hello there. happy friday to you all. michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. so now we've talked about strikes, haven't we.7 for talked about strikes, haven't we? for weeks, months? it feels like years, quite frankly. are we finally at the end of the strike over, the government seems more open these days to talking the unions seem more open these days to pressing pause an end in pause on strike is an end in sight. and what do you reckon to the amounts being offered? reasonable, fair or nowhere near enough? your thoughts on that and what do you think when it comes to the war in ukraine? how involved should the uk be getting some slovakia and poland

now sending fighter jets over there? should we follow suit or are you more in the camp, which is whoa, that's how i come. we just please accelerate the peace talks. what say you? and if you are a criminal, especially the absolute kind of disgusting type thatis absolute kind of disgusting type that is a serial killer, should you be allowed the privilege to get married in jail? absolutely not, is what i say. levi bellfield is the man i'm talking about that is what he wants to happen. we the taxpayer, will be picking up the bill for his legal aid to try and fight for his right to wed . really? what his right to wed. really? what do say to that? oh, god, it do you say to that? oh, god, it makes me furious. it's so. it does. and mother's day this weekend, you know, this rate, we're not careful. we might end up just parent up actually just saying parent day charity day we're oxfam charity a issuing kind of include issuing that kind of include safe style guides and all the rest of it honestly sometimes i think the world is going mad speaking of your mom, by the way, do you ever take advice from her? apparently, most of us do not. we only start do not. we only really start listening moms. listening to our moms. apparently, when raised apparently, when we're raised about moms always know

about 26, the moms always know best, not your thoughts on best, oh, not your thoughts on all the above. but first, all of the above. but first, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headunes. speed with tonight's latest headlines . michelle, thank you headlines. michelle, thank you and good evening. your top story this evening on gb news is the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant against the russian president. it's accusing vladimir putin of war crimes against ukraine, including the unlawful deportation of children from ukraine to russia . the kremlin ukraine to russia. the kremlin has described the claims as outrageous and says it doesn't recognise the jurisdiction of the icc, while the icc is president. peter hoffman believes there are strong grounds for arrest. believes there are strong grounds for arrest . the believes there are strong grounds for arrest. the judges have reviewed the information and evidence submitted by the prosecutor and determined that there are credible allegations against these persons for the alleged crimes the icc is doing

its part of work as a court of law . the judges issued arrest law. the judges issued arrest warrants there . execution warrants there. execution depends on international cooperation . deputy prime cooperation. deputy prime minister dominic raab says russia must be held accountable to the historic moment in the conflict in ukraine. the international criminal court, which operates independently, has issued an indictment for president putin and the children's commission commissioner for appalling crimes against children . and crimes against children. and whilst they operate independently , it's really independently, it's really important the international community support them and give them tools to do the job, them the tools to do the job, which is why i'll be hosting on monday with my dutch opposite number, countries from around number, 40 countries from around the world them the to world give them the support to conduct the investigations, to look after witnesses, for the for witnesses, to care for the for the so that they can see the victims so that they can see this through. and we hope, have accountability for those appalling . ukrainian mp appalling crimes. ukrainian mp andrea sacha told us he has no doubt putin will end up behind

bars. we know about thousands of cases of ukrainian kids falsely deported from ukraine to the territory of russian federation . in fact, by doing this, they want to replace native ukrainian population with russian population with russian population . the history of population. the history of international justice is saying that usually takes a long time to bring people like putin to accountability. so that's why i don't have any doubt that putin or no major will be sitting in prison . meanwhile, china's prison. meanwhile, china's president will hold strategic cooperation talks with president putin next week. beijing and moscow struck a no limits partnership shortly before russia invaded ukraine. western countries have warned beijing against supplying moscow with weapons, but china has denied such plans, criticising western weapons supplies to ukraine. in other news , a couple has been other news, a couple has been convicted for their role in the death of a 15 month old baby .

death of a 15 month old baby. jacob lennon's mother, louise , jacob lennon's mother, louise, was found guilty of neglect and allowing the death of a child . allowing the death of a child. while 33 year old jacob drummond was found guilty of abuse with intent to harm . a post—mortem intent to harm. a post—mortem found the cause of death was a brain injury . found the cause of death was a brain injury. they'll be sentenced on the 24th of april . sentenced on the 24th of april. police constable mary allan bentley smith will keep her job despite being found guilty for attacking a former aston villa football player with a taser and a baton . former striker dalian a baton. former striker dalian atkinson died after being kicked at least twice in the head by another officer, benjamin monk, who's been jailed for eight years for manslaughter. miss batley smith was cleared of assaulting mr. atkinson after a trial, but the independent office for police conduct found there was a gross misconduct disciplinary case to answer for how you force . and the prince how you force. and the prince and princess of wales have been celebrating st patrick's day with the irish guards. kate and

william have attended the st patrick's day parade in aldershot . it's kate's very aldershot. it's kate's very first time at the parade as colonel of the regiment. the royal couple also met with past members of the irish guards . tv members of the irish guards. tv onune members of the irish guards. tv online and abbey, plus the radio . this is a gb news that was back to . back to. michelle thanks for that, tatiana. what i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me. my friday favourites. your friday favourites as well. it seems people always love it when these guys on alex dean a guys are on alex dean is a political consultant and paul embery fireman writer and embery the fireman writer and broadcaster. good evening. good evening. it when evening. seem to love it when you're wrong, not least because i know it's friday. then i'm up means it's the weekend coming soon. wait waiting us soon. you wait waiting for us just are other ways just so there are other ways of knowing. i'm very knowing. it's friday. i'm very flattered, okay i say flattered, but. okay i say anyway, you know the drill,

don't you? it's not just about us it's very much about us three. it's very much about you guys home. what's on your you guys at home. what's on your mind can get in mind tonight? you can get in touch me all the usual ways touch with me all the usual ways . gbviews@gbnews.uk is how you can reach on email or twitter can reach me on email or twitter if more thing at gb if that's more your thing at gb news before i kick off the show, if you will indulge me there, i would like to just press pause for a second just to pay a tribute, actually, to someone who, very sadly, we found out, had passed away. we got the news today. she passed away last night. and it was a lady that i have so much admiration for. and respects a lady that many of you might be familiar with. she was a huge champion of women in business c of and sonmez a shop. which one of you one or two of you might have indulged in a couple of the parties? if anyone's up into answer was anyone's up into an answer was passing, will know just how passing, you will know just how much fun when all of those passes went on always passes what went on always stayed the passes, didn't it? stayed in the passes, didn't it? but just such a huge but she was just such a huge inspiration i told her inspiration to me. as i told her often, was kind, came often, she was very kind, came over and did an interview with

me not long after we launched, actually , she was also granted actually, she was also granted a cbe . she was just so talented cbe. she was just so talented and just so, so lovely. let's have a little listen to a chat that we had on this very show back in june 2021. if you've got a view of this uncertain has lost confidence in himself doesn't know what to do next with their lives. what one piece of advice would you give to them? you know, people are making changes in their life. and i think that is important. you know, i think if you're in a negative relationship or a job where perhaps you don't share the same values or you've got this great idea you've always wanted to do, then i think this is a good time to go for it. you know, i think it's an opportunity. i see lockdown as being an opportunity here. and i think also for me, covid is taught us, you never know what's around the corner. no, you never know. we can have all of these plans and all of these ideas and we're going to sell. we'll do it tomorrow. do it the next

tomorrow. we'll do it the next week. nothing is week. but nothing tomorrow is never really guaranteed. is a jacqueline goals i could sit and talk to you i could i could sit and talk you all night. but and talk to you all night. but unfortunately, that is i've unfortunately, that is all i've got you very got time for. thank you very much, jacqueline . and i could much, jacqueline. and i could have talked to her all night long. she was honestly such a lovely lady. i highly recommend reading her book, her autobiography. it's just so inspiration all. and as we were just saying, now you never know what's around the corner. tomorrow is never, ever guaranteed . so jacqueline, i do guaranteed. so jacqueline, i do hope that you rest in peace right ? the show does go on and right? the show does go on and with that in mind, there's so much we could have got into tonight. the strike, so i think is where we will start our programme. we've had weeks, haven't we? we've had months them. feels like years and them. it feels like years and years and years. sometimes it feels lifetime, but it feels like a lifetime, but it also feels perhaps like the end is in sight and it chess staff now they are apparently getting up to an 18% pay rise . it

up to an 18% pay rise. it depends obviously what their starting point is, of course, but some of the other strikes as well, we've seen firefighters pull . they have agreed to kind pull. they have agreed to kind of talks, etc. and offers teachers is the end of the strikes season sight, do you think? well, certainly in terms of the firefighters strike, which obviously is relevant to me because it's my profession, that strike has been averted as a result of an improvement in the offer by the by the national fire service. employers and that was directly that came about directly as a result of an overwhelming strike by that fire fighters delivered just a few weeks ago really focussed the minds of the employers and make them realise that we've got to come up with something more. so i think what it tells us really, michel, is despite people within the conservative government and anti strike, people in the media saying strike action never works, you know, it's disruptive that would never achieve anything. the truth is that it often does it often does force employers governments to

employers and governments to move when they otherwise wouldn't do i think we wouldn't do so. and i think we are seeing some movement on the part of the government where they have influence and employers as well as a result of strike action . and that's a good strike action. and that's a good thing. and these things are always settled by negotiation and compromise. side ever and compromise. no side ever gets it wants. we the gets what it wants. we in the for you fire brigades union didn't get everything we wanted by stretch the by any stretch of the imagination. bigger imagination. i guess the bigger question is why was necessary question is why was it necessary for unions and workers to feel that they had to take strike action in the first place when it was quite obvious to everybody that real wages were falling seriously still falling quite seriously still are falling quite seriously that there is something sick with our economy in terms of, you know, fundamental wealth and income inequality and that should have been addressed. it should have been addressed. it should have been addressed. it should have been addressed a long time ago. so the government, some cases so the government, in some cases is late to party, but is a bit late to the party, but better than never. the better late than never. the neven better late than never. the never. think seen never. do you think we've seen the i certainly hope so. the end? i certainly hope so. and think most people in the and i think most people in the country will hope so. i think it makes it rather difficult for

those who are still those people who are still conducting action conducting industrial action because, the because, look, conducting the withdrawal labour. withdrawal of their labour. i note the medical unions note that the medical unions have in principle agreed that an uplift of circa 2% on average to the 3.5 that was already on the table is enough to go back to work. makes the bma request of 35% uplift for the junior doctors seem rather extreme in anyone's view. so i think they're going to have difficulty. i just wanted to pick up on what paul said because it's because i'm a conservative. it's because i believe in freedom under the law and the freedom of the individual that i believe in people's to their people's right to withdraw their laboun people's right to withdraw their labour. and people very labour. and i think people very easily themselves with easily mislead themselves with caricatures. sometimes in politics. but on the other hand, whilst i accept many people with through their labour for the reasons paul was saying others, it's me did so it's very clear to me did so because saw a political because they saw a political opportunity talking opportunity and i'm talking about mclennan's of this about the mclennan's of this world like to bang the table world who like to bang the table and and i paraphrase what he

and say and i paraphrase what he said, doesn't matter said, he said it doesn't matter which it is, you've which which strike it is, you've got it. you know, got to support it. you know, everybody out. and when you get to that kind of position, when you're the you're perilously close to the kind strike territory kind of general strike territory that michelle, that's you that michelle, that's when you find that people are doing things for party political reasons reasons. reasons and partisan reasons. i'm saying paul that or i'm not saying paul did that or his did, but i'm saying his union did, but i'm saying there certainly there was certainly more than a whiff about, well, whiff of that about, well, i accidentally i grant you that i found myself in the middle of the protest on wednesday. i was trying hand. have your trying my hand. you have your placard? no i was trying to actually get to doncaster to do the the picket the work, crossing the picket line well, the line out and. well, no, the protest going way and protest was going this way and i was trying to get it and was trying to get through it and go that way. and i ran against the side. i was, i was and i was thinking, cool. i wonder if anyone recognise me gb news anyone recognise me or gb news what saying that one strike what i'm saying that one strike and it, but and all the rest of it, but anyway, i was quite surprised at how placards were saying how many placards were saying like tory scum tories out and there was quant, there was like a huge sentiment that was anti tory. do you think that's fair ?

tory. do you think that's fair? because do you look at this and think actually this is a tory issue or not? well, let me tell you how it works. i've been involved on the left for many, many and what happens many years. and what happens whenever they strike action , whenever they strike action, which is getting quite a bit of media coverage, you will always get various kind of disparate, far left groups who hitch their wagons to that particular strike, will turn up on the picket line, will dish out their placards saying tory, scum and tory and all the rest of it tories out. but these people are usually not representative, certainly not of the wider left more broadly, and certainly not representative of the people taking strike action. so i wouldn't necessarily read too much into the placards that are being waved by the people on the picket lines. i mean, in terms of alex's point, look, i mean, the rmt isn't even affiliated to the rmt isn't even affiliated to the labour party, so i reject the labour party, so i reject the idea that it's a party. but within the rmt he has over the recent years been a very critical voice against the labour party . the rmt has been labour party. the rmt has been on strike under labour

governments, the fire brigades union. i've been on strike on the labour government, so i don't accept that. it's purely about tories are in, about look, the tories are in, let's hold a strike because we want get rid of them when want to get rid of them when they've on strike under they've been on strike under labour governments as well. i also don't accept, by way, also don't accept, by the way, the majority people the vast majority of people and i'm saying i'm not saying you were saying this, but i don't believe the vast majority of people who are taking strike at the taking strike action at the moment doing so because they moment are doing so because they have political designs. have any political designs. i met i didn't met the leadership. i didn't mean that because mean to accept that because these disputes don't come out of a clear blue sky. they are a direct consequence of the economic landscape in which people are finding themselves . people are finding themselves. you biggest squeeze you know, the biggest squeeze on workers napoleonic you know, the biggest squeeze on worke falling napoleonic you know, the biggest squeeze on worke falling real napoleonic you know, the biggest squeeze on worke falling real wages,oleonic times falling real wages, crushing living standards. and so on. is no surprise that so on. so it is no surprise that in those circumstances you will get more and more people willing to say, i'm not going to pop this anymore. i'm suffering financially. the economy isn't working for me. i'm prepared to take strike action in order to try to rectify the problems that i'm facing the moment. that's i'm facing at the moment. that's the why people are the reality of why people are

taking action. the issue of cost of is apparent, i think, of living is apparent, i think, to of so if i do what's to all of us. so if i do what's interesting and pick on to the point between us, point of dispute between us, i think and i aren't quite on think paul and i aren't quite on the same page about the rhetoric. i, of course, accept that people who are motivated enough and hold enough to go on a rally and hold up placard almost by up a placard are almost by definition representative of definition not representative of the population, the broader voting population, because of don't. but because most of us don't. but for or worse, that would for better or worse, that would be better if we did all all go out and voice our political views the street. but most views in the street. but most people so i accept your people don't. so i accept your premise most aren't premise that most people aren't as driven as that. but the as as driven as that. but the tendency to call tories evil, the tendency to say, you know, tories are scum, never kissed a tory in their bio. tories are hate tories that general is a far more prevalent thing on the left than it is on the right. you don't. i mean, the people on the right tend to think the people on the left are mistake and or or are under a misapprehension about how the world works are perhaps naive and may because if those things lead to bad government, we don't

think they're evil. and the reverse is not the case. so there is an asymmetry that i think is broader than a small group that paul was talking. i think that's fair, actually. i think that's fair, actually. i think that's fair, actually. i think that's a reasonable point. i arguments with i often have arguments with people on the left who think they are when to the they are when it comes to the politics. i think they are inherently better people than people on other side of the people on the other side of the argument actually they argument and often actually they are people i would not particularly associate particularly want to associate with personal with on a on a personal level, because themselves because they themselves are dnven driven by nastiness and unpleasantness and sectarianism. say something fair to paul. the people who that tend not to people who do that tend not to be the old left actually , who be the old left actually, who don't mind a political danger on the they go the issues. and they might go into government , the issues. and they might go into government, come out of government, or sit in opposition into government, come out of govedo nent, or sit in opposition into government, come out of govedo their or sit in opposition into government, come out of govedo their bestt in opposition into government, come out of govedo their best as] opposition into government, come out of govedo their best as a)pposition into government, come out of govedo their best as a loyal tion and do their best as a loyal opposition. most extreme in and do their best as a loyal opp modern most extreme in and do their best as a loyal opp modern agemost extreme in and do their best as a loyal opp modern age tend extreme in and do their best as a loyal opp modern age tend to treme in and do their best as a loyal opp modern age tend to be ne in and do their best as a loyal opp modern age tend to be a in and do their best as a loyal opp modern age tend to be a kind the modern age tend to be a kind of new left liberal movement who regard themselves as so tolerant that they cannot tolerate any other perspective. i find that hilarious. and by the way, a lot of this comes from the very top. by of this comes from the very top. by the way, because everyone i'm sure will remember. angela rayner when was going. rayner rants when she was going. i apoplectic with

i mean she was apoplectic with rage going on rage almost going on about goldman racist and the goldman and racist and all the rest it. but continues rest of it. but continues michelle and saw the thing michelle and we saw the thing with powell, the labour with lucy powell, the labour frontbench year where she frontbench last year where she was shirt, never was wearing the t shirt, never kissing. no, that's kissing. yeah, no, that's student i think that kissing. yeah, no, that's stuc no: i think that kissing. yeah, no, that's stucno place i think that kissing. yeah, no, that's stucno place in i think that kissing. yeah, no, that's stucno place in mainstream adult has no place in mainstream adult grown up parliamentary politics. but is for the labour but the point is for the labour party, are serious about party, if they are serious about forming government, they have forming a government, they have to voters. they have to to win tory voters. they have to win red wall voters who have gone to the tories and people outside wall who outside of the red wall who currently vote tory they've currently vote tory and they've got hearts and got to win their hearts and minds. and you're not going to do that calling tories scum do that by calling tories scum or saying that would or by saying that you would never people in the never kiss one if people in the red, and elsewhere have red, blue and elsewhere who have decided to vote tory see the labour party referring to them because they will infer that they're talking about them in those of derogatory those sorts of derogatory terms. it's they they will it's no wonder they they will say sorry , i'm not going to be say sorry, i'm not going to be casting hot ballot for you. that seems to me pretty obvious. and i think you see on social media, don't you? because you get i mean, that uses twitter mean, anyone that uses twitter will abuse at will probably be an abuse at some point in lives. some point in their lives. and it always me laugh when

it always makes me laugh when you this abuse you you get all this abuse and you click on the profile she was doing and it always says hashtag be, kind. what really be, be kind. what you really mean become. everyone mean is become. and to everyone that agree with and heaven that you agree with and heaven forbid dare come across forbid you dare come across someone with. someone that you disagree with. well, all bets are off. you can do what you want with that. that's right. and some of that vitriol, by the way, is reserved for other people on left, for other people on the left, which left on left hostility. which is left on left hostility. and the most left and it's the most dogged left person doesn't think that person who doesn't think that the in words, blairite the the in their words, blairite the person should f off and join person who should f off and join the tories, doesn't think they're sound enough. you know, if someone to f off and if you tell someone to f off and join tories long enough join the tories long enough sometime one of my sometime as they do, one of my viewers, is stephen, has viewers, which is stephen, has just been touch saying, just been in touch saying, michelle, missing michelle, i think you're missing the are many working the point. you are many working people already people in a union already inverts they are inverts all raise. they are tories not union member, he tories not ever union member, he says, labour. you of says, is labour. you are of course, right , tony says. can course, right, tony says. can you ask panel what the you ask the panel what the strikes have happened? if labour were in government, and do they think a better offer think they'd get a better offer under labour then tory, do you reckon this would have all happened were happened if labour were in

charge? paul yeah, i think they probably would have done. i probably would have done. as i said, known action, said, i've known strike action, i've been on strike under a labour you have labour government. you only have to the so—called winter to think of the so—called winter of in the late of discontent in the late seventies to see that unions are not to take on labour not reluctant to take on labour governments when they feel that it's do so. yes, i it's necessary to do so. yes, i think strikes it's think this strikes what it's taken i they would taken place. i think they would have in most cases been have largely in most cases been settled better settled quicker with better offers. that's my view . i think offers. that's my view. i think there would have been some strike, but it would have depended the timing the depended on the timing and the political starmer political cycle. if keir starmer , for argument's had just , for argument's sake, had just got there would , for argument's sake, had just got been there would , for argument's sake, had just got been a there would , for argument's sake, had just got been a debate there would , for argument's sake, had just got been a debate within would , for argument's sake, had just got been a debate within thejld have been a debate within the union the one hand, union movement. on the one hand, we should back off a bit and let them have bit of space. in a them have a bit of space. in a way, some unionists would have thought union leaders thought that some union leaders would have thought anyway. would have thought that anyway. they think about they certainly don't think about the would have the tories and others would have said, we've real said, finally, we've got a real opportunity to capitalise. now is is the time. is the time. now is the time. the point can have both the point is you can have both of pressures at once. just of those pressures at once. just as to take paul's point about the don't to be the rmt, you don't have to be pro—labor or to be anti tory. you know, there were some people in fa in the militant aspect

in the fa in the militant aspect of the movement who of the union movement who basically none the current basically none of the current political leadership satisfied them. they thought corbyn was a bit yeah, let's not bit soft. yeah, and let's not forget the way, that of forget by the way, that one of the reasons we have the economic situation have is situation that we have now is because of of the prolonged because of all of the prolonged lockdown ridiculousness. and let's that labour let's not forget that labour were uncomfortable with were very uncomfortable with bofis were very uncomfortable with boris lifting the boris johnson lifting the regulations at the pace in which he did. so perhaps if they have something them a lot of something in them or a lot of unions. yeah. so we'll yeah. you saw what the unions did with schools, example. so yes, schools, for example. so yes, i think the short answer think is the short answer to your that says your question that paul says using members of public as human shields throughout these negotiations as being fiscal sting. i have to say the strike action is something that very much divides you guys at home. keep thoughts coming in. keep your thoughts coming in. whichever the fence whichever side of the fence you are you seen the are on now. have you seen the news today that vladimir putin has been issued with an arrest warrant for war crimes? i mean , warrant for war crimes? i mean, does not have any traction? do you actually ever think that that happen? give me that will happen? give me results. but also slovakia now has joined poland in sending fighter to ukraine. should

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hello there i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. the two men i'm trying to educate in the joys of ann summers parties in the break there, alex dean, political consultant, and paul embery, the fireman, writer and broadcaster. so much fun. so much fun . and if any ladies are much fun. and if any ladies are out there that i've been to an on summer's party, you'll know exactly what i mean. anyway, let's move on. you don't need to blush, paul . we're all adults blush, paul. we're all adults here way , right? so did the here way, right? so did the international criminal court in the hague has issued arrest warrants russian warrants for the russian president putin of alleged war crimes. i've got to say, i mean, how much you know, how much this is worth its weight in paper? some people are saying it's absolutely not at all. the

kremlin, of course, have responded, saying that the arrest warrant had no significance was significance whatsoever and was basically ridiculous anyway , basically ridiculous anyway, moving on as well. slovakia has also joined poland. you might have seen this in providing fighterjets have seen this in providing fighter jets to ukraine have seen this in providing fighterjets to ukraine pick which every angle you want. well, in fact, let's do both. you know what? let's do birth. first and foremost is putin. the war crimes thing. do you ever think that something could happen? do you think he'll get arrested off the back of it? i doubt very much he will have a face justice absent some kind of popular russia, popular uprising in russia, which unlikely popular uprising in russia, which past unlikely popular uprising in russia, which past . unlikely popular uprising in russia, which past . although unlikely popular uprising in russia, which past . although pastlikely given past. although past performance is no guarantee of future returns, it seems that in russia there just isn't the ability to rise up or will or combination of the two in a way that would be required for to putin be out of power and facing charges. but i don't agree with you that it means nothing apart from anything else . we have from anything else. we have always thought, i think , that it always thought, i think, that it will be very difficult, much harder some people think harder than some people think for the for russia to re—enter the nation. the community of nations

and to be trading again and enter into new agreements with other countries. but former ties is that for as long as putin is, there, that they are led by someone who faces alleged war crimes and it hastens amongst may the larger body of russian leadership a desire for a post putin age . because if you want putin age. because if you want to move on from this conflict in ukraine, if you want to restore russia to something approaching normality international normality in international relations , then thought relations, then we've thought for you're going to for some time you're going to need to not putin there. need to not have putin there. but now, if he's facing war crimes in hague, crimes in the hague, you definitely think definitely do. so i don't think it don't think it didn't mean it i don't think it didn't mean it i don't think it didn't mean it doesn't anything. but do it doesn't mean anything. but do you will care? you think china will care? because i just think these kind of things probably should be closer in tibet with china. that's biggest that's probably the biggest single we've known that's probably the biggest sin�*some we've known that's probably the biggest sin�*some putin'se've known that's probably the biggest sin�*some putin's not known that's probably the biggest sin�*some putin's not going] for some time putin's not going to going tour of to be going on a tour of european capitals any time outside going outside of belarus. he's going to around european to be going around european countries anytime soon. but we talk we cut russia off talk as if we cut russia off from world with the from the world with the sanctions regimes that are in place. haven't. cut place. and we haven't. we've cut him the western world

him off from the western world and decision will be and the chinese decision will be the what the largest single one. and what happens china is going to happens next? china is going to have decide, does wish to have to decide, does it wish to pursue a path of kind of creative ambiguity and creative neutrality, trying to play both sides or to choose one? my instinct is they'll still keep on trying to have the best of both worlds for as long as they can. and let's not forget, was china the day, wasn't it? china the other day, wasn't it? we out a peace plan we came out with a peace plan that a few people. that surprised a few people. paul that surprised a few people. paul, where do you stand on that? i mean, i have no particular problem with our arming defend arming ukraine to defend itself against a against what is unquestionably a barbaric invasion. oh one about the fighter jet power. yeah, yeah, terms of in terms yeah, yeah. in terms of in terms of giving the arms necessary to ukraine, my concern is it never seems to be accompanied by any proposal since this this aspect of the war has been taking place now for over a year. it never seems to be accompanied by any serious proposals for peace with anyone with influence in the west, saying , okay, of course west, saying, okay, of course the invasion is wrong of course

we need to allow to ukraine defend itself. but the long term or even medium term or even short term strategy needs to be how do we bring about a ceasefire? because there are thousands of people, men , women thousands of people, men, women and children being slaughtered . and children being slaughtered. how get a lasting peace ? how do we get a lasting peace? what will those proposals and i know it's not the west china did it. i didn't. china did it. and what i found really interesting and i'm no great supporter of the chinese regime, what the chinese regime, but what i found interesting is that zelenskyy himself initially he welcomed the chinese proposals. i certainly said that he was prepared to speak to the strings about them and putin, as you might expect, also said something similar. but it seems to me that the biden and the uk and others pooh poohed it and effectively said, well , no, effectively said, well, no, you're not going to have any part of it. now why? if the two leaders themselves , who are the leaders themselves, who are the main belligerents in the conflict, are prepared to say, look , this is something possibly look, this is something possibly we can work with, you may have come to nothing, that this is

something possibly we can work with. will they still who are we? are we to say this won't we? who are we to say this won't work, we're going to overrule you effectively. this is you effectively. and this is even going to get off the ground. i'm not sure anyone in the is overruled. so the west is overruled. so let's zelensky's is zelensky's popularity is sky high and if he wants high in the west and if he wants to go conference to go to a conference coordinated by the chinese, i don't think anyone in the western world it will have the political to stop him. but political clout to stop him. but the think the bigger question, i think i doubt that that would succeed. but entitled give it but he's entitled to give it a go. one word for the west saying that britain's record on this stuff is actually the post stuff is actually in the post war a pretty solid whatever war era, a pretty solid whatever you conflict, you think of the conflict, concerned played up concerned and how they played up britain was one of the guarantor powers in cyprus. was paddy powers in cyprus. it was paddy ashdown in his as as ashdown in his role as as representative to former yugoslavia that played a part in seeking to stitch together the post—conflict environments on european doorstep . and i think european doorstep. and i think that , i european doorstep. and i think that, i hope that our country has something to offer in that too. but for the time being, i would say we've got to support ukraine in the conflict. so does that mean sending fighter jets

then ? i would i would as long as then? i would i would as long as they're not mixing my metaphors, they're not mixing my metaphors, they're not mixing my metaphors, they're not white elephants, as long as they're not actually unhelpful. right. because it seems that the jets seems to me that the jets produced by and owned by britain, whilst relatively small in which one point, in number, which is one point, are also not the kind of jets that any ukrainian pilot has been trained on. and if a better british contribution in this example is a cash equivalent such that they can fly migs or whatever is coming out of france and germany so that their pilots are better able to fly those planes, then i'd be open to that too. but you're also the principal? yes. do you have any concern about escalation? retaliation well, not for supplying munitions and materiel . if that was going to happen, i think we will. we? well know. but i think i still think we're well past. that's a difference in potentially a difference in magnitude, but it's not a difference principle difference in principle from what doing. what we've been doing. differences be would differences now would be would be different kind of be of a different kind of involvement. and it's the americans closest americans who've come closest with drone that

with that. would that drone that had to had the ditch itself having been whacked by russian having been whacked by a russian jet. to that very jet. i'm just going to that very point, actually. i mean, look, history tells that conflicts history tells us that conflicts can off when people can often kick off when people are and are least expecting them. and sometimes takes a spark sometimes it takes a spark that no one was anticipating. and i said on the program, michel, a few weeks ago that, you know, few weeks ago that, you know, few people . in 1914 when what few people. in 1914 when what happenedin few people. in 1914 when what happened in sarajevo , sarajevo happened in sarajevo, sarajevo in terms of the assassination of archduke franz ferdinand, would have predicted just before that happened that within just a few weeks, the whole of europe was going involved in one of going to be involved in one of the most dramatic and biggest wars all time, in which wars of all time, in which thousands their that thousands lost their lives that almost came out of nowhere. and i think people are not kind of understanding history when they think that that kind of thing cannot happen again. what we're seeing, i think, is the world kind of dividing again into these big competing blocs and sometimes all it takes is that particular spark for the whole thing to kick off. now the drone thing to kick off. now the drone thing i think was very worrying

. i think, you know, biden stand in in poland, which was obviously a former eastern bloc country, just a few weeks ago. and sabre rattling and at the same time , on the same day, same time, on the same day, putin withdraw in russia from a nuclear treaty. all of these things , they've got the capacity things, they've got the capacity to grow all of these things have got the capacity to ignite the situation, to inflame the situation, to inflame the situation even worse. and i just think it's very, very complex . think it's very, very complex. so just assume as i think lots of people out there are doing that, we can just continually supply ukraine with more and more arms, not make any kind of effort to establish any sort of peace plan and just think nothing's going to come of that. don't worry, this won't kick off any greater. it will be contained within ukraine. you can bet your life on it. i don't think we can bet that. i've think we can bet on that. i've got people in my inbox got a few people in my inbox saying if an arrest saying if there's an arrest warrant for anyone for war warrant out for anyone for war crimes, it should tony blair crimes, it should be tony blair that sentiment that's that is a sentiment that's coming thick and fast in coming through thick and fast in my tonight. i can tell you my inbox tonight. i can tell you that bannon says, michelle, we

should shoulder to should have been shoulder to shoulder given shoulder with ukraine, given them whatever they needed from them whatever they needed from the very beginning. sean's says, michelle, we should be in there with the ss. we should get a hold of putin ourselves and drag him before the icc . there's lots him before the icc. there's lots of divided opinions here in terms of how involved we should be, whose war this is, and i'm sure you will keep your thoughts coming. richard says no , no, no. coming. richard says no, no, no. and quite a few no's, actually, when it comes to sending planes. if you if you don't think that the arrest warrants are worth the arrest warrants are worth the paper, they're written on boats that isn't stopping you calling for them for tony blair and you extending that to . and you extending that to. president bush as well . keep president bush as well. keep your thoughts coming in on that one. i'll have some of your responses a couple of minutes. but also i want you to ponder this, if you will. do you think but also i want you to ponder tiserial'ou will. do you think but also i want you to ponder tiserial killerll. do you think but also i want you to ponder tiserial killer should ou think but also i want you to ponder tiserial killer should be think a serial killer should be allowed to get married in jail? i do not. i'm talking about levi bellfield. so i'll see into .

bellfield. so i'll see into. what

alex dean. the political consulting and paul embry, fireman , writer and broadcaster. fireman, writer and broadcaster. welcome everybody. still divided opinion on the ukraine situation as to whether or not we should send fighter jets over the 5050. i'd say you all are still you're all writing in to tell me that it is turning blair that you would like to see an arrest warrant issued for war crimes as opposed to. well, not as opposed to putin. i don't think you're saying. as opposed to boots. and i think you're saying in addition, you would like to see one of those warrants out for tony and it would keep tony blair and it would keep results in. let me talk results coming in. let me talk to now about to you, though, now about prisoners. the name prisoners. do you know the name levi does that mean levi bellfield? does that mean anything you? he's a serial anything to you? he's a serial killer, of course, that killed,

among milly now among others, milly dowler. now he's in prison, multiple life sentences , quite frankly, and he sentences, quite frankly, and he wants to get married. i mean , wants to get married. i mean, the fact that somebody would actually want to marry levi. levi bellfield in the first place is something that confuses me. no end. why on earth would anyone sit there and go , oh, anyone sit there and go, oh, yeah, i know the man for me is that fellow that was raped and murdered multiple times. yeah, great. sounds like a winner anywhere . that aside, do you anywhere. that aside, do you think that someone like levi bellfield should be able to get married in prison ? paul? no, married in prison? paul? no, i thought about this and we had a debate on the show recently where we talked about prisoners should be entitled to paid work and you know what should come with that in terms of employment protections and pensions and things like that . and i was in things like that. and i was in favour of that because it seems to me that you're actually contributing to wider society when do that as well as kind when you do that as well as kind of doing something that well of doing something that may well reintegrate back into reintegrate you back into society and give you the skills necessary you to get job

necessary for you to get a job again in outside world. i again in the outside world. i think the issue of is think the issue of marriage is very actually, because think the issue of marriage is ve strikes actually, because think the issue of marriage is ve strikes that|ally, because think the issue of marriage is vestrikes that marriageiuse think the issue of marriage is vestrikes that marriage is.e it strikes me that marriage is one of those privileges that is are are associated specifically with being a free person in a free society outside walls of a prison . and when you commit prison. and when you commit a crime in your incarcerated, obviously you lose your freedoms. and i think that you should lose certainly liberties with that. and it seems to me that marriage is probably one of those that it's fair to say actually, you can't do that when you're prison. think there you're in prison. i think there are probably some exceptional circumstances for. example with the prisoner himself or herself is suffering from a terminal illness , or if the if their illness, or if the if their partner is suffering from a terminal illness. so what would that make if you're not that make you if you're not coming of prison anywhere? coming out of prison anywhere? for why would it matter for example, why would it matter if prison? if you're about to prison? i think an argument to say think there's an argument to say that purely on compassionate grounds, bit the grounds, if somebody bit the prisoner partner is prisoner all the partner is about die , then i think it about to die, then i think it would be quite callous to say ,

would be quite callous to say, evenin would be quite callous to say, even in these circumstances , even in these circumstances, we're not going to allow you to tie the knot. i know you have a nice time on that mic. well i know you're hard liner on this, michel, but minute you start torturing kids. murdering people. i'm really sorry, but any rights of compassion went out the window. at the moment, you start behaving like that's a not does not wash with not for me does not wash with me. you're a nice man hang on. i'm flogging merchant, aren't you? know, i just think you? yeah you know, i just think at of day, if you at the end of the day, if you want your human rights to be respected, it's very simple. respect of respect the human rights of others. you don't have others. and if you don't have that actually you that within you and actually you want trample over want to trample all over the human rights people. human rights of other people. well, you know what? you reap what sow. okay, maybe should what you sow. okay, maybe should be a prison governor, when what you sow. okay, maybe should be imessingsovernor, when what you sow. okay, maybe should be (messing aroundr, when what you sow. okay, maybe should be (messing aroundr, wblog, i'm messing around on my blog, you would definitely be category, you, wouldn't it? category, are you, wouldn't it? i messing around. i have no messing around. i don't be don't think you should be a prison governor. michel. why is your referred to marriage your face referred to marriage as privilege, a privilege as a privilege, not a privilege for of us, as long as for the rest of us, as long as we adults and freely consenting and not already married to somebody you are somebody else. so if you are going to change the law such

that some can't get that some people can't get married, then you should put it through commons and through the house of commons and then the house lords then through the house of lords passing a saying so. rather then through the house of lords passisimply saying so. rather then through the house of lords passisimply saying|g so. rather then through the house of lords passisimply saying that. rather then through the house of lords passisimply saying that people than simply saying that people from some regulatory perspective , i say this because i respect and believe in the rule of law which is there to protect . hang which is there to protect. hang on. it's there to protect all of us if got if you've us if you've got if you've passed the law, preferably in a manifesto a party that wins manifesto from a party that wins a a law a majority, if you pass a law that through parliament that goes through parliament that goes through parliament that says this, then i've got no trouble with position, trouble with your position, given that we given the freedoms that we curtail people to curtail of people who go to prison se, paul has prison per se, as paul has rightly but your rightly outlined. but your position michel, seems to me to position, michel, seems to me to be wholly wrong because you can curtail somebody's fundamental be wholly wrong because you can curtail somethisr's fundamental be wholly wrong because you can curtail somethis countryimental be wholly wrong because you can curtail somethis country ,nental be wholly wrong because you can curtail somethis country , and al be wholly wrong because you can curtail somethis country , and to freedoms in this country, and to you you can test that the curtailment of their freedom in two ways. the first is to legislate and the second is through cases being brought to the i knew it was the court. i knew it. it was certainly patrick earlier, and i assume to don't a assume you to don't want a prisoner to that ability prisoner to have that ability ehhen prisoner to have that ability either. want him to be either. you don't want him to be able to conduct judicial review or your case to the court or take your case to the court of european human rights, to

which are still subject. which we are still subject. well, that's your view, if well, if that's your view, if you bother having a lawyer? you why bother having a lawyer? why bother letting them have a lawyer for judicial review? then why bother letting them have a lawy botherudicial review? then why bother letting them have a lawy bother letting review? then why bother letting them have a lawy bother letting them'? then why bother letting them have a lawy bother letting them haveen why bother letting them have a lawyer appeals? why lawyer for appeals? then why bother them lawyer bother letting them a lawyer for trials? we have trials? then why we don't have trials? then why we don't have trials? i would restrict their rights to the absolute minimum and do all the. would and we do curtail all the. would you the lives of you curtail the lives of prisoners? not by prisoners? but not least by locking them a box? of course locking them in a box? of course we that. we don't curtail we do that. we don't curtail their ability go to the law. their ability to go to the law. and what in the and that's what you in the channel have been channel all day have been saying, you shouldn't saying, that you shouldn't be able judicial review able to conduct judicial review ehhen able to conduct judicial review either. where you either. and that's where you lose always going either. and that's where you lorbe always going either. and that's where you lorbe the always going either. and that's where you lorbe the worst always going either. and that's where you lorbe the worst case.3ys going either. and that's where you lorbe the worst case. is; going either. and that's where you lorbe the worst case. is that1g to be the worst case. is that provoke the most outcry when they seek to conduct judicial review one is going to review or no one is going to complain when the nicest person in seeks an appeal or in the world seeks an appeal or judicial it's always judicial review, it's always through cases and therefore through hard cases and therefore it seems me especially not in it seems to me especially not in this case, but especially when it's somebody who's wrongly accused. the case looks very accused. but the case looks very strong against them. those those legal entitle legal rules that entitle somebody to bring an appeal or entitle them to bring a case for judicial review are there to

protect all of us. and when the case looks the worst against you, will need you, that's when you will need help most. and so it's bad help the most. and so it's bad cases provoke this cases that always provoke this kind outcry . cases that always provoke this kind outcry. but in end, kind of outcry. but in the end, those rules there to protect those rules are there to protect dominic you start dominic when you start restricting them, you restrict those freedoms for all of those those freedoms for all of us. dominic raab himself, he's trying a new law, for trying to pass a new law, for example, would try and stop example, that would try and stop this thing about this law. but the thing about that, is passed the law that, michel, is passed the law and then person can't get and then the person can't get married. they can't married. don't say they can't get you've the law get before you've passed the law . that for me is a classic example. government overreach, is agree with that? is that do you agree with that? is it ever. i do. i mean, i certainly think the you know, you could be the worst person in the world for all sorts of reasons. but you still have to be granted the fundamental rights terms being able to rights in terms being able to challenge the law are challenge the law that are available every other person available to every other person . and i think i mean, alex was a lawyer. i'm not that i think there's some say in hard cases make bad law or don't think like that and do have to you do have to like freedom of speech. isn't it so similar principle that you have to allow who you

have to allow for people who you fundamental disagree with and whose views you find abhorrent, correct ? if you believe in it, correct? if you believe in it, you've got to make space for those people. and i think it's the same with the people the same with the law. people are challenge the are entitled to challenge the law have access to law and so have access to lawyers to do it on their behalf, even if they might be absolute scumbags more. if absolute scumbags a lot more. if i st myself. if there i bellfield st myself. if there was a free speech for speech you agree with is no speech all agree with is no free speech all and under the law and freedom under the law just for people like is no for people that you like is no freedom the law either . so freedom under the law either. so do you in summary, think do you. so you in summary, think he because the rules are he should? because the rules are the we respect the rules. and we should respect the rules. and we should respect the rules. and we should respect the rules. think he should the rules. you think he should be able to get married this fellow in prison? i mean, i can't imagine who marry can't imagine who wants to marry him, somebody does. but him, but yes, somebody does. but yes, it seems the yes, it seems to me the extension position, extension of your position, michel, you were sort of half jokingly going along with hanging of hanging and there are plenty of people country who do people in this country who do agree death penalty. agree with the death penalty. i happen not to be one of the panel happen not to be one of the panel, but i respect the fact that people do. but we that many people do. but if we were to the death penalty were to have the death penalty carried our prisons carried out in our prisons against duly convicted, against people duly convicted, i would happened after

would prefer it happened after the voted to restore the commons had voted to restore the commons had voted to restore the our statute the death penalty to our statute books than prison books rather than prison governors secretaries governors and home secretaries going oh for their going around saying oh for their heads because fancied it heads because they fancied it wishy liberal. well there wishy washy liberal. well there you heart. do. in you are bleeding heart. i do. in certain cases i would actually be offering be open. i'd be offering for tickets, referendum about bringing capital punishment bringing back capital punishment instead and instances so when it was proved beyond any doubt and i would disagree with you and i would campaign against you and if lost, i would accept the if i lost, i would accept the verdict my fellow men and verdict of my fellow men and women in britain whilst i might lament decision that had lament the decision that we had made country , but at least made as a country, but at least we to debate how we would have had to debate how to vote. and then it would have gone through parliament. none of that happened with debates. that has happened with debates. the discussing the topic we're discussing today, view is today, and therefore my view is different. just different. michael, you just made you said, made me laugh. you said, michelle, break. michelle, give the guy a break. life jail is punishment life in jail is punishment enough him being married enough without him being married as right. your as well. right. keep your thoughts lots more. thoughts coming in. lots more. it's up as well. you it's come up as well. did you see the oxfam, the language inclusion guys? i'll be looking at also some of at that. i'll also have some of your feedback. of on your feedback. lots of you on that one, do you that marriage. one, why do you say. say don't give

say. i absolutely say don't give him any rights. but alex makes a very point, which is that it's not law and if you want to not the law and if you want to live in a society that is governed by decent laws, then they apply to everyone. they need to apply to everyone. even we don't like. even those we don't like. annoying. going to annoying. isn't it going to be your thoughts? gb views that gbnews.uk .

hello there michelle dewberry. keeping company till seven alongside me. i'll stay in the political consultant and paul embery the fireman, writer and broadcaster jubouri arms is officially open. cheers, gentlemen . my favourite part of gentlemen. my favourite part of the week . look how sophisticated the week. look how sophisticated i am with my little plastic prosecco glass. you're not trusted with glassware? i'm not sure. sipper work sometimes my panellist infuriate me so much i will probably launch it and if it's plastic, it wouldn't hurt. so think why we get it. so i think that's why we get it. that's an expensive bollinger. you're the you're trying to play the ordinary person by saying it

down. so i would love i would love next week, if love it. yeah. next week, if anyone wants bring a very anyone wants to bring me a very expensive champagne, be expensive champagne, i'll be right for it's right up for it. but it's definitely. i can confirm. definitely not uninteresting. this part of the show, by the way, is just where we recap on things that have caught our eyes. someone has just emailed it i'm trying to find it. it and i'm trying to find it. i think your name was paul. you've just to say that you just emailed in to say that you completely oh, completely agreed with me. oh, yeah, they paul yeah, they were. paul completely. michele, you are completely right. i think we two guests off on a bad week. they're not straight, they're not thinking straight, he go into prison he says. when you go into prison for wrongdoing, all for wrongdoing, you lose all your rights. done for your rights. well done for standing to the two guys, standing up to the two guys, both i break it to you, both i hate to break it to you, paul both i hate to break it to you, paul. alex is absolutely right and it is very frustrating indeed because alex is saying is if you want to live in a country thatis if you want to live in a country that is governed by law, the law has to apply equally, even to those that we really, those people that we really, really i have to say really despise. i have to say anyway. yeah, it does pay me anyway. so yeah, it does pay me to say it on that particular subject. but i think you're right. thank very much. oxfam. has anyone seen this story

caught my today . it's caught my eye today. it's mother's this weekend , but mother's day this weekend, but we do need to be careful , it we do need to be careful, it seems, days when comes seems, these days when it comes to word and father, to the word mother and father, apparently these have been deemed offensive by deemed potentially offensive by oxfam. charity says . we oxfam. the charity says. we should use the term parents instead . well, i'm a mum. it's instead. well, i'm a mum. it's the most proudest achievement of my life . very, very proud of it. my life. very, very proud of it. i am too . i wouldn't appreciate i am too. i wouldn't appreciate someone calling me a parent in order to not me by calling me a moment . i think it's ridiculous. moment. i think it's ridiculous. paul moment. i think it's ridiculous. paul, why do you stand on? i'll i'll never mind. paul, where do you stand at all? i've just been i've just been distracted. it's glass, everyone. i glass. it's just the first of the day moment . so reflect on that. where is the camera ? look at it. i don't the camera? look at it. i don't know what i'm going to hold out. so if you're listening, not watching can see why i'm watching all you can see why i'm paying. i get that's alex. i won't use that one. you're back saying not one. appreciate it. so you're staying which is so you're staying on which is polar drink. i've got a delicate ladylike soap i think out ladylike soap i think pulls out to alex downed his pine

to alex dean's downed his pine i just the first of the night is always you know, the second dnnk is always you know, the second drink is one of the drink of the day is one of the most important decisions. the first doesn't touch first just doesn't even touch the drink of the day the soft drink of the day is usually for about 9:00 in usually for him about 9:00 in the morning steady pool was my first good for me. anyway, first good night for me. anyway, i saying you just start to i was saying you just start to middle paul where were middle income paul where were the. used to the. oh yeah. sorry i, i used to think that laughter was the best kind of response to these sorts of stories in these sorts of organised nations who are peddung organised nations who are peddling this kind of nonsense . peddling this kind of nonsense. i'm not so sure actually now, because it seems to me the whole thing is becoming a bit like japanese. it's kind of taking hold more and more, both within our public institutions and a lot of our private institutions actually, and corporations and what have you. so i don't necessarily think that laughter is now the best response, because i think that it's now having a serious impact in terms of the influence that is gathering. so i think is an argument to say that when the likes of oxfam and what they're doing here seems to be

completely beyond their remit when peddle this sort of when they peddle this sort of stuff. i think need to back stuff. i think we need to back hard. if that hard. and if that means a boycott, then i think that's probably something that's justified just sense justified because i just sense now we're on a bit of a you now that we're on a bit of a you know, i would describe it as a never ending treadmill with this stuff these organisations stuff where these organisations are the are constantly looking for the next thing do. and next radical thing to do. and this where it takes it's this is where it takes it's completely wrong and only if people get in touch with oxfam and i have donated, but now and say, i have donated, but now i'm because of this. i'm not going because of this. will their minds? will they change their minds? i mean, know, nothing against mean, you know, nothing against being it creates new being inclusive. it creates new words. you want a place , just words. if you want a place, just leave whole woman and mother leave the whole woman and mother , leave alone. if you're , just leave it alone. if you're offended , call yourself offended, call yourself something . instead of something else. instead of insisting that everyone else has to the look at the time to do the same, look at the time it flies when having fun, it flies when you're having fun, graham there's chance graham says. there's more chance of winning lottery than of me winning the lottery than getting an email comment. read out michelle show out what michelle dewberry. show what graham what it should look like. graham buy get yourself a buy a ticket, get yourself a lucky and do win, lucky day. and if you do win, get in touch. give me a share. what your poll says. happy parties everybody. parties day, everybody. cheers. it indeed st patrick's day. it is indeed st patrick's day.

how should act. i know we how we should act. i know we should have guinness. i'm not forward to get it forward thinking. hard to get it down. after show. down. say well after the show. that's all i've got time for. thank you for thank you, jen. thank you for you at home. have a you guys at home. have a fantastic weekend. i'll see you on monday. hello there. i'm jonathan give your jonathan vautrey. give your latest from the met latest updates from the met office. of will have to office. many of will have to hold out until for sunday the best of the weather throughout this because this weekend because through friday evening and into saturday, it's low pressure that is charge, bringing is very much in charge, bringing a front's across much of the uk and germany unsettled set up. so as we move throughout the friday evening, there will be showers and longer spells of rain across pretty much all areas of the country. a few clearer spells here and there and where that comes lighter winds, comes with lighter winds, we could mist and fog could see the odd mist and fog patch perhaps some sea patch forming, perhaps some sea fog forming around some coastal as but underneath that as well. but underneath that cloud , temperatures won't be cloud, temperatures won't be dropping far at all around 7 dropping too far at all around 7 to degrees celsius . just that to 9 degrees celsius. just that bit up the far north bit chillier up in the far north shetland, down to around three degrees celsius throughout saturday. then a continued risk

of showers throughout the day more persistent across areas of scotland and northern ireland, tending here at a tending quite dump for here at a time . some of the showers across time. some of the showers across england wales could england and wales could certainly heavy and there's certainly be heavy and there's a risk hail and full of risk of some hail and full of storms in the mixture there as well. but you're in the well. but while you're in the sunny in it sunny intervals in between, it will relatively pleasant. will feel relatively pleasant. the around degrees the highs around 15 degrees celsius, up above for celsius, quite up above par for the time of year for saturday evening . that band in the north evening. that band in the north continues to push its way eastwards. we could see some stronger winds for a time across the and into with the highlands and into with some coastal but elsewhere the coastal gales. but elsewhere the showers their showers will tend to ease their way as into the way off as we move into the night. a slightly chillier night. so a slightly chillier night. so a slightly chillier night to come here underneath those clearer intervals. but it means start off sunday means that we start off sunday with, drier weather with, much more drier weather around like around and actually sunday like around and actually sunday like a pretty fine day for many of us. some cloud just lingering across the far east coast of england and the cloud will begin to throughout northern england and the cloud will begin to asiroughout northern england and the cloud will begin to as well. out northern england and the cloud will begin to as well. laterorthern england and the cloud will begin to as well. later on1ern england and the cloud will begin to as well. later on1erthe ireland as well. later on in the day. and these frontal day. and it's these frontal systems will then start systems that will then start pushing the rest of the pushing across the rest of the uk as move into the start of uk as we move into the start of the working week. low

the new working week. low pressure returns as we move pressure then returns as we move into week it will into the new week and it will turn unsettled again turn unsettled once again with further and rain further spells of cloud and rain . but temperatures generally staying on the mild side. but

by eding to by going to evening girls and boys, it's 7:00. and i'm laurence fox . now tonight we are to delve into the murky world of the patriarchy . is it all the storm patriarchy. is it all the storm in a teacup or have women and all women been excluded from society based solely on their sex? i be joined by a woman and a man to discuss this. sex? i be joined by a woman and a man to discuss this . then a man to discuss this. then i welcome you to the fox and the hounds panel. welcome you to the fox and the hounds panel . oh, cas, really? hounds panel. oh, cas, really? i am the fox and i have two news hounds with me. digest some of

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