high of thousands it's high immigration a brexit betrayal . immigration a brexit betrayal. we'll be asking the co founder of vote leave douglas carswell and with criticism about lads mags in the news , is it time to mags in the news, is it time to just let boys be boys.7 we'll be discussing that with kim woodburn from how clean is your house? also, there's going be a middle aged love island. will you watch it? let's hope for all of us. so lots to get through after nine. in my big opinion , after nine. in my big opinion, following wednesday's budget, things are tough as we avoid recession. the profits of doom were wrong to write off brexit brits in my first on air reaction to the financial events of the year, wednesday's budgets and he might take it ten. you will not believe this story my mother is furious the charity oxfam have banned the use of the word mother. you can't say mother any more awful father if we don't push back on this madness, it will only get worse. you won't want to miss my take it ten my martin. each guest is a military hero. former

blackwater parliament and the man who accused former house of commons speakerjohn bercow of commons speaker john bercow of bullying lieutenant general aaron david leakey is live at 10:00. so lots to get through. this is mark dolan tonight. it's night so we want to have some fun tonight. we possibly something cold and fizzy in the fridge or maybe fire up the kettle and let's have a nice remember . and how could i not remember. and how could i not wish you all a happy st patrick's day. i will out myself . it's my birthday today and. i was that close to being called patrick but they went for markets served me well so thanks to my parents for bringing me into the world and well everybody that's celebrating tonight have a great time and we will make sure that there are plenty of patrick day vibes throughout the show. happy st patrick's day. now nhs unions have good news actually on

paddy's night they've reached a pay paddy's night they've reached a pay with the government in a major breakthrough that could herald the end of strikes by frontline in england. the offer consists of a one off payment of 2% of their salary, plus a covid recovery bonus of 4% for the current financial year 2020 to 2023 and a 5% increase for next year. 2023 and a 5% increase for next year . it will 2023 and a 5% increase for next year. it will apply to key nhs workers, including nurses and paramedic . meanwhile, the uk's paramedic. meanwhile, the uk's biggest rail union, the rmt , has biggest rail union, the rmt, has suspended strikes at network rail and will hold a vote on a new pay offer. the new offer equates to a pay rise of up to 14.4% for the lowest paid workers and 9.2% for the highest paid. is this the good news ? paid. is this the good news? will see the end of industrial action which has been so disruptive for the country or has this government caved to the unions to debate this? i'm

delighted to welcome. newspaper columnist and broadcast petronella wyatt . what do you petronella wyatt. what do you think, petronella? who's running britain, is it the unions? no no, it's stephanie, the government and have to say that while i have no sympathy with the train , i have the utmost the train, i have the utmost sympathy with nurses and junior doctors. and we have a give me seven mp is i can make you seven train drivers give me seven train drivers give me seven train drivers give me seven train drivers couldn't you one junior school nurse. they remarkable jobs they're highly skilled they work appalling hours. i have friends who are in nursing work from now . 6:30 am. nursing work from now. 6:30 am. to 9 pm. they now have to deal with abuse from drunk to come into any that working conditions have deteriorated in the last ten years. and the other problem is that the hospice trusts used to provide accommodation financial aid to junior dogs

and. they wouldn't do this anymore because . they're too anymore because. they're too greedy and they'd rather spend the money on making themselves look better. so we have a situation where you have a junior dog who won't be able to get a decent job for ten years because of the training who is living on a salary that's hardly large and that the poor and i honestly have total sympathy for these . and i know because i them these. and i know because i them well that this is a last resort for them . they only strike for them. they only strike because are utterly, utterly desperate . however do you think desperate. however do you think that the strikes particularly relation to the ambulance drivers, nurses and junior doctors, that it could bring the nhs into disrepute , particularly nhs into disrepute, particularly for those whose families or loved ones have been affected by strikes? no, i don't think so, because first of all, with the nurses they've arranged cover from banking agencies . they're

from banking agencies. they're just as many nurses working dunng. just as many nurses working during . strike as they would be during. strike as they would be if there wasn't a strike. so actually nobody is losing out. i do . it's actually nobody is losing out. i do. it's bringing actually nobody is losing out. i do . it's bringing the actually nobody is losing out. i do. it's bringing the nhs. actually nobody is losing out. i do. it's bringing the nhs . this do. it's bringing the nhs. this is not the people work for it. i think it's bringing the hospital trusts into disrepute because this is what we have to focus on. i didn't see, i haven't watched repeat of the old doctor films with bogarde. i love those movies. you remember they were all living high on the hog. the junior doctors . they had free junior doctors. they had free accommodation and they had king george cocktails the evening. exactly. that what was provided the salary was similar , but they the salary was similar, but they got everything else . nowadays, got everything else. nowadays, if you're a doctor, you get nothing . and i know some doctors nothing. and i know some doctors who are literally begging for accommodation and having sort of bedded down together and no one. well, i guess we to look after those who look after us. can i

can i ask you overall then, because this is good news. it's friday night's. good to start with. good news, which is a pay dealin with. good news, which is a pay deal in the offing in regards to the nurses and many would say that they deserve that pay rise. they didn't get 19, which was a bit optimistic. i think we can all agree about that. a possible deal with the rmt as well. this in the context of rishi sunak brexit breakthrough, the windsor framework we've got stop the boats . we've got an economy boats. we've got an economy which seems to have settled down somewhat. does this government have momentum. i it does. i mean, one of the thing about rishi is that no one's ever started a sentence like that before. 0h, started a sentence like that before. oh, well there's always a first, isn't there? now i love rishi because he he on the promises and over delivers . promises and over delivers. which makes and the perfect politician and i think really has delivered because we didn't expect this did we. you didn't. well, the winds, the framework seems to have pleased some eurosceptics , although it eurosceptics, although it

remains to be, you know, the majority of the iag. do you think they'll they'll support it in the course of . he said he in the course of. he said he doesn't care . i don't think the doesn't care. i don't think the pubuc doesn't care. i don't think the public as the majority of the pubuc public as the majority of the public support it. and that makes the rebels irrelevant . and makes the rebels irrelevant. and if they don't support it, it will reflect badly on them . and will reflect badly on them. and even boris's little rebellion in a sort of disappeared i think is the end of the fracture. i think we're moving on. right. do you think that the tories have put their brexit will survive to they to. what we have to do is forget ideology and figure out how are we going to enrich this wonderful country and stop arguing . the thing that the arguing. the thing that the pubuc arguing. the thing that the public hates most is divided parties . and i honestly think parties. and i honestly think that the iag and my dear friend jacob should shut up. how well, of course, you know he's a star on gb as well, but i've been tweaking nose lately. well, that's that's. that's as it

should be. what about this background , though? i think background, though? i think a few policy the legislation that's passing through the house of commons in to stopping the boats . there are some boats. there are some commentators who have raised eyebrows about it. of course, we had the gary lineker drama last week, but i think that it seems to be quite popular among many tory voters and course the crucial red wall the economy. i mean, it wasn't spectacular on wednesday, but we've avoided recession. we may not have a recession. we may not have a recession this year is in recession. and why isn't rishi sunak's momentum being demonstrated ? the polls. it's demonstrated? the polls. it's far too early people on feeling . the yet then of that they haven't . their worries haven't haven't. their worries haven't been very economic worries haven't been dispelled it will take some time it will take mums , but i think it's all very calming. i think people are impressed by rishi sunak and i include people who are thinking

about voting for keir starmer. i think he's actually being very effective at kind of drawing starmer's pathetic little sting if you can call it a sting because it pathetic. i think he will sway a lot of floating voters . as i sunak is not voters. as i sunak is not a divisive figure in the way. he's not a divisive figure . a lot of not a divisive figure. a lot of people who swing by this way. is laurence fox to worry about yourself? 0h, laurence fox to worry about yourself? oh, sorry . it's friday yourself? oh, sorry. it's friday night. we've all had a drink. friday night as they like him. i think people do trust him and they appreciate the fact he works hard and he's not sort of flashy and. he does seem to care about the country he's not embroiled in scandal. i mean, we've had enough the psychodrama as and say i think it's what i'm getting the kind of feeling people like to talk to every day is it it's nice to have kind of grown ups running the country

again . this will kind filter again. this will kind filter through and. the tories will start doing better in the polls. we haven't got that long know and many governments suffer badly at local elections and i think it's pretty obvious. pretty clear , pretty probable pretty clear, pretty probable that the tories will get a kicking in may can rishi sunak survives that, especially in the context of siren calls for a return of boris johnson . boris return of boris johnson. boris return of boris johnson. boris return not going happen. why not? because parties don't want him back . are there any i have him back. are there any i have tweet . jake says i think they're tweet. jake says i think they're only two people in. parliament who want him back won't try again. and jacob yes, he won't try again . again. and jacob yes, he won't try again. he's too again. and jacob yes, he won't try again . he's too divisive . try again. he's too divisive. and also, i know it's friday. well didn't do a terribly good job i people i think tory is delighted to have seen up and i'm delighted to have on the international stage as well i

he's doing this country proud and i'm not ashamed of him. you know he he's sure footed he never makes a mistake. he'd of a blunder is like boris's and yet people think people got sick of all that hail fellow. well matt sharma balls because it was a shambles and he did not capitalise on brexit once brexit was done he hadn't a clue what to do . and i think rishi sunak to do. and i think rishi sunak just showing that he has a clue . you've been critical of starmer, but starmer could point to his lead in the polls ? of to his lead in the polls? of course, yes. if and a big if. if all political system is becoming more presidential, all political system is becoming more presidential , how does more presidential, how does starmer match up to sunak? because that's the battle now, isn't it? it's a choice of two men for our next prime minister i think there's no enthusiasm . i think there's no enthusiasm. starmer can't see that even among labour's. i think is more personal, enthused yazan, for rishi. okay, let's be

superficial . i was rishi. okay, let's be superficial. i was thinking about jfk because it was some patrick's day . i've got a great patrick's day. i've got a great photo of him in a green hat he won over nixon largely because he was more presentable . he was he was more presentable. he was looking. he was fresh page , was looking. he was fresh page, was energetic, star obama is sort of pasty faced. he he is beginning look old. he even looks slightly unhealthy. i mean i think rishi really looks like a man who's on the fast track . and what would the fast track. and what would you say to many of my viewers and listeners who are possibly actually labour voters who lent their vote to in 2019, who never rishi that snake in the grass is the guy that different castrated an elected minister with a huge mandate which minute first for bofis mandate which minute first for boris defence straight the quite a lot of other politicians including theresa may the second half the cabinet friends straight treated boris on and

above 20 ministers. so i think that argument is ridiculous and any case he is the best bet for the pro—brexit voter has sunak got long enough to turn this ship around . well, this is what ship around. well, this is what i worry about. let's so because the argument is always the tories have been in power too long, but we've had so many different prime ministers that way it doesn't seem if it's been one consecutive government as it did with thatcher, then major or blair. so maybe the public will see sunak as a new government, a sort of fresh government . it's sort of fresh government. it's a slim at the moment, but it's possible. well, we know, a week is a long time in politics it will be a year won't it will be more than a year. yes. your bet a may poll october. what do you think ? i my feelings may be my

think? i my feelings may be my feeling is also that what i found is going to be very close. i never believe they'll be a labour landslide. i never know . labour landslide. i never know. hung parliament with possible reasons that party about that is increasingly possible. i would actually put it best on that. i'll do it tomorrow . well, there i'll do it tomorrow. well, there you go. and we'll get you back in the air in a and we'll see whether you get your money. by the way jacob's outside in the lobby. he will go the fabulous patch, another white and patch, another white patch. and i really i thank you for really interesting conversation. your reaction market gbnews.uk. do the have momentum or is the tories have momentum or is rishi sunak living in a fool's paradise? next up, i'll be joined by the former ukip and tory mp douglas carswell and asking whether high immigration is a brexit betrayal . see you .

welcome back to mark dolan's

insights. now this week the chancellor's budget relaxed immigration rules to help construction fill certain vacant roles. net migration to the uk a prominent issue during the 2016 eu referendum rose to a record high over half a million in 2022. but jeremy hunt said people who voted for brexit did not for no immigration . is that not for no immigration. is that true? he told, the bbc that the pubuc true? he told, the bbc that the public voted control of migration argued the back to work announced on wednesday the budget were an important part of delivering our brexit promise . delivering our brexit promise. so is higher emigre passion a price worth paying for equal growth, or is it a brexit betrayal ? who better to ask than betrayal? who better to ask than the co—founder of vote leave , the co—founder of vote leave, former tory mp and the first and only ukip member of parliament, douglas . hi, only ukip member of parliament, douglas. hi, douglas . hello, douglas. hi, douglas. hello, mark. how are you? very well.

great to have you back on the show. course, you're joining us live from the united states . is live from the united states. is high immigration price worth paying high immigration price worth paying for economic growth . paying for economic growth. i think you should have some level of migration . i wouldn't be in of migration. i wouldn't be in favour of no . i am, after all, favour of no. i am, after all, a migrant here in the united states. you need some level of migration. but the idea is that you have to have a highly of migration in order to be prosperous . i would say it's prosperous. i would say it's simply not true . actually, what simply not true. actually, what you've had in britain is very high migration , which has meant high migration, which has meant that have had cheap labour and, a low productivity growth. i would say that actually uncontrolled migration has actually been harmful to increases uk living standards and wage growth. now clearly when britain voted to leave the european union, we voted in that famous phrase to take back control. the reality that under this administration we haven't

really taken back control at all. we're certainly not controlling the tens of thousands of people who get on and cross the channel but nor are we really controlling those who just kind of come to the country and stay on. what we've created a bureaucratic system that post facto ration is the arrival of people the uk now thatis arrival of people the uk now that is not a controlled system of migration and for politicians to pretend that they're controlling it. i just lacks credibility. what we need is a points based so we get to decide comes into the country not just based on numbers we want, not just based on the skills to want, but also i would say based on questions of, cultural compatibility . there are some compatibility. there are some people from some cultures who would be easier to assimilate into , integrate into britain and into, integrate into britain and western than others. and we need to have this conversation openly . and frankly, what we've got at the moment is nothing like that. it's shambles. the home office in charge. and it's a broken system . however, isn't there

system. however, isn't there some irony if we were to accept those who shared our values and our culture, it would be european ends to whom we've closed door on necessarily . i closed door on necessarily. i mean, here in the united states , you get people from all kinds of backgrounds who become successful americans citizens. i'm i'm actually struck the number of incredibly successful characters of indian heritage. and i know there are many britons of indian heritage who become phenomenally successful. so i take issue with this idea . so i take issue with this idea. it's about being european. i would argue that actually, if you were someone brought up in the french tradition of derry's government with a belief in an excessive belief in political rationalism, you you were perhaps slightly harder to integrate into the anglo american political tradition than. american political tradition than . someone who perhaps shared than. someone who perhaps shared a class classical liberal approach. it's nothing really to do with , you know , the colour of

do with, you know, the colour of someone's skin . it's to do with someone's skin. it's to do with whether they come from a culture and a background and a willingness to integrate and to be part of an american. i call it the american dream . in it the american dream. in britain, there's something similar that we need this sense that, you know , you come to that, you know, you come to britain to become british and to be british and to be part of something bigger than you. that's needed that's that's what's needed and that's what's and you're so what's lacking. and you're so right to talk about brits of indian heritage contributing so much to this country and being successful, including our prime minister rishi sunak in a deep, deep duty. douglas, do think that rishi sunak is serious about getting on top of illegal migration and getting those numbers to a manageable level? i i'll . be every government has i'll. be every government has beenin i'll. be every government has been in power for 13, 14 years. they've had a parliamentary majority for most of that time . majority for most of that time. an election is coming . and we

an election is coming. and we hear that it's definitely going to be done this time. well okay, guys, why haven't you done it? what's stopping you. i mean, the fundamental truth is we have a home office that doesn't to reduce the number of people here. and we see protest from staffers working in home office protesting against the minister's own determination to reduce the numbers. i think there's something fundamentally dysfunctional about the very system of government that is supposed to be in control . you supposed to be in control. you know, time is running out for this government to effectively , this government to effectively, credibly deliver on it. ahead of the next election , i slightly the next election, i slightly struggle to see what it is that they need to do, that they haven't already had the opportunity to do, given our creaking health infrastructure , creaking health infrastructure, lack of school places . of lack of school places. of course, you know, we don't have housing either, do we? we're in a housing crisis. it seems to just have in order to boost their where are these people

going to live? how will they get a appointment, a school place, all the rest of it. so what is a sensible figure for net migration annually going forward, do you think, douglas i don't know. i rather like the idea that year parliament should debate this and set a quota for that year . and if i was in that year. and if i was in parliament, i was involved in a debate to cap total number of people coming into the country i would want to look very closely at the number of people in the british workforce claiming some form disability benefit some form of disability benefit some estimate show that there are millions , literally millions of millions, literally millions of britons who aren't working because of suppose a disability claims. now surely if you have a large number of people disability at a time when it's generally understood that the health of the population has improved, i think you need to raise fundamental questions as to it's right to import to whether it's right to import labour if you've got people living in the uk who are unwilling to those jobs. you unwilling to do those jobs. you perhaps to tackle the perhaps need to tackle the welfare system, perhaps if

you're going to have a welfare system , disincentivizes people system, disincentivizes people from working. you need to address that rather than importing people , to come in and importing people, to come in and do their jobs. well, if anything, morally anything, slightly morally exploitative to in exploitative isn't to bring in people from all third world countries to do jobs . you're not countries to do jobs. you're not willing do yourself . douglas willing to do yourself. douglas before we go, the clocks against us, always illuminating to speak to you on the other side , the to you on the other side, the pond. what's appraisal of rishi? so—called brexit breakthrough ? so—called brexit breakthrough? the windsor framework , which the windsor framework, which essentially involves red and green lanes for goods coming from mainland britain into . from mainland britain into. northern does it fundamentally the presumption of the european court to old be the ultimate arbiter of decisions in the united kingdom ? i'm afraid it united kingdom? i'm afraid it does.i united kingdom? i'm afraid it does. i would therefore be very cautious about it when it comes to brexit and. the northern

irish question the lesson of the may government is people should never be afraid of no to what's on offer. if it forces the government to go back and get a better deal, i would i would be very sceptical about approving this if i was in the house of commons. douglas, great to have you back on the show. we'll speak douglas carswell speak soon. douglas carswell thank, of thank, you. the co—founder of vote , former conservative mp and vote, former conservative mp and the only ukip member of parliament in the history of this country . parliament in the history of this country. perhaps parliament in the history of this country . perhaps never to this country. perhaps never to be repeated. who after the break with criticism of lads mags in the news . should we let boys be the news. should we let boys be boys ? and will you be watching boys? and will you be watching the aged love island would you go on it? all of that to come with the queen of clean channel 4 star kim woodburn. she's.

well, it's friday night. it's st patrick's and a happy st

patrick's and a happy st patrick's day to one and all. and we do like to bring you some good news on so only is a potential deal in the offing with the rmt to end those dreadful rail strikes a deal nurses as well . well, i'm nurses as well. well, i'm bringing you now news of a developing story that's just in. you'll get more in the bulletin at nine. but it seems that a deal could be in the offing junior doctors as well which would mean no further industrial action the whole of the nhs . so action the whole of the nhs. so action the whole of the nhs. so a deal for nurses a deal for ambulance drivers and a deal for juniorjunior ambulance drivers and a deal for junior junior doctors. that ambulance drivers and a deal for juniorjunior doctors. that is what we're hearing. of course , what we're hearing. of course, these various pay deals will have to be voted on by respective unions. it seems the government is making progress in negotiating with various departments within the nhs, the ambulance drivers, the nurses and junior doctors. so ambulance drivers, the nurses and junior doctors . so there you and junior doctors. so there you go. good news on a friday. let me tell you now that a middle

aged version of love island is coming. that's probably bad news, let's be honest. but first, the journalist flick everett, he wrote for some the most popular men's magazines , most popular men's magazines, the 1990s, including . h. m has the 1990s, including. h. m has i thought the lads mags i worked for were harmless fun . now i for were harmless fun. now i fear that they led to a generation of toxic misogynist and women haters. so our men's magazines and dangerous all bit of harmless fun . and in this of harmless fun. and in this increasingly politically correct world, is it time to let boys be boys ? who better to ask than boys? who better to ask than channel star kim woodburn? hi i don't know how to go. just how are you? a great and glad to be called on my birthday. kim, what do you think about this? because there's one argument which is that these lads, mags, are an opportunity for men to have fun and look at pictures of

beautiful women . others would beautiful women. others would argue that they women as sex objects and are therefore very . objects and are therefore very. it's a load of tripe . look, if it's a load of tripe. look, if a man wants to look at a magazine or a woman, some women and you know, there's no harm. you have choices . no know, there's no harm. you have choices. no one know, there's no harm. you have choices . no one forces you to choices. no one forces you to read or at anything. and people. it's not just men, you know, there many women look at making magazine ins dare look it's not harming anybody. they're the right age. why does it matter? you have choices. you can buy. you. if at a newspaper shop you don't like the. don't buy the newspaper . boys will be boys. newspaper. boys will be boys. but girls will be girls. newspaper. boys will be boys. but girls will be girls . let's but girls will be girls. let's just blame the men . do you think just blame the men. do you think that all society. kim, do you. do you think that our society is getting hard on men . christine getting hard on men. christine walked in getting on men. well i

think it is. look, i'm going to say men haven't changed since the war began . they haven't the war began. they haven't changed. i mean, they are not be. which i think is one to tell you that on a serious note, i'm the man to man. a woman is a woman. don't leave a woman out . woman. don't leave a woman out. there are many married couples buy mucky magazines. read them . buy mucky magazines. read them. stop blaming men, please. that stop doing that . i'm what? what stop doing that. i'm what? what do you think of macho men? what do you think of macho men? what do you think of macho men? because they seem to be quite criticised days that if a guy i don't know he's a bit of a woman is they're in a bit of a drinker a bit of a and he's described this as toxic . look you know in this as toxic. look you know in my thought if a man single because i'm great once when you're married you stay true to your spouse. i'm old fashioned . your spouse. i'm old fashioned. if a man is single but you do what the heck you like that you got to do what he wants you to bandis got to do what he wants you to band is a man . what are we

band is a man. what are we trying to do? what's to us? you know, we go on about, you know what a man is. i mean, i love my job being almost with you. we live in a small town on the men. we've stopped the men being , we've stopped the men being, gentlemen, anymore. you know, the other day i was out and a young man opened a door for me. i should thank you so just you welcome. it was lovely. we're doing ourselves harm. i'm a man some man. would you want your man the other way? yeah. what do you want us to see? what? i want us to see. that's a man i don't know. come along now . i mean. know. come along now. i mean. 0h, know. come along now. i mean. oh, i don't . you know, i'm oh, i don't. you know, i'm frustrated by all because, you know , women are feminine by some know, women are feminine by some women i've met are like big men . i'm being honest with you. well, let a man the amount a woman and when they get together make sweet music. oh, it's one wonderful day. well, to be doing to our selves i know they sweet music. spare me the details . music. spare me the details. it's a family show. now, kim ,

it's a family show. now, kim, can i ask you whether you would ever pose for one of these lads? mags, your beautiful woman would you would you bare all for a few quid ? i've never bad or i must quid? i've never bad or i must be honest . i've been asked when be honest. i've been asked when i was younger how i say i didn't do, because in my day it was god, women didn't flatter what mean you would be regarded a woman of ill repute . but i'm 81, woman of ill repute. but i'm 81, which i. but now you know if you're young woman, you got a lovely body or something. why not, my love? been there. done that. what's wrong with seeing a woman that's nude or a man that you'd. come on? we all curious people . i can honestly say this people. i can honestly say this to you . i. i wouldn't pass the to you. i. i wouldn't pass the ego myself. and a book with nudes because i don't feel the need to. i'll be honest with you. but if i do feel need to watch it, you know, with that . i watch it, you know, with that. i mean, i don't want a ship once.

i've got to be honest. one of our brothers came here to ikea, and i said , well, you know that and i said, well, you know that man whose house you're we found a right buckyball, so we'll go get it going. got it. now you know he brought it out and i said, leave it and i going, i would not try that i wouldn't. but we're human beings. lovely. stop this nonsense . we open the stop this nonsense. we open the pot. okay, you got a b, you know, and we've got the whole seven foot god. i was buckets. so i us, i'm a human being and if you tell me you people pretend you don't if you've found a book that content and you were on own, you wouldn't openit. you were on own, you wouldn't open it . you're a liar. quite open it. you're a liar. quite sure . yes. we like looking at sure. yes. we like looking at bodies . i sure. yes. we like looking at bodies. i want it got my sure. yes. we like looking at bodies . i want it got my way. so bodies. i want it got my way. so in front me. i'm not going to miss it, dear. i'm a human being , not a robot. so based phoney. yeah, i totally agree with you. you say that you've never bared all for a magazine. well, i've got you pencilled for miss january on the gb news calendar

. nigel farage is december. eamonn holmes. february well, what, you want me to show , dear, what, you want me to show, dear, how much i beg ? what is it? how much i beg? what is it? it's. it's gb news. we want everything. quiet up. kim, can i. can i ask you a couple of other things? first of all, you mentioned i mean, you look for the for the eight zero. what's view what is your view of all of this? well that's it's all a look. it's everything. you were a double threat. you've got the brains and you've got the you've got the looks to pull it off. kim what do you make? i think you pushed that woman did. given the circumstances or the right circumstances or any circumstances . i the right circumstances or any circumstances. i see. i say to myself, you are a gorgeous man and you are very masculine. you're type of man. the woman feels feminine. i themselves for different you and i could have sweet music dear. no. well, they believe that's those circumstances can be made different. here's the wedding

ring let me chuck off right now i'm going to use a hacksaw kim before you go we're going to be talking about this by jove but don't tell wife kim before before we go going to be we're going to be talking and it's not you know , girls are forced to you know, girls are forced to post love they all but not post opposed the assignment home is a beautiful i just watch love island with the youngsters and come off you know they're they're the gorgeous bodies the boys are all whacked out to on the show. you know what? i'm not being funny. all the woman. i don't mind looking at that. a it's nothing . i'm don't mind looking at that. a it's nothing. i'm a don't mind looking at that. a it's nothing . i'm a woman. it's nothing. i'm a woman. that's just all of that . oh, it that's just all of that. oh, it doesn't bother me. oh, don't be so silly. come on, it. we got here. sue, sue, sue. oh, please you know, i thought it is watershed , but the point just watershed, but the point just stop this nonsense. if you don't want to look at newspapers the half girls half naked , don't buy half girls half naked, don't buy the newspaper because it's

choices. is nigel farage what naughty she shows on television then don't other on there are many more who are supplied with charles to please everybody stop on this this lady that what five is she was afraid and she goes on about oh she should bashing it now you know these people make me sick so far. yes well, i was doing something i didn't want to do, but it take me five years to find out to come along if it's just it took a five years. wasn't that nuts it's more truth bombs from the queen of clean happy st patrick's day. i wish i could i wish i could sip a guinness with you tonight . we would have so much fun. big love to your hubby as well. who i know an ever present figure including appearing briefly on the interview earlier in our chat, the wonderful came woodburn folks. thank you , kim. woodburn folks. thank you, kim. let's come . oh, god, i tell you. let's come. oh, god, i tell you. i mean it's the ultimate birthday gift. i do hope mrs.

dolan wasn't watching. i'm in a world of trouble. don't worry. the ring is still on. i'm just a lots to get through in my big at nine. my first on air reaction the budget the prophets of doom have gotit the budget the prophets of doom have got it wrong about brexit. britain and at 10:00 it might take it ten. you will not this oxfam have cancelled the word mother can't say the word mother. my reaction after ten lost to get through clips of the week .

next if you're just joining us a developing story the government could be on the verge of a breakthrough in pay talks with junior doctors. this on top of, on paper, an agreement with and ambulance drivers. and of course, it seems two rmt workers will be voting on a government deal as well. so it's good news

round in terms of potential strike action going for it. however, any not happy and says mark i'm sorry, but nurses will now be more overpaid than criminals, that they get more pay criminals, that they get more pay than those who put their on the line for us every. day police, fire and service personnel and others anything for that all men all men being demonised just for being men. aaron mark, penthouse and other magazines are expensive to the working class . perhaps a liberal working class. perhaps a liberal government could give the working class man a discount vouchen working class man a discount voucher. how about that ? sunak voucher. how about that? sunak versus starmer? who wins that president or contest ? how about president or contest? how about this from alan mark? interesting listening to your first guest, petronella wyatt , in the red petronella wyatt, in the red wall town of mine . when talk wall town of mine. when talk turns to politics, most people do not trust starmer to run the country . many thanks to giles country. many thanks to giles for an important correction. mark ukip had two mps douglas

carswell , mark reckless, both carswell, mark reckless, both previously of the conservative party. your absolute right to jailed and thank you for correcting me on that i do believe that douglas however was the only elected as a ukip mep. but i do take your point and thank you for that folks. lots more to get through . it's time more to get through. it's time for this . it's time now for for this. it's time now for clips of . the week, seven days clips of. the week, seven days of highs and lows on the people's channel and we start with state of the nation with jacob rees—mogg. the country is in turmoil strikes every day disposable income is to drop 6% this year and next let's what jacob had to say about state of the nation . the melbourne the nation. the melbourne cricket club has voted to keep playing harrow versus eton match , a match that dates back to 1805. one more often by eton and by harrow . as i'm sure you all by harrow. as i'm sure you all wanted to know, we want you to

know that . absolutely right. and know that. absolutely right. and of course, jacob rees—mogg is back on monday at eight now with the budget highlighting the woes of the nation. i think it's time a pick me up with esther and phil who always lighten the mood . i mean, look, we've got taxes high tax burden since the second world war, we've got no growth much in the country. the country this year and we've got a decline in living standards i it's hardly something for a conservative government to be boasting about, is it it. conservative government to be boasting about, is it it . that boasting about, is it it. that was the pick me up. we needed. meanwhile over on breakfast with isabel and eamonn and isabel was asking you the public, whether you would adopt a eamonn holmes . who wouldn't? graham says i'd be happy to adopt it on the condition retires and looks after my garden you can go on the one graham no eamonn not his words as ever. let's see if bev

and andrew can save the day with some light—hearted banter. here they are discussing the current strikes at airports. i'll tell you what they are also interesting. i flew in yesterday from the south of france. is interesting, too, as i was about to travel the world. i caught a plane from heathrow in december that same day board. they were on strike. yep. the army stepped in. brilliant. next days, they want put are the trials and want to put are the trials and tribulations of flying from the south of france. what a nightmare by the way, could the army not just run britain? i think it's time now. this is not a drill . michelle think it's time now. this is not a drill. michelle jabri has made a drill. michelle jabri has made a huge admission on tv. i everyone, this is rare that i admit this, but i was wrong. sorry run that by me again . i sorry run that by me again. i everyone . this is very rare that everyone. this is very rare that i admit . but i everyone. this is very rare that i admit. but i was wrong. now, apparently, michelle asked , for apparently, michelle asked, for that clip to be deleted. but it accidentally made it on air. don't know how that happened .

don't know how that happened. don't know how that happened. don't worry, michelle. it can be for a small price . okay. after for a small price. okay. after all that , we leave you with the all that, we leave you with the television of the year here is the highlight reel of the iconic alternate if match of the day, hosted by myself and the brilliant patrick christie's watch hits , drink it in. good watch hits, drink it in. good evening. it's10:00. and tonight evening. it's 10:00. and tonight , we make history this is the alternative match of day live on gb news with me, mark dolan and patrick christys. patrick, go easy on these. chris ahead tonight, 60 minutes of the best of football reaction and the finest analysis from our top commentary team, ayman. first of all, we're making tv and radio . all, we're making tv and radio. it is the alternate hit match of the day. your reaction as a broadcasting legend ? i fell. broadcasting legend? i fell. i fell. keep it. keep at it. let's keep it. yes it does appear now that this thing is working. no

is no good stuff . okay. well, i is no good stuff. okay. well, i will tell you leftovers. this tells, right? i mean, it was absolutely fantastic , but absolutely fantastic, but alternative match of the day i'll see you at the baftas and those are your clips of the week . lots more to come. the emails are flooding in is high a price worth paying for economic growth ? this from alison. good evening . how are you? hope you're having a cracking friday night. alison said i voted brexit to have control of our our laws and to be able to deport people who are a danger to the public. your guest petronella says elizabeth is treacherous hoists herself to the usurp her only who haven't read the windsor framework think that it's a good thing remember the unionists and backbenchers still have pronounce formally on it the signals are not good. how

about this from aaron mark. the brexit vote are disappointed with brexit deliver the fishermen the train links . it fishermen the train links. it looks like the liberals will make big gains and force a hung parliament and i think obviously when you mention liberals it's the lib dems it is labour, it be very messy at the next election . i think a hung parliament is the most likely option . we'll the most likely option. we'll revisit that. no doubt in the days ahead . sorry, says another days ahead. sorry, says another email. i never vote for boris. the sunak betrayal must not be rewarded . i'm still politically rewarded. i'm still politically homeless. mps don't want boris back, but voters do . and sorry, back, but voters do. and sorry, nurses. oh, we've done . that one nurses. oh, we've done. that one we just had. we just had our in there earlier. oh, and last but not least, this is very important. it's from jacqui. hi, mark. glad to see you're green today. happy st patrick's day and happy birthday . guinness and happy birthday. guinness cake and guinness all round. sloane, chef says, jacqui. yeah,

where is my thank you jacqui and a very happy st patrick's day to all of you each and every one, whether you're watching the show or listening on dab radio. coming next in my big opinion coming up next in my big opinion following wednesday's budget things are but as we avoid things are tough but as we avoid recession the profits of doom we're wrong to write off brexit britain. my first on air reaction to the financial events of the year. it's become a pastime now, a national hobby to talk this country down. well, not on my watch , by the way. not on my watch, by the way. might take it said you won't believe this story. oxfam the charity. well they've cancelled. they've banned the word mother . they've banned the word mother. we've got to stand up to this madness or it will never end. that's my take it. ten in an hours that's my take it. ten in an hour's time. you won't want to miss it. we've got my all star panel miss it. we've got my all star panel, tomorrow's papers so panel, tomorrow's papers and so much more. but next up is my big opinion . don't go anywhere .

welcome to mark dolan tonight and a very happy patrick's day. my and a very happy patrick's day. my big opinion following wednesday's budget, things are . wednesday's budget, things are. but as we avoid recession , but as we avoid recession, profits of doom, we're wrong . profits of doom, we're wrong. write off brexit britain . i love write off brexit britain. i love this country and i won't talk it down. my first on air reaction the financial events of the year following the chancellor's childcare announcement. we'll be asking in the big question should parents raising their own children rather than sending them to nursery at the age of one? my mark means guest is military hero. former black rod of parliament and the man who cool down former house of commons speaker john bercow for bullying lieutenant general aaron david leakey is at 10:00 discussing those allegations about the former speaker's

bullying. a busy 2 hours to come, lots to through including my big opinion and the budget. but first the headlines with the priceless tatiana sanchez . mark, priceless tatiana sanchez. mark, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant against russian president. it's accusing vladimir putin of war against ukraine , including the unlawful ukraine, including the unlawful deportation of children from ukraine to russia. the kremlin has described the claims as outrageous and says it doesn't recognise the jurisdiction . if recognise the jurisdiction. if the icc deputy prime minister dominic raab says russia must be held accountable to the historic moment in the conflict in ukraine. the international criminal court, which operates independently, has issued an indictment for president putin and the children's commissioner. commissioner for appalling crimes against children . and

crimes against children. and whilst they operate independently , it's really independently, it's really important the international community support them and give them the tools to do the job, which is why i'll be hosting on monday with my dutch opposite number, 40 countries around monday with my dutch opposite nuntoer, 40 countries around monday with my dutch opposite nunto world countries around monday with my dutch opposite nunto world them ies around monday with my dutch opposite nunto world them ies supportund monday with my dutch opposite nunto world them ies support toj the to world them the support to conduct investigations, look conduct the investigations, look after the for after witnesses to care the for the victims so that they see this through and we hope have accountability for those appalling crimes. accountability for those appalling crimes . security at appalling crimes. security at heathrow airport are to strike for ten days over easter in a dispute over pay unite union says over 1400 of its members at terminal will walk out from the sist terminal will walk out from the 31st of march after voting in favour of industrial action the airport says it has contingency plans in place to deal with the strike, but is urging the union to discuss its proposed % pay to discuss its proposed% pay rise . in junior doctors have rise. in junior doctors have agreed to suspend further strike action and end pay talks with the government . the health and the government. the health and social care department, the british medical association

representing junior doctors has agreed to start formal talks . agreed to start formal talks. more than 175,000 appointments had to be postponed to protect emergency care during week's doctor strike and. the nhs boss called the three day walk out on precedence. the bma has been demanding a 35% pay increase which downing street says would cost an additional £4 billion. police constable mary ellen bentley smith keep her job bentley smith keep herjob despite being found guilty for attacking a former aston villa footballer with , a taser and a footballer with, a taser and a baton . former striker dalian baton. former striker dalian atkinson then died after being kicked at least in the head by another officer . benjamin monk another officer. benjamin monk has been jailed for eight years for manslaughter. ms. has been jailed for eight years for manslaughter . ms. bentley for manslaughter. ms. bentley smith was cleared of , assaulting smith was cleared of, assaulting mr. atkinson after a trial. but the independent for police conduct found there was a gross misconduct disciplinary case to answer for her use of force and the prints princess of wales

have been celebrated st patrick's day with the irish guards. kate and william have attended the st patrick's day parade in aldershot . it is parade in aldershot. it is kate's first time at the parade as colonel with the regiment. the royal couple met with past members of irish guards . tv members of irish guards. tv onune members of irish guards. tv online and the abbey plus radio. this a gb news that was back to mark dolan tonight tonight. thanks, tatiana see with ten. welcome to mark toner tonight and i'm very happy st patrick's day to one and all my big opinion following wednesday's budget things are tough but as we avoid recession the prophets of doom wrong to write off brexit brits and my first on air reaction to the financial events of the year following the chancellor's child care announcement this week. the big question should parents be raising children on their own

rather than them to nursery at age of one might take it ten. the charity oxfam has banned use of the word mother two days before mother's day . if we don't before mother's day. if we don't push back on this madness , it push back on this madness, it will only get worse. that's might take it ten my ma meats guest is military hero former black rod of the house of lords and the man who accused former house of commons speaker john bercow of alleged bullying , bercow of alleged bullying, lieutenant general arundel david leakey . the news agenda as leakey. the news agenda as a licence fee payers face a £13 price hike. does beeb deserve a pay price hike. does beeb deserve a pay rise plus? we'll have tomorrow's papers . papers? tomorrow's papers. papers? saturday, of course, is tomorrow's papers on a saturday. reacting those my fantastic expert commentators some the finest in the country now i want to hear from you throughout the show market. gbnews.uk this show has a golden rule. we don't do boring. not on my watch. i just have it. so for the next 2 hours, big debates , big guests,

hours, big debates, big guests, and always big opinions. let's start with this . one the start with this. one the credibility of a certain has received something a kicking in recent years . the science , the recent years. the science, the experts , the modelling with experts, the modelling with projections of up to half a million covid deaths courtesy of imperial college at the start of the pandemic. covid modelling was woeful throughout , adding to was woeful throughout, adding to the government's, in my view , the government's, in my view, disproportionate response to the virus well, financial isn't much better with . the imf and the better with. the imf and the bank england having to do a wild u—turn in terms of their predictions for the uk economy in which they and don't forget these are the terribly wise people. the brits would be in recession at the end of last year and for the entirety of 2023. how surprising that the experts should get it wrong. and

whilst germany is now mired in negative growth, the great kingdom, brexit, brits and dare i say it ticks over nicely with modest growth the oecd today are the latest so—called predicting a downturn for brits and well let's hope once again we prove them too based . upon the track them too based. upon the track record of financial models , his record of financial models, his work is about as reliable as a nadine's zahawi tax return . if nadine's zahawi tax return. if we play our cards right with nosediving with job vacancies, high and unemployment low predicted modest growth , in fact predicted modest growth, in fact be more robust than previously thought so the outlook is far from sunny . millions of brits from sunny. millions of brits struggling with the cost of living crisis , high rents higher living crisis, high rents higher , mortgages, fuel and electricity are through the and food prices are a shocker there is unquestionably cause for hope and. some optimism , but you

and. some optimism, but you won't find that from the cervix . free leader of the opposition keir starmer, whose response to the chancellor's budget on wednesday was typically negative after 13 years of his government , our economy needed major surgery, but like millions across our country, this leaves us stuck in the waiting with only a sticking plaster hand. a country is set on a path of managed decline, falling behind competitors. the sick man of europe once again , he said that europe once again, he said that with such pleasure. now be clear, this government have a lot to answer for. in particular, the disastrous lockdowns , which is why we are lockdowns, which is why we are here. but it's interesting that starmer chose to attack this government by attacking the country for his comments on wednesday reflect the world view of champagne swilling north london metropolitan media and political elites . their view of

political elites. their view of the world and of this country is that britain is now a crap place . the brexit was a national act of self—harm and that our history is shameful and we should anticipate nothing more than decades of decline. well i'm sorry. i beg to differ. to be fair, this budget was not one to set your heart racing . to set your heart racing. perhaps that was the point . the perhaps that was the point. the bookish admin , mysterious jeremy bookish admin, mysterious jeremy hunt is no firebrand, but he has put a few fires out, including settling the nerves . the settling the nerves. the international markets upon largesse. we are now so i see this year's budget as quiet before the storm a year from now with rock bottom inflation with momentum in the economy, with growth . it's my view that hunt growth. it's my view that hunt go from zero to hero with a flurry tax cuts and growth measures that liz truss boldly

tried to do this year. but due to poor timing and execution she was unable to the nomics is coming just yet but it will be the wait my of this country is one of low tax high growth in which it pays to work and in which it pays to work and in which lean efficient public services work at times in tandem with the private sector to deliver taxpayers for money and a better service and the way i see brexit a simple one it's had a tough start . see brexit a simple one it's had a tough start. but like the ugly duckling , the children's stories duckling, the children's stories i believe it will get more attractive by the day and it will ultimately age better than sophia loren , an independent sophia loren, an independent sovereign britain can tackle illegal migration, indulge in lucrative international trade and pursue economic policies in the national interest . now, i do the national interest. now, i do have a in the works. banks are closing down in the states and it will be a bumpy year if

america's banking sector falls oven america's banking sector falls over. there will likely be another global recession . some another global recession. some form of credit crunch, too . all form of credit crunch, too. all bets are off. but fundamentals of the british economy are such that we will, through anything as we have proven to the financial modellers who got it so wrong . there is now a cabal so wrong. there is now a cabal of commentators attached to the idea that britain is a failure and who seem to want us to go down. bashing britain has become national pastime among the political and media class. national pastime among the political and media class . well, political and media class. well, forgive me if i don't indulge . forgive me if i don't indulge. this is a great country and in spite of the naysayers , pretty spite of the naysayers, pretty clear to me that our best is yet to come with fair wind and a splash of good. brexit. britain will prove the lot of them wrong . what do you think ? mark adds . what do you think? mark adds gb news. don't uk. i'll get to

your emails shortly. reacting to big opinion we have author and broadcaster peter lloyd , former broadcaster peter lloyd, former adviser to boris johnson , adviser to boris johnson, arranger and journalist and columnist. nina minskoff. nina, welcome back to the show. your reaction to wednesday's budget? the model has got it wrong. no i don't think so. you talked about jeremy hunt out the fires and these are fires have been started by his own party. and when you say starmer is attacking great britain, he is not attacking the country or the people per se . he is attacking people per se. he is attacking the country as ruled by threat. after 13 years of tory government . you know, you talk government. you know, you talk about champagne swilling leftie lawyers, whatever, but know he is a he is a smart man and he has very important ideas for this country . and you can't say this country. and you can't say that that you can't possibly say that that you can't possibly say that this government or the tories , actually they have tories, actually they have brought us to this point in time

where we're kind of clinging on, basically. it's you know, we're in a state and the oecd puts us just russia are below us in the 20. in terms finance and they are you know under the stress of sanctions. so it's not just keir starmer saying britain is in a parlous state. we have to recognise that britain britain is in a desperate state and there's no way there's no way round that except . you can't be round that except. you can't be pollyanna except except nina, that the modellers , the experts that the modellers, the experts at the imf , the bank of england, at the imf, the bank of england, they all predicted a recession for the whole of this year. and they said we would likely in recession at the end of last yeah has recession at the end of last year. has come to pass the so—called experts. well, will this to it we are just this close to it. so you know. and what's a name we know we're talking about language later, you know, recession or not recession. i think if you ask

most people in this country whether we're in a recession or not, wouldn't care. they not, they wouldn't care. they just they are just know that they are desperately their desperately trying to play their but bills, pay the but pay their bills, pay the elect bills, just cling elect tricity bills, just cling on. well, nina, nina, you're right. my viewers listeners right. my viewers and listeners are struggling , germany is are struggling, but germany is in negative growth at the moment . they are likely in recession . . they are likely in recession. they're definitely in negative growth as we speak . they're definitely in negative growth as we speak. is they're definitely in negative growth as we speak . is that growth as we speak. is that because brexit that is in because of brexit that is in trouble? no. of not. that's nothing to do with brexit. and i'm not the one who's mentioned brexit. i'm not the one who's meant to mention brexit at all. germany has its own problems . a germany has its own problems. a court caused by and i'm no financial expert but caused by the devotion to russian gas and oil. so that left them vulnerable in that area . so know vulnerable in that area. so know you can't say just because germany is doing badly that we're that we're doing better by comparison therefore that we're doing really well. you know we are as i said, we are just kind of clinging on by our fingers and. it's wonderful to be

optimistic, but no point optimistic, but there's no point in pollyannish, pollyanna in being pollyannish, pollyanna about well the range, about it. okay. well the range, as i mentioned brexit because it's all part of the narrative of britain bashing . it's all part of the narrative of britain bashing. i find it's all part of the narrative of britain bashing . i find that of britain bashing. i find that these organisations the imf , these organisations the imf, arguably the leader of the opposition most of the media, they're furious that we had the temerity to leave the european and they're just so happy to . and they're just so happy to. see any negative economic news about the country and when they get it wrong they don't fess up. the bottom line is they said we'd be in recession for the whole this year. now they've whole of this year. now they've done what experts done a u—turn. yes. what experts 7 done a u—turn. yes. what experts ? they never really hold ? yeah. they never really hold to their forecasts, do they? because their forecasts keep changing they really look at changing and they really look at saying, okay we got it wrong. but here is what's happened and why it's happened, what we have to look at is the politics, the weather and what keir weather and what sir keir starmer is trying to starmer is doing is trying to create storm. trying to create a storm. he's trying to create a storm. he's trying to create misery that will create the misery that will lead to the election and to the general election and going continue to hear that going to continue to hear that from the leader, the opposition, which his to job an which might be his to job an election. but if means

election. but if that means talking britain, as you say at a time when actually i hate time when actually things i hate to but think we to disagree nina but i think we probably on a lot of things probably will on a lot of things especially that this country is not you look at spain if not on. if you look at spain if you at france, you look you look at france, if you look at if you look at at italy, if you look at germany, these economies are struggling. financial struggling. their financial systems are struggling. the political are political environments are fragmenting what fragmenting even worse than what we say about here. growth inflation is less than . no, no, inflation is less than. no, no, it's marginal in terms of growth and inflation. but actually what we are looking at is a much more stable economy, economy that has come that come back from the hits that i got from covid outbreak. also from the war. and we are developed and continuing to have growth . we'll see that coming growth. we'll see that coming through now , i think that that through now, i think that that was caused last was by the woman that marched mentioned liz truss . we know that was self—inflicted wound. it really was yes, i do agree and i think most would, as mark said, but there was execution and challenges there. but the idea that growth is required, which was trust in the place was built on is absolutely sound. now that prime she may have gone about it

, she did go about it the wrong way. but our political system and kudos it enabled us to change the lead change the prime minister to get what this country needs . i think we should country needs. i think we should shoulder. borisjohnson country needs. i think we should shoulder. boris johnson had bofis shoulder. boris johnson had boris and then liz truss boris johnson and then liz truss we've we've you know boris we've we've had you know boris johnson got us through the covid crisis. he got us through ukraine, he got us are internationally recognised as achievements by a prime minister. it's absolute ridiculous keep banging about ridiculous to keep banging about the vaccine and boris johnson and ukraine the boris sees himself as winston churchill and only he can see that the ukraine war was a political move for him really honestly. let's i would hate to say it's hokey churchill . well, you may say that, but i think international community, the people, ukraine and the coalition that have come together to fight in the war in ukraine would not see it that way. they would say and recognise the way that that prime minister did and also what that was done to help save millions of through .

millions of people through. covid. lloyd's , keir covid. okay. peter lloyd's, keir starmer could argue that he's ahead of the polls. he's he's streets ahead of the tories in the polls at the moment. and therefore, britain in a bad place. and he'll be our next prime. well he would say that, wouldn't he? and he would like to think and of course, there is a chance that might happen. the conservative is certainly on the back foot through no fault of their not argue their own. but let's not argue with that. let's not pretend that labour party are good with the budget . they are the party the budget. they are the party which limbo and i think he was was the chief secretary to the treasury. i think he wrote infamous letter saying to the conservatives who when you are in power, good luck, there's nothing left. we've spent every penny and. how long ago was that? well was relatively recently, you know , it was like recently, you know, it was like it was within 20 years. within 20 years we have had tories that 13 years to get it right and they are the ones who crushed down and down and down and down.

they are the reason we are here now. you cannot blame labour for that. but cannot blame liam byrne for it. if for heaven's sake , this debt is pure sake, this debt is pure desperation, if this, if you, if you look at labour's performance , the seventies, i mean the country was held to ransom strikes like but the energy blackouts that's decades ago you can't say because there were strikes in the seventies that starmer is going to lead this into some kind of financial disaster. well i, i think i think it is possible logical of labour to not handle a budget correctly . i will i will support correctly. i will i will support peter on this because sir keir starmer also supported jeremy corbyn on his budget plans and his view of to how spend their way out of to spend hundreds , way out of to spend hundreds, millions. this was before covid on various things and their budgets just did not make sense. it was not sound . and so keir it was not sound. and so keir starmer was rock solid behind those ideas of tax and spend. well, because he's a politician he knew that the only way he could change the party was from

inside, not from outside. so he had to be inside before he could before he could do this debate is negated corbyn this this to the left is actually under you know well under his thumb at the moment. he and he he dealt with anti—semitism . so in only three anti—semitism. so in only three years he has turned that party around. i don't vote labour but you have to be objective and acknowledge he's achieved. but you go this will rage on my panel of back for the papers at 1030. but next up in, the big question, given the has announced a lot more child care for parents of one and two year olds, should parents raising the children on their own is nursery is a child really the best way to do it? we'll discuss that .

next in just 40 minutes time. it's my take it ten. reacting to the most extraordinary story possibly of the year , oxfam have possibly of the year, oxfam have banned the word . my reaction at banned the word. my reaction at ten. it's time now for the big question in which we tackle a major story of the day and jeremy hunt used wednesday's to announce an expansion of free childcare to cover and two year olds in england, parents of children aged one and two will be able to access 30 hours a week of free care under a policy estimated cost £4 billion. the chancellor is also set to increase funding for the existing programme of childcare for three year olds. so it backs the question should parents be raising their own children to debate this i'm delighted to welcome nanny and tv personality laura amis and andrea williams, ceo christian concern great to have both on the show. laura let me start with you. shouldn't

parents raising their own kids, especially one year olds , lisa? especially one year olds, lisa? and even as professional childcare provider , i have to childcare provider, i have to say there is no better person to raise a child than their own parent. however we are. and nurseries and childminders all childcare providers . a fabulous childcare providers. a fabulous backup option . a backup but it backup option. a backup but it won't be a backup. well, it will be the go to option with 30 hours of free child care. laura listen, i've got no doubt you and your colleagues do an amazing job, and those kids are lucky to have you in their lives . but do you have concern for our society if very small children are being looked after by people that, aren't their parents? i have of concerns, to be honest, for our future society when it comes to the way that children are raised and if they children are receiving good quality day care, then no , i quality day care, then no, i don't think in environment, even

if is a parent forgive me to say who's caring for a child , there who's caring for a child, there are ways and there are approaches that are on necessarily as as others. so in some instances being within a professional setting could actually be very helpful . a actually be very helpful. a child. okay andrea, great to have you back on the andrea williams, ceo christian concern , your reaction to what is effectively the normalisation of child care for the under twos . child care for the under twos. what is great to hear laura that she has been very positive about indeed the role the role of parents and of course no doubt andifs parents and of course no doubt and it's absolutely clear that what she promotes is really childcare . but there can be no childcare. but there can be no doubt that the real value to a child is being loved and nurtured by mum, by their dad at home. those early years . and home. those early years. and that to create a culture whereby is continually outsourced to

others as go to as the norm cannot really be beneficial for society. certainly not beneficial for those little children. no, i'm mum of four. they're now well grown . it was they're now well grown. it was wonderful to have the opportunity to stay at home and to be with them . i mean, i also to be with them. i mean, i also had some wonderful nursery , it had some wonderful nursery, it has to be said, absolutely wonderful nursery care. but laura has made this point, hasn't she, that that good quality care is great. but there's also quite a lot out . there's also quite a lot out. that isn't necessarily great as it might be. and creating this overwhelm may need and incentivising it rather than encouraging mums to consider how to stay at home to and and to stay at home wherever possible is actually a very sad move by. the government. well, andrew this policy will the government

anywhere . from 3 to £400 a week anywhere. from 3 to £400 a week per child. many families , per child. many families, andrea, would argue look give us the money and it means that either mum or dad can stay at home and raise the baby . well, home and raise the baby. well, that would be fantastic it to actually think differently where the money is going at the moment parents are compelled almost consider going back to work the mum to consider particularly going back to work because the tax rate on is so very high so what they actually see is net income is small to what they might be earning. income is small to what they might be earning . well let's might be earning. well let's think about that differently. that's actually put more money into the family let's reduce the tax burden so that they might so they might be able to stay home. of course, sometimes a dad, but it's more usually the man might be able to stay at home. it would be amazing to see the tax coming to the family and they're all countries . france, for

all countries. france, for instance, that gives real tax breaks to the families to incentivise parents to stay at home. in similar in hungary, we've seen similar schemes but affordable tax affordable housing for instance , affordable housing for instance, affordable vehicles is something that hungary encouraged . yes, and hungary encouraged. yes, and i think that that's the kind of way that we to go if we tax so hard from the wage bracket, then we force two parents to have to go into the marketplace when in fact, we ought to be giving the tax breaks to those that are raising small children at the time so that they can stay at home. i mean, because it is an absolutely wonderful privilege to be at home with little children and to raise them up. and when you're a mum. those moments i remember when my you know i was overwhelmed with my first child was born but i was very much enjoying my life as a lawyer and couldn't imagine even being being at home with a mum and then i met lily and was it

and then i met lily and was it and i really so loved that time being with her and raising raising her and the children that followed well lovely lucky kids that they are. i wonder whether is about the economy this is money law rather than the welfare of children and families. how about this quote from the journalist alison pearson who tweeted this week again and again, mothers tell pollsters what they'd like is to spend more time with their small children. this basic instinct is overridden by politicians who just see women as cash cows, not vital nurturers of the . next vital nurturers of the. next generation. yeah, again, i think i'm going to have a whole heap of my colleagues saying you're doing is a disservice here. but i do agree. i do feel that there is no better person to care for

their child, especially in the formative years and it's very early years then their parent and i am somebody that taken a tiny baby from a parent's arms and cared for them with love. i'm very you know, i love my job. i'm very good at my job. i can say that. but if those little babies are being put into an environment that isn't, you know, as or as nurturing . then know, as or as nurturing. then yeah, that's going to be a little i wouldn't say an issue for them because we don't know. we don't know what happen throughout their development. but where should they be in? the mothers and fathers arms . yeah. mothers and fathers arms. yeah. i mean, laura, listen, i'm i'm going to get you out of trouble with your entire industry because . i think i think that, because. i think i think that, you know, you're both rightly concerned about these small children being looked after in nurseries . but, i mean, most nurseries. but, i mean, most nurseries. but, i mean, most nurseries do an amazing they are very caring. they are very loving . let me tell you that loving. let me tell you that when . my eldest went to nursery when. my eldest went to nursery and it was just a few hours a

week at first, but actually it transformed his personal . week at first, but actually it transformed his personal. he became more into pens and more outgoing, more sociable. he was stimulated and actually, in many cases , the kids have a more cases, the kids have a more stimulating time in nursery than they would at home when mum or dad is actually the laptop, sending emails and a coffee rather than really doing anything. yeah that brings me back to the point i made earlier . it really depends on the because you can be at home your parent who adores more than anybody on the planet, but it's not going to be a very stimulating or rewarding environment where they are learning all the skills that we then need to become , you know, then need to become, you know, an effective member of society . an effective member of society. it's so dependent the circumstance and. there may even be instances where parents don't necessarily have go out to work, but actually they require that break because there's nothing more challenging being with children all day, every so in

some instances , it's not even some instances, it's not even necessarily about the money. i'm sorry to kind of go off on a tangentis sorry to kind of go off on a tangent is about the fact that parents they need help. you know they need the village so laura so many different laura i've got to run her totally agree with you listen i need to be a childcare for my eldest tomorrow night he's 17 do you think you could do a couple of hours? he's an absolute noisy. sorry he's still teething. thank you so much . laura. laura, amy's nanny much. laura. laura, amy's nanny and tv personality , andrea and tv personality, andrea williams, ceo of christian concern . what do you think? concern. what do you think? should parents be raising their own children? coming up next, is a top tory pair right to suggest jobless brits should move to the country to pick vegetables ? country to pick vegetables? that's .

next reacting to the big stories of day, author and broadcaster peter , a former adviser to boris peter, a former adviser to boris , covid arranger and journalist and columnist nina minkoff , now and columnist nina minkoff, now and columnist nina minkoff, now a conservative peer, has suggested the unemployed should be transported the countryside to help with the labour shortage. baroness bascom said several million who could work should be encouraged to find jobs in areas such as hertfordshire here, where there are not enough pickers. the

national farmers union leader, minette batters has the idea. so what do we think , peter? peter what do we think, peter? peter lloyd, what do think? sounds a bit mediaeval to me. yeah initially i thought this is lead to chris. what is he going on about ? but i to chris. what is he going on about? but i think to chris. what is he going on about ? but i think the more i about? but i think the more i thought about it, the more i thought about it, the more i thought maybe there is some merit the idea. it's merit to the idea. it's certainly very hipster. the idea of getting someone and of getting someone to go and forage you know, for their dinner somewhere. i mean, that's would be star would probably be a five star hotel in east london somewhere, but know. i think it but i don't know. i think it could be quite. but who would trust a or anyone in this country to implement? i mean, really, they ever really, how would they ever excuse is a very excuse me? this is a very provocative suggestion from from baroness. but i wonder whether it raises the wider debates about two and a half million working age adults who are currently not active in the economy right. i think 800,000 that under 20 ones are out of work at the moment. well, yeah, i actually think it's fine to expect more from unemployed people. just because they're unemployed doesn't mean they

have to be inactive. they can still contributing to the still be contributing to the economy to the workforce in economy or to the workforce in some if it's unpaid. some way, even if it's unpaid. so i think that's entirely reasonable. this like a reasonable. however, this like a policy of the chinese communist, doesn't it? i can't see it happening in britain any time soon. busing jobless people to the countryside to you know dig the countryside to you know dig the parsnips. yes. it's a bit carry on farming, isn't it? but i don't think really how it should be portrayed. you know, maybe let's try and rebrand this because what we are looking at is saying match the need with where and there's where people are and there's definite a maybe a grain of opportunity here where we could see students in the, you know, maybe not spending as much time on gaming and other things being taken, encouraged by supermarkets who need people by farmers in the and a few are very keen on this it's how do we excite people to do this organic we all play we pay over the odds to get organic food straight from the fields here got plenty of it plenty of fields to be done let's get people out there.

let's get them excited . get let's get them excited. get britain working, which is what the chancellor been saying the chancellor has been saying and think there is a smidgen about but you're right about this. but you're right about this. but you're right about you know, about it a bit. you know, chinese if there's a case of it's a government policy, maybe there is something that supermarkets , all of us can do supermarkets, all of us can do this or there long term this ability or there long term sick, you know that's for me what the state is . but what the welfare state is. but is a scandal that there is it not a scandal that there are over a million job vacancies in this country? there are also long, long term , long term ill. long, long term, long term ill. so we at that although as douglas carswell raised a question earlier, how will well. well it's alright him to say he's fit and presumably fit for work but what about long—covid you know there are over over a million, i think 2 million people have long—covid and that's, that includes fatigue. you can't go and pick anything in a field if you if you're then we're done for. oh well i don't know. the thing is the idea of these, you know, surly teenagers being bused from, you know, from you they won't be met by you, they won't be met by somebody, you just to pick

somebody, you know, just to pick in a field. it's i don't think is to because they is going to work because they don't to do it anyway. if don't want to do it anyway. if they could if they could make money doing it, they do money doing it, they would do it. then they don't want to it. but then they don't want to do only caveat is if do it. my only caveat is if we're to get we're we're going to get if we're going boost the unemployed, going to boost the unemployed, that should also include some lazy well. think that lazy lords as well. i think that would good. it's not bad would be good. it's not a bad shout. they just clock shout. normally they just clock on for 5 minutes to their on for 5 minutes to get their 300 they. thousands 300 quid, don't they. thousands of in france been of people in france have been protesting after president macron raise the retirement age from bypassed from 62 to 64. he bypassed parliament to parliament after failing to convince vote through convince mps to vote through his plan french take to the plan as the french take to the streets protest against this streets to protest against this pension brits to pension reform. all brits to compliance. what do we think about that? colvin well, we've had our own of strikes, whether it junior on underground it be junior on the underground in london and civil servants this week. so i don't think we ought to complain. this is civil disobedience, isn't it? this this strikes. this strikes. this is strikes. this strikes. and friends paris this is strikes. this strikes. and with friends paris this is strikes. this strikes. and with a friends paris this is strikes. this strikes. and with a number paris this is strikes. this strikes. and with a number of paris this is strikes. this strikes. and with a number of colleagues work with a number of colleagues said been complaining about the smell food in the smell of rotten food in the streets of paris because the binmen strike in paris binmen are on strike in paris and is really cool. the

and this is really cool. the rest. the french are rest. yes so the french are getting the message across but that didn't nicolas sarkozy increasing pension age from 60 to 62 and i don't think he'll stop president macron also if you look at the figures here and there's a fundamental issue about modern economies and the challenge they're ageing challenge they're with an ageing population and, the ability to sustain pensions for them. we have it in this country. we have that challenge. france facing it, other mature economies western countries are facing a bit a bit more france than bit of a bit more france than any other country in europe. well, there you go. a bit of a bofis well, there you go. a bit of a boris johnson moves the way to ignore parliament, it? ignore parliament, wasn't it? well there well you know, sometimes there are have to be done. are things that have to be done. and remember parliament was and i remember parliament was seen as, you know, quite challenging the time. but challenging at the time. but french now. you french are now doing it now. you guys the queen. knew guys cheated the queen. who knew 16 year finley hutchings of 16 year old finley hutchings of gloucestershire been gloucestershire has been revealed as one of britain's youngest shopkeepers despite leaving school without any qualifications, he told the daily mail that opening the shop meant leaving school with no gcse cars. but he has no regrets dropping out. so are exams

overrated? nina metcalfe well, exams aren't overrated, you know, we need to have a system. people work towards the goal and achieve a goal and then people know the how they've done. but you don't have to have you know, you don't have to have an string exam to an exam, a string of exam to succeed . look at richard succeed. look at richard branson. richard branson , a branson. richard branson, a prime example, but there are very few. branson, a real entrepreneur . sugar. well, lord entrepreneur. sugar. well, lord sugan entrepreneur. sugar. well, lord sugar. yes there are people like that who have drive and determination and, you know, work and on they go, which is absolutely . but this work and on they go, which is absolutely. but this guy hasn't just done it on his own i mean, i'm reading the stories that he learnt the art of shopkeeper from his father, dad from his father, mark. and as a child, he helped his dad with his own business and, even assisted him with and selling with buying and selling at auction. grown the auction. he's grown up in the family, it's not like he's family, so it's not like he's he's he's not got money him. he has, you know, and ongoing education from from actually from from his father so he's he has an advantage but but good him i mean you don't have to

have you know a string of letters after your name. well, i just wonder whether , we've gone just wonder whether, we've gone to the other extreme. peter lloyd, which tony blair lloyd, which is under tony blair labour's getting more labour's plan of getting more than of into than half of school into university when perhaps getting into the world of work would have benefited many. right i actually love this move against education. i think education in many ways corrupt academia is often corrupt. certainly the humanities. what do you mean by corrupt? infiltrated by political activists who pose as teachers or professors and they think that's a bit extreme. well, i think that's a bit you know, away with the fairies people. i don't know. i mean i mean, there's plenty of evidence. what kind of stuff is being taught, do you think, in the scenario, what the worst case scenario, what kind warmed marxism for the kind of warmed marxism for the most part. but, you know, i would say a move away from would say that a move away from academia a thing, academia is probably a thing, really. encourage really. i would encourage people, men, people, especially young men, go into into tech, into engineering, go into tech, go to small business. yeah i mean, plumbing and all manual. that's incredibly lucrative. go for it . i just that's incredibly lucrative. go for it. i just add that i for it. i would just add that i come a community came here

come from a community came here and them didn't have the and some of them didn't have the opportunity to have the education go education they, had to go straight to work and have been hugely successful. so there's everything you're everything for you, if you're going entrepreneur start going to entrepreneur ism, start a business, do things think a business, do things i think sometimes is upon sometimes education is upon people when this opportunity of being a businessman or being entrepreneurial can be that for you. but i don't think it's for everyone and i think we should let take their choices let people take their choices have the choice to do either business start up their own you know young feel he's know this young guy feel he's been successful what for been hugely successful what for every him there's every one of him there's probably probably probably few people who probably want on says i can want to go carry on says i can read right and count money is all need. know actually if all i need. i know actually if all i need. i know actually if all primary school children all the primary school children could leave when they could read, write count when they read, write and count when they left primary school went into higher education, then. then we'd have a country that was worth that would that would be a start, wouldn't it? we'll look at coming up the bbc licence fee is rumoured to be going up by £13 a year after of rounds over impartiality. £13 a year after of rounds over impartiality . we're going to impartiality. we're going to

debate the future of the bbc and at the licence fee , should it go at the licence fee, should it go up, is it time for the beeb to have a pay rise? we'll debate with former bbc executive david keeley and, the bbc's former chief political correspondent john there .

next a big reaction to all of our debates on email this in regard to two of the idea of working class are the unemployed people being shipped to the countryside to? dig for vegetables. the vital tories want to make the sick work as slaves . neal, not sick work as slaves. neal, not happy with this suggested policy. you'll get some more of your emails shortly, but let's talk now about the bbc. the national state broadcaster and a fascinating story there is growing speculation that the

beeb licence fee could increase by £13 next year. the charge of £159 could rise to 172, which would to the biggest increase in more than 20 years. the licence fee is due to rise in line with inflation in april 2024, after a two year freeze yesterday . two year freeze yesterday. nadine dorries, the tory mp who as culture secretary signed off the freeze calls for no further increases until changes to bbc are considered so with the cost of their radio and operations rising , is it time to give the rising, is it time to give the state broadcaster a pay rise or should they cut their cloth accordingly? to debate this , i accordingly? to debate this, i am delighted to welcome the bbc , a former chief political correspondent from 1992 to 2000 broadcaster and bestselling author john sargeant and former bbc executive and founder of newswatch, david. david, welcome to the show. is it time to give the bbc? a pay rise.

to the show. is it time to give the bbc? a pay rise . good the bbc? a pay rise. good evening . no, i don't think it is evening. no, i don't think it is . i don't think that the events gary lineker and over impartiality generally show that the bbc haven't got hasn't got its act in in order that they they stuck resolutely to the idea that they should funded by the licence fee when the broadcast environment is changing massively and in that sense they are asking for trouble because people are asking the question against this lack of impartial and a very falling viewing figures, etc. they're asking the question of whether they want to pay the licence fee evasions up to 10% and at the same time nearly 2000 people a week are being fined for non payment. it's a very difficult situation . however, difficult situation. however, john sergiu , is this fair on the john sergiu, is this fair on the beeb see it's watched and listened to by millions . that's

listened to by millions. that's right more than 90% of the population are listening to watch the bbc every week. the idea that you could introduce quick changes or that you can bleed the bbc to death by a thousand cuts you've . got to be thousand cuts you've. got to be very careful with this. it's a very careful with this. it's a very elaborate balance between making sure that enough people pay making sure that enough people pay and there's enough money to make sure that it's not too expensive . now, you may think expensive. now, you may think £259 a year is a lot of money, but actually it's only about $0.40 a day. and if you change it, if you change that system, it's going end. now, if you aren't very careful, you oh, let's have why can't it be like netflix? so why can't it be like other things? you may find the subscription if it is a subscriber, is much more $0.40 a day. so whatever you do, you've to do with great care and. it's interesting that although the government have said we're going

to review the licence fee and they've promised to do that a year ago, what's actually happened that they still happened is that they still think is a very tricky think this is a very tricky issue. and remember there is an election next year if they're going to change the bbc finance system, have to be in the. system, it'll have to be in the. however david keighley you look at podcasts now, i mean, the most downloaded and listened to podcast in the world is the joe podcast. this is a guy that essentially hosts a show in his garage . he's got one producer garage. he's got one producer and 11 million listeners a week . the bbc ought to cut cloth, don't you think, particularly given other broadcasters. dare i say , including gb news. just say, including gb news. just that exactly . and that's my that exactly. and that's my point about the broadcast environment changing rapidly . environment changing rapidly. and to answer what john sargeant said, i'm not talking about bleeding the to death by a thousand cuts, they're very lavish funded at the moment with

an income of over three and a half billion a year. what an income of over three and a half billion a year . what was half billion a year. what was necessary is in the mid—term review the dcms is releasing it in may work on that is underway and nadine dorries was culture secretary. that process was set and jay what they need to be doing is looking at the issue very carefully and looking at how they can maintain the good points . the bbc, while at the points. the bbc, while at the same time reforming it to meet the requirements of the new broadcasting environment. and that's the costs that people can afford . £159 to £173 a year on afford. £159 to £173 a year on and £72 a year is a huge increase for on very low incomes. john may talk about only £40 per day, but if you're a single mother and most of the people who are fines are non—payment of fines are are in that category that is a lot of money and that should be taken

into account when there are alternative of broadcasting these days. john were the bbc go and john gone ? no, i'm just and john gone? no, i'm just saying david, all listeners, if you can, there's new system you can bring in what actually want to do. david how are you trying? cut the bbc down to size. is that what you're after and think the bbc should be smaller should be less active in all these ? in be less active in all these? in which case, what you going to cut? what don't you like? don't you? the orchestras. don't you like like data like the proms? don't like data and don't like the news coverage 7 and don't like the news coverage ? you know, where do you start saying? oh, well, they could save of money. they could save lots of money. they could work in a garage and. oh, now, poor john's just cut off. obviously not. not paid his electricity bill. we've the line but can i thank john sargeant for great contribution and also david keatley , who is a former david keatley, who is a former bbc executive and founder of newswatch . david listen, what is newswatch. david listen, what is a good amount for the bbc to be

charging the great public? you mentioned the income about three and a half billion. could do it on a fraction of that. how much you think the licence fee should be? i think give and take. gretchen minus the mind to come up with a precise answer to that . i think what the bbc needs to do is to take long, hard look and this in association with consultation with the audience about what services the people are genuinely enjoying , what are genuinely enjoying, what services are genuinely and in the current broadcasting environment . and i think also environment. and i think also what bbc need to do is i think it's terribly important. part of the equation is starting to respond better to their audience at the moment. respond better to their audience at the moment . the interface, at the moment. the interface, for example, through the complaints system is that most the vast majority of complaints that received by the bbc are rejects said by the bbc as

judged and jury. i think a way of opening up the bbc would be to include more consultation on such issues. okay. well just like just like the beeb , we've like just like the beeb, we've run out of time. gentlemen, a fascinating conversation. john, i wish . we could speak more, but i wish. we could speak more, but we'll catch up with you on future occasion. my thanks to john serjeant there and david keighley . the people spoken keighley. the people have spoken on twitter , asked, bbc on twitter, asked, does the bbc deserve a pay rise? more than 67% said no. 33% said yes. next in my take a ten. they want to ban the word mother. that's .

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patrick's day to and all it might take ten in just a moment as oxfam seeks to cancel word mother. the charity is asking for a fight my mother meets guest is military and former black rod of parliament lieutenant general david leakey . plus tomorrow's papers at exactly 30 sharp but i'll be deaung exactly 30 sharp but i'll be dealing with oxfam story next. they've tried to ban the word mother and by the way, it's mother's day on sunday. we'll discuss that next. the headlines with tatyana sanchez . mark, with tatyana sanchez. mark, thank you and good evening . this thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the uk has welcomed international criminal court decision to issue an arrest against the russian president. the foreign secretary, james cleverly says it's essential to hold moscow to account. the icc accusing vladimir putin of war

crimes, including the unlawful deportation of children from . deportation of children from. ukraine to russia. the has described the claims as and says it doesn't the jurisdiction of the icc . deputy prime minister the icc. deputy prime minister dominic raab says russia must be held to account . the historic held to account. the historic moment in the conflict in ukraine. the international criminal , ukraine. the international criminal, which operates independently , has issued an independently, has issued an indictment for president putin and the children's commissioner. commissioner for appalling crimes against children. and whilst they operate and dependently. it's really important internation community support them and give them the tools do the job which is why tools to do the job which is why i'll be hosting on monday with my dutch opposite number 40 countries world countries from around the world to give them, the support to conduct to conduct the investigations to after witnesses for the after witnesses to care for the for so that can for the victims so that they can see this through. and we hope have accountability for those appalling crimes. have accountability for those appalling crimes . security appalling crimes. security guards at heathrow airport are to strike ten days over easter in. a dispute over pay. you

union says over 1400 of its members at terminal five will walk out from the 31st of march after voting in favour industrial action. the apple says it has contingency plans in place to deal with the strike, but it's urging the union to discuss its proposed 10% pay increase . junior doctors have increase. junior doctors have agreed to further strike action and to pay talks with the government . the health and government. the health and social care department . the social care department. the british medical association representing junior doctors has , agreed to start formal talks . , agreed to start formal talks. more than 175,000 appointments had to be postponed to protect emergency care during . this emergency care during. this week's doctor strike. an nhs boss called the three day walk out on precedented . the bma has out on precedented. the bma has been demanding a 35% pay rise which downing street says would cost an additional £4 billion . cost an additional £4 billion. police constable mary bartley smith will keep her despite being found guilty for attacking

a former aston villa player with a former aston villa player with a taser and. a baton. former striker atkinson died being kicked at least twice in the head by another officer , head by another officer, benjamin monk, who's been jailed for eight years for manslaughter . ms. batley smith was cleared of assaulting mr. atkinson after a trial , but of assaulting mr. atkinson after atrial, but the independent a trial, but the independent office for police conduct found there was a misconduct disciplinary case to answer for her use of force and the prince and princess of wales have been celebrating st patrick's day with the irish gods . kate and with the irish gods. kate and william have attended the st patrick's day parade and. aldershot is kate's first time at the parade as of the regiment. the royal couple also met with past members of the irish gods tv online and the abbey radio show with gb news now is back to mark dolan tonight .

tonight. my thanks to taoiseach , a my thanks to taoiseach, a resplendent in green as am i while resplendent is a big word when i'm concerned, but happy st patrick's day to and all and many thanks for the birthday wishes as well . now on mark wishes as well. now on mark dolan tonight malt meets guest is the renowned military veteran former usher of the black rod in the house of lords and the man who called out former house of commons speaker bercow over alleged bullying. lt general david leakey is live in just a few minutes. plus tomorrow's papers at exactly 1030 with full panel. papers at exactly 1030 with full panel . but first, this papers at exactly 1030 with full panel. but first, this. papers at exactly 1030 with full panel . but first, this . the panel. but first, this. the oxfam, the organisation famous for its shops on the high street selling bags of unwanted are now talking on rubbish as they reveal in their own literature

and guides that the word mother. that's the word mother should not used as it's not a inclusive. what a bunch . inclusive. what a bunch. mothers, fathers are also. for the chop, of course are. blimey. with this politically motivated assault on language , just what assault on language, just what will we be calling these human beings that give birth to babies in the future ? well, oxfam have in the future? well, oxfam have an idea. they suggest eating a f l a, an idea. they suggest eating a f , a, b and am a b an idea. they suggest eating a f ,a,bandamabnow an idea. they suggest eating a f , a, b and am a b now a.f. a an idea. they suggest eating a f , a, b and am a b nowa.f. ab ,a,b and am ab nowa.f. ab for assigned female at birth and am maybe assigned male at birth . you confused and i am afraid b am a b well, i can think of an alternative four letters that start with f. look, i'm old enough and ugly enough not to care what call me. but to rob women of the title mother is the most egregious assault on

womankind. imagine nibble. on top of that brand biological women the source of all humanity . cis women is an amazing insult .cis women is an amazing insult . if you called my own mother woman, she'd give a slap. and by way, for sunday, happy mother's day, mum attacking and debasing women with language is now open season with health services, charities and even corporations describing being women as people with cervix. birthing humans and foetus . if a woman with a child foetus. if a woman with a child can't be called mother anymore, we're in. all of this from so—called gender ideology, which is a philosophy that says men all women that women are men and ignores basic biology and which effectively cancels the female species . this ideology in my species. this ideology in my view is dangerous it's mad and.

it's anti—science. don't my word for it here is one of the greatest experts on fertility. dr. robert winston on question time. just a few years back . say time. just a few years back. say this categorically that you cannot change your sex. your sex actually is there every single cell in the body you have a chromosomal sex you have genetic you have hormonal sex you have all sorts of different has psychological brain sex that all different so—called gender ideology g at its heart hates women. why else would it ban the word mother ? why else would it word mother? why else would it place biological males who i identify as female into women's sport? why would it place biological males who identify as female into women's prisons, women's baths rooms, women's changing rooms, and even into women's rape centres ? the world women's rape centres? the world has spun so far off its moral axis that to speak up women's

hard won rights and their freedoms, and safeguarding will now see anyone who challenge this madness viciously attacked. genden this madness viciously attacked. gender, ideology is even bad news for lesbians whose work i've enjoyed online for many years. this toxic gender ideology , by definition, ideology, by definition, incredibly , because it says that incredibly, because it says that if a lesbian is not to a trans woman. in other words an intact biological male with the full meat and two veg, then she is a bigot. a tough , transphobic . bigot. a tough, transphobic. except the, ladies , you're a bad except the, ladies, you're a bad person. this progress is it? you might think this woke madness will blow , but it won't. we put will blow, but it won't. we put up it to make it go away. but by up it to make it go away. but by up with it, it means it never. this woke stuff, which millions on the left also , hate may not on the left also, hate may not affect now, but a hurricane doesn't affect you until it hits your home. oxfam are trying to cancel women. there's nothing

charitable i can say about that an organisation claims it's there to help people is now beyond help . how many women. you beyond help. how many women. you know the old fashioned with vaginas will continue to support this woke charity . you tell me. this woke charity. you tell me. but this occasion oxfam have picked the mother of all fights . it's one they can't win. mother . best if called. my mother. best if called. my mother a woman . she would give mother a woman. she would give you a slap. now, what do you think ? market gbnews.uk . oxfam think? market gbnews.uk. oxfam will argue they are a global organisation offering practical moral support to any vulnerable . their focus is be inclusive so that anyone could benefit from their work . and they would argue their work. and they would argue that importantly , trans people that importantly, trans people own part that because they statistically are some the most prejudged and attacked members of society. all oxfam are doing,

they would argue , is to make the they would argue, is to make the world a better and safer place for its most vulnerable . for its most vulnerable. whatever their gender orientation or . well, i think in orientation or. well, i think in losing the word mother, they've lost the plot. but what do you think , gbnews.uk. lost the plot. but what do you think , gbnews.uk . reacting to my think, gbnews.uk. reacting to my take it ten author and broadcaster peter lloyd, former adviser to boris johnson, political commentator colvera and journalist and columnist nina minskoff. peter over to you . well i mean, you are my african folk in the vulnerable vulnerable faffing around with something which is really a symptom of decadent . why on symptom of decadent. why on earth is this organisation wasting time wasting money wasting time wasting money wasting energy risking public sympathy with some brochure about language usage. it's incredibly patronising and the

irony is that it was billed as a feminist principle to using language. i mean, how ironic is that? so apparently this is feminist language use, but it erases the word mother on the word for the. i mean, it's laughable. and i think, you know, if they are the architects of their own downfall, then unfortunately they deserve it. nina a bunch of mothers. unfortunately they deserve it. nina a bunch of mothers . well, nina a bunch of mothers. well, the thing is, i'm female. i have always i'm a feminist. i've always i'm a feminist. i've always stood up for women's rights. but i also stand up for transgender rights. and i and for human rights, basically human rights are what's important me. but you can look at this from a different angle. i mean, i know on the surface seems completely ludicrous and especially with mother's day coming up on. but there is another to this mother's day is, you know is on sunday. and i've been getting lots of emails from all sorts of companies and supermarkets and mother's day products but they also in the last years have been sending long other emails saying if you draw the if you would find this

upsetting, you know, obviously, if your mother has died or there is a problem, please let us know and we won't send you more of these. i'm for that. these. and i'm all for that. i you know, i don't have a problem, mothers. but you father's day. i lost my father . father's day. i lost my father. i was 12 and i still have a problem on father's day and, you know, if somebody's sensitive enough to think about that, then fine. what i'm going to point you towards is the fact that in in in in studies, in in dealing with disasters, in africa, earthquakes , turkey or what have earthquakes, turkey or what have you , if you are talking to a you, if you are talking to a child, they may not have a mother or father. they have been dead anyway. so to say parent would be a more sensitive thing or who is caring for you who is looking you runs saying where is your mother? where is your father? that's just an aspect. a sensitive aspect. you might care to think this is part of oxfam's without going extrapolating it into all other kind of issues .

into all other kind of issues. and i'd like to think of it in that way. all right. i mean, call there. one particular commentator pointed . this could commentator pointed. this could have legal implications, given the fact that in emergency circumstances, the might not automatically be assigned as the primary care to the child because the word mother has been erased . yes. and i think there erased. yes. and i think there is a fundamental problem here. but firstly, let me throw opportunities to wish happy mother's day to my early who is tuned in and watching religiously show. she religiously to this show. she did great job for a very did a great job for a very nicely brought up young man. keep up . but nicely brought up young man. keep up. but to nicely brought up young man. keep up . but to the point keep up. but to the point i oxfam are having a general ratner moment here. you know they are a fundamental global that have trust and a huge brand eqtu that have trust and a huge brand equity that people buy into for good work, that they do . taking good work, that they do. taking this issue , i have nothing this issue, i have nothing against transgender rights. i think they should be protected. they should be championed as says, but not at the detriment of mothers around the world. not

at the meaning of, as you said, raising the word mother. that is not the way to go about this issue. that saying, well, we'll do some men's self harm on this massive issue that, you know , massive issue that, you know, the whole world understands the role of a mother and the importance a mother. yes, there might be sensitive points when we have to look at how we present the mother figure or reference mother but reference the mother figure. but there figure , the there is a mother figure, the dawn of time. and for oxfam to think that they need to remould redesign erase that redesign and erase that terminology. well, i think that's a stretch too far. i hope they can sort of find a way through this, but are oxfam or wrong to discourage the use of mother in their literature and guides ? let me know. mark guides? let me know. mark gbnews.uk , i'd especially like gbnews.uk, i'd especially like hear from mothers. sorry, birthing humans. we've got the papers at 10th 30 shop with full panel reactions . great front panel reactions. great front pages coming in. already looking forward to sink your teeth into papers at 1030, but next up, my mark meets guest is a military

veteran parliament's former black rod's lieutenant general, david leakey, who by the is the man that called out former speaker of the commons bercow for his alleged bullying. he's called quite the story and he's

next your emails shortly but it's time now for mark meets . time now for mark meets. tonight, the man who called out former house of commons speaker bercow's bullying military hero and former black rod . lieutenant and former black rod. lieutenant general david leakey. as a former gentleman, usher of the black rod, david was responsible . the state opening of parliament summoning members to

parliament summoning members to parliament to the house of lords to hear queen's speech. having commons door slammed in his face and banging on it. commons door slammed in his face and banging on it . a famous and banging on it. a famous black rod's , one of the black rod's, one of the country's most traditions around the world. david was previously a general with a highly distinct career commanding martin national forces on nato and eu operations , counter piracy in operations, counter piracy in the indian ocean and. he has since enjoyed a succession top posts in multiple charity and business organisations . i'm business organisations. i'm delighted to say that david leakey joins us now. welcome to mark dolan tonight sir evening to mark. i'd like to just point out i'm wearing a green shirt put on especially for the occasion. it's my favourite shirt. i'm afraid it's a bit tatty, but is the only green one of god? well look, it's. it's very fetching and it's in a good cause to celebrate st patrick's day. happy st patrick's day to you. aaron david leakey ,

you. lt—gen aaron david leakey, cmg, cvo . what career minute ? cmg, cvo. what career minute? bravery is in the family dna , bravery is in the family dna, isn't it? your father was major general and you are related to. two victoria cross winners . yes, two victoria cross winners. yes, my was always known as the coward of the family. he want to do so in three military crosses in the second world war. but he he was trumped by his elder brother who won a victoria cross. and then more recently . cross. and then more recently. my cousin won a victoria in afghanistan about six seven years ago have . there been years ago have. there been moments, david, in your career when you feared for your life ? when you feared for your life? yes but we don't talk about them , unlike certain members of the royal family. what has your time in the military taught you that

could be of use to us civilians who, with any luck, will never see . war i think to do two see. war i think to do two things. i would think i would just pick on from my military career. one is respect. and speaks to all the things you just talking about with your panel earlier. if people have respect for one another and then you get along much better and people with hate speech , don't people with hate speech, don't exhibit respect for people who are in leadership positions, who don't treat others with are no longer leaders . so respect is a longer leaders. so respect is a big thing . and the second thing big thing. and the second thing i would point out is understand being really understanding . and being really understanding. and i don't think some of and in the present political climate, climate , while some of our climate, while some of our leaders and politicians and senior military and senior servants, diplomats i'm sure they understand the risk and the

tankers and the people who a grasp on international affairs and what's going on in the world and what's going on in the world and russia and china. taiwan taiwan and issues that are going on these days. i'm sure they will understand the risk but i'm afraid that great majority of ordinary people and i count myself as one of those now retired from the military. but the majority of the people i speak , whether it's in the pub speak, whether it's in the pub the local pub in, the shop, the people i work with and they don't really understand the great risks that we are running at the moment, particularly with the russia crisis as it's going at the moment. i think people realise the fact that we are actually war and we, we brits are not fighting and one or two people have gone to ukraine, to fight. but there is, there is a war on. it's a war of ideologies between the russian autocrat city and the western idea of democracy. this is an ideological war that is going

on. it's being fought on the ground at. huge human cost in ukraine and it's being fought in cyberspace in the banking world. it's being fought in the economic sanctions world. and we are feeling the effects of it. and on the ground here with, for example , the shortage of example, the shortage of tomatoes on, supermarket shelves tomatoes on, supermarket shelves to pick a really trivial and frivolous example , but the cost frivolous example, but the cost of living crisis so many things that adversely affect the economic growth of this country, the well—being , particularly of the well—being, particularly of those who worst off in our societies , are a direct, not societies, are a direct, not entirely to blame, but a direct result of the war going on there. and if we don't , a stop there. and if we don't, a stop to that war somehow. quickly then this the problem will continue. and people will start to draw the long wrong lessons if putin wins this war, he's successful. if the west capitulates , then that will set capitulates, then that will set a bad example for what china

might think of doing in taiwan and we already see america with some reluctance and the american population itself is i forget what the exact percentage but it's not unanimously in favour or in support of financial and military or military aid to ukraine. that's in the balance . ukraine. that's in the balance. and if the republican party was to win the next american election , presidential election election, presidential election , then that situation might even get worse . and then what lesson get worse. and then what lesson the chinese take from that if they were to i think about taking taiwan back into the greater china and what would that mean for escalation and i think people don't realise the risks. so you ask me two questions. one is respect really important and the other is understanding risk. important and the other is understanding risk . the clock's understanding risk. the clock's against us. david briefly , if against us. david briefly, if you can, can this awful war be

resolved within year. i wish . resolved within year. i wish. and. and i fear it will not be resolved within the year because there is a effectively stalemate . the conventional fighting on the ground in the east of ukraine and everybody around ukraine, including the russians themselves , are being quite themselves, are being quite cautious about not escalating the war. and with a sudden knee and the greatest fear is that if somebody the american , the somebody the american, the germans, the poles, the eu, nato or , putin, the russians do or, putin, the russians do something petulant, or, putin, the russians do something petulant , then that something petulant, then that could be dramatic and irrational response and that is very

dangerous and i think therefore , there will be a continuing stalemate because the status is the calmest way to try and bring the calmest way to try and bring the to war some sort of conclusion . it's a diplomatic conclusion. it's a diplomatic one or whether it's eventually and attritional exhaustion by one or both sides and there you 90, one or both sides and there you go, david, a sobering assessment of the challenges the west faces in in in defeating vladimir putin's aggression . you would putin's aggression. you would argue we've all got skin in that game. we all have a stake in. ukraine's victory lost, but not least former black rod. why is this but eccentric , so important this but eccentric, so important 7 this but eccentric, so important ? goodness me. it really is important . ? goodness me. it really is important. it's ? goodness me. it really is important . it's televisual . it important. it's televisual. it excites people to switch their televisions on at state opening of parliament and look at one of our great traditions a tradition that goes back 500 years. so and

you know , these traditions that you know, these traditions that we have in this are the envy of the world and for the right, they are form the fibres which make up the fabric , the tapestry make up the fabric, the tapestry of our country , of our heritage, of our country, of our heritage, of our country, of our heritage, of our country, of our heritage, of our constitution and our constitution and has been stable for a very, very long time , for a very, very long time, longer than any other country in. europe. i think i'm right in saying and it these sorts of things, the black rotary, as i call it , the guards who stand call it, the guards who stand outside the royal palaces, the queen's birthday , the state queen's birthday, the state ceremonies that we have these are some not all. they're not unique in themselves , but they unique in themselves, but they are some of the landmark which are some of the landmark which are the anchor points our country, our national identity of the stability of our constitution, our heritage institutions, the glue part of the glue that holds us all

together. very important, i think . together. very important, i think. thrilled to together. very important, i think . thrilled to have together. very important, i think. thrilled to have you on the program . join think. thrilled to have you on the program .join us in think. thrilled to have you on the program . join us in the the program. join us in the studio soon my thanks to general aaron david leaky cmd cvo c a thank you sir and lots more to come on mark david. and tonight next up, the papers .

to surprise. welcome back , mark to surprise. welcome back, mark dolan tonight. it's time now for papers without his wife . hot off papers without his wife. hot off the press, we start with tomorrow's daily and they lead with war crime, arrest warrant for putin. president accused of abducting ukrainian children by the international criminal court. vladimir putin has been

issued with an arrest and the russian president has been accused of war crimes, including forcibly deporting at least hundreds of ukrainian children, including orphans to his own country . a bloated covid inquiry country. a bloated covid inquiry may last up to seven years and. also elderly suffer as 1200 gp practises close next stop , the practises close next stop, the daily mail newspaper passport strike threat to holidays. summer holes are risk from a five week strike by passport staff. the walkouts are set to start early next month, just as busiest period for applications underway . the busiest period for applications underway. the guardian nhs doctors offered £5,000 to lure staff into private jobs . yes staff into private jobs. yes indeed. nhs doctors are being cash bonuses of up to grand to

recruit colleagues for jobs at private hospitals as commercial health care providers compete with an overstretched public health service for new staff, us owned hca healthcare , which runs owned hca healthcare, which runs more than 30 facilities in london and manchester, claims to be the largest private provider in the world. it spending thousands of pounds recruiting nhs trained doctors . according nhs trained doctors. according to the guardian . icc issues to the guardian. icc issues putin arrest warrant for war crimes. that story also hearing in the guardian the times newspaper holidays hit as passports staff walk out over pay passports staff walk out over pay and a smile and a half the princess of wales had some guinness after st patrick's day parade bonds barracks in aldershot . the daily mirror now aldershot. the daily mirror now mirror campaign win victory over cruel hunters mps vote to ban importation of animal body parts as sick trophies. importation of animal body parts as sick trophies . the daily as sick trophies. the daily express, bbc faces revolt if

licence rise is a topic covered in our show earlier, i'll get panelin in our show earlier, i'll get panel in a moment. and for now , panel in a moment. and for now, daily star. huge passport delays ahead as strikes shut offices for five weeks. we are not going on a summer holiday just when we really need a. a five week strike is going to cause a summer of passports pandemonium and are your front pages for full reaction and delight to welcome nina minkoff. full reaction and delight to welcome nina minkoff . cool there welcome nina minkoff. cool there ranger and peter lloyd and you go look we have a life swap situation after covid and peter , let's start, if we can . the , let's start, if we can. the bad news cover for holidaymakers . passport strike two threat to holidays. five weeks of strikes, another government body that's downed tools and anxiety levels in people going up immediately as they hear this . you know, as they hear this. you know, evenin as they hear this. you know, even in my household , we have a even in my household, we have a houday even in my household, we have a holiday planned october. but i

know that one of my children's passport is coming to an expiry point we have enough time. i did passport is going to expire early next year. i have to travel for work. i'm other things this adds a level of anxiety to the nation as they go into season for summer holidays . i think we just didn't need it right now. no i mean, everyone's on strike, aren't they? you'll be next. peter i mean, i would to love on strike. really? it would be great. could just put my feet back up a great time, you know, be lovely. know yourself employed so you don't. that's the thing, right? so no, but as i was saying earlier in the show, know, i was the show, you know, i was talking the constant talking about the constant strikes country and that strikes the country and that we were essentially hamstrung and held ransom at an increasing held to ransom at an increasing level. and this just further proof that. i mean , what proof of that. i mean, what i always get from these stories is that they seem to be so cruel, they're so premeditated , they they're so premeditated, they are designed to cause , obviously are designed to cause, obviously disruption. but max in an upset maximum disruption, not just for

adults or government or politicians, but for families , politicians, but for families, for children, you know, for people who just want to go away for a break. i think that's what i find really. we saw that with the rmt going on strike over christmas, right? lynch to claim it over christmas, it it wasn't over christmas, but it was the christmas period. what is timing of this passport is the timing of this passport strike? cruel, you know? well, there's point in on there's no point in going on strike unless . you cause strike unless. you cause disruption who's who's disruption because who's who's going bother us. so it is going to bother us. so it is cruel. well, i think well, it it is any strike is cruel. but on the other hand, what i object to is the demonising of people who withdraw their labour it labour. it's every human's right to withdraw their labour. and if you living in a situation i don't know the situation of the passport office workers but if you're living with a situation where you cannot manage and you are having to go to a food bank or many people are struggling to pay or many people are struggling to pay their bills, can't heat the their homes , can't feed their their homes, can't feed their children, can't allow their children, can't allow their children then there to come

children then there has to come a point where you say, we have to do this better, and it will this the strikes that are now being solved at the moment, like in the health service and i think the rail workers. that's right looks like a deal they are empty nurses are drivers and developing story junior doctors as well. a possible breakthrough . well do you realise why it's taken this long the has deliberately done the rail strike could have been last summer but they would not sit down with the union they would not sit down. it's as soon as and the teachers strike as soon as gillian keegan's agreed to sit down then that's what do you buy that. no i, no i don't because with the rail. rail unions it's the rail delivery group has to negotiate with them. it's not the government's to be negotiating with them . to be negotiating with them. what who's hamstrung the with with due respect by what the government will allow them to do with respect, the maximum

with due respect, the maximum issue here is inflation and increase in public sector pay . increase in public sector pay. and if unions like the us that are demanding at the passport office 10% increase on the government capital. so that kind of increase we fuel the flames of increase we fuel the flames of inflation that we all suffer from. so a negotiating from. so there is a negotiating that needs to happen and it needs reasonable. we have needs to be reasonable. we have to the bigger situation to look at the bigger situation that impacts every single one of us. so, yes, unions have every right and i believe in the right to strike. i believe in the right to take right to free people to take away labour when they are away their labour when they are being treated fairly. but we an economic environment are economic environment that we are having with that's having to deal with and that's why right in the government why the right in the government are the are trying to deal with the unions. with the passport unions. now with the passport issue, will just nice and issue, i will just say nice and though no, i'm not no one here is demonising them. i think we're that there we're all agreeing that there was strike. but we have was a right strike. but we have to understand the context and in this in this country, as in many countries the world, we countries around the world, we have that's what have inflation. that's what the government trying government is trying to deal with all of us, all with which affect all of us, all our salaries, all of our ability to pay for goods, the food , our to pay for goods, the food, our table, everything will continue

to go if we get a grip of to go if we don't get a grip of inflation is the biggest challenge that this country's facing. so i understand and that people are suffering. we all suffering this together. but if we find the flames of we find fuel the flames of inflation increasing pay by inflation by increasing pay by the the amounts the unions the by the amounts the unions are ask for. we just increase the a bargaining the problem. that's a bargaining . it's a bargaining start. didn't the ask for 19.5. well they've settled what for five, 5. so that's a 10% is not going to it is not going to do i hope is that they will negotiate and these strikes won't happen because fundamentally the problem here any of these problem here as any of these rates, of get them rates, any of them get them them around blood, any of these around the blood, any of these services critical whether services are critical whether it's the junior doctors , whether it's the junior doctors, whether it's the junior doctors, whether it's the junior doctors, whether it's the railway workers , it's the railway workers, whether it's the passport office. know critical. they office. we know critical. they affect us all. we need this anxiety at the moment . so let's anxiety at the moment. so let's hope that can be and a hope that that can be and a former policy adviser to boris johnson and these were bubbling away under boris johnson's premiership . they've come to a premiership. they've come to a head for rishi sunak now looking

at deal with the nurses 5. i think there's a covid recovery fee as well . it's obviously it's fee as well. it's obviously it's modest. it's not what they wanted a deal for the rmt possible deal for the junior who's won government or the unions ? i think the unions have unions? i think the unions have fought their corner for public sector pay. the government . no, sector pay. the government. no, i think the unions. britain now. no, i think rishi sunak is demonstrating that he is being a strong prime minister. he's absolutely saying to their wage demands. well hasn't said yes. he's had to negotiate and get to an agreed position but we have to look at private sector pay private. sector pay is not increasing at a level of what we see happening in the public sector. fact, it's stagnating sector. in fact, it's stagnating and therefore, there is an and so therefore, there is an argument about where argument here about where increased happen. i the increased happen. i think the prime minister has do the right thing for whole of the thing for the whole of the country just the public country not just the public sector having to sector and why he's having to hold on negotiation. who's hold firm on negotiation. who's running peter lloyd . running britain? peter lloyd. well, i say that at the moment

it's increasingly unions, but know nina won't like that. but i don't think. are there echoes of the. no, absolutely no. i think not to mention there's absolutely no i think we're headedin absolutely no i think we're headed in that direction. absolutely not. i tell you who i'd like to see running the country. that wonderful army man were david leakey. david leakey . vote for him. i'll a sane human. correct. smart concise, very brave . the field, but not very brave. the field, but not willing to tell me he feared for his life. such as integrity. as a former, you didn't make him like that anymore. an nhs doctors. nina offered £5,000 to lower staff private jobs. another headache . the nhs what another headache. the nhs what it is and you know there's always the worry about, you know privatisation of national health service by stealth which is what's been happening actually and there is the theories that the again the government runs down the national health service

too to bring this in just to just as we always think that's conspiracy theory considering how much cash goes into the nhs, we almost 200 billion a year i'll be running it down. i would i'll be running it down. i would i agree but but it's not, it's not being run. well the problem thatis not being run. well the problem that is the absolute is not being run well and so this is this is you know, if we have a wonderful health service in this country but it's not as good as we'd like it to be. it's not as good as france or it's not as good as france or it's not as good as france or it's not as good as an awful australia. god forbid , you know, things forbid, you know, things collapse in the way that that some people think the government would like them to collapse and then and then we're paying. so what's really interesting is nina . right. what's really interesting is nina. right. does nina have a point? lloyd that point? peter lloyd that the tories deliberately crashing tories are deliberately crashing the into brick wall so they the nhs into brick wall so they can privatise it ? i don't know. can privatise it? i don't know. i mean there might be some merits that argument, but i just think that's got conspiracy theory written all it. theory written all over it. i mean, that is so tonight. i don't know. i just that would be

political theatre. there's tory cronyism. made out of cronyism. money was made out of covid. how money was made covid. how much money was made out covid? tens of tens of out of covid? tens of tens of millions. what do you think ? you millions. what do you think? you know the conservative party, the culture of that party covered. do you think that there are some in it who would like to see the nhs collapse so they can start again? there will always be some people who want to reform the. the currently the labour party's currently talking the nhs talking about reforming the nhs now, is it needs now, but that is it needs change. but i think i've said it on this english channel before and a lot of people are talking about including sir keir starmer, nhs fundamental starmer, the nhs fundamental change, that is change, the funding that is going into it is unsustainable the amounts of it's not run well because that's why we don't get the outcomes that we that we seek to get from . therefore seek to get from. therefore something has to change plus have a two tier health system now existing in this country is private and public. it's happened. it's not privatisation . it's a choice for people. they can , if they can afford it, to can, if they can afford it, to go private. and that's what's happening by stealth. private health care expanding in this

country . now, the question is, country. now, the question is, where does that leave the nhs and what is the future for the nhs? if people choose to opt out of it? nina because the nhs cocked up with that focus, obsessive focus on on covid and essentially locking down, there's a waiting list of 7 million people and therefore i've got viewers and listeners who are borrowing money or saving up to pay operation saving up to pay for operation as they're effectively paying twice treatment. they are, twice for treatment. they are, but also there's a story on the front page of the telegraph elderly sufferers. gp elderly sufferers. 1200 gp practises . yes. so don't practises closed. yes. so don't we need to look at how gp practises are run? yeah don't we need to look at the whole social care that that all needs care system that that all needs reform you know , i put this out reform, you know, i put this out because i have no idea. shouldn't take back control of gp's into entering into into government hands so that we don't have i don't know, i don't know anything this but but it seems to me that gp practises are not working for patients . if

are not working for patients. if you go into if you're going to practise and there's nobody there, it's impossible to get an appointment. well you say that , appointment. well you say that, but there's nobody there that the plenty of space and plenty of time. and yet a&e stuffed a&e is over, completely overrun . so is over, completely overrun. so something is wrong somewhere. okay fascinating stuff. well, we've got many more things to debate. we've got more from pages coming, including the independent next. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to mark dolan tonight . reacting to the big tonight. reacting to the big stories of day, author and broadcaster peter lloyd , former broadcaster peter lloyd, former adviser to boris johnson, covid arranger and journalist and columnist nina metcalfe . next columnist nina metcalfe. next up, hot off the press. we have the independent and they lead

with one seat for war crimes and stealing ukraine's children . stealing ukraine's children. vladimir putin issued extortion arrest warrants by international criminal court. also in the indy prince harry told the then queen, we can't afford security until meghan and i earn our own money. and those are your front pages. money. and those are your front pages . had money. and those are your front pages. had the mirror at the express the star in the telegraph and can we go back folks . to one of the papers and folks. to one of the papers and it's the express called the bbc faces revolt if the licence fee rises . we discussed this earlier rises. we discussed this earlier with john sargeant, former chief political correspondent of the bbc, a possible a possible hike in the cost of the licence fee from £159 to 173. yes it looks like another owen goal probably coming up for the bbc after lineker gates, because these are the kind of political challenges that we know the bbc are facing in the run up to review of the royal charter , how it tackles royal charter, how it tackles the economic model it's facing

against other platforms, whether people it. and people want to defund it. and this is now another issue that's really to for really going to run for them. and the is, after the and the question is, after the lineker how damage is the lineker gate, how damage is the brand of the bbc and how fragmented is debate about people who are supporting the kind of issues that that threw off about individual presenters , the authority that they have, how they can be impartial or not, as case may be, and the authority of bbc executives, including the director—general. now we're looking at the price going up. i think this adds fuel to the fire of that debate because want to understand what the bbc is about and what it's going to stand for if they're going to stand for if they're going to stand for if they're going to continue pay for it going to continue to pay for it as price goes peter as the price goes up. peter can't as the price goes up. peter cant beeb as the price goes up. peter can't beeb make with three can't the beeb make with three and a half billion pounds a year? well, you would think so you'd think they'd be able to get along just fine with that amount of money. but apparently not. and you know, they're exploiting people who are already suffering your of already suffering your cost of living crisis. they to squeeze even more money out of them. it's absolutely outrageous.

well, what. what we well, i tell you what. what we should our money on, should be spending our money on, nina guinness because nina minkoff is guinness because is patrick's day. you're is st patrick's day. you're wearing green nail wearing some lovely green nail varnish, if you've varnish, especially if you've done bit up . peter is done your bit up. peter is rocking emerald t shirts and rocking the emerald t shirts and still hoping for an england win tomorrow . that's to be so , you tomorrow. that's to be so, you know, just to get some some bling. i don't think that's for. but everybody knows how dreadful that was. what was it, 162 to 4, something like. but they didn't look . not a something like. but they didn't look. not a good something like. but they didn't look . not a good look something like. but they didn't look. not a good look . something like. but they didn't look . not a good look . well, look. not a good look. well, look. not a good look. well, look. happy st patrick's day to everyone. we all love it. the world comes out to celebrate. but it kept spiritual roots but has it kept spiritual roots or is it just an excuse to married and marry on guinness? is st patrick's day? an excuse go down the pub and sink pints of can i say show me, hope so cheltenham was fantastic this this week britain itself the racing well done to the jockey club tara's a friend mine is there but the guinness was drunk . the horse racing was

fantastic. and that showed, you know, people having great time when people talk this country down less, not less , that people down less, not less, that people are having a great time . and are having a great time. and actually, we have things to celebrate. and i think that was fantastic. in a week that's been riddled with strikes, political strife over the budget , i'm glad strife over the budget, i'm glad cheltenham rugby cheltenham and i hope the rugby at the gives people something to cheer birthday cheer as well as your birthday will bless you for that? will god bless you for that? thanks for reminding me, but it's a celebration of. st patrick. an irish patrick. it's an irish celebration, nina . why is it so celebration, nina. why is it so globally popular? i think it's not globally. it's america with a with because they they've got a with because they they've got a huge , you know, irish heritage a huge, you know, irish heritage there. i mean, have ever been in america on stage crazy yorkers banter? yeah which is the headquarters of coca—cola. then they fountains. they have coca—cola. they turned all the fountains green. i mean, it's just bonkers what they do there. the st patrick's day parade. and of course there is you know there is a big ex—pat irish community in in america and you've got the sort of the ted

kennedy dynasty political so it's a big thing but i wonder whether it's just fact that around the world people irish culture. well they do and i think also the is not unconnected with alcohol that's it that way you know it's got an alcoholic drink attached to it the executive move, isn't it? absolutely. for that's crack and for the crack and i remember this. guinness has years guinness things guinness is good for you got iron in it. i mean i don't drink i don't drink it. women were prescribed in the seventies. he used to tell people drink it. if you're people to drink it. if you're anaemic, for yeah. anaemic, it's for you. yeah. there go. now, listen, this there you go. now, listen, this is hardly story to end is hardly a jolly story to end on, but a war crime arrest warrant for peter lloyd . this warrant for peter lloyd. this guy is no doubt guilty of war crimes, but i mean , is this crimes, but i mean, is this going to have any impact whatsoever ? is he quaking in his whatsoever? is he quaking in his boots? no, i as if he is now. he doesn't care. you really think he's bothered about this ? i he's bothered about this? i think is more of a pr think this is more of a pr exercise but well, i was exercise really. but well, i was . but having heard what you're guessed, lieutenant general

david leigh, he didn't say, you know, he is effectively saying this is a long war, this is going to go and things like this need happen to remind people of what's on. i agree that the front people's minds because we are invariably in a third world war and we need to keep the pressure on but keep the focus on. that's really i mean, when i say that it's a pr exercise, there's no way that plot is going to up at the kremlin. but that's exactly exactly. yeah. good with that . well, look, good luck with that. well, look, a fantastic debate we've had many to to covid nina and many thanks to to covid nina and to peter and most importantly to you for company. to peter and most importantly to you for company . you're you for your company. you're listening radio listening on the radio or watching on tv. do join me. we're tomorrow from eight till 11 for the people's hour. martin and much more. next up , it's and much more. next up, it's headliners hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey . here's your jonathan vautrey. here's your latest update from . the met latest update from. the met office. many of us will have to hold out until sunday for the best. the weather throughout this weekend through friday evening and into saturday. it's low pressure. that is much in charge, bringing a front's

across much of uk and germany unsettled set up. so as we move throughout the friday evening there will be showers and longer spells of rain across much all areas of the country. a few clearer spells here, there and where that comes , lighter winds. where that comes, lighter winds. we could see the odd and fog patch forming, perhaps some sea fog forming around some coastal as well. but underneath that cloud , temperatures won't be cloud, temperatures won't be dropping far at all around dropping too far at all around 7 to 9 degrees celsius, just that bit chillier up in the far north shetland, down to around 40 degrees celsius throughout saturday. a continued risk saturday. then a continued risk of showers throughout the day. more persistent across areas of scotland and northern ireland turning quite damp here at a turning quite damp for here at a time some of the showers across england and wales could certainly and there's certainly be heavy and there's a risk and full of risk of some hail and full of storms the mixture there. storms in the mixture there. well, but you're the sunny well, but you're in the sunny intervals between, intervals in between, it will feel pleasant. the feel relatively pleasant. the highs around 15 degrees celsius, quite up above par for the time of year four saturday evening. thatin of year four saturday evening. that in the north continues to push its way eastwards, could see some stronger winds for a

time highlands and time across the highlands and into with coastal into orkney with some coastal gales. elsewhere , showers gales. but elsewhere, showers will ease their off will tend to ease their way off as we move into the night. so a slightly chillier night to come here underneath clearer intervals, means that we intervals, but it means that we off much more drier off sunday with much more drier weather and actually like weather around and actually like a fine day for many of a pretty fine day for many of us. some cloud just lingering across the far east coast of england and the cloud will begin build throughout northern ireland well later the ireland as well later on in the day. and these frontal day. and it's these frontal systems that will then start pushing rest uk as pushing across rest of the uk as we into the start of the we move into the start of the new working low then new working week. low then returns we move into new week returns as we move into new week and it will turn unsettled once again further spells of again with further spells of cloud and rain. but temperatures generally staying on the mild but .

by evening. i'm tatiana sanchez with your latest news headlines. the uk has welcomed the international criminal court's decision to issue an arrest against the russian president. the foreign secretary, james cleverly says it's essential to hold to account the is accusing vladimir putin of war crimes, including the unlawful deportation of children from ukraine to russia . the kremlin ukraine to russia. the kremlin has described the claims as outrageous and says it doesn't recognise the jurisdiction of the icc . deputy prime minister the icc. deputy prime minister raab says russia must held to account the historic moment in the conflict in ukraine. the international criminal , which international criminal, which operates independently, has issued an indictment for president putin, the children's commission. commissioner for appalling crimes against children . and whilst they children. and whilst they operate independently , it's operate independently, it's really important the international community support them and give them the tools to do the job which is why i'll be

hosting on monday my dutch opposite number. 40 countries from around to world them from around the to world them the support the the support to conduct the investigations after investigations to look after witnesses to care for the for the victims so they can see the victims so that they can see this through and we hope have accountability for those appalling crimes. now the homes has accused critics of the four one day plan of peddling a, quote, completely false narrative in an effort to get the policy . suella braverman the policy. suella braverman says rwanda is planning to take thousands of asylum seekers, not the 200 some have claimed. she's on a two day visit to the central african nation to see support structures being developed and reaffirm the uk's to the scheme. it involves sending people that arrive in the uk on a small boat to have claim assessed in rwanda , which claim assessed in rwanda, which ms. breitman has described groundbreaking security guards at heathrow airport at a strike ten days over easter and a dispute pay. the unite union's says over 1400 of its members at

terminal will walk out from