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, 930. i'm jacob rees—mogg, the member of parliament for north east somerset and a former government minister. for years i've walked the corridors of power both westminster and power in, both westminster and the london campaigned the city of london. i campaigned in democratic vote in the largest democratic vote in the largest democratic vote in ireland story. i know. this country has so much to be proud . need have the arguments . we need to have the arguments to discussions we make it to discussions on how we make it better . the wisdom of nation better. the wisdom of the nation is its vox populi. vox that's is in its vox populi. vox that's why i'm joining the people's. join me monday and thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, britain's news channel. hello it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. a grey, damp , breezy day office. a grey, damp, breezy day today for many us, but it is much milder for the vast majority compared with recent days. we've got a of weather fronts moving through. we've seen a warm front move through. that's the milder air from the southwest with its tightly packed highs of gusty winds and a cold front pushing in from the afternoon . some spells of rain afternoon. some spells of rain on it. initially affecting northern or western england. parts of wales as well as much

as scotland a damp afternoon to come here gusty as well. come here with gusty as well. some brightest ahead of some brightest guys ahead of that anglia in that front for east anglia in the southeast and brightest guys as clears northern ireland, as it clears northern ireland, although temperatures to 15 or even 16 celsius here, we could see some sharp showers or even a few rumbles of thunder into the afternoon and evening. and those showers will spread into central and scotland the and southern scotland during the evening well. some hefty evening as well. so some hefty downpours across central and southern of england. we've got spells of rain as. southern of england. we've got spells of rain as . the cold spells of rain as. the cold front down, the rain front slows down, the rain easing for a time during the early but a lot of cloud and with the cloud in the air coming from the south and southwest it's going to be a mild night away from the far north. low single figures for shetland, but otherwise the majority otherwise for the vast majority mid figures mid to high single figures rainfall returns across southern and southeast england . as we and southeast england. as we begin friday, an area of rain clearing some through the morning. elsewhere a lot of showers occurring , some heavy showers occurring, some heavy downpours with hail across central and southern parts of

but in between some sunny spells andifs but in between some sunny spells and it's not a warm afternoon with temperatures 60 and possibly even 17 celsius in some central and northeastern parts. the continue for a time on friday evening and actually there'll be some longer spells of rain across parts of western into northern scotland later as well. but it's another mild night and so saturday we start off with that mild air, a lot of cloud again on saturday with spells of rain, especially in the north drier on . the north drier on. sunday good afternoon and welcome to real britain with me emily carver on your tv online and digital radio . now we have got digital radio. now we have got a jam packed show for you today. home secretary has arrived in rwanda. she wants to reaffirm her to the airport nation policy, legal challenges are

very much still ongoing , but very much still ongoing, but she's insisting the plan will still go . we'll be debating still go. we'll be debating whether that policy is still workable in the show. then boris johnson fighting for his political future. but does he deserve one he may have been re selected as the conservative candidate for constituency earlier this week, but next week he will face four hour grilling the privileges committee that save a partygate. whether he misled parliament, do you think he deserves a political future or do you think like some of his allies said, that this is a bit of witch hunt? we'll be debating that. of witch hunt? we'll be debating that . and since the budget, that. and since the budget, there been a huge response there has been a huge response to government's child care to the government's child care policy , giving 30 free hours of policy, giving 30 free hours of childcare , new mums to family. childcare, new mums to family. do you think that's the right way to go ? should we actually be way to go? should we actually be encouraging young mothers, women to stay at home for longer? that will be spicy debate later in the show , i'm sure. but for now, the show, i'm sure. but for now, let's get the news headlines with armstrong . hi there.

with aaron armstrong. hi there. it's 2:05. i'm out armstrong with the latest headlines as the home secretary suella braverman has defended a plan to sell illegal migrants to rwanda after the government confirmed 200 people crossed the channel yesterday following five days of inactive 80 suella braverman in the rwandan kigali where she's given a tour of a housing site which will provide long term accommodation for refugees. now she maintains the government's deportation policy, which has faced some criticism, will act a powerful deterrent for those considering dangerous journey in small boats. the home secretary also visited a training and education where she addressed some of the graduates. we are up to be delighted at, excited about our with rwanda to be creating a community here to be a positive secure beautiful

haven and home for many thousands of people. and i'm really about the contribution that these talented graduates will be making to the prosperity of rwanda and the security of many, many people . donald trump many, many people. donald trump says he to be arrested on tuesday and writing on his truth social site. he told his to protest and take nation back. the district attorney's office is likely bring charges against the former us over an alleged hush money payment made to the aduh hush money payment made to the adult film star stormy daniels that was in the run up to the 2016 election. now the twice impeached former president criticised the attorney's office for being corrupt . and rail for being corrupt. and rail passengers will be facing even further misery if new money is not found for at union negotiations. that's the warning from the rmt as thousands of its

members at, 14 train operators have walked out . the pictures have walked out. the pictures you're seeing is course of the and pays chief executive has resigned with immediate effect. it follows reports that peter morrell, who's also nicola sturgeon husband is the threat of a vote of no confidence following a row over the party's numbers. in a statement he said while there was no intent to mislead, he expects that has the outcome . well let's update you outcome. well let's update you with the rail strike story because mick lynch from the rmt is warning passengers face further misery on the railways unless new is found for those . unless new is found for those. union that's the warning anyway, as of the rmt members at 14, train operators have walked out . that's for the second time in the space three days. it's led to widespread with fewer than 50% of trains services across the country expected to run . the country expected to run. mick lynch says transport ministers need to follow the example set by their in the

department of health. we need the change need the government to make a change in a true there's a bit of that this week we've seen in the health service and maybe in the teachers unions the in those deals the difference in those deals that conditions, that there are no conditions, that there are no conditions, that it's new money for our members having to swallow or expected to swallow vast changes to their working and they're not prepared to do in order to get very poor pay rise . pakistan's very poor pay rise. pakistan's former prime imran khan has appeared court on charges of . appeared court on charges of. police stormed his residence in lahore earlier this morning and several of his supporters . it several of his supporters. it follows days of standoffs outside . his property with outside. his property with police to arrest him on tuesday . he is accused of unlawfully selling state gifts given to him by foreign dignitaries while in office . and the rac says diesel office. and the rac says diesel drivers are not enjoy the savings from the freezing of the fuel duty despite making more money. says major fuel retailers

are not reducing prices despite fuel rates they pay falling to a 15 month low at the company. also found retailers are taking an average profit margin of nearly $0.90 for every litre they sell and that is compared with $0.09. last year. they sell and that is compared with $0.09. last year . and gary with $0.09. last year. and gary says the support he's received from his colleagues at the bbc is gratifying and quite beautiful. the match of the day presenter was taken off air last week after comparing the language used to launch the government's new illegal migrant policy with that of 1930s germany. he will be back later. cover the fa cup quarter final between city and burnley . and is between city and burnley. and is it for the moment? be back with another news bulletin in about half an hour's time .

half an hour's time. yes to real britain. here's what's coming up on show this houn what's coming up on show this hour. it's rishi sunak proving his doubters wrong . the prime his doubters wrong. the prime minister has made progress on a deal with northern ireland inflation coming down. he's agreed a deal with france on immigration and even looks like the pay dispute with the nhs could be coming to resolution. but there is further strike action scheduled . who's winning? action scheduled. who's winning? all unions. we'll be debating that then . the home secretary that then. the home secretary suella braverman arrived in rwanda earlier today. she insists she's committed to the deportation policy but with legal challenges ongoing. is the policy actually workable? let me know what you think . the prime know what you think. the prime minister is expected to give tory mp a free vote on boris johnson's future in politics. that's if a committee finds he misled parliament about downing street parties during . the street parties during. the pandemic. his political future at stake. but does he deserve one? and the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant for vladimir putin. the alleges the russian

president responsible for war crimes, including the unlawful deportation of children from ukraine to russia . but what ukraine to russia. but what impact will this actually have? that's what we're talking about for the next hour. as always, i would love to know your thoughts on today's topics, please tweet me news or call the emily. me at gb news or call the emily. you can email me on gbviews@gbnews.uk . you can also gbviews@gbnews.uk. you can also watch us online on youtube . stay watch us online on youtube. stay tuned . so strikes the head of tuned. so strikes the head of the rmt union, mick lynch has said transport minister should follow the example of the department of as train passengers face disruptions today due to strikes . nhs staff today due to strikes. nhs staff in england have been offered a 5% pay rise from april . that's 5% pay rise from april. that's in a bid to end future industrial action . a month long industrial action. a month long strike from the passport office may also put tens of thousands of summer holidays at risk. it's a mixed picture certainly, but with the government seemingly close to resolving the pay dispute with the is this a win

for the or for the government ? for the or for the government? joining me now is executive editor of critic magazine, sebastian millbank and former editor the sun and daily disclosure founder. kelvin mackenzie, thank you very much indeed , kelvin. now, perhaps indeed, kelvin. now, perhaps i've got rose tinted glasses , i've got rose tinted glasses, but it seems to me that rishi sunakis but it seems to me that rishi sunak is getting things done. could be the latest step down from the. the health union's actually show that she's got got this right . well it's a handsome this right. well it's a handsome i must be honest with you and therefore i'm not surprised. i accept today . i think therefore i'm not surprised. i accept today. i think , i think accept today. i think, i think on your news item there was it was the crunch point which is coming with the 2 to 2 sets of pubuc coming with the 2 to 2 sets of public sector workers junior doctors who say they want god knows where to fill up pay packets. and they are . now, the packets. and they are. now, the issue with the rmt is it is not simply about pay. well, what the

what the employers said is you guys have to have less. you've got to have new modern ways of doing things. now, i've been through this pain a whopping and the printing unions had won every battle for a thousand years. so it was no surprise that they when they were defeated, there was an almighty round the rmt. what they're saying is we want the money, but we don't to change the way we work. that is not acceptable. so this dispute is going to go on for, i hope, a long time until the employees win . at the end of the employees win. at the end of the employees win. at the end of the day, it is the passengers who are now fund ing this business with the bmi . i'm less business with the bmi. i'm less sure that there will be a deal which could done in line with the way that the nurses and the ambulance workers they want . ambulance workers they want. they want it like 25, 27% more money. they're not going to this. and what they have proved

and there was 177,000 procedures in appointments scrapped over the three days is they don't care what pain they put you or , care what pain they put you or, your relatives or your mum or dad through and there is there is to my i know one person who's had a very discomforting moment over all this and their doctors so if they don't if they don't care who does care for them. so i'd love to hear a justification from either a doctor or , anybody from either a doctor or, anybody but how the bmi can possibly act in this manner. i find absolutely disgusting and. sebastian hard to argue with that , isn't it? as kelvin sebastian hard to argue with that, isn't it? as kelvin said, 175,000 to appointments, procedures were cancelled because of the junior doctors strike. are they losing the moral high ground ? well, it's moral high ground? well, it's hard to argue that it's disgusting and disgraceful that that happened. i think where it

becomes much harder to agree is the idea that it's purely the fault of staff. you this is a situation that government has allowed to happen and i mean, just pull these strikes in german perspective of, you know, pubuc german perspective of, you know, public sector pay was due to increase about 2% on average, whereas private sector has increased by 6. at the same , increased by 6. at the same, this is in the context 10% inflation. so we're all worse andifs inflation. so we're all worse and it's all because of massive strategic by this government, you know , because of poor you know, because of poor choices , public policy that have choices, public policy that have been going on now over 20 years or longer. know it's because of the industrialisation, because of weak energy policy. is the same point going on to some small group of workers . i agree small group of workers. i agree is a poor thing. when public sector workers, especially the nhs, is out strike and they shouldn't. they shouldn't be doing it. but we, the government has helped create the situation. they create. they've created a situation in which doctors are forced to choose between , you forced to choose between, you know, living, living in a

completely declining, underfunded or going on strike and neither of those outcomes are good . kelvin all the greedy are good. kelvin all the greedy . well, i mean , let's face it, . well, i mean, let's face it, they don't. if we're talking about doctors they are the cream of the crop, they are the they are the prize academia with with their idea of what results and they're very bright people and they're very bright people and they are, to my mind, worth more money. i absolutely no doubt about that . i'm not inclined pay about that. i'm not inclined pay them through the public purse . i them through the public purse. i don't want to see the nhs continue. if they want more money, they should go outside and i would be delighted if there were a system of insurance or private payment where you could claim your time , who claim could claim your time, who claim your money back rather than the system. now, where caught up in some rather disgraceful organised labour of which they then send us the bill and say you're going pay this or we are

going to work, we're going to let your die, we're going to let we're to we're going to not we're to we're going to not we're not we're not even going to look after any we no doctor even look after care. i do you know what i i've seen two great shocks in my last 25 years. one is the fact that the rmt cause any damage until you want. go on strike, mate. go on strike as long as you like. we're work our way round it. but the other thing that really upsets me is the manner in which members of the manner in which members of the particularly doctors are prepared to say . there the particularly doctors are prepared to say. there is no price . we won't make you pay but price. we won't make you pay but our pay . i honestly urge them our pay. i honestly urge them get out of the nhs and go into private. well that's the thing, sebastian. the bma is talking about how the nhs is as a socialised system , we all pay socialised system, we all pay into it. everyone has universal , but the doctors themselves seem be voting with their feet moving . places like australia ,

moving. places like australia, america where there's a totally different system where essentially the market decides how much a doctor is worth. surely these all of these strikes a symptom of a public sector . lots of public sector sector. lots of public sector services that stuck in the past . well, they're certainly stuck in the past. and a health care system failure. but i do want to be careful here about this idea that we can shift into the private sector, because fact private sector, because the fact is a modern the costs of is that in a modern the costs of health are always socialised one way or another. if you look at someone like america, the overall amount they on health care vastly higher we do care is vastly higher than we do at government level. never mind private i think we private sector. now, i think we need more resources in nhs, in health care sector and i'm not against finding ways get private investment in that whether that's insurance not insurance system. i'm i'm not i'm closed my mind to that but i think it's naive to think that we can individualise this that we're all going to pay the cost one way or another of ill of social care of all things. so what it

would be nice if sorry to interrupt you, but would be nice if there was a little bit of creative thinking and learning from the best practise the world from the best practise the world from a government. perhaps that's much to ask. that's a bit too much to ask. thank very much indeed to thank you very much indeed to kelvin mackenzie there, the former and daily former editor, the sun and daily disclosure sebastian disclosure founder and sebastian millbank, executive editor of disclosure founder and sebastian millcritic. executive editor of disclosure founder and sebastian millcritic. thank ve editor of disclosure founder and sebastian millcritic. thank you ditor of disclosure founder and sebastian millcritic. thank you very of disclosure founder and sebastian millcritic. thank you very much the critic. thank you very much indeed joining us this afternoon. know you think afternoon. let me know you think about we're moving to, on about that. we're moving to, on well, a potential global financial crisis suisse financial crisis credit suisse ought meetings to assess ought to hold meetings to assess strategic scenarios for the firm as a make or break as it enters a make or break week . and swiss bank was week. and the swiss bank was thrown a $54 billion lifeline line on thursday following a collapse in its share price , collapse in its share price, which stock market tumbling which sent stock market tumbling less than a week after silicon bank collapsed, prompting fears of another global banking crisis shed some light. this i am joined by the macro economist philip pilkington. philip thank you very much indeed. a lot has happened over the past week or so.can happened over the past week or so. can you bring us up to date

quickly? yes so obviously this kind of started with the collapse of silicon valley buying and that was a bank that landed venture capitalists and start—ups and so on in silicon valley . and there was a scare valley. and there was a scare was a run on the deposits. there are kind of classic bank run and the federal reserve ended up bailing out those and they gave the sense that if they failed, that those depositors would kind of, you know , stem the bleeding of, you know, stem the bleeding in the banking system . that in the banking system. that hasn't seen hasn't happened. we've seen other other mid—sized, smaller banks like signature in the us go down and their credit suisse is not a small bank and it's not a kind of unusual bank like silicon valley bank. it's a big player and now they're looking effectively to get auto possibly buy blackrock , ubs or some buy blackrock, ubs or some combination the two now credit suisse is obviously being bailed out to the tune of $44 billion. many people would take the view that perhaps we shouldn't be

bailing out banks . if you want bailing out banks. if you want to take, i think the bailout of the department of silicon valley bank was very dubious it clearly didn't stem the bleeding. there was no reason to think it should these were just venture capital to have a lot of money in bank accounts that wasn't insured that was their hold that was up to them to that money. if you run a business you should understand how to deposit works. so i agree with that bailout credit suisse might have fought the block the central schools systemic risk which means that if you don't prop it up it could it could cause the situation worsen. i think there's at least an argument that credit suisse come across. i don't think silicon alley buying it, but this does seem especially the silicon valley bank being the first to be bailed out. my mind said a very precedent for future bailouts . it set the bar said a very precedent for future bailouts. it set the bar very low and i think that's where we're headed as know as more .

we're headed as know as more. and what does this mean for interest ? i'm talking about interest? i'm talking about credit suisse mostly . people credit suisse mostly. people were saying that the central bank might not make decision to bump them up . they did, in fact, bump them up. they did, in fact, go ahead with raising the interest rate. will this have will this have any impact on the bank of england when it decides whether it's going to go ahead with a further interest rate rise ? it might it's very to see rise? it might it's very to see in the bank of england right now harder than usual. but i will say that they went into this tightening cycle with a knowledge that it produce problems in the banking system . problems in the banking system. have those problems been worse than the bank of england expected ? i don't know. nobody expected? i don't know. nobody really knows, except for the people sitting on the monetary policy committee and there is a credible chance that they could lower the interest rates. but then there drop between a rock and place contradiction and a hard place contradiction between their mandate, which is to bring down inflation and stabilising bank. i will say that you expect lending

conditions to tighten the coming weeks because of all this chaos at the bank of england don't really have control over that that will just be a kind of fear based response. the banks like . based response. the banks like. okay, very much indeed okay, thank you very much indeed , philip pilkington. lots to think thank very think about that. thank very much. taking much. macroeconomics taking through macro economist, much. macroeconomics taking through macro economist , taking through macro economist, taking us through what's been going on the markets now. plenty more to come up this afternoon on real britain . the the home britain. the break the home secretary has arrived in rwanda as government's deal to send as the government's deal to send asylum seekers to the country remains many remains mired in very many challenges. don't anywhere .

welcome back. this is real britain on gb news online and digital radio . now suella digital radio. now suella braverman has arrived in rwanda to reaffirm her commitment to the uk's rather controversial deficit tation policy. it's the

home secretary first visit to the african nation after her predecessor, priti patel signed the agreement in april last yeah the agreement in april last year. that was in a bid to deter illegal small boat crossings. of course . our home security course. our home security edhon course. our home security editor, mark white is in rwanda with an update on the latest developments . the home secretary developments. the home secretary is arrival here in kigali is a very public reaffirmation of the uk and the rwandan government's determination to push ahead with the deal to send asylum seekers here. the plan is of course still stuck in the british courts and there's no doubt the government here in rwanda has been stung in recent months by the level of criticism it's received from human rights groups and refugee charities. suella braverman onto counterparts here insist that's a wilful of the country has to offer . it has a wilful of the country has to offer. it has already accepted asylum seekers and other immigrants from countries in africa and the middle east who

the government here in kigali say are making good lives for themselves . indeed growing themselves. indeed growing levels of immigration are a key part of rwanda's growth plan , part of rwanda's growth plan, which includes a burgeoning sector. the government here is prepared say, to take many thousands of asylum seekers if required. but course, any move in that direction will mean many millions more of uk taxpayers money being channelled into the economy here. more accommodation , we're told, is in the pipeline . asylum seekers. well uk government asserts , have access government asserts, have access to all the legal and other support services they'll need . support services they'll need. but even the rwanda plan's most supporters acknowledge there are compromises. this yet a fully developed economy. but as far as the uk government is concerned , the uk government is concerned, it is a vital component to their migration plan. without a third

country willing to take asylum , country willing to take asylum, that plan is almost certain to fail . mark white with , the home fail. mark white with, the home secretary in the rwandan caphal secretary in the rwandan capital, kigali . what gets all capital, kigali. what gets all best jumps? joining me now is , best jumps? joining me now is, the political commentator, reem ibrahim and research fellow at the group, ben lock nine. reem, thank you very much for joining us. i'll start with you. what's so bad about sending asylum seekers to rwanda be processed ? seekers to rwanda be processed? well, emily, the scheme has already cost taxpayers . already cost taxpayers. a whopping £140 million. and so far migration from illegal migration numbers haven't been reduced at all. so just partly due to the legal challenge , but due to the legal challenge, but also just the fact that this policy clearly is not working. it is quite unpopular politically and yet magically there is no problem with sending people abroad when they come here illegally in the first place. but actually, when is costing taxpayers so much and

clearly is working hard and this money is going towards things like seed and accommodation costs . so clearly this policy is costs. so clearly this policy is working what we need instead , in working what we need instead, in my view, is to that is an criminal gangs that are bringing people over here illegally and actually instead introduce more legal and safe . benjamin ree legal and safe. benjamin ree makes a decent there about the cost of this policy. it does seem to be enormous and i can only imagine the cost of it will go only imagine the cost of it will 9° up only imagine the cost of it will go up and up . yeah, i agree with go up and up. yeah, i agree with a lot. what you said up to the point where we need to introduce safe and legal rates. we do have safe and legal rates. we do have safe legal for legitimate asylum seekers and refugees, but we don't have a safe legal route for people who are not refugees who very often are coming for economic migration or they're coming to be trafficked into criminal gangs and back market in britain for those people we don't want to introduce routes and normalise and legitimise what is a very bad practise. so

we need make sure that there's a line between legitimate and people who seek to take advantage of britain and. those people should never be allowed there. and when do come in, they should be deported. well, reem, a people are. you said a lot of people are. you said the policy wasn't particularly popular politically . but poll popular politically. but poll after poll does show that people want the government be tough . want the government be tough. illegal migration, tough on an equal crossings. illegal migration, tough on an equal crossings . as benjamin equal crossings. as benjamin said, there are safe and routes available . how would you end the available. how would you end the practise of people popping into a dingy and heading over the channel to get to the uk? we knew that once they're here it's difficult to deport them, yet . difficult to deport them, yet. yeah, i've seen it, but at the moment safe legal routes for asylum seekers are private underneath the number of afghan refugees the ukrainians and of course those coming from hong kong.so course those coming from hong kong. so they're all unnecessary. the same amounts of legal routes for everyone that it's sort of claiming asylum. i

think that ben is absolutely right. there are so many that are taking advantage of the system. we saw one in fall migrants in austria that cameron calls the channel came from albania which is very tedious country but i think that the key issue here is that the home office have been a complete and utter failure . the backlog is utter failure. the backlog is now upwards of hundred thousand people. course when those people. and of course when those people. and of course when those people being brought people are being brought up in hotel paid the hotel is paid for by the taxpayer , that's good enough. taxpayer, that's good enough. put up in hotels in the uk or being shipped off to rwanda is going costing money. the going to be costing money. the home office need to clear up this backlog and get through with that . ben, could this be with that. ben, could this be a distraction from the fact that the home office is fundamental , the home office is fundamental, incompetent and unable to process claims quick enough ? process claims quick enough? absolutely you know, you said it. not i, but i could be read more. you know, the home office think for a long time has, the classic department. i think it needs into two or needs to it down into two or three departments. i think it's this might under the this you might suppose under the home secretary's responsibilities to properly, you know, focus all of those

things. so legal migration should really be the job of the foreign secretary needs to do diplomatic relations . france, diplomatic relations. france, for example, to prevent the people leaving the first place. the prime minister bears the brunt of the response . and i do brunt of the response. and i do think sometimes suella braverman gets a bit of stick . she gets a bit of stick. she actually ends up bearing the brunt . all of this brunt. all of this responsibility when really prime minister needs to step up and solve this. that's i mean, reem, a lot of the a lot of accusations to the government from legal activists, from charity , from members of the charity, from members of the public, has been about the language . do you think suella language. do you think suella braverman is should be using forceful, forthright language if we put it that way ? or does she we put it that way? or does she need to demonstrate more to those who she wishes to vote for? the conservative? well honestly think the language doesn't necessarily . and that's doesn't necessarily. and that's where i think a lot of these .

where i think a lot of these. oh, we've lost reem. oh, no, benjamin, would you like to take it away? your final thoughts? yeah, i don't think the language matters i think it's a distraction. it's a very easy thing to say. oh, no, stop being so nasty to these people, stop using words that. but the using words like that. but the reality there's problem reality, there's a big problem that needs be solved. and if that needs to be solved. and if you by talking you distract by talking about the semantics issue the semantics of the issue rather actual issue , rather than the actual issue, you it and kick the you can delay it and kick the can down the road. i think that's well, it that's a very cynical well, it does seem like the government, if they don't get this agreement with sorted and those with rwanda sorted and those flights off the ground, that whole through whole new that's going through will well crumble as well . well, will well crumble as well. well, we wait to see what happens . you we wait to see what happens. you very much indeed, benjamin. look, nine from a group look, nine from the by a group of research fellow there and remember who was on the remember him who was on the other line but she seems to have a bit disappear. it would a still bit disappear. it would be news on tv on dab radio coming up after the break rishi sunakis coming up after the break rishi sunak is expect to give tory mp a free vote . boris johnson's a free vote. boris johnson's future in if a committee finds he misled parliament about those

lockdown parties . but first, lockdown parties. but first, before we discuss that , get a before we discuss that, get a check on the news headlines without . an armstrong . it is two without. an armstrong. it is two 3034. i'm karen armstrong in the newsroom as you have been hearing, the home secretary defended a plan to sell illegal and illegal migrants to rwanda after government confirmed 200 people crossed the channel following five days of inactivity . suella braverman is inactivity. suella braverman is inactivity. suella braverman is in the rwandan capital, kigali, where she's been given a tour of the housing site that will provide long term accommodation for refugees. she maintains , the for refugees. she maintains, the government's deportation policy , which has faced some criticism , which has faced some criticism , will act as a powerful deterrent for those considering dangerous journeys and small boats . home secretary also boats. home secretary also visited a training and education centre where addressed some of the graduates absolutely delighted excited about partnership with rwanda to be

creating vibrant community here to be a positive secure future for haven and home for many of people and i'm really about the contribution that these talented graduates will be making to the of rwanda and the security many many people . donald trump says , many people. donald trump says, he expects to be arrested on tuesday and writing on his site truth social. he called on his to protest and take nation back. the manhattan district attorney's office is likely to bnng attorney's office is likely to bring charges . the former us bring charges. the former us president , bring charges. the former us president, an bring charges. the former us president , an alleged bring charges. the former us president, an alleged hush bring charges. the former us president , an alleged hush money president, an alleged hush money made to the adult film star stormy daniels that was in the run up to the 2016 election. well, the twice impeached former president has the attorney's office for being political , office for being political, politically motivated and. russia's president, vladimir putin is visiting crimea mark

the ninth anniversary of its annexation from ukraine and moscow sees the territory and 2014, eight years before launching a full scale invasion of ukraine, kyiv has vowed to expel russia , crimea and all of expel russia, crimea and all of its occupy territories. tv, online and dab+ radio . this is online and dab+ radio. this is gb news, but will be back in just moment. don't go anywhere .

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to give tory peace a free vote on future in politics. if a privileges committee finds that he misled parliament about those downing street path , the former downing street path, the former prime minister is preparing to appear at a televised hearing wednesday where he will to convince other mps he was not in contempt of the commons when he denied claims about lockdown rule breaking. if the committee find johnson guilty , he could be find johnson guilty, he could be suspended from the commons . find johnson guilty, he could be suspended from the commons. but is the prime minister right? give a free vote. joining me now to discuss this is political commentator and playwright emma burnell and live in the studio is writer and commentator conor thomas and thank you very much indeed for joining today on thomas and thank you very much indeed forjoining today on real indeed for joining today on real britain . conor, i will start britain. conor, i will start with you. some of johnson's allies have said that this whole inquiry into the party and so on into boris johnson's , whether he into boris johnson's, whether he misled parliament etc. has become a bit of a hunt. do you have sympathy with that view? i can see it looks like a stitch

up. i we can see when sue gray was offered the chief of staff job for keir starmer. it didn't exactly look very impartial. i do think impartiality in whitehall a bit of a misnomer because it's obvious you're going to get into politics for some of party or ideological affiliation. but neither here nor there. point being , i think nor there. point being, i think rishi sunak is right give rishi sunak is right to give free vote and not whip them into shape. i do think poor shape. but i do think in poor it's because both boris the very unpopular matt hancock at moment are going to be scapegoats to take the fall for what has been a disastrous policy with and money printing. most people in them voted for it. lots of dopes didn't want to abide by the rules. lots of mps, including rishi sunak attended these sort of cabinet events. even keir starmer appeal. all sorts of . starmer appeal. all sorts of. and if very. yeah, exactly . they and if very. yeah, exactly. they can pin it purely on boris and for the wider eyes of the public . they think can get away. . they think they can get away. i it'll backfire, like i think it'll backfire, like it or and not a big boris or not. and i'm not a big boris anymore, of general anymore, but lots of the general pubuc an public still think he's an election winner . you election winner. and you are shaking head there. i'm guessing

that you do think this is all a witch hunt aided and abetted by labour. witch hunt aided and abetted by labour . are witch hunt aided and abetted by labour. are you witch hunt aided and abetted by labour . are you actually witch hunt aided and abetted by labour. are you actually i mean, seriously , i mean, could is seriously, i mean, could is doing best. i know there's so little meat to this . he's got to little meat to this. he's got to do what he can to make the other side of this argument that. are you kidding me ? this is not an you kidding me? this is not an inquiry into covid. there is inquiry into covid. there is inquiry is covid. it will run and or it will probably run too long. that's what public inquiries do. but this is an inquiry into the politics scandals and frankly, we all know we, all know before we go into it , who the guilty know we, all know before we go into it, who the guilty party self. boris johnson screwed up. he just he did. self. boris johnson screwed up. he just he did . well he's not he just he did. well he's not a big media member he's person that was like him. well conor i mean that's true. there is photo

evidence there that this but these allegations are of course , based on, is he not to. right. yeah.i , based on, is he not to. right. yeah. i don't disagree any of that, which is why i'm very confused of why emma says i'm trying to defend tory party again. i wanted boris to resign because he lockdown in in because he put lockdown in in first place. my point , i don't first place. my point, i don't think even if in principle you give the mps vote on this to oust boris. i that this political move not done on principle to get rid of boris because of them did the same thing . this political move will thing. this political move will backfire because lots of the members of the general public do think and don't think like me and they don't think like me and they don't think like me and they don't think like emma. they still think, well he tried his think, oh, well he tried his best. he's better than ever. best. and he's better than ever. liz who thinks screwed liz truss, who thinks screwed up the sunak the economy or rishi sunak nobody wanted first nobody wanted in the first place. so what they're going to do, the conservatives if they think getting of think by getting rid of boris, they'll get rid of the sort of smell around them at the next election. they're election. no, they're just cement is cement the labour win. emma, is this what? democracy this a case of what? democracy trumps which democracy? because of course, has been re selected only a couple of days ago for

his constituency . would it be his constituency. would it be right then for rishi sunak to allow conservative mps to essentially decide his fate ? i essentially decide his fate? i mean . who cares ? he's a stupid mean. who cares? he's a stupid man . he's a singular man. mean. who cares? he's a stupid man . he's a singular man . and man. he's a singular man. and the idea , boris johnson should the idea, boris johnson should be the front person for the tory is the worst thing that's ever to the tory party . and i the to the tory party. and i the worst thing that ever happened to the tory party, connor , i to the tory party, connor, i wouldn't say that i'm not a big fan of neo liberalism myself, but there you go . i find it but there you go. i find it quite interesting though, when you say about which democracy trumps which democracy because the actual panel of the privileges committee i have noficed privileges committee i have noticed that two of the members of the obviously, it's of the panel, obviously, it's a conservative most conservative majority, but most of the panel of the members of the panel all alan boris critics two of alan out boris critics two of the members are also going not standing re—election, which

standing for re—election, which is , the other is harriet harman, the other conservative gentlemen. so i forget name. so the don't forget his name. so the don't feel any kind of political from the public about this is going to be perceived so you might genuinely a case here of the part trying to get rid and jettison boris because they think he's these bad move but the don't like it and the public don't like it and also the whitehall types and mp and the privileges committee who have no for this. i want to get rid of him just because don't like him. now were of like him. now emma were of course who thought like him. now emma were of course boris who thought like him. now emma were of course boris johnson.�*|o thought like him. now emma were of course boris johnson. well)ught like him. now emma were of course boris johnson. well his1t the way boris johnson. well his career as prime minister ended undemocratic and so far as he was the one who got elected on the initial mandate, which was a big one. can see, even if you don't agree , why some people don't agree, why some people might see this again as being a bit of a stitch up that trumps well basic democracy shall we remind ourselves of exactly why bofis remind ourselves of exactly why boris got elected he got these

elected because he kept sending onto the media to defend his ideas around chris pincher who was accused of a poor behaviour let's put it that way. and he couldn't find a line . boris couldn't find a line. boris johnson not lose over brexit over. johnson not lose over brexit over . any of the things that is over. any of the things that is absolutely onside with a majority of the public with he lost because he kept sending his own staff onto the media to say things they didn't believe and they couldn't hold the line on and ultimately that's a terrible, terrible magic decision. well, yes, no, i think you could certainly say that. i mean rishi sunak now as the new prime minister, he promised intake brodie he promised to be honest, which, of course , most honest, which, of course, most politicians do promise to . but

politicians do promise to. but it does seem like he's making progress in what he set out to do and whose people's priorities and so on and so forth. i don't think he particularly wants to be involved in any of this . he's be involved in any of this. he's got to keep his distance and present himself as someone who is above all this nonsense. yeah, that's why he's given them a free vote. and also then i think he's calculated is i don't want to be the execution a boris's political career so the mps do that then it's out of my hands and hopefully the public don't give me too much i don't think that's a i think that's a very westminster bubble level analysis on his part if that's the case, because most people look at it as red team, the blue and blue team get rid of the and if blue team get rid of the suv- and if blue team get rid of the guy. like. okay, i'll guy. i don't like. okay, i'll vote. vote for team. vote. i'll vote for this team. i don't think rishi sunak has been quite as successful as perhaps you're allowing him to say, because like most politicians keeps saying that he's going to address things like the small and yes, they just pass the legislation. but won't hold my breath really. doing legislation. but won't hold my brwell really. doing legislation. but won't hold my brwell conor, really. doing

legislation. but won't hold my brwell conor, somey. doing legislation. but won't hold my brwell conor, some people ioing legislation. but won't hold my brwell conor, some people might it well conor, some people might say, you know, give him a chance. anyway, we anyway we're going some who are nice i'm positive with a positive outlook might say that anyway. anyway, i'm going to move on to our next topic. the international criminal court has issued an arrest for . criminal court has issued an arrest for. vladimir arrest warrant for. vladimir putin, the icc says the russian president responsible for war president is responsible for war crimes. its claims crimes. they focus its claims the unlawful deportation of children from ukraine to russia the alleged crimes were committed . russia launched its committed. russia launched its full scale in february of last yeah full scale in february of last year. moscow has, of course since denied the allegations labelled the warrants as quote outrageous. so again with me is connor tomlinson , emma burnell. connor tomlinson, emma burnell. emma start with you this time. what does this mean. this is symbol that international community is standing up ? yeah, community is standing up? yeah, absolutely . i community is standing up? yeah, absolutely. i don't community is standing up? yeah, absolutely . i don't know that absolutely. i don't know that will mean anything substantive, but in terms of a as you say,

the way it looks , it's very the way it looks, it's very important. we are saying that so far. no, far no further. so far . and no further. and what russia has done not just the way that it it's invaded ukraine, but the things it's done in that invasion are appalling and horrific and we should not allow that. and they are technically someone who is one of our rich nafions. someone who is one of our rich nations . and we should say we nations. and we should say we accept that carnage. you agree? i think it's all well and good to denounce, obviously, immoral actions . my question is, what's actions. my question is, what's the actual enforcement behind this going to be? but nobody is going to and i'll eat my hat gladly if this happens. but going to march into the kremlin and who putin out in cuffs any time soon any mp or senator graham in america saying putin could be assassinated any moment it's total pipe dream and. i think unfortunately it's going

to happen. this is going to be an impediment to de—escalation. and the only people who are going the going to suffer are the ukrainian people , including the ukrainian people, including the children are currently children that are currently being abducted, which is the reason been given the reason this has been given the russian conscripts who don't want to fight in the first place and citizens of the uk, us and europe who are being to pay the pockets of the military industrial complex as this war is drawn out. so the civilians get anything out of it. but the people in power will get to say what good people will. well, emma mcnamee , one good point emma mcnamee, one good point that think said, well does that i think said, well does this actually have teeth ? does this actually have teeth? does this actually have teeth? does this actually have teeth? does this actually is this actually going to do anything meaningful ? because, of course, russia is not a member country of the icc , as we know. and therefore the icc, the court , the hague has no icc, the court, the hague has no authority in country. so it's highly unlikely that this will do besides potentially allowing international actors to virtue signal . okay did the thing is

signal. okay did the thing is virtue signalling, as you call it is actually quite important signalling that this is what we like . this is who we are. this like. this is who we are. this what we want . like. this is who we are. this what we want. this is what our markets will accept . this is markets will accept. this is what our people will accept. none of these things are bad things. so it's actually okay for us to use mechanisms like the criminal court to say you are out of those of values that we that we believe in. also, it does mean that if he did and i don't expect this to happen, but if he did step foot if putin did step foot in any of the 123 member countries of the international criminal court, then he could be arrest . sure. then he could be arrest. sure. but i don't think kgb agent would be so daft . it is all well would be so daft. it is all well , good saying. we obviously that abducting children and waging is bad. right. got it. so do i. it

has material consequences. and the longer you prolong war and the longer you prolong war and the further you drive russia over to the brics nations, including china who and saudi arabia are going off the petrodollar and they're to stop trading oil between themselves . trading oil between themselves. and when we need oil, they're going to reroute it through india pulling india because they were pulling up and we're up of them on us. and we're going paying nose. and going to be paying the nose. and then taxpayer and then the english taxpayer and all the rest of the people in europe are going be for europe are going be paying for the fundamentally, the reason why. fundamentally, western liberal, democratic are giving military aid to the ukraine are lending their support are taking refugees from that country is because they want to stand up for the freedoms that make all country freedoms that make all country free and make western free and makes parts of eastern europe free. i don't agree and i think i think we've seen so many of the military industrial complex going throughout the middle waging wars mainly for resources but also this area is a policy which they've already all agreed

on.and which they've already all agreed on. and if you do things like blow up the nord stream 2 pipeline and disrupt reliable gas supply and make it really expensive, you give yourself a really convenient excuse , keep really convenient excuse, keep pressing that policy pressing forward on that policy and if everything's really expensive, to expensive, you can look to a crisis say this is the crisis and say this is the reason everything is so expensive and poorly . i would expensive and or poorly. i would say that was just an say that that was just an unintended consequence . russia unintended consequence. russia waging war on ukraine. but emma , now, i don't know. there have been three of these arrest warrants issued presidents in the past . i warrants issued presidents in the past. i think i've listened to both. i think i will agree with you, emma, that virtue signalling on this is well, at best very symbolic and will inspire countries to ukraine further and at worst, yes a bit pointless or meaningless in terms of practise but countries can come together and show allegiance against a despotic authority regime. that's only a

good thing . it is i to take us good thing. it is i to take us back to what i was just saying . back to what i was just saying. theidea back to what i was just saying. the idea that we are going to do net zero because some terrible despotic country threatens . despotic country threatens. that's the reason to do net zero. that's literally whole game plan, right? we need to be energy independent . we need to energy independent. we need to have our own energy. the delivery and cuts wholly and i'm very sorry we've run out of time, but thank you very. we'll get the opinions of our viewers on that one. i'm sure they'll have political have some political and playwright and playwright emma burnell and writer and commentator tomlinson. lots to think about there. now, coming up, we will be real britain. of course, there's plenty coming up on today's show. we're going to have to go to the weather first. that hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the office. a grey, damp and breezy day today

for many us, but it is much milder for the vast majority compared . with recent days we've compared. with recent days we've got a number of weather fronts moving . we've already seen moving. we've already seen a warm front move that's brought the milder air from the southwest with its tightly packed ice of gusty winds and. a cold front pushing in from the afternoon with some spells of rain on it, initially affecting northern western england, parts of wales as well as much as a damp afternoon to come here with gusty winds as well. some guys ahead that front for anglia ahead of that front for anglia in the southeast and, brightest guys as it clears northern ireland as temperatures rise to 15 or even 16 celsius here, we could see sharp showers or even a few rumbles of thunder into the afternoon and evening. and those showers spread into central and southern scotland the evening as well. so some hefty but across central southern parts of england we've got spells of rain as the cold front slows , the rain easing for front slows, the rain easing for a time , the early hours. but a time, the early hours. but a lot of cloud abouts and with the cloud and the air coming from

the south and southwest. it's going to be a mild night away from the far north. low single figures for shetland but . figures for shetland but. otherwise vast majority otherwise for the vast majority mid to single figures. mid to high single figures. rainfall returns across southern and southeast england as we begin friday an area of rain clearing slowly through the morning. elsewhere a lot of showers occurring , some heavy showers occurring, some heavy downpours with hail possible across central and southern parts of england. but in between some sunny spells and it's not a warm afternoon with . warm afternoon with. temperatures reaching 60 and possibly even 17 celsius in some central and northeastern parts . central and northeastern parts. the showers continue for a time on friday evening and that actually will be some spells of rain across parts of western scotland into northern scotland later as well . but it's another later as well. but it's another mild night . and so on saturday, mild night. and so on saturday, we start off with mild air, a lot of cloud. again saturday with spells of rain, especially the north drier. on sunday. you've probably seen politicians interviewed a thousand times, but we do it differently . we

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in england will receive free childcare for children under five live. we'll also hear from homeland security editor mark white, who's currently in rwanda , also on the government's plan to tackle channel migration and should tiktok be banned. full stop in the uk. that's after it was it won't be allowed on phones we'll be debating that too with a few experts, plenty more coming up on the show. but first, let's get the news with karen armstrong . hi there . it's karen armstrong. hi there. it's a minute past three. i'm karen. the gb newsroom, the home secretary's a plan to send illegal migrants to rwanda after government confirmed 200 people crossed the channel yesterday following five days of inactivity. suella braverman in the rwandan capital kigali. she's been given a tour of the housing site there which will provide long term accommodation for refugees. she maintains the government's deportation policy, which has been criticised it, will act as a powerful deterrent

for those considering dangerous journeys and small boats. the home secretary has also visited training and centre where she addressed some the graduates. we are absolutely delighted and excited about our partnership with rwanda to be creating a vibrant community here, to be a positive , secure, beautiful positive, secure, beautiful haven and home for many thousands of people. and i'm really about the contribution that these talented graduates will be making to the of rwanda and the security of many, many people . well, donald trump says people. well, donald trump says he expects to be on tuesday and writing on his truth social . he writing on his truth social. he called on his supporters to protest and to take nation back. the manhattan district attorney's office is likely to bnng attorney's office is likely to bring charges . the former bring charges. the former president over alleged hush money payment claims was made to the adult star stormy daniels in

the adult star stormy daniels in the run up to the 2016 election. now, the impeached former president criticised the attorney's office for being corrupt and politically motivated . the snp's chief motivated. the snp's chief executive has resigned with immediate effect . it follows immediate effect. it follows reports peter , who is also reports peter, who is also nicola sturgeon's husband , was nicola sturgeon's husband, was facing the threat of a vote of . facing the threat of a vote of. no confidence following a row over party's membership numbers . in a statement, he said while was no intent to mislead, he accepts that has been outcome. michael russell will oversee the operation of the snp's headquarters on an interim . headquarters on an interim. russia's president vladimir putin is visiting crimea to mark the ninth anniversary of its annexation from ukraine. moscow sees the territory in 2014 at years before launching a full scale invasion of ukraine, a kyiv has vowed to expel russia from crimea and all of its occupied territories . passengers occupied territories. passengers will face further rail, misery unless the government offers new

money in union negotiations. that's the from the rmt as thousands of its members at 14 train operators have walked out for the second time in the space of three days. it's led to widespread travel disruption with fewer than 50% of trains offices across the expected to run or rmt. general secretary mick says transport ministers to follow the example of their colleagues in the department of health. we need a change. we need to government to make a change in attitude. there's a bit of that this week. we've seen in the health service and maybe in teachers unions. maybe in the teachers unions. the difference in those deals that there are no conditions that there are no conditions that new money for our that it's new money for our members having to swallow or expect expected to swallow vast changes to their working conditions and not prepared to do that in order to get a very modest poor pay rise . while modest poor pay rise. while thousands of bus drivers in the west midlands will go on an indefinite strike from monday, unite members employed by national express the walkouts by 71. the strike affect local bus

services . the 71. the strike affect local bus services. the mid 71. the strike affect local bus services . the mid west 71. the strike affect local bus services. the mid west midlands, though not the scheduled white coaches. though not the scheduled white coaches . pakistan's former prime coaches. pakistan's former prime minister imran khan has appeared in court on charges of corruption . police stormed his corruption. police stormed his residence in lahore earlier this and this was the scene outside . and this was the scene outside. it follows days of standoffs outside his property in lahore. police attempted to arrest him there and failed . on tuesday he there and failed. on tuesday he is accused of unlawfully selling state gifts given to him by foreign dignitaries while office . gary lineker says support from his colleagues at the bbc been hugely gratifying and quite . the hugely gratifying and quite. the match of the day presenter taken off air last week after the language used to launch the government's new illegal policy. with that of 1930s, germany . but with that of 1930s, germany. but he returns later to cover the fa cup quarter final between manchester city and. this is gb news more as it happens . now

news more as it happens. now back to real britain . back to real britain. yes, welcome back to real britain. here's coming up on the show . we'll debate whether mums show. we'll debate whether mums should go to work or whether they should stay home to raise their children. that's after the chancellor announced working parents england will receive parents in england will receive 33 hours of childcare for children young as nine months old. gb news is latest people's poll found that the public is in favour of favour of the reducing the cost of childcare . we'll be the cost of childcare. we'll be debating that. we'll also hear from security editor from our home security editor mark white, who is currently out in rwanda . he's on the in rwanda. he's on the government's to tackle government's plan to tackle channel migration. we'll also get reaction from the director of for and economic of the centre for and economic prosperity. think tank stephen wolf on the snp's trouble and trouble with the snp chief executive, peter murrell, who

married to nicola sturgeon, has resigned over overall concerning the party's membership . the the party's membership. the party has recently suffered a considerable drop in its membership . we'll speak with the membership. we'll speak with the political of the scottish daily mail. michael blackley. is the snp falling apart ? that's what snp falling apart? that's what we're talking about for the next. i'd love to know your thoughts today's topics. thoughts on today's topics. please tweet me at news please tweet me at gb news or. you can us on you can email us on gbviews@gbnews.uk. you also watch us online on youtube. don't go away. i'll be back in . don't go away. i'll be back in. a yes. so one of the biggest stories of the day, suella braverman has arrived in rwanda. she's there to reaffirm her commitment to the deportation policy . it is the first time the policy. it is the first time the home secretary has visited the african nation after her priti patel signed the agreement in april last year home security editor . mark white april last year home security editor. mark white is in rwanda with an update on the latest developments . the home developments. the home secretary's arrival here in

kigali is a very public reaffirmation of uk and the rwandan determination to push ahead with the deal to send asylum seekers here. the plan is of course still stuck in the british courts and there's no doubt the government here in rwanda has been stung in recent months by the level of criticism it's received from human groups and refugee charities. suella braverman and onto counterparts here insist that's a wilful of the country has to offer . it has the country has to offer. it has already accepted asylum seekers and other immigrants from countries in africa and the middle east who the government here in kigali say are making good lives for them selves. indeed levels of immigration are a key part of economic growth plan , which includes plan, which includes a burgeoning tech sector . the burgeoning tech sector. the government here is prepared,

they say, to take many of asylum seekers if required. but of course any move in that direction will mean many millions more of uk taxpayers money being into the economy here, more accommodation , we are here, more accommodation, we are told, is in the pipeline asylum seekers. well the uk government asserts have access to all the legal and other support services they'll need . but even the they'll need. but even the rwanda plans most supporters acknowledge , there are acknowledge, there are compromises this , isn't yet a compromises this, isn't yet a fully developed economy. but as far the uk government is concerned , it is a vital concerned, it is a vital component to their migration plan . without a third country plan. without a third country willing to take asylum . that willing to take asylum. that plan is almost certain to fail. mark white with the home secretary in the rwandan caphal secretary in the rwandan capital, kigali . mark white capital, kigali. mark white there bringing us up to date. but joining me now is director the centre for migration and

economic stephen wolf . stephen, economic stephen wolf. stephen, so since last time we talked suella braverman has got on a flight herself arrive in rwanda. do we have idea of what progress is being made? because there were people who were whether or not that rwanda only has space for a hundred couple of of migrants from this country, but is saying, no, no, no. thousands well, i think very clear that the fact suella braverman is on flight and is in the capital kigali talking about this is an that there are moves in the home office to actually expand the programme and indeed include thousands of those who will be taken under new migration partnership deal to rwanda . and partnership deal to rwanda. and i say that on top of communications we've had with the centre of migration , with the centre of migration, with the centre of migration, with the home office that has talked aboutin the home office that has talked about in the next few weeks they will start to deliver more information about third party

partners other than rwanda, maybe even those within our own kind of british sovereignty nafions kind of british sovereignty nations that we've we've seen maybe other countries in africa down indicating which countries they are going to indicate that they're going to be more flights. that's going to mean more staff to help with the deportation . and they're deportation. and they're indicating legal aspects indicating other legal aspects that will be added to the bill as amendments. so this is real progress being made by the home secretary and she wouldn't be out there . she really didn't out there. she really didn't believe that will be more more beds , rooms and more beds, rooms and more availability . opportunity to availability. opportunity to remove more channel migrants. well, that's very interesting indeed , stephen. if what you say indeed, stephen. if what you say is true that agreements could be on the cards , other countries on the cards, other countries that would be quite significant indeed , considering many people indeed, considering many people , naysayers of this policy have been saying, oh, it will be near impossible for us to get more of these agreements. where are

they? etc, etc. but behind doors, is it right to say that the government is very much making that happen ? well, i making that happen? well, i think it's very clear that they're enthused by it and they were indicating that they are making progress. were indicating that they are making progress . and certainly making progress. and certainly they wouldn't be making comments like to numbers of those who were on call if they didn't believe that have some serious attempts . now, that does not attempts. now, that does not mean that attempts they are doing will work in the end. it just means that they feel that there is an opportunity for them to expand this program to other countries , maybe british countries, maybe british overseas . so i think that's overseas. so i think that's quite significant. but the real point about this and what's been happening with rishi sunak with the new law and the migration partnership, we rwanda is that there is a real determination within the top , the conservative within the top, the conservative party to this problem. they recognise it as a potential vote in any general in the future, but they also know that now it's

needsit but they also know that now it's needs it needs be because it's £8 billion a year is the cost of emigre and asylum to the uk . so emigre and asylum to the uk. so stephen, so you say uk overseas territory race this may be on the card for these third party agreements . does that mean agreements. does that mean places like gibraltar , falklands places like gibraltar, falklands , bermuda ? oh well we've got no , bermuda? oh well we've got no idea which which places are we can look at the british overseas think the main point that was being made is that the nothing is being ruled out and there are opportunities across the globe for them to look at. so i think it's a very important step that the home office is really practically looking legal practically looking at the legal implications . what happened implications of. what happened with the attempts previously to prevent people from coming across channel and they've done across channel and they've done a really good job in this new law and my hat's off as a fellow barrister to those in the government legal department. they do expect legal challenges . but i think they're for prepared that they're looking at the technology that's required, the technology that's required,

the costs . and so my the staffing costs. and so my only question whether they are really thinking about this in the long term plan, because we are expecting 80,000 to come this year unless and i feel that it might unless the deal has been happening in rwanda and also the law that's been implemented by rishi sunak and suella braverman , they'll start suella braverman, they'll start to have an impact on the people smugglers and their business model. yes. so does this actually fit? if you could just break it down. how just very quickly, how does this rwanda fit with the illegal immigration bill that's going through with the agreement with france that rishi sunak to have agreed with president macron and whatever is being done to, stop the boats . being done to, stop the boats. so the key point here is that the people smugglers business plan is get our boats, give us the money and you will get into the money and you will get into the uk you'll never be turned away, you'll never be taken anywhere be in hotels anywhere and you'll be in hotels and you'll there the and then you'll be there in the uk forever. the new immigration

bill you'll there for bill says no. you'll there for 28 days and after 28 days, assessment you fall within a very minor categories which allow to stay in the uk. you'll be removed from the country and not be permitted . claim asylum not be permitted. claim asylum again. the fits in because it's one of those areas where you be removed after 28 days. so that's an important point. and what's with macron is they're going to disrupt and make it more difficult for the boats , try and difficult for the boats, try and reach the waters in the first place. maybe we'll see more images the police actually images of the police actually capturing puncturing capturing the and puncturing the drones together. so on both sides, it's to make the journey difficult and therefore costly for the people smugglers and a disincentive for those who paying disincentive for those who paying the money to the people smugglers, saying that you won't be able to stay in the uk actually you're going to, in the first case, go rwanda. and in first case, go to rwanda. and in the maybe one of the second case, maybe one of the second case, maybe one of the deals they're the other deals they're considering. well, there's certainly a huge amount of effort going into this. and of course, be looking course, they'll be looking at the polls people the public polls showing people want very much to want small boats very much to stop. you very much stop. thank you very much indeed, stephen. wolf, of the

centre migration and centre for migration and economic prosperity. there we go. now moving on, report due go. now moving on, a report due to be published on tuesday will say the metropolitan police is riddled with sexism racism at, homophobia and has failed to change a number of official reviews urging it to do so. the force commissioned the report back in 2021 that was after the murder of sarah everard by a serving officer wayne cousins. one senior official has described the findings as quote atrocious to shed some light on this i'm now joined by the former surrey police and crime kevin honey . kevin, what do we kevin honey. kevin, what do we thank you very much joining us this afternoon. what are we expecting from this report? it looks pretty . well think it's looks pretty. well think it's what you've already already cleared out there, but all i've got to say about it is welcome to british society . that's what to british society. that's what british society is like. and probably the one thing we can say about , the metropolitan say about, the metropolitan police, for all the things getting at the moment, is probably worse than the average elements of british society

because the police do in fact , because the police do in fact, everyone who joins it, we only need, if you like , to look at need, if you like, to look at what goes on in the health service. a number of doctors overall in charge of sexually assaulting people, different nurses , children up and down the nurses, children up and down the doctors murdering people , but doctors murdering people, but nhs having sex with their bodies you know let's get real and understand what's happening here. the police merely replicate society. i'm very worried i see going on and that a major attack on the morale and motivation of the police service which means we will all less safe because the thing that people forget about police , it's people forget about police, it's the only job in the country where you need to deal with confrontation on a daily basis and if the people the will and commitment to go forward and deal with confront action it's actually nothing we the society can do about . actually nothing we the society can do about. so i have a message for mark rowley in

current deputy commissioner staff who describe standing behind your stop letting them be you openly criticised all time and stand up for them because your best people are actually leaving early and it's being filled up by boris's newbies who know nothing. no life experience. that's why the product we all receive now is so cool very often, so kevin you think the police simply reflects society ? that's well down in society? that's well down in terms of standards , a society terms of standards, a society thatis terms of standards, a society that is riddled with sexism , that is riddled with sexism, racism and homophobia . well, i'm racism and homophobia. well, i'm not saying going down in terms of standards, but that's how society is . you know, having society is. you know, having myself been the military worked in insurance offices , worked in in insurance offices, worked in a hotel and shops and indeed in the media, the kind of banter and talk that one hears amongst colleagues , fellow football colleagues, fellow football club, rugby club , it's no club, rugby club, it's no different. sadly that's the way human beings are . but what

human beings are. but what i would say about the police service is because there's quite a strong and powerful selection , despite what everyone says , , despite what everyone says, they are probably the representative of those antisocial behaviours. but my message is , the more we kick the message is, the more we kick the police, the worse going to be at protecting us kevin. i have some sympathy with that view. i do feel like if you demonise police officers, that is not to the benefit of our society as a whole , but surely consider whole, but surely consider recent cases when cousins being one of them, they do deserve a kicking. why weren't other police officers standing up for standards and you know, putting pressure against these type men 7 pressure against these type men ? well, for the first time in british history of policing , british history of policing, which is 200 years, there's been a psychopath , rapist, murderer . a psychopath, rapist, murderer. that's a big surprise for us all. but it actually is being

replicated amongst people within the health service and military. another element which so, frankly, we shouldn't get too vexed about that there is a concern within a small group , vexed about that there is a concern within a small group, an unpleasant watch that , checks unpleasant watch that, checks going on. that was . but the big going on. that was. but the big lesson for me about in consequence is instead of being caught. earlier when he was flashing because flashing to me is a senior detective is a to people going on to be rapists and murderers. i think people more that tells me he's now poor police investigations have become but those enquiries over allegations of flashing were not deau allegations of flashing were not dealt with urgently in days gone by they would have thought as a as someone who's observing this it does also smack of corruption clearly people looking out police officers other police officers . well he doesn't how officers. well he doesn't how doesit officers. well he doesn't how does it smack of corruption what we know is a couple of rapes were not surrey a couple of thrashings were not investigated

properly due to bureaucratic encounter and the investigative processes within the police being run down so badly like so many other hundreds of thousands of unfortunately wayne cousins should been caught earlier but it's got nothing to do with corruption it's got to do with police cuts and incompetence , police cuts and incompetence, right? incompetence not corruption. thank you very much indeed, kevin hurley, former surrey police crime commissioner. thank you very much for your time indeed. now we are going to be moving on plenty to come this afternoon on real after break, an real britain after break, an official is expected to official report is expected to say the metropolitan police , say the metropolitan police, we've already that. i'm not we've already done that. i'm not sure going now, but sure where we're going now, but we're going to go to the weather

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digital radio . now moving to the digital radio. now moving to the states, the former president donald trump has claimed on his social media that he is expecting to be arrested this week. trump says the arrest is due to take place on tuesday over an alleged payment to former star. he's urged his supporters to protest over the alleged arrest. if it is true and proceeded to be a proceeded to criminal case, it would be the first one ever brought against a former us president. let's speak now to greg swenson from overseas . greg, thank you from overseas. greg, thank you very much indeed forjoining us this afternoon. what's your reaction this. great to be here, emily. not surprised. i mean, there must have i don't know if there must have i don't know if there is a leak in the department or local department or whatever, but, you know, this is just another attempt at getting to trump you know, trump syndrome is alive and well, in spite of the fact it's been over two years since he was in office . so what a lot of these days and in some especially the

southern new york ran they ran their campaigns with the slogan, i'm going get trump. you know, so it doesn't surprise me that , so it doesn't surprise me that, you know, if the police car follows you long enough, you will blow a stop sign. it doesn't mean that he's perfect . doesn't mean that he's perfect. there's no doubt that, you know, some this stuff, some of this stuff, some of that, some of these cases, you know , will ultimately have an know, will ultimately have an effect of dragging him down. that's their purpose, although in many respects. it actually trump in terms of his his standing in the republic , at standing in the republic, at least in the early stages of the republican race for , the republican race for, the nomination, where you know, he ends up being the victim . what ends up being the victim. what i'm getting at so i don't think this will work. i don't think it will backfire ultimately, especially in a week where, you know, you had really dramatic revelations . the biden family revelations. the biden family cartel . and i think there's cartel. and i think there's going to be a bit of what about as in here in the next few weeks

, it may backfire. he can present himself as a victim, but is it wise for him to be posting media calling for protests to take the nation back . yeah. i take the nation back. yeah. i mean, that's that's the way president trump operate . you president trump operate. you know, he is very bold . he loves know, he is very bold. he loves social media. you know, he used it to advantage in 2016, that's for sure . and so, you know, this for sure. and so, you know, this this ultimately play to his , you this ultimately play to his, you know, trump trump the and the left to the radical left is out get me kind of thing. and that that plays well to his base . and that plays well to his base. and so, you know, in many ways think it helps him, frankly. so, you know, in many ways think it helps him, frankly . and i it helps him, frankly. and i think if he you if the democrats were smart, they would just let the electoral electoral process work and if they really want trump to run , they should just trump to run, they should just admit it like they did in many other races in 2022, especially where they actually funded candidates that they in the

republican primaries that they to run against. so you know, it's a little bit of a it's a little bit confusing . but but i little bit confusing. but but i do think that ultimately trump syndrome is going to backfire. i think . yes. the obsession think. yes. the obsession continues, much like actually the obsession . boris johnson the obsession. boris johnson here in the uk it does continue on and on, not the not as though those two can compare to one another, but ever so slightly with the derangement we see. thank you very much indeed , thank you very much indeed, greg. absolutely. thanks for having me. thank you for your time with tv news on tv and radio. after the break we're talking tech talk is being banned, the uk government's phones from every minister's phones from every minister's phones amid security concerns around the chinese owned video app. but first, let's get a check on the news headlines . hi check on the news headlines. hi there. i'm out . armstrong in the there. i'm out. armstrong in the newsroom it's coming up to 3:30.

the home secretary has defended a plan to send illegal migrants to rwanda after the government confirmed more than 200 people across channel yesterday . across the channel yesterday. five of inactivity . suella five days of inactivity. suella braverman is in the capital kigali where being given a tour of housing site which will provide long term accommodation for refugees. she maintains government's deportation policy , which has been criticised , , which has been criticised, will act as a powerful deterrent for those considering making dangerous journeys in small boats . the home secretary also boats. the home secretary also visited training and education centre where she addressed some of the graduates . we are of the graduates. we are absolutely delighted and excited about our partnership with rwanda to be creating a vibrant community here, to be a positive , secure, beautiful haven and home for many thousands of people. and i'm really about the contribution that these talented graduates will be making to the

prosperity of rwanda and, the security of many, many people . security of many, many people. donald trump says he expects to be arrested tuesday and writing on his truth social site. he called on his supporters to protest , take the nation back. protest, take the nation back. manhattan's attorney's office is likely to bring charges against the former us president over. likely to bring charges against the former us president over . an the former us president over. an alleged hush money payment made the adult film star stormy daniels . it the adult film star stormy daniels. it was in the run up to the 2016 election that no former president has ever faced. criminal trump , who has been criminal trump, who has been impeached twice , says the impeached twice, says the attorney's office is corrupt and highly political . russia's highly political. russia's president vladimir putin is visiting crimea mark the ninth anniversary of its annexation from ukraine and moscow sees . from ukraine and moscow sees. the territory in 2014, eight years before launching a full scale invasion of ukraine. key has vowed to expel russia from crimea and all of its occupied

territories . to tv, online and territories. to tv, online and dab+ radio . this is gb news, but dab+ radio. this is gb news, but go anywhere. emily will be back with real britain in just a moment .

yes, welcome back. this is real britain on gb news tv online on digital radio. now the uk is cracking down on one of the most popular social media platforms. if you don't know it , popular social media platforms. if you don't know it, tok is essentially a social platform that people all over the world post video , post clips, post. post video, post clips, post. well, anything that they might post on facebook, but essentially there are millions, if not billions of videos on there. updated upload did every single day . anyway, it's been single day. anyway, it's been banned on all government devices issued to ministers and. civil servants comes after national cyber security centre published review alleging that the app

could be halved . harvesting data could be halved. harvesting data for the ruling chinese communist party . but is for the ruling chinese communist party. but is the social media app party. but is the social media app just a harmless dance crazes or is there something much more sinister at play should politicians even be on social media? that's another question to ask with me to debate this is political commentator and research fellow at the henry jackson charlotte littlewood . jackson, charlotte littlewood. also joining me is author and broadcaster rebecca reid . broadcaster rebecca reid. charlotte, why has the firstly why has the government decided to do this, do you think? well we've been a little bit slow to act, haven't i mean, we've had brussels do this, denmark do this , the usa, canada, european this, the usa, canada, european in parliament, and now yes, we've eventually decided that it's very important for our national security to not have hostile states able to access and harvest data , potentially and harvest data, potentially sensitive data of our government officials. well rebecca, as a consumer of tik tok, i imagine i'm also guilty of using tik tok

as well. there mostly for browsing functions. do you think this is a lot of hot air? i i just can never bring to be concerned about my data being harvested anybody like if they want the nom that i create my data , they are welcome to all data, they are welcome to all they're going to find out is me googung they're going to find out is me googling like 15 signs that guys messaging about not know about for a reason . there's for a good reason. there's nothing useful to steal my nothing useful to steal from my phone i charlotte phone. well, i mean, charlotte that might be that might appear a little flippant from rebecca, perhaps . but there a little flippant from rebecca, perhaps. but there is a point to this insofar , as china clearly this insofar, as china clearly their fingers in a lot of pies. they're also very much in a lot of our infrastructure . tik tok of our infrastructure. tik tok is just one of very many ways in which they could harvest , which they could harvest, infiltrate find out secret state secrets , etc, etc. i absolutely. secrets, etc, etc. i absolutely. but we should be making effort to prevent risks where we can. and it isn't just tik tok. we still have confucius institute

operating inside universities that are known links to chinese communist . that are known links to chinese communist. so organisations . and communist. so organisations. and so i think, you know, when it comes to tik tok, we know that it has the ability to access our hard drive and we know . actually hard drive and we know. actually four members of staff were fired from bytedance, the company that owns a tik tok because . they owns a tik tok because. they were doing just that geo locating us journey and that had investigating tik tok and its to china. so we know it has the ability to do it and we know it has done it and is national security and uninterested in seeing matters and conflict pancakes to be really honest and i think we can sacrifice that for the sake of the security of our state a collective sacrifice. rebecca perhaps a perhaps this is a good move. it's different from banning every single person in the

country from uploading a dance. tik onto the platform . should tik onto the platform. should really grant shapps be old enough and big enough to . enough and big enough to. realise that perhaps national security is more important than him gaining a few younger followers . i actually think followers. i actually think there was an argument that they shouldn't that politicians shouldn't that politicians shouldn't be to have social media, completely and i think we might in a better political situation if they're not they if they want lots of second jobs, they want lots of second jobs, they will not have social media. how many of them would actually be reason other be in it for any reason other than and try and than self obligation and try and make think in make less? but no, i think in terms security , sure, we are terms of security, sure, we are probably lax , think probably desperately lax, think we're a fairly rubbish country when in when it comes to investing in these things suppose all these things. so i suppose all i would say is that i'd like a world in which all main communications on all are done over whatsapp, which seems to be the most likeable thing in the entire we could entire world, and where we could maybe robust maybe have such robust cybersecurity that , people can cybersecurity that, people can still tok because still have tik tok because i worry that is a slippery worry that there is a slippery slope towards rid of it slope towards getting rid of it completely and i'd be sad about

that because. like to waste that because. i like to waste time on it and be. do you think that's good to come that's genuine? good to be come with all social with tiktok and all the social media america. they media platforms in america. they ban it briefly a while and ban it briefly for a while and teenagers very upset about it and emotionally, i'm a and emotionally, you know, i'm a teenager, i would pretty teenager, so i would pretty devastated. go devastated. well, there you go i mean, charlotte, is taking mean, charlotte, this is taking you slightly as you slightly your brief as a national security expert. but do you think it's good for our political discourse to have our so addicted to social media. i guess most of us are. but if you look at when they're standing up in the house commons, for example , seem to create these example, seem to create these speeches, write these speeches that aimed purely for social media and clickbait. that aimed purely for social media and clickbait . right. and media and clickbait. right. and also when they try to implement also when they try to implement a policy, how many u—turns have we had? because listen to the noise on twitter rather than actually public opinion. i mean that seems to speak a very good politician and to be honest because i do think there a place

for social media applications like twitter to be able to reach new audiences but we do expect from our politicians that they're actually engaging with facts research and not being led by social that's hugely concerning . so i do think there concerning. so i do think there is a for politicians on social media, but we need to be really intelligent about we use that the r intelligence around the threat we face with social media in these apps is very low and we to behave on our devices as if anyone could be looking at any time. and i think that's something that maybe government officials need to be trained in. yes, that would probably be a good. a good thing to do. you hope, anyway. thank you very much , littlewood, there from the much, littlewood, there from the henry jackson society and rebecca reid , one of our rebecca reid, one of our favourite broadcasters here. gb news, thank you very much. i wonder how many of you at home are tick let do you are with tick tock? let do you think we should all just scrap from our phones for national security ? i don't particularly security? i don't particularly like the idea of my data going

to the chinese communist party for whatever they want to do with it, but also i am guilty of enjoying a little bit of the app myself . lots of you have been myself. lots of you have been sending in your thoughts on topics been discussing up topics we've been discussing up now on the topic of strikes alan says my opinion, nurses will says in my opinion, nurses will not be accepting this deal. it is not a deal . not be accepting this deal. it is not a deal. of course is not a done deal. of course they have been. well they haven't accepted a pay off, but it is going to be going to its members i believe so we'll see what happens. linda says we are paying what happens. linda says we are paying taxes a failing nhs and yet are expected to wait months for a appointments. we need consumer choice in other words, a private option . we cannot a private option. we cannot afford to care for people who do not care for their health. privatisation will force people to responsibility for as well. kelvin mckenzie was saying, suggesting that a different model for the nhs is what is needed to boost the pay of workers . on the government's workers. on the government's plan to control illegal migration, mitch has to say to these snowflakes have a clue . if these snowflakes have a clue. if you increase the number of safe

and legal routes, i think you will still get exactly the same amount people coming the amount of people coming on the boats you'll more boats plus you'll have more people unless people migrating legally unless they're if we have they're saying that if we have they're saying that if we have the safe and legal routes, then we deport anyone the safe and legal routes, then we comes deport anyone the safe and legal routes, then we comes by deport anyone the safe and legal routes, then we comes by boats deport anyone the safe and legal routes, then we comes by boats orport anyone the safe and legal routes, then we comes by boats or illegal/one who comes by boats or illegal means . and i do think you're means. and i do think you're probably right, it doesn't necessarily that just because you safe and you have safe, more safe and legal available that no legal routes available that no one will want jump in a one will want to jump in a dinghy . but there you go. thank dinghy. but there you go. thank you all for sending in your as always. now scotland, there's quite a lot going on when it comes to the snp. the chief, peter murrell , married to the peter murrell, married to the outgoing leader, nicola , has outgoing leader, nicola, has resigned with immediate effect in. a row over party membership . the snp has confirmed that only 72,000 of its members were eligible to vote, a drop of more than 50,000. it comes after of refusing to provide figures. scotland's first minister nicola sturgeon denied the snp was in crisis after the party was forced. admit that more than 40% of its members had quit, with many blaming sturgeon selfish

gender reforms policy as determining factor. gender reforms policy as determining factor . she got out determining factor. she got out when she when she should have. joining me now is political at the scottish daily mail blackley. michael, thank you very much indeed forjoining us from scotland. so a 40% drop in membership is not looking good for the snp . yes, that was for the snp. yes, that was ultimately what led to the downfall of peter murrell was the confirmation finally that there snp's membership has gone down from from a high of 125 those in the few years ago , 70 those in the few years ago, 70 odd thousand now . and the media odd thousand now. and the media has been trying establish this number for quite some time and this snp has been withholding number. indeed, they even the number. indeed, they even the number from the candidate standing for leadership . pretty standing for leadership. pretty extraordinary stuff with and but yesterday the snp's head of communications resigned because he had claimed that report that

the membership had fallen by about 30,000 were, in his words, dnven. about 30,000 were, in his words, driven . he resigned yesterday . driven. he resigned yesterday. he said that he had passed information in good faith . it information in good faith. it was information that came from party headquarters. so that means peter burrows position pretty untenable. he was set to face a vote . no confidence face a vote. no confidence today. but before that happened. he's he's now resigned and this is a pretty major moment in the snp history because they've been a massive election machine for the last 50, 50 years. they've had huge electoral success. obviously a lot of the for that has gone to alex salmond the nicola sturgeon but behind the scenes the campaign machine was really laid out by peter murrell , nicola sturgeon's husband. so his exit is another think moment for the snp and it adds to the impression that this is a party that's really at the moment . it that's really at the moment. it does seem like nicola sturgeon ,

does seem like nicola sturgeon, her love or hate her, was the that was binding the party together. do you think there'll be more resignations do you think people want to sort of get out while they can ? yes. well, out while they can? yes. well, it's so many people are are leaving at the moment. i mean, we've already nicola sturgeon and also the deputy first minister, john swinney going no , there's peter murrell as well. so snp hierarchy seems to be on the on way. there's a new leader coming in, it will be appointed a week on monday. coming in, it will be appointed a week on monday . they, they may a week on monday. they, they may well look a fresh approach and it's just going to be to see how the where the snp go from here because there's some in the snp that think that this this is repeating the sort mistakes that happenedin repeating the sort mistakes that happened in the final days of new labour where you a party machine was so disciplined so on message and then as soon as it

started breaking apart they set the party started collapsing around it and there's possibly the feeling that maybe the snp are going that way, that nicola sturgeon's departure has really triggered astonishing inflating that, while there's going to be been years of division in the snp, if they've to keep a lid on it, they've tried to not have the infighting in public know this is a party in the of a very very civil war. yes it's going to be quite the job for the next leader of the to . party try to leader of the to. party try to regain some. well, regain members. firstly but also then the trust of the nation. just very quickly , before you go , was very quickly, before you go, was the use of is he going to be the next leader? by the looks of things ? well, humza yousaf is things? well, humza yousaf is certainly the favourite. he the choice of the snp hierarchy and there was a suspicion from the other two candidates that he was being pushed forward by allies of nicola sturgeon and indeed

they have claimed from people in hq know that that's over. and so i mean who , who knows maybe i mean who, who knows maybe that's going to impact his his campaign. there's still a 70,000 odd members and even people in in the snp cabinet are really sure where they stand. kate forbes seems to be getting a bit of an interest from some of those members . she is she is the those members. she is she is the that saying that a fresh approach is needed. she's criticised the very same piece performed in recent times. so it's going to be fascinating and whoever there's going to be a struggle for the next leader to try and actually bring this party together after what has been a quite astonishingly better leadership contest . it better leadership contest. it really is fascinating to watch and we'll continue to bring the very latest on gb news of . but very latest on gb news of. but thank you, political editor , the thank you, political editor, the scottish daily mail, michael flatley now. today marks 20 is

since parliament voted in favour of british troops to war iraq. tony blair's government passed the motion to use means necessary to ensure the disarmament of iraq's weapons of mass destruction. despite a quarter of labour mps voting against the war, it passed instead with support from the conservative opposition . the conservative opposition. the invasion began days after raged well into the next decade, with consequences still very raw for the international community and the international community and the veterans who served. our reporter will wallace has more for us. shane and his sons must leave iraq within . 48 hours. leave iraq within. 48 hours. there refusal to do so will result in military conflict commenced at a time our choosing . in 2003 will be known for little else in modern memory. other than the start of the iraq war . a coalition led by the war. a coalition led by the united states , bolstered through united states, bolstered through british support . today marks 20 british support. today marks 20 years since parliament voted in

favour of the invasion , with favour of the invasion, with tony blair as prime minister. the decision was made against a backdrop of mass public protest . one big question guiding the turmoil was the invasion legal. maj general chip chapman is former senior british military commander to us central command . the war had been underpinned unscr 1441, which was diplomacy unscr1441, which was diplomacy had run its day and that saddam hussein had to get rid of his weapons of mass destruction. of course that was the impetus to war. the problem became that the one weapons of mass destruction . so i don't think people really believed a lot of people didn't believed a lot of people didn't believe it because that led to the million person in london. so there was lot of fracture and certainly from top of defence, the chief of the defence staff, the chief of the defence staff, the future little boys . i did the future little boys. i did want to clarification from the attorney general that any intervention by the british armed forces was indeed legal

and he got that assurance . the and he got that assurance. the weapons were never and despite quickly toppling saddam hussein, the war evolved . british troops the war evolved. british troops spent many years fighting an insurgency . it's one of the insurgency. it's one of the reasons why some veterans suffer with post—war stress . around 9% with post—war stress. around 9% of iraq veterans have ptsd . of iraq veterans have ptsd. anniversaries connect a trigger. even many years later, according to the mental health charity combat stress , dr. felix davis combat stress, dr. felix davis is director of operations . we is director of operations. we are still finding we are having veterans of iraq come forward to us for help at this time , and us for help at this time, and they're experiencing a range of mental health problems. often people think about post—traumatic stress disorder or ptsd . but we also find or ptsd. but we also find veterans come forward with mental health needs around , mental health needs around, anxiety, depression . the war anxiety, depression. the war endedin anxiety, depression. the war ended in 2011. yet the consequences of the decision to

go into iraq burned through the last decade and continue to this day . will hollis gb news news day. will hollis gb news news poignant reporting the now we're going to be ending the show with a debate relating to the budget. one of the controversial and also celebrated things in budget was the chancellor's announcement . working parents in announcement. working parents in england will be given health care free, childcare, sorry for children the age of five from nine months old, actually by september 20, 25. i want to ask whether mums should work should be encouraged to work or . should be encouraged to work or. should they actually stay at home to raise their children? it sounds a bit of a an old fashioned question to ask but i think it's still very relevant indeed. joining now is political commentator bushra sheikh and child development dr. amanda gummer. thank you very much indeed for joining gummer. thank you very much indeed forjoining me. now, i'm not sure on which side of the debate either of you are so well we'll find out together . bushra, we'll find out together. bushra, should we start with you ? what

should we start with you? what is your view, do you think? it's slightly odd that the government is your view, do you think? it's sliencouraging at the government is your view, do you think? it's sliencouraging all he government is your view, do you think? it's sliencouraging all women rnment is encouraging all women essentially to get back into work as quickly possible, to leave their children's with children, with a childminder as as nine months old? is that a step in the wrong direction ? step in the wrong direction? honestly, i think it's absolutely ludicrous . like absolutely ludicrous. like motherhood is the most one of the cool thing. and at nine months old, to leave your child behind and go back to work essentially for me is the wrong thing to, i think, the government should be like supporting and endorsing to stay home. those very elementary years with children. so in bolton for their woes and the bonding years and the fact that mothers breastfeed at least until two years old. you know that kind of tells us it's crucial for mums to be with children . dr. amanda now you are children. dr. amanda now you are an expert in child developed movement. is it true that children develop better when they are being looked after at

home by their mother ? children home by their mother? children thrive . they're in an thrive. they're in an emotionally stable household and with parents who feel fulfilled and, relaxed and confident about their life choices. and i don't think it's the part of government to dictate whether parents should stay at home, go to work. what i do think we need to work. what i do think we need to do is recognise there are a lot of parents who would like to work to be able to provide things for their family. work to be able to provide things for their family . but the things for their family. but the cost of childcare has been prohibitive , giving parents more prohibitive, giving parents more choice, i think, has got to be a good thing. yeah. bushra i mean, so many parents, many women, they may wish stay at home for at least the first the second year of their child's life, but they simply can't for. economic reasons . absolutely. and this is reasons. absolutely. and this is something that we have to reconsider and. i know the a child minder or sending your child minder or sending your child to with by the way you this with a 39 month old could

not get the same love that they would at home. this is something think the government should be supporting could be saying let's keep mothers pumping whilst they staying at home, not to go back to work so early. so instead of paying to work so early. so instead of paying child mind, let's pay mothers to stay home. why that something that they don't actually consider . let something that they don't actually consider. let me go a little bit of flexibility not go amiss giving parents more of a choice on how to spend what is essentially an expansion of the welfare state. does it make a difference ? the money goes . difference? the money goes. amanda, in terms of what parents to improve. does a parent give their child everything that they need whilst also having to out to work. do worry that we're treating almost as if they're better off as being a benefit to the economy rather than than to the economy rather than than to the family. it's not a great. i mean, this whole budget was represented as a back to work

budget and childcare was a big of this. but do we forget that women are more than just a benefit to the economy ? yeah, benefit to the economy? yeah, but i a lot of women and i think when we're talking about the parents staying at home we should recognise that some some fathers would prefer to at home too. so i think the gender debate is throwing this off. but in terms of child development, kids get lot of benefits certainly from the age of sort of 18 months, two years old from an interacting with other children. and social isolation that a lot parents feel when they are as they at home on their own with young children can be detrimental their mental health. so i'm not saying thing one way is better i think we just need to that it's a complex issue and that parents should be given support to make the decisions that are right for their and lowering their family and lowering childcare costs is definitely a step in that direction because it does that parents who want to work , who want to work for their work, who want to work for their own wellbeing and in order to be

that positive role model for their are to do their children, are able to do that without being it that without without being it being prohibitively expensive . being prohibitively expensive. yes. i think that would be well let's hope that that comes to be with this policy, although it won't implemented till 2025 won't be implemented till 2025 in so we shall see if it in full. so we shall see if it ever gets implemented. thank you very indeed. dr. amanda very much indeed. dr. amanda a child development expert and also bushra sheikh . commentator also bushra sheikh. commentator thank you very much . now, you've thank you very much. now, you've been watching . that's all we've been watching. that's all we've got time for afternoon. thank you very much indeed for company and your emails. this and for all your emails. this show is on every saturday at 2 pm, for now i will leave pm, but for now i will leave you weather . hello you with the weather. hello there. good afternoon to you . there. good afternoon to you. welcome to your latest weather updates from met office. i'm jonathan . today has been jonathan vautrey. today has been a day of chasing rainbows for many of us in between heavy showers we've seen around showers that we've seen around to pressure that is in to low pressure that is in across the whole of the uk we do have frontal systems that's been pushing through northern ireland into of scotland that's just bringing longer spells bringing some longer spells of rain it will also be rain here. and it will also be breezy very far north

breezy across the very far north of throughout of scotland. we move throughout this over night. this evening and over night. elsewhere, the heavy showers we have will tend to ease out have seen will tend to ease out and dine out as we move over nights. that will allow some clear to just clear intervals to develop. just allowing temperatures to drop down bit more through towns down a bit more through towns and generally and cities, still generally holding around six holding up around or six celsius, a rural frost is celsius, but a rural frost is possible across parts of northern ireland and scotland and could just provide some and that could just provide some icy patches. first thing on sunday particularly sunday morning, particularly where got a few showers where still got a few showers lingering to lingering, those continuing to ease out . and really sunday is ease out. and really sunday is looking fine for many of looking like a fine for many of us. certainly throughout the morning, sunny morning, a good number of sunny intervals , a bit cloud just intervals, a bit of cloud just lingering far east of lingering across the far east of england. then for northern is going to turn cloudier into the afternoon rain begins to afternoon as this rain begins to rise damp here. but rise and turn damp here. but where hold on to those where you hold on to those sunshine throughout afternoon it will feel as represent and spnng will feel as represent and spring like highs of 1112 celsius so eastern of england will hold onto the dry weather dunng will hold onto the dry weather during sunday evening . but during sunday evening. but elsewhere the rain is then going to start spreading its way in. and as move into the start new

working that heralds the change to more unsettled weather. so dunng to more unsettled weather. so during monday outbreaks. rain a rather cloudy day for many us and fairly drab across the board some of the driest and perhaps brightest weather actually for nonh brightest weather actually for north areas of scotland where the rain just doesn't arrive until later on. the weather fronts are going to continue as we move throughout the new we then move throughout the new working notice working week but you'll notice that ice is also beginning that the ice is also beginning to so to together once again. so things will tend breezier as we head towards wednesday . so head towards wednesday. so whilst be whilst temperatures will be holding in double digits for many us that will just take many of us that will just take an edge off things . enjoy the an edge off things. enjoy the rest of your day. i'm mark white as gb news security as gb news homeland security edhoni as gb news homeland security editor, i covered key issues that so important to you. that are so important to you. our authorities our communities doing all they can combat violent crime with public services under unbearable . why services under unbearable. why are we still failing to control our borders? defends first priority of any government has been continually hollowed out . been continually hollowed out. can we trust our politicians to protect the armed forces . join

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