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latest headlines. then a thank you and good afternoon. it's for recall i'm tatiana sanchez in gb newsroom the home has defended a plan send illegal migrants to rwanda that says the government confirmed more than 200 people crossed the channel yesterday following five days of inactivity to celebrate is in the rwandan capital kigali where she's been given a tour of a housing site which will provide long term accommodation for refugees as she maintains the government's deportation policy which faced some criticism will act as a powerful deterrent for those considering dangerous journeys and small boats. the home secretary visited a training and centre where she addressed some of the graduates . we are absolutely delighted and excited about our

partnership with rwanda to be creating a vibrant community here, to be a positive , secure, here, to be a positive, secure, beautiful haven and for many of people and i'm really about the contribution that these talented graduates will be making to the of rwanda and the security of many, many people . donald trump many, many people. donald trump says he expects to be arrested on tuesday , writing on his on tuesday, writing on his website truth social . well, he website truth social. well, he called on his supporters to protest and take the nation back . the manhattan district attorney's is likely to bring charges against the former us president over an alleged hush payment made to the adult film stormy daniels in, the run up to the 2016 election. no former president has ever been criminally charged . trump has criminally charged. trump has been impeached twice. first, the attorney's office , corrupt and attorney's office, corrupt and highly politico and the chair of

republican greg swensen told the move will not work . this is just move will not work. this is just another at getting to trump . you another at getting to trump. you know trump derangement syndrome alive and well in spite of the fact that it's been over two years since he was in office . years since he was in office. lot of these days and in some especially the southern new york ran they ran their campaigns with the slogan i'm going to get trump. i don't think this will work. i don't i think it will backfire. ultimately ultimately . the snp's chief executive resigned with immediate effect. it follows reports peter murrell, who's also nicola sturgeon's husband, was facing the threat of a vote of no confidence . a row over the confidence. a row over the party's membership . in party's membership. in a statement, he , while there was statement, he, while there was no intent to mislead , he accepts no intent to mislead, he accepts that's been the outcome . michael that's been the outcome. michael russell will oversee the operation of the snp headquarters in the interim . the

headquarters in the interim. the has warned passengers face further rail misery . the further rail misery. the government offers new money in union negotiations . thousands of union negotiations. thousands of its members 40 train operators walked out for the second time in a space of days. it's led to wide travel disruption with fewer than 50% of train services across the country expected to run rmt . general secretary becky run rmt. general secretary becky lynch says transport ministers need to follow the example of other government departments. we need a change, we need the government to make a change in attitude. there's a bit of that this week we've seen in the service and maybe in the teachers the difference in those deals is there are no conditions that it's new money for our members having to swallow expect it to swallow vast changes to their working conditions and they're not prepared to do that in order to get a very modest poor pay rise . meanwhile, poor pay rise. meanwhile, thousands of bus drivers , the

thousands of bus drivers, the west midlands, will go on an indefinite from monday. unite employed by national express backed the walkout by 71. the strike will affect local bus services , not the scheduled services, not the scheduled white coaches . russia's white coaches. russia's president putin visiting crimea to mark the ninth anniversary of its annexation . ukraine. moscow its annexation. ukraine. moscow sees the territory in 2014 eight years before launching a full scale invasion of ukraine. kyiv has vowed to expel russia from crimea and all of its occupied territories . a court hearing in territories. a court hearing in pakistan , the former prime pakistan, the former prime minister imran khan has been cancelled following further between his supporters and security forces . khan was due to security forces. khan was due to appear to face charges of corruption, but local reports claim he was unable to leave vehicle due to chaotic scenes . vehicle due to chaotic scenes. the court in islamabad , he was the court in islamabad, he was able to mark his attendance before returning to his home in lahore, which earlier was raided

by police. it follows days of standoffs outside his property with police attempting to arrest him earlier this week. he's of unlawfully selling state gifts given to him by foreign dignitary while in office . and dignitary while in office. and lineker says the support from his colleagues at the bbc has been gratifying and quite beautiful. the match of the day presenter taken off air last week after comparing the language used to launch the government's new illegal migration bill with that of 19305 migration bill with that of 1930s germany. he returns later today to cover the fa cup quarter final between manchester and burnley . this a gb news will and burnley. this a gb news will bnng and burnley. this a gb news will bring you more news as happens. now let's return to nana akua akua. good afternoon. it is fast approaching 7 minutes after

4:00. this is a gb news on tv onune 4:00. this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio. with me nana aware . oh dear. the with me nana aware. oh dear. the snp are in crisis. with me nana aware. oh dear. the snp are in crisis . the departure snp are in crisis. the departure of nicola sturgeon who.7 my mother just can't stand of nicola sturgeon who.7 my motherjust can't stand . i just mother just can't stand. i just castile that a woman after her disastrous reforms which many have blamed for the snp losing 40% of its membership now out by three shockingly bad candidates potentially replace her as last the snp in dire straits. unfortunately nicola has also left the bad stench in her wake because it emerged on friday that husband peter murrell, the snp's chief executive, had inadvertently bogus figures to disguise the fact that the snp were haemorrhaging members . were haemorrhaging members. moray firth the snp head of communications and research , had communications and research, had been apparently told to deny reports that the party had lost some 30,000 members. he branded

reports as inaccurate and drivel but it turned out that the reports were in fact true. and moray claimed he'd been misled. and it was only two of the three leadership candidates kate forbes ash regan wrote to peter murrell, that's nicola's hubby , murrell, that's nicola's hubby, to force his hand. but the actual figures were released . actual figures were released. peter claimed that he had become a distraction . where have we a distraction. where have we heard that before .7 from the heard that before? from the leadership race and resigned before he was pushed . and it's before he was pushed. and it's not going that well for the candidates. either the other day, front runner devout muslim snp favourite humza who ducked the same sex marriage vote, provides us with an insight into his skills of tact. diplomacy with this disastrous . when with this disastrous. when speaking to women from the ukraine. okay, so one one question i have is will all the men what a flaming and insensitive question the men are

currently fighting and dying in putin's unprovoked war. more like humza yousaf less. he was even caught driving insurance as transport minister. and you couldn't make this up . then couldn't make this up. then there's candidate number two. kate forbes , so—called a rising kate forbes, so—called a rising star within the although she's also a member of the free church of scotland, which may prove problem due their opposition problem due to their opposition to abortion and same sex marriage, which many believe is regressive could her regressive and could her objective making when objective decision making when it comes to these issues . and it comes to these issues. and finally, candidate number three backbencher ash regan . and he backbencher ash regan. and he promised to dump nicola gender recognition reform bill. she even resigned over at one point. she said that she would seek to introduce laws all transgender prisoners go to in accordance with their biological sex suggests . a trans wing? yes very suggests. a trans wing? yes very sensible woman. she doesn't sound that battle that nobody's really heard of her until. she resigned over that slim . resigned over that slim. frankly, the snp are in trouble. well, the 89 year old party are, as i spoke person said, after

many years of delivering for the people across and working towards a better future as an independent country . the snp independent country. the snp remains the biggest star and indeed the only mass membership indeed the only mass membership in scotland that we remain grateful to our large and committed membership , all their committed membership, all their support which has done so much to fuel our electoral success. the sadly doesn't appear to be an appetite for independence . so an appetite for independence. so before we get stuck into the debate here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm are you warming to the tories? over the last month, the tories to be getting the job done. prime rishi sunak. who? nobody could really find. but turns out he'd agreed a remarkable deal between northern ireland and the eu. number ten also seemed to be making headway with immigration after agreement with after striking an agreement with france in recent weeks . that france in recent weeks. that meant that france would actually spend the at their

spend more than the uk at their border and that just the government have reached a deal with the nhs to end strike action. you beginning to action. so. are you beginning to warm to the tories and have for 50 years for a round up time? royal angela levin and social victoria lady victoria hervey will be in the studio to give me the latest from behind the palace walls menu. prince palace walls on the menu. prince harry are their harry and meghan are their decision to come to king charles's coronation and why earth is fergie the duchess of york not? why is she the duchess of york? although that is good of york? although that is a good question. is she coming question. but why is she coming out for meghan. all out in? praise for meghan. all of stay tuned to find of a sudden. stay tuned to find out more at 5:00. it is this week's difficult conversation and i'll be joined by lucy beale, lotte and tony ceo of deborah to discuss a super rich condition known as butterfly skin. despite the many challenges with the condition, which includes blistering skin. lucy has remained a beacon of hope and an inspiration for. others. don't miss this incredible. that's on the way in the next hour as ever. tell me what you think of everything

we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.uk . tweet me at . gbviews@gbnews.uk. tweet me at. gb news. right let's welcome again to my. broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also broadcaster , political broadcaster, political commentator sam dowler . well, commentator sam dowler. well, nice to see to see, nancy. they are not. okay. now, look, nick, the sturgeon, she's sort of gone now, isn't she? yeah. good but in her wake , there's been a bit in her wake, there's been a bit of a disaster with the assembly. i mean, it's all falling apart. i mean, it's all falling apart. i mean, it's all falling apart. i mean , humza yousaf. i mean, i mean, humza yousaf. i mean, that was. was that fancy speaking to people whose husbands fighting in husbands are fighting in a warzone and asking them where all the men? yeah, well, i'm sorry . worm turned it sorry. the worm has turned it were and i wonder why she left . were and i wonder why she left. and here we go. it's all coming, isn't it? her hubby peter morrell. you see, smell a rat here. i really do because i smell a rat. look like hello there and i happen to loathe

nicola. she a big personality and they're big shoes to fill and they're big shoes to fill and i think any of these three candidates are up to much, to be honest. no the only saving thing is that there is ash regan to aboush is that there is ash regan to abolish this horrific reform bill and that's and two candidates actually that jk rowling is a national treasure who as know jk rowling actually , said that nicola sturgeon was the destroyer of . all women's the destroyer of. all women's rights. yeah so for me, i think . it's got to be ash regan , . it's got to be ash regan, though. i though i know you're to say about kate forbes, at least she was honest enough, you what though? yeah but she was she was very open and honest. and it's very unusual for any . and it's very unusual for any. well, that's sad when we're that somebody is open and honest about views are a little bit of data totally just a bit out. so i would say ash regan . well, i i would say ash regan. well, i mean, i'm not going to i'm not going to be disappointed by the

by the demise of the snp because i believe in the union and i believe that scotland should remain of the united kingdom. however i mean, other than the unfortunate piece of you just showed with use of that, i mean, that was just obviously a gaffe and i believe in most of all what what he has said. i don't agree with you about the other two. i don't agree with you about jk rowling. i think she have lineker have done, have as gary lineker have done, stating stated stating that it's stated probably even their own who doesn't work for the bbc. so but and also this isn't about j.k. rowling. i just put obviously, however, you know, kate , it is however, you know, kate, it is problematic. it is problematic to say that you know, if to say that she you know, if given the opportunity, she wouldn't for gay marriage or she wouldn't for gay marriage or she would she wouldn't for would or she wouldn't for abortion mean, come abortion rights. i mean, come on. i mean, we're going back decades, we all going back, decades, but we all going back, which is like saying that i think that that takes think that like that takes out of completely. i ash of money completely. i mean, ash regan like you regan, you know, she's like you said . i mean, really knows who said. i mean, really knows who she . so think, humza she is. so i think, look, humza yousaf is a he knows he's he's a safe pair of hands on a gaff.

but other than that was no, he didn't have insurance. and that means minister for medicare means like minister for medicare for this not his total for all and this not his total error . so for all and this not his total error. so you're driving basically illegal whilst being the minister for transport. no, it's not. except she said that with his no. with his no. see i think that's nowhere near not wearing a seatbelt is like okay you shouldn't doing that but actually not having exactly papers. what for you think that would have been driver . i papers. what for you think that would have been driver. i i'm not reagan and aren't using the trans community as a political football to win points . but it football to win points. but it hasn't. but it never won any points. they lost that. so they that that's that's the whole point like it was was it was a disaster and whether you think that's why nicola sturgeon resigned that was what resigned or and that was what have been would have been one of the but i don't think the reasons but i don't think trans would been trans people all would have been again be with that what again want to be with that what i'm sorry and she and her husband she knew this was coming she you know, he he would she you know, well, he he would have incompetent anyway.

have got incompetent anyway. yeah that does reek slightly of. okay leaving a trail behind the party is now literally haemorrhaging . i mean, like haemorrhaging. i mean, like first october, which is when started talking about reforms and everything and that is actually when ash regan to sort of resign . so or then she of resign. so or then she obviously came back. the fact of this is that they started having votes at that point and those lost roughly thousand members. yeah a short space of time. oh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's they're going. but but, but also membership, like you say, like the tory party, for example, the membership 140,000. now membership is like 140,000. now like these aren't people like being member of the party. being a member of the party. like it means like what you pay your membership fee, etc. i your membership fee, etc. etc. i like, who really cares like, i mean who really cares about that? that does say something . the party. something about. the party. yeah. well all yeah. so anyway. well they all thoughts you're watching like thoughts if you're watching like welcome you're welcome to your company you're with this is dvds on with me i'm done this is dvds on tv online and on digital radio. maybe you're in scotland and you think after the think otherwise. after the break. for our great break. it's time for our great british this hour and i'm british debate this hour and i'm asking all you warming to the

tories striking tories i mean from striking a deal with the eu and by the way ursula von der leyen looked at him was over the northern ireland i mean ireland protocol. i mean seriously that was like her eyes were glazed over with the look of then taking of love and then taking affirmative to help to resolve the immigration issue. again a lot of bromance from macron he looked him the look of love looked at him the look of love what she's doing these people the government changing your opinion. do think keir starmer could do that to and macron and then five it's this week's difficult conversation i've enjoyed by not least phil not to discuss he's very rare genetic condition known as butterflies and the challenges that she faces day to day living with it . you won't want to miss that. stay tuned. some of your thoughts ever. email tbc at thoughts as ever. email tbc at gbnews.uk me what you gbnews.uk and tell me what you think. you also tweet me at think. you can also tweet me at gb views. i've got a pull up right now asking that very question. all you warming to the tories . vote don't go tories. your vote now. don't go anywhere .

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good afternoon. it's fast approaching . 21 minutes after approaching. 21 minutes after 4:00. this is gb views is we all the people's channel launches on tv, online and on radio? no, i'm not equipped . the break we were not equipped. the break we were discussing the snp in crisis this. i have a quick look at what you've been saying. ross says.i what you've been saying. ross says. i also can't stand that woman. no, not you mean. i know alan says great stuff that up bye bye snp it would seem that way is that john says hi nana , way is that john says hi nana, what a wonderful day for our scots hooray good, good to hear from those in scotland as well. thank you so much. your thoughts, right? well it's time for our great british debate this are this hour and i'm asking, are you warming to the tories? that was jeremy hunt was chancellor jeremy hunt revealed his budget this revealed his spring budget this week. conservatives appear week. the conservatives appear to narrowing the gap the to be narrowing the gap with the labour now to a poll labour party now to a poll conducted by earlier in week. hunt also announced a rescue

which saved thousands of jobs as the uk arm of the us bank, silicon valley bank , which was silicon valley bank, which was sold to hsbc for a pound. now that's a sunak in the last few weeks agreed to deal with the eu on post—brexit trade rules for northern ireland, then even tony blair praised him. he came out from under his rock the come and say something. meanwhile it seems the tory party is making headway . the immigration crisis headway. the immigration crisis after striking deal with france, not to mention home secretary suella braverman in rwanda to reinforce plans deport illegal illegal migrants. that way we are going along side with mark white is there with her and the government appear to be getting the job done they've agreed to pay a the job done they've agreed to pay a deal with the nhs, end the strikes and the budget also featured pension reforms that aim to help retain gp's in order to patient backlog . to tackle the patient backlog. not happy with the 25% that on the business rates been been business tax, but labour have that they would reverse these if they came into power and dubbed they came into power and dubbed

the move a tory tax cut for the rich. critics have said that the red get red wall votes likely to get behind the next behind labour at the next election they feel forgotten election as they feel forgotten about recent budget, with about in the recent budget, with one poll suggesting all 45 seats could turn red. so for the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking, are you warming to the tories joining me is political of the sunday mirror and sunday people not nelson former mep and businessman ben habib former labour minister for europe and writer dennis macshane and ceo of and former trade adviser the uk secretary of state for international trade, shanker singham shanker, i'm going to start with you because . you're start with you because. you're economics man . talk to me about economics man. talk to me about the then because a lot of people are saying that jeremy hunt's budget was actually good in some respects others are saying the labour party say they'd reverse elements of it overview on it . elements of it overview on it. well for having me on and i overall the it's just sort of steady as she goes budget it's a budget that is designed i think

really to tackle some major problems . really to tackle some major problems. the uk economy , we problems. the uk economy, we have a very, very high level debt to gdp. so you want to work on both of those lowering the debt and increasing the gdp, preferably and the tackling the fact that a lot of over 50 which which would apply to meet or were essentially not returning to the workforce. so one of the things that the lifting of the pension cap is to do is to create incentives for people to actually come back to work. because if you have no incentive to come back to work, then we're going to lose these people in the workforce, which is what what has been happening . there's what has been happening. there's also some things around and obviously corporate tax has gone up to 25% from 19. but you have increased allowances for companies, which is problem in terms incentives that we've seen in the in the uk in the past.

and there are other proposals like investment zones which are quite similar to the actually the liz truss or the kwarteng of for investment zones. right so some of the stuff that's been taken is since i want to break thatis taken is since i want to break that is we've seen in the sense that is we've seen in the sense that you minister for europe, you were for the minister for europe. what's your view on it? because, know, it seems be because, you know, it seems be they're catching with the they're catching up with the labour now of those labour party. now some of those things budget seem to be things in the budget seem to be to all the right, people. i think are not quite in that think they are not quite in that sense. i agree very much what think they are not quite in that sensjust agree very much what think they are not quite in that sensjust been very much what think they are not quite in that sensjust been said much what think they are not quite in that sensjust been said what1what think they are not quite in that sensjust been said what you at was just been said what you said. now the adults are back in charge in british politics. we are the seven years after brexit with may and truss and johnson and corbyn. the politics is countries in complete meltdown. now we've to sensible lead is arguably you could say that rishi is nicking his clothes because what his kids is shocked lots lots of things down he's got rid of his awkward squad now

if rishi gets lucky this week and boris johnson's found guilty by the standard the committee of the house of commons that's game over for football i think rishi is opening good lines now with the eu as the is broadly accepted. the point of view of northern ireland and dublin's of view that if we voted on on wednesday he's gone off and paid emmanuel macron ,550 million, he needs for all of his pension reforms in other words we're talking common politics. we had a rather boring budget which doesn't frighten the horses in any way at all, and that's cherry's job throughout his he's always managed decline decline of the nhs. it's boring for all of the nhs. it's boring for all of us, but before is very important . get of us, but before is very important. get this big ben have been ben benefit but ben sorry can you hear me? maybe we can hear you back . yes i am not

hear you back. yes i am not warming to the tories at all. i it was an awful budget . the it was an awful budget. the increase in corporation tax which took it back to levels we haven't seen for a long time i think was the single worst move by the government . don't agree by the government. don't agree that the offset that it offered at the same time relief for investment made will make any difference really to the british economy. 80% of the british economy. 80% of the british economy services so doesn't make the kind of investments that were creating the offset taxes are at a 70 year high post—world war high. and if you believe that taxes need to at an optimum level to maximise take and to engender growth taxes have to be cut, not put up . so i think what cut, not put up. so i think what we've seen with this with this latest budget is more of the same kind of economic management that we've had for 13 years, which is tax highly and choose how to spend money. and those eight, those sorry, those zones

that the government set for investment a quite different to the ones proposed by liz truss because liz truss was to engender growth by cutting taxes in those areas. this is actually an £80 million handout to each of the 12 areas. and i think the six and a half billion pound handout for childcare is misplaced what should be doing is cutting taxes across the board for everyone. the six and a half billion would have enabled to do something like a one in a quarter, one and a half % cut from the basic of % cut from the basic rate of tax. and that's they should tax. and that's what they should have than to have done than trying to micromanage the micromanage which part of the workforce works . and i also workforce works. and i also think that reforms the reforms that they made to the pension schemes won't work. the over fifties are not not working because they're bemoaning the fact that they can't contribute to their pensions. they're not working for the same reasons that other age groups that lots of other age groups aren't working. that's because it work anymore . it doesn't pay to work anymore. tax rates are so high they have to come across board. so i to come across the board. so i think it was a typical tory

budget . it's not tory think it was a typical tory budget. it's not tory and it's in traditional sense. it's high taxation and the choice goes to the government as to how to spend the money and we're not going to get in the economy and that's kill the government recognise that it has cut recognise that it has to cut taxes without growth by way taxes and without growth by way and this is i disagree with shanker on on this point as. shanker on on on this point as. well growth there's no well without growth there's no in debt. in fact, you will never get the way to get i get okay the only way to get i want to bring nigel is by the economy is pretty nicely. yeah i'm far from being a tory budget i'm far from being a tory budget i thought it was rather labour but aside from abolishing the lifetime allowance, which i thought was a slightly odd decision, the rest of the budget seemed to be essentially what keir starmer been calling for. so we had the 2500 energy price guarantee maintain freeze on duty free extra childcare they nicked labour's labour's plan for a great british company by

announcing great british nuclear . so as i say, aside from penny from the that the allowance that was there were all the things that been calling for so as far as warning to the tories go , i as warning to the tories go, i just thought people might want a labour on the basis of budget like this . well, if they're like this. well, if they're doing all the stuff that the labour party would have done and people would have gone for the labour party there, there's not much in it. do you think that there's sea there's been there is a sea shift. do you think there's a change are actually change and that are actually warming? dennis what do you think? do you feel. no, not not not yet. when you look at the polls , the tories now say you no polls, the tories now say you no longer a minus, 20, —18, a minus 17. n0, longer a minus, 20, —18, a minus 17. no, no, no, no . it was well, 17. no, no, no, no. it was well, it is now it's minus 11. no one is letting one poll. now, look , is letting one poll. now, look, none of us in this conversation are going to get into an argument on polls. you better not have a nightmare. you ain't going to win . so i think should

going to win. so i think should x carb lot of people down that should be good for labour. you've just heard ben ben represents it was the angry part of britain that's always been pubuc of britain that's always been public , dissatisfied for the public, dissatisfied for the last 20 years. and he's very angry . john, i think all you got angry. john, i think all you got to say that, ben, then he said you're very angry. you represent the angry call of britain . ben the angry call of britain. ben oh, i'm not dissatisfied . i'm oh, i'm not dissatisfied. i'm only dissatisfied five because of the trajectory of the poor state. it's in and the failure of the government to come up with policies that are actually going to put the economy back on its feet again. remember national debt is at a post—world war two high taxes , a post—world war two high taxes, a post—world war two high taxes, a post—world war two, high inflation at a 40 year high. it the net median wage of the tax is not much more than what you would earn on benefits, but we all on a cheap, unskilled labour force to drive the economy while the economy is broken, public sector is broken . that's not you don't see that

nofion . that's not you don't see that notion that's satisfying good boys isn't this what we needed though in terms of a budget i this isn't that that's what jeremy hunt seems to think where i with that is there does need to be a focus on growth and we are seeing policies that are beginning and in the very very early stages. i would say of doing that . so for example, one doing that. so for example, one of the things that isn't talked about very much in the budget is regulatory review for innovation and creative industries and so forth . you're going to get a forth. you're going to get a much, much bigger impact gdp per capha much, much bigger impact gdp per capita from these microeconomic reforms and that what we need to accelerate now we've had in the financial services sector we to have a lot more and a lot more quickly . i have a lot more and a lot more quickly. i think have a lot more and a lot more quickly . i think with regard to quickly. i think with regard to gdp on the one hand and debt on the other, have you also you have to work on both gdp per caphain have to work on both gdp per capita in the uk going to 2004

five was around the same level as as the us were both around this sector running out of time. we already had some so it's tough stop you that we on the high point it's widened massively in the last 30 years we've had very sluggish growth and we do need to focus on these but we have to do it in a sensible fashion and briefly . sensible fashion and briefly. the tories doing it in a sensible fashion. yes. or chukken sensible fashion. yes. or chukker. well, i would not like to see that they're not painting this . i to see that they're not painting this. i like to see the to see that they're not painting this . i like to see the pace this. i like to see the pace increase , but that . okay, what increase, but that. okay, what about you briefly that a yes or no answer . so about you briefly that a yes or no answer. so do you think people are warming to the tories? yes or no? the is no and it all depends on for the election. yes, well, for people yes or no, that is me saying yes or no no. yes. and then the bbc or no no. yes. and then the bbc or the i've got ben wallace. he's not definite on definitely a no i haven't not i think the tories are disaster people can't

say yes alison. thank you so much for your thoughts. political editor sunday mirror and three people, nigel nelson , and three people, nigel nelson, former mep businessman former mep and businessman benefited. former labour minister dennis minister for europe dennis macshane of competition macshane and ceo of competition and former trade advise at the united states trade representative. a second. thank you, guys. you're with me . this you, guys. you're with me. this is tv on tv online and on digital radio. on the way, we'll with that great british debate houn with that great british debate hour. i'm asking, are you warming to the tories? you hear the thoughts panel the thoughts of my panel columnist and broadcaster lizzie cundy and, political cundy and, also political commentator sam commentator and broadcaster sam . let's get the . but first, let's get the latest news headlines . then. latest news headlines. then. nana, thank and good afternoon. it's 434. i'm tatiana sanchez . it's 434. i'm tatiana sanchez. the latest news headlines, the secretary has defended a plan send illegal migrants to after the government confirmed more than 200 people crossed the channel following five days of inactivity suella braverman is inactivity suella braverman is in the rwandan capital, kigali,

where she's been given a tour of a housing which will provide long term accommodation for refugees . she maintains the refugees. she maintains the government's policy, which has faced some criticism, will act as a powerful deterrent for those considering dangerous journeys and small boats. times secretary also visited a training education centre where she addressed some of the graduates . we are absolutely graduates. we are absolutely delighted and excited about our partnership with rwanda to be creating a vibrant community here to be a positive , secure, here to be a positive, secure, beautiful haven and for many thousands of people and i'm really about the contribution that these talented graduates will be making to the prosperity of rwanda and, the security of many, many people . donald trump many, many people. donald trump says expects to be arrested on tuesday and writing on his site.

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so welcome back here with me. i'm nana akua. so welcome back here with me. i'm nana akua . this is gb news i'm nana akua. this is gb news onto the online digital. ready to get us work. you can download the news app now it's time for our great british debate this hour. british and i'm asking, are you warming to the tories? is the chance revealed his spnng is the chance revealed his spring budget this the conservatives appear to keep narrowing the gap with the labourin narrowing the gap with the labour in the polls all whilst in the last few weeks agreed to

a remarkable deal with the eu over the northern ireland protocol, which even tony blair, he crawled from under the he was on the to make some comments. meanwhile it seems the tory is making headway with the immigration crisis after striking a deal with france, not to mention the home secretary suella braverman is in rwanda to reinforce plans to deport illegal migrants. to that now the government appears to be getting the job done. they've also agreed pay a deal with the nhs to end the strikes and includes pension reform to the budget to keep nhs doctors in work. so i'm asking, are you warming to the tories? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by columnist and broadcaster cundy, also political commentator sam dowler. that is not like the others. they couldn't give me a straight sighs again, straight answer. sighs again, irritated . all this. i'll give irritated. all this. i'll give you a straight well you a straight answer. well start with sam and then let's see what have say. get see what have to say. get started no warming started last time, no warming the tories at all. i'm sure i might have discussed it before on this panel on the show. my

died during the during the pandemic. oh, i'm to hear that. yes. and i had covid the time. so when he died downstairs i had to go back upstairs and i stayed in front of the five days on my own without able to hug my mother on my part because we didn't coverage of cancer. but it was obviously during the time and i couldn't give it to my i couldn't give it to my sister, who was eight from australia and they were having parties in number 10. so i just can't i just can't forgive. i mean i, guessi just can't forgive. i mean i, guess i agree they're making some headway i do, but they still come across as like, you know, even even last week there was it , there was a bill about, was it, there was a bill about, about banning big game hunters, like bringing back like any parts of a lion , parts of parts of a lion, parts of a giraffe and was a backbench tory that was like stick it in the mud saying like i you know you know they should be to it's just that they still come across as the and i like when it the party and i like when it comes when it comes to the next general election people will want to punish them. i want to

punish want to vote punish them i want to vote against and at against them. and also, at the same you say with same time, you would say with regard to the parties and things you led to you own, whether it was led to civil well you were civil servants as well you were a cross—party. so you know. so what you're saying it was the governments like i accept that bofis governments like i accept that boris may have been at one or two maybe not some, and two or maybe not at some, and they know what was going they did not know what was going on. where she was. but on. but she where she was. but the line that the the bottom line that the perpetrators of a of these perpetrators of a lot of these policies civil servants who policies were civil servants who across formed and across and they formed and that's fine but it's been it's not it's curry gate but it's the idea that they would do it but they they were the ones who it was civil servants but also unlike your guest said as unlike your guest just said as well, know, a lot of well, like, you know, a lot of a lot of their new ideas been i've been like, you know, co—opted from anyway. so the from labour anyway. so the labour turning to the labour party turning to the tory party exactly. yes party. well exactly. so yes i mean apart them. exactly. you said the senate point and said the senate to the point and so they will people so the point is they will people will vote against the tories and labour will come in and then hopefully be much hopefully won't be that much difference you say i'm difference as as you say so i'm saying conclusion . no i'm saying no. in conclusion. no i'm not going to take somebody who's

able to answer question able to answer that question straight. the other struggle , straight. the other struggle, lizzie, moving to the tory is the answer is no way. every time ihear the answer is no way. every time i hear like put on my overcoat and turn up the radiators, i really am sick to death of them and just because i mean people's go memories go back a little bit further than just this budget with a few gimmicks. that's probably a lot of what their policies are going to take two years anyway to fulfil . now years anyway to fulfil. now let's shall we go through their track record ? i mean, just look track record? i mean, just look at immigration. i legal's costing 8 million that day. we had just awful a disastrous mini—budget which all spoke markets. she just did it in all the wrong way. all these tax burdens since world war two total lack investments in energy , huge shortage of skilled inflation at 10. we go on nhs still a shambles strikes still going on. i stuck in the teachers they were parading protesting town like they were

they actually thinking i hope them took out the way they thought i was supporting. no, but it was a magic. thought i was supporting. no, but it was a magic . you were but it was a magic. you were supposed to go . i you know it supposed to go. i you know it was actually strikes. i mean you are aware the labour party which is the only option, are in hock with the unions. and i these strikes were i'm no i'm not voting for keir starmer i would vote reform i would not vote for keir starmer. sit on the fence anymore. we get splinters wasn't even with the strike two wouldn't go on the picket lines wouldn't go on the picket lines would he. what did he think it doesn't know what a woman is. i call him with that i'm call him lead with that i'm going be as i'm going to be as a woman i'm absolutely going on about it. i don't want women to forget that the opposition was the leader of the opposition was unable whether unable to determine. whether a woman was that, that a trap woman was that, that was a trap set . the trap set by the it was set. the trap set by the it was a make to make it to make it right. let me see if sam falls into the trap. well, the woman have a woman is an have a penis. a woman is an aduu have a penis. a woman is an adult gave but also adult he gave a penis. but also i believe that a transwomen is a woman well. does woman have woman as well. does a woman have a no , no. there you

a penis? well, no, no. there you go. on stage, a doesn't go. on stage, a woman doesn't have a penis. how can leader have a penis. how can the leader of opposition of the opposition party say a woman penis? it doesn't woman has a penis? it doesn't because of its because it was trying trap into saying trying to trap into saying something about what they did, exactly wanted. that's exactly what they wanted. that's why talking about it why we're still talking about it now. adult. now. that's a female adult. i couldn't because was couldn't just say it because was so of upsetting personal so scared of upsetting personal maybe that and trying to be with the minority and say the right thing and he got it totally . you thing and he got it totally. you know, mean, again it's not know, i mean, again it's not right and he's johnson is part of oxford you what are you of oxford you for what are you talking about you okay she's go go talking about you okay she's go 9° ' talking about you okay she's go go , go. that's the thing . this go, go. that's the thing. this is obviously a cultural nightmare . that's and that's why nightmare. that's and that's why that happened with . that was one that happened with. that was one specific interview with keir for the rest of the time. i think he is you know, he's a stand up individual and i will and will do what i'm saying because that's what i thought we could prove it. can we get back to the tory party that we weren't really going to happen . but but really going to happen. but but lizzie , what do you think

lizzie, what do you think though, if you look at it then as you said, you go reform the labour party reforms unlikely to get it and so one vote to reform is probably taken with the labour party ultimately, although potentially the two conservative and reform could potentially have a coalition and then you've got a larger party. but the fact remains that some of things she has done of the things that she has done in last few months because in the last few months because really months while really been a few months while she's charge have she's been in charge have actually things forward actually moved things forward and they have progressed is the tories are catching ten points they caught up ten points. so they caught up ten points. so the 20 point lag , it's now about the 20 point lag, it's now about 11 points. yeah. i still think and i'll be honest, people will forgive rishi for backstabbing bofis forgive rishi for backstabbing boris and i, people don't trust i don't trust him and he's giving away taxpayers money. rwanda . 114 million. how is rwanda. 114 million. how is going to really work out? people are getting sick of this and it isn't. i'll hold my breath. i'm going to say now it won't happen to me, sir, i'm going stop you that this this says nothing with you and your view says welcome a

british voice is there opportunity to be on the show and think and tell us what they think about we're discussing? about topics we're discussing? let's to lee harris. let's go over to lee harris. where in personal where is he? he's in personal stuff, he's stuff, i reckon. yes, he's moved. you've got about a minute, lee. what do you think? are tories? are you warming to the tories? surely doing something surely they are doing something is . yeah. there's is useful now. yeah. there's definitely been an improvement in. the polls, you know, for the some reasons you've some of the reasons you've mentioned i'll quick to mentioned. but i'll be quick to repeat said, repeat what you said, but i think is early to tell think it is too early to tell labour still dominating and sadly as it stands they'll almost certainly form the next government my view. there government in my view. there three key areas. the need to focus on to have any chance of winning in the next election really simple the economy which is fixed to fixing cost of living crisis improving the tax immigration and the culture war in order as well the cost of living crises is probably the single most important thing concerning voters and it's the conservatives currently people republicans say they feel off since the start of the pandemic. if the conservatives can turn this around and get lucky with

inflation, this is going to give them a huge boost. number two, immigration this time can make a real difference to illegal immigration. this is going to really boost their chances. it's immigration is still one of the biggest reasons. the right people are hesitant for voting for labour and the tories needs capitalise on that. just very last point and in my view a very important one is the cultural for me this is one of the most important where the tories are actually slightly ahead in my view your public are more augned view your public are more aligned with conservative and labour when it comes to these ridiculous progressive politics. in a recent is nicola sturgeon's ridiculous gender recognition agenda. that was just a joke, right? labour and starmer welcomed it. tories blocked it. and as it happens, the majority people agreed with the conservatives well. it's only cost her a job didn't listen lee harris thank you so much always a pleasure thusly harris is a great british investor thank you so much . well, you're with me. so much. well, you're with me. this is gp on tv, online and on

radio. after the break, it's time our royal round up royal biographer angela dividend socialite lady victoria hervey will be giving me the latest harry and meghan and the funny story what fergie and diana got up to on the duchess of york heading to don't miss that it's on way .

it's just coming up to 7 minutes till it's 5:00. this is dvd. we are the people's channel. i'm not a now there's always something going on in the royal household and this week is no different. the princess of wales has made royal history this week when she took us, the when she took us, took the salute for the very first time as colonel of the irish guards and. prince harry is suing the mail on sunday, an article that was written about security he was written about a security he in uk. so every saturday in the uk. so every saturday like to give you a rundown on who do than royal

who better to do than royal biographer levin an biographer angela levin an aristocrat victoria . well, aristocrat lady victoria. well, i'm going to start with you, angela. there's a lot on with these roles and i wish we wish go. what should we start with. oh with i think oh we can start with i think catherine , one of the things catherine, one of the things that i thought was absolutely moving about her taking over was that william husband had done it first, but he taken over from his father is not dead. unfortunately and his work is kind of for the wales and so he can't that one but the way he passed over the way he looked at her what she dressed was absolutely stunning. i and she had full buttons on her turquoise coat and then a gap and then four buttons because that's exactly same as the uniform that the irish guards wear , which i thought was an wear, which i thought was an incredibly nice time servant of you and countess as one, two, as we all got oh, i've got nothing

else. do . and and also he said else. do. and and also he said that he wants to he's very happy to. pass the coat. coat cannon. colonel over and that would be very dutiful and she would be very dutiful and she would be very hard working . he praised very hard working. he praised her to the roof and when she went on she said how grateful she was and that she it was a real honour. i thought it was really nice. royal of actually admiring each other and moving on. but it came to drinking guinness because yesterday was st patrick's day . he couldn't st patrick's day. he couldn't finish the pint, but i think she quite well. or does she do better than him. i don't know she did better but he certainly didn't want to do it or they made a joke about it. but i thought probably got several other do . but they're other things to do. but they're all sitting around chatting, eating, seemed eating, and it just seemed relaxed and i thought, well ,

relaxed and i thought, well, really nice. we can all be very pleased about that. yeah, because i've got to say, oh, it passed, loved about catherine not in public and it was quite i'd like to see that. not in public and it was quite i'd like to see that . so lady i'd like to see that. so lady victoria, what was your thoughts 7 victoria, what was your thoughts ? what's going on with the royal household? i mean, what was it what's specialism this what's your specialism on this one? going to fergie and one? are you going to fergie and diana then i think the hindu diana and then i think the hindu she i wish i would she sounds super. i wish i would be. i've a couple be. i've i've been on a couple of hindus where we've but of hindus where we've wigs, but we've dressed as police. we've never dressed as police. so story with that ? so what's the story with that? what you mean ? well, what do you mean? well, suggesting a police . my suggesting a police. my experience. no, no . the story experience. no, no. the story was they wanted to celebrate fergie's to prince andrew and they decided they'd do this . so they decided they'd do this. so they decided they'd do this. so they put their grey wigs on and they put their grey wigs on and they went to a club dressed as policemen and the people working said, i'm sorry, we don't give police drugs here. people who come here come for some. so i'm afraid you can't have that . and afraid you can't have that. and they had to leave . and they were

they had to leave. and they were then taken in by police outside , put in a van . and fergie. so , put in a van. and fergie. so some christians started eating . some christians started eating. so that was diana was eating them. it was diana. yeah, i read it was fergie. oh, well, anyway done. it them and one of the policemen came close and said , policemen came close and said, oh my god, it's the. who is this? it's amazing . they got this? it's amazing. they got away quite from that , actually, away quite from that, actually, because they could have easily said earlier on, it's all said earlier on, like, it's all the fact that they actually let themselves be put in the van. oh, well , i themselves be put in the van. oh, well, i think that just kind of shows how fun and how much like sense of i suppose i didn't realise who they were though since. well there is a photograph of it and i studied it very carefully and i recognise one is which because they've got their graves. yeah, apparently diana used to love dressing up right and costume and wigs you know then, now this is story. harry is apparently suing the mail on sunday. we can't talk too much about it. no, but what do we know? what's

that? well, he's he's suing the mail. it was a case that up last year and judge said that they did have harry did have some right that . not all the case right that. not all the case that they were trying to put against him was true. and so they cut off and now it's come back again because the mail on sunday want to answer the situation and, explain why they don't want to you know be taken you know and paid a lot of money for them so that's where it is now but at the same time it's all connected with harry complaining that he hasn't had enough and protection for him and his family. i think it's been going around talking about all these that he was blowing up and his book wouldn't be sorted. i think he's became i mean like now for the coronation this is going to really put him as a target right now? he's in much more danger of what he said

about inspecting . yes and he about inspecting. yes and he mentioned it also in an interview. so it's very, very difficult. but his suing . the difficult. but his suing. the home office as well, he didn't like that they had heard about it and will make a comments about it. but he's also so going to be suing . talk for one second to be suing. talk for one second in this minute. yeah you know, it's like, no, i have a real anything. no, ijust it's like, no, i have a real anything. no, i just feel like, yeah, i mean, whatever he does, he just, he wants to see, you know, every thing that's out there. way though, there. i mean, in a way though, at least he is one the royal at least he is one of the royal family that actually up family that actually stand up for you what for himself. do you know what i mean? a of them mean? because a lot of them wouldn't do that. so in a way, i kind of respect but he kind of respect that. but he needs like not be such a brat about everything. i think it's a tragic way of trying to be powerful to myself. he's also saying the mirror and what was the news of the world is. so that that's the thing. it's like, how can he ever the papers

to be on his side if all he does is sue them? right. it's like there's never going to be a peace. peace offering. no well, to be honest, i mean, i think just wants more for money something soft as well. it's an alternate to selling royal alternate to selling the royal family they're all ghastly. i mean, this would be another that i'm being sarcastic about that i think it's tragic that his all he can do now is make these small planes get a lot of money for it. well thank you very much for it. well thank you very much for joining me, angela levin, forjoining me, angela levin, lady victoria, have always a pleasure that. of course. is the royal up to in royal round up more to come in the next hour . the next hour. is 5:00 here with me. i'm not not of course is cheap it is only the online and digital ready for the next hour me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right on way. headlines right on the way. difficult conversations. i'll be

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deportation policy, which has faced some criticism , will act faced some criticism, will act as a powerful deterrent for those considering dangerous journeys . small boats. the home journeys. small boats. the home secretary visited a training and education centre where she some of the graduates we are absolutely delighted and excited about our partnership with rwanda to be creating a vibrant community here to be a positive secure beautiful haven and home for many thousands of people and i'm really about contribution that these graduates will be making to the prosperity of rwanda and the security of many people . donald trump says he people. donald trump says he expects be arrested on tuesday , expects be arrested on tuesday, writing on his side truth social called on his supporters to protest and take the nation back. the manhattan district attorney's office is likely to bnng attorney's office is likely to bring charges against former us

president over. an alleged hush money payment made to the adult film star stormy daniels in the run up to the 2016 election. no former president has ever criminally charged. trump, who's been impeached twice . the been impeached twice. the attorney's office is corrupt , attorney's office is corrupt, highly political, while the chair of republican overseas swensen says the move will not work . this is just another work. this is just another attempt getting to trump . trump attempt getting to trump. trump derangement syndrome is alive and well in, spite of the fact that it's been over two years since he was in office . so what since he was in office. so what a lot of these days and in some especially the southern york ran they ran their campaigns with they ran their campaigns with the slogan i'm going get trump. i don't think this work. i don't i don't think this work. i don't i think it will backfire ultimately . the i think it will backfire ultimately. the snp's chief executive has resigned with immediate effect . it follows immediate effect. it follows reports peter has also nicola

sturgeon's husband was facing the threat of a vote of no confidence following a row over the party's membership numbers. in a statement he said while there was no intent mislead he accepts that's been the outcome. michael russell will oversee the operation of the snp's headquarters in the interim , the headquarters in the interim, the rmt has warned passengers , will rmt has warned passengers, will face further rail misery unless the government offers new money in union negotiations. thousands of its members at 14, train operators have walked out for the second time in the space of three days. it's led to travel disruption with fewer than 50% of trains services across the country expected to run . rmt country expected to run. rmt general secretary mick lynch says transport need to follow the example . other government the example. other government departments . we need a change, departments. we need a change, we need the government to make change in attitude. there's a bit of that this week we've seen in the health service and maybe in the health service and maybe in the health service and maybe in the teachers unions the difference in those deals , there

difference in those deals, there are conditions that it's new are no conditions that it's new money for our members having to swallow or expect it to swallow. vast changes to their working conditions and they're not prepared do that in order to get a very poor pay rise . meanwhile, a very poor pay rise. meanwhile, thousands of bus drivers in the west midlands will go on indefinite strike from monday . indefinite strike from monday. unite members employed by national express backed the walkouts by 71. the strike will affect local bus services , not affect local bus services, not the scheduled white coaches . the scheduled white coaches. russia's president putin visiting crimea to mark the ninth anniversary of its annexation from ukraine. moscow sees. annexation from ukraine. moscow sees . the territory in 2014. sees. the territory in 2014. eight years before launching a full scale of ukraine. kyiv has vowed to expel russia from crimea and all of its territories . a court hearing in territories. a court hearing in pakistan for the former prime minister imran khan has been cancelled . further clashes

cancelled. further clashes between supporters and security forces . khan was due to appear forces. khan was due to appear to face charges of corruption, but local reports claim he was unable to leave his due to chaotic scenes . the court in chaotic scenes. the court in islamabad . he was able to mark islamabad. he was able to mark his attendance before returning to his home in lahore , which to his home in lahore, which earlier was raided by police . it earlier was raided by police. it follows days of standoff outside his property with police attempting to arrest him on tuesday . he's accused of tuesday. he's accused of unlawfully selling state gifts given to him by foreign dignitaries while in office . and dignitaries while in office. and gary lineker says the from his colleague that the bbc has been hugely gratifying and beautiful. the match the day presenter was taken off air last week after comparing the language to launch the government's new illegal migration bill with that of 1930s, germany he returns later on today to cover the fa cup quarter final between manchester city and burnley burnley . this city and burnley burnley. this says gb news will bring you more

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the ceo of the charity, tony burns, to discuss about this rare condition . then the great rare condition. then the great but debate this hour. i'm asking, should the public have a say in bbc pay ? the bbc is set say in bbc pay? the bbc is set to increase licence fees by £13 next year in line with inflation. and that is this is the likes of gary lineker is expected to make a return to match of the day tonight following his recent suspension from salary . of 1.35 from duties on a salary. of1.35 million paid for by us. the licence player meanwhile he goes also see the even money on top of his already ridiculous salary due to his podcast as a bbc. local radio stations are facing drastic cuts , leading to many drastic cuts, leading to many questions as to what the broadcaster's priorities are . broadcaster's priorities are. then at 550 suella braverman the home secretary of the uk has embarked on an important visit to rwanda this weekend as she reaffirms the nation's commitment to deportation policy as even with your thoughts and everything we discuss vaiews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at

. gb news. so it is time for this week's difficult. today i'm discussing rare and very painful skin condition called epidermolysis bullosa or eb now causes the skin to blister and tear at even the slightest touch, earning it the nickname butterfly skin and people living with eb are often left in constant pain and in severe cases it can even be fatal. now, due to the rarity of the condition, very little funding is allocated to research, leaving with eb to suffer without any effective treatment opfions. without any effective treatment options . but despite the options. but despite the challenges of living with this dc, bill lott is advocate for eb awareness and has urged social media and modelling career to share her experiences and raise awareness about the condition and she's continuously inspiring many with a positive attitude and advocacy efforts. and i'm pleased to say i'm joined in the studio by model and advocate . studio by model and advocate. they are not the ceo of deborah

tony byrne . so lucy, thank you tony byrne. so lucy, thank you so much forjoining . thank you so much for joining. thank you for having me. it means a lot. yeah. well, so talk to me . this yeah. well, so talk to me. this condition we say it condition and after we say it correctly because i'm hoping i got it right. so there are many subtypes of evie, but i have recessive dystrophy. epidermolysis. bullosa or r.d. eb for short it is considered a very severe subtype of eb . it very severe subtype of eb. it affects everything. it affects not only my top of skin, but it also affects every internal surface as well. so mouth, my eyes, my throat , everything. a eyes, my throat, everything. a lot of people , it's just a skin lot of people, it's just a skin condition, but it's a lot more. so what does that mean then to you mean how does it affect you? you say it affects everything. so your organs, your skin , so your organs, your skin, things that people can't see. what does it do to those things it can make . a lot of things it can make. a lot of things very difficult. i really knew i was different up until i had my surgery when i was 12. it was for my throat scar tissue. over time does not stretch it

contracts in this the internal scar tissue . so when i was 12, scar tissue. so when i was 12, my throat closed and i needed to have emergency surgery to open it back up and. i remember whenever they put the oxygen mask on as they put me to sleep for the surgery. and i remember thinking, oh , this might not thinking, oh, this might not just make things difficult, might make things ultimately impossible . and that was the impossible. and that was the first time i really felt the weight of my condition. so did you have it from birth and were they from birth? it they aware of it from birth? it is genetic condition. was is a genetic condition. i was very the hospital was very lucky that the hospital was born texas , was aware of born at in texas, was aware of eb and had seen it before. and i was very quickly diagnosed and then diagnosed genetically a little bit later on. so visually then how did you defer to other babies? how did you come out differently ? so i'm the youngest differently? so i'm the youngest child of three and so my mom knew what was newborn skin and what wasn't. and i was born with entire right thumb was a blister . and she knew that that wasn't quite right. but what really was

an indicator of something being wrong whenever they removed one of the monitoring panels on me and it tore off all my skin and my mom knew there was something very seriously. wow. now, tony, to me about this, this condition then. so for somebody who doesn't fully understand, because i can understand obviously this is a very painful and thing live and difficult thing to live with. but somebody is with. but if somebody is understand how how does it of what technicality of what is the technicality of happening to the person who suffering with this ? it depends suffering with this? it depends on the severity of , the on the severity of, the condition of eb , but in its condition of eb, but in its mildest form , if you can call it mildest form, if you can call it mildest form, if you can call it mild and they might not be able to walk. okay they may not be able to walk down the street because . their gait changes because. their gait changes because. their gait changes because of blistering on their feet and any of friction feet and any sort of friction will come and blistering the it becomes it becomes whether they have to go into wheelchairs i scarring this condition is the they have to have bandage which may take 3 hours a day to put on they have to have a regime of drugs which is painful layers

and inflammation drugs and the mental health aspect is enormous because sometimes they just will not go out of the house because of the concern i about of the concern i have about being hit that will being touched or hit that will affect their skin. so to this difficult subject of eb is what deborah is set up to do. we were the first global or patient organisation set up in 1978 and what our task to do, if you look at it in two buckets, one is that today we have a community sports that will go in to a hospital when the child is born and help the family through difficult. your child has eb through their journey of life how they progressed into school, how they progressed into school, how they progressed into school, how they educate teachers , how they educate teachers, parents, students , and they take parents, students, and they take them through the secondary school into relationships . that school into relationships. that is about emotional support, financial support and guidance and practical tips is . there is and practical tips is. there is the first thing on the mental health element is we are first person they talk to . in terms of person they talk to. in terms of tomorrow though we look at

research so we don't get government funding. our funding comes donors, trusts . and we've comes donors, trusts. and we've got over 100 shops throughout the uk and this actually generates money for to us support community support teams . we have holiday homes and then in for research and in terms tomorrow, we've launched this year a £5 million appeal to try and get three millions for drug repurposing . so at the moment, repurposing. so at the moment, lucy has no drug that is for her what to get a new drug onto the market takes 15 to 20 years and it could cost $100 million because the for every one drug 99 fails in the nhs today there drugs for psoriasis and eczema for about 20 drugs that have already gone . their safety already gone. their safety profiles are in use . we've profiles are in use. we've talked to the top dermatology just in the uk and eb specialists and they believe if these drugs were used in for the community it will help their quality of life. but do that you need a half million pounds in a clinical trial so you're raising funds so that comes with that.

so lucy basically what happens is touches you or is if somebody touches you or you have some surgery or something blister. something that's or blister. yes, it become very difficult to manage and deal with evie exists on a spectrum so i'm very lucky in that my skin does have some resistance to friction whenever was growing up in texas i did things like riding if the social benefit of doing the activity outweighed risk of me getting hurt, my mom let me do it. but once skin does blister, you run the risk of the skin becoming fragile in area . so for me fragile in that area. so for me my fragile areas are the my most fragile areas are the areas that saw increase in friction as a child and if i was safe learning how to crawl so my knees my feet , my hands and my knees my feet, my hands and my elbows are worst affected areas . and how do you cope with it on a day to day and what is your regime when you get out? do you have to take a of drugs the do it absolutely on the day you have each as it comes have to take each as it comes with this which helps gain perspective some days perspective because some days can be really good but other my day hours before day will start hours before peers do because i need to dress

my wounds before i leave the house i'm not on any painkillers at the moment, but if that were part of my regime. i would have to make sure i was properly to make sure that i was properly medicated an medicated before. i did an activity i knew would cause activity that i knew would cause me . so it just absolutely me pain. so it just absolutely depends on day, which is for a lot of people why this is so mentally challenging, because you cannot prepare for the future. you just have to take not even every day, every minute, every hour. it can change, can experience joy, pain , love in same hour, another cope mentally and also with your relation with people. and i mean because that must be very, very hard. yeah i credit my mother a lot of my mindset . she and my lot of my mindset. she and my siblings. absolutely. they never treated me like there's anything wrong with me. so whenever i was growing up, i didn't think there was wrong . me i had was anything all wrong. me i had a lot of different comments about, as i was about, my skin, when as i was growing it growing up, but i knew that it came from a place of ignorance and something . but whenever

and not something. but whenever i was 17 and i was living in texas, still, and i was picking up my dog from the vet, i were short so you could see the scars on the vet's on knees and at the vet's office. woman i had met office. a woman i had never met before . i looked at me and said, before. i looked at me and said, you like you've been mauled you look like you've been mauled by happened to by a gorilla. what happened to you. had experience this you. and i had experience this kind negativity my kind of negativity before in my life. that life. but something about that experience was just much different. i remember my dog different. so i remember my dog putting my lap and putting him in my lap and calling the car and calling my mom from the car and just sobbing and, saying, i, this is too much. mom this is too much. and my mom said, know what? you need said, you know what? you need to write it. need to write about it. you need to write about it. you need to write need to write this. people need to understand were going understand what you were going through. . but then through. so i did. but then i quickly understood , even though quickly understood, even though my were powerful , they my words were powerful, they could, know, carry me could, you know, carry me across the seeing is an entirely the ocean, seeing is an entirely different i could put my of my scars in my body with this writing and people understand a very small glimpse of what people with abby go through. so i did begin modelling as a means of raising awareness . my of raising awareness. my education, but i also really quickly found out as a young

child being sick all the time that my mind was a lot more powerful . my body and i decided powerful. my body and i decided from a very young age to let that take me far as it could. and i got accepted to my first phd program two days ago. as amazing, isn't it ? phd program two days ago. as amazing, isn't it? yeah. what we can study . amazing, isn't it? yeah. what we can study. i'm a amazing, isn't it? yeah. what we can study . i'm a medievalist. can study. i'm a medievalist. i study mediaeval english art. wow very, very impressive . and so very, very impressive. and so what are you hoping to do moving forward? how do you want progress? are you going to study mediaeval where do you want that to take? i would love to teach. i would love to work a i would love to work in a museum, heritage studies or anything of anything like that. but most of all, want people to all, i just want people to be able to google. eb have hope. i was in 1998 and my mom could not google it and see anything happy. she was just told that i was going to die young and have a life up until that a horrible life up until that moment to become my moment and i had to become my own model . child own role model. every child deserves grow up seeing deserves to grow up seeing someone who looks like them doing that they want to doing things that they want to doing things that they want to do the more that we do. so i hope the more that we talk people can

talk about, the more people can understand , that there is hope. understand, that there is hope. but it's just been such a pleasure to meet first. if people want to find out more about you, be it for them to support your cause . do you have support your cause. do you have a website? we do so you go on to our website, which pretty dog our website, which is pretty dog dot and it's got a lot of dot uk and it's got a lot of information and i'd ask people to look up, be aware . ab they to look up, be aware. ab they can either donate or volunteer or talk about the condition and they might know someone else who can actually help and assist us, but if you go to our website, we've got all the information there. remind me again the there. remind me again of the web address website is deborah to all is deborah debbie to all uk that is deborah debbie all what is it. thank you so much . really talk to much. really good to talk to you. inspiration? oh, you. lucy what inspiration? oh, she's isn't she in she's fantastic, isn't she in the cac? thank you so much for joining me. thank you. thank you, of lucy beale model you, of course, lucy beale model and also byrne , the ceo of and also tony byrne, the ceo of deborah . well, coming up, it is deborah. well, coming up, it is the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should the pubuc hour. and i'm asking, should the public a say in bbc pay. public have a say in bbc pay. the bbc is set to increase licence these by 13 quid next

yearin licence these by 13 quid next year in line with inflation. and that as the likes of gary that is as the likes of gary lineker receive even more lineker could receive even more money to top his already ridiculous £1.3 million salary for his podcast work and as local radio stations during all of this are facing drastic cuts, it begs the question as to whether the broadcaster has its priorities in check. stay tuned. that's on way . there's help for households. are you over state pension age?

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pay on top of. his already substantial 1.35 million salary for his podcast. in the meantime, bbc's local radio stations are facing cuts, leading many to question the broadcaster's priorities . and broadcaster's priorities. and considering that the bbc is funded the public, it's natural to. ask whether they should have a say in how the organisation's money is being because according to a report published by the bbc the following bbc presenters make these salaries zoe . ball make these salaries zoe. ball £980,000. alan shearer . £980,000. alan shearer. £450,000. clare balding . £450,000. clare balding. £205,000. and alex scott . £205,000. and alex scott. £190,000. and after all the top salaries of the presenters are potentially eating up a large portion of the budget. this could be at the expense of other important initiatives that serve the public interest . so for the the public interest. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking the public have a say on joined now by

on bbc pay. i'm joined now by two broadcast from journalist danny kelly and a political commentator. danny kelly and a political commentator . matthew, danny kelly and a political commentator. matthew, startling political commentator and suzanne evans, former ukip chair and political commentator . matt and political commentator. matt and political commentator. matt and i'm going to start with you first. well, results, first of all, on these salaries . yeah, i all, on these salaries. yeah, i think the bbc , our national think the bbc, our national broadcaster and i think has to pay broadcaster and i think has to pay decent very high, very fees compared to what i get paid . compared to what i get paid. fair enough. but it needs to pay decent money to get the top talent and i'd be disappointed if bbc didn't have the top if the bbc didn't have the top talent. that said, clearly the corporation has been in mess corporation has been in a mess over last week or so. i think gary lineker clearly broke those guidelines . gary lineker clearly broke those guidelines. think the fact gary lineker clearly broke those guidelines . think the fact that guidelines. think the fact that various friends of his or colleagues of his, some of whom, by the way, i think work his production or paid production company or are paid freelancer fees for his by his production company. the fact that they were able through some sort of millionaire strike to put so much pressure on the bbc that they had to come crawling back to gareth i thought was humiliating . back to gareth i thought was humiliating. i'm a big fan of

the bbc. i think it's really important there for nine important i work there for nine years though was years even though i was cancelled last year myself personally by the bbc and by right wing cancel culture, i still stand up for because it does try its best my experience to be impartial, but the guidelines need changing because you can't have gary lineker unable to say one thing. alan sugar to say another thing. and even when gary lineker says something he's not supposed say. he brought back because of he gets brought back because of peer group pressure from his . peer group pressure from his. all right. i'm going to go to danny kelly is former bbc danny kelly is a former bbc journalist study . what's your journalist study. what's your thoughts should thoughts on this? you should be have a say bbc pay . well, have a say bbc pay. well, firstly, disagree with i don't firstly, i disagree with i don't consider alan sugar to be a bbc presenter . the consider alan sugar to be a bbc presenter. the bbc have built a show around miserable old minted millionaire , old curmudgeon. i millionaire, old curmudgeon. i don't think he's got a bbc past, so i don't think a presenter. so i think that's a bit of a red as far as the pay is. i again with matt because , yes, you have to matt because, yes, you have to pay matt because, yes, you have to pay the going rate, but you're rewarding people like zoe ball

for losing haemorrhaging hundreds , thousands if not hundreds, thousands if not millions of listeners i always 6my millions of listeners i always apply this test. well the commercial radio station what they allow failing local radio stations to continue on if the answer is no then you have to ask yourself why should taxpayer show the licence fee paid ? why show the licence fee paid? why should they keep ploughing millions pounds into enterprise that a failing when a commercial a commercial outfit just wouldn't allow it. so as far as ludicrous concerns he needs to be reminded gary lineker is doing more to defund the bbc on twitter than the organisation defund the bbc is it? but you know if think about it the whole point of the bbc not meant to be profit making so things that are making loss so for example making a loss so for example come in to radio and things like that local radio surely they should that should be putting money in that the collective the salary that is collective people paid by the bbc people are being paid by the bbc probably fund at least 100 bbc local presenters and local radio presenters and they'd be serving the community. anamika what's thoughts ? anamika what's your thoughts? yes, absolutely so i think in

terms of the bbc , i think it's terms of the bbc, i think it's actually quite almost dystopian in a sense that we actually have a national broadcast sort of station and in terms of, you know, what we've seen, especially in the last with the whole get element situation, i think this does prove that the bbc is biased and i think that's taxpayer . well they're going to taxpayer. well they're going to have questions like where is that money going . well we've and that money going. well we've and our culture is inherently biased and i think if you can hear me yeah we can carry on then quickly. oh, you've done . yeah. quickly. oh, you've done. yeah. and let's go to suzanne evans, former ukip deputy chair. look, come on, we cannot have the pubuc come on, we cannot have the public setting the salaries of anyone at the bbc. i might much like to be able to do that. i'd very much also like to look. i think there's a heck of a lot of waste the nhs. i think we shouldn't be paying diversity consultants hundred consultants over hundred thousand year. i think thousand pounds a year. i think we should be paying council leaders money. does it

leaders money. where does it end? you should the taxpayer have a say in every public sector job the public would presume to pay bus drivers , presume to pay bus drivers, refuse collectors a lot more than they might the chief executive of someone working in the civil service instance. so i don't think we can go down that road. i think what really upsets me though is i do think gary lineker is paid too much, as are some of the presenters that you mentioned . i it's mentioned. and i think it's a great shame that the bbc is taking from bbc taking money away from the bbc local radio which is at the heart of the community. if you're talking as they're doing about putting uniform programmes you're talking as they're doing ab

licence paying licence fee that we having to pay, we are forcing having to pay, otherwise we go jail and otherwise we go to jail and i think that people should actually have some sort of saying that. i mean surely if we had some sort of sway or some be able to vote in some that they can't get salaries you're talking about being competitive for say what it's good job. a for say what it's a good job. a lot of people would that for lot of people would that job for a what they're a lot less than what they're paying a lot less than what they're paying last of paying think last week of the bbc was so chaotic and so embarrassing that idea of embarrassing that the idea of trying run the organisation trying to run the organisation by plebiscite, at least as far as salary is, is, is for the it just simply wouldn't work. as salary is, is, is for the it just simply wouldn't work . but i just simply wouldn't work. but i think the public on the bbc does matter and i think focus groups and i think polling should absolutely be at by bbc management that they are sensitive to the public mood because it is ultimately our they're spending at danny though what you talked about if was a commercial organisation that was losing money they shouldn't be putting money into it. and you mentioned sable what about local radio? because that is radio? so because that is a community service, a of community service, a lot of people say that's what the people would say that's what the

bbc . local bbc should be doing. local radio, unfortunately the gritty reality of local is that it's lost over a million listeners over years and you can almost take that to when they stop talking to a mythical pair of 50 year old white people called sue. and if we actually had sue date we always used to before we were on that, you would say, what would you think about that? my local radio station. just to give an idea about that, give you an idea about that, the health local , my local radio health of local, my local radio station, bbc and warwickshire. last year , a 0.7% share. now last year, a 0.7% share. now what means is that one in every 130 people who listen to radio coventry, listen to bbc coventry, listen to bbc coventry, it's not even 1. so thatis coventry, it's not even 1. so that is the health of certain stations. so i go back to my point , if stations. so i go back to my point, if it's stations. so i go back to my point , if it's not stations. so i go back to my point, if it's not a commercially viable proposition , why should the taxpayer, the fee payer, plough millions into , coventry and warwickshire? so i appeal to my colleagues. i

love local radio. unfortunately the figures don't justify the expense the moment. let's go . expense the moment. let's go. trajectory is going down, which is what i do. i used to work in bbc local and i absolutely loved it and i think you're absolutely right in a sense. this is a case of go woke broke, isn't it? because there's doubt has because there's no doubt it has lost local focus. i mean, when i was a reporter on the beat working at radio, web, radio, shropshire. it local stories local focus and of course it was great if we could also a great story locally that we could feed up the networks and make the national media i think national media as well. i think the bbc will that its peril the bbc will that at its peril and i think that's a great shame. and i think as well with the radio it has the power the local radio it has the power to shine light on community to shine a light on community heroes. those who volunteer in the local communities and just feature these that wouldn't necessarily the national necessarily make the national news necessarily . and i think news necessarily. and i think actually there is a power in the local radio, you know, been on my local radio station times to talk about my charity work and i think it's actually wholesome and not something that you see a

every in the national news every day in the national news profile. what about tv ? yeah, i profile. what about tv? yeah, i mean, i was persuaded by what doddie saying earlier about the difference between our sugar and gary lineker is always good to come on the tv show and maybe starting to change your mind. but disagree danny but i disagree with you danny about the that maybe in coventry there aren't that many listeners to radio and therefore it to bbc radio and therefore it doesn't justify money from us. the licence fee payers. the whole point about the bbc is it is a public service and therefore it can do things that commercial organisations and businesses perhaps cannot do and therefore don't think it is just listening figures. that is really important . big difference really important. big difference i experience between when i at the bbc and when i was at lbc, the bbc and when i was at lbc, the relentless focus on lbc rightly on audience figures enormous. but the bbc has has the licence. if forgive the pun, to do something a little bit different. and i think we should protect. yeah, fair enough. listen, thank so much for your

thought. thank you so . a final thought. thank you so. a final conclusion to all of you, danny , public say in pay , the public have any say in pay of some of those highest paid staff in, bbc, yes or no ? staff in, the bbc, yes or no? no, it won't work . animal no, it won't work. animal governance and i absolutely agree. no no, it won't work. suzanne evans . no, it won't work suzanne evans. no, it won't work . we should do for every public service if we're going and we can't do that. and that's. no, i'm afraid. i'm afraid there's a unanimous no vote no to say yes. me, i'm absolutely concerned . me, i'm absolutely concerned. no, no, not with me. i don't think i think that gary lineker in particular, i'd to have a big say in that one. thank you very much kaye lovely social much danny kaye lovely social government susan evans and stotland good talk to you. stotland good to talk to you. thank this good thank you for your. this is good news tv online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue with our great british debate this i'm asking, should this hour. i'm asking, should the say on bbc pay you the public a say on bbc pay you have of my panel, have the thoughts of my panel, columnist broadcast still, columnist and broadcast still, as be, not a political as you can be, not a political commentator broadcaster sam dowler. but first, get dowler. but first, let's get your . then a thank

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digital read. it's time for our great debate this hour. animals king should the public have a say in bbc pay? gary lineker is set to return match of the day tonight . his set to return match of the day tonight. his recent suspension from hosting duties has brought attention to the that he may be receiving additional on top of his already substantial point three 5 million salary. in the bbc, local radio stations are facing cuts, leading many to question the priorities of the broadcaster and considering that the bbc is funded the public, it is natural to ask whether. the bbc is funded the public, it is natural to ask whether . the is natural to ask whether. the pubuc is natural to ask whether. the public should have a say in how organisation's money been organisation's money has been spent. organisation's money has been spent . after the salaries of spent. after all the salaries of top presenters are potentially eating up a large of the eating up a large portion of the budget could be at the expense of other important initiatives . of other important initiatives. so budget debate so for the great budget debate houn so for the great budget debate hour, i'm asking should the pubuc hour, i'm asking should the public say in pay? public have a say in bbc pay? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm by broadcaster that. i'm joined by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also sam also political commentator sam dowler lizzie, i'm coming to dowler. lizzie, i'm coming to you first on this. i personally, the others didn't agree with me. i as they are public i think, as they are public broadcaster state that

broadcaster, state owned that we should a say in how that wealth in terms of stars is distributed they are serving. i totally agree . you and i totally do. and agree. you and i totally do. and it's going up to £172. i can't believe it. look, the salaries are obscene. this is. and gary lineker , you know who is back on lineker, you know who is back on the screen . we're paying for the the screen. we're paying for the likes of him on those massive wages 1.3 million and he's getting more from the so that's we know now why everyone walked out in favour of him because his production company runs the podcast. right so that raises okay selling out because they wouldn't have got yeah they wouldn't have got yeah they would have got the job and i'm afraid it's a very sad day days when one man has more power than the whole of the bbc. it seems the whole of the bbc. it seems the salaries are obscene on the management. are weak. but the fact is it's not the management's money. it's all in one. it's the taxpayers money andifs one. it's the taxpayers money and it's totally wrong. and we should have choice, whether should have the choice, whether we not. because

we want it or not. because let me you, don't pay me tell you, if you don't pay this, if you don't pay this licence, you then a fine and then. well, what would you say to had to suzanne's argument if you had a pay to suzanne's argument if you had a pay for the bbc a say in the pay for the bbc that you'd have a in the pay that you'd have a say in the pay for and that other public for this and that other public services. that. but services. i agree with that. but no, agree with that at no, i don't agree with that at all. it have equal all. it doesn't have to equal the at all. and look, the same. not at all. and look, the same. not at all. and look, the young today. don't watch the bbc. it's not like in our day when we watched programme. when we watched the programme. so was eu channel of and so it was an eu channel of and it's filled with by the proviso like, you know, amazon, netflix and so forth, you know, we'll for what we want to watch. i'm frankly, i am sick to the teeth of the bbc that stands as hypocritical because just say very quickly things are important too. i think it's 20, 19, 20. baker did a tweet which was about her in a viral but he apologised unreservedly , got the apologised unreservedly, got the sack though inconsistent with and that was pretty pathetic it was it was but i'm just saying they're not with the dialogue

but they are a national institution i mean you say that theyi institution i mean you say that they i mean that's state then all state owned . so there's not all state owned. so there's not much difference in that . well, much difference in that. well, there's no not a great deal of difference. like like the difference. but like like the nhs, bbc, you know, is a nhs, the bbc, you know, is a jewel crown. i mean, you jewel in the crown. i mean, you know, around know, it's broadcast all around the it's watched the bbc worldwide. it's watched all the world. so and i think obviously this , you know, put obviously this, you know, put the in a very sticky situation and but it's but things also like gary wasn't to talking his basei like gary wasn't to talking his base i don't think because like a lot of it's like because of the i'm his kids go to private school it's such my sister like she work she works at a state school and you know and they've you and she down you know, and she was down in devon they've like six, devon and they've got like six, six ukrainian kids in, in, in her class and you said other class where they have a thing called is the english is called which is the english is the language. the alternative language. so she's you six she's dealing with like you six different languages within the same bbc are same class. so the bbc are saying there was you know that at 1.6 million the days households say they do. yeah well i think that's the thing

but what he's but what was spoken of was speaking to was you know was something socialist. yeah. well yeah. well well, exactly however, the bbc in itself an institution i respect , i, you know, what respect, i, you know, what i love and like i like you say, i mean, i don't remember those days when it was for but but it's consistent. is it? but, but but it it's focusing on so should we have a say in how much these people get paid though. of course. of course. i mean, i think i don't think think i think i don't think their their wages are obscene either they're i'm either unless but they're i'm not not an not about full time. i'm not an attraction. we don't watch football i do watch football. it's huge of . money but i do it's a huge of. money but i do know i think the show is nothing without you. let's a great british voice as they opt to in be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. let's start. got let's start got four of you. let's start with miranda richardson from northamptonshire labour and the northamptonshire labour and the northamptonshire where you miranda. she's not here. oh she's oh she's . she's look what

she's oh she's. she's look what we're waiting for her though. i have to say i think it's a waste of money i mean, i think it's disgusting that they're now putting it up. but it is. but but but there's no choice akin to, like, how much you would pay netflix, for but that's netflix, for example. but that's not . if you add it all not the point. if you add it all up. the licence quite good up. i see the licence quite good at regulating fact the at regulating the fact that the amount that they have to charge. but point. point but that's not point. my point is me to pay this is if you want me to pay this thing to have some thing that i need to have some sort on how you're spending sort say on how you're spending my you know, my money and i don't, you know, civil service. yes, i we employ politicians decide those . politicians to decide those. sorry, let me finish. so we employ decide the employ civil to decide the politicians to decide what what you know, civil servants or that that's fine . when it comes to that's fine. when it comes to the bbc, i would i think that there should be parameters people should get to vote on things i think it should be things and i think it should be because based because it's community based it's us not it's meant to be serving us not self—serving. at the moment it's meant to be serving us not sthinkzrving. at the moment it's meant to be serving us not sthink it's|g. at the moment it's meant to be serving us not sthink it's very at the moment it's meant to be serving us not sthink it's very self—serving.1ent i think it's very self—serving. we wages . why is i think it's very self—serving. we getting wages . why is i think it's very self—serving. we getting so wages . why is i think it's very self—serving. wegetting so much/ages . why is i think it's very self—serving. wegetting so much money?lhy is i think it's very self—serving. wegetting so much money? yous he getting so much money? you agree it's a licence fee , not a

agree it's a licence fee, not a tax. so therefore, like, for example with netflix, like, you know, we pay for we pay for amazon prime example. we don't get a say on, you know, who who gets paid what on netflix why watch we get a say with who gets paid what on the bbc because think it's ridiculous but it is it a choice whether you pay it is a choice whether you pay the or not don't the licence fee or not you don't have it's no, no, have to. it's not it's no, no, you have a choice. you you don't have a choice. you paid last. you know, we're talking about, you know, setting up just that you just up in jail just that you just watch watch bbc, watch i pay you don't watch bbc, you pay watch i pay you don't watch bbc, you pay it it's you don't have to pay it it's not essential as you're so wrong . and i feel we try again and go to our great british to see if they they i've got three of them actually now. so let's go to let's start with rhonda richardson in northamptonshire. we no not the we ran the richardson no not the of which what's of richardson which the what's your thoughts what do think your thoughts what do you think should a say in should we have a say in pay? it's no, it's very difficult because we could if we start going down that route, we look at everybody's pay, what get in at everybody's pay, what get in a variety jobs. but let's just say no but we don't necessarily

let's just stick with the bbc if it's the bbc specifically. i think the issue being we have this licence fee which makes us then feel like we stay cold, isn't it? if you like that we have to. but actually i think it's a very antiquated situation and we shouldn't have the licence anymore if the bbc licence fee anymore if the bbc is struggling , why not start is struggling, why not start charging for advertising? we don't have to sit . what not don't have to sit. what not that's. but you see a product placement that they get placement that they can get money but don't number money from but we don't number one they are not branded they would be super powerful because imagine if you if they if they able to just stop getting advertising they got the largest audience everything that they have paid them have it have we paid for them to have it and now they're going to credit, they're the they're going to profit on the back won't back of it. and we won't get a look that profit. and look into that profit. and that's they do issue . that's my issue. they do issue. we don't care looking with it anyway are. but but anyway that we are. but but but i'm not not them to i'm not not allowing them to profiteer that way no big profiteer in that way no big jerry ford jerry ford in shefford julie . o'connorjury shefford julie. o'connor jury she's silent she's silent . judy

she's silent she's silent. judy you know i've got . a oh, judy, you know i've got. a oh, judy, we're going to go to we're going to have to go to dr. sessions. she's never silent . i have a lot she's never silent. i have a lot to say about this good afternoon and our 30 seconds. and thank you for having me on you know we can we're to be stopped i definitely with you and what lizzie said and i supported 100% but public should have a say regarding pay in bbc. it's very concerning that gary lineker see as lizzie pointed out, it seems that he has more to say than anyone else and he made a very controversial comment regarding the government the not see, i'm not going to go into it but that was a huge you know, a huge problem what he did . problem what he did. unfortunately, the bbc did not take it further . and it's take it further. and it's i think it's surprising to the public, the people that are paying public, the people that are paying you know they are paying for his wages. he's a highest

paid tv presenter and that he he has more rights than anyone else the public that's actually paying the public that's actually paying for it does not have a say. and i asked liz he said you know, a lot of people are not watching bbc now because because of this. you know, they've lost faith in bbc . and if you had faith in bbc. and if you had seen a lot of the comment up, there were lots of comments from there were lots of comments from the public again scurrilous stuff and what he had done against the bbc obviously did not listen to public. i never listen. thank certainly. and juue listen. thank certainly. and julie ford, you've got about 20 seconds now. okay will put that in really quickly. like i say i'm on the fence with this . i i'm on the fence with this. i think that we shouldn't have a say in their salary, but i certainly think their salaries should be capped so that people like gary lineker can't demand how much they want to be. but i do think a lot money needs to go into local radio . me if local into local radio. me if local radio is failing , then look at radio is failing, then look at how to make it better . people how to make it better. people are coming away from local radio

because the programmes that they're on just aren't they're putting on just aren't fit purpose . it's a great fit for purpose. it's a great way be local bring back way to be local bring back community and i think that's really important. they shouldn't get of it. thank you very much. lovely to hear you stastny and also the lovely miranda and also very nice that what's going on with me and also judy ford you so much guys and girls to go to because a bbc spokesperson said gary freelance presenter and gary is freelance presenter and his his is his bbc pay for his role is published the published annually on the transparency obligations in the bbc charter . transparency obligations in the bbc charter. this transparency obligations in the bbc charter . this is transparency obligations in the bbc charter. this is entirely separate programmes the separate to any programmes the bbc commissions going hang bbc commissions from going hang up independent up productions and independent production . the bbc production company. the bbc works hundreds works with hundreds of independent companies works with hundreds of inrline ndent companies works with hundreds of inrline .jent companies works with hundreds of inrline . our companies works with hundreds of inrline . our published companies in line. our published guidelines on commissioning independent production companies responsible for their own budgets . and in regards to the budgets. and in regards to the rise of the bbc licence fee, a spokesman said the government agreed a six year licence fee supplement in january 2022, which froze the licence fee for two years with increases in with inflation from 2024. it is not for the bbc to speculate on what inflation might be and how that

might impact licence in might impact the licence fee in future years ultimately is the government set confirm the government to set confirm the cost the licence . the bbc cost of the licence. the bbc will continue to focus on what it does best working to deliver world class content and value for all its audiences . who here for all its audiences. who here bafta for that right. and now for a quick story on donald trump's , he says that he expects trump's, he says that he expects to be arrested on tuesday and writing on his site truth social. he called on the supporters to protest take supporters to protest and take back the nation. the manhattan district office not district attorney's office not to against the to bring charges against the former us president over an alleged hush money payment made to an film star. stormy to an adult film star. stormy daniels , in the run up to the daniels, in the run up to the 2016 elections. and joining us to talk about is us political analyst eric. eric, we managed to squeeze you in. eric to me, trump is expected to be arrested . why? why don't they just leave him ? well, it's simply not that him? well, it's simply not that . we know that there are number of charges that are swirling . of charges that are swirling. donald trump. federal charges,

state charges, multiple state charges. and look , there have charges. and look, there have been people who have wanted plough a pound of flesh from , plough a pound of flesh from, donald trump, since he announced back in 2015. and clearly looking as though an indictment looming. and of course, donald trump is now calling on his support to protest. so could we january six all over again? at this point , it's anyone's guess this point, it's anyone's guess . well, we'll have to keep abreast on that story. listen, we are running out top, so you've got to go. thank so much. as early as political analyst eric tam. he's that right. time for our quick pop quiz at the part of the show test my panel on the hitting on some of the stories hitting the now. can the the right now. lizzie can the press played some down press have also played some down the pressure. it's same one. know don't worry no question one. one man has hit the news this week his wacky tattoo. but what he get a tattoo of was a is tadpole b nicola sturgeon . well, tadpole b nicola sturgeon. well, he's cusco top court sent to please be nicola sturgeon . i please be nicola sturgeon. i really want it to be funny to know is actually tesco clubcard

on track to what is he can't believe he's got it. i it or i want a fortune to true or false . most popular talk in the us is a french bulldog because he can't be true civil right now . can't be true civil right now. it's true. the comical friendly loving dog is overtaking the labrador . loving dog is overtaking the labrador. what's up? three. which social media app is set to be banned on uk? couple i do think facebook, twitter or tik tok . tick tock. tick tock. it is tok. tick tock. tick tock. it is well down. tick tock. that's absolutely right. the app raised concerns over its connections with china. question four according to the office of national statistics, glasgow is the the uk city with lowest the in the uk city with lowest life expectancy. but just how low it closest wind . oh, it's low it closest to wind. oh, it's 68, 68, 65, 65, 73. some valuable close staff expectancy in westminster is 84. valuable close staff expectancy in westminster is 84 . glasgow in westminster is 84. glasgow 73. question five. gary lineker has once again been outspoken about a controversial issue. but what has garza's spoken about this time? a trophy hunting b,

scottish independence c nuclear power fizzy county i was a trophy hunt trophy . you're trophy hunt trophy. you're absolutely right that anything that lineker will not stick is rising . so he should he should rising. so he should he should talk about because it's a disgrace on the football. yes. to god sake on a day. so we've been asking. are you warming to the tories according to the poll, 34% of you say yes. 66% of you say no. thank you. so much to our broadcaster and columnist cundy and also broadcast inc. to our broadcaster and columnist cundy and also broadcast inc . a cundy and also broadcast inc. a huge thank you for company. i'll be back tomorrow at four to discuss the top stories with broadcast and author christine hamilton. author journalist danny kelly. don't go anyway. i'll see you tomorrow at four. enjoy saturday. hello there enjoy your saturday. hello there . good afternoon to you. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office jonathan vautrey today has been a day of chasing rainbows . vautrey today has been a day of chasing rainbows. many of us in between the heavy showers that we've seen around thanks to low pressure that is in charge across the whole of the uk, we do have systems that's been pushing through northern ireland into of scotland that's

into areas of scotland that's just spells just bringing some longer spells of it also be of rain here and it also be breezy the very far of breezy across the very far of scotland we move throughout scotland as we move throughout this elsewhere this and overnight. elsewhere the heavy showers that we have seen will tend to out and die out as we move nights. that will allow clear to develop. allow some clear to develop. just allowing temperatures to drop down a bit more to towns and cities still generally holding up around five or six celsius. but a rural frost is possible across. parts of northern ireland and scotland that provide some icy that could just provide some icy patches on morning, patches thing on sunday morning, particularly we've still got a few showers lingering but those continuing ease out some continuing to ease out some really sunday is looking like a fine for many of us. fine day for many of us. certainly throughout morning, a good intervals, good number of sunny intervals, a just lingering a bit of cloud just lingering across east of across the 40 east coast of england then northern england then for northern ireland, turn ireland, it's going to turn cloudier the afternoon as cloudier into the afternoon as this to rise and this rain begins to rise and turn damp here. but when you hold those sunshine throughout the afternoon will feel as represent and spring like highs of 1112 celsius. so eastern areas of england will hold onto dry weather during sunday evening . but elsewhere the rain

evening. but elsewhere the rain is then going to start spreading its way in. and as we then move the new working week that the start new working week that heralds the to some more heralds the change to some more unsettled weather. so during monday outbreaks of

i love it to see you all again, fellow travellers. here we are for another edition of neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio. tonight on the show i'll be discussing what the fall of the silicon valley bank could mean to us here in the uk and what actually happened at the us capitol building on january six, 2021. plus, an unexpected victory for the dutch farmers protest party. all of that and more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez .