welcome to mark dolan tonight. welcome to mark dolan tonight . a welcome to mark dolan tonight. a busy 3 hours to come in just a few minutes, i'll be joined by the leader of ukip and former tory mp neil hamilton for the people's hour on the agenda . people's hour on the agenda. with over 7 million working age adults not active in the economy . britain lost its work . adults not active in the economy . britain lost its work. is the rise in the cost of the bbc licence fee, which is being rumoured to be £13, justify it and with raw sewage going into our rivers and a seaside town is plagued with super rats , does plagued with super rats, does britain need to clean up its act.7 also britain need to clean up its

act? also presented jon snow has become a father. it is seventies. so is unfair to have kids later in life lost to get through don't forget off denying the big opinion and my take it ten so much that we got to do on a saturday night. but first, the headunes a saturday night. but first, the headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. mark thank you and good evening. this is the latest from gb newsroom, the home secretary has defended the government's plan to send illegal migrants to rwanda. it comes as hundred people cross the channel yesterday after five days of inactivity . suella braverman is inactivity. suella braverman is inactivity. suella braverman is in the rwandan capital, kigali, where she's been given a tour of a housing site which will provide long term accommodation for refugees. she the government's deportation policy, which has faced some criticism them, will act as a powerful for those considering dangerous journeys in small boats. the

home secretary also visited a and education centre where she addressed some of the graduates . we are absolutely delighted and excited about our partnership with rwanda to be creating a vibrant community here, to be a positive , secure, here, to be a positive, secure, beautiful haven home for many of people. and i'm really about the contribution that these talented graduates will be making to the prosperity of rwanda and the security . many, many people . security. many, many people. meanwhile, thousands of people across the country have taken to the streets to protest against racism. the demonstration been partly organised in response , partly organised in response, the government's illegal migration bill. marches have been held london, glasgow and cardiff this afternoon. demonstrator sign read human being is illegal. donald trump

says he expects to be arrested on tuesday and writing on his side truth social. he called on his supporters to protest and take the nation back. the district attorney's office likely to bring charges against. the former us president over , an the former us president over, an alleged hush money payment to the adult film star stormy daniels in the run up to the 2016 election. no former president has ever criminally charged. trump has been impeached twice , says the impeached twice, says the attorney's office, as corrupt and highly political . the snp's and highly political. the snp's chief executive has resigned with immediate effect . it with immediate effect. it follows reports peter murrell , follows reports peter murrell, who's also nicola sturgeon's husband , was facing the threat husband, was facing the threat of a vote . no confidence of a vote. no confidence following row over the party's membership numbers. in a statement he said while there was no intent to mislead, he accepts that's been the outcome. michael russell will oversee the operation . the snp's operation. the snp's headquarters in interim . and

headquarters in interim. and gary lineker has returned to match of the day, presenting after being taken off air last week for comments he made about the government's migration policy . mr. lineker compared the policy. mr. lineker compared the language used to launch the new illegal migration bill with that of 1930s germany. he's been covering the fa cup quarter final match evening between manchester city and burnley, alongside fellow alan shearer, who stood him and refused to take part in last week's bbc show tv online and tv plus radio. this is a gb news that was back to mark dolan tonight. tatiana is with me all evening. she returns at nine. welcome to mark dolan tonight. we start with the people's hour in which i'll be taking video calls on

the big stories of the day. tonight, debating the big issues are andrew in essex laws in windsor. zach tree in leicester. shaunin windsor. zach tree in leicester. shaun in cambridgeshire and robin in st albans. we'll heanng robin in st albans. we'll hearing from all of those folk over the next 60 minutes. the topics tonight with over 7 million working age adults active in the economy , britain active in the economy, britain lost its work . is the rise active in the economy, britain lost its work. is the rise in the cost of the licence fee justified ? there are rumours justified? there are rumours that there's going to be a £13 rise. it would take it well over £170. is it justifiable that shortly with raw sewage going into our rivers and a town plagued with super rats? does britain need to up its act? and with presenter jon snow becoming father in his seventies , it father in his seventies, it unfair to have kids later in life? my saturday sidekick for the next 60 minutes is the leader of ukip, former mp and

political commentator neil hamilton . in political commentator neil hamilton. in my big opinion, oft annoying spoilt cry—babies harry and meghan and their relentless attacks on the monarchy have achieved only one thing to make the king more popular, and he might take ten striking passport workers are planning to ruin the great british summer. my reaction. this is mark dolan tonight a busy 3 hours to come. it is saturday, so let's have some fun. put something cold and fizzy in the fridge or fire up the kettle . and let's get to the kettle. and let's get to work . a genuine lee couldn't work. a genuine lee couldn't believe this statistic . i read believe this statistic. i read it this morning. the daily mail newspaper report that 7 million people in the country of working age are economic meekly inactive with just under 6 million on universal . clearly, some of universal. clearly, some of these individuals are long term sick and merit state support .

sick and merit state support. but how many brits could but don't in some particularly given the fact that millions now work from home and simply need a computer and an internet connection in order to make a contribution . so there you go. contribution. so there you go. 7 million working age adults not active in the economy . has active in the economy. has britain lost its work ethic? let's discuss that with . the let's discuss that with. the leader of ukip, former tory mp neil. neil, welcome to the studio. thank you, mark. you've never not worked. you've always been active in the economy. no, no. well, my wife keeps my nose to the grindstone because . you to the grindstone because. you know, an expensive know, it's an expensive commodity to maintain. well, actually, your work ethic, is it just an excuse to get out of the house? is that what it is? well that's what i might say as a collateral benefit, but not the main reason. but no, i'm 74 years my birthday was last years old. my birthday was last week working even on week and i still working even on a night. well, a saturday night. well, we're very that are. very grateful that you are. you're the of the you're the leader of the national political party. you've got seven days got a full in—tray seven days a week for . but got a full in—tray seven days a

week for. but does week operation for. but does britain have a problem now with its work ethic because that figure of 7 million not active in the economy. well, that's not sustainable, is it? well, it is sustainable. what it means is we've got fewer people are we've got fewer people who are productive. tax base is productive. so the tax base is going be diminished and going to be diminished and therefore the government isn't going much money in going to have as much money in its coffers as it needs to for things the health service things like the health service and etc, and what and schools, etc, etc. and what are these people actually doing? are all economically? they are they all economically? they may registered such, but who may be registered such, but who knows how many be working on the side for a little of cash here and there, but 7 million is a huge number. 6 million on universal credit. yeah, exactly i mean, you know, the conservative principle is surely that it should always pay to work. it doesn't seem that way these days. well, as we know, fiscal drag so is bringing more and more people into the tax net. i looking the figures net. i was looking the figures after budget and there the after the budget and there the 3.2 million people extra will be paying 3.2 million people extra will be paying income tax by 2027 because the threshold which you

start pay income tax has been frozen and is going to be frozen current levels until 2028. so yearin current levels until 2028. so year in and year out, more and more people are going to find that a chunk been taken out of their earnings and it's therefore disincentivized . and therefore disincentivized. and of course, there are people who would then be drawn into the tax net at high levels of tax. and all know about the doctors and others who have been retiring early because their pension pots are capped and they would pay 55% on any cash they might have built up in their pension fund. over £1,073,000. sounds a lot of money to most people when you ask you know what annual income will a pot of that size bring youin? will a pot of that size bring you in? it's not that significant . so, yes, for significant. so, yes, for various reasons , people decide various reasons, people decide to stop working or , to work less to stop working or, to work less and. that's not good. i for the health of people mentally ehheni health of people mentally either. i personally i enjoy working . i've been self—employed

working. i've been self—employed all life. apart from being an mp , obviously not self—employed. and indeed, but i've been a lawyer and done lots of media work over the years and i've not drawn a salary . i've earned all drawn a salary. i've earned all that can persuade people to pay me for . that can persuade people to pay me for. unlike those who are currently on strike in the pubuc currently on strike in the public sector, who get paid regardless of their productive. yes, i mean, the public sector has an unending for cash and yet , as you say, the source of national income dwindling. if 7 million people of working are not active in the economy my heart goes out to anyone who work if they have disability, if they have a serious illness. that's what the welfare state for. but how do we get those who could work back to work ? well, could work back to work? well, i'm not in favour of conscription, but but i think just need to have a tax system where it is worthwhile to be economically active. and we now have highest tax burden we've had since when you say that. but if you want a low wage, don't

start paying any income tax until at least £10,000. no, but there's national and other imposts that you have to pay as well . also, if you are earning well. also, if you are earning from a job, then your taken off benefits all so would actually slash taxes the bottom end? of course. i mean, we should. we shouldn't start paying tax at the levels that are currently in place . if you are already place. if you are already earning 12 or 13,000 a year. i think it's outrage that you should have to pay 20% marginal. so really the only tax you should pay if your income is £12,000 per annum, then then it's vat and that should be about it . yeah. i personally i'm about it. yeah. i personally i'm in favour of low taxes, simple taxes . the trouble is that we've taxes. the trouble is that we've now got a tax system is impossibly complicated and we've seen it again in the last budget with corporation and tax. you know, companies are are going to pay a know, companies are are going to pay a higher rate of corporation tax, but they can set off all sorts of things against that. so it's great news to the accountants and lawyers, but it's not actually good news for

ordinary and for the ordinary people and for the economy generally. low tax for the for the low paid sounds like a brilliant idea. i can get behind that. that's carrots. what some stake? what what about some stake? what about the benefits system? well as you said rightly, the people who can't work that we should be as generous as we can afford to be. but for those who are of working age and don't have some disability which is obvious or , disability which is obvious or, which is certified as a proper medical condition , then i do medical condition, then i do think that, you know , benefits think that, you know, benefits should be minimal and they should be minimal and they should go to work. and this is a problem that we've had at various times in britain's history . but in various times in britain's history. but in the various times in britain's history . but in the 1980s, we history. but in the 1980s, we slashed tax rates from penal levels to competitive rates . not levels to competitive rates. not only did that make us competitive, so that brought capital into this country and industry and business generally became more productive . so that became more productive. so that meant there were more profits , meant there were more profits, wages rose as well. so you had higher wages and lower taxes.

now, what's not like. yes, i've got views and listeners who email me and they things like why do i bother getting up at eight in the morning and putting in a 12 hour shift when others stay at home watching netflix and essentially swinging lad at the largesse of the state? now, i think it's naive and wrong to say that those on benefits are somehow living a life of luxury. that's true. however some still justify not working a lifestyle choice. yeah. well that's wrong. and you can't devise a system which is entirely foolproof .. but which is entirely foolproof.. but what we can do, i think, is . which is entirely foolproof.. but what we can do, i think, is. is incentivise people to go out. well, why sit at home doing we could be doing something to help the community for example, in exchange for your benefits if you're physically able to. voluntary. voluntary work. yes. i think we should have some form of national service of that kind. not being in the army or the navy or the air force. i'll neven the navy or the air force. i'll never, never. no. but to doing something to help the local

community and, it can be as simple as , you know, picking up simple as, you know, picking up litter or something where loads and, loads of things that we need to be which local authorities are no longer doing because they're claiming they haven't got the money to do them and as doing work with old and as well doing work with old people or others who have problems . and i think we should problems. and i think we should encourage to do this for their own mental wellbeing as well and feeling of self—satisfaction. well, mental wellbeing is an important point. a lot of those 7 million claimed to have mental health issues. again, that's something that should be taken seriously and it's a growing not helped by those lockdowns. of course . yes, it's harder to course. yes, but it's harder to weed out the scroungers when it comes to mental health, isn't it? under the coalition government of david cameron , the government of david cameron, the tories the lib dems and tories and the lib dems and austerity, the government then made it harder to claim disability . see benefit without disability. see benefit without proof. you are disabled, it's harder to . do that with harder to. do that with depression, isn't it? well, it and but it isn't magically

recognised condition and it certainly does. but is it being gamed by that. by some people . gamed by that. by some people. well i dare say it, it must be now everybody. yeah. how many comments on social workers are offset with stress for months on end. exactly and if you look at different parts of the public sector, they got different rates of sickness. but if you look the jobs that they do, you can't really correlate the difference in in in the figures. i mean , i in in in the figures. i mean, i heard astonishing figures about how nurses are on long term , how nurses are on long term, again, due to mental health issues. well, i mean, nurses do have stressful jobs, obviously, if they're understaffed and overworked . and that takes its overworked. and that takes its toll eventually. but not everybody's in that condition all the time . and so i think all the time. and so i think it's is very often easy excuse to go to the quiet and get some pills and blame that blame your own sense of idleness or or whatever on some medical

condition , which doesn't even condition, which doesn't even exist but is impossible to indeed. so lots more stories to get through between now and 9:00. all in the company of the leader of ukip , former leader of ukip, former conservative mp neil hamilton. before 9:00 jon snow, the former channel 4 news presenter, has had a child at the age of 70 and is having kids later in life. selfish debate that with my viewers . we're also going to viewers. we're also going to talk about britain becoming a very dirty country. we've got sewage in our rivers and the sea and super rats in our town . so and super rats in our town. so does britain need a bit of a clean up? but next up, there is speculation that the licence fee will increase by £13 next year . will increase by £13 next year. is it justified? we'll debate that with my viewers .

there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

next welcome back to mark dolan and the people's hour in which i am taking your video . now there is taking your video. now there is growing speculation that the bbc licence fee could increase by £13. next year. the charge of £159 could rise to 172, which would amount to biggest increase in more than 20 years. the licence fee is due to rise in line with inflation. in april 2024, after a two year freeze. now on thursday, nadine dorries, the tory mp who has culture secretary, signed off the freeze call for no further increase until changes to bbc funding are considered . so with the cost of considered. so with the cost of , their radio and television operation is rising is a rise in the licence fee justified ? let's the licence fee justified? let's speak to sean. good evening, sean. and how are we? hi, how are you . i'm very well. you're

are you. i'm very well. you're in gorgeous, leafy cambridgeshire . do you think the cambridgeshire. do you think the bbc justifies an extra £13 a year ? no but i'll tell you why. year? no but i'll tell you why. this is fairly simple for me. if you went back one week, you and, patrick, did the alternative match of the day. and i would that your programme , your that your programme, your graphics and graphics were a lot cheaper than the bbc . and it was cheaper than the bbc. and it was a lot better . so that's a good a lot better. so that's a good example to start with. well, you can do production london sequences like match the day much cheaper, but a on a more serious note if the bbc say on a move of £159 272 . that can move move of £159 272. that can move it to 270 to 372. i don't mind. but as long as they are a subscription only. but you can't do that. andrew a licence fee.

not telling you for what. if you're going to do under licence fee, then you're governed by own charter. the bbc charter, which is all about impartiality. now i know the furore over the last couple of weeks has been about gary lineker is he's got be impartial. i get a lot and he shouldn't be doing that but more this has been going on for a much longer time gary lineker. and people need to see this impartiality cta is embedded in within the bbc who i call the british biased corporation brexit covid climate change. my current crisis. there is no balanced discussion on any of those four topics that i can see anywhere over the last five or six years. it's one narrative. it's just and it's frustrating because the taxpayers having to pay because the taxpayers having to pay the groupthink and at the end of the day, we need a discussion on this forum. we are paying discussion on this forum. we are paying people like gary lineker

, 1.35 million share, 450,000. zoe ball i think 900,005. but make it subscription. i keep heanng make it subscription. i keep hearing . oh yeah, but the hearing. oh yeah, but the quality of the programmes presenters are fantastic. if that could tell you what. go subscription. put it the test. i'll bet you one. let's hook up with zacharie in leicester if we can stay there. sean i'm fascinated by how you've kicked off the debate . great to have off the debate. great to have you back on the programme as well. zachary if sean is right that the bbc is not balanced, that the bbc is not balanced, that it's anti—brexit that it offering a group think in terms offering a group think in terms of covid measures that it's signed up to net zero. well if it's so unbalanced why do millions of people watch and listen to . the bbc every day . listen to. the bbc every day. i think the simple answer, mark, is pretty good at what it does. i'm not a great fan of, its television output, but for me

the radio alone justifies the licence fee and the premise of the question, if i may say or ought to be just about mathematics. and it's been mentioned that , i think mark has mentioned that, i think mark has been frozen for two years. but going back a little further between, 2010 and 2017, it stayed £145, 50 a year. so it was frozen for seven years. and the figure now is only £13, 50 more than it was in 2010. so from a monetary perspective, it's a tiny increase and an extra £13. from april 20, 24. it doesn't seem a great deal to me compared with how low been over such a sustained period . i'm such a sustained period. i'm sorry. let's bring forgive me if i can for just sorry. let's bring forgive me if i can forjust a moment. zachary let's bring shaun back into this and. neil hamilton, who is my saturday sidekick, he's the leader of ukip and a former conservative mp. i'm interested that by what zachary has had to say. this has been a race, a

long time coming. can i. can i come back to you? first of all, shaun, how do you respond to what zachary has said? they've been waiting for this pay rise for a decade . well, they may for a decade. well, they may have done . but, you know, if you have done. but, you know, if you could have play by the rules and they hadn't been playing by the rules for a long time, and i think there are far there are a lot of people frustrated this country who think, well, okay, there will be price increases , there will be price increases, will inflation. we all of will be inflation. we all of that. but what are we getting in return? are we seeing the impartiality on the certainly were not and i go back to the point i made earlier if the programmes are that good and i keep hearing of the programmes that good put out to subscription that . if you've got subscription that. if you've got nothing to fear put it to subscription and let's see how many subscribe i bet you'd be surprised. so there are so many that wouldn't. neil hamilton , that wouldn't. neil hamilton, you're nodding your head sagely like the churchill dog . yeah, like the churchill dog. yeah, well, i'm not in favour of tv

tax. it had a justification when bbc was the sole channel. i'm old enough to . remember those old enough to. remember those heady days ? and then it made heady days? and then it made sense . if you had a tv set, then sense. if you had a tv set, then the anything you get from the bbc so you can. funded by licence fee we now a multiplicity of tv channels, let alone all the other forms of media that people have access to. no justification for to. there's no justification for this all. the only this at all. the only justification that is in justification that there is in terms public service, terms of public service, broadcasting, like the broadcasting, things like the orchestras, the world service and so on. that's a very small part of the bbc's total budget. i think that's any justification whatsoever for the entertainment output of the bbc being funded by a tax. things like radio one, why do we need a tax to fund something that and we certainly don't need the tax pay. gary lineker1.35 million a year and all the other overpaid parasites like him. okay zakaria, you've got the right to reply . it's got the right to reply. it's yourjob got the right to reply. it's your job to got the right to reply. it's yourjob to defend got the right to reply. it's your job to defend the got the right to reply. it's yourjob to defend the licence your job to defend the licence fee. i think from what i've heard that from shaun and they'd like to scrap it altogether .

like to scrap it altogether. yes. and wary of being seen to defend indefensible. i think it can be defend neil's right to attack. i think it used to be a service. it was reclassified as a tax. and i would say if it's a tax, then we ought to have more of a say in how the bbc is run and whether we want to pay these astronomic figures to people who might be seen to be worth substantially less. but for me , substantially less. but for me, i still see it as a licence for the privilege of owning a television. like when i used to for owning a dog . i don't like for owning a dog. i don't like the way it's become a question of funding. the bbc , the licence of funding. the bbc, the licence or scrapping the licence . i or scrapping the licence. i think the licence principle as in having a licence to own this wonderful piece of equipment is in principle a good thing. wonderful piece of equipment is in principle a good thing . but. in principle a good thing. but. the is that it becomes a way of bashing the bbc and i do fear the premise of the question mark

and is beyond the mathematics. so we have a licence fee at all. yes. i mean, i've got say my position on this. zakaria is that the bbc has a great legacy it's an amazing global brand and it's an amazing global brand and it does britain proud a trusted news source around the world. and of course we've invested in it for decades some of the best comedies documentaries only fools and horses the office , fools and horses the office, david attenborough, period dramas the beeb have done and continue to do great work . but i continue to do great work. but i think that the obligatory is a problem going forward. last word to you, shaun in cambridgeshire heard arguments on both sides . heard arguments on both sides. what do you think will happen to the bbc's and the licence fee ? i the bbc's and the licence fee? i think it will run law but i think it will run law but i think it's so fulfilling prophecy in many ways because . prophecy in many ways because. people will stop buying a tv licence or just not a tv licence and then it becomes self serving prophecy . so whether people can prophecy. so whether people can accelerate that, i think it will

happen by design. i really do think. okay, brilliant stuff. what a great debate. thank you so much to shaun and zachary. next up before o'clock, jon snow to remember him from channel 4 news. good well, he's had a baby at the age of 70 and many people are obviously impressed that he's got the energy do that. but is it unfair on kids. when parents have children later in life. we'll discuss that with my brilliant viewers. but next up, let's talk about dirty britain with raw sewage going into our rivers. and as a town is plagued super rats, this britain needs to clean up its act. we'll discuss that .

next is britain now a dirty country with raw sewage into our rivers

and the sea with littering on the rise , a result of fast food the rise, a result of fast food takeaway . and with a seaside takeaway. and with a seaside town in wales reporting , an town in wales reporting, an influx of super vermin, the size of a household cat terrorising the local population . is it time the local population. is it time for britain to clean up its act? are now quite literally the dirty man of europe. well, a very clean man is robin ince and high robin . very clean man is robin ince and high robin. hi. good evening, mark. how are you? i'm very well. how clean is st albans , well. how clean is st albans, hertfordshire . it's a good hertfordshire. it's a good question. i'm actually not sure. i was looking up some and i saw that only% of rivers are deemed to be clean . i'm hoping that the to be clean. i'm hoping that the river there , in instance orban's river there, in instance orban's is one of those. but apparently are we are the worst in europe

and i have many of my sons friends are big surfers and i again, i was looking at some of their statistics and the map of great britain where they and cannot surf and really scary. i mean we are in a serious situation . i personally label it situation. i personally label it corporate fly if you are caught fly tipping you get fined and you can be in big trouble for it and quite rightly so. you should . but here we have these water companies with ceos paid , companies with ceos paid, massive amounts of money, and i'm not envious of that. it's all because, you know, everybody should earn what should earn. but it's ridiculous when we are massively in this country. so i think something has to be done. and, you know, as much i'm a capitalist, i think that the water company should be taken private . if you look at it in private. if you look at it in scotland , that's exactly what scotland, that's exactly what they've done . it performs way they've done. it performs way better than does down here in the uk or in the uk. in england

and wales. so i don't know. i don't know, honestly what's to be done in the short term, but something has to happen because . it's pretty diabolical indeed. we'll come to pollution of our waters with neil hamilton in a moment. robin can i ask you whether we've got cultural issue as well and a general national one? because super rats in various towns are thriving on discarded fast food takeaway boxes. discarded fast food takeaway boxes . and i spoke to the ceo of boxes. and i spoke to the ceo of cape breton tidy and she said that actually young people are terrible because when they go and get food, it always comes in and get food, it always comes in a packet, some kind of packaging mcdonald's, greggs, you name and they discard this and these boxes and it makes a mess of the place and the rats the pigeons feed off it . i know. absolutely feed off it. i know. absolutely we agree you during covid when

we were locked down and we could only go out for walks. i walk in st children's, which is a beautiful park and in many of the mornings you would find lots of beer bottles, as you say , of beer bottles, as you say, those plastic food containers . those plastic food containers. and you know, it's young people doing it and the irony of that is that they preach to us, that we're ruining the planet. but actually, i'm the one who's wandering around the park late at night drinking and discarding it . so that definitely has to be it. so that definitely has to be sorted out and. i think the society we live in today partly responsible for that, the type of food eat, the type of packaging that comes all of all of this is helping pollute everything. the thing super rats . i lived in new york for 15 years in manhattan. and boy, did we have super at i remember, you know, i'd go out early in the morning. i was going for a run and i'd have to you know, try and i'd have to you know, try and avoid the rest of the size of cats and things. so and again

, all of that has to do with garbage or rubbish on the streets . it's to do with people streets. it's to do with people discarding things. i mean, we need we need to take pride in our country and clear all of this up and fly—tipping also another the back of our house. we have a pathway where people come down, park their cars, but they all litter . i mean, nobody they all litter. i mean, nobody cares . it's disgraceful. indeed cares. it's disgraceful. indeed let's bring neil hamilton into this if we can. robin of course, is the leader of ukip, former conservative mp and political commentator. neil, do you think the government need be more robust in policing those who pollute our . well, i think it's pollute our. well, i think it's a losing cause really, because we need to have a sense of social responsibility, which is in people's heads, in order to make this work properly. in people's heads, in order to make this work properly . you make this work properly. you know, i grew up in a world which didn't have fast food and all the things we just been talking

about. the things we just been talking about . and yet rivers were more about. and yet rivers were more polluted in those days than they are today because we dumped all sorts of toxic chemicals. and so on and in the rivers , we had on and in the rivers, we had manufacturing industry operating in our great cities and i remember when we first came to live in london along the river, frontage battersea, it was all contaminated . and the morgan contaminated. and the morgan crucible , when they cleared that crucible, when they cleared that up , make blocks of flats, it had up, make blocks of flats, it had all of horrible things that were in the soil. so i think we should keep this into perspective as well? i mean, they say that you'll never more than six feet away from rat anywhere than you are anyway in this country. but then, you know , have politicians talking so much , no surprise that some it much, no surprise that some it gets the river it. so maybe gets into the river it. so maybe that's part of the problem too. i don't know. but i think we need to keep this in to its some sort of perspective. and yes it's a problem. we live in the country and we're to seeing things like rats because . we

things like rats because. we live right next to a farmyard and occasionally we see a rat. but in in the city such as in london, obviously the sewers are havens for rats. raw sewage bound to attract them . but how bound to attract them. but how we control them is another matter altogether. maybe should have terriers. indeed well, that's not a bad idea. let me. apologise to any one offended by neil's fruity language. it pre watershed. but then that's happens when you book a very dangerous and exciting guest don't tell ofcom. well exactly that's you'll get you'll get your caller felt . i want to rope your caller felt. i want to rope whether there needs to be a change in the culture just terms of our behaviour as human beings when it comes to littering when it comes to going to kfc one in the morning and then just discard the packaging, not a bin but on top of it to next it on the street because you and i think robin are of a similar

vintage and i grew up in seventies and eighties with the keep britain tidy campaign the logo was everywhere is on the street it was on the bins there were adverts on tv and radio a efforts to improve our behaviour when it came to littering . all when it came to littering. all of that seems to have gone by the wayside . yeah, now i agree the wayside. yeah, now i agree 100. the is in just saying this and asking people to do something is not going to change. i mean , you know, i said change. i mean, you know, i said ihave change. i mean, you know, i said i have a pizza place near me. people discard their empty pizza boxes , my front garden . you like boxes, my front garden. you like a sunday morning. i'm going to pick them up. i mean it is, but i don't know what you do about it because there are no police on the streets. there's there nobody to police any of this. and i think it also starts at the top. i come back to the earlier where the environ agency is calling for, you know, prison

sentences for water polluters. and we're talking about senior senior directors in corporations that are doing this, the water companies are being fined, but it's not enough . it is like it's not enough. it is like fining manchester city for something illegal. it fining manchester city for something illegal . it doesn't something illegal. it doesn't make any difference to them. they need to have some more draconian punishments and we need maybe bring back that campaign. you know, keep britain tidy and really try and to educate people because it is so sad to see the mess that is on the streets. it really is brief if you can nail what about privatisation would that clean britain up ? well, when the water britain up? well, when the water companies of water facilities were publicly owned. we were a massive problems for ourselves because there was not enough investment in infrastructure, because had to have the treasury's consent to spend money. and it was enough to put

off what should be done today till or the day after tomorrow and beyond. and so when water companies were privatised there was this massive backlog of work to be done. and i think it's still there. even all these years afterwards. i do agree that we could have better regulation because are localised monopolies. of course it's a licence, literally a licence to print and. therefore we print money and. therefore we need to have effective regulation. i don't think that what has provided that in in recent years and it's not just a case of criminal punishments, it's a case of monitoring the performance support companies and hitting them where it hurts . the management is falling on the job. then they have to be publicly made accountable and possibly with their jobs if their performance is bad enough. robyn if you find any discarded pizza boxes tomorrow morning, please save me an hot . please save me an hot. absolutely brilliant stuff. thank you very robin in st

albans in hertfordshire talking about cleaning up a britain. well, next up, let's talk about older dads , because the former older dads, because the former channel 4 newsreader channel 4 news presented jon snow has had a baby . he's news presented jon snow has had a baby. he's now 75 news presented jon snow has had a baby . he's now 75 years of age a baby. he's now 75 years of age . he said he's completely at ease with becoming a father. it is decade but is children later in life selfish? is it unfair ? in life selfish? is it unfair? we'll discuss that .

next in just 15 minutes time, i will deaung in just 15 minutes time, i will dealing with harry and meghan despite their endless attacks , despite their endless attacks, the monarchy. they've achieved just one thing, which is to make king charles, more popular ever. that's my big opinion up very shortly. also, the great british

houdayis shortly. also, the great british holiday is threat. that's the topic of my take at ten. welcome back to , the people's hour with back to, the people's hour with me mark dolan . i'm taking your me mark dolan. i'm taking your video calls between now. and nine, the former channel 4 news presenter john snow has nine, the former channel 4 news presenterjohn snow has said presenter john snow has said that he's completely at ease with becoming a father again in his seventies. the broadcaster, who is a sprightly 75 and his wife, the academic precious lunga, who is 48, welcomed baby boy via a in march 20, 21, after struggling with medical setbacks and miscarriage . struggling with medical setbacks and miscarriage. his congratulations to the couple. speaking to the saga exceptional publication. snow said there are three very small people in my life two grandson, sons aged one and three, and son who is going on five. i'm completely at ease with late fatherhood . i don't with late fatherhood. i don't feel i'll drop him. i don't feel exhausted. i haven't found the age relevant to my relations ship with my son or grandsons is

being a grandad different to being a grandad different to being a grandad different to being a dad? not really. in the end, it's all love, isn't it ? end, it's all love, isn't it? that's what he had to say. so is dadsin that's what he had to say. so is dads in their seventies a welcome development or is it unfair having children late in life? let's go to the royal borough of windsor and laws high laws . hi, mark, how are you? i'm laws. hi, mark, how are you? i'm very well. lovely to see you. great to have you back on the show. what do you think about folks having kids in their 70? is it selfish ? is it unfair ? is it selfish? is it unfair? it's an interesting question, but it all comes to down survivability. you know, how long is it going to be around? around if he makes it to 95, 96. you know, the sun be 20. so i think it's the older you are , think it's the older you are, the harder it is because obviously there is a trauma traumatic for the child on death particularly if they're young. so it all depends the upbringing of the child . i mean, it's

of the child. i mean, it's a question really, really neil hamilton how he would feel christine had a child it at that age. well it's funny you should say that to maria and abby. do you think we could bring neil into this in a three box? if you get a chance or we can come straight to neil on it? because i do have it on record that i do have it on good record that christine's ovaries are robust and, active. neil, what you think? can you imagine becoming a later in life? well i think this is unlikely. but, you know, i think that if you are like johnson , precious lunga and are johnson, precious lunga and are desperate to have a child , it's desperate to have a child, it's perfectly understandable that you this to happen regardless of age . but i do think it's a age. but i do think it's a problem for a child to lose parents when they're quite young . and that is a factor which ought to be considered. i think 75 and sprightly is thing, but when he gets to 85, 95 and

beyond , how is john going to be beyond, how is john going to be then? who knows? but who are we to judge? you know, we can't judge on others. individual lifestyles and abilities to look after children, presumably . john after children, presumably. john isn't children to bob and the child will have a perfectly good upbringing with all sorts of possibilities that are denied others unless exalted positions in life. so it all depends on the circumstances of the family . well, to bring up a child in, say, you know, a council flat in the middle of, one of our big cities, but rather different from up a child in the circumstances in which john snow no doubt lives now. very happy for them. but it it's certainly something which you shouldn't do lightly selfish lightly and just for selfish motives that would like motives, that you would like a child, you should should child, that you should should have the impact the have to think of the impact the little that you're going little person that you're going to bring world and stay to bring into the world and stay there. neil there laws and delighted to welcome in essex as well . andrew isn't this a bit of well. andrew isn't this a bit of academic discussion given the

fact that a young father can can have a child at 20 and go under a bus? well i kind of agree with you, but i also very much disagree. you know, was all done when john was nobody has a for channel numerous years and now this baby was of a surrogate birth, 75. he is not really meant to be around but for the joy- meant to be around but for the joy . and also you know as an ex joy. and also you know as an ex schoolteacher many years ago i had children in my class he would discriminate against a bully . their parents were would discriminate against a bully. their parents were in their fifties . then i had their fifties. then i had a discussion with the banks numerous years ago. now at in a us having kids and you know in you know at a younger age . and you know at a younger age. and also you know for the child they would be bullied and you know the child may be nurtured to be developed . you know it's hard

developed. you know it's hard enoughi developed. you know it's hard enough i became a doctor the second time 18 months ago at the age of 30, you know, having been age of 30, you know, having been a doctor originally . that's why a doctor originally. that's why i lost . one of my a doctor originally. that's why i lost. one of my dogs a doctor originally. that's why i lost . one of my dogs two years i lost. one of my dogs two years ago, which it cancer, both in terms this particular child , terms this particular child, johns, is kind of the same age as the grandchild is going to be as the grandchild is going to be a very confusing relationship. but i, i also whether , you know, but i, i also whether, you know, they're really thought about in terms of the age gap as well for his wife, if the wife could be a widow a very, very long time and, you know, the child not having a father, they go could lead to other issues . and you lead to other issues. and you know, i was reading the from the guardian's perspective and they were not very happy this whole and you know, the fact that he's had a surrogate weight it is such a very very late age. i mean, i know some people when i was in britain, it was years ago who were working at the mirror ,

who were working at the mirror, the neil there in the seventies but that's fine. but in terms of having children, i think it's absolutely immoral . i'm sorry. absolutely immoral. i'm sorry. okay i mean, lars, what do you think that you've you've heard a variety of viewpoints on that, but immoral, says andrew in essex i kind of get it. i do get andrew the point slightly. it does worry me slightly that the grandchildren going to be older than the son that always slightly kind of almost makes you feel a bit uneasy if you don't know if you've of get well i mean i do find and i do agree with neil there is an emotion or potential a mental issue with a young child losing a father and the grief that is involved. and the grief that is involved. and the younger they are , the more the younger they are, the more issue that becomes. my sister , issue that becomes. my sister, when she was 40 and a my niece suffered terribly as a result of it . she was 13. so there is

it. she was 13. so there is a there is an element of if something was to happen to john snow, how would that child react? and how would that affect its mental state, given that the age of the child. are we though laws guilty of ageism in this conversation . i mean, if i was conversation. i mean, if i was 70 and i still have the energy, i i'd be quite happy, really, if i i'd be quite happy, really, if i mean, you know, if you're looking at it from that respect. but i guess are to a degree guilty of a certain amount of age, ageism . i mean, 70 years age, ageism. i mean, 70 years old, i wouldn't particularly to be doing bottle feeds at 3:00 in the morning, you know , just the morning, you know, just about i've just about got time to watch , you know, gb news at to watch, you know, gb news at 3:00 in the morning if i haven't already asleep. well, certainly not when you're watching reruns , ashleigh. it's obviously an interesting , isn't it, neil? i

interesting, isn't it, neil? i mean , you know, we wish this mean, you know, we wish this family well . john snow in his is family well. john snow in his is wife he said in the interview that really it was a gift to his wife . she'd had trouble wife. she'd had trouble conceiving. she's her mid to late forties . it was her last late forties. it was her last chance to have a baby and that's really at the heart of this story. yeah. well, ian, 48, is quite old. it in terms of gynaecology, certainly , and now gynaecology, certainly, and now nature predisposes us to become infertile at whatever age is the average for a very good reason when less of looking after children and bringing them up and all the other things that we've been talking about. obviously we today have all sorts of possibilities that are open to switch weren't open to our ancestors in more primitive days so one shouldn't pass placed place much weight on this but i still think that when you are older you have got energy. and as you rightly say , andrew,

and as you rightly say, andrew, waking up at three in the morning for bottle feeding and so is not something that i at the age of 75 also and almost would welcome i rememberjohn he also had i think a child very late in life he had a very old fashioned and sexy attitude towards bottle feeding in the middle of the night. and so and it i can well understand his to all those kinds of gory details of bringing up very very small children. yes i have heard that the only bottle feeding he did was johnnie walker. but there you go. that could just be a vicious rumour. by the i've vicious rumour. by the way, i've met john humphrys . total hero, met john humphrys. total hero, lovely there go . so lovely man. there you go. so look, got to say a great look, i've got to say a great debate laws andrew i've enjoyed having on the people's hour so much as i have enjoyed robin and shaun and zachary and, all of the other stars on the people's houn the other stars on the people's hour. the two, suze , there's a hour. the two, suze, there's a list i. think as well. all of our great viewers on the people's hour who will feature

on future episodes of mark dolan's next up it's my big opinion and i'm afraid i'm going to have to deal with. harry and meghan, i'm not pulling my punches. there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

next it's 9:00 and this is mark dolan tonight up in my big opinion. spoilt cry—babies. harry meghan's relentless attacks on. the monarchy are serving only one purpose to make the monarchy more popular in the big question tonight after an act swore at the tories at week, he actually said f the tories, is it bad to be right wing these days? plus we will hear from kinsey schofield , the queen of us. schofield, the queen of us. showbiz royal and political reporting . is donald trump going reporting. is donald trump going to jail next week? i you not and in my take it ten striking

possible workers are planning to ruin the great british summer houday. ruin the great british summer holiday. i'll ruin the great british summer holiday . i'll get my reaction. holiday. i'll get my reaction. plus the papers with my fantastic saturday panel. lots to get through, but that big opinion is coming next. it's harry and meghan are not pulling my for us. the headline is with gb news royalty . tatiana sanchez gb news royalty. tatiana sanchez . mark, thank you very much and good evening this. is the latest from the gb newsroom the home secretary has to fended the government's plan to send migrants to rwanda . it comes as migrants to rwanda. it comes as 200 people crossed the channel yesterday after five days of inactivity . suella braverman is inactivity. suella braverman is inactivity. suella braverman is in the rwandan capital, kigali, where been given a tour of a housing that will provide long accommodation for refugees . she accommodation for refugees. she maintains the government's policy, which has faith criticism, will act as a powerful deterrent for those considering dangerous journeys in small boats . the home

in small boats. the home secretary also visited a training and education centre where she addressed some of the graduates . we are absolutely graduates. we are absolutely delighted and excited about our partnership with rwanda to be creating a vibrant community here, to be a positive secure, beautiful haven and home for many thousands of people. and i'm really about the contribution that these talented graduates will be making to the prosperity of rwanda and the security of many, many people . security of many, many people. meanwhile, thousands of people across the country took to the streets to protest against racism today . the demonstration racism today. the demonstration was partly organised in response to the government's illegal migration bill. marches were held in london glass and cardiff this afternoon . one demonstrator this afternoon. one demonstrator sign read no human being is

donald trump's says he expects to be arrested on tuesday and writing on his website truth social, he called on his supporters to protest and take the nation back. the manhattan district attorney's office is likely bring charges against the former us president over an alleged hush money payment made to the adult star stormy daniels in. the run up to the 2016 election? no president has ever been criminally charged. trump, who's been impeached twice, says the attorney's office is corrupt and highly political . the snp's and highly political. the snp's chief executive has resigned . chief executive has resigned. immediate effect. it follows reports. peter murrell, who's also nicolas sturgeon's husband, was facing threat of a vote of no confidence following a row over the party's membership numbers. in a statement, he said while there was no intent to mislead, he accepts that been the outcome. michael russell oversee the operation of the snp headquarters in the interim . and

headquarters in the interim. and gary lineker returned to match of the day presenting today after taken off air last week. comments he made about the government's policy. mr. lineker compared the language to launch the government's new illegal migration bill with , that of migration bill with, that of 19305 migration bill with, that of 1930s germany. he's been covering the fa cup quarter final between man city and burnley burnley tv online and davey plus radio. this a gb news. now it's back to mark dolan tonight . dolan tonight. my dolan tonight. my thanks to tatiana, she's with me. all evening. she's back in an hour's time to a special saturday night edition of mark dolan tonight. listen, you've been hard all week. hopefully you put the kids to bed. so let's get the kettle on and let's get the kettle on and let's open a bottle of something

french and let's have 2 hours to remember , in my big opinion, remember, in my big opinion, spoilt cry—babies harry and meghan's relentless attacks on the monarchy are serving only one purpose to make the king even more popular in the big question. tonight's after an actor on the oscars red swore at the tories he actually said f the tories he actually said f the tories he actually said f the tories will be asking if it's now to be right wing hear from both sides on that one later this hour. we'll live to la. to get all the latest from the queen of us, show biz royal political reporting, kinsey will be asking kinsey whether former president donald is about to be arrested . i kid you not. could arrested. i kid you not. could he be going to jail next week . he be going to jail next week. and in the news agenda workplaces a just is mother's day a bit overrated and should e—scooters be banned it might take a ten striking passport workers are planning to ruin the

great british summer holiday. my reaction. plus, tomorrow's sunday papers hot off the press right until 11 with full reaction from one of my favourite journalists , ross favourite journalists, ross clarke from the mail and the spectator . we've also got my spectator. we've also got my amazing panel tonight reacting to the big stories of the royal insider, ken wharfe, former bodyguard to diana has sonographer, academic and commentator peter dr. lisa mackenzie . doctor will see you mackenzie. doctor will see you now and standing in for the next few minutes. neal leader of ukip , tory mp he's warming the seat for bestselling author and journalist duncan larcombe who has been delayed. why because of those blooming rail strikes . say those blooming rail strikes. say thank you, neal, for staying on make sure you put another of quid on that invoice . so there quid on that invoice. so there you go. lots to get through. i want to hear from you throughout the show. got an email yesterday from of us saying why aren't you reading our emails out? you are so right. it's the most important of the show and it's

when get right to when you get your right to reply, drop me a line reply, so do drop me a line right now and throughout the programme mark at .uk my priority your opinions priority is to get your opinions on the national television and radio airwaves . this programme radio airwaves. this programme has a golden rule. it's bullet proof rule. it's my red line we don't do boring not on my watch i just won't have it. so for the next 2 hours, big debates, big guests and always big opinions. let's with this . one spoilt let's with this. one spoilt cry—babies harry and meghan and their attacks on the monarchy have achieved only one thing to make the more popular. the polling firm focal data whose latest finding is published in the online unheard say that 55% of the public believe it's a good thing that britain has a monarchy with 30% agree. king strongly that it's a good thing

only% would prefer a republic , only% would prefer a republic, whilst there isn't a day goes by that we don't mourn the passing of our great queen far being over the hill. her septuagenarian son charles, who has waited decades for the gig , has waited decades for the gig, has waited decades for the gig, has hit the ground running, preparing for a modest but majestic coronation are in full swing , showing the world swing, showing the world everything that's great about this country . everything that's great about this country. but scaling back on profligacy and over—the—top and expensive celebrations, the palace importantly understand that millions of brits who want to celebrate . the new king are to celebrate. the new king are also struggling to make ends meet . the people's king also struggling to make ends meet. the people's king must be for every moment of his tenure of what his people are going through . that's right. you heard through. that's right. you heard it first, folks. king charles must be the people's king. and he started the job with a welcome sprinkling of his own

family. firstly by taking his troublesome brother into hand, reportedly slashing his annual salary of a quarter of £1,000,000, and therefore effectively turfing him out of his £30 million royal lodge in windsor my heart bleeds. and he's turfed harry and meghan the ginger windsor and woke mono out of frogmore cottage which had me leaping for joy of frogmore cottage which had me leaping forjoy . charles has leaping for joy. charles has handled this pair of privacy obsessed attention sunseekers perfectly his ultimate weapon smile . the dignity with which smile. the dignity with which charles has allowed this couple to hang themselves out to dry is a credit to him . and it's a credit to him. and it's straight out of the playbook of his unnaturally dignified mother, the late great queen. all of the mudslinging, all the washing of dirty laundry in pubuc washing of dirty laundry in public has come from colourful here, not windsor. ignoring this couple is kryptonite. they hate

it , it destroys them, and long it, it destroys them, and long may it continue. charles his vow of silence and his extraordinarily generous decision invite the couple to the coronation and secures for him the moral high ground. he's not picking fight with this couple because he's not playing their game . he will give them no their game. he will give them no ammunition with which to further cast themselves as victims . cast themselves as victims. millionaire victims , ancient millionaire victims, ancient royal titles rattling around a californian mansion . you californian mansion. you couldn't make it up . and it's couldn't make it up. and it's great to see the monarchy so popular. there are some concerns that younger voters are infused with the idea a royal family. but would suggest that once william and kate accede to the throne, it will be problem solved . they will surely be the solved. they will surely be the most photogenic, popular and charismatic royal couple since their grandparents, elizabeth and philip . now, don't get me and philip. now, don't get me wrong , do find the idea of

wrong, do find the idea of a monarchy rather odd, but like so many great british traditions , many great british traditions, it's bonkers on paper. but it works. history is the ultimate test, and i would argue that for generation after generation , the generation after generation, the monarchy has passed with flying colours . it's the gift that colours. it's the gift that keeps on giving . don't forget keeps on giving. don't forget the alternative to a would be some tedious elected presidents probably , a clapped out probably, a clapped out ex—politician celebrity. it could be president tony blair president, theresa may or wait for it president st gary lineker lord help . us now at least lord help. us now at least positive polling great news going into the long live the king and long live the monarchy he serves. it's time for a right royal celebration . what's your

royal celebration. what's your reaction market? gbnews.uk harry and meghan have endlessly criticised the royal family but they are more popular than ever . me know your thoughts so get to your opinions in just a moment. but reacting to my big opinion all as luck would have it, this show isn't just thrown together. former bodyguard to princess diana , royal insider. princess diana, royal insider. and now of broadcaster and author ken wharfe , ethnographer, author ken wharfe, ethnographer, academic and commentator to dr. lisa mackenzie , the leader of lisa mackenzie, the leader of ukip, former mp neil hamilton. great to have all three of you with me. can have to start with you. this polling will be very reassuring to the new king, won't it? what it will be, mark. but i mean, i must say that was an extraordinary introduction, one of the best i think , one of the best i think, surprise that we're still talking harry and meghan at this point . you know, i thought point. you know, i thought they'd had their time on air, but you're absolutely right. but i think it's played , as you say,

i think it's played, as you say, right into the into the king's court as such, because , you court as such, because, you know, his popularity is certainly risen over the last few weeks. certainly since the death of mother. but he played this card very, very well. you know , whether harry and meghan , know, whether harry and meghan, you know, come to his coronation in may is another thing. personally, i it would be a mistake because there's no doubt in my view , you know, the woe in my view, you know, the woe media will focus on that. and that's something that i think , that's something that i think, you know, the palace and the king particularly will be concerned about. so i had to place a bet. i think it's unlikely that they'll turn up if harry turns up, maybe . but i'd harry turns up, maybe. but i'd be very surprised if meghan were to accept this . but i think the to accept this. but i think the king himself has played this, you know, very softly and very well indeed . mean, you know, you well indeed. mean, you know, you know charles intimately well. you've got great respect for the guy you you've got great respect for the guy you hold him in high regard and do you feel that that his response to the brickbats from california has been characteristic of the king is it

in his nature to take these things on the chin and to have a dignified silence . i don't think dignified silence. i don't think he's actually taken full, full blown shot on the chin. i think he's been very clever with the way in which he's dealt dealt with. i mean, let's not forget , with. i mean, let's not forget, you know, he is the father of how we know that. and you know he he's sort of had a long history of wondering , you know, history of wondering, you know, what to do within his own marriage. and in those early years in the and accepts that you know there were problems and he himself would be the first to admit that perhaps he wasn't the perhaps the father he should have been. but know, as time moves on, he accepts the errors of ways. i daresay and, you of his ways. i daresay and, you know, wants him to be much part of you know, this coronation . of you know, this coronation. and, you know, i've said this to you before, mark, but look, crucially for him that one of the things that he wanted to do was to re, modernise, re and reinvent effectively a new monarchy . and he wanted in the monarchy. and he wanted in the real, real of the word, to have his eldest son, william and

harry to be part of this this triad , this this triangle, to triad, this this triangle, to move , you know, the royal family move, you know, the royal family into this century. but, you know, he's lost one third of that now. but that said, you know, he's still has an affection for his son, wants to be part of it, but he had to say what he said. but whether harry accepts it or not, i'm actually rather doubtful of this. lisa mackenzie i being too hard on the duke and duchess of sussex . the duke and duchess of sussex. yes, they've done the podcasts we've had the book. they'll probably be, you know , many more probably be, you know, many more revelations to come . but they revelations to come. but they are just human beings , after are just human beings, after all. you can be as hard as you want to symbolic because , you want to symbolic because, you know, as you know, i am not a royalist , am one of the 18% that royalist, am one of the 18% that believes that we should have a republic and so i'm not that worried really . meghan republic and so i'm not that worried really. meghan and harry what do in with william castrate and what they're doing ? i think and what they're doing? i think what i do with this is take a

broader view of it and i'm thinking about democracy and the way the democracy is becoming further and further polarised. people believing in it less . and people believing in it less. and i think that might be you know and i think the sort of popularity of the royals as well as sort of people looking to celebrity for their political voice. i think that sort of it says is telling us something about this. our times politics actually. so saying a good thing. lisa, sorry to interrupt you, but isn't it a good thing because at the monarchy unites us, it gets away from left versus right. it does. i mean, i suppose does. but you can't get rid of the. and i think that's the point of democracy, isn't it, that we all get a say, but we don't get to say with the monarchy, we can't get rid of them. you know, we charles is foisted on us whether we like it or not. william will be next. know what? if i wanted you know what if i wanted a different

type of monarchy? what if i princess charlotte instead of george what if i want? you know, we don't get that with the monarchy. you can't have say, you know, what would you i mean, as an alternative president. gary lineker would would you ? gary lineker would would you? would you. oh well to be i think all politics. all so polarised and so broken it really wouldn't surprise me if we are the president governing to the point with president gary lineker is we could vote him out we could get rid of owen if didn't like it. well, neil neil, i've just thought i mean, i don't want a republic. surely the most explosive choice for . president explosive choice for. president of the united kingdom would be one be johnson . well he's an one be johnson. well he's an entertainer, isn't he? and the monarchy is bad news. a form theatre in a way boris. yeah, but in 19th century, walter badgett wrote book called the engush badgett wrote book called the english constitution , where he english constitution, where he said that the monarchy part of the dignified element of the constitution rather than the

efficient of the constitution. he thought politicians in those days were efficient know whether he was writing today , he would he was writing today, he would hold to the same view. but i think what we have to realise here is that the monarchy is not political or shouldn't be and i think the king is doing very well in steering a course well so far in steering a course outside of political controversy. how do you do needs that. we do need a ceremonial of state and that's all better for it to be part of living history because our monarchy has lasted now for over a thousand years than to have some nonentity. i mean, who knows who the president germany is now? dr. or the president of , italy, they the president of, italy, they have no personality that resonates in the way that the monarchy as an institution has in britain and you know i hate to think of the monarchy in terms of the hard cash it generates for our country . but generates for our country. but there's no doubt that these traditions are of immense to us, not just in in the form of pound, shillings and pence, but also in terms of britain's rapid

national standing in the world. yeah, well, i think you raise a great point. let me ask my viewers and listeners do you rate king charles? has he surpassed your expectations? if we didn't have a monarchy who would be president? it's presidents jeremy clarkson presidents jeremy clarkson president nigel farage, now you're talking. there you go . you're talking. there you go. look, why do you offer your nominations? who who might be president? but we don't really want we're focusing on charles and reaction to and and his reaction to harry and meghan's criticism made him meghan's criticism it's made him more popular the let me more popular. the polls. let me know thoughts. market in know your thoughts. market in news agenda coming up is workplace age is mother's day overrated? and e—scooters be banned. overrated? and e—scooters be banned . but next in the big banned. but next in the big question after an actor on the oscars red carpet swore at the tories. in fact , he said the tories. in fact, he said the f—word. he said f the tories will be asking, is it now bad to be right wing? these days we're ? hear from both sides on that one and sparks will fly. don't go anywhere .

we will. a big reaction to my big opinion on email. harry and meghan have been very critical of king charles. all it's done is made him more popular in the polls his reaction is dignified reactions . this couple has been reactions. this couple has been fantastic straight from the playbook of late great mother queen elizabeth ii on email amanda says hi mark fab show. i love the royals, but i would love the royals, but i would love widdecombe as president . a love widdecombe as president. a no nonsense common sense woman and president and that is the ultimate idea and i fully commend it fact i would campaign for and if we were not lucky enough to have monarchy great shout amanda mark says as an unnamed male here the odds that if you were in a republic rather than a monarchy, you would get fascist dictatorship into wars and it would be 150 to 1 on. in

other words, he just thinks it'd be very bad for democracy. and last, not least for now, sam says, listening to your yellow lady guest , i says, listening to your yellow lady guest, i didn't vote for the last three pms. there was no vote . so we can't get rid of vote. so we can't get rid of anyone, including the monarchy. nor i to get rid of nor would i want to get rid of all charles is doing . all royals. charles is doing. he's given us the income wind farms, which was large amount and ongoing. we in safe hands says. and ongoing. we in safe hands says . sam and finally , and ongoing. we in safe hands says. sam and finally , bridget, says. sam and finally, bridget, who i think speaks for many bridget. how are you tonight? thanks for emailing gbnews.uk . thanks for emailing gbnews.uk. bridget says we don't want a republic . we could end up with a republic. we could end up with a dictator the monarchy is not political. does not cost us as much as a president and it bnngsin much as a president and it brings in many foreign visitors. no other country does. pomp and ceremony like jeb they go, look, i'll get some more of your emails shortly . gb news uk i'll get some more of your emails shortly. gb news uk. it's time for this. emails shortly. gb news uk. it's time for this . now star of the

time for this. now star of the popular tv series in paris, lucy and love is count turned the air blue at last weekend's oscars by yelling the obscenity. if the tories that's right if the tories that's right if the tories during a tv interview follows comedian and impossible actor simon pegg, who used similar language about the conservatives and rishi sunak in a viral video earlier this year . so why is it open season on conservatives on their support us? that's tonight's big question . is it wrong to be question. is it wrong to be right wing these days to debate this. i'm delighted to welcome labour mp a very balanced man . labour mp a very balanced man. he'd never use the f—word . he'd never use the f—word. stephen pounds and the assistant of conservativehome william atkinson . hi, will, and welcome atkinson. hi, will, and welcome to the show. why is it so easy now to attack people who are of a conservative disposition . why a conservative disposition. why do those on the right so brutally vilified ? well one

brutally vilified? well one could point to the myriad failures of the various tory governments we've had, over the last 13 years. but i'd say in a broader this is just a less eloquent version of the 1980 slogan. maggie maggie. outhouse out . being conservative slogan. maggie maggie. outhouse out. being conservative has always been an unpopular opinion with people. you have to fashionable and i'd just like to the gospel of luke . forgive the gospel of luke. forgive them, lord, for they know not what they do. if the only argument you can come up with against a particular political or disposition is or political disposition is simply bring out the f—word , simply bring out the f—word, then frankly, i don't think you've got any eloquent arguments. and i'd hope that somebody a far more somebody like who is a far more eloquent exponent of the left, the left case would agree with me if you're saying me that if you're saying resorting all lateral answers resorting to all lateral answers is actually undermining the very case that the finance, the conservative to make conservative party would to make . indeed. so, although i just . indeed. so, although ijust wonder, william, whether does have a longer history. the brilliant journalist ross clarke, who's joining me later in the show, wrote an article last entitled why is it okay to

be vile and offensive if you're left wing ? we've had, for left wing? we've had, for example the actress miriam margolyes saying that she'd wished boris johnson had died of covid. well, i mean yes, but i think it's i think it's essentially to get very technical about the idea that . technical about the idea that. if you're left wing, you're fundamental, aiming to be progressive, you're aiming to challenge the status quo . and i challenge the status quo. and i think not so much as they was 20, 30 years ago, but there are still some sort of frisson of excitement that comes with using bad language , hence why, you bad language, hence why, you know, we're saying if the now rather than quoting the actual the exclusive and full and so if you want to make points, if you want to make a splash, then deploy a relatively lewd language. i mean, miriam hasn't done anything of much interest for the last 20 odd years. so she's got to find some way to get into the place. that's right. ouch. stephen pound, great to have you on the great to have you on the. the comedian jo jo . thank you. jo

comedian jo jo. thank you. jo brand, god bless you for being my second bride. jo brand said on the radio four comedy show. it would be very entertaining to see acid thrown in the face of nigel farage. now, in fairness , nigel farage. now, in fairness, it was a satirical show and i'm the king of free speech. she's entitled to say it, but it doesn't seem to happen in the other direction. the right towards the left. no, no. i mean, like who i want in favour of free speech, but free speech doesn't mean shouting fire anyone though. anyone a crowded cinema, though. sometimes bit sometimes it's got to be bit silly. is serious about silly. look, is a serious about what left and right wing what the left and right wing means. the first time anybody ever talked about left and right was in after the french revolution. and it was the left and wings of the and right wings of the revolutionary party in, the first assembly. there first national assembly. there were there were were no royalists and there were no monarchists . all been no monarchists. and all had been executed, slaughtered in the executed, all slaughtered in the gironde. so this the gironde. and so this is the thing, from my perspective, from the makes it so the left, what makes it so extraordinary is that the real hatred, real loathing, the hatred, the real loathing, the left within socialism left right is within socialism is the left. and

is within the left. and constantly being a centrist or a moderate or a blairite or, you know, right wing stormer. right. you know, that's the real hatred. the problem we've got here is the conservatives have left the. they're not making the case. even my time. you know, case. even in my time. you know, many in politics. many many years in politics. i knock on doors, because i'm a conservative. i'm proud to be a conservative. i'm proud to be a conservative. not clear off. got me neo communist socialists at first. anyway the point being that if the conservatives present as they did this week, a budget which was basically a rehash of brexit phillips and speech on childcare and that has nothing which is authentically conservative about it, then you can hardly blame people saying that you know, that this is not easy, it's a cheap shot. but as always being said, you know, the good lack of conviction and the right, the full of the wrong are full of the terrible intensive. and are people who and there are people who will look shot to make look for this cheap shot to make this . but honestly, the this comment. but honestly, the examples you've. these are children in playpen throwing their faces around . children in playpen throwing theirfaces around . i'm sorry their faces around. i'm sorry it's embarrassing . i know. and i

it's embarrassing. i know. and i think you raise a really good point, stephen, because i was talking about wokeism last night and extreme political correctness . and in my big correctness. and in my big opinion, i pointed out that there are millions on the left around who detest around the world who detest wokeism and especially more traditional labour and peace, more traditional labour voters, red wall voters. they don't like the pc stuff. so it's really the woke left that seem to be behind this this vitriol and, this this vicious language . well, i just vicious language. well, i just that somebody would actually make the case like this afternoon's demonstration as a hugei afternoon's demonstration as a huge i think socialist worker's party banners saying all refugees are welcome here. yet nobody saying, come so? nobody is saying, how come so? i mean, lights just gone out shouting the media. yes, shouting in the media. yes, i realise that we're in a cost of living crisis, steve, but even in the next couple of minutes no why on earth isn't somebody saying , do we really want every saying, do we really want every single person in the world to have free entry to this? why aren't people making the case?

why are people actually abdicating responsibility and leaving the battlefield to those who are the loudest voices or, you know, the miriam margolis for scatological rubbish. for their scatological rubbish. yeah stephen pound what is mark dolan tonight or the blair witch . you know, we get to do what we're going to do. i don't know how busy are tomorrow morning, but we can have a little trip ikea and i'll get you some lighting. so we do that. well, it is mother's day tomorrow, so that may be. maybe buy that may be. maybe i'll buy mrs. p another life. i don't know what happened. many a what happened. i'm sure many a politician have got. it's going to get . i honestly don't know to get. i honestly don't know what's happening . but there you what's happening. but there you go. it's it's the blairite go. it's the it's the blairite witch project. that's that's what's happening there. will. we'll at it interesting we'll look at it interesting moment of levity but but only for a whilst go back to for a moment whilst go back to the poison and the vitriol . so, the poison and the vitriol. so, william, this an issue . only william, is this an issue. only within a certain pocket of the left . and no, i wouldn't say so. left. and no, i wouldn't say so. but i must say, first of all, that i agree with every word

then that stephen said is entirely , entirely correct. and entirely, entirely correct. and so i apologise if you wanted a bit more of it by. but no i think it's especially when it comes to celebrities, there is a tendency towards this sort of language because i say they to get on the covers of magazines and go and all the rest, but i think it was michael portillo said that that that the right thinks the left is misguided the left thinks right is evil. and i think that's always true. you know, people you know, i've had it myself simply walking down the street, story parts, compasses you know, compasses or whatever, you know, i've actually attended i've never actually attended as tory only as tory party member, only as a journalist , tory party member, only as a journalist, but there's always a bag mobile people to shouts in your face and you get that your face and you don't get that at know, you get at you know, you don't get tories standing their flak tories standing up in their flak jackets tweeds to the jackets and tweeds to do the same party same as the labour party conference. so i think conference. right. so i think there's, it's part there's, there's, it's part being left wing and i think this dates back hundreds if not thousands years. of thousands of years. the time of the christians is that if the only christians is that if you fundamentally you think you're fundamentally righteous your righteous and you think your opponent fundamentally for opponent is fundamentally for advocating things that advocating the things that they're , of course they're advocating, of course you're to angry of

you're going to be angry of course going to be course you're going to be passionate. of that's passionate. and of course that's going to you to lee and going to lead you to lee and a quite strong language and i entirely understand that that doesn't necessarily make it right. doesn't necessarily right. that doesn't necessarily make for making make it a useful tool for making say i want to infuriate and i'm listening to the news quiz today and yesterday's news quiz. that was that was your mistake on bbc. anybody who makes a comment about the conservatives and i got a great roar of applause for it and it just was an earth isn't the counter argument being made? why on earth are people being challenged they go being challenged when they go for shot, this low for these cheap shot, this low blow, this idea just try to blow, this idea just to try to shock , get some sort of shock, get some sort of reaction. why on aren't people standing it apart from standing up for it apart from obviously mock and in a few obviously you mock and in a few other people. well there you go look just want want stephen look just want i want stephen i want voices this show left want all voices this show left right centre you . name it now right centre you. name it now stephen. well done. i understand that quickly signed up to that you quickly signed up to octopus energy and the lights are back on pound are back on at the pound household. mrs. theme but be happy she gets to see all of

your face again . look, your handsome face again. look, a debate, stephen. a brilliant debate, stephen. i'm sorry. you though. sorry. didn't ask you though. i always watching you on on always enjoy watching you on on jobs co and we look forward to your return to mark dolan tonight soon and also many thanks to william atkins who is the assistant editor conservativehome. thanks, william . thank you, stephen. william. thank you, stephen. there you go look, we don't do bonng there you go look, we don't do boring not my watch. we've been asking, is it bad to be right wing these days? 35.8% said yes. 64.2% said no that's right. a majority say it's not a bad thing to be a right wing look. it's all about opinions i don't care about left versus right. i want to hear all views on this show. mark at gbnews.uk . is show. mark at gbnews.uk. is donald trump going to jail next week? we'll discuss that with schofield live from hollywood california. but next in the news agenda, have workplaces become to adjust gb news. but what about the others? see you .

that was a good one. i brilliant says richard's the prophet mark dolan show is back involving viewers again last night must have been a blip. yeah. well, thank you for that, richard emailed the programme saying why aren't you reading out more emails? and look, show's emails? and look, this show's all feedback, okay? all about feed feedback, okay? anything you love. and if you don't love, let me know. market regarding the king regarding king charles the king has himself to be has shown himself to be extremely dealing with the extremely when dealing with the markle's i use that term as we know who's in charge that know who's in charge in that couple the king's role includes putting state ahead of family. he should have cut that dreadful couple out like a cancerous tumour . he's couple out like a cancerous tumour. he's making the royal family look ridiculous. martin thank you for that last not least, good evening. mark says david in knots. mark, the royal family. unlike most elected politicians , have their finger politicians, have their finger on the pulse . our nation. we on the pulse. our nation. we should be eternally grateful for that. thank goodness we have the

royals. thank goodness, ginge and cringe overseas . let's hope and cringe overseas. let's hope they stay there . brilliant they stay there. brilliant stuff. oh, look, i'll get some more of your emails shortly. market gb news dot uk reacting to the big stories of the day royal insider former bodyguard to princess diana and now from broadcaster wharfe , broadcaster ken wharfe, ethnographer, academic commentator dr. lisa mackenzie . commentator dr. lisa mackenzie. and he's finally made it out of taxi because of the rail strikes . the bestselling author and journalist duncan larcombe , you journalist duncan larcombe, you made it in one piece. thank you , mark. i'm sorry i'm late. you millions have been disrupted, but you were worth the wait. let's pack home. we've got three stories in the next 10 minutes to crack on with in our quickfire news agenda , starting quickfire news agenda, starting with the news that four academics have won an age discrimination claim . oxford discrimination claim. oxford university. the academics were forced to retire at the age of 68 under a policy apparently intended to promote equality and however an employment tribunal has found that the policy has a

discriminate effect. so our is becoming more a just what do we think lisa ? i think they've think lisa? i think they've always been quite aged. i do about this story just because i know academics that have been to retire. i've got a friend actually worked at cambridge professor of education and. she was kind of forced to retire . was kind of forced to retire. well, you know, in mid sixties. yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. she could have done a few more years. i mean, she's a fantastic academic she's both she's wonderful. and you students love her work is fantastic love. but again, you know , to sort of step out and know, to sort of step out and you know it's the it's got the wrong tone about it it doesn't it really you know, you've got a good you've got a good member of staff and, you know, forcing them out a particular point indeed i've just quickly google duncan the age of king charles got one of the important got one of the most important and demanding in the and demanding jobs in the country 74 is 74. you could country he's 74 is 74. you could advert for the older worker. well let's hope so. let's hope so. i i suppose he's doing

alright so far yeah. i mean he doesn't like energy, he like experience and that speaks for many who could potentially contribute to the workplace. i think that's true mean i think people are seeing what king people are seeing that what king charles he buried his charles yeah he's he buried his mother but frankly i think also buned mother but frankly i think also buried prince charles at the same time we've had this new he he seems very, very regal which is good when got that job but for some these waited since the age of four to take the job. you know that's that's quite a long time to prepare for the coronation for these last few months. well, that's right. why have we forgotten the importance experience? it's got to be good for economy. earlier the for the economy. earlier in the show, we talking about how show, we were talking about how 7 million people of working age are active the economy. are not active in the economy. we've to change that. and we've got to change that. and that would include the over sixties and the seventies. can well, couldn't more well, i, i couldn't agree more with there are a lot with you. i mean there are a lot of people out there that do want to but, you know, this to work. but, you know, this example about academics, you know, say goodbye know, being told to say goodbye , you know, is a shame. the king

himself a for life, so himself got a job for life, so it matters not him. and you it matters not to him. and you know, is you know, a know, he is you know, in a perfect position . you know, i'm perfect position. you know, i'm actually the same age as him, but , you know, i actually the same age as him, but, you know, i find actually the same age as him, but , you know, i find that but, you know, i find that astonishing. thankfully i don't want to get i don't want to get sent to the tower. but you look a decade younger. we need to speak the future of the two of you next to each other. i mean, it would. well, well, okay, but but i do think that, you know, there is a problem in the press today. they're talking about people of 50, 55 people over the age of 50, 55 coming out of retirement, offered, know, future offered, you know, future employment. that's not employment. you know, that's not going to so, you know , going to happen. so, you know, you know, i do believe that there are a lot of people of that 50, 60 that have a that 50, 60 age that have a great deal experience that that would be a valued contribution to any workplace. i mean even for example in my old profession policing for example, a lot of, you know, officers of, of all ranks leave a service after 30 years, 35 years service at the age of 55, 60, that could be usefully in so many different

aspects of policing but by virtue of aged , you know, virtue of aged, you know, they're cut short. so you know, i think it's a great shame. i think we're losing a great deal of expertise and a great deal of experience that is now of never forget, though, there people who do work and work in over do manual work and work in over 50 when you have done 30 years on a building site or you know that's a bull there, but there is no training know there is no you know, there is no sort of reversing of skills . you know, reversing of skills. you know, it's basically, you know, you too old and you too old and that's it. let's talk about mothering sunday. if we can now, lisa, janet lisa, because janet street—porter , a very street—porter, who's a very provocative journalist , has provocative journalist, has written mail newspaper , written in the mail newspaper, time to end the cult of the idea of mother's day, she says, perpetuates lie. the all mums are perfect. she's she's arguing that all mums are not we're fetishising and she said her mum drove mad for i do i think that mothering sundays like valentine's day and easter and

whatever now that we can continue. yeah. where we have to buy things. do i think that. yes i do. so would i be happy to of get rid of mother's day. no, because i think it is a day where you remember, you know, do we have to pretend that all mums are great then. i don't think they do. i don't think they do to pretend all we do we don't to pretend all we do we do don't see it, we done well. i'm not. yeah. what's with yeah. look what's wrong with having day. yeah. where at having one day. yeah. where at least. tomorrow should least. i mean tomorrow i should be round to you know be going round to you know future in house. oh future mother in laws house. oh good luck with that on your best. well, i'll be so best. well, i'll be cooking so i'll make a big hash of i'll probably make a big hash of the my, my, my own the whole thing. my, my, my own mother doug in october. mother earlier, doug in october. i'm sorry to hear that, but this is first sort mother's day is my first sort of mother's day without her not. yes. and i don't i agree janet don't think i agree with janet street—porter because if it's a day, just one day that brings families together. even if you listen, i hear you're listen, i hear what you're saying, but a few old saying, but there's a few old dragons and what are you dragons there and what are you looking at me like ? but i mean, looking at me like? but i mean, are you street—porter has has a viewpoint she's entitled. that viewpoint she's entitled. that view . you know i think it is

view. you know i think it is a special day i mean you know i remember mother's day when my late mother , you know, we didn't late mother, you know, we didn't have much and. i remember sort of stealing red hot pokers out of stealing red hot pokers out of other people's gardens, but i. a thought that counts. i. it was a thought that counts. yeah, policeman , they yeah, but as a policeman, they said no, but i do think it's a special day for the, for the vast majority of women that happen to be mothers? you know, janet's report has a point of view and i. what more can i say? nothing well, let's just add that mrs. dolan, my mother is perth and she's an angel. and there's plenty of cult of mum going on round our place . coming going on round our place. coming up, lots more at 10:00. you might take a ten striking passport. workers are planning to ruin the great british summer holiday. my reaction, you won't want miss it. but next, the queen us showbiz, royal and political reporting kinsey schofield reporting on whether president president trump could be going to prison next week. there's genuine talk that he may be arrested on tuesday. it would be arrested on tuesday. it would be the political story of the

century. trump goes jail next week.

that's is it a bad being right wing these days? an actor said f the tories at the oscars he got a round of applause david says hi mark socialists and marxists of the left who right wing parties claim to always occupy the high moral ground on every they choose to ignore the of their own ideology and history of socialist and marxist regimes, which have been far from moral and more often than not occupy the gutter . david, thank you . the gutter. david, thank you. that john mark it's not mother's day it's mothering sunday mothering a mother's day is usa invention. well how appropriate. thank you for that, john, because we are going live now to the united . it's time for us the united. it's time for us news with the queen of american

showbiz royal and political reporting . schofield hi, kinsey reporting. schofield hi, kinsey . hi, mark. a big day for donald news. i'm glad i'm with you . news. i'm glad i'm with you. well, indeed, it would be political story of the century. trump potentially arrested next week. tell me more . and guess week. tell me more. and guess who tipped us off to this? donald trump himself, the former president tweeting out or posting on truth social his own social platform should say that he expects to be arrested on tuesday . now we hear that it's tuesday. now we hear that it's actually the man, hatton d.a, that reached out to secret service to give them the heads up and trump decided to post about it and encourage people to protest to defend him. now, i have a million notes, so i just what i'm going to look down every once in a while, but i want to i want i don't want to miss anything. and this is being described as purely driven by bragg, the manhattan d.a. the way is a very volatile

way manhattan is a very volatile place right now, crime is the roof bizarre that . he's choosing roof bizarre that. he's choosing to go after donald trump right now for stormy daniels money. this case, seven years old. the statue of limitations elapsed two years ago. mark business records, they're saying that they were manipulated. that's a misdemeanour. typically but you know, alvin bragg, he's it to a felony by adding a second mystery crime which has to be either a campaign by—election or a or under state or federal law. he can't federal so it's got to be state. but again this is the law there. the second crime, it's a mystery. and that's why he's able to elevate this to a felony he's he has to do three things to it for trump to be proven guilty. he has prove that trump was personally involved in falsifying business records. this is a busy guy. i imagine there's not a lot of proof that trump's hand was on this. he has to proof prove that trump

understood campaign laws, which i challenge you to find anybody in the united states of america that truly understands our campaign laws. did he intention to only violate them while , to only violate them while, understanding them? he has to prove that to. and then there's this idea of the dual purpose doctrine . did he pay stormy doctrine. did he pay stormy daniels , you know, for a daniels, you know, for a personal or reasons out of the campaign fund ? because if so, campaign fund? because if so, personal or commercial, that not a campaign contribution . and a campaign contribution. and that's not against the law and in mind. i'm sorry, i'm going to keep going do keep in mind that the department of justice investigated this for several years the federal election commission looked into it and the predecessor before also tried to trump on this and just couldn't find anything. so again , purely politically driven how it's being described here in the united states, the twitter elon musk has entered this row back.

oh, you bet. he says if this trump will be re—elected in a landslide victory . also, john landslide victory. also, john bolton, who quit on trump while he was in the white house, was cnn today and warned that this will make him a martyr if they arrest him, if his fingerprints are taken, if there's a mug shot, the act will get him re—elect guarantee. the act will him re—elected. i think i saw meghan say something very similar on the daily mail today . now, insiders say the da's is in chaos . percent of the office in chaos. percent of the office want no part of this and they don't feel like there's a crime. and it's just small group of radicals that are pursuing this. do we know what the persistence say? yes. yes, of course . say? yes. yes, of course. trump's poll going very well. so you know, the conspiracy theories floating around are is this how they take him out of the race. is this how put him in there in his place. so that's what people are whispering . yes. what people are whispering. yes. i mean, it's obviously a complex legal issue . but do we know what

legal issue. but do we know what the percentage chances are that trump could be arrested and jailed next week it's got to be an outside bet hasn't it? i if trump is saying he expects to be obviously he's really concerned about that . he is concerned about that. he is concerned about that. he is concerned about the potential . and if he i about the potential. and if he i mean, it's hard to get under his these days. so i imagine that it's something that he is terrified of . but alan terrified of. but alan dershowitz , the attorney who dershowitz, the attorney who i believe you've actually interviewed, i think i've seen you speak to. interesting guy. yeah. yeah. alan dershowitz says that this is something he could win on appeal, but that's best chance. win on appeal, but that's best chance . king charles is chance. king charles is coronation is on the 6th of may of this year. you're flying to london and to the gb news studios to participate in our blanket of what will be the happiest of the year and look tell me about the seating plan, because that's always important with these occasions, isn't it ?

with these occasions, isn't it? well, what's actually been leaked is the procession plan . leaked is the procession plan. and we are expecting to i mean, i'm pretty excited about this prince louis, the star of jubilee. they him the boss baby on the internet is expected to partake the procession with his brother and sister and be the one that does this . oh yeah. oh one that does this. oh yeah. oh and oh yeah. and then we like a lot of , i mean, everything. lot of, i mean, everything. like, he was just such a superstar. the most fun . i superstar. the most fun. i cannot wait to see him . but he cannot wait to see him. but he is expected to participate in the procession. but what's interesting is that to harry and were not in the leaked plans us and prince andrew and his daughters were not included in the leaked plans. we do to see prince edward and we expect to see princess. so a lot of familiar faces , not some of the familiar faces, not some of the salacious ones indeed. so look , salacious ones indeed. so look, what's the latest on whether harry and meghan will accept the invitation to attend the coronation? do you think they'll

come or just harry? i know this come orjust harry? i know this is a debate that happens every single day. i think that least harry will come. it's all the benjamins with those two, and they they've created a very lifestyle for themselves , lifestyle for themselves, associating themselves with harry's family and by complaining about harry's . and complaining about harry's. and they need more content . they they need more content. they they've turned 17 months into three years of content. so they're running of steam. they are indeed. well, you never do that, of course , schofield is , that, of course, schofield is, the brilliant, brilliant person behind the to die for daily podcast website of the same name , and kinsey returns in a week's time . don't forget kinsey time. don't forget kinsey joining us in london for the coronation celebration in may. can't wait for that . we've got a can't wait for that. we've got a busy hour to come. we've our best till last it ain't my take it . ten striking passport it. ten striking passport workers are planning to ruin the great british summer. my reaction you won't want to miss

it .

it's 10:00 it's10:00 and this is mark tonight in my take it ten striking passport workers are planning to ruin the great british summer holiday. my reaction we'll tomorrow's sunday papers right until 11 with the brilliant journalists across the clock and my fantastic panel lots to get through but it's the great british summer holiday next after the headlines with tatiana sanchez . mark thank you tatiana sanchez. mark thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. the home secretary has defended

the government's plan to send illegal migrants to rwanda to suella braverman is in the rwandan capital, kigali , where rwandan capital, kigali, where she's been given a tour of housing site that will provide term accommodation for refugees . she maintains the government deportation policy, which has faced some criticism, will act as a powerful deterrent for those considering dangerous on small boats . the home secretary small boats. the home secretary also visited a training and education centre where she addressed some of the graduates . we are absolutely delighted and excited about our partnership with to be creating a vibrant community here, to be a vibrant community here, to be a positive, secure, beautiful haven and home for many thousands of people. and i'm really about the contribution that these talented graduate arts will be making to the prosperity of rwanda and the security of many, many people .

security of many, many people. meanwhile, thousands of people across the country took to the streets to protest against racism . the demonstrations have racism. the demonstrations have partly organised in response the government's illegal migration . government's illegal migration. marches were held in london, glasgow and cardiff this afternoon . one of the afternoon. one of the demonstrators signs read no human being is illegal. donald trump says he expects to be arrested on tuesday and writing on his site truth social , he on his site truth social, he called on his supporters to protest and take the nation back. manhattan district attorney's office likely to bnng attorney's office likely to bring charges against. the former us. president over , an former us. president over, an alleged hush money payment made to the adult film star stormy daniels in the run up to the election in 2016. the former president has no formal president has no formal president has no formal president has ever been criminally and trump has been impeached twice as the attorney's office is corrupt and highly political . and the snp's

highly political. and the snp's chief executive has resigned with immediate effect . it with immediate effect. it follows reports peter murrell, who's also nicola sturgeon's husband, was facing the threat a vote of no confidence following , a row over the party's membership numbers . in membership numbers. in a statement, he said while was no intent to mislead , he accepts intent to mislead, he accepts that that has been the. michael russell will oversee the operation of the snp's headquarters in the interim . tv headquarters in the interim. tv onune headquarters in the interim. tv online and dab plus radio. this is a gb news. now it's back to mark dolan tonight. tatyana my brilliant producer back the day. now she is the brilliant voice of news on mark dolan tonight. brilliant voice of news on mark dolan tonight . she returns at dolan tonight. she returns at 11. welcome to marked tonight a very busy find hour. it might take a ten striking pass port

workers are planning to ruin the great british summer holiday. my reaction at 1020 will have a look at sunday's front pages in. the company of the brilliant journalist ross clarke. we'll get reaction to tomorrow's sunday papers from my right through until 11 as well. royal insider ken wolfe, former bodyguard to princess diana , bodyguard to princess diana, ethnographer, academic and commentator dr. lisa mackenzie and the best selling author and, journalist duncan larcombe . i journalist duncan larcombe. i want hear from you throughout the show. mark@gbnews.uk busy hour to come. let's start with my take. a. ten we're not going on a summer holiday. not for the first time. vindictive cruel unions are to leverage, disruption , human suffering and disruption, human suffering and economic damage to get their way . junior doctors going on strike has seen hundreds of,

. junior doctors going on strike has seen hundreds of , thousands has seen hundreds of, thousands of so—called non—work appointments cancelled. all in the name of a better deal. nurses and ambulance drivers going on strike has sent an already creaking health system to the brink . and don't forget to the brink. and don't forget the cruel timing . the rmt the cruel timing. the rmt industrial action over christmas. even though the leader of said union mick lynch tried to claim that somehow wasn't the christmas period , wasn't the christmas period, thus demonstrating his detachment , reality and thus demonstrating his detachment, reality and his relationship with . the facts. relationship with. the facts. and it's now a passport to hell for thousands of brits as passport office workers threatened to down tools at the busiest time of the year. the spring. that's when people are renewing documents for the summer break. although how you'll be able to tell striking passport workers from the normal ones who have presided over a three month delays without any action is anyone's guess. now i've got no . there is a case to

i've got no. there is a case to be made for passport workers , be made for passport workers, nurses, ambulance drivers, train drivers, you name it, to get a bump in their pay packet . bump in their pay packet. absolutely. britain needs a pay rise and has fallen behind over many years . people across many years. people across multiple sectors , including, of multiple sectors, including, of course, the private sector who never get a look in, are struggling . but these wage struggling. but these wage demands set against a backdrop of eye—watering inflation, a national debt, the size of everest and a budget deficit, that means that every day more goes out than comes in. you can dress it up all you like, but britain is broke. so for your deal britain is broke. so for your deal, absolutely the right to down tools within correct procedures is a sacred and democratic one. it's up there with free speech. but not if you're holding passive workers to ransom in the way that the rmt have . holding patients to rmt have. holding patients to ransom in the way that the nhs workers have and holding holiday

makers to ransom in the way that passport office staff plan to do . we are at the tail end of a three year pandemic in which people weren't even allowed to go to the end of their streets, let alone . and now with even let alone. and now with even those idiots at the who. calling an end to the pandemic, this our first summer of freedom in. we can hop on a plane and see world will likely be cancel out for thousands of brits . this out for thousands of brits. this country needs a holiday and i wish these heartless unions would give all of us a . break would give all of us a. break what's your view marc at gbnews.uk ? i'll get to your gbnews.uk? i'll get to your reaction shortly, but let's get the views now of my fantastic panel the views now of my fantastic panel. i'm delighted to welcome the fantastic former royal insider, now broadcaster and presenter, the wonderful ken wharfe ethnographer , and wharfe ethnographer, and political commentator . dr. lisa

political commentator. dr. lisa mackenzie , bestselling author mackenzie, bestselling author and journalist . the one and only and journalist. the one and only duncan larcombe. duncan let's start with you. look we can debate whether the public sector deserve a pay rise. i think in many cases there's an argument for it. i'm not that happy with . the method, though, particularly depriving brits of their summer holidays . yeah, it their summer holidays. yeah, it does strike me . it's incredibly does strike me. it's incredibly cynical to try and pick the busiest time of year to spring when people are trying to make sure their papers are all in order so they can go on holiday . you know, if you want to strike successfully, i think you do need to take the public with you that public you and it's that public pressure ultimately pressure that ultimately probably get you the pay rises . probably get you the pay rises. you're almost certainly entitled to. so once again, i think this is a news that i think just going to cause chaos around the country and probably in so doing people will not want to support strikers when they may have very good reasons be on strike in the first place. lisa mackenzie the

cause may be a noble one. the method is cruel. april, may the passport office receive . upwards passport office receive. upwards of a quarter of a million applica caissons a so this is deliberate designed to cause disruption and to deprive of families of a break. in many cases , they've been waiting cases, they've been waiting three years for we could look at it like that, but you also look at it as if you were going to go on strike. and remember, the people who are going on strike are losing their pay for those last thing that you do, going on strike is the last thing that you do. you know. you don't do that easily. don't lose. that easily. you don't lose. well, says that well, everyone says that going strike last resort except strike is the last resort except the on strike at the the country is on strike at the moment . doesn't sound like moment. doesn't sound like a last resort to me , but i think last resort to me, but i think one things that's one of the things that's happened is over last, happened and is over the last, don't perhaps even don't know, ten, perhaps even years, is every area of the state controls is in a mess . the state controls is in a mess. the bbc public transit for the nhs

education education in a mess so it's surprising that when cost of living is really squeezing people that they kind of say to the government, if you work the government, you know, come on, we've had enough. you know, sort this out. and i think that if you go strike and no one notices cos then the only people that are going to lose is you, you know, going on strike. i do think that people who work on civil servants , you know, for civil servants, you know, for the last 15 years, i think they've had a lot to put up with. and the government, any one point can negotiate , but one point can negotiate, but they don't seem willing to be to negotiate. i just think this policy is it will impact families who in many cases have been waiting years to travel abroad, possibly to meet family members in far flung locations . members in far flung locations. one. ah, you're probably right, but i think that you know you've already said that had the nurse at the ambulance junior doctors

and don't think it will come as any surprise to the vast majority of people that you know what happens next and you know of there's going to be some inconvenience that that's the whole point of people striking because they want to make the demands on government make sure that they they get what they're asking for . and, you know, asking for. and, you know, that's where we are in country at the moment. you know, there is no pot there that can sort of pay is no pot there that can sort of pay out immediately. you know , pay out immediately. you know, what they're for. and what they're asking for. and effectively what everyone's doing is holding the government to ransom eventually to cave in and give them something back. we've got some agreement already with with with the nurses and the ambulance people as well. but eventually, of course , idea but eventually, of course, idea will be struck with the junior doctors . i dare say they will be doctors. i dare say they will be struck with with the passport office well. but i if you go office as well. but i if you go deep into into issue and realise just exactly the salaries are for you know, it hasn't kept paceit for you know, it hasn't kept pace it with inflation and indeed where the country sits at the moment so it's a problem and

i think the vast majority of people will have sympathy with this. but it it doesn't solve the problems of those, you know , whose holidays perhaps will be, you know, spoilt by their action . but that is sadly very action. but that is sadly very indicative of where we sit at this moment in this country. indicative of where we sit at this moment in this country . and this moment in this country. and here's the thing we saw with the rmt strike over christmas duncan larkham at that time, you know, brits were desperate to meet up with family members over the christmas season . you know, you christmas season. you know, you a brit, you've been a top journalist at the sun newspaper and elsewhere many years. just give me a sense of how important the great british summer holiday to the people of this country . to the people of this country. well, it's of course it's one of the most important things in the years vital that people have a time to themselves and have a break take the family away and to be given news that perhaps it's either going to them having to jump through kinds of hoops just to get the right paperwork

sorted in time. i mean, i personally go on holiday to devon, so in a way i suppose i'm immune from it unless i want to try and go there, train or i need an ambulance when i'm actually there. but now the strikes the strikes are seeping through and it's always the story, it's always the members of the public who have to suffer order to build that momentum for the those that are on strike to actually get what they're demanding. and i, i people see through people see how cynical this is . many, many, many cases this is. many, many, many cases . and here's the thing, lisa. the public sector have got the government by the balls meanwhile, the private sector don't a look in it seems unfair . strikes me as unequal. yeah but i mean there is evidence out there which shows that the pubuc there which shows that the public pay has sort of fallen whereas private sector pay is rising even slightly . yes, but rising even slightly. yes, but but what about the employment of being in the public sector ? it's being in the public sector? it's harder to get fired. it's a for job life in. do you think gold ,

job life in. do you think gold, gold plated pensions, which the private normally don't have. what would say is up? i'd say, you know that's, not the case, especially places like passport offices . they're mostly run by offices. they're mostly run by sort of short term contract people and also a lot of public sector places now use a lot of agency work. so you say you think that's what happens in the pubuc think that's what happens in the public sector, but that's not the case. i work in universities, university all now run with chalk , contact with run with chalk, contact with chalk contracts , 0 hours. and if chalk contracts, 0 hours. and if you think about universities being run that at the passport office, it's same in the nhs, it's the same all public sectors . over the last 15 years i've been definitely run down. it's all towards what we want. do we want a good public sector or we want a good public sector or we want the shambles that we've got and i think the people that work in public sector are trying to highlight that you support the passport office staff and their

proposed industry action. is that a price worth paying for them to get a better deal? let me know. market gbnews.uk will debate that shortly. plus extraordinary stories in tomorrow's papers . that's . there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner,

you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

next welcome back to mark dolan tonight. and we've got tomorrow's papers. abbie, where shall we start . okay, let's go shall we start. okay, let's go to the sun and well, a big story. you'll have heard about it during. the news bulletins , it during. the news bulletins, and they lead with the following . first, rwanda asylum flights. this summer, the home secretary vows to close loopholes on trips to this safe country. this is a special report from stef spiro in rwanda for. the express

suella braverman . is confidence suella braverman. is confidence the first flights carrying migrants from the uk to rwanda will take off by summer. the home secretary today witnessed preparations first hand as the african nation gears up to take in thousands who enter britain in thousands who enter britain in small boats. she said she was confident legal loopholes will be sealed off, bringing a halt to endless courtroom battles over deportation orders . and over deportation orders. and here's a chap that hasn't been in the news for a while. it's gary lineker. do you know gary lineker? he's a former footballer and believes, i believe, presents a show on the bbc about football. grinning lineker walks back into and a row . the sunday times. damage to row. the sunday times. damage to women's trust in police will last generations. chief constable says. in the sunday times , john lewis eyes biggest times, john lewis eyes biggest shake up in its 150 years struggling history institution could end. 100% staff ownership

to raise £2 billion. we'll be discussing that later in the hour with my panel. has britain fallen of love with john lewis ? fallen of love with john lewis? lots of stories to get through there. plenty of material, lots of meat. who better than ? the of meat. who better than? the excellent freelance journalist writes for the telegraph , the writes for the telegraph, the mail, the spectator . writes for the telegraph, the mail, the spectator. he's writes for the telegraph, the mail, the spectator . he's got mail, the spectator. he's got more gigs than i have. it is ross clark. hi, ross . good ross clark. hi, ross. good evening. not a ross. great to have you on the show. well, a very, very important story in the sunday express. first, rwanda asylum flight this summer and many consider the government's rwanda plan, which is to process asylum applications as unworkable and illegal, but to a bra from and the home secretary is committing to this policy and digging her heels in. yes and so the lawyers will be digging their heels in

as well. i mean, the problem the reason these flights haven't got off the ground at the moment is not because of rwanda. it's not because of uk government, it's because of uk government, it's because , you know, the our because, you know, the our policy, the government's policy has been challenged in the under human rights law and that has held up the flight some. the other issue is this complete mismatch, i guess between the numbers of who've been arriving in britain and small boats and the government which says it wants to process them offshore and the numbers appear of people which appear to be involved in the rwanda are in rwanda as i understand it as you know perhaps agree to take a couple of hundred people maybe maybe several hundred some you know many thousands arriving in small boats . britain, you wonder? well boats. britain, you wonder? well you know, what's to happen to them , you know, we can't them them, you know, we can't them all to rwanda some even it

doesn't seem the government doesn't seem the government doesn't seem the government doesn't seem to have an arrangement with rwanda which would enable it to send the full numbers anyway. i mean , suppose numbers anyway. i mean, suppose it's hoping on the idea that the by threatening to send people to rwanda it will stop the boats and therefore there will be fewer people to send there. but there is does minus my big issue. well, what happens if it doesn't stop the boats we do still have them many thousands of people turning up on the shows. what happens then and i don't think the government's release of that. yeah. no i mean for your years of experience, do you that the rwanda policy is politics? is it window dressing or it have substance? do you think ? i'm i think there is think? i'm i think there is quite a lot politics in this , quite a lot politics in this, whether the government really intense suspend many thousands of people to rwanda. i think quite doubtful . there's also the

quite doubtful. there's also the issue it's a very profile policy isn't let's have this offshore processing but i mean the real problems with the asylum system is firstly the speed at which sees asylum claims are made is this glacial speed and huge backlog we have. and secondly , backlog we have. and secondly, is a failure deport people when they have failed to. whether they have failed to. whether they were asylum cases of failed and it seems to me those are the two real big issues not which are really solved by them doing are really solved by them doing a deal with rwanda to send them. yeah migrants. look i think you're absolutely right . we're you're absolutely right. we're not going to be sending tens , not going to be sending tens, thousands of people to rwanda any time soon. but i just wonder whether it's a bit more window shopping. it's a statement of intent, it's messaging from the government that now this prime minister, this home secretary , minister, this home secretary, has a zero tolerance asset used

to illegal immigration in this country. they're going to throw the kitchen sink at it. the is not the silver bullet . it's part not the silver bullet. it's part of a nexus . policies to send of a nexus. policies to send a message to the british people that will stop the boats . well that will stop the boats. well a, the government's been saying that for hasn't we? i mean , you that for hasn't we? i mean, you know, when sajid javid was home secretary, he called it sort of emergency the was going to be all kinds of know priti patel when she was home she came up with the rwanda scheme originally and but so nothing's really worked so far and people still you know large numbers of like some maybe some genuine refugees an awful lot more economic migrants to be attracted to britain and to other european as well of . and other european as well of. and we don't , you know, really have we don't, you know, really have an answer to to what do besides

to try to. but do you not detect, though, an extra level of from this new administrator ? of from this new administrator? lawson rishi sunak it's not a stupid man. he's he's put his name to those five pack those five promises, one of which is stop the boats . and if he's not stop the boats. and if he's not seen to be making progress on this issue by the next election he is toast . so he will want to he is toast. so he will want to deliver to a certain extent . deliver to a certain extent. well yes he office he does need to deliver i mean an awful lot of people in the country are very concerned about the levels of , very concerned about the levels of, migration and the effect on pubuc of, migration and the effect on public services. and i mean that's not unreasonable to him feel that way even if some people maybe exaggerate the numbers on some occasions but erm you know i really don't see in the rwanda scheme itself anything which really changes the fundamental problems i see here, which is firstly the very

slow speed at which these cases are processed and our failure to deport those failed asylum seekers and you know we really need to be speeding on this rwanda scheme is slowing everything down. it's, you know, being dragged the courts and i suppose , you know, if it does suppose, you know, if it does get up and running and, you know, the government doesn't processing them . a case is processing them. a case is offshore in rwanda , then, you offshore in rwanda, then, you know maybe people say, well, the speed doesn't matter so much but some at the moment the home office border agency , they have office border agency, they have this incredibly low rate of productivity when it comes to processing these claims. so it's not always easy, of course, because if have destroyed papers, they come from they you know, claim to come from one country and they probably come from another country. you know, it's very, extremely difficult to sort out who is genuine and

who is not genuine . some, you who is not genuine. some, you know, that seems to me, the key to solving this problem is speeding that process. and rwanda schema, i think, is a bit of a bit of a circus it it whips up a lot feeling it. of a bit of a circus it it whips up a lot feeling it . you know up a lot feeling it. you know there's a story and that's that theyi there's a story and that's that they i think in the telegraph they i think in the telegraph the post so well actually gary lineker has done the government an enormous favour here over the past week because is now virtually nobody in the country who does not know about the migration bill the rwanda plan which you know yeah this is a very fair point ross, because and that might be the that the next election the government's plan might be flawed they're plan might be flawed but they're seen more proactive than seen to be more proactive than perhaps any labour would. but look, this one is going to run and run. ross thank you so much for your wise input. clarke is a journalist at the spectator , the journalist at the spectator, the telegraph, the mail and, elsewhere. great to have you on

the show, ross. next up, more the show, ross. next up, more the sunday papers with full panel reaction. and what a panel panel reaction. and what a panel. don't anywhere .

okay. it's time now for this . it okay. it's time now for this. it is the sunday papers. let's have a look at tomorrow's front pages. where shall we start? let's have a look at the mail on sunday. suella i will send both migrants to rwanda by summer home. secretary brushes off at lineker's stall as she flies to africa to seal the deal poor tation deal . also smiling, tation deal. also smiling, lily's date with dicaprio , pal. lily's date with dicaprio, pal. this is the star, downton abbey, who seems to have got ensconced

with some of the hollywood heartthrobs but the sunday telegraph . next migrants have telegraph. next migrants have flights rwanda by summer. home secretaries with african states aims to shut loopholes that block block removals. also trump predicts arrest and calls protests. bombshell will clear bofis protests. bombshell will clear boris johnson over parties is a story from camilla turner in the sunday telegraph and also thousands of city jobs will go amid to save swiss. sunday mirror is next. refugee taken in by match of the day. host britain should be proud of lineker . britain should be proud of lineker. praise for carey on his return to the bbc as brafman visits rwanda migrant centre , visits rwanda migrant centre, the refugee . taken in by by gary the refugee. taken in by by gary lineker has said brits should be proud of the man for his generosity in accommodating him at this time of need. okay, now

let's a look at the sunday times . damage to women's in police will last generation as chief constable says . also bbc , constable says. also bbc, sharpe's friend got two jobs at the corporation the sunday times are obsessed with this story about the bbc and its chairman brave women's new world who had a in the home secretary visiting housing in rwanda for migrants. also john lewis eyes his biggest in its 150 years. struggling street institution could end 100% staff ownership to raise £2 billion. we'll be discussing john lewis later . have we fallen john lewis later. have we fallen out of with these iconic departments or. out of with these iconic departments or . okay now let's departments or. okay now let's have a look at the sunday express. first, rwanda asylum . express. first, rwanda asylum. this summer, home secretary vows to close loopholes . trip to safe to close loopholes. trip to safe country . the home secretary country. the home secretary today witnessed preparations at first hand as the african of

rwanda gears up to . take in rwanda gears up to. take in thousands who enter britain small boats. she said was confident the legal loopholes will be sealed off, bringing a halt to endless courtroom battles over deportation orders . grinning gary lineker, a grinning gary lineker walks back work and another row . also work and another row. also eamonn holmes on the front page , the sunday express. give your mum a hug from me. star's day. grief. lovely of our own eamonn holmes , with his much loved mum holmes, with his much loved mum . daily star rays are exclusive of losing seven stone turned me into a start muffin football legend neil razor tells today how his seven stone weight loss after gastric surgery has left him with a heart attack more than ever. ken quite shocked. they're not used to that language. all you can. the ex—liverpool star claims his toddler has tripled in size and is enjoying extra time in bed with his wife, leah . when you go with his wife, leah. when you go back of the nets , i think we

back of the nets, i think we might have entered the realms there of too much information . there of too much information. but neil sounds like he's shopped his razor. you're welcome. right i'll stop with the policy. let's get to tomorrow's papers from my fantastic panel of experts. we have royal insider, former bodyguard to , princess diana, bodyguard to, princess diana, now political commentator and broadcaster ken wharfe , broadcaster ken wharfe, ethnographer, academic and commentator , dr. lisa mackenzie commentator, dr. lisa mackenzie mackenzie . she is misgendered mackenzie. she is misgendered for a second. did you . we've for a second. did you. we've also got. yeah, but they showed an of a little a little still of duncan larkin. but let's go to duncan larkin. but let's go to duncan let's be honest is the eye candy of this show. duncan larcombe is bestselling author, former royal editor of the sun newspaper . and i'm delighted to newspaper. and i'm delighted to say a journalist at large, large across country. in fact, we've got a quick plug in for your book. your book is out. what's it called? actually, it's not out until after the coronation. oh, it ? all right. well, you oh, is it? all right. well, you know can i book you for

know what? can i book you for the exclusive interview? of course you can. yes you reveal to reveal the title. it's still a working title. what can be classified would be like the whatsapp messages going to break the it? i'll the internet, isn't it? i'll give a clue. it's not to . give you a clue. it's not to. spare that that would spare oh, yeah. that that would be going straight into the charity shop right . listen, charity shop right. listen, let's, let's go through story of unreal is the only story in town larcombe is rwanda suella braverman send boat migrants to rwanda by the summer migrant flights to rwanda by summer say the sun clearly the messaging from number 10 is they want to get it out there that they are going to stop the boats. your well surprise surprise obviously the home secretary has been over in rwanda surrounded by journalists and this seems to be the line the pledge they pick up on. it's interesting how much political stake there actually placing on this because as we know and as obviously the government know, it's not a as saying, right, we're going to

send people to rwanda, because then you have the legal legal battles , have all the quest battles, have all the quest questions and controversies that surround it. so you want to say leftie lawyers, not you know, language you would use? well fair lawyers and fair working. it's what lawyers do i mean? actually, as you as a young journalist, i spent a lot of time in calais covering this same crisis and that was back in 2000. and when they had sangatte, the big centre there. and you . successive governments and you. successive governments have tried to come up with a solution the rwanda one is still on the table as we know now very much political stay as an election next year . and this is election next year. and this is an issue which the government will have to be able to round to prospective voters and say look what we've done we have tried to solve this problem . yes. ken solve this problem. yes. ken wolf , the last election was won wolf, the last election was won on three words get brexit done . on three words get brexit done. could the next one be won on stop the boats. well, you mentioned that, mark, about get brexit done. i mean part of the

problem here is how are we deaung problem here is how are we dealing with this the transfer of these these people arrive in france you know desperate to get into this country. and, you know , we really my view is we really needed the support of a full european community as part of brexit to actually help us with this problem. but of course we're not getting that. really. do you say that? well do brilliantly. when we were in either well, no, but either did we. well, no, but i do think that not helping do think that it's not helping the case of this country and or indeed the immigrants themselves, migrants, themselves, the migrants, you know, know we're not know, because know we're not working together. there's some movement recently with a sunak visit to meet to meet macron. and so that that's helpful but what worries me is that this it sounds like a good idea practically rwanda's not across the channel in africa it's a long way away we're now coming into a of the spring the summer where we can expect you know these these journeys these migrants to quadruple . yeah. so migrants to quadruple. yeah. so how do we do that ? we know what how do we do that? we know what

happened at manston. we know what happened. all these other sites where have being sites where they have being processed. i you know, i'm aware of just how almost inhumane. some of these places where these people being housed. right. people are being housed. right. and this is not being addressed. so are we saying. well, so are we saying. hey, well, look, rid of them look, we just get rid of them once. rwanda, you know, they are free really sort of sort free really to sort of sort of try again. and people are try again. and these people are desperate, and we're desperate, you know, and we're not can you not dealing with the. can you say they're desperate given say that they're desperate given the think a lot them a lot the i think a lot of them a lot of crossings were from of those crossings were from albanians. warzone. albanians. well, not a warzone. no i agree that. and some would argue that they're coming. france, a safe france, which is a safe destination. but dealing with the albanians, i think, you know that case has been. well well covered and well researched and resolved a degree and resolved to a degree. but i you know, you can't really sort of swallow everybody up in case. everybody else up in that case. i yeah you know, it is i think we. yeah you know, it is a difficult problem, though. all absolutely. some are, but absolutely. some people are, but it's question of the it's a question of the proportion and the by which we accommodate them later . proportion and the by which we accommodate them later. i think the playing russian the government playing russian roulette with this. i don't

think this is a smart move at all constantly in this. you illegal immigration migrants because what i'm i'm sure the government does know i don't know if everyone is aware now that the boats are in every community all over the country in hotels. so hotel policy means that in places mostly industrialised places, mostly the poorest places there are now with migrants and with people them over this winter have got very angry that they've not been you know, they've been struggling to put their heating on and they've seen hotels being taken over by government. so this constant, i suppose , push this constant, i suppose, push that we're going get this dawn and then actually if this doesn't happen and, rwanda can't solve the problems we've got. i mean, there's 45,000 migrants that have come year, as ken says, when into a period where probably more going to come and

keep pushing this. what is going to happen in these communities. you know, where people are quite rightly going to start the hotel policy , the rwanda policy, what policy, the rwanda policy, what is the government going to do indeed rushing through let let some hear the views of some of our listeners and those watching the programme here on on gb news shane says mark stopping boats is simple when these individuals arrive take photo and fingerprints, let know they're not entitled to any uk benefits at all and give them a £5 tent from all angles the same as they got in france. let them with a telephone number. they can ring when they want to be sent home. done, shane. they're not pulling his punches , nikki. mark, as his punches, nikki. mark, as your speaker said, it takes longer because . they destroy longer because. they destroy their documents. it will take longer. if that happens . i live longer. if that happens. i live in ipswich and. do not go into town as several hotels have been closed , so they can house closed, so they can house migrants. i don't feel safe as a 70 year old going into town

because of the groups of men loitering around . i remember loitering around. i remember when radio caroline, which was more outside the three mile limits, and if the ship came british waters, the deejays were arrested. why has this changed? christine mark, how is it that hungary and poland, both countries being in the eu, put up barriers on their borders and refuse to allow refuge to enter? yet the uk being forced to take. and last but not least, alison mark, they can only take a few hundred. in terms of rwanda. well, that's nonsense and propaganda which has been spread . people trying to discredit the policy they've said they can take many as we can send and take as many as we can send and the home staff are not fit for purpose and need replacing. if they won't their jobs, the important point about reading those emails out, duncan, is to understand how high public feelings are running about this at the moment. that's right. i mean, of this is something that thanks to the likes of gary lineker so on it has become an

absolutely front and foremost issue for public. but in reality, i mean, i think as lisa mentioned, i live in kent and i seen this grow the both of the issue of the boats grow it used to just a few dozen people and 45,000 last year 40,000 thousand. and that is to grow and grow and that's on top . and grow and that's on top. well, that's part of net migration of half a million year on year. last year. i mean, the point is that britain's a welcoming and we can have a national about how many we welcome what i think is unacceptable to many the british people is the sight of people crossing the channel illegally on dinghies discard ing their documents. it's just not how the pubuc documents. it's just not how the public want this done. i think the public's view really is i mean let's face it, the border that they're coming from they're coming from france, mainland france, a safe country . and france, a safe country. and until . if ever it was possible, until. if ever it was possible, the only way to deter these people risking lives day in day out on these boat crossings is if the boats simply around take

them back to the destined in france mainland france and say you're not coming by this route, this is not the right route. and that simply as a political hot potato that they have not been able to solve. i mean , inside or able to solve. i mean, inside or outside, is this a heartless conversation ? because, you know, conversation? because, you know, ken just said that earlier that these are desperate. and i pushed back a bit in relation to albanians, but anybody that gets onto one of these perilous vessels to cross the channel, which is the busiest shipping lane, shipping in the world, and i guess by definition they are all desperate. but we mischaracterising those crossing the channel well, i was in my jam in nottingham earlier today, which is a proper of boxing jib , a proper old school, proper old school, liberty gym in nottingham, proper boxing gym. there's albanian guys in the and they said to i told them i was on tonight and they said to me you know can you tell people you know where taxi drivers and

we're not criminals and we came here 15 years ago to work. yeah and interesting perceptive to have their story. and then now make a great contribution. yes. yes the sunday mirror britain should be proud of . lineker says should be proud of. lineker says the man he took . lisa, i'm you the man he took. lisa, i'm you know, i'm not proud of lineker, you know, i don't i didn't like this lineker thing. the other. and that is because his connection with alistair campbell you know you can't you know care about refugees week but forget that you're partner and your friend was part of a government that was a cause for millions of people now and stateless i participated in the illegal war the iraq war. yeah sexed up dossier essentially oversold the notion weapons of mass destruction, which was the terms by which we entered that war. yeah and the consequences has been what, 20 years of turmoil in the whole of that

region. and consequences have been people, you know , moving been people, you know, moving around and also lineker swanning to the world cup in qatar . yeah to the world cup in qatar. yeah by slaves if would if you're going to sort of be voted in the pubuci going to sort of be voted in the public i think you've got to be honest . you know did everyone honest. you know did everyone know last week his connections to alistair campbell? i don't think they did. you go . well, think they did. you go. well, look, there you go. and lots more papers come including a cracking story in the observer. plus, have we fallen of love with john lewis ? a lot more with john lewis? a lot more topics to come . grass as well. topics to come. grass as well. have you got it? we'll discuss that don't go anywhere .

and it's the papers more front page reaction from my all star panel. page reaction from my all star panel . hot off the press. we panel. hot off the press. we have the observer and here's what they're leading with . i'm what they're leading with. i'm just going to load it right now. and here it is, john sutton

makes a last ditch to discredit, probe partygate legal team's attack on the role of sue gray , attack on the role of sue gray, who of course, is about to become labour's chief of staff. claims of honours for evidence at inquiry three. also a wanted man. world leaders back court on putin war crimes charge not i that it will make a huge difference but there you go that is observer with full reaction sunday's papers i'm delighted to have ken wolf lisa mackenzie duncan larkin . but now, folks, duncan larkin. but now, folks, so can we just have a brief word on boris johnson? because he features on the front page of the observer ken johnson makes last ditch bid to discredit probe into partygate meanwhile the sun telegraph which let's be honest is bojo has another headune honest is bojo has another headline in relation to the same story bombshell dossier will clear johnson over parties does

it matter and this country ever be able to move on from boris johnson . no we were just saying johnson. no we were just saying it appears that we can all which is a shame . it appears that we can all which is a shame. i'd like it appears that we can all which is a shame . i'd like to it appears that we can all which is a shame. i'd like to see the end of it. like, i think the vast majority would do. i mean, the sue gray issue is, is being a sort of a torch to him . and i a sort of a torch to him. and i personally, i don't think that'd make any difference at all. i mean, the inquiry he's giving evidence next week . and i think evidence next week. and i think up until that point, evidence next week. and i think up until that point , for my up until that point, for my part, reading the papers, etc. there is overwhelming evidence to his role in party right now in a bite . introducing sue in a bite. introducing sue grant. this will be interesting see how he plays it out but but quite frankly i for me it's it seems to be an over a clear shot case. hey i've been found to be in the past but but you know i think the sooner we get the bojo thing sorted as regard party

great and there's the question of the honours as well but . you of the honours as well but. you know as i just saying to liz just a moment ago, it's repeat itself almost every weekend and i'm getting slightly bored with it. well, i think i think it is time to move on. i've got to say that you undressed , me, boris that you undressed, me, boris johnson, at your peril . now, johnson, at your peril. now, listen, let's get to another story. and it's actually on the front page of the sunday times today. and it's about one of britain's best loved departing stores, john lewis eyes biggest shake up in its 150 year history . yes, indeed . john lewis say . yes, indeed. john lewis say that job cuts could be on the way, having had what it's describing as a very tough year. well, it's an understatement because the firm has reported a loss of £234 million this year, staff bonuses have been axed for the first time since 1953. john lewis is, of course, a national

institution . but have british institution. but have british fallen out of love with this once iconic supermarket ? lisa, i once iconic supermarket? lisa, i mean , it's very sad, actually mean, it's very sad, actually because john lewis is a great employer . you know, everyone who employer. you know, everyone who works there is a partner. what does that mean? what? the partners. it means they do share in the wealth of the essentially co own . yes yeah yeah. and co own. yes yeah yeah. and i think it's always had a great it's always had a you know, it's a great part of british institution. i think this is really sad, but it's unexpected. you know, british are not on the high street . you know, there's high street. you know, there's a of factors covered as not anyone . shopping on the internet. i think it's a sad move, but it's not unexpected. it is the pandemic . not unexpected. it is the pandemic. but not unexpected. it is the pandemic . but have shoppers pandemic. but have shoppers fallen out of love, john lewis? have they gone? have they lost their way a bit, duncan. well, i problem really with this is that john lewis partnership was a yard by which we kind of measured the health of the other other retail sector . and i

measured the health of the other other retail sector. and i think when you start to see like this, you start to think, oh, that's really sick is john lewis . really sick is john lewis. dufing really sick is john lewis. during the credit crunch, the downturn 2010, it was the only supermarket sorry only retailer that actually grew and made money during the last recession. yeah. and of course now it's under competition . waitrose side under competition. waitrose side of the business in huge competition with the cut price supermarkets which is shaking up disruptive brands . it's almost disruptive brands. it's almost as though john lewis has got attacks on all fronts . indeed. i attacks on all fronts. indeed. i mean, it would be a great loss. it john lewis as brits are attached to our national brands marks and spencer john lewis course previously woolworths. yes well there was there was a time when you know john in oxford street , peter jones in oxford street, peter jones in sloane square , you know, ten, sloane square, you know, ten, 15, 20 years ago you'd have to queue , get in the place because queue, get in the place because that's how popular it was. lewis is absolutely right that , you is absolutely right that, you know, shopping changes in shopping the covid in pandemic and internal selling now is

change that completely so? i'm not surprised of this it's a shame really , because i do think shame really, because i do think that there a lot of people that welcome sort of personal shopping, but you know, it's so much easier and cheaper now to shopin much easier and cheaper now to shop in different and that that that's the issue the problem indeedi that's the issue the problem indeed i mean in the end in terms of the high street it's not good news is it. if you lose john lewis because i mean i talk to my team about it today and one of my colleagues, maria, said, actually, who cares about john lewis? there are millions of people don't live near of people who don't live near john actually, think john lewis. actually, i think there's something to make about john lewis. actually, i think tijohn something to make about john lewis. actually, i think tijohn lewisthing to make about john lewis. actually, i think tijohn lewis in ng to make about john lewis. actually, i think tijohn lewis in a| to make about john lewis. actually, i think tijohn lewis in a towniake about john lewis. actually, i think tijohn lewis in a town ore about john lewis. actually, i think tijohn lewis in a town or aabout john lewis. actually, i think tijohn lewis in a town or a city|t a john lewis in a town or a city that you feel you've made it. if there's a john lewis , i think there's a john lewis, i think there's a john lewis, i think there's also it is a yardstick, you know, for treating their employee as well. you know, they've good canteen they've got a good canteen facilities. they've always been known good employer and. i known as a good employer and. i think tonight we've talked lot think tonight we've talked a lot employment awful employment and how awful people's contracts are. i think this is not i think this is very sad, actually . so what is your

sad, actually. so what is your favourite store to roll out? like everyone else i don't shop in. my mum used to take me to john lewis and we'd sit in the place to eat. fifth floor at frank cross and have a scone and a cup of tea. happy days, happy memories. and can you buy telly from a man who'd been selling tellies for five decades? yeah is knowledge? well is that expert knowledge? well that's a very good point, but it doesn't. people tell us today, don't . they're not the size. don't. they're not the size. i mean, if they don't want you straight away, you get another walk away, see? right. well, listen, you didn't chuck away the telly when ken wharfe is on or angie dunk or the wonderful lisa mackenzie. what a brilliant debate. you all three debate. thank you to all three of for coming in. look, it's of you for coming in. look, it's been a brilliant show. i've loved second. thank you been a brilliant show. i've lov your second. thank you been a brilliant show. i've lov your company. 1. thank you been a brilliant show. i've lov your company. we're1k you been a brilliant show. i've lovyour company. we're going to for your company. we're going to do all again tomorrow at nine do it all again tomorrow at nine four dolan tonight with my four mark dolan tonight with my bigger it head, my meets bigger my take it head, my meets guest. and of course the papers and your opinions on email. it's been a wild hours. i'll see you tomorrow at nine. headliners is

there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez with your latest headunes sanchez with your latest headlines from the newsroom some breaking news in the last half an hour, the first asylum seekers could be flown from the uk , rwanda by the summer. that's uk, rwanda by the summer. that's according to a home office source. suella braverman has . source. suella braverman has. there's every possibility government can move quickly on. the matter. she's been touring a new housing development in the country's kigali that will become longer term accommodation refugees. she's warned government could still leave the european court of human rights if it cannot forward with the plan to tackle small boats crisis. now, due to legal challenges since the partnership was announced in april last

yean was announced in april last year, no asylum