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latest news headlines . nana you latest news headlines. nana you and good afternoon. this is the latest from gb newsroom, the home says rwanda is to receive migrants and she hopes to start deportation by the summer. speaking the capital, kigali, suella braverman says the timing depends on legal battles and has indicated the uk could away from the european convention of human rights if it hinders the plan, the agreement with rwanda has been expanded to include all migrants, not just asylum seekers . progress is being migrants, not just asylum seekers. progress is being made rapidly and i'm really confident on the back of the progress that i've seen here, kigali, that we will be able to operationalise this world leading agreement very, very soon. the point here is that there will be a package of quality, humanitarian support

for people who will be relocated to rwanda that combined with our robust new laws , will be able robust new laws, will be able will enable us to break the business model of the people , business model of the people, gangs. business model of the people, gangs . the deal with rwanda has gangs. the deal with rwanda has cost £140 million. which shadow levelling up secretary, lisa nandy says, could have been spent. we think you should take that money? put it into the national crime agency. a cross—border cell that disrupts the criminal and send the clearest possible message to those criminal gangs that their behaviour won't be tolerated . behaviour won't be tolerated. that will bring them to account . they persist instead . we've . they persist instead. we've had more and more of the tough talk from this and last year the boat hit a record high of 45,000 is not working and it's about time the government recognised that. time the government recognised that . leader of the liberal that. leader of the liberal democrats, sir ed davey, says the plan to deport to rwanda isn't viable . suella braverman

isn't viable. suella braverman bill is a yet another expensive and unworkable solution to the problem which is doomed to failure. we've seen a number these from the conservatives before and they just do the right thing and in fact think they're trashing traditional british values . former kwasi british values. former kwasi kwarteng has accepted he and liz truss made mistakes with their mini—budget last autumn , which mini—budget last autumn, which triggered market turmoil in a gb news exclusive interview. he says the chancellor jeremy hunt has done a good job stabilising the economy . i think jeremy the economy. i think jeremy rightly perhaps has adopted cautious approach given what happened last winter and he's also very much, i think, looking at the markets looking at what treasury officials are doing and trying to do it in a methodical way. and that's i think i and got it wrong . boris johnson will got it wrong. boris johnson will pubush got it wrong. boris johnson will publish evidence in his over allegations he misled parliament

on the partygate scandal . allegations he misled parliament on the partygate scandal. he's expected to submit a dossier to the commons privileges committee tomorrow before being questioned . mp on wednesday. the investigation is being chaired . investigation is being chaired. labour's harriet harman , but the labour's harriet harman, but the panel has a conservative majority . cabinet minister majority. cabinet minister oliver dowden believes the former prime minister will provide compelling evidence having worked with boris for many years in capacities. i'm quite sure that he will put forward a very robust of his case when he appears before the committee on wednesday . committee on wednesday. ultimately, this is a procedure the house of commons. it's always been the case in these sort of things. it's up to individual to make up their own mind . so first of all, it will mind. so first of all, it will be for the committee make a determination and if that necessitates it going to the floor house, it would be floor of the house, it would be up individual mp to make up to each individual mp to make up to each individual mp to make up their mind. up to each individual mp to make up their mind . vladimir putin up their mind. vladimir putin has made a surprise visit to the ukrainian city of this, according to russian media. it's

believed to his first visit to a newly occupied ukrainian territory since start of the war. the port city in donetsk was destroyed by one of the most violent sieges. the conflict on saturday, the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for the russian president on charges of . war president on charges of. war crimes. now an emergency alert will be sent mobile users across the uk month to test a new pubuc the uk month to test a new public system . that is what you public system. that is what you can expect to hear on the 23rd of april. a siren will sound and users won't be able to use their mobile phones until they acknowledge it. it's been designed to make people aware of potentially life situations such as floods and wildfires and the has paid tribute to the late on his first mother's day since her death last september. the royal tweeted a picture of charles, a

baby standing on the queen's lap , a picture of the queen consort . her mother was also posted . . her mother was also posted. the prince and princess of wales shared a picture of their children with kate with a message saying happy mother's day from our family to yours. this is gb news. bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to nana akua . back to nana akua. good afternoon. me i'm nana akua this is jb who's on tv online and on digital radio. it's fast approaching minutes after 4:00. well, happy mother's day. i think we can say that for now. no, i only wish i was joking, but in truth, it would appear that there is a sense that some would like to eradicate the word mother for good and through what it means to be a woman. take oxfam who recently created a 92

page inclusivity guide amongst many of the ridiculous suggestions was to avoid the use of the word mother or father. very thing. these are there words that were reported in the daily mail . words that were reported in the daily mail. in words that were reported in the daily mail . in patriarchal daily mail. in patriarchal culture , social norms around culture, social norms around gender result designated roles of parents that reflect expectations of gender. some trans and non—binary people may identify with these roles. however many may prefer to use other to designate parenthood . other to designate parenthood. instead it suggests that using parent or parenthood will a load of claptrap. so me get this straight. two p's are small minority, and that's just few people who are having difficulty coming to terms with the gender stereotype. we must remove perfectly decent language so that some people don't feel left out. the guidance also included avoiding the of the word women until . why? because in their until. why? because in their words, it reaffirms the patron uncle views that women are as

helpless children. neglecting women's actual and potential roles . it also wrongly suggests roles. it also wrongly suggests that are not it are not in need of protection. are and that we're getting to it. and that women have no agency or capacity act. and when i say so , women act. and when i say so, women are as hard as nails , not are as hard as nails, not helpless. and what about poor men ? this has got to be written men? this has got to be written by a man surely. i mean, come on. it's like when you go to a which is clearly been designed by man because their toilets are easy access, but the women are up two flights. although if they still have their way, all toilets be unisex. what a toilets would be unisex. what a nightmare instead using nightmare. instead of using women . children, it suggests women. children, it suggests using women men, girls . and. using women men, girls. and. well, ask free speech union's toby pointed out. it's pretty hard to take this woke virtue signalling from oxfam seriously. given members of its staff were accused sexually exploiting children after the haiti earthquake and that the charity was criticised heavily its handung was criticised heavily its handling of the situation

laughable that it actually has the nerve attempt to take the woke high ground . now there are woke high ground. now there are examples everywhere the evolution of what it means to be a woman and a mother. evolution of what it means to be a woman and a mother . and as if a woman and a mother. and as if penods a woman and a mother. and as if periods and childbirth and menopause weren't enough, we're now having to deal with eradicating the reality that comes with being a woman. another that oxfam guidance suggest avoiding an oxfam aren't alone it feels across board. there are those who would like deny mothers the right to be called that the word woman already being done away with and its place people with or people who menstruate and from the remaining the renaming of mothers to human milk and the rewording of breastfeeding to chest feeding . an assault is chest feeding. an assault is underway on the term woman. another saying this happening to mother. apparently the new term is birth. give us all birthing parents. well today it's more important than ever to show solidarity and enjoy mother's

day. yes like christmas has become super commercial . day. yes like christmas has become super commercial. but take a look at what's happening even there. happy holidays at all. in the name of inclusive city. if we're not careful that her mother will be a thing of . her mother will be a thing of. the so before we get stuck into debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking you support as well as rwanda plan. home secretary, one of the men aims to deport seekers to rwanda by summer. the country said they're to house migrants in the thousands. now that's all dependent on the course of pending legal battles . and during the trip, the un secretary visited one of the homes built to house and complemented the interior. but critics have dubbed her plans cruel and, heartless. what do you think? do you support them? then at 550 as well, i'll be joined by commentator danny armstrong and host of the politics people podcast , paul politics people podcast, paul duddndge politics people podcast, paul duddridge to discuss the top stories from around the globe.

on the menu former president donald said he expects to donald trump said he expects to be arrested on tuesday after authorising payments to an adult film star. stay tuned . find out film star. stay tuned. find out more about that then at o'clock. it's this week's outside . and it's this week's outside. and joining is a very special joining me is a very special actor now. you may have seen him your tv screens for a decade . your tv screens for a decade. most notably he was a household name and got his start in the bbc's the bill was even an bbc's the bill and was even an episode of rosemary and fine. any guesses . well that's coming any guesses. well that's coming up in the next. tell me what you think of everything we're discussing. email gb views at gb news or tweet me at . gb news. news or tweet me at. gb news. right. let's get started. welcome again to my panel author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. well, so what do you think? what you make of all of this and women , mother, now they're women, mother, now they're talking about mother. well, i'd like to say happy mother's day to my mother. we're out

to my mother. we're going out for and she's a beautiful for lunch. and she's a beautiful woman. be, woman. but there will be, because this small minority, because of this small minority, you there will be probably you know, there will be probably half intact half dozen fully intact genitalia, blokes in dresses this morning, opening mother's day to anita . i don't depress me day to anita. i don't depress me any more. it's true, though, there's probably half a dozen fellas i'm not receiving mother's day. half a dozen, probably because of that very small of blokes in dresses. we are having potentially be careful and tread on water and, tiptoe our way around the word mother and. it's not acceptable. my mother and. it's not acceptable. my mum's a woman. she was a side of female body at birth . she's of female body at birth. she's happy and she's sticking it. and yes , what a peculiar to start yes, what a peculiar to start the show. what about you? because is making way for. i can't remember the word you used.i can't remember the word you used. i think you said small minority. it's an infant it has so many many . minority. it's an infant it has so many many. mind you you know you'd need a whatever microscope to see it. we're talking about a

tiny, tiny handful people. and the rest of us are suppose to kowtow towards it. absolute something i can't use before 9:00. rubbish. the problem. and i'm prepared to do it. and oxfam. frankly, i. that's it. i'm never giving to oxfam . it's i'm never giving to oxfam. it's really so . i know there are really so. i know there are plenty of other charities to give to and if they're going to promote this absent ridiculous nonsense, then why? why go and buy that giving? i stop giving to oxfam . after the scandal in to oxfam. after the scandal in 2008 to haiti. i wasn't impressed with the way they handled it. absolutely disgrace. and yet for them to even be creating a 92 page guidance document explain and they did say it's just so it's not that you have to do it but it's a waste of money. it's waste of. waste of money. and the fact that they actually believe they can stand there morally preaching actually preaching on words when actually actions louder. know, actions speak louder. you know, i facetiously said six i was facetiously said about six fellows dresses . we were. fellows in dresses. we were. that quite that was they was that was quite that was they was very facetious because is very facetious because it is a serious subject. but there is so much emotional leverage that appued much emotional leverage that applied companies,

applied to companies, organisations like oxfam, like the bbc, like channel 4, like can buy a tiny supporting minority, mostly vocal on twitter and basically they give an ultimatum either you're with us or , you're against us. now we us or, you're against us. now we would like you to use more inclusive language. well, why do we have to? because we're looking after a small who need protecting, and they think, well, this is ridiculous, but if i if i say no, then i'm to be castigated as some sort turf. what? i'm going to be castigated as a non—inclusive workforce, for example, what's the what's the gay sort of protected lgbt people all all those people. well, whatever the alphabet , well, whatever the alphabet, whatever the body is, whatever the group who looks after the minority , but they have minority, but they have infiltrated. so many organisations across the united kingdom and it's so ridiculous . kingdom and it's so ridiculous. they did sort of have its origins in. stonewall. i know. well, that's it. but now can i

just say now you mentioned that i'll give you some the guidance which is not linking to mother's day, but one of the guidance that was given this document that was given in this document from oxfam was avoid lgb teeth and avoid lgbtq eye and also avoid lgbtq eye x homosexual saying avoid them, you shouldn't use them . you shouldn't use them. homosexuality, gay and lesbian . homosexuality, gay and lesbian. you still don't refer to the whole lgb t q a—plus community. why the reasoning are various versions of this acronym that different letters to represent different letters to represent different groups. it is important to that some people consider the plus to indicate others not so explicitly covered in this document to be insufficient instead use . lgbtq insufficient instead use. lgbtq a plus. i'm the whole thing. it's really i didn't follow that it's really i didn't follow that i didn't follow the absolute use this is that don't use this say thatis this is that don't use this say that is when you actually have to read the letters in order and then you've missed out a letter. and so somebody somewhere must going, this is madness. and so somebody somewhere must going, this is madness . can't we

going, this is madness. can't we just all each other? and that includes mothers and it excludes it includes respecting women . it includes respecting women. we're not cis women. you and we are women. they're called us. i know they do. and how? how not coolis know they do. and how? how not cool is that? i am a biological when i'm not even up to his. so let me just play out. if i wouldn't mind. yeah, let me play. push back a little bit. although i do agree everything you say. they would argue that what they are trying to do is be and they would ask for a of charity from you all you got to do. just let me finish that. yes all you have to do is go along with lgbt, whatever, that nonsense is. they're not asking the world from you. they're just asking adapt and, asking you to maybe adapt and, not how you refer to. so not know how you refer to. so these issues that they're asking, they're asking for that and you give it and then they want that. so what's that? they want? it gets bigger and bigger. what about? come what are you worried about? come on, people. and on, joe. queer people. and then i want eradicate mother i want to eradicate mother wanted it started with lgbt, then it became lgbt plus then it

became t plus q i q, then it became t plus q i q, then it became lgbt plus q. i know is lgbt plus q, i a plus i don't know . i don't it is updated to know. i don't it is updated to say it's an acronym. what's difficult was to say stop, wait to excuse me nothing. well, they won't be difficult . sorry. won't be difficult. sorry. excuse me. so you got to avoid lgbt q i x yeah. excuse me. so you got to avoid lgbt q i x yeah . what's x? i lgbt q i x yeah. what's x? i don't know. instead it's lgbtq i a plus. okay just to be devil's advocate, because i think it's one.the advocate, because i think it's one. the problem with all the praise also you are so blinkered. nobody could know. why should you have ? go on, just why should you have? go on, just tell what you worry about. i've said before i want it because can remember all that list. that's okay. well, to say you one out and you're deemed to be offensive to whatever that group is another so all is expect is intersex a asexual intersex what

i'm the q is for queer. intersex a asexual intersex what i'm the q is for queer . okay, i'm the q is for queer. okay, this is all times. it does not. no, it's no nana akua document. okay, so. okay so they would argue that this is inclusive and the plan of the language actually to include people. what actually to include people. what actually it is, it excludes people, puts them in categories . if you don't fit in a category, they then to create a new becomes sort of a new one. so it becomes sort of a self—fulfilling prophecy, it becomes counterproductive. it doesn't the trojan horse doesn't work. the trojan horse in all this is that if you we in all of this is that if you we all on this it's rubbish but the trojan horse to this is that if you disagree of a sudden you are a phobia that is a monster. your phobia that is what is unacceptable about it all because we have common views on we on it. and on this. we all agree on it. and if we disagree any of that if we disagree with any of that garbage, considered a garbage, you are considered a monster . i know who's monster. i don't know who's making up and adding and making this up and adding up and adding here and it adding extra bits in here and it feels it's coming feels like it's coming from somewhere and then everyone's got to go with it. so all got to go along with it. so all the gender pronouns and per self itself, the literally up itself, the literally made up words have become a list of almost 100. we've, we've all almost 100. and we've, we've all told that that's what it is. but i don't know, told them, i don't

know agreed to it. it's made know who agreed to it. it's made by by the manic extreme is in all those groups that is extremism. and i mean what is intersex please does anybody know if anybody at the moment will let us know . i know if anybody at the moment will let us know. i think it's a mix of both. but we reached out to about 12 people a statement, but they didn't respond, but they have previously said we are proud of using inclusive language. we won't succeed in tackling poverty by excluding marginalised . this guide is not marginalised. this guide is not perspective is intended to help authors communicate with a diverse range of people with which we work. we disappointed that some people have decided misrepresent the advice offered in the guide, which clearly states that should respect the desires of who want to be described as mother or father . described as mother or father. while you're with me not going to quit. this is dvds on tv onune to quit. this is dvds on tv online and on digital radio. after break, it is time for our great british debate hour. and i'm asking, do you supports plan that secretary aims to deport asylum seekers for that only the

summer as a country says it's ready to house migrants in the thousands now that's all dependent , thousands now that's all dependent, of thousands now that's all dependent , of course, thousands now that's all dependent, of course, on pending legal battles and critics that have plans, they've dubbed them as cruel, heartless. cruella is . people are calling her. do you support them and then stay tuned at five it's this week's outside be joined by my very special mystery guest now he was a leading soap star having once won several awards one but only one, right things. it's me who won several awards over the years he's turned his attention to charity work . can anyone to charity work. can anyone guess who this could ? stay tuned guess who this could? stay tuned to find out some of your thoughts as ever. email or tweet me at gb news or tell me what you think. on all the topics we're discussing. got a pull up right now asking that very question. do you support socialist rwanda plan? cast your vote now .

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this is this coming to 24 minutes after 4:00. this gb views on tv online and on digital radio. i'm dan quinn. now, before the break, we'll discuss a mother's day. let's have a look at what you've been saying . cami says, dear nana, saying. cami says, dear nana, what oxfam is doing is raising families . i what oxfam is doing is raising families. i don't think i will go to a shop in oxford, oxfam anymore . exactly. i mean, why anymore. exactly. i mean, why are they doing that ? gwen says are they doing that? gwen says oxfam are stupid with this. what is going to happen when it's valentine's are going valentine's day? are they going to written? well, to say something written? well, exactly. any exactly. it doesn't make any sense, these people over sense, but these people all over the place, it's not even just oxfam. just seems to be a oxfam. it just seems to be a wipe out common sense. but wipe out of common sense. but now is time our great now it is time for our great budget this hour. budget debate this hour. thank you your comments. them you for your comments. them coming i'm asking you do you support as plan support as well as rwanda plan now as well as now home secretary as well as ben has travelled to rwanda to expand the deal between the expand the deal between on the formation asylum seekers. now

she's hoping to get her plans into action by the summer as a rwandan government said that they're ready to take on thousands of migrants from this country and this is of course is dependent on approval from the british courts and you know how the legal system seems to get everything jammed and people always end up coming off planes? well, the home secretary said that being made. that progress was being made. progress made rapidly. progress is being made rapidly. and i'm confident on the back of the progress i've seen here in kigali that we will be able to operationalise this world leading agreement very, very soon. the big point is that there will be a package of high quality humanitarian support for people who will be relocated to rwanda that combined with our robust new laws will be able will enable us to break business model of the people smuggling gangs. model of the people smuggling gangs . well, let's hope they gangs. well, let's hope they also do what the labour said they were going to do as well and have an international sort

of crusade to. stop this thing, right? stay the british government to a £120 government agreed to a £120 million deal with rwanda to send thousands of migrants over 4000 miles away. during her travels , miles away. during her travels, also visited a home that intended to house migrants and described the interior design as a beautiful it's got to be better than the hotel. surely but worried that the but critics are worried that the plans i plans are and impractical. i think more costly than the hotel . they've also voiced concerns that it could criminalise genuine who limited genuine refugees who limited opfions genuine refugees who limited options to seek asylum in the uk without entry on boats. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, do you support one rwanda plan? well, i'm joined in the studio by a former mp, stephen pound and also international and border control expert henry bolton. and i'm going to start you . oh, going to start with you. oh, he's next to me. oh and he's right next to me. oh and i'm going to start with you . i'm going to start with you. well, you never know. i talk to me about this this plan . do you, me about this this plan. do you, in principle agree with it? and what are your thoughts on? it. i am pleased that the government

now seems have found the political to will engage this problem some determination. however i don't think this plan is going to make any impact. i'm sorry, suella braverman, but you know what you're doing is you're making the result of people smuggling more difficult for the people who have been smuggled . people who have been smuggled. it does not in any way and will not impact on the ability of organised criminals who market services to migrants economic migrants across , large swathes migrants across, large swathes of the world. it's not going to stop them making . they don't stop them making. they don't care what happens to most of these migrants once they arrive . the uk is the they've lost interest in them because they're not like any longer getting any money for it. but i think it is sending the right signal. money for it. but i think it is sending the right signal . the sending the right signal. the british government is starting to engage properly. there are some significant gaps, though. one of these is that there no attempt to go after the organised criminals. we talk. i

mean, they've talked about things but i god , i'm going to things but i god, i'm going to bnngin things but i god, i'm going to bring in neil hamilton because he's also going to join us in a minute. i want to bring in i think he might have a different point of view to you. neil hamilton. that's not a stephen. neil looks a lot older. neil you've lost all your hair. neil go out and check the lights, i think. yeah. what was it? look at the life. and then we can. we hear you? so talk to me then, what's your thought on this ? what's your thought on this? well, i think it's a good start. i don't think it's complete answer to the problem. the complete course, complete answer, of course, would to be pick them up in the boats in, the channel, and take them to france. francis has them back to france. francis has said that it's a european decision and the european commission has said it has no interest doing that. so i'm interest in doing that. so i'm afraid that the eu which through its open borders policy has caused this problem in the first place has no desire to play any in the solution to the problem, even it's as big a problem in

france as it in britain. but i do think that the world will get around if? we successfully do. sensible and that if pay the people smugglers five or £10,000 whatever they charge, then you end up wanting to the uk possibly. but in rwanda if that's what you want brit but most of them don't it. so i think that could well be a dagger at the of the people smugglers business. stephen pope it's cruel it's expensive. it's unnecessary and above all it's a distraction from the real problem we are simply not the issue of uncontrolled to this country. look the israelis tried this with around two years ago. they sent 4000 people out. it lasted about 18 months. at the moment, rwanda fighting a proxy war with the democratic republic of congo. it's a war zone and it's all very a suella braverman to there saying, gosh i do to go there saying, gosh i do like your wallpaper. who's your interior designer? so isn't interior designer? so it isn't absolute nonsense what we should be doing. everybody knows . just be doing. everybody knows. just don't it. we should don't dare say it. we should actually people actually be interrogating people , examining them, working out

the structures , some of the structures, some sort of reception as as you reception centre as as you arrive in the uk, you can't drag them back to france. the french won't land the boats? what won't you land the boats? what will has will stephen rishi sunak has come an idea with france come up with an idea with france that the processing that the offshore processing centre in france, i mean, that would be part of it this is would be part of it but this is part the bigger i'm going to part of the bigger i'm going to come back henry on that come back to henry on this that it's bigger picture it's part of the bigger picture that started actually they've that it started actually they've started saying started well which is saying that with his plans and his deal with and then angle, with macron and then this angle, there's just other angle now there's just the other angle now tackling smugglers. tackling the people smugglers. surely a stop. it's tackling the people smugglers. s|good a stop. it's tackling the people smugglers. s|good start, a stop. it's tackling the people smugglers. s|good start, as stop. it's tackling the people smugglers. s|good start, as i stop. it's tackling the people smugglers. s|good start, as i say, top. it's tackling the people smugglers. s|good start, as i say, and it's tackling the people smugglers. s|good start, as i say, and as; a good start, as i say, and as much as it's demonstrating. and i think since it's demonstrating, since clearly that an engagement of that there is an engagement of the government trying solve the government and trying solve this point that this problem. my point that my problem here, that there are many, many elements that need to be brought together in one overarching strategy, if you like , different lines of like, different lines of operation and they need to operate concurrently it's no good well know who good saying well you know who got to plan okay we've got around to plan okay we've got around to plan okay we've got agreement the eu. got an agreement with the eu. we've the we're giving the we've got the we're giving the french some money, all standalone little issues there

needs an overarching needs to be an overarching framework on and that framework on this and that strategy is absolutely lacking help 14 countries to develop such things. the uk does not have it and there is no attempt at the moment to create that overarching cross government unity of effort to achieve clear vision goals in relation to this now. i mean earlier on neil was talking about the european union quite rightly and he called it an open borders policy . well, an open borders policy. well, you know, one of the things is that we've got a problem with is at the moment in north africa, there is a large build up migrants who are economic migrants who are economic migrants in the main who are heading to or preparing to cross them mediterranean come the good weather the summer they are preparing cross to the mediterranean to the southern borders of the european union. now a proposal of those people will end up trying to get to the uk, but we numbers are going to win this but that's rwanda and on and these these ideas that are being at the moment all to deal with here are now issues

the government is going to get ahead of the game. as you know government very very seldom think of georgina think ahead of the georgina maloney very, strong maloney made a very, very strong statement yesterday she statement yesterday when she talked of talked about the number of migrants in lampedusa in migrants landing in lampedusa in southern italy. but look at as regards cooperation on regards global cooperation on the basis, we should the legislative basis, we should be interpol and be working with interpol and europol our europol and obviously our presence european presence outside the european union that but union doesn't help that but look, the real issue here. look, know the real issue here. one of the things that he isn't addressing rishi sunak is the actually utter failure of actually total utter failure of the british office. it is the british home office. it is simply it simply doesn't look , simply it simply doesn't look, he is trying to get a sense of the time. we all spent years trying to get sense of those people. how i'm counting on people. know how i'm counting on you. could we could do you. i could we could all do a better job than that. neil final word stephen as a councillor spare i mean there is no solution if we adopt his attitude now trying to attitude now somebody trying to do the processing do something with the processing at one time. the problem lies in the fact that the european union's are porous and because the schengen agreement inside the schengen agreement inside the european union, once you enter the toe of italy, then you

can get to the channel port so you can get to denmark in the baltic sea and macro wants to repatriate people who've got come in through to france through italy , but the italians through italy, but the italians are not accepting them back . the are not accepting them back. the so—called doubling. we need to engage with our neighbours to protect beyond closing borders to disrupt the flow. can i just ask because just finally i got ask because just finally i got ask simple question answer ask all simple question answer it very i'll with it very quickly i'll start with you neil do you support the wallace plan, yes yes of wallace plan, yes or no? yes of course support it. i don't course i support it. i don't think complete answer, think it's a complete answer, but it's a start. okay, stephen? no, no. and in the golden . i do. no, no. and in the golden. i do. but i'd like to be part an overarching framework strategy. morrison thank you so much for joining me. henry bolton and neil hamilton . stephen fine, neil hamilton. stephen fine, thank you so much. got to talk you.thank thank you so much. got to talk you. thank you so much . well, go you. thank you so much. well, go with me on that. no quid. this is gb views on tv and on digital radio after the break. continue with our great budget debate houn with our great budget debate hour. i'm asking, do you support when does rwanda plan. you'll

hear the thoughts of my panel author broadcaster, author and broadcaster, christine , aussie christine hamilton, aussie broadcaster danny broadcaster and journalist danny . but first, get your . but first, let's get your latest headlines . nana, . but first, let's get your latest headlines. nana, thank very much. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the home secretary's to deport the first migrants to rwanda by the summer, saying the country's clearly ready to start receiving . speaking in kigali suella braverman says the timing depends on pending legal battles legal battles and indicated uk could leave the european convention of human rights if it hinders the plan. the agreement with rwanda has been expanded to include illegal migrants and not asylum seekers . former asylum seekers. former chancellor kwarteng has accepted he and liz truss got their budget wrong. his announcement. to £45 billion in unfunded tax cuts to, stimulate growth instead have triggered the market turmoil and damaged the

economy . in a market turmoil and damaged the economy. in a gb news market turmoil and damaged the economy . in a gb news exclusive economy. in a gb news exclusive interview , he says the interview, he says the chancellor jeremy interview, he says the chancellorjeremy hunt has done chancellor jeremy hunt has done a good job of stabilising the economy . forjohnson a good job of stabilising the economy . for johnson will economy. for johnson will pubush economy. for johnson will publish evidence his defence over allegations he made less. he misled parliament over party gains parliament he's expected to submit a dossier to the commons privileges committee tomorrow before being questioned by mp on wednesday . vladimir by mp on wednesday. vladimir putin has made a surprise visit to the ukrainian city of mariupol. that's according to russian state media. it's believed be his first visit to a newly occupied ukrainian territory since the of the war. the portfolio in donetsk fell last may after being devastated by forces in one of the longest battles of the conflict. the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for the russian president on saturday tv online and the ap plus radio .

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was one the plan now the home secretary is the president is travelled to rwanda she's expanding deal us expanding a deal between us and rwanda deport asylum seekers. rwanda to deport asylum seekers. and she's hoping her plans will be in action the summer. now the government of rwanda is ready to take on of migrants from the uk and this is of course dependent on approval from the british courts as you how difficult that campaign last year the british government agreed to a £120 million deal with rwanda send thousands migrants over 4000 miles away. but far nobody's gone. miles away. but far nobody's gone . critics are worried that gone. critics are worried that the plans are costly , the plans are costly, impractical, although it seems quite keeping people in hotels for some of them, they've also voiced concern that it would criminalise genuine refugees who have limited to seek asylum in this country without entry on small boats. for the great british debate this hour i'm asking do you support her plan? well, let's see what my panel make of that i'm joined by author and broadcaster christine, a broadcaster and journalist kelly. journalist danny kelly. and let's start you, danny let's start with you, danny kelly. do support kelly. sue ellis plan do support it. i do support it. and the

reason being is that if we don't do something, this is just going to continue and i can't see it stopping . and i think we also stopping. and i think we also need to reflect that the people who vocal against, you know, who are vocal against, you know, lots of liberal, very wealthy people who generally live in white enclaves, who are not affected by immigration, affected by mass immigration, they like gary lineker, like gary lineker, like taken to it. but yeah like gary lineker, like other wealthy people, the common denominator with the people who are vocal against this plan is probably wealth. the fact that they're by mass they're not touched by mass immigration , and city immigration, town and city centres , the country are centres, the country are changing culturally . you know, changing culturally. you know, there are areas now of liverpool that no have scousers that no longer have scousers living them. they refugees living them. they have refugees and asylum seekers. over the last ten or 15 years. so that area, liverpool is no longer scouse . it's whatever you want scouse. it's whatever you want to call it, middle and it's african, whatever. and unless this works for me, unless this plan works for me, unless this plan works for me, unless this plan works are going to see this plan works are going to see this continue year after year after year, the critics i would like to say to the critics, listen these are mostly young

men . you know, you're right. men. you know, you're right. mostly generally speaking, the young and they've paid some young men and they've paid some five, six, £7,000 to get across the channel now, you could argue that they're obviously desperate what they're is worse . what they're fleeing is worse. the potential of this hazard across , the channel, across, the english channel, we'll trudge whenever anyone dies . it's the odds of dying we'll trudge whenever anyone dies. it's the odds of dying in the channel and. these people know it. probably about 10000 to 1, because, say four or five or six deaths this year or last that we know of. there might be many but there are many more, sure. but there are 40 and all that know of only 40 and all that we know of only 40,000 more women. so the odds are 10000 to 1 that you're going to lose your life and their odds well worth taken. well, look, some say some people might say that actually this is evolution in terms of change of terms of the change of demographic to an area that was once becomes that, once this then becomes that, i mean, a natural mean, it's just a natural progression. there's also progression. and there's also well, people might that well, some people might say that and there's the argument and there's also the argument that actually, we part of the human convention, the convention human convention, the convention human and that the human rights and that the numbers really that a lot numbers really that big. a lot of people saying that of people saying it's not that really the scheme of

really in the grand scheme of things 40,000 people or maybe that's just say for that's double it just say for argument's sake, 80,000 people coming a year isn't actually that unique to the actual that big, unique to the actual legal migration that we're currently that's currently going. well that's that's year on year on year on yeah that's year on year on year on year. we, you know, we're year. and we, you know, we're adding millions to population and they have and those people they have families, they have children. so is it's not to just say it's only 40,000 people. it's only 80,000. it's the ongoing effect of all that and i accept that the rand, the rwanda plan is not perfect and i don't expect suella braverman actually thinks it's perfect. but if it's not that else and anybody who is genuinely seeking asylum , they genuinely seeking asylum, they will be only too pleased . go to will be only too pleased. go to rwanda if what they are is worse and if it isn't worse, then why are they fleeing? so it should sort the wheat from the chaff. should out the genuine asylum seekers from the non—genuine. i like to be compassionate though, and allow who have family members already and they could have come over illegally. but

they've settled and maybe they blocked their way through the immigration and or whatever because people are coached in how to pass these. they are of course, they i would be sympathetic to that. so if you can for example, can prove that, for example, your over here or or your mother's over here or or your mother's over here or or your children over here, your children are over here, i think that would be compassionate. wouldn't say send them rwanda. that's my them to rwanda. but that's my only i think. now only caveat to i think. now let's pick a let's not forget is a that's it is that's a deterrent. that's it is that's what it's not it's not the idea this is a deterrent. did you see this is a deterrent. did you see this is a deterrent. did you see this is of some of the places that were there the house that she when pointed out was she saw when pointed out was actually nice. it was actually quite nice. it was nice. it was probably like a show they're all civil show house. they're all civil servants, civil servants would also live in these courses as well. so built lot of well. so they built lot of houses and yeah, it was houses there. and yeah, it was the show house, it's got to the show house, but it's got to be better than being in a hotel room and, you know, living like that. they're offering is an that. so they're offering is an opportunity to actually start a life somewhere that is it's better to safe these people better to be safe these people want and it should it's to be a deterrent that is a point of rwanda. it isn't is be a deterrent. it's not supposed to

deterrent. it's not supposed to deter asylum because deter the genuine asylum because they they they are entitled to be. people aren't just to be taken out of the boats and onto a plane to rwanda. they will some system for weeding out the genuine people. it's the non—genuine all the people who are suspected to be non—genuine who are going to go to rwanda and they their case and they have their case properly there, but also properly heard there, but also i find it slightly disingenuous that are that the conservatives are saying that what trying do is saying that what trying to do is save lives by, deterring people to cross the in a generous well they all know i know but i think that's not that far motive probably motive in my view is not save lives. it's to stop not to save lives. it's to stop the whole lot. of course it is, because that becomes part and parcel thing, parcel if you stop the thing, then save lives. and also, then you save lives. and also, it's not the people who it's not just the people who don't crossing the channel, don't die crossing the channel, it's that end up a it's the fact that they end up a lot them in the back market lot of them in the back market with criminal gangs end up potentially in slavery potentially in human slavery and all aspects of it as all the other aspects of it as well. black market well. the black market of smuggling all things smuggling and all the things that that, it's a that come alongside that, it's a bigger and i think it bigger picture and i think it would say. but just finally, let

me counter that for a second. i think if they were honest and said, about stopping said, look, it's about stopping mass immigrants, they mass illegal immigrants, they have i don't think have said that. i don't think they're say. think they're trying to say. i think they're trying to say. i think they think. well i just they have. i think. well i just don't think the saving don't think that the saving lives channel is lives across the channel is sincere. but even if it is, doesn't matter, it is the same results. similarly towns results. yes. similarly towns what all on the what they keep all boats on the press top of their press press at the top of their press every day want to save every day is we want to save lives. the top of the press release should we want to release should be we want to stop mass illegal needless the same it's same thing. same thing. it's the same thing. stop illegal migration same thing. it's the same thing. stopsave illegal migration same thing. it's the same thing. stopsave lives illegal migration same thing. it's the same thing. stopsave lives ategal migration same thing. it's the same thing. stopsave lives at the migration same thing. it's the same thing. stopsave lives at the sameition same thing. it's the same thing. stopsave lives at the same time. and save lives at the same time. it is what they need to get a grip of is that the people who have lost their appeals to stay? 9% of them never, never leave again. lost appeal. again. they have lost appeal. they're supposed to be deported and they've just and they're not they've just disappear into the aether and also the will be a big also the 31% will be a big amount who been coached in amount who have been coached in order say because i have order what to say because i have yeah this story is nothing yeah well this story is nothing without let's without and your views let's welcome our great british voices your opportunity be on your opportunity to be on the show. think show. tell us what you think about topics by discussing. about the topics by discussing. let's over grimsby. should let's go over to grimsby. should we let's have a we get grimsby? let's have a chat alan mcneely. let's chat with alan mcneely. let's

see what alan. alan, do you support surveillance? well, plan . hello. our ally? yes today is part of the overall package. it could be a good deterrent. the idea that they can only take 50, i think is a bit of a myth because that's an hour processing centre. if i processed 250 a month for 250 every six weeks, then they can another 250. so there's a potential deport thousands, not just a small quantity of people but i don't see that they've got opfion but i don't see that they've got option because where are we going to put them if they stay there . they're working for those there. they're working for those people as it is now. so they've got to go somewhere . and if got to go somewhere. and if they're genuine asylum seekers , they're genuine asylum seekers, then a place of safety . if i was then a place of safety. if i was coming from a war torn country and i got into europe, i'd be wanting to pay them asylum in the first. if i could get that, i wouldn't be paying people thousands of pounds to come across channel. and we all know

most of our a large majority of these people would certainly appear to be economic migrants or probably heading off to black market and some kind of criminal . yeah, 100. yeah with you as well. i'm nearly there in grimsby perfectly makes perfect to me and i think one of the points that henry bolton made as well is the failure of the home as well for processing. thank you so much. alan, you take care and lovely to to, right? and lovely to talk to, right? what just doing? what have what is he just doing? what have you gb news on tv you been? this is gb news on tv onune you been? this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm not quit after the break. it's time for world yesterday former president claimed president donald trump claimed that be arrested on that he could be arrested on tuesday over hush money. money hush money. i'm thinking of hush money, money payments made to an aduu money, money payments made to an adult film star. you'll hear the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge, discussing and more. don't go anywhere .

good afternoon . this is a gb good afternoon. this is a gb news on tv online digital ready to get as well. you can download the gb news app for free. i'm nana akua. it's time for world view and russian president vladimir putin made an unexpected visit to mariupol , a unexpected visit to mariupol, a port city heavily impacted the war in ukraine's donbas region . war in ukraine's donbas region. and this comes after the international court issued an arrest warrant for over war crimes in ukraine. joining me in the studio to talk this is political commentator and moscow expert danny armstrong. yes. so putin and international arrest warrant. he doesn't care, does he? absolutely not. absolutely not some people in russia still waiting for the hague to issue an arrest warrant for tony blair and george bush. that's their right. but i mean, russia and the russian side have come out and said maria zakharova, who is the spokesperson for the the spokesperson and for the foreign has come out foreign minister, has come out

and said, we don't adhere to the rome which is what icc rome statute, which is what icc was based on with a not a secret signature. the signature. neither is the us, even biden has said even though joe biden has said that this is good news and vladimir putin will have to answer for crimes. it vladimir putin will have to answer for crimes . it does answer for his crimes. it does mean vladimir putin won't mean that vladimir putin won't be able to go to the 123 signatories of the rome statute . but that doesn't include iran, china india, central asia and turkey which are, of course, his allies and who he's up those trade deals with. so yeah, and of course, zijin ping, the chinese leader will be going to moscow next week. so we'll the fallout from that but vladimir putin absolutely doesn't really give very much of a something i can't say on this show what is out here that's still after tony blair. all but what about putin actually this time now you've pulled out. they literally flatten place . and that was flatten that place. and that was you was massacre. you know that was massacre. i mean, not not like the rest of this but that really was this isn't, but that really was a tragedy. it was a travesty. the whole thing's tragic. but that really was was that really was that was a worrying thing. and those people still living on the ground

apparently as well. yes. apparently as well. well, yes. i mean, was much mean, mariupol was pretty much flattened. a ghost town in flattened. so a ghost town in the a of people the fighting, a lot of people thought was a show defying thought this was a show defying from putin the face, from vladimir putin in the face, the warrant. what it the icc arrest warrant. what it actually is just showing the actually is, is just showing the people that the russian speakers , ones that actually are , the ones that actually are ethnically and want to be part of those people do exist of russia, those people do exist in those regions that this is your we are coming to the world to basically show that what is called in russian speaking asylum, which is one of the pretext of the war, which is a by russian constitution. the russian leader is obliged to look after anybody who is russian speaking an ethnically russian speaking an ethnically russian anywhere in the world. so that's what he was rather than a of defiance. he visited some places that have been rebuilt for the residents. and, of course, as we saw before you came to me, vladimir putin was residents who said, this is our little piece of heaven. now, what do you think those people have planted there or not? i mean, they were planted looks family. looks very good for family. oh, looks very good for . the state and of course,

. the state media and of course, these come these reports have come from state so does raise state media. so it does raise the question were these people put were they not? the put there? were they not? the fact of the matter is there are people want to people who actually do want to be of russia. vladimir be part of russia. vladimir putin with those putin was meeting with those people he is people just to show that he is still leader of people all still the leader of people all over the world. so he's a literally going to stake his territory. that's like a cat sort territory, sort of staking territory, saying this belongs to us. saying this, this belongs to us. russia it the same with russia and it was the same with crimea, on friday to crimea, of course on friday to mark the anniversary of mark the ninth anniversary of the crimea. it was the annexation of crimea. it was just that, you know, just to show that, you know, i am leader , russia. i am the am the leader, russia. i am the leader of the russian people. and russia will look after own people. generally, people. and generally, how is the terms of what the war going in terms of what the war going in terms of what the believe on the ground the people believe on the ground in russia? what do they what is the general consensus, in your view? have lot of support view? we have a lot of support for vladimir putin that comes a great number of people in russia who believe he can return russia to its ravaged and respected status of the soviet union. that's vladimir putin would garner most of his support. what we're seeing at the moment is a

lot of these people around about my generation. remember my age, you have access to social media now access to other outlets . you now access to other outlets. you kind have a different kind of have a different opinion. those maybe around opinion. but those maybe around about 35 plus 40 strongly about 35 plus 40 are strongly for putin. but i think everybody wants to see this wrapped up. and no more fighting, no more bodies in this war. well danielle, thank you very much. armstrong is a political commentator. let's travel commentator. well let's travel over to america now and. head over to america now and. head over the host of the politics over to the host of the politics people podcast, paul gutteridge .paul people podcast, paul gutteridge . paul, another president or whatever, being arrested . trump whatever, being arrested. trump he's apparently going to be on tuesday. he's told everybody on social it's tuesday. trump tuesday, on tuesday on mother's day, by the way. yes. thank he's announced that he's going to be arrested tuesday. we i think we broke this story last week. yeah we would like queuing this up. nobody was covering it. but yes . so now it's actually coming to pass and i don't think anybody is happy than trump. it's hilarious that the i tell you, my impeccable sources once again have told me that it's only

alvin bragged in the he's the new york city manhattan district attorney who is leading this indictment, this call for indictment, this call for indictment and pressing charges indictment and pressing charges in his office, apparently , like in his office, apparently, like 60% of the office are totally against it. they know it's doomed to they know it's doomed to embarrassment . and that's it. to embarrassment. and that's it. most of them are liberals. they're kind of going, no, this is his island says if he's arrested, it's to be a landslide. so he's going to, you know, run a third time and win at the time, obviously well, why why will he win? i mean, what what what does it give trump when people. because they're going to arrest him. will going to arrest him. why will trump as a hero ? because trump be seen as a hero? because this really this was anything this really this was anything this was starts off as a filing of a this is a company misdemeanour would be filing incorrect taxes this should not be a criminal charge it is so giving the if you sounded like a conspiracy theorist over the last two years that the state is acting against donald trump or acting against donald trump or

acting against donald trump or acting against anybody with a conservative voice , this is it conservative voice, this is it pretty much writ large . i mean, pretty much writ large. i mean, there are people in the district attorney's office and this will come out over the next few months. i'm sure that a really worried the abuse power worried about the abuse of power that's done their name that's being done their name this the state acting in this is the state acting in a way is unconventional against former president of the united current in my opinion but the this is this is an abuse of power by everybody that is on the conservative shall we say so this is only going to drive his support. i mean the reality is this desantis is the one that's going to suffer from this. trump is already 41 points ahead of him and is only going to make trump only game in town . a lot trump only game in town. a lot of the rhino republican , a lot of the rhino republican, a lot of the rhino republican, a lot of the rhino republican, a lot of the so—called moderate republicans are rubbing their handsin republicans are rubbing their hands in glee at this point because they think this is an this is really as well coming from a lot of people on the republican side wanting to oust him before the next election, before he gets a chance to run.

but he can run even . if he was but he can run even. if he was found guilty, the trial wouldn't for be year. even if he was found waste of time it found guilty. waste of time it will run he could still will run and he could still serve now briefly about serve now briefly got about a minute joe minute left. what about joe biden against putin. biden spoke out against putin. he he spoke out against putin. yeah. and unpopular decision at this obviously but now he's he's not afraid to be controversial . not afraid to be controversial. he has said that he agrees with the icc, the international criminal court issuing an arrest warrant putin and then he goes on to point out, of course, we're not to the international criminal court because america won't sign up to the international criminal court because they're afraid, obviously, all over obviously, of soldiers all over the world prosecuted for the world being prosecuted for war crimes. so, yes , joe biden war crimes. so, yes, joe biden has come out fervently in support of a court to which he will not sign up. it's the thing, if you think got meltdown over there, we have so many kind of allies. you got joe biden's. paul lovely to talk to us. yeah

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migrants as she hopes start deportation flights the summer. speaking in kigali, suella braverman says the timing depends on pending legal and has indicated the uk could move away from . the european convention on from. the european convention on human rights if it hinders the plan. agreement with rwanda has been expanded to include all illegal migrants , not just illegal migrants, not just asylum seekers . progress is asylum seekers. progress is being made rapidly and i'm really confident on the back of the progress that i've seen here in kigali that we will be able to operationalise this world leading very, very . the big leading very, very. the big point is that there will be a package of high quality humanitarian for people will be relocated to rwanda . that relocated to rwanda. that combined with our robust new laws , will be able will enable laws, will be able will enable us to break the business model of the people smuggling gangs. the deal with rwanda . cost £240

the deal with rwanda. cost £240 million, which shadow up secretary lisa nandy says could have been better spent . we think have been better spent. we think you should take money, put it into the national crime agency, create a cross—border so that disrupts the criminal gangs and send the clearest possible message to those criminal gangs that. message to those criminal gangs that . their behaviour won't be that. their behaviour won't be tolerated and that bring them to account should . they persist. account should. they persist. instead, we've had more and more of the tough talk from this government. and last year the boat crossings hit a record high of 45,000 is not working. and it's about time government recognised that. leader of the lib—dems sir ed davey says the plan deport migrants to rwanda isn't viable . suella braverman isn't viable. suella braverman bill is a yet another expensive and unworkable solution to the problem which is doomed to failure. seen a number of these from the conservatives before and they just don't do the thing. and in fact i think they're trash ing traditional british values as former

chancellor kwasi kwarteng accepted. he and liz made mistakes with their mini—budget last autumn, which triggered market in a gb news exclusive . market in a gb news exclusive. he says the chancellor, jeremy hunt has done a good job of stabilise the economy . i think stabilise the economy. i think jeremy rightly perhaps has adopted a cautious given what happened last winter and he's also very much think looking at the markets , at what treasury the markets, at what treasury officials are doing and trying to do it in a methodical and that's where i think i and liz got it wrong . boris johnson will got it wrong. boris johnson will pubush got it wrong. boris johnson will publish evidence in his defence over allegations he misled parliament on party gains. he's expected to submit dossier to the commons privileges tomorrow before being questioned meps on wednesday. the is being chaired by labour's harriet harman, but the panel , a conservative the panel, a conservative majority . cabinet minister majority. cabinet minister oliver dowden the former prime

minister, will provide compelling evidence having worked with boris for years in different capacities. i'm quite sure that he will put forward a very defence of his case when he appears before the committee on wednesday. ultimately this is a procedure of the house of commons. it's always been the case in these sort of it's up to individual members to make up their own mind. so first of all, it will be for the committee, make a determination and if that necessitates it going to the floor will be floor of the house, it will be up individual mp to make up to each individual mp to make up to each individual mp to make up mind mind . vladimir up their mind mind. vladimir putin has made a surprise to the ukrainian city of according to russian media, is believed be his first visit to a newly ukrainian territory . the start ukrainian territory. the start of the war. the port city in donetsk was destroyed by one of the most violent sieges of conflict. on saturday, the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for the russian president on charges of war crimes, an emergency will be

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akua. for good sunday. and this is gb news tv online and on digital on nana akua over the next, me and my panel will be taking some of the big topics, hitting the headunes the big topics, hitting the headlines now. this show is all opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating at times. we will disagree , but no one will be disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton. also and journalist danny kelly. still to come, each sunday at five, i'm joined by celebrity former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take. look at life after the job. we talk highs and lows and lessons learned comes next on learned and. what comes next on the and today i'm the outside? and today i'm joined a very guest. joined by a very special guest. now former coronation now this former coronation street star is proud , their street star is proud, their irish heritage. even good friends with former with line of

duty star adrian dunbar. he often throws himself into charity work . and the idea is, charity work. and the idea is, can you guess who might be with us in just a couple of minus time then for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking. could labour's transplants please ? now, according to please undo? now, according to reports, senior figures within the labour party have called upon sir keir starmer to clarify the party's position on transgender issues . that is, of transgender issues. that is, of course, order increase course, in order to increase chances of getting the keys to number 10. but if they fail to define their stance, like not being able to say a being able to say whether a woman has a penis or not could they fall into same trap as the campaign? emma with your thoughts. gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. so now it tweet me at. gb news. so now it is for outside. now my guest is a very well known figure in the entertainment industry. having established a successful career in film and television over the past few decades with a

commanding presence and a gift for bringing complex to life. he's won a number of awards. his most notable role , that of jim most notable role, that of jim macdonald in coronation street. i want love that said and beyond work on screen he is now in phase philanthropic efforts and commitment to giving back to his community. through his charitable work, he's made it a priority to use his platform for good, inspiring others to do the same. if you've managed to guess who it. yeah it's a cool feature . lawson charlie malone thank you for having me on. it's such a pleasure to have you here. i don't know. you find those photographs, you. are you girls good at it? yeah charlie, look, i was an addict to coronation street. i loved you. and technology . yes. why? yeah, he's technology. yes. why? yeah, he's . talk to me about your upbringing. what that like when you were born in enniskillen? i was born enniskillen. and as many of you will or will not know, the education system in northern ireland is very public school religious orientated.

there are a lot boarding schools and always have been, as there are downsides . and indeed in are downsides. and indeed in scotland it doesn't make like eton. it'sjust scotland it doesn't make like eton. it's just the way they are. so at the age of six and a half, ridiculously young, i was packed off to boarding school in belfast and there i remained through the seventies and through the seventies and through the seventies and through the bad old times. and so , yeah. and so that sort of so, yeah. and so that sort of coloured your entire life. and indeed the dunbar would tell you the same thing. eddie and i are friends of 42 years from , if you friends of 42 years from, if you like, polar opposites , but we've like, polar opposites, but we've never had cross word of that which says something i always think. but so we, we grew up through all that and it was difficult times. i mean, we're looking at the anniversary today . a lot of people familiar there was many of horrible incidents. but today was the day when the two corporals were dragged out of the car and murdered up west belfast. so we have

anniversaries every day . yeah. anniversaries every day. yeah. and we've moved on. so yeah, that was my period of up. so one was pretty politically aware from the age of sort of 70. everybody to and watched the news and northern ireland because it our lives and it didn't justify you know i grew up sort of if you like unionists loyalist background middle class i find myself and my moving towards the working class beliefs whatever. there a degree of snobbery with unionism which i didn't go with. so one was politically aware from very early on and actually one of the positive things come out a lot nana is, is the fact that you care about politics which which i do that that is that is interesting that actually the take on it is that you get

involved in what is around you and you feel compassion and possibly quite well you're quite nationalistic towards northern ireland. did you feel passionate . i mean, no, i mean, i was i grew up i mean, i did not meet a roman catholic till i was 20 years of age or 20 or 20 years of age. no, that is nothing new. you if you grew up as a protestant or , a catholic, i protestant or, a catholic, i mean, eamonn holmes, eamonn and i laugh about this because i often laugh about this because eamonn have met, eamonn and would never have met, you no chance just you know, was no chance just that's way circumstances where you grew up in an area there it was catholic there it was protestant and never the twain met. no that's a that's terrible thing when you think about it but that's just the way it was so i grew up red white and blue and many and adrian 80, bless him, he grew up the other way, although he was from a mixed marriage, a protestant catholic marriage, a protestant catholic marriage, which was very rare so we were . when we look back on it we were. when we look back on it now, we were so politically

aware. wow. yeah. that and that . i cut myself lucky for a lot was i did you from there and move and get yourself involved in acting . well i went from the in acting. well i went from the left out of the frying pan into the fire because . my mother the fire because. my mother moved us when i started to get involved with various nefarious characters, if you like, from the loyalist side of things. we to scotland or i leapt immediately into the same thing multiplied by ten got myself trouble wised up and then had a penod trouble wised up and then had a period of short period time where i wanted to join the forces because all my family, mother, father , uncles, all are mother, father, uncles, all are all served in the war and a teacher from got in touch had heard that i wanted to join the british army or the marines and he said, you've got to go to drama school because at school i was a boy and made to join the dramatics society or get out and me are basically and i was quite

good at it. so and none of the honest to god, he sent me the train tickets. i went to london, auditioned for drama schools got into to went guildhall and the rest is history. it's amazing, isn't it? what was your first role then? your first big role? i did one of the things about the early 1980s was we were still knocking the hell out of each other back home, but people were starting to write television was to deal with issues from northern ireland. it was good drama. so play today was good drama. so play today was starting to do lots a series which none of you well you might remember but plays for the day play remember but plays for the day play of the monsoon, what have you and they started writing screenplays tv plays and so i started early on 1980 one, 82 doing that sort of stuff, i suppose, the first famous one i was in was harry's game , which was in was harry's game, which was in was harry's game, which was the first sort of blockbuster, two or 3 hours oven blockbuster, two or 3 hours

over, three nights on. and after that , well , i over, three nights on. and after that, well, i joined the over, three nights on. and after that, well , i joined the royal that, well, i joined the royal shakespeare company in 83 and then just went bosh , mike leigh then just went bosh, mike leigh and eddie for movies. then onwards and upwards was very lucky. and of 1987, correct for me. and i was at the national and i was very po faced . the and i was very po faced. the whole thing is oh god yes i was. he approached you for gig. yeah, but i mean i was. no i was at the national darling. i mean, yes, i'm an actor back then. they told you how much would they. no, no, i said no . and they. no, no, i said no. and then they finally came back in 1989 and i'd just offered a full time role in the bill was well, the following week offered me a part . barry the following week offered me a part. barry said the money's better up and so that was it. 1989 was my first appearance and curry and i left and to soissons and i've been back, i believe , and i've been back, i believe, the most revisited character

played by the same actor in british history. it's quite an which is nine times i get that i was at the coronation street i really what do you. oh yeah yeah i watch it religiously and when had you do the opening of a slice of what started thought these so i'm actually can't believe you're there believe that you're there i think macdonald know think it did macdonald you know i really by at my you know the writers created i helped and we created a great character and i'm very proud of them and of course you work alongside beverley canada do is incredibly wonderful beverley the most wonderful beverley who the most patient actress in the world just because she had put up with me morning know me every morning you know i didn't go to bed an awful lot didn't go to bed an awful lot did you know. oh no i'd never let you down for that because you've your character was quite quite strong. yeah quite a dramatic strong. yeah quite a dramatic strong. yeah quite an aggressive character in coronation well, was coronation street. well, he was an ex—soldier and he didn't suffer fools gladly . and, you suffer fools gladly. and, you know, a man's a man a lot. suffer fools gladly. and, you know, a man's a man a lot . and i know, a man's a man a lot. and i think he was very popular

because , you know, there weren't because, you know, there weren't i mean, corrie's a woman show. yeah has been so to have a stand sort of man within i mean there were a couple but not many so you know i'm very of them and i was saying i'd say to christine people always ask me are you going and i talked to ian once a year and i said, well, the trouble is no, i where would you put him? and i think i know i think, you know, probably i mean, but given topics that that long running drama serials cover , long running drama serials cover i , , long running drama serials cover , i, you know , somebody raised , i, you know, somebody raised the subject of whatever with jim mcdonald. i don't think he would i don't think he'd any of us not having any work there that don't think he would fit in any more. no, i with as long as he's alive. you never know. i mean i welcome you going back and start watching it again . what would watching it again. what would you say is your biggest role you say is your the biggest role that you feel or the thing that you feel or the best thing that you feel or the best thing that you feel or the best thing that you you've in that you think you've done in terms getting most proud

terms of getting the most proud moment? definitely loved moment? well, i definitely loved the west end when i did art. it was a three hander at wyndham's dunng was a three hander at wyndham's during , the road and it was the during, the road and it was the change. the cast . three months change. the cast. three months paid us a lot of money and looked after. so i love doing art with jemmy, garrison, gary kemp and. then iain rankin approached me and thousand and in 19 and asked me to play rebus in 19 and asked me to play rebus in the world premiere of the first play that he'd written about john rebus. and i was asked to the inspector and i did. it was hundred eight pages and i was in 100 and i managed to have a tia and two months in, which was a bit of a shock, but took a couple of shows off and finished it. very proud of that. but there's nothing, none of that. i'm regret doing think all of them have been good. i've got a busy old life in the theatre

and tv, so they're all pretty good. of course i did the famous the football hooligan one, the firm . yeah, a lot things i'm of. firm. yeah, a lot things i'm of. you haven't stopped working actually is very impressive especially given the nature of being an actor that can be apart from the last couple years which has become very so you probably don't do it for the network. would you behave yourself . would you behave yourself. there'll be lots , darling. yes there'll be lots, darling. yes go on. what would you . now, as go on. what would you. now, as you look at politics, you said you're quite political. you're looking at the whole northern ireland protocol business. what are your thoughts on how that's managed? particular, the way managed? in particular, the way the tory party conducted themselves? well that's a good question because i think increasingly underneath . all increasingly underneath. all current conservative party or whatever, i think there's a whiff of the seventies about this. and let me say why the vanguard movement was started the in the seventies and my

father was part it because people felt that politicians in general very much under the under the cover of whispers and whatever investment stories really didn't give a monkey's about northern ireland and would have been quite happy if we just disappear and quite frankly and l, disappear and quite frankly and i, i detect unfortunately same thing there are notable exceptions who are speaking up about the windsor framework or whatever there is a section of northern. no, i don't live there. i live in cheshire but there's a section of northern ireland which is called unionist loyalism. now i, don't care whether you disregard it or not, but those happen to be there and they believe with the hearts from the bottom their heart, that they loyal to the crown and the united kingdom there they shall remain . i know a lot of shall remain. i know a lot of people might not like that in

the alliance party or any other party in northern or in the labour party , in the alliance labour party, in the alliance party back home or the liberal party back home or the liberal party or indeed sections of the conservative . but i'm afraid you conservative. but i'm afraid you forget those people . and forget those people. and although you might think that jim and sammy wilson and all these people are stick to their guns and brought down stormont, may i remind you, sinn fein brought down stormont over the irish language act. so these are people who deeply about what they believe they will not be bullied and you pare down the windsor or whatever you want to call it it is not giving us, in inverted commas they what they and i'm afraid will not budge whether you like it or and the dangeris whether you like it or and the danger is that more and more conservatives will just want to wash their hands of us. i it's a deep fear. i have listened to i could talk to you all day. i really could. but unfortunately i would do it one day. do it

again, frank. afterwards thank you, charlie. it really good to see. that's charlie. the amazing , amazing, amazing actor from coronation . the activist. i coronation. the activist. i mean, honestly, what a star, right? coming up, though, it's time for our great british debate this hour. i'm asking, could town stones be? could latest town stones be? it's senior figures within labour party have reportedly called against called on leaders against starmer clarify the party's starmer to clarify the party's position on transgender issues . position on transgender issues. i they would, but if they i wish they would, but if they felt to their position, felt to define their position, could fall into the same could they fall into the same trap as the snp ? don't go trap as the snp? don't go anywhere . hello there. i'm greg anywhere. hello there. i'm greg hurst and welcome to our latest broadcast from the met office. we will see rain or showers over the next few days increasing, particularly in the west, which around average for the time of looking at the bigger picture. sunday's high pressure system moves of the way only to be replaced by low pressure systems, which means outbreaks of rain and stronger winds. the winds really picking the winds really picking by the middle waves middle of the week. large waves , western coast and rainfall totals to this evening totals building to this evening . already got outbreaks of rain

moving eastwards . northern moving eastwards. northern ireland, of scotland ireland, parts of scotland northern england, which could be heavy times of heavy at times clear of the higher ground, localised higher ground, some localised flooding is possible. cloud increasing the of increasing across the rest of england and wales. some damp weather under clear weather here, too, under clear skies across the final four. scotland perhaps a touch of frost for one or two to begin monday morning, but for most, a cloudy, damp the again, cloudy, damp to the day. again, this band rain giving some heavier spells over higher ground slowly pushes north ground as it slowly pushes north and further . also and eastwards further. also pushing in across southern of england and wales through the day could be heavy at times in between these weather systems. we could get a glimmers of we could get a few glimmers of sunshine, particularly across central areas. and here temperatures 14 or 15 degrees, just a little bit cooler across the far north of scotland. but some sunny spells here into the evening time on monday. further bands of rain pushing north and eastwards, could be heavy eastwards, which could be heavy at times. the winds start to pick up across southwestern areas around coast. rain areas around coast. the rain could as we could be heavy at times as we into the early hours too. again over the ground of northern over the high ground of northern england lead to some

england could lead to some localised perhaps localised flooding, perhaps southern to southern parts of scotland to perhaps of perhaps towards the end of monday night into tuesday morning, but very mild temperatures nine or ten celsius to start , but a cloudy stuff for to start, but a cloudy stuff for many however we will start to see bright spells pushing into parts of northern ireland. southwestern parts of england and wales as we go through the as this showery rain slowly pushes north eastwards the rain holding on northeast scotland . holding on northeast scotland. temperatures generally again around for the time of year, but further wet and weather to come towards midweek .

good afternoon is fast approaching 27 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news on tv onune 5:00. this is a gb news on tv online and digital radio. don't forget as well , you can stream forget as well, you can stream us live on youtube , nana akua. us live on youtube, nana akua. and it's time for our great british debate this hour. i'm asking, could labour's trans stance be its undoing? now,

according to reports, senior figures within the labour party have called upon leader sir keir starmer to clarify the party's stance on transgender issues in order to increase their chances of the keys to number 10. now, in previous interviews , keir in previous interviews, keir starmer been able to define the word woman . a woman can have word woman. a woman can have a penis . i'm . word woman. a woman can have a penis. i'm . not i don't think we penis. i'm. not i don't think we can conduct this debate with , can conduct this debate with, you know, so got this did you know i don't i just. no, no no. i just yeah. does the woman have a penis or not? did you if you honestly, it was unbelievable that that was ridiculous. you couldn't answer. but hasn't been the only time, sir starmer has struggled to transphobic to say only women have a cervix. struggled to transphobic to say only women have a cervix . well, only women have a cervix. well, it is something that shouldn't be said . what was he talking be said. what was he talking about? the party is said be wanting to align their policies with public opinion. and this

all comes after the snp well. you saw the mess that went to the mass exodus as well. the membership over the course of the months in fact, which the last months in fact, which literally started in october when nicola sturgeon decided push gender push forward her gender recognition reform bill and some argue now because with regard to bill that a lot of people have actually left party because of it. and it was all to do with transgender rights and self—identification. so if labour aren't careful, could they the same they be heading in the same direction? for the great direction? so for the great party's this i'm could party's debate this i'm could labour's stance its labour's trans stance be its undoing. now by ryan undoing. i'm joined now by ryan abraham communications officer at institute economic at the institute economic affairs . is it stephen so just affairs. is it stephen so just meaning almost done by some political commentator and does anybody else is it just us. well we're not going to start with you that we can, because telling me anything wrong. okay so i'm sorry, but only much as i am lacking of the policies lacking some of the policies that may be coming from the labour i can't get over labour party. i can't get over the keir couldn't the block that keir couldn't define woman. i'm saying i define a woman. i'm saying i think position going think that this position going to looking the

to be unsustainable looking the next i think the war next election. i think the war is going to be a huge policy area here. i mean, i think we saw that this is, of course, complete downfall of nicola sturgeon. and i think what that really shows that when politicians don't tell people the actually the truth and actually completely are led by ideology than fact, that actually means that they will people will get angry and people say that this is happening. i mean, it's upsetting for the fact that this will scotland. this will happen in scotland. this man , this man has been a man, this man who has been a serial rapist, was allowed enter this woman's space and, you know, of course, could have hurt those vulnerable women themselves as well. and i think with starmer, if he does with keir starmer, if he does change now, i mean, change his position now, i mean, we what thinks. we already know what he thinks. if changes his position now, if he changes his position now, we know it will be insincere. what he aligned himself with the piece the piece of course it was the conservatives said that was conservatives who said that was a woman doesn't a ridiculous the woman doesn't have penis and rishi sunak have a penis and rishi sunak did not to that not hesitate to answer that question. that i give question. and for that i give him ten out of ten. but what worries is that people are saying, it's inevitably saying, oh, it's inevitably a labour win , but they like

labour win, but they sounds like they're prepared to allow this to go unanswered. so i'm going to go unanswered. so i'm going to bring in sam dowler as. sam, what is your view on because you know , couldn't really answer the know, couldn't really answer the question and i want to ask you something. does a woman have a penis ? well, a trans woman could penis? well, a trans woman could have a penis and a trans man. i now she does a woman have a penis. a woman woman. i'm a woman brings a woman a woman have a penis. well, i mean , have a penis. well, i mean, technically, biology . no, but technically, biology. no, but but but if a transport of a truck was not trans, basically, it's either they do something like keir starmer see, this is a problem with regard to the transport of a trans woman as penis and still a woman in view. well i think the point is that like this is this is this this affects such tiny tiny percentage of country. i, i really , i really don't think really, i really don't think that this is, this something for them to, you know, run their campaign . and i it it's quite campaign. and i it it's quite low hanging fruit for the tories

if it is, if they like, if we hammered this home like let say like me banging on about use that clip. keir starmer i mean these issues that really affect these issues that really affect the population care about the cost of costs. i care cost of living costs. i care strikes, care about the strikes, they care about the nhs, care about other nhs, they care about other things before they care about, you know, trans and try and trans and trans women and trans men do not want to be dragged. this political football. they just to like live their just want to like live their lives . i don't how it should lives. i don't see how it should be any part of the of the election process at all. it's not just songs, she said. it's just facts. a very small portion of the electorate, but half of the electorate are women and. that affects us. so that's 50% that to look . how many times that has to look. how many times have you come up against trans trans women in the toilets or even a trans woman in. i've even met a trans woman in. i've met plenty of trans women, but i wouldn't want to be changing in changing as a trans woman changing rooms as a trans woman because they're effectively a man in my i mean , i think man in my view. i mean, i think that what's clear about the situation is when we've got a

man sitting here trying to tell us what a woman is, i think that's quite in itself. but look, i think think that what you're about is the you're right about is the majority of trans people are very, very sound individuals that genuinely do not want to be dragged into this. however is a policy that affects like not a 50% of the population, all women of all so whilst trans people do represent a very, very tiny of population, the majority whom do not want to be dragged in and be a political football in this situation. what is clear, however, is that there pet predators. there are people that take the fact that take advantage of the fact that they just say, i'm a woman they can just say, i'm a woman and a woman space and they're predatory men. they are predatory men. they are predatory men, not trans. it's predatory men, not trans. it's predatory men, not trans. it's predatory men that people need to be afraid, not like incels, for example , can take advantage for example, can take advantage of these laws and they can take advantage of predatory men, can take advantage of the laws that is they was supposed to be is that they was supposed to be there to trans women know that exactly but at the same time the

equality the 2010 equalities that has not changed in the last obviously the last 13 years. and there's been no problems like they haven't haven't you haven't found yourself . just say you say found yourself. just say you say this. no, we're not get any promises. there are and actually the fact that it feels for a lot of women word woman is of women that the word woman is slightly being airbrushed now, even mother is beginning disintegrate, so disintegrate, disintegrate. so i'm asking is though, do you i'm asking you is though, do you think, although think, sam, that this although you think it's a mind situation if you saw happened to the snp do you that this could end do you think that this could end up similar for up being a similar issue for the labour party ? i just think it's labour party? i just think it's again been blown out of all proportion . i mean the question proportion. i mean the question is, could be a similar issue because of what happened the snp because of what happened the snp because i might say that was . i because i might say that was. i don't no, no , no, i don't don't think. no, no, no, i don't think it would be an issue for them at all. think i think by them at all. think i think by the time time it comes the time by the time it comes around to, you know, the election when people are actually campaigning, think actually campaigning, i think they ducks they will have all their ducks in a row. they will have exactly what going to say. and what they are going to say. and i it would not that it's i think it would not that it's all raised to like, you know,

banging about because, banging on about it because, again, would would again, it would be it would look like they were using trans political football, like you just what have briefly just said. so what have briefly about itself your about 10 seconds the itself your view you think this view briefly do you think this could problem the could be a problem for the labour? think it could be labour? i do think it could be and think that we're seeing and i think that we're seeing unfortunately i i quite unfortunately i mean, i quite dislike engaging culture dislike engaging in the culture war. i think lot of it is quite silly, i actually think that silly, but i actually think that we're see it the we're going to see it in the next election culture. war is going a huge political going to be a huge political i don't want prime minister. the don't want a prime minister. the find a thank very find a woman. thank you very much so my site abraham communications at the institute of and some communications at the institute of a and some communications at the institute of a political and some communications at the institute of a political commentator. doubt a political commentator. thank much. what thank you so much. well, what are your. is gb on tv are your. this is gb news on tv onune are your. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm not a so on the way. we'll continue that british debate this asking this hour. and i'm asking labour's trans base doing labour's trans stunt base doing today panel today the thoughts of my panel all broadcaster christine all from broadcaster christine hamilton also broadcaster journalist hamilton also broadcaster jourrlet's your latest first let's get your latest headunes first let's get your latest headlines headlines. then a thank you. i'm tatiana sanchez with the latest news headlines from . the gb newsroom, the homes from. the gb newsroom, the homes is planning to deport first

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i'm nana akua. this is gb news is where? live on tv online and digital radio. we are the people's channel and it's time for our great debate this hour. i'm asking good neighbours trans stance is undoing now according to reports senior figures within the labour party have called upon leader sir keir starmer to clarify the party's stance on transgender issues in order to increase their chances of getting keys to number 10. getting the keys to number 10. another wanting another party has been wanting to align their policies, sort of closer to public opinion because it seems they're struggling to work out what a is. now, this all comes after snp all comes after the snp saw a mass exodus of its membership the of the last few the course of the last few months awkward argue months with some awkward argue and many would agree related to scottish first minister nicola sturgeon's approach to transgender and the

transgender rights and the labour party on careful . how labour party on careful. how could they head in the same direction for the great british debate this out i'm asking could labour's trans stance its undoing . let's see what my panel undoing. let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by author and broadcaster christine hamilton, aussie broadcaster , hamilton, aussie broadcaster, journalist . and you can hear journalist. and you can hear why. yes. did it because you have to make sure she's a journalist it seems very unfair to deny oh i'm used to it i've got broad shoulders. yeah and the christine thing do i think all labour have to do at the moment they've dumped corbyn they've got keir who basically blair without the flare. he's not really saying anything did upset the animals etc. etc. at the moment people are more worried about the cost of living, health, etcetera, etcetera. but as get towards an election we are going to focus on these things and they are going to have to come out and be more specific. it and if he continues to that he doesn't

know whether a woman has a penis or not, he is going to be in trouble . but basically at the trouble. but basically at the moment i think the tories are losing the election. i mean they're just not delivering the goods, they're being more than the frankly. and if the socialists, frankly. and if they start becoming more they don't start becoming more concerned , labour going concerned, if labour are going to walk in at the moment, i don't think this is a big issue for them, but it is laughable isn't so i think it's isn't it? so i don't think it's not so bad. so what happened when nicola sturgeon, the snp, you that that you would think that that wouldn't be a big issue but then something happened to the bryson happened were something happened to the bryson happto ad were something happened to the bryson happto relate were something happened to the bryson happto relate her were something happened to the bryson happto relate her policy were something happened to the bryson happto relate her policy to were something happened to the bryson happto relate her policy to thee able to relate her policy to the actual reality of the situation and people realise this is ludicrous what we need to know right the contributory factor . i right the contributory factor. i don't think it's going to be the downfall, but it will certainly be a contributory factor. there's a clue in the word laboun there's a clue in the word labour. it was set up to look after working class people. yes, thatis after working class people. yes, that is a wealthy labour in that is a of wealthy labour in north london and they have completely distorted views of life . i get that. but if you life. i get that. but if you travel to the west where i've

travelled down from today, you go working man's club. can go to a working man's club. can we that? they will want we call it that? they will want to say, you know what, that's not a woman because that has got a penis and they want like keir starmer. just to answer a simple question because of this sort of dupuchyis question because of this sort of duplicity is going to lose him voters . i'll tell you another voters. i'll tell you another thing. if i was a tory mp and, i wanted to regain my seat or keep my i would just walk around town with him taking knee for that matter. yes remember, a couple of years ago in thousand pounds, savile row in his office, it office that had the highest ceilings i've ever seen in a home, you know, a high that that's an indication of wealth high ceilings. low ceilings are indication that you're cramming everything in him and his missus taken the i would just say do you want this guy who can't tell you want this guy who can't tell you whether a woman's a woman and you want this guy the knee vote for me if that was advising keir starmer if only i would exactly tell him he has got to

get that particular policy he's to know what he means and he's got to start saying much more inclusive things and. he can't possibly continue this ridiculous stance. well, listen, if , a woman will if he doesn't know, a woman will do. you saw the way they attacked the attacked forest with the partygate. course, we've partygate. and of course, we've got we've all that this week have if the conservative have you if the conservative party indeed the media were to create towards this create a racket towards this question to whether a woman has been or not and if the conservatives have any sense, i think they should. i mean on that question. yeah, because i think it's really important. question and one that will go under the radar because all of this inclusivity, this this inclusivity, all of this change language, all of change of language, all of these sort of word sort of obliteration, of word woman, the removal, sort of obliteration, of word woman, the removal , the woman, and also the removal, the word all of word mother and all of this stuff away very stuff is chipping away very slowly . and i think that this is slowly. and i think that this is a potential if the tory party were to try and to focus on were to try and win, to focus on that the general public that because the general public won't it's a simple won't answer. it's a simple question, mention question, wouldn't you mention the sturgeon the snp since nicola sturgeon into with this. i love into this mess with this. i love fella you know. did you see the photographs in his tracksuit? it's perfectly you know he's he's pretty transitioning. he's

a man . the reason that the snp a man. the reason that the snp are in power is because they want independence. the vast of scottish i would say for the snp don't think that a fella was a woman. the normal old north of the border where people and that's when you start confuse losing ideology with what the point of your party is which goes back to your original question on point of labour is to look after the working and now you're getting confused with with with whether women have you say the point of excuses to look after the working that walks the point of labour but now they've got to encompass middle class vote so that they won't won't be elected so they've moved on whatever you call the working class if they do a the class now and if they do a the middle class vote and b women up more than 50% of the population. and they undoubtedly and i think they undoubtedly make more , even bigger make up even more, even bigger percentage of the voting population if they alienate women . they're very i don't women. they're very i don't i don't think that because

although the labour party seem to be saying all the right things, they've got the right soundbites, the conservative party are like labour party are more like the labour party are more like the labour party . so it would party are more like the labour party. so it would appear party are more like the labour party . so it would appear that party. so it would appear that if are looking labour if you are looking labour values, you stick with the values, then you stick with the conservative because conservative party because that's so that's where they're at. so i don't think this must differentiate but what differentiate them. but what i think will differentiate them are nuances like the are simple nuances like the culture wars because it's not just in larger like name just in larger things like name whether a woman has a penis or not. it's also infiltrating the schools and all of the language in which the books like that as well. later on, people are getting fed up with it. they are going to far with it. well, tony blair was in power for three terms because he understood that we live in a small c conserved of and you have of country and you have to balance socialism with capitalism and what customers had to do. that's why he's ditched. corbyn yeah. because they'll into power they'll never get into power with the left and just with the hard left and just before leave labour, before we leave labour, look what to rosie duffield. what happened to rosie duffield. the when she she got the labour mp, when she she got absolute can't remember she absolute can't remember what she said, stood up women said, but she stood up women have to serve except she stood up and defended the service.

what we know to be the case and the fact of a sensible view. she has been absolutely savagely attacked within her party by the sisterhood, didn't want to go her own party conference now so i think we need to start looking at people were so at some that people were so quick say, oh are definitely quick to say, oh are definitely in because their party are very, very not even few and far between. but this is nothing without union views. let's welcome great welcome some of our great british their british voices on their opportunity to on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing tonight. three let's tonight. i've got three let's start sampson. he's start with jackie sampson. he's the innocent opens jackie could thomas stance on the cost thomas stance on the issue cost them the actual vote ? i think it them the actual vote? i think it could. and i totally agree with your panellist because they is just another example where they've alienated from the concerns of their voters and should the trans community as a minority community. yes its needs and concerns should absolutely be respect and address, but no at the expense of the majority , like the safe

of the majority, like the safe spaces of women . we get to a spaces of women. we get to a position now we don't want. we should have to defend what makes us a woman, what makes us man at the same time, the trans community have the right to be to pursue the operations. then you have all of this about the equality in sport. it's not a level playing in every sense of the word, but basically i think this another example of how labour has slid outside metropolitan london. elite labour, metropolitan london. elite labour , they moved away from labour, they moved away from their voters, both working class , middle class that are outside initial bubble. and i think they need to be very clear of they stand for. yeah. thank you for that live appeal there in bedford bedford . yeah, no, no. bedford bedford. yeah, no, no. i'm a man. gentlemen dads and also working class and labour just seem to want eradicate all of that with this trans debate. i mean we're saying the word go we were saying that in the

charity and my thing is go white guy right that's what's going to happen it's the same thing happens comic relief when david lammy made these remarks on white privilege and all of that andifs white privilege and all of that and it's exactly the same thing as s we're getting rid of the word guy . we're getting rid of word guy. we're getting rid of the word mother. we're getting words the words. ladies and gentlemen, we're pushing the word guy in them. and it just seems , though, we're getting rid seems, though, we're getting rid of biological as well. and i think labour keep going down think if labour keep going down that road and they're certainly not to get my no on the not going to get my no on the purse and they can say either way at the moment, if the you know if they're not going to know so if they're not going to get my vote the way they're going. david brown in watford, good afternoon. i have to agree with what they so far with everybody what they so far if are not careful this if labour are not careful this will be another rex moment. the metropolitan are listening to the minor party shouting about this is unfair. that's unfair. we do this, we must do that . we do this, we must do that. unless we get at the average man and woman don't want to have no

genden and woman don't want to have no gender. they don't want to be known as a not a man , a woman. known as a not a man, a woman. mm. oh, listen who we are. unless we get their act together, they've lost the election. well, listen, thank so much to my wonderful, great british voices david boehm is there in watford , leigh in there in watford, leigh in bedford, and also in saint opens. the lovely . jacki, thank opens. the lovely. jacki, thank you very much. well, listen , you very much. well, listen, here's another story that caught my eye. it emerged that the alert will be sent to mobile users the uk next month to test new public warning system . so new public warning system. so that's what you can expect to hear on the 23rd of april, a siren sound and users won't be able to use their phones until they know it has been designed to make people aware of potentially threatening situations floods and situations such as floods and wildfires and how they wildfires and how often they happen. often. so what do happen. not as often. so what do you going ask my panel, you. i'm going to ask my panel, christine, do you feel about christine, how do you feel about your mobile phone suddenly being taken over until you do something? otherwise, christine taken over until you do sorthinkig? otherwise, christine taken over until you do sorthinkig? yrightwise, christine

taken over until you do sorthinkig? yright that christine taken over until you do sorthinkig? yright that it'sistine , i think i'm right that it's not everybody's mobile phone. they're cherry a few they're going cherry pick a few people at random, i'm told. i hope i'm not i'm not too concerned about this. i know you , but i'm not quite sure why you are. it doesn't really matter, doesit are. it doesn't really matter, does it mean surely it's a good thing that the government ready if there is some amazing emergency to be emergency that we all need to be told nuclear they've told about nuclear war. they've got system set up to alert got a system set up to alert whoever they got . what's with whoever they got. what's with the rest of the media, any the rest of the media, tony? any i'm sure what not a thinks i'm not sure what not a thinks about my views christine i've about it my views christine i've got problem with it got no problem with it whatsoever i'm not of these whatsoever i'm not one of these people have a concern about people who have a concern about big brother i'm really on surveillance it falls surveillance i think it falls that sort of category too late on that thing i don't know. what do well my thoughts do you think? well my thoughts this the fact that they can this that the fact that they can take if disabling and take your phone if disabling and disable it completely means that. so you get yourself the electric can of you electric car. they can of you electric car. they can of you electric what worries electric car. what worries means the that these little the fact that these little things alerts already it things we have alerts already it is an issue we on the news we've got you've got we've got need you've everything got rage everything else we've got rage you've all the things that you've got all the things that we they we used normally. why do they

need in and take over need to come in and take over your phone? i tell you. i tell your phone? i tell you. i tell you why. say, for example you are shopping at a new street in birmingham and there was a terror attack then could zap your and tell you to go to your phone and tell you to go to the the problem the bullring. yeah the problem with it. well, the problem that is. well, there'll other is. well, there'll be other warning could tell is. well, there'll be other warthat could tell is. well, there'll be other warthat i could tell is. well, there'll be other warthat i look could tell is. well, there'll be other warthat i look like could tell is. well, there'll be other warthat i look like an uld tell is. well, there'll be other warthat i look like an ak tell is. well, there'll be other warthat i look like an ak 47l me that i look like an ak 47 round. well when that round. well but when is that happened. i was watching the charlie the day it charlie hebdo the day it happened charlie happened in paris. charlie hebdo, one yeah, hebdo, that's one thing. yeah, well, it's just to move on. but as because we're running of as because we're running out of time, so, you know, surrender something is horrendous. thinking think thinking about it, i will think about it. it's not time they can because they didn't want to talk about why are so about why chains are still so very we wanted very very helpful. yes we wanted to talk about enid blyton. yeah. well do at the end time, well do that at the end of time, seeing as you're unhelpful. seeing as you're so unhelpful. christine danny christine hamilton and danny kelly, you. kelly, let's start with you. it's about the baileys. coming up to. the basically up to. the fda basically bailiffs luton airport bailiffs are said luton airport to whizz head offices for £4,000 build they cancelled the flights on this flight for a family. they were given alternatives. they were given alternatives. the family didn't want them and they sued them . and you know

they sued them. and you know what was a blight them. they refused to even arrange sort of compensation. and so fella fought for the little guy on the and the bailiffs went round and i but yet they they have the power to actually we'll clamp a yes i will because that is just very weak. we have an almost situation with ryanair because done the same to us. so right my supplement is about a great the bbc have done an adaptation of great expectations . they have great expectations. they have injected an anti message into it. these politically correct zealots this is dickens this is one of our classic novels. they actually have pip saying it feels forgive me and i won't say it. take your f—ing hands off me thatis it. take your f—ing hands off me that is what pip and great expect, tatian says in this bbc adaptation . that is an insult to adaptation. that is an insult to dickens. it is. it is just horrendous obviously i mean, it was offended by that, you know. he apologised well attached to that she didn't say the word. yeah but didn't say well okay i

do have but they all could be offended that that being written into great by the bbc . what were into great by the bbc. what were your expectations anyway. so what were they . oh, now let's go what were they. oh, now let's go to my supplement. what were they. oh, now let's go to my supplement . according to to my supplement. according to enid blyton, which is one of my favourite authors , the next favourite authors, the next series of the books have come under fire for the language of the news. of course we are all down. fleming apparently her books are being treated contraband being hidden contraband and are being hidden in storage due to the outdated of some of the language in her. i mean, look, what do you think very briefly, you go back, no more gay trips to the forest. i think it's mental. think these think it's mental. i think these librarians unilaterally have decided to stick where no one can see. i think that meant should be fired. well, i loved devon.i should be fired. well, i loved devon. i loved enid blyton and my favourite. i can't even say the name of. but on today's show we've been asking these reports. one is for one the plan and according our twitter according to our twitter play, 88% yes. well % of you 88% of you say yes. well% of you say thank so much to my say thank you. so much to my wonderful and wonderful panel author and broadcaster, christine hamilton . i said both. and doing this

tiny thank you and a huge thank you to you at home for your company. thank you so much i'll be at the earliest time next week at three on saturday discuss the top stories have a good week. hello there. i'm greg hurst latest hurst and welcome to our latest broadcast from the met office. we see rain showers over we will see rain showers over the few days increasing, the next few days increasing, winds particularly west. winds particularly in the west. temperatures the temperatures average for the time looking at bigger time of looking at the bigger picture. high pressure system moves out of the way only to be replaced by low pressure systems, which means outbreaks of rain and stronger winds. the winds really picking up by the middle week. waves around middle of the week. waves around western coast and rainfall totals to this evening. totals building to this evening. we've already got outbreaks of rain moving eastwards across northern ireland scotland, northern ireland of scotland, northern ireland of scotland, northern which could be northern england which could be heavy at times, particularly of the localised the higher. some localised flooding is cloud increasing across the rest of england and wales. some damp weather here too any clear across the too under any clear across the far north of scotland . perhaps far north of scotland. perhaps a touch of frost for one or two to begin monday morning, but for most a cloudy, damp start to the day. again, this band of rain

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welcome to gloria made three cracking interviews for you this evening. first up, it's the labour mp and former army officer dan jarvis . and i just officer dan jarvis. and i just had this moment where i thought, well , you know, there is a had this moment where i thought, well, you know, there is a real risk that i could get captured. i'm not going to get captured because being captured by the taliban not something that taliban is not something that you to happen. elapses in you wanted to happen. elapses in 2019, you won the seat from dennis skinner , the conservative dennis skinner, the conservative mp for bolsover. mark fletcher i always struggled with aggressive men and sort of male culture,