good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the home secretary has said she's held constructive talks . the european constructive talks. the european court of human rights over possible reforms to the injunction that halted flights to rwanda . it comes after suella to rwanda. it comes after suella braverman migrants could be sent to rwanda by the summer. she's continued her visit to the african nation, where earlier today she met with students from kepler, a university program where at least 25% of its students are refugees . the uk students are refugees. the uk and rwanda are vowing to step up efforts tackle migration. the agreement between the two

countries has been expanded include all illegal migrants , include all illegal migrants, not just asylum seekers . not just asylum seekers. meanwhile, ms. brodtmann has also been about police conduct in the uk saying she's prepared to change laws to expel officers in the met police . she's in the met police. she's acknowledged as very for chief constables to get of officers who she says fall short. the home office launched a review of the police disciplinary process earlier year after serving met officer david carrick was convicted of rape . russian convicted of rape. russian president vladimir putin has said that russia is open to a diplomatic resolution to the ukraine crisis. but says he rejects ultimatums . in an rejects ultimatums. in an article written for a chinese newspaper. he also welcomes china's involvement to solving the crisis and said that the two nafions the crisis and said that the two nations are fighting threats. he's due to meet the chinese president tomorrow . russia for president tomorrow. russia for peace talks . ji has said a peace talks. ji has said a peaceful resolution needs to

comply with the un charter and respect security concerns of all involved . the comments come involved. the comments come following surprise visit to the ukraine and city of mariupol on friday. the international criminal issued president putin an arrest warrant on charges of war crimes and switzerland's bank ubs will take over its rival credit suisse in a government backed deal worth more than two and a half billion pounds. credit suisse shares fell by 24% on wednesday to a record low amid fears of a wider european crisis. the swiss president has praised the move, saying it's the best solution to provide comfort in the financial market. the deal includes 100 billion chf in liquidity assistance for banks. the bank of england welcomed the move, saying uk remain safe and sound . tv online and dab+ radio is tv news. now it's over. deadline is

hello i'm stephen allen and welcome to headliners joining me tonight to take you through monday's news stories on this mothering sunday. we have the motherlode that is josh howie ben norris. have you did you have fun times with mother's day 7 have fun times with mother's day .7 well don't really know. you're not a mother . .7 well don't really know. you're not a mother. i'm not a .7 well don't really know. you're not a mother . i'm not a mother. not a mother. i'm not a mother. should have enquired that before we start the show. i tweeted my mum about half an hour ago, so she forgot my birthday. it's fast.i she forgot my birthday. it's fast. i want to go. so i was in a sweater all day and then i got in there just to keep him with inheritance. healthy family . how inheritance. healthy family. how we do it.7 let's go through your front pages . daily mail, euro front pages. daily mail, euro judges to back down on rwanda . judges to back down on rwanda. the guardian says health union members in push to nhs pay deal

the times toxic matt face is being broken up . the express being broken up. the express rwanda plan is euro court backing down the metro. boris is dossier. and finally the daily star springs hold folks police scare and were your front pages . let's make sense of all that we with the daily mail josh . now we with the daily mail josh. now the thing is i don't think our gb news viewers really want to get into the like rwanda and brave men and the ehcr and stuff like that. they want to see straight away what it means here because at the top of the daily mail, if we going to show the little it says little page up there, it says you top right, the you can't see it top right, the vote unrivalled analysis and vote act unrivalled analysis and reports but they have a set the verdict of what have missed something in the news what they haven't verdict the haven't said the verdict the verdict and it says pull out inside . that's how we had our inside. that's how we had our fifth child. and there's also a

picture of kate's family. these are all future of the people who will be our future king, queens or whatever, the ones who are better than us and they look better than us and they look better than us and they look better than us. they look like the family . better than us. they look like the family. i'm very the perfect family. i'm very interested there's lot interested to see there's a lot of semiotic on. that's a of semiotic going on. that's a word learnt at university . and word i learnt at university. and there's of the kids has got there's one of the kids has got added trainers and one of added us trainers and one of them's got nike trainers. i'm just saying i, don't know if there's like some sort of future rivalry between the brothers already starting mighty all other . that is how it starts other. that is how it starts right . but they look that's right. but they look that's a good looking family. i'm pretty happy have them as. good looking family. i'm pretty happy have them as . are each happy to have them as. are each a people than us.7 talk a better people than us.7 talk about social climbing . are they about social climbing. are they really up there? very good . really up there? very good. yeah. they haven't showed yeah. but they haven't showed how. they're all in the tree. but how high is that tree. that tree. literally could tree. you can literally could have know what they have the you know what they probably just have the you know what they proidown just have the you know what they proidown the just have the you know what they proidown the whole just have the you know what they proidown the whole tree. just have the you know what they proidown the whole tree. yeahst cut down the whole tree. yeah cut it. and then just put that little just so they look cut it. and then just put that littl

you know what made me angry? and i'll save this disgusts i'll save this photo disgusts me. but get on to euro judges. set back down on rwanda flights that's what everyone's know. so i sent you after blocking it last summer the hrc the european court of human rights has said more suggest that did the actually you know this whole rwanda thing they might not be protesting they they they so bannedit protesting they they they so banned it last time on rule 39 oh rule if you're familiar with rule 39. it's also coincidentally the same rule that they use in wars clone the clone wars as rule nine, where that starts what the emperor sends out that , then they turn sends out that, then they turn on all the jedi . oh, i don't on all the jedi. oh, i don't watch that yet. so you just. you've ruined it. oh, okay, fine. so you. it baffled her. have you not seen star? i've seen but i didn't they seen it, but i didn't know they could from films like could use. rules from films like that. that's what they did. that influence equality and human rights commission or whatever it's called as a commission to whatever human rights. something to human rights. i don't to do with human rights. i don't have which i don't know who came

first. of human first. the equality of human rights. star rights. yeah. a european or star wars ? we don't know yet. i'd say wars? we don't know yet. i'd say well, the star wars 1977. so i imagine use just before. okay we'll just before. okay. george lucas is a big fan of the equality and human rights commission . so yeah, that's 40 commission. so yeah, that's 40 where he got it from. anyway, this people this is great news for people who to send everybody who who want to send everybody who comes to what do you comes on a boat to what do you think about this particular that star wars talking about it which is your favourite episode i'm not star wars person i'm not might look at you with you having anyway . i yeah that's having anyway. i yeah that's george said the thing or wonder i think it's cool i'd say so i don't think it's attractive policy. okay if for me it feels sunsetting and tweaks everybody that was in it. i heard talking to you on this early today and they said something which i hope is true just because it'll be ironic therefore that ironic and therefore funny that the might be okay with this if every case is reviewed on a case

by case basis and only case by case, well then means people need to be kept the uk until their case can be to see if they could be sent rwanda. so maybe we just deal cases quicker, which would have been the most of these people arrive with no cases.i of these people arrive with no cases. i think you'll oh, cases. i think you'll fly. oh, well, ruin plan well, that's got to ruin plan but let's on to the but if it's let's on to the time's up next ben what are they going with. well gone with lockdown parties that boris johnson is saying that the inquiry is going to be biased because some of the people involved , the inquiry had involved, the inquiry had already said they thought that bofis already said they thought that boris was a liar and he is going to try and wheedle is went out of this one so he only wants to deal with people who don't think he's a liar. yes i don't know he's a liar. yes i don't know he's a liar. it's going to be very hard for me to find anybody in doesn't in this country. doesn't actually loads . actually that he's lied loads. yeah so good luck with that lucky enough to bring some people who don't really people in who don't really know bofis people in who don't really know boris can do boris johnson and they can do the inquiry. of that

the inquiry. yeah all of that coming apparently without the inquiry. yeah all of that cominthey apparently without the inquiry. yeah all of that cominthey getarently without the inquiry. yeah all of that cominthey get wrong without the inquiry. yeah all of that cominthey get wrong decision. cases they get wrong decision. they know where be going next. yeah i mean it is difficult to work out what point will be. work out what his point will be. i'm forward to whole i'm looking forward to the whole interreg that if interreg action is that if that's what called because interreg action is that if thatargument called because interreg action is that if thatargument callenormallyz interreg action is that if thatargument callenormally go. the argument would normally go. he says he doesn't know what the rules they therefore rules were. they therefore didn't breaking rules were. they therefore dihet breaking rules were. they therefore di he was breaking rules were. they therefore di he was the breaking rules were. they therefore di he was the rules. breaking rules were. they therefore di he was the rules. let breaking rules were. they therefore di he was the rules. let me'eaking if he was the rules. let me reason i knew the rules at that time because saw say . time is because i saw him say. them. how would them. yeah, yeah. so how would he ? you know what he not know them? you know what it's like. look, you've got people that the magic of tv but has right here. so has an auto queue right here. so he not aware of any of the he is not aware of any of the words actually saying. so words you're actually saying. so it could put it in the it could be they put it in the autocue have parties he autocue like have parties he didn't at it. yeah he just read and you quite you know what it's like with you what's like. oh like with you what's he like. oh actually words actually said these words and seem sense they seem to be make sense but they don't actually yeah. don't actually go in. oh yeah. so can understand . you so i can understand. what you say. know don't have say. he didn't know don't have parties had out of his parties actually had out of his mouth because he was just happy he's pressing autocue he's just pressing the autocue and like and just hoping it sounded like okay he didn't sound a okay and he didn't sound like a robot. maybe some of robot. yeah. and maybe some of it probably latin, which no it probably in latin, which no one that's it. one understands. that's what it. yeah way, the face

yeah also by the way, the face is a broken up. that was the other story. yes. yeah. so feel criminal. good times . yeah, criminal. good times. yeah, that's it. just work out where the lines are. yeah. there's probably one street that's not covered by one of the forces. but last time the police but the last time the police split up, a sting went solo. and that wasn't for anybody. so i don't think i just sometimes. yeah the music. that's your version of star wars ? yeah. version of star wars? yeah. excellent we move on now to the guardian. josh, what are they going with? health union members in push to reject nhs pay deal. so there's a vote , i suppose the so there's a vote, i suppose the government have offered a 5% pay increase and like 2% this year, like the last year and then another 4% and then 5% is a permanent thing . and the union's permanent thing. and the union's been pretty happy with that because they've come from a position of the government not negotiating then negotiating at all. and then there bunch of nurses who negotiating at all. and then theisaying bunch of nurses who negotiating at all. and then theisaying no, nch of nurses who negotiating at all. and then theisaying no, no. of nurses who negotiating at all. and then theisaying no, no. and jrses who negotiating at all. and then theisaying no, no. and that who negotiating at all. and then theisaying no, no. and that but) are saying no, no. and that but they're from an organisation called nhs workers say no. so it's very hard to work out what

position. they're actually on this but yeah, they say this going to be on a knife edge. whether we're going to continue or not, i'm not that bothered because i'm quite so far i've managed to personally avoid not going hospital. but i imagine for people out there who are sick , this is kind of sick, this is kind of frustrating yes is ongoing. i remember on of the strike days because every so often i go for a run. i'm not great at running. but on the strike days because i don't to fall down and need don't want to fall down and need to ambulance. so i only to call an ambulance. so i only went running around the hospital. i'm very clever. i also any diy, any time also didn't do any diy, any time that was like if i saw that was a strike, diy , right? and a nhs strike, no diy, right? and that's i mean in a way that is part of me that's hoping the nhs strikes continue because are some shelves that my wife has been wanting me to put out for quite some time, especially bank holidays. if they could do it then, yeah, that would holidays. if they could do it the ready yeah, that would holidays. if they could do it the ready for yeah, that would holidays. if they could do it the ready for the aah, that would holidays. if they could do it theready for the episode would holidays. if they could do it the ready for the episode ofould be ready for the episode of casualty with someone be ready for the episode of casua somethingith someone be ready for the episode of casua something like omeone be ready for the episode of casua something like omecisn't doing something like that isn't it was last it have you when was the last time watched time you watched casualty. i like eighties so not like the eighties so not everyone. but yeah, since there

was of diy in the eighties was a lot of diy in the eighties then that it was people in casualty. according casualty. yeah. according to those yes those documentary it's very yes i that's got me started i and that's what got me started there also on the front page you get that picture , the royal get that picture, the royal family looks different. oh yeah. god, they that's them standing around. moved to around. and finally we moved to the daily star were we're talking about well, they're talking about well, they're talking about well, they're talking about just when we thought spring had sort of arrived. it's a beautiful day today. arrived. it's a beautiful day today . it wasn't it. say today. it wasn't it. they say the daily star say that we're going have a polar scare . huge going have a polar scare. huge 700 mile polar plunge and it's going to be minus nine later in the week in the. so we've got a snowman they've got someone a sunglasses policy they're polar bearis sunglasses policy they're polar bear is that what trying to say. oh i thought what they're saying. yeah i think it is we. yeah. the i mean i'm trying to work out with the minus because i've not read the whole thing because it's the, it's a weather story on the front page of a tabloid. so i didn't read the whole. that minus nine whole. but is that minus nine with factor or

with the wind chill factor or are going are we actually going to get nine we going get it nine and are we going to get it in a place? i don't care. but i just i'm really excited that you are actually delving further into it's into the story. you know, it's someone just someone else would have just ditched it straight away and moved on. but that will be on their way some time here or something. on something. this this snowman on the front page wearing glasses that some sort of that seem to like some sort of a con because . it actually con because. it doesn't actually have so i'm not buying have eyes. so i'm not buying that a it could it that for a second. it could it could be some sort of could actually be some sort of disability snowman. i'm just saying, bit saying, that's a little bit offensive also, that kara offensive. also, is that kara weirdly like it's been , we weirdly like it's been, we shouldn't delve too long. well, coming up, we'll move on. more serious matters. the snp is in a mess , the french in a mess. and mess, the french in a mess. and labourin mess, the french in a mess. and labour in a mess. see you .

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howie and the mother duck. ben norris . we weren't brave, but i norris. we weren't brave, but i get that reference . one syllable get that reference. one syllable was meant to be in there with the word, but we weren't brave enough. monday telegraph and josh looks like it's back to josh it looks like it's back to school someone . yes closing school for someone. yes closing down schools and lockdown may been a mistake, admits clinical . so this is one of the stories covered in the telegraph i'd like to see if other channels might possibly talk about it in their and is jason leeds now this is all one of the scottish this is all one of the scottish this is all one of the scottish this is based up in scotland so in scotland will know of he's a dentist which is exactly who you want to be declaring policy. he was on tv a lot nicola sturgeon as they closed down the country and he basically was a face of the pandemic up in scotland and he says that he regrets missteps that with forever. and that will stay with forever. and you know who else those those mistakes stay with my children who are much thicker because of these missteps and will be for

these missteps and will be for the rest of their lives that's been proven many. no no no. i mean the thing is and whatever yeah a myriad of other factors but this is so already there in a deficiency and now they've gone lower because of my home schooling them for two years and this is really upsetting thing to read. and he's sort of talking about how because up in scotland they they were making the rules even stricter than in england and it was kind of like a rules like they were just trying to see who could like outdo other then, outdo each other and then, you know those whatsapp know, from those whatsapp messages came with messages that came out with hancock , they would like a hancock that, they would like a scotland like going down scotland was like going down lockdown for more and whatever they were like well got it. they were like well we got it. we can't let them out do us with our that sort our lockdown and then that sort of and what it of wasn't it didn't and what it wasn't about was science which is what we were told it was not. i mean, i know in some cases it was but some it wasn't. was but some cases it wasn't. and that that's very upsetting for the fact that, you for me. and the fact that, you know, you had older pupils forced wear face masks even forced to wear face masks even in lessons until february last

yeah in lessons until february last year. and i remember. but it was a bit early with. my son and his 13 year old niece and all day you got kids around the same age or older, aren't they. yeah, they know. mean , are they all know. but i mean, are you angry about that? do you about i do think about what happened? i do think that angry . i'm that you can look angry. i'm looking angry. so this and now i think the you know, it seems that we need to be quite so harsh . the lockdowns with school harsh. the lockdowns with school kids and yeah , i mean, i have to kids and yeah, i mean, i have to say, my kids would delighted as i'm lots of kids were that they weren't going to school but then they realised this is going to get well. so did you get pretty as well. so did you home schooling. no okay . what do home schooling. no okay. what do you do for all that time? just totally give in on them. the thing you know is that they were getting sent stuff. okay well, yours are a bit so that's yours are a bit older, so that's why a better why schools are a bit better with but with the classes and stuff. but primary is where primary schools, which is where some very pivotal years, were missed i missed out. certainly with my i can't remember i've got too many kids remember, i think kids to remember, but i think of the year his the kids, the nine year old, his spelling is still terrible and

his still bad compared his spelling still bad compared to his little sister , six, to his little sister, six, because he missed out those two years where it always gets put together and just really upsets me because it was and they weren't following the science and they're they're all now going to be ramifications for kids for the rest of their lives. and i'm going to have pay for a taser . i lives. and i'm going to have pay for a taser. i think that really gets you. yeah, that's the thing stings. this move on to monday's ban and the putting snp into ban and the snp putting snp into snafu . well it seems the snp snafu. well it seems the snp have been haemorrhaging members to the tune of about . thousand to the tune of about. thousand we 2019 since sturgeon announced was stepping down. there's been something a meltdown in the snp and the truth is as an english bloke it's really quite hard to give a toss about scottish politics and of course it's important but it's just hard to , you know, really passionately care. but you know the they've got the advert for the snp

worked out for the next year , worked out for the next year, they've got they're just going to play that clip and then the moment, going moment, it's going to go straight i suppose so. straight back up i suppose so. yes, got 72,000 members yes, they've got 72,000 members and reckon probably the and i reckon probably the proclaimers have more fans than that but the proclaimers are they support the alba party. don't they which is alex salmond's the true authentic and it turns out the real the real the one and alba short for i'll believe it when i see it if you're going to you're going to hear your scottish accent. i'm going to do my okay this really is winning independence for them. can't believe it. not them. i can't believe it. not only comments only the first comments followed by accent , rest of it . this by the accent, rest of it. this is the thing though i suppose i do. you care about this in any because at some point it's another referendum. you're suddenly i've said no suddenly care more. i've said no very because the snp very much care because the snp traditionally labour has as has won most seats in before the snp rose there. so it would make a big impact actually if the snp fall apart and labour getting more seats again, they're not

going to be as dependent on certain other areas in england and so actually i think it and wales so actually i think it will have an impact. the united kingdom whole also to see kingdom as a whole also to see the full falling apart with the snp full falling apart with all proclamations and how they're the good people. it turns out there's some dodgy and i'm one of that lead one of the leadership contenders basically saying that their election the leadership election is she's like not convinced by it because this information wasn't out there and she thinks that's affecting her chances. i think it does. but i also understand i don't know how you guys you are good scottish right. it good with scottish right. it says fighting like says here they're fighting like nuts sack . is that a nuts in a sack. is that a misspelling? they nuts ? misspelling? do they mean nuts? a deal's ? fight my mind got a sack deal's? fight my mind got along really well. depends but. but have you ever heard of nats in the south. i hadn't to. okay. do you know what that means? not in the sack? i imagine i'm just guessing you got sack in guessing here. you got a sack in person and they person that's in it. and they pretty find it a bit cramped even. they're a lot of even. they're not quite a lot of nats sense. on nats.

even. they're not quite a lot of nats i sense. on nats. even. they're not quite a lot of nats i believe a. on nats. even. they're not quite a lot of nats i believe they on nats. even. they're not quite a lot of nats i believe they call nats. even. they're not quite a lot of nats i believe they call images yeah i believe they call images this but there is i don't if you've seen clips of mr. of you've seen clips of mr. use of his he's a sort of he was saying that was the continuity that he was the continuity candidate bit sort of candidate and he's a bit sort of disaster prone that really disaster prone that was really funny week where he said the double rapist who was not a sentence that normally stuff. yeah well something was really it was funny in that he said oh yeah it's definitely a he and he's he was just pretending to be a woman and because of that someone then dobbed him in for the hate crime bill that he himself pushed through saying that misgendered somebody and even though he when he when it was put through by him and people said , look, people people said, look, people can use hate against them use this hate against them unwillingly and whatnot, because anybody can submit it even on behalf somebody else. and they were like, no, that'll never happen. that he is happen. so the fact that he is now put through is pretty now being put through is pretty funny, said, oh, no, funny, but he's said, oh, no, i'm not. the continuing. he was like it was like, oh like before it was like, oh yeah, vote for i'm the continuity now continuity candidate. and now it's all gone toxic and messed up the peaceful, you know up in the a peaceful, you know what? no, i'm pretty profound

for leave. i'm break away. i'll do old you. it's great. see, i it as we go on to mondays daily mail just labour have to think about trans issues although they should watch this channel for all 3 minutes they could all the 3 minutes they could watch and watch it for one minute and they'll it . labour must they'll get get it. labour must clarify on issues to clarify its policy on issues to win the next election sir keir starmer is essentially trans along with some other stuff has brought down nicola sturgeon arguably trying to push while pushing through the policy that she did into self laws up in scotland. just to jump in, do you think that was pushed through in the hope of making westminster trigger that clause that can that that they can i mean that there's an argument that but there's an argument for that but there's an argument for that but the to see unpopular it was out there and she is has traditionally been such a popular politician i think it was a big shock though lots of people are saying that normal people are saying that normal people don't want rapists in women's prisons and various other things happen with this kind of self id law that they were warned about quite

repeatedly. and keir starmer has said that he initially that they said that he initially that they said that he initially that they said that this was also to be labour's policy. so now they're about whether it's going to be sort of quietly as they've seen these actual the reality of it come into practise and people have been saying a long time including me who i saying including me who am i saying please? keir starmer , i want you please? keir starmer, i want you to win. i want labour to get in on the next election, 50 over 50 and our population are women and they don't like there and a good portion of them don't like that . the word women being delete . . the word women being delete. they don't want men and women sports and various other things . so they need to labour needs sort this out and so far they haven't he's you know you still are and also we want our politicians to be honest when you ask what's a woman? we don't want this ? well, 99% of women want this? well, 99% of women are this not know just give us a proper straight scientific answer. women don't give multi—millions, honest politicians is a big ask . well, politicians is a big ask. well, okay, then at least be a clever politician, which i think he

quite a clever politician. and realise this is a much bigger issue that then that sort of they're trying to pretend it's just this culture wars silly little thing it isn't it encompasses a of other points and they need to get on top of it and they're still not on top of it even though they're seeing in real time how badly it's working for other political parties. the venue and i have 60 seconds without getting your career cancelled try and talk on this topic . well, i do think this topic. well, i do think storm has got a little bit a reputation now of hoping that certain things will just sort of go away , but then he is very go away, but then he is very aware of how effectively the tories pin him to the wall with anything that he might sort of step out of line with . and you step out of line with. and you know, they probably know that he does care quite deeply some some things that is best if he doesn't speak about until they're reluctant, then he can talk more widely . yeah, i sort

talk more widely. yeah, i sort of understand why he doesn't want to get. oh, totally. i understand . but at the same time understand. but at the same time i think it is threatening a loss of a lot of votes and a lot of women who are very angry with for taking a stand on for not just taking a stand on this, but when you have this, but also when you have people anderson saying people like lee anderson saying in reported that that in reported that he said that the next election be fought the next election will be fought culture maybe culture war issues then maybe you have some armaments you want to have some armaments in war issues in your culture war issues rather ignore and rather than just ignore it and just please don't damage me with this it goes away this war. i mean, it goes away and is johnson when he and the is boris johnson when he was on him he just was asked on him and he just said it straight he said it straight away, he said this women are and human this is what women are and human female, but also women and trans men need to be also treated with , safety and respect and have their rights also upheld . so you their rights also upheld. so you can do both. you just have to take a stand and just be honest right. i mean, one to monday's guardian ban , we're told that we guardian ban, we're told that we should look at our phones less, but the government is going to make certainly make that harder certainly for one well, they're going one day. yes well, they're going to trial this system of , one day. yes well, they're going to trial this system of, sending a warning to all of our phones.

if we're in a danger area. a warning to all of our phones. if we're in a danger area . so if if we're in a danger area. so if there's a danger of i don't know a huge flood or a massive fire tory government get going again. be yeah. you're going to get these you're going to get these warnings on your phone and. i mean, i guess it's okay as as there's no kind of mission . you there's no kind of mission. you know, i might get warning about something that's genuinely life threatening, but i hope it doesn't end up with, you know, practise safe sex. or don't forget, it's mother's day connection . yeah. so let's see connection. yeah. so let's see how it goes . yeah. i thought you how it goes. yeah. i thought you would be grateful for me sending those messages on our book the next year . is those messages on our book the next year. is this a little bit like the government's version of that u2 album that. no want and all a sudden they can control all of a sudden they can control your phone? you imagine your phone? go. can you imagine if put both those if they put both of those together? world's and his u2 together? the world's and his u2 his album to see you out. his latest album to see you out. it's terrible . i'm the world's it's terrible. i'm the world's ending. oh i mean, are you worried about it? i'm some big brother data style people say they've got too much control.

you can it if you're you can turn it off if you're good the content of feed. good with the content of feed. want , you get indoors . want to die, you get indoors. no, i think it's good that and they actually say that there isn't these data issues isn't really these data issues because they all they do is they put just the towers put it to that just the towers and phones that connect to and any phones that connect to the will get the the towers will then get the message . it's not actually going message. it's not actually going to know your number, to they won't know your number, your go the your body will just go to the people the danger zone from people in the danger zone from the towers. exactly. but the towers. yeah, exactly. but also, talk also, it's not like they'll talk to your specifically or to your number specifically or get about your number. yeah, i'll just let you go. this towers in area , it's not towers in that area, it's not going josh you're to going say josh you're about to drown would impressive drown. that would be impressive though. get those though. you do get those messages. get those messages. we all get those emails being show emails after being on this show that drown in tears. the that we drown in tears. the i think it's good that we know that the warning going to happen, though, because otherwise but people who otherwise but some people who aren't aware of it will absolutely themselves when absolutely mess themselves when all of a sudden their phone that i it we're all i expose it goes, we're all going die. sorry. yeah going to die. well, sorry. yeah there sort of there should be some sort of warning if warning driving as well. if you're driving and then it's like, look , you're going to get like, look, you're going to get a ticket. now, all i just got

oh, come . no, that's i would pay oh, come. no, that's i would pay off the. well, coming up it's intimacy and divorce insert relationship joke. we'll see you

in two. welcome to headliners monday's guardian ban and a change to divorce law . so is now a good divorce law. so is now a good time to go for it? i hope so. it says the government looking to reform divorce law to make it easier for couples to split up without having to spend an absolute fortune on lawyers because they're going to make it just less complicated, i think. and know as someone who is at some point soon ish going to sadly go through a divorce , i sadly go through a divorce, i hope. does she know i'm? going to tell it tomorrow? no we couldn't do mother's day. i

mean, that's right. now, what happenedis mean, that's right. now, what happened is my wife and i, as i think, you know, we had a trial separation and it worked. so great. and the story i can't believe the producer gave you this story. this is heartbreaking news thing, isn't it, that. yeah wow, that's really . yeah, but i do. but really. yeah, but i do. but someone cries on tv. good ratings . yeah, yeah. go, go . no, ratings. yeah, yeah. go, go. no, listen. why why you breaking up ? i know it didn't. listen. why why you breaking up ? i know it didn't . okay, that's ? i know it didn't. okay, that's good. it wasn't even his exciting as that we grew apart. okay yeah. tectonic drift they said that's not what she said to me. but anyway, whatever . so me. but anyway, whatever. so when changing these rules i mean josh, i'm sure any day now if you if they could sort out the financial side of it would go for it. and this tax as we think that , is that for it. and this tax as we think that, is that what it is? well, yeah, we've my wife and i had been away for the weekend and i think we're going to make it. i think. we're going to make it.

we to each other with kids when they're and we manage to have a conversation. and so is conversation. okay. and so is things are looking hopeful for our future also saying what's happened to ben and has really is the ultimate deterrent really. yeah. see i mean you i mean a year ago. yeah the brown . hair but she got the colour in the balls. yeah. that is , it's the balls. yeah. that is, it's too early to say . yeah but yeah. too early to say. yeah but yeah. but they interesting thing. look the fact is 50 is these, these laws were written ago , 50 years laws were written ago, 50 years ago. they are outdated and women on you know compared to i know a lot of relationships where the women earn more so the idea that thatis women earn more so the idea that that is what it used to be in terms of there's one breadwinner. yeah and that they need to be taking that all the and the other partner needs to be care four years and be taken care of four years and now if look gluten now so many if look gluten intolerant it's not even a breadwinner which is it that kind of is. i see why she left

him nothing as we to monday's daily mail josh and a story about intimacy coordinator is i used to do that for a living and indeed still keep my hand in hey intimacy who made sure cast of normal people felt comfortable dunng normal people felt comfortable during sex scenes helped launch master's degree in the subject ? master's degree in the subject? this will be a two year master degree . and did you watch normal degree. and did you watch normal people ? yes. did you? what did people? yes. did you? what did you think of the scenes? could you think of the scenes? could you i mean did you find them enticing ? i'm not sure. enticing enticing? i'm not sure. enticing is the right word, but it was the intimacy coordinators . yes. the intimacy coordinators. yes. yeah, i think so. yeah i mean, there's a fine line between and art. i think it's about an extra . it takes me . art. i think it's about an extra . it takes me. i like art. i think it's about an extra . it takes me . i like how you . it takes me. i like how you were thrown out of the gallery for the exhibit. who's the exhibit? but yeah, all the genitals are covered. this person is basically i don't know how, it's going to take two years to learn some things here,

though. this is what says it's a o'brien . and this the theatre o'brien. and this the theatre arts and peckham . first of all arts and peckham. first of all i suggest shoot all your is impeccable that's going to say all the sex out of it right that all the sex out of it right that all of the sex scenes in only fools and horses yeah yeah exactly. and she says she says i want the role of intimacy . an want the role of intimacy. an implementation of intimacy guidelines to be mandatory so of course you do . that's your job. course you do. that's your job. yeah. yeah, that's i want i demand that they're mandatory. so i get even when there aren't any sex scenes want it to be mandatory i'm the set mandatory that i'm on the set getting but binge think is getting paid but binge think is a good idea as as we miss it because not only this there's the number of actors involved in this story who have completely differing views it yeah it seem most of the male actors think it's a nonsense you don't need such a thing and a lot of the female actors do believe that it's so i guess , they feel a bit it's so i guess, they feel a bit more exposed and they probably

would be but keep from those male actors in the by the sounds of it they're probably the reason that they're thinking no we probably have someone else in it fellows a it because the fellows wear a sort sock device, sort of little sock device, don't over say don't they, over the id say which way the wind's blowing. yeah i think, i think, i don't know. it must be more difficult to, to, to cover a lady's so they have just so many more lovely bits don't they. they go yeah this all the genitals are covered appropriately during intimate shoots . i like all the intimate shoots. i like all the genitals. come on man, what's the point. i'm not going to go to a cinema anymore. just you want. you want to see just the actor's genitals. whereas the sound the camera guy. and sound guy, the camera guy. and then me. that's a pretty good idea. i think that would make it we the play if everybody we got to the play if everybody naked on set that would that would work. well let's try the next monday's next time i host this monday's times ben and is bad for you not just because it ruins your ear slight with what i. oh yes well this is . a called grace campbell

this is. a called grace campbell made a documentary where she has visited a sex party and she left after an hour, which, you know, she was you know. right. it's not much commitment, is it? what is the etiquette a sex party like? you know, just be, y'know, be mean. it's very and i also you'd want to sort of have a thorough cleaning of your kitchen after you've hosted a sex before any more food is prepared not serve nachos in there on a slightly more serious note and she goes on grace campbell goes on to say that choking that used to be a very niche sort of bdsm activity in the bedroom is now far more mainstream. and a lot of men think that it's a perfectly normal and acceptable thing to be choking their partner during fright and by choking during sex, they mean actually choking in not like way in sport.

sex, they mean actually choking in not like way in sport . when in not like way in sport. when you're just about to take the shot, you can't. yeah. no i mean, yeah, proper, proper hands on and love how you just did the tommy cooper just shut on and love how you just did the tommy cooperjust shut up. but i mean what people do in consensual bedroom activities obviously up to and everyone gets a different kicks different stuff i guess it's just you should ask like anything ask your partner . should ask like anything ask your partner. is that okay if i ring your neck, i don't get the choking thing. i mean, it must be a generational thing and it must for . be be a generational thing and it must for. be yeah. kids of what? because i what what satisfaction doesiti because i what what satisfaction does it i just want some mild outside boobs. no when we were growing up the only people you saw choking each other was big daddy and giant haystacks , so daddy and giant haystacks, so on. so it wasn't right? yeah i mean, i think for a lot of sex, we've got some breasts from big daddy, but that was only during consensual sex between them and yeah, did make saturday yeah, that did make saturday afternoon interesting it afternoon tv more interesting it otherwise is otherwise would have is a problem. have heard problem. do you have heard of grace ? i have to

grace campbell before? i have to admit hadn't. yes mean you admit i hadn't. yes mean you were even going, what, 30 years? yes in 20 plus yes i'll be guy in 20 plus years. began weeks but yeah. years. you began weeks but yeah. and like it's when they go comedian grace and you like i've never heard of this person that famous statistician well they gave it to i did a google and then it turns actually i've been doing it for five whole years . doing it for five whole years. wow. and she's done solo shows. but it's weird when these these comedy take off. but there was a review. the funniest woman and whatever in your life really i've just never seen you down the store and jealous because you didn't get to go to a sex party. was there and i'm the party. i was there and i'm the reason she left after an hour mondays and josh in a brief history of time is wrong. i obviously i spotted the error, but please us what you did indeed a brief history of time is wrong. stephen hawking told, a collaborator . this is what he a collaborator. this is what he announced. he said , changed my announced. he said, changed my life. this is to a colleague , life. this is to a colleague, his thomas hertog in 2000 to call him. as i said, i've my mind my book a brief history

time is written from the wrong perspective. now took him about 30 minutes to you didn't do the voice the time that i did i thought i'd put the piece where the story goes. isn't it ? it the story goes. isn't it? it takes him there. it takes him longer and longer to communicate. i'm glad. first of all, find out that he's all, to find out that he's declared that that book's rubbish, i've i've owned rubbish, because i've i've owned that for 20 years and now that book for 20 years and now i'm grateful, haven't it i'm grateful, haven't read it because has because that's that book has been i've tried been on my bookshelf. i've tried to read once. you know, to read it once. you know, you're old science you're a big old science clever bloke. probably bloke. whatever you probably read favourite read, probably your favourite book, it 20 times, book, you've read it 20 times, whatever. i've tried read whatever. but i've tried to read it. this ain't it. i was like, this ain't happening. history of haven't got exactly so now, got time. yeah, exactly so now, now it's now he says 20 years, by i it wrong. i'm by the way i got it wrong. i'm just like , what result. just like, what a result. yeah, but it turns out that him and his this colleague wrote a book, but is a bit sad because he had a much harder to communicate as time on. he had use his time went on. he had to use his like cheek and eventually he he couldn't at all. but this guy is saying that he would still stand in him go yes, in front of him and go like yes, no and be to tell from the glint

of eyes . then i'm thinking , of his eyes. then i'm thinking, i think he wrote this book. yeah, it's just projection . he's yeah, it's just projection. he's just guess. yeah ben, just having a guess. yeah ben, your my somehow the your take on my somehow the universal constants managed to land in a way let life form land in a way that let life form what this kind of thought was the problem with the perspective the problem with the perspective the book i, i didn't follow that part of it i was more sort of drawn in by the story of these two men and how they tried to communicate . at least you've got communicate. at least you've got that in common with professor stephen it great, stephen hawking. isn't it great, though, to though, that he was willing to admit made mistake though, that he was willing to ad|that made mistake though, that he was willing to ad|that scale? made mistake though, that he was willing to ad|that scale? yeah.ie mistake though, that he was willing to ad|that scale? yeah. as mistake though, that he was willing to ad|that scale? yeah. as faristake though, that he was willing to ad|that scale? yeah. as far as|ke on that scale? yeah. as far as his new book. yeah, for 20 years. this new of years. so he's got this new of the cosmos, one that could better account for the emergence of life . spoiler alert. turns of life. spoiler alert. turns out god . coming up after the out god. coming up after the break. aeroplane refunds , break. aeroplane refunds, erections and mind reading be is seen a bit bit.

welcome back to headliners. monday's mail josh and wizz air . it was more like swissair for a while. hey a father revealed how he got wizz air to pay him £4,500 for cancelling his family houday £4,500 for cancelling his family holiday to portugal. after months of chasing a refund by sending bailiffs to luton airport . so that is the story. airport. so that is the story. this is russell. he's a property expert from essex. he's a talk . expert from essex. he's a talk. talk tv presenter. well, i thought, oh, my, i know i'm on twitter. never heard of. so what's talk tv ? there's another what's talk tv? there's another channel. could talk tv we should at a—level. they why am i being given the story we shouldn't be mentioning this other channel and then he says these are the £6,000 non—preferred on the ball hotel . they pay for these hotel. they pay for these courses. how much do they pay you at this strong tv ? wow. he's

you at this strong tv? wow. he's doing a lot of cooking with wizz air. oh, yeah, yeah , that costs air. oh, yeah, yeah, that costs it. yeah. okay, fine fair enough. but essentially it's quite the story. he just went after them. he was like they fly. so first of all, he got that money back. but then he was like, wait a minute i had buy like, wait a minute i had to buy new that were £2,500 new flights that were £2,500 instead of seven under quid. and also lost the two days of the houday also lost the two days of the holiday or something, you know, for the two rooms and all the other stuff . and they sort of other stuff. and they sort of tried to fight him , which is tried to fight him, which is what they do. he basically what they do. and he basically took them to court. they didn't contest took them to court. they didn't con'the and went to the got the bailiffs and went to the airport well, can airport and said, well, we can take whatever to this . and take or whatever up to this. and it all cost of about 180 quid plus you have 90 quit for the court case and only six acquitted in the easyjet did this me about ten years ago and i didn't see it through at. and now i'm thinking. can i. is there a statute of limitations because i'm at about 60 quid and i want see this thing through. you'd pay 60 quid to receive 60 quid just to watch them. have they. then i'll get an

they. but then maybe i'll get an article , the mail, and article, the daily mail, and they'll say . tv news presenter they'll say. tv news presenter josh howie. yeah they can talk about it on other place if there is a place which. yeah which doesn't exist. mondays daily. my daily star actually . and i'm not daily star actually. and i'm not the only one who's aroused by the only one who's aroused by the word terminal . so this is the word terminal. so this is the word terminal. so this is the this guy a is a not a no. no no, he's not. he is anonymous. anonymous on a sex chat on reddit, which is, again , i've reddit, which is, again, i've never used . he says he always never used. he says he always gets an erection . he goes on gets an erection. he goes on a plane but it's you'll see it's meant to be in an upright position . right. so but this i position. right. so but this i mean, this could be a particularly unpleasant thing if you were a pilot, i imagine, if this happened. does he work for talk? so. i was talk? i don't think so. i was going to say that's probably why they cockpit. must they call it a cockpit. it must be quite inconvenient if you always an erection when always get an erection when you're on an aeroplane. i not being able to put your tray table down, for instance, a table down, for instance, is a big thing. would they

big thing. what would they charge me? but lots of things swell up there anyway. when you're on a plane, you see people taking their shoes off quite a lot on north of that. the main , you know, and then on the main, you know, and then on you. if you do that for medical reasons. yeah, i'm sorry. i've got to. i'm afraid of getting a blood clot down the wrong and a thrombosis and the you normally see it with yoghurts , the lid of see it with yoghurts, the lid of a yoghurt is bulbous because the air pressure . so is that what air pressure. so is that what you think it is. the slightly lower pressure. that's what it is . yeah, i think he's just is. yeah, i think he's just a perv just likes wings . it's perv just likes wings. it's a great story though . it. no great story though. it. no i think he just likes being deliver free alcohol by attractive stewardesses. oh really . that does it for me. really. that does it for me. i don't know. i didn't even know what call . that's why they what call. that's why they printed off all of the things i wrote on reddit . that's the wrote on reddit. that's the vibrations of the motors what some people seem to be. they go all scientific on this wonderful . yep then vibrate another . . yep then vibrate another. people are like when i was a kid it was on the being on the bus.

yeah. yeah. that shows it's different generation. our generation, was all about generation, it was all about buses , whatnot. these buses, whatnot. but these kids today, know how they today, they don't know how they got planes . disgusting. got it with planes. disgusting. monday daily mail just librarians are doing some under the counter sure are uncensored it enid blyton books without stated language are being stashed in off limits spaces by librarians along with pictures , librarians along with pictures, aeroplanes and yeah, this is what they're doing they've there's supposedly that on the computer system but the librarians felt for the safety of all of us of taking these books away and sort of hid them hidden. you have kind of hidden. so you have kind of request them from online. no more yeah, more trigger warnings. yeah, trigger yeah. if you do if trigger. yeah. and if you do if you to, it says beware. you do want to, it says beware. this might fat or wonder this book might fat or wonder what you going to say then in my world slow down it's you have all the words and all the sounds pick. so but it seems like pick. yeah so but it seems like enid blyton's books you wasn't she wasn't it. yes . jerry 700

she wasn't it. yes. jerry 700 books. so that's a lot of books and that was some dodgy language in there and whatnot . so george, in there and whatnot. so george, she wants spanking , she wants a she wants spanking, she wants a good talking to and they've changed that to. oh sorry . changed that to. oh sorry. where's george. she wants spanking and they've changed that to she wants a good talking to and then next edition is she wants a good choking . and he has wants a good choking. and he has to have what's the story by the way to get that reference adding this billy ben the fact this all out back to see of the it's it is easy to hear these and think oh it's you know it's wokeism but some some of the language when you actually read it is a bit shocking . i can't believe bit shocking. i can't believe even then that didn't say that's not very nice you know, some of the ways people were described. so i think it's i think it's okay to perhaps a little bit with those things. but generally, my instinct is to not with literature is not to do that but i guess children's

books have slightly different thing because of the way children can be influenced and like that. so, you know, maybe there's a different argument and noddyis there's a different argument and noddy is about as far i got noddy is about as far as i got beyond myself isn't it. yeah, it was lots of so it was like no i read not a lot but i'm still not to read that that that science book that's been on my show for 20 years, that's my level. noddy there was that challenge at, the start of the year of reading a book a week which found really easy because i've got a one year book a week which found really easyso cause i've got a one year book a week which found really easyso the ;e i've got a one year book a week which found really easyso the books got a one year book a week which found really easyso the books got readingaar book a week which found really easyso the books got reading to old. so the books i'm reading to him, great. so him, i'm counting, great. so i've it. what i've managed to do it. what challenge was think challenge is that? it was think was an everyone doing was an everyone everyone's doing the resolution the whole new year's resolution you this one a week you hear about this one a week telling a book year would be. telling a book a year would be. yeah go ten yeah honestly if you go for ten little little. was little fingers ten little. i was hungry caterpillar romping hungry is caterpillar am romping through really at through them i'm really at monday's been possibly the monday's metro been possibly the reason that professor stephen hawkins managed to mess up that book is a robotic expert book so this is a robotic expert and entrepot seth jackson and he's created a bear that you can

operate just using your mind. oh, good i, i can't believe this is true. is it true ? claims to is true. is it true? claims to be true. yes. in the metro . so be true. yes. in the metro. so it has to be. it's really where i think about a thing and i can make a physical thing. i i that blows my mind , you know , you blows my mind, you know, you can't better do it. but he says you can take the glass in just using your mind with this robot machine and pull embed and the better you get at thinking it, the better you'll be. it will turn out . and it's called this turn out. and it's called this system, i guess it's you know named after the simpsons. it's a comet. it's a bit of fun isn't it. if it's true . and he says he it. if it's true. and he says he is hoping the machine inspire young people to get into engineering after they finished rehab. yeah, the thing about it is , your first and second pair is, your first and second pair might pull very well, but it's all over the floor like something also. we don't need it. i think it cannot be said

out loud here. i've thought to myself, oh, if only i could pull myself, oh, if only i could pull myself a drink without using my hands. yeah. no i mean, we've got enough across to use them. good things not for. oh, look at fancy pint that pauses. so why don't do the thing don't we just do the thing where, like, they, they have some system where where, like, they, they have som guy system where where, like, they, they have som guy goes system where where, like, they, they have som guy goes onto system where where, like, they, they have som guy goes onto asystem where where, like, they, they have som guy goes onto a plane where where, like, they, they have som guy goes onto a plane andere this guy goes onto a plane and then the next right gets the exactly right and lifts up . exactly right and lifts up. well, the show is thankfully nearly over. let's take another quick at monday's pages. quick look at monday's pages. the mail euro judges set the daily mail euro judges set to back down on of rwanda flights . the to back down on of rwanda flights. the guardian health union in push to reject nhs pay deal the times toxic met face is being broken up the express rwanda is euro caught down and the metro with boris's deadly dose here and finally the daily star springs on hold folks police and those were your front pages. police and those were your front pages . and that's all we have pages. and that's all we have time for. thank you. to my guests, josh howie and ben norris , tune in tomorrow where norris, tune in tomorrow where simon evans will joined by frances foster and nick dixon.

and remember, if you're watching the 5 am. repeat, stay tuned for the breakfast show because that way next the next that is on its way next the next time. have a good .

channel good evening , tatiana sanchez in good evening, tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom, the home secretary says rwanda is ready to receive migrant and soon she hopes to start deportation flights by the summer. hopes to start deportation flights by the summer . suella flights by the summer. suella braverman has continued her visit to rwanda, where earlier today she met with students from keppler , a non—profit university keppler, a non—profit university where at least 25% of its students are refugees . ms. students are refugees. ms. braverman also attended a street fair which was organised to celebrate commonwealth day , the celebrate commonwealth day, the uk and rwanda are vowing to step

up efforts to tackle migration . up efforts to tackle migration. the agreement between the two countries has been expanded to include all illegal migrants and not just asylum seekers . not just asylum seekers. progress is being made rapid , progress is being made rapid, early and i'm really confident on the back of the progress that i've seen here in kigali that we will be able to operationalise this world leading agreement very , very soon. the big point very, very soon. the big point here is that there will be a package of high quality humanitarian and support for people who will be relocated to rwanda . that combined with our rwanda. that combined with our robust new laws, will be able will enable us to break the business of the people smuggling gangs. business of the people smuggling gangs . now the deal with rwanda gangs. now the deal with rwanda has cost £140 million, which shadow levelling up? secretary lisa nandy says could have been better spent . we think you better spent. we think you should take that money, put it into the national crime agency, create a cross—border cell that disrupts the criminal gangs and