efforts to tackle migration . up efforts to tackle migration. the agreement between the two countries has been expanded to include all illegal migrants and not just asylum seekers . not just asylum seekers. progress is being made rapid , progress is being made rapid, early and i'm really confident on the back of the progress that i've seen here in kigali that we will be able to operationalise this world leading agreement very , very soon. the big point very, very soon. the big point here is that there will be a package of high quality humanitarian and support for people who will be relocated to rwanda . that combined with our rwanda. that combined with our robust new laws, will be able will enable us to break the business of the people smuggling gangs. business of the people smuggling gangs . now the deal with rwanda gangs. now the deal with rwanda has cost £140 million, which shadow levelling up.7 secretary lisa nandy says could have been better spent . we think you better spent. we think you should take that money, put it into the national crime agency, create a cross—border cell that disrupts the criminal gangs and

send the clear , responsible send the clear, responsible message to those criminal gangs that their behaviour won't be tolerated and that will bring them to account should they persist . instead, we've had more persist. instead, we've had more and more of the tough talk from this government. and last year the boat crossings hit record the boat crossings hit a record high of 45,000 is not working. and it's about time the government recognised that boris johnson will publish evidence in his defence over allegations he misled parliament out on party gains. he's expected to submit a dossier to the commons privileges committee tomorrow before being questioned by mp on wednesday. the investigation is being chaired by labour's harriet harman, but the panel has a conservative majority and the king has paid tribute to the late queen on the first mother's day since her death last september. the royal family tweeted a picture of king charles as a baby standing on the queen's lap , a picture of the queen's lap, a picture of the queen's lap, a picture of the queen's lap, a picture of the queen consort with her mother was also posted . the mother was also posted. the prince and princess of wales

shared a picture of their children with kate with a message saying happy mother's day from our family to yours. to onune day from our family to yours. to online and steve, plus the radio . this is a gb news that was over to free speech nation . over to free speech nation. oxfam tackles the evils of the colonial english language. donald trump claims about to be arrested and netflix's supports the plight of non—binary bison. this is free speech nation . this is free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. this is a show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we're going to be keeping you updated on latest antics those on the latest antics of those delightful warriors. delightful culture warriors. which means we're in for a very busy hours. coming on the

busy 2 hours. coming up on the show heyday of lads show tonight, the heyday of lads magazines us, but magazines be long behind us, but some think they're some people think they're to blame rise in toxic blame for the rise in toxic misogyny. we're going to be asking, that indeed true. asking, if that is indeed true. a lecturer in international law will be here us about will be here to tell us about the significance of the arrest warrant issued against vladimir the significance of the arrest warra|by ssued against vladimir the significance of the arrest warra|by ssuelnternationalidimir putin by the international criminal court. putin by the international criminal court . we'll the criminal court. we'll ask if the demise of the silicon valley bank means that so—called woke capitalism has failed. and myself and my wonderful panel will be answering questions from. this delightful studio audience all a much more audience, all that a much more tonight on free speech nation. but first, my studio this but first, my studio guests this evening jonathan kogan evening are jonathan kogan and frances . welcome welcome frances foster. welcome welcome both having you. as long since. i'm very well. how are you, andrew? mediocre. i would say, yeah. 9. you've got a show coming up, haven't you? yes, i'm doing a show at the etc. theatre on april the fifth. i think this wednesday or the sixth, one of the two. some people play massive but i played massive theatres, but i played the smallest theatre, i should say. it's in london, the theatre, it's in i theatre, it's in camden, i think, isn't it? there's

think, isn't it? and there's about seats in that 40 to 42. about 50 seats in that 40 to 42. it's a big time for you. it is. it's a big time for you. it is. it is. what's wrong with that? you play you normally. five tickets still available, 42. it's going to be wonderful. i'm all for that. if we're trying to sell it, jonathan, so you're going me some show. going to give me some some show. there'll some good as there'll be some good people as well me. well it wouldn't just be me. yes, going to be wonderful. yes, it's going to be wonderful. i'm doing good. i'm i'm covered in cat have been playing with the did you do the cat today. why did you do that? day. your that? mother's day. your mother's day. you the mother's day. so you take the cat. yes, right. it cat. yes, quite right. it doesn't sense. but i'm doesn't make any sense. but i'm going to leave it on. leave it at that and move on. i the cryptic opening to the show. let's questions let's start with some questions from we've got from the audience. we've got a question from vanda. vanda question here from vanda. vanda yeah. hello. hello has oxfam gone too mhm. oxfam gone too far. mhm. now oxfam have this have been all over the news this week because of course they have a, this is a charity of course have an inclusive have issued an inclusive language guide which had been circulating amongst their workers but all workers for a long time. but all of a sudden it's out there, it's been published and some of the suggestions a odd. so suggestions are a bit odd. so they're saying that word they're saying that the word parents used parents should be used instead of. father, people

of. mother and father, people who pregnant to be used who become pregnant to be used instead expectant mothers . instead of expectant mothers. but also sort of but they've also sort of outlawed like local and outlawed words like local and even people . frances, what's even people. frances, what's going on? right. so this is my theory on it. so oxfam have published this very well guide about what you can and can't say in that it will not headquarters anymore . in one of their bases, anymore. in one of their bases, they did say headquarters. yes, absolutely. because that's fascist . but you absolutely. because that's fascist. but you might remember a year ago they had a sex scandal, then they did. yeah, they so i'm thinking they did. so i'm thinking they've brought this out. so you know, if your employees are indulging in a bit of groping, groping , they're not going to groping, they're not going to get the wrong pronouns , which is get the wrong pronouns, which is the important far the most important thing. far more and more more important and far more important, because more offensive the obvious . this offensive than the obvious. this is weird. there was no because jonathan they're claiming that they're inclusive. they're just being inclusive. okay well, i actually used to work for did you? yeah, work for oxfam. did you? yeah, i was haiti to organise was a guy in haiti to organise all the prostitutes. it was a yeah. now, what do i think about this now? i've never had a job,

obviously, but i think. yeah, it's obviously, just trying to jump it's obviously, just trying to jump on the bandwagon. it's a bunch of good press in quotes. is though , because a lot of is it though, because a lot of people that are saying they're not give to money oxfam not going to give to money oxfam anymore. know, the anymore. and, you know, the thing say that is thing is, they say that this is inclusive, it's to be inclusive, it's going to be polarising. certainly but it's not inclusive. it's opposite not inclusive. it's the opposite of for of inclusive because for instance, oxfam, instance, if you work for oxfam, not in the way that you not not not in the way that you did, people who actually work oxfam, problem there oxfam, the problem there is they might this might not support this ideological you ideological approach, this you know, they might not support saying women. instead saying women. and instead of women or cis or anything like that. so where does that leave those employees? i mean, some of them anonymously them have been anonymously saying really saying that they don't really feel work because they feel safe at work because they can't opinions. can't express their opinions. well and this well this is a problem and this goes to the very heart of the problem with this ideology, where have a charity like where you have a charity like oxfam spending, of money oxfam spending, a lot of money on this of nonsense, when on this type of nonsense, when in it could and should be in fact, it could and should be spent the very spent on helping the very poorest in the world. poorest people in the world. that's it for. well that's what it was for. well no, it's work. it's not it's about work. no, it's not any more, is it? i mean, that's what it used to be for, but not anymore. this is something that

peter the peter boghosian said. the philosophy is about philosophy in american is about how institution becomes how when an institution becomes captured it captured by an ideology, then it ceases of function for ceases to sort of function for its purpose. what you're its true purpose. what you're saying is go work, go broke, basically work insofar as it basically go work insofar as it would promoting this would just stop promoting this idea world instead of idea of the world instead of doing it's meant be doing what it's meant to be doing. is clearly doing. and this is clearly what's happened, that's what's happened, and that's certainly stop certainly going to i guess stop people from wanting to donate, which means the people who need it going less it are going to have less funding. right, exactly. it's it are going to have less funtgood right, exactly. it's it are going to have less funtgood rigianyone.ly. it's it are going to have less funtgood rigianyone. okay. well not good for anyone. okay. well we're going to on to we're going to move on to another this one's another question now. this one's from john? hi, from john. where's john? hi, john. i'm good. john. hi, how are you? i'm good. i'm good. should they get i'm good. good. should they get marlboros bit on the case? the elgin marbles, this whole question. but this come question. but this has come up again rishi again this week because rishi sunak has said that the elgin marbles return marbles will never return permanently the permanently to greece. the marbles, have been marbles, of course, have been a long bone of contention between between and the uk. been between and the uk. they've been in museum for a long in the british museum for a long time. incredible. i time. they are incredible. i mean, i it's because we mean, i think it's because we looked them . i mean, who ? looked after them. i mean, who? well. well, this is the question . i mean, it is absolutely true that they had the marbles stayed on the parthenon . yeah. through

on the parthenon. yeah. through all time, they have all that time, they would have been a in water, been depleted by a in water, that kind of thing. they were preserved. however, 100 preserved. however, about 100 years the british museum years ago, the british museum did a terrible cleaning on did a terrible cleaning job on them and actually them. them and actually damaged them. yeah. sure. but yeah. so i'm not so sure. but you're your a patriot. do you think we should keep the think that we should keep the things plundered we things that we plundered we should keep here? look, we found it. keep it. we've it. that's it. we keep it. we've it. that's how it works, doesn't it? his papers. i'm torn on this one. i mean, lord elgin apparently did have permission from the then owners of marbles , the owners of the marbles, the ottoman empire. right. and so , ottoman empire. right. and so, therefore, not the case therefore, it's not the case that were plundered. really that they were plundered. really however, , i've been to however, however, i've been to the acropolis museum . i've been the acropolis museum. i've been in athens. in athens. the acropolis museum. i've been in athens. in athens . and i do in athens. in athens. and i do think that if the marbles were there , there would be a they there, there would be a they would have more impact. there would have more impact. there would a kind heightened would be a kind of heightened poetic system to them being in the location. they have to the location. they have meant to be okay no, i can be torn. torn. okay no, i can understand. another understand. i mean, another i was thinking about. what does it mean to ownership something mean to ownership over something like that? because it's not necessarily people or necessarily the same people or even descendants same even the descendants of the same people who created it built it.

so actually like so how would you actually like to something. yeah. and i suppose the rules with suppose one of the rules with the museum, i mean museums around world, they around the world, if they started sort of sending back everything it'd everything that was once it'd just shop, it was just just be a gift shop, it was just the gift shop, which is great. i like a good gift shop here, but it would kind of never eat. most museums i mean, i'll museums wouldn't. i mean, i'll be with you, was, oh, be honest with you, was, oh, onune be honest with you, was, oh, online of online more on the side of giving to greece because giving it back to greece because the last time i went to the british museum they have gone so woke back have they. woke is on the back have they. absolutely so i went to a absolutely so now i went to a goddess who's in exhibition. yes. all that . yeah. and so you yes. all that. yeah. and so you walk around and you think, oh, this is really nice. and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere comes her comedian podcast star p0ps comes her comedian podcast star pops up. i'm not going to say the name. and then when i really like the spirit, because they are known joking. no, i'm no joke. and you know what? this is a hindu spirit. joke. and you know what? this is a hindu spirit . 2000 years ago, a hindu spirit. 2000 years ago, you have a what? where it's pronoun. yeah, exactly. this is ridiculous . pronoun. yeah, exactly. this is ridiculous. no, this is happening more and more with museums and what it's very good,

but you get sort of plaques that are sort of attached to paintings lecturing you about what an evil person the artist was. yeah. was a weird one of the hogarth exhibition at tate where they had a self portrait of, hogarth on a chair and there was to it saying the was a sign to it saying the chair made wood and would chair was made of wood and would probably from the probably came from the plantation. relate plantation. and these relate to slavery. chair . i plantation. and these relate to slavery. chair. i don't slavery. it's a chair. i don't need have this lecturing all need to have this lecturing all the time about all this. i know slavery bad, i don't need slavery bad, right? i don't need to. you work at gb news so my 8008 explained. outrageous right? such bigotry from frances foster. that is what we've come to expect. but we've got a question now from danny where he's done a high hi camera. how are very thank are you? i'm very well, thank you. my question is, do you think donald trump big donald trump will be arrested this we all trump but you, a mate all only trump but you, a mate of his. yeah, he. well, you know , going to be , he thinks he's going to be arrested. went to on social arrested. he went to on social media platform. it's called truth social. says he thinks media platform. it's called truth goingl. says he thinks media platform. it's called truth going to says he thinks media platform. it's called truth going to be ;ays he thinks media platform. it's called truthgoing to be arrested 1inks media platform. it's called truthgoing to be arrested on

stormy daniels the well let's the adult film star be euphemistic about it i mean but there's lots sort of sources there's lots of sort of sources are of suggesting are sort of suggesting that trump be arrested. trump is going to be arrested. good or bad thing, good thing or bad thing, jonathan, a crime jonathan, if he's done a crime and he's he's guilty, then and he's and he's guilty, then definitely good right? definitely a good thing, right? if he if he's in is innocent of this thing, then he shouldn't be arrested. mean, presumably arrested. i mean, presumably he's posting social he's he's posting on social because wants getting because he he wants his getting ahead he's ahead of ahead of it. maybe he's ahead of it. he wants his it. but i think he wants his followers to think that is followers to think that he is innocent. right? okay. innocent. right? probably. okay. if i was getting i wouldn't i would tell fewer people as would tell as fewer people as possible a part trump's possible if a part of trump's schtick that schtick is this idea that there's conspiracies there's mass conspiracies against that the election against him, that the election was he's doing the was stolen and he's doing the agitate thing. he's like, god, the matrix coming for me. and then from. then they get my came from. yeah. do you think of yeah. so what do you think of this? well i it's this? well i think it's interesting because i don't think to happen and think it's going to happen and i don't they're going don't and they're going to arrest because looked arrest him because i've looked into this story and it's the fact that he gave payments to an aduu fact that he gave payments to an adult star. yes and that is adult film star. yes and that is adult film star. yes and that is a that he's going to be a reason that he's going to be arrested. there person on arrested. is there any person on the planet who doesn't think gave to a star? there's

gave money to a star? there's this little twist. nobody will know that he did it . we've all know that he did it. we've all got it. yeah, well , except what got it. yeah, well, except what about trump and, you know, all of us have worked for you. you are admitting way too much in crisis. i've not got shoes on. it's not sex. you haven't got any shoes on. i want a tv show. igave any shoes on. i want a tv show. i gave him to a star. hasn't sex is ridiculous. okay, sorry. carry on. but so. so. no i don't think so. but what i think trump is trying to do is he's trying to appeal to his base. he's trying to galvanise his base because he wants to run again for office. we all know that. and stands a good chance and he stands a very good chance of he does get of doing if he does get arrested. i think it might arrested. so i think it might even him. i think it will even help him. i think it will as well. but the only thing it's because if he arrested, because if he gets arrested, this this is this is not this is politicising. yeah. in every shape. because the reality shape. yeah because the reality is any other president, if they had done that would have happened them. yeah nothing. happened to them. yeah nothing. well, w bush starts in well, george w bush starts in illegal war. yeah, that was pretty bad. yes pretty much. that's much worse . and sleeping that's much worse. and sleeping

with stormy among a few quid. very interesting. i still can't get over the fact you're not wearing shoes. i don't like that. it's it's very bizarre. are you doing, like, a huckleberry? like you just think you should wander around you should just wander around grounding? i'm grounding is grounding? i'm grounding my. is that does? that what you mark dolan does? he in the street? oh, what a hippy. no no, i'm. no, no, i just, i just i just went and i don't want that on tv, but i felt like i've drawn attention to it really. i'm like, i'm to it now really. i'm like, i'm not trump of this this not the trump of this show. this is much. they're not to let is too much. they're not to let you run your eyes. i'm going to mention this all anyway. mention this all night anyway. so a question now from so okay, got a question now from liam. liam? there. liam. where is liam? hi there. my liam. where is liam? hi there. my did the right film when best picture oscar. yeah been a lot of chats about this film. everything at everything everywhere all at once, won the oscar for once, which won the oscar for best a whole best picture wasn't a whole bunch oscars. this is bunch of oscars. this is apparently i know haven't seen apparently i know i haven't seen this a scientific film this film it's a scientific film in chinese in which a middle aged chinese immigrant america finds immigrant to america finds herself universes. herself in multiple universes. it to me, but it sounds quite to me, but apparently not very good. so there was an article this week by what was name, brian by what was his name, brian viner in the daily mail, talking about how, look, this isn't

actually good film. actually a very good film. everyone it isn't really everyone knows it isn't really a good more about good film, but it's more about the message of diversity and inclusion that makes this film, that rewards film with the that rewards the film with the oscar. is like this has oscar. but this is like this has happened and years and happened for years and years and years. rare the years. it's very rare that the best film wins, best film, you know, often be know, it's often it should be just called fashionable just called most fashionable film. actually was film. well, i actually was really as well frequently the really as well is frequently the best was never the best best film was never the best film because it was normally the best director from last year who did the best film . yeah, yeah. did the best film. yeah, yeah. you couldn't win it because it was the director from the year before. they needed to reward . before. they needed to reward. so it's exactly like that. but think the bigger question is, does anyone really care about the oscars? no, don't. the oscars? no, they don't. i mean, no one really watches it. anyone it's really anyone do they know? it's really boring. funny. bunch boring. it's funny. bunch of psychopaths, millionaires, all on benzodiazepines, just clapping other. clapping each other. it's terrible. i that terrible. yeah. i mean, that sounds funny. to be sounds funny. i'm going to be honest, but is it good? i mean, i remember back in the day, i remember when brokeback mountain was against there's was up against crash and there's two. course, brokeback two. and of course, brokeback mountain infinitely mountain was an infinitely better yeah, but crash better film. yeah, but crash one, was fine, but it

one, a crash was fine, but it was a of sunday afternoon. was a sort of sunday afternoon. i about i watch and forget about that kind and mountain was kind of film and mountain was a much but because it was about issues that, they particularly wanted to address that. it wanted to address that. yeah it won weird kind of won and it was a weird kind of it was very strange. i thought, i don't expect the oscars to reward film. i just reward the best film. i just know the is as well know because and the is as well the incredibly you the oscars is incredibly you have out you to campaign have to go out you to campaign you have to talk to the academy the people the members of the academy. it takes time. academy. it takes a long time. they're all there . right. they're all in there. right. and you've keep reminding you've got to keep reminding them because will be no i. them because there will be no i. so when i was in hollywood, i saw these posters up on the all around the town saying, look at this film for your consideration. was the phrase and these posts. other and all these posts. so in other words, advertise words, they basically advertise this give an this saying to people, give an award, please, you know, they're having have for it having to have canvas for if it was film people would was the best film people would just give it the award. the one who actually deserves an oscar is the is will smith for making the oscars make oscars interesting. it did make it interesting, but i think everyone again, yeah, they did. got ovation. grace everyone again, yeah, they did. got i ovation. grace everyone again, yeah, they did. got i can't ovation. grace everyone again, yeah, they did. got i can't believe tion. grace everyone again, yeah, they did. got i can't believe hili. grace everyone again, yeah, they did. got i can't believe hit someone oh, i can't believe hit someone and an award to send and then got an award to send a 20 minute speech. i was just

dancing it later on as if i did that right, if it dragged me off in cuffs. yeah. you know, i mean, i met smith's a lot mean, i met will smith's a lot more than me, but even more talented than me, but even so, it's madness. yeah, so, like, it's madness. yeah, but, you know, good on. no good on chris because actually, on chris rock, because actually, he really held his pace there. he you see he did. you see did you see a special. didn't. he talked special. no, i didn't. he talked about in the is about it in the show is brilliant. i thought he was brilliant. but i thought he was great because, you know, he didn't seem fazed hit didn't seem fazed by being hit at and it was the at the oscars. and it was the most and this is a guy who played muhammad ali will is he's he's pretty strong yeah yeah absolutely that absolutely we need more of that at it more at oscars to make it more interesting. so we should have a hit. it should just be lots of people okay. we've people fighting. okay. we've got a jackie. where's a question from jackie. where's jackie? your jackie? hello what's your question, jackie? have you ever been impersonated by on been impersonated by someone on onlyfans? okay onlyfans? on onlyfans. oh, okay . i'm not sure if i've been impersonated on any funds. i don't think they'd make much money, but this is because of adrian chiles. so adrian chiles this week revealed that a man has been impersonating so he's sort of look alike . but on sort of look alike. but on onlyfans so there's a guy in

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welcome back to a free speech nafion welcome back to a free speech nation with me, andrew doyle may now seem like something of a relic of a bygone age. but back in the 1990, so—called lads mags did huge business magazines such as fat, loaded and nuts which provided a mixture of humour soft and serious articles. and they sold thousands of copies . they sold thousands of copies. but was it fairly harmless fun ?

but was it fairly harmless fun? flick everett used to work for him and wrote a piece in the mail this week voicing her concerns that the creation of a landmark culture led to a generation of toxic misogynists. so joining to discuss this, i am delighted to welcome the journalist martin daubney, who used to edit loaded magazine and the tv personality and broadcaster precious muir. welcome back and precious. can i ask you first, what is your take on these lad mags? i mean, i wasn't the target audience presume you were the target audience, but do you think? they were. i was of the talent. so obviously i have like the perspective of talent side perspective of the talent side where chosen to do where i was chosen to do something that i at the time was very empowering . i mean, i got very empowering. i mean, i got a platform where i was able to pose for maxim. playboy. yes, i mean, those days we didn't have access to instagram, social media, so we couldn't access those companies. yes. so the way that we got selected was through an agency process. and to be selected it was it was like an

accomplishment. it was a big goal accomplishment. it was a big goal. so i'm on the team and i'm very proud of did anyone at the time ever say to you, you know, don't you feel exploited any way? or did you feel that in any way? or did you feel that in any way? i mean, the industry is full of the weinstein and the jeffrey epstein's all jeffrey epstein's and all of that stuff. mean, we are going that stuff. i mean, we are going to up against that. this is to come up against that. this is the industry. the entertainment industry. at the entertainment industry. at the the day, have the end of the day, you have kind and, go through kind of navigate and, go through the as best you can as the industry as best you can as a talent and try to keep your morals and respect self—respect to to go through this to be able to go through this industry because it is tough it is so precious feels is very tough. so precious feels that you know your choice. yeah, it was your choice . and i was it was your choice. and i was very proud to do it and i would do it again. and martin was on the other side. because you were, of course, the editor of loaded, magazine. so at the loaded, the magazine. so at the time same way that time you feel the same way that pressure has expressed here, that, is that, you know, this is completely justifiable. this isn't creating a toxic culture. yeah. back to the yeah. if you go back to the actual itself, you know, men actual era itself, you know, men were about women were pretty clueless about women and they yeah. yeah, and they they were. yeah. yeah, exactly . but they were getting exactly. but they were getting information women the

information about women from the problem women's problem pages of women's magazines . well, did. adg magazines. well, it did. adg yeah. the men's initially yeah. so the men's initially became a sort of. haynes manual. yeah. how unpack this yeah. how to unpack this confusing called the women confusing thing called the women . spend a bit more . i'd like to spend a bit more time with and actually flick who i to commission, if that's i used to commission, if that's part me . the toxic page. i part of me. the toxic page. i sent her miami to interview sent her to miami to interview lenny i'm sort of being lenny kravitz. i'm sort of being so sexist. i mean, that that's actually great job. she loved that. she was a good writer and she used to write about sex relationships from a women's perspective to young men perspective to educate young men and how to be better. yes it wasn't at all misogynistic or sex, however. well, we get political environment at the time was , extremely toxic time was, extremely toxic against them. yeah. so cancer didn't exist until 2013 when a very powerful group of feminists activists called lose the landmines campaign started charging into the agm of supermarket is terrifying. advertisers going to be ripping the magazines off. they were really good. they social media

and they scared the pants off of our publishers who went into their bunkers and it became a real political thing. david cameron got involved. yes. our prime minister. then it became part of the matrix, the men's magazines were feeding this toxic online. therefore it's just as bad. and i reflected back when i left. so i became a and as it was was i part of this because my had been subjected to domestic violence and to be accused of my magazine have been feeding that was a terrible thing to hear. can i bring partners in on this? because is this possible that, know, this possible that, you know, because magazines seem to because the magazines seem to promote certain idea of what promote a certain idea of what it means a male, what it it means to be a male, what it means to be a boy , that actually means to be a boy, that actually it might been more, it might have been the more, let's say unpleasant aspects of masculinity, you think that's possible? i feel if possible? well, i feel like if a is going to be sexist, it doesn't matter how the woman is stressed. mean, at the end, stressed. i mean, at the end, the day, it's to the the day, it's down to the individual man to change how he is and he perceives. women, is and how he perceives. women, women. going to change women. i'm not going to change who to please another man

who i am to please another man so he can then decide to treat me. be able to be me. but i should be able to be who am. and men should know who i am. and men should know how to that. how to adjust to that. i shouldn't have to change who i am, stop being beautiful or or standing front a standing in front of a photographer to pictures photographer to take pictures for magazines. because for these magazines. because then will learn how to then they will learn how to treat because makes sense. treat me. because makes sense. that's an argument for individual agency. completely individual agency. i completely support but support and understand, but i suppose the counterargument would be well, magazines were aimed men who are still aimed at young men who are still sort of formulating way in sort of formulating their way in the is going be the world. this is going to be in a it's evolved basically now got. this isn't got nothing got. so this isn't got nothing to do with how things perceived now things are going to change it's evolved. so now the difference we've got the internet. so the accessibility of these kind of images will make no sense in a magazine. so this never work now, but this would never work now, but in the we never had access in the past we never had access to. instagram social to. instagram exercise, social media. so things have changed. and now i can actually navigate the narrative as a woman, i can post something on social media and that is down to to be in and that is down to me to be in control this situation. in control of this situation. in the was relying on the past, i was relying on agencies this to make sure

agencies like this to make sure that was in the limelight and, actually giving me that element of career to a further a success. there is many women , success. there is many women, those magazines that have gone to on careers, including myself, who's navigated through and not just stayed in that industry . just stayed in that industry. yes, that was just a platform that was just a step forward to going where i wanted to go. if you allowed career to take you to somewhere else , that's your to somewhere else, that's your choice, sir. martin so you know, i that's a very compelling i think that's a very compelling argument for the way in which these magazines helped of these magazines helped a lot of people, lot to win their people, a lot to win their career. you give us any career. but can you give us any examples of you think it examples of where you think it might had a toxic impact might have had a toxic impact what the school you what did the school that you mentioned she mentioned from flickr she mentioned from flickr she mentioned tate mentioned the andrew tate magically was poisoned by women's magazines with no proof whatsoever. i do know that prince harry was a loaded reader because we have a photograph of him in afghanistan with loaded in well the king of in the desert. well the king of woke so it's nonsense woke now so it's nonsense i think to assume that millions upon millions of men consume the product. but it only poison.

it's been you take i mean i remember seeing and i wasn't as i say the target audience but seeing the nuts magazine flicking through nuts magazine seeing the nuts magazine flickitg through nuts magazine seeing the nuts magazine flickit seemedh nuts magazine seeing the nuts magazine flickit seemed tquts magazine seeing the nuts magazine flickit seemed to be; magazine seeing the nuts magazine flickit seemed to be just gazine and it seemed to be just a combination of naked women and explosions and close up shots of wombs always saying to men, you know, you have to look at this brokenness. bone sticking out of a football. his knee because that makes you more of a man and it felt at the time a bit regressive. it's undeniably true. as the magazines on true. as the magazines moved on they reductively moral. they became reductively moral. the thing was more birds, the whole thing was more birds, less words . it was pictures, less words. it was pictures, became more like a comic for masculinity, if you like. right when we got involved, we actually did like writing bit and readers like read in the and the readers like read in the right the bit that we liked as well. but an interesting point you made the internet, how it changed after i left changed everything. after i left loaded, made show for loaded, i made a tv show for channel 4 called on the brain altered my magazines altered to look at my magazines role in this framework of getting young men into. the minister, the daily mail was saying it's becoming a real, real problem. it's like a gateway, a gateway , a nursery,

gateway, a gateway, a nursery, a pathway drug and. we interviewed criminal psychologists , the criminal psychologists, the people we're going tell us all kind of before it got taken over by trends, ideology, they were actually working with young men who being poisoned by, the who were being poisoned by, the men's macs even featured. but when i spoke to anti campaigners who who spent their entire life into it because of magazines like playboy boy and hustler and said to them, would you change things? they said, we would take back those magazines in a heartbeat if we could unplug. and used to that , because that's and used to that, because that's an interesting point. it an interesting point. is it precious that, you know, now things have changed, like you say? got access say? yeah got access to everything. have access, everything. they have access, everything. and everybody's needs even needs have become even more extreme it's you know, extreme so. it's like, you know, some of the men who would even see something vintage see something like vintage chairman loaded wouldn't even get the same experience or the same feel as they would back then, till now things have evolved so badly that people's perception of sex and women have gone. perception of sex and women have gone . you know, you take the

gone. you know, you take the view that the of the extreme examples of that even children can access . but that to me examples of that even children can access. but that to me is one of the main things that i'm very , very like. it's something very, very like. it's something that i've always said media should be only for 18 plus. i that it's an atoll atoll environment only adults should access it because there's so many things on there that children should not be seeing before the ages that they're seeing . that concern wouldn't be seeing. that concern wouldn't be the case with a lot of my you know, the lost magazines are sold and they're sold in stores and they're very high in the day high up. well, back in the day when you know who's giving the money to buy these magazines, it's the parents and they would never and the you never get them. and the you know, totally different . know, it's totally different. after round schools after i went round schools around, but i spent about 45,000 british teenagers about and their role in it trying to help them to become critical consumers role in said, oh my god, you're going to be a rapist because that's what the daily mail was saying. so the prime minister was saying that's what bbc saying and getting in bbc was saying and getting in there and was approached by so

many parents after lectures who said, i'm said, i said, look, i'm much more passionate about into more this passionate about into the internet wish were. the internet but wish they were. yeah used say yeah but they used to say i loved when my, when my boy loved it when my, when my boy bought load exile he said bought him or load exile he said no what he was reading right where was going. yeah. now where he was going. yeah. now i don't know but i said to the feminist critics at the time you mrs. when we're gone we do . mrs. when we're gone we do. right. well we could talk about this . this is fascinating this. this is a fascinating topic, but unfortunately we're out you so much out of time. thank you so much to precious martin really to my precious and martin really appreciate both after the break that one great speech nation dr. maria hauraki, a lecturer in international will join us to discuss the significance the arrest warrant issued for vladimir putin by the international criminal court do not away .

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president, vladimir putin. the court alleges that is court alleges that putin is responsible for what it describes as the war crime of deporting children from from occupied areas of the ukraine to the russian federation . in the the russian federation. in the seemingly unlikely event that putin enters one of the court's members states , they are obliged members states, they are obliged to arrest him and transfer him to arrest him and transfer him to the hague for trial. so to discuss this, i'm joined from rome lecturer in rome by the lecturer in international law, dr. maria of iraqi . good evening, maria. iraqi. good evening, maria. thanks for joining iraqi. good evening, maria. thanks forjoining me iraqi. good evening, maria. thanks for joining me tonight . thanks for joining me tonight. by thanks for joining me tonight. by asking you about vladimir putin and what he thinks of the hague, he surely doesn't recognise the jurisdiction of the icc . will this really make the icc. will this really make any difference ? well, you know, any difference? well, you know, it's very obvious that he doesn't recognise the jurisdiction of the international criminal court, and that's he paid the visit already to crimea and late last night to mariupol and that's why many people say that the arrest warrants from, the international criminal court have only a symbolic value. i believe that it's more important it's more

than a symbolic value. some people claim most of the arrest warrants have a moral high u. i would say that the international court sends a message and message to other people , you message to other people, you know, a message of deterrence that those particular behaviour , as you mentioned, the unlawful transfer , the transportation of transfer, the transportation of children from occupied territories is criminal behaviour and can be considered a war crime . and the icc a war crime. and the icc believes that it has sufficient evidence that he is indeed that he has done this. i think that suggesting up to 6000 children is that when clearly the prosecutor of the international criminal court had to explain to the civil terms to persuade judges that he has substantially evidence. so the judges acknowledge that there is reasonable ground that this particular crime has been committed, allegedly has made the ukrainian side stokes of

almost 1600 thousand people , almost 1600 thousand people, kids who have been transferred to russia. there is a vast number of children . and this is number of children. and this is something that has to be investigated for sure . so can investigated for sure. so can i ask you about vladimir putin's position ? you know, this, as you position? you know, this, as you say, is gesture really from the icc . this is this is effectively icc. this is this is effectively them that they don't approve of putin and that are to take a stand against him. but it's also quite unprecedented. i mean, there's been a few times where they've they've issued they've where they've issued warrants heads of state. warrants for heads of state. i think was one example. think gadhafi was one example. but generally speaking , they but generally speaking, they don't do this, do they ? well, don't do this, do they? well, this is, as you said, at the beginning of europe, it's a dramatic move. and clearly, the international criminal court took a very, very ambitious step here to issue an arrest warrant against the head of state. but then this happened, the past that's happened for sudan. it's not the first time in this case it's happened because we are talking about this . the talking about this. the president of a permanent member

of the security council , the un, of the security council, the un, and someone who not a counter that it's not a state project is international criminal court. that it's not a state project is international criminal court . so international criminal court. so this is a very audacious , i this is a very audacious, i would say on behalf the international criminal court , my international criminal court, my belief is that they have a very solid basis order to proceed with that kind of move. of the other hand, you know the court send a message and. we saw the reaction by president putin who visited crimea and mario was sending his own message back to that to the rest. so the international community do think, dr. pearcy, that there is a risk that this kind of gesture, well—intentioned it might be, could escalate tensions or indeed that vladimir putin might use it to his advantage to suggest , you know, advantage to suggest, you know, he's put upon by the international community. yeah. so as we have stated already, you know, the court has been describing from the russian side does that now colonia had took more requests than project . we more requests than project. we have seen that and of course we that type of overreact action on behalf of russia one of the main

clashes when it comes when we have an international judicial intervention such as the one that we have from the national criminal court, is to what extent this those arrest warrants can put a risk of a possible peace process . you know possible peace process. you know what happens when ? it's time we what happens when? it's time we can have president putin back to the negotiation table . and here, the negotiation table. and here, as i keep saying, we have to be very realistic, very honest and very realistic, very honest and very pragmatic and to what extent there is a genuine belief and good faith on behalf of president putin to bring himself around the negative table. so i don't think actually the particular intervention by court might derail risk anything. i think this is was very obvious from the statement that the court issued . but they say they court issued. but they say they are doing not for deterrent purpose. send a message to convey a message that that type of behaviour is unacceptable and screaming that it's a criminal behaviour for other senior

officials else. is it your view then that there is a diplomatic solution ultimately to this conflict ? that's a very tricky conflict? that's a very tricky question . well, we are talking question. well, we are talking about illegal occupation. we're talking about annexation . talking about annexation. ideally, we would like a diplomatic solution . but there diplomatic solution. but there are so many things that they again, both sides, they have issued so many important points both from ukraine outside , they both from ukraine outside, they can not accept the annexation of eastern ukraine, not to mention grievances 2014. so this is a very difficult and tricky question . we all hope for the question. we all hope for the best for the future, this irrational war has to cease we have so many victims , so many have so many victims, so many things to really know. region here. dr. marie of rocky, thanks so much forjoining me tonight. so much for joining me tonight. yeah, it's very interesting. i mean, you know, i see a solution out of this other than you've

got to kind of placate vladimir putin's ego. he has to we have to go back to russia and say, you know, look we got something out of this. it all a waste. i mean, what do you think of this, francis? well, i think as nice as a gesture is, i think it's a glorified virtue signal because the arrest the reality of the arrest warrants, the arrest warrant, because the reality is he's never going to be arrested for his fair as his crimes. so let's be fair as well it's a little bit hypocritical , the pointing hypocritical, the west pointing their vladimir putin their fingers at vladimir putin going, going to have an going, you're going to have an arrest need to be arrest warrant. you need to be in hague george and in the hague. george w bush and tony blair walk around having having committed an illegal invasion of their own . what do invasion of their own. what do you make of that couple of in the audience? it's very much on francis's that want to francis's side that you want to take you while still take account you while still thinking the lads to thinking about the lads mags to be on putin read too a on . be on putin read too a on. a certainly possible i can always count on you for a sensible contribution to the debate anyway after break on free speech nation we're going to be asking you if the bbc's decision

to axe a celebrated choir reflects a troubling set of priorities that the corporation see in a few minutes.

welcome back to free speech nation, the bbc has been hitting the headlines of late due to the involving football presenter gary lineker. but have we been ignonng gary lineker. but have we been ignoring more troubling development at the corporation and one which could have wider implications for future? implications for the future? the much bbc singers are much loved bbc singers are considered of the most considered one of the most prestigious choral in world, prestigious choral in the world, but be dissolved this but they will be dissolved this summer a cost cutting summer in a cost cutting exercise, a decision which has prompted anger in the arts community. so here to consider the implications, i'm joined by the implications, i'm joined by the historian and political commentator david oldroyd, both how any say that cutting the how did any say that cutting the singers, how much money are they saving and is it worth it? well,

richard morris, the chief critic of the times, estimates they're saving one and a half saving about one and a half million pounds, which might sound a for singers. sound like a lot for 24 singers. but you have to consider that it's not just the singers form part budget, it's the part of that budget, it's the works written them, works that written for them, which for. of course, which to be paid for. of course, composers don't work for free. it's the rehearsal spaces they use. transport costs. use. it's the transport costs. it's lodging. going it's the lodging. they're going to if to accommodation costs. if they have which seems to me have those, which seems to me like bargain, frankly. is like a bargain, frankly. this is something that is considered in the world. of the the music world. one of the great achievements of british performance past performance over the past century. fact century. and i think the fact that the bbc have chosen to get rid of them in the 1998, not even to let them reach the century churlish at best and century is churlish at best and downright arrogant at worst. there sense the bbc there the sense in which the bbc often to cut some of their often seem to cut some of their best things. i remember they were going after bbc for one of their better channels. well, bbc is all and is now, for all intents and purposes, but the years purposes, gone, but the years leading it, its removal leading up to it, its removal had been diluted. had in any case been diluted. i think the problem with the bbc is absolutely by the idea is this absolutely by the idea that it might stick to its foundational principles and

broadcast the best. they seem to have a real animus. broadcast the best. they seem to have a real animus . anything have a real animus. anything that be considered high that could be considered high culture or high art, which i think stems on the one hand, as i say, from embarrassment, they shouldn't be doing this. but on the other, from a really deep condescension for towards and hostile hostility towards their audience , i think there is audience, i think there is a really great cadre within the bbc thinks that ordinary as bbc that thinks that ordinary as they demeaning. call they so demeaning. lee call them, can't appreciate high art. this is rubbish, if you remember, if step back to the 19705 remember, if step back to the 1970s when humphrey burton was in broadcasting bbc in charge broadcasting the bbc a classical music output. there were often weekly relays of opera from the best opera houses in the world, and these got formed a million viewers. not fine. there channels and fine. there were channels and there less choice. but this there was less choice. but this still shows to me that there is a great appetite for high culture, might call it, culture, as we might call it, and now will not provide and the bbc now will not provide unless it's to, and unless it's forced to, and almost at the point of a gun. so this is a very interesting question about what is the bbc for. to back to the for. obviously to go back to the original reith principles of to inform, educate and entertain.

do that are do you think that they are sticking principles? sticking to those principles? are potentially taking sticking to those principles? are far? potentially taking sticking to those principles? are far? and intially taking sticking to those principles? are far? and theiry taking sticking to those principles? are far? and their idea ing them too far? and their idea that that, you they should that that, you know, they should educate the masses? what do you think that? don't think think about that? i don't think they're to educate the they're doing to educate the masses. they're doing masses. i think they're doing a great concern to them great deal of concern to them and chasing i would and they're chasing what i would call commercial, which call the commercial, which the corporation doesn't have. yes, it's out of a poll tax. it's paid for out of a poll tax. they don't need to make having an advertising they an advertising revenue. they don't think that don't really need to think that much their viewing figures much about their viewing figures because it's their what should because it's their what should be thinking of how best be doing is thinking of how best they can serve the people of this country. who are they? paymasters these things like paymasters and these things like strictly the strictly come dancing, leave the p3p strictly come dancing, leave the pap the channel for why pap to itv, the channel for why not people things that are not give people things that are worth preserving. if worth preserving. surely if they're the they're going to chase the commercial imperative, what's the licence fee? the point of the licence fee? why become a streaming? why not become a streaming? well, exactly, yeah. i mean, they undermine their argument for things for existence by doing things this. it is. now you this. i think it is. now you conceive a bill in we conceive a bill when in fact we saw inconceivable saw that it's inconceivable a programme like civilisation would nowadays. would be made nowadays. yes. because remake was done because when the remake was done all updated version, it was all the updated version, it was done that the bbc now done in the way that the bbc now thinks absolutely do

thinks it absolutely must do anything vaguely serious anything which vaguely serious is up and have is to dress people up and have them prancing around the them prancing around to the sound irreverent in order to sound of irreverent in order to dumbed as possible. dumbed down as far as possible. they're terrified seriousness they're terrified of seriousness . that's a very interesting comparison. you go to comparison. i mean, if you go to the 10:00 series, the original series civilisation, series of civilisation, and you watch you think it watch it and you think it assumes that the audience have patience, they're patience, that they're interested difficult interested in difficult ideas. yes that they're intelligent. this will, as asian series , this will, as asian series, didn't do that. no, i think that the original series treated the audience with courtesy of audience with the courtesy of treating though they are treating them as though they are in fact capable of taking on board these ideas, as though they to do and as though they want to do and as though they want to do and as though they don't need to be down to like pre—school children. you know, clarke in the know, with kenneth clarke in the original civilisation, you just had expert, world expert original civilisation, you just hathis expert, world expert original civilisation, you just hathis period , world expert original civilisation, you just hathis period of world expert original civilisation, you just hathis period of vtalking pert original civilisation, you just hathis period of vtalking tort in this period of art talking to an audience , and they an audience, and they were expected listen enjoyed . expected to listen and enjoyed. in the more recent one, you had people who i come back to this, and i think they're embarrassed and i think they're embarrassed and scared of coming across as serious as treating high art and culture the greatest ideas culture and the greatest ideas have ever been sought with the gravity they yes. and gravity they deserve. yes. and it any good for the

it doesn't do any good for the programmes. doesn't any programmes. it doesn't do any good the presenters and it good for the presenters and it certainly do good to certainly doesn't do any good to the fee payers who the licence fee payers who treated like idiot children. it's certainly true that when i watched the programs watched it, of all the programs that were created by the bbc feel a breath, a feel a kind of a breath, a sigh of relief, think i'm not being patronised or if civilisation is a example, but they a wonderful example, but they also the play also used to have the play for today. quite, know today. you quite, you know really interesting challenging things that i just believe things that i just don't believe would well, would be commissioned. well, i think a very point think it's a very good point because of the work of because so much of the work of the post—war period the bbc in the post—war period was commissioning works, new was commissioning new works, new works, new plays, new literature for four. concert for radio four. and you concert pieces problems and for pieces for the problems and for its concert series. its many other concert series. and if you start getting rid of orchestras and say and choirs. i mean the bbc singers is the only full time chamber choir that this country has 24 people. full time chamber choir that thiswejntry has 24 people. full time chamber choir that thiswe reallyias 24 people. full time chamber choir that thiswe really saying4 people. full time chamber choir that thiswe really saying that)ple. full time chamber choir that thiswe really saying that out. full time chamber choir that thiswe really saying that out of are we really saying that out of a 40 odd million a tax basis? 40 odd million people. we can't continue to employ 24 people who are at the very, height of their game, very, very height of their game, not but around not just here, but all around the world. it to the the world. it come to the composer and conductor pierre boulez was boulez that this ensemble was the the of the the jewel in the crown of the whole yes. and the getting whole bbc. yes. and the getting rid such callous

rid of it with such callous indifference. what extent do indifference. to what extent do you think that connected you think that this is connected , what we have often called the ideological of the bbc, ideological culture of the bbc, insofar a kind of insofar as there is a kind of mistrust the heights our mistrust of the heights that our culture produced , is culture has produced, which is wrapped this of wrapped up in this idea of tearing statues, destroying history, white man history, mistrusting white man authors such as shakespeare and chaucen authors such as shakespeare and chaucer, for instance. oh, i think, yeah, that's of it. think, yeah, that's part of it. they that the audience, they perceive that the audience, the music the classical music is only middle or old people. yes. middle aged or old people. yes. because again, it's part of the condescension of bbc condescension of the bbc that they would consider that, they would not consider that, say, black person or a say, a poor black person or a young white person possibly be interested in this music that was in some was written in some cases hundreds years ago. and that hundreds of years ago. and that is of low is the bigotry of low expectations. i mean, seen expectations. i mean, we've seen that was the attempt that when there was the attempt to young, predominantly to say that young, predominantly black schools shouldn't shouldn't have mozart on their music they should music curriculum, they should have is have stormzy instead, which is basically young basically suggesting that young people incapable of people are incapable of understanding great, great music. know a great music. i know it's not a great popular on this channel, popular figure on this channel, but gove did come up but michael gove did come up with phrase the with one wonderful phrase the soft bigotry of low expectations . think that permeates the . and i think that permeates the broadcasting and the

broadcasting of the bbc and the education as a. anyway, but the problem with this is that by saying that these people couldn't possibly understand it, you give the chance you never give them the chance to. to me, is the to. yes that, to me, is the worst form bigotry. what is worst form bigotry. so what is the solution here? how do we address these issues with the bbc, they're obviously making these we like these these cuts whether we like it or not. well, maybe not. there are more than 133,000 people have signed a petition against cuts to bbc singers. so perhaps is just a glimmer of hope that it might be reversed. so that people just so do you think that people just need make noise about sort need to make a noise about sort of how they want the bbc to of say how they want the bbc to be run the thing? well, yes. i mean, this an argument that you and have discussed in and i have discussed before in different we want different contexts. if we want to same effect as our to have the same effect as our opponents, we have to make just as much, if not more noise than they do. yes. don't always leave it make the running it to them to make the running in cultural or in in cultural stakes or in in political. and i think it is one of those instances if of those instances where if you value bbc at core value what the bbc at its core stands for, which do i believe in the principles? the principles. i feel they've principles. i just feel they've been let over the been badly let down over the past a century the

past quarter of a century by the institution supposed to institution that is supposed to institute don't have institute them. we don't have much i just want your much time, but i just want your final on this. is final thought on this. is the licence fee over? because we've had these debates back and forth, much forth, but it looks very much like to go, doesn't like it's going to go, doesn't it? it's the keeps shooting it? it's the bbc keeps shooting itself in the foot this. itself in the foot like this. why be? well, why shouldn't it be? well, certainly with the gary lineker situation they have. situation and i think they have. yeah, quite. what would yeah, well, quite. what would you have saying you rather have 24 bbc saying is. one lineker which is. well one gary lineker which adds the gaiety of adds more to the gaiety of nafions adds more to the gaiety of nations betterment nations and the betterment of human civilisation. i don't think football think it's a football commentator think commentator and i think from your would be your calculations would be roughly same cost. roughly the same cost. it's about one and a about the same one and a half million live in million quid here. so we live in a thing is signals that a keep the thing is signals that be title the be the title of the next programme we do. yes losing programme that we do. yes losing the on why should the whole hour on why should have and have more classical music and less gary lineker you've less gary lineker i think you've just solved the problem. david elder thank. so elder a point, bob, thank. so that's first our own that's it for the first our own free nation there free speech nation but there is lots come after lots more to come tonight after the going be the break. i'm going to be speaking the impacts speaking about the impacts that activists fighting the culture war the arts. war are having on the arts. plus, questions plus, some more questions from our live studio our wonderful live studio audience and i'll have my panel back in the room. that's frances foster and jonathan cogan. so don't anywhere . on following

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evening this the latest from the gb newsroom home secretary says rwanda is to receive migrants . rwanda is to receive migrants. she hopes to start deportation flights by the summer. so while brave man has continued her visit , rwanda, where earlier visit, rwanda, where earlier today she met with students from kepler , a non—profit university kepler, a non—profit university program where at least 25% of his students are refugees . ms. his students are refugees. ms. braverman also attended a street fair which was to organised celebrate commonwealth day. the uk and rwanda are vowing to step up efforts to tackle migration. the agreement between the two countries has been expanded to all illegal migrants and not just asylum seekers . progress is just asylum seekers. progress is being made rapidly and i'm really confident on the back of the progress that i've seen here in kigali that we will be able to operationalise this world leading agreement very soon. the big point is that there will be a package of high quality humanitarian support for people , will be relocated to rwanda ,

, will be relocated to rwanda, combined with our robust new will be able will enable us to break business model of the people smuggling gangs. the deal with rwanda has cost £140 million. which shadow levelling up? secretary lisa nandy says could have better spent? we think you should take that money, put it into national crime agency, create a cross border so that disrupts the criminal gangs and send the clearest possible message , those clearest possible message, those criminal gangs that they won't be tolerated and that will bring them to account should they persist. instead, we've had and more of the tough talk from this government. and last year, the boat crossing hit a record high of 45,000 is not working. and it's about time government recognised that switzerland's biggest bank, ubs will take over its rival credit suisse in a government backed deal . credit government backed deal. credit suisse shares fell by 24% on wednesday to a record low amid fears of a wider european

crisis. the swiss president has praised the move . it's the best praised the move. it's the best solution to provide confidence in the swiss financial market. the deal includes . $100 billion the deal includes. $100 billion worth of swiss 100 billion chf, sorry, in liquidity assistance for both banks. the bank of england has also welcomed move, saying the uk banks remain safe and sound and the king has paid tribute to the late queen on the first mother's day since her death last september. the royal family tweeted a photo of charles as a baby standing on the queen's lap. a picture of the queen's lap. a picture of the queen's lap. a picture of the queen consort with her mother was also posted. the prince and the princess of wales shared a picture of their with kate with a message saying happy mother's from all family to yours . tv online and the abc yours. tv online and the abc plus radio , tv news.

plus radio, tv news. culture warriors are by their nature destructive? they believe that our society is broken , that that our society is broken, that it is irredeemably racist, homophobic, transphobic and all the other phobias that they invent and that it must be demolished and reconstruct from scratch. culture warriors . that scratch. culture warriors. that the ongoing project of social liberalism has failed and. that we need to implement new authority and measures to fix society of its ailments. and this includes restrictions on freedom of speech and sometimes even compelled speech . they even compelled speech. they believe that children ought to believe that children ought to be taught new pseudo religious creeds , such as that. we all creeds, such as that. we all have an innate gender, a gendered soul. if you like, and that all white children complicit in white supremacy. they oppose the colourblindness espoused by the great dr. martin luther king. they believe in re—engineer society so that we have equality outcome rather than equality opportunity. they generally show a lack of compassion or empathy or , the

compassion or empathy or, the capacity to forgive and have a system of retribution known as cancel culture. as i have argued times, the closest synonym for what we now call woke is anti liberal. i've also pointed out that much of this has been well—intentioned, but that doesn't make it right . from doesn't make it right. from a personal perspective , the one personal perspective, the one thing i really can't thing that i really can't forgive the impact that these forgive is the impact that these activists , their culture war, activists, their culture war, have on. the arts, with the have had on. the arts, with the rise of identity politics and the institutional capture that has come with it. many of us have how creative have seen how the creative industries been enervated. industries have been enervated. the theatre been particularly impacted with most new plays only being commissioned if they satisfy the diversity requirements of the new state. religion and if they are seen to be promoting the correct message . conformism is now demanded from the most independent of minds . those of you who enjoy minds. those of you who enjoy going to the cinema or watching streaming services such as netflix will have noticed that many of the shows and films that are now produced are sermons dressed as entertainment devices

of social justice, boilerplate , of social justice, boilerplate, smuggled in wherever possible , smuggled in wherever possible, and the audience can't quite shake the feeling that it's being hectored . major prizes in being hectored. major prizes in the realms of theatre, film and literature are given to activists or to creatives to use their platforms to spread the sacred creed of intersectionality. critics are complicit to lauding work that has the approval of values and those that don't. it all starts to feel like state sanctioned art propaganda for the establishment . and that's why so establishment. and that's why so much of it feels bloodless and dispensable and worse still. writers musicians. comedians poets. anyone in the creative arts understands that they must toe the line in order to be commissioned and to receive the plaudits they so desire . this plaudits they so desire. this doesn't mean that there aren't exceptional, doesn't mean that there aren't exceptional , talented artists exceptional, talented artists producing good work , but it does producing good work, but it does mean that their work is somewhat sanitised and is definitely, definitely means that the most innovative stifled innovative of minds are stifled and unable to find work. that is not to suggest that art cannot

be political or pedagogic. one of my favourite books growing up was browne school was thom browne school schooldays, explicitly schooldays, which is explicitly preachy a book preachy but a fine book nonetheless . and doubtless you nonetheless. and doubtless you remember death of joe in bleak house, where charles dickens holds the narrative to lecture the wealthy reader on the plight of the poor dead majesty. dead. my of the poor dead majesty. dead. my lords and gentlemen , and my lords and gentlemen, and dying thus around us every day. the novel momentarily turns into a moral sermon, but it's still one of dickens most accomplished achievements. and yet. and yet it's the part of the novel that is the least effective. perhaps it's a matter of taste, but i've always found didactic art is the least aim. with oscar wilde's , least aim. with oscar wilde's, who explained in the preface to the picture dorian grey that vice and virtue simply materials for artists . there is no such for artists. there is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book, he said. books are well written or badly written. that is . i written or badly written. that is. i don't read novels for lectures in morality. if i wanted that, i'd go to a church . and one of the grand moments when he got it, george orwell claimed that all art is

propaganda in truth, propagandistic art is often the most banal the essence of creativity is individuality. art as zola put it, life seen through a temperament. when artists are expected to parrot. they accepted views of the establishment. they be said to be producing art at all. rather, they are slaves to another person's vision. some of the greatest artists throughout history have had to work under oppressive regimes or in fealty to the religious or political of those in power. but great artists find a way to be subversive within those constraints. how is michelangelo able to produce erotic imagery in the sistine chapel, right in the heart of the vatican ? he had the heart of the vatican? he had his detractors of course, the papal master of ceremony said that his nudes were more fitting for a bathhouse or a tavern. and in response , michelangelo in response, michelangelo painted the figure of minor as judge of the dead in the underworld , this man's face, and underworld, this man's face, and added some ears and a snake biting his genitals. but his nude paintings weren't removed.

he had found a way to work within the system. william shakespeare gives another example of a genius who found a way to work with an oppressive constraints. shakespeare, composed over 100 love sonnets from one man to another, which was circulated private until there was an openly gay king on there was an openly gay king on the throne. but he found way to represent a homoerotic relationship . his play, 12th relationship. his play, 12th night antonio and night between antonio and sebastian. the way he did is he just had to make sure that one of them was married off at the end around end of the play to get around the restrictions time the restrictions of the time penod the restrictions of the time period lived. but period in which he lived. but today, something different. today, something is different. what happens when all the artists are in lockstep? what if all the artists suddenly decided that their visions ought to be subordinated to the promotion of the of the ruling class , the the of the ruling class, the woke movement has created the conditions within which art is unlikely to flourish. the demands for self—censorship are too extreme. that's why we so often hear stories of books being removed from library shelves, sometimes even destroyed if they contain outdated stereotype types. it's

why sensitivity readers at puffin rewrote roald dahl's novels. it's why comedians at their shows cancelled by promoters and venues. it's because these new puritans see art as just means by which the privileged can perpetuate their privileged can perpetuate their privilege for them. rafael's transfigure creation is little more than pigments on wood, daubed by a powerful white man in the interests of other powerful white men. we find ourselves in the bizarre situation where those who are incapable of understanding great art have nonetheless become the gatekeepers of the artistic industries . gatekeepers of the artistic industries. my hope is that while this cultural revolution is in full swing , a few great is in full swing, a few great artists may still find a way to navigate around the constraints demanded by those in power. it won't be easy because so many artists are as , i say now in artists are as, i say now in lockstep , and those who are not lockstep, and those who are not are often attacked. seems unlikely that the woke movement ever produce anything of lasting artistic value. so the sake of our artistic legacy , let's hope our artistic legacy, let's hope that this culture war is shortly

lived . now, after the break of lived. now, after the break of free speech nation time we got some more questions. we call in studio audience here so we can ask them some questions right now. we're going to. oh, no, sorry. being . that's not sorry. i'm being. that's not what do. we're sorry. i'm being. that's not what to do. we're sorry. i'm being. that's not what to go do. we're sorry. i'm being. that's not what to go to do. we're sorry. i'm being. that's not what to go to jonathana going to go to you, jonathan cogan, what i just cogan, to respond to what i just said. monologue. really said. great monologue. really enjoyed agree with i would enjoyed that. agree with i would say 98% of it. 98. 2% that i didn't understand. so that was couple of words i tried to remember . am i being paranoid? remember. am i being paranoid? is it . is remember. am i being paranoid? is it. is there a sense in which, you know, i just don't think great the think anything great in the artistic produced artistic realm is being produced at moment. i okay. maybe at the moment. i okay. maybe i can say in terms of sort of mainstream hollywood movies. i mean, of great mean, there are a lot of great shows they become. know, shows they become. you know, they imbued with this work ideology. becomes really ideology. it becomes really takes out of it and it takes you out of it and it becomes becomes, takes you out of it and it bec(know, becomes, takes you out of it and it bec(know, conformist becomes, takes you out of it and it bec(know, conformist . becomes, takes you out of it and it bec(know, conformist . thatmes, takes you out of it and it bec(know, conformist . that being you know, conformist. that being said, there is this push said, because there is this push against, you know, the liberalism that we like our liberalism that we like in our art, there is great comedy now. you people pushing back you have people pushing back against be pushback against and they'll be pushback against and they'll be pushback against if there wasn't this

book to stamp it down. book trying to stamp it down. but something very but it's something very interesting. to interesting. so i went to the theatre was some of theatre and there was some of the production was because i thought brilliant, thought it was brilliant, but that going so that was just it was going so well. there well. and then there was a moment halfway through well. and then there was a momethere halfway through well. and then there was a momethere ithis/ay through well. and then there was a momethere ithis obviousigh when there was this obvious lecture shoe in, and you lecture sort of shoe in, and you just thought, oh my god, i don't need know, i the need this. you know, i like the idea theatre, know, idea of theatre, you know, exploring for exploring moral ambiguity. for instance just hectoring instance, not just hectoring its audience should audience about what they should is is is boring, right? it is complete, easy. really, really boring. i'm rereading hubert selby. junior's last exit to brooklyn. i don't know if you know it. read the. it's widely regarded as one of the great american of late 20th american novels of the late 20th century. was talking century. and he was talking about brooklyn at the time, was very . one character very impoverished. one character who is transgender in the book. yeah, but it's really interesting because the character of georgie is portrayed as a human with flaws, with faults , and at the same with faults, and at the same time that the struggle that this person every single day of their lives living in 1950s brooklyn, where they were isolated by their family. they were

ostracised. yeah at the same time, there were still people who and cared for them and you realised you were reading the book. what made it really refreshing that wasn't getting refreshing that i wasn't getting an , i wasn't an archetype, i wasn't getting a lecture, i just getting a beautifully written description of a character . so that's really of a character. so that's really interesting because what sensitivity doing sensitivity are doing in the publishing they say publishing industry is, they say say, for example, you write that you're a straight writer and you write character your write a gay character in your novel come along and say, novel that come along and say, well, if the gay character is saying not very saying things that are not very nice , then problematic nice, then that's problematic because you're painting gay people but gay people a certain way. but gay people a certain way. but gay people aren't morally pure. they don't lie. they're not. they're the same as everyone else. they have flaws and all the rest of it. so we having this it. so why are we having this magic? sensitivity magic? becoming a sensitivity reader? wanting to do reader? imagine wanting to do that. did you that. amazing. how did you become it? what? like, kind become it? what? like, what kind of you just get of do you just. you just get affected by everything. like, i found my calling. do do? found my calling. how do you do? so who is paid found my calling. how do you do? sofind who is paid found my calling. how do you do? sofind offensive who is paid found my calling. how do you do? sofind offensive things. is paid found my calling. how do you do? sofind offensive things. yeah.d to find offensive things. yeah. i a job the guardian i mean, what a job the guardian journalist in china. yeah. no, it's a it's a crazy job. but i mean , i look through this thing mean, i look through this thing like from the time's up book,

you've got a really well fleshed out character who happens to be transgender and this has struggles and struggles and everything. and that an that just sounds like an incredibly well—written, interesting incredibly well—written, intere archetypes shoehorned these archetypes are shoehorned in. that's what's the point in. and that's what's the point of going to get of where we're going to get later the non—binary bison on later to the non—binary bison on one of netflix's new series and kind of think that is definitely shoehorned. yeah, i think something that was integral to the it. that's like the plot, was it. that's like that saying to the that same pretty saying to the pair better teach pair is that you better teach your children to misuse pronouns and as a symbol. and use them as a symbol. i mean, but maybe shakespeare would have written about a non—binary bison if maybe if he'd lived long enough . it's he'd lived long enough. it's pursued non—binary. bad. yeah pursued by non—binary. bad. yeah exactly. yeah. or not he. exactly. yeah. he or not he. very good . right. enough of very good. right. enough of this. i like puns on free speech nation. every time we get to more questions, of course we have a lovely studio audience here. i want to hear what they've say. so we'll see they've got to say. so we'll see you a few minutes .

welcome back to free speech nation. so let's get some more questions from the audience. got a question from liddy. i that right? yes hello. what's your question ? our children's books , question? our children's books, overly sexualised . yet there was overly sexualised. yet there was an interesting article week by guy adams. this was in the mail. and he's been talking about how parents at the american school in london have been finding this really shocking material on library bookshelves. and this is

for children as as ten really, really sexually explicit stuff at the. the mail has done this investigation books have been taken out of circulation. the contents are going to be reviewed. i have to be honest. you know, i always i always think people are, you know, panicking but panicking about nothing. but then of then i looked the contents of then i looked the contents of the it's the books and i mean, it's basically really. they basically, really. and they said, i it's said, yeah, well, i mean, it's certainly what it doesn't present itself has been okay. yeah. but is sexually explicit to the degree of so why that in cartoon form or being why is that there for kids as young as ten. well because you need to if you think about it most kids an iphone well at the age of around 1112. yeah so they're going to go straight into the hardcore . go straight into the hardcore. so you need to kind of, you know , being serious. well there is an argument, there isn't that they're saying you know, they're saying that, you know, kids going exposed to kids are going to be exposed to this the this stuff anyway. so the teaching materials , sex teaching materials, sex education well explicit. education may as well explicit. what do you. the problem with all of that stuff is that is not the role of the schools. right

to do any of that the role sex education a lot of it about biology and is teaching kids about biology what it means to what it means to be a sexual person that we that can happen if you have sex and when you have sex and we don't we to be honest with you the sex education on in as much depth as they should be but to go down they should be but to go down the route of turning a child into a sexual being is completely wrong. it feels dodgy to me . and also i think there's to me. and also i think there's something else about these books the books that that have been found the shelves in the found on the shelves in the american schools very american schools are very much ideological very ideological they're very much telling the kids, okay, you have an identity, an innate gender identity, even though people though 99% of people don't believe it's believe that's true. it's basically be like having a basically it'd be like having a hardcore book sort of saying you must follow the word of baal, the fertility god . yeah. well the fertility god. yeah. well and aga . i mean it doesn't and the aga. i mean it doesn't seem appropriate for children, this kind of thing. i remember thinking mr. tickle was quite erotic when back in the day . erotic when back in the day. yeah, but that's your own thing. probably does explain the loco

does it. really does behaviour in the break room and gb. yeah i mean the thing about the american school in london is well a school should well this a school i should point that was segregating point out that was segregating by skin for after school by skin colour for after school activities. what can go wrong with that , you know. well, with that, you know. well, this isn't it's obviously isn't the point. it's obviously ideologically captured. yeah, it's most expensive day school in it's implementing in london and it's implementing racist so, mean you racist policy. so, i mean you know this is not for and kids for goodness sake. yeah but why is it with the posh schools that do this stuff? because look , if do this stuff? because look, if you are teaching comprehend in south london like i have done. yeah. you just don't have time for this stuff you're busy for this stuff you're too busy trying a riot . yeah, i'm trying to quit a riot. yeah, i'm thinking hoboken . we do. i'll thinking of hoboken. we do. i'll tell you what. let's segregate them. and they've them. there is that. and they've got own. those schools, got their own. those schools, they. got own. i they. they've got own. i wouldn't know. make me like hogan bnng hogan. goodness me. they bring it make for god's it in. not they make for god's sake. yes. yes. let's move sake. right yes. yes. let's move on to another question from stephanie where stephanie , i am. stephanie where stephanie, i am. good evening and why are male presenters dominating the saturday evening schedule? okay so there's been some concern

that there are a lack of female on tv . it's that there are a lack of female on tv. it's ridiculous . but on tv. it's ridiculous. but particularly on saturday nights and the saturday night output on the bbc and itv is being monitored and apparently there are very, very female presenters in peak time slots. and so in the peak time slots. and so there's this article about this. now, i mean what should i just resign and the woman host free speech nation i think you should do it and i think you should make sure that yeah yeah drive you can transition and come in as andrew in and marina why didn't you say that andrea. no and two reason during news that yeah. do you think i mean is this tokenism or do they have a point . i this tokenism or do they have a point. i i think may have a point, actually. maybe do need more people more more people who identify as female. there you go. nailed it on tv. but let's be honest the reality is no one watches tv anymore . it's a dying watches tv anymore. it's a dying medium. it's pointless and

actually, if people want breaks in the media more, they need to do start their own thing because that going to prove far more lucrative for them as a platform than it is trying to go into these old fashioned about that tv. i mean, is it all for francis to come on the say no one watches tv viewers could be very upset . yeah. no, i mean, very upset. yeah. no, i mean, personally , television is for personally, television is for being on, not for watching in my opinion. someone say that on the headlines. start saying it since. mean, i, i don't since. no, i mean, i, i don't watch a lot of live television myself streaming services myself, watch streaming services and to podcasts. and i and i listen to podcasts. and i follow social media. follow people on social media. so agree nowadays the so i kind of agree nowadays the rule just make your own thing rule is just make your own thing . but that said, i do. we . but that being said, i do. we need more women on tv. i sure if it serves a programme, get whatever's best the whatever's best for the programme. whatever's for programme. right? whatever's for the they're the programme. yeah. but they're just hired someone because of their to get whatever their agenda to get whatever makes the best. okay. what question from john where is question now from john where is john. hello. i'm climate activist being denied a right to free speech by the court . okay free speech by the court. okay so lawyers told the guardian

that restrictions on climate protesters by the courts on narrowing their rights to free expression. so these are three activists from insulate britain . remember them? yeah. they've been jailed for contempt court having been told they were not allowed to mention the climate crisis as motivation for crisis or fuel as motivation for their to take direct their decision to take direct their decision to take direct the guardian says similar rulings restricting freedom of expression defences are available to peaceful protesters have been made in other trials. what you think this jonathan. well i mean i'm in favour of people's right to protest if that if they're doing essentially anti—social behaviour that goes what's kind of acceptable in protest. not that i really know what the limit then i guess that is the issue. it's difficult isn't it, because a lot the because a lot of the environmental are environmental protesters are breaking the law. you know, they're committing acts they're actually committing acts of vandalism the buses they're actually committing acts 0 stuffdalism the buses they're actually committing acts 0 stuff dalis themselves, “he buses , stuff like themselves, the buses, people. buses, annoying a lot of people. protests, meant be protests, however, are meant be annoying. got to be annoying. they've got to be annoying. they've got to be annoying. otherwise they annoying. someone otherwise they can't i would can't be a protest. and i would always to always defend people's right to peaceful . but i think if peaceful protest. but i think if they breaking law, we they are breaking the law, we already sort

already have laws that sort of deal yeah so what's deal with them. yeah so what's the issue essentially being prevented from protesting further? because well, it's contempt court . they do contempt of court. they do outside certain agreement, outside in a certain agreement, isn't that yeah. yeah one isn't that right? yeah. yeah one of the things that is actually very interesting about this case is how the tory government are cracking down on right to protest making actually far protest and making actually far more difficult for people to come from . the reality is, is it come from. the reality is, is it comes from covid because during covid, there were a lot of people in this country and myself included initially who were in support of the lockdown. but what we didn't actually realise at the time was the moment we supported lockdown. we also supported banning of protests and the banning to congregate in public spaces . so congregate in public spaces. so we all this power to the we gave all this power to the government. and when you give parents the government, guess what? time i ain't what? a lot of the time i ain't going back yeah going to give it back mean. yeah i it. and they have i mean that's it. and they have this sentencing i mean that's it. and they have this which sentencing i mean that's it. and they have this which were :encing i mean that's it. and they have this which were pushing . i bill, which they were pushing. i know sort of sent it know the lords sort of sent it back and has been this creeping authoritarianism since , you authoritarianism since, you know, the various issues

lockdown and if this is just another example of i think i know. yeah but i mean surely a thriving democracy needs to have the right to protest. i agree with government. so with the tory government. so saying if a protest is too loud then the police are allowed to shut down. what's that with protests allowed . yeah, that's protests allowed. yeah, that's the yeah. is the whole thing. yeah. this is not okay. know not absolutely okay. i know we're another we're going to get another question from question now. this one's from stuart. , hello. stuart. mary stuart, hello. hello, art tv shows hello, everyone. art tv shows guilty of tokenism ? yes. so guilty of tokenism? yes. so there's a recent yougov survey suggesting that almost half the british public does not actually reflect the make up of society . reflect the make up of society. suggestion has been that minority groups appear on tv shows and adverts , shows and adverts, disproportionate numbers promote images of diversity. i think we've all noticed this, haven't we've all noticed this, haven't we know and i don't think it is problematic to point out that it's weirdly disproportionate now. and i can imagine you're in the day when you're watching tv andifs the day when you're watching tv and it's everyone's why everyone's straight . this is everyone's straight. this is weird because that doesn't reflect society. so was reflect society. so that was brilliant. well work in there. but you on the other hand.

but but you on the other hand. but but you on the other hand. but now does seem very odd but but you on the other hand. but ityw does seem very odd but but you on the other hand. but it doesdoes seem very odd but but you on the other hand. but it does feel seem very odd but but you on the other hand. but it does feel liken very odd but but you on the other hand. but it does feel like tokenismj but but you on the other hand. but it does feel like tokenism , and it does feel like tokenism, doesn't it doesn't it does doesn't it? it doesn't it does feel my girlfriend feel like tokenism my girlfriend who to work in advertising who used to work in advertising and is herself a of colour, she actually i'm very liberal guys now didn't but she actually we were walking past an advert and she pointed at the girl and she goes what do you notice about her? and i go , you know, because her? and i go, you know, because i was trying not to get trouble. she disappeared leadership positions. brady oh yeah , you positions. brady oh yeah, you are doing that like , what would are doing that like, what would i do? and she wouldn't i don't know what. and she goes, she's perfect person for advertising because young, attractive and racially indiscriminate . so she racially indiscriminate. so she is she could be in a number of belong to a number of different races and as a result that means that she's far more mark suitable. so because they they can then appeal to numerous ethnic minority groups is the idea of sort of you know

changing makeup of adverts and that kind of thing to sort of preach at the public and say, you know, we think you're all racist . and so therefore we need racist. and so therefore we need to, you is that the idea? to, you know, is that the idea? no, no. i think i think a lot of it because they to it is because they want to appeal demographic , appeal to all demographic, demographic and different demographic and all different types demographics. also types demographics. but also i there is also the reaction in those types of industries where it has been very white for a long time and people have been panicking. one wants to look racist, so they're going everyone's black and then they just go like that. but you know, like, you know, when i'm watching tv , i'm not going to watching tv, i'm not going to buy something in, an advert. if the selling it is gay, the person selling it is gay, you i'm that shallow . you know, i'm not that shallow. not like i need to see me, need to represented and i'm to feel represented and i'm going account. right? going get a bank account. right? exactly i just find it a bit exactly i just i find it a bit odd . feel a pagination wise odd. feel a bit pagination wise as terrible nationwide. yeah, that's i think it's more of a building society . that's i think it's more of a building society. i agree that's i think it's more of a building society . i agree even building society. i agree even your buy your stock that's weak. yeah. it's not good. i do feel that you need to see jewish people sell jewish products.

that's of what they do right . so that's of what they do right. so i think i saw was davina the real beauty dove. they got to go at the whale, the film the whale that won an oscar a lot of brendan fraser yeah, yeah. because didn't use because they didn't use legitimately, you know, £400 access for the fat suit. he wore access for the fat suit. he wore a fat suit . very annoyed with a fat suit. very annoyed with him. they like you should have used a real chunka i, i think they used that language that i have seen activists getting annoyed that film. yeah. why didn't you cast a fat actor? yeah, maybe. maybe they're not very yeah, yeah, maybe very good. yeah, yeah, maybe they too they run out of energy too quickly , you know? i don't know. quickly, you know? i don't know. i know. i we're getting i don't know. i we're getting a lot of for it's lot of trouble for that. it's let's question. let's get another question. karen karen. hi, karen. hi my question is, should ticked up be bannedin question is, should ticked up be banned in the uk? oh this is an ongoing thing. i mean, we've talked a lot on headline news about well . it's about tick tock as well. it's obviously sharing app . it's obviously the sharing app. it's absolutely but there absolutely everywhere. but there security concerns because it's from and so my from china and so my understanding this and i know now that government officials basically can't have tick tock

tick particular on the phones. yes. make sense to me . and yes. which make sense to me. and it's not so much that the company owns tick tock is spying on you . it's that in china , it's on you. it's that in china, it's a law that if the government says to company, you have to hand all data , they hand over all your data, they have over all the data. have to hand over all the data. so potential security so there is a potential security breach. isn't. absolutely. breach. there isn't. absolutely. and really interesting is and what's really interesting is and it many times and we've covered it many times on headline is tick tock in china is completely different to tick tock in the yes so tick in china promotes activities that the ccp thinks is good for the youth and for culture . so they youth and for culture. so they will promote things like engineering videos, you know, working hard, getting fit, being, being a good member of society. quote here, you know, it's just somebody doing a little dance or someone with that, with their all hanging out, just waving and bow . i got out, just waving and bow. i got to tell you , you have my to tell you, you have my professional what i do, you book me, i come in i mean, that's interesting, isn't it? but it's a china because the a tick tock in china because the chinese are very sort

chinese government are very sort of on monitoring what the of hot on monitoring what the people they one central people they have the one central app app where everything is done through your bank account if you want movies through want order movies all through wechat, they also they wechat, you know they also they also thousands and also have thousands and thousands agents to thousands of agents to infiltrate people's discussions onune infiltrate people's discussions online on internet forums , online on internet forums, things to steer the conversation more patriotic ways like to watch game. isn't the government good? like who this. yeah they actually that i didn't think this was real but then i guess to insensitivity really. yeah i mean that's that's scary stuff. yeah it's completely dystopian. so i think now actually the us government are thinking of completely out of it getting by a few brain emails your brain like if i live i'm not big social media guy and i got it just put some comedy just to put some like comedy clips find myself clips up and i just find myself like is it quite difficult? oh yeah. a yeah. because it's just it's a super taking super stimulus, it's just taking a all see is that a hit. so all i see is that twitter account lives of tiktok, okay, is really and okay, which is really great. and it take videos of it all they do is take videos of the of bizarre the most excess of bizarre social justice activist like lecturing. you about that permanent fringe of the fringe of absolute fringe of the figures, they so

figures, as they put it. so i just all that just think that's all that tiktok probably tiktok is, but it's probably half oh the alphabet. half of it. no. oh the alphabet. yeah there is something yeah okay. there is something called tick tock which is called tick tock brain which is that because actually this particular situation they're getting hyperstimulation all of the time. right. it means they and their ability to have deferred gratification has been completely eroded. but that's been going for on i mean, that's not just tick tock. you go back to vine you remember vine getting media as a second time but it's getting but it's just getting progressively intense. so progressively more intense. so it's a load it's like buying just a load video up next video watch, not just up next next i'd like our producer richard his brain yeah richard his brain is mush. yeah i'll tell you, you said that he watches. he's probably watching . so you're genuinely worried about it? well, i suppose you'd say the attention span of the attention span. it's addictive. i myself like they it i find myself just like they it kind the same things, kind recreates the same things, you pulling down a one you know, pulling down a one eyed bandit. and i heard about this. so of the designers of this. so one of the designers of twitter. actually said twitter. yeah. you actually said that, you know, when you pull down page on down to refresh your page on twitter, it deliberately has a pause isn't necessary and pause that isn't necessary and has this pause because it

simulates the of the anticipation of what you get from a fruit machine. when you put fruit you know, put a fruit machine, you know, you and you forget to you get a you and you forget to reason you're up against reason it. you're up against crazy that human crazy algorithms that all human brain so brain doesn't stand a chance. so this deliberately this stuff is deliberately sort of parts. of on our addictive parts. i don't for any nefarious reason. i think it's just this is a way to engagement to make to increase engagement to make more for tick more money except for maybe tick tock be very tock could be trying to be very sinister. so that's what we think our consensus. well, think is our consensus. well, don't it because don't like it because use it, but i will. but then ban it. okay, i will. one thing that could be very interesting that if trump interesting is that if trump does elected, he has made it does get elected, he has made it plain that he wants it banned and i think he will whether i mean, he said a lot of things, let's be fair. but yeah, it's thing think he will thing that i think he will actually happen to actually and make happen is to ban tiktok very interesting. okay. well after the break, i'm free nation this is the free speech nation this is the demise the silicon valley bank means so—called new capital that capitalism is just as volatile as the old fashioned kind. so shortly .

welcome to free speech nation. so last the silicon valley bank became the second largest bank to fail in history of the us. the bank has been taken into government ownership and its holding company has filed for bankruptcy protection and in turn of events which will have a worldwide implications. the british arm , the bank, has been british arm, the bank, has been taken over by hsbc b.c. fraser myers, the deputy spike has been writing about this and he joins me now. good evening, fraser. good evening, nice having me. now some people want to know what's on here. can you talk us through what has happened. yeah so valley bank the so silicon valley bank is the most bank . the tech most important bank. the tech scene and know big tech is obviously the most part of the us economy nowadays . you know, us economy nowadays. you know, it is not a majority, but it's a huge part of where the world's money is going around about half

of all kind of venture capitalist banks do. they're banking with silicon valley bank . so its collapse is really significant. essentially what happened was weirdly it made too much money, excitement let's. so dunng much money, excitement let's. so during the covid pandemic you'll remember that central banks slashed interest rates they started printing the federal reserve in the us printed $4 trillion. yes that sent the stock market soaring while the real economy was shut . we're all real economy was shut. we're all stuck in our homes. the tech economy was booming and silicon valley bank suddenly had more money. it knew what to do with it from its deposits, grew from billion dollars to $220 billion in the space of about two years, a quadrupling all thanks to these kinds of government policies and it's looking for places to put its and it puts them into government normally. that's a very safe bet . now that that's a very safe bet. now that interest rates have gone up , interest rates have gone up, those bonds bad . and then those bonds look bad. and then when people get at lose confidence in the bank, they start to pull out their. and that's happened. people start to pull out their. and tha'pulling happened. people start to pull out their. and tha'pulling hafmoney people start to pull out their. and tha'pulling hafmoney because

start to pull out their. and tha'pknow| hafmoney because start to pull out their. and tha'pknow thatapmoney because start to pull out their. and tha'pknow that the oney because start to pull out their. and tha'pknow that the what 3ecause start to pull out their. and tha'pknow that the what itcause start to pull out their. and tha'pknow that the what it owns they know that the what it owns is not worth much. yes it's is not worth very much. yes it's collapse. so valley collapse. okay. so valley shorts. yeah, that's very somebody said silicon valley effectively, you know that they're lot of jobs . they're creating a lot of jobs. yeah. know as you as yeah. you know they as you as you say, are a hub of business activity. actually, they're activity. but actually, they're not doing anything that not really doing anything that is economy. is contributing to the economy. they companies that they not making companies that last. actually all of last. it's actually all a bit of a mirage. from the, you a mirage. so aside from the, you know, household names know, the big household names that have essentially ougopoues that have essentially oligopolies or monopolies, your facebook or googles or whatever, most of the tech economy is a mirage . it's built on sand. so mirage. it's built on sand. so even uber doesn't make a profit, for instance, people might be surprised learn so the reason surprised to learn so the reason uber was able to be so cheap is because it had all this kind of tech money or or banking tech money or this or banking money. idea that it was money. the idea that it was going to subsidise your ride cheaply, it would kind of the competition, it would kill you , competition, it would kill you, your local cab firm, and then they'd able raise the they'd be able to raise the pnces they'd be able to raise the prices so a prices again. yeah. so there's a lot of these kinds of weird strategies going on in the tech world. the a of the world. a lot of the a of the companies really make companies don't really make products innovative, but products that innovative, but

they are selling a dream in a sense they're always selling. so uber is not is an example of something it's not profitable but going to give the but it was going to give us the sharing everyone sharing economy. yes, everyone is, you know, orgasming over a at the moment people have been playing with it's quite fun , but playing with it's quite fun, but it's often wrong and very often wrong. there's a lot of even worse ai products out there . worse ai products out there. google's ai products made a mistake about. google's ai products made a mistake about . the moon google's ai products made a mistake about. the moon landing and its costs . google $100 and its costs. google $100 billion in kind of share losses . it made this very public mistake . wow. bing has a i must mistake. wow. bing has a i must say microsoft. bing has this air cooled part and it's been insulting its users it's been threatening them. it's been blackmailing . we're to blackmailing. but we're to believe with the with the silicon magic, this is going to bnng silicon magic, this is going to bring to the fourth industrial revolution . so is this the idea revolution. so is this the idea that you say they're a dream, but they sort of at the heart of innovation . yeah. and that it innovation. yeah. and that it doesn't really matter if they don't money as such don't making money as such because creating because they are creating the future. no wants to future. exactly. no one wants to be the person who said in

be like the person who said in the 1990s. oh well who needs the internet. be internet. no one wants to be that so people that person. yeah. and so people are about are buying into just about anything but there is something to like for to that. and i mean like for instance, know, mission to that. and i mean like for insmarse, know, mission to that. and i mean like for insmars in know, mission to that. and i mean like for insmars in the (now, mission to that. and i mean like for insmars in the 1960s, mission to that. and i mean like for insmars in the 1960s, nknow, to mars in the 1960s, you know, a mission to the moon. sorry, you could that was a waste you could say that was a waste of know, was of time over, you know, what was the that that the point in that that was aspirational. agree aspirational. i agree. agree with that completely. it's really need really important. and we need people that's people to take risks. that's absolutely yeah, that's absolutely critical to our future. need to take future. we need people to take risks and find. fair enough. if they're rewarded for it. but i think what silicon has managed to pull the over to do is pull the wool over eyes. they're this eyes. so they're seeing this tech vision. they're often saying there's also a woke vision often sold. you know, there's moral purpose there's a kind of moral purpose behind companies. behind a lot of these companies. so about sam so if you think about sam bankman—fried, might know bankman—fried, people might know him the of the king of him the sort of the king of crypto . so who wooing tony crypto. so who is wooing tony blair? bill clinton. he had this philosophy effective altruism. philosophy, effective altruism. so wasn't just selling so it wasn't just selling a product, he was selling a kind of to . politics and that of woke to. politics and that means that people lose their scepticism stop scepticism. they stop they stop asking reasonable questions asking the reasonable questions of how does of actually, okay, so how does this money? what does the this make money? what does the product lot of product actually do? a lot of the there's no product

the time there's no product at all. silicon valley bank all. yeah, silicon valley bank was money to firms that was giving money to firms that don't any products and don't make any products and that's big worry because all these sort people these the sort of people who want creating the future. want to be creating the future. i if they have this i mean if they have this ideological saw this ideological bent we saw this there viral this week there was a viral this week where had asked chap gtp where someone had asked chap gtp to a joke . kamala harris to write a joke. kamala harris in the style of norm macdonald. and it came back saying, i do that. that would be offensive. and whether they and they asked whether they would joke about would do the same joke about donald. course came would do the same joke about dona straight course came would do the same joke about dona straight couand came would do the same joke about dona straight couand ca so. back straight away and did so. so a politically so you have a politically partisan this partisan group creating this software, technology that software, this technology that is going to work is hopefully going to work from that colonise that perspective. yeah. colonise the not, is it. the planet that's not, is it. no, that's not true. it's a very it's very dangerous. there's a real political as well as real political so as well as lots of people, you know, kind of herd of following the herd and not seeing of these seeing the risks of these products or not seeing that , but products or not seeing that, but useless. yes. politically all the same. i mean, if you look at the same. i mean, if you look at the kind donations i the kind of donations that i give to politics, it's more than 90% give to the democratic 90% they give to the democratic . yes. for instance . and silicon . yes. for instance. and silicon valley left leaning. yeah. and valley left leaning. yeah. and valley bank which which failed ,

valley bank which which failed, you know, it was very big on diversity. very big on this environmental, social and governance in terms diversity governance in terms of diversity , it had a very diverse board ticks all boxes in terms of race, gender, sexuality on its borders our actors only had one person with top level experience in banking. wow well no wonder it failed. so right. it was. yeah, exactly. so it's not a great surprise. these are not necessarily the brightest people giving this stuff. so giving oversight this stuff. so are they hoping that one day things like twitter , although things like twitter, although that's musk, of course. that's now elon musk, of course. but things but yeah, these things will suddenly become somehow that's that's the idea. and, you know, some of the big firms have become profitable because they've become monopolies essentially . but of them essentially. but a lot of them fail. a of them, you fail. and a lot of them, you think, know, you think, you know, if you were a 12 year old, you understand that this to so, this is not going to work. so, yes, i yes, one of the companies i referenced in my is called g—zero in and they managed to get $120 million in investors. it's just a juicer , but it has it's just a juicer, but it has to connect to wi fi for some reason which no, i'm quite understands. okay. softbank is a japanese bank which is a big

funder of tech stuff they gave $300 million to a dog walking app $300 million to a dog walking app yet and so that seems ridiculous it is all. so this is ridiculous. and then there's fraudulent. so you have people like elizabeth holmes who's been jailed for fraud , her company. jailed for fraud, her company. theron. this product didn't theron. yes. this product didn't work. it was meant to test. it was meant to be an all end, all in one test for every illness possible. course, it didn't possible. of course, it didn't work. yeah no work. it was made up. yeah no one thought to check one thought to actually check out this is out or ask questions. this is just endorsed dose by just endorsed joe biden dose by walgreens, the big pharmacy company . everyone is just buying company. everyone is just buying into . so this is just into the hype. so this is just incompetence a massive scale, incompetence on a massive scale, incompetent incompetence on a massive scale. but also it's just a it's con it's just it's a it's a con it's a belief that these people are different. the future. different. they're the future. you see the tech you know, you see the tech gurus, dress differently . gurus, they dress differently. they wall street they don't like the wall street banker haven't banker. they haven't got the pinstripe suit . they're in pinstripe suit. they're in a hoodie, lounging . you hoodie, they're lounging. you know, they're different. they're new some and trade. funny enough, was he on a high enough, he was he was on a high meeting with this firm called sequoia capital, which was also involved with silicon valley

bank. was playing video bank. and he was playing video games while he was in the and instead saying saying, who is instead of saying saying, who is this idiot? why are we dealing with because, you know, with him? because, you know, hundreds dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars, because they thought they were so impressed by. his nonchalance and you know demeanour while and his you know demeanour while he's around on he's sitting around on a beanbag. so, yeah, you know it's in some ways it a lot in common with the old capitalism just as greedy. it's as risky . but with the old capitalism just as greedy. it's as risky. but on the other hand, there's something new about the way that yeah. people are falling for stuff because they're being sold this dream, whether it's the woke dream or the of woke dream or the dream of a kind of future tech, industrial revolution or whatever it might be, this is absolutely fascinating, but we have run out of for tomorrow. thanks so of time for tomorrow. thanks so much having keep so much for having me. keep so after the break, i'm free nation . oh sorry. after the break i'm free speech nation. hugh grant gives a bizarre interview and netflix introduced us to a non binary bison . okay, so see you binary bison. okay, so see you in a few minutes.

welcome back to free speech nation. so it's time for social sensations which is the part of the show that we devote to the things that have gone a bit viral this week and first up this is the red carpet interview hugh grant which a lot of us will have seen. let's have a little refresher . it was such little refresher. it was such an amazing i really loved it. i love a thriller. how fun is it to something like that? well, i'm barely in it. i'm in it for about 3 seconds. yeah but still, you showed up and you had . you showed up and you had. right, almost okay. all right . right, almost okay. all right. okay. well, thank you so much it was nice to talk to you. yeah i mean, it was it was very awkward, to be honest, though. i'm on hugh grant side here like she was the most vacuous interviewer asking who you wearing? do you enjoy being in that film that you were in for 2 seconds and it was just boring

and banal. think someone in and banal. i think someone in hollywood . yeah, i know hollywood. yeah, i know, i know . but it's the oscars is boring and banal if you don't want it to boring and banal, then to be boring and banal, then don't go oscars. don't go to the oscars. i thought it was quite refreshing that of what that he just sort of said what are about? i are you talking about? yeah, i thought was good. yeah. thought that was good. yeah. i mean, he's just a bit of a grumpy isn't it? so yeah. grumpy get, isn't it? so yeah. look, i, she was just trying to do her job. he was being a bit do herjob. he was being a bit of a i'm not going to say what he was. no i didn't agree with her. so i interview it her. so i that interview was it should bit more creative should be a bit more creative and be coming up with and should be coming up with interesting and should be coming up with interesti you wearing? but it was who are you wearing? but it was protest from him but also fair enough that you could enough to protest that you could say the whole say i think the whole thing is ridiculous care. i ridiculous. you don't care. i don't no one cares while don't care. no one cares while you're but at you're doing the charade. but at the time he making the same time he was making that girl's which girl's job difficult, which is kind but a bit harsh. kind of funny, but a bit harsh. maybe i. well, maybe i don't i. okay, well, let's move we've this let's move on. we've got this cartoon bison with a cartoon featuring a bison with a dilemma . well my heart says that dilemma. well my heart says that the way i feel most myself to go by the name fred . that's because by the name fred. that's because i'm non—binary.

by the name fred. that's because i'm non—binary . and fred is the i'm non—binary. and fred is the name that fits me . and i also name that fits me. and i also use they and them because calling me is she or he doesn't feel right to me . it's really feel right to me. it's really embarrassing . yeah. you know, embarrassing. yeah. you know, they say they're after kids, but that's explicitly ideological thing. pushed it but i suppose people have always done that. i mean, you could argue that the chronicles of narnia are pushing the of christianity onto the idea of christianity onto kids. know . so but this kids. you know. so but this is basically same, it ? it basically the same, isn't it? it is same. it's is basically the same. it's really badly shoehorn and it's really badly shoehorn and it's really embarrassing. it is just really embarrassing. it is just really bad writing because if you think about great writing, it should be seamless and it should be entirely natural that you believe it. there's no of that where you actually think, yes, a character would say that. the trouble is, well, it's like speaking as someone who used to be an english teacher, you know, if young kids start using, they them singular them as singing as a singular pronouns, going be pronouns, i'm going to be correcting lot essays because correcting a lot essays because that's of that's classically incorrect of that's classically incorrect of thatis that's classically incorrect of that is bison's fault and that is the bison's fault and let's be fair, the little gates

can't write the best of times when they're having to play with why a cartoon bison our kids to be a literal i thought that really missed a trick i thought it to be bison it was going to be a bison here's my bison they didn't here's my bison but they didn't didn't have been didn't go far would have been done that i don't love done and that that i don't love it but i thought that's why they were going to go with it but they didn't they took it to a level further. okay. well, anyway, look this the part of the talk through the show where we talk through your you've your unfiltered dilemmas, you've been emailing been very kindly emailing in your . our first item is your problems. our first item is from matt in staines. matt says, hi, andrew, i am a romantic type , but whenever i treat my wife to a candle lit dinner or weekend getaway , best friend weekend getaway, best friend takes the mic relentlessly. however, now he loved up. he's taking his better half to amsterdam to look at some. so i call him out for double standards now. call him out from terrible holiday like i'm sensitive to the tulips. oh, they both going for better sex tourism? yeah, clearly . and

tourism? yeah, clearly. and they've got drugs from a mix as well. yeah, they're going to look tulips. your friend is pathetic. dump him . there's pathetic. dump him. there's actually a kind of joint. it's like a it's literally just a joint with a massive thing on the end . that's how you know the end. that's how you know about this culture . oh, i've. about this culture. oh, i've. i've i've met. you've met people and i use this in my time you've read about i've read about them. yeah. you. i mean, yeah. yeah. do you. i mean, you're. you have a girlfriend, don't you? yeah. yeah i surprised. i wasn't surprised. no, i wasn't surprised. no, i wasn't surprised do her surprised. but do you take her to see flowers do you take it to garden centre for weekend. she does like a garden and she's into and crystals into plants and crystals and tarot. yeah she tarot. is that right. yeah she which she would say she would which she would say she would which . okay. you know, so what i which. okay. you know, so what i took on holiday for a birthday . took on holiday for a birthday. are you a romantic? romantic a little bit. i can't it a little bit. i'm a yeah. little bit. i can't it a little bit. i'm a yeah . are you a bit. i'm a yeah. are you a romantic? yeah you are? no, not really. let's move on now, because it's personal. let me hear. because it's personal. let me hear . from an because it's personal. let me hear. from an artist called david. david says i've had a painting removed from online

exhibition because i objected to their use of preferred pronouns. is i don't really care. am i too apathetic? well, you know, it's interesting with these questions i want to know, like , should you i want to know, like, should you get involved in these cultural battles or should you just walk away nature? away painting of a bison nature? it a yeah. beat it was a bison. yeah. very beat about a bison. about that i probably a bison. what i what do you make of i mean, should get think so should people get think so that's painting therefore that's your painting therefore not being in the exhibition. yeah that feels like you should stand up yourself a bit stand up yourself a little bit when that . yeah, when it comes to that. yeah, look, when it comes to look, i think when it comes to these things, everybody these types of things, everybody has judgement has to make own judgement because very easy for because it's very easy for somebody to go, you , should somebody to go, oh you, should get this person , get involved and this person, their career is on the line for their career is on the line for the mortgage i've got kids whatever for isn't whatever it's easy for us isn't it us because the it easy for us because the problem with us keep my problem with us we can't keep my mouth shut well, yeah, mouth shut. well, yeah, but there's but like i can get there's that. but like i can get involved in culture warriors because i know i'm not going to get fired for because it's get fired for it because it's kind my. so it's the kind of part of my. so it's the ideal situation it ideal situation but i get it a lot of people if they do object, they in trouble, the they get in trouble, what the hell on hell they want to die on a question. the painting question. well, the painting thing. well does thing. yeah. yeah. well does he want say he's

want to do like you say he's going his thing or going to make this his thing or is that going to kind of, you know, chances becoming know, ruin chances of becoming a great well, we haven't great painter? well, we haven't given him an answer, really. have , don't worry have you just said, don't worry about dave. you're right about it, dave. you're right there. go keep painting. keep there. we go keep painting. keep painting. that's painting. i don't think that's any kind answer. but anyway, thank you for joining any kind answer. but anyway, thank you forjoining us any kind answer. but anyway, thank you for joining us for free speech nation excuse me. i just swallowed a tooth. this was a week when oxfam tackled the colonial english language. donald trump claimed that he's about to be arrested and netflix supported the plight of nonbinary bison . thank you so nonbinary bison. thank you so much to my panel and jonathan and francis foster. don't forget that francis foster is going to be performing at the etc. theatre in london very soon. what date is that? francis it's on the a very professional day for go and get tickets for us to do go and get tickets for us to do go and get tickets for jonathan believe for that. jonathan cogan believe will could will be supporting. so you could skip then go and see skip bit and then go and see francis . you join skip bit and then go and see francis. you join us francis. if you want to join us live the studio , be part live in the studio, be part of our audience. can our wonderful audience. you can definitely do that. please just go ww dot sro audiences .com go to ww dot sro audiences .com and come and join us and stay tuned for the brilliant mark dolan tonight. that's tuned for the brilliant mark dolan tonight . that's next. and

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through monday. skies for a time as cloud across northern scotland the next weather system starting to move into southwest england for the afternoon and south wales in between could be a few glimmers of sunshine lifting to 14 or 15 celsius where we see any brightness into the evening time bands of rain push northern eastwards across the country. some this could be heavy at times the wind starting to pick up around some irish sea coasts too so wet night come however we will see some dry interludes starting to develop into the southwest. come the end of the night. temperatures as a result, we have a lot of cloud rain around. we'll be on the outside 7 to 9 celsius. generally start tuesday morning. a wet start across scotland. northern parts of , a wet start across scotland. northern parts of, england, this rain pushing north eastwards through the day, brightening up behind. there will be some sunny spells, but into afternoon spells, but into the afternoon this trigger some heavy this will trigger some heavy showers, the odd showers, perhaps the odd thunderstorm or two. and then the batch of wet and windy the next batch of wet and windy weather in from the weather moves in from the atlantic the far west , stays atlantic in the far west, stays unsettled the next few

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