welcome to gloria made three cracking interviews for you this evening. first up, it's the labour mp and former army officer dan jarvis . and i just officer dan jarvis. and i just had this moment where i thought, well , you know, there is a had this moment where i thought, well, you know, there is a real risk that i could get captured. i'm not going to get captured because being captured by the taliban not something that taliban is not something that you to happen. elapses in you wanted to happen. elapses in 2019, you won the seat from dennis skinner , the conservative dennis skinner, the conservative mp for bolsover. mark fletcher i always struggled with aggressive men and sort of male culture, macho culture, because it's to

me it's like if it goes to a certain edge, if there's a certain edge, if there's a certain level of conflict which two of us might just be banter. to me, i'm ten years old and scared again in my head. i know the 2019 conservative mp , it's the 2019 conservative mp, it's the 2019 conservative mp, it's the member for darlington , peter the member for darlington, peter gibson. i'm a gay man and the thought of being subjected to some treatment that would change me is just utterly crackers. it cannot be done. all that after your news headlines . good your news headlines. good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez. in the gb newsroom, the home secretary says rwanda is ready to receive migrants and she hopes to start deportation flights by the summer. suella braverman has continued her visit to rwanda , where earlier visit to rwanda, where earlier today she met with students from kepler, a non—profit university program where at least 25% of

his students are refugees . ms. his students are refugees. ms. bronfman also attended a street fair which was organised to celebrate commonwealth day . the celebrate commonwealth day. the uk and rwanda are vowing to step up efforts to tackle migration. they agreement between the two countries has been expanded to include all illegal migrants and not just asylum seekers . not just asylum seekers. progress is being made rapidly and i'm really confident on the back of the progress that i've seen here in kigali that we will be able to operationalise this world leading agreement very , world leading agreement very, very soon. the big point here is that there will be a package of high quality humanitarian support for people who will be relocated to rwanda . that relocated to rwanda. that combined with our robust new laws, will be able will enable to us break the business model of the people smuggling gangs. what the deal with rwanda has cost £140 million. which shadow levelling up.7 secretary lisa

nandy says could have been better spent .7 we think you better spent? we think you should take that money, put it into the national crime agency, create a cross—border cell that disrupts the criminal gangs and send the clear , responsible send the clear, responsible message to those criminal gangs that their behaviour won't be tolerated and that will bring them to account should they persist . instead, we've had more persist. instead, we've had more and more of the tough talk from this government and last year the boat crossings hit a record high of 45,000 is not working andifs high of 45,000 is not working and it's about time the government recognised that. former chancellor kwasi kwarteng has accepted he and liz truss made mistakes with their mini—budget last autumn , which mini—budget last autumn, which triggered market turmoil . mini—budget last autumn, which triggered market turmoil. in a gb news exclusive interview, he says the current chancellor jeremy hunt has done a good job of stabilising the economy . i of stabilising the economy. i think jeremy rightly perhaps has adopted a cautious approach given what happened last winter , and he's also very much, i think , looking at the markets, think, looking at the markets, looking at what treasury

officials are doing and trying to do it in a methodical way. and that's where i think i and liz got it wrong . boris johnson liz got it wrong. boris johnson will publish evidence in his defence over allegations he misled parliament on the partygate scandal. he's expected to submit a dossier to the commons privileges committee tomorrow before being questioned by mp on wednesday. the investigation is being chaired by labour's harriet harman, but the panel has a conservative majority . cabinet minister majority. cabinet minister oliver dowden believes the former prime minister will provide compelling evidence . provide compelling evidence. having worked with boris for many years in different capacities, i'm quite sure that he will put forward a very robust defence of his case when he appears before the committee on wednesday . ultimately, this on wednesday. ultimately, this is a procedure of the house of commons that it's always been the case in these sort of things is up to individual members to make up their own mind. so first of will be for the of all, it will be for the committee to make a determination. and if that necessitates to the necessitates it going to the floor house, it would be

floor of the house, it would be up to individual mp to make up to each individual mp to make up to each individual mp to make up their mind. vladimir putin has made a surprise visit to the ukraine of mariupol, ukraine city of mariupol, according to russian state media. it's believed to be his first visit to a newly occupied ukraine territory since the start the war. the port city start of the war. the port city in donetsk was destroyed by one of the most violent sieges of the conflict . tv online and dab+ the conflict. tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. more news at the top of the hour . news at the top of the hour. dan jarvis , labour mp for dan jarvis, labour mp for barnsley central . i've been barnsley central. i've been trying to get a sit down with you for ages , so thank you for you for ages, so thank you for finally coming. you are unusual. you were an officer in the british army. you served in northern ireland, in kosovo, in

sierra leone , in iraq and sierra leone, in iraq and afghanistan . why on earth are afghanistan. why on earth are you now a labour mp? well i believe in public service . i believe in public service. i also believe in the importance of the team of getting difficult things done by working with others. that was the ethos of my time in the army getting difficult things done . it's the difficult things done. it's the same in politics. you have to work with other people and the bafic work with other people and the basic essence of being a member of and an mp for the labour party is that you believe in the collective, you believe that by working together can achieve working together you can achieve more than can, working more than you can, working alone. know many people alone. so i know many people will i left will very surprised that i left the parachute regiment and became a labour mp . but for me, became a labour mp. but for me, the golden thread that runs through is public service through it all is public service is doing something important to make a difference to other people. i'm going to talk for most of this interview about what it is like to serve our country. first of all, i just want to ask you about what it's like being a single parent,

because tragedy struck your family in 2010 and suddenly you're a single parent . i think you're a single parent. i think being a single parent is the hardest job in the world. when previously there were two of you doing all of the jobs , all of doing all of the jobs, all of the things that have to be done, every single day, and then all of a sudden it's just you and that daily routine getting the kids ready for school in the morning, getting them up, giving them breakfast, school uniform, doing the school run. it is epic . when you're on your own . so . when you're on your own. so that's hard . and of course, that's hard. and of course, there's no resilience or insurance policy within the household. if you know, previously, if one of you had been unwell, the other one could take the strain. but if it's just you , it's all on you. so just you, it's all on you. so it's an incredibly difficult job. there are amazing single parents around the country who are coping and doing the very best that they can, but, you know, i have to confess, it was it was hard going. okay. so let's talk about your journey.

you leave comprehensive school , you leave comprehensive school, but you attend some at first for your training , for your officer your training, for your officer training . sandhurst is famously training. sandhurst is famously filled mostly by people who went to private school is not a problem that most people at sandhurst went to private school and not from your background. well i think things are a bit better now, but certainly when i went there, i felt very out of place . i remember walking up place. i remember walking up through the doors of this incredibly grand building and my comprehensive school that i'd been to was a good school, but it didn't prepare me to go to a place like sandhurst. and i was surrounded by people who were more confident than i was because of the nature of their pubuc because of the nature of their public school background. i remember being told that the suit that i bought, which i thought was a very smart suit from marks and spencers, if i if i can say that i was told very early on that it just wasn't good enough, it wasn't smart

enough, and i need to go get another suit the, my shoes another suit and the, my shoes want right sort of shoes. want the right sort of shoes. and stood in a corridor and you all stood in a corridor when you get there with other people who, you know, they've got very expensive pinstripe suits really posh tweed suits and really posh tweed jackets and you kind of look around you think, well, you know, is this a place for me? and is this some way that i can be successful in? but i think in a funny way, that only made me more determined to do the very best that i could. so i think it was a bit of a sink or swim moment. you either kind of make the best of it and get on with it, or you kind of walk away and leave it behind. and my philosophy was, get your head down, work hard and make a success it. that's what success of it. and that's what i tried to do. i was reading about some training practises some of the training practises at sandhurst, write at sandhurst, and you write about something called middling, which i had never heard of, which i had never heard of, which i had never heard of, which i was reading open mouthed . just explain what happens . . just explain what happens. well, middling comes a bit later, so middling is something thatis

later, so middling is something that is unique to the parachute regiment . that is unique to the parachute regiment. basically that is unique to the parachute regiment . basically boxing where regiment. basically boxing where you are pitted against somebody else and you basically have to box with them. but in a very aggressive and violent way for a penod aggressive and violent way for a period of time. so it's not pleasant, but it is designed to test your mettle because if you're joining the parachute regiment, if you're going to be, you know, going into the most difficult and an challenging situations , the army needs to situations, the army needs to know that you've got the mettle to cope with those kind of situations. so not a nice situations. so it's not a nice thing to do. it's pretty unpleasant . and it's a it's a unpleasant. and it's a it's a hard thing to do, but it is an important part. the training. so you and of the like kick the insert word out of each other. yeah pretty much. and basically that's designed to test whether if you get knocked down or to get knocked down on occasions, are you going to get back up and thatis are you going to get back up and that is a good test of your determination. it is not pretty . and so people would not be

especially approving of it as a as a training technique. but if you're going to be in the paras, you're going to be in the paras, you know, the system needs to know that you can cope without violence and that pressure. so that's why we did and that's that's why we did it and that's why it's done to this day. wow this is what you said about iraq . you said that it's impossible not to conclude that it was a grave error. now you have a debate in parliament. tell me what the debate in parliament is designed to achieve. well, my debate in parliament is to debate in parliament is to debate the rights and wrongs of the war. it's absolutely legitimate that people have a view about whether it was the right thing or the wrong thing. but the purpose of my day debate solely commemorate the solely is to commemorate the service and the sacrifice of those very brave men and women who stepped in good who stepped forward in good faith in all armed faith to serve in all armed forces and didn't come back. so this 20th anniversary milestone, i think , provides an important i think, provides an important opportunity to commemorate them and their service to ensure that

they are not forgotten . and as they are not forgotten. and as i say, regardless of the rights or wrongs the conflict , i think wrongs of the conflict, i think it is very important that we don't sight of the fact don't lose sight of the fact that servicemen and that british servicemen and women behaved and conducted themselves with extraordinary professionalism on the very difficult circumstances and my debate will seek to ensure that thatis debate will seek to ensure that that is remembered. do you have anidea that is remembered. do you have an idea or a picture in your mind about how we might remember? well, i think it's just important that we don't forget about the service and the sacrifice this will be a difficult moment for the families . you know, they will families. you know, they will still be grieving their loved ones. and whilst i complete , ones. and whilst i complete, they understand why some people won't take the opportunity to get detail of whether get into the detail of whether it the thing or it was the right thing or whether it was the wrong thing. i understand all of but i understand all of that. but what want to do is just make what i want to do is just make sure that collectively in parliament cross—party parliament on a cross—party basis, together and say, basis, we come together and say, regardless or the regardless of the rights or the wrongs that particular wrongs of that particular conflict, will ensure that conflict, we will ensure that we never forget service and the never forget the service and the sacrifice those down

sacrifice of those who laid down their lives . when you were in their lives. when you were in afghanistan , having read your afghanistan, having read your book, i think this is the most difficult situation that you found yourself in throughout your years of service . there was your years of service. there was a moment where you feared that you were going to be captured by the taliban and you momentarily wondered if you would shoot yourself rather than be taken captive . just saying that is captive. just saying that is quite chilling, actually . talk quite chilling, actually. talk me through the what was going through your mind . the through your mind. the deployment to afghanistan was extraordinarily difficult for lots of different reasons. there were many moments of profound uncertainty and doubt. there was doubtin uncertainty and doubt. there was doubt in my mind about whether i should have even been there in the first place and on a daily basis, you were grappling with the challenge of trying to keep your soldiers alive. that that's primarily what is there to do to keep my soldiers alive. and throughout the duration of the

deployment, there were many, many difficult and challenging moments. the one you refer to in particular was a moment where i found myself alone in the desert , in the dark , and having been , in the dark, and having been there for a number of months, i knew that i was worn down and fatigued by the whole process of having to make these difficult judgements. every single day. and the burden of being the boss. you know, when you're in command of your company, it's all you. you have to make the all on you. you have to make the decision. they are life and decision. and they are life and death decisions you're death decisions that you're taking and i just taking every day. and i just remember a moment of profound difficulty where all of a sudden i was on my own. i'd got split up from the rest of my company in in the dark. up from the rest of my company in in the dark . and i just had in in the dark. and i just had this moment where i thought, well , you know, there is a this moment where i thought, well, you know, there is a real risk that i could get captured. i'm not going to get captured because being captured by the

taliban is not something that you wanted to happen. so your time addled mind is going through different through all the different scenarios, of what scenarios, the sort of what if what this happens? if what if this happens? what if that happens? in that moment that happens? and in that moment i made this judgement that i just made this judgement that i just made this judgement that i somehow going i was somehow going to find a way to make sure that i wasn't captured and that was a very, very difficult moment, which i've thought about many times subsequently. but i think it just exemplifies the sort of the difficulties and the pressures that people are put under, under those very difficult circumstances. terrifying to listen to that. i just want to clarify just because you said something and i just want to put on the record because i think you'll thank me for it. you said. i even questions whether i should be that was not should be there. that was not because the nature the because of the nature of the operation, wasn't that was operation, wasn't it? that was just because, obviously it's difficult anybody to leave difficult for anybody to leave their families. yes, that's absolutely it wasn't absolutely right. so it wasn't about importance of the about the importance of the mission itself, which i think was the right thing to do. it's just that i was at what just that i was there at what was a very challenging time for myself family and i was myself and my family and i was constantly wracked with doubt

about whether i should be in afghanistan with my company and my soldiers or whether i should have been at home with my family. okay let's talk a little bit about politics. i don't think you would contest me saying that labour has a problem, has has a problem with its connection with working class voters . somebody with your class voters. somebody with your background , i mean, surely you background, i mean, surely you could be the answer. let me tell you, when you first got selected as it comes out in barnsley and in the tea rooms like me and my colleague was say , my gosh, if colleague was say, my gosh, if you seen we've got like some former army officer that is going to be a labour mp. i mean, he's got to be the next leader . he's got to be the next leader. are you. would you ever contemplate a sit down leading your party? well, let me firstly, just pick up on your important point about the connection to working class voters . i connection to working class voters. i mean, connection to working class voters . i mean, throughout its voters. i mean, throughout its history, the labour party has had this challenge of being able to talk to people in hampstead

while at the same time being able to talk to people in hull. now i'm extremely proud to be a yorkshire mp and to be the mp for barnsley central. so you can probably guess where i sit in terms of the kind of hampstead versus the whole debate. and i think whilst things are going pretty well for us, you know, we're in a good position in the polls, nobody's remotely complacent about the challenge that the labour party still faces as to cross the line and to get into government and an incredibly important part of thatis incredibly important part of that is being able to talk to voters and firstly listen and then talk to voters in what sometimes people refer to as the red wall seats . and i think we red wall seats. and i think we always need to make sure that as always need to make sure that as a party, nobody can ever say or think that we are a party of people who live in london . and people who live in london. and i live in south yorkshire. i'm very proud to live in barnsley . very proud to live in barnsley. and my perspective on politics, on the world is through the

prism of my constitu once and my constituency . so i try and make constituency. so i try and make sure that i'm their voice in parliament, but also their voice in terms of an important debate about the labour party and developing a policy agenda that speaks to the challenges that working people face, not just in my part of the world, but right around the country. so i'm not remotely complacent about sort of the challenge we face, but we need to make sure that in the months and the years to come that people in hull, as well as people in hampstead look at us as the people who've got the analysis and understand the challenges of their daily lives on our best place to serve them in government. you ever in government. would you ever rule leading your party one rule out leading your party one day? well, it's not something that i give a huge amount of thought i'm very thought to. i mean, i'm very fortunate the sense as fortunate in the sense that as well having experience well as having life experience outside of politics, i was also for four years somewhat eccentric because many people in my didn't want do my party didn't want me to do it. i was the mayor of south yorkshire. now that's given a yorkshire. now that's given me a

bit taste what it's like bit of a taste of what it's like to be in government, and it's not easy. there are all sorts of challenges frictions that challenges and frictions that you every so not you encounter every day. so not for moment die on the for one moment die on the challenges of in the challenges of being in the leadership being in leadership role and being in government. i actually government. but i actually think that got an exceptional that we've got an exceptional leader in keir starmer. look at the journey and look at the transformation. you know what it was back in time? we've was like back in time? we've come long way and he's done come a long way and he's done a fantastic in getting us to fantastic job in getting us to where we are now. that's the first time had the first time we had done the politician and what i love so much about that is that you have the most extraordinary life story , and i'm incredibly story, and i'm incredibly grateful, actually , that you grateful, actually, that you have shared it with us. dan jarvis, thank you. my pleasure. thank you. glory coming up, conservative mp mark fletcher. you also need to recognise the things that aren't good in your life, the things that you struggle with. because so often they're the things that actually empower you, that the things that actually make you want to make a difference. coming up, conservative mp peter gibson . i conservative mp peter gibson. i call it abuse , basically trying

call it abuse, basically trying to tell gay people convert gay people from being gay into being heterosexual .

mark fletcher , i wanted to do mark fletcher, i wanted to do this interview with you for a long time. so pleased that you are sitting here with me today. you were elected as a conservative mp for bolsover . conservative mp for bolsover. you beat dennis skinner. i want to talk to you about growing up because you grew up in a household where you were subject to witness to domestic abuse. can you tell me about that? yeah, i. i mean, i had a brilliant mum. she was my best friend. she was amazing. she was sort of five foot two and

scottish and had a very fiery temper. the sort of temper . but temper. the sort of temper. but a virgin innately. my mum sort of married another guy when i was sort of around seven and something like that. and he was not a great guy. he was someone who i think he really resented mine and my mum's close relationship. i think he really resented me sort of looking back. but there were a lot of things at the time felt normal, but actually they really weren't. so he used to sort of take me for drives, which my mum thought was a nice thing. you know, sort of father son bonding time kind of thing, but actually he'd just hit me in the car and you know, there were similar things throughout. i used to sort of spy on me in the house and stuff. it was very strange. and then it sort of exploded. my mum found out he was having an affair . i

mum found out he was having an affair. i think i was 11 years old and he confronted her and i remember sort of him being he beat her up downstairs . i was beat her up downstairs. i was sort of upstairs trying to do my geography coursework or or homework, rather, and a he came upstairs . i homework, rather, and a he came upstairs. i can't quite homework, rather, and a he came upstairs . i can't quite repeat upstairs. i can't quite repeat what the words he used because they're not broadcast able, but he said, this is all your fault , you little and insert word , , you little and insert word, which i didn't know what the word meant at the time, but it's one of those things where my mum was amazingly strong, but she didn't cope with that period at all. well, she was very proud. she'd been a financial adviser in a very male world in the eighties and nineties. she was very strong willed and i think she felt very or empowered . and she felt very or empowered. and for me, i ended up she had a bit

of a breakdown as the only thing and she didn't want to press charges and i was looking after my mum. i wasn't at school, i was trying to like look after her. you were an only child, mark? i am an only child. well i'm average only child or the eldest of five, depending how you want to say it. my dad has remarried and they've got four kids, but in that household i was an only child and so i missed a lot of school in year seven. and then i ended up in hospital because my digestive system gave up a lot of my body sort of gave up a i don't know, i do a i do a sort of gave up a i don't know, idoaidoatalk sort of gave up a i don't know, i do a i do a talk for sort of gave up a i don't know, ido a i do atalkfora sort of gave up a i don't know, i do a i do a talk for a year nines usually in my schools and i always say you're taught when you're that age to focus on everything, that you're good at everything, that you're good at everything you know, if you're bright, if you're good at sports , if you're good at music a bit, you also need to recognise the things that aren't good in your

life, the things you life, the things that you struggle because so often struggle with, because so often they're the things that actually empower the things empower you, that the things that make to that actually make you want to make a difference . and bit make a difference. and i'm a bit of a azam for my job. i'm a bit of a azam for my job. i'm a bit of a azam for my job. i'm a bit of a crusader. and i use the example of what happened in with my stepdad because you know, i never expected to talk about it. and i talked about it in the house of commons. we help to get children recognised as victims in the domestic abuse bill, which i'm really proud of . i use which i'm really proud of. i use that as an example to kids who might not be in the best position themselves and thinking, i go and thinking, maybe i can go and change world in some way as change the world in some way as well. did you tell anyone at the time ? no, no , i didn't. i mean, time? no, no, i didn't. i mean, my godparents who are amazing are they knew ? but i think they are they knew? but i think they were the only people that knew otherwise. my dad didn't know for years. i never told my dad, which i regret in lots of ways. but i'm also glad because i think my dad would have probably

acted as a do over man, would acted as a do over man, would act . but yeah, no, i didn't tell act. but yeah, no, i didn't tell anyone. you said in that speech , which you made the first speech you made after your election, you said that these are experiences which shape you to quote you. let me say that it casts a lifelong shadow on those children who are affected . can children who are affected. can you tell me how? because i think you tell me how? because i think you you grow up and try and understand the world you're always learning. i mean, to some extent, i'm 37 now and i'm still learning about how the world works and its different worlds that i'm in now in westminster. but i think you look for what's normal and when something like that happens, it's not normal. but you know, going for a drive and getting beaten up by a lie was normal . you know, i talked a was normal. you know, i talked a lot actually about how i've always struggled with aggressive

men and sort of male culture, macho culture, because it's to me, it's like if it goes to a certain age, if there's a certain age, if there's a certain level of conflict, which two of us might just be banter to me, i'm ten years old and scared again in my head because that's what i associate it with. that's what i associate strong men with . and that's a really men with. and that's a really difficult thing. and actually perhaps it's good that i sort of recognise it, but it's one of those things that you don't escape. how did you escape the situation? what happened? how did how did this man leave your life and your mum's life? well after the night i just mentioned, there was , i think, mentioned, there was, i think, 12 months of sort of legal arguments. my mum and my stepdad were business partners, but there were lots of sort of disputes and bits and pieces. but i never saw him after that .

but i never saw him after that. i've never spoken to him since that night. and you know that i'm actually quite relieved about. i'm actually quite relieved about . so in a sense it ended at about. so in a sense it ended at the moment of greatest tension . the moment of greatest tension. but it it wasn't something that you you know, i've never been keen to find him again, weirdly. i got a letter , my new house, i got a letter, my new house, which is however many houses along there, a couple of months ago, asking if i knew where he was because an old company were looking for him. and it was the first time anyone had referenced him by name in however many years. it was very strange . more years. it was very strange. more from mark fletcher after the break. i think part of it is that i couldn't protect my mum . that i couldn't protect my mum. i think you know, you feel as a as a man that you want to be able to do something .

you've talked about shame as well as terror . you've talked about shame as well as terror. i didn't get the shame thing. explain that to me, because . i think part of it is because. i think part of it is that i couldn't protect my mum . that i couldn't protect my mum. i think, you know , you feel as a i think, you know, you feel as a as a man that you want to be able to do something . i think able to do something. i think there's a shame in i think most victims would recognise an element of shame of my being over an almost feeling guilty for that i've almost feeling guilty about talking about it in a sense because you you just want to sort of get on with your life now, you know, i'm very happy with my life now, but you have this sort echo of the past

that comes every now and then , that comes every now and then, sometimes in a positive way . you sometimes in a positive way. you know, i was with i did an amazing thing. i went out to see the royal marines in norway a few weeks ago. and it was what you would expect to be a hyper male culture and actually was anything but. it was one of the most tolerant places. i actually was quite emotional about how amazing was to be surrounded by so many men who actually were, you know, the very best of britain. but the other side of thatis britain. but the other side of that is sometimes you just feel like you wish it hadn't happened to you. you wish it wasn't you that had had the issue of domestic abuse. should not be seen as a women's issue . and men seen as a women's issue. and men must speak out those. if it's your your words . there's not your your words. there's not much evidence of this is that you are you are in a minority. yeah and it's an interest in this. there is some slightly

difficult conversations to have. i think, when you speak to veterans charities, when you speak to domestic abuse charities , they will often charities, they will often recognise . sometimes women used recognise. sometimes women used allegations of domestic abuse against men to give themselves an advantage and equally, you get a in which a lot of men are terrified to talk about it and you know that it's not just women . i mean, it's same sex women. i mean, it's same sex relationships as. well, i, i get a little bit distressed when we more sort of violence against women and girls and domestic abuse , because i think they are abuse, because i think they are actually different things as obviously a huge overlap. and i'm not sort of naive , but i i'm not sort of naive, but i think it's really important . think it's really important. male victims don't feel like they're of it and that they don't have a place to sort of talk about it . and it is you're talk about it. and it is you're right. it does not a there's not a lot of the percentagewise in

terms of recorded crimes. there aren't that many of them. but b, there aren't very many people who speak up about it . and i who speak up about it. and i think that that makes it more difficult. and you sort of alluded to, if you don't like this phrase than correct, take toxic masculinity . is there any toxic masculinity. is there any government policy that can do anything about that? no, that's anything about that? no, that's a that's a societal thing . and i a that's a societal thing. and i think that's something the it's weird. if you look at younger generations, i'm not sure they have it is anywhere near as pronounced as they did. you know, when i visit my schools in my constituency now, i feel it's very different if i look at the generation of staffers in parliament that used be a staffer in parliament. you know, i think they're very different. i think they're very different. i think they're very different. i think there's been a real evolution of what being a 21st century man is for , of a better century man is for, of a better phrase. but know undoubtedly there are pockets of it. and i think it used to be sort of

schools and sports were where it was the worst . i schools and sports were where it was the worst. i think schools and sports were where it was the worst . i think schools was the worst. i think schools have done in lot a lot of schools have done a really good job of evolving that. but it's also yeah , there are moments also yeah, there are moments when you see a group of lads and you think, oh, you know , this is you think, oh, you know, this is going. but for the most part, i think generationally there been a huge shift. final question, you were one of the conservative mps at the carlton club. that's the central london members club. you had to intervene in a very serious situation involving the former deputy chief whip chris pincher . but knight arguably pincher. but knight arguably seals boris johnson's fate as prime minister can you talk about what happened that night? there's i have a lifelong habit of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. not able to say very much. yes i was there . i am very much. yes i was there. i am a witness to a an that is

ongoing . and therefore i don't ongoing. and therefore i don't want to prejudice that investigation. all as i can't say much more than that really, but any idea when it will conclude? i would hope sooner rather than later. but i can't say for certain. thank you for talking to me. i expected it to be a great interview. i think it takes courage, but is courage for a purpose. and i think that purpose is a really noble one. i'm sorry for what you and your mum endured, but hopefully your words will prevent other children and women going through the same. matt fletcher, thank you . coming up, conservative mp you. coming up, conservative mp peter gibson. if i take his back to pre 2005, gay people couldn't even into a civil partnership so we've come on an awful long journey and i think the is on that journey to but at a much slower pace .

peter gibson conservative mp for darlington, elected at the last election. your mum was an nhs midwife . your dad worked as midwife. your dad worked as a shipwright at smith's dock. you grew up in the north east. were you always sure you were conserved? well, i'm from the north—east born, raised, educated , run my business in the educated, run my business in the north—east, deeply, deeply passionate about everything to do with the north—east. and that was my motivation for getting involved in politics. i felt that the north east had a great deal to offer, but i came from the land of mundell and moallem. milburn and when i look around the north east and i look for those signs of what they'd actually brought to our region , actually brought to our region, they're very sadly lacking . and they're very sadly lacking. and yeah, that was my motivation for getting involved in politics. family, friends stood for the council when i was ten and i got involved delivering leaflets, number catching at polling

stations and kind of got the book visit at parliament. when i was 16. and yeah, lifelong ambition fulfilled. you entered into a civil partnership with your partner, gareth dad in 2008? yeah any plans to marry ? 2008? yeah any plans to marry? so gareth and i have both been on a very long political journey together. we met at the young conservatives and our civil partnership in 2008 was a fantastic celebration with friends from around the country, many friends inside , the many friends inside, the conservative party, our respective witnesses at the time were my mum and his mum. sadly, my mum's no longer with us and we've always had the ambition that one day we will convert civil partnership into a marriage and it's just finding the right time in our own lives to do that. and so the discussion that's been going on in respect of what the church of england is doing or considering doing, has been quite relevant to us. you're a christian. yes i'm a i'm a roman catholic. rest. roman catholic. gareth

confirmed member of the church of england a new have criticised the church of england's continued refusal to hold same sex marriages . you said the sex marriages. you said the church is to tier system on relationships , labels gay people relationships, labels gay people as second class citizens . tell as second class citizens. tell me why this is something that you're campaigning on. well the discussion that the church was having with regards to allowing same sex marriage to happen in england , contrasts with the england, contrasts with the situation in wales and in scotland , where those things are scotland, where those things are able to happen. and you just to look at how the church treats its own clergy in respect of civil partnerships and gay marriages and the advice that it gives to them. so this is about equality and fairness and trying to eliminate those discrepancies in its stance. how you going to do that? well, we continue to raise the issue in parliament. and fundamentally, the law is

such that at this point in time, there is a there is a bar in the legislation that prevents the church of england from conducting those. so parliament could actually pass legislation to that bar, putting the to remove that bar, putting the responsibility firmly back in the synods come . but i welcome the synods come. but i welcome the synods come. but i welcome the fact that the blessing is now going to start happening . now going to start happening. we're on a journey. if i take us back to pre 2005, gay people couldn't even enter into a civil partnership. so we've come on an awful long journey and i think the church is on that journey too. but at a much slower pace . too. but at a much slower pace. do you think parliament should legislate ? i think parliament legislate? i think parliament should remove any barriers that exist in law to the church being able to do it. i think it's a decision for the church, but i think legislation that exists in parliament that prevents them from doing it should be removed. okay something else you're campaigning on is to press the government to conversion therapy . just explain what conversion therapy is . well, conversion

therapy is. well, conversion therapy is. well, conversion therapy takes a number of forms in different parts of the world. there's been some studies done, some countries have already legislated for it. and what it is, is basically a system of coercion and control . i call it coercion and control. i call it abuse , basically trying to tell abuse, basically trying to tell gay people, convert gay people from being gay into being heterosexual and also people who transgender to not being transgender. why is this campaign important here? this to me is about the freedom of an individual to be who they are and the most truth, the lie that somebody can be converted from something that they're they already are . i intrinsically already are. i intrinsically know that i'm a gay man and the thought of being subjected to some treatment that would treat or change me is just utterly

crackers . it cannot be done . and crackers. it cannot be done. and so i think that abuse and when you read those stories of coercion and control being in a religious in a medical setting orindeed religious in a medical setting or indeed in a family setting, it's something that i really passionate belief that we should do. so we've done a whole host of things about protecting individuals women and girls. oops skirting female genital mutilation and domestic abuse . mutilation and domestic abuse. to my mind, banning therapy sits fully within that scope of those protections that parliament bnngs protections that parliament brings into look after people. when did you realise you were gay? that's a really difficult question. i think you you know, as a teenager, you grow up and you feel you're different. you feel that you're the only one. i think the world is very different now. you know, from being a teenager. when i was in the eighties, early 1990. so i didn't actually come out until i was 21. so it's quite late

compared to people who come out now. watch much earlier. i was an event last night and i met a guy who was 57 and he's only come out five years ago to wait till he was 52. and that's just the scale of the change that we've been on as a society. and i want everybody to be able to be themselves and be open some accusing the government of drugging that feet. they say, are going to ban conversion therapy . they haven't . juswant therapy. they haven't. juswant the criticisms of the government dragging their feet are far. well, i think we need to sort of segregate out who's doing what, at what stages and i think it's been a difficult journey . you been a difficult journey. you know, being involved in politics, you see things on the inside as well as the public perception and i think if i was sitting on the outside, i'd say nothing's happened, nothing's changed. when's it happening? i know from the work that i've done, people like eliot colburn and alicia kearns and the work

that we've done engaging with ministers and raising this at every level that work is ongoing . it's not an easy thing to . if . it's not an easy thing to. if it was easy, we would have done it was easy, we would have done it . but it's a it was easy, we would have done it. but it's a complex it was easy, we would have done it . but it's a complex issue and it. but it's a complex issue and i think it gets mixed up with the whole discussion about trans rights as well. and i think that confuses the picture about what conversion therapy or conversion practises ban is all. the education secretary michelle donelan said earlier this year that the government will now carry out work to ensure any new laws do not, i quote inadvertently criminalise parents or clinicians having legitimate conversations with young people who are experiencing distress because of their gender identity. it's not any alarm bells to you. no, not particularly. i don't want a situation where people are forced down one route or another. and i think it's perfectly right and appropriate

for if we take the issue of a trans person having a legitimate exploration in a medical setting about what's is absolutely appropriate for them is absolutely right . but conversion absolutely right. but conversion practises are about treating terminal outcome, having a legitimate conversation about whether you are gay or trans, exploring your sexuality and your gender identity is perfectly valid thing for a family or a medical practitioner to have. so that doesn't ring any particular alarm bells to me. this is really complex and we've got to get it right and we've got to get it right and we've got to protect people. but we've got to protect people. but we've to protect people from being forced one way or the other. it's about their self—determination. do you think a lot of them conversion therapy will be on the books, if you like? by the time of the next election, i very much hope so. and just to refer to the trans debate and that this can sometimes get tied up in a toxic

debate just how do you detoxify that trans debate? should we be trying to detoxify the debates on trans people ? i think on trans people? i think twitter's a very unhelpful forum for having a very nuanced intellectual debate about things when i meet trans people and i hear their stories. i have nothing but sympathy and empathy for the immense challenges that they're face in life. far greater, i believe, than the challenges that i faced as a as a gay man. and when i talk to women who , have challenges about women who, have challenges about this discussion , they come this discussion, they come across to me as being genuine , across to me as being genuine, sympathetic and understanding . sympathetic and understanding. but it's how we square those two circle calls and how we deal with those issues about what age it's right for people to undergo the transition . do you have a

the transition. do you have a view on that ? i'm open to view on that? i'm open to discussion in respect of it. i think we have you know, the press and the media. i think, inflame the discussion about issues inside our prisons and women's refuges and changing rooms, all of which i think can be adequately dealt with and resolved. although we've just had a very bad case in a prison. we have. we have. but it's highlighted the debate. i think , and certainly the british government's been been clear that they will deal with that based on birth, gender and risk based on birth, gender and risk based assessment, which i think is the appropriate thing to do. covered a lot ground and i've really enjoyed meeting you. i've enjoyed meeting. yeah thank you. peter gibson . thanks for peter gibson. thanks for watching . join me again next watching. join me again next sunday . at six. hello there. i'm

sunday. at six. hello there. i'm greg. you host and welcome to your latest broadcast from the met office. we will see rain or showers over the next few days. increasing winds, particularly in the west. temperatures around average of year. average for the time of year. looking the bigger picture. looking at the bigger picture. sunday's high pressure system moves out way , only to be moves out of the way, only to be replaced pressure , replaced by a low pressure, which means outbreaks of rain and stronger winds. the winds really up by the middle really picking up by the middle of the week. large waves around western coast and rainfall totals building to this evening. western coast and rainfall totals already| to this evening. western coast and rainfall totals already| to outbreaks1g. western coast and rainfall totals already| to outbreaks of we've already got outbreaks of rain eastwards across rain moving eastwards across northern parts northern ireland, parts of scotland northern england, scotland, northern england, which times , which could be heavy at times, taking over the higher ground, some flooding some localised flooding is possible. increasing possible. cloud increasing across rest of england and across the rest of england and wales some weather too wales. some damp weather too here under any clear skies cos the foreign office, scotland perhaps touch of frost for one perhaps a touch of frost for one or to begin monday morning, or two to begin monday morning, but for most a cloudy, damp start to the day again this band of some heavier of rain giving some heavier spells as spells over the higher ground as it pushes north and it slowly pushes north and eastwards rain also eastwards further rain also pushing in across southern of

england and wales through the day, which could be heavy at times in between these weather systems. get few systems. we could get few glimmers of sunshine, particularly central particularly across central areas. temperatures areas. and here temperatures reaching 14 or 15 degrees, just a little bit cooler across the far north of scotland. but some sunny spells here into the evening time on monday. further bands rain pushing off and eastwards, which could be heavy at winds start to at times. the winds start to pick across southwestern pick up across southwestern areas. rain could areas. the coast, the rain could be at times as move be heavy at times as we move into the hours, too. again into the early hours, too. again over high ground of northern over the high ground of northern england lead to some england could lead to some localised , perhaps localised flooding, perhaps southern of scotland to southern parts of scotland to perhaps towards the end of perhaps drier towards the end of monday into tuesday monday night into tuesday morning but very mild morning. but very mild temperatures nine or ten celsius to start . but a temperatures nine or ten celsius to start. but a cloudy temperatures nine or ten celsius to start . but a cloudy stuff for to start. but a cloudy stuff for many . however, we will start to many. however, we will start to see some bright spells pushing into of northern ireland, into parts of northern ireland, south western parts of england and we go through the and wales as we go through the day, rain slowly day, as this showery rain slowly pushes north eastwards, the rain holding on across northeast scotland temperatures scotland and temperatures generally again average generally again around average for the time of year. but further and windy weather

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