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good morning and welcome to the point on gb news with me andrew pierce and bev turner. so today the rwanda plan is set for lift off or is it speaking exclusive off or is it speaking exclusive of it, to gb news home secretary.7 well a brave woman suggests that she's close . a suggests that she's close. a breakthrough the european breakthrough with the european court of human rights. if so, deportee flights could be taking off for rwanda by the summer. that exclusive interview in just a moment. i'm looking forward to it because we haven't seen it ourselves. now uk, that's the party replaced. the brexit party is holding a press this morning. we're expecting huge and then we're expecting a huge and then we'll it you as and we'll bring it to you as and when it happens and it might involve somebody called yeah involve somebody called oh yeah i'm going to be a big

i'm the rest going to be a big one. that's now donald trump has urged his reporters to launch mass as he reveals that mass protests as he reveals that he expects to be arrested tomorrow . we'll find out why. tomorrow. we'll find out why. and the claims that the potential arrest is particular politically motivated. i'm boris johnson. he's going to dominate news again all week. this week, he's admitting that dossier today, 50 or 60 pages on whether he knowingly wilfully misled parliament over parties that took place in number 10. yeah, that's right. he submitted this evidence ahead of this grilling that he's going to get on wednesday. all you bothered by partygate any email . partygate any email. not bothered by party but we know what you think. let us know your thoughts on all of these issues. of course you can. email us at gb views at gbnews.uk. but it's going to be the big story of the week really. so first of all, before that and also we've got a

twist running this morning on gb news about rwanda plan and news about the rwanda plan and whether you think it will actually deliver results. finally so please let us know what think on that. but what you think on that. but first of all, here's your news headunes first of all, here's your news headlines with . tamsin bev, headlines with. tamsin bev, thank you. good morning from the gb newsroom it's 932 i'm secretary has told gb news exclusively the government's migration policy is the right way to solve the small boats crisis. it comes after suella braverman said migrants be sent to rwanda by the. the agreement between the two countries has been expanded to include all illegal migrant not just asylum seekers. ms. brother then yesterday said that she'd held constructive talks with the european court of human rights over possible reforms to the injunction that halted flights to the country . boris injunction that halted flights to the country. boris johnson's defence against claims he lied to parliament over the partygate scandal could be published

today. the former prime minister will give evidence to the privileges committee on wednesday. the committee will pubush wednesday. the committee will publish its findings on whether mr. johnson committed a contempt of parliament and make recommendation on any punishment . the house of commons will make the final decision . china's the final decision. china's president xi jinping will arrive in moscow for talks with vladimir putin. the trip comes just days after the international criminal issued an arrest warrant for the russian president on charges war crimes. president xi has called for pragmatism on ukraine. president putin welcomed china's willingness to play a constructive role in resolving the crisis. but he will reject any . london stocks in wider any. london stocks in wider european markets fell at the open this morning and shares in credit suisse dived by more than 60. that's despite ubs agreeing to buy the troubled bank in deal worth more than two and a half billion pounds. the bank of

england remains confident that uk banks are safe and sound . tv uk banks are safe and sound. tv online and dab+ radio and on tuned in. this is gb news is back to andrew and beth . back to andrew and beth. the home secretary is . yes. good the home secretary is. yes. good morning. secretary's challenge lineker, another critic with gary lineker taking another critics of rwanda policy to visit the country and see the opportunities for asylum seekers themselves . what she says is themselves. what she says is gross prejudice and snobbery. so in an exclusive sit down interview with gb news, suella braverman has said that rwanda , braverman has said that rwanda, a dynamic and welcoming country which would offer asylum seekers a good life. she also says she's encouraged by talks with the european court of human rights, which could pave the way for those flights to rwanda to take by the summer. but she has told

our home security editor white that doesn't rule out that she doesn't rule out leaving the eco echr if they continue to interfere with the policy . home secretary, where at policy. home secretary, where at this cricket ground participating in the programme to promote community integrity shown through sport . one of the shown through sport. one of the many programmes that you've seen here in rwanda is the gear up to take asylum seekers from the uk. eventually are you convinced that they can have a good life here in rwanda .7 yes. what we've here in rwanda? yes. what we've seen this weekend in rwanda is that our partners here are ready to they're ready to support the uk in our work , to stop the uk in our work, to stop the boats to and fix our challenge of illegal migration. we've seen accommodation and construction projects which are well advanced and which will be completed very soon. so that accommodation will

in part b be there to accommodate in the long term people who will be resettled to rwanda from the uk, people who come to the uk illegally will not have the right to settle in the uk and that's what our legislation proposes and working with our friends in rwanda, the people who come here will be resettled to live a safe and secure life. that's the human, humane approach and that's the compassionate approach. the policy , of course, has its policy, of course, has its critics. gary lineker for one, opposition politicians . would opposition politicians. would you encourage them actually to come here and see for themselves what rwanda has to offer those who would come here and settle ? who would come here and settle? absolutely. i think there has been for too much prejudice , been for too much prejudice, frankly, snobbery amongst the critics who most of most of whom haven't even visited rwanda. this is my third visit to rwanda. this is a welcoming

country. it's a dynamic economy there. are they have a proud track record in supporting and resettling refugees in the region. i've just met several refugees from eritrea, from burundi, from the democratic of congo, who found sanctuary here in rwanda. and they have nothing but gratitude for rwanda . so to but gratitude for rwanda. so to all of those critics who display all of those critics who display a gross prejudice against rwanda, i tell them to visit first and then judge, is it time ? imagine racism. i there has been a there's been knee jerk and from the usual suspects let's let's honest the reality is very different to how the critics would portray rwanda . critics would portray rwanda. rwanda is dynamic rwanda is welcoming. rwanda has a tradition of providing humanitarian support of a high

quality and the housing project we visited is one such example of where people who are resettled refugees will be able to be accommodated a sustainable and good quality accommodation . and good quality accommodation. but how do you answer that central charge that the uk is abrogating its central responsibility here to offer refuge to safe haven to those asylum seekers who end in the united kingdom ? well coming to united kingdom? well coming to rwanda or being resettled to rwanda or being resettled to rwanda via the uk, if you've come to the uk illegally will be a blessing . you will be provided a blessing. you will be provided humanitarian support. it will be a humane provision for you. but i also say that ultimately we need to stop the people's gangs. and that's why rwanda is important . the people and that's why rwanda is important. the people smuggling gangs are exploiting thousands

of they are receiving people are paying of they are receiving people are paying thousands of pounds to an illegal journey to take. sometimes a tragically fatal journey , break our laws and to journey, break our laws and to undermine our rules in. the vain hope that they might have a life in the united kingdom . by in the united kingdom. by working with our friends here in rwanda . we break the business rwanda. we break the business model upon which these are operating . isn't there a operating. isn't there a fundamental contradiction here in the sense that you see this policy will a deterrent to crossing the channel. yet you're also and you're showing what's in many respects is incredible opportunities for those coming here. what i'm trying to show is that our our our approach in the united kingdom , stopping the united kingdom, stopping the boats is both firm and robust . boats is both firm and robust. our illegal migration bill will make clear that if you arrive the uk illegally, you will be detained , you'll be swiftly

detained, you'll be swiftly removed and at the same time it's humane and people who are relocated to rwanda will receive a safe and secure reception . and a safe and secure reception. and i think those two elements robustness with our legal processes in the uk combined with compassion , is the way to with compassion, is the way to solve this problem . i mean, solve this problem. i mean, given what your colleague oliver dowden has said in terms of being regretful that this policy is in place , how does that is in place, how does that square again with a partnership that you see is very important for , not just helping to solve for, not just helping to solve the asylum seeker issue in the uk but also to help support rwanda, to help ensure that countries like rwanda can take refugees from their own continent rather than them embarking on journey. how do you square that ? it is regretful. it square that? it is regretful. it is regretful that we had 45,000

people arrive illegally in uk last year. it's regretful that we're spending £6 million a day accommodating many of them in hotels throughout towns and cities in the united kingdom. it's regretful that we spent £3 billion last year to service our asylum needs. that is what is regretful. we have a enormous and very difficult problem that we need to fix. the prime minister has made it one of his core pledges to stop the boats. but you don't regret this policy . but the policy of a of our new bill, the illegal migration bill combined with our world leading partnership with rwanda, is the solution , is our approach that solution, is our approach that we are putting forward to fix this problem. and i do believe it will it will work. i have confidence in this partnership. ihave confidence in this partnership. i have huge confidence in in rwanda and believe that it will be modelled by other countries in due course . are you in talks

in due course. are you in talks , other countries to see whether there is a possibility of similar partnerships or do think that actually rwanda is the one partnership that will and the small boats crisis? well, actually on the back of our victory in the high court at the end of year, where our partnership was rigorously tested by senior judges in court tested by seniorjudges in court as to whether it was lawful in which the uk government was successful in proving that our partnership is lawful, that rwanda is safe country, that our partnership complies with all of our international and rights laws. on the of all of that we have been in discussions with other countries. but let me be clear our first and foremost priority is to operationalise the partnership that we have with rwanda . as you can see, we with rwanda. as you can see, we are making very good progress in rolling it out. i know you want this bill to work, you want this

policy to work. if you are still met with these legal challenges, it just doesn't progress anywhere you . still have anywhere you. still have thousands of people coming across the channel you commit to pulling out of the echr ? well, pulling out of the echr? well, i'm confident that our package of measures will work. i'm confident that our package of measures will work . that's of measures will work. that's why we're a prime minister and i are working very hard at passing out. we we're now introducing that. we've introduced the bill. we hope that parliament supports it so it can get through to royal assent quickly. but let me be clear, nothing is ever off the table and we have to always consider every option as the events pan out. okay. secretary thank you very much for to talking in gb news. i don't think there's been a six score today, but a good game by the looks of it. thank you . well, looks of it. thank you. well, they would go white joins us now from kigali . good morning, mark.

from kigali. good morning, mark. good lovely interview . the good lovely interview. the determination to make this work. she she very much is still displaying that, isn't she? she's saying that nothing is off the table . of course, we've the table. of course, we've heard this in terms of leave in echr from about the last full conservative leaders . do you conservative leaders. do you have any faith that is going to make this work, this time ? well, make this work, this time? well, i mean, she has to make the rwanda partnership work . if the rwanda partnership work. if the policy of trying to act as a deterrent and send people here to rwanda is actually to work properly a policy they . the deal properly a policy they. the deal with rwanda to succeed whether they will be allowed by the courts in the uk and of course the european court of human rights is another issue altogether . that rights is another issue altogether. that has been rights is another issue altogether . that has been the altogether. that has been the stumbling all the through this

process with european court intervening with it having to go back to the courts to get relitigate it. we had the high court in december of last year ruling that the rwanda policy was lawful . that's now gone to was lawful. that's now gone to the court of appeal . it will be the court of appeal. it will be heard in the coming month. we think . and again, if that rules think. and again, if that rules in favour of the government's policy , the government at that policy, the government at that stage is confident they see that they should be able to get those up and running to rwanda by summer. but it all depends on what the european court of human rights does as well , whether rights does as well, whether these talks that have been happening with uk and the court in strasbourg come to kind of agreement over this controversial rule 39. it's quite, quite complex, but it's just the ability for people who feel that the human rights are

going to be infringed to appeal to this court. and if the court is persuaded by those arguments , they then introduce or an , they can then introduce or an injunction really to get the british government to reconsider the proposals. it's there's a lot still to be considered here, but suella braverman absolutely determined that she wants to get those flights off the ground soon as possible and start sending asylum seekers here to rwanda . we've we've got love rwanda. we've we've got love money into the studio. but i want to ask you one quick question mark. what's it like? what's it like in rwanda? is it a nice country? if you had a lovely weekend , yeah , i mean, lovely weekend, yeah, i mean, it's an incredible country. i have say it is my first time here and i think, you know, it's a bit of a lazy stereotype just to look at rwanda and suggest that anyone coming here is going to have human rights infringed, that they're going to have a miserable existence. it's like that at all. certainly here in the capital city, we know rwanda

is one of africa's most dynamic economies . is one of africa's most dynamic economies. i'm here in the main convention centre, an international conference venue. they've just had the fifa conference here. they had, of course, just recently the chock them meeting those commonwealth heads of government meeting here. it a dynamic and burgeoning tech hub sector that's taking off here as well. so it's progressing in the right direction . the streets are direction. the streets are clean. it's a safe city to be in and they're determined to boost the economy one way they see of being able to do that is to welcome migrants to this country, to integrate them and to get them contributing to this growing economy . why are home growing economy. why are home security ? are we going to hear security? are we going to hear from you again in the next. thanks for joining from you again in the next. thanks forjoining us. lord moylan, a great friend of boris johnson, had a big adviser to bofis johnson, had a big adviser to boris johnson. he looks fabulous. and that was taking place as part of a cricket pitch

. look great. and the . it does look great. and the fact that i say as the fact that i just say as the cricket pitch and it was and it was , i think people in this was, i think people in this country have a terrible image of africa because all we ever see is david attenborough in the white savannah on the one hand, or people starving when there's a human, the task for fear, usually a manmade famine or whatever that's caused by war type of catastrophe and people's hearts go out to that and they don't get the sense of africa as this amazingly dynamic place which is leaping lots of different stages of development to get to catch up where we are and they don't know, as i do from my experience working not in politics, the incredible levels of education that , young levels of education that, young people, by which i mean people in their twenties and thirties. but when you them young people are showing, you know, qualifications, they've got in finance, accounting, things like that very well . people and in that very well. people and in countries , many of which have as

countries, many of which have as as a main language or very commonly accessed black language. so it's very easy for us to sort of relate to them and get on with them. and i think people should be looking at africa in a very positive light. the european court much is always that sticking point, isn't we it over isn't it? now we decide it over prisoners votes. yeah, 2018. they can decide it again. i don't think the home. home such you said nothing is off the table but we know rishi sunak he's not up for taking us out of the european court. if they insist again on trying to block through on the flights, should the go ahead and the government just go ahead and do the fact is, my do it? well, the fact is, my understanding is that when we joined back the joined this back after the second war, was under second world war, it was under the the understanding that the un on the understanding that parliamentary sovereignty. yes being infringed that, of being infringed and that, of course, you might want to take account what the european court says , a human rights matter and says, a human rights matter and amend law to suit it. but ultimately it's for parliament to decide . and i think that, you to decide. and i think that, you know, this is this is the chosen method of effectively breaking

the business model of a huge international crime organisation . and if you went round saying all the time you can't go ahead because of some of these human rights. i mean, brussels says that human rights aren't being upheld in poland. i mean , on upheld in poland. i mean, on that basis, you wouldn't be able to repatriate people to poland. there's there are great nations of things . i think we should go of things. i think we should go ahead because what we're seeing in this case is some genuine refugee is undoubtedly but an awful lot of people who are simply exploiting a business that has grown up an illegal business and has grown up trafficked people across europe in ways that contribute. don't you sense the countries clamouring for this to be fixed and i think we want everyone clamouring for it. country wants it fixed. the labor party are going to vote against it politically. are they mistake? yeah. party against yeah. labour party voted against it. got better it. well, they've got a better idea think what it is i think idea i think what it is i think come across a bit. yeah, i think

it's very difficult for keir starmer party to know starmer the labour party to know how handle this because if how to handle this because if they vote against it the public will not be behind them. the majority, want majority, the public do want this will want to this to work. they will want to know your solution and know what's your solution and all i ever heard them say is, well, we process the applications faster. well good. we should be processing the applications faster. and funnily , they're right about that. but isn't a solution to reducing the number of people coming here to make up has to face deterrent about something? there has to be about something? there has to be a and flight and a deterrent. and the flight and breaking business model a deterrent. and the flight and brethatg business model a deterrent. and the flight and brethat it business model a deterrent. and the flight and brethat it no business model a deterrent. and the flight and brethat it no longer;iness model a deterrent. and the flight and brethat it no longer makesnodel a deterrent. and the flight and brethat it no longer makes sense so that it no longer makes sense for those people run those illegal businesses , many of illegal businesses, many of which are linked to other illegal running and illegal like drugs running and large scale prostitution and things of that. so we're seeing in barbershops apparently a lot more than we're seeing . we're more than we're seeing. we're seeing labourjust just push seeing labour just just push ahead of the polls every day. it and yet in the next election, there is a sense that if the conservative can master this

particular failing, this particular failing, this particular this gives them the very best shot of winning the next election. is it as serious as that? well, i think this is this absolutely serious for whoever is in power as to have an answer to this problem . and an answer to this problem. and so , of course, that's going to so, of course, that's going to carry weight when the electors come to vote at the next election . i think somebody said election. i think somebody said one of the advisers to the conservative party said it's a very narrow path that would get the conservatives back into winning a position to win the next general election. but you neven next general election. but you never, ever rule it out . but the never, ever rule it out. but the point i want to make is simply this whatever question at the next general election , it is next general election, it is surely obvious now that sir keir starmer is not the answer to it . there's got to be better. yeah. and it might be that the people of britain turn around and say, well, it's actually better to state what you think you might have worked out what the definition woman is by the

next generation election when the leader that would the labour leader that would be nice making nice you know they're making reform conference reform party press conference that to be doing that they're going to be doing within morning within that this morning and they've some they've got some big announcements to make and whether a new can ever be a sufficiently they sufficiently disruptive as they would to be. time will would like to be. time will tell, but there are a lot of people who politically people who feel politically hopeless and hopeless at the moment, and i think think what's happened, think i think what's happened, it's both parties over it's affected both parties over the last years, 15 years. the last 20 years, 15 years. brexit was a sign of it is the concerns electorate have concerns the electorate have have from what what the have shifted from what what the politicians have been used to and the politicians have been slow catch up with the elections they elected politicians and i'm not just talking about people being worried about immigration, identity , eu bullying and so on, identity, eu bullying and so on, but also people are much worried about climate on the left . about climate on the left. they've spent there's a left wing to this. there's the climate change net zero people, people interested track who really are passionate about trans rights and so on and. that sort of defines a spectre dream of dialogue. yeah, that is where the traditional parties have

been and they just do not happy with it. just for you go you have known boris johnson for a very long time. you've worked very long time. you've worked very closely with him. he is going to be before that privileges committee for hours privileges committee for 4 hours on wednesday . everyone says on wednesday. everyone says bofis on wednesday. everyone says boris doesn't do detail. boris johnson doesn't do detail. how he going to is he how is he going to how is he going fair under the bright going to fair under the bright lights well, lights of that committee? well, he's he's capable of he's very he's capable of prepping and mastering prepping himself and mastering detail. and i'm he will have done but i think the thing is to let the mps go on because frankly all going to sound they love the sound of voices oh that and they'll go on and they'll sound a bit pompous and aggressive and so on. and poor bofis aggressive and so on. and poor boris who always comes across with an air of vulnerability, which is one of the reasons, i think, in my view, people like him in the public, like him as he always looks a little bit sort of like you want to give him a hand, you he sort him a hand, you know, he sort and that . you, you, you that and all that. you, you, you that i mean . yeah, no, he's made i mean. yeah, no, he's made a million. as neil puts speeches in the senate that you're not sorry for him. okay and so on.

and the more authentic he is, the more people will like him . the more people will like him. so shouldn't be too so he shouldn't be too artificial . so he shouldn't be too artificial. but he so he shouldn't be too artificial . but he do teach. artificial. but he can do teach. he to be a journalist like he used to be a journalist like you and he and you can make he makes notes. he masters stuff. he knows what to say. but i do think the mps would well blame up. we'll see at the end of it if it's a beauty contest i'd be very interested what the very interested know what the pubuc very interested know what the public think at the because public think at the end because the are under the spotlight the mps are under the spotlight still party i don't i think still that party i don't i think theyi still that party i don't i think they i think there are some people who are very sore about it and i sort of understand that. but i think the vast majority of people just want to move on from the whole thing. why are we still boris about this is what thinking? and then they say, are are it's because they say, are are it's because they want to drive him out of politics altogether. and a lot of people don't like that. they like to think that they can vote for who they want to vote for. not that it's all decided by a little clique, which certainly has trump has some with the trump situation and it's very interesting. same, interesting. trump same, same, same, . you know,

same, same technique. you know, it's a transatlantic technique . it's a transatlantic technique. yeah. of the left. yeah. all right. thank you sir animal in that right now still to come going get to get reaction to exclusive interview with sowell . brave men mourn that they just spent a year with

gb news very good morning. welcome to the point with me bev turner and andrew pierce . coming up, we're andrew pierce. coming up, we're speaking exclusively, of course, to the gb news gb news is being

exclusive to the home secretary suella braverman. she's out there and will wonder. she thinks there's a breakthrough now with the european court of human rights which could finally see flight off see those flight taking off for africa we're africa by the summer. we're going bring you more of that going to bring you more of that interview a more about interview and a bit more about rwanda just moment. also rwanda in just moment. also this morning reform uk with richard tice holding a press conference . we're expecting huge . we're expecting a huge announcement from them. i've had announcement from them. i've had a little bit of a whisper about it. you do not want to miss what they say. we're going to bring you that as and when it happens. and that donald he and that man, donald trump, he can't help himself kind of he's urged his supporters to protest, protest, protest reveals protest, protest as he reveals he's be addressed he's expected to be addressed it. find all it. tomorrow, we'll find out all about the program . and about that in the program. and bofis about that in the program. and boris johnson will argue today the inquiry into whether he misled parliament over lockdown parties is biased and unlawful unlawful . and nobody really unlawful. and nobody really cares about partisan anymore, do they? well, i don't think it's

they? well, i don't think it's the issue. it was. and but, of course, labour care about it because they want to keep talking about it. but also we've had like now we've had the hancock whatsapp, i think because what he did into some sort it. sort of shape doesn't it. we're going talking a bit more going to be talking a bit more as well about this rwanda situation. let us know situation. so please let us know on we tweets running on on twitter. we tweets running on at gb news morning. and when you get also, it's a very important anniversary. the 20th anniversary. it's the 20th anniversary. it's the 20th anniversary iraq in which anniversary of the iraq in which literally hundreds of thousands of have died. the of people have died. and the middle east, it's never been the same market. yeah, absolutely. so us know you think so let us know what you think about that. of about all of that. but first of all, let's bring you up to date with the latest news headlines with the latest news headlines with tamsin roberts . beth, with tamsin roberts. beth, thanks very much. good morning from the gb newsroom. it's 10:02. borisjohnson's from the gb newsroom. it's 10:02. boris johnson's defence against claims he lied to parliament over the partygate scandal could be published today . the former prime minister will give evidence to the privileges committee on wednesday. the committee on wednesday. the

committee will publish its findings on whether mr. johnson committed a contempt of parliament and make a recommendation on any punishment. the house of commons will make the final decision . a will make the final decision. a spokesperson says boris johnson's position will be vindicated . china's president xi vindicated. china's president xi jinping will arrive in moscow today for talks with vladimir putin. the trip comes just days . the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for the russian president on charges of war crimes. is president xi's first visit to russia since the start the invasion of ukraine? he's acknowledged that solutions are not easy but call for pragmatism . president putin has welcomed china's willingness to play a construct active role in resolving the crisis , but warned resolving the crisis, but warned he will reject ultimatums. us security expert andrea kendall taylor described this visit as a signal of solidarity between beijing and moscow. him going to

moscow at this time provides a really important signal of his continued support for putin. and of course that is designed to show the united states in particular that these two countries are aligned , that they countries are aligned, that they have this deep partnership and that they stand in opposition to the united states, that they are unhedin the united states, that they are united in pushing back against us and western influence , that us and western influence, that they see as limiting their power on the international stage . they on the international stage. they will justice ministers from around the world will meet in london today to discuss increasing for the international criminal court. the uk's deputy minister, dominic raab, says the 40 nations are united behind one cause to hold criminals to account for what described as the atrocities in ukraine. president vladimir putin is accused of being responsible for the kidnapping and deportation of thousands of ukrainian children . the kremlin called the children. the kremlin called the allegations outrageous and unacceptable . london stocks and

unacceptable. london stocks and wider european markets fell at the open this morning and shares in credit suisse dived by more than 60. that's despite ubs agreeing to buy the troubled bankin agreeing to buy the troubled bank in a deal worth more than two and a half billion pounds. the footsie 100 fell by 0.7% after already dropping 1% on friday. however the bank of england remains confident that uk banks are safe and sound . the uk banks are safe and sound. the average price of a home in the uk has jumped almost £3,000 in march. property rightmove says this was driven by an increase in asking prices , which have in asking prices, which have spiked by almost £8,000 on average. rightmove's chief executive described the current market as unsustainable . this is market as unsustainable. this is gb news. more from me shortly. now, though, is back to the phone. andrew .

phone. andrew. well, according to the home secretary, the european court judges are on the brink of backing down on the ruling late night by one anonymous judge. we never even told he or she never even told who he or she was that prevent those migrant planes sent to rwanda. planes being sent to rwanda. that's right. the secretary that's right. the home secretary said that with the echr said that talks with the echr have been constructive and suggested the first batch of flights could take off before the which point ? bev the summer. which point? bev turner i will chair. it follows suella braverman to suella braverman trip to rwanda's capital, which look very nice to us where she claimed the country was ready to take thousands of migrants. having the pictures , i'm having seen the pictures, i'm kind tempted. it looks kind of tempted. it looks lovely. so some of the pictures this morning an exclusive interview with news interview with gb news home secretary that rwanda secretary said that rwanda remains country remains a welcoming country which would offer asylum seekers a good life. and as our home security mark white reports , security mark white reports, here it is . critics have accused here it is. critics have accused the home secretary of indulging in nothing more than a glorified photo op . and, yes , course,

photo op. and, yes, course, these are powerful images . but these are powerful images. but suella braverman visit here is not just about the eye catching symbolism . the uk government symbolism. the uk government desperately needs the agreement with rwanda to succeed without a third country willing to take relook asylum seekers . the relook asylum seekers. the government's illegal migration bill is almost certain to stumble at the first hurdle. so a meeting with the rwandan president, paul kagame, was on the agenda . as the uk the agenda. as the uk strengthens its partnership agreement . the home secretary agreement. the home secretary certainly packed a lot into two day schedule , visiting new day schedule, visiting new housing, developing tents and other support , being geared up, other support, being geared up, accommodate thousands of asylum seekers who may end up here in

the months ahead . the plan still the months ahead. the plan still have their critics, of course . have their critics, of course. tv presenter gary lineker. opposition politician and others. suella braverman told me no one should judge unless they've been here. would you encourage them? actually to come here and see for themselves what rwanda has to offer those who would come here and settle? absolutely. i think there has been far too much prejudice , been far too much prejudice, snobbery amongst the critics who. most of most of whom haven't even visited rwanda. this is my third visit to. this is a welcoming country. it's a dynamic economy . so to all of dynamic economy. so to all of those critics who display a gross prejudice against rwanda, i tell them , visit first and i tell them, visit first and then judge . an important stop then judge. an important stop off for suella braverman was this huge tech hub in the

caphal this huge tech hub in the capital, kigali, home to one hundreds of start—ups and companies from around the world. rwanda is home to a burgeoning tech sector . and also rwanda is home to a burgeoning tech sector. and also in kigali house in particular has , over house in particular has, over 200 companies. start—ups that are stationed out of here are also organisations that support start—ups . and we have more than start—ups. and we have more than a thousand members now , 55% of a thousand members now, 55% of these are from other african countries. the keppler academy high in the hills over kigali . high in the hills over kigali. another example says the home secretary. of the many education services rwanda can provide is silence seekers. this will establish a well—respected local university . he has already university. he has already committed to ensure up to 25% of the students enrolled here will be refugees . but like the many be refugees. but like the many housing complex cases around this capital city, they have absolutely no idea just how many

people will eventually be asked to accommodate for. in truth the home secretary doesn't know how many asylum seekers may eventually have to be sent here. it could be many. but home office officials are quietly hoping that just like the australian initiative against the small boats , once they the small boats, once they finally start relocating asylum seekers , the people smugglers, seekers, the people smugglers, business model will be broken . business model will be broken. yes it's big gamble. and this country is a vital component component . mark white gb news country is a vital component component. mark white gb news in the rwandan capital, kigali . the rwandan capital, kigali. thank you, mark. if you're there now, we i want to talk to you. we've been we've been discussing, mark, this morning, some of press are criticising this trip and particularly the government for inviting government for not inviting other aspects of the media that

may not be as sympathetic to this policy to be out there to interview her. do you think that was a mistake ? well i mean, you was a mistake? well i mean, you could certainly argue it was problematic . the home office and problematic. the home office and they had other members of the media who were quite disgruntled . but listen, i'm long enough in the tooth and have done, you know, many trips abroad and the u.k. and got lots exclusives on, been excluded from many exclusives because that's the way this industry works . those way this industry works. those broadcasters that have been rather upset about the fact that they weren't invited , the trip they weren't invited, the trip will often given exclusives themselves that we and other broadcasters might be less than happy that they got access to. you know, it's the way that it works. what the government motives for getting us out is well, did they want a positive message ? well, they told me they message? well, they told me they

wanted certainly a constructive message to be put across . and message to be put across. and they've trusted us to do that. i have come here and, you know, if i'd phoned a terrible capital city with very little in the way of opportunities , i would of opportunities, i would absolutely be telling the public that that is the case. but i have been very pleasant, surprised by the progress that this country has made. remember, this country has made. remember, this is a country that has had to rapidly rebuild old after that genocide ripped the nation apart less than 30 years ago. and quite honestly , what they and quite honestly, what they have achieved in that time is nothing short of a miraculous. but in that, there's also now, of course, the burgeoning economy that's there. it's one of africa's most dynamic economies , huge and growing tech economies, huge and growing tech sector . there's opportunities sector. there's opportunities for asylum seekers, a that i'll be putting out tomorrow speaks

to a number of those asylum seekers who have come here not via the uk . seekers who have come here not via the uk. but seekers who have come here not via the uk . but they've come via the uk. but they've come from the continent of africa, they come from the middle and elsewhere , welcomed in by the elsewhere, welcomed in by the rwandan government and are making lives for themselves. it's not to say there aren't difficulties in this country . difficulties in this country. there are. they have issues with the drc and border areas , unrest the drc and border areas, unrest there. and the hope, of course, always is that that doesn't get any worse . those issues about any worse. those issues about whether people's personal freedoms are fully realised , ups freedoms are fully realised, ups in the room are not seeing that rwanda is the uk. of course it's not the. uk is a fully developed economy and legal and justice system rule is building. it's developing, but it, in my view anyway, is not anywhere near as bad as what the critics are making out there to personal

freedoms. i wonder if you're thinking about if you're gay . lg thinking about if you're gay. lg and part of the lgbt community. it's difficult. in rwanda , it's it's difficult. in rwanda, it's a taboo subject. homosexuality while it's not illegal, a lot of gay people have complained about being harassed and being subjected to a lot of abuse . subjected to a lot of abuse. yes. and you know, it's not just rwanda . many countries around rwanda. many countries around the world have similar issues as they progress in their own way to, be fully developed economies . some are moving faster or slower than others , and some slower than others, and some freedoms that of course, in the west we would like to see extended to countries right across . the world aren't quite across. the world aren't quite there yet . will they get there? there yet. will they get there? we would hope so. at some point in future. i can't speak for the rwandan population or the government and the trajectory that they will eventually grow a goal to. but certainly those people that i spoke to that are

making here see that the freedoms are day to day freedom , arms are unlimited in that sense , i didn't speak to sense, i didn't speak to political activists . be honest, political activists. be honest, there was no political activists here that i could speak to. they would have, i'm sure are , would have, i'm sure are, different sort of viewpoint of what life under the government of paul kagame is. but for most people sent living a life . they people sent living a life. they do enjoy freedoms on a daily bafis. do enjoy freedoms on a daily basis . why are having more basis. why are having more security? and we're going to be heanng security? and we're going to be hearing more from him in the program. thanks for joining hearing more from him in the program. thanks forjoining us. let's get more reaction this morning. harwood joining morning. tom harwood is joining us the studio. morning, tom. us in the studio. morning, tom. what do you make of somalia's interview obviously interview there? she obviously is they win. they've is saying that they win. they've won some sort of concession from the echr. but she is isn't prepared to say that they will definitely we will withdraw this moment. so what happens next? well, it reveals something of a

tension around the cabinet table. clearly there are those who are in the suella braverman camp who really rather the united kingdom, not be a member of the echr . and then there are of the echr. and then there are those who are perhaps more around the rishi sunak camp who really would rather not upset the apple cart and remain within this institution and think that there's a way to do it whilst keeping that status quo, if you will. and clearly, that view has won out. but when we get further down this road , when the next down this road, when the next road bump comes along, these fissures will again present themselves . it's an uneasy sort themselves. it's an uneasy sort of sticking plaster over these two different factions within cabinet right now. and i think we saw a little bit of that in the interview. hmm. lawyers of course, in the tory benches would be appalled by the of coming echr. we've heard coming out of echr. we've heard the justice secretary the former justice secretary robert like robert buckland people like david good friend to david davis, his good friend to this be this program would also be opposed. yes. and there are clearly the signal

clearly difficulties. the signal that , all this that it would, after all this trial was set up by the united and meant to sort of expand the united kingdom's way of doing things across many other countries that, of course, have had a far blemished record than ours in terms of human rights. however course, the argument of people who are critical of the echr is how far this organisation has moved from the original . rights as they were original. rights as they were envisioned by winston churchill. i'm not sure winston would sort of look at some the cases and some of the judgements that are made by the echr and think this is exactly what i had in mind when i wrote that until now. it's outrageous. an anonymous judge at night, it's outrageous. an anonymous judgflight at night, it's outrageous. an anonymous judgflight going at night, it's outrageous. an anonymous judgflight going tot night, it's outrageous. an anonymous judgflight going to rwanda. we this flight going to rwanda. we don't what nationality don't even know what nationality the was , who they are. the judge was, who they are. it's appalling how is that transparent and it's not transparent and open? it's not transparent and open? it's not transparent open transparent and it's not open and uncomfortable for and i think uncomfortable for people in this country. of course, the united states of doesn't sit beneath a foreign court that determines who it can

let in and let of the country. and it speaks a difficult position that we have as the kingdom. frankly lot of the issues here result are changed position in world. we no longer rule the waves. we can no longer sort of have gunboat diplomacy and say, no, you will take these people back. we have to now work with other countries and, reach agreements and it's very difficult because france doesn't want to take back people that have left calais and come to the united kingdom . so you get these united kingdom. so you get these very difficult situations whereby you have to work within these structures have grown up post war and it's a difficult world for britain live in because it was not long ago when we could call all of these shots unilaterally and now we have to work within these structures that very often find against us and. and i can very see the frustration of politicians . were frustration of politicians. were they making these decisions 70 years ago? it would be a very

different field. tom we were talking a little bit earlier with a lot more than about the fact that this is a really difficult one for labour to know where to stand because a lot of the press are oddly not. well, the guardian particularly is not sympathetic to this particular bill completely opposed to the majority of the public who do want the problem of illegal immigration solved . they're immigration solved. they're talking about the £6 million a day being spent taxpayers money on hotels station. people are rightly about that and the conservatives have got get this rise haven't they but what would labour how could they handle this in a way that is satisfactory for them. it's a really interesting point and sometimes it's funny to listen to the language that rishi sunak sort of saying we spending five and a half million pounds a day on hotels the number of people coming illegally has risen fourfold in recent years. and it's like and we know it's it's like and yet we know it's you you're talking as if you're the leader of the opposition or

the leader of the opposition or the prime minister. i'm at. and similarly you've got a difficult position because sir keir starmer , the kind of seats that starmer, the kind of seats that he needs to win next election. he knows the path to victory goes right the red wall and these are parts the country that are really genuinely about the fan of this issue about people perceived to be jumping the queue coming across not going way and actually a lot of the time it's second generation migrant who are the most hostile those coming illegally because their did it legally and properly. and so the labour party has a difficult position here, but it's interesting listening to sir keir starmer. he won't oppose outright . it's he won't oppose outright. it's the principle behind the policy. what he will do is say the practical , see if the policy is practical, see if the policy is wrong that's him walking this tightrope because he doesn't want to upset his backbenchers . want to upset his backbenchers. he wants to be seen to oppose it , but also he can't be seen to oppose principle of is there any fence? sit on? it's fence? he won't sit on? it's hopeless on such and it's easy

being in opposition . easy. you being in opposition. easy. you just got to sit that fence and let the clock sit down. thank you, been getting in you, tom. you've been getting in touch morning with your touch this morning with your views this. phil said, what views on this. phil said, what happens the try to resist happens if the try to resist getting on a plane. happens getting on a plane. what happens if cause trouble on if they cause trouble on a plane? it still take off plane? well it still take off from so i'm phil says from the city. so i'm phil says i hope happens all illegal i do hope it happens all illegal migrants be to as migrants should be moved to as a taxpayer. should be doing taxpayer. we should be doing this. to back and this. we need to get back and lives back to normal and. actually, some people thinking i afford be that hotel. afford to be in that hotel. these migrants, absolutely. my family that, said, family and that, debbie said, will to hear from will be interesting to hear from the held here, the illegal migrants held here, what their objections as what their objections are to as a place of safety. it was badly from the start. this wasn't when priti patel was. it kind of came out of nowhere. there was no woman . suddenly it became woman. suddenly it became a commons disaster and it like they're sort of they're getting it better though it is getting a bit better. so let us what bit better. so let us know what you gbviews@gbnews.uk you think. gbviews@gbnews.uk still to come, donald trump is and is going to be arrested probably tomorrow. this story's absolutely fascinating. this is to the points

gb news. very good morning. welcome back to the point with me bev turner and andrew pierce. we've been asking you now that you've seen home to rwanda , our gb news home trip to rwanda, our gb news exclusive interview all, you more confident that her plans to fix illegal migration will be? well, interestingly 53% of you have voted no . you're not have voted no. you're not confident her plans will be successful, i suppose. i think it's those wretched judges. well, you know what? yeah, but i was just. we just been ground down by the lack of faith now. but actually, if we asked this question six months ago, many more of you would have said you have no in 73. so this is it was pretty much 73% every day of this time since . but also this this time since. but also this morning, donald, what's he up to? and he says he's to expect to? and he says he's to expect to be arrested tomorrow over criminal charges against him over his role in paying hush to . money the adult film star stormy daniels before the stormy daniels just before the 2016 election, big story. the

former president has called for his supporters engage his supporters to engage in protests grand jury in protests as the grand jury in new are listening to more new york are listening to more evidence. resurrected evidence. and the resurrected 2016 haven't you heard 2016 case. haven't you heard that ? more protest. that before? more protest. joining now is spokesman for joining us now is spokesman for republican services, uk elliott. sarah, how are you ? great. how sarah, how are you? great. how are you? very well. good. he's saying protest, protest, protest does this not have an uncanny echo of what happened at capitol hill just after he lost the election . and we saw what damage election. and we saw what damage that did to democracy place . that did to democracy place. officers killed sarah and think trump's reputation badly damaged . well yes but it also rings true of what the has been trying to do for him time and time again which to indict and convict this they are try trying to hang anything they can around his neck and bring down and. it's just i it's a quite flimsy case even in democrats and those

the media who would like to see donald trump behind bars. they do not see a strong case in this andifs do not see a strong case in this and it's more likely a district attorney of manhattan trying to make a name for himself. attorney of manhattan trying to make a name for himself . so in make a name for himself. so in opinion sarah it's obscene . opinion sarah it's obscene. lutely ridiculous. i wasn't the biggest trump fan i will admit that on a personal level at times i found him utterly repulsive. however, a lot has changed the last three or four years and i. i genuinely think that if he gets found guilty or goes to prison for this, it will be an absolute abomination. given what some politicians have doing around the world. just explain to our viewers, what he's actually in trouble for on this occasion . so he is this occasion. so he is supposedly being indicted for using campaign to pay a an adult film star who he had in a relationship . hush money. okay. relationship. hush money. okay. so it is the misuse of campaign

money. but this is more of a federal issue rather than where d.a. is from. new york, manhattan so there there lies some questions whether. even the manhattan district attorney even bnng manhattan district attorney even bring charges against trump over this use of campaign finance. his former lawyer and fixer cohenis his former lawyer and fixer cohen is the one who's trying to bnng cohen is the one who's trying to bring him down and who is serving time in prison for paying serving time in prison for paying money to another woman. another glamour girl, so to speak. who he had a relationship with. so he is trying to bring down his former boss. this is lawyer michael cohen and you know, if trump had only pardoned michael cohen , we probably michael cohen, we probably wouldn't be in this situation today. but he didn't. wouldn't be in this situation today. but he didn't . and so now today. but he didn't. and so now he's seeking against donald trump . but again, he have they

trump. but again, he have they have to prove that this was to help him in the 2016 presidential election to not protect his marriage, not to protect his marriage, not to protect his marriage, not to protect his family, but that paying protect his family, but that paying this hush money would helped him win the presidency in 2016. and that is a difficult case to make in the unlikely event. so they were able to prove that. what is the potential criminal penalty for donald trump ? he go to prison . donald trump? he go to prison. oh, i think we've lost . donald trump? he go to prison. oh, i think we've lost. i think we've lost. so i couldn't do that. so this is. but this is what i find interesting. so but effectively, donald trump wanted stormy daniels receive this 30,000 this so obviously he couldn't just pay that directly because that would look bad. so he got cohen to pay her and then donald trump paid cohen back again. it's not clever . it's not again. it's not clever. it's not the most sophisticated swindle . the most sophisticated swindle. it's. well, it's come to i think it's. well, it's come to i think i think sarah is back with us now. but then it, therefore, he

would be in trouble either on a business misdemeanour new york city. so he's effectively the books and being entirely books and not being entirely transparent is what would transparent so is what would happen to him in your view if he's found guilty ? yeah, he he's found guilty? yeah, he could go jail. he could go to federal prison. i you know, it's up to the judge how time he would serve, but he has promised to still run for president, even if he's indicted. but this is not the only case that donald trump will face this year. his company, trump organisation is going to go to trial in october for that, you know, in plating assets for different loans from banks. he's also in trouble in georgia for messing and interfering . the elections in interfering. the elections in 2020 by telling not to go to the polls and also asking the secretary of state to recount the votes or throw votes out. so he is he this is not the only

case he could get indicted on. and, in fact i think it's the flimsiest case he could get indicted on is more likely the georgia case might hold the biggest penalty for and he's also in trouble , of course, with also in trouble, of course, with this document handling about the mar a lago document, with the swiss swooping upon his property in the middle of the night with the lights flashing with the fbi to take these boxes of documents. he's still not off the hook with, that it's literally like they're trying to stop him being capable of running next election . running in the next election. yes. and all this does is help him do all this does is make him a much more sympathetic figure and he makes them the underdog . and he makes them the underdog. again, it me it proves his point that the deep state is after him and you know what his supporters go if him they'll come after too. so we need him back in the ring to fight for and defend us against deep state that it's not equal playing field. look at how

they treated joe biden and president biden and his documents classified documents he is kept home versus how they treated donald trump's classic documents at mar a lago. one had a raid, one didn't. this doesn't look like a fair and balanced democracy . no, it does not. sara democracy. no, it does not. sara elliott, thank . that's before we elliott, thank. that's before we even got into the whole biden family. and biden and the money, the story that we just keep giving donald trump. we'll be covering that, of course, tomorrow here tv and it's now still to come. phone alert. we're speaking to a man who's in support them. that's after, support of them. that's after, of your morning news. of course, your morning news. i'm . not andrew. thank you. it's i'm. not andrew. thank you. it's 1032 here, the headlines from the. china's president xi jinping has arrived in moscow for talks with vladimir putin. the trip comes just days after. the trip comes just days after. the international criminal court issued , an arrest warrant for issued, an arrest warrant for the russian on charges of war crimes. president xi has called

for pragmatism on ukraine. president putin has welcomed willingness to play a constructive role in resolving the crisis but warned he will reject any ultimatums . the home reject any ultimatums. the home secretary has spoken to gb news about government's migration policy , insisting it's the right policy, insisting it's the right way to the small boats crisis . way to the small boats crisis. it comes after suella braverman said migrants could be sent to rwanda by the summer. the agreement between the two countries has been expand to include all illegal, not just asylum seekers. this problem in yesterday said she told constructive talks with the european court of human rights over possible reforms to the injunction that halted flights to the country . our approach in to the country. our approach in the united kingdom to stopping the united kingdom to stopping the boats is sad and robust. our illegal migration bill will make clear that if you arrive in the uk illegally, you will be and you'll be swiftly removed . and you'll be swiftly removed. and at the same time, it's . and

at the same time, it's. and compassionate and people who are. relocated to rwanda will receive a safe and secure reception . and i think those two reception. and i think those two elements robustness with our legal processes in the uk combined with compassion, is the way solve this problem . london way solve this problem. london stocks and wider european markets fell at the open this morning and shares in credit suisse dived by more than 60. that's despite ubs agree ing to buy the troubled bank in a deal worth more than two and a half billion pounds. the bank of england remains confident uk banks are safe , sound . boris banks are safe, sound. boris johnson's against claims he lied to parliament over the partygate scandal could be published today . the former prime minister will give evidence to the privileges committee on wednesday. the committee on wednesday. the committee publish its findings on whether mr. johnson committed a contempt of parliament and make a recommendation on any

punishment. the house of commons will make the final decision . tv will make the final decision. tv online debate plus radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now back to andrew and beth . in just back to andrew and beth. in just a moment . back to andrew and beth. in just a moment. something i am extremely angry . emergency phone extremely angry. emergency phone alerts are there potentially going to save your life or is it just the government taking control of your tech? this is to the point

gb news. very good morning. thank you for joining us. it's 1038. very good morning. thank you for joining us. it's1038. this is the point on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. so public emergency alerts get this, they're going to be sent to all uk phones and a new uk mobile phones and a new government warning system. i hate this story. the aim is for emergency services to urgent messages warning the public life threatening like a threatening situations like a flooding , wildfires and, terror flooding, wildfires and, terror alert. shaking your head in

disbelief . test alert. shaking your head in disbelief. test is alert. shaking your head in disbelief . test is expected to disbelief. test is expected to take place in early evening, april 23rd. so joining us now is meteorologist jim dale to tell us more . jim, good morning. when us more. jim, good morning. when they said we're talking to friend of the show, jim dale , friend of the show, jim dale, about this, i said why? so why are we talking to you about it ? are we talking to you about it? good morning, bev first of all, the pair of you welcome spring. we're an hour and a into official spring. the sun is as moved across the so welcome that one first of all a little bit of good news and secondly , why are good news and secondly, why are we talking about this? well, obviously the government put the message out that this is going to a test up. it's to be a test coming up. it's a metrological event for the most. you mentioned the terrorist threat. i think doesn't threat. i think that doesn't fall into my territory. but certainly the meteorological side does. now weather service and we've been putting out alerts weather warnings alerts and weather warnings since 1987, since we were first formed. and i've we find that those that we see these things not by phone but by all the

methods and them they prepare . methods and them they prepare. we have a little war, a little saying to be to be forewarned is to be. and to be prepared. in other words. in other words, you get yourself in a position. you can actually do something about it and i don't agree it. and i think i don't agree with the government on 99% of things, on this one, i do . things, but on this one, i do. but but but we've got a weather forecast for that, jim. isn't that the weather forecast that what the weather forecast tells? storms, clouds coming , tells? storms, clouds coming, hurricane, a bit more hurricane, what is a bit more than that? okay, take this , than that? okay, take this, andrew. if you're asleep in in in europe, in the 40 degree that we might see this summer, as we did last summer, we climate change going on and all the rest of it. and there happens to be say wild that sets itself off say a wild that sets itself off down the road from you it starts blazing the houses you're in your nice and comfy waiting your bed. nice and comfy waiting to but you don't sleep to get up. but you don't sleep and phone doesn't in. and your phone doesn't go in. the thing house is the next thing your house is ablaze didn't get ablaze because you didn't get any what the problem any warning. what the problem with your going off in an emergency situation and to say to you you know andrew your your

that your your phone you have got a wildfire that's just down the road from you might be you might actually to look absolutely we lived in absolutely if we lived in california might be a california that might be a consider asian. i can honestly tell that london hasn't seen tell you that london hasn't seen a for quite quite a wildfire for quite quite a long time. i would say possibly even long time. i would say possibly ever. and all this does this particular app is it metastasises the fear in our brains this is the government saying be frightened. be frightened. we're not to tell you what to be frightened of, but any now your phone is going to off with alarm and you to go off with alarm and you need to scared and that need to be scared and that point, you don't recognise point, if you don't recognise the on phone, which the alert on your phone, which we haven't uploaded, you can't your don't know with your phone, i don't know with the realise this, but the the people realise this, but the government effectively your government have effectively your tech you respond to it. tech until you respond to it. that sets a hideous precedent . that sets a hideous precedent. well i think you're i think your iphone have been by many a people. i get a text from , you people. i get a text from, you know, all over the place to be frank with you and that yes. are

yeah but i think this is if you want to use that analogy as for a reason not a bad reason a good reason not a bad reason the way but the wildfire of last summer occurred not far away from london in in kent in surrey, i believe and they were devastating for those that were involved with them. now it may well be with climate change ramping up that we get into situations more of wildfires and floods and sudden storms . situations more of wildfires and floods and sudden storms. think back to 1987. if you . october back to 1987. if you. october 1987, when we had the great storm the situation . yeah now it storm the situation. yeah now it must be when you get if you've got an emergency call at that time to say you know this big witness what whatever you might have taken down from the bedroom into the lower room for example you not set off on the you might not set off on the road to travel where people got caught there is an caught out. so there there is an obvious these can obvious use for these can i actually countries do this jim ? actually countries do this jim? well, the united states . you've well, the united states. you've already mentioned that. yeah and mainly because they do get weather that's become law

ferocious in the last few years . but i've never heard of this happening in i, i don't know, to be honest with you. certainly warnings go out, but they go out probably in an old fashioned way. in other words, on television, radio i'm saying television, on radio i'm saying old fashioned, fair way. i'm not saying that these they met this straight, those emergency warnings will also be flashed on to radio tv and everywhere else. so you'll be able to carry them much as you do when show the much as you do when you show the amber warnings, the red warnings and all the rest of it. it and all the rest of it. but it really is a case of stepping up and saying, let's get a bit more personal about it. people are asleep maybe can use it asleep maybe they can use it while asleep they hate while they're asleep they hate it anyway. yeah it when you say anyway. yeah i mean is my mind's on i turn mean this is my mind's on i turn it absolutely i think that it off. absolutely i think that it's there is still truly yes there is still a kind of i still have faith that people have what's called common sense . and what's called common sense. and frankly, if you are living an area with wild fires , you're area with wild fires, you're going to work out soon, then your phone be paid. and what this in terms of changing human

behaviour, it stops people thinking for themselves , it thinking for themselves, it stops the next generation that they can solve anything with personal responsibility. up personal responsibility. it's up to government and you to the government and you staring a class action staring at a mass class action as well, because you know what happenif as well, because you know what happen if you if you if you get up you don't get up and your up or you don't get up and your burns down, people are going to be well, be suing the government. well, the wages be set. mean, the wages might be set. i mean, a burnt and no one. a house burnt down and no one. beats me. i think that before they rather than the government, i think they'll find they i think they'll find that they find things. but find the way most things. but look, take yourself back a couple of weeks talk about couple of weeks you talk about common yourself common sense take yourself a couple the warnings couple of weeks the warnings that the snow on that went out about the snow on the in advance on the the m62 well in advance on the day itself . yet you still got day itself. yet you still got people who ventured out there and travelling and got caught got stuck for six. that's what being a freak person is. not having the government . you're having the government. you're not allowed to go out and you can't use your phone to see respond to my warning saying that nobody's i don't think that even the government would say not allowed to it really is it's just case of this is a warning

just a case of this is a warning it's arrived you might want to do to save do something about it to save some life. that's what some of these life. that's what this about . some of these life. that's what this about. i don't think this is about. i don't think it's a case of interference in privacy or any of that sort of thing. these are red herrings. well, right. we're going well, all right. we're going to let jim. we've let jim go. thanks, jim. we've got to keep these people in this dewsbury, thanks to spring. dewsbury, this thanks to spring. fine. my colleague from the daily mail and of course, british anti—racism company . can british anti—racism company. can i ask you both first of what you think of this idea? because i can see it's terrifying. you were shaking your head focussed. i i hate track and trace i mean, i hate track and trace app. yeah, i reminds me of that 100% full kind of intrusion into what i suppose you're you what i mean, suppose you're you know, was arguing that, know, jim was arguing that, well, know, iphones being well, you know, iphones being hacked tick tock has been hacked with tick tock has been huge story has not. yeah yeah yeah you grant shapps is going to back to here. i to keep on his back to here. i just find i think your point is which kind of which is that know this kind of we live in this coastal of we all live in this coastal of anxiety. yeah she's going to be another pandemic it's my is the planet blow i mean planet going to blow up i mean i'm sure we really i'm just not sure we really need. absolutely i think need. yeah absolutely i think

bushra know i think it's bushra you know i think it's fine. we've got so much stuff on our and. oh my god, it is our phones and. oh my god, it is not fight. everybody to. not fight. everybody needs to. it's fine . i was. you've got it's not fine. i was. you've got kids haven't. yeah. yeah i was just see my children just go see some my children over and they were over the weekend and they were saying you getting saying mum why are you getting so it. like they do so cross about it. like they do about most things. and i was, and they said it might our and they said it might save our lives and i said that is the problem fact that think that problem fact that you think that shows you were already shows that you were already worried an worried that there was an impending in impending disaster in which government and government must save you and therefore have already therefore they have already got that anxiety. yeah is already there because they think . well, there because they think. well, there because they think. well, there because they think. well, there be some reason there must be some reason why you need to beat me. i think. i think the 5 minutes that's going to and then we're going to happen and then we're going to happen and then we're going to about because to forget about it, because chances that's probably not. chances are that's probably not. yeah, could be the yeah, but it could be the previous mission wasn't action. and the it's been ended, and the way it's been ended, which is . and where do which really is. and where do they go next with this. if you were to agree to it, you know what? again, you know what they're to text you when they're going to text you when you a clean your teeth. you have a clean your teeth. yeah is alcohol. yeah whose idea is it? alcohol. you've had too many. yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. your phone's going

to brutalising. to start brutalising. yeah. monitoring your chocolate intake. which way? trouble for you, emergency that you, sir the emergency that they're well, yeah, but they're talking. well, yeah, but there . we all know if there isn't. we all know if a government gets law, it takes more laws and more power. and this is another of its sticking its nose in and also we look at the incompetence of government. i don't really trust them with data. know , i know. so don't data. i know, i know. so don't you think because know what will happenis you think because know what will happen is this there'll be a whole generation of young youtubers they're going to wait for to go and. you for their phone to go and. you know what they're going to do? they're to head straight they're going to head straight to emergency. if it's a terrorist attack, it's a fire, it's a crash. it's anything. they're going to be down there it's a crash. it's anything. they're it. ing to be down there it's a crash. it's anything. they're it. so to be down there it's a crash. it's anything. they're it. so it'sbe down there it's a crash. it's anything. they're it. so it's goingvn there it's a crash. it's anything. they're it. so it's going to there to film it. so it's going to have complete opposite have the complete opposite effect. let's talk about rwanda. that's vine, you know, lots of tory they seem tory politicians, they seem to sense this might sense that this might even actually that i think actually happen, that i think the the rwanda is the whole point of the rwanda is to try people getting to try and stop people getting in in first. yeah, in the boats in the first. yeah, good. do i mean it's i doubt good. i do i mean it's i doubt very much many people very much whether many people will in rwanda i think will end up in rwanda i think it's meant to be a deterrent although suella braverman look

very nice they look nice very nice they look quite nice and in front that and look nice in front of that cricket. think problem cricket. and i think problem with optics of this are not with the optics of this are not great because there be lots of people who genuine refugees who will think, you know, who you can't send to rwanda because it's not really their. but, you know, i mean, it's quite difficult , i think. but know, i mean, it's quite difficult, i think. but think it may happen and the government are determined try and tackle this. but. spokesman i think they're right about that because you can't you know, coming into penod you can't you know, coming into period in the in the year when lots across and lots starts come across and people unfortunately get into trouble and that's what they do need to try and do something they created themselves created they created themselves created the problem the boats they're not shut down. all of those pathways , you know, before we pathways, you know, before we wouldn't have these. so large of people taking dangerous on the boats and quite suella braverman . it's not it's not holiday camp. it just feels wrong. this feels higgledy piggledy, same as

say, i don't think it's going to have a long life. i think it might be fun now and you know, a few years down the line, mark have signed up exactly to the same deal. it's a very nice, peaceful country. i'm sure they've signed to is but it they've signed up to is but it is very elementary we is still very very elementary we don't know what's going to happen how many people going to get it's to get there, what it's going to look i it's going to look like. i think it's going to fall on face. can't fall flat on its face. we can't 45,000 people the 45,000 people crossing the channel year. channel illegal every year. it'll more this year. i agree it'll be more this year. i agree but the question is, how is this actually going work? because i think we've just got deterrent. are they they going are are they are they going to are they coming here first and then we deciding are we keeping some these some of them back and then some how is that process? some off? how is that process? i think think that they're so think i think that they're so determined to is going to determined to do it is going to make a deterrent. yes. make it of a deterrent. yes. because that because if people think that it's actually to happen, it's actually going to happen, that they will actually end up being deported to than being deported to rather than they're to come via they're not going to come via that route. and think the main that route. and i think the main objective people objective is to stop people using route because using that route because it's such dangerous not going such a dangerous it's not going to work . well. must tell to work. well. well, i must tell

you, have a colleague, sarah you, we have a colleague, sarah and i go out and she was out here in ireland recently on the huge influx of refugees who are in ireland now. it's a big issue there. and he talked a lot of there. and he talked to a lot of and said, oh, we can't we've come to ireland because we dread and said, oh, we can't we've conidea ireland because we dread and said, oh, we can't we've conidea we and because we dread and said, oh, we can't we've conidea we mightecause we dread and said, oh, we can't we've conidea we might if|use we dread and said, oh, we can't we've conidea we might if we're e dread and said, oh, we can't we've conidea we might if we're iniread the idea we might if we're in england, might go to. so i england, we might go to. so i wonder if the deterrent already beginning take effect. beginning to take effect. oh, look, is what look, if that's if this is what they're trying to do, then i hope them it but hope them it works. but genuinely, when you are already desperate and you're crossing a channel you may die thinking channel and you may die thinking that i might end up in rwanda , that i might end up in rwanda, it's not going to deter people if that's they think it will, i think it will deter the sort of i mean, 40% of people who across last year from albania which is not a dangerous country, they probably deter those sort of people who are, you know, single young males who are coming just because they want you know, they economic migrants really . because they want you know, they economic migrants really. i think it will deter them because they really don't want to end up

in rwanda, because that's not their thing, i think. and hopefully it will make it easier for people who genuine for people who are genuine refugees who really do our help and who are coming for and who are not coming here for economic to get the help economic reasons to get the help they need that that be my they need that that would be my well i it works right a met police story bushra what is all this about top police chief says the met has no god given right to exist without public trust. we need the met, don't we? we really, really . the met and the really, really. the met and the last few months, years, even the pubuc last few months, years, even the public have had lost faith in the there's been too many incidents , says not even incidents, says not even allegations . police officers allegations. police officers being charged with rape sexual assault. these are the people that are put in place of public and a genuine and like even i just i have these just with my friends and it's frightening for women for women to the point where we're not trusting who these and a lot of this crisis confidence for women i would say be it happened on the watch of the first ever woman

metropolitan commissioner cressida dick, who was a crushing just crushing terrible just so incompetent, wasn't she just totally she was incompetent totally she was just incompetent . yeah, she was just . yeah, right. she was just didn't couldn't well didn't just couldn't it. well expressing reports tomorrow expressing this reports tomorrow from casey , she's expected from lady casey, she's expected to severely criticised the met for multiple failings include including misogyny and including misogyny racism and homophobia homophobia . is that homophobia homophobia. is that the problem sarah that there's too much emphasis on whether the police are taking those particular boxes which are important , particular boxes which are important, but they should surely this this report be about whether that solving crimes . whether that solving crimes. well, i mean i think the thing is the whole whole organisation clearly needs massive reset, doesn't it ? and i think that doesn't it? and i think that there's a lot of there's a lot of deadwood. i mean , if you just of deadwood. i mean, if you just look at the number of police officers been convicted officers who've been convicted almost every liverpool. yeah. yes. why that why are they even in the system. yeah so then there needs to be an absolute sort of, you know they to go through and they need to get rid of those sorts of people, they need to identify and then they need to identify and then they need reset it. i mean, if you

need to reset it. i mean, if you do that, then you won't have a problem. then misogyny, racism and those things, because and all of those things, because you'll have the right of you'll have the right sort of people doing, work. and i people doing, the work. and i, i think problem that think the problem is that i think the problem is that i think quite, you know, think it's quite, you know, i would like to speak up for would just like to speak up for police yeah good. you police officers. yeah good. you know because i do think their job incredibly difficult job is incredibly difficult they're with incredibly they're dealing with incredibly difficult and people they're dealing with incredibly difficulot and people they're dealing with incredibly difficulot of and people they're dealing with incredibly difficulot of them and people they're dealing with incredibly difficulot of them spend eople they're dealing with incredibly difficulot of them spend their and a lot of them spend their whole know, having whole lives, you know, having to cope violence, cope with horrendous violence, incidents stuff where they incidents and stuff where they they themselves are danger they themselves are in danger treat and they often they'll separate social worker. separate a social worker. exactly. so i think we to exactly. so i think we need to accept that. need to have accept that. we need to have more for the police more respect for the police generally their job, for generally for their job, for what do them not what they do and them and not end recruiting scumbags end up recruiting scumbags because all they can get, you know, as i mean, i, i think that's the thing. it needs to be a job that people can really take pride in and know that they are appreciated and supported. and don't think that's and i don't think that's happening had successive home secretaries undermining the police treating police and treating them appallingly theresa may being worst offender, theresa may being offender and being the worst offender and that that is on the tory government's watch now they need

to fix that . so i mean, yes, the to fix that. so i mean, yes, the problem with the is in trouble but know all policemen are but you know all policemen are not and a lot of them do not rapists and a lot of them do really difficult . yeah, yeah, really difficult. yeah, yeah, sure. me ask about trump. sure. let me ask about trump. are you donald trump ? i sort of are you donald trump? i sort of sit in the middle with him. i sway so often every time i sort of have a news about trump, i'm thinking, okay, because there are elements of him. i actually like and i want to see what he's had.the like and i want to see what he's had. the guy his hair, had. the guy i see his hair, i feel like he's he's one of these people where he just says as people where he just says it as it is. and we need more plausible males us about him. i love that. i really love that because that's also relatable. you can relate to him. you like he's speaking the truth. he's saying he he's not saying as he is, he's not covering anything and i like covering anything up. and i like that pete. you like that about pete. would you like to the united states to be present the united states again? you know what good again? do you know what good again? do you know what good again? at the moment, again? i mean, at the moment, biden i did have biden said, i think i did have some idiot and he should be nowhere near power . donald nowhere near power. and donald trump deep and sorry. no, i was just to say to i mean, i used to feel like that. and then i've

watched biden, you know, i mean, yeah. so trump, in my opinion, is a contest to see which one is more toxic . because, i i'm more toxic. because, i mean, i'm not suggesting biden is any better, don't that at better, but i just don't that at a population of country, of hundred 30 million and that's what they put to elect dopey joe biden and donald cherry. a bit about democracy, it. about democracy, doesn't it. yeah and i mean i read yeah yeah no. and i mean i read somewhere hillary clinton may be trying to make a comeback god save obama and michelle save michelle obama and michelle obama duchess obama but i'm sure the duchess of sussex will say, oh, she's you . yes, absolutely. but i this you. yes, absolutely. but i this you. yes, absolutely. but i this you know, encouraging his supporters to come protest, to crisis, to protest . that's not crisis, to protest. that's not okay. you can't i mean, that an echo of what happened on capitol hill which is an attempt to subvert tomorrow and he's such a drama queen. i mean, isn't he? if you're going to be arrested just, be arrested quietly and go and everything that you need and do everything that you need to have to tweet out to do, i have to tweet it out the time wife says to him, the time his wife says to him, because she's so nice and sensible. but you see, he doesn't say that it gets people on he cast himself as

on side when he cast himself as the a people wants to the victim a people wants to vote for that's paradox vote for him. that's paradox of it. you both. it. all right. thank you both. now coming back, checking back with us in the yeah, with us in the next. yeah, that's the next few that's right. in the next few home secretary suggested not in the you the next few minutes. you said it. that's what i'm to be it. that's what i'm going to be talking this talking about with this breakthrough, with the echr, which see these deep which could see these deep flights this summer. flights taking off this summer. do you think that'll happen? stay with us to find out. hello, i'm alex deakin and this is your latest update from met latest weather update from met office. mild for most. office. a mild monday for most. a around in some a lot of cloud around in some places, fairly damp . well, with places, fairly damp. well, with rain coming from weather , rain coming from these weather, areas of pressure will areas of low pressure will dominate to wear that throughout this but tucked between this week. but tucked between these two weather fronts is some pretty air. so where it does brighten up parts of north england and to and cambridgeshire perhaps north—east wales what temperatures really jump up but these were the front to providing rain over northern england pushing into southern and then central scotland right at wales and south west at times wales and south west england as well some showers england as well as some showers across south—east. it's in across the south—east. it's in between two weather fronts where

we'll some brightness we'll see some brightness and that temperatures as that could see temperatures as high as 60. and even where it's cloudy, it'll reach 13 14. it cloudy, it'll reach 13 or 14. it is little colder in northern is a little colder in northern scotland, staying dry here, though, until the evening when that and then further that rain in and then further pulses push from the west pulses of push in from the west could be a little heavy in places through the night over parts of north—west england. wales the midlands wales heading into the midlands and then temperatures dropping too far through the night. so double figures across parts of nonh double figures across parts of north east england in particular, most in high single figures. so a cold to figures. so not a cold to tuesday, not a mild probably a bit brighter tomorrow. better chance of seeing some sunshine, but there will still be showers around initially over south of scotland's northern england. and then we'll see a few developing through the day over the midlands, parts of eastern before rain into before another band of rain into northern ireland. later but northern ireland. later on but but chance sunny but a chance of some sunny spells over parts of wales southwest england . look the southwest england. look at the temperatures mild across temperatures again mild across the we could easily get up the board we could easily get up to 16 celsius in the sunny and then we look at more rain coming in from the west and the winds

picking as well. and that's picking up as well. and that's going a feature of the going to be a feature of the weather throughout weather really throughout this week. often week. spells of rain, often bluster some bluster, but some drier conditions . well, wednesday conditions. well, wednesday looks a little drier for most, but then further heavy are likely by thursday and friday. but throughout this week, it does look like staying pretty mild. goodbye

welcome to the point gb news in the andrew pierce and bev turner. but still to come this morning , speaking exclusively to morning, speaking exclusively to gb news, home secretary suella braverman says that she's close to a breakthrough with. the echr that see deep rotation that could see deep rotation flights taking off for rwanda as early as this summer. do you believe that that software topol will all that in just will bring you all that in just a moment? well, we can hope so. now, reform uk, that's the successor the brexit successor to the brexit party. they're holding a press conference morning. conference this morning. we're expecting pretty expecting some pretty big announcements and announcements from them and we'll you as and when we'll bring them you as and when they happen. yeah, you don't want to miss also boris

want to miss that. also boris johnson will argue today that the into whether he the inquiry into whether he misled parliament over lockdown is biased and unlawful. he submitted evidence his defence ahead of a by mps on wednesday all you bothered about partygate animal? i think not. i wonder. and that's why the poll that i just mentioned let us know i think it was 5350 3% weren't confident that going to actually happen. but we think that's a big improvement on even a month ago. yeah really. yeah. so let us know what you think about that, won't you? still to come, what else have we got on this one? we got all get we're getting bet. and we're getting our best bet. and we're also gonna be talking the also gonna be talking about the 20th of iraq 20th anniversary of the iraq war, think was a in the war, which i think was a in the middle east. been unstable middle east. it's been unstable ever saravanan and bashir ever since saravanan and bashir sheikh. be here in sheikh. we'll be back here in the with. but first of the studio with. but first of all, your news tamsin all, here's your news tamsin roberts . baer,

all, here's your news tamsin roberts. baer, thank and good morning from the gb newsroom. it's 11:02. china's president xi it's11:02. china's president xi jinping has arrived in moscow for talks with vladimir putin . for talks with vladimir putin. the trip comes just days after international criminal court , an international criminal court, an arrest warrant for russian president on charges of crimes. its president xi's first visit to russia since the start of the invasion of ukraine. he acknowledged that solutions are not easy, but calls for pragmatism . president putin has pragmatism. president putin has welcomed what he calls china's to play a constructive role in resolving the crisis , but warned resolving the crisis, but warned he will reject any ultimatums. us security expert andrea kendall taylor described the visit as signal of solidarity between . beijing and moscow. him between. beijing and moscow. him going to moscow at this time provides a really important signal of his continued support for putin. and of course, that is designed to show the united states in particular that these

two countries are aligned , that two countries are aligned, that they have this deep partnership and that they stand in opposition to the united states, that are united in pushing back us and western influence that they see as limiting power on they see as limiting power on the international stage . justice the international stage. justice ministers, meanwhile, from around the world meet in london today to discuss support for the international criminal court. the uk's prime minister, dominic raab, says the 40 nations are unhed raab, says the 40 nations are united behind one cause to hold war criminals to account for what he describes as the atrocities in ukraine. president putin is accused of being responsible for the kidnapping and deportation of thousands ukrainian children. the called the allegations outrageous and unacceptable . the home secretary unacceptable. the home secretary has spoken exclusively to gb news about the government's migration policy , insisting it's migration policy, insisting it's the right way to solve the small

boats crisis . it comes after boats crisis. it comes after suella braverman said migrants could be sent to rwanda by the summer. the between the two countries has been expanded to include all illegal migrants , include all illegal migrants, just asylum seekers. problem yesterday said she told constructive talks with the european court of human rights over reforms to the injunction halted migrant flights to the. our approach in the united kingdom to stopping the boats is both some and robust . our legal both some and robust. our legal migration bill will make clear that if you arrive in the uk illegally you will detained and you'll be swiftly removed . and you'll be swiftly removed. and at the same time humane and compassionate . and people who compassionate. and people who are relocated to rwanda will receive a safe and secure reception . and i think those two reception. and i think those two elements robustness with our legal processes in. the uk, combined with compassion, is way to solve this problem . london to solve this problem. london stock markets in the uk. oil and

gas prices have tumbled today despite the state rescue of troubled bank credit suisse . ubs troubled bank credit suisse. ubs agreed to buy swiss rival in a deal worth more than two and a half billion pounds. the deal worth more than two and a half billion pounds . the footsie half billion pounds. the footsie 100 fell by 1% to its lowest in more than four months. and shares in credit suisse dived by than the bank england than 60. the bank england remains confident that uk banks are safe and sound . boris are safe and sound. boris johnson's defence against claims he lied to parliament over the partygate could be published today. partygate could be published today . the former prime minister today. the former prime minister will give evidence to the privileges committee wednesday. the committee will publish its findings on whether mr. johnson committed a contempt of parliament and make a recommendation on any punishment. the house of commons make the final decision. i says bofis make the final decision. i says boris johnson's position will be vindicated . the average of a vindicated. the average of a home in the uk jumped almost £3,000 in march. property website rightmove says this , was

website rightmove says this, was dnven website rightmove says this, was driven by an increase in asking pnces driven by an increase in asking prices which have spiked by almost £8,000 on average. rightmove's executive described the current market as unsustainable . this is gb news unsustainable. this is gb news more for me shortly now though. back to bevan. andrew . back to bevan. andrew. so european judges on the brink of backing down on a ruling that prevented migrants from being sent to rwanda. but at least we hope so anyway, the home secretary says talks with those european judges have been constructive and suggested the first flights could first batch of flights could take before the summer. so take off before the summer. so this trip to this follows from his trip to rwanda. qatar capital, kigali , rwanda. qatar capital, kigali, where she claimed the country was ready to take thousands of migrants. an exclusive gb news, the home secretary said rwanda remains a welcoming country would offer asylum seekers a good life as a home security editor mark reports. now critics

have accused the home secretary of indulging in nothing more a glorified photo op . and yes of glorified photo op. and yes of course these powerful images . course these powerful images. but suella visit here is not about the eye catching symbol symbol. the uk government desperately needs. the agreement with rwanda to succeed without a third country willing to take relocate asylum seekers. the government's illegal migration bill is almost certain to stumble at the first hurdle. so a meeting with the rwandan president paul kagame was on the agenda as the uk's strengthens its partnership . the home its partnership. the home secretary certainly packed a lot into her two day schedule

visiting new housing developments and other support services being geared up to accommodate thousands of asylum seekers who may end up here in months ahead. the plans still have their , of course, tv have their, of course, tv presenter gary lineker, opposite and politicians and others . but and politicians and others. but suella braverman . told no one suella braverman. told no one should judge unless they've been here. would you encourage actually to come here and see for themselves what rwanda has to those who would come here and settle . absolutely. i think settle. absolutely. i think there has been too much pressure , judice, frankly, snobbery amongst the critics who most of most of whom haven't even visited rwanda . this is my third visited rwanda. this is my third visited rwanda. this is my third visit to , rwanda. this is a visit to, rwanda. this is a welcoming country. it's a dynamic economy . so to all of dynamic economy. so to all of those critics who display a gross prejudice against rwanda,

i tell them , visit first. and i tell them, visit first. and then judge an important stop off for was this huge tech hub in the capital, kigali , home to the capital, kigali, home to hundreds of start—ups and companies from around the world. rwanda is home to a burgeoning tech sector and also kigali house in particular has over 200 companies start—ups that are stationed out of here. also organisations that support start—ups and we have more than a thousand members now . 55% of a thousand members now. 55% of these are from other african countries . the keppler academy countries. the keppler academy high , the hills over kigali, high, the hills over kigali, another example, says the home secretary . of the many secretary. of the many educations services rwanda can provide it asylum seekers . provide it asylum seekers. there's well—established well—resourced impacted local university has already committed to ensuring up to 25% of the students here will be refugees .

students here will be refugees. but like the many housing complexes around this capital city, they have absolutely no idea just how many people will be asked to accommodate for. in truth the home secretary doesn't .even truth the home secretary doesn't . even know how many asylum seekers may eventually have to be sent . it could be seekers may eventually have to be sent. it could be many thousands. but home office officials are quietly hoping that, just like the australian against the small, once that, just like the australian against the small , once they against the small, once they finally relocating asylum seekers, the people smugglers model will be broken . how's it model will be broken. how's it going ? it's a big gamble . and going? it's a big gamble. and this country is a vital component . mark this country is a vital component. mark gb news in the rwanda capital, kigali . and rwanda capital, kigali. and we're delighted. mark white joins us now live from kigali. mark, morning, well done joins us now live from kigali. mark, morning , well done with mark, morning, well done with the interview with the home

secretary. can you clear up some confusion for us as some suggestion when priti patel first unveiled this proposal to go to rwanda would be up to 200 migrants could go suella braverman is talking about thousands. how much capacity is there . well the is open ended . there. well the is open ended. in that sense there is no on it. in that sense there is no on it. i would imagine that , you know, i would imagine that, you know, many thousands might be a push for the rwandans in the short term , over a longer period of term, over a longer period of time . they could gear up, term, over a longer period of time . they could gear up , they time. they could gear up, they see, to be able to accommodate it that level of sort of asylum seekers coming here to rwanda. but i think really what the british government is hoping for deep down with this policy that they have is , that when they they have is, that when they start presuming they're ever to by the courts to send these

planes rwanda that when start showing in earnest that they are embarking on that process and we'll know those coming across on small boats see that there is a significant chance that they won't end up in the uk that they will be sent effectively a one way ticket to rwanda for processing that that will the people model and then andrew, they will not be you you know, sending any more people to rwanda because they won't need to they will have broken the that model , the people that model, the people smugglers, it seems a touch optimistic but that the sort to underline saying a strategy at play underline saying a strategy at play here. fine line to get right isn't it so one of our viewers fred has got in touch and he said well done far suella braverman for what we? see. rwanda has certainly got it

better than us. the cleanliness is, admirable. they seem to be far more in their outlook. but of course this is meant to be a deterrent for people wanting to cross the channel. how do they get balance right . yeah, well, get balance right. yeah, well, i did ask that very same question to suella braverman yesterday. isn't there fundamental contradiction ? you see that the contradiction? you see that the policy of sending people to will act as a deterrent yet you? then of course on a trip like this and extol the virtues of life . and extol the virtues of life. an asylum seeker here, rwanda. now what she said effectively to answer that point was it is a deterrent because it's a deterrent because it's a deterrent to those who were determined to start a life in the uk for . whatever reason the uk for. whatever reason family connections the standard living, the hope to achieve whatever the draw was that drew them to the uk. if they were

coming by a regular route . that coming by a regular route. that avenue is not open to them any more. however, on the other hand, she see but doesn't mean that they are abrogating the human responsibilities to be able and send people asylum seekers to a country where those human rights would be supported recognised. they see british government that they are convinced that the rwandans will respect the human of those who arrive live here. they will give them opportunities here. but yes, you're right. mean them opportunities here. but yes, you're right . mean there them opportunities here. but yes, you're right. mean there is it seems a bit of a contradiction at play here beth and i was saying, mark, how nice it looks we were thinking, blimey, might be a nice to go on houday. blimey, might be a nice to go on holiday . well, i mean, it. i holiday. well, i mean, it. i have to say, i've been very pleasantly surprised that people here are very indeed. the streets are they are very clean

. traffic's not too bad . the . traffic's not too bad. the shops springing up all over the place. lots of businesses . we place. lots of businesses. we were in a huge tech hub yesterday where 200 companies and start ups are in there and it's expanding all of the time, but it's becoming a real sort of a tech innovator in a power house within the continent of africa, the economy is burgeoning as and it is on an upward trajectory despite the obvious concerns that people have about you know the human rights issues is a growing standard level and hope and opportunity at an economic level. the freedom arms maybe still have some way to go to be fully recognised . those issues, fully recognised. those issues, for instance on the border with the democratic republic congo the democratic republic congo the drc accused the rwandans of supporting rebels who've taken parts of the eastern region. so there's definitely issues at

play there's definitely issues at play here, but i don't think anyone, certainly from the uk is actually saying, you know rwanda is completely comparable to the uk. it's not all about people who sent here still . decent life who sent here still. decent life and have their fundamental freedoms respected. so mark, before you go, i want to read you one message that's come in from a it's spelt sula it's not sula it is spelt differently. but she says i'm not i'm watching white in rwanda and i'm very proud to see suella braverman choosing this channel to with her and to give you to go with her and to give you an exclusive interview . an exclusive interview. testament to what an excellent people's channel you are. mark white is brilliant and. so say all of us, mark. okay, well, i'm blushing now, but as i say, you know we are here. i know that other other other broadcasters , other other other broadcasters, you know, we're invited here. that has been a point of

contention . you know, all we can contention. you know, all we can see is that, you know, we are here and we're trying to report honestly on what we see. yeah, well, that's not why . home well, that's not why. home security editor who , as you say, security editor who, as you say, is brilliant. now, let's get some more analysis on this from the deputy editor of conservativehome hill. henry morning . morning it seems does morning. morning it seems does it strike you there? definitely feels in the air. a lot more confidence this is actually going to happen and that perhaps rishi certainly we know the home secretary is, but she's up for the fight with those european judges. if necessary . yeah. so judges. if necessary. yeah. so it does look like it's going to happen. basically, the interim judgement that was by the european court basically said that british courts not that because british courts not ruled rwanda was a safe , ruled that rwanda was a safe, the government therefore could not proceed until they had done that. and basically what happened a few months ago is that the supreme handed down a judgement in which it said that yes thought rwanda was yes, thought that rwanda was safe, the original safe, so therefore the original ecj all stay is no longer

operative or will not be operative or will not be operative probably. and then the question whether or not the european judges come up, another reason to block it. and most of the informed opinion that i've got is that they probably got so far is that they probably won't. so that's the basis for the home secretary's confidence. okay. so will this okay. got so will this translate, though , to the translate, though, to the public, do you think? we've had a twitter running this a twitter poll running this morning, if i'd asked this morning, and if i'd asked this question a six months ago, it was roughly about 5% cent people would say they don't believe this to result in this is ever going to result in people deported deported people being deported deported to and this morning so far it was 53% of people think was about 53% of people think this is going to work. so do you think this will get through to the public or are we just so kind of worn down now by disappointments in area that it's a much steeper hill to climb ? i think the government climb? i think the government does potentially have a problem with what what the public think this policy for because in your own report you were hearing about thousands of people being sent through london. now the best actually heard best case i've actually heard for policy wasn't from a for this policy wasn't from a

politician, was from a home politician, it was from a home office servant. and they said it's about sending lots of it's not about sending lots of people rwanda. point is that people to rwanda. point is that because lot the because an awful lot of the people, channel want people, the channel don't want to end in rwanda, the hope is to end up in rwanda, the hope is that they therefore won't destroy their paperwork. currently, smugglers currently, the people smugglers , throw , everyone coming over, throw your in sea. it's been your passport in sea. it's been very difficult britain to very difficult for britain to send even if they send you back, even if they reject your asylum claim. if people know they're going end people know they're going to end in rwanda, they keep that in rwanda, they will keep that passport. they that passport. and if they keep that passport, doesn't passport, frankly, it doesn't matter where we process them, because claim fails, it because if their claim fails, it will easier to send them will be much easier to send them back. so that might be a way the policy doesn't result policy works that doesn't result in people being in thousands of people being sent to rwanda. so the government to careful government needs to be careful that actually takes the time that it actually takes the time to people that to express that to people that they've had real they've had. they've had real problems the beginning problems from the beginning selling haven't selling this, henry haven't they? yeah absolutely. i mean, again, there's been huge confusion about what exactly it's how many it's trying to do, how many people going to sent people are going to sent to united states deterrent or, united states a deterrent or, you you touched on that your you you touched on that in your report. is it a or is it going to be great new life for these to be a great new life for these people being over the people being sent over the border? really has

border? so it really has a challenge and they're going to have you know, have more legal. you know, they're this they're bringing forward this new bill. the aim is try and new bill. the aim is to try and speed processing here speed up processing here in the uk. parts of that bill uk. different parts of that bill will challenged the court will be challenged in the court by the same activists who challenged they'll challenged the last. they'll lose so they lose some of those. so they really the messaging. this really have the messaging. this has been bad, it does has been really bad, but it does look i think they start look like i think if they start managing actually it ticking managing to actually it ticking over suella over then at least suella braverman have something to braverman will have something to point to and say, look, we have pushed through. all right. pushed this through. all right. thank hill, thank you, henry. henry hill, the conservativehome . the editor of conservativehome. now, we've been talking about this some all morning. you're this some all morning. if you're listening on the radio, we're seeing reform press seeing pictures of reform press conference in london this morning. reform u.k. is a successor party to the brexit party. and who's that? party. and guess who's that? speaking looks like the speaking that looks like the redoubtable widdecombe. redoubtable ann widdecombe. ann widdecombe. this widdecombe. so reform this morning are announcing who they have managed to convince, cajole , persuade to come and stand candidates for them in the next election . the leader, richard election. the leader, richard tice, is confident he's going to field candidates , all of the field candidates, all of the constituencies at the election. we're seeing ann widdecombe and

we're going to be talking to richard tice to out also who else has he managed to get? i wouldn't be if anybody who's been on the program a few times joins and a few others. ann widdecombe, of course, didn't join uk. she stood down from the brexit party after being an mep . so to get her is quite a coup. i think she's very popular. she's a good constituency. she's got a good constituency. and i remember we did the great expenses in the daily expenses scandal in the daily and i was on the telegraph at the time. had saints. she was the time. we had saints. she was one of yeah she she's one of them. yeah she she's a she's one of matriarchs she's one of those matriarchs that we're turning to that feels like we're turning to more now to look some common more now to look for some common sense. of the view sense. but she's of the view like brexit not been like that brexit has not been that it's been betrayed and that whole framework of northern ireland, northern ireland. it's not the most interesting two words english language. words in the english language. they a set up. yeah, they say it's a set up. yeah, absolutely. richard of course. who heads up the reform party is himself a successful businessman. as you said, i think one of the other names of that, of individuals that will

be signing for form is ben habib. so you will know from this channel, i think barnaby was a hero? he's a great man. he's a great man. and still to come, of course, it's 20 years since that of iraq. the effect, the reverberating the war reverberating all throughout region. we're throughout the region. we're speaking two former military speaking to two former military officers to if there's been officers to see if there's been any learned . see you. any lessons learned. see you. sure

very good morning. thank you for us here on gb news. this is the show where we try and get to the point of the big issues with andrew pierce and bev turner this morning we've been asking now that you've seen the home secretary's rwanda secretary's trip to rwanda and our gb interview, are you our gb news interview, are you more that her plans to more confident that her plans to fix illegal migration be fix illegal migration will be successful? or if you've been voting 55% of you voting in our poll, 55% of you are confident that her will be successful. did you just say that? no, no, no. okay. very good. picture. if you good. over the picture. if you listen and listen on the radio. yeah and we're going to keep this poll going. of course during the show. yeah, absolutely . think show. yeah, absolutely. think that's interesting. so that's really interesting. so it's people are taster it's kind of people are taster

now. might just do well now. yes she might just do well i a little bit more and i need a little bit more and i think the interview with mark white and the home would have convinced people watching actually she's she's actually she's determined she's got sails yeah and got wind in her sails yeah and it quite a nice and lots it looks quite a nice and lots of you think this is a great idea. a lot of you are cautiously optimistic, i guess. bruce said if the deal works, there's no need to keep throwing money at france, is there, jenny? i'm all in of the rwanda initiative as cecilia hope. nobody scuppers it. those nobody scuppers it. keep those coming . it's 20 years coming right now. it's 20 years since the iraq war, since parliament voted in favour , parliament voted in favour, sending british troops to war in iraq. that's but 20 years on. there are still many over whether the invasion of was a by—product of deception from uk politicians , wrongful politicians, wrongful intelligence or both . yeah. intelligence or both. yeah. well, joining us for more is the former head of counter—terrorism and a major general chapman and also former commander of fourth armoured brigade who served in iraq in 2004 2005. brigadier paul gibson. gentlemen, hello to both . good morning. should we go

both. good morning. should we go to brigadier first? brigadier, you were there you saw the aftermath of the iraq war. one of the great criticisms , blair of the great criticisms, blair and bush, was that they made no contingencies for what came next. well, andrew, before we start this, let me, of course, record the fact that 179 british armed forces were killed during operation tulloch and many others . life changing industry others. life changing industry injuries. that, of course , so injuries. that, of course, so are hundreds of thousands of iraqis . so we should have done iraqis. so we should have done is very much in mind when we are talking about what or might not have happened. my overriding sense was there was sensible discussion either in washington or in london about the reconsider action in iraq . reconsider action in iraq. militarily, people were completely on kicking in the door , defeating saddam hussein's door, defeating saddam hussein's forces , and there was really forces, and there was really very little thought given to what comes . it was essentially what comes. it was essentially an american plan, but in the british sector , we didn't have

british sector, we didn't have the sense, even at the tactical operational level, about second guessing what really what we would be doing the day after we successfully suppressed iraqi forces . and one of the forces. and one of the objectives just so that just one of the objectives, of course, you get rid the dictator, saddam hussein, a fledgling democracy emerges. that simply hasn't happened. emerges. that simply hasn't happened . no but it was happened. no but it was hopelessly naive . that was the hopelessly naive. that was the sort of sense an it's interesting that both both of you are talking about the occupation . you recall back in occupation. you recall back in the day , we were very keen to the day, we were very keen to talk about a liberation there. once with unfettered them from saddam hussein . they would grow. saddam hussein. they would grow. they would achieve a liberal democracy and move on to the sunday afterwards. and of course, they weren't as a population prepared for that . i population prepared for that. i want to start stripping out the iraqi army, dismantling the iraqi army, dismantling the iraqi police doing all the de—baathification that took . we de—baathification that took. we left out mess and then were

playing catch up in terms of what do we do next. how do we help that reconstruction fight. major chip chapman of course, there'll be people watching and listening to this who are even too young to remember was happening 20 years ago. so can you just remind us of the genesis of this particular. who were the main protagonists and why did we enact the action that we did in the first place? well, the first thing to say is, of course, that there was gulf war one in 1990, 91, and saddam hussein was the leader of iraq. and i in those days, he was still the leader. iraq in 2003. and the genesis of the war was the basis that unscr 19 nominations security council resolution 41 said that had weapons of mass destruction . and weapons of mass destruction. and so the war was posited on the fact that we were going to intervene to get rid of saddam's weapons of mass destruction .

weapons of mass destruction. now, of course, the intelligence of that was flawed . you know, we of that was flawed. you know, we was situating the appreciate nafion was situating the appreciate nation on the basis that he had that and he didn't. and that coloured the view of the intelligence . he used all the intelligence. he used all the biases , which you shouldn't. and biases, which you shouldn't. and intelligence in terms of confirmation, bias, framing , confirmation, bias, framing, groupthink to make the case because we were blair was really the sort of poodle the bush in going in and unleashed unleashed these forces when we went in which after the war fighting had been successful led to the war after the war and the insurgency which still induced today with the terrorist groups which was still fighting because operation shader which most of it goes from cypress these days terms of raaf bombing missions is still going after the things which were the outcome that war that is isis an outcome of the invasion . in 2003 going on. invasion. in 2003 going on. i was going to say, in your view

major—general on the basis of if the weapons if the weapons of mass destruction had existed , mass destruction had existed, was it a legitimate conflict ? was it a legitimate conflict? it's the wrong question. so the first thing that a lot of people say is was the war illegal? it wasn't. it was immoral. the second thing, of course , that second thing, of course, that there was a parliamentary vote for this of the politics of players at the time, which gave the political cover. and if it was an illegal war and blair was a war, then he would have been indicted . the icc, the indicted. the icc, the international criminal court, of which we've heard about the last few days. so wasn't an illegal war. it was an immoral war? and the justification for it was immoral. but it's also reminding ourselves that two years after the start of this immoral war, blair was re—elected . and so blair was re—elected. and so people didn't really take enough cognisance of what was going on and re—elected. and two years later but with reduced it's later but with a reduced it's extraordinary isn't it when you think of it like that. the fact

that he said to president today at the time, i will be with you, it was like there was no cost benefit analysis of. this particular invasion or what the outcome would be for civilians or our own military to say, 179 of them lost their lives. do you think any have been learned? brigadier gibson with the passage of time i'm not sure they have. we had the chilcot inquiry, which of course produced millions and millions of words. but as the fundamental issue i think was the political military interface chip is described clearly how the blair bush relationship was happening but that impact i think on the military that it was some sort of liberation that it would be fine. we'd removed saddam hussein and. so i've said and of course that was hopelessly, hopelessly naive. one of the problems we did, we stripped out the was stripped out the the army was stripped out the police. then recruited the police. we then recruited the iraqi force in to join the iraqi force in order to join the iraqi force in order to join the iraqi force in basra, you need

the blue shirt, an ak 47. and six weeks later, you had a police station and out on the streets . and we grew. within streets. and we grew. within a matter , a few months, a police matter, a few months, a police force riddled with militia. when i was serving as the chief of police, there were assassination attempts against him from his own police officers. we were creating an absolute mess because we were naive militarily. we didn't understand the issues. we didn't the sunni—shia fault lines. the issues. we didn't the sunni—shia fault lines . we sunni—shia fault lines. we didn't understand that fundamentally , people wanted was fundamentally, people wanted was security . and we put a lot of security. and we put a lot of troops into kicking the door down the beginning , very few down the beginning, very few troops to then maintain that security and enhance that security and enhance that security to allow the other aspects of reconstruction to develop. yeah absolutely. it's a lot to talk about. we could reflect on it, but it is 20th today. since the invasion of iraq. so we appreciate your time, both of you. major general chapman gibson, chapman and paul gibson, brakkton paul gibson. and still chapman and paul gibson, brycome, paul gibson. and still chapman and paul gibson, brycome, boris gibson. and still chapman and paul gibson, brycome, boris johnson'sld still to come, boris johnson's official is official partygate defence is being released later. but will

the prime minister being released later. but will the that'rime minister being released later. but will the that grilling?ister being released later. but will the that grilling?isthink survive that grilling? i think he much of a grilling. he won't be much of a grilling. i it would be a light i think it would be a light roasting with those topics. roasting you with those topics. but that after but we'll get more on that after your news . give warning. your morning news. give warning. i'm tamsin roberts. here are your headlines at 1130 for china's xi jinping has in moscow for talks with vladimir putin. the trip comes just days after the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for russian president on charges of war crimes. president xi called for pragmatism on ukraine. president putin has welcomed is called china's willingness to play called china's willingness to play a constructive role in resolving the crisis but warned he'll reject any ultimatums . the he'll reject any ultimatums. the home secretary has spoken exclusively to gb news about the government's migration policy, insisting it's the right to solve the small boats crisis . solve the small boats crisis. this after suella braverman said , could be sent to rwanda by the summer. mr. bronfman yesterday

said she'd held constructive talks with the european court of human over possible reforms. talks with the european court of human over possible reforms . the human over possible reforms. the injunction that halted migrant flights to the country. approach in the united kingdom to stopping the boats is both some and robust. our illegal migrants and robust. our illegal migrants and bill will make clear that if you arrive in the uk illegally you arrive in the uk illegally you will be detained and you'll be swiftly removed. and at the same, it's humane and compassionate and people who are relocated to rwanda will receive a safe , secure. and i think a safe, secure. and i think those two elements robust with our legal processes in the uk combined with compassion is the way to solve this problem . way to solve this problem. london stock and the uk's oil and gas prices tumbled this morning despite a state backed rescue of the troubled bank. credit suisse, ubs agreed to buy its swiss rival in a deal worth more than two and a half billion

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views sarah vine my colleague from the daily mail bashir sheikh. anti—racist i'm still in shock that you like donald trump. i just had this assumption that you'd hate him . assumption that you'd hate him. there was a point where. no, i agree. that's yeah, yeah. honestly i just prefer him over biden . yeah, i don't pick joe. biden. yeah, i don't pick joe. people go . yeah, absolutely. we people go. yeah, absolutely. we can talk . we can talk about can talk. we can talk about bofis can talk. we can talk about boris now. how well, do you know boris? sarah oh, you very . boris? sarah oh, you very. that's middling. yeah i mean, i haven't seen him a lot in recent. yes. no i'm a bit in old in the olden days. yeah when you were married to my cook. yes well, now, do you like him , well, now, do you like him, bofis well, now, do you like him, boris ? he's no better than he boris? he's no better than he ought be. that's my grandmother would say yes . do like ought be. that's my grandmother would say yes. do like him. he's fun. he's very , very intellect, fun. he's very, very intellect, really curious. but she's very naughty. that's the thing about bofis. naughty. that's the thing about boris . and would he be able to boris. and would he be able to cope with 4 hours? totally of it? i think that would be like. he'll be like spotlights on me. hello. yes, me again. and he's

he's completely upstaging rishi again. it's going to dominate the news all week. he's going to dominate the news week at least. what mean there what about him i mean there might be quite interesting this week because could a week because there could be a sort of standoff donald sort of standoff with donald trump. yeah the two great egos of political generation the two bombshells , i mean, one of them, bombshells, i mean, one of them, one of them. condit yeah, yeah but i mean, the two great political rising egos i'll base going to be centerstage in the this week is going to get himself but she's already been you know previewing with his people hopefully now that'll be quite exciting. of quite exciting. and then of course, showboating front course, boris showboating front of harriet harman. i do think harriet boris will be quite entertaining. yeah because she's a lawyer, course, but a clever lawyer, of course, but she's clear as a labour she's made clear as a labour mp that she thinks has misled the commons. she said that already how can she objective how can she be an objective chairman? i mean, it's definitely but we definitely a question, but if we focus boris johnson, boris focus on boris johnson, on boris johnson, he do johnson, he did. he do something? lockdown. something? this is lockdown. this issue. people are this is a huge issue. people are not people are not happy. not people are still not happy. they're talking about it. they're still talking about it.

and the fact that he's saying it's unlawful and is just it's unlawful and both is just nonsense me. but you, nonsense to me. but do you, bushra, issue i say bushra, my issue when i say don't care, it's not of course i don't care, it's not of course i don't carol, still think we are living the hangover lockdown. living in the hangover lockdown. is everything it it's is it is it everything it it's why our inflation budget, why our inflation of budget, mental or mental health crisis or education the that all education the nhs that all because of those policies but where i find my blood runs cold with this story that i don't think he should ever have had to obey the rules in the first place. the rules where given that his rules that the issue isn't exactly but isn't this a mass distraction ? the fact that mass distraction? the fact that we should be talking about the impacts of lockdowns on people rather what he did? totally. but party day it's part of that though. party is part of that because like you said he rules and all the public to and he told all the public to stick to those rules and he didn't do it himself. stick to those rules and he didn't do it himself . so this is didn't do it himself. so this is about unpacking all that really, isn't it? it's about we shouldn't that we shouldn't have had to begin with, had those rules to begin with, you and he felt like we you see. and if he felt like we shouldn't, why did he tell everyone all of them everyone this is all of them misled parliament and do misled parliament and did he do it well did he do it

it well and did he do it knowingly? is whether knowingly? this is about whether he wilfully, yes. misled parliament, not knew parliament, whether or not knew that was breaking the rules. that he was breaking the rules. so it's quite sort of. yeah so it's quite a sort of. yeah yeah. and he's to have yeah. and he's going to have civil whatsapp civil servants yeah. whatsapp saying were the right saying you were doing the right he's a lot of whatsapps. he's got a lot of whatsapps. whatsapp to becoming whatsapp seems to be becoming a big yeah, i'm giving all big thing. yeah, i'm giving all my yeah. a way they haven't my yeah. in a way they haven't got the in a sense that probably the telegraph have liked. so we've got very we've got he's also got very clever lawyer with him sitting next him by side. david panic next to him by side. david panic is cleverest men in is on the cleverest men in lawyers britain he's lawyers in britain and he's going advising voters and going to be advising voters and i heard my old sparring partner, kevin the davis kevin maguire, from the davis and outrageous that the and it's outrageous that the taxpayer his bill. why taxpayer is paying his bill. why wouldn't pay wouldn't the taxpayer pay boris's bill? this is a connection. called by connection. an inquiry called by parliament into . his as parliament into. his role as prime minister. think prime minister. don't think there's any question that that's i have yeah. taxpayer i mean, i have yeah. taxpayer funded driving around those quarrels don't like rules quarrels if don't like the rules that maybe should talk about that maybe you should talk about changing doing changing rules but not doing anything . do you think party gay anything. do you think party gay is issue . i anything. do you think party gay is issue. i think to be is an issue. i think to be honest, mean i'm sort of honest, i mean i'm sort of slightly with i you're right. i was very against the lockdowns .

was very against the lockdowns. i thought the rules were silly , i thought the rules were silly, thought a lot of them were draconian . i thought the way draconian. i thought the way that they were imposed was very draconian and insensitive. and, you know, this mean let's not forget that little 13 year old who was buried without power , who was buried without power, you know, awful and the man. so he couldn't come. and there was mother in the crematorium. awful things went on. and people things that went on. and people were really heavy handed. so i think broadly , if you're a rule think broadly, if you're a rule breaker, you can't maker, you can't a breaker. i think can't be a rule breaker. i think that's that's at heart that's well, that's at the heart of all this, is that if you don't make these sorts of rules, you've got to be really super careful. know, thought careful. you know, i thought perhaps it wasn't an issue in what believe or not, what i believe it or not, gilbert and sullivan production musical. gentlemen, it's fantastic it venue in east london was a gilbert of london and it was a gilbert of impractical written 130 years ago there was a joke there about party get it brought it brought the down and was laughing the house down and was laughing because partygate has become part our national i mean it's part of our national i mean it's almost become part of the dictionary now. everyone knows what partygate means, but the

rules themselves were the problem. yeah, but to draconian. i i had a friend whose i mean, i had a friend whose mother wasn't even mother and he wasn't even allowed to go and see her body. it's just it's just not. it was just horrible to. we're saying that the government should be held. this is bigger held. this is this is bigger story, this about the story, isn't this is about the government being held accountable rules that accountable for the rules that we shouldn't have had to begin with. well, let's see if with. yeah well, let's see if but there's a lots of but i mean, there's a lots of interesting of interesting there's a lot of interesting there's a lot of interesting discussion be had about rules were put about why those rules were put in and they felt they in place and why they felt they need to to. it's very need to to. be it's very complex. okay, let's complex. yeah. yeah okay, let's look harry. oh, god, look at prince harry. oh, god, we have to a charity . he, we have to with a charity. he, bushra, believe that boyhood should be fluid. it's aimed to destroy the phrase boys will be boys. what's the story about ? boys. what's the story about? you know, again, we're veering to the woke to the woke community rent boys . yes, boys community rent boys. yes, boys will be boys. you know is this is the way this is again about gender norms and we're trying to kind of merge of this together. you know, these conversations are too much and there's some

things we need. keep them as they are. why? why are we trying to change everything? what's into prince harry? oh, this is marriage. mean, he used to marriage. i mean, he used to really lie. i'm sorry. he was popular. been i've seen too popular. he's been i've seen too many american . i mean, the many american. i mean, the problem with this sort of thing is that it tends to have an off with the opposite effect. there is a problem with quite toxic masculinity. you think of andrew tate, like that floating tate, people like that floating around actually around world being actually awful the more awful. and i think the more people to sort of, you know, erratic kate's natural gender based behaviour, the more people kind of go to the extremes, you know, as me just thinks it's ridiculous. yeah, i mean you're all mums i mean my kids are. my children are. i mean children are quite sort of they try on a few different sort of hats when they're sort of six, seven, eight, and then they eight, nine and then they generally around teenage generally settle around teenage years. you don't to you years. i mean, you don't to you don't to impose anything don't need to impose anything them they your job as a them they just your job as a parent just just see i'm parent is to just just see i'm life until they feed them exact right you know tell them what

they should think about before i have my eldest , who's now 19, i have my eldest, who's now 19, i had this conversation my mum where i would say, you are not born in your gender, you become that very. germaine greer that gender very. germaine greer one is not born woman but one is not born a woman but becomes at that condition. then right. and then i a son and right. and then i had a son and everything a gun. yeah. everything was a gun. yeah. stick a yeah. and i was stick a gun. yeah. and i was like, i'm going muscular like, i'm not going to muscular denies him. i'm going to allow my son with cause whoever i mean literally from the age of about 20 months cause. well one day, sir admitted jacob's cream sir he admitted jacob's cream cracker into shape of gun cracker into the shape of a gun and to me. and and tried to shoot me. and i thought, give up like there is a primal yeah. really a drive it. and i fear that we are neglecting to consider that we are biologically different and that's okay and when you think about to harry be more well the thing is i think that for the issue about this is harry, who issue about this is harry, who is desperately for stuff, isn't he right? i mean, he's lost his way completely. yes i don't think he has sense of think he has any sense of purpose know, purpose anymore or you know, he's identity. he's talking identity. he doesn't identity doesn't have any identity anymore. he's rejected his

anymore. he's he's rejected his identity he was born with identity that he was born with complete leigh, born a prince. and he's totally of you know, he's sold his down the down he's he's sold his down the down the river and now what is he doing is floating around california wondering what do next? i mean, you know , i hope next? i mean, you know, i hope he lost so much that he he gets lost so much that he gets and can't make find his gets and can't make it find his way coronation . sarah way to the coronation. sarah well, that's to well, i think that's going to i think he's in general think he's lost in general really, really do fear that. he does have some levels of mental trauma that he's going through . trauma that he's going through. and see that with what and you can see that with what what saying, how he says it what he's saying, how he says it maybe being over maybe he's being over psychoanalyse oh he did a psycho analysis in public with that peculiar was he a canadian guy? yeah i mean that invading your own privacy he had a therapy session and you paid £15 to watch it. but i think there such a thing as too much navel gazing and sometimes you just have to accept trauma put it in accept your trauma put it in a box and get on with it. box and just get on with it. yeah, sorry. let's come to a piece that you did for the mail, which is being a mum today before the very goes the before the very concept goes the way dodo. yes, that was

way of the dodo. yes, that was my mother. was my chair. my mother. that was my chair. mother's piece for mother's day piece for yesterday. a good piece. it yesterday. it's a good piece. it was. well, i just i just think, you know, we have leader of you know, we have a leader of the can't tell us the opposition who can't tell us what a is, you know, what a woman is, you know, already the of identity , i already the sort of identity, i have in this whole have to say, in this whole gendenl have to say, in this whole gender, i have no problem with anybody however they anybody identifying however they want. why that has to want. but i see why that has to change way i we're going to change the way i we're going to have go just in there because have to go just in there because i'm going come speaking i'm going to come speaking at this reform press conference this reform uk press conference of a former of course, she was a former minister and we she's minister and we think she's joined reform that's right. joined reform uk. that's right. good morning. lovely to see you. thank joining us this to thank you for joining us this to make your announcement you've joined the reform party tell us why . well it isn't only i who've why. well it isn't only i who've joined the reform party this morning. it'll 711 of the former meps have joined reform party in my it's because i want to save the union northern ireland has been comprehensively betrayed. we have the awful theresa may deal with which boris then tinkered and now has tinkered

with the tinkering and has told us things which are completely unsustainable , such as, for unsustainable, such as, for example, he says northern ireland can eu law if it doesn't like it? no, it can't. if you actually look at all the hedging about and qualification of what is called the stormont brake, it can't do such thing. and i do believe in the union and leaving ireland in the eu while the rest us come out was not what was promised. now witness some of your former colleagues , david your former colleagues, david davis, who is the brexit secretary liam fox, a former defence secretary , both say defence secretary, both say they're very passionate brexiteers. they signed up to this windsor framework, they say she's done a good deal. this windsor framework, they say she's done a good deal . are they she's done a good deal. are they wrong then ? they're wrong . i wrong then? they're wrong. i don't deny that he's loosened handcuffs a bit, but the handcuffs a bit, but the handcuffs are still on and what worries is, i think there are quite a large number of tory mps who are now putting party the union. they can see a general election coming down the tracks

they don't want splits and divisions at this stage and therefore they are hoping that therefore they are hoping that the problems will go away. they won't the time will come when northern will decide it cannot serve two masters and will have to decide between the eu and the uk and yet it is supposed to be part of the uk and. the conservative manifesto promised in terms promises what its words the uk will leave the european union as uk not leave a part of it behind now? and i think am i in saying that you what you don't intend to stand as a candidate for reform in the next election, but you're going to be an adviser. can you give us the names of anybody else who is going to be standing as an mp that some of our viewers might be familiar with that that will be familiar with that that will be on my end course. there's no way we're going to make announcements piecemeal that will be announced in due course . i wouldn't describe myself as an adviser either. i would

describe myself an extremely active supporter and i shall be spending an awful lot of my time trying to promote reform between and the next general election and the next general election and is difficult for you because you were a tory party member, you were a tory party member, you were a tory party member, you were a tory an mp for many years. you then went to the brexit party, you left the brexit party, you left the brexit party, you left the brexit party no more. you're joining the reform uk. this reform uk could spike tories guns at the next general election . are you not concerned election. are you not concerned about that? because some your former colleagues . will look, former colleagues. will look, they're not conservatives anymore. the current party is neither conservative nor unionist . and i am both unionist. and i am both a conservative and the unionist. and i see no future at all in current party i've given it the benefit of the doubt. i didn't join reform when it was set up. i've literally joined reform in the last few days because i want to save the union and rishi sunak completely mis selling of what it agreed, which was

another surrender treaty has cemented that intention. and it's funny, we always about the union we think about scotland threat to scotland withers but actually you're worrying it's northern ireland could see the end of the union. oh absolutely. i mean scotland's already had a referendum. scotland's already said it wants to stay part of the union. i don't see much appetite for any immediate change there, but there is a real problem in northern ireland because we, the uk have left from effectively in the eu, we be mad well and always tells it as is what next for the reform ? as is what next for the reform? are they going to put candidates up in in every seat at the general election , in every general election, in every single every single last time the brexit stood down, candidates because the conservatives were promising to get brexit done, they have acted on that promise and far as we're concerned, we're not going to be bought a second time and we will

be standing in every single seat . it is a challenge as well for party to cut through on other issues, not brexit and national sovereignty . indeed, issues, not brexit and national sovereignty. indeed, i mean the party has policies and have policies on a whole range of issues from to health to taxes . issues from to health to taxes. and when we say reform, we're not just talking about brexit. we're not talking about northern ireland. that is my main motivation . we are talking also motivation. we are talking also about waiting lists, about the boats coming over. we are talking about a whole range of matters. no, it won't just be about brexit, of course it won't. no political party can stand on one issue alone . that's stand on one issue alone. that's the redoubtable ann widdecombe. thanks so much joining us. that sound way to come, sarah . she sound way to come, sarah. she does. she tells it as it is, doesn't she i love the way she is rather i but who's who's bankrolling the form richard

tice i think it's high very rich man, very wealthy man . yeah, but man, very wealthy man. yeah, but they going to put candidate in they going to put a candidate in every that's a lot of every seat. that's a lot of sound and that's what is it, £5,000 a time and a lot of them will lose their deposit. yeah. and are going mess the and they are going mess the tories up. they will understand in they'll get in the red because, they'll get the seats and all of the red wall seats and all of that sort stuff so they'll, they'll basically usher in laboun they'll basically usher in labour. if she labour. i don't know if she doesn't realise that. doesn't seem to realise that. i mean maybe she does, maybe she just too. that's what just find it too. that's what will and richard tice is will happen. and richard tice is going hartlepool going to stand in hartlepool i think. i mean that's think. yeah but i mean that's what will do. yeah. just a what it will do. yeah. just a new party like that. but she'll have any chance whatsoever in our elections system? our current elections system? i think so. i there's huge space think so. i there's a huge space right people are right now. i think people are really where really confused about where they're me know, they're going, even me you know, when it, i'm like, when i think about it, i'm like, okay, i'm not sure where i quite stand right now? so i definitely think there's a chance. why not? yeah, and of course, no, we're running we were running out of time. we were just tell you about the just going to tell you about the poll, think. do we know what poll, i think. do we know what was said on said she took was said on the said she took true under we a twitter true under no we have a twitter poll we were going to there it

is we were asking you given that we exclusive we should have this exclusive interview today with 12 brave men now men in rwanda, we said, now you've pictures the you've seen pictures of the country, 56.3% think it's going to work, 57% it's going to to work, 57% think it's going to going right. we going up all the time. right. we come end the show. thanks come to the end the show. thanks so much to bushra schaake and sara vine for joining. hopefully you'll come back again another day come in day later with anwar to come in full absolutely full flow. yeah, absolutely right . mark longhurst is coming right. mark longhurst is coming up . we will see you tomorrow up. we will see you tomorrow morning at, 930. you have a great day. thank .

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