and this is dewbs & c0 condemned and this is dewbs& c0 condemned public's and this is dewbs& co condemned public's loss of faith in the police . rotten mess met has lost police. rotten mess met has lost pubuc police. rotten mess met has lost public faith. racist. misogynistic homer phobic. the dumbing verdict on met police. it is racist, sexist and cracker. and that's the headunes cracker. and that's the headlines today. those are the headunes headlines today. those are the headlines today. those are the headlines today. those are the headlines today . questions. headlines today. questions. number one, are you a serving or former police officer .7 how do former police officer? how do you feel when you hear those headlines? are they fair or just all comply , unfounded and all comply, unfounded and different to your experience?

are you a user of the police? do you sit there and say, yes, these findings are long overdue ? what do we do about it all? is it time for fundamental reform of the police? and if so , what of the police? and if so, what would that look like? and cast your mind back, if you will, a couple of years. do you remember the awful, cruel policies where people were in care homes , some people were in care homes, some of them in their dying days , of them in their dying days, denied a single, solitary visitor forced to touch hands with their loved ones throughout glass windows. i speak, of course , of the covid pandemic. course, of the covid pandemic. some care homes still restricting visitors to this day. inhumane if you ask me. and now there are calls for a law to be created to make sure it would never happen again and to inspire rights of any circumstances . do you agree with circumstances. do you agree with that or not? and baroness claire fox, she has been no platformed . she was supposed to be speaking at universal and is now not. why because she had the audacity . ladies not. why because she had the audacity. ladies and not. why because she had the

audacity . ladies and gentlemen, audacity. ladies and gentlemen, get this trigger warning . oh, get this trigger warning. oh, she retweeted a joke about a trans person. goodness gracious me. what is wrong with the next generation? why are they so offended by opinions that they do not like free speech? on one hand, for . what about the hand, for. what about the freedom to choose who you do and don't listen to on the other? and lastly, be sitting at home. you can smell something strange. it'll be these fluffy . i'm going it'll be these fluffy. i'm going to try and get them both on. if i lose my foot and forgive me. down's syndrome awareness day today. also marks to celebrate you guys and all of your differences. you are different, but the same and we salute you anyway. i will have all of that to come and more. i'm going to put some deep on my back. polly middlehurst is going to bring us the latest news headlines while i do . michelle, thank you and i do. michelle, thank you and good evening to you . the top good evening to you. the top story on gb news today. well, as you've been hearing a report into britain's largest police

force has been described by the home secretary as very concerning . baroness louise concerning. baroness louise casey, who led the review, found the met police to be institutionally racist , institutionally racist, misogynist and homophobe beck. she said victims have been let down and officers who've abused their power have shattered pubuc their power have shattered public trust. the report also found the met's current ethics standards and disciplinary procedures have failed abysmally , and she's calling for a complete overhaul of the service. suella braverman says she has every faith . the she has every faith. the commissioner similar role will be a catalyst for change and has vowed to hold officers and the mayor of london to account . mayor of london to account. there have been growing concerns around the performance of the metropolitan police and its ability to command the confidence and trust of londoners . this follows a series londoners. this follows a series of abhorrent cases of officers who betrayed the public's trust and hideously abused their powers . today's report

powers. today's report commissioned by sunak's predecessor, makes for very concerning reading . it's clear concerning reading. it's clear that there have been serious failures of culture, leadership and standards as well in responding , the labour leader, responding, the labour leader, sir keir starmer, said while the report was about the met police , it affects every force in the country. there will be police forces outside of london who might shrug their shoulders and say this is an office , but i've say this is an office, but i've worked in criminal justice for decades and i say to them, wake up.the decades and i say to them, wake up. the findings in the case report are a warning for every police force . confidence must be police force. confidence must be restored. policing by consent depends on trust . and when that depends on trust. and when that breaks down, policing becomes harder and crime thrives . well, harder and crime thrives. well, the deputy leader of lambeth council in london and director of the charity black friday, dr. jackie dyer, says discriminate

abortion is rampant. the mistrust is in every atom of every black body. in this city. we are traumatised by the harm thatis we are traumatised by the harm that is being conducted rampantly and will endlessly by policing , which is so policing, which is so unaccountable. it's like the wild wild west out there . you wild wild west out there. you can do anything you like and it's okay. well it's not okay . it's okay. well it's not okay. bofis it's okay. well it's not okay. boris johnson has accepted he misled parliament over partygate, but he maintains it wasn't intentional or reckless. submitting his 52 page defence dossier to the privileges committee today, the former prime minister admitted gatherings at downing street dunng gatherings at downing street during lockdown should never have happened. he also says statements in the house of commons were made in good faith. he's due to give more evidence in person before mps tomorrow .

in person before mps tomorrow. counter—terrorism police are investigating an attack outside a mosque in birmingham . and a a mosque in birmingham. and a warning we're about to show video of the moment a man was set alight, which some viewers may find distressing. cctv footage shows the victim who was walking home being approached yesterday before he was sprayed with an unknown substance. west midlands police says he suffered serious injuries, including burns to his face, but they're not thought to be life threatening. a man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and a man has been charged for sending an inappropriate message to labour's deputy leader . angela labour's deputy leader. angela rayner received an email, said to have been grossly offensive and indecent in may last year. 66 year old david perry has been charged under the communications act . he'll appear before act. he'll appear before westminster magistrates court next month . now a group of next month. now a group of eurosceptic conservative mps have described parts of the prime minister's new brexit deal with the eu as practically

useless. the european research group commissioned lawyers to scrutinise the windsor framework ahead of tomorrow's vote on the stormont brake elements of the proposal. a spokesperson for rishi sunak said it is a good deal and is urging lawmakers to back it. but the euro group's chair, mark force, was says issues still need to be addressed . eu law will still be addressed. eu law will still be supreme in northern ireland. the rights of its people under the 1800 active union are not restored . the green line is not restored. the green line is not really a green line . actual the really a green line. actual the stormont brake is practise strictly useless and the framework itself has no exit other than through a highly complex legal process . you up to complex legal process. you up to date on tv, online dab plus radio and on the tune in app here with gb news the people's channel. back now to michelle.

i'll see you in an hour. thanks for that part of it. i'm michelle drew. we're keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got toby young, who's the director of free speech union, and james schneider, the co—founder of momentum a former adviser to momentum and a former adviser to jeremy corbyn. good evening to both of you guys. lots of people getting in touch already. there's a little bit of confusion by people that have just tuned in. suze just said, michelle, what on earth are you wearing under that desk ? is that wearing under that desk? is that usual? i always assumed that you as well turned out from top to toe. i am well turned out. so i was just showing my old socks and the reason i was getting them up on the desk was just to show them off because i am marking well down syndrome day to day and there's a campaign about odd socks. that's what i

was doing. lots of gentlemen writing in about my feet, calm yourself down. they are just feet. we all have them . john has feet. we all have them. john has beenin feet. we all have them. john has been in touch saying , please, been in touch saying, please, please, please before you start the show, can you pass the message on to toby from me ? can message on to toby from me? can you ask him to sit on his hands whilst he's talking? some worries that he says . is he worries that he says. is he trying to hypnotise us when he speaks because he talks with his hands ? it's true. i can't help hands? it's true. i can't help it . i sit on my hands, hands? it's true. i can't help it. i sit on my hands, i mumble and stumble and stammer. do you 7 and stumble and stammer. do you ? yeah. well, you don't want mumbling and stumbling and stammering, you ? so there you stammering, do you? so there you go. you'll have just put up go. you'll have to just put up with a mild hypnosis, if you don't mind. lots of you getting in touch as well about the stories tonight , please. the stories tonight, please. the police in general, that smile be coming on to in just a second. lots of you , former police lots of you, former police officers , it seems lots of you officers, it seems lots of you getting in touch about the report that i've just been showing is front page of the newspapers today, the so—called casey report , sylvia and bill

casey report, sylvia and bill have been in touch. say, for goodness sake, michelle, how can you shut up talking about covid? you are like a dog with a bird. they are referring to one of the topics are becoming on to tonight, asking you whether or not you think there should be a law that would mean that never again anyone a care again would anyone in a care home subject to those home be subject to those inhumane, practises of inhumane, cruel practises of denying them a single, solitary visitor . so no, i cannot shut up visitor. so no, i cannot shut up about it. unfortunately it's such an important topic at the has the potential to affect us all and our loved ones get in touch tonight. join the conversation gb views and gbnews.uk. email me or you can tweet me at gb news. let's get into that top story about the police then. shall we report as found and i quote , institutional found and i quote, institutional racism , misogyny and homophobia racism, misogyny and homophobia within the metropolitan police . within the metropolitan police. you may recall this was the case. a report that was set up after the horrific murder of sarah everard . well, it's now sarah everard. well, it's now concluded . we have the findings. concluded. we have the findings. it's dividing you guys at home.

it's dividing you guys at home. i can tell you now. one of the comments that i've got from one of my view is this saying we hear these words all the time, everything is racist, misogynistic, homophobic. one of my view is to say that those words are losing their impact upon if you to will, upon the home, if you to will, be your thoughts today, because these are pretty headlines and conclusions, right? yeah my impression is that the casey report is misdiagnosing the problem . the problem is that the problem. the problem is that the pubuc problem. the problem is that the public are losing confidence in the police . and the reason for the police. and the reason for thatis the police. and the reason for that is not because there is this perception amongst the general public at large that the police are racist. ms. gymnastic and homophobic . the problem is and homophobic. the problem is that the police just aren't doing their job of protecting us from criminals, or at least not doing it well enough. i looked at the rate at which burglaries are sold so 5% across england and wales, 5% of burglaries were solved last year, down from 9.4% in 2015. and in london it's even

worse. only 3, 3.8% of burglaries solved in london. why are the police not doing a better job of solving crimes like burglaries ? i think in part like burglaries? i think in part it's because they're too busy policing our tweets and not policing our tweets and not policing our tweets and not policing our streets. why? because they're just deluged with all this diversity training. they're taught that they need to protect the feelings of these disadvantaged identity groups. groups like stonewall gendered intelligence, mermaids bombarding them with this highly partisan , this highly partisan, politicised training. and they think that their job is to go out and record two instances of politically incorrect speech and behaviour on twitter and facebook. and if you call up and you say, i've been burgled or my car's been broken into, or my child just got mugged at knifepoint, your best get a crime reference number. that's the issue. the problem . the issue. that's the problem. and just a distraction, and this is just a distraction, i from the real issue. so i think, from the real issue. so i think, from the real issue. so i come online. i could come back online. but before james, your before i do, james, your thoughts? yeah, it's clear that there's of with the there's a loss of trust with the police a lot of reasons. police for a lot of reasons. some of which toby said there's

crime rates have been going up, but specific but also there are specific communities that have lost trust with the police and the metropolitan police because of racism. disproportionate racism. the disproportionate stop and search of black people. we've had the macpherson report was over 20 years ago found that the map was institutionally racist . and we've you know, racist. and we've you know, cases had this big report and has found the same thing again. so but i think we should rather than over , you know, who than arguing over, you know, who is lobbying the police more and this idea that they're spending too much time on tweets or whatever we should look at, take this as an opportunity that if the met is going to be fundamentally overhauled in a similar way to the royal ulster constabulary , was overhauled to constabulary, was overhauled to become the northern ireland police force. then we have a chance to remake policing in a way that would actually serve the needs of people in london and that would restore trust. so then you start looking at things that people want, which is community policing. they want to have of community have some kind of community oversight the policing that oversight of the policing that is also the

is done. and also the integrating of not just seeing police as and crime as totally separate from other social issues being integrated into expanding youth centre provision and mental health support, looking at colleges for kids , looking at colleges for kids, this is i think we should take this is i think we should take this an opportunity. let us start from scratch . if we were start from scratch. if we were starting from scratch, how would we construct a system that serves everybody in london far better? and i think let's start doing that now again. and just to pick up on that point, i would say actually some of these problems are not just specific to the met. i mean, there's other police forces in the uk that are, for example, special measures . so that are, for example, special measures. so very that are, for example, special measures . so very keen, measures. so i'm very keen, i don't just make this a specific london issue, getting in touch with me about your local police force as well, and tell your force as well, and tell me your thoughts. you see this thoughts. how do you see this then an opportunity then as an opportunity to basically up and basically rip it all up and start again ? well, no, i see it start again? well, no, i see it as an opportunity to get the police to focus on their core mission, which be mission, which should be protecting from crime protecting the public from crime . i don't think that making the

police responsible for providing youth services to young people, to doing engaging in social work. i mean , if they can't get work. i mean, if they can't get the basics right, if they can't i'm not suggesting the police to do that. i'm not suggesting the police should do social work. but if looking at policing but if we're looking at policing and you have cut youth centres, i'm not saying the police should be running centres, but be running youth centres, but you at these things you can't look at these things in have cut in isolation. if you have cut youth centres , if you have cut youth centres, if you have cut mental health support, that's likely be driving more crime likely to be driving more crime . have an opportunity. i . so we have an opportunity. i think, a step back and think, to take a step back and look a bit more holistically and see what are the drivers of crime . why are we seeing crime? crime. why are we seeing crime? where are we? where are we not seeing policing in streets? seeing policing in the streets? and are seeing a big and where are you seeing a big disconnect? because there are communities that see a really big between them and big disconnect between them and the and you can't have the police and you can't have policing consent if people policing by consent if people don't the police. so don't trust the police. so there's a problem under there's a problem of under policing, spoke about, policing, which you spoke about, there's of there's a problem of overpolicing well. and overpolicing as well. and i think a think this is a great opportunity to take a step opportunity to just take a step back say, if we were

back and say, if we were starting from scratch, what would we do? and then trying to put forward. but put those things forward. but i think one of the reasons the pubuc think one of the reasons the public are losing confidence in the because more and the police is because more and more frequently the police are turning outside people's turning up outside people's homes, sometimes in force, threatening people with arrest for doing like for doing things like misgendering person on misgendering a trans person on twitter or using politically incorrect language that policing thought crimes rather than actual crimes . thought crimes rather than actual crimes. i mean, maybe thought crimes rather than actual crimes . i mean, maybe not actual crimes. i mean, maybe not at the scale , but people at the scale, but people imagine, but we don't see how much that actually happens. well, we looked into this at the free speech union, and we think something 250,000 plus non something like 250,000 plus non crime hate incidents have been recorded since 2014 in england and wales alone, that's an average of about 65 a day. if the police are spending so much time investigating, recording non crime hate incidents, which are by definition not crimes , are by definition not crimes, usually some instance of politically incorrect behaviour that some community group or local activists has complained about. what percentage% is that of the total number of cases

they're dealing with? i'm just trying know you you hate to a million. it's far too many. i think you'd agree. well, we don't know what the reasons the police are spending so much time on policing people's thoughts is because of the training they received. the free speech union carried out some research a couple of weeks ago. we just published the report this week. it written about in the it was written about in the times yesterday. we asked all 41 police england and police services in england and wales what training give wales what training you give them forces about them to your police forces about them to your police forces about the protections in place the legal protections in place for the answer for free speech and the answer was 78% of those who responded said providing said they were either providing no training at absolutely no training at all or absolutely an absolutely negligible amount. one line on article ten of the european convention on human rights training. by rights diversity training. by contrast , they were receiving in contrast, they were receiving in voluminous amounts, and that's why they're getting that priorities it comes priorities wrong when it comes to protecting or to protecting free speech or protecting people's feelings. and if they spent a little less time that and a little more time on that and a little more time on that and a little more time on that and a little more time on solving things like burglaries, knife, crime, auto theft, think the public theft, i think the public confidence i confidence which saw i think

parts reason why burglar parts of the reason why burglar fings parts of the reason why burglar rings, auto theft, etc. aren't being dealt with so much as we've had 13 years of cuts to police forces. the numbers are lower, the budgets are lower . i lower, the budgets are lower. i think that's almost certainly a much larger cause of allocation of resources than some cases . of resources than some cases. you're saying or you think that the training they're getting is mis ordered. i think that's clearly the thing that we should be looking at is this funding and then you're talking about knife crime. that then goes back to the point that we also have to look at broader things of to look at the broader things of cuts to services, health, cuts to services, mental health, the broader set of things, which creates reasonable communities that people want to live in and feel safe. and safety isn't only about the about crime that could be committed to. it's there's a there's a perception of it and there's a perception of it and there's a perception of it and there's a sense of community. and i think those things are where should starting. where we should be starting. that's should be looking where we should be starting. thwhen should be looking where we should be starting. thwhen where, should be looking where we should be starting. thwhen where, reimagining»oking where we should be starting. thwhen where, reimagining what at when where, reimagining what we should do with and how we should overhaul this institution, been so

institution, which has been so hugely criticised and people have lost trust with rather than the questions of what training they get on diversity . although they get on diversity. although that might, you know, there might there might be might be there might be questions there. don't know. questions there. i don't know. but would think they're but i would think that they're probably marginal probably more marginal than the other you've other things. this whole you've sent to, because i do hear this a lot about all we've closed down. play in the tories, down. let's play in the tories, the down on centres the closing down on you centres and that causes crime. they don't really wash with me because i think it's a very lame excuse if a teenager you excuse if a teenager says, you know gone and know what, i've just gone and stopped kid or just took stopped that kid or just took that granny because i couldn't go a pinball and have go and play a pinball and i have a bag crisps and my local a bag of crisps and my local youth centre, i that's an youth centre, i think that's an excuse poor behaviour. it's excuse for poor behaviour. it's not, don't not, it's not because i don't think someone goes and think if someone goes and attacks granny or stamps attacks her granny or stamps someone should able to someone they should be able to say not my fault because say well not my fault because the was closed. of the youth centre was closed. of course not. but if we're looking at what drives crime, what is more likely to criminal more likely to create criminal behaviours the, behaviours, then clearly the, the, the conditions that you're, that you're in they the quality of the school or the services that you have in your community

have on crime have big impacts on crime outcomes. so if what we're interested in is how can we have the lowest levels of crime in our communities, we should be looking quite seriously at the things which are driving crime. that doesn't say that then, because we're looking at these things, if someone stabbed someone, it's not that not someone, it's not that it's not their fault. of course is. their fault. of course it is. they someone. but there they stabbed someone. but there there could there are things which could make likely to have make that less likely to have happened. yeah, i think there's so on these days. so much going on these days. when i was teenager, just when i was a teenager, i just don't the groups of don't remember the groups of people around people wandering around with zombie their pants. people wandering around with zom i e their pants. people wandering around with zom i blame, their pants. people wandering around with zom i blame, for their pants. people wandering around with zom i blame, for example tls. people wandering around with zom i blame, for example , s. people wandering around with zom i blame, for example , things and i blame, for example, things like media. so i and like social media. so i and i think you'd be opposed to this, i would look at banning things like tick tock because i think you're glomming rising and a lot of kind of drill music does the same. you'll glamorising same. i think you'll glamorising the gangster thug life look the gangster thug life like look at with my vast array of at me with my vast array of zombie knives. then people want to because it's to emulate it because it's almost to be or almost made to be cool or something. well, i think i completely with you. completely disagree with you. i think is a case for think there is a case for limiting children's access to

social media. maybe they should have to be at least 14 before they can download tiktok and then in limited amounts. i then only in limited amounts. i mean isn't it, that mean it's ironic, isn't it, that in which has invented in china which has invented tiktok chinese teenagers are only allowed to spend at most one hour a day on the social media app, which tells you something about what the chinese government the government think about the harmful impacts of social media apps tik toe. but i really apps like tik toe. but i really do think that this is a missed opportunity . there may well be opportunity. there may well be societal reasons as to why crime is increasing , but this is a is increasing, but this is a report about the police and what the police are getting wrong. and it seems to me that what they're getting wrong is they're not focusing they're not pouring enough and effort enough resources and effort into actually crimes that actually solving the crimes that are making people this city's are making people in this city's life. well, i mean, lot of the life. well, i mean, a lot of the mistakes that are in report mistakes that are in the report are things like not holding onto evidence in in rape cases. they are they put they put the lunchboxes , put the lunchbox in lunchboxes, put the lunchbox in the right . you know, that that's the right. you know, that that's not because someone's been on one too many diversity away days

or being taught how to carry that cup of tea properly or whatever it might be. likewise, the racist, racist , racist, the racist, racist, racist, racist policing disproportionate stop , stop and search and so on. stop, stop and search and so on. that's again , not because that's again, not because someone is being on too many away days to well but it might well be that if they received a bit more training about how not to contaminate dna evidence and a bit less on how to be an anti—racist or a good ally to lgbtq+ people to monitor that. so you think if people if people were spending less time having, for example, anti—racism training, they would somehow be less likely to do racist policing? i don't quite follow the logic you know, the logic is if they spent more time on training about getting the basics of forensic policing right and not contaminating things like dna samples, if they spent more time on that and less time on it, i that they might make fewer mistakes like this is a case that people have lost trust in. the police or is it that you've lost faith in their

ability to deliver outcomes? are they one the same thing or are they one the same thing or are they different to different things to you? thomas you have just taken some words off the top of my head that i was about top of my head that i was about to speak. you've written in, and he that guy in the he says that the guy in the green shirt is talking a lot of sense. he's talking about you . sense. he's talking about you. and then goes on to say, he and then he goes on to say, he says, one of the things that he sees an issue with at the moment, this is a point i was just about to make, is that degrees become sorry, degrees have become sorry, degrees have become sorry, degrees almost degrees have become almost an essential when essential requirement. now, when you're officers you're hiring police officers and i worry about this and i worry about it in nursing as well, but let's not dive out of the topic that you've got this kind of obsession now where, you know, if you want to be a police officer, you've got to have a degree. you've got to work towards a degree. why? why well, i actually agree with you. i think the idea that everyone has to particular types of to have particular types of credentials to do to do jobs is partly is because we've had a boom in higher education. and it isn't a lot of jobs that isn't

it isn't necessarily it is actually different types of training that are specific to those professions , which would those professions, which would be useful. i want to hear be more useful. i want to hear your thoughts today. do you trust police? do you have an trust the police? do you have an outcome mindset ? when you call outcome mindset? when you call the police, do you think to yourself, yes, stefanos, these guys are going to fix my issue. they're to catch this they're going to catch this criminal? or sit criminal? or do you just sit there think, actually, i be there and think, actually, i be bothered it because bothered to report it because they won't do anything? and i you observing officer, you observing police officer, what morale like? read what is your morale like? i read some of pages of the some of the front pages of the newspaper and that awful . newspaper today and that awful. and is not the first time and this is not the first time that come in for that you've come in for a kicking in day after day after day. you braver than me. i'll give due. you put your give you your due. you put your uniforms charge into uniforms on, you charge into dangen uniforms on, you charge into danger. often not, you danger. more often than not, you don't even probably know what's the of that piece danger. the end of that piece of danger. you've called to. you you've just been called to. you risk lives. family risk your lives. your family probably you probably don't rest until you get on the night. get home safely on the night. and you must look at that and think is the thanks that think that is the thanks that i get. does it make you wish that you different you chosen a different profession? does you profession? does it make you want your profession?

want to leave your profession? d say, michelle today walked say, as michelle today i walked up police officer in the up to a police officer in the city and i thanked them for their yes, we need to their service. yes, we need to make sure that is on the make sure that bop is on the beat , have make sure that bop is on the beat, have high and want beat, have high morals and want to keep coming to give me to keep coming to work. give me all thoughts, please. all your thoughts, please. vaiews@gbnews.uk when i come back, i'll be sharing some of the opinions of you guys at home. and i also want to ask you question man back. you don't need to cast it that far back, actually, because it's still going day. but going on to this day. but anyway, awful images anyway, those awful images of people life having people often end of life having to loved ones through to see their loved ones through panes of glass touching on the street often being forced street glass, often being forced to alone in care homes. to die alone in care homes. should there be a new law, which means that never again, who cares the circumstances? never again would anyone be left alone to die alone in a care homes. would you like to see that law or is that completely implausible ? your thoughts, implausible? your thoughts, please and i'll see you into .

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co we're with you till 7:00, alongside which are beyond the director of free speech union and james schneider, the co—founder of momentum. lots of you getting in. so jemmy i'm a serving police officer and i'm not surprised by this report. there are a lot of bullies in the police who tend to be high ranking, but they get away with it because are too scared it because people are too scared to it or because to report it or because they have too power. it's not an have too much power. it's not an organisation i want to be a part of. alan says. i work for the force for 12 years and there were good and bad officers there, just as are good there, just as there are good and people in life. jay and bad people in life. jay anotherjames has and bad people in life. jay another james has said, and bad people in life. jay anotherjames has said, i used to serve in the mets and i never witnessed anything that reflects this report. you say the report fails to you like a hatchet job and deeply unfair, phil says. i was a detective in the met police for 30 years and i can

honestly say that most people are hardworking and decent people. phil says in his mind, it's an opportunity for people who have an axe to grind against the police, to use this to slaughter the organisation, he says all of this is soul destroying for any police officers who are working the arts prisons. there you go. keep your thoughts coming in, but let's move on, shall we? can we all remember the situation in the pandemic? it still goes on. i would argue to this day . but i would argue to this day. but long short, i'm talking long story short, i'm talking about the people in care homes and hospitals was stopped and hospitals that was stopped from having contact with their loved ones during the period of the pandemic. loved ones during the period of the pandemic . while this calls the pandemic. while this calls now under the guise of glorious law, they're calling it were residents and patients would have their right to always have at least one care supporter who could visit them in all circumstances come what may, i think this is a great idea. i never want to see. i think it is very barbaric and cruel and inhumane in the policies that

were enforced on these people in lockdown. and i would argue still continues day. still continues to this day. i would support a law. would you, james? sympathetic to the james? i'm sympathetic to the sentiment of the people pushing for it, but i wouldn't support as lord, i think it would be bad law because you can't know what the medical conditions are going to be. so let's say we had something like ebola where it would touch is extremely, you know, it's extremely contagious. and then that person can give it to that person to give it to other people. i can see circumstances when even though it's absolutely horrific for a perfectly reasonable medical reasons, you can't say, well , reasons, you can't say, well, i'm very sympathetic to it. and i'm very sympathetic to it. and i think people not being able to see their loved ones being to say goodbye or to have somebody with them when they go is really you know, it's really horrific. but i think making a law which ties the hands, which basically says that there's no hypothetical medical example in the future, which we can't predict, i think that's basically bad law today. i think

if we have an ebola pending hmic protecting people in care homes from getting ebola , it will be from getting ebola, it will be the least of our problems. no, i'm whole heartedly behind this law. i think it's a great idea. it was absolutely inhumane to stop people visiting their loved ones , particularly when they ones, particularly when they were ill or dying in care homes dunng were ill or dying in care homes during the pandemic. there's no evidence that that actually protected people from getting covid 19 in care homes. after all, the staff were walking in out of care homes. if, you know, if anyone was bringing it in, they were bringing it in. and i think there's another reason why this is a really important measure which measure to which is i'm absolutely convinced there's absolutely convinced and there's quite of anecdotal quite a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest this is true, that one of the reasons for of deaths in for the high number of deaths in care homes during the pandemic, it wasn't just because older people were more vulnerable to covid 19. it people were more vulnerable to covid19. it was people were more vulnerable to covid 19. it was because of neglect in care homes of older people. many older people died of starvation first or of untreated other diseases. why?

because their loved ones weren't coming in to check on them regularly and make sure they weren't being neglected. so for all sorts of really good reasons, i think this is a really sensible law. yeah. and one of the reasons i would want to see it encased in law is because elsewhere seeing now with all of the so—called the lockdown files and all the rest of it, so many of these rules and policies and all the rest of it, they were based on, in some cases, not a lot really. they were based on, oh, i don't know. ihave were based on, oh, i don't know. i have an argument with nicola sturgeon. so yeah, let's mask all these kids and so much of the follow science the so—called follow the science wasn't it was wasn't science at all. it was radical. it was a science of ridiculousness , radical. it was a science of ridiculousness, anything. radical. it was a science of ridiculousness , anything. so ridiculousness, if anything. so i if you protected i would say if you protected people you had this law when people, you had this law when you were then considering your opfions you were then considering your options your manoeuvres, if options and your manoeuvres, if ever anything happened this ever anything happened like this again, would be mindful of. again, you would be mindful of. right? these right? well, we have these things in law. therefore, we have to follow them and all the rest of it. and i would say why as care home or a nurse,

as a care home or a nurse, i don't want go to say right, as a care home or a nurse, i don't want go to say right , this don't want go to say right, this person, you can't see your loved one to me that is complete overreach , state overreach . overreach, state overreach. well, so i think it depends on how infectious and how the thing is infectious. and of course, we found out more over the course of the pandemic. we thought it was a transferred from the touch and it was more contagious than it was at the beginning. and then we find that it's airborne and on. but i can see the and so on. but i can see the circum stance in which you'd say , these people are too vulnerable. no one from the outside can come in because it's not just a risk to the loved one that i'm visiting might be to other people's loved ones who are there. so while i say i'm i'm think i'm extremely sympathetic to the sentiment by the on the stand why you both support it. but i think it sounds like a recipe for bad law. i think it's good to say we should we should are on the side of not you know of stopping loneliness , of preventing people

loneliness, of preventing people from being completely isolated in these , you know, if we have in these, you know, if we have these terrible times, again, but to put it in a cast iron law, which then which then can't be responsive to what the situation is at the time, i think is the wrong response to that. one of my view is, paul, you just give me an internal smile because he says, michel, i'm in my eighties and i currently live at home. if iever and i currently live at home. if i ever have to go into a care home, then i want legislation to stop people visiting me . i have stop people visiting me. i have to say it didn't make me smile. paul another peter was said michel, and he puts it in capsule. so i know you mean business. you said, please , will business. you said, please, will you move on? you're like a stuck record. don't you guys mine as all the ones . this is relevant. all the ones. this is relevant. so do you guys mind what happened during the pandemic when you see video of people for example at funerals that weren't allowed to comfort their loved ones, when you see people saying goodbye to their loved ones on aniphone goodbye to their loved ones on an iphone screen next, don't you

mind now that you've had that actually so much of this was based on absolute don't you sit there and think to yourself we should never, ever, ever, ever again be in that particular i. it blows my mind that so many people don't seem to mind about this, but get in touch with me. give me your thoughts. would you support a law like this or are you of the camp? put you more of the camp? put shares, pack it in. michel shut up, move on. it's currently dividing you . i would say i want dividing you. i would say i want a petition to stop anyone treating people in care homes as i did during the lockdown. inhumane does not go far enough to describe this atrocity, says pat. john says, i wouldn't support a law because, as james says, we don't know what we would be dealing with when it comes to another pandemic. would be dealing with when it comes to another pandemic . we'll comes to another pandemic. we'll keep results coming in gbviews@gbnews.uk how you can reach me tonight. coming up after the break, i'll have a lot more of your thoughts. you're still getting in touch about that policing one as well. but i

want to talk to you about baroness clare fox. she's been on show. might remember on this show. you might remember her was supposed her anyway. she was supposed to be university now be speaking university and now they've her, right? they've stopped her, right? you've got her out on the show, a trigger warning. and then when i come back from the break, i'll tell she did, which tell you what she did, which made her get counsel from speech. easily speech. so if you're easily offended, know, just have a offended, you know, just have a lay you into .

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry keep me company till 7:00 tonight alongside toby young is the director of free speech union . i'm james schneider, union. i'm james schneider, co—founder of momentum and a former adviser to corbyn. how have you been getting on, sitting on your hands by the way? i don't think i've been succeeding. i may not been succeeding. i may not been succeeding. i may not been succeeding. i did tell him everybody, lots of you guys getting in touch. alison says i am a female. and i was a met officer for 16 years. the

report, the casey report that we was discussing at the start of the show she says it's taking isolate two incidents and making them the norm is not a true reflection of the force as a whole . so, alison, i think it's whole. so, alison, i think it's quite unfair. mark echoes what we just discussed earlier on, saying making nursing and policing academic is wrong . the policing academic is wrong. the forces are recruiting the wrong types of people and training them the wrong way . do you think them the wrong way. do you think that's fair of all? says michel. please, can your tech staff do something with ? the studio something with? the studio lighting because you've got shadows down your face and lines down your glasses. valerie i've got to be honest. the shadows probably age thing. and the probably an age thing. and the line probably just because line is probably just because i don't my glasses as as don't want my glasses as much as i'd like to blame someone i'd like to blame it on someone else, think i can. sorry else, i don't think i can. sorry about writes clare fox, about that, writes clare fox, baroness clare fox to give her her title . she was her correct title. she was supposed to be speaking at a university debating society today, but she's been asked not today, but she's been asked not to because i did issue a trick,

a warning. so you ready? everyone get this is what she did. oh surprise myself. she retweeted a joke. she did? it was a transgender drunk. apparently anyway, because of that , there was lots of people that, there was lots of people that, there was lots of people that complained and that's because of her so—called transphobic views. they didn't want to hear from clare any more, so her speech was no longer . now more, so her speech was no longer. now this starts more, so her speech was no longer . now this starts another longer. now this starts another debate, doesn't. it's about free speech. bias is consequences and choice to choose who you want to hear from. well do you come at this at toby? well, i know a bit about this case because it's a free speech case. so, baroness fox reached out to ask for help and we've been looking into what happened. and she was to give a speech, to give a speech at the royal holloway debating society . the student union got wind of this and they said it was a breach of their no platform for hate speech policy because she had retweeted a joke by ricky gervais and the student union. then browbeat, bullied , put the

then browbeat, bullied, put the debating society under enormous pressure, said it would be protests that the security costs would be astronomical and eventually they just decided they had no choice but to cancel it. and the irony is that the higher education freedom speech bill, which will make it slightly harder to no platform speakers at universities in england, is currently being debated today in the of lords and often the response of various lib dem and labour peers, even some conservative peers, even some conservative peers, is that there is no speech crisis in britain's universities . it's a figment of universities. it's a figment of the imagination of right wing culture warriors and daily telegraph columnists . and yet telegraph columnists. and yet claire fox was able to stand up in the house of lords today and say, hang on a second, it's not a figment of anyone's imagination. it happened to me two at royal holloway two weeks ago at royal holloway and for a completely ridiculous , spurious reason. so the timing of the case is good from that point of view, but it's absolutely absurd that this kind of thing is still happening all

the time. and be clear, everyone at this not isolated at home, this is not isolated incident claire by any incident about claire fox by any stretch , but that is the most stretch, but that is the most recent example of it. so hence i'm using that spin this too. i've got to say, james, when i hear this or so—and—so said this thing is just transphobic and do it in university, i just roll my eyes. it in university, i just roll my eyes . i just it in university, i just roll my eyes. i just think, oh, you're a bit pathetic, really. what do you think? so if i have been in the debating society or whatever, whatever, i wouldn't have i wouldn't have disinvited her. it's a bad joke. but, you know, i that's not a reason for me, i think, to disinvite. but the idea that there is this terrible assault on free speech, that her speech, free speech has been offended and that everyone has a right to speak on whatever platform want at point platform they want at any point is frankly, silly. is also, frankly, rather silly. i she's going to have more i mean, she's going to have more , profile to , you know, more profile to speak about what she wants because she has a position in the house of lords , anything she the house of lords, anything she says straight into hansard . says go straight into hansard. it's on the record. she can walk

into news studio most of the into any news studio most of the time say what wants . you time and say what she wants. you know, actual assault know, there's no actual assault on her views. it's not like what she said doesn't appear. i mean, it's she's quote, tweeting ricky gervais is who's got a bad and i think offensive . but again i think offensive. but again i don't think if you're offended necessarily that means that someone shouldn't be allowed to speak it just isn't you know, it just isn't. this crisis as is being presented i know i've been set up, you know, to be very cleverly set me up because he said, who doesn't agree with me, says there isn't a crisis and how silly, but there isn't a crisis. you don't a right crisis. you don't have a right to wherever you want. to speak wherever you want. personally, i wouldn't have disinvited her, but you know, i can. there we go. i can. but. but there we go. i mean, it stopped the decision of the people are holding the event. think you're missing event. i think you're missing the point here, i may be bold the point here, if i may be bold and going throw out to the point here, if i may be bold andviewersng throw out to the point here, if i may be bold andviewers and throw out to the point here, if i may be bold andviewers and i'm ow out to the point here, if i may be bold andviewers and i'm going: to the point here, if i may be bold andviewers and i'm going to» the viewers and i'm going to come you in a couple of come back to you in a couple of minutes, if i may. james let me ask you this. silence this ask you this. to silence this argument. side one is, yeah, free speech. everyone can say what want. do the of

what they want. do the side of this yeah, that's this argument is, yeah, that's fine. as of being fine. and as part of being a free you get to choose free society, you get to choose who hear from. is it as who you hear from. is it as simple that is there as i simple as that or is there as i fear this kind of undertow in this current of kind of suppression of a certain view ? suppression of a certain view? in this case, i have no city to laugh . a joke about a biological laugh. a joke about a biological woman , what that is and what woman, what that is and what that there is. and is there something a little bit more sinister at play here other than just, well, anyone can choose who they want to from? give who they want to hear from? give me thoughts when come who they want to hear from? give me i'llthoughts when come who they want to hear from? give me i'll hear|hts when come who they want to hear from? give me i'll hear from'hen come who they want to hear from? give me i'll hear from you. come who they want to hear from? give me i'll hear from you. and1e back. i'll hear from you. and also give james a chance to respond that. well, i'll see respond to that. well, i'll see you . there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help

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in two. hi. that i'm michelle dewberry cuban mitchell alongside me, toby young and james schneider. we were just talking about the free speech issue . claire fox,

free speech issue. claire fox, baroness claire fox, to be precise. she was invited to speak to a university. then she retweeted. she had the audacity to retweet a ricky gervais joke and then there was a little bit of, i would call it a mini campaign to get a council on council. she was, when it came to speaking, paul says, michelle, is the matter michelle, what is the matter with you? your channel, with you? you and your channel, you the courage to you don't have the courage to even the how you're even read the joke how you're supposed to be a free speech channel. and you don't channel. and i bet you don't even this email out. i've even read this email out. i've got no problem reading this joke. it was a 62nd so joke. it was a 62nd clip, so i've honest, i don't i've got to be honest, i don't have for all can google have time for all you can google it, the clip, the part that it, but the clip, the part that they got offended our eyes were ricky gervais was joking about a woman the old fashioned woman he said the old fashioned women the with wounds . women are the ones with wounds. and reference the new and then he reference the new ones would be lately ones that would be seen lately with and a c—word . that with beards and a c—word. that i won't say because many of you are loving tea with the are loving your tea with the kids. when it all kids. so that was when it all kind of goes back to your saying before the break, james, that actually to actually people can be free to choose who they want to hear

from and who they don't to. from and who they don't want to. so therefore, pretty much where's and where's the problem? yeah, and i'm she had people would i'm she had spoken people would be free to protest which be free to free to protest which is know why if i were in is you know why if i were in this debating society , i this debating society, i wouldn't i wouldn't have pulled the plug. but if people wanted to protest it, fine . you don't to protest it, fine. you don't have a right to speak wherever you want. people can invite you, they invite you. listen to you, not listen to that. that's fine. it's not like her views are not being expressed by her and by many other people in a whole range of public forums. so it just doesn't feel like this is a type of speech, a thing that people can say that is somehow become unsayable . the public become unsayable. the public forum and people have newspaper columns where they say basically the same thing in almost all the newspapers in a i'm going to yield the guru of free yield to the guru of free speech, know, far more about speech, you know, far more about it me he wants is free it than me he wants is free speech. and the problem i've got with is this is not just a with this is this is not just a simple case of, hey, at me simple case of, hey, look at me exercising right to choose exercising my right to choose who talks to my who comes and talks to my students. is a coordinated

students. this is a coordinated age. say it's a bullying age. i would say it's a bullying action is to try and suppress a viewpoint , intimidate action is to try and suppress a viewpoint, intimidate a action is to try and suppress a viewpoint , intimidate a speaker, viewpoint, intimidate a speaker, and stop that person from coming. i think it's bullying. i think it's harassment . and i think it's harassment. and i think it's harassment. and i think people need to have the kahuna system look to it and say, pack it in. if you are offended by that, then guess what? don't come to that lecture or subject. move on. right. or that subject. move on. right. you have a to you speak, you have a right to protest as well. protest against things as well. like, if there's like, you know, if there's a speaker coming to speak that you think is racist or something else, you've got every right to stand outside . shame. i'm stand outside. shame. i'm whatever, that's all. so that should also be free speech. people should be allowed to say, i find this. i find this terrible . this shouldn't be this terrible. this shouldn't be this shouldn't be part of public debate. but it is. and how terrible saying that's a woman is a biological adult female. anyway go on. yeah, i wanted to come back on a couple things james said . you disputed that james said. you disputed that there is a free speech crisis in britain's universities. well, it was a really good survey carried

out by ucu, the largest out by the ucu, the largest academic trade union, very left wing trading , which found that wing trading, which found that 35% of british academics are self—censor , shrink for fear self—censor, shrink for fear that if they say what they think, they'll get into trouble. to suggests a free to my mind, that suggests a free speech in all speech crisis in all universities. you said there's no right to be platformed. well, maybe that's true, but that's not thing as saying not the same thing as saying people don't right not to people don't have a right not to be i think there's be no platformed i think there's a saying a difference between saying someone a right to speak someone has a right to speak their under any their mind under any circumstances, platform. circumstances, on any platform. clearly once clearly don't. but once someone's , i don't someone's been invited, i don't think fair then think it's fair to then disinvite them. say people disinvite them. you say people have to invite. a right have a right to invite. a right to disinvite? they have a to disinvite? yes. they have a right to invite. i'm not sure they have a right to disinvite. and that's not just the free speech to give. you speech you need to give. so you might also the equality might europea also the equality and you say and human rights you might say it a breach of the it might even be a breach of the law. you might think it's maybe it's them. no it's impolite to retracted invitation . do you retracted an invitation. do you want come round dinner want to come round for dinner next tuesday? oh, sorry. no, you can't come. do you want to come and toby young about and debate toby young about something university something at my university

student week , then? student union next week, then? no, sorry. you can't . that might no, sorry. you can't. that might be impolite, but hardly an abuse of someone's rights to say. oh, actually , no, you can't. you actually, no, you can't. you can't speak . you can't say this can't speak. you can't say this thing, which which you can say , thing, which which you can say, i think all over the place, which is in something that is in any way unsafe , liable because any way unsafe, liable because people are saying it the time. it isn't it is a breach of free speech. it's contrary to, i think, royal holloway university's free speech policy. it may well be contrary to the 1986 number two education act and article ten of the european convention on human rights. it is a breach of someone's free speech to invite them. and then when a group of student activists disinvite activists object to disinvite them. point, them. but one final point, michelle. you say celebs can still express this point of view. so what's the big deal? claire fox can say on any number of channels and platforms? but the issue is for people at royal holloway they've been holloway students, they've been sent very sent they've been sent a very clear can't say clear message you can't say this, unsayable. hate this, it's unsayable. it's hate speech. if you do, you'll speech. and if you do, you'll get into trouble. you'll be socially ostracised. i'll get into if i dare say.

into trouble if i dare say. that's all i've got time for. thank you so much. this conversation will run along on another . hello, craig another night. hello, i'm craig stow. your latest stow. and here is your latest forecast. metaverse ways we go forecast. metaverse ways we go for days is set to for the next few days is set to remain . all all of us will remain unset. all all of us will see further spells of rain see some further spells of rain and it often will be quite windy. the situation windy. so here's the situation as tuesday. a huge area as we end tuesday. a huge area of low pressure really dominating the atlantic. this area low pressure just area of low pressure just towards west of ireland will towards the west of ireland will then bring in another swell of wet weather across a wet and windy weather across a lot of the country as we go through course of the night. through the course of the night. so, you can see this area of rain gradually working way rain gradually working its way eastwards go into small eastwards as we go into small hours of wednesday morning. so quite heavy, especially across parts cumbria and into parts of cumbria and into scotland and by quite a strong wind. a yellow wind wind. we have got a yellow wind warning for scotland warning in force for scotland as we wednesday morning. so we go into wednesday morning. so expect little bit expect a little bit of disruption but note the disruption here. but note the temperatures to temperatures a mild night to come across at the country. the rain may well take its time to clear the very far south—east as we go through when you stay. but for a lot of wales into the midlands bright start

midlands actually a bright start to the day but further showers working their way in across england wales we go england and wales as we go into the for the afternoon. i'm ready for scotland northern scotland and northern ireland. i really blustery here. we really blustery day here. we have mixture of sunshine have a mixture of sunshine and is quite locked aways as well across western areas . just to across western areas. just to take of that, if you are take note of that, if you are living the coast into living near the coast into wednesday evening, really much of the muchness really furthest about the rain working their way in across the country again turning quite heavy at times, may well wake up a few people as we go into the small hours of thursday morning. but with the strength wind the strength of the wind and the cloud again, cloud and the rain, again, a fairly mild night come could stay in double figures across the first of the uk and the first half of the uk and into thursday another band of rain and works its way in across the country. but in between we will see some spells of sunshine . and where we do see the sunshine, it will still be feeling fairly mild with temperatures reaching the mid—teens across southern parts of then into friday and of the uk then into friday and saturday. really the same weather really for a lot of the

country. but as we end saturday, it does set to turn cota across the .

nonh tonight on average ahead of a big grilling tomorrow before a parliamentary committee will ask the question, do you believe bofis the question, do you believe boris when he says he did not mislead parliament? we'll have a look at the case report that says the met police is institute anti racist and homophobic . anti racist and homophobic. mick, is that right or is it simply a council of despair ? simply a council of despair? ambassador john simply a council of despair? ambassadorjohn bolton simply a council of despair? ambassador john bolton will join me . we will talk about the me. we will talk about the summit between china and russia which i think should be the biggest news story of the day. and joining me on talking biden's luther blissett, there was a sensation in england and watford