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johnson. there it was yesterday. he was in fighting form in parliament yesterday . what did parliament yesterday. what did you make of his performance for those meps about party game? do you believe him? do you care? yeah, it matter. rishi yeah, it does it matter. rishi sunak seen a scene of a backbench revolt by tory hard line opposed his brexit line as opposed to his brexit deal northern ireland. we deal with northern ireland. we were talking about this yesterday , of course, 22 yesterday, of course, 22 conservative rebels, including bofis conservative rebels, including boris johnson and liz truss, voted against the stormont brake regulation , will explain what regulation, will explain what that means . and it's three years that means. and it's three years to the day since boris locked us down. where were you when that happened? was it for you? a jfk moment. where were you ? and also moment. where were you? and also the us federal reserve? we speculated yesterday whether they would raise interest rates and they did by a quarter of a point, increasing the likelihood that the bank of england will do the same. today. move comes the same. today. the move comes amid a shock rise in inflation to 10.4. and we will bring you the official decision in the uk here as it happens . and what's

here as it happens. and what's your thoughts on all our talking points? so you know what to do. email us at gb views at gb news dot uk. we'll get stuck into all the top stories, but first the news with rhiannon jones . good news with rhiannon jones. good morning. it's 932. your top stories from the gb newsroom. the bank of england is widely expected to raise the interest base rate for the 11th time in a row later. economists are predicting a hike from 4 to 4 point to five percentage points. the bank faces a balancing act between reining in inflation and ensuring financial stability. it comes after a surprise in inflation to 10.4% last month. and the decision by the us federal reserve to raise its key rate overnight . sir keir rate overnight. sir keir starmer's promising to crack down on serious violent crime in england and wales. if labour win the next general election . it's

the next general election. it's after the conservatives accused them of being soft on crime . in them of being soft on crime. in a speech later, sir keir will pledge to halve levels of violence against women and girls within a decade . he'll also within a decade. he'll also announce his party's plan to raise confidence in the police following the report into the met's unrest . sunak paid more met's unrest. sunak paid more than £1 million in tax over the last three years. the prime minister's published his long awaited personal tax documents showing he paid £432,000 in tax in the last financial year. it follows the commitment he first made during his tory leadership campaign last summer. when asked if he could understand what it's like for people struggling to heat their homes. mr. sunak said he's on the people's side. ultimately, what people are interested in is what i'm going to do for them. and you talk about the cost of living, of course that's the number one priority that i've got that i'm grappling that's last grappling with. that's why last year we took a decision to tax

the windfall profits of energy companies with tax that at 75. and that money to and we're using that money to help energy bills. help pay people's energy bills. so over the course of this winter we're going winter and beyond, we're going to about £1,500 of to be paying about £1,500 of most people's energy bills. that's the type of support we're providing to help people and actually give people a sense that i on their side. i'm that i am on their side. i'm doing everything to help doing everything i can to help them . tv online dab+ radio and them. tv online dab+ radio and on tunein this is gb news. now it's back to beth and andrew . it's back to beth and andrew. very good morning. welcome to the point on news with me, bev turner and andrew pierce. now of course, we're watching it yesterday to watch the whole 3 hours. no well, boris johnson clashed with mps. he got this grilling , didn't he? clashed with mps. he got this grilling, didn't he? had to clashed with mps. he got this grilling , didn't he? had to face grilling, didn't he? had to face over allegations that he lied to parliament. the questioning came harriet harman, of course, the labour , chaired the labour mp, chaired the proceedings and on the same time the mp voted on rishi sunak's

wins framework. the brexit deal. it went through with a massive majority , despite three former majority, despite three former tory leaders voting against. so to discuss all of this. we're joined by lord edward lister, the former downing street chief of staff. between 2019 and 2021. good morning, lord lister . good morning, lord lister. broadly brush strokes . what did broadly brush strokes. what did you take from boris johnson's grilling yesterday? did you manage to endure the whole 3 hours? no, i didn't watch it all. i'm afraid i. i had other things to do as well, but i watched, i think quite a lot of it. and i was i was mightily impressed by his performance. i thought he came out fighting. i thought he came out fighting. i thought he came out fighting. i thought he gave a good explanation of what took place. and i thought whatever he i knew that was, you could argue, a fairly biased group of people. but i think there must have been enough doubt to create it by what the evidence he put forward and what he said. and i think he was very, very clear. he did not deliberately mislead parliament. and his take was you seem to be

suggesting the committee , but suggesting the committee, but the fact he took advice from his officials. why wouldn't he take his advice? he says, this official again and again official said again and again they weren't breaking the rules. that's kept making that's right. he kept on making that point and then they start having a go. why didn't you take legal advice and all the rest of it? i mean, i'm sorry. i mean how far do you go on these things? i thought he gave a very credible, reasonable explanation about what place in downing at a particularly difficult time. and i think it is worth just remembering it was a hard time. it was difficult. there were limited number of people in their offices and downing street, the world. what, 150 people in that building ? it's people in that building? it's a very small building. it's quite cramped at the best of times . cramped at the best of times. and it's an old building. so, you know, it's social distancing is never going to be easy in a place like that. shouldn't the point be the lordly sister i can

call you at any time for so long. and he couldn't. shouldn't the point be that boris, an intelligent man, should have known actually a leaving to known that actually a leaving to the uk where he made a speech , the uk where he made a speech, lots of boos. there wasn't . yes. lots of boos. there wasn't. yes. and think that he did. he did. he said two things on this. firstly that he didn't really appreciate that point at the time. and he should have he should have done later . and he should have done later. and he acknowledged that the apology was for that. but he also made the point about morale and keeping morale up at a difficult time when people were at work. i look yes, it was a mistake . he look yes, it was a mistake. he shouldn't have done it. and he said so and he apologised. it let me tell you what it was like for me. it was a bit like a mediaeval battle and the drummer boy is in the background to keep morale going. there's some point the boy his drum the drummer boy drops his drum stick and the sense to use an inquiry into why the drummer boy dropped as opposed dropped his drumstick as opposed to and the collateral

to the damage and the collateral disaster which has sprung from lockdowns . i mean, the lockdowns. i mean, the ludicrousness of it did you pass someone a pen? i felt like i was watching some sort of jonathan swift satire . it was like the swift satire. it was like the stuff of gulliver's travels. it was broken, like it was ridicule us. do you think people really want be dwelling on whether he he lied about breaking rules or whether we want a full inquiry into what the logic was behind them in the first place? we've already i think everybody acknowledges a difficult time. and yes , some things happened and yes, some things happened that shouldn't have happened and he's apologised for that . but he's apologised for that. but it's the whole building . just in it's the whole building. just in the office i was in, for example , and i had a desk opposite dominic cummings, so we were together and between us was a perspex screen . you know, i'm perspex screen. you know, i'm sure many of you, your viewers sit in offices where you've got two desks facing and we have a perspex screen between us. there's another couple of desks

a bit further, along with a perspex screen between we were doing our best to have social distancing as much as you can . i distancing as much as you can. i mean, if i turn round his door behind me so, you know, we're all very close together , so you all very close together, so you do your best. yes. there shouldn't have been those drinks parties . but shouldn't have been those drinks parties. but did people have a dnnk parties. but did people have a drink at their desk? probably, yes. i mean, you know , things yes. i mean, you know, things happen. you're there for months and months. and it's worth remembering people in downing street weren't off. they weren't working from home. they were all working from home. they were all working in the office very hard coming in very early in the morning because the drumbeat of that building, it's the same today as it was then. and it's as it has been for years . it's as it has been for years. it's a starting time around 8:00, because the drumbeat of the day demands that and you rarely leave before 8:00 in the evening. that is the working day and anybody who's worked there will tell you that's what it's like, kristie. day in, day out, i get that. and i know that

building well, not as well as you because you work that. but people say, yeah, doctors people say, yeah, but doctors and nurses were under huge pressure. they weren't having dnnks pressure. they weren't having drinks weren't drinks after work. they weren't having having having they weren't having a booze in study. i am booze fridge in the study. i am not defending that. and to be fair, he did. he didn't. he he apologised for that and i think that's what else do you do . i that's what else do you do. i think you do something. should he have apologised a bit earlier and that was a criticism they made. possibly, yes , possibly. made. possibly, yes, possibly. there was a bit of a timing issue there but that's all it is. if the thing is for me it's. well, he was still he was still sort of lying as of yesterday in terms of the science . so when he terms of the science. so when he was saying when this ludicrous nofion was saying when this ludicrous notion of whether you passed a pen to someone or did you hand a dnnk pen to someone or did you hand a drink to someone, and boris was saying, we were washing our hands. we knew they knew really quickly in may 2020 that covid wasn't sars—cov—2 . wasn't wasn't the sars—cov—2. he wasn't passed fomites on hand

passed on fomites on hand contact, and yet why wasn't he able to say that yesterday ? i able to say that yesterday? i picked that one up as well. i don't know why he didn't say that, because it was here. we all knew that. yeah. and that was i mean, this is the this is the legacy for me. it's the legacy of alastair campbell and tony blair. we often say that on this show, this is politics by worrying about what other people are going think, where are are going to think, where are your principles? where are your values? you stand up values? where do you stand up for yourself? and say, you for yourself? and you say, you may is wrong, but i'm may think this is wrong, but i'm going tell the truth. going to tell you the truth. where's gone? yes i take where's that gone? yes i take that point completely. and can i just take a bit further, if i may? please do this was a time, a difficult time when its first covid first started and the lockdowns commenced, there was conflicting advice coming in as to the cause of covid, the effects of covid, how covid was being transmitted . at one point being transmitted. at one point there was it was if you passed a pen to somebody, you could be passed covid. then it was established, wasn't it? there

was it was an evolving situation and now we've vaccines in this country. we got them before anybody else , things like that . anybody else, things like that. things like the rules of the gun were all being arranged, sorted out in in is room there were people meeting there almost continuously. two to work through all of these different things . yes you know we kept things. yes you know we kept social distancing . yes. nobody social distancing. yes. nobody sat next to somebody else. yes. you were always a couple of, you know, seats apart. yes. all the doors were open. you can't open the windows in that place. it doesn't work that way. but you could open the doors and they were open into the garden. yes. people even had meetings in the garden. seriously meeting in the cold because that was the right thing to do. so i think it is just ridiculous to keep on saying people were not observing the social distancing. they were

to the best of their ability this committee. this committee could finish his career if they a suspension of ten days or more. that's a by—election no more. that's a by—election no more. borisjohnson, more. that's a by—election no more. boris johnson, how would you react to that? i think that would be appalling. i really do think that would be appalling. i can why they have can understand why they have to wrap knuckles. get that. wrap his knuckles. i get that. i get that completely . but i think get that completely. but i think there's a world of difference between , you know, something between, you know, something minor and something very serious. i do not think this is so serious that you should destroy somebody's career and he has already resigned his property. that's pretty extreme by anybody's standard . and by anybody's standard. and that's the kind of thing do for something terrible. this isn't this is pretty minor in the overall scheme of things. yeah which i bring back to my mediaeval battle analogy, that's like sacking the drummer for dropping the drum stick rather than the mess which is created around the whole thing to go and discuss you, one last question . discuss you, one last question. bofis discuss you, one last question. boris joined the rebellion

against the windsor framework 22 mps. three was a mistake strategically wasn't hit by bofis strategically wasn't hit by boris was not a great brexit result and we got i think it was because i look it's not a great deal but it's a better deal than we had before. and don't forget, when you're dealing with northern ireland, you've got sort of civil war, one extreme or a trade war with europe at the other and wherever you strike it in between, you're in pretty good territory. this was pretty good territory. this was pretty good territory and i think this was you should view a biased side when. he got his own brexit deal. if recall. do you think he'd have accepted the windsor framework deal when he was minister ? i think he was prime minister? i think he would have done. but look, you know, europe is all missed know, europe is all about missed opportunities , by the opportunities by europe, by the way, if they agreed way, because if they had agreed this and by the way , this and this, by the way, something that was being asked for time ago, we wouldn't for a long time ago, we wouldn't have got into where we are today. that's still today. alright, that's still just a he was boris johnson's chief of staff. i have see chief of staff. i have to see with if you don't boris

with boris if you don't boris johnson's chief of staff, he'd still but still be prime minister. but that's conversation for that's a conversation for another time. lord lester, thanks so much. thank you. now, if were watching if you were watching us yesterday would seen yesterday, you would have seen us whether the us discussing whether the federal america was federal bank in america was going to raise interest rates. and so, what that mean and if so, what would that mean for us? well, liam halligan is here happened, here to tell us what happened, what in america, what's what happened in america, what's going well, the going to mean for us? well, the us reserve, the most us federal reserve, the most important bank in the important central bank in the world, did raise interest rates to they band , to roughly 5. they have a band, unlike us. so they raised interest rates even though they're inflation is only 6. our inflation, of course, is 10.4. it went up unexpectedly earlier this week, that february number. so the bank of england really is on the horns of a dilemma here, because on the one hand, inflation is going up. so you'd expect them to increase interest rates, too. but down on that inflation, on the other hand, there lots of market there are lots of market jitters. are worried there are lots of market jitters.banks are worried there are lots of market jitters.banks falling'orried there are lots of market jitters.banks falling over.i there are lots of market jitters.banks falling over. so you about banks falling over. so you want to keep interest rates where so you don't roil where they are so you don't roil financial markets even more. so i mean, i'm never going to be asked to be on the monetary

policy committee. that ship has sailed, but to independent minded might bit too much minded might be a bit too much economic i chose to be economic because i chose to be independent. easy. independent. but it's easy. isn't low the isn't the low point. the treasury of all these treasury appoints of all these they say what need to they so say what they need to say. they're going to put them up. i think will put them up. i think they will put them up. i think they will put them up. but i say to hard up. but i would say to hard pressed households who are worried making their worried about making their mortgage think mortgage payments, i do think that this will be the last interest rate rise. so i think interest rate rise. so i think interest rates will peak at 4.25. this will be the 11th interest rate rise in a row. they needn't have gone this high. they needn't have been raised quickly . the reason raised as quickly. the reason they gone so high and they they have gone so high and they have been raised so fast is because the bank england for because the bank of england for months months and months was months and months and months was asleep job and kept asleep on the job and kept dismissing , saying fears of dismissing, saying fears of inflation raised by renegades like as nonsense . and they said like as nonsense. and they said inflation would be transitory and it hasn't been transitory. yeah, the governor of the bank of england remind me his name. andrew bailey. useless well, you agree . the guy's got it. the agree. the guy's got it. the quy's agree. the guy's got it. the guy's got a degree in history

rather than bizarrely economics . look, he is the governor of the bank of england. i do think he's got some good advisers around him and i'm not saying central banking is easy. it isn't easy. what i am saying, though, is that the bank of england and much our england and pretty much our entire policymaking establishment wasn't alive enough possibility of enough to the possibility of inflation down the track. and by the even before the war in the way, even before the war in ukraine, inflation was a 30 year high. not blame it all high. so let's not blame it all on geopolitically. on those geopolitically. let's ask the minister ask you about the prime minister putting out his returns just like was clever. big day. like that was clever. big day. good to bury news . he's good day to bury bad news. he's in. mean, he's published in. i mean, he's published his tax returns . ian, quite a lot of tax returns. ian, quite a lot of money. he didn't actually pubush money. he didn't actually publish his tax returns. he published kind of three published a kind of three page summary of his previous three tax returns compiled by his accountant . over the last five accountant. over the last five years in the uk , we don't know years in the uk, we don't know about his us tax tax return of course, because he's not publishing that in the uk he made about £5 million in the last year. he made £1.9 million. you know, he's a successful guy. i don't think british people

mind if you're successful as long as you're honest. a lot of people think, well, if my kid was smart and made that kind of money, pleased. the money, i'd be pleased. the money's a blind trust. we money's in a blind trust. we don't know where or her. i don't know where he is or her. i think what is difficult is that, you know, the vast majority of people, it isn't the 1.9 million credits that he earned. less than 200,000 from his than 200,000 of that from his day being prime minister day job being the prime minister and .so day job being the prime minister and . so the vast majority and an mp. so the vast majority of his income was, as we say in the trade on and that doesn't he didn't do anything to earn it. but dividends and but from dividends and investments and so on so for he will have he will have a problem with many people because these are sums of just can't get are sums of money just can't get their around . they seem their heads around. they seem grotesque, if , of course, grotesque, even if, of course, it's completely legal what he's done it seems to be maybe done and it seems to be maybe a little bit of bad luck on his his part since we're talking about bad luck when he's earning so much money that he his minister at a time when there's a cost living crisis to his a cost of living crisis to his personal comes the personal wealth comes to the fore and it will make some people think when they look at

him, can you ever really understand how me and my family live things i think we live and things like, i think we do transparency see do need transparency see actually where prime actually on where prime ministers money because actually on where prime miniswas money because actually on where prime miniswas the money because actually on where prime minis was the question)ecause there was the question whatsoever he had shares there was the question wimadonna he had shares there was the question wimadonna or he had shares there was the question wimadonna or whether had shares there was the question wimadonna or whether had ofares there was the question wimadonna or whether had of the in madonna or whether one of the companies that he invested in was of was one of the funders of madonna. to know that madonna. we need to know that kind stuff because did that kind of stuff because did that influenced decisions. third year of today obviously of lockdowns today obviously anniversary opinion liam anniversary in your opinion liam how that affect how badly did that affect our economy i'm of my economy? well, i'm proud of my work not just on gb news, but on the telegraph's planet, normal podcast, which i co—present 1000 podcast, which i co—present1000 piers. and we've got an interview today, part one of our two part lockdown special with anders tegnell, who masterminded swedish. the lockdown policy or the lack of lockdown policy in sweden. i think lockdown was probably the worst policy error in post—war british history. i think it did enormous economics , psychological and medical damage to people. we've got hundred and 50,000 kids who have gone back to school. we've got massive mental health crises , massive mental health crises,

got massive nhs waiting lists . i got massive nhs waiting lists. i think when you look at the excess deaths table , britain has excess deaths table, britain has done okay , but sweden, who had done okay, but sweden, who had voluntary lockdown of course did far, far better . they never far, far better. they never closed schools, which i think was vital and i think the public inquiry into lockdown has been far too long getting going . far too long getting going. there's no deadline for when it finishes . in contrast, sweden , finishes. in contrast, sweden, italy, they've all finished their public enquiries. we desperately need the establishment not to kick this into the long grass. we need to be asking tough questions about why we made the decisions that we made. and i must say, i don't think . the we made. and i must say, i don't think. the public inquiry will be same now that the be the same now that the telegraph and isabel oakeshott have released all those whatsapp messages. i think it will be much less of a whitewash than it otherwise would have been. don't get the sunday inquiry took 40 years. yeah. so we've got a long way to go. absolutely right. thank as we were just thank you, liam. as we were just saying, was on this day in saying, it was on this day in 2020 that the first lockdown was announced. boris johnson the attention keeping safe,

attention to keeping us safe, saying the critical thing is we must stop the must what we must do is stop the disease between disease spreading between households. tough households. lockdowns were tough for many people . what impact has for many people. what impact has it had a psychology to clear? we're talking now to psychologist emma kenney . emma, psychologist emma kenney. emma, very difficult, i guess , to sum very difficult, i guess, to sum up three years of psychological stress for so many people and relationship damage. can i take you back to that day, this day, three years ago, what was your first reaction when you heard bofis first reaction when you heard boris johnson say you must stay home? well, i suppose it was disbelief , a home? well, i suppose it was disbelief, a bit of astonishment, because it was entirely new and no one had ever told me that i wasn't allowed to do certain things in the way that i was used to being able to do. so, i guess for the first week, i just got my head down and got on with it. i didn't really feel it was necessary, but then week three i started but then by week three i started to out about the fact that to speak out about the fact that firstly, you abuse this firstly, you don't abuse this with secondly you with children, and secondly you certainly don't affect poverty even further than we know it was

going to be affected by the ordinary economy. and most importantly, in a democratic society we have a level of society where we have a level of autonomy over our choices, no one really had a right to do that. with education in that. and with education in particular being affected as well, think was very well, i think was very blindsided the end because blindsided at the end because what was automatically what i felt was automatically anybody who dared to say that psychologic or well—being, children's needs safeguarding is important was immediately vilified and called a murderer. so i think i went through the initial three weeks in disbelief , shock and also a kind of positivity that it'll all be over pretty immediately . and over pretty immediately. and then of course, it didn't and it wasn't and it's been catastrophic after that. i think it was about the second lockdown. so of course they then the first lockdown, we can argue whether that was necessary or not at the perhaps with not at the time, perhaps with the information, one might argue it was necessary. boris johnson said speech. then we said in that speech. and then we got weeks, obviously the got three weeks, obviously the repeated lockdowns and change the goalposts and changing those

deadlines. know from the deadlines. we know from the whatsapp messages was not scientifically whatsoever scientifically based whatsoever . but remember saying on . but i remember saying on social media, emma, that i feel like i'm abusive like i'm in an abusive relationship with the government because those because they were using those sorts techniques and sorts of coercion techniques and i got roundly vilified for that. but just talk a little bit about how the parallels existed . yeah, how the parallels existed. yeah, i mean, i think that there was certainly an immediate division in our society. and i think that one of the most powerful things that the government did was they used fear. and fear is very, very it's what they very effective. it's what they use mean, they make use in class. i mean, they make you lots of different rituals you do lots of different rituals that are completely unnecessary to there's to convince you, that there's a reason actual changes reason behind the actual changes to your behaviour and that it's going protect you then going to protect you and then you society what you see in society that what happens is with social happens is that with social media and this being a huge connection between big government , big you would government, big tech, you would put in a place where the world around you decided that it was acceptable to be really abusive, really hostile , and to actually really hostile, and to actually ignore main emphasis of the ignore the main emphasis of the messages that and for messages that you and for i example, trying to get example, were trying to get across, no, across, which is, no, was anybody to die . but actually

anybody to die. but actually what we're thinking about is the long impact, particularly what we're thinking about is the lorchildren�*npact, particularly what we're thinking about is the lorchildren .pact, particularly what we're thinking about is the lorchildren . iact, particularly what we're thinking about is the lorchildren . i remember|larly what we're thinking about is the lorchildren . i remember a|rly what we're thinking about is the lorchildren . i remember a speech on children. i remember a speech of read out of of mine being read out of government there line government and there was a line in that the in it saying that the safeguarding been abandoned safeguarding has been abandoned and aim of safeguarding and that the aim of safeguarding is the most is to protect the most vulnerable from abuse, harm and neglect . and actually, what we neglect. and actually, what we were was abuse , harm and were doing was abuse, harm and neglect on the most vulnerable populations. so still to this day, i'm absolutely stunned that we went into the initial lockdown because that never the plan initially when you were deaung plan initially when you were dealing with the pandemic. secondly, it didn't make any sense. we all know it didn't make any sense. but most importantly, there a war on importantly, there was a war on the freedom of thought and even even today that war on the freedom of thought is something that's really impacted on children and young people, because the messages , you're not because the messages, you're not allowed to think because an individual you think is a host, you think of the hoard . what you you think of the hoard. what you do not think is an individual, because if do, you'll be because if you do, you'll be critical allies, you'll be vilified , and at times you'll

vilified, and at times you'll actually be isolated and abandoned by the very society that's meant to welcome you. so i it's not just the i think it's not just the obvious psychological damage. i work in this area. i know exactly the psychological exactly what the psychological damages the whitewash of damages and the whitewash of studies coming out right now denying that harm . but everybody denying that harm. but everybody in this field knows is occurred . i know that there was a concerted effort to make it seem that there wasn't an impact on suicidality, self—harm , all the suicidality, self—harm, all the other areas. so this is a long term impact of truth essentially being negated . and again, false being negated. and again, false science being initiated to carry a narrative of incredible damage. what you said before, thatis damage. what you said before, that is exactly what should be noted. what happened to truth, what happened to our missing two feet? what happened to say we've , got to learn the lessons and the realities . we made horrible the realities. we made horrible mistakes these young people mistakes and these young people are to for it very are going to pay for it very much generationally at that point, you can start saying at least the harm least we can leverage the harm and moving forward and and start moving forward and it's happening . and if it's just not happening. and if bofis it's just not happening. and if boris here, the prime boris was here, the prime minister, he would say he did it

reluctant because he felt he had no choice. was to no choice. he was trying to protect country. he was protect the country. he was trying to protect the country. so no prime minister wants to close economy, no prime close down an economy, no prime minister have minister might. you should have closed that's closed down schools. that's another what another matter. but that's what he isn't that a he would argue. isn't that a legitimate argument to not legitimate argument to make? not as your job to as a leader. it's your job to lead . we full well that he lead. we know full well that he didn't to go into lockdown. didn't want to go into lockdown. we know full well that he was railroaded lockdown. i'm railroaded into lockdown. i'm sure a lot of sure there's been a lot of profiteering that. in profiteering through that. in fact, that fact, the irony is that throughout this, what throughout all of this, what we've learnt is the government want you to be in state of want you to be in a state of crisis, big business wants you to be in a state you feel to be in a state where you feel that need their services that you need their services even when you don't. because crisis, that crisis, fear, terror, that is things constrained things that keep you constrained and make you act two ways according to their wishes. it's profitable be in panic. so at profitable to be in panic. so at the end of the day would say he should have stuck to his morals stuck to beliefs, which was stuck to his beliefs, which was we got into it. we shouldn't have got into it. and poor leader who and it's a poor leader who wasn't to make that wasn't willing to make that decision a potentially decision at a cost, potentially passing but at passing to themselves, but at a cost because they believe in that. thank emma . that. okay. thank you, emma.

emma talking emma kennedy. they're talking very passionate a lot of very passionate as a lot of people. you know. but of course, there was a political consensus, people. you know. but of course, there wdems,>litical consensus, people. you know. but of course, there wdems, the :al consensus, people. you know. but of course, there wdems, the snp,nsensus, people. you know. but of course, there wdems, the snp, itensus, people. you know. but of course, there wdems, the snp, it was s, the lib dems, the snp, it was a the lib dems, the snp, it was a the party, the labour the labour party, the labour party wanted it to be locked down even longer and the down for even longer and the whole of the media jumped on board. no, it was

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this morning, former prime minister boris johnson said, of course, that the accusations he misled parliament are complete non since. did you watch much of that yesterday. 3 hours of it. did you believe him? does it even matter ? i'm not sure it even matter? i'm not sure it does anymore. rishi sunak, you serve a backbench revolt by tory hardliners. those backbench rebels included boris johnson. so is brexit now finally done ? so is brexit now finally done? and and of course it is three years to the day since boris johnson announced that we were going into a national lockdown to apparently keep us safe from the coronavirus let me know your thoughts as we reflect on three years of change. and it's pretty bad news and rates, i'm afraid. the us federal reserve raised the interest rates yesterday by a quarter % the bank of england's a quarter% the bank of england's meeting today, they're going to announce very soon whether they're putting up rates to we'll let you know as soon as it happens. we'll let you know as soon as it happens . gbviews@gbnews.uk we'll let you know as soon as it

happens. gbviews@gbnews.uk is the email. as always, we've got some guests as well waiting in the wings. but first of all, here is your news with rhiannon jones. here is your news with rhiannon jones . thank you. good morning . jones. thank you. good morning. it's 10:02. your top stories it's10:o2. your top stories from the gb newsroom. the bank of england's widely expected to raise the interest base rate for the 11th time in a row later . the 11th time in a row later. economists are predicting a hike 4 to 4.25 percentage points. the bank faces a balancing act between reining in inflation and ensuring financial stability. it comes after a surprise rise in inflation to 10.4% last month. and the decision by the us federal reserve to raise its key rate overnight . aj bell's head rate overnight. aj bell's head of financial , danni hewson, says of financial, danni hewson, says another rise will put yet more pressure on people already struggling with the cost of living crisis . the bank of living crisis. the bank of england has to demonstrate that it is really serious about

bringing prices down because for ordinary people, those high pnces ordinary people, those high prices are just eyewatering at the moment. they cause a huge amount of harm when you go shopping. you know, you're having to pay a little bit more every time. and a lot of budgets just can't stretch any further . just can't stretch any further. and we'll have full coverage of the bank of england's decision here on gb news from midday. sir keir starmer is promising to crack down on serious, violent crime in england and wales if labour win the next general election . it's after the election. it's after the conservatives accused them of being soft on crime . a speech being soft on crime. a speech later, sir keir will pledged a half levels of violence against women and girls within a decade . he'll also announce his party's plans to raise confidence in the police following the report into the met. shadow justice secretary ellie reeves told gb news about labour's plans to tackle crime . labour's plans to tackle crime. minimum sentences for rapists. introducing a minimum sentence

of seven years. setting specialist rape courts so that we can fast track these cases through the system at the moment. victims of waiting three years for their cases to get to court, which means that criminals aren't behind bars. we would also put domestic abuse school handlers in police control rooms and make sure that there are specialist rape and serious sexual violence. units within every police force. the uk and welsh governments have announced two freeports will be created in wales for the first time in a bid to boost the country's economy. the celtic and anglesey freeports in north wales are expected to attract almost £5 billion in investment. it's also they'll generate up to 20,000 jobs by the end of the decade. 20,000 jobs by the end of the decade . rishi sunak has paid decade. rishi sunak has paid more than £1,000,000 in tax over the last three years. the prime minister's published his long awaited person tax documents. they revealed he paid £432,000

in tax in last financial year. it follows the commitment he first made during his tory leadership campaign last summer . when asked if he could understand what it's like for people struggling to heat their homes. mr. sunak said he's on the people's side . ultimately, the people's side. ultimately, what people are interested in is what people are interested in is what i'm going to do for them and you know, you talk about the cost of living, of course that's the number one priority that i've got that i'm grappling with. last year we with. that's why last year we took a decision the took a decision to tax the windfall profits energy windfall profits of energy companies them at 75. companies with tax them at 75. and using that money to and we're using that money to help people's energy bills. help pay people's energy bills. so the course of this so over the course of this winter beyond, going winter and beyond, we're going to be paying about £1,500 of most people's energy bills. that's the type of support we're providing help people. and providing to help people. and that give a sense that should give people a sense that should give people a sense that i am their i'm that i am on their side. i'm doing everything i can to help them. a man been charged them. a man has been charged with counts of attempted with two counts of attempted murder after two elderly men were alight outside mosques were set alight outside mosques in birmingham and london. mohammed abacha from edgbaston

in birmingham will appear at coventry magistrates court later this morning. the 28 year old is alleged to have sprayed the two victims before setting alight in separate incidents . 70 year old separate incidents. 70 year old mohammed riaz remains in hospital with severe to his face, hands and chest following monday's attack in birmingham . monday's attack in birmingham. the prince of wales will speak with ukrainian refugees and pay tribute to the inspiring humanity of polish people. on the second day of his surprise visit to poland in the last few minutes, the prince laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier in warsaw . he unknown soldier in warsaw. he says the trip will allow him to thank troops and, underline his support for the polish people . support for the polish people. nicola sturgeon will face her final first minister's question later. after more than 80, is as head of the scottish government is after she announced last month she was stepping down from her role. she said she no longer

has the stamina to carry on in the pressured and demanding role. the first minister had said she'd remain in office until her successor is chosen and sir jim until her successor is chosen and sirjim and sheikh jassim both expected to submit second improved bids by manchester united after the deadline was extended . a cut off at 9 pm. extended. a cut off at 9 pm. last night had initially been set for the annual sona and banker. the only bidders to have gone public. a first round of bidding took place last month andifs bidding took place last month and it's understood there are as many as eight other potential investors . this is gb news will investors. this is gb news will you more as it happens now though it's to beth and andre . though it's to beth and andre. welcome back for joining though it's to beth and andre. welcome back forjoining us. so yesterday, boris clashed with employees during a three hour grilling over allegations that

he lied to parliament. the questioning came as parliament voted on that vat brexit deal , voted on that vat brexit deal, the so—called windsor framework. majority of rishi sunak tory revolt, including former tory leaders, including johnson. so kevin schofield , old political kevin schofield, old political editor at huffpost uk joins us now . good morning, kevin. now. good morning, kevin. morning. good morning. boris johnson, do the right thing. do you think yesterday backing the rebels on this or not not? i think it should has and amongst conservative mp is not what it once was and the rebellion at one point looked as though it would be bigger and it was in the end, i think downing street will be pretty that they kept it to in the twenties and i mean, obviously, as you just said, that there were significant rebukes, not just boris johnson in duncan—smith. let's just names in the conservative party , but i think it demonstrates in many ways rishi sunak has won ,

many ways rishi sunak has won, is seen off, has big rival boris johnson. and i think gonna be quite difficult from here on in bofis quite difficult from here on in boris johnson to mount a fightback of what about yesterday . the privileges yesterday. the privileges committee. kevin. harriet harman opens her remarks by he chaired the proceedings. of course we've yet to reach a conclusion she said. a lot of people watching would think, yes, you have, harriet, you're kind of find him guilty of misleading, because you've already said that in tweets well, and not just that. it was the interim report that came out a couple of weeks ago from the committee was pretty in itself . it's fair to say, itself. it's fair to say, i think , that the that the think, that the that the committee , which we should committee, which we should remember the most and on are actually conservatives and are sceptical that boris johnson not mislead . they think that it mislead. they think that it should been obvious to him that these gatherings he attended in downing street due to lockdown were breaching the rules. so i

think it was incumbent on johnson yesterday to try and win them over. i think it's to say that it was pretty well briefed . he was unusually focussed , at . he was unusually focussed, at least initially, and these evidence giving session and but i think on the whole i think he's done enough to change the main certainly going by the tone of the questioning and indeed the tone of his answers. he lost his temper once or twice. i think he was pretty frustrated at the whole episode. so a yeah. always no one for the committees are on whether or not they recommend that he be suspended for more than ten days, which obviously would then result in a by—election but he's just on it. kevin, here's the point, isn't it? so the committee makes a recommendation. it's not up to the commons. mps will have a free vote to a lot of tory mp might think to hell with that. i'm not being voting to bring down a prime minister because would boris would effectively bring boris johnson down. he'd be finished

if there if there was ten if there was. if there was ten day suspension, there'd be a by—election he'd lose it . yeah, by—election he'd lose it. yeah, exactly. i mean, it would be a huge moment if that was put to commons vote and downing street have already said that it would be a three vote. and then you're right. be a massive challenge then on individual conservative mp mindful obviously of the fact on the doorsteps , if you speak on the doorsteps, if you speak to conservative mp boris , a lot to conservative mp boris, a lot of them tell me is so very popular with their voters, they really going to go against their constituents , vote to kick him constituents, vote to kick him out of parliament effectively. so that would be a remarkable commons moment where it to come to that i just suspect that the committee may decides to sank in him but not go as far as to recommend the ultimate sanction so that he will get a slap in arrests effectively he will be suspended from parliament, which would be remarkable for a former prime minister. but it may not be enough to check it a

by—election kevin there are parallels with what's going on in america the moment with trump the more that the left start to demonise trump, the more his hardcore fan base gets behind him. and i think. hardcore fan base gets behind him. and i think . there are him. and i think. there are parallels with boris johnson here because even though people like me quite seeing him squirm under spotlight of his own ludicrous rules , felt like he ludicrous rules, felt like he was to some extent hoisted by his petard, if this is what his own petard, if this is what it does for him . even people it does for him. even people like me will see the injustice in it . you know, if obfuscating in it. you know, if obfuscating around these, these little rules, which at the time were mainly theatre and dancing around this this ridiculous regime of theatrical measures to stop an airborne virus . if this stop an airborne virus. if this is what it does for him, you might even have people like me saying, no, hang on a minute. that's not why he should have lost his job. yeah, i mean, perhaps i spoke to one labour mp last said actually he last night who said actually he may strengthened may well be strengthened by this. know , it may not look this. you know, it may not look to great voters. the and image

of boris johnson being almost peer baited by a lot of an mp and i committed him i'm not entirely sure i still think voters are annoyed at the fact bofis voters are annoyed at the fact boris johnson's stood up and night after night on television and told us all to stick to lockdown rules . but behind the lockdown rules. but behind the scenes in number 10, he clearly went well. and i think that's still annoys an awful lot of people and that ultimately may well end up being how people remember them. yeah interesting. yeah, very much. thanks kevin and kim huffpost, thanks for joining us. there was something i made bit of a mess of that question. no, no, no. know what you mean? i don't. i think kevin's right, too. i think the committee will review him. i think they'll recommend he suspended a couple days, suspended for a couple of days, which will be for former prime minister it's only when it minister but it's only when it gets days or beyond. gets to ten days or beyond. there be a by—election which there can be a by—election which would in a day would lose. yeah, but in a day like those who like boris like those people who like boris johnson, remember that

johnson, they will remember that he got sacked for the wrong reasons twice maybe you might say he lost his his role in politics for the wrong reasons if he decides to come back in several years time, then he will have a lot of people behind him a bit. like saying, trump a bit. like we're saying, trump in yeah, absolutely in america. yeah, absolutely now, prince of now, prince william, prince of wales of course. it still sounds odd, it? prince wales odd, doesn't it? prince of wales does william is in does it? prince william is in poland. he's talking to british and polish troops for their support helping defend its support in helping defend its territory. of course, this comes just the war, just days after the war, criminal doing his criminal putin was doing his stuff in ukraine. so our royal reporter cameron walker is there . warsaw, lucky you . looks like . warsaw, lucky you. looks like a beautiful day there in poland. how is william's visit gone down with the forces there . yes, with the forces there. yes, well, it is pretty sunny and warm actually here in warsaw, which is a bit of a contrast to the engagement. prince william has just done. it was a quite solemn engagements, laying a wreath the of the wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier here in warsaw. isuppose unknown soldier here in warsaw. i suppose it's the equivalent monuments of the cenotaph back

london, but it's an engagement which echoes one carried out by prince william's grandson to the queen elizabeth ii and prince philip duke of edinburgh, back in 1996, when they were here on a state visit in poland . prince a state visit in poland. prince william following the wreath laying , actually signed a laying, actually signed a condolence book. it was written in polish . he condolence book. it was written in polish. he didn't condolence book. it was written in polish . he didn't write it. in polish. he didn't write it. it was prince's, but the polish translation is to commemorate those who made the ultimate sacrifice . his royal highness sacrifice. his royal highness prince william and troops and it was very much a theme of . was very much a theme of. yesterday's surprise engagements . prince william was in southeastern polar , was very southeastern polar, was very close to the border with ukraine, thanking both british and chiefs for working to support the people of ukraine in defending that land. and that and i quote shared determination to defend our collective freedom and the city close to where prince william was yesterday is called shields. and that is seen by some as the gateway into ukraine in terms of getting

western arms into ukraine. and prince william made a point of viewing of those western arms. this will be used by ukraine to defend their freedom and their lands against the russian invasion . but another big theme invasion. but another big theme of prince william's trip is very much the humanitaire side of things, highlighting the plight of ukrainian refugees who have come here to poland. at least 1.5 million have come, according to the united nations refugee agency. yesterday visited an accommodation centre which refugees who have recently come across to poland . that conflict across to poland. that conflict just now prince william is on his way to. mit meets the polish presidents . he his way to. mit meets the polish presidents. he is going to express his gratitude and supports to the people of poland for essentially sacrificing what they have order to help out their closest neighbour of ukraine. and later on, say, prince william is going to be visiting more ukrainian . he who visiting more ukrainian. he who have been here for over year. but the timing is significant because it comes off the back of

president meeting the russian presidents in moscow. so perhaps british british officials are hoping that prince william's visit is going to strengthen relations between . two nato relations between. two nato allies . relations between. two nato allies. thank you, cameron and juue allies. thank you, cameron and julie poland. suns out here at least this morning, i fancy some fresh air today. quite well. prince william, he yes. yes, he is. he's all right. you know, i was going to say one foot in front of the other, like steady, steady. but it was march. but you know what i mean? literally a metaphorically, roland says, i totally guest totally disagree with your guest describing partying lies as describing partying and lies as pretty mother could pretty minor. my mother could not her grandchildren before not see her grandchildren before she indeed, i was able she died. indeed, i was not able to hospital before to visit her in hospital before she could not she died. we could not have guests funeral, guests at her funeral, all because rules set to break because the rules set to break them such trivial reasons them for such trivial reasons then lie about this prime minister totally unacceptable minister is totally unacceptable and takes the and very serious and takes the opposite says. thank opposite view, she says. thank goodness, lord list aloneness. there boris's there of course, was boris's chief of staff. just he left just before the pandemic, appearing gb this morning, just before the pandemic, appfirstig gb this morning, just before the pandemic, appfirst time this morning, just before the pandemic, appfirst time since this morning, just before the pandemic, appfirst time since borisnorning, the first time since boris johnson's trial we've heard a true and honest report of proceedings. and nick said,

well, halligan well, said liam halligan lockdown was a massive mistake . lockdown was a massive mistake. we just need the government to admit this. we're talking about this course , three this because, of course, three years since boris johnson put his fist on the table and said, you must lockdown, do you remember where you were ? yeah, i remember where you were? yeah, i was. i knew it was coming. i knew the prime minister was to speak. so i was glued to the tv and i thought, blimey. and i thought, how long is this going to last? i talked to my partner about it. he said, do you think about it. he said, do you think a few or maybe couple of a few or maybe a couple of weeks? i said, no, i think it's going to be months. did you? i had a hunch and i was wrong. is that because to sound that because you want to sound politicians you thought politicians and you thought we know a fact that if you give know for a fact that if you give this a politician a promise, this a politician a promise, this amount power, they're this amount of power, they're not let it go easily. not going to let it go easily. politicians, take politicians, when they take power, back. and power, never give it back. and they took more power than any time i thought time in peacetime. and i thought if, he's closing down the economy schools. this is serious in this is not in his view, and this is not going few days, weeks. going to be a few days, weeks. this to be a very long time. this is to be a very long time. okay. we are we've a guest to

talk about when talk talk about this when to talk now to virologist dr. chris smith and the independent jamie jenkins join us on the show today. jenkins join us on the show today . good morning, gentlemen . today. good morning, gentlemen. then, chris, you were one of these people often over the last for those two years. one of lockdowns . forgive me if you lockdowns. forgive me if you don't agree with me, but largely supporting the government's policies. from a virologist point of view, jamie jenkins, on the other hand was looking purely at the data and statistical analysis. so chris, when you look back now, do you think mistakes were made just to correct the record. i wasn't supporting anybody. i was commenting and commentating on what was going on and trying to explain to people why the as far as the facts were known to us were being made were being made when we first went into the pandemic we didn't know what we were dealing with . and everybody were dealing with. and everybody in the world was very much in the dark. we'd never confront it. this disease working in this way and spreading the way it was

and infecting people and causing the impacts that it had before . the impacts that it had before. and so whenever you confront something that's completely novel and you don't know what you're dealing with the most important thing is to keep people safe you learn people safe while you learn and you learn very, very you try to learn very, very quickly, which what we tried quickly, which is what we tried to and during that process, to do. and during that process, inevitably some inevitably will be some consequences. and one of those consequences. and one of those consequences might taking consequences might be taking steps to stop the spread the steps to stop the spread of the infection and once you know where you stand, then you make an informed choice and that has happenedin an informed choice and that has happened in different countries at different at different at different rates at different times . what everyone at different rates at different times. what everyone did to times. but what everyone did to start was try. and it's start with was to try. and it's the thing to do to try to the right thing to do to try to stop the disease spreading while you learn. and at the early you learn. and so at the early days, when no one knew anything, the was to be the best thing to do was to be as decisive possible act as as decisive possible and act as quickly possible to to quickly as possible to try to stop spread. did you don't stop the spread. did you don't think, chris, given that think, though, chris, given that you virologist so knew you were a virologist so knew what pandemic preparedness what a pandemic preparedness plan we plan was before this that we threw that out the window and quarantined healthy did that quarantined the healthy did that not little odd? not strike you as a little odd? well, in the first instance, we didn't we were going

didn't know what we were going to confronting who to be confronting and who the healthy were or whether everyone was susceptible the headlines that were coming from lombardy in northern which really in northern italy, which really was nucleus that spawned the spread of the disease. we've got data showing that that really that was the catalyst then that was the catalyst that then began spread in virus began to spread in the virus everywhere . it was affecting everywhere. it was affecting people who weren't just older people, although were people, although they were heavily the heavily represented in the numbers. many people numbers. but many younger people as so very much being as well. and so very much being in the dark as we were, we didn't what precisely the didn't know what precisely the highest risk groups were at that time . and so therefore stopping time. and so therefore stopping the to the greatest the spread to the greatest extent with various is extent possible with various is a thing to do . the a sensible thing to do. the question then what do you do question is then what do you do next once you who the vulnerable people are, then do we open things up and keep things closed? that was the question that i think when opinions to diverge and that began to happen later on in 2020. jamie jenkins , three years on where are you on this ? yeah. so i think on this? yeah. so i think i suppose part of what chris is

saying now is that when we went into that first lockdown, there was a lot of group thing going on across different countries . on across different countries. one locking down, one country was locking down, another to another country was going to lockdown we know sweden lockdown. now, we know sweden didn't were more kind of a didn't were more for kind of a voluntary approach, but more more were locking more countries were locking down. of down. so they were kind of following other. but following each other. but i think we lockdown? well think why did we lockdown? well part of reason we lucked part of the reason we lucked that that a lot of the that was that a lot of the modelling that was done at the start of pandemic so we saw start of the pandemic so we saw these big numbers would these big numbers of who would be and would die because be at risk and would die because of the pandemic. one of the of the pandemic. and one of the things got doing pandemic things you've got doing pandemic bad you get a model bad is that when you get a model and say, we don't do and you say, if we don't do something will happen. something this will happen. well, you do, then go do well, if you do, then go do something. you come out good with model. and so up kind with the model. and so up kind of 21, we pretty of december 21, we pretty much had making had the government making interventions and it was critical a bit on critical moment i think a bit on in the pandemic where think in the pandemic where i think some sage modelling was some of the sage modelling was coming saying we have coming out saying we would have a of deaths if a certain number of deaths if bofis a certain number of deaths if boris bring any further boris didn't bring any further measures in in december 21. and that was the first time where you actually the you could actually mock the whole the modellers whole work of the modellers because do because boris johnson didn't do anything point time .

anything at that point in time. the that they were the actual deaths that they were predicting 93% lower than predicting were 93% lower than what the model was suggesting. then they centralised them. then as they centralised them. and so to the question there is then back in hindsight then you look back in hindsight obviously is was the modelling as bad during the pandemic, which led to some of these decisions. yeah, chris, you just as a virologist have been interested though in the case of the diamond princess cruise ship february 2020, a quarantined off the coast of hong kong, japan wasn't a 3700 people on board. it was the perfect petri basic petri dish analysis and actually has been borne out three years later, have been an incredibly accurate indication who was likely to catch it, who was likely to catch it, who was likely to catch it, who was likely to get ill, and who was likely to get ill, and who was likely to get ill, and who was likely to die . why didn't you likely to die. why didn't you take those sorts of more seriously ? well, again , seriously? well, again, confronting me as though i'm a politician and making decisions, i'm a virologist who treats patients in and i'm occasionally asked my opinion these things

and i did give my opinion what the diamond princess told us was that there are certain groups in society who do appear to be highly susceptible. if you look at the average age of a person who is on that cruise , they were who is on that cruise, they were older and when put older people. and when put people into confined circumstances like cruise circumstances is like a cruise vessel where you can't do social distancing very easily. there's a lot of shared spaces . it's a lot of shared spaces. it's a big communal living environment . therefore ideal for . therefore it's ideal for certain diseases to spread. and we've known this for years things , winter things like norovirus, winter vomiting, bug goes through cruise ships like wildfire. if you allow it too. so in some respects , those outcomes were respects, those outcomes were inevitable . what we didn't know inevitable. what we didn't know was what the disease do at a national level, because of course the population isn't just dominated by older people with , dominated by older people with, pre—existing conditions, pre—existing health conditions, it's whole range from very young children to much older people. and until you actually gather the data and learn to make informed decisions , you're informed decisions, you're really one set of data to really using one set of data to extrapolate out to a different set of individuals.

extrapolate out to a different set of individuals . and you can set of individuals. and you can make mistakes if you do that. so it's very important that you get the right of data to inform the right sort of data to inform your decisions, that does your decisions, but that does take time talking about data. thank jamie. of thank you, chris jamie. one of the of lockdown has been the impacts of lockdown has been our significant deaths statistics this country just reflect on where we are with those now because that i think is one of the things that has been largely neglected as a consequence of lockdowns. yeah, well , if you consequence of lockdowns. yeah, well, if you take in excess deaths from 2020 overall, then i suppose was clear that suppose it was quite clear that we had that excess deaths during the first wave on the second wave of the pandemic and. you know, you can't deny the fact that the covid virus did have a big impact on lot of lives big impact on a lot of lives being lost there. but as we've gone the pandemic, gone on from the pandemic, because of measures because of some of the measures that we saw kind of that were taken, we saw kind of the pretty much closed down the nhs pretty much closed down for of things. let's not for a lot of things. let's not forget winter was forget now, winter 2020 was really bad. they had a load more intensive beds, to cope intensive beds, capacity to cope . lot of the period . but for a lot of the period when capacity wasn't needed, i suppose when the virus was at lower levels , there still lower levels, there were still

issues nhs and patients issues with the nhs and patients getting so we've seen getting treatment. so we've seen these increases the these massive increases in the waiting lists people trying waiting lists, people trying to get appointments . it's been get gp appointments. it's been difficult. over the last of difficult. so over the last of 40 or so weeks we have been seeing excess of non—covid excess deaths as well as linked in part two of issues that we have off the back of the of the nhs kind of closing down and these kind of waiting lists. and in the last weeks, some in the last four weeks, some reassuring stuff there that they are starting to come back down to normal levels. but we are still elevated deaths still seeing elevated deaths that you wouldn't expect. if you look for population size look at just for population size in the ages up to the age of 44. so i think we've got to reflect back and it's just the health thing talking about thing that we're talking about here. we've got the here. let's forget we've got the bank of england going to increase interest rates again today with interest and because of inflation. we had a huge of inflation. now we had a huge printing pandemic printing of money, the pandemic as that consequences as well. and that consequences of lockdowns, meaning went of the lockdowns, meaning went down huge of money. we've down with huge of money. we've got the economic stuff that we live in with many, many years ago. so i think there were many economic mistakes well as

economic mistakes as well as essential mistakes that essential health mistakes that were the last couple were made over the last couple of years. all right. we have to leave there, gentlemen. leave it there, gentlemen. that's chris and jamie that's dr. chris smith and jamie jenkins. so for jenkins. thanks so much for joining in moment, we joining us. now in a moment, we can about impact. the media can hear about impact. the media had lockdown and how we all had on lockdown and how we all behaved. to point on

gb news with the broadcaster tonia buxton. you know well, joins us in the studio. tonya good morning. three years today since the first lockdown. how is your changed? it's trends changed dramatically and i'm changed dramatically and i'm changed dramatically and i'm changed dramatically and my family changed dramatically because of what happened . i'm going to try what happened. i'm going to try very hard not to get emotional while we're talking about this because this was this is a horrific time and it's this three year anniversary. we do need to acknowledge what happened to us. so i lost my jobs. you know, i worked as a freelancer on good morning britain and this morning and i've not been asked to do it again. but tell us why i told

you. because i was really a very much an anti—lockdown write very vocal on about anti vocal on twitter about anti lockdowns and i could see lockdowns and what i could see lockdowns and what i could see lockdowns were doing. the lockdowns were doing. and the reason that i used reason for that is that i used to a show on discovery to have a show on discovery channel with kitchen and one channel with my kitchen and one of my fans from years ago of my fans from 15 years ago contacted because committed contacted because i'm committed suicide and she just wanted to get those channels and express to other parents to be careful if your son is, you know, in his room, on his own, you keep an eye on the kids. room, on his own, you keep an eye on the kids . and i just kind eye on the kids. and i just kind of this blanket silence and you know, my manager said to me, you got to stop. you know, you're not going to work again. she told me she knew that. but then on top of that, just two months ago, my son's friend rugby committed suicide and the harms that my mother in law is dead because of lockdown. didn't because of lockdown. she didn't get diagnosis in get her cancer diagnosis in time, dead. so for me, time, so she's dead. so for me, lockdown has hurt my family draconian, dramatically . and so draconian, dramatically. and so when i have these people like dr. smith there , who's just kind dr. smith there, who's just kind of brushing over the things that

he was condoning during that time, he was not taking any responsibility. he was a virologist who knew that this virus as we all knew it, i am no brain, not very bright, actually, angela, i'm not. but i understood that this virus and still to this day it's death rate is someone who is older than we do die off of course mortality is 82. so understood that so locking down schools and shutting hospitals where people could get treatment how could that make sense to anybody and i was the primary school teacher in tottenham for eight years and when the kids i had a lot of them suffered from horrific neglect not not necessarily abuse, but neglect and school area very poor and school was their sanctuary . so i knew that their sanctuary. so i knew that there was so many children that would be suffering in tower blocks and tenements, not being able to get out or have any respite from that life that they had at home. i had a great lockdown . i have four kids. we lockdown. i have four kids. we were all cooking together. i have a garden . i had a great

have a garden. i had a great lockdown actually . my family to lockdown actually. my family to get close together if i think about on that level. but i was walking around the house within sonia thinking what happened? the kids in edmonton, what's going on what's happening there? and when my in law and then when my mother in law got sick and then realising that there was going to be so much collateral damage in this and we and journalists that were and these journalists that were there downing street, not one there on downing street, not one of them asked this question. they to know, why aren't they wanted to know, why aren't you to want to you looking down, how to want to look damo why did journalist completely lose their mind? if you because there was a political consensus. that's what here parties here every political parties opposing it. in fact, labour was pushing for lockdown be even pushing for lockdown to be even soonen pushing for lockdown to be even sooner. well, forget labour. sooner. oh well, forget labour. i mean, think maybe they were i mean, think maybe if they were in conservatives would acted in a conservative manner and, did the thing, but what is, the right thing, but what is, what is the definition of a journalist, what is that to go with the political consensus and since when has that been what a journalist used to have journalist is. i used to have such for journalists, such respect for journalists, especially those that were critical, analytical, digging stories, something new?

stories, finding something new? i no respect for them i have no respect for them anymore. myself above them anymore. i put myself above them now because i questioned things that wasn't. now because i questioned things that wasn't . i wasn't that i wasn't. i wasn't qualified educated do. qualified or educated do. i mean, i was looking through looking through studies. i was reading like the great barrington those barrington declaration, those poor and virologists poor doctors and virologists that were standing up and saying, hang on a minute. is this why should we not do a cost analysis to see what this is to mean? and they were vilified and brought down like i was was called a grimy killer of my talk with my colleagues, state because of lockdown on social media. oh my god. across the board. the hateful things i was cause the awful things i was called and my children got abuse because my thoughts as well . and because my thoughts as well. and yet i don't feel i don't feel vilified now . just feel very vilified now. just feel very sad.thank vilified now. just feel very sad. thank you, tania. thank you. thanks much. there's a lot of people out there. will feel similar. everyone was let down in various different ways when they still to come. sir keir starmer will promise to have two half levels of violence against

women and girls within ten years of labour taking office . that's of labour taking office. that's all him on ten years all off to him on his ten years long hit on two ways of . long hit on two ways of. combining it's 1035 long hit on two ways of. combining it's1035 i'm rhiannon jones in the gb news from the bank of england's. why they expected to raise the interest base rate for the 11th time in a row later . economists are row later. economists are predicting a hike from 4 to 4.25 percentage points. the bank faces a balancing act, reining in inflation and, ensuring financial stability . it comes financial stability. it comes after a surprise rise in inflation to 10.4% last month. and the decision by the us federal reserve to raise its key rate overnight . key keir rate overnight. key keir starmer's promising to crack down on serious violent crime . down on serious violent crime. england and wales if labour the next general election . it's next general election. it's after the conservatives accused them of being soft on crime . sir

them of being soft on crime. sir keir will shortly pledge to halve levels of violence against and girls within a decade . he'll and girls within a decade. he'll also announce his party's to raise confidence in the police following the report into , the following the report into, the met and rishi sunak paid more than £1,000,000 in tax over the last three years. the prime minister has published his long awaited personal tax documents , awaited personal tax documents, showing he paid £432,000 in tax in the last year. when asked if he could understand what it's like for people struggling to heat their homes , mr. sunak said heat their homes, mr. sunak said he's on the people's side . he's on the people's side. ultimately, what people are interested in is what i'm going to do for them. and you talk about the cost of living, of course that's the number one priority i've got that i'm priority that i've got that i'm grappling . that's year grappling. that's why last year we decision to tax the we took a decision to tax the windfall profits of energy companies tax them at 75. companies with tax them at 75. and we using that money to help pay and we using that money to help pay people's energy bills. so

over the course of this winter and beyond, we're going to be paying and beyond, we're going to be paying about £1,500 of most people's energy bills. that's type of support we're providing to help people. and that should give people a sense that i am their i'm doing everything their side. i'm doing everything i help them . and in the i can to help them. and in the last half hour, the prince of wales has laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier in warsaw. on the day of his warsaw. on the second day of his surprise visit to poland. prince william speak with ukrainian refugee days and pay tribute to the inspire and humanity of the british people. he says the trip will allow him to thank troops and underline his support for poland . tv online. deb al—sarraj poland. tv online. deb al—sarraj and on tune in this is. gb news 1037. this is to the point of gb

news with andrew pierce and bev turner best part of the programme. now we've got the press panel , the fabulous carole press panel, the fabulous carole malone marker . too malone malone mile marker. too high here. always complaining about some things and sam smith, our very analyst. sam about some things and sam smith, our very analyst . sam lister. our very analyst. sam lister. who? sam smith. joe smith thought the weather here issue or any sort of they has a sam smith. well when we started the show with the lord lister and then we had some lister did wonder if you were really. but no, not at all. let's go straight to partygate. come on. what did you think to do? i thought and i'm going to thought he did. and i'm going to go. he did go. i i thought he did incredibly . well, i was pretty incredibly. well, i was pretty impressed by it. you didn't melody rapturous love lover, a hater. that's really what hater. and that's really what this is about. we're going this is all about. we're going to the car because the sir to stop the car because the sir keir starmer you excitement keir starmer hold you excitement about . oh, is it? oh, about to speak. oh, is it? oh, god. stoke on trent is talking about violence against women. he's to to sort it he's going to pledge to sort it out. you, all of you. it's out. thank you, all of you. it's fantastic to see all here this morning be in burslem, morning to be here in burslem, the mother town of the potteries

as well. yeah where the spades passed the ground in the construction of the great trent and mersey canal, a construction of the great trent and mersey canal , a fact which and mersey canal, a fact which course gives its name to port vale. although for me, if i'm honest, this is better known as the ground where arsenal came close to losing the double in 1998. this is this is true to drills in the cup or the penalties out very close penalties out very close penalties out very close penalties out somewhere just over there. i went out to have a look at the pitch this morning, to look at it where those penalties were taken from. but today we are here on more serious business, as if said the launch of labour's second national mission to make our streets safe , stop criminals streets safe, stop criminals getting away without punishment . now now , if you think that

. now now, if you think that sounds basic something which should be guaranteed in a country like ours , then let me country like ours, then let me tell you. go right. nothing is more important, more fundamental to a democracy , ours, the rule to a democracy, ours, the rule of law is the foundation for everything margaret thatcher called the first duty of government , and she was right government, and she was right about that . an expression of about that. an expression of individual liberty , our rights individual liberty, our rights and responsibilities , but also and responsibilities, but also justice, fairness, equality . one justice, fairness, equality. one role for all. that's the principle i've been proud to serve all my adult life as human rights lawyer, fighting for families with young children trying to escape mould infested or for freedom of speech in the muck libel with the police service of northern ireland advising them how to bring communities together to make the good friday agreement work. and at crown prosecution service as the director of public

prosecutions , the same principle prosecutions, the same principle every one protected, every one respect it . no one denies the respect it. no one denies the law . no one above the law , not law. no one above the law, not the murderers of . stephen the murderers of. stephen lawrence, who for a time thought that they were al—qaeda terrorists , not mps, labour or terrorists, not mps, labour or conservatives, gaming the expenses to line their pockets. i prosecuted them all and i'm proud of that one role for all. and that's why we have found the pandemic parties in downing street under boris johnson. so the circus of the last few days a reminder of its total disrespect for national sacrifice . that's why i said i'd sacrifice. that's why i said i'd resign if i'd broken those same rules . i just couldn't have rules. i just couldn't have looked. the british people in the eye and asked them for their trust. those values are too important to me . the core of my important to me. the core of my politics today. so if the tories

want to attack me for paying a human rights lawyer, attack the i've stood up for my whole life , i say fine, that only shows how far they have fallen and how little they understand working people . people. because whatever the crime , because whatever the crime, social behaviour, hate crime , social behaviour, hate crime, serious violence, it's always working people who pay the heaviest working class communities who have to live under a shadow . that's why under a shadow. that's why tackling crime , law and order tackling crime, law and order will always be important for my labour party. fighting is a labour party. fighting is a labour call . labour call. i grew up working class in a small town. i know

how important it is to feel safe in your community. if you don't have a big house and a garden, the streets are where your kids play the streets are where your kids play . your community is your play. your community is your family, your neighbours eyes. it is you have to feel a sense of trust , of confidence, of trust, of confidence, of security is what gives you roots as a precondition of hope. the firm you could build your aspiration for. but as somebody who's worked in criminal for most of my life , i also know most of my life, i also know that far often the inequalities that far often the inequalities that still scar our society class race or gender do find an expression in the very system thatis expression in the very system that is supposed to protect us all without discrimination . i've all without discrimination. i've talked about this before, but the case that crystal so much for me was the murder of a called jane clough stopped to

death in the car park of the blackpool hospital where she worked , killed by the man worked, killed by the man awaiting trial on multiple charges of raping her. on the one morning she went to work unaccompanied . i will never unaccompanied. i will never forget the day her parents children came to my and talked me through the awful treatment they had received from our criminal justice system . it's criminal justice system. it's a moment that has shaped everything i've done since everything. i think about justice, incomprehensible pain can only be met with action. but if you the power and can do something for the powerless, you've got to roll up your sleeves. work night and day to make the changes big and small, which can , if not put things which can, if not put things right , then at least protect the right, then at least protect the future . that's what happened future. that's what happened that day . as i listened to john that day. as i listened to john and penny tell me james story , i

and penny tell me james story, i knew a great had been done and i made a promise to work with them , make sure no other family would suffer the same fate . so would suffer the same fate. so together we changed guidelines on rape cases in court , and on rape cases in court, and crucially, we forced a change in the law that gave prosecutors right to appeal against the bail decision changes, which do give extra protection to women. brave like jane to place their faith in system and press charges . but in system and press charges. but it isn't enough . i know that . in it isn't enough. i know that. in fact, it's why i decided to come into politics. because the more and more case files i read . the and more case files i read. the more able i could see those ugly inequalities as at work. you saw it in grooming scandals like as well how good prosecutors and decent police officers people who hated crime would end up looking for the perfect victim

casting aspersions based on a way of thinking that out of date , out of touch with the experience victims and communities that they needed to serve. why didn't you go to the police straight away . why did police straight away. why did you go back to them? why don't you go back to them? why don't you put up a fight? questions and assumptions are deeply flawed and have left vulnerable people , working class women and people, working class women and girls, especially ignored . girls, especially ignored. voiceless denied justice. that's why the mission today matters to me . i'm proud of my previous me. i'm proud of my previous work, proud of my record at the prosecution service. but is personal. yes it's labour's plan to tackle the crime wave gnawing away our collective sense of security . of course it is . it's security. of course it is. it's also unfinished business in my life's work to deliver justice for working people people . well, for working people people. well, that was keir starmer. boring

everybody away . the way that everybody away. the way that sound. everybody away. the way that sound . you interviewed him in sound. you interviewed him in the express today. he's talking about a ten year pledge to sort out crime. ten years is a big ask, isn't it? i mean, his pitch is that actually because of the cuts place in the 20,000 police officers that were caught by theresa may that it's going to take a long time to kind of reverse that. when he spoke to me, he said that he wanted to be tough on grooming of children for crime. so he wants to make grooming a specific offence. if you see child for crime, you you see a child for crime, you can be done just that alone . and can be done just that alone. and that he wants to put bobbies outside the school gate now into schools. any of this before? yeah, but i mean, he's quite interesting. he used the phrase tough on crime, tough on the causes of obviously causes of crime, obviously closely with blair and closely himself with blair and i see a lot of your party don't like what you know, why are you doing said, well, doing this? and he said, well, look, is a cool, cool thing look, this is a cool, cool thing to make. labour crime is a labour issue, it's labour issue, he said. it's personal for, as former director of public prosecutions, how can

you say crime is you say how can he say crime is a labour thing when levitt in power let's just go back to the macpherson report the merger macpherson report of the merger . in power . lawrence labour was in power then and the met police was in disarray way back and they disarray way back then and they did nothing to correct in did nothing to correct who's in charge of metropolitan charge of the metropolitan police. have much police. you didn't have much from they did. mayor of from him. they did. mayor of london? yes. who? yeah. pretty you you've met keir you know, you've met keir starmer, few times. i've starmer, a few times. i've written a lot written the most notable a lot bad things about him. i know you said something else that i've written a lot terrible things. and every time i him, he and every time i see him, he goes, hi, expecting a bit goes, hi, i'm expecting a bit of a, you know, bit of a slap, a, you know, a bit of a slap, but he's always utterly but he's just always utterly charming makes me like charming and it makes me like him for 10 minutes. and then i hear think nothing that hear that i think nothing that my don't want to my party. yeah. i don't want to talk high hammond the talk about high hammond the proceedings yesterday saying we have lined up. oh have not made on lined up. oh yes she's had cut and blow yes yes she's had a cut and blow dry. you notice that she had dry. did you notice that she had a very, very severe fringe cut and she she that she said, and she she said that she said, we've party politics we've left our party politics out door nearly chokes. it's out the door nearly chokes. it's just she was just it's like seven. she was hating couldn't. how hating him. she couldn't. how could but i thought boris could it? but i thought boris was masterful. although there

was masterful. although there was bluff and bluster was no bluff and bluster yesterday, there's stone yesterday, there's no stone lying was going lying about what he was going to say. i thought, say. he was very, i thought, very respectful of harriet harman at the same time saying to her, you have prejudice this, this, and quite by what you have said about me. because, of course, we all know about the famous where she said, you famous tweet where she said, you know, has broken the know, i feel he has broken the rules. so he her he gave her a slap right up time and he gave the whole committee a slap right up i just thought was up front. and i just thought was looking committee, looking at that committee, you it a bunch before move it this is a bunch before move of this a woman she of harman this a woman she wanted her legacy to be the woman who took keir starmer. i don't want to that boris johnson once and for all and you can tell she's like she's intent on that. but i was at that committee yesterday. what a bunch of nonentities they are. they're bringing down a prime minister now that he's brought down or the problems that they're trying to bring down, a man who got the biggest landslide since and thatcher probably healey, i kind of

looked at them together and i thought, my god some of the there was there was a guy in snp guy from it was no one has ever heard of there was somebody called alberto costa no one's ever heard and i'm just ever heard of them. and i'm just thinking these guys are nonentities yet they're nonentities and yet they're there to bring down this guy and they just want bring they don't just want to bring him to crush him down. they want to crush him. and you can see that by their he said their questions. what he said yesterday, was yesterday, i thought, was totally . all those totally logical. all those photographs the party, why photographs at the party, why would you have downing street's official photographer taking photographs of something that you to illegal? he was you knew to be illegal? he was also told what i thought was very funny, that , you he very funny, that, you know, he had had said he had taken had to he had said he had taken from senior advisers and the committee suggested, well, he should taken from should have taken advice from even senior advisers even more senior senior advisers , those clearly , because those ones clearly weren't right so think weren't right. so i just think this all boils down. i mean, i think public perception of this is going to be both. and whether you love boris or you hate boris, if you hate him boris, if you if you hate him because of what think he did dunng because of what think he did during the pandemic, people have lost who couldn't lost people. people who couldn't get of dying

get to hold the hands of a dying relative, him and this is relative, hate him and this is not going change their minds. not going to change their minds. but i think people if you listen to what he's actually saying, if you listen to the evidence it makes sense to me that makes logical sense to me that no, he did not know. he didn't purposely mislead them. sam, you've you've obviously on this on the express , your by—line on on the express, your by—line on the front page of the paper today. a lot of people will be walking. i was watching this message driving to work. walking to they don't sam they to work. they don't sam they don't care. is that. i'm not saying that your newspaper hasn't got it right. sorry, i'm not criticising your editorial expertise, what saying, not criticising your editorial ethinkse, what saying, not criticising your editorial ethink people what saying, not criticising your editorial ethink people want saying, not criticising your editorial ethink people want to saying, not criticising your editorial ethink people want to have1g, not criticising your editorial ethink people want to have .], not criticising your editorial ethink people want to have . the i think people want to have. the bigger answered . i bigger questions answered. i want see hancock grilled like want to see hancock grilled like this about, that lockdown. i want to see boris good like this about i don't about lockdown. i don't i don't i'm not bothered about him being grilled about whether he was following and then following the rules and then he maybe tell the complete maybe didn't tell the complete truth to them. i don't comment for when media so for time when the media is so detached from what the public are i'm are interested in, i think i'm totally and totally point on that and i think a lot people think why are we still going on about this? so

you know, so many months and years, what's the mp would say he's actually lying to parliament is a really big deal. if trust the prime if you can't trust the prime minister tell the truth to minister to tell the truth to the commons. that big the commons. and that is big deal should dealt with deal and it should be dealt with . certainly from his . but i think certainly from his offer he angry about offer he is still angry about bofis offer he is still angry about boris being ousted. they felt it was a very small group of employees never wanted . he employees who never wanted. he got him without any got rid of him without any recourse. and i want to be apologised repeatedly to dispatch. yes, prime minister for misleading because there's no doubt he misled you. exactly. just whether he did it recklessly, which this new word that can i ask, because you know this more than all of us at this table, you know , i don't think i table, you know, i don't think i think even if it's the produce committee recommend it gives the punishment goes punishment and it goes parliament. parliament to parliament. parliament has to vote yes isn't vote on it. yes isn't it the feeling that tories will feeling that the tories will will not will voted , they will will not will voted, they will not have him because they believe he's being treated unfairly. even ones don't unfairly. even the ones don't like. instinct is that like. my own instinct is that the committee will not recommend ten days suspension . they'll go

ten days suspension. they'll go for maybe four or five, go . to for maybe four or five, go. to and get that through. he'll be i think he will be suspended then but he won't face it by and he bounces back. do you think. be suspended. i just i think the tories will rally round him. i think might because i think they they feel i'm i be wrong they feel i'm i could be wrong but think, they are the but i think, they are even the ones who like him. i think ones who don't like him. i think they feel he's badly. well they feel he's been badly. well he's lost his job. yeah prime minister. ultimately minister. but i think ultimately nobody actually, apart from a hard core and he's really actually want him to, to face a ten day suspension, this could potentially by—election. i actually would win the kind of martyrdom . oh yeah on the sense martyrdom. oh yeah on the sense that he's been kind of unfairly treated and so you know that's not good rishi sunak doesn't want in that want a by—election in that context yeah yeah they're context so yeah yeah they're having campaign for boris you having to campaign for boris you know it split the party so know it will split the party so it's really advantageous . do it's not really advantageous. do you think he'd win the by a by—election if there was one, boris? i mean, do you think he'd win it? it's very difficult to win. yeah. if you're an

incumbent and labour party, the liberal democrats almost certainly a shadow certainly put up a shadow candidate or so it would be bofis candidate or so it would be boris against labour candidate. oh, okay. oh, of course the dems have chosen somebody as their candidate. during candidate. father died during the same week as one of the lockdown parties. cynical, cynically, what? is cynically, what? but it is a waste of money, isn't it? what's this costing? 500 and this costing? 500 grand? and i think stuff. they haven't think boris stuff. they haven't paid blair got paid for you know tony blair got the inquiry for the the iraq inquiry paid for by the public, not this? but public, so why not this? but i do think it's a i think you're totally right that it's a waste of time. i think the public have moved yeah, actually want to moved on. yeah, actually want to be the things be talking about the things that bother me today about gwyneth paltrow. don't want to. paltrow. oh, i don't want to. yeah, so. i think. well, yeah, i so. yes i think. well, she's in court week. she's she's she's in court week. she's she's she's in court week. she's she's she's in court week. she's she's she's being sued by this bloke . he's a retired eye bloke. he's a retired eye surgeon and apparently eight years ago, he says she crashed into him like king kong on a green slope. now, i'm not a big skier. i'm not escape at all in fact but carrie is love i know is a baby slope so if she i don't know where is coming out

of like king kong. i mean, according to other people she was watching her kids learning to skate. however the man the man taken eight years to man has taken eight years to bnng man has taken eight years to bring court. he, first bring this to court. he, first of asked million. now of all, asked $3 million. now he's asking 245 grand. is he's asking for 245 grand. is low, a decent thing. and he's saying that he's that he couldn't after it. he's couldn't work after it. he's saying bit of brain saying he had a bit of brain damage but put her that fascinated by okay so the girls you won't get so you might she's coming court in like green coming into court in like green cashmere jumpers and the american what do they call it? they call it she's channelling is called rich male energy and the cashmere agent was already out on a quid a time. the coach is wearing it, of course, like four grand. but she's sitting there, looking, trying to be warm and cosy because why wouldn't settle ? 245 grand wouldn't she settle? 245 grand for is nothing you she for her is nothing you she charges 60 quid for a not one of our orgasmic candles so let's tune in on her goop but tune in on her goop website but i'm thinking is this not just great publicity for google this is these days do you think they were? i think because how how was this ended up in court? yes

how is this? she could have done it easily. yeah, yeah, yeah. this counts as two and a half thousand. she would in a blink. yeah. superstar yeah. these superstar celebrities people off. celebrities just pay people off. so the fact is, i court makes me very suspicious and going to sue that it was the other way round and he actually skating into her maybe she's just doing it from a sense of justice. i think i don't have that kind of faith. still very cynical. oh yeah. i learned it from european, but i just do think , why would you just do think, why would you want the philosophy ? why would want the philosophy? why would you want all the mess of it? and i just think, you know, she's she's playing this game. i mean, we've seen celebrities. you know, amber heard went into know, when amber heard went into court suited for that, backfired on big time. well i don't on her big time. well i don't know if it was the suit that backfired her, but but, you backfired on her, but but, you know, women go into know, a lot of women go into court and looking like sarah nigel. nigel was a great nigel. i mean, nigel was a great example yet out of power example of yet out of power dress, trial and yes you dress, which trial and yes you know and i'm rising know yes i mean and i'm rising this and i've got my beautiful baritone and i'm being oh you

know when looks like she's in know so when looks like she's in the a barbecue the backyard having a barbecue with what i like with the kids but what i like about it when you see gwyneth paltrow, she's not a face not messed she's not full messed around. she's not full fillers, she's not natural. still at her in still we were looking at her in the the papers yesterday the pit, in the papers yesterday when saying she a when we were saying she a bit different it's different and we realise it's different. look like different. she doesn't look like all other children. and so all the other children. and so i looked at it from the side of what she looked, she looked, she was bit and that's so was ageing a bit and that's so much back . son still to much in black back. son still to come, i'm going to be talking about boris johnson fighting on after this grilling by the privileges committee yesterday. more on and tonnes more in more on that and tonnes more in the hour

thank you . welcome to the point thank you. welcome to the point on giving it to me. bev turner and andrew pierce . well, boris and andrew pierce. well, boris johnson was in fighting for monsanto yesterday. he says he didn't mislead parliament. we'll find out what the committee

thinks in a few months time. but we want to know what think. was it it? do believe in? it worth it? do you believe in? do care? yeah that is no do you care? yeah that is no gbviews@gbnews.uk k also rishi sunak. so if a backbench revolt by tory hardliners yesterday opposed to his brexit deal with northern ireland is brexit finally done and three years to the day since boris locked his down covid, we're going to be talking about that. it was to keep us safe from the coronavirus. what, if any, lessons have been learnt . also, lessons have been learnt. also, the us federal reserve raised interest rates by a quarter of a point, increasing the likelihood the bank of england will do the same today. the move amid a shock rise in inflation to 10.4. we will bring you the official decision here in the uk as happens there . you with all happens there. you with all those stories by emailing us to the usual place. vaiews@gbnews.uk first of all, let's bring you up to date with

what's happening around the world with rhiannon jones . first world with rhiannon jones. first off, thank you. good morning. it's 11:02. your top stories it's11:o2. your top stories from the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer has promised to crack down on serious violence and crime in england and wales if labour win the next general election . it's after the election. it's after the conservatives accused them of being soft on crime. sir keir has pledged to halve levels of violence against and girls within a decade . he's also within a decade. he's also announced his party's plan to raise confidence in the police following a report into the met's . the bank of england is met's. the bank of england is expected to raise the intra base rate for the 11th time in a row later. economists are predicting a hike from 4 to 4.25 percentage points. the bank faces a balancing act, reining in inflation and ensuring financial stability . it comes after

stability. it comes after a surprise rise in inflation to 10.4% last month. and the decision the us federal reserve to raise its key rate overnight . aj bell's head of financial .aj bell's head of financial analysis, stanley hewson, says another rise will put yet more pressure . people already pressure. people already struggling , the cost of living struggling, the cost of living crisis. the bank of england has two demonstrate that it is really serious about bringing pnces really serious about bringing prices down for ordinary people . those high prices are just eye—watering at the they're causing a huge of harm. when you go shopping , know causing a huge of harm. when you go shopping, know you're having to pay a little bit more every time and lot of budgets just can't stretch any further . and can't stretch any further. and we'll have full coverage of . the we'll have full coverage of. the bank of england's decision here on gb news from midday. the uk and welsh governments announced two freeports will be created and wales for the first time in and wales for the first time in a bid to boost the country's economy. the celtic and anglesey freeports in north wales are expected to attract almost £5

billion in investment. it's also hoped they'll generate up to 20,000 jobs by the end of the decade. rishi sunak has paid more than £1,000,000 in tax over the last three years. the prime minister's published long awaited personal tax documents. they reveal he paid for £32,000 in tax in the last financial yeah in tax in the last financial year. it follows his commitment. he first made during his tory leadership campaign last summer when asked if he could understand what it's like people struggling to heat their homes. mr. sunak said on the people side , ultimately what people are side, ultimately what people are interested in is what i'm going to do for them. and you know, talk about the cost of living. of course, that's the number priority that i've got, that i'm grappling why grappling with. that's why last year a decision to tax year we took a decision to tax the windfall profits of energy companies with them at 75. companies with tax them at 75. and we're using that money to help people's energy bills. help pay people's energy bills. so the course of this so over the course of this winter and beyond, we're going to paying about £1,500 of to be paying about £1,500 of most people's energy bills.

that's the type of support we're providing to people. and providing to help people. and that people a sense that should give people a sense that should give people a sense that i am on their side. i'm doing can to help doing everything can to help them been charged them. a man has been charged with counts of attempted with two counts of attempted murder after two elderly men were set alight outside . mosques were set alight outside. mosques in and london in birmingham and london mohammed abacha from edgbaston in birmingham will appear is appearing at coventry magistrates court. the 28 year old is alleged to have sprayed the victims before setting them alight in separate incidents . 70 alight in separate incidents. 70 year old mohammed riaz remains , year old mohammed riaz remains, in hospital with severe burns. his face, hands and chest . his face, hands and chest. monday's attack in birmingham . monday's attack in birmingham. the prince of wales will speak with ukrainian refugees and pay tribute to the inspiring humanity of the polish people . humanity of the polish people. on the second day of his surprise visit to the country, prince william laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier in warsaw. he says the trip will allow him to thank troops and underline his support for the people of poland . nicola

people of poland. nicola sturgeon will face her final first minister's questions after more than eight years as head of the scottish government. she announced last month she was stepping down from her role, saying she no longer had the stamina to carry on in the pressured and demanding role . pressured and demanding role. the first minister had said she'd remain in office until her successor is chosen and sirjim successor is chosen and sir jim ratcliffe shape just seem are both expected to submit second improved bids to by manchester united after the deadline line was extended. a cut off of 9 pm. last night had initially p.m. last night had initially been set for the initial sona and banker, the only bidders to have gone public. a first round of bidding took place last month andifs of bidding took place last month and it's understood there are as many eight other potential investors . this is gb news to investors. this is gb news to bnng investors. this is gb news to bring you more as it happens now though, it's back to andrew pierce .

pierce. welcome back it's 1106. so boris welcome back it's1106. so boris johnson could face a formal reprimand he's found to have recklessly misled parliament following the partygate scandal. if suspended from the commons, that would lead to a by—election in his uxbridge seat, which and would i think be the end of his political career. well watching yesterday was our very own political correspondent . he did political correspondent. he did right, didn't he? i think he did just about all right. it definitely wasn't the sort of catastrophe that some of his detractors were hoping for. on some issues, it sounded like he was pretty strong ground. so was on pretty strong ground. so the was trying to build this argument that it should have been obvious to him that rules were being broken. and he rebuffed pretty rebuffed that with a pretty logical that if was so logical argument that if was so obvious it was being obvious that it was being broken, then why would official number photographer be along broken, then why would official nlthear photographer be along broken, then why would official nlthe eventsiotographer be along broken, then why would official nlthe events ?tographer be along broken, then why would official nlthe events ? he'apher be along broken, then why would official nlthe events ? he'aphedide along broken, then why would official nlthe events ? he'aphedid quite; at the events? he also did quite at the events? he also did quite a job of sort of lumping a good job of sort of lumping himself with servants himself in with civil servants and as rather casually said, and as he rather casually said, the current minister essentially saying, was obvious to saying, well, if was obvious to him motion have been obvious to

them as i thought he was on the shakiest ground and he seemed the most ruffled when he was being questioned on why he failed to set the record straight after he'd stood up and said said that all the rules have been followed. the committee seemed prepared to accept that he had made those comments sort of in the heat of the moment and in good faith. but then why hadn't he gone to a parliamentary lawyer for example but then why hadn't he gone to a pa sort1entary lawyer for example but then why hadn't he gone to a pa sort of |tary lawyer for example but then why hadn't he gone to a pa sort of get' lawyer for example but then why hadn't he gone to a pa sort of get aawyer for example but then why hadn't he gone to a pa sort of get a belt r for example but then why hadn't he gone to a pa sort of get a belt and example but then why hadn't he gone to a pa sort of get a belt and braceple to sort of get a belt and brace his answer for whether he had told the truth. so i think told the full truth. so i think as you suggested those as as you suggested in those comments, i think will comments, that i think will be quite difficult to quite difficult for them to prove that deliberately prove that he deliberately misled but this misled parliament. but this charge recklessly misleading, not everything that he not doing everything that he could have done set the could have done to set the record, which is another bar, which a lower and could mean which is a lower and could mean i mean my instinct is and i say this very cautiously that it's possible that as it is a lower bar, it could result in a suspension. but not a ten day suspension. but not a ten day suspension. that's my hunch. and it's a ten day suspension it's only a ten day suspension that would result in the would it? if, say, they recommend

it? but if, say, they recommend five or four days, whatever five days or four days, whatever it if add that then it is, that if add that then goes a vote of the on the goes to a vote of the on the floor of the house of commons. the tories not be wet the tories will not be wet because that's rishi with because that's rishi says with tory suspend the tory mp vote to suspend the former minister. we know that a lot of them hate him. well, that'll be really interesting. i mean, a at play here mean, there's a lot at play here because. plenty of because. yes, plenty of them hate and you see from hate him. and you could see from the small rebellion on the the very small rebellion on the witness a framework yesterday that that much that he doesn't hold that much sway the party. on the sway within the party. on the hand a by—election uxbridge is the last thing the tories need disastrous and the but the majority is only around 7000 and if it got to by—election stage, then it seems pretty likely that bofis then it seems pretty likely that boris johnson would lose it. then it seems pretty likely that boris johnson would lose it . and boris johnson would lose it. and so it might be. cutting off their noses despite their faces to vote for a vote to suspend bofis to vote for a vote to suspend boris if it would result in the end of his parliamentary career, if it resulted in a short suspension, then then think suspension, then then i think it's likely would it's quite likely they would that vote to accept that they would vote to accept the recommendation of the question. will happen, question. i think will happen, but still pretty but that's still pretty humiliating prime humiliating for former prime minister for

minister to be suspended for a day well, absolute. and day or two. well, absolute. and i that even if it doesn't i think that even if it doesn't result a suspension, i think result in a suspension, i think that unedifying that the sort of unedifying spectacle yesterday could well mean end of his his front mean the end of his his front line career in politics. presumably, he wants to find a way to front line politics. way back to front line politics. but these sort of assertions that a leaving party was necessary for work purposes, well, maybe trying to persuade the committee that he genuinely that quite a good sort of that it's quite a good sort of quasi legal and might quasi legal defence and might get on a technicality. get him off on a technicality. but doesn't play well in the but it doesn't play well in the country people were country where people were missing weddings, etc, missing funerals weddings, etc, because felt they weren't because they felt they weren't able do it. felt that able to do it. they felt that the rules precluded them from doing so think it doing it so don't think it played well. whatever whatever the outcome of this the technical outcome of this committee is, there's no body. you see, there's nobody . it's you see, there's nobody. it's very difficult to back boris johnson now because if you lost somebody with covid, you are furious with him because he wasn't obeying the rules, that you were very closely observing. and if you didn't but you were very anti—lockdown you're furious with him for making the rules in first place. and there

was sort of satisfaction was a sort of satisfaction in seeing hoisted his own seeing him hoisted by his own yesterday. it was like i did enjoy the fact that it was holding a mirror to how holding up a mirror to how ludicrous measures ludicrous some of these measures were theatre . so when he were in the theatre. so when he actually said, know, there actually said, you know, there was move into each was a did you move into each other's orbit? we probably did move orbit exactly . or move into each orbit exactly. or tim stanley made the same point in his telegraph analysis this morning. did suggest, well, morning. it did suggest, well, of weren't to have of course, we weren't to have a two metre forcefield around people all the time. well, yes. so why did you put that. that's right. and we can swap pens, but we did take sweet cocktails like, you know, not really supposed to be drinking. oh, i mean, it's. is it harriet harman? of course . cheddar harman? of course. cheddar cheese is last hurrah for her. she's standing down at the next election, well made point. and i agree with her. i would like nothing better than her legacy to be to depose , topple boris to be to depose, topple boris johnson , get him out of johnson, get him out of parliament once and for all. yeah, i agree . did not leave yeah, i agree. did not leave their politics at the door. you know, she's she thinks breathes.

how do i damage the tories? that's harriet. i think that's true. but. but i don't think she did . i think true. but. but i don't think she did. i think on true. but. but i don't think she did . i think on the whole she did. i think on the whole she she was fairer than perhaps some would it was would have expected. it was about harriet harman show. yeah and think that boris's and i think that boris's assertions that committee assertions that the committee was very biased and prejudged i'm not sure if they hit home quite as much as some of his supporters were that they would he he did he didn't he did to say also he didn't accept the criticism by some of his friends that was a kangaroo court. he didn't expression didn't use that expression actually back that actually pulled back from that he was that a he and that was that was a pretty awkward moment because of course that's what jacob rees—mogg had come out and rees—mogg has had come out and said him said to the committee, had him had a bit of a sticky had him on a bit of a sticky wicket, but but yeah, took wicket, but but yeah, he took protection happened the protection what happened to the committee to and local committee to and the local elections. very cautious prediction be given prediction that he will be given he suspended, but it he will be suspended, but it won't day suspension. won't be a ten day suspension. the will vote that the commons will vote that suspension. slap on suspension. it will be a slap on the wrist. but i think we probably seen end of probably have seen the end of bofis probably have seen the end of boris as a frontline boris johnson as a frontline politician, probably . thank you, politician, probably. thank you, olivia. thank you so much.

you've getting in touch, you've been getting in touch, jill has said we loved lockdown . everywhere quiet when you . everywhere was quiet when you went a it was went out for a walk. it was peaceful. the air smelt with no vehicles. it back. we vehicles. we wanted it back. we want it back again. i just do not get why so many people were unable to well, lucky you. unable to cope. well, lucky you. jail the vast jail lucky you. the vast majority don't majority of people don't feel like and says these like that. and tony says these restrictions restrictions were not the of the country. it not the good of the country. it was exercise compliance was an exercise in compliance and says hindsight's a wonderful thing. that's too, of course, richard, just his starmer richard, just ask his starmer how to be no lockdown. and a third a million people have died. would your died. what would your conversation have been about today, know time today, we'll never know time to move do know because move on. what we do know because we didn't lockdown they got we didn't lockdown and they got better than we forget better rates than we forget because there is to be formal because there is to be a formal pubuc because there is to be a formal public think it starts public inquiry i think it starts in ready to do informative in eight ready to do informative step but i guarantee you step three. but i guarantee you it report before next it won't report before the next general election. probably general election. it'll probably be years and it will be five or six years and it will be five or six years and it will be whitewash iraq inquiry. be a whitewash iraq inquiry. 2013 when was the iraq war? 2003. so 40 years? yeah awful . 2003. so 40 years? yeah awful. the amount of taxpayers money spent on these keeps me awake at night. anyway, let us know what

you vaiews@gbnews.uk as you think. vaiews@gbnews.uk as we discussing this we have been discussing this morning, marks three years since britain into that first britain went into that first national lockdown. boris johnson said he was looking us down the intention of keeping families safe, the safe, saying, quote, the critical we do is to critical thing we must do is to stop disease spreading stop the disease spreading between course, between ourselves. of course, it was following an was following in an international consensus lockdown , slower, of course, than the labour party it was following labour party. it was following the chinese communist party. but as we back at that time, as we look back at that time, what a tough for what was a tough time for businesses and families? what lessons learned as lessons have we learned as a nafion? lessons have we learned as a nation? well, joining us now, co—founder of get together association miller. good morning , alan. i think it's fair to say that your life is completely different now than it was three years ago today. how well , good years ago today. how well, good morning is different in so many ways because it looks like the new normal seems to be a of the idea that technocrats of whatever colour whether it's the people who are elected that many of the members don't actually didn't actually want are

currently in the government or the opposition who wanted even more in positions longer and harder. the new normal to be when in doubt regulate restrict not fear. how the public be quiet. we know what's best for you and we're going to do it regardless undemocratically whether that happens . be city whether that happens. be city con with ulez whether happens to be 15 to 20 minute cities or low traffic neighbourhoods funded by a central government implemented by local authorities . i'm by local authorities. i'm frankly this with what's going on with boris johnson at the moment, when we should have been looking at why should never have doneitin looking at why should never have done it in the first place like andy's heck now has done in sweden, many have been disrupted. 7 million, over 7 million waiting on nhs cos million waiting on the nhs cos of lockdown crisis impact across families and education. we see all the destruction and the damages and i think that the pubuc damages and i think that the public fed up with being sidelined and treated with contempt and actually now people are organised at the together association and together decry

and we're launching a new cabinet that will put the government under pressure and the opposition and say, let's put the public the heart of things, technocrats . it's things, not technocrats. it's you formed the two together association result of association as a result of lockdown. tell us what it lockdown. just tell us what it is the association and the sort of organised that are supporting you because it's pretty you alan, because it's a pretty big alliance . yes indeed. so we big alliance. yes indeed. so we on so—called freedom day , that on so—called freedom day, that orwellian term when boris johnson said, oh by the way, it's freedom day and we're going to have vaccine, passports, we work with all sorts of people like for them, that like us. for them, that campaign, for children not to have masks in schools we have to wear masks in schools we work with like the free speech union, all pillars around fundamental freedoms of freedom of speech freedoms to the right , congregate and protest pillars around no lockdowns ever again , around no lockdowns ever again, no restrictions without a cost benefit analysis. so suspending parliamentary scrutiny and ensuring transparency debate and particularly about putting the pubuc particularly about putting the public at the heart of things so not being told that the markets

this or we must that because it's this crisis or that emergency but thinking calmly and rationally about what we need local regional and national democratic where the public is at the heart of things so people can see that together that creation the org alone people be listening to this and thinking oh well this guy must have been in politics for years. must have been local councillor . in politics for years. must have been local councillor. he must in politics for years. must have been been al councillor. he must in politics for years. must have been been having cillor. he must in politics for years. must have been been having politicala must have been having political ambitions of own this time, ambitions of his own this time, three ago. how is that three years ago. how is that entirely untrue? frankly well, i've been involved . the i've been involved. the night—time, sector bars, clubs , night—time, sector bars, clubs, entertainment. nothing would have been further from the truth. actually, i would have been much to have carried on being able to do that and i think the thing is it's a bit like that moment here i stand i can do no other . like that moment here i stand i can do no other. i mean i do think that anyone who is serious about the kind of society we want to live in and freedoms and

watches what's happened in the last years without many of last three years without many of the trends been that for the last of decades, but the last couple of decades, but the last couple of decades, but the last three years, you know, there different way. it's there is a different way. it's not to just this not it doesn't to be just this thing presented with, thing we're presented with, there's opportunity for you thing we're presented with, th

make sure that as the new emergency crisis we being emergency or crisis we being told about comes down the line time we have to do this time we talk. we have to do this . be quiet, sit in the corner. put your hands on the heads that we well, why and how and we say. well, why and how and how common? despite the smears when people like to smear and silence and censor when we've seen with the government organisations spy on citizens organisations to spy on citizens we've seen it with the twitter files spite of all that files in spite of all of that that we say actually we're not going have this we demand and going to have this we demand and insist a free approach that insist on a free approach that puts heart of things and puts us the heart of things and we're going treated with we're going to be treated with contempt anymore. all right thank you all out of bad comms . thank you all out of bad comms. honestly, if you like that . what honestly, if you like that. what alan says there about together association, look them up online and join that you know they're having to self—fund. they're doing this just the most amazing you can hear the passion with which speaks and he's 20 which he speaks and he's 20 years ago since britain sided the to invade iraq. do you the us to invade iraq. do you think we right to do so? think we were right to do so? we're going be talking to a we're going to be talking to a tory who a soldier in the tory mp who was a soldier in the

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and the morning is 1122. you with bev turner and i was on gb news. this is to the point so we're going to find out very soon. bank of england. are they going to interest rates? they to raise interest rates? they rather will liam rather feel they will liam halligan. who a fabulous halligan. who is a fabulous economics he is outside economics editor? he is outside the of england. what do the bank of england. and what do you think ? you say all the right you think? you say all the right things . it you think? you say all the right things. it will be at midday that we'll find out whether or not the bank of england's going for its 11th successive interest rate rise from for probably if it happens . the 4.25. but news it happens. the 4.25. but news if you're on a variable rate mortgage or you've got other variable rate loans pretty good if you're a saver if and it's a big if sometimes the banks pass those interest rate rises on to savers. the bank of england behind really is on the horns of a dilemma. there are nine economists on its monetary policy committee that decides interest rates, including the

bank. interest rates, including the bank . england governor andrew bank. england governor andrew bailey. on the one hand, we've just seen inflation surprisingly go just seen inflation surprisingly 9° up just seen inflation surprisingly go up from 10.1 to 10.4. the latest figures for february, which came out this week , on the which came out this week, on the other hand, do they really want to raise interest because that could rattle financial markets and unearth some more of those banking that we want to avoid 2008 style panics? it's difficult, but at least as far as the bank of england's concerned, if it does want to raise rates that might see federal reserve, the us central bank raised its interest rates yesterday . inflation in the us yesterday. inflation in the us is much lower. so if yesterday. inflation in the us is much lower . so if the yesterday. inflation in the us is much lower. so if the us has raised its interest rates, i think the bank of england in all probability follow suit. probability will follow suit. andrew liam, i know , you know, andrew liam, i know, you know, an independent financial advisor that's a slightly different job, but let ask you this one question within the realms of your how is your significant powers? we these interest powers? we see these interest rate rises . you mentioned that rate rises. you mentioned that why aren't many banks passing those in savings accounts? is

those on in savings accounts? is that completely at their discretion to they do so discretion to whether they do so 7 discretion to whether they do so ? it is at their discretion because it's marketplace. and guess what? our banking sector certainly in terms of the high street banks isn't very there's a smaller number of banks than they used to be, so they don't have to pass the rate rises. another reason is that a lot banks have lost money, they've bought government bonds . the bought government bonds. the price of those bonds has fallen as interest rates have risen, weakened their balance . so on weakened their balance. so on the one hand, the bank of england's interest rates banks should be offering more interest rates benefits to savers . on the rates benefits to savers. on the other hand, the banks will say that their sheets are weak. look the end. it comes to down competition. and one of the big problems in my is that our high street banking sector isn't very competitive. so consumers always get the best deal. yeah absolutely. all right. thank you . thanks so much. my mortgage up for renewal at the moment.

that's not good. and i'm in a massive dilemma about whether i go on a fixed right now or with variable rate. and i'm sure i'm not alone in that. and i genuinely don't know what to do well, because inflation is going fall. thought it's meant to fall. we thought it's meant to be down 2.9, but it be coming down to 2.9, but it actually went up last year. so who knows? now it's a 20th anniversary the iraq war. anniversary of the iraq war. tony led into that tony blair led us into that conflict with united states conflict with the united states we're now. till i say by we're doing now. till i say by the mp, former army officer adam holloway, who served in the first gulf war and in the second gulf war, was a journalist. adam morning to you. most people would now say the gulf war was a terrible mistake by british government . well, of course it government. well, of course it i mean, not just in terms of the british lives lost, but also in terms of the iraqi population. the iraqi civil alien population. i mean, i remember couple of years after after the war flying in a helicopter from from from the airport into green zonein from from the airport into green zone in baghdad.

from from the airport into green zone in baghdad . and this just zone in baghdad. and this just flying very low over the rooftops. this is tragic underneath of streets kind of blocked off with cars and barricades and literally neighbours just protecting their neighbourhoods because we unimaginable insecurity because basically. we had no idea what we were doing when the war ended . that was one of the big criticisms, wasn't adam, that there was no full planning about what came after the war. the dictator was toppled , executed, dictator was toppled, executed, but no democracy took its place . yeah, i mean, i rememberi but no democracy took its place . yeah, i mean, i remember i was sort of one of the first people into the city of mosul when it collapsed. and i went sort of early in the morning and there were bodies on the streets of sort of saddam, people who'd been who'd been killed there were jets coming that were american jets coming that was just anarchy, looting . was just anarchy, looting. remember all this crowd of people just incubators out of a hospital , looted, looting, hospital, looted, looting, stuff, and then i went to the iraqi sort of police general. a

lot of saddam lookalikes and. and he said to me, look, if you've seen the americans, which i was about to go and do, you said, can you get them to come up here give me my up here to give me my instruction as to what they want to which was an astonishing to do, which was an astonishing thing in itself the iraqi thing in itself for the iraqi general. so to say and i went down and i found this american colonel. i did my business with him. and then i said, look, the iraqi saddam look alike wants to see you to get know what you guys want to do. and he guys want them to do. and he said, you know tell him said, you know you can tell him to go and himself at that to go and himself and at that point i realised that we had a real problem emerging and then of course we, we de—baathification. so we took everyone been to saddam's party out . so you basically would move out. so you basically would move from jobs the entire army and police ? pretty much so. i guess police? pretty much so. i guess what had anarchy and you know , what had anarchy and you know, it was it was our fault that we just not think this through . but just not think this through. but the people who paid the price british and coalition troops ,

british and coalition troops, mostly the iraqi population. adam i don't know where you are today , but that looks very much today, but that looks very much like a portrait of saddam hussein, a behind you and is thatis hussein, a behind you and is that is that correct is that your house? this is indeed my house. yes i'm looking after it for a friend. how shall i put it okay. and what? just tell you the significance for you of having the picture on the wall in the house so it was really interesting. i mean , i say i was interesting. i mean, i say i was interesting. i mean, i say i was in the war in 1991, but that i was back as a correspondent in 2003. and it was really interesting because as i drove iraq, you know, with some of your colleagues. indeed. and finally made it to saddam's town, and i realised that there was not a single intact picture of saddam because the population had just smashed them soon as they were able to the only intact picture i found was in his secret police headquarters

in his home city of tikrit. but, you know, on day , day two, the you know, on day, day two, the civilian was still thought to terrify size to go into say, you know, i look at the picture , i know, i look at the picture, i look at a picture of saddam and i say, you know, this guy was in a one, you know, however you want to put it. you know, i can dictate , etc, etc. but truth is, dictate, etc, etc. but truth is, i make no apology for his rule, but he kept the balance. sunni and shia and what happened in our massive near corner ignorance. we went in there , we ignorance. we went in there, we smashed down the existing structures as we were later to do in afghanistan and we know from both these wars that really didn't work very well. and as i've said twice already, the who paid were coalition troops but mostly the civilian populations of these countries. i mean that i think has been a tragedy and a disaster . and i think we could disaster. and i think we could take you to libya to britain and france got involved that gadhafi was toppled. is libya where he's

in a better place? it's a complete basket . and do you complete basket. and do you think, adam, if i ask you as well, the iraq war, is it responsible for the huge conflict? and terrorism that we've seen as a in the middle east in the last 20 years? of course, it look , on 911, there course, it look, on 911, there were lots pictures of people burning american flags and things in the middle east, but actually the reality was that i would say the vast, vast majority of the muslim world were deeply to the tragedy that had befallen those poor people in the twin towers and on those planes, including many muslims . planes, including many muslims. and at the time, al—qaeda were these crazy people crying out there in the wilderness, out there in the wilderness, out there on the cyberspace saying that the americans and the west wanted to kill muslims and steal natural resources? well, guess what? those neocons reaction totally out of proportion to reaction to the event , not out reaction to the event, not out of proportion, but incorrect to the events of 911, actually

reinforced bin laden's narrative that the west wanted to kill muslims, take their natural resources. so what did is we it was like a cancer. rather than cut the cancer out, we smashed it and put little bits of it right across the world. and that's what still paying the price for now. fascinating fascinating. adam holloway, good to talk you all day. thank you so much forjoining us. thank you. conservative mp for grayson is great, isn't he? for in the first four short there is a journalist too and he's on the right side of the argument because that war was a wicked mistake. come. more mistake. right. still come. more than half of britons believe that smartphones are that they're smartphones are spying on them. only half will find after news of the rihanna . find after news of the rihanna. good morning. it's 1132. find after news of the rihanna. good morning. it's1132. your top stories from the gb newsroom. the bank of england is widely expected to raise the interest base rate for the 11th time in a row are predicting a hike from 4 to 4.25 percentage

points. the bank faces a balancing act between in inflation and ensuring stability. it comes after a surprise rise in inflation to 10.4% last month and. the decision by the us federal reserve to raise its key rate overnight . we'll have full overnight. we'll have full coverage of . the bank of coverage of. the bank of england's decision here on giving in the next half hour. sir keir starmer promised to make britain's streets safe again if . make britain's streets safe again if. labour wins the next general election . he's pledged general election. he's pledged for targets to modernise british policing in england and wales in the next ten years. they include halving levels of violence against, women and girls and knife crime . it's after the knife crime. it's after the conservatives accuse labour of being soft crime. confident is everything . it's what? effective everything. it's what? effective visible, open minded policing can provide for the communities that it serves. and as we've seen this week, it's what bad

policing destroys . so let me be policing destroys. so let me be very the next labour government will modernise british policing . sir keir also said he'll aim to publish his tax returns later on today. that's after the prime minister published his yesterday . rishi sunak's accounts show he more than £1,000,000 in tax over the last three years and the prince of wales has laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier warsaw. on the second day of his surprise visit to poland. prince william's spoken with ukrainian refugees , spoken with ukrainian refugees, paid tribute to the inspiring of the polish people . he says the the polish people. he says the trips allowed him to thank troops and underline his support for poland. tv online dab digital and tune in radio is gb news. now back to bevan. andre . news. now back to bevan. andre. good morning. so rishi sunak as

of yesterday . i didn't know that of yesterday. i didn't know that until you said that this morning. passed me by with all the news going, but that was probably the point, rishi probably the point, right? rishi sunak return . sunak published his tax return. meanwhile, says meanwhile, keir starmer says he's to publish his today. he's going to publish his today. more on that a bit

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good morning. it's 1130 good morning. it's1130 andrew pierce. stop enough to bring the column alive. you're on the telly gossiping , i guess . right. telly gossiping, i guess. right. so i'm list is also. hey we were being much more behaved on this side of the table when we said we want to go. we knew we were on the right. what we're talking about first, carol, inflation frenzy . oh, oh, yes. i don't frenzy. oh, oh, yes. i don't know if it's helping. let's do that. because over of the week. so this is good because the bank interest due to go up interest rate is due to go up today. this by 0.2 5. we think this is to combat because rate inflation has gone up . it's

inflation has gone up. it's saying it's been unexpectedly because they're saying it's because they're saying it's because of the food the rising food prices . vegetables food prices. vegetables particularly a couple of weeks ago. now, this is going to hit households really hard because, you know, they were told a few days ago they were going to say hundred quid. and now that the energy prices gone down a little bit, this is going to take it away again because this is going to be a on an average mortgage, 150 grand. that's going an 150 grand. that's going to be an extra year. so that's not extra 375 a year. so that's not the they had the end the saving they had the end that's going to hit them. but, you know, don't what you you know, i don't know what you guys i i'm looking at guys think, but i i'm looking at what's happening in supermarkets and it's making me furious because think that because i think i think that i don't believe that prices going up don't believe that prices going ”p by don't believe that prices going up by 25, 28% is to do with anything . you suspect it's anything. you suspect it's a cartel? i think it's cartel. you know, little analogy . they're know, little analogy. they're the ones that got the most because they have the most they're the cheapest. the star was 25% already and then 22. the rest of the average is 16. you go to buy a top a bottle now you

need a mortgage for it. this £5 something. i'm thinking , my god. something. i'm thinking, my god. so they are profiteering . i so they are profiteering. i think the government has to put a shot across balance. i think. well, they've done it with banks. but supermarkets much more powerful. are you more powerful. they are you know, know historically the know, we know historically the supermarkets got huge supermarkets have got huge amounts know, poor amounts of pound you know, poor farmers was the milk . amounts of pound you know, poor farmers was the milk. milk farmers that was the milk. milk to them. yeah you know, it's really it's really difficult because obviously there's a few small number of big supermarkets and they really control what we pay - and they really control what we pay . you've got a thing in your pay. you've got a thing in your paper today talking about the extent which is affecting extent to which is affecting people's mental health. i mean, it sounds an exaggeration. we use that phrase, don't a bit too liberally these days mental but it's really stressful trying shop for the kids. it is and if you you're on a fixed income and the price is just going up, every time you go for you shop, you you're worried that you know, you're worried that when to table, you when you get to table, you actually enough to actually don't have enough to cover that isn't cover the bill. and that isn't about stressful. and about easing be stressful. and of a of people, of course, a lot of people, older have savings. yeah. older people have savings. yeah. isn't funny that the mortgage isn't it funny that the mortgage rate always up really quickly.

yeah. rate up yeah. the card rate goes up really there's the really quickly, but there's the saving your account saving rates and your account very, and but they're very, very low and but they're also as that there's also saying as well that there's this also that fuel this hike might also that fuel pnces this hike might also that fuel prices are going to go. what they've just come down a bit. we've just kind of come down we've all just kind of come down by a few pennies. they're going to shoot again, not to shoot up again, not necessarily, i think, but i just think getting ripped all think we're getting ripped all and we are weight and and we are on weight and everyone say, oh, it's a and everyone say, oh, it's a cut and we powerless. we. yeah, we feel powerless. we. yeah, that's the trouble. and got mp yesterday grilling the former prime minister hours what prime minister for 3 hours what people back were people watching this back were really concerned about living crisis course yeah i mean we crisis of course yeah i mean we knew it further knew well boris it further and to aren't going to be to people who aren't going to be bothered the cost of living bothered by the cost of living crisis of course rishi sunak and keir yesterday see keir starmer so yesterday see not released return so not released his tax return so as keir starmer is now as a result keir starmer is now going to do his he should have doneit going to do his he should have done it first if he wants to go and collect political capital from it. yeah yeah yeah possibly but i suspect he's maybe more bonng but i suspect he's maybe more boring but you know obviously we have this very interesting time in buying in it's that we've been asking for months when are

you going to put out these tax that promised. every day that you promised. and every day we kind of oh, it'll be we get this kind of oh, it'll be savings. we'll be. and then what do we a day of boris do we see on a day of boris johnson being grilled? big brexit is these other brexit vote is all these other things going on they and things going on they try and slip this. now, what was the expression a good day expression at famous a good day to yeah, of to bury bad news? yeah, of course didn't pay a tax. course i didn't pay a of tax. yeah, he he paid in tax. what most of us dream of earning in an entire lifetime. yeah. and he paid that money. but why would you he get away with this? you think he get away with this? well, you've got do it at some point so but the transparency so what he's doing did it it what he's doing is did it it wasn't meeting okay guess wasn't meeting the okay i guess but thing that i we've but the other thing that i we've got defend people who are got to defend people who are rich and successful having an pubuc rich and successful having an public and political. yeah we be concerned that sunak is concerned that rishi sunak is rich course the criticism rich but of course the criticism labour is all the time. how labour make is all the time. how can have comprehension of can it have comprehension of people struggling to? you know, i don't mind if a is rich as long as he small and he knows what he's doing and she and you know sunak's proved is a small guy he he came to this country

with not very much and made a fortune. and i think that's fine . but labour's attack on him always about his money always is. it's about his money is the of his coffee is about the price of his coffee cup. it's about price his cup. it's about the price his trainer they're about trainer they're talking about how suits are. how expensive these suits are. well, what they expect well, yeah. what are they expect the wear, should the guy should he wear, should wear suit from. you i wear a suit from. you know i don't marks a 90 quid suit remarks as opposed to the one he can afford. no he can afford. no course he shouldn't but same token shouldn't but by the same token he you know i think he should you know i think i think he's doing okay and never thought a thing that i think is doing okay at the moment. they to have got their act together in the last. yeah there's been a significant shift in the last few weeks where actually everyone before everyone was saying before everyone's what this everyone was saying before everabout, what this everyone was saying before everabout, we what this everyone was saying before everabout, we didn't what this everyone was saying before everabout, we didn't hear this everyone was saying before everabout, we didn't hear from guy about, we didn't hear from him. we never really see him. what is he about then in the last weeks with the brexit last few weeks with the brexit deal last few weeks with the brexit deal, yeah. deal, the boats. yeah yeah. hugely and you know hugely popular and you know people to hang people are starting to say hang on a minute, you know, is he actually. yeah. and i saw a poll somewhere saying somewhere today saying suggesting are using suggesting that people are using the of the tory the incompetence of the tory government in the past tense. the people now says that things

are getting . is there a lot of are getting. is there a lot of time that appears before the election is next october or , election is next october or, november, i would think. but i think if got people in the red wall who voted for boris, they generally don't want to vote for starmer. so if rishi is a viable alternative , you know, who alternative, you know, who knows? they may well . and if you knows? they may well. and if you just want stop the boats just want to just stop the boats or significantly bring down the numbers will be numbers he's got, that will be the and he that the big piece and he does that you'll get red wall, which you'll get the red wall, which what it's a game changer. yes. it's completely game change. i think it's the number one issue along with i think it is. i mean, you know, labour are trying at every turn trying to stop at every turn other all the human rights lawyers and everyone else. but this little bit this feels a little bit different me. this this kind different to me. this this kind of know every i talk of you know every time i talk about the rwanda players about the so the rwanda players are never going to go off. it's never to happen. but never going to happen. but actually, feeling it actually, i have a feeling it just especially this week just might, especially this week when that would. when they said that they would. the aca, john. the rulings of the aca, john. right. you know, know, right. so, you know, you know, we all those when you of we all of those when you of sitting chatting about sitting chatting your mum about kitchen tiles then next thing you phone your adverts about

kitchen you what? kitchen tiles and you go what? how happen. do read how did that happen. do you read my it, turns out no, my mind. well it, turns out no, it's listening you. and it's just listening to you. and it's just listening to you. and it is snooping on you. what's going, sam? 50% of said going, sam? 50% of people said they that the phones they suspected that the phones were them. yeah were listening to them. yeah honest. am totally honest. and i am totally convinced have convinced is happening. i have all the highest all my seconds on the highest privacy i'm really privacy settings. i'm really paranoid, all this stuff and actually having this actually i almost having this happen and we've got my happen to me and we've got my partner separate partner and i have separate computer we're not computer account. we're not unked computer account. we're not linked way on our linked in any way on our computers. i when he computers. yeah i know when he is shopping for a new pair of shoes because the adverts pop like, yeah , well just be like, yeah, well just be mindful, that's all. he's like, so , i find that really so yeah, i find that really sinister. and i say , if you been sinister. and i say, if you been looking at shoes again and, he's like, how do you know? and i'm like, how do you know? and i'm like, because all your are like, because all your bets are popping i like, because all your bets are popping i said, popping up on my table. i said, my popping up on my table. i said, my do this alexa thing. my people do this alexa thing. yeah, what? this alexis you know how you sound? sam, how old you sound? oh sam, because guy. i just. because i am old guy. ijust. oh, no, no, no. what disturbs me opposite god. there's opposite old as god. but there's a thing this palm, this which says is why so many apps says this is why so many apps ask users permission to ask for the users permission to access the microphone. when access the microphone. now, when

i i mean i read that today, i mean i understand that you have no understand that you will have no clue means because you clue what that means because you don't any apps to, you don't have any apps to, you know. but that makes sense as. well, they can listen you well, they can listen if you have your microphone. yeah, i'm always thing. if it's always in that thing. if it's about cookies. when you hit that thing it thing about cookies what does it mean, me to keep mean, it makes me to keep everything do. it then give everything you do. it then give you yeah. so you you the app. so yeah. so you should no to the correct. should say no to the correct. but life is short. reject all the many. but then it will make it for in in it difficult for you in the in the efforts under the guise the efforts of under the guise of convenience. think we of convenience. yeah. i think we accept it. it is sad actually that you so good at a lot of things . you are just terrible . things. you are just terrible. you know, my partner is much the same . yeah. no, your partner's same. yeah. no, your partner's much better than me. but you know what? you know the, drive of tech is to. i was chinese a guy in the pub on friday night. lovely, gary. he has no bank account. it has no email, he has no internet he has no smartphone. he's only 65. and he said i can no longer really function . i can't fix anything function. i can't fix anything local time with my car because i can't pay for it. yeah, of

course. and he said and i was obviously mouth and go and you know even go a bank account and he said there are millions us. yeah say because yeah yeah say that because i tried to do an app on a parking thing other week still thing other week say we still have go so these banks want have to go so these banks want to rid of cash. we've got to to get rid of cash. we've got to resist yeah. do a lot. yeah. resist it. yeah. do a lot. yeah. and. oh resist it. yeah. do a lot. yeah. and. oh i resist it. yeah. do a lot. yeah. and. oh i see. i use cash. i don't do that but i really think we need to cash because actually a lot of, i certainly know my, my cash only mum and you my dad is cash only mum and you know, the whole and he know, on the whole and he despairs at me never any cash but a lot of people are cash only. yes. and it's really hard for because can book it for people because can book it with yeah. but what i did with cash. yeah. but what i did write something says write something the bishop says to you, don't take cash. can to you, we don't take cash. can you well, know, you you say, well, you know, you have can you that. i don't have to can you that. i don't think you can. i business elsewhere it's legal tender. elsewhere but it's legal tender. how can they refuse they see that's inspired the that's what inspired the conversation gary in conversation with little gary in the story by his time the box, a story by his time with a five year note. and i thought, oh, that's so interesting. and then to interesting. and then i said to him, did you get your news, him, why did you get your news, gary? and guess what? i said, i a little channel called i is

a little channel called gv, i is a little channel called gv, i is a gary that's a little dead gary that's a little where we have people like. karen in santa monica writing time thanking let's writing at a time thanking let's see next week up next week, see you next week up next week, right. we've come to the end of our show, gb news live with mark longhurst is going to be next. a big for interest rates. big day for interest rates. we'll monday, 930. we'll see you monday, 930. hello, i'm alex deakin . this is hello, i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather forecast from the match office. a blustery, boisterous day out there. gusty winds bringing in plenty of heavy showers between the downpours. there will be some but nowhere immune from the downpours. this area of low pressure responsible. there's also little wiggle of a waving also a little wiggle of a waving weather front pushing up from the south that will bring some more rain later across southern areas and increasing the cloud through the afternoon here. so any sunny spells will be fairly hazy then. lots of showers in northern ireland, northern england, north wales no thunderstorm possible . not as thunderstorm is possible. not as many showers over northern scotland, although the northern isles, like to stay fairly cloudy with some outbreaks of rain. winds a little lighter rain. the winds a little lighter

in well. but in the north as well. but elsewhere, a blustery day, elsewhere, it's a blustery day, but quite mild . but it is quite mild. temperatures could still reach 14 celsius when the sun is 14 or 15 celsius when the sun is out we'll bit more in the out. we'll see a bit more in the way rain coming into southern way of rain coming into southern counties evening. counties through this evening. may midlands a may get into the midlands for a time that will persistent rain before clearing way through east anglia we're to more anglia. then we're back to more showers later in the night, chiefly for scotland, ireland and england with areas and northern england with areas becoming and clear a bit becoming drier and clear a bit of a fresh night, but still temperatures mostly staying in mid single figures. temperatures mostly staying in mid single figures . on to mid single figures. on to friday's details and again it's a case of sunshine and showers quite a bit of sunshine early on over the midlands and east of england generally start here but there'll be elsewhere there'll be showers elsewhere slow showers across slow moving showers across northern further south the northern parts further south the showers will brush brush fairly rapidly on a stiff, gusty winds. again between the showers, the sun will pop out and that'll lift the temperatures into the teens in the south 10 to 12. further north, the showery weather will continue during friday evening. notice the circulation here. that's where the pressure moving to bring

the low pressure moving to bring in. lots of showers on friday night across northern ireland and western scotland as that low starts to pull away , it does starts to pull away, it does look a little drier as we go through the weekend. setting sun dner through the weekend. setting sun drier and it's drier than saturday. and it's also going to turn colder .

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you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments. shortly the bank of england will be revealing . they're increasing be revealing. they're increasing the base rate again . it would be the base rate again. it would be the base rate again. it would be the 11th consecutive rise. and this time it's an even more difficult call for the rate setters of the monetary committee. a shock rise , the committee. a shock rise, the inflation rate to 10.4% this week indicates they still have to bear down on prices . but

to bear down on prices. but problems in the international banking sector three so far having to be rescued are , being having to be rescued are, being blamed on the strains imposed by ever higher interest rates . ever higher interest rates. well, last night, america's central bank, the federal reserve, raised its rates by a quarter of a% but indicated it may soon call on any further hikes. so where the fed leads, the bank of england follows will be live at the shortly with them but also let's update you on breaking news coming with junior doctors belonging the british medical association just announcing they will be back on strike for four days between apnl strike for four days between april 11th strike for four days between april11th and the 15th. that's just being announced. they had been holding talks. health secretary steve barclay yesterday. but it appears that's broken with indications they're still pressing for a 35% pay rise. we'll be doing the sums on that too . yeah. on gb news life that too. yeah. on gb news life . so the bank of england about

to make that decision on whether to make that decision on whether to raise the base rate for the 11th consecutive time. it's at 4% at the moment to remind you. let's bring in the old lady threadneedle street and liam halligan at the bank of england just to set the scene for us, because you're not an old man by any means. however, the old lady behind you may still have a few teeth to actually get hold of inflation. a i like what you did there, mark yeah. hey, i am down in the heart of city of london. the bank of england, just behind me, the royal exchange over the other show . there we have the other show. there we have the bank of england about to release its latest interest rate decision. we're expect saying, i think in all probability rise from 4% to four and a quarter% as you say, it would be the 11th successive rise in interest rates by the bank of england's monetary policy committee . if monetary policy committee. if there's more, if the interest

does go up by a quarter of a cent 25 basis points, as we say , that's likely to add up. i'm afraid about 350 quid, two payments on a mortgage, a variable rate mortgage of about £200,000. that's £350 per year. more in on your average mortgage of £200,000. if the bank of england does raise interest rates at noon, which is just a few minutes . and of course, it's few minutes. and of course, it's in addition the pain everyone's feeling with the cost of living crisis these recent 10.4% inflation rate where you know gross the staples in the food basket ever higher so people are hurting from that and that's the reason why the bank would be pushed to increase interest rates further . it seems so rates further. it seems so counter , doesn't it? it seems to counter, doesn't it? it seems to lack all logic, but economics is sometimes like that, especially

when you're on the receiving end of policy decisions as made by people often behind closed doors. of course we just saw earlier this week inflation go up in the uk in february , the up in the uk in february, the consumer price index , a basket consumer price index, a basket of goods was price 10.4% up on the same month in 2020 to that's up from 10.1% in january . up from 10.1% in january. thought inflation would come down. it's a single digits. it didn't happen . and that does put didn't happen. and that does put the bank of england on the horns of a dilemma because the bank will to be seen respond will want to be seen to respond by pressing on household , by pressing down on household, by pressing down on household, by pressing down on household, by pressing down on investment by pressing down on investment by firms in order to keep a lid on those price rises. on the other hand, of course, we have all these jitters, as you said in your introduction , mark, on in your introduction, mark, on global financial markets, we have banks falling over, including systemically important banks like , credit suisse in banks like, credit suisse in switzerland , we've now got a switzerland, we've now got a bankin switzerland, we've now got a bank in switzerland , the credit bank in switzerland, the credit suisse, ubs merged bank that's

bigger than the whole economy of switzerland . so there's trouble switzerland. so there's trouble in some parts of the global banking system to raise interest rates while markets are jittery is something that the bank think hard about doing before it goes ahead with it . hard about doing before it goes ahead with it. but as you hard about doing before it goes ahead with it . but as you say, ahead with it. but as you say, the mighty federal in the us, they just raised interest rates overnight and so the bank of england feel it's got some kind of cover . so i do think in all of cover. so i do think in all probability , unfortunately if probability, unfortunately if you're a mortgage holder, the good news, if you're a saver and the bank's passed the interest rate on, the high street banks, i think we're to see i don't think we're going to see an rate rise to 4.25, an interest rate rise to 4.25, pretty much any and i'll be springing news to you over the sound of the drilling just in front of thing . well hopefully front of thing. well hopefully we'll be able to hear you but as you said, the fed has moved in the states we normally follow that lead. but it's interesting . they're indicating that, you know, they may time on any further rate hikes for a while because of these worries about

the banking sector and get the bank of england later talking about what they're outlook is and whether in fact, this could be topping out. now where the fourth quarter % could be it and fourth quarter% could be it and then rates start to fall from here on in. i think that's right. we've got to remember, of course, in america, they've really their arms around inflation in america, inflation inflation in america, inflation in america , the headline rate in america, the headline rate equivalent. so our consumer price index, right. mark is that down at 6. so quite a lot lower than it has here in the uk. but still, the federal reserve wanted to put in more i agree with is probably a final rate rise in this in order to really indicate that inflation is going to be stamped on and they're not going to stand for it in order to what we say in economics bear down on those inflation expectations. so wage claims are lower and you don't get price rises locked into supply . i rises locked into supply. i think here in the uk as as long as we see inflation come in

march and think we will as long as we see that then i think the bank of england like the fed will make this its last interest rate rise which will come as some relief. so mortgage holders out there . yeah, because out there. yeah, because obviously a lot of people try and do their sums although it's interesting that fixed mortgages are declining are actually declining they're coming down a little bit but even though well above 5% the even though well above 5% at the moment so as you say you're adding hundreds pounds every adding hundreds of pounds every month people having pay month to people having to pay out income, of course, to out of tax income, of course, to get mortgage paid . those get the mortgage paid. those mortgage rates are coming down, mark, even though rates are going up because the mortgage companies, they tend to look where interest rates are going to go and where inflation is going to go . they sort of move going to go. they sort of move to where the puck is going to end up rather than where the puck currently is . use an puck currently is. use an analogy by that canadian ice skating legend wayne gretzky that's often used in economics . that's often used in economics. but so lots of people, you know, i know in my own life i'm stopped in the