well, hello, that is 6:00 on michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co on your screens and in your radio right through till 7:00 tonight. now, paris is on fire much of france. what do you make of this? have you seen it all going on? it's all stems from the fact that macron changed the pension age without a vote . and there's lots of talk a vote. and there's lots of talk that over here in this country, the pension age should indeed be in creased, should it towards . in creased, should it towards. when your thoughts and of course are king, he's cancelled his visit to france. was that the right decision for safety or is

it giving a message to those protesters that actually setting your city on fire wins ? tricky. your city on fire wins? tricky. your thoughts on that and this whole kind of debacle about releasing tax returns, which i don't agree with , but what do don't agree with, but what do you make to it all? it's created a debate, hasn't it, about whether or not wealth should be taxed the same as wages. should it ? your thoughts and ofsted it? your thoughts and ofsted inspections? are they into man? that's what it's been called recently because of the tragic suicide of a head teacher who had the one of the lowest ratings you could get. is it time to scrap the school inspections ? and do you see the inspections? and do you see the ridiculousness ? today, the group ridiculousness? today, the group of lawyers that have to signed a declaration of conscience. you what it basically means that they've now decided they will refuse to prosecute climate activists. give me a break. when should political views ever be able to hinder help , anything

able to hinder help, anything impact the professional activities of lawyers? what would that mean to our legal system? it's all wrong if you ask me . and i've got a barrister ask me. and i've got a barrister on tonight as well. no other than alex staines. i'll be interested in his thoughts as well . of course, alongside interested in his thoughts as well. of course, alongside him, paul embry we'll get into all paul embry so we'll get into all of that and more. but before we do, let's ourselves do, sir, let's bring ourselves up with the headlines up to speed with the headlines from tatiana sanchez . michelle, from tatiana sanchez. michelle, thank you and good evening . this thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the first state visit of king charles to france has been postponed because of protests across the country . protests across the country. tens of thousands of people have been demonstrating against the government's plan to raise the pension age from 62 to 64. the king was due to arrive on sunday as part of a weeklong trip to europe. the french president, emmanuel macron, has suggested the new date for that visit will be in the early summer. the

windsor framework has now been formally adopted by both the eu and the uk. the foreign secretary and european commission chair to meeting earlier to sign off the post—brexit trade agreement . post—brexit trade agreement. that's after mp has voted in favour of the stormont brake despite continued opposition from the dup's james cleverly told maros sefcovic he's grateful for his help . this is grateful for his help. this is not the corporate francs of the british government, this is the personal thanks of me, james cleverly to you, maros sefcovic , for the for the commitment that you have put in and of course, the work that has been done by your wider team in getting us to what is a really good place that i am . we are good place that i am. we are genuinely grateful and i want to appreciate and respect to each and every one of you around, around the table, because you've been working tirelessly and in the spirit of what is possible and what we can do while the

people and businesses in northern ireland will now benefit from lasting certainty and predictability , the eu and and predictability, the eu and uk can, and i'm convinced will explore the full potential of the trade and cooperation agreement . the prime minister agreement. the prime minister has stressed the importance of upholding democrat values at a meeting with his israeli counterpart benjamin netanyahu , counterpart benjamin netanyahu, who is in london. as thousands rally in israel and here against a law that's been approved by his right wing coalition critics say it's designed to shield him from his corruption trial. rishi sunak also called for a de—escalation of tensions in the west bank , well outside downing west bank, well outside downing street , demonstrators describe street, demonstrators describe netanyahu's controversial reforms as unacceptable. we find it utterly unacceptable. israel does not have checks and balances like the us. it does not have another chamber of parliament like britain . it is parliament like britain. it is just about one parliament. this

government basically works days and nights to make sure that women will not hold any powerful positions , that just erasing positions, that just erasing women from public spaces . the women from public spaces. the situation in israel is that non—elected judges can make the law. it's unlike the united states. i'm not uk and all but the reform judicial reform wants to do is to restore the balance . security guards at heathrow airport will go ahead with strikes over the easter holiday after talks over pay have failed . the airport says it has contingency plans in place to deal with the ten day walkout by unite members and keep it running as normal . heathrow says running as normal. heathrow says they've offered a 10% pay increase to its workers . the bbc increase to its workers. the bbc says it raised concerns about the recruitment of richard sharpe before he was appointed as the corporation's chair in 2020. the former bbc chair, sir david clement, 2020. the former bbc chair, sir david clement , wrote to the david clement, wrote to the government about its involved ment in appointing his successor . he said even before the job

had been advertised, the government, within discussions with the preferred candidate, including about salary. mr. sharpe is facing mounting pressure to resign after it emerged he helped former prime minister boris johnson secure an £800,000 loan . ofsted says £800,000 loan. ofsted says school inspections will continue. that's despite calls from teaching unions for them to be suspended. three unions say they should be paused while a review is carried out. it's after head teacher ruth perry took her own life in january whilst awaiting her school report. the ofsted chief says that wouldn't be in the best interest of the children. hattie archer sophie greenaway says the mental health of staff should be a priority before staff cannot be in vain. ruth death has got to lead to change. it can't just be that ofsted say , oh, we'll be that ofsted say, oh, we'll have to think about the single word judgement or that might be a good idea. that's brilliant. yes, we would love conversations

about that. that needs to happen. but that can't be the only thing. and sympathy for the family is not the only thing. they change and so do we. they want change and so do we. and the premier league has referred everton to an independent commission to question reported losses over. £370 million. everton has lost dunng £370 million. everton has lost during the 2020 122 season breaches the league's profit and financial sustainability rules, allowing clubs to lose a maximum of £105 million over a three year period or face sanctions . year period or face sanctions. tv online , derby plus radio and tv online, derby plus radio and on tune in this is giving us that was back to the show . that was back to the show. thanks for that tornado alarm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside side me alex

dean.the tonight alongside side me alex dean. the political consultant and the man the can down a pint faster than anyone i've ever encountered . and i'm from encountered. and i'm from holland. i've encountered a lot of men and a lot of partners so thatis of men and a lot of partners so that is saying something anywhere alongside him. we've got paul andre the writer five man and brought pasta and also alex, you are a man of many talents , not just pints, talents, not just pints, shopping times . you're shopping times. you're a barrister as well. yeah, i haven't practise for a long time. don't you worry about that. a skill is always a skill and that skill will come in handy towards the end of the programme. because i want to ask you guys at home, have you seen the lunacy? that's what i'm calling it. anyway, of all of these leftie lawyers have come together basically together now basically and said that prosecute that they won't prosecute the climate i think climate activist he was. i think that's disgraceful , quite that's pretty disgraceful, quite frankly, you frankly, because where do you draw line then? you know, draw the line then? you know, what you tell me? is there a line? who decides they all should? you just to be should? you just have to be a professional . i represent anyone professional. i represent anyone , whoever that is, whatever they've done. your thoughts on all of that? get in touch.

vaiews@gbnews.uk is the email where you can tweet me at gb news. lots of you are in touch. just seem a little hand over with patrick saying that was a good whistle. i have to good wolf whistle. i have got to ask can i repeat it on my ask me, can i repeat it on my programme? no i cannot . if programme? no i cannot. if you've missed it, what can i say? you were really missed out. but charlie just tweeted me. say, michelle, how do teach say, michelle, how do i teach my children that way? children to whistle in that way? all to you is he takes all i can say to you is he takes a long time. i spend hours and hours and hours. when i was a child sitting in my bedroom practising, boy practising, whistling like a boy laughing at home, it sends a really interesting child. you seem whistling . i will probably seem whistling. i will probably give you an insight into my life. right? i was. as you sit there on my own with no and there on my own with no and there was rebellious to media likes to make don't you worry that was not all i got up to in my you if i wasn't just sitting alone whistling actually reading enid and practising was enid blyton and practising i was yes. offensive that yes. how how offensive that would sitting and reading would be now sitting and reading any it once any reply and as it once was, i think it terrorised the kids these days. apparently anyway, top story , tonight's king

top story, tonight's king charles has been forced to cancel his fast start visit over in france due to the fact that a lot of france, quite frankly, is on fire at the moment due to protests which originally started because people were furious by macron raising the pension age there without a vote. he basically just took it upon himself to make people work an extra two years. and the french being the french having absolutely none of it. now, i'll ask you two things. firstly, was the king right to cancel his visit ? do you think it sends the visit? do you think it sends the wrong message out to protesters kind of endorsing that behaviour? and secondly , what do behaviour? and secondly, what do we think about pension ages? how often should they change and to what level ? alex mckeever of what level? alex mckeever of those on the king's visit, as i understand it, was the french you asked him to not because of the upheaval in their country and that i well understand with someone you've got a visiting dignitary and if you feel you can't ensure or guarantee their safety, it's probably the right thing do pragmatically . on thing to do pragmatically. on

the you ask about the the question you ask about the pension age we are living for a great deal longer than we were when the state pension age is in our the our countries eyes and the french set . and just french were set. and it's just self—evident that an ever diminishing number people diminishing number of people working and being taxed ever more to pay into a pot for an ever larger cohort of retirees doesn't make sense. but i think my maker that i live in a country where people don't confronted with that self—evident reality, start setting stuff on fire. now you do have to raise the pension age. i think there's a small, very small group of people that you'll keen talk about who you'll be keen to talk about who do you know, very do kind of, you know, very challenging labour of challenging manual labour of a kind that to do. and kind that paul used to do. and those people , you know, they those people, you know, they can't do the same job forever. that's true . but this discussion that's true. but this discussion cannot sideline given the cannot be sideline given the plain economic realities of our pension cohort. by focusing wholly on a group of people in that world who could go on to manage, administer , teach, train manage, administer, teach, train and mentor others, or retrain and mentor others, or retrain and do another kind of job rather than doing the

challenging manual labour that seems to be for some people. the whole of this discussion we're living for decades, longer. we should work a year two more. should work a year or two more. so the uk pension age so currently the uk pension age is 66. it was planned to rise to 6 to 68 post 24 to 4. there was talk of it coming forward . it's talk of it coming forward. it's going to raise to 67 by the end of 2020. if you are a man , you of 2020. if you are a man, you are a labourer by the way of the count alex which is referring to alex as saying perhaps you might not be able to do manual labour opens at that point, but you could reskill, retrain, how would fancy that mix then would you fancy that mix then you are 66 and now you've got to retrain to be i don't know what a teacher , a lecturer, anything. a teacher, a lecturer, anything. your at home on that your thoughts at home on that poll? what do make? well poll? what do you make? well it's got to be driven by health and life expectancy issues rather than economic issues . rather than economic issues. that's what i would say. it strikes me that often the people arguing for an increase in the pension age tend to make the argument it's all about the

economics of it. we can't afford it, but we to concentrate it, but we need to concentrate much issues of health much more on issues of health and expectancy . i'm not so and life expectancy. i'm not so blind to the situation . i would blind to the situation. i would say that even in a world where life expectancy was rising year on year, there's never a case for raising the state pension age. of course, there will come age. of course, there will come a time where there is a for case doing that. i don't deny that. but i think the world we live in, in at the moment, particularly the sort of post—pandemic world and still deaung post—pandemic world and still dealing with the overhang from the pandemic, is evidence to say, first of all, that life expectancy has stalled. i think in that scenario we probably need to freeze any plans to raise the pension age. we need to look at the facts as well unkedin to look at the facts as well linked in that there are very serious health concerns as a result of the pandemic. in terms of you know, the rise in the number of cancers, many of which went undetected because of the pandemic. people not going to the hospital and so on. heart

disease is on the rise and things like that. a lot of people suddenly dropping down dead at the moment, dead as well at the moment, aren't never get aren't they would never get their maybe that as their pension. maybe that as well. the truth is people's well. and the truth is people's health tends to deteriorate around about their sixties. you know , people are generally, by know, people are generally, by and large , healthy. not and large, healthy. not everybody, of course, but but you can kind of do the things that you could normally do to a certain degree up until about your fifties. when you get into the sixties. i think the evidence the medical data evidence shows the medical data shows your health shows that's when your health starts so starts to deteriorate. so the danger that we increase the danger is that we increase the pension as a result pension age and then as a result of that, people can't draw a pension. so they either work when they're to do so or when they're not fit to do so or they just live in and they just live in poverty. and i think that that is a real dangen think that that is a real danger. course, i'm not danger. so of course, i'm not ideologically to it, but ideologically opposed to it, but it be driven by the it needs to be driven by the right not just by right concerns, not just by what's retirement age and what's the retirement age and the by the the fire service, by the policing. it's increased the government. we've had a big dispute it over many years dispute about it over many years in fire service. the in the fire service. the government normal government increased the normal pension to 60 this is a pension age to 60 and this is a good point in terms of what alec

said, because when comes to said, because when it comes to things occupational things like occupational pensions, that pensions, something like that has built around the has to be built around the demands the job. okay so you demands of the job. okay so you can't a situation where you can't have a situation where you say a firefighter, look, it's say to a firefighter, look, it's okay for you to retire at 60 because someone working on a check sainsbury's or check out of sainsbury's or something at the something retires at 60. if the if you have an occupational pension it to be pension scheme, it has to be built around the specifics of the job and clearly, you know, the job and clearly, you know, the spectacle of large numbers of firefighters working late into their fifties and until 60, going up ladders and rescuing people from burning buildings , i people from burning buildings, i think is absurd, actually , and think is absurd, actually, and dangerous and wrong and that is a crystal clear example of where the government is. just decide really to increase the pension age without actually thinking of what consequences will be, what the consequences will be, both the workers the both for the workers and the people they're serving in people that they're serving in this is, of course, this case. that is, of course, correct that have to follow correct, that you have to follow the but in the occupation. but in most discussions in modern it's discussions in modern life, it's almost a truism to say people don't job forever. don't have the same job forever. right. the idea that we right. people, the idea that we you go into a job, you might a

boy apprentice until you boy from apprentice until you retire remarkably retire is remarkably unfashionable until you have this discussion about pensions , this discussion about pensions, when it seems that every other person is in an unsustainable refocus of a person doing manual work who will effectively be left to go to the wall. if we don't allow them to retire in their forties. and you shouldn't allow this debate to be skewed in in that way, the status . so in in that way, the status. so you got to look at the broad picture in society. the state pension was meant to be a few years out to pasture on the rest of us who are working because we recognise contribution recognise the contribution you've you've made, not the decades that have that it's come to be. if you do want to to be. and if you do want to have decades then you should provide yourself by provide for yourself by contributing pension. contributing to your pension. it's on to it's not fair on others to expect them subsidise your expect them to subsidise your retirement yeah, retirement for decades. yeah, i mean this is i'm looking at my inbox and this is dividing lots of opinion . there's a of of opinion. there's a lot of response, by the way, if you're watching on telly, you will have been seeing really quite you know, eye catching know, they're eye catching scenes , to it mildly, in

scenes, to put it mildly, in france . that was that's what was france. that was that's what was showing you literally . it was on showing you literally. it was on fire. i suspect it might be again . and many people are again. and many people are saying, you know, how lucky we are this country, that when don't take people protest, that don't take it those kind of levels. and people protest, that don't take it have; kind of levels. and people protest, that don't take it have sided of levels. and people protest, that don't take it have side with.evels. and people protest, that don't take it have side with you.s. and people protest, that don't take it have side with you on and people protest, that don't take it have side with you on that, i do have side with you on that, just to give you some facts and figures about this. then the state is currently state pension bill is currently well is in is expected to increase . to £148 billion by increase. to £148 billion by 2027, 20 2028. currently it's about £110 billion or 2022, 20, 23. if you look at where we are in terms of life expectancy and retirement age , if i give you retirement age, if i give you a few examples , life expectancy in few examples, life expectancy in from is 83 there in retirement age is now 64. this is the one that macron's just pushed through because it was 62 and that was really low. when you look at other places like italy, for example , there's a 67 for for example, there's a 67 for a life expectancy of 84 united

states that's got a life expectancy. apparently of 78. that's very low, isn't it? and united states that pension age thatis united states that pension age that is 66. so ours is actually quite ahead of a lot of those countries. i'm just looking down about 66, i would say it is probably the average when i think of people in their sixties that i know, i think they are still quite sprightly young people . i don't regard 60 year people. i don't regard 60 year old now as pensioners. i know technically it is, but the ones that i know, i don't look at them and think, blimey, are a bit plastic pensioners. i don't feel that. no. and look, feel like that. no. and look, you know let's be completely honest about it. if you compare 60 somethings in the year 2023 with 60 somethings in the year 1953, i mean, you see old photos from the fifties , 60 year old, from the fifties, 60 year old, they look about 90. you know, people are generally more healthy now as a result of better health care and better diet. and you know, pollution, pollution , etc. and all sorts of pollution, etc. and all sorts of things. so of course, there's an

argument to say that as life expectancy increases , then the expectancy increases, then the pension age . so but i do think pension age. so but i do think as well that you can't disassociate this debate from the wider economic context because, you know, the truth is that there are what whatever people's view about the pension , various disputes that are going on at the moment, i think people are really feeling the pinch and especially people on the lower end of the of the economic lowest rungs of the economic lowest rungs of the economic ladder are finding it very, very difficult to make ends meet , feel that the economy ends meet, feel that the economy isn't working for them, feel that the economy is unfair , feel that the economy is unfair, feel that the economy is unfair, feel that much wealth is that far too much wealth is concentrated in too few hands . concentrated in too few hands. don't see that end in any time soon. look at the economy and you throw many western countries as being fundamentally sick and imbalanced and just kind of think, well, you're asking to think, well, you're asking me to take you're asking take another hit. you're asking me wages low. you me to keep my wages low. you want restrain during want to restrain my wages during a living crisis. and a cost of living crisis. and we're feeling the pinch. we're struggling mortgages, struggling to pay our mortgages, etc. now you want me to take

etc. and now you want me to take care my pensions? you can't care of my pensions? you can't disassociate that from final disassociate that from the final brief. what well, that's just like about life like the discussion about life expectancy pool expectancy in coronavirus pool makes short point about makes a short term point about something very long something that's a very long term making term policy. we're making decisions age that decisions about pension age that will perhaps 15 years will apply in perhaps 15 years time. implemented . it's time. it's implemented now. it's about the long term trend . we about the long term trend. we are longer life are living for longer life expectancy better better expectancy is better and better and we should think about that long term for society rather than saying we won't do what's necessary , because right now it necessary, because right now it seems inconvenient . yeah, lots seems inconvenient. yeah, lots of you guys getting in touch on this mixes up in a wholesale butcher. all my life, and i'm now riddled with arthritis , so now riddled with arthritis, so i wish i'd retrained as a civil servant . which, by the way, if servant. which, by the way, if we're talking about reskilling in later life, should we have kind of lifelong skills , kind of lifelong skills, credits, old people, all of those, like, for example, in singapore , this is what they do. singapore, this is what they do. they're all adults . you get they're all adults. you get access to a training budget, basically , which allow you basically, which would allow you and you to retrain whenever and help you to retrain whenever and help you to retrain whenever and wherever i suspect you wanted , derek says. i work as

wanted, derek says. i work as a double glazing window fitter. my job is very hard, lifting heavy doors and windows. you tell me about your ex and your parents. you say i'd love to see a pan pushes do my job in the sixties. well, keep your thoughts coming in. i'm to take a quick in. i'm going to take a quick break. when i come back, we'll have of your responses have some more of your responses on one. what i've seen on that one. but what i've seen over last few days, the over the last few days, the releases of information from releases of tax information from rishi now by keir rishi sunak and now by keir starmer . a couple of questions starmer. a couple of questions ft's pondering break. number ft's pondering the break. number one, politicians really one, should politicians really leaders political parties leaders of political parties have to share with those their tax information so tax information like this? so i've got strong opinions. i don't think they should, but want to agree or not. and when it how tax these it comes to how much tax these guys are paying, should welfare , i.e, capital gains be taxed at the same level as wages? yes, on the same level as wages? yes, on the i'll see you into . there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60,

or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

hi there. michelle dewberry . hi there. michelle dewberry. keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside malik steyn is a political consultant and paul andries , a fireman, writer and andries, a fireman, writer and broadcaster. welcome back, everybody. lots of you getting in touch. jenny on twitter says , i've only just discovered your show and i michel, i show and i love it. michel, i listen the radio , at work in listen on the radio, at work in my kitchen and i also listen to gb news before going to sleep. i want to hear go to bed. want to hear you go to bed. dreaming of then is it dan wootton or is it the guys after that? i guess depends on your that? i guess it depends on your bedtime. of you on twitter bedtime. lots of you on twitter getting about the getting in touch about the benefits and pensions. phil says, this debate angers me , says, this debate angers me, michel. benefits have become pensions and pensions have become benefits. it sickens me, he says, that millions of people live their whole lives on benefits . there is no retirement benefits. there is no retirement age increase for them . lots of age increase for them. lots of you getting in touch about the kind of jobs that you do and the fact that you would struggle. john on twitter says michelle, a value why? as a tv value why? it's as a tv presenter where it's helped my taste well. but given that i taste as well. but given that i don't don't think i'll manage

don't i don't think i'll manage it past john. i don't intend it past 67, john. i don't intend stop in eighties. thank you stop in my eighties. thank you very i'll sit beside a very much. i'll sit beside a whingeing nineties. whingeing in the nineties. i think as as you guys will think as long as you guys will have keep thoughts have me keep your thoughts coming in the pension age. coming in on the pension age. you've to be honest, there's you've got to be honest, there's very little sympathy support very little sympathy and support for retirement age income , race. for retirement age income, race. people saying that they don't want to work hard. many people saying it's on fire. you've contributed towards your pension since she was 16. and you reckon that you're probably going to p0p that you're probably going to pop before you get your pension? you're asking me, how is that fair? don't reverse . fair? don't know the reverse. right. on. have you right. let's move on. have you seen couple of seen over the last couple of days treated to the days we've been treated to the tax affairs of sir keir starmer and rishi sunak. the first released their tax affairs . and released their tax affairs. and of course, as you would expect , of course, as you would expect, it's prompted this huge debate off the back of its people have been working out their effective tax rates. people saying that keir starmer as effectively paid 32% as an effective tax rate as opposed to rishi sunak who paid. what people are saying is essentially 22. the difference

is that one has largely employment based income. do the one has largely capital gain based income . the debate is then based income. the debate is then rumbled on paul whether or not wealth capital gains should be taxed in the same way as wages. what do you think? i think it probably should. i find it hard to see any justification why our wealth , particularly, you know, wealth, particularly, you know, what you might call unearned wealth, should not be taxed at the same rate as somebodies employment income, you know, for which there that's to go out and actually make an effort and do some work . and once upon a time, some work. and once upon a time, ihave some work. and once upon a time, i have to say, i think the tories believed in that as well. not you know, somebody was chancellor in 1988, decided to equalise between equalise the rates between capital gains tax and income tax and it just creates a level playing field, i think, in a way, which is fair and in a way as well by the way, which could bnngin as well by the way, which could bring in billions to the exchequer. would you have an

exemption to this or would you just have all capital gains taxed the same as your income ? taxed the same as your income? well, i mean, if someone wants to make the case for why a particular asset should be exempt, i'm willing to listen . exempt, i'm willing to listen. let me ask you a simple question then. residence, then. so your primary residence, your home, you buy a house, you live in it and appreciates in value. got on pay for value. you've got on pay for capital gains. should you be taxed on that? i think look, i mean, first of all, you if mean, first of all, if you if you're about equalising you're talking about equalising it rates, then it with normal tax rates, then obviously, obviously, the less you the less you're going you make, the less you're going to tax. and you know that to pay in tax. and you know that if goes up in value if the house goes up in value and you're well, what would you off your income tax applied to in i no problem in principle, i have no problem with being applied that. with tax being applied to that. but factor in but obviously you factor in things allowances things like personal allowances and rates so that and lower tax rates so that people want the lower end of the scale with small properties wouldn't hit as as wouldn't be hit as hard as people properties. but people with high properties. but but i come to the but you know, i come back to the point principle, i don't point that in principle, i don't see strong case for saying see a strong case for saying that wealth is derived from that wealth that is derived from somebody assets normally benefits his wife's . so benefits him from his wife's. so should be taxed in

should should not be taxed in the same way as employment. don't for one, the don't forget that for one, the many assets have been many people's assets have been purchased with post taxed income. people perhaps gone income. so people perhaps gone to work, they've received their income all that money, then income tax. all that money, then they've invested that post tax money on their asset and then they pay the capital gain on their asset . should they really their asset. should they really have double income tax? i think it's absolutely lunacy offence. paul well that was the paul alex well that was the point i was going to make, so i think paul i'd love to hear what paul would say to what does what, why should people taxed what, why should people be taxed again. think i think again. no, i think i think there's an argument to say that if people if you can prove that people have paid in amount in tax already, that might be the equivalent is that equivalent of what it is that they're expect of poor people in may everything may tax on almost everything that's that's up for debate. that's up. that's up for debate. that's up for debate. not that's up for debate. i'm not i'm that people i'm not suggesting that people should be double should necessarily be double taxed. there could be work arounds make make arounds to make it to make people where there's people exempt where there's a legitimate case it. and so legitimate case for it. and so the interesting distinction that you were making was between earned honour earned wealth and honour and wealth. talking wealth. michelle was talking about call,

about what you would call, i think, earned wealth. so, you know, gone out. so know, someone's gone out. so they've worked pay their they've worked to pay their income something. they've income tax on something. they've gone bought, let's say, gone out and bought, let's say, an probably paid an asset. they've probably paid vat something, stamp vat or something, stamp duty, whatever asset whatever it is on the asset they've tax twice they've bought to pay tax twice on. already you presumably on. it's already you presumably given position as it given your position as it evolves in front of this, who wouldn't want people to be taxed a third time on that? so what do you unearned? unearned you call unearned? unearned well, think well, on well, i think well, hold on a second. on that argument. second. just on that argument. i mean, you could where does that argument stop? because you could say that you say for example, that when you go out and do the weekly shop, you know, you get the money. obviously the money obviously from the money that you've going you've earned. and you're going to vat on certain to be paying the vat on certain products. there are products. so there are of course, examples already course, examples where already double you were double tax like that you were arguing for triple tax and i'm asking whether that would stop. okay. i'm saying is okay. so what i'm saying is imprints apple being imprints apple what's being suggested necessarily imprints apple what's being sug of ;ted necessarily imprints apple what's being sug of the necessarily imprints apple what's being sug of the ordinary necessarily imprints apple what's being sug of the ordinary |a cessarily imprints apple what's being sug of the ordinary |a basic'ily out of the ordinary as a basic principle people end principle that people may end up paying principle that people may end up paying tax on something that they have paid for from a salary which they have already been tax. it is something out tax. it is just something out the is different because it's the it is different because it's not. instead not. instead it's this instead of taxation, it's as

of that double taxation, it's as well that. you're well as that. so what you're arguing for triple taxation. arguing for is triple taxation. but distinction you but the distinction you are making earned wealth making between earned wealth and unearned wealth wasn't something that volunteered. that michelle or i volunteered. you what do you mean by you did so what do you mean by unearned wealth? i think unearned wealth? well i think very clearly there's a difference money that difference between money that you your income , you earn through your income, through to work and through going out to work and money that you acquire one way or another as result of assets . or another as result of assets. now, we can sit here and talk about a million different ways that you do that. but essentially we're talking about money isn't derived from an money that isn't derived from an employment but let's be employment income. but let's be clear. let me play a well—worn invest more than not, that invest more often than not, that post taxed money into an asset, you take a risk and when you do this, i don't know, you might buy shares, you might buy a house, whatever cars, whatever the asset is, is relevant. so i take a risk with this. it may go up, it may go down so fast and foremost risk should be foremost that risk should be rewarded . because when go to rewarded. because when i go to work i do a time money work and i do a time money exchange, there is no risk. i'm giving you my time. you'll give me off we go. i me some dosh. off we go. when i stick my post—tax money into an

asset, this risk and that asset, i take this risk and that risk man may or may not pay off. what happens if it doesn't pay off make a loss on my off and i make a loss on my asset? it doesn't make good, does okay so i credit. does it? okay so i get credit. okay. but you turn safe is that people can be people you know, people can be multimillionaires . okay. or multimillionaires. okay. or billionaires in some cases and denve billionaires in some cases and derive most of their wealth. and there it is . it's jealousy. there it is. it's jealousy. that's that's the point. it's not actually it's about jealousy . it's not about jealousy. it's about fairness can be can be billionaires in some cases. and the wealth is derived not through necessarily work in hard, but as a result of having to show assets which may have been passed in some been passed to them in some cases. been passed to them in some cases . but the principle that cases. but the principle that you've just out there, you've just set out there, michelle, is that they shouldn't even all on even pay any tax at all on itself it is. of course, itself here. it is. of course, they pay tax. basic they pay they pay tax. basic capital gains. i guess it's wrong in principle, shouldn't pay wrong in principle, shouldn't pay capital gains on your losses . and that, michelle, there it is in end, that's what it's is in the end, that's what it's about. talked before the about. we talked before the break about one of the great things about this country, which is discusses

is when the government discusses a policy we don't like, we don't go setting on go around setting buildings on fire other fire generally. on the other hand, something that's hand, here's something that's not great about our country because america, if someone because in america, if someone has made good and someone's made millions billions, generally millions or billions, generally speaking, well speaking, the attitude is well done i'd like to done on that person. i'd like to be that successful. if i apply myself in this country, it tends to why have they got to be why have they got something i haven't got? they shouldn't have it. and we'll call because want call it fairness because we want to down. i think to drag them down. i think that's a shame. and in the end, we've decide if we want we've got to decide if we want high this country or high earners in this country or not. but i have much, much not. i do, but i have much, much to dress it up. you don't? it's not about jealousy. it's about fairness. you can't fairness. and you can't just dismiss say, because dismiss it and say, oh, because you want to tax wealthy people in order that people at the lower the scale can have lower end of the scale can have a better that we can fund a better life, that we can fund our public services. that's jealousy. about jealousy. it's not. it's about having healthier and having a healthier economy and a fairer economy and a compassionate you compassionate society. you should. you say now. should. that's what you say now. it the gleam your eye. it it was the gleam in your eye. it was the gleaming arrive when you mentioned billionaires, millionaires and billionaires selling things, which is what you're arguing, alex, is that you're arguing, alex, is that you would have capital gains you would not have capital gains taxes, know. no, no. the

taxes, so know. no, no. the settlements are in favour of the settlements are in favour of the settlement the settlement we've got at the moment. the to a degree. moment. it's the to a degree. right. so i disagree with me that the settlement we at that the settlement we have at the one it's a bit the moment is one it's a bit like the difference between stamp being half a% stamp duty in 97 being half a% on properties and being on all properties and being where now. eyewatering on where it is now. eyewatering on family if you've already family homes. if you've already been taxed once, principle been taxed once, the principle should if you're going should be that if you're going to taxed again, it should be to be taxed again, it should be a rate, then you don't a lower rate, then you don't believe debate believe that. that's the debate that paul unless that we're having. paul unless you and i suppose you hadn't noticed and i suppose the real truth of this is a consequence of argument is consequence of your argument is that of that you should get rid of capital gains tax completely. no, lose because i look at no, i lose because i look at a situation we have at the situation that we have at the moment. given finances moment. and given that finances have for all to see have been exposed for all to see the english today and the english channel today and elsewhere, i look at a situation where say, isn't it where people say, isn't it terrible that sunak's, terrible that rishi sunak's, prime a lower prime minister, has paid a lower rate of tax the rate effectively of tax on the money year money he's received this year than starmer has? and the than keir starmer has? and the answer that is actually answer to that is who actually paid tax, right? who paid paid more tax, right? who paid more a figure? and it's more tax as a figure? and it's obviously obviously rishi obviously it's obviously rishi sunak. and that's the point to all well for to sunak. and that's the point to all it's well for to sunak. and that's the point to all it's about well for to sunak. and that's the point to all it's about your.l for to sunak. and that's the point to all it's about your jealousy. to say it's about your jealousy. well, there go. it's a keir

well, there you go. it's a keir starmer's wealth in the shade. it's about to get even. you could that it's so honest. could argue that it's so honest. i say good luck to him. no, i mean , you don't mean good luck mean, you don't mean good luck to your share . mean, you don't mean good luck to your share. i'm complaining to your share. i'm complaining to pay a little bit more. i mean, good luck at all. you mean give me that. like people to have. well, that's what you mean. say, well, i'm going to let you make your minds up let you guys make your minds up at home. i've got to say, i always find it fascinating that everyone who wants everyone else to pay more tax when you apply inward, i it's about your primary and people go primary residence and people go in i don't mean that i mean in and i don't mean that i mean them. there. they should them. they're there. they should pay them. they're there. they should pay more tax them the wealthy them. i do i always it's them. i do i always think it's politics of you will tell politics of envy. you will tell me. i am if you agree with me. i am sure if you agree with those or not who you agree with thoughts. get them coming into me. gb views at gbnews.uk is how you reach me. you can tweet me at gb news when i come back from my want to ask you my break. i want to ask you about ofsted inspections and schools. are there inhumane. i ask after a headteacher very

sadly took her own life. is it time to scrap the inspections? and after that i also want to get into the ridiculousness of lawyers saying that they weren't across the queue. climate activist what ? so i'll go activist what? so i'll go anyway. i'll see you into .

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maloney. we're live. at eight. hi there, michelle dewberry. keeping you company. so 7:00 tonight alongside malik steyn, the political consultant, and paul embery fineman writes on broadcast. i goodness gracious, may you guys that lustre bear about income tax on capital gains that really got you guys talking. and i've got to say you really are divided. jillian says that poll says tax has to be fair, but since when is life ever been fair ? does that mean ever been fair? does that mean that life shouldn't be fair just because authorities and i don't know. john says wealth from greedy usually go hand in hand together . your greedy usually go hand in hand together. your segment always your tax segment has made me smile, says david. most people will try and pay as little tax as possible . i agree with you . as possible. i agree with you. one of my view is he says that i'm a working class jury, but i agree with the barista. that's you . many people are saying it's you. many people are saying it's not jealousy. what paul is

talking about is fairness . and talking about is fairness. and he's absolutely right . it's you he's absolutely right. it's you really are divided , really. some really are divided, really. some people saying it is jealousy . people saying it is jealousy. some people say your outlet is spot on. it is all fairness . one spot on. it is all fairness. one person, steve from hull says one man's extreme wealth is another man's extreme wealth is another man's extreme wealth is another man's extreme poverty. he's asking , how man's extreme poverty. he's asking, how is that fair? dale says, michele , if government says, michele, if government spend are taxed wisely, then maybe they wouldn't be any need for a wealth tax grab. after all, i think you raise a very good point . wow, you really are good point. wow, you really are getting into your divides. let's just say that i'd say 50% of you agree with alex. 50% of you agree with alex. 50% of you agree with alex. 50% of you agree with paul . let's talk agree with paul. let's talk school, shall we? the regulator, ofsted is under pressure to suspend their investor sessions. this, of course, follows the story of the awful, tragic suicide of the head teacher, ruth perry back in january, when she waited for an ofsted assessment . let's cut to the assessment. let's cut to the chase on this one. many people

say they should be the inspection should be paused or the people say they should be scrapped. do you stand? scrapped. where do you stand? both my parents are teachers i respect the profession enormously. what's happened is tragic. for the tragic. it's very, very for the community. for the community. concerned for the family of the individual . but family of the individual. but and so i mean, you you'd have to have a heart of stone not to think that. but these individual outcomes don't necessarily mean that you need to discard a whole system . after all, i have to say system. after all, i have to say it , we put pressure on system. after all, i have to say it, we put pressure on our children with examinations because that's part of life. we put your gcses and a—levels are high pressure and they come with strings and those strings have outcomes on children from time to time and including quite profound ones. and the right answer to those strains and pressures is to more support and help for those who are struggling not to suspend the examination and not to stop testing. after all, in the end , testing. after all, in the end, the ofsted, the ofsted inspection the of the system is to ensure a decent quality of teaching and a decent as a

minimum requirements in schools . it's right that those things were assessed for children and for their parents. so i'm afraid i don't think we should suspend ofsted because no matter how undeniably tragic and an individual example of something going wrong may be in just the way that we don't say get rid of gcses or a—levels, because a young person finds the system incredibly hard. paul i've got real concern over ofsted and over the system of inspections. first of all, i think it only really shows a snapshot when you get inspectors turn up for a day or two and you know , i know or two and you know, i know schools get, i think a days notice, 24 hours notice that they're coming in. and billy connolly always used to say that whenever the queen was going anywhere, there would always be someone in front someone painting in front of fresh she thought fresh paint. she thought the world fresh paint. world smelled of fresh paint. and me that ofsted in and it strikes me that ofsted in schools that relationship is a little as well, where little bit that as well, where teachers just put everything in place that place to make sure that everything looks particularly special the ofsted special for the ofsted inspectors. so it's only really

a snapshot and i don't know if it's an accurate snapshot that the inspectors get, but i do sense that a, it does bring with it a real kind of culture of fear. and we've seen that play out. and this is a tragic case. this woman who was this poor woman who was dedicated the profession dedicated to the profession of teaching to her teaching and dedicated to her students , she felt the need to students, she felt the need to take own life in this way. and i do think that actually when you look at the grading system of ofsted where you have, you know, outstanding , good, satisfactory outstanding, good, satisfactory and inadequate , seems to me to and inadequate, seems to me to be a very , very simplistic way be a very, very simplistic way of approaching an inspection in a school , because there are all a school, because there are all sorts of dynamics going on in a school at any one time. schools do a good things. they do not so good things. and to almost define an entire school simply with one word and to say inadequate, your school is inadequate, your school is inadequate, no matter some of the good things that may be in prison. it isn't . it is not the prison. it isn't. it is not the way it stood. i think i believe an inspection. don't

misunderstand me. i believe in the principle of inspections. but but perhaps a different type of and one where it's of system and one where it's written there's a narrative written up. there's a narrative . narrative rather . there's a narrative rather than essentially every one. put that. try me if i may say you put that very reasonably, but in the end, you decide not to have a kind of grade, if you like. then have first to then why would you have first to one see what's in it? why one to see what's in it? why would you let someone have an a—level? it's now or a, b or c or d in the end, these institutions people institutions are awarding people grades come with a one grades and they come with a one letter or one words. if allegation. because i think the difference alex, do difference is, alex, if you do a three year degree in fine, for example, then you're you're immersed in that particular subject. but my exams don't show the true, true totality of me. so think come with narrative so i think come with a narrative and a great hold on. i think that if you're two in a three year degree in fine art, then it's reasonable to assume that actually to be a actually that is going to be a fair reflection of what you're doing because a single doing because it's a single delicate schools. delicate thing with schools. it's of things it's a whole raft of things going on in schools. it's not just issue lawsuit are just about one issue lawsuit are strong opinions on this. nigel

says who inspects the inspectors? seem to be inspectors? they seem to be running unregulated terror running an unregulated terror regime called by extreme . i'm regime called by extreme. i'm not sure i agree with that . it's not sure i agree with that. it's time for a revolution. so cynthia, enough is enough. our daughter in law nearly has a breakdown when ofsted is going to visit haskell, why doesn't she think that she runs a good school ? because surely you want school? because surely you want to worry if you're not confident in the job that you're doing? or am i missing something? i'm sure you'll tell me if you are. lots of you agree with ofsted. i think those checks absolutely should continue. keep your thoughts coming in. when i come back.i thoughts coming in. when i come back. i want to into this story over a pint of course, about why 120 lawyers have signed a so—called declan of conscience saying that they prosecute peaceful climate activists. you walk a slippery slope. this if you ask me , give me your you ask me, give me your thoughts. i'll see you .

in two. hello, i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co. i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. along side me with a beer in hand. i like stay in paul embry i was just about to say look at the head on that, but i charge on chairs. i don't dnnk but i charge on chairs. i don't drink pints . oh, yeah, no drink pints. oh, yeah, no camera, no on camera, everyone. i'm a lady. this is not champagne is prosecco . we're not champagne is prosecco. we're not the bbc. we don't splash cars. we're sensible with our phones anyway. cheers. happy friday to everyone . yes, yes . steven says everyone. yes, yes. steven says he's been in touch. one of my view is steven says the whole lot of them should be strong off this country. is lost. shall i tell you? he's talking about forrester. you know why? because get this. 122 lawyers have gone basically against the rules , the basically against the rules, the bar, what they've done. they've signed a so—called declaration of conscience. what it means, basically, is that they say that

if someone is a peaceful climate activist, they work, prosecute them . and they also say and they them. and they also say and they will not act for fossil fuel interests. now, you are a barrister. i know you said earlier your non practising but you still got that skill and talent. what do you make to the he's gone, he's coming in. excuse me. if you're listening and not watching, you don't even know what's going on. finished pine . ready? you asked me pine. ready? you asked me a serious question. we have got my time. i'm so surprised by this lack of understanding about the professions, requirements that i went the council went unchecked. the bar council guidelines in force guidelines are still in force and are. they say that the and they are. they say that the car which the car brand crew, which the metaphor with cap handicap metaphor with the cap handicap pulling rank is still pulling up by the rank is still enforced and still good practise. that is to say , if practise. that is to say, if you're qualified to do the work and if you're instructed to do the work, then you do the work. unless offered for not unless it's offered for not something an something that's not an fee. part the point of that is to part of the point of that is to ensure that people get adequate representation on both sides in a and part of it is to a case. and part of it is to ensure it's clear there's ensure that it's clear there's no moral being made by

no moral choice being made by counsel in who their client may be. without that , if we go if we be. without that, if we go if we go down this road and if we say that you can pick and choose your clients, then very quickly , those accused of terrorism , those are accused of terrorism those accused of murder. those accused rape will not accused of rape will not including, by the way, those who are innocent and are falsely accused will find that they can't get good representation or any representation . and as soon any representation. and as soon as you go as soon as you start doing that, you get trial by barrister rather than trial by jury. and believe me , nobody jury. and believe me, nobody wants . and michel, when wants that. and michel, when things look worst for you, when that's when you need help the most, when the evidence looks, that's when you need the most from counsel. not having from your counsel. not having them demonstrate their moral virtue by saying they won't take your case. paul embery yeah, there's nothing there that i could disagree with. i think it would set a very, very dangerous precedent . i think would precedent. i think it would potentially deny some access to justice i think some people might find themselves discriminated against when it came to representing them, when

they needed it, and quite simply is for judges and juries to decide rights and wrongs split on and it is for barristers to put the case of the people that they represent and it seems to me to for a barrister to say actually i'm also going to put myself in the shoes of the judge and the jury is a complete violation. it's a of, you know, the code the code is that barristers work to and your code of conduct is absolutely correct. and of course, the only thing to add is that it's all theory anyway, because these hundred and 20 practitioners, none actually prosecute none of them actually prosecute crime anyway. it's just complete virtue they're about virtue signalling. they're about as to as i am and as relevant to this as i am and i haven't practised for 12 years. haven't found a single years. i haven't found a single viewer listener that viewer or listener that currently agrees. you do exist. who are these people actually think that this is a good idea ? think that this is a good idea? phil says, get alex to go talking points with nigel. you don't know yet. did the only person who had two points. oh my god. talking points plural is our old alex dean. that pretty

much? nobody agrees with that . much? nobody agrees with that. you're really not happy that people are going to essentially put their own political opinions and, beliefs above their professed arsenal rules and all the rest of it ? carol, you made the rest of it? carol, you made a really good point. earlier debates, and i just want to find, because i think it's interesting, you said karen is all right raising the pension age, but why don't you try to find an employer who wants you when you're old age discrimination? many saying are alive well. all alive and well. you're all saying as well . well, you all saying as well. well, you all saying as well. well, you all say that these lawyers are out of are you saying they of order. are you saying they won't prosecute arrest won't prosecute climax arrest but prosecute you but they will prosecute you and try you locked for try and get you locked up for two for wolf whistling, two years? for wolf whistling, many asking what you many of you asking what do you just wolf whistle again? just do your wolf whistle again? for that's just joined for anyone that's just joined show in my they say yes, show in my ear they say yes, please. okay, i will. george has asked twitter. good that asked me on twitter. good that everyone last time. for the everyone one last time. for the record, doing it for record, i'm not doing it for anyone particular, don't anyone in particular, so don't take place. irritate take me to your place. irritate me . they go, i'm not nuts . thank me. they go, i'm not nuts. thank you very much, alex and paul,

everyone , have a fantastic everyone, have a fantastic weekend and i'll see you on monday . good evening and welcome monday. good evening and welcome to your latest weather update from the met office . with me, from the met office. with me, annie shuttleworth . now through annie shuttleworth. now through saturday, it will stay showery with some sunshine around . but with some sunshine around. but then into sunday we see a bit of a shift as our winds turn to more of a northerly. but for now, through rest of friday, now, through the rest of friday, we've got area of low we've still got this area of low pressure going to be pressure that's going to be bringing a rather unsettled evening and a westerly breeze. so the so still quite blustery all the way through friday night. so some quite heavy showers will affect parts of northern ireland. southern scotland and northern and further northern england and further south, just about anywhere are likely to see some showers across of scotland. we could see some of the showers falling as snow over the high ground . but snow over the high ground. but for us, it will be for all of us, it will be a breezy tonight. and breezy night tonight. and because that, temperatures because of that, temperatures will . so a relatively will hold up. so a relatively mild start to the weekend , but mild start to the weekend, but quite across the country quite cloudy across the country and a few showers still lasting well into the morning . they'll well into the morning. they'll stay breezy at start, but at the start, but as we head into the

afternoon, the winds will start to and sunshine to lighten and the sunshine across parts of wales and central areas of england will start to feel quite warm . so start to feel quite warm. so here we'll see highs around 14 or degrees. however, to the or 15 degrees. however, to the north of that it'll start to feel a little bit. then through the end of saturday, saturday evening , we'll see many areas evening, we'll see many areas seeing quite a lot of dry weather continuing. however nofice weather continuing. however notice across the south this band of quite persistent rain will move up northwards, bringing some persistent rain overnight into sunday morning across many southern of wales and england . to the north of and england. to the north of that that cold air is starting to show its face. and because of that, we could see a bit of a frost across parts of scotland, perhaps northern england, to start on sunday, and that cold will become more widespread as we head through the rest of the day. sunshine will also become more widespread, so some decent some sunny spells by the afternoon and a drier day , afternoon and a much drier day, but still feeling colder. you'll stay cold on monday, but actually there'll be quite a lot

more sunshine around. i'll see you .

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