good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show lovely to see you this morning. it's raining so don't go out. just stay here because we have got a lot to say today and to discuss so i'm going to have again

duncan smith in the former tory leader talking about brexit and boris, course, and other boris, of course, and other matters. interesting matters. both had an interesting story matt hancock story involving matt hancock wanting charge £10,000 for wanting to charge £10,000 for his time. we'll be discussing that i'm sure going to that as well. i'm sure going to be labour's lucy be speaking to labour's lucy powell. find out a little bit more about keir starmer's pension arrangements and pension and tax arrangements and sammy is to be joining me sammy is going to be joining me from belfast of from belfast to discuss, of course, winds, framework course, the winds, a framework whether ever going to whether the dup ever going to go back stormont. all that and more to so do stay tuned. let's to come so do stay tuned. let's just a little look at the just have a little look at the front pages. of all, the front pages. first of all, the sunday european sunday telegraph. european judges be overruled on judges may be overruled on rwanda to deport haitians. good news for somalia brafman if that's the case. the sunday times goes with strip searches of children as young as eight. story how the police have been searching predominantly black children. the observer has got the sting that i was speaking about. let me just get the newspaper here from top tory mp. ask a £10,000 a day to work for a fake company. nice work if you can getit.

a fake company. nice work if you can get it . the sunday mirror a fake company. nice work if you can get it. the sunday mirror. completely different story. they go with showbiz . shirley. i may go with showbiz. shirley. i may never go back strictly. that's an interview with shirley ballas . the sunday express goes , with . the sunday express goes, with this new crackdown on crime by rishi sunak. washy crime blitz to woo red wall is talking about cracking down on anti—social behaviour and getting people to clear up their own litter. i'm sure were awful. the mail on sunday rishi. i would let victims say how to punish yobs again . i think that will play again. i think that will play very well with the electorate and the sun sunday they go and in the sun on sunday they go with story about boxer with the story about the boxer amir amir my great garden amir khan amir my great garden rage this about rage terror this is about robbers coming into his house and holding them at gunpoint. all interesting stories now all very interesting stories now . to be joined by . delighted to be joined by somebody who's covered many, many his career. many stories in his career. nicholas howard is a former bbc and newsreader, a very and itn newsreader, a very experienced newshound to sniff through morning's papers to through this morning's papers to see you, nick. good morning . see you, nick. good morning. morning. let's talk about morning. now let's talk about this great sting. i'm slightly depressed by this story because it's been it's led by donkeys

who are this kind of pair that have an online following, have done this story and it's a shame that a newspaper hasn't done it. but i suppose we're in those times. yeah normally times. yeah it's normally a newspaper classically, newspaper sting classically, isn't outfit have isn't it.7 but this outfit have been passed themselves off as a working on behalf of south korea. yes offering sort of consultancy services that usual murky area that nobody really understands . and they picked up understands. and they picked up that they went to an awful lot of mps, apparently of parties. it had to be said, okay, we read today about three who eventually were victims, if you like, of the sting , i should say at the the sting, i should say at the beginning. no sign that actually broke any . that's true. just broke any. that's true. just point that out. but it doesn't look great. no, it doesn't. the money. who was asking for what.7 hong kong. matt hancock , a hong kong. matt hancock, a former health secretary doesn't need. and also the subject of an awful lot of coverage in the telegraph. so out, indeed . but telegraph. so out, indeed. but he's obviously looking for something else to do because. he is due to leave parliament, isn't he.7 and

is due to leave parliament, isn't he? and he said to them, i would love to work you. yes, sir. and my fees are, about £10,000 a day. right. okay he won't get out of bed for ten a day, . and kwasi kwarteng ? day, right. and kwasi kwarteng? yes. we had him on the show last week. indeed. he also said about ten grand. he sounded about. lovely. that's the going rate these . that's the going rate . these. that's the going rate. and the other interesting person, graham brady . yes. we've person, graham brady. yes. we've had on show as well. so had him on the show as well. so the of 1922. yes the chairman of the 1922. yes very upstanding, very respected mp. he's announced he's standing down at the next general election. so all these have been just trying to find a way to make more in the future of politics. well of course they are. what it's going to are. but but what it's going to be on idea of be focusing on is the idea of should mps have second jobs at all and should they be touting themselves outside of themselves around outside of parliament. endless parliament. it's an endless argument, i was argument, isn't what i was interested went through interested in. i went through that these figures and that read all these figures and everybody be saying to everybody will be saying to themselves, particularly struggling bills and struggling with their bills and what i know, which is £10,000 a day for matt hancock . no

what i know, which is £10,000 a day for matt hancock. no no. what i know, which is £10,000 a day for matt hancock . no no. the day for matt hancock. no no. the jury day for matt hancock. no no. the jury is out on that. yes. but you know , if you're a really top you know, if you're a really top professional and you're doing a important job and so on, figures are very, very big. you know , are very, very big. you know, you do have to pay your taxes. you probably got two people to help you and so on. it's not not quite easy to earn. what is it on average, about 85 grand. yeah, i the mean average wage in this country is 31,000. so most people be looking at it go well, hang on a minute. you're doing well yourselves. well for yourselves. you get quite perks because quite a lot of perks because you're mp . do you need to you're an mp. why do you need to have a second job at all? it's the argument, is it, the old argument, is it, as i said, what interests me ploughed through it to get all these these glowing but these figures glowing there. but what about the opposition to all of this? what about only have said they will exam and the said that they will exam and the business of if they win the next election whether an mp should have second jobs and cut down on it. yes, but how? what do you actually going to do? are you insisting that mps do nothing but politics and that brings on problems? people would say no

outside of life at all. or should it actually encourage politicians to have other interests so they know what the real world is ? they say that real world is? they say that people should have other interests for quality in politics, but think people politics, but i think people think quality in politics think that quality in politics has let's onto has gone down. let's move onto the story . crime week the next story. crime week returns now . this is returns now. this is interesting. the express has splashed it rushes blitz splashed it rushes crime blitz to woo the red wall when it work , make it crime blitz. this goes back and back up. it depends how how old you are and how long your memory. tony blair, prime minister. i remember so well. he had this idea that i don't know what sort of crime would have been committed, but somebody would be on the street would be nabbed on the street and immediately walk to cash and immediately walk to a cash machine yes, get remember machine. yes, i'll get remember that. and take the out to that. and take the money out to give money straight. give the money straight. ludacns give the money straight. ludacris is hugging a hoodie. i think it sounds crazy. it. but at time, a of people at the time, a lot of people well, you know, we've got to crack these things. crack down on these things. i just think it's politicians of with an election an eye on the

next election crime we've got to do something about it. i worried about it, though. people are look, my car gets nicked or , my look, my car gets nicked or, my bike and the police just give you a crime number and you're left to it. the idea of people disturbing their neighbourhoods with , antisocial behaviour, with, antisocial behaviour, graffiti i think the graffiti litter. i do think the electorate does care about the little things cos they do. of course they do. but seems course they do. but it seems to me it only on the, the me it is only on the, the anti—social behaviour of anti—social behaviour side of things, littering the, things, the littering and the, the behaving in the the louts behaving in the street. yeah. but when you read about it the idea apparently is to these people gather up . to these people gather them up. who's that? where who's going to do that? where where the coppers anyway? where are the coppers anyway? i mean we see a policeman mean, we never see a policeman visible policing. exactly. but they are talking about this with regard bringing in community regard to bringing in community policing, bringing in local crime , although people crime, although i think people think . what do these local crime think. what do these local crime commissioners oh, yeah. commissioners. oh, yeah. that's that's another target area. you gather people up and you take them back to the scene of their crime say, look at that crime and say, look at that wall that you've, defaced that you've, you know, defaced with graffiti or you're with graffiti now or you're going scrub clean while we going to scrub clean while we stand and you do it.

stand here and watch you do it. does sound very practical ? do does it sound very practical? do we that graffiti artists we think that graffiti artists in amenable to people exerting their power , things like that? their power, things like that? probably not the jobs in the street. are they going to clear up their own litter? they're going to drop a macdonalds in the street then back 24 the street and then come back 24 hours it's easy to be hours later. it's easy to be cynical about these things, isn't does sound to isn't it? but it does sound to me the of thing that me like the sort of thing that politicians say, you politicians always say, you know, we've got to crack down on growth. yes, of course we should know, we've got to crack down on grocracking of course we should know, we've got to crack down on grocracking down urse we should know, we've got to crack down on grocracking down one we should know, we've got to crack down on grocracking down on crime.|ould know, we've got to crack down on grocracking down on crime. buti be cracking down on crime. but actually, look at the actually, if you look at the real crime rates, which people don't of worry don't tend to sort of worry about quite so much. crime actually is not going up by that much. have yobs the much. if you have yobs on the street friday and saturday street every friday and saturday in you'll think in your town, you'll think things the truth things are awful. but the truth is for most people, is actually for most people, it's not really such a such a terrible issue. i think it's perhaps overblown or maybe it's also to london. also localised to london. there's of on the there's a lot of focus on the london crime statistics. they don't necessarily reflect the whole let's discuss whole country. let's discuss what calling deep dive of what we're calling deep dive of the you're really the the day. you're really the story. i know because we're story. and i know because we're chatting the green chatting about it in the green room, seconds of confusion

room, 5 seconds of confusion that disabled child like that landed disabled child like oriel in jail. yes what a sad story. this was oriel, a lady with many, many difficulties , as with many, many difficulties, as it seems. eyesight problems among them on, i think, a epileptic i think she might be anyway. she's a struggle with life. she's walking a fairly narrow pavement and a cyclist, a lady cyclist came the other way, riding on the pavement, which of course, actually is illegal. you shouldn't be doing it, oriel, shout it. swore, i think, and waved her arms about cyclist swerve into the path of a car . swerve into the path of a car. terrible thing happened and the cyclists died and which is undoubtedly a tragedy terrible tragedy for her. and of course motorist concerned terribly traumatic. but what then happened that oriel is charged with manslaughter found guilty and sent to prison . and i i'll and sent to prison. and i i'll be very honest about this i get really cross people riding on pavements cycling on pavements i

really do my wife and i in a nearly been knocked down times and so there's a little bit of me has a bit sympathy with what oriel did obviously she overstepped the mark but send it to prison . yeah three years to prison. yeah three years i said to first of all there's a scarcity of prison places as it is. second of all, it costs hundreds of thousands of pounds to the taxpayer. third of all, this lady has got mental disability. yes she probably needs to be perhaps in some kind of mental help. she doesn't need to be in a cell. how does that help anybody? how does it help anybody? and the really heartbreaking again, if you read the it's her family have the story, it's her family have coming forward now and saying this is ridiculous. what a terrible to her with terrible thing to do to her with while having to revoke sympathy with the family of the victim obviously and that motorists , as obviously and that motorists, as i but what they are saying i say. but what they are saying that's the wrong completely the wrong place for and the saddest thing at the end of thing of all right at the end of the pace to read these the story was pace to read these stories through oriel stories right through oriel herself apparently is completely

confused about she is and confused about where she is and has said to the prison warden if that's the right expression still where are my when will i be going home and you know, you think something's wrong here surely it's already sense that this will be overturned in any way. i mean, at the end of the day, the sentence has been handed. she's in a prison it's very difficult to come back from that. i suppose it would take an enormous amount of political pressure. well to change it. but what precedent? that what precedent? with that said, i'm about political i'm not sure about political pressure. don't think many pressure. i don't think many politicians go to politicians will want to go to now this one, to be absolutely honest it. but lawyers honest and about it. but lawyers trying for appeal and i would i would be very surprised , very would be very surprised, very surprised, camilla, if oriel is still in jail, say and say a couple of months time. yeah. so it gets expedited by the prison service. yes. yes anything on the other side of the cromwell justice argument? let's talk about royal story of the week, because you do a lot of world commentary, including for gb news bell on sunday page five.

andrew is the original spare at his desperate to set the record straight . oh we're all desperate straight. oh we're all desperate to hear another interview from andrew. what's all this about? oh, is a forgive me. i'm oh, this is a forgive me. i'm smiling so much. but oh, this is a forgive me. i'm smiling so much . but because oh, this is a forgive me. i'm smiling so much. but because i'm serious matter of course. well the prince andrew has decided that his side of the story should be put . well, again. should be put. well, again. exactly. we all remember newsnight and we all remember emily maitlis taking him apart. yes, royally i think is the only way to put it. he made himself look a complete chump, as if anybody needed a lot. some evidence anyway , there we are. evidence anyway, there we are. so he's now decided , apparently so he's now decided, apparently he wants to set the record properly straight and has done the same thing that harry did, approached an american journalist , told somebody expert journalist, told somebody expert in writing these sort of things. yeah and going to put his it seems sounds extraordinary me that anybody will be particularly interested but has to be said you know the effect

that harry's book has had first of all it's top of the bestsellers list and has been after week after week. and i think it is still again this week. so whatever else you think it's still selling jolly well. yeah it's also had its too about harry still on the royal family standing quite sadly i'm afraid it has but i can't imagine the duke of york going into publication is going to help the royal family either. absolutely i don't talk about, you know, just take one for the team. be quiet a while. i know he wants to rehabilitate, but i think writing the writing everything down over the course 100,000 words is the course of 100,000 words is the last royals need. last thing the royals need. nick. think it's the nick. well, i think it's the last thing they need. also , last thing they need. and also, it has to be said, emily maitlis did take him apart on most of the things. he really going the things. is he really going to re—explain himself to try and re—explain himself sucker punishment? i think sucker for punishment? i think the house in woking that's the pizza house in woking that's the pizza house in woking that's the line peter expressing to express that tried to express well i'll tell you something else he doesn't break a sweat when she does. people's when she does. the people's panel own catherine forster panel is a own catherine forster who boris

who this week is at boris johnson's constituency of uxbndge johnson's constituency of uxbridge and south ruislip , uxbridge and south ruislip, where he has been re selected but will he win the seat? it's a marginal and it's looking little dicey. what do the panel make of this news? catherine this week's news? catherine lovely this morning . lovely to see you this morning. hello camilla. yes, boris johnson has uxbridge with a majority of 7200 if and it is a big if he were to face a by—election what would happen now natalie is one of his constituents let's say natalie would you vote for him? i would, yes . definitely bother bothered yes. definitely bother bothered by what happens in downing street. obviously, it's not. but we had great support over the pandemic. so he's got thumbs up from me. i and matt, you just out of the area. you wouldn't be able vote for him, but would you?i able vote for him, but would you? i would, yes. yeah, you would. and again, you couldn't vote for him, but would you ? no, vote for him, but would you? no, i wouldn't, actually. i wouldn't for him. who would you vote at

the next election? i would vote for the reform party. i love boris. i he's great entertainment, but he's not big on detail . and natalie, you had on detail. and natalie, you had this water's edge . lovely this water's edge. lovely restaurant for here 18 years. what are your concerns and what would you like to see in terms of support for businesses from the government the ulez is a major major worry for us. obviously coming into the area and of august , middle of august and of august, middle of august and of august, middle of august and it will have a massive effect on our business people to pay effect on our business people to pay that to come here and i just don't think they'll it . and don't think they'll do it. and matt, your 19 years old, you're studying quantity surveying at university . tell us about how university. tell us about how it's been for young people and. you've got a question for citizen duncan—smith you. yeah. so i think lockdown been awful for young people. i think we've just been thrown under the bus andifs just been thrown under the bus and it's really disappointing. see such a thing being done? my main concern is , what main concern is, is what the economy will be like after when i graduate from uni and what would it be like then might my

question for st and smith is noticing that that inflation has been as is still rising and we raise interest rates . what would raise interest rates. what would be the next alternative considering interest rates? inflation is still rising. thank you for that . and jack, you are you for that. and jack, you are an actor. you work in the gig, gig economy amongst otherjobs. gig economy amongst other jobs. you do ambulance logistics for the nhs . so you feel that things the nhs. so you feel that things don't work in. britain very well at the moment. tell us about that i don't think anything is working well in britain, from potholes anti—social potholes to anti—social behaviour. the whole behaviour. i feel like the whole country the country country is just not the country that at the risk of that i know. at the risk of sounding grumpy man, that's sounding grumpy old man, that's how we feel at the moment. the have announced plans to have announced some plans to crack anti—social behaviour . crack on anti—social behaviour. do you think they'll make a difference if they do what they say? but previously haven't really everything ? they really done everything? they announced don't seem to announced they don't seem to follow they follow through. so if they follow through. so if they follow through. so if they follow through fantastic follow through they're fantastic . need tolerance. . we need zero tolerance. i think a lot of things and one think on a lot of things and one thing that's got people talking here this morning is ultra low emission which due to be emission zone which is due to be expanded here august .

emission zone which is due to be expanded here august. i'm not expanded here in august. i'm not very impressed . see, is anybody very impressed. see, is anybody a fan of it? no no, definitely not. definitely not. it's totally going to ruin my life. it's going to jack's life there. we have a very strong views on ulez today from uxbridge. camilla thank you very much for that. kathleen i have now got ian duncan, sir ian with me, former conservative party leader and mp for chingford and woodford. and interestingly, ian's constituency is affected by ulez . that's one point you're by ulez. that's one point you're asked a question by, matt. let's just ask you that quickly. the people's panel in action here. do the people can speak directly to the politicians ? he's asked to the politicians? he's asked you about inflation and how it can be brought down? because obviously, we've had this quite high tax budget from jeremy hunt. what's your view briefly on well, i think inflation on that? well, i think inflation is coming down on is going to be coming down on quite very shortly, quite rapidly very shortly, because think the big because if you think all the big rises last year to about rises were last year to about this time, well,

rises were last year to about this time, well , inflation rises were last year to about this time, well, inflation is a comparator. so they're not going to be rising or that they're falling. fuel prices are falling. fuel prices are falling. so you will see this come. i'm pretty of come. i'm pretty certain of that. the bank of england's put up recently up the interest rates recently because that because of a problem that happened yean because of a problem that happened year, which is all happened last year, which is all the growing prices for all the crops up because of fuel costs and au crops up because of fuel costs and all the and of course all the fertilisers went massively up. do we think that you'll a level off i believe now we should off now i believe now we should having interest rates coming down i'm pretty certain down right i'm pretty certain that'll inflation that'll happen the inflation will say half i will probably they say half i think it will probably do more than that but my general view is right now, then got to right now, we've then got to start growth. we've start looking at growth. we've got going. did you got to get growth going. did you think was a growth budget? think that was a growth budget? well, it's paves the way to be able put the stuff in place able to put the stuff in place for growth, particularly. there are that he's done are some issues that he's done well chancellor but on well on the chancellor but on lower rather lower lower taxes you'd rather lower taxes. want lower taxes. oh yeah. i want lower taxes. oh yeah. i want lower taxes. lower taxes. tax taxes. i want lower taxes. tax to come down there. hope the to come down there. i hope the young that is actually young man that is actually asking the question. yeah. starting in life, need starting out in life, we need those to come down because those taxes to come down because they're many they're already paying off. many them we've got

them student fees. so we've got to very careful of to be very careful of corporation hike. mistake. corporation tax hike. a mistake. i against so i'll be i was against it. so i'll be honest with you, of people honest with you, a lot of people were against it. it's been done. ihope were against it. it's been done. i hope as soon as possible we get business taxes this is get business taxes down. this is the and you were the critical bit and you were talking about this panel talking about ulez on this panel in area is of the outer in my area is of the outer boroughs going to be hit boroughs that is going to be hit by ulez. | think boroughs that is going to be hit by ulez. i think it's an utter disaster. there's no need for it. have environmental, much it. we have environmental, much cleaner to bring it cleaner air and so to bring it up there this terrible up there is this terrible mayor's about raising mayor's idea about raising money. terrible. sadiq money. that's terrible. sadiq khan because whenever there's a problem, to slope his problem, he seems to slope his shoulders disappear. shoulders and disappear. and whenever something raise whenever is something to raise money, out . everywhere go. money, he's out. everywhere go. he's anti car. he forgets he's very anti car. he forgets the businesses need the cars and their vans to run their businesses. then all go hit by this charge. right now i've got constituents who are having to pay constituents who are having to pay extra money just across the nonh pay extra money just across the north circular to go to their main. all of this is a problem if you're a person on your retirement to retire or having retired, bought your retired, you'll have bought your last probably yeah. now last car. probably yeah. now what's going to happen is progressively? to progressively? you're going to find pay more

find yourself having to pay more money the you money because the choice you made there be no ulez made was there would be no ulez in i think there was in your area. i think there was some research which suggested that any rise public that any pay rise that public sector workers get, particularly nurses others, do have to nurses and others, do have to use their cars because they're working anti—social hours will be people working anti—social hours will be it's people working anti—social hours will be it's london people working anti—social hours will be it's london centric people think it's a london centric problem, but it isn't because that being sadiq khan is all over wanting to over the country wanting to bnng over the country wanting to bring ulez town near you. bring a ulez to a town near you. i and by the way, people i know. and by the way, people come into for work. yes. come into london for work. yes. so many of these builders are plumbers, various people plumbers, all the various people that to do that have got to come in to do work into my area will actually have to pay more money. yeah enough electricians can't on the tube ride bikes. well, they tube or ride bikes. well, they were somebody said were told to sing. somebody said a bag can carry a trolley bag that you can carry with. anyone else you see with. is anyone else you see with. is anyone else you see with a plumber or builder has to do it's shows how far do it. it's just shows how far away distant some of these away and distant some of these people hall as to people that run city hall as to exactly is going on in london. we need business. we need lower taxes. we don't need higher charges . let us very briefly charges. let us very briefly talked about the lockdown and its impact , young people, its impact, young people, because raised on the because matt raised it on the people's i know your people's panel. and i know your thinktank, has out

thinktank, the csj has come out with this very interesting research that research which suggests that before pandemic there were before the pandemic there were 60,000 children who weren't accounted they had off accounted for. they had gone off the register, to be the school register, never to be of again. that number has gone up to 140,000. why on earth doesn't the government know where kids are? why isn't there a register of them? well, i've looked at this and he's right. by looked at this and he's right. by the way, the pandemic very a lot of damage to young people. first of all, kids starting into businesses, young people learning . how do they learn the learning. how do they learn the ropes when people are not in their offices anymore? all of those things damage to them all. so schoolchildren, so now we schoolchildren, so many shut down and so many kids were not protected . and these were not protected. and these come from often lower income groups. sometimes the at risk groups. sometimes the at risk groups , many of them would. groups, many of them would. i mean, if you were a single mother in a tower block, a ten story of a 19 storey building, you've got kids back at home. you're work by the you're having to work by the way, the others that didn't way, all the others that didn't go went to work to do go to they went to work to do the deliveries, do all the amazon stuff, everything. we forget they have a

forget about them. they have a struggle, kids. that's struggle, 140,000 kids. that's hundred and 38% rise on where we were before the pandemic. this is a shocking. it's like something like 137 schools having literally in them anymore. it's horrifying that they call them the ghost kids because. they've disappeared. there's two problems. one is because many of them just disappeared from school haven't come back . and the other group, come back. and the other group, there's lots of a change, a shift in some parents by their attitude, where the kids have to be and i this be at school. and i think this is out of the back of is all come out of the back of pandemic education demands got to government. to do something in government. she absolute central she makes an absolute central requirement things to be requirement lots of things to be done. by the anti done. and by the way, anti social behaviour top social behaviour absolutely top mark prime minister is right to say it. crack down say we focus it. yes, crack down but to do more than but they've got to do more than crack down. we a fantastic organisation called onside that produces youth clubs which have really activity for people in holidays and in school time and what you actually get is where they are. they can be a fall up to 70% in anti social behaviour wise because it's a positive. you get kids in doing good

things, practical , learning things, practical, learning about responsibility . you've about responsibility. you've mentioned the prime minister there. you're supporting him even though i know you backed bofis even though i know you backed boris and indeed liz truss. but you against the windsor you voted against the windsor framework. did you do that? framework. why did you do that? for i served in for me, it's because i served in northern ireland. i lost a good friend, an old man. body has never found, by the way. never been found, by the way. they kind never to they are being kind never to tell us what happened to him. he was tortured. i back the good friday agreement. i think it was peace.i friday agreement. i think it was peace. i don't want my kids or anybody to have to ever anybody else's to have to ever go place like that and go back to a place like that and i said that to me the deal is you have to get good party back up and running and if you do that, then any arrangement you make doesn't work. and until that's happened i said i would not for any agreement that failed to do that at the time. but obviously the rebellion i mean, were 21 or 22 tories, mean, they were 21 or 22 tories, i think that voted against it sailed the commons we've sailed through the commons we've now this jiggery pokery on now had this jiggery pokery on this whatsapp group know steve baken this whatsapp group know steve baker, the former chairman of the doesn't think the lg is fit

for anymore. you don't need it anymore. is brexit dead? are we over is analogy finished? over? is the analogy finished? what's i think? what steve baker's as a minister. so there are still loads and loads of people on, all the groups talking to each other, but will remove from the group. no, no. i've done so . the lg is still i've done so. the lg is still going, but it's less potent than it well, it depends what it was. well, it depends what you mean. potent, really. it's a device to be the really the reality is that was always reality is that bill was always that that stuff was always going to go through because labour said they'd back it regardless. yes. it meant that it really yes. so it meant that it really wasn't anything other than the people i think something people up. so i think something in 48 people in the of about 48 people abstained . so are the brexiteers abstained. so are the brexiteers behind rishi against him. what we want do we want him to succeed. i want to succeed because the uk needs a good conservative government that actually delivers lower taxes. more growth also . it needs to more growth also. it needs to deliver the best things that came out of leaving, which are regulatory, allow to regulatory, that allow us to compete the rest the world. compete with the rest the world. so government, all the so the government, all of the steel this deal opens steel does that this deal opens

the to making or the way to making or improvements. but do think improvements. but do you think it's no, didn't. it's a bad deal? no, i didn't. i said doesn't do enough to do said it doesn't do enough to do what i said he wanted is personal for me and i've that all along. the reality is it all along. and the reality is it did make improvements. but did make some improvements. but the is right now europe the trouble is right now europe needs recognise they've the trouble is right now europe nee does recognise they've the trouble is right now europe nee does damagee they've the trouble is right now europe nee does damage the they've the trouble is right now europe nee does damage the good ay've the trouble is right now europe nee does damage the good friday got does damage the good friday until prepared to be until they're prepared to be reasonable produced an reasonable i've produced an alternative a whole idea alternative called a whole idea of mutual enforcement. in other words you impose these are rules you don't need worry about you don't need to worry about the it'll all be done the border. it'll all be done from the border. so, you know, these are things it can be done. i'm positive about but the i'm positive about it. but the reality is that is that reality for us is that is that the government to be on the government needs to be on the government needs to be on the foot these the front foot on all these areas. we need to make sure that people realise that a conservative can conservative government can deliver voted deliver the things that we voted for brexit quick win on boris. how you think did how do you think you did wednesday? i really watch wednesday? i didn't really watch it much. why not? i it very much. why not? because i was busy doing other things. but is finished? never is he finished? well, i never write and certainly write anybody off and certainly don't off. i think don't write boris off. i think the truth that i worry the truth is that i worry about these of committees of these sort of committees of inquiry comes months and inquiry as it comes months and months things, it's a

months after things, it's a kangaroo court. well doesn't kangaroo court. well it doesn't seem to me like it was. just seem to me like it was. i just don't think necessary don't think it's necessary because they doing? because what are they doing? they're the they're trashing over all the raking the that raking over all the issues that . already about that. or . we already know about that. or do think it's a fair do you think it's a fair process? i mean, he's made comments about harriet harman's impartiality lack i'm impartiality or lack of it. i'm not get into games not going to get into games about whether or not are about whether or not people are impartial do you impartial or not. but do you think kangaroo ish? mean, think it's kangaroo ish? i mean, i think this is what i just don't think this is what parliament well no, it was parliament does. well no, it was the beast of bolsover that used to that parliament to say. yes, that parliament is that worse when it tries to be a court of law? and also, i thought the swearing in very thought the swearing in was very strange course we are strange because of course we are not of we can't punish not a court of we can't punish somebody telling the truth. somebody not telling the truth. what do you make of the sitting in observer this morning? in the observer this morning? i don't seen don't know if you've seen it about your colleagues, about some of your colleagues, matt hancock, kwasi kwarteng, and graham brady charging and indeed graham brady charging up their services up to £10,000 for their services . now realise fake . this now we realise fake korean company you beat the block a bit in a bend you do you get these offers should you know these offers what is matt hancock worth ten grand well that's for something you have to

have him on the programme to ask him what do you think. well i just think all in all that people should smell a rat when somebody comes to them, as it were, unannounced starts were, unannounced and starts talking on a video link talking to them on a video link about much do you want. i about how much do you want. i think people need to have a little of signal going off little bit of a signal going off in back of head that in the back of the head that says something strange about this. employees this. but should these employees be services for be offering their services for thousands pounds way? thousands of pounds in this way? well, depends what the well, it depends what the services i mean, they're services are. i mean, if they're just to them about just to talk to them about business, that's business, whatever, that's probably grand. probably okay. but grand. i mean, it's well worth six grand. i can't. on how much that worth. well is that by and well i would say is that by and large should recognise well i would say is that by and largewhen should recognise well i would say is that by and largewhen somebody'ecognise well i would say is that by and largewhen somebody comesse well i would say is that by and largewhen somebody comes with that when somebody comes with you gold , you you offering you gold, you should the question why should ask the question why that's so. so we've thank you so much for joining that's so. so we've thank you so much forjoining me this that's so. so we've thank you so much for joining me this was a lovely, lovely to speak to you . lovely, lovely to speak to you. now what up to next? we are, now what we up to next? we are, i believe , going to take a very i believe, going to take a very short break, but we will get fire soon because i'm going to be speaking to sammy wilson in belfast windsor framework. belfast about windsor framework. don't anywhere. you .

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we've still got so much to come on today's camilla tominey show, including labour's lucy powell and the dup's sammy wilson. but

first, here's the news headlines with bethany elsey . camilla, with bethany elsey. camilla, thank you. good morning . it's thank you. good morning. it's 10:01. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom. offenders who commit anti—social behaviour will be forced to clean up their communities as part of the prime minister's new immediate justice scheme. under the plans set to be announced tomorrow, local authorities will be given fresh powers to quickly and visibly punish criminals. those who spray graffiti or commit other vandalism. we'll have to make good the damage within 48 hours of being given the order. good the damage within 48 hours of being given the order . the of being given the order. the penalties include picking up litter, washing police cars or doing unpaid work in shops . doing unpaid work in shops. rishi sunak says he hopes to crack down on offences which erode a community's sense of safety . labour is establishing safety. labour is establishing a review of the bbc's operations to look at the future of the

broadcaster. it follows the controversy over gary lineker's suspension from match of the day and richard sharp's helping bofis and richard sharp's helping boris johnson to secure alone. the party says the independ and bbc review panel will assess how best to ensure the future sustainability of the publicly funded broadcaster . shadow funded broadcaster. shadow culture secretary lucy powell says the organisation consistently finds itself at the centre of culture wars and that continuing the status quo is not an option . matt hancock and an option. matt hancock and kwasi kwarteng have been caught up in a sting operation , caught up in a sting operation, caught in £10,000 to consult for a non—existent company. the two former cabinet ministers were approached by a fake south korean firm set up by campaign group led by donkeys during onune group led by donkeys during online interviews , mr. hancock online interviews, mr. hancock said his daily rate would be £10,000, whilst said his daily rate would be £10,000, whilst mr. kwarteng said he would expect to be paid a similar amount every month.

employees are allowed to seek employment outside of parliament and there is no access of any wrongdoing . in total, five wrongdoing. in total, five employees took part in the interviews . the mayor of greater interviews. the mayor of greater manchester has been given a fine for going almost double the speed limit . he's been fined speed limit. he's been fined almost £2,000 after being caught driving 78 miles per hour when the limit was 40. in a statement, andy burnham said he had not been aware that the variable speed limit was in place . at least 26 people have place. at least 26 people have been killed and dozens more injured after a major tornado hit the us state of mississippi. the twister swept through the state and into alabama , cutting state and into alabama, cutting a path of destruction. 170 miles long. around 11,000 residents are still without power this morning. drone footage shows an entire town in mississippi flattened. president joe biden has described the images as heartbreaking and has offered

federal support for the recovery . you're watching gb news on tv .you're watching gb news on tv online, dvb plus radio and tnn. now it's back to manilla . now it's back to manilla. thanks for that, bethany. well welcome back. we've got a lot to come on the show, including i'm going to be speaking to the government adviser on food policy who quit his role over a lack of action by the government on obesity. we're also going on obesity. and we're also going to hearing dp, sammy to be hearing from the dp, sammy wilson, a minute. wilson, in just a minute. i'm going to ask him why the dp didn't back the windsor framework indeed dp framework and indeed what the dp does next. some of you joining me, i hope, from eastern trim. can you me ? i'm tired. me, i hope, from eastern trim. can you me ? i'm tired . yes, can you hear me? i'm tired. yes, i can hear you fine . and you may i can hear you fine. and you may have had my first question there, sammy. the dp has voted against the winds of framework. you've said this week that your party will continue to fight

against brexit, trade barriers between northern ireland and the rest of the uk. what are those barriers and how will you continue this fight ? well, first continue this fight? well, first of all, i think that even the prime minister should not have been accept this deal because it goes against what he said he was setting out to achieve. he wanted to replicate what was in the protocol bill. he didn't replicate that . and the reasons replicate that. and the reasons why we're opposed to it are very clear. first of all, northern ireland apart , part of the ireland apart, part of the united kingdom, will still be subject to eu laws being imposed under government has actually given the eu permission to impose its laws on this part of the united kingdom. second, lee and the framework document makes it quite clear that trade between gb and northern ireland, even where that trade is exclusively for people in northern ireland, will be inhibited . every good that comes inhibited. every good that comes inhibited. every good that comes in there, every lorry load comes and will have to have 100%

checks on the paperwork . one and checks on the paperwork. one and 20 lorries will be physically checked and the eu at any stage can decide to even up the level of checks if it feels that the goods are leaking into the irish republic. so all of these things and of course the governor's promise , the government has promise, the government has promised that, well, you can you can have a block or a break on eu law if you feel it's detrimental to northern ireland. actually, when the aci was examined in detail, it was quite clear that that lock would could not be used because ministers could block it, the eu could block it , an arbitration could block it, the eu could block it, an arbitration panel could block it. so, you know, even the promise of the brake on eu law, it was not in reality there . but sammy , when does this there. but sammy, when does this end?i there. but sammy, when does this end? i mean, jeffrey donaldson has talked about your seven tests not being met. i mean,

you're never going to get everything that you want and your constituents , the people of your constituents, the people of northern ireland, still don't have power sharing. so when does this end ? surely it must just go this end? surely it must just go back to stormont now for the sake of your own electorate . sake of your own electorate. well, i mean, first of all, it ends when, as unionists , we have ends when, as unionists, we have secured our place within the united kingdom and we are appealing to other unionist states in westminster to aid and abetters in that fight. i mean, and the second thing. it will it will end when as unionists , we will end when as unionists, we are no longer required through the assembly to clobber it and diverging ourselves and divorcing ourselves and taking ourselves out of the united kingdom, because that's in effect what the windsor framework leaves us doing that we would be required to, as ministers and the assembly by law under threat, that we are breaking them on steel code and therefore will be kicked out. we

would be required to implement eu laws which are imposed on northern ireland and while knowing that of course as we do, that as the windsor framework document actually states , the document actually states, the application of eu law will make us diverge further from the country to which we belong . country to which we belong. rightly, actually, states are in the frame. the framework document. so it will end when the union is secured, when we are no longer required to participate in breaking up the union. and, you know , i don't union. and, you know, i don't think that that's an unreasonable position to adopt, but it doesn't look like the unionist bone being broken up at all. so that means that then you have to accept the people of northern ireland, have to accept direct rule from london for how much longer ? sammy well, the much longer? sammy well, the framework document actually makes it quite clear that northern ireland will increasingly diverge from the union as a result of eu law being imposed and as a result of

the uk government deciding to change eu laws which currently apply change eu laws which currently apply to the rest of the united kingdom, but which they have stated they they wish to change themselves as part of the brexit freedom. so this is not a unionist claiming that the union will be broken up. the document itself, the government itself, the eu , accept that the the eu, accept that the application of eu law and the decision of the uk government to exercise quite rightly its brexit freedoms will put in jeopardy the union and, you know, if the only leverage we have at the moment is a non operation of the assembly, then we will use our leverage . so let we will use our leverage. so let me can i ask you something because we've had lots and lots and lots of discussions over the course of the last few years about this . do you regret about this. do you regret brexit? do you think brexit was now , in retrospect, a mistake ? now, in retrospect, a mistake? no, i don't regret brexit. what i regret is a spineless way in

which the conservative government , in order to get government, in order to get itself through its own difficulties, was prepared to treat northern ireland differently and have northern ireland treated as if brexit never happened and this part of the united kingdom , the the united kingdom, the referendum was a uk wide referendum. the referenda on was for the uk as a whole to leave the eu . and that's what was the eu. and that's what was promised . that's what should promised. that's what should have happened . and we had have happened. and we had a government that was prepared to abandon part of the united kingdom. now, albeit that they argue that they thought that that was only a temporary arrangement and that the eu would play ball in putting together the alternative arrangements which were promised in the political declaration. the eu didn't play ball and the uk government didn't have the courage to stand up to the eu's breaking of the arrangements, which they thought they had agreed with them . and who do you agreed with them. and who do you blame more then when it comes to previous prime ministers? whose fault is it really ? theresa

fault is it really? theresa may's? is it boris johnson for squandering his brexit opportunity ? or is it rishi opportunity? or is it rishi sunak now for coming up with this deal that you say, isn't satisfactory ? well, first of satisfactory? well, first of all, the box that we are placed in was clearly the responsibility of theresa may she made an agreement with the eu that there would be no hard border and no checks at all and nor arrangements put in place to monitor trade between northern ireland and the irish republic. once she had done that , and once once she had done that, and once we were in that box , then it was we were in that box, then it was always going to be impossible and very difficult for future prime ministers to get that changed. but i still believe that boris johnson should have stood by his promise , or if he stood by his promise, or if he had been given agreement, that this would be a temporary arrangement , then as soon as he arrangement, then as soon as he had got the trade agreement with

the eu, he should have pushed to have that temporary arrangement replaced with something which was workable and which kept the integrity of united kingdom. so theresa may put us in the position . boris johnson didn't position. boris johnson didn't fight hard enough to get us out of that position. and of course, rishi sunak sunak has tried to change it made some minor changes to it, but the fundamentals of what theresa may agreed , and i don't know what agreed, and i don't know what her motives were . did she want her motives were. did she want to use northern ireland to keep us within the remit of the eu single market and the eu customs union, i.e. the whole of the united kingdom and that and were we simply used in that way? and then of course it's we are left with the situation we have now today, where the union of the united kingdom as i mean, don't forget, terrorists tried to drag us out and bomb us out of the union. and yet they the union have been put in far more

jeopardy by the actions of a concert of the prime minister , concert of the prime minister, as opposed to the acts of the terrorists who bombed us for 35 years. but sadly , do you feel years. but sadly, do you feel betrayed by rishi sunak then, because there was this impression given about the windsor framework that the government would take the lead from the dup . the dup to be from the dup. the dup had to be happy with it. the are happy with it. the dup are unhappy with it and still it sailed through parliament. well, i think that first of all, he did try to make a difference. he did try to make a difference. he did make some differences on the last week. give him credit for that. but he has not dealt with the fundamental issues either because he felt it was too difficult or because he he felt that the consequences of pushing the eu to deal with the fundamental difficulties were going to too be great. but he certainly hasn't lived up to his own objectives because don't forget, he was the one who said that he the outcome of these

local actions would be to achieve what was in the protocol bill. so that the government didn't have to actual laterally. clearly he is not achieved anything near what was in the protocol bill. tabby wilson. thank you very much for joining me this morning from east antrim. lovely to see you . now antrim. lovely to see you. now we cover all parts of the uk on this show , so we're going to go this show, so we're going to go from northern ireland now to talk about scottish matters, because i'm sure you're familiar with the fact that nicola sturgeon has stepped down from power snp are poised to power and the snp are poised to appoint successor. i'm joined appoint a successor. i'm joined now by meghan gallagher. she's the msp for central scotland . the msp for central scotland. she's also the deputy leader of the scottish conservative party. meghan, much for meghan, thank you very much for joining morning. now joining me this morning. now let's through these let's go through these candidates because i'll be intrigued who would intrigued to know who you would like heading up the snp like to see heading up the snp for political reasons. so we've got obviously humza yousaf, we've kate forbes and ash we've got kate forbes and ash regan. we've got kate forbes and ash regan . who would meghan like to regan. who would meghan like to go regan. who would meghan like to 9° up

regan. who would meghan like to go up against in parliament in scotland ? good morning . and i scotland? good morning. and i think no matter who wants to model, scotland is going to lose as a result. so for me will be no candidate . i think each of no candidate. i think each of them will not from any real deference to the people of scotland . but there must be scotland. but there must be somebody who you're thinking actually, there'd be an easier opponent. you've had nicola sturgeon, who like her or loathe , formidable , has been a formidable political force in scotland for quite some time. you've got yousaf, who has had a few. he's made a few mistakes. hasn't he had that dreadful episode where he was asking ukrainian women whether husbands were you've got kate forbes, who is controversial because of her very, very religious views. you've got ash regan, who's very much aligned with alex salmond. so what's the best prospect out of those three, just politically speaking, for the conservatives in scotland ? well, i think all in scotland? well, i think all no matter who wins , there's no matter who wins, there's going to be as a baby within the snp. so i think that that is

good news for the scottish conservative hopes because we able to offer a real alternative to the people of scotland because as you say, you know, each of the candidates has got some baggage . you know, i think some baggage. you know, i think all of the campaigns have been gaffe prone. for example . and gaffe prone. for example. and it's the point that you've raised in terms of yousaf raised in terms of humza yousaf when he was visiting ukrainian women, he did say , you know, women, he did say, you know, we're all the men. know, if we're all the men. you know, if you with the room, how on you can't with the room, how on earth you run a country? earth can you run a country? you've kate in terms you've got kate forbes. in terms of own campaign, you know, of our own campaign, you know, you've prominent snp figures you've got prominent snp figures who , you know, they've who say, you know, they've struggled to serve an acute form of government. and i think she'll leave the snp bitterly divided and people at shriek. and i don't think actually you can as and contention. but again she's had some pretty bizarre policies as well. you know if you if you look at the independent trade disarmament tour hoping to place in tour she was hoping to place in either glasgow and edinburgh. so i think, you know, no matter who wins, think as an opportunity wins, i think as an opportunity for us, the scottish for us, as the scottish conservatives and because we'll

be able to promote something other than independence, because independence seems to be the only policy that unites all three candidates. but again, the can't even agree and how you would actually separate scotland from the united kingdom . but the from the united kingdom. but the trouble is , meghan, i suppose trouble is, meghan, i suppose people do regard maybe even the terms scottish conservative to be a bit of a oxymoron these days.i be a bit of a oxymoron these days. i mean, you're rather lesser spotted now in terms of seats in scotland. you've got an enormous battle on your hands. you've had this snp party draped in the saltire a capella ing up support. labour's the biggest threat to them, let's be honest, not the conservatives. so how did the tories pull it back around north of the border? so if you look at the scottish parliament itself, i mean it's very hard to distinguish scottish labour from the snp because they seem to vote on major policies together and there's very little difference between the two of them. so that's where we can come in as

an alternative . party to offer an alternative. party to offer an alternative. party to offer an alternative. party to offer an alternative vision through our policies, which i hope in turn unveil our conference in a few weeks time. but i think that's the key difference. we are actually different from the rest of the political parties in scotland and i think that's the key difference. the reports , key difference. the reports, yes, as always, a challenge . you yes, as always, a challenge. you know, i'm a scottish conservative. i live 10 minutes away from ravenscraig , so it is away from ravenscraig, so it is away from ravenscraig, so it is a challenge for the scottish conservatives, but it's one that we always take on. and in fact the electoral success that we've had, you know, in terms of going from the third largest party in scotland to the second largest party in scotland, to me retained that last scottish retained that the last scottish parliamentary election . we have parliamentary election. we have a lot to quite a lot to fight for and if you look at the key target seats coming up for the general election next year, it's up to the scottish conservative who in a better place to win who are in a better place to win back seats that were lost in 2019, whereas labour do have a bit of an uphill struggle there in order to win seats and the

key target areas . do you think key target areas. do you think you're going to be better off with rishi sunak as prime minister come the next general election than boris johnson? because we know that he has been unpopular in parts of the uk, england, wales , wherever, but england, wales, wherever, but particularly in scotland . boris particularly in scotland. boris johnson did seem to be anathema to a lot of people . so are the to a lot of people. so are the tories better up of up north without boris johnson ? well, without boris johnson? well, i've always said that boris johnson as a marmite character and you know, i think rishi sunak has been able to steady the ship, particularly here in scotland. and it was great to see you actually. sunak you know, and in scotland, you know , just weeks after becoming prime minister and to unveil and the freeports . so it was great the freeports. so it was great to see that and i'm looking forward to seeing rishi certainly you know, in the near future and i know that rishi sunak scored a lot of time and care for scotland, so i'm really

looking forward to seeing how he is going to unveil other , other is going to unveil other, other big policies that will benefit people in scotland . nick going people in scotland. nick going back in. so meghan, what do you think then with regard to devolution as a concept, do you think in retrospect it's been a mistake ? has it emboldened the mistake? has it emboldened the nationalists to become this to have this stranglehold over scottish politics, that it's very difficult for the likes of you and for labour and the lib dems to undo, while i mean, i like the concept of devolution and i think devolution works because i like to see, you know, decisions being made as close to home as possible. and i think when you look at, you know, areas such as, you know, the nhs , our education, you know, being able to to, provide and public services , although those areas services, although those areas have not been well maintained under the snp , i think that has under the snp, i think that has potential and where we can invest in these areas and actually bring in really good policy that can be you know, for example , scotland's education example, scotland's education system, world class again and we

can, you don't improve and the state of an nhs and also offer those vital public services that people local communities people in local communities really need. so i think devolution in that respect can work, but i think the snp have certainly abused that in recent years and have tried to use that to their advantage to further their own selfish obsession of independence . so i think when independence. so i think when used would use right and devolution can work for scotland . meghan gallagher, thank you so much for joining . meghan gallagher, thank you so much forjoining me this morning much for joining me this morning .thank much for joining me this morning . thank you. well we've had a little we've had a little bit of a political clarity because lucy powell was due to be on the show and she's been squeezed. and now we can't speak to her. so i'm going to bring nicko in back in, who reviewed papers with me, who reviewed the papers with me, because of the day, because at the end of the day, nick, a lot of nick, you've got a lot of interesting things say. first interesting things to say. first of all, i wanted to ask you, if you don't mind, this issue of bbc bias and impartiality has been massively in the news because of the gary lineker scenario. i just wondered

because you are a veteran newsreader and i think you're pretty inscrutable . what do you pretty inscrutable. what do you make of fact that lineker make of the fact that lineker got into this trouble and there is now this debate about whether there be a difference there should be a difference between journalists speaking out on twitter, sports pundits in general. what's your reaction to that story? well, i mean , first that story? well, i mean, first of all, i have to say, i was appalled by what lineker said. why? well, i was it wasn't so much his view of, you why? well, i was it wasn't so much his view of , you know, the much his view of, you know, the way immigrants are treated and so on. it was his allusion to things that happened back in the 19305 things that happened back in the 1930s in germany. let's be very clear what happened in germany , clear what happened in germany, the rise the party , they're the rise of the party, they're trying they wanted to eradicate the jewish population and all their opponents well . and so their opponents as well. and so their opponents as well. and so the people they they pushed a lot of people out of the country. and others they killed in the camps in their millions. so how can you possibly , so how can you possibly, possibly liken that to anything the is happening here in terms of trying to control immigration? i just think that

gary lineker was sort of, you know, was a barmy thing to say . know, was a barmy thing to say. so. so why on earth should anybody take the slightest nofice anybody take the slightest notice of him? no, that's the other thing. i mean, is that that's why he paid 1.3 million for doing a job that he does very competently. but at the same thousands people same time, thousands of people are for. second of are queuing up for. second of all, did you say it as all, what did you say it as a freedom of speech issue? or did you just this is you just think this is a contractual role? i thought it was a contractual rory, really. i mean, yes, i everybody i mean, yes, i know everybody has freedom speech in a way , has freedom of speech in a way, but when you have a position like he does, he represents the bbc million and the millions of people who are interested in football and think what the things that he say are very important. so as he has a specific role and i think somebody should have said to him much earlier on, hang on a minute, gary, let's just please no more of those sort of tweets . so however he does it. that's my very basic view. it's not very sophisticated. it is it. but when you reduce reader b, presumably it was drilled into you that shouldn't really be

you that you shouldn't really be expressing any appreciate. perhaps starting at a perhaps he was starting at a time didn't have social time that didn't have social media i you on media right? i mean, you on twitter. yeah i am no, but twitter. yeah i am not. no, but probably very sensible. nothing to do with social but nothing to do with social media at all. the bbc has a particular role to play bbc has a particular role to play and is governed by ofcom, which is the regulator and so on. as indeed is other broadcasters like itn and gb news indeed comes under ofcom quite rightly scrutiny as well, andindeed quite rightly scrutiny as well, and indeed it does . and i never and indeed it does. and i never had a difficulty with this thing. i i know we can argue exactly what impartiality is . exactly what impartiality is. doesit exactly what impartiality is. does it just mean not having opinion about anything? it just means that you leave your opinions at the door. yes, gary, you there to talk about football, which you do brilliantly? well, for goodness sake . isn't that isn't that sake. isn't that isn't that enough? but have, you know, channel on trend, you know , channel on trend, you know, among among among maybe it's among journalists general . we saw journalists in general. we saw emily she criticise emily maitlis she was criticise for her prelude at the beginning of newsnight. it was a mistake. that was a mistake in my view.

she overstepped the she didn't she overstepped the mark. did. yes she mark. yes, she did. yes she overstepped the mark. but why do you think is happening? you think this is happening? because think when first because i think when you first started journalism, i mean, started out, journalism, i mean, is ego involved is there too much ego involved these well, these days? maybe. is it? well, i think the thing is, gb i think i think the thing is, gb news is all part of this revolution of bringing more and more the more broadcasters out into the open broadcasters that open and among broadcasters that and good. and people and jolly good. and some people with very opinionated views. i think people yourself think people kamila yourself i think people kamila yourself i think read a lot of your think we read a lot of your material in the daily telegraph. we on sunday we know we on the sunday telegraph, you telegraph, we know where you stand and that's jolly stand on issues and that's jolly good, it's a very different good, but it's a very different thing you're in the position thing if you're in the position of of the of being the head of the prominent in the news operation side of things . and when it side of things. and when it comes to football, that's another separate world. i've got nothing to do with. we don't want to we don't want to hear those that is my view. those views. that is my view. but clear. and a final but my very clear. and a final quick because i was quick question, because i was also intrigued to find out what you about the treatment also intrigued to find out what yo fiona about the treatment also intrigued to find out what yo fiona bruce.out the treatment also intrigued to find out what yo fiona bruce. she he treatment also intrigued to find out what yo fiona bruce. she is treatment also intrigued to find out what yo fiona bruce. she is on�*atment of fiona bruce. she is on question time. she's having to basically of say a basically sort of say a legal disclaimer because somebody had made about stanley made a remarkable about stanley

johnson treatment his johnson and his treatment of his wife she wife and then she gets castigated by the rights castigated by the women's rights lobby and made to feel absolutely awful and abused on social i mean, what's it social media. i mean, what's it coming who are coming to if people who are presenting like me i have presenting like me often i have a producer my ear saying just a producer in my ear saying just caveat that just put that into context legal or ofcom context for legal or ofcom reasons she it and reasons and then she gets it and then gets criticised. i know then she gets criticised. i know it is really is it? it is really awful. is it? there's this other story around some shirley ballas of some that shirley ballas of a strictly dancing judge strictly come dancing judge saying that she's having a terrible time when she decides that somebody has got to go off the show and then she gets an enormous amount of abuse. pasha but why you also but why? why are you also concerned twitter is saying concerned what twitter is saying on it doesn't mean anything . why on it doesn't mean anything. why we should be following your lead and come off twitter. is and just come off twitter. is that saying? to stay that what you're saying? to stay away stay away it. away from it? stay away from it. stay from it all. sage stay away from it all. sage words a wise journalistic words from a wise journalistic owl from wise owl to owl. now from one wise owl to another . owl. now from one wise owl to another. michael owl. now from one wise owl to another . michael portillo, another. michael portillo, as evenis another. michael portillo, as ever, is here, 11:00, my fellow gb news presenter, michael , we gb news presenter, michael, we lost our labour interview, but we did speak to ideas and we have spoken to meghan gallagher

and i that you watch my and i know that you watch my show as you're show religiously as you're preparing your so what preparing for your show. so what did you make of what both politicians me this politicians told me this morning? i'm going to be morning? well, i'm going to be following up some of the themes that you've been talking about today, because i think it has indeed quite an interesting indeed been quite an interesting week in british politics. the northern has passed northern ireland vote has passed through and now through the commons and now i think big question is think the big question is whether the will rejoin whether the dup will rejoin powersharing and we are going to hear the new scottish leader announce tomorrow at 2:00 in edinburgh. and i won't be asking on my programme. following up from your two interviews, whether we think that the united kingdom is more secure. i i might say to you after your discussions just now with nick carrion, two things. first of all, what i'm wearing today is a hopeless display of partiality. i'm wearing my cambridge college badge, my cambridge college bow tie, because today is the boat race and i am rooting for cambridge and i've got two olympian oarsman who rode for cambridge coming on the program

as well . and just to show that as well. and just to show that you can yes. that you can participate in activities away from television that don't get you into trouble . nick? erin, you into trouble. nick? erin, i once came across driving a train in brighton because he volunteers on the folks electric railway and what is very splendid piece of voluntary work thatis splendid piece of voluntary work that is and that gets him into no trouble whatsoever . well, no trouble whatsoever. well, that's that, that's the kind of extracurricular activity we expect from your average newsreader and being involved in railways. and i know that there's a shared passion for biking. can i just say i love biking. can ijust say i love that jacket? that is absolutely superb. and we know that sartorially you do lead the way at gb news. i hope you're happy with what i'm wearing today, but i can't ever better you, michael, at how you're looking . michael, at how you're looking. absolutely marvellous, fab and appropriate . all right. we shall appropriate. all right. we shall do our own fashion show at some point in the future. now don't go anywhere, because we're going to be getting the reaction from the people's panel. we're the people's panel. and we're also to speaking to

also going to be speaking to a government who's quit government adviser who's quit his he doesn't his role because he doesn't think government doing think the government is doing enough that in enough on obesity. all that in just jiffy. don't go anywhere just a jiffy. don't go anywhere

welcome back to the camilla tominey. it's been fun and games here this morning and we still got more fun and games to come. we're going to go back to the people's panel which is in people's panel now, which is in uxbndge people's panel now, which is in uxbridge and south islip, because thought we'd go to because we thought we'd go to boris's out what boris's patch and find out what people they're catherine people think they're catherine forster political forster gb news is political reporter is there what's the panel catherine hope panel saying? catherine i hope matt appreciates that we've got his directly to i.d.s, his question directly to i.d.s, which what show is all which is what this show is all about. which is what this show is all about . yes, matt was very about. yes, matt was very impressed that you began with that question. camilla thank you. let's see what matt made of that.ian you. let's see what matt made of that. ian duncan smith's answer and what the government needs to do for young people in general.

i think it was really positive what he said . one thing i would what he said. one thing i would note is that we still we still need more for young people since covid, you know , youth clubs are covid, you know, youth clubs are gone. and i think that we know before i went to uni there was a lot of there wasn't much to do and people results anti—social behaviour because there's nothing to do you end up going going outside we need to going outside about we need to find more for young people is really important. yeah kids need opfions really important. yeah kids need options don't they. activities that they can do to keep them busy often. evening rather than, as say, out and doing as you say, going out and doing things they shouldn't things that they shouldn't be doing . so, natalie, talking doing. so, natalie, talking about children young people, about children and young people, something you from something really you from the conversation. tell us that. yes. so missing children so the went from 60000 to 140000. and how is that being able to happen and what are they doing about that? is there anything that put in place to find them? it's very shocking, isn't it? an enormous number of children not in school

. it seems barely believable and yet. it's and yet it's happening . and you have got nieces and nephews and stepchildren. just briefly, how was lockdown for them? well i think i mentioned before i live next door to my brother and sister in law. so we obviously saw them quite a lot over the fence and things. but it's difficult. they're inside. there's only so much you can give them to do and it was hard to buy so oh, well, my to buy it. so oh, well, my cakes, was it was so hard cakes, they was it was so hard to certain ingredients to get certain ingredients and things difficult . and things is it's difficult. and our live with us our stepdaughter live with us through that lockdown. again, being well, it's and they being older. well, it's and they just get bored. it's difficult children paid a very high price for lockdown, didn't they ? and for lockdown, didn't they? and of course, covid didn't affect them, but they were shut away, a lot of them as well. and also, of course, there's the story today about several big conserver tive employees that were done in an undercover operation and for potential £10,000 a day for consultancy

work . kwasi kwarteng, former work. kwasi kwarteng, former chancellor of the exchequer and former health secretary matt hancock, who of course is not currently a conservative he had the whip suspended and jack, you have some thoughts about mps pay and second jobs. yeah i'm in my opinion mp should get paid a lot more money maybe double or treble what they get now about the amount of a c of a medium sized company and if they've got that much time to work on other projects and they're obviously not doing job for their not doing their job for their constituents properly at the moment. so my idea be give moment. so my idea would be give them more money, make sure them more money, but make sure that haven't got all these that they haven't got all these outside don't outside interests or they don't need these interests need all these outside interests because get paid a sensible because they get paid a sensible amount they can amount of money, but they can concentrate country concentrate on the country growth the country and their growth of the country and their constituents can needs . that constituents can needs. that would be more of in my opinion. yes of course, currently completely legal to have second jobs, lots of questions jobs, but lots of questions about potential. they need a second job, how they got time to do a second job if they're doing

their work their constituency work properly. potential properly. yes, i'm potential conflicts prime conflicts of interest, prime minister. yes and also just minister. yes yes. and also just finally, rishi sunak has had some wins recently . how do you some wins recently. how do you think he's getting on? i mean, we're hearing the prime minister, but once constituency rishi sunak, what do you reckon the tories about 30 years to do all these things that he's promised to do in the next few months. coincidentally just about a year before the election, i, ijust about a year before the election, i, i just think it's all just bluster and smoke and mirrors, to be honest . let's see mirrors, to be honest. let's see what . you know, i can't what happens. you know, i can't see it happening, but most of it should have been done a long time. time? yeah. well, i think a lot of people would agree with that. he's unemployed. but matt, you party you are a conservative party member. you have a more member. do you have a more favourable sunak ? favourable view of rishi sunak? i do. i really like rishi sunak. i do. i really like rishi sunak. i think he's he's got a very difficult position in difficult position he's in and he's handling i mean, he's he's handling it. i mean, he's he's handling it. i mean, he's made a lot promises as he's made a lot of promises as anything say. and i want to anything i'd say. and i want to see a bit more of that delivery.

but you know, i do see him really possibly i agree really possibly i don't agree with of things he does. with some of the things he does. however the conservative however for the conservative party mean, what party at this time. i mean, what really you do without really can you do without causing of fuss for. causing too much of a fuss for. indeed, i they've certainly got a mountain to climb haven't they . from us in the . so that's it from us in the people's panel boris people's panel in boris johnson's oxford constituency. i think it stopped raining . come think it stopped raining. come on down to the water's edge if you're around. it's very lovely here. back to you in the here. but back to you in the studio. great job, studio. camilla great job, katherine, as ever. and the panel katherine, as ever. and the panel, if you want to apply for next week's panel, do go to gb news dot uk forward slash panel. it's as easy as that and i'm delighted to be joined. henry dimbleby the co—founder dimbleby now is the co—founder of listen of the restaurant trade. listen to get lunch chats. to sometimes get by lunch chats. i he's also the i must admit. he's also the author of a new book called ravenous. and you were former ravenous. and you were a former government adviser on food, but you come i quit? you quit. how come i quit? because i wanted to speak out about some of the issues. they commission me to do a national food strategy, to look into how we grow our food we create, grow our food in a way that stops making a sick and destroying the environment. and i out about that,

i wanted to talk out about that, particularly so the particularly on health. so the food we that's meant to keep particularly on health. so the foc alive that's meant to keep particularly on health. so the focalive killshat's meant to keep particularly on health. so the focalive kills moremeant to keep particularly on health. so the foc alive kills more people 0 keep particularly on health. so the foc alive kills more people every) us alive kills more people every year than covid because it's processed, because it's a processed, because it's a process , because because we have process, because because we have this power for appetite, our appetite make us do appetite will make us do extraordinary things. evolved in a where calories were a world where calories were scarce and 85% of the foods that food companies now process and make for us is deemed unhealthy by the world health organisation . too unhealthy to market kids and they have hacked into our appetite . so they market it, appetite. so they market it, they sell us more, we eat more, we get sick. yeah. bye bye. 20, 35. we will be spending more in the nhs treating type two diabetes of all cancers as and also it is now meaning that people aren't working that sick. so what happens? you have the nhs, you have a state attached to the nhs rather than the other way round and we describe it. i mean this is astonishing if these figures are true , 1% of these figures are true, 1% of people were obese in 1950. the prediction is that 80% of us

will be obese by 2060. overweight and obese by 2050, 28. 28% of us are obese today . 28. 28% of us are obese today. and it is humans haven't changed we are biologically we haven't evolved . the food system has evolved. the food system has changed. and if there's there are two ways this goes so that the problem is our appetite isn't suitable for this food system and the food system isn't suitable for the appetite. i worry that we go down the drug route so we these appetite route so we have these appetite suppressant drugs . there's been route so we have these appetite sllot'essant drugs . there's been route so we have these appetite sllot issant drugs . there's been route so we have these appetite sllot i make drugs . there's been route so we have these appetite sllot i make augs . there's been route so we have these appetite sllot i make a lot . there's been route so we have these appetite sllot i make a lot aboute's been route so we have these appetite sllot i make a lot about that.een a lot i make a lot about that. we're going to magnetite we're going to be as the trade name is emphasise prevent rather than emphasise prevent it rather than go very go so they they're very effective stopping you being effective in stopping you being hungry. i can see a situation where 20 million people are permanently medicated. so i can do depressants. you have to basically take them for life permanently medicated rather than tackling. but the food system, this is where i'm uncomfortable with this. i mean, is it really the states role to interfere in what people are eating? i mean know it's nanny state issues and i know you're

in favour of sugar taxes and all that you could to people that you could speak to people at cola or whatever and say, well, look, a full fat coke these tastes like it's these days tastes like it's got far than it ever had. far less sugar than it ever had. back the 1980s, i was back in the 1980s, when i was down cokes and eating down in cokes and eating sherbet. dave davis and chris says, what else? know, we're says, what else? you know, we're better now about food. says, what else? you know, we're betteis now about food. says, what else? you know, we're betteis it now about food. says, what else? you know, we're betteis it for now about food. says, what else? you know, we're betteis it for you 10w about food. says, what else? you know, we're betteis it for you toy about food. says, what else? you know, we're betteis it for you to tell)ut food. says, what else? you know, we're betteis it for you to tell fat food. why is it for you to tell fat people that they eat what people that they can't eat what they're well, it's they're like? well, it's a really one. and actually, really tricky one. and actually, i not i am not a big fan on i am not i am not a big fan on the whole of state and federal. i've to deal leon with i've had to deal in leon with tables chairs, inspect tables and chairs, inspect foreign offices, you know. but you to choice about you have to make a choice about where free market is. an where the free market is. an amazing thing. where the free market is. an amazing thing . but occasionally amazing thing. but occasionally things go wrong and it causes problems . and this is an area problems. and this is an area where you have a choice. you either don't do anything and either don't do anything and either the what happens is the nhs collapses , the tax receipts nhs collapses, the tax receipts go down. so you have to make a choice. so at least you don't have to do that. tell people what to do. you do things like restrict advertising junk restrict advertising of junk food children . that is a food to children. that is a wildly popular actually wildly popular thing, actually makes food cheaper. the government do and

government said that do it and then they didn't. so then and then they didn't. so bofis then and then they didn't. so boris came out having boris johnson came out having thought going to die. he thought he was going to die. he said he going to do it. and said he was going to do it. and then have the little kind then they have the little kind of in air, itv in the of voices in the air, itv in the air saying, to not air saying, oh, going to not worry it. but that's true. worry about it. but that's true. bofis worry about it. but that's true. boris johnson, because he was going on about obesity a lot, because he that own because he felt that his own weight affected his covid and nearly killed him. but then what happened? was making of happened? was he making all of the initially and the right sounds initially and then just filtered away then it all just filtered away in a a johnson way, perhaps. in a in a johnson way, perhaps. so have i mean, you know, so you have i mean, you know, this have in government all this you have in government all of different departments at of the different departments at for their kind of industry. so the department for culture will be saying, no, we can't ban advertising because we won't be able to make children's programmes because itv has been telling them, well, had telling them, well, i had a meeting they'd be meeting with itv, they'd be telling this, would telling them this, this would be a disaster death for the a disaster and death for the department environment food department for environment, food and rural affairs will be saying, this would bad saying, oh, this would be bad food companies, so you need a strong centre for anything that's quite complicated and systemic, like this. you need a strong centre who will kind of, you know , bring those interests

you know, bring those interests together make a decision. together and make a decision. and obviously, i think one and obviously, i think the one thing we say about boris thing we can say about boris johnson's government what johnson's government and what boris, boris liked to boris johnson liked to be nice to the last person he was in the room. so he was not there. so my guess is what happened is he came out thinking, i'm going to do this. and then he got words in his hands and he lost his way and he didn't anything. and then didn't do anything. and then what we saying? said to what are we saying? we said to the producers, this the food producers, this is actually fault because actually your fault because you're bread you're putting sugar in bread and putting different and you're putting 35 different ingredients egg sandwich ingredients in an egg sandwich and it's necessary. and none of it's necessary. are you saying we need to get back to the and just sort of to the 1950s and just sort of have a quite simple meat and to veg diet, not have too much processed eat fruit and processed stuff, eat fruit and vegetables yeah, almost a vegetables? yeah, almost like a rationing diet . i i would rationing diet. i would i would not advocate rationing, although funnily enough , the least funnily enough, the least affluent , the healthiest are the affluent, the healthiest are the end of the war because they had eaten more meat and more vegetables than they had been able to afford. but i'm not in favour of rationing the food companies as stuck in this

companies are as stuck in this problem are if they don't problem as we are if they don't market us, then market this stuff to us, then someone else will. so can't someone else will. so you can't go there. i think there are two things that we need to do. one is we too much processed is we do eat too much processed food the long term, we food and over the long term, we need to change our food culture. you can change food culture. we've it's we've done it before. it's a long thing and the meantime long term thing and the meantime we that process we need to make that process food bad for us, and that food less bad for us, and that requires government to working families. you know, i'm busy , families. you know, i'm busy, actually. two jobs, this one in the telegraph don't always have time to cook, and therefore you do quick solutions in. and do get quick solutions in. and that's happening and more that's happening more and more because i'm being because baby, i'm not being sexist this. mothers sexist about this. more mothers are and therefore people are working and therefore people are working and therefore people are expedite the are having to expedite the cooking . i mean, we say cooking process. i mean, we say in the book that one of the reasons we lost the cooking skills is that women, not because it, but because they loved it, but because they loved it, but because that was social because that was the social order cooking, the order did the cooking, the cleaning, you know, worked incredibly when women incredibly hard. and when women came , we lost came into the workforce, we lost some that. but doesn't some of that. but that doesn't mean we can't get it back mean that we can't get it back for both men. i have to mention cooking in our hats, but that doesn't can't get it

doesn't mean we can't get it back. my husband, found back. so my husband, we found a terrible. but, henry, the point is, is coming out. is, this book is coming out. when is it came out? on thursday. came out on thursday. ravenous going back ravenous you're not going back to and advising to the government and advising them. no, i'm not. and them. no no, i'm not. and hopefully kind of it's hopefully this is a kind of it's written with my wife, who is written by with my wife, who is a colleague of yours and somebody and is it is somebody like us and it is it is a gripping read. i say that a gripping read. i can say that because i'm not talking about myself. talking about myself. i'm talking about something although something which although i don't like said about like what you said about children, cereal, children, not eating cereal, because my children because i'm afraid my children seem to eating cereal. seem to be eating more cereal. cereal going out of cereal like it's going out of fashion minutes, having fashion every 5 minutes, having weetabix i don't know whether anyone that anyone else is experiencing that anyway. anywhere anyway. don't go anywhere because this, i'm going to because after this, i'm going to be speaking to a blind campaigner calling for the government to tackle government to do more to tackle the shortage guide dogs. the uk shortage of guide dogs. and brought dog guide and she brought her dog guide dog and he's adorable. so please stay tuned for i'll see stay tuned for that. i'll see you just a minute

welcome back . just before we

welcome back. just before we came on air this morning, i spoke with a lovely lady called jill allen king, who's a blind campaigner. and she's been calling on the government to do more to the uk's guide more to tackle the uk's guide dog she came into dog shortage. she came into the studio with her mp adam studio along with her mp adam firth dog jacker, who firth and guide dog jacker, who was adorable . and started was just adorable. and i started off asking anna what the off by asking anna what the campaign is all about. so jill is an absolute southend legend . is an absolute southend legend. jill has got an mp and an obe for her work in helping people with sight problems . and i went with sight problems. and i went to her church a few weeks ago and she told me that she is about to lose jaguar , that the about to lose jaguar, that the guide dogs are going to come and take his harness away in june . take his harness away in june. and for jill, that take his harness away in june. and forjill, that is a and for jill, that is a disaster. she's had guide dogs for 51 years. it keeps her fed. it keeps her healthy . and jaguar it keeps her healthy. and jaguar is a completely healthy working dog.soi is a completely healthy working dog. so i asked jill what was going on and it appears there is a national shortage of guide dogs. but my as jill's mp is someone who's done so much for others it should be the very

last person who her independence and what we do here, quite simply, is if a dog is healthy andifs simply, is if a dog is healthy and it's fit and it's willing to work , just let the dog carry on work, just let the dog carry on for a little bit longer. now, jill, i know you're very to this world of campaigning . you've world of campaigning. you've been on the telly, on the radio a lot over the course of your life. you've done so much for blind you introduced blind people. you introduced what call the braille pavement what i call the braille pavement . tactile pavements, . so the tactile pavements, which blind people which means that blind people can road safely. it's can cross the road safely. it's sort of ironic, then, that you should find yourself in this situation of potentially being out without a dog. tell me how important jaguar and all the dogs you've had have been to you over the years. well, because i wasn't totally blind when i was 24 and spent seven years virtually housebound, only went out with anybody, took me out. that was really because i had my daughter in the first year and i didn't want to go away for the fall. which training and i didn't really know anything

about guide dog, so i didn't know about being totally blind, which was a different world to me. and i did campaign to start with a long cane training , but with a long cane training, but that gave me no confidence at all. and so i ventured , i did go all. and so i ventured, i did go for my first guide dog to say in 1971. and that changed your life? presumably changed my life completely. i mean, she gave me back all the confidence lost when i went blind. she gave me my mobility so that i could go out when i wanted to go out, not when my husband or my parents could take me out. i was able to go out. i could take jaclyn to school on my own, but the first thing that happened , jaclyn to thing that happened, jaclyn to the local library and straightaway i was refused access with my with with tops , access with my with with tops, which defies the point of you being the independence that the dog afforded you. precisely. and so for five days she has i've

been campaigning to improve access on all aspect sets for blind people and guide dogs and the environment , blind people and guide dogs and the environment, as blind people and guide dogs and the environment , as you've blind people and guide dogs and the environment, as you've said. and haven't been. i was only without a guide dog for 12 weeks when my first guide dog died, when my first guide dog died, when she was 12 and a quarter and in those days i had no time limit and right, right. and in those days i had no time limit and right, right . and so limit and right, right. and so from then on i've had now my full face and six guide dogs were allowed to work. so they were allowed to work. so they were 11. yes and even my full guide to call on there was nothing wrong with 11 either. and my vet said it was cruel and wicked to make her retire because nothing wrong with her. she wanted to work and i couldn't say then. and she looked 15 and half and jack. jack is actually i mean, yes, he's he's been checked by marvet on december the 22 that he was fine not showing any signs of

ageing because having all those dogsi ageing because having all those dogs i know of them get tumours and their legs go so i know what happens to them when they get older. and jack , not none of older. and jack, not none of that has happened . so guide that has happened. so guide dogs, i don't know whether i didn't believe my vet, but they certainly wanted a check by their vet which was checked on their vet which was checked on the 7th of march and we went up to the training centre where he was checked and he's fine again. no, no . so he's been checked no, no. so he's been checked out. basically what you're saying is and another year at least have another year of jack it being with jill helping her through her daily life . i know through her daily life. i know you've spoken to the prime minister about. so tell us about this. you had a meeting with rishi sunak anna. yes. so we as we're that where a dog is we're saying that where a dog is fit and well and that's very important because it's a safety issue. if the dog is fit and well and the dog wants to work, then why not let the dog carry on? and then both parties, jill

and the dog be happy and and the dog will be happy and independent. jill came with independent. but jill came with me last week to a reception at number 10 for community champs inns, and jill is a community champion . she's a national champion. she's a national champion. she's a national champion. she's a national champion. she's she's a national treasure. and she met rishi sunak and i think you should tell the story, jill, because you didn't you didn't let go of his hand. i mean, i've learnt over the years meeting ministers of the in the past originally i would shake hands with them and then i'd let go and they'd walk away and i didn't know that gong was fantastic . cleveland and i was fantastic. cleveland and i end up talking to myself. so my policy now is to hold the hand not told retreat. so i'll hang on to him for the i don't know how long i was talking to him. too long. i'll take the hang on to give him a copy of my autobiography , drew, and said, autobiography, drew, and said, read that . i've got these here read that. i've got these here and chapter which we shall show here, you know. what did he say to you, jill? well, he said he was shocked . he sounded shocked

was shocked. he sounded shocked that there's a thousand people waiting for a guide dog and he said, try now you're on to it. and she said , yes, she is. and and she said, yes, she is. and he said, let me know if i can help in any way. now i mean, i promised there's not a lot he can do, but there's a lot of other people can do to help because i'm not just concerned about myself , cause those about myself, cause those thousand people , there are thousand people, there are people like me that have been mobile . and we're being told mobile. and we're being told that we've got to achieve nine months or two years. and i know before, although they're trying to blame the lockdown, prior to the lockdown down, my friend on the lockdown down, my friend on the she had to wait three and a half years for her phone got i mean even david blunkett had to wait up to two years for his replacement dog. so when you've beenin replacement dog. so when you've been in japan to have your mobility taken away , i mean i'm mobility taken away, i mean i'm 83 now and i still won't be able

to go out . a dog gives you an to go out. a dog gives you an incentive to out every day . i incentive to out every day. i mean, i know what i mean in a nutshell. what can be done? i think we can solve this by bye, by making sure that we look at the dogs. if the dog is fit and healthy and willing to work , healthy and willing to work, then let the dog carry on. obviously, if the dog isn't fit and healthy, it wouldn't be right. it wouldn't be fair on the and it might be unsafe. the dog and it might be unsafe. so let's just take an individual approach to this. not have approach to this. let's not have approach to this. let's not have a ban on dogs retiring a blanket ban on dogs retiring for and a national for and a local and a national legend like jill, we've really got to do everything we can to keep her active and keep her making a difference for. others. absolutely. thank so absolutely. ladies, thank you so much should much for joining me. should we just tribute to jackie, who just pay tribute to jackie, who we're to be working we're not meant to be working with children or animals in television? and the stock has been dream. it's been an absolute dream. so it's no to keep no wonder that you want to keep it. yeah. he got his pride of britain. a gold medal from polo . is, well, deservedly . great. is, well, deservedly so. very, very much so. thank you very, very much indeed. ladies, lovely to see you morning. you. you this morning. thank you. it's be on. what what,

it's lovely to be on. what what, what what a lovely lady. now, we'll be back next week at 930 with labour and the conservatives up next in a great jacket is michael portillo .

i just read the headlines we made morning and welcome to sunday with michael portillo. with 2 hours of good conversation , arts and conversation, arts and entertainment, ethical dilemmas and a of the ridiculous two. it's been an important week in british politics. the scottish nationalist, divisive leadership contest drew to its close and the windsor agreement between the windsor agreement between the british government and the european union over