t0 to where this is. dewbs& c0 160 million quid. to where this is. dewbs& co 160 million quid. that is the price tag of today's anti social behaviour crackdown . this has behaviour crackdown. this has been announced by rishi sunak. it's got all kinds in it. people are picking up on different aspects there. for example, banning, laughing, gassing in support of that, moving on. beggars making that easier. and if you do indeed indulge in a side habit of graffiti or anything like that, you're going to be made to clean off fact yourselves. might be yourselves. you might even be fined a few quid as well, won't you make to it all, do you think will clamp out.7 out

will ever clamp out.7 stamp out antisocial or is the antisocial behaviour or is the idea for the beds and over in scotland we have ourselves a new snp leader . scotland we have ourselves a new snp leader. humza yousaf is now the leader. what do you think to this? what will be the future of scotland under his leadership ? scotland under his leadership? many are calling this basically a win for labour today. do you agree with that? and second jobs, that conversation about whether or not mp should be allowed to have them as come round again because did you see the goings on over the weekend of i have to say it was largely tory mp is asking for i watering sums of . money £10,000 a day you sums of. money £10,000 a day you walk out of business i think i'm in the wrong job but do you think they should be able to earn that kind of money or at least aspire to outside of the day job of politics? and i will also talk about strip searches tonight. what earth is going tonight. what on earth is going on? is the cry is it is on? racist is the cry is it is that what the policy is? your thoughts on all of the above. but first, let's bring ourselves up what's nice

up to speed. what's a nice latest headlines polly latest headlines with polly middlehurst . michel, thank you middlehurst. michel, thank you and good evening to you. our top story on gb news tonight, homes , are you safe? has been elected as the new leader of the scottish national party, taking over from nicola sturgeon . over from nicola sturgeon. scotland's health secretary claims victory over finance secretary kate forbes and former community safety minister ash regan. community safety minister ash regan . with 52% of the vote and regan. with 52% of the vote and at 37 years old, mr. yousaf is set to become scotland's youngest first minister and he's the first holder of the position to come from an ethnic minority background . speaking at background. speaking at murrayfield today , he said he murrayfield today, he said he was honoured to be in trust with the party leadership speech and not just humble of that. i will definitely . i not just humble of that. i will definitely. i also not just humble of that. i will definitely . i also feel like the definitely. i also feel like the luckiest man in the world. we started here as the leader of the snp party. i joined almost

20 years ago and i loved so dearly . fraser was the leader. dearly. fraser was the leader. john smith , and were absolutely john smith, and were absolutely right when he said the opportunity serve our country is all we ask to serve my country as first minister. i will be the great, establish and honour of my wife. she humza yousaf speaking there . well, the prime speaking there. well, the prime minister today said he's taking a zero tolerance approach to anti—social behaviour during a visit to essex, rishi sunak unveiled a £160 million scheme that's going to include forcing offenders who graffiti or commit vandalism to clean up their communities . the government communities. the government plans to make laughing gas a class c drug with nitrous oxide banned before the end of the year. banned before the end of the year . the banned before the end of the year. the prime minister said the current restriction on the gas weren't working . we're going gas weren't working. we're going to do over the course of the

spring. in the summer it's consult on the best way to do this to make sure that it is effective. tackling suppliers important what we've important that's what we've while gone of while we've gone out of the county line gangs and disrupted three and a half thousand of them. so we've toughened up sentencing supply . and sentencing for drug supply. and that's the police have that's why the police have got these things called project adden these things called project adder, for example, which is a national target national programme to target drug particular. so all drug gangs in particular. so all of things help deal with of those things help deal with supply. we need to get the concentrate right . well, deputy concentrate right. well, deputy speaker of the house of lords, baroness helena love, says the crackdown should really start within education. in her visit just before and actually i welcome any measure that would stop antisocial behaviour. but there's nothing new in this that's already out there and we've got to have the resources and people know terrible policing and you mentioned probation officers . well that's probation officers. well that's on its knees as well. so no, i don't think anybody policies are new and we're still going to struggle to tackle antisocial

behaviour , most importantly with behaviour, most importantly with police who classed as low level . now, jeremy corbyn says sir keir starmer has denigrated the democratic foundations of the labour party by taking forward plans to block him from standing for the party at the next general election tomorrow. sir keir starmer will propose a motion at a meeting of the party's ruling body to prevent the former labour leader from being endorsed as a candidate . being endorsed as a candidate. mr. corbyn has been a labour mp for islington north in london since 1983. he says he's been proud to represent his community and says he's not going anywhere . the duke of sussex and other celebrities, including sir elton john and elizabeth hurley , have john and elizabeth hurley, have finished their first day of preliminary hearings at the high court in london . prince harry court in london. prince harry and the other claimants launched legal action against associate newspapers for unlawfully information gathering. the newspaper group denies the

allegations which include hiring private investigators to place listening devices in cars and homes and record phone calls. lawyers for the publishers of the daily mail say the privacy claims are stale and should be dismissed without a trial . and dismissed without a trial. and news coming to us within the last hour or so. five people, including three children, have been killed after a shooting at a school in tennessee in the states. that's according to a hospital spokesperson . nashville hospital spokesperson. nashville police say the gunman at the covenant school in nashville has been shot dead . the private been shot dead. the private christian second school has around 200 students. and staying with international news in israel, the prime minister benjamin netanyahu, will delay his controversial judicial overhaul after widespread rallies in the country. hundreds of thousands of people have been taking to the streets in protest at his proposals, which they say would weaken the courts and the prime minister's hard right

coalition partners, security minister. it's a wrong and clear. says the plans will be now looked at after the passover parliamentary recess. apologies for the sound levels on that last piece. now environmental charities and experts say an oil spill in poole harbour could have a devil stating impact on a sensitive nature . reserves in sensitive nature. reserves in the area around 200 barrels. we understand a fluid which includes crude oil leaked from a pipeline feeding the which farm onshore processing facility leading onto a major incident being declared pearl harbour commission is now saying the pipeline operated by the gas company for rent has been shut down. specialist oil spill teams have moved in using drones. boats and helicopters. they're working now to identify further spills and assess the risk to the environment. we'll have the latest on that for you when we come back at 7:00 with more news. but now let's get back to

michelle and dewbs& co . michelle and dewbs& co. hi there . thanks for that, polly. i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me shallow pickles is the director of the reform think tank and john mcternan is a political strategist and former adviser to tony blair. welcome to both of you this evening . and to both of you this evening. and you know the drill at home, don't you? it's not just about those three. it's very much about you at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? get in touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.uk email or vaiews@gbnews.uk is my email or you at gb you can tweet me as usual at gb news or ask michelle jus. we've just been talking about the upcoming topics. lots of you already talking particularly about the snp issue tonight . about the snp issue tonight. what do you think to the new leader ? maureen's not her words. leader? maureen's not her words. she says this is better known as

humza useless here in scotland. she says his track record is appalling . and you reckon he's appalling. and you reckon he's going to make the position of first minister? a laughing stock? cool. blimey. strong words there. maureen, does anyone disagree with that sentiment? are you in scotland tonight ? i'm sentiment? are you in scotland tonight? i'm particularly interested in hearing you. interested in hearing from you. if are. are you feeling if you are. are you feeling happy did right guy happy tonight? did the right guy win not? let's move on to our win or not? let's move on to our top story that rishi has top story that rishi sunak has unveiled his action plan to tackle anti—social behaviour. tackle anti —social behaviour. it's tackle anti—social behaviour. it's basically got a few different buckets going on. there's going to be a focus on urgency. we are going to be looking at offenders being required repair the damage required to repair the damage that they have caused quickly. secondly, to be secondly, that's going to be apparently zero tolerance apparently a zero tolerance approach , especially towards approach, especially towards drugs and that is going to give the police more powers to, say, the police more powers to, say, the labour have basically accused the prime minister of nicking his ideas or labour's ideas of a job is back to blairism, isn't it? i mean, i was on the show last week talking about blair and we seem

to be coming back to tony blair. tony's ideas tough on crime , tony's ideas tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime . tough on the causes of crime. but this is a bad reheating is stealing some ideas that keir starmer has been promoting stealing some ideas from the blair era. but there's nothing in for prevention. you youth services have had £1,000,000,000 cut from them, so there's 160 million that rishi sunak is throwing into the pot. it's just a tiny, tiny piece of money compared to the cuts to youth services that are really good for keeping kids out of trouble. shallow i think , is absolutely shallow i think, is absolutely right to say that we need a focus on prevention and the causes of crime . as you say that causes of crime. as you say that tony blair infamously talked about , as tony blair infamously talked about, as well as tough enforcement, which people want and is right that we should see. but i wouldn't be quite so dismissive. i mean, clearly in any of these sorts of government strategies, you can always go much further. but there are a million extra hours for youth

services that this is going to invest in, which should make a difference. clearly we do need to be you know, we heard the clip earlier. we do need more on the education side. actually parents have a responsibility, have broader communities, have a responsibility here. but ultimately we know that anti—social behaviour is one of the top issues that people talk about. the top issues that people talk about . we know it has about. we know it has a tremendous psychological and wellbeing impact on people who are afraid to go to the local park or , you know, have park or, you know, have a neighbour that that they're scared of. you know , these are scared of. you know, these are really it's really detrimental to people's lives. and i think it's right that the government is trying to do something about it. what this work is a separate question. and i find it interesting that you you've almost come out and say to me, almost come out and say to me, almost excuse using the behaviour of young people's lives. someone goes off, i don't know, smashing stuff or robbing people, whatever . it's a turn people, whatever. it's a turn around to go, well, it's not my fault. i just couldn't go to a

youth i always find that a youth club. i always find that a lame excuse. and in 1997, the labour party published a white paper which i found very interesting. exact was interesting. its exact title was no excuses , and they seemed no more excuses, and they seemed to respond effectively to youth crime. we have to stop making excuses for the children that offend. when i hear people offend. and when i hear people because i hear this argument all the because the time, oh, it's because the tories of youth clubs, i think, are shut out because it's no excuse not to be able to go and place new cars on a friday night that therefore means that therefore all that means you rob grannies instead. you can go rob grannies instead. don't me. but this is don't wash with me. but this is this a really strange bag of this is a really strange bag of ideasis this is a really strange bag of ideas is the crazy nanny statism of making it a criminal offence to possess nitrous oxide. i mean, what kind of it's illegal already to sell it? it's not a criminal offence . what criminal offence. what a compliment to do, of course. meant to stop and search kids to get this off them. this is a very there's a very odd idea in here. we should be decriminalising drugs, not criminalising more drugs. we should completely should have a completely different of

different approach to all of this. and i, i think it will not be possible for the cops to do this. we're going to make people repair damage in 48 and 48 hours. that is just headline grabbing, but not practical at all is going to take a long time to process people through the courts because the cuts to magistrates to all magistrates courts to all the courts, police community courts, cuts to police community support , you need to support officers, you need to actually be able to crack down on crime. and i think really said like got it myself this morning, you ask the public and they oh, get from the they go, oh, you get from the cops a crime number so you cops is a crime number so you can claim on your insurance there's something lacking in people's faith in the entirety of the system. fix the criminal justice system, fix the cops and then round to this, this, then come round to this, this, this, this the top this, this isn't the top priority of most local communities. you saying communities. what do you saying to visible to this whole kind of visible justice notion? so getting your people out there in your hive as jackets or jumpsuits or whatever , making them squabble, i mean, banksy every day for a long time second. but anyway, aside from

him , what do you think to a i'm him, what do you think to a i'm always really torn on on this. so if you look at what the evidence is of deterring people from committing crime , swift from committing crime, swift action is really important. so one of the elements of the plan today is this idea that people would be forced to clean up or do some type of community service within 48 hours of having been caught for perpetrating anti—social behaviour. now i'm afraid i'm with john. i don't see how we're going to possibly manage to do that. but actually the visible punishment aspect of it, i think probably does more for the victim , which i think is no victim, which i think is no little thing because again, as i said at the start, you know, this can have a tremendous impact on people's lives if you're living with daily anti—social behaviour. this isn't walking past a group isn't just walking past a group of who messing around. of kids who are messing around. this people's, you know, this is people's, you know, literally lives being literally daily lives being disrupted. whether the kind of high, jacket model will

high, viz jacket model will actually stop the young people from behaving this way, i don't know . i think if you could know. i think if you could connect you, you know, you go and break a window, you go and do graffiti , you go and whatever do graffiti, you go and whatever her likes it, some grannies, homes and literally . to glaze homes and literally. to glaze the window to be absolutely honest . but the the window to be absolutely honest. but the thing is well washing police cars and i just sort of i didn't i didn't i didn't hear any and the apology from rishi sunak for abolishing asbos in the first place, i suppose it being, you know, we're returning to and such behaviour and such behaviour was because this government, this tory government abolished it, maybe they were listening too much the liberal democrats when they got into office, but david cameron had this whole hugger hoodie thing and now we've got what we we now got to what we got. we now got to harass homeless. do you harass the homeless. do you think asbos was a good thing ? think asbos was a good thing? yeah. this word. do you? yeah and you not think that and do you not think that actually look what actually when you look at what happened so you ended up with so many people breaching their asbos. i high percentage

asbos. anyway, i high percentage people used to breach their asbos. so then you used to go to prison for breaching their asbos and that prison sentence was worse the crime in the worse than the crime in the first place. it wasn't very good. so this is you're not being the bleeding heart liberal things that people shouldn't go to prison made people people just people just needed to stick to their asbo . just people just needed to stick to their asbo. i mean you get you got this well the i bet they care about going to prison do you. i bet half of them didn't actually. and in terms of like the whole concept of almost kind of shaming people out of doing crime , do you think that would crime, do you think that would work ? no, i don't think so , work? no, i don't think so, because i don't i don't know where this is going to have. it's like having a chain gang from the deep south. this idea of people in chains, people in uniforms, people stripy suits to show that they're they're doing something those those old high , something those those old high, viz community payback jackets . viz community payback jackets. i'm i mean, i don't i never saw

single one and i don't think anywhere in peckham i saw a single one. i mean , i, i don't single one. i mean, i, i don't think that is, i think rapid justice is justice. so catching people and, and tenants through the court system . but it takes the court system. but it takes so long, though, for any offence to get people through the court system and so many criminals game the system, they play the system , they don't turn up for system, they don't turn up for a they get they get the case getting knocked on and knocked or not done. finally, some or not done. and finally, some victims up. but i think victims give up. but i think you've really good point you've got a really good point that actually this can't just all state's response all be the state's response ability. so the idea that it's suddenly the states responsibility whether that's, you know , local authority, you know, local authority, anti—social behaviour wardens that they're going to put out , that they're going to put out, whether it's the police that quite frankly should be focusing on crime . i think we do need to on crime. i think we do need to have a conversation about the responsibility of individuals. as you said , of families and as you said, of families and what they're doing, you know, and how these kids are being brought up. we need to have a

conversation about broader community action here, because if we just default constantly to someone else solving our problems, then costs do spiral. it tends to be less effective, actually, than having someone close you, you know, having close to you, you know, having that conversation do kind of thing. we pay the cops quite a lot. the police forces quite a lot. the police forces quite a lot to actually tackle crime and to pretend that's not their job. we're not we're not pretending the policing crime the the policing crime isn't the police's job. what we're saying is that actually a lot of these people to look inward. and people need to look inward. and you about shame going, it you say about shame going, it won't me just bring won't work. let me just bring this because i saw this this image up because i saw this image was looking at image while i was looking at this today. at this. this topic today. look at this. if you're listening, not watching our describe what watching our show, describe what you're watching our show, describe what you'young lad dressed in his this young lad dressed in his tracksuit and his baseball cap and he's leaning casually onto the back of a bus and on the back of said boss is a poster andifs back of said boss is a poster and it's him. it's the kid the kid's called adam rooney . and kid's called adam rooney. and this is in cleveland. it's in 2006. there's a picture of this lad on the back of the bus

saying, let's refuse to accept crime. and anti—social behaviour and middlesborough as per this is adam james rooney . he and middlesborough as per this is adam james rooney. he is prohibited from any form of anti—social behaviour and from entering the palace that park area . i can safely say if you area. i can safely say if you can't see this, this kid, adam rooney, it don't look like he gives a monkey about, said asbo or his picture been on the back of the bus. so always kind of shaming and all the rest of it. you might not see anyone in a hive. hisjacket, you might not see anyone in a hive. his jacket, but this was certainly going on. and one of the things they're not the things that they're not ashamed but this is what i'm saying, problems are saying, one of the problems are agreeing each other. know agreeing with each other. know what i'm saying? i would have more this. absolute need more of this. i absolute need would people there in would have people out there in their talking their own communities talking after themselves. because one of the is have the challenges is you have a whole of society that do whole pocket of society that do not want to function within normal society. they couldn't give a about things like asbos , give a about things like asbos, about things like high visibility and all the rest of it. so you have to somehow make

them . you have to i won't have them. you have to i won't have you in your hive, not you, but i won't have you in your highways and what have you. but we had an old community payback time for us, jack. a cycle in it. but i want all of you that we all to push a school within the walls. i absolutely but the key i absolutely would. but the key thing i think the point thing and i think it's the point that raise the that charlotte raise the families what have families because what you have is of these people that is a lot of these people that are creating this antisocial behaviour when actually behaviour, when you actually look their parents and look at their parents and perhaps that goes past and their grandparents they don't grandparents as well, they don't care they're brought up in care. they're just brought up in these and when i showed these cycles and when i showed this picture of adam to someone, someone said, well, i said he don't look like he's bothered. and the response i got was, what if you ever tried a job? if you ever tried to get a job? i think you might be bothered if he's criminal record and he's got a criminal record and it me laugh i it made me laugh because i thought a lot of people kind of perform this behaviour. they don't they're not don't want a job, they're not going to sit there and write a cv and go into the world of work tomorrow. ask you, how tomorrow. so i'll ask you, how do reach people that do you reach those people that perhaps have the same

perhaps don't have the same standards, value as the standards, the same value as the rest of this answer the rest of us? is this answer the right 160 million quid. you look at that go, yeah, that's a at that and go, yeah, that's a good use of my money. your thoughts in thoughts on that? get in touch with me the break and i'll with me over the break and i'll be reading some of your responses out in a second. and i'll also be talking the i'll also be talking about the goings in scotland, goings on in scotland, the luckiest world, luckiest man in the world, apparently. co blimey , they apparently. co blimey, they usually place in eight homes so use i'm talking about he is the new snp leader what's he going to do to fix scotland ? does it to do to fix scotland? does it need fixing your thoughts and i'll see you .

there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments. in two. hi there michelle dewberry . keep hi there michelle dewberry. keep me company till 7:00 tonight along side me. charlotte pickles, the director of the reform think tank, and john mctell vernon, a political strategist , keeps mctell vernon, a political strategist, keeps me company. lots of you guys getting in touch about the policy , social

touch about the policy, social behaviour and what we're going to do with it. there's a very common coming from from to do with it. there's a very comguys coming from from to do with it. there's a very comguys at coming from from to do with it. there's a very comguys at home,ning from from to do with it. there's a very comguys at home, which �*om from to do with it. there's a very comguys at home, which isn from to do with it. there's a very comguys at home, which is bringi you guys at home, which is bring back national service. michelle many of you because i was asking before break, how do you before the break, how do you re—engage the wrongness in re—engage the wrongness back in the society? i'm just calling that to be blunt, because you all know kind of people i'm all know the kind of people i'm talking don't care. talking about. they don't care. they there and sit they don't sit there and sit there hmm, am i not there and go, hmm, how am i not going damage my future career going to damage my future career prospects, don't care prospects, etc? they don't care about any of that stuff. so how do you re—engage them? that's the been the question i've been pondering. you saying, pondering. some of you saying, well, a lot of you actually well, a lot of you are actually saying national service. perhaps it don't even need to be military, because imagine military, because i can imagine anyone that's the military, anyone that's in the military, obviously their going anyone that's in the military, obvi0|thing their going anyone that's in the military, obvi0|thing we eir going anyone that's in the military, obvi0|thing we don't going anyone that's in the military, obvi0|thing we don't want)ing anyone that's in the military, obvi0|thing we don't want them. know thing we don't want them. so maybe it doesn't even need to be of you saying be military. some of you saying what about what they did in new york under what it was a giuliani i think it was broken windows there were they used to call and that did seem to be quite successful over in new york town on twitter says many

people used asbos basically as a badge of honour and they tried to see how many they could get, essentially . i think that you're essentially. i think that you're absolutely right. some of you saying it's all because of a lack of discipline in society . lack of discipline in society. in many of you think in many of the many of you think that will only get that this problem will only get worse. well, your thoughts anyway, humza yousaf is now the leader of the same people. so this was, of course , announced this was, of course, announced today. he reckons he is the luckiest man in the well and interestingly, by the way, it was him and kate forbes. it was a 5248 response. of course , it a 5248 response. of course, it has been accepted without any querying . always interesting, querying. always interesting, isn't it? anyway, is this the future of scotland ? is it now future of scotland? is it now brits under holmes's leadership , europe by the way, i should make that clear, which is look, it's look is definitely a brighter future for scottish labour because you've got, you had your , your view is that, had your, your view is that, that homes is called homes are useless in scotland he is he was

a terrible transport minister. he spent the scottish government spent over £100 million on two ferries every year. they had an extra ten or 20 million on the cost. the ferry still not been built. there's all kinds of errors. and in his past and he's a very angry man is he is a lose his temper easily saw that in the debate so i think it will be good for the union because there's not a strong leader in scotland and there will be a more even result at the next election. i think there'll be more seats for labour, probably more seats for labour, probably more seats for the tories and the humza yousaf yourself actually should probably call an election for the scottish parliament. he doesn't have a mandate. his party is split. parliament. he doesn't have a mandate. his party is split . we mandate. his party is split. we don't even know what he's going to do about challenging the uk government legally on the agenda. why do you say monday? because he because you saw the split in the complete disagreement. kate forbes who almost one said he was a terrible health minister. i said that sturgeon government's

record is terrible and that taxpayer too high. there are split party. they actually need to resolve that by taking the manifesto, new manifesto back to the country. mm. your thoughts on that? are you in scotland or scottish, by the way? i'm particularly interested in heanng you. particularly interested in hearing you . if you support hearing from you. if you support humza because there's lots and lots of you getting in touch in scotland, some of you using words, i can't read out because i suspect there might be some kids listening or watching, but the general theme that i'm getting is not necessarily positive ones. are there any scots out there that are happy tonight and celebrating the victory? i want to hear from you , charlotte, your thoughts . the , charlotte, your thoughts. the snp has been a disaster for scotland and absolute disaster and they've been so obsessed about pushing independence it's that they have almost entirely ignored the horrendous outcome . ignored the horrendous outcome. james that much of the population in scotland is experienced and humza has been

part of that over the last decade or so in, as we've heard, ministerial positions where he could of made a difference. so let's just take a couple of areas. let's take health where he was until being picked as leader health minister. he was until being picked as leader health minister . well leader health minister. well scotland has the worst life expectancy of any nation in the uk . it has the worst rates of uk. it has the worst rates of what's called a avoidable mortality , which is essentially, mortality, which is essentially, if you get ill, will your health care system prevent you from dying? scotland has the worse outcomes. it has the highest obesity rates , it has horrendous obesity rates, it has horrendous child poverty rates which are no better than when the snp took oven better than when the snp took over. and it's been the most on health. it has the most doctors and nurses and beds in hospitals of any devolved nation. it spends the most, i guess, the worst outcomes for people in scotland . and education is the scotland. and education is the same. the worst outcomes of any of the uk nations in reading

maths , science, and they spend maths, science, and they spend more per kid than we do in england for worse results. so yes . think all the international yes. think all the international tests. absolutely make a loud comparison and scrap the annual survey within scotland because the education results were going down. so they just decided we just won't tell anyone that they're so bad. so the snp is bankrupt as a party and do i think this is going to make a difference? no. the only thing that will make a difference is exactly what john said is them losing seats at the next election, say, staves and scotland. says, i think it's scotland. he says, i think it's a disaster. but spend an illusion. they will still get elected in this country if it's as bad as charlotte makes out, what then? why would so many people turn out and vote for the snp? is it purely just on one issue? this is all it is. it is on one issue and they this election the resignation of nicola sturgeon under some leadership cost leadership election has cost them support. for them support. support for independence has gone down to 40, but if 40% of the voters

want independence and they vote for the party that offers it to them, party will win . and them, that party will win. and first past the post, that party will largest party will win. be the largest party in the scottish parliament and the truth is to turf them out. it's going to require the conservative party supporting a minority scottish labour government in scotland to clean up the scottish government . and up the scottish government. and that will be difficult for scottish conservatives. the scottish conservatives. the scottish labour . but people have scottish labour. but people have to come together to push the nationalist so they may canvassing about one issue and so far that has not that that's allowed them to get away with the poor delivery on health, the poor delivery on the poor poor delivery on crime, the poor delivery transport, the poor delivery on transport, the poor delivery on transport, the poor delivery area which delivery in every area which would normally drag down the government. is so government. independence is so important for the 40% who want it. they ignore everything, any cost . are you saying at home are cost. are you saying at home are you shouting at the screen that you shouting at the screen that you want an independent scotland? because that's what i'm interested in. independent what cost? because if scotland isindeed what cost? because if scotland is indeed getting thrown into the ground. but then i can hear

you almost if you're in you almost erm if you're in favour be shouting favour what you'll be shouting is us that's running it is it's not us that's running it into the ground that you blame. i suspect on central uk government say it's government you'll say it's westminster is false. let's be clear . all of those westminster is false. let's be clear. all of those things i talked about health, education, crime . it's the drugs, death, crime. it's the drugs, death, capital of europe, all of those things are devolved. absolutely. they are all within the power of the scottish government to be able to improve them and they're not doing okay. yes, but that's because we don't get enough money. because they get more money, that money than any other and more than liverpool and more money than liverpool does. far lower does. liverpool has far lower drugs, , same drugs, death rate, same deprivation as it is . it is the deprivation as it is. it is the perfect example of repeated policy failure. yeah complete failure for the scottish people . are you out there? is there anyone that thinks gb news independence supporter yeah. they're trying to find somebody. i'm trying to find them. i'm sure that they exist somewhere. if in, then think if you stick in, then you think that this positive progress that this is positive progress for you get in? for scotland. can you get in? touch me please? because at the moment everyone thinks it's an

absolute i am absolute disaster. so i am interested in the opposite side if indeed it exists. yeah this really, really, really art is the result today. i'm sure we will not see independence in my lifetime . i'm going to be 67 lifetime. i'm going to be 67 this year and i hope to reach 100, he reckons. love at least another 30 is in the union. yeah, there's not a lot of love coming through. i have to say. if you do exist and you love the guy and you think you celebrate and i get in touch, i'm fascinated from you as well. i'm going to a quick break when going to take a quick break when i come back, want some more i come back, i want some more responses your anti—social responses to your anti—social crime lots and crime story, because lots and lots still messaging lots of you are still messaging me that. you think you me about that. you think you know who is to blame for some of that. so i'm reading out some of your on that. but i your thoughts on that. but i also ask you about mp is also want to ask you about mp is get this, £10,000 a day. i use the word pounds loosely, by the way, because some of them condescended about condescended to talk about pounds that. pounds or dollars for that. do you think an mp is worth £10,000 a day? and if so, for doing what? second jobs? should they

be banned ? i'll see you into .

hello there . this is dewbs& co hello there. this is dewbs& co michelle dewberry, keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, sholto pickles is the director of the reform think tank in germany. it turns out, a political turns out, is a political strategist. and strategist. good evening and welcome . everybody pays . do welcome back. everybody pays. do you think they get paid enough? what is it now? about 85 grand. they're they're about plus they're all they're about plus expenses. that's quite nice expenses. that's quite a nice salary, it? apparently salary, isn't it? but apparently it's not enough. there's been a lot of debate and lot of a lot of debate and discussion this weekend because if you didn't if you didn't see it, i'm going to play a clip for you in a second. but the former chancellor, kwasi kwarteng, the former health secretary, matt hancock, been talking to an hancock, i've been talking to an apparent south korean about anotherjob apparent south korean about another job for them. apparent south korean about anotherjob for them. it apparent south korean about another job for them. it turns out the whole thing was a scam

led by the campaign group, led by led by the campaign group, led by donkeys before get into the debate, let's just remind ourselves of the goings on, shall we? i would i would say as an mp overshadowed in egypt , an mp overshadowed in egypt, kristie, that it had a king's ransom. but i'm looking i won't do anything less than for about $10,000 among i mean, do you have any number in mind that were you were thinking , well, were you were thinking, well, around 1515,. 1500, yeah . okay. around 1515,. 1500, yeah. okay. i was something like £60,000. 60 080. i don't even think i'd get out of bed for any of that quite frankly, but each to their own anyway, i all got very confusing , right? because you aren't kwasi kwarteng. it's all online if watch the whole if you want to watch the whole thing. is talking about thing. woman is talking about $10,000 all about pounds $10,000 but is all about pounds and said was a month then and he said it was a month then he said a days. i mean, he said it was a days. i mean, heaven help us. i think we

dodged a bullet that with him is understanding of was a bit understanding of cash was a bit weird, you ask me. weird, if you ask me. but anyway, it's created whole anyway, it's created this whole argument. are argument. charlotte, people are saying mp shouldn't be allowed these second jobs. of course labour over it today. labour jumped all over it today. where you stand on it? this where do you stand on it? this is a topic that we keep coming back to, it? i don't think back to, isn't it? i don't think a straight ban of second jobs is a straight ban of second jobs is a good idea and you wouldn't do that in other walk of life . so that in other walk of life. so we wouldn't say to you, michel, you can't take a second job. you know wouldn't to know, you wouldn't say to someone who's , i don't know, someone who's, i don't know, working in a business or who works in the public sector. you can't take a second job. so i don't think that is a reasonable position to take. not position to take. that's not like i'm employed the like me. i'm employed by the tax payer not going to be payer and i'm not going to be able influence the prime able to influence the prime minister. so these are very different things, aren't they? so of a business so your comparison of a business work of work and whatever other kind of irrelevant is a member of irrelevant this is a member of parliament. i think i parliament. so i think this i think on something very think you hit on something very important which is the important though, which is the influencing the prime minister. important though, which is the inf whating the prime minister. important though, which is the inf whating the pihave minister. important though, which is the inf whating the pihave nmpser. important though, which is the inf whating the pihave nmps doing so what we can't have nmps doing is abusing the system and there

are rules in place for that. and so someone and we've got, so if someone and we've got, we've being we've various things being investigated, current chair investigated, the current chair of the health select committee is at the is being investigated at the moment for seeming to break those rules by lobbying on behalf of a firm , obviously for behalf of a firm, obviously for essentially abusing that that allegedly abusing the position he's got . but, you know, there he's got. but, you know, there are employees who do lots of different jobs. so what about an mp who writes a newspaper column or mp who goes out and is a or an mp who goes out and is a nurse in some of their time? what about an mp who does have their own business, has nothing related to their role in in in parliament? i don't think it is right to say that they absolutely can't do a second job now , what i think we have to be now, what i think we have to be clear about is that being an mp is a full time job and that the absolute priority for any mp must be representing their constituents and doing their legislative performing their legislative performing their legislative duties within parliament. but look , you know, parliament. but look, you know, m.p.s get holidays. mp get some weekends. actually, mp is working long hours the whole

working long hours on the whole . they get some weekend, they get evenings . why shouldn't get some evenings. why shouldn't they that time to they be able to use that time to do something? and actually, you know, one the things we hear know, one of the things we hear all time is criticism all the time is the criticism the understand all the the mp don't understand all the sectors. in some ways doing sectors. so in some ways doing something even something different could even be beneficial. but i think it has to be minimum. and look, has to be a minimum. and look, do think matt hancock or kwasi do i think matt hancock or kwasi kwarteng grand kwarteng is worth ten grand today? decide on today? i'll view as decide on that. today? i'll view as decide on that . people aware of whatever that. people aware of whatever other people who pay them. yeah the market need some view is let's pay mps a decent salary pay let's pay mps a decent salary pay them a quarter million pounds a ban them from outside jobs and pay ministers, cabinet ministers , half million a year. ministers, half million a year. let's just sort it out. take the money issue off the table and say you've got a job, your jobs working for the public, and if you have spare time, work harder for your constituency or work harder for the government or work for the opposition. work harder for the opposition. a of £1,000,000 instead a quarter of £1,000,000 instead of 8 to 5 care that at currently get well it used to be used to be the mps and you know easily

the prime minister was paid far more than the rest of the times or newspapers and now editors of all of our newspapers are paid far more the prime far more than the prime minister. readjust minister. we need to readjust the salaries let's actually the salaries and let's actually just buy out jobs. just like buy out second jobs. so reckon if some of these so you reckon if some of these people and by the way, when you think about paying some of these people a quarter of £1,000,000 and i do think some of the people that you've got in parliament right now aware of a fraction of that. so maybe you might change the people. they may increased calibre may be at increased calibre people. the salary increase , but people. the salary increase, but what about that? and so your timeliness, monkeys. timeliness, so you get monkeys. well you can give me your thoughts on that. erm so you're telling you reckon then telling me you reckon then if these get caught a these guys get caught for a million quid using the sit there and that's money. now and go that's enough money. now would you that ban. just ban would you ban that ban. just ban the outside jobs there's no the outside jobs so there's no conflict interest . there's no conflict of interest. there's no you you you stop you know once you once you stop being regular practise as being in regular practise as a consultant or a gp or a nurse , consultant or a gp or a nurse, you you probably shouldn't be going on your odd days off back into hospital. i think you

should be an mp and if you've got any spare time, work harder for your constituency, a quarter of £1,000,000. what do you think of £1,000,000. what do you think of that at home as some you, of that at home as some of you, some by the way, home some of you, by the way, at home are sitting there oh, are be sitting there going, oh, my that like an my god, that was like an eye—watering sum money. it is eye—watering sum of money. it is absolutely , course, massively absolutely, of course, massively over and above the average wage in this country. but shouldn't we want people that are way over and above your average person , and above your average person, this country running the country, do you reckon quarter of £1,000,000 would attract a different of person? do you reckon if they had that quarter million pounds, that would be enough for them? do you reckon to sit there? i'm thinking about one, mp said. by the way, if you need to add an extra hundred grand you should probably grand year, you should probably go and get different job. but go and get a different job. but it's come now he's got it's come out now that he's got a job paying on ground, a year sitting on this channel. so, i mean , what you will but i'm mean, what you will but i'm yeah, i'm fascinated a quarter million pounds. i want your thoughts on that. i'm going to take a quick break. back i'm going to give you some of your

thoughts that my thoughts that that is my question. quarter of a million point. you think that's what point. do you think that's what mp should get, to .

stephen, hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. it's alongside me . sholto it's alongside me. sholto pickles director of pickles is the director of reform john reform think tank and john mcternan is the political strategist, also the chap strategist, is also the chap that came up with the idea a second ago when debating whether or give mp or not. should we give mp a second jobs? what john was saying wider wage is saying is look, wider wage is increase the salary of mp is and then we perhaps will do away for then we perhaps will do away for the need for them to go and increase their earnings. the figure suggested by you was quarter of £1,000,000 or £250,000. bob says , please, can £250,000. bob says, please, can you ask him, does that include expenses or not? and the expense would be on top here you expenses on top. i'll tell you

something that annoys me and i think it's very wrong is why so many mp is get properties in london that essentially are their own. so for example, if you buy a property with the diamonds , the taxpayer and then diamonds, the taxpayer and then you increase the value of that as your asset, they can't do that anymore. i was that rude down the road. the rules were changed and so good. if you have your own property, you have to. you have to. can't occupy it you have to. you can't occupy it and charged taxpayer. and charged the taxpayer. you have you've bought a property have if you've bought a property in past , you have if you've bought a property in past, you have to rent in the past, you have to rent out somebody and rent some other property but seriously, property now. but seriously, like in hull, like if i'm an mp in hull, i need a property in london . tax need a property in london. tax purposes, they'll pay. they'll pay purposes, they'll pay. they'll pay rent so you can rent and rent and the taxpayer commonwealth government won't help you right? commonwealth government won't help you right ? well, could help you right? well, could someone listen to my commonsense at some point. got that one step ahead of right. so we've ahead of me. right. so we've clarified that john reckons that you would get expenses as well. some saying this is some people are saying this is way too much money. mps are not worth vince says some of the

people are not qualified to be the streets, let alone qualify of a quarter of £1,000,000 in has got a novel idea . quote £1 has got a novel idea. quote £1 million salary means that they can sit back and do the minimum work possible instead. why don't you make it performance based? have a basic salary, and then you increase their earnings based on what they what do you think to that ? how would you think to that? how would you measure them ? i don't i measure them? i don't i genuinely i don't i don't understand how you would do that . are are . there are they are performance. they performance. yes. can get funded in four yes. they can get funded in four or five years. they have to they have for pre—selection. have to go for pre—selection. yeah. 75,000 people to yeah. and 75,000 people get to vote yeah jason says well vote on it. yeah jason says well i'll give them a quarter million pounds for breaking a country. £2,000 is a fair salary plus their expenses. and by the way, he would cap the expenses as well. can i can i just say only expense? because i think this is quite an important point for people to understand. so people think get these huge , think that mps get these huge, vast expenses actually , most of vast expenses actually, most of that expense is spent on the

staff. right. the caseworker that's helping the constituents of problems that constituency office spent on the fact office it's spent on the fact that mps have to travel and down the country because they have to be westminster for of be in westminster for part of the they need to be the week and they need to be that part that constituency for part of the week. these expenses aren't perks. they they are cause perks. they are. they are cause to doing the job. and i don't think viewers out think any of the viewers out there would expect to funding there would expect to be funding their staff out of their own their own staff out of their own pocket or their own offices or office costs out of their own pocket. so i think needs to be a bit careful about the myth that mp are getting a huge amount extra via expenses extra on top via expenses because just not the because that's just not the case. does that reassure at case. does that reassure you at home? that and home? do you hear that and think, right, okay, fair think, oh, right, okay, fair enough. you compare it sort of you're comparing salaries of you're comparing the salaries of employees of employees to the salaries of footballers . but the difference footballers. but the difference there is that you're not the taxpayers are not paying the salaries of a footballer. yeah the prime minister's salary. what would you make that then if your employees are at a half a million or just double. yeah, just half a million. yeah,

that's reasonable for prime minister to actually do. so if you think about what we're charging the prime minister with , keeping our country , which is keeping our country safe, representing it on the world stage, which is huge implications for trade, for soft power. you know, he's running the country. that would be me. right. and we can argue about whether that's currently happening . but the person in happening. but the person in question is. exactly. is huge. is huge . so half a million. is huge. so half a million. compare it to what someone running a medium sized business might get. yeah, but then the prime minister is going to make his or her money a post office . his or her money a post office. hence you look in a situation now where you've got your boris johnson making an absolute for bofis johnson making an absolute for boris johnson's of boris johnson's a bit of an exception though, because boris johnson was making a johnson was already making a fortune before theresa may. she's is making but she's now she is making but nothing again compared to what she done if she'd she would have done if she'd gone run a country for for gone and run a country for for her some she was running her some company she was running the country again dubious as to how we the performance was but if she had gone into another walk of life and gone into the private sector and had run a big

multinational, she would have made mean, i waterlily more made i mean, i waterlily more than she did going into public service and whatever people think about mps and prime ministers and government ministers and what have you, they service and they are in public service and i think just because that's the case, we should say we don't pay them then says them appropriately, then says this be a joke. they are this has to be a joke. they are already out of touch with working class people and this will worse. do you think will make it worse. do you think that's they're that's fair? i think they're they're not out of touch because they're not out of touch because they go and see their constituents every every weekend. they go to down constituencies. they get casework coming in, they get letters, they get people coming to talk to that mp is to talk to them. that most mp is no every level of what no more of every level of what goes on in the country than most other professionals, because they see the worst housing, they see the with the worst see the people with the worst poverty, they see people poverty, they see the people with difficulties , with with the most difficulties, with the services they see the health services they see people desperate part people are very desperate part of they get they of their lives. they get they get very, you a very get a very, you know, a very clear of some of worst clear view of some of the worst things are happening. so i think there is definitely not going to say we need a diverse

say we might need a more diverse group of mps. so we certainly do have a disproportionate number group of mps. so we certainly do haemployeesportionate number group of mps. so we certainly do ha employeesportionate ifrom er group of mps. so we certainly do haemployeesportionate ifrom very of employees who come from very privileged backgrounds themselves incidentally, themselves and incidentally, potentially of potentially having this sort of higher level might higher salary level might actually people actually attract more people from backgrounds from working class backgrounds or backgrounds into or diverse backgrounds into becoming an mp and representing those groups that perhaps some people might think are under—served . someone on twitter under—served. someone on twitter says this whole issue with second jobs, it's all about jealousy michel. people can't handle fact that these guys handle the fact that these guys can make all of this money. so no. are you jealous when you hear matt hancock asking for £10,000 a day? do you sit there and think god, i'm really jealous of matt hancock. i love that, by the way. and i just think i'll give you a wobble. matt hancock, who will pay matt hancock ten grand and for hancock ten grand there. and for what, way, lots of you what, by the way, lots of you still talked the still getting talked about the whole anti—social behaviour whole aspa anti—social behaviour . there's a real strong theme that's coming through today, which is a lack of discipline . which is a lack of discipline. and you say that's at home. so you're blaming the parents a lot and saying it starts with the

parents. but the problem is respectfully, i think missing the point now, because some of these parents, they're wrong on this as well . so then what do this as well. so then what do you do if your parent sitting there, they don't install discipline and you don't make you go school. they don't you go to school. they don't really if the police really care if the police are knocking door. what then knocking on your door. what then ? you saying it's ? some of you saying it's a responsibility, perhaps, of schools . you're saying maybe schools. you're saying maybe schools. you're saying maybe schools need to kind of get a little bit more discipline into them . but the problem when you them. but the problem when you got with that is if the school started trying to discipline people within about 10 seconds, you'd have parents running into the headmaster's crying because kids these days are brought up with safe spaces and triggered words and all the rest of it. so heaven help any headmaster that who's tried to install any discipline. so i don't know . who's tried to install any discipline. so i don't know. i don't think we fix the issue. and how are we going to stop antisocial behaviour? but i'm sure pondering sure you'll be pondering it overnight. up at 3:00 overnight. i'll wake up at 3:00 in morning with no work in the morning with no work anyway. john, that's all i've got for charlotte. thank

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