you light, not just heat. did you okay? apparently do you have a pair of jeans or. i did. what would i do with them ? my would i do with them? my friend's wife. oh, my god. what's she doing now? join me every sunday at six for gloria meets only on gb news. the people's channel. britain's news . channel .channel today . channel today rishi sunak launches his war on antisocial behaviour. they got a ban hippy crack . will they got a ban hippy crack. will it really work ? in scotland they it really work? in scotland they were elected a new leader of the scottish national party. but can hamza yousef actually turn things around ? the illegal things around? the illegal immigration bill is being debated in parliament as we speak. debated in parliament as we speak . have the rebels backed speak. have the rebels backed down once again ? and joining me down once again? and joining me on talking points , martyn on talking points, martyn townsend, long time editor of the sunday express, probably the

most brexiteer newspaper in the country. but before all of that, let's get more news with polly middlehurst . nigel, thank you middlehurst. nigel, thank you and good evening to. the top story . as nigel was saying, story. as nigel was saying, humza yousaf has been elected as the newly of the scottish national party at 37. he becomes the youngest first minister and first to come from an ethnic minority background. scotland's health secretary claimed victory over the finance secretary, kate forbes, and former community safety minister ash regan . with safety minister ash regan. with 52% of the vote. he says he's honoured to be taking on the role , not just humbled of that. role, not just humbled of that. i will certainly . i also feel i will certainly. i also feel like the luckiest man in the world to be standing here as the leader of the snp party and joining . almost 20 years ago joining. almost 20 years ago that i loved so dearly . humza

that i loved so dearly. humza yousaf well, as you've also been hearing, the prime minister, he's going to be taking a zero tolerance approach to anti—social behaviour . rishi anti—social behaviour. rishi sunak has unveiled a £160 million scheme that includes forcing offenders who graffiti or commit vandalism in their communities to clean it up . the communities to clean it up. the government says, laughing gas will be banned by the end of the yean will be banned by the end of the year, becoming a class c drug . year, becoming a class c drug. the prime minister said current restrictions on nitrous oxide just aren't working. we're going to do the course of the spring, in the summer is consult on the best way to do this, to make sure that it is effective . sure that it is effective. tackling supply is important. that's what we while we've gone out of the county line gangs and disrupted three and half disrupted three and a half thousand we've thousand of them. so we've toughened sentencing for drug toughened up sentencing for drug supply. the police have supply. it's why the police have got this thing called project adden got this thing called project adder, for example, which is a national programme target national programme to target drug in particular. so drug gangs, in particular. so all of those things deal all of those things help deal with supply. rishi sunak now thousands of civil servants and

pubuc thousands of civil servants and public sector workers are staging fresh walkouts next month. the union says more than 130,000 members are striking. on april the 28th, in a long running dispute over pay, pensions and job security . and pensions and job security. and excuse me, just bring you up to date on what's happening in the united states. we understand three children and three members of staff have been killed in a school shooting in tennessee. the gunman at the covenant school in nashville has also been shot dead. police say the gunman was a 28 year old woman from nashville and was armed with at least two semi—automatic rifles and a handgun . the rifles and a handgun. the private christian elementary school has around 200 students and returning to news at home, and returning to news at home, an oil spill in pearl harbour could have a devastating impact on sensitive nature reserves in the area. around 200 barrels of fluid , including crude oil, fluid, including crude oil, leaked from a pipeline at the

witch farm onshore processing plant . and that's led to a major plant. and that's led to a major incident and being declared pearl harbour commission and iran said the pipeline operated by the gas company franco has been shut down. you're up to date on tv , online, plus radio date on tv, online, plus radio and on the tune in app with gb news. the people's channel. time to go back to out . to go back to out. it's a funny thing, you know , it's a funny thing, you know, but the more decades you look at politics here, involved in national debate , the more you national debate, the more you realise actually things stay the same. what a tony blair's big pitch is. back in 1997 was tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. well i have been drawing similarities over the last few weeks between tony blair and rishi sunak . rishi is a great rishi sunak. rishi is a great spinner . he

rishi sunak. rishi is a great spinner. he never rishi sunak. rishi is a great spinner . he never underplays spinner. he never underplays anything the government does. and that includes this press conference that he did this morning. just have a quick listen to this. what we're going to do is ban nitrous oxide, because i think all of us for far too long have that walk through places with canisters and all the rest of it. and that's not acceptable. so we're going to ban nitrous oxide and we're going expel on the we're also going to expel on the power of the police to do drug testing on arrest for far more crimes and far more drugs and tackle the scourge of drugs . so tackle the scourge of drugs. so there we are. the prime minister will take on anti—social behaviour. he will take on the scourge of drugs. michael gove yesterday out on media saying we cannot allow our public areas to be arenas of drug taking well when it comes to that and actually anti—social behaviour at all levels, i would have thought an opinion poll would give you about 99% of the public would agree . but is any of it would agree. but is any of it actually going to make any difference? and let's focus on

one thing now. laughing gas, nitrous oxide or hippy crack as it's known. well, you all know it's known. well, you all know it . you know that it's used in it. you know that it's used in dentistry . it used to be used dentistry. it used to be used before operations in hospitals. i understand industrially it's used to make whipped cream, which i didn't know before today. i have to confess . but today. i have to confess. but there is whether you know it or not, the craze out there amongst young people, they buy these little silver canisters, they fill up a balloon and they inhale this hippy crack laughing gas . the government will ban the gas. the government will ban the sale of it , gas. the government will ban the sale of it, but does banning things actually make any difference? well, i wonder at home just how much you know about crack, because i bet . about crack, because i bet. you're under the age of 25. you probably don't know very much about it. well, joining me this evening on the panel, dr. robert lefevre, former gp. but importantly for this conversation , addiction conversation, addiction specialist . what can you tell specialist. what can you tell us, dr. robert , about nitrous

us, dr. robert, about nitrous oxide ? nitrous oxide, as you say oxide? nitrous oxide, as you say , is used in dentistry and is used in helping women to have more pain free birth . used in helping women to have more pain free birth. but used in helping women to have more pain free birth . but the more pain free birth. but the young people use it for its euphonc young people use it for its euphoric effect. it gives them a high and making it illegal is not going to have any more effect than putting cannabis into the same category that then i want to put laughing . it had i want to put laughing. it had no effect what have people are using cannabis as if it's going out of fashion and they will continue to use a laughing gas and nitrous oxide in exactly the same way and making it a legal parody strictly will appeal to some people that say, wow, yeah, this must be illegal, it must be good medically. you know, we know that prolonged, sustained use of cannabis or what is sold as cannabis, which these days is

often 20 times stronger than belief itself . the reason i'm belief itself. the reason i'm talking about we know that can be psychotic. psychotic effects. we know it can dull people's personality . do we know much personality. do we know much about the potential harms of regular use of nitrous oxide? well, there are people who take regular use and there are people who study them and what they find is it has very similar effects. and the damaging effects. and the damaging effects of cannabis. it damages mood , memory and motivation . mood, memory and motivation. well, those are the three things i most wanted my life. if you damage mood, memory and motivation and what have we got left? we but how do we disincentivise young people from using this ? you can't young using this? you can't young people will always want to individual , people will always want to individual, which means they want to rebel , which individual, which means they want to rebel, which means individual, which means they want to rebel , which means they want to rebel, which means they want to rebel, which means they want to rebel, which means they want to do what their parents think was appalling and so they will use drugs. they will all sorts of things . some of them, sorts of things. some of them, some of them know about it . and

some of them know about it. and you know, 15% of the population have addictive natures born with that tendency . i have that and that tendency. i have that and you look at the look of a family, you'll find one riddled with addiction. we make a speciality hobbit . i happen to speciality hobbit. i happen to do it professionally, but i know that i haven't used any mood altering substance for the last 37 years for that very reason . 37 years for that very reason. i'm not good at it. yeah, i other things, but i'm not good at using drugs. know what? it's always good to identify your own weaknesses. life. peter blakeslee , former metropolitan blakeslee, former metropolitan police detective we've been fighting this so—called war on drugs . i fighting this so—called war on drugs. i heard it every year for . the last, i don't know, 30, 40 years. it doesn't feel a policing perspective like we're winning . oh, the war on drugs winning. oh, the war on drugs cannot and will not ever be won. it's a it's a folly . we started it's a it's a folly. we started this over 50 years ago with a misuse of drugs act 1971, and

it'll that act, which will now cover oxide rishi sunak going against the advice of his un panel on the misuse of drugs , panel on the misuse of drugs, who said don't make it illegal. however the drugs industry is vast and the reason it's vast is as the learned doctors touched upon here, it's a very human thing to alter your mental state. it's what people have to sugars in a cup of tea. state. it's what people have to sugars in a cup of tea . it's why sugars in a cup of tea. it's why people might enjoy a bar of chocolate or comedy on the television , or even make enough television, or even make enough to alter our mental state. it's what makes human beings and drugs is a part of all that. this entire industry is left completely in hands of criminals and now notches oxide will become a valuable asset for criminals . cazale saw it even if criminals. cazale saw it even if the prime minister prevents the sale , for example, online sale, for example, online criminals will source it. and now we will. nitrous oxide being sold alongside other drugs in grooming car parks and darkened

alleyways . there will be parents alleyways. there will be parents and grandparents. it's alleyways. there will be parents and grandparents . it's watching and grandparents. it's watching you guys , listening to this you guys, listening to this saying this is a council of despair here. but actually through better education by warning people of the potential downside, we limit the number of young people that take these things i think that's absolutely right. education on the right things in the right is the way forward . now, what we need to forward. now, what we need to teach in schools is the 12 step programme of alcoholics anonymous , because from that anonymous, because from that comes narcotics anonymous. overeaters anonymous , gamblers overeaters anonymous, gamblers anonymous, all the others . why anonymous, all the others. why don't we teach people how to get well instead of always concentrating on the things that are going to cause even more damage ? if you have as in damage? if you have as in america, where 12 step programs are taught in school, you get taken for granted . and that, you taken for granted. and that, you know, when you hear that somebody has got an addiction problem, you say, well, is he in

recovery? well, that's just jargon to us. but recovering the process of getting rid of one's addiction so that we use it on a day to day basis. i don't have that tendency anymore. yeah, that's what we must try the trouble in america. they've moved on to things like dental and there are now hundreds opioid deaths a year in america . peter, we have to. we have to police somewhere the way we have to legalise is and regulate. please separate those words and regulate the entire illegal drugs . when we do that , when drugs. when we do that, when people can legally purchase cocaine, cannabis and the like from a regulated outlet out where it has been is has been regulated so we know what's in it you get a leaflet detailing its strength when you buy it like you do with piracy tomorrow for example when that entire industry is taken away from criminals who will encourage you to take more drugs , who will

to take more drugs, who will encourage you to take more addictive drugs so they can sell you more and more profit then and only will we wrestle this industry away from criminals. absolutely fascinating. thank you to both of you . and you to both of you. and i promise you at home, these two are not anarchic screaming or anything like . but it is anything like. but it is interesting . it is interesting. interesting. it is interesting. you know, there are very powerful arguments around education starting very early and around the fact that maybe we're wasting a vast amount of police time, court time , prison police time, court time, prison time on this, that maybe we could spend in better ways if we got this trade out of the hands of the criminals. i have to got this trade out of the hands of the criminals . i have to say, of the criminals. i have to say, i've been tempted by argument for many years. in a moment we'll cross to the house of commons while they are debating the illegal immigration bill that was supposed to be a big rebellion on the back benches today as was last week. on a separate issue , apparently that separate issue, apparently that rebellion has melted away. in a moment, we'll find out why.

rebellion has melted away. in a moment, we'll find out why . that moment, we'll find out why. that thought was .

a so they going to ban laughing gas? yes hippy crack is out and those that are caught selling it could face prison sentences apparently of up to two years. some of your thoughts on this very interesting and i think very interesting and i think very important . one viewer says very important. one viewer says pretty sure they banned cannabis. wonder how that's going. prop says silly idea it's not going to make it any more difficult to get hold of now. i doubt that it will. another says to all their elections imminent by any chance heard it all before police won't arrest and judges won't sentence. so what's the point. and a final thought on. this from melissa, who says 7 on. this from melissa, who says ? yes, that will stop all the

stabbings, rapes , muggings and stabbings, rapes, muggings and violence. and melissa , you're violence. and melissa, you're absolutely right. we've got bigger things to worry about on our streets . i just look at some our streets. i just look at some of the footage of people out there on the streets of london, especially those with expensive watches and gangs, with machetes mugging them. that would be a bigger concern for me now as we speak there is a debate going on in the house of commons on the illegal immigration bill. this is where rishi government with, of course , a strong home of course, a strong home secretary in the shape of suella braverman. they've talked even tougher than priti patel did before. but is it really to make any difference? the idea that people come across the channel are deemed to have come illegally , are detained and then illegally, are detained and then deported? is it really going to happen all the while we're under the auspices of the european court of human rights. i got to tell you , i have my doubts. i tell you, i have my doubts. i

doubt tell you, i have my doubts. i douth tell you, i have my doubts. i doubt i doubt for that reason. i also doubt it because british judges will seize , upon the judges will seize, upon the human rights act signed into law in this country in 1998. so what we heard over the weekend was that up to 60 conservative members of parliament were going to lay down some amendments are really tough amendments. that said we would as a country ignore the rulings of the echr at least that is my understanding of what this rebellion was going to be about and what the amendments being put down would say . and yet put down would say. and yet today we learn they've all been withdrawn . has rishi sunak withdrawn. has rishi sunak managed fob off yet another potential division in the conservative party? joining me is the conservative member of parliament from stoke on trent. jonathan gallus, who joins us in his office in the house of commons. jonathan, welcome to the program now. you know , as the program now. you know, as i understood it, you were one of

the people that wanted to put down some tough amendments and now you've withdrawn them. what's happening, sir? nigel did lay those amendments. they been debated. in fact, today , said debated. in fact, today, said bill cash, danny kruger , simon bill cash, danny kruger, simon crocker, now john hayes are speaking to their allowance. and i was speaking your mind in day two of committee tomorrow. well, we have agreed after speaking with home secretary was not to push committee push to a vote at committee stage. does rule out stage. that does not rule out voting at report stage in the agreement that we will enter meaningful discussion at the home secretary between the immigration minister and the prime minister to sure that prime minister to make sure that some amendments, all some of these amendments, all the can be the might they they can be adopted because adopted by government because i think important that we think it's important that we respect that those conversations can happen in private. as can happen in private. but as i say, not taken say, if we're not taken seriously, we will seriously, nigel, we will be afraid call vote. and they afraid to call a vote. and they will mean that the will ultimately mean that the conservative party will only win any via opposition any division via opposition votes, which the thing votes, which is the last thing anyone say . jonathan anyone wants to say. jonathan explain to us, you know, your these amendments that you want

to put down and debate , want the to put down and debate, want the government to incorporate . government to incorporate. explain to us why these amendments will make a difference . so we can work difference. so we can work closely with professor richard aiken strings on foreign policy exchange and policy. speak with people that you speak to as well, knowledge about how we can make sure. because as you have long about and long quantified about and correctly these were rule 39 correctly so, these were rule 39 orders are not something that was ever written into . the was ever written into. the european convention on human rights is something for 25 that was came in late. they're not legally binding yet to many uk take them into account what stopped those for that plane going to rwanda last year. so we're saying we should totally ignore these rule 39 was make it very explicitly clear to uk judges they are to take those into account. another one is about this applying sections four, six and ten. he writes that prime minister and the that the prime minister and the home , section home secretary, section three, but we think these other three sections are still gateways that can't be used, abused by leftie lawyers and activist judges in order to prevent people from

being removed. and then civil countries. amendment three, big that pushing is about that we're pushing is about stopping injunctions, last minute injunctions being put on people from being removed in uk domestic courts and say if someone's unfit to fly or someone's unfit to fly or someone's going to be persecuted in the country, we're taking it so then we can their removal. but under those everyone is but under those everyone else is on the plane. off it goes to amanda to other safer countries because we don't on this you know nigel not with the reform party can i say you will do the damage that will my seat in stoke on trent north it means i will have a labour mp. sadly come and ultimately someone come back and ultimately someone who's and free who's pro borders and pro free movement . well, yeah. i mean, movement. well, yeah. i mean, look, you know, i think the conservative government have been very pro open borders, haven't i mean, haven't they? i mean, even legal. legal migration last legal. legal net migration last year , half a million, let alone year, half a million, let alone the 46,000 that crossed the engush the 46,000 that crossed the english channel. a lot of people, jonathan, will say it doesn't make any difference. and talking but talking tough is one thing. but delivering is what matters. what if? what if ultimately you get

your way and the legislation is worded in the way in which you want, and yet still we get strong judgements coming out of strasbourg , backed up by large strasbourg, backed up by large sections of the media back up by british judges saying how in a second, you know, parliament can pass laws. of course it can , but pass laws. of course it can, but we're signed up here by international treaty to the european convention on human rights. i mean, we're almost back, actually to the brexit debate. what i'm really getting at is rather than fiddling around the edges and hoping for around the edges and hoping for a decent , which i, around the edges and hoping for a decent, which i, i'm still very pessimistic about, wouldn't just be more honest to say that we shouldn't be part of echr, that we should genuinely be sovereign when comes to managing our borders . so sovereign when comes to managing our borders. so nigel, i'll be very clear with you . i've said very clear with you. i've said it before in other interviews. i absolutely do think that the

next general election is a case and we should have in the conservative party manifesto that we will from the that we will withdraw from the echr as you say, treaty echr because, as you say, treaty agreements does not trumps sovereignty law in our sovereignty of law in our british parliament. the borders are also sovereign and under the control of this uk government and we should not have some foreign judge in strasbourg woke up . well, he seems he seems so up. well, he seems he seems so jonathan. i think we got the message but jonathan i'm sorry jonathan you i thought you dropped out briefly. quick question to if the conservatives were to put in their next manifesto that they would have a negotiating session and consider leaving the echr . why should we leaving the echr. why should we believe them ? well, i think in believe them? well, i think in the day this government has been delivering the 2019 manifesto, i've seen the up agenda in my own constituency of stoke on

trent north case grievance or the 56 million levelling up funds, the 70.6 million kidsgrove town deal. i've seen bringing forward legislation as said were to see get brexit said we were to see get brexit done to obviously sure that we get that deal to end the frustration that was going on in parliament as well. other important piece of legislation onune important piece of legislation online harms bill is being important to protect people on a vote. constituents who sadly lost loved from taking their own life due to the fact there's these vile websites advising people on how to do it. so i want to show the government is i do its job. the prime minister will deliver . but we have not will deliver. but we have not taken back control of our borders , which was the key issue borders, which was the key issue that got brexit over the line and helped get like you elected in stoke on trent so far you've got to be honest with that's been a failure although i understand totally people are livid you know i'm not happy about the fact that i was kicking off about this issue. i think it was 2 to 4000 originally. and i'm gobsmacked that it's taken sadly some colleagues across the house and

it's while longer to jump on it's a while longer to jump on board i understand board this issue. i understand seriousness totally seriousness of it, and i totally get the british public are get why the british public are fed with what was now fed up with seeing what was now 45,000. it could be up to 70, 80,000 by 2023. if we don't get this policy implemented. i know is what will determine whether or not i am remaining as the member of parliament, the stoke on trent or kidsgrove and so i think, nigel, you and i both know i'm pretty vocalises you're not being a dumb brag on it and pretty proud . and i'll be pretty loud, proud. and i'll be pointing to denial to make sure deliver. because as you say, if we don't, if this legislation ends up being another march up the hill, then march back down again. that's it for the conservative agree with conservative party. i agree with jonathan. thank you for joining us here again on gb us tonight. here again on gb news and i don't doubt jonathan's sincerity , but i'm jonathan's sincerity, but i'm not sure i fully rishi the spinner . in a not sure i fully rishi the spinner. in a moment the snp have a new leader is that going to save them from the calamitous decline they've suffered over

the last few months .

well that's it . there is a new well that's it. there is a new leader of the snp . humza yousaf leader of the snp. humza yousaf has won the poll with nearly 53% of the vote against 47. to kate forbes very interesting result actually . i mean, kate forbes, actually. i mean, kate forbes, who's come out this very, very wee free christian, been absolutely slammed by almost the entirety of scottish media facing resignations, demands for her to withdraw from the race. and you know what, kate forbes did? she stuck to her guns . she did? she stuck to her guns. she stuck to her principles . she she stuck to her principles. she she showed, in my opinion , showed, in my opinion, considerable moral and did better than anybody expected. so the favourite has won. and what

do we know about him? but what we know is that his transport minister , he was stopped and minister, he was stopped and fined for driving without ensure science. we know that along with nicola sturgeon he backed a new ferry project to islands which still hasn't been completed . a still hasn't been completed. a massive impasse possibly, possibly some suggesting even fraudulent , possibly some suggesting even fraudulent, not on behalf of the ministers, but the companies cost to the scottish taxpayer. we know that running education, sorry, health that waiting lists went up. and finally he says that he's for gay marriage . he that he's for gay marriage. he says that he's for the sturgeon and gender identity legislation was ultimately brought her down and yet when there are big votes in parliament on these issues he appears convenient lee not to being there which is leading some to say or question whether he comes under from his own . he comes under from his own. community but there you have it.

humza yousaf is the leader of the snp . does that mean he will the snp. does that mean he will automatically become the first minister of scotland? well joining me is tony maguire gb news, scotland reporter outside hollyrood . so tony, as i hollyrood. so tony, as i understand it, hollyrood. so tony, as i understand it , this snp election understand it, this snp election has to go for a vote in the scottish tomorrow , but the snp scottish tomorrow, but the snp don't have 50% of the members. is there a danger that mr. joseph doesn't get approved . joseph doesn't get approved. even if. nigel. i say that given the winner is humza yousaf , that the winner is humza yousaf, that seems a lot less likely. certainly there was a lot of talk about whether the snp and the greens would continue their parachuting agreement in the house if it was forbes in name, who is called out today, if it was her that was giving the victory speech . that hasn't come

victory speech. that hasn't come to pass though , and certainly to pass though, and certainly the continuity can do. there seems to be and frame for continue this government where it begins by has stayed until the end of this term. i if you look at travel through history you know last time round in 2021 nicola sturgeon got 64 nominees. douglas ross, leader of the scottish conservative unionist party, he had 31. and if you go back a little bit further in two thousand and seven, alex to just won the scottish election for the snp for the first time and outgoing first ministerjack outgoing first minister jack mcconnell , he came painfully mcconnell, he came painfully close. alex salmond had 49 nominations and jack mcconnell 46. the rules of the game are that whoever has the most votes will get the honour of being first minister or for the continuation of this

parliamentary term. have seen other candidates from , other, other candidates from, other, other candidates from, other, other other parties put their names forward. but that that is how it works. tomorrow okay. so doesn't need an absolute majority, just needs the most votes of those that want to run the first minister. that makes things very, very clear. another thought, tony, if i can, is kate forbes express opinions that by modern day stand ins would be considered to be very small c conservative her views on family , conservative her views on family ' gay conservative her views on family , gay marriage, etc. the transition, etc. doesn't the fact she got 47% of the vote one second preferences added in. show us that actually the snp are not all these mad progressive we thought they were under nicola sturgeon that actually on these socialists is the party is very very split . the party is very very split. yes certainly mean we keep

heanng yes certainly mean we keep hearing that phrase the is a broad church of ideas and ideas and certainly within 24 hours kate forbes had almost tanked her campaign because of the outpour of reaction . but she outpour of reaction. but she picked herself up and she came back and actually , in the last back and actually, in the last dying days of the campaign , you dying days of the campaign, you know, i believe that there is a bit of a scramble in the use camp because they thought kate forbes with of one ness or in the second preference votes . the second preference votes. now, i think that what this campaign the five weeks, five long weeks has shown is that actually the progressive part of that progressive was one thing under nicola sturgeon . but i under nicola sturgeon. but i actually think that now people are waking up to the idea that progressive can be more know, it can be more diverse than that progressive is whatever takes us forward into the future and texas texas and a new really . texas texas and a new really. yeah look i think it's really

interesting. i'm sure you're right . but tomorrow will be right. but tomorrow will be a formality. but in case do stand by, because we may need you back. chris maguire. thank you for joining us. hollyrood this forjoining us. hollyrood this evening. very, very good . now evening. very, very good. now civil servant announcement hot off the press. the pcc union have announced that their 100th 30,000 members will be on an all out strike on the 28th of april. but given that the latest owner's survey suggests that 48% of public servants are either working partly or from home and given that, we know that in the first weeks of this year whitehall was half empty . if the whitehall was half empty. if the civil servants are going on strike, how on earth would we notice? quick to quit? what the farage moment. i bet you get pretty bored with your weekly and biweekly recycling bins . and biweekly recycling bins. i've got three many people in cities have four. there are new proposals that say our recycling

rate hasn't really improved since 2015, so we might have up to seven different recycling . it to seven different recycling. it is completely crackers . whenever is completely crackers. whenever i see those pictures of ship loads of waste going off to landfill in china or elsewhere, it makes me pretty angry. i'm not sure . we're doing this as not sure. we're doing this as well as we could ourselves. in a moment , i'll well as we could ourselves. in a moment, i'll be joined by the long time editor, the sunday express , probably the most express, probably the most brexiteer newspaper in the country. martin townsend joins me in a moment to talk embiid's

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yes, it's my time of the day. absolutely it's talking pints with martin. martin. welcome to lovely to be here. thank program

. now we will, of course, talk about your 18 years editing a sunday newspaper, but i want to go back to the beginning. okay. because i find this interesting . you came from a relatively humble background, but you clearly bright, you possible a1 plus you go to a grammar school. yes the same grammar school that michael portillo . yes. of this michael portillo. yes. of this parish. when two days. do you . parish. when two days. do you. that the opportunity you had from a modest background to go to a grammar school was one of the key things that helped you get over 100. absolutely hundred % yeah. because i was was from a very humble background. i grew up on a council estate . my up on a council estate. my parents always wanted me to get on, but didn't push me in any one particular direction. and i got chance . go to a grammar got the chance. go to a grammar school and immediately i got there, you know . well, it was there, you know. well, it was run like a like a private school, like a public school. so we had a house system. you know, we had a house system. you know, we rugby. i wasn't a

we played rugby. i wasn't a great rugby player, i have to say, or cricket particularly. but of course the teachers at the absolute , be the masters were absolute, be exemplary was very lucky exemplary and i was very lucky at that school to have an master who absolutely me to write, which is all i ever really wanted to do. i wasn't much copper anything else really, if i'm honest, very important in life, you know that. well, he was he was incredibly encouraging and incredibly encouraging and incredibly encouraging . my parents he encouraging. my parents and he pushed the direction of, pushed me in the direction of, you because i was having you know, because i was having the career things as do. the usual career things as do. and the seventies, if you and in the seventies, if you were good writing good at were good writing or good at english, you were immediately, immediately say you, to immediately say you, need to be a social so it was it a social worker. so it was it was with the same way, but of course mr. collins. i'll course i had mr. collins. i'll give yes. james give him name check. yes. james goddard. who was my english master. and he was to my parents. he to write. you parents. he has to write. you have get write. and have to get him to write. and that's the idea of going that's when the idea of going into journalism, i think, is really interesting because i mean, i know you, but i feel that the closure hundreds of that the closure of hundreds of grammar over the grammar schools all over the country denied a lot country is perhaps denied a lot of girls from your of boys and girls from your background. absolutely.

background. oh, absolutely. i mean, did talk about mean, theresa may did talk about didn't she, at one time, i think was going to plant reopen for about 500 year for about 5 minutes. and i thought it was a fantastic i mean, basically became the kind of gold standard in an and what happened in in an area. and what happened in harrow, i was you had harrow, where i was is, you had harrow, where i was is, you had harrow county grammar school and then schools and then you had other schools and they of came up around they all kind of came up around it really. it was just a it really. and it was just a remarkable thing. he's really interesting yeah. but if you go into the big wide world. yes, i music and journalism . yes. where music and journalism. yes. where marks. he said finishes up and i understand can actually sing a bit as well. well sang i did i sang one of poor young singles which ironically called other only fooling myself , which which ironically called other only fooling myself, which i thought if ever that was a joke to my face, i sit i suspect it was. but anyway, yeah, i happened to be interviewing him one one afternoon and he said, i'm going into the studio making this you sing it this record. can you sing it too?i this record. can you sing it too? i said, well, actually, yeah, i'm okay. can sing a yeah, i'm okay. i can sing a bit. i can hold a tune. so he

got in i sang vocals on got me in and i sang vocals on this and you can hear me just about just it's pretty. i mean, i don't know what that on about just it's pretty. i mean, i d(greatestr what that on about just it's pretty. i mean, i d(greatest hits.t that on about just it's pretty. i mean, i d(greatest hits.t thathink,)n his greatest hits. so i think, one, i have you talked to a gold record? i've never claimed it for love it. yeah, it for good. love it. yeah, it could have a gold record. oh, my god. is quite good. yeah now god. it is quite good. yeah now that world music that whole world music journalism, this pre the internet. all sorts internet. yeah. so all sorts of newspapers, magazine very newspapers, magazine it's a very active, very competitive world, wasn't yeah, it absolutely active, very competitive world, waane yeah, it absolutely active, very competitive world, waane the ah, it absolutely active, very competitive world, waane the musical solutely active, very competitive world, waane the musical express, the was. we the musical express, the melody , mary, which i melody maker, mary, which i worked briefly , that's where worked for briefly, that's where i met paula yates . yeah. the i met paula yates. yeah. the first time. and it was it was it was extraordinarily it was a great time for publishing all round at that time. i mean, you know, there were magazines about everything but yeah, music, everything but yeah, the music, the press was incredible the music press was incredible really. and i at that time , my really. and i at that time, my big breakthrough radio was working called working for a thing called number one magazine, which was iprs answer to smash hits iprs ipsis answer to smash hits . and course, smash hits was . and of course, smash hits was the magazine, the one the big pop magazine, the one that had neil tennant the that had neil tennant for the pet boys for it. but we pet shop boys for it. but we were weekly were were weekly they were fortnightly kind of

fortnightly and we kind of gradually of started to gradually sort of started to catch with them and sort of get our own relationships with . our own relationships with. people at the time like duran duran and frankie to duran and frankie goes to hollywood to meet all hollywood and i got to meet all these people in eighties and these people in the eighties and eighties music kind of upbeat and optimistic , wasn't it? it and optimistic, wasn't it? it was. and they they wore brightly coloured and silly price suits. they made incredibly expensive video. i mean, one of the reasons for that actually, of course, the arrival of the cd, because it meant that the record companies could sell all the same music to people all over again on cd. people would chuck that time away their vinyl that time chuck away their vinyl volumes back to spike that. and of course they were making money over again. so that was why there so much quite there was so much quite logically, you went deeper logically, you went a bit deeper into and it was show, into this and it was show, wasn't yeah. yeah, did. wasn't it? yeah. yeah, i did. i did showbiz for i've joined today newspaper with eddie shaw yeahi today newspaper with eddie shaw yeah i was pop ed over there but also doing a bit of show biz. i left there after about 18 months, two years and went and did showbiz for of the national

newspapers. yeah. really enjoy it and showbiz pop we're now about the world of the beckhams. yes all these big people, the politics will come back to. yeah in a moment. but of all those stars that you had interviewed, who did you really like ? who did who did you really like? who did you really dislike ? well, i you really dislike? well, i liked i missed going to sound awful, but i most of them actually there wasn't very, very many people i fell out with . the many people i fell outwith. the first ever interview i did was a guy called george benson, who would always be that. i'd always been george and we been a huge fan george and we did this . we had this amazing did this. we had this amazing interview and was drinking. interview and he was drinking. we drinking these vodka we were drinking these vodka screw was getting to screw drivers. it was getting to be better be a better and better interview. and was such great interview. and he was such great company such a great company and he's such a great artist well. and it was just artist as well. and it was just such a pleasure to meet so such a pleasure to meet him. so i remember that because i always remember that because i was the first interview was the first big interview i did. think over the years, the did. i think over the years, the ones, the one i enjoyed the most probably looking back on, it was roy orbison because it was such a a privilege to meet him a again a privilege to meet him . such interesting . and he said such interesting things about music, about things about his music, about the quality of his

the dreamlike quality of his music, which really appealed to me. i just thought it was an me. and i just thought it was an extraordinary and the extraordinary man. and the relationship very relationship with, the very troubled in the end, very tragic paula , actually was the subject paula, actually was the subject quite well not that long ago . quite well not that long ago. yes. of a big channel for documentary which you were very much at the helm of. it's a long since she died. and yet the interest in a still appears to be the. yeah and i was really surprised by that if i'm honest because when she died which i think was in 2000, she seemed to be forgotten really quickly. and i quite upset about all i was quite upset about all that. i paul is gone, you know. i very close to i i mean, i was very close to i was friends with her and, you know, because know, i missed her because she was just great fun to be was it's just great fun to be around. yeah, but somehow the world had moved on and nobody to want know paul. and want to know about paul. and funnily couple of funnily enough, a couple of years i actually suggested funnily enough, a couple of ye someone, actually suggested funnily enough, a couple of ye someone, d01ally suggested funnily enough, a couple of ye someone, d01a whnggested funnily enough, a couple of ye someone, d01a why don't:ed funnily enough, a couple of ye someone, d01a why don't we do to someone, do a why don't we do something yates? and something on paul yates? and they one, no one's they said, oh, no one, no one's interested . in when that interested. in fact, when that production company came along and suggested it, i well, and suggested it, i said, well, i've these you some i've got these tapes. you some of last interview she did or of the last interview she did or the interview she did . be

the last interview she did. be fair. she sang some extraordinarily strong , eerily extraordinarily strong, eerily interesting things on them, really emotional things on there about where she is in her life and the way she's been persecuted by the media and all of this sort of stuff, which often times can be a bit dull. everyone claims persecuted everyone claims to be persecuted by the but actually paul by the media, but actually paul probably a of press probably did have a bit of press for that. and they what they did was separate paul her out was they separate paul her out from pope girls of drama and from the pope girls of drama and they gave paul it back her personality and her character a personality and her character a person in tv . personality and her character a person in tv. it was personality and her character a person in tv . it was really person in tv. it was really important for and everybody very interesting project . yeah. but interesting project. yeah. but you do all of this stuff. okay magazine you now you now working for richard desmond and. suddenly there's a complete 180 a martin townsend becomes the editor of the sunday express . editor of the sunday express. yes. and he's now doing serious stuff. yes. yeah. which was a shock to everybody , you know. shock to everybody, you know. and i was getting a lot of flak for that because people say, well, you know, he's a showbiz

at showbiz. but, you know lots of people came from that side of things, piers morgan came from that of things. i piers, that side of things. i piers, saying something really interesting about editing a newspaper. something newspaper. it was something along it takes you along the lines of it takes you about years to actually about five years to actually learn properly. i think he learn to do properly. i think he said years. hate to said five years. i'd hate to misquote morgan, but it did take two or three years at least to really get the swing of it. really get into the swing of it. well, you lasted he lasted and you were a stable four younger, less that work for you. martin that went on to become political editors of the sunday times , of editors of the sunday times, of course. camilla tominey who's yes , with us on sunday mornings yes, with us on sunday mornings here. and all of that is quite rewarding. but i was with you at a big moment . rewarding. but i was with you at a big moment. the express newspaper's history . i was newspaper's history. i was having an extended lunch with richard this day, and i think you knew roughly where this was going by date. it has been called you . and i was in the called you. and i was in the room , hewitt. i was editing the room, hewitt. i was editing the daily. richard right, that's it. we've made our minds up this newspaper group is going to back

leaving europe and we're going to support nigel. i was astonished that at the time, i mean, the rest of street thought the express had gone . yeah, the express had gone. yeah, well, it , it was the express had gone. yeah, well, it, it was a the express had gone. yeah, well, it , it was a strange well, it, it was a strange moment for me because i had i have you had reservations? i did. i did . see in your face. did. i did. see in your face. i did. i did. see in your face. i did have reservations . and the did have reservations. and the reason was that i knew the read the reader's work voters yet . the reader's work voters yet. but i also knew that i never ever had a single letter that was about the, you know , not was about the, you know, not one. and also i also knew that if i ever put the eu on the front of the paper about eu waste or something, all those kind of stories, my sail would go down, you know, would just it just plummet. and the reason for that i found out from talking to the readers was didn't feel there was ever any hope of leaving the eu . if you present leaving the eu. if you present readers with a story that offers them no hope, no hope at all, they switch off . and so they switch off. and so i stopped doing it. i stopped

doing these, you know. but the moment there was a sniff of brexit, the moment there was a sniff that we might be able to get can be enjoyed getting back . so suddenly you put brexit on the , the paper, would the front, the paper, the would you put to be on the front of you, put you on quite a few sides. was, it was sides. yeah. and it was, it was an extraordinary it turned an extraordinary but it turned out that just as the express was the only newspaper that really understood stood the threat, the hitler posed in the 1930s. yes. the express with the first all this as well. what amazing career. 18 years. i mean richard desmond , did you cope with him? desmond, did you cope with him? because he really i mean, he speaks his mind . yeah. he he was speaks his mind. yeah. he he was larger than life. he was always larger than life. he was always larger than life. i learnt lot from him and i know, i know people said he was ruthless, he could ruthless, he could be very difficult. like lot of successful people. but he was a very exciting person to be around because he achieved an awful lot. and it was it was great to be around that kind of energy and i learnt a lot from his energy, i learnt a lot from

his energy, i learnt a lot from his ability to want to have something done and to get it done quickly. so know i mean because it was all the media if he wanted something done it had to be done. so yeah and it got me into that discipline and i learnt an awful lot actually about him, about the technical side putting of what cells side of putting of what cells magazines, what sells newspapers, the next ordinary bloke. you've bloke. yeah. and now you've left that feel pr that big europe page feel pr consultants. yeah must a consultants. yeah life must be a little bit sedate now. kind little bit more sedate now. kind of. i've just had a weekend of sad. got to say this i've just had a weekend. it's been extraordinary because hospital, which is one of our clients celebrated its 900 birthday on saturday it was absolutely fantastic they're building a brand new breast cancer centre , brand new breast cancer centre, brand new breast cancer centre, brand new breast cancer centre, brand new clinical research facility with the help of barts charity who collects the money from donors and makes sure that these big projects can happen because obviously the nhs can't afford to do this stuff. it has to be something that's done with donations has always been the way with barts as well. there's a long history of being support

it. you can go into the great hall there and see all the donations. an donations. unbelievable. it's an amazing me, it's amazing place. so for me, it's been fantastic page. been just a fantastic page. filled a great place to work. filled is a great place to work. i really enjoy it. fed a lot of fun even. i've now got a new career. so you've enjoyed yourself everything you've yourself with everything you've done we to talk done including we going to talk about enjoyed it . about really enjoyed it. splendid thanks nigel. thank you very much . very much. okay a couple of hours of power outages. what have you got for today? robbie asks, does hancock now have all the right credentials to be elevated to the house of lords. yes, absolutely. including wanted to sell his services for £10,000 a day. i would have thought he was ideally suited to the current makeup of the upper house. he will it . wambua asks the will love it. wambua asks the fishing communities over £100 million more last year through brexit with to come. why is so little said about this so many years? i'll tell you why a

little. this is pure spin being put out. the british fishing industry is being allowed to catch a few of its own fish in what should be our territorial waters. i can tell you in the south—east of england, we are suffering devastating, devasted eating, destruction of fish stocks , more foreign vessels, stocks, more foreign vessels, fishing a six mile line than ever before, and a blitz of regulations in for the small fishing fleet that will drive many of them out of business. i'm going to be doing a big piece on this to later this week. now jacob rees—mogg, illegal immigration being discussed over. illegal immigration being discussed over . the illegal immigration being discussed over. the road. yes. what have you got there talking about that? there making about on that? there making people because cost people poorer because the cost energy are going up. a new report has come saying the report has come out saying the price be 93% higher than price could be 93% higher than it otherwise . and the fact it would otherwise. and the fact this has particular of living crisis , cost of living crisis crisis, cost of living crisis and of course, it's expensive to manufacture things in britain as well . we're less competitive well. we're less competitive with other nations . we're really with other nations. we're really damaging our own interest. i've got a brilliant guest on who's part of the extinction rebellion

and threw tomato soup over brand part of the extinction rebellion and tso w tomato soup over brand part of the extinction rebellion and tso we'lllato soup over brand part of the extinction rebellion and tso we'll see soup over brand part of the extinction rebellion and tso we'll see what over brand part of the extinction rebellion and tso we'll see what happensid golf. so we'll see what happens . good with that. . well, good luck with that. first let's get the first of all, let's get the whole imports , whether . hello whole imports, whether. hello again. a fine end to monday, but as we go into tuesday , well, as we go into tuesday, well, it's going to turn wet once again. more rain on the way from the west. a large area of pressure actually is sitting in the atlantic and that's going to send various weather features. our. started the week with our. we started the week with high pressure and we that at least for the first half of the night and that will allow skies to clear with just some rain and sleet affecting otherwise most places dry with those clear spells temperatures falling away. minus three a minus four celsius possible for northeastern parts of scotland. a chilly night to come as well for eastern england. but for the west. actually west. temperatures actually rising through night as the rising through the night as the next in that will bring next system in that will bring thickening cloud and some outbreaks rain. first thing outbreaks of rain. first thing on tuesday. a wet start for on tuesday. so a wet start for northern ireland, western scotland western parts of scotland into western parts of england those spells england and wales. those spells of pushing eastwards of rain pushing north eastwards through so that most through the morning so that most places the end of

places are damp by the end of the morning lunchtime, that the morning. by lunchtime, that rain reaching the far north of scotland . with all the cloud and scotland. with all the cloud and the rain, it's not gonna feel very out there. it's very pleasant out there. it's going on chilly side going to stay on the chilly side in but ireland likely in the east. but ireland likely to showers to brighten up a few showers here, but otherwise temperatures reaching 14 celsius. and so that will feel a bit milder , though. will feel a bit milder, though. shine was also pushing into western scotland, parts wales western scotland, parts of wales and southwest the end of the and the southwest the end of the afternoon and into the evening. a lot of cloud overnight as well. i don't think wednesday well. so i don't think wednesday is going to off particularly chilly , perhaps northern chilly, perhaps northern scotland with some breaks in the cloud. we'll see a touch of frost sheltered spots. frost in sheltered spots. otherwise too much cloud, too much wind to lead to a frost and in some places. temperatures holding up in figures, holding up in the figures, especially the and especially towards the and southwest, but it's towards the southwest, but it's towards the south and southwest where we've got the system moving, got the next system moving, a spell rain an hour too. wet spell of rain an hour too. wet weather moving through wednesday morning into northern morning to push into northern ireland by lunchtime as well as northwest england. north wales and that then and the midlands. that then sweeps across country the

sweeps across country during the rest wednesday , followed by rest of wednesday, followed by an showers on an awful lot of showers on thursday. some sunshine in between and in the sunshine feeling warm .

good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg , state of the nation. rees—mogg, state of the nation. tonight a top accountancy chief has warned net—zero will mean higher energy bills for a decade. i'll be joined by the infamous phoebe plummer, who poured tomato soup on van sunflowers. what could possibly go wrong? vox populi. vox day. we ask the great people of balfour past. do you think that the net zero agenda is making energy more expensive ? and energy more expensive? and here's taste of what they had here's a taste of what they had to because is rising like to say because is rising like stink isn't it? wise words to say because is rising like stink isn't it ? wise words from stink isn't it? wise words from the man in belfast and the new leader of the