good evening . it's 11:00. in good evening. it's 11:00. in a moment, good evening. it's11:00. in a moment, headliners but first, let's bring you the latest news headlines. and nicola sturgeon says holmes, you safe will be outstanding as the new leader of the scottish party and a 37, he becomes youngest first minister and, first to come from an ethnic minority background. scotland's health secretary claimed victory over the finance secretary kate forbes and former community safety ash regan. with 52% of the vote. he says he's honoured to be taking on the role and not just humbled of that. i will certainly. i also feel like the luckiest man in the world to be standing just as

the world to be standing just as the leader of snp party joined almost 20 years ago. and i so dearly humza yousaf speaking there now. a rapier convicted as part of the rotherham grooming gang scandal has been to pay his . victim £425,000 after a trial at sheffield crown court . oscar at sheffield crown court. oscar stern had already jailed for nine years in 2018 for keeping and abusing a 14 year old in his flat ten weeks. the grooming survivor , though, began civil survivor, though, began civil proceedings in 2020 after she was to take action as a test. she told gb news she felt proud to have brought her abuser back to have brought her abuser back to court, hoping he would show they could still get justice justice. but people , this is a justice. but people, this is a landmark case, not the floodgates have just opened and ihope floodgates have just opened and i hope that it it brings to the survivors but also hope that

perhaps not commit these crimes historically but present know that if this is either going be as easy as what they're going to get, well , in other news today, get, well, in other news today, the prime minister says going to be taking a zero tolerance approach to anti—social behaviour . approach to anti—social behaviour. rishi sunak today unveiled . a £160 million scheme unveiled. a £160 million scheme that includes offenders who graffiti or commit vandalism to clean their own communities. the government says laughing gas will also be banned by the end of the year, becoming a class c drug. the minister said current restrictions nitrous oxide just aren't . we're going to do over aren't. we're going to do over the course of the spring in the summer it's consult on the best way to do this to make sure that it is effective tackling supply is important that's what we while gone after county while we've gone after county line while we've gone after county fine and while we've gone after county line and disrupted and line gangs and disrupted and a half thousand of them so we've toughened drug supply toughened up for drug supply that's why the police have got this things called project adder for example which a national

for example which is a national programme to target drug gangs in particular. all of those things help with supply . things help deal with supply. and lastly, thousands of civil servants and public sector workers are going to be staging walkouts next month . the pcc walkouts next month. the pcc union says more 130,000 members are on strike on april the 10th. in a long running dispute over pay ' in a long running dispute over pay , pensions and job seekers . pay, pensions and job seekers. chrissie, those are latest news headunes chrissie, those are latest news headlines now . headlines . headlines now. headlines. hello i'm simon evans. welcome to headline news. joining me tonight to take you through the best of tuesday's top stories are two of the best top comedians in the country. we have josh howie and paul cox. hello hello. good evening. good evening. little and after their regrowth programme . or maybe of

regrowth programme. or maybe of a better elimination be hard to say which one of you has been using the product. both well, yes, but i can't figure out how to lower this chair, so apologise. please, can the director's start the company? he says my, god, you will between fasts. i am between fasts. intermittent fasting . and then intermittent fasting. and then there's a long period of non fast ing intermittently between the intermittent . the main time the intermittent. the main time i've big that everybody i've got a big that everybody can see on television that i the first chair i need to get to the top vest. that's what need. first chair i need to get to the toplet's. that's what need. first chair i need to get to the toplet's havet's what need. first chair i need to get to the toplet's have at what need. first chair i need to get to the toplet's have a stopt need. first chair i need to get to the toplet's have a stop trying1eed. first chair i need to get to the toplet's have a stop trying to�*d. so let's have a stop trying to steal the limelight. let's have a quick peek at tuesday is front pages we kick off the daily mail who have cracked down on nuisance airbnb party houses, which is an interesting line to take the guardian door. lawrence i was betrayed . read by the i was betrayed. read by the daily mail . we have the daily mail. we have the telegraph with retiring early is to blame for high rate stats high of interest i think and

other unwelcome economic factors rather than high rates of people being unemployed . the times have being unemployed. the times have evict rowdy tenants in two weeks and harry there giving the big thumbs up the express pm. i'll every day for our precious union that in the teeth of the election the daily star. it's life saving buffoonery, jim but not as we know space the key to beating disease . not sure we'll beating disease. not sure we'll beating disease. not sure we'll be investigating one in much detail. but those of you from pages take to look in some detail. now . so we begin detail. now. so we begin guardian . yep, if you wouldn't guardian. yep, if you wouldn't mind. so the two main stories here. doreen lawrence. i was betrayed by the daily mail. this is mail now being taken to court . finally, we thought all that stuff was over , whole news of stuff was over, whole news of the world and said 11 reviews.

it was out. yeah. i mean, this seems like a long time and. right. it was, wasn't it? yeah. yeah and but the daily mail's kind of at the time didn't get caughtin kind of at the time didn't get caught in with all that stuff but it seems like it wasn't necessarily about them doing the phone hacking thing. it was more they were doing private they were doing a lot of private investigators . looking investigators and right. looking at people's bank details and all that kind of stuff. one of the people lawrence, people being doreen lawrence, who mail famously who the daily mail famously supported campaign at supported her campaign at the time . but saying feels time. but she's saying feels used. certainly finding out allegedly this information about how they'd sort of investigate how they'd sort of investigate how she worried that they used unacceptable means to get evidence against the killers . evidence against the killers. stephen lawrence, i don't think it goes to that. i think it was just investigating her life and various other things, you know , various other things, you know, because they famously had that front didn't they. front page, didn't they. they said, they said , defy you said, well they said, defy you to sue us. they were trying to get back. doesn't seem be that it's like that enough but they. yes. she believes they failed her son and there are some other

people as well. it's not the society. hugh grant . people as well. it's not the society. hugh grant. hugh grant is not here. but miss holly . so is not here. but miss holly. so it just shows you how long this has taken to come to court, because i'm a lot of our viewers weren't born when sadie frost it was worth bugging . yes. what was was worth bugging. yes. what was was worth bugging. yes. what was was there is always like a little bit of a danger, isn't there if have beens appear in court you just kind go you will do anything to get into the papers nowadays you liz hurley i don't know she would don't don't know she would i don't want to cast that aspersions. it does a slightly different does have a slightly different aroma. got, paul, aroma. what have you got, paul, next on yes. on next door on this? yes. no, on on the the next paper. yeah. on the on the next paper. yeah. so daily telegraph next so got the daily telegraph next and particularly focusing here on the hamza yousef and what's going on with the snp today and it says i'll resurrect sturgeon's trans reforms , as you sturgeon's trans reforms, as you say, which to me is possibly the stupidest thing he could possibly say. that's exactly what precipitated election to begin with, wasn't it, peter ? begin with, wasn't it, peter? it's it always felt as if he was sturgeon in or the morals man

anyway . the what man. the morals anyway. the what man. the morals as her husband. okay and team snp. yeah so to say that he's going to resurrect this i am sure there is members and snp ps sort of within the snp sorry that will say this is now because he basically wants challenge westminster whereas . challenge westminster whereas. he's got a great opportunity here to put this to bed and mess it up himself. he has said hasn't he. on previous occasions he bring down the union by any means possible. yeah. but what he doesn't seem to realise is that some means are counterproductive . i mean that counterproductive. i mean that will certainly that will certainly a clear star like division between westminster's line and. the scottish doesn't have the support of the scottish since 2000. people in scotland think it's terrible. look and i mean there's a he's has a reputation for gaffes and what not and also running the health service not not very well i mean

you tweet fingers looks on his wikipedia page today which of course have been edited times today and it was full of praise and lord action for his running of the health service for his allowing it to revive after the covid catastrophe in some other papers will say not a bit of it quite difficult to he was famously convicted for not having insurance . it's obvious having insurance. it's obvious now that she wants a wall transport minister need insurance . yes she had and that insurance. yes she had and that was interesting as well because and this i think casts a slightly i don't know viewers may feel completely differently about this but again i read the wikipedia page just doing the research that was the point which his divorce came to light which his divorce came to light which had previously can see what i mean maybe you should consider these things or not drag your family through it. he had become uninsured when his vehicle the vehicle because following the divorce changed the divorce that had changed the i think said you know this was think it said you know this was a an insurance policy married a an insurance policy a married couple or something and he hadnt couple or something and he hadn't attempted it. i do believe that that was a genuine no especially it's

no and especially but it's a slightly odd for it to come slightly odd way for it to come out respect. isn't that out in that respect. isn't that true? just lots of true? and that's just lots of gaffes him his new wife gaffes like him and his new wife were of suing, trying to were sort of suing, trying to sue a nursery. nursery but i believe that was they were racist for not taking their child. and it turns out that the owner was owner of the nursery was was asian or asian descent. it comes across more like a sort of petulant, vexatious activist kind of character rather than somebody capable of actually leading a nation. he's perfect for times. yeah we'll for these times. yeah we'll we'll when we go the we'll find out when we go the front page of the times. now, josh yes. so they've also gone with something the snp. i think so, but that's a labour eyes seat's use of wins snp contest. they think that they can win about 20 seats. so they're very excited about this and i think that's an interesting dynamic. now because it's so far they've been sort of wanting election, labour's been wanting this election quite soon to capitalise all of the tories mishaps and, whatnot and their unpopularity which to be slowly being clawed back, which is why we see still not one so

desperately to make it as as possible to see if they can catch and time. but now catch up and time. but now because labour do well in because labour could do well in actually they have an incentive to also be pushing it back because it seems like the longer the use of as yeah in charge he's going to drive more voters back to labour he's going to be the opposite of rishi sunak. it has calmed everyone down. yes he's going to be divisive. yeah exactly. think give give exactly. i think give give goose.if exactly. i think give give goose. if a year in labour will have more seats in scotland , have more seats in scotland, they're not going to go to the tories and already should tories and already i should imagine few snp or imagine there's a few snp or voters would consider voters that would consider changing because he didn't have it wasn't a decisive victory. but then i wasn't really following it before. 5240 of course this channel recast before the is the safest place i mean, it does seem to be the devil's ratio it it just seems to come up again and again. i say again i'm sure i have seen that 40% is definitely the most clever. yeah yes. oh, tweet me. well got to be fair, i think kate forbes would have been a

very, very good leader for the snp. quite a great sheet. and i'm a unionist, so was quite glad that she didn't. i'm very glad that she didn't. i'm very glad to see how to use it. it's quite interesting how she was the one who was pilloried and attacked for bigotry essentially for religious views , which for her religious views, which there's a guy called , alan there's a guy called, alan massie , i think his name is alex massie, i think his name is alex massie, i think his name is alex massie , who writes for the massie, who writes for the spectator . he writes a substack spectator. he writes a substack as well , spectator. he writes a substack as well, which was spectator. he writes a substack as well , which was excellent, as well, which was excellent, very detail . the history of the very detail. the history of the kirk , the you know, that kirk, the you know, that particular branch of really quite unreconstructed , quite unreconstructed, unreformed, protestant . unreformed, protestant. christian beliefs of which he is a part, you know, and how it was absolute central to scotland's destiny in its resistance to westminster's powers . so on, it westminster's powers. so on, it was the defining character of scottish nationalism for decades, if not centuries, and it's suddenly become unacceptable. it became this big and then use of it turns out that he did not being at the vote himself. yes. and it's all

up with these excuses that got and whatnot. but it all it's interesting how different religions at different times are subject to different degrees of interrogation to some. you've got one other story in the times we should try and hippasus. oh well, there's two too. which one? the children addicted one? that the children addicted to right? they're to video games, right? they're attacking is attacking families, which is it's a lot of lockdown it's gone up a lot of lockdown and whatnot. there's like 750 patients . they're patients have been seen. they're just spending money online, like stealing parents credit stealing their parents credit cards and cards for these posters and whatnot. other one here whatnot. and the other one here is rowdy in two is evict rowdy tenants in two weeks. this is part weeks. now, this is part of ricci's back where sort of ricci's climb back where sort of cutting down laughing gas and all the fun stuff out there. he's come from lesbos . i know he's come from lesbos. i know that stuff that i agree with. and yeah . constantly frustrates and yeah. constantly frustrates me. that hasn't been dealt with in terms of littering and whatnot. interesting. one of the stories, i don't know which paper was on, they focussed paper it was on, they focussed on those houses that on the airbnb, those houses that have airbnb have been turned into airbnb party houses . have been turned into airbnb party houses. i happen to know a couple of people brighton couple of people in brighton hove happened , hove for whom that's happened, know neighbours know next door neighbours go away weekend place away every weekend and the place turns like animal you

turns into a like animal you know. yeah. and does get a in know. yeah. and it does get a in this this times column this in this times column actually. but it must be terrible. we've all i mean we've all state and each state now have based someone that have been based on someone that on there's is they're on it there's is they're wonderful they're often just they're just taken of online. yeah. well certainly the big onesin yeah. well certainly the big ones in the country, i actually had a who that was he's kind of learning work. buy a house, learning work. you buy a house, do up, flip it, sell it, move do it up, flip it, sell it, move on, you know, and that's all fine. but the this that new line of know, nice big of work, you know, nice big country and rent country house and you rent it out for week at a time in the out for a week at a time in the summer and wasn't until like the third or the fourth one. and it's neighbour to him it's neighbour said to him right, working us. right, it's not working for us. i trouble for staying in one right, it's not working for us. i these jble for staying in one right, it's not working for us. i these places. staying in one right, it's not working for us. i these places. yeah,|g in one right, it's not working for us. i these places. yeah, buli one right, it's not working for us. i these places. yeah, but not; of these places. yeah, but not cleaning microwave, the cleaning the microwave, the inside microwave, we, we inside of the microwave, we, we clean, very good cleaners, clean, we're very good cleaners, my and we haven't my wife and i, and we haven't clean the inside. and they send a big long letter and complain to us let's get a sheet of to us about let's get a sheet of foil pop that then do it foil and pop that in then do it for couple minutes. good, for a couple of minutes. good, good. oun for a couple of minutes. good, good. our, friends at good. finally our, friends at the daily star very quickly before, the break. it's absolutely crazy. it's going on

here. life of here. it's life saving of buffering pre gym, but not as we know too. i mean know it this this too. i mean i'm entirely sure what this i'm not entirely sure what this story is reading it not to lift my glasses up, but it's classic daily star to be honest they're talking gravity. talking about zero gravity. simon yeah. supposedly simon oh. okay yeah. supposedly but you can get boobs that can't be i think we've run out of time to give that the credit it needs that's the front page is coming up after the break we have got corbyn ritchie gary lineker and seven types of binge you won't want to miss it see you in a couple of minutes .

welcome to headline is with me simon evans and josh howie and paul cox . so tuesdays time we paul cox. so tuesdays time we kick off with corbyn saying he's going anywhere. well, no. so to me i must say sorry. something well, yeah, we all knew he

wasn't going anywhere anyway. jerry coleman, jeremy corbyn to run against labour independent lee he's going to be he's going to stopped isn't he. that's sorry. he's sorry. he's going . sorry. he's sorry. he's going. so you're referring to me. so i'm sorry. i he's going to he's going to be stopped by starmer. and, you know, if we thought humza yousaf was bad for the snp and all jezza is a disaster for the labour party and keir starmer as far as i'm concerned that the right things to sideline jeremy corbyn particularly given the hrc inquiry and the things that came out of that, that led him being sidelined he is in a difficult situation. isn't keir starmer in this regard? i mean, he's clearly very much made very clearly very much made a very clearly very much made a very clear for himself clear going forward for himself but there was a time in most people's memories when keir starmer wanted to corbyn starmer wanted jeremy to corbyn become minister. this become the prime minister. this report wholeheartedly . i report backs wholeheartedly. i understand, you know, that that is old game and there's is a funny old game and there's always some level of opportunism going on. there's also more problematically suppose you know, there may be millions of

people , hundreds of thousands people, hundreds of thousands who will legitimately think jeremy corbyn got extraordinarily close to theresa may here with a very the very powerfully assertive manifesto, long the complaints of antisemitism and so on, really, really came out and that and that since then starmer sort of drifted into red tory terror. i don't know. yeah. sorry. thankfully that they'd be right to say that in 2017. he did do very well. however, then the country got to see two years of jeremy corbyn and everything happened with brexit and all that round 2019. yeah, and was revealed to be what he is. yeah which is an anti—semite and i'll say that. and jeremy corbyn welcome to sue me. he won't, he . so anybody who's called an anti—semite gets him because he knows he'll lose . there's enough knows he'll lose. there's enough evidence . this is my evidence out there. this is my mastermind subject and i this is very clever of keir starmer to deal with the issue rather in

the later legally the nec then he's governing body of labour party is allowed to deal with people who they don't think are best for the party in terms of getting them elected. that the reason why they chosen to essentially deselect but what would happen if he were to send in his islington constituency as an independent ? he has won, an independent? he has won, i think for 12 elections on the he says he is pretty popular although he's getting on a bit you know they might find it might depend labour you know sticks up against but it's me and i'm declaring state out if he were to would be a he were to win would be a significant embarrassment to would that just be fine it's worth it it's one seat yeah i've had to having called in and the toxicity of far left a rationale that corbyn seat was the one that corbyn seat was the one that tilted the balance and created the coalition and. they made it dependent upon the kind of labour coalition. i think he will win , he will win and will win, he will win and i actually don't think he will win

, but that's just my view. but that's, you know, by the way, he hasn't definitive declared that he will be standing it's just friends of his will say that he will should retire like will and he should retire like a tyrant . frankly, he took labour tyrant. frankly, he took labour to the worst election it has since 1935. it just shows you to what rollercoaster those years where it was bizarre because 2017 people felt that he had it was what he did was better than what is expected it. i didn't think it was that he. no no that's and theresa may was absolutely appalling in a electioneering but the thing i'm interested in now, i suppose which hasn't been mentioned in this which of this book, which is sort of brewing beneath surface what brewing beneath the surface what rebecca long—bailey what about john mcdonnell are are john mcdonnell are these are they is he to bring in they is he likely to bring in take away a break see how take away a break can see how they the line all saying they toe the line all saying supposedly a couple there's supposedly a couple of there's been some breakaways already saying jeremy do this saying look jeremy don't do this right within that camp and starmer's tough and you know when they all sign this stop the war with the ukraine broke out basically sort of saying hey make peace with russia guys he just went you take your

just ensley went you take your signature off or you're of signature off or you're out of it. he's cool. i respect it. it. he's all cool. i respect it. i see him. they should elevate him to the house of lords would be thing they should be the first thing they should take message anyway. josh take this message anyway. josh metro case for metro are on rishi's case for doing we've all done. doing what we've all done. let's be honest, minutes in a black be honest, 5 minutes in a black cab. they ought to this all cab. they ought to do this all the oh the sun is the time. oh i no. the sun is right. yeah. rishi sunak ridicule for using geezer accent dunng ridicule for using geezer accent during a visit to essex and i've got a bubble cover . we're in got a bubble cover. we're in attack . see, we've had a pie attack. see, we've had a pie when i write. what's tough as a chef, finishing while poorly because he's actually a very human characteristic and not a bad one to try and sort of communicate. but craig, isn't it? also think with it? but also i think with cockney or whatever accent you want that is quite fun want to call that is quite fun to like that. yeah should to speak like that. yeah should we so flippant. a bit, we feel so flippant. i'm a bit, you know exactly . it's one thing you know exactly. it's one thing to go yorkshire and stuff with that then i always do feel a fraud. i do do it. i hear myself. if you're in, you go for a pint after a show. four or

five. you know, locals and pretty soon start hearing yourself know by the end of an intimate run. i've got i've got an american, i the accent that would be a good joke as excellent now i do feel that rishi is a slightly anxious nervous performer still is i think you've got to recognise by his own standards or what these stories set out , he's done very stories set out, he's done very well in his time. he has stabilised steadied and stabilised steadied and stabilised . well, i think he's stabilised. well, i think he's for me, his weakest card is weakest suit is . that kind of weakest suit is. that kind of front facing at the podium and with an audience. he comes across a bit a wannabe tony blair menacingly never get like bofis blair menacingly never get like boris johnson the geezer accent thing he would like he leans the other way into the pocket. yes yes. and unapologetic it you know, that's a really interesting because is stand up comedians we do generally into one two camps don't we either one or two camps don't we either authentic characters authentic selves or characters know our murray pub landlord actually modern history graduate

from you just yeah from oxford you just yeah i think i've always thought it's quite that the quite interesting that the character act is actually knows who he is more it's easier stand your ground. yeah yeah yeah. and so for instance if you a bit of band with an audience as a character, it's quite easy to come up with the perfect because you just think what was the problem. things are that problem. most things are that you way with more you know the way with more character. yeah i mean my character. yeah yeah i mean my character. yeah yeah i mean my character on is very much character on stage is very much an idiot i then it's not a character a mosquito to the face face move on to the telegraph next it's emerged more than 60% of transgender prisoners behind bars in scotland only began after they were locked up just. yes, so more than 60 said yes. this is just come out in the telegraph and. it turns out that 19 transgender prisoners are in study, 12 of whom which 63% record. yeah, they began that transition after they after that day of admission to the estate throwing unless any viewers have not picked up on the implicit

well the idea of course that it's well the idea of course that ifsingenuous. well the idea of course that it's ingenuous . and not real and it's ingenuous. and not real and five of that there are five i think there are five people at the moment. five men, biological men in women's prisons, four of them are there for violence not sexual violence. it's not always is there? that's the point of this. this there's no way that 60% of these men actually are transgender or have gender dysphoria. these criminals have. well, because they want to get to a women's and that we know society is only. what is it less than 1% of society is transgender. so what's the odds that most of are in scottish prisons? it is possible . i will prisons? it is possible. i will say this it is possible that they suffered and i hesitate to use the word suffer . the case of use the word suffer. the case of those who sexual offences. this can be that they were suffering from a degree unresolved, you know, sexual related mental illness beforehand , which they illness beforehand, which they have maybe conceivably lunged at idea that maybe they were trans because that is becoming of a

fairly of, you know, default lie for all for people who feel that they can't understand themselves at the moment, which really available way they should available either way they should not be going in sharing spaces with women. this is with women. so this is incredible and disgusting that . incredible and disgusting that. this has happened in scotland and has blown this thing. and has blown this whole thing. let's go . and everybody let's go. and then everybody still it's such still says, oh, it's such a culture issue. it's only one person. oh well, then drop it, drop go to where we were. if drop it, go to where we were. if it's a, you know, these people to say a culture issue to say it's a culture war issue that should distracted by that we should get distracted by neven that we should get distracted by never, concede the never, want to concede the ground. want to ground. they never want to concede the point. they want you to concede the point so that they just win conflict they can just win the conflict or on to the next outrage. or move on to the next outrage. that's what that's common sense. that's what happens tuesday straight happens on tuesday straight email. paul, and this is an email. now, paul, and this is an utterly idea. what a of utterly rubbish idea. what a of rubbish. yes, it is a mad. i mean it really this really did make my blood and blood pressure rise a little bit. we waste plans that see uk households have many as seven diff bins . have many as seven diff bins. this is the this is the talking

about paper cardboard , plastic, about paper cardboard, plastic, glass and garden waste in bins. paper cardboard separate. yes in separate . so seven different. i separate. so seven different. i mean, i pay greater than 2000 so that help gardening gloves the two colours are the same now ask three have all got houses like that but most of the most of the country an ugly house is all tidy, but i've got i've got that dormer window on the top. and i have to ask mrs. klara if i comparison you, i noticed that they got through a lot so we have another look at that graphic. sorry, i notice they go through awful lot of through an awful lot of saucepans metal saucepans that. we metal recyclables. mind i know recyclables. never mind i know but the idea it's going to but the idea is it's going to cost million. yeah, it's, cost 500 million. yeah, it's, it's that's not even fully to it. and of course you're going to have the extra vat, you know , trucks driving as well. , trucks driving around as well. but no there go. but there's no there we go. look, look, saucepans look, look, all the saucepans i go full saucepans my, my go to full saucepans my, my observation is that there's

already nothing like consensus as to how to do this. already nothing like consensus as to how to do this . my parents as to how to do this. my parents live in norfolk. they have coloured bins outside their kitchen, back door, and they are religiously devout to correctly apportioning their waste to them. and then my dad has a compost in the back garden and he gets furious so much as a tea bag finds its into the non—recyclable . but william and non—recyclable. but william and we don't have any bins, we just have massive shared communal wheelie . sometimes as much as wheelie. sometimes as much as metres from your house. i have to walk out in the weathers with the kitchen bin liner until i find the nearest one. and sometimes it's full and find the next one. you don't have any unless you pay for a garden waste and you've got waste bin. and then you've got to arrangement with the to sort of arrangement with the council. think is council. and i think this is what the government put through a law year to standardise this across this is across country. and this is they're saying only they they're saying the only they can do by creating this do this is by creating this system. standardised system. i think standardised might good idea, although might be a good idea, although obviously know, are obviously you know, there are different having obviously you know, there are diffeallt having obviously you know, there are diffe all the having obviously you know, there are diffe all the rest having obviously you know, there are diffeall the rest it. having obviously you know, there are diffeall the rest it. butiving obviously you know, there are diffeall the rest it. but that and all the rest of it. but that i going to do that ain't going to dog go get your point

to fly my dog go get your point break but we'll be back afterwards with a population paul and obsessive spoon lucy dreams. don't go away boy .

switch welcome back to headline news guardian to kick off the second half or third quarter, we have tuesday's guardian. and it turns out the population bomb may be more of a population cushion. exactly well, population, bob, may never go off as feared. study finds kelso pre simon bowen only rodney because you know this is this is just on the back of a number of i mean this actually i think the population bomb was a book by dr. paul elrich which was in

1968 in which it's been spoken a lot recently in which he said by the end of the seventies because overpopulation the world would starve and we find out there will be hundreds of millions of people dead. we have basically maze well write off it's too late to save in there's no way extraordinary . and you know, extraordinary. and you know, what we found is very organisation who've come up with what we found is very orgalatest»n who've come up with what we found is very orgalatest surveyve come up with what we found is very orgalatest survey is come up with what we found is very orgalatest survey is the|e up with what we found is very orgalatest survey is the club with this latest survey is the club of rome who first produced a report called the limits of growth. i think around that same time, earlier, which time, maybe even earlier, which another was just another one which was just absolutely wild , way off , absolutely wild, way off, probably one the people that are predicting ice age during the eighties mean this 55 years later and. we're now saying that's unlikely to happen and everyone's fat. yeah so there has been no starving no i mean there has been technological advances in agriculture in in order for power, blah, blah . order for power, blah, blah. there's been a lot of advances which have confounded what might have been their modelling , but have been their modelling, but there have been there there always have been and there always will knows? well, always will be. who knows? well, maybe day they will factor maybe one day they will factor in their factoring into

in and what their factoring into this which it this study, which makes it somewhat, if as the somewhat, is if as the developing world gets gets money, becomes more educated , money, becomes more educated, then they're going to have less kids. and that so that's more and more importantly that the more that's invested in that part of the world and i think you remember constant chris constantine. yeah. jesus yeah. he did that speech at the oxford recently where he basically said thatis recently where he basically said that is that if, you know, indians don't about their the biggest polluters and they want to feed their kids , give them to feed their kids, give them lives. yeah, exactly . the lives. yeah, exactly. the quicker that we can make those lives or help. well, currently even india is below replacement level , amazingly below almost level, amazingly below almost every of all the places that ten years ago were causing fear and consternation. central america, the open border, india . across the open border, india. across mexico, right down i think mexico, they right down i think they may be around to point to they may be around to point to the only part of the world where they were still above replacement level. fertility is sub—saharan that sub—saharan africa and that is possibly kind of possibly still a kind of a mindset came from an area mindset that came from an area when your children would be

lucky to make it. but it was just to say that i read a thing about how they find it very difficult to get contraception the women in and sub—saharan that's where all of that is going to be aimed. but yet, of course, the team with the with the club of rome, they see this as entirely a good thing, right. he's easing off pressure, but they really addressing they aren't really addressing themselves an themselves to the problem of an ageing if we ageing population. no so if we don't continue to have kids then got a different problem. we seem to incredibly brilliant at to be incredibly brilliant at looking past history looking back at the past history of things know and of things we know and criticising and blaming us criticising it and blaming us for every time anyone's for all it every time anyone's also further two days in also look further two days in the future they it wrong the future they get it wrong every time and i mean, every single time and i mean, these people are well—heeled, you know, wealthy, clever. it's crazy for their efforts. the club of rome is not some bunch of guys that had a brazen no record . all it was stuffy right record. all it was stuffy right up until tuesday smell surely we have now found a candidate my

favourite progressive criminal sentencing indeed such musician 41 faces court bid to halt his obsessive sperm donation amid claims has misled women on his way to fathering 550 children around the world. now he has called jonathan jacob major , or called jonathan jacob major, or as i call him, daddy. called jonathan jacob major, or as i call him, daddy . and yes, as i call him, daddy. and yes, he's missed that hundreds of women all across the world. one of these women has taken him to court after finding out that he'd had like more than 100. yeah supposed to limited to 25 when that. well yeah. when you sign these forms or whatever and she's a she's worried she's but she's a she's worried about the consequence this is hard for her child and that's the bit i didn't really understand. well incest. yeah right. well if there's 550 but if it's all around the world it's pretty unlikely. yeah. incest is the very reason they stop at 25 like. yeah, i mean he did ten different clinics within the netherlands themselves. i mean in about 25 years time that part of europe's going to look like royal families from the middle ages they're all going to go to these crazy just like oh

king looked exactly like tsar nicholas. exactly. i mean , i do nicholas. exactly. i mean, i do wonder whether, as you say , 550 wonder whether, as you say, 550 split. i suppose it's a bit like parkinson's when they go you can only park 2 hours, then you've got find the next parkinson's got to find the next parkinson's . you start is if you get . so you can start is if you get far, away that you far, far enough away that you will. if they're not registered in any way. yeah. how on earth you know that your daughter is not married owing her brother in 25 years time? you don't know there's been cases this in the past and there's a netflix it escapes me then i'm trying to think but there's think of it but there's a document netflix documentary where exactly happened these where exactly happened and these people kept out of the people just kept out of the woodwork and went and i now oh yeah that was who's a fertility doctor. yeah, yeah, yeah. but yes guy definitely yes but this guy is definitely like genghis khan is funding. yeah what he's driven yeah i wonder what he's driven by he doesn't look when by because he doesn't look when i've these pictures he's i've seen these pictures he's he's not particularly he's is not particularly handsome. doesn't handsome. he doesn't look like particularly man. particularly like a ladies man. you mean, he you know what? i mean, he doesn't like some kind doesn't look like some kind of lounge lizard. he the lounge lizard. i think he the process yeah but does he but

process so yeah but does he but he doesn't he's not having sex with him. i don't know. i don't know. don't think he's. no know. i don't think he's. no he's definitely doing it. he's definitely he's doing it. there you must there is something you must obviously become some kind i obviously become some kind of i mean word doesn't to on mean word doesn't seem to be on reasonably presumably reasonably it's not presumably is profitable is not incredibly profitable don't you're seeing don't know how you're seeing someone kids so yeah someone with five kids so yeah he hasn't got look after any of that talking maybe that he's talking about maybe he's offering to have a cup he's you offering to have a cup of tea your this coming down anyway with the daily mail anyway stick with the daily mail mental poland. it seems mental health poland. it seems like people do like bipolar people really do burn both. burn the candle at both. it sounds like doesn't. having sounds like it doesn't. having a mental could taking mental illness could be taking an even greater physical on your body the more previously . and body the more previously. and this is after a study shows someone with bipolar is genetically kind , two years genetically kind, two years older as a result. now don't think it's huge news to say that people mental illnesses are feeling the strain a lot more. yeah, because when you've got a mental illness and you know, 99% of people have got a form of mental illness at some point in their the toll of their lives, know the toll of life is taken at some point. you know, it's not you're eating

healthily eat, you don't exercise. and worry and you worry and you know, the thing about mental illness, i think is often missed is a lot of it is worry and anxiety , isn't it? worry and anxiety, isn't it? because you're aware that something isn't right and then and that might in and then and that might in itself necessarily be ageing itself not necessarily be ageing . i it's the strain of . i think it's the strain of coping with it rather than the thing itself. if that doesn't, i mean , i know i feel sane. yeah mean, i know i feel sane. yeah yeah.in mean, i know i feel sane. yeah yeah. in but but the thing is so yeah. in but but the thing is so yeah different someone with bipolar like they're saying that because that you know they can now take those cells and they can out that they're like ageing cells so that of yeah yeah. cells so that kind of yeah yeah. how quickly so there are two how quickly. so there are two people with bipolar like two years but depression like years older, but depression like a year anxiety is 0.7 years. but i that is very interesting i that this is very interesting but i wonder maybe they but i wonder if maybe they shouldn't have published it because reading this and because if you reading this and you do have depression, you live in life two years. oh well on in my life two years. oh well on that basis let's move on to the kitchen today's guardian and if your mind feels full you might

benefit from mindfulness indeed mindfulness better than cbt for treating depression finds it's quite interesting so mindfulness is sort of essentially is a bit of meditation and also sort of living in the now do if anyone's read the power of now eckhart tolle fantastic book and the idea is that you read this people were given the self—help book for eight weeks and then six sort of consultant episodes with a counsellor sessions as opposed to the usual i you get 16 just normal therapy cbt yes cbt and it had a 17% increase. the improvement people's mental health in terms of bring about depression so and also it's a lot cheaper the nhs the thing that i find interesting about this that i don't know great this is that i don't know great deal about it but i know a little bit my wife had a little bit of post—natal depression and cbt read couple of cbt and i've read couple of ruby waxes ruby has waxes books. ruby has made herself a a authority on herself a bit of a authority on this. she's written or six this. she's written five or six books, acclaimed and by books, highly acclaimed and by people what they're people who know what they're talking about, about mindfulness, cbt as a sort of 0 type. they're not far

type. they're not very far apart. and the point . apart. and that's the point. mindfulness you say, a mindfulness is, as you say, a kind waking meditation, of kind waking meditation, kind of walking everyday meditation, just being aware the present moment staying in it. cb moment and staying in it. cb t is basically about being aware of your thoughts and spotting when going into a negative spiral that won't get you anywhere useful and just anywhere very useful and just recognise your your recognise when your your thoughts becoming self thoughts are becoming self reinforcing that reinforcing catastrophizing that they're pretty similar kind of mind like they're mind. it's not like they're saying mindfulness is better than which think , you than prozac, which i think, you know, a good know, is definitely a good message . well, but these two message. well, but these two things common. i think things are quite common. i think it's like it's like cbt, but the mindfulness element is adding adding the discussion. so adding it to the discussion. so you these and it's, you have these book and it's, i think it's the two together that seem work well, i do seem to work better. well, i do think there's something it i think there's something it i think mindfulness great if think mindfulness is great if you try to do i've tried it all i've had two sessions of two i've had two sessions of cbt two six week actually the six week session actually the nhs away freely at the nhs give it away freely at the moment that's it used a lot right. but find right. but didn't find it particularly useful. think particularly useful. don't think it for everyone. it draws it works for everyone. it draws your certain your attention to certain techniques, which great techniques, which is great mindfulness. other hand mindfulness. on the other hand

really lot. find really helps a lot. i find particularly, you know , if particularly, you know, if you're walking if you're you're out walking or if you're writing whatever do writing or whatever you do dunng writing or whatever you do during , if can just during your day, if you can just focus moment in time, focus on that moment in time, you know, i feel a lot better for there was a very for it. there was a very interesting infographic saw interesting infographic i saw came out about six months ago, a relation to a big matter study that that human were that showed that human were happiest when they were what they were doing , regardless of they were doing, regardless of whether it was something they wanted be doing or not. they wanted to be doing or not. they were they were were happier if they were painting the potatoes, but at least concentrating on the potato isn't it? potato distraction, isn't it? yeah. they were. if they yeah. then they were. if they were doing something, they might think thing. we're think as a nice thing. but we're actually their was actually like their mind was elsewhere. concentration actually like their mind was elsewhere. startconcentration actually like their mind was elsewhere. start cbtantration actually like their mind was elsewhere. start cbt afterion and did you start cbt after starting here, right? yes okay. one more before the end of the section. we have tuesdays times paul section. we have tuesdays times paul. and is this life or is this just fantasy? can really choose what dream about this is lucid dreaming now question for you about have you ever lucid dream i've done it. i do remember it and it was an extraordinary but not credible. i dreamed was on television . the

i dreamed was on television. the you are red lights. i don't think i have. there is one dream where knew i was flying and i thought, wow is cool. i'll fly over there. but i don't know if that was a lucid dream. however it's incredible. i mean, that they're bringing the bringing some into this actually as part of this story they're talking one of the one of the people involved was saying was it because had been given lsd, they didn't quite believe it. you know, i'm sure microdosing mushrooms something mushrooms or something could induce this nature. mushrooms or something could indlite this nature. mushrooms or something could indlit is this nature. mushrooms or something could indlit is truly this nature. mushrooms or something could indlit is truly a this nature. mushrooms or something could indlit is truly a phenomenonjre. mushrooms or something could indlit is truly a phenomenon and but it is truly a phenomenon and things do happen. there's comedian david greene. i don't know if he's still a comedian. there's a call i used to take years ago. i've on his instagram. is he but i think he's making a living at this now drawing in his dreams and selling those drawings. wow that's haven't that's interesting. i haven't heard my only heard of that. my only experience of that one time was i amazing afterwards live i felt amazing afterwards live that the whole rest that for the whole of the rest of that and indeed a couple of days afterwards. and i hadn't even when even like directed my when you're you're way

you're lucid dreaming you're way you're lucid dreaming you're way you're in a dream and you can choose to live out fantasies or whatever. i hadn't directed whatever. but i hadn't directed it like lived out any kind it into like lived out any kind of cherished. i just had of long cherished. i just had i did know, and did fly a bit, you know, and i do do have sort of flying do i do have sort of flying dreams sometimes, but they're always in the air. always like walking in the air. i'm of like, and i'm i'm not of like, yeah. and i'm almost kind of like, like a like you might be when you scuba dive, you know, panting dive, you know, sort of panting about wonderful feeling about it's a wonderful feeling though, just being aware though, even just being aware that possibly. that you've dreamt possibly. i think is quite good think is like, quite good because wake up because sometimes you wake up and think just and you just think of just laying kind of could you not laying bed kind of could you not have lucid dream that have a lucid dream that forgotten about? is that impossible? was that. no, that is think. maybe is the rule, i think. but maybe we've can still remember we've all i can still remember one it was 20 years ago, i think they most have maybe they that most people have maybe one life. yep anyway, one in their life. yep anyway, last now us in a couple of last break now us in a couple of moments don't drop to sleep and try lucid dreaming. we'll in moments don't drop to sleep and trminutes reaming. we'll in moments don't drop to sleep and trminutes withing. we'll in moments don't drop to sleep and trminutes with singlee'll in moments don't drop to sleep and trminutes with single rings in moments don't drop to sleep and trminutes with single rings ,in 2 minutes with single rings, lost dating apps and lost cats on dating apps and true sight to behold the pope in, a pufferjacket. we'll see you in a couple of minutes.

and welcome back to headline . as and welcome back to headline. as for our final quarter, we begin with the mirror and this police chief has an unusual for fighting crime. sure does colombia's top police chief says he uses exorcism religious rituals to fight crime . this is rituals to fight crime. this is general henry sanabria and he supposedly caught pablo escobar . he's like he's like loads of people. he's like he's caught by the head of the fourth leader, alfonso cano. and he's basically putting it down to his religious beliefs. yeah. and just like actors do on oscars night and yeah. he's just about to thank god for bringing pablo escobar a machine gun. he says, though quite specifically, he believes in the devil, which is that's a little bit stronger, isn't it? he's seen the devil as the

devil. he's witnessed the devil. i don't know whether he means going into certain sort of drug dens or whatever, he in the dens or whatever, but he in the devil a physical like an devil as a physical like an operator and i think with agency in real well we in the real world. well we should clear that wasn't should be clear that it wasn't black got a couple of black magic that got a couple of escobar it was eight colombians with big guns wasn't i was you know the chocolates them black magic that they collect the secrets a lot of those outside for the money. would you like what a lot of his. they were agents of god . they were agents agents of god. they were agents of god. if know i'm of god. if you know what, i'm going to up how they caught going to look up how they caught him. seen the him. have you ever seen the photograph when they caught? photograph of when they caught? it's tools to it's just they're just tools to train. all the guys that train. and all the guys that shot and he's like, wow, i was terrible. i know it's going to be 5:00 the morning when be 5:00 in the morning when someone but is someone else says this, but is a dead laying on rubble and dead guy laying on rubble and they just all stood around him, their up, like having their thumbs up, like having a with so he was just with him. he was so he was just like so the cash in jungle like so much the cash in jungle wasn't it was just being wasn't that it was just being eaten by insects and stuff. wasn't that it was just being eaten yeah.;ects and stuff. wasn't that it was just being eaten yeah. but. and stuff. wasn't that it was just being eaten yeah. but it'sj stuff. wasn't that it was just being eaten yeah. but it's like ff. yeah. yeah. but it's like rotting. it's just rotting. rotting. yeah it's just rotting. heaps of cash, credible and credible. mean you're

heaps of cash, credible and credibto mean you're heaps of cash, credible and credibto be mean you're heaps of cash, credible and credibto be the mean you're heaps of cash, credible and credibto be the devil, you're heaps of cash, credible and credibto be the devil, i you're heaps of cash, credible and credibto be the devil, i suppose going to be the devil, i suppose would be quite a you know i is good with it. yeah yeah. i think he's a traditionalist. but he said women's said on international women's day, charm a day, he said the charm of a woman makes husband happy. and if she is sensible, she makes him discreet woman as him prosper. a discreet woman as a the lord, which a gift from the lord, which that's hinge profile, i that's on his hinge profile, i think this is from the think he based. this is from the daily mail and this british woman blatantly harrow phobic woman is blatantly harrow phobic . here go. a woman's . well, here we go. a woman's this is to this speaks to me. this does a woman's a woman sparked a debate after revealing she struggles connect with she struggles to connect with colleagues privately colleagues who were privately educated . tell about it. you educated. tell me about it. you were probably educated just don't know. i don't know what you're talking about. so absolutely no idea what ideally saying these may come on my level needs to learn like level she needs to learn like rishi sunak just to bring . yeah. rishi sunak just to bring. yeah. yeah, exactly. so i mean, we educated. i was not i went to universal city to study law and suddenly found myself completely surrounded by else, was surrounded by everyone else, was privately educated and i did sort of adopt the mode as best i could . the opposite. i to my uni

could. the opposite. i to my uni i went to goldsmiths having been promoted . i went yes, i did go promoted. i went yes, i did go to private school and then that's why was like, oh, i'm a, you know . and it was like a sort you know. and it was like a sort of thing of shame. but i do. i'm an amateur. jamie oliver kind of approach it. yeah, exactly. the only thing. but i do agree with her and is a sense of her and there is a sense of entitlement that you get from pubuc entitlement that you get from public and public school and privilege and all stuff and you know, all that stuff and you know, having years working the having 20 years working in the comedy is beating that comedy industry is beating that out you you know sorry out makes you you know sorry some interestingly do you ever feel it the way do you feel it the way around do you ever there's like this ever think there's like this comprehensive school kind comprehensive in school kind of mentality can't mentality that you just can't ingratiate yourself with? look at me think, oh , just at me and think, oh, i just can't my don't even think can't have my i don't even think about you . i think maybe i think about you. i think maybe i think three or four years ago there was definitely there was more of gulf terms of opportunity and gulf in terms of opportunity and stuff. will say this, i do stuff. i will say this, i do absolutely this because my absolutely know this because my kids to private kids have gone to private school. it has remained quite a bitter dispute between bitter source of dispute between my wife and i. but they went anyway i've become aware , anyway and i've become aware, you know, it's actually i know

this sounds ridiculous pleading, but quite literally but it is quite literally a disadvantage if you if you emerged from comprehensive school and private school, two identical children the same identical children with the same grades, comprehensive child identical children with the same grad be comprehensive child identical children with the same grad be offered nprehensive child identical children with the same gradbe offered much�*nsive child identical children with the same grad be offered much better:hild will be offered much better university far more university offers now far more likely to get into into oxford and cambridge likely to and cambridge far more likely to get for two bs and a c from get on for two bs and a c from russell universities. russell group universities. i mean reasonable because mean may be reasonable because they're to if you've paid they're trying to if you've paid quarter of a million quid for a child through private school, you believe you presumably believe that it will their grades. if you will boost their grades. if you don't that you're a don't believe, that you're a monarch. do monarch. right. why would you do that? thought that i got that? well i thought that i got from private school. is this kind of possibility? yeah. like in you're surrounded in you're you're surrounded by a lot wealth you see these lot of wealth and you see these people you think, oh people around and you think, oh yeah, do stuff. know, yeah, i could do stuff. know, even don't on holiday even if i don't go on holiday with them, we've got to move on quickly. got the daily quickly. we've got the daily flashing. seems to be flashing. your ring seems to be the to get ahead now. so people are wearing singles rings, single others no, they're single other, others no, they're on market now. this seems to on the market now. this seems to be one of those adverts that's on pair ring for like 20 on called pair ring for like 20 quid. and as this quid. you wear it and as this article though points why is

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this is going to come at time very .we're not going to very quickly. we're not going to trust they can do your trust to they can do with your voice well a fella voice as well there's a fella sharing video made online sharing a video made online of kenya lyrics he's kenya singing some lyrics he's written kenya own woes and written about kenya own woes and it just anyone i mean i'm on it just to anyone i mean i'm on expert even here this expert i'm not even here this show is nearly over let's take another quick look at tuesday's front pages the daily mail crack down on nuisance airbnb party. ours is the guardian , lawrence. ours is the guardian, lawrence. i was betrayed . the daily mail, i was betrayed. the daily mail, the telegraph early is to blame for high rates of inflation. it said the times evict rowdy in two weeks. the daily star it's life saving boffins , jim, but life saving boffins, jim, but not as we know it. space the key to beating us diseases. that was the one story that managed with veto penetrating analysis really this evening . that's all for our this evening. that's all for our show tonight. thank to my guest, josh howie and paul cox . i will josh howie and paul cox. i will be with headliners again be back with headliners again tomorrow at 11 with leo kearse and roger monkhouse, another very strong up. remember that if you're watching the 5 am. repeat stage for the breakfast show, just after the break. otherwise it's been an absolute

pleasure speaking to simon evans. thank you so much goodnight .

hollyrood on collision course with westminster as humza yousaf prepares to become scotland's first minister. good morning at 6:00. it's tuesday , the 28th of 6:00. it's tuesday, the 28th of march. this is breakfast on gb news with eamonn and his pal. thank you for your company. leading our news, the morning, the new leader of the snp has vowed to resurrect the controversial gender reforms that brought on nicola sturgeon as he prepares to be formally confirmed as scotland's new first the pledge puts first minister. the pledge puts him on course for a legal clash

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