log on michelle dewberry. and this is dewbs& c0 net zero if you like this is dewbs& co net zero if you like those two words, you'll be very happy tonight because after being taken to court, the government has issued a lot more detail. i think there's about a thousand pages of it all about net zero and how on earth we're actually going to get there. it's got me thinking after it was criticised that apparently it uk standing as it removes the uk standing as a leader when it comes to climate change. why is it our job to lead on this issue? and what about if you are one of those that are a little bit sceptical and perhaps can't even afford some of these measures? should

we able to opt if we want we be able to opt out if we want to not? and shoplifting? to or not? and shoplifting? are you bit of it? you partially to a bit of it? yes. you perhaps you do scam pretty everything that goes pretty much everything that goes through your self checkout. if some talking because the through your self checkout. if sonis talking because the through your self checkout. if sonis talki apparentlercause the through your self checkout. if sonis talki apparently the use the through your self checkout. if sonis talki apparently the west|e through your self checkout. if sonis talki apparently the west in uk is now apparently the west in europe when it comes to this issue , many people saying it issue, many people saying it needs taken more needs to be taken more seriously, does it? i mean, when you look at the fact we've got so many crimes now, where is shoplifting on list and how shoplifting on the list and how much actually expect much would you actually expect as assistant who often as a store assistant who often gets minimum wage, by the way, to put themselves in the way of it? your thoughts on that and a topic which one of my panellists tonight has told me shouldn't tonight has told me i shouldn't be because in his be focusing on, because in his words, important words, there's more important things well, beg to things going on. well, i beg to differ . we have a generation of differ. we have a generation of children that are being fed a very dangerous ideological nonsense , which, if you ask me, nonsense, which, if you ask me, setting them up to a mental health failure and parents are being excluded from the goings on at the schools when it comes to the matter. so ignore it. not on my watch. thank you very

much. well, i've it all and more in just a few minutes after we've brought ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headunes speed with tonight's latest headlines brought to you by polly middlehurst . michelle, polly middlehurst. michelle, thank you and good evening to you.the thank you and good evening to you. the top story on gb news tonight. the white house has within the last hour issued a statement saying that us citizens residing in or travelling to russia should depart immediately. they also say the targeting of american citizens by the russian government is unacceptable . that government is unacceptable. that comes as an american reporter working for the wall street journal has been arrested in russia on suspicion of spying for washington. evan gersh breivik pleaded not guilty dunng breivik pleaded not guilty during his court appearance, according to state owned media, but the court ruled kerkovich could be held in custody until the end of may . also in the news the end of may. also in the news today, a man has been found guilty of the murder of a nine year old girl who was shot in

liverpool last year . olivia liverpool last year. olivia pratt corbell was murdered in her own home last august and her mother was also injured in the attack . merseyside police has attack. merseyside police has released cctv footage of the moment. thomas cashman chased a convicted drug dealer towards miss cabello's home. olivia was killed just moments later. the jury killed just moments later. the jury at manchester crown court also found the 34 year old guilty of the attempted murder of joseph nee and the chief constable of merseyside police, serena kennedy said the investigation is still ongoing for the person responsible for olivia's murder. thomas cashman to justice. i know that will never bring olivia back, but hopefully the family will get some small comfort in knowing the person that took their daughter away from them is now behind bars. we are still hunting down those people who enabled that murder to take place , who supplied the gun , place, who supplied the gun, where the guns and we will carry

on until we identify those people responsible . king charles people responsible. king charles visited a nato military base dunng visited a nato military base during his historic state visit to germany today . king charles to germany today. king charles met with the deputy head of the german british battalion and other military personnel from the unit. he also spoke with ukraine and refugees, telling them, i'm praying for you as he condemned what he called the unarmed , actionable suffering unarmed, actionable suffering caused by russia's invasion of their homeland . while earlier, their homeland. while earlier, king charles became the first british monarch to address the german parliament. speaking to politicians in both english and german , he celebrated the german, he celebrated the special bond between the two countries. the united kingdom and germany , together providing and germany, together providing leadership to secure our shared future . today, the united future. today, the united kingdom and germany are europe's two largest produce as a power from offshore wind . these from offshore wind. these innovations are vital in combating the existing challenge

of climate change and global warming , of climate change and global warming, which of climate change and global warming , which confronts us all. warming, which confronts us all. his majesty the king. now the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has announced his party will freeze council tax bills this year. freeze council tax bills this year . he freeze council tax bills this year. he unveiled the pledge at the launch of labour's local election campaign in swindon. the move will be funded, he says, by a windfall tax on the profits of oil and gas companies .labour profits of oil and gas companies . labour would freeze council tax next year. using using that windfall tax that hasn't been collected . yes, you heard it collected. yes, you heard it right. not a penny. more on your council tax. they'll take penny more than the bill you paid last yeah more than the bill you paid last year. a vat is a tax cut for the 99% of working people compared with a tax . for compared with with a tax. for compared with the tax cut for the richest 1% that we get under the tories . that we get under the tories. police say two men who were shot

deadin police say two men who were shot dead in cambridgeshire last night were father and son. the force has arrested three people on suspicion of conspiracy to murder, saying the incidents which happened in sutton and blunt masham were linked and targeted . the force has also targeted. the force has also recovered a firearm and is now working to establish whether it was legally owned . the notorious was legally owned. the notorious prisoner, charles bronson, has lost a parole board bid to be freed from jail . bronson, who freed from jail. bronson, who changed his surname to salvador in 2014, is one of the longest serving prisoners in uk history. the parole board said it wasn't satisfied that mr. salvador was suitable for release, jailed when he was 22 years old, he spent most of the last 48 years in isolation while in custody and his son, george bamby, told gb news earlier they have accepted the decision . the duke accepted the decision. the duke of sussex has left the high court in london as the final day of the privacy hearing against

the daily mail publisher comes to an end. harry and other celebrities, including sir elton john, have accused associate newspapers of unlawfully gathering their private information . the publisher information. the publisher denies the allegation and says the legal challenges have been brought far too late . and brought far too late. and lastly, nine people have been killed in a crash involving two army helicopters in the united states. the vehicles were attending a routine training mission over the state of kentucky. they were operated by the 101st airborne division with five soldiers on one helicopter and four on the other. that's the news. i'm back in an hour. now back to . now back to. michelle thanks for that, polly, but i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight.

keeping me company in the studio. what a treat for me . studio. what a treat for me. daniel moylan is the tory life peerin daniel moylan is the tory life peer in the house of lords and kevin craig is the direct. well, you're not the director says director, you're not your modem director. you the founder of the show, thelma , you still have show, thelma, you still have great people . good job. our pay great people. good job. our pay attention is not just rate cute. matt says michelle, i love your energy and infuses awesome today. well i'm really pleased you picked up on that because i've got to say, i'm not feeling very well at all. hot, wet. so that's been a really bad headache. i'm handling it headache. so i'm handling it well. told you all well. i was until i told you all about anyway. you the about it anyway. you know, the drill over. it's just drill is over. it's not just about three here. about those three here. it's very much about you at home as well. what do you make of the goings on of the day? get in touch gb that gb news dot touch gb views that gb news dot uk can tweet me at gb uk or you can tweet me at gb news. you in the news. did you see in the headunes news. did you see in the headlines just by the way, that charles bronson, he's not getting prison any time getting out of prison any time soon. you think that's the soon. do you think that's the right decision? some right decision? there'll be some people at home that sit there, be saying, shouting screens. he

should now. people can should be out by now. people can rehabilitate themselves. are you one them you think the one of them or do you think the country is a little safer country is a little bit safer with still behind bars and with him still behind bars and all weird going almost. by all that weird going almost. by the seen a lot about the way, we've seen a lot about a son that's not even really is all about the army. anyway, give me that's me your thoughts. that's the email the screen as email address on the screen as usual, gbviews@gbnews.uk is how you me. now, if you can get hold of me. now, if you're someone that's into the whole thing. today is whole net zero thing. today is an exciting you. i hope an exciting day for you. i hope you've cancelled plans you've cancelled all your plans for tonight perhaps even for tonight and perhaps even into the weekend too, because lots plans have come lots of plans have come out today. lots of plans have come out today . apparently energy today. apparently it's an energy revolution and it's going to power up. britain there's about a thousand pages of this kind of content. so i must confess, i've not read all pages, but not read all 1000 pages, but i will. i will definitely on my list . this is all come will. i will definitely on my list. this is all come about because there was a high court challenge essentially, which said the government said that the government wasn't really into really giving enough detail into a lot of its plans. really giving enough detail into a lot of its plans . well, detail a lot of its plans. well, detail we have it's got lots of different measures in them. your thoughts on it overall , thoughts on it overall, danielle? well, i think that , danielle? well, i think that, you know, it depends what you're

trying to aim at. if you want cheap and abundant energy that is secure, which is what i think most people want for their families, then this isn't quite the place. look, this is a plan for how we're going to get to net zero and the energy costs are going to be higher. net zero and the energy costs are going to be higher . at the are going to be higher. at the moment, security is still very, very unclear because it's true. you have lots of wind farms and lots of solar. but when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining, you need a huge amount of backup. electricity supply , of backup. electricity supply, maybe in batteries, maybe in hydro electric to back it up. and we haven't seen, i think, enough detail on that. have you read all thousand the page? no, i'm proud to say i have not read all the thousand pages. i'm in your place, elaine. let's oh, my god. i must say i'm going. well, i mean, same place as you, michelle says. i've never been called alone . and all i have set called alone. and all i have set aside for the easter holidays. i can't think of you that . what can't think of you that. what are you going to be doing? we always will. we're getting over my hopefully next time

my holidays. hopefully next time when i'm back you'll be when i'm back here, you'll be able quiz me. i will. all the able to quiz me. i will. all the detail. i will. i able to quiz me. i will. all the detail. iwill. i i'm able to quiz me. i will. all the detail. i will. i i'm sitting detail. iwill. i i'm sitting here now. i should be thinking about zero, but about net zero, but i'm wondering is the who's who? wondering who is the who's who? it's all daniels mind. you have to tell me the break. know to tell me in the break. know this new lady has not saying it on air. i think michelle is you know, he's very busy this know, he's been very busy this week in the house of week rebelling in the house of lords voting yes on lords and voting yes on government while rebel moylan lords and voting yes on goverrofent while rebel moylan lords and voting yes on goverrof that/hile rebel moylan lords and voting yes on goverrof that rebeltebel moylan lords and voting yes on goverrof that rebel in»el moylan lords and voting yes on goverrof that rebel in the roylan proud of that rebel in the history books. i'm in the history books. i'm in the history books. i'm in the history books now. voted history books now. i voted against windsor framework . against the windsor framework. when against your when you vote against your party, do you get any stick for it from the past? know their charm ? do people talk ? charm? do people not talk? conservatives are lovely , conservatives are lovely, absolutely lovely. they'd never do a thing like that. but you say only in the labour party where if they don't agree with you like poorjeremy corbyn, they ban after a lifetime of they ban you after a lifetime of service to the party. they ban you from being even applied to be candidate. that's the be a candidate. that's the viciousness as you see. you see when you go among socialists, you that amongst you never get that amongst tories. i was worried. tories. why? i was worried. michelle about daniel calling

you a lion. is that because what happensin you a lion. is that because what happens in house of commons happens in the house of commons is the tory mp start is all the tory mp start roughing each and roughing each other up and having scuffles fights having scuffles and fights flying into the lobbies like we saw last year. so i was worried that daniel had been roughed up for voting against but for voting against rishi, but apparently not. that was. i saw the claims coming . what was the the claims coming. what was the vote? that the vote was the vote? that was the vote was the brexit wasn't yeah. and brexit one wasn't it. yeah. and they they'd be they said that they'd be manhandled is their manhandled if that is their definition manhandled definition of manhandled they need themselves on need to get themselves out on a night in home. they wouldn't night out in home. they wouldn't know home if that's know what hit home if that's their of it. anyway, their definition of it. anyway, i go on, sarah. well, i digress. go on, sarah. well, i just think today's is quite important. an by important. it's an attempt by daniels party to try and move this on. there are some i haven't read thousand all pages. i've seen i've read i've read some detailed summary. so some of it's very good. it's moving things in the right direction in terms insulation of terms of better insulation of homes. there's nothing homes. however there's nothing in there about us being able to produce more onshore wind in our country . it's very interesting country. it's very interesting what daniel just said about when the wind doesn't blowing the sun doesn't shine. but earlier

today, over half the power being consumed in the uk was coming from renewables. isn't that remarkable ? no, no . because remarkable? no, no. because today was the day when the sun was shining. and i think i was quite blustery. so this is if it's the best you can do is get half on a day like this, then you've got a long way to go just on that side of it, though, my point, kevin, isn't that of course, you can build enough wind farms and can put down wind farms and you can put down enough solar, even at the cost of you can of food production. you can build the wind farms and solar. and if you enough, you and if you build enough, you produce a sunny, windy day , produce on a sunny, windy day, you enough electricity you produce enough electricity and more than you need . so the and more than you need. so the question is, when they're not working, you have to have for every wind farm you have to have either a huge battery farm which has been charged up ready to take over , or you have to have take over, or you have to have some sort of hydraulic arrangement ready to run again, charged up with the spare electricity unit . now that all electricity unit. now that all has to be costed in, we need to

know what the detail of all that is. and it all has to be costed in. and that is part of the cost of renewables and that hasn't been counted as far as i'm aware, when the government tells you what your wind energy and your energy is costing your solar energy is costing because at the moment we use gas to back it up when it's not blowing. okay. so the alternative point of view is that today doesn't go far enough because it doesn't go strongly enoughin because it doesn't go strongly enough in offering more incentives to renewable companies to be able to provide us with more of our power. now, daniels just raised his eyebrows. okay, but i think it's exciting and great today. our nation's half of our power is being produced by renewables , being produced by renewables, and our country needs more jobs and our country needs more jobs and employment. and if we really get hold of the renewable energy agenda , we can do that. so in agenda, we can do that. so in summary from today, some good things in there, but we are in danger of falling behind america and eu if we don't move even and the eu if we don't move even faster . and it isn't. and it's faster. and it isn't. and it's about the climate and the environment, but also good

british jobs. right. so you put on a really interesting point because there's been of because there's been loads of criticism about these plans today. but there was one in today. lots but there was one in particular that caught my eye is not this criticism, by not alone in this criticism, by the way. this is dr. chris jones, an expert in climate change, university of change, the university of manchester. he among manchester. he said, among other things, he's basically saying it's weak strategy, but it's a it's a weak strategy, but he's last line it was he's last line of it was interesting because it says these measures are to these measures are enough to downgrade uk's role as a downgrade the uk's role as a leader in tackling climate change. you've said that it change. you've just said that it might make us fall beyond the eu and us, etc. why does the uk and the us, etc. why does the uk have be the one that's have to be the one that's driving this forward? there'll be people at home that really are struggling, people will out the sentence all the time. he is narrating whatever you can. i have a lot measures that are have a lot of measures that are coming the pipe that be coming down the pipe that can be very expensive people, very expensive for people, whether changing cars or whether it's changing cars or sticking heat pumps. wherever i got in you need to do got on in as what you need to do to tick the boxes, why do we have to be so filtered walk have to be so from filtered walk out with chill out a little bit. well you are right. if it was just for sake of it, it

just for the sake of it, it would be it wouldn't matter what others when i said others did. but when i said falling i mean in the falling behind, i mean in the ter in terms of the amount in an active state investment that the us eu is putting into us and the eu is putting into their countries have a you their countries to have a you mean job creation? job creation , public ones. if , public industrial ones. if i could finish one of you one could just finish one of you one second your points the second out of your points the second, and you come back to i know, i think that we were in danger of falling behind active pubuc danger of falling behind active public sector investment to create you're create good jobs. you're absolutely right . not for the absolutely right. not for the sake it that wouldn't mean sake of it that wouldn't mean anything. but this is about the jobs need in this jobs that we need in this country opportunities of country and the opportunities of really being a world leader, not for of it, but for for the sake of it, but for jobs, the economy, as well as protecting the environment. good jobs, best jobs need jobs, the best jobs don't need subsidy. the best jobs are the jobs where people are creating value that pays their wages and a profit . jobs that need a profit. jobs that need a subsidy are not the best jobs. but we already one of the other critiques from today's announcement is that the subsidies available to oil and

gas companies for investment and offsetting some of their tax gets investment there is a level playing field between the oil and gas companies can claim and renewables. and that's a missed opportunity. well, no, it's because you do oil field, because if you do an oil field, you to spend a vast you have to spend a vast fortune. first of all, before you get a drop out of it. and that's why you can offset those against your profits in the future, because you have to make that huge investment right at the outset with wind farms. you also have to invest. obviously, you have to invest, but it's not one huge thing because each tower, each pylon that goes up with its windmill on it, tower, each pylon that goes up with its windmill on it , that with its windmill on it, that the technical that's a technical term here. the windmill . term here. the windmill. windmill it's a technical term goes round like a windmill each one can start producing electricity straight away. so you're bound to have a different tax treatment because the oil, oil and gas wells don't make any profits until they're actually dug platform up rigs. the whole

thing , huge investment. so you thing, huge investment. so you are sitting at home and you think about net zero and it sounds good doesn't it. yeah. let's all help save the planet. it sounds great, but when you actually look at the impacts like the micro, this is not just like the micro, this is not just like a pie in the sky thing. the micro level of impact it has on your lives. you know, there's councils meat free. you councils going meat free. you can't meat. that's bad for can't eat meat. that's bad for the environment. got all the environment. you've got all of this war on cars going on. so much is happening to of much now is happening to all of our lives, all in this pursuit of is it worth is of net zero. is it worth it? is it a price worth paying? i know what you're saying about good jobs, way, because a few jobs, by the way, because a few of my members work at of my family members work at siemens i'm allowed to say siemens think i'm allowed to say that siemens and that they work at siemens and they're the whole they're involved with the whole turbine yes. for an area turbine. is yes. for an area that's not doing so well, it hasn't had its previous industry replaced with green opportunities come along they are interesting they are in sensational company. yeah, but i just sometimes i'm not going to open up the whole covid thing, don't worry. but sometimes like we shut the whole economy down.

specific just to focus on covid. and sometimes with this climate net zero stuff, i worry that we're impacting so many people's lives in so many ways in the pursuit of net zero, as though it's the only thing that matters . do you think that our who am i talking outfits that i shouldn't be talking out of? what do you think adrienne's say as michelle, the house of parliament that getting revamped at the moment? will they be leading the way? think that whole pumps do whole estate with heat pumps do you know the answer to that? i don't know answer because don't know the answer because they're leading the way. they're not leading the way. they're of they're miles behind in terms of what they're to do. and what they're going to do. and they've start over they've had to start all over again. and be years before again. and it'll be years before you anything and by you see anything happen. and by then have gone then we'll probably have gone beyond to is beyond heat pumps to is a details mum saying can you details mum is saying can you ask kevin this 50% that's been talked about is it total energy or just electricity which is talked about is it total energy orjust electricity which is an or just electricity which is an all i don't know. all of our energy? i don't know. do you know this i was referring to was earlier today, to was that earlier today, almost half of the electricity consumed in all electricity was being sugar. stuart is a man

that knows the answer to the detail. we're like, that's getting such i mean, a couple of you are making the same point here, which is michelle, this is all fascinating, but it means nothing if people are not getting themselves over to china, example, a china, for example, and having a word those guys . by word with those guys. and by the way, you about china, way, when you say about china, because indeed you are right, they emitting a lot more they are emitting a lot more than but don't forget, we do than us. but don't forget, we do a outsourcing of our a lot of the outsourcing of our manufacturing china. if manufacturing to china. so if you them cut their you want them to cut their emissions, would you be happy if they my little they turned around in my little hypothetical and said, hypothetical world and said, well, you what, i'll well, i'll tell you what, i'll reduce by in reduce emissions by stopping in the manufacturing lots of the manufacturing for lots of the manufacturing for lots of the can bring your the globe. you can bring your manufacturing back into this country compare higher country and compare the higher pnces. country and compare the higher prices . would you be happy with prices. would you be happy with that your thoughts? prices. would you be happy with that to your thoughts? prices. would you be happy with that to take|r thoughts? prices. would you be happy with that to take athoughts? prices. would you be happy with that to take a quick1ts? prices. would you be happy with that to take a quick break. i'm going to take a quick break. when come back, i'll have when i come back, i'll have a lot of your response . those you lot of your response. those you guys getting in touch on guys are getting in touch on this one. but i also want to talk shoplifting. talk to you about shoplifting. when you think about shoplifting, do you think it's a serious apparently with serious issue apparently with the of europe, serious issue apparently with thethat of europe, serious issue apparently with thethat matter of europe, serious issue apparently with thethat matter ? of europe, serious issue apparently with thethat matter ? and of europe, serious issue apparently with thethat matter ? and many rope, serious issue apparently with thethat matter ? and many people for that matter? and many people are saying it's time to get tough it. but i don't mean to

tough on it. but i don't mean to be to shops. there's an be rude to shops. there's an awful lot of right now awful lot of crime right now where shoplifting in where is shoplifting in the pecking order? give me your pecking order? you give me your thoughts. you into .

hi there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me. michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, daniel moylan is the conservative life peer in the conservative life peer in the house of lords and kevin craig is the ceo of palomar communications . and i'm alan and communications. and i'm alan and i'm keeping you company. communications. and i'm alan and i'm keeping you company . all i'm keeping you company. all right . i never got to the bottom right. i never got to the bottom of who, alan was, by the way, is giving nothing away, is keeping a dignified silence. kevin says, can you ask kevin ? so to kevin's can you ask kevin? so to kevin's , can you challenge him on that percentage of energy being generated by renewables that is, the percentage of electricity thatis the percentage of electricity that is being generated, not gas as gas makes up 80% of the energy at 50, renewables would

equate to 10% of the total energy . well, i would just say energy. well, i would just say to kev that about 1:00 today from the national grid , they from the national grid, they gave me a quote on the real time power mix, of which renewables are 48.1% gas, 17, biomass, 3.9. imports 14.9, and nuclear at 16 and o. coal which is great. that was electricity ten, i believe. so, yeah . yeah. not total power so, yeah. yeah. not total power . right. have gas pumped into . . right. have gas pumped into. yeah yeah. because it's that's nice. i've got another question for you. can you ask kevin, have you got any questions for daniel? let me know as well. just daniel's get just i don't want daniel's get left we are questioning left out. we are questioning from him. can you ask kevin if he stuff in favour of net zero as he got a heat pump, as he got solar panels jose an solar panels on jose drive, an electric thank for electric car? a thank you for the question that from it's the question it's that from it's called straight talker on twitter. thanks straight twitter. well, thanks straight talker. electric talker. i do have an electric car. i don't have the heat pumps. from my experience here in quite grand houses so far in the countryside. i think you've

in quite grand houses so far in the to untryside. i think you've in quite grand houses so far in the to go ryside. i think you've in quite grand houses so far in the to go down i think you've in quite grand houses so far in the to go down quite1k you've in quite grand houses so far in the to go down quite a you've in quite grand houses so far in the to go down quite a way ve in quite grand houses so far in the to go down quite a way to got to go down quite a way to get but if could, get them. but if i could, i would, you know, so that's not real good showing . that's not real good showing. that's not 100% of measures , let's put 100% of the measures, let's put it we do what we it that way. we still do what we can . yeah, i think that we must can. yeah, i think that we must all do what we can, but i think that the people that bang the drum the loudest for that net zero stuff should do more. yeah i think they should lead by example. found that said example. yeah. i found that said this just this off as this one just this came off as an and i tell you this an important point though. i thought the viewers are smart thought the viewers are a smart bunch something ed bunch and it's something that ed miliband says a lot. it's really important. we think about the end and looking end of the world and looking after planet , but it end of the world and looking after planet, but it has to after the planet, but it has to be done at the same time as thinking of the thinking about the end of the month. right. this is very good thatis month. right. this is very good that is part of all this, you know, have to led and know, lives have to be led and budgets the meantime. budgets met in the meantime. this very true, so this is very true, right. so let's move on, shall we? we've all britain called a all had britain being called a nafion all had britain being called a nation of shopkeepers, daniel sheikh ed. but i'm going sheikh and his ed. but i'm going to from that, sarah, to move on from that, sarah, because a of things because there's a lot of things going we've all been going on, right? we've all been called, we, a nation of called, haven't we, a nation of shopkeepers we're wondering

shopkeepers. but we're wondering now, basically a nation now, are we basically a nation of shoplifters , as, according to of shoplifters, as, according to official statistics, shoplifting has increased by 21% and attacks on shopkeeper has also risen to a massive claim. i think a lot of people are inadvertent. shoplifters i think what people do . haven't you? you had me do. haven't you? you had me before on a program that you shoplifted in the past, but you're not this in life. you've got to be sensible . and i don't got to be sensible. and i don't think it's sensible to admit to being a criminal live on television . so i will say no television. so i will say no comment for that. okay. what i'm saying is i think there's a lot of people that perhaps look at a self checkouts and think to themselves, i'm not going to scan anything on there. and guess what else? i have the shop at right, is doing at supermarket, right, is doing away of its checkout away with all of its checkout girls, like so if you girls, people like me. so if you want me to serve well, want me to serve myself well, you grumble if you you can't really grumble if you don't your entire amount don't get your entire amount through the till. i don't think that's is blatant shoplifting. that shoplifting. i think that is shoplifting. i think there's a lot of people out in

adverts that would be you, you, you , you are not fat and you you, you are not fat and you didn't. yeah exactly. put an orange through as a grapefruit because a grapefruit you know all the way round, all the way around. yeah. you just got your grapefruit frozen orange . yeah. grapefruit frozen orange. yeah. because colours grapefruit frozen orange. yeah. becathe colours grapefruit frozen orange. yeah. becathe same, colours grapefruit frozen orange. yeah. becathe same, but colours grapefruit frozen orange. yeah. becathe same, but we colours grapefruit frozen orange. yeah. becathe same, but we move)urs grapefruit frozen orange. yeah. becathe same, but we move itrs look the same, but we move it along because we anyway it's slightly uncomfortable. yeah. i'm looking shifty, but i'm looking a bit shifty, but i know michelle hasn't done something happening something that i see happening a lot now. and this does because this shoplifting does warrant that something that there's something else that's a that's happening is that a whole load people those days, load of people now those days, of course, have deliveries from amazon firms delivered amazon and other firms delivered to their door. they're not home. they their little boxes. they have their little boxes. they have their little boxes. they their little hidden they have their little hidden places where they tell the driver to the stuff. yeah, driver to leave the stuff. yeah, there who there are people who are professionally going round now going down to basements, going into and stealing stuff into flats and stealing stuff that's been left out to see what it is. see if it's got any value for them, take it off and sell it and it's become a whole industry. and i don't see that the police are going to be able to anything about because

to do anything about it because you everywhere and you have to be everywhere and look bad things to do. and look what bad things to do. and they've got better things to do. so what the so i don't know what the solution that is, least solution to that is, at least with shoplifting shops, with shoplifting the big shops, at install cameras. at least can install cameras. they have check out when you they can have check out when you take your orange and your grapefruit out and the machine goes flash or whatever goes flash, flash or whatever and buzz. it never has to me. so powers so self—checkouts now they have oh, they have cameras that have for now have that have had for years now have cameras . so they can cameras at checkout. so they can see you can see you're see you can see what you're doing with the flip flop doing with all the flip flop there front of you and so on. there in front of you and so on. so can look after so they can look after themselves some but themselves to some extent. but i'm worried about ordinary people stuff people who are having stuff nicked the whole nicked from them. the whole time. people trying get time. people are trying to get in to blocks of flats, see what's been left there the what's been left there by the drivers costs. the . drivers shoplifting costs. the. british economy £4.27 billion. apparently that's more than germany, france, netherlands, spain, italy and sweden. only retailers in the united states apparently face more theft anyway. yeah, i mean, this is shocking to me. it's a shocking statistic. i think the issue here is that i feel the

statistics suggest that it's on the rise, the reality that we all know is if you are somebody on a relatively low wage is working as security in for example sainsbury's. right you're going to think twice about risking your well—being to tackle somebody on shop, on shop for shoplift thing, right? so it is a huge cost generally. i think if it's on the rise, it's part of the cost of living crisis. people are harder up the probably going to commit more crime as a result. well hang on. but other thing is, if but the other thing is, if overall crime is on the rise and there is i detect less respect around for law and order than they used to be. and this is part of the problem. but low paid security guards in an increasingly violent society are not going to risk their lives . not going to risk their lives. that isn't how it works, but it is . you can see that all around is. you can see that all around how it works in large organised sections. so you have staff on london underground, for example , who look after the stations, you see them there, but they're

not the people who tackle fare dodgers , for example. there are dodgers, for example. there are dedicated officers , revenue dedicated officers, revenue protection officers dressed in ordinary clothes who work in pairs , who do tackle fare pairs, who do tackle fare dodgers and are prepared and trained to take people on. i don't mean to tackle rugby tackle , you know, i'm not tackle, you know, i'm not encouraged to get into fights, but to confront them and be firm with them. and you have the same thing in shops. you think it's the it's the poor security guard whose job it it isn't. there whose job it is. it isn't. there are people they organise this in are people they organise this in a much , much more way. a much, much more focussed way. they are ordinary security guard is not the one who is going and tackling the shoplifter. if the buzzer goes off. so if the big shops can generally look after themselves, i worry about the small shops and i worry about the attacks on small shopkeeper, very often on small shopkeepers, because they haven't got the same resources and they're not as professional at doing it as the big shops are, despite what kevin thinks that are bunch of amateurs, they're not. they're very professional about they very professional about it. they know doing and i'm

know what they're doing and i'm worried about them and i worry about people getting stuff nicked at the whole time nicked at home the whole time and break ins from outside their homes their little alcoves and break ins from outside their homwhateverheir little alcoves and break ins from outside their homwhatever lair little alcoves and break ins from outside their homwhatever i get ttle alcoves and break ins from outside their homwhatever i get behind oves and break ins from outside their homwhatever i get behind the; and whatever i get behind the threat, behind the flowerpot. well, it was severest bonuses at home, making me chuckle. i do see all your emails that you send me and i have to be send to me and i have to be sensible. i can't read certain things especially before things out, especially before the watershed . you know, i think the watershed. you know, i think that as a nation, people are becoming more violent. it feels like that to me anyway. and i also think that social media is playing a big part in this because you do seem to see these videos now of these kids and they don't care . they will just they don't care. they will just walk into shop in front of walk into a shop in front of everyone. they'll fill their boots and fill their pockets and they will just wander out knowing that they're probably not going to get stopped . and a not going to get stopped. and a lot of shoplifters and a little bit too much about this subject . a lot of shoplifters, of course, they do steal to order , course, they do steal to order, don't they? yes. the things that

alcohol, you know, they are in large stores. that does happen . large stores. that does happen. and i don't know where lord daniel moylan does his weekly shop.i daniel moylan does his weekly shop. i can assure him that in many, many supreme markets, large and small around the country, it does fall to the security staff as the first port of call to tackle shoplifting . of call to tackle shoplifting. well, i wouldn't know for myself because i never actually been stopped for shoplifting. kevin and you'd have maybe more experience than me in this. i suspect these are a few of you that sainsbury's and people like that sainsbury's and people like that have got a very much more professional operation than you , says. michelle, , sheila, says. michelle, shoplifting causes a price reign. price rise in goods, which ultimately affects us all. it is a crime and it needs to be stopped, correct? i completely agree it is a crime. agree with you. it is a crime. it agree with you. it is a crime. h need agree with you. it is a crime. it need to be stopped. but it does need to be stopped. but this comes to this country, when it comes to law order, is in an absolute law and order, is in an absolute mess. when comes to the mess. so when it comes to the priorities of the police to you think it is stuff like stopping shoplifters that should get the priority you've got so many priority when you've got so many other getting other people seemingly getting away with quite serious crimes

these days? i don't know. you give me your thoughts on all of that. i'm going to take a quick break. when i come back, i'll have some your but have some of your emails. but i also want to ask you this about schools. one of my panel and you can i suspect he can guess which one i suspect he says, i shouldn't even be debating next because debating this next topic because you don't think it that much of a big deal. and he thinks there's things be there's other things to be worrying this country. worrying about in this country. but differ. i think but i beg to differ. i think there's too much stuff going on schools these without the schools these days without the consent knowledge of consent and knowledge of parents. that parents parents. i worry that parents are alienated are almost being alienated from key decisions and things that potentially could impact children for the of their children for the rest of their lives . so i'll tell you what i'm lives. so i'll tell you what i'm talking about and just 2 minutes

hi there . i'm michelle dewberry, hi there. i'm michelle dewberry, keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. i've got alongside me lord daniel moylan and kevin craig. welcome back to of you .

craig. welcome back to of you. we've just been talking in case missed it some of you have been sending me jokes actually again, i can't read them out on television so thank you for that. but no, martin says if all shoplifting stopped overnight, i guarantee wouldn't make a scrap of difference . the price of of difference. the price of goods. that's in response to the comment from one of my view as a second ago, which says that the rise in shoplifting is affecting everyone because the shops are clawing back their prices sorry, the losses through price increases by right. are you a security guard ? anyone out security guard? anyone out there? you are, would you get there? if you are, would you get involved? would you jump in and try and stop someone stealing anything? daniel says no. would you? my dad was security kiosk you? my dad was a security kiosk job. why would you risk ? job. no. why would you risk? it's job. it ends up it's not your job. it ends up with you that it ends up in a nice letter from the chief executive your funeral executive at your funeral service. hi. people say service. yes. hi. people say nice chairman of nice to the deputy chairman of transport london people. so transport for london people. so why not the bus driver? stop people getting on the bus without because it's without paying? because it's not their to

theirjob. they're not paid to get of the cab and have a get out of the cab and have a punch up with people. there are revenue officers that revenue protection officers that do train and i admire do that and a train and i admire the you see sometimes the people you see sometimes very selfless of bravery to very selfless acts of bravery to try crime. but people try and stop crime. but people are reticent. think are rightly reticent. i think now could escalate very. now it could escalate very. yeah. a shame society . i yeah. it's a shame in society. i don't people you see all on don't like people you see all on social media, people filming all like crazy, awful goings on. why you stop them filming you, helping the guy or the girl, whatever is. and then at the same question myself same time i question myself because i've always thought if i saw anything, i would get straight now that straight in the but now that i've child, i think i've got a child, i think actually my priority is getting home my child. yeah. home safely to my child. yeah. so we've digressed so i don't know. we've digressed from shoplifting and have a go here. i quite know. i've here. i don't quite know. i've done but anyway, i will done that. but anyway, i will move on story that really move on a story that really caught eye today. it was a caught my eye today. it was a report called asleep at the report out called asleep at the wheel it is conducted wheel. and what it is conducted by, i think, a think tank called policy exchange. they're policy exchange. and they're looking schools and their looking at schools and their gender policies and it's all looking at whether or not children, you know, they have a list of these days where they

think they can change the genden think they can change the gender. they're out of touch with and all with that biological sex and all this all that. and do this and all that. and i'll do that anyway 40, apparently of secondary that have secondary schools that have questionnaires say that questionnaires would say that they're not going to divulge. so they're not going to divulge. so the parents of the child, if they've got a situation where they've got a situation where the children is questioning their gender and going through all process, personally all this process, i personally found appalling . kevin, is found that appalling. kevin, is you on my panel? it says basically i'm paraphrasing, but haven't you got anything better to michelle, why are to talk about? michelle, why are you this more it is? you making this more than it is? i think this is a really serious issue . i worry the mental issue. i worry for the mental health of a generation of children come. i think that children to come. i think that they've and often they've been indulged and often premature , said fantasy , premature, said this fantasy, and i don't think it's going to end well. and i think it's hugely important from discussing it. okay. so, you know, earlier on fronted up and asked to on i was fronted up and asked to give about what i believed give stats about what i believed on energy policy. right can somebody tell me how many incidences across the country we are talking about each year of what issues where a child with

with issues about their with trans related or gender related issues. something happened in their parents weren't told what's the scale of this ? well what's the scale of this? well first and foremost wives first and foremost. if the parents haven't been told about it, i suspect they're getting actual stats will be quite stats and it will be quite difficult. the stats that i difficult. but the stats that i just gave you then, which is 40% of secondary that of the secondary schools that have responded to this research thing, would thing, have said that they would not they proactively wouldn't tell parents. of them tell the parents. some of them cite the data cite things like the data protection which is just protection act, which is just wrong child is in wrong because if a child is in danger or , you have concerns danger or, you have concerns about of the child about the wellbeing of the child . be telling parents . you should be telling parents or whoever you talk about stats as well when it looks that's think what of they call it the kids you know the tavistock staff referrals to those guys are up thousand is a fold so this for me as a mum that has a little one in nursery is really concerning. i don't want my child being told, you know , oh, child being told, you know, oh, you think you're a boy, you think you're a girl, you can do this. we'll call you shirley. we

work. tell you, mom, it's worrying to me as a parent. well, i'm also parent. and i ultimately echo the headteachers who call for renewed government guidance on this to clarify it. but my point is we're talking so much about trans related issues, the gender related debates is, you know, the noise around it when my point which still hold is relative to the other crises in schools under attainment vice lence against fellow pupils and teachers . why are we not talking teachers. why are we not talking about that as much? because kids care. keith star keir starmer is struggling with names today because key case starmer calm key won't tell you whether a woman is a woman but because you will party the party, you've come on to here to front for cannot say what a woman . yeah, cannot say what a woman. yeah, yes. i can't think of what females also say. ask and always say no , no. it's not really say no, no. it's not really clear . say no, no. it's not really clear. change the problem tony last year become clear that this

is a serious a serious point in all of this, which is the role of the parent is the it's the parent's job morally and legally to educate and bring up their children. the schools are only there to assist in that and to facilitate it that the schools are not the parents of the children and they shouldn't be making decisions contrary to what the parents actually want. and the parents need to be involved in making decisions about their children at every stage , at every level, because stage, at every level, because they've got moral and legal responsibility for educating them and for bringing them up. and we've lost sight of that principle . we seem to think that principle. we seem to think that these these poor kids actually belong to the state. we even had in scotland. this is not an antilabour point is it was snp , antilabour point is it was snp, this new first minister of scotland when he was health minister, he tried effectively effectively to nationalise all the children in scotland by

making giving every one of them a civil servant as a corporate co—parent . yeah, that is just co—parent. yeah, that is just completely in the wrong direction on your side of the friends, baroness morris , who is friends, baroness morris, who is the secretary of state for educational under blair, she has endorse this report today, saying safeguarding principles are fundamental to a responsible society. this report demonstrates an incompatibility between current practises for gender distress , children and gender distress, children and well—established and universally accepted safeguarding prince . accepted safeguarding prince. supposed children deserve be kept safe and action is now urgent , she says. yeah, she is urgent, she says. yeah, she is still a great former labour secretary. i agree . i don't secretary. i agree. i don't disagree on the policy that we need clarity and the importance of involvement . but my broader of involvement. but my broader point, which is why i think it's important to say it, the amount of noise and chit chat around these trans related gender related issues, the reason you, you and your party, daniel, like to talk about it so much more. so if i can finish is that it's

it gives rishi something to talk about to distract from the abject failure. i didn't interrupt you, daniel. in so many areas as you know and so that's why this is like there are much bigger crises and problems in our schools. i'm sure i'm sure there are problems elsewhere in society, but a number of people, including angela , have pushed this whole angela, have pushed this whole thing very hard over the last five or six, ten years. it's grown hugely that you have the right to determine what they're called gender, your own gender, which is thing they've invented the whole idea. they've invented . and you've got the right to push it. and they've so pushed push it. and they've so pushed push this so far that you actually have kissed . i'm not actually have kissed. i'm not able to tell what they are telling you every week. you can if you ask him. well, he's probably eyeballs by probably been to the eyeballs by pr people. i've realised this is damaging political for the labour because it anyway , labour because it broad anyway, the heart of the matter the urgent heart of the matter is don't i should is you don't think i should talk, is important. i make talk, which is important. i make no apology whatsoever for talking this. sick talking about this. i am sick

and tired of children being fed these world these that have real world impacts. you've got children, girls bonding their chests , girls bonding their chests, you've got the hormones being pumped into children to suppress puberty. you've got safe spaces being eroded all over the place. you've got all of this nonsense about selfies that people now have to be able to say who they are that they think they are with facts seemingly not mattering, lowering false bodies is the discourse of the day getting of this ? it's getting a hold of this? it's nonsense. it needs to stop children and should absolutely be safe. parents should be kept safe. parents should always kept in the loop. and always be kept in the loop. and i'm sorry, i don't care what's with respect . i don't care that with respect. i don't care that you think i shouldn't be discussing and i make no apology for i will definitely for it. and i will definitely discussing it again in the future. i something? i future. can i say something? i forgot you still forgot quickly that you still haven't the question of haven't asked the question of how many times over a year this happens. one's arguing about happens. no one's arguing about your parent. no, you haven't. there's what there's that's to justify what this channel is banging on all day about an issue that affects

a tiny number of people. we don't we don't bang on about all day. that's just ridiculous not just i've just just talk. yeah. as i've just told well, 40% of the schools told as well, 40% of the schools have admitted they would have admitted that they would not parents that shouldn't not tell parents that shouldn't even before person. i'm not even at reports called asleep at at the reports called asleep at the i'm not asleep at the the wheel i'm not asleep at the wheel. but i'll tell you what, i am getting trouble because am getting in trouble because i'm to break i'm not going to my break because want to go to break because i do want to go to break and i want to come back and talk about parties about your parties local election plan that's been released today. don't go anywhere see you into

hi there, michelle dewberry. keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. keeping me company is danielle, the man that keeps calling me alone. only to keep doing what it wants is the view is they keep doing it anyway alongside him kevin craig is the ceo of palomar communications and lots of you guys getting in search. i

used to be a store detective in woolworths. that's a blast from the past. woolworths to remember what do you. i bet you what i do did. you. i bet you didn't. bet you've come didn't. i bet you've never come across, of course in all your life, passion. i've life, your true passion. i've seen floors in woolworths seen the floors in woolworths when 16 you cleaned when i was 16 you cleaned a saturday job. it's come i used to the stock house in to work in the stock house in woolworths new street in woolworths in new street in birmingham the of the birmingham and at the end of the day come out with my broom day i'd come out with my broom and the floors. well and i'd sweep the floors. well down. you knew you you have preconceptions about me. elaine is i think it's false for the pick and mix and woolworths use cost an absolute fortune so expensive for anyway the expensive for me anyway the point guy's is he point this guy's making is he used be a store detective in used to be a store detective in woolworths is detective. woolworths is a store detective. shoplifting been shoplifting has always been an issue his so they issue back in his day. so they used and sort it out used to try and sort it out don't let him tell you michelle we don't care about these issues when we do, i won't let them. tell me. don't worry about tell me. don't you worry about that. anyway, we will about that. anyway, we will talk about an issue perhaps kevin an issue that perhaps kevin might care a bit more might care a little bit more about elections. about local council elections. keir starmer who danielle also called kevin today, i don't know what if he was i think everyone

calls him starmer. anyway, vehicular he's pledged to use an extended windfall tax to freeze tax for a year. what do you what do you make to all the goings on, on the speeches? i just i thought you know, local elections, one of my passions is not enough. people vote in their local elections. in our country. you don't vote. no, not in local. i've never had to abstain actively , you know, just actively, you know, just a bother. okay well, i'm disappointed. not for the first time this evening. so be i'll get over. but i think it's really important that people personally i think it's important that they vote for their local council elections. councils have huge amounts of powers . and it's a it's powers. and so today it's a it's a good speech by kay and a good policy for the local elections. the interesting thing about the policy today, right, which is about a council tax freeze . keir about a council tax freeze. keir starmer's coming out with policies that 99% of people benefit from , whereas daniels benefit from, whereas daniels man sometimes rishi comes out

with policies that the 1% benefit from. it's really simple. what do you think of this whole council tax has been mocked a little bit. well i mean, you know, kevin talks such complete garbage , but i am going complete garbage, but i am going to agree with him on his first. oh look, i can really, really important that people do use their vote, including you at the local elections. but this is complete nonsense because we don't have to listen to keith starmer to find out what labour government is going to be like. because we've got labour government already got labour government already got labour government in london , we've got government in london, we've got labour government in wales and wales, the council tax is going up wales, the council tax is going ”p by wales, the council tax is going up by nearly 6. in london i had my council tax bill from my local council only last week. my local council only last week. my local council only last week. my local council has is putting the council up their share of the council up their share of the council tax by o. council up their share of the council tax by 0. so khan good comes on top of that is putting

his share by 10% that is the difference between conservative and labour and that's why we don't need to listen to this nonsense from keir starmer. we know what labour government is like and it's no good for your pocket. so that was lovely. we can clip that out tomorrow and it'll be daniel. he can send that clip to the tory whips in the house of lords and say, i'm a good boy, now i'm back, you know, i'm behaving unlike this week in the lords when you were involved in bringing my 20 whacks, when you were involved in government in london working with johnson. okay, that with boris johnson. okay, that will things will increase this in things called precept and in charge is to londoners that basically you haven't got a single positive thing. borisjohnson. boris thing. boris johnson. boris johnson . boris johnson. from johnson. boris johnson. from your own mayor. boris johnson . a your own mayor. boris johnson. a very rigorous deflecting. you know , boris, you've got this know, boris, you've got this wrong. boris had a very, very strict policy and a very strict targets for his precept , even targets for his precept, even got it in his last year as

mayor. he actually cut the precept. all you get from labour is increase his year on year. collins behaviour , with his collins behaviour, with his precepts has been a total disgrace. not true during your day you saying you didn't have the precept up? never very moderate . that's then and now we moderate. that's then and now we have. we even cut it. we even cut. we're having towards the end of the show. let me read it direct question before we before we finish write if labour is going to do all this, not only is the right help me understand this would they have got wales right here and now? so right in the here and now? so why aren't they using this as their kind creme la creme their kind of creme de la creme and doing all the things that they will do if they they reckon they will do if they get elected? why aren't they doing it now in wales? well, you know, transfer, currency. i'm not welsh politics, not an expert on welsh politics, but i say is that the but what i will say is that the labour party's been proven popular in elections. there you know, the recent elections for welsh devolved government, labour did very well and people are generally happy with what they're doing . and one thing they're doing. and one thing

too, because it's about a flowing conversation. daniel pulls out one local authority. i think it's the royal borough of kensington, chelsea. is that right. okay, well, it's the one ihappen right. okay, well, it's the one i happen to live in. one i sat on and i presented a show like you. daniel, disappear because councils around the country hull the challenges the council has in hull vastly different . well in hull vastly different. well they i'll leave it to you guys to be the judge of that jeffrey says the transphobic narrative from michelle is a appalling it shouldn't i'm shouldn't be allowed. i'm not transphobic any shape or transphobic in any way, shape or form. am see there is form. what i am see there is children nonsense children being pushed a nonsense based on an ideology, not facts. that's my view. and i'm sure you have a different one. potentially at home. kevin that's all i've got time for. daniel that's all i've got. thanks michelle, two. thanks michelle, for you two. thanks michelle, for you two. thank very much for your thank you very much for your feedback tonight . lots of you feedback tonight. lots of you saying that you've enjoyed the debates this evening so you have a fantastic night. all of you and will see you tomorrow . do and i will see you tomorrow. do not you've got a thousand not forget you've got a thousand pages policy council. pages of energy policy council. your get it read will test your plans get it read will test you on it tomorrow night. night

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it's net zero day westminster. the question is , can we afford the question is, can we afford it ? we'll the question is, can we afford it? we'll join the question is, can we afford it ? we'll join the battle to it? we'll join the battle to keep fighting for a f scamps and yes and that really really i think matters hugely to our history and heritage in this country. and james tells them to join us on talking pies, double world super bike champion. what motivates somebody to do a sport as dangerous , frankly, as crazy as dangerous, frankly, as crazy as dangerous, frankly, as crazy as that . but before we get as that. but before we get there, let's get money. is with polly middlehurst .