good evening. discerning viewers everywhere. welcome along to nearly all of our life on gb news tv and on radio . tonight, news tv and on radio. tonight, i'll be joined by six time parliamentarian freedom fighter and general man of the world, george galloway. we'll discuss whether the un is fit for purpose amongst much else . we'll purpose amongst much else. we'll also be asking whether the pfizer vaccine should be given to women during any stage of pregnancy. and we'll be hearing from the music industry legend pete waterman about his amazing collection of model trains . all collection of model trains. all of that plus plenty of chat with

my brilliant panellist, andrew kneebone . but first, the news kneebone. but first, the news headunes kneebone. but first, the news headlines with our own armstrong . hi there. good evening to you. it is 6:00. i'm out. armstrong in the gb newsroom. passengers arriving at dover for the easter getaway have described being shell shocked by the delays. but some groups waiting more than 16 hours. several coach loads of adults and children have been there since last night. the port has declared a critical incident and it has put the lengthy delays down to the french border processes and sheer volume. cars have also been caught up in the gridlock, but the delays are less severe. the labour leader , less severe. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says families trying to get on holiday will be frustrated yet again . think the frustrated yet again. think the nature of the frustration will be not again. this is not the first time the problems at doven first time the problems at dover. the government needs to get a grip of this and plan

ahead. we can't have every summer holiday, every easter holiday, the same old problem . holiday, the same old problem. and so the government needs to get of this and actually get a grip of this and actually help out are just help people out who are just trying get away for a few trying to get away for a few days holiday. man accused of murdering and in murdering a father and son in cambridgeshire has been remanded in custody. 66 year old steven alderton has appeared at huntingdon magistrates court charged with two counts of murder possession of murder and possession of firearm. dunmore his firearm. garry dunmore and his son josh shot six miles son josh were shot six miles apart on wednesday . a on apart on wednesday. a on a heanng apart on wednesday. a on a hearing will take place in cambridge. crown court on monday . the government says the rise in the national minimum wage proves they are doing what they can to help with the rising cost of living. millions of the lowest paid workers will get a boost of 9.7% in their hourly wage from today. that takes it from £9.50 to £10, 42. however, usdaw , the shop workers union usdaw, the shop workers union say £12 per hour was their recommendation . that would have recommendation. that would have been the minimum requirement to

help workers through the biggest cost of living crisis in 50 years. around 5 million people will be able to get a spring covid boosterjab next week. a care home residents in england will be the first to receive the vaccine. that's from monday. and all other eligible people, including those aged 75 and oven including those aged 75 and over, or those with a weakened immune system, will be able to book their jab online from wednesday . government plans that wednesday. government plans that could see polluting water companies facing unlimited fines have been dismissed by opposition parties. there were on average more than 800 sewage spills per day into england's waterways in the last year . that waterways in the last year. that is according to official figures. ministers want to lift the current penalty cap of a quarter of £1,000,000. however labour have described it as a flimsy regurgitation of old ideas. flimsy regurgitation of old ideas . and the lib dems have ideas. and the lib dems have again called for therese coffey. the environment secretary, to resign . ukraine's foreign

resign. ukraine's foreign minister has described russia's presidency of the united nations security council as the worst joke ever for april fool's day. moscow has taken over the presidency of the un's top security body today . that's security body today. that's a role which rotates every month between the 15 permanent members, while the last time the kremlin held the position was in february last year when it launched an invasion of ukraine. earlier, russia said it plans to exercise all its rights in the role . at least 11 people have role. at least 11 people have been killed after tornadoes swept through the south and midwest of the united states . a midwest of the united states. a state of emergency has been declared in arkansas and missouri , where homes have been missouri, where homes have been damaged , vehicles upended . damaged, vehicles upended. officials say more than 40 tornado reports were made across seven states on friday night with illinois. indiana alabama and mississippi also impacted . and mississippi also impacted. tv online debris plus radio and on tunein, this is tv news. now

it's over to . it's over to. neil ihave it's over to. neil i have a confession to make. some of the confession is already out there having dripped through what i've said on here over the weeks and months just past. but i should be more frank . for most of my life, i was unaware and therefore silent about so much. that's wrong. events unfolded and i was too busy in my own little world. i missed what was happening for much too long. but not knowing is not enough. ignorance is no defence. just the other day someone mentioned the west wing, the us drama series about the fictionalised goings on in the white house. i watched episodes of actual more than once over the years. we have the box set. no, i can't. look at all, and i doubt we'll ever look at it again. sounds like a silly detail in the scheme of things, but the west wing is one of many

trivial things. i can no longer bear each is reminder bear because each is a reminder of a bigger problem. the west wing belongs to that time when i took for granted just as for took it for granted just as for a that a democrat a instance, that a democrat white house the good guys white house meant the good guys . but that was then. and this is now. not just the west now. it's not just the west wing, of course. are whole wing, of course. there are whole piles movies and tv shows i piles of movies and tv shows i can't look at now because the sight of makes me sight and sound of them makes me cnnge sight and sound of them makes me cringe memory of my cringe with the memory of my naivete my downright naivete and my downright dumbness . during the years when dumbness. during the years when i enjoyed them admitting naivete and dumbness is a hard bullet to chew. so much of what's wrong in the world is moving faster and faster. but all those new liberal stooges and the tiny , liberal stooges and the tiny, tiny suits with the good hair and 100 grand wristwatches , the and 100 grand wristwatches, the ones all went to the same sort of schools and belong to the same sort of private clubs that were mentored by the same elderly girls, and so have the same connections to the same transnational entities and corporations. those corporations. all those identikit policemen and women pretending to care about equality and diversity while

focussed only and always on playing the parts and securing yet more wealth and power for others like themselves. all of them are running scared now and for good reason. the internet helped them enormously and did the grab for power and momentum of cash during the past three years would not have been possible without it. but internet is a double edged sword, double edged sword, and double edged sword are both sides. never are sharp on both sides. never before have so many of us had access to so much information about all. it's going on. those neoliberals , those neo feudal neoliberals, those neo feudal lists like to brand everything that doesn't help their cause as misinformation . but they would misinformation. but they would say that, wouldn't they .7 more say that, wouldn't they? more and us have rumbled them and more of us have rumbled them , tyrants , though. those proto tyrants and many dictators, and they knew it. and it's already too late for them to the genie late for them to put the genie back the lamp. and all back in the lamp. and so all they can is take more and they can do is take more and more liberties, pass more and more liberties, pass more and more legislation to let them build they hope will build the walls they hope will protect protect them from protect them, protect them from us. it's like a supermarket sweep as they hurtle up and down the desperate, piling the aisles, desperate, piling anything everything into the

anything and everything into the trolleys before the runs trolleys before the time runs out. and so emmanuel macron slips his luxury. watch off of his wrist and into his trouser pocket and life tv. while he thinks no one's looking. and after making illegal to film after making it illegal to film and footage of the french and share footage of the french police action as beat police in action as the beat french people batons and french people with batons and spray teargas faces , spray teargas into their faces, the mainstream media, they're here and elsewhere, pushes the line that the french peasants are revolting in the face of changes to the pensionable age. what announced since this what are announced since this latest unrest in france? this revolution is heart up pensions. have you seen the age of the protesters? 20 somethings who surely care. not a jot about what pensions they may or may not receive in four decades time . this is the continuing war by the yellow vests. those regular people sick and tired of everything macron stands for who see through his hollow, can't about egalite and diversity all the way to the heart of what's really going on. which is to say a desperate last dash for the power to crush and silence

dissent. no wonder he had to cancel the visit by king charles. to lose one king or for his head is unfortunate. to lose two would be downright careless . here in the uk we're carrying through the cost of lockdown crisis led by prime minister rishi sunak , a man richer than rishi sunak, a man richer than that king, a veritable poster boy for the hedge fund class. with all these ties to big money and bigger business. a man who cheers on digital currency. a man whose father in law owns emphasis. a company behind all the tech necessary for central bank digital currencies, digital ids , and a social credit system ids, and a social credit system in the us. where former president donald trump has been indicted . president joe biden's indicted. president joe biden's administer nation desperately goods 100 million americans going to any lengths that would seem to provoke some another insurrection that will justify further draconian crackdowns on opposition from the might of the us state as focusing so much effort on coming up with a reason to arrest a focal point of that opposition. a person really does have to wonder about

the state of democracy and justice in the so—called land of the free. former speaker nancy pelosi said on social media last week that donald trump was entitled to a trial and i quote, to prove innocence. correct me if i'm wrong, but the last time i looked a person living in a democracy was presumed innocent until proven guilty . i believe a until proven guilty. i believe a full like pelosi is described as seeing the quiet part out loud . seeing the quiet part out loud. maybe she should extend the same entitlement to joe biden and his family and have them prove their innocence of dodgy dealings in ukraine and china and elsewhere. what's sauce for the goose? after all? and if there's a walking metaphor for the moral and cognitive decline of the west, then surely it's joe biden shuffling from podium to podium , plainly wondering where he is and why . as if we needed more and why. as if we needed more proof , the powers that be have proof, the powers that be have lost their way that they are without any moral compass. whatever evident whatever there is an evident dementia of the 46th president of the united states of america. us vice president kamala harris

has been in africa and what they call a charm offensive. alarmed by the growing influence on that continent of other powers , she's continent of other powers, she's there to talk to africans about there to talk to africans about the importance of democracy . the importance of democracy. since she represents a us that has toppled multiple governments in africa over the years. let's take some chutzpah. or perhaps just unmitigated temerity and unparalleled gall . in canada, unparalleled gall. in canada, the strutting poppin j that is justin trudeau awarded himself emergency powers to crush the truckers, protest . remember the truckers, protest. remember the truckers, protest. remember the truckers protest , including truckers protest, including freezing and seizing the bank accounts of the truckers and those supporting in their efforts. but the truckers are still there, just as the farmers and the tractors are still in the roads in the netherlands. and those yellow vests are still out and about in france. and the people of israel , those same people of israel, those same people of israel, those same people explicitly used as the laboratory of the world during the are out on the the pandemic, are out on the streets aviv and streets of tel aviv and elsewhere . i said the internet elsewhere. i said the internet was a double edged sword, and i meant more and more people meant it more and more people are talking about unwary , about are talking about unwary, about a.i, artificial intelligence,

and rightly so . no doubt gpt and and rightly so. no doubt gpt and the rest of whatever tech is coming down the line will put even more people out of a job. many predict an existential threat for the species and maybe the right. sometimes though, i think a.i. is just the same old, same old, made unimaginably fast and voracious. drawing upon everything our species has learned so far and repurposing it , reflecting back at us in a it, reflecting back at us in a fraction of a femtosecond , the fraction of a femtosecond, the distillation of what it took. our ancestor those millennia to lam . and then sometimes i wonder lam. and then sometimes i wonder if fast is all it is. i was beaten out of arithmetic by the first calculus i encountered 50 years ago. computers are faster than me at everything under the sun and i'm still here. like the rest of us, a.i. is living inside the body of a whale. just has plenty for it to eat for now. but only because there was a whale at the same time . good a whale at the same time. good old sapiens. one is stubbornly continuing to evolve. the better to adapt to its niche. don't

stop yourself celebrating stubborn and resourceful sapiens. whatever you find him or her. here in the uk and the united states, in france , in the united states, in france, in the netherlands, in germany, in africa , in the middle east, africa, in the middle east, everywhere between 1811 and 1816. skilled tradesmen rose in rebellion here in the uk to protest the loss of the livelihoods to machines weavers took to smashing looms that put them out of a job. those rebels are remembered as luddites . in are remembered as luddites. in 1812, the tory prime minister, spencer percival mead, framed a crime punishable by death . lord crime punishable by death. lord byron spoke against the move. it was his maiden speech in the lords and he used it to lament how a once loyal and industrious body of the people had become miserable men, driven by nothing but want . you may. you may call but want. you may. you may call the people a mob, he said. but do not forget that a mob often speaks the sentiments of the people . neoliberal stooges with people. neoliberal stooges with the right connections, pretending to care about the people, but only focussed on

securing more wealth and power for others like themselves. does nothing in the face of those who have right on the i was have right on the side. i was blind to what was going for blind to what was going on for most of life. i had met as most of my life. i had met as much freely. now but it seems to me it matters to see so if the world around feels world around you just feels wrong moment. if it makes wrong at the moment. if it makes you uncomfortable skin. you uncomfortable in your skin. so you are going mad, you uncomfortable in your skin. so because (ou are going mad, you uncomfortable in your skin. so because youare going mad, you uncomfortable in your skin. so because you knowing mad, you uncomfortable in your skin. so because you know the mad, but because you know the difference between right and wrong so much is so wrong. wrong and so much is so wrong. it's absolutely not the job of governments and leaders to make so many people so unhappy, so frightened of the future. it's utterly wrong that meaningful influence is in the process of being ceded to transnational bodies comprised of unelected, unaccountable police, men and women. the world health organisation. the world economic forum. it's time to assess whether they are fit for purpose. nato the united nations and the rest . any and all groups and the rest. any and all groups can and do go wrong, and when they do, it's the responsibility of everyone to say so and to do something about it. the internet is a double edged sword and cuts both ways. the rich and powerful

plainly do not understand the new tech of social media failed to see. it would empower not just them, but all of us as well . american comedian george carlin looked at those in power in his own country and said, it's a big club and you ain't in it. it might be a big club in terms of power and money, but its members are few in number. we are many and we are right. while they are and in the while they are wrong and in the wrong, knew it. and deep down wrong, we knew it. and deep down they it . too all they knew it. too all of us. my opinion, of course, is and you are free to disagree . keep your are free to disagree. keep your tweets and emails coming all through the show. you can email gb views at gbnews.uk. you can tweet me as well at gb news. and i'll try to get to some of your comments later in the show. if time allows. joining me tonight at the broadcast, star and lawyer andrew baum. good to see you . it's lovely to see you you. it's lovely to see you again. flying solo on that. oh,

i feel sort of empty. nothing but space, man , as some would but space, man, as some would say that what i was talking about the of what's going on in america. make of america. what do you make of this? i think overall, it's extraordinary where this is happening april day. happening on april fools day. but no amount of made up pranks to compete with the stuff that we're seeing in the news every single day. and you're right, we're drowning in a sea of information, most of which is false. and i think you have to question everything, even . i question everything, even. i mean, ofcom require us to put balance in there so you can sort of turn around well, of turn around and say, well, macron, example, his side of macron, for example, his side of the story for that was he was sort of balancing his watch, easy take off. so easy to take it off. so different clunk the desk is different clunk on the desk is what he? but what he would say. did he? but that's exactly what he said. absolutely. so none of this, marie antoinette, eat marie antoinette, let them eat cake. that sort of moment cake. it was that sort of moment which hit this multi which is why he hit this multi zillion dollar watch. but america's extraordinary. america's quite extraordinary. for time history, a for the first time in history, a president been arrested . and president has been arrested. and the narrative is quite extraordinary. i was half expecting to see a picture. the

money shot with with trump in you know, in handcuffs and things like that. but he's done a deal whereby that's not going to happen. he will, however, be fingerprinted mug fingerprinted and have the mug shot on and so forth. but shot and so on and so forth. but it's his hands it's playing into his hands because first case about because this first case about payments to stormy daniels was basically probably the weakest of the cases against him, because you've got the whole issue about the january six riots and so and so forth. riots and so on and so forth. there's sorts of allegations there's all sorts of allegations and clear what and it's not quite clear what the charges. yes. what did you make of nancy pelosi's form of words prove innocence? i words to prove innocence? i mean, could she how could mean, how could she how could someone in her position possibly get wrong in that way at get that wrong in that way at that time? i find it strong. you're absolutely bang on the money on that, if ever there was a case of showing what you're thinking. and that was that phrase absolutely. nobody phrase. no, absolutely. nobody has prove anything if you're has to prove anything if you're charged it's up charged with something. it's up to prosecution to prove so to the prosecution to prove so that the people are sure that the person did it. you don't have to prove anything. and the form of language. what's happenedis form of language. what's happened is trump popularity as

a has with a result has soared with his supporters . he predicted last supporters. he predicted last week that if i get charged and arrested , everybody will rise up arrested, everybody will rise up in my favour and that's exactly what's happening. so what's happening. it's so dangerous, though, i think for a an administration to be so blatantly seeking to provoke, so many people to do goodness knows what, so that they can then be able response that is monstrously irresponsible . but monstrously irresponsible. but andifs monstrously irresponsible. but and it's also naive i mean, to a lot naivete you turn around and say if you do this it's very predictable what's going to happen, what you're going to do. you're not going to turn people off. trump the people who are supporters will supporters of trump will continue him. continue supporting him. he's always the victim. always said he's the victim. it's this it's all political and all this is playing his hands on is playing into his hands on that one. yeah, we've got a break upon us, after which we will be joined by the inimitable george galloway to discuss whether the united nations is still fit for purpose. see you in a few minutes.

welcome back to nearly all of our life or the situation. oh, no, sorry . last week there were no, sorry. last week there were stories about russia running so short of ammunition for its war in ukraine, it was seeking to buy from korea . on the other buy from korea. on the other hand, there were reports that the city of bakhmut was in imminent danger of to imminent danger of falling to russian forces and that ukrainian forces were about to be destroyed. very hard to get a handle on what's going on at the same time. there's talk of the geopolitical tectonic shifting under our feet and the emergence of a new multipolar world. but we're going to come to that story later in the show. i think there are some technical difficulties of difficulties getting hold of george . now each time my wife george. now each time my wife was pregnant with our children, three of them, she was instructed to be ultra careful about anything she put into her body. soft cheese was owt i

remember. she stayed away from all medicines, even over—the—counter painkillers. and so when the brand new products offered as vaccines against covid appeared, it seemed inconceivable to me that they would be pushed on pregnant women. and yet they were . they women. and yet they were. they were also pushed on babies from six months old. i'm joined next this evening by dr. jim thorpe . this evening by dr. jim thorpe. he's an obstetrician and gynaecology . just the 44 years gynaecology. just the 44 years standing special rising in maternal and foetal medicine . maternal and foetal medicine. and i'm also joined, first of all, by dr. rulon salmon, consultant epidemiology specialising in communicable diseases . good evening, roland. diseases. good evening, roland. are you there . hello dr. salmon, are you there. hello dr. salmon, are you with me ? there you are. are you with me? there you are. yes. can you hear me? i can hear you . and i'm struggling to hear. you. and i'm struggling to hear. dr. salmon, is there any way that i dr. salmon, is there any way thati can dr. salmon, is there any way that i can increase the volume on the good doctor ? dr. salmon.

on the good doctor? dr. salmon. justification. was it for. that's okay. i've got, you know , what justification was there for giving a new product like these vaccines with no long term safety testing to pregnant women and thereby to the babies inside them ? well there was a lot of them? well there was a lot of good evidence that pregnant women who got covid had a much worse outcome than otherwise healthy women of the same age. there were about twice as likely to end up in intensive care, twice as likely to be ventilated , and about three times as likely to die . so it was quite likely to die. so it was quite reasonable , i believe, to regard reasonable, i believe, to regard them as therefore being in a risk group. now you're quite right. in many ways it's not ideal to have to use a completely novel vaccine, but i think in this occasion the risks probably merited it. there's been follow up of been considerable follow up of the use of this vaccine, not least in the united kingdom and not least by the uk health security agency, which is not always a body that i would necessarily . i think they've necessarily. i think they've done well and they followed up .

done well and they followed up. nearly a million pregnant women and some 300,000 of which have have plus of which have been vaccinated . and what they find vaccinated. and what they find is that rates of prematurity , is that rates of prematurity, stillbirth and what's called like for so in the modern parlance, small for gestational age is lower and often significantly lower in the groups that have been vaccinated. so although i'm very sceptical like you on the issue about the use of the vaccine in healthy adults and younger people, i do think there's a very reasonable case for regarding pregnant women as a risk group. and for them there is a case for using the vaccine . but why? as i said in the in the introduction to the topic has always been the case hasn't it? in the case of obstetrics , it? in the case of obstetrics, in the case of the obstetricians and midwives handle it. pregnant women. that it's all a risk benefit analysis , isn't it. you benefit analysis, isn't it. you know that. why would you necessarily intervene with this woman at all up to and including a great deal of caution around,

you know, every day medicines and everyday foodstuffs . why in and everyday foodstuffs. why in that context was ever contemplated that you would put novel products largely untested into pregnant women? it's just not done. not it wasn't previously . well i think the previously. well i think the simple answer that is because the risk was that much higher, and that was a means of preventing it. so it was used. now, you might reasonably say to me that we don't know what the longer term consequences of this might be, nor could we have done. on the other hand, there were some immediate problems that needed to be addressed and were addressed by doing this. i think that's a reasonable decision to have been made, and i think we have to be a little bit that we might find bit careful that we might find ourselves deterring people ourselves here deterring people who benefit from this , who would benefit from this, from actually coming forward and getting it. one of the not to mention the spin off into other vaccine preventable diseases . i vaccine preventable diseases. i think one of the problems this whole furore around covid

vaccinating , some of which as vaccinating, some of which as i say i think is entirely justified as hard as it's undermined what was previously a relatively transparent means of recommending vaccine in the united kingdom , and one that united kingdom, and one that actually for very good reasons was largely trusted. and i think that's actually extremely unfortunate . the latest booster unfortunate. the latest booster is shortly to be on offer at. i presume you approve . even even presume you approve. even even in the face of so much. in the way of reporting of adverse effects life changing effects and deaths. would you still be in that context , and deaths. would you still be in that context, in favour of this large scale vaccination ? i this large scale vaccination? i mean, my understanding of the recommendations for boosters thus far is that they are being concentrated, at least at this point in time , on those people point in time, on those people who are measurably much higher risk, the very elderly , and risk, the very elderly, and particularly those living in an institutional care. and those people with into current illnesses that make them particularly vulnerable. and i think that's perfectly

reasonable. i have always thought the extension of the vaccination to certainly under thirties and particularly the under 16 who aren't in a position very readily to make a decision for themselves, was foolish . and one of the low foolish. and one of the low points for me in the among several in the whole covid story was when the four chief medical officers decided to get together to overrule the joint committee on vaccination and immunisation when they had said, no, we shouldn't be vaccinating 12 to 16 year olds. that seemed to me to essentially undermine the position of professional advice and look suspicious . see, like and look suspicious. see, like they've been leaned on by the special advisers in the midst of civil servants to give a get out of jail free card to the politicians who are getting pressure from different areas as politicians want to do things like that. i think realistically you accept that that's what will happen, but at least let them make the political case and take the response ability for it. we're having problems connecting to jim thorpe and florida.

to dr. jim thorpe and florida. andrew aibel, you've been listening to that . dr. simon and listening to that. dr. simon and seeing after all that we've had , after all the justifiable concern around these products , concern around these products, appreciators of vaccines. what is your reaction? just as a reasonable man to this ongoing insistence on the use of them? i have a real problem with this whole situation. i'll tell you why is that? everybody but everybody has become an expert. i've become virologist . i've become a virologist. everybody's got medical knowledge . the difficulty that knowledge. the difficulty that we that the experts we have is that the experts don't agree on the dangerous is when you talk out against it, you get shut down or you get fines and so on and so forth. and to be clear, i've been handed all sorts of information. i'll things are false and everything else. the nhs at the moment saying the moment they're saying the vaccine they're both safe vaccine and they're both safe and recommended. vaccine and they're both safe andthis, recommended. vaccine and they're both safe andthis, got recommended. vaccine and they're both safe andthis, got my)mmended. vaccine and they're both safe andthis, got my mind nded. vaccine and they're both safe andthis, got my mind and. got this, got my mind and floated over unto evil. and if you, if you bear with me, don't touch thought you touch them. thought are you there? much there? finally, after much effort. . jim i there? finally, after much effort. .jim i do not effort. jim hello. jim i do not necessarily have too much time with tell me, was your

with you. tell me, what was your reaction when you realised that these products sold as vaccines were to be given to pregnant women . are you directing that women. are you directing that question to make sure i am dr. thought? yes yes . well, this is thought? yes yes. well, this is unprecedented in the history of medicine. never, ever have we ruled out . a experimental gene ruled out. a experimental gene treatment and never had it tested and rolled it out globally in pregnancy. this is breaking the sacrosanct golden rule of pregnancy. this is unprocessed, unprocessed and this is a most egregious violation of medical ethics in the history of the world. and this was a fait accompli . there this was a fait accompli. there was no safety data . in fact, was no safety data. in fact, there was very data which the us government was aware of and the whole world should have been aware of. on february 28, 2021,

it was a lethal drug . it was the it was a lethal drug. it was the most lethal drug or medicine ever rolled out in the history of medicine, according to pfizer's own data was killing 100 people a week for the first 12 weeks of rollout . on page 12 weeks of rollout. on page seven of the pfizer, 5.3 points, six postmarketing data. everyone had that the government hasn't . had that the government hasn't. what did you see happening ? dr. what did you see happening? dr. thorpe thought you know, you're you've 44 years you've been in the field of obstetrics and gynaecology working in the fields of maternal and foetal medicine. what did you see? you witnessed the rule of this this product . it's witnessed the rule of this this product. it's a disaster. i've seen almost 26,000 patients in the high risk of to be patients in the last 40 years. 3 to 4 years it's been running disaster. shortly after the roll out, there was a massive increase in very , very severe

increase in very, very severe menstrual abnormalities during pregnancy . after the vaccine was pregnancy. after the vaccine was rolled out , there was a massive rolled out, there was a massive increase in pregnancy complications since and this was not related to covid 19 because these didn't happen in 2020. you are you able to put numbers on it can you can you can you give proportions, you know, compared to the world of before and the and the world after the rule began?i and the world after the rule began? i can and we just published peer reviewed the most important work in publication of my career . and i've had over to my career. and i've had over to well over 200. so what we did was we took the fda and cdc , the was we took the fda and cdc, the governmental data and as per the cdc and the fda, we did it exactly as per their biased recommendation options, which is comparing novel vaccine with that of established vaccine and that's treating because it's not

really a placebo. and even the well—established vaccines has injury and death associated with it . so we used exactly their it. so we used exactly their protocol and we hung them with their own rope, so to speak . so their own rope, so to speak. so we used the influenza vaccine, which was in the united states of america, which was recommended and approved for the use of pregnancy in late 1997. so our study began 1998, january 1st, continued until june 30 with 2022, 282 months of employ as a vaccine in pregnancy experience compared with the novel vaccine. covid 19, only 18 months of treatment and what we, the cdc and the fda uses a risk ratio of twofold as are dangerous signal. ratio of twofold as are dangerous signal . and again this dangerous signal. and again this is the government data. this is

not the june 3rd to date or peter mccall is data. so the government data , we didn't see government data, we didn't see a two fold increase. we saw such massive increases that we had to convert the x—axis to a logarithmic axis. so we saw , for logarithmic axis. so we saw, for example, almost a 1200 fold increase in severe menstrual abnormal allergies, a 57 fold increase in miscarriage, a 38 fold increase in foetal death . fold increase in foetal death. and i have 15 other major pregnancy complications that were far exceeded . the cdc and were far exceeded. the cdc and the fda signals, including . bear the fda signals, including. bear with me. bear with me, dr. dr. simon, how do you respond ? how simon, how do you respond? how do you react to hearing figures like that, that kind of fall , like that, that kind of fall, that kind of orders of magnitude of increase in in very troubling consequences ? well i mean, consequences? well i mean, i have read dr. thorpe's paper ,

have read dr. thorpe's paper, which is hopefully available as a preprint. i'd have to say there are eight or nine other peer reviewed papers that don't find the same thing from another number of other countries in the world canada, israel, the united kingdom, us, i think the kingdom, the us, i think the central problem i have with dr. thorpe's paper is it seems very to me that the reporting rate for influenza complicates science. is anything like the reporting rate for covid complications . why do i say complications. why do i say that? because the american reporting system is a passive surveillance system. and one thing that we know about that is that actually driven that those are actually driven by the amount of coverage that is occurring and things like the news media. so it's very likely that much higher levels of covid complication were reported. there's also i think the number of influenza vaccinations that are being proposed, which i think is actually a cdc estimate, seems to be unusually high. certainly, if you were to relate the uk experience to the us and there are also i mean, i think dr. thorpe actually says

he's a recognised of respect, his experience that he went through these case reports himself. i don't see him mentioning having used any pre case definitions for what he's looking at. the problem with thatis looking at. the problem with that is that though i don't doubt for a moment his integrity and enthusiasm and when he approached that task . if you approached that task. if you don't set yourself some criteria , it's very easy to fall into the trap of i have to i have to give why clinical trials, for example , are always blinded . i example, are always blinded. i have to give that. i have to give that point to have to give that point dr. thought to let that point to dr. thought to let me respond to that. dr. thorpe, i just recommend vaccination. hold hold on, hold on, dr. simon. hold on, hold on. dr. simon. dr. thought, how you feel about having the how do you feel about having the premise your of your paper premise of your of your paper contradicted in that way or challenged ? oh, i'm i'm i was challenged? oh, i'm i'm i was excited to be challenged, but i think that we have the cart before the horse here. but what doneis before the horse here. but what done is we have absolute for

certain data from pfizer internal documents. it has validated. nobody can question those. so the roll out of this dangerous gene therapy pregnancy , there was never any data . the , there was never any data. the only data they had death and danger and injuries data straight from the company. so now the roll out in pregnancy was fait accompli. the notion of a coronary england journal medicine article was a complete fraudulent manipulated data that pushed the vaccine throughout the entire world. so you can't go back with fake medical, military industrial complex that changes all the journals they can publish a lot of 10 to 15 studies now of pure trash and manipulate it data that is biased because they're owned by the farmers record companies. stay with me, gentlemen . both

stay with me, gentlemen. both gentlemen, if you would, stay with me, i'm going to have to go to break, but i'd like you to stay with me and we'll pick this discussion up again after after the break. don't go away

welcome back, everyone, to neil of life or in the middle of a discussion here with dr. thorpe and dr. roland salmon about the impact of the products pitched as vaccines on pregnant women and babies . dr. thorpe, i think and babies. dr. thorpe, i think you're still with me. i'm happy to see that . is there any way of to see that. is there any way of knowing, seeing what the implications might be for the babies who were born to women who took these products? are we seeing that yet ? you know , yes, seeing that yet? you know, yes, it's very concerning . very, very it's very concerning. very, very concerning outcomes. the fertility rates are dramatically

decreased . the pregnancy loss decreased. the pregnancy loss rate is dramatically increased . rate is dramatically increased. there's an increase of premature delivery. there is a massive increase in premature admission deliveries. babies admitted to the icu. i want to make it really clear that 1223 dead people . after the vaccine in the people. after the vaccine in the first 90 days of rollout on page seven of pfizer internal document and then on page 12, the catastrophic pregnancy outcomes from . pfizer's own data outcomes from. pfizer's own data is unacceptable. you can't right this ship? no matter how many tainted, biased , fake fraud tainted, biased, fake fraud studies you publish in the medical industrial complex , it's medical industrial complex, it's captured in journals . dr. salmon captured in journals. dr. salmon , very strong words from dr.

thorpe there, but it does seem hard to challenge the data that's in pfizer. us own data. after all, they did try to withhold for 55 or 75 years or whatever it was, which was only finally released after court action . yeah. i'm not going to action. yeah. i'm not going to sit here to be in the apologist for the pharmaceutical industry, certainly, but you know, the uk health security agency has diligently followed up pregnant is in england. those who have been vaccinated not been vaccinated and demonstrated benefit. i personally don't believe them to be in the pay of the military industrial complex though. dr. thorpe may may i guess, think differently about that. guess, think differently about that . my question to guess, think differently about that. my question to him would , that. my question to him would, given what we know and i don't think this is in dispute about the outcomes when women, pregnant women are infected with covid and the elevated risks they run of stillbirth of maternal death, of prematurity . maternal death, of prematurity. do you not think something ought to be done to mitigate that risk

and if you're not proposing to vaccinate them ? what are you vaccinate them? what are you proposing to do? well, dr. syme, thank you very much. i really, really appreciate your your collegial interaction here. i really appreciate you and i really appreciate you and i really respect you and honour you for coming on. i think that you for coming on. i think that you have a little bit of misperception here. i'm an expert on maternal foetal medicine specialists . there was medicine specialists. there was a long consultation . pregnancy a long consultation. pregnancy does not increase the risk. i have absolutely incontrovertible data that, for example , foetal data that, for example, foetal death was not increased in 2020. it didn't start until after the vaccine rollout . i have vaccine rollout. i have whistleblower data from all over the world and i can i can assure you that pregnant women are not at risk for covid 19. in fact , at risk for covid19. in fact, their risk is mitigated and the best study was performed on the maternal foetal medicine specialist, university of texas houston , and recently published houston, and recently published with a large us series ever in

the world on covid 19 and pregnancy and birth panel style. was that the risk of a pregnant woman dying was markedly less of a man. pregnant woman . and then a man. pregnant woman. and then furthermore, dr. simon, it was a completely . again, i totally completely. again, i totally respect you . this is not aimed respect you. this is not aimed at you . this is aimed at the at you. this is aimed at the medical industrial complex. it is completely fraudulent . it was is completely fraudulent. it was never necessary . it was never never necessary. it was never safe. and it was never effective in pregnancy. i've been using hydroxychloroquine and pregnancy for 44 years and so has every other physician in the united states of america and the cdc and fda previously publish on the website just how and effective it was a pregnant seat for four autoimmune diseases and children. so listen, the science is in the amazon. it children. so listen, the science is in the amazon . it was never is in the amazon. it was never indicated really for any population because we have a massive numbers of safe and effective treatment with early

outpatient therapy over 99% successful. treat over 300,000 patients have been treated by 93 doctor .com with a cure rate of . 99.99. only six deaths out of those 300,000 the sciences in the vaccine was another necessary and it shows how it's never necessary in pregnancy . never necessary in pregnancy. dr. simon. do you do you feel at all listening to dr. do you feel at all that the information that you've been invited to trust was not trustworthy that you were reading in good faith ? actually reading in good faith? actually i don't. and i hope this isn't just me being obstinate, but there's a process by which we come to accept that medical information. and that's the process of clinical studies and peer reviews . and i'm both peer reviews. and i'm both a clinical doctor and admittedly is retired now as well as a

medical epidemiologist. is retired now as well as a medical epidemiologist . and the medical epidemiologist. and the nine or ten studies on this subject matter analysis that have come through that process actually fundamentally disagree with what dr. thorp is saying . with what dr. thorp is saying. now, i accept that there may be other studies out there that contradict this. that's generally the way with science, but it seems to me those people from, you know, reputable academic institutions who taken the trouble to synthesise it in the trouble to synthesise it in the way that i would know and recognise, don't come to the same conclusions unless i'm going to radically change my frame of reference rather suddenly for the time being. as much as i appreciate his courtesy in his approach, i'm not going to agree with him ehhen not going to agree with him either. last word to dr. thought before i have to cut this . yes. before i have to cut this. yes. so i certainly respect collegial dialogue, but i can tell you that there's well over 30 other completely independent sources globally that completely

corroborate our data. you cannot come in with fake science after the fact, after they've committed the sin of what they've done and try to legitimise it. you can't do that. there's listen, all of the other sources in the world, the uk yellow card, the european medical agencies, you could vigilance, the who. oh, vijay access all of these show the exact same thing that our government data shows don't care. right. this huge mistake by publishing a false mandate killing it down data the very safe data system in the united states of america is being hidden from our people . it's hidden from our people. it's over 10 million people and 7% of all the population . and that got all the population. and that got the vaccine required a hospital visit or a doctor visit. and another 25% missed work or missed school. that is 33% of

all comers that take the vaccine had significant, complicated jobs. this is unacceptable . it's jobs. this is unacceptable. it's a sham. and the united states government is corrupted and they're not giving this information to the american people. doctors, doctors, both , people. doctors, doctors, both, thank you very much for your very polite and courteous debate this evening . dr. very polite and courteous debate this evening. dr. jim very polite and courteous debate this evening . dr. jim thorpe and this evening. dr. jim thorpe and florida and dr. roland simon, thank you very much for your time. coming up, i'll get to talk about hobby miniature railway scene a couple of minutes . there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

welcome back to neil oliver live as god is my judge, i will have a conversation with george galloway at some point, but not week. that's too much to be rearranged. okay well, not yet. run out of steam, though, and we're on our train event. new tv series hornby model world has been taking viewers behind the scenes of the world of model

railways for the past eight weeks, finding out the fascination the fixation fascination behind the fixation of some of the uk's biggest model train collectors, some of the enthusiast like model the most enthusiast like model collectors also well known collectors are also well known celebrity pete celebrity tees with pete waterman starting alongside has praised a model collections in the final two episodes of the current series. let's take a look at him and it in action . look at him and it in action. okay there we are. there's some on himself busily at work recreating reality in in that in that space. he joins me to tell us all about it now. good evening, pete . good evening. how evening, pete. good evening. how are you ? i'm very well, thanks. are you? i'm very well, thanks. good to see your face. how did your interest in this particular pursuit, this hobby, this pastime, begin . 1948, i had my pastime, begin. 1948, i had my first training set of never had

one ever since. is it just a case of buying and assembling and putting it together or or do you or do you get deeper the process than given time ? oh no. process than given time? oh no. rebuild everything . i mean, rebuild everything. i mean, other than the actual hobby engines, i mean, for me, it's not collecting. it's about building and researching and getting absolutely perfect . and getting absolutely perfect. and what you saw that in that clip was my workshop. and every year we build a giant railway at the chester cathedral for the school holidays of people to come and play holidays of people to come and play with it and that's what it's all about me. it's like get people to enjoy playing with it, but don't touch , you know, it's but don't touch, you know, it's taken us 100 years to build it. it's that's what it's about coming out . have fun, enjoy it. coming out. have fun, enjoy it. it strikes me it strikes me that it's surely a completely different experience to be with something real with the generations coming through at

the moment, experience everything on a screen , whereas everything on a screen, whereas to be in a space, as you're describing, with actual equipment that actually moves is altogether different. yes. yeah so what we do do is we give them a tablet. so the tablet is a technical side, if you like, and they can drive the real trains and the kids just type to that straightaway because they instantly know to what do with a mobile phone or a tablet and can see that they the joy enjoy when they get from that actually seeing something move in front of them and being able to walk around. and of course being kids, you know, the first thing they do is they open the throttle as fast as it can go and they want to do it. two, the 90 miles an hour. that's all they can, they just want to see it under . are you are it crashed under. are you are you reassured by the by pete's testimony that they're still children coming through it, given this opportunity? bill, grab it with me. i love it. i

love the idea of getting people's faces out of screens. and i know pete is a fanatic about this stuff. i mean, he even named, i think, a boring machine for the boring machine for the high speed railway. dorothy i'm not quite sure what you had against dorothy, but that she was. she was a scientist from coventry , which scientist from coventry, which is why they named it dorothy is a social activity, pete because i'm sure a lot of people imagine that it's people who are quite an introvert . are we in attics an introvert. are we in attics and basements , you know, and basements, you know, pursuing this kind of activity , pursuing this kind of activity, or is that a community, a lively community? oh, is that neil? it's about it's a vacuum . is it? it's about it's a vacuum. is it? it's about it's a vacuum. is it? i mean, one of the things that technology is does is lead people to build model railways. and what totally , you know, on and what totally, you know, on technology and not even go into the room to play with them. and i say, why ? why? that's not the i say, why? why? that's not the point. the point is you're with your mates and you have in a crack, you're enjoying yourself

, are having fun, you're giving each other information, piece . each other information, piece. it's lovely stuff. pete lovely stuff. lovely to see you. to great hear about something real in artificial world. my in an artificial world. my thanks to

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