and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments. channel telegraph. and welcome to gb views on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next 2 hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics that hitting the headunes the big topics that hitting the headlines right now . this show headlines right now. this show is all about it's mine, it's theirs and of course, it's yours. will be debating, discussing and it's telling us we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today , i've got thomas, the today, i've got thomas, the fourth broadcaster and author christine hamilton, also broadcaster and journalist danny

kelly. also before that, i'll be joined by former brexit martin daubney and also former adviser to jeremy corbyn james inaya. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . then, nana, news headlines. then, nana, thank you very much. good afternoon. it's 3:00. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the latest from the gb newsroom, the port. dover says passengers still facing waits of up to 8 hours. that's as it tries clear the backlog of easter traffic. it ran extra ferry services overnight right after declaring a critical yesterday . well, our a critical yesterday. well, our national reporter, theo tacoma is in dover for us. theo, what's the latest where you are . it's the latest where you are. it's the latest where you are. it's the third day of delays here at the third day of delays here at the port of dover. many using lorries cause and more have been trying to get into the port to make their journey across the channel to calais. yesterday,

the have announced that around three coaches managed to get on to the ferries to but today they've been standing still for hours . i spoke to a teacher hours. i spoke to a teacher earlier with around 80 students teenagers looking get to italy for a skiing trip but they've been for here hours on end without much communication when they are going to be moving. many those students have been coming out of the coaches into the town to spend some time there getting and so on, because they're simply been in coaches since then the port have said they do apologise, that they're trying to rectify this situation which is affecting passengers here particularly in processing and of course on the other side on the french side as well. it's not clear when they'll begin to move , but they have been here move, but they have been here pretty much all day. we understand the coach right to the front has been around here for about 15 hours and is still here. and many of those passengers be hoping they can get on the ferry as soon as

possible for trips abroad possible for their trips abroad . theo, thank you once again for that update . that's our national that update. that's our national reporter theo chikomba there for us in dover . reporter theo chikomba there for us in dover. the home secretary says political correctness is to blame for failures in dealing grooming gangs. suella braverman is to introduce new measures tomorrow to tackle child sexual abuse. tomorrow to tackle child sexual abuse . writing in the mail on abuse. writing in the mail on sunday, she says those working with children have a legal duty to report or suspicions of sexual abuse. it follows independent inquiry. last year describes sexual abuse of as an epidemic . parliamentary epidemic. parliamentary under—secretary state for safeguarding sarah dines says this is a scourge on our society. cards in making sure that people are protected. children are the most vulnerable part of our society as as the elderly. we must make sure that they're not sexually abused. so i accept we're going to be i don't accept we're going to be rife false reports. that rife with false reports. that may one or two. and they be may be one or two. and they be dean may be one or two. and they be dealt in identified the

dealt with in identified the overwhelming people that gave evidence speaking truth evidence of speaking the truth to inquiry . and it was very to the inquiry. and it was very heartbreaking testimony . we need heartbreaking testimony. we need to . a 55 year old man has to act. a 55 year old man has died being hit by a van outside a pub in cramlington . a pub in cramlington. northumbria police says it's received reports two men had been struck by a van outside the bay horse pub last night. man died at the scene a second. also 55 years old. remains in hospital. three people have been arrested on suspicion of murder and remain in custody . three and remain in custody. three british men are being held in taliban custody in afghanistan . taliban custody in afghanistan. they include holiday maker routledge, who had to be rescued from kabul by british forces less than two years ago. a humanitarian network assisting charity medic kevin cornwell and a second unnamed man says it believes are in good health and are being treated well. the foreign office says working hard to make contact them passport office workers launching a five

week strike from tomorrow as part of a bitter dispute . jobs, part of a bitter dispute. jobs, pay, part of a bitter dispute. jobs, pay, pensions and. more than a thousand members of the public and commercial services union across sites are set to walk out . they'll mount picket lines outside offices, including glasgow , row, liverpool, london glasgow, row, liverpool, london and newport. in wales. the pc general secretary has written to the government calling for urgent talks in a bid to resolve the. anthony joshua has won his heavyweight fight against franklin. the british champion but in a somewhat laboured display at the o2 arena in london last night, securing a unanimous points victory in 12 rounds. if joshua's time back in the ring since losing to oleksandr usyk last august earning him his 25th professional win . after the professional win. after the fight, he said a battle of britain with tyson fury is now the fight. the boxing world. what can say.7 it's an honour.

it's a win, of course, what we train for. but that's our fight. loses he said, describing it. and come again. i'm going to stop fighting. i'm pressure on myself and just work hard and do myself and just work hard and do my best. that's i can do and. the pope has led a palm sunday service in rome a day after being sent home from hospital with bronchitis . around 30,000 with bronchitis. around 30,000 people came to watch pope francis opening easter celebrations , which marked the celebrations, which marked the start of holy . the 86 year old start of holy. the 86 year old was driven to some square in vatican city , sitting in the vatican city, sitting in the back of an open car, passing through the crowds . the pope was through the crowds. the pope was taken to hospital on wednesday complaining of breathing , but complaining of breathing, but he's now returned home to vatican city city . this is a gb vatican city city. this is a gb news will. more news as it happens. now back to another .

happens. now back to another. good afternoon is fast approaching 7 minutes after 3:00. this is good news on tv, onune 3:00. this is good news on tv, online and digital with me. i'm not a square . now, coming up on not a square. now, coming up on today's show following, social media influencers and, detectives, brother tristan is released from prison , from home released from prison, from home arrest . what do you think is and arrest. what do you think is and do you take the poster boy for toxic masculinity to control personal influence and continues to proclaim innocence? but is he a truly good role model for young men and boys? and then, of course, secretary. so what course, home secretary. so what a brave man has come under fire after that is after saying that rwanda is a safe refugees. this safe country. refugees. this comes as after it was revealed that 12 asylum seekers living at a camp in rwanda were a refugee camp in rwanda were shot police for shot dead by police for protesting about conditions. home secretary also announced a new law that will soon make it mandatory for people who work with children to report child abuse or prosecution. the laws to combat grooming gangs and following the fallout . keir

following the fallout. keir starmer failed to define what a woman is he has he now promised now promised the support of laboun now promised the support of labour. what do you think? what do you think? do you them? that is despite labour and peace whipped vote for the snp's whipped to vote for the snp's gender reform bill in scotland earlier this year. so does labour still have a woman problem. we'll also be talking about landlords who are set to be by further costs over the next few years as they're going to be blocked from letting properties unless they upgrade meet efficiency meet net zero energy efficiency targets within the next five years. minister say will have to improve energy performance improve their energy performance of or face fines of of properties or face fines of up to £30,000. so is it time ? up to £30,000. so is it time? stop this nonsense . and then stop this nonsense. and then don't forget. stay tuned. my monologue will be on the way. we'll be talking about labour, its women problem. i you to its women problem. i want you to stay me. that's at 4:00. stay with me. that's at 4:00. all way. tell me what all is on the way. tell me what you think and everything. what is discussing? email gb views at gbnews.uk tweet me at gb gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. right. it was a kick

things off with home secretary to the press. and now she's set to the press. and now she's set to reveal a new law that will down on grooming gangs where those who work with children will be forced to report child abuse or face prosecution . i abuse or face prosecution. i actually thought there was a law that existed anyway, so it seems to me that they aren't doing what supposed do. now what they're supposed to do. now this recommendation this follows the recommendation made last year by the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse . the home secretary sexual abuse. the home secretary has also insisted that rwanda is a safe place . the incident in a safe place. the incident in 2018 whereby 12 asylum seekers were shot dead by police in. rwanda in the rwandan refugee camp. so is it safe people to go outside and seek us? well, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel , former mep martin to my panel, former mep martin daubney and also gb news, presenter and also former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james naidu. james, welcome. thank and also martin, welcome. so, listen, i want to talk about really talk about what happened and her plans with regard i

mean, do you want to start with we start with actually the grooming gangs because i know thatis grooming gangs because i know that is a subject that you have spoken passionately about . what spoken passionately about. what are thoughts on the plans are your thoughts on the plans that she's it's well that she's making? it's well overdue that she's speaking out on this and it's massively overdue politically is overdue that politically is being tackled. it's one of the greatest stains on recent british history, the total abandon of ostensibly very underprivileged white working class girls from the north, from the midlands, from unfashionable , which just happened mainly to have labour councils in place. and the evidence manifold that time after time, the police turned a blind eye. they were they were afraid of being called racist because, again, the data isn't racist was mainly british pakistani men preying on white working class girls. those are just the facts. the facts racist. and it became real hot potato . local councils, local potato. local councils, local police force, social services . police force, social services. and that is all it's put the

headin and that is all it's put the head in the sand. not only for the fear of being called racist. but i think to shore up their votes very dependent on the base of the ethnic minorities communities. and this will be a stink. didn't to stink. they just didn't want to come out to expose as a consequence . thousands of girls consequence. thousands of girls have their lives destroyed forever by this and i've spoken with some of these these young women. i campaigned a lot across yorkshire, west yorkshire, where it was happening and it was a total betrayal of those individuals. and this is long, long overdue. but like you, i'm amazed that you need amazed that you don't need a full background check on child abuse to work with children. the first one i thought you to first one i thought you had to check cinema. i thought there was something going on. what's your so you your thoughts on this? so you write is write that there already is statutory obligation to things. and i think what was that was a report last year. and i think what they recommend that and what they recommend that and what we imagine will come forward is that that's toughened a bit. so not you have an obligation, but if don't, obligation, but if you don't, then there's some thing which is a like in france had the

a bit like in france had the good samaritans law. so if some crime happens near you and you don't do anything about, it that's that itself is a that's it. that itself is a crime. not an expert. so crime. i'm not an expert. so don't know if that's precisely the right thing, seems on the right thing, but it seems on the right thing, but it seems on the of it, if that was the face of it, if that was recommended in the report and that would help. but on the on the gangs and the ethnic identity of perpetrators is of horrific child sex, sexual exploitation , the ethnic ity exploitation, the ethnic ity should not matter in the slightest. and own people go on and i don't think that a good thing that suella braverman in bringing up what could be a very good and necessary reform and i hope there's a wider range of packages because i don't think just changing this law will do there should be a whole range of other other done to other other things done to prevent the this terrible exploitation . but to suggest exploitation. but to suggest that this is primarily a problem

of one particular community run against another particular community is not what the evidence is borne out. say example the evidence because you said it's not what they said they thought it was but you tell me why. so there was a in 2020 there was a home office study done look into exactly this done to look into exactly this which there is no which found that there is no correlation in the data . the correlation in the data. the perpetrators of child sexual exploitation and ethnicity. in other words , people of all other words, people of all ethnicities , all and all ethnicities, all and all backgrounds are perpetrators of this also. okay you can have time. so i'm going to say something, you know, now i've listened. and now it's my turn. okay so that isn't really the point, is it? point of the matter is that is matter is that this is a description of the kind of people who are perpetrating this specific crime specific and this specific crime has perpetrated mostly in the main english main by pakistani english pakistani muslims . that is a pakistani muslims. that is a fact. it's not because they're pakistani. the perpetrating . it pakistani. the perpetrating. it is just a fact of the case. yeah. and you are you're quite

right. say, in a majority white country , majority people who country, majority of people who are committing sex crimes all white, same as in nigeria, be black. the the matter black. but the point the matter is a blind eye to it is turning a blind eye to it perfectly , clearly. on the perfectly, clearly. and on the ground terms of the police ground in terms of the police force is specific to this incident. so no no eye no finding to such crimes should ever , should ever happen. well, ever, should ever happen. well, that's what the of course and there's a whole range of other things. for example that case a report into the met it found that far too few police officers who deal with these these cases have had specialist training it there's a whole range of things, but when the. yes the majority are all white, white, british, child, sexual who committed child, sexual who committed child child sexual exploitation because the majority of people in the country but they are if what you're saying is the case you would find that this report overrepresentation of other groups actually what you find out the home office report in 2020is out the home office report in 2020 is that there isn't a

specific statistical areas where we agree there is something for a long time. the point is every single case of, paedophilia, a child exploitation should be should be pursued with the full force of the law. that's the point. it isn't happening. that's what it's not about who does wrong. it's about the response when it happened . response when it happened. agreed, and the response when it has been mollycoddling cotton wool and arms length because the fallout politically and in terms of damaging the vote base in areas such as rotherham , areas such as rotherham, rochdale, hartlepool we can reel off all of these poor towns across britain. the fact of the matter is you are right in the data, but the data isn't. tell the whole story. it's about the disproportion lack of political to will tackle it when it happens. this long overdue. well, let's see what comes out . well, let's see what comes out. some things are certainly are long. for example, the police who do who are dealing with these cases should get specialist training the backlog the delay dealing with the cases once it's reported to police has been expanding a lot that you

know there are a whole number of things but my point is if we focus purely you know you're saying politically in one way and i'm saying focusing politically in another way can blind us to dealing with what the wrong thing, which is what are the changes that could be made to law to policing practises to social services and so on that are going to make these kinds of disgusting, heinous crimes less likely on this particular, one of the things that could have been changed because of a saying worried about told that they were racists they actually withheld that information and hid . and so what it hid things. and so what it actually says that she suggests that pakistani community communities shielded the communities also shielded the abuses , saying they had been abuses, saying they had been a communal shutting in some areas. so this was really something that was within certain, a certain type of person within a certain type of person within a certain community committing certain community committing certain type of crime to a certain type of crime to a certain type of person . and certain type of person. and those things were relevant , i those things were relevant, i think. i think the way in which

she talking especially communities is in such a way that could demonise whole communities. what we're talking, let's say agreement and gloom gangs are not all from one particular community. for example, but we all. no, no, no, no. we are talking specifically about this case that we're talking about what this particular thing that suella braverman has highlighted and the within, the grooming gangs within, the community. she's talking community. so she's talking about but why is she about that. okay but why is she only talking about the ones that took place in that community? for example, what these are just an as a whole. there's a whole there's a whole host . these there's a whole host. these cases where there was long standing child sexual abuse of vulnerable people and that wasn't dealt with and they aren't at all from from people from we've all agreed. we've all agreed is not uniquely in pakistan and we agreed that about 10 minutes ago. the fact matter is that the response is

disproportionate. it's disproportionately soft against certain communities. it just is. and one thing i want to get across is this is the consequence of this poisonous identity pyramid that identity politics pyramid that the liberal left. what are we going to call them, invented which puts white working class girls at the bottom. they're invisible . they weren't helped. invisible. they weren't helped. they ignored. they were they were actually by labour politicians who said they were part of the problem and we have a system where they're that lives that the race them against them they ignore of their problem is deemed an because they've been placed on this hierarchy by by people who think that the concern of ethnic minorities matter more than theirs. that is the cancer the heart of all this. no i don't think that is right because . i think that is right because. i don't think that it was this supposed hierarchy , identity supposed hierarchy, identity politics that there is just right that cut services for vulnerable people , as has been vulnerable people, as has been happening for the last 13 years.

right. that wasn't done which which undoubtedly will have a material impact on things now. but listen, when we look at we're going have to move on with this. i just want to briefly ask, with regard to suella braverman and rwanda and whether you a safe country you think it's a safe country because, know, there was because, you know, there was incident really incident people haven't really highlighted it where refugees were in rwanda is were shot 12 killed in rwanda is . your view that rwanda is a safe ? i don't think we safe country? i don't think we should be sending people there now. well, i i don't now. why well, i mean, i don't think a country we be sending think as a country we be sending people away , outsourcing our people away, outsourcing our problem, also the in this problem, but also the in this case highlighted, you've got 12 people gunned down, but it's not safe. you know, where you put people that are here, you know , people that are here, you know, that's awful. well, as as we've discussed on this now, many times , i think that we should times, i think that we should properly resource so that we can process the cases quickly so that genuine asylum seekers who are the majority of people, where would they go? because we the majority of people, what we think is okay, has there been some terrible problem , 150,000

some terrible problem, 150,000 ukrainian refugees come here. have we suddenly run out on ourselves? there was a scheme that allowed people into that . that allowed people into that. and my point is, how many have saw have we suddenly run out of space? we'll suddenly run out of space? we'll suddenly run out of space if we helped . 20, 30, space if we helped. 20, 30, 40,000 more move vulnerable. more vulnerable people. now, how many people do you think are going to be sent to you? asking the answer precisely , are you the answer is precisely, are you asking questions? asking me questions? are you asking me questions? are you asking that can asking questions that you can asking questions that you can ask yourself? answered it ask yourself? i answered it precisely for asking precisely zero for asking question zero self. question precisely zero self. okay, me let answer the okay, well let me let answer the question. of questions question. one of the questions that well we can't doing that you ask well we can't doing that you ask well we can't doing that can there is a that they can we. there is a limit there. yeah. the best solution is to not leave these people arrive in the first place. if they are arriving into false pretences . we know is false pretences. we know is example with cyprus of the albanians now the vast majority economic migrants and they come from a safe country again we've had a conversation based on as far it's no far as rwanda goes, it's no surprise evidence will be surprise that evidence will be dug that underline fact, dug up. that to underline fact, is unsafe and unsuitable because the industry is

the immigration industry is worth millions of worth many many millions of pounds, are ngos, civil . pounds, there are ngos, civil. now, this is a huge industry now. they don't want immigrant immigration to that. i want asylum seekers to stop . they asylum seekers to stop. they don't want the borders to stop , don't want the borders to stop, you know, to be shorter. they want this to continue. it's a huge have to huge business. we have to understand that there's a huge vested is against vested interest which is against the of the democratic vote the will of the democratic vote of the nation, which is time and time says voted for time again says 2014 voted for stricter border controls is undermined by all of these activists . well, that's the activists. well, that's the final work on like want to say something to you? yeah. so about 20 seconds thing you want. 20 seconds thing if you want. stop being forcibly stop people being forcibly displaced. you have deal with the underlying causes of conflict of famine and of climate . those are the things climate. those are the things that are driving this. just all of that and if i could deal with all that, i just want to be great. but i suspect a few of you ask and i just can't afford it. right? you're with me. i'm not aware this gp news on tv onune not aware this gp news on tv online and on digital radio after break, we'll be

after the break, we'll be discussing whether keir starmer and the labour party an and the labour party has an issue. that go anywhere .

good afternoon. it's just coming to 25 minutes after 3:00. this is good news on tv online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel i'm nana akua. now the labour leader, sir keir starmer , has promised that his starmer, has promised that his party will not roll back on women's rights if they win the next general election , as he next general election, as he assures that 99.9% of women haven't got a penis. so you couldn't say a woman doesn't have a penis. you went to 99.9% to give a slight margin of error for. some people who want to say they're women when logically not all about people have any, i shouldn't go it. but this shouldn't go into it. but this is, despite the previous embarrassment i saw keir starmer fail to define a woman and

labour were whipped vote. labour mp were whipped to vote. the snp's gender recognition bill. so i'm going start with this. to start with, we thought it. martin let's start with you. you're not really a fan of . keir you're not really a fan of. keir starmer his biggest fan starmer i'm not his biggest fan . that's that's probably an understatement but the idea understatement. but the idea that labour has a women's problem is completely rubbish. and the well , the labour party's and the well, the labour party's , if you look backwards to previous actions and then forwards to what they're proposing, which ones are you saying specifically. so the labour brought in the equal pay act. when was in 1990, 74 to 29. got current labour change. the okay right there's market stalls there's the 2010 equality act. labour has majority female employees . they ever had a employees. they ever had a female leader. no, employees. they ever had a female leader . no, they haven't female leader. no, they haven't had a female, no. interestingly so. yeah, yeah. okay, fine. but labour have policies on childcare, on closing the gender

pay gap childcare, on closing the gender pay gap and so on and so forth. so labour doesn't do they could be doing much better being , more be doing much better being, more ambitious and more radical on on those two things, on gender pay gap, on childcare. yes, i do but they are doing and they're doing more than the more than the government . so can i just ask government. so can i just ask you because you said that you given some examples which were back in day, some of them where keir starmer wasn't the party and ifs keir starmer wasn't the party and it's specific only and i think it's specific only him we're focusing on what him that we're focusing on what about and about rosie duffield and the issue where she said that issue that where she said that women have a cervix or she agreed to the notion that women have a cervix then she was scared to go to her own conference because of that because. a whole there because. there was a whole there was sort of backlash. so was a whole sort of backlash. so that thing about that isn't the thing about women. about women. that's the thing about rosie duffield. so there's a there's a there's a different point because she said that women and the party women so said so. and the party the party conference was scared to go and that's people shouldn't be scared to go to a labour party conference. you know, it's not that fun a place, but that's not women are scared

to go to labour party conference that's rosie duffield because of some views that she that she holds that women have a survey it doesn't. well it's i mean that's not sole statement for why that people that's what our our critical of her okay people are critical of her because of her frequent statements which are opposed trans rights that's why people support trans rights won't give a statement that she has said that is that's a good point. that's why people are but give me a statement you've made. i don't have a statement off the top mind, but it comes back the previous point and that is in the pursuit of identity politics, labour party, the left, all of the left have decided that the rights certain people are more important, decided that the rights certain people are more important , the people are more important, the rights of others in this case the rights of 0.1% of the population on biologic . all men population on biologic. all men who decide the bodies of women who decide the bodies of women who decide the bodies of women who decide they want to have penis are more important . 51% of penis are more important. 51% of the population and that is women . and we saw this in scotland

when the gender recognition bill came forward . it destroyed the came forward. it destroyed the snp, brought down nicola snp, it brought down nicola sturgeon until point sturgeon and until point keystone was in total support of that piece of legislation . then that piece of legislation. then he saw it as disastrous and. he changed his mind. this is my problem with keir starmer. he's got more positions the got more positions than the kamasutra on brexit. on brexit he how he headed up the people's vote campaign for three years to reverse brexit. now he'll vote for the windsor framework without, even reading it right on gender. we've already saw that he's now deciding actually i better back 51. the population cause i might lose the election on on borders if cuba holds with little refugees. well comes sign suddenly he wants to get tough on borders. he's done a lot of focus and the red bull and he's not a politician with conviction . a guy one of those . he's a guy one of those chinese weather balloons. he goes wherever wind blows. it goes wherever the wind blows. it he does. is going to win. so he does. he is going to win. so pursuing votes, i think we all agree that cynically. i agree with that cynically. and i think shows the measure of think it shows the measure of the man just going to keep the man he's just going to keep

changing his to the changing his mind to say the right avoid to avoid right thing to avoid to avoid not offending a group of today and they got what about some people might argue that nought he's actually right that 99.9% of women don't have a but he was almost right it's 100% a women's almost right it's100% a women's penis biology and reality are more important than what trans activists are what keir starmer thinks and this is where the country is just losing its mind. most people would be looking on just aghast that we're even having this conversation. people are bothered about the heating bills. our open bills. they bothered our open borders these all borders and these idiots all being , assumed by by being concerned, assumed by by fringe issues that most people just roll their eyes and think can you please just get on with being adults running the being adults and running the country? say that isn't country? i would say that isn't for me a woman. that's not a fringe so that is fringe issue. so to me, that is a very important course. it is where someone might say, oh well, i'm woman, but they're well, i'm a woman, but they're a political. i accept people political. i accept the people some are trans. that's some people are trans. that's fine. i'm not a fine. that's i'm i've not got a problem with that. but the reason the sexes are reason why the sexes are separated because the separated because of the difference and

difference in strength and certain men certain attributes that men have, you name sex or have, whether you name sex or not, you know, biologically or whatever, you know, whether you've changed sex or not, what you've changed sex or not, what you can't do biologically, whether you've had the hormones or whatever, you're still you still advantages, still have the advantages, if that's was the that's right. and that was the ovary problem. that's the ovary problem. yeah, that's the overreach of modern overreach i think of the modern trans in sport you're trans movement in sport you're you're there's you're you're dead right there's clear biological advantage to being going being born male going through male hormones. male puberty male hormones. and then in terms of law and order placing , biological men who have placing, biological men who have been rapists like we saw in scotland into women's prisons, women's prison into women's prison walls, into women's prison walls, into women's into women's changing rooms, into girls spaces is fundamental wrong. and people that and politicians don't they're on a different planet. what do you think james that they're having an issue with this and they're having discussions about what a woman is why do you think that they're struggling with that? that struggling with that? i that in order to distract from the fact that most people are less well off than they were in 2005 that

bills are soaring, that the government has no clue how to deal with it. the only thing that seems you know what's going up along with bills and so on and so forth is the wealth of billionaires and the government has no interest in any of these things nor does majority things and nor does the majority of which is by of the media, which is by billionaires , benefit from billionaires who, benefit from exactly the same thing . so this exactly the same thing. so this is why these culture war issues get get pushed and get amplified and get pushed straight to the front of the agenda because it can get people mad and it takes up air time which is which is exactly what doing it now. keir starmer for all of his manifold faults right he he did not suddenly decide to invent . suddenly decide to invent. transport people, he didn't suddenly invent the laws that already exist . he didn't or he already exist. he didn't or he didn't invent . the question in didn't invent. the question in the british census 2020 into right so the not for fun so the

idea that this is an issue which keir starmer labour parties is pushing just isn't the case the we'd like the stuff that is the a these outrageous is which are being well let's see which are which are being drummed up. come in time come almost entirely from side of the culture. that's not culture. wars are designed to distract from the real struggle. it's not fair to women. and we need more men. we need more men to solve sticking up for women this issue. actually, fair. like, actually, it's not fair. like, say, 51% the population are say, 51% of the population are just being to culture war just being to a culture war issue. and right wing fascist women women, women on average more supportive of trans rights than men post in all of the polling yougov ipsos mori they've been up in that and in they've been up in that and in the other break in the break often find you find that find me analysis you the statistics just say something else it's just not fair to brush this to one side as keir starmer has invented this. the problem is in this. the problem is adults in the haven't time on the room haven't called time on this nonsense and just just spoken biological truth and

facts is that actually they said this is important a tiny minority people let's the one side and actually tackle real issues that matter in the country that's what needs be done. stay tuned because done. well stay tuned because coming doing my coming i'll be doing my monologue at on that very monologue at 4:00 on that very issue. good is tv, issue. this is good is on tv, onune issue. this is good is on tv, online and on digital radio. after break, we'll be after the break, we'll be discussing time discussing whether it's time to stop net. madness stop the net. zero madness before we all out of money and also what the social media influencer andrew is influencer andrew take is positive model for men and positive role model for men and we'll hear the thoughts of my panel. we'll hear the thoughts of my panel . gb news contributor and panel. gb news contributor and former mep martin daubney former brexit mep martin daubney and also former corbyn adviser and also a former corbyn adviser , james schneider. but first, let's get your latest news headunes. let's get your latest news headlines . nana, thank you and headlines. nana, thank you and good afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the port of dover says passengers are still facing waits of up to hours as it tries to the backlog of easter getaway traffic. iran extra ferry services overnight

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their energy ratings to a minimum of c. so when will this net zero i i'm calling it net. no, no madness. when will it end 7 no, no madness. when will it end ? well, let's see what my panel make that i'm joined by gb news host and brexit party mep martin daubney and former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider. martin i've got to start with you. have you ever been a landlord? no, i haven't. i'm not in the position to be able to do that. wish it was, but i'm not. but far as net zero goes, but as far as net zero goes, i think it's a class war. i think it's war on the working classes. i think it's a luxury belief system by the privileged, by the elites, by the rule who if you are using it as the greatest taxation vehicle of our lifetime let's all save the planet and, make you poorer, make you colder , make you impoverished and make you feel terrible about your existence humans a existence. treat humans as a blight upon the planet. we should be taxed and punished and the notion that landlords will just cough this up without passing fee down to their tenants is for the birds. well,

i mean , the thing is because the i mean, the thing is because the ratings are eight g. as i've been a landlord in the land of many years and the ratings are g and the idea it was energy performance certificate so it's called an epic and the idea was that you would get the cpc and you'd roughly your you'd find roughly how much your energy so it energy would cost. yeah. so it gives an idea of the but of gives you an idea of the but of course they're turning this round. now were round. so now if you were a landlord, i think 2028 is the date that within five years, if you haven't got your house to an eight between eight c, then you can longer out your property can longer let out your property and it'll be things like heat pumps going to need pumps that you're going to need to james, what do you to put in. james, what do you think that so we need to have a massive national programme of homes , bringing them up to homes, bringing them up to energy standards that is going to create good jobs. it's going to create good jobs. it's going to reduce emissions and it's going to bring down our bills and some people, quite a lot of people like me, live in private homes . so we can't put the homes. so we can't put the infrastructure. so you any

incentives that could be provided for us, we can't. we put in so that is why private landlords will have to be part of upgrade adding the energy efficiency of our homes because we i even if there were . okay we i even if there were. okay you don't think climate change is real you don't talk about it even if you hold on, you just put words in my mouth. so going to take this without. okay, i'm off from you and say i do believe the climate is changing but the effect that we have on it think is questionable. so it i think is questionable. so even if the climate change weren't an issue , it's the weren't an issue, it's the biggest existential issue of our time. but even if it were your view, even if it weren't the in order to reduce bills and to put money back in people's pockets, insulating homes is an extremely good investment. so it's something that we should be immediately doing . the immediately doing. the government should be doing a substantial part of it. some of it be offered to people in it could be offered to people in in subsidies or incentives to do it in. private landlords have to, have do it as

to, you know, have do it as well. well, what do you think they're get the from they're gonna get the money from because as martin said it's going come to. yeah that going to come to. yeah that that's problem a nutshell that's the problem a nutshell you all and you know it's all state and no carrot. it's if you don't carrot. it's like if you don't get an electric car, you can get fined 12.50 every day to drive in london city cones approach and if you you don't get your insulation fined 30 insulation done you get fined 30 grand so it's all threats grand is it so it's all threats and bluster and the people who are disproportionately affected by this all who are poorest, who are spending most of their proporty, most of their money on heating, on driving , proporty, most of their money on heating, on driving, on proporty, most of their money on heating, on driving , on petrol, heating, on driving, on petrol, on food , all of those things on food, all of those things have a knock on effect on their rent, and that will have a knock on effect if a landlord's got spend 30 grand on insulation is going to. oh, no problem. my name he'll do it and name claus. no, he'll do it and it'll that cost on to the tenants who often or those at the end because they can't afford to in house he'll afford to get in the house he'll sell so most sell the house. so most landlords, like you said to me, you'd a if. they told you'd be a bonus if. they told me that i'm going have to pay me that i'm going to have to pay 30 i'll sell the 30 grand. i'll sell the property, like, not doing

property, be like, i'm not doing that. they've also away property, be like, i'm not doing that. incentivese also away property, be like, i'm not doing that. incentives for.so away property, be like, i'm not doing that. incentives for landlords. other incentives for landlords. so could actually the so you could actually deduct the cost your mortgage that cost of your mortgage that you're the tax , you're paying against the tax, the money that you receive for the money that you receive for the or the interest the property or the interest that you could deduct it. but now no deduction. so now there's no deduction. so whatever, thing . whatever, that's a good thing. not really, for the not really, not for the landlord, if let landlord, because if they let me finish , it's not a good thing finish, it's not a good thing because what happens the landlord increases the rent landlord then increases the rent . so is that good for . yeah. so how is that good for you mean. knock on answer you i mean. well knock on answer that's a good thing. yes it is. yes it is a good thing. that's a good thing. yes it is. yes it is a good thing . it is a yes it is a good thing. it is a good thing because people who are at the very top, people who wealth need to pay more, just need pay more, tax . because for need pay more, tax. because for most people , martin is right most people, martin is right that the people that are most of these ordinary people because pay these ordinary people because pay is below where it was in 2005 and bills are much higher and the and whereas billionaire wealth in over the same period has gone up fourfold 400. okay

so there is money people who have or who have more money than they could possibly use, that needs to be taxed and that should provide support should be provided from people and invest overwhelming majority. it's only a benefit portion of people and actually most landlords are accidental. so most not only have one of the property, it's over 80% that not only have one of the properties. so it's maybe they live somewhere. then they met they moved with met someone, they moved with that person. they kept the property because they at the time these are not time so these are just not necessarily wealthy necessarily really wealthy people. yeah, a very small are not have of properties and not have loads of properties and like about like you talked about billionaires , there few billionaires, there are very few people are billionaires. people that are billionaires. the falls on the the burden always falls on the largest proportion of the population , which is actually population, which is actually the classes. don't the middle classes. we don't unfortunate and ain't unfortunate at all and ain't gonna be able to afford it. yeah. and it just quashes the aspirations . a whole aspirations of. a whole generation. mean, many generation. i mean, so many people stuck in people now will be stuck in rented accommodation or rented accommodation perhaps, or entire becoming more entire lives, but becoming more like europe. home like continental europe. home was always something that was seen not. only is a privilege,

but as real life goal. and how but as a real life goal. and how will that happen young people will that happen if young people can't to save deposit? will that happen if young people can't now) save deposit? will that happen if young people can't now that e deposit? will that happen if young people can't now that rentposit? will that happen if young people can't now that rent is sit? will that happen if young people can't now that rent is going because now that rent is going even their landlord even more because their landlord has ? and so i support has to pay? and so i support rent controls and will rent controls and that will help support control. i support rent control. oh, i don't in the market. don't i believe in the market. oh, okay, great. these of oh, right. okay, great. these of course, rent control course, i support rent control because the rent is too high. of course i support rent control . course i support rent control. have you had a mortgage ? have you ever had a mortgage? no, i i say just say i had no, i rent. i say just say i had to ask the question to qualify. so are suddenly so interest rates are suddenly gone because of the inflation gone up because of the inflation pressures , they say, which i pressures, they say, which i don't is the right thing don't believe is the right thing to do because it's a global thing, a national thing. so this not to much not going to make much difference. make difference. it's going to make people but the upshot people poorer. but the upshot is that means mortgage is that that means the mortgage is more a lot of more expensive and a lot of landlords. i think it's about on it's about £380 a month that is increased person increased for the actual person who owns the so landlord and who owns the so the landlord and will be passed over to the tenant so what you're saying is that you don't understand, that what you don't understand, all costs will passed all these costs will be passed to well rents have to you a tenant? well rents have gone up way way, way . no, no,

gone up way way, way. no, no, no. hold on. wait, wait, no, no, no, no. foul rents . rents have no, no. foul rents. rents have been going up for decades . been going up for decades. right, because housing has as an asset class has been going up andifs asset class has been going up and it's decay coupled from wages around the year 2000. because we have an economy where where you will make money if you have some money in buying an asset than doing anything with it. well buying a product to buy that was right it's right. and that's it. and that is why housing costs for renters as a proportion of their income has been going up dramatically . so been going up dramatically. so yes, i support every single possible policy that brings down the brings down the cost of the renters. so you all supporting mandatory installations . we mandatory installations. we passed on to tenants by landlords . well yeah. you expect landlords. well yeah. you expect your rent to magically go down, we'll be frozen by the state i guess. i think it's be i think, i think ben should go down. i think we have that there is

there more than enough money to have a national of insulating every single in this country , every single in this country, that 27 million homes in this country every single one could be in it? now it's safe. so i know i speak to the engineers and they say there some some properties that you're better off just knocking them down and starting. okay, fine. see the odd example. it's odd the odd example. it's not odd the housing stock in this country. a lot it's old, most related it lot of it's old, most related it will won't really happen. lot of it's old, most related it wiwon't won't really happen. lot of it's old, most related it wiwon't work.t really happen. lot of it's old, most related it wiwon't work. andlly happen. lot of it's old, most related it wiwon't work. and it' happen. lot of it's old, most related it wiwon't work. and it probably it won't work. and it probably means more carbon to do that than the carpet in the end that it save. you're better off it will save. you're better off knocking it down. knocking a lot of it down. that's not going to happen. so i don't living in the don't think you're living in the world reality. you're world of reality. you're thinking that the landlord is going absolutely going to pay for. absolutely upgrade. going to upgrade. it's not going to affect you're affect your rent. you're thinking landlord can pay thinking the landlord can pay for extra is not going for the extra rates is not going to rent then you to affect your rent and then you want to come down so want the rents to come down so you're not in the you're not living in the landlord's will increase rents the with interest rates are that what doing but i there what they're doing but i there should freeze i don't should be a freeze i don't think people rent so you people should go rent so you they should pay a bit money. they should pay a bit of money. you're the house. i you're living in the house. i

think, you know, they're going to they're to sell the to do they're going to sell the house. i honestly i think that when £50 billion a year is when over £50 billion a year is transferred who transferred from, tenants who generally have generally speaking, don't have that who generally that much to money who generally speaking do have a lot speaking do have quite a lot more money, that is a problem. and that number decrease. that number decay freeze year number should decay freeze year on year is it's hard to know where to start. i mean that that sounds like places like cuba where i've been where everyone gets a free house. but you're on terrible there's terrible money because there's not around to not enough money around to provide for everyone not enough money around to provgive for everyone not enough money around to provgive a for everyone not enough money around to provgive a decent for everyone not enough money around to provgive a decent like everyone not enough money around to provgive a decent like that.'one and give a decent like that. britain britain is complete out of kilter with . other comparable of kilter with. other comparable countries western europe on how we can make up our rent in germany, rent in france, rent in the netherlands. but they don't push moments. so that is the way they've done. you're comparing countries that don't and the similar ethos and we've got not obviously how sorry our ethos is ownership and we've pushed that that these countries social contract been broken has been broken over the last five years

because it has become unaffordable for most people under the age of 42. everything going to own a house right? i agree with that. i agree with that. agree with that. i agree with that . the answer isn't the that. the answer isn't the answer is not the so—called free market. yes, it is building. we won't do it. build houses. we space supply and demand. and the nofion space supply and demand. and the notion that we should all be renting and paying landlords in europe, in germany, the utopian , if you make a move on this, all the landlords are getting rich, the tenants are getting poorer. is it? thank you poorer. what is it? thank you for what are your for that. listen, what are your thoughts? chance thoughts? why we have chance to ask thoughts. gb views ask for your thoughts. gb views at send them through. at gbnews.uk. send them through. well, go to the controversial well, be go to the controversial social media and self—proclaimed king tate king of masculinity, andrew tate and justin . they and his brotherjustin. they were from prison after were released from prison after four inside the currently four months inside the currently under house. and that is what andrew had to . i have a freedom andrew had to. i have a freedom . myself. my brother a lot was a little bit emotional. i've been in one room since last year, so

i'm a little bit emotional. i want to give respect firstly to the judges who heard us today because they were very attentive and they listened to us they and they listened to us and they let free. so i have to give let us free. so i have to give absolute to them. i have resentment in my heart for the country, or anybody country, romania or for anybody else. believe the truth. else. i just believe the truth. it was political. i believe it was political. so i believe in i think that the fire in god and i think that the fire of truth eventually all of truth will eventually all lies. and anybody who lies on a long enough time frame will feel the for grant. believe the sting for grant. i believe in i truly believe in this. yeah i truly believe that justice will be served in the end. there is 0% chance of me being found guilty of something i have not done. i maintain my absolute innocence and people and i think most people understand look understand this and i look forward to being home. so thank you much. all so is you very much. all right. so is undertake the poster boy for toxic masculinity. i'll start with you, james. what do you think, andrew, the final or foe ? foe or not, friend, whatever the right way of putting it. i mean, he's the poster boy for toxic masculinity in that he doesn't think women are to him and he's very popular. so you

know, if that's the if that's the question. yes at the top you were asking, you know, is he a good role model for young men. and i think answer has got to be no i don't know what he is overcompensating for, but that type of lifestyle. i wonder right by the type of lifestyle that he is presenting is embarrassing and shallow and is not the sort of thing that is good role model for young boys but i don't think just saying let's ban him or anything like thatis let's ban him or anything like that is going to work at all because you have to look at why it that the things he's saying are appealing to a minority of young boys and that can't just be with by just shutting the guy up we've to deal with other things. you are an editor, a lads magazine. yeah, i was just a load up for almost ten years. i was an ambassador for international know a lot international day. i know a lot about how young men think. i did about how young men think. i did a lot work the manga in a lot of work on the manga in their way. men who were

their own way. men who were giving up on sexual relationships. the incel movement demonised young men they life because they rejected in life because there's easy way of getting there's no easy way of getting rejected, a modern rejected, them being a modern young you swipe young man because you your swipe left swipe . brian so we left or your swipe. brian so we have a we have a small proportion of women going after a huge pool of women a tonne a huge pool of women going for time percentage going off for a time percentage of tall , going off for a time percentage of tall, handsome man. of wealthy, tall, handsome man. and rest, the of losers and the rest, the kind of losers in the eyes of the internet and the eyes of the media, the media has demonised for now has demonised young men for now as , predatory as as toxic as, predatory as problems waiting to happen . all problems waiting to happen. all of it is turning them poisonous and then in strolls a false prophet like andrew who's basically turned young men into a ponzi scheme , it shows him $50 a ponzi scheme, it shows him $50 a ponzi scheme, it shows him $50 a month. he claims of two 2000 subscribers. i doubt if he has he's making £10 million a month from vulnerable ostracised, socially awkward young man i that's my problem with him not anything he says. well the fact he like saddam hussein coming coming out of his bunker painting himself some of moss. he's not a martyr. he's a predator. he preys on vulnerable

young men and he monetises their loneliness. that's my problem . loneliness. that's my problem. him. but some people i mean, i even hear women of almost supporting him saying that what he's saying is great and they want to man, he's kind of man's man. i mean, there seems to be an appeal to him obviously you talked about him preying on vulnerable men but it has he got a point and part of his message. is there anything in that is there anything in there that you is valid ? i mean, you think is just valid? i mean, i think you can find some you know, there will be examples of some will like some people that will like anything. a rich anything. there's a rich diversity , human existence. but diversity, human existence. but i think he is he stands for a kind of distorted idea of what we used to think was standard and good masculine masculinity. and so i can understand why some people think that that they want to reach for that because the world is uncertain things are changing and their lives are insecure but it is a distorted of something that itself needs to reform and change as society

reforms growth and a former mentor of this demographic course with jordan peterson who stepped in a few years ago and he was the brains you like this quy's he was the brains you like this guy's the brawn he's bravado and he's the opposite kind of hyper masculine , almost kind version masculine, almost kind version of cars, seagulls jewellery, watches, all the girls in the harem . it's a facile, shallow harem. it's a facile, shallow version of what's meant be aspirational, which most men cannot achieve . so he rips them cannot achieve. so he rips them off and charges them to try and his life. so he knows that they both of them ever achieve that he doesn't care. he just wants to empty their their pockets. that's what i hate about him. i don't really care about anything . he says his message as, a messenger. i just think he's a brazen. and what we should be doing having positive doing is having more positive role models fathers, mentors . i role models fathers, mentors. i work for a charity called lads needin work for a charity called lads need in essex and they and they they find vulnerable young lads

and they and they mentor and buddy them up with builders , buddy them up with builders, decorators or guitarists or poets or fishermen and they rebuild their confidence and beautiful men , beautiful young beautiful men, beautiful young men come out of that because you intervene in a positive way, not set in them. the illusion of sexual prowess, of being a millionaire, of having a lamborghini . he needs to go. and lamborghini. he needs to go. and i'm sick of him. but we've got quite a lot of messages and so i want to read some of the messages that we've had for throughout show. donna on throughout the show. donna on the landlord the question about landlord says, i a two bedroom flat that. i went bristol, my mortgage i went in bristol, my mortgage has over per month. has gone up over £300 per month. recently and i've had to absorb this. i'm not rolling in monday. it's i'm not rolling in money. it's i'm not rolling in money. it means it's a lazy argument to assume all landlords are wealthy, is something wealthy, which is something i think of posed here. think you kind of posed here. somebody told me to stop interrupting , sneering at issues interrupting, sneering at issues at certain times . usually when at certain times. usually when she disagrees, it's not her opinion. it's the guests are clever more interesting in a we don't need our opinion shoved down our throats. she starts

shouting and laughing deafening, very unnecessary, unattractive even bullying. you for even bullying. thank you for that, alison. what's your show and is show? sorry and what is show? i'm sorry about know what you about that. i know what you mean, but i can a little bit mean, but i can be a little bit annoying. that's the audience. zero. tony says not only will this, what do you see availability of rented drive availability of rented can drive up rents plus the deal with serco to have migrants that not only pay % above what housing only pay% above what housing benefit pays. so using taxpayers also pay council tax utility bills blah blah blah blah. yes, ihear bills blah blah blah blah. yes, i hear what you're saying. not i don't know whether that's true, but anyway an overall final one to on housing. what to you. apple on housing. what she fall on she said, people who fall on times lose their homes and i talked to really i cited above all listen it's a great one she's talking basically that it's going to help their mortgages. i believe that six months i can't make it all up it's pretty good but thank you for that. i will read it later. all right. well, listen, i've got to say huge thank you to my panel got to say huge thank you to my panel, mark daubney and former adviser jeremy corbyn. you're back way. early back on you way. yeah, early birds. doing birds. i'm back. i'm doing breakfast monday to

breakfast this week. monday to thursday next saturday thursday that next saturday 12 to and thank you to 3 on saturday. and thank you so james tonight as our so much to james tonight as our former adviser to jeremy corbyn and you to you listen i'll and thank you to you listen i'll be back a little moment time. be back in a little moment time. we'll my monologue. yes we'll be doing my monologue. yes it course, on that it is, of course, on that wonderful. sir keir starmer . there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit,

even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

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latest news headlines . latest news headlines. good afternoon. it has just gone 4:00 about armstrong in the gb newsroom. the home secretary suella braverman rejected suggestions brexit be the cause of delays at the port of dover holidaymakers trying to get away for easter are still delays of up to 8 hours despite extra services running overnight although authorities say it's now half that long four hour delays. officials have blamed lengthy immigration processes on.the lengthy immigration processes on. the french side, our national reporter theo chikomba is in dover . theo, from what national reporter theo chikomba is in dover. theo, from what you can tell, how bad are the backlogs ? okay, we don't have backlogs? okay, we don't have theo. backlogs? okay, we don't have theo . so we will move on this theo. so we will move on this problem and meanwhile has been explaining new measures she will implement tomorrow to tackle child sexual abuse. the home secretary says political correctness is to blame for

failures in dealing with grooming gangs. writing in the mail on sunday, she those working with children will have a legal to report signs or suspicions of sexual abuse . it suspicions of sexual abuse. it follows an independent inquiry last year which described sexual abuse of children as an epidemic . parliamentary under—secretary of state for safeguarding dines says this is scourge of our society . can't stop in making society. can't stop in making sure that people protected. children are the most vulnerable of our society as well as the elderly . we must make sure that elderly. we must make sure that they're not sexually abused. so i don't accept we're going to be rife with false reports. that may one or two, and they will may be one or two, and they will deau may be one or two, and they will dealt with and identified. the overall whelming people that gave are speaking the gave evidence are speaking the truth inquiry. and was truth to the inquiry. and it was very heartbreaking . we need to very heartbreaking. we need to act . a 55 year old man has died act. a 55 year old man has died after being hit by a van outside after being hit by a van outside a pub in cramlington. northumbria police say it received reports two men have been struck by a the van outside the bay horse pub last night. a

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watch pope francis open an easter which marked the start of holy week. the 86 year old is dnven holy week. the 86 year old is driven to st peter's square in the vatican , sitting in the back the vatican, sitting in the back of an open topped car through crowds . pope was taken to crowds. pope was taken to hospital on wednesday. he was complaining of breathing difficulties but returned home to the vatican after making swift recovery yesterday . this swift recovery yesterday. this is gb news more as always , that is gb news more as always, that as it happens. but now let's get back to nana . back to nana. good afternoon . this is gb news good afternoon. this is gb news on tv and on digital. it's fast approaching . 6 minutes after approaching. 6 minutes after 4:00. i'm not a square . why 4:00. i'm not a square. why can't you it? a woman does have a penis. see it's easy because that's how biology works. labour

leader sir keir is tie himself in knots over something that is bafic in knots over something that is basic biology. in knots over something that is basic biology . gee, in knots over something that is basic biology. gee, i just remind guys that the right honourable gentleman struggled to define what a woman was when he came that he could even if he couldn't make up his my mum that point. so a woman can have penis . i'm not. i don't think we conduct this debate with you know so i've got to do so. no, no, no it's just a no, no, no. i just. is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? well it is something shouldn't. only women have a cervix? well it is something shouldn't . be i it is something shouldn't. be i mean, in his latest comments what a woman is the keir starmer says 99.9% of women don't have a penis . oh, god. look in the womb penis. oh, god. look in the womb when a woman is having a scan about about 16 weeks, you can find whether you are having a boy or a girl now. how do they

tell? by looking at the sex organs. if on bucha child has a vagina, then it's a girl a penis. then it's a boy . i mean, penis. then it's a boy. i mean, it's pretty straight forward. there's the extremely rare occasion when something goes wrong, the sexual may be ambiguous, but this is when something goes wrong and something goes wrong and something could always go . so something could always go. so nothing in life is 100. so the nought point nought 1, which a keir starmer seems to be leading room for it so that he can also trans women so biologic men i mean is he simply in my view once again hedging his bets and using this to get out of saying that a woman does not have a penis, which i think is a slippery. really? yeah when it came to the to nicola sturgeon's gender recognition reform bill, which would allow children as young as 16 to self i.d. without any medical intervention. labour were whipped to vote in favour of it. they were, however allowed to have a free vote on whether it should be blocked by the uk parliament. but why would

he that his mp voted for it in the first place? i mean, i'm actually grateful and i don't mean this in a weird way, but for a double rapist of and showing how legislation this compromises women's safe . i mean compromises women's safe. i mean can you imagine if that hadn't happened. well i'm not prepared to pander to a minority by making the language uncertain. otherwise, where are we with that ? it otherwise, where are we with that? it marginalises women . she that? it marginalises women. she talks about his children that he wants to know what they're learning about transgender issues in school. but in my view, school is not place to be teaching this, especially schools where children are extremely impressionable and these sort of issues are not even their radar and. it can be taughtin even their radar and. it can be taught in various ways which are not standardised . for example, not standardised. for example, some schools using resources like gender, unicorn diagrams which say sliding male, female and other identities , i mean, and other identities, i mean, who agree to all of that . the who agree to all of that. the other day i was speaking to my teenage daughter and she told me that she was scared with all the

different that are cropping up. she told me that there were over 100 and she thought it was madness. the labour party to swerve this issue because . it swerve this issue because. it exposes the divide within their and the infighting amongst. our meps obviously saw what happened to, nicola and he was worried , to, nicola and he was worried, as he should be called for national guidance on the gender issue and said that should try to make it cross—party because it's not helpful for parents schools to have just as toxic divides and what's needed is practical common sense advice. well yes , very sensible. only well yes, very sensible. only the divide seems to be within his own party, not the conservatives. so maybe he could sort out his own party. instead, he said the lesson from scotland is that if you call and take the pubuc is that if you call and take the public with you on a journey of reform, then you're probably not on the right journey. well, let me narrow it down for you, sir keir . if you me narrow it down for you, sir keir. if you lose over 50% of the vote, which is women, you lose the election . right? so

lose the election. right? so before we get stuck debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking are you fed up with the nhs according to reports, over 12,000 children are facing dangerous to get nhs help due to the covid backlog and that is a junior doctor to gearing up to strike over conditions and pay which could leave patients waiting even longer for critical operations . so is it time to operations. so is it time to overhaul the whole? maybe we need fix the but can it need to fix the but can it actually be fixed then at four 5820, i'll be joined by political danny armstrong, the host of the politics people podcast portpatrick , to discuss podcast portpatrick, to discuss the top stories from around the globe. but on the menu , former globe. but on the menu, former us donald trump is us president donald trump is expected in court on tuesday over making hush money payments to adult star stormy daniels. i was back in 2006 and of course he denies most these allegations. and then at five, it's this week's outside my celebrity, who is a mystery , had

celebrity, who is a mystery, had a very interesting career . she a very interesting career. she started out as a fashion designer and has now become regular fixture on tv . appearing regular fixture on tv. appearing on this morning and my charlie valentine . any thoughts on who valentine. any thoughts on who she might be? well, that's coming up in next hour. as ever, tell me , you think on everything tell me, you think on everything we're discussing by emailing tv's at gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right let's get started. let's welcome again to my. christine hamilton is , a my. christine hamilton is, a broadcaster and author , also broadcaster and author, also broadcaster and author, also broadcaster and author, also broadcaster and journalist danny . kelly. well, i'm going to start with christine. sir keir starmer, 99.9% of women don't have a penis . starmer, 99.9% of women don't have a penis. i wonder how he came up with that. statistic. in my wildest dreams , i imagine my wildest dreams, i imagine that he'd lined up a shadow cabinet, stopped naked and had a look at them. and that's how he came to his conclusion. but i mean, how did you come up with

99 point i mean, women have a penis and that's that i starmer you're quite right he is really worried splitting his worried about his splitting his party the election is his to lose now he is riding high. party the election is his to lose now he is riding high . he lose now he is riding high. he realises that. and so he's realising that he has got to wind back. as you said, over 50% of voters , women and the women's of voters, women and the women's vote is incredibly important. so he's realised that he's got to get his ducks in row on this one and he's i mean, those clips, you showed of him from a few weeks ago complete glee, unable to question that a six to answer a question that a six year old perhaps six, but year old or perhaps six, but a ten old by six, you ten year old by six, you probably can answer. ten year old by six, you probably can answer . and yet the probably can answer. and yet the leader of labour party for leader of the labour party for ideological reasons is to answer it. i they need to be replayed and replayed during the election. but i think realised that he's got to get exactly what. he's contradicted what. he's also contradicted himself because he accepts that north the border the downfall north of the border the downfall of sturgeon was this of nicola sturgeon was this complete mess about trans rights. yeah, he part. he is on that side of complete mess of trans rights . what he does, he

trans rights. what he does, he acknowledges the fact that she's being booted out metaphorically because of this mess . yeah, he because of this mess. yeah, he still is on that side. because of this mess. yeah, he still is on that side . the fence still is on that side. the fence telling . jane minshull or posy telling. jane minshull or posy park . you know the feminist who park. you know the feminist who along with rowling? yeah. she's just come back from new zealand. she's a big feminist and she just wants blokes with penises in dresses in her changing room. she's she's on the other side of the fence. she's actually, i heard this on gb news she's actually stunned . and keir actually stunned. and keir starmer's shoe and see i heard that so she is going to be having big debate she's going to be standing on a platform and hopefully will be grilling keir starmer because keir starmer just to understand that 19.9% of the public think that he's wrong on so 99.9% of women don't have penises he needs to understand that 99.9% of people think he's an idiot with this because the thing is, you can't ever say that 100% of anything. i mean, that 100% of anything. i mean, that literally nothing is 100% anything. nothing is . so that is anything. nothing is. so that is one of those phrases that people

used say pretty much everybody 6, used say pretty much everybody a, you know, across the board but he's not brave enough to say no what i'm prepared to what you're prepared to say and what most of the public think the other sort of saw dish is also something i read the paper this morning. i think it's the lyric theatre, but it's one the theatre, but it's one of the main theatres. a main london theatres. a journalist going to the loo journalist was going to the loo and said multi gender loo and it said multi gender loo there were apparently sick urinals and she and one cubicle at the far end she to walk past six urinals potentially with six men doing their business to get to the one cubicle at the end. if was somebody in that cubicle she would had to have stand and waited. who dreamt that up on all this. i can tell i can tell you who dreamt up idiots who say it's in inclusive and they hide behind this perception an impenetrable shield of . and if impenetrable shield of. and if you can say that you're sticking up for minority you can get away with murder thing and obviously look what i get quite annoyed aboutis look what i get quite annoyed

about is that to say these things you're then called transphobic, you're being transphobic, you're being transphobic, nothing because i've got no interest what i've got no interest in what somebody time but somebody in their spare time but what are in what they are and in that respect. but it affects me respect. but when it affects me then have an interest. and only then have an interest. and only then that's when they show it to me. when it affects me as a woman. that's it. that's all i care about. my only criticism of thatis care about. my only criticism of that is that as a bloke looking from the outside did i don't know how it feels a woman to be in a shared toilet with blokes come and get it out but i would say and i've said this to you before, i don't think agreed on it is that people say that they feel unsafe. i would say that the be uncomfortable the word should be uncomfortable because then the counterargument is have say on is uncomfortable. we have say on saying, no, was saying, no, no, no, that was been uncomfortable because it is uncomfortable the reason uncomfortable. but the reason why sexes are divided is because of this strength advantage. and so the physical of men and so in the physical of men and things like that. so the reason why is ever a divide or why there is ever a divide or the extra strength that a man might terms sport, might have in terms of sport, that's the only why that's the only reason why those things . i when that's the only reason why those things. i when people came things. i think when people came up hundreds up with toilets hundreds of years wasn't of

years ago, it wasn't because of unsafe t no, it was because. what are you talking about? well, you just just because well, you just said just because those why it was designed to divide is only when there may be some terms or say, some advantage in terms or say, strength or physical. i'm talking about you know, i'm talking about you know, i'm talking about you know, i'm talking about and female. male and well was also that's and female. well was also that's what i'm talking about. so i'm correcting you. but on correcting you. but but on the subject lose it's you . all subject of lose it's you. all right. i keep asking . well, hang right. i keep asking. well, hang on. quality. yeah so half right . we have a multi lose here. gb news don't we? not because it's a policy of gb news that, because the building is rented and that's what we have none of us. i don't think are very comfortable with that. no, i don't. but do you feel safe that this is what i'm coming to. i feel perfectly safe. it's nothing to do with that. i'm speaking. feel speaking. it's to feel comfortable i don't feel the comfortable and i don't feel the men to use multi men who have to use multi sex lives comfortable either. lives feel comfortable either. that it's a tbd as. that is because it's a tbd as. well, it's my place of work and i feel very. but do you place that somewhere else? well, i don't know. it could to don't really know. it could to be you again, the public.

be you and again, the public. i'm a town and then that's a i'm in a town and then that's a whole different i whole different question. do i feel would probably be feel safe. would probably be a no. and the reason why these things tend to be divided is usually that issue, obviously usually on that issue, obviously not here in a safe place , but on not here in a safe place, but on thatissue not here in a safe place, but on that issue is why these things are divided, but that's the most powerful argument against what i think a common which think is a common sense, which we agree on, is the up. we can all agree on, is the up. people say, can tell me or people will say, can tell me or can you give me any evidence where somebody has actually committed crime or there's committed a crime or there's a bloke okay. well they bloke plenty. okay. well they will that's plenty. that's been to the point of saying why, why, why bring inequalities that makes everybody feel uncomfortable whatever mine safety . well i don't think safety. well i don't think everybody does feel of course but i think lots of women will feel comfortable. well, not everything. that's just one policy. that's just one thing. and almost if you're and that's just almost if you're in a place this, whatever. in a place like this, whatever. but talking on the as but we're talking on the as i understand i mean , and understand i mean, and it infiltrates all of the system as well. so it is not just the toilets. that's just a small part of it. but there are other

elements also. ladies, stop that theatre. i saw the photograph and you got five urinals and you've walk past them and you've got to walk past them and see. have to. but see. they will have to. but don't any sort of privacy don't have any sort of privacy divisions . don't have any sort of privacy divisions. i'm not sure that's something that is so antiquated. i hate go to the toilet you're standing to another fella standing next to another fella and you've just got to keep your eyes in america and eyes locked ahead in america and in places they've got in lots of places they've got like of partitions. but as like sort of partitions. but as a woman, you to past a woman, you have to past literally 16 is on display. welcome i don't quite understand it, but to get to the cubicle at ten. but that's but that's just that's the appeal to some element of this anyway. you know it should be that somebody could be able to define what a woman is. yeah it should be such big issue. but you're me if issue. but you're with me if you've me, it's just coming you've just me, it's just coming up 19 minutes after up to 19 minutes after 4:00. this , tv online on this is dvds, tv online on digital radio. after the break, it's for the great british it's time for the great british debate asking , are debate this out. i'm asking, are you up of the nhs now? you fed up of the nhs now? thousands children are facing thousands of children are facing dangerous help from nhs dangerous to get help from nhs community services due to the covid backlog . and that is a

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radio. we are the people's channel. i'm done a square now. before the break, we were discussing six storm. that's now a quick look at what you've been saying. says the fight for women's equal rights is over. men say they're women are taking over and duties, says none you rock that so i'll thanks to you, too. thank you very much. oscar says we all know what woman is. why doesn't labour . well, that's why doesn't labour. well, that's the question, isn't it? and if can't give us some straight answers, i'd be concerned about other policies that not getting straight but it is straight answers for but it is time our great britain time for our great britain debate asking you fed debate out. i'm asking you fed up with the nhs according to reports more than 12,000 children are having to wait over year to receive nhs help due to the backlog brought on by the pandemic. this all comes as junior doctors are preparing to take strike action against working conditions and wages which could threaten the safety of patients delayed treatment for those who are critically ill and caused distress, among other staff? meanwhile british social

attitudes survey has suggested that logan mwangi is of people are dissatisfied with the nhs with only 29% saying that they are happy with the. the nhs is currently breaking point. so how can the government this, if even can the government this, if ever, can it be fixed? is the problem worsening? are you absolutely fed up with them? so is the great british debate. that's what i'm asking. what do you think i'm joined now by political commentator anna mcgovern nurse julie mcgovern psychiatric nurse julie juua mcgovern psychiatric nurse julie julia taylor and neurologist and medical cannabis expert , dr. medical cannabis expert, dr. mike barnes . medical cannabis expert, dr. mike barnes. right. so medical cannabis expert, dr. mike barnes . right. so i'm medical cannabis expert, dr. mike barnes. right. so i'm going to start with you, julia, because you're a psychiatric nurse. you work within the nhs . nurse. you work within the nhs. what is your thought on it? well, yeah i'm fed up with the nhs and i work the nhs. i'm working luckily for me, i work in a good team. we've got enough people but we've still got a backlog. it's, you know, but as the pandemic caused the backlog for the children that are having to wait for treatment. i actually agree with that . and it actually agree with that. and it was already backlogged anyway .

was already backlogged anyway. the pandemic hit because we've had to cut back after contract after contract beds been closed. we've lost loads of beds. we've got 10,000 people waiting to put out into the community. and the problem i think the main problem is with the nhs. i it's with social care because people are stuck in hospital and that's what's causing lot of the backlog. and i don't think realise that. do you think it can be fixed though because a lot of people looking at this thinking oh goodness, it's not even fixable. do you think it's. fixable. it would it take some fixing nana and. sure firstly we've got to get more people . we've got to get more people. want to work for the nhs and not a pittance of a pay rise are i'm going to say no to that the 5% with the great big lump sum that any nurse that accepts is just greedy because then just for them to leave it's not just about them and make about everybody we need more people in

the nhs and there's , there's no the nhs and there's, there's no incentive because the pace dreadful is now what it used be. would you. i want to bring anna this. anna what do you think. you've fed up with it. yes, absolutely. and i think many people are big and i think it's a direct of lockdown as well. we're seeing huge backlogs as patients are in need of urgent care . personally, remember when care. personally, remember when over the christmas was very ill and i a gp appointment and when i approached my gp without even asking how i was without asking you know have you got any health conditions? they immediately say to me on the phone , oh, you're to me on the phone, oh, you're taking an appointment from someone who's an emergency . so someone who's an emergency. so imagine if an older person who has got health conditions called and then were met by someone on the other end of the phone who said, well actually, you're not a . there's other people a priority. there's other people who in urgent need and who are in urgent need and you're one of them. so for you're not one of them. so for some people, just to say that without any context, think is horrible think there's horrible and i think there's many are actually too

many people who are actually too afraid actually approach nhs afraid actually approach the nhs because. like because. they don't feel like they an appointment and they will get an appointment and this will literally people this will literally kill people . is killing people to . well it is killing people to my medical my bone. so cannabis, medical medicine , cannabis expert, medicine, cannabis expert, neurologist what do you think? are you fed up it you it's a really serious situation i mean the last reporting quarter last year we lost more nhs staff than any other previous recorded since records began mean that's awful we've got less doctors better population in any country in europe we've got the second lowest beds per head of population in any country in europe . so the situation is europe. so the situation is pretty dire . can we fix it? yes, pretty dire. can we fix it? yes, of course. with goodwill from the government, are government we can fix the situation. it would take a lot of time a, lot of effort and sadly and the government turns a lot of money. but do you all look i'm thinking that it's i don't think it's fixable. i think it's a lot of money more money. the wasting they're wasting money. you put money in. it's going down. a black hole and they want more

money. what for? they're wasting it. i mean, look, anna, they're wasting money. yeah, absolutely. i they completely i think they completely haemorrhaging away and haemorrhaging money away and they've got priorities such as, you get rain by roads you know, get more rain by roads , i think, you know , ideological , i think, you know, ideological kind of push forwards rather than actually putting that money towards urgent care , towards towards urgent care, towards patients who actually need to see a gp to get an appointment and i think that their priorities are complete the wrong and i think that's a huge contributor factor because there's such a backlog now that there's such a backlog now that there are people urgently need that medical care and will not be able to access it and i think this is a cause. again this is a direct cause. again i said because of lockdowns and because the government shut this country down. and i think there is more that , yes, they were in is more that, yes, they were in mess. but i absolutely with you that the mess the two lockdowns exacerbated it. but they've been a mess to do it surely you would agree that they were they've beenin agree that they were they've been in a mess well before lockdowns. absolutely we're lockdowns. oh, absolutely we're in good a good five in a mess. good a good five years before that. like i say ,

years before that. like i say, 2010 came and literally it was just awful. everything changed and it felt like we weren't getting enough food for the patients. it was everything changed. everything got taken right down to the bone , got like right down to the bone, got like stopped wards got closed , wards stopped wards got closed, wards got amalgamated far away from where people live . it's it where people live. it's it really was diabolical prior to the pandemic, but i think preparations doctor mike seems to think it's fixable, though. mean i would like to a complete overhaul i would like see it i would like see parts of it i'd like to see people contributing , i'd like to see layers of it in because we already pay for anyway i'd like to see layers. i'd like to see something where if you pay, you can get more , if you pay, you can get more, but everyone is covered. i mean, what do you think, mike? you said but mike, said it's fixable, but mike, you see working? you're seeing see that working? you're seeing its yes, i can its current state. yes, i can see working . i think one see that working. i think one thing i would say is the governments just not fiddling

with secretary with it. every health secretary for now felt they for many decades now felt they could come in and fix the problem and they've done all that's done goes a complete rehash of the nhs, another management reshuffle, another and more money wasted on the hierarchy. you know that ward level at a hospital level those staff those frontline know how to make their ward function better their hospital function not that what we need to do and i'm not against management they struggle to do a good job in difficult circumstances but there's too many power. i used to be ten or 15 years ago with those in the frontline , know how those in the frontline, know how it is that they can make work better . and i'll just going to better. and i'll just going to say, i think that there needs to be a system of systematic restructure of the nhs because the current that we have is completely broken. it's not serving the needs of the patients and i almost think there needs to be complete for there needs to be a complete for it actually be fixable again. it to actually be fixable again. juua it to actually be fixable again. julia definitely. i totally with what they've both said it fixable but it will take time

and really we haven't got that time we need to get moving now right now and start fixing it and changing lot of it. private finance initiative have started to break the of things up privatised the nhs. you go for an mri scan that's not owned by the nhs , that's owned by private the nhs, that's owned by private company that's what's broken it . that's the problem. do you think it's time we got rid of the notion that it's free at the point of need ? acknowledge that point of need? acknowledge that that in my view seems impossible today. do you think should need today. do you think should need to get rid of that notion ? no, to get rid of that notion? no, no. because look, that's exactly what we did with social care in the 1990s. well put it out there to the sort privatised companies and look at the state of that. now my own father died in january and we wanted him home. but couldn't get him home because there wasn't to look after him for about three weeks. and he died in a care home. that's the kind of thing that tottenham i'm sorry hear that tottenham i'm sorry to hear that and mike. if you've got and talk to mike. if you've got about 20 seconds, what's your final on it other than

final thoughts on it other than on money? there are other things we spend a lot more we could do is spend a lot more money health. of health money on health. of health pubuc money on health. of health public health like obesity , like public health like obesity, like alcohol, like sexual health. yeah. that's a really balding 40% of deaths in this country are preventable. that's invest more money rather than reduce money, which the government has done public health measures. done on public health measures. that's and 20 seconds to you on the funding of i absolutely agree. i think some of the agree. i think that some of the i of the sections of the i some of the sections of the nhs actually benefit from nhs might actually benefit from privatisation think the privatisation. i don't think the pubuc privatisation. i don't think the public might agree with, but i think that actually fix think that might actually fix the and make the service the backlog and make the service work faster. well, thank so much for your thoughts. political commentator anna mcgovern, psychiatric nurse julia taylor, urologist medicinal cannabis urologist and medicinal cannabis expert mike barnes. thank expert dr. mike barnes. thank you well. you're with me. i'm you so well. you're with me. i'm way this is gb views on tv onune way this is gb views on tv online and on digital radio . online and on digital radio. after the break, we'll continue the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking can we fix the nhs. you know the thoughts of my panel broadcaster author christine hamilton also broadcast with journalist danny

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on digital radio. i'm nana. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana . and on digital radio. i'm nana. and it's on digital radio. i'm nana. and wsfime on digital radio. i'm nana. and it's time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , are you fed up of the nhs. according to reports, more than 12,000 children are having to wait over a year to receive nhs 12,000 children are having to wait (ofr a year to receive nhs 12,000 children are having to wait (of course' to receive nhs 12,000 children are having to wait (of course that eceive nhs 12,000 children are having to wait (of course that iseive nhs 12,000 children are having to wait (of course that is due nhs 12,000 children are having to wait (of course that is due to s help. of course that is due to the backlog brought on by covid. this comes as junior doctors this all comes as junior doctors are preparing to take strike against working conditions and wages which could threaten the safety of patients. delay treatment those who are critically ill and also caused distress among other staff. in the meantime a british social attitudes survey suggested that large majority of people, artists satisfied with the nhs are about 29, saying are unhappy with the service and the nhs. as you know if you have a waiting for anything is currently at breaking point. i know my mother is waiting for a knee replacement and that's been going for ages. but how can the government this worsening, government this ever worsening, worsening problem and it worsening problem and is it actually the actually fixable? so for the great british this hour, great british debate this hour, i'm fed up with i'm asking you get fed up with the nhs. see what my panel

the nhs. let's see what my panel make that. by author make of that. joined by author and broadcaster christine hamilton. a broadcaster , hamilton. as a broadcaster, journalist danny danny journalist danny kelly. danny i'm going to come to you because you may well need the nhs after what's happened. danny, what's just happened. danny, tell what's happened you. tell us what's happened to you. what's me? well, what's happened to me? well, tony basically i was through tony i basically i was through a security gate upstairs . security gate upstairs. unbeknown to me, the security were closed at these glass things. it's a glass thing. and the guy , in my view, should have the guy, in my view, should have said, i want a time. so he allowed two of us to go through. and soon as i the second gate and as soon as i the second gate closed, i'm nothing would survive nuclear bomb attack. survive a nuclear bomb attack. gates you cannot move them. i'm over 20. stone. and i was sort bounced back and i've damaged many . all fudged with the many. all you fudged with the nhs the last time i used the nhs to say democracy is going on is we've witnessing we've been witnessing about the last think he last time. i just think he should said one at a time. should have said one at a time. the last the last. i usually had a chance. i was most impressed because am clumsy and broke because i am clumsy and i broke two metatarsals falling over two metatarsals by falling over and went into the walk in. ironically at warwick hospital. so they've any but because

so they've got any but because my injury was to my foot i didn't have to wait eight or 9 hours. i was then ushered to a walk i was in walk in injuries and i was in and out within an hour and a half. so i'm not fed up with the nhs and i think people who are fed up with the nhs will be people who are waiting for operations have been cancelled because i have the nhs but then hypocritically i now pay £70 a month. my wife and i to go private. that's not that much actually for private care. what do you think? i'm certainly not fed up with the nhs, but the nhs needs radical overhaul. i mean, it a brilliant idea when it it was a brilliant idea when it first but that a very first came in, but that a very long ago now and we cannot long time ago now and we cannot afford the trouble is there afford it. the trouble is there is no cash nexus with the nhs so people. incentive people. there is no incentive for not go and see for people not to go and see their doctor, to not not their doctor, to not this, not to do and we have got to to do that. and we have got to we cannot go on injecting taxpayers money into it. we've got bring more in. and got to bring more money in. and that means for giving people tax relief and also relief to go private and also encouraging . for example, encouraging. for example, everybody for their everybody pays for their pension. when you're young, you stop . you should stop

stop or. you should stop building up your people building up your pension. people should up for should start building up for insurance because when you get older , you're need more older, you're going to need more health and why shouldn't older, you're going to need more hea|start and why shouldn't older, you're going to need more hea|start putting why shouldn't older, you're going to need more hea|start putting a hy shouldn't older, you're going to need more hea|start putting a little)uldn't older, you're going to need more hea|start putting a little bitin't you start putting a little bit of money aside and you would easily be able to example, easily be able to for example, i've two new knees and new i've had two new knees and a new and had them done privately. and i had them done privately. i have wait for three years have to wait it for three years for knee. i couldn't properly for my knee. i couldn't properly and it costs thousand pounds because was insured. that was fine. and there's no reason i took somebody off the waiting list that you just said about, putting a little bit of money in for 1 million. putting a little bit of money in for1 million. that's putting a little bit of money in for 1 million. that's called for1 million. that's called national insurance. that's what people have been paying . yes, people have been paying. yes, i know. but the cost the health know. but the cost of the health service so enormous. we're service got so enormous. we're all want more and all living. we all want more and more and new knees more operate. and new knees weren't heard when health weren't heard of when the health service and in order service came in. and in order be able give massive of able to give the massive of health care. i mean, we've already the highest tax in already got the highest tax in 70 we cannot just on 70 years. we cannot just on taxing the elephant in the room course is we are and that is the grace he said i did the he said

he's at the end of it. i just pointed out i was just using very old expression the in the room, of course, is the fact over the last however many years, ten, 15, 12 years, you know the population of country has expanded exponentially. now those people who come into this country not as jolly make me laugh for the benefit of those already on the face and see i've lost my train of thought. now cost of it basically by basically it's swamped and overwhelmed. that's my point. also foreigners come in. you people come . they come in here. people come. they come in here. they're very, very pregnant. suddenly go into labour and then they have their bit foreigners who have entitlement our age. who have no entitlement our age. well, i don't have that baby johnny coming here and johnny foreigner coming here and yeah that's. but they haven't paid in on that. yeah. okay, fair enough. but that is not really the main problem . mean. really the main problem. mean. okay, that is not great. a lot of people are using as health. thatis of people are using as health. that is something that happens all over the world anyway. but my problem with the excesses

small portion but it's the whole way it's organised. i mean oh it's a complete, it's a complete mess . the couple of people mess. the couple of people coming from another country our services be reason why services but won't be reason why it's in the method is it's in this mess because of the way it being this property being managed this property managers bring back matron that's we so many managers that's what we so many managers the money's to stupid the money's going to stupid things crossings things like rainbow crossings and inclusion it's and diversity inclusion it's just it's unbelievably bad and i'm i don't want to get sick. i'm i don't want to get sick. i'm going to get sick i want to use it. i've got private health care. yeah. but still, for the bigger things, certain private medical things won't cover and you in nhs care. that's, you end up in nhs care. that's, that's a worry. the other that's a worry. yeah the other thing disappointed thing that disappointed me the other was sunak was other day was when sunak was asked if he had private health care with seen his tax returns haven't he's one of the haven't we. we he's one of the most in the most wealthy people in the country. should be paying country. he should be paying for private care. he private health care. he shouldn't be a burden on the nhs. he can afford to pay it and he whatnots. but he hasn't got the whatnots. but they said he didn't want to send . when margaret thatcher was asked and she. i do, asked if she and she. yes, i do, because have a busy job and

because i have a busy job and i want to be able to have my procedure when want it where i want it to fit in with my may i just criticise one of your points you said earlier on you should some sort of tax should get some sort of tax break private. well, break if go private. well, that's of what we're that's sort of as to what we're trying do, because if you get a tax break, that's less money for the government coffers to, fund the government coffers to, fund the nhs. you either want to pay, in £70 a month to dodge in my case, £70 a month to dodge the i'm being open. the queues and i'm being open. that's people do to dodge that's what people do to dodge the queues i'm not of these the queues i'm not one of these types assure gb types of people i assure gb views know i'm not going to views you know i'm not going to but he said he actually goes private so that can free up a private so that it can free up a space someone. that's his space for someone. that's his primary motivation. not primary motivation. that's not true because it's not meant to garbage. a justification. garbage. that's a justification. you open you've got you should be open if you've got somebody. no, no, no, no. that's not never when i not true. that's never when i find my gp everything find out my gp and everything i say just. just, you know, reaffirming on with it because i don't want to waste an appointment somebody else. don't want to waste an app(couldent somebody else. don't want to waste an app(could really somebody else. don't want to waste an app(could really do omebody else. don't want to waste an app(could really do the body else. you could really do the appointment i know wrong. appointment i know it's wrong. i've see this the other i've been to see this the other know come in as if know you have to come in as if you've always seen me. you know, it's just. just do the thing. so

i private medical cover i use my private medical cover and that's up my and that's freeing up in my mind. and i say it them to mind. and i say it to them to just that somebody else you just say that somebody else you really motivation really need. so your motivation is somebody else to have that appointment. don't know. come appointment. i don't know. come on. you that. on. so you just told you that. so about you? you can have so how about you? you can have free with gb news told you about my medical my private medical coverage, which i didn't that it's cost much. so you don't need to, do you to do on it. what you don't have to do on it. what let's great francis let's welcome our great francis boyce. is your opportunity boyce. this is your opportunity . show tell us . be on this show and tell us what you think about. the topics we're discussing westwego we're discussing right westwego this to bristol have this so to bristol let's have a chat with lee lee harris lee this this he's there in bristol lee harris, what do you think? okay, let's talk the nhs. what do you think? i mean. i mean, is it even. i don't think it is but are you fed up with it. i agree with a lot of what you said. you made some really good points . with a lot of what you said. you made some really good points. in fact, some of them fact, probably some of them i was going to make myself so i could sit through them. i agree with of what you said. you with a lot of what you said. you know, i'm not fed up with the nhs own specifically. nhs like its own specifically. i'm fed with everything

i'm just fed with everything else happening around, i'm just fed with everything else although|g around, i'm just fed with everything else although i around, i'm just fed with everything else although i do>und, i'm just fed with everything else although i do think you know, although i do think it's badly, know, i'm it's very badly, you know, i'm more up with the being more fed up with the nhs being treated sort of religion treated some sort of religion panacea that must not be criticised. i'm of criticised. i'm fed up of politics you know politics is using you know treating a political treating it like a political football with zero commitment for any serious they end for any serious and all they end up tinkering around the up doing is tinkering around the edges and like rightly pointed out, just throw more and out, they just throw more and more money it. it's a more money at it. it's a bottomless we don't any bottomless pit. we don't see any meaningful that at all. you meaningful from that at all. you know, i agree . you this is know, i agree. you this is mostly not about that is a distraction this is about the way we do health care this country and how badly the nhs is run. you know, i do fully accept it has to be said that lockdown has had a huge impact on public health and waiting list, but the nhs has been broken for decades you are right to point that out as well. you know, i think it probably can be fixed to directly answer your question , directly answer your question, but as everyone is but it needs as everyone is rightly said, it needs urgent root and branch reform and we to admit that we are not the envy of the world, we're not the envy

poon of the world, we're not the envy poor. you know, you're. oh, sorry, go. no on personal point make it brief. thankfully well, my personal point is , is that my personal point is, is that i'm fed up feeling worried that the nhs isn't going to be there for my family when i need them. you know, i read more and more people are paying for private care and ad hoc health and i completely get that. that's something that i worry about. something that i do worry about. i've daughter and my wife. i i've got daughter and my wife. i want get treatment when want them to get treatment when they need it. you if i have a heart attack or something, i want to be to get an want to be able to get an ambulance and those things do play ambulance and those things do play and it play on your mind. and it worries me. well, that's the thing. i'm fed thing. so that's why i'm fed with it as well. i mean, if i talk along with them, i probably want come for anyway. lee, want to come for me anyway. lee, thank very much. it's really thank you very much. it's really good you. that house good to talk to you. that house is there bristol. a is there in bristol. he's a great british. well, today i've been asking you up with the nhs and of you've been getting been asking you up with the nhs antouch of you've been getting been asking you up with the nhs antouch withiu've been getting been asking you up with the nhs antouch with your been getting been asking you up with the nhs antouch with your thoughts.ing in touch with your thoughts. ryan the gets more than ryan says the nhs gets more than enough funding, but it's mismanaged. has mismanaged. mass immigration has put huge pressure on it's put huge pressure on it. it's used the national health used to be the national health service and international

service and not an international health of alluding health service. kind of alluding to louise to your forecasting, louise says, nhs was an animal, you says, if nhs was an animal, you put it out of its misery yeah, you probably would . but jackie you probably would. but jackie says the nhs is over. why are we forced to pay for something that is of no use to us? you know, i sort of the crazy talk is well i'd actually to see it disbanded i'm sorry i say it's no use. no i'm sorry i say it's no use. no i thought i'd see an air in extremis in emergency. no, i think you might see. it disbanded and there'll be a layer for people who can't any health you just make health care you just make a really interesting point about what the great british voice said to the fact that said he alludes to the fact that if heart attack if you had a heart attack because had private health because you had private health in ambulance, that's not in an ambulance, that's not correct. nhs first correct. you need the nhs first and the private health and then the private health care. that's what he's care. well, that's what he's saying was saying saying i'm saying he was saying that. well i agree wholeheartedly. said he wholeheartedly. he said he wanted has private health wanted the he has private health care but he the nhs be care but he wants the nhs to be that. misheard he's just that. i misheard that he's just like the rest of us is. like all the rest of us is. knees him obviously knees getting to him obviously isn't i'm nana this isn't with i'm nana akua. this isn't with i'm nana akua. this is views tv, online and on is gb views on tv, online and on digital radio. after the break, it's world. i'll be

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been arrested russia after being accused spying for the white house. joining me to talk about thatis house. joining me to talk about that is political commentator and russia expert danny armstrong. danny? okay so russia assuming the un security council presidency , what does that presidency, what does that actually mean? well it's a largely symbolic role. it's rotating between the 50 member states alphabet . as it happens, states alphabet. as it happens, it's the us and the uk. we'll have that in later on in the yeah have that in later on in the year. now, the role of the president of the un security council is to the face of that entity to set the agendas . it entity to set the agendas. it will make sure everything is running smoothly . also, one of running smoothly. also, one of the interesting facts of the roles of that presidency is that the president may appeal to parties a conflict to exercise restraint. and that's quite ironic given the last time russia was president was february 20, february 22, when the invasion was announced by vladimir putin into ukraine. it's largely symbolic, but there has been a big from ukraine ukraine to try to block the move

zelenskyy says we need a full reshuffle of the un c to prevent things like this happening. zelenskyy is called absurd and destructive and a lot of other members of the ukrainian government who have come out and said, this is just a slap in the face to any other members from other countries who have criticised it, or is it just we're hearing just ukraine. we're hearing the main complaints from ukraine, you complaints from ukraine, as you would can't be would, something that can't be prevented, given the structure of the unsc . as i've explained . of the unsc. as i've explained. that's terrible. this shouldn't i think if you recall, you shouldn't be allowed to do it if you are if you started war, then i would expect that you've actually vetoed your chance to do onto the us do. but moving onto the us journalist who's been held in russia , what do we know about russia, what do we know about that? this is evidence. that? well, this is evidence. get commit who a reporter get us commit who is a reporter for street journal. was for wall street journal. he was collecting information on the private military company as we know that fighting ukraine as know that fighting in ukraine as well as we speak in bakhmut especially, that the private

army essentially of russia. he was arrested for espionage . is was arrested for espionage. is this what russia accuses him ? this what russia accuses him? and he could be sentenced to 20 years in jail if found russia now he's well respect is a long time journalist in russia . now, time journalist in russia. now, the russian side have said, well, look, i mean julian assange, he's been imprisoned by the west, he's been interrogated, tortured for to release information the us and the uk. so they think he's a little bit hypocritical that they have arrested a journalist they have arrested a journalist they could for be prisoner swap too. increased their cache of western is taken prisoner it's a swap for there could there's been talk of siege a jackass of brother who was arrested the hague whilst working in brazil as a spy russia. so i mean it's very late as these things normally are with russia what it could mean a prisoner swap get serious if he is 99% of cases are people are found guilty

russia when they're taken to court so it could mean that he's arrested and then a prisoner swap will be in the offing. what any thank you very much for that update. armstrong. he's a update. that's armstrong. he's a political commentator . well, political commentator. well, well, over to well, let's travel over to america . we're going have to america. we're going to have to have chat the of the have a chat with the host of the politics people podcast. paul duddridge. to the show. duddridge. paul to the show. it's good to see you. what's the latest? trump go. he's getting out. he's going to have his shot thing this tuesday. tuesday. it's going to be interesting . we it's going to be interesting. we thought it tuesday. yeah. they made us wait for a couple of weeks for the full election. but yeah the witch hunt in full swing now it's very kgb. it's very show the man and i'll very show me the man and i'll show you the but it's show you the crime. but it's official that the republican party nominee for the 2024 presidential election is donald j. trump. that's that's the only game in town. now, this has even the republican , a united, even the republican, a united, even jeb bush is condemning these actions. but yes, trump is due in new york on to hear the as sealed charges . we don't even sealed charges. we don't even know what he doesn't even what

he's being charged with until tuesday where it's going to be read out in court. what are obviously the top charges having the temerity to go against the establishment? i mean, establishment? and i mean, that's going to be the number one they're to throw. one book they're going to throw. how point out it's how dare he even point out it's so. it's now it's a free so. yeah, it's now it's a free for all and this is legally is probably going to fly here eventually there's a there was a politician called john edwards who in 2004 used campaign money to hide the fact they had a pregnant mistress. now that was he wasn't found criminally liable because they actually accepted he wasn't trying to be accepted he wasn't trying to be a fraud. he was trying to keep the information from his wife. so that's going to be the that trump could always use . so it's trump could always use. so it's going fall apart. but this going to fall apart. but this opens for every other opens the door for every other little known mark the to throwing charges at trump. so you're to see more lawsuits more criminal cases being thrown at trump in the next but he can still run and he can still be he could be in jail and be president. that's the beauty of

this country. amazing that's america. what about joe biden ? america. what about joe biden? he's to the he's not coming to the coronation . is that a big deal? coronation. is that a big deal? the americans do they care about that? they a deal out that? are they making a deal out that? are they making a deal out that. that? are they making a deal out that . no, no, they're not. no. that. no, no, they're not. no. i mean biden really. i mean, joe biden talked about the shooting in tennessee and did joke about his favourite ice. so he can really he can do as as the really he can do as far as the mainstream press is concerned. so nobody going to care about so nobody is going to care about anything. don't know. don't anything. i don't know. i don't know. anybody's told joe biden that he's not coming the coronation. know if coronation. i don't know even if he's aware. but he isn't now coming impeccable coming because my impeccable sources white house tell sources in the white house tell me because don't sources in the white house tell me he's because don't sources in the white house tell me he's upiecause don't sources in the white house tell me he's up to ause don't sources in the white house tell me he's up to it..e don't sources in the white house tell me he's up to it. it's don't think he's up to it. it's strength wise. he's not fit to make trip. but is coming to make trip. but he is coming to northern ireland, so i don't know, maybe they just do a layover for a few weeks, you know, maybe it's just a bit too much to it's simple. much for him to do. it's simple. thank so much. really good thank you so much. really good to talk to you. that is, of course, paul is there in la. he's host of the politics he's the host of the politics people podcast. you so people podcast. thank you so much. a gb views much. well, this is a gb views on and on digital radio. stay on tv and on digital radio. stay tuned. more come in tuned. so much more to come in

the hour. the next hour. good afternoon. welcome aboard. it's just coming up to 5:00. this is dvds are the people's channel. don't forget can stream us live on youtube. i'm not a i'm for the next hour me and my panel be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine is theirs. of course it's yours. joining today, it's broadcaster and also christine hamilton, also journalist also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. then at five, it's week's difficult a conversation that was actually on a saturday is outside i've got a special guest who'll be live in the studio now let me give you some clues she's a tv personality who has a love very rare cars. has a love for very rare cars. she's also somebody used to have a very, very famous husband. those are some the clues. i'm sure you've worked it out then for the great british debate this hour i'm asking, should employees be able to see their employers hurt? all that

employers for hurt? all of that after your latest news headlines . it's 5:00. good evening to you. i'm alan armstrong, the gb newsroom the home secretary has rejected suggestions brexit could be the cause of delays at the port of dover . could be the cause of delays at the port of dover. holidaymakers trying to get away for easter break are still delays of up to 8 hours despite extra services running overnight, although authorities say it not half that long. so a four hour wait. officials have the delays on a lengthy immigration process . ms. lengthy immigration process. ms. braverman has singled out british—pakistani man over concerns about grooming gangs as she prepares to new measures to tackle child sexual abuse . the tackle child sexual abuse. the home secretary has accused authorities turning a blind eye to signs of abuse over fears of being labelled racist, bigoted, suggesting correctness is to blame. writing in the mail on sunday, she says those working

with children will have a legal duty to report signs or. suspicions of sexual abuse . suspicions of sexual abuse. safeguarding minister sarah dyson . it's a scourge of our dyson. it's a scourge of our society can't stop in making sure people are protected. children the most vulnerable part of our society as well as the elderly. we must make that they're not sexually abused. so i don't accept we're going to be rife . false reports. that may be rife. false reports. that may be one or two and they will be deau one or two and they will be dealt with and identified . the dealt with and identified. the overwhelming people that gave are truth to the are speaking the truth to the inquiry . it very inquiry. it was very heartbreaking . we need to act . heartbreaking. we need to act. the british government says it's in negotiations regarding three men being held by taliban in afghanistan. they include the houday afghanistan. they include the holiday maker of myles. right. that you had to be rescued from kabul by british forces. less than two years ago. it's unclear long he's been held for. a humanitarian network assisting . humanitarian network assisting. the other two men that is the charity medic, kevin cornwell and a second unnamed man who

were both detained in january say it believes they are in good health and are being treated well . the united health and are being treated well. the united is urging russia to immediately release the journalists they've detained on suspicion of spying . evan on suspicion of spying. evan gersh covets , who works for the gersh covets, who works for the wall street journal, pleaded guilty to the charges earlier this week. well, the us. secretary of state blinken has told russia's top sergei lavrov that the detention of a us. citizen is . lavrov has citizen is. lavrov has responded. he's accused washington of trying to politicise the case and says, gosh, coetzee's will be determined by a court. the white house has called on all us citizens in or travelling to russia to leave immediately. three people have been arrested on suspicion of murder after a man died when was hit by a van in cramlington . northumbria in cramlington. northumbria police say two men were injured in the car park. the bay horse pub last . one in the car park. the bay horse pub last. one was in the car park. the bay horse pub last . one was pronounced pub last. one was pronounced dead at the scene. the other remains in critical condition .

remains in critical condition. passport office workers are launching a week strike from tomorrow as part of bitter dispute overjobs tomorrow as part of bitter dispute over jobs pay, tomorrow as part of bitter dispute overjobs pay, pensions and conditions. more than a thousand members of the public and commercial services union eight sites will walk out . they eight sites will walk out. they will picket lines outside several offices, including glasgow, liverpool , london, glasgow, liverpool, london, belfast and, newport. the bbc's general secretary, has written to the government calling for urgent talks in a bid to resolve the matter and. the pope has laid a palm sunday service in rome a day after being sent home from hospital with bronchitis . from hospital with bronchitis. around 30,000 people came to watch pope francis opening the easter celebrations, which marked the start of holy . the 86 marked the start of holy. the 86 year old was driven to st peter's square in, the vatican city in back of an open top car as he passed through the crowds. the pope, though, earlier this week on wednesday was taken to hospital with breathing difficulties, but returned to

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job. i talk highs lows and lessons learned and what comes next on the outside. and today i've got a very, very special guest. now she has a love of vintage cars owning a 1938 bentley, which was inherited from her father. can you guess who she might be? she's a blonde bombshell. and then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should employees be able see their bosses for able to see their bosses for hurt feelings prime minister rishi sunak is receiving from his fellow tories after backing the worker protection . now this the worker protection. now this bill, which is slightly under the radar now, seems to offer new protections for workers who face abuse, harassment , unfair face abuse, harassment, unfair discrimination. but it could make it easier for employers to face litigation against their employees. now, is this an assault on our freedom of speech. stay tuned. find out. more about that. 550 another story that caught my eye. according to reports animal rebellion has planned to sabotage the grand national in a secret poll . i'll be joined by secret poll. i'll be joined by a racehorse owner to get the

latest. you can always me gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news news . gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news news. so it is time for this week's outside. now my very guest is a television presenting legend. now she has a fascinating career , spanning fascinating career, spanning across various different industries. she started out as a fashion designer and then hit our tv screens as presenter. you may recognise us from our appearances on this morning. wish you were here and the verdict. she's also written a book called the rabbit whisperer , which tells the story of her for , love rabbits and their for, love rabbits and their unique personalities. and she also enjoys running and has even completed the london and the great north run. she loves to remote places in extreme parts of the world. and in 2008, she made headlines , when she made headlines, when she divorced her former spouse , divorced her former spouse, chris tarrant. however, she has since moved on and continues pursue her passions. my guest has also lived a diverse,

exciting life and thrilled to join here today and share her experiences. how do you think she is? of course, the amazing tarrant. oh, you've done so much . i have done an awful lot. i wasted a second of my life. it's been crammed . and that was been crammed. and that was because my parents, they were very lively. they were adventurous. they they introduced so much. they opened eyes to the world. so we were very, very fortunate. i have to say. so some people don't know but. well, you your parents famous. tell us a little bit about. oh, not at my father about. oh, not at all. my father . i'm really a mongrel. so . well, i'm really a mongrel. so my father was half french, half. and mother, norwegian . so we and my mother, norwegian. so we were know , although i don't were know, although i don't think you can use that word, divorce. they called it mixed race these days. so apologies spending was offended i spending one was offended i don't would oh. don't think it would be. oh. oh. i can't get round. i know. don't think it would be. oh. oh. i can't get round. i know . can't i can't get round. i know. can't see that. but just in case anyone offended mongol. no, no, you can't say it again. it's just in case you're offended by that. just going to say it

again. well, she doesn't mean it offensive. she means offensive. she simply means mixed because mixed race. just because know there's different there's so many different things. can't these things. you can't say these things. you can't say these things. no, no. you can't say. that either. what was offended by rid her. i've by that? you get rid her. i've got enough but seriously, if got enough of. but seriously, if you me to talk, you can. you asked me to talk, you can. so i'll just be doing that. you asked me to talk, you can. so i'll just be doing that . yes. so i'll just be doing that. yes. no so you'll see your parents, your mixed. yes. i'm so. yes we were brought up multiple cultural. we can't say that . cultural. we can't say that. yeah, course you can. i'll let you know. don't worry. so we travelled an awful lot. my father . the family business, father. the family business, manganese and iron ore. and then he was introduced to this of fool's gold . it wasn't found in fool's gold. it wasn't found in water, but it's found in rock. it was mica. so he so it was in three countries. was he chose to mine. it's in south africa . and mine. it's in south africa. and then that sort of evolved from there. does it make him comfortable as a who he lives in

that so a lot of people don't realise obviously you're married to chris tarrant, so he what he did sort of overshadowed what you would expect might not seem what you were doing. talk to what you were doing. so talk to me the stuff that you do me about the stuff that you do because you were because i know you were a fashion. you've got a fashion brand. that knows brand. you've got that knows you're designer . yes. you're a fashion designer. yes. when school, then went when i left school, then i went and i did a course fashion design and then by sheer coincidence, i was at a boarding school. so it was very international. and one of my close friends was american. her was english. and he had this business that . to try his hand business that. to try his hand out on it. and it was a business. and my girlfriend, you know what you done? because left early and we lost touch. and i just said this is what i've done. and now i'm looking for jobs said, well, why don't you work for my. so i did. i ended up buying the company. oh, work for my. so i did. i ended up buying the company . oh, wow. up buying the company. oh, wow. i it was amazing. it was i know. it was amazing. it was it of the. it's fate. it was one of the. it's fate. hmm. unfortunately, mother hmm. unfortunately, his mother died , too, and they really took died, too, and they really took their eye off the ball and

everything. and i up just running the daily process. everything. and i up just running the daily process . and running the daily process. and then i went off on a travel trip to sell the designs , everything, to sell the designs, everything, and took the orders . another and took the orders. another complication, anyway , i won't go complication, anyway, i won't go into detail because it takes too long, but i ended up buying the company and then doing that. so i started exporting. and then it was a bit boring because you have to be quite stage know to that in classic and then and then i did the english market that was really avant garde and. it was it was brilliant. when you meet christine and how did you meet christine and how did you meet christine and how did you meet him? i met chris at tvm. i met my first he's my second husband, second ex—husband as well. i see. so i met my first ex husband at, itn, where i was working and my second one at i am i was working and i've never worked for anybody since because i don't want to meet the third. so i'll just in the workplace so . yes i just in the workplace so. yes i met him there and i was i had no idea who he was. i wasn't a tv

addict at so i'd never seen his voice or oti and i loved his was yeah everybody talking about you know after that bit the dog and everything kelty's. oh it was amazing. oh i knew about the masters, but i said , how can i masters, but i said, how can i never saw you? who was on the other side? and it was sally james, isn't it? he was with sally james. but i said, why didn't i see that show? why? why is just like miss my entire life and you said it was. no was the multicoloured sort of house. on what that. yeah. i what was that. yeah. so i watched that he preferred him to you if you like. if you think about that tv now. so boring. that swap shop used to that swap shop i used to actually watch a little bit then i got a bit annoyed with it after all just swapping stuff that when it that used to irritate me when it was but anyway so was really. but anyway now so you tv , you met chris tarrant you tv, you met chris tarrant and then kind of what did you do ? what, what happened? why did you. well, then i the first employee to be pregnant with my daughter, my second child, fear

. and luckily they took a vote because the company existed for two years. you have to be there two years. you have to be there two years. you have to be there two years. and whatever it was 18 months. and so that they said sort of, you know, i could stay on, is really nice on, which is really nice maternity leave and still have my come back. but in the meantime i left my first husband my daughter was four months old and sort of you know, did it alone sort of thing and then dunng alone sort of thing and then during the time that i was at tv then joined just a small little section in summer time and sort of special thing and we met i did not fall in love him and it wasn't love at first sight i can tell you in actual fact when i just sort of saw this sort of like on screen was like who is that, you know i can't say the word but anyway say oh gosh , i word but anyway say oh gosh, i can't get into more trouble. i've said two things already. so i've said two things already. so i said, well , anyway , no, i i said, well, anyway, no, i said, but actually i'll just say something else. i thought that. but you don't think that. yes. no anyway, so that was that. so

eventually i got to know him and gradually fell in love with him and he asked you out. what did they say? hey, we'll go with me. what's first? so it wasn't really just i think it was we just all kind of congregated the pub, you know, as one does and or one anymore. i know what you mean . it's only those odd one. mean. it's only those odd one. not that one that didn't like him at start. and this also crept on me. topic on horror. what is it a girl who grew bit of yes and he was he was thoroughly lovely and charming and the more i fell in love with him. and then what happened? and then at the end of that i will have enough to go . what have enough to go. what happened? and then we ended up living together. he was based in warwickshire at the time i had the house and he moved in with me and then he got the job at capha me and then he got the job at capita wages and was i'm quite nice. yeah. he was a lovely relationship and everything. on relationship and everything. oh yes. on it was lovely. so when you he sort of you discovered he had an affair. were you sort of

blindsided by it all completely really? yes, completely. i mean, i know everybody says of course you knew. of course you it didn't i didn't i. i asked him what was the matter , you know, what was the matter, you know, sort of like, have i done anything wrong supply is he anything wrong or supply is he thinking of having affair or thinking of having an affair or is having an affair. because is he having an affair. because if i said he would say if i said black, he would say white. this is cold dirty white. this is cold and dirty and absolutely blind and he swore absolutely blind that . and believed that he wasn't. and i believed him. it something you know, him. and it something you know, in denial. i'm not i'm not like now i am completely stunned as upfront and grounded in history . well, that's why you believed him, because sometimes think people are like you and they're not. then but i have really no person private detectives on. oh, did you. yeah oh, my god. yeah. so yes, the picture is. and that was she was horrendous. okay because i was hoping it wouldn't be true at point. you just think, oh, anyway, but that was that. and it was, well, this is this is a company i know. it's that was the end of it for. yeah i think the same if i found

the part i was with i'm thinking nobody wants me, but if i did find the part that he was with that i want that data and i discovered that they were having an affair. just i get out, i can't bothered just because i can't be bothered just because i can't be bothered just because i can't be bothered just because i can't be bothered. i don't want. oh, never trust again. oh, you never trust them again. well, it took me too long. i well, no, it took me too long. i know i never there's no know i will never there's no point. yeah, absolutely. you point. yeah, absolutely. so you so on. you've got so you moved on. you've got a new new man. no comment. bothered and bothered can't be bothered. and i singleton so i've got a i love a singleton so i've got a few friends, sort of gay friends, is always fun and friends, which is always fun and nice. oh, so you had nice. i'll go oh, so you had a little bit gay side of mine with me today. i just thought in my head outside of it, but no. and i've got really lovely male friends, platonic it's friends, platonic friends. it's really i have a i enjoy really lovely i have a i enjoy it. i enjoy it very much. i don't want to be tied down. i don't want to be tied down. i don't to encumbered . i'm don't want to be encumbered. i'm very i've you know i'm very free and i've you know i'm good on my own now. i'm single of my own and i'm too selfish and i ain't sharing. no, but you know, my mother said to me, you know, my mother said to me, you know, to divorce so dear, this is terrible. and she said, you know, said men ,

know, darling, she said men, love to feel, need to just be just like one, be needy and everything they love to feel. want to know if they and i said, i can't i can't do that. i can't i just can't do that. she said, well, try. so i tried by changing a light bulb and by not changing a light bulb and something it's something like that and it's all, you know, i'll just do it. i'll just do it or i'll fill the holes and put up that shelf and you , it's i am very, very you know, it's i am very, very independent. yeah, that's true. you have to you have act a little bit needy as a it is difficult it's difficult. i struggle with last about a minute what about you i love cars and you've got a classic cars and you've got a classic car talk to that it car talk to about that car it was my father's he blames my mother for being for meeting him for tea at the ritz. he said you were late and you're late. i've gone off before car. she wasn't at all. she just for maybe a minute . yeah. so he bought . so minute. yeah. so he bought. so it's been in the family since about 1950. it's a bentley isn't . it's a bentley. it's a 1938 for the court. later bentley and employer and there's only i

believe three in the world. and because war stopped production and the other side i think one is in i think i've i'm told it's possible at once a ninja won south africa and i've got one that's here i want you to is it worth a lot probably, but i have no idea. yeah i've got it insured for probably what my father paid for him. he needs to sort that out . let's just hope sort that out. let's just hope that it doesn't go up in flames or anything . it's never going to or anything. it's never going to be sold. so i'm not interested. not, but it's interesting . i not, but it's interesting. i mean, i fear my daughters to have it. she's absolutely the right person to inherit. delighted. delighted. so so what are you doing now, then? because i do. are you still i know you do. are you still doing qvc? no. so i doing stuff with qvc? no. so i did quite a long time, which did qvc quite a long time, which was fantastic. a wonderful. so i was fantastic. a wonderful. so i was the brand ambassador and was it was a wonderful i just, i thoroughly enjoyed it just a little , actually. this is one of little, actually. this is one of hers doing kim yong kim. she's cold. yeah they don't do that

front anymore. so when she went i went but it was, it was a fantastic live tv. it was great fun, wonderful. you know , i love fun, wonderful. you know, i love that. i don't care if it's saturday and. yes, i don't do that anymore . it was it was nice that anymore. it was it was nice to get back the world of fashion. it wasn't what i was doing it when. i was in fashion. it was it much more kind of quirky . but. it was it much more kind of quirky. but. yes, and so i wrote i did travel articles as well because always travelled , always because always travelled, always wanted to travel. and i saw when i was about ten or 11 years old, i was about ten or 11 years old, i said to father, my ambition is to travel the world. but he asked what my ambition was and i said to travel the world and have a company get some list on the stock exchange. i'll tell you that when i was about ten or 11. i said that was a bit older but once travel was i said. well it's very good ambition to have how many countries are there and i worked out then there were 238 but if you it now, i

but if you google it now, i think it's 197. which it think it's197. which is it extraordinarily because so many countries but countries have broken up. but i'm getting i'm almost there really . yeah. i've done about really. yeah. i've done about 117 when you've got quite a few , there's still a few to go, but but more than halfway you for this because that going to be doing well and so that's well i was do the stuff was going to do all the stuff this this year minus like one or two probably i have to there for long. would you just just go it's up in air then. you know i'm not like a japanese tourist, i'm not like a japanese tourist, i go and meet locals i really go and meet the locals also. if i can, i can gatecrash their home or the gatecrashed wedding party to go on your own. i've been on my own . i've gone i've been on my own. i've gone with friends. unfortunately of mine are getting kind of old and a little bit they want in their their you see i still go trekking and nobody wants trekking and nobody really wants to in with me. so to go check in with me. so i went backpacking with my son he did his post uni gap year and the only person would do it. so i thought, okay a year travelling, you're doing tv stuff . yep. and i was writing stuff. yep. and i was writing a lot and yes , all sorts of

lot and yes, all sorts of things. well, thank you very much for sharing. it's lovely to talk to you . interesting that is talk to you. interesting that is the fabulous ingrid tarrant. she's a broadcast and a television personality and a whole lot more. right. well, coming up , whole lot more. right. well, coming up, it's whole lot more. right. well, coming up , it's time for our coming up, it's time for our great british debate this hour. i'm asking, should employees be able see their bosses for her able to see their bosses for her feelings? minister rishi feelings? foreign minister rishi sunak from within sunak is backlash from within his party after he backed his own party after he backed two bills that could leave employers at higher of litigation. critics have warned workplaces could turn into police states with . discussing police states with. discussing that in just a moment.

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all good. we're live on tv online, on digital radio. it's for the great british debate. this out. i'm asking, should employees be able to see their bosses for hurt feelings? no, thatis bosses for hurt feelings? no, that is true. this is what this thing is about prime minister rishi is receiving rishi sunak is receiving criticism his party after criticism from his party after backing the worker protection bill. now the bill seeks to offer new protections to employees who face abuse, harassment and unfair discrimination . now, this could discrimination. now, this could mean that doctors shop , mean that doctors shop, assistants and bar staff could take legal action against their employers if a member of the pubuc employers if a member of the public insults . but what does public insults. but what does this mean for average workplace? what could the slip of the tongue cause a costly course court case? very tricky to say it under the first debate that obviously costly court case. is this an assault on speech? what do you think? a significant number senior tory mp seem to think so they warned that the proposed an proposed law lead to an explosion of litigation and forced owners to run to forced business owners to run to their establishments like a police state. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm

asking should employees be to sue their bosses for feelings? i'm by communication i'm joined now by communication officer at the institute of economic affairs , abraham economic affairs, abraham and former labour list, former head of the labour list, peter and the leader of peter edwards. and the leader of the william and television the sdp, william and television personality narinder kaur. right. so i start with i want to start want i'll do it with you because here in the studio reading, what do you think? i mean, this is the legislation that's come in some of the terminology it a bit loose terminology makes it a bit loose and available to manipulated and available to be manipulated . course. i mean, being . well, of course. i mean, being hurt feelings entirely hurt hurt feelings is entirely subject here. this is the exact same problem that arises from the online safety bill right . the online safety bill right. legal but harmful, a definition thatis legal but harmful, a definition that is incredibly subjective. this psychological harm from from the online safety bill. i mean, again, look, when it comes to suing your employer, there are no reasons why you might want to see employer. however, a customer be being rude to you is should be reason i mean should not be reason to. i mean anybody worked customer anybody that's worked customer service customers can service knows that customers can be incredibly rude and it is not to the fault of your employer.

this then of course open up a amount bombshell litigations amount of bombshell litigations across businesses across the country and i think actually will cause a lot of businesses to having close to pay to end up having to close to pay for well, let's to for it. well, let's get to william post. and william, what do ? yeah, i mean, i do you think? yeah, i mean, i think it's for not first time progressives ruining a good cause , overextending it to cause, overextending it to discouraging harassment is a goodidea. discouraging harassment is a good idea. but this discouraging harassment is a good idea . but this particular good idea. but this particular bill is not surprising. also that it's proposed by lib dems . that it's proposed by lib dems. you think we can sort of arbitrate way into harmony the problem? as has been said , the problem? as has been said, the third parties. how does an employee control a customer ? i employee control a customer? i mean, how does an employer control what a customer does when the customer goes into a pub or a cafe or whatever? it's unreasonable to think that an employer can do that. so i'm i think this is an overstep , not think this is an overstep, not the first time something is proposed by. the lib dems or other progressives , and not for other progressives, and not for the first time the tories are

asleep at the wheel because it's going past the first reading and the second reading and that kind of keep slithering . it will be of keep slithering. it will be a law. what do you think, peter ? law. what do you think, peter? well, i don't think there's too much that's progressive about the lib dems. it's been a decade long on workers rights long assault on workers rights to look at one example and, if someone who works in a supermarket is racially abused , supermarket is racially abused, that's a criminal offence. already quite rightly so. and i also look briefly at who's bringing in this bill in the house of lords locally, but it was a little yeah, it was a little lib dem coalition that led to assault on workers rights under david cameron around employment tribunal rules, around making collective redundancies and so on and so on. i think lib dems deposed on. so i think lib dems deposed as defenders of workers rights is hypocritical and nonsense because . it's the word because. it's the word harassment that is the problem in orinda . well, i don't think in orinda. well, i don't think it's unreasonable because you can't build a business on the exploitation and abuse of staff and it is about repeated harassment because why should say , for example, a lady is

say, for example, a lady is working pub constantly be having to be exposed to a customer that's in to sexually her has to be on the onus of the employer to make sure that that doesn't happen. that's not unreasonable. that's actually you know we have to policy in place preventing any kind of abuse. so it's not about feelings. this is about clear to respond and report to this of abuse. no one to be expected to go to work to face abuse. why should they ? what can abuse. why should they? what can i ask them? and just very briefly, do you are you a boss? so you an employer, have you ever been an employer ? well, i ever been an employer? well, i worked in a shop in my parent's shop, i customers would be abusive, but made my family made sure that that customer could not come back in the shop. and so that shop let's take the shop then. so that shop let's take the shop then . so if somebody you employ then. so if somebody you employ somebody working in the shop and a customer in and was abusive to person working in that shop you would be the first now to

account we are the owner of the shop. we would be held to account not the person is not the abusive customer, not the our employee . that is the our employee. that is the purpose of the work is protection. but is the employer has to make sure that their employer is safe and not always . over 50% of women in hospitality have experienced sexual harassment as the employee go, make sure they're safe . in what world is of the safe. in what world is of the customer going to be? in what world is the employer responsible? a customer's behaviour they control what the customers are doing that you bottom up so did but how can who can control the customers we won't let them back in the shop . the abuse might have happened before those , but what if before those, but what if somebody said something horrible and i've got a feelings? so i said, right, that's it. and it was only happened once. and then i go, and i sue you. that's what this is about. once the bill is in about just what it is meant,

it could be one one's. peter, what do you think? because i don't know. does it sound like you support either? well, i would struggle to support anything . that's allegedly the anything. that's allegedly the name of workers rights is by the lib dems mean. i think we can all agree there's a problem and i've worked pubs, i've worked i've worked in pubs, i've worked in and i've even in a supermarket and i've even worked a and you know, most worked as a and you know, most people cheap, people are nice, cheap, occasionally but occasionally they're not, but some of the things we're talking about are criminal offences already. there's already. of course there's a burden employer to be a burden on any employer to be a good employer stand up for good employer and stand up for their . my is that their staff. my worry is that some the coalition have some of the coalition have reduced threshold for reduced the threshold for employers to protect their employees . and actually if employees. and actually if you're an ordinary worker particularly on a on low pay , particularly on a on low pay, the climb is much tougher due to pay the climb is much tougher due to pay in trade union legislation. it was ten years ago . what do it was ten years ago. what do you think they should really be doing? can we stop this thing? because i is. how far is it down the line ? it's not. it's a bill. the line? it's not. it's a bill. it's not some of that that hasn't been approved of the

tories wanting to stop this good as should stop it. there is existing that covers most of this . if they this existing that covers most of this. if they this , existing that covers most of this . if they this , it'll this. if they allow this, it'll have a chilling effect on debate. i think in pubs and cafes around the country is wrong. i think ask any doorman to, a nightclub or a busy bar. how many times would you hear things that you consider you'd be finished in the evening. that's the reality so in the real world. this is not a practical bit of legislation. it's overextension in the. i think that's completely unfair. say that to a that the job that's part of his and actually is expected that a woman expect to go to work and be harassed andifs to go to work and be harassed and it's about protect these women and of the people who are constantly harassed and employer has to take those rights and they to put in proper policy and i this workers protection bill this isn't woke nonsense this is so you said never in your essentially saying that it's okay for these male sort of people on the of nightclubs to

be harassed but actually when it's a woman behind the bar then it's a woman behind the bar then it's okay why why is it a double standard? what is needed when neither neither the neither is acceptable, but the mama book said that it was actually this is this is incorrect and this happens all the time. we must accept it neither should accept this. okay they should listen to you guys for ages. thank you so much, abraham, political commentator. peter edwards, former editor of the labour list, william castle. thank you very much leader of the sdp and also tv personality narinder kaur. also tv personality narinder kaur . this is dvd is on tv and kaur. this is dvd is on tv and on digital radio on the way will continue with our great parties debate hour. asking, debate this hour. i'm asking, should employees able sue should employees be able sue their bosses for hurt? if you are the thoughts of my panel author broadcaster christine author and broadcaster christine hamilton also hamilton and also in broadcasting journalist danny kelly. let's get your kelly. but first, let's get your latest headlines headlines latest news headlines headlines . hi there. it's 533. good evening to you. i'm aaron. i'm

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it's time for a quick british debate this hour. and i'm asking , should employees be able to see their bosses for her tv prime minister is you see that criticism from his own party after backing the worker protection bill. now the bill seeks to offer new protections to employees who face abuse, harassment and unfair discrimination and could mean that doctors shop assistants and bar staff could legal action against their employers. if a member of the public them. so what this actually mean if the average workplace well could tip of a tongue cause costly court cases.is of a tongue cause costly court cases. is this an assault on freedom of speech . do you think freedom of speech. do you think so for the great press debate this hour, i'm asking, should employees able to sue their bosses for hurt feelings? let's see what my panel of that. see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster and author christine hamilton nelson broadcasting, author christine hamilton nelson broadwasing, author christine hamilton nelson broadwas not written on that. kelly was not written on that. i'm just saying it now. i'm being nice. my title 30 feelings. feelings mean it's harassment is the way i agree with narinder to a certain

extent very well yeah because if you're an and you allow repeat call them offenders if you allow repeat to come into the place of work and sexually harass. i think she was on about sexual harassment but you're wrong about her feelings that that was totally different. well that's right so the bill the definition of what is encompassed within it to be a lot looser so therefore sexual harassment that's already covered but the fact that they turned it into harassment which means that that could be a lot of things could just call you something she's harassed me then you tell gb news to get me you could tell gb news to get me in trouble. to say thank you. you do him on a fairly regular basis. i think he wants me back you quite . unfair my you up quite. unfair to my friend. on but danny likes it. got it done. he's laughing. oh, you're saying that? listen to you're saying that? listen to you you can talk about sometimes you you can talk about sometimes you i've heard you join you join. i've heard you join in. i have thick skin . don't say in. i have thick skin. don't say that. didn't say anything . i that. i didn't say anything. i said say anything. same said don't say anything. same thing. said i don't listen thing. he said i don't listen anyway go to the reader anyway. go go back to the reader . she she mentions she was

brought up in shop with a in brought up in a shop with a in the moment that is her anti mum dad constantly racist calls through the doors not that nannder through the doors not that narinder would ever show her mum and dad, but you juxtapose that with an employer and employee relationship. now then i would say gaffer , are you allowing me say gaffer, are you allowing me to be racially abused? but that's an extreme . we're talking that's an extreme. we're talking about 35, 40 covid. that's all. regardless we're talking about hurt your feelings. regardless we're talking about hurt your feelings . say hurt your feelings. say something, you knock it, then you say gb news. she said that to me, but somebody else might hear that and think, oh, that's fun it's all to do with the interpretation. and it's so subjective feelings. subjective about feelings. yeah. and , the law needs and unfortunately, the law needs to be more defined rather than subject divorce because christine's . right. you know, christine's. right. you know, you take the mickey out of my size and i could say, you know what, i'm really fatal. we're not taking the mickey out of my size and saying, i'm to size and saying, i'm going to sit . i'm size and saying, i'm going to sit. i'm going say i'm going sit. i'm going to say i'm going to gb news. but i think if to sue. gb news. but i think if you have found earlier you would have found out earlier what relationship what all relation relationship i was sensitive and you would know

i wouldn't so for example i know i'll push it as far as i'm to push it, but i'll be friendly and i'm so i wouldn't want to hurt some of these feelings if that they? you're not a that would they? you're not a bully. i wouldn't say were bully. i wouldn't say you were kind, say, oh, kind, but i wouldn't say, oh, see, the arm can hurt feelings. now, who? can you go? yeah, yeah, going sue your yeah, i'm going to sue your carry yeah. you go. what if carry on. yeah. you go. what if you got a boss? what do you haven't got a boss? what do i it's just i do then? i know it's just open. doesn't work like a open. it doesn't work like a coloured to the some of the holes in it. yeah. it's to me. what you think. well what do you think. well the point you've this, the point you've covered this, the extreme cases, of course, people are already covered law, are already covered by law, already it. is already have it. this is a ludicrous. it's classic example of that go shooting of these bills that go shooting through afternoon through on a friday afternoon when is there. when absolutely nobody is there. i that the government i am amazed that the government didn't somebody didn't make sure that somebody there object and there to show that object and that would have stopped it in its tracks. would have then its tracks. it would have then had proper debating time, except wouldn't because the government wouldn't make for it. it's now going after house of going shooting after house of lords goodness how lords where goodness knows, how much will much parliamentary time will be wasted. ludicrous. wasted. it it's ludicrous. completely ludicrous. it's far too over—the—top, too loose too over—the—top, far too loose and. we will end up if this gets

passed, we end up with no end of case. well, what they could do matching up? you take it to a typical lib dem fatal. well rob bryant sent message in saying we go to at our money it's not playtime or a nice experience honestly cast off the cotton wool and grow up i'm with you right this show is nothing without you and your views as well come some of our great british voices their opportunity to show and tell us to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics why discussing today i've got two you for not some of them two of you for not some of them have i've all of have vanished so i've got all of that there in grimsby that mcneely there in grimsby alan me off. what do you alan start me off. what do you think hurt your feelings that afternoon. policy afternoon. well think any policy that's forward the non that's put forward the non democratic liberal party should be treated with the greatest of suspicion. it seems to me that it's absolutely bonkers . does it's absolutely bonkers. does this mean that as i'm sitting in a pub or something in converse with a friend and someone overhears conversation and are offended by we're talking about that's not the employee that go to see the report. it just seems

to see the report. it just seems to be absolutely bonkers all out of out of my still there in durham. what's your view on this? i think the trouble is with so much of this legislation is too ambiguous. we saw it with the online safety bill when it was but harmful nobody was legal but harmful nobody could define that. and could really define that. and when comes to offensive. when it comes to offensive. nobody define this either. nobody can define this either. even lib dem co—sponsors of even the lib dem co—sponsors of this that offence is this bill admit that offence is subjective . it seems slightly subjective. it seems slightly draconian . my opinion, i mean, draconian. my opinion, i mean, you've invited me on the show this afternoon. if i now say something that feelings are something that your feelings are you to able to sue gb news you going to able to sue gb news and it seems strange that you'd be able sue gb news but not be able to sue gb news but not me. the person said it. so me. the person who said it. so it just seems bonkers my it just seems quite bonkers my opinion. yeah, i believe i opinion. yeah, i believe that i delinquency adam durham delinquency and adam durham thank so much really to thank you so much really good to talk to you. excellent. thank you. that is so true. you. yes that is so true. i mean, it's just so, so subjective . but let's move on to subjective. but let's move on to another this one caught another story. this one caught my today. an article in my eye today. it's an article in mail sunday. revealed mail on sunday. it revealed animal planned animal rebellion had planned to sabotage grand national in sabotage the grand national in a secret plot it's not that secret plot. it's not that secret plot. it's not that secret thing. it was on the

coven secret thing. it was on the cover. it's believed that they intended to glue themselves together barricade together as a human barricade and stand the course. so to and stand the course. soto discuss , i'm joined by racehorse discuss, i'm joined by racehorse owner abbey macgregor abbey. thank you so much for joining me. i'll be talk to you about this how ridiculous it is. this and how ridiculous it is. what are your what's your view? well, i think it's absolutely disgraceful. well they're planning to do is stop thousands, millions of people experiencing the thrill and exhilaration of what is for the best sporting events on the great british calendar. and one of the most famous and well—loved races in the world. and so i think it's time we called these people for what they are they're extremists who want to force their authoritarian views on people by dressing a topless compassion for animals . dressing a topless compassion for animals. so even if you don't watch horse racing, everybody should be very by maniacs having no qualms launching an attack on what is a world class great british sport now because if they succeed in killing horse racing, what will they next? well, of course

they're the vegans . this whole they're the vegans. this whole all vegan thing, wasn't it? because well, isn't that the reason why they're doing it? is it like vegan society or, it like a vegan society or, something ? well, they quite something? well, they quite often say that they're doing it for the welfare of the horses. but let's be clear, our welfare record is exemplary. it's the best it's ever been. so the stick the jockeys use is harmless energy absorbing the colours of the obstacles are now white instead of orange because it's visually for the animals that retains are as fast as they are outstanding and i'm not going to sit here tell you that one day we're going to get to zero fatalities and zero injuries. and i think most sensible people out there will understand that it's our job to make sure that our and our athletes are as safe as possible . but like all sports, there is an of risk in horses aren't for anything else. now but we don't eat them. we don't use this upon the fields. so these horses will be alive. have had it not been

for horse racing and they certainly wouldn't be as well cared for. so whilst we'll always take steps to ensure the welfare is the best it can be, what we can't do is with the integrity of the sport because me race is like ascot in the grand national. there are part of what it means to be british and we can't let these extremist women in trying to destroy our great sport . lovely. abby great sport. lovely. abby macgregor, thank you so much joining me she's a racehorse owner have you thank you very much. well, let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by christine hamilton kennedy. christine, think christine, what do you think about well, if it so about that? well, if it is so cruel to the horses, as these people why do horses people allege, why do horses ride horses on ride unless horses continue on round course jumping with round the course jumping with everybody if they really everybody else, if they really hated it, they wouldn't, would they? just tail off. they? they would just tail off. and said, they and as your guest said, they have improved safety. absolutely no. and what i would like to see if it's do glue them all, simpson glue themselves together across the course i would just raise the starting and let the

horses go and i like that this animal, isn't it it in action with that fact. yeah and any organisation with the word rebellion at the end i seem to think they're all idiots . what think they're all idiots. what they're underestimated is middle class lunatics. you underestimate fact that at the grand national on a saturday there are thousands of drunk mostly lads from working class areas who get shipped into liverpool to. enjoy the greatest spectacle in the equine calendar and believe you me if you have 30 people glue themselves , 30 people glue themselves, you'll soon merseyside you'll soon need merseyside police actually prevent a lynch because these people won't the middle class what is called vegan rebellion lightly i promise you now would have all of these skulls rolling onto the pitch and they'd get battered. i don't condone it. i wouldn't want to see a horse clip. anyone but they would. i know. look at battered . you don't agree with battered. you don't agree with me just. i don't to. me just. no, i don't to. i don't. because you're going to kill was a joke, kill someone that was a joke, by the way. you do. in fact, what all i'm saying is that that would be the inevitability of it

christine's theory is uninhabitable. don't to uninhabitable. you don't to allow the horses to clatter into the world excluded numbers are absolutely loved and adored by their owners . i hate the race their owners. i hate the race though i can't really well i can't watch it. i watch it through my fingers sometimes on what you're saying. but they have improved the safety aspect beyond in the last 20 years. well, yeah. and you know, i don't like to see cruelty to animals, but i don't they're being cruel. they're not compensation. why the horses who have why do they have dumped their why do they keep why do they keep keep going on? why do they keep jumping? they can run away. everybody ironically everybody i just so ironically i a car to an equine vet who around country to these around the country to these meetings and unfortunately she has them down sometimes has to put them down sometimes picking car tuesday . picking the car up on tuesday. lovely woman all sport is dangerous oh oh on the hottest day just off of a sunday where my panel and i discussed some of the news stories caught there, i am joined by author and broadcaster christine hamilton and broadcaster and journalist carey. with danny's carey. let's start with danny's supplement which about supplement, which is about poussin. richest in poussin. i mean, the richest in the world. i don't have my

supplements . okay. apparently supplements. okay. apparently the biggest violence on planet earth may . also be the richest earth may. also be the richest man in the world. he seems have amassed $200 billion fortune with palaces , yachts. and of with palaces, yachts. and of course, he's an expensive taste in coats . so this course, he's an expensive taste in coats. so this violent thug could potentially because forget in 1991 the fall of the us saw all of these major companies like the energy companies they were all up for grabs. the national companies, the that the muscovites had to rely to get around the country, etc, etc. all of them were sold off at preferential to his thuggish mates and he's at the top of the pyramid. but of course would be you wouldn't be at the bottom, would it? putin yes. okay. i'm not saying you didn't. i don't think putin that thug politics, he might be what he is. he might not happy with you, christine, a look at your supplement notes. well, this isn't even a supplement. is on page supplement. this is on the page of daily telegraph. sunday telegraph . farmers are ordered telegraph. farmers are ordered to feed cows methane suppressants to help reach net

zero. they're going to stop them belching from one end and farting from the other . belching from one end and farting from the other. i promise you, ministers , it isn't promise you, ministers, it isn't april the first, is it? most panic those you force farmers to give their livestock compound feeds that contain additives to reduce gas. i suggest a terrible foodstuff of the cow. this food i suggest none are included in our diets. you trust me on this story ? 18% keep our diets. you trust me on this story ?18% keep this quiet story? 18% keep this quiet serious. listen to me. this is why it's serious? because apparently 14% of the total carbon emissions created by human activity comes from cows. yeah but i thought if it isn't this something else actually comes a lot from us as well. well, yes, but we're all. that'll be the next one, won't all be given the special methane. so i don't on the methane. so i don't on the methane suppressant, i wonder what an advantage at all what just is an advantage at all to . yes and you can say that to. yes and you can say that it's not bombshell . oh, oh, very it's not bombshell. oh, oh, very good on the top the plan sheep as well. oh, god now . listen, we

as well. oh, god now. listen, we want we need to know what the aftermath going to be, what effects and how it damages them. and when eat it, it does to and when we eat it, it does to us. but i myself over to my supplement this is the bbc supplement and this is the bbc choice of the uk as representative in this year's eurovision , which been eurovision, which has been criticised by tory meps over her political views . now lee political views. now lee anderson accused the bbc trying to plant a left wing entrant into the competition following into. the competition following the tweets from mother the service tweets from mother on may who said that boris johnson didn't deserve an icu bed as the then prime minister when was in hospital, when he nearly died of covid. i mean, that that's what a horrendous thing to say . she that that's what a horrendous thing to say. she branded that that's what a horrendous thing to say . she branded the thing to say. she branded the tories as racist elites and said the boris didn't deserve . well, the boris didn't deserve. well, thatis the boris didn't deserve. well, that is all fully anderson. so stupid though. the bbc on anderson cooper. don't say that he's coming to work here and he's coming to work here and he's a lot bigger than you. well, look knock, knock. let's suppose. no i like most of what he like most what he he says, like most of what he says, loses credibility says, but he loses credibility when says a bbc plant, when he says it's a bbc plant, that's just farcical. well, i don't think farcical.

don't think it's farcical. i just think there is a sort talking about the way the bbc having 15 years as one of having spent 15 years as one of the have in one of the top, have got it in one of the top, have got it in one of the top, have got it in one of the top chat show host at the bbc. can assure you it's not bbc. i can assure you it's not a place, christine. well, it isn't the who have chosen this. the bbc who have chosen this. she was apparently i mean, i'm not interested in the eurovision song was apparently song because she was apparently chosen but chosen by a public vote. but the fact has made this fact is that she has made this her slurs against the then prime minister, didn't minister, saying he didn't deserve a hospital. deserve to be in a hospital. that's and this whatever that's awful. and this whatever she is, is representing us at the eurovision song contest and that i just that is what is wrong. i just say quickly when boris say so very quickly when boris left hospital, i as left hospital, i it as a positive story and i was admonished by the bbc. well listen, don't worry about it. you know, you've got the bbc and twice then they say we've been asking are you fed up with the nhs? and according our nhs? and according to our twitter poll, 68% of say yes twitter poll, 68% of you say yes and 32% of you say no . thank you and 32% of you say no. thank you so much. my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton, i guess that's the thing. i'm forgetting that. yes, i think it's insulting to you at home

for your company. be back next saturday at 3:00. make sure join me. have a fabulous week and i'll leave you with the weather. enjoy hello there , i'm greg enjoy hello there, i'm greg hurst and welcome to latest broadcast from the met office . broadcast from the met office. try over the next few days high pressure builds in we see plenty of sunny spells by day but chilly night and then rain later moving in by the middle of the week. this area of high pressure anchored to the east of us, keeping the bay keeping with the at bay generally the next days. generally over the next days. but try and move in as but they will try and move in as we head towards wednesday and bringing wetter windy bringing some wetter and windy weather and the weather across the north and the west. evening out there . west. chilly evening out there. got skies across much of got clear skies across much of the uk. just some thicker cloud around and western areas. this will generally keep the frost at bay here. elsewhere under the clear tonight , bay here. elsewhere under the clear tonight, we'll bay here. elsewhere under the clear tonight , we'll see clear skies tonight, we'll see temperatures in close if temperatures fall in close if not freezing, minus two to not below freezing, minus two to minus four in the prone of northern england and southern scotland. but that means plenty of blue skies to start the day on monday morning, a chilly start you might need to scrape the the cold, but will

the ice of the cold, but will soon melt away as the sun gets to work and then through the day on a day to come of on monday a fine day to come of sunny spells sunshine a bit hazy though, limited across parts though, and limited across parts of northern and scotland of northern ireland and scotland . temperatures doing quite well. 14 or 15 celsius in the north, in the west but still chilly along some coast with the breeze coming off the north sea here. temperatures falling away again monday evening . those clear monday evening. those clear skies, the cloud just thickening across parts of northern ireland, western scotland, further , this weather system further, this weather system starts to move in giving a few splashes of rain. but just nofice splashes of rain. but just notice the blues returning back on map indicating a frost. on the map indicating a frost. returning to take us into tuesday morning, returning to take us into tuesday morning , that means tuesday morning, that means again, a sunny start across much of england and wales. cloudy skies across northern ireland, far of scotland to begin with. some patchy rain and drizzle here this continues through the day. but elsewhere plenty of sunny spells over again . sunny spells over again. sunshine just turning hazy further east across parts of scotland, northern england into the afternoon and temperatures

not too bad in that that wet weather moving in for wednesday and thursday but temperatures a little above average average . there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

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