welcome back to gb news. it is 7:00. good evening to you. i'm karen armstrong in the gb newsroom. the home secretary suella braverman has rejected suggestions brexit has responsible for delays at the port of dover, as despite some passengers saying they had to queue for up to 16 hours to have their passports checked. holidaymakers trying to get away for easter are still facing delays of up to 8 hours, despite services being put on overnight . port officials have blamed delays on a lengthy immigration process . ms. braverman, process. ms. braverman, meanwhile , singled out meanwhile, singled out

british—pakistani men over concerns about grooming gangs. she prepares to announce new measures to tackle child sexual abuse. measures to tackle child sexual abuse . writing in the mail on abuse. writing in the mail on sunday, the home secretary says authorities have turned a blind eye to signs of abuse over fears of being labelled racist or bigoted. she's blaming political correctness, safeguarding minister sarah dines says it's a scourge of our society. cards in making sure that people are protected. children are the most vulnerable part of our society as well as the elderly. we must make sure that they're not sexually abused. so i don't accept going to be rife accept we're going to be rife with false reports. that may be one two, they will be one or two, and they will be dean one or two, and they will be dealt and identified. the overwhelming people gave overwhelming people that gave evidence speaking the truth evidence are speaking the truth to inquiry, and it was very to the inquiry, and it was very heartbreaking we need heartbreaking testimony. we need to act. the families of two of the three british men being detained in afghanistan say they are being treated fairly after what they've described as an unscripted emotional call. a spokesman for two of the men, kevin cornwell , and one who is

kevin cornwell, and one who is unnamed , says it represents unnamed, says it represents tremendous progress. they have beenin tremendous progress. they have been in custody january. it is unclear how long. the third man, the so—called danger tourist, myles routledge, has been held. the government says it's in negotiations regarding adding their safety . at least one their safety. at least one person's been killed and 16 others injured in an explosion at a cafe in st petersburg . the at a cafe in st petersburg. the prominent pro—russian military blogger, vlad len tataki, is confirmed to have died and he is a vocal supporter of russia's war in ukraine. a local news website in st petersburg's reported the cafe targeted was once owned by evgeny prigozhin , once owned by evgeny prigozhin, the head of russia's wagner group , a notorious private army group, a notorious private army of mercenary fighting in ukraine. no one has yet claimed responsibility . the united responsibility. the united states is urging russia to immediately release a journalist who has been detained , suspicion who has been detained, suspicion of spying . evan kerkovich , who of spying. evan kerkovich, who works for the wall street

journal , works for the wall street journal, pleaded not guilty earlier this week. the us secretary of state , antony secretary of state, antony blinken, has told russia's top diplomat it's unacceptable . in diplomat it's unacceptable. in response. sergei lavrov has accused washington of trying to politicise the case he be facing up to 20 years in prison. politicise the case he be facing up to 20 years in prison . the up to 20 years in prison. the pope's letter palm sunday service in rome a day after being sent home from hospital with bronchitis. around 30,000 people came to watch pope francis opening easter, celebrate , which marked the celebrate, which marked the start of holy week . the pope was start of holy week. the pope was taken to hospital on wednesday for breathing difficulties but returned home to the vatican , returned home to the vatican, having made a swift recovery . he having made a swift recovery. he returned home yesterday . tv returned home yesterday. tv online, the abc plus radio and onune. online, the abc plus radio and online . and this is gb news. now online. and this is gb news. now it's online. and this is gb news. now wsfime online. and this is gb news. now it's time for free speech nation donald trump is indicted on

criminal charges. suella braverman that rwanda is safe for migrants and a youtube is harassed as he tries to film a supposedly peaceful protest . supposedly peaceful protest. this is free speech nation . this is free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle . this is a with me, andrew doyle. this is a show where we take a look at current affairs, politics and we're going to be keeping you updated on the latest escapades of our close friends, the culture warriors who oh, what will they cancel next? anticipation is killing me. coming the show tonight, coming up on the show tonight, women's activist kelly women's rights activist kelly keane will be here to tell us about frightening experience. she in new zealand as she she had in new zealand as she was hounded by angry mob. was hounded by an angry mob. author and educator cycle cuthbert will tell us about the latest campaign by don't divide us, which poses the question when does education turn into indoctrination .7 and we're also indoctrination? and we're also going to be talking to a youtuber who accidentally happened upon an apparently peaceful protest found peaceful protest and found himself accosted harassed himself accosted and harassed while the police appeared to do

nothing at all. and of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from the audience, the lovely studio audience, all that and much, much more. but first introduce my studio first to introduce my studio guests are the guests this evening are the comedians whetton comedians cressida whetton and frances . along coming up frances foster. along coming up in brighton , is that right? yes. in brighton, is that right? yes. work in progress. in brighton, is that right? yes. work in progress . well, so you work in progress. well, so you give it a go. well, you can come. but, you know, lawyer expectations. so and it means that they can't complain if it's no. exactly. even though planned it. yeah. perfect. frances, how are you? i'm very well. andrew, how you? i'm all right. how are you? i'm all right. well, just back from well, i've just come back from capn, well, i've just come back from capri, so i've had. i don't want to hear any more. no, i'm entitled to holiday from. no, you're rub your you're not told to rub your happiness my face. sorry, my. happiness in my face. sorry, my. well, going to get well, okay. we're going to get some audience some questions from audience now. question from now. our first question is from danny. hello, danny. what's your question? hello my question is, is donald going to jail is donald trump going to jail a is donald trump going to jail a is exciting, isn't it? so donald trump, you probably you must have read this. he's been indicted a manhattan grand

indicted by a manhattan grand jury indicted by a manhattan grand jury charge . he's jury on criminal charge. he's relating to this alleged hush money payments that he made to stormy daniels adult film star. yes so i'll come to you as an expert in that area. francis, thank you very much. i'm an expert politics. you're expert in politics. you're right. that's exactly what i meant. i'm familiar with her meant. i'm not familiar with her work, what do you. it's work, but what do you. it's demographic. i'm almost. so what is this? what's going on here? what do you think? so what is going on? so trump is alleged to had sexual relations to quote one former us president with stormy daniels. but that isn't the problem. it isn't the problem that he paid allegedly $130,000 in hush money. well, is it a problem? is it trump did the most trump right possible and listed it as a business expense. yeah now that's going to be key, isn't it? ultimately because if it is the case that he privately paid to keep it quiet and that's a misdemeanour , that's not going to go anywhere . so they must be anywhere. so they must be confident that this is a felony and that they can escalate it to and that they can escalate it to a felony, connect it to the

campaign. and that's what it looks like to me this is a completely ridic lawless move on their part because what they've doneis their part because what they've done is they've actually made trump victim trump look like the victim here because know this because we all know this political this is political. we know wouldn't for know they wouldn't do this for any apart from any other president apart from him. now he go. look, him. so now he can go. look, it's the deep state. they're against me . and as a result of against me. and as a result of that, they're trying to silence and stop me, which is going to react to that's what he's react to very that's what he's been all along that been saying all along that so he's so this is the he's right. so this is the problem that the problem considering that the manhattan d.a. to think manhattan d.a. seems to think that to do. but that this is a thing to do. but as we've already trump's as we've already seen, trump's popularity is going up. this is going to play by hugely. is it possible that the democrats are doing this deliberately? because they to run? i mean, they want trump to run? i mean, i'm serious. considering i'm serious. they're considering this so . i mean, this now. i guess so. i mean, we were talking this earlier were talking about this earlier and this like another and saying, is this like another 2016 where they think this can't possibly work? and actually it might at the polls, might like look at the polls, guys. hear is that guys. it's what i hear is that the manhattan been on the da of manhattan has been on this thing saying this big thing saying he wants to soft crime. you know, to be soft on crime. you know, he doesn't want to prosecute

people for committing certain crimes. to call them crimes. he wants to call them misdemeanours than misdemeanours rather than felonies. york felonies. i was in new york recently i to buy some recently and i went to buy some shampoo and it was all locked behind you have to behind glass doors. you have to ask because what they ask for it, because what they what york shops what happens in new york shops is someone comes in and just is if someone comes in and just empties the shelves, if it's a pillow, $1,000, they don't get charged don't charged, they don't get prosecuted, get prosecuted, they don't get arrested. means people arrested. which means if people just cards and just just coming with cards and just sort sweep, sort of like supermarket sweep, right. is in there as right. and this is in there as well, i'm sure everybody would they there. why are they should be there. why are they should be there. why are they taking a shampoo? i think they taking a shampoo? i think they don't know, but they're doing absolutely doing it with absolutely everything. words, everything. so in other words, have to get have to ask permission to get and would come and would you come be embarrassing the embarrassing depending on the items buying. but the thing items you buying. but the thing about that person experience, the that, francis, the thing about that, francis, is this soft on is new york this whole soft on crime that the da. wants crime thing that the da. wants to effectively giving a veto to do effectively giving a veto to do effectively giving a veto to whatever to criminals to do whatever want. but and he's saying that he doesn't shouldn't prosecute absolutely but he absolutely everything but he will prosecute this a misdemeanour beyond misdemeanour that is well beyond its of limitations. it's its statute of limitations. it's like it's got to be like you it's got to be political. it's truly 100% political. it's truly 100% political. and what they're doing is giving donald trump exactly what he which is the

oxygen of publicity . yeah. i oxygen of publicity. yeah. i mean, is going backfire mean, this is going to backfire hugely. once you open hugely. and also, once you open this this this floodgate, i mean, this idea like prosecuting idea of like prosecuting political opponents and trump calls it weaponizing the judiciary, it's to argue with him on that. is a this is him on that. this is a this is a bad move. you know, if i were a democrat, i'd be angry about this. i think this be bad for that. anyway, get the that. anyway, let's get the question. is catherine question. this is from catherine west. hello, west. catherine hello. hello, abby. paintings a fence if west . this is very interesting because this story about oxford councillors who have announced they're thinking of selling off their collection of classical and biblical paintings, which they say are inappropriate. some examples include this painting of salome , you know, that famous of salome, you know, that famous painting where she's got the head john baptist on a plate, head of john baptist on a plate, which quite disturbing . saw which is quite disturbing. saw that it's florence that in the if it's in florence upsetting thing you know upsetting thing but you know francis i mean what's on here? well, what's going on here is people were losing their minds. yeah let's be fair. nobody has ever been offended by a painting of john the baptist. many ever been offended by a painting of john the baptist . many people

of john the baptist. many people have been bored by it . they have been bored by it. they don't want to look at it, and they've been dragged there by their partners to go and see a painting. but nobody has ever sat there and thought, do you know what? this really know what? this is really offensive all the offensive to me. and all the other of beheading other victims of beheading around the world, what they specifically talking about, the examples animal cruelty. examples i gave animal cruelty. yes gender based violence . do yes gender based violence. do you have an image of any of the paintings? because i think we might if we could get an image up, could see kind of up, we could see the kind of thing. there's image, for thing. there's one image, for instance, of that. okay that's a good example. that's rape of good example. that's the rape of the it. that's the soybeans. that's it. that's the soybeans. that's it. that's the rome mean, the foundation of rome i mean, rome founded on sexual rome was founded on sexual assault. then, course, assault. it was then, of course, the but like but the the italians. but like but the painting itself, cressida, didn't mean to offend you as speaking as a woman, not as as a woman. so everybody listen . no, woman. so everybody listen. no, it didn't affect me, too. i mean, what's the purpose of a museum. what's what's the aim? aren't we charting the past and put plaque on it if you don't like it. well, i'll worry about this, because last week we discussed other story there discussed this other story there was some teachers florence

was a some teachers in florence saying, someone's been saying, well, someone's been sacked, school for sacked, actually a school for showing of showing an image of michelangelo's of michelangelo's david because of the and accused, the nudity and accused, they say, graphic , they said it say, in a graphic, they said it was. i mean, yeah . anybody was. i mean, yeah. anybody find attractive ? bizarre, isn't it? attractive? bizarre, isn't it? yeah. and it's always it's the same old question. is it all this stuff? who's making the decisions, you know? yeah, no. like francis says, one's really offended of offended about any of this stuff. it'sjust offended about any of this stuff. it's just people of. stuff. it's just people sort of. but worry about with this but what i worry about with this is, is the fact that they go off to art again and again, like the target always to art target always seems to be art and ity, and they want and creative ity, and they want to weirdly it to sort of weirdly sanitise it and just make sure that if you if you get rid of all potential for offence in form artwork, for offence in any form artwork, then have art anymore. then you don't have art anymore. basically, you don't you basically, you don't have you don't as we all don't have culture and as we all know, downstream know, everything is downstream of so if you art forms, of culture. so if you art forms, then what people see is no represent nation of transgressive or ideas could challenge and as a result challenge us. and as a result the powers that be that the populace is therefore not going to have transgressive ideas but they don't know. we've got whatsapp tonight. there is that. but also by being offended ,

but also by being offended, chris, it can be quite fun like i like watching a film or reading a book. i'm shocked every now and then. absolutely. i mean, what what kind of art would you want if it wasn't absolutely . i would you want if it wasn't absolutely. i mean, i'm a big fan of horror films. should they just stop at some point? exactly like because you get to play out in avatars rather than actually doing in the real world? doing it in the real world? don't you to play with what don't you get to play with what humanities capable of what humanities capable of and what we're thinking? what his thoughts but it's all thoughts are? yeah, but it's all on so a good on a canvas so that's a good place it. yeah. you know place to do it. yeah. you know when i first saw leprechaun two, you nightmares about you know, i had nightmares about this that this small little creature that kills people with a pogo stick. but i was exhilarated. really yeah. it's than the first yeah. it's better than the first one. you're one. the first time you're inoculating yourself against life. hunt yeah. heaven forbid that but is that that wasn't exactly. but is that prejudice against little people sold off on on the black market to goodness who you know? so who are people that want to buy it? yeah. okay so counsellors need to keep hold of their paintings. we're going to get question now. pete, where is pete? i it's a

bit of really funny now thing of the past on oh so woke bbc so yeah this is an interesting one so they're saying now have i got news for you could be the topical satirical comedy left on the bbc because they're now planning to cancel. romesh ranganathan show. what's it called ? the combination. the called? the combination. the ranganathan . and they're going ranganathan. and they're going to cancel that as well . they're to cancel that as well. they're going to be left with have i got news for you? and i think the week dropped as well. it did indeed. so did frankie boyle's new world to frankie boyle's gone. basically got gone. so you've basically got romesh, your and have i romesh, your show and have i got news to. not what's news for you to. not what's happening at wasn't it happening at the bbc? wasn't it wasn't where wasn't it always the place where comedy thrive sort of comedy could thrive and sort of develop? it was always a place that comedy could thrive and develop. but we know, you know, and now, is and i do. and. question now, is it the where one it comedy? is the where only one particular set of values ideas are celebrated and one particular is celebrated particular opinion is celebrated , there's nothing , yeah, and there's nothing wrong left wing wrong with having left wing comedy. the problem if only comedy. the problem is, if only one type of comedy, there's only going to be one type of attack.

and the laughter comes. and comedy unpredictable comedy is the unpredictable course. and as if the course. and as a result, if the audience can every time, every every time that the punchline is going to be is there's no longer. it's funny. would it be more interesting if the bbc sort of allowed more targets? i mean, to be fair. so for instance, on the mash report, they did have jeff no. on that show to give a kind of different perspective jeff no. on that show to give a kind of (he'sent perspective jeff no. on that show to give a kind of (he'senconservative because he's a conservative voter, about it. the voter, but that's about it. the right wing comedians in the uk, the only right wing comedian is i these the bbc just i mean, these are the bbc just getting do you getting this wrong. do you think? guess are, because think? i guess they are, because people voting with their people are voting with their feel mean, exactly feel that i mean, that's exactly it. enjoying it, it. if they're not enjoying it, then figures are going to then the figures are going to start to and that's start to go down and that's what's happening so. yeah, it's interesting. okay well, we get a final we've got time for one more question in this section. this is from ryan. where's hi ryan. good evening. ryan. hi, good evening. is it safe to send migrants to rwanda. but i've never been the home secretary thinks it's absolutely fine criticised. fine and she's being criticised. obviously fine and she's being criticised. obviorwhether we should about whether we should be sending to rwanda . sending migrants to rwanda. suella braverman was confirmed

vintage with evidence on the bbc about 12 congolese refugees who had been shot and killed by police in rwanda. that was in 2018. but she said she didn't know about case. she said that this in itself does not suggest that it this in itself does not suggest thatitis this in itself does not suggest that it is an unsafe mean. i suppose bad things can happen everywhere. that sounds particularly bad though, especially because it does. and it was about food rations which is she made the is pretty dark. but she made the point this was five years point that this was five years ago and was kind of ago and she was kind of implying, up implying, look, we cleaned up her you she wasn't in her act. you know, she wasn't in charge. and so it's interesting with rwanda's because of with rwanda's in the because of course have these course so many have these memories of the horrific the genocide and it does genocide and that it does crop up think this up whenever you think this country because things have changed argument changed hugely and the argument of government is, of the rwandan government is, look, place to look, this is a great place to live. and actually, you know, they want this to go through. do you of the problem is you think so of the problem is in difficult position? i think in a difficult position? i think she's a very difficult she's in a very, very difficult position because the reality is, she's in a very, very difficult pcwe've because the reality is, she's in a very, very difficult pcwe've lost|use the reality is, she's in a very, very difficult pcwe've lost|use abilityility is, she's in a very, very difficult pcwe've lost|use ability toy is, is we've lost the ability to have a sane and measured conversation about immigration and illegal and particularly illegal immigration, because there are some the far

some parts of people on the far left borders with left who equate borders with racism. you that idea racism. and once you that idea in then any type of in your mind, then any type of conversation about subject, which always been a hot which has always been a hot button issue, has become an utterly impossible. i think , i utterly impossible. i think, i find it actually interesting that the past two home secretaries have been women of colour. shall we just put it like that because just imagine a man who looks and sounds like me going right protect our borders it's we're going to good is it. no but you say that but but priti patel suella braverman priti patel and suella braverman have been attacked and have have been attacked and called themselves called racists themselves it hasn't protected them as in you know fact they've been know in fact they've been they've had racial slurs thrown their way for not being the right a person colour, right kind a person of colour, right? we won't right? yeah which we won't repeat here. absolutely. i repeat here. no, absolutely. i mean, horrendous, mean, that that's horrendous, isn't can't isn't it? because then you can't do doing wrong and do right for doing wrong and i don't why is the case don't know why is it the case that when it comes to the immigration debate, it's always interpreted immediately racist? if you say, well, maybe a sensible i think sensible policy? well, i think borders are racism. i think that's it's bizarre . there's that's it's bizarre. there's just this stopping point. you know, proper know, a lot of a proper conversation about it. yeah. and

it's i mean, it's important. i mean, not least for the migrants who are being trafficked and could potentially their lives on potentially lose their lives on the border crossing. this the border crossing. and this is this that never this as well is that we never have conversation here have a nuanced conversation here any because every or any more because every side or the is interested in is the side is interested in is actually winning. but the reality is you know, there's people smugglers on the other side of the who are making a lot of money out of. yes, yeah. and people are losing lives in the channel. it needs to be channel. so it needs to be sorted out and it needs be sorted out and it needs to be sorted out and it needs to be sorted and daresay if sorted quickly. and i daresay if you it if you show that you make it if you show that it's to work, it might it's not going to work, it might reduce people coming, which reduce the people coming, which causes term that's causes so. but long term that's right. well francis. right. well, coming up on free speech nation. i'm going to be speaking to the women's rights activist kelly j. keane about the frightening ordeal she endured in zealand on let women in new zealand on let women speak tour . in new zealand on let women speak tour. don't go in new zealand on let women speak tour . don't go anywhere in new zealand on let women speak tour. don't go anywhere . there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income

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talk about the free speech nafion talk about the free speech nation . me andrew doyle women's nation. me andrew doyle women's rights activist kelly j. keane. also as posy parker hit the headunes also as posy parker hit the headlines last week when the new zealand leg of her let women speak to was disrupted by trans activists, kellyj had to be escorted away from an event in auckland by the police. i mean, it's genuinely scenes. as she was confronted a baying mob who heckled her threw tomato juice at her and could potentially have even trampled to death. a subsequent event. wellington had to be cancelled and. kelly ended up leaving the country so she now joins me here tonight. good evening, kelly j. thanks for coming onto the show . evening, kelly j. thanks for coming onto the show. i ask you first and foremost, how are you. it's been a week, obviously, since these rather terrifying events . how are you feeling now events. how are you feeling now 7 events. how are you feeling now ? i'm great. my husband was away on a family holiday, so i'm, you know, i'm good. i think it's it was just it was scary and

devastating and. i went into police protection, but i think we managed to beat the world important point. and perhaps you could talk us through what is behind the let women speak event. what is it that you're trying to achieve from from visiting these places ? well, visiting these places? well, it's a little bit like cooper and all it is exactly what it says on the tin. so it's simply about creating a space where women can speak about the attacks and infringing on the rights posed by transgender ideologies so that might be the children having their bodies sterilised or getting sucked into this cult or losing language or not being able to speak about this at work or family and friends. and they simply come to the space that we've created in order for them to speak. i saw some of the footage of when you approached the gathering auckland and the gathering in auckland and one the things that you were one of the things that you were saying camera at the time saying to the camera at the time was are police here did was there are no police here did it at any a coachable

it at any point a coachable maybe i shouldn't go into this because there's just no protection here. well, you think wouldn't you ? i assumed that wouldn't you? i assumed that oncei wouldn't you? i assumed that once i got through the first crowd that in the centre there would be police offering a buffer between women coming to speak and some men, but predominantly coming to speak. and the protesters that were there to try and stop us speaking up by threatening and intimidating . and there i was intimidating. and there i was really when i got in the centre that there no police . to what that there no police. to what extent do you think the lack of police presence is an indication of a failure at the highest levels of authority? i mean, we had politicians and media commentators calling you far right, even implying that you were you had fascist sympathies . has that caused this problem , . has that caused this problem, do you think? oh yes. but this has been going on a very long time. and, the latest in many slurs thrown at women to try and

stop us speaking. so you know, it's sad and devastating and dishonest that they keep doing it. but i sort of feel that we're getting to this crescendo of what more can they say about women who just want to say women , don't have penises and we'd like men to stay out of our spaces ? and i guess this event spaces? and i guess this event really will have no impact . really will have no impact. regular people , they were regular people, they were looking at this issue and actually the way the new zealand government treated me and immigration treated me and they shone a real light on me other people, looked into me , find people, looked into me, find that actually i wasn't it wasn't the things that i was being accused of and, and i had something valuable to say. so let's address what a lot of your critics say which is that at the event preceding in melbourne there were a small group of doing salutes. and what they've tried to say is you were in some

way complicit . these these way complicit. these these people. what do you say to that? what is absolutely ludicrous but utterly convenient , however, utterly convenient, however, those men turned out to do their own money, it was nothing to do with mine. they've got just as much as the antifa far left . much as the antifa far left. their authoritarian, fascistic type, which they might call themselves trans activists. but they have just as much to do with them as they did with anyone, which was pretty much nothing i mean, i don't know much ideology, but i don't recall some of women's rights arm of far right ideology. so they have nothing to do with us whatsoever . yeah, i they have nothing to do with us whatsoever. yeah, i mean, no, they would be veering quite far from the ideology that you mentioned that this event has piqued a lot of people. i have to say, i think you're right that so many people have been talking about this event, but it's those images these men it's those images of these men break barriers in this break through barriers in this violent and surrounding you violent way and surrounding you

and what do you think is going through because surely through heads? because surely they're to people that they're trying to people that they're trying to people that they should in your spaces and then they're behaving like this. what earth is going on? oh, what on earth is going on? oh, come andrew. seeing that come on, andrew. seeing that everyone's on their side , everyone's on their side, everyone's on their side, everyone that had so many threatening bigots it. woman dangerous of course we want more men in her space. you know what it what a great massive failure on their behalf often invite these nasty, aggressive misogynists i sort of you know i playfully say, you know, come and come and prove my point. and they do. and that's time. 2000 voted and it was rather frightening and a 72 year old woman woman , a fractured skull woman woman, a fractured skull and another woman got to have that broken. and the violence was just just horrendous . but was just just horrendous. but it's made so much worse by the fact that news in new zealand and politicians have pretended

that this was some peaceful loving protest to show what a bekind rainbows brigade new zealand actually has. so that in itself is also help people understand that the news and the media is sometimes not on the side of the people . i think side of the people. i think that's right. i mean, i've saw that's right. i mean, i've saw that footage of 72 year old woman punched repeatedly in the in the head and you've had media watch in the in an outlet today saying that that it was totally peaceful has been peaceful and this has been completely misrepresented. i mean, can see for mean, people can see for themselves, and i suppose themselves, they and i suppose themselves, they and i suppose the more that the more do this, the more that will become absolutely clear. the more do this, the more that will bec(doe absolutely clear. the more do this, the more that will bec(do you;olutely clear. the more do this, the more that will bec(do you think.y clear. the more do this, the more that will bec(do you think it clear. the more do this, the more that will bec(do you think it that '. but why do you think it that that the violence is escalating 7 that the violence is escalating ? i think that is the case all over the world. the violence seems to be getting worse. yeah i think violence is seems to be getting worse. full stop not just in this issue, but it's they're just about to lose . and they're just about to lose. and so i think these are final throes of a really aggressive ideology that most women have

known for a long time . and i'm known for a long time. and i'm sure men are catching up. but most women, i'm dying for a long time, that it's underpinned by misogyny and a real hatred of women . and so this is the final women. and so this is the final frontier . women. and so this is the final frontier. it. women. and so this is the final frontier . it. we've women. and so this is the final frontier. it. we've had we've been ignored. we've been laughed at. now they're going to fight us. and then as says, we will win . and what next for you? will win. and what next for you? will you be continuing the tour? will you be continuing the tour? will you be continuing the tour? will you be doing it? doing else to try and raise awareness of this . yeah. that not 1:00 next sunday i'll be back at speakers for the regular let women speak events . then i'm for the regular let women speak events. then i'm going to birmingham going to ireland. then we'll go back to speaker's corner. then we're going to birmingham and in amongst that i'm going to stop my campaign to run against starmer, to force serious politicians that are gutless to actually talk about this issue and not hide from it any more. and i'll have to tell the electorate, do they know

what a woman is or not, and they either look foolish or they will be roundly trans themselves . be roundly trans themselves. yeah, well, good luck with that because i have a serious problem answering that question. they kelly, i thank you ever so much for joining me tonight. kelly, i thank you ever so much for joining me tonight . and make forjoining me tonight. and make some free speech nation author alka saikal cuthbert will be to here tell us about the latest investigation by campaign group don't divide us. it would seem that when it comes to issues of race and identity, many schools are more in indoctrination than education. so stay right there .

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deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. so if got any dilemmas. so if you've got any problems be, problems whatever they might be, just at views. at just email us at gb views. at gbnews.uk. will do our gbnews.uk. and we will do our best answer problems. best to answer your problems. moving campaign at don't moving on the campaign at don't divide produced report last divide us produced a report last year found that one in year which found that one in four councils promoting four councils were promoting contentious policies . contentious diversity policies. the report also found that 89% of these councils were using third party providers , third party providers, commercial companies and charities . a forthcoming report charities. a forthcoming report from don't divide us will look more closely at these third party providers and what issues they're promoting. and author alka saikal cuthbert from don't divide joins me now. welcome divide us joins me now. welcome to show . so elka i think to the show. so elka i think firstly should talk a little bit about don't divide us what is it that you are seeking to do? well, we are seeking to oppose ideas that are being promote it in our institutions under name of anti—racism . but actually, of anti—racism. but actually, when you look at what they are, they're actually revitalising, you know , situations where you know, situations where people are getting along fine.

we're a point historically where, you know , in britain, where, you know, in britain, racist, never. it's never been less of a factor in how well you can do in terms of living your life freely at that exact point. we have this ideology come in that says that is really, really wanting to ensure that we see race first and foremost. you know, it's very interesting because a lot of teacher friends of mine i mean, you do a lot of work with schools and a of teachers are contacting me to say that this is going on. a teacher friend of mine said that an outside speaker came in, took all of the black pupils out of the them all how the class to them all how oppressed were. of oppressed they were. and of course, weren't happy about course, they weren't happy about this this is the this either. i mean, this is the kind of anecdote that you'll get. hearing a lot we get. you're hearing a lot of we are getting many more stories from and teachers like from parents and teachers like this. we've gotten you know, there's school in in leafy there's one school in in leafy muswell you know, it's muswell hill. you know, it's downtown bronx or l.a . they've downtown bronx or l.a. they've brought in a third party provider group called arise, i believe . and, you know , part of

believe. and, you know, part of the process of the school becoming going on, it's actively anti—racist journey there. now getting all the classes to active anti—racist . okay. they active anti—racist. okay. they are also this is a very interesting thing. they're also funding just black children to go extra classes as well . so go extra classes as well. so when they say anti—racist because you know i would consider anti—racist because i'm opposed to racism. i'm sure you would consider yourself anti—racist. yes not what they mean, though, is it? no, no, it isn't. i mean, active you know, this this new, if you like, the modern anti—racism is rooted critical social justice theory and it locks people their race that as an individual, you can you know, i can you can have memories and relate to your race or your sex or gender individually . but the key thing individually. but the key thing is you're a person and then you can decide whether it's going to be important or not important or

whether , you know, whether whether, you know, whether you're going to retrospect your whole life through the through the prism of race or , whether the prism of race or, whether you're just going to say, yeah, that was a of a time, but we move on. yes it denies freedom. it's very hostile to freedom. it's very hostile to freedom. it's very hostile to freedom. it's very hostile to tolerance. it's very hostile to tolerance. it's very hostile to tolerance. it's very un generous. it goes for zero tolerance, rather than tolerance . and it doesn't tolerance. and it doesn't believe in impartiality it believes impartiality is a power play. and frankly is really disastrous for because if you don't believe in truth, then you don't believe in truth, then you don't believe in the possibility of objectivity. then you have political activism . so if you're political activism. so if you're telling kids that, you know , telling kids that, you know, they're white, they're always going to privileged , they're going to be privileged, they're always to complicit always going to be complicit in white supremacy, whether they like not. if you're like it or not. if you're children from ethnic minority backgrounds, that they're always going oppressed. it's not going to be oppressed. it's not for the future, is it? well, it's not good for the future and it's not good for the future and it's not good now because what it's not good now because what it's telling us that our schools are being run by teachers who a

minority of whom actively this and the majority whom are feeling increasingly uncomfortable. but like everyone in society, finding it difficult , speak out. you know, when have a teacher like a primary school teacher in east london who's working for 20 years with her colleagues, black , yellow, all colleagues, black, yellow, all kinds of races , and they get kinds of races, and they get a party in. and this third party activist , educator starts activist, educator starts reading from any ideologies why i'm no longer talking to white people. imagine you're a black boy. imagine all the hopes and dreams you have. imagine the hopes of your parents. and then you come to school and they're dashed. you know, you never get anywhere because of systemic racism. and she i mean, she just felt gutted. she felt for the first time in her life, she felt like a white teacher working with black colleagues. and in a very subtle way , the very subtle way, the collegiality, the solidarity of

teachers working together was undermined. but lot of this probably comes from good intentions , doesn't it ? some of intentions, doesn't it? some of it does. i you have to differentiate. i think a lot of people i think adopting it in schools are probably doing it from good intention because they're busy . there's so many they're busy. there's so many problems, prior problems , problems, prior problems, education anyway . you know, education anyway. you know, people have not been they're not accustomed to thinking about questions of knowledge and morality and the purpose of school . it's all been very school. it's all been very technocratic . and get the technocratic. and get the results. get the results get the results. get the results get the results. so that's the background. so i think they are probably doing it out of , well, probably doing it out of, well, you know, we've got to do something , but they're not something, but they're not stopping to think why should they? should why should head they? why should why should head in london in 20 think that an event los angeles the murder of george floyd means that they have to review everything in their school . and it's their school. and it's interesting is it because schools you know at least over the past decade or so have been pretty good at tackling racism?

i work in a school when i used to work in a school when there hint of we tackled there was a hint of we tackled it. we didn't tolerate racism. so it's not as though have been hotbeds supremacy. hotbeds of white supremacy. well, that shows well, exactly. and that shows that the attitudinal that shows in the attitudinal surveys that, we've surveys that, you know, we've got attitudinal surveys from about be with adults about 2020. so be with adults who will have been at school the past previous ten, 20 years. and you know, they show brexit britain is on the whole but we relaxed race and ethnic relaxed about race and ethnic minorities. we don't you know everyone does it. but yeah, there's risky, you know, and now there's risky, you know, and now there's humza yousaf as there's civil humza yousaf as well scotland. humza yousaf well in scotland. humza yousaf yeah. i have lots of yeah. you know, i have lots of things to say about him, but it's not about his race. yeah. oh, it's, you know. so you're not denying racism still not denying that racism still exists? think there are . exists? no, i think there are. there pockets of racism there will be pockets of racism and prejudice . but i think the and prejudice. but i think the how i think really important point the in the commission of racial disparities report that came out tony su was report was that to say that something is institutionally racist needs quite needs a high bar of

evidence but because you're making a very serious accusation in an institution and i think and that's going to be a problem for the activists who are committed to this because they don't really believe in evidence. yes, they believe in live experiences and feeling a kind of sense feeling, which isn't really enough to make a general claim. you say yes and, you know, you sort of think, well , there may well be systemic well, there may well be systemic problems like in the case your report shows, clearly it's more than a few bad. but before we leap to racism being the problem, let's look at the leadership next. look at what they what they've been doing and not doing. we've seen what the are up to or not up to just in who they protect. do they don't protect them and all the rest of it. there are there are systemic problems that problems but i suspect that those problems are much more to do with the problems of leadership. problems leadership. the problems creating collegial cultures where, you know, there is kind of a moral problems that really do need to be discussed . but

do need to be discussed. but they're not necessarily racism . they're not necessarily racism. and you've done a lot of freedom of information requests from don't divide us to find out the extent of this. this is quite widespread. ideology widespread. this this ideology in . so what would you in schools. so what would you like see happen next? i mean, like to see happen next? i mean, you've got a petition going, haven't you we have a petition you've got a petition going, havewe're»u we have a petition you've got a petition going, havewe're inwe have a petition you've got a petition going, havewe're in the1ave a petition you've got a petition going, havewe're in the processetition you've got a petition going, havewe're in the process oftion you've got a petition going, havewe're in the process of the and we're in the process of the second report, it's very important somebody with important that somebody with takes charge of this . now, takes charge of this. now, people will say , like they did people will say, like they did with the sex education review that rishi sunak announced a week ago. so oh, this isn't happening or this only happening in a few schools . and that in a few schools. and that really spectacularly the point because what we have here we've got the russell group universe cities in britain that's a top tier of universities and they influence what happens in education, 50% of them are have got some kind of black schemes running black scheme. so they're endorsing this idea of positive discrimination slash positive action, positive is illegal

positive action is permissible under certain circum stances. we've got example decolonising their specif . i don't know if an their specif. i don't know if an engush their specif. i don't know if an english teacher i was well kazuo ishiguro , alan bennett and mark ishiguro, alan bennett and mark had been taken off the selected reading list really because ishiguro never let me go of the most anarchistic novels you could introduce teenagers about existential questions about life. but no, it's been replaced by an author , a female author of by an author, a female author of colour . it by an author, a female author of colour. it may be a good book, but not what the aqr is saying. they do. they're quite open. they're doing it to take the diversity boxes . so you've got diversity boxes. so you've got the exam boards, you've got the professional associations, you've got local council you've got the local council schools. and internally schools. and then internally within schools, your schools are creating roles for equity diversity and inclusion positions or committees . and positions or committees. and they in places they are kind of like , you know, really ruling like, you know, really ruling the roost within school. other

staff, you know, they're the kind of morality police within the school. so it's definitely a problem where can people go to support petition? how can they do that? these go to please to come and have a read of it, sign it, share it and support work. if you can go to don't divide .com and what's great about the resources on your website is it puts to this idea it's puts paid to this idea that it's not happening you've gathered together a together so many we have a testimonies reports the testimonies and reports and the like so yes don't divide us com. that's people can. right. that's where people can. right. i'll take thank you i'll take a customer. thank you so forjoining us this. so much for joining us this. coming up on free speech nation i'm going to be speaking to the youtuber who was harassed at a protest outside the lesbian project gathering week. and the police stood by and did nothing to help seeing the moment.

welcome back to speech nation with me andrew doyle youtube the laughing auditor was harassed at the protest . the lesbian project the protest. the lesbian project gathering last week while the police apparently stood by. him and his family have since been threatened. let's take a look at of what happened got here. ladies and gentlemen , just ladies and gentlemen, just because i'm filming right now , because i'm filming right now, they call me a fascist . this is they call me a fascist. this is what i do . people are saying what i do. people are saying this film , you bunch of guys, this film, you bunch of guys, i don't see none of your business understand . and i strongly understand. and i strongly oppose this going to target talking to you. i'm telling you was going to be a little film for the rest of the that very much yeah no no i i'm laughing myself you know these people are just dissecting the film. i like to address it because i have every right to film. i know i didn't fit impeding.

every right to film. i know i didn't fit impeding . the now didn't fit impeding. the now because of threats to family has received he didn't want to appear live in the studio. however, i'm thrilled to say youtube of the laughing order two joins me now over the phone. hello auditor, can you hear me? hey, andrew how you doing? i'm good, thank you. perhaps before we could you just explain we begin, could you just explain to what it is you do? to people what it is you do? what are you what do you what are you auditing ? yeah. so what do you what are you auditing? yeah. so i'm a group of youtubers that i look at pubuc of youtubers that i look at public services, things like police station job centres and the latest i look at have our tax money being spent . and then tax money being spent. and then we also look at the interactions we also look at the interactions we have through our public officials and yeah , pretty much officials and yeah, pretty much in i'm not sure what the us do on youtube and you're often filming the police in public events and making sure that they're they're not over stepping their mark. now in this case you turned up had you specifically to see this protest against the lesbian and i just

happened to come across it. i was doing this at bloomsbury in london, and i seen some clean slates going off and had about music and decided take a walk out and see what was happening. and as a police officer , he said and as a police officer, he said it was i thought like, yo, i'll get my camera, start recording it and then saw what unfolds . it and then saw what unfolds. and you can see in the video , and you can see in the video, yeah, it's astonishing it's like the, the activists surrounded you and you weren't hostile to them , but they started calling them, but they started calling you a fascist and pushing into what possible justification would they have for this ? i've would they have for this? i've noidea. would they have for this? i've no idea . as i say, i didn't know no idea. as i say, i didn't know much about trans movement and so what they're protesting about before the situation and i thought was very sharp and hypocritical , the guys are hypocritical, the guys are stopping me from walking down the street and trying to stop recording and but yet seem to want to call me a fascist. and for whatever reason and but yeah, i've no idea as to why

it's on the edge and as i said, i don't really know. i was very naive that i set and that's very interesting. is it because this is not an area that you've known a lot about the conflict between feminists who are concerned about their single sex think spaces and their rights and trans activists in this case, they specifically been protesting gay and lesbian project because that's an activist group that wants to deal specifically with lesbian . deal specifically with lesbian. and saying that this is and they are saying that this is trans from what you've seen is this an area that you might be interested in covering in the future or are you just to steer well, clear? and no, i think it's something that i am definitely going be definitely going to be looking at a bit more the future and then senseless incidents . i then the senseless incidents. i woke on sunday morning and it woke up on sunday morning and it was like i landed in an alternate reality and i learned alternate reality and i learned a lot since then and certainly not going to get across to some of the women's events and just just see how they are policed and see how these protesters react . and duran, these are react. and duran, these are actions due to see if it's actually i'm sure i'm going to

try and document it. yes well, it's very important, i think, that we do see these things documented. we've actually got a second clip of something else that happened to you during this. let's have a look at this one. i think it does. one. yeah i think it does. please walk down like . please let me walk down like. barn but don't you? i've got no faith. you guys whatsoever. i'm just walking down the road going that way. you know, these are very nice . so very nice. so at that point, when they punch the phone of your hand, did you at all feel that you were in a precarious position ? did you feel position? did you feel threatened ? yeah no. it was very threatened? yeah no. it was very surreal as say, i hadn't experienced anything like that before . andrew and then like before. andrew and then like there there was a large police presence, short speech and then to escalate to that sort of

editor and at the same time i was surrounded as the agent and jemmy petition and shouting at me from every direct. so and for most people with a bit sassy, that's a bit intimidating situation. and i just thought it was just very surreal. i just understand why it happened and why it was like we're not with i mean, there were a couple of moments where you tried to have a with certain a conversation with certain people. it does strike that people. it does strike me that at these events, at a lot of these events, conversation is just something that's mind, that's not on their mind, you know, a of these activists know, a lot of these activists don't believe debate don't believe in debate and discussion that the sense discussion is that the sense that you got them? yeah. so that you got from them? yeah. so i to two that you got from them? yeah. so ito two individuals that i believe where are the organisers of that and protest and they asked me my opinion on this movement and my opinion was that should your life as want to live it and at that highlight one issue that was and that that had with them and that was the shock of speech element and that i felt that they shouldn't be forcing other people to call

them by agenda if they don't feel comfortable calling them that not to be this that and not seem to be this autonomy point and, and yet and at just seem to support downhill from there and you've had threats since this it does feel like there's a certain at least a contingent within the movement that are very hostile or who would jump to violence first. do you think that the police were doing enough at this particular event? no no. and i spend quite a lot of time documenting the police activities and a lot of criminality going on at that event that we drug taking the race and public order offences. i wish i've been assaulted apart from being punched , having from being punched, having a full punch from my hand . i'd full punch from my hand. i'd been several times and been assaulted several times and people passionate and they had me sense and the police me with a sense and the police were close to were putting close proximity to it. seeing everything it. they were seeing everything that seeing on the done that i was seeing on the done nothing. what and when i did ask them for and they seemed almost too scared to intervene and to do anything and that's what

probably surprised the most now , you know the law very well, because, of course, you find in these positions with police in pubuc these positions with police in public square quite a lot, surely people even shouting fascist at you, that would be some kind of violation let alone when they start actually making physical . yeah physical contact with you. yeah so being called a fascist, it was there's just sort ridiculous and it doesn't even. yeah. talking about and having people using the labour trailers to use bad language to verbally abused me and people barging into jemmy and then when i makes one move to try and move say you the saying way the police don't seem to want to jump on me i just couldn't understand it. and, and, and yet the police really took me by surprise . and now took me by surprise. and now that it's happened, do you any regrets about going there? would you would it be better if you hadnt you would it be better if you hadn't have gone there in the place? do you think? and no, i don't regret it. and obviously, i've i've had to myself and to

my family, which obviously isn't nice, but i'm i caught it. i'm glad i got to see what that's doing and i'm glad i got to highlight how the police were deaung highlight how the police were dealing with it, because in my opinion, it's something that the general public need to. but we don't. the keys that could have been anybody i was just a random guy walking down to see what i thought was a party in the street to record it. not street decided to record it. not going anywhere and anybody going to be anywhere and anybody could have been surrounded. that large violent and may large group of violent and may may have. so i went a different direction and somebody could have i seriously well i think it's terribly important that people are filming these things and that we see the footage we've had the let women speak eventin we've had the let women speak event in new zealand, of course we have media outlets are trying to deny there was any violence. so we require the filming to tell exactly what went on. tell us exactly what went on. can you finally just tell us where can find your videos and how can support you ? yeah, so how can support you? yeah, so i'm on. i will also if you're

just laughing, what and my youtube channel is the laughing . well, i'm pretty sure our correctly and you can see video on there and i it's okay to try and protest or control something like that so yeah i'm about to out i'm on facebook and i'm on youtube i'm sure if they got me well the laughing auditor, thank you very much for joining me tonight. really appreciate that . we're really. tonight. really appreciate that . we're really . and it's a long .we're really. and it's a long video that can watch on his youtube channel. it's about 40 minutes long, but it is worth watching specifically because you can see someone who has no no particular opinions about the event when starts but by event when it starts but by the end of video he's completely end of the video he's completely transformed in his world view. it's what they call a peaking in real time . it really is worth real time. it really is worth watching if you get the chance. look at it as a laughing audhon look at it as a laughing auditor. so that is it. for the first hour of free speech nation but there still more but there is still plenty more to come, including a tribute to the great, a debate on the snp's

new leader humza yousaf and plenty more topical questions . plenty more topical questions. our wonderful audience don't go anywhere .

there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week, including tribute to paul o'grady. more questions , the o'grady. more questions, the audience and this week's sensations. and let's get a news update first from aaron armstrong . hi there. let's get armstrong. hi there. let's get you up to date with the headunes you up to date with the headlines from the gb newsroom. the home secretary has blamed political correctness for the failure to tackle grooming gangs. writing in the mail on sunday, suella braverman says , sunday, suella braverman says, have turned blind eye over have turned a blind eye over fears of being labelled racist or bigoted. and she singled out british—pakistani man for particular concern. she's pledged to put people working with children in england under a

new legal duty to report signs or suspicions of sexual abuse. safeguarding minister dines says it's the scourge of our society can't stop in making sure that people are protected. children are the most vulnerable part of our society well as the elderly. we must make sure that they're not sexually abused. so i don't accept we're going to be rife with false reports. that may be one two, and they will be one or two, and they will be deau one or two, and they will be dealt identified. the dealt with and identified. the people evidence are people that gave evidence are speaking the truth to the inquiry . and it was very inquiry. and it was very heartbreaking testimony . we need heartbreaking testimony. we need to the port of dover says to act. the port of dover says it's working to clear the significant backlog of coaches that are trying to cross the engush that are trying to cross the english channel as soon as possible. passengers, though , possible. passengers, though, are long delays of are still facing long delays of them, up to 8 hours. it's understood all coaches have finally reached port, but holidaymakers hoping to get away for easter do face few more hours of waiting to have their passports checked. officials in the port of blamed delays on a lengthy process, but 12 brafman

has rejected that brexit is responsible . the families of two responsible. the families of two british men being detained in afghanistan say they are being treated fairly , having spoken to treated fairly, having spoken to them in what they described as an unscripted, emotional call. a spokesman for two of the men being held, that's kevin cornwell and a second unnamed man says it represents tremendous progress. they've beenin tremendous progress. they've been in custody january. it's unclear, though , long the third unclear, though, long the third man, so—called danger , myles man, so—called danger, myles rutledge, has been held . the rutledge, has been held. the government says it's in negotiation regarding their safety . at least one person has safety. at least one person has been killed and six others injured . an explosion at a cafe injured. an explosion at a cafe injured. an explosion at a cafe in russia's second city, st petersburg. prominent pro—russian military blogger vlad lin to task . he is vlad lin to task. he is confirmed to have died . he was confirmed to have died. he was a vocal supporter of russia's war in ukraine. a local news website has reported cafe targeted was once owned by evgeny prigozhin , once owned by evgeny prigozhin, the head of russia's wagner group, a notorious private army

of mercenaries fighting ukraine. no one has yet claimed responsibility and the has led a palm sunday service in rome day after being released from hospital with bronchitis. around 30,000 people came to watch francis opening easter celebrations , marking the start celebrations, marking the start of holy week . the pope was taken of holy week. the pope was taken to hospital on wednesday complaining of breathing difficulties, but he returned home after making a swift recovery. he returned yesterday . tv online debate plus radio. this is gb news. now it's back to free speech nation . to free speech nation. welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. so let's kick off this section of the show with more questions from our beautiful studio audience. first question from william where is william. hello. hi andrew.

william. hi. hello. hi andrew. should guardian be paying should the guardian be paying reparations? should the guardian paying reparations? should the guardian paying reparations? okay, so the garda has apologised for its links to the slave trade and has announced it's going to pay £10 million as part of what they call restorative justice is going carry out over the next going to carry out over the next decade now i've often wondered about this. i used to a stand about this. i used to do a stand up about this because the up bit about this because the guardian constantly cheering guardian is constantly cheering on statues. on people tearing down statues. if any link, the if there was any link, to the slave whatsoever. slave trade whatsoever. but because founded because the guardian was founded by edward taylor, by merchant john edward taylor, who made most of his money out of slavery, it's worse of slavery, he and it's worse than guardian than actually the guardian supported civil supported the south in the civil war. guardian attacked war. the guardian attacked abraham the abraham lincoln for the abolition. guardian abolition. so the guardian should suppose, destroyed should be, i suppose, destroyed . so you're saying we should defund the guardian? certainly we need to decolonise it. we need to destroy evil. copy no, of course, i don't believe that. but you know, it is. it is. it does feel a bit condi and doesn't it. i don't mean look this fabulous thing. this entire movement is the people who try to or institutions try to to hold or institutions try to hold. they've always got a dodgy

past, of course you're going to be really, really really woke if you know in the past you weren't very nice to black people. yeah, well, that's a breeding point. i remember seeing someone talk about online comment about this online comment is unfortunate, the unfortunate, but they made the point that being a nasty bigot used to be the way that you can bully people. yeah. and of course, woke course, now being we call woke is way that you believe is the way that you believe people. so it's not really surprising that former bigots have joined woke bandwagon . have joined the woke bandwagon. but was it really slavery if they the pronouns in the bio. well there we there we go we cut off satire anymore that's nothing like what's written and what's real. are you a fan of the guardian? i'm not. i mean, i'm aware of its work. yes, but the thing about it is, you know, i've caught the guardian so often in outright misrepresentation, you know, when it when it's ideologically suits to so, the whisper suits them to do so, the whisper , you remember, they try their best to say that was a hoax where a sex offender child in where a sex offender a child in a a public and because it was a in a public and because it was a in a public and because it was a trans individual the guardian

to pretend it wasn't real and the prime minister making it up now thing you now that sort of thing you'd you still think, look, this isn't journalism, this is just, journalism, this this is just, you know, pushing ideology. exactly. so when it comes to this, a sense, we this, though, in a sense, we shouldn't demand that they are decolonised, because decolonised, should we? because that's then as that's just where we're then as bad them are. yes, that's bad as them are. yes, that's true. we be the bigger true. we should be the bigger people. it is very funny. i people. but it is very funny. i mean, i just i don't know how this mixed race. this stuff is all mixed race. what you give a check? what do you do give a check? i don't just find it with don't i just find it with reparations i don't know i just find it bizarre i can't separate , you who gets what and , you know, who gets what and what's is? my new it's what's it what is? my new it's going to be it's going to be very difficult, isn't it? i mean, unless you have been personally victim, personally the victim, some injustice can then injustice that we can then quantify that and work out how much you how much you've lost, how do you how does work? reparations, you does this work? reparations, you know, came know, because i'm glad you came to that question. well, to me with that question. well, neither with look my neither with my look in my voice. i'm the man to voice. i'm just the man to answer. well, let you answer. well, let me tell you that. i mean. i find it interesting, because we are all presumably, but we must be all that descendants of a combination of people who've been people been enslaved and of people who've slaving of

who've done this slaving all of us. yeah, so my family us. yeah, right. so my family would been massacred would have been massacred in jakarta us. so do jakarta by the rest of us. so do get something for that. i mean, i do not bother me about the irish, okay? but i mean, how would this? you would quantify this? would you just it's just not attempt. it's impossible you impossible to quantify if you know francisco , know about san francisco, they're talking about they're very much talking about getting i think it's every citizen of san francisco getting something like $5 million. watts yes . so and they've been openly yes. so and they've been openly about this, whether any three black citizens there is how you think it turns out there's more than there's more like if was black, i'd be like, honey, we're booking ourselves a trip to san francisco. i mean, that's going to end up being expensive . to end up being very expensive. can you imagine if you are an immigrant, let's say, from ghana, arrive 20 years ago, ghana, you arrive 20 years ago, know? am i? know? yep. where am i? reparations they reparations police. are they going why not going to get something? why not me if they don't? okay, well, let's see what happens. goodness me. our next question is from anita. where is anita hill? yeah my evening really controversial on do you think the on to this. do you think the sitcom friends is offensive ? sitcom friends is offensive? yes. so this debate comes up

again and again about friends being offensive every night. then you get an article in the eye or something talking about how young people hate friends, but don't. of course, was but they don't. of course, was one biggest streaming one of the biggest streaming things recent things in netflix in recent years. but this time it's jennifer in jennifer aniston in who of course, was in friends and she says younger viewers may find some offensive . some of the content offensive. do they do they know? not thing they do friends offensive . and they do friends offensive. and listen if you are offended by the sight of courteney cox in a fat suit lose some weight . well fat suit lose some weight. well that that is kind of just lose that that is kind of just lose that going to eat well have a salad the stone moaning well thatis salad the stone moaning well that is one of the most controversial elements friends when she's in when they do flashback scene where monica was younger and she's really far say really mean today's really fat. i mean today's standards a bit standards she's just a bit chubby yeah yeah. okay okay. but know but i don't find that offensive. i a very fat child and it just brings back good memories. yeah memories. me, you know. yeah yeah.i memories. me, you know. yeah yeah i i memories. me, you know. yeah

yeah. i i totally agree . yeah. i mean, i totally agree. if that's your worst problem. i mean, it says, doesn't it, about society. jennifer aniston, society. and jennifer aniston, who i think is who obviously i think is fabulous she is. it'sjust fabulous. she is. it's just a fact. she's apologised. i know she apologised. yes. so there's kind of this law for being next to someone in offensive. so some of it she thinks they should have been more sensitive and, thought it through. i think thought it through. and i think no jennifer, no, don't apologise. i think it's apologise. well, i think it's i think it's partly because didn't you dad is you know, chandler's dad is played turner. and played by kathleen turner. and i think some think there was there was some sort suggestion that was sort of suggestion that was transphobic the transphobic sometimes the relationship between chandler and that's and joey that people say that's homophobic because bit homophobic because there's a bit of discomfort with their of kind of discomfort with their mouth, am i getting this? but who who cares ? it doesn't who cares? who cares? it doesn't matter. it's comedy show, right? who wants friends ever and was offended by it? i don't think there was a single person i see who was i think the whole thing is nonsense. and if people are offended by it, kill yourself . offended by it, kill yourself. right. i'll just add you not endorse any of self harm . thank endorse any of self harm. thank you for that, francis okay. so our next question is from sarah.

where's sarah? here it's kind of connected to that because . connected to that because. should actors only then play versions of themselves ? and versions of themselves? and again, this is a debate that comes up again and again. but it's happened this week because a guy pearce and you remember guy pearce was famous neighbours and other things but neighbours is main one and he has is the main one and he has apologised he's done that apologised and he's done that thing chris you thing that chris said you shouldn't i his apology shouldn't do. i read his apology because that trans because he said that non trans actors be to play trans actors be able to play trans characters as and this was a tweet that he put out and then he got piled on by activists and then he deleted the tweet and apologised . it's the mistake apologised. it's the mistake i always make apologies to sharks in the water. it was a fantastic fantastic document. it's because he's already , he's apologised he's already, he's apologised and then he's quoted his own tweet that he said he's deleted. so that's fantastic. i mean it means like a drunk, broken hearted lover writing to their ex saying, please me ex and saying, please have me back. but i repeat all back. but also i do repeat all the i had the the complaints i had in the first this glorious . first place. this is glorious. well, got a point. doesn't well, he's got a point. doesn't mean he's i believe he's a

heterosexual man, isn't he? he's an i said no. i'm saying an actor. i said no. i'm saying you're you're right. you're right. you're right. he calls with calls himself somebody with a full, card of privilege. full, full card of privilege. yes, that's right. but he played a gay man in. what was it? it was of quentin, was true pursuit of quentin, queen desert. so he was queen of the desert. so he was actually one of actually straight. he's one of those. spent 30 years those. yes so he spent 30 years regretting it really didn't regretting it. it really didn't quite like that. he's quite state like that. but he's he's very of the bank account and. well now reparations i don't know what rock hudson although he has played a straight he this is the straight man he this guy is the hills was absolutely my hills he was absolutely my mother when she found out he was gay and furious really. gay and was furious really. absolutely. but she felt cheated. she did it. my mother is venezuela and in her own is in venezuela and in her own words, she was like, i have never felt more disgusted really, because he was very attractive and she had a chance. she was i mean, she was in with a to. yes was in shape in a chance to. yes was in shape in his she could have been his beard. she could have been very you seen sea very much his. have you seen sea devils? he's very attractive in that he he was a very that vein. he was he was a very handsome man, very charming. but we have to be able to play different know, i'm different types. you know, i'm not not you know, not saying it's not you know, you couldn't play a sort of 20

stone woman. that would be weird. but you play a gay weird. but you could play a gay man a film. could play man in a film. you could play a trans you know, you trans individual, you know, you could all of things. could do all sorts of things. absolutely. you could act. absolutely. if you could act. yeah, i think i'd be yeah, absolutely. i think i'd be great super cons on great at playing super cons on toun great at playing super cons on tour. i great at playing super cons on toun i i tour. oh, really? i reckon i could nail that why not? could nail that part. why not? why it's cool that. why not? it's cool that. exactly, know. have exactly, you know. yes have played species even played different species even know that you can be you can play know that you can be you can play an animal. yeah, seen play an animal. yeah, i've seen shrek, okay. he's not shrek, right. okay. he's not a or don't. that's true . this is or don't. that's true. this is the problem in his apology he he kind of reverted to that. yeah he was apologising and at the same time so we know what he really thinks. yeah exactly. i mean it's insane. anyway, final question for this section. this one comes alan. alan hello. one comes from alan. alan hello. should ban chat? well, should we ban chat? well, i think should because i hate the idea of chat . this is of this idea of chat. this is of this i think that effectively writes essays for and also thing. apparently you can have a conversation with it and it learns eventually. of course, it will learn how to kill us. let's be clear about that. i mean, we know where this is going, but italy it. so this is

italy has banned it. so this is really interesting because the company the open i and company that runs the open i and they the bot they developed the chat bot they've been ordered to stop operating in country. so the operating in the country. so the hauans operating in the country. so the italians got this italians i think have got this one they've seen one right because they've seen terminator two, they know they know where it goes. i'm not wrong. i'm i'm not fear mongering. no. my luddite . god mongering. no. my luddite. god bless the italians. fascist little. so yeah, occasionally they because such they create because i'm such a narcissist actually went on chat j'pt narcissist actually went on chat jpt you did you i did i said write for me a typical francis foster joke and started with the set up . why did the lefties set up. why did the lefties cross the road ? okay so he's cross the road? okay so he's coming in. well, but was the punchline any good? was punch? no, it was too wordy and not offensive . it didn't get me offensive. it didn't get me wrong. so this is interesting. well, because when people ask you to write jokes, i've seen these things circulated these things being circulated online. someone tried ask online. so someone tried to ask it write a joke about kamala it to write a joke about kamala harris. yeah in the style i think of macdonald. and it think of norm macdonald. and it came saying, we do came back saying, we can't do this because it. because this because that's it. because coming from an coming to harris's from an minority have to minority and we have to have

social responsibility. and then they to write a they asked them to write a joke about straight about donald trump and straight away you know, now if away i did it, you know, now if you've got if the robot said of running the world are woke we are all in a lot of trouble because they only do it because they and they are authoritarians and they've authoritarian they've created authoritarian robots. going to robots. i mean, it's going to get going to get get worse. it's going to get worse. you ban things, worse. but if you ban things, they to up in they don't tend to pop up in good places. they so i don't know. i don't know what the answer to this is, but i'm fearful. so is there a way to destroy them not them? destroy them and not ban them? just destroy but just destroy everything, but destroy computers, destroy destroy all computers, destroy it? like to it? well, i would like to go back to 89. i reckon that's the best. you know, rid of the best. you know, get rid of the internet. could have internet. if you could have a choice, do in 1989. choice, you do that in 1989. i don't know that i'd like to 90. so get to try it. i can so you get to try it. i can write about you take that. i mean i've i'm just maybe i'm just to changing . you just adapting to changing. you know, people like my friend martin that you have to martin says that you have to accept this. this is the future. now, all art, all books will be written by computer. no everything will be general. i mean, the soul mean, it's an art about the soul of the human being, ultimately, of the human being, ultimately, of course of course it

of course it is. of course it is. and the idea that i can preach, i can produce is, i think a because as you said yourself a couple of weeks ago, is an expression, the human soul. however, i then find out that gpt will take all people in advertising jobs so swings around . oh yeah maybe maybe around. oh yeah maybe maybe they'll replace . yeah, exactly. they'll replace. yeah, exactly. who knows ? okay. well, still to who knows? okay. well, still to come on, free speech nation, i'm going to be talking about how facts, reality are simply tools to be twisted in the hands of certain culture warriors. make sure stay tuned .

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for broken. welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle for some kind of activist reality is just another tool something that can be manipulated . it will to promote manipulated. it will to promote a particular agenda . such people a particular agenda. such people live in a world of individual

truths and what they call different of knowing. in other words , facts that are unhelpful words, facts that are unhelpful to. the cause must be jettisoned or twisted into a more convenient shape . last week's convenient shape. last week's show i presented numerous of footage from the protests at the let women speak event in new zealand, where trans activists attempted to intimidate a small group women silence through group of women silence through mob and outright mob pressure and outright violence . and now we have this violence. and now we have this from a new zealand media outlet calling itself media watch, in which the violence that we all saw is outright denial aid. instead, we have a focus in this article on the joy and singing and the dancing, article on the joy and singing and the dancing , the protesters. and the dancing, the protesters. let's have a look at. well, maybe they're just terrible choreographers because . this choreographers because. this footage looks an awful lot like an angry pushing and shoving to get access to one woman who, if it weren't for the bravery of, her stewards, would almost certainly have been violently attacked, is exactly what attacked, which is exactly what happened to the elderly woman who punched the who was repeatedly punched the face after. they face by protesters after. they tore barrier burst tore a barrier apart and burst through we can't show

through footage we can't show here because it's too violent . here because it's too violent. it has been circulating online for. anyone who cares to see it now, it's thing for the now, it's one thing for the media to lie us that's always occurred in one form another, occurred in one form or another, but is something different. but this is something different. this the media lying us in this is the media lying to us in spite of the truth that we can all see before our eyes. in other words , it's a demand for other words, it's a demand for to us ignore reality. and that's more sinister than lying . and more sinister than lying. and although citations from george orwell's 1984 have become something of a cliche , it is something of a cliche, it is impossible in such circumstance not to think of this particular quotation. the told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears it was their final most essential command . but orwell essential command. but orwell wasn't some kind of prophet , wasn't some kind of prophet, simply had a firm grasp of the nature of authoritarianism , its nature of authoritarianism, its endunng nature of authoritarianism, its enduring appeal. there's nothing about this. remember that orwell was a man who volunteered to fight fascists in the spanish civil war, so he understood the need to resist totalitarian ideas. need to resist totalitarian ideas . at that time, orwell felt ideas. at that time, orwell felt that a true history of the war

could be written because accurate, objective accounts of what was happening simply did not exist. here's he wrote even if franco overthrown, what kind of records? with a few historian have to go upon? if franco or anyone at all resembling him remains in power? the history of the will consist largely of facts , which millions of people facts, which millions of people now living know to be lies . now living know to be lies. well, today's circumstances very different. of course, we're not at war. but even in a culture war, some of the same tactics apply . activists who now apply. activists who now dominate in all major public institutions, cooperation and in many sections of the media routinely tell us one thing when we can all see our own eyes that the opposite is true, we will remember the of protests in kenosha on, cnn, which describe them as mostly peaceful in spite of the backdrop of burning cars and we all remember the bbc being rightly mocked for description of largely peaceful protest in london, even though 27 police officers were injured , which is reminiscent, of

course, of chemical ali. the iraqi information who claimed that the western were on the verge of defeat and just as the us tanks were rolling into baghdad, because when authoritarianism, when authoritarianism, when authoritarian , are in charge, authoritarian, are in charge, there are always two versions of reality . that's why major media reality. that's why major media outlets are continually claiming that women's rights campaigners are far right hard right extreme right, or even fascists . and right, or even fascists. and yet, here's what the communist party of britain posted on its website this week. the communist party gender self id as the bafis party gender self id as the basis for sex based entitlements , law to women, single sex rights spaces and facilities. we call for sex as a protected characteristic under the 2010 equality act to be defined as biological sex. well, i guess communists are far right now welcome to the world of topsy turvy them and. the examples are endless so major medical journals are now saying things like sex is a spectrum like this one from a nature magazine or this from the new england

journal of medicine, which argues that sex designations on birth certificates offer no clinical utility . and this clinical utility. and this happens all the time. now we're to unsee all the things that we can so plainly see. we are told activists who beat up women are , even though they're obviously we see people more often threatened and vilified online by campaign owners who've got bekind or love wins in their bios . we're told that woke just bios. we're told that woke just being nice, being compassionate , even though those who describe themselves such are some of the most vicious bullies around. we see people calling for social justice while acting the most unjust ways imaginable . we see unjust ways imaginable. we see people calling themselves left wing while at the same time demonising working class people and prioritise the needs of plummy voiced activists who never worked a day in their lives. we see schools promoting racial inclusivity by segregating children. according to colour. we see so declared anti—racists the conditions within which racism can thrive.

we see labour and ps inadvertently calling for a form of gay conversion through the medicalisation of gender non—conforming children and calling it a ban on therapy in. other words, culture warriors are fighting a with the truth. if can promote ideas that aren't real, we are all expected to play real, we are all expected to play along and those who stick to facts and reality, who are willing to say out loud that there are two sexy eyes. for instance, are demonised as hateful , but to speak hateful, but to speak unfashionable truths is not hate . it's heresy . and that's the . it's heresy. and that's the thing that fundamentalists fear the most . because of what's come the most. because of what's come of free speech nation. i'm about to be joined now but i want to chat to my panel first before we do that francis, any thoughts about this? because one thing that struck me recently is, as i say, in the media. i can say, lies in the media. i can say, lies in the media. i can say that's i'm used to that. we've had it since the media

politicians lying to us okay. but of thing but this kind of thing of just saying that you see saying look that thing you see over isn't and when say over there isn't and when i say something is happening, you have to just accept it. that's it's kind of reminiscent the kind of reminiscent of the soviet it? soviet union, isn't it? and guess absolutely is. and the problem created problem is what that has created . society this huge . our society is this huge between people who follow ideology people who don't ideology and people who don't and what inevitably , when and what inevitably, when there's a schism, is a people go further and further away each other. so what has happened has a real divide and. societies are really divided are not cohesive. and that means society as a whole doesn't work. so it's incredibly worrying. well, they call these a legitimation crisis when figures of authority, including the media are caught including the media are caught in lies the time and they're caughtin in lies the time and they're caught in lies because , they caught in lies because, they want to promote a certain worldview. and whether is from the right or the left, it doesn't really matter. it's and what is that you what it means is that you i mean, get into the habit now mean, i get into the habit now if i read a story i check on three or four sources first because know that source because i know that each source is going lying or is going to be lying or misrepresenting in some way.

it's pretty exhausting. yeah yeah. everything you read, you just oh, just read it and think, oh, i don't i don't know and don't know, i don't know and you're left not. there's nothing to put your feet on to sort of put your feet on firmly. yeah. and that's what really about taking really upsets me about taking art expression, art because human expression, you know, anger, love, that you know, anger, love, all that stuff, oh, at stuff, i feel, oh, at least solid isn't it? once you solid ground, isn't it? once you stop messing about with that. yeah you're clipping stop messing about with that. yea certain you're clipping stop messing about with that. yea certain scenes re clipping stop messing about with that. yea certain scenes in clipping stop messing about with that. yea certain scenes in filmsng stop messing about with that. yea certain scenes in films or out certain scenes in films or of books or rewriting roald or agatha and, know, agatha christie and, you know, all stuff happening. all of this stuff is happening. and got a clip. and we've actually got a clip. this journalist this is the journalist joan smith this clip has gone smith who is this clip has gone viral this week because she was talking about an article she wrote, the financial times can. coming a at this one. coming up, a look at this one. and i wrote a sentence and i said. i wrote a sentence which started of trans which started murders of trans women uk, whereas women rare in the uk, whereas are rate of are murdered at a rate of between and three weeks. and between two and three weeks. and i was all fine. they i thought it was all fine. they said was fine and. then i was said it was fine and. then i was in a bar in rome, a very noisy and i got called at 7:00 in the evening and i was told the literary editor at the et. that a group of people at the paper wanted add sentence saying wanted to add sentence saying murders uk transwomen murders of the uk of transwomen are rare but disproportionately

high to the number of trans people in the country. and i said, but this is not true. and he said, no, but people here feel very uncomfortable with not saying that . so. john smith so saying that. so. john smith so this journalist jane smith was asked her editor, the phd, to put in something that they all accepted wasn't true was a lie because activists prefer it to because activists prefer it to be true . now that should be be true. now that should be shocking , right? well, it should shocking, right? well, it should be shocking, but not shocking. i mean , one thing that is shocking mean, one thing that is shocking about it is that, you the left would be slightly more insulated from this. it's no been very captured. the left has been very careful, only recently found that out. but it has been because it deals with finance. yeah. numbers. and you would expect to that people who read dft don't really care these issues as much because they're more interested in the markets etc. but it just shows how all media is captured and the reality , if all media is reality, if all media is captured, can you believe any of it, it's great that she refuse to capitulate and to write

something false in her article because in her name, you know, if someone said me here, you know, you've got to say this open on air, i would refuse open lie on air, i would refuse to it. how could you do that? to do it. how could you do that? and colleagues as a journalist, you know, think journalist is you know, i think journalist is quite in this day quite a loose term in this day and mean, i don't think and age. i mean, i don't think i don't think most journalists would problem doing that would have a problem doing that really think because really know, you think because we more and we're seeing, we seeing more and we're seeing, as just said, you can get as you've just said, you can get four news sources and four or five news sources and still away thinking. oh, still come away thinking. oh, no, not sure about that. no, i'm not sure about that. a yeah, i mean, it's sort of the time of the irish times there was an article about j.k. rowling the writer for the rowling and the writer for the irish rowling and the writer for the ifish had rowling and the writer for the irish had said that she is irish times had said that she is against treatment of trans against equal treatment of trans people. that's factually incorrect wrong. and i would factually wrong. so and i would be worried about that but, you know, we should be know, i think we should all be worried should all worried because. we should all be it because the be worried about it because the media where we our media is where we our information from. but it's got to the point now like, said to the point now like, i've said before we longer trust before where we no longer trust the that puts us in the media, and that puts us in a very different difficult situation as there's situation because as there's going people on, the other going to be people on, the other side of it who are going promote

their lies. yeah they're going to say, hey, you know what they've been lying to? which of course they you can trust me and it also means it's the boy that cries when you know, when cries wolf when you know, when start telling truth. people start telling the truth. people aren't believe it aren't going to believe it anyway. to come anyway. plenty more to come tonight. free speech nation. i'm about by vanity bon about to be joined by vanity bon glow to discuss the career of the late great paul o'grady .

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papers we're live 9 to 11 on. gb news. welcome back free speech nation. that with me andrew doyle was some very sad news this week . it some very sad news this week. it was announced that the brilliant presenter and comedian paul o'grady had died at the of o'grady had died at the age of 67. o'grady the wonderful drag queen character , lily savage, queen character, lily savage, went on to become a hugely popular tv and radio host, winning numerous awards for the paul . he was an mp paul o'grady. he was made an mp for services to entertainment in 2008. let's him in action. used to call me sweethearts all the time . oh, sweetheart. do you time. oh, sweetheart. do you know why? because you could remember me flicking nine knots. five i know when i him on the. you've got an engagement ring and pikes the jewellers in liverpool in the window. lovely ring that he said i got you that when the shock shots and to pay tribute to paul i'm delighted to vanhy tribute to paul i'm delighted to vanity bon globe . thanks for

vanity bon globe. thanks for joining us. thank i mean that's i think what a great i think lily savage was probably my first encounter with the drag as an art form on tv as a child. and yeah, really pioneering stuff. well, yeah. and i think the thing that strikes me is that paul o'grady many people's first introduction to drag because it was so mainstream. but actually have quite but we actually have quite a rich tradition the uk. yeah rich tradition in the uk. yeah and so there were, you know, little little nods to drag and the absurd comedy throughout television before that. yes. yeah mean even myself. i remember hearing a stranger voice on the tv. i think it was parkinson and only savages parkinson. and the same thing happened to me a few years and maybe it was like a year later i heard the strange voice on parkinson had to come downstairs. who is that? and it was then was dame edna. so knew then i was dame edna. so knew then i was obsessed . and, you know was obsessed. and, you know radio had such a great like vinegar wry sense of humour, which i think of as being really british. yes. and i don't know how many of you have seen an american drag show, but american drag camp . the camp

drag is very camp. the camp almost relies quite a cheeky, i think slight sometimes say a slightly infantile sense of humour. yeah, it's there's a childish optimism to it, which is very charming. but here at the british drag is. oh yeah yeah. sucking on a cigarette. yeah really dry and that's humour we all love. i mean i think i remember as a kid being shocked actually by some of the things lily savage was saying because it and the drag shows have seen, you drag, as have seen, you know, drag, as you can really waspish you say, can really waspish disturbing of these really disturbing some of these really and offensive you know and he would you know would do the same you know taking the life and there's a great thing that i think great comics but definitely comics do. but definitely that lily savage would do, which was say something that's packaged, something the something that's quite on the nose offensive. it nose and quite offensive. but it would a minute you'd would take you a minute you'd have and you'd have the laugh and then you'd 9°, have the laugh and then you'd go, actually really go, that was actually really bad, we'd already moved on. bad, but we'd already moved on. yeah. then it's, like, yeah. and so by then it's, like, well, you've missed your moment to put your up, complain. to put your hand up, complain. yes. a fearlessness yes. and there's a fearlessness that's that, that's required to do that, which the things that which is one of the things that paul had spades off, you paul o'grady had spades off, you know. i think it probably know. yeah, i think it probably

comes from that, you know, to be a fearless comic, have a fearless comic, well, you have to fearless comic. you to be a fearless comic. you either to be a total. but either have to be a total. but i think in paul o'grady case, it was actually enormously compassionate. real compassionate. yes he had a real warmth. a warmth warmth. lily had a warmth underneath all of you know, underneath all of the, you know, pantomime it. i think that's pantomime of it. i think that's a really interesting point because yes, lily savage would say waspish cutting say these waspish cutting things you yeah, you warmed to her. yeah, absolutely . yeah. i mean, think absolutely. yeah. i mean, think about how long i mean, i think lily savage was doing like morning television appearances in the early nineties , then in the early nineties, then right and right up until right up and right up until recent years, paul o'grady was on to sustain 30 years as a on tv to sustain 30 years as a comic in level of scrutiny . and comic in level of scrutiny. and with that many people watching you to be warm, people have to like you if they're to like you for 30 years. absolutely and do you seeing kind of you think seeing that kind of figure had a kind of figure on tv had a kind of positive effect other artists positive effect on other artists of creatives. yeah. mean, of the creatives. yeah. i mean, i think so . say that i would think so. say that there's probably not many people that job that haven't been that do my job that haven't been influenced lily savage some influenced by lily savage some way in the same way that, you know, obsessed with dame know, i'm obsessed with dame edna, humphries you

edna, barry humphries and you know, just when you see something you like in the same way, was my the shows that way, that was my the shows that i do early life music shows you know i have been told i have the voice of a british celine dion you just emulate the things that you just emulate the things that you like. there's you know, you like. there's a, you know, i wouldn't say you imitate it, but you were magpies creative so take just little. yes inflexions and what makes watching and that's what makes watching you know artists so interesting because when you can really especially you can really see their influences and hear where they're coming from and they very interesting drag with very interesting about drag with the creation of a persona that distance between who the person authentically beneath all of that what they create. yeah i think we saw that with paul o'grady much when he got o'grady very much when he got own show. yeah. all of a sudden it's hadn't seeped into it's who hadn't even seeped into that. yeah. absolutely. and people paul o'grady people didn't know paul o'grady name. janet street—porter. she went dinner party. some went to a dinner party. some fancy thing. she didn't tell me this. i watched her also. that was a good name that she was. she sat next to this person and the tag said paul o'grady the name tag said paul o'grady and she went, who on earth is

that? and then he came and he sat on lily savage and she sat in on lily savage and she had you know and she had no idea, you know and she was with lily savage. was familiar with lily savage. his identity was which his his identity was which i actually think kind the right actually think kind of the right thing for drag mean nowadays we have shows show how the sausage is made like rupaul's drag race that people want to watch you. yes, watch that. i find that tedious. i think that's quite a bonng tedious. i think that's quite a boring fixation on how the thing is put together. i might watch the the shows. they are the show, the shows. they are not mean, they're not there. i mean, they're sitting mirror talking sitting in the mirror talking with yeah what is with your friend. yeah what is the point? suppose. oh, sorry. the point? i suppose. oh, sorry. i'll just have to apologise for the bad. they're vanity. what do you. what are you thinking? is the is it kind of like the point. is it kind of like a ventriloquist dummy insofar as you get away with a whole lot more saying paul o'grady had someone's up no, someone's hand up as no, i wasn't suggesting that, but you know like because know what i mean like because you as you i've seen you perform as well some the way that you well some of the way that you get away with i think get away with stuff. i think when the persona that maybe when in the persona that maybe or maybe o'grady wouldn't or maybe paul o'grady wouldn't have with if he wasn't have got away with if he wasn't lily you a 100. i mean , you know

lily you a 100. i mean, you know it's not just that i mean, when you're putting on a persona, you're putting on a persona, you're also taking on different status. yes you know, i think this is one of the things some people that are worried that drag is sort of anti—feminist in some way they miss this. they actually drag puts on the armour of almost the sort of divinely feminine . you know, camille feminine. you know, camille pagua feminine. you know, camille paglia used to say that her favourite feminism was drag queen feminism because the drag queens understood the, the, the visual power of a fabulous , you visual power of a fabulous, you know, imagery. yes so, yeah, if you're going to bedecked yourselves like cleopatra , yourselves like cleopatra, you're going to you're actually going to get just a little bit more leeway from people. i think even leaving aside drag , even leaving aside the drag, paul just a great paul o'grady was just a great writer , a great comedic writer. writer, a great comedic writer. yeah, really. yeah. and yeah, it's really. yeah. and his timing was just yeah, there's he a sort of billick i'm from glasgow and has a slight billy connolly ask thing which you couldn't extract his identity from where he's from. you know

it's local and so , you know, it's local and so, you know, endless stories of , of endless stories of, of characters from his own life like that have made him who was so you couldn't imagine anyone else doing those jokes. oh yeah . well, vanity, thank you so much for joining tonight, professor. and i do out vanity bungalow on twitter. you've got a show coming up, haven't you? powerbar. yes i never tweet anything because have nothing to say that you can get my show drag queen power ballads. it's a sort of budget concert and it's in london. you get tickets on the internet, type in drag power ballads. this is what it says on, the tin. it's a great thing to cheaper. the abba to do much cheaper. the abba voyage i would it is much voyage thing i would it is much cheapen voyage thing i would it is much cheaper. right well, cheaper. yeah, right well, coming up on free speech nation, we're to be asking if the we're going to be asking if the new humza can new snp leader humza yousaf can secure and we'll be secure for scotland and we'll be taking a look this week's taking a look at this week's social sensation. you a social sensation. see you in a few minutes .

okay . welcome back . free speech okay. welcome back. free speech nafion okay. welcome back. free speech nation with me andrew doyle . i'd nation with me andrew doyle. i'd just like to reiterate our apologies if. just like to reiterate our apologies if . anyone was apologies if. anyone was offended by the bad language in the previous of the show and coming up, i'm free speech nation. i'm going be asking nation. i'm going to be asking the snp leader humza yousaf the new snp leader humza yousaf can independence can support secure independence for scotland. also going for scotland. we're also going to at this week's to be looking at this week's social sensation. there's social sensation. so there's a lot go through in this final lot to go through in this final section of show. so to on section of the show. so to on scottish politics now. so this week humza yousaf was confirmed as scotland's new first minister, replacing nicola sturgeon, the 37 year old health secretary, becomes the first muslim of a major muslim leader of a major political and was as the political party and was as the continuity candidate . but can he continuity candidate. but can he achieve the snp's ultimate goal, which is of course independence for scotland ? so here to discuss for scotland? so here to discuss the task facing new leader, i'm joined by former snp councillor austin sheridan and former msp for the conservative and then reform uk, michelle ballantyne,

thank you both so much for joining me tonight. michelle going to come to you first. do you feel that humza yousaf has what it takes to the ultimate goal for the snp is of course independence for scotland . in a independence for scotland. in a word, no . he presented himself word, no. he presented himself as the continuity candidate and. i think continuity is exactly what we saw. the first stefan key, is it? it was dull? it was uninspiring. and what's worse, he just would straight to the sturgeon playbook of . everything sturgeon playbook of. everything is everybody else. vote is the uk government's vote and hayhoe. i'll throw in a misleading statistic and will say that scotland had more job growth than in the uk and course that's factually incorrect . so what factually incorrect. so what we're getting is just more of the and actually nicola sturgeon gave us the answer that . she gave us the answer that. she went to court, the court said that the holyrood doesn't have the to actually put in an independent but campaign and about and therefore the answer is no and he can't do anything

about it . is no and he can't do anything about it. he's just going to give his buddies lots of money, talk about it, and that'll be that. austin sheridan is that an insurmountable obstacle insofar as westminster has already said that they would have to give approval any kind of independence vote no . humza independence vote no. humza yousaf as a kind of independence, but not to some of what it does require wider effort from our independence parties and indeed the overall belief that the way that we achieve independence is by moving the dial supports. i believe that although the results in november efforts to deliver a was ultimately should at the right side and trying to do that. and i believe that the opinion and we have the kind of go between yes was and it a no. i believe that if we can the dial and support for independence make it consistent as in maybe see 55 60% then those obstacles at are present to scotland on the referendum. but then dissolve because then

we would be able to make a stronger case that they are going against all of the scottish people and i just don't believe that westminster would believe that westminster would be able to sustain that kind of resistance. now austin sheridan you are right to say that. the polls suggesting of polls suggesting the snp of still in scotland still very popular in scotland but . salmond recently said but. alex salmond recently said that underneath sturgeon's leadership vote for the independence or at least the polling for independence, did drop way. that mark that drop way. that 50% mark that they require . do you think that they require. do you think that nicola sturgeon failed or drew the cause of scottish independence? i suppose back—pedalled on that view . back—pedalled on that view. well, i at one point on the concession was first minister independence dependent 58, which is the highest we had ever seen support for. and dependence. that's what i've discussed . that's what i've discussed. we're talking about that. and i voted fluctuation and the opinion polls. i think it's important to note that independence doesn't hinge on one person doesn't. and doesn't change question doesn't it change the question doesn't it doesn't change what salmond actually edges on single person who believes the independence .

who believes the independence. so then a campaign to convince ourselves that since that independence as the best way forward and if we do that an effective that we can move the dial support for independence to if have to face facts consistently and opinion polls then would say that resistance at westminster shows to scottish democracy . but then start to democracy. but then start to dissolve because would become completely untenable . michelle completely untenable. michelle ballantyne is it not the case the snp are, you know so powerful in scotland? it's effectively it's been described as a kind of one party state. other parties can't get close to it because this independence issue, even when as we saw with the reform to the gender recognition bill, they were putting something through that even didn't even their own voters didn't approve it not the case approve of. is it not the case of the snp? just hate to say of the snp? i just hate to say say , and they're probably not say, and they're probably not ever going to disappear. they've been around for a long time, but the point is what austin is saying quite clear they've got to move the dial and the reality they can't move the dial far because they can't govern well

enough to convince anybody that previously voted and still supports no one in a strong way. and once uk to stay together, they can't us that actually they're competent enough or that scotland actually would be well enough to sustain the that people are basically used to because at the moment it is heavily subsidised by the uk as a whole and i think it that inability to govern scotland well that means that they will never get past that the position where the majority scotland say actually you what i think we could make a go of it as an independent country because the reality is they're so fixated on on separating the uk that they've got a whole load of people in government who neither have the experience or the talent , the qualities needed to talent, the qualities needed to actually provide a real growth economy to actually make the trains run well and on time, to provide a justice system that people feel safe and they

recognise who are the victims and, who aren't the victims. and i think is a great problem with the scottish government as a whole that they don't do the right thing, they're not using their devolved powers to make scotland a better place . it's scotland a better place. it's all talk, it's all fluff . well, all talk, it's all fluff. well, we've got two very opposing viewpoints there . i do viewpoints there. i do appreciate you both coming on to discuss. austin sheridan and michelle ballantine, thank you very . it's time for very much. so it's now time for social sensations . this very much. so it's now time for social sensations. this is the part of the show we devote to hits and misses from the world of social. so first up, we tribute to paul o'grady earlier and we're certainly not ones to have missed the comedian this week, but dominic raab had a bit of a tricky one. let's have a look at this. i thank you all i totally agree with him and paul grayson was incredible comic, but he also but at least one truly great i actually feel sorry for him though. i mean, it can happen to anyone, can it? and grayson was a great. yes, very. grayson was a great comic.

yeah. yeah yeah, yeah. quite different from. yeah, yeah i mean that could happen to anyone that could easily you know, i've made mistakes with names before. yes. and he laughed it off. he laughed it off. yes he did quite well i mean whether they'll be any bullying later on and will correct it. don't know. okay. correct it. i don't know. okay. well, to his well, i'm going to take his frustrations out on a civil servant allegedly. next servant allegedly. okay. next up, video has gone up, this this video has gone viral as well. this is an actor, kathy burke, and this is to do with definition of woke, with the definition of woke, what have to say in you what does she have to say in you , call out friends, , if you call out friends, basically , if you're not racist basically, if you're not racist , you're woke. if not homophobic? oh, you woke be woke can be work . and this just think can be work. and this just think shows like i'm sure she completely means well and thinks that that's what it means and everyone's got totally different definitions term. mean definitions this term. i mean i would that if you're woke, would say that if you're woke, you're authoritarian and contributing to a racist climate so what she so the opposite of what she thinks we're both on the thinks and we're both on the same as we're both

same side insofar as we're both against it is difficult against racism. it is difficult it difficult when the word it is difficult when the word woke from woke originally comes from a 1938 leadbelly which was 1938 song by leadbelly which was the famous blues which was talking actually the killings of four black men who were put to because they were wrongly convicted . scottsboro boys. convicted. scottsboro boys. yeah, yeah. and he was actually saying stay woke, which is be aware of racial injustice. yes, we all agree on. but where it's got to now is where if you say the wrong word or have the wrong opinion will completely destroy you. even it's mistakes that you. even if it's mistakes that in the past . i you. even if it's mistakes that in the past. i don't think that's what it means. no, it's not what she means. that's the point, is that what you'll find is the work people who describe themselves as work, who themselves as work, people who use work as a use the word work as a pejorative, people people who say is just say that being work is just being kind, speaking . being kind, broadly speaking. they're all against racism. they think, be alert think, you should be alert to injustice. we resolve injustice. so how do we resolve this? a language. well, it this? it's a language. well, it is a language problem . but is a language problem. but if you're burke, kind of you're kathy burke, you kind of like, on, check first. you like, come on, check first. you know , it just strikes me that's know, it just strikes me that's

not very self aware. and i say that someone who loves kathy not very self aware. and i say thut someone who loves kathy not very self aware. and i say thut no,omeone who loves kathy not very self aware. and i say thut no, she'sle who loves kathy not very self aware. and i say thut no, she's brilliant./es kathy not very self aware. and i say thut no, she's brilliant. it; kathy , but no, she's brilliant. it breaks my heart that. okay, well, we don't much well, look, we don't have much time, to see if we can time, so i do to see if we can get one of your unfiltered dilemmas in which do at dilemmas in which tried to do at the the show this one the end of the show this one came in from alexandra in she says friends in a whatsapp group are very some sort are getting very about some sort of trip or holiday. of upcoming trip or holiday. only is. i've not been only problem is. i've not been ianed only problem is. i've not been invited do i it's an invited do i hope it's an oversight and raise the issue or keep quiet possibly miss keep quiet and possibly miss out. that is awkward, isn't it when you're a whatsapp group when you're in a whatsapp group and say, you know, and everyone say, you know, we're off to tenerife next week. oh, on minute , maybe they oh, hang on a minute, maybe they should out should have got her out a whatsapp group or created new one. so without you know, i mean, if i think she should her emotions take it to the grave. don't embarrass me. but maybe that's why people do leave. they do break group she texted you might go hey francis don't tell andrew. but yeah i hope you're not doing that. yeah, yeah well yeah. going go to yeah. we're going to go to a very of italian wine and very exclude of italian wine and then back and complain. then come back and complain. he's i can't believe

then come back and complain. he's annoyed|'t believe then come back and complain. he's annoyed that lieve then come back and complain. he's annoyed that ieve then come back and complain. he's annoyed that i didn't you're annoyed that i didn't invite but we don't invite you though. but we don't know just. i know you've got know. just. i know you've got expensive tastes. i wouldn't be able up well capri. able to keep up well in, capri. oh, invited . you just saw oh, i invited. you just saw cleveland to suck . it's not cleveland to suck. it's not capn cleveland to suck. it's not capri . it'sjust. see, do cleveland to suck. it's not capri . it's just. see, do we capri. it's just. see, do we don't know what you eat. just get out. just get over it . yeah, get out. just get over it. yeah, that's my. that's my advice. anyway i think we've solved that problem. yeah thank you all so much for joining for free speech nation. this was week, of course, when activists harassed a youtuber to prove they were on the right of history. humza yousaf became the new leader of the snp and the grand jury decided to indict donald trump . decided to indict donald trump. thanks so to my lovely thanks so much to my lovely panel christina whetton and frances foster and to all of my guests this evening . by the way, guests this evening. by the way, if want join us live in if you want to join us live in the studio for free speech nafion the studio for free speech nation and part of our wonderful audience, can that just audience, you can do that just go ww dot sro audiences .com go to ww dot sro audiences .com and tuned for mark dolan tonight that's next and headliners at 11:00, francis is going to be there for that. thanks for

watching. goodbye . hello there. watching. goodbye. hello there. i'm and welcome to our latest broadcast from the met office . broadcast from the met office. try over the next few days as , try over the next few days as, high pressure builds in. we will see plenty of sunny spells by day, but chilly at night and then rain later moving in by the middle of the week. this area of high pressure to the east of us keeping weather fronts bay keeping weather fronts at bay generally the next days. generally over the next days. but try move as we but they will try move in as we head towards wednesday in particular bringing wetter particular bringing some wetter and the north and windier across the north and, the west. chilly evening out skies out there. we've got clear skies across much of the just some across much of the uk. just some thicker cloud around, northern across much of the uk. just some thichesterni around, northern across much of the uk. just some thichestern areas1d, northern across much of the uk. just some thichestern areas .i, northern across much of the uk. just some thichestern areas . this�*thern across much of the uk. just some thichestern areas . this willn and western areas. this will generally keep the frost at bay here. the clear here. elsewhere under the clear skies tonight , we'll see skies tonight, we'll see temperatures close to, temperatures falling close to, if below freezing, minus if not below freezing, minus 2 to —4. in the prone spots of northern england , southern northern england, southern scotland. but means plenty of blue skies to start day on monday morning. a chilly start. you might need to scrape the ice of the cold, but that will soon melt away as the sun gets to work. and the on monday

work. and then the day on monday , a fine day to come. plenty of sunny spells sunshine. a bit more though, limited more hazy, though, and limited across of northern ireland across parts of northern ireland and scotland. temperatures and scotland. but temperatures doing quite well. 14 or 15 celsius in the north, in the west , but still chilly along west, but still chilly along some eastern coast with the breeze coming off the north sea here. temperatures falling again monday under those clear monday evening under those clear skies. the cloud just thickening across parts of northern ireland, western scotland. further as this weather system starts to move in, giving a few of rain. but just notice the blues returning back on the map, indicating a frost, returning to take us into tuesday morning . take us into tuesday morning. that means again, a sunny start across much of england and wales. cloudy across northern ireland, far west scotland to begin to with some patchy rain and drizzle here. this continues through the day, but elsewhere plenty of sunny spells over again , the sunshine just turning again, the sunshine just turning hazy . further east across parts hazy. further east across parts of scotland , england into the of scotland, england into the afternoon . temperatures not too afternoon. temperatures not too bad in that sunshine and that wet weather moving in for wednesday thursday,

wednesday, thursday, but temperatures a little temperatures overall a little above average .

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