dewbs& c0. coming up tonight . dewbs& co. coming up tonight. dog whistle racism . that is what dog whistle racism. that is what suella braverman has been accused of today. i mean, to be honest, she's always accused of that, isn't she.7 let's honest, she's always accused of that, isn't she? let's face facts. however, tonight it relates to the grooming gangs. isn't racist to capture the ethnicity of those people suspected of grooming. charles brown and sexually abusing them. your thoughts? and did you see the absolute start of the goings on in dover at the weekend ? on in dover at the weekend? accuse as long as your eye can see what is to blame. the b word

, of course, is those pesky brexiteers once again. is it time we thought we kind of burying our head in the sand now and deny the impacts of our decision? or are people just too quick once again to blame it for everything ? and when it comes to everything? and when it comes to this day, thank you very much. i want you as far away as possible from my business and from anything, really, unless you actually have to be involved. but sadiq khan has got all the ideas wants rent control. ideas he wants rent control. this is something that's been called for many times . but again called for many times. but again today, don't worry about london. think about the whole country. is the answer to the housing crisis. landlords being dictated to by councillors, mayors, whatever you want to call it, the amount of rent that they can charge. i certainly think not. but what do you reckon we'll get into all of that and more. but before we do so, let's bring ourselves to speed with ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines. the polly . michel, thank

polly middlehurst. michel, thank you . good evening to you. the you. good evening to you. the top story on tv news tonight, the man who murdered olivia pratt—korbel in liverpool has been sentenced today to life in prison and will serve a minimum term of 42 years. thomas cashman shot the nine year old girl as he chose to convict a drug dealer into her home in august last year. the 34 year old refused to appear in the dock to hear victim impact statements or his sentence . outside the court, his sentence. outside the court, the schoolgirl mother, cheryl cobell, said her family has already started their life sentence. having to spend the rest of their lives without olivia , it was the least of our olivia, it was the least of our lives . a sassy, chatty girl who lives. a sassy, chatty girl who never ran out of energy. she was a character. she was my baby. and she was amazing qualities and knew what she wanted in life. if you want to talk here, she was the baby off of our family on my little off my

shadow . now everything we do family on my little off my shadow. now everything we do in everywhere we go was a constant reminder that if she is not there with those all our promise for their future so clearly taken away . an emotional cheryl taken away. an emotional cheryl corbell speaking outside manchester crown court a short time ago. will detective superintendent mark baker said he hopes the sentence will act as a deterrent to others . i hope as a deterrent to others. i hope that the sentence of 42 years given to thomas cashman today will act as a deterrent for anyone who thinks of picking up anyone who thinks of picking up a gun and putting our communities at risk through their reckless behaviour . this their reckless behaviour. this has been a challenging and complex and emotional inquiry. i want to thank and praise the commitment, dedication and sheer determination of the investigation team as they pursued the truth . well, in pursued the truth. well, in other news today, the brother of

the television presenter phillip schofield , has been found guilty schofield, has been found guilty of sexually abusing a teenage boy . timothy schofield was boy. timothy schofield was charged with 11 offences involved a child between october 2016 and october 2019. the 54 year old has been remanded in custody and will be sentenced next month. reacting to the verdict, phillip schofield said as far as i'm concerned, i no longer have a brother . and the longer have a brother. and the prime minister has announced a new taskforce today to crack down on grooming gangs. speaking on a visit to rochdale, rishi sunak ag said the measures aim to prevent victim teams and whistleblowers from being doored by the authorities because of cultural sensitivities or political correctness. that's after the home secretary singled out british—pakistani men as a particular concern . critics say particular concern. critics say excessively focusing on race could create new blindspots when tackling child abuse. but speaking exclusively to gb news,

suella braverman says her comments on pakistani men were based on local reviews and reports . it's not racist to tell reports. it's not racist to tell the truth about what has been going on here in rochdale or in rotherham or in telford . local rotherham or in telford. local reviews and reports have confirmed the grooming gangs scandal that has gone on here has been perpetrated by largely british, pakistani men. now it's important not to demonise a whole community and the vast majority of british pakistanis are law abiding and straightforward people . well, straightforward people. well, the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says the government has been turning a blind eye to the problem. i want a government that recognises the full response that's needed here and a government that really has been behind the curve now for a decade and you know, very many of the measures i was calling for ten years ago , the for ten years ago, the government still hasn't done and it's not tackling online issues.

so there's big gaps in something which is ten years too late. but look, we'll work with anybody to improve the situation . teachers improve the situation. teachers in england will go on strike for another two days next term after rejecting the latest government pay rejecting the latest government pay offer . they'll walk out on pay offer. they'll walk out on the 27th of april, on the 2nd of may. 98% of any new members voted against what they described as an insulting offer of a £1,000 one off payment, plus an average rise of 4.5% for the next year . any use? general the next year. any use? general secretary mary boosted appealed to the education secretary to negotiate a much better deal . negotiate a much better deal. and lastly, finland will officially become a member of nato tomorrow, bringing an end to decades of neutrality . to decades of neutrality. turkey's parliament ratified the move, clearing the way for the country to join the military alliance. both sweden and finland applied to join nato last may after russia's invasion of ukraine. sweden's bid to

continue is to be blocked by turkey and hungary. but the head of nato says finland's membership will be beneficial to both . on tv online dvb plus both. on tv online dvb plus radio and on the tune an app . radio and on the tune an app. this is gb news the people's channel. time for tapes and co . channel. time for tapes and co. thanks for that polyglot michelle g. brian i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 tonight. so alongside me , 7:00 tonight. so alongside me, i've got my panel, joe phillips, a political commentator, and ben habib, the ceo of fast property group a member of reform group and a member of reform party. and suggest you take a party. and i suggest you take a long, hard look at mr. habib , long, hard look at mr. habib, because might be the last because this might be the last time you see him , because time you ever see him, because he was a very simple task this time last week i was explaining he's the housewife's favourite on this show . you all love him. on this show. you all love him. i know this. you tell me every night you see him . but he told

night you see him. but he told me, can't cook . so i set him me, can't cook. so i set him a very simple target , a very very simple target, a very simple task. bring it in france. i was one of the viewers that suggested it. i know a salad is what you have to do. and you know what? it's done. everybody turned up empty handed . i mean, turned up empty handed. i mean, i don't know. i mean, we could we ate it before we came into the studio. i could have done. but we didn't. i'm so sorry we did. i had it all. i had it did. we. i had it all. i had it all planned . and then mind all planned. and then my mind went well i'm going to went blank. well i'm going to let be the of that. let you be the judge of that. what you make that someone what you make so that if someone says going to bring a says they're going to bring in a fruit then just even fruit salad, then just even bother to just kick out, let bother to just kick him out, let him finish the show. i was never bnng him finish the show. i was never bring back we'll see. bring him back again. we'll see. appropriate a non appropriate punishment for a non showing salad from showing fruits salad from olivier tonight's anyway i get in touch i bet you've a lot of people you with a fan favourite they've gone off about anyway get touch with us i was about get in touch with us i was about whatever you want at tonight's gbviews@gbnews.uk is that america? tweet me at gb news. i've got a lot coming up. tonight's grooming gangs. i want to to you about the mess at

to talk to you about the mess at the was that fault the weekend. was that the fault of or not? one of my own of brexit or not? one of my own . my panel is nodding furiously . she definitely thinks it is . i . she definitely thinks it is. i don't think it is. and i suspect ben habib might think it's not ehhen ben habib might think it's not either. but he also goes on. that's also as well. what did you think? did you see that say a sentencing of cashman a sentencing of thomas cashman earlier from olivia earlier on from olivia pratt—korbel? was great, pratt—korbel? it was great, wasn't it, to victory being wasn't it, to see victory being served? i'll just it's been said to him that i really dislike the fact that he didn't actually even go into the courtroom to face sentence , as i don't face his sentence, as i don't know how people can get away with that. you know, if it was down would have liked down to me, i would have liked him that kicking and him in that room kicking and scream, i would have made scream, and i would have made him look at the family of that little and made him see and little girl and made him see and hear his fate was going to hear what his fate was going to be than cowering away in be rather than cowering away in a room . anyway, your a back room. anyway, your thoughts on all of that? let's get into our top story there . get into our top story there. zahawi has announced zahawi rishi sunak has announced a plan to stop house sex a new plan to stop house sex grooming gangs have targeted young women and girls and youth taskforce is going to be formed

andifs taskforce is going to be formed and it's going to involve specialist officers. apparently the said that cultural the pm said that cultural sensitivity and political correctness should not stand in the way of targeting ethnic minorities . let's be honest, minorities. let's be honest, we've seen this happen up and down the country now, haven't we? labour have said that the proposals were i quote, far too inadequate . ben habib, your inadequate. ben habib, your thoughts ? well, i mean, i think thoughts? well, i mean, i think suella braverman is absolutely right not to be shamed into not calling out the rotherham gang . calling out the rotherham gang. of course, the rotherham gang is not on its own, but it is well documented that for many years the police didn't challenge them because of fear , of accusations because of fear, of accusations of racism . and this is where of racism. and this is where i not want to get drawn into a discussion on work, but this is why work is quite dangerous work, as i've defined on this programme before, is the ostensible championing of minority rights at the exclusion and often the detriment of the majority and we have politicians now who champion minority

rights. so sort of fervently sadiq khan is a great example , sadiq khan is a great example, you know, where he has targets for minimum sort of racial levels in the in the police for example, which if you put it the other way round , would be other way round, would be a minimum target for white police officers in the met, which would be regarded as racist. but because we're so now with this desire to be seen, to be inclusive , to be championing inclusive, to be championing minority rights , i think the minority rights, i think the pendulum has swung too far and certainly our judicial system, our law enforcement, you know, the police and so on need to be absolute , unashamed about who absolute, unashamed about who they challenge for crimes that are committed . and there are committed. and there shouldn't be even the slightest hint that they're not challenging pakistani men in rotherham because they're because they're pakistani, because they're pakistani, because they're pakistani, because they're fearful of being

accused of being racist. so i applaud suella braverman for having the courage to come out and call this for what it is, at least in rotherham is concerned, which is the suppression of investigate in the investigation of these people for fear of being called racist . and before being called racist. and before i said, you know, this was very serious, what happened in rotherham , it was something that rotherham, it was something that went on for 30 years. 1400 children abused by taxi drivers, predominantly picking them up and, you know, taking advantage of them. so, so sewell is right. she needs to call it out. but of course, that doesn't diminish from the importance of tackling the rest of the problem , which the rest of the problem, which includes, you know, white people as much as it does. and with pakistani origins and by the where i don't want to make it clear because i spoke to mark oliver about this topic on my show, that long ago she show, not that long ago and she really made it clear to me that this is not a historical thing . this is not a historical thing. that's in yesterday's memory. this is still in her mind. she

has a foundation that looks after these people. she's getting reports of this pretty much daily when she was talking to me not that long ago. so it's very much a current thing. i know. what are your thoughts on that? think it's to be that? well, i think it's to be welcomed. it is pretty much what the labour party proposed ten years is not that far years ago. it is not that far from what may proposed from what theresa may proposed when home secretary when she was home secretary priti patel when was home priti patel when she was home secretary. so, you know, as we come to the local actions, come up to the local actions, there's an lot of stuff. there's an awful lot of stuff. it's like one of those shops that's forever closing that's got a forever closing down sale. government's down sale. the government's coming out with headline grabbing things. i think what's interesting that go interesting is that if you go back to the alexis jay report into rochdale and rotherham, which was published last year, and herself has welcomed and she herself has welcomed this, the mandate reporting is the key, i think in this , the key, i think in this, because don't forget, a lot of the girls and they were predominately girls who were groomed and abused so awfully in those cities. they were in care. so not only were they abused and

nobody believed them, they were in the care of the local authority of the state, which is just makes it even worse . so just makes it even worse. so i think this you know, there's a whole load of issues here. there's no new money or not that's been announced today. there's no new resources. so if this is just a question of moving things around, when you've got local authorities who are facing budget cuts, there are facing budget cuts, there are cuts to social services, you've got pressures on schools for all sorts of reasons. you've got a mistrust in the police , got a mistrust in the police, which we have discussed on this programme many times and has been amplified by the case. you report in other reports and i think it's really important that suella braverman , who i am not suella braverman, who i am not a great fan of, as ben knows , she great fan of, as ben knows, she doesn't use this as very diplomatic job. yeah i know. you should have her. i don't think this is dog whistle. i think she is. she should have prefaced what whatever she said and made

clear that she was talking about , you know, rotherham and rochdale, which we know to be a fact. downing street this afternoon or rishi sunak has actually slightly distanced himself because her comments have been seen and been used as a catchall . and that is a catchall. and that is dangerous . and i think it's dangerous. and i think it's because people have got to enforce what a brave woman it's like. enforce what a brave woman it's uke.she enforce what a brave woman it's like. she can it doesn't seem to be able to do anything. she doesn't say, look at our races because she doesn't stop and think does. a very think she does. she's a very deep thinker. i do think that's right. she's the right. well, she's had the courage that about brexit in a minute dover. she should minute in dover. well she should . sorry, let me . let me just go. sorry, let me just tell you what peter wanless, who's the chief executive of the nspcc and again, he's sort of welcomed this propose will welcome the report with all the caveats that we've talked about. but he says predators come from a large range of cultural backgrounds , range of cultural backgrounds, andifs range of cultural backgrounds, and it's really important that we don't create other blind spots by raising the race issue. and i think that's the key to it, that if we all go down the

path, there will be some people who i'm thinking only will go, oh, you know, it's all pakistani men . well, we know factually men. well, we know factually that it tends to. but what she's done, what she's done is debugged the debate because you weren't allowed to go there before she did what she did . and before she did what she did. and it's not just dog whistle politics. you know, some of some of what politicians do obviously before elections is . but the before elections is. but the fact that the secretary of state is prepared to say it is a big step for the but it's the mandatory reporting thing that makes it work. mandatory reporting thing that makes it work . then if it works, makes it work. then if it works, because it means that if you know, if you're a teacher or you're a care home worker or you're a care home worker or you're in involved in social services or, you know, anything involved , children sure got to involved, children sure got to it. but there's no doubt that rotherham , the police, were rotherham, the police, were reluctant to take fear of being labelled as racist. yes. and thatis labelled as racist. yes. and that is an unacceptable situation. you know , in our situation. you know, in our country, nobody disagrees with that. you know, this displays in saying, yes, i'm slightly

digressing, but i think it's the same, know, we celebrate same, you know, we celebrate multicultural ism as country. multicultural ism as a country. we celebrate having all these different cultures in the country, which is great, but what we don't do well is, is homage and eyes and a similar late cultures. what we tend to do in this country with multiculturalism is to set up ghettos of different kinds of people. so if you go across the united kingdom, you have ghettos of , you know, people from of, you know, people from pakistan, from india, from north africa, wherever it might be. and that is not healthy . you and that is not healthy. you know, underlying all of this personal choice, though, because if i moved to a different country, you'd go when there's a bunch of northerners, i'd probably want to be like them because i've got loads common because i've got loads in common and you come by and a lot on where you come by the food that you want for your cooking. but cooking, but what you want, what you want in a society, in my view , is a strong society, in my view, is a strong social fabric. and if you're all broken up into different sort of

minor itty groups without sharing values, without getting the best of each other, without assimilating , i think there's a assimilating, i think there's a real risk of this kind of thing happening because part of the problem with the rotherham gangs was they had a kind of was that they had a kind of antipathy to white girls. it was white girls who talk to white girls who would talk to girls in what kind of society welcomes into their midst, into their bosom, if you like , and their bosom, if you like, and antipathetic form of multiculturalism . that is not multiculturalism. that is not something we should celebrate . something we should celebrate. thatis something we should celebrate. that is something where multiculturalism has gone fundamentally wrong. but you also have to and again, i go back to professor alexis, jay's report last year, which was the independent inquiry into that abuse. independent inquiry into that abuse . and she used examples and abuse. and she used examples and made the point that, you know , made the point that, you know, this sort of grooming and abuse has been going on for centuries. she talked about the catholic church. she talked about the anglican church . look at jemmy, anglican church. look at jemmy, savile , how the victims were not savile, how the victims were not believed . and, you know, there believed. and, you know, there was a white man who was held up as this great charity worker who

was protected. and in a sense, he got the same kind of protection precisely inadvertently, that these people got. exactly. so i think it's really important that, you know, the broad i think we're in broad agreement . but this shouldn't agreement. but this shouldn't become a race issue because otherwise it's occluded. if we didn't think it was a race issue and if it weren't being challenged because they were in i think, minority, and that's where we've got to stop the language of woke. we've got to stop black lives matter, all lives matter . we've got to debug lives matter. we've got to debug the debate . you know, we've got the debate. you know, we've got to take things back to basics. everyone equal. it to take things back to basics. everyone equal . it doesn't everyone is equal. it doesn't matter colour you matter what colour you are, where what your where you come from, what your religious beliefs are, the people in authority and the people in authority and the people who've got power to change things and get justice and seek justice, which we have seen. but they're not doing that. now. you take sadiq khan, he's a great example. then i'm going to come on. he politicises racial differences. he inculcate division in london. then if he gets votes on the back of it,

and that is deeply divisive, the report, you know, only last week or the week before for louise case, he's talking about the metropolitan police being, you know, insta totally racist. yeah, well, i mean, i've got a slight issue with that. i've got a slight issue. i mean, i think there no doubt , you know, mr. there is no doubt, you know, mr. sozzani and homophobia and all the rest of it, that casey concluded on. but i've got i've got a real problem with saying the met's institutionally racist . racist. got a real issue . racist. i've got a real issue with there things with that. there were bad things that happened . but to lambaste that happened. but to lambaste the whole institute, i think is wrong . one of the things that's wrong. one of the things that's coming through on this inbox as well is the hypocrisy of labour bruises. this is just usual led hypocrisy . they're blaming hypocrisy. they're blaming government. these gangs have been mainly labour controlled councils. that's coming through thick and fast on the email. and what i find quite interesting today, i was looking at some of the former labour mp in rochdale. he retweeted a clip

from yvette cooper. she was basically saying that the government, this government had failed to act and he said these directly quoting him, the bare faced cheek of labour. here i was warned off mentioning the ethnicity or religion of those in the rochdale grooming gangs by see that labour mp pays . and by see that labour mp pays. and he says at labour councils suppressed intelligence on the grooming gangs to the detriment of the victims. so i found not quite interesting insight. ali wrong so you could make of that what you will and to me is absolutely crucial at your capturing people's ethnicity. it's a race, religion, whatever you want to describe as particularly when that might have been a motivating factor for people behave the way for why people behave the way that they do. because i would say that are some traps say that there are some traps out there that do, for whatever reason. see, whites , women as reason. see, whites, women as very much less than them. so i absolutely applaud the capturing of that information myself. keep your thoughts coming in, gb views and gbnews.uk . we are

views and gbnews.uk. we are indeed the people's channel, so we are all about you . lots of we are all about you. lots of people have asked me to fire ben a fruit salad. i like you. they're waiting outside with pineapple to throw. just so you could have a fruit salad . it could have a fruit salad. it says , i say this every time, but says, i say this every time, but joe is the a star of your end, mr. punchline. he says, richard, i love him. am i go right. i'm going to take a two minute break, let you cover your thoughts on my next topic. brexit is not to blame for the goings on at dover. if you've missed the goings on at dover, where have you been? the queue here. i'm sorry, short the queue was as long as the eye can see. and of course brexit has got the blame. is this just a taste of things to come in post—brexit? britain oh no. i'll see you into

hi, i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through 7:00 tonight here on gb news, britain's news channel. i'm with you. right. so seven, as i said, joe phillips, a political commentator, keeps me company , has just been happy to company, has just been happy to see a first property group and a member of reform party and lots of strong opinions coming in on that last topic about grooming gangs and whether or not it's dog whistle racism to collect the ethnicity of people accused of such crimes. all notes. i'll be reading some of your thoughts out towards the end of the programme. lots of people , ben programme. lots of people, ben again asking me please don't get rid of ben salah's. again asking me please don't get rid of ben salah's . lots of rid of ben salah's. lots of ladies offering to give you cooking lessons. oh things clean up. better not read on goodness. oh, we ought to go after the watershed. i will get you back

to doc and we'll tell ben feedback that we're getting about rights travellers at doven have about rights travellers at dover. have you seen also a forced to queue for hours ? it forced to queue for hours? it depends who you believe, quite frankly. some people said at the start of 24 hours of the people, 12 i was 18 i was anyway make of it what you will the point is that we're long queues that we're very long queues indeed. let's cut to the chase. i it's i think you all guess i it's i think you can all guess what's coming there was what's coming next. there was one and it seemed me one thing and it seemed to me the only thing only got the the only one thing only got the blame and that was brexit. i'm going cut straight to the going to cut straight to the chase because suspect that ben chase because i suspect that ben habib might argue the case that isn't brexit. so i'll start with you, because i suspect that you might have a different future . might have a different future. put it in context. the delay is were not to call person just so. i mean, there were some delays. but the worse delays were for coaches. but the worse delays were for coaches . and the reason is that coaches. and the reason is that since we left the eu , we now since we left the eu, we now have to everybody has to get off the coach and go through and have their passport checked and stamped . so it is part of brexit

stamped. so it is part of brexit because we are now treated as a non—european country and that french are not treating us any differently. how would they how would their passports check before brexit? coach travellers you just throw it up. usually the coach driver would throw it, throw it up, show it up at the window or just his passport or all your passport. you didn't have to get off the bus. yeah, but . but you have to get off the bus. yeah, but. but you had to have to get off the bus. yeah, but . but you had to show but. but you had to show a passport because we're not part of it. you know, you had so much changed. it's a process. oh, they would. come on, they come on and they checked. so why don't they come on because don't they come on now? because they and you'll know they are now. and you'll know this. juxtaposed borders . this. it's juxtaposed borders. so the government invited the french to put their border in england because otherwise you'd have the that's effectively how it used to be. they had they had their checks and we had our checks. everybody has now got to get off the bus. why do they keep it ? but the problem then get off the bus. why do they keep it? but the problem then is it's partly geographical because you've got this massive traffic.

and as you know, dover is small. you know, there's no way you can expand, but there's no need for them to come off the bus. well, there is. if the french are going to check the passports and everybody has to go. so this this comes squarely down, if i may use the expression, minded french. no, it does absolutely . french. no, it does absolutely. does treating us any different note to somebody coming states , note to somebody coming states, they absolutely treat us in a way that we don't treat them . way that we don't treat them. and the example which is qed in my book is if you arrive at heathrow from any eu member state, you're allowed to go through the e—gates with your passport. you're treated exactly the same as a canadian. and i think i can't remember if the us can do it. certainly canadians can, australians can, they can go through the e—gates if we go to france now, they won't let us go through the e—gates it is. do you mean the electronic gates? yeah, yeah. the e—gates you know where you put your passport, you don't to sit at dover. don't have to sit down at dover. and no, no , but it's about

and also. no, no, but it's about the attitude of my. no, it's not. it is. it's not to do with brexit. it is. not. it is. it's not to do with brexit. it is . by the way, i brexit. it is. by the way, i think we're digressing because the specific delays at dover this week had nothing to do with that. this week had nothing to do with that . of course, doug, if you that. of course, doug, if you listen to the of dover . yes. listen to the ceo of dover. yes. he said it was due to a 15% unpretty acted uplift in coaches arriving non and bad weather. but he's not a brexiteer. he's actually a remainer. listen to some of the stuff he said in the file. i have heard what the people from the david ports authority, i suspect these are remainer. i don't want to i don't want to buy the idea that somebody is suddenly going to 90, somebody is suddenly going to go, got an let's go, oh, i've got an idea. let's get 60 school kids, put them on a coach and let's go on a whim. all of all of those are all of these all of those are better than the ceo who's come out and said he had a surge in demand much higher than he was expecting. i used scores and there was bad weather and the there's nothing you can do about it. you can't do anything about bad weather. but there's no question because they've bad weather. but there's no questa�*n because they've

bad weather. but there's no questa surge because they've bad weather. but there's no questa surge inzcause they've bad weather. but there's no questa surge in demandiey've bad weather. but there's no questa surge in demand ,y've bad weather. but there's no questa surge in demand , it/e bad weather. but there's no questa surge in demand , it is seen a surge in demand, it is ridiculous because they know how many coaches got many coaches they've got blocked, how many passengers they've boat . it's not like they've got boat. it's not like you can turn up and go. so you can just turn up and go. so these coaches, particularly with school , will have been booked school, will have been booked a long time ago. so the idea that all of a sudden there's a rush is ludicrous. but my argument is if this was briggs , it it would if this was briggs, it it would be a systemic failure at the port all the time. the last time we had this was july last year, the time before that was 2018, when we were still members of the eu and the time before that was 2016. and actually i can remember all through my childhood , dover always being childhood, dover always being back to dover is backed up for the reason that i said, you only need one glitch because there's no way. so it's not it's not brexit, it isn't organised nation, dover, people give longer to get through brexit checks. it's not brexit. why it's having nature. it's because we've we've had brexit which causes the checks. no because we

had to have passport. we're not members. we've never members of schengen. we had to have passports checks so it becomes out of the coach. you never had to get out of your there's no reason to get out of the coach now. it'sjust reason to get out of the coach now. it's just a matter of process. if the french desire to make the process extreme more difficult for the brits, which is either attached to is basically either attached to the united kingdom, which is why i with liz truss when she i agree with liz truss when she was whether their friend was asked whether their friend or tastes they may i or foe strange tastes they may i say suella braverman and liz truss. well, it's just because i agree with liz truss doesn't make me america attracted to her. the point is it's the her. but the point is it's the french response. it's not brexit. and anyway, in this instance, i would argue inverted balances, acknowledge in november when we have the new much delayed system which will mean everybody has to be fingerprint date. well, yes , fingerprint date. well, yes, right. let's just yeah. this fingerprinting thing. yeah what are you saying to the whole

biometrics and all the rest of it. because that is, you an after effects of the brexit vote isn't it. after effects of the brexit vote isntit.the after effects of the brexit vote isn't it. the whole biometrics . isn't it. the whole biometrics. well i'm i'm personally against it. i think it's over interference in you know border checks over it's overkill . it's checks over it's overkill. it's all it's like do you ever go to the states you have to fingerprint but it's designed for airports where you are walking through, you know, one by one, you haven't got this problem cars and traffic problem of cars and traffic backing up. and that's the problem dover. look, there's problem at dover. look, there's no problem of any nature presented to french authorities by brits going on holiday to france. none. so i was sending illegal boats across the channel to france or where a hiding illegal would be migrants to france. in our coaches . illegal would be migrants to france. in our coaches. this is the french response bonds to brexit. we know what the french are like. macron has made it clear repeatedly that he would frustrate any attempt for brexit to be seen as a success. but this is the french. it's got nothing to do with the brits on

our side of the border. when people know it isn't. because i fly all the time. if i go to a european country, some are more welcoming than others . the welcoming than others. the french particular are not french in particular are not welcoming. heathrow is very welcoming. heathrow is very welcoming to foreigners. that's an airport . i welcoming to foreigners. that's an airport. i have got a question for you about all of this, but i'm going to pose it to you in just a second. but you at your hearing, both sides of this , joe, is resolute that she this, joe, is resolute that she thinks it's brexit. and ben , thinks it's brexit. and ben, completely opposite. do you think there's like a middle ground here or are you with either side? your thoughts and i'll see into .

how hi there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight from gb news, britain's news channel. so we are keeping me company is.

britain's news channel. so we are keeping me company is . joe are keeping me company is. joe phillips, a political commentator there, and ben habib, the ceo of first property group and a member of reform party . how group and a member of reform party. how many group and a member of reform party . how many college trips party. how many college trips have you been on recently ? none, have you been on recently? none, because that is the question that many people are asking me in my inbox, because what they are saying is you're saying about getting off coaches. about getting off your coaches. my about getting off your coaches. my is flooded with coach my mouth is flooded with coach goers that they've always goers saying that they've always had to get off the couch. oh, well, i the last time i went, i went as a foot passenger last autumn. and so you get the little sort of shuttle bus from the to the ferry. and the terminal to the ferry. and we get i mean, that we had to get but i mean, that was a that was a like a bus that wasn't a coach. so for me, i've always had to close, but it's taking longer, longer having none saying that none of it. you're saying that you've able get you've always been able to get off your coaches and in your mind and nothing has changed. what morning? people what about this morning? people are me for £3 million. are asking me for £3 million. apparently 20, 20. it was proposed that we have like a double passport or something and the uk government reject today. do you know anything about i'm not aware of that proposal .

not aware of that proposal. yeah. because yeah, that is that's coming through the uk government hands down this kind of opportunity to double the passport booths . one of the passport booths. one of the things over yeah. apparently fair to £3 million double passport booths was rejected in 2020 by the uk and you see we've got ebbsfleet international and ashford international and they shut down ashford completely. well none of the eurostar trains are now at ebbsfleet either, so billions of pound of public money were poured into hundreds of millions. yeah, yeah, yeah. absolute one of the things that gets me is you hear like the talking and saying, oh, you've got all these surges and all the rest of it. brexit has not just crept up overnight and tapped people on the back of , the people on the back of, the shoulder gone high, that shoulder and gone high, that absolutely. absolutely. absolutely. yeah, absolutely. and part your as a ceo is and part of yourjob as a ceo is appropriate staffing level . so appropriate staffing level. so if you think and suggest and it's the facts and all the rest of it, whatever the processes have changed, my goodness

gracious me, you've had years now to plan for this. so what i would say is we're everything wandering around the wandering around blaming the government things. government for things. look inward own business inward into your own business and absolutely your levels and processes just go to process. that's why i'm saying him blaming it on a sudden surge in demand is ridiculous, but it makes sense because blaming on brexit, you know, i am blaming it on brexit for the same reason that we've had all that time knowing there would be more stringent control of brexit. so if, let's just say processes have changed. as i'm saying, this hasn't crept upon the ceo of this. he has known about this for years. so how is it the brexit process change as opposed to the guy response ? well, to the guy response? well, because nothing because doug bannister or his predecessor says it is not responsible for the checking of people's passports. no bit . if the checking of people's passports. no bit. if this was genuinely a brexit issue, it wouldn't be one incident priest . in 2023. in one instance in i think it was july 2022 when we

last had it, this would be something that would creep up all the time. well it would be a systemic , permanent problem, but systemic, permanent problem, but it isn't . we've had these kinds it isn't. we've had these kinds of problems at dover historically. we've problems historically. we've had problems at for all 2018, 20 at dover for all 2018, 20 because of strikes and things. but we will have it again next weekend, easter weekend and summer holidays. well, this is easter traffic . yeah, yes, easter traffic. yeah, yes, i know. but some we could talk. people can't go until a bit later in the week. we can talk. well, some people go on a staycation and got skegness in a caravan. some people like racing skegness. caravan. some people like racing skegness . it's going to be skegness. it's going to be fantastic. well i'm spending my easter anyway , i've got to say. easter anyway, i've got to say. this whole brexit conversation and brexit is going to be blamed for years, if not decades to come. so you better get used to these kind of conversation because people literally will blame brexit. everything, quite frankly, on brexit that they can get with anyway. sadiq khan get away with anyway. sadiq khan he wants the government to allow him to freeze private rents in the capital across the country, private rent has risen 4.7% into

the year. in february. it is the highest it's been in seven years. i'll come to you in a second cos i know you've got a property company. i'm interested in your thoughts, ben, but joe, do you support rent freezes as a principle ? i support controlled principle? i support controlled rent as a principle. but the real pity is that they actually often cause worse problems . now often cause worse problems. now we you know. i know we're not going to go down the brexit route again, but lots of european thought, you would have code. oh, yes, yeah, i would. i actually i think it's brexit's fault that he hasn't made a fruit salad that's probably should joking. i couldn't should have joking. i couldn't get the fruit . all that fruit get the fruit. all that fruit nonsense . i don't wash with me nonsense. i don't wash with me all like aldi tomatoes. i'll blame it on the toilet paper panic buying is of them . do you panic buying is of them. do you think this will happen seriously , i think you get like the media gets into housing. people will say to people, so what are you going do with all this going to do with all this bananas? they won't keep. and then had of

then we've all had enough of banana bread, if you ask me, in baking. but during christmas, so rent control. so spain just introduced it . lots of european introduced it. lots of european capitals have had rent controls. and in new york for sure there's been controlled rents. but a lot of that has been related to people's long term tenancy. so they're protected tenancies to suddenly come in and bring in a rent control. a sadiq khan. it's not the first time he suggests that it will probably make a lot landlords and ben will have a view on this, much more informed than mine is that a lot of landlords will probably say, well, actually it's not worth my renting. they're paying more in their mortgage costs. there's a huge shortage of rental properties. there's a absolute dearth of social housing, particularly in london , and particularly in london, and there needs to be something to be done to address that. but that means working with local authorities. it means with planning authorities , it means planning authorities, it means making sure that you have affordable homes rented properties. it means looking at

second home ownership and all of those things. but to come in with something like, you know, just rent controls, how would it operate forcing the market into a, you know , a complete a, you know, a complete meltdown. some people would say that what needs to happen is that what needs to happen is that the market is forced into some kind of significant change. i wouldn't call it a meltdown necessarily, but a significant change because. right now it's broken and there is a disconnect between london and the rest of the country. but there is. yeah, but hardware working grafter, but a hardware working grafter, they struggle go they really will struggle to go and decent property in and get a decent property in london. it, by the way. london. forget it, by the way. so something has got to change. yeah. so there are a couple of things that have gone wrong. one of the things we haven't discussed is obviously the printing the last printing of money over the last 12 is forced 12 years, which is forced property prices up as debts got cheaper and cheaper pulled cheaper and cheaper and pulled it out of the range of working and middle class people to be able to afford. that's the underlying issue here with property in london. but the other thing that's changed is

that planning restrictions have got more and more planning restrictions have increased and increased over the last 25 years. it used to be much easier to get planning permission to build something than it is now . build something than it is now. and with that comes friction in the market less new supply. and with less new supply, you have higher prices and higher rents . higher prices and higher rents. and what you don't do in order to fix a broken market is to regulate it again . we had regulate it again. we had regulated tenancies in this country and they were abolished. i think . i think when i think i think. i think when i think maggie abolished them and then they were allowed to die out as people who were protected under the regulated tenancies died, die died. an experience die, died. and the an experience we had was, as you said, joe, less properties developed because it's not it's not it's not lucrative for a developer to build something when he knows he can't make money out of it. so paradoxically , it damages the paradoxically, it damages the market forces up prices. what we needis market forces up prices. what we need is reduced planning constraints, greater availability of sites, more

funding for developers, not for buyers , because that's just buyers, because that's just fuels demand . and we need a fuels demand. and we need a relaxation of regulations across the board. reduce use taxes. sadiq khan hasn't got a clue, by the way. he put up council taxes last year, 8% this year, 9. he's doing more damage to the affordability of london homes than any property developers study . khan should be than any property developers study. khan should be ashamed of himself . his study. khan should be ashamed of himself. his policies virtually unquestionable across the board, damaging to londoners. well, if his watching city keystone , it his watching city keystone, it tells you what things you told me when things got uncomfortable. so what can i say right , uncomfortable. so what can i say right, sadiq, if you want to record. so what ben habib makes of you, give me all your thoughts on those topics. also, are you a car driver ? guess what are you a car driver? guess what they are making it harder. i'm obsessed with this. i think there is a war on cars anyway. they're going to get rid of traditional pay and display metres. do you think that is the right move? see you .

in two. hi there. i'm michelle chu. we're keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside joe phillips, the political commentator. i've been happy to see a first property group a member of the reform group and a member of the reform party, shaun says yes, yes, yes to the rent cap that is something that you've been looking forward to. but karen says, i'm a landlord and i rent out two properties. the rent has stayed the same for six years. we are good landlords, says karen . there is quite a surge of karen. there is quite a surge of people that dislike landlords at the moment, don't they? karen says. use our properties for says. we use our properties for our pent shins, eh, jeff ? you've our pent shins, eh, jeff? you've got a hold of me as well. you did not like the comment that i just made about toilet rod . just made about toilet rod. toilet roll holders jr and covid you're saying i'm not giving kind of credence to people that

might have been stocking up on toilet roll because they had a medical condition except except , he says, we're not all crazies . yes, but jeff, this is about i could never understand if you were one of said toilet roll buyers. covid didn't even cause diarrhoea . i don't mean to be i diarrhoea. i don't mean to be i don't mean to be graphic this time of the night. that wasn't a well celebrated side effect of the thing. so i really didn't get really didn't want to get it. i really didn't want to apologise . great. you see, apologise. great. you see, tonight. anyway, most west of the i see painting blame the uk. i see you painting blame me disappear up and down the me to disappear up and down the country with new mobile phone apps them. apparently apps replacing them. apparently people are saying it's appalling . i've got to say, i do think this is a little bit of a war on cars. the next step, if you ask me in word, ben habib me in a long word, ben habib well, i mean i personally, i'm delighted you can book your delighted that you can book your parking your phone. it's much parking on your phone. it's much easier , it's quicker. it used to easier, it's quicker. it used to be a real pain in the neck when you turned up to park a car and you turned up to park a car and you didn't have requisite you didn't have the requisite number £1 coins and you number of 50 or £1 coins and you had local shopper know

had to beg a local shopper know to switch £5 into, you know, five £1 coins or whatever it was . and the view i take, if i'm taking a kind of politically, you know, a broader not thinking a bit broader political position rather than my own, my own convenience is that if you've got a car, you probably have a mobile phone. and if you've got a mobile phone, you've probably got an app. the ability to download an app. and so i think i think it's a reasonable step forward . it's not forward. it's not disenfranchising any particular part of society by having automated forms of payment and i think it does make it easier. it means you can park your car, go to whatever it is you have to do, and if your car runs out, you get a notification and you can it up. i think it's know can top it up. i think it's know i think it's a still apparently a poll said that more than half of year olds do not like of over 65 year olds do not like using parking apps. what using these parking apps. what do sound like? well i don't do you sound like? well i don't i don't this like i just i don't this like them. i just wish was some uniformity wish there was some uniformity because i'm fed up with having umpteen blooming apps on my

phone , you know, in the same phone, you know, in the same city, which is utterly ridiculous . and i think that's ridiculous. and i think that's what people don't like people it's not so much about using. they're frightened of downloading an app that, you know, we're told all the time about scammers things like about scammers and things like that. asking put that. and it's asking you to put your bank in. and yeah, your bank details in. and yeah, so i can understand misgivings. i where authorities do it i think where authorities do it and wouldn't it be sensible if all local authorities got all the local authorities got together a bulk buy and together and did a bulk buy and actually chose to use the same parking app or whatever it is ? parking app or whatever it is? but i do think there ought to be a little bit like the self—service checkouts in supermarkets, which i refuse to use just actually provide why they refuse to use a self—checkout , because it's self—checkout, because it's putting people out of work. and i think it is only self—checkouts available. what do you do then? put your food down. you may attack economy more productive. you know, we keep our keep talking about our productivity a country going productivity as a country going down. need self—checkouts. productivity as a country going downeed need self—checkouts. productivity as a country going dow need things self—checkouts. productivity as a country going dow need things to .f—checkouts. productivity as a country going dow need things to make ckouts. productivity as a country going dow need things to make people you need things to make people standing they don't standing around who they don't work either. the number of times

that every use always that over every use always something just bleating at me and you know in the wrong bagging area or something. but i just think it would be quite good to have an alternative and say to people, you know, there is a car park where you can use the old fashioned system , even the old fashioned system, even if tricia says , not only is if it's tricia says, not only is all this a war on cars, it's discrimination to the elderly . discrimination to the elderly. she says , i don't want to carry she says, i don't want to carry my phone everywhere i go off. not one of those people either. as a mobile phone numbers patents, says mobile phone and leaves over your mobile phone. i used to live in the middle of the clues in the name mobile phone.i the clues in the name mobile phone. i i've got to say as well on the brexit thing no division with you lots you're quite binary in your opinion many of you saying it is not brexit to blame. pack it in, blaming it for everything. cheers to that. that's what i say . look at the that's what i say. look at the time i've won. it flies when you're having fun, doesn't it? and that is all i've got time. for clive he's popped in for what? clive he's popped in at end. i'm 68 and i love

at the end. i'm 68 and i love parking apps. don't put us all in brush as old as he in the same brush as old as he says. anyway, looks making of says. anyway, it looks making of all those is nigel farage. good hello again, i'm stephen keates and this is your latest met office forecast. and after a lovely day through monday , many lovely day through monday, many places will see a dry and fairly clear night with a widespread frost developing underneath those that is away those clear skies that is away from far northwest where from the far northwest where this weather system will move, bringing thicker and some bits and of light and and pieces of light then and drizzle far west of drizzle to the far west of northern ireland. westernmost parts here not parts of scotland here not turning with bit more turning to cold with a bit more breeze cloud cover . so breeze and the cloud cover. so temperatures or five temperatures four or five degrees, but elsewhere in the clearing skies , temperatures clearing skies, temperatures falling away quite after falling away quite sharply after sunset. there'll be sunset. and there'll be a widespread force take us into widespread force to take us into tuesday morning . so it tuesday morning. so i said it would be a cold start. i'll describe a few calls first thing tuesday morning those tuesday morning with those temperatures quite temperatures going up quite smartly underneath the strong april much april sunshine for much of england and wales, will england and wales, it will be another sunny another predominantly sunny day , across , although further west across parts and wales , well parts of england and wales, well as southern eastern as the southern eastern scotland, blue be scotland, those blue skies be replaced by some hazy conditions, high level

conditions, some high level clouds for clouds pulling in, cloudy for northern far west of northern on the far west of scotland. rainfall amounts scotland. but rainfall amounts quite small for most of us. it will a relatively warm day will be a relatively warm day after that chilly start for tuesday evening. the rain will turn a bit more heavy, a bit more persistent across parts of northern ireland and western scotland. as the next atlantic system pushes vote of system pushes in and a vote of cloud to extend cloud will tend to extend further and across further south and east across the of uk . so on the rest of the uk. so on balance, it's not going be as balance, it's not going to be as cold take as into wednesday cold to take as into wednesday morning as it will. so the first couple of warnings this week, although and although the far south—east and parts anglia may just parts of east anglia may just see odd of frost to see the odd pocket of frost to take us into wednesday morning. otherwise, wednesday, the otherwise, wednesday, for the most day. and most part, is a cloudy day. and this of rain will be slowly this area of rain will be slowly working way from northwest working its way from northwest to the it's going to southeast. the day it's going to southeast. the day it's going to because it's to be painful, open because it's going slow. good going to be slow. and the good part southern and eastern part of southern and eastern england probably stay in dry throughout daylight hours, a bit more in midweek with more settled in midweek with these way these systems touching their way across the country. of across the country. a bit of uncertainty quickly uncertainty as to how quickly this the east this clears away from the east thursday. by good friday, thursday. but by good friday, pressure to build back pressure starts to build back in. so hopefully a fine end to

the week after a couple of fairly wet more settled days, dry friday and dry conditions by friday and temperatures in low teens . there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

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