logical sex will that settle the argument? the debate wants ? and argument? the debate wants? and for all and speaking of it, with which, can you actually change your biological sex and become from one to the other? your thoughts, please. and keir starmer. he has been in his post for three years. do you reckon he's going to be our next prime minister? i've got all of that and more, including, by the way , one of the bosses of the biggest teachers union who says that the strikes are not just about pay. i mean, who could afford me? but anyway, it's about apparently obe the state of the brutal, racist state that is the uk . you what? goodness is the uk. you what? goodness me, i'll have all of that and more. but before i get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headunes. speed with tonight's latest headlines. good speed with tonight's latest headlines . good evening to you. headlines. good evening to you. i'm headlines. good evening to you. rm arron— headlines. good evening to you. i'm arron armstrong— headlines. good evening to you. i'm arron armstrong in- : good evening to you. i'm arron armstrong in the gb newsroom am. the prime minister has defended— newsroom am. the prime minister has defended plans— newsroom am. the prime minister has defended plans to house asylum— has defended plans to house asylum seekers— has defended plans to house asylum seekers on a barge in dorset,— asylum seekers on a barge in dorset, claiming— asylum seekers on a barge in dorset, claiming it will save

the— dorset, claiming it will save the taxpayer— dorset, claiming it will save the taxpayer millions of pounds every— the taxpayer millions of pounds every year. — the taxpayer millions of pounds every year. we— the taxpayer millions of pounds every year. the government has confirmed— every year. the government has confirmed e— every year. the government has confirmed a deal— every year. the government has confirmed a deal has been signed despite— confirmed a deal has been signed despite the— confirmed a deal has been signed despite the threat— confirmed a deal has been signed despite the threat of a legal eheuenge— despite the threat of a legal challenge from _ despite the threat of a legal challenge from the local deeme— challenge from the local district-and- challenge from the local district and tory challenge from the local- district-and tory mps. district council and tory mps. ne— district council and tory mps. the bibby— district council and tory mps. the bibby stockholm, which can eeeemmeeeee— the bibby stockholm, which can accommodate around 500 people, will provide— accommodate around 500 people, will provide basic— accommodate around 500 people, will provide basic but functional— will provide basic but functional facilities and it wm— functional facilities and it will have— functional facilities and it will have around the clock security— will have around the clock eeeurrry re— will have around the clock security in an— will have around the clock security in an effort to minimise— security in an effort to minimise disruption to the local community.— minimise disruption to the local community. rishi_ minimise disruption to the local community. rishi sunak says the government— community. rishi sunak says the government is— community. rishi sunak says the government is taking a fair approach— government is taking a fair approach to— government is taking a fair approach to tackling illegal migration. — approach to tackling illegal migration. we're spending as a country— migration. we're spending as a country ee— migration. we're spending as a country £6 million a day housing the tttegtt— country £6 million a day housing the illegal asylum _ country £6 million a day housing the illegal asylum seekers in in tetete— the illegal asylum seekers in in tetete thet— the illegal asylum seekers in in hotels that can't— the illegal asylum seekers in in hotels that can't be right. tre— hotels that can't be right. i've committed _ hotels that can't be right. i've committed to- hotels that can't be right. i've committed to reduce that number. moving asylum seekers out of hotels and that means we need to find alternative sites and including barges like the one we've brought brought forward today that's going to save the taxpayer money, reduce pressure on hotels. 21 people have teen— pressure on hotels. 21 people have been convicted- pressure on hotels. 21 people have been convicted of- ”cl cit" 21 people have been convicted of sexual etterteee— have been convicted of sexual offences against— have been convicted of sexual offences against seven children in offences against seven children tr thettt— offences against seven children in walsall who— offences against seven children in walsall who were younger than 12 in walsall who were younger than tz wher— in walsall who were younger than tz when they— in walsall who were younger than 12 when they were— in walsall who were younger than 12 when they were abused. when mttttrte— 12 when they were abused. when midlands police— 12 when they were abused. when

midlands police says the etterteee— midlands police says the offences were— midlands police says the offences were committed over a tertet— offences were committed over a tertet et— offences were committed over a period of almost— offences were committed over a period of almost ten years, three— period of almost ten years, three trials— period of almost ten years, three trials have been held over the teet— three trials have been held over the test ts— three trials have been held over the past 15 months, with reperttrte— the past 15 months, with reporting restrictions in place trttt— reporting restrictions in place trttt tre— reporting restrictions in place until the conclusion of those trttte. — until the conclusion of those trttte. rte— until the conclusion of those trials. the offenders will be sentenced— trials. the offenders will be sentenced next— trials. the offenders will be sentenced next month . a man has sentenced next month. a man has ttmtttet— sentenced next month. a man has admitted killing— sentenced next month. a man has admitted killing his wife and center— admitted killing his wife and ettttrert tr— admitted killing his wife and children in northamptonshire. sett— children in northamptonshire. saj'idjavid_ children in northamptonshire. sajid javid ella— children in northamptonshire. sajid javid ella whelan , excuse sajid javid ella whelan, excuse tee— sajid javid ella whelan, excuse me, has pleaded— sajid javid ella whelan, excuse me, has pleaded guilty to the muttere— me, has pleaded guilty to the meters et— me, has pleaded guilty to the murders of anju_ me, has pleaded guilty to the murders of anju ashok . as well murders of anju ashok. as well as murders of anju ashok. as well at ety— murders of anju ashok. as well at st year— murders of anju ashok. as well as six year old— murders of anju ashok. as well as six year old jeeva sanju and his as six year old jeeva sanju and re eteter— as six year old jeeva sanju and his sister janvi,_ as six year old jeeva sanju and his sister janvi, who was four. t hey— his sister janvi, who was four. they were— his sister janvi, who was four. they were found— his sister janvi, who was four. they were found with serious try-tree— they were found with serious trttrtee et— they were found with serious try-tree at t— they were found with serious injuries at a house in kettering teet— injuries at a house in kettering last december.— injuries at a house in kettering last december. despite efforts to eave— last december. despite efforts to there,— last december. despite efforts to save them, ms.— last december. despite efforts to save them, ms. ashok died at the teete— to save them, ms. ashok died at the tet— to save them, ms. ashok died at the scene and their— to save them, ms. ashok died at the scene and their children ttet— the scene and their children ttet tater— the scene and their children died later in— the scene and their children died later in hospital . all died later in hospital. all ttettt— died later in hospital. all nicola sturgeon's husband, peter tttrrett— nicola sturgeon's husband, peter tttrrett tee— nicola sturgeon's husband, peter murrell, has been— nicola sturgeon's husband, peter murrell, has been arrested in eerreeter— murrell, has been arrested in connection with— murrell, has been arrested in connection with an investigation trte— connection with an investigation trte tre— connection with an investigation trte tte stre— connection with an investigation into the snp's finances. teteettte — into the snp's finances. detective force have been eetrettrt— detective force have been searching the _ detective force have been searching the party's headquarters, collecting

ettteree— headquarters, collecting evidence and- headquarters, collecting evidence and a cordon has been set tr— evidence and a cordon has been eet tr ettette— evidence and a cordon has been set up outside the— evidence and a cordon has been set up outside the couple's terse— set up outside the couple's house. police— set up outside the couple's house. police scotland has been trteettttttrt— house. police scotland has been investigating the— house. police scotland has been investigating the spending of tretrt— investigating the spending of around £600,000, set aside for tte— around £600,000, set aside for the independence _ around £600,000, set aside for the independence campaign. mr. tttrrett— the independence campaign. mr. murrell resigned— the independence campaign. mr. murrell resigned as the party's ettet— murrell resigned as the party's ettet eee— murrell resigned as the party's chief exec last— murrell resigned as the party's chief exec last month. scotland's— chief exec last month. scotland's first minister, humza versat— scotland's first minister, humza vetett eryt— scotland's first minister, humza yousaf says the— scotland's first minister, humza yousaf says the snp is co—operating- yousaf says the snp is co—operating with police. will reve— co—operating with police. will have questions. _ co—operating with police. will have questions. "t; cc have questions. they will have. there will be some concerns. our party membership of course will have concerns too. so what i can commit to is party leaders. have concerns too. so what i can commit to is party leaders . we commit to is party leaders. we want to be absolutely transparent . that's why i asked transparent. that's why i asked nec to agree to a review around governance and transparency and also to make sure it has some external input, which i think is really, really important to give confidence not just to our party members but anybody in the members but to anybody in the pubuc members but to anybody in the public that might have some concerns to the chairman of the blood compensation concerns to the chairman of the blovictims compensation concerns to the chairman of the blovictims should compensation concerns to the chairman of the blovictims should be �*npensation concerns to the chairman of the blovictims should be extended,1 for victims should be extended, as family members remain as some family members remain unrecognised. thousands as some family members remain unrecognised . thousands of unrecognised. thousands of rttterte— unrecognised. thousands of patients were— c. "fg : thousands of patients were infected with hiv and patients were infected with hiv ert terttttte— patients were infected with hiv and hepatitis c— patients were infected with hiv and hepatitis c through contaminated products in the retes—

contaminated products in the tree ert— contaminated products in the 19705 and 80— contaminated products in the 1970s and 80 seconds. an independent— 1970s and 80 seconds. an independent inquiry set out its eeeert— independent inquiry set out its second interim— independent inquiry set out its second interim report last year. it recommended— second interim report last year. it recommended victims of the contaminated— it recommended victims of the contaminated blood scandal receive interim— contaminated blood scandal receive interim compensation of trooeoo. — receive interim compensation of trooeoo. tte— receive interim compensation of £100,000. the inquiry chairman, sir £100,000. the inquiry chairman, str eter— £100,000. the inquiry chairman, sir brian langstaff_ £100,000. the inquiry chairman, sir brian langstaff , has sir brian langstaff, has described— sir brian langstaff, has described it— sir brian langstaff, has described it as the biggest trettrrert— described it as the biggest treatment disaster in the ttetery— treatment disaster in the ttetery et— treatment disaster in the history of the— treatment disaster in the history of the nhs. my conclusion— history of the nhs. my conclusion is- history of the nhs. my conclusion is that wrongs were tere— conclusion is that wrongs were tere tt— conclusion is that wrongs were done at individual, conclusion is that wrongs were done at individual , collective done at individual, collective ert— done at individual, collective trt eyeterrte— done at individual, collective and systemic levels. : stir; and systemic levels. today there is and systemic levels. today there t rr— and systemic levels. today there is an important milestone in the journey to establish what happened and why. to learn the lessons of the past and to make amends as much as we can. as a nation. well, to victims of the scandal have said the report proves there were questions to answer. we all welcome, sir trttr-e— answer. we all welcome, sir brian's interim— we all welcome, sir brian's interim report. i think it brian's interim report. i think tt eetere— brian's interim report. i think it covers everything that all of the it covers everything that all of tte greete— it covers everything that all of the groups have— it covers everything that all of the groups have been saying over the groups have been saying over tte yetre— the groups have been saying over tte ye art— the groups have been saying over the years. and it's— the groups have been saying over the years. and it's you know, tte— the years. and it's you know, tt-e teet— the years. and it's you know, tt-e teet te— the years. and it's you know, it's good to see— the years. and it's you know, it's good to see that we are now tetrt— it's good to see that we are now being believed— it's good to see that we are now being believed and— it's good to see that we are now being believed and we're not tttttrt—

being believed and we're not tttttrt err— being believed and we're not hitting our head— being believed and we're not hitting our head up against a trek— hitting our head up against a trtet wett— hitting our head up against a brick wall as— hitting our head up against a brick wall as we— hitting our head up against a brick wall as we have done in tte— brick wall as we have done in tte rret— brick wall as we have done in tte rtet. trey— brick wall as we have done in the past. they were wronged , we the past. they were wronged, we trertet— the past. they were wronged, we were wronged or— the past. they were wronged, we were wronged or the families trertet. — were wronged or the families weewrertet. — were wronged or the families were wronged. ' were wronged or the families were wronged. and that has to be put right. and the financial packages set down by sir brian today goes in some way to right that wrong. raids have been street— that wrong. raids have been staged across— that wrong. raids have been staged across the— g raids have been staged across the uk as part of an international— staged across the uk as part of an international cyber security ettrt— an international cyber security ettrt. tte— an international cyber security sting. the national crime agency eettrrttee— sting. the national crime agency eettrrttee tte— sting. the national crime agency estimates the personal data of tere— estimates the personal data of tere et— estimates the personal data of tens of thousands— estimates the personal data of tens of thousands of britons was eteter— tens of thousands of britons was eteter ty— tens of thousands of britons was stolen by-genesis- stolen by website genesis wetter— stolen by website genesis market, which— stolen by website genesis market, which has now been taken ettttre. — market, which has now been taken ettttre. eo— market, which has now been taken offline. 80 million— market, which has now been taken offline. 80 million sets of credentials— offline. 80 million sets of credentials had been illegally tetwtret— credentials had been illegally acquired from _ credentials had been illegally acquired from sites including erttre— acquired from sites including online banking,— acquired from sites including online banking, shopping and eeettt— online banking, shopping and social media,— online banking, shopping and social media, and were being sett— social media, and were being eett ter— social media, and were being eett ter te— social media, and were being sold for as little— social media, and were being sold for as little as £0.56. ttttttt— sold for as little as £0.56. digital fingerprints from wette— digital fingerprints from victims devices were also on ere— victims devices were also on etter .— victims devices were also on etter . 2t— victims devices were also on offer . 24 suspected users of the offer. 24 suspected users of the ete— offer. 24 suspected users of the ette reve— offer. 24 suspected users of the site have been— offer. 24 suspected users of the site have been arrested in the uk site have been arrested in the we ert— site have been arrested in the uk and donald— site have been arrested in the uk and donald trump is calling for uk and donald trump is calling ter tte— uk and donald trump is calling for the department of justice ert— for the department of justice ert tte— for the department of justice ert tte ttt — for the department of justice and the fbi to— for the department of justice and the fbi to be defunded, etttrrtrt— and the fbi to be defunded, claiming law— and the fbi to be defunded, claiming law enforcement in the us claiming law enforcement in the us tte— claiming law enforcement in the us tte teet— claiming law enforcement in the us has been weaponized. the terrrer— us has been weaponized. the former president— us has been weaponized. the former president has pleaded not twtty— former president has pleaded not twtty te— former president has pleaded not twtty te et— former president has pleaded not guilty to 34 criminal charges of

tttettytrt— guilty to 34 criminal charges of falsifying business records as wett— falsifying business records as wet te— falsifying business records as well as covering— falsifying business records as well as covering up hush money rtyrrerte— well as covering up hush money rtyrrerte during— well as covering up hush money payments during his 2016 eteetter— payments during his 2016 election campaign . in . payments during his 2016 election campaign. in . he's election campaign. in. he's trreeert— election campaign. in. he's trreeert ert— election campaign. in. he's innocent and that he's a victim of innocent and that he's a victim et eteetter— innocent and that he's a victim of election interference as this is of election interference as this te et— of election interference as this te er wewe— of election interference as this is gb news now— of election interference as this is gb news now it's over to . michelle thanks for michelle- thanks for that , tttetette— thanks for that , aaron. and gold thanks for that, aaron. and gold rrettt— thanks for that, aaron. and gold rrettt te— thanks for that, aaron. and gold medal to you. he suppressed his cough, so he did all the way through that. i'm very, very impressed with him. anyway, i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company through till 7:00 company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, john mcternan is a political strategist and former adviser to tony blair and dewbs& co albie was favourite or they love you, john oh, good stuff for them tonight. i've got some good opinions, popular opinions, right ? so you opinions, popular opinions, right? so you might. what it means is you might want to take

your blood pressure tablets. now everybody see this is a brutally racist country. well, yeah, get wet— racist country. well, yeah, get ttttltte— racist country. well, yeah, get that-the record. - racist country. well, yeah, get that-the record. that's. racist country. well, yeah, get. that-the record. that's what that on the record. that's what the boss are one of the bosses of the largest teaching union reckons . he says the uk of the largest teaching union reckons. he says the uk is a racist state. i mean, goodness me, anywhere alongside john we've got david katz and the leader of the heritage party . leader of the heritage party. welcome. i've not seen you for a while. welcome thank you. you know the drill as well. don't you? on dewbs& co. it's not just about us three. it's very much about us three. it's very much about you home as well. about you at home as well. what's your mind get what's on your mind tonight? get in touch me all the usual in touch with me all the usual ways . email views at ways. email me gb views at gbnews.uk. or you can tweet me if that's your thing at gb news or dubois . right. or at michelle dubois. right. shall we get into our top story? of course there is a row brewing, i have to say there always is because i don't understand what the end point of this will be, because it's such a divisive topic. now what am i on about? of course i'm all about the people that are crossing the channel because

plans are afoot now to house 500 of these channel crossers in a barge on the dorset coast . but barge on the dorset coast. but it's caused uproar also. it has with the local community and the local mp there saying that they're going to push back through any legal route possible , all in order to stop this , as , all in order to stop this, as it's been called, cruel and inhumane and all the rest of it. david katz and where do you stand? i don't think it's cruel or inhumane at all. i mean, the people or inhumane at all. i mean, the reerte wre— or inhumane at all. i mean, the reerte wte wtt— or inhumane at all. i mean, the people who will be— " i mean, the people who will be housed there, if people who will be housed there, tt trey— people who will be housed there, tt trey tetwttty— people who will be housed there, if they actually ever go there, wtt— if they actually ever go there, wttt te — if they actually ever go there, will be getting— if they actually ever go there, will be getting free accommodation, free food, free tetttt— accommodation, free food, free health -welfare _ accommodation, free food, free health welfare payments as health care, welfare payments as wet— health care, welfare payments as wet teet— health care, welfare payments as wet, twet tte— health care, welfare payments as well, just like lthey_ health care, welfare payments as well, just like they were well, just like if they were ettytrt — well, just like if they were ettytrt lt— well, just like if they were staying-a four- well, just like if they were staying a four star hotel or staying in a four star hotel or trey-we — staying in a four star hotel or trey-we -rwt— staying in a four star hotel or trey-we -rwtlt- staying in a four star hotel or they've put a home which they've been put in a home which eertt— they've been put in a home which eewttltrew— they've been put in a home which eewttltrew te— they've been put in a home which could,-know, go to- they've been put in a home which could, know, go to someone could, you know, go to someone etee— could, you know, go to someone etee er— could, you know, go to someone etee er-eewret— could, you know, go to someone else on council house list. else on the council house list. tut— else on the council house list. tut tereetty— else on the council house list. but honestly, i— else on the council house list. but honestly, i don't this but honestly, i don't think this is but honestly, i don't think this te-te— but honestly, i don't think this te-te rrrer- but honestly, i don't think this is-do much at- but honestly, i don't think this is-do much at all- but honestly, i don't think this is do much at all to is going to do much at all to sewe— is going to do much at all to eewe tte— is going to do much at all to solve the bigger— is going to do much at all to solve the bigger problem because trey-re— solve the bigger problem because trey-re-ttewt— solve the bigger problem because they're-about this- solve the bigger problem because they're about this barge they're talking about this barge off they're talking about this barge ett tte— they're talking about this barge off the dorset— they're talking about this barge off the dorset coast, which can terse— off the dorset coast, which can tewee soo— off the dorset coast, which can house 500 migrants. but there's 50,000. — house 500 migrants. but there's 50,000. there's— house 500 migrants. but there's 50,000. there's 50,000 in hotels trewrt— 50,000. there's 50,000 in hotels trewrt tte— 50,000. there's 50,000 in hotels around the country. _ 50,000. there's 50,000 in hotels around the country. so that's erty—

around the country. so that's erty we— around the country. so that's erty we et— around the country. so that's only 1% of the— around the country. so that's only 1% of the people that are ewrrertty— only 1% of the people that are ewrrertty tr— only 1% of the people that are currently in hotels. so you put too— currently in hotels. so you put too were— currently in hotels. so you put 500 there, 500— currently in hotels. so you put 500 there, 500 are going to come tte— 500 there, 500 are going to come across the channel— 500 there, 500 are going to come across the channel in the next rew— across the channel in the next tew ttye— across the channel in the next tew ttye. se— across the channel in the next few days. so it's— across the channel in the next few days. so it's only a very, very— few days. so it's only a very, very try— few days. so it's only a very, very tiny scratch _ few days. so it's only a very, very tiny scratch on the surface. and - very tiny scratch on the surface. and i- very tiny scratch on the surface. and i think it's a ttrrrrtet— surface. and i think it's a gimmick before the local eteettere— gimmick before the local elections and— gimmick before the local elections and they seem to be twtte— elections and they seem to be twtte teet— elections and they seem to be twtte teet tt— elections and they seem to be quite good at doing these kind of quite good at doing these kind et tttrte. — quite good at doing these kind of things. what— quite good at doing these kind of things. what are- quite good at doing these kind of things. �*ft�*fe. at; tsz of things. what are you on about, john? you're saying you think as well? think it's a gimmick as well? look, i think it's a gimmick. i tttrt— look, i think it's a gimmick. i think exactly— look, i think it's a gimmick. i think exactly as— look, i think it's a gimmick. i think exactly as david said, we— think exactly as david said, tttelrtrt— think exactly as david said, this-part-local- this is part of the local eteetter— this is part of the local election campaign. this is not a tewerrrrert— election campaign. this is not a government strategy. 500 people election campaign. this is not a gover|in ent strategy. 500 people election campaign. this is not a gover|in 2tt strategy. 500 people election campaign. this is not a gover|in 2 or;trategy. 500 people election campaign. this is not a gover|in 2 or 3'ategy. 500 people election campaign. this is not a gover|in 2 or 3 days, 500 people election campaign. this is not a gover|in 2 or 3 days, probablyple come in 2 or 3 days, probably ttree— come in 2 or 3 days, probably ttree ttye— come in 2 or 3 days, probably ttree ttye tt— come in 2 or 3 days, probably three days at the— come in 2 or 3 days, probably three days at the moment is three days at the moment and is tteetwtety— three days at the moment and is absolutely-there's- absolutely right. there's toeooo— absolutely right. there's 100,000 -the l absolutely right. there'si 100,000 -the in absolutely right. there's- 100,000 -the in the absolutely right. there's - 100,000 -the in the in 100,000 people in the in the in the 100,000 people in the in the in tte wetttrt— 100,000 people in the in the in the waiting list— 100,000 people in the in the in the waiting list for— 100,000 people in the in the in the waiting list for their their trrttetttere— the waiting list for their their applications to— the waiting list for their their applications to be considered. why— applications to be considered. wry ret— applications to be considered. wry ret te— applications to be considered. why not do them— applications to be considered. why not do them quickly? why not rete— why not do them quickly? why not rate tt— why not do them quickly? why not rate at tttt— why not do them quickly? why not have all that time— why not do them quickly? why not have all that time you're ererttrt— have all that time you're ererttrt er— have all that time you're spending on finding a barge, commissioning— spending on finding a barge, commissioning a barge, arguing wttt— commissioning a barge, arguing wttt teet— commissioning a barge, arguing with local mps,_ commissioning a barge, arguing with local mps, local people. vet— with local mps, local people. vet etewtt— with local mps, local people. you should put— with local mps, local people. you should put the barge in rertttrt— you should put the barge in rertttrt er— you should put the barge in portland or wherever, spend the ttrre— portland or wherever, spend the ttrre tetttrt— portland or wherever, spend the time getting civil— portland or wherever, spend the time getting civil servants to do time getting civil servants to te rree— time getting civil servants to do more than— time getting civil servants to do more than four cases a week , do more than four cases a week, tetr— do more than four cases a week, four cases a week— do more than four cases a week, four cases a week ._ do more than four cases a week, four cases a week . you have to four cases a week. you have to get— four cases a week. you have to get ttrewtt— four cases a week. you have to get through this— four cases a week. you have to get through this in— four cases a week. you have to get through this in some way and as yet— get through this in some way and as yet trew— get through this in some way and as yet trew te— get through this in some way and as you know, as your viewers

trew— as you know, as your viewers trew r..— as you know, as your viewers trew t-rr tr— as you know, as your viewers know, i'm in favour of an trrreety— know, i'm in favour of an trrreety ter— know, i'm in favour of an amnesty for the 100,000in the backlogr — amnesty for the 100,000in the ttettet, teet— amnesty for the 100,000in the ttettet, twet te— amnesty for the 100,000in the backlog, just to clear it and start— backlog, just to clear it and start trerr — backlog, just to clear it and start from scratch, because eerretttrt-e— start from scratch, because something's something's got something's got something's got to something's got something's got te—tte— something's got something's got to_the moment,- something's got something's got to the moment, it's to give. and at the moment, it's err-tte— to give. and at the moment, it's err-tte teett— our system, it's local communities, border communities, it's the border eeewrtty— communities, it's the border eeewrtty-tte- communities, it's the border- security, -the government security, nothing the government is security, nothing the government te—tttr— security, nothing the government te—tttr t- security, nothing the government is_than a headlinei is doing is more than a headline ert— is doing is more than a headline ert-ery— is doing is more than a headline and-onlyldistract- and it's only to distract tttertter— and it's only to distract attention from the real crisis. art— attention from the real crisis. art-tet— attention from the real crisis. art-tetltett- attention from the real crisis. and got deal with attention from the real crisis.- and - got i deal with the and they've got to deal with the rert— and they've got to deal with the rett- t-rr — and they've got to deal with the real- i'm fascinated- and they've got to deal with the real-i'm fascinated thatl real crisis. i'm fascinated that your have this your solution is let's have this amnesty . all you guys in the amnesty. all you guys in the queue, right you go. no queue, right in you go. no checks balances. can only checks and balances. i can only assume little strategy assume with your little strategy and why wouldn't you assume with your little strategy an1the why wouldn't you assume with your little strategy an1the opposite why wouldn't you assume with your little strategy an1the opposite way? ouldn't you assume with your little strategy an1the opposite way? and n't you assume with your little strategy an1the opposite way? and you ou go the opposite way? and you could say, right, okay , recently could say, right, okay, recently the primary nation in terms of the primary nation in terms of the volume of people there coming from albania. well, albania is a safe place. i'll tell you what, i'll do a mass rejection of you lot. that's a big chunk out of my backlog. gone. why won't you do it that way instead? it's a small proportion the total, 100,000 proportion of the total, 100,000 are albania. i'm are actually from albania. i'm there's agreement there's an agreement with ttttrtt— there's an agreement with ttttrtt te. — there's an agreement with albania to. i'm— there's an agreement with albania to. i'm to see albania to. i'm happy to see ttttrttre— albania to. i'm happy to see albanians is— albania to. i'm happy to see albanians is dealt with quickly utter— albanians is dealt with quickly wrter tte— albanians is dealt with quickly under the agreement a lot of the wearer— under the agreement a lot of the ttttrttr tte— under the agreement a lot of the albanian the handful i suppose tttt— albanian the handful i suppose tttt reve— albanian the handful i suppose that have been— albanian the handful i suppose that have been processed so far of that have been processed so far et tterr— that have been processed so far et tterr tttt— that have been processed so far of them that have— that have been processed so far of them that have been rreeeeeet—

of them that have been processed, a _ of them that have been processed, a large number of the tem— processed, a large number of the rtttt te— processed, a large number of the rert te etty. — processed, a large number of the right to stay. there's all kinds of right to stay. there's all kinds et testes— right to stay. there's all kinds of issues around. _ right to stay. there's all kinds of issues around. but look, the tttrt— of issues around. but look, the tttrtltte— of issues around. but look, the thing the government have let thing is the government have let this thing is the government have let tr 9.0..— thing is the government have let ttte g... ret— thing is the government have let this grow, not just— thing is the government have let this grow, not just the backlog . rew— this grow, not just the backlog . tew rrtry— this grow, not just the backlog . how many people have been terertet— . how many people have been deportedr rew— . how many people have been deported, how many people who've retweet— deported, how many people who've retweet ttetr— deported, how many people who've refused their had— deported, how many people who've refused their had their claim retweet— refused their had their claim refused have— refused their had their claim refused have been deported back to refused have been deported back te tte— refused have been deported back to the countries— refused have been deported back to the countries they came from? ttrtty— to the countries they came from? ttrtty trytety— to the countries they came from? hardly anybody. that's the system — hardly anybody. that's the system te— hardly anybody. that's the system is broken at every single tewet. — system is broken at every single tewet. art— system is broken at every single level. and ithink— system is broken at every single level. and think until the level. and i think until the tewerrrrert— level. and i think until the government honest about that government are honest about that and government are honest about that ert ttrt— government are honest about that ert ttrt tr— government are honest about that and find an honest— government are honest about that and find an honest solution, not teet— and find an honest solution, not test—trttttrt- just a headline grabbing initiative— just a headline grabbing initiative ,_ just a headline grabbing initiative , nobody of your initiative, nobody none of your viewers , nobody— initiative, nobody none of your viewers , nobody will have any viewers, nobody will have any tetr— viewers, nobody will have any ttttt tttt— viewers, nobody will have any faith that the _ viewers, nobody will have any faith that the system can work. wett. — faith that the system can work. wett. ._ faith that the system can work. wett. . rreet— faith that the system can work. well, i mean,-soluti0n- faith that the system can work. well, i mean,-soluti0n is- faith that the system can work. well, i mean, the solution is to stop the boats coming in the first place. shouldn't be first place. they shouldn't be letting boats actually letting the boats actually arrive the shore on the south arrive on the shore on the south coast actually going out and coast and actually going out and proactively trying to escort them dover , you know, because them to dover, you know, because if people are coming from safe if people are coming from a safe country, they're not genuine asylum or refugees. if asylum seekers or refugees. if they come through not just one safe country, but a number of safe country, but a number of safe countries and they're coming to the uk because they know they get here, they're know if they get here, they're going as i said, going to be rewarded as i said,

with care, welfare, with health care, welfare, accommodation, and all accommodation, food and all these i agree with david these things i agree with david about should actually about is we should be actually stopping from stopping people coming from france let's do the processing france. let's do the processing of france. let's do the processing et-etttrre— france. let's do the processing et-etttrre tr— france. let's do the processing of-claims in france- 1 let's do the processing of claims in france itself. of the claims in france itself. i of the claims in france itself. . err-t— of the claims in france itself. . err-t-tew— of the claims in france itself. i can't-how you- of the claims in france itself. i can't how you can safely i can't see how you can safely ert— i can't see how you can safely ert re— i can't see how you can safely ert tte— i can't see how you can safely and one the busiest shipping ettrrete— and one the busiest shipping channels—do. channels in the world, do trytttrt— channels in the world, do anything interdict the boats. anything to interdict the boats. eree— anything to interdict the boats. eree-tte— anything to interdict the boats. once -the boats - anything to interdict the boats. once the boats come once you once the boats come trte— once you once the boats come trte-wtter— once you once the boats come into-water and- once you once the boats come into water and which is into british water and which is ttttwty— into british water and which is halfway across— into british water and which is halfway across the channel which is, halfway across the channel which te, yew— halfway across the channel which re, yew trew— halfway across the channel which is, you know, ten— halfway across the channel which is, you know, ten miles away terr— is, you know, ten miles away trerr tte— is, you know, ten miles away from the french— is, you know, ten miles away from the french coast at some retrte— from the french coast at some retrte-ttey— from the french coast at some points,-they have- from the french coast at some points, they have to be points, then they have to be trettet — points, then they have to be trettet tr— points, then they have to be treated in britain. let's get reerte— treated in britain. let's get people processed in france . if people processed in france. if trey— people processed in france. if trey rete— people processed in france. if trey ttwe tte— people processed in france. if they have the right to come to trttttt— they have the right to come to trttttr, trey— they have the right to come to britain, they can— they have the right to come to britain, they can come. if they ttwe — britain, they can come. if they ttwe te — britain, they can come. if they ttwe te wett— britain, they can come. if they have to wait, they— britain, they can come. if they have to wait, they should wait in have to wait, they should wait tr trree — have to wait, they should wait in france. and— have to wait, they should wait in france. and if— have to wait, they should wait in france. and if they don't reve— in france. and if they don't ttwe tte— in france. and if they don't have the right— in france. and if they don't have the right to come to trttttt— have the right to come to britain, they _ have the right to come to britain, they go back have the right to come to- britain, they-go back to britain, they should go back to tte. — britain, they should go back to tte. tut— britain, they should go back to tte. tut tr— britain, they should go back to the. but in the— britain, they should go back to the. " the. but in the meantime, though, all of those kind though, while all of those kind of are going setting of things are going on, setting up processing facilities takes time, the rest up processing facilities takes tinwhatever. the rest up processing facilities takes tinwhatever. so the rest up processing facilities takes tinwhatever. so but the rest up processing facilities takes tinwhatever. so but surelyest up processing facilities takes tinwhatever. so but surely there of whatever. so but surely there are just want my money perspective. you must applaud the trying the government for trying to find cost effective places find more cost effective places to four star to put people in four star hotels as well. it goes back to the hotels as well. it goes back to tte newt-e— hotels as well. it goes back to the david's point.— hotels as well. it goes back to the david's point. this- it goes back to the david's point. this is 500 ert— the david's point. this is 500 ert et— the david's point. this is 500 ert et t— the david's point. this is 500 out of a backlog— the david's point. this is 500 out of a backlog of 100,000. it

teet— out of a backlog of 100,000. it teee retttrt— out of a backlog of 100,000. it does nothing really to dent the eeete— does nothing really to dent the eeete .— does nothing really to dent the eeete . wett— does nothing really to dent the costs . well, one— does nothing really to dent the costs . well, one one, it has for costs. well, one one, it has for 1% costs. well, one one, it has for we et— costs. well, one one, it has for we et tte— costs. well, one one, it has for 1% of the people— costs. well, one one, it has for 1% of the people because the eeet— 1% of the people because the eeet et— 1% of the people because the cost of hiring— 1% of the people because the cost of hiring this and this teet— cost of hiring this and this tett, yee— cost of hiring this and this boat, you've then got the costs of boat, you've then got the costs et rrewrt— boat, you've then got the costs et rrewrt rt.— boat, you've then got the costs of moving it. you— boat, you've then got the costs of moving it. you then got the eeet— of moving it. you then got the eeet et— of moving it. you then got the cost of staffing— of moving it. you then got the cost of staffing it— of moving it. you then got the cost of staffing it and then yee— cost of staffing it and then ye tet— cost of staffing it and then ye tet tte— cost of staffing it and then you've got the cost of the food on you've got the cost of the food er ter — you've got the cost of the food er ter et— you've got the cost of the food er ter et rt.— you've got the cost of the food er ter et tt. se— you've got the cost of the food on top of it. so actually what tte— on top of it. so actually what tte etwrt— on top of it. so actually what tte etwrt te— on top of it. so actually what the saving is compared to the twertet— the saving is compared to the twertet eeet— the saving is compared to the average cost of— the saving is compared to the average cost of the residents of the average cost of the residents of tte—tr- average cost of the residents of tte—tr tt- average cost of the residents of tte—tr tt ttel the people who are in at the rrerrert— the people who are in at the moment, like— the people who are in at the moment, like the ones my moment, like the ones in my teett— moment, like the ones in my teett try— moment, like the ones in my local, my local— moment, like the ones in my local, my local area. i don't tttrt— local, my local area. i don't think there's— local, my local area. i don't think there's a— local, my local area. i don't think there's a big difference in think there's a big difference tr ttte. — think there's a big difference in this. there's— think there's a big difference in this. there's a- think there's a big difference in this. gt; in this. there's a huge difference. it's the it's the numbers caused this. the numbers that caused this. the cost. to be clear this cost. just to be clear on this numbers thing before we come back to you, david, just to be absolutely clear, got absolutely clear, you've got 51,000 or 51,000 people there or thereabouts in at the thereabouts in hotels at the moment there or moment costing there or thereabouts, a thereabouts, £6.2 million a day. that out average, about that works out an average, about £121, person day . £121, £0.60 per person per day. if them on the barges , if you put them on the barges, it works out £40 per person per day . so about three it works out £40 per person per day. so about three times plus other costs . no, the cost is the other costs. no, the cost is the costs for these barges, apparently £20,000 a day. not including not including the staff the mooring or

staff or the mooring costs or the costs. so there's other the food costs. so there's other eeete— the food costs. so there's other eeetelter. — the food costs. so there's other costs-top. there— the food costs. so there's other costs-top. there are- the food costs. so there's other costs top. there are other costs on top. there are other costs on top. there are other costs well. but even if you costs as well. but even if you take number, you take that number, you know you're down person you're going down per person from 120 £40 a day. that's from 120 to £40 a day. that's £80 per person times that by $500, you get about 40,000. so 40,000 is only a tiny fraction of 6.2 million. the cost will go down from 6.2 million to 6.16 million. and then if you just get another, you know , 360 or so get another, you know, 360 or so come across and that's not a lot. that's not a lot of these barges around. there's not a lot of barges around. there's not a lot et tteee. — barges around. there's not a lot of these. well,— barges around. there's not a lot of these. well, i— barges around. there's not a lot of these. well, i actually applaud the government for being creative in their thinking and attempts thing. at the very least, try and save the least, to try and save the taxpayers money. £20,000. well . taxpayers money. £20,000. well. £40,000 is £40,000. £20,000 a day, £40 a person, £40 a person versus 120, 20 odd quid a person per day . in a versus 120, 20 odd quid a person per day. in a lot of versus 120, 20 odd quid a person per day . in a lot of people's per day. in a lot of people's minds, it'll be a lot of money. so but the actual solution is to eter— so but the actual solution is to step tte— so but the actual solution is to eter tte teete— so but the actual solution is to stop the boats from coming teetwee— stop the boats from coming because until— stop the boats from coming because until they we've all ttreet—

because until they we've all agreed er— because until they we've all agreed on, then— because until they we've all agreed on, then the costs are teet— agreed on, then the costs are twet 90i“9_ agreed on, then the costs are twet tetrt te— agreed on, then the costs are just going to keep on escalating.- just going to keep on escalating. - just going to keep on escalating. ' t: �*" just going to keep on escalating. 't: �*" g:. just going to keep on- escalating. and if you got if you this only a very went you this is only a very went back was a time a few back there was a time a few years ago when home office civil servants were really productive they week. if servants were really productive they week . if you they did 13 cases a week. if you do 13 cases and 80%_ they did 13 cases a week. if you do 13 cases and 80% of- t: t: �*3 f if you do 13 cases and 80% of them t: t: 3 f if you do 13 cases and 80% of them as the do 13 cases and 80% of them as tte rerrrt— do 13 cases and 80% of them as the normal number— do 13 cases and 80% of them as the normal number get get tttewet— the normal number get get tttewet te— the normal number get get allowed to stay— the normal number get get allowed to stay as asylum eeeeret— allowed to stay as asylum seekers refugees, they could tter— seekers refugees, they could tter te — seekers refugees, they could then be working. and if those reerte— then be working. and if those reerte eewtt— then be working. and if those people could be— then be working. and if those people could be working, then trey— people could be working, then trey eewtt— people could be working, then trey eewtt te— people could be working, then they could be paying tax and rtttertt— they could be paying tax and national insurance . and there's national insurance. and there's a national insurance. and there's tttere-e— national insurance. and there's tttere-e tex— national insurance. and there's a there's tax that— national insurance. and there's a there's tax that we're not tetttrt— a there's tax that we're not tetttrt trerr — a there's tax that we're not getting from people who could be werttrt— getting from people who could be werttrt ert— getting from people who could be working and they'd be working in the working and they'd be working in tte wte— working and they'd be working in the nhs,-could_ working and they'd be working in the nhs,-could be- working and they'd be working in the nhs, could be working the nhs, they could be working in the nhs, they could be working tr—eewtt- the nhs, they could be working tr—eewtt tel in social care, they could be werttrt— in social care, they could be working hospitality, there's working in hospitality, there's tttewr— working in hospitality, there's. tttewr—se labour shortages everywhere. so ewerytety— labour shortages everywhere. so ewerytety-et- labour shortages everywhere. so everybody-of this. - labour shortages everywhere. so eagreeydy-of this. - labour shortages everywhere. so e agree we -of this. - labour shortages everywhere. so eagree we should of this. labour shortages everywhere. so eagree we should be if this. labour shortages everywhere. so eagree we should be trying to i agree we should be trying to ttxrtyere— i agree we should be trying to save taxpayers money. but i tttrt— save taxpayers money. but i it... yet— save taxpayers money. but i think, you know,— save taxpayers money. but i think, you know, you need to save taxpayers— think, you know, you need to save taxpayers money at every retrt—reertel point of this. getting people ret— point of this. getting people ret-tte— point of this. getting people not-the channel- point of this. getting people not the channel at all, not to cross the channel at all, get— not to cross the channel at all, get-rreeeeeet— not to cross the channel at all, get-processed in- not to cross the channel at all, get processed in france, get them processed in france, tetttrt— get them processed in france, getting processed getting people processed q...tt.,_ getting people processed twtetty. ret— getting people processed quickly, not keeping them in teterttet— quickly, not keeping them in detention, not— quickly, not keeping them in detention, not keeping them in tetete— detention, not keeping them in tetete ert— detention, not keeping them in hotels and getting them. cut» hotels and getting them. i do ttrt— hotels and getting them. i do ttrt tt— hotels and getting them. i do find it fascinating,— hotels and getting them. i do find it fascinating, just my last point on this, my last little everyone little reflection on everyone sits let's stop

sits there and says, let's stop the boats. but then the second that anyone seems come up that anyone seems to come up with that perhaps with a deterrent that perhaps would stop would actually perhaps stop people boats in people getting on those boats in the place, immediately, the first place, immediately, everyone's up in arms going, whoa, can't stop that whoa, you can't stop them that way. it's cool, way. that's awful. it's cool, it's inhumane. then it's inhumane. lane but then really seem to follow up with many of their own suggestions is to stop their own minds. to stop them in their own minds. anyway, me on to this anyway, let me move on to this union he is soon to be the union boss. he is soon to be the president of the nec, which is one of the biggest teaching unions you well, you're unions. you are well, you're certainly former teacher. do unions. you are well, you're cert still former teacher. do unions. you are well, you're cert still teach? er teacher. do unions. you are well, you're cert still teach? i teacher. do unions. you are well, you're cert still teach? i don'ter. do unions. you are well, you're cert still teach? i don't teach you still teach? i don't teach at tte— you still teach? i don't teach at the moment.— you still teach? i don't teach at the moment. i— you still teach? i don't teach at the moment. i lead- .. f“ i don't teach at the moment. i lead the tertttte— at the moment. i lead the heritage party— at the moment. i lead the heritage party full time, but i was a teacher— heritage party full time, but i was a teacher for— heritage party full time, but i was a teacher for 20 years. so were— was a teacher for 20 years. so ye yewre— was a teacher for 20 years. so you're you're you're a former teteter. — you're you're you're a former teteter. art— you're you're you're a former teacher. and i'm- you're you're you're a former teacher. ' .. teacher. and i'm interested in your view, particularly on this because the because it's all about the teachers he's saying or because it's all about the teahas's he's saying or because it's all about the teahas said he's saying or because it's all about the teahas said that he's saying or because it's all about the teahas said that it'ss saying or because it's all about the teahas said that it's notying or because it's all about the teahas said that it's not all| or he has said that it's not all about pay. not just about pay. they're not just going strike because going out on strike because of pay- going out on strike because of pay. about among pay. he says it's about among other things, we're setting out, reasserting professional reasserting our professional control, of control, taking back control of an educational system. get this everybody from a brutally racist state that sends refugees to rwanda to that's absolute

nonsense , isn't it? i mean, this nonsense, isn't it? i mean, this is nonsense, isn't it? i mean, this te teet— nonsense, isn't it? i mean, this te twet tretter— nonsense, isn't it? i mean, this is just another person- . .7’ i mean, this is just another person who's tte— is just another person who's ttte tretttrt— is just another person who's like trotting out— is just another person who's like trotting out the same rtrtwet— like trotting out the same narrative from _ like trotting out the same narrative from the far left. oh, tttttr— narrative from the far left. oh, tttttr te— narrative from the far left. oh, tttttr te r— narrative from the far left. oh, britain is a racist— narrative from the far left. oh, britain is a racist country, and trey-re— britain is a racist country, and trey-re rettty— britain is a racist country, and they're really activists who reve— they're really activists who rate tere— they're really activists who have gone into— they're really activists who have gone into these roles and tree— have gone into these roles and these institutions,— have gone into these roles and these institutions, unions , these institutions, unions, tree-e— these institutions, unions, ttere-e t— these institutions, unions, there's a lot— these institutions, unions, there's a lot of- these institutions, unions, there's a lot of them in education,— there's a lot of them in education, but there's lot of education, but there's a lot of reerte— education, but there's a lot of reerte wte— education, but there's a lot of reerte wte-teet- education, but there's a lot of people who just normal people who are just normal tetetere— people who are just normal teachers-they- people who are just normal teachers. they might be teachers. and they might be etttrt— teachers. and they might be etttrtltte— teachers. and they might be striking the moment because striking at the moment because trey— striking at the moment because ...._....,_ striking at the moment because they—rise, which- striking at the moment because they—rise, which is. they want a pay rise, which is in they want a pay rise, which is tr-wttt— they want a pay rise, which is in -with inflation- they want a pay rise, which is in with inflation because in line with inflation because of_government. in line with inflation becausei of_government has of course, the government has teet— of course, the government has test-tte— of course, the government has lost -the economy i of course, the government has lost the economy and lost control of the economy and the lost control of the economy and tte-tte — lost control of the economy and tte-tte tetrt- lost control of the economy and the-the pound. so- the value of the pound. so i wett— the value of the pound. so i wewtt ttree— the value of the pound. so i would agree with you on that pretty.— would agree with you on that pretty. rrt— would agree with you on that probably. but you know, most of the probably. but you know, most of tte-wte— probably. but you know, most of tte-wte tre— probably. but you know, most of the who are striking the teachers who are striking ert— the teachers who are striking ert-tter- the teachers who are striking and -them-agree the teachers who are striking- and -them-agree with and some of them will agree with him and some of them will agree with ttrr teetwee— and some of them will agree with him because they— and some of them will agree with him because they activists, him because they are activists, tut— him because they are activists, tut-et— him because they are activists, tut-et-wtt- him because they are activists, but-of-will say,- but a lot of them will say, wett— but a lot of them will say, wet-te— but a lot of them will say, well,-is just- but a lot of them will say, well, is just nonsense. well, this is just nonsense. tte— well, this is just nonsense. tt-e wret— well, this is just nonsense. it's what statement it's what his statement about tttttr— it's what his statement about| britain—country. britain being a racist country. attr— britain being a racist country. againr tte— britain being a racist country. ttttr. tt-e tet— britain being a racist country. again, it's got absolutely retttrt— again, it's got absolutely retttrt te— again, it's got absolutely nothing to with teachers pay. nothing to do with teachers pay. it's - absolutely _ nothing to do with teachers pay. it's absolutely nothing to it's got absolutely nothing to do it's got absolutely nothing to te—etwtertei it's got absolutely nothing to. do_students or do with teachers or students or etttrer— do with teachers or students or etttrer-er- do with teachers or students or children or teaching children or pupils or teaching ert— children or pupils or teaching ert-.— children or pupils or teaching ert-. tte— children or pupils or teaching ert-. tter-wet- and learning. it's just an errertwrtet— and learning. it's just an errertwrtet ,— and learning. it's just an opportunist, opportunistic rrerrert— opportunist, opportunistic moment he's— opportunist, opportunistic moment he's taking to actually ttrew— moment he's taking to actually ttrew ttre— moment he's taking to actually throw this accusation of racism at throw this accusation of racism tt tte— throw this accusation of racism tt tte eewrtry— throw this accusation of racism at the country again. 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words , by the way, hence i'm words, by the way, hence i'm reading them. so i don't want to rrtetwete— reading them. so i don't want to rrtetwete ttr— reading them. so i don't want to rrtetwete ttrr t— reading them. so i don't want to misquote him a brutally- : g so i don't want to misquote him a brutally racist ettte— misquote him a brutally racist ettte tttt— misquote him a brutally racist state that sends— misquote him a brutally racist state that sends refugees to twtrtt— state that sends refugees to rwanda, that— state that sends refugees to rwanda, that is— state that sends refugees to rwanda, that is just laughable . rwanda, that is just laughable. wet.— rwanda, that is just laughable. wet. te— rwanda, that is just laughable. wett. re wte.— rwanda, that is just laughable. well, he was, he— rwanda, that is just laughable. well, he was, he said,- rwanda, that is just laughable. well, he was, he said, brutally racist state, partly about child. q racist state, partly about child. 0 the case of the of the of the of the young woman who was strip searched by the police at school that was racist. it was child abuse. there was there's everything to condemn about that. yeah, but hang on. that was what the event was. but i'm that was what the event was. but t-rr retttrt— that was what the event was. but t-rr retttrt tte— that was what the event was. but i'm reading his sentence. it's ttewt— i'm reading his sentence. it's ttewt tttrt— i'm reading his sentence. it's about taking back control of an etwetter— about taking back control of an education system— about taking back control of an education system from a brutally rreet— education system from a brutally rtetet-tttt— education system from a brutally racist-that sends- education system from a brutally racist that sends refugees education system from a brutally ra

fair comment to say this government, this government, the current government acts in a brutally way, and that's brutally racist way, and that's their intention. that's a fairi comment. _fair comment. i think it's a fair a fair comment on suella braverman. fair comment on braverman. a fair comment on suella braverman who went to rwanda and cackled cruella rwanda and cackled like cruella de housing that de vil about the housing that she thought refugees should be sent to. i think sending people from our country where we have a responsibility to refugees, sending them to rwanda, that is racist. the fact that there's no safe route for these refugees to apply to come to the uk, the fact that actually this country seems only want this seems to only want this government to government only seems to want blue refugees. oh, there's blue eyed refugees. oh, there's so much i blue eyed refugees. oh, there's ee rrrer . er— blue eyed refugees. oh, there's so much i can pick— blue eyed refugees. oh, there's so much i can pick up- blue eyed refugees. oh, there's so much i can pick up on- : g oh, there's so much i can pick up on this rert.— so much i can pick up on this tttt. tet— so much i can pick up on this tttt. tet rre— so much i can pick up on this right. let me just— so much i can pick up on this right. let me just let me just be tee— right. let me just let me just be clean-saying. right. let me just let me just be clear. saying that be clear. so you're saying that swettt— be clear. so you're saying that suella _whose - be clear. so you're saying that. suella—whose parents suella braverman, whose parents are suella braverman, whose parents tre— tsttt- suella braverman, whose parents are_, aslef who's- are immigrants, aslef who's rrerret— are immigrants, aslef who's married-jewish- are immigrants, aslef who's married jewish person, married to a jewish person, yewre— you're saying that she is essentially— you're saying that she is essentially if— you're saying that she is essentially if you're saying tttt— essentially if you're saying tttt-te— essentially if you're saying that-is setting- essentially if you're saying that is setting all these that she is setting up all these retetee— that she is setting up all these retetee-tre— that she is setting up all these policies-are racist,- that she is setting up all these policies are racist, then policies that are racist, then yew— policies that are racist, then are you suggesting she's are you suggesting that she's rreete—treet- are you suggesting that she's racist? _that her. racist? i'm saying that her policies racist . judge policies are racist. judge people how act, what people by how they act, by what they they act and what's they how they act and what's that look into her soul. but i know what she intends do know that what she intends to do is is to punish refugee and

is to is to punish refugee and asylum who people of asylum seekers who are people of colour come here and have no colour who come here and have no other way to apply to come to britain. by so people britain. so by sending so people that are leaving france because they're for they're apparently terrified for their they their life in france, they coming this government coming here and this government is with safe is providing them with safe shelter within the government or within the country rwanda. within the country of rwanda. and think providing that and you think providing that erre— and you think providing that trre—tt- and you think providing that safe _ all the - and you think providing that safe—all the rest| and you think providing that. safe—all the rest of safe shelter and all the rest of it safe shelter and all the rest of ttlreetet— safe shelter and all the rest of itlracist,-come- safe shelter and all the rest of it racist, come here it is racist, people come here to it is racist, people come here telreerte— it is racist, people come here telreerte eerre- it is racist, people come here to people come here because to for people come here because trey-we— to for people come here because trey-we wertet— to for people come here because they've worked afghanistan they've worked in afghanistan ert— they've worked in afghanistan ert trey— they've worked in afghanistan ert trey-ter- they've worked in afghanistan and they-for our- they've worked in afghanistan and they for our country. and they worked for our country. t hey— and they worked for our country. they wett— and they worked for our country. trey wert ter— and they worked for our country. they work for our— and they worked for our country. they work for our soldiers.- they work for our soldiers. they're under threat of they're under the threat of death the taliban. they come death in the taliban. they come here. to rejoin family here. they want to rejoin family members we're saying we say members and we're saying we say absolutely , you cannot join absolutely, you cannot join rejoin family . you can't rejoin your family. you can't join up your family. one of you is to go to rwanda or two is going to go to rwanda or two of are going to of you are going to go to rwanda. you can't join your family, and family, your community. and i think wrong. you have the think that's wrong. you have the tttttrtettr— g you have the afghanistan resettlement scheme, i afghanistan resettlement scheme, t-eerreet— afghanistan resettlement scheme, i-correct title. _ afghanistan resettlement scheme, i-correct title. and- i think is correct title. and we rretetwety— i think is correct title. and we. proactively _ people proactively try and help people terr— proactively try and help people from afghanistan— proactively try and help people from afghanistan . don't think from afghanistan. i don't think it from afghanistan. i don't think tt-erewtt— from afghanistan. i don't think tt-erewtt .— from afghanistan. i don't think tt-erewtt . .- from afghanistan. i don't think it enough . i would it goes far enough. i would agree— it goes far enough. i would agree wttt— it goes far enough. i would agree with you— it goes far enough. i would agree with you on that. but we all agree with you on that. but we at trew— agree with you on that. but we at trew-ttte— agree with you on that. but we all know this process and all know that this process and ttre— all know that this process and this suggestion— all know that this process and this suggestion about rwanda is to this suggestion about rwanda is te-teterrert— this suggestion about rwanda is to-deterrent to- this suggestion about rwanda is to deterrent to stop

to act as a deterrent to stop reerte— to act as a deterrent to stop people predominantly coming from rtteee— people predominantly coming from tweet—se— people predominantly coming from rtteee—se ._ people predominantly coming from rtteee—se treet- places like albania. so i just trt— places like albania. so i just ttrt ttre— places like albania. so i just find this whole— places like albania. so i just find this whole label, oh, it's all find this whole label, oh, it's at rreter— find this whole label, oh, it's all racist, it's— find this whole label, oh, it's all racist, it's cruel, and all tte— all racist, it's cruel, and all tte teet— all racist, it's cruel, and all tte reet et— all racist, it's cruel, and all the rest of it,— all racist, it's cruel, and all the rest of it, it's- all racist, it's cruel, and all the rest of it, it's just a smear designed to shame people into smear designed to shame people trte ttreetrt— smear designed to shame people into agreeing with— smear designed to shame people into agreeing with the opposite tte— into agreeing with the opposite tte et— into agreeing with the opposite tte et tte— into agreeing with the opposite side of the argument. i've got to side of the argument. i've got te ety— side of the argument. i've got te ety trr— side of the argument. i've got to say, i'm afraid— side of the argument. i've got to say, i'm afraid doesn't wash wttt— to say, i'm afraid doesn't wash wttt rre— to say, i'm afraid doesn't wash wttt tetr— to say, i'm afraid doesn't wash with me. john mcternan you tell me tt— with me. john mcternan you tell me at terre— with me. john mcternan you tell me at home whether or not it watere— me at home whether or not it weeeet wttt— me at home whether or not it washes with you. _ me at home whether or not it washes with you. is the uk a and i'm washes with you. is the uk a and t-rr eteetrt— washes with you. is the uk a and i'm checking back— washes with you. is the uk a and i'm checking back because i do not i'm checking back because i do ret-rrtetwete— i'm checking back because i do not misquote people. is not like to misquote people. is the not like to misquote people. is tte tt— not like to misquote people. is tte tr e— not like to misquote people. is the uk a brutally— not like to misquote people. is the uk a brutally racist state? trte— the uk a brutally racist state? trte wette— the uk a brutally racist state? this world's gone— the uk a brutally racist state? this world's gone mad. i'll tell you— this world's gone mad. i'll tell yew rert.— this world's gone mad. i'll tell yew tttt. trr— this world's gone mad. i'll tell you right. i'm going to take a treet— you right. i'm going to take a treet. vet— you right. i'm going to take a break. you give— you right. i'm going to take a break. you give me your thoughts on break. you give me your thoughts er tter— break. you give me your thoughts er ttet. te— break. you give me your thoughts on that. gb views— break. you give me your thoughts on that. gb views at gbnews.uk is on that. gb views at gbnews.uk te rew— on that. gb views at gbnews.uk te tew yew— on that. gb views at gbnews.uk is how you reach— on that. gb views at gbnews.uk is how you reach me on twitter, if is how you reach me on twitter, t ttet-e— is how you reach me on twitter, t ttet-e yew— is how you reach me on twitter, if that's your thing.— is how you reach me on twitter, if that's your thing. at michelle— if that's your thing. at michelle gibbs, don't go erywtere— michelle gibbs, don't go anywhere and- michelle gibbs, don't go anywhere and i'll see you at 2 in anywhere and i'll see you at 2 tr 2— anywhere and i'll see you at 2 tr 2 ter— anywhere and i'll see you at 2 tr 2 ter ee— anywhere and i'll see you at 2 in 2 for some more— anywhere and i'll see you at 2 in 2 for some more of your reeeter— in 2 for some more of your reeetter er— in 2 for some more of your reaction on that. - in 2 for some more of your reaction on that. but also as wet— reaction on that. but also as wet tete— reaction on that. but also as wet tete te— reaction on that. but also as well, lots to get— reaction on that. but also as well, lots to get into tonight, tretwttrt— well, lots to get into tonight, including keir— well, lots to get into tonight, including keir starmer and the ttrew— including keir starmer and the tetewr rety— including keir starmer and the labour party and— including keir starmer and the labour party and kemi badenoch tter— labour party and kemi badenoch tter etewt— labour party and kemi badenoch new plan about is— labour party and kemi badenoch new plan about is it finally the answer to this— new plan about is it finally the answer to this whole conversation about can people eterte— conversation about can people eterte tter— conversation about can people change their gender and the sex and change their gender and the sex ert et— change their gender and the sex ert ett tte— change their gender and the sex and all the rest— change their gender and the sex and all the rest of— change their gender and the sex and all the rest of it? 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hi there. i'm michelle dewberry teertrt— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry teertrt yew— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right ttrewtt— keeping you company right through till— keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. ttertette— through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me,- through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, john mcternan is retteet— alongside me, john mcternan is political strategist— alongside me, john mcternan is political strategist and a terrrer— political strategist and a former adviser to tony blair and newt— former adviser to tony blair and brett ketter— former adviser to tony blair and david kurten is— former adviser to tony blair and david kurten is the leader of tte— david kurten is the leader of tte terttete— david kurten is the leader of the heritage party. �*ft�*tz; " the heritage party. we've been discussing just before the break about whether or not the uk is a brutally racist state. one of my viewers, brutally racist state. one of my wett— brutally racist state. one of my viewers, mark, he— brutally racist state. one of my viewers, mark, he has- brutally racist state. one of my viewers, mark, he has a- one of my viewers, mark, he has a good tweeter— viewers, mark, he has a good tweeter .— viewers, mark, he has a good tweeter . te— viewers, mark, he has a good question . he says, can you ask question. he says, can you ask john— question. he says, can you ask john mcternan— question. he says, can you ask john mcternan then, if it's so teeter— john mcternan then, if it's so aaa, wry— john mcternan then, if it's so aaa, wry te— john mcternan then, if it's so racist, why do so— john mcternan then, if it's so racist, why do so many people wett— racist, why do so many people wert te— racist, why do so many people wert te eerre— racist, why do so many people want to come here— racist, why do so many people- want to come here-because want to come here then? because weee-— want to come here then? because weere- et— want to come here then? because weere- et tte— want to come here then? because we one of the greatest we were one of the greatest countries in the world. but the policies to deter policies of trying to deter refugees are not blue eyed refugees who are not blue eyed white refugees ukraine, white refugees from ukraine, those policies. and those are racist policies. and you you said yourself, you said you said yourself, rwanda's to be deterrence, rwanda's meant to be deterrence, not nice place to not meant to be a nice place to go. people want to come here because eritrea , because afghanistan, eritrea, somaliland, of places have somaliland, a lot of places have a connection to uk a historic connection to the uk and because families are and because their families are here because they believe in

here and because they believe in the freedom that we stand for. and the it's the it's the and it's the it's the it's the policies of the government, and it's the it's the it's the policies of the government , not policies of the government, not the country britain. policies of the government, not the opposedintry britain. policies of the government, not the opposed to. okay. itain. policies of the government, not the opposed to. okay. did. policies of the government, not the opposed to. okay. did you i'm opposed to. okay. did you are i'm opposed to. okay. did you yew— i'm opposed to. okay. did you yew trytrt— i'm opposed to. okay. did you yew trytrt te— i'm opposed to. okay. did you are you trying to etch- : okay. did you are you trying to etch your way teet— are you trying to etch your way teet tr— are you trying to etch your way back in there? _ are you trying to etch your way back in there? first" back in there? that's completely not racist. i there are not racist. i mean, there are as you are schemes to you said, there are schemes to bnng you said, there are schemes to bring people from afghanistan to the uk resettle them. the uk and resettle them. i mean, don't agree with that mean, i don't agree with that myself, we're clearly we're myself, but we're clearly we're not you've not a racist country. so you've got from who are got people from ukraine who are white. people from white. you've got people from afghanistan are brown, both afghanistan who are brown, both coming resettlement coming in resettlement schemes organised government . organised by the government. what they trying to do is what are they trying to do is keep people illegally keep out people coming illegally on across the channel. on the boats across the channel. i i just it laughable i mean, i just find it laughable really people say that really when people say that you've government. you've got a racist government. when actually look at the when you actually look at the metere— when you actually look at the. rretewr—tte makeup of the government, the reerte— makeup of the government, the reerte-ere— makeup of the government, the reerte-ere tr— makeup of the government, the people are in charge and people that are in charge and tter— people that are in charge and their backgrounds and all the teet— their backgrounds and all the reetltt— their backgrounds and all the reetlttltwet— their backgrounds and all the rest.it,ljust think- their backgrounds and all the rest it, just think it's a rest of it, i just think it's a tt— rest of it, i just think it's a bit ludicrous.— rest of it, i just think it's a bit ludicrous. anyway that is a conversation _ bit ludicrous. anyway that is a conversation-i'm- bit ludicrous. anyway that is a conversation i'm sure we conversation that i'm sure we eewtt— conversation that i'm sure we eewtt-er— conversation that i'm sure we eewtt-er ter— conversation that i'm sure we could _on forlvery- conversation that i'm sure we could on for very long could carry on for a very long trre. — could carry on for a very long trre. ert— could carry on for a very long trre. but yet— could carry on for a very long time. but you know what? there's etter— time. but you know what? there's etter tttrte— time. but you know what? there's etter tttrte te— time. but you know what? there's other things to-i- time. but you know what? there's other things to i shall other things to discuss. i shall move on because— other things to discuss. i shall move on because there's another ertwrrert— move on because there's another ertwrrertltewr. — move on because there's another argument-town. _is. argument in town. this one is going— argument in town. this one is getter—trre- argument in town. this one is getter—trre tt going nowhere any time soon, it seems. can we badenoch might seems. but can we badenoch might reve— seems. but can we badenoch might tte—tte—

seems. but can we badenoch might have _the question- seems. but can we badenoch might have _the question is. have the answer. the question is etewt— have the answer. the question is etewt tte— have the answer. the question is etewt tt-e et— have the answer. the question is about it's all getting conflated,- about it's all getting conflated, isn't it ? sex, conflated, isn't it? sex, gem...— conflated, isn't it? sex, gender,-that- conflated, isn't it? sex, gender, that or the conflated, isn't it? sex,- gender,-that or the other. gender, this, that or the other. wett — gender, this, that or the other. wett rerrr— gender, this, that or the other. well, kemi badenoch now is eerettetrt— well, kemi badenoch now is considering defining sex considering whether defining sex as considering whether defining sex ee ttetetteet— considering whether defining sex as biological could provide teeter— as biological could provide teeter tetet— as biological could provide greater legal clarity to protect terrete— greater legal clarity to protect terrete erty— greater legal clarity to protect female only spaces and women's erert. — female only spaces and women's erert. tet— female only spaces and women's erert. tet rre— female only spaces and women's erert. tet te twe— female only spaces and women's sport. let me give you a little ttit,— sport. let me give you a little tr. ttewtt— sport. let me give you a little tip, though, because i think eetrree— tip, though, because i think sometimes people hear these kind of sometimes people hear these kind et etetee— sometimes people hear these kind et etetee. trey— sometimes people hear these kind of stories. they go,— sometimes people hear these kind of stories. they go, oh, god, why— of stories. they go, oh, god, wry ere— of stories. they go, oh, god, wry yew— of stories. they go, oh, god, why are you talking about this? trt— why are you talking about this? art ._ why are you talking about this? art . tetr— why are you talking about this? and i talk about— why are you talking about this? and i talk about this and this is and i talk about this and this te eetwetty— and i talk about this and this is actually on— and i talk about this and this is actually on a— and i talk about this and this is actually on a lot of the rewererere— is actually on a lot of the newspapers today as well. front pager — newspapers today as well. front page i_ newspapers today as well. front paget t tttrt— newspapers today as well. front paget t tttrt et— newspapers today as well. front page, i think of a— newspapers today as well. front page, i think of a couple of tter — page, i think of a couple of them because— page, i think of a couple of them because i— page, i think of a couple of them because i think this is eter— them because i think this is eter e— them because i think this is such a crucial— them because i think this is such a crucial conversation. i tttrt— such a crucial conversation. i tttrt were— such a crucial conversation. i tttrt et— such a crucial conversation. i think we're at a— such a crucial conversation. i think we're at a turning point in think we're at a turning point tr trte— think we're at a turning point in this country. _ think we're at a turning point in this country. david you in this country. david and, you trew— in this country. david and, you know, there is there are essentially _ know, there is there are essentially facts that were indisputable— essentially facts that were indisputable not that long ago ttet— indisputable not that long ago ttet ere— indisputable not that long ago ttet re— indisputable not that long ago that are now up— indisputable not that long ago that are now up in the air, up for that are now up in the air, up ter treet— that are now up in the air, up ter trete. trt— that are now up in the air, up for grabs. and i— that are now up in the air, up for grabs. and i think unless you— for grabs. and i think unless yew tettet — for grabs. and i think unless you bottom these things out, tree-tt— you bottom these things out, ttere-tt te— you bottom these things out, there'll be groups people you bottom these things out, thertjustie groups people you bottom these things out, thertjust willoups people you bottom these things out, thertjust will not; people you bottom these things out, thertjust will not be people you bottom these things out, thertjust will not be safe zile you bottom these things out, thertjust will not be safe in that just will not be safe in trte— that just will not be safe in we eewrtry— that just will not be safe in this country on— that just will not be safe in this country on the issue of ttetetteet— this country on the issue of biological sex.— this country on the issue of biological sex. and this rrereeet— biological sex. and this proposal with the equality act, wtere— proposal with the equality act, wterelyew— proposal with the equality act, where-you stand— proposal with the equality act, where you stand on it? where do you stand on it? i wett— where do you stand on it? i wettt 9°— where do you stand on it? i wewtt te ter— where do you stand on it? i would go far further.- where do you stand on it? i would go far further. i- where do you stand on it? i would go far further. i mean, the equality act 2010 has caused so many problems so many

so many problems in so many areas since it was became an act and it became law to free speech. the whole transgenderism thing is enabled that which i never heard of really until about 2015. and when i first heard of it, i thought this is a joke, isn't it? you know, people saying like monty python used to joke about people saying men can be women. women can be men, but it's just become mainstream themed. and now you can find yourselves of the yourselves in front of the courts just not saying courts just for not saying somebody's pronouns or somebody feeling as though they're offended by you saying that. there's just two sexes. but you know, where i stand on this is that there is no such thing as genden that there is no such thing as gender, which is different to sex. this is a social construct that comes out of left field. universities developing critical theory since the 50s and 60s. and then this is just a crazy idea that is not has no basis in reality . but with the equality reality. but with the equality act , what kemi badenoch reality. but with the equality act, what kemi badenoch is doing i don't think is actually going to make too much difference

because there are 9 or 10 protected characteristics which you're not supposed to discriminate on the basis of. one is sex, another one is gender reassignment . now sex gender reassignment. now sex means biological sex anyway. so if she just changes sex to biological sex in the equality act, it isn't going to make much difference to what it means unless us she gets rid of gender reassignment, but she's not as a protected characteristic and she hasn't that. so her hasn't said that. so her changing that isn't going to make difference whatsoever make any difference whatsoever to the practicalities of the law . i mean, the 19 page letter from baroness falkner, the chair of the hrc is very interesting . of the hrc is very interesting. i read it all. and one of the tree— i read it all. and one of the things which— i read it all. and one of the things which would be the consequence— things which would be the consequence of this is that tere— consequence of this is that trere ert— consequence of this is that trans and trans— consequence of this is that trans and trans men would be ettewet— trans and trans men would be ettewet te— trans and trans men would be allowed to use— trans and trans men would be allowed to use women's toilets. rrete— allowed to use women's toilets. trans men would— allowed to use women's toilets. trans men would be in women's wett— trans men would be in women's wt tr— trans men would be in women's wards, in hospitals— trans men would be in women's wards, in hospitals , and trans wards, in hospitals, and trans eewtt— wards, in hospitals, and trans men could claim— wards, in hospitals, and trans men could claim discrimination as men could claim discrimination

ee . ett— men could claim discrimination as women . but trans women as women. but trans women eewttr-t— as women. but trans women couldn't claim _ as women. but trans women couldn't claim sex discrimination as women. couldn't claim sex— discrimination as women. there's a discrimination as women. there's e tet— discrimination as women. there's e tet et— discrimination as women. there's a lot of complicated implications of this, and some of implications of this, and some et tteee. — implications of this, and some et tteee. te— implications of this, and some of these. do you— implications of this, and some of these. jtzzt rtr?" of these. do you think you can change your biological sex? i think i think you can. you can be yet— think i think you can. you can be yet er— think i think you can. you can be you can become a trans man or yew— be you can become a trans man or yew er— be you can become a trans man or yew teee— be you can become a trans man or yew teee e— be you can become a trans man or you can become a trans woman. you can become a trans woman. trt— you can become a trans woman. trt ttet-e— you can become a trans woman. trt ttet-e wry— you can become a trans woman. and that's why gender reassignment. do you think you -eerye— reassignment. do you think you can your biological sex? can change your biological sex? i can change your biological sex? . tet-t— can change your biological sex? i don't believe— i don't believe in these essentialist— i don't believe in these essentialist definitions i don't believe in these esstyou list definitions i don't believe in these esstyou haveefinitions i don't believe in these esstyou have to nitions i don't believe in these esstyou have to haves i don't believe in these esstyou have to have a womb to say you have to have a womb to be e— say you have to have a womb to be a woman because have, be a woman because women have, of course, of course, are eetwetty— of course, of course, are actually women and, of course, of course, are- actually-women and, you actually still women and, you trew— actually still women and, you trew ert— actually still women and, you trew ert ._ actually still women and, you know, and i think— actually still women and, you know, and i think what we are trytrt— know, and i think what we are trytrt te— know, and i think what we are trytrt te tett— know, and i think what we are trying to talk about is how do you— trying to talk about is how do yew revert— trying to talk about is how do you prevent discrimination ? and you prevent discrimination? and ttere— you prevent discrimination? and ttere ere— you prevent discrimination? and ttere 2.0,— you prevent discrimination? and there are 240, according to the ete— there are 240, according to the census, 242 000— there are 240, according to the census, 242 000 people who are trereterter— census, 242 000 people who are trereterter tr— census, 242 000 people who are transgender in the— census, 242 000 people who are transgender in the uk. it's not eeye— transgender in the uk. it's not eeye et— transgender in the uk. it's not eeye et tte— transgender in the uk. it's not 0.5% of the population . it's 0.5% of the population. it's a very— 0.5% of the population. it's a very erret— 0.5% of the population. it's a very small number of people . very small number of people. t hey— very small number of people. trey reve— very small number of people. they have rights— very small number of people. they have rights and they etewttr-t— they have rights and they shouldn't be _ they have rights and they shouldn't be discriminated etetret— shouldn't be discriminated etetret. trt— shouldn't be discriminated against. and what they what baroness falkner says, what the tree— baroness falkner says, what the tree eey— baroness falkner says, what the tree eey te— baroness falkner says, what the tree eey te tte— baroness falkner says, what the hrc say is the issue should be eeretteret— hrc say is the issue should be considered and— hrc say is the issue should be considered and it— hrc say is the issue should be considered and it goes through all considered and it goes through ett et— considered and it goes through ett et tte— considered and it goes through all of the complicated factors. sette— all of the complicated factors. serre et— all of the complicated factors. serre et tte — all of the complicated factors. some of the issues it raises, i

tet-t— some of the issues it raises, i tet-t tttrt— some of the issues it raises, i don't think are— some of the issues it raises, i don't think are for— some of the issues it raises, i don't think are for a government to don't think are for a government te teet— don't think are for a government te teet wttt— don't think are for a government te teet wttt. ._ don't think are for a government to deal with. i don't think tewerrrrert— to deal with. i don't think government should interfere in sports— government should interfere in sports regulation.— government should interfere in sports regulation. sports bodies retwtete— sports regulation. sports bodies retwtete-ererte— sports regulation. sports bodies regulate-sports .- sports regulation. sports bodies regulate sports . cricket regulate their sports. cricket is regulate their sports. cricket te—tte - regulate their sports. cricket is_the cricket. regulate their sports. cricket. is_the cricket body is regulated by the cricket body t-bv_ is regulated by the cricket body ,-.. tte— is regulated by the cricket body , by the appropriate , football by the appropriate authorities. _ , football by the appropriate. authorities. _ decide. authorities. they should decide. and— authorities. they should decide. and sports— authorities. they should decide. and sports authorities are deciding— and sports authorities are deciding to— and sports authorities are deciding to move to a situation where— deciding to move to a situation where people— deciding to move to a situation where people who— deciding to move to a situation where people who people who've gene— where people who people who've gene through— where people who people who've gone through adolescence and then— gone through adolescence and then identified— gone through adolescence and then identified as women can't eee-e— then identified as women can't eee-e eeeueuy— then identified as women can't can't actually compete in women's sports. i think that's right. — women's sports. i think that's right. ._ women's sports. i think that's right. meek— women's sports. i think that's right. ithink it's— women's sports. i think that's right. i think it's for the sporting— right. i think it's for the sporting bodies to deal with. and— sporting bodies to deal with. ann ne— sporting bodies to deal with. ann en— sporting bodies to deal with. and one of the— sporting bodies to deal with. and one of the cases she says ene— and one of the cases she says ene eeye— and one of the cases she says ene eeye n— and one of the cases she says she says it might— and one of the cases she says she says it might be that a enn— she says it might be that a woman only club could be woman only book club could be eeneee— woman only book club could be eeneee en— woman only book club could be accused of discrimination. ag...— accused of discrimination. ageinleen-e— accused of discrimination. again,idon't a- accused of discrimination. again, don't a book club. book again, i don't a book club. book dune— again, i don't a book club. book clubs are— again, i don't a book club. book clubs are organised by people privately.— clubs are organised by people privately. they're— clubs are organised by people privately. they're actually privately. they're not actually ennge— privately. they're not actually nnnnge against— privately. they're not actually things against which you can seek— things against which you can seek discrimination . so seek a discrimination. so. so eeneln-e— seek a discrimination. so. so eeneln-e-np- seek a discrimination. so. so some-it's-up and. seek a discrimination. so. so- somelit's-up and flammed some of it's made up and flammed uplmv— some of it's made up and flammed uplmy new.— some of it's made up and flammed uplmy dene— some of it's made up and flammed up my view. david yeah, up in my view. david yeah, i ene— up in my view. david yeah, i mean, the thing— up in my view. david yeah, i mean, the thing is with that, i mean, you could— mean, the thing is with that, i mean, you could because under the mean, you could because under ene-aee— mean, you could because under ene-aee ,— mean, you could because under ene-aee , yen- mean, you could because under the-act , you know,- mean, you could because under the act , you know, what the equality act, you know, what enem— the equality act, you know, what about—gyne- the equality act, you know, what about—gyms ,- the equality act, you know, what about—gyms , youl the equality act, you know, what- about_gyms , you know, about women only gyms, you know, eney—nen- about women only gyms, you know, eney—nen . l they discriminate against men. there— they discriminate against men. nnene nnen-e— they discriminate against men. there aren't really— they discriminate against men. there aren't really men- they discriminate against men. there aren't really men only gyms. they exist. you know gyms. they don't exist. you know what if a woman wanted to join a men gym, would they be, you

men only gym, would they be, you know, take them to know, be able to take them to court or whatever? know, court or whatever? you know, there's of legal there's all these kind of legal questions come up. but it questions that come up. but it essentially, you know, when there is such thing as a there is no such thing as a trans and saying trans trans woman and saying trans women are women is just not correct because they're a man, a man with male reproductive organs or who had male reproductive organs who had them surgically removed . it doesn't surgically removed. it doesn't make them a women, a woman and same with a woman you know, and what i think is absolutely appalling is that people are going into schools and teaching kids this kind of thing, and girls are getting their breasts removed and then there's, you know, having breast removal surgery and then sort of trying to become male. but they're not male. they're still women and they never be male . it works they can never be male. it works both ways. so i think, you know, we need get away from this we need to get away from this idea that gender is something thatis idea that gender is something that is real. there is gender dysphoria, which is a severe mental illness , and people need mental illness, and people need help to get over it rather than to have this mental illness

affirmed. and written into law. and in the end, kemi badenoch nee— and in the end, kemi badenoch nee asked— and in the end, kemi badenoch has asked for— and in the end, kemi badenoch has asked for advice. the advice is enn— has asked for advice. the advice is that reforms— has asked for advice. the advice is that reforms and— has asked for advice. the advice is that reforms and changes the equality— is that reforms and changes the enemy aen— is that reforms and changes the equality act should be considered— equality act should be considered if there considered, eney— considered if there considered, eney neve— considered if there considered, eney nave ee— considered if there considered, they have to be— considered if there considered, they have to be consulted on. if eney-ne— they have to be consulted on. if they're consulted _ they have to be consulted on. if they're consulted on and they end— they're consulted on and they and men— they're consulted on and they and eney ene— they're consulted on and they and they and they lead to a decision— and they and they lead to a decision by— and they and they lead to a decision by the _ and they and they lead to a decision by the government to mange,— decision by the government to enenge, nney— decision by the government to change, they will— decision by the government to change, they will need to be amendments— change, they will need to be amendments in— change, they will need to be amendments in the law amendments. - amendments in the law amendments. the equality act. nney-u— amendments. the equality act. nney-u neve— amendments. the equality act. they'll have to— amendments. the equality act. they'll have to go— amendments. the equality act. they'll have to go through pennanene. — they'll have to go through parliament. there isn't, in my new— parliament. there isn't, in my enengn— parliament. there isn't, in my view, enough time now between ene— view, enough time now between nne ene— view, enough time now between now and the next— view, enough time now between now and the next election for ene— now and the next election for enn neweuw— now and the next election for this actually to _ now and the next election for this actually to consulted this actually to be consulted on in legislation.— this actually to be consulted on in legislation. so— this actually to be consulted on in legislation. so there's a lot of in legislation. so there's a lot on nenee— in legislation. so there's a lot on ee— in legislation. so there's a lot of issues to discuss . in legislation. so there's a lot of issues to discuss. but at in legislation. so there's a lot of issues to discuss . but at the of issues to discuss. but at the newn— of issues to discuss. but at the neen en— of issues to discuss. but at the neen en ene— of issues to discuss. but at the heart of this, there— of issues to discuss. but at the heart of this, there are a couple— heart of this, there are a couple on— heart of this, there are a couple of 100,- heart of this, there are a couple of 100, 100,000 trans people— couple of 100, 100,000 trans people in— couple of 100, 100,000 trans people p. one— couple of 100, 100,000 trans people in the country who have rights— people in the country who have none acas, — people in the country who have rights acas, and _ people in the country who have rights acas, and they shouldn't wooe— rights acas, and they shouldn't woee onoee— rights acas, and they shouldn't lose those rights. in?» lose those rights. but i do just want to push back on this a little bit because i hear this pushback all the time. people will say, oh, there's such a tiny, tiny percentage of the uk that identifies in the census as trans or rest of it. so trans or the rest of it. so therefore a really tiny therefore it's a really tiny issue. would say back issue. what i would say back to that obviously the that is actually obviously the census historical thing. census is a historical thing.

now true. and what's now that's true. and what's actually going on the next census, i will be fascinated by how many people and what that difference is, because you have a narrative, particularly among younger people now, which is that it's kind of trans women are women. if you're a guy, you can just say that you're a woman. you can get your certificate. if people would, you know, could have their way and therefore now and therefore you are now a woman, you can it's almost like i almost it's as i almost feel like it's as ludicrous as people i ludicrous as people thinking i can this on can almost put this jacket on and now i'm a woman and you're not. and actually , i worry not. and actually, i worry because a lot of these young people that are struggling, they've got they need help and support in actually, you know, you're a guy, you're not a happy guy- you're a guy, you're not a happy guy. well, let's help you become a happy guy rather than what i feel and what i fear is that these children are are almost being encouraged to be, oh, you're a boy and you're not happy or well, guess what? if you say that you're a woman and you say that you're a woman and you and you have this you do this and you have this hormone and this, then hormone and this and this, then you'll be happy. i think one i

onene— you'll be happy. i think one i onink one— you'll be happy. i think one i think one thing— you'll be happy. i think one i think one thing on— you'll be happy. i think one i think one thing on on- cc i think one i think one thing on on which we absolutely— think one thing on on which we absolutely-agree- think one thing on on which we absolutely agree is that absolutely we both agree is that people— absolutely we both agree is that people wno— absolutely we both agree is that people wno one— absolutely we both agree is that people who are unhappy should be nelpel— people who are unhappy should be nelpellpe— people who are unhappy should be nelpeolpe noppw— people who are unhappy should be helped be happy and that helped to be happy and that people— helped to be happy and that people-oeeeee- helped to be happy and that people-access to. people who need access to pewenlolne— people who need access to psychiatric support , psychiatric support, psychotherapy, mental health eenleee— psychotherapy, mental health eenleee ,— psychotherapy, mental health eenleee , oe— psychotherapy, mental health services , as they— psychotherapy, mental health services , as they should get services, as they should get on— services, as they should get more of them— services, as they should get more of them ,_ services, as they should get more of them , and that we should more of them, and that we should nelp— more of them, and that we should nelp people— more of them, and that we should nelp people lo— more of them, and that we should help people to understand what is help people to understand what le making— help people to understand what is making unhappy. help people to understand what is making unhappy . there's is making them unhappy. there's nonw— is making them unhappy. there's many,-complicated- many, many complicated reasons why—unhappv-- many, many complicated reasons why—unhappv- let's. many, many complicated reasons why with unhappy. let's many, many complicated reasons why with their unhappy. let's many, many complicated reasons why with their dysphoria. let's deal with their dysphoria. let's leol— deal with their dysphoria. let's leol wlln— deal with their dysphoria. let's deal with lthey're _ deal with their dysphoria. let's deal with they're if they're deal with if they're if they're if deal with if they're if they're ln-aso — deal with if they're if they're ln-aso on— deal with if they're if they're if-asd or let's- deal with if they're if they're if asd or let's deal if they're asd or let's deal wlln — if they're asd or let's deal wlln lneln— if they're asd or let's deal with their asperger's , let's with their asperger's, let's leol— with their asperger's, let's deal-ell— with their asperger's, let's deal-all the - with their asperger's, let's deal all the things deal with all the things that are complicated— deal with all the things that are complicated their are complicated about their lwee— are complicated about their lweellel-e— are complicated about their lives,-let's let's- are complicated about their lives, let's let's let in lives, but let's let's let in we— lives, but let's let's let in lne enl— lives, but let's let's let in the end, people choose us and we— the end, people choose us and lne young— the end, people choose us and the young pewte— the end, people choose us and the young people , in my the young people, in my experience, _ the young people, in my experience, are very open, very lolenonl— experience, are very open, very tolerant of— experience, are very open, very tolerant of each— experience, are very open, very tolerant of each other . they tolerant of each other. they look— tolerant of each other. they look onen— tolerant of each other. they look after each _ tolerant of each other. they look after each other. they support— look after each other. they enppon epon— look after each other. they support each other's mental neolln— support each other's mental neolln ln— support each other's mental neolln n o— support each other's mental health in a way— support each other's mental health in a way that was eenolnlw— health in a way that was certainly not— health in a way that was certainly not true when i was at eenool— certainly not true when i was at eenool wnen— certainly not true when i was at eenool wnen l— certainly not true when i was at school, when i was— certainly not true when i was at school, when i was a young peon— school, when i was a young peon onl— school, when i was a young peon and l— school, when i was a young person and i do— school, when i was a young person and i do think we want people,— person and i do think we want people, py— person and i do think we want people, by one— person and i do think we want people, by and large, to be happy-— people, by and large, to be happy-ilet's_ people, by and large, to be happy. let's have a happy. so let's have a consultation- happy. so let's have a consultation if happy. so let's have a- consultation-if kim rye consultation on this. if kim rye pole— consultation on this. if kim rye pole-o— consultation on this. if kim rye pole-o gooe— consultation on this. if kim rye pole-o goon-we- consultation on this. if kim rye puts a good we can puts out a good paper, we can nove— puts out a good paper, we can have lconsultation.- puts out a good paper, we can have consultation. i want have a consultation. i want- everyone's-discussion. everyone's informed discussion. i everyone's informed discussion. l wont— everyone's informed discussion. l wonl eeonenw— everyone's informed discussion. i want everyone to _ everyone's informed discussion. i want everyone to be— everyone's informed discussion. i want everyone to be happy. i want in a happy want to exist in a happy society. there are also

society. but there are also bafic society. but there are also basic you know, it's basic facts which you know, it's almost the emperor's new almost like the emperor's new clothes. people these clothes. people rip up these facts, not facts, pretend that they're not a everyone nods along a thing, and everyone nods along in agreement and i worry. where does because if we're does this end? because if we're all there and nodding all sitting there and nodding along you can along and oh yeah, you can change sex change your biological sex and all rest it, what next all the rest of it, what next age is age going to be a construct that's just made up and actually a grown fella can sell identify a two sell identity, identify as a two year and might at year old, and you might look at your screen say, oh, shut your screen and say, oh, shut up, michelle, you're talking nonsense. don't nonsense. but i bet i don't know. however, many years ago if i'd know. however, many years ago if no nove— know. however, many years ago if no nowe solel— know. however, many years ago if no nowe solo-eon— however, many years ago if i'd have said, can change i'd have said, you can change wow— i'd have said, you can change wow plolopw— i'd have said, you can change wow plolopw wel— i'd have said, you can change your biology just because you say—thought. your biology just because you sow—lnonpnl l| your biology just because you. say—thought i was say so, you'd have thought i was lullenone. — say so, you'd have thought i was ludicrous. _there's- say so, you'd have thought i was ludicrous. _there'sllot. say so, you'd have thought i was ludicrous. then there's a lot of men identify as england men who identify as england players. well, i'll leave you to ponder.— players. well, i'll leave you to ponlen l-ll— players. well, i'll leave you to ponder. i'll leave— players. well, i'll leave you to ponder. i'll leave you- well, i'll leave you to ponder. i'll leave you to ponder lnol— ponder. i'll leave you to ponder not one— ponder. i'll leave you to ponder lnol 0ne-.90in9_ ponder. i'll leave you to ponder that one. going take that one. i'm going to take a opulen— that one. i'm going to take a punk-wnen- that one. i'm going to take a punk-wnen l- that one. i'm going to take a quick when i come back, quick break. when i come back, len— quick break. when i come back, new sterner— quick break. when i come back, keir starmer three— quick break. when i come back, keir starmer three years in the job,— keir starmer three years in the pop, lo— keir starmer three years in the pop, do you— keir starmer three years in the pop, oo won-le- keir starmer three years in the job, do you-is our- keir starmer three years in the job, do you is our next job, do you reckon is our next enme— job, do you reckon is our next prime minister— job, do you reckon is our next prime minister or— job, do you reckon is our next prime minister or not? see you .

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coming up on dan wootton tonight, we'll bring you the latest the astonishing arrest latest on the astonishing arrest of former chief exec of the snp's former chief exec and nicola sturgeon's husband, peter murrell . plus, us media peter murrell. plus, us media superstar megan kelly, who famously clashed with donald trump, reacts to the historic charges brought against the ex—president . it charges brought against the ex—president. it joined an tory deputy chair, lee anderson, and more of britain's top commentators. 9 to 11 pm. on gb news britain's news . channel commentators. 9 to 11 pm. on gb news britain's news. channel hi there, i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, john mcternan through till 7:00 tonight. - alongside me, john mcternan is a polllleol— alongside me, john mcternan is a political strategist— alongside me, john mcternan is a political strategist and a former— political strategist and a former adviser to tony blair, onl— former adviser to tony blair, and newl— former adviser to tony blair, and david caton_ former adviser to tony blair, and david caton is the leader of the and david caton is the leader of lne nenloge— and david caton is the leader of the heritage party.— and david caton is the leader of the heritage party. keep your lnongnle— the heritage party. keep your thoughts coming in. i have to say— thoughts coming in. i have to eow lnene-e— thoughts coming in. i have to say there's pretty— thoughts coming in. i have to say there's pretty much no agreement— say there's pretty much no agreement whatsoever with the statement— agreement whatsoever with the statement about— agreement whatsoever with the statement about uk being , you statement about uk being, you know,— statement about uk being, you know o— statement about uk being, you lnow o lonely— statement about uk being, you know, a fondly fundamentally nonl— know, a fondly fundamentally racist state. _ know, a fondly fundamentally racist state. that's good because— racist state. that's good because it— racist state. that's good because it means that you guys are

because it means that you guys lnlnllng— because it means that you guys are thinking common sense out were,— are thinking common sense out lnene, wnen— are thinking common sense out lnene, wnlen l— are thinking common sense out there, which i like.— are thinking common sense out there, which i like. so that's lllenollw— there, which i like. so that's lllenollw l— there, which i like. so that's literally i can't— there, which i like. so that's literally i can't find anyone lnol— literally i can't find anyone not loee— literally i can't find anyone that does agree— literally i can't find anyone that does agree with that statement— that does agree with that statement at— that does agree with that statement at all. bernard is eowlnp— statement at all. bernard is eowlnp lnol— statement at all. bernard is saying that everything these lowe— saying that everything these lowe pnelw— saying that everything these days pretty much seems to be nonl— days pretty much seems to be noelel onl— days pretty much seems to be racist and everyone and i think wow— racist and everyone and i think wow polnl— racist and everyone and i think your point there— racist and everyone and i think your point there is— racist and everyone and i think your point there is when ewenwlnlnp-e— your point there is when everything's racist and what is oelnollw— everything's racist and what is actually racist?— everything's racist and what is actually racist? your thoughts? keep— actually racist? your thoughts? keep lnen— actually racist? your thoughts? keep them coming in. philip says this keep them coming in. philip says the le— keep them coming in. philip says the le ell— keep them coming in. philip says this is all john's— keep them coming in. philip says this is all john's doing. a kiss sterner. — this is all john's doing. a kiss sterner. ne— this is all john's doing. a kiss starmer. he said— this is all john's doing. a kiss starmer. he said that a man eon-l— starmer. he said that a man cant be— starmer. he said that a man cant be e— starmer. he said that a man can't be a biological woman. and i can't be a biological woman. and l lnlnl— can't be a biological woman. and l lnlnl won— can't be a biological woman. and i think you raise— can't be a biological woman. and i think you raise an— can't be a biological woman. and i think you raise an interesting polnl— i think you raise an interesting polnl, lnonpn— i think you raise an interesting point, though, because it has been— point, though, because it has been lnnee— point, though, because it has been three years— point, though, because it has been three years since keir sterner— been three years since keir starmer took— been three years since keir starmer took the reins of the labour— starmer took the reins of the lopow nonw— starmer took the reins of the labour party. there's many polle— labour party. there's many polle, newer— labour party. there's many polls, never been asked. my oplnlon— polls, never been asked. my oplnlon ln— polls, never been asked. my oplnlon n o— polls, never been asked. my opinion in a poll— polls, never been asked. my opinion in a poll ever. i don't even know anyone has. and even know anyone who has. and ewew— even know anyone who has. and ewew-l— even know anyone who has. and ewenw-l loll— even know anyone who has. and every-i talk about- even know anyone who has. and every i talk about polls every time i talk about polls i do feel— every time i talk about polls i do feellneed_ every time i talk about polls i do feellneed to— every time i talk about polls i do feel need to point this do feel a need to point this out:— do feel a need to point this ow, poww— do feel a need to point this out, david, because all these polle— out, david, because all these polle l— out, david, because all these polle l nnl— out, david, because all these polls i find them— out, david, because all these polls i find them very odd because— polls i find them very odd because-don't- polls i find them very odd because-don't it because they don't know who it is because they don't know who it le—polllnp. - because they don't know who it le—polllnp. ow- is that they're polling. but onwwow, — is that they're polling. but anyway, _labour is that they're polling. but- anyway,_labour 20, anyway, apparently labour 20, 20,-points— anyway, apparently labour 20, 20,-points ahead- anyway, apparently labour 20, 20, points ahead of the 20, 20 points ahead of the tones— 20, 20 points ahead of the tories starmer's- 20, 20 points ahead of the tories starmer's personal nonpo— tories starmer's personal ratings perhaps not so good . ratings perhaps not so good. enlw— ratings perhaps not so good. enlw l— ratings perhaps not so good. enlw l n— ratings perhaps not so good. onlw l n s— ratings perhaps not so good. only 1 in 5 brits— ratings perhaps not so good. only 1 in 5 brits apparently eonellen—

only 1 in 5 brits apparently consider starmer to have been a weal— consider starmer to have been a weal on— consider starmer to have been a pneol on pool— consider starmer to have been a great or good leader of the partv- _ great or good leader of the ponw. _w— great or good leader of the ponw. -lo won- great or good leader of the party. do you reckon? is party. what do you reckon? is len— party. what do you reckon? is keir starmer— party. what do you reckon? is keir starmer doing a good job? john-7— keir starmer doing a good job? john? le— keir starmer doing a good job? john? le ne— keir starmer doing a good job? john? is he going— keir starmer doing a good job? john? is he going to be our next enme— john? is he going to be our next prime minister— john? is he going to be our next prime minister or— john? is he going to be our next prime minister or what? look i lnlnl— prime minister or what? look i lnlnl wnen— prime minister or what? look i think when you— prime minister or what? look i think when you take a party lnol-e— think when you take a party were now— think when you take a party that's had its— think when you take a party that's had its worst defeat elnee— that's had its worst defeat lne— that's had its worst defeat since the 1930— that's had its worst defeat since the 1930 and turn it wowe— since the 1930 and turn it around ln— since the 1930 and turn it around in just— since the 1930 and turn it around in just three years, to nove— around in just three years, to leave o— around in just three years, to leave o zo— around in just three years, to have a 20 point— around in just three years, to have a 20 point lead, you've got to say— have a 20 point lead, you've got to sow len— have a 20 point lead, you've got to say keir starmer— have a 20 point lead, you've got to say keir starmer was doing eonelnlne— to say keir starmer was doing something right.— to say keir starmer was doing something right. ': to say keir starmer was doing something right. ' z to say keir starmer was doing something right. ' “2 “ something right. and he's been in poll lead for five over in the poll lead for five over 500 days now. and the consistent 20 lead been there 20 point lead has been there since rishi sunak replaced liz truss. so the liz truss effect was like a 30 point lead for laboun was like a 30 point lead for labour, but it settled down at 20 point lead and so yeah, look, yes, there's some people say that rishi is a better prime minister. the thing is people you say jim callaghan was a better prime minister than margaret thatcher. opposition leaders find it really hard to look prime ministerial because they're in 10. they're not in number 10. they're doing pmqs, they're they're not doing pmqs, they're not meeting world leaders . so not meeting world leaders. so i think doing a great job and think he's doing a great job and he will be the next prime minister. this is, i think, the pubuc minister. this is, i think, the public have decided it's time for and comes out

for a change and that comes out of groups all the time. of focus groups all the time. now people go , why do now that people just go, why do you labour so why you give labour a chance? so why do assume that your mind, do you assume that in your mind, in your as the public have decided it's time for change? decided it's time for a change? and do you then and why do you then automatically equate that change and why do you then au being cally equate that change and why do you then au being right? uate that change and why do you then— au being right? labourat change and why do you then— au being right? labour is change and why do you then— au being right? labour is alange and why do you then— au being right? labour is a shoe to being right? labour is a shoo in because live in a first in because we live in a first past the post electoral system where there's two main parties. do think tories or the do you think the tories or the lopowe— do you think the tories or the lopowe oo— do you think the tories or the labour? do you— do you think the tories or the labour? do you think we should? ween—on— labour? do you think we should? ween—of elong- yeah, i'm in favour of strong notorlllee— yeah, i'm in favour of strong majorities. governments majorities. give governments lnol— majorities. give governments lnol eon— majorities. give governments that can make— majorities. give governments that can make decisive actions. i-pr_ that can make decisive actions. l-nn leole— that can make decisive actions. i pr leads coalitions i think pr leads to coalitions onl— i think pr leads to coalitions one we— i think pr leads to coalitions and the voters— i think pr leads to coalitions and the voters don't get a government— and the voters don't get a government vote for. they government they vote for. they get-government,- government they vote for. they get government, the get the government, the politicians— get the government, the- politicians—should politicians decide they should pel— politicians decide they should pel- newl— politicians decide they should get. david kurten i don't see any— get. david kurten i don't see any difference— get. david kurten i don't see any difference between any difference really between the any difference really between lne—lopow- any difference really between the—labour at- any difference really between the labour at the the tories and labour at the owl— the tories and labour at the moment-dems. the tories and labour at the. moment-dems and the tories and labour at the- moment-dems and green moment or the lib dems and green and moment or the lib dems and green one-eneene. — moment or the lib dems and green and-greens. ithink- moment or the lib dems and green and-greens. ithink you- moment or the lib dems and green and greens. and the greens. i think you know what's happening is there is what's happening is if there is a general election now, labour will and that's frightening will win and that's frightening because you've got keir starmer as the leader who can't properly define a woman as we said before, but i think reason before, but i think the reason why they're the lead is not why they're in the lead is not because people are flocking to labour because they're terrible , it's because are

, it's because people are leaving the tories in droves. their core voters are so disgust with them because every election they say and sound conservative, they say and sound conservative, they say and sound conservative, they say conservative things, you know what they're doing at the moment. they're promising to deal with mass immigration and so on. they're coming out with these gimmicks. the last time they they're they said, you know, they're going to make the best of brexit, but then we've had sort of the lockdown situation. they've been terrible at looking after the economy . they're woke, after the economy. they're woke, they're into net zero and climate alarmism , which has climate alarmism, which has ruined our energy supply system andifs ruined our energy supply system and it's put energy prices up through the roof. so i think a lot of their own voters are just abandoned them now. so they're losing their vote. their vote is dropping and collapsing . labour dropping and collapsing. labour is steady in its vote, but i think people are going to leave them as well because they are so woke and so politically correct that people really are looking for alternative that is not for an alternative that is not tory or labour. are you ? are you tory or labour. are you? are you looking for tory or labour. are you? are you loollnp for on— tory or labour. are you? are you looking for an alternative-

7 are you looking for an alternative that is looking for an alternative that le not— looking for an alternative that le nol torv— looking for an alternative that le nol tory on— looking for an alternative that is not tory or labour? do you lnlnl— is not tory or labour? do you lnlnl ll-ll— is not tory or labour? do you think it'll happen— is not tory or labour? do you think it'll happen any time snoo— think it'll happen any time soon? we've— think it'll happen any time soon? we've just been talking about— soon? we've just been talking about we— soon? we've just been talking about the fact— soon? we've just been talking about the fact we— soon? we've just been talking about the fact we have a first peel— about the fact we have a first peel-pool— about the fact we have a first past - post system - about the fact we have a first past post system should we? past the post system should we? ano— past the post system should we? anl le— past the post system should we? anl le len— past the post system should we? and is keir starmer— past the post system should we? and is keir starmer the man for the and is keir starmer the man for lne job— and is keir starmer the man for lne job for— and is keir starmer the man for we job for wow— and is keir starmer the man for the job for you? your thoughts onl— the job for you? your thoughts and l-ll— the job for you? your thoughts and i'll-back— the job for you? your thoughts and i'll-back with- the job for you? your thoughts and i'll back with those and i'll come back with those lnlo— and i'll come back with those lnlo .—

hi there i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, john mcternan through till 7:00 tonight. - alongside me, john mcternan is the alongside me, john mcternan is lne polllleol— alongside me, john mcternan is the political strategist and a tonne— the political strategist and a former-lo— the political strategist and a former-to tony- the political strategist and a former to tony blair and former adviser to tony blair and newl— former adviser to tony blair and pawl leen— former adviser to tony blair and david kurten is— former adviser to tony blair and david kurten is a— former adviser to tony blair and david kurten is a leader of the nenloee— david kurten is a leader of the nenlope nonw. — david kurten is a leader of the heritage party. volt; ”l; “g heritage party. we're talking about keir starmer , whether or about keir starmer, whether or not he's the man for the job and whether you would vote labour next of you agreeing next time. many of you agreeing with the that you've just with the point that you've just made what you're saying made. david, what you're saying oewollw— made. david, what you're saying oewollw-nol— made. david, what you're saying actually-not much- actually there's not much difference _ actually there's not much difference between labour and tory-— difference between labour and tow-wore— difference between labour and tow-wore o- difference between labour and tory. that's a sense tory. i think that's a sense lnol— tory. i think that's a sense that-feeling- tory. i think that's a sense that-feeling in- tory. i think that's a sense that feeling in my inbox as that i'm feeling in my inbox as well— that i'm feeling in my inbox as well one— that i'm feeling in my inbox as well one of— that i'm feeling in my inbox as well. one of the— that i'm feeling in my inbox as well. one of the things that

enclo— well. one of the things that ellele ln— well. one of the things that ellele ln nw— well. one of the things that sticks in my mind about keir sp..me.,_ sticks in my mind about keir spam. ne— sticks in my mind about keir starmer, he was— sticks in my mind about keir starmer, he was asked a really pwel— starmer, he was asked a really pnlel-pneellon— starmer, he was asked a really quick-question at- starmer, he was asked a really quick question at the end quick fire question at the end of quick fire question at the end on o— quick fire question at the end on o poleoel— quick fire question at the end of a podcast-he- quick fire question at the end of a podcast he was asked of a podcast and he was asked nowoe— of a podcast and he was asked davos westminster and he davos or westminster and he enoee— davos or westminster and he enoee-onl— davos or westminster and he enoee-onl l— davos or westminster and he chose and i thought that chose davos and i thought that wenw— chose davos and i thought that venw ole— chose davos and i thought that venw oll . — chose davos and i thought that was very odd . the- chose davos and i thought that was very odd . “g was very odd. the skiing is great in davos. yeah, but i'm not.— great in davos. yeah, but i'm not. nee— great in davos. yeah, but i'm not. ne-e not— great in davos. yeah, but i'm not. he's not trying- great in davos. yeah, but i'm not. he's not trying to- gospel “ l yeah, but i'm not. he's not trying to battle ow— not. he's not trying to battle ow lo— not. he's not trying to battle ow to be— not. he's not trying to battle out to be the— not. he's not trying to battle out to be the britain's best onen— out to be the britain's best ellen .— out to be the britain's best one. we— out to be the britain's best skier. he also— out to be the britain's best skier. he also wants to be on a polllleol— skier. he also wants to be on a political podcast. _ skier. he also wants to be on a political podcast. li; political podcast. he also wants to represent. i've not heard that podcast. he wants to represent britain at the highest levels possible. and i think it's look, levels possible. and i think it's thing look, levels possible. and i think it's thing about look, levels possible. and i think it's thing about about look, levels possible. and i think it's thing about about keirwk, levels possible. and i think it's thing about about keir is the thing about about keir is the thing about about keir is the country's looked at the tories, it's seen the tories the country's looked at the torierfailed;een the tories the country's looked at the torierfailed on1 the tories the country's looked at the torierfailed on thee tories the country's looked at the torierfailed on the health. have failed on the health service, crime, failed service, failed on crime, failed on failed on inflation, on borders, failed on inflation, failed the economy. they failed on the economy. they think a change. think it's time for a change. and keir has got policies in every single one those areas. every single one of those areas. right. let me ask you this. if lopow— right. let me ask you this. if lopowllne— right. let me ask you this. if labour the answer right, all labour is the answer right, all the labour is the answer right, all lne eonnlnw-e— labour is the answer right, all the country's ills— labour is the answer right, all the country's ills ,_ labour is the answer right, all the country's ills , why is wales the country's ills, why is wales , wnen— the country's ills, why is wales , wnlen le— the country's ills, why is wales , which is under— the country's ills, why is wales , which is under labour rule and noe— , which is under labour rule and noe been— , which is under labour rule and noe peen non— , which is under labour rule and has been for what,— , which is under labour rule and has been for what, two decades plne— has been for what, two decades plne not— has been for what, two decades plne not we— has been for what, two decades plus not this beacon of wonderfulness that we can all look— wonderfulness that we can all look ol— wonderfulness that we can all look at one— wonderfulness that we can all look at and go,— wonderfulness that we can all look at and go, whoa, look at wol— look at and go, whoa, look at not. wot-e— look at and go, whoa, look at that. that's what— look at and go, whoa, look at that. that's what we need people— that. that's what we need

because the _ that. that's what we need because the economy, which ones— because the economy, which drives almost— because the economy, which drives almost everything and pnolwllwlw— drives almost everything and productivity and— drives almost everything and productivity and growth , which productivity and growth, which ones— productivity and growth, which drives almost— productivity and growth, which drives almost all— productivity and growth, which drives almost all our ability openl— drives almost all our ability epenl on— drives almost all our ability spend on public— drives almost all our ability spend on public services, that's lelennlnel— spend on public services, that's lelennlnel ow— spend on public services, that's determined by the _ spend on public services, that's determined by the uk government . woolen— determined by the uk government . wnen wlll— determined by the uk government . wales will only— determined by the uk government . wales will only recover- . wales will only recover economically with a labour government. but you're not answering. but but labour is neeponelple— answering. but but labour is responsible for— answering. but but labour is responsible for so— “3 but but labour is responsible for so many policies in responsible for so many policies ln wales,— responsible for so many policies in wales, including , for in wales, including, for example,— in wales, including, for example, p— in wales, including, for example, it could change taxes onl— example, it could change taxes one all— example, it could change taxes one all we— example, it could change taxes and all the rest— example, it could change taxes and all the rest of— example, it could change taxes and all the rest of it if it wanted— and all the rest of it if it wanted to — and all the rest of it if it wanted to. _ and all the rest of it if it wanted to. and- and all the rest of it if it wanted to. ' 2 and all the rest of it if it wanted to. “2 and all the rest of it if it wanted to. ' “2 and all the rest of it if it- wanted to. and this is the bit that i don't understand. if it was such if labour policies and all of us, it was so good and the answer cannot be as simple as, oh, it's the uk government's fault because if the uk, if wales is only as good as the uk government, then is the government, then what is the point devolution point in having devolution to labour wales? well, labour then in wales? well, clearly the well, the- 2 “cl" “ 7 well, clearly the well, the wales llelen— clearly the well, the wales welsh labour— clearly the well, the wales welsh labour have in power welsh labour have been in power forlsince— welsh labour have been in power for-since devolution— welsh labour have been in power for since devolution . they're for in since devolution. they're ellll— for in since devolution. they're ellll popww— for in since devolution. they're still popular wales in wales is going— still popular wales in wales is going lo— still popular wales in wales is polnp lo vole— still popular wales in wales is polnp lo vole 6— still popular wales in wales is going to vote 6 or— still popular wales in wales is going to vote 6 or 7. tory mps ow— going to vote 6 or 7. tory mps ow ol— going to vote 6 or 7. tory mps ow at we— going to vote 6 or 7. tory mps out at the next— going to vote 6 or 7. tory mps out at the next election on ennenl— out at the next election on current polls.— out at the next election on current polls. so- out at the next election on current polls. so labour is very popular— current polls. so labour is very popular lnene— current polls. so labour is very popular lnene .— current polls. so labour is very popular there . whatever the popular there. whatever the llelen— popular there. whatever the welsh assembly government is long— welsh assembly government is

long le— welsh assembly government is lolnp le popnlw— welsh assembly government is doing is popular with the own.— doing is popular with the eonnlnw. lne— doing is popular with the country. the health service they lelwen— country. the health service they lelwen le— country. the health service they deliver is popular— country. the health service they deliver is popular with the eonnlnw. — deliver is popular with the eonnlnw. pp...— deliver is popular with the country. the education service lnew— country. the education service lnew-le— country. the education service lnew-le popnlw- country. the education service. they-is popular-the they deliver is popular with the eonnlnw. — they deliver is popular with the country-policies- they deliver is popular with the country. policies are country. the skills policies are popular.— country. the skills policies are. popnlon—llolee popular. the country. but wales wlll— popular. the country. but wales wlll-neeowen- popular. the country. but wales will-recover in- popular. the country. but wales will-recover in the. will only fully recover in the wow— will only fully recover in the same way that— will only fully recover in the same way that the places in the red same way that the places in the eel well— same way that the places in the red wall seats— same way that the places in the red wall seats that— same way that the places in the red wall seats that need to be levelled— red wall seats that need to be lewellel up.— red wall seats that need to be levelled up. they'll only recover when _ levelled up. they'll only recover when there's a proper eononnw— recover when there's a proper eononnw onl— recover when there's a proper economy and there's proper with redistribution. _ economy and there's proper with redistribution. it— economy and there's proper with redistribution. 2 economy and there's proper with redistribution. e 2 redistribution. it does not wash with me and no one can ever answer that simple question. everyone that flies the flag for labour whenever i to them. labour whenever i put to them. what the wales situation what about the wales situation then? because many aspects of wales comes to wales are worse when it comes to performance i performance than england, i never get straight never really get a straight answer other than to blame someone else. and would that be the track that you would have if you got keir starmer? it's not his fault. it's someone else's fault. don't i'll leave fault. i don't know. i'll leave it to decide. let's talk it to you to decide. let's talk camilla, shall we? queen camilla just before we off. she's camilla, shall we? queen camilla just bto re we off. she's camilla, shall we? queen camilla just bto be ne off. she's camilla, shall we? queen camilla just bto be known, off. she's camilla, shall we? queen camilla just bto be known, ofi she's camilla, shall we? queen camilla just bto be known, ofi said,; camilla, shall we? queen camilla just bto be known, ofi said, as going to be known, as i said, as queen, not queen consort what is that the right move ? i don't that the right move? i don't think anyone really- 2 g“ 7 i don't think anyone really minds to be nonwo— think anyone really minds to be noneel. l— think anyone really minds to be honest. i mean,— think anyone really minds to be honest. i mean, i— think anyone really minds to be honest. i mean, i think she's going— honest. i mean, i think she's goinglbe_ honest. i mean, i think she's going-be referred- honest. i mean, i think she's going be referred to as going to be referred to as open—

going to be referred to as queen-ner- going to be referred to as queen, her official title is queen, but her official title is ellll— queen, but her official title is ellll polnp— queen, but her official title is ellll polnp lo— queen, but her official title is still going to be— queen, but her official title is still going to be queen consort. so still going to be queen consort. so-lnow— still going to be queen consort. so-know,-much- still going to be queen consort. so-know,-much.a- so you know, it's much of a muchness, really. - so you know, it's much of a muchness, really. think what muchness, really. i think what concerns me far— muchness, really. i think what concerns me far more about cnwlee— concerns me far more about cnwlee onl— concerns me far more about charles and camilla is how that lnew-ne— charles and camilla is how that they're dabbling— charles and camilla is how that they're dabbling in politics more now than— they're dabbling in politics more now than what has happened before.— more now than what has happened before. you— more now than what has happened before. you know,— more now than what has happened before. you know, and i think lnew-ne— before. you know, and i think lnew-ne pwle— before. you know, and i think they're quite into— before. you know, and i think they're quite into into lined wlln— they're quite into into lined wlln lne— they're quite into into lined with the world— they're quite into into lined with the world economic forum , with the world economic forum, ellnole— with the world economic forum, climate alarmism _ with the world economic forum, climate alarmism and net zero one— climate alarmism and net zero one lneee— climate alarmism and net zero and these kind— climate alarmism and net zero and these kind of— climate alarmism and net zero and these kind of agendas which are and these kind of agendas which polllleol— and these kind of agendas which polllleol l— and these kind of agendas which are political, i think they need to slow— are political, i think they need to slow ow— are political, i think they need lo elow ow on— are political, i think they need to stay out of that. and that's far to stay out of that. and that's for noe— to stay out of that. and that's for on— to stay out of that. and that's for on o— to stay out of that. and that's far more of a concern for me lnon— far more of a concern for me lnon wnelnen— far more of a concern for me than whether camilla's called queen— than whether camilla's called queen on— than whether camilla's called queen or queen. _ than whether camilla's called queen or queen. i think. i think the problem— queen or queen. i think. i think the problem lo.— queen or queen. i think. i think the problem is, you know, we have a monarch and it's a queen under queen queen elizabeth. it was a queen under queen victoria. it's a king with king charles the spouse of the monarch isn't a queen or a king. the spouse of the monarch isn't a monarch. we only have one monarch. you can't be a queen unless you unless you are the monarch. so i think it's wrong for her to get the title. prince philip was happy to be the, you know, prince philip. camilla could a princess. they could

could be a princess. they could give her a title of . and i think give her a title of. and i think that would be far more appropriate because it's not for buckingham palace, it's not for appropriate because it's not for buckingiam palace, it's not for appropriate because it's not for bucking loi palace, it's not for appropriate because it's not for bucking to choose 5, it's not for appropriate because it's not for bucking to choose 5, it'ltitle for appropriate because it's not for bucking to choose 5, it'ltitle ofr the king to choose the title of his consort is actually we have a constitutional monarchy and the monarchy is there at the at the monarchy is there at the at the will and the wish of parliament. they were restored by parliament. but they're they're they have their pay from parliament, the civil list. so i think we should keep her as the queen consort. well, the palace queen consult. well, the palace has queen consort. well, the palace noe enl— queen cunsult. well, the palace has said queen— queen cunsult. well, the palace has said queen consort- ©2012; “ f well, the palace has said queen consort is conlllo-e— has said queen consort is camilla's rank,- has said queen consort is camilla's rank, while queen will be new— camilla's rank, while queen will be nenlllle. — camilla's rank, while queen will be her title. you— camilla's rank, while queen will be her title. you say- camilla's rank, while queen will be her title. /2l. be her title. you say that nobody cares. by the way, there's real strong feelings . there's real strong feelings. helen says it's abhorrent that the woman broke charles's the woman who broke charles's marriage and all the rest of it should be now called our queen. so and that view coming so and that view is coming through other viewers through with other viewers as well. the past well. so actually, the past is not forgotten a lot of you not forgotten for a lot of you or maybe you welcome camilla or maybe you do welcome camilla as and it's for as the queen. and it's time for as the queen. and it's time for a brand new start. as the queen. and it's time for a brand new start . look, that as the queen. and it's time for a brand new start. look, that is all i've got. for. time thank you much your company. you very much for your company. and thank you, gents, well and thank you, gents, as well for i am off now. i'm for yours. i am off now. i'm going to a caravan in skegness

to be precise, for easter. can you think of a better treat? a better holiday? hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest broadcast from the met office. there is quite a lot of cloud the uk at the of cloud across the uk at the moment. outbreaks of rain followed by heavy showers, but moment. outbreaks of rain fo should by heavy showers, but moment. outbreaks of rain fo should by hldrier;howers, but moment. outbreaks of rain fo should by hldrier from rs, but moment. outbreaks of rain fo should by hldrier from friday it should turn drier from friday and into the easter weekend. low pressure in charge at the moment, cloudier, moment, bringing that cloudier, wetter will wetter weather. but we will see through into good friday and into the weekend. high pressure starting settles starting to move in, settles things for down the vast majority of the weekend . and so majority of the weekend. and so this evening, a lot of cloud across the uk outbreaks of rain pushing slowly eastward. some heavier bursts turning heavier bursts possible turning dfier heavier bursts possible turning drier into the early hours from the west . but the risk of some the west. but the risk of some heavy showers, particularly over northern ireland during the early hours, temperatures holding up well above freezing due the cloud and outbreaks due to the cloud and outbreaks of rain . but it means quite of rain. but it means quite a grey start to thursday morning. we will see some glimmers of sunshine and the sunshine in the north and the west. be also west. but this will be also accompanied by some heavy showers. and as we move through the the will the day, the showers will develop particularly across develop, particularly across

england of them england and wales. some of them could be heavy and thundery at times to just times. rain continuing to just hold on to the northern isles, but best to sunnier weather but best to the sunnier weather across and northern across scotland and northern ireland. temperatures reaching the across the uk into the mid—teens across the uk into the mid—teens across the uk into the evening time on thursday. we see an increased risk of those showers turning to longer spells of rain across eastern parts of england. but overnight out, we'll see clearing skies for the rest of the uk under those clear skies, temperatures will start to drop away and we'll see a frost returning, particularly across parts of northern ireland into scotland. temperatures here falling to freezing, if not below, but just holding up in the south—east where we hold on to cloud and rain. so it'll to that cloud and rain. so it'll be a bit of a cloudy start across the far southeast to begin friday morning. and then generally, vast majority begin friday morning. and then getheilly, vast majority begin friday morning. and then gethe day, vast majority begin friday morning. and then gethe day, blue vast majority begin friday morning. and then gethe day, blue skies majority begin friday morning. and then gethe day, blue skies forijority begin friday morning. and then gethe day, blue skies for much of the day, blue skies for much of the day, blue skies for much of the day, blue skies for much of the uk though, across east and counties of england, thicker cloud , patchy light rain and cloud, patchy light rain and drizzle is possible at times. temperatures again around the mid teens and it stays settled into the weekend. further sunny

spells temperatures above average .

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