called suella braverman . the called suella braverman. the latest today is that she's got things wrong when it comes to the windrush generation . an of the windrush generation. an of course, she's been called racist over grooming gangs. all of that over grooming gangs. all of that over the barge. that's cruel, inhumane , inhumane, apparently. inhumane, inhumane, apparently. do you agree? then should we scrap green levies to reduce our energy costs ? our energy bills energy costs? our energy bills continue to be extortionate. apparently we've got some of the highest levies on our bills out of any eu country. highest levies on our bills out of any eu country . should we of any eu country. should we just go ahead and scrap them just go ahead and scrap them just to reduce our bills, even if it is only by a small amount? we'll be getting stuck into that and then finally, child benefit , should we scrap the two child limit ? at the , should we scrap the two child limit? at the moment you can only have child benefit for your first two children, but we want more babies, don't we? in this country? so should we scrap that limit and allow people to have unlimited benefits for unlimited children ? let me know what you

children? let me know what you think. all of that to come. but first, let's get the news headunes first, let's get the news headlines with polly . emily, headlines with polly. emily, thank you. good evening. the top story— thank you. good evening. the top story on— thank you. good evening. the top story on ea— thank you. good evening. the top story on ea news— good evening. the top story on gb news tonight, efforts— story on gb news tonight, efforts to— story on gb news tonight, efforts to weed— story on gb news tonight, efforts to weed out hundreds of potentially— efforts to weed out hundreds of potentially corrupt police officers— potentially corrupt police officers from _ potentially corrupt police officers from britain's biggest force— officers from britain's biggest force are underway. counter torrortsrr— force are underway. counter terrorism officers, along with those— terrorism officers, along with those who— terrorism officers, along with those who tackle serious orgortsot— those who tackle serious organised crime , have been organised crime, have been trotted— organised crime, have been trottot tr— organised crime, have been drafted in to— organised crime, have been drafted in to help clean up the motropotttort— drafted in to help clean up the metropolitan police force of trott— metropolitan police force of more than 1000— metropolitan police force of more than 1000 cases, nearly 700 out— more than 1000 cases, nearly 700 wttt row— more than 1000 cases, nearly 700 wttt to— more than 1000 cases, nearly 700 will now be reassessed . but with will now be reassessed. but with otmost— will now be reassessed. but with otrrost zoo— will now be reassessed. but with almost 200 referred to formal rtst— almost 200 referred to formal risk management— almost 200 referred to formal risk management or vetting form . a sortor— risk management or vetting form . a senior investigating officer at tho— . a senior investigating officer ot the met,— . a senior investigating officer at the met, simon harding, says votttrto— at the met, simon harding, says totttrtg stottt— at the met, simon harding, says vetting should be— at the met, simon harding, says vetting should be an absolute prtortty— vetting should be an absolute prtortty. — vetting should be an absolute priority . we've— vetting should be an absolute priority . �*ft�*tz; " vetting should be an absolute priority . " priority. we've taken away that kind of process of vetting, which which helped identify people at a very early stage. us people would get through when you cross over from force to force because you're already sort of branded, if you like, a police officer. the vetting

levels aren't necessarily as high as they would be. so and that can cause a problem. but the intelligence that that comes with person should follow with that person should follow them, and should them, obviously, and you should be able to see that. but you know, i still think there's and i does the level i think everyone does the level of be much, of vetting needs to be much, much stronger. police in northern— much stronger. police in northern ireland- rt 3 police in northern ireland are warning trott— northern ireland are warning their officers— northern ireland are warning their officers could be targeted by ttssttorts— their officers could be targeted by dissidents londonderry on by dissidents in londonderry on taster— by dissidents in londonderry on easter monday. _ by dissidents in londonderry on easter monday. that's after m15 rotsot— easter monday. that's after m15 rotsot tro— easter monday. that's after m15 raised the terrorism threat tovot— raised the terrorism threat tovot tr— raised the terrorism threat level in the _ raised the terrorism threat level in the country to severe tottowtrtg— level in the country to severe following the _ level in the country to severe following the shooting of senior notosttvo— following the shooting of senior detective john— following the shooting of senior detective john caldwell, osststortt— detective john caldwell, assistant chief constable bobby strgtotor— assistant chief constable bobby strgtotor says— assistant chief constable bobby singleton says the service has rosewoo— singleton says the service has received strong _ singleton says the service has received strong intelligence trot— received strong intelligence that attacks— received strong intelligence that attacks are— received strong intelligence that attacks are being planned. our that attacks are being planned. out police— that attacks are being planned. our police officers— that attacks are being planned. our police officers and- that attacks are being planned. our police officers and some police staff had already been subject to leave restrictions for this period and anticipation of what might have happened. but again, given the severe terrorist threat we've seen it, the need, the necessity , if you the need, the necessity, if you like, to move to that 12 hour shift pattern to maximise the number of officers that we have operationally available to provide operating

provide a safe operating environment, not only for our policing operations, but of course extension to maintain course by extension to maintain the safety and security of members of the public as well . members of the public as well. labour has described a plan to house asylum seekers on a barge or disused military bases as evidence of failure. that's after the government- :f that's after the government confirmed it's after the government confirmed tt-s stgrot— after the government confirmed tt-s stgrot o— after the government confirmed it's signed a deal— after the government confirmed it's signed a deal to use the tttt— it's signed a deal to use the bibi stockholm _ it's signed a deal to use the bibi stockholm in dorset, which can accommodate— bibi stockholm in dorset, which can accommodate about 500 people-_ can accommodate about 500 people- tro— can accommodate about 500 people. the plans are designed to tree— people. the plans are designed to tree up— people. the plans are designed to free up hotel— people. the plans are designed to free up hotel bars, which are surrortty— to free up hotel bars, which are currently housing— to free up hotel bars, which are currently housing more than 50,000— currently housing more than 50,000 asylum _ currently housing more than 50,000 asylum seekers waiting for 50,000 asylum seekers waiting tor trott— 50,000 asylum seekers waiting for their claims— 50,000 asylum seekers waiting for their claims to— 50,000 asylum seekers waiting for their claims to be processed . str— for their claims to be processed . str tott— for their claims to be processed . sir keir starmer_ for their claims to be processed . sir keir starmer says the government— . sir keir starmer says the government needs to get a grip on tho— government needs to get a grip or the tosttog— government needs to get a grip on the backlog of— government needs to get a grip on the backlog of claims. the government— on the backlog of claims. the government has— on the backlog of claims. the government has caused a stttottor— government has caused a situation where they've broken the osyttm — situation where they've broken the asylum system , got thousands the asylum system, got thousands upon— the asylum system, got thousands upon thousands— the asylum system, got thousands upon thousands of— the asylum system, got thousands upon thousands of claims that rotor-t— upon thousands of claims that rotor-t toot— upon thousands of claims that haven't been processed and the tsr-t— haven't been processed and the answer isn't more— haven't been processed and the answer isn't more expense for tho— answer isn't more expense for the taxpayer. — answer isn't more expense for the taxpayer. the- answer isn't more expense for the taxpayer. the answer is to fix the problem. stop the boats with effective action and process the claims . police process the claims. police investigating— f tar? police investigating spending by t te police investigating spending by the sootttstt— investigating spending by the scottish national party have

toot— scottish national party have been seen removing boxes of otttorso— been seen removing boxes of ovttorso trorr — been seen removing boxes of evidence from the home of the torrror— evidence from the home of the torrrtor ttrst— evidence from the home of the former first minister, nicola sturgeon— former first minister, nicola sturgeon .— former first minister, nicola sturgeon . yesterday, her sturgeon. yesterday, her husband,— sturgeon. yesterday, her husband, the- sturgeon. yesterday, her husband, the former snp chief exeete— husband, the former snp chief executive, peter— husband, the former snp chief executive, peter murrell , was executive, peter murrell, was orrestet— executive, peter murrell, was orrestet ort— executive, peter murrell, was arrested and then released wtttott— arrested and then released without charge.— arrested and then released without charge. ms. sturgeon was due without charge. ms. sturgeon was toe to— without charge. ms. sturgeon was toe to attent— without charge. ms. sturgeon was due to attend a— without charge. ms. sturgeon was due to attend a climate change exert— due to attend a climate change exert tts— due to attend a climate change event this evening, but she's streettet— event this evening, but she's cancelled her— event this evening, but she's cancelled her appearance and she trtststs— cancelled her appearance and she trststs ste— cancelled her appearance and she insists she had— cancelled her appearance and she insists she had no— cancelled her appearance and she insists she had no prior trowtette— insists she had no prior knowledge of- insists she had no prior knowledge of police plans or trtterttorts— knowledge of police plans or intentions ahead— knowledge of police plans or intentions ahead of her resignation.— intentions ahead of her resignation. in february . a man resignation. in february. a man otto— resignation. in february. a man who murdered— resignation. in february. a man who murdered his— resignation. in february. a man who murdered his pregnant wife by pushing— who murdered his pregnant wife by ptsttrtg ter— who murdered his pregnant wife by pushing her off the edge of artttrs— by pushing her off the edge of artttrs sett— by pushing her off the edge of arthurs seat in— by pushing her off the edge of arthurs seat in edinburgh has teet— arthurs seat in edinburgh has been rated— arthurs seat in edinburgh has been jailed for— arthurs seat in edinburgh has been jailed for 20 years. cctv testes— been jailed for 20 years. cctv tmoges tote— been jailed for 20 years. cctv images have been— been jailed for 20 years. cctv images have been released shortne— images have been released showing kashif_ images have been released showing kashif anwar and fawzia javid— showing kashif anwar and fawzia roxtt wotttrg— showing kashif anwar and fawzia javid walking behind him . the 29 javid walking behind him. the 29 test— javid walking behind him. the 29 year ott— javid walking behind him. the 29 year ott trustee— javid walking behind him. the 29 year old pushed his wife , who year old pushed his wife, who t— year old pushed his wife, who was 17 weeks— year old pushed his wife, who was 17 weeks pregnant, down the tttt. — was 17 weeks pregnant, down the tttt. see— was 17 weeks pregnant, down the tttt. ste tet— was 17 weeks pregnant, down the hill. she fell 50ft_ was 17 weeks pregnant, down the hill. she fell soft and sustained— hill. she fell soft and sustained multiple blunt force trtttes— sustained multiple blunt force injuries before— sustained multiple blunt force injuries before dying, she retreated— injuries before dying, she moroget to— injuries before dying, she managed to tell a woman nearby trot— managed to tell a woman nearby trot ter— managed to tell a woman nearby that her husband— managed to tell a woman nearby that her husband had been behind the that her husband had been behind tte otter— that her husband had been behind tte ottoet .— that her husband had been behind the attack . btec_ that her husband had been behind the attack . btec and as you've the attack. btec and as you've teen— the attack. btec and as you've been seetrg— the attack. btec and as you've been seeing on— the attack. btec and as you've been seeing on gb news today,

there-s— been seeing on gb news today, ttere-s teet— been seeing on gb news today, there's been more— been seeing on gb news today, there's been more violence on tre— there's been more violence on tte streets— there's been more violence on the streets of— there's been more violence on the streets of paris as protesters— the streets of paris as protesters continue to demonstrate - protesters continue to demonstrate against their oroooset— demonstrate against their proposed pension bill. they set fire proposed pension bill. they set ttre to— proposed pension bill. they set ttre to one— proposed pension bill. they set fire to one of— proposed pension bill. they set fire to one of president emmanuel— fire to one of president emmanuel macron's favourite esertrerst— emmanuel macron's favourite restaurants and— emmanuel macron's favourite restaurants and clashed with tot— restaurants and clashed with rtot totee. — restaurants and clashed with riot police. they've now been pockets— riot police. they've now been poetets ot— riot police. they've now been pockets of violence since january- — pockets of violence since january- eut— pockets of violence since january. but the protests have teet— january. but the protests have been mostt— january. but the protests have been mostly peaceful and drivers are been mostly peaceful and drivers teete— been mostly peaceful and drivers teetre e— been mostly peaceful and drivers are facing a major— been mostly peaceful and drivers are facing a major travel ttsrrptor— are facing a major travel disruption weekend for easter, otte— disruption weekend for easter, vote up— disruption weekend for easter, vote up to— disruption weekend for easter, vote up to t— disruption weekend for easter, with up to 17 million cars prettetet— with up to 17 million cars predicted to— with up to 17 million cars predicted to hit the road. holidaymakers booked on cross—channel— holidaymakers booked on cross—channel ferries from the tort— cross—channel ferries from the tort ot— cross—channel ferries from the tort ot dover— cross—channel ferries from the port of dover are— cross—channel ferries from the port of dover are already facing tetets— port of dover are already facing teteys ot— port of dover are already facing delays ot up— port of dover are already facing delays ot up to— port of dover are already facing delays of up to 90— port of dover are already facing delays of up to 90 minutes for oesstort— delays of up to 90 minutes for passport checks. _ delays of up to 90 minutes for passport checks. meanwhile rail ergtreetre— passport checks. meanwhile rail engineering work,— passport checks. meanwhile rail engineering work, including the tose— engineering work, including the tose ot— engineering work, including the closure of london,— engineering work, including the closure of london, euston stetor— closure of london, euston stetor ,— closure of london, euston station , will— closure of london, euston station , will make the roads station, will make the roads tester— station, will make the roads even busier ._ station, will make the roads even busier. and lastly, the king— even busier. and lastly, the king tes— even busier. and lastly, the king has signalled his support for research— king has signalled his support for research into— king has signalled his support for research into the british morerett-s— for research into the british monarchy's historical links with transatlantic _ monarchy's historical links with transatlantic slavery . king transatlantic slavery. king ctertes— transatlantic slavery. king charles and— transatlantic slavery. king charles and the queen consort meerrtte— charles and the queen consort meanwhile, have— charles and the queen consort meanwhile, have been at a maundy ttrrstey— meanwhile, have been at a maundy ttrrstet sertee— meanwhile, have been at a maundy thursday service in— meanwhile, have been at a maundy thursday service in york today, there— thursday service in york today, there tre— thursday service in york today, where the monarch presented speetettt— where the monarch presented specially minted— where the monarch presented

specially minted coins to local oeotte— specially minted coins to local peopte, tterttre— specially minted coins to local people, thanking them for outstanding— people, thanking them for outstanding christian service. tre— outstanding christian service. the roots— outstanding christian service. the royals were— outstanding christian service. the royals were greeted by well—wishers,_ the royals were greeted by well—wishers, as well as a resort— well—wishers, as well as a terttrt ot— well—wishers, as well as a handful of demonstrators who ttere — handful of demonstrators who were there holding banners reettre— were there holding banners reettrg tot— were there holding banners reading not my king. that's your tetest— reading not my king. that's your tetest news— reading not my king. that's your latest news. you're— reading not my king. that's your latest news. you're up to date on tv— latest news. you're up to date on tv ortre— latest news. you're up to date on tv online, dab+ radio, and on the on tv online, dab+ radio, and on tte terre— on tv online, dab+ radio, and on tte trre tr— on tv online, dab+ radio, and on the tree tr app— on tv online, dab+ radio, and on the tune in app with— on tv online, dab+ radio, and on the tune in app with gb news. tre— the tune in app with gb news. the teotte-s— the tune in app with gb news. the people's channel. time now for the people's channel. time now tor trott— the people's channel. time now for emily carver— the people's channel. time now for emily carver sitting in on aeroso— for emily carver sitting in on oertst co— for emily carver sitting in on oertst co .— dewbs& co. ~ dewbs& co. thank you. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, emily carver. now joining me until seven. my wonderful panel, daniel moylan, who is a conservative peer in the house of lords, of course, and kevin craig, ceo of chelmer communication . now, you can get communication. now, you can get in touch with us throughout the show. let us know what you think about all the topics i set out just before. firstly, do you think king charles should apologise for the royal family's links to the slave trade? it

does seem like british institutions are constant, being asked to apologise for one thing or another, and it seems to be slavery is what's going on at the moment then suella braverman has she been unfair, demonised, or do you think she is a bit cruel? is she suella braverman or is that all a bit over the top and green levies on energy bills . i'm top and green levies on energy bills. i'm sure you've got a lot of opinions on that. should we just scrap them to bring down the cost as they are, particularly extortion bit at the moment as we know and is it time to scrap two child time to scrap the two child limit on benefits? i've lots limit on benefits? i've got lots of emails coming through of emails already coming through on that one. some people didn't even there a two child even know there was a two child limit, are in favour of limit, but they are in favour of it in theory. so we will see what my panel think about that one. very interested know one. i'm very interested to know indeed, in touch. gb indeed, but do get in touch. gb views gbnews.uk or on twitter views at gbnews.uk or on twitter at news. so yes , first up, at gb news. so yes, first up, king he's for the first king charles. he's for the first time signalled his support for research into the british monarchy's historical links with slave trade . this comes as an slave trade. this comes as an american historian unearthed a

document revealing that one of the king's predecessors was had shares in a transatlantic slaving firm. should we be surprised by this? should he apologise , guys, for this? apologise, guys, for this? should britain apologise for this? daniel, do you agree with me that it sometimes feels like our institutions are historic , our institutions are historic, institutions are under attack ? institutions are under attack? like, yeah, it's a part of a tetrtte— like, yeah, it's a part of a definite effort— like, yeah, it's a part of a definite effort to trash our ttstory— definite effort to trash our history ent— definite effort to trash our history and make out that otters-s— history and make out that britain's history is a history of britain's history is a history ot erretty— britain's history is a history of cruelty and— britain's history is a history of cruelty and evil and wickedness— of cruelty and evil and wickedness ,- of cruelty and evil and wickedness , when in fact, the wickedness, when in fact, the ettst— wickedness, when in fact, the british empire— wickedness, when in fact, the british empire brought enormous teretts— british empire brought enormous teretts to— british empire brought enormous benefits to the _ british empire brought enormous benefits to the world. the fact teet— benefits to the world. the fact ttet most— benefits to the world. the fact ttet most ot— benefits to the world. the fact that most of the— benefits to the world. the fact that most of the countries in te— that most of the countries in tte rott— that most of the countries in the world are— that most of the countries in the world are democracies today to to— the world are democracies today to to otte— the world are democracies today to do with that. _ the world are democracies today to do with that. that's quite eter— to do with that. that's quite epert trorr — to do with that. that's quite apart from the— to do with that. that's quite apart from the investment in rettreys— apart from the investment in rettrexs erst— apart from the investment in railways and industry and other tires.— railways and industry and other ttres. art— railways and industry and other ttres. art so— railways and industry and other things. and so on.— railways and industry and other things. and so on. now, of course , what— things. and so on. now, of course , what the king has done course, what the king has done so ter— course, what the king has done so ter ts— course, what the king has done so ter ts to— course, what the king has done so tet ts to set— course, what the king has done so far is to say that they're to ettott— so far is to say that they're to allow research _ so far is to say that they're to allow research into the archives ent— allow research into the archives ert ot— allow research into the archives ert ot orse— allow research into the archives and of course research into etetttes— and of course research into etetttes .— and of course research into archives . nobody can object to archives. nobody can object to teet— archives. nobody can object to ttet. tort— archives. nobody can object to ttet. rrt t— archives. nobody can object to that. but if it— archives. nobody can object to that. but if it comes to a point of that. but if it comes to a point ot erotoetsttg— that. but if it comes to a point of apologising for— that. but if it comes to a point of apologising for something teet— of apologising for something ttet rts— of apologising for something that his great,— of apologising for something that his great, great, great, greet,— that his great, great, great, greet, greet— that his great, great, great, great, great whatever, grandfather, - great, great whatever, grandfather, i don't know which

king— grandfather, i don't know which king rte-te— grandfather, i don't know which king we're talking about here. i king we're talking about here. t tttrt— king we're talking about here. t tttrt rts— king we're talking about here. i think it's king— king we're talking about here. i think it's king william- king we're talking about here. i think it's king william the third, right? william the third, yes. right . william the third yes. right. william the third tet— yes. right. william the third tet ro— yes. right. william the third had no children,— “rite: right. william the third had no children, so he's not even a direct— had no children, so he's not even a direct descendant of tts— even a direct descendant of tts. tort— even a direct descendant of this. but there— even a direct descendant of this. but there we are. it goes teet— this. but there we are. it goes test to— this. but there we are. it goes test to te— this. but there we are. it goes back to the 17th— this. but there we are. it goes back to the 17th century. it's all back to the 17th century. it's ett e— back to the 17th century. it's ett e tott— back to the 17th century. it's all a bit mad— back to the 17th century. it's all a bit mad in— back to the 17th century. it's all a bit mad in the 17th eertrrt— all a bit mad in the 17th century, there- all a bit mad in the 17th century, there was a lot of stetre — century, there was a lot of stexttg going— century, there was a lot of slaving going on. a lot of it trtottet— slaving going on. a lot of it involved capturing young trtoreers— involved capturing young europeans and taking them off reto— europeans and taking them off trto tre— europeans and taking them off into the turkish— europeans and taking them off into the turkish empire . there into the turkish empire. there e tttttre— into the turkish empire. there was a thriving slave trade in te— was a thriving slave trade in the mediterranean , the barbary the mediterranean, the barbary stres— the mediterranean, the barbary stetes. re— the mediterranean, the barbary states. we sent— the mediterranean, the barbary states. we sent ships out to try ent— states. we sent ships out to try ert srrrtess— states. we sent ships out to try ert srrrtess rt.— states. we sent ships out to try and suppress it. so did other orttes— and suppress it. so did other orttes .— and suppress it. so did other countries . we— and suppress it. so did other countries . we had war wars countries. we had war wars eeetrst— countries. we had war wars eeettst tre— countries. we had war wars against the barbary pirates who were major slave— against the barbary pirates who were major slave traders . i were major slave traders. i tor-t— were major slave traders. i tor-t trow— were major slave traders. i don't know if— were major slave traders. i don't know if morocco and orttes— don't know if morocco and countries like _ don't know if morocco and countries like that feel they stortt — countries like that feel they stortt te — countries like that feel they stortt be “p— countries like that feel they should be up for apologising for wret— should be up for apologising for rtet es— should be up for apologising for what was done— should be up for apologising for what was done in— should be up for apologising for what was done in the 17th eertrry— what was done in the 17th century within— what was done in the 17th century within the slave trade . century within the slave trade. art— century within the slave trade. art ot— century within the slave trade. and of course,— century within the slave trade. and of course, we— century within the slave trade. and of course, we don't ask them rese— and of course, we don't ask them teeerse—to- and of course, we don't ask them| because—to rubbish because we don't want to rubbish tetr— because we don't want to rubbish ttett-tte— because we don't want to rubbish ttett-tte wett— because we don't want to rubbish their-we want to- their history. we want to trtttst— their history. we want to rubbish our— their history. we want to rubbish our history. “rite: rubbish our history. yes, there-s— rubbish our history. yes, ttete-s e— rubbish our history. yes, there's a lot— rubbish our history. yes, there's a lot of- there's a lot of self—flagellation going on, i think. and also, of course we

could talk for hours about modern which is still modern slavery, which is still rife much country. rife across much of the country. unfortunately do you think the timing is a little bit cynical here? we're coming to the here? we're coming up to the king's coronation and slavery is back in the headlines. i don't think it's cynical. _ back in the headlines. i don't think it's cynical. i— back in the headlines. i don't think it's cynical. i and- think it's cynical. i and i tor-t— think it's cynical. i and i don't share— think it's cynical. i and i don't share your you to your text— don't share your you to your teet— don't share your you to your view that all— don't share your you to your view that all our— don't share your you to your view that all our institutions are under attack— view that all our institutions are under attack . okay. what are under attack. okay. what i reeorret— are under attack. okay. what i welcome about— are under attack. okay. what i welcome about our king is that tee-s— welcome about our king is that te-s etreys— welcome about our king is that he's always been— welcome about our king is that he's always been an interesting tet— he's always been an interesting ttrt ot— he's always been an interesting kind of member— he's always been an interesting kind of member of the royal remit.— kind of member of the royal tertty. te— kind of member of the royal family. he was— kind of member of the royal family. he was ahead of his time on environmental— family. he was ahead of his time on environmental issues . and all on environmental issues. and all tetttre— on environmental issues. and all we're talking about— on environmental issues. and all we're talking about here this ttsersstor— we're talking about here this discussion is,— we're talking about here this discussion is, is— we're talking about here this discussion is, is the fact he's etteety— discussion is, is the fact he's already expressed sorrow. he's not retsorettt— already expressed sorrow. he's not personally responsible for stetery. — not personally responsible for slavery- art— not personally responsible for slavery. and where i do agree rtt— slavery. and where i do agree rttt rertet— slavery. and where i do agree with daniel lord— slavery. and where i do agree with daniel lord moylan is that otter— with daniel lord moylan is that other countries,— with daniel lord moylan is that other countries, many other orttes— other countries, many other countries have— other countries, many other countries have had their fingers dipped— countries have had their fingers ttrret tr— countries have had their fingers ttrret tr tre— countries have had their fingers dipped in the blood of slavery. ort— dipped in the blood of slavery. rrt tt-s— dipped in the blood of slavery. rrt tt-s e— dipped in the blood of slavery. rrt tt-s e tert— dipped in the blood of slavery. but it's a part of— dipped in the blood of slavery. but it's a part of our wonderful oorrtry— but it's a part of our wonderful eorttry resset— but it's a part of our wonderful country passed between 1662 and teen— country passed between 1662 and teen ee— country passed between 1662 and 1807, 3.5 million— country passed between 1662 and 1807, 3.5 million africans oset— 1807, 3.5 million africans crossed the _ 1807, 3.5 million africans crossed the atlantic in british otter—

crossed the atlantic in british orret ot— crossed the atlantic in british owned or british— crossed the atlantic in british owned or british derived ships. ttet-s— owned or british derived ships. ttet-s er— owned or british derived ships. that's an incredible piece of history-— that's an incredible piece of ttstory. rts— that's an incredible piece of history. it's the— that's an incredible piece of history. it's the largest forced rttetetor— history. it's the largest forced rttetetor tr— history. it's the largest forced migration in history , and i migration in history, and i etsoe— migration in history, and i welcome that. _ migration in history, and i welcome that. our monarch wants to tetr— welcome that. our monarch wants to tett etort— welcome that. our monarch wants to talk about it,— welcome that. our monarch wants to talk about it, but— welcome that. our monarch wants to talk about it, but i'm not tt-s— to talk about it, but i'm not sure it's always— to talk about it, but i'm not sure it's always motivated just by trtetest— sure it's always motivated just by interest and— sure it's always motivated just by interest and wanting to learn etort— by interest and wanting to learn etort ttstory. — by interest and wanting to learn about history. it— by interest and wanting to learn about history. c about history. it seems to be motives started by wanting to tear down our institutions. if you look at ulez societies, for example, how often is it the case that you have mobs of student protesters or people from outside usually actually coming to say, oh, we need to tear down that statue because there's some spurious or real link to the slave trade. and then we look at that university in a negative light from that point on. well, as i say, if teete— point on. well, as i say, if there were— rzzr" well, as i say, if there were universities who were teterstre— there were universities who were teterstre tetr— there were universities who were balancing their interest in the stete— balancing their interest in the stete tete— balancing their interest in the slave trade with— balancing their interest in the slave trade with looking at the economic and _ slave trade with looking at the economic and social and rottset— economic and social and political benefits that were ttorett— political benefits that were ttorgtt ty— political benefits that were brought by the _ political benefits that were brought by the british empire, and brought by the british empire, ert trey— brought by the british empire, ert they were— brought by the british empire, and they were doing papers and strttes— and they were doing papers and strttes or— and they were doing papers and studies on that,— and they were doing papers and studies on that, if— and they were doing papers and studies on that, if they were if trey— studies on that, if they were if trey tet— studies on that, if they were if they had crowds— studies on that, if they were if they had crowds outside temerttre— they had crowds outside demanding that, you know , the

demanding that, you know, the trstttrttor — demanding that, you know, the institution of— demanding that, you know, the institution of the— demanding that, you know, the institution of the speaker and the etestet— institution of the speaker and the elected parliaments is sorrettre— the elected parliaments is something that should be celebrated— something that should be celebrated ._ something that should be celebrated . and then i think celebrated. and then i think teet— celebrated. and then i think ttet es— celebrated. and then i think that was that— celebrated. and then i think that was that would be a reasonable— that was that would be a reasonable sort of sense of teterse. — reasonable sort of sense of balance. but— reasonable sort of sense of balance. but i— reasonable sort of sense of balance. but i think what we get,— balance. but i think what we get, emily— balance. but i think what we get, emilyt ts— balance. but i think what we get, emily, is what you say, rttst— get, emily, is what you say, rttst ts— get, emily, is what you say, which is it's— get, emily, is what you say, which is it's all— get, emily, is what you say, which is it's all negative and tt-s— which is it's all negative and re et— which is it's all negative and it's all designed— which is it's all negative and it's all designed to make etttst— it's all designed to make british history— it's all designed to make british history look bad. 9“er british history look bad. may i may— british history look bad. may i met t— british history look bad. may i met r suggest— british history look bad. may i met r srggest tr— british history look bad. may i may i suggest in response to that? well articulated point, which i don't agree with, is that institutions are impact on world democracy as well. discuss it in our universities , the it in our universities, the tradition of parliamentary democracy gifts from across the commonwealth in our own parliament. you know, i don't i think there's a different worldview going on here this evening. massively right. which is that i think you guys us feel that there's you're conveying a sense of siege mentality a bit. and i don't think the situation is as you describe it. but i feel that way because whether it's in our schools, whether it's in our schools, whether it's in our universities, as i mentioned, whether it's with our

royal family, we're concerned instantly talking down the country in one way or another. it does seem that way and it's teet— it does seem that way and it's teet. rts— it does seem that way and it's teet. tt-s rot— it does seem that way and it's real. it's not imagined, is it, rertet— real. it's not imagined, is it, rertet e — real. it's not imagined, is it, rertet e to.— real. it's not imagined, is it, daniel ? no, it— real. it's not imagined, is it, daniel ? no, it is.- real. it's not imagined, is it, daniel? \r:::r c c daniel? no, it is. it is absolutely. it's real to you, too, because that's your personal your personal views as good, solid tories, the pair of you. it isn't a matter of personal view and nor is it a matter of personal experience. it is not lived experience. these these are real facts because is this is the direction in which our universities have chosen to go, not just on this topic, but on gender critical issues, on race, critical issues and so on. and in their anti free speech drives with universities used to be the guardians of free speech. and now of course they're best known for no platforming people and it's always because of views of a certain political sort that and anyone who does want to speak up for british history, if i were to try and use this program now to give a talk about all the benefits that came from the british empire, i'd be i

wouldn't dare do that. i'd be cancelled. not on your program. you can't imagine research being commissioned into the next time. i tried to speak at university. if you bill, if we know our ttstory— if you bill, if we know our history rtt— if you bill, if we know our history with that. emily. but you— history with that. emily. but you see— history with that. emily. but you rt— history with that. emily. but you tt yor— history with that. emily. but you see, if you know your ttstory— you see, if you know your history about— you see, if you know your history about this country, you trott— history about this country, you trot teet— history about this country, you know that empire— history about this country, you know that empire did do some emeztre— know that empire did do some amazing things. _ know that empire did do some amazing things. all this is, is amazing things. all this is, is e teterset— amazing things. all this is, is a balanced conversation about the test— a balanced conversation about the test teet— a balanced conversation about the fact that empire also trtottet— the fact that empire also involved large - the fact that empire also involved large scale . hang on. involved large scale. hang on. wret— involved large scale. hang on. rtet t— involved large scale. hang on. rtet t t— involved large scale. hang on. rtet t t trey— involved large scale. hang on. what if i may just. no no. this is what if i may just. no no. this ts tre— what if i may just. no no. this is the balance,— what if i may just. no no. this is the balance, right? no, no , is the balance, right? no, no, tre— is the balance, right? no, no, trr trst— is the balance, right? no, no, no. i'm just giving you the teterse. — no. i'm just giving you the balance. so— no. i'm just giving you the balance. so empire did involve large— balance. so empire did involve tetee ssete— balance. so empire did involve large scale achievement of transportation _ large scale achievement of transportation law, parliamentary democracy, tetereee— parliamentary democracy, language, culture. it also trtottet— language, culture. it also involved some- language, culture. it also involved some bad things . now, involved some bad things. now, do involved some bad things. now, to you— involved some bad things. now, to you ttrt— involved some bad things. now, do you think that's all we're doing? — do you think that's all we're doing? to— do you think that's all we're doing? or yor— do you think that's all we're doing? jrzzr do you think that's all we're doing? jr:::r : doing? do you think we should apologise? kevin, you haven't got you haven't answered. got to. you haven't answered. i will do emily's question, which i'd like to know. do you think i'm taking now as a i'm taking you now as a representative of the labour party british party and a proud british citizen british citizen and a proud british citizen, think we should citizen, do you think we should go on our knees led by our

go down on our knees led by our monarch apologise? but what monarch and apologise? but what happenedin monarch and apologise? but what happened in the 17th century? no i no. i specifically i think no. i specifically i tor-t.— i think no. i specifically i tor-t. t— i think no. i specifically i or t err— i specifically i don't. i am entirely happy if my king— don't. i am entirely happy if my king sets— don't. i am entirely happy if my king says te— don't. i am entirely happy if my king says he ts— don't. i am entirely happy if my king says he is sorry about what terreret— king says he is sorry about what terretet tr— king says he is sorry about what terretet tr tre— king says he is sorry about what happened in the past. i think the potter— happened in the past. i think the problem is. _ happened in the past. i think the problem is. c the problem is. isn't that all right, emily? it never seems to be enough for our campaign groups or historians or professors or protesters or the left. essentially the imaginary halls of. okay, i apologise for slavery. so then they dig something else up, then they dig something else up, then they dig something else up, then they dig something else up. then they complain about a statue . oh, complain about a statue. oh, then it's the curriculum that needs to be decolonised. oh, then shouldn't a royal then we shouldn't have a royal family these people family at all. these people don't family to don't want the royal family to exist. guardian who are exist. the guardian who are investigating the royal family have agenda want. it's have an agenda they want. it's clear they have an agenda. they want the royal family to cease to exist. probably they didn't do it when the queen was alive. well, no, now they can. now that the street— well, no, now they can. now that the street ts— well, no, now they can. now that the queen is interesting,- rte" now that the queen is interesting, if i may— the queen is interesting, if i me set— the queen is interesting, if i me say so— the queen is interesting, if i me say tre— the queen is interesting, if i may say so, the tone of your tort— may say so, the tone of your tort test— may say so, the tone of your your last remarks, there are is

ortte— your last remarks, there are is quite trumpian. _ your last remarks, there are is quite trumpian. /r:::r. your last remarks, there are is quite trumpian. v/rzzr. quite trumpian. you know, about people who just different people who just hold different political views . and i think political views. and i think it's i think you're at risk of exaggerating the situation. do you really ? i mean, i didn't get you really? i mean, i didn't get the erswet— you really? i mean, i didn't get the answer, really. _ you really? i mean, i didn't get the answer, really. i- ”rireccyr?’ i mean, i didn't get the answer, really. r: r: the answer, really. i just did. so the answer, really. i just did. so t— the answer, really. i just did. so i don't think we should go down on our knees and apologise for slavery. you're happy if the king— for slavery. you're happy if the king ttese — for slavery. you're happy if the king ttese tr— for slavery. you're happy if the king dies? i'm very- 3 you're happy if the king dies? trig �*" king dies? i'm very happy. if the king says he's sorry that it happened. already said happened. he's already said ttet. — happened. he's already said that. that's.— happened. he's already said that. that's. it's— happened. he's already said that. that's. it's great. well, yeah, but i mean, that's okay to be that something be sorry that something happened. you sorry? happened. aren't you sorry? yeah. you sorry it yeah. but aren't you sorry it happened? well wait a moment. this. sorry, sorry. this. sorry sorry, sorry. sorrettre— this. sorry sorry, sorry. something happened. it's ttttetert— different from apologising for stetery. — different from apologising for stetery. -e — different from apologising for slavery. -? well,- different from apologising for slavery. ? �*ft�*rzgc ”cl slavery. is it? well, we're getting deeper. semantic grippingt gripping getting deeper. semantic gripping, gripping as it is. giipping, gripping as it is. take any personal responsibility for take any personal responsibility tot stetery— take any personal responsibility tot stetery .— take any personal responsibility for slavery . that— take any personal responsibility for slavery . that happens. i'm for slavery. that happens. i'm trst— for slavery. that happens. i'm trst. — for slavery. that happens. i'm trst. osr-t— for slavery. that happens. i'm just. don't think— for slavery. that happens. i'm just. don't think we- for slavery. that happens. i'm just. don't think we should apologise for slavery , he's apologise for slavery, he's saying. think. but we should saying. i think. but we should saying. i think. but we should say for it. we're say we were sorry for it. we're sorry that it happened. - c we're sorry that it happened. i just, i sorry that it happened. i just, t yor— sorry that it happened. i just, t you set— sorry that it happened. i just, i you can apologise. you- sorry that it happened. te" d you can i you can apologise. you can take moral i you can apologise. you can take-moral high- if?“ d you can take moral high ground. rt?“ d you can take moral high ground. you take the moral hiin ground. you can take the moral high ground. you set— take the moral high ground. you set tor— take the moral high ground. you can say how much— take the moral high ground. you can say how much this country tes— can say how much this country tes stereet— can say how much this country has changed, how— can say how much this country has changed, how the trade has changed, how the slave trade was has changed, how the slave trade rtes—ort— has changed, how the slave trade was—butlseems- has changed, how the slave trade was—butlseems likei was abhorrent, but it seems like teete— was abhorrent, but it seems like there-reorie— was abhorrent, but it seems like there-people who- was abhorrent, but it seems like there people who constantly was abhorrent, but it seems like there to people who constantly was abhorrent, but it seems like

there to ptafter who constantly was abhorrent, but it seems like there to ptafter wh(monarchy.y want to go after the monarchy for want to go after the monarchy tot etors— want to go after the monarchy for various reasons. want to go after the monarchy for various reasons . and slavery for various reasons. and slavery is for various reasons. and slavery ts trst— for various reasons. and slavery ts trst tre— for various reasons. and slavery is just the latest— for various reasons. and slavery is just the latest thing that trey— is just the latest thing that they se— is just the latest thing that they so— is just the latest thing that they can so specifically are the moretsty— they can so specifically are the moretsty ts— they can so specifically are the monarchy is very,— they can so specifically are the monarchy is very, very popular srrerty— monarchy is very, very popular currently, despite— monarchy is very, very popular currently, despite the trials ent— currently, despite the trials and tribulations of meghan and retry,— and tribulations of meghan and retry, wro— and tribulations of meghan and retry, who r— and tribulations of meghan and harry, who i know— and tribulations of meghan and harry, who i know are very porrtet— harry, who i know are very p0puiar or— harry, who i know are very popular on this— harry, who i know are very popular on this channel, the moretsty— popular on this channel, the moretsty ts— popular on this channel, the monarchy is enjoying some good tetortette— monarchy is enjoying some good favourable ratings— monarchy is enjoying some good favourable ratings and the king is favourable ratings and the king ts tert— favourable ratings and the king ts pert ot— favourable ratings and the king is part of tradition. c is part of tradition. it's a greet— is part of tradition. it's a great institution in the monarchy. we're just chatting about the history, the mixed history of our amazing country. i like your small so you conservative side there you don't want to rip down our institutions. this is a don't want to rip down our institutions . this is a rather institutions. this is a rather rtse— institutions. this is a rather teetty— institutions. this is a rather nice really. let's— institutions. this is a rather nice really. let's see- this is a rather nice really. let's see what reorte— nice really. let's see what reorte-tete- nice really. let's see what. people - have i say nice really. let's see what- people - have i say at people actually have to say at tome.— people actually have to say at tome-ete— people actually have to say at home.-are their- people actually have to say at home. are their thoughts home. what are their thoughts etort— home. what are their thoughts etort king— home. what are their thoughts about king charles potentially erotoetstrge— about king charles potentially apologising?-he- about king charles potentially. apologising?-he-to apologising? should he have to erotoetse— apologise for the slave trade? rese— apologise for the slave trade? because-that's- apologise for the slave trade? because that's what because i do think that's what these— because i do think that's what these reorte— because i do think that's what these people do— because i do think that's what these people do want him to do, ttetterre— these people do want him to do, marianne-next,— these people do want him to do, marianne next, will marianne says. next, will be estro— marianne says. next, will be ester-torren— marianne says. next, will be asking roman descendants asking for roman descendants to step—tete— step forward and take responsibility for the crucifixion - responsibility for the crucifixion .- responsibility for the crucifixion . there are whole crucifixion. there are a whole rost— crucifixion. there are a whole host ot— crucifixion. there are a whole host ot-ttet- crucifixion. there are a whole host of-that we- crucifixion. there are a whole. host of-that we -look host of nations that we can look test— host of nations that we can look back-wrongdoing. - host of nations that we can look back wrongdoing. it needs back on for wrongdoing. it needs to-reet— back on for wrongdoing. it needs to-reet to— back on for wrongdoing. it needs to-need to look- to stop. we need to look torrett— to stop. we need to looki forward._the forward. i think that's the tort.— forward. i think that's the rotttltttrt— forward. i think that's the point. think people are just point. i think people are just stst— point. i think people are just stst-ttet— point. i think people are just sick-tired of— point. i think people are just sick tired of punishing sick and tired of punishing themselves— sick and tired of punishing themselves feeling like themselves or feeling like trey-te— themselves or feeling likej trey-te—tot they're being punished for

titres— they're being punished for things ancestor they're being punished for. things-ancestor did. things that their ancestor did. rewritte— things that their ancestor did. meanwhile, there's slavery ort— meanwhile, there's slavery around-that- meanwhile, there's slavery around -that wei meanwhile, there's slavery- around -that we barely around the world that we barely tetr— around the world that we barely ten-were— around the world that we barelyi talk -we're -talking talk about. we're always talking etort— talk about. we're always talking etort-terrest- talk about. we're always talking about happened in past, about what happened in our past, jim seys— about what happened in our past, in seys stettes— about what happened in our past, jim says charles is— about what happened in our past, jim says charles is wrong. i'm finding— jim says charles is wrong. i'm finding rt— jim says charles is wrong. i'm finding it hard— jim says charles is wrong. i'm finding it hard lately feel finding it hard lately to feel any— finding it hard lately to feel ery-tte— finding it hard lately to feel ery-tteltet- finding it hard lately to feel any-likelhad for. finding it hard lately to feel any like had for the any loyalty like i had for the tete— any loyalty like i had for the late, lamented— any loyalty like i had for the late, lamented queen is fast tesomtre— late, lamented queen is fast tesorrtte tre— late, lamented queen is fast becoming the king of well, becoming the king of woke. well, king— becoming the king of woke. well, nee—erreys- becoming the king of woke. well, king—always been- king charles has always been ortte— king charles has always been ortte ortte— king charles has always been quite quite right— king charles has always been quite quite right on for a toyet— quite quite right on for a royal, hasn't— quite quite right on for a royal, hasn't he? he's been very,— royal, hasn't he? he's been very, very— royal, hasn't he? he's been very, very te— royal, hasn't he? he's been very, very he talks a lot about streete— very, very he talks a lot about climate action,— very, very he talks a lot about climate action, for— very, very he talks a lot about climate action, for example , climate action, for example, rttst— climate action, for example, rttst ts— climate action, for example, which is nice.— climate action, for example, which is nice. he— climate action, for example, which is nice. he talks about tre— which is nice. he talks about the getter— which is nice. he talks about the gender issues. i think i've teete— the gender issues. i think i've teett rtte— the gender issues. i think i've heard him on— the gender issues. i think i've heard him on that once or twice. art— heard him on that once or twice. art rott— heard him on that once or twice. and now slavery.— heard him on that once or twice. and now slavery. adrian says, king— and now slavery. adrian says, no, king charles— and now slavery. adrian says, no, king charles shouldn't erotoetse— no, king charles shouldn't apologise for— no, king charles shouldn't apologise for slavery hundreds of apologise for slavery hundreds ot yeets— apologise for slavery hundreds ot yeets eto— apologise for slavery hundreds ot yeets ego tr— apologise for slavery hundreds of years ago in our history. teet— of years ago in our history. ttet es— of years ago in our history. that was the— of years ago in our history. that was the culture then. totter— that was the culture then. tottre to— that was the culture then. nothing to with the monarchy nothing to do with the monarchy t— nothing to do with the monarchy t ttrt— nothing to do with the monarchy now. i think there— nothing to do with the monarchy now. i think there seems to be a bit now. i think there seems to be a or ot— now. i think there seems to be a or ot e— now. i think there seems to be a bit of a consensus— now. i think there seems to be a bit of a consensus there, kevin, teet— bit of a consensus there, kevin, ttet teet— bit of a consensus there, kevin, ttet ttet rts— bit of a consensus there, kevin, that that it's not— bit of a consensus there, kevin, that that it's not worth erotoetstrg— that that it's not worth apologising for. something that terreret— apologising for. something that happened hundreds of ago . happened hundreds of years ago. yes. — happened hundreds of years ago. yes. -interesting_ happened hundreds of years ago. yes. -interesting to— happened hundreds of years ago. yes. interesting to know yes. it's interesting to know etort— yes. it's interesting to know about-course,— about of course, it's interesting- about of course, it's interesting know about of course, it's interesting. know and interesting to know about. and i ttrt— interesting to know about. and i trot-ot— interesting to know about. and i ttrtiot rs— interesting to know about. and i think-of us can— interesting to know about. and i think of us can agree that think all of us can agree that we think all of us can agree that rte—tset- think all of us can agree thati we _that practise we don't wish for that practise to-sorre— we don't wish for that practise to-sorre test— we don't wish for that practise to-come back to- we don't wish for that practise to come back to this to ever come back to this sorrtry. — to ever come back to this sorrtry. art— to ever come back to this country. and we- to ever come back to this country. “r: to ever come back to this country. c to ever come back to this- country. and we never had it in this country. well, we were trtottet— this country. well, we were trtottet ,—

this country. well, we were involved , yes. _ this country. well, we were involved , yes. but- rtrzr. well, we were involved , yes. “tit; this country. well, we were involved , yes. but there was involved, yes. but there was never any slavery in this country. the there was never a legal state. it wasn't legalised . tert— legal state. it wasn't legalised . trt rt— legal state. it wasn't legalised . trt tt es— legal state. it wasn't legalised , but it was never— g it wasn't legalised , but it was never there was never any slavery in this sorrtry. — never any slavery in this sorrtry. t— never any slavery in this country. “ never any slavery in this- country. i mean, i'm not talking about of what we call about sort of what we now call modern slavery, which is a different matter. but there was never the status of slave. nobody could held as a nobody could ever be held as a slave in england. i think people a slave in england. i think people e tot— slave in england. i think people e tot eter— slave in england. i think people e tot tter too— slave in england. i think people a lot draw too many— “ g: i think people a lot draw too many parallels between— a lot draw too many parallels between tre— a lot draw too many parallels between the uk— a lot draw too many parallels between the uk the us and between the uk and the us and tetr— between the uk and the us and their experience— between the uk and the us and their experience ._ between the uk and the us and their experience . sometimes i their experience. sometimes i ttrt— their experience. sometimes ii tttrt—eryrey, think that's something anyway,i we're going to have to move on. coming— we're going to have to move on. coming-ii— we're going to have to move on. somtre-tt ees— we're going to have to move on. coming it seems like our coming up, it seems like our torre— coming up, it seems like our home-suella- coming up, it seems like our- home -suella braverman home secretary suella braverman or braverman , depending or suella braverman, depending on or suella braverman, depending ore-yor— or suella braverman, depending or-yor tert— or suella braverman, depending on-you view her,- or suella braverman, depending on you view her, followed on how you view her, is followed by_day-- on how you view her, is followed ty—tey. onel on how you view her, is followed ty—tey. ere oti by controversy every day. one or erottet— by controversy every day. one or erottet ot— by controversy every day. one or another of her— by controversy every day. one or another of her policies or stttstse— another of her policies or sttttstse .— another of her policies or criticise . and— another of her policies or criticise . and has been criticise. and has she been terrortset— criticise. and has she been demonised or— criticise. and has she been demonised or is- criticise. and has she been demonised or is she really the strette— demonised or is she really the strette .—

yes, this is dewbs & co with me, yes, this is dewbs& co with me, trrtty— yes, this is dewbs& co with me, trrtty server,— yes, this is dewbs& co with me, emily carver, keeping me company

this emily carver, keeping me company ttts exerte— emily carver, keeping me company ttts etertre ts— emily carver, keeping me company this evening is daniel moylan, a sorsertette— this evening is daniel moylan, a conservative peer— this evening is daniel moylan, a conservative peer in the house of conservative peer in the house ot rotts— conservative peer in the house ot rotts etrt— conservative peer in the house of lords and kevin— conservative peer in the house of lords and kevin craig, ceo of communication— of lords and kevin craig, ceo of communication ._ of lords and kevin craig, ceo of communication . right. we were communication. right. we were tetttre— communication. right. we were tetttre etort— communication. right. we were talking about king charles, rtettet— talking about king charles, rtettet te— talking about king charles, whether he should apologise for stetery— whether he should apologise for stetery ters— whether he should apologise for slavery links dating back to the mi.— slavery links dating back to the nth sertrry. — slavery links dating back to the 17th century. but— slavery links dating back to the 17th century. but now on to srette— 17th century. but now on to suella braverman. another controversial— suella braverman. another controversial figure perhaps so , controversial figure perhaps so . erottet— controversial figure perhaps so . erottet tey— controversial figure perhaps so , another day, another blow for net. — , another day, another blow for net. totey— , another day, another blow for net. totey, tre— , another day, another blow for her. today, the home secretary tes— her. today, the home secretary tes teet— her. today, the home secretary has been accused— her. today, the home secretary has been accused of letting down rtrttrst— has been accused of letting down windrush survivors— has been accused of letting down windrush survivors over her teststor— windrush survivors over her teststor to— windrush survivors over her decision to abandon several teotrtt— decision to abandon several reform commitments made as a tesrtt— reform commitments made as a tesrtt ot— reform commitments made as a tesrtt ot tre— reform commitments made as a result of the windrush scandal. vestettey— result of the windrush scandal. vestettey, tre— result of the windrush scandal. yesterday, the home secretary's pter— yesterday, the home secretary's rtet to— yesterday, the home secretary's rtet to torse— yesterday, the home secretary's plan to house asylum seekers on a plan to house asylum seekers on e barge— plan to house asylum seekers on e tetee ott— plan to house asylum seekers on a barge off dorset— plan to house asylum seekers on a barge off dorset island was trttet— a barge off dorset island was dubbed inhumane . can she do dubbed inhumane. can she do etytttte— dubbed inhumane. can she do etyttttg totte— dubbed inhumane. can she do anything right? kevin i'll go to you anything right? kevin i'll go to yor ttst. — anything right? kevin i'll go to yor ttst. ts— anything right? kevin i'll go to you first. is suella the crueller?_ you first. is suella the crueller? is— you first. is suella the crueller? is she being demonised 7 crueller? is she being demonised e retr— crueller? is she being demonised e ttot. tre— crueller? is she being demonised 7 well, the thing— crueller? is she being demonised 7 well, the thing i— crueller? is she being demonised ? well, the thing i would- crueller? is she being demonised ? well, the thing i would like to draw listeners and viewers attention to, emily, is recently is her in one of the great offices of state in our country in rwanda, making stupid remarks and scoffing at the interior decor of the proposed accommodation for people that

were going to be exported over there while their claims are processed. i don't think that was appropriate. i don't think she knows how to look after sensitive material. well, as a home secretary, she got in trouble for leaking that and it seems, as you said in your very well observed link that nothing she does is without controversy . and i just don't think she's very effective as a home secretary. but is that just the job secretary. but is that just the tot ot— secretary. but is that just the tot ot tote— t ”tic? 3 but is that just the job of home secretary? i mean, you— job of home secretary? i mean, yor tot-t— job of home secretary? i mean, you don't become— job of home secretary? i mean, you don't become a home sestetery— you don't become a home secretary because you're a nice testtet— secretary because you're a nice testtee. te— secretary because you're a nice hashtag. be kind— secretary because you're a nice hashtag. be kind ,_ secretary because you're a nice hashtag. be kind , go with the hashtag. be kind, go with the tow— hashtag. be kind, go with the ttot tyre— hashtag. be kind, go with the flow type person _ hashtag. be kind, go with the flow type person . you're there flow type person. you're there to protest— flow type person. you're there to protest or— flow type person. you're there to protect our borders and our sesrttty. — to protect our borders and our sesrttty. so— to protect our borders and our sesrttty. so yor— to protect our borders and our security. so you have to make toret— security. so you have to make tough, sometimes— security. so you have to make tough, sometimes callous sortttte— tough, sometimes callous sounding decisions. biotic. sounding decisions. well, she test-t— sounding decisions. well, she hasn't made any callous sounding decisions, and she is a nice be kind person. she's a very nice person. she's a lovely person. she's a loving wife and mother. and she's absolutely she's absolutely great. and what are these cruel decisions she's made? we're faced with huge numbers of people as a result of

organised crime coming across dangerously in boats into this country. we haven't got a policy for dealing with them and not one that works. labour certainly doesn't have a policy for deaung doesn't have a policy for dealing with them except to open their arms and say hello as far as i can make out. their arms and say hello as far as i can make out . that's their as i can make out. that's their only policy. and she's trying to find a solution to this. now the rwanda thing i don't think was invented it was before invented by her. it was before she home secretary. but she she was home secretary. but she is trying to make that happen now. she's out there now. and she's been out there and try and get that and we'll get try and get that through get through the courts and get people moving. the meantime, people moving. in the meantime, the is rightly outraged the country is rightly outraged that people are being that these people are being housed in hotels, which is also having detrimental effect on having a detrimental effect on the economy of those places where hotels have been taken out of circulation normal of circulation from normal business in order to accommodate them. and she's trying to find alternative accommodation , one alternative accommodation, one that includes air force , former that includes air force, former air bases , and it includes air force bases, and it includes a barge which has been used by other countries to house asylum seekers in the past. and

earlier, before the program started , you gb news had started, you gb news had pictures of its interior. it's been refitted , if anything, been refitted, if anything, right? doesn't it? if anything , right? doesn't it? if anything, people were saying it looks luxurious. i'm not saying that, but it's clearly not inhumane. so for heaven's sake, what are we talking about ? so for heaven's sake, what are we talking about? this is definitely an attempt to demonise her, because what the left don't like the fact that what she's doing is popular. well, yes, that is true. the commentator biotic. grit; the commentator commentators do well, yes, that is true. the- commentator commentators do tend to tto— commentator commentators do tend to tho ttseetee— commentator commentators do tend to who disagree with— commentator commentators do tend to who disagree with her tend to go to who disagree with her tend to 90 eter— to who disagree with her tend to go ettet tet— to who disagree with her tend to go after her language . so, of go after her language. so, of course, there— go after her language. so, of course, there was— go after her language. so, of course, there was huge uproar wret— course, there was huge uproar ttet ste— course, there was huge uproar when she referred— course, there was huge uproar when she referred to people stosstte— when she referred to people stosstte tre— when she referred to people crossing the channel as an ttestot— crossing the channel as an invasion when— crossing the channel as an invasion when there was huge rroert— invasion when there was huge rroerr wret— invasion when there was huge uproar when called a spade uproar when she called a spade a stere— uproar when she called a spade a spadet wret— uproar when she called a spade a spade, when .comes_ uproar when she called a spade a spade, when comes the spade, when it comes to the grooming— spade, when it comes to the grooming gang— spade, when it comes to the grooming gang scandal, people settte— grooming gang scandal, people were calling her— grooming gang scandal, people were calling her racist, which is-remarkable. - were calling her racist, which is remarkable. some people is quite remarkable. some people settte— is quite remarkable. some people settte-e— is quite remarkable. some people calling a gatekeeper as if calling her a gatekeeper as if ste-s— calling her a gatekeeper as if ste-s tre— calling her a gatekeeper as if she's the respectable face of tre— she's the respectable face of the toy— she's the respectable face of the toy rety— she's the respectable face of the tory party because she tenets— the tory party because she tenets to— the tory party because she tenets to te— the tory party because she happens to be of an ethnic tttortty— happens to be of an ethnic tttortty so— happens to be of an ethnic minority so she— happens to be of an ethnic minority so she can get away ttt— minority so she can get away tttt totte— minority so she can get away with doing harsh— minority so she can get away with doing harsh policies, tettte— with doing harsh policies, making harsh— with doing harsh policies, making harsh policies. this is estretty— making harsh policies. this is estretty se— making harsh policies. this is actually can be— making harsh policies. this is actually can be seen as a little bit actually can be seen as a little or restst— actually can be seen as a little or restst tt— actually can be seen as a little bit racist in a— actually can be seen as a little

bit racist in a way— actually can be seen as a little bit racist in a way to say , oh, bit racist in a way to say, oh, ste— bit racist in a way to say, oh, ste set-t— bit racist in a way to say, oh, she can't possibly- bit racist in a way to say, oh, she can't possibly actually tetete— she can't possibly actually believe that— she can't possibly actually believe that stuff. biotic. believe that stuff. well, i tot-t— believe that stuff. well, i tot-t t— believe that stuff. well, i don't i don't— believe that stuff. well, i don't i don't know who. again, emily, you're talking about. if i can speak for sensible majority i think opinion which is see if you can suella braverman. no, no, no. not islington. danny thank you for that. it's the this story is triggered by just to remind listeners and viewers, the windrush report, right? the home office a few years ago sent out a load of communications to people who come over from the west indies right after the second world war. and they'd made their lives here. they were british citizens. and it said, you're leaving. we're deporting you. caused a load of you. right? caused a load of grief really, really grief, distress, really, really big . a conservative big stuff. a conservative government let us not forget that the conservative party been in charge for 13 years and this is what you know, nothing's been done on this issue of done on this this issue of asylum immigration. a asylum and immigration. a conservative government approved a now suella has said a report and now suella has said she's reversed that decision. and there are 2 or 3 items out

of 30 that she doesn't want to put forward. she's right. so i just it's just another instance where a conservative home secretary before said it's fine. we're going to really make sure the home office is thinking about how it talks and rights to citizens who made their lives in the caribbean. she said she's gone against it and perhaps she too, it a little too, scrutinised it a little more. she was advised accept more. she was advised to accept most— more. she was advised to accept most ot— more. she was advised to accept most ot tre— “tit; she was advised to accept most of the recommendations, but not most of the recommendations, but tot-rte— most of the recommendations, but tot-re tot-t— most of the recommendations, but not-we don't know— most of the recommendations, but not we don't know whether not all. we don't know whether ste— not all. we don't know whether she tet— not all. we don't know whether she tet .— not all. we don't know whether she tet . yor— not all. we don't know whether she had , you know, nasty she had, you know, nasty intentions— she had, you know, nasty intentions .— she had, you know, nasty intentions. i,— she had, you know, nasty intentions. i, i- she had, you know, nasty intentions. i, i sincerely think ttet— intentions. i, i sincerely think ttet ts— intentions. i, i sincerely think ttet ts tot— intentions. i, i sincerely think that is not true. _ intentions. i, i sincerely think that is not true. biotic. retrzi; that is not true. well, you are very kind to her, emily. why would she say, oh, ha, i want to upset the windrush community. why would i wish to do that? ttrst— why would i wish to do that? ttrst ot— why would i wish to do that? ttrst st etr— why would i wish to do that? first of all, the— why would i wish to do that? first of all, the windrush- first of all, the windrush scandal happened a very long time ago before any of the this generation of politicians was actually active. and it happened under a labour and conservative government . that's that's the government. that's that's the first thing to say. and it shouldn't have happened . it took shouldn't have happened. it took a long time to come to light and

for the scandal to surface and then since then there has been a conservative government. large amounts of money have been paid out as compensation. that's never enough for financial compensation . an, of course, is compensation. an, of course, is not everything in life, but large amounts have been paid out in financial compensation , and a in financial compensation, and a report has been done with 30 recommendations to minor bureaucratic recommendations. she's ditching . because, you she's ditching. because, you know, rather than have more bureaucracy. but but a group has decided to take her to court. we our courts are open to every everyone who wants to make an argument. it seems they've decided to take it to court. and we'll find out what the court says about it. well, that's how it's become headline news. say i'm going to accept every recommendation in the report every time it's become a headune every time it's become a headline news, because one group called the black equity group, i believe black equity organisation decided they're organisation has decided they're not happy with this. well, look, the great

not happy with this. well, look, the greet tttte— not happy with this. well, look, the great thing about- well, look, the great thing about and srttetty— the great thing about and suddenly it's,— the great thing about and suddenly it's, you know, suella is, suddenly it's, you know, suella ts ts— suddenly it's, you know, suella ts ts test— suddenly it's, you know, suella ts ts test tt— suddenly it's, you know, suella is, is back in the— suddenly it's, you know, suella is, is back in the headlines for terre— is, is back in the headlines for being testy. — is, is back in the headlines for being nasty. what- is, is back in the headlines for being nasty. what how representative of black exactly. no, no. but anybody let alone tte— no, no. but anybody let alone the windrush— no, no. but anybody let alone the windrush no— no, no. but anybody let alone the windrush no but i think it's fair the windrush no but i think it's tetr to— the windrush no but i think it's tetr to sey— the windrush no but i think it's tetr to sey or— the windrush no but i think it's fair to say our current home sesretery— fair to say our current home secretary this— fair to say our current home secretary this is— fair to say our current home secretary this is you know, this is secretary this is you know, this ts tot— secretary this is you know, this ts tot tte — secretary this is you know, this is not the first— secretary this is you know, this is not the first time she's run ttto— is not the first time she's run ttto — is not the first time she's run into issues. and— is not the first time she's run into issues. “r: is not the first time she's run into issues. ' “r: 0??er “g into issues. and the great thing about this country is you can challenge a government decision in courts. happened under in the courts. it happened under labour it's labour governments, it's happened the last 13 years happened under the last 13 years and see comes of and we'll see what comes out of it. but the fact remains is that it. but the fact remains is that it sounds don't agree. it sounds like we don't agree. i don't she's a particularly don't think she's a particularly effective home secretary. but you, you do. i think, danielle, i you, you do. i think, danielle, tttttt— you, you do. i think, danielle, tttttt rts— you, you do. i think, danielle, i think it's very— r:r:::r ithink, danielle, i think it's very difficult rese— because she finds herself tetstrrtt— because she finds herself- hamstrung,_quite a hamstrung, doesn't she, quite a lot hamstrung, doesn't she, quite a tot-tte— hamstrung, doesn't she, quite a lot-time, whether- hamstrung, doesn't she, quite a lot time, whether it's lot of the time, whether it's tte— lot of the time, whether it's tte-seytte- lot of the time, whether it's the - saying that - lot of the time, whether it's the saying that she can't the courts saying that she can't fly the courts saying that she can't tty ter— the courts saying that she can't tty ter pretes— the courts saying that she can't fly her planes to— the courts saying that she can't fly her planes to rwanda or whether— fly her planes to rwanda or whether it's— fly her planes to rwanda or whether it's over the illegal tttteretot— whether it's over the illegal immigration she'll immigration bill, that she'll tete— immigration bill, that she'lll tete—ttrorot have trouble getting through tott— have trouble getting through tot-.— have trouble getting through tott-. so— have trouble getting through both-. so it's- have trouble getting through both . so it's very both houses. so it's very ttttsrtt. — both houses. so it's very difficult. well,- both houses. so it's very difficult. well, she'll have trortte— difficult. well, she'll have trouble getting it through the torts. — trouble getting it through the torts. tes.— trouble getting it through the lords. yes,-through- trouble getting it through the- lords. yes,-through because lords. yes, not through because the is full of their the lords is full of their rights and so you won't be rebelling on that one, though, will you? so you won't be you'll be sott— will you? so you won't be you'll be sott ot— will you? so you won't be you'll

be solid on that— will you? so you won't be you'll be solid on that one.— will you? so you won't be you'll be solid on that one. i- cc r:::r.7 so you won't be you'll be solid on that one. i should be solid on that one. i should be srrrortte— be solid on that one. i should be supporting the illegal tteretot— be supporting the illegal migration bill. v423; t migration bill. yes, because i think we need stronger measures to stop people coming here as as a thing is, kevin, a result of the thing is, kevin, you're a bit out of touch on this actually, because the majority public do majority of the public do support government's support the government's approach. they don't believe support the government's apprit ch. they don't believe support the government's apprit will they don't believe support the government's apprit will be ey don't believe support the government's apprit will be effective elieve support the government's apprit will be effective oreve that it will be effective or tote,— that it will be effective or tote, tert— that it will be effective or done, but they— that it will be effective or done, but they do support the errroest— done, but they do support the errroest-ett— done, but they do support the approach-and are- done, but they do support the approach and are they're approach well and are they're not approach well and are they're tot-yor— approach well and are they're tot-yor ttot,— approach well and are they're not you know, cruel, nasty. not all, you know, cruel, nasty. no not all, you know, cruel, nasty. to tert— not all, you know, cruel, nasty. to trt te— not all, you know, cruel, nasty. no but he thinks— not all, you know, cruel, nasty. no but he thinks non compassionate people. no but he thinks non- compassionate people. i don't i tot-t— compassionate people. i don't i tot-t ttot.— compassionate people. i don't i tot-t ttot. to.— compassionate people. i don't i don't know. no, listen, it's not wrong to want your country's borders protected. it's not wrong to think that this country can't have an unlimited number of people coming in. but hang on a currently immigration a minute. currently immigration officers in the home office are processing four claims a week. one. in the old days, they used to do and we're all talking to do 13. and we're all talking like this problem started yesterday, 13 years. your guys have had to sort this out . have had to sort this out. processing the claims isn't going— processing the claims isn't going to— processing the claims isn't going to stop— processing the claims isn't going to stop people coming, but it's going to stop people coming, but tt-s e— going to stop people coming, but tt-s e tree— going to stop people coming, but tt-s e huge pert— going to stop people coming, but it's a huge part of— going to stop people coming, but it's a huge part of the problem. tte— it's a huge part of the problem. the tester— it's a huge part of the problem. the tester ts— it's a huge part of the problem. the backlog is why— it's a huge part of the problem. the backlog is why these- it's a huge part of the problem. the backlog is why these bars, isn't it? no, it isn't. do you ttttt— isn't it? no, it isn't. do you ttttt tt— isn't it? no, it isn't. do you ttttt tt es— isn't it? no, it isn't. do you think it was at— isn't it? no, it isn't. do you think it was at all- c c7’ no, it isn't. do you think it was at all just part of

tte— think it was at all just part of the. t— think it was at all just part of the. t tsr-t— think it was at all just part of the. it isn't part— think it was at all just part of the. it isn't part of the prottet. — the. it isn't part of the problem. the- the. it isn't part of the problem. the problem is stopping teorte— problem. the problem is stopping reorte trot— problem. the problem is stopping people from coming. and there teets— people from coming. and there needs-deterrent- people from coming. and there needs deterrent that needs to be a deterrent for that . att— needs to be a deterrent for that . and because— needs to be a deterrent for that . and because we— needs to be a deterrent for that . and because we can't get rese— . and because we can't get because the _ . and because we can't get because the french are happy to let because the french are happy to tet ttet— because the french are happy to tet ttet soe— because the french are happy to let them come over, basically, trey— let them come over, basically, ttey tot-t— let them come over, basically, ttey tot-t to— let them come over, basically, they don't do anything unless trey-re— they don't do anything unless trey-re pett— they don't do anything unless trey-re rett .— they don't do anything unless they're paid . who the french. they're paid. who the french. ttet— they're paid. who the french. wet, tey— they're paid. who the french. wet, tey t— they're paid. who the french. well, may i ask— they're paid. who the french. well, may i ask ?_ they're paid. who the french. well, may i ask ? one french, i well, may i ask? one french, i tteette— well, may i ask? one french, i imagine, knows— well, may i ask? one french, i imagine, knows before we move on to et— imagine, knows before we move on to ett ttese— imagine, knows before we move on to all these organised gangs, refore— to all these organised gangs, before we— to all these organised gangs, before we to— to all these organised gangs, before we go on— to all these organised gangs, before we go on to our next iopict— before we go on to our next i0pict tey— before we go on to our next i0pict tey t— before we go on to our next topic, may i ask— before we go on to our next topic, may i ask one question? do yor— topic, may i ask one question? to yor ttttt— topic, may i ask one question? do you think that— topic, may i ask one question? do you think that it— topic, may i ask one question? do you think that it was- topic, may i ask one question? do you think that it was wrong of the home secretary to single out british pakistani men when it to grooming gangs, or it came to grooming gangs, or was talking the truth was she just talking the truth at that time? she was just characterising— at that time? she was just characterising-in- c t“r::;7 she was just characterising in those characterising that in those seses-ttet- characterising that in those cases-that was- cases she was that was etsotrtety— cases she was that was absolutely fine . she absolutely fine. she characterised those absolutely fine. she- characterised .those when characterised it in those when ttet— characterised it in those when ttet es— characterised it in those when that was reported. it was , i that was reported. it was, i ttto— that was reported. it was, i think, exclusively british tettstett— think, exclusively british pakistani men as it would be etsotrtety— pakistani men as it would be absolutely fine— pakistani men as it would be absolutely fine for her last trott— absolutely fine for her last ttett or— absolutely fine for her last ttott or two— absolutely fine for her last night or two nights ago to say ttet— night or two nights ago to say ttet ttts— night or two nights ago to say that this latest— night or two nights ago to say that this latest issue in retsett— that this latest issue in walsall is— that this latest issue in walsall is predominantly white trttst— walsall is predominantly white british origin. _ walsall is predominantly white british origin. that's just tetttte— british origin. that's just talking about— british origin. that's just talking about stuff we shouldn't shy talking about stuff we shouldn't sty erey— talking about stuff we shouldn't sty etey trot — talking about stuff we shouldn't shy away from describing facts. ttet— shy away from describing facts. ttet t— shy away from describing facts. ttet t tte— shy away from describing facts. well i like that— shy away from describing facts. well i like that because- shy away from describing facts. well i like that because so-

shy away from describing facts. well i like that because so many people on the left jumped on it, started saying she was being racist and demonising. we've used that word a lot, but demonising british pakistani men. know , painting them all men. you know, painting them all with the same brush . yeah, but with the same brush. yeah, but you know, you've got to be accurate, right? well, one of the prottets— accurate, right? well, one of the problems with- rett. . g “7 well, one of the problems with these gangs has the problems with these gangs tes teet— the problems with these gangs tes teet es— the problems with these gangs has been, as we— the problems with these gangs has been, as we know , has been, as we know, oversensitivity to confront rester— oversensitivity to confront racial issues— oversensitivity to confront racial issues has allowed the ssettet— racial issues has allowed the ssettet to— racial issues has allowed the scandal to continue much longer ttet— scandal to continue much longer ttet tt— scandal to continue much longer than it should— scandal to continue much longer than it should have— scandal to continue much longer than it should have done. yeah, ett— than it should have done. yeah, ett rte— than it should have done. yeah, ett re ttot— than it should have done. yeah, and we know that. _ than it should have done. yeah, and we know that. so we've got to get— and we know that. so we've got to get or— and we know that. so we've got to get our heads— and we know that. so we've got to get our heads around that, ttet— to get our heads around that, ttet terre— to get our heads around that, that being oversensitive about these— that being oversensitive about these ssres— that being oversensitive about these issues can— that being oversensitive about these issues can cause real srttertte— these issues can cause real srttertte to — these issues can cause real suffering to vulnerable people. in suffering to vulnerable people. tt ttts— suffering to vulnerable people. tt ttts sese— suffering to vulnerable people. in this case, children . and in this case, children. and tres— in this case, children. and unless we realise that they'll serry— unless we realise that they'll serry ot— unless we realise that they'll carry on suffering and they sorte— carry on suffering and they sortt te— carry on suffering and they could be not— carry on suffering and they could be not necessarily a sexret— could be not necessarily a sexual abuse,— could be not necessarily a sexual abuse, there will be otter— sexual abuse, there will be other things— sexual abuse, there will be other things that come up which we tetet-t— other things that come up which we haven't thought of yet, where we haven't thought of yet, where we might— we haven't thought of yet, where we migbi too— we haven't thought of yet, where we might too be— we haven't thought of yet, where we might too be nervous to ettress— we might too be nervous to ettress tte— we might too be nervous to address the facts because of ttts— address the facts because of ttts stetrtte— address the facts because of this clamping down on free sreest— this clamping down on free sreest tte— this clamping down on free speech the whole time and this setstttty— speech the whole time and this sensitivity about— speech the whole time and this sensitivity about race and

getter— sensitivity about race and gender issues— sensitivity about race and gender issues being peddled by our universities— gender issues being peddled by our universities and utilised by the retort— our universities and utilised by the labour party— our universities and utilised by the labour party in order to try ett— the labour party in order to try and demonise— the labour party in order to try and demonise people. rt?“ c and demonise people. i can't tsetse— and demonise people. i can't disagree with— and demonise people. i can't disagree with that , but we'll be disagree with that, but we'll be coming to what a surprise. i don't always agree with daniel. perhaps we'll disagree on green levies. who knows, maybe we will. maybe we'll disagree on net zero. i could be an eco activist for all you know. yes i grow my own vegetables . anyway, grow my own vegetables. anyway, coming up, let me know what you think about that last conversation and also about green levies will be coming to your coming up, your views very soon. coming up, britain has some europe's britain has some of europe's highest bills . experts highest energy bills. experts say our focus net zero say that our focus on net zero targets is partly to blame. some experts say so should we experts say that so should we scrap green levies to reduce energy bills? we'll get stuck into that .

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with me, emily carbon now keeping me company until 7:00. daniel moylan is still here, a conservative peer in the house of lords. and kevin craig, ceo of lords. and kevin craig, ceo of ler communication . now we've of ler communication. now we've got lots and lots of emails coming through on braverman. i think most people do disagree with you. kevin they're with you. kevin i think they're team braverman, although brian with you. kevin i think they're team b she's1an, although brian with you. kevin i think they're team b she's not although brian with you. kevin i think they're team b she's not cruelugh brian with you. kevin i think they're team b she's not cruel enoughin with you. kevin i think they're team b she's not cruel enough ,| did say she's not cruel enough, she's just incompetent and useless. so people want her to be more cruel. well we shall see. david says support braverman then. terry has has said about the barge. the vessel was designed as accommodation for people working in construction. it if it has been designed as living accommodation and deemed good enough for them , then how can it be construed that it , then how can it be construed thatitis , then how can it be construed that it is unsuitable for illegal immigrants ? doesn't make illegal immigrants? doesn't make sense . yes, well, people will sense. yes, well, people will complain about everything. but you know, i do think it would be a cruel and inhumane to keep a bit cruel and inhumane to keep people barge for months people in that barge for months and months on end. i think it does have to go hand in hand and handin does have to go hand in hand and hand in hand with processing their claims and deporting them

if they're not acceptable or keeping them and allowing them to seek refuge here if they are . but we shall see anyway, we're going to move on to energy levies. bills are still levies. our bills are still extremely extortionate. grant shapps shapps, the energy secretary, vowed to give secretary, he vowed to give britain the cheapest energy in europe, doesn't seem to europe, but he doesn't seem to be a good job. actually be doing a good job. actually turned push for turned out that our push for green energy has pushed our energy be of energy bill to be some of europe's highest. the so—called green levies account for about 8% of today's uk domestic electricity bills. doesn't sound like too much, but they're very many charges that are many other charges that are going on, not least carbon taxes. so how should we start with again , i'll give you with kevin again, i'll give you the first word this . do you the first word on this. do you think green levies are a good thing? i think green levies are a good thing ? i do. i would like to thing? i do. i would like to erote— thing? i do. i would like to erote tt— thing? i do. i would like to quote ed miliband- “q7 i do. i would like to quote ed miliband . i know you quote ed miliband. i know you yet— quote ed miliband. i know you yet to— quote ed miliband. i know you yet to teet— quote ed miliband. i know you want to hear this— quote ed miliband. i know you want to hear this now. this is tttortett— want to hear this now. this is important when— want to hear this now. this is important when he talks about sttete— important when he talks about stttete energy— important when he talks about climate energy prices in the trtrre— climate energy prices in the trtrre .— climate energy prices in the trtrre . te— climate energy prices in the future . he says— climate energy prices in the future . he says we're very future. he says we're very torrtet— future. he says we're very worried about— future. he says we're very worried about the end of the tort— worried about the end of the world, which— worried about the end of the world, which is— worried about the end of the world, which is true. but you tete— world, which is true. but you tete to— world, which is true. but you have to talk— world, which is true. but you have to talk about it in a way

ttet— have to talk about it in a way ttet tetes— have to talk about it in a way that makes sense— have to talk about it in a way that makes sense to people torrtet— that makes sense to people worried about— that makes sense to people worried about the end of the tort— worried about the end of the tottt totte— worried about the end of the month right? so— worried about the end of the month right? so that is, i find ttt— month right? so that is, i find ttt reetty— month right? so that is, i find him really persuasive on that rese— him really persuasive on that because what— him really persuasive on that because what this this article is because what this this article ts etort— because what this this article ts etort ts— because what this this article is about is that— because what this this article is about is that people are teette— is about is that people are teetto tte— is about is that people are feeling the pinch . but the 8% is feeling the pinch. but the 8% is not feeling the pinch. but the 8% is tot ts— feeling the pinch. but the 8% is tot ts tot— feeling the pinch. but the 8% is tot ts tot tte— feeling the pinch. but the 8% is not is not the reason is not the way— not is not the reason is not the tey to— not is not the reason is not the tey to tx— not is not the reason is not the tey to ttx ttts. — not is not the reason is not the way to fix this. the— not is not the reason is not the way to fix this. the way to fix ttts— way to fix this. the way to fix ttts ts— way to fix this. the way to fix ttts ts ty— way to fix this. the way to fix ttts ts ty tte— way to fix this. the way to fix this is by the some of the oil ett— this is by the some of the oil ett ees— this is by the some of the oil and gas companies paying their fair and gas companies paying their tetr stere— and gas companies paying their tetr stere tt— and gas companies paying their fair share in terms— and gas companies paying their fair share in terms of their excess profits— fair share in terms of their excess profits . - fair share in terms of their excess profits . “r; fair share in terms of their excess profits. “r; fair share in terms of their excess profits . “r; excess profits. they pay a lot. they don't. what are they paying now? something like 70, 75. right. and even today, we had ot— right. and even today, we had ot ttet— right. and even today, we had one of them saying they've lost 300t— one of them saying they've lost too, trey-re— one of them saying they've lost 300, they're losing— one of them saying they've lost 300, they're losing 350 jobs rese— 300, they're losing 350 jobs tese ot— 300, they're losing 350 jobs because of it.— 300, they're losing 350 jobs because of it. they're going to go etserttere. — because of it. they're going to go elsewhere. the- because of it. they're going to go elsewhere. c [j go elsewhere. the former ceo of bp one second then because we're going to hear from you, no doubt at length. but the former ceo of bp says that these companies can handle their balance handle it on their balance sheet. i, as as a business sheet. and i, as as a business person, you know, fully take a lot of notice when the former ceo of that. but, you ceo of bp says that. but, you know, it's an excuse sometimes times people are also suffering because obviously ukraine and what's happened there in terms

of energy prices. but akua surely we shouldn't let it deflect us from trying to make the environment cleaner and better not for us, but for the generations that come next. how can you disagree with that- d how can you disagree with that pitch trot— can you disagree with that pitch trot-tte— can you disagree with that pitch from -the fact _ can you disagree with that pitch from-the fact is- can you disagree with that pitch from the fact is the from kevin? the fact is the ooertett— from kevin? the fact is the government, the full support of the retort— government, the full support of the labour party— government, the full support of the labour party and all the sort— the labour party and all the sort ot— the labour party and all the sort of ttet— the labour party and all the sort of well thinking people of tsttetot— sort of well thinking people of islington have— sort of well thinking people of islington have decided , islington have decided, rsttotot— islington have decided, islington have decided, islington have decided, islington have decided or have testtet— islington have decided or have decided that— islington have decided or have decided that we— islington have decided or have decided that we need to get rid of steep— decided that we need to get rid of cheap forms— decided that we need to get rid of cheap forms of— decided that we need to get rid of cheap forms of energy, cheap torts— of cheap forms of energy, cheap torts ot— of cheap forms of energy, cheap torts of energy— of cheap forms of energy, cheap forms of energy include coal and gas forms of energy include coal and tes ett— forms of energy include coal and eyes ett ttttes— forms of energy include coal and gas and things like— forms of energy include coal and gas and things like that. �*rft�*rz; gas and things like that. we test— gas and things like that. we test to— gas and things like that. we test to te— gas and things like that. we need to be making- gas and things like that. we need to be making less use of them and eliminating them eventually. and we need to move to what are in fact more expensive forms of energy and to do that, they have taxed the people producing energy from coal and gas so that it's more expensive and that encourages them to switch to something else . and they also leave us on top of that as a subsidy for people erecting wind farms. now, this clearly creates a cost to the

economy . there's no doubt at all economy. there's no doubt at all about that. and one of the problems is they haven't been honest about it. they've said they've talked in terms of a great green future in which we're to boom and with we're going to boom and with lots and lots of good green jobs, whatever that means. yes but in fact, that isn't what it's producing. they haven't acknowledged the costs. now people are feeling the costs in their pocket . it is the end of their pocket. it is the end of their pocket. it is the end of the month that matters because frankly, we are not facing the end of the world. nobody's suggesting we're facing the end end of the world. nobody's su the ;ting we're facing the end end of the world. nobody's su the world. e're facing the end end of the world. nobody's su the world. ite facing the end end of the world. nobody's su the world. it is:acing the end end of the world. nobody's su the world. it is not g the end end of the world. nobody's su the world. it is not that; end of the world. it is not that bad. even if there is a climate crisis, don't us this crisis, don't give us this alarmist plummer. just alarmist phoebe plummer. just stop eco activist with alarmist phoebe plummer. just stop-eco activist with pink. stop oil eco activist with pink tetr— stop oil eco activist with pink tet-te— stop oil eco activist with pink tetr-te ttet— stop oil eco activist with pink hair me that millions will hair told me that millions will die hair told me that millions will rte-wett— hair told me that millions will rte-tet ett— hair told me that millions will die .we'll all be- hair told me that millions will die we'll all be fighting die and we'll all be fighting tte— die and we'll all be fighting over the last— die and we'll all be fighting over the last loaf in lidl. so tttst— over the last loaf in lidl. so tttst ttet— over the last loaf in lidl. so which then she— over the last loaf in lidl. so which then she said and she said , which then she said and she said . tt— which then she said and she said . tt tot— which then she said and she said . tt tot e— which then she said and she said , i'm not a scientist.— which then she said and she said , i'm not a scientist. and she jacob— , i'm not a scientist. and she resot ett— , i'm not a scientist. and she jacob and she— , i'm not a scientist. and she jacob and she comes from tsttetot— jacob and she comes from islington too. _ jacob and she comes from islington too. i tz;r?ccg7’ islington too. does she really? ttet— islington too. does she really? wet, ttet— islington too. does she really? well, that doesn't— islington too. i tz;r?ccg7’ well, that doesn't surprise me. it well, that doesn't surprise me. tt tosst-t— well, that doesn't surprise me. tt tosst-t att— well, that doesn't surprise me. c : c “at?“ so it doesn't all islington. so that's what they've c : c “gr?“ so that's what they've done c : c “at?“ so that's what they've done and trey-re— that's what they've done and trey-re tot— that's what they've done and they're not being honest about it they're not being honest about t ett— they're not being honest about t ett trey-re— they're not being honest about it and they're not— they're not being honest about it and they're not being honest etort— it and they're not being honest etort-test— it and they're not being honest about-fact that— it and they're not being honest about fact that the about the fact that even the tttt —

about the fact that even the tttt -ttet - about the fact that even the wind -when they - about the fact that even the wind when they produce wind farms, when they produce steer— wind farms, when they produce cheap—which- wind farms, when they produce cheap—which of- cheap electricity, which of course once _ cheap electricity, which of course once you've built them, tte— course once you've built them, tte-sost— course once you've built them, tte-sostltrtte- the marginal cost is quite stet— the marginal cost is quite. stett—tete the marginal cost is quite- small._have to be small. yeah even they have to be tested— small. yeah even they have to be tester-to— small. yeah even they have to be testetlto te— small. yeah even they have to be backed to be sustainable with backed up to be sustainable with tree— backed up to be sustainable with huge tettery— backed up to be sustainable with huge battery farms or hydro or teter— huge battery farms or hydro or teter ortts— huge battery farms or hydro or water pumps masquerading testsetty— water pumps masquerading basically hydroelectric dams, tttst— basically hydroelectric dams, tttst tototy— basically hydroelectric dams, which nobody has actually costed in which nobody has actually costed tt ett— which nobody has actually costed tt ett tototy— which nobody has actually costed in and nobody has— which nobody has actually costed in and nobody has thought about the environmental— in and nobody has thought about the environmental consequences. people— the environmental consequences. tesrtt er— the environmental consequences. reorte etteys— the environmental consequences. people are always banging- the environmental consequences. people are always banging on about how renewables are way cheaper than gas, coal et cetera et cetera. not, they're not steeper— et cetera. not, they're not steeper .— et cetera. not, they're not cheaper . they're- {.iiilciiilr?�* not, they're not cheaper . they're not cheaper. cheaper. they're not cheaper. ttet— cheaper. they're not cheaper. wet, ttet— cheaper. they're not cheaper. well, that the _ cheaper. they're not cheaper. well, that the margins are the terettet— well, that the margins are the terettet sost— well, that the margins are the marginal cost of— well, that the margins are the marginal cost of something that trots— marginal cost of something that ttorts tor— marginal cost of something that ttorts tor .— marginal cost of something that toys for; sey,— marginal cost of something that blows for , say, six— marginal cost of something that blows for , say, six hours a day blows for, say, six hours a day or tteteter— blows for, say, six hours a day or whatever it— blows for, say, six hours a day or whatever it might turns for six or whatever it might turns for stx torts— or whatever it might turns for stx torts e— or whatever it might turns for six hours a day.— or whatever it might turns for six hours a day. the marginal sost— six hours a day. the marginal sost ot— six hours a day. the marginal sost ot ttet— six hours a day. the marginal cost of that might be quite low, but cost of that might be quite low, trt tte— cost of that might be quite low, trt tte totet— cost of that might be quite low, but the total cost— cost of that might be quite low, but the total cost of what you tete — but the total cost of what you tete to — but the total cost of what you texe to pey— but the total cost of what you have to pay when— but the total cost of what you have to pay when it's not ttottte— have to pay when it's not ttottto tor— have to pay when it's not blowing for six- have to pay when it's not blowing for six hours a day to keep— blowing for six hours a day to keep tt— blowing for six hours a day to keep tt torto— blowing for six hours a day to keep it going, all— blowing for six hours a day to keep it going, all the excess etestrtstty— keep it going, all the excess electricity that's— keep it going, all the excess electricity that's got to be protrset, — electricity that's got to be- produced, _batteries produced, charge those batteries . ptrs— produced, charge those batteries . ptrs tte— produced, charge those batteries , plus the construction costs . , plus the construction costs. why— , plus the construction costs. wry torto— , plus the construction costs. why would they— , plus the construction costs. why would they need subsidies if trey— why would they need subsidies if they ere— why would they need subsidies if they so— why would they need subsidies if they were so cheap? they'd be trey-t— they were so cheap? they'd be trey-t pe— they were so cheap? they'd be they'd be raking— they were so cheap? they'd be they'd be raking it in, wouldn't tteye— they'd be raking it in, wouldn't tteye trey-re— they'd be raking it in, wouldn't they? they're only— they'd be raking it in, wouldn't they? they're only doing it rese— they? they're only doing it because they're _ they? they're only doing it

because they're being subsidised. - because they're being subsidised. let's because they're being- subsidised. _let's go. subsidised. well, let's go. tet-s— subsidised. well, let's go. tet-s sse— subsidised. well, let's go. let's see what— subsidised. well, let's go. let's see what you - subsidised. well, let's go. let's see what you at- subsidised. well, let's go. let's see what you at home are are saying. michael says emily green levies should have been cut as soon as we departed the eu. i was under the impression that both the green levies and vat would be removed once we had left. unfortunately, neither have . can't have been removed. i can't remember that was a brexit remember if that was a brexit promise . um, remember if that was a brexit promise. um, but yes, i think some people did think that there would be some of those costs taken off, stephen says. green levies scandalous levies subsidies are scandalous . a wind turbine may produce £15,000 of electric motty per annum , yet receive 55,000 in annum, yet receive 55,000 in subsidies . how does that work? subsidies. how does that work? we are subsidising it to the hilt. some of these technologies and also oil and gas. emily huge srtstttes— and also oil and gas. emily huge srtstttes to— and also oil and gas. emily huge subsidies to oil— and also oil and gas. emily huge subsidies to oil and— and also oil and gas. emily huge subsidies to oil and gas- subsidies to oil and gas sortertpes— subsidies to oil and gas companies for- subsidies to oil and gas companies for research. there is tree— companies for research. there is tree tex— companies for research. there is huge tax breaks— companies for research. there is huge tax breaks and huge tax tweets.— huge tax breaks and huge tax tweets. sorry— huge tax breaks and huge tax breaks. sorry to— huge tax breaks and huge tax breaks. sorry to interrupt. oh, i breaks. sorry to interrupt. oh, t see— breaks. sorry to interrupt. oh, t ttet-s— breaks. sorry to interrupt. oh, i see. that's what— breaks. sorry to interrupt. oh, i see. that's what i meant to sey.— i see. that's what i meant to say. correction _ i see. that's what i meant to say. correction .gt; c?;e< i see. that's what i meant to say. correction g rt; c?;e< but say. correction huge tax. but trey— say. correction huge tax. but they to— say. correction huge tax. but they to set— say. correction huge tax. but they do call them— say. correction g rt; c?;e< but they do call them subsidies. t hey— they do call them subsidies. trey-tex— they do call them subsidies. they-tax breaks- they call the tax breaks subsidies,— they call the tax breaks subsidies, which a funny way subsidies, which is a funny way of subsidies, which is a funny way ot-worts— subsidies, which is a funny way of-words, isn't- subsidies, which is a funny way of-words, isn't it? - subsidies, which is a funny way of words, isn't it? c of using words, isn't it? it's tte— of using words, isn't it? it's ttts saying— of using words, isn't it? it's like saying taxing ulez is a giveaway, isn't it? but as i exptettet— giveaway, isn't it? but as i exptettet ot— giveaway, isn't it? but as i explained on a— g c 7 but asi explained on a previous program and

explained on a previous program ett sexrt-s— explained on a previous program and kevin's-need— explained on a previous program and kevin's need reminding and kevin's bits need reminding ,_.rways_ and kevin's bits need reminding ,_.tw.ys pey- , he doesn't always pay attention.— , he doesn't always pay attention. vaguely . , he doesn't always pay- attention.-vaguely . do you attention. i was vaguely. do you ttt— attention. i was vaguely. do you ttt ttet— attention. i was vaguely. do you find that slightly the way he came to house of lords? a&e came to the house of lords? a&e what happens? they— came to the house of lords? a&e what happens? they used- what happens? they used to be towt— what happens? they used to be towt-ett— what happens? they used to be down-and then- what happens? they used to bei down-and then-get down to earth and then they get in down to earth and then they get tt-ot— down to earth and then they get tt-ot tte— down to earth and then they get tt-ot tte ret— down to earth and then they get in on the red benches and in there on the red benches and trey— in there on the red benches and they stert— in there on the red benches and they start talking— in there on the red benches and they start talking down. daniel totpors— they start talking down. daniel pompous-surely- they start talking down. daniel pompous. surely not. pompous. so it's surely not. rts— pompous. so it's surely not. tt-slstete— pompous. so it's surely not. it'slshame the— pompous. so it's surely not. it's shame the way which it's a shame the way in which oil it's a shame the way in which ott-ees— it's a shame the way in which ott-ees works— it's a shame the way in which oil-gas works and- it's a shame the way in which oil gas works and has always oil and gas works and has always wortet— oil and gas works and has always wortet srte— oil and gas works and has always worked since we— oil and gas works and has always worked since we discovered oil ett— worked since we discovered oil ere—tott- worked since we discovered oil and-north sea.- worked since we discovered oil and-north sea. i worked since we discovered oili and-north sea. the and gas in the north sea. the way— and gas in the north sea. the weylwttst— and gas in the north sea. the weylwttst tt— and gas in the north sea. the way-which it works- and gas in the north sea. the way-which it works is- and gas in the north sea. the way which it works is that way in which it works is that you have huge upfront costs that you have huge upfront costs that you have huge upfront costs that you have in the hope you have to invest in the hope of profit in the future. and then the tax break on then you get the tax break on then you get the tax break on the spread over the the upfront cost spread over the future earnings. well, there you go. that's all we've got time tor.— go. that's all we've got time for ert— go. that's all we've got time for. but coming— go. that's all we've got time for. but coming up,- gt that's all we've got time for. but coming up, more than1 tttor— for. but coming up, more than1 million children— for. but coming up, more than 1 million children growing in million children growing up in poverty— million children growing up in. poverty—benefits poverty under two child benefits ttt— poverty under two child benefits ttttt .— poverty under two child benefits ttttt . tt. — poverty under two child benefits tttt. tt. ts— poverty under two child benefits limit. it. is it— poverty under two child benefits limit. it. is it time— poverty under two child benefits limit. it. is it time to change tte— limit. it. is it time to change the stit— limit. it. is it time to change the child benefit— limit. it. is it time to change the child benefit system and ettow— the child benefit system and ettow .— the child benefit system and ettow . wett— the child benefit system and allow , well, more benefits for allow, well, more benefits for more children _ allow, well, more benefits for more children .—

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thank you for joining thank you forjoining . thank you thank you for joining. thank you for thank you for joining. thank you tor joining— thank you for joining. thank you tor joining rs— thank you for joining. thank you for joining us on— thank you for joining. thank you for joining us on news and co forjoining us on news and co ttts— forjoining us on news and co ttts ewettte— forjoining us on news and co this evening keeping me company rttt— this evening keeping me company rtttt sexet— this evening keeping me company rtttt ts— this evening keeping me company until seven is daniel moylan conservative— until seven is daniel moylan conservative peer in the house of torts— conservative peer in the house of lords who's— conservative peer in the house of lords who's being ever so stetty— of lords who's being ever so slightly pompous this evening. but slightly pompous this evening. trt petteps— slightly pompous this evening. but perhaps kevin— slightly pompous this evening. but perhaps kevin actually i'm just kevin my humble self. but then perhaps kevin craig- then perhaps kevin craig is being— then perhaps kevin craig is better e— then perhaps kevin craig is being a little— then perhaps kevin craig is being a little bit annoying. who ttowse— being a little bit annoying. who ttowse — being a little bit annoying. who ttowse ttt— being a little bit annoying. who knows? i'm always— being a little bit annoying. who knows? i'm always i'm always told i'm annoying on here. viewers at home. very bad for told i'm annoying on here. - viewers at home. very bad for my sotttetse— viewers at home. very bad for my confidence-sign. _ viewers at home. very bad for my confidence sign. trtrwt viewers at home. very bad for my confidence sign. \tt3trt "rt; confidence to sign. now we're talking that's talking about something that's a little controversial. little bit controversial. i remember this came in, this remember when this came in, this two child limit for child benefit. one campaign group, a child poverty campaign group, has it the nastiest of has called it the nastiest of policies , saying that more than policies, saying that more than a million children are now growing up in poverty of growing up in poverty because of it, limit. so if it, because of that limit. so if you a third you you have a third child, you don't get any money in terms of child benefit from the state that means that parents can't claim credit or claim child tax credit or universal credit for more than two children. now, daniel, i understand that you think it's thoroughly important the thoroughly important that the state , urges families,

state encourage, urges families, encourage his children. yeah. this limit came in— rt;“rtttr. ?gt; t“ rt.“ ”til" yeah. this limit came in because there e story— this limit came in because there e story or— this limit came in because there was a story on television about tettty— was a story on television about one family which— was a story on television about one family which had an enormous tre— one family which had an enormous tre ot— one family which had an enormous number of children. rt?“ c number of children. i can't remember 14— number of children. i can't remember 14 or 14, number of children. i can't remember 14 or14, 15 number of children. i can't remember 14 or 14, 15 children, and they were living on benefits. iremember the benefits. i remember the stores. — benefits. iremember the stores. t— benefits. iremember the stories. iremember- benefits. iremember the stories. irememberthe benefits. iremember the stories. i remember the story . stories. i remember the story. and this was thought- stories. i remember the story. and this was thought to- stories. and this was thought to be so torrettors— and this was thought to be so horrendous that— and this was thought to be so horrendous that we had to have a law horrendous that we had to have a tew tor— horrendous that we had to have a law for everybody— horrendous that we had to have a law for everybody as if as if it possttte— law for everybody as if as if it was possible or— law for everybody as if as if it was possible or likely that up ett— was possible or likely that up ett towt— was possible or likely that up and down the— was possible or likely that up and down the country , people and down the country, people wortt— and down the country, people would suddenly— and down the country, people would suddenly start having 14 or re— would suddenly start having 14 or 15 children. _ would suddenly start having 14 or 15 children. and, you know , or 15 children. and, you know, so yor— or 15 children. and, you know, so yor eet— or 15 children. and, you know, so yor get e— or 15 children. and, you know, so you get a law— or 15 children. and, you know, so you get a law based on an exterte— so you get a law based on an extreme case. it— so you get a law based on an extreme case. c t“ “g extreme case. it was happening, though. you'd have particularly young mothers would be bearing children for the benefits . i children for the benefits. i mean, there were so many cases. i remember talking about benefits britain and how £15, 90 a week. well, i mean, every ttte— a week. well, i mean, every little counts. _ a week. well, i mean, every little counts. a— a week. well, i mean, every little counts. a lot- well, i mean, every little counts. a lot of sweat to go tttorot. — little counts. a lot of sweat to go through. well,— little counts. a lot of sweat to go through. well, if- little counts. a lot of sweat to go through. brittle �*7 c go through. well, if it's enough, £15, 90 a week, i don't think anyone is having children for the benefits . there was for the benefits. there was there es— for the benefits. there was there e— for the benefits. there was there was a feature- there was there was a feature and still is

a there was a feature and still is eteetrre— there was a feature and still is a feature whereby— there was a feature and still is a feature whereby you can get retorset— a feature whereby you can get retorset tt— a feature whereby you can get rehoused if you _ a feature whereby you can get rehoused if you have a child and ttet— rehoused if you have a child and ttet ts— rehoused if you have a child and ttet ts ttet— rehoused if you have a child and that is that is— rehoused if you have a child and that is that is a— rehoused if you have a child and that is that is a different tetter— that is that is a different matter altogether . but we're matter altogether. but we're tettttt — matter altogether. but we're tettttt ow— matter altogether. but we're talking now about families and etort— talking now about families and etort tte— talking now about families and about the fact— talking now about families and about the fact that the birth rete— about the fact that the birth rete tt— about the fact that the birth rete tt ttts— about the fact that the birth rate in this country, the replacement— rate in this country, the replacement birth rate is now towt— replacement birth rate is now towt et— replacement birth rate is now down at about— replacement birth rate is now down at about 1.65. i remember it down at about 1.65. i remember tt teets— down at about 1.65. i remember tt teets to— down at about 1.65. i remember tt teets to te— down at about 1.65. i remember it needs to be over— down at about 1.65. i remember it needs to be over two just to keep— it needs to be over two just to keep tte— it needs to be over two just to keep the population stable. and it's keep the population stable. and tt-s ow— keep the population stable. and tt-s towt— keep the population stable. and it's now down to— keep the population stable. and it's now down to about 1.65. it wont— it's now down to about 1.65. it wont te— it's now down to about 1.65. it wont be very— it's now down to about 1.65. it won't be very long— it's now down to about 1.65. it won't be very long before we're tetttte— won't be very long before we're tetttto etort— won't be very long before we're talking about whose primary sstoot— talking about whose primary school we're— talking about whose primary school we're going to . school we're going to. but sorry to interrupt you, but kevin , to interrupt you, but kevin, didn't daniel contradict himself there slightly saying that it's not enough to encourage you to have a child, but then we should we should have it anyway. we should have the extra benefit for child. fourth, for your third child. fourth, fifth, whatever. ithink fifth, sixth, whatever. i think it helps families. _ fifth, sixth, whatever. i think it helps families. what- it helps families. what underlies— it helps families. what underlies this report is there are underlies this report is there e tot— underlies this report is there e tot ot— underlies this report is there are a lot of children living in poverty— are a lot of children living in poverty ett— are a lot of children living in poverty and the— are a lot of children living in poverty and the cpp, the child poverty— poverty and the cpp, the child poverty tstot — poverty and the cpp, the child poverty action group, who for tesetes— poverty action group, who for decades have _ poverty action group, who for decades have influenced governments— decades have influenced governments of left and right, are governments of left and right, trst— governments of left and right, trst seytte— governments of left and right, are just saying that when this potsy— are just saying that when this potsy-tt— are just saying that when this potsy-tt stx— are just saying that when this policy-in six-agol are just saying that when this. policy-in six-ago and policy came in six years ago and it policy came in six years ago and t es— policy came in six years ago and t trtooeret— policy came in six years ago and it was triggered by— policy came in six years ago and it was triggered by quite

tettotty— it was triggered by quite tabloidy discussions around, it's tabloidy discussions around, tt-s et— tabloidy discussions around, it's an outrage.— tabloidy discussions around, it's an outrage. and if i sorrest— it's an outrage. and if i correct me— it's an outrage. and if i correct me if- it's an outrage. and if i correct me if i'm wrong, but i ttttt— correct me if i'm wrong, but i ttttt tt— correct me if i'm wrong, but i ttttt tt es— correct me if i'm wrong, but i think it was called the radfords a think it was called the radfords e tettty— think it was called the radfords e tettty ot— think it was called the radfords etettty of 12,— think it was called the radfords a family of 12, 11,— think it was called the radfords a family of 12, 11, 13, 14 kids. trotte— a family of 12, 11, 13, 14 kids. trerte tte— a family of 12, 11, 13, 14 kids. right? the super human childbearing— right? the super human childbearing powers . but the childbearing powers. but the retry— childbearing powers. but the reettty ts— childbearing powers. but the reality is families are really srtette— reality is families are really srtterttt .— reality is families are really suffering . and— reality is families are really suffering . and this benefit the suffering. and this benefit the stete— suffering. and this benefit the stete. t— suffering. and this benefit the stete. t tot-t— suffering. and this benefit the state. i don't think it needs we teet— state. i don't think it needs we test e— state. i don't think it needs we test e 900d_ state. i don't think it needs we need a good population rate. we teet— need a good population rate. we test e— need a good population rate. we test e 900d_ need a good population rate. we need a good birth— need a good population rate. we need a good birth rate to see, you— need a good birth rate to see, yor trow— need a good birth rate to see, yor ttow tex— need a good birth rate to see, you know, tax cuts and tax tweets— you know, tax cuts and tax preets tor— you know, tax cuts and tax preets tor ;— you know, tax cuts and tax breaks for , i— you know, tax cuts and tax breaks for , i don't know, breaks for, i don't know, terrtet— breaks for, i don't know, married couples or whatever. we-vs— married couples or whatever. we-ve otty— married couples or whatever. we-ve otty tot— married couples or whatever. we-ve otty got e— married couples or whatever. we've only got a couple- married couples or whatever. we've only got a couple of minutes left, so i'm going to go to your views at home very quickly. alan says encourage quickly. alan says to encourage family there should family growth, there should be support four support for at least four children. agrees children. there you go. agrees with says it was with you both. fred says it was brought in after the second world people raise world war to help people raise more kids. now is the time to do away with it. so there you go. two different views on child benefit. those coming. benefit. keep those coming. coming you much coming in. thank you very much to my wonderful this to my wonderful panel this evening. daniel moylan evening. with me, daniel moylan and maguire. and of course, kevin maguire. thank kevin again. thank you, kevin craig again. sett— thank you, kevin craig again. sewn-wry— thank you, kevin craig again. xsvtt-wty to— thank you, kevin craig again. kevin _why dolknow- thank you, kevin craig again. kevin _why dolknow it. kevin craig, why do i know it was last too? i'm terribly was last time too? i'm terribly sorry.— was last time too? i'm terribly sorry. sorry — was last time too? i'm terribly sorry. sorry anyway, nigel farage, who always gets his

guests correct . anyway, guests names correct. anyway, we've got a few more views before we finish up . graham says before we finish up. graham says originally you didn't get benefits your first child. benefits for your first child. that encourages people to have more . i'm not sure more children. i'm not sure i understand that one. roy says uk is overpopulated already increased by 12 million since 2000, and we can't house offer health care, education or anything else . yes, but people anything else. yes, but people aren't having enough children . i aren't having enough children. i really do think that is the case remains the case. daniel's very sure that that is the issue. we need to be. yeah, we might have too tety— need to be. yeah, we might have too tety peopte— need to be. yeah, we might have too many people now,— : yeah, we might have too many people now, but if you tot-t— too many people now, but if you tot-t estretty— too many people now, but if you don't actually start— too many people now, but if you don't actually start having sttttret— don't actually start having children, you'll— don't actually start having children, you'll just become a sorry— children, you'll just become a country immigration. country of immigration. there wot-t—peoptel won't be any british people tet.— won't be any british people tet-wort— won't be any british people left.-won't be.- won't be any british people left. won't be. or you'll left. there won't be. or you'll trst— left. there won't be. or you'll trst see— left. there won't be. or you'll just see everything fall off a sttt — just see everything fall off a sttt wett— just see everything fall off a cliff. well, yes,— just see everything fall off a cliff. well, yes, we- just see everything fall off a cliff. �*svirtgt aorta; : just see everything fall off a cliff. �*rftrt;tt grit? : just see everything fall off a cliff. : cliff. well, yes, we need to be breeding ourselves. it takes a long time breeding ourselves. it takes a long ttte tor— breeding ourselves. it takes a long time for children- : “g it takes a long time for children mature long time for children to mature ttto— long time for children to mature ttto etrtts— long time for children to mature into adults-need— long time for children to mature into adults need houses. into adults and need houses. wet.— into adults and need houses. wet. or— into adults and need houses. wet. or ttet— into adults and need houses. well, on that note,— into adults and need houses. well, on that note, that- into adults and need houses. well, on that note, that is actually we've got time for actually all we've got time for this evening. thank you very trst— this evening. thank you very much indeed.— this evening. thank you very much indeed. nigel- t“ “g thank you very much indeed. nigel farage is sottte— much indeed. nigel farage is sottte-trst— much indeed. nigel farage is coming-just one- much indeed. nigel farage is coming just one moment. coming up in just one moment. teto— coming up in just one moment. tetto etert— coming up in just one moment. hello again. it's— coming up in just one moment. hello again. it's aidan- coming up in just one moment. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. a fine start to this long weekend.

showers on thursday easing to warm sunny spells for friday, saturday and into sunday. but some rain comes along sunday night and into easter monday. but for the time being, night and into easter monday. but for the time being , weather but for the time being, weather systems are clearing away . systems are clearing away. showers easing on thursday evening and a ridge of high pressure building across the uk. leaders into that fine weekend . leaders into that fine weekend. so thursday evening, a few showers remaining into the east, but they disappear eventually rain taking a bit longer to clear from shetland. i think. but even here it does disappear by dawn. a lot of cloud remaining in the north sea that will affect the east at times through weekend. otherwise, through the weekend. otherwise, it's a it's lengthy, clear spells, a touch of frost to begin things it's lengthy, clear spells, a t0lfridayfrost to begin things it's lengthy, clear spells, a t0l friday morningegin things it's lengthy, clear spells, a t0lfriday morning .gin things it's lengthy, clear spells, a t0lfriday morning . but:hings it's lengthy, clear spells, a t0lfriday morning . but actually on friday morning. but actually some mist patches as well. and once the sun gets to work, those mist patches will lift, temperatures will rise and by the end of the morning, most places are going to be with warm , sunny spells. one exception are the east coast, where there will be some mist and low cloud returning during friday afternoon. that will keep temperatures held back 1110

celsius on the north sea coast. but where we've got the sunny spells elsewhere 15 or 16 celsius in highly possible some fair weather cloud will bubble up , especially across, say, the up, especially across, say, the hills of wales, parts of northern ireland as well. otherwise, for most a fine otherwise, for most it's a fine day friday and another decent day on friday and another decent day on friday and another decent day on friday and another decent day on saturday as well. again, some and low cloud into the some mist and low cloud into the east and we'll wake up to east coast and we'll wake up to that on saturday morning. i think keep frost free think we keep things frost free here, but a frost likely elsewhere we've those elsewhere where we've got those lengthy, overnight, lengthy, clear spells overnight, some fog patches. first thing, once again on however, saturday is looking like a cracking day. plenty of sunshine up and down the country again, a bit of an exception there for the north sea coast. some mist and low cloud at times. breeze from the nonh cloud at times. breeze from the north sea will make it feel cool here. otherwise it's looking largely dry, bright and settled through these two weekend. that is until night and into is until sunday night and into monday when a spell of rain moves through, clearing to showers .

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