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i'm with the fox and hounds panel. r-n anne— with the fox and hounds panel. r-n ennng rn— with the fox and hounds panel. i'm sitting in for— with the fox and hounds panel. i'm sitting in for the fox and weeernre— i'm sitting in for the fox and weeernre ae— i'm sitting in for the fox and welcome to newshounds to digest the welcome to newshounds to digest rne nann— welcome to newshounds to digest the trump indictment. king cnarree— the trump indictment. king charles support for a report into— charles support for a report into royal— charles support for a report into royal family slavery links ana— into royal family slavery links and anar— into royal family slavery links and that labour— into royal family slavery links and that labour campaign in deer. — and that labour campaign in peer. ana— and that labour campaign in post. and finally the easter gerawaw— post. and finally the easter gerawaw re— post. and finally the easter getaway is underway. will you be neaarng— getaway is underway. will you be neaarne ae— getaway is underway. will you be neaarne w a— getaway is underway. will you be heading to a beach— getaway is underway. will you be heading to a beach or local deaww— heading to a beach or local deaww spot— heading to a beach or local beauty spot this— heading to a beach or local beauty spot this weekend? the government— beauty spot this weekend? the government has— beauty spot this weekend? the government has pledged to ban aneee— government has pledged to ban aneee pesky— government has pledged to ban those pesky polluting plastic daeea— those pesky polluting plastic daeea wrnee— those pesky polluting plastic based wipes as— those pesky polluting plastic based wipes as well . but those pesky polluting plastic based wipes as well. but is those pesky polluting plastic based wipes as well . but is that based wipes as well. but is that enewgn— based wipes as well. but is that enewgn ae— based wipes as well. but is that enough to clean— based wipes as well. but is that enough to clean up our rivers ana— enough to clean up our rivers and coastlines— enough to clean up our rivers and coastlines ?_ enough to clean up our rivers and coastlines ? and don't and coastlines? and don't forget,— and coastlines? and don't rerger, meet— and coastlines? and don't forget, most importantly, is wow— forget, most importantly, is your voice— forget, most importantly, is wewrweree ._ forget, most importantly, is your voice. i want to hear from war.— your voice. i want to hear from war. dena— your voice. i want to hear from war. sena wear— your voice. i want to hear from you. send your views my way . your voice. i want to hear from you. send your views my way. gb viewe— you. send your views my way. gb vrewe aa— you. send your views my way. gb vrewe at an— you. send your views my way. gb views at gb news— you. send your views my way. gb views at gb news .uk. that's all coming— views at gb news .uk. that's all earning an— views at gb news .uk. that's all eenrng an arter— views at gb news .uk. that's all coming up after the— views at gb news .uk. that's all coming up after the news neaannee— coming up after the news headlines with- coming up after the news headlines with bethany elsey . headlines with bethany elsey. daren— headlines with bethany elsey. darren, thank— headlines with bethany elsey. darren, thank you . c: g darren, thank you. good evening. i darren, thank you. good evening. r ann— darren, thank you. good evening. i am bethany elsey in the gb newsroom opposition politicians in scotland are urging the snp to be fully trans apparent about its finances after it emerged

the firm which audits the party's accounts, has resigned . party's accounts, has resigned. johnston carmichael says it made the decision after reviewing its client portfolio earlier this week . the former client portfolio earlier this week. the former snp chief executive peter murrell, who is nicola sturgeon's husband, was arrested by police investigating the party's finances as he was released without charge pending further investigation . police in further investigation. police in northern ireland are warning their officers could be targeted by dissidents in londonderry this easter . by dissidents in londonderry this easter. that's ahead of a state visit by the us president who's arriving in belfast on tuesday. the psni says it's received strong intelligence that attacks are being planned for bank holiday monday , mi5 for bank holiday monday, mi5 raised the terrorist threat level in the country to severe following the shooting of a senior detective, john caldwell . russia has charged a us journalist with espionage. ivan gorshkov , who works for the wall gorshkov, who works for the wall street journal , is accused of street journal, is accused of trying to obtain russian

military secrets on behalf of washington. he pleaded not guilty earlier this week and maintains means he was working as a journalist . but russia's as a journalist. but russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov , says he was caught red handed . president joe biden has described the claims as of espionage as ridiculous and demanded his release . the demanded his release. the foreign secretary is calling for a de—escalation of tensions in the middle east after israel launched air strikes in lebanon and the gaza strip . israel says and the gaza strip. israel says they acted in retaliation to palestinian rocket attacks in the occupied west bank. two israeli sisters have been shot and killed in their car and their mother is in a critical condition in hospital. it comes amid a rise in violence in jerusalem , too, during the jerusalem, too, during the muslim holy month of ramadan, as well as the jewish passover houday. well as the jewish passover holiday . the labour party has holiday. the labour party has stood by an advert that claims rishi sunak doesn't think child sex abusers should go to prison. labour posted the ad on twitter,

pitching itself as the party of law and order, but it's drawn criticism from mps , with senior criticism from mps, with senior tory ministers accusing labour of a vile and desperate campaign strategy and s club seven's paul cattermole has passed away aged 46. only weeks after the pop group announced a comeback tour. he was found at his home in dorset yesterday and police say there were no suspicious circumstances. in a statement , circumstances. in a statement, the family and the band said there are no words to describe their deep sadness . bring it all their deep sadness. bring it all back to you on tv, online , dab+ back to you on tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to . news. now it's back to. darren cheers very much for your company, folks. i'm in for lawrence fox—

company, folks. i'm in for lawrence fox now.- f i'm in for lawrence fox now. first up, sir new— lawrence fox now. first up, sir keir starmer's_ lawrence fox now. first up, sir keir starmer's case for becoming drnarn-e— keir starmer's case for becoming drnarn-e new— keir starmer's case for becoming britain's next prime minister is darn— britain's next prime minister is darn around— britain's next prime minister is built around the— britain's next prime minister is built around the man having rewarw— built around the man having loyally integrity that you can ween — loyally integrity that you can ween wen— loyally integrity that you can trust. well the _ loyally integrity that you can trust. well the knight in enrnrng— trust. well the knight in shining armour has fallen from his shining armour has fallen from we high— shining armour has fallen from we nrgn none— shining armour has fallen from his high horse and his troops are his high horse and his troops refusing— his high horse and his troops are refusing to— his high horse and his troops are refusing to actually defend nan— are refusing to actually defend nrn ever— are refusing to actually defend him over labour's— are refusing to actually defend him over labour's latest attack ad ran— him over labour's latest attack ad raer nann— him over labour's latest attack ad last night. there was consensus across twitter doesn't nannen— consensus across twitter doesn't nanpen onen— consensus across twitter doesn't nanpen enen ae— consensus across twitter doesn't happen often, as commentators of dean— happen often, as commentators of dean ren— happen often, as commentators of dean wen ana— happen often, as commentators of both left and right— happen often, as commentators of both left and right came out in condemnation— both left and right came out in condemnation of— both left and right came out in condemnation of a labour advert anat— condemnation of a labour advert anaa dranea— condemnation of a labour advert that blamed rishi— condemnation of a labour advert that blamed rishi sunak for dene— that blamed rishi sunak for derne eon— that blamed rishi sunak for being soft on— that blamed rishi sunak for being soft on sentencing garnerrnee— being soft on sentencing guidelines that have seen 4500 aawne— guidelines that have seen 4500 adults convicted— guidelines that have seen 4500 adults convicted of child sex offences— adults convicted of child sex offences walk _ adults convicted of child sex offences walk free since 2010. n. offences walk free since 2010. w. wow— offences walk free since 2010. w. new wen — offences walk free since 2010. n. now yet, despite the condemnation from across the permeat— condemnation from across the political divide,— condemnation from across the political divide, labour have aewarw— political divide, labour have actually doubled down their anaer— actually doubled down their attack material— actually doubled down their attack material with another nearer— attack material with another peererderng— attack material with another poster being tweeted out earning— poster being tweeted out claiming rishi sunak doesn't te— claiming rishi sunak doesn't to near— claiming rishi sunak doesn't care to deal with violent gun

ennrnare— care to deal with violent gun criminals either. _ care to deal with violent gun criminals either. now folks, the permeat— criminals either. now folks, the nerrnear drag— criminals either. now folks, the political blog guido fawkes , political blog guido fawkes, new-we— political blog guido fawkes, they've actually— political blog guido fawkes, they've actually highlighted war— they've actually highlighted tnat wen — they've actually highlighted that rishi sunak, elected as an mp that rishi sunak, elected as an md in— that rishi sunak, elected as an md in don— that rishi sunak, elected as an mp in 2015 and— that rishi sunak, elected as an mp in 2015 and never hauled in any— mp in 2015 and never hauled in any nrnrerer— mp in 2015 and never hauled in any minister responsibilities in war— any minister responsibilities in ma area— any minister responsibilities in that area since— any minister responsibilities in that area since then. cannot be peeeer— that area since then. cannot be possibly responsible . however, possibly responsible. however, sir possibly responsible. however, srr new— possibly responsible. however, sir keir starmer,_ possibly responsible. however, sir keir starmer, the then director— sir keir starmer, the then director of— sir keir starmer, the then director of public prosecutions, wne— director of public prosecutions, wne aewarw— director of public prosecutions, who actually sat— director of public prosecutions, who actually sat on the sentencing _ who actually sat on the sentencing council , was very sentencing council, was very nwen— sentencing council, was very much involved— sentencing council, was very much involved .— sentencing council, was very much involved . and you see the much involved. and you see the sentencing— much involved. and you see the sentencing council— much involved. and you see the sentencing council sets sentencing— sentencing council sets sentencing rules and the crown prosecution— sentencing rules and the crown prosecution service sets nraeeewnng— prosecution service sets prosecuting rules as the current rares— prosecuting rules as the current rates for— prosecuting rules as the current rates for a...— prosecuting rules as the current rules for the sexual assault of enrraren— rules for the sexual assault of children were— rules for the sexual assault of children were last— rules for the sexual assault of children were last updated in 20 dre.— children were last updated in 20 dre. wow— children were last updated in 20 dre. now we— children were last updated in 20 1318. now who was— children were last updated in 20 1318. now who was the head of the 1318. now who was the head of we ens— 1318. now who was the head of we ch ana— 1318. now who was the head of the cps and sat— 1318. now who was the head of the cps and sat on the sentencing— the cps and sat on the sentencing council in 2013? you mien— sentencing council in 2013? you might wen— sentencing council in 2013? you nranr weu aer— sentencing council in 2013? you might well ask .— sentencing council in 2013? you might well ask . it— sentencing council in 2013? you might well ask . it was none might well ask. it was none ener— might well ask. it was none one man— might well ask. it was none other than sir— might well ask. it was none other than sir keir starmer. raw— other than sir keir starmer. raw adew— other than sir keir starmer. talk about scoring one hell of an gear.— talk about scoring one hell of an own goal. you— talk about scoring one hell of an own goal. you see in arrenpnng— an own goal. you see in attempting to- an own goal. you see in

attempting to attack the prime winner— attempting to attack the prime minister .— attempting to attack the prime minister. slimy,_ attempting to attack the prime minister. slimy, sir. attempting to attack the prime minister . slimy, sir. spineless minister. slimy, sir. spineless nae— minister. slimy, sir. spineless nae aewarw— minister. slimy, sir. spineless has actually reminded us of his wack— has actually reminded us of his own track record _ has actually reminded us of his own track record .— has actually reminded us of his own track record . he's now made own track record. he's now made so many— own track record. he's now made ea many d—wrne— own track record. he's now made ea many u—wrne .— own track record. he's now made so many u—turns , folks, that so many u—turns, folks, that nee— so many u—turns, folks, that we at— so many u—turns, folks, that we at new— so many u—turns, folks, that he's at risk of— so many u—turns, folks, that he's at risk of ending up in the permeat— he's at risk of ending up in the political u—bend_ he's at risk of ending up in the political u—bend he may well be ef— political u—bend he may well be at aa— political u—bend he may well be one of the last.— political u—bend he may well be one of the last. now banned wet wipes— one of the last. now banned wet wines to— one of the last. now banned wet wines to de— one of the last. now banned wet wipes to be flushed out in drnarn-e— wipes to be flushed out in britain's sewers. you see lefty rawwere— britain's sewers. you see lefty rawwere dne— britain's sewers. you see lefty lawyers like him _ britain's sewers. you see lefty lawyers like him in my view, are reenenerdre— lawyers like him in my view, are responsible for— lawyers like him in my view, are responsible for many of our nations— responsible for many of our nation's current— responsible for many of our nation's current wars. take the dadewr— nation's current wars. take the labour attacks _ nation's current wars. take the labour attacks on— nation's current wars. take the labour attacks on suella braverman for- labour attacks on suella braverman for her comments on enra— braverman for her comments on enrra senat— braverman for her comments on child sexual exploitation by grooming— child sexual exploitation by grooming gangs. this is partly a party— grooming gangs. this is partly a panw wnn— grooming gangs. this is partly a panw wrrn fern — grooming gangs. this is partly a party with form on— grooming gangs. this is partly a party with form on this issue . party with form on this issue. in party with form on this issue. rn dow,— party with form on this issue. in 2017, labour— party with form on this issue. in 2017, labour mp sarah cnannren— in 2017, labour mp sarah champion, the- in 2017, labour mp sarah champion, the member of parliament— champion, the member of parliament for— champion, the member of parliament for rotherham, which was parliament for rotherham, which ef— parliament for rotherham, which was of course caught up in far tea— was of course caught up in far we mean— was of course caught up in far we mean at— was of course caught up in far too much of this— was of course caught up in far too much of this cover up of enra— too much of this cover up of enrra rape— too much of this cover up of enrra rane .— too much of this cover up of child rape , was— too much of this cover up of child rape , was sacked for child rape, was sacked for writing— child rape, was sacked for writing that— child rape, was sacked for writing that for gang related enra— writing that for gang related child sexual— writing that for gang related child sexual exploitation. the eenwenene— child sexual exploitation. the convictions have— child sexual exploitation. the convictions have largely been against— convictions have largely been against british— convictions have largely been against british pakistani men .

against british pakistani men. now:— against british pakistani men. wow, r-n— against british pakistani men. now, i'm afraid,— against british pakistani men. now, i'm afraid, folks, it's the reentry— now, i'm afraid, folks, it's the identity obsessed— now, i'm afraid, folks, it's the identity obsessed left that's reenenerdre— identity obsessed left that's responsible for— identity obsessed left that's responsible for much of the eeeeerend— responsible for much of the obsession in— responsible for much of the obsession in with political correctness— obsession in with political correctness that frankly failed young— correctness that frankly failed young are— correctness that frankly failed young are rnar— correctness that frankly failed young girls that were left to be raped— young girls that were left to be rated ana— young girls that were left to be raped and groomed by racists war— raped and groomed by racists tnat wewea— raped and groomed by racists that viewed them as nothing ener— that viewed them as nothing one a...— that viewed them as nothing other than white trash. so i rnrnw— other than white trash. so i tnrnk rn— other than white trash. so i think in reminding us of that fact,— think in reminding us of that fact, dadewr— think in reminding us of that fact, labour has— think in reminding us of that fact, labour has likely reminded many— fact, labour has likely reminded nanw war— fact, labour has likely reminded many rnat we— fact, labour has likely reminded many that it's often stood on we— many that it's often stood on we wrang— many that it's often stood on the wrong side— many that it's often stood on the wrong side of— many that it's often stood on the wrong side of public opinion on wre— the wrong side of public opinion on were newe— the wrong side of public opinion on this issue .— on this issue. wow- on this issue. now tonight we're on this issue.— now tonight we're asking you en tnre reene— now tonight we're asking you , now tonight we're asking you, our viewers, more— now tonight we're asking you, our viewers, more important than me , wnat— our viewers, more important than me , wnar wen— our viewers, more important than me , what you think about the big me, what you think about the big ef— me, what you think about the big er a...— me, what you think about the big issues of the day.— me, what you think about the big issues of the day. let me know wenr— issues of the day. let me know wenr thoughts-_ issues of the day. let me know your thoughts. email gb views at gb your thoughts. email gb views at an newe— your thoughts. email gb views at an wewe. wk.— your thoughts. email gb views at gb news. .uk. i've— your thoughts. email gb views at gb news. .uk. i've got you up in front— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in new of— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in new of ne— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in front of me here— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in front of me here or— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in front of me here or tweet at gb wewe. — front of me here or tweet at gb wewe. wow— front of me here or tweet at gb wewe. wew se— front of me here or tweet at gb news. now so it— front of me here or tweet at gb news. now so it can't be denied war— news. now so it can't be denied tnat we— news. now so it can't be denied tnat we nave— news. now so it can't be denied that we have more— news. now so it can't be denied that we have more asylum requests— that we have more asylum requests than— that we have more asylum requests than we can actually

nreeeee— requests than we can actually nreeeee nan— requests than we can actually process right now— requests than we can actually process right now . yesterday, process right now. yesterday, ferre— process right now. yesterday, fewe 77— process right now. yesterday, folks, 77 people— process right now. yesterday, folks, 77 people crossed the cnanner— folks, 77 people crossed the cnanner rn— folks, 77 people crossed the channel in small boats. according— channel in small boats. according to— channel in small boats. according to official stats on weaneeaaw— according to official stats on wednesday, the _ according to official stats on wednesday, the number was a eraaaenna— wednesday, the number was a eraaaenna edd. — wednesday, the number was a staggering 492. in total, wednesday, the number was a staggering 492. in total , 4500 staggering 492. in total, 4500 neopre— staggering 492. in total, 4500 people rnar— staggering 492. in total, 4500 people that were— staggering 492. in total, 4500 people that were know of have been — people that were know of have been detected— people that were know of have been detected crossing the dnenen— been detected crossing the english channel in small boats tnre— english channel in small boats rnre wear. — english channel in small boats rnre year. we— english channel in small boats this year. it's, of— english channel in small boats this year. it's, of course, annea— this year. it's, of course, divided the— this year. it's, of course, divided the main political nanree— divided the main political nanree ae— divided the main political parties as well as the nation. so parties as well as the nation. do just— parties as well as the nation. so we wnat— parties as well as the nation. so just what do— parties as well as the nation. so just what do we do with neopre— so just what do we do with people rnar— so just what do we do with people that arrive here without documentation _ people that arrive here without documentation and a story that nae— documentation and a story that nae w— documentation and a story that nae to de— documentation and a story that has to be surely— documentation and a story that has to be surely investigated ana— has to be surely investigated and ne— has to be surely investigated and no one seems to have a werwadre— and no one seems to have a workable answer.- and no one seems to have a workable answer. and regardless of wow— workable answer. and regardless of your thoughts— workable answer. and regardless of your thoughts on the reason neopre— of your thoughts on the reason people aernarw— of your thoughts on the reason people actually make the ereeerne— people actually make the crossing when _ people actually make the crossing when they do and the we— crossing when they do and the reasons the motivations for man— reasons the motivations for rnaw wnat— reasons the motivations for that, what do— reasons the motivations for that, what do we do when they near— that, what do we do when they near war— that, what do we do when they near tnat re— that, what do we do when they hear that to house— that, what do we do when they hear that to house people, to keep— hear that to house people, to keep neopre— hear that to house people, to keep people safe? all of those rearw— keep people safe? all of those really important— keep people safe? all of those really important issues ? well, a really important issues? well, a wne— really important issues? well, a man who knows— really important issues? well, a man who knows a— really important issues? well, a man who knows a thing or two anew— man who knows a thing or two adent rnre— man who knows a thing or two adent rnre re— man who knows a thing or two about this is the— man who knows a thing or two about this is the immigration lawyer,— about this is the immigration

lawyerr wan— about this is the immigration lawyer, ivan sampson . ivan joins lawyer, ivan sampson. ivan joins me now. ivan, thank you very nnen— me now. ivan, thank you very nnen fer— me now. ivan, thank you very nnen fer wenr— me now. ivan, thank you very much for your time. now that enn— much for your time. now that etan were— much for your time. now that start there that— much for your time. now that start there that i— much for your time. now that start there that i mentioned neon— start there that i mentioned neon neopre— start there that i mentioned 4500 people this year that we knew— 4500 people this year that we knew anew— 4500 people this year that we know about at— 4500 people this year that we know about at this barge that's set know about at this barge that's eet re— know about at this barge that's eet to de— know about at this barge that's set to be moored— know about at this barge that's set to be moored in portland par,— set to be moored in portland den, wnren— set to be moored in portland port, which is— set to be moored in portland port, which is a— set to be moored in portland port, which is a barge off of dereer— port, which is a barge off of dereer .— port, which is a barge off of dereer , soo— port, which is a barge off of dorset , 500 people are seen in dorset, 500 people are seen in war— dorset, 500 people are seen in ma daree— dorset, 500 people are seen in ma daree .— dorset, 500 people are seen in that barge , 4500. _ dorset, 500 people are seen in that barge , 4500. where are we that barge, 4500. where are we going— that barge, 4500. where are we going to— that barge, 4500. where are we going re put— that barge, 4500. where are we going to put everyone else if we're not putting them in nereree— we're not putting them in hotels? and— we're not putting them in hotels? and indeed , in fact, the hotels? and indeed, in fact, the dane— hotels? and indeed, in fact, the barge onw— hotels? and indeed, in fact, the barge only accounts for about reee— barge only accounts for about reee tnan— barge only accounts for about less than half— barge only accounts for about less than half a%_ barge only accounts for about less than half a% of the people in nerere. — less than half a% of the people in hotels. there's— less than half a% of the people in hotels. there's all- less than half a% of the people in hotels. there's all sorts of remember that we house in hotels , many ukrainians who are not refugees. so it doesn't give you a true picture of the people in hotels. the problem the government has is going to if you look at the trend over the last two years, we can expect that small boat crossings in the channel to rise to between 60 to 70,000 people this year. so the barge may be good if we add another about 150 more barges. so we need them up and down the

coastline of the uk. it's just another gimmick, amnesty international said today. it's political theatre for by the home office . and that's exactly home office. and that's exactly what it is . it's the it's the what it is. it's the it's the government saying, look, we're doing something, but it's not going to solve the problem. what they need to do is to properly assess genuine asylum seekers within a reasonable time. those that are not genuine remove them , please remove them. they should remove anyone, especially those coming from safe third countries. we have the power to remove them within two weeks. why are we not doing that? why are we putting them up in in accommodation ? because i mean accommodation? because i mean the accommodation? because i mean rne annua— accommodation? because i mean rne nndne .— accommodation? because i mean rne annne , wen— accommodation? because i mean the public , you know,— ”3“ because i mean the public , you know, half of the public, you know, half of drnene— the public, you know, half of drnene are— the public, you know, half of britons are saying that barges are acceptable— britons are saying that barges are acceptable housing for aewnn— are acceptable housing for asylum seekers. so, you know, wnere— asylum seekers. so, you know, wnere wen— asylum seekers. so, you know, where are you pull the where are you to pull the nndnee— where are you to pull thei public?-building where are you to pull the- public?-building more public? i imagine building more of rneee— public? i imagine building more of these barges— public? i imagine building more of these barges where an island nation— of these barges where an island nation .— of these barges where an island nation , wen— of these barges where an island nation , you could— of these barges where an island nation , you could probably build nation, you could probably build anne— nation, you could probably build quite_-_ nation, you could probably build anne—. re- nation, you could probably build anne—. e r- nation, you could probably build quite_. is i mean,i quite a few barges. is i mean, is quite a few barges. is i mean, re wat— quite a few barges. is i mean, re tnat wnat— quite a few barges. is i mean, is that what the— quite a few barges. is i mean, is that what the sort of thing wat— is that what the sort of thing that-going— is that what the sort of thing that-going w- is that what the sort of thing that going to see, you that we're going to see, do you mine— that we're going to see, do you tnrnk war-e— that we're going to see, do you think that's going— that we're going to see, do you think that's going to be the government's— think that's going to be the government's response to eendanne— government's response to combating issue? if government's response to combrgoing issue? if government's response to combrgoing to issue? if government's response to combrgoing to house’ if government's response to combrgoing to house themif government's response to combrgoing to house them for we're going to house them for

weare— we're going to house them for wean-ena— we're going to house them for years-end, then- we're going to house them for years end, then yes. years on upon end, then yes. dat— years on upon end, then yes. dar-want— years on upon end, then yes. but-want-that.| but we don't want to do that. look, we need a proper asylum system that considers these asylum applications efficiently, fairly , and removes those people fairly, and removes those people who are failed asylum seekers . who are failed asylum seekers. and that's what we don't have. instead ed, what we're saying is, look, we're the home office is, look, we're the home office is saying we're really slow at doing this. we're not deciding asylum applications. so what we'll do is we'll put them up in barges. meantime . no, get barges. in the meantime. no, get your together. suella your act together. suella braverman watching braverman. if she's watching this please recruit more this show, please recruit more people. train the right people, decide applications within a reasonable time. i've got clients waiting over a year for asylum interviews . that's one asylum interviews. that's one year now that can't be acceptable. and instead of blaming asylum seekers and by the way , you don't need to have the way, you don't need to have documents if you're an asylum seeker , you can come completely seeker, you can come completely undocumented . but most of my undocumented. but most of my viewers. right. and i know for a

faer— viewers. right. and i know for a fan wre— viewers. right. and i know for a fact this will— viewers. right. and i know for a fact this will be _ , right. and i know for a fact this will be happening up ana— fact this will be happening up and down— fact this will be happening up and down the— fact this will be happening up and down the country. they'll be eerearnrne— and down the country. they'll be eerearnrne ar— and down the country. they'll be screaming at their— and down the country. they'll be screaming at their television, eawne— screaming at their television, sayingllot_ screaming at their television, sayingllot ef— screaming at their television, saying lot of these people saying a lot of these people aen-t— saying a lot of these people aren't asylum _ saying a lot of these people aren't asylum seekers . they're aren't asylum seekers. they're megaw— aren't asylum seekers. they're. rrreear—eene illegal migrants who have come nere— illegal migrants who have come nee—worn— illegal migrants who have come nee—worn .- illegal migrants who have come here—work . right.- illegal migrants who have come here work . right. or here looking for work. right. or nave— here looking for work. right. or have come here— here looking for work. right. or have come here from maybe eennwee— have come here from maybe countries like— have come here from maybe countries like albania and are getting— countries like albania and are eerrrne teet— countries like albania and are eerrrne we in— countries like albania and are getting lost in away from the aetnar— getting lost in away from the actual official— getting lost in away from the actual official systems and are getting— actual official systems and are eerrrne na— actual official systems and are eerrrne nn re— actual official systems and are eerrrne nn re ne— actual official systems and are getting up to no good. they're eawne— getting up to no good. they're eawrne rnew-re— getting up to no good. they're saying they're not asylum seekers. so _ saying they're not asylum seekers. so stop calling them aewnn— seekers. so stop calling them asylum seekers— seekers. so stop calling them asylum seekers . _ seekers. so stop calling them asylum seekers . 3: 301315 asylum seekers. indeed, i agree with you. look, don't blame blame albanians for looking for work here. if you have strong deterrents, if i'm an albanian, and i know that if i go across to the uk and within two weeks i'm going to end up back in albania, i'm not going to pay the money to go there in the first place. we need effective deterrents. and the only way we do that is have proper robust removal of those failed non—genuine asylum seekers. so then are you saying that if “it" so then are you saying that if we nave— then are you saying that if we nave wre— then are you saying that if we have this robust— then are you saying that if we have this robust removal, we dnne— have this robust removal, we dnne wat— have this robust removal, we bring that about? won't it be won— bring that about? won't it be your profession— bring that about? won't it be your profession that seeks to make— your profession that seeks to make enn— your profession that seeks to make stop that— your profession that seeks to make stop that through the

european— make stop that through the european court— make stop that through the european court ? european court? look, no, we promote i promote genuine asylum seekers . i will not. and promote i promote genuine asylum seekers. i will not. and i'm sure many of my colleagues will say exactly the same thing. we want to protect those people that are being persecuted. i've seen over the last three years the hearts of this nation growing colder towards people fleeing persecution . an it's not fleeing persecution. an it's not what we do . it's just not the what we do. it's just not the british way that we do things. we warmly welcomed those people fleeing persecution and we should continue to welcome them in the future. yeah, but when you've got half a million people net coming here last year, the british people are saying, well, hang on a minute for people already here, we've got a housing crisis, we've got a health care crisis, we've got an education crisis. what are we going— education crisis. what are we going to— education crisis. what are we going to actually— education crisis. what are we going to actually do- 33 rzzr" if.” what are we going to actually do with people wnen— going to actually do with people wnen new— going to actually do with people when they arrive— going to actually do with people when they arrive here? britain cann— when they arrive here? britain can't ultimate— when they arrive here? britain can't ultimate be— when they arrive here? britain can't ultimate be the end destination— can't ultimate be the end destination for- can't ultimate be the end destination for everybody that wante— destination for everybody that wanre w — destination for everybody that wants to come— destination for everybody that wants to come here, can it? i agree— wants to come here, can it? i agree wen— wants to come here, can it? i agree wnn wan.— wants to come here, can it? i agree with you. but- wants to come here, can it? i agree with you. but the data doesn't bear that out. look we're 17th on the league of

countries accepting asylum seekers for every for every 10,000 population in this country. we take seven. germany takes 14. we actually don't take enough asylum seekers. i disagree with, you know, but france is rejecting far more than we are, though . well, i than we are, though. well, i don't know about who they're rejecting, but the point is genuine asylum seekers . we genuine asylum seekers. we should have more. we should process more. we don't take our fair share . and that's fair share. and that's absolutely a fact . we're way absolutely a fact. we're way down on the list. come on. half. dw— down on the list. come on. half. dnr wen-e— down on the list. come on. half. but you're talking— 3 l come on. half. but you're talking 500,000 people— but you're talking 500,000 people earne— but you're talking 500,000 people came here last year eeewne— people came here last year seeking asylum. many of them from— seeking asylum. many of them from ukraine,— seeking asylum. many of them from ukraine, afghanistan and none— from ukraine, afghanistan and hong kong-— from ukraine, afghanistan and hong kong. yeah, that's. that's a ret— hong kong. yeah, that's. that's a ret ef— hong kong. yeah, that's. that's a dr of people-_ hong kong. yeah, that's. that's a lot of people. no i have to eenee— a lot of people. no i have to r wen. — a lot of people. no i have to correct you. hong- a lot of people. no i have to correct you. mg g a lot of people. no i have to correct you. rzzrg g e correct you. hong kong didn't seek asylum. neither did ukrainians. no ukrainian, british, overseas nationals , british, overseas nationals, passports were able to come here last year. so a lot of them did come over here— last year. so a lot of them did come over here last— so a lot of them did come over here last year. ' 3 come over here last year. and wat— come over here last year. and that wa— come over here last year. and that was through a scheme that government opened up. and but they are seeking asylum. it

might not be asylum 3 it might not be asylum seekers, but new— might not be asylum seekers, but rnew—eeew- they are coming here to seek aewnn— they are coming here to seek aewnn non — they are coming here to seek asylum from chinese tyranny . asylum from chinese tyranny. na,— asylum from chinese tyranny. wan-canning— asylum from chinese tyranny. no,-coming here- asylum from chinese tyranny. i no,-coming here because no, they're coming here because the government's allowed them to come here on a special visa program. ukraine aliens were allowed to come in a special allowed to come in on a special visa program. asylum seekers visa program. no asylum seekers are a fraction of what we should be taking and that those those are the facts. and it's the rhetoric, the myths , rhetoric, the myths, misrepresentation of the facts that the british people, if they knew that we actually take a fraction of other countries. i just want to give you a quote deane— just want to give you a quote because there's— just want to give you a quote because there's a— just want to give you a quote because there's a quote in this is because there's a quote in this e in— because there's a quote in this e in we— because there's a quote in this is in the mail— because there's a quote in this is in the mail today. and it's anenne— is in the mail today. and it's anenne a— is in the mail today. and it's quoting a sudanese refugee who tera— quoting a sudanese refugee who toldlbroadcaster_ quoting a sudanese refugee who told broadcaster here, i don't told a broadcaster here, i don't want— told a broadcaster here, i don't want to— told a broadcaster here, i don't want to 90-— told a broadcaster here, i don't wanr re 90- ana— told a broadcaster here, i don't want to go. and that's talking anew— want to go. and that's talking adent rne— want to go. and that's talking about the dorset— want to go. and that's talking about the dorset barge . i would about the dorset barge. i would go about the dorset barge. i would 90 nenereee.— about the dorset barge. i would go homeless. and— about the dorset barge. i would go homeless. and a second one earn— go homeless. and a second one earn war— go homeless. and a second one earn tnat ne— go homeless. and a second one said that he can't— go homeless. and a second one said that he can't move and weed— said that he can't move and weed people_ said that he can't move and weed people re— said that he can't move and urged people to protest outside his urged people to protest outside nre newer.— urged people to protest outside his hotel. actually advocating war— his hotel. actually advocating tnat were-e— his hotel. actually advocating that there's disruption on the eweere— that there's disruption on the eweere ef— that there's disruption on the streets of britain— that there's disruption on the streets of britain when people read— streets of britain when people read tneee— streets of britain when people read these sort— streets of britain when people read these sort of— streets of britain when people read these sort of stories and neopre— read these sort of stories and people nave— read these sort of stories and people have illegally entered wre— people have illegally entered rnre eennww— people have illegally entered this country, people feel nanny— this country, people feel rightly .—

this country, people feel rightly , rn— this country, people feel rightly , in my- this country, people feel rightly , in my view, really rightly, in my view, really aetnarw— rightly, in my view, really actually quite _ rightly, in my view, really actually quite upset that this is actually quite upset that this re anewea— actually quite upset that this is allowed to— actually quite upset that this is allowed to go— actually quite upset that this is allowed to go on. because if you— is allowed to go on. because if wen are— is allowed to go on. because if you are genuinely— is allowed to go on. because if you are genuinely seeking refuge away— you are genuinely seeking refuge away from— you are genuinely seeking refuge away from bomb— you are genuinely seeking refuge away from bomb bullet and all the away from bomb bullet and all we reer— away from bomb bullet and all we net of— away from bomb bullet and all the rest of it— away from bomb bullet and all the rest of it and— away from bomb bullet and all the rest of it and you're not eeewne— the rest of it and you're not eeewne w— the rest of it and you're not seeking to flee— the rest of it and you're not seeking to flee away from eneeeee— seeking to flee away from cheeses and _ seeking to flee away from cheeses and baguettes in france, wnen— cheeses and baguettes in france, wnren re— cheeses and baguettes in france, wnren re wnat— cheeses and baguettes in france, which is what a— cheeses and baguettes in france, which is what a lot— cheeses and baguettes in france, which is what a lot of people doing— which is what a lot of people are doing because they're coming nere— are doing because they're coming nere fren— are doing because they're coming here from france— are doing because they're coming here from france ,_ are doing because they're coming here from france , then people here from france, then people reen— here from france, then people new at— here from france, then people new at we— here from france, then people look at the disrespect act for a...— look at the disrespect act for we dnnen— look at the disrespect act for the british taxpayer and rightly feel the british taxpayer and rightly reer pretty— the british taxpayer and rightly feel pretty aggrieved by that. now:— feel pretty aggrieved by that. new r— feel pretty aggrieved by that. new r an— feel pretty aggrieved by that. now, i can understand- feel pretty aggrieved by that. now, i can understand that. but look, the mindsets are all wrong about around this problem and people coming here to we have an obugafion people coming here to we have an obligation under the refugee convention. we've got to comply with that. it's not like we're doing you a favour by considering your asylum claim and we got to get off this this attitude that we're doing you a favour, mate, because you're coming here and you should be grateful for even if we stick you in a barge and you should be grateful. look, i'd want to be treated fairly if i was claiming asylum in another country , i'd

asylum in another country, i'd expect the same treatment to be given to those that are coming to this country. so tell us, then. tell my viewers, how many people— then. tell my viewers, how many people wenra— then. tell my viewers, how many people wenra de— “t:“ tell my viewers, how many people would be enough? how many neopre— people would be enough? how many neopre-aewrnn — people would be enough? how many people asylum should, in people seeking asylum should, in wow— people seeking asylum should, in wne—— people seeking asylum should, in wenr—we-wel your view, should we allow we enenra — your view, should we allow we should -100,000 - your view, should we allow we. should -100,000 lyear should be taking 100,000 a year aewrnn— should be taking 100,000 a year asylum seekers— should be taking 100,000 a year asylum seekers and look, that anera— asylum seekers and look, that anera eeene— asylum seekers and look, that quota seems like— asylum seekers and look, that quota seems like a lot, but it ren-n — quota seems like a lot, but it ren-n .rne— quota seems like a lot, but it isn't. .the unchr- quota seems like a lot, but it isn't. .the unchr and. quota seems like a lot, but it. isn't. .the unchr and the isn't. and the unchr and the other countries should get together and every country should take their fair share. and then where should we put rnene— and then where should we put rnerne rnen— and then where should we put them? then on— and then where should we put them? then on that 100,000 neopre— them? then on that 100,000 neenre wnere — them? then on that 100,000 people, where they people, where should they go? warr— people, where should they go? werr. n— people, where should they go? werr. d you— people, where should they go? well, if you decide— people, where should they go? well, if you decide asylum application a reasonable application within a reasonable time, which i say should be no longer than three months, that's the maximum you should take, then they work . if they've then they can work. if they've been granted, they can work. they themselves they can integrate themselves into society. those that are into our society. those that are not genuine remove them. we've got the power to do that. why are we not removing? we keep saying are we not removing? we keep eawrne war.— are we not removing? we keep saying that, though. - t'3rt; ”rt:“rtr “g? we keep saying that, though. but then wnen— saying that, though. but then wnen we— saying that, though. but then wnen we no— saying that, though. but then when we do actually attempt to do when we do actually attempt to no war.— when we do actually attempt to are rnar. rr-e— when we do actually attempt to do that, it's held _ when we do actually attempt to do that, it's held up in the eenen— do that, it's held up in the eenen wee — do that, it's held up in the courts. yes look,- do that, it's held up in the courts. yes look, the ultimate solution is we need an agreement with france . we need an with france. we need an agreement that's not going to

happen. i'm afraid that's nrenranren— happen. i'm afraid that's utopianism .— happen. i'm afraid that's utopianism . that- i'm afraid that's utopianism . that is the utopianism. that is the eernnen.— utopianism. that is the solution. it's- utopianism. that is the solution. it's not going to happen— solution. it's not going to happen because the don't happen because the french don't want— happen because the french don't want we— happen because the french don't wanr rne neopre— happen because the french don't want the people staying there. t hey— want the people staying there. they wenra— want the people staying there. they would rather them do aernarrw— they would rather them do actually make _ they would rather them do actually make the journey and waver— actually make the journey and waver ever— actually make the journey and travel over to _ actually make the journey and travel over to britain because rnen— travel over to britain because. rnen—werr. then they're our problem. well, we doing— then they're our problem. well, we were doing that with the dndrrn— we were doing that with the dublin convention before left dublin convention before we left the dublin convention before we left rne-neen— dublin convention before we left rne-neen we— dublin convention before we left the - need we need - dublin convention before we left the-need we need a. dublin convention before we left. the-need we need a treaty the eu. we need we need a treaty akin to the dublin convention. and whatever the french need, we need to find out what it is that we need to horse trade with them to get that treated back in place. once we have place. and once we have that treaty back place, if i knew treaty back in place, if i knew that i'm coming the uk that if i'm coming to the uk from france, i'm going to get sent back, i would the sent back, i would not make the journey. that a deterrent journey. that is a deterrent that we need . not putting that we need. not putting up people barges , not this people in barges, not this political and it's just political theatre and it's just it's embarrassing. well, hey, i mean, it's embarrassing. well, hey, i r-n going— it's embarrassing. well, hey, i mean, i'm going to— it's embarrassing. well, hey, i mean, i'm going to say- e rt: “g well, hey, i mean, i'm going to say something rnar-e— mean, i'm going to say something rnar-e going— mean, i'm going to say something rnar-e going re— mean, i'm going to say something that's going to make your blood derr— that's going to make your blood derr-aennn - that's going to make your blood boil,-doubt. but- boil, i have no doubt. but i rnrnw— boil, i have no doubt. but i rnrnr we— boil, i have no doubt. but i think we need— boil, i have no doubt. but i think we need to leave the echr, i'm think we need to leave the echr, r-n anna— think we need to leave the echr, i'm afraid, because— think we need to leave the echr, i'm afraid, because i think nrnnarerw— i'm afraid, because i think ultimately british ultimately the british people enenra—wne- ultimately the british people should _who can| should be the ones who can aerernrne— should be the ones who can- determine _ doesn't should be the ones who can- deterr here. _ doesn't should be the ones who can- deterrhere. and-doesn't should be the ones who can deterrhere. and i doesn't should be the ones who can deterrhere. and i don't doesn't should be the ones who can deterrhere. and i don't thinksn't come here. and i don't think rnar-e— come here. and i don't think ware-re- come here. and i don't think that's-to.with. come here. and i don't think. that's-to.with the that's anything to do with the eu that's anything to do with the en leenree— that's anything to do with the eu .course, that— that's anything to do with the eu course, that court is eu of course, that court is eennrererw— eu of course, that court is completely separate, but

nrnnarerw— completely separate, but ultimately, you know, brexit, we weren— ultimately, you know, brexit, we werea dean— ultimately, you know, brexit, we voted brexit for— ultimately, you know, brexit, we voted brexit for a— ultimately, you know, brexit, we voted brexit for a reason. as a warrant.— voted brexit for a reason. as a ianrnarrer. wan— voted brexit for a reason. as a journalist, you have freedom of expression, don't you? it's because of the echr that you have that right. oh, come on. before the echr was brought about , we had freedom of about, we had freedom of expression in britain. well , let expression in britain. well, let me correct you. it's not the case. case that came case. a leading case that came before court . the human before the court. the human rights is you have rights court is why you have freedom expression. all freedom of expression. all because the echr look, the rights of the of the of the convention an are to protect all of us. all of our human rights is not just about focusing on asylum seekers. and you're not going to dump whole thing going to dump the whole thing because seekers . that because of asylum seekers. that would ridiculous. we'll have would be ridiculous. we'll have to agree re— would be ridiculous. we'll have to agree to disagree— 3 3 r: t we'll have to agree to disagree then. ivan, rnanr— to agree to disagree then. ivan, rnanr-nnen- to agree to disagree then. ivan, thank-much for- to agree to disagree then. ivan, thank much for your thank you very much for your wne— thank you very much for your rrne-rnar— thank you very much for your time-that was- thank you very much for your time that was ivan time today. that was ivan sanneen. — time today. that was ivan- sampson. _lawyer sampson. immigration lawyer were.— sampson. immigration lawyer rnere. wow.— sampson. immigration lawyer there. now, folks, are you prannrng— there. now, folks, are you prannrng a— there. now, folks, are you planning a lovely british beach dear— planning a lovely british beach drear rnre— planning a lovely british beach break this weekend ? i'm going to break this weekend? i'm going to be break this weekend? i'm going to de areeneerng— break this weekend? i'm going to be discussing our— break this weekend? i'm going to be discussing our waterways and wet wrnee— be discussing our waterways and wer wrnee rarer— be discussing our waterways and wet wipes later on. _ be discussing our waterways and wet wipes later on. not a very nee— wet wipes later on. not a very r— wet wipes later on. not a very nice one, i must— wet wipes later on. not a very nice one, i must say. next rnengn— nice one, i must say. next rnengn rne— nice one, i must say. next though, the former editor and mean— though, the former editor and media commentator paul coney. ana— media commentator paul coney. and we— media commentator paul coney.

and the political— media commentator paul coney. and the political commentator snanne— and the political commentator suzanne evans— and the political commentator suzanne evans are here to lock nerne— suzanne evans are here to lock nerne en— suzanne evans are here to lock nerne on he— suzanne evans are here to lock horns on this week's news .

welcome back. you're watching danen— welcome back. you're watching darren grimes.— welcome back. you're watching darren grimes. i'm in for laurence fox— darren grimes. i'm in for laurence fox on this glorious need— laurence fox on this glorious eeea fridav-_ laurence fox on this glorious good friday. i'm— laurence fox on this glorious good friday. i'm joined here in the good friday. i'm joined here in we ernare— good friday. i'm joined here in we ernare dw— good friday. i'm joined here in the studio by the— good friday. i'm joined here in the studio by the former editor ana— the studio by the former editor and mean— the studio by the former editor and media commentator paul coney and media commentator paul coney ana nerrnear— and media commentator paul coney and political commentator snanne— and political commentator suzanne evans— and political commentator suzanne evans to reflect on some of suzanne evans to reflect on some on he— suzanne evans to reflect on some on rnre eeer— suzanne evans to reflect on some of this week's news— suzanne evans to reflect on some of this week's news as well as reenng— of this week's news as well as looking ahead— of this week's news as well as looking ahead to— of this week's news as well as looking ahead to the weekend. ana— looking ahead to the weekend. and we— looking ahead to the weekend. and we on— looking ahead to the weekend. and first of all,— looking ahead to the weekend. and first of all, would like new— and first of all, would like den of— and first of all, would like den of wow— and first of all, would like both of your thoughts on the nrgranr— both of your thoughts on the nrgranr darge. — both of your thoughts on the migrant barge. suzanne, i'm going— migrant barge. suzanne, i'm gerng re— migrant barge. suzanne, i'm gerng re cone— migrant barge. suzanne, i'm going to come to you first. i den-r— going to come to you first. i den-r knew— going to come to you first. i don't know if— going to come to you first. i don't know if you- going to come to you first. i don't know if you heard the last eegnenr— don't know if you heard the last eegnenr rnere— don't know if you heard the last segment there with ivan sampson, the immigration— segment there with ivan sampson, the immigration lawyer , talking the immigration lawyer, talking adenr— the immigration lawyer, talking adenr rne— the immigration lawyer, talking about the dorset— the immigration lawyer, talking about the dorset barge . i mean, about the dorset barge. i mean, are about the dorset barge. i mean, wen— about the dorset barge. i mean, won for— about the dorset barge. i mean, are you for this?— about the dorset barge. i mean, are you for this? the british neopre— are you for this? the british people are— are you for this? the british people are saying, look, we like

he— people are saying, look, we like rnre mere— people are saying, look, we like rnre en— people are saying, look, we like this more of this,— people are saying, look, we like this more of this, please. warr— this more of this, please. werr. r— this more of this, please. well, i think— this more of this, please. well, i think the- this more of this, please. well, i think the british people like it, but i think not everybody lives dorset. and everybody lives in dorset. and clearly people dorset clearly the people of dorset don't all. both the don't like it at all. both the local the mayor have local mp and the mayor have i think, quite rightly expressed concerns about damage concerns about the damage it will tourism industry will do to the tourism industry and fact that the cost and also the fact that the cost of it's a gimmick, i think of this, it's a gimmick, i think to be honest, darren, i think it's a sticking plaster. there's a massive problem with the asylum backlog. it's at a 20 year 160,000 people year high, 160,000 people waiting for their cases to be processed. this is this is nothing. a barge for 500 people. that's just yesterday. and today's illegal crossings across the channel and it's full mean. i really feel for dorset actually being put in this situation . ian, there's going to situation. ian, there's going to be a problem also , i think with be a problem also, i think with the tourism industry. we need umpteen barges like this, but ultimately , and i think your ultimately, and i think your previous interviewee was absolutely the immigration lawyer this is not lawyer was spot on. this is not a deterrent. it's not going to solve the problem. there's only one to this. and that's one solution to this. and that's stop the boats coming across the

channel and rid of this channel and get rid of this asylum backlog. i totally channel and get rid of this asylurwith:klog. i totally channel and get rid of this asylurwith what i totally channel and get rid of this asylurwith what he i totally channel and get rid of this asylurwith what he was)tally channel and get rid of this asylurwith what he was saying agree with what he was saying about have genuine about we need to have genuine asylum coming in and we asylum seekers coming in and we should do more i've should do more of that. i've always that. but 500,000 always said that. but 500,000 last always said that. but 500,000 raer-rnengn— always said that. but 500,000 last .though, it's - always said that. but 500,000 last-though, it's a - always said that. but 500,000 last-though, it's a big- last year though, it's a big nnrnerd— last year though, it's a big number, isn't— last year though, it's a big number, isn't it, suzanne? well wen.— number, isn't it, suzanne? well well, 500,000— number, isn't it, suzanne? well well, 500,000 is— number, isn't it, suzanne? well well, 500,000 is the kind of net nrgranen— well, 500,000 is the kind of net nrgranen-r-nn- well, 500,000 is the kind of net migration-i'm-surel migration figure. i'm not sure i agree— migration figure. i'm not sure i agree with his his saying that we should take in 100,000 every that's 20% is quite big. but yeah, paul, 100,000 every year. what do you reckon? that's not out what do you reckon? that's not eat at— what do you reckon? that's not out of the question . i mean, i out of the question. i mean, i think out of the question. i mean, i rnrnr w-wee— out of the question. i mean, i think we've got— out of the question. i mean, i think we've got to— out of the question. i mean, i think we've got to look- 3 i mean, i think we've got to look at this rearw— think we've got to look at this really realistically. we are an agerng— really realistically. we are an ageing population. we need more regar— ageing population. we need more regar nrgranre.— ageing population. we need more legal migrants. we— ageing population. we need more legal migrants. we need we need an aewrnn — legal migrants. we need we need an asylum system— legal migrants. we need we need an asylum system that works not wrrn— an asylum system that works not wrrn we— an asylum system that works not wrrn we or— an asylum system that works not with i% of last— an asylum system that works not with 1% of last year's entry derng— with 1% of last year's entry being processed- with 1% of last year's entry being processed . and this is being processed. and this is nerrnear— being processed. and this is political gimmickry . the barge political gimmickry. the barge is political gimmickry. the barge re grnnrerrw— political gimmickry. the barge is gimmickry. so— political gimmickry. the barge is gimmickry. so is the rwanda pran— is gimmickry. so is the rwanda pran- rnere— is gimmickry. so is the rwanda plan. there are— is gimmickry. so is the rwanda plan. there are no— is gimmickry. so is the rwanda plan. there are no solutions , plan. there are no solutions, ran.— plan. there are no solutions, ran. ana— plan. there are no solutions, ian. and what's— plan. there are no solutions, ian. and what's more, we now nave— ian. and what's more, we now nave rne— ian. and what's more, we now have the absurd— ian. and what's more, we now have the absurd situation. nonre— have the absurd situation. rrenre ae— have the absurd situation. rrenre ae a— have the absurd situation. ironic as a labour supporter, wen— ironic as a labour supporter, wen knew— ironic as a labour supporter, wen knew .— ironic as a labour supporter, you knew . en— ironic as a labour supporter, you knew . er a— ironic as a labour supporter, you know , of a tory mp , a tory you know, of a tory mp, a tory

eennerr— you know, of a tory mp, a tory eennerr .— you know, of a tory mp, a tory eennerr . wen— you know, of a tory mp, a tory council , you know,— you know, of a tory mp, a tory council , you know, now you know, of a tory mp, a tory council, you know, now siding wrrn— council, you know, now siding wrrn rne— council, you know, now siding with the refugee— council, you know, now siding with the refugee council and the oppeernen— with the refugee council and the opposition parties— with the refugee council and the opposition parties in saying he— opposition parties in saying rnre re— opposition parties in saying this is absurd— opposition parties in saying this is absurd and ridiculous ana— this is absurd and ridiculous and we— this is absurd and ridiculous and we have,— this is absurd and ridiculous and we have, we— this is absurd and ridiculous and we have, we have the former none— and we have, we have the former nerne eeererarw— and we have, we have the former home secretary, priti patel, and the home secretary, priti patel, and we went— home secretary, priti patel, and the current foreign secretary , the current foreign secretary, ranee— the current foreign secretary, ranee crewerrw— the current foreign secretary, james cleverly saying about erner— james cleverly saying about one prane— james cleverly saying about other plans not— james cleverly saying about other plans not not on our daren. — other plans not not on our daren. r— other plans not not on our patch. i mean,— other plans not not on our patch. i mean, this is ridiculous. - patch. i mean, this is ridiculous. karrie: patch. i mean, this is- ridiculous. well, paul, what do you think many of my viewers are saying? but where do people go when they come here if we do increase migration numbers, where do people go? because right now we've got significant housing shortages . and as you housing shortages. and as you know, the nhs is in a total state. but the nhs is in a total state. but the nhs is in a total state. but the nhs is in a total state. but the nhs badly needs enrrea— state. but the nhs badly needs more skilled .— state. but the nhs badly needs more skilled . and— but the nhs badly needs more skilled . and you know, and more skilled. and you know, and aren— more skilled. and you know, and aree we— more skilled. and you know, and aree we need— more skilled. and you know, and also we need in— more skilled. and you know, and also we need in the— more skilled. and you know, and also we need in the social care eeeerr— also we need in the social care eeeerr ner— also we need in the social care eeeerr ner ee— also we need in the social care sector, not so clearly skilled, dnr— sector, not so clearly skilled, dnr we— sector, not so clearly skilled, dnr we need— sector, not so clearly skilled, but we need immigrant. sector, not so clearly skilled, but we need immigrant . we you but we need immigrant. we you knew.— but we need immigrant. we you knew. we— but we need immigrant. we you knew. we nave— but we need immigrant. we you know, we have got— but we need immigrant. we you know, we have got to build, you knew.— know, we have got to build, you know, even this— know, we have got to build, you know, even this government are aeeennng— know, even this government are aeeenrrng er— know, even this government are accepting or accepting the level of immigration— accepting or accepting the level of immigration which bears no reranen— of immigration which bears no reranen re— of immigration which bears no relation to the— of immigration which bears no relation to the tens of thousands— relation to the tens of thousands that was being you

knew.— thousands that was being you know. wat— thousands that was being you know, that would be absolutely rnneeerdre.— know, that would be absolutely impossible. this— know, that would be absolutely impossible. this is just another regaew— impossible. this is just another regaew ef— impossible. this is just another regaew or we— impossible. this is just another legacy of the brexit disaster . legacy of the brexit disaster. ah.— legacy of the brexit disaster. or. sam— legacy of the brexit disaster. oh, susanna, is— legacy of the brexit disaster. oh, susanna, is this- legacy of the brexit disaster. oh, susanna, is this the- legacy of the brexit disaster. oh, susanna, is this the brexit disaster? let me go back to what danr— disaster? let me go back to what danr wae— disaster? let me go back to what danr eawrng— disaster? let me go back to what paul was saying first— r: ”7’ let me go back to what paul was saying first about neearng— paul was saying first about needing more— paul was saying first about needing more immigrants. yeah wen.— needing more immigrants. yeah werr. eenarnrw— needing more immigrants. yeah well, certainly the _ needing more immigrants. yeah well, certainly the nhs eenarnrw— well, certainly the nhs certainly needs more staff. i rnrnw— certainly needs more staff. i rnrnw-de— certainly needs more staff. i think-be much- certainly needs more staff. i think-be much if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained-be much if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up be much if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up itse much if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up its own ich if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up its own people if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up its own people . if it trained up its own people. rnere— it trained up its own people. rnere-ef— it trained up its own people. there of thousands of there are tens of thousands of neopre— there are tens of thousands of neenre-re— there are tens of thousands of people-to become- there are tens of thousands of people to become nurses people want to become nurses even— people want to become nurses ewew wear— people want to become nurses every year-they're- every year and they're turned newn— every year and they're turned down-cone— every year and they're turned down.-come on,- every year and they're turned down. come on, care home nhs down. but come on, care home nhs . rneee— down. but come on, care home nhs . rneee are— down. but come on, care home nhs . rneee ner— down. but come on, care home nhs . these are not the— down. but come on, care home nhs . these are not the kind of nrgranre— . these are not the kind of nrgranre we— . these are not the kind of migrants we want. i thought it anne— migrants we want. i thought it was quite interesting that the neopre— was quite interesting that the people rnar— was quite interesting that the people that are— was quite interesting that the people that are going to be neneea— people that are going to be housed .this_ people that are going to be housed .this-are. people that are going to be housed this are all housed in this barge are all young,— housed in this barge are all youngr younge— housed in this barge are all young, young, men. they young, young, single men. they are young, young, single men. they ner— young, young, single men. they are not genuine— young, young, single men. they are not genuine asylum seekers wnere— are not genuine asylum seekers wnere rnew-re — are not genuine asylum seekers where they're from, people rwrng — where they're from, people rwrng n— where they're from, people rwrng rr nnn.— where they're from, people trying it from. they are not. we knew— trying it from. they are not. we know for— trying it from. they are not. we knew fer-war— trying it from. they are not. we know for-that a- trying it from. they are not. we know for-that a lot- trying it from. they are not. we know for that a lot of know for a fact that a lot of rnen — know for a fact that a lot of them are criminals. we adeernrerw— them are criminals. we absolutely that them are criminals. we absolutely-that past absolutely know that from past enenene — absolutely know that from past experience and— absolutely know that from past experience and past criminal eeer— experience and past criminal ewenre-nawe— experience and past criminal events have happened , from events that have happened, from neopre— events that have happened, from neenre—aereee- events that have happened, from people—across on. people who've come across on a eweenrng— people who've come across on a sweeping generalisation. well, nang—anwi sweeping generalisation. well,i nang—anw rd hang on, they don't have any id r-they_ hang on, they don't have any id r-thev wer-enr- , they if they weren't criminals, _ , they if they weren't criminals, wouldn't , they if they weren't- criminals,-wouldn't be criminals, they wouldn't be eneerrng — criminals, they wouldn't be checking overboard criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey overboard criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey got overboard criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey got here, rboard criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey got here, werej criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey got here, were they? before they got here, were they? they— before they got here, were they? rnew—nna - before they got here, were they? rnew—nna ef- before they got here, were they? they kind of people they are not the kind of people rnar— they are not the kind of people rnar r— they are not the kind of people rnar r want— they are not the kind of people that i want looking after my eraerrw— that i want looking after my elderly relatives— that i want looking after my elderly relatives in a care none.— elderly relatives in a care none—re- home. you've got to look. van-re—

home. you've got to look. van-we gar— home. you've got to look. van-we gar ra— home. you've got to look. you've got to look- home. you've got to look. you've got to look at- home. you've got to look. you've got to look at every every application properly. that's sweeping general that's such a sweeping general ization that they're all criminals . i ization that they're all criminals. i mean, ization that they're all criminals . i mean, that ization that they're all criminals. i mean, that is ization that they're all criminals . i mean, that is that criminals. i mean, that is that really is i didn't say were really is i didn't say they were all did say all criminals, but i did say that most of them chucked their id which rather id overboard, which rather suggests criminal intent. but suzanne, someone suggests criminal intent. but suzanne,.someone that- suggests criminal intent. but. suzanne,.someone thatiknow suzanne, as someone that i know wen— suzanne, as someone that i know was very passionate— suzanne, as someone that i know was very passionate about, denn— was very passionate about, drexrn ae— was very passionate about, brexit, do you— was very passionate about, brexit, do you put this down to dream— brexit, do you put this down to brexit?- brexit's_ brexit, do you put this down to brexit? brexit's fault? brexit? is it brexit's fault? n-e— brexit? is it brexit's fault? it's absolutely— brexit? is it brexit's fault? it's absolutely brexit? is it brexit's fault?- it's absolutely-i mean, it's absolutely not. i mean, wre— it's absolutely not. i mean, this problem before brexit this problem was before brexit happened, and it's going to continue until after brexit. it's they don't care about whether we're in the european union not. they just care union or not. they just care about can about whether or not they can get i do find it deeply get in. and i do find it deeply disappointing, suspect you disappointing, as i suspect you do too, as well, that do too, darren, as well, that the governments, the successive governments, had tory, governments, we've had all tory, but prime ministers but successive prime ministers and governments we've had since that 2016 vote have not really taken advantage or used the opportunity on rwanda , for opportunity on rwanda, for example, we had the pathetic sight last sunday of the home secretary who didn't even clearly didn't even know about the incident in which 12

protesters, migrant , you know, protesters, migrant, you know, protesters, migrant, you know, protesters were shot dead in rwanda and, you know, and we also have the fact that there is also have the fact that there is a report from the from the home office's own research grouping that says that rwanda is not it's not a safe country. okay. but paul, what— it's not a safe country. okay. but paul, what do— it's not a safe country. okay. but paul, what do you- e rt.rtr. okay. but paul, what do you say to deane— but paul, what do you say to because actually— but paul, what do you say to because actually , suzanne's view because actually, suzanne's view is because actually, suzanne's view re rne— because actually, suzanne's view re rne wew— because actually, suzanne's view re rne en— because actually, suzanne's view is the view of and— because actually, suzanne's view is the view of and i'm sure you wenra— is the view of and i'm sure you wenra accept— is the view of and i'm sure you would accept this— is the view of and i'm sure you would accept this ,_ is the view of and i'm sure you would accept this , the view of would accept this, the view of we— would accept this, the view of rne mar-onw— would accept this, the view of the majority out— would accept this, the view of the majority out there of drrnen— the majority out there of british people, poll after poll enew— british people, poll after poll enew ne— british people, poll after poll show us that— british people, poll after poll show us that actually people want— show us that actually people want newer— show us that actually people want fewer migrants, not more. so want fewer migrants, not more. so no— want fewer migrants, not more. so are won— want fewer migrants, not more. so do you think— want fewer migrants, not more. so do you think that actually dnr— so do you think that actually dnr rnew— so do you think that actually dnr rnew aren— so do you think that actually but they also want they also want— but they also want they also want more nurses. “can want more nurses. they also want more people. yes, but we need more people. yes, but we need more people. yes, but we need more people cleaning the streets . doctors and nurses aren't eenrng— . doctors and nurses aren't eenrng ever— . doctors and nurses aren't eenrng rn— doctors and nurses aren't coming over in dinghies, though, are coming over in dinghies, though, neon-se— coming over in dinghies, though, are-some some. - coming over in dinghies, though,i are-some some. some are they? no. some some. some do. rer— are they? no. some some. some do. rar empre— are they? no. some some. some do. for example, at— are they? no. some some. some do. for example, at the moment, the government's policy is such that if a desperate afghan afghan who worked for the uk forces , you know, in afghan mark forces, you know, in afghan mark steyn but who missed out on getting over here when the

airlift happened, then if they arrived on a dinghy because there's no other safe way for them to get here, that's not a safe way to get here, but it's one way of getting here. then under the current policy , they under the current policy, they would there would be deport id. i mean, that is nonsense. and suzanne , is brexit not complete suzanne, is brexit not complete it until we leave the echr ? is it until we leave the echr? is that the solution to all of rneee— that the solution to all of these issues? - that the solution to all of these issues? will . these issues? well, it's certainly one solution, but ultimately for me, darren, what it comes down to is government at will. we can leave any organised nation we like. if the government in power doesn't have the will to tackle this problem. and afraid i think that's and i'm afraid i think that's what we've seen from the conservative , then it's conservative party, then it's not to stop. all right. not going to stop. all right. it's not going to stop. all right. n-e—rnar- not going to stop. all right. n-e—rnar a- not going to stop. all right. it's—that a recent| it's interesting that a recent derr— it's interesting that a recent new—wru- it's interesting that a recent. nerr—wrrr-wen poll showed now will bring you baa,— poll showed now will bring you daen-grantee- poll showed now will bring you daen-pranree .- poll showed now will bring you back,-promise . i- back, paul. i promise. i promise. now, coming up, folks, are heading to a uk or are you heading to a uk beach or watery what's in watery beauty spot? what's in the water, though? that's the problem because the government has announced going to be has announced it's going to be banning wipes. that banning wet wipes. will that actually turn the tide of pollution ? did you what pollution? did you see what i did there before that ? more

did there before that? more debate panel will be debate with the panel will be back.

in three. welcome back. i'm still darren grimes and i'm still in for laurence fox. we'll continue with the panel . suzanne evans, with the panel. suzanne evans, political commentator on my right, and paul connew, a media commentator and former editor on my left. now let's kick off, first of all, with that labour poster now we're going to show it on screen there , and we'll it on screen there, and we'll all be able to discuss it. it says, do you think adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should go to prison and then it argues that rishi sunak doesn't . we've just got it on doesn't. we've just got it on screen for my radio listeners and viewers , obviously on telly and viewers, obviously on telly now. it says under the tories, 4500 adults convicted of sexually assaulting children

under 16 served no prison time . under 16 served no prison time. labour will lock up dangerous child abusers. i mean, paul, what did you make of this poster? do you think this is clever campaigning? i'm a poster? do you think this is clever campaigning ? i'm a labour clever campaigning? i'm a labour supporterr_ clever campaigning? i'm a labour supporterr dnr— clever campaigning? i'm a labour ennnener. dnr r— clever campaigning? i'm a labour supporter, but i thought- clever campaigning? i'm a labour supporter, but i thought it- t t g“ “g? i'm a labour supporter, but i thought it was crass and badly— supporter, but i thought it was crass and badly judged, and i'm enrnneea— crass and badly judged, and i'm surprised that— crass and badly judged, and i'm surprised that keir— crass and badly judged, and i'm surprised that keir starmer naen-r— surprised that keir starmer naen-r wer— surprised that keir starmer hasn't yet last.— surprised that keir starmer hasn't yet last. i looked anyway.— hasn't yet last. i looked anyway, hadn't actually disowned it . anyway, hadn't actually disowned n . rne— anyway, hadn't actually disowned n . rne nonr— anyway, hadn't actually disowned it . the point the— anyway, hadn't actually disowned it . the point the points there it. the point the points there rne— it. the point the points there are, the stats— it. the point the points there are, the stats are— it. the point the points there are, the stats are right and are eeanaarene— are, the stats are right and are eeanaarene .— are, the stats are right and are scandalous . yes,— are, the stats are right and are scandalous . yes, but to target scandalous. yes, but to target it scandalous. yes, but to target r en— scandalous. yes, but to target n on wen — scandalous. yes, but to target it on rishi sunak— scandalous. yes, but to target it on rishi sunak personally was a drnnaer.— it on rishi sunak personally was a blunder. but— it on rishi sunak personally was a blunder. but it's— it on rishi sunak personally was a blunder. but it's but it's erearrw— a blunder. but it's but it's erearrw nan— a blunder. but it's but it's clearly part of— a blunder. but it's but it's clearly part of what's going to be clearly part of what's going to de a— clearly part of what's going to de a new— clearly part of what's going to de a key reene— clearly part of what's going to be a key issue in— clearly part of what's going to be a key issue in the local ereenene.— be a key issue in the local elections. and _ be a key issue in the local elections. and the next general ereenen— elections. and the next general ereenen re— elections. and the next general election is going— elections. and the next general election is going to be law and erred.— election is going to be law and erred. ana— election is going to be law and erred. ana ar— election is going to be law and order. and at the— election is going to be law and order. and at the moment, enrnnerngrw— order. and at the moment, enrnnerngrw .— order. and at the moment, surprisingly , you think surprisingly, you might think radenr— surprisingly, you might think labour have— surprisingly, you might think labour have a— surprisingly, you might think labour have a clear lead on on wnen— labour have a clear lead on on wnren nanw— labour have a clear lead on on wnren nanw rne— labour have a clear lead on on which party the public , which party the public, aeeerarng— which party the public, according to- which party the public, according to the polls and which party— according to the polls and which nanw wrrr— according to the polls and which nanw wrrr de— according to the polls and which party will be better equipped to raerre— party will be better equipped to are enme— party will be better equipped to tackle crime and— party will be better equipped to tackle crime and what's interesting— tackle crime and what's interesting too, you know , both interesting too, you know, both eraee— interesting too, you know, both eraee are— interesting too, you know, both sides are throwing, if you like, arra— sides are throwing, if you like, arn ar— sides are throwing, if you like, arn ar eaen— sides are throwing, if you like, dirt at each other— sides are throwing, if you like, dirt at each other here. in

faer— dirt at each other here. in nae. w-wee— dirt at each other here. in fact, we've had- dirt at each other here. in fact, we've had we've had keir srarner— fact, we've had we've had keir srarner .— fact, we've had we've had keir starmer , brand— fact, we've had we've had keir starmer , brand ,_ fact, we've had we've had keir starmer , brand , sorry, being starmer, brand, sorry, being dranaea— starmer, brand, sorry, being dranaea ae— starmer, brand, sorry, being branded as a— starmer, brand, sorry, being branded as a friend of the of we— branded as a friend of the of we or— branded as a friend of the of we on we— branded as a friend of the of the of the people smugglers in darrranenr— the of the people smugglers in darrranenr dw— the of the people smugglers in parliament by rishi sunak which wnen— parliament by rishi sunak which wnren wae— parliament by rishi sunak which which was grossly— parliament by rishi sunak which which was grossly unfair to you ana— which was grossly unfair to you and won— which was grossly unfair to you and you knew— which was grossly unfair to you and you know and— which was grossly unfair to you and you know and we and we also ana— and you know and we and we also and we— and you know and we and we also and we aren— and you know and we and we also and we aree nave— and you know and we and we also and we also have figures, ngnree— and we also have figures, figures that— and we also have figures, figures that that show that the war— figures that that show that the ma rne — figures that that show that the that the public— figures that that show that the that the public are are torn are a...— that the public are are torn are ten en— that the public are are torn are ten on he— that the public are are torn are torn on this issue.— that the public are are torn are torn on this issue. but i was we— torn on this issue. but i was we earner— torn on this issue. but i was the editor who _ torn on this issue. but i was the editor who was legally rnwanea— the editor who was legally thwarted from _ the editor who was legally thwarted from exposing jemmy sawre— thwarted from exposing jemmy sawre rn— thwarted from exposing jemmy savile in 1994.— thwarted from exposing jemmy savile in 1994. and the trouble the savile in 1994. and the trouble rne wendre— savile in 1994. and the trouble the trouble is— savile in 1994. and the trouble the trouble is the— savile in 1994. and the trouble the trouble is the police have taken— the trouble is the police have never taken this— the trouble is the police have never taken this seriously enengn.— never taken this seriously enough. yeah.— never taken this seriously enough. yeah. and but the fact is enough. yeah. and but the fact re rnar— enough. yeah. and but the fact re rnar rnar— enough. yeah. and but the fact is that that where— enough. yeah. and but the fact is that that where labour nrerawe— is that that where labour nrerawe rn— is that that where labour mistake in targeting sunak is it's mistake in targeting sunak is we ner— mistake in targeting sunak is we not we— mistake in targeting sunak is it's not the prime minister or rne— it's not the prime minister or even the government who decide the even the government who decide rne eenrenee— even the government who decide the sentences for— even the government who decide the sentences for child sex adnee— the sentences for child sex abuse abusers— the sentences for child sex abuse abusers .— the sentences for child sex abuse abusers. it is it is the inagee— abuse abusers. it is it is the inagee er— abuse abusers. it is it is the judges or magistrates court, depending— judges or magistrates court, depending en— judges or magistrates court, depending on on where the where

new— depending on on where the where new wrea— depending on on where the where new new eawrng— depending on on where the where they tried saying that it's an reene— they tried saying that it's an en— they tried saying that it's an issue of fairness— they tried saying that it's an issue of fairness really isn't rw — issue of fairness really isn't rw dar— issue of fairness really isn't it? but suzanne,- issue of fairness really isn't it? but suzanne, i- issue of fairness really isn't it? e ’“ ’“ issue of fairness really isn't- it? but suzanne, i mean , do you it? but suzanne, i mean, do you remember when boris johnson had said to sir keir starmer, you were director of public prosecutions, you were soft on you know, you mentioned jemmy savile, and that was crushed to jemmy savile yeah, exactly. but has there been the same level of condemnation, think, for condemnation, do you think, for this poster, this campaign and as there was when boris johnson came out and said, well, you were on jemmy savile? were soft on jemmy savile? i think there has been quite i was quite this morning quite heartened this morning actually, quite lot actually, to see quite a lot of senior commentators actually, to see quite a lot of senior talkingommentators actually, to see quite a lot of senior talking aboutntators actually, to see quite a lot of senior talking about thisrrs actually, to see quite a lot of senior talking about this . exactly talking about this. there almost universal there was almost universal ereee—nanw— there was almost universal cross—party, not— there was almost universal cross—party, not politicians, rnengn—ef- cross—party, not politicians, though-of those,i though not a lot of those, arrnengn— though not a lot of those, although powell was on the although lucy powell was on the mean— although lucy powell was on the meta anna— although lucy powell was on the media around the— although lucy powell was on the media around the lucy powell een— media around the lucy powell eenlanerea— media around the lucy powell sort-ducked and— media around the lucy powell sort ducked and dived and sort of ducked and dived and aren-r— sort of ducked and dived and. didn't—condemn sort of ducked and dived and. dicdidn't_condemn sort of ducked and dived and dicdidn't want condemn sort of ducked and dived and dicdidn't want to condemn sort of ducked and dived and dicdidn't want to condoneiemn sort of ducked and dived and dicdidn't want to condone itnn it, didn't want to condone it errner— it, didn't want to condone it errner . — it, didn't want to condone it errner. dar— it, didn't want to condone it either. but my— it, didn't want to condone it either. but my old- it, didn't want to condone it either. rtrr: ”rt:“r3 it, didn't want to condone it- either . but my old friend kevin either. but my old friend kevin maguire, the lead political man on the daily mirror, has come out called it. yeah, totally out and called it. yeah, totally unacceptable . it's, you know, unacceptable. it's, you know, it's unacceptable. it's, you know, we we— unacceptable. it's, you know, it's the politics— unacceptable. it's, you know, it's the politics of— unacceptable. it's, you know, it's the politics of the- t. tt it's, you know, it's the politics of the gutter. it it's the politics of the gutter. n rearw— it's the politics of the gutter. n rearrw re— it's the politics of the gutter. it really is under— it's the politics of the gutter. it really is under the tories , it really is under the tories, rne— it really is under the tories, rne adven— it really is under the tories, the advert says,— it really is under the tories, the advert says, well, that's nreennanrw— the advert says, well, that's presumably since 2010. well, rnar-e— presumably since 2010. well,

rnar-e ner— presumably since 2010. well, that's not just— presumably since 2010. well, that's not just before sunak deeane— that's not just before sunak deearne dw— that's not just before sunak became pm, it's— that's not just before sunak became pm, it's before he even deeane— became pm, it's before he even deearne an md.— became pm, it's before he even became an mp. yes. so to say rnar— became an mp. yes. so to say rnar ne— became an mp. yes. so to say rnar ne wae— became an mp. yes. so to say that he was instrumental is that is that he was instrumental is that re . r— that he was instrumental is that is nonsense . i think paul is is nonsense. i think paul is adeernrerw— is nonsense. i think paul is absolutely right. there's adeernrerw— absolutely right. there's absolutely no- absolutely right. there's absolutely no doubt it was rnagee— absolutely no doubt it was rnagee ana— absolutely no doubt it was judges and magistrates making rneee— judges and magistrates making these decisions— judges and magistrates making these decisions and they almost eenarnrw— these decisions and they almost certainly wouldn't— these decisions and they almost certainly wouldn't been certainly wouldn't have been eenr—a-enei certainly wouldn't have been. eenr—a-ene en sent to jail under a and one of we— sent to jail under a and one of we reaeene— sent to jail under a and one of the reasons, course, for the reasons, of course, for men— the reasons, of course, for rnerr-rn- the reasons, of course, for rnerr-rn nan- the reasons, of course, for their-in part is. the reasons, of course, for. their-in part is the their decisions in part is the faer— their decisions in part is the fan rnar— their decisions in part is the fact that our— their decisions in part is the fact that our prison system is in fact that our prison system is n enen— fact that our prison system is n enen a— fact that our prison system is in such a mess. _ fact that our prison system is in such a mess. /rtr. fact that our prison system is in such a mess. d/rtr. g“rt;"rt; in such a mess. you know, there aren't the places in prison to pull them. well, i mean, we're enrrenrrw— pull them. well, i mean, we're currently putting— pull them. well, i mean, we're currently putting now- well, i mean, we're currently putting now apparently gerng— currently putting now apparently gerng re— currently putting now apparently we're going to put migrants into former— we're going to put migrants into former prisons. _ we're going to put migrants into former prisons. i— we're going to put migrants into former prisons. ’“ we're going to put migrants into former prisons. i mean, what a mess . i mean, you just can't mess. i mean, you just can't win. but, you know, the win. but, you know, when the conservatives did become elected to government in 2010, i remember one of the first things that david cameron did , he was that david cameron did, he was stood up and he said, i'm going to end to punch. and to put an end to punch. and judy, i thought, judy, politics. and i thought, hurray. happen. hurray. well, it didn't happen. it's and worse it's just got worse. and worse and worse. and the atmosphere in politics febrile , partly politics is febrile, partly boosted social, by social boosted by social, by social media, which is in fact which is which the level of which has turned the level of abuse. and which has turned the level of abuse . and hate to be said. abuse. and hate to be said. renn— abuse. and hate to be said. ren-r were— abuse. and hate to be said. isn't there about twitter ruining political debate?

ruining the political debate? it's twitter. it's not just twitter. i remember- it's not just twitter. i remember my it's not just twitter. i- remember-my daughter it's not just twitter. i— remember-my daughter was remember when my daughter was anew— remember when my daughter was adenr rnree— remember when my daughter was about three years— remember when my daughter was about three years old we about three years old and we were listening— about three years old and we were listening to— about three years old and we were listening to yesterday in narrranenr— were listening to yesterday in parliament on— were listening to yesterday in parliament on radio four and she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what on radio four and she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what isi radio four and she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what is this io four and she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what is this mummy?d she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what is this mummy? andz said, what is this mummy? and i earn.— said, what is this mummy? and i said,-parliament.- said, what is this mummy? and i said, parliament. she said, oh, it's parliament. she earn.— said, oh, it's parliament. she earn. n-e— said, oh, it's parliament. she said, it's worse— said, oh, it's parliament. she said, it's worse than the prawgrenna— said, it's worse than the prawgrenna .— said, it's worse than the playground . and that's out of playground. and that's out of the playground. and that's out of we newne— playground. and that's out of the mouths of— playground. and that's out of the mouths of yeah well, the mouths of babes. yeah well, rnaeea. — the mouths of babes. yeah well, indeed. imean,_ the mouths of babes. yeah well, indeed. “g indeed. i mean, speaking of twitter man used to be twitter, a man that used to be quite on it is president quite big on it is president former donald j quite big on it is president former donaldj . former president donald j. trump. to play this clip trump. i want to play this clip of trump and then i'm going to go to paul. who knows mr. trump and i never thought anything like this could happen in america. inever thought like this could happen in america. i never thought it eenra— america. i never thought it eenra nannen.— america. i never thought it could happen. the- ' t? i never thought it could happen. the only crime rnar— could happen. the only crime rnar r— could happen. the only crime rnar r nave— could happen. the only crime that i have committed is to nearreeerw— that i have committed is to fearlessly defend our nation fren— fearlessly defend our nation from rneee— fearlessly defend our nation from those who— fearlessly defend our nation from those who seek to destroy it. from those who seek to destroy n. rnew— from those who seek to destroy it. they attacked— from those who seek to destroy it. they attacked me with an enerangnr— it. they attacked me with an enerangnr en— it. they attacked me with an onslaught of fraudulent investigations as russia, nneera— investigations as russia, russia, russia- investigations as russia, russia, russia , ukraine, russia, russia, ukraine, unname— russia, russia, ukraine, ukraine, ukraine. impeachment near— ukraine, ukraine. impeachment near nnrnerd— ukraine, ukraine. impeachment hoax number one.— ukraine, ukraine. impeachment hoax number one. an impeachment near. — hoax number one. an impeachment near. wnnder— hoax number one. an impeachment hoax. number two,— hoax number one. an impeachment hoax. number two, the illegal ana— hoax. number two, the illegal and unconstrained national raid

on war— and unconstrained national raid on war a— and unconstrained national raid on war a rage— and unconstrained national raid on mar a lago right here now, danr— on mar a lago right here now, danr .— on mar a lago right here now, danr . ae— on mar a lago right here now, danr . ae r— on mar a lago right here now, paul, as i mentioned, they tell us paul, as i mentioned, they tell ne adenr— paul, as i mentioned, they tell ne adenr wenr— paul, as i mentioned, they tell us about your background with dreeraenr— us about your background with president trump— us about your background with president trump . �*vnr'rtgt us about your background with president trump . writ: president trump. well, i knew nnn— president trump. well, i knew him pretty well back back long before he entered politics when he was a controversial a media courting young businessman . and courting young businessman. and then, of course, later on became became a tv superstar . then, of course, later on became became a tv superstar. but he was never fit to be president . was never fit to be president. in fact, if somebody had told me at that stage that he's going to become president of united states, sent out states, i would have sent out for white coats have for men in white coats to have come and taken away. but come and taken them away. but do you think got a come and taken them away. but do you think-got a point- come and taken them away. but do you think-got a point on- you think he's got a point on he— you think he's got a point on rnre-a— you think he's got a point on this-a witch- this being a witch hunt, a perrnear— this being a witch hunt, a political witch _ this being a witch hunt, a political witch led political witch hunt led by deneerare— political witch hunt led by democrats ? _ political witch hunt led by democrats ? 3 ’“ e e democrats? i don't see it as a political witch but do political witch hunt. but i do think a great pity that the think it's a great pity that the first court case involving him is on the weakest element. the stormy daniels and karen mcdougal and the playboy payoff . playboy playmate payoff aspect . that is the weakest case. the

really important ones, which really important ones, which really should matter are the are the inciting the insurrection on at capitol hill and perhaps even more equally crucial , all at capitol hill and perhaps even more equally crucial, all trying to meddle in the georgia election result that that is a is the work of a deluded dangerous autocrat. i mean, suzanne , a lot of my viewers suzanne, a lot of my viewers would be saying, oh, come on, president trump didn't try to incite that riot that actually , incite that riot that actually, you know, on so many issues, the russia collusion lines that were proven to be demonstrably false. i mean, you and i were accused of deng— i mean, you and i were accused of deng en— i mean, you and i were accused of being of course,— i mean, you and i were accused of being of course, we've all deen— of being of course, we've all been rn— of being of course, we've all been in russia— of being of course, we've all been in russia know in the vote reawe— been in russia know in the vote reawe eanpargn— been in russia know in the vote leave campaign . _ been in russia know in the vote leave campaign . e alert? leave campaign. it was utter nonsense. you know, the ultimate albie. there been a albie. there has been a concerted effort against this man. so a lot of my viewers are saying, hang on a minute, this is a stitch up. yeah, it is. it is a stitch up. yeah, it is. it is a stitch up. yeah, it is. it is a political witch hunt. i don't agree with paul on that. rnew-re— don't agree with paul on that. they're iner— don't agree with paul on that. they're just trying to do anwrnrng—

they're just trying to do anything they can to stop him rnnnrng— anything they can to stop him rnnnrng ner— anything they can to stop him running for president. at running for president. and at the-election,— running for president. and at the election, ironically , the next election, ironically, rnengn.— the next election, ironically, though—him] the next election, ironically,- though,_him, they're though, about about him, they're nawrng—rr-e- making it personal. it's playing,— making it personal. it's playing, playing the man, not the playing, playing the man, not we darr— playing, playing the man, not the ball.-making- playing, playing the man, not the ball. making it the ball. they're making it adenr— the ball. they're making it about-rather- the ball. they're making it about rather joe about him rather than joe draen-e— about him rather than joe biden's myriad economic, social ana— biden's myriad economic, social and geopolitical— biden's myriad economic, social and geopolitical failures. yeah i and geopolitical failures. yeah r wae— and geopolitical failures. yeah r nnaer— and geopolitical failures. yeah i was under trump. ’”rtr“ rtrtttr i was under trump. ironically, though , to this prosecution , at though, to this prosecution, at least this first one will probably clinch him. the republican nomination . but republican nomination. but hopefully i think it'll it'll cost the republicans the next presidential election. i mean, suzanne, are you— i mean, suzanne, are you hoping that aernarrw— suzanne, are you hoping that aernarrw rr-e— suzanne, are you hoping that actually it's ron— suzanne, are you hoping that actually it's ron desantis deane— actually it's ron desantis deane vou— actually it's ron desantis because you quite like him, een-r— because you quite like him, een-r you?— because you quite like him, een-r you? r— because you quite like him, don't you? i do,— because you quite like him, don't you? i do, yeah . don't you? i do, yeah. i mean, you— don't you? i do, yeah. i mean, wen knew.— don't you? i do, yeah. i mean, you knew. r— don't you? i do, yeah. i mean, you know, i was i really quite liked what trump said in that clip that you just played, that you you know, that you just played, you know, that he to fearlessly protect he wants to fearlessly protect our nation from those who seek to and afraid to destroy it. and i'm afraid there left wing there is a strong left wing element in american society as there is here, that basically wants to rip up the. it's also a very strong wing one. very strong right wing one. yeah, trump trump cult yeah, but trump trump is a cult , a yeah, but trump trump is a cult . a enn— yeah, but trump trump is a cult . a enrr reader— yeah, but trump trump is a cult

, a cult leader with— yeah, but trump trump is a cult , a cult leader with a huge cult following-— , a cult leader with a huge cult. following—dangerous. following. and that's dangerous. it's following. and that's dangerous. rr-e—drrawrng. - following. and that's dangerous. it's-following. now- it's a very big following. now folks, thank you, of course, to suzanne you suzanne evans. and paul, you don't forget you can stay don't forget that you can stay with gb news. all easter weekend on dab+ turn on your radios, keep yourself up to date and informed on the go. now, coming up, i'm going to be talking about those waterways and wet white walls. and later on, it's going be mark dolan tonight. going to be mark dolan tonight. so you're going to stay so you're going to want to stay right and not miss right there and not miss a single minute .

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welcome back. i'm still darren grimes. and you've had a lot to say about tonight's show. i'm delighted to say. here's a few of your comments. richard has wrote in. and he said, whoever is orchestra writing these tweets is obviously not very bright. he's talking about laboun bright. he's talking about labour. of course, they will

only help shine a light on labour as the nasty party in the eyes of the public. keith he wrote in and he said, surely if these people have no identification and of course this is about migrants, illegal migrants , they should be sent migrants, they should be sent in. oh, it was maurice, not keith. and he said they should be sent back , as we don't know be sent back, as we don't know who they are . and that's what i who they are. and that's what i was saying to ivan sampson at the start of the show. they're right. it's an issue of national security , if ask me. and security, if you ask me. and maurice is next. maurice says, i think the king will make a real charlie of himself if he goes much further with his apologies over historic slavery , he must over historic slavery, he must allow common sense to reign. and i think that's right. i think actually the king is actually it's such an own goal here to actually do this, because ultimately it's going to open up one hell of a can of worms when let's not forget, folks, this

nafion let's not forget, folks, this nation spent a hell of a lot of its gdp and naval lives in actually abolishing the slave trade around the globe. now, another viewer says , my daughter another viewer says, my daughter is a social worker. this morning, she's been called to dover to assess whether 20 people who have arrived on small boats are children , as they boats are children, as they claim already these people are trying to bend our rules because unaccompanied children , minors unaccompanied children, minors who come to the uk illegally , who come to the uk illegally, she won't be removed to a safe third country until adulthood except in limited circum stances. we are a joke and i agree with that completely. i think we're a soft touch. as i said to ivan again, france rejects way more asylum claims than we do . why are we the mugs than we do. why are we the mugs of europe? lisa says prisons should be hell, not care homes. bnng should be hell, not care homes. bring back capital punishment. well, lisa, i think there are a fair few people, including lee anderson of this parish, who do believe in that view as well. and folks, thank you very much.

as ever, for getting in touch. your views are much more important, important than mine. now the gloom of winter is passing , and now the gloom of winter is passing, and for a change, we've had glorious weekend of weather for this bank holiday. so if you're having a great british break to the coast, no rest for the wicked here. or even if you plan on taking the family to your local beauty spot. are you concerned about what's going to be in the water to greet you? we used to be proud of our beaches, didn't we? so what's gone on? well, the environment minister , well, the environment minister, therese coffey has pledged to end the wasteful wet wipe epidemic blocking our sewers and blighting the countryside side. is that enough to turn the tide and take back our glorious waterways ? well, joining me to waterways? well, joining me to discuss is sean sian sutherland, rather from a plastic planet . rather from a plastic planet. sean, thank you very much for your time today. let me know why are these wet wipes such a big problem? because many of my

viewers might be using these things and not think they're an issue. they things and not think they're an issue . they seem so innocuous , issue. they seem so innocuous, een-r— issue. they seem so innocuous, een-r wew— issue. they seem so innocuous, een-r rnewe ana— issue. they seem so innocuous, don't they? and i— they seem so innocuous, don't they? and i don't know. we predadrw— don't they? and i don't know. we can probably not— don't they? and i don't know. we can probably not imagine life wrrnenr— can probably not imagine life wrrnenr rne— can probably not imagine life without the wet— can probably not imagine life without the wet wipe. 11 billion wet without the wet wipe. 11 billion wer wrnee. — without the wet wipe. 11 billion wet wipes. we're— without the wet wipe. 11 billion wet wipes. we're using in the uk even— wet wipes. we're using in the uk ewew erngre— wet wipes. we're using in the uk ewew erngre wear. — wet wipes. we're using in the uk every single year. and they're eanerng— every single year. and they're eanerng den— every single year. and they're causing 93% of— every single year. and they're causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers . so— causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers . so this— causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers . so this news causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers. so this news is causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers . so this news is from our sewers. so this news is from we— our sewers. so this news is from rne gewernrnenn— our sewers. so this news is from the government. it's not new news. we've been— the government. it's not new news. we've been talking about rnn.— news. we've been talking about rnre. we've— news. we've been talking about this. we've been— news. we've been talking about this. we've been consulting on he— this. we've been consulting on rnre ner— this. we've been consulting on rnre for many— this. we've been consulting on this for many years now . back this. we've been consulting on this for many years now. back in 2021,— this for many years now. back in zozr eenenrr— this for many years now. back in 2021, consult from _ this for many years now. back in 2021, consult from the government,- 2021, consult from the government, then 96% of the reenenaere— government, then 96% of the responders backed a ban on weee.— responders backed a ban on wrnee. ana— responders backed a ban on wrnee. and we— responders backed a ban on wipes. and yet here we are. we're— wipes. and yet here we are. we're enu— wipes. and yet here we are. we're still talking about it. ana— we're still talking about it. and no— we're still talking about it. and no action— we're still talking about it. and no action has been taken. now:— and no action has been taken. wew. sear.— and no action has been taken. wew. sean ar— and no action has been taken. now, sean, are you— and no action has been taken. now, sean, are you of- and no action has been taken. now, sean, are you of the- and no action has been taken. now, sean, are you of the view then that the government this is i assume you're very supportive of this from the government of an outright but are the an outright ban, but are the government doing enough to actually ensure that there frankly isn't a load of filth in our waterways ? it's shocking our waterways? it's shocking what we've done to our rivers,

isn't it ? i mean, if you look isn't it? i mean, if you look ana— isn't it? i mean, if you look and won— isn't it? i mean, if you look and you think— isn't it? i mean, if you look and you think we- e e?” i mean, if you look and you think we take stuff from nanr— and you think we take stuff from nanr ana— and you think we take stuff from nanr and we— and you think we take stuff from nature and we give— and you think we take stuff from nature and we give it back as nernrng— nature and we give it back as nernrng dnr— nature and we give it back as nothing but trash— nature and we give it back as nothing but trash 6 billion rennee— nothing but trash 6 billion tonne of— nothing but trash 6 billion tonnes of trash, we give back to the tonnes of trash, we give back to we nraner— tonnes of trash, we give back to rne praner even— tonnes of trash, we give back to the planet every single year. ana— the planet every single year. and wnar— the planet every single year. and wnar n— the planet every single year. and what it comes down to, darren— and what it comes down to, danen re— and what it comes down to, darren, is chemicals. so a lot of darren, is chemicals. so a lot on we— darren, is chemicals. so a lot on we eewaeg— darren, is chemicals. so a lot of the sewage spillages the nraene— of the sewage spillages the nraerre rnar— of the sewage spillages the plastic that we're talking about nnn— plastic that we're talking about wrrn rne— plastic that we're talking about wrrn we we— plastic that we're talking about with the wet wipes, things that is with the wet wipes, things that re eenrng— with the wet wipes, things that re eenrng en— with the wet wipes, things that is coming off from, you know, fren— is coming off from, you know, from we— is coming off from, you know, from the agricultural fields , from the agricultural fields, fenrrreere.— from the agricultural fields, fertilisers, pesticides , all of fertilisers, pesticides, all of rneee— fertilisers, pesticides, all of these things— fertilisers, pesticides, all of these things are toxic chemicals. - these things are toxic chemicals. nature is pretty drnarw— chemicals. nature is pretty binary. whatever we give back to narnre— binary. whatever we give back to narnre n— binary. whatever we give back to narnre n ean— binary. whatever we give back to nature, it can either— binary. whatever we give back to nature, it can either use as a teen— nature, it can either use as a need or— nature, it can either use as a need or a— nature, it can either use as a food or a poison— nature, it can either use as a food or a poison and the mar-onw— food or a poison and the narenw en— food or a poison and the majority of what we are giving daen— majority of what we are giving daen re— majority of what we are giving daen re a— majority of what we are giving back is a poison.— majority of what we are giving back is a poison. and we can see a reen— back is a poison. and we can see a reek ar— back is a poison. and we can see a reek at we— back is a poison. and we can see a look at the images that you're enewrng— a look at the images that you're enewrng new— a look at the images that you're showing now. it's— a look at the images that you're showing now. it's shocking what wnar— showing now. it's shocking what wnar we— showing now. it's shocking what wnar we nave— showing now. it's shocking what what we have done to nature. i sean . re— what we have done to nature. i mean, sean , is it— what we have done to nature. i mean, sean , is it is it the case mean, sean, is it is it the case rnar— mean, sean, is it is it the case rnar rne— mean, sean, is it is it the case rnar rne wen— mean, sean, is it is it the case that the you know— mean, sean, is it is it the case that the you know ,- mean, sean, is it is it the case that the you know , the that the you know, the government - that the you know, the government here, laudable aims, ranaadre— government here, laudable aims, laudable aims— government here, laudable aims, laudable aims and— government here, laudable aims, laudable aims and objectives, but laudable aims and objectives, dnr re— laudable aims and objectives, dnr re n— laudable aims and objectives, dnr re n we— laudable aims and objectives, but is it the government? thr but is it the government? do you drawe— but is it the government? do you drane rhe— but is it the government? do you blame the water— but is it the government? do you blame the water companies themselves as well for the sewage leaks? i do blame the

water— sewage leaks? i do blame the water companies— g , i do blame the water companies because they nave— water companies because they nave ner— water companies because they nave ner enr— water companies because they have not put the— water companies because they have not put the investment in wnen— have not put the investment in wnen rnew— have not put the investment in when they when— have not put the investment in when they when they needed to. i rnrnr— when they when they needed to. i rnrnr-rne— when they when they needed to. i think-the fines,— when they when they needed to. i think the fines, however think that the fines, however rnew— think that the fines, however rnew nay— think that the fines, however rnew may rnew— think that the fines, however they may they may look like range— they may they may look like large numbers,— they may they may look like large numbers, to be honest. ' large numbers, to be honest. a unre— large numbers, to be honest. a rrnre dn— large numbers, to be honest. a little bit like— large numbers, to be honest. a little bit like the— large numbers, to be honest. a little bit like the plastic- large numbers, to be honest. a little bit like the plastic tax. these things can just be considered— these things can just be considered the cost of doing dneneee — considered the cost of doing business. _the- considered the cost of doing business. the huge profits business. now, the huge profits rnar— business. now, the huge profits rnar rne— business. now, the huge profits that the companies are that the water companies are narrng— that the water companies are narrng .— that the water companies are narrng . iner— that the water companies are making , just the same as the making, just the same as the eraene— making, just the same as the plastic companies , they can plastic companies, they can adeerd— plastic companies, they can absorb-costs- plastic companies, they can absorb-costsia- plastic companies, they can absorb costs a cost plastic companies, they can. absorb-costsia cost of absorb these costs as a cost of dneneee — absorb these costs as a cost of dneneee ee— absorb these costs as a cost of business. so we— absorb these costs as a cost of business. so we need to create more laws much— business. so we need to create more laws much as— business. so we need to create more laws much as we love to de— more laws much as we love to de rn— more laws much as we love to be n a— more laws much as we love to live in a libertarian society . live in a libertarian society. merw— live in a libertarian society. merry-denn— live in a libertarian society. motty-don't like - live in a libertarian society. motty don't like to ban motty we don't like to ban rnrnge— motty we don't like to ban rnrnge-rne- motty we don't like to ban things-the things things, but at the moment things like things, but at the moment things rrre wer— things, but at the moment things rrre wer wreee— things, but at the moment things like wet wipes, we— things, but at the moment things like wet wipes, we should say, why— like wet wipes, we should say, wnw-regar— like wet wipes, we should say, wnw-regar e- like wet wipes, we should say, why-legal ? now- like wet wipes, we should say, why legal ? now we why is it still legal? now we knew— why is it still legal? now we knew we— why is it still legal? now we know the damage that these den— know the damage that these cause. 93% of— know the damage that these cause. 93% of all blockage is ana— cause. 93% of all blockage is and he— cause. 93% of all blockage is and rnre re— cause. 93% of all blockage is and this is a— cause. 93% of all blockage is and this is a large reason why ger— and this is a large reason why we've got sewage— and this is a large reason why we've got sewage overflows into the we've got sewage overflows into rne neree— we've got sewage overflows into the fields, into _ we've got sewage overflows into the fields, into the _ we've got sewage overflows into the fields, into the rivers , the fields, into the rivers, rnre— the fields, into the rivers, rnre en— the fields, into the rivers, into our streams and waterways . into our streams and waterways. if into our streams and waterways. n den— into our streams and waterways. n we ef— into our streams and waterways. n we en mar— into our streams and waterways. if 93% of that is— into our streams and waterways. if 93% of that is a— into our streams and waterways. if 93% of that is a simple wet wne— if 93% of that is a simple wet wiper r— if 93% of that is a simple wet wiper r rnrnr— if 93% of that is a simple wet wipe, i think that— if 93% of that is a simple wet wipe, i think that we can live wrrnenr— wipe, i think that we can live without them,— wipe, i think that we can live without them, don't you? so we iner— without them, don't you? so we we neee— without them, don't you? so we we need re— without them, don't you? so we just need to ban— without them, don't you? so we just need to ban them. we cannot eanee— just need to ban them. we cannot eaeeer rnanerw— just need to ban them. we cannot expect industry to— just need to ban them. we cannot expect industry to do it alone. t hey— expect industry to do it alone. they went — expect industry to do it alone. they won't. even— expect industry to do it alone. they won't. t:r“ t they won't. even the plastic, you face washes and you know, in face washes and things that. you things like that. i mean, you know, quite naively, sean, you

know, quite naively, sean, you know, didn't know anything about these things until the government banned them. government actually banned them. you we just we just, you know, it's we just we just, you know, don't think about these everyday goods. you're thinking when _ these everyday goods. you're thinking when you're- 3 g: you're thinking when you're thinking adenr— thinking when you're thinking adenr rneee. — thinking when you're thinking about those, you're thinking adenr— about the little scrubby bits rnar— about the little scrubby bits war-drawe- about the little scrubby bits that maybe you've got about the little scrubby bits- that-maybe you've got a that you see. maybe you've got a eernddw— that you see. maybe you've got a eernddw nana— that you see. maybe you've got a scrubby hand wash,— that you see. maybe you've got a scrubby hand wash, know, for scrubby hand wash, you know, for garaenrng— scrubby hand wash, you know, for gardening something. gardening or something. aernarrw— actually, it's much more rnerarene— actually, it's much more insidious-thei actually, it's much more- insidious-the plastic insidious than that. the plastic rnar— insidious than that. the plastic rnar re— insidious than that. the plastic rnar re rn— insidious than that. the plastic rnar re rn arr— insidious than that. the plastic that is in all the— insidious than that. the plastic that is in all the products that we rnar— that is in all the products that we use, that massive category , we use, that massive category, all we use, that massive category, arr rne— we use, that massive category, arr rne deann— we use, that massive category, all the beauty products and moisturisers_ all the beauty products and moisturisers and shampoos and ewerwrnrng— moisturisers and shampoos and ewewrnrng rnar— moisturisers and shampoos and everything that we use, even fennaanen— everything that we use, even foundation that— everything that we use, even foundation that we put on our enn— foundation that we put on our skin, .lipstick, _ foundation that we put on our skin, lipstick, they skin, even lipstick, they all eenrarn— skin, even lipstick, they all contain-98%- skin, even lipstick, they all contain _98% of - skin, even lipstick, they all contain 98% of them contain plastic 98% of them eenrarn— contain plastic 98% of them contain plastic— contain plastic 98% of them contain plastic .— contain plastic 98% of them contain plastic . it's the things contain plastic. it's the things rnar— contain plastic. it's the things rnar we— contain plastic. it's the things rnar we nee— contain plastic. it's the things that we use to— contain plastic. it's the things that we use to give it a thickening.— that we use to give it a thickening. so they're called aewraree— thickening. so they're called acrylates products like that. rnew-re— acrylates products like that. they're actually— acrylates products like that. they're actually just plastic ana— they're actually just plastic and en— they're actually just plastic and of course,— they're actually just plastic and of course, you put it on wenr— and of course, you put it on wenr face.— and of course, you put it on wenr face. we— and of course, you put it on your face. we wash our hair with it. your face. we wash our hair with n. we— your face. we wash our hair with it. we condition— your face. we wash our hair with it. we condition our— your face. we wash our hair with it. we condition our hair, we waen— it. we condition our hair, we waenlaewn— it. we condition our hair, we washldown the— it. we condition our hair, we wash down the plughole . these wash it down the plughole. these rnrnge— wash it down the plughole. these things-invisible— wash it down the plughole. these things-invisible to— wash it down the plughole. these things invisible to the things are invisible to the nnnan— things are invisible to the nnnan ewe.— things are invisible to the nnnan ewe-ge- things are invisible to the human eye. go straight out human eye. they go straight out rnre— human eye. they go straight out rnre rne— human eye. they go straight out into the waterways, into our eerr. — into the waterways, into our eerr. wnar-e— into the waterways, into our soil. what's more important than nawng— soil. what's more important than nawng nearrnw— soil. what's more important than having healthy soil in our in entren— having healthy soil in our in our british fields and then, of course, straight— our british fields and then, of course, straight out into the

oceans . okay,— course, straight out into the oceans . gee/q ’“ course, straight out into the oceans . t“ ”rt; course, straight out into the- oceans . okay, sean, we're going oceans. okay, sean, we're going to have to leave it there, but i hope you have a really, really good bank holiday weekend . good bank holiday weekend. that's sean sutherland from a plastic planet there. now, folks , i've been darren grimes and i've been sitting in for laurence back in the laurence fox, who's back in the chair friday from 7:00. chair next friday from 7:00. don't forget , you can tune in don't forget, you can tune in onune don't forget, you can tune in online and on dab plus all bank houday online and on dab plus all bank holiday to stay up to date. up next, it's mark dolan. stay here. hello again. the fine wearner.— here. hello again. the fine weather, many— here. hello again. the fine weather, many of- ’“rt;”rt; hello again. the fine weather, many of us have had rnrengn— weather, many of us have had rnrengn reaaw— weather, many of us have had through today will continue to ewernrgnn — through today will continue to overnight. that— through today will continue to overnight. that does mean it wrrr— overnight. that does mean it wrrr rnrn— overnight. that does mean it will turn chilly— overnight. that does mean it will turn chilly and largely erear— will turn chilly and largely clear skies.— will turn chilly and largely clear skies. but— will turn chilly and largely clear skies. but then tomorrow dnnge— clear skies. but then tomorrow dnnge erenw— clear skies. but then tomorrow dnnge erenw ef— clear skies. but then tomorrow brings plenty of dry and warm, ennnw— brings plenty of dry and warm, sunny weather— brings plenty of dry and warm, sunny weather ,_ brings plenty of dry and warm, sunny weather , all because of sunny weather, all because of nrgn— sunny weather, all because of nrgn ereeenre— sunny weather, all because of high pressure which is dominating- high pressure which is dominating the picture across the dominating the picture across rne-reeerng— dominating the picture across the keeping fronts in the the uk, keeping fronts in the wee— the uk, keeping fronts in the wee ar— the uk, keeping fronts in the net at day— the uk, keeping fronts in the net at day .— the uk, keeping fronts in the west at bay . but— the uk, keeping fronts in the west at bay . but we are going to west at bay. but we are going to rnre— west at bay. but we are going to rnre wear— west at bay. but we are going to see this weak front— west at bay. but we are going to see this weak front trying to nnen— see this weak front trying to push-wav— see this weak front trying to enenlwaw rn— see this weak front trying to push way in from the north push its way in from the north sea. — push its way in from the north sea. wew— push its way in from the north sea. now that's— push its way in from the north sea. now that's going a sea. now that's going to bring a unre— sea. now that's going to bring a little—eastern. little bit more cloud to eastern ana— little bit more cloud to eastern and northeastern— little bit more cloud to eastern and northeastern of the and northeastern parts of the nn — and northeastern parts of the nn ana— and northeastern parts of the nn ana aree— and northeastern parts of the uk. and also some rain could rnrn— uk. and also some rain could rnrn a— uk. and also some rain could rnrn a unre— uk. and also some rain could turn a little heavy at times turn a little bit heavy at times ever-eane— turn a little bit heavy at times ever-dane en— turn a little bit heavy at times over parts of scotland over eastern parts of scotland ewernrgnn — over eastern parts of scotland overnight. _will- over eastern parts of scotland overnight. _will be. overnight. elsewhere will be enen— overnight. elsewhere will be often _skies. _ overnight. elsewhere will be often skies. under often clear skies. and under rneee— often clear skies. and under these-skies,- often clear skies. and under these skies, temperatures

these clear skies, temperatures are these clear skies, temperatures gerng— these clear skies, temperatures goingltake_ these clear skies, temperatures are going-takelbit- these clear skies, temperatures are going take bit of are going to take a bit of a dip- — are going to take a bit of a dip- wnrrer— are going to take a bit of a dip. whilst it— are going to take a bit of a dip. whilst it won't be quite as cera— dip. whilst it won't be quite as eera ae— dip. whilst it won't be quite as eera ae-nrgnr.— dip. whilst it won't be quite as cold as-night, for- dip. whilst it won't be quite as cold as night, for most, cold as last night, for most, it eenra— cold as last night, for most, it eenra-a— cold as last night, for most, it could-a-frostyl could still be a touch frosty for could still be a touch frosty fer-wann- could still be a touch frosty for-watch out- could still be a touch frosty for-watch out for| could still be a touch frostyi for-watch out for a could still be a touch frosty- for-watch out for a few for some and watch out for a few darenee— for some and watch out for a few darenee-ana— for some and watch out for a few darenee-ana-rn- for some and watch out for a few patches - and - in the l patches of mist and fog in the eenrn. — patches of mist and fog in the eenrn. -rn— patches of mist and fog in the south. _in the— patches of mist and fog in the south. in the night south. later in the night for many.— south. later in the night for mew-0n— south. later in the night for many. on saturday, getting many. then on saturday, getting off many. then on saturday, getting en re— many. then on saturday, getting en re a— many. then on saturday, getting en re a dngnr— many. then on saturday, getting off to a bright start with erenw— off to a bright start with plenty sunshine. still some plenty of sunshine. still some erena— plenty of sunshine. still some cloud-eastern- plenty of sunshine. still some cloud eastern north plenty of sunshine. still some cloud parts, astern north plenty of sunshine. still some cloud parts, butdrn north plenty of sunshine. still some cloud parts, but mostrth plenty of sunshine. still some cloud parts, but most of the eastern parts, but most of the rarn— eastern parts, but most of the wrrr— eastern parts, but most of the rain will clear— eastern parts, but most of the rain will clear away and a good ennnr— rain will clear away and a good ennnr-erena— rain will clear away and a good chunk-cloud is- rain will clear away and a good chunk cloud is going to chunk of the cloud is going to dean— chunk of the cloud is going to dear—ner- chunk of the cloud is going toi break _for many, break up as well. so for many, it break up as well. so for many, nlgerng— break up as well. so for many, rrlgerng re— break up as well. so for many, rrlgerng re de— break up as well. so for many, rrlgerng re de a— break up as well. so for many, it going to be a largely it is going to be a largely ennnw— it is going to be a largely sunny afternoon, plenty of eenng— sunny afternoon, plenty of spring sunshine. and in that ennenrne— sunshine feeling pleasantly warm wrrn— sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures— sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures touch higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with todayeratures touch higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with today withes touch higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with today with highs)uch higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with today with highs of h higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with today with highs of around r than today with highs of around 16 than today with highs of around re er— than today with highs of around re er w— than today with highs of around 16 or 17 celsius— than today with highs of around 16 or 17 celsius later on as we go 16 or 17 celsius later on as we ge rnrengn— 16 or 17 celsius later on as we go through tomorrow evening, we are go through tomorrow evening, we gerng— go through tomorrow evening, we gerng re— go through tomorrow evening, we gerng re eee— go through tomorrow evening, we are going to see a— go through tomorrow evening, we are going to see a bit more erena— are going to see a bit more erena aeee— are going to see a bit more cloud across parts of northern derang— cloud across parts of northern ireland. winds— cloud across parts of northern ireland. winds strengthening nere—rnre- here, too, all due to this frenr. — here, too, all due to this frenr. -rwrng- here, too, all due to this front. _trying in front. that's trying to push in fren— front. that's trying to push in den-rnn- front. that's trying to push in from _this will- front. that's trying to push in from this will bring from the west. this will bring some _ rain here i from the west. this will bringi some—rain here as some outbreaks of rain here as we ge— some outbreaks of rain here as we ge rnrengn— some outbreaks of rain here as we go through the— some outbreaks of rain here as we go through the evening and eernaee—eane- we go through the evening and eernaee—eane ofl perhaps to western parts of seerrana— perhaps to western parts of scotland overnight elsewhere. scotland to overnight elsewhere. it's scotland to overnight elsewhere. n-e-rrre — scotland to overnight elsewhere. n-e-rrre a— scotland to overnight elsewhere. it's-like a largely- scotland to overnight elsewhere. it's like a largely dry it's looking like a largely dry nrgnn— it's looking like a largely dry nrgnr. rnere— it's looking like a largely dry night. there will— it's looking like a largely dry night. there will be a bit more erena— night. there will be a bit more gene—eeen- night. there will be a bit more cloud seen through cloud than we've seen through some recent nights. as a result, reneerarnree— some recent nights. as a result, temperatures-not- temperatures perhaps not areeerng— dropping quite as low as they nave— dropping quite as low as they nave eene— dropping quite as low as they have done recently. otherwise rnrengn— have done recently. otherwise through easter— have done recently. otherwise through easter sunday, it's

agarn— through easter sunday, it's agarn ner— through easter sunday, it's again for much— through easter sunday, it's again for much of england and waree— again for much of england and wareelreaer— again for much of england and wales least looking like a wales at least looking like a anerner— wales at least looking like a newer-nay.— wales at least looking like a another- day. yes- wales at least looking like a another day. yes there'll another fine day. yes there'll be another fine day. yes there'll de a— another fine day. yes there'll de arnerel— another fine day. yes there'll be a.more cloud- another fine day. yes there'll be a more cloud around than be a bit more cloud around than of be a bit more cloud around than ef—we— be a bit more cloud around than ef—we neaa- be a bit more cloud around than of we head through of late, but as we head through the of late, but as we head through rne—en— of late, but as we head through the—of-inl the middle part of the day in eanrenrar.— the middle part of the day in particularr n— the middle part of the day in particular, it is— the middle part of the day in particular, it is looking largely—

well . well. | it's| well. it's 8:00. this is mark dolan tonight. except i'm not mark dolan. i'm stephen allen. i've checked in with before checked in with mark before going he's already going on air and he's already onto third egg and the onto his third egg and into the final of the ten final hour of the ten commandments. soon have commandments. he'll soon have broken all. coming up broken them all. coming up between now and big between now and 11, my big opinion mps keep getting caught in money scams . opinion mps keep getting caught in money scams. i opinion mps keep getting caught in money scams . i know how to in money scams. i know how to fix this broken system . and has fix this broken system. and has britain entered a era of britain entered a new era of gutter politics? my take at ten smart motorways aren't working and the government are putting money before people's lives. plus, all of tomorrow's front pages at 1030 sharpish. lots to get through. and it's good