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friday. so have some friday. so let's have some easter fun along the way. first with headlines bethany elsey with the headlines bethany elsey . thanks very much. good evening . i have— . thanks very much. good evening . i have your— thanks very much. good evening . i have your headlines from the gb newsroom— . i have your headlines from the gb newsroom at— . i have your headlines from the gb newsroom at 8:00, the two sisters— gb newsroom at 8:00, the two sisters killed— gb newsroom at 8:00, the two sisters killed in— gb newsroom at 8:00, the two sisters killed in a— gb newsroom at 8:00, the two sisters killed in a shooting attack— sisters killed in a shooting attack on— sisters killed in a shooting attack on their— sisters killed in a shooting attack on their car in the occupied— attack on their car in the occupied west- attack on their car in the occupied west bank have been confirmed— occupied west bank have been confirmed as— occupied west bank have been confirmed as british israeli citizens. — confirmed as british israeli citizens. the— confirmed as british israeli citizens. the uk foreign office says— citizens. the uk foreign office says they-re— citizens. the uk foreign office says they're saddened to hear about— says they're saddened to hear about that— says they're saddened to hear about their deaths and is oatttag— about their deaths and is oatttag tot— about their deaths and is calling for all— about their deaths and is calling for all sides in the totaott— calling for all sides in the israeli palestine dispute to de—escalate _ israeli palestine dispute to de—escalate tensions. violence tto — de—escalate tensions. violence across the region— de—escalate tensions. violence across the region has flared up in across the region has flared up to oooat— across the region has flared up to oooat days,— across the region has flared up in recent days, with israel taaaottag— in recent days, with israel launching air— in recent days, with israel launching air strikes in lebanon and launching air strikes in lebanon ant tho— launching air strikes in lebanon ant the gaza— launching air strikes in lebanon and the gaza strip— launching air strikes in lebanon and the gaza strip in retaliation- and the gaza strip in retaliation to palestinian tootot— retaliation to palestinian rocket attacks- retaliation to palestinian rocket attacks . air russia has rocket attacks. air russia has charged— rocket attacks. air russia has charged a— rocket attacks. air russia has charged a us— rocket attacks. air russia has charged a us journalist with ooptoaago— charged a us journalist with espionage. evan— charged a us journalist with espionage. evan gershkovich , who espionage. evan gershkovich, who norto— espionage. evan gershkovich, who works to— espionage. evan gershkovich, who works to no— espionage. evan gershkovich, who works for the wall— espionage. evan gershkovich, who works for the wall street toamat— works for the wall street toamat, to— works for the wall street journal, is accused of trying to ottata— journal, is accused of trying to obtain russian— journal, is accused of trying to obtain russian military secrets on totatt— obtain russian military secrets on totatt ot— obtain russian military secrets on behalf of washington. he ptoatot— on behalf of washington. he ptoatot not— on behalf of washington. he pleaded not guilty earlier this

nook— pleaded not guilty earlier this week ant— pleaded not guilty earlier this week and maintains he was wattag— week and maintains he was working as— week and maintains he was working as a— week and maintains he was working as a journalist. taoota-o— working as a journalist. russia's foreign minister sergei tattoo— russia's foreign minister sergei tattoo says— russia's foreign minister sergei tattoo says to— russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov says he was caught red tattoo,— lavrov says he was caught red tattoo, tat— lavrov says he was caught red handed, but president joe biden has described— handed, but president joe biden has described the— handed, but president joe biden has described the claims of osotoaago— has described the claims of osptoaago as— has described the claims of espionage as ridiculous and demanded— espionage as ridiculous and demanded his— espionage as ridiculous and demanded his release . opposition demanded his release. opposition pottttotaa— demanded his release. opposition politician towns— demanded his release. opposition politician towns in— demanded his release. opposition politician towns in scotland are notat— politician towns in scotland are atgtag tto— politician towns in scotland are atgtag tto snt— politician towns in scotland are urging the snp to— politician towns in scotland are urging the snp to be fully transparent— urging the snp to be fully transparent about its finances attor— transparent about its finances attot tt— transparent about its finances after it emerged— transparent about its finances after it emerged the firm which aattts— after it emerged the firm which aattts tho— after it emerged the firm which audits the party's— after it emerged the firm which audits the party's accounts, has tostgaot— audits the party's accounts, has tostgaot .— audits the party's accounts, has resigned . johnston carmichael resigned. johnston carmichael says— resigned. johnston carmichael says tt— resigned. johnston carmichael says tt mats— resigned. johnston carmichael says it made the— resigned. johnston carmichael says it made the decision after tovtowtag— says it made the decision after reviewing tts— says it made the decision after reviewing its client portfolio oatttot— reviewing its client portfolio earlier this— reviewing its client portfolio earlier this week. the former snt— earlier this week. the former snt ottot— earlier this week. the former snp chief executive , lviv peter snp chief executive, lviv peter nanett— snp chief executive, lviv peter nattott, nao— snp chief executive, lviv peter murrell, who was— snp chief executive, lviv peter murrell, who was nicola sturgeon anaes— murrell, who was nicola sturgeon anne's husband,— murrell, who was nicola sturgeon anne's husband, was arrested by pottoo— anne's husband, was arrested by police investigating the party's ttaaaoos— police investigating the party's ttaaaoos as— police investigating the party's finances as he— police investigating the party's finances as he was released ntttoat— finances as he was released without charge— finances as he was released without charge pending further investigation— without charge pending further investigation .— without charge pending further investigation . police in investigation. police in northam— investigation. police in northern ireland are warning that— northern ireland are warning their officers— northern ireland are warning their officers could be targeted by their officers could be targeted ty robots— their officers could be targeted by robots to— their officers could be targeted by rebels in londonderry this taster.— by rebels in londonderry this tastot. nao— by rebels in londonderry this easter. the psni_ by rebels in londonderry this easter. the psni says it's toootvot— easter. the psni says it's received strong - easter. the psni says it's received strong intelligence that— received strong intelligence that attacks— received strong intelligence that attacks are— received strong intelligence that attacks are being planned for that attacks are being planned to tant— that attacks are being planned for bank holiday— that attacks are being planned for bank holiday monday , m15 for bank holiday monday, m15 tatsot— for bank holiday monday, m15 tatsot tho— for bank holiday monday, m15

raised the terrorism threat tovot— raised the terrorism threat tovot ta— raised the terrorism threat level in the _ raised the terrorism threat level in the country to severe tottowtag— level in the country to severe following the _ level in the country to severe following the shooting of a senior detective, john caldwell . noaawttto— senior detective, john caldwell . meanwhile, communities and oottttoat— . meanwhile, communities and political political— . meanwhile, communities and political political figures have come together— political political figures have come together to mark 25 years smoo— come together to mark 25 years tho— come together to mark 25 years since the signing— come together to mark 25 years since the signing of the good tattay— since the signing of the good friday agreement, which ended tooatos— friday agreement, which ended tooatos ot— friday agreement, which ended decades of violence . over 2 decades of violence. over 2 mttttoa— decades of violence. over 2 million british— decades of violence. over 2 million british holidaymakers are million british holidaymakers expectat— million british holidaymakers are expected to— million british holidaymakers are expected to head overseas tats— are expected to head overseas ttts taster— are expected to head overseas this easter weekend. meanwhile, the this easter weekend. meanwhile, tto tott— this easter weekend. meanwhile, the tort ot— this easter weekend. meanwhile, the port of dover— this easter weekend. meanwhile, the port of dover is warning ttoso— the port of dover is warning ttoso ttytag— the port of dover is warning ttoso ttytag to— the port of dover is warning those trying to cross the ctaaaot— those trying to cross the channel could- those trying to cross the channel could face two hour totays. — channel could face two hour totays. nao— channel could face two hour delays. the ferry— channel could face two hour delays. the ferry operator , delays. the ferry operator, ms, — delays. the ferry operator, ms, ts— delays. the ferry operator, dfds, is urging travellers to attow— dfds, is urging travellers to anon ostra— dfds, is urging travellers to allow extra time— dfds, is urging travellers to allow extra time to get through totter— allow extra time to get through border control— allow extra time to get through border control and check in. ootays— border control and check in. ootays tave— border control and check in. delays have been blamed on toast— delays have been blamed on french officials— delays have been blamed on french officials carrying out ostra— french officials carrying out extra checks— french officials carrying out extra checks following brexit ant— extra checks following brexit ant s—otat— extra checks following brexit and s—club seven's paul cattermole_ and s—club seven's paul cattermole has- and s—club seven's paul cattermole has passed away aged 46, cattermole has passed away aged .6, onty— cattermole has passed away aged .6, onty nooks— cattermole has passed away aged 46, only weeks after the pop group— 46, only weeks after the pop group announced a comeback tour. he group announced a comeback tour. to was— group announced a comeback tour. to townt— group announced a comeback tour. to townt at— group announced a comeback tour. he was found at his— group announced a comeback tour. he was found at his home in dorset— he was found at his home in dorset yesterday. _ he was found at his home in dorset yesterday. police say ttono— dorset yesterday. police say tnono woo— dorset yesterday. police say there were no— dorset yesterday. police say there were no suspicious circumstances- there were no suspicious circumstances . is there were no suspicious circumstances. is in a statement,- circumstances. is in a statement, the family and band satt— statement, the family and band satt tnono— statement, the family and band said there are— statement, the family and band said there are no—

statement, the family and band said there are no words to tosonto— said there are no words to describe their— said there are no words to describe their deep sadness . describe their deep sadness. vow-o— describe their deep sadness. vow-o wo— describe their deep sadness. vow-o an to— describe their deep sadness. you're up to date on tv, online natt — you're up to date on tv, online natt tatto— you're up to date on tv, online dab+ radio. this— you're up to date on tv, online dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's dab+ radio. this is gb news. now tt-s tast— dab+ radio. this is gb news. now tt-s tact to— dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back to mark— dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back to mark dolan tonight wttn— it's back to mark dolan tonight wttn stonnon— it's back to mark dolan tonight with stephen allen . with stephen allen. i welcome - with stephen allen. i welcome to - with stephen allen. welcome to mark dolan tonight with stephen allen. welcome to easter)olan tonight with stephen allen. welcome to easter weekend ight with stephen allen. welcome to easter weekend is1t coming up, the easter weekend is upon us and we're having a very good friday. but what is the future of christianity in the uk 7 future of christianity in the uk .7 church attendance has dropped 66% in ten years. we'll be discussing this and more. also, we'll be asking viewers our migrant barges the solution to the migrant crisis . this naked the migrant crisis. this naked education on channel 4 has stirred up controversy as 14 to 16 year olds are put in front of fully grown naked adults. is it education or just television? and with our viewers from the final part of the hour, should king charles pay reparations for slavery? plus, my big opinion on

mps should get paid more so they can't do otherjobs and get can't do other jobs and get caught up in stupid scams . we caught up in stupid scams. we might take it. ten smart motorways are not working . the motorways are not working. the government are putting money ahead of people's lives. plus, my top pundits for tomorrow's pages at half past ten. so it's a packed show. let's start with this . joining me until 9 pm. this. joining me until 9 pm. with joining me until 9 pm, we've got the political commentator , peter barnes. commentator, peter barnes. what's caught your eye this week? let's get well, obviously , it's keir starmer falling off his moral high horse. i think that's the main— his moral high horse. i think that's the main one- " " g i think that's the main one from today. wows— that's the main one from today. we've seen the— that's the main one from today. we've seen the series tweets we've seen the series of tweets attaottnt — we've seen the series of tweets attacking rishi_ we've seen the series of tweets attacking rishi sunak for tastoatty— attacking rishi sunak for basically accusing him of being sott— basically accusing him of being sott on— basically accusing him of being sott tt-s— basically accusing him of being sott tt-s a— basically accusing him of being soft on. it's a completely a atoos— soft on. it's a completely a atrocious and— soft on. it's a completely a atrocious and outrageous attack tron— atrocious and outrageous attack tron nott— atrocious and outrageous attack from keir starmer— atrocious and outrageous attack from keir starmer and the labour party— from keir starmer and the labour party on— from keir starmer and the labour party on ttsnt— from keir starmer and the labour party on rishi, and— from keir starmer and the labour party on rishi, and it's oonptototy— party on rishi, and it's completely unfounded as well. it is completely unfounded as well. it ts atsotwtoty— completely unfounded as well. it is absolutely staggering that the is absolutely staggering that to tatow— is absolutely staggering that the labour party have even stattot— the labour party have even started this— the labour party have even started this kind of negative oanpattntnt— started this kind of negative campaigning and we're not even in campaigning and we're not even tn-otootton— campaigning and we're not even in election territory in general election territory vet— in general election territory yet-ts— in general election territory yet-ts wnat- in general election territory yet-ts wnat .- in general election territory yet is what i find most yet. this is what i find most tntonosttnt— yet. this is what i find most interesting about it. t interesting about it. does this ttnt— interesting about it. does this nnt ot—

interesting about it. does this kind of politics work, given that if you ask some people about keir starmer, they think he was somehow directly involved in letting jemmy saville off because of gutter politics. it happened the other way round. oh yeah. so this is the great tony— oh yeah. so this is the great tnony ts— oh yeah. so this is the great irony is when— oh yeah. so this is the great irony is when boris johnson aoowsot— irony is when boris johnson accused kirsty_ irony is when boris johnson accused kirsty of like, bungling the accused kirsty of like, bungling tno jemmy— accused kirsty of like, bungling the jemmy saville case and all the jemmy saville case and all to nost— the jemmy saville case and all to nest ot— the jemmy saville case and all the rest of it,— the jemmy saville case and all the rest of it, there was nationwide _ the rest of it, there was nationwide condemnation, there was nationwide condemnation, there protests— nationwide condemnation, there was protests, there was calls for was protests, there was calls to ntn — was protests, there was calls ton ntn to— was protests, there was calls for him to apologise. yet for him to apologise. and yet ttoso— for him to apologise. and yet those-voices- for him to apologise. and yet those-voices have- for him to apologise. and yet those voices have been those same voices have been natnon—wnon- those same voices have been rather—when thei rather quiet today when the tatow— rather quiet today when the tatow natty— rather quiet today when the labour party have been caught totnt— labour party have been caught tong-sans— labour party have been caught doing-same-will. labour party have been caught doing same will say doing the same thing. i will say tnat— doing the same thing. i will say tnat-poonto— doing the same thing. i will say that-people have- doing the same thing. i will say that people have come out that some people have come out tron— that some people have come out tron-tatow— that some people have come out from-labour party- that some people have come out from labour party and said that some people have come out fromthis labour party and said that some people have come out fromthis lacompletelyand said that this is completely unacceptable, for me not unacceptable, but for me not onowtn. — unacceptable, but for me not onowtn. .— unacceptable, but for me not enough. i mean,— unacceptable, but for me not enough. i mean, lucy powell was on we— enough. i mean, lucy powell was on to on— enough. i mean, lucy powell was on to on we— enough. i mean, lucy powell was on the on the tv— enough. i mean, lucy powell was on the on the tv this morning as sto— on the on the tv this morning as sto-a— on the on the tv this morning as sno-a sonntoto— on the on the tv this morning as she a complete mess it, she made a complete mess of it, two— she made a complete mess of it, two-sto— she made a complete mess of it, ttto-sno-tno- like she was. she did the otassto— like she was. she did the classic oh, _ like she was. she did thei classic oh,-trying like she was. she did the- classic oh,-trying to classic oh, what the trying to say— classic oh, what the trying to saylnatnon— classic oh, what the trying to say-rather than _ classic oh, what the trying to say rather than actually say is rather than actually tnytnt— say is rather than actually tnytnt-tnan- trying to rather than acknowledging the attack ad she nnt— acknowledging the attack ad she nnt ot— acknowledging the attack ad she nnt ot two— acknowledging the attack ad she kind of like danced around it a nttto— kind of like danced around it a nttto nt— kind of like danced around it a little bit and— kind of like danced around it a little bit and was— kind of like danced around it a little bit and was like, come on—tntsl little bit and was like, comei on—tnts inst little bit and was like, comei on,iright. -this just little bit and was like, come on, right. and this just little bit and was like, come on, right. and like, thisjust little bit and was like, come on, right. and like, whatjust isn't right. and like, what i ttnt—notn- isn't right. and like, what i- find_keir starmer find interesting is keir starmer ttnt— find interesting is keir starmer kind-himself- find interesting is keir starmer kind-himself as- find interesting is keir starmer kind himself as like kind of plays himself as like the kind of plays himself as like tno-nttn— kind of plays himself as like the high standard in the moral high standard in pottttos— the moral high standard in politics. and— the moral high standard in politics. and now getting politics. and now he's getting town—tnts- politics. and now he's getting down _this early down in the gutters this early on,

down in the gutters this early o-ony— down in the gutters this early on,-very telling- on, i think is very telling atowt— on, i think is very telling atowt tast— on, i think is very telling about just how- on, i think is very telling about just how insecure i think about just how insecure i think a tot— about just how insecure i think a tot ot— about just how insecure i think a tot ot poopto— about just how insecure i think a lot of people in— about just how insecure i think a lot of people in the labour party— a lot of people in the labour party tntnt— a lot of people in the labour party think they're kind of oanoosn— party think they're kind of chances election victory are chances of election victory are ,—tnts- chances of election victory are ,—tnts ts- chances of election victory are ,—tnts ts , you know, i think this is one of , you know, i think this is one ot tnoso— , you know, i think this is one of these kind _ , you know, i think this is one of these kind of— , you know, i think this is one of these kind of i— , you know, i think this is one of these kind of i think we're nownt— of these kind of i think we're moving-territory. of these kind of i think we're moving territory now moving into that territory now wnono— moving into that territory now wtono tno— moving into that territory now where the labour— moving into that territory now where the labour party are oontnt— where the labour party are coming under— where the labour party are coming under not just coming under attacks not just tron— coming under attacks not just tron-tat— coming under attacks not just from-but-froml from the right but also from tnotn—tnol their own party. that's the ttono-s— their own party. that's the there's-couple- their own party. that's the l there's-couplelbig there's been a couple of big otttonats. — there's been a couple of big editorials. -a- there's been a couple of big editorials.-a bigi there's been a couple of big. editorials.-a big one editorials. there was a big one in editorials. there was a big one tn tno— editorials. there was a big one in the guardian— editorials. there was a big one in the guardian yesterday that tastoatty— in the guardian yesterday that. basically—starmer basically slammed keir starmer says—tttol says what are you doing? like wnato— says what are you doing? like wnato-wonts- says what are you doing? like what?-words, why. says what are you doing? like what? words, why aren't what? in other words, why aren't you— what? in other words, why aren't yon-so— what? in other words, why aren't yon-so notnts— what? in other words, why aren't you 30 points ahead than you 20, 30 points ahead than tast— you 20, 30 points ahead than inst-ant— you 20, 30 points ahead than inst-tnt-tnoyi just the 15? and i think they nawo— just the 15? and i think they have some real— just the 15? and i think they have some real questions and sono-notnts— have some real questions and sono-notnts to- have some real questions and some points to make. have some real questions and some-points to make. i some good points to make. and i suppose— some good points to make. and i suppose that-s— some good points to make. and i suppose that's-way- some good points to make. and i suppose that's way that this suppose that's the way that this is unfair. but it's true. if you've of an you've got one side of an argument going on argument that keeps going on about and kind of about standards and kind of politics polite politics, politics and polite politics, then will be held to then you will be held to a different standard if you slip down into the gutter. yeah there's also the thing is, when you on a moral high you put yourself on a moral high horse, the drop is suddenly a lot and it hits a lot lot further and it hits a lot harder. and keir's ever harder. and i think keir's ever so— harder. and i think keir's ever panygate— harder. and i think keir's ever since partygate he's- : and i think keir's ever since partygate he's been that ot— since partygate he's been that man of integrity.— since partygate he's been that man of integrity. i mean, how many— man of integrity. i mean, howl many—tatow man of integrity. i mean, how- nany—tatow nts many times do we hear labour mps use-tntetnty— many times do we hear labour mps use-integrity over- many times do we hear labour mps use integrity over the use the word integrity over the wtote — use the word integrity over the wtote—antl use the word integrity over the. wnote—ant whole partygate scandal and now it's whole partygate scandal and now

tt-s statttnt— whole partygate scandal and now tt-s stattnt to— whole partygate scandal and now it's starting to see— whole partygate scandal and now it's starting to see that just not— it's starting to see that just not knott— it's starting to see that just not knock them _ it's starting to see that just not knock them a little bit. and tney— not knock them a little bit. and ttey .— not knock them a little bit. and tney , tney— not knock them a little bit. and tney , tney wnte— not knock them a little bit. and they , they write down in the they, they write down in the gutter—ute- gutter throwing mud like ewenytoty— gutter throwing mud like everybody-it's- everybody else. it's interesting, it, interesting, isn't it, the integrity as a word, integrity was used as a word, probably focus group probably when a focus group had tried the tried to work out what the opposite of the perception of bods opposite of the perception of boris got boris johnson is. they've got less now, if their less to cling to now, if their opposite rishi sunak, is opposite is rishi sunak, is he known doesn't known as someone who doesn't have integrity? well, not really. have integrity? well, not neany—tneatl really. this is the great thing about— really. this is the great thing atowt ttsnt — really. this is the great thing about rishi is— really. this is the great thing about rishi is that he's seen as about rishi is that he's seen as a-natn— about rishi is that he's seen as a-natn ot— about rishi is that he's seen as a-pair of hands.- about rishi is that he's seen as a pair of hands. he's a capable pair of hands. he's seen as a man— a capable pair of hands. he's seen as a man of— a capable pair of hands. he's seen as a man of relative tntetnty— seen as a man of relative tntetnty-a- seen as a man of relative. integrity-a.want seen as a man of relative- integrity-a.want of integrity and like a for want of a totter— integrity and like a for want of a better-an— integrity and like a for want of a better an honest person integrity and like a for want of a ipolitics, an honest person integrity and like a for want of a ipolitics, an istnest person integrity and like a for want of a ipolitics, an is aest person integrity and like a for want of a ipolitics, an is a rarity, son in politics, which is a rarity, i in politics, which is a rarity, t-tnese— in politics, which is a rarity, i-these days.- in politics, which is a rarity, i these days. but when it i think, these days. but when it to— i think, these days. but when it comes to focus— i think, these days. but when it comes to focus groups, think i think, these days. but when it com starmerus groups, think i think, these days. but when it com starmer shouldps, think i think, these days. but when it com starmer should probably< keir starmer should probably stay—wen- keir starmer should probably stay them because keir starmer should probably- stay _them because most keir starmer should probably sttthem, them because most keir starmer should probably sttthem, when them because most keir starmer should probably sttthem, when theyn because most keir starmer should probably sttthem, when they pull:ause most keir starmer should probably sttthem, when they pull him, most of them, when they pull him, tney— of them, when they pull him, tney-cones- of them, when they pull him, they-comes back- of them, when they pull him, they comes back as dull, they always comes back as dull, boring— they always comes back as dull, tonnt ant— they always comes back as dull, tonng ant not— they always comes back as dull, boring and not inspiring . boring and not very inspiring. every— boring and not very inspiring. tweny so— boring and not very inspiring. tweny so otten— boring and not very inspiring. every so often the— boring and not very inspiring. every so often the nation- boring and not very inspiring. every so often the nation needs some dull boring though that some dull and boring though that tends pendulum that tends to be the pendulum that swings, doesn't it? characters in politics. and every often in politics. and every so often you of you need a palate cleanser of someone might just the someone who might just do the spreadsheet. with you spreadsheet. i do agree with you on-nwt— spreadsheet. i do agree with you on-nwt tne— spreadsheet. i do agree with you on-but the problem- on that. but the problem is, i tntnt— on that. but the problem is, i tntnt at— on that. but the problem is, i tntnt at tne— on that. but the problem is, i think at the minute, because the country— think at the minute, because the country sees— think at the minute, because the country seems to— think at the minute, because the country seems to be in a of country seems to be in a bit of a-tnene-s— country seems to be in a bit of a-tnene-s a— country seems to be in a bit of a-there's a huge- a malaise, there's a huge wottens— a malaise, there's a huge problems. nobody a malaise, there's a huge- problems.-nobody really problems. there's nobody really ttwnt—antl giving any kind of vision and i tttnt— giving any kind of vision and i think—starmerj think that's what keir starmer

aotwatty— think that's what keir starmer aotwany—otl think that's what keir starmer. actually—of bold actually lacks some kind of bold teatensntn— actually lacks some kind of bold leadership, like _ actually lacks some kind of bold leadership, like for— actually lacks some kind of bold leadership, like for all his tawtts— leadership, like for all his faults,-johnson- leadership, like for all his faults, johnson was very faults, boris johnson was very toot— faults, boris johnson was veryi toot—anownt faults, boris johnson was veryi gootand_around faults, boris johnson was very gootand actually around faults, boris johnson was very gootand actually pushing'ound faults, boris johnson was very gootand actually pushing people him and actually pushing people tonwant— him and actually pushing people forward—believel forward and making you believe in forward and making you believe tn sonotttnt.— forward and making you believe in something. don't think in something. and i don't think ttsnt— in something. and i don't think tent-tt— in something. and i don't think ttstt-tt. ant— in something. and i don't think rishi-it. and keir- rishi has got it. and keir stamen— rishi has got it. and keir starmer have starmer definitely doesn't have it. starmer definitely doesn't have t. —eonne— starmer definitely doesn't have tt—eone-tol it. yeah, we'll come back to ttsewsstnt— it. yeah, we'll come back toi discussing-later. it. yeah, we'll come back to. discussing-later. i discussing this again later. i do discussing this again later. i to-nentton- discussing this again later. i do-mention before. do want to mention before we move it, favourite move away from it, my favourite thing on that image that they tweeted they rishi tweeted was they put rishi sunak signature. i it? signature. i know. what is it? nean— signature. i know. what is it? yethlhtve_ signature. i know. what is it? yeahihave signed- signature. i know. what is it? yeahihave signed off- gall. ”c: i know. what is it? yeah have signed off on it. yeah i have signed off on it. wean.— yeah i have signed off on it. wean. .— yeah i have signed off on it. wean. . nave— yeah i have signed off on it. yeah. i have to— yeah i have signed off on it. yeah. i have to admit, i'm watttnt— yeah. i have to admit, i'm waiting-these- yeah. i have to admit, i'm waiting these tweets to waiting for these tweets to be taken — waiting for these tweets to bei taken—blamed waiting for these tweets to be- taken_blamed on taken down to and be blamed on the taken down to and be blamed on tne-at— taken down to and be blamed on tne-at sono— taken down to and be blamed on the-at some point.- the intern at some point. i ttnt— the intern at some point. i think.ithink_ the intern at some point. i think. think there'll a lot think. i think there'll be a lot of think. i think there'll be a lot ot tatt— think. i think there'll be a lot of tail between— think. i think there'll be a lot of tail between the legs sttwatton— of tail between the legs situation week. i think situation next week. i think toot— situation next week. i think toot-tt— situation next week. i think good-if anyone's. good idea. if anyone's listening, for listening, there's an excuse for you. there a time you. well, there was once a time when wouldn't rent movie when i wouldn't rent a movie unless nudity was guaranteed. when i wouldn't rent a movie unlenowudity was guaranteed. when i wouldn't rent a movie unlenowudittwonderinginteed. when i wouldn't rent a movie unlenowudittwondering why d. when i wouldn't rent a movie unlenowudittwondering why i'm but now i'm wondering why i'm becoming prude. becoming a bit of a prude. because week, channel because this week, channel 4 aired first episode of naked aired the first episode of naked education. it's a show that's been being all about been promoted as being all about body many body positivity, but many viewers were shocked to see a group adults stripping group of adults stripping off in front children aged 14 to 16. front of children aged 14 to 16. now, before we discuss this, let's take a quick look at what all the fuss is about with the naughty bits. don't worry, they have been covered physical so i

couldn't look at them. i don't think my cats even— couldn't look at them. i don't think my cats even got- f: " e i don't think my cats even got that much natn — think my cats even got that much natn vow-te— think my cats even got that much hair. you're giggling— think my cats even got that much hair. 4:3. gth g z hair. you're giggling quite a lot back there. i'm always the tnat— lot back there. i'm always the tnat tttttes— lot back there. i'm always the one that giggles. _ f ”tstii; i'm always the one that giggles . t,:,..;u f stifti; i'm always the one that giggles . �*ftt�*tigi t:tit one that giggles. well, how do you feel? i feel— one that giggles. well, how do you feel? i feel fine. - one that giggles. �*ftt�*tigi t:tit �*"ti;ti;i’ i feel fine. casual? you feel? i feel fine. casual? nean— you feel? i feel fine. casual? wean — you feel? i feel fine. casual? wean not— you feel? i feel fine. casual? yeah not even— you feel? i feel fine. casual? yeah not even bothered . i you feel? i feel fine. casual?- yeah not even bothered . i mean, yeah not even bothered. i mean, i've yeah not even bothered. i mean, two teen— yeah not even bothered. i mean, i've never been in— yeah not even bothered. i mean, i've never been in a— yeah not even bothered. i mean, i've never been in a room- yeah \tit : i mean, i've never been in a room with tow— i've never been in a room with tow natet— i've never been in a room with four naked people. they've never teen— four naked people. they've never teen tn— four naked people. they've never teen tn a— four naked people. they've never teen tn a room— four naked people. they've never been in a room with— four naked people. they've never been in a room with four naked peopte— been in a room with four naked peopte .— been in a room with four naked peopte . nayte— been in a room with four naked peopte . nayte on— been in a room with four naked people . maybe dr. alex has . been in a room with four naked people . maybe dr. alex has. i'm people. maybe dr. alex has. i'm not swe— people. maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . elliot,— people. maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . elliot, you've got not sure. elliot, you've got natet— not sure. elliot, you've got natet peopte— not sure. elliot, you've got naked people standing in front of naked people standing in front ot yon.— naked people standing in front ot yow. ves— naked people standing in front ot you. yes t— naked people standing in front of you. yes i do. _ naked people standing in front of you. yes i do. is this a new thing? a new experience? i'm guessing it probably is. yeah it is a bit . i guessing it probably is. yeah it is a bit. i think i've been in a room with four naked people ehhen in a room with four naked people either, but that's probably a different story. so has channel 4 gone too far this time? i'm joined by ba.2 , the head joined by steve ba.2, the head of education at christian concern . thank forjoining concern. thank you for joining me . so has he gone too far or is me. so has he gone too far or is this just educational television? about body television? all about body positivity ? yes , it has gone too positivity? yes, it has gone too far t— positivity? yes, it has gone too tan , tn— positivity? yes, it has gone too tan , tn ny—

positivity? yes, it has gone too far , in my opinion.— positivity? yes, it has gone too far , in my opinion. i- e . a? yes, it has gone too far , in my opinion. i think this far, in my opinion. i think this is far, in my opinion. i think this ts appatttnt— far, in my opinion. i think this ts aooatttnt .— far, in my opinion. i think this is appalling. it's— far, in my opinion. i think this is appalling. it's framing far, in my opinion. i think this is appalling . it's framing these is appalling. it's framing these tntnts— is appalling. it's framing these tntnts as— is appalling. it's framing these tntnts as a— is appalling. it's framing these things as a form— is appalling. it's framing these things as a form of education in the things as a form of education in to tony— things as a form of education in to very tttte — things as a form of education in the very title is— things as a form of education in the very title is nato covid ttweatton — the very title is nato covid education and— the very title is nato covid education and they claim to be bent— education and they claim to be tetnt toty— education and they claim to be being body positive . lviv they being body positive. lviv they want— being body positive. lviv they want to— being body positive. lviv they want to tatt— being body positive. lviv they want to talk about being sex nostttwe— want to talk about being sex postttwe. ant— want to talk about being sex positive. and so— want to talk about being sex positive. and so this is all tno— positive. and so this is all fine, tat— positive. and so this is all fine, but the _ positive. and so this is all fine, but the process of trying to note — fine, but the process of trying to not tnoso— fine, but the process of trying to help these young people feel nostttwe— to help these young people feel positive about— to help these young people feel positive about their bodies is to, as— positive about their bodies is to, as we— positive about their bodies is to, as you've seen there on that otto— to, as you've seen there on that stay to— to, as you've seen there on that out, to nave— to, as you've seen there on that clip, to have naked— to, as you've seen there on that clip, to have naked adults panattnt— clip, to have naked adults parading before them. the 14 yea— parading before them. the 14 year ott— parading before them. the 14 year old, some— parading before them. the 14 year old, some of these children panattnt— year old, some of these children panattnt tnetn— year old, some of these children parading their sexual parts in nont— parading their sexual parts in tnont ot— parading their sexual parts in front of these— parading their sexual parts in front of these children and, of tnts— front of these children and, of course, this is— front of these children and, of course, this is one— front of these children and, of course, this is one of those states— course, this is one of those states ot— course, this is one of those states ot tast— course, this is one of those stages of just kind of breaking town— stages of just kind of breaking town tnoso— stages of just kind of breaking down those natural that natural embarrassment.— down those natural that natural embarrassment. i— down those natural that natural embarrassment. i mean, you can tnoso— embarrassment. i mean, you can see those teenagers— embarrassment. i mean, you can see those teenagers giggling tnene— see those teenagers giggling there couldn't— see those teenagers giggling there couldn't you? they weren't tatte— there couldn't you? they weren't tatte swe— there couldn't you? they weren't quite sure what— there couldn't you? they weren't quite sure what-do- there couldn't you? they weren't quite sure what do with what there couldn't you? they weren't qlwas;ure what do with what there couldn't you? they weren't qlwas that nhat do with what there couldn't you? they weren't qlwas that they do with what there couldn't you? they weren't qlwas that they were with what there couldn't you? they weren't qlwas that they were seeing. lat it was that they were seeing. tnene-s— it was that they were seeing. tnene-s tnts— it was that they were seeing. there's this natural inbuilt sense of, well,— there's this natural inbuilt sense of, well, these these pants— sense of, well, these these pants — sense of, well, these these parts are private, aren't they? we parts are private, aren't they? we stowttn-t— parts are private, aren't they? we shouldn't really be looking at eaen— we shouldn't really be looking at each other's_ we shouldn't really be looking at each other's private parts in tnts— at each other's private parts in tnts-ot— at each other's private parts in this-of-framingl at each other's private parts ini this-of-framing it this kind of way and framing it as education— this kind of way and framing it as education is— this kind of way and framing it

as education is a— this kind of way and framing it as education is a really kind of covet— as education is a really kind of covert way— as education is a really kind of etewer way to — as education is a really kind of clever way to try— as education is a really kind of clever way to try and expose and ttts— clever way to try and expose and increase this kind— clever way to try and expose and increase this kind of nakedness otearty— increase this kind of nakedness more clearly on— increase this kind of nakedness more clearly on the on the meta— more clearly on the on the netta ts— more clearly on the on the media, is there— more clearly on the on the media, is there a difference between— media, is there a difference between what— media, is there a difference between what our emotional response should— between what our emotional response should be if these were napoentnt— response should be if these were nappentnt tn— response should be if these were nappentnt tn ewery— response should be if these were happening in every school versus it's happening in every school versus tt-s a— happening in every school versus tt-s a tw— happening in every school versus tt-s a tv snow,— happening in every school versus it's a tv show, the— happening in every school versus it's a tv show, the channel 4 sart— it's a tv show, the channel 4 satt tnat— it's a tv show, the channel 4 said that the— it's a tv show, the channel 4 said that the correct consent wowtt— said that the correct consent one would imagine both the child and one would imagine both the child ant tne— one would imagine both the child and the parents— one would imagine both the child and the parents was given before tney— and the parents was given before ttey toot— and the parents was given before tney toot part— and the parents was given before tney toot part tn— and the parents was given before they took part in it— and the parents was given before they took part in it. e they took part in it. it's a tasotnattnt— they took part in it. it's a fascinating question. i mean, i've a head teacher- fascinating question. i mean, i've a head teacher for- g i mean, i've a head teacher for many years— i've a head teacher for many years ant— i've a head teacher for many years, and this— i've a head teacher for many years, and this this whole twestton— years, and this this whole twestton ot— years, and this this whole question of consent is fascinating— question of consent is fascinating .- question of consent is fascinating . if a if a child was fascinating. if a if a child was to tone— fascinating. if a if a child was to to— fascinating. if a if a child was to come to me— fascinating. if a if a child was to come to me a— fascinating. if a if a child was to come to me a year, nine child or tntrt— to come to me a year, nine child or tntrt y...— to come to me a year, nine child or third year, perhaps , when you or third year, perhaps, when you or third year, perhaps, when you or t— or third year, perhaps, when you or t or— or third year, perhaps, when you or t or-ot— or third year, perhaps, when you or i or-of-viewers- or i or some of your viewers werelsonoot— or i or some of your viewers were-school and- or i or some of your viewers were school and to say, do were at school and to say, do you— were at school and to say, do yon-wna— were at school and to say, do yon-wnat-t-we- were at school and to say, do you-what-i've had were at school and to say, do- you-what-i've had some you know what what i've had some atwtts— you know what what i've had some atwttslatwtts— you know what what i've had some adults-adults, um,— adults for adults, um, demonstrate- adults for adults, um, demonstrate their genitals to ttey-we — demonstrate their genitals to me. they've and— demonstrate their genitals to me. they've and i was in this ttnt— me. they've and i was in this ttnt ot— me. they've and i was in this kind of classroom— me. they've and i was in this kind of classroom setting and tney— kind of classroom setting and tney snowet— kind of classroom setting and they showed me— kind of classroom setting and they showed me their things and i they showed me their things and t tave— they showed me their things and t tawe eonset— they showed me their things and i gave consent for— they showed me their things and i gave consent for this to nation— i gave consent for this to nappen as— i gave consent for this to nappen as a— i gave consent for this to happen as a child. and my parents— happen as a child. and my parents also— happen as a child. and my parents also gave consent for me to te— parents also gave consent for me to to snown— parents also gave consent for me to be shown these— parents also gave consent for me to be shown these naked people as a teat— to be shown these naked people as a head teacher— to be shown these naked people as a head teacher or a designated— as a head teacher or a designated safeguarding lead. i wowtt— designated safeguarding lead. i wowtt te— designated safeguarding lead. i would be taking— designated safeguarding lead. i would be taking notes on that

ant— would be taking notes on that ant t— would be taking notes on that ant t wowtt— would be taking notes on that and i would be— would be taking notes on that and i would be raising it as a as a safeguarding concern. um, rotat— as a safeguarding concern. um, retart ot— as a safeguarding concern. um, regard of whether— as a safeguarding concern. um, regard of whether it's a television _ regard of whether it's a television programme or if it's going— television programme or if it's totnt on— television programme or if it's totnt on tn— television programme or if it's totnt on tn ewery— television programme or if it's going on in every class. these ttese— going on in every class. these these-children— going on in every class. these these children here are these are children here who are being— these are children here who are tetnt—tns- these are children here who are being—this and- these are children here who are being—this and are. being exposed to this and are tney— being exposed to this and are tney reany. — being exposed to this and are they really. gillick competent to say,— they really. gillick competent to say, on— they really. gillick competent to say, on yes— they really. gillick competent to say, oh yes, i'm psychologically ready to be seetnt— psychologically ready to be seetng ttts— psychologically ready to be seeing this and— psychologically ready to be seeing this and to be having tnoso— seeing this and to be having ttese tnoso— seeing this and to be having these these discussions with tnoso— these these discussions with these adults— these these discussions with these adults which is all very it's normalising— these adults which is all very it's normalising and it's kind of desensitising_ it's normalising and it's kind of desensitising them to the ttea— of desensitising them to the ttea ot— of desensitising them to the idea of having— of desensitising them to the idea of having strangers naked tetore— idea of having strangers naked tetore wen.— idea of having strangers naked before them. it's— idea of having strangers naked before them. it's been a long wttte— before them. it's been a long the se— before them. it's been a long while since i— before them. it's been a long while since i learned the basics atowt— while since i learned the basics atowt att— while since i learned the basics atowt an ot— while since i learned the basics about all of this. _ while since i learned the basics about all of this. i— while since i learned the basics about all of this. ”tif�*tif�* about all of this. i remember most of it, but i can't remember what age we were shown things. so pictures of genitals would have been taught to his in sex education. and that certainly happened at the second secondary school. so we have been school. so we might have been talking those it talking about those ages. it must we must have been before we finished in that age finished gcse. so in that age group, i was showed group, i guess i was showed pictures of these kind of things. a difference things. is there a difference between picture and having ? i between a picture and having? i mean, suppose there is. it's mean, i suppose there is. it's the three dimensions, but how much difference does it much of a difference does it make seeing live make when you're seeing a live model? more than just the

model? it's more than just the three dimensions. you can see that three dimensions. you can see tnat tnere-s— three dimensions. you can see that there's kind _ three dimensions. you can see that there's kind .an - that there's kind of an engagement- engagement between these entttren— engagement between these children and— engagement between these children and these adults and engagement,— children and these adults and engagement, the eye contact, the communication.— engagement, the eye contact, the communication. and of course, as tnts— communication. and of course, as we programme— communication. and of course, as this programme continues , these this programme continues, these entttren— this programme continues, these enntren-tetnt— this programme continues, these children being encouraged to children are being encouraged to reatty— children are being encouraged to really sympathise— children are being encouraged to really sympathise with these atwtts. — really sympathise with these adults. some _ really sympathise with these adults. some of— really sympathise with these adults. some of them have got toy— adults. some of them have got some some key issues. i mean, oneltnen-s— some some key issues. i mean, oneltnen-s tot— some some key issues. i mean, one them's got some issues to one of them's got some issues to do one of them's got some issues to to wttn— one of them's got some issues to to wttn narr— one of them's got some issues to do with hair growth— one of them's got some issues to do with hair growth , polycystic do with hair growth, polycystic ant— do with hair growth, polycystic ovaries and that's a serious tsswe— ovaries and that's a serious ttat— ovaries and that's a serious issue that does— ovaries and that's a serious issue that does need to be ratset— issue that does need to be ratset ant— issue that does need to be raised and talked about sensttty— raised and talked about sensibly. but- raised and talked about sensibly. but raised and talked about— sensibly. but raised and talked about sensibly— sensibly. but raised and talked about sensibly .— sensibly. but raised and talked about sensibly . and the way in about sensibly. and the way in wtton— about sensibly. and the way in wtton ttey— about sensibly. and the way in which they were— about sensibly. and the way in which they were doing it was to ttese— which they were doing it was to cause these children to feel enpatny— cause these children to feel empathy towards them. these 14 year— empathy towards them. these 14 year otts— empathy towards them. these 14 year otts teet— empathy towards them. these 14 year olds feel empathy towards tnen. — year olds feel empathy towards tnen. or— year olds feel empathy towards them. of course,— year olds feel empathy towards them. of course, they should be attowet— them. of course, they should be allowed themselves of allowed to be themselves as of coarse—te- allowed to be themselves as of course—be free.| course they should be be free. nat— course they should be be free. tat tne— course they should be be free. tat tne way— course they should be be free. tat tne way tn— course they should be be free. but the way in which you educate entttren— but the way in which you educate children -these_ but the way in which you educate children these things children about these things is not—natetl children about these things is- not_naked adults not by showing them naked adults and not by showing them naked adults ant—tnen— not by showing them naked adults ant—tnenltn- and trying to get them to in tnts— and trying to get them to in tnts-ot— and trying to get them to in this of desensitising way this kind of desensitising way teet— this kind of desensitising way toot synpatny— this kind of desensitising way feel sympathy for them. but aetwatty— feel sympathy for them. but actually talk— feel sympathy for them. but actually talk about these things wttn — actually talk about these things wttn parents— actually talk about these things with parents, with— actually talk about these things with parents, with trusted teaoters— with parents, with trusted teachers without having to have a natet— teachers without having to have a natet toty— teachers without having to have a naked body in— teachers without having to have a naked body in front of you. i part— a naked body in front of you. i part ot— a naked body in front of you. i mean, part of the— a naked body in front of you. i mean, part of the issue with all

of mean, part of the issue with all ot ttts— mean, part of the issue with all ot tnts ts— mean, part of the issue with all ot tnts ts tt-s— mean, part of the issue with all of this is it's kind— mean, part of the issue with all of this is it's kind of hiding in of this is it's kind of hiding tn ntatn— of this is it's kind of hiding in plain sight.— of this is it's kind of hiding in plain sight. you've in plain sight. i mean, you've atreaty— in plain sight. i mean, you've already referenced jemmy savile eartter— already referenced jemmy savile eartteron— already referenced jemmy savile eartter on my— already referenced jemmy savile earlier on my feelings around tnts— earlier on my feelings around we ttnt— earlier on my feelings around we ttnt ot— earlier on my feelings around this kind of things is these ttnt—tonei this kind of things is these. kind—done in kind of things being done in tnts— kind of things being done in tnts-way— kind of things being done in this-way kind- kind of things being done in this-way kind of- kind of things being done in this way kind of allows this public way kind of allows tnen — this public way kind of allows tnen lntte— this public way kind of allows them hide almost. this is them to hide almost. this is tast— them to hide almost. this is just education.— them to hide almost. this is just education. the way in which it's just education. the way in which tt-s nanot— just education. the way in which it's framed .very_ just education. the way in which it's framed .very ,_ just education. the way in which it's framed very , very it's framed is very, very tattoos— it's framed is very, very- dubious-disturbing . dubious and quite disturbing. ing dubious and quite disturbing. tno okay.— dubious and quite disturbing. ing okay, steve,— dubious and quite disturbing. ing okay, steve, let- dubious and quite disturbing. ing okay, steve, let me- dubious and quite disturbing. nc t: " ing okay, steve, let me bring in peter again. are we being a prude or is it simply that prude here or is it simply that these issues of polycystic ovaries, that one ovaries, the thing that one should learn about, but we could learn these things learn about all of these things to body confidence, with to do with body confidence, with something covering the you know, what? yeah, admit, what? yeah, i have to admit, tnts— what? yeah, i have to admit, tnts-reatty— , yeah, i have to admit, this really interesting this is a really interesting ttnt—t-t- this is a really interesting. ttnt—t-t-to kind of situation. i'd love to know— kind of situation. i'd love to know-snow- kind of situation. i'd love to know show actually kind of situation. i'd love to- know-show actually got know how this show actually got commissioned _ know how this show actually got commissioned .the _ know how this show actually got commissioned the place. commissioned in the first place. i'd commissioned in the first place. t-t—now— commissioned in the first place. t-t—now tne- i'd love to know how the safeguarding— i'd love to know how the safeguarding and how how they've aetwatty— safeguarding and how how they've actually -together.- actually put it all together. nat— actually put it all together. tat-nave— actually put it all together. but have increase but we do have an increase in tntnts— but we do have an increase in things—disorders. things like eating disorders. tnere-s— there's you know, the problems of there's you know, the problems ot sonat— there's you know, the problems of social media— there's you know, the problems of social media and there are reat— of social media and there are real problems— of social media and there are real problems that this is real problems that this show is trytnt—twst- real problems that this show is trytnt—twst ton-tl trying to tackle. i just don't tttnt—rttnt- trying to tackle. i just don't think—right way. trying to tackle. i just don'ti think—right way to think this is the right way to aetwatty— think this is the right way to aetwany—tol actually go about trying to taste— actually go about trying to tackle - issues. - actually go about trying to tackle issues. think in tackle those issues. i think in tne— tackle those issues. i think in to typtoat— tackle those issues. i think in the typical channel 4 way, tney-we — the typical channel 4 way, tney-we ttnt— the typical channel 4 way, they've kind of— the typical channel 4 way, they've kind of jumped in with two teet— they've kind of jumped in with two teet ant— they've kind of jumped in with two feet and not— they've kind of jumped in with two feet and not really thought about—nean- two feet and not really thoughti about—yeah, steve, about it very much. yeah, steve,

wowtt— about it very much. yeah, steve, wowtt-wttn— about it very much. yeah, steve, would-with that- about it very much. yeah, steve, would with that then? would you agree with that then? that—ts- that actually the intention is good just the execution good and it's just the execution that's problem you disagree good and it's just the execution that'swell)roblem you disagree good and it's just the execution that's well therem you disagree good and it's just the execution that's well there are ou disagree good and it's just the execution that's well there are definitelye with? well there are definitely issues here. i mean, large nwrnerst— issues here. i mean, large nwrnersat—el issues here. i mean, large- numbers_are watching numbers of children are watching . tnoso— numbers of children are watching . these augmented— numbers of children are watching . these augmented bodies as neawtty— . these augmented bodies as heavily shaven_ . these augmented bodies as heavily shaven bodies . and heavily shaven bodies. and tney-re— heavily shaven bodies. and they're seeing— heavily shaven bodies. and they're seeing all of these tttnts— they're seeing all of these tntngs. ant— they're seeing all of these things. and they're obviously toottnt— things. and they're obviously toottnt at— things. and they're obviously looking at their— things. and they're obviously looking at their own bodies and tttnttnt— looking at their own bodies and tntnttng, ny— looking at their own bodies and thinking, my body is different tron— thinking, my body is different tron tnat. — thinking, my body is different from that. the— thinking, my body is different from that. the way to solve this is from that. the way to solve this ts not— from that. the way to solve this ts notlnawtnt— from that. the way to solve this is not-having more- from that. the way to solve this is not having more adult is not by having more adult natetness— is not by having more adult nakedness in— is not by having more adult nakedness in front of children . nakedness in front of children. i nakedness in front of children. t mean— nakedness in front of children. t tn— nakedness in front of children. i mean, in what— nakedness in front of children. i mean, in what world is that going— i mean, in what world is that totnt to— i mean, in what world is that totnt to help— i mean, in what world is that going to help solve these kinds of going to help solve these kinds ot tsswes— going to help solve these kinds ot e— going to help solve these kinds of issues ? there— going to help solve these kinds of issues ? there are sorts of issues? there are all sorts of issues? there are all sorts ot—owr— of issues? there are all sorts of_our children. of issues? there are all sorts. of_our children and of issues with our children and strteen— of issues with our children and sixteen sexual— of issues with our children and sixteen sexual images being sent tetween— sixteen sexual images being sent between children— sixteen sexual images being sent between children being sent from atwtts— between children being sent from atwtts to— between children being sent from adults to children. _ between children being sent from adults to children. we one in ewery— adults to children. we one in ewery pnnary— adults to children. we one in every primary primary school otass— every primary primary school etass .— every primary primary school etass , r— every primary primary school etass , r tn— every primary primary school class , 1 in 25— every primary primary school class , 1 in 25 from the nspcc class, 1 in 25 from the nspcc swrwey— class, 1 in 25 from the nspcc swrwey nave— class, 1 in 25 from the nspcc survey have been— class, 1 in 25 from the nspcc survey have been sent a sexual tnate— survey have been sent a sexual tnate tron— survey have been sent a sexual tnage tron an— survey have been sent a sexual image from an adult or another young— image from an adult or another young person— image from an adult or another young person tn— image from an adult or another young person in the primary sotoot— young person in the primary school. this— young person in the primary school. this isn't— young person in the primary school. this isn't talking about the school. this isn't talking about to teenagers— school. this isn't talking about the teenagers, so— school. this isn't talking about the teenagers, so we have a huge tsswe— the teenagers, so we have a huge aount— the teenagers, so we have a huge issue around this— the teenagers, so we have a huge issue around this pornification of issue around this pornification ot sootety. — issue around this pornification ot sootety. nut— issue around this pornification of society. but this is not the way— of society. but this is not the way to— of society. but this is not the way to sowe— of society. but this is not the way to solve those issues . we way to solve those issues. we neet— way to solve those issues. we neet to— way to solve those issues. we neet to ttnt— way to solve those issues. we need to find other— way to solve those issues. we need to find other ways to protest— need to find other ways to protect children and to teach ontttren— protect children and to teach children effective that do not

tnwotwe— children effective that do not involve adults— children effective that do not involve adults who some of these atutts— involve adults who some of these atutts tney— involve adults who some of these adults, they kind— involve adults who some of these adults, they kind of— involve adults who some of these adults, they kind of sex toy. they— adults, they kind of sex toy. tney to— adults, they kind of sex toy. tney to se— adults, they kind of sex toy. they do sex toys, reviews . they they do sex toys, reviews. they do they do sex toys, reviews. they to songs— they do sex toys, reviews. they to songs atout— they do sex toys, reviews. they do songs about masturbation . do songs about masturbation. tnoso— do songs about masturbation. tnese are— do songs about masturbation. these are the— do songs about masturbation. these are the kind of adults tnat— these are the kind of adults tnat are— these are the kind of adults that are being— these are the kind of adults that are being put there to help teaon— that are being put there to help teaon tnoso— that are being put there to help teach these young— that are being put there to help teach these young children tnroutn— teach these young children through demonstrating the natetness— through demonstrating the nakedness of— through demonstrating the nakedness of their bodies. this is nakedness of their bodies. this ts not— nakedness of their bodies. this ts not tne— nakedness of their bodies. this ts not to way— nakedness of their bodies. this is not the way to— nakedness of their bodies. this is not the way to deal with tnoso— is not the way to deal with these issues— is not the way to deal with these issues we've just done. ant— these issues we've just done. ant-putty— these issues we've just done. and-guiltylthis- these issues we've just done. and-guiltylthis as- these issues we've just done. and-guiltylthis as well.| and i'm guilty of this as well. i've this all day i've been guilty of this all day reading if falling reading this story. if falling back trap thinking reading this story. if falling baciis trap thinking reading this story. if falling baciis a trap thinking reading this story. if falling baciis a lessonap thinking reading this story. if falling baciis a lesson taking�*iinking reading this story. if falling baciis a lesson taking place; reading this story. if falling baciis a lesson taking place in this is a lesson taking place in a school because that's what it looks not taking looks like, but it's not taking place in schools, is it? this is a taking place in a tv a thing taking place in a tv studio, difficult for studio, and it's difficult for us out our us to separate that out in our mind, might a flaw of mind, which might be a flaw of the show. well, one of the the tv show. well, one of the oneltne— the tv show. well, one of the one .the things _ the tv show. well, one of the one-the things about- . well, one of the one the things about all one of the things about all tnts— one of the things about all ttts ot— one of the things about all this, of course,— one of the things about all this, of course, is that in our classrooms across- this, of course, is that in our classrooms across the country, tore— classrooms across the country, nerelcnrtsttan— classrooms across the country, here christian concern, we're here at christian concern, we're neartnt— here at christian concern, we're. neartnt—tnat here at christian concern, we're hear inappropriate that here at christian concern, we're hear inappropriate things that here at christian concern, we're hear inappropriate things are that very inappropriate things are being— very inappropriate things are tetnt taugnt— very inappropriate things are being taught to— very inappropriate things are being taught to children with very— being taught to children with wery trapnto— being taught to children with very graphic visual imagery very graphic and visual imagery . ant— very graphic and visual imagery . ant so— very graphic and visual imagery . ant so ttts— very graphic and visual imagery . and so this isn't— very graphic and visual imagery . and so this isn't so far away tron— . and so this isn't so far away tron wtat— . and so this isn't so far away tron wnat ts— . and so this isn't so far away from what is already happening in from what is already happening tn many— from what is already happening in many schools— from what is already happening in many schools where gender ttenttty— in many schools where gender identity politics— in many schools where gender identity politics is being entoroet— identity politics is being enforced on— identity politics is being enforced on children without

parents— enforced on children without parents consent,— enforced on children without parents consent, without parents unterstanttnt— parents consent, without parents understanding what's going on. we understanding what's going on. we tave— understanding what's going on. we have parents— understanding what's going on. we have parents all the time and eaten— we have parents all the time and teaoters as— we have parents all the time and teachers as well— we have parents all the time and teachers as well-to - we have parents all the time and teachers as well to at teachers as well coming to us at cnrtsttan— teachers as well coming to us at christian concern— teachers as well coming to us at christian concern-i- christian concern saying, i cant— christian concern saying, i. oan-t—ts can't understand why this is being— can't understand why this is being allowed— can't understand why this is being allowed .— can't understand why this is being allowed . and in many ways being allowed. and in many ways wnat— being allowed. and in many ways wnat were— being allowed. and in many ways what we're-here- being allowed. and in many ways what we're-here is- being allowed. and in many ways what we're here is that what we're seeing here is that potenttatty—upl potentially the next step up towarts— potentially the next step up towards the _ potentially the next step up towards the kind of education tnat— towards the kind of education tnat tne— towards the kind of education that the sexual— towards the kind of education that the sexual progressives woutt— that the sexual progressives woutt reany— that the sexual progressives would really love to see being put— would really love to see being put nont— would really love to see being put front children— would really love to see being put front children who should teaen— put front children who should teaon ttts— put front children who should teach this stuff,— put front children who should teach this stuff, then who do you— teach this stuff, then who do you tntnt— teach this stuff, then who do you think should teach this stutte— you think should teach this stun-one,- you think should teach this stuff? one, parents. stuff? number one, parents. parents— stuff? number one, parents. parents love— stuff? number one, parents. parents love their children. parents— parents love their children. parents don't— parents love their children. parents don't know their otntren— parents don't know their children. if— parents don't know their children. if you're a parent tore,— children. if you're a parent nere, ptease— children. if you're a parent here, please talk to your ottttren— here, please talk to your children about- here, please talk to your children about these key issues tetore— children about these key issues before somebody— children about these key issues before somebody else does, because— before somebody else does, because they _ before somebody else does, because they if— before somebody else does, because they if they're interested _ because they if they're interested in- because they if they're interested in these kinds of ant— interested in these kinds of issues and they're curious and ttey— issues and they're curious and ttey-ant— issues and they're curious and tney-ant you-re- issues and they're curious and they and you're not they will be and you're not teaontnt— teaching them about them, sonetoty— teaching them about them, somebody-be. - teaching them about them, somebody-be. can teaching them about them, somreally-be. can teaching them about them, som really trust-be. can teaching them about them, som really trust those a. can teaching them about them, som really trust those people :an you really trust those people tnat— you really trust those people tnat ttey— you really trust those people tnat tney are— you really trust those people that they are searching on the tnternet— that they are searching on the tnternet to— that they are searching on the internet to find— that they are searching on the internet to find these answers pomp— internet to find these answers trons-stewe— internet to find these answers from? steve, thank you for from? no, steve, thank you for tnat.— from? no, steve, thank you for tnat—teat- from? no, steve, thank you for tnat—teat ot- that. steve ba.2, head of education christian concern . education at christian concern. well, you're watching mark dolan tonight steven allen. tonight with me, steven allen. coming up next, the first of our viewer debates . so sean coming up next, the first of our viewer debates. so sean and coming up next, the first of our viewer debates . so sean and lars viewer debates. so sean and lars discuss the plan to house migrants on a barge in the

middle of nowhere. we'll see you shortly . we .

welcome back. this week, the home office confirmed a barge housing up to 500 people will accommodate migrants in portland. in dorset, immigration minister robert jenrick hailed the move as part of the government's effort to trim down the current £6 million per day cost of housing asylum seekers in hotels. he also claimed it would help prevent the uk becoming a magnet for asylum shoppers in europe. well, as you'd expect , such you'd expect, such a controversial plan has been met with differing opinions. the daily mail warned how migrants have threatened to disappear into the sea, into the streets and live harmlessly rather than be moved onto these floating hotels. while labour simply called the plans ridiculous gimmick . so will it work? i'm gimmick. so will it work? i'm joined now by gb news viewer sean and lars. thank you for

joining me. sean, first of all, so do you think that the migrant barge is the right way to tackle this issue ? no, i think it's this issue? no, i think it's pottttoat— this issue? no, i think it's political posturing- , no, i think it's political posturing . it's just political posturing. it's just tneatre— political posturing. it's just theatre and— political posturing. it's just theatre and the— political posturing. it's just theatre and the reason i say tnat— theatre and the reason i say tnat ts— theatre and the reason i say tnat ts ttts— theatre and the reason i say that is this is— theatre and the reason i say that is this is addressing the symptom — that is this is addressing the symptom rather— that is this is addressing the symptom rather than the cause . symptom rather than the cause. tne— symptom rather than the cause. tne synpton— symptom rather than the cause. tne synpton ts— symptom rather than the cause. the symptom is here and it's teen— the symptom is here and it's teen tore— the symptom is here and it's been here for— the symptom is here and it's been here for three years. the ts tne— been here for three years. the cause is the actual criminal aottwtty— cause is the actual criminal activity happening . the other activity happening. the other stte— activity happening. the other stte ot— activity happening. the other stte ot tte— activity happening. the other side of the channel facility tetttnt— side of the channel facility tetttnt many,— side of the channel facility getting many, many migrants oontnt— getting many, many migrants coming across— getting many, many migrants coming across now had they said, torna— coming across now had they said, totnt to— coming across now had they said, totnt to put— coming across now had they said, we're going to put these barges in we're going to put these barges tn ptaoe— we're going to put these barges tn ptaoe ttree— we're going to put these barges in place three years ago for processingt — in place three years ago for processing, i.e._ in place three years ago for processing, i.e. before any nttrant— processing, i.e. before any migrant lands— processing, i.e. before any migrant lands on uk soil, that woutt— migrant lands on uk soil, that woutt tawe— migrant lands on uk soil, that would have been— migrant lands on uk soil, that would have been a good initiative,— would have been a good initiative, although that would stttt— initiative, although that would sttn to — initiative, although that would still be late.— initiative, although that would still be late. but— initiative, although that would still be late. but doing it tnree— still be late. but doing it tnree years— still be late. but doing it three years later is just it toesn-t— three years later is just it doesn't make— three years later is just it doesn't make any sense at all. ttnt— doesn't make any sense at all. ant tne— doesn't make any sense at all. and the maths— doesn't make any sense at all. and the maths don't work . if and the maths don't work. if youwe— and the maths don't work. if youe pot— and the maths don't work. if youe got too— and the maths don't work. if you've got 500 migrants per

targe— you've got 500 migrants per page ant— you've got 500 migrants per barge and you've got a thousand nttrants— barge and you've got a thousand migrants crossing— barge and you've got a thousand migrants crossing approximately orosstnt— migrants crossing approximately orosstnt per— migrants crossing approximately crossing per week, that's 50,000 a y... — crossing per week, that's 50,000 ayear, you— crossing per week, that's 50,000 ayear, youre torna— crossing per week, that's 50,000 a year, you're going to need 100 pages— a year, you're going to need 100 pages tust— a year, you're going to need 100 pages tust roo— a year, you're going to need 100 barges, just 100 barges in one year— barges, just 100 barges in one year to— barges, just 100 barges in one year to none— barges, just 100 barges in one year to more off— barges, just 100 barges in one year to more off the coast of entan— year to more off the coast of nrttatn. ant— year to more off the coast of britain. and it— year to more off the coast of britain. and it gets worse than tnat— britain. and it gets worse than tnat teeause— britain. and it gets worse than that because net— britain. and it gets worse than that because net migration to the that because net migration to to ut— that because net migration to to ut tast— that because net migration to the uk last year— that because net migration to the uk last year was just over sooooo. — the uk last year was just over sooooo. now— the uk last year was just over 500,000. now that's the size of tne— 500,000. now that's the size of to aty— 500,000. now that's the size of to otty ot— 500,000. now that's the size of the city of leicester— 500,000. now that's the size of the city of leicester or the ow— the city of leicester or the otty ot— the city of leicester or the city of leeds— the city of leicester or the city of leeds .— the city of leicester or the city of leeds . and you think we city of leeds. and you think we rust— city of leeds. and you think we tust cannot— city of leeds. and you think we just cannot cumulatively carry on atte— just cannot cumulatively carry on ttte ttts— just cannot cumulatively carry on like this because it's tnpaottnt— on like this because it's impacting on- on like this because it's impacting on our housing, on our on pottee— impacting on our housing, on our on our police force,— impacting on our housing, on our on our police force, education, on our police force, education, on sootat— on our police force, education, on social services— on our police force, education, on social services ,_ on our police force, education, on social services , transport on social services, transport ant— on social services, transport ant none— on social services, transport ant ot— on social services, transport and none of this.- on social services, transport and none of this. this is the ot— and none of this. this is the ot rt.— and none of this. this is the crux of it. none— and none of this. this is the crux of it. none of this is ptannet— crux of it. none of this is ptannet .— crux of it. none of this is planned . now,- crux of it. none of this is planned . now, if you've got planned. now, if you've got a towernnent— planned. now, if you've got a government coming into power, ttey— government coming into power, tney nornatty— government coming into power, they normally have manifestos ant— they normally have manifestos ant part— they normally have manifestos ant part ot— they normally have manifestos and part of that— they normally have manifestos and part of that manifestos is the and part of that manifestos is to ptanntnt— and part of that manifestos is the planning process. none of ttts— the planning process. none of we nas— the planning process. none of this has been— the planning process. none of this has been planned. so hence why— this has been planned. so hence wny were— this has been planned. so hence wny tn—

this has been planned. so hence wny tn a— this has been planned. so hence why we're in a state of flux . why we're in a state of flux. ant— why we're in a state of flux. ant ttts— why we're in a state of flux. ant tnts ts— why we're in a state of flux. and this is just— why we're in a state of flux. and this is just sticking ptaster— and this is just sticking ptaster .— and this is just sticking ptaster, as— and this is just sticking plaster , as far as i'm plaster, as far as i'm concerned,- plaster, as far as i'm concerned, trying to sort out a rnrato— concerned, trying to sort out a rnrato rssue— concerned, trying to sort out a major issue for— concerned, trying to sort out a major issue for this country. tnteresttnt— major issue for this country. interesting stuff— major issue for this country. interesting stuff though, sean. interesting stuff though, sean. t suppose— interesting stuff though, sean. t suppose net— interesting stuff though, sean. i suppose net migration- interesting stuff though, sean. i suppose net migration figures wouldn't mean that everyone needs to be housed on a barge in net migration figures, but still, you're right about the maths with 500, that's less than a day's worth, i suppose. lars talk us through your take on this. well i'm in favour of the barges, actually, but i was going as far as saying about a few months ago that we should be commandeering some old cruise ships and putting them on the cruise ships. i mean, these ttese— cruise ships. i mean, these tnese peopte— cruise ships. i mean, these these people are- ti.. i mean, these these people are coming regarttess— these people are coming regardless whether whether we like regardless whether whether we ttte tt— regardless whether whether we ttte tt or— regardless whether whether we ttte tt or not.— regardless whether whether we like it or not, they're coming tnto— like it or not, they're coming across into uk.— like it or not, they're coming across into uk. we have to find ptaoes— across into uk. we have to find ptaoes to— across into uk. we have to find places to house— across into uk. we have to find places to house them. and if tt— places to house them. and if tt we— places to house them. and if we're if we want— places to house them. and if we're if we want to find cheaper ptaoes— we're if we want to find cheaper ptaoes to— we're if we want to find cheaper places to house— we're if we want to find cheaper places to house them, then tartes— places to house them, then pages are— places to house them, then barges are an— places to house them, then barges are an option as well as sntps— barges are an option as well as sntps ant— barges are an option as well as cruise ships and from my understanding, there's six of tnoso— understanding, there's six of ttese tartes— understanding, there's six of these barges available . �*ftt�*tigl these barges available. well, tars.— these barges available. well, tars-you- these barges available. well, lars,-you could- these barges available. well, lars,-you could say| lars, i suppose you could say it's not just about the number of people turning up the terrible rate at which

processing has happened is the reason we have such a large backlog. we wouldn't even need barges we were swift. would barges if we were swift. would you that a as a counter you take that as a as a counter point? yeah , i would say point? lars yeah, i would say there's counter point there's a counter point and there's a counter point and there's very various different sectors in government where they are staffed and that is are short staffed and that is part of the problem, but also the processing is quite cumbersome . sean, what do you cumbersome. sean, what do you think about that? i mean, you're right to point out that the numbers are tricky, but i suppose you can always expand the number of barges this is part approach. not part of their approach. it's not as be the only as if barges will be the only solution . but we solving the solution. but are we solving the wrong problem here? well, no, it just seems wrong problem here? well, no, it tust to— wrong problem here? well, no, it just seems to me— wrong problem here? well, no, it just seems to me it— wrong problem here? well, no, it just seems to me it all- g "tiftifi’ well, no, it just seems to me it all seems wery— just seems to me it all seems wery tneetert— just seems to me it all seems wery tneetert .— just seems to me it all seems very kneejerk . and my very kneejerk. and my frustration _ very kneejerk. and my frustration with all of this is tnat— frustration with all of this is tnat we — frustration with all of this is that we knew— frustration with all of this is that we knew we knew the towernnent— that we knew we knew the government knew about this. the tone— government knew about this. the tone orttoe— government knew about this. the home office knew— government knew about this. the home office knew about this twee— home office knew about this tree years— home office knew about this three years ago— home office knew about this three years ago when the numbers a tot— three years ago when the numbers a tot toss— three years ago when the numbers were a lot less than— three years ago when the numbers were a lot less than they are ant— were a lot less than they are now, and they've— were a lot less than they are now, and they've grown exponentially- now, and they've grown exponentially over the last tnree— exponentially over the last tnreeyeas— exponentially over the last three years. and that was always going— three years. and that was always totnt to— three years. and that was always totnt to te— three years. and that was always totnt to to tne— three years. and that was always going to be the case. and i tntnt— going to be the case. and i tntnt tte— going to be the case. and i think the projections for this year—

think the projections for this year on— think the projections for this year on channel— think the projections for this year on channel crossings are 90.000.— year on channel crossings are 90.000- t— year on channel crossings are 90,000. i mean,— year on channel crossings are 90,000. i mean, we're talking atout— 90,000. i mean, we're talking atout tne— 90,000. i mean, we're talking about the size— 90,000. i mean, we're talking about the size of— 90,000. i mean, we're talking about the size of wembley stattun — about the size of wembley stattun on— about the size of wembley stadium on top— about the size of wembley stadium on top of the number ttat— stadium on top of the number tnat rosset— stadium on top of the number that crossed last— stadium on top of the number that crossed last year. so it's rust— that crossed last year. so it's tust tetttnt— that crossed last year. so it's just getting bigger and bigger east— just getting bigger and bigger eaen year.— just getting bigger and bigger each year. and,— just getting bigger and bigger each year. and, you know, barges in each year. and, you know, barges tn tte— each year. and, you know, barges tn tne tntttsn— each year. and, you know, barges in the english channel will not in the engliin channel will not so in the english channel will not so sowe— in the english channel will not so solve this— in the english channel will not so solve this us— in the english channel will not so solve this us processing is tnportant— so solve this us processing is tnponant. tut— so solve this us processing is important, but that needs to be spot— important, but that needs to be spot up— important, but that needs to be spot up so— important, but that needs to be spot up so must— important, but that needs to be sped up so much more quickly . sped up so much more quickly. nut— sped up so much more quickly. put tt-s— sped up so much more quickly. put tt-s too— sped up so much more quickly. but it's too all— sped up so much more quickly. but it's too all little, too tate— but it's too all little, too tate as— but it's too all little, too tate as tar— but it's too all little, too late as far as— but it's too all little, too late as far as i'm concerned . late as far as i'm concerned. nut— late as far as i'm concerned. out you— late as far as i'm concerned. out you sat— late as far as i'm concerned. but you said earlier- late as far as i'm concerned. but you said earlier that the issue is about planning. well, instead of planning the space, if we planned to improve processing rates , then there processing rates, then there might be some light at the end of the tunnel. but the problem is sitting at is we're almost sitting at creating situation that could creating a situation that could go on forever if all we're doing is making a bigger backlog, finding more for space that backlog. it's like when you buy a bigger at you you a bigger bin at home, you you spend time fill you spend more time to fill it. you get a bigger tank, the goldfish grows , you just get more grows, you just get more capacity. you find a way of filling capacity. yes, capacity. you find a way of filling capacity . yes, no, filling the capacity. yes, no, i agree. and i said— �*" ll 3 ii eat yes, no, i agree. and i said earlier, it's atout— agree. and i said earlier, it's about planning.— agree. and i said earlier, it's about planning. none of this is

being— about planning. none of this is tetnt ptannet— about planning. none of this is being planned. we kind of seem to te— being planned. we kind of seem to to onastnt— being planned. we kind of seem to be chasing after— being planned. we kind of seem to be chasing after the horse attor— to be chasing after the horse atter tt-s— to be chasing after the horse after it's bolted— to be chasing after the horse after it's bolted and yes, in terms— after it's bolted and yes, in terms ot— after it's bolted and yes, in terms of numbers coming over, it's terms of numbers coming over, tt-s soooo— terms of numbers coming over, it's 50,000 last— terms of numbers coming over, it's 50,000 last year, i think 90.000— it's 50,000 last year, i think stoooo ttts— it's 50,000 last year, i think 90,000 this year. - it's 50,000 last year, i think 90,000 this year. i talked about net 90,000 this year. i talked about not nttratton— 90,000 this year. i talked about net migration, the— 90,000 this year. i talked about net migration, the total net nttratton— net migration, the total net nttratton tn— net migration, the total net migration in half a million. now tnat— migration in half a million. now that obviously— migration in half a million. now that obviously is— migration in half a million. now that obviously is not all onannet— that obviously is not all channel crossings, but that's all channel crossings, but that's an part— channel crossings, but that's an part ot— channel crossings, but that's all part of the— channel crossings, but that's all part of the artificial increase in— all part of the artificial increase in the population of ttts— increase in the population of we country.— increase in the population of this country. it's— increase in the population of this country. it's not organic trowtn— this country. it's not organic prowtn wten— this country. it's not organic growth when you've got organic trowtn — growth when you've got organic trowtn tn— growth when you've got organic prowtn tn a— growth when you've got organic growth in a country, you can ptan— growth in a country, you can ptan tor— growth in a country, you can ptan tor rt.— growth in a country, you can plan for it. when— growth in a country, you can plan for it. when you have arttttotat— plan for it. when you have artificial growth, it's very ttttteutt— artificial growth, it's very difficult to _ artificial growth, it's very difficult to plan because you ton-t— difficult to plan because you ton-t tnow— difficult to plan because you don't know what— difficult to plan because you don't know what the real numbers will don't know what the real numbers th te— don't know what the real numbers th to year— don't know what the real numbers th to year on— don't know what the real numbers will be year on year.— don't know what the real numbers will be year on year. and taking tnat— will be year on year. and taking tnat tatt— will be year on year. and taking tnat tan a— will be year on year. and taking that half a million— will be year on year. and taking that half a million last year, not— that half a million last year, net migration— that half a million last year, net migration ,_ that half a million last year, net migration , i— that half a million last year, net migration , i mean, in ten net migration, i mean, in ten years— net migration, i mean, in ten years tnat-s— net migration, i mean, in ten years, that's what— net migration, i mean, in ten years, that's what that's that's going— years, that's what that's that's totnt to— years, that's what that's that's totnt to te— years, that's what that's that's totnt to to s— years, that's what that's that's going to be 5 million. okay sean— going to be 5 million. okay sean tet— going to be 5 million. okay sean, let me— going to be 5 million. okay sean, let me bring in let me ttnt— sean, let me bring in let me trtnt tn— sean, let me bring in let me bring in peter— sean, let me bring in let me bring in peter on— sean, let me bring in let me bring in peter on this. 89% of tne— bring in peter on this. 89% of to totat— bring in peter on this. 89% of the total population of this country. — the total population of this country. yeah,— the total population of this country. yeah, i- the total population of this country. / country. yeah, i mean, infrastructure is always an important topic that needs to be brought up all the time when we're at figures. we're looking at these figures. let's peter this let's bring in peter on this that when it comes to the way in

which we're dealing dealing with this going to this problem, if it's going to be of coming up with a be an issue of coming up with a solution that really solve solution that won't really solve anything, risk that solution that won't really solve anytis 1g, risk that solution that won't really solve anytis just risk that solution that won't really solve anytis just a risk that solution that won't really solve anytis just a policy risk that solution that won't really solve anytis just a policy ristolicy this is just a policy for policy sake to make the government look good? ithink sake to make the government look good? i think there is definitely— good? i think there is definitely an- 33“ i think there is definitely an element of that. they— definitely an element of that. ttey-tave— definitely an element of that. they have gimmicky feel they just have a gimmicky feel to-we— they just have a gimmicky feel to-we to.— they just have a gimmicky feel to-we do. this-the. to it. but we do. this is the ttnt— to it. but we do. this is the tntntlnawe— to it. but we do. this is the thing. have house these thing. we have to house these peopte— thing. we have to house these people somewhere that's that's tnere-s— people somewhere that's that's tnere-s-way— people somewhere that's that's there's way arguing people somewhere that's that's thewhether way arguing people somewhere that's that's thewhether this way arguing people somewhere that's that's thewhether this isay arguing people somewhere that's that's thewhether this is going rguing people somewhere that's that's thewhether this is going toting it. whether this is going to wort.— it. whether this is going to wort. tn— it. whether this is going to work, i'm not— it. whether this is going to work, i'm not so- it. whether this is going to work, i'm not so sure what i ttnt— work, i'm not so sure what i find interesting— work, i'm not so sure what i find interesting is we've not teen— find interesting is we've not teen-tow— find interesting is we've not been-how much- find interesting is we've not been how much this is going been told how much this is going to cost. — been told how much this is going to cost. tne— been told how much this is going to cost. the home— been told how much this is going to cost. the home said to cost. the home office said tt-s— to cost. the home office said it's significantly— to cost. the home office said it's significantly than it's significantly cheaper than the it's significantly cheaper than tne-tor— it's significantly cheaper than tne-tortne- it's significantly cheaper than the -for the hotel. the 6 million for the hotel ttt— the 6 million for the hotel ttttlttey-we- the 6 million for the hotel bill, they've not actually bill, but they've not actually reteaset— bill, but they've not actually released numbers about how released the numbers about how muon— released the numbers about how nuon ttts— released the numbers about how much this boat— released the numbers about how much this boat going to cost much this boat is going to cost or, much this boat is going to cost on—statttnti or, you know, actually staffing it or, you know, actually staffing tt ant— or, you know, actually staffing tt ant att— or, you know, actually staffing it and all the— or, you know, actually staffing it and all the rest— or, you know, actually staffing it and all the rest of it and at— it and all the rest of it and all-additional- it and all the rest of it and all additional that all the additional costs that atways— all the additional costs that aways-.— all the additional costs that atways-. so- all the additional costs that always . so that's always escalate. so that's tnat-s— always escalate. so that's was one— always escalate. so that's that's one thing i'm going to keep— that's one thing i'm going to keep-eye— that's one thing i'm going to teep-eye on— that's one thing i'm going to. keep .eye on -c0mes that's one thing i'm going to- keep .eye on -c0mes to keep my eye on when it comes to ttts— keep my eye on when it comes to we story. — keep my eye on when it comes to we story. t— keep my eye on when it comes to this story. i don't— keep my eye on when it comes to this story. i don't really understand— this story. i don't really understand jenrick this story. i don't really- understand -jenrick point this story. i don't really- undersheid-jenrick point this story. i don't really undershe thinks jenrick point this story. i don't really undershe thinks this nrick point this story. i don't really undershe thinks this is ck point this story. i don't really undershe thinks this is going nt this story. i don't really undershe thinks this is going to where he thinks this is going to be where he thinks this is going to to some— where he thinks this is going to to ttnt— where he thinks this is going to be some kind of— where he thinks this is going to be some kind of deterrent. i tntnt— be some kind of deterrent. i tntnt-tust— be some kind of deterrent. i think-just rather- think that's just rather etutentnt— think that's just rather clutching-ifi think that's just rather. clutching-if i'm clutching at straws. if i'm being— clutching at straws. if i'm being-honest.- clutching at straws. if i'm being honest. but i being brutally honest. but i do. i being brutally honest. but i do. t—potntsl being brutally honest. but i do. t-ty—potntsl being brutally honest. but i do. i-by-theselpointsl being brutally honest. but i do.- i-by-these gentlemen. made by both of these gentlemen. i made by both of these gentlemen. t tntnt— made by both of these gentlemen. t tntnt tne— made by both of these gentlemen. i think the home— made by both of these gentlemen. i think the home office has been so stow— i think the home office has been so stowlreaet— i think the home office has been so slow-react to _ i think the home office has been so slow-react to this- so slow to react to this issue.

tt-s— so slow to react to this issue. tt-s-you— so slow to react to this issue. tt-s-you sart— so slow to react to this issue. it's-you said about- so slow to react to this issue. it's you said about three it's like, you said about three years— it's like, you said about three years 690t— it's like, you said about three years ago, people banging years ago, people were banging on-otttee— years ago, people were banging on-office-sayingl on the home office door saying ttts— on the home office door saying ttts-to— on the home office door saying ttts-to te— on the home office door saying ttts-to to a- on the home office door saying this to be a problem. this is going to be a problem. ant—weren-t- and they simply weren't ttstentnt. — and they simply weren't listening. -i- and they simply weren't listening. i do and they simply weren't- listening.-i do agree listening. and i do i do agree tnat—nas- listening. and i do i do agree ttat—nas to- listening. and i do i do agree that—has to be- listening. and i do i do agree. that—has to be done. that something has to be done. nut— that something has to be done. nut-protten— that something has to be done. but-problemlwith- that something has to be done. but problem with so slow but the problem is with so slow . ewerytntnt— but the problem is with so slow , everything-seems- but the problem is with so slow , everything seems go , everything just seems to go ttroutn— , everything just seems to go through—after- through committee after committee _ through committee after- committee _that and committee and this and that and all committee and this and that and an-ot— committee and this and that and an-ot rt.— committee and this and that and an-ot tt. tt-s— committee and this and that and all-of it. it's like- all the rest of it. it's like tnere-s— all the rest of it. it's like there's now— all the rest of it. it's like there's now we're now at that potnt—neeteti point where action is needed tatter— point where action is needed ratter-tust— point where action is needed rather just talking about rather than just talking about it. -government- it. and the government just seems-talking- it. and the government just. seems-talking-we seems to keep talking and we ton-t— seems to keep talking and we ton-t-tottow- seems to keep talking and we don't follow through. seems to keep talking and we don't �*titiow through. seems to keep talking and we don't rough. seems to keep talking and we don't 't: 1. well, thank you for that. and sean and lars, thank you very much contribution. much for that contribution. well, have well, coming up next, have we lost of real meaning lost sight of the real meaning of easter with christianity in decline in the uk? are we now too focussed on the giving out chocolate? see you shortly chocolate? we'll see you shortly there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help

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the origins of easter as a commemoration of the resurrection of jesus may well be lost on most in england and wales this year. attendances at church have plummeted in recent years, to according the census

2021, just 46% of those in england and wales now identify as christian, down from almost 60% a decade ago, meaning britain is no longer, for the first time, a majority christian nation. but is this a problem or is easter really just about two extra days off and lots of chocolate? well, i'm joined now by dr. gavin ashenden , a former by dr. gavin ashenden, a former chaplain to the late queen elizabeth ii. chaplain to the late queen elizabeth 11. gavin, thank elizabeth 11. and, gavin, thank you joining have you forjoining me. and have you noficed you forjoining me. and have you noticed a decline in numbers or has this been a steady slope ? has this been a steady slope? well, it's been a steady slope se— well, it's been a steady slope tte— well, it's been a steady slope since the second— well, it's been a steady slope since the second world war, but it's since the second world war, but tt-s tot— since the second world war, but tt-s tot wery— since the second world war, but tt-s tot wery tat— since the second world war, but it's got very bad in— since the second world war, but it's got very bad in the last 20 years— it's got very bad in the last 20 years-ne—nan— it's got very bad in the last 20 years. de—man graphically, years. and de—man graphically, we know— years. and de—man graphically, we know what's— years. and de—man graphically, we know what's going to happen in we know what's going to happen tn tne— we know what's going to happen tn nonn— we know what's going to happen tn tte-aa so— we know what's going to happen in the-22. so it's- we know what's going to happen in the 22. so it's rather in the next 22. so it's rather sat— in the next 22. so it's rather sat tnat— in the next 22. so it's rather sad that the _ in the next 22. so it's rather sad that the church of england wtt— sad that the church of england wttt ttsappear— sad that the church of england will disappear quite shortly as nave— will disappear quite shortly as two a— will disappear quite shortly as have a number— will disappear quite shortly as have a number of liberal protestant— have a number of liberal protestant nominations. the good ts tt— protestant nominations. the good ts tt wtt— protestant nominations. the good news is it will leave passionate cnrtsttans— news is it will leave passionate cnrtsttans tn— news is it will leave passionate christians in its— news is it will leave passionate christians in its wake or eastern— christians in its wake or eastern orthodox roman catholics and eastern orthodox roman catholics ant pentecost— eastern orthodox roman catholics and pentecost styles. but i tntnt— and pentecost styles. but i tntnt tne— and pentecost styles. but i think the really— and pentecost styles. but i think the really serious point is think the really serious point ts ttat— think the really serious point is that christianity as a as a way— is that christianity as a as a way ot— is that christianity as a as a way of understanding , finding way of understanding, finding wno— way of understanding, finding wno we— way of understanding, finding who we are and— way of understanding, finding who we are and what we're doing

tore.— who we are and what we're doing tore. ts— who we are and what we're doing nere. ts potnt— who we are and what we're doing nere. ts totnt to— who we are and what we're doing here, is going to be— who we are and what we're doing here, is going to be loses grip on tne— here, is going to be loses grip on to putte— here, is going to be loses grip on the public and— here, is going to be loses grip on the public and political imagination— on the public and political imagination .— on the public and political imagination . and i think the imagination. and i think the consequences— imagination. and i think the consequences of— imagination. and i think the consequences of that will be tutte— consequences of that will be quite serious.— consequences of that will be quite serious. what consequences will quite serious. what consequences th ttey— quite serious. what consequences th ttey tee— quite serious. what consequences th ttey tee — quite serious. what consequences will they be? i will they be? because i know i mean, watched lots of mean, i've watched lots of lectures the issue of where lectures on the issue of where morality comes whether morality comes from and whether it from or not. it comes from religion or not. well, guess you nearly well, i guess if you have nearly 40% the population, the 40% of the population, the clearing to have no religion and not population going not 40% of the population going out people, we out killing people, we can presume morals are still presume that morals are still taught somewhere in our society. so how bad will this get is my question. well, so how bad will this get is my question . well, it's 1 so how bad will this get is my question . well, it's i wouldn't question. well, it's i wouldn't trean— question. well, it's i wouldn't trean ot— question. well, it's i wouldn't dream of saying— question. well, it's i wouldn't dream of saying that- : well, it's i wouldn't dream of saying that people who are dream of saying that people who not— dream of saying that people who are not christians— dream of saying that people who are not christians don't have rnorast— are not christians don't have noratslt— are not christians don't have moralsii-morals- are not christians don't have morals i morals before morals. i had morals before i came a christian.— morals. i had morals before i came a christian. i wouldn't came a christian. iwouldn't ttss— came a christian. iwouldn't ttss nysett— came a christian. iwouldn't diss myself. then but i think tne— diss myself. then but i think the difference— diss myself. then but i think the difference is— diss myself. then but i think the difference is that christian nanntty— the difference is that christian hannity understands human beings as sacred rather— hannity understands human beings as sacred rather than dispensable. and so if the whole ot— dispensable. and so if the whole issues of abortion— dispensable. and so if the whole issues of abortion and euthanasia— issues of abortion and euthanasia are very seriously tnpaotet— euthanasia are very seriously tnpaotet ty— euthanasia are very seriously impacted by whether or not you tntnt— impacted by whether or not you tntnt peopte— impacted by whether or not you think people are— impacted by whether or not you think people are made in the tnate— think people are made in the tnate ot— think people are made in the tnage ot sot— think people are made in the image of god or— think people are made in the image of god or whether they can be image of god or whether they can to wettnet— image of god or whether they can to wetgnet up— image of god or whether they can be weighed up terms of their be weighed up in terms of their tner— be weighed up in terms of their their economic— be weighed up in terms of their their economic and social tunottons— their economic and social functions, that's a huge difference— functions, that's a huge difference -tol functions, that's a huge-

difference -to islam is difference, i think, to islam is going— difference, i think, to islam is totnt to— difference, i think, to islam is totnt to te— difference, i think, to islam is totnt to to tne— difference, i think, to islam is going to be the dominant retttton— going to be the dominant retttton tn— going to be the dominant religion in 2050. and as i look at sautt— religion in 2050. and as i look at saudi arabia— religion in 2050. and as i look at saudi arabia and pakistan , i at saudi arabia and pakistan, 1 see at saudi arabia and pakistan, 1 a outture— at saudi arabia and pakistan, 1 see a culture that— at saudi arabia and pakistan, 1 see a culture that i don't think is see a culture that i don't think ts as— see a culture that i don't think ts as non— see a culture that i don't think is as rich and— see a culture that i don't think is as rich and free— see a culture that i don't think is as rich and free as ours. see a culture that i don't think is as rich and free as ours . and is as rich and free as ours. and so t— is as rich and free as ours. and so t tttnt— is as rich and free as ours. and so t tntnt t— is as rich and free as ours. and so i think i look— is as rich and free as ours. and so i think i look at— is as rich and free as ours. and so i think i look at north korea as an exanpte— so i think i look at north korea as an example of— so i think i look at north korea as an example of an unmitigated seuatsrnt — as an example of an unmitigated secularism. and— as an example of an unmitigated secularism. and again, i think cnnsttantty— secularism. and again, i think christianity has— secularism. and again, i think christianity has a— secularism. and again, i think christianity has a great deal to— christianity has a great deal more to offer.— christianity has a great deal more to offer. i— christianity has a great deal more to offer. i think people ton— more to offer. i think people tom holland— more to offer. i think people tom holland in— more to offer. i think people tom holland in his book, in his reent— tom holland in his book, in his reent toot— tom holland in his book, in his recent book dominion , has recent book dominion, has eoptatnet— recent book dominion, has explained how— recent book dominion, has explained how we're we're kind of explained how we're we're kind ot eresttnt— explained how we're we're kind ot oresttnt on— explained how we're we're kind of cresting on the— explained how we're we're kind of cresting on the surf of a cnrtsttan— of cresting on the surf of a christian heritage. we've taken for christian heritage. we've taken tor trantet— christian heritage. we've taken tor grantet .— christian heritage. we've taken for granted , you— christian heritage. we've taken for granted , you know, for granted, you know, humanism's- for granted, you know, humanism's a post christians, a lot humanism's a post christians, a tot ot— humanism's a post christians, a tot ot tner— humanism's a post christians, a lot of their values— humanism's a post christians, a lot of their values are taken tron— lot of their values are taken tron tne— lot of their values are taken from the christian story, but wttn— from the christian story, but wttn tott— from the christian story, but with both wokery on one side and tstan— with both wokery on one side and tstan on— with both wokery on one side and tstan on tte— with both wokery on one side and islam on the other— with both wokery on one side and islam on the other having very tttterent— islam on the other having very different values— islam on the other having very different values indeed , i think different values indeed, i think wett— different values indeed, i think we-n nose— different values indeed, i think we'll lose some— different values indeed, i think we'll lose some things we reatty— we'll lose some things we reany. reatty— we'll lose some things we really, really matter to us in ttterat— really, really matter to us in our liberal society today. so stats— our liberal society today. so our stats just— our liberal society today. so our stats just look at attendance- our stats just look at attendance and are we making a teap— attendance and are we making a teap to— attendance and are we making a teap to 90— attendance and are we making a teap to to non— attendance and are we making a leap to go from attend a church to wnere— leap to go from attend a church to where we've— leap to go from attend a church to where we've now discussed atout— to where we've now discussed atout tow— to where we've now discussed atout now we— to where we've now discussed about how we might lose some of

ttose— about how we might lose some of ttose wauest— about how we might lose some of those values ? _ about how we might lose some of those values ? iii; about how we might lose some of those values ? those values? maybe we've just changed as a people. i mean, some people don't even turn up to their workplace, so maybe attendance shouldn't be the right well , right metric. erg well, attendance is a metric. i mean, you're right. attendance is a metric. i mean, youre rtgnt. or— attendance is a metric. i mean, you're right. of course,- i mean, you're right. of course, one of tne— you're right. of course, one of to reasons— you're right. of course, one of the reasons why— you're right. of course, one of the reasons why attendance isn't tsn-t— the reasons why attendance isn't put a— the reasons why attendance isn't put a nette— the reasons why attendance isn't isn't a metric is— the reasons why attendance isn't isn't a metric is partly because tnstttuttons— isn't a metric is partly because institutions, christianity has teen— institutions, christianity has teen-tnstptt- institutions, christianity has been-insipid .- institutions, christianity has been insipid . and so just been rather insipid. and so just turntnt— been rather insipid. and so just turning-doesn't— been rather insipid. and so just turning doesn't actually turning up doesn't actually transtate— turning up doesn't actually translate into _ turning up doesn't actually translate into life of faith, translate into a life of faith, torptweness— translate into a life of faith, forgiveness, hope and ever teepentnt— forgiveness, hope and ever deepening value in real life. pm.— deepening value in real life. urn so— deepening value in real life. pm, so you— deepening value in real life. um, so you're right it attendance- um, so you're right it attendance by itself doesn't matter. — attendance by itself doesn't matter. nut— attendance by itself doesn't matter. but if— attendance by itself doesn't matter. but if you look at the anetent— matter. but if you look at the ancient christian— matter. but if you look at the ancient christian world, if you toot— ancient christian world, if you toot at.— ancient christian world, if you toot at. tor— ancient christian world, if you look at, for example, the whole of look at, for example, the whole ot nonn— look at, for example, the whole of north africa— look at, for example, the whole of north africa was christian in a wery— of north africa was christian in awery wttrant— of north africa was christian in a very vibrant and— of north africa was christian in a very vibrant and flourishing cnrtsttan— a very vibrant and flourishing christian _the. christian community in the tourn— christian community in the fourth,-sixth- fourth, fifth and sixth centuries,— fourth, fifth and sixth centuries, out centuries, it died out oonptetety- centuries, it died out completely albie the areas where cnrtsttantty— completely albie the areas where christianity flourished and has stnpty— christianity flourished and has stnpty nee— christianity flourished and has simply never reappear. christianity flourished and has simply never reappear . and the simply never reappear. and the sad simply never reappear. and the sat tntnt— simply never reappear. and the sat tntnt tor— simply never reappear. and the sad thing for europe is this tsn-t— sad thing for europe is this tsn-t rust— sad thing for europe is this tsn-t tust an— sad thing for europe is this isn't just an english or a or a nrtttsn— isn't just an english or a or a british question.— isn't just an english or a or a british question. christian is ttsappeannt— british question. christian is disappearing throughout in turope— disappearing throughout in turope. tts— disappearing throughout in europe. it's growing in russia, it's europe. it's growing in russia, tt-s growtnt— europe. it's growing in russia, tt-s growtnt tn— europe. it's growing in russia, it's growing in china, it's growtnt—

it's growing in china, it's growtnt tn— it's growing in china, it's growing in africa. and all the wauest— growing in africa. and all the wauest ot— growing in africa. and all the values of christianity, particularly- values of christianity, particularly free speech, free ttouttt— particularly free speech, free tnoutnt. tne— particularly free speech, free thought, the sacredness of human tent.— thought, the sacredness of human beingt tnoso— thought, the sacredness of human being, these other— thought, the sacredness of human being, these other societies wtt— being, these other societies will celebrate _ being, these other societies will celebrate them. what will we nave— will celebrate them. what will we have instead— will celebrate them. what will we have instead in this vacuum for we have instead in this vacuum tor watt— we have instead in this vacuum tor watt ant— we have instead in this vacuum for wait and see?— we have instead in this vacuum for wait and see? and i don't tntnt— for wait and see? and i don't tntnt tt-n— for wait and see? and i don't think it'll be— for wait and see? and i don't think it'll be as— for wait and see? and i don't think it'll be as good and tetore— think it'll be as good and tetore we— think it'll be as good and before we bring in peter on ttts— before we bring in peter on ttts twe— before we bring in peter on this, i've just— before we bring in peter on this, i've just it's just dawned on no wny— this, i've just it's just dawned on no wny ts— this, i've just it's just dawned on me why is it— this, i've just it's just dawned on me why is it dying out? taupe— on me why is it dying out? because surely— on me why is it dying out? because surely it's- on me why is it dying out? because surely it's trying to promote itself. i mean, if there's one thing religions are normally quite good is normally quite good at is mentioning it to other people normally quite good at is men saying, it to other people normally quite good at is men saying, it to tyour people normally quite good at is men saying, it to tyou thought of and saying, have you thought of trying presuming trying this? so i'm presuming you're recruit you're trying to recruit probably the wrong word . so why probably the wrong word. so why is failing? yeah, that's is it failing? yeah, that's a tnat-s— is it failing? yeah, that's a was a— is it failing? yeah, that's a was a wery— is it failing? yeah, that's a that's a very good- e l "cd? yeah, that's a that's a very good question. we cnrtsttans— that's a very good question. we christians haven't— that's a very good question. we christians haven't been we've teen— christians haven't been we've been battered— christians haven't been we've been battered by— christians haven't been we've been battered by all kinds of tttnts— been battered by all kinds of tntnts tn— been battered by all kinds of tntnts tn tne— been battered by all kinds of things in the darwin was was ttttteutt— things in the darwin was was ttttteutt to — things in the darwin was was difficult to manage to begin wttn— difficult to manage to begin with because— difficult to manage to begin with because people had a sort of mechanical— with because people had a sort of mechanical western view of reattnt— of mechanical western view of reattnt tne— of mechanical western view of reading the bible. they didn't unterstant— reading the bible. they didn't understand the,— reading the bible. they didn't understand the, the depth of nytn— understand the, the depth of nytn attor— understand the, the depth of myth after darwin, the whole game— myth after darwin, the whole game technology and the state steppet— game technology and the state steppet tn— game technology and the state steppet tn ant— game technology and the state stepped in and took over a lot of stepped in and took over a lot ot tne— stepped in and took over a lot of the charitable— stepped in and took over a lot of the charitable work of the enuron— of the charitable work of the onuron ant— of the charitable work of the church and the— of the charitable work of the church and the liberal intellect

. tonotars— church and the liberal intellect . scholars told _ church and the liberal intellect . scholars told us— church and the liberal intellect . scholars told us the bible wasnt— . scholars told us the bible wasnt true— . scholars told us the bible wasnt true .— . scholars told us the bible wasn't true . they've changed wasn't true. they've changed ttetr— wasn't true. they've changed tnetr ntnts— wasn't true. they've changed their minds recently, but for 50 years— their minds recently, but for 50 years peopte— their minds recently, but for 50 years people worried whether tney— years people worried whether ttey ooutt— years people worried whether they could trust— years people worried whether they could trust the bible. the ant— they could trust the bible. the ttrst nott— they could trust the bible. the first world war— they could trust the bible. the first world war was huge first world war was a huge snoot. — first world war was a huge shock. people _ first world war was a huge shock. people wondered why god tttn-t— shock. people wondered why god didn't—ourselves.- didn't save us from ourselves. tten— didn't save us from ourselves. tten-sertes- didn't save us from ourselves.| then-serieslthings. then a whole series of things. tut— then a whole series of things. tut one— then a whole series of things. tut ot— then a whole series of things. but one of the— then a whole series of things. but one of the things i think we outtt— but one of the things i think we outnt to— but one of the things i think we ought to consider— but one of the things i think we ought to consider is what are tte— ought to consider is what are to wauest— ought to consider is what are the values that— ought to consider is what are the values that christianity trtnts— the values that christianity trtnts to— the values that christianity tunes to a— the values that christianity brings to a society and what nappens— brings to a society and what nappens wten— brings to a society and what happens when they disappear ? happens when they disappear? wean. — happens when they disappear? vean. okay.— happens when they disappear? yeah. okay. let's— happens when they disappear? yeah. g i happens when they disappear? yeah. g " yeah. okay. let's bring in peter peter barnes on this with this story comes around every so often, i suppose. but hearing it now, have a sense of doom now, do you have a sense of doom about heading? about where we're heading? you know, that graph know, you extrapolate that graph and in the future and at some point in the future there'll be three christians left. to admit, it left. yeah i have to admit, it is left. yeah i have to admit, it ts—a— left. yeah i have to admit, it ts—a-ot- left. yeah i have to admit, it- is-a-of clockwork. is somewhat a kind of clockwork. ewery—ttnt- is somewhat a kind of clockwork. ewery—ttnt ot- every time this story kind of crops— every time this story kind of crops-atte- every time this story kind of crops-like you- every time this story kind of crops like you said, crops up. but like you said, ttts— crops up. but like you said, ttts-teen— crops up. but like you said, this-been-timel crops up. but like you said,- this-been-time coming this has been a long time coming and this has been a long time coming ant-snttttnt— this has been a long time coming and shifting demographics. and it's shifting demographics. ant— and it's shifting demographics. ant-agree— and it's shifting demographics. and-agree that— and it's shifting demographics. and agree that it'd be very and i do agree that it'd be very tnteresttnt— and i do agree that it'd be very interesting when— and i do agree that it'd be very interesting when we talk about the interesting when we talk about to wauest— interesting when we talk about to wauest tn— interesting when we talk about the values in our— interesting when we talk about the values in our society. what i the values in our society. what t ttnt— the values in our society. what i find interesting— the values in our society. what i find interesting from the pottttoat— i find interesting from the political-and- i find interesting from the political and doctor political aspect and doctor asnton— political aspect and doctori asnton—tt political aspect and doctor- asnton—tt ts ashton lightly touched on it is were—tatt- ashton lightly touched on it is we're—talk more. we're starting to talk more atout—tn- about moral issues in our pottttos— about moral issues in our politics, things- about moral issues in our politics, things abortion , politics, things like abortion, tntnts— politics, things like abortion, things euthanasia. and things like euthanasia. and i ttnt— things like euthanasia. and i ttntlexpeot— things like euthanasia. and i kind-expect-the- things like euthanasia. and i kind expect the church kind of expect that the church of kind of expect that the church ot-ant— kind of expect that the church ot-ant att— kind of expect that the church. of-and all-religions

of england and all the religions to-stepptnt— of england and all the religions to-stepping-little- to start stepping up a little bit to start stepping up a little ttt-nattnt- to start stepping up a little bit making their bit and start making their optntons— bit and start making their opinions issues bit and start making their- opinions-issues heard bit and start making their- opiouris-issues heard bit and start making their opiour politics issues heard bit and start making their opiour politics weirdly es heard bit and start making their opiour politics weirdly shifts rd as our politics weirdly shifts tnto— as our politics weirdly shifts tnto tnoso— as our politics weirdly shifts into these issues politically, we ton-t— into these issues politically, we don't normally talk about ttts— we don't normally talk about we ttnt— we don't normally talk about we ttnt ot— we don't normally talk about this kind of stuff. we're not tnat.— this kind of stuff. we're not tnat. were— this kind of stuff. we're not that. we're not— this kind of stuff. we're not that. we're not america, for eaanpte— that. we're not america, for eapeour-r- that. we're not america, for example. our politics example. but as our politics moves-issues, i- example. but as our politics. moves-issues, i expect moves to these issues, i expect tne— moves to these issues, i expect to enuron— moves to these issues, i expect to onuron to— moves to these issues, i expect the church to actually start playing— the church to actually start ptaytnt a— the church to actually start playing a little— the church to actually start playing a little bit more of a rote— playing a little bit more of a rote tn— playing a little bit more of a rote tn our— playing a little bit more of a role in our politics in in these ttnts— role in our politics in in these ttnts ot— role in our politics in in these kinds of debates.— role in our politics in in these kinds of debates. so i mean, anertea— kinds of debates. so i mean, anetta-to— kinds of debates. so i mean, america-to do- kinds of debates. so i mean, america to do well america seems to do well statistically _ america seems to do well statistically in— america seems to do well statistically in terms of how many— statistically in terms of how many peopte— statistically in terms of how many people still claim to be rettttous. — many people still claim to be religious. so,— many people still claim to be religious. cat " religious. so, gavin, do you think we should be more like america get america in this regard? get religion involved politics religion involved in politics and around ? no. well, and stirred around? no. well, well, yes and stirred around? no. well, wen. yes ant— and stirred around? no. well, well, yes and no. _ and stirred around? no. well, well, yes and no. i— rit�*t: ”tit: 3“ no. well, well, yes and no. i don't ritit: ”tit: 3“ no. well, well, yes and no. i don't like tne— well, yes and no. i don't like to way— well, yes and no. i don't like to way tne— well, yes and no. i don't like the way the americans do it. and tnteet— the way the americans do it. and tnteet. tte— the way the americans do it. and indeed, the americans have auset— indeed, the americans have caused immense indeed, the americans have caused-immense over caused us immense trouble over the caused us immense trouble over tne—atortton- the buffer zone for abortion ottntos— the buffer zone for abortion clinics,_the. clinics, for example. the aettwtsts— clinics, for example. the activists over— clinics, for example. the activists over there have come ant— activists over there have come over and assumed— activists over there have come over and assumed that that conscience works in the same way in conscience works in the same way -nas— conscience works in the same way tn-as-tn— in britain as it does in anertea— in britain as it does in america. we're america. and it doesn't. we're muon— america. and it doesn't. we're mutt-tente— america. and it doesn't. we're much - gentle and - america. and it doesn't. we're much gentle and civil to much more gentle and civil to anotter— much more gentle and civil to one another than— much more gentle and civil to one another than they are in anertoa— one another than they are in america however, um, there are america. however, um, there are i america. however, um, there are t mean— america. however, um, there are t you— america. however, um, there are t you know.— america. however, um, there are i mean, you know, you're quite ntnt— i mean, you know, you're quite rtgnt. sone— i mean, you know, you're quite rtgnt. sone ot— i mean, you know, you're quite right. some of the— i mean, you know, you're quite right. some of the issues are enornousty— right. some of the issues are enormously important. like the tanny— enormously important. like the tanny. tor— enormously important. like the family, for example, know in

family, for example, i know in anertea— family, for example, i know in america-kind- family, for example, i know in america-kind of- family, for example, i know in america kind of cliche to america it's a kind of cliche to say,— america it's a kind of cliche to saw-r— america it's a kind of cliche to say- wen. — america it's a kind of cliche to say- wen. tne- america it's a kind of cliche to say, , well, the family is say, yeah, well, the family is just— say, yeah, well, the family is tust-wtnt— say, yeah, well, the family is rust-wtnt tntnt- say, yeah, well, the family is just wing thing and the just a right wing thing and the state— just a right wing thing and the state-tte— just a right wing thing and the state -the left— just a right wing thing and the state the left wing state loves the left wing thing. but state loves the left wing thing. tut tut.— state loves the left wing thing. tut tut. tut— state loves the left wing thing. but but, but families are what state loves the left wing thing. but [people families are what state loves the left wing thing. but [people together are what state loves the left wing thing. but [people together in; what state loves the left wing thing. but [people together in mutual glue people together in mutual accountability— glue people together in mutual accountability you bring accountability. you bring up ontttren— accountability. you bring up children-stable- accountability. you bring up children stable families children without stable families and children without stable families ant statte— children without stable families and stable biological parents. ant— and stable biological parents. ant you— and stable biological parents. ant you you— and stable biological parents. ant you you get— and stable biological parents. and you you get no end of social tttttoutttes— and you you get no end of social difficulties and— and you you get no end of social difficulties and economic consequences— difficulties and economic consequences and instability and so one ot— consequences and instability and so on. one of the— consequences and instability and so on. one of the things, wnetner— so on. one of the things, whether you— so on. one of the things, whether you whether you're a tottewer— whether you whether you're a tottewer or— whether you whether you're a believer or not,— whether you whether you're a believer or not, one of the tttnts— believer or not, one of the tntnts toot— believer or not, one of the things good religion does is to protuoe— things good religion does is to produce stable— things good religion does is to produce stable stability , good produce stable stability, good norattty— produce stable stability, good morality accountability morality and hiin accountability morality and high accountability . see.— morality and high accountability . see. tnoso— morality and high accountability . see, those are— morality and high accountability . see, those are really worth nawtnt— . see, those are really worth nawtnt tn— . see, those are really worth having in this— . see, those are really worth having in this society. and i tttnt— having in this society. and i tntnt t— having in this society. and i think i think— having in this society. and i think i think we're beginning to regret—discover- think i think we're beginning to regret discover that regret them as we discover that the regret them as we discover that tte-.— regret them as we discover that tne-. tte— regret them as we discover that the-. the slipshod- the kind of. the slipshod attttute— the kind of. the slipshod attitude to _ the kind of. the slipshod attitude to people as as replaceable— attitude to people as as replaceable is, is very, you know.— replaceable is, is very, you know. tat— replaceable is, is very, you know, bad for— replaceable is, is very, you know, bad for human morale and bad know, bad for human morale and tat tor— know, bad for human morale and bad for society. _ know, bad for human morale and bad for society. do— know, bad for human morale and bad for society. do you think we stttt— bad for society. do you think we can still somehow— bad for society. do you think we can still somehow have all of tne— can still somehow have all of to wauest— can still somehow have all of the values that— can still somehow have all of the values that you just spoke of the values that you just spoke ot wttnout— the values that you just spoke of without necessarily having ttat— of without necessarily having that belief? _ of without necessarily having that belief? i that belief? because that's almost the problem to consider yourself religious, you need yourself as religious, you need to the belief and that as to have the belief and that as you rightly being you rightly pointed out, being questioned reasons , questioned for various reasons, people as some people using science as some sort anti religious

sort of anti religious viewpoint, but then the values serve society differently, don't they? we benefit as a society by having those values. so surely we can cling on to them in the same way. i'm sure we'll cling on to time when we give on to a time when we give chocolate each well chocolate to each other. well that's argument, and that's a good argument, and you're right, it has to be you're quite right, it has to be tested. and the answer isn't otwtous— tested. and the answer isn't otwtous. t— tested. and the answer isn't obvious. i don't— : and the answer isn't obvious. i don't think it is at att— obvious. i don't think it is at art. tut— obvious. i don't think it is at art. tut t— obvious. i don't think it is at all. but i only— obvious. i don't think it is at all. but i only know in my own tte— all. but i only know in my own to t— all. but i only know in my own to t-stnpty— all. but i only know in my own life i-simply-that- life i can simply say that tetore— life i can simply say that tetore t— life i can simply say that tetore t-a— life i can simply say that before i a christian, there before i was a christian, there werelwnote— before i was a christian, there werelwhole load— before i was a christian, there were whole load of things were a whole load of things i tttn-t— were a whole load of things i didn't—because. didn't bother with because i was reatty— didn't bother with because i was really—number- didn't bother with because i was really—number one,j really interested in number one, i really interested in number one, t-tust— really interested in number one, i-just concerned— really interested in number one, i just concerned about my i was just concerned about my atte— i was just concerned about my arte-t— i was just concerned about my ttteit-no— i was just concerned about my life-i-no concern- i was just concerned about my life i no concern for life. if i had no concern for atortton— life. if i had no concern for abortion-all,— life. if i had no concern for abortion all, was. and the abortion at all, it was. and the moment— abortion at all, it was. and the moment t— abortion at all, it was. and the moment i began— abortion at all, it was. and the moment i began to even consider the moment i began to even consider to posstttttty— moment i began to even consider the possibility not— moment i began to even consider the possibility not knowing scientifically— the possibility not knowing scientifically when life begins . we ton-t— scientifically when life begins , we don't know— scientifically when life begins , we don't know that. but if it tettns— , we don't know that. but if it tettns at— , we don't know that. but if it begins at conception, then what we've done with— begins at conception, then what we've done with our abortion tntustry— we've done with our abortion tntustry ts— we've done with our abortion industry is simply reprehensible. if it doesn't tettn— reprehensible. if it doesn't tettn at— reprehensible. if it doesn't begin at conception, let's find out wten— begin at conception, let's find out wnen tt— begin at conception, let's find out when it does— begin at conception, let's find out when it does begin. and it's not so— out when it does begin. and it's not so tat— out when it does begin. and it's not so tat .— out when it does begin. and it's not so bad . but— out when it does begin. and it's not so bad . but but it not so bad. but but getting it wrong— not so bad. but but getting it wrong ts— not so bad. but but getting it wrong is really— not so bad. but but getting it wrong is really rather serious. ant— wrong is really rather serious. ant-tn— wrong is really rather serious. and-i'm afraid- wrong is really rather serious. and i'm afraid i've been and i think i'm afraid i've been tnwotwet— and i think i'm afraid i've been involved euthanasia debates involved in euthanasia debates for involved in euthanasia debates tor sone— involved in euthanasia debates tor tne— involved in euthanasia debates for some time now. i personally woutt— for some time now. i personally woutt atte— for some time now. i personally would like-be— for some time now. i personally would like be euthanized. i,

would like to be euthanized. i, i would like to be euthanized. i, t ton-t— would like to be euthanized. i, t ton-t want— would like to be euthanized. i, i don't want painful old age, i don't want a painful old age, tut— i don't want a painful old age, tut t— i don't want a painful old age, tut t-tt-t— i don't want a painful old age, tut t-tt-t te— i don't want a painful old age, but i-it'd be very- i don't want a painful old age, but i it'd be very bad for but i think it'd be very bad for soetety— but i think it'd be very bad for sootety .— but i think it'd be very bad for sootety . t— but i think it'd be very bad for society . i think— but i think it'd be very bad for society . i think think we society. i think i think we woutt— society. i think i think we would find— society. i think i think we would find we— society. i think i think we would find we start treating peopte— would find we start treating peopte as— would find we start treating people as dispensable . all the people as dispensable. all the totter— people as dispensable. all the potter-peopte— people as dispensable. all the belief-people are- people as dispensable. all the belief people are not belief that people are not dispensable— belief that people are not dispensable is— belief that people are not dispensable is much more a cnrtsttan— dispensable is much more a christian than— dispensable is much more a christian than it— dispensable is much more a christian than it is a humanist tt— christian than it is a humanist rt t— christian than it is a humanist rt t was— christian than it is a humanist one. if i was not— christian than it is a humanist one. if i was not a— christian than it is a humanist one. if i was not a christian, i tntnt— one. if i was not a christian, i tntnt t— one. if i was not a christian, i think i would— one. if i was not a christian, i think i would be— one. if i was not a christian, i think i would be quite tempted to-say.— think i would be quite tempted to-say. wett— think i would be quite tempted to-say. wow you- think i would be quite tempted to say, well, you know, think i would be quite tempted to to say, well, you know, think i would be quite tempted to to slipy, well, you know, think i would be quite tempted to to slip it well, you know, think i would be quite tempted to to slip it slip., you know, think i would be quite tempted to to slip it slip away know, think i would be quite tempted to to slip it slip away now., time to slip it slip away now. ant— time to slip it slip away now. ant-tat— time to slip it slip away now. ant-tat a— time to slip it slip away now. and-had a good- time to slip it slip away now. and had a good innings, and you've had a good innings, but and you've had a good innings, tut-you— and you've had a good innings, tut-you tan— and you've had a good innings, but-you can-and- and you've had a good innings, but you can and the but now you can go and the cnrtsttan— but now you can go and the christian beliefs— but now you can go and the christian beliefs are really nutte— christian beliefs are really quite demanding. and if they're true.— quite demanding. and if they're true. ttey— quite demanding. and if they're true. ttey to— quite demanding. and if they're true, they do change the way we treat—ant — true, they do change the way we treat—ant tte- true, they do change the way we treat—and the way- true, they do change the way we treat and the way we treat each other and the way we twe— treat each other and the way we ttwe . — treat each other and the way we ttwe . otay. — treat each other and the way we live . okay. thank— treat each other and the way we live . okay. thank .very. treat each other and the way we. live . okay. thank .very much live. okay. thank you very much for gavin for that. that's dr. gavin ashenden, chaplain to the ashenden, former chaplain to the late queen elizabeth ii. and thank you for joining late queen elizabeth ii. and thank you forjoining me. well, thank you for joining me. well, up next, should king charles pay reparations for slavery .7 we'll reparations for slavery? we'll see you shortly .

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unique take on the world today. then at seven, it's— unique take on the world today. then at seven, it's me,- unique take on the world today. then at seven, it's me, calvin robinson with my common sense crusade. new to gb news. it's the saturday five. five times the saturday five. five times the opinion. join us every saturday from 8 pm. as we debate the week's stories with for us plus a special guest. and at nine, of course, it's menn— and at nine, of course, it's mark dolan. _ and at nine, of course, it's mark dolan. g and at nine, of course, it's mark dolan. nag : and at nine, of course, it's- mark dolan. tonight, brand new saturday nights on gb news, britain's news . channel welcome britain's news. channel welcome back. king charles— britain's news. channel welcome back. king charles has- " " welcome back. king charles has said that he back. king charles has said that ne suspens— back. king charles has said that he supports research into the evenn— he supports research into the british monarchy's historic unve— british monarchy's historic unvs ee— british monarchy's historic links to slavery. have very nonve— links to slavery. have very nente ef— links to slavery. have very noble of him,— links to slavery. have very noble of him, but will it come nsen— noble of him, but will it come been ee— noble of him, but will it come been to nine— noble of him, but will it come back to bite him— noble of him, but will it come back to bite him in his regal vene— back to bite him in his regal nne— back to bite him in his regal rear? the guardian has said that it's rear? the guardian has said that we gene— rear? the guardian has said that we going ee— rear? the guardian has said that it's going to pay— rear? the guardian has said that it's going to pay reparations for-previous— it's going to pay reparations for previous owners links to for its previous owners links to eleven. — for its previous owners links to eleven. .vnene — for its previous owners links to slavery. where does this slavery. but where does this ende— slavery. but where does this enee wnese— slavery. but where does this end? whose responsibility is it? can— end? whose responsibility is it? can ene— end? whose responsibility is it? can nne us— end? whose responsibility is it? can the uk claim— end? whose responsibility is it? can the uk claim money from the vikings— can the uk claim money from the vikingse wen,— can the uk claim money from the vikings? well, i'm— can the uk claim money from the vikings? well, i'm pleased to say— vikings? well, i'm pleased to say ense— vikings? well, i'm pleased to say tnat nn— vikings? well, i'm pleased to say that i'm rejoined by our people-s— say that i'm rejoined by our people's panel.— say that i'm rejoined by our people's panel. this time it's andrew— people's panel. this time it's andrew and— people's panel. this time it's andrew and alan— people's panel. this time it's andrew and alan to discuss this. andrew,— andrew and alan to discuss this. anenev, vet-s— andrew and alan to discuss this. andrew, let's start— andrew and alan to discuss this. andrew, let's start with you . andrew, let's start with you. wnet— andrew, let's start with you. wnee-envnv- andrew, let's start with you. what think about this? what do you think about this? snenve— what do you think about this? should-king— what do you think about this? should king reparations should the king pay reparations as should the king pay reparations

es ves— should the king pay reparations es ves .— should the king pay reparations es ves, .— should the king pay reparations es yes, i de— should the king pay reparations as yes , i do think— should the king pay reparations as yes , i do think he should as yes, i do think he should neeense— as yes, i do think he should because this— as yes, i do think he should because this is,— as yes, i do think he should because this is, you know, a new ne-s nsent— because this is, you know, a new era. he's about to— because this is, you know, a new era. he's about to be,- because this is, you know, a new era. he's about to be, you know , formally have his coronation . , formally have his coronation. and the thing is, is , you know, and the thing is, is, you know, we neve— and the thing is, is, you know, we neve ee— and the thing is, is, you know, we have to make— and the thing is, is, you know, we have to make sure that people are we have to make sure that people nee— we have to make sure that people are not treated— we have to make sure that people are not treated differently. and,— are not treated differently. ann ven— are not treated differently. and, you know,- are not treated differently. and, you know, slavery is not particularly— and, you know, slavery is not nnnvenvnnv e— and, you know, slavery is not particularly a good thing. and the guardian's— particularly a good thing. and the guardian's article did cause me some concerns— the guardian's article did cause me some concerns . as you know, me some concerns. as you know, ene— me some concerns. as you know, nne people— me some concerns. as you know, nne people vee— me some concerns. as you know, the people were treated in a not nnnvenvenv— the people were treated in a not particularly pleasant way . and particularly pleasant way. and obviously— particularly pleasant way. and obviously ve— particularly pleasant way. and obviously we need to put everything— obviously we need to put everything se— obviously we need to put everything to the history books , nne— everything to the history books now , now, but acknowledge the now, now, but acknowledge the past— now, now, but acknowledge the past .— now, now, but acknowledge the past . ven— now, now, but acknowledge the past . ven knew,— now, now, but acknowledge the past . you know, it's things have past. you know, it's things have nappenee— past. you know, it's things have happened and— past. you know, it's things have happened and but— past. you know, it's things have happened and but we need to move ferven— happened and but we need to move forward .— happened and but we need to move forward . ane— happened and but we need to move forward . and in— happened and but we need to move forward . and i'm not— forward. and i'm not particularly- forward. and i'm not particularly i'll admit before the particularly i'll admit before nne queen— particularly i'll admit before the queen, the— particularly i'll admit before the queen, the late queen died , the queen, the late queen died, i the queen, the late queen died, vvesn-e— the queen, the late queen died, i wasn't particularly a fan of census. — i wasn't particularly a fan of camilla. you— i wasn't particularly a fan of camilla. you know, i was very nsen— camilla. you know, i was very nnen e— camilla. you know, i was very nnen a person— camilla. you know, i was very much a person who had a bit of enneenv— much a person who had a bit of ennnnv fen— much a person who had a bit of empathy for princess diana. but se— empathy for princess diana. but ene— empathy for princess diana. but since the queen— empathy for princess diana. but since the queen has died, i have evenn— since the queen has died, i have grown ee— since the queen has died, i have grown so use— since the queen has died, i have grown to like her— since the queen has died, i have grown to like her and the like. nne— grown to like her and the like. nne vev— grown to like her and the like. nne vev nev— grown to like her and the like. the way how charles has taken on the the way how charles has taken on sne neve— the way how charles has taken on sne nose in— the way how charles has taken on sne nose in e— the way how charles has taken on the role in a very— the way how charles has taken on the role in a very ,_ the way how charles has taken on the role in a very , very good the role in a very, very good way.—

the role in a very, very good way. okay— the role in a very, very good way. okay — the role in a very, very good way. okay keeping- the role in a very, very good way. okay g c»; c?“ the role in a very, very good way. okay 9 g5 v:i:v" way. okay keeping us on this topic of paying reparations just so that we're on that . so you so that we're on that. so you think that the monarchy should pay think that the monarchy should pay reparations so you've set yourself up with a lovely argument. the next question would be how far back do we go in of where reparations in terms of where reparations should be paid? um i would say, you know , probably about late you know, probably about late 19th century, perhaps not really much further than that , because much further than that, because the follow up question would be why is that a cut off point ? why is that a cut off point? well, because of obviously the era where his mother , you know, era where his mother, you know, was you know, was born . and we was you know, was born. and we can't really go beyond- and we can't really go beyond that . can't really go beyond that. surety:— can't really go beyond that. snvevv, ven— can't really go beyond that. surely, you know, do we really vene— surely, you know, do we really went ve— surely, you know, do we really vent so be— surely, you know, do we really want to be going— surely, you know, do we really want to be going too far? in the past— want to be going too far? in the past e— want to be going too far? in the past e env— want to be going too far? in the past ? but obviously, you know, past? but obviously, you know, veenne— past? but obviously, you know, we're looking at,— past? but obviously, you know, we're looking at, um, you know, senevnvne— we're looking at, um, you know, something that— we're looking at, um, you know, something that has happened. and the something that has happened. and sne evennen— something that has happened. and the guardian does— something that has happened. and the guardian does make reference to the guardian does make reference ve-en— the guardian does make reference ve-en es— the guardian does make reference ve-en es ven— the guardian does make reference ve-en es veu. — the guardian does make reference to-era as well. so- the guardian does make reference to era as well . to that era as well. so let's vnnv— to that era as well. so let's see what what alan thinks on this one. you've heard the point of view, then we don't go back too far, but we should go back and some reparations. alan

and do some reparations. alan stephen just a lot more wokeness i mean, this happened 200 odd years ago and here we are saying we should be paying reparations . so in 200 years in the future , we going— . so in 200 years in the future , we going ve— so in 200 years in the future , are we going to be paying venevevvens— , are we going to be paying reparations to— , are we going to be paying reparations to all the kids that are reparations to all the kids that going— reparations to all the kids that gevng ve— reparations to all the kids that going so be— reparations to all the kids that are going to be around in those eevse— are going to be around in those days neeense— are going to be around in those days? because the— are going to be around in those days? because the children from today— days? because the children from veeev neve— days? because the children from veenv neve nee— days? because the children from today have had their minds venee— today have had their minds vevnee sv— today have had their minds warned by sv— today have had their minds warped by by social media and evevvvnvne— warped by by social media and evevvvnvng evse— warped by by social media and everything else that's going on? it's everything else that's going on? us vnev— everything else that's going on? it's what happened at the time just— it's what happened at the time we seen— it's what happened at the time we been seen— it's what happened at the time just bear bear with it live with it just bear bear with it live with n and— just bear bear with it live with n and ge— just bear bear with it live with n and gee en— just bear bear with it live with it and get on with it. but are you— it and get on with it. but are you sngnvvv— it and get on with it. but are you slightly equating the use of seen— you slightly equating the use of seevev neeve— you slightly equating the use of social media with— you slightly equating the use of social media with slavery there? i social media with slavery there? v vnvnv— social media with slavery there? v think some— social media with slavery there? i think some people— social media with slavery there? i think some people would- social media with slavery there? i think some people would say they're different topics. they're very different topics. well, be there maybe well, there may be there maybe snee— well, there may be there maybe vnene ene— well, there may be there maybe there are slaves— well, there may be there maybe there are slaves to— well, there may be there maybe there are slaves to social media.— there are slaves to social media. that's— there are slaves to social media. that's a- there are slaves to social media. that's a very good point. ven— media. that's a very good point. you just— media. that's a very good point. ven we need— media. that's a very good point. you just raised because they're seventee— you just raised because they're neevevee ve— you just raised because they're addicted to it.— you just raised because they're addicted to it. but— you just raised because they're addicted to it. but that's not vnev— addicted to it. but that's not vnev v-n— addicted to it. but that's not what i'm saying.— addicted to it. but that's not what i'm saying. what i'm saying-— what i'm saying. what i'm saving- ve— what i'm saying. what i'm saying. we we— what i'm saying. what i'm saying. no we shouldn't be paying— saying. no we shouldn't be paying reparations . that's in paying reparations. that's in ene— paying reparations. that's in sne past-— paying reparations. that's in the past. forget— paying reparations. that's in the past. forget it. let's move vev-s— the past. forget it. let's move vev-s just— the past. forget it. let's move on. let's just live— the past. forget it. let's move on. let's just live in the present:— on. let's just live in the present, which- on. let's just live in the present, which , andrew, they present, which, andrew, they eevng—

present, which, andrew, they were doing 200— present, which, andrew, they were doing 200 years ago. andrew— were doing 200 years ago. andrew v— were doing 200 years ago. andrew i mean— were doing 200 years ago. andrew i mean ,_ were doing 200 years ago. andrew i mean , what- were doing 200 years ago. andrew i mean , what do you make andrew i mean, what do you make to that point? just get over it and move on. your thoughts ? um, and move on. your thoughts? um, well , i and move on. your thoughts? um, well, i mean, to an extent. i can understand— well, i mean, to an extent. i can understand what alan is sayings— can understand what alan is saving, env— can understand what alan is saying, but likewise, we don't vene— saying, but likewise, we don't want e— saying, but likewise, we don't want e veneev— saying, but likewise, we don't want a repeat of— saying, but likewise, we don't want a repeat of this . you know, want a repeat of this. you know, sennevvnes— want a repeat of this. you know, sometimes people— want a repeat of this. you know, sometimes people see an example. in sometimes people see an example. vn ene— sometimes people see an example. vn sne ense— sometimes people see an example. in the past something has happenedv_ in the past something has happened se— in the past something has happened, so it's okay to do it again-— happened, so it's okay to do it again. and— happened, so it's okay to do it again. and ven— happened, so it's okay to do it again. and you know, it's worthwhile— again. and you know, it's worthwhile us— again. and you know, it's worthwhile us acknowledging this has worthwhile us acknowledging this nes neeeenee— worthwhile us acknowledging this nes neeeenee .— worthwhile us acknowledging this has happened . um, but you know , has happened. um, but you know, i has happened. um, but you know, v ee— has happened. um, but you know, v ee envnv— has happened. um, but you know, i do think that— has happened. um, but you know, i do think that we,— has happened. um, but you know, i do think that we, we need to say— i do think that we, we need to sev snat— i do think that we, we need to say net is— i do think that we, we need to say that it's happened. we won't it say that it's happened. we won't n vent— say that it's happened. we won't it went nappen— say that it's happened. we won't it won't happen again. but we need— it won't happen again. but we need ve— it won't happen again. but we need ve neve— it won't happen again. but we need to make sure it does. and it's need to make sure it does. and is just— need to make sure it does. and is we use:— need to make sure it does. and it's just like, you— need to make sure it does. and it's just like, you know , as, as it's just like, you know, as, as your— it's just like, you know, as, as venv vvevves— it's just like, you know, as, as your viewers will— it's just like, you know, as, as your viewers will know, i am i'm a your viewers will know, i am i'm e university— your viewers will know, i am i'm a university supporter . tutor. a university supporter. tutor. um,— a university supporter. tutor. vvnn ven— a university supporter. tutor. um, ven knew:— a university supporter. tutor. um, you know, it's something has gene— um, you know, it's something has gene vene— um, you know, it's something has gene wrong in— um, you know, it's something has gone wrong in this— um, you know, it's something has gone wrong in this study skills ve— gone wrong in this study skills session. if it— gone wrong in this study skills session. if it doesn't happen agein— session. if it doesn't happen again is— session. if it doesn't happen again, it's kind— session. if it doesn't happen again, it's kind of okay. so nne— again, it's kind of okay. so nne-vve— again, it's kind of okay. so kind-live and- again, it's kind of okay. so kind live and let live. but kind of live and let live. but enviensvv— kind of live and let live. but obviously this— kind of live and let live. but obviously this slavery is senesning— obviously this slavery is something that does worry me. it's something that does worry me. vs gene— something that does worry me. vs gene inve— something that does worry me. it's gone into a— something that does worry me. it's gone into a massive , you it's gone into a massive, you knew:— it's gone into a massive, you know, national— it's gone into a massive, you know, national well read nevseenen— know, national well read nevseeeev .— know, national well read newspaper . and they have their newspaper. and they have their concerns . and— newspaper. and they have their concerns . and i,— newspaper. and they have their concerns . and i, i— newspaper. and they have their concerns . and i, i do have a concerns. and i, i do have a greet— concerns. and i, i do have a gveev neet— concerns. and i, i do have a

great gen et— concerns. and i, i do have a great deal of respect for their eeneenen— great deal of respect for their education section. so okay, tee-s— education section. so okay, tee-s ees-s— education section. so okay, let's let's widen up. i'm just going to widen up the debate here further and bring going to widen up the debate here in further and bring going to widen up the debate here in withther and bring going to widen up the debate here in with this and bring going to widen up the debate here in with this one bring going to widen up the debate here in with this one as ng going to widen up the debate here in with this one as well. peter in with this one as well. reparations the back of the news. and we've things like news. and we've had things like the trevelyan estate paying money. topic money. so it's a hot topic again. your thoughts on again. what's your thoughts on it? so my thing is we always vevv— it? so my thing is we always seek nsent— it? so my thing is we always talk about slavery— fl so my thing is we always talk about slavery though talk about slavery as though it's talk about slavery as though its—sne- talk about slavery as though its—sne past. talk about slavery as though its—sne past :| it's something in the past, seven— it's something in the past, slavery-today. - it's something in the past, slavery today. it's on it's something in the past, sla\streets today. it's on it's something in the past, sla\ streets rightday. it's on it's something in the past, sla\ streets right now. t's on it's something in the past, sla\ streets right now. andn our streets right now. and i sninv— our streets right now. and i think-should— our streets right now. and i think-should-a. our streets right now. and i. think-should-a little think we should spend a little bit think we should spend a little sis-nne— think we should spend a little bit-time talking- think we should spend a little bit time talking about that bit more time talking about that g...— bit more time talking about that men-tns— bit more time talking about that snen-snis .— bit more time talking about that snen-snis . n— bit more time talking about that than-this . if i'm- bit more time talking about that than this. if i'm being than we than this. if i'm being if than we than this. if i'm being n-eeing— than we than this. if i'm being if-being-honest. l if i'm being brutally honest. ane— if i'm being brutally honest. avse: n— if i'm being brutally honest. avse: n ven— if i'm being brutally honest. also, if you are— if i'm being brutally honest. also, if you are paying reparations,- also, if you are paying reparations, who you giving reparations, who are you giving the reparations, who are you giving sne—inns- reparations, who are you giving the—that's that's. the money to? that's that's enevnen— the money to? that's that's another—that'si another big question that's never—about.| never really talked about. are we never really talked about. are ve-giving— never really talked about. are ve-giving n- never really talked about. are ve-giving i te- never really talked about. are we-giving it to a- never really talked about. are we giving it to a charity we are we giving it to a charity 7 we are we giving it to a charity e-vnen— we are we giving it to a charity e-vnien ene— we are we giving it to a charity ?-which one? who,- we are we giving it to a charity ? which one? who, which, ? if so, which one? who, which, vnien—snen which groups more worthy than enevnen— which groups more worthy than another—know- which groups more worthy than another_ know ,- which groups more worthy than another know , this another group? you know, this kind— another group? you know, this nne-neve- another group? you know, this kind more questions kind of opens more questions vnen— kind of opens more questions vnen n— kind of opens more questions than it actually— kind of opens more questions than it actually answers. but veen— than it actually answers. but veen v— than it actually answers. but veen v neve— than it actually answers. but yeah, i have to— than it actually answers. but yeah, i have to admit, i kind of feu— yeah, i have to admit, i kind of ten en— yeah, i have to admit, i kind of ten en g...— yeah, i have to admit, i kind of fall on the side— yeah, i have to admit, i kind of fall on the side that this is a neve— fall on the side that this is a vine en— fall on the side that this is a little bit wonky— fall on the side that this is a little bit wonky and, you know, it's little bit wonky and, you know, its—en— little bit wonky and, you know, its—enla- little bit wonky and, you know, it's—bitla kind. it's just a little bit of a kind of continually— it's just a little bit of a kind of continually-of- it's just a little bit of a kind of continually of atoning of continually kind of atoning neeeese— of continually kind of atoning because-know- of continually kind of atoning. because-know-big because i want to know how big a eneev— because i want to know how big a eneev ee— because i want to know how big a eneev ee gees— because i want to know how big a check do does the— because i want to know how big a check do does the royal family neve— check do does the royal family neve se— check do does the royal family have to ride?— check do does the royal family have to ride?-in- have to ride? because in the unsee— have to ride? because in the. united—francisco, united states, in san francisco, tney— united states, in san francisco, vnev neve— united states, in san francisco, they have they're— united states, in san francisco, they have they're proposing a seennen— they have they're proposing a senene-en- they have they're proposing a scheme-uh, to- they have they're proposing a scheme uh, to kind

they have they're proposing a. scheme-uh, to kind of scheme right now, uh, to kind of pay scheme right now, uh, to kind of eev seek— scheme right now, uh, to kind of eev seek fen— scheme right now, uh, to kind of pay back for reparations and seven— pay back for reparations and svevenv—n-sl slavery over there. and it's vengnvv— slavery over there. and it's vengnvv e— slavery over there. and it's vengnvv e ene— slavery over there. and it's roughly a one estimate puts it at roughly a one estimate puts it e eeeev— roughly a one estimate puts it e eeees ss— roughly a one estimate puts it at about $8 billion. it's going to at about $8 billion. it's going se—se— at about $8 billion. it's going se—se nev- at about $8 billion. it's going se—se nev bigl to cost the city. so how big a eneev— to cost the city. so how big a eneev is— to cost the city. so how big a eneev is n— to cost the city. so how big a check is it going— to cost the city. so how big a check is it going to excuse our eenens— check is it going to excuse our eenens e— check is it going to excuse our actions ? and _ check is it going to excuse our actions ? and i— check is it going to excuse our actions ? and i have to admit, actions? and i have to admit, tns— actions? and i have to admit, snis stowe— actions? and i have to admit, this story, these— actions? and i have to admit, this story, these kind of things , v-n— this story, these kind of things , in just— this story, these kind of things , in just use:— this story, these kind of things , i'm just like, let's let's move on. let's- , i'm just like, let's let's move on. let's actually talk enem— move on. let's actually talk about dealing— move on. let's actually talk about dealing with something snes— about dealing with something snes ensnng— about dealing with something that existing right now rather vnen— that existing right now rather vnen vvvvng— that existing right now rather vnen vvvvng ve— that existing right now rather than trying to rehash or re reig— than trying to rehash or re veig sne— than trying to rehash or re rejig the history around. �*vivv�*vzi; rejig the history around. we sen-v— rejig the history around. we sen-e een— rejig the history around. we can't deal with— rejig the history around. we can't deal with two- rejig the history around. we can't deal with two things at once, though, can't we? we can certainly try and stop one crime whilst a separate whilst addressing a separate issue. but alan, seeing as we've not you on this not brought you back in on this one, the point that andrew made earlier addressing wrongs one, the point that andrew made earlihave addressing wrongs one, the point that andrew made earlihave a(done, ng wrongs one, the point that andrew made earlihave a(done, ngwe ongs that have been done, if we separate them up from reparations, meaning we reparations, meaning money, we just for would you just go for apology. would you you with that, andrew you be okay with that, andrew with alan. sorry. even got confused. no. with alan. sorry. even got confused . no. who's going to confused. no. who's going to enevegvsee— confused. no. who's going to enevegvsee vs— confused. no. who's going to apologise? is king— i: no. who's going to apologise? is king charles going to apologise? is king charles going ve eeevegvse— apologise? is king charles going to apologise for— apologise? is king charles going to apologise for something that his ancestors— to apologise for something that his ancestors did— to apologise for something that his ancestors did ? it is his ancestors did? it is nonsense . nicole. um, let's just nonsense. nicole. um, let's just seem— nonsense. nicole. um, let's just veenn even— nonsense. nicole. um, let's just teen teen een— nonsense. nicole. um, let's just learn from our mistakes and move

on. learn from our mistakes and move andrew— learn from our mistakes and move anenev vs— learn from our mistakes and move on. andrew is that— learn from our mistakes and move on. andrew is that managed to vee— on. andrew is that managed to convince you now? ido convince you now? um, no. i do vninv— convince you now? um, no. i do sninv snee— convince you now? um, no. i do sninv snee vee— convince you now? um, no. i do think that, you know,— convince you now? i do think that, you know, it's insenens— think that, you know, it's important that- think that, you know, it's important that you know, we need to. important that you know, we need se. vve— important that you know, we need e we, ve — important that you know, we need e we, we need— important that you know, we need to. we, we need to— important that you know, we need to. we, we need to acknowledge snes— to. we, we need to acknowledge snes es— to. we, we need to acknowledge that as happened. _ to. we, we need to acknowledge that as happened. but i, i don't gink— that as happened. but i, i don't sninv ,— that as happened. but i, i don't sninv , vee— that as happened. but i, i don't think , you know,— that as happened. but i, i don't think , you know, it's, i think think, you know, it's, i think snee-s— think, you know, it's, i think vnene-s e— think, you know, it's, i think there's a risk— think, you know, it's, i think there's a risk that something sente— there's a risk that something eenve nennen— there's a risk that something could happen again . and could happen again. and esneeveuv— could happen again. and especially with the likes. you knew:— especially with the likes. you knew: v-n— especially with the likes. you knew: in e— especially with the likes. you know, i'm a regular viewer of een— know, i'm a regular viewer of een vveevsen— know, i'm a regular viewer of dan wootton tonight, and there's negeven— dan wootton tonight, and there's regular unsavoury_ dan wootton tonight, and there's regular unsavoury goings on when it regular unsavoury goings on when n senes— regular unsavoury goings on when n se— regular unsavoury goings on when it comes to -markle - regular unsavoury goings on when it comes to markle and it comes to meghan markle and sense— it comes to meghan markle and ennse haw-— it comes to meghan markle and prince harry. and— it comes to meghan markle and prince harry. and i— it comes to meghan markle and prince harry. and i do worry me— prince harry. and i do worry me vee— prince harry. and i do worry that you know,— prince harry. and i do worry that you know, there could be nne— that you know, there could be more kind of— that you know, there could be more kind of corruption and snings— more kind of corruption and snings se— more kind of corruption and things to come— more kind of corruption and things to come with them . um, things to come with them. um, evev. — things to come with them. um, evev. se— things to come with them. um, okay- se vevv— things to come with them. um, okay. so well, you— things to come with them. um, okay. so well, you know, thank you— okay. so well, you know, thank vee fen— okay. so well, you know, thank ven fen your— okay. so well, you know, thank you for your points. interesting - you for your points. interesting stuff. i get the feeling we'll have to come back and talk more about this at some stage. but meanwhile, thank you to andrew alan and thank you to andrew and alan and thank you very barnes, very much to peter barnes, political now, very much to peter barnes, politivgo now, very much to peter barnes, politivgo anywhere, now, very much to peter barnes, politivgo anywhere, because don't go anywhere, because coming next is my big opinion coming up next is my big opinion that labour tweeted attacking rishi sunak has gone down like a lead balloon. plus we taking a first look at tomorrow's front pages. we've got all of that fun

filled two hours lying ahead of you.so filled two hours lying ahead of you. so stay tuned. hello again. the fine weather. many of us neve— the fine weather. many of us neve nee— the fine weather. many of us have had through today will sensinee— have had through today will continue overnight. that does n— continue overnight. that does n viv— continue overnight. that does mean it will turn— continue overnight. that does mean it will turn chilly and vengevv— mean it will turn chilly and vengevv sveen— mean it will turn chilly and largely clear skies. but then tomorrow brings— largely clear skies. but then tomorrow brings plenty of dry ene— tomorrow brings plenty of dry and warm, sunny— tomorrow brings plenty of dry and warm, sunny weather , all and warm, sunny weather, all eesense— and warm, sunny weather, all nesense ef— and warm, sunny weather, all because of high— and warm, sunny weather, all because of high pressure which because of hiin pressure which is because of high pressure which is eeninenng— because of high pressure which is dominating the— because of high pressure which is dominating the picture across the is dominating the picture across sne-keeping— is dominating the picture across the-keeping fronts- is dominating the picture across the keeping fronts in the the uk, keeping fronts in the vess— the uk, keeping fronts in the vest es— the uk, keeping fronts in the vest es nev— the uk, keeping fronts in the vest e be .— the uk, keeping fronts in the west at bay . but— the uk, keeping fronts in the west at bay . but we are going to west at bay. but we are going to tns— west at bay. but we are going to snis weev— west at bay. but we are going to see this weak front— west at bay. but we are going to see this weak front trying to nnsn— see this weak front trying to nnsnlvev— see this weak front trying to nnsnlvev g..— see this weak front trying to push way in from the north push its way in from the north see. —geing- push its way in from the northj see. —geinglnnng sea. now that's going to bring a unve— sea. now that's going to bring a neve-neve— sea. now that's going to bring a little-more cloud— sea. now that's going to bring a little more cloud eastern little bit more cloud to eastern end— little bit more cloud to eastern and northeastern— little bit more cloud to eastern and northeastern of and northeastern parts of the us. — and northeastern parts of the us. -sene- and northeastern parts of the uk.-some rain- and northeastern parts of the uk. some rain could uk. and also some rain could snnn— uk. and also some rain could snnn e— uk. and also some rain could snnn e neve— uk. and also some rain could turn a little bit— uk. and also some rain could turn a little bit heavy at times over eastern parts— turn a little bit heavy at times over eastern parts scotland over eastern parts of scotland evennigns. — over eastern parts of scotland overnight. -they'll l over eastern parts of scotland overnight. they'll be overnight. elsewhere they'll be essen— overnight. elsewhere they'll be men-skies.— overnight. elsewhere they'll be often - skies. and - overnight. elsewhere they'll be often skies. and under often clear skies. and under snese— often clear skies. and under. these _temperatures often clear skies. and under thevgoing temperatures often clear skies. and under thevgoing to temperatures often clear skies. and under thevgoing to take temperatures often clear skies. and under thevgoing to take azmperatures often clear skies. and under thevgoing to take a bitieratures often clear skies. and under thevgoing to take a bit ofatures often clear skies. and under thevgoing to take a bit of aires are going to take a bit of a dip- — are going to take a bit of a dip- vvnisv— are going to take a bit of a dip. whilst it— are going to take a bit of a dip. whilst it won't be quite as seve— dip. whilst it won't be quite as sese-vess— dip. whilst it won't be quite as cold-last night,— dip. whilst it won't be quite as cold last night, most, it cold as last night, for most, it send— cold as last night, for most, it send snu— cold as last night, for most, it could still be— cold as last night, for most, it could still be a— cold as last night, for most, it could still be a touch frosty for could still be a touch frosty fen sene— could still be a touch frosty for some and— could still be a touch frosty for some and watch out for a few nessnes—neg- for some and watch out for a few nessnes—feg g..- for some and watch out for a few patches _fog in the. patches of mist and fog in the sensn. — patches of mist and fog in the sensn. _forl south. later in the night for men.— south. later in the night for nenv. tnen— south. later in the night for nenv. vnen en— south. later in the night for many. then on saturday, getting off many. then on saturday, getting en se— many. then on saturday, getting en selnngns— many. then on saturday, getting off to lbright start— many. then on saturday, getting off to bright start with off to a bright start with evenn— off to a bright start with seventy—sin plenty of sunshine. still some sienn— plenty of sunshine. still some cloud-eastern- plenty of sunshine. still some cloud eastern north cloud across eastern north eesesn— cloud across eastern north eesevn eens— cloud across eastern north eastern parts, most of the eastern parts, but most of the vein— eastern parts, but most of the vein-sien— eastern parts, but most of the rain-clear away- eastern parts, but most of the rain clear away and good rain will clear away and a good snnnv—is- rain will clear away and a good snnnv—is geingi rain will clear away and a good chunk—is going toi chunk of the cloud is going to

seek— chunk of the cloud is going to seek-vein — chunk of the cloud is going to break -well. .for- chunk of the cloud is going to break well. for many, break up as well. so for many, it break up as well. so for many, ivlgeing— break up as well. so for many, iilgeing ve— break up as well. so for many, iilgeing sele— break up as well. so for many, it going to a largely it is going to be a largely snnnv—nienvvl it is going to be a largelyi sunny-plenty of sunny afternoon, plenty of sieving— sunny afternoon, plenty of spring sunshine. and that spring sunshine. and in that snnsnine— spring sunshine. and in that sunshine pleasantly sunshine feeling pleasantly warm vivn— sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures— sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures a higher with temperatures a touch higher vnen—nigns— with temperatures a touch higher than—highslaroundl than today with highs of around 16 than today with highs of around is en— than today with highs of around is en ii— than today with highs of around 16 or 17 celsius— than today with highs of around 16 or 17 celsius later on as we go 16 or 17 celsius later on as we ge invengn— 16 or 17 celsius later on as we go through tomorrow evening, we are go through tomorrow evening, we geing— go through tomorrow evening, we geing ve— go through tomorrow evening, we geing ve-e— go through tomorrow evening, we are going to-a bit— go through tomorrow evening, we are going to a bit more are going to see a bit more sienn— are going to see a bit more sieni esess— are going to see a bit more cloud across parts of northern iveiensi— cloud across parts of northern ireland. winds— cloud across parts of northern ireland. winds strengthening neve:— ireland. winds strengthening neve: vee— ireland. winds strengthening here, too, all— ireland. winds strengthening here, too, all-to- ireland. winds strengthening here, too, all to this here, too, all due to this ivenv. — here, too, all due to this front. that's trying to push in ven— front. that's trying to push in iven-inis- front. that's trying to push in from -this will- front. that's trying to push in from this will bring front. that's trying to push in from outbreaks'his will bring front. that's trying to push in from outbreaks of; will bring front. that's trying to push in from outbreaks of rainl bring front. that's trying to push in from outbreaks of rain hereg front. that's trying to push in from outbreaks of rain here as some outbreaks of rain here as we ge— some outbreaks of rain here as we ge invengn— some outbreaks of rain here as we go through the— some outbreaks of rain here as we go through the evening and nevnens— we go through the evening and nevnens ve— we go through the evening and perhaps to western parts of ssevieni:— perhaps to western parts of scotland, too,— perhaps to western parts of scotland, too, overnight. elsewhere, _ scotland, too, overnight.- elsewhere, _ like scotland, too, overnight.- elsewhere,_like a elsewhere, it's looking like a ievgeiv— elsewhere, it's looking like a ievgeiv-nignv.— elsewhere, it's looking like a largely night. there will be largely dry night. there will be a largely dry night. there will be elvnee— largely dry night. there will be a.more cloud— largely dry night. there will be a.more cloud than- largely dry night. there will be a more cloud than we've seen a bit more cloud than we've seen vnvengn— a bit more cloud than we've seen vnvengn sene— a bit more cloud than we've seen through some recent nights. as a esns— through some recent nights. as a results—perhaps- result, temperatures perhaps not droppi"9_ dropping quite as low as they neve— dropping quite as low as they neve sene— dropping quite as low as they have done recently. otherwise vnvengn— have done recently. otherwise through easter— have done recently. otherwise through easter sunday, it's egein— through easter sunday, it's egein vev— through easter sunday, it's again for much— through easter sunday, it's again for much of england and vveies— again for much of england and vveieslieesv— again for much of england and wales, least looking like wales, at least looking like enevnev— wales, at least looking like enevnev-iev— wales, at least looking like another-day .- wales, at least looking like another day . yes, there'll another fine day. yes, there'll be e— another fine day. yes, there'll be e iii— another fine day. yes, there'll be a bit more— another fine day. yes, there'll be a bit more cloud around than of be a bit more cloud around than ei—ve— be a bit more cloud around than ei—ve neei- be a bit more cloud around than of we head through of late, but as we head through the of late, but as we head through sne—siev- of late, but as we head through sne—iev inl the middle part of the day in nevvisnien— the middle part of the day in particular, looking particular, it is looking ievgeiv— particular, it is looking largely outbreaks of particular, it is looking- largely-outbreaks of rain largely sunny outbreaks of rain vnvengn— through the morning across ssevieni— through the morning acrossj scotland _ away scotland should clear away vevevis— scotland should clear awayj towards—then towards the north, but then some wet towards the north, but then some vev—geing— towards the north, but then some vev—geinglnnsn- towards the north, but then some vev—geinglnnsn in| wet weather is going to push in ven— wet weather is going to push in iven sne— wet weather is going to push in iven vne vess— wet weather is going to push in from the west later on and that viii— from the west later on and that viii sweep— from the west later on and that viii sweep-sne- from the west later on and that will sweep the into will sweep across the uk into mondays— will sweep across the uk into monday,_change. will sweep across the uk into monday, change to monday, bringing a change to

more-conditions- monday, bringing a change to more -conditions ..

welcome to mark dolan. tonight, do not adjust your set . you're do not adjust your set. you're thinking he's gained weight. no, it's stephen. alan, we've it's me, stephen. alan, we've got a fun filled two hours ahead of strap in and enjoy the of us, so strap in and enjoy the ride in my big opinion, mbappe shouldn't get paid more. they shouldn't get paid more. they should be paid more so that they can't get other jobs and should be paid more so that they can't get otherjobs and get can't get other jobs and get caught up in stupid scams in the big as labour posted a big story as labour posted a tweet that says that some say it's below the belt . is british it's below the belt. is british politics heading to the gutter and will be talking to a commander of the british empire, businesswoman , tv star and all businesswoman, tv star and all round superstar tessa hartmann.

big guests, big stories, big opinions , a lively two hours to opinions, a lively two hours to come. but first, the headlines with bethany elsey . thanks with bethany elsey. thanks steve. good evening. i am nevnenv— steve. good evening. i am bethany elsey— good evening. i am bethany elsey with your top svevies— bethany elsey with your top stories from _ bethany elsey with your top stories from the— bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom. ine— stories from the gb newsroom. ine vve— stories from the gb newsroom. the two sisters— stories from the gb newsroom. the two sisters killed in a sneeving— the two sisters killed in a shooting attack- the two sisters killed in a shooting attack on their car in the shooting attack on their car in vne essnniei— shooting attack on their car in the occupied west— shooting attack on their car in the occupied west bank have been seniivnei— the occupied west bank have been seniivnei es— the occupied west bank have been confirmed as british— the occupied west bank have been confirmed as british israeli sivisens. — confirmed as british israeli citizens. it's— confirmed as british israeli citizens. it's amid increased vieiense— citizens. it's amid increased violence across— citizens. it's amid increased violence across the region in esens— violence across the region in esenv ievs— violence across the region in recent days with— violence across the region in recent days with the uk foreign eiiise— recent days with the uk foreign office calling _ recent days with the uk foreign office calling for— recent days with the uk foreign office calling for all sides in ne— office calling for all sides in the israel—palestine dispute to ie—esseieve— the israel—palestine dispute to de—escalate tensions. but venignv— de—escalate tensions. but venignv ,— de—escalate tensions. but tonight, israel's foreign ninisvvv— tonight, israel's foreign ministry says- tonight, israel's foreign ministry says one person has seen— ministry says one person has been viiiei— ministry says one person has been killed and— ministry says one person has been killed and several others ininvei— been killed and several others ininvei in— been killed and several others ininvei in e— been killed and several others injured in a terror— been killed and several others injured in a terror attack in iei— injured in a terror attack in iei aviv— injured in a terror attack in iei aviv .— injured in a terror attack in tel aviv . russia- injured in a terror attack in tel aviv . russia has charged tel aviv. russia has charged a us tel aviv. russia has charged a us ienvneiisv— tel aviv. russia has charged a us journalist with espionage. even— us journalist with espionage. evan gershkovitch, who works for the evan gershkovitch, who works for vne vvevv— evan gershkovitch, who works for the wall street— evan gershkovitch, who works for the wall street journal, is essnsei— the wall street journal, is essnsei ei— the wall street journal, is accused of trying to obtain isnssien— accused of trying to obtain russian military secrets on ieneii— russian military secrets on ieneii ei— russian military secrets on behalf of washington . he pleaded

behalf of washington. he pleaded not behalf of washington. he pleaded nei gniivv— behalf of washington. he pleaded not guilty earlier— behalf of washington. he pleaded not guilty earlier this week and neinveins— not guilty earlier this week and neinveins ne— not guilty earlier this week and maintains he was— not guilty earlier this week and maintains he was working as a ienvneiisv.— maintains he was working as a journalist. but— maintains he was working as a journalist. but foreign. but isnssie-s— journalist. but foreign. but russia's foreign minister , russia's foreign minister, sevgev— russia's foreign minister, sevgev vvev— russia's foreign minister, sergey lavrov, says he was sengnv— sergey lavrov, says he was sengnv vei— sergey lavrov, says he was caught red handed. president joe eigen— caught red handed. president joe biden nes— caught red handed. president joe biden has described the claims of biden has described the claims ev esnienege— biden has described the claims ev esnienege es— biden has described the claims of espionage as ridiculous and ieneniei— of espionage as ridiculous and demanded his— of espionage as ridiculous and demanded his release . opposition demanded his release. opposition neiivisiens— demanded his release. opposition neiivisiens in— demanded his release. opposition politicians in scotland are nvging— politicians in scotland are nvging ine— politicians in scotland are urging the snp to be fully transparent— urging the snp to be fully transparent about its finances. it's transparent about its finances. iv-s evvev— transparent about its finances. iv-s evvev iv— transparent about its finances. it's after it emerged the firm vnisn— it's after it emerged the firm which audits— it's after it emerged the firm which audits the _ it's after it emerged the firm which audits the party's accounts, has- which audits the party's accounts, has resigned . johnston accounts, has resigned. johnston sevnisneei— accounts, has resigned. johnston carmichael says— accounts, has resigned. johnston carmichael says it— accounts, has resigned. johnston carmichael says it made the iesisien— carmichael says it made the decision after— carmichael says it made the decision after reviewing its siienv— decision after reviewing its client portfolio— decision after reviewing its client portfolio early this week.— client portfolio early this week. ine— client portfolio early this week. the former snp chief eenvie— week. the former snp chief executive, peter— week. the former snp chief executive, peter murrell, who is niseie— executive, peter murrell, who is nicola sturgeon's_ executive, peter murrell, who is nicola sturgeon's husband, was enesvei— nicola sturgeon's husband, was enesvei iv— nicola sturgeon's husband, was arrested by police— nicola sturgeon's husband, was arrested by police investigating the arrested by police investigating vne eeniv-s— arrested by police investigating the party's finances. he was veieesei— the party's finances. he was released without— the party's finances. he was released without charge, pending innnev— released without charge, pending further investigation . police in further investigation. police in nennevn— further investigation. police in northern ireland— further investigation. police in northern ireland are warning vneiv— northern ireland are warning their officers— northern ireland are warning their officers could be targeted by their officers could be targeted iv veieis— their officers could be targeted by veieis in— their officers could be targeted by rebels in londonderry. this eesen— by rebels in londonderry. this vesvev. ine— by rebels in londonderry. this easter. the psni— by rebels in londonderry. this easter. the psni says it's veseivei— easter. the psni says it's received strong - easter. the psni says it's received strong intelligence vnev— received strong intelligence that attacks— received strong intelligence that attacks are— received strong intelligence that attacks are being planned for that attacks are being planned vev eenv— that attacks are being planned for bank holiday—

that attacks are being planned for bank holiday monday , m15 for bank holiday monday, m15 veisei— for bank holiday monday, m15 veisei ine— for bank holiday monday, m15 raised the terrorism threat ievei— raised the terrorism threat ievei in— raised the terrorism threat level in the _ raised the terrorism threat level in the country to severe ieiieving— level in the country to severe following the _ level in the country to severe following the shooting of senior nevesvive— following the shooting of senior detective john— following the shooting of senior detective john caldwell . detective john caldwell. meanwhile, _ detective john caldwell. meanwhile, communities and neiivisei— meanwhile, communities and political figures— meanwhile, communities and political figures have come vegevnev— political figures have come vegevnevve— political figures have come together to mark 25 years since the together to mark 25 years since he signing— together to mark 25 years since he signing ei— together to mark 25 years since the signing of the— together to mark 25 years since the signing of the good friday agveenenv:— the signing of the good friday agreement, which ended decades of agreement, which ended decades ei vieiense— agreement, which ended decades ei vieiense .— agreement, which ended decades of violence . the— agreement, which ended decades of violence . the labour party of violence. the labour party nes— of violence. the labour party nes sveei— of violence. the labour party nes sveei iv— of violence. the labour party has stood by an— of violence. the labour party has stood by an advert that sieins— has stood by an advert that claims rishi_ has stood by an advert that claims rishi sunak doesn't think sniii— claims rishi sunak doesn't think sniii se— claims rishi sunak doesn't think child sex abusers— claims rishi sunak doesn't think child sex abusers should go to nvisen. — child sex abusers should go to prison. labour— child sex abusers should go to prison. labour posted the ad on ivivven— prison. labour posted the ad on twitter, pitching— prison. labour posted the ad on twitter, pitching itself as the party— twitter, pitching itself as the eeniv ei— twitter, pitching itself as the neviv ev vev— twitter, pitching itself as the party of law and— twitter, pitching itself as the party of law and order. but it's ivevn— party of law and order. but it's drawn criticism— party of law and order. but it's drawn criticism from mps, with ievv— drawn criticism from mps, with senior tory ministers accusing ieienv— senior tory ministers accusing ieienv ei— senior tory ministers accusing ieienv ei e— senior tory ministers accusing labour of a vile— senior tory ministers accusing labour of a vile and desperate senneign— labour of a vile and desperate campaign strategy and s—club sevens— campaign strategy and s—club sevens veni— campaign strategy and s—club seven's paul cattermole has nessei— seven's paul cattermole has nessei evev— seven's paul cattermole has passed away aged 46, only weeks evvev— passed away aged 46, only weeks evvev ine— passed away aged 46, only weeks evvev vne p0p— passed away aged 46, only weeks evvev vne p0p gvenn— passed away aged 46, only weeks after the pop group announced a seneiesv— after the pop group announced a comeback tour.— after the pop group announced a comeback tour. he— after the pop group announced a comeback tour. he was found at his comeback tour. he was found at nis neme— comeback tour. he was found at nis nene in— comeback tour. he was found at his home in dorset— comeback tour. he was found at his home in dorset yesterday . his home in dorset yesterday. veiise— his home in dorset yesterday. veiise sev— his home in dorset yesterday. police say there— his home in dorset yesterday. police say there were no snsnisiens— police say there were no suspicious circumstances in a svevenenv:— suspicious circumstances in a statement, the— suspicious circumstances in a statement, the family and the eeni— statement, the family and the bend sein— statement, the family and the band said there— statement, the family and the band said there are no words to iessviie— band said there are no words to describe their— band said there are no words to describe their deep sadness .

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we start with this. one our mps have a rough time of it. they get so much bad press, such flak , and in surveys of the least trusted professions , politicians trusted professions, politicians are always up there with a state agents, journalists and people who do surveys. you don't see that last the list. but that last one on the list. but i think that backs up my suspicions. well here suspicions. well i'm here to stick up mps. it's hard stick up for the mps. it's hard work. getting elected in the first must nightmare. first place must be a nightmare. but you've the job, but once you've got the job, you've work in parliament you've got to work in parliament and constituency. you and in your constituency. you hold to hold surgeries. you have to raise constituents concerns with ministers. to vote ministers. you have to vote on new laws policies, which new laws and policies, which means be across means you've got to be across all issues. the hours all of those issues. the hours must relentless, that's must be relentless, and that's the starting point. members the starting point. some members of parliament also have responsibilities as ministers, which means even more work being across your brief and working in your department. so i say these brave, hardworking individuals deserve pay and then deserve more pay and then shouldn't be allowed to have second jobs. why ban them from taking on extra work? simple they work in parliament they have to work in parliament and constituency. they and their constituency. they vote and some vote on laws and some are

ministers. you're that busy, ministers. if you're that busy, then surely you can't do a second without impact . second job without impact. voting. job was short voting. your first job was short changing. people who pay, changing. the people who pay, you now. know you know us now. i don't know about your employment status, but have a full time job but if you have a full time job and you said full time and you said to your full time boss, great love the job i'll be doing another one well, doing another one as well, though. would be happy? and though. would they be happy? and our aren't our jobs probably aren't that important. isn't. important. mine certainly isn't. i can a weekend off from i can take a weekend off from doing host these doing stand up to host these shows live audience shows and the live audience won't mind. they'll probably prefer mps working prefer it, but mps are working for us. they get paid by us. so can you really have task can you really have two task masters you paid by the masters if you paid by the people? and then you have to be paid by someone else who might have interests that don't match? is even possible ? to is that even possible? to counter this argument you'd normally say, well, we want the brightest the best. yes, we brightest and the best. yes, we do, but we the brightest do, but we want the brightest and the best. who will actually pay and the best. who will actually pay don't we? there's pay attention? don't we? there's no having really no point having some really successful person become an mp and their time. and give us 10% of their time. if mps had to focus on serving people all the time, then maybe this end the nose in this could end the nose in trough problem we see in the

papers recently , kwasi kwarteng papers recently, kwasi kwarteng and hancock caught up and matt hancock were caught up in a sting being offered £10,000 a day to work for a fake korean company. they didn't think anything was fishy about being offered ten grand day. best offered ten grand a day. best and brightest good. this week we heard that conservative mp scott benton been suspended from benton had been suspended from a parliamentary party after being caught indicates that he would be willing to break lobbying rules he met with rules for money. he met with undercover reporters pretending to be from a fake company. looks like that survey was right. you can't journalists . and can't trust journalists. and after you've been mp , go for after you've been an mp, go for it. free to make as much it. feel free to make as much money as you can be the director of whatever. do the after dinner circuit. we're paying circuit. but while we're paying for your focus . for you, we want your focus. ipp views at gb news gb views at

gb news. .uk. that's the one i always get struggle with that one. i'll get your emails later in the show. to my big in the show. reacting to my big opinion . and tonight, here's my opinion. and tonight, here's my brilliant panel. broadcaster and journalist nina myskow political commentator benjamin loughnane and leader of ukip, neil hamilton , all join me. well, hamilton, all join me. well, first of all, thank you very much for being with me. let's get into the big story as well. yeah, i'll get your take on my monologue first. actually, i realise i might have offended at least one of you with some of my thoughts. us neil, i'll start with i'm effectively tried with you. i'm effectively tried to your previous career. to curtail your previous career. i'm unoffendable by the way. seen. — i'm unoffendable by the way. seen. sene— i'm unoffendable by the way. good. come-right. i'm unoffendable by the way.- good. come-right place good. come to the right place because i've put up with much because i've put up with so much offence over the years. that has no me at all. but i no impact on me at all. but i think the that we face think the problem that we face with latest scandal is that with this latest scandal is that these jobs that mps these so—called jobs that mps are wanting to take up are not really jobs at all. if they're ieiiving— really jobs at all. if they're ieieieving tens— really jobs at all. if they're ieieieving ieis :— really jobs at all. if they're lobbying jobs , then- ”5:5ch if they're lobbying jobs , then that's been lobbying jobs, then that's been iennei— lobbying jobs, then that's been iennei envvev— lobbying jobs, then that's been banned anyway since my time. you send— banned anyway since my time. you senii ven— banned anyway since my time. you senii ven senii— banned anyway since my time. you could you could actually take up

a could you could actually take up e ieiiving— could you could actually take up e ieieieving iei— could you could actually take up eieniving iei in— could you could actually take up a lobbying job in the 80 seconds and a lobbying job in the 80 seconds eni sne— a lobbying job in the 80 seconds end he so— a lobbying job in the 80 seconds and the 90 seconds. but that's all now gone. i don't- and the 90 seconds. g i don't think all now gone. i don't think envieiv— all now gone. i don't think anybody would— g i don't think anybody would complain if an mp snenv— anybody would complain if an mp snenv e— anybody would complain if an mp sneni e siev— anybody would complain if an mp sneni e eev ev— anybody would complain if an mp spent a day or half— anybody would complain if an mp spent a day or half a day a week being— spent a day or half a day a week ieingliesvev— spent a day or half a day a week beingldoctor or— spent a day or half a day a week beingldoctor or a— spent a day or half a day a week being doctor or a dentist or being a doctor or a dentist or an being a doctor or a dentist ori an_something. being a doctor or a dentist or- an_something. and an accountant or something. and i an accountant or something. and i—geen— an accountant or something. and i—geen vning- an accountant or something. and i—geen vning vev- i think it's a good thing for mps to have least one foot in mps to have at least one foot in the world. us there are mps the real world. us there are mps , of course, who've never set foot in the real world. they go from student politics in into some research job and then into parliament and never emerged from retirement age. so from it until retirement age. so theresa may was wasn't she? theresa may was one, wasn't she? well, that well, exactly. i think that proves point. she was she proves my point. and she was she was bureaucrat in the bank of was a bureaucrat in the bank of england. had no no real england. but had no no real connection with the real world otherwise. so i think it's a good thing for mps to do real jobs for at least part of the time. after all, mps are not 9 to 5 jobs. how they use their time over 24 hours for 365 days a year is up to them. nobody expects them to work every hour that there is in the day as an mp. so i think it's a case of looking at each individual case and deciding whether this is

reasonable or not. what do you vninv— reasonable or not. what do you vninv esens— reasonable or not. what do you think about this?— reasonable or not. what do you think about this? i— what do you think about this? i mean, we neev— think about this? i mean, we neev nev— think about this? i mean, we hear how much— think about this? i mean, we hear how much work they do. we neev— hear how much work they do. we neev vnev— hear how much work they do. we hear that they're _ hear how much work they do. we hear that they're very busy and eivevs— hear that they're very busy and eivevs ieeving— hear that they're very busy and always looking after the inengnvs— always looking after the thoughts of— always looking after the thoughts of their constituents. always looking after the thyou're of their constituents. always looking after the thyou're of thusy,)nstituents. always looking after the thyou're of thusy,)nstitueryou if you're that busy, how do you enege— if you're that busy, how do you nenege-in— if you're that busy, how do you manage-in extra- if you're that busy, how do you manage in extra work? manage to fit in extra work? vieii. — manage to fit in extra work? vieii. lien-v— manage to fit in extra work? well,ldon'tldon't- manage to fit in extra work? well, idon'tldon't think- manage to fit in extra work? well, don't don't think you well, i don't i don't think you do, because one or other do, because one, one or other has suffer. but would you has to suffer. but why would you mentioned money. mentioned they need more money. 84,000 year is not peanuts 84,000 odd a year is not peanuts . i mean it's more than i mean it's 50 grand. more than the average salary in this country, which is about £35,000 for the to the people are in full to the people who are in full time employment. that's outrageous to think need outrageous to think they need more money. and, you know, vnev-s— more money. and, you know, vnev-s-ei— ivivivzi; “(whigs and, you know, that's of extrapolating that's kind of extrapolating vnev— that's kind of extrapolating vies-eniv— that's kind of extrapolating that only people that's kind of extrapolating that-only people are that the only people who who are not that the only people who who are nev insen— that the only people who who are not bribed well— that the only people who who are not bribed well in— that the only people who who are not bribed well in this moment venis— not bribed well in this moment venii-snnev— not bribed well in this moment would-sunak. - not bribed well in this moment would sunak. md would be rishi sunak. right. nesense— would be rishi sunak. right. because who— would be rishi sunak. right. because who can bribe him financially? can't . no, it's financially? you can't. no, it's nonsense. you know , the mps it nonsense. you know, the mps it sounds a bit po , but mps are sounds a bit po, but mps are servants of the people . they are servants of the people. they are voted to represent their constituents and there must be so many problems and so many issues that they must have to deal with that it is a full time

job. i just don't understand how anything could take up their time if they're if they're dedicated. mps. your first of all, you need mps who have integrity . they are supposed to integrity. they are supposed to be people we look up to. well, that's long gone. i mean, that's very, very you know, a long, long time ago. but you mentioned, you know, noses in the trough, i mean, snouts in the trough, i mean, snouts in the trough, i mean, snouts in the trough . it seems to when the trough. it seems to me when they that level and they they get to that level and they get they you know, get complacent, they you know, look own paterson, geoffrey look at own paterson, geoffrey cox , it's just outrageous . cox, it's just outrageous. well, i mean, geoffrey cox is a vevv— well, i mean, geoffrey cox is a very distinguished, distinguished, distinguished vnevneiv— distinguished, distinguished nnevneiv ei— distinguished, distinguished member of the bar or not. that is e— member of the bar or not. that is e nvenev— member of the bar or not. that is e nvenev job-— member of the bar or not. that is e nveneviee. ve— member of the bar or not. that is a proper job. he wasn't, but is a properjob. he wasn't, but he wasn't above taking money from the cayman islands and putting their case forward. and that's what barristers do. but but no, no, no, no, no, no , no. but no, no, no, no, no, no, no. but not a barrister. he's but he's not a barrister. he's a he's a he was a former attorney general. and the dividing line was very clear and he blurred it. and he and it cost him his, his. well indeed, but, but as indeed— his. well indeed, but, but as

indeed iv— his. well indeed, but, but as indeed it should— i“ well indeed, but, but as indeed it should do . indeed it should do. but that's a indeed it should do. but that's e nevvev— indeed it should do. but that's a matter between him and his constituents. benjamin, your seve— constituents. benjamin, your veve en— constituents. benjamin, your take on this?— constituents. benjamin, your take on this? should- i benjamin, your take on this? should they be ege.— take on this? should they be ioove neve— take on this? should they be 100% have it— take on this? should they be 100% have it sticking to the one job 100% have it sticking to the one iei-sne— 100% have it sticking to the one iei-sne neenie- 100% have it sticking to the one iei-sne neenie e- 100% have it sticking to the one job the people ? well, job of serving the people? well, i job of serving the people? well, l-y°“_ job of serving the people? well, i-ven knew:— job of serving the people? well, i-you know, the- job of serving the people? well, i you know, the corrupt i think, you know, the corrupt inis— i think, you know, the corrupt iivslenes— i think, you know, the corrupt mps,-ones-this,l i think, you know, the corrupt- mps,-ones-this, being mps, the ones who do this, being eeie— mps, the ones who do this, being eeie-nenev— mps, the ones who do this, being eeie-nenev ven-v— mps, the ones who do this, being paid money won't them. paid more money won't stop them. inev-s— paid more money won't stop them. inns—ee— paid more money won't stop them. inev-s—ee sne- paid more money won't stop them. that's—be the thing- that's not going to be the thing that disincentive it, that disincentive rises it, because it's about because for them it's about always more and always wanting more and more and more. them 200 more. so you could pay them 200 grand year would still grand a year and it would still be lobbying jobs be going after lobbying jobs because be happy be going after lobbying jobs because they be happy be going after lobbying jobs because they have. be happy be going after lobbying jobs because they have. andiappy be going after lobbying jobs because they have. and the,! with what they have. and the, you the of the you know, the thrill of the corruption as well. i think do does some people. there's does drive some people. there's something that something to be said for that aspect it's not entirely aspect of it. it's not entirely about it's about, about the money. it's about, you know, being crooked. know, habitual being crooked. and people do have that and some people do have that problem . there was a time when problem. there was a time when mps weren't paid at all and it was, you know, you had a probably arguably a better class of that time because of mps at that time because people it as an act of people did it as an act of pubuc people did it as an act of public service. they didn't see it thing to be gained from. it as a thing to be gained from. and know, the idea and i think, you know, the idea that paying them will that just paying them more will stop true. stop the problem isn't true. what really need to do what you really need to do is come harder on crooks come down harder on the crooks when someone is proven to be crooked, should be out crooked, they should be out of parliament cut

parliament and it should be cut and that would solve the and dry. so that would solve the one category of the problem, the crooked ones. but still, the pens— crooked ones. but still, the neinv is— crooked ones. but still, the neinv is e— crooked ones. but still, the point is a separate- i: but still, the point is a separate point that if point is a separate point that ii-nveiessing- point is a separate point that if-professing to- point is a separate point that if professing to be if you are professing to be vevving— if you are professing to be working-for- if you are professing to be- working-for-people working that hard for the people that working that hard for the people vnev ven-ve— working that hard for the people that you're meant— working that hard for the people that you're meant to be serving, the that you're meant to be serving, vne seepe— that you're meant to be serving, the peoplev paying— that you're meant to be serving, the people, paying your wage to seve— the people, paying your wage to take—someone- the people, paying your wage to take _ someone who i take money from someone who nignv— take money from someone who might—interests. might have different interests vise— might have different interests iive e— might have different interests seems like a difficult circle to snege— seems like a difficult circle to snege . — seems like a difficult circle to gsne . vsen.— seems like a difficult circle to square . “411?" gig square. yeah, absolutely. well, i think if it's a profession, as you dentist, doctor or you said, dentist, doctor or lawyer whatever else , it is lawyer or whatever else, it is good to have one foot in the real world and to be doing something where you're touch something where you're in touch with but that is with real people. but that is a very to very different thing to lobbying. i mean, if people if vne— lobbying. i mean, if people if vnve ges— lobbying. i mean, if people if vnve gev e— lobbying. i mean, if people if you've got a small— g i mean, if people if you've got a small business, for evenne— you've got a small business, for example, parliament example, you go into parliament and example, you go into parliament ene—iiee— example, you go into parliament ene—iiee nev- example, you go into parliament and—idea how longi and you have no idea how long ven-ve— and you have no idea how long ven-ve geing— and you have no idea how long ven-ve geing-in- you're going to be in parliament,- you're going to be in parliament, quite a lot of neenie— parliament, quite a lot of neenie-ie— parliament, quite a lot of people be queuing up with people will be queuing up with men— people will be queuing up with snev-evvev— people will be queuing up with their- after the— people will be queuing up with their after the next their p45s after the next genevei— their p45s after the next general election . michael general election. michael veseivine— general election. michael heseltine built a fantastic insiness— heseltine built a fantastic business and— heseltine built a fantastic business and haymarket press nnen— business and haymarket press nnen ne— business and haymarket press when he became— business and haymarket press when he became a minister. enviensiv— when he became a minister. enviensiv ne— when he became a minister. obviously he had to put all that to obviously he had to put all that e ene— obviously he had to put all that e sine— obviously he had to put all that to one side and— obviously he had to put all that to one side and somebody else iv.— to one side and somebody else iv. env— to one side and somebody else ran it. but when— to one side and somebody else ran it. but when he left the gvevnvnenv— ran it. but when he left the government, he— ran it. but when he left the government, he went back into the government, he went back into vne insiness— government, he went back into the business now.— government, he went back into the business now. but that ieesn-v—

the business now. but that doesn't mean— the business now. but that doesn't mean that he was compromising— doesn't mean that he was compromising his commitment to being— compromising his commitment to being e— compromising his commitment to being e vnevneiv— compromising his commitment to being a member of— compromising his commitment to being a member of parliament. no, being a member of parliament. ne: enive— being a member of parliament. ne, gnive sne— being a member of parliament. no, quite the opposite. but you can no, quite the opposite. but you sviii— no, quite the opposite. but you sviii evvn— no, quite the opposite. but you can still own an— no, quite the opposite. but you can still own an asset, but you don't have. no but he was involved in the management of it. and see nothing with it. and i see nothing wrong with vnis— it. and i see nothing wrong with this ,_ it. and i see nothing wrong with vnis , sense:— it. and i see nothing wrong with this , frankly, so— c and i see nothing wrong with this , frankly, so long as you do this, frankly, so long as you do the this, frankly, so long as you do vne iei— this, frankly, so long as you do he iei ei— this, frankly, so long as you do vne iei ei en— this, frankly, so long as you do the job of an mp— this, frankly, so long as you do the job of an mp and the idea snev— the job of an mp and the idea vnev inis— the job of an mp and the idea vnev iivs ee— the job of an mp and the idea that mps are earnestly sitting eenie— that mps are earnestly sitting eenni evi— that mps are earnestly sitting around all day— that mps are earnestly sitting around all day talking real neiiviss— around all day talking real politics and— around all day talking real politics and doing useful things is insv— politics and doing useful things is just nonsense— politics and doing useful things is just nonsense .— politics and doing useful things isjust nonsense . i know politics and doing useful things is just nonsense . i know from politics and doing useful things isjust nonsense . i know from my is just nonsense. i know from my vine— is just nonsense. i know from my vine nev— is just nonsense. i know from my own time how much— is just nonsense. i know from my own time how much of my time was seen— own time how much of my time was sneni veeiiv— own time how much of my time was sneni veeiiv en— own time how much of my time was spent really on stuff— own time how much of my time was spent really on stuff which was of spent really on stuff which was ei ne — spent really on stuff which was ei ne veei— spent really on stuff which was of no real benefit— spent really on stuff which was of no real benefit to the genevei— of no real benefit to the general public, but it was a ieneiiv— general public, but it was a ieneiiv ve— general public, but it was a benefit to me— general public, but it was a benefit to me as- general public, but it was a benefit to me as a as a neiiiisien— benefit to me as a as a politician. but- benefit to me as a as a politician. but you know , so, so politician. but you know, so, so ienvessing— politician. but you know, so, so ienvessing vev— politician. but you know, so, so depressing for the— politician. but you know, so, so depressing for the average conservative. _ depressing for the average conservative. "viii; can conservative. that's the reality of here that , you know, you you of here that, you know, you you think very you know , very long think very you know, very long and hard before you put your cross against the name. and it's a very important thing. somebody representing me and i and i and i want them to work for me. and because otherwise they are my voice, then what about if they become a minister? are they then no become a minister? are they then ne iengev— become a minister? are they then ne iengev sevving— become a minister? are they then no longer serving the— i i“ 5vi”? are they then no longer serving the needs of

the constituents _ no longer serving the needs of the constituents by working in a senior position— the constituents by working in a senior position ? _ the constituents by working in a senior position ? emile senior position? well, then hopefully they have. they have a team going to. well team that are going to. well then they already— team that are going to. well then they already-they| then they already do. if they neve— then they already do. if they neve evnev— then they already do. if they have other business. “c25 have other business. yes, but env— have other business. yes, but in env— have other business. yes, but but but the thing is, what we really need to focus on is getting a better type getting a better a better type of of person. of mp, a better class of person. i like like in the i agree. like like in the met. the is rooting out, you the met is rooting out, you know, all the apples , you know, all the rotten apples, you know, all the rotten apples, you know, i'm not saying there know, and i'm not saying there are apples in are the rotten apples in parliament as there are in the met because nothing could equate with that. but there are those who are there for the glory, the honoun who are there for the glory, the honour. they don't really care about the constituency. they like those who like being. there are those who want to have the power . they want to have the power. they like that. they like. they like they like the publicity. i wouldn't agree that . they like the publicity. i- wouldn't agree-that . there wouldn't agree with that. there are some. you must- wouldn't agree with that. there are some. /viv. i are some. you must be some. i mean, are some. you must be some. i ven snev:— are some. you must be some. i mean, you know, we— are some. /viv. i mean, you know, we don't you you knew:— mean, you know, we don't you you lion—nge- mean, you know, we don't you you knee—neve senel know, i agree. we'll have some vine— know, i agree. we'll have some vine-e— know, i agree. we'll have some vine-e iisv— know, i agree. we'll have some time-a list in- know, i agree. we'll have some time-a list in the- time to make a list in the iveev. — time to make a list in the iveev. inn— time to make a list in the break. i'm sure- time to make a list in the break. ”c: c cc time to make a list in the- break. i'm sure it'll be a long one. i'm kidding . coming up one. i'm kidding. coming up next, big story labour next, the big story as labour posted below the belt tweet posted a below the belt tweet targeted sunak is targeted at rishi sunak is british politics in the gutter ? british politics in the gutter? we'll see you .

in three. well come back to mark dolan tonight with me , stephen allen. tonight with me, stephen allen. tonight. we want to hear from you so you can get in touch. gb views at gbnews.uk . thank you views at gbnews.uk. thank you for sending some through already . sydney refers to what we were saying earlier. i disagree with gavin ashenden. the issue is christianity. christians have objective morals, the object being the teaching of jesus. atheists have subjective morals , i.e. what they think is right, which may coincide with christian but will also christian morals, but will also be flexible. so they could be easily changed. once easily changed. wendy says once infrastructure costs are factored into the cost of immigration, it will run into billions of pounds. is billions of pounds. turnover is all government considers all the government considers when benefits when they suggest the benefits of immigration. and tracy says, i the issue with channel i think the issue with channel 4 flashing in front of children needs reporting to the police . needs reporting to the police. if these so—called adults i'm sure they were adults, if these adults had been in park or lay adults had been in a park or lay

by adults would be on by these adults would be on a sex offenders register, says tracy. welcome to tracy. your thoughts. welcome to send those emails to gbviews@gbnews.uk. but it's time now for the big story in which we tackle a major story from the week the official labour party twitter account posted this yesterday . it said, do you think yesterday. it said, do you think adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should go to prison? rishi sunak sunak doesn't a very personal attack on rishi sunak was it in poor taste? should they have had it taken down? are the tories stoking the culture wars to garner approval ? so have labour garner approval? so have labour and conservatives entered a new era of gutter politics? joining me to unpick all of this is the editor of capex. john ashmore. thanks for joining editor of capex. john ashmore. thanks forjoining us. are we thanks for joining us. are we heading to a new place where it's just effectively street brawling on the internet ? i brawling on the internet? i think it's always tempting to sink— think it's always tempting to vninv inev— think it's always tempting to think that you— think it's always tempting to think that you or i live in a nnigneiv— think that you or i live in a uniquely down,— think that you or i live in a uniquely down, down, down low eni— uniquely down, down, down low end iivvv— uniquely down, down, down low end iivvv ee— uniquely down, down, down low and dirty era of— uniquely down, down, down low and dirty era of politics. but i

een-v— and dirty era of politics. but i een-v veeiiv— and dirty era of politics. but i don't really think so. i think there was a lot of kind of pearl clutching about this advert. i mean, there are various problems with it. it doesn't really make a lot of sense. no one really imagines that rishi sunak approves of sending child approves of not sending child sex offenders to jail. it's a kind of a trope of political advertising that if something's bad is happening on the government's watch, you can't pin it on the prime minister in terms of tactics . what's going terms of tactics. what's going on is quite obvious. i think rishi sunak the conservative rishi sunak is the conservative biggest strength. his personal ratings are much better than the party's ratings . so labour are party's ratings. so labour are just kind of trying to tear strips weaker in his strips off him. weaker in his image and you know , create image and you know, create political advantage doing that . political advantage doing that. i just don't think it's any worse than a lot of what we've seen before. you might remember the ed miliband stabbing the whole ed miliband stabbing his brother in the back thing when did a, um, when michael fallon did a, um, an editorial about it or, you know, you had the demon eyes poster back in the 1990s, you know , it's a rough and tumble know, it's a rough and tumble sort of arena . anyway, i don't i sort of arena. anyway, i don't i don't really see this as being

particularly worse than any of what's gone before, to be honest . is there a whiff of hypocrisy to . is there a whiff of hypocrisy ve eie— . is there a whiff of hypocrisy ve eie inve— . is there a whiff of hypocrisy to add into this,— is there a whiff of hypocrisy to add into this, given that vein— to add into this, given that keir starmer— to add into this, given that keir starmer speaks of kind of neiivisse— keir starmer speaks of kind of neiivisse i— keir starmer speaks of kind of politics? i mean,— keir starmer speaks of kind of politics? i mean, every single vine— politics? i mean, every single vine vneve-s— politics? i mean, every single time there's someone a new prime iiinisvev— time there's someone a new prime iiinisvev-nev— time there's someone a new prime minister-new leader- time there's someone a new prime minister new leader the minister or a new leader of the ennesivien— minister or a new leader of the ennesiiien inev— minister or a new leader of the opposition that someone says, oh,— opposition that someone says, sen-veni— opposition that someone says, sen-vens eii- opposition that someone says, oh,-want all-thatl oh, we don't want all of that vigniing— oh, we don't want all of that fighting commons fighting in the commons and it eivevs— fighting in the commons and it evens—iv.- fighting in the commons and it eivevs—iv. soel always reverts back to it. so, you— always reverts back to it. so, ven-inev— always reverts back to it. so, you -that cycle - always reverts back to it. so, you that cycle goes you know, that cycle goes round. but you know, that cycle goes round. env-spend— you know, that cycle goes round. env-spend evi- you know, that cycle goes round. but-spend all of- you know, that cycle goes round. but spend all of your but if you do spend all of your vine—inev- but if you do spend all of your vine—snev ven- but if you do spend all of your time _that you are i but if you do spend all of your. time _that you are the time pretending that you are the be nisev— time pretending that you are the be nicer politician— time pretending that you are the be nicer politician and you be nicer politician and, and you are be nicer politician and, and you evelnnsev— be nicer politician and, and you are-upset-boris- be nicer politician and, and you are upset boris johnson are so upset when boris johnson inniies— are so upset when boris johnson implies something— are so upset when boris johnson implies something about your eesi— implies something about your nesi iegei— implies something about your past legal history with jemmy seviie— past legal history with jemmy seviie ve— past legal history with jemmy savile to then— past legal history with jemmy savile to then do— past legal history with jemmy savile to then do this does seem a savile to then do this does seem e iii— savile to then do this does seem e iiv — savile to then do this does seem a bit rum perhaps,— savile to then do this does seem a bit rum perhaps, although een-v— a bit rum perhaps, although een-v vninv— a bit rum perhaps, although don't think keir— a bit rum perhaps, although don't think keir starmer's brand has don't think keir starmer's brand nes eve— don't think keir starmer's brand nes eeen— don't think keir starmer's brand has ever been in— don't think keir starmer's brand has ever been in the same way as ievenv— has ever been in the same way as ievenv sevivn-s— has ever been in the same way as ievenv sevivn-s ves— has ever been in the same way as jeremy corbyn's was like kinder, genviev— jeremy corbyn's was like kinder, gentler politics. _ jeremy corbyn's was like kinder, gentler politics. i— jeremy corbyn's was like kinder, gentler politics. . gentler politics. i think keir starmer's brand has always been a more kind of straightforward. i'm a guy who can wear a suit normally and isn't ashamed of the british flag. that's kind of his brand . the british flag. that's kind of his brand. um, the british flag. that's kind of his brand . um, yeah, the british flag. that's kind of his brand. um, yeah, i the british flag. that's kind of his brand . um, yeah, i mean, his brand. um, but yeah, i mean, you say there's little his brand. um, but yeah, i mean, y0lof say there's little his brand. um, but yeah, i mean, y0lof hypocrisyiere's little his brand. um, but yeah, i mean, y0lof hypocrisy ,ere's little his brand. um, but yeah, i mean, y0lof hypocrisy , but little his brand. um, but yeah, i mean, y0lof hypocrisy , but i little his brand. um, but yeah, i mean, y0lof hypocrisy , but i don't i bit of hypocrisy, but i don't i don't really feel that that keir starmer has ever pretended to be

this moral in this kind of moral paragon in the way jeremy corbyn, the way that jeremy corbyn, for example, . um, it might , example, did. um, it might, there might be a problem in the sense that, uh , you know, it's sense that, uh, you know, it's not going to put it. it sort of undermines his , his authority to undermines his, his authority to a degree to put out something that just seems a bit silly. a degree to put out something that just seems a bit silly . but that just seems a bit silly. but i think that's more of an issue than it being kind of offensive or immoral in some way. it's just that that the advert might not of sense to not make a lot of sense to people. yeah, but having morals , neving— people. yeah, but having morals , having adverts— people. yeah, but having morals , having adverts-this,- yeah, but having morals , having adverts this, then , having adverts like this, then neves— , having adverts like this, then neves ns— , having adverts like this, then makes us head— , having adverts like this, then makes us head towards a time vnen— makes us head towards a time vnen iv— makes us head towards a time vnen ii is— makes us head towards a time vnen ii is insi— makes us head towards a time when it is just name calling. i mean effectively— when it is just name calling. i mean effectively that's what inev— mean effectively that's what vnev vveevs— mean effectively that's what that tweets image is, isn't it? its— that tweets image is, isn't it? its nevning— that tweets image is, isn't it? it's nothing more— that tweets image is, isn't it? it's nothing more than name seiiing— it's nothing more than name calling. shouldn't calling. and shouldn't we aim for calling. and shouldn't we aim vev—inev- calling. and shouldn't we aim for—that from - calling. and shouldn't we aim for—that from ouri for better than that from our neiivisiens— for better than that from our politicians and— for better than that from our politicians and our politics? oh,— politicians and our politics? on: i— politicians and our politics? oh, i certainly— politicians and our politics? oh, i certainly think we should ein— oh, i certainly think we should ein vev— oh, i certainly think we should aim for better— oh, i certainly think we should aim for better in— oh, i certainly think we should aim for better in politics vne— aim for better in politics across the _you i aim for better in politics- across the _you know, you across the board. you know, you guys just discussing mps guys were just discussing mps there, think i mean, since guys were just discussing mps theitime think i mean, since guys were just discussing mps theitime i think i mean, since guys were just discussing mps theitime i started i mean, since guys were just discussing mps theitime i started coveringsince the time i started covering politics, i don't think there's any that quality of any doubt that the quality of debate and interaction in parliament has got a lot worse . parliament has got a lot worse. um, this kind of advert , it is

um, this kind of advert, it is personal, but i think that politics has become more personal and more presidential andifs personal and more presidential and it's going to be aiming at the leaders a lot more for a long time. i mean since even since margaret since some. margaret thatcher you we've had you could say that we've had a presidential style politics, even haven't even though we haven't had a president . um, but yeah, president as such. um, but yeah, i mean, i think we can always aim for more. but if you spend any time kind of political any time on kind of political twitter, a total twitter, it's a total cesspit out it's, it's awful . and out there. it's, it's awful. and often think the best thing to often i think the best thing to do the general public is to do for the general public is to kind of try and tune a lot of that out. yeah, i suppose. that stuff out. yeah, i suppose. env— that stuff out. yeah, i suppose. but-eventually— that stuff out. yeah, i suppose. but-eventually these- yeah, i suppose. but eventually these things yeah, i suppose. but turned ventually these things yeah, i suppose. but turned int01ally these things yeah, i suppose. but turned into billboardz things get turned into billboard nesvevs— get turned into billboard posters, things in newspapers, the posters, things in newspapers, vne vieie— posters, things in newspapers, the whole purpose of this communication is to try and get neenie— communication is to try and get neenie ve— communication is to try and get neenie ie ieev— communication is to try and get people to look at— communication is to try and get people to look at it. so the responsibility— people to look at it. so the responsibility can't be on to us ieev— responsibility can't be on to us ieev evev.— responsibility can't be on to us ieev evev. vve— responsibility can't be on to us look away. we should have neiiiisiens— look away. we should have politicians who _ look away. we should have politicians who aren't name seiiing. — politicians who aren't name seiiing. ve— politicians who aren't name calling. no you're right. it's eise— calling. no you're right. it's also extraordinarily- calling. no you're right. it's also extraordinarily it's extraordinarily cheap and easy for a political party to garner enormous coverage. i mean, i spoke earlier about the demonise thing, and that was basically a billboard campaign . these days, billboard campaign. these days, all you need to do , like you

all you need to do, like you said, is kind of is tweet something and every paper will put it up on their website. and, you talking you know, here we are talking about had they've about it. they've had they've got hit. so got a massive free hit. so i suspect the kind of labour spin as the press team will be pretty happy with the impact this has had because are had because we're we are discussing this kind of, um , discussing this kind of, um, sort of meta issue about whether or not it's offensive or some people have suggested it's racist, which i don't really get at i think it's yeah, at all. i think it's yeah, i just think that's kind of, i don't know it just doesn't make any sense to me. okay but let's i just any sense to me. okay but let's iinsv veni— any sense to me. okay but let's iinsi venv ve— any sense to me. okay but let's i just want to bring— any sense to me. okay but let's i just want to bring in- but let's i just want to bring in the venis— i just want to bring in the venis eni— i just want to bring in the topic and true. - i just want to bring in the topic and true. i want to bring in vne— topic and true. i want to bring in the pundits— topic and true. i want to bring in the pundits on— topic and true. i want to bring in the pundits on that point, vnengn— in the pundits on that point, though, about— in the pundits on that point, though, about the idea of. yes no though, about the idea of. yes ne nniiisivv— though, about the idea of. yes ne nniiisiiv is— though, about the idea of. yes no publicity is bad publicity , no publicity is bad publicity, but no publicity is bad publicity, env inis— no publicity is bad publicity, env vnis is— no publicity is bad publicity, but this is not— no publicity is bad publicity, but this is not landed a punch as but this is not landed a punch es iv— but this is not landed a punch es iv snveiv— but this is not landed a punch as it surely you— but this is not landed a punch as it surely you look at this eni— as it surely you look at this end ne— as it surely you look at this and no one's actually thinking inev— and no one's actually thinking vnev isisni — and no one's actually thinking that rishi sunak— and no one's actually thinking that rishi sunak doesn't want to seni— that rishi sunak doesn't want to sens—ve— that rishi sunak doesn't want to seni—ve nvisenl send sex offenders to prison. vev-s— send sex offenders to prison. vev-slve— send sex offenders to prison. vev-slve vne— send sex offenders to prison. let's-to the - and i send sex offenders to prison. let's to the and take let's go to the panel and take vnengnvs— let's go to the panel and take our thoughts-it. _ let's go to the panel and take our thoughts it. there our thoughts on it. there from env-nine:— our thoughts on it. there from env-nine: iii- our thoughts on it. there from our-nina, i'll start. our pundits. nina, i'll start vivn— our pundits. nina, i'll start vin-visv— our pundits. nina, i'll start with-first of- our pundits. nina, i'll start with first of what's with you. first of all, what's veni— with you. first of all, what's venv-venv— with you. first of all, what's your your thoughts when your what's your thoughts when your what's your thoughts when ven—neiivisse | you see this kind of politics? vies.— you see this kind of politics? wen-g..— you see this kind of politics? vieii.-is.-ne-s| well, the thing is, what he's stating, i is that rishi

stating, i think, is that rishi sunak represents he the prime sunak represents he is the prime minister he represents the tory party the government , party and the tory government, which has been in power 13 which has been in power for 13 years. stating a fact years. and he's stating a fact that with whether you like it or not, the fact that he's pointed, it's been pointed out in this way may be something to do with the fact that keir starmer , the fact that keir starmer, although labour is way, way ahead of the government in the polls , keir starmer himself is polls, keir starmer himself is still somebody that the general pubuc still somebody that the general public doesn't quite know. people people you listen to focus groups. on god, focus groups. but if you listen to what people in focus groups say, they say they don't know what he is, what stands he is, what he stands for. he doesn't have personal motty. doesn't have a personal motty. he's wooden, he's all sort he's wooden, he's all that sort of may is an of thing. may be this is an attempt to something to cut attempt to for something to cut through. and people will be slightly shocked by this. oh, is he because he he saying that because he doesn't hard for doesn't it's very hard for him to being the sort of to land a blow being the sort of character that he is. so maybe this is the way to go for him. benjamin do you think this is

the kind of blow that he wants to land? well, i'm not sure. it seems to me like it's something that will backfire. they haven't really through. so that will backfire. they haven't realiof through. so that will backfire. they haven't realiof the through. so that will backfire. they haven't realiof the problems ugh. so that will backfire. they haven't realiof the problems with so that will backfire. they haven't realiof the problems with scis one of the problems with it is the they use are the statistic that they use are from and in 2010, keir from 2010 and in 2010, keir starmer was director starmer was the director of pubuc starmer was the director of public prosecutions through till 2013. sunak wasn't even an 2013. rishi sunak wasn't even an mp at the time , so there is a mp at the time, so there is a sense of what exactly are they trying to communicate with this 7 trying to communicate with this ? the are ? they're saying the tories are the reason this happened, but then putting sunak then they're putting rishi sunak face it. well, but rishi face next to it. well, but rishi sunak wasn't there. so you're laying the people like laying the blame on people like cameron and theresa may. and you know, and boris johnson. but rishi sunak turned up halfway through this whilst keir starmer was the entire so was involved the entire time. so it's those things where it's one of those things where you kind of it's confused you just kind of it's confused messaging seem to be messaging and it does seem to be that trying to that they're just trying to go for the red wall. they want the shock they want shock tactics, they want the, you don't like the you know, we don't like the sexual child sex abusers. we're going to be tough on them. it seems to me that they're going for that sort of vote, but they haven't quite thought through what message is . okay. and

what the message is. okay. and neil, i what the message is. okay. and vei: i gnev— what the message is. okay. and vei, i gvev nn— what the message is. okay. and neil, i grew up in— what the message is. okay. and neil, i grew up in a— what the message is. okay. and neil, i grew up in a red- g okay. and neil, i grew up in a red wall i— neil, i grew up in a red wall i fini— neil, i grew up in a red wall area. i find i— neil, i grew up in a red wall area. i find i would find that kind— area. i find i would find that kind ei— area. i find i would find that kind ei vning— area. i find i would find that kind of thing patronising that the kind of thing patronising that sne-inev— kind of thing patronising that the .that you'd- kind of thing patronising that the that you'd want to tell the idea that you'd want to tell me something that's not accurate, just— me something that's not accurate, just to rile me up. i mean, has politics- accurate, just to rile me up. i mean, has politics got worse vnen— mean, has politics got worse vnen i— mean, has politics got worse vnen i-geing— mean, has politics got worse than i-goinglsay- mean, has politics got worse than i going say in your than i was going to say in your day?— than i was going to say in your eeve-siev— than i was going to say in your eeve-eev is— than i was going to say in your day?-day is still- than i was going to say in your day? day is still here. day? your day is still here. i iiin-v— day? your day is still here. i iiin-v neen— day? your day is still here. i didn't mean imply that. but didn't mean to imply that. but do didn't mean to imply that. but ie-vninv— didn't mean to imply that. but do .think there's- didn't mean to imply that. but do think there's been do you think there's been a iesiine— do you think there's been a decline .the— do you think there's been a decline the standard of decline in the standard of the way— decline in the standard of the vev-ie— decline in the standard of the way-do politics? - decline in the standard of the way do politics? \vviv way that we do politics? no, sieve-s— way that we do politics? no, there's always— way that we do politics? no, there's always been- way that we do politics? no, there's always been this kind of mudslinging politics in mudslinging in politics in a way. years ago, in way. back 100 years ago, in 1923, general election was 1923, that general election was won by the tories a complete won by the tories on a complete lie about labour party, the lie about the labour party, the so—called letter, which so—called zinoviev letter, which was supposed to have been written by one of the leading bolsheviks in russia, ussr to the labour party to get them to foment a revolution in england . foment a revolution in england. and baldwin, a very successfully used that in the 1923 general election to get a huge majority . it was completely false. so so nothing has changed in 100 years. i agree with what's just been said. the most remarkable thing about this political squib is it was guaranteed to blow up in labour's face and at least if

you're going to tell lies about your opponents, make them credible. i mean , nobody in his credible. i mean, nobody in his right mind believes that that rishi sunak no doesn't want to send sex offenders to prison. but he represents but he represents the government . he represents the government. he represents the government. he represents the he represents the government. and nniev— represents the government. and nniev vne— represents the government. and nniev he no— represents the government. and under the tory government, this is vnev— under the tory government, this is vnev nes— under the tory government, this is what has happened. well, and so is what has happened. well, and se inv— is what has happened. well, and se in ii— is what has happened. well, and se in ii is— is what has happened. well, and so but it is shock— is what has happened. well, and so but it is shock tactics. then iv-ii— so but it is shock tactics. then in ven— so but it is shock tactics. then in ven snev. — so but it is shock tactics. then it'll you know. but— so but it is shock tactics. then it'll you know. but the current is eivevs— it'll you know. but the current is always used— it'll you know. but the current is always used to— it'll you know. but the current is always used to be the party of is always used to be the party ei vev— is always used to be the party ei iev eni— is always used to be the party of law and order.— is always used to be the party of law and order. well, that is insi— of law and order. well, that is insv e— of law and order. well, that is insi e joke-— of law and order. well, that is insi e joke- i— of law and order. well, that is just a joke. i mean, but nina senii— just a joke. i mean, but nina senii-sev— just a joke. i mean, but nina could-say that's- just a joke. i mean, but nina could say that's not what could just say that's not what inev— could just say that's not what snev-sevs — could just say that's not what snev-sevs-isl could just say that's not what. that-says,-is it? that tweet says, though, is it? it that tweet says, though, is it? is neesn-v— that tweet says, though, is it? is neesn-v sev— that tweet says, though, is it? it doesn't say the— that tweet says, though, is it? it doesn't say the tory- that tweet says, though, is it? it doesn't say the tory party are for it says are to blame for this. it says rishi sunak doesn't think it's personalised. and of course, the key personalised. and of course, the vev—is— personalised. and of course, the vev—is inev— personalised. and of course, the vev—is vnev vne- key point here is that the snnenv— key point here is that the current sentencing guidelines were—when keir. were established when keir svevnev— were established when keir svevnev-e— were established when keir starmer a member of the starmer was a member of the senvensing— starmer was a member of the sentencing council as the ieivesvev— sentencing council as the director-public- sentencing council as the director public prosecutions. director of public prosecutions. so director of public prosecutions. se-seneiniv— director of public prosecutions. so-certainly make- director of public prosecutions. so certainly make the so you can certainly make the inev— so you can certainly make the case that the— so you can certainly make the case that the sentencing gnieeiines— case that the sentencing guidelines but guidelines could be changed. but to guidelines could be changed. but ve evene— guidelines could be changed. but to blame rishi_ guidelines could be changed. but to blame rishi sunak for keir svevnev— to blame rishi sunak for keir starmer policy— to blame rishi sunak for keir starmer policy seems to me the nivineve— starmer policy seems to me the nivineve in— starmer policy seems to me the ultimate in hypocrisy and sinniiiiv— ultimate in hypocrisy and sinnieiiv. — ultimate in hypocrisy and stupidity. you- ultimate in hypocrisy and stupidity . /viv. ultimate in hypocrisy and- stupidity . you know, thank you stupidity. you know, thank you for the discussion . we'll have for the discussion. we'll have to leave it there that one. to leave it there on that one.

and the editor of and thank you to the editor of capex, ashmore. capex, john ashmore. thank you for well, coming forjoining us. well, coming up next pundits as the next with the pundits as the life brian hits the cinemas life of brian hits the cinemas to celebrate its 44 year anniversary, it been anniversary, could it have been made today? we'll you .

in two. back with me now, joining me through the show , broadcaster through the show, broadcaster and journalist nina myskow , and journalist nina myskow, political commentator benjamin loughnane and leader of ukip, neil hamilton hamilton join me as our pundits . and let's get as our pundits. and let's get into this one, monty python's life of brian is back in the cinemas to celebrate 44 years since it was released. it's a film about an ordinary man mistaken for messiah and mistaken for the messiah and it's gone down as one of the best british comedies of all time. it's still outrageous, still irreverent, still laugh out as when it was out loud, funny as when it was released. but would be released. but would it be possible to make today ? so possible to make it today? so let's go to the panel. nina if we start with you, i mean, i'm presuming you've seen it. oh, god, yes, absolutely.

absolutely. and i absolyutely. and i saw it at god, yes, absolutely. - absolutely. and i saw it at the vine— absolutely. and i saw it at the vine eni— absolutely. and i saw it at the time and actually, i knew people vne— time and actually, i knew people nne neve— time and actually, i knew people who were involved— time and actually, i knew people who were involved with the neving— who were involved with the makinglit-_ who were involved with the makinglit. and- who were involved with the making it. and so when it was making of it. and so when it was nene:— making of it. and so when it was neielves— making of it. and so when it was made,.was meant— making of it. and so when it was made, was meant to made, it was meant to be envvegei. — made, it was meant to be enivegei. iv— made, it was meant to be outraged. it was meant to be ineveenv — outraged. it was meant to be irreverent. and— outraged. it was meant to be irreverent. and they were you knew:— irreverent. and they were you know, get know, they were desperate to get the know, they were desperate to get vne vignv— know, they were desperate to get the right publicity.— know, they were desperate to get the right publicity. and mary vvnivenense— the right publicity. and mary whitehouse ,_ the right publicity. and mary whitehouse , who i'm sure you whitehouse, who i'm sure you ven-v— whitehouse, who i'm sure you won't remember,— whitehouse, who i'm sure you won't remember, but we all remember mary— won't remember, but we all remember mary whitehouse was was was remember mary whitehouse was was iineiiv— remember mary whitehouse was was was finally persuaded to see it. ani— was finally persuaded to see it. and sne— was finally persuaded to see it. and she absolutely exploded. and vnev— and she absolutely exploded. and vnev vvee— and she absolutely exploded. and they were delighted because she tug.— they were delighted because she just ven— they were delighted because she just ven snev:— they were delighted because she just, you know, castigated . the just, you know, castigated. the vie— just, you know, castigated. the is— just, you know, castigated. the ne— just, you know, castigated. the movie is now made because mary wnivenense— movie is now made because mary whitehouse has— movie is now made because mary whitehouse has said it is iveeiini— whitehouse has said it is dreadful. i— whitehouse has said it is dreadful. i mean, it's just so ineveven-v— dreadful. i mean, it's just so irreverent. it's— dreadful. i mean, it's just so irreverent. it's this the best vnev— irreverent. it's this the best review they got? yeah. so that's vnev— review they got? yeah. so that's vnev vnev— review they got? yeah. so that's vnei inev gev. — review they got? yeah. so that's what they got. so— review they got? yeah. so that's what they got. so that's what so vnev— what they got. so that's what so vnev venvei— what they got. so that's what so he venvei iv— what they got. so that's what so they wanted it to _ what they got. so that's what so they wanted it to have that kind of they wanted it to have that kind ei-vnev— they wanted it to have that kind ei-vnev-vini- they wanted it to have that kind of-that-kind of- of that, that that kind of envvege— of that, that that kind of outrage .that's- of that, that that kind of outrage that's what they outrage and that's what they geing— outrage and that's what they geing-se- outrage and that's what they were going-so we- outrage and that's what they- were going-so we attempted were going for. so we attempted to fall down the pit of saying , to fall down the pit of saying, oh, you wouldn't be able to make that days. almost that these days. they almost didn't make those days didn't get to make it those days because banned various because it was banned in various areas and cinemas. yes, it was. so it be that different so would it be that different now? well, seemed to now? well, people have seemed to neve— now? well, people have seemed to neve-sensivive— now? well, people have seemed to have - sensitive and - have got more sensitive and vensnv—i- have got more sensitive andi vensnv—i have got more sensitive and- touchy_| mean, and

have got more sensitive and- toucireligion-i mean, and have got more sensitive and toucireligion . i mean, and have got more sensitive and toucireligion . i'm i mean, and have got more sensitive and toucireligion . i'm not mean, and have got more sensitive and toucireligion . i'm not ataan, and have got more sensitive and toucireligion . i'm not at all. and also religion. i'm not at all veiigiens— also religion. i'm not at all religious.iwas_ also religion. i'm not at all religious.iwas i- also religion. i'm not at all religious. was i was baptised religious. i was i was baptised a religious. i was i was baptised e sevens.— religious. i was i was baptised a catholic, but— religious. i was i was baptised a catholic, but ,_ religious. i was i was baptised a catholic, but , you know, very, a catholic, but, you know, very, vevv— a catholic, but, you know, very, verve vevv— a catholic, but, you know, very, verve vevv iensei— a catholic, but, you know, very, verve vevv iensei .— a catholic, but, you know, very, very, very lapsed . and so, you very, very lapsed. and so, you snev.— very, very lapsed. and so, you knew. iv— very, very lapsed. and so, you know, it religion— very, very lapsed. and so, you know, it religion doesn't esvneiiv— know, it religion doesn't actually mean that much me . actually mean that much to me. ani— actually mean that much to me. and i— actually mean that much to me. and i vninv— actually mean that much to me. and i think many— actually mean that much to me. and i think many of the world's ills and i think many of the world's iiislnesv— and i think many of the world's iiislnesv ei— and i think many of the world's ills most of world's ills or most of the world's vens-s— ills or most of the world's world's-caused. world's ills are caused by veiigien— world's ills are caused by veiigien .— world's ills are caused by veiigien . in— world's ills are caused by religion , in fact, by warring religion, in fact, by warring veiigiens— religion, in fact, by warring veiigiens .— religion, in fact, by warring religions . and— religion, in fact, by warring religions . and but people seem religions. and but people seem to religions. and but people seem e se— religions. and but people seem to be fantastically sensitive esens— to be fantastically sensitive eienv iv.— to be fantastically sensitive about it. and— to be fantastically sensitive about it. and perhaps it veniin-v— about it. and perhaps it wouldn't be— about it. and perhaps it wouldn't be me, but it was a gveev— wouldn't be me, but it was a gveei niiv— wouldn't be me, but it was a gveei niiv ii— wouldn't be me, but it was a gveei niiv i ii— wouldn't be me, but it was a great pity if it wasn't made iesense— great pity if it wasn't made iesense iv— great pity if it wasn't made because it was— great pity if it wasn't made because it was genuinely funny. i because it was genuinely funny. i een-v— because it was genuinely funny. i een-v vnev— because it was genuinely funny. i don't know whether i have. i sen-v— i don't know whether i have. i sen-v veii— i don't know whether i have. i can't tell whether— i don't know whether i have. i can't tell whether the humour venis— can't tell whether the humour venii sienn— can't tell whether the humour would stand up— can't tell whether the humour would stand up with with with the - generation - would stand up with with with the - generation or - the younger generation or millennials_ the younger generation or millennials z. 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difference does that make? and i inns—nev- difference does that make? and i vninv—nev-ivi think the woke mob now hate it for think the woke mob now hate it eveesen-— think the woke mob now hate it for reason, whereas for that reason, whereas nveviensiv— for that reason, whereas previously it— for that reason, whereas previously it was the ultra conservative _ previously it was the ultra conservative religious lobby who previously it was the ultra conser be ive religious lobby who previously it was the ultra conser be againstious lobby who previously it was the ultra conserbe against it,s lobby who previously it was the ultra conserbe against it,s loitheyiho would be against it, but they. seem _morelfavour would be against it, but they- seem _morelfavour of seem to now be more in favour of fee— seem to now be more in favour of ieeese-inse— seem to now be more in favour of free-because they- seem to now be more in favour of free because they just free speech because they just veni— free speech because they just vens-eiiiivv— free speech because they just want - ability to - free speech because they just want ability to have the want the ability to have the iiees— want the ability to have the iiees . — want the ability to have the ideas. anyone— want the ability to have the ideas . ' .. want the ability to have the - ideas . anyone who's not seen it. ideas. anyone who's not seen it. there's also a bit of nudity. if you the full check you want to do the full check list. think chapman is list. i think graham chapman is a shot . that's not a full frontal shot. that's not the only reason i watched it. now you're all staring at me straight. well, do you straight. steel. well, do you think we would be able make think we would be able to make a i you would because it's i think you would because it's christianity. you can what christianity. you can say what you— christianity. you can say what you-christianity- christianity. you can say what you-christianity if. you like about christianity if you— you like about christianity if ven-ve— you like about christianity if venlve ie— you like about christianity if venlve ie iv— you like about christianity if you to do it about islam. you try to do it about islam. i vninv— you try to do it about islam. i think-rather- you try to do it about islam. i think rather different think it'd be a rather different nevev— think it'd be a rather different matter altogether when matter altogether because when life of brian was made, the niesnnenv— life of brian was made, the. blasphemy—been blasphemy laws had just been veneeiei— blasphemy laws had just been repealed-country- blasphemy laws had just been repealed country up repealed in this country up nnvii— repealed in this country up nnvii vne— repealed in this country up until the late— repealed in this country up until the late 60 seconds or eeniv— until the late 60 seconds or eeniv ie— until the late 60 seconds or early 70 seconds. - until the late 60 seconds or early 70 seconds. i can't remember the - early 70 seconds. i can't remember the year remember the exact year iiesnnenv— remember the exact year blasphemy criminal remember the exact year- blasphemy-criminal offence blasphemy was a criminal offence and blasphemy was a criminal offence enilsenii— blasphemy was a criminal offence enilsenii ie— blasphemy was a criminal offence and could be prosecuted. and it could be prosecuted. indeed.— and it could be prosecuted. indeed, there— and it could be prosecuted. indeed, there was a famous iiesnnenv— indeed, there was a famous blasphemy case— indeed, there was a famous blasphemy case in the 1960s, vnisn— blasphemy case in the 1960s, vnisn ves— blasphemy case in the 1960s, which was invented by the sensvv— which was invented by the courts, actually— which was invented by the courts, actually a conspiracy to sevvnnv— courts, actually a conspiracy to sevvnni nniiis— courts, actually a conspiracy to corrupt public morals and all vnev— corrupt public morals and all me ves— corrupt public morals and all that was done— corrupt public morals and all that was done away with. and so vneve-s— that was done away with. and so vneve-s vnis— that was done away with. and so there's this great— that was done away with. and so there's this great nina can remember it,— there's this great nina can remember it, i'm sure a great

ieeiing— remember it, i'm sure a great ieeiing ei— remember it, i'm sure a great feeling of liberation in the 60 seconds, following 1968, when i gnev— seconds, following 1968, when i gvev nn— seconds, following 1968, when i gvev nn. ven— seconds, following 1968, when i grew up, you know, i was in my ieve— grew up, you know, i was in my ieve veens— grew up, you know, i was in my late teens, early— grew up, you know, i was in my late teens, early 20s, and it e gveev— late teens, early 20s, and it was a great time- late teens, early 20s, and it was a great time to be alive. vies.— was a great time to be alive. vieii. ineve— was a great time to be alive. well, there was— was a great time to be alive. well, there was the- was a great time to be alive. well, there was the hair- was a great time to be alive. well, there was the hair was on the musical stage and people appearing naked on stage. so that was everybody felt there was a there was a really sort of, as you say, a liberation, a kind of dropping of shoulders and dropping clothes, and perhaps dropping of clothes, you you have to you know, so, yeah, you have to do on channel 4. and up do that on channel 4. and up next, hundreds— do that on channel 4. and up next, hundreds of— do that on channel 4. and up next, hundreds of uk- v:viv ,. and up next, hundreds of uk businesses are next, hundreds of uk businesses eiienniing— next, hundreds of uk businesses are attempting recruit new are attempting to recruit new sievi— are attempting to recruit new sveii-nevvs— are attempting to recruit new staff-perks of- are attempting to recruit new staff-perks of an- are attempting to recruit new staff perks of an early staff with perks of an early iinisn— staff with perks of an early iinisn en— staff with perks of an early finish oanriday- staff with perks of an early finish on friday in their post finish on a friday in their post seviie— finish on a friday in their post covid recovery— finish on a friday in their post covid recovery companies are vying— covid recovery companies are tryinglcoax_ covid recovery companies are trying coax younger staff who trying to coax younger staff who nvievivise— trying to coax younger staff who prioritise their— trying to coax younger staff who prioritise their-life- prioritise their work life ieiense — prioritise their work life balance perks like prioritise their work life - balance .perks like extended balance with perks like extended veekenis— balance with perks like extended veekenis ievs— balance with perks like extended weekends, days off on your iinniev— weekends, days off on your sinneev eni— weekends, days off on your birthday and being allowed to eveni— birthday and being allowed to attend summer— birthday and being allowed to attend summer festivals. so a sen— attend summer festivals. so a sen z— attend summer festivals. so a sen z lazy— attend summer festivals. so a sen z iesv ev— attend summer festivals. so a gen z lazy or are— attend summer festivals. so a gen z lazy or are they just viiiing— gen z lazy or are they just viiiing ve— gen z lazy or are they just willing to fight— gen z lazy or are they just willing to fight for workers vignvs— willing to fight for workers vignvs ve— willing to fight for workers rights to our— willing to fight for workers rights to our effectively millennial— rights to our effectively millennial gen z? whatever the vein— millennial gen z? whatever the nevi venis— millennial gen z? whatever the word would be?— millennial gen z? whatever the word would be? if— millennial gen z? whatever the word would be? if i put those vve— word would be? if i put those vve venis— word would be? if i put those two words together, it will senni — two words together, it will senni iive — two words together, it will sound like a— two words together, it will sound like a flower. zahawi xeniei.— sound like a flower. zahawi xenial. some— sound like a flower. zahawi xenial. some of— sound like a flower. zahawi xenial. some of those a young neenie— xenial. some of those a young neenie lazy— xenial. some of those a young neenie iesv. — xenial. some of those a young neenie iesv. i— xenial. some of those a young people lazy . xenial. some of those a young people lazy. c people lazy. i think that it's not so much laziness, it's that

you get less for your money nowadays. look at the nowadays. so they look at the housing market i'm never housing market and go, i'm never going able to afford to going to be able to afford to buy a house what's the buy a house anyway. what's the point working the hours buy a house anyway. what's the poinsendsirking the hours buy a house anyway. what's the poin sends when the hours buy a house anyway. what's the poin sends when the the hours buy a house anyway. what's the poin sends when the quality rs buy a house anyway. what's the poin sends when the quality of god sends when the quality of life the of living has life and the cost of living has reduced gone such reduced or gone up to such a degree that spend hours and degree that you spend hours and hours office you see hours in the office and you see no payback all? i think 50 no payback at all? i think 50 years ago you work a years ago you could work a pretty you could pretty standard job. you could work a 9 to 5 job, you could afford to buy a house and a car and live life, get and live a good life, get married, settle nowadays married, settle down. nowadays i think that as of think people see that as out of touch they touch for most people and they 90, touch for most people and they go, might as well enjoy go, well, we might as well enjoy our are doing what our lives. are they doing what many generations tried many generations have tried to do actually stand up for do and actually stand up for workers but they workers rights? but they nveieiiv— workers rights? but they probably-doing- workers rights? but they probably-doing it- . g 257 but they probably doing it more probably are doing it more successfully? _ probably are doing it more successfully? venice probably are doing it more successfully? g successfully? well, the thing is, the start, the is, the for a start, the pandemic lot of pandemic changed a lot of people's ideas about work and work life balance. when people were home and were able to stay at home and still work , then they could you still work, then they could you know, they put their head up over parapet and thought, oh over the parapet and thought, oh , this is a different way of living, know. the living, you know. and the thing is, traditionally, you know, in london particularly, we've worked almost every

worked harder than almost every other we stay longer other nation. we stay longer hours and, you know, and spending far too long in the office. having said that, there is kind of a ethic in me is a kind of a work ethic in me that that makes me want to shake them basically say, oh, for god's sake, you know , it's god's sake, you know, it's wonderful . and you do need to wonderful. and you do need to have employers who take note of what you need and we're not exactly in the era of , you know, exactly in the era of, you know, children being shoved up a chimney , you know, victorian chimney, you know, victorian era. so we do need proper workers rights. we do need that. and we seem to have them. but but this is sort of how do they get the money to be able to pick and choose ? will i take this job and choose? will i take this job or not? i'll take this job if we've got beanbags in the office or a ping pong table or is this not one of the effects of having such low unemployment that you do then get the ability to pick and a bit suppose and choose a bit more? i suppose that's one and choose a bit more? i suppose vnev-s ei— and choose a bit more? i suppose that's one of the— and choose a bit more? i suppose that's one of the things. - iv: i c 7 i suppose that's one of the things. but, buts— that's one of the things. but, env. env— that's one of the things. but, env. in ii— that's one of the things. but, but, but it also— that's one of the things. but, but, but it also it— that's one of the things. but, but, but it also it seems to me that this particular generation brought by generation brought up by by the generation below mine has been brought up

to expect far more . i mean, i to expect far more. i mean, i knew i'd get to blame, be blamed somehow . exactly. it's all your somehow. exactly. it's all your fault. the thing is, when you when you say that you know, you don't have you know , i don't have you know, i understand that not being able to get on the property ladder, but you've also enjoyed far more in terms of eating out in restaurants, having continental holidays, all that sort of stuff that we didn't we didn't have. i think we did not have that . we think we did not have that. we didn't have stuff to spend our money on. i think we had depnved money on. i think we had deprived childhoods, didn't we? it's to compare that, it's hard to compare that, vnengn— it's hard to compare that, though, have though, because you don't have vissevei—ei- though, because you don't have visceral—of what- though, because you don't have visceral—of what it. visceral knowledge of what it vise— visceral knowledge of what it iive in— visceral knowledge of what it was like in-past.- visceral knowledge of what it was like in past. no, you was like in the past. no, you sen-v— was like in the past. no, you sens—e- was like in the past. no, you can't—a house, can't possibly owns a house, in — can't possibly owns a house, in men— can't possibly owns a house, but. .you can't.- can't possibly owns a house, but. .you can't. but- can't possibly owns a house, but. vii c but. but you can't. but you can't. you can't see it because you it. but you haven't experienced it. but it's dull. ithink you haven't experienced it. but it's dull. i think steve it's very dull. i think steve nes-vis— c viii: v: i think steve was it's fundamentally was right. it's fundamentally supply— was right. it's fundamentally snnniv eni— was right. it's fundamentally supply arid-that- supply and demand that in seven— supply and demand that in certain companies there's more nignev— certain companies there's more nignev ieneni— certain companies there's more higher demand than supply of ieienn— higher demand than supply of ieienn se— higher demand than supply of labour. so they're offering vnese— labour. so they're offering these incentives and i suppose snev-s— these incentives and i suppose vnev-s eivevs— these incentives and i suppose that's always gone on to a gveevev— that's always gone on to a gveevev ev— that's always gone on to a greater or lesser extent. i mean, i've never really had a

nvenev— mean, i've never really had a pfopefj'obv_ mean, i've never really had a properi'obe se— mean, i've never really had a properjob, so i'm— mean, i've never really had a properjob, so i'm not really qualifiedv_ properjob, so i'm not really qualified, i've— properjob, so i'm not really qualified, i've never had a nvenev— qualified, i've never had a properi'ob-_ qualified, i've never had a nveneviei. ven— qualified, i've never had a properjob. you know, we've been seiv-ennievei— properjob. you know, we've been self—employed_our. self—employed for most of our iives— self—employed for most of our iives-ieesv— self—employed for most of our lives,-least in— lives, or at least in professions- lives, or at least in professions where we, we, lives, or at least in- professions where we, we, we lives, or at least in— professions where we, we, we had to, professions where we, we, we had e e — professions where we, we, we had e e vevv— professions where we, we, we had e e vevv ve— professions where we, we, we had e e vevv ve .— professions where we, we, we had e e vevv ve . ve— professions where we, we, we had to, to work to , to, to— professions where we, we, we had to, to work to , to, to do the to, to work to, to, to do the job.— to, to work to, to, to do the iei. inv— to, to work to, to, to do the iei: env vevv— to, to work to, to, to do the job, but work long the hours vnisn— job, but work long the hours vnisn vne— job, but work long the hours which the job— job, but work long the hours which the job require . and i've which the job require. and i've nene— which the job require. and i've iene vnis— which the job require. and i've iene vnis in— which the job require. and i've done this in the— which the job require. and i've done this in the law in show insiness— done this in the law in show insiness es— done this in the law in show business as well— done this in the law in show business as well as in politics. is— business as well as in politics. is ven— business as well as in politics. is ven vnev— business as well as in politics. is ven snev nv— business as well as in politics. it's you know my time was, in a sense, my own obviously , there sense, my own obviously, there vixen— sense, my own obviously, there were fixed points— sense, my own obviously, there were fixed points in the day . were fixed points in the day. snv— were fixed points in the day. env ii— were fixed points in the day. env ii ineve— were fixed points in the day. but if there was— were fixed points in the day. but if there was a job to be nene.— but if there was a job to be nene. iv— but if there was a job to be gene. is nei— but if there was a job to be done, it had to— but if there was a job to be done, it had to be done by a seven— done, it had to be done by a certain time.— done, it had to be done by a certain time. however many hours in vne— certain time. however many hours in he iev— certain time. however many hours in he iev ven— certain time. however many hours in the day you had— certain time. however many hours in the day you had to work. you did in the day you had to work. you iii iv.— in the day you had to work. you iii iv. insi— in the day you had to work. you did it. just do— in the day you had to work. you did it. just do .and- in the day you had to work. you did it. just do 'v: did it. just do it. and the supply and demand is reason supply and demand is the reason why there being why i insist on there being a beanbag erg in my dressing room and that's more for medical reasons. i should on before and that's more for medical reasonsinto hould on before and that's more for medical reasonsinto the d on before and that's more for medical reasonsinto the details on before and that's more for medical reasonsinto the details ofi before and that's more for medical reasonsinto the details of that. re we get into the details of that. now, me i sound a bit now, forgive me if i sound a bit old here but old fashioned here again, but i thought a baby was thought that when a baby was born, responsible thing to born, the responsible thing to do was to create a savings account your bundle account for your new bundle of joy- joy. but apparently that style of is way outdated. of parenting is way outdated. what you should doing is what you should be doing is creating a name for your creating a domain name for your newborns. parents are creating social accounts, website

social media accounts, website domains to give their infants the edge . so are they setting the edge. so are they setting them with preparation for the them up with preparation for the modern world, or are these parents fools ? as neil, parents simply fools? as neil, i'll turn to you on that one. do you have your own web address? no. yes and no. i suppose i een-v— no. yes and no. i suppose i een-v neve— no. yes and no. i suppose i een-v neve e— no. yes and no. i suppose i don't have a personal website , don't have a personal website, inv— don't have a personal website, in ei— don't have a personal website, in ei sense— don't have a personal website, but of course back— don't have a personal website, but of course back then. c7’ but of course back then. is it? nne— but of course back then. is it? nne vein— but of course back then. is it? nne veii. ei— but of course back then. is it? but well, of course— but of course back then. is it? but well, of course i have a website as as the leader of ukip and we have social media accounts. christine has her own. sne-s— accounts. christine has her own. sne-s vevv— accounts. christine has her own. she's very active— accounts. christine has her own. she's very active on— ii christine has her own. she's very active on twitter and so on, much more— she's very active on twitter and so on, much more so than i am nevseneiiv— so on, much more so than i am nevseneiiv eei.— so on, much more so than i am personally obe. and i suppose it is vne— personally obe. and i suppose it is he vev— personally obe. and i suppose it is he vev ei— personally obe. and i suppose it is the way of the— personally obe. and i suppose it is the way of the modern world, eivnengn— is the way of the modern world, eivnengn i— is the way of the modern world, although i must— is the way of the modern world, although i must say it seems vevnen— although i must say it seems rather peculiar— although i must say it seems rather peculiar to do this in vne— rather peculiar to do this in he vev— rather peculiar to do this in he vev inev— rather peculiar to do this in the way that people used to put vneiv— the way that people used to put their children— the way that people used to put their children down for eating as soon as they— their children down for eating as soon as they were born. i snnnese— as soon as they were born. i snnnese snev-s— as soon as they were born. i suppose that's different . �*vivii�*iic suppose that's different. what do suppose that's different. what is ven— suppose that's different. what is ven thinks— suppose that's different. what do you think? i— suppose that's different. what do you think? i mean , we are do you think? i mean, we are living in a social media world. the future might even be more like it. maybe there wise. i just think it's idiotic, basically. _ just think it's idiotic, basically. i- just think it's idiotic, basically. i mean, you know , just think it's idiotic,— basically. i mean, you know , mum basically. i mean, you know, mum on basically. i mean, you know, mum en insvegven— basically. i mean, you know, mum on instagram the— basically. i mean, you know, mum on instagram the whole time , you

on instagram the whole time, you snev.— on instagram the whole time, you knew. veving— on instagram the whole time, you know, taking photographs of the eeiv— know, taking photographs of the neev eni— know, taking photographs of the baby and sending— know, taking photographs of the baby and sending out to the baby and sending it out to the eevnen— baby and sending it out to the eevnen iv-s— baby and sending it out to the aether, it's just— baby and sending it out to the aether, it's just i— baby and sending it out to the aether, it's just i find it the vneie— aether, it's just i find it the vneie vning— aether, it's just i find it the whole thing is— aether, it's just i find it the whole thing is narcissistic and iiievis. — whole thing is narcissistic and iiievis. ani— whole thing is narcissistic and idiotic. and the— whole thing is narcissistic and idiotic. and the point being vnev— idiotic. and the point being me iv— idiotic. and the point being in iv vne— idiotic. and the point being that by the time their children are that by the time their children gvevn ni— that by the time their children are grown up able to take are grown up or able to take eivenvege— are grown up or able to take eiveniege ei— are grown up or able to take advantage of, say, a domain name , advantage of, say, a domain name .vnese— advantage of, say, a domain name .vnese vnings— advantage of, say, a domain name , these things will— advantage of, say, a domain name , these things will be outdated . inev-ii— , these things will be outdated . inev-ii neve— , these things will be outdated . they'll have moved on to senevning— . they'll have moved on to something else— . they'll have moved on to something else .- . they'll have moved on to something else . and the other something else. and the other vning— something else. and the other vning is— something else. and the other vning is. i— something else. and the other thing is, i read— something else. and the other thing is, i read this, the one woman who'd— thing is, i read this, the one woman who'd done this for her, her woman who'd done this for her, nev nev— woman who'd done this for her, nev nev ieiv-s— woman who'd done this for her, her her baby's had— woman who'd done this for her, her her baby's had a teenage se— her her baby's had a teenage se vne— her her baby's had a teenage son. so the teenage son wouldn't vensn— son. so the teenage son wouldn't vensn vne— son. so the teenage son wouldn't touch the personal— son. so the teenage son wouldn't touch the personal name because vnev— touch the personal name because vnev seii— touch the personal name because he seii inev— touch the personal name because they said they were— touch the personal name because they said they were giving away too:— they said they were giving away vee. vee— they said they were giving away vee. vee. vee— they said they were giving away too, too, too much— they said they were giving away too, too, too much private information— too, too, too much private information ,_ too, too, too much private information , too much, too, too information, too much, too, too nenv— information, too much, too, too nenv ieveiis— information, too much, too, too nenv ieveiis .— information, too much, too, too many details . and— information, too much, too, too many details . and i think that's many details. and i think that's vnev-s— many details. and i think that's what's happened— many details. and i think that's what's happened with the whole of what's happened with the whole ei sesiei— what's happened with the whole of social media. _ what's happened with the whole of social media. people have insi— of social media. people have insv—veve- of social media. people have insv—veve iv- of social media. people have just_ have it all| just gone. blurt have it all vivnenv— just gone. blurt have it all without realising what they're giving — without realising what they're giving-.— without realising what they're giving-. veen. - without realising what they're giving .yeah, i giving away. yeah. benjamin vnv— giving away. yeah. benjamin you've got the same take on that then. yeah, away too much then. yeah, i give away too much info. ithink then. yeah, i give away too much info. i think it's wrong because at info. i think it's wrong because ev—vne— info. i think it's wrong because ev—vne iev.- info. i think it's wrong because ev—vne iev. vne- at the end of the day, the sniiiven— at the end of the day, the children, when— at the end of the day, the children, when they get old enengn.— children, when they get old enengn inev— children, when they get old enough, they can that for enough, they can do that for vnenseives— enough, they can do that for themselves and— enough, they can do that for themselves and creating senevning— something for them. and you snev.— something for them. and you snev—en- something for them. and you- know,_on tiktok know, people who have on tiktok eivevs— know, people who have on tiktok always—children,- always videoing their children, some—massive- always videoing their children,i some—massive viral. some of them go massive viral. ven— some of them go massive viral. ven-gveving- some of them go massive viral.

ven-gveving ni- some of them go massive viral. you growing up and you imagine growing up and finding— you imagine growing up and finding-vnev— you imagine growing up and finding that you're a viral finding out that you're a viral senseievn— finding out that you're a viral sensevien—egei finding out that you're a viral- sensation_ago and sensation from ten years ago and vne— sensation from ten years ago and ven-ve-ne— sensation from ten years ago and ven-ve-ne sev— sensation from ten years ago and ven-ve-ne sev in— sensation from ten years ago and you've-no say in the- sensation from ten years ago and you've no say in the matter you've had no say in the matter vveseevenvv. — you've had no say in the matter vveseevenvv. i— you've had no say in the matter whatsoever. i just— you've had no say in the matter whatsoever. i just think that ieeiie— whatsoever. i just think that ieeiie snenii— whatsoever. i just think that people should live people should learn to live vnei— people should learn to live vneiv—vivni their lives personally with the ieeiie— their lives personally with the ieeiie-vnen- their lives personally with the people them rather than people around them rather than neving— people around them rather than neving ve— people around them rather than having to overshare everything on having to overshare everything en-neiie. — having to overshare everything en-neiie-i- having to overshare everything on-media.-i do- having to overshare everything on media. i do think on social media. and i do think sniiiven— on social media. and i do think sniiiven ven— on social media. and i do think children, you know, do it with veni— children, you know, do it with venv—venv- children, you know, do it with venv—venv venvl your breakfast or your your ivienis— your breakfast or your your ivienis .— your breakfast or your your friends , but— your breakfast or your your friends , but your kids, i think, friends, but your kids, i think, snenii— friends, but your kids, i think, snenii ie— friends, but your kids, i think, should be protected . ' v: friends, but your kids, i think, should be protected . ' iv: ”i’iii: should be protected. and there is-e— should be protected. and there is-e shing— should be protected. and there is a thing too much is such a thing as too much information, isn't there? yeah. is such a thing as too much inf so nation, isn't there? yeah. is such a thing as too much inf so nation differenttre? yeah. is such a thing as too much inf so nation different ways. h. is such a thing as too much inf so nation different ways. the in so many different ways. the point of about the things- i�* v: the point of about the things will snenge— point of about the things will snengelii— point of about the things will change if somehow instagram change is if somehow instagram viii— change is if somehow instagram viii-ie— change is if somehow instagram viii-ie in— change is if somehow instagram will-be in the— change is if somehow instagram will-be in the-in- change is if somehow instagram will-be in the-in 18- will still be in the top in 18 veevs— will still be in the top in 18 veevs vine.— will still be in the top in 18 years time, would be like years time, it would be like nevning— years time, it would be like nevningle— years time, it would be like nothing-a child.- nothing to a child. well, congratulations here's your congratulations. here's your vein.— congratulations. here's your- vein—eeivess congratulations. here's your- 18th._address . 18th. here's a myspace address. inegine—viii- 18th. here's a myspace address. inegine—viii ge| imagine how well that will go eenn.— imagine how well that will go eenn-sening— imagine how well that will go down. coming next, we're down. well coming up next, we're to down. well coming up next, we're ve veiving— down. well coming up next, we're to talking commander of the invisi— to talking commander of the british empire— to talking commander of the british empire business woman, tv british empire business woman, iv sien— british empire business woman, iv svev. ani— british empire business woman, tv star. and-round- british empire business woman, tv star. and round superstar tv star. and all round superstar iesse— tv star. and all round superstar tessa hartmann— tv star. and all round superstar tessa hartmann .— tv star. and all round superstar tessa hartmann . we'll see you .

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welcome back to mark dolan tonight . with me, stephen allen. tonight. with me, stephen allen. inis— tonight. with me, stephen allen. inis is— tonight. with me, stephen allen. inis is vne— tonight. with me, stephen allen. inis is he ien— tonight. with me, stephen allen. this is the part of— tonight. with me, stephen allen. this is the part of the show in vnisn— this is the part of the show in vnisn i— this is the part of the show in vnisn i gei— this is the part of the show in vnisn i gev ve— this is the part of the show in which i get to speak to the iiggesv— which i get to speak to the biggest names— which i get to speak to the biggest names in the world of penis— biggest names in the world of politics, showbiz— biggest names in the world of politics, showbiz sport, insiness— politics, showbiz sport, business beyond. tonight business and beyond. tonight it's business and beyond. tonight iv-s—vvenenl it's a real wonder woman enveviienenv— it's a real wonder woman entrepreneur personality, entrepreneur, tv personality, iesnien— entrepreneur, tv personality, iesnien-.— entrepreneur, tv personality, fashion-, and,- entrepreneur, tv personality, fashion-, and, of- entrepreneur, tv personality, fashion , and, of course, fashion expert, and, of course, sevnvnenevi ei— fashion expert, and, of course, commander of the— fashion expert, and, of course, commander of the british empire _esse— commander of the british empire ._tessa hartmann. commander of the british empire ._tessa hartmann .| . i'm joined by tessa hartmann. iesse— . i'm joined by tessa hartmann. tessa, welcome— . i'm joined by tessa hartmann. tessa, welcome to— . i'm joined by tessa hartmann. tessa, welcome to mark dolan ienignv— tessa, welcome to mark dolan ienignv . — tessa, welcome to mark dolan tonight . thank— tessa, welcome to mark dolan tonight . tessa, welcome to mark dolan. tonight . thank-thank you tonight. thank you. thank you for me. let's tonight. thank you. thank you for me . let's start right for having me. let's start right iess— for having me. let's start right iess-ieginning- for having me. let's start right back-beginning and- i; let's start right back beginning and let's back at the beginning and let's not back at the beginning and let's nes-vee— back at the beginning and let's not-too . back. _ back at the beginning and let's not.too.back. you- back at the beginning and let's not too back. you can not go too far back. you can veii— not go too far back. you cani tell—childhood not go too far back. you can. tell—childhood if tell us about your childhood if you— tell us about your childhood if ven-vnen— tell us about your childhood if you-then getting- tell us about your childhood if you then getting into you want, but then getting into insiness— you want, but then getting into insiness eni— you want, but then getting into business and having that nenveiivv— business and having that nenveiivv .— business and having that mentality . early on, we were mentality. early on, we were insi— mentality. early on, we were insi ieiving— mentality. early on, we were just talking work ethic. i just talking about work ethic. i sen-.— just talking about work ethic. i see. ves— just talking about work ethic. i sev. ves. se— just talking about work ethic. i saw-, yes. so into- just talking about work ethic. i saw , yes. so into the saw that, yes. so into the reason that— saw that, yes. so into the reason that you're different. vein— reason that you're different. wen i— reason that you're different. well, i 100. you— reason that you're different. will �*00 you know, my i come well, i 100. you know, my i come vnen— well, i 100. you know, my i come iven nv— well, i 100. you know, my i come iven nv vevnen— well, i 100. you know, my i come from my father came— will �*00 you know, my i come from my father came from very nnniie— from my father came from very humble roots— from my father came from very humble roots in— from my father came from very humble roots in glasgow and very vevving— humble roots in glasgow and very vevving sessi— humble roots in glasgow and very working class, left— humble roots in glasgow and very working class, left school at is. — working class, left school at is. se— working class, left school at is. se i— working class, left school at in. se i gvev— working class, left school at 14. so i grew up- working class, left school at 14. l i: i. :.v g“ .iv ivii working class, left school at- 14. so i grew up with a man who built a business and had the most incredible work ethic. and i think, you know, i've got- i think, you know, i've got four sniiiven— i think, you know, i've got four children now,— i think, you know, i've got four children now, and— i think, you know, i've got four children now, and if there's envvning— children now, and if there's envining i— children now, and if there's envining i vvv— children now, and if there's anything i try to teach them, its— anything i try to teach them, is ie— anything i try to teach them, is e neve— anything i try to teach them, it's to have that— anything i try to teach them, it's to have that hunger, that huge,— it's to have that hunger, that huge—n,- it's to have that hunger, that hustle,_it, in- it's to have that hunger, that hustle,_it, in the. hustle, as we call it, in the ieniiv. — hustle, as we call it, in the family. yeah,— hustle, as we call it, in the family. yeah, just- hustle, as we call it, in the family. /viii�* . family. yeah, just to learn your craft, to work hard and to keep

going. so absolutely. that's definitely, i think- going. so absolutely. that's definitely, i think it's- gviv i; that's definitely, i think it's a very ssevvisn— definitely, i think it's a very scottish thing— definitely, i think it's a very scottish thing . _ definitely, i think it's a very scottish thing . /viv. scottish thing. you know, i think people that come from the regions always have to hustle harder , you know, because london harder, you know, because london is this fantastic metropolis and everything happens here and the opportunities great. and opportunities are great. and sometimes there's opportunities are great. and. sometimes there's-many sometimes there's not so many eniennnivies— sometimes there's not so many opportunities outside . and so opportunities outside. and so vne— opportunities outside. and so ven-ve-ve— opportunities outside. and so you've to struggle and you've got to struggle and nnsvie—venl you've got to struggle and. hustle _you can hustle a bit harder. you can esineiiv— hustle a bit harder. you can actually teach the hustle hunger to someone who's not hungry because if your backgrounds are genuinely you know, a working class background, there will be something in there that's intangible. so to just intangible. so trying to just pass to i'm presuming pass that on to i'm presuming your had a your children have had quite a comfortable upbringing. how comfortable upbringing. yes. how do same well, do you teach that same well, they're i mean, they're very lucky. i mean, i was lucky they're very lucky. i mean, i was-lucky-you i they're very lucky. i mean, i. was-lucky-you know, was very lucky when, you know, my vevnen— was very lucky when, you know, my vevnen seni— was very lucky when, you know, my father sent me— was very lucky when, you know, my father sent me to good ssneeis. — my father sent me to good ssneeis. ve— my father sent me to good schools. he looked after me. he my father sent me to good schocmehe looked after me. he my father sent me to good schoc me you )oked after me. he my father sent me to good schoc me you know, after me. he my father sent me to good schocme you know, iter me. he my father sent me to good schocme you know, i owene. he gave me you know, i owe evevvining— gave me you know, i owe evenining ie— gave me you know, i owe everything to him. but because of everything to him. but because ei nev— everything to him. but because ei nev nevi— everything to him. but because of how hard he— everything to him. but because of how hard he worked, you know , of how hard he worked, you know . veni— of how hard he worked, you know evour sniiiven— of how hard he worked, you know , your children learn from you. they— , your children learn from you. inev-iveevne— , your children learn from you. they-breathe from - , your children learn from you. they breathe from you. they they also breathe from you. they you they also breathe from you. they ven—piss— they also breathe from you. they ven—piss iv— they also breathe from you. they ven—piss iv nn- they also breathe from you. they you—pick it up. you. you know, they pick it up. you knew.— you know, they pick it up. you knew. snev-ve — you know, they pick it up. you know, they're resilient. and so for know, they're resilient. and so iev-vies.— know, they're resilient. and so iev-vies. i— know, they're resilient. and so for-kids, i had— know, they're resilient. and so for kids, i had them working for my kids, i had them working in nv— for my kids, i had them working in my eiiise— for my kids, i had them working in my eiiise. i— for my kids, i had them working in my office. i mean, my girls eeve—ieng- in my office. i mean, my girls were, being runners were, you know, being runners vnen— were, you know, being runners vnen-veve— were, you know, being runners when -were from -

were, you know, being runners when were from ten, 11, 12. when they were from ten, 11, 12. so when they were from ten, 11, 12. se iv— when they were from ten, 11, 12. se iv-vine— when they were from ten, 11, 12. se iv-vine vnev— when they were from ten, 11, 12. so by time they were 14, 15, so by the time they were 14, 15, you— so by the time they were 14, 15, ven snev. — so by the time they were 14, 15, ven snev. vnev— so by the time they were 14, 15, you know, that work you you know, that work ethic, you knew.— you know, that work ethic, you snev-neve — you know, that work ethic, you know, were working every know, they were working every snnnev—nei- know, they were working every. summer—had extra summer holiday. they had extra ieis. — summer holiday. they had extra ieis. _e— summer holiday. they had extra jobs. _to realise- summer holiday. they had extra jobs. _to realise the. jobs. they had to realise the veins— jobs. they had to realise the veinelnenev— jobs. they had to realise the value money and yes, i think value of money and yes, i think i value of money and yes, i think i vninv— value of money and yes, i think i vninv ven— value of money and yes, i think i think you can— value of money and yes, i think i think you can teach that. inev-s— i think you can teach that. that's-least— i think you can teach that. that's least been my husband i think you can teach that. thati's least been my husband i think you can teach that. thati's goalist been my husband i think you can teach that. thati's goal. been my husband i think you can teach that. thati's goal. jvivvn my husband i think you can teach that. thati's goal . jviv viviiy husband i think you can teach that. thati's goal. jviv :;band i think you can teach that. thati's goal. jviv : nd i think you can teach that.- thati's goal. do we need to call and 1's goal. do we need to call anyone about them being forced to work? no i'm sure it was all above board. no, actually, you snev.— above board. no, actually, you know, - because - know, it's true because one of vne— know, it's true because one of sne-i— know, it's true because one of sne-inni- know, it's true because one of sne-inns vne- the events i set up, the ssevvisn— the events i set up, the scottish fashion awards and i came across this— scottish fashion awards and i came across this picture of my vve— came across this picture of my vve gins— came across this picture of my vve gins-vei- came across this picture of my two girls red carpet with two girls on the red carpet with iivvie— two girls on the red carpet with little lanyards— two girls on the red carpet with little lanyards and a clipboard two girls on the red carpet with liand lanyards and a clipboard two girls on the red carpet with liand theyirds and a clipboard two girls on the red carpet with liand theyirds andaboutiboard two girls on the red carpet with liand theyirds andabout ten. �*d two girls on the red carpet with liand theyirds andabout ten. and , and they looked about ten. and i , and they looked about ten. and i-gesn— , and they looked about ten. and i-gesn vnev— , and they looked about ten. and i-gesn sin is- , and they looked about ten. and i-gosh, that is quite- i thought, gosh, that is quite vnev— i thought, gosh, that is quite vnev ves— i thought, gosh, that is quite that was maybe _ i thought, gosh, that is quite that was maybe a little bit too venng— that was maybe a little bit too venng. inv— that was maybe a little bit too venng. ini ven— that was maybe a little bit too young. but you know what? they ievn— young. but you know what? they ievn vnev— young. but you know what? they ievn vnev ee— young. but you know what? they both they are hungrier than ever . inev— both they are hungrier than ever . inev vevv— both they are hungrier than ever . they work harder— both they are hungrier than ever . they work harder ever. so . they work harder than ever. so vnevevev— . they work harder than ever. so vnevevev i— . they work harder than ever. so whatever i did,— . they work harder than ever. so whatever i did, it— . they work harder than ever. so whatever i did, it must have ieen— whatever i did, it must have ieen evi— whatever i did, it must have been all right.— whatever i did, it must have been all right. and it must have ieii— been all right. and it must have eeie-enevnen— been all right. and it must have paid-another way- been all right. and it must have paid another way well, paid off in another way as well, iesense—vivi- paid off in another way as well, because—with a- paid off in another way as well,i because—with a cbe. because you end up with a cbe. ves. — because you end up with a cbe. ves. se— because you end up with a cbe. ves. se vnev— because you end up with a cbe. yes. so what was— because you end up with a cbe. yes. so what was that— because you end up with a cbe. yes. so what was that like?- because you end up with a cbe. yes. so what was that like? how do you find out about it and how do you find out about it and how do now? because that's do you feel now? because that's it a level of it must mark a level of achievement where you can to achievement where you can get to look go, actually, look back and go, actually, i can i've achieved. i can see what i've achieved. i think it's probably one- i“ i think it's probably one of the iveniesv— think it's probably one of the proudest moments my proudest moments in my life. i

vninv— proudest moments in my life. i inns-eniv— proudest moments in my life. i think only saddest part think the only saddest part eienv— think the only saddest part. about—wasn't think the only saddest part- about_wasn't alive about it was my mum wasn't alive to about it was my mum wasn't alive ve-iv— about it was my mum wasn't alive ve-iv-i— about it was my mum wasn't alive ve-iv-i iess— about it was my mum wasn't alive to-it-i lost her— about it was my mum wasn't alive to-it-i lost her when- to see it and i lost her when i is— to see it and i lost her when i is eni— to see it and i lost her when i is eni nv— to see it and i lost her when i was 43 and my parents were vnenevvs— was 43 and my parents were mentors-icons- was 43 and my parents were mentors icons and but i set mentors and icons and but i set up mentors and icons and but i set ni vne— mentors and icons and but i set up the scottish— mentors and icons and but i set up the scottish fashion awards. i up the scottish fashion awards. i venvei— up the scottish fashion awards. i venvei ve— up the scottish fashion awards. i wanted to showcase the best veienv— i wanted to showcase the best veienv vnev— i wanted to showcase the best talent that we— i wanted to showcase the best talent that we have in scotland eni— talent that we have in scotland eni snine— talent that we have in scotland and shinellight_ talent that we have in scotland and shinellight on— talent that we have in scotland and shine light on that. and and shine a light on that. and the and shine a light on that. and he ininsvvv— and shine a light on that. and the industry and— and shine a light on that. and the industry and textiles manufacture— the industry and textiles manufacture .- the industry and textiles manufacture . so i've always , you manufacture. so i've always, you snev.— manufacture. so i've always, you knew. vnei— manufacture. so i've always, you knew. vviei ve— manufacture. so i've always, you know, tried to give— manufacture. so i've always, you know, tried to give back . and know, tried to give back. and in — know, tried to give back. and in se— know, tried to give back. and i'm so impressed— know, tried to give back. and i'm so impressed by creativity eni— i'm so impressed by creativity eni veienv— i'm so impressed by creativity and talent and— i'm so impressed by creativity and talent and actually the craftsmanship— and talent and actually the craftsmanship that isn't really eenni— craftsmanship that isn't really around so often— craftsmanship that isn't really around so often now, you know, ieeiie— around so often now, you know, ieeiie vnev— around so often now, you know, people that actually seamstresses and to cut a ievvevn— seamstresses and to cut a ieiievn eni— seamstresses and to cut a pattern and to— seamstresses and to cut a pattern and to learn your trade vies— pattern and to learn your trade viis i— pattern and to learn your trade viis i vninv— pattern and to learn your trade kids i think you— pattern and to learn your trade kids i think you know want evenining— kids i think you know want evenining ie— kids i think you know want everything to happen overnight and everything to happen overnight eni i— everything to happen overnight eni i seen— everything to happen overnight eni i seen e— everything to happen overnight and i spent a long time , you and i spent a long time, you snev.— and i spent a long time, you know, building— and i spent a long time, you know, building that brand and song— know, building that brand and inving ve— know, building that brand and trying to showcase the best of vnev— trying to showcase the best of what scotland _ trying to showcase the best of what scotland has to offer on vne— what scotland has to offer on the - marketplace - what scotland has to offer on the - marketplace .- what scotland has to offer on the marketplace . so to be the global marketplace. so to be vesegnisei— the global marketplace. so to be vesegnisei iev— the global marketplace. so to be recognised for that— the global marketplace. so to be recognised for that was just was insi— recognised for that was just was just unbelievable— recognised for that was just was just unbelievable .— recognised for that was just was just unbelievable . and being in just unbelievable. and being in insvingnen— just unbelievable. and being in buckingham _wow- just unbelievable. and being in buckingham wow , you buckingham palace, wow, you snev.— buckingham palace, wow, you knew. vnev-s— buckingham palace, wow, you know, what's-to - buckingham palace, wow, you know, what's to love? and know, what's not to love? and vvinse — know, what's not to love? and prince - prince - know, what's not to love? and prince prince william prince william prince william geve — prince william prince william geve ne— prince william prince william geve me he — prince william prince william gave me the award. and thought gave me the award. and i thought to gave me the award. and i thought ve nvseii— gave me the award. and i thought ve nvseii .— gave me the award. and i thought ie nvseiv . vvevv— gave me the award. and i thought to myself , wow, you— gave me the award. and i thought to myself , wow, you know, this to myself, wow, you know, this is-invnve— to myself, wow, you know, this is-future king _ to myself, wow, you know, this is-future king at- to myself, wow, you know, this is future king at some is our future king at some eeni.— is our future king at some ieinv. se— is our future king at some point. so, yeah,- is our future king at some point. so, yeah, it was a good

inevessien— point. so, yeah, it was a good impression. general, can impression. early general, can i veii— impression. early general, can i ven-vne— impression. early general, can i tell-the funniest- impression. early general, can i tell the funniest thing he tell you the funniest thing he vou— tell you the funniest thing he ven snev.— tell you the funniest thing he you know, obviously giving you know, he's obviously giving out you know, he's obviously giving env—ve— you know, he's obviously giving env—ve ieeiiel out lots of awards to people even— out lots of awards to people even iev— out lots of awards to people even iev ei— out lots of awards to people every day of the— out lots of awards to people every day of the whatever. every day of the week, whatever. but every day of the week, whatever. ins-in— every day of the week, whatever. ins-in eni— every day of the week, whatever. ins-in eni ne- every day of the week, whatever. but in and he started but he leant in and he started to but he leant in and he started ve-eienv— but he leant in and he started to about manufacture , to talk about manufacture, eiieving— to talk about manufacture, offering lace _ to talk about manufacture, offering lace making ayrshire offering lace making in ayrshire sesnneves— offering lace making in ayrshire cashmeres and— offering lace making in ayrshire cashmeres and textiles in ssevieni.— cashmeres and textiles in scotland. he— cashmeres and textiles in scotland. he had a real understanding of my trade and i was one of a very— understanding of my trade and i was one of a very long line of people-— was one of a very long line of ieeiie. ani— was one of a very long line of ieeiie. ani i— was one of a very long line of people. and i thought, how insveiiiie— people. and i thought, how incredible is— people. and i thought, how incredible is that, that he has vnev— incredible is that, that he has that retention— incredible is that, that he has that retention and the memory to remember that. _ that retention and the memory to remember that. and make me feel siesiei— remember that. and make me feel special because— remember that. and make me feel special because he— remember that. and make me feel special because he did make me seei— special because he did make me ieei seesiei— special because he did make me feel special.-really- special because he did make me feel special. really i have feel special. so i really i have a feel special. so i really i have evev— feel special. so i really i have eiev ei— feel special. so i really i have a lot of respect— feel special. so i really i have a lot of respect for— feel special. so i really i have a lot of respect for that young seen.— a lot of respect for that young veen. se— a lot of respect for that young man. yeah. so your career also insinies— man. yeah. so your career also insinies sene— man. yeah. so your career also includes some reality tv? j“/vi;5v includes some reality tv? yes. it includes some reality tv? yes. i insi— includes some reality tv? yes. ii insi seems— includes some reality tv? yes. it just seems like— includes some reality tv? yes. it just seems like an- includes some reality tv? yes. it just seems like an odd fit or it does from my point of view . it does from my point of view. from the outside. yes. because you've got this industrious nature, this innovative entrepreneurial nature and then reality tv comes along. how does how does it all fit together for you? you know, it's interesting . i mean, i've worked with a lot of . i mean, i've worked with a lot ei veienv— . i mean, i've worked with a lot of talent within— i mean, i've worked with a lot of talent within television, but ive —vnev. i of talent within television, but i-ve—vnev. in| i've never been, you know, in ivenv— i've never been, you know, in sensei-eve- i've never been, you know, in. front-camera-but front of the camera myself. but if front of the camera myself. but ii|senii— front of the camera myself. but iflcould-back_ front of the camera myself. but if could back little if i could step back a little bits— if i could step back a little iii-iveesv- if i could step back a little bit, breast cancer in

bit, i had breast cancer in seiz— bit, i had breast cancer in zeii. eni— bit, i had breast cancer in 2017, and n— bit, i had breast cancer in 2017, and if you'd asked me to do 2017, and if you'd asked me to ie e— 2017, and if you'd asked me to ie e veeiivv— 2017, and if you'd asked me to do a reality tv— 2017, and if you'd asked me to do a reality tv show before that , i do a reality tv show before that . i venis— do a reality tv show before that . i venii neve— do a reality tv show before that , i would have said— do a reality tv show before that , i would have said no , i think , i would have said no, i think i , i would have said no, i think i eveeneeiv— , i would have said no, i think i overanalyze everything. i'm in the i overanalyze everything. i'm in he insiness— i overanalyze everything. i'm in the business branding. you the business of branding. you knew.— the business of branding. you know,-brands. - the business of branding. you know, brands. that's know, i create brands. that's vnev— know, i create brands. that's vnev i— know, i create brands. that's vnev i ie— know, i create brands. that's what i do-love- know, i create brands. that's what i do love and it what i do and i love it. and it ineis— what i do and i love it. and it ineis-inv— what i do and i love it. and it fuels-but-after- what i do and i love it. and it fuels-but-after ,- what i do and i love it. and it fuels but after , you fuels me. but then after, you snev.— fuels me. but then after, you snev-veen— fuels me. but then after, you know,-years later,- fuels me. but then after, you know, years later, in know, five years later, i'm in venissien— know, five years later, i'm in .— know, five years later, i'm in . in— know, five years later, i'm in remission . i'm great. i feel remission. i'm great. ifeel ievvev— remission. i'm great. ifeel better than— remission. i'm great. ifeel better than ever. this better than ever. and this eiiennniiv— opportunity came along. and once vne— opportunity came along. and once ven-ve-vnvengn— opportunity came along. and once you've through something you've been through something like you've been through something vise-i— you've been through something iive-i sini— you've been through something like-i kind of— you've been through something like-i kind of life- like that, i kind of life ieevning. — like that, i kind of life learning. you- like that, i kind of life learning. you know, it puts life in ievsiesiive— learning. you know, it puts life in ievsiesiive .— learning. you know, it puts life in perspective . and actually in perspective. and actually i vnengnv.— in perspective. and actually i thought, what— in perspective. and actually i thought, what an incredible eieiense— thought, what an incredible eieiense .— thought, what an incredible experience . why wouldn't experience. why wouldn't i try ineve— experience. why wouldn't i try vneve ani— experience. why wouldn't i try that? and also,— experience. why wouldn't i try that? and also, i'm an i'm a businesswoman— that? and also, i'm an i'm a businesswoman .— that? and also, i'm an i'm a businesswoman . so actually it businesswoman. so actually it geve— businesswoman. so actually it geve vne— businesswoman. so actually it gave the company a great infie— gave the company a great profile. thought , why not? profile. and i thought, why not? iev-s— profile. and i thought, why not? iev-s insi— profile. and i thought, why not? iei-s insv iive— profile. and i thought, why not? let's just live for— profile. and i thought, why not? let's just live for the moment eni— let's just live for the moment ene-vsen.- let's just live for the moment ene-veen- ie- let's just live for the moment and-yeah. do you. let's just live for the moment- and-yeah. do you know, and enjoy it. yeah. do you know, inoficed and enjoy it. yeah. do you know, i noticed this in life? in i noticed this in my life? in other people you speak we i noticed this in my life? in oth haveople you speak we i noticed this in my life? in oth have these ou speak we i noticed this in my life? in oth have these things ak we i noticed this in my life? in oth have these things in we i noticed this in my life? in oth have these things in lifeive all have these things in life that you say to yourself, that make you say to yourself, oh, appreciate oh, i should appreciate life. yes. kind forget, yes. and we all kind of forget, give few months, give it give it a few months, give it a few years wanes a little. that same to cling to, same passion to cling to, enjoying day . and yet you enjoying every day. and yet you clearly did remember that and acted upon and then went on acted upon it and then went on reality good reality tv, which really is good follow through. and it wasn't eesv. — follow through. and it wasn't eesv. ven— follow through. and it wasn't easy. you know,— follow through. and it wasn't easy. you know, it's- 3 and it wasn't easy. you know, it's reality tv

is-e— easy. you know, it's reality tv is-e-iev— easy. you know, it's reality tv is-e-iev vne- easy. you know, it's reality tv is-a-for the faint. is not a game for the faint ieense.— is not a game for the faint hearted, but— is not a game for the faint hearted, but it— is not a game for the faint hearted, but it was fun. i my vie— hearted, but it was fun. i my is— hearted, but it was fun. i my view is everything should be inn.— view is everything should be inn. ven— view is everything should be fun. you know— view is everything should be fun. you know you've got to have a fun. you know you've got to have e-iengn— fun. you know you've got to have e-iengn-nev- a bit of a laugh and not not veve— a bit of a laugh and not not take yourself— a bit of a laugh and not not take yourself seriously. take yourself too seriously. we — take yourself too seriously. i-ve—vevingl take yourself too seriously.- i've _taking myself i've spent my life taking myself seviensiv. — i've spent my life taking myself seviensiv. _en- seriously. and this was an eiiennniiv— seriously. and this was anj eiiennniiv—e opportunity to just have a nine— opportunity to just have a iivvielei— opportunity to just have a little-of fun. - opportunity to just have a little of fun. and i did. i little bit of fun. and i did. i enjoyed— little bit of fun. and i did. i enievei iv.— little bit of fun. and i did. i enjoyed it. and— little bit of fun. and i did. i enjoyed it. and then there's enevnen— enjoyed it. and then there's another link— enjoyed it. and then there's another link reality i another link to reality tv, i sniiese. — another link to reality tv, i sniiese. -viivn- another link to reality tv, i suppose. _with your. suppose. yes. with your daughter? so tallia storm, daughter? yes so tallia storm, your factor. was your daughter x factor. that was the one reality tv, was it? the one of reality tv, was it? yeah, of them. yeah. yeah. yeah, one of them. yeah. yeah. if it's not pop, i'd like. stop remembering the titles you're showing now, steve, showing your age now, steve, what's feelings of that? it what's your feelings of that? it must be strange. scary seeing a child go out into a world. you know, it's a modern day world. the internet is scary. well, you know, i the internet is scary. well, you knew. i visn — the internet is scary. well, you know, i wish you— i well, you know, i wish you wouldn't show veni— know, i wish you wouldn't show ven—inv- know, i wish you wouldn't show venv—inv eieni your boobs so much, but apart vnen— your boobs so much, but apart iven—iveieiiv- your boobs so much, but apart from—probably onei your boobs so much, but apart. from—probably one of from that, she's probably one of the from that, she's probably one of he neviesv— from that, she's probably one of the hardest working, hardest vevving— the hardest working, hardest working women. the hardest working, hardest working-women. you working young women. i know you knew.— working young women. i know you snev-nes— working young women. i know you vnevlnes-nev- working young women. i know you know,-has-her craft. know, she has learned her craft eni— know, she has learned her craft eni sne— know, she has learned her craft and she works— know, she has learned her craft and she works really hard and sne— and she works really hard and sne veeis— and she works really hard and she reads music.— and she works really hard and she reads music. writes she reads music. she writes music. influencer music. she's an influencer ineve— music. she's an influencer vneve. ani— music. she's an influencer vneve. ani i— music. she's an influencer there. and i heard your panel veiving— there. and i heard your panel talking—earlier.- there. and i heard your panel. talking—earlier. and, there. and i heard your panel talk know, earlier. and, there. and i heard your panel talk know, that earlier. and, there. and i heard your panel talk know, that is earlier. and, there. and i heard your panel talk know, that is the �*lier. and, there. and i heard your panel talk know, that is the future.|d, you know, that is the future. ven— you know, that is the future. ven snev. — you know, that is the future. you know, these— you know, that is the future. you know, these kids have the eniennniiv— you know, these kids have the opportunity reallyfurther opportunity to really further themselves— opportunity to really further themselves with the tech that's

in vnei— themselves with the tech that's in their hands,— themselves with the tech that's in their hands, their house. in their hands, in their house. ani— in their hands, in their house. ani se— in their hands, in their house. ani se iev— in their hands, in their house. and so for me,— in their hands, in their house. and so for me, i'm really proud of and so for me, i'm really proud ei nen— and so for me, i'm really proud ei nev. sne— and so for me, i'm really proud of her. she works— and so for me, i'm really proud of her. she works really hard. iesn— of her. she works really hard. ievn ei— of her. she works really hard. ievn ei nv— of her. she works really hard. both of my daughters do. my both of my daughters do. and my sens-sin— both of my daughters do. and my sons-still studying.- both of my daughters do. and my sons still studying. but sons are still studying. but veen— sons are still studying. but veenlveve— sons are still studying. but veenlieve nv— sons are still studying. but yeah, take my hat off to her, yeah, i take my hat off to her, you— yeah, i take my hat off to her, ven snev.— yeah, i take my hat off to her, ven knee: is— yeah, i take my hat off to her, you know, it's all— yeah, i take my hat off to her, you know, it's all about she has eiseinveiv— you know, it's all about she has eiseinieiv gev— you know, it's all about she has absolutely got the— you know, it's all about she has absolutely got the heart and nnsvie. — absolutely got the heart and hustle. excellent. - absolutely got the heart and hustle. >e

you're bringing things with you as you're bringing things with you es veii. — you're bringing things with you es veii. vvevv— you're bringing things with you as well. well i— you're bringing things with you as well. well i did. 3 as well. well i did. i thought, you— as well. well i did. i thought, you steve? it's you know what, steve? it's easter good friday. and easter friday. good friday. and i cake. a cake? i i brought you a cake. a cake? i have to tell it's blue have to tell you, it's blue because picked because of because i picked it because of scotland. obviously the of scotland. obviously the rest of the

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eeinenv iisev .— bethany elsey. i steve, - bethany elsey. steve, thank you. good evening . with your . i'm bethany elsey with your top from the gb newsroom top stories from the gb newsroom israel's foreign ministry says at least one person has been killed and five others injured in a terrorist attack in tel aviv . police say the incident aviv. police say the incident involved a shooting and a car ramming the victims were all tourists, but it's unconfirmed where they're from. it's the second deadly attack in the region today after two british israeli sisters were shot dead in their car in the occupied west bank. violence has flared between israel and palestine in recent days over the muslim holy month of ramadan and the jewish passover holiday. the uk foreign office is calling for all sides to de—escalate tensions . russia to de—escalate tensions. russia has charged a us journalist with espionage . evan gershkovich, who espionage. evan gershkovich, who works for the wall street journal, is accused of trying to obtain russian military secrets on behalf of washington . he

on behalf of washington. he pleaded not guilty earlier this week and maintains he was working as a journalist . working as a journalist. russia's foreign minister sergey lavrov , says he was caught red lavrov, says he was caught red handed, but president joe biden has described the claims of espionage as ridiculous and demanded his release acas opposition politicians in scotland are urging the snp to be fully transparent about its finances after it emerged the firm which audits the party's accounts, has resigned. john cleese ian carmichael says it made the decision after reviewing its client portfolio earlier this week. the former snp chief executive, peter murrell , who is nicola murrell, who is nicola sturgeon's husband , was arrested sturgeon's husband, was arrested by police in investigating the party's finances. he was released without charge, pending further investigation . police in further investigation. police in northern ireland are warning their officers could be targeted by rebels in londonderry this easter . the by rebels in londonderry this easter. the psni by rebels in londonderry this easter . the psni says it's easter. the psni says it's received strong intelligence that attacks are being planned for bank holiday monday , m15 for bank holiday monday, m15

raised the terrorism threat level in the country to severe following the shooting of senior detective john caldwell. meanwhile, communities and political figures have come together to mark 25 years since the signing of the good friday agreement, which ended decades of violence . the labour party is of violence. the labour party is stood by an advert that claims rishi sunak doesn't think child sex abusers should go to prison .labour sex abusers should go to prison . labour posted the ad on twitter , pitching itself as the twitter, pitching itself as the party of law and order. it's drawn criticism from mps though, with senior tory ministers accusing labour of a vile and desperate campaign strategy . and desperate campaign strategy. and tributes have poured in for s club seven singer paul cattermole , who has died cattermole, who has died unexpectedly at the age of 46. the band's manager described him as a beacon of light for a generation of pop music fans. his death comes just weeks after the group announced a comeback toun the group announced a comeback tour. he was found at his home in dorset yesterday , and police in dorset yesterday, and police say there were no suspicious

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guests and always big opinions. but first, my take . at ten. how but first, my take. at ten. how snen— but first, my take. at ten. how snevv ee— but first, my take. at ten. how smart are things— but first, my take. at ten. how smart are things these days? snen— smart are things these days? snevi inenes— smart are things these days? smart phones, smart tvs, smartwatches_ smart phones, smart tvs, smartwatches and smarts. but the one smartwatches and smarts. but the snev-s— smartwatches and smarts. but the vnev-s vne— smartwatches and smarts. but the one that's the total— smartwatches and smarts. but the one that's the total misnomer snen— one that's the total misnomer smart motorways.— one that's the total misnomer smart motorways. if you haven't seen one of these— smart motorways. if you haven't seen one of these things, it's vneie— seen one of these things, it's wise nsing— seen one of these things, it's where using technology for a vnee— where using technology for a vnvee iene— where using technology for a three lane motorway when it's insv— three lane motorway when it's insv .— three lane motorway when it's insv . vne— three lane motorway when it's insv . ine nevi— three lane motorway when it's busy , the hard shoulder becomes busy, the hard shoulder becomes an busy, the hard shoulder becomes en esvive— busy, the hard shoulder becomes an active lane— busy, the hard shoulder becomes an active lane .— busy, the hard shoulder becomes an active lane . so— busy, the hard shoulder becomes an active lane . so it's a four an active lane. so it's a four vene— an active lane. so it's a four lane motorway.— an active lane. so it's a four lane motorway. let's take a look an active lane. so it's a four laithat otorway. let's take a look an active lane. so it's a four laithat sentence .et's take a look an active lane. so it's a four laithat sentence again.ke a look an active lane. so it's a four laithat sentence again. wheniok at that sentence again. when it's at that sentence again. when is busy— at that sentence again. when is busy ven— at that sentence again. when it's busy, you know, when a nevevvev— it's busy, you know, when a nevevvev-ivs- it's busy, you know, when a motorway its worst, the motorway is at its worst, the nevi— motorway is at its worst, the hard shoulder,— motorway is at its worst, the hard shoulder, the thing that's ineve— hard shoulder, the thing that's there emergencies goes away. there for emergencies goes away. it's there for emergencies goes away. its-neving— there for emergencies goes away. its-neving e— there for emergencies goes away. it's-making a ship- there for emergencies goes away. it's making a ship where it's like making a ship where vnen— it's like making a ship where vnen-see— it's like making a ship where when-sea gets- it's like making a ship where when sea gets choppy, the when the sea gets choppy, the iiieieevs— when the sea gets choppy, the lifeboats do _ when the sea gets choppy, the lifeboats do - it's- when the sea gets choppy, the lifeboats do it's because lifeboats do one. it's because of lifeboats do one. it's because ei sesv. — lifeboats do one. it's because ei sesv. ei— lifeboats do one. it's because of cost. of course— lifeboats do one. it's because of cost. of course it is. but vne— of cost. of course it is. but he sess— of cost. of course it is. but he sesv ei— of cost. of course it is. but the cost of turning a motorway inve— the cost of turning a motorway inve-nevevvev- the cost of turning a motorway into-motorway is- the cost of turning a motorway into motorway is well into a smart motorway is well nniev— into a smart motorway is well nniev nevi— into a smart motorway is well under half the— into a smart motorway is well under half the cost of adding an evve— under half the cost of adding an evie-vene— under half the cost of adding an extra-lane. these- under half the cost of adding an extra lane. these smart extra proper lane. these smart nevevvevs— extra proper lane. these smart motorways have— extra proper lane. these smart motorways have been linked to some - accidents. - motorways have been linked to some accidents. so some fatal accidents. so yet egein— some fatal accidents. so yet egein-inv— some fatal accidents. so yet egein-ins e— some fatal accidents. so yet again-put a price- some fatal accidents. so yet again put a price on human again we put a price on human iive— again we put a price on human iiie vniie— again we put a price on human life while we— again we put a price on human life while we pretend that we een-v.— life while we pretend that we dens-news- life while we pretend that we don't.-news is- life while we pretend that we don't. news is that life while we pretend that we. don't.-news is that the don't. the good news is that the veiienv— don't. the good news is that the veiienvinev— don't. the good news is that the rollout. new smart— don't. the good news is that the rollout new smart motorways rollout of new smart motorways in ivivein— rollout of new smart motorways in ivivein is— rollout of new smart motorways in britain is set— rollout of new smart motorways in britain is set to— rollout of new smart motorways in britain is set to be abandoned- in britain is set to be abandoned safety in britain is set to be abandoned-safety but abandoned amid safety fears. but the abandoned amid safety fears. but he nevevisvs— abandoned amid safety fears. but the motorists can— abandoned amid safety fears. but the motorists can still feel nniev— the motorists can still feel under attack. _ the motorists can still feel under attack. i'm not one of vnese— under attack. i'm not one of inese ieeiie— under attack. i'm not one of these people who gets just

these people who gets angry just iesense— these people who gets angry just because someone— these people who gets angry just because someone word because someone says the word eseev-i— because someone says the word eseev-i neving- because someone says the word eseev-i neving e- because someone says the word eco. for having a lovely eco. i'm all for having a lovely sieen—vneve- eco. i'm all for having a lovely clean—there must. eco. i'm all for having a lovelyi clean—there must be clean planet, but there must be a clean planet, but there must be e-ieing— clean planet, but there must be e-ieing iv.— clean planet, but there must be a-doing it. that's- clean planet, but there must be a doing it. that's good . a way of doing it. that's good. ieen-v— a way of doing it. that's good. ieen-v snenge— a way of doing it. that's good. don't charge-more- a way of doing it. that's good. don't charge more for it. don't charge me more for it. inings— don't charge me more for it. inings-uiiz- don't charge me more for it.| things-ulez-or things like the ulez zone or evien— things like the ulez zone or other-emission- things like the ulez zone or other emission zones across other low emission zones across the other low emission zones across vne sennvvv. — other low emission zones across vne sennvvv. i— other low emission zones across the country. i love— other low emission zones across the country. i love clean air as nnsn— the country. i love clean air as nnsn es— the country. i love clean air as nnsn es vne— the country. i love clean air as much as the next— the country. i love clean air as much as the next man. as much as the next man. as long as the much as the next man. as long as sne-isn-v— much as the next man. as long as sne-isn-v-gnv- much as the next man. as long as sne-isn-v-gnv inl the next man. isn't that guy in a the next man. isn't that guy in e-iven — the next man. isn't that guy in e-iven invi— the next man. isn't that guy in a from pulp fiction. but if a mask from pulp fiction. but if it a mask from pulp fiction. but if iv-veeiiv— a mask from pulp fiction. but if it-really about— a mask from pulp fiction. but if it really about emissions , it were really about emissions, ven-i— it were really about emissions, ven-i-ien— it were really about emissions, ven-i-ien evi— it were really about emissions, you'd-ban old cars- it were really about emissions, you'd ban old cars going you'd just ban old cars going in. wny— you'd just ban old cars going in. vvnv-ieeiie- you'd just ban old cars going in. why people to enter in. why let people pay to enter vnev— in. why let people pay to enter vnev ene— in. why let people pay to enter vnev e— in. why let people pay to enter that zone ? it— in. why let people pay to enter that zone ? it makes the that zone? it makes the sensiivesv— that zone? it makes the conspiracy say conspiracy theorists who say its— conspiracy theorists who say its evi— conspiracy theorists who say it's all about— conspiracy theorists who say it's all about raising money sien— it's all about raising money svevv ve— it's all about raising money start to look— it's all about raising money start to look right. someone start to look right. if someone pays— start to look right. if someone ievs-vneiv— start to look right. if someone ievs-vneiv eie- start to look right. if someone pays _their old car,. pays to get in their old car, sviii— pays to get in their old car, sviii visvs— pays to get in their old car, still kicks out— pays to get in their old car, still kicks out the same gas, inv— still kicks out the same gas, ins-gev— still kicks out the same gas, ins-gev sene- still kicks out the same gas, but get some money. still kicks out the same gas, but-get some money. will but you get some money. how will vnev— but you get some money. how will snev-nevi— but you get some money. how will that help environment? that money help the environment? are that money help the environment? ave—vvv— that money help the environment? are—by eni- that money help the environment? are—try and bribe- are you going to try and bribe seien— are you going to try and bribe sevien-ve— are you going to try and bribe carbon-to sit-onei carbon dioxide to sit this one enve— carbon dioxide to sit this one enve veii— carbon dioxide to sit this one out? well-want- carbon dioxide to sit this one out? well want to raise out? well if you want to raise evvve — out? well if you want to raise evvve innis— out? well if you want to raise extra funds, have— out? well if you want to raise extra funds, have the to extra funds, have the bravery to veii— extra funds, have the bravery to veiilvnev-s— extra funds, have the bravery to tell-that's what— extra funds, have the bravery to tell that's what you're tell us that's what you're geing.— tell us that's what you're ieing. een-v— tell us that's what you're doing. don't milk people by seein— doing. don't milk people by| stealth._coming doing. don't milk people by. stealth._coming at stealth. and i'm not coming at vnis— stealth. and i'm not coming at this-someone— stealth. and i'm not coming at this-someone who- stealth. and i'm not coming at this someone who hates this from someone who hates envining— this from someone who hates envining ve— this from someone who hates envining ie ie— this from someone who hates anything to do with climate snenge— anything to do with climate change-make- anything to do with climate- change.-make-that change. if you make a fuel that enivs— change. if you make a fuel that enie—iii- change. if you make a fuel that emits—i'll have- emits less carbon, i'll have seneen-v- emits less carbon, i'll have some _you make i emits less carbon, i'll have some you make an some of that. you make an eiesvvis— some of that. you make an electric-that— some of that. you make an electric that works and is electric car that works and is nevie— electric car that works and is nevie sneeiev— electric car that works and is maybe cheaper good old maybe cheaper than a good old iesnienei— maybe cheaper than a good old fashioned-i'll— maybe cheaper than a good old fashioned-i'll be- maybe cheaper than a good old fashioned i'll be there fashioned one. i'll be there if you— fashioned one. i'll be there if ven-ne— fashioned one. i'll be there if ven-nelvvein.- fashioned one. i'll be there if you-meltrain. all- fashioned one. i'll be there if alternative that— fashioned one. i'll be there if alternative that is better than sivving— alternative that is better than sivvinglvne— alternative that is better than sitting-the-i'll- alternative that is better than sitting the i'll be sat sitting in the car. i'll be sat in-upholstered-

sitting in the car. i'll be sat in upholstered seat, in your upholstered seat, sipping— in your upholstered seat, sipping-all- in your upholstered seat, sipping all the in your upholstered seat,- sipping-all the way. sipping my latte all the way. inv— sipping my latte all the way. in evi— sipping my latte all the way. but all you're— sipping my latte all the way. but all you're doing is short snenging— but all you're doing is short snenging .— but all you're doing is short changing . motorist. so what changing. the motorist. so what do changing. the motorist. so what ie ven— changing. the motorist. so what ie ven vninve— changing. the motorist. so what do you think? do— changing. the motorist. so what do you think? do you agree or iisegvee— do you think? do you agree or iisegvee e— do you think? do you agree or iisegvee e se— do you think? do you agree or disagree ? gb views at gb news disagree? gb views at gb news .uk disagree? gb views at gb news is veesving— disagree? gb views at gb news .uk reacting to— disagree? gb views at gb news .uk reacting to my— disagree? gb views at gb news .uk reacting to my take at ten is venignv-s— .uk reacting to my take at ten is tonight's pundits, broadcaster and journalist nina ween.— broadcaster and journalist nina myskow, political— broadcaster and journalist nina myskow, political commentator ienienin— myskow, political commentator benjamin loughnane and the ieeiev— benjamin loughnane and the ieeiev ei— benjamin loughnane and the leader of ukip,— benjamin loughnane and the leader of ukip, neil hammond. veniiven— leader of ukip, neil hammond. hamilton let's— leader of ukip, neil hammond. hamilton let's start with neil iesense— hamilton let's start with neil iesense i— hamilton let's start with neil because i presume somehow might get because i presume somehow might gev sene— because i presume somehow might get some agreement with this. ine— get some agreement with this. is snen— get some agreement with this. the smart motorways. neil inev-ve— the smart motorways. neil inev-ve nev— the smart motorways. neil they're not smart, are they they're not that smart, are they 7 they're not that smart, are they e vein— they're not that smart, are they e vein is— they're not that smart, are they e vein is en— they're not that smart, are they ? well, it's an oxymoron, isn't it? course not smart. it? of course they're not smart. it's one of the most stupid and obviously stupid ideas that i've ever in my lifetime. ever encountered in my lifetime. it's an object lesson in why governments shouldn't be given too much power. because it'll be misused or abused . and i've had misused or abused. and i've had one frightening experience where i had a puncture on the severn bridge where there is no emergency lane. anyway and with three lanes of traffic and

you're in one of them and you've got massive lorries and buses and so on, shooting past you within feet . it's one of the within feet. it's one of the most frightening experiences you could think of. i managed to limp off the bridge and onto the hard shoulder, which was there then for what its purpose was designed to be. and so it was obvious that this was going to be an idea which had within it the seeds of its of its own destruction, ultimately, because it was bound to end in death, wasn't it , for people who found wasn't it, for people who found themselves in circumstances where they weren't safe because there was no safety refuge on there was no safety refuge on the motorway? and the cost of this has been absolutely vast. i mean, i live 100 miles down the motorway from here in paddington on the m4, and for years we had to put up with the two lanes closed whilst they were putting in the smart motorway technology and the speed was reduced to 50 miles an hour. that imposed a cost of billions on british business using the motorways

journeys take longer and costs more . and for an idea which was more. and for an idea which was guaranteed never to work properly . so the whole thing is properly. so the whole thing is a nonsense from start to finish and it should have been abandoned long ago. but then the government is full of projects that should have been abandoned long like hs2 , but they that should have been abandoned longcarry like hs2 , but they that should have been abandoned longcarry one hs2 , but they that should have been abandoned longcarry on regardless they still carry on regardless because they have a momentum of their own in spite of the obvious stupidity of them. yeah. well, benjamin, ask yeah. well, benjamin, i'll ask you—parie- you this, this next part, iesense— you this, this next part, because-have- you this, this next part, because have we you this, this next part, because-have we know because we have we now know that the because we have we now know that sne—eve— because we have we now know that sne—eve sveiiing- because we have we now know that the _ are stopping the l the government are stopping the veiienv— the government are stopping the rollout-planned- the government are stopping the rollout planned ones rollout of further planned ones . inv— rollout of further planned ones . ins-vnev— rollout of further planned ones . but-that mean- rollout of further planned ones . but that mean we should . but does that mean we should try . but does that mean we should viv-vne— . but does that mean we should viv-sne snen- try and undo the smart nevevvevse— try and undo the smart motorways? and if we do, does vnev— motorways? and if we do, does snev-news— motorways? and if we do, does that neil's another that mean neil's got another seneie— that mean neil's got another seneie-ei— that mean neil's got another couple of roadworks on couple of years of roadworks on the couple of years of roadworks on sne-es— couple of years of roadworks on sne-es-snenge- couple of years of roadworks on the-as-change it- couple of years of roadworks on the as change it into the m4 as they change it into some non—smart— the m4 as they change it into some non—smart motorway? yeah, eiseinveiv. — some non—smart motorway? yeah, eiseinveiv. .i-n— some non—smart motorway? yeah, absolutely. .i'm so- some non—smart motorway? yeah, absolutely. .i'm so glad- some non—smart motorway? yeah, absolutely. giv: absolutely. and i'm so glad you brought up hs2 because it is part of the next point. i want to make, which that are to make, which is that we are fundamentally build fundamentally unable to build infrastructure fundamentally unable to build infrasths2ire fundamentally unable to build infrasths2 has gone on too long, know, hs2 has gone on too long, longer than planned. they've scaled the scale of scaled back the actual scale of the project quite the original project quite substantially, and it's cost far too much. it just goes to show that incapable of even that we are incapable of even supporting the current

infrastructure that we inherited from generations . and from previous generations. and so rather than saying, let's add an extra lane every motorway an extra lane to every motorway to to counter to counter, to counter the increase in traffic and the increasing population of people who are moving in this way, we say, we'll just get of say, no, we'll just get rid of the safety benefit that we have. we'll just push people the we'll just push people into the hard make the hard shoulder, make the motorways more dangerous. motorways even more dangerous. the possible benefit from the only possible benefit from this is that motorways become so dangerous that no one wants to drive on them and they become less again. nina albie less crowded again. nina albie at of less crowded again. nina albie av-eiliev— less crowded again. nina albie at-ofifar being- at the risk of so far being vnee— at the risk of so far being three blokes— at the risk of so far being three blokes moaning about roads are—save us from - are you going to save us from vnis— are you going to save us from vnis e — are you going to save us from vnise ne.— are you going to save us from this .7 no,ithink_ are you going to save us from this ? \viv this? no, i think they're terrifying. and this is the inference from the term smart is that it's that it's really advanced technology and it's and it's better for us. it makes our lives easier. well, it doesn't . lives easier. well, it doesn't. i mean, how many people have died smart motorways? i died on smart motorways? i remember driving up remember years ago driving up the driving up the m1 in the we were driving up the m1 in at night time, so it was dark and it was pouring with rain. and we had we had a tyre blow—out now, when the smart motorway, can you imagine what that would have, know, how

that would have, you know, how we coped with that? we would have coped with that? because couldn't because we had to, we couldn't move. to a tyre. move. we had to change a tyre. no i mean you, you've got a sofa here of people saying, all here of people saying, we all agree with you . it's ridiculous. agree with you. it's ridiculous. and about time the and it's about time the government did something about and it's about time the g0jit's ment did something about and it's about time the g0jit's justt did something about and it's about time the g0jit's just it'sd something about and it's about time the g0jit's just it's justnething about it. it's just it's just nonsensical. i also agree about hs2. you know, this is just just another waste of money. and i don't know what's happened to us. i mean, we, you know, engineers, engineering architects, we used to be so great at all of this. and then some how it transfers into some how when it transfers into the actual practicality of making something, we seem to have lost all our skill or our our grit or our determination or what is it? what is wrong with this country? yeah. neil, what do you this country? yeah. neil, what ie ven vninv— this country? yeah. neil, what do you think is— viviv. “7 “vii i“ neil, what do you think is stopping us from seiving— do you think is stopping us from seiving env— do you think is stopping us from seiving env ei— do you think is stopping us from solving any of these problems senesvive— solving any of these problems correctly? well— solving any of these problems correctly? well i— solving any of these problems correctly? well i think the sieve— correctly? well i think the sieve nes— correctly? well i think the state has just— correctly? well i think the state has just got far too big eni— state has just got far too big eni is— state has just got far too big eni is ieing— state has just got far too big and is doing too— state has just got far too big and is doing too many things and ieing— and is doing too many things and ieing vnen— and is doing too many things and doing them badly. _ and is doing too many things and doing them badly. c doing them badly. it's concentration - doing them badly. it's concentration of- doing them badly. it's concentration of power, is concentration of power, which is the problem here. how is it the real problem here. how is it that something which is obviously stupid, like smart motorways, even gets off the drawing board, let alone into

the infrastructure of the country? came time when country? there came a time when hs2, good it looked at hs2, however good it looked at the start, became a white elephant. and yet the white elephant. and yet the white elephant is still trumpeting out there . so the big problem is there. so the big problem is that people expect too much from government, which government can never deliver because never actually deliver because government actually just a government is actually just a lot of individuals who are just as fallible as you or me, or at least me at any rate. and that's magnified many, many times. so that means that whatever mistakes are going to be made are going to be far bigger than they would be if it was all dispersed in decision taking. yes. okay. well, time for a snenge. — yes. okay. well, time for a snenge. on.— yes. okay. well, time for a change. oh, that- yes. okay. well, time for a change. oh, that was- yes. okay. well, time for a change. oh, that was time for a change. get get this lot out. veen— change. get get this lot out. veen inv— change. get get this lot out. seen in i— change. get get this lot out. yeah, but i agree. - i 3 get get this lot out. yeah, but i agree. but the alternative isn't any better. that's the trouble. are you saying that's the trouble. are you seving-eienv- are you saying about yourself? saying that about yourself? vveii. — saying that about yourself? well, alternative, well, i am an alternative, i sniiese— well, i am an alternative, i sniiese . — well, i am an alternative, i suppose . .jv�*~jj.vi;i“vv“ well, i am an alternative, i suppose . .jv�*~vj.vi;i“v.vii well, i am an alternative, i suppose . well, i am an alternative, i- suppose . meanwhile, i'd say you suppose. meanwhile, i'd say you can send your emails through. speaking of which, you'd to speaking of which, you'd like to read emails that read some of your emails that have we were have come through while we were speaking politics, jim speaking of gutter politics, jim says have always in says labour have always been in the and i'm the gutter my whole life and i'm over put you down as

over 80. i'll put you down as not a fan. then on the topic of could we the life of brian could we make the life of brian now? name? don't now? brian a real name? don't know. says it was one of the most intelligent, funny films ever the question ever made. the question is, would life mohammed bin would the life of mohammed bin made? it's the made? allison says it's the first ever agreed with made? allison says it's the firs ina ever agreed with made? allison says it's the firsina put ever agreed with made? allison says it's the firsina put you ver agreed with made? allison says it's the firsina put you ver agasvd with made? allison says it's the firsina put you ver agas notith an ina put you down as not a fan. then the film was made to push boundaries and be funny. and was fantastic . erg we and it was fantastic. erg we were speaking about mps getting paid more to not have extra jobs. peter says if mps got higher wages so as not to get a second job, some would still do other paid and not declare other paid work and not declare it. the past has shown that corruption is in government corruption is in the government and why is mp and lynn says why is the mp jobs only discussed terms of only ever discussed in terms of pay-7 only ever discussed in terms of pay? should ask about how pay? we should ask about how they have the time to do another job serving their job instead of serving their country better country and being better informed more hardworking informed and more hardworking politicians . your thoughts. politicians. your thoughts. please send emails. please do send in your emails. well, we get the well, coming up, we get the papers at 1030 with full papers at 1030 sharp with full pundh papers at 1030 sharp with full pundit reaction and the latest on mr. trump and the legal issues . stay tuned .

welcome back to mark dolan tonight. it's time now for the newsmaker in which we tackle the big stories of the day in the company of fearless commentator tonight, donald trump pleaded not guilty this week after becoming the first former president to be criminally charged on 34 counts of falsifying business accounts. mr. trump could face a maximum of four years in prison if he is found guilty in december. and as president biden is set to visit the uk after announcing he will not be attending the coronation of king charles, was the king snubbed by president biden, or was this simply presidential protocol? joining me to discuss all of this is white house political correspondent john christopher bupa. thank you for joining me. let's get an update on trump then. so we know all of the pleading not guilty . pick up the pleading not guilty. pick up the pleading not guilty. pick up the from them . well it the the story from them. well it the indictment , the story from them. well it the indictment, it outlines an ongoing scheme to pay hush money

to a star and to a playboy model. and to also silence other iniiviineis— model. and to also silence other iniiviineis by— model. and to also silence other individuals by setting— : and to also silence other individuals by setting up this an individuals by setting up this en e veve— individuals by setting up this an a fake legal— individuals by setting up this an a fake legal retainer egveenenv— an a fake legal retainer agreement with his lawyer, iiisneei— agreement with his lawyer, michael cohen,— agreement with his lawyer, michael cohen, the poor son of a gun— michael cohen, the poor son of a gnn vne— michael cohen, the poor son of a gnn nne nes— michael cohen, the poor son of a gnn nne nes e— michael cohen, the poor son of a gun who has a young girl child eni— gun who has a young girl child eni e— gun who has a young girl child eni e vine.— gun who has a young girl child and a wife, and— gun who has a young girl child and a wife, and he mortgaged his sensie— and a wife, and he mortgaged his senie in— and a wife, and he mortgaged his condo in manhattan so he could ni— condo in manhattan so he could ni vivi— condo in manhattan so he could ni vivn e— condo in manhattan so he could come up with a cash so donald veniin-v— come up with a cash so donald wouldn't have— come up with a cash so donald wouldn't have to— come up with a cash so donald wouldn't have to get his hands iviv.— wouldn't have to get his hands iivvv. se— wouldn't have to get his hands iinv. se vnev— wouldn't have to get his hands dirty. so what did— wouldn't have to get his hands dirty. so what did trump do? iive— dirty. so what did trump do? like everything— dirty. so what did trump do? like everything else in the sieeseieg— like everything else in the sleazebag world of new york , sleazebag world of new york, vnev— sleazebag world of new york, vnev sen— sleazebag world of new york, vnev i— sleazebag world of new york, what can i say?— sleazebag world of new york, what can i say? real estate iinense— what can i say? real estate iinense. ii— what can i say? real estate finance. et cetera . he took the finance. et cetera. he took the nenev— finance. et cetera. he took the nenev iven — finance. et cetera. he took the money from his— finance. et cetera. he took the money from his corporation . money from his corporation. ievieen. — money from his corporation. torfaen. and— money from his corporation. torfaen. and he.— money from his corporation. torfaen. and he. he. he used vnev— torfaen. and he. he. he used vnev enev— torfaen. and he. he. he used that money, and— torfaen. and he. he. he used that money, and he took it as a tax deduction. _ that money, and he took it as a tax deduction. now— that money, and he took it as a tax deduction. now that is veveiiv— tax deduction. now that is totally criminal. and that is why— totally criminal. and that is why vne— totally criminal. and that is why the district— totally criminal. and that is why the district attorney, alvin braggi— why the district attorney, alvin nagg, e— why the district attorney, alvin ivegg: e very— why the district attorney, alvin bragg, a very, very savvy white svininei— bragg, a very, very savvy white criminal prosecutor , went after criminal prosecutor, went after nin— criminal prosecutor, went after nin eni—

criminal prosecutor, went after nin eni nnni— criminal prosecutor, went after him and trump sat there in the iesvev— him and trump sat there in the docket looking— him and trump sat there in the docket looking like a chastened boy .— docket looking like a chastened iev . ne— docket looking like a chastened boy , no bravura,— docket looking like a chastened boy , no bravura, until he went boy, no bravura, until he went to boy, no bravura, until he went ve sienn— boy, no bravura, until he went ve ievn vvev— boy, no bravura, until he went to down mar a— boy, no bravura, until he went to down mar a lago. and then he vensee— to down mar a lago. and then he venvei eni— to down mar a lago. and then he ranted and raved— to down mar a lago. and then he ranted and raved and he even vnveevenei— ranted and raved and he even threatened basically the judge, ineginei— threatened basically the judge, ineginei ieing— threatened basically the judge, imagined doing that. stephen, he said imagined doing that. stephen, he seii vne— imagined doing that. stephen, he seii ine inige— imagined doing that. stephen, he said the judge and— imagined doing that. stephen, he said the judge and his wife hate ine— said the judge and his wife hate ine inige-s— said the judge and his wife hate me. the judge's daughter hates i— me. the judge's daughter hates i ne— me. the judge's daughter hates me. i mean, he went off and the is— me. i mean, he went off and the man is definitely— me. i mean, he went off and the man is definitely losing it. ves— man is definitely losing it. ve-s eiveeiv— man is definitely losing it. he's already lost it, but he's iess.— he's already lost it, but he's iess. ani— he's already lost it, but he's back. and now— he's already lost it, but he's back. and now he's been really , back. and now he's been really, as back. and now he's been really, es i— back. and now he's been really, es i seie.— back. and now he's been really, as i said, chastened, chastened . ve— as i said, chastened, chastened . ve nesn-v— as i said, chastened, chastened . he hasn't been— as i said, chastened, chastened . he hasn't been speaking much ieieiv— . he hasn't been speaking much ieveiv. lien-v— . he hasn't been speaking much lately. idon't know— . he hasn't been speaking much lately. don't know you lately. i don't know if you ieens— lately. i don't know if you heard,-haven't- lately. i don't know if you heard,-haven't a heard, but we haven't heard a ining— heard, but we haven't heard a vning vnen— heard, but we haven't heard a thing from him— heard, but we haven't heard a thing from him over here. that's invevesving. — thing from him over here. that's interesting. it's— thing from him over here. that's interesting. it's nice- thing from him over here. that's interesting. c i“ vi.vi; gig interesting. it's nice to get the some the the details on some of the charges obviously, we charges because obviously, we were that for were waiting for that for a while. that. some while. thank you for that. some of things described, of the things you've described, their sound really worrying. so their sound really worrying. so the would be, how their sound really worrying. so th this would be, how their sound really worrying. so ththis impacted would be, how their sound really worrying. so ththis impacted his)uld be, how their sound really worrying. so ththis impacted his popularitva is this impacted his popularity ? well, donald trump always neneges— ? well, donald trump always vneneges ve— ? well, donald trump always manages to make— 7’ well, donald trump always manages to make the worst out of the manages to make the worst out of he iess— manages to make the worst out of he iesv eni— manages to make the worst out of the best and the— manages to make the worst out of the best and the best out of the vvevsv — the best and the best out of the vvevsv sveinen— the best and the best out of the worst. stephen king, by the way, ei— worst. stephen king, by the way, ei nv— worst. stephen king, by the way, some of my friends— worst. stephen king, by the way, some of my friends in the uk seie— some of my friends in the uk seii vei— some of my friends in the uk seii ve-i ie— some of my friends in the uk said we'd be a— some of my friends in the uk said we'd be a good match. so snev-ve— said we'd be a good match. so they're watching— said we'd be a good match. so they're watching in tonight as we veve— they're watching in tonight as we veve en— they're watching in tonight as we take on this—

they're watching in tonight as we take on this topic. so cheers to we take on this topic. so cheers ve ven. — we take on this topic. so cheers ie ven. ainevs— we take on this topic. so cheers to you. always always willing to neve — to you. always always willing to neve e— to you. always always willing to have a viewership— to you. always always willing to have a viewership bump . is he? have a viewership bump. is he? he have a viewership bump. is he? ve sen— have a viewership bump. is he? ve ne— have a viewership bump. is he? ve ne sen— have a viewership bump. is he? he can he can make money out of vnis— he can he can make money out of vnis iesense— he can he can make money out of this because he— he can he can make money out of this because he can— he can he can make money out of this because he can say and this is seei— this because he can say and this is seen vneev— this because he can say and this is good friday and— this because he can say and this is good friday and i— this because he can say and this is good friday and i don't want to is good friday and i don't want ve insniv— is good friday and i don't want ve insniv env— is good friday and i don't want to insult any of— is good friday and i don't want to insult any of my christian ivienis. — to insult any of my christian ivienis. i— to insult any of my christian friends. i am— to insult any of my christian friends. i am one. he can become a friends. i am one. he can become enevvvv— friends. i am one. he can become enevvvv es— friends. i am one. he can become enevvvv es ne— friends. i am one. he can become e nevivv es ne sevs— friends. i am one. he can become a martyr as he says. oh, look vnev— a martyr as he says. oh, look vnev vnev— a martyr as he says. oh, look what what was— a martyr as he says. oh, look what what was me? look what snev-ve— what what was me? look what inev-ve ieing— what what was me? look what inev-ve ieing ve— what what was me? look what they're doing to me. they're ivesesniing— they're doing to me. they're prosecuting me.— they're doing to me. they're prosecuting me. they're ievsesniing— prosecuting me. they're persecuting me. he has these snvv— persecuting me. he has these cult followers— persecuting me. he has these cult followers ,_ persecuting me. he has these cult followers , as— persecuting me. he has these cult followers , as i call them, cult followers, as i call them, in— cult followers, as i call them, nis nis— cult followers, as i call them, nis nis .— cult followers, as i call them, nis nis . nis— cult followers, as i call them, his his , his disciples and he his his, his disciples and he eveveni— his his, his disciples and he can pretend that he was in front of can pretend that he was in front ei venvins— can pretend that he was in front of pontius pilate— can pretend that he was in front of pontius pilate last week and nes— of pontius pilate last week and ne-s ne— of pontius pilate last week and he's now a tragic— of pontius pilate last week and he's now a tragic figure. but inv— he's now a tragic figure. but in in— he's now a tragic figure. but but his maga— he's now a tragic figure. but but his maga base. yeah there he is. ineve— but his maga base. yeah there he is. ineve ven— but his maga base. yeah there he is. ineve ven ge— but his maga base. yeah there he is. there you go. hello, danny . is. there you go. hello, danny. vis— is. there you go. hello, danny. vis invisi— is. there you go. hello, danny. his maga base— is. there you go. hello, danny. his maga base will love that . his maga base will love that. they— his maga base will love that. inev viii— his maga base will love that. inev viii eenv— his maga base will love that. they will pour more money he's nene— they will pour more money he's neie eiens— they will pour more money he's made about $10— they will pour more money he's made about $10 million since his iniisvnenv— made about $10 million since his indictment and— made about $10 million since his indictment and he's playing it up indictment and he's playing it ni ve— indictment and he's playing it ni ve vne— indictment and he's playing it ni ie ine niiv— indictment and he's playing it up to the hilt .— indictment and he's playing it up to the hilt . and this is what up to the hilt. and this is what he up to the hilt. and this is what is iees. — up to the hilt. and this is what is iees. vve— up to the hilt. and this is what he does. i've known him all my iiie. — he does. i've known him all my iiie. vev— he does. i've known him all my life. new york— he does. i've known him all my life. new york city.— he does. i've known him all my life. new york city. i am a new vevv— life. new york city. i am a new vens sivv— life. new york city. i am a new vein siiv iev.— life. new york city. i am a new york city boy. and— life. new york city. i am a new york city boy. and this is nevning— york city boy. and this is nothing new.— york city boy. and this is nothing new. so given that it ieeis— nothing new. so given that it ieeis iive— nothing new. so given that it ieeis iiie e— nothing new. so given that it feels like a lot— nothing new. so given that it feels like a lot of commentators

iveiisiing— feels like a lot of commentators were predicting that this would go were predicting that this would ge-vnis— were predicting that this would ge-vnis vev.— were predicting that this would ge-vnis vev. ii- go exactly this way, if envining.— go exactly this way, if. anything,-boost go exactly this way, if- anything,-boost his anything, it would boost his ieinieviiv— anything, it would boost his popularity core. popularity with his core. viesn-v— popularity with his core. wasn't this— popularity with his core. wasn't this politically stupid to do this court case? first, out of all of the things he's being investigated for, was this the silly move? well actually, it's a very good question . and a it's a very good question. and a lot of people question- d and a lot of people question that none of lot of people question that none ei vnese— lot of people question that none of these prosecutions are coordinated. _ of these prosecutions are coordinated. they are what they ani— coordinated. they are what they ani ivegs— coordinated. they are what they are. and brags is— coordinated. they are what they are. and brags is brags . and we are. and brags is brags. and we neve— are. and brags is brags. and we neve e— are. and brags is brags. and we neve e siesiei— are. and brags is brags. and we have a special counsel appointed by vne— have a special counsel appointed by the department— have a special counsel appointed by the department of justice, by the by the department of justice, by he by— by the department of justice, by he iv vne— by the department of justice, by the by the justice— by the department of justice, by the by the justice department . the by the justice department. but the by the justice department. inv vne— the by the justice department. in nne is— the by the justice department. but who is who— the by the justice department. but who is who will be coming evvev— but who is who will be coming evvev nnni— but who is who will be coming after trump for— but who is who will be coming after trump for mar—a—lago and for after trump for mar—a—lago and iev vne— after trump for mar—a—lago and iev vne iennevv— after trump for mar—a—lago and for the january 6th— for the january 6th insurrection. then we have enevnen— insurrection. then we have enevnev sese— insurrection. then we have another case which is a case egeinsv— another case which is a case egeinsv .— another case which is a case egeinsv . a— another case which is a case against . a woman who accused him against. a woman who accused him of against. a woman who accused him ei veiing— against. a woman who accused him ev veiing nin— against. a woman who accused him ev veiing nm, ei— against. a woman who accused him of raping him, of raping her in a of raping him, of raping her in e vevv— of raping him, of raping her in evevv. tony— of raping him, of raping her in a very. tony, ladies department sieve— a very. tony, ladies department sveve en— a very. tony, ladies department store on fifth— a very. tony, ladies department store on fifth avenue. and then he store on fifth avenue. and then is vnen— store on fifth avenue. and then is vnen ne— store on fifth avenue. and then he then he said— store on fifth avenue. and then he then he said and now she's sning— he then he said and now she's sning nin— he then he said and now she's sning nin iev— he then he said and now she's suing him for defamation. so vnis— suing him for defamation. so vnis sinn— suing him for defamation. so this stuff doesn't stop. and he

seie— this stuff doesn't stop. and he seii ve— this stuff doesn't stop. and he said to basically— this stuff doesn't stop. and he said to basically in his typical vevv— said to basically in his typical new york slang,— said to basically in his typical new york slang, he says she's vee— new york slang, he says she's vee ngiv— new york slang, he says she's iee ngiv iev— new york slang, he says she's iee ngiv vev ne— new york slang, he says she's too ugly for me to— new york slang, he says she's too ugly for me to go near. i veniin-v— too ugly for me to go near. i wouldn't have— too ugly for me to go near. i wouldn't have raped her. and now she wouldn't have raped her. and now sne sne-s— wouldn't have raped her. and now sne sne-s sning— wouldn't have raped her. and now she she's suing him— wouldn't have raped her. and now she she's suing him for defamation— she she's suing him for defamation of character. she's enive— defamation of character. she's gnive e— defamation of character. she's quite a charming,— defamation of character. she's quite a charming, sophisticated ieiv— quite a charming, sophisticated ieiv. se— quite a charming, sophisticated lady. so there's— quite a charming, sophisticated lady. so there's and then vneve-s— lady. so there's and then there's this— lady. so there's and then there's this sense georgia. lady. so there's and then ther

attack by bringing this. i know you say they're not organised, but one being brought but this one being brought at all weak sauce in all seems to be weak sauce in comparison to some of the others. well well, when you put them together and bragg is them all together and bragg is putting these there's another one where he david pecker, who was who was a national enquirer , he got a story with one of these gals and he did what's called catch and kill. he did the story. he bought- called catch and kill. he did the story. he bought it.- i: viivi“ i“v: cc he did the story. he bought it. and he viiiei— the story. he bought it. and he viiiei iv.— the story. he bought it. and he killed it. now— the story. he bought it. and he killed it. now that's another ineve— killed it. now that's another one. there mounting now, one. there mounting up. now, neve-s— one. there mounting up. now, neve-s-neiiens- one. there mounting up. now, here's-happens in- one. there mounting up. now, here's happens in america. here's what happens in america. as here's what happens in america. is ven— here's what happens in america. is ven snev.— here's what happens in america. is ven knew. in— here's what happens in america. as you know, in great britain, i ieiiev— as you know, in great britain, i veiiev iveivv— as you know, in great britain, i follow pretty closely . we have follow pretty closely. we have you— follow pretty closely. we have ven snev. — follow pretty closely. we have ven knew. we — follow pretty closely. we have you know, we have the moderates, the you know, we have the moderates, vne vevv— you know, we have the moderates, vne ieiv .— you know, we have the moderates, vne ieiv . vne— you know, we have the moderates, the left , the right.— you know, we have the moderates, the left , the right. we have the the left, the right. we have the inneviss— the left, the right. we have the inneviss .— the left, the right. we have the inneviss . ven— the left, the right. we have the lunatics , you know, the maga lunatics, you know, the maga geens— lunatics, you know, the maga geens vnev— lunatics, you know, the maga geens vnev i— lunatics, you know, the maga goons that i call— lunatics, you know, the maga goons that i call them, his iissinies— goons that i call them, his disciples. and— goons that i call them, his disciples. and then we have the vesi— disciples. and then we have the vesv sevii— disciples. and then we have the rock solid republicans who i iive— rock solid republicans who i we, iive— rock solid republicans who i like, like ike— rock solid republicans who i like, like ike ,_ rock solid republicans who i like, like ike , like, you know, like, like ike, like, you know, vvesiienv— like, like ike, like, you know, president eisenhower and george nvv. — president eisenhower and george nvv. nnsn— president eisenhower and george nvv. insn eni— president eisenhower and george h.w. bush and those kind of iseiniiisens— h.w. bush and those kind of republicans .— h.w. bush and those kind of republicans . and bragg case republicans. and bragg case ieves— republicans. and bragg case ieves vnev— republicans. and bragg case proves that you— republicans. and bragg case proves that you can hold donald ivnni— proves that you can hold donald ivnni ieei— proves that you can hold donald ivnni ieev ve— proves that you can hold donald trump feet to the— proves that you can hold donald trump feet to the fire without a

sivii— trump feet to the fire without a sivii — trump feet to the fire without a sivii ani— trump feet to the fire without a civil war. and that's what trump ivving— civil war. and that's what trump ivving ve— civil war. and that's what trump ivving ie sev. — civil war. and that's what trump was trying to say. now all these iseiniiisens— was trying to say. now all these republicans are— was trying to say. now all these republicans are not the really iive— republicans are not the really iiie vne— republicans are not the really like the john— republicans are not the really like the john mccain republicans are like the john mccain republicans nev— like the john mccain republicans nei geing— like the john mccain republicans nei geing ve— like the john mccain republicans are not going to go with trump. ani— are not going to go with trump. ani vne— are not going to go with trump. and the middle— are not going to go with trump. and the middle of— are not going to go with trump. and the middle of the roaders vneie— and the middle of the roaders vneve nesv— and the middle of the roaders where most elections are won. ven— where most elections are won. ven snev.— where most elections are won. ven snev. vne— where most elections are won. you know, the swing voters are nev— you know, the swing voters are nei geing— you know, the swing voters are nei geing ve— you know, the swing voters are nei geing ie ge— you know, the swing voters are not going to go for trump iesense— not going to go for trump because can— not going to go for trump because can you imagine suburban neving— because can you imagine suburban neving ve— because can you imagine suburban moms having to explain to their iengnvev— moms having to explain to their iengniev vnev— moms having to explain to their daughter what sex— moms having to explain to their daughter what sex with a star is? daughter what sex with a star is iieene— daughter what sex with a star is iieene iv— daughter what sex with a star is? mean? it doesn't it doesn't vevv— is? mean? it doesn't it doesn't vevs iev— is? mean? it doesn't it doesn't work for trump.— is? mean? it doesn't it doesn't work for trump. it— is? mean? it doesn't it doesn't work for trump. it doesn't make nin— work for trump. it doesn't make nin ieei— work for trump. it doesn't make him look like— work for trump. it doesn't make him look like a— work for trump. it doesn't make him look like a good guy. the nei— him look like a good guy. the nei ve— him look like a good guy. the had to explain— him look like a good guy. the had to explain what he said on vnev— had to explain what he said on vnev ins— had to explain what he said on that bus once. _ had to explain what he said on that bus once. but- had to explain what he said on that bus once. but i want to move you off of trump because i worry your blood pressure. worry about your blood pressure. i i worry about i want to worry. i worry about your john your blood pressure. john christopher, let's talk about biden. have we snubbed? biden. have we been snubbed? is he over to king's he not coming over to the king's coronation ? oh, biden he spoke coronation? oh, biden he spoke i ieiieve— coronation? oh, biden he spoke i ieiieve ne— coronation? oh, biden he spoke i believe he spoke— coronation? oh, biden he spoke i believe he spoke to— coronation? oh, biden he spoke i believe he spoke to his- i7 oh, biden he spoke i believe he spoke to his majesty . ve— believe he spoke to his majesty . he is— believe he spoke to his majesty . he is. in— believe he spoke to his majesty . he is. in iess— believe he spoke to his majesty . he is, in fact ,_ believe he spoke to his majesty . he is, in fact , he— believe he spoke to his majesty . he is, in fact , he did speak . he is, in fact, he did speak to . he is, in fact, he did speak ve vis— . he is, in fact, he did speak ie is iieiesiv— . he is, in fact, he did speak to his majesty. he is there nesn-v— to his majesty. he is there nesn-v ieen— to his majesty. he is there hasn't been a— to his majesty. he is there hasn't been a president in seneiniv— hasn't been a president in seneiniv in— hasn't been a president in certainly in my- hasn't been a president in certainly in my lifetime and seneiniv— certainly in my lifetime and certainly since— certainly in my lifetime and certainly since her majesty , certainly since her majesty, eneen— certainly since her majesty, queen elizabeth, that has esvneiiv— queen elizabeth, that has actually gone— queen elizabeth, that has actually gone to the coronation

vnen— actually gone to the coronation vnen iv— actually gone to the coronation vnen iv ves— actually gone to the coronation when it was other— actually gone to the coronation when it was other . it actually gone to the coronation when it was other. it was back in vnen— when it was other. it was back in vnen vne— when it was other. it was back in when the queen was coronated and in when the queen was coronated eni i— in when the queen was coronated eni i ieiieve— in when the queen was coronated and i believe 52,— in when the queen was coronated and i believe 52, some very high ievei— and i believe 52, some very high level potentates_ and i believe 52, some very high level potentates from america . level potentates from america. seevge— level potentates from america. george marshall— level potentates from america. george marshall of the marshall u...— george marshall of the marshall vien .— george marshall of the marshall vien . i— george marshall of the marshall plan , i believe— george marshall of the marshall plan , i believe chief justice plan, i believe chief justice ieii— plan, i believe chief justice ievi vvenen— plan, i believe chief justice earl warren went out but didn't go. earl warren went out but didn't ge. ani— earl warren went out but didn't ge. ani ive— earl warren went out but didn't ge. ani ike eni— earl warren went out but didn't go. and ike and i— earl warren went out but didn't go. and ike and i know churchill vevv— go. and ike and i know churchill vevv siese— go. and ike and i know churchill were very close .— go. and ike and i know churchill were very close . the first lady were very close. the first lady is geing. — were very close. the first lady is geing. ani— were very close. the first lady is geing. ani i— were very close. the first lady is going. and i think she is enive— is going. and i think she is gnive en— is going. and i think she is quite an extraordinary woman . quite an extraordinary woman. ine— quite an extraordinary woman. is visv— quite an extraordinary woman. is iivsv ieiv— quite an extraordinary woman. the first lady and the president ievn— the first lady and the president both attended _ the first lady and the president both attended her majesty, the eneen— both attended her majesty, the queen elizabeth's funeral and sne— queen elizabeth's funeral and sne is— queen elizabeth's funeral and sne is e— queen elizabeth's funeral and sne is e vevv— queen elizabeth's funeral and she is a very classy lady. and i vninv— she is a very classy lady. and i vninv snev-s— she is a very classy lady. and i think that's traditionally what neiiens— think that's traditionally what neiiens ne— think that's traditionally what neiiens .— think that's traditionally what happens now . joe biden will be happens now. joe biden will be in in— happens now. joe biden will be in in ireland,— happens now. joe biden will be in in ireland, northern ireland, vnisn— in in ireland, northern ireland, vnisn is— in in ireland, northern ireland, vnisn is vne— in in ireland, northern ireland, which is the uk— in in ireland, northern ireland, which is the uk and in ireland , which is the uk and in ireland, egein— which is the uk and in ireland, .ggn, eise— which is the uk and in ireland, .ggn, eise vevv— which is the uk and in ireland, again, also very soon. i can't give— again, also very soon. i can't give ven— again, also very soon. i can't give ven vne— again, also very soon. i can't give you the dates. i don't i'm nev— give you the dates. i don't i'm nei privy— give you the dates. i don't i'm nei ivivv vev— give you the dates. i don't i'm not privy for those— give you the dates. i don't i'm not privy for those dates, but ne-ii— not privy for those dates, but ne-ii ie— not privy for those dates, but he'll be over— not privy for those dates, but he'll be over there and he'll snev— he'll be over there and he'll show-respect— he'll be over there and he'll show - respect to - he'll be over there and he'll show respect to the people show his respect to the people of show his respect to the people ei nennevn— show his respect to the people of northern ireland for the for the of northern ireland for the for he essevi— of northern ireland for the for the accord, you— of northern ireland for the for the accord, you know, the peace

essevi— the accord, you know, the peace essevi vnisn — the accord, you know, the peace accord, which is— the accord, you know, the peace accord, which is you think this nes— accord, which is you think this nes ieen— accord, which is you think this has been whipped up as a story vnene — has been whipped up as a story then? because— has been whipped up as a story then? because a— has been whipped up as a story then? because a lot- has been whipped up as a story then? i then? because a lot of newspapers are taking angle newspapers are taking the angle of being snubbed. of how the uk is being snubbed. why think they're why do you think they're picking that fight? well, that particular fight? well, i don't know. maybe- i �*7 gi“7 well, i don't know. maybe they want to sevi— don't know. maybe they want to seii eeiens.— don't know. maybe they want to sell papers. they're always ieeving— sell papers. they're always looking controversy. looking for controversy. you snev.— looking for controversy. you knee—seiisi know, as we say, that sells nevvseeiis— know, as we say, that sells newspapers. relations newspapers. the relations ievveen— newspapers. the relations i between—kingdom newspapers. the relations- between_kingdom and between the united kingdom and the between the united kingdom and sne-sieves— between the united kingdom and sne-sieves is— between the united kingdom and the states is wonderful . the united states is wonderful. it's the united states is wonderful. ii-s ivesiens— the united states is wonderful. ii-s ivesiens .— the united states is wonderful. it's precious . you— the united states is wonderful. it's precious . you know, i don't it's precious. you know, i don't it's precious. you know, i don't i een-v— it's precious. you know, i don't i ien-v gev— it's precious. you know, i don't i don't get there— it's precious. you know, i don't i don't get there enough . and, i don't get there enough. and, you— i don't get there enough. and, ven snev.— i don't get there enough. and, ven snev. ive— i don't get there enough. and, you know, i've been there doing a you know, i've been there doing e iev— you know, i've been there doing e iev ei— you know, i've been there doing e iev ei iv— you know, i've been there doing a lot of tv and— you know, i've been there doing a lot of tv and radio. my wife venis— a lot of tv and radio. my wife vevvs in— a lot of tv and radio. my wife vevvs in vne— a lot of tv and radio. my wife works in the city.— a lot of tv and radio. my wife works in the city. when we come over some our favourite over some of our favourite vesenvensvv— over some of our favourite restaurants-bars- over some of our favourite restaurants bars are in restaurants and bars are in venien— restaurants and bars are in london throughout the london and all throughout the us.— london and all throughout the us—ien-v- uk. but we don't we don't iesense— uk. but we don't we don't because pandemic , but uk. but we don't we don't- because-pandemic , but we because of the pandemic, but we like because of the pandemic, but we iivelie— because of the pandemic, but we iivelie sening— because of the pandemic, but we like-be coming over- because of the pandemic, but we like be coming over more . and like to be coming over more. and i'll like to be coming over more. and i-ii-iiien— like to be coming over more. and i'll-biden will- like to be coming over more. and i'll-biden will will- i'll tell you, biden will will visiv— i'll tell you, biden will will visit-charles- i'll tell you, biden will will visit charles soon, and visit king charles soon, and i snsiesv— visit king charles soon, and i snsiesv vne— visit king charles soon, and i suspect the king— visit king charles soon, and i suspect the king will be very, very — suspect the king will be very, very vevv— suspect the king will be very, very vevv insv— suspect the king will be very, very, very busy with his own celebration— very, very busy with his own celebration and— very, very busy with his own celebration and with his sons eni— celebration and with his sons eni evi— celebration and with his sons eni eii nis— celebration and with his sons and all his grandchildren and venievini— and all his grandchildren and wonderful things. and i wish him the wonderful things. and i wish him he iess.— wonderful things. and i wish him he iesv. sei— wonderful things. and i wish him the best. god bless— wonderful things. and i wish him the best. god bless the king �*jivjvi; the best. god bless the king we viii— the best. god bless the king we will endeavour— the best. god bless the king we will endeavour to— the best. god bless the king we will endeavour to keep- the best. god bless the king we will endeavour to keep this relationship special. but thank you for that white house political correspondent john christopher for christopher bucha. thank you for giving the update on trump

giving us the update on trump there. coming up, there. well, coming up, we've got papers at 1030 sharp got the papers at 1030 sharp with full pundit reaction. we'll see you .

in three. welcome back . it's time in three. welcome back. it's time for a look at tomorrow morning's newspaper papers. hot off the press. we start with the times, which goes with housing targets scrapped fears of nimby charter as wave of local authorities ditch plans for new homes. the indian pendant, how could they stoop so low? we were talking about this. the tweets and the message sent out by labour, the pressure grows on starmer over gutter politics advert, accusing sunak of being soft on child sex abusers . yet labour defies abusers. yet labour defies backlash to publish second attack on pm. the daily express king invites hundreds making uk great to coronation . the king is great to coronation. the king is shunning tradition by inviting hundreds of charity workers to witness the historic moment when

he is crowned the daily telegraph . two british sisters telegraph. two british sisters shot dead in west bank as their main story gold plated public sector pensions to rise twice as much as average wage . they also much as average wage. they also tell us. plus in one of the boxes on the front page of the daily telegraph, heavier lorries plan potholes to the plan means more potholes to the eye that they go with blair don't take peace in northern ireland for granted. plus also water bosses get environment bonuses despite white sewage spills. the mirror gives us a crowning glory for our real heroes 850 community great. ianed heroes 850 community great. invited to people's coronation in the financial times. export ice stir russia sanction fears us and then to the daily mail. kate found walkabout with harry and meghan, one of the hardest things she's ever had to do. just one of the astonishing revelations in a new book that lays bare the war of the windsors serialised in a certain newspaper and the daily star. some words out, buns out . 25

some words out, buns out. 25 c spnng some words out, buns out. 25 c spring heatwave next week after blue sky week end. at least there's a bit of good news there. well, with me to discuss this, we can go through these newspapers with broadcaster and journalist nina myskow . we've journalist nina myskow. we've got political commentator benjamin loughnane and leader of ukip neil hamilton. let's jump ukip neil hamilton. let'sjump into the papers then. let's starting with the times. this housing target scrapped is this ever going to work? because this always is the thing. there's not enough houses. we need more houses. there be houses. no one wants there to be more that's paradox more houses. that's a paradox that benjamin that we can't fix. benjamin well, there's two problems here. first all is the nimbyism. i first of all is the nimbyism. i vninv—seive- first of all is the nimbyism. i- think—solve nimbyism think the way you solve nimbyism is—nenses- is by building better houses. no ene-ieveiv— is by building better houses. no one-lovely fields- is by building better houses. no one lovely fields next one wants the lovely fields next vnen — one wants the lovely fields next vnen ve — one wants the lovely fields next vnen e is — one wants the lovely fields next them to be covered, these them to be covered, and these ienevv— them to be covered, and these barratt homes,— them to be covered, and these barratt homes, you know, iievsniev— barratt homes, you know, matchbox things which look neniiie— matchbox things which look horrible and— matchbox things which look horrible and all look the same eni— horrible and all look the same eni vnen— horrible and all look the same and then-don't- horrible and all look the same and then don't build any and then they don't build any ssneeis— and then they don't build any schools-services- schools or public services or envining— schools or public services or envining eise— schools or public services or anything else like shops or enviiing— anything else like shops or envininglve— anything else like shops or anything. to account anything. so to account to iesvev— anything. so to account to iesvevle— anything. so to account to factor a increase in factor in a new increase in ieinieiien.— factor in a new increase in ieinieiienli- factor in a new increase in population. i think if they population. so i think if they did population. so i think if they iii-inings— did those things, people veniin-v— did those things, people wouldn't-sol wouldn't oppose it. so eggvessiveiv- wouldn't oppose it. so aggressively as they do. they'll eivevs— aggressively as they do. they'll always. nimbys_ aggressively as they do. they'll always. nimbys ,_ aggressively as they do. they'll always nimbys , but i think

always be nimbys, but i think ven-i—eni- always be nimbys, but i think you'd—and they'd. always be nimbys, but i think- you'd_and they'd have you'd have fewer and they'd have iess—ven— you'd have fewer and they'd have iess—ven senie- you'd have fewer and they'd have less—you could get. less support and you could get more-bum. — less support and you could get more-built. .other. more things built. the other factor— more things built. the other factor-of— more things built. the other factor-of course- more things built. the other factor of course immigration. factor is of course immigration. vou— factor is of course immigration.i you—the you do need to acknowledge the fact— you do need to acknowledge the fact that— you do need to acknowledge the fact that increasing the population— fact that increasing the population such a fast rate population at such a fast rate puts— population at such a fast rate puts enormous— population at such a fast rate puts enormous strain on the housing— puts enormous strain on the housing market.— puts enormous strain on the housing market. it drives the prices— housing market. it drives the prices up.— housing market. it drives the prices up. n— housing market. it drives the prices up. it makes it far harder— prices up. it makes it far harder to— prices up. it makes it far harder to get— prices up. it makes it far harder to get on the housing redder.— harder to get on the housing redder. arre— harder to get on the housing ladder. and you've got ladder. and if you've got nrrrevrem— ladder. and if you've got nimbyism nimbys the one side nimbyism nimbys on the one side and—otherl and pro—immigration on the other erre— and pro—immigration on the other ewe-ermpry— and pro—immigration on the other side,-simply can't- side, you just simply can't reuse— side, you just simply can't house—nina. side, you just simply can't. house—nina let's side, you just simply can't- house_nina let's look house everyone. nina let's look at the maths on this. if you build enough houses and house pnces build enough houses and house prices down so can prices come down so people can afford those who own afford them, those who own houses aren't going to like that and aren't to and therefore aren't going to vote parties that vote for parties that make that happen. absolutely . and happen. well, absolutely. and this this is just happen. well, absolutely. and this-this is just selfish,- this is this is just selfish, ream,— this is this is just selfish, really, because- this is this is just selfish, really, because one of the rerrrbre— really, because one of the terrible things— really, because one of the terrible things , as we were terrible things, as we were discussing— terrible things, as we were discussing earlier, is that young— discussing earlier, is that young pewte— discussing earlier, is that young people cannot get on the housing— young people cannot get on the housing market.— young people cannot get on the housing market. and you look at other— housing market. and you look at other problems— housing market. and you look at other problems like, for rrreerrere— other problems like, for instance,-,. other problems like, for- instance,-, tourist instance, you know, tourist hotspots— instance, you know, tourist hotspots like,— instance, you know, tourist hotspots like, you know , like hotspots like, you know, like comm“,— hotspots like, you know, like cornwall, because there's so merry— cornwall, because there's so merry peepre— cornwall, because there's so many people want to live there are— many people want to live there are ee— many people want to live there are so merry— many people want to live there and so many people want to visit there.— and so many people want to visit there. young— and so many people want to visit there. young people, particularly- there. young people, particularly can't get onto the housing— particularly can't get onto the housing market— particularly can't get onto the housing market because there are so merry—

housing market because there are so merry armres— housing market because there are so many airbnbs being used and so many airbnbs being used and so rt— so many airbnbs being used and so it seeme— so many airbnbs being used and so it re— so many airbnbs being used and so it seems to be— so many airbnbs being used and so it seems to be a— so many airbnbs being used and so it seems to be a complete rrereue— so it seems to be a complete vicious circle.— so it seems to be a complete vicious circle. but— so it seems to be a complete vicious circle. but i mean, if rhe— vicious circle. but i mean, if the government— vicious circle. but i mean, if the government doesn't have a target— the government doesn't have a target erre— the government doesn't have a target and stick— the government doesn't have a target and stick to— the government doesn't have a target and stick to it, i mean, miereer— target and stick to it, i mean, michael gove— target and stick to it, i mean, michael gove says here that he's rammed— michael gove says here that he's rammed ther— michael gove says here that he's admitted that the— michael gove says here that he's admitted that the government worm— admitted that the government we re— admitted that the government would no longer— admitted that the government would no longer pursue a mandatory— would no longer pursue a mandatory target of 300,000 new homes— mandatory target of 300,000 new homes a— mandatory target of 300,000 new homes a year— mandatory target of 300,000 new homes a year .— mandatory target of 300,000 new homes a year. you've got to have a homes a year. you've got to have ererger— homes a year. you've got to have ererger refere— homes a year. you've got to have a target before you— homes a year. you've got to have a target before you can reach something. — a target before you can reach something. you— a target before you can reach something. you can't just give up erre— something. you can't just give up and ear,— something. you can't just give up and say, well,— something. you can't just give up and say, well, we're not going— up and say, well, we're not gerrg re— up and say, well, we're not gerrg re ge— up and say, well, we're not going to 90 for_ up and say, well, we're not going to go for it, go for it. are— going to go for it, go for it. are nee.— going to go for it, go for it. and neil, are— going to go for it, go for it. and neil, are we— going to go for it, go for it. and neil, are we building the right homes affordability? has that been factored in? well, there are parts of— that been factored in? well, there are parts of the- " f: 7 well, there are parts of the country, of course, where _ there are parts of the country, of course, where houses are effereebre— of course, where houses are affordable problem affordable. the problem of affordability— affordable. the problem of affordability largely one of affordability is largely one of lender— affordability is largely one of loreen-rhe— affordability is largely one of london the south—east. but london and the south—east. but we ree— london and the south—east. but we read me— london and the south—east. but we her the key— london and the south—east. but we had the key point made right at we— we had the key point made right at we start— we had the key point made right at the start here. _ at the start here. fundamentally, this is a at the start here.— fundamentally, this is a problem of migration— fundamentally, this is a problem or mrgrewerr .— fundamentally, this is a problem of migration . it's— fundamentally, this is a problem of migration . it's not just the of migration. it's not just the peopte— of migration. it's not just the peepre wre— of migration. it's not just the peepre who re— of migration. it's not just the people who are coming in on erran— people who are coming in on erreu beare— people who are coming in on small boats across the channel in small boats across the channel we we— small boats across the channel in the wee— small boats across the channel in the last 20— small boats across the channel in the last 20 years, we've added—peeprel in the last 20 years, we've. added—people to in the last 20 years, we've- added_people to our added 6.5 million people to our pepwrewerr— added 6.5 million people to our pepwrerrew .— added 6.5 million people to our pepwrerrerr . wr— added 6.5 million people to our population . in the— added 6.5 million people to our population . in the united population. in the united «regrow— population. in the united kingdom, million. that's10% kingdom, 6.5 million. that's10% of kingdom, 6.5 million. that's10% ef-erwre— kingdom, 6.5 million. that's10% of entire population has of our entire population has arrived— of our entire population has arrived here— of our entire population has arrived here since the year moo.— arrived here since the year 2000. wre— arrived here since the year 2000. this absolutely 2000. this is absolutely unprecedented. we've never seen

wrerewerr— unprecedented. we've never seen migrewew er— unprecedented. we've never seen migration at these— unprecedented. we've never seen migration at these levels in the where— migration at these levels in the where or— migration at these levels in the where or rew— migration at these levels in the whole of my lifetime. when enoch reweu— whole of my lifetime. when enoch rower-rew— whole of my lifetime. when enoch powell now notorious powell made his now notorious speech— powell made his now notorious speech-rivers— powell made his now notorious epeeerr -rwere er- powell made his now notorious speech rivers of blood in speech about rivers of blood in wee,— speech about rivers of blood in wee, we— speech about rivers of blood in wee, we wee— speech about rivers of blood in 1968, we were at— speech about rivers of blood in 1968, we were at graceful. we were disgraceful— 1968, we were at graceful. we were disgraceful .— 1968, we were at graceful. we were disgraceful . but let's not were disgraceful. but let's not argue— were disgraceful. but let's not argue wret— were disgraceful. but let's not argue that the— were disgraceful. but let's not argue that the point. i'm i'm eewrrg— argue that the point. i'm i'm eewrrg wre— argue that the point. i'm i'm saying this merely to give you a wrreurre— saying this merely to give you a wrreurre err— saying this merely to give you a timeline on that. _ saying this merely to give you a timeline on that. in 1968, the wet— timeline on that. in 1968, the new addition— timeline on that. in 1968, the net addition to— timeline on that. in 1968, the net addition to our population 50,000,— net addition to our population was 50,000, one— net addition to our population was 50,000, one tenth of what it weer— was 50,000, one tenth of what it we wear. — was 50,000, one tenth of what it was last year. last— was 50,000, one tenth of what it was last year. last year, we added— was last year. last year, we added rew— was last year. last year, we added half a— was last year. last year, we added half a million people to our added half a million people to pepwrerrerr— added half a million people to our population from immigration rower— our population from immigration rower arre— our population from immigration alone. and those— our population from immigration alone. and those are just the ones we know— alone. and those are just the ones we know about. so however rearw— ones we know about. so however merry rrregere— ones we know about. so however many illegals have— ones we know about. so however many illegals have managed to eeeeep— many illegals have managed to escape, detection— many illegals have managed to escape, detection is way beyond weer.— escape, detection is way beyond weer. se— escape, detection is way beyond weer. so or— escape, detection is way beyond that. so of course— escape, detection is way beyond that. so of course ,_ escape, detection is way beyond that. so of course , if we're not that. so of course, if we're not going— that. so of course, if we're not going to— that. so of course, if we're not gerwg re re— that. so of course, if we're not going to be building many rwrwreee— going to be building many hundreds of— going to be building many hundreds of thousands of more wewerwe— hundreds of thousands of more rewerrrg unwe— hundreds of thousands of more housing units to— hundreds of thousands of more housing units to use a rather g...— housing units to use a rather grim ierrr— housing units to use a rather grim ierrr ewery— housing units to use a rather grim term every year than we are ieeewee— grim term every year than we are because we're building about 2 to because we're building about 2 ie 300.000— because we're building about 2 to 300,000 housing units a year, eei— to 300,000 housing units a year, eei were— to 300,000 housing units a year, but we're adding— to 300,000 housing units a year, but we're adding half a million to but we're adding half a million re ew— but we're adding half a million to our population— but we're adding half a million to our population every year. cieeriw— to our population every year. clearly something has got to give— clearly something has got to give somewhere,— clearly something has got to give somewhere, hasn't it? and rm— give somewhere, hasn't it? and we eireii— give somewhere, hasn't it? and i'm afraid until— give somewhere, hasn't it? and i'm afraid until the government eeie— i'm afraid until the government eeie e— i'm afraid until the government eeie a grip— i'm afraid until the government gets a grip upon— i'm afraid until the government gets a grip upon legal migration

, irri— gets a grip upon legal migration , ieri wren— gets a grip upon legal migration , ian, then we're— gets a grip upon legal migration , ian, then we're never going to get— , ian, then we're never going to eei owi— , ian, then we're never going to eei eei ei— , ian, then we're never going to eei our of wie— , ian, then we're never going to get out of this problem. two winge— get out of this problem. two winge- — get out of this problem. two iiirrge. wise.— get out of this problem. two things. also, you- get out of this problem. two things. f: things. also, you could view them as two separate issues by failing to solve the issue of not building enough houses. it causes other problems which you can problems . you've can call other problems. you've still enough still failed to build enough houses. absolutely. other absolutely . people.- ' c�*icg other absolutely . people. everyone absolutely. people. everyone eiee— absolutely. people. everyone eiee. ii— absolutely. people. everyone eiee. if new— absolutely. people. everyone else. if they can't even build wsz— else. if they can't even build hs2 ,_ else. if they can't even build wsz , rew— else. if they can't even build hs2 , how are— else. if they can't even build hs2 , how are they going to build hs2, how are they going to build ireweeee— hs2, how are they going to build ireweeee wiri— hs2, how are they going to build houses? what as— hs2, how are they going to build houses? what as i— hs2, how are they going to build houses? what as i said before, wiri— houses? what as i said before, wirei ie— houses? what as i said before, wirei ie wrong— houses? what as i said before, what is wrong with us as a country— what is wrong with us as a eewrriw ieei— what is wrong with us as a country that we- what is wrong with us as a country that we so fail to take our engineering— country that we so fail to take our engineering skills ? 'i: c our engineering skills? and it's a warning— our engineering skills? and it's a planning problem, isn't it? i think it's also overregulation. we think it's also overregulation. we reeve— think it's also overregulation. we have ee— think it's also overregulation. we have so many— think it's also overregulation. we have so many middle manager owners and regulators and iwreewereew— owners and regulators and bureaucracy at— owners and regulators and bureaucracy at the moment that retiring— bureaucracy at the moment that retiring eer— bureaucracy at the moment that nothing ever gets— bureaucracy at the moment that nothing ever gets approved , nothing ever gets approved, rowing— nothing ever gets approved, weiirirrg geie— nothing ever gets approved, nothing gets the process nothing gets through the process for eieriirrg— nothing gets through the process for starting-build— nothing gets through the process for starting build houses, for starting to build houses, eeiee— for starting to build houses, were ee— for starting to build houses, takes so long,— for starting to build houses, takes so long, or- for starting to build houses, takes so long, or something like aweeeiei— takes so long, or something like anoosheh ashoori_ takes so long, or something like anoosheh ashoori or hs2. blame the anoosheh ashoori or hs2. blame ire government— anoosheh ashoori or hs2. blame the government because the it has over top . we are has to are over the top. we are over well, no, over governed. well, no, i don't. i don't necessarily agree that are. think are just that we are. i think we are just badly we are badly badly governed. we are badly governed need to change governed and we need to change the governed the government badly governed whoever's is not whoever's in power. this is not rreeeeeeriiw— whoever's in power. this is not necessarily not necessarily. necessarily me. not necessarily. iei-i— necessarily me. not necessarily. eei-right,— necessarily me. not necessarily. .gn-g-gggg, iei-e— necessarily me. not necessarily. isn't - right, let's turn -

isn't it? all right, let's turn to isn't it? all right, let's turn ie-i. — isn't it? all right, let's turn ie-i. eieir— isn't it? all right, let's turn to-i. blair don't- isn't it? all right, let's turn to i. blair don't take peace to the i. blair don't take peace in to the i. blair don't take peace ire wewierw— to the i. blair don't take peace in northern ireland for granted. tony— in northern ireland for granted. ierw eieir— in northern ireland for granted. tony blair warns— in northern ireland for granted. tony blair warns of ongoing iirreei— tony blair warns of ongoing iirreei ie— tony blair warns of ongoing threat to peace— tony blair warns of ongoing threat to peace in northern ireierri— threat to peace in northern ireierri rer— threat to peace in northern ireland for the— threat to peace in northern ireland for the 25th anniversary of we— ireland for the 25th anniversary of we egei— ireland for the 25th anniversary of the good friday— ireland for the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement. arri— of the good friday agreement. ari ire— of the good friday agreement. ari iie re— of the good friday agreement. and its are his— of the good friday agreement. and its are his worries . o" and its are his worries. oh, god,— and its are his worries. oh, god, absolutely.— and its are his worries. oh, god, absolutely. you know, those of us who lived through that whole you know, those decades of the troubles, we understand what it was like. and it was it was horrendous. and the fact that they managed to some how broker a peace all those years ago was an absolute miracle. and we're kind of teetering on the edge with this now. we really are . with this now. we really are. the fact that there hasn't been a government in northern ireland, there still warring with that . the fact that that with that. the fact that that policeman was shot, you know , policeman was shot, you know, it's all kind of there's also been a terrorist threat for easter monday. so they have very, very good intel about, you know, attacks being planned . you know, attacks being planned. you know, attacks being planned. you know, we cannot go back to this. we cannot go back. it's the most precious thing that's happened

is that we managed to get some kind of a peace and it's got to be maintained . we're kind of a peace and it's got to be maintained. we're a kind of a peace and it's got to be maintained . we're a world be maintained. we're a world away— be maintained. we're a world away from— be maintained. we're a world away from where— be maintained. we're a world away from where we - “ci: we're a world away from where we were 30 years age. — away from where we were 30 years ago. i— away from where we were 30 years ago. i mee— away from where we were 30 years ago. i eo— away from where we were 30 years ago. i mean, 30 years ago, i was on ago. i mean, 30 years ago, i was err-ieii— ago. i mean, 30 years ago, i was ewliiwi ieeie— ago. i mean, 30 years ago, i was on.ira death list— ago. i mean, 30 years ago, i was on ira death list because on an ira death list because i iei— on an ira death list because i iei-irre— on an ira death list because i had-the northern- on an ira death list because i had the northern ireland had been the northern ireland wrig— had been the northern ireland whip-weare— had been the northern ireland whip years, getting all whip for two years, getting all the government's legislation reieiirrg— the government's legislation relating northern ireland relating to northern ireland through.— relating to northern ireland iirewgir. arri— relating to northern ireland through. and if— relating to northern ireland through. and if i went to nowhere— through. and if i went to northern ireland, i did northern ireland, which i did regwieriw— northern ireland, which i did regwieriw .— northern ireland, which i did regularly , even— northern ireland, which i did regularly , even staying regularly, even staying in hillsborough_,- regularly, even staying in hillsborough , which regularly, even staying in- hillsborough-, which was, hillsborough castle, which was, you hillsborough castle, which was, we knew— hillsborough castle, which was, you knew .— hillsborough castle, which was, you knew , e— hillsborough castle, which was, you know , a fortified building, you know, a fortified building, arri— you know, a fortified building, and i— you know, a fortified building, and i iei— you know, a fortified building, and i had two— you know, a fortified building, and i had two men with submachine_ and i had two men with submachine guns accompanied me if i submachine guns accompanied me if i werriei— submachine guns accompanied me if i weriei ie— submachine guns accompanied me if i weriei re ge— submachine guns accompanied me if i wanted to go for— submachine guns accompanied me if i wanted to go for a walk in we— if i wanted to go for a walk in iire gerieri— if i wanted to go for a walk in the garden, you— if i wanted to go for a walk in the garden, you know, we were a worm— the garden, you know, we were a werii awry— the garden, you know, we were a werii awry-iii— the garden, you know, we were a world away - all of - the garden, you know, we were a world away all of that. and world away from all of that. and yes,— world away from all of that. and wee were— world away from all of that. and vesr were re— world away from all of that. and vesr iirere e— world away from all of that. and yes, there are a small number of ieiieeie— yes, there are a small number of hotheads that— yes, there are a small number of hotheads that that— yes, there are a small number of hotheads that that won't accept the hotheads that that won't accept wre perce— hotheads that that won't accept the peace process— hotheads that that won't accept the peace process . and those are the peace process. and those are the peace process. and those are we gree— the peace process. and those are we w-wee— the peace process. and those are the ones we've been reading riggi— the ones we've been reading about-hearing- the ones we've been reading about hearing about in the about and hearing about in the ieei— about and hearing about in the ieei couple— about and hearing about in the ieei eewgie ei— about and hearing about in the last couple of days. and i do ieiieve— last couple of days. and i do believe that— last couple of days. and i do believe that even— last couple of days. and i do believe that even gerry adams, wire— believe that even gerry adams, wre we— believe that even gerry adams, wre ire — believe that even gerry adams, who was the godfather of terror for all— who was the godfather of terror rer rii ireee— who was the godfather of terror for all those years,— who was the godfather of terror for all those years, has has eerierrrei— for all those years, has has condemned all— for all those years, has has condemned all this in the last few— condemned all this in the last few irwe— condemned all this in the last few irwe se— condemned all this in the last few irwe. so i— condemned all this in the last few days. so i think we've got to few days. so i think we've got re keep— few days. so i think we've got re keep irie— few days. so i think we've got to keep this in— few days. so i think we've got to keep this in perspective. yes of to keep this in perspective. yes or i— to keep this in perspective. yes of course, i agree.— to keep this in perspective. yes of course, i agree. we don't warr— of course, i agree. we don't wrri ie— of course, i agree. we don't want to upset— of course, i agree. we don't want to upset the peace process, but

want to upset the peace process, iwi ire— want to upset the peace process, iwi ire eeri— want to upset the peace process, but the good friday agreement is ieirg— but the good friday agreement is being undermined— but the good friday agreement is being undermined and dare i say it being undermined and dare i say i by— being undermined and dare i say i iw ire— being undermined and dare i say it by the northern— being undermined and dare i say it by the northern ireland preieeei— it by the northern ireland protocol and— it by the northern ireland protocol and the refusal to reeepi— protocol and the refusal to reeepi irri— protocol and the refusal to accept that the _ protocol and the refusal to accept that the unionists in werirerr— accept that the unionists in northern ireland very largely eppeee— northern ireland very largely eppeee rewirg— northern ireland very largely oppose having a border for trade rewr— oppose having a border for trade iewr ire— oppose having a border for trade down the middle— oppose having a border for trade down the middle of the irish sea , pri— down the middle of the irish sea , rri irri-e— down the middle of the irish sea , rri irri-e e— down the middle of the irish sea , and that's a completely unnecessary dispute that we're rewirg.— unnecessary dispute that we're rewirg. irere-e— unnecessary dispute that we're having. there's no— unnecessary dispute that we're having. there's no need for that at having. there's no need for that ri gr.— having. there's no need for that ii iii. se— having. there's no need for that ii iii. so iri— having. there's no need for that at all. so but but— having. there's no need for that at all. so but but i— having. there's no need for that at all. so but but i don't ieiieve— at all. so but but i don't believe that— at all. so but but i don't believe that whatever happens rippi— believe that whatever happens about northern— believe that whatever happens about northern ireland protocol irri— about northern ireland protocol we were— about northern ireland protocol irri geirg— about northern ireland protocol that we're going to go back to the that we're going to go back to ire wri— that we're going to go back to ire kiri ei— that we're going to go back to the kind of terrorist situation irri— the kind of terrorist situation we we— the kind of terrorist situation we we rei— the kind of terrorist situation that we had 30— the kind of terrorist situation that we had 30 years ago. okay. iei-e— that we had 30 years ago. okay. iei-e rrirg— that we had 30 years ago. okay. let's bring benjamin— that we had 30 years ago. okay. let's bring benjamin in- that we had 30 years ago. okay. let's bring benjamin in on- that we had 30 years ago. okay. let's bring benjamin in on this. i mean, yeah, there is a difference between fighting and fighting about how should difference between fighting and fig used about how should difference between fighting and fig used abgovernment. should difference between fighting and fig used abgovernment. but|ould difference between fighting and fig used abgovernment. but tony be used in government. but tony blair saying should blair is simply saying we should be vigilant. yeah, i do think ere-ire— be vigilant. yeah, i do think prelire pig— be vigilant. yeah, i do think one-the big factors- , igf’x yeah, i do think one the big factors is one of the big factors is demographic. - one of the big factors is demographic. the demographic. if you look at the peepie— demographic. if you look at the peepie-rre— demographic. if you look at the people-are born- demographic. if you look at the people are born every year, people who are born every year, a people who are born every year, e-crireiie— people who are born every year, a-catholic, you- people who are born every year, a catholic, you know, non a lot of catholic, you know, non peepie— a lot of catholic, you know, non peepie-preier— a lot of catholic, you know, non people - prefer the, - a lot of catholic, you know, non people prefer the, you know people who prefer the, you know ,_wpg._ people who prefer the, you know ,_wpg. ire— people who prefer the, you know ,-with the republic. , side more with the republic rrirer— , side more with the republic rrirer-wiir— , side more with the republic rather-with-uk,- , side more with the republic rather-with-uk, i. , side more with the republic rather with uk, i do rather than with the uk, i do irirk— rather than with the uk, i do irirk-geirg— rather than with the uk, i do think-going to- rather than with the uk, i do think going to be think that's going to be a preiierr — think that's going to be a problem that— think that's going to be a problem that will play over problem that will play out over the problem that will play out over ire—re— problem that will play out over ire—eeweii. i the next 30 years as well. irewgr— the next 30 years as well. though demographically there's the next 30 years as well. thou an demographically there's the next 30 years as well. thou an demograin ically there's the next 30 years as well. thou an demograin the .y there's the next 30 years as well. thouan demograin the groupa's also an increase in the group who relate to neither. indeed. yes absolutely. people who don't

rere—irere— yes absolutely. people who don't care _that's also - yes absolutely. people who don't care _that's also a - care either way. that's also a freer.— care either way. that's also a freer-irri— care either way. that's also a factor. .that would - factor. and that would potentially _ factor. and that would pe-irririiw— factor. and that would pothatally might not see so that you might not see a rewiwri— so that you might not see a rewiwri er— so that you might not see a revival of terrorism or, you prew— revival of terrorism or, you know, aggressions that kind. know, aggressions of that kind. but know, aggressions of that kind. eei-eee— know, aggressions of that kind. eei-eee e- know, aggressions of that kind. but-see more, i- know, aggressions of that kind. but see more, i think, but you will see more, i think, in-democratic- but you will see more, i think, in democratic activism, in terms of democratic activism, peepie— in terms of democratic activism, people-something- in terms of democratic activism, people something along people saying something along the people saying something along ire iiree— people saying something along ire iiree er— people saying something along the lines of we— people saying something along the lines of we don't want to be part— the lines of we don't want to be prri ei— the lines of we don't want to be prri er ire— the lines of we don't want to be prri er ire ur— the lines of we don't want to be part of the uk anymore. so irere— part of the uk anymore. so that's something to watch out for. that's something to watch out rer-lirere— that's something to watch out rer-lirere-w- that's something to watch out for.ithere-to the- that's something to watch outi for.ithere-to the front for. there you go to the front page of this is both the mirror and express talking about and the express talking about the crowning glory and the express talking about theour crowning glory and the express talking about theour heroes'ning glory and the express talking about theour heroes . ing glory and the express talking about theour heroes . it's glory for our real heroes. it's hopefully feel good story . hopefully a feel good story. nina well, i think it is, and prriiewirriw— nina well, i think it is, and particularly notice here particularly i notice here in ire— particularly i notice here in ire-irew-we- particularly i notice here in the they've they've the mirror they've they've picker—ire- the mirror they've they'vei picked _the 850 picked out one of the 850 rere— picked out one of the 850 heroes, and— picked out one of the 850 heroes, and that's little max weeiew. — heroes, and that's little max mosley. mosley_ heroes, and that's little max mosley. mosley not mosley. so eerrw— mosley. mosley not mosley. so eerw. irri— mosley. mosley not mosley. so eerw. we we— mosley. mosley not mosley. so sorry. that was a— mosley. mosley not mosley. so sorry. that was a freudian slip. ari— sorry. that was a freudian slip. ari wee— sorry. that was a freudian slip. and max mosley— sorry. that was a freudian slip. and max mosley ,— sorry. that was a freudian slip. and max mosley , the 13 year old and max mosley, the 13 year old wre— and max mosley, the 13 year old wre eerrpei— and max mosley, the 13 year old who camped out— and max mosley, the 13 year old who camped out in— and max mosley, the 13 year old who camped out in his garden for the who camped out in his garden for ire ieei— who camped out in his garden for the last three _ who camped out in his garden for the last three years— who camped out in his garden for the last three years and is reieei— the last three years and is reieei er— the last three years and is raised an awful- the last three years and is raised an awful lot of money for crepe.— raised an awful lot of money for ereriw. i— raised an awful lot of money for ereriiw. i rreer— raised an awful lot of money for charity. i mean, i— raised an awful lot of money for charity. i mean, i think he just ireiie— charity. i mean, i think he just came inside in— charity. i mean, i think he just came inside in the last the last week— came inside in the last the last week er— came inside in the last the last week or so. and— came inside in the last the last week or so. and been brilliant forlkid— week or so. and been brilliant forlkid ie— week or so. and been brilliant forlkid re re— week or so. and been brilliant forlkid to do that.- week or so. and been brilliant for kid to do that. i think for a kid to do that. i think irere— for a kid to do that. i think that's absolutely wonderful . and that's absolutely wonderful. and it's wonderful— that's absolutely wonderful. and it's wonderful that therefore irer— it's wonderful that therefore ire-wee— it's wonderful that therefore that-you know,-

it's wonderful that therefore that you know, that that that is, you know, that re-e— that that is, you know, that re-e ieirg— that that is, you know, that he's being included all he's being included in all of irie— he's being included in all of we reirer— he's being included in all of this rather than,— he's being included in all of this rather than, know, some this rather than, you know, some old this rather than, you know, some eie-ieiier— this rather than, you know, some old-tufton earl,- this rather than, you know, some old-tufton earl, you- old bufton tufton earl, you prew— old bufton tufton earl, you krew wre— old bufton tufton earl, you know, who would be desperate to get know, who would be desperate to gei—eri — get into breeches and silk eieekirge— get into breeches and silk stockings, not— get into breeches and silk stockings, not necessarily his , wee— stockings, not necessarily his , you prew— stockings, not necessarily his own , you know, let's let's let's own, you know, let's let's let's iei-e— own, you know, let's let's let's let's celebrate— own, you know, let's let's let's let's celebrate the— own, you know, let's let's let's let's celebrate the max's of trie— let's celebrate the max's of we were. — let's celebrate the max's of this world. yeah.- let's celebrate the max's of this world. yeah. mi: c g this world. yeah. neil is it moving in the right direction? is this good regal pr ? well, i is this good regal pr? well, i think so. it's certainly- is this good regal pr? well, i think so. it's certainly a- g: g ?7 well, i think so. it's certainly a good eierw— think so. it's certainly a good eierw ,— think so. it's certainly a good eiew , ee— think so. it's certainly a good news story , as you say. i mean, news story, as you say. i mean, i news story, as you say. i mean, i repe— news story, as you say. i mean, i repe irer— news story, as you say. i mean, i repe irei ire— news story, as you say. i mean, i hope that the coronation is going— i hope that the coronation is geirg ie— i hope that the coronation is geirg re re— i hope that the coronation is geirg re be e— i hope that the coronation is going to be a grand affair and ieii— going to be a grand affair and rwii er— going to be a grand affair and rwii er ire— going to be a grand affair and full of the pageantry that we eeeieei— full of the pageantry that we associate with _ full of the pageantry that we associate with the coronations. we— associate with the coronations. ii-e e— associate with the coronations. ii-e e piw— associate with the coronations. ii-e e piw ii-e— associate with the coronations. it's a pity it's going to be so erreii— it's a pity it's going to be so small compared— it's a pity it's going to be so small compared with previous erereiiere— small compared with previous erereiiere .— small compared with previous erereiiere. i— small compared with previous coronations. i mean, i can just eiewi— coronations. i mean, i can just about remember— coronations. i mean, i can just about remember the last coronation,— about remember the last coronation, although i was only few.— coronation, although i was only few. were— coronation, although i was only few. aiee ei— coronation, although i was only four. also at the— coronation, although i was only four. also at the time. it's the ire— four. also at the time. it's the iirei pwiiie— four. also at the time. it's the first public event— four. also at the time. it's the first public event that i can receip— first public event that i can recall, even— first public event that i can recall, even though it was all in recall, even though it was all ir week— recall, even though it was all in black and— recall, even though it was all in black and white on our television,— in black and white on our television, which we'd bought epeeieiiw— television, which we'd bought epeeieiiw rer— television, which we'd bought specially for the— television, which we'd bought specially for the occasion in ireee— specially for the occasion in ireeelerr— specially for the occasion in those-off days- specially for the occasion in those-off days .- specially for the occasion in those off days . but looking those far off days. but looking peek— those far off days. but looking peek ei— those far off days. but looking peek e i— those far off days. but looking back at it all— those far off days. but looking back at it all now,— those far off days. but looking back at it all now, the grandeur of ire— back at it all now, the grandeur of ire ei— back at it all now, the grandeur of ire of ire— back at it all now, the grandeur of the of the event, but also ire— of the of the event, but also the seriousness— of the of the event, but also the seriousness of the ceremony

ere— the seriousness of the ceremony ere wret— the seriousness of the ceremony ere wrei ii-e— the seriousness of the ceremony and what it's all— the seriousness of the ceremony and what it's all about and how it and what it's all about and how i eerreeei— and what it's all about and how it connects us— and what it's all about and how it connects us with— and what it's all about and how it connects us with our remote ereeeeri er— it connects us with our remote ancestors of long— it connects us with our remote ancestors of long ago because trie— ancestors of long ago because we ie— ancestors of long ago because this is something— ancestors of long ago because this is something which has come rewr— this is something which has come iewr frerr — this is something which has come iewr frerr e— this is something which has come down from a thousand years ago ere— down from a thousand years ago ere ire— down from a thousand years ago ere ii-e e— down from a thousand years ago ere ii-e e wery,— down from a thousand years ago and it's a very, very— down from a thousand years ago and it's a very, very , i think, and it's a very, very, i think, and it's a very, very, i think, a numinous occasion which which has a numinous occasion which which ree e— a numinous occasion which which ree e epiriiwei— a numinous occasion which which has a spiritual significance far rewri— has a spiritual significance far peweri ire— has a spiritual significance far beyond the pageantry. and i hope irere— beyond the pageantry. and i hope irei-e ire— beyond the pageantry. and i hope that's the message— beyond the pageantry. and i hope that's the message which we're going— that's the message which we're geirg ie— that's the message which we're geirg re grew— that's the message which we're going to draw from it. �*" rap?“ going to draw from it. if we can irweeiigeie— going to draw from it. if we can investigate the age demographic issue here, then a little , issue here, then a little, because i'm guessing you weren't born the last time there was a coronation. not quite, no. i missed it by about 65 years or eerreirirg. — missed it by about 65 years or something. .but_ missed it by about 65 years or something. .but no- missed it by about 65 years or something. but no , i think something. no but no, i think ir— something. no but no, i think if irie— something. no but no, i think even if this is— something. no but no, i think even if this is a— something. no but no, i think even if this is a pr stunt, it's a even if this is a pr stunt, it's e wery— even if this is a pr stunt, it's every goer— even if this is a pr stunt, it's e wery geee re— even if this is a pr stunt, it's a very good one. you know, it's rei— a very good one. you know, it's rer e— a very good one. you know, it's rer e rei— a very good one. you know, it's not a bad thing— a very good one. you know, it's not a bad thing to— a very good one. you know, it's not a bad thing to do to irireiwee— not a bad thing to do to introduce people who are not reeeeeeriiw— introduce people who are not necessarily nobility or not reeeeeeriiw— necessarily nobility or not necessarily bishops or mps , but necessarily bishops or mps, but ieei— necessarily bishops or mps, but we peepie— necessarily bishops or mps, but we peepie wre— necessarily bishops or mps, but just people who actually work very— just people who actually work very rere— just people who actually work wew rere ere— just people who actually work very hard and get very little reeegriiier— very hard and get very little recognition. it's— very hard and get very little recognition. it's very good. aiirewgr— recognition. it's very good. aiirewgr irr— recognition. it's very good. although i'm wondering if my irwiieiier— although i'm wondering if my invitation got— although i'm wondering if my invitation got lost in the post ieeewee— invitation got lost in the post because-nothing - invitation got lost in the post because nothing says real because i feel nothing says real rere— because i feel nothing says real rere i— because i feel nothing says real heroes. i thought— because i feel nothing says real heroes. i thought was one, heroes. i thought i was one, eppereriiw— heroes. i thought i was one, apparently-like- heroes. i thought i was one, apparently like me on the on apparently not like me on the on the apparently not like me on the on ire-ieeewee— apparently not like me on the on the-because-can-

apparently not like me on the on the because can blame apparently not like me on the on the a because can blame apparently not like me on the on the a beonrse can blame apparently not like me on the on the a beon the can blame apparently not like me on the on the a beon the post. blame apparently not like me on the on the a beon the post. �*vw�*izgcle quite a lot on the post. well weer— quite a lot on the post. well yeah were-e— quite a lot on the post. well yeah there's always strikes. there's always strikes. and even though— there's always strikes. and even though this is probably not the story, anyone me to story, anyone wanted me to double going to the story, anyone wanted me to douprage going to the story, anyone wanted me to douprage of going to the story, anyone wanted me to douprage of the going to the story, anyone wanted me to douprage of the telegraph.) the front page of the telegraph. heavier lorries plan means more potholes. know potholes. just because i know i ranted about smart ranted earlier on about smart motorways lorries . motorways with heavier lorries. potholes are already the thing that anyone who has that just annoys anyone who has to get in car. if you get on a to get in a car. if you get on a bike, they're a death trap. what do we what do we do? we're driving in london— do we what do we do? we're driving in london on- i::::i i::::i i::::i7 we're driving in london on what eieeiwieiw— driving in london on what absolutely fields, absolutely ploughed fields, you prew— know, the cars going like this, were— know, the cars going like this, were-gei— know, the cars going like this, you're get punctures. you're going to get punctures. it's you're going to get punctures. ii-e—rreerl it's just ridiculous. i mean, i ewiieriw— it's just ridiculous. i mean, i suddenly colin's— it's just ridiculous. i mean, i suddenly colin's trying to make the suddenly colin's trying to make ire ireirie— suddenly colin's trying to make the traffic in— suddenly colin's trying to make the traffic in london go so slow irer— the traffic in london go so slow irei wee— the traffic in london go so slow me you eerie— the traffic in london go so slow that you could walk faster. probably. probably. - that you could walk faster. probably. but. but probably. probably. but. but pup,— probably. probably. but. but iwi, iei— probably. probably. but. but iwi, iei ire— probably. probably. but. but but, but the thing- probably. but. but but, but the thing is bad if but, but the thing is as bad if you— but, but the thing is as bad if wee-ire— but, but the thing is as bad if you-the pothole.- but, but the thing is as bad if you the pothole. well, you fall into the pothole. well, exeeiiw. —irei- exactly. the thing is that eeiweiiw— exactly. the thing is that actually electric cars are doing far actually electric cars are doing rer-ierrege— actually electric cars are doing rer-eerege ie— actually electric cars are doing far-damage to our- actually electric cars are doing far damage to our roads as far more damage to our roads as it far more damage to our roads as i ie. — far more damage to our roads as i ie. we— far more damage to our roads as i ie. we rer-i— far more damage to our roads as it is. we don't need— far more damage to our roads as it is. we don't need the lorries rrekirg—eerel it is. we don't need the lorries. making—cars are making because electric cars are far making because electric cars are rer—ei- making because electric cars are rer—er ire- far heavier because of the ieiieriee. — far heavier because of the batteries. so _ far heavier because of the batteries. so they are and they eiee— batteries. so they are and they also coincidental— batteries. so they are and they also coincidental ,— batteries. so they are and they also coincidental , throwing up also coincidental, throwing up more pollutants— also coincidental, throwing up more pollutants which are making irirge— more pollutants which are making irirge weree— more pollutants which are making things worse from _ more pollutants which are making things worse from the road surface. exactly— things worse from the road surface. exactly than normal old

gas surface. exactly than normal old gee ngziirg— surface. exactly than normal old gas guzzling cars. _ surface. exactly than normal old gas guzzling cars. but the eeiwiier— gas guzzling cars. but the solution must— gas guzzling cars. but the solution must be fix the roads reirer— solution must be fix the roads reirer irer— solution must be fix the roads rather than fix— solution must be fix the roads rather than fix the roads and peer— rather than fix the roads and peirei. iir— rather than fix the roads and petrol. fix fix— rather than fix the roads and petrol. fix fix the roads . i petrol. fix fix the roads. i ieei— petrol. fix fix the roads. i mean. but on— petrol. fix fix the roads. i mean. but on the other hand, wir— mean. but on the other hand, wiir wir— mean. but on the other hand, with with with— mean. but on the other hand, with with with with again, our irepiiiw— with with with with again, our ireiiiiw re— with with with with again, our inability to move _ with with with with again, our inability to move with the times and inability to move with the times ere ie— inability to move with the times and do something— inability to move with the times and do something practical. all rreee— and do something practical. all ireee peepie— and do something practical. all these people have electric cars. irere— these people have electric cars. irere re— these people have electric cars. irere rei— these people have electric cars. there are not enough charging ereriere.— there are not enough charging stations. this— there are not enough charging stations. this-it's- there are not enough charging stations. this it's just why stations. this is it's just why eer-r— stations. this is it's just why eer-i we— stations. this is it's just why eer-i we irer— stations. this is it's just why can't we just take hold of a prep-eer— can't we just take hold of a prep-eei ere— can't we just take hold of a prep-eei ere ge— can't we just take hold of a project and go with it? it is rrekirg— project and go with it? it is rrewirg tre— project and go with it? it is making the list— project and go with it? it is making the list of things that we eer-r— making the list of things that we eer-i ie. — making the list of things that we can't do. it's— making the list of things that we can't do. g it. we can't do. it's pathetic. we— we can't do. it's pathetic. ir-e perrerie. — we can't do. it's pathetic. it's pathetic. in— we can't do. g it. it's pathetic. in china, they've gere— it's pathetic. in china, they've gere rewr— it's pathetic. in china, they've gere iewr e— it's pathetic. in china, they've gone down a slightly different repre— gone down a slightly different rewre .— gone down a slightly different route . instead— gone down a slightly different route . instead of— gone down a slightly different route . instead of charging the route. instead of charging the carr— route. instead of charging the wee— route. instead of charging the you ge— route. instead of charging the you ge ere— route. instead of charging the car, you go and swap the battery for car, you go and swap the battery rer—reu— car, you go and swap the battery rer—few ere- car, you go and swap the battery for—full and this,- for one which is full and this, of for one which is full and this, er ie— for one which is full and this, of course is much— for one which is full and this, of course is much easier to errrge— of course is much easier to errerreg g...— of course is much easier to arrange than to— of course is much easier to arrange than to have the rriiiiere— arrange than to have the millions of— arrange than to have the millions of charging points that you require.— millions of charging points that you require. ir— millions of charging points that you require. if we're going to go you require. if we're going to ge rewr— you require. if we're going to ge eewr rrer— you require. if we're going to go down that route, which is yet egeir— go down that route, which is yet .g..., i— go down that route, which is yet gggn, i rrirk— go down that route, which is yet again, i think we're the government— again, i think we're the government is putting all its eggs— government is putting all its egge ir— government is putting all its egge ir ere— government is putting all its eggs in one basket and it's going— eggs in one basket and it's geirg ie— eggs in one basket and it's geirg re ere— eggs in one basket and it's geirg re ere ep— eggs in one basket and it's going to end up with those eggs rirrriw— going to end up with those eggs rirrriw er— going to end up with those eggs rirrriw er ire— going to end up with those eggs firmly on its face— going to end up with those eggs firmly on its face in due course ieeewee— firmly on its face in due course because we're not— firmly on its face in due course because we're not actually rere— because we're not actually rere tre— because we're not actually create the infrastructure for eieeirie— create the infrastructure for eieerrie ere— create the infrastructure for electric cars that are required. ari— electric cars that are required. ari wer— electric cars that are required. and yet supposedly we're going

to and yet supposedly we're going re preee— and yet supposedly we're going re preee eer— and yet supposedly we're going to phase out petrol and diesel wirrir— to phase out petrol and diesel cars within seven _ to phase out petrol and diesel cars within seven years. yeah we-ii— cars within seven years. yeah we-ii eee— cars within seven years. yeah we-ii ir— cars within seven years. yeah we'll see if that— cars within seven years. yeah we'll see if that happens then. ree— we'll see if that happens then. eee reper— we'll see if that happens then. but better move— we'll see if that happens then. but better move on. _ we'll see if that happens then. but better move on. more- we'll see if that happens then. but better move on. more from the papers next. and another classic has been edited to classic film has been edited to accommodate our modern sensitivity as we'll see you .

in two. welcome back to mark dolan tonight. i'm stephen allen. let's get into some more of your emails. dawn on the subject of my take at ten, said steve, that was the best argument i've heard against ulez zones. it proves it's all about money making nothing to do with cutting carbon. excellent. thank you, dawn. bridget on that take dawn. and bridget on that take at says, lost many at ten says, we've lost many engineers companies that employed them closed. i've known several engineers that got made redundant, late redundant, including my late partner, design engineer. he partner, a design engineer. he always we wouldn't have to always said we wouldn't have to teach future generations engineers used to serve apprenticeships. we need those back a big way. george on the back in a big way. george on the subject donald trump, says ,

subject of donald trump, says, what that we what does john mean that we haven't in haven't heard from trump in ages? a press ages? he literally did a press conference immediately after that. still probably not quite as normally does. as much as he normally does. john far, my john on papers so far, my solution to the housing crisis, says john, is reconstruct hundreds of empty shops into housing and jim says dreadful globalist blair just stirring the pot. he spouting dangerous words and i'm reminded of that was when tony blair said this moment is not about soundbites, but i feel the hand of history on my shoulder. i believe that was that beautiful moment. let's get back into the front pages. let's look at this on the front page of the guardian post. analysed cancer jabs may be ready in five years. this groundbreaking personalised vaccines for diseases such as skin cancer could be ready in as little as five years, to according top pharmaceutical company. potentially saving millions of lives. benjamin, i'll turn to you on this one. i mean, i'm no scientist enough to understand this. if what they're saying is true, this is amazing. yeah, it's incredible what a

leap forward. however, i have leap forward. however, i do have to leap forward. however, i do have re-rre— leap forward. however, i do have re-rre repie— leap forward. however, i do have re-rre repie ei— leap forward. however, i do have to-the topic of cancer,- to say, on the topic of cancer, we—rew- to say, on the topic of cancer, we—iew weerel we spent the past few years igrerirg— we spent the past few years ignoring cancer— we spent the past few years ignoring cancer screenings and perrirg— ignoring cancer screenings and perrirg-er— ignoring cancer screenings and pwiiirg-er tre- ignoring cancer screenings and putting on the back putting people on the back errer— putting people on the back burner, so it— putting people on the back burner, so it may be for some peepie— burner, so it may be for some peepie ree— burner, so it may be for some people too little— burner, so it may be for some people too little too late ieeewee— people too little too late- because—something because we prioritise something eiee— because we prioritise something eiee rreee— because we prioritise something else over these people for a ierg— else over these people for a ierg irre— else over these people for a ierg rirre . — else over these people for a long time . yeah,- else over these people for a long time . / else over these people for a long time . “43?" " else over these people for a long time . / g long time. yeah, i mean, it should have been possible to do both. have be an both. this doesn't have to be an either or. didn't. it didn't have lockdown and have to be no lockdown and cancer or lockdown and no cancer. absolutely. and need cancer. absolutely. and we need you cancer. absolutely. and we need wee—ie— cancer. absolutely. and we need wee—ie g..— cancer. absolutely. and we need you—is the problem. you know, this is the problem wrer— you know, this is the problemi wrer—rrwepie when you get sort of a myopic eeeeeieier— when you get sort of a myopic obsession with— when you get sort of a myopic obsession with a— when you get sort of a myopic obsession with a particular teeter— obsession with a particular. teeter—ieewe factor or a threat or an issue is factor or a threat or an issue ie-igrere— factor or a threat or an issue ie-igrere eii— factor or a threat or an issue is-ignore all the- factor or a threat or an issue is ignore all the other is you ignore all the other rrreere— is you ignore all the other threats, all— is you ignore all the other threats, all the- is you ignore all the other threats, all the other problems is you ignore all the other tiand s, all the other problems is you ignore all the other tiand s, all you other problems is you ignore all the other tiand s, all you other fas)lems is you ignore all the other tiand s, all you other fas we've . and then, you know, as we've eeere-er wee- . and then, you know, as we've seen out, you know, the seen it play out, you know, the eiee— seen it play out, you know, the eiie erieeie— seen it play out, you know, the side effects lockdown have side effects of lockdown have peer— side effects of lockdown have been worse than— side effects of lockdown have been worse than potentially not geirg— been worse than potentially not ieirg- — been worse than potentially not ieirg- -iieegree| doing it at all. oh, i disagree with there. i mean, you have with you there. i mean, you have i how many more people did with you there. i mean, you have i want|ow many more people did with you there. i mean, you have i want|owdie?1y more people did with you there. i mean, you have i want|owdie?1y more havee did you want to die? and we have death rate over 200,000 death rate of over 200,000 people died lockdown than people died from lockdown than would have done. well, that's you would have done. well, that's wee reve— would have done. well, that's you rewe tre— would have done. well, that's you have the argument- : : well, that's you have the argument of either or you have the argument of either er . ari— you have the argument of either er . ari ie— you have the argument of either or. and it didn't— you have the argument of either or. and it didn't have- you have the argument of either or. ' c c or. and it didn't have to be either or. that's the thing. whenever this absolutely certainly not case sweden certainly not the case in sweden where there was adopted a completely different approach from had in this from the one that we had in this country. this is

country. i mean, this is a iieeweeier— country. i mean, this is a discussion of— country. i mean, this is a discussion of the- itriti. i mean, this is a discussion of the scandinavian eewrrriee — discussion of the scandinavian countries. .had- discussion of the scandinavian countries. .had a- discussion of the scandinavian countries. " qt” countries. they had a higher death . i'm going to countries. they had a higher. death-. i'm going to press death rate. i'm going to press pewee— death rate. i'm going to press peweelrrer.— : i'm going to press pause that. otherwise pause on that. otherwise yeah, errerwiee— pause on that. otherwise yeah,- errerwiee—rrerr otherwise we will move away from this otherwise we will move away from irie—pererrieiiw- this story, which is potentially iiriirg— this story, which is potentially firiirg e— this story, which is potentially fireirg e wew— this story, which is potentially finding a way. it— this story, which is potentially finding a way. it was my sorry. peg.— finding a way. it was my sorry. peg. ieek— finding a way. it was my sorry. yeah, look what— finding a way. it was my sorry. yeah, look what you've done. but eerweiiw— yeah, look what you've done. but eerweiiw irr— yeah, look what you've done. but actually i'm going— yeah, look what you've done. but actually i'm going to ruin it ere— actually i'm going to ruin it ere ge— actually i'm going to ruin it ere ge-re— actually i'm going to ruin it ere ge-re g.- actually i'm going to ruin it and go to it. this to do and go back to it. this is to do wir— and go back to it. this is to do with .vaccine. _ and go back to it. this is to do with .vaccine. do- and go back to it. this is to do with vaccine. do think with the vaccine. do you think were— with the vaccine. do you think rrere-rrwer— with the vaccine. do you think there much vaccine trust there is as much vaccine trust if there is as much vaccine trust ii-eeierriere— there is as much vaccine trust if scientists created there is as much vaccine trust if fa entists created there is as much vaccine trust if fa shorts created there is as much vaccine trust if fa short time? created there is as much vaccine trust if fa short time? i:reated there is as much vaccine trust if fa short time? i remember in such a short time? i remember we— in such a short time? i remember wet—tre— in such a short time? i remember rrer—ire rrepee- in such a short time? i remember that—the tropes that. that was one of the tropes that weri— that was one of the tropes that weri erewri— that was one of the tropes that went around how— that was one of the tropes that went around how speedily it was iere. — went around how speedily it was iere. .peepie— went around how speedily it was iere. .peepie-e- done. will people trust ai vaccine-cancer? done. will people trust a. vaccine-cancer? done. will people trust a- vaccine-cancer? the vaccine that cures cancer? the wing — vaccine that cures cancer? the rrirg—eereer- vaccine that cures cancer? the thing—canceilal thing with cancer, cancer is a terrible, curse. on on, terrible, terrible curse. on on, on, on, on all of our lives. as you know, very lucky that you know, i'm very lucky that nobody in my family has had it. and i thank for that . i and i thank god for that. i think if you have cancer and there is a potential you will take mostly anything that was going to help you, because what what is your choice? what is your choice? it's a vaccine, though. so you don't have cancer at though. so you don't have cancer e g...— though. so you don't have cancer er ire eiege— though. so you don't have cancer at the stage when _ though. so you don't have cancer at the stage when you— 3 so you don't have cancer at the stage when you have to rere — at the stage when you have to rere pp — at the stage when you have to rere pp we. — at the stage when you have to take it? no. well— at the stage when you have to take it? \:::i viii“ at the stage when you have to take it? \.;. write at the stage when you have to take it? \.;. take it? no. well you know, this this is this is the thing. people if you have if it's a genetic thing, if your if you're predisposed , your family is predisposed, your family is predisposed, your family is

predisposed have the cancer, predisposed to have the cancer, whatever it is that that makes them have cancer, like breast cancen them have cancer, like breast cancer, there's a particular gene, then , you know, i would gene, then, you know, i would think a majority of people there are going to be people who will not be vaccinated for anything. but the majority of people. you say that, but there are you say that, but there are people wre— say that, but there are people wre reve— say that, but there are people who have cancer,— say that, but there are people who have cancer, quite serious cancer, who won't get chemotherapy to chemotherapy because it's to iierwpiiwe. — chemotherapy because it's to disruptive. enough life. disruptive. fair enough life. are— disruptive. fair enough life. ari-mere- disruptive. fair enough life. and more likely to say, and they're more likely to say, i'll and they're more likely to say, iii-tre— and they're more likely to say, iii-ire ieei— and they're more likely to say, i'll the last months of my i'll spend the last months of my life i'll spend the last months of my iiie—ierg— i'll spend the last months of my iire—ierg ii- i'll spend the last months of my iire—ierg g ie- life or however long it is, rrekirg— life or however long it is,- rrekirg—peepie life or however long it is, making—people so making amends with people and so on making amends with people and so er-rerir.— making amends with people and so er-rerir. rer— making amends with people and so on-forth. but i've— making amends with people and so on forth. but i've never on and so forth. but i've never rei— on and so forth. but i've never rei re— on and so forth. but i've never had to_decision,- on and so forth. but i've neveri had to_decision, and had to make that decision, and ive— had to make that decision, and ive eerweiiw— had to make that decision, and i've actually thought, well, perrepe— i've actually thought, well, perrepe-wrer- i've actually thought, well, perhaps-what i- i've actually thought, well, perhaps what i would perhaps that's what i would ereeee— perhaps that's what i would ereeee — perhaps that's what i would choose. that's— perhaps that's what i would choose. that's perhaps what i would you know, would choose because, you know, chemotherapy is a terribly severe i know somebody who had a stroke through , you know, stroke through, you know, because of the chemotherapy and therefore, her last months were not what they could have been. so but but, you know, people will it's just such an awful disease that people will do what they can. but i think the difference between what we're

reading about in in the guardian and the covid vaccine is that and the covid vaccine is that and the covid vaccine is that and the controversy over the covid vaccine was because it hadnt covid vaccine was because it hadn't gone through all the normal procedures and hadn't gone through all the nor|government)rocedures and hadn't gone through all the nor|governmenttook1ures and hadn't gone through all the nor|government took thes and hadn't gone through all the nor|government took the view the government took the view that it's worth rolling it out and taking the risk because the danger not doing so is danger of not doing so is greater than the danger of doing it. i don't know whether that prewei— it. i don't know whether that prewei re— it. i don't know whether that prewei re re— it. i don't know whether that proved to be a— g i don't know whether that proved to be a sensible decision or proved to be a sensible decision er rer.— proved to be a sensible decision er rer. irr— proved to be a sensible decision or not. i'm personally sceptical , per— or not. i'm personally sceptical , per i— or not. i'm personally sceptical , per i irirk— or not. i'm personally sceptical , but i think that's— or not. i'm personally sceptical , but i think that's what will be different— , but i think that's what will be different about this, is that preewrreiiw— be different about this, is that presumably this— be different about this, is that presumably this vaccine will go rrrewgr— presumably this vaccine will go through _testing- through the normal testing preeeiwree— through the normal testing procedures-is- procedures before it is unleashed— procedures before it is unleashed upon the public space of unleashed upon the public space er iive— unleashed upon the public space erriwe weere — unleashed upon the public space of five years. yeah,— unleashed upon the public space of five years. / unleashed upon the public space of five years. “43?" of five years. yeah, well, look, a little bit of a lighter note. we front page of the we can do the front page of the daily star says suns out buns out plans for easter in this glorious yes. going out plans for easter in this glorioto yes. going out plans for easter in this glorioto surrey yes. going out plans for easter in this glorioto surrey for'es. going out plans for easter in this glorioto surrey for the going out plans for easter in this glorioto surrey for the weekend down to surrey for the weekend to down to surrey for the weekend re eiew— down to surrey for the weekend re erew wir— down to surrey for the weekend to stay with old _ down to surrey for the weekend to stay with old chums who we rewer-r— to stay with old chums who we rever-r eeer— to stay with old chums who we haven't seen for— to stay with old chums who we haven't seen for a— to stay with old chums who we haven't seen for a while. so rrer-ii— haven't seen for a while. so that'll-lots- haven't seen for a while. so that'll-lots to- haven't seen for a while. so that'll-lots to do. haven't seen for a while. sol that'll-lots to do in that'll be fun. lots to do in the garden after all the wet that the last that we've had for the last month and everything now month and everything is now burgeoning forth weeds in particular. so that's what i particular. so so that's what i shall be doing over the weekend. i'll be here. and you sound less

happy— i'll be here. and you sound less reppw epewr— i'll be here. and you sound less reppw epewr irer— i'll be here. and you sound less happy about that than- cc “iii; and you sound less happy about that than previous to answers. yeah— happy about that than previous to answers. yeah we'll quickly do to answers. yeah we'll quickly ie irie— to answers. yeah we'll quickly ie we ere— to answers. yeah we'll quickly do this one then. _ to answers. yeah we'll quickly do this one then. the little rrerrreiie— do this one then. the little mermaids, the— do this one then. the little mermaids, the latest victim of rewriree— mermaids, the latest victim of rewriree ir— mermaids, the latest victim of rewrites in 2023.— mermaids, the latest victim of rewrites in 2023. this adaptation - rewrites in 2023. this adaptation faces new lyrics to ireiwie— adaptation faces new lyrics to include consent.— adaptation faces new lyrics to include consent. naturally it's eeweei— include consent. naturally it's eeweei e— include consent. naturally it's eeweei e iii— include consent. naturally it's caused a bit of— include consent. naturally it's caused a bit of a— include consent. naturally it's caused a bit of a splash. it is necessary or something. smell fierw— necessary or something. smell rierw eiewr— necessary or something. smell fishy about this— necessary or something. smell fishy about this to you, pert-emir— fishy about this to you, benjamin, quickly, do you reckon we erewii— benjamin, quickly, do you reckon we erewii ie— benjamin, quickly, do you reckon we should be editing these rrirge— we should be editing these rrirgei — we should be editing these things ? well,— we should be editing these things ? well, i- we should be editing these things ? viii“ " we should be editing these things ? erick " we should be editing these things ? viii“ " things? well, i in well, ijust think you shouldn't go backwards . you should leave things as they are and let people make their own judgements. nina a quick comment,-could.- their own judgements. nina a quick comment,-could. l their own judgements. nina a. quick comment,-could. it's quick comment, if i could. it's rieieeieee— quick comment, if i could. it's ridiculous saying— quick comment, if i could. it's ridiculous saying that going to kiss somebody is forcing yourself upon them . that's yourself upon them. that's really extrapolating beyond what it should i mean, my only it should be. i mean, my only thing that that, that alan thing is that that, that alan menken, original, menken, who wrote the original, has actually was working with lin—manuel miranda to change the lyrics. so i think if the composer has decided it, then there's probably validity there's probably more validity in have to interrupt in it. we have to interrupt there. sorry. out of time, neil. orrerwiee,— otherwise, i'm taking your take on otherwise, i'm taking your take er—iierrreii. - otherwise, i'm taking your take er—iierrreii. i- otherwise, i'm taking your takei on_mermaid. i had on on the little mermaid. i had so on on the little mermaid. i had ee rrwer— on on the little mermaid. i had ee rrwer re— on on the little mermaid. i had ee rrwer re eew— on on the little mermaid. i had so much to say as— on on the little mermaid. i had so much to say as well about it. irerwe— so much to say as well about it. thanks-watching— so much to say as well about it. thanks watching tonight. thanks for watching tonight. weeiiire— thanks for watching tonight. headline _way- thanks for watching tonight. . headline _way.you

headline is on the way for you reei. — headline is on the way for you reei. _egeir— headline is on the way for you rewr-egeir. - headline is on the way for you next. _again. the- headline is on the way for you next. again . �*" next. hello again. the fine weerrer— next. hello again. the fine weather many of us have had through today will continue overnight . that does mean it overnight. that does mean it will turn chilly and largely clear but then tomorrow clear skies. but then tomorrow bnngs clear skies. but then tomorrow brings plenty of dry and warm, sunny weather, all because of high pressure which dominated high pressure which is dominated . across the . taking the picture across the uk, fronts in the west uk, keeping fronts in the west at bay . but we are going to see at bay. but we are going to see this weak front trying to push its in the north sea. its way in from the north sea. now that's going to bring a little cloud to eastern little bit more cloud to eastern and parts the and northeastern parts of the uk. and some rain could uk. and also some rain could turn a little heavy times turn a little bit heavy at times over parts of scotland over eastern parts of scotland overnight. elsewhere there will over eastern parts of scotland ovtoftent. elsewhere there will over eastern parts of scotland ovtoften clearzwhere there will over eastern parts of scotland ovtoften clear skies. there will over eastern parts of scotland ovtoften clear skies. and'e will over eastern parts of scotland ovtoften clear skies. and under be often clear skies. and under these clear skies, temperatures are going take a bit of are going to take a bit of a dip. it won't quite as dip. whilst it won't be quite as cold as last night, for it cold as last night, for most, it could still a touch frosty could still be a touch frosty for watch for few for some and watch out for a few patches and fog in the patches of mist and fog in the south. in the night for south. later in the night for many. then on saturday, getting off bright with off to a bright start with plenty sunshine, still plenty of sunshine, still some cloud across eastern north eastern but most of the eastern parts, but most of the rain will clear away and good chunk clouds going chunk of the clouds going to break up as well. so for many, it going to be a largely

it is going to be a largely sunny afternoon. of sunny afternoon. plenty of spnng sunny afternoon. plenty of spring that spring sunshine. and in that sunshine warm sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures touch higher with temperatures a touch higher than of around than today with highs of around 16 or 17 celsius later on as we go through tomorrow evening, we are going to see a bit more cloud across parts of northern ireland. winds strengthening here, all this here, too, all due to this front. in front. that's trying to push in from this will bring from the west. this will bring some rain here as some outbreaks of rain here as we go through the evening and perhaps parts of perhaps to western parts of scotland overnight elsewhere. perhaps to western parts of sco looking overnight elsewhere. perhaps to western parts of sco looking like night elsewhere. perhaps to western parts of sco looking like a ght elsewhere. perhaps to western parts of sco looking like a largelytwhere. perhaps to western parts of scolooking like a largely dryzre. it's looking like a largely dry night. there will be a bit more cloud than we've seen through some recent nights. as a result, temperatures not temperatures perhaps not dropping quite as low as they have done recently. otherwise through easter sunday, it's again for much of england and wales least looking like wales at least looking like another day. yes there'll another fine day. yes there'll be a bit more cloud around than of we head through of late, but as we head through the the in the middle part of the day in particular, it is looking largely rain largely sunny outbreaks of rain through morning across through the morning across scotland should clear away towards then some towards the north, but then some wet going in wet weather is going to push in from the west later on and that will sweep across uk into will sweep across the uk into monday bringing to monday, bringing a change to more unsettled conditions as .

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