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the firm which audits the party's accounts, has resigned . party's accounts, has resigned. johnston carmichael says it made the decision after reviewing its client portfolio earlier this week . the former client portfolio earlier this week. the former snp chief executive peter murrell, who is nicola sturgeon's husband, was arrested by police investigating the party's finances as he was released without charge pending further investigation . police in further investigation. police in northern ireland are warning their officers could be targeted by dissidents in londonderry this easter . by dissidents in londonderry this easter. that's ahead of a state visit by the us president who's arriving in belfast on tuesday. the psni says it's received strong intelligence that attacks are being planned for bank holiday monday , mi5 for bank holiday monday, mi5 raised the terrorist threat level in the country to severe following the shooting of a senior detective, john caldwell . russia has charged a us journalist with espionage. ivan gorshkov , who works for the wall gorshkov, who works for the wall street journal , is accused of street journal, is accused of trying to obtain russian

military secrets on behalf of washington. he pleaded not guilty earlier this week and maintains means he was working as a journalist . but russia's as a journalist. but russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov , says he was caught red handed . president joe biden has described the claims as of espionage as ridiculous and demanded his release . the demanded his release. the foreign secretary is calling for a de—escalation of tensions in the middle east after israel launched air strikes in lebanon and the gaza strip . israel says and the gaza strip. israel says they acted in retaliation to palestinian rocket attacks in the occupied west bank. two israeli sisters have been shot and killed in their car and their mother is in a critical condition in hospital. it comes amid a rise in violence in jerusalem , too, during the jerusalem, too, during the muslim holy month of ramadan, as well as the jewish passover houday. well as the jewish passover holiday . the labour party has holiday. the labour party has stood by an advert that claims rishi sunak doesn't think child sex abusers should go to prison. labour posted the ad on twitter,

pitching itself as the party of law and order, but it's drawn criticism from mps , with senior criticism from mps, with senior tory ministers accusing labour of a vile and desperate campaign strategy and s club seven's paul cattermole has passed away aged 46. only weeks after the pop group announced a comeback tour. he was found at his home in dorset yesterday and police say there were no suspicious circumstances. in a statement , circumstances. in a statement, the family and the band said there are no words to describe their deep sadness . bring it all their deep sadness. bring it all back to you on tv, online , dab+ back to you on tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to . news. now it's back to. darren cheers very much for your company, folks. i'm in for lawrence fox— company, folks. i'm in for lawrence fox now.- f i'm in for lawrence fox now. first up, sir

kea— lawrence fox now. first up, sir keir starmer's_ lawrence fox now. first up, sir keir starmer's case for becoming bataan-e— keir starmer's case for becoming bataan-e newe— keir starmer's case for becoming britain's next prime minister is own— britain's next prime minister is own aowaa— britain's next prime minister is built around the— britain's next prime minister is built around the man having wowauw— built around the man having loyally integrity that you can twee. — loyally integrity that you can twee. wen— loyally integrity that you can trust. well the _ loyally integrity that you can trust. well the knight in owning— trust. well the knight in shining armour has fallen from his shining armour has fallen from me high— shining armour has fallen from me high horse— shining armour has fallen from his high horse and his troops are his high horse and his troops refusing— his high horse and his troops are refusing to— his high horse and his troops are refusing to actually defend him— are refusing to actually defend him owe— are refusing to actually defend him over labour's— are refusing to actually defend him over labour's latest attack ad ease— him over labour's latest attack ad waee mam.— him over labour's latest attack ad last night. there was consensus across twitter doesn't happen— consensus across twitter doesn't happen onen— consensus across twitter doesn't happen onen ae— consensus across twitter doesn't happen often, as commentators of pop.— happen often, as commentators of both hen— happen often, as commentators of both left and— happen often, as commentators of both left and right— happen often, as commentators of both left and right came out in condemnation— both left and right came out in condemnation of— both left and right came out in condemnation of a labour advert than— condemnation of a labour advert than hhanea— condemnation of a labour advert that blamed rishi— condemnation of a labour advert that blamed rishi sunak for hehnp— that blamed rishi sunak for hehp eon— that blamed rishi sunak for being soft on— that blamed rishi sunak for being soft on sentencing pahaehnee— being soft on sentencing guidelines that have seen 4500 aaahe— guidelines that have seen 4500 adults convicted— guidelines that have seen 4500 adults convicted of child sex oheneee— adults convicted of child sex offences walk _ adults convicted of child sex offences walk free since 2010. n. offences walk free since 2010. h. how— offences walk free since 2010. h. how wen — offences walk free since 2010. n. now yet, despite the condemnation from across the pohneah— condemnation from across the political divide,— condemnation from across the political divide, labour have actually— political divide, labour have actually doubled down their anach— actually doubled down their attack material— actually doubled down their attack material with another poster— attack material with another poehenhehnp— attack material with another poster being tweeted out ehahnhp— poster being tweeted out claiming rishi sunak doesn't ho— claiming rishi sunak doesn't to deal— claiming rishi sunak doesn't care to deal with violent gun

ennhahe— care to deal with violent gun criminals either. _ care to deal with violent gun criminals either. now folks, the political— criminals either. now folks, the pohneah phoe— criminals either. now folks, the political blog guido fawkes , political blog guido fawkes, thew-we— political blog guido fawkes, they've actually— political blog guido fawkes, they've actually highlighted that— they've actually highlighted that hhehh — they've actually highlighted that rishi sunak, elected as an mp that rishi sunak, elected as an hh h— that rishi sunak, elected as an hh h zon— that rishi sunak, elected as an mp in 2015 and— that rishi sunak, elected as an mp in 2015 and never hauled in any— mp in 2015 and never hauled in any ninetee— mp in 2015 and never hauled in any minister responsibilities in that— any minister responsibilities in that aea— any minister responsibilities in that area since— any minister responsibilities in that area since then. cannot be poeehhw— that area since then. cannot be possibly responsible . however, possibly responsible. however, sir possibly responsible. however, sh hen— possibly responsible. however, sir keir starmer,_ possibly responsible. however, sir keir starmer, the then hector— sir keir starmer, the then director of— sir keir starmer, the then director of public prosecutions, who— director of public prosecutions, who actually— director of public prosecutions, who actually sat— director of public prosecutions, who actually sat on the sentencing _ who actually sat on the sentencing council , was very sentencing council, was very much— sentencing council, was very much involved— sentencing council, was very much involved .— sentencing council, was very much involved . and you see the much involved. and you see the sentencing— much involved. and you see the sentencing council— much involved. and you see the sentencing council sets sentencing— sentencing council sets sentencing rules and the crown prosecution— sentencing rules and the crown prosecution service sets pnoeeeannp— prosecution service sets prosecuting rules as the current whee— prosecuting rules as the current whee hon— prosecuting rules as the current whee for the— prosecuting rules as the current rules for the sexual assault of children— rules for the sexual assault of children were— rules for the sexual assault of children were last— rules for the sexual assault of children were last updated in 20 he.— children were last updated in 20 he. how— children were last updated in 20 he. now who— children were last updated in 20 1318. now who was— children were last updated in 20 1318. now who was the head of the ens— 1318. now who was the head of the can and— 1318. now who was the head of the cps and sat— 1318. now who was the head of the cps and sat on the sentencing— the cps and sat on the sentencing council in 2013? you might— sentencing council in 2013? you nhphh wett— sentencing council in 2013? you nhpht weh ash— sentencing council in 2013? you might well ask .— sentencing council in 2013? you might well ask . it— sentencing council in 2013? you might well ask . it was none might well ask. it was none other— might well ask. it was none other than— might well ask. it was none other than sir— might well ask. it was none other than sir keir starmer. tatt— other than sir keir starmer. tatt ahoat— other than sir keir starmer. talk about scoring one hell of an goat.— talk about scoring one hell of an own goal. you— talk about scoring one hell of an own goal. you see in attenpttnp— an own goal. you see in attempting to- an own goal. you see in attempting to attack the prime

htnteter— attempting to attack the prime htnteter .— attempting to attack the prime minister. slimy,_ attempting to attack the prime minister. slimy, sir. attempting to attack the prime minister . slimy, sir. spineless minister. slimy, sir. spineless hae— minister. slimy, sir. spineless hae aetaattw— minister. slimy, sir. spineless has actually reminded us of his tract— has actually reminded us of his own track record _ has actually reminded us of his own track record .— has actually reminded us of his own track record . he's now made own track record. he's now made so own track record. he's now made to many— own track record. he's now made no nanw tr—twne— own track record. he's now made no nanw u—twne .— own track record. he's now made so many u—turns , folks, that so many u—turns, folks, that hee— so many u—turns, folks, that net at— so many u—turns, folks, that net at net— so many u—turns, folks, that he's at risk of— so many u—turns, folks, that he's at risk of ending up in the potttteat— he's at risk of ending up in the political u—bend_ he's at risk of ending up in the political u—bend he may well be ot— political u—bend he may well be ot the— political u—bend he may well be one of the last.— political u—bend he may well be one of the last. now banned wet wtpee— one of the last. now banned wet wtpee to— one of the last. now banned wet wtpee to he— one of the last. now banned wet wipes to be flushed out in hntatn-e— wipes to be flushed out in britain's sewers. you see lefty tawwere— britain's sewers. you see lefty tawwere the— britain's sewers. you see lefty lawyers like him _ britain's sewers. you see lefty lawyers like him in my view, are reeponethte— lawyers like him in my view, are responsible for— lawyers like him in my view, are responsible for many of our natton-e— responsible for many of our nation's current— responsible for many of our nation's current wars. take the tahow— nation's current wars. take the labour attacks _ nation's current wars. take the labour attacks on— nation's current wars. take the labour attacks on suella braverman for- labour attacks on suella braverman for her comments on ehttt— braverman for her comments on ehttt eeaat— braverman for her comments on child sexual exploitation by proontnp— child sexual exploitation by grooming gangs. this is partly a party— grooming gangs. this is partly a panw wtth— grooming gangs. this is partly a panw wtth torn — grooming gangs. this is partly a party with form on— grooming gangs. this is partly a party with form on this issue . party with form on this issue. in party with form on this issue. rn zen,— party with form on this issue. in 2017, labour— party with form on this issue. in 2017, labour mp sarah chanpton— in 2017, labour mp sarah champion, the- in 2017, labour mp sarah champion, the member of parliament— champion, the member of parliament for— champion, the member of parliament for rotherham, which was parliament for rotherham, which ot— parliament for rotherham, which was of course caught up in far too— was of course caught up in far too nach— was of course caught up in far too much ot— was of course caught up in far too much of this— was of course caught up in far too much of this cover up of ehttt— too much of this cover up of ehttt rape— too much of this cover up of ehttt rape .— too much of this cover up of child rape , was— too much of this cover up of child rape , was sacked for child rape, was sacked for wrtttnp— child rape, was sacked for writing that— child rape, was sacked for writing that for gang related ehttt— writing that for gang related child sexual— writing that for gang related child sexual exploitation. the eonwtettone— child sexual exploitation. the convictions have— child sexual exploitation. the convictions have largely been apathet— convictions have largely been against british— convictions have largely been against british pakistani men . against british pakistani men. now:— against british pakistani men.

how, tn— against british pakistani men. now, i'm afraid,— against british pakistani men. now, i'm afraid, folks, it's the ttentttw— now, i'm afraid, folks, it's the identity obsessed— now, i'm afraid, folks, it's the identity obsessed left that's reeponethte— identity obsessed left that's responsible for— identity obsessed left that's responsible for much of the oeeeeho— responsible for much of the obsession in— responsible for much of the obsession in with political correctness— obsession in with political correctness that frankly failed young— correctness that frankly failed woanp ptrte— correctness that frankly failed woanp ptrte that— correctness that frankly failed young girls that were left to be rapet— young girls that were left to be rapet ant— young girls that were left to be raped and groomed by racists that— raped and groomed by racists that wtewet— raped and groomed by racists that viewed them as nothing other— that viewed them as nothing other than— that viewed them as nothing other than white trash. so i thtnt— other than white trash. so i thtnt tn— other than white trash. so i think in reminding us of that tact,— think in reminding us of that paa, tahoar— think in reminding us of that fact, labour has— think in reminding us of that fact, labour has likely reminded nanw— fact, labour has likely reminded many that— fact, labour has likely reminded nanw that he— fact, labour has likely reminded many that it's often stood on the— many that it's often stood on the wrong— many that it's often stood on the wrong side— many that it's often stood on the wrong side of— many that it's often stood on the wrong side of public opinion on the— the wrong side of public opinion on thte teete— the wrong side of public opinion on this issue .— on this issue. how- on this issue. now tonight we're on this issue.— now tonight we're asking you on thte teete— now tonight we're asking you , now tonight we're asking you, our viewers, more— now tonight we're asking you, our viewers, more important than me our viewers, more important than he , what— our viewers, more important than he , what won— our viewers, more important than me , what you think about the big me, what you think about the big ot— me, what you think about the big ot the— me, what you think about the big issues of the day.— me, what you think about the big issues of the day. let me know wow— issues of the day. let me know wow thonphte— issues of the day. let me know your thoughts. email gb views at gb your thoughts. email gb views at on newe— your thoughts. email gb views at on hewe. ht.— your thoughts. email gb views at gb news. .uk. i've— your thoughts. email gb views at gb news. .uk. i've got you up in nont— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in tront ot— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in tront ot ne— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in front of me here— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in front of me here or— gb news. .uk. i've got you up in front of me here or tweet at gb hewe. — front of me here or tweet at gb hewe. how— front of me here or tweet at gb hewe. how so— front of me here or tweet at gb news. now so it— front of me here or tweet at gb news. now so it can't be denied that— news. now so it can't be denied that we— news. now so it can't be denied that we have— news. now so it can't be denied that we have more— news. now so it can't be denied that we have more asylum reaaeete— that we have more asylum requests than— that we have more asylum requests than we can actually proee—

requests than we can actually proe npht— requests than we can actually process right now— requests than we can actually process right now . yesterday, process right now. yesterday, totte— process right now. yesterday, totte 77— process right now. yesterday, folks, 77 people— process right now. yesterday, folks, 77 people crossed the channet— folks, 77 people crossed the channet tn— folks, 77 people crossed the channel in small boats. heeorttnp— channel in small boats. according to— channel in small boats. according to official stats on wretneetaw— according to official stats on wednesday, the _ according to official stats on wednesday, the number was a etappennp— wednesday, the number was a etappennp noz- — wednesday, the number was a staggering 492. in total, wednesday, the number was a staggering 492. in total , 4500 staggering 492. in total, 4500 peopte— staggering 492. in total, 4500 peopte that— staggering 492. in total, 4500 people that were— staggering 492. in total, 4500 people that were know of have teen — people that were know of have been detected— people that were know of have been detected crossing the tnptteh— been detected crossing the english channel in small boats thre— english channel in small boats thte wear. — english channel in small boats thte wear. rte— english channel in small boats this year. it's, of— english channel in small boats this year. it's, of course, ttwttet— this year. it's, of course, divided the— this year. it's, of course, divided the main political pantee— divided the main political pantee ae— divided the main political parties as well as the nation. so parties as well as the nation. so teet— parties as well as the nation. so taet what— parties as well as the nation. so just what do— parties as well as the nation. so just what do we do with peopte— so just what do we do with peopte that— so just what do we do with people that arrive here without documentation _ people that arrive here without documentation and a story that hae— documentation and a story that hae to— documentation and a story that hae to he— documentation and a story that has to be surely— documentation and a story that has to be surely investigated ant— has to be surely investigated ant no— has to be surely investigated and no one seems to have a wortahte— and no one seems to have a workable answer.- and no one seems to have a workable answer. and regardless of workable answer. and regardless oh wow— workable answer. and regardless of your thoughts— workable answer. and regardless of your thoughts on the reason peopte— of your thoughts on the reason peopte aetaattw— of your thoughts on the reason people actually make the eroeetnp— people actually make the crossing when _ people actually make the crossing when they do and the the— crossing when they do and the reasons the motivations for pap,— reasons the motivations for that, what— reasons the motivations for that, what do— reasons the motivations for that, what do we do when they hear— that, what do we do when they hear that— that, what do we do when they hear that to— that, what do we do when they hear that to house— that, what do we do when they hear that to house people, to keep— hear that to house people, to keep peopte— hear that to house people, to keep people safe? all of those rearw— keep people safe? all of those really important— keep people safe? all of those really important issues ? well, a really important issues? well, a who— really important issues? well, a man who knows— really important issues? well, a man who knows a— really important issues? well, a man who knows a thing or two about— man who knows a thing or two about the— man who knows a thing or two about thte te— man who knows a thing or two about this is the— man who knows a thing or two about this is the immigration tawwen— about this is the immigration tawwen twan— about this is the immigration

lawyer, ivan sampson . ivan joins lawyer, ivan sampson. ivan joins me now. ivan, thank you very much— me now. ivan, thank you very much tor— me now. ivan, thank you very much tor wow— me now. ivan, thank you very much for your time. now that etan— much for your time. now that etan there— much for your time. now that start there that— much for your time. now that start there that i— much for your time. now that start there that i mentioned teee— start there that i mentioned reoo peopte— start there that i mentioned 4500 people this year that we know— 4500 people this year that we know about— 4500 people this year that we know about at— 4500 people this year that we know about at this barge that's set know about at this barge that's eet to— know about at this barge that's eet to he— know about at this barge that's set to be moored— know about at this barge that's set to be moored in portland pap,— set to be moored in portland pap, whteh— set to be moored in portland port, which is— set to be moored in portland port, which is a— set to be moored in portland port, which is a barge off of horeet— port, which is a barge off of horeet .— port, which is a barge off of horeet , too— port, which is a barge off of dorset , 500 people are seen in dorset, 500 people are seen in that— dorset, 500 people are seen in that page— dorset, 500 people are seen in that page .— dorset, 500 people are seen in that barge , 4500. _ dorset, 500 people are seen in that barge , 4500. where are we that barge, 4500. where are we going— that barge, 4500. where are we potnp to— that barge, 4500. where are we potnp to pat— that barge, 4500. where are we going to put everyone else if we're not putting them in hotetee— we're not putting them in hotels? and— we're not putting them in hotels? and indeed , in fact, the hotels? and indeed, in fact, the tape— hotels? and indeed, in fact, the tape onw— hotels? and indeed, in fact, the barge only accounts for about teee— barge only accounts for about teee than— barge only accounts for about less than half— barge only accounts for about less than half a%_ barge only accounts for about less than half a% of the people in less than half a% of the people tn hotete. — less than half a% of the people in hotels. there's— less than half a% of the people in hotels. there's all- less than half a% of the people in hotels. there's all sorts of remember that we house in hotels , many ukrainians who are not refugees. so it doesn't give you a true picture of the people in hotels. the problem the government has is going to if you look at the trend over the last two years, we can expect that small boat crossings in the channel to rise to between 60 to 70,000 people this year. so the barge may be good if we add another about 150 more barges. so we need them up and down the

coastline of the uk. it's just another gimmick, amnesty international said today. it's political theatre for by the home office . and that's exactly home office. and that's exactly what it is . it's the it's the what it is. it's the it's the government saying, look, we're doing something, but it's not going to solve the problem. what they need to do is to properly assess genuine asylum seekers within a reasonable time. those that are not genuine remove them , please remove them. they should remove anyone, especially those coming from safe third countries. we have the power to remove them within two weeks. why are we not doing that? why are we putting them up in in accommodation ? because i mean accommodation? because i mean the pathe— accommodation? because i mean the pahtte .— accommodation? because i mean the pahtte , won— accommodation? because i mean the public , you know,— ”3“ because i mean the public , you know, half of the public, you know, half of hrttone— the public, you know, half of hrttone are— the public, you know, half of britons are saying that barges are acceptable— britons are saying that barges are acceptable housing for aewtan— are acceptable housing for asylum seekers. so, you know, where— asylum seekers. so, you know, where won— asylum seekers. so, you know, where are you pull the where are you to pull the putter— where are you to pull thei public?-building where are you to pull the- public?-building more public? i imagine building more of public? i imagine building more ot theee— public? i imagine building more of these barges— public? i imagine building more of these barges where an island natton— of these barges where an island natton .— of these barges where an island natton , won— of these barges where an island nation , you could— of these barges where an island nation , you could probably build nation, you could probably build patte— nation, you could probably build ante—.— nation, you could probably build patte—. re- nation, you could probably build patte—. re r- nation, you could probably build quite_. is i mean,i quite a few barges. is i mean, is quite a few barges. is i mean, he that— quite a few barges. is i mean, he that what— quite a few barges. is i mean, is that what the— quite a few barges. is i mean, is that what the sort of thing that— is that what the sort of thing that-porno— is that what the sort of thing that-porno to- is that what the sort of thing that going to see, you that we're going to see, do you thtnt— that we're going to see, do you thtnt that-e— that we're going to see, do you think that's going— that we're going to see, do you think that's going to be the government's— think that's going to be the government's response to eonhattnp— government's response to combating issue? if government's response to combrgoing issue? if government's response to combrgoing to issue? if government's response to combrgoing to house’ if government's response to combrgoing to house themif government's response to combrgoing to house them for we're going to house them for weare—

we're going to house them for wean-ena— we're going to house them for years-end, then- we're going to house them for years end, then yes. years on upon end, then yes. hat— years on upon end, then yes. hat-want— years on upon end, then yes. but-want-that.| but we don't want to do that. look, we need a proper asylum system that considers these asylum applications efficiently, fairly , and removes those people fairly, and removes those people who are failed asylum seekers . who are failed asylum seekers. and that's what we don't have. instead ed, what we're saying is, look, we're the home office is, look, we're the home office is saying we're really slow at doing this. we're not deciding asylum applications. so what we'll do is we'll put them up in barges. meantime . no, get barges. in the meantime. no, get your together. suella your act together. suella braverman watching braverman. if she's watching this please recruit more this show, please recruit more people. train the right people, decide applications within a reasonable time. i've got clients waiting over a year for asylum interviews . that's one asylum interviews. that's one year now that can't be acceptable. and instead of blaming asylum seekers and by the way , you don't need to have the way, you don't need to have documents if you're an asylum seeker , you can come completely seeker, you can come completely undocumented . but most of my undocumented. but most of my viewers. right. and i know for a tatt— viewers. right. and i know for a taet thre— viewers. right. and i know for a fact this will—

viewers. right. and i know for a fact this will be _ , right. and i know for a fact this will be happening up ant— fact this will be happening up ant town— fact this will be happening up and down the— fact this will be happening up and down the country. they'll be eerearntnp— and down the country. they'll be eeearntnp at— and down the country. they'll be screaming at their— and down the country. they'll be screaming at their television, eawtnp— screaming at their television, eawtnpltot— screaming at their television, eawtnpltot ot— screaming at their television, saying lot of these people saying a lot of these people aent— saying a lot of these people aren't asylum _ saying a lot of these people aren't asylum seekers . they're aren't asylum seekers. they're tttepat— aren't asylum seekers. they're. tttepat—eone illegal migrants who have come here—wort— illegal migrants who have come here—wort .- illegal migrants who have come here—work . right.- illegal migrants who have come here work . right. or here looking for work. right. or hawe— here looking for work. right. or have come here— here looking for work. right. or have come here from maybe eounneet— have come here from maybe countries like— have come here from maybe countries like albania and are petttnp— countries like albania and are petttnp toet— countries like albania and are petttnp toet tn— countries like albania and are getting lost in away from the actuat— getting lost in away from the actual official— getting lost in away from the actual official systems and are petttnp— actual official systems and are petttnp pp— actual official systems and are petttnp up to— actual official systems and are petttnp up to no— actual official systems and are getting up to no good. they're eawtnp— getting up to no good. they're eawtnp thew-re— getting up to no good. they're saying they're not asylum seekers. so _ saying they're not asylum seekers. so stop calling them aewtun— seekers. so stop calling them asylum seekers— seekers. so stop calling them asylum seekers . _ seekers. so stop calling them asylum seekers . 3: aghznz; asylum seekers. indeed, i agree with you. look, don't blame blame albanians for looking for work here. if you have strong deterrents, if i'm an albanian, and i know that if i go across to the uk and within two weeks i'm going to end up back in albania, i'm not going to pay the money to go there in the first place. we need effective deterrents. and the only way we do that is have proper robust removal of those failed non—genuine asylum seekers. so then are you saying that if “cl" so then are you saying that if we hawe— then are you saying that if we have the— then are you saying that if we have this robust— then are you saying that if we have this robust removal, we the— have this robust removal, we trtnp that— have this robust removal, we bring that about? won't it be wow— bring that about? won't it be your profession— bring that about? won't it be your profession that seeks to hate— your profession that seeks to hate etop— your profession that seeks to make stop that— your profession that seeks to make stop that through the

twopean— make stop that through the european court— make stop that through the european court ? european court? look, no, we promote i promote genuine asylum seekers . i will not. and promote i promote genuine asylum seekers. i will not. and i'm sure many of my colleagues will say exactly the same thing. we want to protect those people that are being persecuted. i've seen over the last three years the hearts of this nation growing colder towards people fleeing persecution . an it's not fleeing persecution. an it's not what we do . it's just not the what we do. it's just not the british way that we do things. we warmly welcomed those people fleeing persecution and we should continue to welcome them in the future. yeah, but when you've got half a million people net coming here last year, the british people are saying, well, hang on a minute for people already here, we've got a housing crisis, we've got a health care crisis, we've got an education crisis. what are we going— education crisis. what are we potnp to— education crisis. what are we going to actually— education crisis. what are we going to actually do- 33 cl" if.” what are we going to actually do with people when— going to actually do with people when thew— going to actually do with people when they arrive— going to actually do with people when they arrive here? britain tan-t— when they arrive here? britain can't ultimate— when they arrive here? britain can't ultimate be— when they arrive here? britain can't ultimate be the end destination— can't ultimate be the end destination for- can't ultimate be the end destination for everybody that wante— destination for everybody that wante to — destination for everybody that wants to come— destination for everybody that wants to come here, can it? i agree— wants to come here, can it? i agree wtth— wants to come here, can it? i agree wtth won.— wants to come here, can it? i agree with you. but- wants to come here, can it? i agree with you. but the data doesn't bear that out. look we're 17th on the league of

countries accepting asylum seekers for every for every 10,000 population in this country. we take seven. germany takes 14. we actually don't take enough asylum seekers. i disagree with, you know, but france is rejecting far more than we are, though . well, i than we are, though. well, i don't know about who they're rejecting, but the point is genuine asylum seekers . we genuine asylum seekers. we should have more. we should process more. we don't take our fair share . and that's fair share. and that's absolutely a fact . we're way absolutely a fact. we're way down on the list. come on. half. tut— down on the list. come on. half. tut wowe— down on the list. come on. half. but you're talking— 3 e come on. half. but you're talking 500,000 peopte— but you're talking 500,000 peopte earne— but you're talking 500,000 people came here last year eeettng— people came here last year seeking asylum. many of them tron— seeking asylum. many of them from ukraine,— seeking asylum. many of them from ukraine, afghanistan and nong— from ukraine, afghanistan and hong tong.— from ukraine, afghanistan and hong kong. yeah, that's. that's a tot— hong kong. yeah, that's. that's a tot ot— hong kong. yeah, that's. that's a tot ot peopte.— hong kong. yeah, that's. that's a lot of people. no i have to eeorret— a lot of people. no i have to t won — a lot of people. no i have to correct you. hong- a lot of people. no i have to correct you. g g a lot of people. no i have to correct you. ing g e correct you. hong kong didn't seek asylum. neither did ukrainians. no ukrainian, british, overseas nationals , british, overseas nationals, passports were able to come here last year. so a lot of them did come over here— last year. so a lot of them did come over here last— so a lot of them did come over here last year. ' 3 come over here last year. and that— come over here last year. and that wa— come over here last year. and that was through a scheme that government opened up. and but they are seeking asylum. it

might not be asylum 3 it might not be asylum seekers, but thew—eeet- they are coming here to seek aewtun— they are coming here to seek aewtnn tron — they are coming here to seek asylum from chinese tyranny . asylum from chinese tyranny. pa,— asylum from chinese tyranny. tn-oontng— asylum from chinese tyranny. no,-coming here- asylum from chinese tyranny. i no,-coming here because no, they're coming here because the government's allowed them to come here on a special visa program. ukraine aliens were allowed to come in a special allowed to come in on a special visa program. asylum seekers visa program. no asylum seekers are a fraction of what we should be taking and that those those are the facts. and it's the rhetoric, the myths , rhetoric, the myths, misrepresentation of the facts that the british people, if they knew that we actually take a fraction of other countries. i just want to give you a quote teeaee— just want to give you a quote because there's— just want to give you a quote because there's a— just want to give you a quote because there's a quote in this is because there's a quote in this he tn— because there's a quote in this he tn the— because there's a quote in this is in the mail— because there's a quote in this is in the mail today. and it's gnottng— is in the mail today. and it's gnottng a— is in the mail today. and it's quoting a sudanese refugee who tott— quoting a sudanese refugee who toldlbroadcaster_ quoting a sudanese refugee who told broadcaster here, i don't told a broadcaster here, i don't want— told a broadcaster here, i don't want to— told a broadcaster here, i don't want to go.— told a broadcaster here, i don't want to go. ant— told a broadcaster here, i don't want to go. and that's talking atout— want to go. and that's talking atout the— want to go. and that's talking about the dorset— want to go. and that's talking about the dorset barge . i would about the dorset barge. i would go honeteee— about the dorset barge. i would go homeless. and— about the dorset barge. i would go homeless. and a second one eart— go homeless. and a second one eat that— go homeless. and a second one eat that he— go homeless. and a second one said that he can't— go homeless. and a second one said that he can't move and urged— said that he can't move and nrget peopte— said that he can't move and nrget peopte to— said that he can't move and urged people to protest outside his urged people to protest outside the note.— urged people to protest outside his hotel. actually advocating that— his hotel. actually advocating that there-e— his hotel. actually advocating that there's disruption on the etreete— that there's disruption on the etreete ot— that there's disruption on the streets of britain— that there's disruption on the streets of britain when people eat— streets of britain when people eat theee— streets of britain when people read these sort— streets of britain when people read these sort of— streets of britain when people read these sort of stories and peopte— read these sort of stories and peopte hawe— read these sort of stories and people have illegally entered the— people have illegally entered thte country,— people have illegally entered this country, people feel nghttw— this country, people feel nghttw .— this country, people feel nghttw , tn— this country, people feel rightly , in my- this country, people feel rightly , in my view, really

rightly, in my view, really aetuattw— rightly, in my view, really actually quite _ rightly, in my view, really actually quite upset that this is actually quite upset that this he attowet— actually quite upset that this is allowed to— actually quite upset that this is allowed to go— actually quite upset that this is allowed to go on. because if you— is allowed to go on. because if you are— is allowed to go on. because if you are genuinely— is allowed to go on. because if you are genuinely seeking refuge awaw— you are genuinely seeking refuge awaw tron— you are genuinely seeking refuge away from bomb— you are genuinely seeking refuge away from bomb bullet and all the teet— away from bomb bullet and all the reet ot— away from bomb bullet and all the rest of it— away from bomb bullet and all the rest of it and— away from bomb bullet and all the rest of it and you're not eeettng— the rest of it and you're not eeettng to— the rest of it and you're not seeking to flee— the rest of it and you're not seeking to flee away from eheeeee— seeking to flee away from cheeses and _ seeking to flee away from cheeses and baguettes in france, whteh— cheeses and baguettes in france, when he— cheeses and baguettes in france, when he what— cheeses and baguettes in france, which is what a— cheeses and baguettes in france, which is what a lot— cheeses and baguettes in france, which is what a lot of people totng— which is what a lot of people are doing because they're coming here— are doing because they're coming here tron— are doing because they're coming here from france— are doing because they're coming here from france ,_ are doing because they're coming here from france , then people here from france, then people toot— here from france, then people toot at— here from france, then people toot at the— here from france, then people look at the disrespect act for the— look at the disrespect act for the tntteh— look at the disrespect act for the british taxpayer and rightly feel the british taxpayer and rightly teet pretty— the british taxpayer and rightly feel pretty aggrieved by that. now— feel pretty aggrieved by that. how. r— feel pretty aggrieved by that. how. r an— feel pretty aggrieved by that. now, i can understand- feel pretty aggrieved by that. now, i can understand that. but look, the mindsets are all wrong about around this problem and people coming here to we have an obugafion people coming here to we have an obligation under the refugee convention. we've got to comply with that. it's not like we're doing you a favour by considering your asylum claim and we got to get off this this attitude that we're doing you a favour, mate, because you're coming here and you should be grateful for even if we stick you in a barge and you should be grateful. look, i'd want to be treated fairly if i was claiming asylum in another country , i'd

asylum in another country, i'd expect the same treatment to be given to those that are coming to this country. so tell us, then. tell my viewers, how many peopte— then. tell my viewers, how many peopte woutt— then. tell my viewers, how many peopte wontt te— 3 tell my viewers, how many people would be enough? how many peopte— people would be enough? how many peopte-aewtun — people would be enough? how many people asylum should, in people seeking asylum should, in wow— people seeking asylum should, in woww—e— people seeking asylum should, in wow—we-wel your view, should we allow we ehoutt — your view, should we allow we should -100,000 - your view, should we allow we. should -100,000 lyear should be taking 100,000 a year aewtun— should be taking 100,000 a year asylum seekers— should be taking 100,000 a year asylum seekers and look, that guota— asylum seekers and look, that gnota eee— asylum seekers and look, that quota seems like— asylum seekers and look, that quota seems like a lot, but it ten-t. — quota seems like a lot, but it rent. .the— quota seems like a lot, but it isn't. .the unchr- quota seems like a lot, but it isn't. .the unchr and. quota seems like a lot, but it. isn't. .the unchr and the isn't. and the unchr and the other countries should get together and every country should take their fair share. and then where should we put them— and then where should we put thene then— and then where should we put them? then on— and then where should we put them? then on that 100,000 peopte,— them? then on that 100,000 peopte, where — them? then on that 100,000 people, where should they go? nett— people, where should they go? nettlwoa— people, where should they go? well,.you decide— people, where should they go? well,.you decide asylum- well, if you decide asylum application within a reasonable time, i say should be no time, which i say should be no longer than three months, that's the maximum you should take, then they can work . if they've then they can work. if they've been granted, they can work. they themselves they can integrate themselves into society. those that are into our society. those that are not genuine remove them. we've got the power to do that. why are we not removing? we keep saying are we not removing? we keep eawtng gap,— are we not removing? we keep saying that, though. - 311i; ”ti;33ti:r 3g? we keep saying that, though. but then when— saying that, though. but then when we— saying that, though. but then when we to— saying that, though. but then when we do actually attempt to do when we do actually attempt to to gap,— when we do actually attempt to to that, he— when we do actually attempt to do that, it's held _ when we do actually attempt to do that, it's held up the do that, it's held up in the open— do that, it's held up in the eouen wee — do that, it's held up in the courts. yes look,- do that, it's held up in the courts. yes look, the ultimate solution is we need an agreement with france . we need an with france. we need an agreement that's not going to

happen. i'm afraid that's ntoptanten— happen. i'm afraid that's utopianism .— happen. i'm afraid that's utopianism . that- i'm afraid that's utopianism . that is the utopianism. that is the eotutton— utopianism. that is the solution. it's- utopianism. that is the solution. it's not going to happen— solution. it's not going to happen because the french don't want— happen because the french don't want the— happen because the french don't want the peopte— happen because the french don't want the people staying there. t hey— want the people staying there. thew woutt— want the people staying there. they would rather them do aetuattw— they would rather them do actually make _ they would rather them do actually make the journey and trawet— actually make the journey and trawet owe— actually make the journey and travel over britain because travel over to britain because then— travel over to britain because. then—wrett then they're our problem. well, we totng— then they're our problem. well, we were doing that with the tutttn— we were doing that with the dublin convention before we left the-neat— dublin convention before we left the-need we— dublin convention before we left the - need we need - dublin convention before we left. the - need we need ltreaty the eu. we need we need a treaty akin to the dublin convention. and whatever the french need, we need to find out what it is that we need to horse trade with them to get that treated back in place. once we have place. and once we have that treaty back place, if i knew treaty back in place, if i knew that i'm coming the uk that if i'm coming to the uk from france, i'm going to get sent back, i would the sent back, i would not make the journey. that a deterrent journey. that is a deterrent that we need . not putting that we need. not putting up people barges , not this people in barges, not this political and it's just political theatre and it's just it's embarrassing. well, hey, i mean, it's embarrassing. well, hey, i tn gotng— it's embarrassing. well, hey, i mean, i'm going to— it's embarrassing. well, hey, i mean, i'm going to say- e ti;33 3g well, hey, i mean, i'm going to say something that-e— mean, i'm going to say something that-e gotng— mean, i'm going to say something that-e gotng to— mean, i'm going to say something that's going to make your blood tott— that's going to make your blood tort-toutt. - that's going to make your blood boil,-doubt. but- boil, i have no doubt. but i thtnt— boil, i have no doubt. but i thtnt we— boil, i have no doubt. but i think we need— boil, i have no doubt. but i think we need to leave the echr, i'm think we need to leave the echr, tn atratt— think we need to leave the echr, i'm afraid, because— think we need to leave the echr, i'm afraid, because i think utttnatetw— i'm afraid, because i think ultimately british ultimately the british people ehoutt—who- ultimately the british people should _who can| should be the ones who can teterntne— should be the ones who can- determine _ doesn't should be the ones who can- deterr here. _ doesn't should be the ones who can- deterrhere. and-doesn't should be the ones who can deterrhere. and i doesn't should be the ones who can deterrhere. and i don't doesn't should be the ones who can deterrhere. and i don't thinksn't come here. and i don't think that-e— come here. and i don't think that-e-to- come here. and i don't think that's-to.with. come here. and i don't think. that's-to.with the that's anything to do with the eu that's anything to do with the nu letwree— that's anything to do with the eu .course, that— that's anything to do with the eu course, that court is eu of course, that court is eonptetetw— eu of course, that court is completely separate, but utttnatetw—

completely separate, but ultimately, you know, brexit, we wotet— ultimately, you know, brexit, we wotet tent— ultimately, you know, brexit, we voted brexit for— ultimately, you know, brexit, we voted brexit for a— ultimately, you know, brexit, we voted brexit for a reason. as a warrant.— voted brexit for a reason. as a journalist won— voted brexit for a reason. as a journalist, you have freedom of expression, don't you? it's because of the echr that you have that right. oh, come on. before the echr was brought about , we had freedom of about, we had freedom of expression in britain. well , let expression in britain. well, let me correct you. it's not the case. case that came case. a leading case that came before court . the human before the court. the human rights is you have rights court is why you have freedom expression. all freedom of expression. all because the echr look, the rights of the of the of the convention an are to protect all of us. all of our human rights is not just about focusing on asylum seekers. and you're not going to dump whole thing going to dump the whole thing because seekers . that because of asylum seekers. that would ridiculous. we'll have would be ridiculous. we'll have to agree to— would be ridiculous. we'll have to agree to disagree— 3 3 3 f we'll have to agree to disagree then. ivan, thank— to agree to disagree then. ivan, thank-noon- to agree to disagree then. ivan, thank-much for- to agree to disagree then. ivan, thank much for your thank you very much for your the— thank you very much for your the-that— thank you very much for your time _that was- thank you very much for your time that was ivan time today. that was ivan sanpeon. — time today. that was ivan- sampson. _lawyer sampson. immigration lawyer there.— sampson. immigration lawyer there. how,— sampson. immigration lawyer there. now, folks, are you ptanntng— there. now, folks, are you ptanntng a— there. now, folks, are you planning a lovely british beach treat— planning a lovely british beach treat the— planning a lovely british beach break this weekend ? i'm going to break this weekend? i'm going to be break this weekend? i'm going to te treeueetng— break this weekend? i'm going to be discussing our— break this weekend? i'm going to be discussing our waterways and wet wtpee— be discussing our waterways and wet wtpee tater— be discussing our waterways and wet wipes later on. _ be discussing our waterways and wet wipes later on. not a very ntee— wet wipes later on. not a very r— wet wipes later on. not a very nice one, i must— wet wipes later on. not a very nice one, i must say. next though— nice one, i must say. next though the— nice one, i must say. next though, the former editor and meta— though, the former editor and media commentator paul coney. ant— media commentator paul coney. ant the— media commentator paul coney. and the political— media commentator paul coney.

and the political commentator swanne— and the political commentator suzanne evans— and the political commentator suzanne evans are here to lock horne— suzanne evans are here to lock tone on— suzanne evans are here to lock tone on the— suzanne evans are here to lock horns on this week's news .

welcome back. you're watching tanen— welcome back. you're watching darren grimes.— welcome back. you're watching darren grimes. i'm in for laurence fox— darren grimes. i'm in for laurence fox on this glorious toot— laurence fox on this glorious eoot trttaw— laurence fox on this glorious good friday. i'm— laurence fox on this glorious good friday. i'm joined here in the etutto— good friday. i'm joined here in the etutto tw— good friday. i'm joined here in the studio by the— good friday. i'm joined here in the studio by the former editor ant— the studio by the former editor ant metha— the studio by the former editor and media commentator paul coney and media commentator paul coney ant potttteat— and media commentator paul coney and political commentator swanne— and political commentator suzanne evans— and political commentator suzanne evans to reflect on some of suzanne evans to reflect on some ot the— suzanne evans to reflect on some ot thte eete— suzanne evans to reflect on some of this week's news— suzanne evans to reflect on some of this week's news as well as toottng— of this week's news as well as looking ahead— of this week's news as well as looking ahead to— of this week's news as well as looking ahead to the weekend. ant— looking ahead to the weekend. ant thet— looking ahead to the weekend. ant ttret ot— looking ahead to the weekend. and first of all,— looking ahead to the weekend. and first of all, would like toth— and first of all, would like toth ot— and first of all, would like toth oh wow— and first of all, would like both of your thoughts on the ntgrant— both of your thoughts on the ntgrant targe. — both of your thoughts on the migrant barge. suzanne, i'm going— migrant barge. suzanne, i'm gotng to— migrant barge. suzanne, i'm gotng to tone— migrant barge. suzanne, i'm going to come to you first. i ton-t— going to come to you first. i ton-t know— going to come to you first. i don't know if— going to come to you first. i don't know if you- going to come to you first. i don't know if you heard the last eegnent— don't know if you heard the last eegnent there— don't know if you heard the last segment there with ivan sampson, the immigration— segment there with ivan sampson, the immigration lawyer , talking the immigration lawyer, talking atout— the immigration lawyer, talking atout the— the immigration lawyer, talking about the dorset— the immigration lawyer, talking about the dorset barge . i mean, about the dorset barge. i mean, are about the dorset barge. i mean, wou— about the dorset barge. i mean, wow tor— about the dorset barge. i mean, are you for this?— about the dorset barge. i mean, are you for this? the british peopte— are you for this? the british peopte are— are you for this? the british people are saying, look, we like

the— people are saying, look, we like thte none— people are saying, look, we like thte ot— people are saying, look, we like this more of this,— people are saying, look, we like this more of this, please. nett— this more of this, please. not. r— this more of this, please. well, i think— this more of this, please. well, i think the- this more of this, please. well, i think the british people like it, but i think not everybody lives dorset. and everybody lives in dorset. and clearly people dorset clearly the people of dorset don't all. both the don't like it at all. both the local the mayor have local mp and the mayor have i think, quite rightly expressed concerns about damage concerns about the damage it will tourism industry will do to the tourism industry and fact that the cost and also the fact that the cost of it's a gimmick, i think of this, it's a gimmick, i think to be honest, darren, i think it's a sticking plaster. there's a massive problem with the asylum backlog. it's at a 20 year 160,000 people year high, 160,000 people waiting for their cases to be processed. this is this is nothing. a barge for 500 people. that's just yesterday. and today's illegal crossings across the channel and it's full mean. i really feel for dorset actually being put in this situation . ian, there's going to situation. ian, there's going to be a problem also , i think with be a problem also, i think with the tourism industry. we need umpteen barges like this, but ultimately , and i think your ultimately, and i think your previous interviewee was absolutely the immigration lawyer this is not lawyer was spot on. this is not a deterrent. it's not going to solve the problem. there's only one to this. and that's one solution to this. and that's stop the boats coming across the

channel and rid of this channel and get rid of this asylum backlog. i totally channel and get rid of this asylurwithiklog. i totally channel and get rid of this asylurwith what i totally channel and get rid of this asylurwith what he i totally channel and get rid of this asylurwith what he was)tally channel and get rid of this asylurwith what he was saying agree with what he was saying about have genuine about we need to have genuine asylum coming in and we asylum seekers coming in and we should do more i've should do more of that. i've always that. but 500,000 always said that. but 500,000 last always said that. but 500,000 taet-thowgh— always said that. but 500,000 last .though, it's - always said that. but 500,000 last-though, it's a - always said that. but 500,000 last-though, it's a big- last year though, it's a big nte— last year though, it's a big number, isn't— last year though, it's a big number, isn't it, suzanne? well wett— number, isn't it, suzanne? well wett tooooo— number, isn't it, suzanne? well well, 500,000 is— number, isn't it, suzanne? well well, 500,000 is the kind of net ntgratton— well, 500,000 is the kind of net ntgratton-r-n- well, 500,000 is the kind of net migration-i'm-surel migration figure. i'm not sure i agree— migration figure. i'm not sure i agree with his his saying that we should take in 100,000 every that's 20% is quite big. but yeah, paul, 100,000 every year. what do you reckon? that's not out at— what do you reckon? that's not out of the question . i mean, i out of the question. i mean, i think out of the question. i mean, i thtnt wewe— out of the question. i mean, i think we've got— out of the question. i mean, i think we've got to— out of the question. i mean, i think we've got to look- 3 i mean, i think we've got to look at this reattw— think we've got to look at this really realistically. we are an agetng— really realistically. we are an ageing population. we need more regat— ageing population. we need more tegat ntgrante— ageing population. we need more legal migrants. we— ageing population. we need more legal migrants. we need we need an aewtwn — legal migrants. we need we need an asylum system— legal migrants. we need we need an asylum system that works not wtth— an asylum system that works not wtth p.— an asylum system that works not wtth p. ot— an asylum system that works not with 1% of last— an asylum system that works not with 1% of last year's entry tetng— with 1% of last year's entry being processed- with 1% of last year's entry being processed . and this is being processed. and this is potttteat— being processed. and this is political gimmickry . the barge political gimmickry. the barge is political gimmickry. the barge te gtnntetrw— political gimmickry. the barge is gimmickry. so— political gimmickry. the barge is gimmickry. so is the rwanda ptan— is gimmickry. so is the rwanda ptan. there— is gimmickry. so is the rwanda plan. there are— is gimmickry. so is the rwanda plan. there are no— is gimmickry. so is the rwanda plan. there are no solutions , plan. there are no solutions, ran.— plan. there are no solutions, ran. ant— plan. there are no solutions, ian. and what's— plan. there are no solutions, ian. and what's more, we now hawe— ian. and what's more, we now have the— ian. and what's more, we now have the absurd— ian. and what's more, we now have the absurd situation. nonto— have the absurd situation. ronte ae— have the absurd situation. ronte ae a— have the absurd situation. ironic as a labour supporter, wow— ironic as a labour supporter, wow know— ironic as a labour supporter, wow tnow .— ironic as a labour supporter, won tnow , ot— ironic as a labour supporter, won tnow , ot a— ironic as a labour supporter, you know , of a tory mp , a tory you know, of a tory mp, a tory

eounett— you know, of a tory mp, a tory eownett .— you know, of a tory mp, a tory eownett , wow— you know, of a tory mp, a tory council , you know,— you know, of a tory mp, a tory council , you know, now you know, of a tory mp, a tory council, you know, now siding wtth— council, you know, now siding wtth the— council, you know, now siding with the refugee— council, you know, now siding with the refugee council and the oppoettton— with the refugee council and the opposition parties— with the refugee council and the opposition parties in saying the— opposition parties in saying thte te— opposition parties in saying this is absurd— opposition parties in saying this is absurd and ridiculous ant— this is absurd and ridiculous ant we— this is absurd and ridiculous and we have,— this is absurd and ridiculous and we have, we— this is absurd and ridiculous and we have, we have the former home— and we have, we have the former home eeeretarw— and we have, we have the former home secretary, priti patel, and the current— home secretary, priti patel, and the current foreign secretary , the current foreign secretary, james— the current foreign secretary, ranee ctewertw— the current foreign secretary, james cleverly saying about other— james cleverly saying about other ptane— james cleverly saying about other plans not— james cleverly saying about other plans not not on our pateh. — other plans not not on our pateh. r— other plans not not on our patch. i mean,— other plans not not on our patch. i mean, this is ridiculous. - patch. i mean, this is ridiculous. �*vw'tige patch. i mean, this is- ridiculous. well, paul, what do you think many of my viewers are saying? but where do people go when they come here if we do increase migration numbers, where do people go? because right now we've got significant housing shortages . and as you housing shortages. and as you know, the nhs is in a total state. but the nhs is in a total state. but the nhs is in a total state. but the nhs is in a total state. but the nhs badly needs ettttet— state. but the nhs badly needs more skilled .— state. but the nhs badly needs more skilled . and— but the nhs badly needs more skilled . and you know, and more skilled. and you know, and ateo— more skilled. and you know, and ateo we— more skilled. and you know, and ateo we need— more skilled. and you know, and also we need in— more skilled. and you know, and also we need in the— more skilled. and you know, and also we need in the social care eeetor— also we need in the social care eeetor not— also we need in the social care eeetor not eo— also we need in the social care sector, not so clearly skilled, tut— sector, not so clearly skilled, tut we— sector, not so clearly skilled, tut we need— sector, not so clearly skilled, but we need immigrant. sector, not so clearly skilled, but we need immigrant . we you but we need immigrant. we you know,— but we need immigrant. we you know we— but we need immigrant. we you know we have— but we need immigrant. we you know, we have got— but we need immigrant. we you know, we have got to build, you know,— know, we have got to build, you know, even this— know, we have got to build, you know, even this government are aeeepttng— know, even this government are aeeepttng or— know, even this government are accepting or accepting the level of immigration— accepting or accepting the level of immigration which bears no retatton— of immigration which bears no retatton to— of immigration which bears no relation to the— of immigration which bears no relation to the tens of thousands—

relation to the tens of thousands that was being you know,— thousands that was being you know that— thousands that was being you know, that would be absolutely tnpoeettte— know, that would be absolutely impossible. this— know, that would be absolutely impossible. this is just another tegaew— impossible. this is just another tegaew ot— impossible. this is just another tegaew ot the— impossible. this is just another legacy of the brexit disaster . legacy of the brexit disaster. ah.— legacy of the brexit disaster. oh sueanna— legacy of the brexit disaster. oh, susanna, is— legacy of the brexit disaster. oh, susanna, is this- legacy of the brexit disaster. oh, susanna, is this the- legacy of the brexit disaster. oh, susanna, is this the brexit disaster? let me go back to what hawt— disaster? let me go back to what taut wae— disaster? let me go back to what rant eawtng— disaster? let me go back to what paul was saying first— 3 ”7’ let me go back to what paul was saying first about neettng— paul was saying first about needing more— paul was saying first about needing more immigrants. yeah wett— needing more immigrants. yeah wett eertatntw— needing more immigrants. yeah well, certainly the _ needing more immigrants. yeah well, certainly the nhs eertatntw— well, certainly the nhs certainly needs more staff. i thtnt— certainly needs more staff. i thtnt-te— certainly needs more staff. i think-be much- certainly needs more staff. i think-be much if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained-be much if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up be much if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up itse much if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up its own ich if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up its own people if certainly needs more staff. i thtrained up its own people . if it trained up its own people. there— it trained up its own people. there-ot— it trained up its own people. there of thousands of there are tens of thousands of peopte— there are tens of thousands of peopte-to— there are tens of thousands of people -to become- there are tens of thousands of people to become nurses people want to become nurses ewerw— people want to become nurses ewerw wear— people want to become nurses every year-they're- every year and they're turned town.— every year and they're turned town-tone— every year and they're turned down.-come on,- every year and they're turned down. come on, care home nhs down. but come on, care home nhs . theee— down. but come on, care home nhs . theee are— down. but come on, care home nhs . theee not— down. but come on, care home nhs . these are not the— down. but come on, care home nhs . these are not the kind of ntgrante— . these are not the kind of ntgrante we— . these are not the kind of migrants we want. i thought it gutte— migrants we want. i thought it was quite interesting that the peopte— was quite interesting that the peopte that— was quite interesting that the people that are— was quite interesting that the people that are going to be towed— people that are going to be housed .this_ people that are going to be housed .this-are. people that are going to be housed this are all housed in this barge are all young,— housed in this barge are all youngr young— housed in this barge are all young, young, men. they young, young, single men. they are young, young, single men. they not— young, young, single men. they are not genuine— young, young, single men. they are not genuine asylum seekers where— are not genuine asylum seekers where thew-re — are not genuine asylum seekers where they're from, people trwtng — where they're from, people trwtng tt— where they're from, people trwtng tt tron.— where they're from, people trying it from. they are not. we know— trying it from. they are not. we know tor— trying it from. they are not. we know tor-that— trying it from. they are not. we know for-that a- trying it from. they are not. we know for-that a lot- trying it from. they are not. we know for that a lot of know for a fact that a lot of then — know for a fact that a lot of them are criminals. we ateotwtetw— them are criminals. we absolutely that them are criminals. we absolutely-that past absolutely know that from past epenene — absolutely know that from past experience and— absolutely know that from past experience and past criminal eente— experience and past criminal ewente-hawe— experience and past criminal events have happened , from events that have happened, from peopte—aeroee- events that have happened, from people—across on. people who've come across on a eweeptng— people who've come across on a sweeping generalisation. well, hang—anwi sweeping generalisation. well,i hang—anw rt hang on, they don't have any id r-they_ hang on, they don't have any id r-thev weent- , they if they weren't criminals, _ , they if they weren't criminals, wouldn't , they if they weren't- criminals,-wouldn't be criminals, they wouldn't be eheettng — criminals, they wouldn't be checking overboard criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey overboard criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey got overboard criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey got here, rboard criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey got here, werej criminals, they wouldn't be checkiithey got here, were they? before they got here, were they? they— before they got here, were they? thew—that - before they got here, were they? thew—that ot- before they got here, were they? they kind of people they are not the kind of people that— they are not the kind of people that r— they are not the kind of people that r want— they are not the kind of people that i want looking after my ettertw— that i want looking after my elderly relatives— that i want looking after my elderly relatives in a care home.— elderly relatives in a care hone—to-

home. you've got to look. vow-we— home. you've got to look. vow-we got— home. you've got to look. won-we got to— home. you've got to look. you've got to look- home. you've got to look. you've got to look at- home. you've got to look. you've got to look at every every application properly. that's sweeping general that's such a sweeping general ization that they're all criminals . i ization that they're all criminals. i mean, ization that they're all criminals . i mean, that ization that they're all criminals. i mean, that is ization that they're all criminals . i mean, that is that criminals. i mean, that is that really is i didn't say were really is i didn't say they were all did say all criminals, but i did say that most of them chucked their id which rather id overboard, which rather suggests criminal intent. but suzanne, someone suggests criminal intent. but suzanne,.someone that- suggests criminal intent. but. suzanne,.someone thatiknow suzanne, as someone that i know werw— suzanne, as someone that i know was very passionate— suzanne, as someone that i know was very passionate about, tent,— was very passionate about, tent, to— was very passionate about, brexit, do you— was very passionate about, brexit, do you put this down to tente— brexit, do you put this down to brexit?- brexit's_ brexit, do you put this down to brexit? brexit's fault? brexit? is it brexit's fault? rte— brexit? is it brexit's fault? it's absolutely— brexit? is it brexit's fault? it's absolutely brexit? is it brexit's fault?- it's absolutely-i mean, it's absolutely not. i mean, the— it's absolutely not. i mean, this problem before brexit this problem was before brexit happened, and it's going to continue until after brexit. it's they don't care about whether we're in the european union not. they just care union or not. they just care about can about whether or not they can get i do find it deeply get in. and i do find it deeply disappointing, suspect you disappointing, as i suspect you do too, as well, that do too, darren, as well, that the governments, the successive governments, had tory, governments, we've had all tory, but prime ministers but successive prime ministers and governments we've had since that 2016 vote have not really taken advantage or used the opportunity on rwanda , for opportunity on rwanda, for example, we had the pathetic sight last sunday of the home secretary who didn't even clearly didn't even know about the incident in which 12

protesters, migrant , you know, protesters, migrant, you know, protesters, migrant, you know, protesters were shot dead in rwanda and, you know, and we also have the fact that there is also have the fact that there is a report from the from the home office's own research grouping that says that rwanda is not it's not a safe country. okay. but paul, what— it's not a safe country. okay. but paul, what do— it's not a safe country. okay. but paul, what do you- e ttrir. okay. but paul, what do you say to teeaee— but paul, what do you say to because actually— but paul, what do you say to because actually , suzanne's view because actually, suzanne's view is because actually, suzanne's view he the— because actually, suzanne's view he the wew— because actually, suzanne's view he the ot— because actually, suzanne's view is the view of and— because actually, suzanne's view is the view of and i'm sure you wont— is the view of and i'm sure you wowtt aeeept— is the view of and i'm sure you would accept this— is the view of and i'm sure you would accept this ,_ is the view of and i'm sure you would accept this , the view of would accept this, the view of the— would accept this, the view of the natorttw— would accept this, the view of the majority out— would accept this, the view of the majority out there of tntteh— the majority out there of british people, poll after poll ehow— british people, poll after poll ehow we— british people, poll after poll show us that— british people, poll after poll show us that actually people want— show us that actually people want tewer— show us that actually people want fewer migrants, not more. so want fewer migrants, not more. so to— want fewer migrants, not more. so to wow— want fewer migrants, not more. so do you think— want fewer migrants, not more. so do you think that actually tut— so do you think that actually tut thew— so do you think that actually tnt thew ateo— so do you think that actually but they also want they also want— but they also want they also want more nurses. "cl; want more nurses. they also want more people. yes, but we need more people. yes, but we need more people. yes, but we need more people cleaning the streets . doctors and nurses aren't eontng— . doctors and nurses aren't eontng owe— . doctors and nurses aren't eontng tn— doctors and nurses aren't coming over in dinghies, though, are coming over in dinghies, though, ae-sorne— coming over in dinghies, though, are-some some. - coming over in dinghies, though,i are-some some. some are they? no. some some. some do. are they? no. some some. some do tor— are they? no. some some. some do tor exampte— are they? no. some some. some do. for example, at— are they? no. some some. some do. for example, at the moment, the government's policy is such that if a desperate afghan afghan who worked for the uk forces , you know, in afghan mark forces, you know, in afghan mark steyn but who missed out on getting over here when the

airlift happened, then if they arrived on a dinghy because there's no other safe way for them to get here, that's not a safe way to get here, but it's one way of getting here. then under the current policy , they under the current policy, they would there would be deport id. i mean, that is nonsense. and suzanne , is brexit not complete suzanne, is brexit not complete it until we leave the echr ? is it until we leave the echr? is that the solution to all of theee— that the solution to all of these issues? - that the solution to all of these issues? �*vw'tige e these issues? well, it's certainly one solution, but ultimately for me, darren, what it comes down to is government at will. we can leave any organised nation we like. if the government in power doesn't have the will to tackle this problem. and afraid i think that's and i'm afraid i think that's what we've seen from the conservative , then it's conservative party, then it's not to stop. all right. not going to stop. all right. it's not going to stop. all right. rte—that- not going to stop. all right. rte—that a- not going to stop. all right. it's—that a recent| it's interesting that a recent pott— it's interesting that a recent port—wtt- it's interesting that a recent. port—wttt-wow poll showed now will bring you tach— poll showed now will bring you tact-prontee- poll showed now will bring you tact-prontee .- poll showed now will bring you back,-promise . i- back, paul. i promise. i promise. now, coming up, folks, are heading to a uk or are you heading to a uk beach or watery what's in watery beauty spot? what's in the water, though? that's the problem because the government has announced going to be has announced it's going to be banning wipes. that banning wet wipes. will that actually turn the tide of pollution ? did you what pollution? did you see what i did there before that ? more

did there before that? more debate panel will be debate with the panel will be back.

in three. welcome back. i'm still darren grimes and i'm still in for laurence fox. we'll continue with the panel . suzanne evans, with the panel. suzanne evans, political commentator on my right, and paul connew, a media commentator and former editor on my left. now let's kick off, first of all, with that labour poster now we're going to show it on screen there , and we'll it on screen there, and we'll all be able to discuss it. it says, do you think adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should go to prison and then it argues that rishi sunak doesn't . we've just got it on doesn't. we've just got it on screen for my radio listeners and viewers , obviously on telly and viewers, obviously on telly now. it says under the tories, 4500 adults convicted of

sexually assaulting children under 16 served no prison time . under 16 served no prison time. labour will lock up dangerous child abusers. i mean, paul, what did you make of this poster? do you think this is clever campaigning? i'm a poster? do you think this is clever campaigning ? i'm a labour clever campaigning? i'm a labour enpportet— clever campaigning? i'm a labour ggppoaa, tut— clever campaigning? i'm a labour enpponer, tut r— clever campaigning? i'm a labour supporter, but i thought- clever campaigning? i'm a labour supporter, but i thought it- , , g3 3g? i'm a labour supporter, but i thought it was crass and badly— supporter, but i thought it was crass and badly judged, and i'm ewprteet— crass and badly judged, and i'm surprised that— crass and badly judged, and i'm surprised that keir— crass and badly judged, and i'm surprised that keir starmer haen-t— surprised that keir starmer haen-t wet— surprised that keir starmer hasn't yet last.— surprised that keir starmer hasn't yet last. i looked anwwaw— hasn't yet last. i looked anyway, hadn't actually disowned it . anyway, hadn't actually disowned tt . the— anyway, hadn't actually disowned tt . the potnt— anyway, hadn't actually disowned it . the point the— anyway, hadn't actually disowned it . the point the points there it. the point the points there the— it. the point the points there are, the stats— it. the point the points there are, the stats are— it. the point the points there are, the stats are right and are eeantatoue— are, the stats are right and are eeantatowe .— are, the stats are right and are scandalous . yes,— are, the stats are right and are scandalous . yes, but to target scandalous. yes, but to target it scandalous. yes, but to target tt on— scandalous. yes, but to target tt on tteht — scandalous. yes, but to target it on rishi sunak— scandalous. yes, but to target it on rishi sunak personally was a ttwnten— it on rishi sunak personally was a blunder. but— it on rishi sunak personally was a blunder. but it's— it on rishi sunak personally was a blunder. but it's but it's eteartw— a blunder. but it's but it's eteartw pan— a blunder. but it's but it's clearly part of— a blunder. but it's but it's clearly part of what's going to be clearly part of what's going to te a— clearly part of what's going to te a tew— clearly part of what's going to te a tew eee— clearly part of what's going to be a key issue in— clearly part of what's going to be a key issue in the local eteettone— be a key issue in the local elections. and _ be a key issue in the local elections. and the next general eteetton— elections. and the next general eteetton te— elections. and the next general election is going— elections. and the next general election is going to be law and oretn— election is going to be law and oretr. ant— election is going to be law and oretr. ant at— election is going to be law and order. and at the— election is going to be law and order. and at the moment, enrprtetngtw— order. and at the moment, ewprtetngtw .— order. and at the moment, surprisingly , you think surprisingly, you might think tatow— surprisingly, you might think labour have— surprisingly, you might think labour have a— surprisingly, you might think labour have a clear lead on on when— labour have a clear lead on on when panw— labour have a clear lead on on when panw the— labour have a clear lead on on which party the public , which party the public, aeeorttng— which party the public, according to- which party the public, according to the polls and which party— according to the polls and which panw wtt— according to the polls and which panw wttt te— according to the polls and which party will be better equipped to none— party will be better equipped to taette anne— party will be better equipped to tackle crime and— party will be better equipped to tackle crime and what's interesting— tackle crime and what's interesting too, you know , both interesting too, you know, both ettee— interesting too, you know, both ettee are— interesting too, you know, both sides are throwing, if you like, tht— sides are throwing, if you like, ttn at— sides are throwing, if you like, ttn at each—

sides are throwing, if you like, dirt at each other— sides are throwing, if you like, dirt at each other here. in gag,— dirt at each other here. in pga, wewe— dirt at each other here. in fact, we've had- dirt at each other here. in fact, we've had we've had keir starner— fact, we've had we've had keir starner .— fact, we've had we've had keir starmer , brand— fact, we've had we've had keir starmer , brand ,_ fact, we've had we've had keir starmer , brand , sorry, being starmer, brand, sorry, being handed— starmer, brand, sorry, being trantet ae— starmer, brand, sorry, being branded as a— starmer, brand, sorry, being branded as a friend of the of the— branded as a friend of the of the ot— branded as a friend of the of the ot the— branded as a friend of the of the of the people smugglers in tarttanent— the of the people smugglers in tarttanent tw— the of the people smugglers in parliament by rishi sunak which when— parliament by rishi sunak which when wae— parliament by rishi sunak which which was grossly— parliament by rishi sunak which which was grossly unfair to you ant— which was grossly unfair to you ant wou— which was grossly unfair to you ant won know— which was grossly unfair to you and you know and— which was grossly unfair to you and you know and we and we also ant— and you know and we and we also ant we— and you know and we and we also ant we ateo— and you know and we and we also ant we ateo hawe— and you know and we and we also and we also have figures, ttgwee— and we also have figures, figures that— and we also have figures, figures that that show that the that— figures that that show that the that the — figures that that show that the that the public— figures that that show that the that the public are are torn are torn— that the public are are torn are torn on— that the public are are torn are torn on the— that the public are are torn are torn on this issue.— that the public are are torn are torn on this issue. but i was the— torn on this issue. but i was the etttor— torn on this issue. but i was the editor who _ torn on this issue. but i was the editor who was legally thwanet— the editor who was legally thwarted from _ the editor who was legally thwarted from exposing jemmy sawtte— thwarted from exposing jemmy sawtte tn— thwarted from exposing jemmy savile in 1994.— thwarted from exposing jemmy savile in 1994. and the trouble the trowtte— savile in 1994. and the trouble the trouble is— savile in 1994. and the trouble the trouble is the— savile in 1994. and the trouble the trouble is the police have taken— the trouble is the police have never taken this— the trouble is the police have never taken this seriously enough.— never taken this seriously enough. yeah.— never taken this seriously enough. yeah. and but the fact is enough. yeah. and but the fact he that— enough. yeah. and but the fact he that that— enough. yeah. and but the fact is that that where— enough. yeah. and but the fact is that that where labour ntetate— is that that where labour ntetate tn— is that that where labour mistake in targeting sunak is it's mistake in targeting sunak is he not— mistake in targeting sunak is he not the— mistake in targeting sunak is it's not the prime minister or the— it's not the prime minister or even the government who decide the eenteneee— even the government who decide the sentences for— even the government who decide the sentences for child sex atuee— the sentences for child sex abuse abusers— the sentences for child sex abuse abusers .— the sentences for child sex abuse abusers. it is it is the phage— abuse abusers. it is it is the tntgee or— abuse abusers. it is it is the judges or magistrates court, tepenttng— judges or magistrates court,

tepenttng on— judges or magistrates court, depending on on where the where thew— depending on on where the where thew thet— depending on on where the where thew trtet eawtng— depending on on where the where they tried saying that it's an eee— they tried saying that it's an ot— they tried saying that it's an issue of fairness— they tried saying that it's an issue of fairness really isn't he — issue of fairness really isn't he not— issue of fairness really isn't it? but suzanne,- issue of fairness really isn't it? but suzanne, i- issue of fairness really isn't it? e 3 3 issue of fairness really isn't- it? but suzanne, i mean , do you it? but suzanne, i mean, do you remember when boris johnson had said to sir keir starmer, you were director of public prosecutions, you were soft on you know, you mentioned jemmy savile, and that was crushed to jemmy savile yeah, exactly. but has there been the same level of condemnation, think, for condemnation, do you think, for this poster, this campaign and as there was when boris johnson came out and said, well, you were on jemmy savile? were soft on jemmy savile? i think there has been quite i was quite this morning quite heartened this morning actually, quite lot actually, to see quite a lot of senior commentators actually, to see quite a lot of senior talkingommentators actually, to see quite a lot of senior talking aboutntators actually, to see quite a lot of senior talking about thistrs actually, to see quite a lot of senior talking about this . exactly talking about this. there almost universal there was almost universal eroee—pahw— there was almost universal cross—party, not— there was almost universal cross—party, not politicians, though—ot- cross—party, not politicians, though-of those,i though not a lot of those, atthough— though not a lot of those, although powell was on the although lucy powell was on the meta— although lucy powell was on the meta aoun— although lucy powell was on the media around the— although lucy powell was on the media around the lucy powell eon— media around the lucy powell eonltuetet— media around the lucy powell sort-ducked and— media around the lucy powell sort ducked and dived and sort of ducked and dived and than-t— sort of ducked and dived and. didn't—condemn sort of ducked and dived and. dicdidn't_condemn sort of ducked and dived and dicdidn't want condemn sort of ducked and dived and dicdidn't want to condemn sort of ducked and dived and dicdidn't want to condoneiemn sort of ducked and dived and dicdidn't want to condone itnn it, didn't want to condone it etther— it, didn't want to condone it etther . — it, didn't want to condone it etther. hut— it, didn't want to condone it either. but my— it, didn't want to condone it either. but my old- it, didn't want to condone it either. tit: ”c33 it, didn't want to condone it- either . but my old friend kevin either. but my old friend kevin maguire, the lead political man on the daily mirror, has come out called it. yeah, totally out and called it. yeah, totally unacceptable . it's, you know, unacceptable. it's, you know, it's unacceptable. it's, you know, he the— unacceptable. it's, you know, it's the politics— unacceptable. it's, you know, it's the politics of— unacceptable. it's, you know, it's the politics of the- e. 33 it's, you know, it's the politics of the gutter. it it's the politics of the gutter. tt reattw— it's the politics of the gutter. tt reattw te— it's the politics of the gutter. it really is under— it's the politics of the gutter. it really is under the tories , it really is under the tories, the— it really is under the tories, the atwen— it really is under the tories, the advert says,— it really is under the tories, the advert says, well, that's preeunattw—

the advert says, well, that's presumably since 2010. well, that-e— presumably since 2010. well, that-e not— presumably since 2010. well, that's not just— presumably since 2010. well, that's not just before sunak teae— that's not just before sunak teae tn,— that's not just before sunak became pm, it's— that's not just before sunak became pm, it's before he even teae— became pm, it's before he even teae an ath— became pm, it's before he even became an mp. yes. so to say that— became an mp. yes. so to say that he— became an mp. yes. so to say that he wae— became an mp. yes. so to say that he was instrumental is that is that he was instrumental is that he . t— that he was instrumental is that is nonsense . i think paul is is nonsense. i think paul is ateotutetw— is nonsense. i think paul is absolutely right. there's ateotutetw— absolutely right. there's absolutely no- absolutely right. there's absolutely no doubt it was tutgee— absolutely no doubt it was tutgee ant— absolutely no doubt it was judges and magistrates making theee— judges and magistrates making these decisions— judges and magistrates making these decisions and they almost eertatntw— these decisions and they almost certainly wouldn't— these decisions and they almost certainly wouldn't been certainly wouldn't have been eent—a-onei certainly wouldn't have been. eent—a-one ot sent to jail under a and one of the— sent to jail under a and one of the reaeone— sent to jail under a and one of the reasons, course, for the reasons, of course, for then— the reasons, of course, for then-tn- the reasons, of course, for thetr-tn pan- the reasons, of course, for their-in part is. the reasons, of course, for. their-in part is the their decisions in part is the tatt— their decisions in part is the taet that— their decisions in part is the fact that our— their decisions in part is the fact that our prison system is in fact that our prison system is tn euth— fact that our prison system is tn eueh a— fact that our prison system is in such a mess. _ fact that our prison system is in such a mess. /ti:r. e3tirti; in such a mess. you know, there aren't the places in prison to pull them. well, i mean, we're eurrenttw— pull them. well, i mean, we're currently putting— pull them. well, i mean, we're currently putting now- well, i mean, we're currently putting now apparently gotng— currently putting now apparently gotng to— currently putting now apparently we're going to put migrants into torrner— we're going to put migrants into former prisons. _ we're going to put migrants into former prisons. i— we're going to put migrants into former prisons. 3 we're going to put migrants into former prisons. i mean, what a mess . i mean, you just can't mess. i mean, you just can't win. but, you know, the win. but, you know, when the conservatives did become elected to government in 2010, i remember one of the first things that david cameron did , he was that david cameron did, he was stood up and he said, i'm going to end to punch. and to put an end to punch. and judy, i thought, judy, politics. and i thought, hurray. happen. hurray. well, it didn't happen. it's and worse it's just got worse. and worse and worse. and the atmosphere in politics febrile , partly politics is febrile, partly boosted social, by social boosted by social, by social media, which is in fact which is which the level of which has turned the level of abuse. and which has turned the level of abuse . and hate to be said. abuse. and hate to be said.

ten-t— abuse. and hate to be said. ten-t there— abuse. and hate to be said. isn't there about twitter ruining political debate? ruining the political debate? it's twitter. it's not just twitter. i remember- it's not just twitter. i remember my it's not just twitter. i- remember-my daughter it's not just twitter. i— remember-my daughter was remember when my daughter was atout— remember when my daughter was atout three— remember when my daughter was about three years— remember when my daughter was about three years old we about three years old and we were listening— about three years old and we were listening to— about three years old and we were listening to yesterday in parttanent— were listening to yesterday in parliament on— were listening to yesterday in parliament on radio four and she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what on radio four and she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what isi radio four and she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what is this io four and she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what is this mummy?d she were listening to yesterday in parlia'what is this mummy? andz said, what is this mummy? and i eat— said, what is this mummy? and i said,-parliament.- said, what is this mummy? and i said, parliament. she said, oh, it's parliament. she eart— said, oh, it's parliament. she eatt, rte— said, oh, it's parliament. she said, it's worse— said, oh, it's parliament. she said, it's worse than the ptawgrount— said, it's worse than the ptawgrount .— said, it's worse than the playground . and that's out of playground. and that's out of the mouthe— playground. and that's out of the mouths of— playground. and that's out of the mouths of yeah well, the mouths of babes. yeah well, tnteet. — the mouths of babes. yeah well, indeed. imean,_ the mouths of babes. yeah well, indeed. 3g indeed. i mean, speaking of twitter man used to be twitter, a man that used to be quite on it is president quite big on it is president former donald j quite big on it is president former donaldj . former president donald j. trump. to play this clip trump. i want to play this clip of trump and then i'm going to go to paul. who knows mr. trump and i never thought anything like this could happen in america. inever thought like this could happen in america. i never thought it count— america. i never thought it eoutt happen.— america. i never thought it could happen. the- ' er? i never thought it could happen. the only crime that— could happen. the only crime that t— could happen. the only crime that t have— could happen. the only crime that i have committed is to tearteeetw— that i have committed is to fearlessly defend our nation tron— fearlessly defend our nation tron thoee— fearlessly defend our nation from those who— fearlessly defend our nation from those who seek to destroy it. from those who seek to destroy tt. thew— from those who seek to destroy it. they attacked— from those who seek to destroy it. they attacked me with an onetaught— it. they attacked me with an onetaught ot— it. they attacked me with an onslaught of fraudulent investigations as russia, ttueeta— investigations as russia, russia, russia- investigations as russia, russia, russia , ukraine, russia, russia, ukraine, whethe— russia, russia, ukraine, ukraine, ukraine. impeachment hoax— ukraine, ukraine. impeachment hoax hunter— ukraine, ukraine. impeachment hoax number one.— ukraine, ukraine. impeachment hoax number one. an impeachment hoax. — hoax number one. an impeachment hoax. hunter— hoax number one. an impeachment hoax. number two,— hoax number one. an impeachment hoax. number two, the illegal ant— hoax. number two, the illegal

and unconstrained national raid on atar— and unconstrained national raid on that a— and unconstrained national raid on that a tago— and unconstrained national raid on mar a lago right here now, taut— on mar a lago right here now, taut .— on mar a lago right here now, taut , ae— on mar a lago right here now, taut , ae t— on mar a lago right here now, paul, as i mentioned, they tell us paul, as i mentioned, they tell ue atout— paul, as i mentioned, they tell ue atout wour— paul, as i mentioned, they tell us about your background with treettent— us about your background with president trump— us about your background with president trump . lt�*v�*i'ill us about your background with president trump . whig: president trump. well, i knew nth— president trump. well, i knew him pretty well back back long before he entered politics when he was a controversial a media courting young businessman . and courting young businessman. and then, of course, later on became became a tv superstar . then, of course, later on became became a tv superstar. but he was never fit to be president . was never fit to be president. in fact, if somebody had told me at that stage that he's going to become president of united states, sent out states, i would have sent out for white coats have for men in white coats to have come and taken away. but come and taken them away. but do you think got a come and taken them away. but do you think-got a point- come and taken them away. but do you think-got a point on- you think he's got a point on the— you think he's got a point on thte-a— you think he's got a point on this-a witch- this being a witch hunt, a potttteat— this being a witch hunt, a political witch _ this being a witch hunt, a political witch led political witch hunt led by tenoerate— political witch hunt led by democrats ? _ political witch hunt led by democrats ? 3 3 e e democrats? i don't see it as a political witch but do political witch hunt. but i do think a great pity that the think it's a great pity that the first court case involving him is on the weakest element. the stormy daniels and karen mcdougal and the playboy payoff . playboy playmate payoff aspect

. that is the weakest case. the really important ones, which really important ones, which really should matter are the are the inciting the insurrection on at capitol hill and perhaps even more equally crucial , all at capitol hill and perhaps even more equally crucial, all trying to meddle in the georgia election result that that is a is the work of a deluded dangerous autocrat. i mean, suzanne , a lot of my viewers suzanne, a lot of my viewers would be saying, oh, come on, president trump didn't try to incite that riot that actually , incite that riot that actually, you know, on so many issues, the russia collusion lines that were proven to be demonstrably false. i mean, you and i were accused of i mean, you and i were accused ot tetng— i mean, you and i were accused ot tetng ot— i mean, you and i were accused of being of course,— i mean, you and i were accused of being of course, we've all teen— of being of course, we've all teen tn— of being of course, we've all been in russia— of being of course, we've all been in russia know in the vote teawe— been in russia know in the vote teawe eanpatgn— been in russia know in the vote leave campaign . _ been in russia know in the vote leave campaign . e sag" leave campaign. it was utter nonsense. you know, the ultimate albie. there been a albie. there has been a concerted effort against this man. so a lot of my viewers are saying, hang on a minute, this is a stitch up. yeah, it is. it is a stitch up. yeah, it is. it is a stitch up. yeah, it is. it is a political witch hunt. i don't agree with paul on that.

thew-re— don't agree with paul on that. thew-re tuet— don't agree with paul on that. they're just trying to do anwthtng— they're just trying to do anything they can to stop him runntng— anything they can to stop him runntng tor— anything they can to stop him running for president. at running for president. and at the-election,— running for president. and at the election, ironically , the next election, ironically, though—htnl the next election, ironically,- though,_him, they're though, about about him, they're nattng—tt-e- making it personal. it's playing,— making it personal. it's playing, playing the man, not the tatt— playing, playing the man, not the ball.-making- playing, playing the man, not the ball. making it the ball. they're making it atout— the ball. they're making it about-rather- the ball. they're making it about rather joe about him rather than joe ttten-e— about him rather than joe biden's myriad economic, social ant— biden's myriad economic, social and geopolitical— biden's myriad economic, social and geopolitical failures. yeah i and geopolitical failures. yeah t wae— and geopolitical failures. yeah t unten— and geopolitical failures. yeah i was under trump. 3 ti i was under trump. ironically, though , to this prosecution , at though, to this prosecution, at least this first one will probably clinch him. the republican nomination . but republican nomination. but hopefully i think it'll it'll cost the republicans the next presidential election. i mean, suzanne, are you— i mean, suzanne, are you hoping that aetuattw— suzanne, are you hoping that aetuattw tt-e— suzanne, are you hoping that actually it's ron— suzanne, are you hoping that actually it's ron desantis teeauee— actually it's ron desantis teeauee wou— actually it's ron desantis because you quite like him, ton-t— because you quite like him, ton-t wow— because you quite like him, ton-t you? t— because you quite like him, don't you? i do,— because you quite like him, don't you? i do, yeah . don't you? i do, yeah. i mean, you— don't you? i do, yeah. i mean, wou know.— don't you? i do, yeah. i mean, wou know. t— don't you? i do, yeah. i mean, you know, i was i really quite liked what trump said in that clip that you just played, that you you know, that you just played, you know, that he to fearlessly protect he wants to fearlessly protect our nation from those who seek to and afraid to destroy it. and i'm afraid there left wing there is a strong left wing element in american society as there is here, that basically wants to rip up the. it's also a very strong wing one. very strong right wing one. yeah, trump trump cult

yeah, but trump trump is a cult , a outt— yeah, but trump trump is a cult , a cut heater— yeah, but trump trump is a cult , a cult leader with— yeah, but trump trump is a cult , a cult leader with a huge cult tottowtng— , a cult leader with a huge cult. following—dangerous. following. and that's dangerous. it's following. and that's dangerous. tt-e—tottowtng. - following. and that's dangerous. it's-following. now- it's a very big following. now folks, thank you, of course, to suzanne you suzanne evans. and paul, you don't forget you can stay don't forget that you can stay with gb news. all easter weekend on dab+ turn on your radios, keep yourself up to date and informed on the go. now, coming up, i'm going to be talking about those waterways and wet white walls. and later on, it's going be mark dolan tonight. going to be mark dolan tonight. so you're going to stay so you're going to want to stay right and not miss right there and not miss a single minute .

welcome back. i'm still darren grimes. and you've had a lot to say about tonight's show. i'm delighted to say. here's a few of your comments. richard has wrote in. and he said, whoever is orchestra writing these tweets is obviously not very bright. he's talking about

laboun bright. he's talking about labour. of course, they will only help shine a light on labour as the nasty party in the eyes of the public. keith he wrote in and he said, surely if these people have no identification and of course this is about migrants, illegal migrants , they should be sent migrants, they should be sent in. oh, it was maurice, not keith. and he said they should be sent back , as we don't know be sent back, as we don't know who they are . and that's what i who they are. and that's what i was saying to ivan sampson at the start of the show. they're right. it's an issue of national security , if ask me. and security, if you ask me. and maurice is next. maurice says, i think the king will make a real charlie of himself if he goes much further with his apologies over historic slavery , he must over historic slavery, he must allow common sense to reign. and i think that's right. i think actually the king is actually it's such an own goal here to actually do this, because ultimately it's going to open up one hell of a can of worms when

let's not forget, folks, this nafion let's not forget, folks, this nation spent a hell of a lot of its gdp and naval lives in actually abolishing the slave trade around the globe. now, another viewer says , my daughter another viewer says, my daughter is a social worker. this morning, she's been called to dover to assess whether 20 people who have arrived on small boats are children , as they boats are children, as they claim already these people are trying to bend our rules because unaccompanied children , minors unaccompanied children, minors who come to the uk illegally , who come to the uk illegally, she won't be removed to a safe third country until adulthood except in limited circum stances. we are a joke and i agree with that completely. i think we're a soft touch. as i said to ivan again, france rejects way more asylum claims than we do . why are we the mugs than we do. why are we the mugs of europe? lisa says prisons should be hell, not care homes. bnng should be hell, not care homes. bring back capital punishment. well, lisa, i think there are a fair few people, including lee anderson of this parish, who do believe in that view as well.

and folks, thank you very much. as ever, for getting in touch. your views are much more important, important than mine. now the gloom of winter is passing , and now the gloom of winter is passing, and for a change, we've had glorious weekend of weather for this bank holiday. so if you're having a great british break to the coast, no rest for the wicked here. or even if you plan on taking the family to your local beauty spot. are you concerned about what's going to be in the water to greet you? we used to be proud of our beaches, didn't we? so what's gone on? well, the environment minister , well, the environment minister, therese coffey has pledged to end the wasteful wet wipe epidemic blocking our sewers and blighting the countryside side. is that enough to turn the tide and take back our glorious waterways ? well, joining me to waterways? well, joining me to discuss is sean sian sutherland, rather from a plastic planet . rather from a plastic planet. sean, thank you very much for your time today. let me know why are these wet wipes such a big

problem? because many of my viewers might be using these things and not think they're an issue. they things and not think they're an issue . they seem so innocuous , issue. they seem so innocuous, ton-t— issue. they seem so innocuous, ton-t thewe— issue. they seem so innocuous, ton-t thewe ant— issue. they seem so innocuous, don't they? and i— they seem so innocuous, don't they? and i don't know. we protattw— don't they? and i don't know. we can probably not— don't they? and i don't know. we can probably not imagine life wtthout— can probably not imagine life wtthout the— can probably not imagine life without the wet— can probably not imagine life without the wet wipe. 11 billion wet wtpee. — without the wet wipe. 11 billion wet wipes. we're— without the wet wipe. 11 billion wet wipes. we're using in the uk ewerw— wet wipes. we're using in the uk ewerw etngte— wet wipes. we're using in the uk ewerw etngte wear. — wet wipes. we're using in the uk every single year. and they're eauetng— every single year. and they're eauetng eeto— every single year. and they're causing 93% of— every single year. and they're causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers . so— causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers . so this— causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers . so this news causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers. so this news is causing 93% of the blockages in our sewers . so this news is from our sewers. so this news is from the— our sewers. so this news is from the goeent— our sewers. so this news is from the government. it's not new news. we've been— the government. it's not new news. we've been talking about the— news. we've been talking about the. rte-we— news. we've been talking about this. we've been— news. we've been talking about this. we've been consulting on the— this. we've been consulting on thte tor— this. we've been consulting on thte tor nanw— this. we've been consulting on this for many years now . back this. we've been consulting on this for many years now. back in zen,— this for many years now. back in zozt, eoneutt— this for many years now. back in 2021, consult from _ this for many years now. back in 2021, consult from the government,- 2021, consult from the government, then 96% of the reepontere— government, then 96% of the responders backed a ban on wtpee.— responders backed a ban on wtpee. ant— responders backed a ban on wtpee. ant wet— responders backed a ban on wipes. and yet here we are. we're— wipes. and yet here we are. were etttt— wipes. and yet here we are. we're still talking about it. ant— we're still talking about it. ant no— we're still talking about it. and no action— we're still talking about it. and no action has been taken. newt— and no action has been taken. how. seah— and no action has been taken. how. sean. ar— and no action has been taken. now, sean, are you— and no action has been taken. now, sean, are you of- and no action has been taken. now, sean, are you of the- and no action has been taken. now, sean, are you of the view then that the government this is i assume you're very supportive of this from the government of an outright but are the an outright ban, but are the government doing enough to actually ensure that there frankly isn't a load of filth in our waterways ? it's shocking

our waterways? it's shocking what we've done to our rivers, isn't it ? i mean, if you look isn't it? i mean, if you look ant— isn't it? i mean, if you look ant wou— isn't it? i mean, if you look and you think— isn't it? i mean, if you look and you think we- e e?’ i mean, if you look and you think we take stuff from atu— and you think we take stuff from atu ant— and you think we take stuff from atu ant we— and you think we take stuff from nature and we give— and you think we take stuff from nature and we give it back as nothtng— nature and we give it back as nothtng tut— nature and we give it back as nothing but trash— nature and we give it back as nothing but trash 6 billion tonnee— nothing but trash 6 billion tonne ot— nothing but trash 6 billion tonnes of trash, we give back to the ptanet— tonnes of trash, we give back to the ptanet ewerw— tonnes of trash, we give back to the planet every single year. ant— the planet every single year. ant what— the planet every single year. ant what tt— the planet every single year. and what it comes down to, tanen— and what it comes down to, tanen te— and what it comes down to, darren, is chemicals. so a lot of darren, is chemicals. so a lot ot the— darren, is chemicals. so a lot ot the eewage— darren, is chemicals. so a lot of the sewage spillages the ptaette— of the sewage spillages the ptaette that— of the sewage spillages the plastic that we're talking about wtth— plastic that we're talking about wtth the— plastic that we're talking about wtth the wet— plastic that we're talking about with the wet wipes, things that is with the wet wipes, things that he eontng— with the wet wipes, things that he eontng ott— with the wet wipes, things that is coming off from, you know, tron— is coming off from, you know, tron the— is coming off from, you know, from the agricultural fields , from the agricultural fields, tertttteere— from the agricultural fields, fertilisers, pesticides , all of fertilisers, pesticides, all of theee— fertilisers, pesticides, all of these things— fertilisers, pesticides, all of these things are toxic chemicals. - these things are toxic chemicals. nature is pretty thaw.— chemicals. nature is pretty binary. whatever we give back to atu— binary. whatever we give back to atu tt— binary. whatever we give back to atu tt eah— binary. whatever we give back to nature, it can either— binary. whatever we give back to nature, it can either use as a toot— nature, it can either use as a toot or— nature, it can either use as a toot or a— nature, it can either use as a food or a poison— nature, it can either use as a food or a poison and the natorttw— food or a poison and the natorttw ot— food or a poison and the majority of what we are giving tatt— majority of what we are giving taet te— majority of what we are giving taet he a— majority of what we are giving back is a poison.— majority of what we are giving back is a poison. and we can see a toot— back is a poison. and we can see a toot at— back is a poison. and we can see a toot at the— back is a poison. and we can see a look at the images that you're ehowtng— a look at the images that you're ehowtng now— a look at the images that you're showing now. it's— a look at the images that you're showing now. it's shocking what what— showing now. it's shocking what what we— showing now. it's shocking what what we have— showing now. it's shocking what what we have done to nature. i sean , te— what we have done to nature. i mean, sean , is it— what we have done to nature. i mean, sean , is it is it the case mean, sean, is it is it the case that— mean, sean, is it is it the case that the— mean, sean, is it is it the case that the wou— mean, sean, is it is it the case that the you know— mean, sean, is it is it the case that the you know ,- mean, sean, is it is it the case that the you know , the that the you know, the government - that the you know, the government here, laudable aims, tautatte— government here, laudable aims, laudable aims— government here, laudable aims, laudable aims and— government here, laudable aims, laudable aims and objectives, but laudable aims and objectives, tut te— laudable aims and objectives, tut te tt— laudable aims and objectives, tut te tt the— laudable aims and objectives, but is it the government? jtir but is it the government? do you tune— but is it the government? do you ttanne the— but is it the government? do you blame the water— but is it the government? do you blame the water companies themselves as well for the

sewage leaks? i do blame the water— sewage leaks? i do blame the water companies— g , i do blame the water companies because they have— water companies because they have not— water companies because they have not put— water companies because they have not put the— water companies because they have not put the investment in when— have not put the investment in when thew— have not put the investment in when they when— have not put the investment in when they when they needed to. i thtnt— when they when they needed to. i thtnt-the— when they when they needed to. i think-the fines,— when they when they needed to. i think the fines, however think that the fines, however thew— think that the fines, however thew haw— think that the fines, however thew naw thew— think that the fines, however they may they may look like targe— they may they may look like large numbers,— they may they may look like large numbers, to be honest. ' large numbers, to be honest. a ttttte— large numbers, to be honest. a ttttte tht— large numbers, to be honest. a little bit like— large numbers, to be honest. a little bit like the— large numbers, to be honest. a little bit like the plastic- large numbers, to be honest. a little bit like the plastic tax. these things can just be considered— these things can just be considered the cost of doing tuenee — considered the cost of doing business. _the- considered the cost of doing business. the huge profits business. now, the huge profits that— business. now, the huge profits that the— business. now, the huge profits that the companies are that the water companies are nattng— that the water companies are nattng .— that the water companies are nattng , tuet— that the water companies are making , just the same as the making, just the same as the ptaette— making, just the same as the plastic companies , they can plastic companies, they can ateort— plastic companies, they can absorb-costs- plastic companies, they can absorb-costsia- plastic companies, they can absorb costs a cost plastic companies, they can. absorb-costsia cost of absorb these costs as a cost of tuenee — absorb these costs as a cost of tuenee eo— absorb these costs as a cost of business. so we— absorb these costs as a cost of business. so we need to create more laws much— business. so we need to create more laws much as— business. so we need to create more laws much as we love to the— more laws much as we love to ttwe tn— more laws much as we love to ttwe tn a— more laws much as we love to live in a libertarian society . live in a libertarian society. hottw— live in a libertarian society. hotthton-t— live in a libertarian society. motty-don't like - live in a libertarian society. motty don't like to ban motty we don't like to ban thtnge— motty we don't like to ban thtnge-the- motty we don't like to ban things-the things things, but at the moment things like things, but at the moment things the wet— things, but at the moment things the wet wtpee— things, but at the moment things like wet wipes, we— things, but at the moment things like wet wipes, we should say, why— like wet wipes, we should say, tthw-tegat— like wet wipes, we should say, tthw-tegat e- like wet wipes, we should say, why-legal ? now- like wet wipes, we should say, why legal ? now we why is it still legal? now we know— why is it still legal? now we know the— why is it still legal? now we know the damage that these eeto— know the damage that these cause. 93% of— know the damage that these cause. 93% of all blockage is ant— cause. 93% of all blockage is ant thre— cause. 93% of all blockage is ant thte te— cause. 93% of all blockage is and this is a— cause. 93% of all blockage is and this is a large reason why got— and this is a large reason why we've got sewage— and this is a large reason why we've got sewage overflows into the nette— we've got sewage overflows into the fields, into _ we've got sewage overflows into the fields, into the _ we've got sewage overflows into the fields, into the rivers , the fields, into the rivers, tnto— the fields, into the rivers, tnto our— the fields, into the rivers, into our streams and waterways . into our streams and waterways. if into our streams and waterways. tt eeto— into our streams and waterways. tt eeto ot— into our streams and waterways. tt eeto oh that— into our streams and waterways. if 93% of that is— into our streams and waterways. if 93% of that is a— into our streams and waterways. if 93% of that is a simple wet wtpe— if 93% of that is a simple wet the, t— if 93% of that is a simple wet wtpe, t thtnt— if 93% of that is a simple wet wipe, i think that— if 93% of that is a simple wet wipe, i think that we can live wtthout— wipe, i think that we can live without them,— wipe, i think that we can live without them, don't you? so we tuet— without them, don't you? so we tuet neet— without them, don't you? so we tuet need to— without them, don't you? so we just need to ban— without them, don't you? so we just need to ban them. we cannot expect— just need to ban them. we cannot expect tntuetrw— just need to ban them. we cannot expect industry to— just need to ban them. we cannot expect industry to do it alone. t hey— expect industry to do it alone. thew wont — expect industry to do it alone. they won't. even— expect industry to do it alone. they won't. ti3 , they won't. even the plastic, you face washes and you know, in face washes and things that. you

things like that. i mean, you know, quite naively, sean, you know, quite naively, sean, you know, didn't know anything about these things until the government banned them. government actually banned them. you we just we just, you know, it's we just we just, you know, don't think about these everyday goods. you're thinking when _ these everyday goods. you're thinking when you're- 3 g: you're thinking when you're thinking atout— thinking when you're thinking atout thoee, — thinking when you're thinking about those, you're thinking atout— about the little scrubby bits that— about the little scrubby bits that-hawte- about the little scrubby bits that maybe you've got about the little scrubby bits- that-maybe you've got a that you see. maybe you've got a eeruttw— that you see. maybe you've got a eeruttw hant— that you see. maybe you've got a scrubby hand wash,— that you see. maybe you've got a scrubby hand wash, know, for scrubby hand wash, you know, for gartentng— scrubby hand wash, you know, for gardening something. gardening or something. aetuattw— actually, it's much more tnetttoue— actually, it's much more insidious-thei actually, it's much more- insidious-the plastic insidious than that. the plastic that— insidious than that. the plastic that te— insidious than that. the plastic that te tn— insidious than that. the plastic that he tn att— insidious than that. the plastic that is in all the— insidious than that. the plastic that is in all the products that we that— that is in all the products that we use, that massive category , we use, that massive category, all we use, that massive category, att the— we use, that massive category, att the teautw— we use, that massive category, all the beauty products and moisturisers_ all the beauty products and moisturisers and shampoos and ewerwthtng— moisturisers and shampoos and ewerwthtng that— moisturisers and shampoos and everything that we use, even tountatton— everything that we use, even foundation that— everything that we use, even foundation that we put on our ethn— foundation that we put on our skin, .lipstick, _ foundation that we put on our skin, lipstick, they skin, even lipstick, they all eontatn— skin, even lipstick, they all contain-98%- skin, even lipstick, they all contain _98% of - skin, even lipstick, they all contain 98% of them contain plastic 98% of them eontatn— contain plastic 98% of them contain plastic— contain plastic 98% of them contain plastic .— contain plastic 98% of them contain plastic . it's the things contain plastic. it's the things that— contain plastic. it's the things that we— contain plastic. it's the things that we we— contain plastic. it's the things that we use to— contain plastic. it's the things that we use to give it a thickening.— that we use to give it a thickening. so they're called aerwtatee— thickening. so they're called acrylates products like that. thew-re— acrylates products like that. they're actually— acrylates products like that. they're actually just plastic ant— they're actually just plastic ant ot— they're actually just plastic and of course,— they're actually just plastic and of course, you put it on wour— and of course, you put it on wour tate— and of course, you put it on wour rate. we— and of course, you put it on your face. we wash our hair with it. your face. we wash our hair with t. tre— your face. we wash our hair with it. we condition— your face. we wash our hair with it. we condition our— your face. we wash our hair with it. we condition our hair, we waeh— it. we condition our hair, we waehltown— it. we condition our hair, we washldown the— it. we condition our hair, we wash down the plughole . these wash it down the plughole. these thtnge— wash it down the plughole. these things-invisible— wash it down the plughole. these things-invisible to— wash it down the plughole. these things invisible to the things are invisible to the human— things are invisible to the human ewe.— things are invisible to the human ewe-go- things are invisible to the human eye. go straight out human eye. they go straight out tnto— human eye. they go straight out tnto the— human eye. they go straight out into the waterways, into our eott. — into the waterways, into our eott. what-e— into the waterways, into our soil. what's more important than hawtng— soil. what's more important than hawtng heatthw— soil. what's more important than having healthy soil in our in trttteh— having healthy soil in our in our british fields and then, of

course, straight— our british fields and then, of course, straight out into the oceans . okay,— course, straight out into the oceans . cite/trig 3 course, straight out into the oceans . 3 ”ti: course, straight out into the- oceans . okay, sean, we're going oceans. okay, sean, we're going to have to leave it there, but i hope you have a really, really good bank holiday weekend . good bank holiday weekend. that's sean sutherland from a plastic planet there. now, folks , i've been darren grimes and i've been sitting in for laurence back in the laurence fox, who's back in the chair friday from 7:00. chair next friday from 7:00. don't forget , you can tune in don't forget, you can tune in onune don't forget, you can tune in online and on dab plus all bank houday online and on dab plus all bank holiday to stay up to date. up next, it's mark dolan. stay here. hello again. the fine weather,— here. hello again. the fine weather, many— here. hello again. the fine weather, many of- 3ti3ti hello again. the fine weather, many of us have had through— weather, many of us have had through totaw— weather, many of us have had through today will continue to owerntght. — through today will continue to overnight. that— through today will continue to overnight. that does mean it wttt— overnight. that does mean it wttt turn— overnight. that does mean it will turn chilly— overnight. that does mean it will turn chilly and largely etear— will turn chilly and largely clear skies.— will turn chilly and largely clear skies. but— will turn chilly and largely clear skies. but then tomorrow trtnge— clear skies. but then tomorrow trtnge ptentw— clear skies. but then tomorrow trtnge ptentw ot— clear skies. but then tomorrow brings plenty of dry and warm, eunnw— brings plenty of dry and warm, sunny weather— brings plenty of dry and warm, sunny weather ,_ brings plenty of dry and warm, sunny weather , all because of sunny weather, all because of htgh— sunny weather, all because of htgh preeeure— sunny weather, all because of high pressure which is dominating- high pressure which is dominating the picture across the-teeptng— dominating the picture across the keeping fronts in the the uk, keeping fronts in the weet— the uk, keeping fronts in the weet at— the uk, keeping fronts in the weet at taw— the uk, keeping fronts in the weet at taw .— the uk, keeping fronts in the west at bay . but— the uk, keeping fronts in the west at bay . but we are going to west at bay. but we are going to thre— west at bay. but we are going to thte weat— west at bay. but we are going to see this weak front— west at bay. but we are going to see this weak front trying to pueh— see this weak front trying to puehlwaw— see this weak front trying to puehlwaw tn— see this weak front trying to push way in from the north push its way in from the north sea. — push its way in from the north sea. how— push its way in from the north sea. now that's— push its way in from the north sea. now that's going a sea. now that's going to bring a ttttte— sea. now that's going to bring a little—eastern. little bit more cloud to eastern ant— little bit more cloud to eastern and northeastern— little bit more cloud to eastern and northeastern of the and northeastern parts of the un — and northeastern parts of the un ant— and northeastern parts of the un ant ateo— and northeastern parts of the uk. and also some rain could turn— uk. and also some rain could turn a— uk. and also some rain could turn a ttttte— uk. and also some rain could turn a little heavy at times turn a little bit heavy at times over-pane— turn a little bit heavy at times ower-pane ot— turn a little bit heavy at times over parts of scotland over eastern parts of scotland owerntght. — over eastern parts of scotland overnight. _will- over eastern parts of scotland overnight. _will be. overnight. elsewhere will be otten—

overnight. elsewhere will be often _skies. _ overnight. elsewhere will be often skies. under often clear skies. and under theee— often clear skies. and under these-skies,- often clear skies. and under these skies, temperatures these clear skies, temperatures are these clear skies, temperatures gotng— these clear skies, temperatures gotng-tate— these clear skies, temperatures are going-takelbit- these clear skies, temperatures are going take bit of are going to take a bit of a ttp. — are going to take a bit of a ttp. whttet— are going to take a bit of a dip. whilst it— are going to take a bit of a dip. whilst it won't be quite as tott— dip. whilst it won't be quite as eott ae— dip. whilst it won't be quite as eott ae-ntght,— dip. whilst it won't be quite as cold as-night, for- dip. whilst it won't be quite as cold as night, for most, cold as last night, for most, it count— cold as last night, for most, it eoutt-a— cold as last night, for most, it could-a-frostyl could still be a touch frosty for could still be a touch frosty tor-watch- could still be a touch frosty for-watch out- could still be a touch frosty for-watch out for| could still be a touch frostyi for-watch out for a could still be a touch frosty- for-watch out for a few for some and watch out for a few patehee— for some and watch out for a few patehee-ant— for some and watch out for a few patehee-ant-tn- for some and watch out for a few patches - and - in the l patches of mist and fog in the eouth. — patches of mist and fog in the eouth. -tn— patches of mist and fog in the south. _in the— patches of mist and fog in the south. in the night south. later in the night for nanw— south. later in the night for nanw-on— south. later in the night for many. on saturday, getting many. then on saturday, getting off many. then on saturday, getting ott to— many. then on saturday, getting ott to a— many. then on saturday, getting ott to a trtght— many. then on saturday, getting off to a bright start with ptentw— off to a bright start with plenty sunshine. still some plenty of sunshine. still some atout— plenty of sunshine. still some cloud-eastern- plenty of sunshine. still some cloud eastern north plenty of sunshine. still some cloud parts, astern north plenty of sunshine. still some cloud parts, buttrn north plenty of sunshine. still some cloud parts, but mostrth plenty of sunshine. still some cloud parts, but most of the eastern parts, but most of the rah— eastern parts, but most of the wttt— eastern parts, but most of the rain will clear— eastern parts, but most of the rain will clear away and a good chunk— rain will clear away and a good thunk-atout— rain will clear away and a good chunk-cloud is- rain will clear away and a good chunk cloud is going to chunk of the cloud is going to treat—tor- chunk of the cloud is going toi break _for many, break up as well. so for many, it break up as well. so for many, ttlgotng— break up as well. so for many, ttlgotng to— break up as well. so for many, ttlgotng to te— break up as well. so for many, ttlgotng to te a— break up as well. so for many, it going to be a largely it is going to be a largely eunnw— it is going to be a largely sunny afternoon, plenty of eprtng— sunny afternoon, plenty of spring sunshine. and in that eunehtne— sunshine feeling pleasantly warm wtth— sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures— sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures touch higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with todaytratures touch higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with today withes touch higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with today with highs)uch higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with today with highs of h higher sunshine feeling pleasantly warm with today with highs of around r than today with highs of around 16 than today with highs of around to or— than today with highs of around to or p— than today with highs of around 16 or 17 celsius— than today with highs of around 16 or 17 celsius later on as we go through— 16 or 17 celsius later on as we go through tomorrow evening, we are go through tomorrow evening, we gotng— go through tomorrow evening, we gotng to— go through tomorrow evening, we gotng to eee— go through tomorrow evening, we are going to see a— go through tomorrow evening, we are going to see a bit more etout— are going to see a bit more etout aoee— are going to see a bit more cloud across parts of northern tretant— cloud across parts of northern ireland. winds— cloud across parts of northern ireland. winds strengthening gag,— ireland. winds strengthening here—thre- here, too, all due to this tront. — here, too, all due to this tront. -trwtng- here, too, all due to this front. _trying in front. that's trying to push in tron— front. that's trying to push in tron-thre- front. that's trying to push in from _this will- front. that's trying to push in from this will bring from the west. this will bring some _ rain here i from the west. this will bringi some—rain here as some outbreaks of rain here as we go— some outbreaks of rain here as we go through— some outbreaks of rain here as we go through the— some outbreaks of rain here as we go through the evening and perhape—pane- we go through the evening and perhape—pane otl perhaps to western parts of soottant— perhaps to western parts of scotland overnight elsewhere. scotland to overnight elsewhere. it's scotland to overnight elsewhere. tt-e-ttte — scotland to overnight elsewhere. tt-e-ttte a— scotland to overnight elsewhere. it's-like a largely- scotland to overnight elsewhere. it's like a largely dry it's looking like a largely dry ntght— it's looking like a largely dry ntght. there— it's looking like a largely dry night. there will— it's looking like a largely dry night. there will be a bit more etout—eeen- night. there will be a bit more cloud seen through cloud than we've seen through some recent nights. as a result, tenperaturee— some recent nights. as a result, temperatures-not- temperatures perhaps not tropptng— dropping quite as low as they have— dropping quite as low as they have tone— dropping quite as low as they

have done recently. otherwise through— have done recently. otherwise through easter— have done recently. otherwise through easter sunday, it's agatn— through easter sunday, it's agatn tor— through easter sunday, it's again for much— through easter sunday, it's again for much of england and ttatee— again for much of england and ttateelteaet— again for much of england and wales least looking like a wales at least looking like a another— wales at least looking like a another-taw— wales at least looking like a another- day. yes- wales at least looking like a another day. yes there'll another fine day. yes there'll be another fine day. yes there'll te a— another fine day. yes there'll te laoe— another fine day. yes there'll be a.more cloud- another fine day. yes there'll be a more cloud around than be a bit more cloud around than of be a bit more cloud around than ot—we— be a bit more cloud around than ot—we heat- be a bit more cloud around than of we head through of late, but as we head through the—ot— of late, but as we head through the—ot-tnl the middle part of the day in paneutar,— the middle part of the day in pagan. tt— the middle part of the day in particular, it is— the middle part of the day in particular, it is looking targetw— particular, it is looking largely sunny outbreaks of rain through— largely sunny outbreaks of rain through-morning- largely sunny outbreaks of rain through morning across through the morning across soottant— scotland should clear away towarte— scotland should clear awayj towards—then scotland should clear away- towards_then some towards the north, but then some wet—gotng— towards the north, but then some wet—gotnglpueh- towards the north, but then some wet—gotnglpueh tn| wet weather is going to push in tron— wet weather is going to push in tron the— wet weather is going to push in tron the weet— wet weather is going to push in from the west later on and that wttt— from the west later on and that wttt-aeroee— from the west later on and that will-across-uk- from the west later on and that will-across-uk into. will sweep across the uk into ttontaw— will sweep across the uk into mondaberinging_ will sweep across the uk into monday bringing to monday, bringing a change to more unsettled— monday, bringing a change to more unsettled conditions as .

hello there. welcome back. i'm bethany - hello there. welcome back. i'm tethanw tteew. — . hello there. welcome back. i'm bethany elsey. keeping— hello there. welcome back. i'm bethany elsey. keeping you up to tate— bethany elsey. keeping you up to tate tron — bethany elsey. keeping you up to date from newsroom labour date from the gb newsroom labour is date from the gb newsroom labour te etatntng— date from the gb newsroom labour te etatntng tene— date from the gb newsroom labour is claiming tens of— date from the gb newsroom labour is claiming tens of thousands of ottentere— is claiming tens of thousands of offenders convicted of serious hawe— offenders convicted of serious crimes have been— offenders convicted of serious crimes have been spared. jail whtte— crimes have been spared. jail whtte the— crimes have been spared. jail while the conservatives have teen— while the conservatives have teen tn— while the conservatives have been in government. the party eawe— been in government. the party says more than— been in government. the party says more than 16,000 adults

eonwete— says more than 16,000 adults eonwete ot— says more than 16,000 adults convicts of child— says more than 16,000 adults convicts of child offences . and convicts of child offences. and reo— convicts of child offences. and to raptete— convicts of child offences. and 130 rapists have— convicts of child offences. and 130 rapists have been handed eonnunttw— 130 rapists have been handed community punishments or euepentet— community punishments or suspended sentences. it's tatour-e— suspended sentences. it's labour's latest- suspended sentences. it's labour's latest attack on the government— labour's latest attack on the government in— labour's latest attack on the government in the run up to the heat— government in the run up to the local elections— government in the run up to the local elections in— government in the run up to the local elections in may. earlier, the— local elections in may. earlier, the partw— local elections in may. earlier, the party shared— local elections in may. earlier, the party shared an advert on twttter— the party shared an advert on twitter claiming— the party shared an advert on twitter claiming rishi sunak toeen-t— twitter claiming rishi sunak doesn't think— twitter claiming rishi sunak doesn't think child sex abusers ehoutt— doesn't think child sex abusers ehoutt go— doesn't think child sex abusers ehoutt go to— doesn't think child sex abusers should go to prison , a move tory should go to prison, a move tory ntntetere— should go to prison, a move tory ministers called— should go to prison, a move tory ministers called vile and teeperate— ministers called vile and teeperate .— ministers called vile and desperate . israel's foreign desperate. israel's foreign ntntetrw— desperate. israel's foreign ntntetrw eawe— desperate. israel's foreign ministry says at least one peeo— ministry says at least one peeon hae— ministry says at least one person has been killed and five othere— person has been killed and five others injured— person has been killed and five others injured in— person has been killed and five others injured in a— person has been killed and five others injured in a terrorist attack— others injured in a terrorist attack tn— others injured in a terrorist attack in tel— others injured in a terrorist attack in tel aviv . police say attack in tel aviv. police say the— attack in tel aviv. police say the incident— attack in tel aviv. police say the incident involved a shooting and the incident involved a shooting ant a— the incident involved a shooting ant a era— the incident involved a shooting and a car ramming. the incident involved a shooting and a car ramming . the victims and a car ramming. the victims att— and a car ramming. the victims were all tourists— and a car ramming. the victims were all tourists ,_ and a car ramming. the victims were all tourists , but it's were all tourists, but it's unconfirmed— were all tourists, but it's unconfirmed where they're from . unconfirmed where they're from. it's unconfirmed where they're from. he the — unconfirmed where they're from. it's the second— unconfirmed where they're from. it's the second deadly attack in the regton— it's the second deadly attack in the region today— it's the second deadly attack in the region today after two trttteh— the region today after two british israeli— the region today after two british israeli sisters were ehot— british israeli sisters were ehot teat— british israeli sisters were shot dead in— british israeli sisters were shot dead in their car in the oeeuptet— shot dead in their car in the occupied west— shot dead in their car in the occupied west bank. violence has three— occupied west bank. violence has flared between— occupied west bank. violence has flared between israel and tateettne— flared between israel and palestine in— flared between israel and palestine in recent days over ttuettn— palestine in recent days over ttuettn ant— palestine in recent days over muslim and jewish holidays. the uk muslim and jewish holidays. the ue toretgn— muslim and jewish holidays. the uk foreign office— muslim and jewish holidays. the uk foreign office is calling for

all uk foreign office is calling for att ettee— uk foreign office is calling for att ettee to— uk foreign office is calling for all sides to de—escalate