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saturday night news with bethany elsev .— saturday night news with bethany heew . heed— saturday night news with bethany elsey . good evening . i am elsey. good evening. i am hehhehw— elsey. good evening. i am bethany elsey— elsey. good evening. i am bethany elsey with your top stories— bethany elsey with your top stories from _ bethany elsey with your top stories from the— bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom and we-h— stories from the gb newsroom and we-h shew— stories from the gb newsroom and we-h shah whh— stories from the gb newsroom and we'll start with some breaking eh— we'll start with some breaking news. 31 ukrainian children who when— news. 31 ukrainian children who were taken from _ news. 31 ukrainian children who were taken from occupied areas during— were taken from occupied areas ewhg the— were taken from occupied areas ewhg the we— were taken from occupied areas during the war have been returned— during the war have been returned to— during the war have been returned to and reunited with their— returned to and reunited with their families— returned to and reunited with their families ._ returned to and reunited with their families . moscow, which their families. moscow, which eehweh— their families. moscow, which controls regions— their families. moscow, which controls regions of ukraine's eeeh— controls regions of ukraine's eeeh ahe— controls regions of ukraine's east and south,— controls regions of ukraine's east and south, denies abducting the children— east and south, denies abducting the children and— east and south, denies abducting the children and says they were when— the children and says they were taken away— the children and says they were taken away her— the children and says they were taken away for their own safety. hww— taken away for their own safety. kyiv estimates— taken away for their own safety. kyiv estimates ._ taken away for their own safety. kyiv estimates . nearly 19,500 kyiv estimates. nearly 19,500 whehhh— kyiv estimates. nearly 19,500 ukrainian children have been deemed— ukrainian children have been eepehee he— ukrainian children have been deported to russia since moscow hee— deported to russia since moscow he hweeee— deported to russia since moscow first invaded last— deported to russia since moscow first invaded last month . the first invaded last month. the international— first invaded last month. the international criminal court issued— international criminal court issued eh— international criminal court issued an arrest— international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for president— issued an arrest warrant for president vladimir putin on charges— president vladimir putin on charges eh— president vladimir putin on charges of war— president vladimir putin on charges of war crimes and child ehewehehe— charges of war crimes and child ehewehehe .— charges of war crimes and child abductions . us— charges of war crimes and child abductions . us and some other abductions. us and some other breaking— abductions. us and some other heehhg newe— abductions. us and some other breaking news. the british hereeh— breaking news. the british israeli sisters— breaking news. the british israeli sisters who were killed in israeli sisters who were killed h the— israeli sisters who were killed in the occupied— israeli sisters who were killed in the occupied west bank weehewhw— in the occupied west bank yesterday have— in the occupied west bank yesterday have been named rina and maya— yesterday have been named rina and maya zakarin_ yesterday have been named rina and maya zakarin were shot in their— and maya zakarin were shot in their eer— and maya zakarin were shot in their car near— and maya zakarin were shot in their car near an— and maya zakarin were shot in their car near an israeli eehhehehh— their car near an israeli settlement in-

their car near an israeli settlement in the beqaa valley. hheh— settlement in the beqaa valley. hheh mow...— settlement in the beqaa valley. their mother remains in a ehheeh— their mother remains in a critical condition. israel prime whheher— critical condition. israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu shareh— minister benjamin netanyahu shared their— minister benjamin netanyahu shared their photos on social media— shared their photos on social media ahe— shared their photos on social media and sent— shared their photos on social media and sent his condolences to media and sent his condolences he the— media and sent his condolences he hhe hehhhw— media and sent his condolences to the family back— media and sent his condolences to the family back here, a 12 year— to the family back here, a 12 year ew— to the family back here, a 12 year oh boy— to the family back here, a 12 year old boy accused of murdering— year old boy accused of murdering a— year old boy accused of murdering a grandmother in shehhehh— murdering a grandmother in sheffield has— murdering a grandmother in sheffield has been remanded into secure accommodation . 60 year secure accommodation. 60 year old secure accommodation. 60 year we wareh— secure accommodation. 60 year old marcia grant— secure accommodation. 60 year old marcia grant was hit by her own car outside _ old marcia grant was hit by her own car outside her home in green— own car outside her home in green hhhh— own car outside her home in green hill on— own car outside her home in green hill on wednesday. the hehhhw— green hill on wednesday. the family released— green hill on wednesday. the family released a— green hill on wednesday. the family released a statement wher— family released a statement ehher her— family released a statement after her death— family released a statement after her death describing her as warm and loving and a pillar of he— as warm and loving and a pillar of the community. _ as warm and loving and a pillar of the community. the boy who eeh-h— of the community. the boy who eeh-h he— of the community. the boy who can't be identified— of the community. the boy who can't be identified due to his age— can't be identified due to his age he— can't be identified due to his age he ewe— can't be identified due to his age is due before sheffield hewhh— age is due before sheffield vewhh cowh— age is due before sheffield youth court again tomorrow . youth court again tomorrow. wheehe— youth court again tomorrow. nicola sturgeon— youth court again tomorrow. nicola sturgeon has spoken out for nicola sturgeon has spoken out her he— nicola sturgeon has spoken out her hhe fireh— nicola sturgeon has spoken out for the first time— nicola sturgeon has spoken out for the first time since her husband— for the first time since her husband was— for the first time since her husband was arrested , saying she husband was arrested, saying she has new— husband was arrested, saying she has heh heeh— husband was arrested, saying she has not been questioned by hence.— has not been questioned by police. former— has not been questioned by police. former snp chief eehe— police. former snp chief executive peter murrell was when— executive peter murrell was heheh hhe— executive peter murrell was taken into custody on wednesday as perh— taken into custody on wednesday as heh eh— taken into custody on wednesday as heh of e— taken into custody on wednesday as part of a police— as part of a police investigation into the party's hhheee— investigation into the party's hhheee. he— investigation into the party's finances. he was— investigation into the party's finances. he was later released whhhewh— finances. he was later released

without charge— finances. he was later released without charge ._ finances. he was later released without charge . the former first without charge. the former first whheher— without charge. the former first minister described the past few ewe— minister described the past few days he— minister described the past few days as traumatic, but says she hhehhe— days as traumatic, but says she hhehhe he— days as traumatic, but says she hhehee he eeh— days as traumatic, but says she intends to get on— days as traumatic, but says she intends to get on with her life ehe— intends to get on with her life and whhh— intends to get on with her life and whhh her— intends to get on with her life and with her job. hm." ”h22; and with herjob. much as there are things i might want to see, i am not able to do so other than to say that, as has been the case, there will continue to be full cooperation . in the last be full cooperation. in the last few days have been an obviously difficult, quite traumatic at times. but understand that is part of a process. and times. but understand that is part of a process . and the times. but understand that is part of a process. and the nhs confederation— part of a process. and the nhs confederation is— 2 and the nhs confederation is warning a wearer— confederation is warning a eweher eh— confederation is warning a eweher eh e— confederation is warning a quarter of a million appointees eewhehhe— quarter of a million appointees eewhehhe eewhe— quarter of a million appointees payments could be postponed and due payments could be postponed and he he— payments could be postponed and he he e— payments could be postponed and he he e few— payments could be postponed and due to a four day— payments could be postponed and due to a four day strike by junior— due to a four day strike by junior doctors— due to a four day strike by junior doctors next week, medics in junior doctors next week, medics h-whhh— junior doctors next week, medics h-whhh wehh— junior doctors next week, medics in-will walk out- junior doctors next week, medics in will walk out from in england will walk out from hweeeew— in england will walk out from hweeeew h— in england will walk out from hweeeew hh eh— in england will walk out from tuesday in an ongoing dispute pew.— tuesday in an ongoing dispute pay- whe— tuesday in an ongoing dispute over pay. the british medical aeeeehehheh— over pay. the british medical association says— over pay. the british medical association says the action eewhe— association says the action eewhe ehhhh— association says the action could still be _ association says the action could still be avoided if the government— could still be avoided if the government makes a credible effer— government makes a credible eher .— government makes a credible eher. huh— government makes a credible offer . but the— government makes a credible offer. but the health department hehehe— offer. but the health department hehehe hhe— offer. but the health department insists the strike— offer. but the health department insists the strike must be eehhee— insists the strike must be eehhee eh— insists the strike must be called off before negotiations hehe— called off before negotiations hehe eheee. — called off before negotiations take place. you're up to date on tv, take place. you're up to date on w, ehhhe— take place. you're up to date on w, ehhhe ,— take place. you're up to date on tv, online , dab+_ take place. you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and on

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more tax those sinners . yes. more tax those sinners. yes. heeeh-h— more tax those sinners. yes. doesn't matter— more tax those sinners. yes. doesn't matter that the syntax is doesn't matter that the syntax he ee— doesn't matter that the syntax is are absolutely— doesn't matter that the syntax is are absolutely doomed . is are absolutely doomed. aheehwhehw— is are absolutely doomed. absolutely awful to help our wehehhhee— absolutely awful to help our waistlines. the— absolutely awful to help our waistlines. the sugar tax it was hhreeweee— waistlines. the sugar tax it was introduced in— waistlines. the sugar tax it was introduced in 2018. what's happened— introduced in 2018. what's happened since obesity for ehhhereh— happened since obesity for children and— happened since obesity for children and for adults has gone up. children and for adults has gone we. hehhewe— children and for adults has gone we. hehhewe th— children and for adults has gone up. believe it or— children and for adults has gone up. believe it or not, it's just ehehher— up. believe it or not, it's just another cash— up. believe it or not, it's just another cash grab that hits the peer— another cash grab that hits the peer hhe — another cash grab that hits the peer hhe heeh.— another cash grab that hits the poor the most. yes we all want eeeehe— poor the most. yes we all want eeeehe he— poor the most. yes we all want eeeehe he he— poor the most. yes we all want people to be healthier, but the whe— people to be healthier, but the we hen-h— people to be healthier, but the nhs isn't broken— people to be healthier, but the nhs isn't broken because people are nhs isn't broken because people ewhhhe— nhs isn't broken because people ewhhhe hee— nhs isn't broken because people are putting too much into their hewhhe.— are putting too much into their hewhhe. hh-e— are putting too much into their mouths. it's broken because it's an ehhhewehee— mouths. it's broken because it's an antiquated system that's heew— an antiquated system that's heew h— an antiquated system that's badly in need— an antiquated system that's badly in need of root and branch eehhh— badly in need of root and branch eehhh se— badly in need of root and branch reform. so remember , it's not reform. so remember, it's not wee— reform. so remember, it's not wee hheh— reform. so remember, it's not yew hheh he— reform. so remember, it's not you that is letting the nhs eewh— you that is letting the nhs eewh hh-e— you that is letting the nhs down, it's the— you that is letting the nhs down, it's the nhs that is hehhhe— down, it's the nhs that is hehhhe you— down, it's the nhs that is letting you down. h 2.22 2 letting you down. nicely done. there we go. 60 letting you down. h 2.22 2 ”h22; 22 60 seconds. darren, there we go. 60 seconds. darren, wheh— there we go. 60 seconds. darren, wheh ee— there we go. 60 seconds. darren, wheh he wee— there we go. 60 seconds. darren, what do you think?— there we go. 60 seconds. darren, what do you think? do- 22 22 60 seconds. darren, what do you think? do you ”h22; 22 60 seconds. darren, what do you think? do you think hheh— what do you think? do you think hheh wehe— what do you think? do you think that we're what— what do you think? do you think that we're what the syntax is? are— that we're what the syntax is? we we — that we're what the syntax is? are we scapegoating fat people as are we scapegoating fat people ee hhhhhe— are we scapegoating fat people ee hhhhhe e — are we scapegoating fat people as little ? emily— are we scapegoating fat people as little ? emily i— are we scapegoating fat people as little ? 22, are we scapegoating fat people as little ? lye "2 are we scapegoating fat people as little ? as little? emily i think you put it really well there because ultimately i think the people that are most passionate about the nhs as it is without the nhs staying as it is without any of reform, have to say,

any form of reform, have to say, well, of course we're going to have more revenue have to raise more revenue because more to get skin because we need more to get skin taken off people excess skin and all the rest of it. if they've lost loads of weight, everything is done on the nhs now and i think a lot of people watching at home will be of the view. i've got nowt left for yet a tax, you know. well that's true. i tax, you know. well that's true. h heeh— tax, you know. well that's true. h we— tax, you know. well that's true. i mean we talk— tax, you know. well that's true. i mean we talk about- clix well that's true. i mean we talk about the cost of hwhe— i mean we talk about the cost of hwhe weh— i mean we talk about the cost of hwhe weh hhe— i mean we talk about the cost of living yet the public health hehhw— living yet the public health hehhw ee— living yet the public health lobby are more— living yet the public health lobby are more willing than ehehew— lobby are more willing than we ehee— lobby are more willing than anyone else to— lobby are more willing than anyone else to just slap taxes on anyone else to just slap taxes eh eeeehe— anyone else to just slap taxes eh eeeehe whe— anyone else to just slap taxes on people who spend more proportionately— on people who spend more proportionately of their income on proportionately of their income eh heed— proportionately of their income eh heee .— proportionately of their income eh heee . ahe— proportionately of their income on food . and yes,— proportionately of their income on food . and yes, we don't all on food. and yes, we don't all eeh— on food. and yes, we don't all eat healthier— on food. and yes, we don't all eat healthier obe— on food. and yes, we don't all eat healthier obe but look, hang on, eat healthier obe but look, hang heh-e— eat healthier obe but look, hang heh-e hehe— eat healthier obe but look, hang on, let's take smoking, for exempte— on, let's take smoking, for example- — on, let's take smoking, for example. there- on, let's take smoking, for example. 2 example. there smoking and cigarettes are very heavily taxed. they have been for a eewehe— taxed. they have been for a eewehe eh— taxed. they have been for a couple of decades- 2 they have been for a couple of decades now. there was a couple of decades now. there was e eehehehe— couple of decades now. there was a complete change— couple of decades now. there was a complete change of direction to a complete change of direction he eheeeweee— a complete change of direction to discourage people because of just to discourage people because of tweh hew— to discourage people because of tweh hew hee— to discourage people because of tweh hew the th— to discourage people because of just how bad it is— to discourage people because of just how bad it is for people's heehhh— just how bad it is for people's heehhh ehe— just how bad it is for people's health and we've— just how bad it is for people's health and we've seen that the hwheh— health and we've seen that the hwheh eh— health and we've seen that the number of people— health and we've seen that the number of people that smoke now, it's number of people that smoke now, the ehewh— number of people that smoke now, the ehewh e— number of people that smoke now, it's about 6 million— number of people that smoke now, it's about 6 million regular smokers. fraction , smokers. it's a fraction, hhherehhw— smokers. it's a fraction, hhherehhw e— smokers. it's a fraction, literally a fraction of what it was a generation and that's was a generation ago. and that's heeewee— was a generation ago. and that's heeewee hh-e— was a generation ago. and that's

because it's too— was a generation ago. and that's because it's too expensive for heeh— because it's too expensive for heeh eeeehe— because it's too expensive for heeh eeeehe he— because it's too expensive for most people to do. alex and so eeeeh-h— most people to do. alex and so eeeeh-h hheh— most people to do. alex and so doesn't that show— most people to do. alex and so doesn't that show that you do hheh— doesn't that show that you do hheh-heee — doesn't that show that you do that-food and— doesn't that show that you do that food and could that with food and it could hehhew— that with food and it could follow-same? - that with food and it could- follow-same? _think follow the same? i don't think so isn't the fact so because alex isn't the fact that are smoking less that people are smoking less because such a because there's been such a campaign in of the campaign on in terms of the health effects. we all know smoking kills us. and also we've had well , smoking kills us. and also we've had well, vaping smoking kills us. and also we've had well , vaping accelerate, had well, vaping accelerate, have we not? right. and you make a have we not? right. and you make e eeee— have we not? right. and you make e good eehh— have we not? right. and you make a good point because— have we not? right. and you make a good point because what- 27 ?2 and you make a good point because what we eehwehhw— a good point because what we actually need— a good point because what we actually need when it comes to eheehhw—ewhhe- obesity is a proper public heehhh— obesity is a proper public- health—dietary health campaign. the dietary eewee— health campaign. the dietaryi eewee—heeh advice that people have been even— advice that people have been then her— advice that people have been given for decades now is hehhhhe. — given for decades now is terrible. lputs- given for decades now is terrible. puts carbohydrates terrible. it puts carbohydrates at terrible. it puts carbohydrates eh hhe— terrible. it puts carbohydrates eh hhe hee— terrible. it puts carbohydrates eh hhe hee eh— terrible. it puts carbohydrates at the top of the— terrible. it puts carbohydrates at the top of the food pyramid, eewhe — at the top of the food pyramid, eewhg hhhe— at the top of the food pyramid, saying this should be the hetehhw— saying this should be the hetehhwlwew- saying this should be the majority your intake. we know saying this should be the majcbig your intake. we know saying this should be the majcbig food)ur intake. we know saying this should be the majcbig food sponsored we know that big food sponsored a rehhewh— that big food sponsored a rehhewh eh— that big food sponsored a rollout of the _ that big food sponsored a rollout of the low fat diets , rollout of the low fat diets, whheh— rollout of the low fat diets, whheh h— rollout of the low fat diets, which in-ended- rollout of the low fat diets, which in ended up having which in fact ended up having eehe— which in fact ended up having eehe euge— which in fact ended up having eehe sugarla_ which in fact ended up having extra sugar-a lot- which in fact ended up having extra sugar a lot of extra sugar in a lot of weewehe— extra sugar in a lot of products, which actually products, which is actually heheee— products, which is actually. helped _create helped perpetuate and create hhhe— helped perpetuate and create hhhe eheehhw— helped perpetuate and create this obesity crisis. the problem is this obesity crisis. the problem he eeh— this obesity crisis. the problem he heh hexhe— this obesity crisis. the problem is not taxing people who frankly , hhe — is not taxing people who frankly , hhe ee— is not taxing people who frankly , hhe whe— is not taxing people who frankly , the ones who are— is not taxing people who frankly , the ones who are obese are the ehee-eehwehhw— , the ones who are obese are the ones-actually tend- , the ones who are obese are the ones actually tend to resort ones who actually tend to resort to ones who actually tend to resort he hewhe— ones who actually tend to resort he hewhe he— ones who actually tend to resort to having to -ultra - ones who actually tend to resort to having to ultra processed to having to buy ultra processed heed— to having to buy ultra processed heeelewwwe— to having to buy ultra processed heeelewwwe .— to having to buy ultra processed food-survive . it's— to having to buy ultra processed food survive . it's about food to survive. it's about regulating— food to survive. it's about regulating the— food to survive. it's about regulating the big food industry and hey— regulating the big food industry and hey ee— regulating the big food industry and they are everywhere. they are pernicious.— and they are everywhere. they are pernicious. you know, you hee— are pernicious. you know, you had macdonald— are pernicious. you know, you had macdonald sponsoring the ohwhehe— had macdonald sponsoring the ohwhehe-ewhe-

had macdonald sponsoring the olympic during the olympic games during the eeheehhe — olympic games during the pandemic. krispy olympic games during the- pandemic. _krispy kreme pandemic. you had krispy kreme hehehe— pandemic. you had krispy kreme hehehe eeh— pandemic. you had krispy kreme handing out doughnuts nhs handing out doughnuts to nhs ehehh— handing out doughnuts to nhs eheh. hheee— handing out doughnuts to nhs staff. these are— handing out doughnuts to nhs staff. these are the people eeehe— staff. these are the people eeehe he— staff. these are the people adding to waistlines. and eheehhw— adding to waistlines. and eheehhw he— adding to waistlines. and eheehhw he e— adding to waistlines. and obesity is a massive crisis and a obesity is a massive crisis and e big— obesity is a massive crisis and e big hweeh— obesity is a massive crisis and e big hweeh eh— obesity is a massive crisis and a big burden on the nhs. 2; a big burden on the nhs. albie do a big burden on the nhs. albie he vou— a big burden on the nhs. albie he you hhhhh— a big burden on the nhs. albie do you think we— a big burden on the nhs. albie do you think we should tax? sorry we sorry benjamin. do you think we should food , as alex should tax big food, as alex says, or the consumer rather? well, i think you can tax well, i think you can tax both well, i think you can tax both he— well, i think you can tax both the consumer— well, i think you can tax both the consumer and big food by way of the consumer and big food by way eh e— the consumer and big food by way eh e eweer— the consumer and big food by way eh e sugar hex. — the consumer and big food by way of a sugar tax. one— the consumer and big food by way of a sugar tax. 02 of a sugar tax. one of the things that the sugar tax did was not just change people's behaviour, but it also made big food companies change the ingredients that were going into their are making their foods that are making people obese. so actually, i hhhh— people obese. so actually, i hhhh hheh— people obese. so actually, i think that the _ people obese. so actually, i think that the sugar- so actually, i think that the sugar tax eehwehhw— think that the sugar tax actually seems to be quite an eheehwe— actually seems to be quite an effective tool— actually seems to be quite an effective tool at— actually seems to be quite an effective tool at making big hweheeeee— effective tool at making big businesses change the way that he— businesses change the way that he eeeeehe — businesses change the way that they operate and— businesses change the way that they operate and making people change— they operate and making people change her— they operate and making people change their habits. yeah, change their food habits. yeah, heeewee— change their food habits. yeah, heeewee-hhe- change their food habits. yeah, because-the real- change their food habits. yeah, because the real hit change their food habits. yeah, beca isa the real hit change their food habits. yeah, beca is on the real hit change their food habits. yeah, beca is on the the real hit change their food habits. yeah, beca is on the companies hit change their food habits. yeah, beca is on the companies because here is on the companies because he— here is on the companies because hhew hhew— here is on the companies because he knew hheh— here is on the companies because they know that the _ here is on the companies because they know that the price of her— they know that the price of their products— they know that the price of their products going up makes eeeehe—hww- their products going up makes eeeehe—hww hhl people less likely to buy it. ahe— people less likely to buy it. and ee— people less likely to buy it. and so instead— people less likely to buy it. and so instead of a tax actually eehe— and so instead of a tax actually being eeehhee— and so instead of a tax actually being eeehhee he— and so instead of a tax actually being applied to the consumer, wheh— being applied to the consumer, wheh wee-we— being applied to the consumer, what you've seen _ being applied to the consumer, what you've seen in loads of exehehee— what you've seen in loads of exeheheelewh— what you've seen in loads of examples, put iron brew, you examples, i'd put iron brew, you knew,— examples, i'd put iron brew, you knew he— examples, i'd put iron brew, you know, the-popular- examples, i'd put iron brew, you know, the popular fizzy know, the most popular fizzy ehhh— know, the most popular fizzy ehhh h— know, the most popular fizzy drink in scotland as one is that

he— drink in scotland as one is that he reduced— drink in scotland as one is that they reduced the— drink in scotland as one is that they reduced the amount of sugar so they reduced the amount of sugar ee-hex— they reduced the amount of sugar ee-hex wehh— they reduced the amount of sugar so tax wasn't applied. so that the tax wasn't applied. ahe— so that the tax wasn't applied. and he— so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works— so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works well, _ so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works well, but- so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works well, but it- so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works well, but it just tastes terrible doesn't it? does no one care about taste does no one care about the taste of does no one care about the taste eh—ehwhere- does no one care about the taste eh—ehwheree - does no one care about the taste of_anymore ? dairy| of these foods anymore? dairy wen.— of these foods anymore? dairy wet-knew— of these foods anymore? dairy well,-know what,- of these foods anymore? dairy well, know what, though? well, you know what, though? if syntax proven work, syntax aces were proven to work, i most people here might i reckon most people here might be all right, well, be saying, all right, well, hunky days. this is hunky dory happy days. this is the thing do. take the best thing to do. but take nicola sturgeon , for example. nicola sturgeon, for example. remember put in place remember her? she put in place minimum. put in place minimum. she put in place minimum. she put in place minimum unit alcohol pricing on alcohol to ban cheap booze basically being sold in supermarkets , just probably in supermarkets, just probably in desperate need for a drink right now. know, she it didn't now. but you know, she it didn't work. emily did it? evidence no, it didn't work. it didn't work. all it did was make people poorer because people still want a drink and albie clearly a drink and albie you clearly weren't to my weren't listening to my monologue, spiel. there , were monologue, my spiel. there, were you? heeewee— monologue, my spiel. there, were you? heeewee h— monologue, my spiel. there, were you? because i said— monologue, my spiel. there, were you? because i said since- 2 there, were you? because i said since 2018, wheh— you? because i said since 2018, whhehlwheh— you? because i said since 2018, which-when the— you? because i said since 2018, which when the sugar tax came which is when the sugar tax came the— which is when the sugar tax came hhe eehheh— which is when the sugar tax came hhe eehheh ,— which is when the sugar tax came into action , obesity— which is when the sugar tax came into action , obesity has only into action, obesity has only eehe— into action, obesity has only eehe-ahe— into action, obesity has only gone-and guess- into action, obesity has only gone and guess what? the gone up. and guess what? the ewhhe— gone up. and guess what? the ewhhhe heehhh— gone up. and guess what? the public health lobby, they were the public health lobby, they were hhe—heehl public health lobby, they were- hhe—heeh eewh the ones who wanted to lock down eeehew —eeeh- the ones who wanted to lock down ewewene—eeeh h- everyone. where's the peak in eheehhwe— everyone. where's the peak in eheehhwe-ohe— everyone. where's the peak in obesity?-one 2021- everyone. where's the peak in obesity? one 2021 because obesity? no. one 2021 because eeewe— obesity? no. one 2021 because everyone was stuck at no everyone was stuck at home. no

whethe— everyone was stuck at home. no one's arguing there's one's arguing that there's a eeweeh— one's arguing that there's a causal relationship the causal relationship between the euge— causal relationship between the eweer-eheehhw. - causal relationship between the sugar obesity. sugar tax and obesity. people are-arguing— sugar tax and obesity. people are arguing that it's are just arguing that it's a useful tool when comes to useful tool when it comes to companies changing their recipes and people changing their eating and people changing their eating and habits. can i just and drinking habits. can ijust say that, you know,— and drinking habits. can ijust say that, you know,-alexi say that, you know, and alex eehe—th- say that, you know, and alex eehe—h el say that, you know, and alex| eehe—h e heh quite rightly hit upon it a lot of quite rightly hit upon it a lot eh ehe— quite rightly hit upon it a lot of big companies , whether it's of big companies, whether it's heeh— of big companies, whether it's heeh heed— of big companies, whether it's heeh heee er— of big companies, whether it's fast food or things we don'ti even—unhealthy fast food or things we don't. even—unhealthy , even recognise as unhealthy, hewe— even recognise as unhealthy, hewe eeh— even recognise as unhealthy, hewe eeh hee— even recognise as unhealthy, have put more salt and more eweer— have put more salt and more eweer h— have put more salt and more sugar in those— have put more salt and more sugar in those foods over the heeh— sugar in those foods over the heeh hew— sugar in those foods over the last few decades. ' 2 e last few decades. and it's addictive. you- last few decades. ' 2 e ?22 lie you know, i last few decades. ' 2 2 22 2.2 you know, i used last few decades. ' 2 2 222 2.2 you know, i used to addictive. you know, i used to eat— addictive. you know, i used to eat a— addictive. you know, i used to eat a lot— addictive. you know, i used to eat a lot of— 222 2.2 you know, i used to eat a lot of mcdonald's and i would— eat a lot of mcdonald's and i would notice,— eat a lot of mcdonald's and i would notice, you— eat a lot of mcdonald's and i would notice, you know, if i have— would notice, you know, if i have mcdonald's wants every now and-or— have mcdonald's wants every now and-or something- have mcdonald's wants every now and or something similar , and again or something similar, i and again or something similar, when— and again or something similar, i then - because - and again or something similar, i then because there's i then crave it because there's clearly— i then crave it because there's clearly the— i then crave it because there's clearly the kind— i then crave it because there's clearly the kind of salt and sugar— clearly the kind of salt and sugar content— clearly the kind of salt and sugar content is- clearly the kind of salt and sugar content is addictive in those— sugar content is addictive in those foods.— sugar content is addictive in those foods. _ sugar content is addictive in those foods. and- sugar content is addictive in those foods. ' 2 those foods. and that's one of the reasons why companies, you know, full of know, pile these foods full of it . i think a know, pile these foods full of it. i think a big problem that we actually— it. i think a big problem that we actually-is- it. i think a big problem that. we actually-is-people we actually have is most people don-t— we actually have is most people amt-know— we actually have is most people| don't-know-they're don't actually know what they're eating — eating when they're eating it, especially— especially when you're buying foods— especially when you're buying foods _street. - especially when you're buying foods—street. if. foods of the high street. if you-e— foods of the high street. if you're-one of- foods of the high street. if you're one of those sort foods of the high street. if yotyou one of those sort foods of the high street. if yotyou know, one of those sort foods of the high street. if yotyou know, big of those sort foods of the high street. if yotyou know, big milky>se sort foods of the high street. if yotyou know, big milky sugar't of, you know, big milky sugar laden— of, you know, big milky sugar laden drinks— of, you know, big milky sugar laden drinks from a coffee shop, especially— laden drinks from a coffee shop, eepeeeuy ehe — laden drinks from a coffee shop, especially the iced— laden drinks from a coffee shop, especially the iced ones in summer, you're talking hundreds and hundreds— summer, you're talking hundreds and hundreds of— summer, you're talking hundreds and hundreds of calories. but people—ehey-el and hundreds of calories. but people those they're and hundreds of calories. but

people those caloriesy're and hundreds of calories. but people those calories because and hundreds of calories. but peopthink:hose calories because and hundreds of calories. but peopthink ,ose calories because and hundreds of calories. but peopthink , well,3lories because and hundreds of calories. but peopthink , well, it's es because and hundreds of calories. but peopthink , well, it's esdrink. |se they think, well, it's a drink. n-e— they think, well, it's a drink. nee—ee- they think, well, it's a drink. n-e—ee be- they think, well, it's a drink. l it's—to be okay. it's probably going to be okay. ane— it's probably going to be okay. and-i— it's probably going to be okay. andll think— it's probably going to be okay. and-i think we— it's probably going to be okay. and i think we better and so i think we need better regulation.— and so i think we need better regulation. interesting, and so i think we need better regulit, on. interesting, and so i think we need better regulit,on. the�*nteresting, and so i think we need better regulit,on. the government isn't it, that the government obesity— isn't it, that the government obesity-hee— isn't it, that the government obesity has subsequently obesity tsar has subsequently steed— obesity tsar has subsequently eeeee down — obesity tsar has subsequently stood down saying this government- stood down saying this government is not doing enough to government is not doing enough eee—eee— government is not doing enough eee—eee ene- government is not doing enough to crisis and they're to tackle the crisis and they're nee— to tackle the crisis and they're nee-enough— to tackle the crisis and they're not-enough-ofl not doing enough because of vested— not doing enough because of vested industry— not doing enough because of vested industry interests. wen.— vested industry interests. wen. whet— vested industry interests. well, what about- vested industry interests. well, what about personal responsibility? do we believe in that anymore? if you gorge on junk food, is that not your fault? and the government it's not the government's job to tell you or to try with recipes. you or to try and with recipes. the responsibility . the personal responsibility. there-u— the personal responsibility. there-u be— the personal responsibility. there'll be a— the personal responsibility. there'll be a lot of people out there— there'll be a lot of people out there-going— there'll be a lot of people out there-going for- there'll be a lot of people out there going for vegan there now going for a vegan eee,— there now going for a vegan diet, thinking,— there now going for a vegan diet, thinking, has diet, thinking, well, this has got— diet, thinking, well, this has got ee— diet, thinking, well, this has get to be— diet, thinking, well, this has got to be much— diet, thinking, well, this has got to be much better for me. everyone-e— got to be much better for me. everyone's-plant- got to be much better for me. everyone's plant plant got to be much better for me. everyodiet plant plant got to be much better for me. everyodiet good, plant plant got to be much better for me. everyodiet good, but nt plant got to be much better for me. everyo diet good, but they'ret based diet is good, but they're eeeueuy— based diet is good, but they're actually ingesting actually still ingesting highly processed— actually still ingesting highly processed-ef- processed food full of additives,— processed food full of additives, sugars processed food full of. additives,-sugars , processed food full of- additives,-sugars , full additives, full of sugars, full of eee. — additives, full of sugars, full of salt. information is not of salt. the information is not there— of salt. the information is not there fer— of salt. the information is not there for people. _ of salt. the information is not there for people. will there for people. well, you found— there for people. well, you found the information . well, you found the information. well, you know, i was lweatherspoon- 2 well, you know, i was weatherspoon in know, i was in weatherspoon in the popular— know, i was in weatherspoon in ape popular pap— know, i was in weatherspoon in the popular pub chain the other day,— the popular pub chain the other lap—pave- the popular pub chain the other aayl—laave ale- day, and i went to have the vegan— day, and i went to have the vegan breakfast— day, and i went to have the vegan breakfast and the veggie breakfast.— vegan breakfast and the veggie paealfael. l— vegan breakfast and the veggie breakfast. i think— vegan breakfast and the veggie breakfast. i think it might have been. — breakfast. i think it might have been. ana— breakfast. i think it might have been. all p— breakfast. i think it might have been. and it was— breakfast. i think it might have been. and it was 100 calories alan— been. and it was 100 calories more than the— been. and it was 100 calories more than the regular one. and i llle— more than the regular one. and i ppe, ole— more than the regular one. and i was like, oh, well,— more than the regular one. and i was like, oh, well, hang on, teal-e— was like, oh, well, hang on, that's-really— was like, oh, well, hang on, that's really healthier that's not really a healthier oppon—

that's not really a healthier opalon-l- that's not really a healthier opalon-l lo- that's not really a healthier option-i do think| that's not really a healthier- option-i do think that option. and so i do think that information. so you've the information. so you've had the lame— information. so you've had the traffic llam— information. so you've had the traffic light system— information. so you've had the traffic light system on- 2" so you've had the traffic light system on on various products and various food products and supermarket— various food products and supermarket science. 2 supermarket science. actually, it's actually not built on secure and secure science. and this is a big science we big problem. the science that we have which is good have been told, which is good for you, actually isn't. right. well, we've time well, that's all we've got time for one. let us know for on that one. let us know whal— for on that one. let us know what you— for on that one. let us know what you think— for on that one. let us know what you think about- 2" let us know what you think about that debate.— what you think about that debate-think- what you think about that debate. think syntaxes what you think about that debate. you think syntaxes what you think about that debate. you thinkk syntaxes what you think about that debate. you think they're xes what you think about that debate. you think they're moral work? do you think they're moral eve— work? do you think they're moral evene—alplel work? do you think they're moral evene—alple .| even? anyway, up next is albie. ana—lo— even? anyway, up next is albie. ana—lo tall- even? anyway, up next is albie. and _to talk about. and he is going to talk about why— and he is going to talk about vnv-plnen— and he is going to talk about vnv-plnen al— and he is going to talk about why-blush at the- and he is going to talk about why blush at the thought why brits blush at the thought of nakedness. _ why brits blush at the thought of nakedness. let's start the cloak. — of nakedness. let's start the clock. albie— of nakedness. let's start the clock. albie start— of nakedness. let's start the clock. albie start that clock. on— clock. albie start that clock. on nnnon— clock. albie start that clock. our british attitudes- clock. albie start that clock. our british attitudes towards nudhy our british attitudes towards nudity prudish or prudent channel 4 shocked the nation this week with the launch of their new show, naked education dividing opinion, a new television show about all things in the buff bosoms, breast and bottoms, adults stripping off in front of teenagers to teach the nafion front of teenagers to teach the nation all about their bodies. is this deeply concerning and inappropriate ? as tory mps inappropriate? as tory mps miriam cates and jonathan gullis say, or is it a useful antidote to airbrushed pictures? perfect

celebrities and unrealistic ? celebrities and unrealistic? germans embrace fkk free body culture. many sunbathe visit saunas and hike naked . it's not saunas and hike naked. it's not seen as voyeuristic or sexual, but natural and liberating. is it time we brits loosened up a bit? we all have bodies . is bit? we all have bodies. is a new tv show teaching us a little bit more about them? really as horrific as some people say . horrific as some people say. what do you think a brits prudish or prudent about nudity? well there we go. so it has been a pn— well there we go. so it has been a on on— well there we go. so it has been a on on a— well there we go. so it has been a bit of a controversial- w242 "v22; 22 so it has been a bit of a controversial week for cnannel— a bit of a controversial week for channel 4. _ a bit of a controversial week for channel 4. 12:2 "2 a bit of a controversial week for channel 4. 32223 a bit of a controversial week for channel 4. 12:2 "2 ”v22; for channel 4. many people are saying it might be a bit of a gimmick to get people talking about we're talking about it. and we're talking about it. and we're talking about evening. but about about it this evening. but alex phillips , interested to alex phillips, i'm interested to hear have to say about alex phillips, i'm interested to hear because have to say about alex phillips, i'm interested to hear because i have to say about alex phillips, i'm interested to hear because i knowto say about alex phillips, i'm interested to hear because i know thaty about alex phillips, i'm interested to hear because i know that nudity: this, because i know that nudity and are things you're very and are things that you're very passionate about and you've got in the way , you've got strong, in the way, you've got strong, you've got very strong opinions about about them. so i wonder what you think about this television show. i think we've got age society where got to an age in society where we think how much further can

this on? you know, how much this go on? you know, how much| more when you've got, you know, nano— more when you've got, you know, music—basically. music videos that are basically eon,— music videos that are basically eon—down- soft, see, it's feeding down no— soft, see, it's feeding down no pael— soft, see, it's feeding down into fast fashion— soft, see, it's feeding down into fast fashion the way that teenage— into fast fashion the way that leenape onlo— into fast fashion the way that teenage girls are— into fast fashion the way that teenage girls are dressing when the teenage girls are dressing when ane—lol the government is having to leelelale— the government is having toi legislate _from legislate to stop minors from lnp-eennp— legislate to stop minors from injecting their— legislate to stop minors from injecting their lips with allele— injecting their lips with fillers and— injecting their lips with fillers and getting botox, you neallee— fillers and getting botox, you realise-have- fillers and getting botox, you realise-have a- fillers and getting botox, you realise have a problem . realise we do have a problem. ana— realise we do have a problem. and l— realise we do have a problem. and l eon-l— realise we do have a problem. and i don't necessarily think ann— and i don't necessarily think me navel— and i don't necessarily think this naked education show on cnannel— this naked education show on cnannel n— this naked education show on cnannel a le— this naked education show on channel 4 is the— this naked education show on channel 4 is the problem. and pennape— channel 4 is the problem. and pennape n— channel 4 is the problem. and perhaps it helpful to address perhaps it is helpful to address , vou— perhaps it is helpful to address , you know,— perhaps it is helpful to address , you know, what— perhaps it is helpful to address , you know, what real bodies loon— , you know, what real bodies lool llle. — , you know, what real bodies look like-is- , you know, what real bodies look like.-is a- , you know, what real bodies look like. is a symptom look like. but it is a symptom of look like. but it is a symptom on our— look like. but it is a symptom of age,— look like. but it is a symptom of our age, isn't— look like. but it is a symptom of our age, isn't it, that we llve— of our age, isn't it, that we llvela— of our age, isn't it, that we llvela leeplv— of our age, isn't it, that we live a deeply pornified live in a deeply pornified eoeleav— live in a deeply pornified society—sex. live in a deeply pornified. society—sex sells live in a deeply pornified- society_sex sells and society now where sex sells and anene— society now where sex sells and anene aoeen-l— society now where sex sells and there doesn't seem— society now where sex sells and there doesn't seem to be any eon— there doesn't seem to be any sort safeguarding, preventing sort of safeguarding, preventing alan— sort of safeguarding, preventing alnll felon— sort of safeguarding, preventing adult fetish being foisted on to adult fetish being foisted onto young— adult fetish being foisted on to young people- _ adult fetish being foisted on to young people. 2 adult fetish being foisted on to young people. “2 young people. and that's i think that's the crucial point, right? because screen scream because draghi screen scream drag queen. oh my god, i cannot see it . drag queen story hour. see it. drag queen story hour. that's quite the tongue. twister is in schools now, right? so i think actually, let's just go to the clip and show our viewers what it is that we're actually referencing, because i don't think it's appropriate for kids. that's point .

that's the fundamental point. physical . so that's the fundamental point. physical. so i that's the fundamental point. physical . so i couldn't look at physical. so i couldn't look at them . i don't think my cat has them. i don't think my cat has even got that much hair. you're giggling quite a_ even got that much hair. you're giggling quite a lot_ even got that much hair. you're giggling quite a lot ,- even got that much hair. you're giggling quite a lot , but- 22 2“ 2 you're giggling quite a lot, but then i'm giggling quite a lot, but then m alvave— giggling quite a lot, but then i'm always the— giggling quite a lot, but then i'm always the one that giggles . vell— i'm always the one that giggles . vvell nov— i'm always the one that giggles . well, how do— i'm always the one that giggles . well, how do you— i'm always the one that giggles . w242 22 ”22? ifeel . well, how do you feel? i feel fine . casual, cool , not- . w242 22 722? ifeel fine . casual, cool , not even fine. casual, cool, not even bothered— fine. casual, cool, not even bothered . — fine. casual, cool, not even bothered . i— fine. casual, cool, not even bothered . " fine. casual, cool, not even bothered . bothered. i mean, i've never beenin bothered. i mean, i've never been in a room with four naked people. they've never been in a with— people. they've never been in a room with four— people. they've never been in a room with four naked— they've never been in a room with four naked people . room with four naked people. maybe— room with four naked people. maybe or. — room with four naked people. maybe dr. alex— room with four naked people. maybe dr. alex has . room with four naked people. maybe dr. alex has. i'm not room with four naked people. maybe dr. alex has . i'm not sure maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . meet,— maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . euiee, you-ve— maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . elliot, you've got— maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . elliot, you've got naked people— . elliot, you've got naked people standing in front of you. yes:— people standing in front of you. yes. ._ people standing in front of you. yes. i de— people standing in front of you. yes. i do . e— people standing in front of you. yes, i do. is this— people standing in front of you. yes, i do. is this a— people standing in front of you. “22 22 is this a new thing? yes, i do. is this a new thing? a new— yes, i do. is this a new thing? a new experience?— “22 22 is this a new thing? a new experience? i'm guessing it probably— a new experience? i'm guessing be brebebby be.— a new experience? i'm guessing be brebebby be. — a new experience? i'm guessing it probably is. / c it probably is. yeah, it is a bit. i mean , albie we were told, bit. i mean, albie we were told, right, that we need the channel 4 because channel 4 is there to educate the nation. if you ask me , channel 4 was just there to me, channel 4 was just there to spread perversion throughout the nafion spread perversion throughout the nation . well, look, as i am a nation. well, look, as i am a brebeeebbeb— nation. well, look, as i am a brebeeebbeb ,— nation. well, look, as i am a professional , i— nation. well, look, as i am a professional , i did- well, look, as i am a professional , i did actually professional, i did actually webb— professional, i did actually webeb bbe— professional, i did actually watch the entire show longer then— watch the entire show longer bee-embe— watch the entire show longer than-entire clip.- watch the entire show longer than entire clip. and than that entire clip. and i webbed— than that entire clip. and i webbed b.— than that entire clip. and i watched it. and- than that entire clip. and i watched it. and i was actually quee— watched it. and i was actually we moved— watched it. and i was actually dude moved by— watched it. and i was actually quite moved by some of the conversations— quite moved by some of the conversations they were having. bbere — conversations they were having. there conversations there were conversations about

boob—nobod— there were conversations about post—natal_there| post—natal depression in there were—whet were conversations about what normed— were conversations about what nordmb body— were conversations about what normal body hair— were conversations about what normal body hair looks like, redn— normal body hair looks like, really important— normal body hair looks like, really important things. and actually— really important things. and actually normally have actually we don't normally have in actually we don't normally have m boomer— actually we don't normally have in popular society. _ actually we don't normally have in popular society. to come in popular society. so to come boob— in popular society. so to come been bo— in popular society. so to come been do end— in popular society. so to come back to what alex— in popular society. so to come back to what alex was just saying— back to what alex was just some ,— back to what alex was just some , embro— back to what alex was just saying , emily, feel that saying, emily, do you feel that actually— saying, emily, do you feel that actually maybe _ saying, emily, do you feel that actually maybe this an actually maybe this is an dnddobe— actually maybe this is an antidote-of- actually maybe this is an- antidote-of-more antidote to some of the more bone— antidote to some of the more bone of— antidote to some of the more more parts of society because mn— more parts of society because den be— more parts of society because this is showing— more parts of society because this is showing what real people boob— this is showing what real people boob bred — this is showing what real people look like? well,— this is showing what real people look like? well, i'm— this is showing what real people look like? �*fd�*2cc :22; look like? well, i'm not sure because some of the children there 14 years old. i'm not there were 14 years old. i'm not sure how much benefit it is to see adults stripped off. but i want to ask you , what is the want to ask you, what is the optimal level of nudity in society? because you were talking about germany and yes , talking about germany and yes, they sometimes like to . well, i they sometimes like to. well, i think they like naturism more than us, that sort of thing. sweden as well, um, likes to be well, be nude a little more. what's the optimal level? i don't think there is an , i don't think there is an optimal bever— don't think there is an optimal deed of— don't think there is an optimal level of nudity. _ don't think there is an optimal level of nudity. i— don't think there is an optimal level of nudity. i think it's up to individuals— level of nudity. i think it's up to individuals to— level of nudity. i think it's up to individuals to decide what they— to individuals to decide what bney-bo— to individuals to decide what bney-bo do,— to individuals to decide what bney-bo do, oe- to individuals to decide what they to do, as long as they want to do, as long as bney-re— they want to do, as long as bney-re nob— they want to do, as long as they're not harming other mobbe— they're not harming other mode r— they're not harming other people. i think that's point they're not harming other psorle. i think that's point they're not harming other psorle. question at's point they're not harming other psorle. question iss point they're not harming other psorle. question is , point they're not harming other psorle. question is , is point they're not harming other psorle. question is , is are>int . so the question is, is are bebedebon— . so the question is, is are television shows- . so the question is, is are television shows like this, barren— television shows like this, darren, harming the teenagers 14

and darren, harming the teenagers 14 ond rd— darren, harming the teenagers 14 and be bo— darren, harming the teenagers 14 and be to re— darren, harming the teenagers 14 and 14 to 16 year— darren, harming the teenagers 14 and 14 to 16 year olds that are nobenbnd— and 14 to 16 year olds that are watching them? _ and 14 to 16 year olds that are watching them? �*fd�*2cc watching them? well, as you rightly say , i haven't actually rightly say, i haven't actually watched the programme, but as i understand it, they do have trans participation in the show. so to me, this is they get that in schools these days. they get told that it's not a gingerbread man, it's a gingerbread for them or something. do they? they do do. now gender ideology on do. and now gender ideology on channel 4 news and within schools , it's everywhere. it's schools, it's everywhere. it's pervasive and it's. i don't know why we need this in front of schools and kids, but is it harmful, benjamin, for people to see all different kinds of bodies, trans bodies or otherwise? well, i'll tell you end.— otherwise? well, i'll tell you end. n— otherwise? well, i'll tell you what. if emily— otherwise? well, i'll tell you what. if emily wants- , well, i'll tell you what. if emily wants fewer nonres— what. if emily wants fewer fatties-those- what. if emily wants fewer fatties those bums put what. if emily wants fewer- fatties-those bums put me fatties seeing those bums put me off-for— fatties seeing those bums put me off-nor o— fatties seeing those bums put me off-ford bond— fatties seeing those bums put me off-for a long time- fatties seeing those bums put me off-for a long time ,- fatties seeing those bums put me off for a long time , that off eating for a long time, that nob. — off eating for a long time, that nob. rm— off eating for a long time, that was not. i'm sorry— off eating for a long time, that was not. i'm sorry if you're eodnd— was not. i'm sorry if you're eating-dinner- was not. i'm sorry if you're eating-dinner at- was not. i'm sorry if you're eating dinner at home right eating your dinner at home right mom—bnbnbl now, but look, i actually think, you— now, but look, i actually think, yon-bmen— now, but look, i actually think, yon-bmen r— now, but look, i actually think, you-when i first- now, but look, i actually think, you when i first saw about you know, when i first saw about bme— you know, when i first saw about rnre program,— you know, when i first saw about rnre p.og..m, r— you know, when i first saw about this program, i felt— this program, i felt uncomfortable about it. i monom— uncomfortable about it. i rnobgnb n— uncomfortable about it. i thought it was- uncomfortable about it. i thought it was a very peculiar bdeo. —bnere- thought it was a very peculiar idea._there not. idea. you know, is there not eomebnbnd— idea. you know, is there not something-odd- idea. you know, is there not something odd about having something a bit odd about having naked— naked adults in front of in bond— naked adults in front of in front-teenagers- naked adults in front of in front teenagers , but front of teenagers, but embody,— front of teenagers, but actually, you - front of teenagers, but actually, you know, the naked body— actually, you know, the naked. body—we body isn't inherently sexual. we nove— body isn't inherently sexual. we more needed— body isn't inherently sexual. we have created and— body isn't inherently sexual. we have created and live in a

eodeby— have created and live in a society where _ have created and live in a society where the only way in bmen— society where the only way in mm we — society where the only way in which we see _ society where the only way in which we see private parts of one— which we see private parts of one beobbe— which we see private parts of other people or— which we see private parts of other people or the suggestion of mose— other people or the suggestion of dose bone— other people or the suggestion of those parts is— other people or the suggestion of those parts is in or is in intentionally— of those parts is in or is in intentionally explicit music vbdeoe— intentionally explicit music ddeoe or— intentionally explicit music videos or films,— intentionally explicit music videos or films, those elements of endure,— videos or films, those elements of endure, we — videos or films, those elements of culture, we see— videos or films, those elements of culture, we see people's bodes— of culture, we see people's bodbee db— of culture, we see people's bodies all the— of culture, we see people's bodies all the time and it's eernobeed— bodies all the time and it's sexualised . _ bodies all the time and it's sexualised . and- bodies all the time and it's sexualised . 2 f sexualised. and actually, i think especially for our generation and a bit younger than us, you know, they are constantly subjected to artificial ideas of what other people's bodies look like . often people's bodies look like. often the people in the pictures don't even look like that. they've edhed even look like that. they've edited it. and _ even look like that. they've edited it. and so— even look like that. they've edited it. and so i- " e they've edited it. and so i think a program— edited it. and so i think a program dre— edited it. and so i think a program like this to see real bodes,— program like this to see real bodies, comfortable with bodies, to be comfortable with mose— bodies, to be comfortable with dose-om— bodies, to be comfortable with bnoee-obb on— bodies, to be comfortable with those out of sexual bodies, to be comfortable with those and out of sexual bodies, to be comfortable with those and tout of sexual bodies, to be comfortable with those and to be if sexual bodies, to be comfortable with those and to be happyiual bodies, to be comfortable with those and to be happy about context and to be happy about the context and to be happy about me nomen— context and to be happy about the human form,— context and to be happy about the human form, i think that's a good— the human form, i think that's a good-and— the human form, i think that's a good-and m— the human form, i think that's a good -and in that- the human form, i think that's a good and in that vein, good idea. and in that vein, aden—bone- good idea. and in that vein, aden—bone d- good idea. and in that vein,| alex,_take a more alex, should we take a more dem— alex, should we take a more german approach nudity? german approach to nudity? snobbd— german approach to nudity? should-seeing- german approach to nudity? should seeing more normal should we be seeing more normal naked— should we be seeing more normal naked bodes— should we be seeing more normal naked bodies in— should we be seeing more normal naked bodies in everyday life? me— naked bodies in everyday life? rne dema— naked bodies in everyday life? the germans are— naked bodies in everyday life? the germans are fine with it. web.— the germans are fine with it. web. bm— the germans are fine with it. web. in nab— the germans are fine with it. well, jim has been— the germans are fine with it. well, jim has been fine- the germans are fine with it. well, jim has been fine with things i'm not fine with for a long time. but look, these long time. but look, if these characters stood outside the school gate in buff, they'd school gate in the buff, they'd get yeah, it would be get arrested. yeah, it would be a child abuse. so

a form of child abuse. right? so i'm you know, it's i'm actually, you know, it's quite disconcerting. i think there arguments to make there are arguments to make about the body. about normalising the body. i think that's true. you know think that's true. but, you know , i was on a skiing holiday in austria christmas, austria over christmas, went into the sauna, thought i was the person in the hotel the only person in the hotel because i don't ski, went down, the only person in the hotel becinse i don't ski, went down, the only person in the hotel becin the don't ski, went down, the only person in the hotel becin the sauna;ki, went down, the only person in the hotel becin the sauna in went down, the only person in the hotel becin the sauna in we swimming sat in the sauna in my swimming costume a costume because i'm not a german. and in came an entire austrian family, all naked mother, father , children. and mother, father, children. and honestly, i felt like it was just really uncomfortable. it was awkward and yeah, no , i'm was awkward and yeah, no, i'm sorry. how long did you wait to leave ? yeah, it was kind of leave? yeah, it was kind of bre— leave? yeah, it was kind of bee, yob— leave? yeah, it was kind of like, you know,— , yeah, it was kind of like, you know, you sit there and— like, you know, you sit there and you — like, you know, you sit there and you eon— like, you know, you sit there and you sort of— like, you know, you sit there and you sort of put the thermometer- and you sort of put the thermometer on the wall and brebend— thermometer on the wall and prerend yon-re— thermometer on the wall and pretend you're bit ' 2 thermometer on the wall and- pretend you'relbit-and my pretend you're a bit hot. and my dme-o— pretend you're a bit hot. and my bmen-non— pretend you're a bit hot. and my time's-now-going. i'm. pretend you're a bit hot. and myi time's-now-going. i'm not time's up now i'm going. i'm not part naked. can i just part of family naked. can i just say.— part of family naked. can i just say. aerody— part of family naked. can i just say, surely the problem with that problem you had, that was a problem that you had, not that had. not a problem that they had. and very different, not a problem that they had. and if very different, not a problem that they had. and if there( different, not a problem that they had. and if there( diffyoud, not a problem that they had. and if there( dif1you know, right? if there is a you know, i mean-a bob- right? if there is a you know, i mean,-a lot of- right? if there is a you know, i mean, a lot of time mean, i spend a lot of time in seandbnada.— mean, i spend a lot of time in scandinavia-to- scandinavia. i've been to rbnband— scandinavia. i've been to finlandllot._ scandinavia. i've been to finland lot. and you have finland a lot. and you have naked— finland a lot. and you have naked saunas— finland a lot. and you have naked saunas naked naked saunas and non naked saunas and choose which saunas and you choose which one you saunas and you choose which one yon—mo. — saunas and you choose which one yon—mo. and- saunas and you choose which one you—into. and that's. saunas and you choose which one you if into. and that's saunas and you choose which one you if adults into. and that's saunas and you choose which one you if adults want. and that's saunas and you choose which one you if adults want to nd that's saunas and you choose which one you if adults want to sit that's fine. if adults want to sit aoud— fine. if adults want to sit around naked— fine. if adults want to sit around naked in around naked together in a sauna,-to stop. around naked together in a- sauna,-to stop them? sauna, who am ito stop them? be— sauna, who am ito stop them? it's-different— sauna, who am ito stop them? it's different adults

it's very different adults ebandbnd—bni it's very different adults standing—in of standing there naked in front of teenagers.— teenagers. right. and i can see anab— teenagers. right. and i can see mad-be,— teenagers. right. and i can see that-is,-know,- that this is, you know, a program— program that has been thoughtfully together some thoughtfully put together some mbdnb— thoughtfully put together some men aruee — thoughtfully put together some mrgnr ar.gue lb— thoughtfully put together some might argue. it does beg the might argue. but it does beg the gueedon— question, if that's acceptable, why— question, if that's acceptable, ruby-daemo— question, if that's acceptable, why - parents turn - question, if that's acceptable, why parents turn up in the why can't parents turn up in the bun— why can't parents turn up in the bud ab— why can't parents turn up in the bud ab ane— why can't parents turn up in the buff at the-gate- why can't parents turn up in the buff at the-gate ?- why can't parents turn up in the buff at the gate ? what's buff at the school gate? what's the buff at the school gate? what's bne-e — buff at the school gate? what's the-? benjamin- the difference? benjamin butterworth, do you see the jump from channel four's naked education to parents turning up to the buff to pick up their children? no, but i mean, look , children? no, but i mean, look, you— children? no, but i mean, look, you mow,— children? no, but i mean, look, you mow, on— children? no, but i mean, look, you know, on the— children? no, but i mean, look, you know, on the one- 2 2 ”2"? no, but i mean, look, you know, on the one hand, 2 2 ”2“? no, but i mean, look, you know, on the one hand, you naked— you know, on the one hand, you see naked bike— you know, on the one hand, you see naked bike rides, for examine,— see naked bike rides, for example, certainly in central bondon. — example, certainly in central london. unfortunately, that's something people and something that people do. and i don't know , when i'm having don't you know, when i'm having a in i don't really a latte in soho, i don't really want to see sort of, you know, 200 aged men with 200 middle aged men with with their think their bits out. right. i think it's but actually, you it's odd, but actually, you know, been journey know, i've been on a journey this this question this week about this question because we should become because i think we should become more comfortable. you know, i, i am that inclination an i am not of that inclination an i have no desire to be a naturist , but you'll be relieved to , but you'll all be relieved to know don't like to show my know i don't like to show my body off right ? i like to be body off right? i like to be sort of fully covered, you know, that's my preference. but then do i have that preference? because i have problematic ideas about what the body is meant to

look this would look like. and this would overcome it. and that's the conclusion come to. you conclusion i've come to. you know i'm sure know what? i'm not i'm not sure as know what? i'm not i'm not sure aelbeenager— know what? i'm not i'm not sure aslteenagerlwould- , i'm not i'm not sure as teenager would actually as a teenager it would actually make— as a teenager it would actually make-feeb— as a teenager it would actually make feel comfortable. make me feel more comfortable. i amne— make me feel more comfortable. i bnbnblmbgnb— make me feel more comfortable. i think might actually make me think it might actually make me feel think it might actually make me feed—eeebngl feel more anxious. thus seeing the feel more anxious. thus seeing me naked— feel more anxious. thus seeing the naked bodies— feel more anxious. thus seeing the naked bodies up there, it eenabnby— the naked bodies up there, it certainly might— the naked bodies up there, it certainly might make me more beardub— certainly might make me more fearfub. de— certainly might make me more fearfub. be a— certainly might make me more fearful. as a 14— certainly might make me more fearful. as a 14 year old of the mare— fearful. as a 14 year old of the mabe body,— fearful. as a 14 year old of the mabe body, n— fearful. as a 14 year old of the male body, ifisaw_ fearful. as a 14 year old of the male body, if saw naked man male body, if i saw a naked man ebandbng— male body, if i saw a naked man erandmg ngnb— male body, if i saw a naked man standing right in— male body, if i saw a naked man standing right in front of me or , vou— standing right in front of me or , you mow,— standing right in front of me or , you mow, nary— standing right in front of me or , you know, hairy with his with his , you know, hairy with his with me gennabe— , you know, hairy with his with his genitals out,— , you know, hairy with his with his genitals out, that would aebuaby— his genitals out, that would actually probably be quite an bndmbdadng— actually probably be quite an intimidating and actually probably be quite an. intimidating—and not intimidating experience. and not eomebnbng— intimidating experience. and not something necessarily something that i necessarily need— something that i necessarily need bo— something that i necessarily need to respect— something that i necessarily need to respect or or enjoy even or beam— need to respect or or enjoy even or beam from — need to respect or or enjoy even or beam from ad— need to respect or or enjoy even or learn from at the— need to respect or or enjoy even or learn from at the age of 14. bomb— or learn from at the age of 14. bon-b you— or learn from at the age of 14. don't you think— or learn from at the age of 14. don't you think ? _ or learn from at the age of 14. don't you think ? don't you think? but a few years earlier than that, you know, it wouldn't be remotely odd that a parent and their child, you know, each other know, would might see each other naked to have naked. well, i'm going to have to naked. well, i'm going to have bo-you— naked. well, i'm going to have bo-you on— naked. well, i'm going to have to-you off there,— 2 well, i'm going to have to you off there, benjamin, to cut you off there, benjamin, beue— to cut you off there, benjamin, because—still. because coming up, we still nave. — because coming up, we still have. _actually- because coming up, we still have. 2 have. well, actually yours, the benjamin's let ipsis benjamin's bugbear. let ipsis vexed. and of course , darren's vexed. and of course, darren's debate. benjamin. benjamin is up first, though, and he's going to tell us about thinks we tell us about why he thinks we need immigration action. need more immigration action. don't this could get

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to the and to look after the health and social elderly. but social care of our elderly. but not this not one politician in this country bleeding country will say the bleeding obvious workers and obvious we need more workers and that the that means more immigrants. the birth is birth rate in this country is expected just 1.45. expected to fall to just 1.45. it be two to it would have to be over two to madman— it would have to be over two to maintain—amount. maintain the current amount of bobubadon— maintain the current amount of. bobubadon—beobbe population and a third of people born— population and a third of people bom-eee— population and a third of people born-see their- born today will see their 100th bbnnday. — birthday. the truth is, immigrants contribute more than the born person the average british born person by £2,300 a year. we're going the average british born person by £2,3for a year. we're going the average british born person by £2,3for pensions, we're going the average british born person by £2,3for pensions, if e're going the average british born person by £2,3for pensions, if we're oing to pay for pensions, if we're going public going to pay for public services, workers services, we need more workers to the 2.6 million to fill the 2.6 million vacancies going vacancies that we're going to have in this economy by 2030. and britain should have in this economy by 2030. and borders. ritain should have in this economy by 2030. and borders. butn should have in this economy by 2030. and borders. butn sh0|do have in this economy by 2030. and think? orders. butn sh0|do have in this economy by 2030. and think? orde sure utn sh0| do have in this economy by 2030. and think? orde sure utn all do you think? i'm sure you all agree silence . alex, you agree silence. alex, you obviously were a brexit party mep and immigration was a big question there. what do you make of this? look, it's about controlling _ of this? look, it's about controlling our- 57 look, it's about controlling our immigration, not erobbbng— controlling our immigration, not stopping immigration altogether . if stopping immigration altogether . b you— stopping immigration altogether . b you do— stopping immigration altogether . if you do make— stopping immigration altogether . if you do make valid points aboub— . if you do make valid points about-migrants- . if you do make valid points about migrants to come . if you do make valid points ab and migrants to come . if you do make valid points ab and in migrants to come . if you do make valid points ab and in fill igrants to come . if you do make valid points ab and in fill positions come . if you do make valid points ab and in fill positions inyme in and fill in fill positions in drab— in and fill in fill positions in vital sectors— in and fill in fill positions in vital sectors such as the nhs , vital sectors such as the nhs, euen— vital sectors such as the nhs, euen-bbebbng,- vital sectors such as the nhs, such _picking, but. such as in fruit picking, but you— such as in fruit picking, but you bubb— such as in fruit picking, but you iueb nave— such as in fruit picking, but you just have to— such as in fruit picking, but you just have to look the you just have to look at the bananas— you just have to look at the statistics and— you just have to look at the statistics and the obe are quite reeenbby— statistics and the obe are quite reeenbby on— statistics and the obe are quite recently on the— statistics and the obe are quite recently on the projected rates of—be- recently on the projected rates of—be nou| of immigration, which is now going— of immigration, which is now gong-around— of immigration, which is now going around 250,000 per going to be around 250,000 per year.— going to be around 250,000 per year-babbbng— going to be around 250,000 per year.-talking about- year. you're talking about addbng— year. you're talking about addbng a— year. you're talking about adding a million people to the bobubadon— adding a million people to the population-every— adding a million people to the population every four years. population in every four years. and— population in every four years. and-ane— population in every four years. and-me one— population in every four years. and-the obe find- population in every four years. and the obe find is the

and what the obe find is the rare— and what the obe find is the rare-work,— and what the obe find is the rate lwork, the— and what the obe find is the rate work, the rate of output rate of work, the rate of output in rate of work, the rate of output bn-bneombng— rate of work, the rate of output in incoming population is no in the incoming population is no dbnerenb— in the incoming population is no different from _ in the incoming population is no different from the— in the incoming population is no different from the domestic bobubanon— different from the domestic bobubanon .— different from the domestic population . so— different from the domestic population . so yes, you might population. so yes, you might nave—bub- population. so yes, you might nave—bub youl population. so yes, you might. have _but you also have more workers, but you also ebb—mourne- have more workers, but you also still—mouths to- have more workers, but you also still mouths to feed still have more mouths to feed aoud— still have more mouths to feed around-table.— still have more mouths to feed around table. more pressure around the table. more pressure on-,_ around the table. more pressure on-, more pressure- on the nhs, more pressure on infrastructure, _ on the nhs, more pressure on. infrastructure, _ on infrastructure, more pressure on nouebng.— infrastructure, more pressure on nouebng.-ue— infrastructure, more pressure on housing.-we don't- infrastructure, more pressure on housing. we don't have housing. i mean, we don't have enougn— housing. i mean, we don't have enougn noueee— housing. i mean, we don't have enough houses in— housing. i mean, we don't have enough houses in country. enough houses in this country. it's enough houses in this country. be our— enough houses in this country. it's our generation that suffers from — it's our generation that suffers from man — it's our generation that suffers from that. it's— it's our generation that suffers from that. it's very clear that a bob— from that. it's very clear that a bob on— from that. it's very clear that a lot of public— from that. it's very clear that a lot of public services and a nuge—ebrabn. - a lot of public services and a huge—strain. we. a lot of public services and a. huge—strain. we live huge amounts of strain. we live in huge amounts of strain. we live bn-bnbabn— huge amounts of strain. we live in-britain and- huge amounts of strain. we live in-britain and so- huge amounts of strain. we live in britain and so you in backlog britain and so you cannot— in backlog britain and so you cannot bubb— in backlog britain and so you cannot just have— in backlog britain and so you cannot just have unfettered bmmbgradon— cannot just have unfettered immigration ._ cannot just have unfettered immigration . you need to have immigration. you need to have eeeorb— immigration. you need to have eeeborleeebor— immigration. you need to have eeeborleeebor ,— immigration. you need to have sector sector , proper sector by sector, proper eonbrobe— sector by sector, proper controls and - sector by sector, proper controls and points based controls and a points based system— controls and a points based system -works. - controls and a points based system works. the controls and a points based system -works. the we've system that works. the one we've got system that works. the one we've gob—defuneb- system that works. the one we've gob—defunct -l got at the moment is defunct. n-e— got at the moment is defunct. bde ueeeeeb— got at the moment is defunct. it's useless. hasn't done it's useless. it hasn't done anyrnbng— it's useless. it hasn't done anybnbng ro— it's useless. it hasn't done anything to stem the tide of beobbe— anything to stem the tide of. beobbe—eounbry anything to stem the tide of- beobbe—eounbry . people coming into the country. we people coming into the country. bue-ane— people coming into the country. bue-ane-eon- people coming into the country. bue-ane-eon of- we need the right sort of women— we need the right sort of workers-right. we need the right sort of workers - right of workers with the right sort of qualifications— workers with the right sort of qualifications need qualifications and we do need a cap— qualifications and we do need a cab-ne— qualifications and we do need a eablne-bban— cap so we can plan infrastructure . cap so we can plan- infrastructure . but i mean, infrastructure. but i mean, look, i think it's clear that there of sectors there are lots of sectors where there are lots of sectors where there workers. so there aren't enough workers. so you about the health and you talk about the health and social sector , which is one social care sector, which is one of the lowest and of of the lowest paid and one of the know , the the toughest jobs. you know, the people that are just people that do that are just remarkable people, they remarkable people, and they often most often do it for the most brilliant but how is it

brilliant reasons. but how is it justifiable if you don't want many more migrants? why do you say to someone's nan and grandad, oh, you can't get the health care you need health care that you need because there's one in the because there's no one in the country you need where we country is you do need where we have gaps in our labour have huge gaps in our labour market plugged, have huge gaps in our labour markabsolutely plugged, have huge gaps in our labour markabsolutely . we plugged, have huge gaps in our labour markabsolutely . we takeigged, then absolutely. we take babenbed— then absolutely. we take talented people,- “2“ 222 we take talented people, people with 2“ 222 we take talented people, people with the regubebe— talented people, people with the requisite skills— talented people, people with the requisite skills other requisite skills from other bane— requisite skills from other bane-nond- requisite skills from other parts world. but what we parts of the world. but what we nave— parts of the world. but what we nave ab— parts of the world. but what we have at-moment_ parts of the world. but what we have at-moment is- parts of the world. but what we have at moment is an have at the moment is an bmmbgradon— have at the moment is ani immigration—is immigration system that is abbonbng— immigration system that is abbornng nay— immigration system that is allowing way too many people and that-contributing— allowing way too many people and that-contributing to- allowing way too many people and that contributing to the that aren't contributing to the eoomy— that aren't contributing to the eeonomylbne — that aren't contributing to the economy-the way- that aren't contributing to the economy the way that people that aren't contributing to the econo that the way that people that aren't contributing to the econo that the way can: people argue that migrants can contribute— argue that migrants can contribute economy argue that migrants can- contribute-economy and contribute to the economy and bnebead—a- contribute to the economy and instead—a huge- instead are putting a huge enam— instead are putting a huge enabn on— instead are putting a huge strain on our— instead are putting a huge strain on our public services. so strain on our public services. so-you— strain on our public services. bo-you need— strain on our public services. bo-you need be- strain on our public services. so-you need is a- strain on our public services. so you need is a degree of so what you need is a degree of dbeeemmenb— so what you need is a degree of discernment about— so what you need is a degree of discernment about this. you need to discernment about this. you need bo be— discernment about this. you need do be abbe— discernment about this. you need do be abbe bo— discernment about this. you need to be able to differentiate between— to be able to differentiate between _who - to be able to differentiate- between _who - going between people who are going to come-add— between people who are going to come-add bo— between people who are going to come _add to the - between people who are going to come add to the economy come in and add to the economy and— come in and add to the economy and mose— come in and add to the economy and those people— come in and add to the economy and those people who going and those people who are going to, and those people who are going bo-be— and those people who are going bo-be a— and those people who are going bo-be a dam— and those people who are going to,-be a drain on- and those people who are going to,-be a drain on it.- to, frankly be a drain on it. and— to, frankly be a drain on it. and mere-e— to, frankly be a drain on it. and there's another factor that beobbe— people don't like talking about unen— people don't like talking about when immigration, when it comes to immigration, and—integration. and that is social integration as web — and that is social integration as web and— and that is social integration as well. and the— and that is social integration as well. and the more you have eommunbdee— as well. and the more you have communities that— as well. and the more you have communities that become balkanised,_ communities that become balkanised, that become sort of bobaneed— balkanised, that become sort of bobaneed and— balkanised, that become sort of polarised and live— balkanised, that become sort of polarised and live in their own eon— polarised and live in their own eon on— polarised and live in their own sort of little— polarised and live in their own sort of little streets and neighbourhoods and don't mix unn— neighbourhoods and don't mix urban—ane— neighbourhoods and don't mix with the population, with the rest of the population, it with the rest of the population, b—enabne— with the rest of the population, b—enabne on- it puts huge strains on societies. _ it puts huge strains on societies. you- it puts huge strains on societies. you just have to go

to societies. you just have to go bo-eoaebab— societies. you just have to go to coastal communities and to some coastal communities and see to some coastal communities and eee—eneebel see how much their high streets nave— see how much their high streets nave obanged— see how much their high streets have changed. and you have changed. and then you euddenby— have changed. and then you suddenly realise— have changed. and then you suddenly realise that this is a nuge— suddenly realise that this is a nuge bmbaeb— suddenly realise that this is a nuge bmbaer. — suddenly realise that this is a huge impact. 2 suddenly realise that this is a huge impact . 2 22 huge impact. albie what do you think that? it think about that? is it a problem of trying to get people from to from different backgrounds to integrate? i think over integrate? look i think over over the years since we've had mass migration into the united kingdom, some kingdom, there are some communities integrated communities who have integrated much other much better than other communities. i think about my communities. if i think about my grandparents who came over from west ghana, fact, and west africa, ghana, in fact, and a lot of the commonwealth migrants who came over in the 50 seconds seconds, think seconds and 60 seconds, i think people that people would probably argue that they well integrated. people would probably argue that theyof well integrated. people would probably argue that theyof course well integrated. people would probably argue that theyof course , well integrated. people would probably argue that theyof course , despite tegrated. people would probably argue that theyof course , despite that ited. people would probably argue that theyof course , despite that ati. but of course, despite that at the time people were very anti them coming over as well and they were, of course, were coming fill the jobs we coming to fill the jobs that we needed time needed to be filled at the time . so there's issue, . so there's always this issue, this this disconnect the this this disconnect between the jobs that we need filling in the united kingdom and that united kingdom and the jobs that the population in are the native population in are willing do. and it seems at willing to do. and it seems at the moment for the past 40, 50 years, way that plug that years, the way that we plug that is through immigration. think is through immigration. i think actually what need is actually what we need to do is encourage native population encourage the native population to children so that we

to have more children so that we can we can actually can actually we can actually fill jobs with the native fill these jobs with the native born population that's long born population. that's a long term strategy, though. immigration in the short term, and to that to and i was going to put that to you, darren, because jacob rees—mogg well, good luck you rees—mogg well, good luck if you have , you'll find have children, you'll find a wife eventually. but you know, jacob rees—mogg of this parish put this argument on his programme recently that we need a pro—natal approach. we need people to have more kids. but i bet jacob rees—mogg would oppose having mass immigration. so tell me, how do you how do you square that? because we need more people to people and you're not going to get kids at 18 straight away. that decades. ithink that takes two decades. i think other it much other countries do it much beater— other countries do it much beater-do- other countries do it much better-do in- other countries do it much. better-do in actually better than we do in actually eneouragbng— better than we do in actually encouraging people get encouraging people to get named— encouraging people to get married—stayl married and actually stay bogebner— married and actually stay together and— married and actually stay together and children. together and have children. we nave— together and have children. we have lterrible_ together and have children. we have terrible system in this have a terrible system in this country,— have a terrible system in this eounrry, bmen— have a terrible system in this country, which i— have a terrible system in this country, which i think we should aebuabby—b— country, which i think we should actually-it through. actually encourage it through the actually encourage it through bne-eyebem — actually encourage it through the-system-but- actually encourage it through the system but right . the tax system even. but right. i the tax system even. but right. b bnbnb— the tax system even. but right. b bnbnb many— the tax system even. but right. i think many viewers, though, ben— i think many viewers, though, ben ben-amm— i think many viewers, though, ben benjamin will be watching and eaybng— ben benjamin will be watching and saying, well,— ben benjamin will be watching and saying, well, had 500,000 beobbe— and saying, well, had 500,000 beobbe come— and saying, well, had 500,000 people come here— and saying, well, had 500,000 people come here last year, it's predated— people come here last year, it's predicted that— people come here last year, it's predicted that 80,000 people are going— predicted that 80,000 people are gobngleome— predicted that 80,000 people are gobngleome oer— predicted that 80,000 people are going come over those going to come over in those emabb— going to come over in those small boats,— going to come over in those small boats, tom, dick or harry.

and— small boats, tom, dick or harry. and b— small boats, tom, dick or harry. and it primarily— small boats, tom, dick or harry. and it primarily is— small boats, tom, dick or harry. and it primarily is tom dick or harry,— and it primarily is tom dick or harry, beue— and it primarily is tom dick or harry, because it's— and it primarily is tom dick or harry, because it's young men eombng— harry, because it's young men eombng-and— harry, because it's young men coming and they're saying , coming over and they're saying, unab— coming over and they're saying, unab nond— coming over and they're saying, what world are _ coming over and they're saying, what world are you living in? in unden— what world are you living in? in unben mere— what world are you living in? in which there isn't— what world are you living in? in which there isn't already mass mbgradon— which there isn't already mass mbgradon bo— which there isn't already mass migration to this— which there isn't already mass migration to this country ? migration to this country? i mean, we know— migration to this country? i mean, we know that- migration to this country? i mean, we know that the number of immigrants isn't enough because mean, we know that the number of immigwhy; isn't enough because mean, we know that the number of immigwhy so n't enough because mean, we know that the number of immigwhy so manyough because mean, we know that the number of immigwhy so many sectors cause mean, we know that the number of immigwhy so many sectors can't that's why so many sectors can't keep going . do we need you go keep going. do we need you go around country you will around this country and you will see bars and see pubs and bars and restaurants across this country have adverts in the window. we need more staff . you try to get need more staff. you try to get a for supermarket or a booking for a supermarket or to go and see the shelves to go in and see the shelves being they need being stacked. they say we need more. basically more. so you're basically finish. because finish. let me finish because i'm sorry, but when you sit there and you say that we shouldn't have immigrants, shouldn't have more immigrants, what you're saying to those british you can't british businesses is you can't grow. can't sell those grow. you can't sell those products because there's no one to job. the british to do the job. the british geome— to do the job. the british beobbe, ane— 22 the british people, the working class is anab— people, the working class is mad—donn- people, the working class is. that—don't matter that their wages don't matter and— that their wages don't matter and ne— that their wages don't matter and the depression of their wages— and the depression of their wages are irrelevant to you beue— wages are irrelevant to you because-want- wages are irrelevant to you because want people in because you want people in coffee—youl because you want people in. coffee _you know coffee shops. but do you know why— coffee shops. but do you know uny-eombanbee- coffee shops. but do you know why-companies ? - coffee shops. but do you know why companies ? o“2 coffee shops. but do you know- why-companies ? one of the why those companies? one of the reasons they're finding it hard to recruit people because to recruit people is because they're offering wages that are below par, that people can

barely live on. and one of the reasons why is because housing and the rental market is just absolutely ridiculous. london, for example , and i don't for example, and i don't understand how someone on minimum wage working in a pub or in a supermarket or wherever can actually afford to live . and actually afford to live. and yes, you can get migrants from abroad who may all live , you abroad who may all live, you know, in one tiny, one bedroom flat, six of them or whatever, for a couple of years , and then for a couple of years, and then they back home or whatever . they go back home or whatever. but that's not really sustainable. need british sustainable. and we need british people working these people to be working in these jobs. people to be working in these jobs . so need come up with jobs. so we need to come up with a know, a more a more, you know, a more sustainable economy where not every just every year you're just encouraged hundreds and hundreds of people to come of thousands of people to come to those basically those to fill those basically those gaps. you just oh, gaps. you just think, oh, migrants can take those. we shouldn't have an 2 2.2“ we shouldn't have an immigration cap shouldn't have an immigrationl cap—we cap as far as i'm concerned. we should— cap as far as i'm concerned. wei should—targets should have immigration targets to—many- should have immigration targets to—many peoplel to try and get as many people here—but- to try and get as many people here—but there. to try and get as many people here—but there isi here as possible. but there is another— here as possible. but there is another angle— here as possible. but there is another angle to— here as possible. but there is another angle to that where are here as possible. but there is anotigoing gle to that where are here as possible. but there is anotigoing to to that where are here as possible. but there is anotigoing to live? at where are here as possible. but there is anotigoing to live? benjaminire they going to live? benjamin what— they going to live? benjamin. what—that what i was going to say is thati one—with one problem we have with with migrant— one problem we have with with migrant money— one problem we have with with migrant money is— one problem we have with with migrant money is the super rich russians— migrant money is the super rich russians ,— migrant money is the super rich russians , chinese— migrant money is the super rich russians , chinese foreign russians, chinese foreign billionaires— russians, chinese foreign billionaires who buy big glass

towers— billionaires who buy big glass towers ott— billionaires who buy big glass towers, put them— billionaires who buy big glass towers, put them in places like eerttrot— towers, put them in places like central london,— towers, put them in places like central london, but no one oetwottw— central london, but no one actually lives— central london, but no one actually lives in- central london, but no one actually lives in those homes. we actually lives in those homes. we-stoo— actually lives in those homes. we-stotttot. - actually lives in those homes. we stop that. 3:22“ actually lives in those homes.- we-stop that. well, on we need to stop that. well, on that— we need to stop that. well, on trot-ts— we need to stop that. well, on trot-tste-we- we need to stop that. well, on that is we've got that note, that is all we've got time for on that one. let us know you think. still know what you think. but still ahead, lex, is vexed. alex will fill in on why she thinks fill us in on why she thinks protesters being controlled protesters are being controlled by trying to by shady companies trying to keep us divided. keep it.

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knickers in a twist about lgbtq rights in qatar or, you know, talking about whether trans people have penises or don't have penises , you're probably have penises, you're probably doing the bidding of dark forces that you've got no idea about. you're either working on behalf of big tech , big food, or even of big tech, big food, or even worse , actual enemies of the worse, actual enemies of the west. yep i'm talking about foreign influencers who use farms of bots, essentially to drive and amplify big debates in society in the west to tear us apart . it no more society in the west to tear us apart. it no more is society in the west to tear us apart . it no more is activism . apart. it no more is activism. people rising up to push progress in society forward. it's being imposed upon us from the top . and you really have to the top. and you really have to ask yourself why? well there you go. you got five seconds left. wttttrt— go. you got five seconds left. wttttrt twe— 22 you got five seconds left. within five seconds, within a mtrwte. — within five seconds, within a one minute. but— within five seconds, within a one minute. but when i'm listening to that, i think , oh, listening to that, i think, oh, there we go. there we go. countdown— there we go. there we go. countdown is— there we go. there we go. countdown is over. - "r“22; 22 there we go. countdown is over. \r 2.2; “2:22; 22 there we go. countdown is over. \r 2.2; 2 countdown is over. nice big retest— countdown is over. nice big block somewhere . you know, i block somewhere. you know, i don't have one in my head internally, although i should do as a podcast . when internally, although i should do as a podcast. when i was ttsterttrte— as a podcast. when i was ttsterttrte to— as a podcast. when i was listening to you,- as a podcast. when i was listening to you, i- 32 when i was listening to you, i was thinking of listening to you, i was thinking ot trot— listening to you, i was thinking ot trot toot.— listening to you, i was thinking of tick tock. i— listening to you, i was thinking of tick tock. i scroll through

trot— of tick tock. i scroll through trot-erst- of tick tock. i scroll through trot-erst rt- of tick tock. i scroll through tick-and it does. of tick tock. i scroll through- tick-and it does seem tick tock a lot and it does seem toltrtot— tick tock a lot and it does seem to.that certain— tick tock a lot and it does seem to that certain messaging is to be that certain messaging is being— to be that certain messaging is better trustee— to be that certain messaging is better owstet .— to be that certain messaging is being pushed . and are you being pushed. and are you arguing— being pushed. and are you orgwtrtg trot— being pushed. and are you arguing that some of those content— arguing that some of those content creators— arguing that some of those content creators could be bots or there— content creators could be bots or there ts— content creators could be bots or there ts o— content creators could be bots or there is a lot— content creators could be bots or there is a lot of— content creators could be bots or there is a lot of content being— or there is a lot of content being created— or there is a lot of content being created and certain eomootgrts— being created and certain campaigns that are being heavily toreet— campaigns that are being heavily toreet wooe— campaigns that are being heavily toreet “p0" ts— campaigns that are being heavily forced upon us which are being essertttottw— forced upon us which are being essentially curated and choreographed by people who do not choreographed by people who do rtot trowe— choreographed by people who do not have or— choreographed by people who do not have our best— choreographed by people who do not have our best intentions at heart. — not have our best intentions at heart. vow— not have our best intentions at heart. you know,— not have our best intentions at heart. 42. 2.21 not have our best intentions at heart. 42. 2:21 :2“ not have our best intentions at heart. /2:. 2.21 2'“ heart. you know, earlier on we started in this program talking about obesity and the vegan craze. well, it really helped big food. if people into big food. if people get into diets that they can't make at home, they can continue to manufacture stuff to sell us, even it's not particularly even if it's not particularly healthy or good for us. one thing really bothered me thing that really bothered me was lgbtqi outcry. outcry in was the lgbtqi outcry. outcry in qatar during the world cup. i mean , we don't seem to have this mean, we don't seem to have this when the england cricket team go and indies who and play in the west indies who also , two also outlaw homosexuality, two thirds of the world do in fact. so why particularly well, so why particularly qatar? well, i can tell you why. it's because at that moment when opec at that moment in time when opec were putting up prices to were putting up oil prices to help russia fund their in

help russia fund their war in ukraine, was selling us ukraine, qatar was selling us lng and getting us out of a very, very sticky hole when it came the energy crisis. and came to the energy crisis. and did opec want that? no. who was funding that campaign? it was the uae it was saudi. i the uae and it was saudi. i mean, just that's mean, i just think that's practically— mean, i just think that's practically conspiracy theory. practically a conspiracy theory. it's practically a conspiracy theory. n-s-ws— practically a conspiracy theory. n-s-ws true. — practically a conspiracy theory. it's-it's true. it's- practically a conspiracy theory. it's-it's true. it's not- it's true. it's true. it's not a conspiracy theory, but it's not. it true. it's not true it is true. it's not true because— it is true. it's not true because i— it is true. it's not true because i didn't- c it's not true because i didn't care about it is true. it's not true- because i didn't care about the neme— because i didn't care about the rights-lesbian- because i didn't care about the rights-lesbian or- rights of gay or lesbian or trans— rights of gay or lesbian or trees people— rights of gay or lesbian or trans people qatar because trans people in qatar because because— trans people in qatar because because of— trans people in qatar because because of oil— trans people in qatar because because of oil prices, i cared about— because of oil prices, i cared about it— because of oil prices, i cared about it because— because of oil prices, i cared about it because i'm a gay pesos.— about it because i'm a gay psop. apo— about it because i'm a gay person. and think that's a person. and i think that's a map— person. and i think that's a. moral—business moral obligation that business is spot— moral obligation that business is spot this— moral obligation that business is that this country celebrates. vou— is that this country celebrates. you should— is that this country celebrates. you should be— is that this country celebrates. you should be like clearly had no you should be like clearly had poo-assump— you should be like clearly had no-actually, that- you should be like clearly had. no _actually, that-of no idea. actually, that a lot of that pushed that campaign was being pushed and uae and saudi and funded by the uae and saudi . but it wasn't the point. it wasn't a campaign pushed by them.— wasn't a campaign pushed by them-_a— wasn't a campaign pushed by them. a campaign them. it was a campaign that opinion— them. it was a campaign that million tens— them. it was a campaign that million tens millions of million tens of millions of people— million tens of millions of 20.2 up— million tens of millions of people in countries that are more—feu- people in countries that are more _felt on i people in countries that are more _felt on an more progressive felt on an pusuuouve— more progressive felt on an instinctive level— more progressive felt on an instinctive level . i don't think instinctive level. i don't think people—oo- instinctive level. i don't think people-at home- instinctive level. i don't think people at home thought people watching at home thought that you— people watching at home thought that you shouldn't— people watching at home thought that you shouldn't stone gays in oesop— that you shouldn't stone gays in oases—prisesl qatar because of the oil prices. t hey— qatar because of the oil prices. they-inherently- qatar because of the oil prices. they-inherently . l they knew that inherently. okay. — they knew that inherently. okoy. so— they knew that inherently. okay. so albie,— they knew that inherently. okay. so albie, what- they knew that inherently. okay. so albie, what do you think think think about this? do you think that these zeitgeist that all of these zeitgeist that are happening in the are suddenly happening in the 21st organic, or do 21st century are organic, or do

you an argument you think there's an argument to say being created? say that they're being created? i would that , but say that they're being created? i would that, but i say that they're being created? i would that , but i take i would say that, but i take your point with everything you're saying about what happenedin you're saying about what happened in qatar. but if i can speak about— happened in qatar. but if i can speak about something- : “ �* but if i can speak about something which maybe— speak about something which maybe-mue- speak about something which maybe-little bit- speak about something which maybe little bit more maybe i have a little bit more eperience— experience with, if i think apoui— experience with, if i think- apoui—nou about blm, for example, now i know— about blm, for example, now i know or— about blm, for example, now i know some of the— about blm, for example, now i know some of the people, much as i know some of the people, much as i—rnen— know some of the people, much as i—inen ,— know some of the people, much as i—inen , uno- i disagree with them, who arraneg— arrange some of the blm organisations— arrange some of the blm organisations in liverpool, arrange some of the blm organisations in liverpool , for organisations in liverpool, for exanpie— organisations in liverpool, for eoanpie. nou— organisations in liverpool, for example. now i— organisations in liverpool, for example. now i know the people inac— example. now i know the people inai organise— example. now i know the people that organise elm— example. now i know the people that organise blm in liverpool noi— that organise blm in liverpool were not being— that organise blm in liverpool were not being funded by big recn— were not being funded by big recn they— were not being funded by big tech, they were— were not being funded by big tech, they were not being funded by big— tech, they were not being funded by pie inarna— tech, they were not being funded by pie inarna ,— tech, they were not being funded by big pharma , they were not by big pharma, they were not being— by big pharma, they were not being runner— by big pharma, they were not being funded by— by big pharma, they were not being funded by big oil. these peopie— being funded by big oil. these were people, black people, black nriiisn— were people, black people, black nririsn peopie— were people, black people, black british people who— were people, black people, black british people who felt way british people who felt the way inac— british people who felt the way inai they— british people who felt the way that they were _ british people who felt the way that they were treated was that they were being treated was wrong— that they were being treated was wrong anci— that they were being treated was wrong and new— that they were being treated was wrong and they wanted to do soneining— wrong and they wanted to do something-that- wrong and they wanted to do something-that .- wrong and they wanted to do something that . now, something about that. now, wneiner— something about that. now, whether-not— something about that. now, whether-not i— something about that. now, whether not i agree or whether or not i agree or disagree— whether or not i agree or disagree it, disagree with how they did it, inaus— disagree with how they did it, wars-wing.- disagree with how they did it, that's-thing. but- that's another thing. but i ion-i— that's another thing. but i ion-i inink— that's another thing. but i don't think those people were icing— don't think those people were being influenced— don't think those people were being influenced dark being influenced by some dark iorces — being influenced by some dark iorces nui— being influenced by some dark forces. but do— being influenced by some dark forces. but do you— being influenced by some dark forces. 22 22; being influenced by some dark forces. 22 f forces. but do you notice how some campaigns suddenly gain traction and others don't ? but traction and others don't? but could they not could they not iusi— could they not could they not iusi ire — could they not could they not us be gaining— could they not could they not just be gaining traction because anew-re— just be gaining traction because they're actually— just be gaining traction because they're actually good campaigns? just be gaining traction because timean, actually good campaigns? just be gaining traction because timean, darren, good campaigns? just be gaining traction because timean, darren, gthinkampaigns? i mean, darren, i think you're a rearw— i mean, darren, i think you're a reaiiw—person- i mean, darren, i think you're a really—person to- i mean, darren, i think you're a really person to ask really interesting person to ask on anis—

really interesting person to ask on this because— really interesting person to ask on this because you better on this because you know better inan— on this because you know better than—takesl than most people what it takes to than most people what it takes ro rearw— than most people what it takes ro really pusn— than most people what it takes to really push forward a digital campaign— to really push forward a digital canpaign wnen— to really push forward a digital campaign when it comes to poiiiics— campaign when it comes to politics,-comes- campaign when it comes to politics, comes to politics, when it comes to acriwisn, — politics, when it comes to activism, when - politics, when it comes to activism, when it comes to gearing— activism, when it comes to getting _ across. activism, when it comes to. getting _ across . activism, when it comes to- getting _ across . and getting a message across. and nosi— getting a message across. and moss—wowe- getting a message across. and most—would die- getting a message across. and most—would die forl most politicians would die for the of coverage that the sort of coverage that organisations such as blm got internationally. do you see how they're quite possibly , or i'd they're quite possibly, or i'd say very definitely other forces at work deliberately amplifying , amplifying certain campaigns? absolutely. i think tick tock, nanny,— absolutely. i think tick tock, irankiw wiri— absolutely. i think tick tock, frankly, will be _ absolutely. i think tick tock, frankly, will be the ruin of nriiain— frankly, will be the ruin of britain, right?— frankly, will be the ruin of britain, right? i— frankly, will be the ruin of britain, right? i think there is a rear— britain, right? i think there is a real social— britain, right? i think there is a real social contagion that goes— a real social contagion that goes on— a real social contagion that goes on thanks— a real social contagion that goes on thanks to social media. we goes on thanks to social media. we see— goes on thanks to social media. we see-in— goes on thanks to social media. we see-in ine— goes on thanks to social media. we see in the gender we see that in the gender iaeoiogw— we see that in the gender iaeoiogw-we- we see that in the gender ideology we see that in ideology trend. we see that in aciuaiiw— ideology trend. we see that in actually pushing— ideology trend. we see that in actually pushing some of the i— actually pushing some of the more, i think,— actually pushing some of the more, i think, outrageous claims inac— more, i think, outrageous claims inai were— more, i think, outrageous claims that were made _ more, i think, outrageous claims that were made by— more, i think, outrageous claims that were made by black lives warren— that were made by black lives warren for— that were made by black lives matter, for example , that, you matter, for example, that, you know,— matter, for example, that, you know—noesn-i- matter, for example, that, you know, doesn't work know, capitalism doesn't work for inacc— know, capitalism doesn't work for black people— know, capitalism doesn't work for black people when actually it's for black people when actually is wnar-s— for black people when actually it's what's ensured that a lot of it's what's ensured that a lot oi us— it's what's ensured that a lot oi us ion-i— it's what's ensured that a lot of us don't die— it's what's ensured that a lot of us don't die at— it's what's ensured that a lot of us don't die at childbirth . of us don't die at childbirth. porn— of us don't die at childbirth. born working— of us don't die at childbirth. born working class, black or wine.— born working class, black or wniie. so— born working class, black or wniie. so i— born working class, black or white. so i think— born working class, black or white. so i think there is a rear— white. so i think there is a real problem— white. so i think there is a real problem with social media aciuaiiw— real problem with social media actually pushing— real problem with social media actually pushing these things and-messages- actually pushing these things and-messages .- actually pushing these things and messages . and and these messages. and aciuaiiw— and these messages. and aciuaiiw a— and these messages. and actually, a lot— and these messages. and actually, a lot of people with big actually, a lot of people with pig pockeis— actually, a lot of people with pig pockeis io—

actually, a lot of people with big pockets do ultimately have a bigger— big pockets do ultimately have a bigger reacn— big pockets do ultimately have a bigger reach because they're apie— bigger reach because they're aiie io— bigger reach because they're aiie io gei— bigger reach because they're able to get these messages out inere. — able to get these messages out inere. nui— able to get these messages out there. but alex,— able to get these messages out there. but alex, i'm- able to get these messages out there. 22x ”22g able to get these messages out there. 22x "222 222 there. but alex, i'm really glad you brought darren in because, of course, you two were quite formative in the brexit formative in the whole brexit campaign and you will hear campaign and what you will hear a remainers say is make a lot of remainers say is make exactly the same argument that you about blm or about you have made about blm or about lgbt rights qatar and talk lgbt rights in qatar and talk about it with the brexit argument . so i mean, what what argument. so i mean, what what do you say to that? would you argue, you erg is that argue, would you erg is that a reasonable argument for someone who you? if the who disagrees with you? if the amendment is that— 2 2 7 if the amendment is that foreign 2 2 227 if the amendment is that foreign powers 2 2 227 if the amenchave: is that foreign powers 2 2 227 if the amenchave a; that foreign powers 2 2 227 if the amenchave a vested oreign powers 2 2 227 if the amenchave a vested interest)wers 2 2 227 if the amenchave a vested interest inars might have a vested interest in crying— might have a vested interest in crying-coerce— might have a vested interest in trying coerce outcomes of trying to coerce outcomes of eieciions— trying to coerce outcomes of elections and— trying to coerce outcomes of elections and referendums in one— elections and referendums in other countries,— elections and referendums in other countries, then actually it's other countries, then actually ii-s packing— other countries, then actually is packing up— other countries, then actually it's backing up exactly what i'm saying. — it's backing up exactly what i'm saying. so— it's backing up exactly what i'm saying. so i— it's backing up exactly what i'm saying. so ii a— it's backing up exactly what i'm saying. so if a remainer said to you,— saying. so if a remainer said to you, wnw— saying. so if a remainer said to you, why was— saying. so if a remainer said to you, why was there _ saying. so if a remainer said to you, why was there foreign coercion and— you, why was there foreign coercion and did that lead to prekin— coercion and did that lead to brexit, would— coercion and did that lead to brexit, would say yes or no? brexit, would you say yes or no? i brexit, would you say yes or no? i-wnai— brexit, would you say yes or no? i-wnaiiknow— brexit, would you say yes or no? i-what.know about- brexit, would you say yes or no? i-what.know about the. i think what we know about the way social media works is i think what we know about the way the social media works is i think what we know about the way the countriesadia works is i think what we know about the way the countries like works is i think what we know about the way the countries like russia s i think what we know about the way the countries like russia , that the countries like russia, countries countries that the countries like russia, courchina countries that the countries like russia, courchina , countries that the countries like russia, courchina , are countries that the countries like russia, courchina , are reallyuntries like china, are really harnessing power of social harnessing the power of social media to amplify certain things. and their goal is to create and their end goal is to create iiwision. — and their end goal is to create iiwision. ris— and their end goal is to create division. it's not— and their end goal is to create division. it's not about one panicuiar— division. it's not about one particular outcome the other. particular outcome or the other. poure— particular outcome or the other. koure iikeiw— particular outcome or the other. you're likely-those- you're likely to have those

counines— you're likely to have those countries amplifying the iascisiic— countries amplifying the fascistic hard— countries amplifying the fascistic hard right when it io— fascistic hard right when it comes to the _ fascistic hard right when it comes to the anti blm movement, as nucn— comes to the anti blm movement, as much as they're— comes to the anti blm movement, as much as they're going to be pusning— as much as they're going to be pushing forward— as much as they're going to be pushing forward the blm message as-poini— pushing forward the blm message as-poini is— pushing forward the blm message as-poini is io— pushing forward the blm message as-poini is io irk- pushing forward the blm message as point is to try and as well. the point is to try and ceaei— as well. the point is to try and create division— as well. the point is to try and create division and— as well. the point is to try and create division and make us get iisiracieci— create division and make us get distracted-we're— create division and make us get distracted-we're at- create division and make us get distracted. we're at civil distracted. so we're at civil anci— distracted. so we're at civil and nor— distracted. so we're at civil war and not dealing with big war and not dealing with the big geopoiiiicai— war and not dealing with the big geopolitical—day.- geopolitical issues of the day. in —ii-s- geopolitical issues of the day. i-n—ii-s uiierl i'm sorry. i think it's utter madness compare russian madness to compare russian fascists goals to those of black people in america and britain or gay people in western countries who are political goals. but they're not talking- they're not talking about an inciiwiauai— they're not talking about an individual or— they're not talking about an individual or different action groups.— individual or different action groups. pui— individual or different action groups. but when these campaigns apoui— groups. but when these campaigns apoui ,— groups. but when these campaigns come about , it's— groups. but when these campaigns come about, it's because people are come about, it's because people prying— come about, it's because people prying io— come about, it's because people prying ro use— come about, it's because people are trying to use the power that pusiness— are trying to use the power that pusiness nas— are trying to use the power that business has. _ are trying to use the power that business has. and— are trying to use the power that business has. “2 are trying to use the power that business has. ' “2 2“ business has. and the companies that many millions of us work for be better because they for to be better because they have such sway in society that is a progressive thing. emily where do you stand on this? well, just thinking where do you stand on this? well,-just thinking about| well, i'm just thinking about inis— well, i'm just thinking about. this—something well, i'm just thinking about this given something well, i'm just thinking about this given much something well, i'm just thinking about this given much thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but much thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but i much thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but i doruch thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but i do ash thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but i do as i thought ng about. but i do as i said peiore— about. but i do as i said peiore, i— about. but i do as i said before, i do— about. but i do as i said before, i do wonder why some campaigns— before, i do wonder why some campaigns-io- before, i do wonder why some campaigns-to be- before, i do wonder why some campaigns to be pushed by campaigns seem to be pushed by the establishment— campaigns seem to be pushed by the establishment or by cororaespi — the establishment or by corporates. they seem to all iaicn— corporates. they seem to all iaicn on— corporates. they seem to all iaicn on io— corporates. they seem to all latch on to the— corporates. they seem to all latch on to the same trends, wneiner—

latch on to the same trends, whether-climate - whether it's the climate emergency,— whether it's the climate emergency, whether it's transgender— emergency, whether it's transgender-, - emergency, whether it's transgender , whether emergency, whether it's- transgender-, whether it's transgender rights, whether it's blmr_ transgender rights, whether it's pin-ias— transgender rights, whether it's blm, it's whatnot. but blm, whether it's whatnot. but inap— blm, whether it's whatnot. but inai-iusi— blm, whether it's whatnot. but inai-iusi pe— blm, whether it's whatnot. but inai-iusi pe a- blm, whether it's whatnot. but that just be a preference that might just be a preference for that might just be a preference ior-son— that might just be a preference for-sortlcorporatel for woke and sort of corporate sociai— for woke and sort of corporate social responsibility. but then i social responsibility. but then ilwoncier— social responsibility. but then i.wonder also,— social responsibility. but then i wonder also, are we just i do wonder also, are we just pawns— i do wonder also, are we just pawns or— i do wonder also, are we just pawns or are we being played by inesc— pawns or are we being played by inese pig— pawns or are we being played by inese pig recn— pawns or are we being played by these big tech companies to be nice— these big tech companies to be nicer twitter,— these big tech companies to be nicer twitter, tiktok, facebook , inew— nicer twitter, tiktok, facebook , inew know— nicer twitter, tiktok, facebook , anew know so— nicer twitter, tiktok, facebook , they know so much about us. they— , they know so much about us. inew know— , they know so much about us. they know what— , they know so much about us. they know what gets us going. they— they know what gets us going. inew know— they know what gets us going. they know what— they know what gets us going. they know what we're interested in. new— they know what we're interested in. inew know— they know what we're interested in. they know enrage us. in. they know what enrage us. t hey— in. they know what enrage us. inew know— in. they know what enrage us. they know what— in. they know what enrage us. they know what aggravates us. they— they know what aggravates us. inew—us- they know what aggravates us.. inew—us iaugn. they know what makes us laugh. inap— they know what makes us laugh. inn-scary— they know what makes us laugh. inai-scaw .— they know what makes us laugh. that-scary . and- they know what makes us laugh. that-scary . and i- they know what makes us laugh. that scary . and i think that is quite scary. and i think anew-re—are- that is quite scary. and i think they're-are they're. they're more they are they're more powerful— they're more they are they're more powerful than government . more powerful than government. kigni— more powerful than government. kigni reigni— more powerful than government. kigni kigni now— more powerful than government. right right now, we've still got one more debate— right right now, we've still got one more debate to come on the snow— one more debate to come on the snow .— one more debate to come on the snow . kni— one more debate to come on the show . and last— one more debate to come on the show . and last but— one more debate to come on the show . and last but not least, show. and last but not least, is— show. and last but not least, is panens— show. and last but not least, it's darren's debate. and he wiri— it's darren's debate. and he wiii pe— it's darren's debate. and he will be asking— it's darren's debate. and he will be asking why is christianity- will be asking why is christianity being erased from easier— christianity being erased from iasier eggsi— christianity being erased from easter eggs? plus, we'll hear iron— easter eggs? plus, we'll hear iron our— easter eggs? plus, we'll hear from our wonderful viewers. so piease— from our wonderful viewers. so piease ion-i— from our wonderful viewers. so please don't anywhere .

welcome back, everyone. thanks for welcome back, everyone. thanks ior ioining— welcome back, everyone. thanks ior ioining us— welcome back, everyone. thanks ior ioining us on— welcome back, everyone. thanks for joining us on the saturday iiwe— for joining us on the saturday iiwe. wow,— for joining us on the saturday five. now, you've— for joining us on the saturday five. now, you've been passing us aki— five. now, you've been passing us aii oi— five. now, you've been passing us all of messages. well, us all of your messages. well, roe— us all of your messages. well, i-we peen— us all of your messages. well, i've been passed— us all of your messages. well, i've been passed all your message daniel dear through. daniel says, dear gb news— news team, i have to congratulate- news team, i have to- congratulate-another congratulate you on another exceiieni— excellent guest on the famous rive.— excellent guest on the famousi rive—quire five. famous five. that's quite rice— five. famous five. that's quite nice—kick- five. famous five. that's quitei nice._alex phillips nice. great to see alex phillips again. — nice. great to see alex phillips again. inaus— nice. great to see alex phillips again. that's-nice.- nice. great to see alex phillips again. that's nice. rob again. that's rather nice. rob saws— again. that's rather nice. rob saswew—- again. that's rather nice. rob saswew— needl again. that's rather nice. robi says—we need is again. that's rather nice. rob says people we need is again. that's rather nice. rob says people . we need is again. that's rather nice. rob says people . that'se need is again. that's rather nice. rob says people . that's in|eed is again. that's rather nice. rob says people . that's in reply; again. that's rather nice. rob says people . that's in reply to more people. that's in reply to penianin—.- more people. that's in reply to benjamin_. the. more people. that's in reply toj benjamin_. the uk benjamin butterworth. the uk ponie— benjamin butterworth. the uk poiiieliuii— benjamin butterworth. the uk bottle lfull and— benjamin butterworth. the uk bottle full and likely to bottle is full and likely to pursi— bottle is full and likely to burst. exclamation mark. don't sacriiice— burst. exclamation mark. don't sacriiice ine — burst. exclamation mark. don't sacrifice the well—being of this counin— sacrifice the well—being of this country-labour- sacrifice the well—being of this country-labour for. country for cheap labour for big pusiness — country for cheap labour for big pusiness -go- country for cheap labour for big pusiness-go .- country for cheap labour for big business. go . you're business. there you go. you're pusi— business. there you go. you're iusi—sniii- business. there you go. you're iusi—sniii .- business. there you go. you're just—shill . emily. just a capitalist shill. emily iairner. — just a capitalist shill. emily palmer. that— just a capitalist shill. emily palmer. that was that was me. iniiw— palmer. that was that was me. emily earner— palmer. that was that was me. emily palmer is— palmer. that was that was me. emily palmer is right and urine— emily palmer is right and utilise those. _ emily palmer is right and utilise those. we have here aireaciw— utilise those. we have here aireaciw .— utilise those. we have here aireaciw . anci— utilise those. we have here already . and adele, on the already. and adele, on the opesiiw— already. and adele, on the obesity question , she wants to obesity question, she wants to know— obesity question, she wants to know wnw— obesity question, she wants to know wnw .— obesity question, she wants to know why . on— obesity question, she wants to know why . oh, she's telling me know why. oh, she's telling me why— know why. oh, she's telling me why peopie— know why. oh, she's telling me why peopie ae— know why. oh, she's telling me why people are obese today. supermarkets. _ why people are obese today. supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. wnen— supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. wnen i— supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. wnen i weni— supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. when i went to— supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. when i went to primary school, incre— when i went to primary school, inere were— when i went to primary school, inere no— when i went to primary school, there were no supermarkets. its iooi— there were no supermarkets. its food - purchased _ there were no supermarkets. its food-purchased in- there were no supermarkets. its food purchased in small food was purchased in small aouns— food was purchased in small| amounts—freshly amounts, consumed, freshly pougpi—iawl bought. the following day. supermarkets— bought. the following day. supermarkets should far supermarkets should take far more responsibility. well, alex,

you more responsibility. well, alex, wou pike— more responsibility. well, alex, you iike you— more responsibility. well, alex, you like you like— more responsibility. well, alex, you like you like a market, a iresn— you like you like a market, a iresn ne— you like you like a market, a iresn me a— you like you like a market, a fresh me a good— you like you like a market, a fresh me a good farmer's market. presi— fresh me a good farmer's market. rresn iruii— fresh me a good farmer's market. fresh fruit. and— fresh me a good farmer's market. fresh fruit. and you— fresh me a good farmer's market. fresh fruit. and you know- fresh me a good farmer's market. fresh fruit. and you know the- fresh fruit. and you know the interesting that is interesting thing about that is the more the farmer's market is more money than supermarket. but money than the supermarket. but what getting is british what you're getting is british produce locally to a very produce grown locally to a very high standard. and you're high standard. and what you're actually for is food at actually paying for is food at the food should the price that food should actually i've got a big actually be. and i've got a big policy do throw away policy that i do not throw away food, meat. you food, especially not meat. you know, as far i'm concerned, know, as far as i'm concerned, if died for that, if an animal's died for that, you don't just disrespectfully chuck that's chuck it in the bin. that's a good many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill buy many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill buy a many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill buy a big many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill buy a big multi—packe chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill buy a big multi—pack of now will buy a big multi—pack of chicken , chicken breasts. and, you know, eat three, come in the fridge until they green and go, until they turn green and go, oh, bit whiffy. i'm oh, they're a bit whiffy. i'm going them. need going to bin them. what we need to get to to do is actually get back to proper cooking. like grandma to do is actually get back to prop me ooking. like grandma to do is actually get back to prop me ooking. buy grandma to do is actually get back to prop meooking. buy a grandma to do is actually get back to prop me ooking. buy a whole dma told me how to buy a whole chicken it all and chicken and use it all and really enjoy it. bones, bone broth. that's gwyneth broth. that's what gwyneth raiirow— broth. that's what gwyneth paltrow likes.— broth. that's what gwyneth paltrow likes. very- that's what gwyneth paltrow likes. very healthy, reignin— paltrow likes. very healthy, reigns-ao— paltrow likes. very healthy, right? do more. paul right? i'll do one more. paul says.— right? i'll do one more. paul says-evening— right? i'll do one more. paul says-evening ,- right? i'll do one more. paul says. evening , albie. my says. good evening, albie. my pony— says. good evening, albie. my pony-own— says. good evening, albie. my body-own private - says. good evening, albie. my body own private property body is my own private property and ine— body is my own private property and pie resi— body is my own private property and the rest of— body is my own private property and the rest of society should be and the rest of society should pe-ior— and the rest of society should pe-ior inap- and the rest of society should pe-ior inai .- and the rest of society should be for that . others, in be grateful for that. others, in iaci— be grateful for that. others, in gag, snouii— be grateful for that. others, in fact, should follow my rule rigni— fact, should follow my rule rigni now— fact, should follow my rule right now. then— fact, should follow my rule right now. then darren is going to right now. then darren is going io reki— right now. then darren is going io ieii us— right now. then darren is going io ieii us-ne— right now. then darren is going to tell us-he is— right now. then darren is going to tell us he is sick of to tell us why he is sick of copanis— to tell us why he is sick of companies turning their backs on

iraciiiionai— companies turning their backs on traditional christian easter nears.— traditional christian easter ireais. iney— traditional christian easter treats. they start the clock for ine— treats. they start the clock for inc—pike.- the last time. well, folks, i don't know about you, but i'm getting absolutely sick of having for britain having to apologise for britain being a christian country. it's the king's coronation. this yean the king's coronation. this year, next month, in fact. and guess what, folks? he's not defender of the faith this time. he's of the faiths. and he's defender of the faiths. and for love, no money. you cannot find an easter egg that says easter on it. it is outrageous. you can get yourself a dinosaur themed egg, though, if you want .eggs themed egg, though, if you want . eggs, of course, being the symbol of the resurrection. they are christ reborn . so to hell are christ reborn. so to hell with that. in multi—faith , with that. in multi—faith, britain was supermarkets. our established church is a national embarrassment to be ignored. you'll hear plenty on the bbc about ramadan, though we even had one police officer going round giving people gifts for ramadan. but not easter, with sadly no longer proud of our nation's traditions were welcomed diversity and faith. but not of one religion in

particular. and i think that thatis particular. and i think that that is a crying shame. bring back easter folks, and i will be eating this afterwards . well. oh eating this afterwards. well. oh darren, come on then. albie. what? what what can i say? well, you see there was ayslight well, you see there was a slight iaciuai— well, you see there was a slight iaciuai error— well, you see there was a slight factual error in— well, you see there was a slight factual error in what you were saying— factual error in what you were saying wnen— factual error in what you were saying wnen you— factual error in what you were saying when you were talking apoui— saying when you were talking apoui ine— saying when you were talking about the fact— saying when you were talking about the fact i— saying when you were talking about the fact i don't neither powe— about the fact i don't neither poke-money.— about the fact i don't neither| love-money.-find about the fact i don't neither. love-money.-find an love nor money. you can find an easier— love nor money. you can find an easter—actually- love nor money. you can find an easter—actually saysi easter egg which actually says easier— easter egg which actually saysi easier—nee easter on it, because right here in my— easter on it, because right here in ny-nawe— easter on it, because right here in my have managed to in my hand, i have managed to inci— in my hand, i have managed to iinci an— in my hand, i have managed to find an easter— in my hand, i have managed to find an easter egg— in my hand, i have managed to find an easter egg type condom and sweep— find an easter egg type condom and sweet over— find an easter egg type condom and sweet over here, which has got and sweet over here, which has goi ine— and sweet over here, which has goi rne worri— and sweet over here, which has got the word does— and sweet over here, which has got the word does that say i inink— got the word does that say i inink ii— got the word does that say i inink ii says— got the word does that say i think it says it— got the word does that say i think it says it says easter. nui— think it says it says easter. pup cpais— think it says it says easter. but that's not— think it says it says easter. but that's not a— think it says it says easter. but that's not a name. - think it says it says easter. but that's not a name. it says he's not an egg. so not so, so, so you can buy you can buy easter choc wallet with easter on it. i think we've established inan— on it. i think we've established inai. pui— on it. i think we've established inai. pui ine— on it. i think we've established that. but the point— ’2“ c i think we've established that. but the point about multi—faith_ that. but the point about multi—faith britain, i don't inink— multi—faith britain, i don't wink—an- multi—faith britain, i don't- think_an argument think you can make an argument as—onl as we were making earlier on inap— as we were making earlier on that different— as we were making earlier on that different people aren't going— that different people aren't going enougn— that different people aren't doing enough to integrate into the doing enough to integrate into ine couniry— doing enough to integrate into the country and— doing enough to integrate into the country and then say the king— the country and then say the king shouldn't— the country and then say the king shouldn't be inclusive of all king shouldn't be inclusive of aii ine— king shouldn't be inclusive of all the different— king shouldn't be inclusive of all the different faiths during the combination coronation. i

aciuaiiy— the combination coronation. i actually-prince- the combination coronation. i actually prince charles actually think prince charles anci— actually think prince charles and ine— actually think prince charles and pie sorry,— actually think prince charles and the sorry, his royal nignness— and the sorry, his royal highness, the king and the rest of highness, the king and the rest oi ine— highness, the king and the rest oi ine royai— highness, the king and the rest of the royal-are— highness, the king and the rest of the royal are actually of the royal fam are actually nearing— of the royal fam are actually nearing-a— of the royal fam are actually treading-a good- of the royal fam are actually treading a good line when treading quite a good line when it-inclusivity- treading quite a good line when it inclusivity because it comes to inclusivity because iney— it comes to inclusivity because iney know— it comes to inclusivity because iney know-in— it comes to inclusivity because they know in order for the they know that in order for the nonarcny— they know that in order for the nonarcny io— they know that in order for the monarchy to sustain, they need to monarchy to sustain, they need iolaiiraciea— monarchy to sustain, they need to i attracted to _ monarchy to sustain, they need to.attracted to all- monarchy to sustain, they need to attracted to all parts of to be attracted to all parts of ine— to be attracted to all parts of the _ ultimately, i the population. ultimately, the church governor church is the supreme governor of the church of england is king charles. he is there to defend that faith. so i don't think he should apologise of course, but he's not apologising. he's defending the faith.- 2 “2 he's defending the faith. he and cries— defending the faith. he and oiners as— defending the faith. he and others as well— defending the faith. he and others as well . �*fw�*“2 defending the faith. he and others as well . w“2 others as well. what's the problem? he is defender of the faith . why is that? apologise. faith. why is that? apologise. i awn-t— faith. why is that? apologise. i awn-t hear— faith. why is that? apologise. i didn't hearlsorry_ faith. why is that? apologise. i didn't hearl sorry ,— why is that? apologise. i didn't hear sorry , i've not didn't hear a sorry, i've not heard— didn't hear a sorry, i've not heard a— didn't hear a sorry, i've not heard a sorry.— didn't hear a sorry, i've not heard a sorry. did he say sorry at—hear- heard a sorry. did he say sorry at—hear mm- at all? i didn't hear him say sorry— at all? i didn't hear him say sorry-should- at all? i didn't hear him say sorry-should be- at all? i didn't hear him say sorry-should be loudl at all? i didn't hear him say. sorry-should be loud and sorry. he should be loud and proud very proud about missing a very important here. and it's important point here. and it's not know, important point here. and it's not—know, fighting| not about, you know, fighting about— not about, you know, fighting about wha— not about, you know, fighting about who-most- not about, you know, fighting about who most prominent about who has the most prominent fana— about who has the most prominent fatal,— about who has the most prominent fatal, you— about who has the most prominent fatal, you know,— about who has the most prominent faith , you know, policeman faith or, you know, a policeman handing— faith or, you know, a policeman hahdhd aah— faith or, you know, a policeman handing out sweets ramadan handing out sweets at ramadan or whatever. — handing out sweets at ramadan or whatever. - about- handing out sweets at ramadan or whatever. _about is- handing out sweets at ramadan or whatever. _about is a- whatever. what it's about is a very— whatever. what it's about is a very-destruction- whatever. what it's about is a very destruction of the very wilful destruction of the aahdhah— very wilful destruction of the religion upda— very wilful destruction of the religion upon which our entire daddy— religion upon which our entire daddy has— religion upon which our entire society has been— religion upon which our entire society has been built. the sadd— society has been built. the social mores— society has been built. the social mores that we follow every— social mores that we follow every day— social mores that we follow every day ,— social mores that we follow every day , ear— social mores that we follow every day , our democracy, it all every day, our democracy, it all rhde— every day, our democracy, it all rhde he— every day, our democracy, it all finds its roots— every day, our democracy, it all finds its roots in— every day, our democracy, it all finds its roots in christianity and— finds its roots in christianity and whar— finds its roots in christianity and vhar r— finds its roots in christianity and what i worry about is and we

rhe— and what i worry about is and we his he— and what i worry about is and we saw this in the— and what i worry about is and we saw this in the snp— and what i worry about is and we saw this in the snp contest, drdh-r— saw this in the snp contest, drdh-r vee— saw this in the snp contest, didn't we? kate— saw this in the snp contest, didn't we? kate forbes being ready— didn't we? kate forbes being utterly vilified— didn't we? kate forbes being utterly vilified for holding chhedah— utterly vilified for holding christian-,- utterly vilified for holding christian-, but- utterly vilified for holding christian , but hamza yusuf christian views, but hamza yusuf was-herd— christian views, but hamza yusuf was held accountable to for was not held accountable to for his was not held accountable to for hrs-privare— was not held accountable to for his private religious views his own private religious views and— his own private religious views and whar— his own private religious views and vhar r— his own private religious views and what i worry— his own private religious views and what i worry about is this vvrhad— and what i worry about is this wilful destruction— and what i worry about is this wilful destruction of christianity- wilful destruction of christianity leaves a dangerous vacuum . well,— christianity leaves a dangerous vacuum . well, we- christianity leaves a dangerous vacuum . �*fd�*rzizu f: christianity leaves a dangerous vacuum . d vacuum. well, we could have gone on longer with that one, but unfortunately. got time unfortunately. so we've got time for time for we've reached the end there . well, been end there. well, it's been another . thank you another great show. thank you very for getting involved. very much for getting involved. next up, it's going to be the brilliant allen. he's brilliant steve and allen. he's standing in for mark dolan. you'll watch that one. you'll want to watch that one. cheers much for your cheers very much for your company we'll you again cheers very much for your comrweek we'll you again cheers very much for your comrweek .ve'll you again cheers very much for your comrweek . erg you again cheers very much for your comrweek . erg hello>u again cheers very much for your comrweek . erg hello there. i'm next week. erg hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with- ?ci i'm jonathan vautrey here with your dared— jonathan vautrey here with your latest weather— jonathan vautrey here with your latest weather update from the her— latest weather update from the her orhee — latest weather update from the met office hope— latest weather update from the met office hope you've been enjoying— met office hope you've been enjoying rhe— met office hope you've been enjoying the easter weekend so far. rhere— enjoying the easter weekend so far. there-been— enjoying the easter weekend so far. there been plenty of far. there has been plenty of rhe— far. there has been plenty of fine weather— far. there has been plenty of fine weather we'll continue fine weather and we'll continue to fine weather and we'll continue rev-er— fine weather and we'll continue re-er rhar— fine weather and we'll continue to-of that into- fine weather and we'll continue to of that into sunday. to see more of that into sunday. rhere— to see more of that into sunday. here are— to see more of that into sunday. there are fronts— to see more of that into sunday. there are fronts out— to see more of that into sunday. there are fronts out in the adahde. — there are fronts out in the atlantic. there— there are fronts out in the atlantic. there are slowly going to atlantic. there are slowly going he have— atlantic. there are slowly going to make-progress- atlantic. there are slowly going to make progress towards to make their progress towards the to make their progress towards rhel— to make their progress towards rhel-hrdh— to make their progress towards the , high pressure the uk, but high pressure is heehhd—reri the uk, but high pressure is| keeping _for the keeping them at bay for the rherhehr— keeping them at bay for the moment keeping things moment and keeping things fairly fine moment and keeping things fairly rrne-seared— moment and keeping things fairly fine-settled-a_ moment and keeping things fairly fine-settled-a bit- moment and keeping things fairly fine settled a bit more fine and settled just a bit more oflbreeze—

fine and settled just a bit more oflbreeze across— fine and settled just a bit more of breeze across western areas of a breeze across western areas and— of a breeze across western areas and-he— of a breeze across western areas and be strengthening and that will be strengthening as we head— and that will be strengthening as we head _the. and that will be strengthening as we head the rest as we head throughout the rest of as we head throughout the rest er-evehhd— as we head throughout the rest of-evening and— as we head throughout the rest of evening and through of this evening and through harem.— of this evening and through tonight-of- of this evening and throughi tonight.-of.will tonight. but many of us will rehah-vvhh- tonight. but many of us will. remain _with-clear remain dry and with some clear hrervah— remain dry and with some clear hrervade ,— remain dry and with some clear hrervade , eehe— remain dry and with some clear intervals , some low cloud intervals, some low cloud haehhd— intervals, some low cloud haehha rare— intervals, some low cloud pushing into for parts of eaererh— pushing into for parts of eastern england and scotland as veh— eastern england and scotland as veh- mayhe— eastern england and scotland as veh- hayhe a— eastern england and scotland as well. maybe a few— eastern england and scotland as well. maybe a few fog patches around— well. maybe a few fog patches around her— well. maybe a few fog patches around. but with— well. maybe a few fog patches around. but with the breeze and the around. but with the breeze and he headed— around. but with the breeze and the increasing cloud, temperatures won't drop too far , hear—dares- temperatures won't drop too far , most—cities will. , most towns and cities will hadd— , most towns and cities will hold-around— , most towns and cities will hold-around-g c.- , most towns and cities will hold around 6 c. could hold up around 5 or 6 c. could be hold up around 5 or 6 c. could he a— hold up around 5 or 6 c. could he a hir— hold up around 5 or 6 c. could he a hh er— hold up around 5 or 6 c. could he a hr of a— hold up around 5 or 6 c. could be a bit of a murky start again in be a bit of a murky start again he he— be a bit of a murky start again he he eae,— be a bit of a murky start again in the east, but— be a bit of a murky start again in the east, but as— be a bit of a murky start again in the east, but as the breeze adah— in the east, but as the breeze again strengthens here, that shedd— again strengthens here, that should hopefully help lift some again strengthens here, that sh that hopefully help lift some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud ully help lift some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud out help lift some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud out of lp lift some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud out of the ft some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud out of the way. �*ne of that cloud out of the way. and— of that cloud out of the way. and heed— of that cloud out of the way. and heer er— of that cloud out of the way. and most of england, and and most of england, wales and seerdahd— and most of england, wales and scotland—some- and most of england, wales and scotland some sunny scotland should see some sunny hrervare—dayl intervals throughout the day. he — intervals throughout the day. the sunshine,— intervals throughout the day. the sunshine, will be the sunshine, though, will be rarhhd— the sunshine, though, will be remind-rhe- the sunshine, though, will be turning this cloud from turning hazy as this cloud from the turning hazy as this cloud from rhe-haehee— turning hazy as this cloud from the-pushes-we'll. turning hazy as this cloud from i the-pushes-we'll see the west pushes in and we'll see sored-r— the west pushes in and we'll see earned-r rah- the west pushes in and we'll see some _of rain into - some outbreaks of rain into herrherh— some outbreaks of rain into northern ireland later on. temperatures— northern ireland later on. temperatures climbing up compared— temperatures climbing up compared ro— temperatures climbing up compared to saturday around 16 to compared to saturday around 16 o re d — compared to saturday around 16 o re d har— compared to saturday around 16 o re d her he— compared to saturday around 16 to 18 c. but in that— to 18 c. but in that strengthening breeze, it will deer— strengthening breeze, it will he rake— strengthening breeze, it will just rahe rhe— strengthening breeze, it will just take the edge off the feel of just take the edge off the feel or rhhde— just take the edge off the feel or rhhde .— just take the edge off the feel of things . since— just take the edge off the feel of things . since the overnight of things. since the overnight period— of things. since the overnight perrod where— of things. since the overnight period where we'll start to see rhar— period where we'll start to see rhar rah— period where we'll start to see that rain pushed— period where we'll start to see that rain pushed widely that rain pushed more widely across—rhe- that rain pushed more widely across—the uk- that rain pushed more widely. across—the uk could across the rest of the uk could be across the rest of the uk could hoe-heavier— across the rest of the uk could be-heavier bursts- across the rest of the uk could be heavier bursts that be some heavier bursts on that arose—harro- be some heavier bursts on that dose—hare or- cross scotland into parts of northern— cross scotland into parts of northern _well. i cross scotland into parts of- northern _well. then northern england as well. then as vve-hro—

northern england as well. then as we-into-early- northern england as well. then as we into early parts as we head into the early parts of as we head into the early parts or monday— as we head into the early parts or monday ,— as we head into the early parts or monday , h— as we head into the early parts of monday , it will— as we head into the early parts of monday , it will be clearing of monday, it will be clearing its of monday, it will be clearing hrs—rar— of monday, it will be clearingi its—far south—east, its way off the far south—east, porehrrady— its way off the far south—east, potentially just _ its way off the far south—east, potentially just lingering for here— potentially just lingering for here a— potentially just lingering for here a little— potentially just lingering for here a little while throughout the here a little while throughout ehe—rheo- here a little while throughouti the—into-start the morning and into the start of the morning and into the start or—hehhd- the morning and into the start of_behind that,| of the afternoon behind that, though— of the afternoon behind that, though, many— of the afternoon behind that, though, many of— of the afternoon behind that, though, many of us will see a barrage— though, many of us will see a barrage of— though, many of us will see a barrage of showers pushed their way— barrage of showers pushed their way he— barrage of showers pushed their way he oh— barrage of showers pushed their way in on monday.— barrage of showers pushed their way in on monday. and some of those— way in on monday. and some of those eoadd— way in on monday. and some of those could be— way in on monday. and some of those could be heavy at times with— those could be heavy at times wheh—some- those could be heavy at times| with—some-and with the risk of some hail and thunder. — with the risk of some hail and thunder. generally , that thunder. and generally, that eere— thunder. and generally, that eehe-rhe- thunder. and generally, that sets-the scene- thunder. and generally, that sets the scene of thunder. and generally, that- sets-the scene of some sets us up for the scene of some unseeded— sets us up for the scene of some unsettled weather— sets us up for the scene of some unsettled weather for the rest of unsettled weather for the rest or-vveeh— unsettled weather for the rest or-veeh .— unsettled weather for the rest or-veeh . rre— unsettled weather for the rest of-week . we do- unsettled weather for the rest of week . we do our unsettled weather for the rest- of-week . we do -our eyes of the week. we do have our eyes on of the week. we do have our eyes oh—rov— of the week. we do have our eyes on_low pressure- on this area of low pressure that— on this area of low pressure that coord— on this area of low pressure that could bring— on this area of low pressure that could bring some slightly stronger— that could bring some slightly stronger particularly that could bring some slightly stro south particularly that could bring some slightly strosouth and particularly that could bring some slightly stro south and westticularly that could bring some slightly stro south and west as|larly that could bring some slightly stro south and west as we .y that could bring some slightly stro south and west as we head the south and west as we head raeeday— the south and west as we head raeeday arthr— the south and west as we head tuesday night wednesday tuesday night into wednesday day. — tuesday night into wednesday day. so— tuesday night into wednesday day. so do— tuesday night into wednesday day. so do-heeh- tuesday night into wednesday day. so do keep up to date day. so do just keep up to date with— day. so do just keep up to date vvhh—h— day. so do just keep up to date with—in regards- day. so do just keep up to date with—in regards toi with the forecast in regards to that— with the forecast in regards to that .— with the forecast in regards to that . otherwise,— with the forecast in regards to that . otherwise, your that. otherwise, enjoy your evehhd. — that. otherwise, enjoy your evening- -hye- that. otherwise, enjoy your evehha-hye. - that. otherwise, enjoy your evening. bye . f evening. bye bye. i'm jacob rees—mogg , the member of rees—mogg, the member of parliament for north east somerset former government parliament for north east somerse for former government parliament for north east somerse for yearsyrmer government parliament for north east somerse for years i�*ner government parliament for north east somerse for years i have overnment parliament for north east somerse for years i have walked ant minister for years i have walked the corridors of power in both westminster of westminster and the city of london. we need to have the arguments,— :“ we need to have the arguments, discussions on arguments, the discussions on how— arguments, the discussions on how-h— arguments, the discussions on how-it better- arguments, the discussions on how-it better crop. how we make it better crop radaree— how we make it better crop failures, famine,— how we make it better crop failures, famine, war, suffering on a scale completely unimaginable. we are putting the cart unimaginable. we are putting the ear heroe— unimaginable. we are putting the cart before the— unimaginable. we are putting the cart before the horse as charles the cart before the horse as charles rhe ther— cart before the horse as charles the first said— cart before the horse as charles the first said at— cart before the horse as charles the first said at the scaffold, he va— the first said at the scaffold,

he rhe— the first said at the scaffold, he was the true— the first said at the scaffold, he was the true defender of needy. — he was the true defender of liberty. yeah,— he was the true defender of liberty. yeah, i— he was the true defender of liberty. v422“ rtrzr“ liberty. yeah, i completely derailed the conversation. join liberty. yeah, i completely derrmonday conversation. join liberty. yeah, i completely derrmonday to rnversation. join liberty. yeah, i completely derrmonday to thursday]. join liberty. yeah, i completely derrmonday to thursday at oin liberty. yeah, i completely derrmonday to thursday at 81 liberty. yeah, i completely derrmonday to thursday at 8 pm. me monday to thursday at 8 pm. on gb news britain's news.

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