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ew— we'll start with some breaking news. 31 ukrainian children who taken— news. 31 ukrainian children who were taken from _ news. 31 ukrainian children who were taken from occupied areas during— were taken from occupied areas during wee— were taken from occupied areas during the we— were taken from occupied areas during the war have been returned— during the war have been returned to— during the war have been returned to and reunited with thew— returned to and reunited with their families— returned to and reunited with their families ._ returned to and reunited with their families . moscow, which their families. moscow, which controls— their families. moscow, which controls regions— their families. moscow, which controls regions of ukraine's ease— controls regions of ukraine's east end— controls regions of ukraine's east and south,— controls regions of ukraine's east and south, denies abducting the children— east and south, denies abducting the children and— east and south, denies abducting the children and says they were taken— the children and says they were taken away— the children and says they were taken away fer— the children and says they were taken away for their own safety. kyiv— taken away for their own safety. kyiv estimates— taken away for their own safety. kyiv estimates ._ taken away for their own safety. kyiv estimates . nearly 19,500 kyiv estimates. nearly 19,500 uwewwew— kyiv estimates. nearly 19,500 ukrainian children have been deported— ukrainian children have been eepewee ee— ukrainian children have been deported to russia since moscow wee— deported to russia since moscow wee wweeee— deported to russia since moscow first invaded last— deported to russia since moscow first invaded last month . the first invaded last month. the international— first invaded last month. the international criminal court issued— international criminal court issued an— international criminal court issued an arrest— international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for president— issued an arrest warrant for president vladimir putin on charges— president vladimir putin on charges ef— president vladimir putin on charges of war— president vladimir putin on charges of war crimes and child ebewewewe— charges of war crimes and child ebewewewe .— charges of war crimes and child abductions . us— charges of war crimes and child abductions . us and some other abductions. us and some other breaking— abductions. us and some other weaning ne— abductions. us and some other breaking news. the british enem— breaking news. the british israeli sisters— breaking news. the british israeli sisters who were killed in ne— israeli sisters who were killed in the occupied— israeli sisters who were killed in the occupied west bank weeneneew— in the occupied west bank yesterday have— in the occupied west bank yesterday have been named rina and maya— yesterday have been named rina and maya zakarin_ yesterday have been named rina and maya zakarin were shot in new— and maya zakarin were shot in new enn— and maya zakarin were shot in their car near— and maya zakarin were shot in their car near an— and maya zakarin were shot in their car near an israeli eenwenenn— their car near an israeli settlement in- their car near an israeli settlement in the beqaa valley. nnew— settlement in the beqaa valley. nnew newer— settlement in the beqaa valley. their mother remains in a ennew— their mother remains in a critical condition. israel prime ninetee— critical condition. israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu snared— minister benjamin netanyahu enenee enew— minister benjamin netanyahu shared their photos on social media— shared their photos on social mean and— shared their photos on social media and sent— shared their photos on social media and sent his condolences to ene—

media and sent his condolences no we nanny— media and sent his condolences to the family back— media and sent his condolences to the family back here, a 12 ween— to the family back here, a 12 year ew— to the family back here, a 12 ween we new— to the family back here, a 12 year old boy accused of murdering— year old boy accused of murdering a— year old boy accused of murdering a grandmother in snennew— murdering a grandmother in sheffield has— murdering a grandmother in sheffield has been remanded into secure accommodation . 60 year secure accommodation. 60 year old secure accommodation. 60 year ew weren— secure accommodation. 60 year old marcia grant— secure accommodation. 60 year old marcia grant was hit by her own car outside _ old marcia grant was hit by her own car outside her home in green— own car outside her home in green wu— own car outside her home in green hill on— own car outside her home in green hill on wednesday. the nanny— green hill on wednesday. the family released— green hill on wednesday. the family released a— green hill on wednesday. the family released a statement ener— family released a statement after new— family released a statement after her death— family released a statement after her death describing her as warm and loving and a pillar of ne— as warm and loving and a pillar of the community. _ as warm and loving and a pillar of the community. the boy who cant— of the community. the boy who cant be— of the community. the boy who can't be identified— of the community. the boy who can't be identified due to his age— can't be identified due to his age we— can't be identified due to his age is due— can't be identified due to his age is due before sheffield ween— age is due before sheffield vewnn conn— age is due before sheffield youth court again tomorrow . youth court again tomorrow. ween— youth court again tomorrow. nicola sturgeon— youth court again tomorrow. nicola sturgeon has spoken out for nicola sturgeon has spoken out new ene— nicola sturgeon has spoken out few we wen— nicola sturgeon has spoken out for the first time— nicola sturgeon has spoken out for the first time since her nwenene— for the first time since her husband was— for the first time since her husband was arrested , saying she husband was arrested, saying she has husband was arrested, saying she nee nee— husband was arrested, saying she nee not been— husband was arrested, saying she has not been questioned by pence.— has not been questioned by police. former— has not been questioned by police. former snp chief eewne— police. former snp chief executive peter murrell was taken— executive peter murrell was taken inne— executive peter murrell was taken into custody on wednesday as pen— taken into custody on wednesday as new en— taken into custody on wednesday as pen on e— taken into custody on wednesday as part of a police— as part of a police investigation into the party's nnneee— investigation into the party's nnneee ne— investigation into the party's finances. he was— investigation into the party's finances. he was later released wnnewn— finances. he was later released without charge— finances. he was later released without charge ._ finances. he was later released without charge . the former first without charge. the former first ninetee— without charge. the former first minister described the past few newe— minister described the past few days ee— minister described the past few days as traumatic, but says she intende— days as traumatic, but says she intends ne— days as traumatic, but says she intends to gen— days as traumatic, but says she intends to get on— days as traumatic, but says she intends to get on with her life and— intends to get on with her life and win— intends to get on with her life and win new— intends to get on with her life and with her job. rm." ”n22; and with herjob. much as there are things i might want to see,

i am not able to do so other than to say that, as has been the case, there will continue to be full cooperation . in the last be full cooperation. in the last few days have been an obviously difficult, quite traumatic at times. but understand that is part of a process. and times. but understand that is part of a process . and the times. but understand that is part of a process. and the nhs confederation— part of a process. and the nhs confederation is— f and the nhs confederation is warning a newer— confederation is warning a qwenen en— confederation is warning a qwenen on e— confederation is warning a quarter of a million appointees payments— quarter of a million appointees pnwnenne cowe— quarter of a million appointees payments could be postponed and due ne— payments could be postponed and due to e— payments could be postponed and due to a new— payments could be postponed and due to a four day— payments could be postponed and due to a four day strike by junior— due to a four day strike by junior doctors— due to a four day strike by junior doctors next week, medics in-wiu— junior doctors next week, medics n-wiu wetn— junior doctors next week, medics in-will walk out- junior doctors next week, medics in will walk out from in england will walk out from tuesday— in england will walk out from tuesday in— in england will walk out from nweeenw in en— in england will walk out from tuesday in an ongoing dispute new.— tuesday in an ongoing dispute pay- me— tuesday in an ongoing dispute over pay. the british medical association— over pay. the british medical association says— over pay. the british medical association says the action cowe— association says the action eewe enu— association says the action could still be _ association says the action could still be avoided if the government— could still be avoided if the government makes a credible ener— government makes a credible enen .— government makes a credible enen. nun— government makes a credible offer . but the— government makes a credible offer. but the health department newne— offer. but the health department inenne ene— offer. but the health department insists the strike— offer. but the health department insists the strike must be called— insists the strike must be called en— insists the strike must be called off before negotiations newe— called off before negotiations take place — called off before negotiations take place. you're up to date on tv, take place. you're up to date on w, enune— take place. you're up to date on w, ennne ,— take place. you're up to date on tv, online , dab+_ take place. you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and on tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune— tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune in.— tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune in. we— tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune in. this is— tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb— tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now we— tune in. this is gb news. now we been— tune in. this is gb news. now we been ne— tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to the— tune in. this is gb news. now

it's back to the ._ it's back to the. saturday five. l we— it's back to the. saturday five. i we snwnnw— it's back to the. saturday five. - it's saturday night- it's back to the. saturday five. - it's saturday night and. it's back to the. saturday five. it's saturday night and you're it's back to the. saturday five. it's saturday nighi'm d you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise you you're for a lively you that you're in for a lively houn you that you're in for a lively hour. let's crack on with tonight's first debate. up first, emily carver with first, it's emily carver with the carver palaver, and she's going to tell us why the failing nhs shouldn't be blamed on poor patients. start the clock . yes. patients. start the clock. yes. tax tax, tax band , band, ff /2;~;: tax tax, tax band , band, band. tax tax, tax band, band, band. nnen-e— tax tax, tax band, band, band. were ene— tax tax, tax band, band, band. that's the mantra— tax tax, tax band, band, band. that's the mantra of our public neenn— that's the mantra of our public neenn teeny,— that's the mantra of our public health lobby, isn't— that's the mantra of our public health lobby, isn't it.7 and new-ne— health lobby, isn't it.7 and nnew-ne beek— health lobby, isn't it.7 and they're back again. former ninetee— they're back again. former minister under— they're back again. former minister under tony blair is now awning— minister under tony blair is now newene ene— minister under tony blair is now advising the government on the nhs— advising the government on the wns nenewe— advising the government on the nhs believe it— advising the government on the nhs believe it or— advising the government on the nhs believe it or not, she winke— nhs believe it or not, she thinks that— nhs believe it or not, she thinks that the— nhs believe it or not, she thinks that the nhs is broken neeewee— thinks that the nhs is broken because people— thinks that the nhs is broken because people are too fat. so wnn-e— because people are too fat. so wnn-e we— because people are too fat. so what's the solution .7 of course what's the solution? of course it's what's the solution? of course we to — what's the solution? of course we w tax— what's the solution? of course it's to tax the _ what's the solution? of course it's to tax the fatties more and tex— it's to tax the fatties more and more tax those— it's to tax the fatties more and more tax those sinners . yes. more tax those sinners. yes. ween-t— more tax those sinners. yes. doesn't matter— more tax those sinners. yes. doesn't matter that the syntax is ee— doesn't matter that the syntax is are absolutely— doesn't matter that the syntax is are absolutely doomed . is are absolutely doomed. aneewtew— is are absolutely doomed. absolutely awful to help our weieflinee— absolutely awful to help our waistlines. the— absolutely awful to help our waistlines. the sugar tax it was introduced— waistlines. the sugar tax it was introduced in— waistlines. the sugar tax it was introduced in 2018. what's happened— introduced in 2018. what's happened since obesity for

enwenen— happened since obesity for children and— happened since obesity for children and for adults has gone up. neuewe— children and for adults has gone up. neuewe n— children and for adults has gone up. believe it or— children and for adults has gone up. believe it or not, it's just enetnen— up. believe it or not, it's just another cash— up. believe it or not, it's just another cash grab that hits the peer— another cash grab that hits the new tne — another cash grab that hits the poor tne nee.— another cash grab that hits the poor the most. yes we all want people— poor the most. yes we all want people te— poor the most. yes we all want people to be— poor the most. yes we all want people to be healthier, but the wns— people to be healthier, but the wns ten-t— people to be healthier, but the nhs isn't broken— people to be healthier, but the nhs isn't broken because people are nhs isn't broken because people penne— nhs isn't broken because people pwninp tee— nhs isn't broken because people are putting too much into their newne— are putting too much into their newne. n-e— are putting too much into their mouths. it's broken because it's an antiquated— mouths. it's broken because it's an antiquated system that's been— an antiquated system that's been p..— an antiquated system that's badly in need— an antiquated system that's badly in need of root and branch eennn— badly in need of root and branch eewnf se— badly in need of root and branch reform. so remember , it's not reform. so remember, it's not wen— reform. so remember, it's not we met— reform. so remember, it's not you net is— reform. so remember, it's not you that is letting the nhs newn— you that is letting the nhs down we— you that is letting the nhs down, it's the— you that is letting the nhs down, it's the nhs that is letting— down, it's the nhs that is letting you— down, it's the nhs that is letting you down. \. {clap : letting you down. nicely done. there we go. 60 letting you down. \» 024,» : ”n22; q2» 60 seconds. letting you down. \» 024,» : ”»22; q»2» 60 seconds. darren, there we go. 60 seconds. darren, wnet— there we go. 60 seconds. darren, wnet ee— there we go. 60 seconds. darren, wnet we wen— there we go. 60 seconds. darren, what do you think?— there we go. 60 seconds. darren, what do you think? do- ”»22; q»2» 60 seconds. darren, what do you think? do you think we— what do you think? do you think we were— what do you think? do you think that we're what— what do you think? do you think that we're what the syntax is? are— that we're what the syntax is? we we — that we're what the syntax is? are we scapegoating fat people as are we scapegoating fat people we pm..— are we scapegoating fat people as time e — are we scapegoating fat people as little ? emily— are we scapegoating fat people as little ? emily i— are we scapegoating fat people as little ? by, are we scapegoating fat people as little ? can "

lost loads of weight, everything is done on the nhs now and i think a lot of people watching at home will be of the view. i've got nowt left for yet a tax, you know. well that's true. i mean— tax, you know. well that's true. i we— tax, you know. well that's true. i mean we talk— tax, you know. well that's true. i mean we talk about- lax well that's true. i mean we talk about the cost of living— i mean we talk about the cost of living vet— i mean we talk about the cost of living yet we— i mean we talk about the cost of living yet the public health peppy— living yet the public health peppy ene— living yet the public health lobby are more— living yet the public health lobby are more willing than enenew— lobby are more willing than aonyne ene— lobby are more willing than anyone else to— lobby are more willing than anyone else to just slap taxes on people— anyone else to just slap taxes on people wne— anyone else to just slap taxes on people who spend more proportionately— on people who spend more proportionately of their income on feed— proportionately of their income on feed .— proportionately of their income on feed . ane— proportionately of their income on food . and yes,— proportionately of their income on food . and yes, we don't all on food. and yes, we don't all ew— on food. and yes, we don't all eat healthier— on food. and yes, we don't all eat healthier obe— on food. and yes, we don't all eat healthier obe but look, hang on, eat healthier obe but look, hang wet-e— eat healthier obe but look, hang wet-e nne— eat healthier obe but look, hang on, let's take smoking, for example.— on, let's take smoking, for example. — on, let's take smoking, for example. there- on, let's take smoking, for example. q example. there smoking and cigarettes are very heavily taxed. they have been for a couple— taxed. they have been for a couple ef— taxed. they have been for a couple of decades- : they have been for a couple of decades now. there was a complete— couple of decades now. there was a complete change— couple of decades now. there was a complete change of direction to encourage— a complete change of direction to discourage people because of just to discourage people because of we new— to discourage people because of test new pee— to discourage people because of test new pee n— to discourage people because of just how bad it is— to discourage people because of just how bad it is for people's neenn— just how bad it is for people's neenn ene— just how bad it is for people's health and we've— just how bad it is for people's health and we've seen that the nwnnee— health and we've seen that the nwnnee ef— health and we've seen that the number of people— health and we've seen that the number of people that smoke now, it's number of people that smoke now, we went— number of people that smoke now, we eeew e— number of people that smoke now, it's about 6 million— number of people that smoke now, it's about 6 million regular smokers. fraction , smokers. it's a fraction, werew— smokers. it's a fraction, meneuw e— smokers. it's a fraction, literally a fraction of what it was a generation ago. and that's because— was a generation ago. and that's because we— was a generation ago. and that's because it's too— was a generation ago. and that's because it's too expensive for nee— because it's too expensive for new peepee— because it's too expensive for new peeple te— because it's too expensive for most people to do. alex and so eeeen-t— most people to do. alex and so eeeenn wet— most people to do. alex and so doesn't that show— most people to do. alex and so doesn't that show that you do we— doesn't that show that you do wet-ene— doesn't that show that you do wet-nne n- doesn't that show that you do that-and it could. that with food and it could feuew— that with food and it could follow—don'tl that with food and it could- follow—don't think follow the same? i don't think so isn't the fact so because alex isn't the fact that smoking less that people are smoking less because such a because there's been such a campaign on terms the

campaign on in terms of the health effects. we all know smoking kills us. and also we've had well , smoking kills us. and also we've had well, vaping smoking kills us. and also we've had well , vaping accelerate, had well, vaping accelerate, have we not? right. and you make a have we not? right. and you make e peed— have we not? right. and you make e peee pent— have we not? right. and you make a good point because— have we not? right. and you make a good point because what- »2»?’ ?q and you make a good point because what we eeweuw— a good point because what we actually need— a good point because what we actually need when it comes to eeeenw—pweue- obesity is a proper public neenn— obesity is a proper public- health—dietary health campaign. the dietary eewee— health campaign. the dietary advice—have- health campaign. the dietaryi advice—have been advice that people have been given— advice that people have been given new— advice that people have been given for decades now is terrible — given for decades now is- terrible. -carbohydrates terrible. it puts carbohydrates at terrible. it puts carbohydrates n we— terrible. it puts carbohydrates n we tep— terrible. it puts carbohydrates n we tep ef— terrible. it puts carbohydrates at the top of the— terrible. it puts carbohydrates at the top of the food pyramid, eewne — at the top of the food pyramid, eewnp wie— at the top of the food pyramid, saying this should be the net-entw— saying this should be the neienwlwew- saying this should be the majority your intake. we know majority of your intake. we know we— majority of your intake. we know that-sponsored- that big food sponsored a renew— that big food sponsored a rollout.the_ that big food sponsored a rollout the low fat diets , rollout of the low fat diets, wnen— rollout of the low fat diets, which-ended- rollout of the low fat diets, which-ended up- rollout of the low fat diets, which ended up having which in fact ended up having extre— which in fact ended up having ewe-in— which in fact ended up having exwe-n e— which in fact ended up having extra-in a lot- which in fact ended up having extra-in a lot of- extra sugar in a lot of preteen,— extra sugar in a lot of products, which is actually neepee— products, which is actually. helped _create helped perpetuate and create wie— helped perpetuate and create the eeeenw— helped perpetuate and create this obesity crisis. the problem is this obesity crisis. the problem ie net— this obesity crisis. the problem is net taxing— this obesity crisis. the problem is not taxing people who frankly , tne — is not taxing people who frankly , tne enee— is not taxing people who frankly , tne wne— is not taxing people who frankly , the ones who are— is not taxing people who frankly , the ones who are obese are the enee-eeweuw— , the ones who are obese are the ones-actually tend- , the ones who are obese are the ones actually tend to resort ones who actually tend to resort to ones who actually tend to resort te newne— ones who actually tend to resort to having - ultra - ones who actually tend to resort to having ultra processed to having to buy ultra processed need— to having to buy ultra processed needlewwwe— to having to buy ultra processed feeelewwwe .— to having to buy ultra processed food-survive . it's— to having to buy ultra processed food survive . it's about food to survive. it's about regulating— food to survive. it's about regulating the— food to survive. it's about regulating the big food industry and new— regulating the big food industry and they ee— regulating the big food industry and they are everywhere. they are pernicious.— and they are everywhere. they are pernicious. you know, you nee— are pernicious. you know, you had macdonald— are pernicious. you know, you had macdonald sponsoring the ownpie— had macdonald sponsoring the olympic-during- had macdonald sponsoring the olympic during the olympic games during the peneenie — olympic games during the pandemic. -had- olympic games during the pandemic. had krispy kreme pandemic. you had krispy kreme handing— pandemic. you had krispy kreme handing ew— pandemic. you had krispy kreme handing out doughnuts nhs handing out doughnuts to nhs enn— handing out doughnuts to nhs eten. tneee— handing out doughnuts to nhs staff. these are— handing out doughnuts to nhs staff. these are the people peeing— staff. these are the people adding te— staff. these are the people adding to waistlines. and eeeenw— adding to waistlines. and eeeenwle— adding to waistlines. and obesity a massive crisis and obesity is a massive crisis and a obesity is a massive crisis and e big— obesity is a massive crisis and e big eween— obesity is a massive crisis and e big eween en— obesity is a massive crisis and a big burden on the nhs. »2; a big burden on the nhs. albie do a big burden on the nhs. albie en you— a big burden on the nhs. albie

pe you wink— a big burden on the nhs. albie do you think we— a big burden on the nhs. albie do you think we should tax? sorry we sorry benjamin. do you think we should big food , as alex should tax big food, as alex says, or the consumer rather? well, i think you can tax well, i think you can tax both well, i think you can tax both we— well, i think you can tax both the consumer— well, i think you can tax both the consumer and big food by way of the consumer and big food by way en e— the consumer and big food by way en e engen— the consumer and big food by way en e eween tex- — the consumer and big food by way of a sugar tax. one— the consumer and big food by way of a sugar tax. on2 of a sugar tax. one of the things that the sugar tax did was not just change people's behaviour, but it also made big food companies change the ingredients that were going into their are making their foods that are making people obese. so actually, i wink— people obese. so actually, i wink wet— people obese. so actually, i think that the _ people obese. so actually, i think that the sugar- so actually, i think that the sugar tax eeweuw— think that the sugar tax actually seems to be quite an effective— actually seems to be quite an effective tool— actually seems to be quite an effective tool at— actually seems to be quite an effective tool at making big businesses— effective tool at making big businesses change the way that new— businesses change the way that they epenete — businesses change the way that they operate and— businesses change the way that they operate and making people enenee— they operate and making people enenee wen— they operate and making people change their habits. yeah, change their food habits. yeah, eeeewee— change their food habits. yeah, eeeewee-tne- change their food habits. yeah, because-the real- change their food habits. yeah, because the real hit change their food habits. yeah, beca isa the real hit change their food habits. yeah, beca is on the real hit change their food habits. yeah, beca is on the the real hit change their food habits. yeah, beca is on the companies hit change their food habits. yeah, beca is on the companies because here is on the companies because they— here is on the companies because they knew— here is on the companies because they knew we— here is on the companies because they know that the _ here is on the companies because they know that the price of new— they know that the price of their products— they know that the price of their products going up makes peepee—eww- their products going up makes peepee—eww nl people less likely to buy it. ane— people less likely to buy it. and ee— people less likely to buy it. and so instead— people less likely to buy it. and so instead of a tax actually pene— and so instead of a tax actually being eppnee— and so instead of a tax actually being applied te— and so instead of a tax actually being applied to the consumer, wne— being applied to the consumer, wnet wen-we— being applied to the consumer, what you've seen _ being applied to the consumer, what you've seen in loads of examples,— what you've seen in loads of exenpieelpw— what you've seen in loads of examples, put iron brew, you examples, i'd put iron brew, you knew,— examples, i'd put iron brew, you knew, we— examples, i'd put iron brew, you know, the-popular- examples, i'd put iron brew, you know, the popular fizzy know, the most popular fizzy ennk— know, the most popular fizzy ennk p..— know, the most popular fizzy drink in scotland as one is that new— drink in scotland as one is that they neeweee— drink in scotland as one is that they reduced the— drink in scotland as one is that they reduced the amount of sugar so they reduced the amount of sugar ee-tex— they reduced the amount of sugar ee-tex ween-t— they reduced the amount of sugar so tax wasn't applied. so that the tax wasn't applied. ane— so that the tax wasn't applied. ene enee— so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works— so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works well, _ so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works well, but- so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works well, but it- so that the tax wasn't applied. and that works well, but it just tastes terrible doesn't it? does no one care about taste does no one care about the taste of does no one care about the taste ef—enwnene- does no one care about the taste ef—enwnenee - does no one care about the taste of_anymore ? dairy|

of these foods anymore? dairy wen.— of these foods anymore? dairy wen-knew— of these foods anymore? dairy well,-know what,- of these foods anymore? dairy well, know what, though? well, you know what, though? if syntax proven work, syntax aces were proven to work, i most people here might i reckon most people here might be all right, well, be saying, all right, well, hunky days. this is hunky dory happy days. this is the thing do. take the best thing to do. but take nicola sturgeon , for example. nicola sturgeon, for example. remember put in place remember her? she put in place minimum. put in place minimum. she put in place minimum. she put in place minimum unit alcohol pricing on alcohol to ban cheap booze basically being sold in supermarkets , just probably in supermarkets, just probably in desperate need for a drink right now. know, she it didn't now. but you know, she it didn't work. emily did it? evidence no, it didn't work. it didn't work. all it did was make people poorer because people still want a drink and you clearly a drink and albie you clearly weren't to my weren't listening to my monologue, spiel. there , were monologue, my spiel. there, were you? neeewee— monologue, my spiel. there, were you? neeewee w— monologue, my spiel. there, were you? because i said— monologue, my spiel. there, were you? because i said since- q there, were you? because i said since 2018, when— you? because i said since 2018, wnenlwnen— you? because i said since 2018, which-when the— you? because i said since 2018, which when the sugar tax came which is when the sugar tax came inte— which is when the sugar tax came inte eenen— which is when the sugar tax came inte eenen ,— which is when the sugar tax came into action , obesity— which is when the sugar tax came into action , obesity has only into action, obesity has only pene— into action, obesity has only gene-ane— into action, obesity has only gone-and guess- into action, obesity has only gone and guess what? the gone up. and guess what? the peppe— gone up. and guess what? the public neenn— gone up. and guess what? the public health lobby, they were gone up. and guess what? the pubonesealth lobby, they were gone up. and guess what? the pubonesealth wanted hey were gone up. and guess what? the pubonesealth wanted hejlocke gone up. and guess what? the pubonesealth wanted hejlock down the ones who wanted to lock down ew.eenew -tne— the ones who wanted to lock down everyone.-the peak- the ones who wanted to lock down everyone. the peak in everyone. where's the peak in eeeenwe— everyone. where's the peak in eeeenwe-one— everyone. where's the peak in obesity?-one 2021- everyone. where's the peak in obesity? one 2021 because obesity? no. one 2021 because eweenew— obesity? no. one 2021 because everyone was stuck home. everyone was stuck at home. no eeene— everyone was stuck at home. no one's arguing there's one's arguing that there's a eeweee— one's arguing that there's a causal relationship the causal relationship between the engen— causal relationship between the eween-eeeenw. - causal relationship between the sugar obesity. sugar tax and obesity. people are-arguing— sugar tax and obesity. people are arguing that it's are just arguing that it's a useful tool when comes to useful tool when it comes to companies changing their recipes and people changing their eating and people changing their eating

and habits. can i just and drinking habits. can ijust say that, you know,— and drinking habits. can ijust say that, you know,-alexi say that, you know, and alex pene— say that, you know, and alex eeene—n- say that, you know, and alex eeene—n el say that, you know, and alex| eeene—n e e quite rightly hit upon it a lot of quite rightly hit upon it a lot en big— quite rightly hit upon it a lot of big companies , whether it's of big companies, whether it's feet— of big companies, whether it's feet need— of big companies, whether it's teet teee en— of big companies, whether it's fast food or things we don'ti even—unhealthy fast food or things we don't. even—unhealthy , even recognise as unhealthy, newe— even recognise as unhealthy, newe pet— even recognise as unhealthy, newe pet nee— even recognise as unhealthy, have put more salt and more engen— have put more salt and more eween tn— have put more salt and more sugar in those— have put more salt and more sugar in those foods over the teet— sugar in those foods over the teet new— sugar in those foods over the last few decades. 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' n: e etc»: »tl you know, i used to addictive. you know, i used to en— addictive. you know, i used to eet e— addictive. you know, i used to eet e tet— addictive. you know, i used to eet e tet et— etc»: »tl you know, i used to eat a lot of mcdonald's and i wette— eat a lot of mcdonald's and i would notice,— eat a lot of mcdonald's and i would notice, you— eat a lot of mcdonald's and i would notice, you know, if i newe— would notice, you know, if i have mcdonald's wants every now and have mcdonald's wants every now ene-en— have mcdonald's wants every now and-or something- have mcdonald's wants every now and or something similar , and again or something similar, i and again or something similar, ttnen— and again or something similar, i then - because - and again or something similar, i then because there's i then crave it because there's eteenw— i then crave it because there's eteenw tne— i then crave it because there's clearly the kind— i then crave it because there's clearly the kind of salt and engen— clearly the kind of salt and sugar content— clearly the kind of salt and sugar content is- clearly the kind of salt and sugar content is addictive in tneee— sugar content is addictive in tneee teete— sugar content is addictive in those foods. _ sugar content is addictive in those foods. and- sugar content is addictive in those foods. ' n: those foods. and that's one of the reasons why companies, you know, full of know, pile these foods full of it . i think a know, pile these foods full of it. i think a big problem that we eetwettw— it. i think a big problem that we actually-is- e i think a big problem that we actually is most people we actually have is most people ten-t— we actually have is most people| een-t—tnew-ne don't actually know what they're eettne — eating when they're eating it, eepeetettw— eating when they're eating it,| especially—buying especially when you're buying teete— especially when you're buying foods _street. - especially when you're buying foods—street. if. foods of the high street. if wetne— foods of the high street. if wee-ne—et- foods of the high street. if you're—of those foods of the high street. if- you're_of those sort foods of the high street. if- y0lyou-of those sort foods of the high street. if y0lyou know, of those sort foods of the high street. if y0lyou know, big of those sort foods of the high street. if y0lyou know, big milkyise sort foods of the high street. if y0lyou know, big milky sugar't of, you know, big milky sugar teeen— of, you know, big milky sugar laden drinks— of, you know, big milky sugar laden drinks from a coffee shop, eepeetettw— laden drinks from a coffee shop, eepeetettw tne — laden drinks from a coffee shop, especially the iced— laden drinks from a coffee shop, especially the iced ones in summer, you're talking hundreds and summer, you're talking hundreds ene nwneneee— summer, you're talking hundreds and hundreds of— summer, you're talking hundreds and hundreds of calories. but peepte—tnew-nel people don't realise they're tneeettne— ingesting those calories because they— ingesting those calories because tnew—ennt. i they think, well, it's a drink. tte— they think, well, it's a drink. tte-eetne- they think, well, it's a drink. tte-eetne te- they think, well, it's a drink. it's-going to be- they think, well, it's a drink. it's going to be okay. it's probably going to be okay. ane— it's probably going to be okay. anelt— it's probably going to be okay. anelt tntnt— it's probably going to be okay. and-i think-need- it's probably going to be okay. and i think need better and so i think we need better nepwtetten— regulation. it's interesting, ten-t— regulation. it's interesting. isn't—government isn't it, that the government eeeettw— isn't it, that the government obesity subsequently obesity tsar has subsequently eteee— obesity tsar has subsequently eteee eewn — obesity tsar has subsequently stood down saying this government- stood down saying this government is not doing enough

to government is not doing enough te—enete— government is not doing enough te—enete ene- government is not doing enough to crisis and they're to tackle the crisis and they're net— to tackle the crisis and they're net-enewen— to tackle the crisis and they're net-enewen-etl not doing enough because of weed— not doing enough because of vested industry— not doing enough because of vested industry interests. wett— vested industry interests. well,-about- vested industry interests. well, _about personalj well, what about personal responsibility? do we believe in that anymore? if you gorge on junk food, is that not your fault? and the government it's not the government's job to tell you or to try and with recipes. the responsibility . the personal responsibility. tneee-u— the personal responsibility. tneee-u ee— the personal responsibility. there'll be a— the personal responsibility. there'll be a lot of people out tneee— there'll be a lot of people out tneee new— there'll be a lot of people out there now going— there'll be a lot of people out there now going for a vegan pa,— there now going for a vegan diet, thinking,— there now going for a vegan diet, thinking, has diet, thinking, well, this has got— diet, thinking, well, this has eet te— diet, thinking, well, this has pet telnwen— diet, thinking, well, this has got to.much-for. diet, thinking, well, this has got to much for me. got to be much better for me. twewene-e— got to be much better for me. everyone's-plant- got to be much better for me. everyone's plant plant everyone's saying a plant plant eeeee— everyone's saying a plant plant tweet—teet- everyone's saying a plant plant based—but they'rei based diet is good, but they're eetwettw—ntenwi actually still ingesting highly pneeeeeee— processed food full of additives,— processed food full of additives, sugars processed food full of. additives,-sugars , processed food full of- additives,-sugars , full additives, full of sugars, full of additives, full of sugars, full et eett. — additives, full of sugars, full of salt. information is not of salt. the information is not tneee— of salt. the information is not tneee ten— of salt. the information is not there for people. _ of salt. the information is not there for people. �*ftt2ll there for people. well, you fenne— there for people. well, you found the information . well, you found the information. well, you know, i was lweatherspoon- : well, you know, i was weatherspoon in know, i was in weatherspoon in the know, i was in weatherspoon in tne pepwten— know, i was in weatherspoon in tne pepwten pee— know, i was in weatherspoon in the popular pub chain the other day,— the popular pub chain the other dew—newe- the popular pub chain the other dew—newe tne- day, and i went to have the weeen— day, and i went to have the vegan breakfast— day, and i went to have the vegan breakfast and the veggie tweetteet— vegan breakfast and the veggie tweetteet. ._ vegan breakfast and the veggie breakfast. i think— vegan breakfast and the veggie breakfast. i think it might have been — breakfast. i think it might have been ane— breakfast. i think it might have been and tt— breakfast. i think it might have been. and it was— breakfast. i think it might have been. and it was 100 calories tnen— been. and it was 100 calories more than the— been. and it was 100 calories more than the regular one. and i ute— more than the regular one. and i be, en— more than the regular one. and i was like, oh, well,— more than the regular one. and i was like, oh, well, hang on, tnet-e— was like, oh, well, hang on, that's-really— was like, oh, well, hang on, that's really healthier that's not really a healthier eptten— that's not really a healthier eptten-t- that's not really a healthier eptten-t ee- that's not really a healthier option-i do think| that's not really a healthier- option-i do think that option. and so i do think that information. so you've had the tente— information. so you've had the traffic- system _ information. so you've had the traffic-system on- information. so you've had the traffic-system on on- traffic light system on on various products and various food products and supermarket— various food products and supermarket science. f supermarket science. actually, it's actually not built on secure and secure science. and this is a big the science we big problem. the science that we have which is good

have been told, which is good for you, actually isn't. right. well, got time for you, actually isn't. right. we on got time for you, actually isn't. right. we on that got time for you, actually isn't. right. we on that one. let got time for you, actually isn't. right. we on that one. let us ot time for you, actually isn't. right. we on that one. let us knowe for on that one. let us know wnet— for on that one. let us know we wee— for on that one. let us know what you think— for on that one. let us know what you think about- »2»" let us know what you think about that eeene.— what you think about that debate-think- what you think about that debate. think syntaxes debate. do you think syntaxes wette— debate. do you think syntaxes wente—tnew-ne i work? do you think they're moral eve— work? do you think they're moral evenen—ext- work? do you think they're moral even?_next.albiel work? do you think they're moral even?_next.albie .| even? anyway, up next is albie. ane— even? anyway, up next is albie. ene—te— even? anyway, up next is albie. ene—te tett- even? anyway, up next is albie. and _to talk about. and he is going to talk about why— and he is going to talk about wnv-etwen— and he is going to talk about why-blushlthe- and he is going to talk about why blush the thought why brits blush at the thought of nakedness. _ why brits blush at the thought of nakedness. let's start the deck — of nakedness. let's start the clock. albie— of nakedness. let's start the clock. albie start— of nakedness. let's start the clock. albie start that clock. ow— clock. albie start that clock. on nntten— clock. albie start that clock. our british attitudes- clock. albie start that clock. our british attitudes towards nudhy our british attitudes towards nudity prudish or prudent channel 4 shocked the nation this week with the launch of their new show, naked education dividing opinion, a new television show about all things in the buff bosoms, breast and bottoms, adults stripping off in front of teenagers to teach the nafion front of teenagers to teach the nation all about their bodies. is this deeply concerning and inappropriate ? as tory mps inappropriate? as tory mps miriam cates and jonathan gullis say, or is it a useful antidote to airbrushed pictures? perfect celebrities and unrealistic ? celebrities and unrealistic? germans embrace fkk free body culture. many sunbathe visit saunas and hike naked . it's not

saunas and hike naked. it's not seen as voyeuristic or sexual, but natural and liberating. is it time we brits loosened up a bit? we all have bodies . is bit? we all have bodies. is a new tv show teaching us a little bit more about them? really as horrific as some people say . horrific as some people say. what do you think a brits prudish or prudent about nudity? well there we go. so it has been a well there we go. so it has been e tet— well there we go. so it has been e en et— well there we go. so it has been e en et e— well there we go. so it has been a bit of a controversial- �*ftt2l2 "»n22; q»2» so it has been a bit of a controversial week for a bit of a controversial week ten cnennet— a bit of a controversial week for channel 4. _ a bit of a controversial week for channel 4. inlay 3:2; for channel 4. many people are saying it might be a bit of a gimmick to get people talking about we're talking about it. and we're talking about it. and we're talking about but about about it this evening. but alex phillips , i'm interested to alex phillips, i'm interested to hear you to say about hear what you have to say about this, that nudity this, because i know that nudity and are things you're very and are things that you're very passionate about and you've got in the way , you've got strong, in the way, you've got strong, you've got very strong opinions about about them. so i wonder what you think about this television show. i think we've got age society where got to an age in society where we think how much further can this on? you know, how much we think how much further can this when you know, how much we think how much further can this when you'veznow, how much we think how much further can this when you'veznow, hov know,| more when you've got, you know, nnwete— more when you've got, you know, music—are basically. music videos that are basically een,— music videos that are basically eett—eewnl soft, see, it's feeding down tnte— soft, see, it's feeding down tnte teet— soft, see, it's feeding down into fast fashion— soft, see, it's feeding down into fast fashion the way that teeneee— into fast fashion the way that teenepe ente— into fast fashion the way that teenage girls are— into fast fashion the way that teenage girls are dressing when the teenage girls are dressing when tne—newne- the government is having to

teetetete— the government is having toi legislate _from legislate to stop minors from tnieettne— legislate to stop minors from injecting their— legislate to stop minors from injecting their lips with tttteve— injecting their lips with fillers and— injecting their lips with fillers and getting botox, you veettee— fillers and getting botox, you realise-have- fillers and getting botox, you realise-have a- fillers and getting botox, you realise have a problem . realise we do have a problem. ane— realise we do have a problem. and ._ realise we do have a problem. and . een-t— realise we do have a problem. and i don't necessarily think tne— and i don't necessarily think the need— and i don't necessarily think this naked education show on cnennet— this naked education show on cnennet 4— this naked education show on cnennet e te— this naked education show on channel 4 is the— this naked education show on channel 4 is the problem. and pennepe— channel 4 is the problem. and pennepe tt— channel 4 is the problem. and perhaps it helpful to address perhaps it is helpful to address , vou— perhaps it is helpful to address , ven knew,— perhaps it is helpful to address , you know, what— perhaps it is helpful to address , you know, what real bodies teet— , you know, what real bodies teet ttte. — , you know, what real bodies look like. -it_ , you know, what real bodies look like-itla- , you know, what real bodies look like. it a symptom look like. but it is a symptom of look like. but it is a symptom et ew— look like. but it is a symptom et eee— look like. but it is a symptom of our age, isn't— look like. but it is a symptom of our age, isn't it, that we twe— of our age, isn't it, that we ttvele— of our age, isn't it, that we ttvele eeeptv— of our age, isn't it, that we live a deeply pornified live in a deeply pornified eeetetv— live in a deeply pornified society—sex. live in a deeply pornified. society—sex sells live in a deeply pornified- society_sex sells and society now where sex sells and tneee— society now where sex sells and tneve eeeen-t— society now where sex sells and there doesn't seem— society now where sex sells and there doesn't seem to be any een— there doesn't seem to be any eevt et— there doesn't seem to be any sort of safeguarding, preventing eeen— sort of safeguarding, preventing eewtt tetten— sort of safeguarding, preventing adult fetish being foisted on to adult fetish being foisted onto young— adult fetish being foisted on to young people- _ adult fetish being foisted on to young people. 'n2 adult fetish being foisted on to young people. “n2 young people. and that's i think that's the crucial right? that's the crucial point, right? because screen scream because draghi screen scream drag queen. oh my god, i cannot see it . drag queen story hour. see it. drag queen story hour. that's quite the tongue. twister is in schools now, right? so i think actually, let's just go to the clip and show our viewers what it is that we're actually referencing, because i don't think it's appropriate for kids. that's point . that's the fundamental point. physical . so that's the fundamental point. physical. so i that's the fundamental point. physical . so i couldn't look at physical. so i couldn't look at them . i don't think my cat has them. i don't think my cat has even got that much hair. you're giggling quite a_

even got that much hair. you're giggling quite a lot_ even got that much hair. you're giggling quite a lot ,- even got that much hair. you're giggling quite a lot , but- q»2» “let“ 2 you're giggling quite a lot, but then i'm giggling quite a lot, but then tn etweve— giggling quite a lot, but then i'm always the— giggling quite a lot, but then i'm always the one that giggles . wett— i'm always the one that giggles . wett. new— i'm always the one that giggles . well, how do— i'm always the one that giggles . well, how do you— i'm always the one that giggles . iftt»222 »2»2» �*"»2;»2;?’ ifeel . well, how do you feel? i feel fine . casual, cool , not- . iftt»222 »2»2» �*"»2;»2;?’ ifeel fine . casual, cool , not even fine. casual, cool, not even eetnevee— fine. casual, cool, not even eetnevee . — fine. casual, cool, not even bothered . i— fine. casual, cool, not even bothered . 2 fine. casual, cool, not even bothered . bothered. i mean, i've never beenin bothered. i mean, i've never been in a room with four naked people. they've never been in a wttn— people. they've never been in a room with four— people. they've never been in a room with four naked— they've never been in a room with four naked people . room with four naked people. newe— room with four naked people. nevee en — room with four naked people. maybe dr. alex— room with four naked people. maybe dr. alex has . room with four naked people. maybe dr. alex has. i'm not room with four naked people. maybe dr. alex has . i'm not sure maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . emet— maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . elna, ven-ve— maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . elliot, you've got— maybe dr. alex has. i'm not sure . elliot, you've got naked peepte— . elliot, you've got naked people standing in front of you. yes:— people standing in front of you. vee. ._ people standing in front of you. vee. . ee— people standing in front of you. vee. . ee . te— people standing in front of you. yes, i do. is this— people standing in front of you. yes, i do. is this a— people standing in front of you. “25 »2»2» is this a new thing? yes, i do. is this a new thing? a ne— yes, i do. is this a new thing? a new experience?— n25 »2»2» is this a new thing? a new experience? i'm guessing it a new experience? i'm guessing tt pveeeetv— a new experience? i'm guessing tt pveeeetv te. — a new experience? i'm guessing it probably is. / e it probably is. yeah, it is a bit. i mean , albie we were told, bit. i mean, albie we were told, right, that we need the channel 4 because channel 4 is there to educate the nation. if you ask me , channel 4 was just there to me, channel 4 was just there to spread perversion throughout the nafion spread perversion throughout the nation . well, look, as i am a nation. well, look, as i am a pveteeetenet— nation. well, look, as i am a pveteeetenet ,— nation. well, look, as i am a professional , i— nation. well, look, as i am a professional , i did- well, look, as i am a professional , i did actually professional, i did actually weten— professional, i did actually weten tne— professional, i did actually watch the entire show longer tnen— watch the entire show longer tnen-enttve— watch the entire show longer than-entire-and. than that entire clip. and i wetenee— than that entire clip. and i wetenee t.— than that entire clip. and i watched it. and- than that entire clip. and i watched it. and i was actually nette— watched it. and i was actually ewtte nevee— watched it. and i was actually ewtte nevee tw— watched it. and i was actually quite moved by some of the conversations— quite moved by some of the conversations they were having. tneve — conversations they were having. there conversations about there were conversations about peet—netet— there were conversations about post—natal depression in there were—eeen- post—natal depression in there were—about what were conversations about what nenet— were conversations about what nevnet-netv— were conversations about what normal-hair looks- were conversations about what normal hair looks like, normal body hair looks like, veettv— normal body hair looks like, veettv-tntnee. - normal body hair looks like, really things. and really important things. and eetwettv— really important things. and- eetwettv—neve actually we don't normally have in actually we don't normally have tn pepwtev— actually we don't normally have in popular society. _ actually we don't normally have in popular society. to come in popular society. so to come teet— in popular society. so to come eeet te— in popular society. so to come eeet te wnet— in popular society. so to come back to what alex— in popular society. so to come back to what alex was just eevtne— back to what alex was just eevtne ,— back to what alex was just eevtne , tnttw— back to what alex was just

saying , emily, you back to what alex was just saying , emily,.you that saying, emily, do you feel that eetwettv— saying, emily, do you feel that actually maybe _ saying, emily, do you feel that actually maybe this is an entteete— actually maybe this is an antidote-of- actually maybe this is an- antidote-of-more antidote to some of the more pene— antidote to some of the more pevte et— antidote to some of the more more parts of society because tne— more parts of society because the te— more parts of society because this is showing— more parts of society because this is showing what real people teet— this is showing what real people teet twee — this is showing what real people look like? well,— this is showing what real people look like? well, i'm— this is showing what real people look like? iftt»2ll 3.2»2; look like? well, i'm not sure because some of the children there 14 years old. i'm not there were 14 years old. i'm not sure how much benefit it is to see adults stripped off. but i want to ask you , what is the want to ask you, what is the optimal level of nudity in society? because you were talking about germany and yes , talking about germany and yes, they sometimes like to . well, i they sometimes like to. well, i think they like naturism more than us, that sort of thing. sweden as well, um, likes to be well, be nude a little more. what's the optimal level? i don't think there is an 7 i don't think there is an optimal tevet— don't think there is an optimal tevet et— don't think there is an optimal level of nudity. _ don't think there is an optimal level of nudity. i— don't think there is an optimal level of nudity. i think it's up to individuals— level of nudity. i think it's up to individuals to— level of nudity. i think it's up to individuals to decide what we— to individuals to decide what tnev went— to individuals to decide what tnev went te— to individuals to decide what they want to do, _ to individuals to decide what they want to do, as as they want to do, as long as tnev-ve— they want to do, as long as tnev-ve net— they want to do, as long as they're not harming other peepte— they're not harming other peepte. ._ they're not harming other people. i think that's point people. i think that's the point .—. pe- people. i think that's the point .—. te evel . so the question is, is are tetevteten— . so the question is, is are television shows- . so the question is, is are television shows like this, eenen— television shows like this, darren, harming the teenagers 14 and darren, harming the teenagers 14 ene te— darren, harming the teenagers 14 end we te— darren, harming the teenagers 14 end we te te— darren, harming the teenagers 14 and 14 to 16 year— darren, harming the teenagers 14 and 14 to 16 year olds that are wetentne— and 14 to 16 year olds that are watching them? _ and 14 to 16 year olds that are watching them? iftt»2ll watching them? well, as you rightly say , i haven't actually rightly say, i haven't actually watched the programme, but as i understand it, they do have trans participation in the show. so to me, this is they get that

in schools these days. they get told that it's not a gingerbread man, it's a gingerbread for them or something. do they? they do do. now gender ideology on do. and now gender ideology on channel 4 news and within schools , it's everywhere. it's schools, it's everywhere. it's pervasive and it's. i don't know why we need this in front of schools and kids, but is it harmful, benjamin, for people to see all different kinds of bodies, trans bodies or otherwise? well, i'll tell you wnet.— otherwise? well, i'll tell you wnet. n— otherwise? well, i'll tell you what. if emily— otherwise? well, i'll tell you what. if emily wants- 7 well, i'll tell you what. if emily wants fewer tetttee— what. if emily wants fewer fatties-those- what. if emily wants fewer fatties those bums put what. if emily wants fewer- fatties-those bums put me fatties seeing those bums put me off fatties seeing those bums put me ett-tev— fatties seeing those bums put me ett-tev e— fatties seeing those bums put me ett-tev e tene— fatties seeing those bums put me off-for a long time- fatties seeing those bums put me off-for a long time ,- fatties seeing those bums put me off for a long time , that off eating for a long time, that net. — off eating for a long time, that net. tn— off eating for a long time, that was not. i'm sorry— off eating for a long time, that was not. i'm sorry if you're eettne— was not. i'm sorry if you're eating-dinner- was not. i'm sorry if you're eating-dinner at- was not. i'm sorry if you're eating dinner at home right was not. i'm sorry if you're eatin but dinner at home right was not. i'm sorry if you're eatin but look,iner at home right was not. i'm sorry if you're eatin but look, her at home right was not. i'm sorry if you're eatin but look, i actuallyne right was not. i'm sorry if you're eatin but look, i actually think, �*it now, but look, i actually think, you— now, but look, i actually think, ven-wnen— now, but look, i actually think, ven-wnen ._ now, but look, i actually think, you-when i first- now, but look, i actually think, you when i first saw about you know, when i first saw about tne— you know, when i first saw about the preteen.— you know, when i first saw about the pvepven. ._ you know, when i first saw about this program, i felt— this program, i felt uncomfortable about it. i tnewent— uncomfortable about it. i tnewpnt tt— uncomfortable about it. i thought it was- uncomfortable about it. i thought it was a very peculiar teee. —tneve- thought it was a very peculiar idea._there not. idea. you know, is there not eenetntne— idea. you know, is there not something-odd- idea. you know, is there not something odd about having something a bit odd about having netee— naked adults in front of in tent— naked adults in front of in front-teenagers- naked adults in front of in front teenagers , but front of teenagers, but eetwettw— front of teenagers, but actually, you - front of teenagers, but actually, you know, the naked peev— actually, you know, the naked. petty—we body isn't inherently sexual. we neve— body isn't inherently sexual. we neve eveetee— body isn't inherently sexual. we have created and— body isn't inherently sexual. we have created and live in a eeetetv— have created and live in a society where _ have created and live in a society where the only way in when— society where the only way in wnten we — society where the only way in which we see _ society where the only way in which we see private parts of etnev— which we see private parts of etnev peepte— which we see private parts of other people or— which we see private parts of other people or the suggestion of other people or the suggestion et tneee— other people or the suggestion et tneee pene— other people or the suggestion of those parts is— other people or the suggestion of those parts is in or is in intentionally— of those parts is in or is in

intentionally explicit music vteeee— intentionally explicit music vteeee ev— intentionally explicit music videos or films,— intentionally explicit music videos or films, those elements of videos or films, those elements et ewttwe— videos or films, those elements et ewttwe. we — videos or films, those elements of culture, we see— videos or films, those elements of culture, we see people's teetee— of culture, we see people's teetee eu— of culture, we see people's bodies all the— of culture, we see people's bodies all the time and it's eexwetteee— bodies all the time and it's sexualised . _ bodies all the time and it's sexualised . and- bodies all the time and it's sexualised . 2»2 2 sexualised. and actually, i think especially for our generation and a bit younger than us, you know, they are constantly subjected to artificial ideas of what other people's bodies look like . often people's bodies look like. often the people in the pictures don't even look like that. they've edhed even look like that. they've edited it. and _ even look like that. they've edited it. and so— even look like that. they've edited it. and so i- 2 l they've edited it. and so i think a program— edited it. and so i think a pvepven ute— edited it. and so i think a program like this to see real teetee— program like this to see real bodies, comfortable with bodies, to be comfortable with tneee— bodies, to be comfortable with tneee-eet— bodies, to be comfortable with tneee-eet et— bodies, to be comfortable with those out of sexual bodies, to be comfortable with those and out of sexual bodies, to be comfortable with those and tout of sexual bodies, to be comfortable with those and to be if sexual bodies, to be comfortable with those and to be happylual bodies, to be comfortable with those and to be happy about context and to be happy about the context and to be happy about tne nwnen— context and to be happy about the human form,— context and to be happy about the human form, i think that's a peed— the human form, i think that's a peed-ane— the human form, i think that's a peed-ene tn— the human form, i think that's a good _and in that- the human form, i think that's a good and in that vein, good idea. and in that vein, twee.— good idea. and in that vein, atew—tete- good idea. and in that vein, atew—tete e- good idea. and in that vein,| alex,_take a more alex, should we take a more een— alex, should we take a more eeenen-te- alex, should we take a more german to nudity? german approach to nudity? snewte— german approach to nudity? should-seeing- german approach to nudity? should seeing more normal should we be seeing more normal netee— should we be seeing more normal netee teetee— should we be seeing more normal naked bodies in— should we be seeing more normal naked bodies in everyday life? tne— naked bodies in everyday life? tne eevnene— naked bodies in everyday life? the germans are— naked bodies in everyday life? the germans are fine with it. wett— the germans are fine with it. wett. jim— the germans are fine with it. wett. jim nee— the germans are fine with it. well, jim has been— the germans are fine with it. well, jim has been fine- the germans are fine with it. well, jim has been fine with things i'm not fine with for a long time. but look, these long time. but look, if these characters stood outside the school gate in the buff, they'd get yeah, it would be school gate in the buff, they'd geform yeah, it would be school gate in the buff, they'd geform of yeah, it would be school gate in the buff, they'd geform of child ah, it would be school gate in the buff, they'd geform of child abuse./ould be school gate in the buff, they'd geform of child abuse. right?e school gate in the buff, they'd geform of child abuse. right? so a form of child abuse. right? so i'm you know, it's i'm actually, you know, it's quite disconcerting. i think there arguments to make there are arguments to make about the body. about normalising the body. i think that's but, know think that's true. but, you know , i was on a skiing holiday in austria christmas, went austria over christmas, went

into the sauna, thought was into the sauna, thought i was the person in the hotel the only person in the hotel because i don't ski, went down, the only person in the hotel becinse i don't ski, went down, the only person in the hotel becin the don't ski, went down, the only person in the hotel becin the sauna;ki, went down, the only person in the hotel becin the sauna in went down, the only person in the hotel becin the sauna in mynt down, the only person in the hotel becin the sauna in my swimming sat in the sauna in my swimming costume a costume because i'm not a german. in came an entire german. and in came an entire austrian family, all naked mother, father , children. and mother, father, children. and honestly, i felt like it was just really uncomfortable. it was awkward and yeah, no , i'm was awkward and yeah, no, i'm sorry. how long did you wait to leave ? yeah, it was kind of leave? yeah, it was kind of ute— leave? yeah, it was kind of ttte. vee— leave? yeah, it was kind of like, you know,— 7 yeah, it was kind of like, you know, you sit there ene— like, you know, you sit there ene ven — like, you know, you sit there ene ven een— like, you know, you sit there and you sort of— like, you know, you sit there and you sort of put the thermometer- and you sort of put the thermometer on the wall and pretend— thermometer on the wall and pretend vente— thermometer on the wall and pretend you're bit hot. “»2 pretend you're a bit hot. and my tne-e— pretend you're a bit hot. and my tneee-tn— pretend you're a bit hot. and my time's-i'm going. i'm. pretend you're a bit hot. and myi time's-i'm going. i'm not time's up now i'm going. i'm not part naked. can i just part of family naked. can i just say.— part of family naked. can i just eev. ewetv— part of family naked. can i just say, surely the problem with that problem you had, that was a problem that you had, not that they had. that was a problem that you had, not that's that they had. that was a problem that you had, not that's verythat they had. that was a problem that you had, not that's very different,had. and that's very different, nente— and that's very different, none-te- and that's very different, nente-te e- and that's very different, right?-is a you. and that's very different,- right?-is a you know, right? if there is a you know, i nneen-e tet- right? if there is a you know, i| nneen-e tet-tn mean, i spend a lot of time in seenetnevte.— mean, i spend a lot of time in scandinavia-to- scandinavia. i've been to ttntene— scandinavia. i've been to finlandllot._ scandinavia. i've been to finland lot. and you have finland a lot. and you have need— finland a lot. and you have netee-ene— finland a lot. and you havei naked-and-naked naked saunas and non naked eeenee-vew— naked saunas and non nakedi saunas-you-which naked saunas and non naked- saunas-you-which one saunas and you choose which one you saunas and you choose which one ven—tnte. — saunas and you choose which one ven—tnte. ane- saunas and you choose which one you—into. and that's. you want to go into. and that's nne.— you want to go into. and that's nne—te- you want to go into. and that's nne—te ett- fine. if adults want to sit evenne— fine. if adults want to sit around naked— fine. if adults want to sit around naked together in a eeene—etepl around naked together in a- sauna,_stop them? sauna, who am ito stop them? we— sauna, who am ito stop them? it's-different— sauna, who am ito stop them? it's different adults it's very different adults etenetne—tni it's very different adults standing—in of standing there naked in front of teeneeeve— teenagers. right. and i can see we— teenagers. right. and i can see tnet-te— teenagers. right. and i can see that-is,-know,- that this is, you know, a program— program that has been thoughtfully together some thoughtfully put together some new— thoughtfully put together some ntpnt ee.we — thoughtfully put together some might argue. but it does beg the eweetten— might argue. but it does beg the question, acceptable, might argue. but it does beg the quescan't acceptable, might argue. but it does beg the quescan't parents acceptable, might argue. but it does beg the quescan't parents turn ptable, might argue. but it does beg the quescan't parents turn upble, might argue. but it does beg the quescan't parents turn up ine, might argue. but it does beg the quescan't parents turn up in the why can't parents turn up in the ewe— why can't parents turn up in the we et— why can't parents turn up in the we et tne— why can't parents turn up in the

buff at the school— why can't parents turn up in the buff at the school gate ? what's buff at the school gate? what's the buff at the school gate? what's tne-e — buff at the school gate? what's the-? benjamin- the difference? benjamin butterworth, do you see the jump from channel four's naked education to parents turning up to the buff to pick up their children? no, but i mean, look , children? no, but i mean, look, you— children? no, but i mean, look, vew knew.— children? no, but i mean, look, vew tnew. en— children? no, but i mean, look, you know, on the— children? no, but i mean, look, you know, on the one- »2.2 »2 ”»227’ no, but i mean, look, you know, on the one hand, »22 »2 ”»227’ no, but i mean, look, you know, on the one hand, you netee— you know, on the one hand, you see naked bike— you know, on the one hand, you see naked bike rides, for exempte— see naked bike rides, for example, certainly in central teneen. — example, certainly in central london. unfortunately, that's something people something that people do. and i don't you know , when i'm having don't you know, when i'm having a in i don't really a latte in soho, i don't really want to see sort of, you know, 200 aged men with 200 middle aged men with with their think their bits out. right. i think it's but actually, you it's odd, but actually, you know, been journey know, i've been on a journey this this question this week about this question because we should become because i think we should become more comfortable. you know, i, i am that inclination an i am not of that inclination an i have no desire to be a naturist , but you'll be relieved to , but you'll all be relieved to know don't like to show my know i don't like to show my body off right ? i like to be body off right? i like to be sort of fully covered, you know, that's my preference. but then do i have that preference? because i problematic ideas because i have problematic ideas about what the body is meant to look this would look like. and this would overcome it. and that's the conclusion come to. you conclusion i've come to. you know not sure know what? i'm not i'm not sure as know what? i'm not i'm not sure ee—tt— know what? i'm not i'm not sure ee—tt wewte- know what? i'm not i'm not sure as_it would actually. as a teenager it would actually mete— as a teenager it would actually. make—comfortable. make me feel more comfortable. i tntnt— make me feel more comfortable. i tntnt tt— make me feel more comfortable. i tntnt tt mighi— make me feel more comfortable. i think it might actually make me

feel think it might actually make me teet—tnwe- think it might actually make me feel—thus seeingi feel more anxious. thus seeing the feel more anxious. thus seeing tne netee— feel more anxious. thus seeing the naked bodies— feel more anxious. thus seeing the naked bodies up there, it eentetnw— the naked bodies up there, it certainly might— the naked bodies up there, it certainly might make me more teentwt— certainly might make me more teevtwt. ae— certainly might make me more teevtwt. ae e— certainly might make me more fearful. as a 14— certainly might make me more fearful. as a 14 year old of the mete— fearful. as a 14 year old of the nete peev— fearful. as a 14 year old of the nete eeew tt— fearful. as a 14 year old of the male body, ifisaw_ fearful. as a 14 year old of the male body, if saw naked man male body, if i saw a naked man etenetne— male body, if i saw a naked man etenetnp nont— male body, if i saw a naked man standing right in— male body, if i saw a naked man standing right in front of me or , vou— standing right in front of me or . vew knew.— standing right in front of me or vyou tnew. netw— standing right in front of me or , you know, hairy with his with his , you know, hairy with his with we penttete— , you know, hairy with his with his genitals out,— , you know, hairy with his with his genitals out, that would eetwettv— his genitals out, that would actually probably be quite an tnttnteettne— actually probably be quite an. intimidating—not intimidating experience. and not eenetntne— intimidating experience. and not something necessarily something that i necessarily neee— something that i necessarily neee te— something that i necessarily need to respect— something that i necessarily need to respect or or enjoy even or need to respect or or enjoy even ev teen— need to respect or or enjoy even ev teen teen — need to respect or or enjoy even ev teen teen et— need to respect or or enjoy even or learn from at the— need to respect or or enjoy even or learn from at the age of 14. went— or learn from at the age of 14. went yew— or learn from at the age of 14. don't you think— or learn from at the age of 14. don't you think ? _ or learn from at the age of 14. don't you think ? don't you think? but a few years earlier than that, you know, it wouldn't be remotely odd that a parent and their child, you know, each other know, would might see each other naked to have naked. well, i'm going to have to naked. well, i'm going to have te-vew— naked. well, i'm going to have te-vew ett— naked. well, i'm going to have to-you off there,— : well, i'm going to have to you off there, benjamin, to cut you off there, benjamin, eeeewee— to cut you off there, benjamin, because—still. because coming up, we still neve. — because coming up, we still have. _actually- because coming up, we still have. 2 have. well, actually yours, the benjamin's let ipsis benjamin's bugbear. let ipsis vexed. and of course , darren's vexed. and of course, darren's debate. benjamin. benjamin is up first, though, and he's going to tell us about thinks we tell us about why he thinks we need immigration action. need more immigration action. don't this could get don't go away. this could get spicy

welcome back. cheers very much for . welcome back. cheers very much ten ietntne— . welcome back. cheers very much for joining-saturday- . welcome back. cheers very much ten pwpee—setwveev- . welcome back. cheers very much forchp next,-saturday- welcome back. cheers very much forchp next, it's saturday welcome back. cheers very much forchp next, it's benjamin.ay five. up next, it's benjamin. nee— five. up next, it's benjamin. we going— five. up next, it's benjamin. he's going-tell- five. up next, it's benjamin. he's going tell about why he's going to tell her about why he he's going to tell her about why neneve—- he's going to tell her about why neneve— ten- he thinks we need more for tnntpvetten— he thinks we need more for. immigration.-clock. immigration. start the clock. nwette— immigration. start the clock. eeene—te- immigration. start the clock. i nwette—te wnv immigration. start the clock. i butneed_is why immigration. start the clock. i butneed more-is why immigration. start the clock. bu

pepwtetten— maintain the current amount of pepwteeev— maintain the current amount of pepwteeev-eee— maintain the current amount of poputoday see their 100th born today will see their 100th etnneev. — birthday. the truth is, immigrants contribute more than the person the average british born person by £2,300 a year. if we're going to we're to pay for pensions, if we're going public going to pay for public services, workers services, we need more workers to million to fill the 2.6 million vacancies we're to vacancies that we're going to have in this economy by 2030. and should and that is why britain should open what open the borders. but what do you you all you think? i'm sure you all agree silence . alex, you agree silence. alex, you obviously were a brexit party mep and immigration was a big question there. what do you make of this? look, it's about controlling _ of this? look, it's about controlling our- 37 look, it's about controlling our immigration, not etepptne— controlling our immigration, not stopping immigration altogether . if stopping immigration altogether . tt yew— stopping immigration altogether . tt vew ee— stopping immigration altogether . if you do make— stopping immigration altogether . if you do make valid points eeewt— . if you do make valid points about-migrants- . if you do make valid points about migrants to come . if you do make valid points ab and migrants to come . if you do make valid points ab and in migrants to come . if you do make valid points ab and in fill igrants to come . if you do make valid points ab and in fill positions come . if you do make valid points ab and in fill positions inime in and fill in fill positions in vttet— in and fill in fill positions in vital sectors— in and fill in fill positions in vital sectors-as- in and fill in fill positions in vital sectors as the nhs , vital sectors such as the nhs, ewen— vital sectors such as the nhs, ewen ee— vital sectors such as the nhs, such as.fruit_ vital sectors such as the nhs, such as fruit picking, but such as in fruit picking, but you— such as in fruit picking, but vew iwet— such as in fruit picking, but vew iwet neve— such as in fruit picking, but you just have look the you just have to look at the etettettee— you just have to look at the statistics and— you just have to look at the statistics and the obe are quite veeenttv— statistics and the obe are quite veeenttv en— statistics and the obe are quite recently on the— statistics and the obe are quite recently on the projected rates of immigration,— recently on the projected rates of immigration, is now of immigration, which is now going— of immigration, which is now petne-evewne— of immigration, which is now going around 250,000 per going to be around 250,000 per ween— going to be around 250,000 per ween-tetttne— going to be around 250,000 per year.-talking about- year. you're talking about eeene— year. you're talking about eeetne e— year. you're talking about adding a million people to the pepwtetten— adding a million people to the population-every— adding a million people to the population every four years. population in every four years. ane— population in every four years. ene-tne— population in every four years. ene-tne ont— population in every four years. and-the obe find- population in every four years. and the obe find is the and what the obe find is the vete— and what the obe find is the nee-went.— and what the obe find is the rate lwork, the— and what the obe find is the rate work, the rate output rate of work, the rate of output in rate of work, the rate of output tn tne— rate of work, the rate of output in the - population - rate of work, the rate of output in the population is no in the incoming population is no etttevent— in the incoming population is no different from _ in the incoming population is no different from the— in the incoming population is no different from the domestic pepwtetten— different from the domestic pepwtetten .— different from the domestic population . so— different from the domestic population . so yes, you might population. so yes, you might neve— population. so yes, you might have _workers, - population. so yes, you might have-workers, but- population. so yes, you might have workers, but you also have more workers, but you also etu— have more workers, but you also etttt—te- have more workers, but you also etttt—te teee| still have more mouths to feed eewne— still have more mouths to feed eewne tne— still have more mouths to feed around the table.— still have more mouths to feed around the table. more pressure

on-,_ around the table. more pressure on-, more pressure- on the nhs, more pressure on infrastructure, _ on the nhs, more pressure on. infrastructure, _ on infrastructure, more pressure on housing-— infrastructure, more pressure on newetne.-we— infrastructure, more pressure on housing.-we don't- infrastructure, more pressure on housing. we don't have housing. i mean, we don't have enewen— housing. i mean, we don't have enewpn neweee— housing. i mean, we don't have enough houses in— housing. i mean, we don't have enough houses in country. enough houses in this country. it's enough houses in this country. we ew— enough houses in this country. it's our generation that suffers teen — it's our generation that suffers teen-we— it's our generation that suffers teen-we very— it's our generation that suffers from it's very clear that from that. it's very clear that a from that. it's very clear that e tet— from that. it's very clear that e tet et— from that. it's very clear that a lot of public— from that. it's very clear that a lot of public services and a nwee—etvetn. - a lot of public services and a huge—strain. we. a lot of public services and a. huge—strain. we live huge amounts of strain. we live in huge amounts of strain. we live tn eeettee— huge amounts of strain. we live in backlog britain— huge amounts of strain. we live in backlog britain and so you ennet— in backlog britain and so you ennet twet— in backlog britain and so you cannot just have— in backlog britain and so you cannot just have unfettered tnntpvetten— cannot just have unfettered immigration ._ cannot just have unfettered immigration . you need to have immigration. you need to have eeete— immigration. you need to have eeetevleeetev— immigration. you need to have eeetevleeetev .— immigration. you need to have sector sector , proper sector by sector, proper eentvete— sector by sector, proper controls and - sector by sector, proper controls and points based controls and a points based eveten— controls and a points based system -works. - controls and a points based system works. the controls and a points based system -works. the we've system that works. the one we've got system that works. the one we've eet—eetwnet- system that works. the one we've eet—eetwnet -l got at the moment is defunct. tte— got at the moment is defunct. tt-e weeeeet— got at the moment is defunct. it's useless. hasn't done it's useless. it hasn't done envtntne— it's useless. it hasn't done envtntnp te— it's useless. it hasn't done anything to stem the tide of peepte— anything to stem the tide of. peepte—eewntw anything to stem the tide of- peepte—eewntw . people coming into the country. we people coming into the country. we-tne— people coming into the country. we-tne-een- people coming into the country. we-tne-eevt et- we need the right sort of wevevet— we need the right sort of workers-right. we need the right sort of workers - right of workers with the right sort of qualifications— workers with the right sort of qualifications need qualifications and we do need a cap— qualifications and we do need a eeeenp-— qualifications and we do need a eeeenp- pten— cap so we can plan infrastructure . cap so we can plan- infrastructure . but i mean, infrastructure. but i mean, look, i think it's clear that there of sectors there are lots of sectors where there are lots of sectors where there workers. there aren't enough workers. so you talk about the health and social sector , which is one social care sector, which is one of lowest paid of of the lowest paid and one of the you know , the the toughest jobs. you know, the people are just people that do that are just remarkable people, and they people that do that are just remard0ile people, and they people that do that are just remardo it» people, and they people that do that are just remardo it forople, and they people that do that are just remardo it for the e, and they people that do that are just remardo it for the most they often do it for the most brilliant but how is it brilliant reasons. but how is it justifiable if you don't want many more migrants? why do you say to someone's nan and grandad, oh, you can't get the health care you need health care that you need because there's in the because there's no one in the country is you need where we country is you do need where we have gaps in our labour

have huge gaps in our labour market plugged, have huge gaps in our labour markabsolutely plugged, have huge gaps in our labour markabsolutely . we plugged, have huge gaps in our labour markabsolutely . we takeigged, then absolutely. we take tetentee— then absolutely. we take talented people,- 2 2»2;l«e we take talented people, people with the veewtette— talented people, people with the requisite skills— talented people, people with the requisite skills other requisite skills from other pene— requisite skills from other pee-went.- requisite skills from other parts world. but what we parts of the world. but what we neve— parts of the world. but what we neve et— parts of the world. but what we have at-moment_ parts of the world. but what we have at-moment is- parts of the world. but what we have at moment is an have at the moment is an tnntpvetten— have at the moment is ani immigration—is immigration system that is ettewtne— immigration system that is ettewtnp wev— immigration system that is allowing way too many people and that-contributing— allowing way too many people and that-contributing to- allowing way too many people and that contributing to the that aren't contributing to the eeennv— that aren't contributing to the eeenenvltne — that aren't contributing to the economy-the way- that aren't contributing to the economy the way that economy in the way that people eewe— argue that migrants can contribute— argue that migrants can contribute and contribute to the economy and tneteee— contribute to the economy and instead-putting— contribute to the economy and instead-putting a- contribute to the economy and instead putting a huge instead are putting a huge etvetn— instead are putting a huge etvetn en— instead are putting a huge strain on our— instead are putting a huge strain on our public services. so strain on our public services. se-vew— strain on our public services. ee-vew neee— strain on our public services. ee-vew neee te- strain on our public services. so-you need is a- strain on our public services. so you need is a degree of so what you need is a degree of eteeevnnent— so what you need is a degree of discernment about— so what you need is a degree of discernment about this. you need to discernment about this. you need te ee— discernment about this. you need te tee eete— discernment about this. you need te tee ette te— discernment about this. you need to be able to differentiate between— to be able to differentiate between _who - to be able to differentiate- between _who - going between people who are going to eene-eee— between people who are going to eene-eee te— between people who are going to come _add to the - between people who are going to come add to the economy come in and add to the economy ene— come in and add to the economy ene tneee— come in and add to the economy and those people— come in and add to the economy and those people who going and those people who are going to, and those people who are going te-tee— and those people who are going te-tee e— and those people who are going te-tee e wetn— and those people who are going to,-be a drain on- and those people who are going to,-be a drain on it.- to, frankly be a drain on it. ane— to, frankly be a drain on it. ant tneee-e— to, frankly be a drain on it. and there's another factor that peepte— and there's another factor thati peepte—eeewt people don't like talking about wnen— people don't like talking about when immigration, people don't like talking about whe that immigration, people don't like talking about whethat socialimmigration, people don't like talking about whethat social integrationi, and that is social integration as and that is social integration ee wett. — and that is social integration ee wett. ane— and that is social integration as well. and the— and that is social integration as well. and the more you have eennwntttee— as well. and the more you have communities that— as well. and the more you have communities that become balkanised,_ communities that become balkanised, that become sort of petevteee— balkanised, that become sort of peteneee ene— balkanised, that become sort of polarised and live— balkanised, that become sort of polarised and live in their own een— polarised and live in their own eevt et— polarised and live in their own sort of little— polarised and live in their own sort of little streets and neighbourhoods and don't mix wttn— neighbourhoods and don't mix wttn-et— neighbourhoods and don't mix wttn-et tne— neighbourhoods and don't mix with of the population, with the rest of the population, it with the rest of the population, tt—etvetne— with the rest of the population, tt—etvetne en- it puts huge strains on societies. _ it puts huge strains on societies. you- it puts huge strains on societies. you just have to go to societies. you just have to go te-eeeetet— societies. you just have to go to coastal communities and to some coastal communities and see to some coastal communities and eee—etveetel see how much their high streets neve— see how much their high streets neve eneneee.— see how much their high streets have changed. and you have changed. and then you eweeenw— have changed. and then you suddenly realise— have changed. and then you suddenly realise that this is a nwee— suddenly realise that this is a nwpe tnpeet— suddenly realise that this is a nwpe tnpeet. — suddenly realise that this is a huge impact. »2; suddenly realise that this is a huge impact . »2; »2»2» huge impact. albie what do you think that? it think about that? is it a problem of trying to get people

from to from different backgrounds to integrate? i think over integrate? look i think over over the years since we've had mass migration into the united kingdom, some kingdom, there are some communities integrated communities who have integrated much other much better than other communities. think about my communities. if i think about my grandparents who came over from west africa, in fact, and west africa, ghana, in fact, and a lot of the commonwealth migrants who came over in the 50 seconds seconds, think seconds and 60 seconds, i think people that people would probably argue that they well integrated. people would probably argue that theyof well integrated. people would probably argue that theyof course well integrated. people would probably argue that theyof course , well integrated. people would probably argue that theyof course , despite tegrated. people would probably argue that theyof course , despite that ited. people would probably argue that theyof course , despite that ati. but of course, despite that at the time people were very anti them coming over as well and they were, of course, were coming fill the jobs we coming to fill the jobs that we needed time needed to be filled at the time . so there's issue, . so there's always this issue, this this disconnect the this this disconnect between the jobs that we need filling in the united kingdom the that united kingdom and the jobs that the population in are the native population in are willing do. and it seems at willing to do. and it seems at the moment for the past 40, 50 years, way that plug that years, the way that we plug that is through immigration. think is through immigration. i think actually what need is actually what we need to do is encourage native population encourage the native population to children so that we to have more children so that we can we can actually can actually we can actually fill jobs with the native fill these jobs with the native born population that's long born population. that's a long term strategy, though. immigration in the short term, and put that to and i was going to put that to you, darren, because jacob rees—mogg well, good luck you

rees—mogg well, good luck if you have , you'll find have children, you'll find a wife eventually. but you know, jacob rees—mogg of this parish put this argument on his programme recently that we need a pro—natal approach. we need people to have more kids. but i bet jacob rees—mogg would oppose having mass immigration. so tell me, how do you how do you square that? because we need more people to people and you're not going to get kids at 18 straight away. that decades. ithink that takes two decades. i think other it much other countries do it much better— other countries do it much wetter-ee- other countries do it much better-do in- other countries do it much. better-do in actually better than we do in actually eneewveptne— better than we do in actually encouraging people get encouraging people to get nentee— encouraging people to get married—stayl married and actually stay teeetnev— married and actually stay together and— married and actually stay together and children. together and have children. we neve— together and have children. we have lterrible_ together and have children. we have terrible system in this have a terrible system in this eewntvw— have a terrible system in this couniwv wnten— have a terrible system in this country, which i— have a terrible system in this country, which i think we should eetwettv—tt— country, which i think we should actually-it through. actually encourage it through the actually encourage it through tne-eveten — actually encourage it through the-system-but- actually encourage it through the system but right . the tax system even. but right. i the tax system even. but right. t tntnt— the tax system even. but right. t tntnt nenv— the tax system even. but right. i think many viewers, though, een— i think many viewers, though, nen nententn— i think many viewers, though, ben benjamin will be watching and ben benjamin will be watching ene eewtnp— ben benjamin will be watching and saying, well,— ben benjamin will be watching and saying, well, had 500,000 peepte— and saying, well, had 500,000 peepte eeene— and saying, well, had 500,000 people come here— and saying, well, had 500,000 people come here last year, it's pveetetee— people come here last year, it's predicted that— people come here last year, it's predicted that 80,000 people are going— predicted that 80,000 people are petnpleene— predicted that 80,000 people are petnpleene ve— predicted that 80,000 people are going come over those going to come over in those enet— going to come over in those small boats,— going to come over in those small boats, tom, dick or harry. ane— small boats, tom, dick or harry. ant tt— small boats, tom, dick or harry. and it primarily— small boats, tom, dick or harry. and it primarily is— small boats, tom, dick or harry. and it primarily is tom dick or new.— and it primarily is tom dick or new. eeeewee— and it primarily is tom dick or harry, because it's— and it primarily is tom dick or harry, because it's young men eentne— harry, because it's young men eentne-ene— harry, because it's young men coming and they're saying , coming over and they're saying, wnet— coming over and they're saying, we went— coming over and they're saying, what world are _ coming over and they're saying, what world are you living in? in wnten— what world are you living in? in wnten tneee— what world are you living in? in which there isn't— what world are you living in? in which there isn't already mass ntevetten— which there isn't already mass ntpvetten te— which there isn't already mass migration to this— which there isn't already mass

migration to this country ? migration to this country? i mean, we know— migration to this country? i mean, we know that- migration to this country? i mean, we know that the number of immigrants isn't enough because mean, we know that the number of immigwhy; isn't enough because mean, we know that the number of immigwhy so n't enough because mean, we know that the number of immigwhy so manyough because mean, we know that the number of immigwhy so many sectors cause mean, we know that the number of immigwhy so many sectors can't that's why so many sectors can't keep going . do we need you go keep going. do we need you go around country you will around this country and you will see bars and see pubs and bars and restaurants across this country have adverts in the window. we need more staff . you try to get need more staff. you try to get a for supermarket or a booking for a supermarket or to go and see the shelves to go in and see the shelves being they need being stacked. they say we need more. basically more. so you're basically finish. because finish. let me finish because i'm sorry, but when you sit there and you say that we shouldn't have immigrants, shouldn't have more immigrants, what you're saying to those british you can't british businesses is you can't grow. can't sell those grow. you can't sell those products because there's no one to job. the british to do the job. the british peepte— to do the job. the british peepte. tne— »2»2» the british people, the working class is wet— people, the working class is tnet—een-t- people, the working class is. that—don't matter that their wages don't matter ene— that their wages don't matter ene tne— that their wages don't matter and the depression of their weeee— and the depression of their wages are irrelevant to you eeeewee— wages are irrelevant to you because-want- wages are irrelevant to you because want people in because you want people in eettee—vewl because you want people in. coffee _you know coffee shops. but do you know why— coffee shops. but do you know wnv-eenpentee- coffee shops. but do you know why-companies ? - coffee shops. but do you know why companies ? o22; coffee shops. but do you know- why-companies ? one of the why those companies? one of the reasons they're finding it hard to recruit people because to recruit people is because they're offering wages that are below par, that people can barely live on. and one of the reasons why is because housing and the rental market is just absolutely ridiculous. london, for example , and i don't for example, and i don't

understand how someone on minimum wage working in a pub or in a supermarket or wherever can actually afford to live . and actually afford to live. and yes, you can get migrants from abroad who may all live , you abroad who may all live, you know, in one tiny, one bedroom flat, six of them or whatever, for a couple of years , and then for a couple of years, and then they back home or whatever . they go back home or whatever. but that's not really sustainable. need british sustainable. and we need british people working these people to be working in these jobs. people to be working in these jobs . so need come up with jobs. so we need to come up with a know, a more a more, you know, a more sustainable economy where not every just every year you're just encouraged hundreds and hundreds of people to come of thousands of people to come to those basically those to fill those basically those gaps. you just oh, gaps. you just think, oh, migrants can take those. we shouldn't have an q »232 we shouldn't have an immigration cap shouldn't have an immigrationi eep—we cap as far as i'm concerned. we enewte— cap as far as i'm concerned. wei enewte—teveete should have immigration targets to should have immigration targets te—nenv- should have immigration targets te—nenv peepte| to try and get as many people neve—nwt- to try and get as many people here—but there. to try and get as many people here—but there isi here as possible. but there is enetnev— here as possible. but there is another angle— here as possible. but there is another angle to— here as possible. but there is another angle to that where are we— another angle to that where are tnev—eententnl another angle to that where are tnevit—eententnl another angle to that where are they i going benjamin another angle to that where are they i going benjeis in another angle to that where are they i going benjeis that what i was going to say is that ene—wttn- what i was going to say is thati _wttn wttn one problem we have with with ntevent— one problem we have with with ntpvent nenev— one problem we have with with migrant money is— one problem we have with with migrant money is the rich migrant money is the super rich ttweetene— migrant money is the super rich ttweetene .— migrant money is the super rich russians , chinese— migrant money is the super rich russians , chinese foreign russians, chinese foreign billionaires— russians, chinese foreign billionaires who buy big glass teee— billionaires who buy big glass teee pwt— billionaires who buy big glass towers, put them— billionaires who buy big glass towers, put them in places like eentvet— towers, put them in places like central london,— towers, put them in places like central london, but no one eetwettv— central london, but no one actually lives— central london, but no one actually lives in- central london, but no one actually lives in those homes. we actually lives in those homes. we-etep— actually lives in those homes. we-eteptnet. - actually lives in those homes. we stop that. 3322 actually lives in those homes.- we-stop that. well, on we need to stop that. well, on tnee— we need to stop that. well, on enet-tnee— we need to stop that. well, on that that we've got that note, that is all we've got time for on that one. let us know you think. but know what you think. but still

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here | here- welcome neve- iwelcome back, neve— i welcome back, folks here welcome back, folks. thanks for . welcome back, folks. thanks for joining we— joining us on this saturday ttve— joining us on this saturday ttve. —ttvetv- joining us on this saturdayi five._lively night joining us on this saturday fiv»far. lively night joining us on this saturday fiv»far. know. lively night joining us on this saturday fiv»far. know. inext, night joining us on this saturday fiv»far. know. inext,nigialex so far. know. up next, it's alex ene— so far. know. up next, it's alex ene-vexed.— so far. know. up next, it's alex and-vexed.-goingl so far. know. up next, it's alex. and _vexed.-going to and lex is vexed. she's going to ten—neve- tell us why protests have eteppee— tell us why protests have stopped grassroots stopped being grassroots movements. _ stopped being grassroots. movements. _clock stopped being grassroots- movements. _clock . movements. start the clock. wett— movements. start the clock. wett. yew-e— movements. start the clock. well, you're probably- movements. start the clock. well, you're probably not one of them watching them because you're watching this, one of this, but i bet you know, one of those justice warriors, those social justice warriors, you know, ones like you know, the ones who like to put their twitter put tibbons on their twitter profiles, have those emojis put tibbons on their twitter prltheir. have those emojis put tibbons on their twitter prltheir handlesive those emojis put tibbons on their twitter prltheir handles .e those emojis put tibbons on their twitter prltheir handles . ifthose emojis put tibbons on their twitter prltheir handles . if it'se emojis put tibbons on their twitter prltheir handles . if it's notnojis in their handles. if it's not plant based diets or taking the knee for blm or getting a knickers in a twist about lgbtq rights in qatar or, you know, talking about whether trans people have penises or don't have penises , you're probably have penises, you're probably

doing the bidding of dark forces that you've got no idea about. you're either working on behalf of big tech , big food, or even of big tech, big food, or even worse , actual enemies of the worse, actual enemies of the west. yep i'm talking about foreign influencers who use farms of bots, essentially to drive and amplify big debates in society in the west to tear us apart . it no more society in the west to tear us apart. it no more is society in the west to tear us apart . it no more is activism . apart. it no more is activism. people rising up to push progress in society forward. it's being imposed upon us from the top . and you really have to the top. and you really have to ask yourself why? well there you go. you got five seconds left. wttntn— go. you got five seconds left. wttntn ttve— q»2» you got five seconds left. within five seconds, within a ntnwte. — within five seconds, within a one minute. but— within five seconds, within a one minute. but when i'm listening to that, i think , oh, listening to that, i think, oh, there we go. there we go. cewnteewn— there we go. there we go. countdown is— there we go. there we go. countdown is over. - 2»2;"»2; q»2» there we go. countdown is over. \» »2»2; 2»2;2»2; q»2» there we go. countdown is over. \» »2»2; q countdown is over. nice big tweet— countdown is over. nice big block somewhere . you know, i block somewhere. you know, i don't have one in my head internally, although i should do as a podcast . when internally, although i should do as a podcast. when i was ttetentne— as a podcast. when i was ttetentne te— as a podcast. when i was listening to you,- as a podcast. when i was listening to you, i- :2 when i was listening to you, i was thinking of listening to you, i was thinking et ttet— listening to you, i was thinking et ttet teen— listening to you, i was thinking of tick tock. i— listening to you, i was thinking of tick tock. i scroll through ttet— of tick tock. i scroll through net-ene- of tick tock. i scroll through net-ene tt- of tick tock. i scroll through tick-and it does. of tick tock. i scroll through- tick-and it does seem tick tock a lot and it does seem to tick tock a lot and it does seem teltnet— tick tock a lot and it does seem to.that certain— tick tock a lot and it does seem to that certain messaging is to be that certain messaging is eetne— to be that certain messaging is eetnp pwenee— to be that certain messaging is eetnp pwenee .— to be that certain messaging is being pushed . and are you being pushed. and are you wanna— being pushed. and are you evatnp tnet— being pushed. and are you arguing that some of those eentent— arguing that some of those content creators— arguing that some of those content creators could be bots

or content creators could be bots ev tneee— content creators could be bots ev tneve te— content creators could be bots ev tneve te e— content creators could be bots or there is a lot— content creators could be bots or there is a lot of— content creators could be bots or there is a lot of content being— or there is a lot of content being created— or there is a lot of content being created and certain eenpetpne— being created and certain campaigns that are being heavily teveee— campaigns that are being heavily teveee wpen— campaigns that are being heavily teveee wpen we— campaigns that are being heavily forced upon us which are being eeeenttetw— forced upon us which are being essentially curated and choreographed by people who do not choreographed by people who do net neve— choreographed by people who do net neve ew— choreographed by people who do not have our best— choreographed by people who do not have our best intentions at neevt. — not have our best intentions at neevt. vee— not have our best intentions at heart. you know,— not have our best intentions at heart. /»2». »2322 not have our best intentions at heart. /»2». »231 »2»2 not have our best intentions at heart. 42» »2322 »2»2 heart. you know, earlier on we started in this program talking about obesity and the vegan craze. well, it really helped big food. if people into big food. if people get into diets that they can't make at home, they can continue to manufacture stuff to sell us, even it's not particularly even if it's not particularly healthy or good for us. one thing really bothered me thing that really bothered me was lgbtqi outcry. outcry in was the lgbtqi outcry. outcry in qatar during the world cup. i mean , we don't seem to have this mean, we don't seem to have this when the england cricket team go and indies who and play in the west indies who also , two also outlaw homosexuality, two thirds of the world do in fact. so why particularly well, so why particularly qatar? well, i can tell you why. it's because at that moment when opec at that moment in time when opec were putting up prices to were putting up oil prices to help russia fund their in help russia fund their war in ukraine, was selling us ukraine, qatar was selling us lng and getting us out of a very, very sticky hole when it came the energy crisis. and came to the energy crisis. and did opec want that? no. who was funding that campaign? it was

the and it was saudi. i the uae and it was saudi. i mean, just that's mean, i just think that's pveetteettv— mean, i just think that's practically conspiracy theory. practically a conspiracy theory. it's practically a conspiracy theory. tte-tte— practically a conspiracy theory. tte-tte ttwe. — practically a conspiracy theory. it's-it's true. it's- practically a conspiracy theory. it's-it's true. it's not- it's true. it's true. it's not a conspiracy theory, but it's not. it true. it's not true it is true. it's not true eeeewee— it is true. it's not true teeeewee t— it is true. it's not true because i didn't- 2 it's not true because i didn't care about it is true. it's not true- because i didn't care about the tente— because i didn't care about the rights-lesbian- because i didn't care about the rights-lesbian or- rights of gay or lesbian or tene— rights of gay or lesbian or tvene peepte— rights of gay or lesbian or trans people qatar because trans people in qatar because eeeewee— trans people in qatar because teeeewee et— trans people in qatar because because of oil— trans people in qatar because because of oil prices, i cared eeewt— because of oil prices, i cared eteewt tt— because of oil prices, i cared about it because— because of oil prices, i cared about it because i'm a gay peeen— about it because i'm a gay peeen ane— about it because i'm a gay person. and think that's a person. and i think that's a meet— person. and i think that's a. moral—business moral obligation that business is moral obligation that business te tnet— moral obligation that business te tnet tnte— moral obligation that business is that this country celebrates. vew— is that this country celebrates. vew enewte— is that this country celebrates. you should be— is that this country celebrates. you should be like clearly had no you should be like clearly had ne-aetwettw— you should be like clearly had no-actually, that- you should be like clearly had. no _actually, that-of no idea. actually, that a lot of that pushed that campaign was being pushed and uae and saudi and funded by the uae and saudi . but it wasn't the point. it wasn't a campaign pushed by men.— wasn't a campaign pushed by wen-e— wasn't a campaign pushed by them. a campaign them. it was a campaign that ntttten— them. it was a campaign that million tens— them. it was a campaign that million tens millions of million tens of millions of peepte— million tens of millions of peepte tn— million tens of millions of people in countries that are neve—ten- people in countries that are more _felt on i people in countries that are more _felt on an more progressive felt on an tnettnettve— more progressive felt on an instinctive level— more progressive felt on an instinctive level . i don't think instinctive level. i don't think peepte—et- instinctive level. i don't think people-at home- instinctive level. i don't think people at home thought people watching at home thought that people watching at home thought we yew— people watching at home thought that you shouldn't— people watching at home thought that you shouldn't stone gays in eete— that you shouldn't stone gays in eetev—pvteeei qatar because of the oil prices. t hey— qatar because of the oil prices. they-inherently- qatar because of the oil prices. they-inherently . l they knew that inherently. otev. — they knew that inherently. otev. se— they knew that inherently. okay. so albie,— they knew that inherently. okay. so albie, what- they knew that inherently. okay. so albie, what do you think think think about this? do you think that these zeitgeist that all of these zeitgeist that are happening in the are suddenly happening in the 21st organic, or do 21st century are organic, or do you an argument you think there's an argument to say being created? say that they're being created? i would that , but say that they're being created? i would that, but i say that they're being created? i would that , but i take i would say that, but i take your point with everything you're saying about what happenedin you're saying about what happened in qatar. but if i can speak happened in qatar. but if i can epeet eeewt—

happened in qatar. but if i can speak about something- : 2 t but if i can speak about something which newee— speak about something whichi newee—neve maybe i have a little bit more epetee— maybe i have a little bit more experience-think- experience with, if i think eeewt— experience with, if i think- eeewt—new about blm, for example, now i knew— about blm, for example, now i knew et— about blm, for example, now i know some of the— about blm, for example, now i know some of the people, much as i know some of the people, much as t—tnen— know some of the people, much as t—tnen .— know some of the people, much as t—tnen . wne- i disagree with them, who enenee—ntwi arrange some of the blm organisations— arrange some of the blm organisations in liverpool, arrange some of the blm organisations in liverpool , for organisations in liverpool, for exempte— organisations in liverpool, for evenpte. wew— organisations in liverpool, for example. now i— organisations in liverpool, for example. now i know the people we— example. now i know the people we eveentee— example. now i know the people that organise blm— example. now i know the people that organise blm in liverpool net— that organise blm in liverpool were not being— that organise blm in liverpool were not being funded by big teen.— were not being funded by big teen. tnev— were not being funded by big tech, they were— were not being funded by big tech, they were not being funded by big— tech, they were not being funded by ntp tnevne— tech, they were not being funded by ntp tnevne .— tech, they were not being funded by big pharma , they were not by big pharma, they were not being— by big pharma, they were not eetnp twneee— by big pharma, they were not being funded by— by big pharma, they were not being funded by big oil. these peepte— being funded by big oil. these were people, black people, black nvttten— were people, black people, black nntten peepte— were people, black people, black british people who— were people, black people, black british people who felt way british people who felt the way we— british people who felt the way we tnev— british people who felt the way that they were _ british people who felt the way that they were treated was that they were being treated was wvene— that they were being treated was wvene ene— that they were being treated was wvenp ene tnev— that they were being treated was wrong and they wanted to do eenetntne— wrong and they wanted to do something-that- wrong and they wanted to do something-that .- wrong and they wanted to do something that . now, something about that. now, wnetnev— something about that. now, whether-not— something about that. now, whether-not i— something about that. now, whether not i agree or whether or not i agree or eteeevee— whether or not i agree or disagree it, disagree with how they did it, tnete— disagree with how they did it, mete-wne- disagree with how they did it, that's-thing. but- that's another thing. but i went— that's another thing. but i went tntnt— that's another thing. but i don't think those people were being— don't think those people were being influenced— don't think those people were being influenced dark being influenced by some dark teneee — being influenced by some dark teneee net— being influenced by some dark forces. but do— being influenced by some dark forces. but do you— being influenced by some dark forces. »2»2» 22 being influenced by some dark forces. »2»2» 2 forces. but do you notice how some campaigns suddenly gain traction and others don't ? but traction and others don't? but could they not could they not twet— could they not could they not twet tee — could they not could they not iwet tee petntne— could they not could they not just be gaining traction because tnev-ve— just be gaining traction because they're actually— just be gaining traction because they're actually good campaigns? just be gaining traction because timean, actually good campaigns? just be gaining traction because timean, darren, good campaigns? just be gaining traction because timean, darren, gthinkimpaigns? i mean, darren, i think you're a veettv—peveen- i mean, darren, i think you're a really—person to- i mean, darren, i think you're a really person to ask really interesting person to ask on really interesting person to ask en tnte— really interesting person to ask on this because— really interesting person to ask on this because you better on this because you know better tnen—teteei than most people what it takes to than most people what it takes te veettv— than most people what it takes te veettv pwen— than most people what it takes to really push forward a digital eenpeten— to really push forward a digital eenpetpn wnen— to really push forward a digital campaign when it comes to pettttee— campaign when it comes to politics,-comes- campaign when it comes to politics, comes to politics, when it comes to eettvten. — politics, when it comes to activism, when - politics, when it comes to activism, when it comes to petttne— activism, when it comes to getting _ across. activism, when it comes to. getting _ across . activism, when it comes to- getting _ across . and getting a message across. and meet—went-

getting a message across. and most—would die- getting a message across. and most—would die forl most politicians would die for the of coverage that the sort of coverage that organisations such as blm got internationally. do you see how they're quite possibly , or i'd they're quite possibly, or i'd say very definitely other forces at work deliberately amplifying , amplifying certain campaigns? absolutely. i think tick tock, tventtw— absolutely. i think tick tock, frankly wtt— absolutely. i think tick tock, frankly, will be _ absolutely. i think tick tock, frankly, will be the ruin of entetn— frankly, will be the ruin of britain, right?— frankly, will be the ruin of britain, right? i— frankly, will be the ruin of britain, right? i think there is a britain, right? i think there is e teet— britain, right? i think there is a real social— britain, right? i think there is a real social contagion that peee— a real social contagion that eeee en— a real social contagion that goes on thanks— a real social contagion that goes on thanks to social media. we goes on thanks to social media. we eee— goes on thanks to social media. we eee-tn— goes on thanks to social media. we eee-tn tne— goes on thanks to social media. we see in the gender we see that in the gender teeetepv— we see that in the gender teeetepv-we- we see that in the gender ideology we see that in ideology trend. we see that in eetwetw— ideology trend. we see that in actually pushing— ideology trend. we see that in actually pushing some of the t— actually pushing some of the more, i think,— actually pushing some of the more, i think, outrageous claims tnet— more, i think, outrageous claims tnet wee— more, i think, outrageous claims that were made _ more, i think, outrageous claims that were made by— more, i think, outrageous claims that were made by black lives wetter.— that were made by black lives wetter. ten— that were made by black lives matter, for example , that, you matter, for example, that, you knew.— matter, for example, that, you knew—eeeen-t- matter, for example, that, you know, doesn't work know, capitalism doesn't work for know, capitalism doesn't work ten tweet— know, capitalism doesn't work for black people— know, capitalism doesn't work for black people when actually it's for black people when actually we wnet-e— for black people when actually it's what's ensured that lot it's what's ensured that a lot of it's what's ensured that a lot et we— it's what's ensured that a lot et we een-t— it's what's ensured that a lot of us don't die— it's what's ensured that a lot of us don't die at— it's what's ensured that a lot of us don't die at childbirth . of us don't die at childbirth. eeen— of us don't die at childbirth. born working— of us don't die at childbirth. born working class, black or wntte.— born working class, black or wntte. se— born working class, black or wntte. se t— born working class, black or white. so i think— born working class, black or white. so i think there is a teet— white. so i think there is a real problem— white. so i think there is a real problem with social media eetwetw— real problem with social media actually pushing— real problem with social media actually pushing these things and-messages- actually pushing these things and-messages .- actually pushing these things and messages . and and these messages. and eetwettw— and these messages. and eetwettw e— and these messages. and actually, a lot— and these messages. and actually, a lot of people with big actually, a lot of people with etp peetete— actually, a lot of people with etp peetete ee— actually, a lot of people with big pockets do ultimately have a bigger— big pockets do ultimately have a etppev peeen— big pockets do ultimately have a bigger reach because they're eete— bigger reach because they're ette te— bigger reach because they're ette te eet— bigger reach because they're able to get these messages out tneve. — able to get these messages out tneve. net— able to get these messages out there. but alex,— able to get these messages out there. but alex, i'm- able to get these messages out there. '2»2;;e< 2»2;p3llye q3»2 there. but alex, i'm really glad you brought darren in because, of course, you two were quite formative in the brexit

formative in the whole brexit campaign and you will hear campaign and what you will hear a remainers say is make a lot of remainers say is make exactly the same argument that you about blm or about you have made about blm or about lgbt rights qatar and talk lgbt rights in qatar and talk about it with the brexit argument . so i mean, what what argument. so i mean, what what do you say to that? would you argue, you erg is that argue, would you erg is that a reasonable argument for someone who you? if the who disagrees with you? if the amendment is that— »2 q »2».7 if the amendment is that foreign powers »2 q »2».7 if the amenchave: is that foreign powers »2 q »2».7 if the amenchave a; that foreign powers »2 q »2».7 if the amenchave a vested oreign powers »2 q »2».7 if the amenchave a vested interest)wers »2 q »2».7 if the amenchave a vested interest inars might have a vested interest in tone— might have a vested interest in twtneleeevee— might have a vested interest in trying coerce outcomes of trying to coerce outcomes of eteettene— trying to coerce outcomes of elections and— trying to coerce outcomes of elections and referendums in etnev— elections and referendums in other countries,— elections and referendums in other countries, then actually it's other countries, then actually we teeettne— other countries, then actually tte peettne wp— other countries, then actually it's backing up exactly what i'm eevtne. — it's backing up exactly what i'm eevtnp. se— it's backing up exactly what i'm eevtnp. se tt— it's backing up exactly what i'm eevtnp. se tt e— it's backing up exactly what i'm saying. so if a remainer said to you,— saying. so if a remainer said to youv why— saying. so if a remainer said to youv why wee— saying. so if a remainer said to you, why was there _ saying. so if a remainer said to you, why was there foreign coercion and— you, why was there foreign coercion and did that lead to event.— coercion and did that lead to brexit, would— coercion and did that lead to brexit, would say yes or no? brexit, would you say yes or no? i brexit, would you say yes or no? t-wnet— brexit, would you say yes or no? t-wnetitnew— brexit, would you say yes or no? i-what.know about- brexit, would you say yes or no? i-what.know about the. i think what we know about the way media works is way that social media works is that russia , that the countries like russia, countries iran, countries that the countries like russia, courchina iran, countries that the countries like russia, courchina , iran, countries that the countries like russia, courchina , are 'an, countries that the countries like russia, courchina , are reallyuntries like china, are really harnessing power social harnessing the power of social media to amplify certain things. and their end goal is to create etvteten. — and their end goal is to create etvteten. tte— and their end goal is to create division. it's not— and their end goal is to create division. it's not about one pevttewtev— division. it's not about one pevttewtev-ev- division. it's not about one particular or the division. it's not about one- particular-or the other. particular outcome or the other. vewe— particular outcome or the other. vewe tttew— particular outcome or the other. you're likely-those- you're likely to have those ewntnee— you're likely to have those countries amplifying the teeetette— countries amplifying the fascistic hard— countries amplifying the fascistic hard right when it te— fascistic hard right when it comes to the _ fascistic hard right when it comes to the anti blm movement, as comes to the anti blm movement, ee nwen— comes to the anti blm movement, as much as they're— comes to the anti blm movement, as much as they're going to be pwentne— as much as they're going to be pushing forward— as much as they're going to be pushing forward the blm message as pushing forward the blm message

ee-petnt— pushing forward the blm message ee-petnt te— pushing forward the blm message ee-petnt te te— pushing forward the blm message ee-petnt te te tw- pushing forward the blm message as point is to try and as well. the point is to try and eveete— as well. the point is to try and create division— as well. the point is to try and create division and— as well. the point is to try and create division and make us get detected.— create division and make us get distracted-we're— create division and make us get distracted..we're at- create division and make us get distracted. we're at civil distracted. so we're at civil ene— distracted. so we're at civil ene net— distracted. so we're at civil war and not dealing with big war and not dealing with the big peepetttteet— war and not dealing with the big geopolitical—day.- geopolitical issues of the day. tn —tt-e- geopolitical issues of the day. tn—tte wttetl i'm sorry. i think it's utter madness compare russian madness to compare russian fascists goals to those of black people in america and britain or gay people in western countries who are political goals. but they're not talking- they're not talking about an tnetvtewet— they're not talking about an individual or— they're not talking about an individual or different action pvewpe— individual or different action pvewpe. ewt— individual or different action groups. but when these campaigns eeewt— groups. but when these campaigns eeewt .— groups. but when these campaigns come about , it's— groups. but when these campaigns come about, it's because people are come about, it's because people twtne— come about, it's because people twtnp te— come about, it's because people twtnp te wee— come about, it's because people are trying to use the power that twetneee— are trying to use the power that tewetneee nee.— are trying to use the power that business has. _ are trying to use the power that business has. and— are trying to use the power that business has. 2»2 are trying to use the power that business has. ' 2»2 22 business has. and the companies that many millions of us work for be better because they for to be better because they have such sway in society that is a progressive thing. emily where do you stand on this? well, just thinking where do you stand on this? well,-just thinking about| well, i'm just thinking about tnte— well, i'm just thinking about. this—something well, i'm just thinking about this given something well, i'm just thinking about this given much something well, i'm just thinking about this given much thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but much thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but i much thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but i dotuch thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but i do ash thought ng well, i'm just thinking about this gi\but i do as i thought ng about. but i do as i said teetere— about. but i do as i said teeteve. t— about. but i do as i said before, i do— about. but i do as i said before, i do wonder why some eenpetpne— before, i do wonder why some eenpetpne-te- before, i do wonder why some campaigns-to be- before, i do wonder why some campaigns to be pushed by campaigns seem to be pushed by the establishment— campaigns seem to be pushed by the establishment or by eeveveeept — the establishment or by corporates. they seem to all teten— corporates. they seem to all teten en— corporates. they seem to all teten en te— corporates. they seem to all latch on to the— corporates. they seem to all latch on to the same trends, wnetnev— latch on to the same trends, whether-climate - whether it's the climate emergency.— whether it's the climate emergency, whether it's transgender— emergency, whether it's transgender-, - emergency, whether it's transgender , whether emergency, whether it's- transgender-, whether it's transgender rights, whether it's blmv_ transgender rights, whether it's ntte-tte— transgender rights, whether it's blm, it's whatnot. but blm, whether it's whatnot. but we— blm, whether it's whatnot. but tnet-twet— blm, whether it's whatnot. but tnet-twet ee— blm, whether it's whatnot. but tnet-twet tee e- blm, whether it's whatnot. but that just be a preference that might just be a preference for that might just be a preference ten-een— that might just be a preference for-sortlcorporatel for woke and sort of corporate eeetet— for woke and sort of corporate social responsibility. but then i social responsibility. but then tlweneev— social responsibility. but then i.wonder also,— social responsibility. but then i wonder also, are we just

i do wonder also, are we just pewne— i do wonder also, are we just pewne ev— i do wonder also, are we just pawns or are we being played by tneee— pawns or are we being played by tneee big— pawns or are we being played by tneee big teen— pawns or are we being played by these big tech companies to be nteev— these big tech companies to be nicer twitter,— these big tech companies to be nicer twitter, tiktok, facebook . tnev— nicer twitter, tiktok, facebook . tnev knew— nicer twitter, tiktok, facebook . tnev tnew ee— nicer twitter, tiktok, facebook , they know so much about us. they— , they know so much about us. tnev knew— , they know so much about us. they know what— , they know so much about us. they know what gets us going. they— they know what gets us going. tnev knew— they know what gets us going. they know what— they know what gets us going. they know what we're interested in. they know what we're interested tn. tnev— they know what we're interested tn. tnev knew— they know what we're interested in. they know enrage us. in. they know what enrage us. t hey— in. they know what enrage us. tnev knew— in. they know what enrage us. they know what— in. they know what enrage us. they know what aggravates us. they— they know what aggravates us. tnev—we- they know what aggravates us.. tnev—we tewen. they know what makes us laugh. tnet— they know what makes us laugh. tnet-eeew— they know what makes us laugh. tnet-eeew .— they know what makes us laugh. that-scary . and- they know what makes us laugh. that-scary . and i- they know what makes us laugh. that scary . and i think that is quite scary. and i think tnev-ve— that is quite scary. and i think tneee—eve- that is quite scary. and i think they're-are they're. they're more they are they're more powerful— they're more they are they're more powerful than government . more powerful than government. twent— more powerful than government. tttpnt tttent— more powerful than government. tttpnt tttpnt new— more powerful than government. right right now, we've still got one more debate— right right now, we've still got one more debate to come on the enew— one more debate to come on the enew .— one more debate to come on the enew . ane— one more debate to come on the show . and last— one more debate to come on the show . and last but— one more debate to come on the show . and last but not least, show. and last but not least, tte— show. and last but not least, tte nenen-e— show. and last but not least, it's darren's debate. and he wtt— it's darren's debate. and he wttt ee— it's darren's debate. and he will be asking— it's darren's debate. and he will be asking why is christianity- will be asking why is christianity being erased from teeter— christianity being erased from teeter eppee— christianity being erased from easter eggs? plus, we'll hear teen— easter eggs? plus, we'll hear teen ew— easter eggs? plus, we'll hear from our wonderful viewers. so pteeee— from our wonderful viewers. so pteeee een-t— from our wonderful viewers. so please don't anywhere .

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for welcome back, everyone. thanks ten joining— welcome back, everyone. thanks tev joining we— welcome back, everyone. thanks tev joining we en— welcome back, everyone. thanks for joining us on the saturday ttve— for joining us on the saturday ttve. new.— for joining us on the saturday five. now, you've— for joining us on the saturday five. now, you've been passing us five. now, you've been passing we ew— five. now, you've been passing we ett et— five. now, you've been passing us all of messages. well, us all of your messages. well, tve— us all of your messages. well, t-ve eeen— us all of your messages. well, i've been passed— us all of your messages. well, i've been passed all your message daniel dear through. daniel says, dear gb wewe— news team, i have to congratulate- news team, i have to- congratulate-another congratulate you on another exeettent— excellent guest on the famous ttve— excellent guest on the famousi ttve—ewtte five. famous five. that's quite tne— five. famous five. that's quite nee—twee- five. famous five. that's quitei nice._alex phillips nice. great to see alex phillips epetn. — nice. great to see alex phillips epetn. tnet-e— nice. great to see alex phillips again. that's-nice.- nice. great to see alex phillips again. that's nice. rob again. that's rather nice. rob ewe— again. that's rather nice. rob eve—we- again. that's rather nice. rob eve—we neee| says the last thing we need is neve- tnete- says the last thing we need is more-. that's in- says the last thing we need is more . that's in reply more people. that's in reply to nententn—.- more people. that's in reply to benjamin_. the. more people. that's in reply toj benjamin_. the uk benjamin butterworth. the uk wette— benjamin butterworth. the uk eettte-ene— benjamin butterworth. the uk bottle-and likely- benjamin butterworth. the uk bottle and likely to bottle is full and likely to tweet.— bottle is full and likely to burst. exclamation mark. don't eeevtttee— burst. exclamation mark. don't eeevtttee tne — burst. exclamation mark. don't sacrifice the well—being of this eewntw— sacrifice the well—being of this country-labour- sacrifice the well—being of this country-labour for. sacrifice the well—being of this country labour for big country for cheap labour for big tewetneee — country for cheap labour for big tewetneee -g0- country for cheap labour for big pwetneee-ee .- country for cheap labour for big business. go . you're business. there you go. you're twet— business. there you go. you're wet—entt- business. there you go. you're twet—enttt .- business. there you go. you're just—shill . emily. just a capitalist shill. emily tetnen — just a capitalist shill. emily palmer. that— just a capitalist shill. emily palmer. that was that was me. tntw— palmer. that was that was me. tntw netnev— palmer. that was that was me. emily palmer is— palmer. that was that was me. emily palmer is right and wttttee— emily palmer is right and utilise those. _ emily palmer is right and utilise those. we have here etneew— utilise those. we have here etneew .— utilise those. we have here etneew . ane— utilise those. we have here already . and adele, on the already. and adele, on the eeeettv— already. and adele, on the obesity question , she wants to obesity question, she wants to knew— obesity question, she wants to tnew why— obesity question, she wants to tnew why .— obesity question, she wants to tnew why . on.— obesity question, she wants to know why . oh, she's telling me know why. oh, she's telling me why— know why. oh, she's telling me why peepte— know why. oh, she's telling me why peepte ee— know why. oh, she's telling me why people are obese today. supermarkets. _ why people are obese today. supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. wnen— supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. wnen t— supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. wnen t went— supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. when i went to— supermarkets. i'm in my 70s. when i went to primary school, tneee— when i went to primary school, tneve wee— when i went to primary school, tneve ne— when i went to primary school, there were no supermarkets. its teee— there were no supermarkets. its food - purchased _ there were no supermarkets. its food-purchased in- there were no supermarkets. its food purchased in small food was purchased in small ente— food was purchased in small| amounts—freshly amounts, consumed, freshly eewnt.— amounts, consumed, freshly eewnt—een bought. the following day. supermarkets— bought. the following day. supermarkets should far supermarkets should take far more responsibility. well, alex, you more responsibility. well, alex, vew tte— more responsibility. well, alex, you ttte yew— more responsibility. well, alex, you like you like— more responsibility. well, alex, you like you like a market, a tween— you like you like a market, a tween ne— you like you like a market, a tween ne e— you like you like a market, a fresh me a good— you like you like a market, a fresh me a good farmer's market. tween— fresh me a good farmer's market. new nett— fresh me a good farmer's market. fresh fruit. and— fresh me a good farmer's market. fresh fruit. and you— fresh me a good farmer's market. fresh fruit. and you know- fresh me a good farmer's market. fresh fruit. and you know the- fresh fruit. and you know the interesting that is interesting thing about that is the more the farmer's market is more money than supermarket. but money than the supermarket. but what getting is british

what you're getting is british produce locally to a very produce grown locally to a very high standard. and you're high standard. and what you're actually for is food at actually paying for is food at the food should the price that food should actually i've got a big actually be. and i've got a big policy do throw away policy that i do not throw away food, meat. you food, especially not meat. you know, as far concerned, know, as far as i'm concerned, if died for that, if an animal's died for that, you don't just disrespectfully chuck that's chuck it in the bin. that's a good so many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill so many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill buy so many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill buy a so many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill buy a big many people chuck it in the bin. that's a goocwill buy a big multi—packe now will buy a big multi—pack of chicken know , chicken breasts. and, you know, eat three, come in the fridge until they green and go, until they turn green and go, oh, bit whiffy. i'm until they turn green and go, oh, to bit whiffy. i'm until they turn green and go, oh, to bin bit whiffy. i'm until they turn green and go, oh, to bin them.�*iiffy. i'm until they turn green and go, oh, to bin them. whati'm until they turn green and go, oh, to bin them. what we going to bin them. what we need to actually to to do is actually get back to proper cooking. like grandma to do is actually get back to prop me ooking. like grandma to do is actually get back to prop me ookirto like grandma to do is actually get back to prop me ookirto like a grandma to do is actually get back to prop me ookirto like a whole dma told me how to buy a whole chicken use it all and chicken and use it all and really it. bones, bone really enjoy it. bones, bone broth. that's gwyneth broth. that's what gwyneth tettvew— broth. that's what gwyneth paltrow likes.— broth. that's what gwyneth paltrow likes. very- that's what gwyneth paltrow likes. very healthy, ttente— paltrow likes. very healthy, ewnte-ee— paltrow likes. very healthy, right? do more. paul right? i'll do one more. paul ewe.— right? i'll do one more. paul ewe-evenne— right? i'll do one more. paul ewe-eventne .- right? i'll do one more. paul says. evening , albie. my says. good evening, albie. my eew— says. good evening, albie. my eew-ewn— says. good evening, albie. my body-own private - says. good evening, albie. my body own private property body is my own private property and body is my own private property ene tne— body is my own private property ene tne teet— body is my own private property and the rest of— body is my own private property and the rest of society should be and the rest of society should tee wetetwt— and the rest of society should be grateful for— and the rest of society should be grateful for that . others, in be grateful for that. others, in teet— be grateful for that. others, in teet. enewte— be grateful for that. others, in fact, should follow my rule went— fact, should follow my rule want new— fact, should follow my rule right now. then— fact, should follow my rule right now. then darren is going to right now. then darren is going te tett— right now. then darren is going te ten-ne— right now. then darren is going te tett-ne te— right now. then darren is going to tell-he is sick- right now. then darren is going to tell he is sick of to tell us why he is sick of eennentpee— to tell us why he is sick of companies turning their backs on tneetttenet— companies turning their backs on traditional christian easter teete— traditional christian easter tveete. tnev— traditional christian easter treats. they start the clock for tne—ntte.- the last time. well, folks, i don't know about you, but i'm getting absolutely sick of having apologise for britain having to apologise for britain being country . it's

being a christian country. it's the king's coronation. this yean the king's coronation. this year, next month, in fact. and guess what, folks? he's not defender of the faith this time. he's defender of the faiths. and for love, no money. you cannot find an easter egg that says easter on it. it is outrageous. you can get yourself a dinosaur themed egg, though, if you want .eggs themed egg, though, if you want . eggs, of course, being the symbol of the resurrection. they are christ reborn . so to hell are christ reborn. so to hell with that. in multi—faith , with that. in multi—faith, britain was supermarkets. our established church is a national embarrassment to be ignored. you'll hear plenty on the bbc about ramadan, though we even had one police officer going round giving people gifts for ramadan. but not easter, with sadly no longer proud of our nation's traditions were welcomed diversity and faith. but not of one religion in particular. and i think that thatis particular. and i think that that is a crying shame. bring back easter folks, and i will be eating this afterwards . well. oh

eating this afterwards. well. oh darren, come on then. albie. what? what what can i say? well, you see there was ayslight well, you see there was a slight teetwet— well, you see there was a slight teetwet ene— well, you see there was a slight factual error in— well, you see there was a slight factual error in what you were eevtne— factual error in what you were eevtne wnen— factual error in what you were eevtne wnen yew— factual error in what you were saying when you were talking eeewt— saying when you were talking eeewt tne— saying when you were talking about the fact— saying when you were talking about the fact i— saying when you were talking about the fact i don't neither teve— about the fact i don't neither| teve—ttne about the fact i don't neither. teve—ttne en love nor money. you can find an easter— love nor money. you can find an easter-which— love nor money. you can find an easter which actually says easter egg which actually says easter— easter egg which actually saysi easter—here easter on it, because right here in my— easter on it, because right here in my-._ easter on it, because right here in my-. have— easter on it, because right here in my i have managed to in my hand, i have managed to find— in my hand, i have managed to find an— in my hand, i have managed to find an easter— in my hand, i have managed to find an easter egg— in my hand, i have managed to find an easter egg type condom and sweet— find an easter egg type condom and sweet over— find an easter egg type condom and sweet over here, which has got the— and sweet over here, which has got the wt— and sweet over here, which has got the word does— and sweet over here, which has got the word does that say i tttnt— got the word does that say i tttnt tt— got the word does that say i tttnt tt says— got the word does that say i think it says it— got the word does that say i think it says it says easter. tut— think it says it says easter. tut tttt-s— think it says it says easter. but that's not— think it says it says easter. but that's not a— think it says it says easter. but that's not a name. - think it says it says easter. but that's not a name. it says he's not an egg. so not so, so, so you can buy you can buy easter choc wallet with easter on it. i think we've established that.— on it. i think we've established that. but— on it. i think we've established that. but tte— on it. i think we've established that. but the point— cit" . i think we've established that. but the point about multi—faith_ that. but the point about multi—faith britain, i don't tttnt—tni multi—faith britain, i don't- think_an argument think you can make an argument as—onl as we were making earlier on that— as we were making earlier on that different— as we were making earlier on that different people aren't totng— that different people aren't totng enough— that different people aren't doing enough to integrate into the country— doing enough to integrate into the country and— doing enough to integrate into the country and then say the ttng— the country and then say the king shouldn't— the country and then say the king shouldn't be inclusive of all king shouldn't be inclusive of at tte— king shouldn't be inclusive of all the different— king shouldn't be inclusive of all the different faiths during the combination coronation. i tttuttty— the combination coronation. i actually-prince- the combination coronation. i actually prince charles actually think prince charles ant— actually think prince charles ant tte— actually think prince charles ant the sorry,— actually think prince charles and the sorry, his royal ttgtnest— and the sorry, his royal highness, the king and the rest of highness, the king and the rest tt tte— highness, the king and the rest tt the mat— highness, the king and the rest of the royal-are— highness, the king and the rest of the royal are actually of the royal fam are actually ttetttng— of the royal fam are actually ttetttng-t— of the royal fam are actually treading-a good- of the royal fam are actually treading a good line when treading quite a good line when it-inclusivity- treading quite a good line when it inclusivity because it comes to inclusivity because they— it comes to inclusivity because they know— it comes to inclusivity because they thew-h— it comes to inclusivity because they know in order for the

they know that in order for the monarchy— they know that in order for the monarchy te— they know that in order for the monarchy to sustain, they need to monarchy to sustain, they need telettteetet— monarchy to sustain, they need to i attracted to _ monarchy to sustain, they need to.attracted to all- monarchy to sustain, they need to attracted to all parts of monarchy to sustain, they need to population.to all parts of monarchy to sustain, they need to population. . all parts of monarchy to sustain, they need to population. f monarchy to sustain, they need to population. the population. ultimately, the church governor church is the supreme governor of the church of england is king charles. he is there to defend that faith. so i don't think he should apologise of course, but he's not apologising. he's defending the faith.- g g he's defending the faith. he and ethere— defending the faith. he and others he— defending the faith. he and others as well— defending the faith. he and others as well . awe, others as well. what's the problem? he is defender of the faith . why is that? apologise. faith. why is that? apologise. i ttth-t— faith. why is that? apologise. i met heat— faith. why is that? apologise. i didn't hearlsorry_ faith. why is that? apologise. i didn't hear. sorry ,_ why is that? apologise. i didn't hear sorry , i've not didn't hear a sorry, i've not heart— didn't hear a sorry, i've not heart a— didn't hear a sorry, i've not heart a seeth— didn't hear a sorry, i've not heard a sorry. did he say sorry at heard a sorry. did he say sorry et—heet- heard a sorry. did he say sorry et—heet hth- at all? i didn't hear him say teth— at all? i didn't hear him say terry-shoute- at all? i didn't hear him say sorry-should be- at all? i didn't hear him say sorry-should be loudl at all? i didn't hear him say. sorry-should be loud and sorry. he should be loud and proud very proud about missing a very important here. and it's important point here. and it's not know, important point here. and it's not—know, fighting| not about, you know, fighting eheut— not about, you know, fighting about the— not about, you know, fighting about who-most- not about, you know, fighting about who most prominent about who has the most prominent teth— about who has the most prominent tetthl— about who has the most prominent tetthl, heu— about who has the most prominent tetthl, yet-e— about who has the most prominent faith , you a policeman faith or, you know, a policeman hehthe— faith or, you know, a policeman hehthe eut— faith or, you know, a policeman handing out sweets at ramadan or whatever. —te- handing out sweets at ramadan or whetevee—te e- whatever. what it's about is a very— whatever. what it's about is a very wtttut— whatever. what it's about is a very wilful destruction of the tetteteh— very wilful destruction of the religion upen— very wilful destruction of the religion upon which our entire eeetety— religion upon which our entire eeetety hee— religion upon which our entire society has been— religion upon which our entire society has been built. the teeth— society has been built. the social mores— society has been built. the social mores that we follow every— social mores that we follow every thy— social mores that we follow every day ,— social mores that we follow every day , eur— social mores that we follow every day , our democracy, it all every day, our democracy, it all thee— every day, our democracy, it all thte tte— every day, our democracy, it all finds its roots— every day, our democracy, it all finds its roots in— every day, our democracy, it all finds its roots in christianity ent— finds its roots in christianity the what— finds its roots in christianity the what ._ finds its roots in christianity and what i worry about is and we thre— and what i worry about is and we the h— and what i worry about is and we saw this in the— and what i worry about is and we saw this in the snp— and what i worry about is and we saw this in the snp contest, ttth-t— saw this in the snp contest, ttth-t vee— saw this in the snp contest, didn't we? kate— saw this in the snp contest, didn't we? kate forbes being utterty— didn't we? kate forbes being utterly vilified— didn't we? kate forbes being utterly vilified for holding chrtetteh— utterly vilified for holding christian-,- utterly vilified for holding christian-, but- utterly vilified for holding christian , but hamza yusuf christian views, but hamza yusuf was christian views, but hamza yusuf vet-hete— christian views, but hamza yusuf was held accountable to for was not held accountable to for his was not held accountable to for hte-hrtvete— was not held accountable to for his private religious views

his own private religious views ent— his own private religious views the what— his own private religious views the what ._ his own private religious views and what i worry— his own private religious views and what i worry about is this vtttut— and what i worry about is this wilful destruction— and what i worry about is this wilful destruction of christianity- wilful destruction of christianity leaves a dangerous vacuum . well,— christianity leaves a dangerous vacuum . well, we- christianity leaves a dangerous vacuum . �*fv�*t�*tzizll f: christianity leaves a dangerous vacuum . d vacuum. well, we could have gone on longer with that one, but unfortunately. got time unfortunately. so we've got time for time for we've reached the end there well, been end there. well, it's been another . thank you another great show. thank you very for getting involved. very much for getting involved. next up, it's going to be the brilliant allen. he's brilliant steve and allen. he's standing in for mark dolan. you'll watch that one. you'll want to watch that one. cheers much for your cheers very much for your company. we'll see you again next . erg hello there. i'm next week. erg hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with- k i'm jonathan vautrey here with your teteet— jonathan vautrey here with your latest weather— jonathan vautrey here with your latest weather update from the met— latest weather update from the met orttee — latest weather update from the met office hope— latest weather update from the met office hope you've been ehteyhe— met office hope you've been enjoying the— met office hope you've been enjoying the easter weekend so far. enjoying the easter weekend so ter. there— enjoying the easter weekend so far. there-been— enjoying the easter weekend so far. there been plenty of far. there has been plenty of the— far. there has been plenty of fine weather— far. there has been plenty of fine weather we'll continue fine weather and we'll continue to fine weather and we'll continue te-et— fine weather and we'll continue te-et thet— fine weather and we'll continue to-of that into- fine weather and we'll continue to of that into sunday. to see more of that into sunday. there— to see more of that into sunday. there are— to see more of that into sunday. there are fronts— to see more of that into sunday. there are fronts out— to see more of that into sunday. there are fronts out in the attehtte. — there are fronts out in the atlantic. there— there are fronts out in the atlantic. there are slowly going to hate— atlantic. there are slowly going to make-progress- atlantic. there are slowly going to make progress towards to make their progress towards the-hut— to make their progress towards the-but-pressure- to make their progress towards the but pressure is the uk, but high pressure is keeping—for- the uk, but high pressure is| keeping _for the keeping them at bay for the mement— keeping them at bay for the moment keeping things moment and keeping things fairly fine moment and keeping things fairly the-eetttet— moment and keeping things fairly fine-settled-a_ moment and keeping things fairly fine-settled-a bit- moment and keeping things fairly fine settled a bit more fine and settled just a bit more oflbreeze— fine and settled just a bit more oflbreeze across— fine and settled just a bit more of breeze across western areas of a breeze across western areas ent— of a breeze across western areas ent-he— of a breeze across western areas and be strengthening and that will be strengthening as we heat— and that will be strengthening as we head _the. and that will be strengthening as we head the rest as we head throughout the rest of as we head throughout the rest et-evehhe— as we head throughout the rest of-evening and— as we head throughout the rest of evening and through of this evening and through terteht— of this evening and through terteht-et- of this evening and throughi tonight.-of.will tonight. but many of us will reheh-vtth- tonight. but many of us will. remain _with-clear remain dry and with some clear htervete— remain dry and with some clear htervete ,— remain dry and with some clear htervete , seme— remain dry and with some clear intervals , some low cloud intervals, some low cloud puehhe—

intervals, some low cloud huehhe hte— intervals, some low cloud pushing into for parts of ete— pushing into for parts of eastern england and scotland as vett— eastern england and scotland as wet mayhe— eastern england and scotland as wet heyhe e— eastern england and scotland as well. maybe a few— eastern england and scotland as well. maybe a few fog patches trout-t— well. maybe a few fog patches there-t hut— well. maybe a few fog patches around. but with— well. maybe a few fog patches around. but with the breeze and the hereeehe— around. but with the breeze and the increasing cloud, temperatures won't drop too far ,-tevhe— temperatures won't drop too far ,-towns-cities- temperatures won't drop too far ,-towns-cities will. , most towns and cities will hott— , most towns and cities will hold-around— , most towns and cities will hold-around-g c.- , most towns and cities will hold around 6 c. could hold up around 5 or 6 c. could be hold up around 5 or 6 c. could he a— hold up around 5 or 6 c. could he a th— hold up around 5 or 6 c. could he a htt et— hold up around 5 or 6 c. could he a htt et e— hold up around 5 or 6 c. could be a bit of a murky start again in be a bit of a murky start again he the— be a bit of a murky start again he the east,— be a bit of a murky start again in the east, but— be a bit of a murky start again in the east, but as— be a bit of a murky start again in the east, but as the breeze teeth— in the east, but as the breeze again strengthens here, that eheutt— again strengthens here, that should hopefully help lift some again strengthens here, that sh that hopefully help lift some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud ully help lift some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud out help lift some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud out of lp lift some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud out of the ft some again strengthens here, that sh that cloud out of the way. �*ne of that cloud out of the way. art— of that cloud out of the way. aht meet— of that cloud out of the way. aht meet et— of that cloud out of the way. and most of wales of that cloud out of the way. - and most of-wales and and most of england, wales and seetteht— and most of england, wales and scotland—some- and most of england, wales and scotland some sunny scotland should see some sunny htervete—teyl intervals throughout the day. the — intervals throughout the day. the sunshine,— intervals throughout the day. the sunshine, will be the sunshine, though, will be turhhe— the sunshine, though, will be turhhe-thte- the sunshine, though, will be turning this cloud from turning hazy as this cloud from the-pushes— turning hazy as this cloud from the-pushes-we'll. turning hazy as this cloud from i the-pushes-we'll see the west pushes in and we'll see some outbreaks— the west pushes in and we'll see some outbreaks rain into some outbreaks of rain into northern— some outbreaks of rain into northern ireland on. northern ireland later on. temperatures— northern ireland later on. temperatures climbing up eerhheret— temperatures climbing up eerhperet te— temperatures climbing up compared to saturday around 16 to re c. — compared to saturday around 16 to re c. hut— compared to saturday around 16 to re c. hut h— compared to saturday around 16 to 18 c. but in that— to 18 c. but in that strengthening breeze, it will teet— strengthening breeze, it will test tate— strengthening breeze, it will tuet take the— strengthening breeze, it will just take the edge off the feel of just take the edge off the feel et threes— just take the edge off the feel et thhee .— just take the edge off the feel of things . since— just take the edge off the feel of things . since the overnight of things. since the overnight heret— of things. since the overnight herret where— of things. since the overnight period where we'll start to see that— period where we'll start to see that reh— period where we'll start to see that rain pushed— period where we'll start to see that rain pushed widely that rain pushed more widely heroes—the- that rain pushed more widely across—the uk- that rain pushed more widely. across—the uk could across the rest of the uk could be across the rest of the uk could tte—three- across the rest of the uk could he—hurete eh- across the rest of the uk couldi be_bursts on that be some heavier bursts on that eee—here- be some heavier bursts on that ewee—here et- cross scotland into parts of northern— cross scotland into parts of northern-ee- cross scotland into parts of northern as well. cross scotland into parts of- northern - as well. then northern england as well. then as northern england as well. then eeiheet— northern england as well. then eeiheet-eerty- northern england as well. then as head early parts as we head into the early parts of as we head into the early parts et reentry— as we head into the early parts et hehtey ,— as we head into the early parts et hehtey , rt— as we head into the early parts of monday , it will— as we head into the early parts of monday , it will be clearing as we head into the early parts of wayday , it will be clearing as we head into the early parts of way off , it will be clearing as we head into the early parts of way off the will be clearing as we head into the early parts of way off the far. be clearing as we head into the early parts of way off the far south—east, its way off the far south—east, hetehtretty— its way off the far south—east, potentially just _ its way off the far south—east, potentially just lingering for here— potentially just lingering for here e— potentially just lingering for here a little— potentially just lingering for here a little while throughout the—rete- here a little while throughout the—hte the- here a little while throughouti the—into the start here a little while throughout thrthe into the start here a little while throughout thrthe afternoon into the start here a little while throughout thrthe afternoon behinde start here a little while throughout thrthe afternoon behind that,t of the afternoon behind that, though—

of the afternoon behind that, though, many— of the afternoon behind that, though, many of— of the afternoon behind that, though, many of us will see a barrage— though, many of us will see a herreee et— though, many of us will see a barrage of showers pushed their way— barrage of showers pushed their way h— barrage of showers pushed their way he eh— barrage of showers pushed their way in on monday.— barrage of showers pushed their way in on monday. and some of these— way in on monday. and some of these eeutt— way in on monday. and some of those could be— way in on monday. and some of those could be heavy at times vrth— those could be heavy at times vrth-rret— those could be heavy at times vrth-rret et— those could be heavy at times with-risk of some- those could be heavy at times with risk of some hail and with the risk of some hail and thuhter. — with the risk of some hail and thunder. generally, that with the risk of some hail and thunus'. generally, that with the risk of some hail and thunus'. forgenerally, that with the risk of some hail and thunus'. for thetrally, that with the risk of some hail and thunus'. for the scenethat with the risk of some hail and thunus'. for the scene oft with the risk of some hail and thunus'. for the scene of some sets us up for the scene of some theetttet— sets us up for the scene of some unsettled weather— sets us up for the scene of some unsettled weather for the rest of unsettled weather for the rest et-veet— unsettled weather for the rest et-veet .— unsettled weather for the rest et-veet . tre— unsettled weather for the rest of-week . we do- unsettled weather for the rest of week . we do our unsettled weather for the rest- of-week . we do -our eyes of the week. we do have our eyes on of the week. we do have our eyes eh—tev— of the week. we do have our eyes on_low pressure- on this area of low pressure that— on this area of low pressure. that—etrghtty that could bring some slightly stronger— that could bring some slightly stronger winds,— that could bring some slightly stronger winds, particularly in the-vest- stronger winds, particularly in the-vest ee- stronger winds, particularly in the-west as we- stronger winds, particularly in the west as we head the south and west as we head teeetey— the south and west as we head teeetey-hte— the south and west as we head tuesday into wednesday tuesday night into wednesday thy. — tuesday night into wednesday thy. se— tuesday night into wednesday try. seltuet— tuesday night into wednesday day. so just keep up to date day. so do just keep up to date vrth—reeerte- day. so do just keep up to date with—regards toi with the forecast in regards to that— with the forecast in regards to that .— with the forecast in regards to that . otherwise,— with the forecast in regards to that . otherwise, enjoy that. otherwise, enjoy your evening- — that. otherwise, enjoy your evehhg. -hye- that. otherwise, enjoy your evehhe-hye. - that. otherwise, enjoy your evening. bye . f evening. bye bye. i'm jacob rees—mogg , the member of rees—mogg, the member of parliament for north east somerset government somerset and a former government minister i have walked minister for years i have walked the corridors of in both the corridors of power in both westminster of westminster and the city of london. we need to have the arguments,— 3" we need to have the arguments, discussions on arguments, the discussions on hov— arguments, the discussions on how-rt— arguments, the discussions on how-it better- arguments, the discussions on how-it better crop. how we make it better crop tenures,— how we make it better crop failures, famine,— how we make it better crop failures, famine, war, suffering on a scale completely unimaginable. we are putting the cart hetere— unimaginable. we are putting the cart before the— unimaginable. we are putting the cart before the horse as charles the thet— cart before the horse as charles the first said— cart before the horse as charles the first said at— cart before the horse as charles the first said at the scaffold, he vee— the first said at the scaffold, he the— the first said at the scaffold, he was the true— the first said at the scaffold, he was the true defender of trherty. — he was the true defender of liberty. yeah,— he was the true defender of liberty. yeah, i— he was the true defender of liberty. “43?" chit" liberty. yeah, i completely derailed the conversation. join liberty. yeah, i completely dertmonday conversation. join liberty. yeah, i completely dertmonday to rnversation. join liberty. yeah, i completely dertmonday to thursday]. join liberty. yeah, i completely dertmonday to thursday at oin liberty. yeah, i completely dertmonday to thursday at 81 liberty. yeah, i completely dertmonday to thursday at 8 pm. me monday to thursday at 8 pm. on gb news britain's news.

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