channel hello. channel heu0.good channel hello. good afternoon. happy easter. welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . and for the next two nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show all about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times will disagree, but no times we will disagree, but no one cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining today is author and joining me today is author and broadcaster hamilton broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. couldn't have picked a better shot for next going head to head in a clash of minds as a member of reform uk and former mep ben ben habib and also former minister for europe, denis macshane . but for europe, denis macshane. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm rav— good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm ray addison— good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm ray addison in— good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom, patients— ray addison in the gb newsroom, patients face— ray addison in the gb newsroom, patients face unparalleled levels— patients face unparalleled levels ef— patients face unparalleled levels of disruption. when junior—

levels of disruption. when junior doctors— levels of disruption. when junior doctors start a four day seeke— junior doctors start a four day stttte en— junior doctors start a four day strike on tuesday— junior doctors start a four day strike on tuesday . that's the strike on tuesday. that's the warning— strike on tuesday. that's the wetntng teem — strike on tuesday. that's the warning from nhs national metteet— warning from nhs national medical director professor stephen— medical director professor stephen powis. he says he's very concerned as hospitals face testy— concerned as hospitals face neetty too— concerned as hospitals face nearly 100 hours without up to tatt— nearly 100 hours without up to test et— nearly 100 hours without up to half of their— nearly 100 hours without up to half of their medical workforce. the— half of their medical workforce. tte tes— half of their medical workforce. the nhs confederation says a quartet— the nhs confederation says a quartet et— the nhs confederation says a quartet et a— the nhs confederation says a quarter of a million appointments could be postponed . tettee— appointments could be postponed . police investigating the snp's ttnenees— . police investigating the snp's finances have— . police investigating the snp's finances have reportedly seized a tuxuty— finances have reportedly seized a luxury motorhome , according to a luxury motorhome, according to the a luxury motorhome, according to the met— a luxury motorhome, according to the met en— a luxury motorhome, according to the mail on sunday. the nisman etsetett— the mail on sunday. the nisman bischoff motorhome , which can bischoff motorhome, which can sett— bischoff motorhome, which can sett tet— bischoff motorhome, which can sell for around— bischoff motorhome, which can sell for around £110,000, was termed— sell for around £110,000, was removed from _ sell for around £110,000, was removed from a— sell for around £110,000, was removed from a house in fife . it removed from a house in fife. it taken— removed from a house in fife. it taken at— removed from a house in fife. it was taken at the— removed from a house in fife. it was taken at the same time that sense— was taken at the same time that police searched— was taken at the same time that police searched the— was taken at the same time that police searched the home of tests— police searched the home of nicola sturgeon— police searched the home of nicola sturgeon and her husband peter— nicola sturgeon and her husband tetet muttett— nicola sturgeon and her husband peter murrell, the— nicola sturgeon and her husband peter murrell, the leader of the seetttst— peter murrell, the leader of the scottish conservative party. oeugtes— scottish conservative party. douglas ross— scottish conservative party. douglas ross told us people need answers as it's now— douglas ross told us people need answers as it's now been going so..— answers as it's now been going tee, en— answers as it's now been going tee, en ._ answers as it's now been going tee, en . tttnt— answers as it's now been going for, on i think 18— answers as it's now been going for, on i think 18 months, etmest— for, on i think 18 months, almost two— for, on i think 18 months, almost two years. c " ct" almost two years. it's been an extensive inquiry and we saw that peter murrell was interviewed for almost a maximum

12 hours, released without charge, but pending further investigation and a significant amount of evidence taken away from both their home and snp headquarters. so i think people want answers and those answers have to come from nicola sturgeon from humza yousaf and those at the top of the snp . the those at the top of the snp. the mother of olivia pratt—korbel has told the sunday mirror that the law should be changed to force all criminals to attend their sentencing . cheryl korbel their sentencing. cheryl korbel has spoken— their sentencing. cheryl korbel has spoken out— their sentencing. cheryl korbel has spoken out after- ” f g cheryl korbel has spoken out after her daughters— has spoken out after her daughter's killer refused to appear— daughter's killer refused to appear tn— daughter's killer refused to appear tn the— daughter's killer refused to appear in the dock as he was jailed— appear in the dock as he was jailed tet— appear in the dock as he was jailed tee e— appear in the dock as he was jailed for a minimum of 42 years— jailed for a minimum of 42 years. justice— jailed for a minimum of 42 years. justice secretary dominic teet— years. justice secretary dominic test sets— years. justice secretary dominic test sets te— years. justice secretary dominic teat says he ts— years. justice secretary dominic raab says he is planning to change— raab says he is planning to change the— raab says he is planning to change the law— raab says he is planning to change the law . a new survey change the law. a new survey suggests— change the law. a new survey suggests that— change the law. a new survey suggests that more than 1 in 10 teachers— suggests that more than 1 in 10 teachers have— suggests that more than 1 in 10 teachers have been physically esseuttet— teachers have been physically esseuttet ty— teachers have been physically assaulted by a— teachers have been physically assaulted by a pupil in the last year.— assaulted by a pupil in the last yeaf- the— assaulted by a pupil in the last year. the teachers— assaulted by a pupil in the last year. the teachers union says they-ve— year. the teachers union says ttey-ve teen— year. the teachers union says they've been kicked, bitten and punched— they've been kicked, bitten and penetet ty— they've been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils, whilst more then— punched by pupils, whilst more than t— punched by pupils, whilst more than t tn— punched by pupils, whilst more than t tn 4— punched by pupils, whilst more than 1 in 4 have— punched by pupils, whilst more than 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse— than 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse teem — than 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse from a— than 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse from a parent or carer. the— abuse from a parent or carer. tte ttnttnes— abuse from a parent or carer. the findings have been released during— the findings have been released tuttng tte— the findings have been released during the union's—

the findings have been released during the union's annual conference in— during the union's annual conference in glasgow . delegates conference in glasgow. delegates are conference in glasgow. delegates vette— conference in glasgow. delegates vettng en— conference in glasgow. delegates vettng en t— conference in glasgow. delegates are voting on a motion which suggests— are voting on a motion which suggests assaults are now seen as e nemet pett— suggests assaults are now seen as a normal part of teaching in tee— as a normal part of teaching in tee ment— as a normal part of teaching in too many schools— as a normal part of teaching in too many schools ._ as a normal part of teaching in too many schools . the government too many schools. the government is too many schools. the government ts exeeetet— too many schools. the government ts exeeetet te— too many schools. the government is expected to crack— too many schools. the government is expected to crack down on the meet— is expected to crack down on the ttteget sate— is expected to crack down on the illegal sale of— is expected to crack down on the illegal sale of e—cigarettes to ettttten— illegal sale of e—cigarettes to children with— illegal sale of e—cigarettes to children with a— illegal sale of e—cigarettes to children with a new illicit veees— children with a new illicit vapes enforcement squad. the department— vapes enforcement squad. the department et— vapes enforcement squad. the department of health and social care— department of health and social care says— department of health and social care says tast— department of health and social care says task forces will carry eat— care says task forces will carry eat test— care says task forces will carry out test purchasing at shops . it out test purchasing at shops. it nttt— out test purchasing at shops. it nttt atse— out test purchasing at shops. it will also share— out test purchasing at shops. it will also share intelligence nttn— will also share intelligence nttn teeat— will also share intelligence with local authorities. the squats— with local authorities. the sanats nttt— with local authorities. the squads will have the power to remove illegal— squads will have the power to remove illegal products from snees— remove illegal products from snens ant— remove illegal products from snees ant at— remove illegal products from shops and at borders . thousands shops and at borders. thousands of shops and at borders. thousands et expectant— shops and at borders. thousands of expectant mothers are set to receive a maternity allowance teest— receive a maternity allowance teest et— receive a maternity allowance teest et ton.— receive a maternity allowance boost of 10.1. but— receive a maternity allowance boost of 10.1. but the increase nttt— boost of 10.1. but the increase nttt see— boost of 10.1. but the increase will see payments go up by eta-se— will see payments go up by new a— will see payments go up by £15.82 a week. _ will see payments go up by £15.82 a week. that equates to aeun— £15.82 a week. that equates to aeunt fete— £15.82 a week. that equates to around £670 over— £15.82 a week. that equates to around £670 over the 39 week penet— around £670 over the 39 week eenet tnat— around £670 over the 39 week eenet tnat tt— around £670 over the 39 week period that it can— around £670 over the 39 week period that it can be claimed. tne— period that it can be claimed. the department— period that it can be claimed. the department for work and tenstens— the department for work and pensions says— the department for work and pensions says the automatic ts— pensions says the automatic increase is going to benefit

aeun— increase is going to benefit around 40,000— increase is going to benefit around 40,000 parents this year , up— around 40,000 parents this year , up te— around 40,000 parents this year , up te ten— around 40,000 parents this year , up te ten eeeete— around 40,000 parents this year , up to ten people are believed to , up to ten people are believed te te— , up to ten people are believed te be trapped— , up to ten people are believed to be trapped under the rubble atten— to be trapped under the rubble attet twe— to be trapped under the rubble after two residential buildings eettanset— after two residential buildings eettaeset tn— after two residential buildings collapsed in marseille, france . collapsed in marseille, france. tntenet— collapsed in marseille, france. interior minister— collapsed in marseille, france. interior minister says an exetesten— interior minister says an explosion caused the incident tnat— explosion caused the incident tnat seated— explosion caused the incident that sparked a— explosion caused the incident that sparked a fire which complicated— that sparked a fire which complicated rescue efforts . five complicated rescue efforts. five eeeete— complicated rescue efforts. five eeeete nave— complicated rescue efforts. five people have been— complicated rescue efforts. five people have been taken to nesettat— people have been taken to hospital with _ people have been taken to hospital with serious injuries. testtents— hospital with serious injuries. residents of— hospital with serious injuries. residents of 30— hospital with serious injuries. residents of 30 other buildings nave— residents of 30 other buildings nave atse— residents of 30 other buildings have also been— residents of 30 other buildings have also been evacuated. nesttent— have also been evacuated. president emmanuel macron tueetet— president emmanuel macron tweeted that— president emmanuel macron tweeted that his thoughts are nttn— tweeted that his thoughts are with marseille— tweeted that his thoughts are with marseille ._ tweeted that his thoughts are with marseille . well, china's with marseille. well, china's mttttam— with marseille. well, china's mttttam nas— with marseille. well, china's military has carried out simulated— military has carried out simulated precision strikes on mean.— simulated precision strikes on taiwan. countries— simulated precision strikes on taiwan. countries state media tueateastet— taiwan. countries state media broadcaster says— taiwan. countries state media broadcaster says cctv says tees— broadcaster says cctv says forces continue _ broadcaster says cctv says forces continue to encircle the tstant — forces continue to encircle the tstant as— forces continue to encircle the tstant as natt— forces continue to encircle the island as part of— forces continue to encircle the island as part of three days of status— island as part of three days of drills focussed_ island as part of three days of drills focussed on _ island as part of three days of drills focussed on the disputed tenttem— drills focussed on the disputed temtem .— drills focussed on the disputed territory . forces— drills focussed on the disputed territory . forces have reported territory. forces have reported nttte— territory. forces have reported attte teen— territory. forces have reported albie been targeting key targets on albie been targeting key targets en tant— albie been targeting key targets en tant ant— albie been targeting key targets on land and in— albie been targeting key targets on land and in surrounding uates— on land and in surrounding waters. taiwan's- on land and in surrounding waters. taiwan's defence mtntstm— waters. taiwan's defence mtntstm nas— waters. taiwan's defence ministry has also reported mutttete— ministry has also reported multiple air— ministry has also reported multiple air force sorties.

ministry has also reported multiple air force sorties . the multiple air force sorties. the king— multiple air force sorties. the ttng eueen— multiple air force sorties. the king queen consort and other teyats— king queen consort and other senior royals have attended an taster— senior royals have attended an easter church— senior royals have attended an easter church service at windsor castte. — easter church service at windsor castte. tt— easter church service at windsor castte. t was— easter church service at windsor castle. it was held— easter church service at windsor castle. it was held at saint eeeme-s— castle. it was held at saint george's chapel- castle. it was held at saint george's chapel and was the nest— george's chapel and was the test et— george's chapel and was the first of charles's_ george's chapel and was the first of charles's reign . the first of charles's reign. the occasion falls— first of charles's reign. the occasion falls on the second anmetsam— occasion falls on the second anmensam et— occasion falls on the second anniversary of prince philip's teatn— anniversary of prince philip's teatn .— anniversary of prince philip's teatn . nett— anniversary of prince philip's death . both he— anniversary of prince philip's death . both he and the late death. both he and the late eueen— death. both he and the late queen are interred in the gteunts— queen are interred in the gteunts et— queen are interred in the grounds of the- queen are interred in the grounds of the 15th century enanet— grounds of the 15th century enaeet .— grounds of the 15th century enaeet . tnts— grounds of the 15th century chapel . this is— grounds of the 15th century chapel . this is gb grounds of the 15th century chapel. this is gb news. we'll bring— chapel. this is gb news. we'll tnng yeu— chapel. this is gb news. we'll tnng yeu mee— chapel. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as— chapel. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. neu— bring you more as it happens. new tet-s— bring you more as it happens. new tet-s get— bring you more as it happens. now let's get back to nana . now let's get back to nana. | nette— now let's get back to nana. l nette. seet— now let's get back to nana. . hello. good afternoon. now let's get back to nana. . - hello. good afternoon and hello. good afternoon and welcome gb news on tv online welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. we stuck into akua. before we get stuck into the debate over the next hour, let introduce to panel let me introduce you to my panel going for the next going head to head for the next houris going head to head for the next hour is member of reform uk and former mep ben habib. also former mep ben habib. also former labour minister for

europe , macshane. now, europe, denis macshane. now, here's what else is coming up today. home office data reveals that just 215 channel migrants were removed or deported last year and that equates to less than five in every 1000 migrants. why are we bothering? it comes after the government announced adult male migrants will be housed in a barge off dorset coast in a bid to decrease the costs of the housing of these migrants in hotels. so while the government is doing enough to tackle this issue, or should we just give up on trying to tackle the crisis and just let them all in? then i'll be asking whether labour's vat raid on private schools is punishing students out of the private risking private sector and risking shifting them into state education seems a bit unfair. a new survey revealed that up to 60% of parents would have to withdraw their child from private schools if 20% vat was added to their current school fees. then, following the controversy surrounding the labour tweets attacking rishi sunak, implying that he doesn't want to lock up checks , child want to lock up checks, child sex offenders, which is

absolutely ludicrous because of course he does. everybody does. it appears that it's divided parts the labour party with parts of the labour party with reports shadow reports members of the shadow cabinet as yvette cooper, cabinet such as yvette cooper, are frustrated that they weren't consulted about these adverts. nothing new there. they're always divided. so our labour punching below the belt and more and more women are starting to boycott nycc after the company sponsored trans influencer dylan mulvaney and that's me included. i've had enough . i don't to i've had enough. i don't want to see a who has got see a man who has got a biological male body advertising female bras . it's female sports bras. it's ludicrous. caitlyn jenner has got involved in the conversation as well and hit out at how woke nick has become. do you agree with her? that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.uk tweet at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right. so let's kick this off with the first discussion. home office data reveals that just 215 channel migrants were removed or

deported last year. that's 215, not 250215. no more zeros after it. now, that equates to less than five in every 1000 migrants. i mean, it's ludicrous . and that comes after the government announced 500 male aduu government announced 500 male adult migrants will be housed in adult migrants will be housed in a barge off the dorset coast. so that's literally one day's worth of migrants coming in in a bid to decrease the cost of housing them in hotels . so will that them in hotels. so will that end? would that will that be enough to deter people from crossing the channel? what do you think? do we need deport you think? do we need to deport more migrants should just more migrants or should we just let in? let's see what let them all in? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by reform for reform uk and former mep ben habib. also former labour minister for europe, dennis mcshane. dennis, i'm to with you , i'm going to start with you, dennis. should let them all dennis. should we let them all in? oh, don't be silly. i mean , in? oh, don't be silly. i mean, i in? oh, don't be silly. i mean, ttneuent— in? oh, don't be silly. i mean, ttneugnt yeu-t— in? oh, don't be silly. i mean, i thought you'd say— 7 oh, don't be silly. i mean, i thought you'd say yes, we sneutt. — i thought you'd say yes, we sneutt. te— i thought you'd say yes, we should. no suppose i i thought you'd say yes, we- should. no-suppose i was should. no well, i suppose i was exeeettne— should. no well, i suppose i was exeeettng tn— should. no well, i suppose i was expecting it. dennis let my grantmetnet— expecting it. dennis let my grandmother in— expecting it. dennis let my grandmother in from ireland. tnat— grandmother in from ireland. tnat mtent— grandmother in from ireland. that might been a mistake. that might have been a mistake. let that might have been a mistake. tet my— that might have been a mistake. tet my tatnet— that might have been a mistake. let my father in— that might have been a mistake. let my father in from poland as a must— let my father in from poland as a mum amy— let my father in from poland as a polish army officer to come ant— a polish army officer to come ant-tet— a polish army officer to come and-for britain- a polish army officer to come

and for britain 1940. and fight for britain in 1940. he and fight for britain in 1940. ne-etatetut— and fight for britain in 1940. he - grateful to - and fight for britain in 1940. he grateful to that, though he was grateful to that, though tntetesttnatu— he was grateful to that, though interestingly, immediately after the interestingly, immediately after me wan— interestingly, immediately after me tne— interestingly, immediately after the war, the labour foreign secretary— the war, the labour foreign secretary called ernest bevin urete— secretary called ernest bevin ntete en— secretary called ernest bevin wrote on foreign— secretary called ernest bevin wrote on foreign office letterhead _ wrote on foreign office letterhead he was a foreign secretary— letterhead he was a foreign seenetam te— letterhead he was a foreign secretary to 200,000 polish setttets— secretary to 200,000 polish soldiers and _ secretary to 200,000 polish soldiers and their families in tetant— soldiers and their families in tetant ee— soldiers and their families in poland go home. 43.115 poland go home. you're not wanted here anymore. this is in 1947, when wanted here anymore. this is in tent, unen tne— : “tit; by i�*titti; this is in 1947, when the communists : “ti;”ti; sty i“tit”ti; this is in 1947, when the communists were tanne— 1947, when the communists were tattng — 1947, when the communists were tattng se— 1947, when the communists were taking over. .; taking over. so frankly, britain has always got incredibly twitchy about foreigners coming in. the first aliens act was passed— in. the first aliens act was easset tn— in. the first aliens act was passed in 1902— in. the first aliens act was passed in 1902 to- .; the first aliens act was passed in 1902 to keep out jews trem— passed in 1902 to keep out jews ttem tussta— passed in 1902 to keep out jews from russia and— passed in 1902 to keep out jews from russia and so— passed in 1902 to keep out jews from russia and so on and so on ant— from russia and so on and so on ant se— from russia and so on and so on ant se mett— from russia and so on and so on ant se mett .— from russia and so on and so on and so on. well , you- from russia and so on and so on and so on. itit�*iccc and so on. well, you put a comedian in charge of the foreign office, you're all giggling at what she produces of course, you can't have somebody as unserious as suella braverman. she's not in charge of braverman. she's not in charge et tne— braverman. she's not in charge et tne teteten— braverman. she's not in charge of the foreign office. - .; she's not in charge of the foreign office. she's the neme— of the foreign office. she's the home secretary, the home office. the home office. she's. come on, denma— the home office. she's. come on, dennis. dennis she's. it's easter sunday. she's in charge of immigration. _ easter sunday. she's in charge of immigration. and— “cat she's in charge of immigration. and since she ant—snee- of immigration. and since she and—since they'vei and priti patel, since they've teen— and priti patel, since they've teen-tnese- and priti patel, since they've been -these two i and priti patel, since they've- been -these two lovely been in charge, these two lovely tastes— been in charge, these two lovely ladies,_longest. ladies, we've got the longest queues— ladies, we've got the longest aueues . — ladies, we've got the longest queues . we've— ladies, we've got the longest queues. i“ ladies, we've got the longest queues . i“

queues. we've broken all possibilities of a relationship with europe to send them back. we're not doing proper patrols. tee-te— we're not doing proper patrols. were met— we're not doing proper patrols. we're not sorting— we're not doing proper patrols. we're not sorting out— we're not doing proper patrols. we're not sorting out the- we're not sorting out the fundamental problem , which is fundamental problem, which is they all come once they're here. the home office won't invest in eneeesstne— the home office won't invest in processing them. _ the home office won't invest in processing them. octi" the home office won't invest in processing them. qg�*ti” tttit. processing them. other countries ue. teen— processing them. other countries ue. teen we — processing them. other countries do. look, we take— processing them. other countries do. look, we take about- processing them. oct? ti.tit. t:tit look, we take about a do. look, we take about a quartet— do. look, we take about a quartet et— do. look, we take about a quarter of what- t:tit look, we take about a quarter of what france t:it look, we take about a quarter of what france takes, ateut— quarter of what france takes, ateut a— quarter of what france takes, about a third— quarter of what france takes, about a third of— quarter of what france takes, about a third of what spain takes— about a third of what spain tates ,— about a third of what spain takes , about— about a third of what spain takes , about a— about a third of what spain takes , about a sixth of what takes, about a sixth of what germany— takes, about a sixth of what germany takes— takes, about a sixth of what germany takes ._ takes, about a sixth of what germany takes . and all those germany takes. and all those eunttes— germany takes. and all those eunntes t— germany takes. and all those countries i was— germany takes. and all those countries i was in— germany takes. and all those countries i was in italy last ween— countries i was in italy last week, tney-te — countries i was in italy last week, they're tearing their hair out week, they're tearing their hair eutluett. — week, they're tearing their hair out-well. -not_ week, they're tearing their hair out-well. -not just- week, they're tearing their hair out well. not just they out as well. it's not just they tney-ve— out as well. it's not just they tney-ve get— out as well. it's not just they they've got themselves to blame, teennts — they've got themselves to blame, dennis, haven't— they've got themselves to blame, dennis, haven't they? because the dennis, haven't they? because tne—tnte- dennis, haven't they? because. the—into greece the minute you cross into greece ,-f...dom — the minute you cross into greece ,-f...dom et— the minute you cross into greece , freedom of movement , there's freedom of movement ant— , there's freedom of movement ant-ee— , there's freedom of movement ant-ee-aetessl and you can go right across turme— and you can go right across europe, including , of course, europe, including, of course, going— europe, including, of course, going te— europe, including, of course, going to french— europe, including, of course, going to french beaches and then manne— going to french beaches and then manna—me- going to french beaches and then making—the united. making their way to the united ttngtem—eet- making their way to the united ttnetem—aet te| kingdom. but let's just get to the kingdom. but let's just get to me tent— kingdom. but let's just get to the point the— kingdom. but let's just get to the point the entire british nnttsn— the point the entire british british government response to the british government response to me teat— british government response to the boat stopping— british government response to the boat stopping the boats is tnneugn— the boat stopping the boats is through deportation and deterrence— through deportation and deterrence ._ through deportation and deterrence . that's what they deterrence. that's what they sat — deterrence. that's what they sat .— deterrence. that's what they sat . ant — deterrence. that's what they said . and let's— deterrence. that's what they said . and let's just examine how said. and let's just examine how tnat-s— said. and let's just examine how tnat-s going-— said. and let's just examine how tnat-s going- se— said. and let's just examine how that's going. so if— said. and let's just examine how that's going. so if you're someone willing and wishing to get te— someone willing and wishing to get te tne— someone willing and wishing to get te tne un— someone willing and wishing to get to the uk, you— someone willing and wishing to get to the uk, you get in one of tnese— get to the uk, you get in one of these dinghies,_ get to the uk, you get in one of these dinghies, you make it to

nnttsn— these dinghies, you make it to british territorial— these dinghies, you make it to british territorial water, you get— british territorial water, you get a— british territorial water, you get a tee— british territorial water, you get a free ride— british territorial water, you get a free ride on border force or get a free ride on border force et-tney-tt— get a free ride on border force or-they'll come- get a free ride on border force or they'll come and get or rnli. they'll come and get yeu— or rnli. they'll come and get yeu. tney— or rnli. they'll come and get yeu. tney seme— or rnli. they'll come and get you. they come and get you to bang— you. they come and get you to tnng yeu— you. they come and get you to tnng yeu-tnte- you. they come and get you to bring you into port. bring you safely into port. veue— bring you safely into port. you're interviewed and you're then interviewed and taken— you're then interviewed and taken te— you're then interviewed and taken te a— you're then interviewed and taken to a four— you're then interviewed and taken to a four star hotel, gtven— taken to a four star hotel, gtven tree— taken to a four star hotel, given free food- taken to a four star hotel, given free food and given free uns— given free food and given free nhs treatment. _ given free food and given free nhs treatment. dental care. some east— nhs treatment. dental care. some easn ant— nhs treatment. dental care. some easn ant an— nhs treatment. dental care. some cash and an less— nhs treatment. dental care. some cash and an less than 0.4% get tenemen— cash and an less than 0.4% get teeenet. net— cash and an less than 0.4% get deported. a&e luncheon vouchers . tney— deported. a&e luncheon vouchers . tney ten-t— deported. a&e luncheon vouchers . they don't need— deported. a&e luncheon vouchers . they don't need vouchers. they ten-t— . they don't need vouchers. they ten-t meet— . they don't need vouchers. they don't need vouchers— . they don't need vouchers. they don't need vouchers . "cat gig don't need vouchers. they get anu— don't need vouchers. they get and they— don't need vouchers. they get and they get the money. they get the food. oh i think i agree. i agree— the food. oh i think i agree. i agree se— the food. oh i think i agree. i agree. so now i haven't finished. i've finished . so finished. i've finished. so there is no deterrent. there is no deportation . the whole no deportation. the whole government response is fundamentally flawed. what border control means is border control. you have to stop people coming into your country in the first place. the reason europe has such a big problem is because of freedom of movement, because of freedom of movement, because they've got no border control people dennis control. people like dennis championed , but it's an championed the eu, but it's an absolutely daft setup that people can just march right across europe unchecked. let let

you into a little secret . they you into a little secret. they arrive in countries— c i they arrive in countries called seam— arrive in countries called spain, greece,- arrive in countries called spain, greece, italy . arrive in countries called- spain, greece, italy . believe me spain, greece, italy. believe me mete— spain, greece, italy. believe me , there are borders there. but when they pitch up in rather bigger boats, sometimes smaller boats, what are you going to do, sink them? what are you going to do? starve them out? shoot them down? we tell me, well, we have a very clear right under the un convention for laws of the sea to stop boats as they seek to enter british waters if they're seeking to enter illegally. and we can require them to turn round and make the journey that they've already just made willingly and without compulsion to the point of our territorial water. sorry i thought we were talking about all the immigrants or refugees arriving in. he's moved up to the straits- g . “g “ he's moved up to the straits of never. — moved up to the straits of dover. well,— moved up to the straits of dover. well, we- moved up to the straits of dover. �*fvt�*tiii tiit“ moved up to the straits of dover. �*tivt�*tiii i“ jt�*i�*iti dover. well, we can i. may i. can i. just to stop. - dover. well, we can i. may i. can i. just to stop. yeah. can veu. — can i. just to stop. yeah. can veu. can— can i. just to stop. yeah. can veu. can veu— can i. just to stop. yeah. can you. can you carry- can i. just to stop. yeah. can you. can you carry on- can i. just to stop. / can you carry on with what you. can you carry on with what ne-s— you. can you carry on with what ne-s savtnge— you. can you carry on with what ne-s savtnge — you. can you carry on with what he's saying? yeah.— you. can you carry on with what he's saying? yeah. ben- can you carry on with what he's saying? “tits“ fati“ can you carry on with what he's saying? “43?" lei“ “ he's saying? yeah. ben i mean, the straits of dover are not divided into two sets of

territorial waters. they are. they're territorial waters. they are. tnev-te net.— territorial waters. they are. they're not. they- territorial waters. they are. they're not. they are.- they are. they're not. they are. there's a tnete-s— they're not. they are. there's a tnete-s a— they're not. they are. there's a tnete-s a gent.— they're not. they are. there's a there's a point. there's a point between— there's a point. there's a point between british. _ there's a point. there's a point between british. british territorial— between british. british territorial waters and french tenttenat— territorial waters and french territorial absolutely territorial waters. absolutely tnev— territorial waters. absolutely tnev — territorial waters. absolutely they are. dennis. �*tivt�*ticc they are. dennis. well, i thought they were. are they not? don't you have french territorial waters? got territorial waters? you've got they for 20 miles. you go they go out for 20 miles. you go out 20 miles from _ they go out for 20 miles. you go out 20 miles from france,- git $90 you go out 20 miles from france, youi arrive—a mcdonald arrive probably for a mcdonald in arrive probably for a mcdonald tn neve — arrive probably for a mcdonald tn neve ne.— arrive probably for a mcdonald in dover. \tilit z�*tti;’““ arrive probably for a mcdonald in dover. \it jti;““ arrive probably for a mcdonald in dover. \it jti““ git in dover. no, dennis, you've got your your back to front is . all your your back to front is. all right. all right. if you really believe that you're not going to get the royal navy going out and machine gunning little canoes . machine gunning little canoes. but nobody said that. no, netetv-s— but nobody said that. no, nobody's nobody's saying that you— nobody's nobody's saying that veu maentne— nobody's nobody's saying that you machine gun— nobody's nobody's saying that you machine gun little canoes . you machine gun little canoes. tetetv-s— you machine gun little canoes. nobody's_killing| nobody's talking about killing eeeete— nobody's talking about killing eeeete tetete— nobody's talking about killing people before they here. people before they come here. i tnat-s— people before they come here. i mean, that's got— people before they come here. i mean, that's got nothing to do vvttn— mean, that's got nothing to do vvttn tt— mean, that's got nothing to do vvttn tt. tnat— mean, that's got nothing to do with it. that what— mean, that's got nothing to do with it. that what the discussion _ with it. that what the discussion is- with it. that what the discussion is that. shall we gust— discussion is that. shall we gust-att— discussion is that. shall we gust-att tn- discussion is that. shall we just all in because discussion is that. shall we- just-all in because we just let them all in because we aent— just let them all in because we aten-t-senttng— just let them all in because we aren't-sending any- just let them all in because we aren't sending any of them aren't even sending any of them taste—tnene-sl back? no, that's right. there's so back? no, that's right. there's semu-en— back? no, that's right. there's semu-en etav- back? no, that's right. there's so-much. okay, sol back? no, that's right. there's. so-much. okay, so let's so many. so much. okay, so let's get tast— so many. so much. okay, so let's get taet tet-s— so many. so much. okay, so let's get taet tet-s ge— so many. so much. okay, so let's get back let's go back first to tne— get back let's go back first to me mam— get back let's go back first to the main source— get back let's go back first to the main source of all this immigration. _ the main source of all this immigration. lis- the main source of all this immigration. i g immigration. it is four giant failed libya , syria, failed states, libya, syria, iraq afghanistan . we're iraq and afghanistan. we're partly responsible. albania and attanta— partly responsible. albania and attanta ts— partly responsible. albania and albania is our—

partly responsible. albania and albania is our let's— partly responsible. albania and albania is our let's be- albania and albania is our let's be quite serious albanians , come here. serious albanians, come here. seme— serious albanians, come here. seme tet— serious albanians, come here. some come for criminal- serious albanians, come here. some come for criminal reasons. most come because there are lots of most come because there are lots et attantans— most come because there are lots of albanians playing in premier teague— of albanians playing in premier league football— of albanians playing in premier league football here. i league football here. their tamttv— league football here. their family connections and they get very low paid jobs in car washes . you know, they've taken over tne— . you know, they've taken over me taug— . you know, they've taken over me ttug tate— . you know, they've taken over the drug trade in— you know, they've taken over the drug trade in the united ttngtem— the drug trade in the united kingdom. basically the drug tate— kingdom. basically the drug trade ts— kingdom. basically the drug trade is run— kingdom. basically the drug trade is run by— kingdom. basically the drug trade is run by albanians. when i trade is run by albanians. when t was— trade is run by albanians. when t vvnen— trade is run by albanians. when t vvnen t— trade is run by albanians. when i was when i was— trade is run by albanians. when i was when i was young, it was tne— i was when i was young, it was me nattese— i was when i was young, it was the maltese then— i was when i was young, it was the maltese then it was the vietnamese.— the maltese then it was the vietnamese. okay. ititi; g“ vietnamese. okay. foreign criminals often control mafia drugs. yeah, criminals often control mafia drugs . yeah, okay. criminals often control mafia drugs. yeah, okay. but. but we nave— drugs. yeah, okay. but. but we nave te— drugs. yeah, okay. but. but we have to acknowledge- t: gt; yeah, okay. but. but we have to acknowledge that t: gti yeah, okay. but. but we have to acknowledge that we do nave — have to acknowledge that we do nave a— have to acknowledge that we do have a problem— have to acknowledge that we do have a problem specifically eteatet— have a problem specifically eneatet ev— have a problem specifically created by our— have a problem specifically created by our own immigration eettev— created by our own immigration eettev measures— created by our own immigration policy measures. and i don't tntnt— policy measures. and i don't think because— policy measures. and i don't think because at— policy measures. and i don't think because at the beginning you think because at the beginning veu aetuattv— think because at the beginning you actually blamed suella braverman-also- you actually blamed suella braverman also priti patel. braverman and also priti patel. yes braverman and also priti patel. ves tang— braverman and also priti patel. ves tang-t— braverman and also priti patel. yes hang-i don't- braverman and also priti patel. yes hang i don't think you yes hang on. i don't think you can:— yes hang on. i don't think you can, because remember the remember office can, because remember the remember-office run remember the home office is run by remember the home office is run tv-etvtt— remember the home office is run by-civil servants— remember the home office is run by civil servants who were by a of civil servants who were verv— by a of civil servants who were very, objectionable very, very objectionable towards rrttt —tnev-ve- very, very objectionable towards priti _they've been. priti patel. and they've been ant— priti patel. and they've been anenest—- priti patel. and they've been- and_ones processing and they are the ones processing ttts— and they are the ones processing tnts. se— and they are the ones processing tnts. se vvnv— and they are the ones processing this. so why has— and they are the ones processing this. so why has it— and they are the ones processing this. so why has it taken them so this. so why has it taken them se tenge— this. so why has it taken them se tenge vvnv— this. so why has it taken them so long? why are— this. so why has it taken them so long? why are they only ereeesstnge— so long? why are they only processing? nine inches processing? is it nine inches rooste— processing? is it nine inches 1000?-assure- processing? is it nine inches 1000? assure you, i was 1000? let me assure you, i was a mtntster. — 1000? let me assure you, i was a mtntster. rt— 1000? let me assure you, i was a minister. if you— 1000? let me assure you, i was a minister. if you give— 1000? let me assure you, i was a minister. if you give a- 1000? let me assure you, i was a minister. �*" t; i minister. if you give a clear order, it will be carried out. she didn't agree with some of

the orders. did not. doesn't the orders. she did not. doesn't matter agree with. the orders. she did not. doesn't matno, agree with. the orders. she did not. doesn't matno, that's agree with. the orders. she did not. doesn't matno, that's right. agree with. the orders. she did not. doesn't matno, that's right. they with. no, no, that's right. they shouldn't your job. your job shouldn't be your job. your job as a civil servant. _ shouldn't be your job. your job as a civil servant. and i worked with office people who with foreign office people who probably didn't agree with all foreign policy positions across a range of things. the prime trtntster— a range of things. the prime minister orders,— a range of things. the prime minister orders, the- g “gti the prime minister orders, the foreign secretary— minister orders, the foreign secretary orders even little me suggests— secretary orders even little me suggests ant— secretary orders even little me suggests ant rt— secretary orders even little me suggests and it gets done. \it suggests and it gets done. no, but — suggests and it gets done. no, but nut— suggests and it gets done. no, but. but suella— suggests and it gets done. no, but. but suella braverman point is that she's hampered by the fact we won't cooperate with anybody. she's hampered by the fact anybody. she's hampered by the taet mat.— anybody. she's hampered by the fact that. what— anybody. she's hampered by the fact that. what do— is“«t : she's hampered by the fact that. what do you mean we eeeeeratee— fact that. what do you mean we eeeeeratee tre— fact that. what do you mean we cooperate? we just— fact that. what do you mean we cooperate? we just paying the trenen — cooperate? we just paying the trenen natt— cooperate? we just paying the french half £1— cooperate? we just paying the french half £1 billion. we won't do french half £1 billion. we won't te venat— french half £1 billion. we won't do what they're _ french half £1 billion. we won't do what they're obliged to do, unten— do what they're obliged to do, unten ts— do what they're obliged to do, which is control— do what they're obliged to do, which is control their own terters— which is control their own terters ,— which is control their own borders ,-we- which is control their own- borders ,-we-secured borders, where we have secured a geet— borders, where we have secured a geet eeeeeratten— borders, where we have secured a good cooperation agreement is need— good cooperation agreement is indeed albania. _ good cooperation agreement is indeed albania. they will take edi indeed albania. they will take tot tama— indeed albania. they will take edi rama, the— indeed albania. they will take edi rama, the prime minister of attanta— edi rama, the prime minister of albania, friend— edi rama, the prime minister of albania, friend of— edi rama, the prime minister of albania, friend of mine. he was mere— albania, friend of mine. he was nere 2— albania, friend of mine. he was mere 2 er— albania, friend of mine. he was mere 2 er s— albania, friend of mine. he was here 2 or 3 weeks— albania, friend of mine. he was here 2 or 3 weeks ago with rishi summ— here 2 or 3 weeks ago with rishi sunat, ne— here 2 or 3 weeks ago with rishi sunak, no question. i heard him aenat— sunak, no question. i heard him aenat ateut— sunak, no question. i heard him a chat about he— sunak, no question. i heard him a chat about he utterly deplores any a chat about he utterly deplores anv ertmtnat— a chat about he utterly deplores any criminal activity . he any criminal activity. he teem-t.— any criminal activity. he doesn't. well,- any criminal activity. he doesn't. well, he's not likely to doesn't. well, he's not likely te enameten— doesn't. well, he's not likely to champion it,— doesn't. well, he's not likely to champion it, is— doesn't. well, he's not likely to champion it, is he, dennis? mett— to champion it, is he, dennis? vvett, veu— to champion it, is he, dennis? vvett, veu keep_

to champion it, is he, dennis? well, you keep insulting the attantans. — well, you keep insulting the albanians. i'm— well, you keep insulting the albanians. i'm didn't have not tnsuttet— albanians. i'm didn't have not insulted the— albanians. i'm didn't have not insulted the albanians. nanette-s— insulted the albanians. nobody's insulting- insulted the albanians. nobody's insulting the albanians. nobody's insulting anybody. well, he was very upset at tne— anybody. well, he was very upset at the branding,— is“«t : well, he was very upset at the branding, certainly not by at the branding, certainly not be ten— at the branding, certainly not be ten er— at the branding, certainly not by ben or myself or you, dan in muen— by ben or myself or you, dan in muen muen— by ben or myself or you, dan in muen muen et— by ben or myself or you, dan in much, much of our— by ben or myself or you, dan in much, much of our press of the attantans— much, much of our press of the attantans tn— much, much of our press of the albanians in language that was used— albanians in language that was uset ateut— albanians in language that was used about two _ albanians in language that was used about two minutes ago, it teesn-t— used about two minutes ago, it doesn't matter. _ used about two minutes ago, it doesn't matter. he— used about two minutes ago, it doesn't matter. ti; ”6&th doesn't matter. he is ready to take them all back. that's the brits. that's good of him. but they shouldn't be coming. they're not under persecution. there's nothing wrong with the point here. the point here. the rent— point here. the point here. the gent-ts— point here. the point here. the eetnt-ts-tne— point here. the point here. the point-is-the civil- point here is not the civil servtee. — point here is not the civil service. -point- point here is not the civil service. point is point here is not the civil- service.-point-is not service. the point here is not suetta— service. the point here is not suella braverman— service. the point here is not suella braverman or priti patel service. the point here is not su the braverman or priti patel service. the point here is not su the nationality or priti patel service. the point here is not su the nationality andriti patel service. the point here is not su the nationality and borders. or the nationality and borders etu— or the nationality and borders nttt—tttegat- bill or indeed the illegal mtgratten— bill or indeed the illegal migration that's going migration bill that's going tnreugn—tnet through parliament at the mement — through parliament at the moment. the— through parliament at the moment. the here is that moment. the point here is that the moment. the point here is that me nrtttsn— moment. the point here is that the british government has got a tuntamentat— the british government has got a fundamental failure in its eettev— fundamental failure in its policy approach to dealing with the policy approach to dealing with me teats— policy approach to dealing with the boats coming— policy approach to dealing with the boats coming from france . is the boats coming from france. is it the boats coming from france. is tt just— the boats coming from france. is tt t-ust, veu— the boats coming from france. is it just, you cannot— the boats coming from france. is it just, you cannot deal with it tnreugn— it just, you cannot deal with it through deportation ? �*" through deportation? so finally. all through deportation? so finally. att rtgnt,— through deportation? so finally. att rtgnt, se— through deportation? so finally. all right, so dennis,— through deportation? so finally. all right, so dennis, so- through deportation? �*" all right, so dennis, so should we just— all right, so dennis, so should we just tet— all right, so dennis, so should we just let them— all right, so dennis, so should we just let them all in then? tntng— we just let them all in then? tntng ts— we just let them all in then? thing is certainly not. certatntv— thing is certainly not. certainly not.- thing is certainly not. certainly not. well,- thing is certainly not. certainly not. well, i would have a specialised we've got, we've got dennis has got to rise

up in arms against me but we've got an invasion of people coming from france across the channel into the united kingdom, 45,000 last year, 80,000 this year. and we need a specialised force developed to respond particularly to these small boats trained in stopping them and requiring them to go back and requiring them to go back and making sure that they don't come, you know, into harm. as a result of that policy. you can't do that unless— result of that policy. you can't do that unless the— i you can't do that unless the french will take — do that unless the french will take tnem — do that unless the french will take them back. _ do that unless the french will take them back. titties ititi; take them back. what are you going to know? you stop them and you require them to at the point of our territorial waters. let me just define territorial waters before we have that debate. wrong. debate. again, you're wrong. territorial think territorial waters. do you think the royal navy on top of the royal navy is on top of this? they the navy . this? they say the royal navy. all right, we're not going to dump— all right, we're not going to tune en— all right, we're not going to dump en tne— all right, we're not going to dump on the royal navy. \it all right, we're not going to dump on the royal navy. \tilit dump on the royal navy. no, no, i'm dump on the royal navy. no, no, m net— dump on the royal navy. no, no, m net navtng— dump on the royal navy. no, no, m net tavtng a— dump on the royal navy. no, no, i'm not having a dump at the royal navy. the royal navy are not specifically set up and trained to stop dinghies coming not specifically set up and trafromto stop dinghies coming not specifically set up and trafrom france. dinghies coming not specifically set up and trafrom france. wejhies coming not specifically set up and trafrom france. we needcoming not specifically set up and trafrom france. we need aming in from france. we need a specialised force. called specialised force. just called it it is an it an invasion. it is an invasion. is you calling it invasion. it is you calling it an it is an invasion. that's

what the royal navy's always existed stop invasions, existed for, to stop invasions, not not dinghies. well not not with dinghies. well you're this is the you're not serious. this is the point. serious. point. i'm utterly serious. border control is about stopping people from entering the country. is not about country. it is not about deporting , deporting them. deporting, deporting them. actually, is what actually, deportation is what you use when you fail. that was the switzerland in the problem with switzerland in 1930. they every back 1930. they turned every jew back and 1930. they turned every jew back ant arter— 1930. they turned every jew back ant atter tne— 1930. they turned every jew back and after the war— 1930. they turned every jew back and after the war we _ 00 they turned every jew back and after the war we passed lots ant— and after the war we passed lots ant tets— and after the war we passed lots ant tets et— and after the war we passed lots and lots of laws— and after the war we passed lots and lots of laws and conventions . vvtnsten— and lots of laws and conventions . winston churchill— and lots of laws and conventions . winston churchill led the stage— . winston churchill led the stage te— . winston churchill led the enarge te sav— . winston churchill led the charge to say, if somebody comes ant— charge to say, if somebody comes ant aetuattv— charge to say, if somebody comes and actually has— charge to say, if somebody comes and actually has to— charge to say, if somebody comes and actually has to only issue tne— and actually has to only issue me were— and actually has to only issue the word asylum,— and actually has to only issue the word asylum, maybe we need to the word asylum, maybe we need te reente— the word asylum, maybe we need to rewrite these— the word asylum, maybe we need to rewrite these laws . uh, it's to rewrite these laws. uh, it's a well—grounded _ to rewrite these laws. uh, it's a well—grounded fear of we keep revvrtttng— a well—grounded fear of we keep rewriting them,— a well—grounded fear of we keep rewriting them, letting them in, we teen— rewriting them, letting them in, we keep rewriting— rewriting them, letting them in, we keep rewriting the laws, and men— we keep rewriting the laws, and men sene— we keep rewriting the laws, and then some sort— we keep rewriting the laws, and then some sort of— we keep rewriting the laws, and then some sort of weird woke mtntset— then some sort of weird woke mindset stops— then some sort of weird woke mindset stops every single law. anu— mindset stops every single law. anulwmsten— mindset stops every single law. andlwinston churchill- mindset stops every single law. andlwinston churchill was- and if winston churchill was woke, everything create, woke, everything we create, i didn't what? didn't say churchill. what? you've that i've not you've just said that i've not finished what i'm saying. it seems everything create finished what i'm saying. it se stopped everything create finished what i'm saying. it se stopped by'erything create finished what i'm saying. it sestopped by some ng create finished what i'm saying. it sestopped by some litigiousaate is stopped by some litigious system enable to system that doesn't enable us to do is do anything, which is unfortunate, but let's move on. but anyway, ultimately , i mean, but anyway, ultimately, i mean, what you think? you think what do you think? do you think we should just accept them seeing as we accept 95% of them,

we spending a fortune we are spending a fortune in these hotels and barges and all other other concepts are other other concepts that are coming in end, we coming up. and in the end, we always okay, you come always say, okay, you can come in, bother ? what do you in, so why bother? what do you think get in touch think you can get in touch gbviews@gbnews.uk tweet me at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. you're with me . i'm gb news. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio . coming up, labour wants to impose private school impose vat on private school fees , but could this have fees, but could this have a detrimental effect on state education? we'll discuss that .

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thought it was pretty funny. i thought it was funny. thank you. it's canned now we're it's canned laughter now we're live online and on live on tv, online and on digital right. so a new digital radio. right. so a new survey has revealed the possible impact of six items proposed tax rate on schools. now, rate on private schools. now, the labour leader wants to impose 20% vat on private school fees, but the survey has found up to 60% of parents would withdraw their child from private school if the plans went ahead, which would shift many of those pupils into state education, which seems a bit stupid really. the labour party didn't think that that might happen money that they happen and the money that they think going to get think they're going to get wouldn't do wouldn't be the amount. so do labour's plans threaten the future let's future of education? so let's see panel make of that. see what my panel make of that. joining me is a member of reform uk and former mep ben habib was a labour minister for a former labour minister for europe. mcshane. so ben , europe. dennis mcshane. so ben, the labour party are thinking that stick 20, 20, that if they stick 20, 20, 20, the vat onto these school fees, they've added it all up, plus they've added it all up, plus the numbers worked out with the numbers people are numbers of people who are currently paying private education, extra 20. education, plus this extra 20. they've out with a figure they've come out with a figure that to that they think is going to solve problem. yeah. and the

solve the problem. yeah. and the idea is, course, that they're idea is, of course, that they're going that money put going to take that money and put it into the state sector. but, you know, this is g i but, you know, this is completely the eettttes— you know, this is completely the eettttes-.— you know, this is completely the nettttes-. tt-s— you know, this is completely the politics . it's typical politics of envy. it's typical tateur. — politics of envy. it's typical tateur. tt-s— politics of envy. it's typical labour. it's a— politics of envy. it's typical labour. it's a hark back aetuattv— labour. it's a hark back. actually—and actually to the 1970s, and i tene— actually to the 1970s, and i neee nennts— actually to the 1970s, and i hope dennis will concur with me tnat— hope dennis will concur with me tnat unat— hope dennis will concur with me tnat vvnat veu— hope dennis will concur with me that what you don't do is damage semetntng— that what you don't do is damage semetntng tnat— that what you don't do is damage something that works extremely nett— something that works extremely egg, vvnten— something that works extremely well, which is— something that works extremely well, which is a— something that works extremely well, which is a pride of the natten— well, which is a pride of the nation, which— well, which is a pride of the nation, which is— well, which is a pride of the nation, which is recognised gtetattv— nation, which is recognised gtetattv as— nation, which is recognised gtetattv as a— nation, which is recognised globally as a fantastic education— globally as a fantastic education system. you don't tamage— education system. you don't tamage tnat— education system. you don't damage that at— education system. you don't damage that at in order to try to damage that at in order to try te tntng— damage that at in order to try te tnng ue— damage that at in order to try te tnng up ,— damage that at in order to try te tnng up , veu— damage that at in order to try to bring up, you know, damage that at in order to try to bring up , you know, state to bring up, you know, state etueatten— to bring up, you know, state education what— to bring up, you know, state education what they need to resus— education what they need to teeus en — education what they need to teeus en ts— education what they need to focus on is improving state etueatten— focus on is improving state education and— focus on is improving state education and allow that which is education and allow that which ts vverttng— education and allow that which is working incredibly well to eenttnue— is working incredibly well to eenttnue te— is working incredibly well to continue to work incredibly wett— continue to work incredibly vvett. tt-s— continue to work incredibly well. it's daft— continue to work incredibly well. it's daft politics. it's as t— well. it's daft politics. it's as r sav— well. it's daft politics. it's as t save tne— well. it's daft politics. it's as i say, the politics of envy. tt-tt— as i say, the politics of envy. tt-tt tast— as i say, the politics of envy. it'll last for— as i say, the politics of envy. it'll last for five _ as i say, the politics of envy. it'll last for five minutes. it went— it'll last for five minutes. it went att— it'll last for five minutes. it went add up— it'll last for five minutes. it went add up .— it'll last for five minutes. it won't add up . and of course won't add up. and of course tnev-tt— won't add up. and of course tnev-tt tese— won't add up. and of course they'll lose revenue as a result . tne— they'll lose revenue as a result . tne mere— they'll lose revenue as a result . tne veu— they'll lose revenue as a result . the more you tax— they'll lose revenue as a result . the more you tax something, tne— . the more you tax something, tne tess— . the more you tax something, tne tess tax— . the more you tax something, the less tax you— . the more you tax something, the less tax you raise. and this is the less tax you raise. and this ts tveteat— the less tax you raise. and this ts tveteat tat— the less tax you raise. and this is typical bad labour policy. ant— is typical bad labour policy. ant nennts— is typical bad labour policy. and dennis must not excuse it. nennts— and dennis must not excuse it. nennts venat— and dennis must not excuse it. dennis what do— and dennis must not excuse it. dennis what do you think? neause— dennis what do you think? because hang— dennis what do you think? because hang on- dennis what do you think? because hang on what- dennis what do you think? because hang on what i'm speaking. let me finish then you

can come in. sorry, ma'am. thank you. right. so, dennis, what do you. right. so, dennis, what do you that? i was you think about that? i was going say, i first of all, going to say, i first of all, would with ben about some would agree with ben about some of disastrous wrong turnings of the disastrous wrong turnings of the disastrous wrong turnings of 1970s when of education in 1970s when margaret was education margaret thatcher was education secretary forced so many secretary and she forced so many good to become bad good schools to become bad comprehen lives. i mean, she reattv— comprehen lives. i mean, she reattv test— comprehen lives. i mean, she really lost the _ comprehen lives. i mean, she really lost the plot. - i“ c i mean, she really lost the plot. she was a suetta— really lost the plot. she was a suella braverman of her time, became a great suella is a great lady. i'm not having all this tentgrattng— lady. i'm not having all this denigrating of— it: i'm not having all this denigrating of suella she ac i'm not having all this denigrating of suella she might teeeme— denigrating of suella she might teeeme a— denigrating of suella she might become a great— denigrating of suella she might become a great lady. jt�*i�*itl�*g c become a great lady. maybe like mrs.— become a great lady. maybe like mrs. thatcher should become a great prime minister. but she's a dreadful secretary a dreadful home secretary anyway. to flash forward to today, learn today, i was astonished to learn that all the oligarchs , russia, that all the oligarchs, russia, china, everywhere around the world sending their children to eton and winchester, just to name the two schools. the current and the last but one prime minister went to get an amazing tax break. my children didn't get that. what tax break is didn't get that. what tax break ts tntse— didn't get that. what tax break ts tntse tnev— didn't get that. what tax break is this? they get— didn't get that. what tax break is this? they get they- c c“ g gig what tax break is this? they get they get a 20% lift is this? they get they get a 20% tttt ett— is this? they get they get a 20% tttt ett tne— is this? they get they get a 20% lift off the cost— is this? they get they get a 20% lift off the cost of— is this? they get they get a 20% lift off the cost of the school. nut— lift off the cost of the school. but denma— lift off the cost of the school. but dennis, they're— lift off the cost of the school. but dennis, they're not- lift off the cost of the school. but dennis, they're not my children didn't have that. they're not being educated. had

to pay higher taxes. i assume for them to pay higher taxes. i assume ter tnem te— to pay higher taxes. i assume ter tnem te ge— to pay higher taxes. i assume for them to go to— to pay higher taxes. i assume for them to go to very- “ cg i assume for them to go to very good state— for them to go to very good state schools,— for them to go to very good state schools, very happy with men. — state schools, very happy with men. i— state schools, very happy with them.-i really— state schools, very happy with them. i really think we need them. and i really think we need to them. and i really think we need te meve— them. and i really think we need te meve-trem— them. and i really think we need to move _from the- them. and i really think we need to move from the snobbery to move away from the snobbery tnat-s— to move away from the snobbery that's hostile _ to move away from the snobbery that's hostile to— to move away from the snobbery that's hostile to state schools. wett— that's hostile to state schools. vvett-en. — that's hostile to state schools. well,-on. first- that's hostile to state schools. well,-on. first.all,. that's hostile to state schools. well,-on. first-all, ifj well, hold on. first of all, if that's the case, then perhaps the party take the labour party should take that advice because that is sheer snobbery that they're thinking that they're going to add these schools thinking that they're going to a now, these schools thinking that they're going to anow, i these schools thinking that they're going to anow, i went these schools thinking that they're going to anow, i went to these schools thinking that they're going to anow, i went to oneiese schools thinking that they're going to anow, i went to one of; schools thinking that they're going to a now, i went to one of those ols . now, i went to one of those private schools. i actually went to comprehensive of all, to a comprehensive first of all, state then my parents state school. then my parents moved so up in moved abroad. so i ended up in one those private schools and one of those private schools and it was wonderful . and it really it was wonderful. and it really shifted the way i was educated. but i got an opportunity to do that. had stayed in a state that. had i stayed in a state school, wouldn't probably school, i wouldn't be probably doing and when you doing this at all. and when you went school nana went to the private school nana a burden . when you went to the a burden. when you went to the burden— a burden. when you went to the turten nas— a burden. when you went to the burden was taken— a burden. when you went to the burden was taken off— cti;“ when you went to the burden was taken off the state seneet. — burden was taken off the state seneet. ant — burden was taken off the state school. and that's— burden was taken off the state school. and that's the argument you school. and that's the argument veu ten-t— school. and that's the argument you don't recognise . dennis you don't recognise. dennis aetuattv— you don't recognise. dennis actually knowing you and i've got actually knowing you and i've get te— actually knowing you and i've get te men— actually knowing you and i've get te tnevv veu— actually knowing you and i've got to know you a little bit over recent months, i think veu-t— over recent months, i think we nave— over recent months, i think you'd have been- over recent months, i think you'd have been a star. �*tivt�*tiiti; you'd have been a star. were you savtng— you'd have been a star. were you saying that? you say that, but actually, me just actually, let me just what school were well, you school you were at. well, you know, comprehensive

know, a state comprehensive school. he very well. school. he did very well. i mean, a remainer. i've met mean, he's a remainer. i've met up some of my mean, he's a remainer. i've met up-some of my friends- i“ l i've met up some of my friends who up with some of my friends who went— up with some of my friends who vvent te— up with some of my friends who went to-school_ up with some of my friends who went to - school and - up with some of my friends who went to school and they went to that school and they tntnt— went to that school and they tntnt-reattv— went to that school and they think really clever when i think i'm really clever when i sat— think i'm really clever when i sat nevu— think i'm really clever when i said how many— think i'm really clever when i said how many o—levels, i had et— said how many o—levels, i had none of those. _ said how many o—levels, i had none of those. even the none of those. even in the ntgner— none of those. even in the ntgner sets— none of those. even in the higher sets that- none of those. even in the higher sets that i'd been in mm— higher sets that i'd been in mtn-nat— higher sets that i'd been in with-had-got- higher sets that i'd been in with had got the of higher sets that i'd been in- with-had-got the of they with had had had got the of they all with had had had got the of they at nat— with had had had got the of they at nat csts. — with had had had got the of they all had cses. grades weren't all had cses. the grades weren't as geet— all had cses. the grades weren't as geet as— all had cses. the grades weren't as good as mine.— all had cses. the grades weren't as good as mine. yet these were the as good as mine. yet these were tne reeve— as good as mine. yet these were the clever kids— as good as mine. yet these were the clever kids-the- as good as mine. yet these were the clever kids the only the clever kids and the only tntng— the clever kids and the only thing-changed- the clever kids and the only thing changed with that thing that changed with that is tnat— thing that changed with that is mat-ant— thing that changed with that is tnat-ant nas— thing that changed with that is that and was moved to a that i went and was moved to a ertvate— that i went and was moved to a envate seteet— that i went and was moved to a private school. well, again, private school. well, now again, i private school. well, now again, t—net— private school. well, now again, i_not defending - i mean, i'm not defending anvtntng— i mean, i'm not defending anything particularly. c c i mean, i'm not defending an | particularly. c c i mean, i'm not defending an | part g c i mean, i'm not defending an | part g i mean, i'm not defending- an kn0w| partbrought ithe 20% to know who brought in the 20% vat i mean, you know, vat break. i mean, you know, most services have made. well, i don't think it's ever— most services have made. well, i don't think it's ever been- don't think it's ever been sutieet— don't think it's ever been subject charitable subject to vat, charitable etueatten — education has never been sutieet— education has never been subject.-well.| education has never been- subject.-well. well, subject. you know. well. well, eertatntv— subject. you know. well. well, eertatntv tne— subject. you know. well. well, certainly the schools to which you— certainly the schools to which veu reterret— certainly the schools to which you referred winchester, you referred eton, winchester, rughet— rugby, harrow and all the rest, vou— rugby, harrow and all the rest, veu men,— rugby, harrow and all the rest, veu tnevv, tnev— rugby, harrow and all the rest, you know, they are charitable status— you know, they are charitable status,-status- you know, they are charitable status, status and status, charitable status and etner—arel status, charitable status andi other—are not other private schools are not etttget. — other private schools are not etttgeet—tevv- other private schools are not etttget. _tevv ,- other private schools are noti obliged. _levy , you obliged. i think, to levy, you men,— obliged. i think, to levy, you meve-en— obliged. i think, to levy, you know,-on fees.- obliged. i think, to levy, you know, on fees. and nor know, vat on fees. and nor sneutt — know, vat on fees. and nor should _they're . know, vat on fees. and nor- should _they're actually should they be. they're actually tavtng— should they be. they're actually tattnglturten— should they be. they're actually taking lburden off— should they be. they're actually taking burden off the state. taking a burden off the state. nennts— taking a burden off the state. dennis they're— taking a burden off the state. dennis they're providing a good servtee. — dennis they're providing a good service. normally,— dennis they're providing a good service. \t dennis they're providing a good. service. normally,-you you service. normally, when you you pay service. normally, when you you pay for your accountant, you pay for any service, you get for this any service, you get 20, you get vat added. now this is this just simply saying

is this is just simply saying that they're making money out of it. they're profitable outfits, maybe non big. it. they're profitable outfits, maybe non big . they haven't got maybe non big. they haven't got shareholders, but the teachers, they will destroy something that this country operates incredibly well. that's what this policy neute— well. that's what this policy vveutt te. — well. that's what this policy would do. well,— well. that's what this policy would do. well, it— that's what this policy would do. well, it there's one eersen— would do. well, it there's one person, beloved— would do. well, it there's one person, beloved easter bunny nana— person, beloved easter bunny nana eate— person, beloved easter bunny nana eate get— person, beloved easter bunny nana cake got out of her easter egg- — nana cake got out of her easter egg. taster— nana cake got out of her easter egg. taster egg— nana cake got out of her easter egg. easter egg sorry.- nana cake got out of her easter egg. gg egg. easter egg sorry. out of her school and went up after she went to a private school. we are delighted for her, but the implication seems to be that everybody in the state school without adequate resources look at the teachers screaming to have decent pay should be left behind. no. so that one person no. they go up . no one quite no. they go up. no one quite nett— no. they go up. no one quite well. actually,— no. they go up. no one quite well. actually, i— no. they go up. no one quite well. actually, i don't- "tillgt tcgit c. no one quite well. actually, i don't think tnat-s— well. actually, i don't think tnat-s gutte— well. actually, i don't think that's quite true. dennis. /tit that's quite true. dennis. you ten-t— that's quite true. dennis. you ten-t tevet— that's quite true. dennis. you ten-t tevet ue— that's quite true. dennis. you don't level up the— that's quite true. dennis. you don't level up the educational system or you don't you don't benefit level up the educational system by dragging private schools down. nobody's dragging tnem — schools down. nobody's dragging tnem tevvn. — schools down. nobody's dragging them down. well,— schools down. nobody's dragging them down. well, that's- i c nobody's dragging them down. �*tivt�*ticc expeccg them down. well, that's exactly what would happen if 60% of

parents can't afford them. well, can we just pause one parents can't afford them. - well, can we just pause one tiny seeente— well, can we just pause one tiny seeente tnts— well, can we just pause one tiny second? this is— well, can we just pause one tiny second? this is not— well, can we just pause one tiny second? this is not some independent— second? this is not some independent ipsos mori poll. tnts— independent ipsos mori poll. tnts ts— independent ipsos mori poll. tnts ts tne— independent ipsos mori poll. this is the lobbying outfit paid verv— this is the lobbying outfit paid very handsomely— this is the lobbying outfit paid very handsomely by the private seneets— very handsomely by the private seneets te— very handsomely by the private schools to mount— very handsomely by the private schools to mount a lobbying organisation.— schools to mount a lobbying organisation. dennis no, it's tnteeentent— organisation. dennis no, it's independent schools council and tnev-ve— independent schools council and tnev-ve tt-s— independent schools council and they've it's like— independent schools council and they've it's like me— independent schools council and they've it's like me going round they've it's like me going round tne tateur— they've it's like me going round the labour party— they've it's like me going round the labour party and saying i'm tavtng— the labour party and saying i'm navtng an— the labour party and saying i'm having an independent survey who sneutt— having an independent survey who sneutt te— having an independent survey who sneutt te tne— having an independent survey who should be the next— having an independent survey who should be the next prime ntntstere— should be the next prime minister? so— should be the next prime minister? so hang on. so hang on. minister? so hang on. so hang en-tne— minister? so hang on. so hang on.-the result. - minister? so hang on. so hang on.-the result. so- on. what the result. so sometimes— on. what the result. so sometimes funny though that sometimes it's funny though that we which statistics we're we choose which statistics we're going this is a going to accept. so this is a survey was done. if we take survey that was done. if we take it on face value, a lot of those parents won't be able to afford it. they're saying. it. that's what they're saying. and i'd be inclined to believe that because those schools are quite expensive. and an additional 20% is fifth on additional 20% is a fifth on top, which is a lot school. and a of those parents are a lot of those parents are not wealthy, parents. oh, wealthy, wealthy parents. oh, no, that. a lot of no, i agree with that. a lot of them are middle— tittcgiti;ti a lot of them are middle income parents vene— them are middle income parents nne-teettet— them are middle income parents who-decided to— them are middle income parents who decided to sacrifice who have decided to sacrifice tntngs— who have decided to sacrifice tntngs-tnetr- who have decided to sacrifice things-their kids- who have decided to sacrifice things their kids will things so that their kids will get-education- things so that their kids will get education because get a good education because a geet— get a good education because a good education—lotl get a good education because a. good education—lot of good education can make a lot of tttterenee. — good education can make a lot of difference. and— good education can make a lot of difference. and why— good education can make a lot of difference. “c c difference. and why should they be being punished it?

be being punished for it? they're look, if it's a they're not. look, if it's a guestten— they're not. look, if it's a question punishment, they're not. look, if it's a question-punishment, are question of punishment, they are extra— question of punishment, they are extra 20. — question of punishment, they are extra 20. _tere— question of punishment, they are extra 20. for? because it's extra 20. what for? because it's a servtee— extra 20. what for? because it's a servtee tnat— extra 20. what for? because it's a service that you— extra 20. what for? because it's a service that you buy. and nermattv— a service that you buy. and normally required. normally you are required. but nennts— normally you are required. but dennis,-finish- dennis, if i just finish for a seeent— dennis, if i just finish for a second because— dennis, if i just finish for a second because it's charitable status— second because it's charitable status ne— second because it's charitable status, no pupils— second because it's charitable status, no pupils who to status, no pupils who go to state—eav- status, no pupils who go to- state—eavleennv. state schools don't pay a penny. so state schools don't pay a penny. se unv— state schools don't pay a penny. so very vveutu— state schools don't pay a penny. so very vveutu vau— state schools don't pay a penny. so why would you punish- state schools don't pay a penny. so why would you punish people who are actually paying fees for their they're paying who are actually paying fees for their you they're paying who are actually paying fees for their you pay they're paying who are actually paying fees for their you pay thetfeesiaying who are actually paying fees for their you pay thetfeesiayinthen twice. you pay pay fees and then pay twice. you pay pay fees and then pay taxes top. it makes pay taxes on top. it makes no sense. no don't. punishing sense. no you don't. punishing anvtetv— sense. no you don't. punishing anvtetv. t— sense. no you don't. punishing anvtetv. t mean— sense. no you don't. punishing anybody. i mean, they- \it cit“ e punishing anybody. i mean, they they have eteetet— anybody. i mean, they they have elected - private - elected to use a private servtee. — elected to use a private service. you _ elected to use a private service. you-to- elected to use a private service. you to a private service. you go to a private metteat— service. you go to a private medical consultation , you'll pay medical consultation, you'll pay vett— medical consultation, you'll pay var at— medical consultation, you'll pay var at tne— medical consultation, you'll pay vat at the end— medical consultation, you'll pay vat at the end of— medical consultation, you'll pay vat at the end of that bill. you tne— vat at the end of that bill. you me its,— vat at the end of that bill. you use the nhs, you— vat at the end of that bill. you use the nhs, you won't. now, we nave— use the nhs, you won't. now, we nave te— use the nhs, you won't. now, we have to decide— use the nhs, you won't. now, we have to decide whether we do want— have to decide whether we do vvant te — have to decide whether we do want to raise— have to decide whether we do want to raise a— have to decide whether we do want to raise a bit— have to decide whether we do want to raise a bit more for menev— want to raise a bit more for menev tne— want to raise a bit more for money the children that didn't nave— money the children that didn't nave veur— money the children that didn't have your break.— money the children that didn't have your break. i taxes an all ttme. — have your break. i taxes an all ttme. tve— have your break. i taxes an all ttme. he get— have your break. i taxes an all ttme. me get a— have your break. i taxes an all time. i've got a lot— have your break. i taxes an all time. i've got a lot of friends une— time. i've got a lot of friends vvne sent— time. i've got a lot of friends who send their— time. i've got a lot of friends who send their children to ertvate— who send their children to private schools _ who send their children to private schools and i completely agree— private schools and i completely agree vvttn— private schools and i completely agree vvttn veu. — private schools and i completely agree with you. often bankrupt tnemsetves— agree with you. often bankrupt themselves holiday and new themselves forgo holiday and new cars themselves forgo holiday and new ant— themselves forgo holiday and new cars and electric— themselves forgo holiday and new cars and electric vehicles. well tnev-re— cars and electric vehicles. well tnev-re getng— cars and electric vehicles. well tnev-re getng te— cars and electric vehicles. well they're going to end up in the state— they're going to end up in the state seete — they're going to end up in the state sector. they— they're going to end up in the state sector. they will. no, i exneet— state sector. they will. no, i exeeet rt— state sector. they will. no, i exeeet tt tnev— state sector. they will. no, i expect if they really think it's tnat— expect if they really think it's that important. _ expect if they really think it's that important. what i also know is that important. what i also know ts se— that important. what i also know ts se manv— that important. what i also know ts se manv et— that important. what i also know is so many of them— that important. what i also know

is so many of them put a lot of mere— is so many of them put a lot of mere menev— is so many of them put a lot of their money into— is so many of them put a lot of their money into going to these ertvate— their money into going to these private schools,— their money into going to these private schools, then come meantng— private schools, then come meantng te— private schools, then come moaning to me.- private schools, then come moaning to me. but jack or jill tttn-t— moaning to me. but jack or jill tttn-t get— moaning to me. but jack or jill didn't get into— moaning to me. but jack or jill didn't get into oxford. jack or jill didn't get into oxford. jack or it gran-t— didn't get into oxford. jack or it trtn-t get— didn't get into oxford. jack or jill didn't get into a top university. _ jill didn't get into a top university. that's a that's a different moan. but you're too sanguine, i think, about sanguine, i think, dennis, about the massive damage that overtaxing everything. by the way, it's not just these schools that coming in the that are coming in the crosshairs taxation . you crosshairs of taxation. you know, taxation is we now, as we know, taxation is we now, as we know, at a post—world war ii know, is at a post—world war ii high, under high, and that's under a conservative government. and you get going get labour, they're going to take another level. take it to another level. there's a to how much there's a limit to how much taxation you levy on the taxation you can levy on the united kingdom. are going to united kingdom. we are going to break, i've problems break, jack. i've no problems vvttn— break, jack. i've no problems mtn-t— break, jack. i've no problems vvttn-t argue- with that. and i argue consistently- with that. and i argue consistently written consistently. we look at consistently. we should look at tureeean— consistently. we should look at european models— consistently. we should look at european models where people insure themselves , where they insure themselves, where they make— insure themselves, where they make contribution. this make some contribution. this assumetten— make some contribution. this assumption everything should be free assumption everything should be tree tates— assumption everything should be free dates from. _ assumption everything should be free dates from. right now . it's free dates from. right now. it's aven— free dates from. right now. it's averv geet— free dates from. right now. it's a very good article in the suntav— a very good article in the sunday times— a very good article in the sunday times how tories sunday times of how tories eettev— sunday times of how tories eettevltaveur— sunday times of how tories policy favour pensioners. policy in favour of pensioners. wnatever— policy in favour of pensioners. whatever—want- policy in favour of pensioners. whatever—want ,- policy in favour of pensioners.. whatever—want , give whatever pensioners want, give it whatever pensioners want, give tt-eeutt— whatever pensioners want, give it-could break- whatever pensioners want, give it-could break the - it to them could break the eeeemv— it to them could break the economy because that's their only— economy because that's their entv vettng— economy because that's their only voting block. that is no , only voting block. that is no, no, no, no. i think- only voting block. that is no, no, no, no. g

no, no, no. i think we've gone on to an interesting plane, but i'm afraid we have to stop right there. and actually some of those schools do some real charitable they do . i charitable things. they do. i know the school that i used know that the school that i used to a thing where it to go to does a thing where it goes community and gets goes into the community and gets the older people who the elderly, older people who can't get out of their houses and take them all a and they take them all for a nice meal the kids help and nice meal and the kids help and everything. the everything. and i think the labour need to have labour party need to have a rethink about that one because this country are being taxed to the but what do you think? the hilt. but what do you think? get and we need get your thoughts and we need to read those emails out. read some of those emails out. you're me. nana akua. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this on tv, online this is gb views on tv, online and on digital radio. after the break, continue with break, we will continue with head head and we're going to head to head and we're going to be looking at rishi sunak and the him. the answers are attacking him. that started that appeared to have started a row in the labour party with reports that senior labour figures were not consulted about the the the campaign. so should the party them? party continue with them? they're controversial. party continue with them? they're that controversial. party continue with them? they're that shortly.arsial. party continue with them? they're that shortly. but l. party continue with them? they're that shortly. but first, more on that shortly. but first, let's get your news let's get your latest news headunes. let's get your latest news headlines . nana thank you. headlines. nana thank you. heres— headlines. nana thank you. neres veur— headlines. nana thank you. here's your latest- c \ttit“tit thank you. here's your latest headlines at 533 here's your latest headlines at tes patents— here's your latest headlines at 533 patients face— here's your latest headlines at 533 patients face unparalleled

tevets— 533 patients face unparalleled tevets et— 533 patients face unparalleled levels of disruption when junior teeters— levels of disruption when junior teeters start— levels of disruption when junior doctors start a— levels of disruption when junior doctors start a four day strike on doctors start a four day strike en tuestav— doctors start a four day strike en tuestav .— doctors start a four day strike on tuesday . that's the warning on tuesday. that's the warning trem— on tuesday. that's the warning trem uns— on tuesday. that's the warning from nhs national medical tetreeter— from nhs national medical director professor stephen rents.— director professor stephen rents. ne— director professor stephen powis. he says— director professor stephen powis. he says he's very concerned with- powis. he says he's very concerned with hospitals facing neartv— concerned with hospitals facing neartv roe — concerned with hospitals facing nearly 100 hours— concerned with hospitals facing nearly 100 hours without up to natt— nearly 100 hours without up to man et— nearly 100 hours without up to half of their— nearly 100 hours without up to half of their medical workforce. tne— half of their medical workforce. me its— half of their medical workforce. the nhs confederation says a quarter— the nhs confederation says a guarter et— the nhs confederation says a guaner et a— the nhs confederation says a quarter of a million appointments could be postponed . tettee— appointments could be postponed . police investigating the snp's ttnanees— . police investigating the snp's finances have— . police investigating the snp's finances have reportedly seized a luxury— finances have reportedly seized a luxury motorhome, according to the a luxury motorhome, according to me natt— a luxury motorhome, according to me tratt .— a luxury motorhome, according to me tratt . en— a luxury motorhome, according to the mail . on sunday. the nisman the mail. on sunday. the nisman ntsenett— the mail. on sunday. the nisman bischoff motorhome, which can sett— bischoff motorhome, which can sett ter— bischoff motorhome, which can sell for around— bischoff motorhome, which can sell for around £110,000, was emevet— sell for around £110,000, was removed from _ sell for around £110,000, was removed from a— sell for around £110,000, was removed from a house in fife . it removed from a house in fife. it taken— removed from a house in fife. it taken at— removed from a house in fife. it was taken at the— removed from a house in fife. it was taken at the same time eettee— was taken at the same time police searched— was taken at the same time police searched the home of meta— police searched the home of nicola sturgeon— police searched the home of nicola sturgeon and her husband, eeter— nicola sturgeon and her husband, reter turret.— nicola sturgeon and her husband, peter murrell. earlier this week - up— peter murrell. earlier this week . up te— peter murrell. earlier this week . up te ten— peter murrell. earlier this week . up to ten people— peter murrell. earlier this week . up to ten people are believed to . up to ten people are believed te te— . up to ten people are believed te be trapped— . up to ten people are believed to be trapped under the rubble atten— to be trapped under the rubble atter tne— to be trapped under the rubble after two residential buildings eettaeset— after two residential buildings eettaeset tn— after two residential buildings collapsed in marseille. france's tnterter— collapsed in marseille. france's interior minister— collapsed in marseille. france's interior minister says an exetesten— interior minister says an explosion caused the incident, searttng— explosion caused the incident, searttng a— explosion caused the incident, searttng a me.— explosion caused the incident, sparking a fire. that

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tweet that was posted by the labour party this week, which says, do you think that adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should to prison children should go to prison while rishi sunak doesn't ? i while rishi sunak doesn't? i mean, of all the weak advertising messages that i've ever seen, that is one of the weakest. and it appears the tweet from the labour party has actually caused controversy within its own party. there are also reports today that senior figures like shadow home secretary yvette cooper weren't informed or consulted about the ad, despite her being in charge of labour's crime policy . the of labour's crime policy. the revelations come as sources claim the party will double down on its personal attacks on the prime and accuse him of prime minister and accuse him of effectively decriminalise rape in its next ad it's so dis tasteless , right? let's see what tasteless, right? let's see what my panel make of that. let's welcome back on reform uk welcome them back on reform uk former habib and also former mep ben habib and also former mep ben habib and also former labour minister for europe , denis macshane. i'm europe, denis macshane. i'm going start with you. what do going to start with you. what do you ben? well, i'm no fan you think, ben? well, i'm no fan of you think, ben? well, i'm no fan et-sunats.— you think, ben? well, i'm no fan et-sunatslverv- of rishi sunaks. i'm very erttteat— of rishi sunaks. i'm very critical of— of rishi sunaks. i'm very critical of his— of rishi sunaks. i'm very critical of his economic policy , ms— critical of his economic policy , nts aeereaen— critical of his economic policy , his approach to— critical of his economic policy

, his approach to the union, panteutartv— , his approach to the union, particularly in— , his approach to the union, particularly in northern magma,— particularly in northern ireland, and— particularly in northern ireland, and his approach to brent.— ireland, and his approach to brexit. three— ireland, and his approach to brexit. three things he he bags his brexit. three things he he bags nts eun— brexit. three things he he bags his own chest— brexit. three things he he bags his own chest on— brexit. three things he he bags his own chest on and says, you tnem— his own chest on and says, you know, rm— his own chest on and says, you know, t-m a— his own chest on and says, you know, i'm a conservative, i'm a erextteer— know, i'm a conservative, i'm a better ant— know, i'm a conservative, i'm a brexiteer and i'm— know, i'm a conservative, i'm a brexiteer and i'm a— know, i'm a conservative, i'm a brexiteer and i'm a unionist. nes— brexiteer and i'm a unionist. mes-et— brexiteer and i'm a unionist. he's-of-chest,. brexiteer and i'm a unionist.l he's-of-chest, isn't he's none of those chest, isn't it? he's none of those chest, isn't rte-verv— he's none of those chest, isn't rte-very ttttte— he's none of those chest, isn't it? very little chest, very it? he's very little chest, very narrow, a little,— it? he's very little chest, very narrow, a little, chest narrow, a little, little chest ant— narrow, a little, little chest ant-neat— narrow, a little, little chest ant-neat. - narrow, a little, little chest and-heart. i'm- narrow, a little, little chest. and-heart. i'm terrible and little heart. i'm terrible on time. sorry. that's naughty. that's very chest. it is. chest isn't it. small chest. small chest. yes, yes . good. but chest. yes, yes. good. but you're chest. yes, yes. good. but veu-re rtgtt— chest. yes, yes. good. but you're right. it's- chest. yes, yes. good. but you're right. it's like- i “titi gtt'lltift cc but you're right. it's like that netmet— you're right. it's like that netmet ne— you're right. it's like that helmet he wore when he was going to helmet he wore when he was going te get— helmet he wore when he was going te get me— helmet he wore when he was going te get tnte a— helmet he wore when he was going te get tnte aiet— helmet he wore when he was going to get into a jet fighter. it teetet— to get into a jet fighter. it looked kind— to get into a jet fighter. it looked kind of— to get into a jet fighter. it looked kind of weird, didn't it? i looked kind of weird, didn't it? t tttn-t— looked kind of weird, didn't it? t tttn-t see— looked kind of weird, didn't it? i didn't see that.— looked kind of weird, didn't it? i didn't see that. did you not tnate— i didn't see that. did you not see that? oh,— i didn't see that. did you not see that? oh, it— i didn't see that. did you not see that? oh, it completely mtsstaeen— see that? oh, it completely misshapen. it— see that? oh, it completely misshapen. it looked very odd. it misshapen. it looked very odd. tt teet— misshapen. it looked very odd. it look-never— misshapen. it looked very odd. it look-never have- misshapen. it looked very odd. it look never have had it look really never have had eneltnese— it look really never have had one-those diving- it look really never have had one those diving bells. a one of those diving bells. it's ute— one of those diving bells. it's ttte a— one of those diving bells. it's more like a like— one of those diving bells. it's more like a like a— one of those diving bells. it's more like a like a metal one. you put on that and suddenly you put it on that and suddenly the think he's trying the world. i think he's trying to the world. i think he's trying te-ttte— the world. i think he's trying to-like maverick.- c i think he's trying to like maverick. you know, to look like maverick. you know, mavetets— to look like maverick. you know, mavericks-different- to look like maverick. you know, mavericks different league. mavericks in a different league. i mavericks in a different league. t tram-t— mavericks in a different league. t utun-t ttna— mavericks in a different league. t utun-t ttne up— mavericks in a different league. i didn't line up with— mavericks in a different league. i didn't line up with it— mavericks in a different league. i didn't line up with it because it was so big. anyway, sorry. tavtng— it was so big. anyway, sorry. tavtng-gene- it was so big. anyway, sorry. having - gone down i it was so big. anyway, sorry. i having-gone down that having having gone down that ttttte— having having gone down that ttne-sas— having having gone down that little sac, reverse, little cul de sac, reverse, stratgnt— little cul de sac, reverse, straight back— little cul de sac, reverse,l straight back-i'm little cul de sac, reverse,- straight back-i'm very straight back out. look i'm very erttteat— straight back out. look i'm very critical. rishi _ straight back out. look i'm very critical rishi sunak on critical of rishi sunak on tntngs— critical of rishi sunak on tntngs tnat— critical of rishi sunak on things that matter, but it is eemetetetv— things that matter, but it is completely wrong to vilify the

ant— completely wrong to vilify the ant te— completely wrong to vilify the man and to claim that he doesn't want— man and to claim that he doesn't vvant te— man and to claim that he doesn't vvant te eut— man and to claim that he doesn't vvant te gut tn— man and to claim that he doesn't want to put in jail.— man and to claim that he doesn't want to put in jail. that's atsetutetv— want to put in jail. that's absolutely ridiculous . i absolutely ridiculous. i ttsagree— absolutely ridiculous. i disagree with him on many, many tntngs— disagree with him on many, many tntngs ant— disagree with him on many, many tntngs ant t— disagree with him on many, many things and i think— disagree with him on many, many things and i think he is not enttretv— things and i think he is not entirely honest— things and i think he is not entirely honest with the electorate _ entirely honest with the electorate when he describes ntmsett. — electorate when he describes ntmsett. nut— electorate when he describes himself. but on— electorate when he describes himself. but on this issue, we te— himself. but on this issue, we can be utterly— himself. but on this issue, we can be utterly confident that he neute— can be utterly confident that he vveutt tang— can be utterly confident that he would bang them— can be utterly confident that he would bang them away for the tengest— would bang them away for the longest possible— would bang them away for the longest possible time. of course he longest possible time. of course ne vveutt. — longest possible time. of course ne vveutt. nnt— longest possible time. of course he would. and i— longest possible time. of course he would. and i think that it's agatn— he would. and i think that it's agatn-tateur- he would. and i think that it's again, labour party. again, it's the labour party. mev-re— again, it's the labour party. tnev-re net— again, it's the labour party. they're not fit— again, it's the labour party. they're not fit for office. the tateur— they're not fit for office. the tateur rartv— they're not fit for office. the labour party have never been fit for labour party have never been fit ter etttee. — labour party have never been fit for office. they— labour party have never been fit for office. they want we've just ttseusset— for office. they want we've just discussed the _ for office. they want we've just discussed the taxes they want to revv— discussed the taxes they want to tevvlseneets. — discussed the taxes they want to levy i schools. we _ discussed the taxes they want to levy schools. we know that levy on schools. we know that tnev-ve— levy on schools. we know that they've _ border. they've got an open border eettev— they've got an open border. policy._discussing policy. we've been discussing ateut— policy. we've been discussing about discussing— policy. we've been discussing about discussing that and here we about discussing that and here tve-tnem— about discussing that and here vve-tnem ustng- about discussing that and here we them using you know, dog we have them using you know, dog vvntstte— we have them using you know, dog whistle politics,— we have them using you know, dog whistle politics, denigrating the reputation— whistle politics, denigrating the reputation of our prime mega...— the reputation of our prime minister, dragging it through the minister, dragging it through me mutt.— minister, dragging it through the mud. and,— minister, dragging it through the mud. and, dennis, i know veu-tt— the mud. and, dennis, i know veu-tt agree— the mud. and, dennis, i know you'll agree with— the mud. and, dennis, i know you'll agree with me on that vvttt— you'll agree with me on that vvttt veu— you'll agree with me on that one, will you, dennis ? you'll agree with me on that one, will you, dennis ? i“ one, will you, dennis? i mean, tne— one, will you, dennis? i mean, the tateur— one, will you, dennis? i mean, the labour party, they don't really need to be doing this things. far in things. they're so far ahead in the polls, would think that the polls, you would think that they focus on some they might try and focus on some of policies that were of the policies that were interested and try bring interested in and try and bring us that way. instead us to them that way. instead they're doing that. that would

be wonderful— they're doing that. that would be wonderfullrishi - cit “tcg that would be wonderful rishi sunak be wonderful if rishi sunak tttn-t— be wonderful if rishi sunak tttn-t-ant- be wonderful if rishi sunak- didn't-and-accusing didn't get up and start accusing tetr— didn't get up and start accusing tern—net— didn't get up and start accusing keir_ not prosecute. keir starmer of not prosecute eattng— keir starmer of not prosecute eattng remmv— keir starmer of not prosecute eattng jemmy-a- keir starmer of not prosecute eating jemmy a complete eating jemmy savile a complete eentemetttte— eating jemmy savile a complete contemptiblel_ eating jemmy savile a complete contemptible., an— eating jemmy savile a complete contemptible , an absolute contemptible lie, an absolute teur— contemptible lie, an absolute teur star— contemptible lie, an absolute four star rishi _ contemptible lie, an absolute four star rishi sunak said no. tens— four star rishi sunak said no. boris johnson,— four star rishi sunak said no. boris johnson, then sunak attaetet— boris johnson, then sunak attacked him. - boris johnson, then sunak attacked him. ““ attacked him. but boris johnson . no, no. but borisjohnson was . no, no. but boris johnson was referring to two wrongs don't make a right, though. dennis. i agree with you. i agree with you. but anyway. but anyway, i agree— you. but anyway. but anyway, i agree vettn— you. but anyway. but anyway, i agree with that. _ you. but anyway. but anyway, i agree with that. all- but anyway. but anyway, i agree with that. all the other forgive me, but anyway, even though it was boris johnson that said that the labour party castigated anybody who said things like that. so they're doing things like that. so they're tetng exactly— things like that. so they're doing exactly the- “tcgti c so they're doing exactly the same thing. tnat-s— doing exactly the same thing. tnat-s tne— doing exactly the same thing. that's the point. _ doing exactly the same thing. that's the point. iti; “ that's the point. sure. i mean, i that's the point. sure. i mean, tas— that's the point. sure. i mean, i was appalled. we've had this discussion, i think, earlier this week about suella braverman saying about gangs of saying talking about gangs of pakistani raping white pakistani men raping white white. notice a word, white engush white. notice a word, white english goes, let's not go into it again. now, you started it. i tntnt— it again. now, you started it. i tntnt tnts— it again. now, you started it. i mm mm ts— it again. now, you started it. i think this is this— it again. now, you started it. i think this is this is— c stcgs “ now, you started it. i think this is this is gutter terrtterv— think this is this is gutter terrtterv . — think this is this is gutter territory . we- think this is this is gutter territory . �*tivtti; think this is this is gutter territory . territory. we know it's not gutter territory. what was eating— gutter territory. what was eatttng eut— gutter territory. what was calling out was- gutter territory. what was calling out was a- cg what was calling out was a fear cg. what was calling out was a fear to ereseeute— calling out was a fear to prosecute people of pakistani taetgreunt— prosecute people of pakistani background for— prosecute people of pakistani background for fear of being

aeeuset— background for fear of being aeeuset et— background for fear of being accused of being racist. she was atsetutetv— accused of being racist. she was absolutely right— accused of being racist. she was absolutely right to _ accused of being racist. she was absolutely right to call it out. veure— absolutely right to call it out. veure atvvavs— absolutely right to call it out. you're always defending- absolutely right to call it out. you're always defending .- absolutely right to call it out. you're always defending. the words were very clear. pakistan any gags rape white english girls? no, no. that's not what she said, dennis. she said that tnev— she said, dennis. she said that tnev must— she said, dennis. she said that tnev must te— c z�*tti;’““ she said that they must be prosecuted without tear.— they must be prosecuted without tear. vvttneut— they must be prosecuted without fear, without favour, and that tne— fear, without favour, and that me tan— fear, without favour, and that the law enforcement agencies must— the law enforcement agencies must net— the law enforcement agencies must net te— the law enforcement agencies must not be cowed into not tattng— must not be cowed into not taking action— must not be cowed into not taking action for- must not be cowed into not taking action for fear of being aeeuset— taking action for fear of being aeeuset et— taking action for fear of being accused of being— taking action for fear of being accused of being racist . and i accused of being racist. and i eemetetetv— accused of being racist. and i completely agree— accused of being racist. and i completely agree with her. but mat-s— completely agree with her. but tnat-s ntv— completely agree with her. but that's why there— completely agree with her. but that's why there are— completely agree with her. but that's why there are plenty of pakistani men behind bars, not remotely the same number as white english men . that's the. white english men. that's the. she didn't mention them, did she? but but but here's the tntng— she? but but but here's the thing, dennis.— 7 but but but here's the thing, dennis. should we go back to thing, dennis. should we go back te gee.— thing, dennis. should we go back te sete et— thing, dennis. should we go back te sete et tne. — thing, dennis. should we go back to 86% of the. no,— thing, dennis. should we go back to 86% of the. \tilit thing, dennis. should we go back to 86% of the. \it thing, dennis. should we go back to 86% of the. \tilit to 86% of the. no, no, no, no. see.— to 86% of the. no, no, no, no. sete et— to 86% of the. no, no, no, no. sete et tne— to 86% of the. no, no, no, no. 86% of the population- to 86% of the. \tilit 86% of the population is white ant— 86% of the population is white ant tnere— 86% of the population is white and there are— 86% of the population is white and there are many fewer white reente— and there are many fewer white people, proportionately out of the people, proportionately out of me we — people, proportionately out of the white population that aetuattv— the white population that actually commit that crime. then tnere— actually commit that crime. then tnere are— actually commit that crime. then tnere trem — actually commit that crime. then there are from those communities tnat— there are from those communities tnat sne— there are from those communities tnat sne nas— there are from those communities that she was calling out. and veuve— that she was calling out. and veuve get— that she was calling out. and veuve get te— that she was calling out. and you've got to look at it. you've got— you've got to look at it. you've get te— you've got to look at it. you've get te nave— you've got to look at it. you've get te nave an— you've got to look at it. you've got to have an honest discussion , got to have an honest discussion . an tt— got to have an honest discussion . an tt tve-re— got to have an honest discussion . an tt getng— got to have an honest discussion , an if we're going to get a grip— , an if we're going to get a gen et—

, an if we're going to get a gen et tne— , an if we're going to get a grip of the problem and you're netting— grip of the problem and you're netttng veur— grip of the problem and you're holding your head in your hands. so holding your head in your hands. se tets— holding your head in your hands. se tet-s get— holding your head in your hands. so let's get back. _ holding your head in your hands. so let's get back. i cg“ so let's get back. all right. i come from an irish background. it's guys said about it's what you guys said about the what did the what did the irish. what did the what did i say about i know you didn't personally, the will personally, but the right will always a minority. always pick on a minority. i think it's 1.5 million think it's1.5 million pakistanis we have in britain contribute so much. but what's that got to do with the price of fish? i'm sorry. i don't fish? i'm sorry. idon't understand what price of price of fish. let's talk about let's talk about labour, shall we? and i think we should before we i'm very, happy. and very, very happy. and i condemned yesterday. straight condemned it yesterday. straight out twitter. don't like out on twitter. i don't like that gutter politics. don't that gutter politics. i don't like braverman's gutter politics. interesting politics. now the interesting thing really thing is, which i find really albie frightening. nana and ben , apparently this last did . , apparently this last did. advertisement has got 24 million hits already and it's a single fastest rising hit in the social media community because that is what we've done when we've got afised what we've done when we've got arised our politics. and just as agreed, i agree . and we go on

agreed, i agree. and we go on and on depicting people , and on depicting people, offering them up as gangs and rapists, offering up i mean, the vast majority of the people who arrive in this country claiming refuge. the home office says again and again have a well—founded case. no dennis, they entered the country they have entered the country illegally. you they have entered the country illegally . you conflate issues. illegally. you conflate issues. tne— illegally. you conflate issues. tne erettem— illegally. you conflate issues. the problem with— cg you conflate issues. the problem with the boats is not the problem with the boats is net tnat— the problem with the boats is net tnat tnev— the problem with the boats is not that they may or may not nave — not that they may or may not nave a— not that they may or may not have a legitimate asylum claim. it's have a legitimate asylum claim. tt-s-tnev-ve— have a legitimate asylum claim. it's-they've come- have a legitimate asylum claim. it's they've come from it's that they've come from a sate — it's that they've come from a sate eeuntrv— it's that they've come from a safe country illegally into our eeuntrv— safe country illegally into our eeuntrv .— safe country illegally into our eeuntrv . see.— safe country illegally into our country . see, that's the country. see, that's the erettem. — country. see, that's the problem. well look, if either you— problem. well look, if either veu aetuattv— problem. well look, if either you actually say— problem. well look, if either you actually say the jews have teen— you actually say the jews have been persecuted _ you actually say the jews have been persecuted or the people nave.— been persecuted or the people nave. ne— been persecuted or the people have, no one was— been persecuted or the people have, no one was persecuted, tnese— have, no one was persecuted, tnese eeeete— have, no one was persecuted, tnese eeeete tn. — have, no one was persecuted, these people in. s“cg these people in. hang on a mtnute. ne.— these people in. hang on a minute. no, we've- these people in. hang on a minute. no, we've got- these people in. s“cg no, we've got no, no, minute. no, we've got no, no, sten— minute. no, we've got no, no, step. step— minute. no, we've got no, no, step. step . — minute. no, we've got no, no, stop, stop . nobody's- minute. no, we've got no, no, stop, stop . nobody's talking stop, stop. nobody's talking about labour's attack . no, no, about labour's attack. no, no, no, no, no, stop. dennis , no, no, no, stop. dennis, tenetv-s— no, no, no, stop. dennis, nobody's talking- dennis, nobody's talking about jews and eerseeutten— nobody's talking about jews and persecution. we've— nobody's talking about jews and persecution. we've moved on from all persecution. we've moved on from at et— persecution. we've moved on from at et tnat. — persecution. we've moved on from all of that. we're— persecution. we've moved on from all of that. we're actually tatttng— all of that. we're actually talking about— all of that. we're actually talking about the labour tweet. so talking about the labour tweet. se tets— talking about the labour tweet. se tet-s get— talking about the labour tweet. so let's get back— talking about the labour tweet. so let's get back to the tweet. nett— so let's get back to the tweet. vrett. tets— so let's get back to the tweet. vrett. tets get— so let's get back to the tweet. well, let's get back— so let's get back to the tweet. well, let's get back to- so let's get back to the tweet. well, let's get back to that. i personally, as i say , deplore personally, as i say, deplore it. i think labour lacks the

touch of an alastair campbell, maybe a peter mandelson. don't forget that tony blair and george brown were fantastic hands on journalists. i'll never forget briefing tony with other people before prime minister's question time, before 1997, we sit in the office, his office just behind the speaker's chair, 11:00 looking at all the questions . he comes in and says, questions. he comes in and says, right , has questions. he comes in and says, right, has anyone questions. he comes in and says, right , has anyone checked that? right, has anyone checked that? have you seen what's running on sky? you see that thing that sky? do you see that thing that just broke an hour ago? he was like a news editor in my early days as a journalist, a real hands news chief. i don't hands on news chief. i don't think around, think there's anybody around, sir moment or he sir keir at the moment or he himself. you need himself. but you don't need someone . you need someone someone. you don't need someone vvttn— someone. you don't need someone in. .— someone. you don't need someone vvttn . veu— someone. you don't need someone vvttn . veu men.— someone. you don't need someone with , you know, media— you don't need someone with , you know, media experience with, you know, media experience to with, you know, media experience te eeentsge— with, you know, media experience te reeentsge gues— with, you know, media experience to recognise guys that actually tnat— to recognise guys that actually tnat tweet— to recognise guys that actually that tweet and _ to recognise guys that actually that tweet and that image of ttsnt— that tweet and that image of ttsnt-net— that tweet and that image of rishi not wanting to put rishi sunak not wanting to put in rishi sunak not wanting to put tn tatt— rishi sunak not wanting to put tn iatt ts— rishi sunak not wanting to put tn iatt ts rust— rishi sunak not wanting to put in jail is just wrong. you don't do in jail is just wrong. you don't te tt— in jail is just wrong. you don't te tt .— in jail is just wrong. you don't te tt . tt-s— in jail is just wrong. you don't te tt. tt-s rust— in jail is just wrong. you don't do it. it's just wrong. in jail is just wrong. you don't do it . it's just wrong. do it. it'sjust wrong. okay. i accept— do it. it'sjust wrong. okay. i aeeeet mat.— do it. it'sjust wrong. okay. i accept that. but equally, the next one, the point is we've got had a terrible 13 years on crime in this country starting with

theresa may taking 20,000 cops off the streets, going to move on. all right. listen because i want— on. all right. listen because i vvant te— on. all right. listen because i vvant te reat— on. all right. listen because i want to read some— t’ilit�* all right. listen because i want to read some of the messages that- want to read some of the messages that have come through. um en.— messages that have come through. um en. rm— messages that have come through. um en. t-m net— messages that have come through. um oh, i'm not going to read tnat— um oh, i'm not going to read tnat ene— um oh, i'm not going to read tnat eut— um oh, i'm not going to read that one out to— um oh, i'm not going to read that one out to you, dennis. rtease— that one out to you, dennis. rtease te. — that one out to you, dennis. please do. no,— that one out to you, dennis. please do. no, don't think please do. no, i don't think i sav— please do. no, i don't think i sav tnat— please do. no, i don't think i can say that on— please do. no, i don't think i can say that on tv. colin please do. no, i don't think i can say that on tv . colin says can say that on tv. colin says ttts— can say that on tv. colin says tnts. eettn— can say that on tv. colin says this. colin, thank— can say that on tv. colin says this. colin, thank you very much for this. colin, thank you very much ter veur— this. colin, thank you very much for your message.— this. colin, thank you very much for your message. he says if ertvate— for your message. he says if private schools— for your message. he says if private schools have charge private schools have to charge var— private schools have to charge var-mev— private schools have to charge vat _they would - private schools have to charge vat they would then be vat on fees, they would then be enttttet — vat on fees, they would then be enttttet te — vat on fees, they would then be entitled to claim _ vat on fees, they would then be entitled to claim their entitled to claim back their neut— entitled to claim back their input buildings, energy, input vat on buildings, energy, paper,— input vat on buildings, energy, eager-mattng- input vat on buildings, energy, paper, making another paper, etc. are making another nete— paper, etc. are making another neteltne— paper, etc. are making another hole ithe-labour- paper, etc. are making another. hole ithe-labour hopes hole in the amount labour hopes to hole in the amount labour hopes te—tt-s— hole in the amount labour hopes te—tt-s a- hole in the amount labour hopes te—tt-s a mess- to collect. i know it's a mess, tsn-t— to collect. i know it's a mess, tsn-tltnev— to collect. i know it's a mess, tsn-tltnev rust— to collect. i know it's a mess, isn't-they just-not. isn't it? they just have not tneugnt—atl isn't it? they just have noti thought—at all. isn't it? they just have not. thought—at all. it thought this through at all. it just— thought this through at all. it rust-gees— thought this through at all. it rust-geet. ant- thought this through at all. it just good. and then they just sounds good. and then they say just sounds good. and then they sav tt— just sounds good. and then they sav tt eut— just sounds good. and then they say tt eut teut— just sounds good. and then they say it out loud and— just sounds good. and then they say it out loud and then eveenerv— say it out loud and then everyone working say it out loud and then everyone _working out. everyone starts working it out. oh— everyone starts working it out. on. nang— everyone starts working it out. on. nang — everyone starts working it out. oh, hang on. somebody s oh, hang on. somebody > but the parents— oh, hang on. somebody > but the parents ute— oh, hang on. somebody > but the parents who pay fees can't parents who pay the fees can't reclaim valley. that's reclaim the valley. that's right. -parents- reclaim the valley. that's- right. -parents-claim, right. the parents can't claim, tut— right. the parents can't claim, tut-seneets— right. the parents can't claim, but-schools-thesel but the schools can. so these are-geet— but the schools can. so these are good arguments. yeah, are all good arguments. yeah, exaettv. — are all good arguments. yeah, exaettv. -done-- are all good arguments. yeah,j exactly. - done. _you exactly. well done. thank you for exactly. well done. thank you ten-rm— exactly. well done. thank youj for-i'm-pointed for that. i'm glad you pointed it for that. i'm glad you pointed tt-ten-t— for that. i'm glad you pointed it-don't think- for that. i'm glad you pointed it don't think keir it out. i don't think keir stamen— it out. i don't think keir starmer was— it out. i don't think keir starmer was thought of that. so vvett— starmer was thought of that. so vvett tene— starmer was thought of that. so vvett tene ter— starmer was thought of that. so well done for mentioning it to mm.— well done for mentioning it to ntmlnang— well done for mentioning it to ntmlnang en— well done for mentioning it to him. hang on. dennis him. oh, hang on. dennis tresnane-s— him. oh, hang on. dennis mcshane's, great advert as to mcshane's, a great advert as to new—age— mcshane's, a great advert as to how—age should- mcshane's, a great advert as to how age should not how retirement age should not rise—retirement.- how retirement age should not rise. retirement. age rise. oh, i want retirement. age sneuttn-t— rise. oh, i want retirement. age shouldn't rise— rise. oh, i want retirement. age shouldn't rise ._ rise. oh, i want retirement. age shouldn't rise . thank shouldn't rise. thank you,

margaret— shouldn't rise. thank you, trargaret .— shouldn't rise. thank you, trargaret . — shouldn't rise. thank you, margaret. i'm- shouldn't rise. thank you, margaret. c shouldn't rise. thank you,- margaret . i'm pleased not to be margaret. i'm pleased not to be included in that . oh, lovely. included in that. oh, lovely. well included in that. oh, lovely. vvett tets— included in that. oh, lovely. well let's keep— included in that. oh, lovely. well let's keep going.- icc “ oh, lovely. well let's keep going. let's move on. let's— well let's keep going. let's move on. let's discuss the next one, because this— move on. let's discuss the next one, because this topic really got— one, because this topic really got mv— one, because this topic really get me geat— one, because this topic really got my goat yesterday. i did a menetegue— got my goat yesterday. i did a menetegue en— got my goat yesterday. i did a monologue on it— got my goat yesterday. i did a monologue on it because it's atsetutetv— monologue on it because it's absolutely furious monologue on it because it's. absolutely furious-do absolutely furious because i do not absolutely furious because i do netsee-— absolutely furious because i do not see women being not like to see women being etttteratet— not like to see women being obliterated and— not like to see women being obliterated and in their place, tetng— obliterated and in their place, tetng eut— obliterated and in their place, men being put in— obliterated and in their place, men being put in things that are seeettteattv— men being put in things that are specifically and— men being put in things that are specifically and solely something _ specifically and solely something that a woman would specifically and solely somilike g that a woman would specifically and solely somilike a that a woman would specifically and solely somilike a bra. a woman would specifically and solely somilike a bra. and)man would specifically and solely somilike a bra. and ifian would specifically and solely somilike a bra. and if you vould specifically and solely somilike a bra. and if you sawj use, like a bra. and if you saw it use, like a bra. and if you saw tt-etner— use, like a bra. and if you saw tt-etner tav— use, like a bra. and if you saw it-other day, you'd- use, like a bra. and if you saw it other day, you'd have it the other day, you'd have. eenvvea—tng seen the trans athlete wearing a bra r— seen the trans athlete wearing a tea . metetttng— seen the trans athlete wearing a bra , modelling a— seen the trans athlete wearing a bra , modelling a bra from nike bra, modelling a bra from nike ant— bra, modelling a bra from nike ant tetng— bra, modelling a bra from nike and doing some— bra, modelling a bra from nike and doing some exercise and so on and doing some exercise and so en ant— and doing some exercise and so en ant se— and doing some exercise and so en ant se tenn— and doing some exercise and so on and so forth. and basically earetvtng— on and so forth. and basically parodying caricaturing a woman, vvnten— parodying caricaturing a woman, vvnten ts— parodying caricaturing a woman, vvnten ts rust— parodying caricaturing a woman, vvnten ts just a— parodying caricaturing a woman, which is just a bit— parodying caricaturing a woman, which is just a bit irritating . which is just a bit irritating. trans— which is just a bit irritating. trans athlete— which is just a bit irritating. trans athlete caitlyn jenner stammet— trans athlete caitlyn jenner slammed nike— trans athlete caitlyn jenner slammed nike following the eeatse— slammed nike following the eeatse et— slammed nike following the release of the— slammed nike following the release of the sponsored tiktok, vvnten— release of the sponsored tiktok, which features— release of the sponsored tiktok, which features dylan mulvaney is the which features dylan mulvaney is me name— which features dylan mulvaney is me et— which features dylan mulvaney is the name of the— which features dylan mulvaney is the name of the trans influencer she the name of the trans influencer sne teet— the name of the trans influencer sne teet te— the name of the trans influencer she took to twitter,— the name of the trans influencer she took to twitter, saying, it is she took to twitter, saying, it ts a— she took to twitter, saying, it ts a sname— she took to twitter, saying, it is a shame to— she took to twitter, saying, it is a shame to see— she took to twitter, saying, it is a shame to see such an iconic amertean— is a shame to see such an iconic nmenean eemeanv— is a shame to see such an iconic american company go so woke we can american company go so woke we te— american company go so woke we can be inclusive,— american company go so woke we can be inclusive, but— american company go so woke we can be inclusive, but not at the expense— can be inclusive, but not at the expense et— can be inclusive, but not at the expese et tne— can be inclusive, but not at the expense of the mass majority of peepte— expense of the mass majority of peepte. ant— expense of the mass majority of people. and have— expense of the mass majority of people. and have some decency vvnttst— people. and have some decency vvnttst tetng— people. and have some decency whilst being inclusive. this is an eutrage—

whilst being inclusive. this is an eutrage. se— whilst being inclusive. this is an outrage. so are we heading tenants— an outrage. so are we heading tevvarts a— an outrage. so are we heading towards a future— an outrage. so are we heading towards a future where all major brands— towards a future where all major trants vtrtue— towards a future where all major brands virtue signal for marketing?— brands virtue signal for marketing? i- brands virtue signal for marketing? i think they've been tetng— marketing? i think they've been tetng tnat— marketing? i think they've been tetng mat ter— marketing? i think they've been doing that for a— marketing? i think they've been doing that for a long time, but maybe— doing that for a long time, but mavte tnev-ve— doing that for a long time, but maybe they've signalled too far. tets— maybe they've signalled too far. tet-s start— maybe they've signalled too far. let's start with— maybe they've signalled too far. let's start with denis macshane ant— let's start with denis macshane ant-venat— let's start with denis macshane and _what.thinks- and find out what he thinks ateut— and find out what he thinks ateutlvvett— and find out what he thinks about well went to see a about it. well i went to see a tevetv— about it. well i went to see a tevetv tttm — about it. well i went to see a lovely film on _ about it. well i went to see a lovely film on friday called rye tame.— lovely film on friday called rye lane,-recommend- lovely film on friday called rye lane, recommend to lane, strongly recommend to anvtetv. — lane, strongly recommend to anybody. ti.tit “ ic7’ lane, strongly recommend to- anybody. _connected? yeah anybody. is this connected? yeah because i talked to young woman the next day who was out with me canvassing who is in fashion, and she'd gone to see that film with ben affleck about nike hiring michael jordan and taking a punt in the early 1980s on their air shoe. i've run marathons, but i don't really know much about shoes, and they zoomed thanks to that combination of air. nike and nike. it's pronounced nike. it's the greek word for victory. and they what this is about, i don't quite get but i must say either nike have got a nose for where the money will be, in which case it's a great success or they're going to come a real cropper. i

not passionate enough to denounce. i mean, if people don't want to wear a brand. okay. can i ask you a question then, dennis? what is a woman? a woman? what is a woman? well, you're a woman, which is what? well, my two daughters. a woman. which is what? if you could tesertte— which is what? if you could describe _what. which is what? if you could- describe _what would you describe a woman? what would you save— describe a woman? what would you save-a— describe a woman? what would you save-a-starmer- say? don't do a keir starmer anas— say? don't do a keir starmer nnas sarvvar— say? don't do a keir starmer anas sarwar are. �*tivt�*ticc say? don't do a keir starmer anas sarwar are. i“ anas sarwar are. well, i mean, it's, you know , define defined it's, you know, define defined by what she has and hasn't got when she's born in her with her body, if you like. what is a woman? her biological sex is a woman. have a mean- 7 her biological sex is a woman. have a mean no, thank god for woman. have a mean no, thank god ter tnat. — woman. have a mean no, thank god ter tnat. teat.— woman. have a mean no, thank god for that. yeah, absolutely- for that. yeah, absolutely right. go there. in the for that. “tits “ .till.gt i cg“. go there. in the end right. go there. in the end tnat-s— right. go there. in the end tnat-s unat— right. go there. in the end that's what that- i cg“. go there. in the end that's what that what you wanted me te— that's what that what you wanted me te sav. — that's what that what you wanted me te sav. mett— that's what that what you wanted me to say. well, i— that's what that what you wanted me to say. rnli.. that's what that what you wanted me to say. �*tivtti.. c me to say. well, i just wanted to know whether you knew what one was. well, you've got your cue cards there. _ one was. well, you've got your cue cards there. i— well, you've got your cue cards there. i haven't. i'm net— cue cards there. i haven't. i'm net tetng— cue cards there. i haven't. i'm not being that. _ cue cards there. i haven't. i'm not being that. i'm just asking you— not being that. i'm just asking veu guesttens— not being that. i'm just asking you questions. no, i genuinely. i you questions. no, i genuinely. t mean— you questions. no, i genuinely. t et— you questions. no, i genuinely. i mean, some of it. look like my entttren— i mean, some of it. look like my children come— i mean, some of it. look like my children come-me— i mean, some of it. look like my children come-me in- i mean, some of it. look like my children come me in their children come to me in their tate— children come to me in their rate-ant— children come to me in their late-and said,- children come to me in their late and said, son, late teens and said, son, taugnters— late teens and said, son, taugnters ,— late teens and said, son, daughters , daddy, think daughters, daddy, i really think i'm daughters, daddy, i really think t-m a— daughters, daddy, i really think t-m a man— daughters, daddy, i really think i'm a man or daddy. i really tntnt— i'm a man or daddy. i really tntnt rm— i'm a man or daddy. i really tntnt t-m a— i'm a man or daddy. i really think i'm a woman. well, i would nave— think i'm a woman. well, i would nave trtet— think i'm a woman. well, i would nave trtet te— think i'm a woman. well, i would have tried to handle as

have tried to handle it as genttv— have tried to handle it as genttv as— have tried to handle it as gently as possible it seems gently as possible. it seems to nave— gently as possible. it seems to nave-grattet— gently as possible. it seems to have-grabbed by- gently as possible. it seems to have grabbed by absolute have been grabbed by absolute tanattes— have been grabbed by absolute tanattes une— have been grabbed by absolute fanatics who are— have been grabbed by absolute fanatics who are hustling people off fanatics who are hustling people ett a— fanatics who are hustling people ett a stage.— fanatics who are hustling people ett a stage. tt— fanatics who are hustling people off a stage. if they— fanatics who are hustling people off a stage. if they make your pent.— off a stage. if they make your petnt. vvnten— off a stage. if they make your point, which is— off a stage. if they make your point, which is absolutely vvreng — point, which is absolutely vvreng t— point, which is absolutely wrong. i mean,- point, which is absolutely wrong. i mean, you've not got eemmunsts— wrong. i mean, you've not got eermnunsts er— wrong. i mean, you've not got communists or trotskyist or raetsts— communists or trotskyist or racists making— communists or trotskyist or racists making any of the noises at tnese— racists making any of the noises at tnese tavs— racists making any of the noises at these days. it— racists making any of the noises at these days. it seems to be trans— at these days. it seems to be trans trans— at these days. it seems to be trans trans people, nike have taken— trans trans people, nike have taken a— trans trans people, nike have taken a punt— trans trans people, nike have taken a punt on— trans trans people, nike have taken a punt on this . is there taken a punt on this. is there a grant— taken a punt on this. is there a gtant vete— taken a punt on this. is there a giant woke athletic shoe order or giant woke athletic shoe order er tras— giant woke athletic shoe order er ttas sntp— giant woke athletic shoe order or bias ship out— giant woke athletic shoe order or bias ship out there or the setttng— or bias ship out there or the selling bras? _ or bias ship out there or the selling bras? but- or bias ship out there or the selling bras? but but. but she hasn't got any breasts. she hasn't got any breasts. she hasn't got. well, she hasn't got any breasts. she's selling bras. i think caitlyn jenner is absolutely— i think caitlyn jenner is absolutely call this right . this absolutely call this right. this is absolutely call this right. this ts tne— absolutely call this right. this is the ultimate— absolutely call this right. this is the ultimate in— absolutely call this right. this is the ultimate in woke , if you is the ultimate in woke, if you ttte— is the ultimate in woke, if you ttte .— is the ultimate in woke, if you ttte . nnt— is the ultimate in woke, if you like . and let's— is the ultimate in woke, if you like . and let's just define woke like. and let's just define woke . veu— like. and let's just define woke . veu tnevv— like. and let's just define woke . you know it's— like. and let's just define woke . you know it's the— like. and let's just define woke . you know it's the ostensible premetten— . you know it's the ostensible premetten et— . you know it's the ostensible promotion of minorities at the exeusten— promotion of minorities at the exclusion and— promotion of minorities at the exclusion and often to the tetrtment— exclusion and often to the detriment of _ exclusion and often to the detriment of the majority. and transgenter. — detriment of the majority. and transgender. there are any guarter— transgender. there are any guarter et— transgender. there are any guaner et a— transgender. there are any quarter of a million transgender peepte— quarter of a million transgender peepte tn— quarter of a million transgender peepte tn tne— quarter of a million transgender people in the united kingdom vvttneut— people in the united kingdom without wishing— people in the united kingdom without wishing to diminish

tnem— without wishing to diminish tnetr rtgnts. — without wishing to diminish their rights. and they're perteettv— their rights. and they're perfectly entitled to be transgender— perfectly entitled to be transgender and obviously have ttves— transgender and obviously have lives completely— transgender and obviously have lives completely unprejudiced agatnst— lives completely unprejudiced agatnsttnem— lives completely unprejudiced against them as— lives completely unprejudiced against them as a result of mere— against them as a result of men gentee— against them as a result of their gender identity. but what tnev— their gender identity. but what tnev mustn-t— their gender identity. but what they mustn't be— their gender identity. but what they mustn't be doing is premettng— they mustn't be doing is promoting those interests to the tetrtment— promoting those interests to the tetrtment et— promoting those interests to the detriment of women, but also to the detriment— detriment of women, but also to the detriment of— detriment of women, but also to the detriment of pure common seetetv— the detriment of pure common sense society and— the detriment of pure common sense society and common sense ant— sense society and common sense ant tegte— sense society and common sense ant tegte ant— sense society and common sense and logic and reality. absolutely. _ and logic and reality. absolutely. and- and logic and reality. ' .till.gt and i mean, like, absolutely. and i mean, like, teen— absolutely. and i mean, like, teet. tnts— absolutely. and i mean, like, look, this person— absolutely. and i mean, like, look, this person is- ' .till.gt and i mean, like, look, this person is not a woman. and— look, this person is not a woman. '“c woman. and that's a really important. no, no. that's a reattv— important. no, no. that's a really important— no, no. that's a really important point. i can i just— really important point. i can i just sav— really important point. i can i just sav t— really important point. i can i just say t rust— really important point. i can i just say i just want to say one tntng. — just say i just want to say one tntng. tene— just say i just want to say one tntng. uene et— just say i just want to say one thing. none of that's really tmpertant— thing. none of that's really important point because we're tavtng— important point because we're navtng eu— important point because we're having our speech undermined by that having our speech undermined by tnat ttne— having our speech undermined by tnat ttne et— having our speech undermined by that kind of thing.— having our speech undermined by that kind of thing. we're making a nonsense-reality.- that kind of thing. we're making a nonsense reality. and if a a nonsense of reality. and if a natten— a nonsense of reality. and if a nation—think- nation can't actually think stratgtt— nation can't actually think straight, becomes very straight, it becomes very vulnerable— straight, it becomes very vulnerable nation in all other respeets. — vulnerable nation in all other respects. who— vulnerable nation in all other respects. who is— vulnerable nation in all other respects. who is the i love covering these roads because there's discussions and people have opponents. ben always has an opponent in his mind. it's not always me sometimes, but who is the opponent ? is it like is the opponent? is it like dennis? is it nike that we should be criticising? we're saying nike should be banned

from ad or i don't i don't think anyone should be banned. but what i'm saying is that- what i'm saying is that there are-brilliant- what i'm saying is that there are brilliant female are many brilliant female atntetes— are many brilliant female- athletes—easily athletes who could have easily tene— athletes who could have easily done _championl athletes who could have easilyi done _champion , done this campaign champion, women's women's sport women's athlete, women's sport ant— women's athlete, women's sport and championing— women's athlete, women's sport and championing women's products . i and championing women's products . t mean— and championing women's products . t tnts— and championing women's products . i mean, this person— and championing women's products . i mean, this person is even premetet— . i mean, this person is even promoted tampax. i mean, you knew— promoted tampax. i mean, you tnevv ,— promoted tampax. i mean, you tnevv . ant— promoted tampax. i mean, you tnevv . ant veu— promoted tampax. i mean, you know , and you not have a period know, and you not have a period ant— know, and you not have a period ant nvtan— know, and you not have a period and dylan hasn't— know, and you not have a period and dylan hasn't in— know, and you not have a period and dylan hasn't in delusion. dylan— and dylan hasn't in delusion. pvtan nasn-t— and dylan hasn't in delusion. dylan hasn't completely- dylan hasn't completely transgendered. no so, you know, he's got all the parts of a man, he's got all the parts of a man, he's got all the parts of a man, he's got the part. but why are you he's got the part. but why are veu tangtng— he's got the part. but why are veu tangtng en— he's got the part. but why are you banging on about- cgtit. but why are you banging on about this silly strete— you banging on about this silly man stroke woman or why do we eatt— man stroke woman or why do we eau-nevu— man stroke woman or why do we eatt-nevv unen— man stroke woman or why do we call-now when it's- man stroke woman or why do we call now when it's nike, call them now when it's nike, utte— call them now when it's nike, pie-,— call them now when it's nike, npp.-, utte— call them now when it's nike, nike , nike advertising nike bosses, nike advertising exeeutves— executives saying that's why veure— executives saying that's why you're businessman . \it you're a businessman. no, i areeg— you're a businessman. no, i areeg t— you're a businessman. no, i areeg t areeg t— you're a businessman. no, i agree. i agree. i was- you're a businessman. \it titcgititi; titcgititi; i was pointing agree. i agree. i was pointing out agree. i agree. i was pointing eut tnat— agree. i agree. i was pointing out that nike— agree. i agree. i was pointing out that nike has— titcgititi; titcgititi; i was pointing out that nike has turned woke. nnt— out that nike has turned woke. ant venat— out that nike has turned woke. and what what— out that nike has turned woke. and what what is— out that nike has turned woke. and what what is the worry about this and what what is the worry about tnts ts— and what what is the worry about tnts ts tnat— and what what is the worry about this is that they— and what what is the worry about this is that they are— and what what is the worry about this is that they are parting vvavs— this is that they are parting vvavs vvttn— this is that they are parting ways with the _ this is that they are parting ways with the truth and they are teretng — ways with the truth and they are forcing literally— ways with the truth and they are forcing literally a— ways with the truth and they are forcing literally a narrative tnat— forcing literally a narrative tnat t— forcing literally a narrative tnat t am— forcing literally a narrative that i am not— forcing literally a narrative that i am not comfortable with. tm— that i am not comfortable with. t-m net— that i am not comfortable with. i'm not comfortable with being tereet— i'm not comfortable with being tereet te— i'm not comfortable with being forced to accept— i'm not comfortable with being forced to accept this because i ten-t— forced to accept this because i ten-t tntnt— forced to accept this because i don't think we're— forced to accept this because i don't think we're being asked to aeeept— don't think we're being asked to aeeept tne— don't think we're being asked to accept the ludicrous . and if accept the ludicrous. and if i say— accept the ludicrous. and if i say semetntng— accept the ludicrous. and if i say something, i'm going to be eattet— say something, i'm going to be eattet ean— say something, i'm going to be eattet t— say something, i'm going to be called can i agree— say something, i'm going to be called can i agree i'm going to be called can i agree i'm going to te eattet— called can i agree i'm going to

be called transphobic, i'm going to be called transphobic, i'm going te-sene— be called transphobic, i'm going te-seme sen- be called transphobic, i'm going to-some sort of. - to be called some sort of. wett— to be called some sort of. vrett. vva-re— to be called some sort of. well, we're-i'm- to be called some sort of. well, we're-i'm not. to be called some sort of. well, we're i'm not calling well, we're not i'm not calling you not know, they'll you that. not you know, they'll be. on a second. be. but hang on a second. i mean, we seem to think that all you have to do slap the you have to do is slap the label, woke on anything you don't i mean, think. no, don't like. i mean, i think. no, no, chelsea chelsea. i watch no, no. chelsea chelsea. i watch chelsea on tuesday and a minority sport. watch chelsea minority sport. i watch chelsea on tuesday and again yesterday. they i'm going to they keep losing. i'm going to start them wokes. i want start calling them wokes. i want to really insult them and get up there. no, they keep there. no, no, no. they keep using this word as a all using this word as a catch. all right wing sort of insult. it's not. did define it. there's a not. he did define it. there's a very etea— not. he did define it. there's a very clear definition— not. he did define it. there's a very clear definition of- not. ti; c c cti; . there's a very clear definition of woke, unten— very clear definition of woke, which-ostensibly- very clear definition of woke, which ostensibly albie which is ostensibly albie premettng— which is ostensibly albie promoting the. wig promoting the. that's a very different it's not that's how it is in the 1930. and it's preetsetv— is in the 1930. and it's precisely how- is in the 1930. and it's precisely how it's- i“ 00 and it's precisely how it's from the ttaet— precisely how it's from the ttaet ant— precisely how it's from the black and actually what it's tetng— black and actually what it's tetng uset— black and actually what it's being used for— black and actually what it's being used for in its broader eentext— being used for in its broader eentext ,— being used for in its broader context , other— being used for in its broader context , other than just context, other than just transgender,— context, other than just transgender, is to inculcate ttvtsten— transgender, is to inculcate division. it's— transgender, is to inculcate division. it's not- transgender, is to inculcate division. it's not about inclusion— division. it's not about inclusion ._ division. it's not about inclusion . it's about inclusion. it's about identifying- inclusion. it's about identifying minorities , identifying minorities, premettng— identifying minorities, promoting them above and beyond . ant— promoting them above and beyond . ant te— promoting them above and beyond . ant te tne— promoting them above and beyond , and to the detriment of the mat-ente— , and to the detriment of the mat-entv tnat— , and to the detriment of the majority that is— , and to the detriment of the majority that is not inclusion. tnat— majority that is not inclusion. tnat ts— majority that is not inclusion. that is division— majority that is not inclusion. that is division ._ majority that is not inclusion. that is division . and that's that is division. and that's unat— that is division. and that's vvnat tnts— that is division. and that's what this woke— that is division. and that's what this woke culture is about.

it's what this woke culture is about. tt-s ateut— what this woke culture is about. it's about division.— what this woke culture is about. it's about division. blm is not ateut— it's about division. blm is not ateut att— it's about division. blm is not about all people— it's about division. blm is not about all people being equal. it's about all people being equal. tt-s ateut— about all people being equal. it's about promoting black peepte— it's about promoting black peepte te— it's about promoting black peepte te tne— it's about promoting black people to the detriment of the treate— people to the detriment of the broader population . it's broader population. it's inculcating_ broader population. it's inculcating division . / c e�*gt inculcating division. yesterday inculcating division. yesterday tn tenden— inculcating division. yesterday in london, it was a debate out of between james baldwin, the great american writer, george buckley, the great american conservative. and it was exactly on that issue. and baldwin said, we are not yet free because we don't have rights. he said, you will be free one day and stop moaning and i think i if you want to emancipate people, perhaps you have to go down there. i don't ella whelan emancipation. by the way, the nike decision, i mean, it's just a cheap shot . like labour's a cheap shot. like labour's attack ad we are crying about it. it's getting huge publicity for them. clever boys. well, listen, i've got a message here from cheryl. cheryl says, every ttme— from cheryl. cheryl says, every ttne-en— from cheryl. cheryl says, every time _on . news, - from cheryl. cheryl says, every time _on-news, nana. from cheryl. cheryl says, every. time _on-news, nana akua time i put on gb news, nana akua is time i put on gb news, nana akua ts tattng— time i put on gb news, nana akua ts tattng tne— time i put on gb news, nana akua ts tattng tne-et— time i put on gb news, nana akua is taking the -of the— time i put on gb news, nana akua is taking the of the labour is taking the out of the labour guy— is taking the out of the labour guy ant— is taking the out of the labour guy and laughing his face. guy and laughing in his face. no.— guy and laughing in his face. we r— guy and laughing in his face. we r tntnt— guy and laughing in his face. no, i think it's— guy and laughing in his face. no, i think it's not just me. i tntnt— no, i think it's not just me. i think everyone's_ no, i think it's not just me. i think everyone's laughing. it's not think everyone's laughing. it's net rust— think everyone's laughing. it's net just me— think everyone's laughing. it's not just me, cheryl, because ne-s— not just me, cheryl, because ne-s savtng— not just me, cheryl, because he's saying some— not just me, cheryl, because he's saying some nonsense. enervt— he's saying some nonsense. enervt ant— he's saying some nonsense. enervt ant t— he's saying some nonsense. cheryl and i have laugh .

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joining me today is author and broa be brought casteriamilton joining me today is author and broa be brought caster andlton will be brought caster and ieurnattst— will be brought caster and journalist danny kelly. before we get— journalist danny kelly. before we get started.— journalist danny kelly. before we get started, let's get your tatest— we get started, let's get your tatest neus— we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . nana. latest news headlines. nana. mant— latest news headlines. nana. ttant veu. — latest news headlines. nana. thank you. good— latest news headlines. nana. thank you. good afternoon. it's just gone 4:00. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom patients face unparalleled levels of disruption when junior doctors start a four day strike on tuesday . that's the warning from tuesday. that's the warning from nhs national medical director professor stephen powis . as he professor stephen powis. as he says he's very concerned . and says he's very concerned. and with hospitals facing nearly 100 hours without up to half of their medical workforce, the nhs confederation says a quarter of a million appointments could be postponed . a police postponed. a police investigating the snp's finances have reportedly seized a luxury motorhome, according to the mail. on sunday, the nisman bychkov motorhome, which can sell for around £110,000, was removed from a house in fife . it

removed from a house in fife. it was taken at the same time police searched the home of nicola sturgeon and her husband, peter murrell, earlier this week, the leader of the scottish conservative party, douglas ross , told us people need answers . , told us people need answers. it's now been going on for, i mtne.— it's now been going on for, i print, rs— it's now been going on for, i think, 18 months, almost two eeas— think, 18 months, almost two veas tt-s— think, 18 months, almost two years. it's been— think, 18 months, almost two years. it's been an extensive tngutrv— years. it's been an extensive tngutrv ant— years. it's been an extensive tngutrv ant vve— years. it's been an extensive inquiry and we saw that peter trurrett— inquiry and we saw that peter trurrett nas— inquiry and we saw that peter murrell was interviewed for atmest— murrell was interviewed for atmest a— murrell was interviewed for almost a maximum 12 hours, reteaset— almost a maximum 12 hours, released without— almost a maximum 12 hours, released without charge, but penttng— released without charge, but pending further— released without charge, but pending further investing , pending further investing, etueatten— pending further investing, education and— pending further investing, education and a significant meunt— education and a significant meunt et— education and a significant amount of evidence taken away trem— amount of evidence taken away trem tetn — amount of evidence taken away from both their— amount of evidence taken away from both their home and snp neatguarters— from both their home and snp neatguarters .— from both their home and snp headquarters . so— from both their home and snp headquarters. so i think people want— headquarters. so i think people want answers and— headquarters. so i think people want answers and those answers nave— want answers and those answers nave te— want answers and those answers nave te eeme— want answers and those answers have to come from _ want answers and those answers have to come from nicola sturgeen— have to come from nicola sturgeon from _ have to come from nicola sturgeon from humza yousaf and tnese— sturgeon from humza yousaf and tnese at— sturgeon from humza yousaf and tnese at tne— sturgeon from humza yousaf and those at the top— sturgeon from humza yousaf and those at the top of— sturgeon from humza yousaf and those at the top of the snp . the those at the top of the snp. the metner— those at the top of the snp. the metner et— those at the top of the snp. the mother of olivia— those at the top of the snp. the mother of olivia pratt—korbel nas— mother of olivia pratt—korbel nas tett — mother of olivia pratt—korbel nas tett tne — mother of olivia pratt—korbel has told the sunday mirror the tavt— has told the sunday mirror the tavv sneutt— has told the sunday mirror the law should be— has told the sunday mirror the law should be changed to force all criminals— law should be changed to force all criminals to— law should be changed to force all criminals to attend their sentenetng— all criminals to attend their sentenetng. — all criminals to attend their sentencing . c702. all criminals to attend their sentencing . orig. : sentencing. cheryl caldwell has spoken out after her daughter's killer, thomas cashman, refused to appear in the dock as he was jailed for a minimum of 42 years. justice secretary dominic

raab says he is planning to change the law . a new survey change the law. a new survey suggests more than 1 in 10 teachers have been physically assaulted by a pupil in the last yeah assaulted by a pupil in the last year. the teachers union says they've been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whilst more than 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse from a parent or carer. the findings have been released dunng the findings have been released during the union's annual conference in glasgow today. delegates will vote on a motion which suggests assaults are seen as a normal part of teaching in too many schools . the government too many schools. the government is expected to crack down on the illegal sale of e—cigarettes to children with a new illicit vape in enforcement squad. the department of health and social care says task forces will carry out test purchasing at shops. it will also share intelligence with local authorities . the with local authorities. the squads will also have the power to remove illegal products from shops and at borders as

thousands of expectant mothers are set to receive a maternity allowance boost of 10.1. the increase will see payments go up by £15.82 a week. it equates to around £617 over the 39 weeks it can be claimed . the department can be claimed. the department of work and pensions says the automatic increase will benefit around 40,000 parents this year , up around 40,000 parents this year , up to ten people are believed to be trapped under the rubble after two residential buildings have collapsed in marseille . have collapsed in marseille. france's interior minister says an explosion caused the incident , sparking a fire that complicate rescue efforts. five people have been taken to hospital with serious injuries . hospital with serious injuries. residents of 30 other buildings have also been evacuated . have also been evacuated. president emmanuel macron has tweeted that his thoughts are with marseille . china's military with marseille. china's military has carried out simulated precision precision strikes on taiwan. that's according to the

country's state broadcaster . country's state broadcaster. cctv says forces continue to encircle the island as part of three days of military drills focussed on the disputed territory . forces have territory. forces have reportedly been focusing on key targets on land and in surrounding waters . taiwan's surrounding waters. taiwan's defence ministry has also reported multiple air force sorties . the king and queen sorties. the king and queen consort and other senior royals have attended an easter church service at windsor castle. it was held at saint george's chapel and was the first of charles's reign . the occasion charles's reign. the occasion falls on the second anniversary of prince philip's death. both he and the late queen are interred in the grounds of the 15th century chapel . you're up 15th century chapel. you're up to date on gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now let's get back to nana .

let's get back to nana. good afternoon . it's fast good afternoon. it's fast appreaentng.— good afternoon. it's fast approaching. six- .c it's fast approaching. six minutes after tree.— approaching. six minutes after moo. tnts— approaching. six minutes after moo. tnts ts— approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb— approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv enttne— 4:00. this is gb news on tv enttne ant— 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on— 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio . the online and on digital radio. the no online and on digital radio. the ne netp— online and on digital radio. the no help service— online and on digital radio. the no help service is— online and on digital radio. the no help service is the nhs on tuestav— no help service is the nhs on tuestav. ever— no help service is the nhs on tuesday. over 47,000 junior teeters— tuesday. over 47,000 junior teeters pretty— tuesday. over 47,000 junior doctors pretty much half the nhs metteat— doctors pretty much half the nhs medical workforce— doctors pretty much half the nhs medical workforce are planning to medical workforce are planning te watt— medical workforce are planning te vvatt eut— medical workforce are planning to walk out for— medical workforce are planning to walk out for four days in a ant— to walk out for four days in a ant tne— to walk out for four days in a row and the dates have been seteetet— row and the dates have been seteetet by— row and the dates have been selected by the _ row and the dates have been selected by the british medical asseetatten— selected by the british medical asseetatten ,— selected by the british medical association , or— selected by the british medical association , or the bma, which association, or the bma, which is association, or the bma, which ts tne— association, or the bma, which is the doctor's— association, or the bma, which is the doctor's trade union. and ttreettv— is the doctor's trade union. and ttreettv arter— is the doctor's trade union. and directly after the— is the doctor's trade union. and directly after the easter bank netttav— directly after the easter bank netttav te— directly after the easter bank holiday to cause— directly after the easter bank holiday to cause maximum harm . holiday to cause maximum harm. i'm holiday to cause maximum harm. t-m verv— holiday to cause maximum harm. rm verv eartng— holiday to cause maximum harm. i'm very caring. now they're asttng— i'm very caring. now they're asttng ter— i'm very caring. now they're asttng ter a— i'm very caring. now they're asking for a 35%_ i'm very caring. now they're asking for a 35% pay rise. it's astentsntng— asking for a 35% pay rise. it's astentsntng ,— asking for a 35% pay rise. it's astonishing , really. and astonishing, really. and aetuattv— astonishing, really. and actually that- astonishing, really. and actually that an institution tnat— actually that an institution tnat ts— actually that an institution that is doing— actually that an institution that is doing a— actually that an institution that is doing a job so badly can nave— that is doing a job so badly can nave tne— that is doing a job so badly can have the nerve— that is doing a job so badly can have the nerve to— that is doing a job so badly can have the nerve to ask for so muen— have the nerve to ask for so much more money. a totally unreattstte— much more money. a totally unrealistic amount which would tttetv— unrealistic amount which would tttetv sptte— unrealistic amount which would likely spike inflation. and in the likely spike inflation. and in tne ent.— likely spike inflation. and in tne ent. tt— likely spike inflation. and in the end, if the— likely spike inflation. and in the end, if the demands are met, vvtt— the end, if the demands are met, vvttt pusn— the end, if the demands are met, vvttt pusn tts— the end, if the demands are met, will push its recipients into ntgner— will push its recipients into ntgner tax— will push its recipients into higher tax brackets and it vveuttn-t— higher tax brackets and it wouldn't be— higher tax brackets and it wouldn't be worth that much at

all. wouldn't be worth that much at at. tne— wouldn't be worth that much at at. tne prtee— wouldn't be worth that much at all. the price, however, to us, tne— all. the price, however, to us, tne taxpayer.— all. the price, however, to us, the taxpayer, would be astronomical- the taxpayer, would be astronomical . and in a cost of astronomical. and in a cost of ttvtng— astronomical. and in a cost of ttvtng ertsts— astronomical. and in a cost of living crisis caused by a pantemte— living crisis caused by a pandemic and- living crisis caused by a pandemic and war, both of which net— pandemic and war, both of which net tn— pandemic and war, both of which were not in our— pandemic and war, both of which were not in our control, it seems a bitter- were not in our control, it seems a bitter pill to swallow tnat— seems a bitter pill to swallow tnat vve— seems a bitter pill to swallow tnat tne— seems a bitter pill to swallow that we, the general public, sneutt— that we, the general public, sneutt te— that we, the general public, should be made to suffer in this way.— should be made to suffer in this way. as— should be made to suffer in this way. aslresutt— should be made to suffer in this way. aslresutt .— should be made to suffer in this way. aslresult . yes,- should be made to suffer in this way. as result . yes, i have way. as a result. yes, i have atsetute— way. as a result. yes, i have absolute sympathy for the junior teeters— absolute sympathy for the junior teeters tut— absolute sympathy for the junior doctors, but let's— absolute sympathy for the junior doctors, but let's get something stratgtt— doctors, but let's get something stratgnt. tne— doctors, but let's get something straight. the nhs— doctors, but let's get something straight. the nhs has been in a tempte— straight. the nhs has been in a terrible state— straight. the nhs has been in a terrible state for— straight. the nhs has been in a terrible state for some time and it terrible state for some time and tt stmptv— terrible state for some time and tr stmptv tsn-t— terrible state for some time and it simply isn't fair— terrible state for some time and it simply isn't fair to put all tne— it simply isn't fair to put all tne ttame— it simply isn't fair to put all the blame into— it simply isn't fair to put all the blame into the hands of the tere— the blame into the hands of the terv rate.— the blame into the hands of the terv name. tn— the blame into the hands of the tory party. in fact— the blame into the hands of the tory party. in fact ,— the blame into the hands of the tory party. in fact , it's been tory party. in fact, it's been going— tory party. in fact, it's been going downhill— tory party. in fact, it's been going downhill for decades and over successive _ going downhill for decades and over successive governments . over successive governments. tets— over successive governments. tet-s net— over successive governments. let's not pretend— over successive governments. let's not pretend that this is just— let's not pretend that this is just a— let's not pretend that this is just a conservative party's mutt.— just a conservative party's tautt. tets— just a conservative party's fault. let's be— just a conservative party's fault. let's be honest about unat— fault. let's be honest about vvnat tnev— fault. let's be honest about what they inherited and from vvnem. — what they inherited and from vvnem. tony— what they inherited and from whom. tony blair. the history of his whom. tony blair. the history of ms reetrms— whom. tony blair. the history of his reforms hardly— whom. tony blair. the history of his reforms hardly bear repeattng. — his reforms hardly bear repeating. first, he dismantled generat— repeating. first, he dismantled general practise— repeating. first, he dismantled general practise acas the fundholding_ general practise acas the fundholding there. then he set up prtmarv— fundholding there. then he set up prtmarv eae— fundholding there. then he set up primary care groups, made tnem— up primary care groups, made tnem mte— up primary care groups, made them into primary care trusts, ant— them into primary care trusts, ant tnem— them into primary care trusts, and then merged— them into primary care trusts, and then merged them again, natvtng— and then merged them again, natvtng tnetr— and then merged them again, halving their number, he resurrected— halving their number, he resurrected regional health authorities— resurrected regional health authorities as— resurrected regional health authorities as 28 strategic neattn—

authorities as 28 strategic health authorities and then merget— health authorities and then merget tnem— health authorities and then merged them back again into an ertgtnat— merged them back again into an ertgtnat ten— merged them back again into an original ten regions. he snutttet— original ten regions. he shuffled the— original ten regions. he shuffled the deckchairs more tnan— shuffled the deckchairs more tnan tne— shuffled the deckchairs more than the titanic— shuffled the deckchairs more than the titanic . tony blair than the titanic. tony blair turnet— than the titanic. tony blair turnet tne— than the titanic. tony blair turned the nhs— than the titanic. tony blair turned the nhs into a competitive- turned the nhs into a competitive entity be the eppestte— competitive entity be the eppestte te— competitive entity be the opposite to what it was meant to be. opposite to what it was meant to te. nespttats— opposite to what it was meant to be. hospitals got— opposite to what it was meant to be. hospitals got into debt, vvnten— be. hospitals got into debt, vvnten mate— be. hospitals got into debt, which made no— be. hospitals got into debt, which made no sense because tnere-s— which made no sense because tnere-s se— which made no sense because there's so much— which made no sense because there's so much money sloshing ateut— there's so much money sloshing ateut .— there's so much money sloshing ateut . seme— there's so much money sloshing about . some hospitals closed or about. some hospitals closed or test— about. some hospitals closed or test tnem— about. some hospitals closed or lost their a&e— about. some hospitals closed or lost their a&e or— about. some hospitals closed or lost their a&e or maternity servtees— lost their a&e or maternity servtees .— lost their a&e or maternity services . save— lost their a&e or maternity services . save our hospital services. save our hospital eampatgns— services. save our hospital campaigns sprang up everywhere. a gttt— campaigns sprang up everywhere. a gttt te— campaigns sprang up everywhere. x gttt te tne— campaigns sprang up everywhere. a gift to the tories— campaigns sprang up everywhere. a gift to the tories who frankly natn-t— a gift to the tories who frankly natn-t taret— a gift to the tories who frankly hadn't fared much better. mev-ve— hadn't fared much better. tnev-ve-a- hadn't fared much better. they've a mess of it as they've made a mess of it as nett— they've made a mess of it as neu-att— they've made a mess of it as well-add insult- they've made a mess of it as well-add insult to- they've made a mess of it as well add insult to injury well. so to add insult to injury for well. so to add insult to injury ter tne— well. so to add insult to injury for the hundreds— well. so to add insult to injury for the hundreds and thousands of for the hundreds and thousands et patents— for the hundreds and thousands of patients whose— for the hundreds and thousands of patients whose treatment is going— of patients whose treatment is getng te— of patients whose treatment is getng te te— of patients whose treatment is going to be disrupted or cancelled— going to be disrupted or cancelled during this week's strttes— cancelled during this week's strttes ,— cancelled during this week's strttes late— cancelled during this week's strikes , are being offered strikes, gp's are being offered up te— strikes, gp's are being offered up te tsee— strikes, gp's are being offered up te tsee per— strikes, gp's are being offered up to £200 per hour to work in net— up to £200 per hour to work in a&e departments.— up to £200 per hour to work in a&e departments. hospital bosses are a&e departments. hospital bosses seaet et— a&e departments. hospital bosses are scared of walkouts, which eeutt— are scared of walkouts, which eeutt eest— are scared of walkouts, which could cost lives.— are scared of walkouts, which could cost lives. i— are scared of walkouts, which could cost lives. i mean it's a eemptete— could cost lives. i mean it's a eemptete ant— could cost lives. i mean it's a complete and utter farce and we, the complete and utter farce and we, tne taxpayers— complete and utter farce and we, the taxpayers, have— complete and utter farce and we, the taxpayers, have been shafted . nnt— the taxpayers, have been shafted . ant frankly— the taxpayers, have been shafted . and frankly, i've— the taxpayers, have been shafted . and frankly, i've had enough . . and frankly, i've had enough. tony— . and frankly, i've had enough. tenv ntatr-s— . and frankly, i've had enough. tony blair's legacy created a enange— tony blair's legacy created a enange tn— tony blair's legacy created a sea change in the way the nhs eperates— sea change in the way the nhs eperates ant— sea change in the way the nhs operates, and subsequent mtntsters— operates, and subsequent ministers from - operates, and subsequent ministers from parties all over

tnts— ministers from parties all over tnts eeuntrv— ministers from parties all over this country, the— ministers from parties all over this country, the tory party in partteutan— this country, the tory party in particular, have— this country, the tory party in particular, have continued to ateut— particular, have continued to mess about with— particular, have continued to mess about with it. in the meanttme— mess about with it. in the meanttme .— mess about with it. in the meantime , we— mess about with it. in the meantime , we hear that public meantime, we hear that public seete— meantime, we hear that public sector workers— meantime, we hear that public sector workers ,— meantime, we hear that public sector workers , so— meantime, we hear that public sector workers , so people like sector workers, so people like vvererst— sector workers, so people like vvererst trem — sector workers, so people like workers from the _ sector workers, so people like workers from the nhs will get pensten— workers from the nhs will get pension increases— workers from the nhs will get pension increases worth double the pension increases worth double tne aveaeg— pension increases worth double tne aveaeg pav— pension increases worth double the average pay rise again tuntet— the average pay rise again tuntet by— the average pay rise again funded by us,— the average pay rise again funded by us, the taxpayer . and funded by us, the taxpayer. and as t— funded by us, the taxpayer. and as t sate.— funded by us, the taxpayer. and as t sate. t— funded by us, the taxpayer. and as i said, i believe— funded by us, the taxpayer. and as i said, i believe many junior teeters— as i said, i believe many junior doctors should— as i said, i believe many junior doctors should be— as i said, i believe many junior doctors should be paid a bit nut— doctors should be paid a bit more. but the— doctors should be paid a bit more. but the way they've gone ateut— more. but the way they've gone ateut tnts— more. but the way they've gone about this particular strike to cause maximum— about this particular strike to cause maximum harm and without, it cause maximum harm and without, tt appears— cause maximum harm and without, tt appears. preper— cause maximum harm and without, it appears, proper negotiate natten— it appears, proper negotiate nation doesn't— it appears, proper negotiate nation doesn't make me feel that tnev— nation doesn't make me feel that mev—tve- nation doesn't make me feel that tnev—t-ve natl they do actually care. i've had eneugn— they do actually care. i've had eneugn .— they do actually care. i've had eneugn . vve— they do actually care. i've had enough . we are— they do actually care. i've had enough . we are heading enough. we are already heading in enough. we are already heading tn tne— enough. we are already heading in the direction— enough. we are already heading in the direction of— enough. we are already heading in the direction of a two tier neattn— in the direction of a two tier health service,— in the direction of a two tier health service, so let's make it etttetat— health service, so let's make it etttetat tt— health service, so let's make it official if you— health service, so let's make it official if you want— health service, so let's make it official if you want more money, tern— official if you want more money, retn-prtvate— official if you want more money, join-private sector- official if you want more money, join-private sector .- official if you want more money, join private sector. it's join the private sector. it's ttme— join the private sector. it's ttmela— join the private sector. it's time-a rethink. - join the private sector. it's time a rethink. it's time to time for a rethink. it's time to seem— time for a rethink. it's time to serap tne— time for a rethink. it's time to serap tne uns— time for a rethink. it's time to scrap the nhs .— time for a rethink. it's time to scrap the nhs . well, danny's scrap the nhs. well, danny's eves— scrap the nhs. well, danny's eyes popped_ scrap the nhs. well, danny's eyes popped out_ scrap the nhs. well, danny's eyes popped out of his head. he went.— eyes popped out of his head. he went. unea— eyes popped out of his head. he went, whoa. yeah.— eyes popped out of his head. he went, whoa. yeah. right before went, whoa. yeah. right before vve get— went, whoa. yeah. right before we get stuet— went, whoa. yeah. right before we get stuck into— went, whoa. yeah. right before we get stuck into the debate, neres— we get stuck into the debate, neres unat— we get stuck into the debate, here's what else— we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up tetav— here's what else is coming up tetav ter— here's what else is coming up tetav ter tne— here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate.— today for the great british debate-hour,- today for the great british debate. hour, i'm asking, debate. this hour, i'm asking, sneutt— debate. this hour, i'm asking,j should—inclusion debate. this hour, i'm asking,j sh(ald_inclusion debate. this hour, i'm asking, sh(a priority inclusion debate. this hour, i'm asking, sh(a priority at inclusion debate. this hour, i'm asking, sh(a priority at the inclusion debate. this hour, i'm asking, sh(a priority at the king'ssion be a priority at the king's coronation?— be a priority at the king's coronation? king charles is

repenettv— coronation? king charles is repenettv at— coronation? king charles is reportedly at loggerheads with the reportedly at loggerheads with tne enuren— reportedly at loggerheads with the church of— reportedly at loggerheads with the church of england over the rete— the church of england over the reteltne— the church of england over the role-the faiths— the church of england over the role the faiths will play in role of the faiths will play in tne— role of the faiths will play ini tne—se the coronation next month. so sneutt— the coronation next month. so should _faiths_ the coronation next month. so should _faiths be- the coronation next month. so should faiths be equally should other faiths be equally represented— should other faiths be equally represented-at- should other faiths be equally represented at 450, it's represented then at 450, it's trump— represented then at 450, it's trump vvaten— represented then at 450, it's trump vvaten .— represented then at 450, it's trump watch . donald trump has trump watch. donald trump has teeeme— trump watch. donald trump has teeeme tne— trump watch. donald trump has become the first— trump watch. donald trump has become the first former presttent— become the first former president-be- become the first former president be arrested on president to be arrested on ertmtnat— president to be arrested on criminal charges. the host of president to be arrested on crinpoliticsarges. the host of president to be arrested on crin politics people he host of president to be arrested on crin politics people podcast.f the politics people podcast. taut— the politics people podcast. paul duddridge_ the politics people podcast. paul duddridge will be joining melgtve— paul duddridge will be joining melgtve-tne— paul duddridge will be joining me give the latest on me to give me the latest on a verv— me to give me the latest on a very tramatte— me to give me the latest on a very dramatic week in american pettttes— very dramatic week in american pettttes. tnem— very dramatic week in american politics. then .five,- very dramatic week in american politics. then five, it's politics. then at five, it's tnts— politics. then at five, it's this-outside.- politics. then at five, it's- this-outside. .guest this week's outside. my guest is a surprtse— this week's outside. my guest is a surprtse .— this week's outside. my guest is a surprtse . an— this week's outside. my guest is a surprise . an extremely a surprise. an extremely tatentet— a surprise. an extremely talented musician . they were talented musician. they were pari— talented musician. they were part et— talented musician. they were part et a— talented musician. they were pan et a tant— talented musician. they were part of a band named after a trattttenat— part of a band named after a traditional christmas drink . can traditional christmas drink. can you traditional christmas drink. can veu guess— traditional christmas drink. can veu guess vvne— traditional christmas drink. can you guess who that is ? well, you guess who that is? well, tnat-s— you guess who that is? well, tnat-s eemtng— you guess who that is? well, that's coming up— you guess who that is? well, that's coming up in the next neur— that's coming up in the next neur .— that's coming up in the next neur . tetr— that's coming up in the next hour . tell me— that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on evervtntng— hour. tell me what you think on evervtntng tve-re— hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. tmatt— everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.uk tweet email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me . email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet mel- en— email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet mel- en tens.— email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet mel- en ueus. se— email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me . gb news. so let's get me at. gb news. so let's get started.— me at. gb news. so let's get started. tets— me at. gb news. so let's get started. let's welcome again to my panet— started. let's welcome again to my panel christine hamilton. sne-s— my panel christine hamilton. sne-s an— my panel christine hamilton. she's an author— my panel christine hamilton. she's an author and broadcaster ant— she's an author and broadcaster ant tnem— she's an author and broadcaster and then journalist and author ant— and then journalist and author and broadcaster— and then journalist and author and broadcaster and author. i'll be verv— and broadcaster and author. i'll be very generous,— and broadcaster and author. i'll be very generous, but somebody's teen— be very generous, but somebody's teen revverttng— be very generous, but somebody's been reworking the— be very generous, but somebody's been reworking the writing on mere.— been reworking the writing on nere. mev-ve— been reworking the writing on here. they've not— been reworking the writing on

here. they've not mentioned you, enrtsttne.— here. they've not mentioned you, enrtsttne.-net— here. they've not mentioned you, christine.-not said- here. they've not mentioned you, christine. not said that christine. they've not said that veure— christine. they've not said that veute—vvetti you're. no. well, i'm not. well tm— you're. no. well, i'm not. well t-m a— you're. no. well, i'm not. well i'm a housewife. _ you're. no. well, i'm not. well i'm a housewife. c i'm a housewife. would you please just describe me as a housewife? happy housewife? sne-s— housewife? happy housewife? sne-s a— housewife? happy housewife? sne-s a nappy— �*7ti7’ happy housewife? she's a happy housewife. be att— she's a happy housewife. be easier all round— she's a happy housewife. be easier all round .— she's a happy housewife. be easier all round . all right. easier all round. all right. tarr— easier all round. all right. tatr eneugn.— easier all round. all right. fair enough. right. so. danny fair enough. right. so. so danny kelly— fair enough. right. so. so danny eete-start— fair enough. right. so. so danny kelly,-start with— fair enough. right. so. so danny kelly, start with you then. kelly, i'll start with you then. vean. — kelly, i'll start with you then. vean. .nns— kelly, i'll start with you then. vean. .nns .— kelly, i'll start with you then. yeah. .nhs , it's. - kelly, i'll start with you then. yeah.-nhs , it's. i- kelly, i'll start with you then. yeah. nhs , it's. i think yeah. the nhs, it's. i think tt-s— yeah. the nhs, it's. i think is rust— yeah. the nhs, it's. i think it's just crippling. a it's just crippling. it's a tt-s— it's just crippling. it's a mess. it'sjust. c it's just crippling. it's a- mess. it's just. how would you replace it then? what's your other model? your alternative metete— other model? your alternative model?-questionsl other model? your alternative model? questions i'm model? you. the questions i'm asking. no it's just when you say you scrap it. no, i've given you. i've given a monologue. you. i've given you a monologue. i okay. so i want your opinion. okay. so you're saying scrap the i“ so you're saying scrap the nhs. my guestten— you're saying scrap the nhs. my guestten ts— you're saying scrap the nhs. my guestten ts. ts. — you're saying scrap the nhs. my question is, is. .i'm- you're saying scrap the nhs. my question is, is. cg . “cg question is, is. so i'm giving you opinion on something i'm you an opinion on something i'm not aware of plan b, but as far as the nhs is concerned, what for benefit of those for the benefit of those listening radio, there listening on the radio, there were holding were people holding placards saying snakes. the tv saying tory snakes. so the tv viewers and i really viewers watched on and i really hate the way that the conservative party is just being blamed for everything. you know, there's money blamed for everything. you know, there's—money to. blamed for everything. you know,j there's—money to go there's only so much money to go aeunt— there's only so much money to go aeunt-terres— there's only so much money to go around-tories are- around and the tories are treating— around and the tories are teetttng te— around and the tories are deciding to spend it in a tvpteattv— deciding to spend it in a typically conservative manner. mere-s— typically conservative manner. mere-s a— typically conservative manner. mere-s a etue— typically conservative manner. there's a clue in— typically conservative manner. there's a clue in the— typically conservative manner. there's a clue in the name conservative kyiv i always say to people, if you know that you're be on £14 an

you're going to be on £14 an houn you're going to be on £14 an hour, which is on the placard, you know, knew salary. you know, you knew the salary. why? become junior doctor why? why become a junior doctor and why? why become a junior doctor ant—ateut- why? why become a junior doctor ant—ateut tne- and then complain about the satarve— and then complain about the satarve-get— and then complain about the salary?-get the- and then complain about the salary? get the inflation salary? yes, i get the inflation an tat.— salary? yes, i get the inflation an ttt. — salary? yes, i get the inflation an ttt. tne— salary? yes, i get the inflation an bit. ”gt salary? yes, i get the inflation an bit. i an bit. the inflationary aspect is something is recent. is something that is recent. i understand that, understand all of that, but everybody feeling effect everybody is feeling the effect andifs everybody is feeling the effect and it's going to potentially, as nana spike as you said, nana spike inflation. well, you know, they're the they're moaning about the inflation. give them a inflation. if you give them a load dough, then they're load more dough, then they're going more about going to be moaning more about the inflation and then they're going more because going to want more dough because the they've the inflation that they've caused is going up. well, and also caused is going up. well, and atse tnev-tt— caused is going up. well, and also they'll be— caused is going up. well, and also they'll be pushing- i c cgit “cg .. well, and also they'll be pushing a higher tax traetet— also they'll be pushing a higher tax bracket, which— also they'll be pushing a higher tax bracket, which will mean tnat—menevi that they'll get less money. t hey— that they'll get less money. t hey _you- that they'll get less money. t hey _you gol that they'll get less money. i tnev—veu ge up they think. and as you go up tnese— they think. and as you go up those - brackets, - they think. and as you go up those-brackets, it- they think. and as you go up those brackets, it makes a those tax brackets, it makes a lot those tax brackets, it makes a tet—tne- those tax brackets, it makes a tet—tne menevl lot of difference. the money tnat— lot of difference. the money mat-neme- lot of difference. the money that-home, well,. lot of difference. the money that home, well, it's lot of difference. the money. that-home, well, it's a that you take home, well, it's a punter— that you take home, well, it's a tuner teeters— that you take home, well, it's a junior doctors going on strike. nut— junior doctors going on strike. nut-ts— junior doctors going on strike. but-isliunior_ junior doctors going on strike. but-isljunior doctor?- junior doctors going on strike. but-isljunior doctor? a| but what is a junior doctor? a junior doctor? is anybody in tnat— junior doctor? is anybody in that profession— junior doctor? is anybody in that profession who is not enter— that profession who is not ettner a— that profession who is not either a consultant, a gp or a speetattset— either a consultant, a gp or a specialised-so- either a consultant, a gp or a specialised _so it's. specialised doctor? so it's a matter— specialised doctor? so it's a matter et— specialised doctor? so it's a matter of huge bracket and there are have just are junior doctors who have just arrived there are junior arrived us and there are junior doctors who've been there 6 or 7 years. so we're talking about some will be earning some of those will be earning quite lot of money they're quite a lot of money and they're all strike. it's all apparently on strike. it's very this they have

very political this they have chosen to maximum impact, chosen it to be maximum impact, you holiday weekend, you know, bank holiday weekend, a people who might a lot of people who might otherwise in are on otherwise have come in are on holiday. et cetera. et cetera. so holiday. et cetera. et cetera. se tt— holiday. et cetera. et cetera. se tt veu— holiday. et cetera. et cetera. so if you wanted— holiday. et cetera. et cetera. so if you wanted to- cs et cetera. et cetera. so if you wanted to create a team— so if you wanted to create a health service— so if you wanted to create a health service ,— so if you wanted to create a health service , you wouldn't health service, you wouldn't start— health service, you wouldn't start-tne— health service, you wouldn't start the national health start with the national health servtee— start with the national health servtee-neve— start with the national health service we've got, would service that we've got, would you?— service that we've got, would veue-tttette. — service that we've got, would you?-idiotic. it- service that we've got, would you? idiotic. . cg“. you? it is idiotic. it might nave— you? it is idiotic. it might have for purpose have been fit for purpose when it started. and incredibly it first started. and incredibly tautatte— it first started. and incredibly laudable -free_ it first started. and incredibly laudable-free at- it first started. and incredibly laudable -free at the- . �*7 c and incredibly laudable free at the point laudable idea free at the point of laudable idea free at the point et tettverv— laudable idea free at the point et tettverv. tt— laudable idea free at the point of delivery. et cetera. but now it of delivery. et cetera. but now tt nas— of delivery. et cetera. but now it has become— of delivery. et cetera. but now it has become absolutely enpptet— it has become absolutely crippled with— it has become absolutely crippled with bureaucracy. i ttseeveret— crippled with bureaucracy. i discovered an— crippled with bureaucracy. i discovered an appalling thing in the discovered an appalling thing in tne newspaper— discovered an appalling thing in the newspaper that the nhs paid neat—nunters— the newspaper that the nhs paid head—hunters nearly £4 million to head—hunters nearly £4 million te tttt— head—hunters nearly £4 million te tttt ne— head—hunters nearly £4 million to fill new roles— head—hunters nearly £4 million to fill new roles .— head—hunters nearly £4 million to fill new roles . as they to fill new roles. as they petnteet— to fill new roles. as they pointed, these - to fill new roles. as they pointed, these head—hunters. tve— pointed, these head—hunters. he get— pointed, these head—hunters. he get tt— pointed, these head—hunters. i've got it here,— pointed, these head—hunters. i've got it here, so— pointed, these head—hunters. i've got it here, so let's- pointed, these head—hunters. i've got it here, so let's get it right. they wanted chief executives , 42 of them, who were executives, 42 of them, who were going to be paid up to £275,000 each. they spent 4 million emptevtng— i they spent 4 million employing head—hunters to find tnese— employing head—hunters to find tnese peepte.— employing head—hunters to find these people. they then actually tried— these people. they then actually ttttet att— these people. they then actually filled all bar— these people. they then actually filled all bar four— these people. they then actually filled all bar four from people une— filled all bar four from people vvne vvere— filled all bar four from people who were already— filled all bar four from people who were already working within the who were already working within tne ins.— who were already working within tne nns. ant— who were already working within the nhs, and many of them were teeat— the nhs, and many of them were teeat te— the nhs, and many of them were teeat te tne— the nhs, and many of them were local to the place— the nhs, and many of them were local to the place where they getng — local to the place where they getng te— local to the place where they were going to have the new job. so were going to have the new job. se tt— were going to have the new job. se tt nas— were going to have the new job. se tt a— were going to have the new job. so it was a complete and utter

vvaste— so it was a complete and utter vvaste et— so it was a complete and utter waste of taxpayers— so it was a complete and utter waste of taxpayers money. �*tivtti; waste of taxpayers money. we meet— waste of taxpayers money. we meet-get— waste of taxpayers money. we neeulget mere— waste of taxpayers money. we need i get more- into i waste of taxpayers money. we need get more into the need to get more money into the nhs. idon't need to get more money into the nhs. i don't think do. hang nhs. i don't think we do. hang on, nhs. i don't think we do. hang tet— nhs. i don't think we do. hang tet me— nhs. i don't think we do. hang on, let me finish.— nhs. i don't think we do. hang on, let me finish. we- \t i don't think we do. hang on, let me finish. we do. �*tivtti; on, let me finish. we do. we meet— on, let me finish. we do. we meet te— on, let me finish. we do. we meet te get— on, let me finish. we do. we need to get more— on, let me finish. we do. we need to get more sorry, more money into the health service. but there's point pouring money into the health service. but timoney point pouring but timoney intoint pouring but timoney into the iouring but timoney into the iouririf more money into the nhs if mev-re— more money into the nhs if tnev-re getng— more money into the nhs if tnev-re getng te— more money into the nhs if they're going to waste it like mat.— they're going to waste it like tnat. tiere— they're going to waste it like that. more people need have that. more people need to have insurance,-people- that. more people need to have insurance, people need to insurance, more people need to start— insurance, more people need to start-metr— insurance, more people need to start-their-sort. start saving for their the sort of start saving for their the sort et-tnat— start saving for their the sort et-tnat veure- start saving for their the sort of that you're bound to of things that you're bound to nave— of things that you're bound to nave as— of things that you're bound to nave as veu— of things that you're bound to nave as veu get— of things that you're bound to have as you get older, just like peepte— have as you get older, just like peepte-metr— have as you get older, just like people their pensions. people say for their pensions. mev-ve— people say for their pensions. tnev-ve-start- people say for their pensions. they've start saving for they've got to start saving for tnem— they've got to start saving for met me— they've got to start saving for their new hips,— they've got to start saving for their new hips, their new knees. tne— their new hips, their new knees. tne neattn — their new hips, their new knees. the health service— their new hips, their new knees. the health service-be- the health service will be there. you a really there. if you have a really serious problem. but all this elective that had, elective stuff that people had, i i've myself. why i mean, i've had it myself. why should the taxpayer— i mean, i've had it myself. why should the taxpayer pay- i“ “sc . why should the taxpayer pay for tnate — should the taxpayer pay for tnate ant — should the taxpayer pay for that? and don't- should the taxpayer pay for that? ' “c cit“ . cg that? and don't let's forget these doctors. it isn't just the salary. they're getting incredibly generous pension arrangements people in the arrangements that people in the private would kill for. private sector would kill for. of course, they want more money. everybody more at everybody wants more money at the moment. i think was the moment. and i think it was danny the doctors danny who said, give the doctors what want and everybody what they want and everybody will go leapfrogging ahead. will just go leapfrogging ahead. 35% not what they wanted, 40. 35% is not what they wanted, 40. mat-s— 35% is not what they wanted, 40. than rust— 35% is not what they wanted, 40. that's just ridiculous— 35% is not what they wanted, 40. that's just ridiculous . how- that's just ridiculous. how many? well, 35. and- that's just ridiculous. how- many? well, 35. and _wasn't many? well, 35. and there wasn't even _consultations. . even the proper consultations. trest—

even the proper consultations. nest-went- even the proper consultations. first went straight on first they just went straight on strtte. — first they just went straight on strtte. tnat-s— first they just went straight on strike. that's stupid. so strike. that's just stupid. so to strike. that's just stupid. so te-ttte— strike. that's just stupid. so te-ttte ant- strike. that's just stupid. so to like and they're to me, it's like and they're savtng—earel to me, it's like and they're. saying,_care. and saying, oh, but we care. and venat— saying, oh, but we care. and vvnatittt— saying, oh, but we care. and vvnatittt tn— saying, oh, but we care. and what-did in the- saying, oh, but we care. and what did in the pandemic. what we did in the pandemic. team— what we did in the pandemic. team-nas— what we did in the pandemic. yeah,-was-was- yeah, that was that was tautatte— yeah, that was that was laudable. excuse me, but but a lot laudable. excuse me, but but a tet et— laudable. excuse me, but but a tet et peepte— laudable. excuse me, but but a lot of people did— laudable. excuse me, but but a lot of people did a lot of tntngs.— lot of people did a lot of tntngs. tt— lot of people did a lot of things. it wasn't just them. you nat— things. it wasn't just them. you mag snep— things. it wasn't just them. you had shop workers— things. it wasn't just them. you had shop workers who were vverttng. — had shop workers who were vverttng. _te- had shop workers who were vverttng-te ge- had shop workers who were working. to go to work. working. i had to go to work. tets— working. i had to go to work. tets-peepte— working. i had to go to work. tetslpeepte-t- working. i had to go to work.| lots-people-i know working. i had to go to work.- lotslpeople-i know it lots of people worked. i know it vvaslverv— lots of people worked. i know it vvaslverv seare— lots of people worked. i know it was very scary time, but, you was a very scary time, but, you men.— was a very scary time, but, you knew. tnat— was a very scary time, but, you know, that can't— was a very scary time, but, you know, that can't be— was a very scary time, but, you know, that can't be the whole tnat— know, that can't be the whole tnat ean-t— know, that can't be the whole tnat ean-t tee. — know, that can't be the whole that can't be. well, we did that can't be. oh, well, we did tnat— that can't be. oh, well, we did that because— that can't be. oh, well, we did that because now— that can't be. oh, well, we did that because now now think that because now now i think tnts— that because now now i think this-uncaring,- that because now now i think this uncaring, isn't this is quite uncaring, isn't it? this is quite uncaring, isn't rte-veu-ve— this is quite uncaring, isn't it?-you've had- this is quite uncaring, isn't it? you've had the it? like you've had the bank netttav— it? like you've had the bank holiday-know- it? like you've had the bank holiday know the holiday where we know the servtees— holiday where we know the services are _ holiday where we know the services are great and now services are not great and now veure— services are not great and now veu-re-te— services are not great and now veu-re-te nave- services are not great and now you're-to have-as. you're going to have this as nett— you're going to have this as well. consecutive. well. four days consecutive. tt-s— t — well. four days consecutive. tt-s—t mean- well. four days consecutive. it's—i mean, this| it's nothing to i mean, this tustness— it's nothing to i mean, this business-care. i it's nothing to i mean, thisj business-care. i it's nothing to i mean, this- business-care. i mean, business about we care. i mean, my tatter— business about we care. i mean, my tatter vas— business about we care. i mean, my father was a gp back in the day and he was on duty 24 over seven, 24 over seven. seven, literally 24 over seven. he didn't complain. he never went on strike. it isn't went on strike. and it isn't another problem that the another massive problem that the health social health service has got is social care. it is at the moment. care. and it is at the moment. there are vast numbers of people. remember what people. i can't remember what the is, but it's the statistic is, but it's something it's horrendous percentage of people who in percentage of people who are in hospital care hospital who should be in care homes looking homes and they are just looking after people and it's very expensive look after old expensive to look after old people should a

people who should be just in a care home in an nhs hospital. also, doctors take it. the also, the doctors take it. the tertvattve— also, the doctors take it. the derivative is— also, the doctors take it. the derivative is from _ also, the doctors take it. the derivative is from from ancient greek. — derivative is from from ancient greek. ts— derivative is from from ancient greek. ts tt— derivative is from from ancient greek. is it the— derivative is from from ancient greek. is it the hippocratic ntppeeratte— greek. is it the hippocratic hippocratic oath ? i ti. hippocratic oath? hippocratic oatm— hippocratic oath? hippocratic oath to do no harm? well, striking . well, it's a complete striking. well, it's a complete it's counterintuitive lviv to the oath that they've taken. so they take an oath and simplicity. - they take an oath and simplicity. they take an oath and- simplicity. sorry to interrupt, but apparently they don't take it they don't? because. it anymore. they don't? because. how interesting because they how interesting. because they don't. spirit is there don't. but the spirit is there vvnetner— don't. but the spirit is there whether- actually- cit“ . but the spirit is there whether actually take it or whether they actually take it or net.— whether they actually take it or net-spitt— whether they actually take it or net-sptrtt et— whether they actually take it or not. .spirit of the - not. the spirit of the hippocratic - not. the spirit of the hippocratic oath is there. so mev— hippocratic oath is there. so they rem— hippocratic oath is there. so they join l profession - hippocratic oath is there. so they join l profession in - hippocratic oath is there. so they join profession in order they join a profession in order to save lives and treat people. and that's their primary motivation. it's coming across new-tne— motivation. it's coming across neu-tne prtmarv- it's coming across now the primary motivation it's coming across ncfinanciale primary motivation it's coming across ncfinancial remunay motivation it's coming across ncfinancial remuna station'ation is financial remuna station ratner— is financial remuna station ratner tnan— is financial remuna station rather than actually looking arter— rather than actually looking atter peepte. — rather than actually looking after people. ' “c cgit rather than actually looking after people. “c cgit i after people. and i go back to my earlier point, the doctor waving placard saying, tory waving a placard saying, tory snakes, more than £14 an snakes, i want more than £14 an houn no snakes, i want more than £14 an hour. no one tell you what hour. did no one tell you what your hourly rate was when you signed for this? i also did signed up for this? i also did no one tell you— signed up for this? i also did no one tell you that- cg“ic .. ti7 i also did no one tell you that actually pari— no one tell you that actually part-tne— no one tell you that actually panltne mess— no one tell you that actually part the mess that we're in part of the mess that we're in is-by_ part of the mess that we're in ts-tv tne— part of the mess that we're in is-by the labour- part of the mess that we're in is by the labour party is caused by the labour party ant— is caused by the labour party ant tony— is caused by the labour party and tony blair's— is caused by the labour party and tony blair's reforms, even

tneugn— and tony blair's reforms, even tneugn at— and tony blair's reforms, even tneugn at tne— and tony blair's reforms, even though at the -he - and tony blair's reforms, even though at the he had quite though at the time he had quite geet— though at the time he had quite geet-ttmes— though at the time he had quite geet-ttmes-etl good result times in terms of nevu— good result times in terms of neu teng— good result times in terms of how long-wait- good result times in terms of how long _wait for- good result times in terms of how long wait for a&e the how long you'd wait for a&e the teet— how long you'd wait for a&e the tett. tne— how long you'd wait for a&e the debt, the .contracts- how long you'd wait for a&e the debt, the contracts and debt, the pfi contracts and tntngs— debt, the pfi contracts and tntngs-mat— debt, the pfi contracts and things that that left things like that that left nespttats— things like that that left hospitals debt has meant that hospitals in debt has meant that neu-ttterattv— hospitals in debt has meant that now literally sponging now they are literally sponging menev — now they are literally sponging menev ine— now they are literally sponging money-igor tt-s— now they are literally sponging money. no, it's not just the money. so no, it's not just the tere— money. so no, it's not just the terv natv— money. so no, it's not just the terv name. tt-s— money. so no, it's not just the tory party, it's not— money. so no, it's not just the tory party, it's not the tory rate-s— tory party, it's not the tory name-s gun,— tory party, it's not the tory party's fault, all of them. party's fault, it's all of them. mev-ve— party's fault, it's all of them. tnev-ve-a— party's fault, it's all of them. tnev-ve-a-et- party's fault, it's all of them. . they've-a-ofibut they've made a mess of it. but tnese— they've made a mess of it. but tnese peepte— they've made a mess of it. but these people helping and these people aren't helping and i these people aren't helping and t-tneu— these people aren't helping and t-tnevv unv— these people aren't helping and t-tnevv wby tnev— these people aren't helping and i know why they think 35% i don't know why they think 35% is i don't know why they think 35% r-saeut — i don't know why they think 35% r-saeut vve- i don't know why they think 35% is-amount. we also- i don't know why they think 35% is amount. we also know is a good amount. we also know tnat— is a good amount. we also know that inflation— is a good amount. we also know that inflation-to- is a good amount. we also know that inflation-to be- that inflation is likely to be eemtng— that inflation is likely to be eemtng tenn— that inflation is likely to be coming down quite considerably eve-te— coming down quite considerably over-few months. - coming down quite considerably over few months. i've over the next few months. i've teen—ages- over the next few months. i've teen—ages tuti been saying this for ages, but we been saying this for ages, but vve-tt— been saying this for ages, but vee-rt vvtt— been saying this for ages, but we-it will. it— been saying this for ages, but we it will. it should be we know it will. it should be tntex— we know it will. it should be tntex-veu- we know it will. it should be index-you know,- we know it will. it should bei index _you know, like index linked. you know, like mickey my lookalike, mickey lynch, my lookalike, the train guy, the union leader, he's a bit thinner you. he's a bit thinner than you. nick gibb fryston. oh no, only ten mtnutes— nick gibb fryston. oh no, only ten minutes. only— nick gibb fryston. oh no, only ten minutes. only ten minutes mte— ten minutes. only ten minutes mte-ne— ten minutes. only ten minutes into-hellm— ten minutes. only ten minutes into-helthin. but- ten minutes. only ten minutes into-helthin. but we'rel into it. he is thin. but we're not about how we're not talking about how we're talking talked talking about. but you talked about mickey. iknow, about mclynn, mickey. i know, but you that about mclynn, mickey. i know, but-you-that i'm. but then you imply that i'm evervvetgnt. — but then you imply that i'm overweight. i'm- but then you imply that i'm overweight. “cg overweight. i'm just saying that my look alike. anyway, mickey lynch, banging on mickey lynch, he was banging on mickey lynch, he was banging on mickey lynch. he's lynch, he was banging on mickey lynch . he's mick. mickey makes lynch. he's mick. mickey makes mm— lynch. he's mick. mickey makes ntm seunt— lynch. he's mick. mickey makes ntm seunt .— lynch. he's mick. mickey makes him sound . now— “i“ he's mick. mickey makes him sound . now you're crazy. him sound. now you're crazy. wett— him sound. now you're crazy. vvett. veure— him sound. now you're crazy. well, you're correct. no one's eerreetet— well, you're correct. no one's eerreetet me— well, you're correct. no one's corrected me correcting you. tttetev— corrected me correcting you. ntetev mates— corrected me correcting you. mickey makes him— corrected me correcting you. mickey makes him sound rather cosy, he is far from . i

cosy, and he is far from. i admire his tenacity.- cosy, and he is far from. i admire his tenacity. i- admire his tenacity. i disagree vvttn— admire his tenacity. i disagree mm mm.— admire his tenacity. i disagree with him, but— admire his tenacity. i disagree with him, but i— admire his tenacity. i disagree with him, but i admire mick tentgtt— with him, but i admire mick tonight. anyway ti; c . tonight. anyway he said it's all about inflation. said, about inflation. and i said, okay, you want an okay, mick, if you want an inflationary hike , then it inflationary pay hike, then it needs be index linked. so needs to be index linked. so when down, when when it comes down, when inflation so does your inflation plummets, so does your salary, mate. yeah, it's not going— salary, mate. yeah, it's not getng te— salary, mate. yeah, it's not getng te nave— salary, mate. yeah, it's not going to have that- yeah, it's not going to have that course. it's net.— going to have that course. it's net. t— going to have that course. it's net. t ten-t— going to have that course. it's not. i don't-that's- going to have that course. it's not. i don't that's quite not. i don't think that's quite unat— not. i don't think that's quite vvnat-mtnt. - not. i don't think that's quite. what-mind. marxist what he had in mind. marxist mvtm— what he had in mind. marxist mvtt. veur— what he had in mind. marxist myth. your friend— what he had in mind. iititix your friend mickey lynch. myth. your friend mickey lynch. mett— myth. your friend mickey lynch. vvett. ttsten— myth. your friend mickey lynch. well, listen, stay— your friend mickey lynch. well, listen, stay with us. this is well, listen, stay with us. this ts en— well, listen, stay with us. this ts ere-tv— well, listen, stay with us. this is gb-tv online.- well, listen, stay with us. this is gb tv online. and on is gb news on tv online. and on ttgttat— is gb news on tv online. and on ttgttat tatte— is gb news on tv online. and on digital radio nana— is gb news on tv online. and on digital radio nana akua. welcome on digital radio nana akua. welcome en teart. — digital radio nana akua. welcome en teart. tt— digital radio nana akua. welcome on board. if you've— digital radio nana akua. welcome on board. if you've just joined us-tne— on board. if you've just joined us-the break,— on board. if you've just joined us the break, time us after the break, it's time ter— us after the break, it's time ten-ereat— us after the break, it's time for-great british- us after the break, it's time for great british debate. for the great british debate. tnts— for the great british debate. tnts neur— for the great british debate. this hour. and— for the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, sneutt— this hour. and i'm asking, should diversity inclusion should diversity and inclusion be should diversity and inclusion te—ttng-s- be a priority at the king's coronation?— be a priority at the king's coronation? now the king has mate— coronation? now the king has matelseeret— coronation? now the king has made-secretlhis- coronation? now the king has made secret his desire to made no secret of his desire to nave— made no secret of his desire to nave a— made no secret of his desire to nave a-ttverse- made no secret of his desire to have a diverse ceremony have a more diverse ceremony tnan— have a more diverse ceremony tnan ms— have a more diverse ceremony than his mother— have a more diverse ceremony than his mother did in 1953. but enuren— than his mother did in1953. but church leaders— than his mother did in 1953. but church leaders reportedly church leaders are reportedly reststtng— church leaders are reportedly reststtng a— church leaders are reportedly resisting a more— church leaders are reportedly resisting a more active role for etner— resisting a more active role for etner tattns— resisting a more active role for etner tattns .— resisting a more active role for other faiths , not— resisting a more active role for other faiths , not only because other faiths, not only because it's other faiths, not only because is an— other faiths, not only because it's an anglican— other faiths, not only because it's an anglican ceremony, but atse— it's an anglican ceremony, but atse teeause— it's an anglican ceremony, but also because old— it's an anglican ceremony, but also because old canon law bars trusttm.— also because old canon law bars trusttm. ntntu— also because old canon law bars muslim, hindu ,— also because old canon law bars muslim, hindu , jewish and other muslim, hindu, jewish and other tattn— muslim, hindu, jewish and other faith leaders— muslim, hindu, jewish and other faith leaders from _ muslim, hindu, jewish and other faith leaders from reading prayers— faith leaders from reading prayers during— faith leaders from reading prayers during the ceremony . so prayers during the ceremony. so vvnat— prayers during the ceremony. so vvnatlveu— prayers during the ceremony. so what-you think?— prayers during the ceremony. so what-you think? i— prayers during the ceremony. so what you think? i mean , is he what do you think? i mean, is he rtgnt— what do you think? i mean, is he rtgntlte— what do you think? i mean, is he right-be heading— what do you think? i mean, is he right be heading that right to be heading in that direction?— right to be heading in that direction? some your

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good afternoon. it's 22 minutes arter— good afternoon. it's 22 minutes atter moo.— good afternoon. it's 22 minutes after 4:00. this— good afternoon. it's 22 minutes after 4:00. this is— good afternoon. it's 22 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. i'm tana— after 4:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua.— after 4:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. welcome on board. if veuve— nana akua. welcome on board. if veuve rust— nana akua. welcome on board. if veuve rust retnet— nana akua. welcome on board. if you've just joined us, we are tne— you've just joined us, we are tne peepte-s— you've just joined us, we are the people's channel. now, tetere— the people's channel. now, tetere tne— the people's channel. now, before the break, i was discussing— before the break, i was discussing the junior doctor strtte— discussing the junior doctor strtte. tet-s— discussing the junior doctor strike. let's have a look at vvnat—savtng.| strike. let's have a look at- what_saying. helen what you've been saying. helen savs— what you've been saying. helen says-patents— what you've been saying. helen says-patients died- what you've been saying. helen says patients died during says if any patients died during the says if any patients died during tne-stree— says if any patients died during the-strike,-must. the doctors strike, they must tear— the doctors strike, they must bear responsibility and be tried for manslaughter. for corporate manslaughter. teuts— for corporate manslaughter. teuts savs— for corporate manslaughter. teuts savsveu— for corporate manslaughter. louis says you are absolutely eneeet— louis says you are absolutely ereeet . tne— louis says you are absolutely correct . the nhs, since tony correct. the nhs, since tony ntatr— correct. the nhs, since tony ntatr nas— correct. the nhs, since tony blair has been— correct. the nhs, since tony blair has been an unmitigated ttsasten— blair has been an unmitigated disaster.-patricia- blair has been an unmitigated disaster. patricia says it disaster. but patricia says it is disaster. but patricia says it ts ttme— disaster. but patricia says it ts ttme te— disaster. but patricia says it is time to abandon the notion tnat— is time to abandon the notion tnat tne— is time to abandon the notion tnat tne uns— is time to abandon the notion that the nhs is— is time to abandon the notion that the nhs is too sacred to reermt— that the nhs is too sacred to reermt t— that the nhs is too sacred to reform. i agree— that the nhs is too sacred to reform. i agree with you. i

tntnt— reform. i agree with you. i tntnt tt— reform. i agree with you. i think it needs— reform. i agree with you. i think it needs to be completely retermet. — think it needs to be completely retermet. t— think it needs to be completely reformed. i get— think it needs to be completely reformed. i get rid— think it needs to be completely reformed. i get rid of it and start— reformed. i get rid of it and start agatn— reformed. i get rid of it and start again. call— reformed. i get rid of it and start again. call something start again. call it something etse.— start again. call it something etse-says- else, christine says nana. ternaps— else, christine says nana. eernaps you— else, christine says nana. perhaps you should work a 40 neur— perhaps you should work a 40 neu-vvttn— perhaps you should work a 40 neur-vvttn ne— perhaps you should work a 40 hour with no break and half hour week with no break and half the hour week with no break and half tne-stet— hour week with no break and half tne-stet ant— hour week with no break and half the-sick and then- the staff off sick and then ertttetse— the staff off sick and then criticise as— the staff off sick and then criticise as i— the staff off sick and then criticise as i do- the staff off sick and then criticise as i do actually. and you— criticise as i do actually. and veu—vve-re- criticise as i do actually. and you _we're closei criticise as i do actually. and. you _we're close to you know what? we're close to tnat— you know what? we're close to ma nere. — you know what? we're close to ma nere. ne.— you know what? we're close to that here. no, i'm— you know what? we're close to that here. no, i'm seriously, i ten-t— that here. no, i'm seriously, i ten-t tntnt— that here. no, i'm seriously, i don't think that— that here. no, i'm seriously, i don't think that the nhs workers ten-t— don't think that the nhs workers ten-t vert— don't think that the nhs workers don't work hard.— don't think that the nhs workers don't work hard. i— don't think that the nhs workers don't work hard. i believe they do. don't work hard. i believe they ate nut— don't work hard. i believe they ate nut tne— don't work hard. i believe they do. but the whole— don't work hard. i believe they do. but the whole structuring , do. but the whole structuring, the do. but the whole structuring, tne wav— do. but the whole structuring, tne vvav tts— do. but the whole structuring, the way it's done,— do. but the whole structuring, the way it's done, it just needs to the way it's done, it just needs te te— the way it's done, it just needs te te etangeet— the way it's done, it just needs to be changed. it— the way it's done, it just needs to be changed. it can't carry on tree— to be changed. it can't carry on ttte tnat— to be changed. it can't carry on like that really— to be changed. it can't carry on like that really seriously. and aetuattv— like that really seriously. and actually striking— like that really seriously. and actually striking is probably going— actually striking is probably getng te— actually striking is probably getng te mate— actually striking is probably going to make things a whole lot worse.-now-time. worse. but right now it's time for worse. but right now it's time ter tne— worse. but right now it's time for the great— worse. but right now it's time for the great british debate tnts— for the great british debate tnts neur— for the great british debate this hour. and— for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, sneutt— this hour. and i'm asking, should-and- this hour. and i'm asking,- should-and inclusion should diversity and inclusion be should diversity and inclusion tee-at— should diversity and inclusion tee-at tne— should diversity and inclusion be-at the king's- be a priority at the king's coronation?— be a priority at the king's coronation? now, coronation? now now, king enartes— coronation? now now, king charles reportedly at charles is reportedly at loggerheads- charles is reportedly at- loggerheads-church of loggerheads with the church of tngtant— loggerheads with the church of tngtant-rete- loggerheads with the church of england role other england over the role other tattns— england over the role other tattns vvtt— england over the role other faiths will play— england over the role other faiths will play in his coronation- faiths will play in his coronation next month. king coronation next month. the king has coronation next month. the king nas mate— coronation next month. the king has made-secret— coronation next month. the king has made-secret of- coronation next month. the king has made secret of his desire has made no secret of his desire to has made no secret of his desire te nave— has made no secret of his desire te nave a— has made no secret of his desire te nave a mere— has made no secret of his desire to have a more diverse ceremony tnan— to have a more diverse ceremony tnan ms— to have a more diverse ceremony mm mm metner— to have a more diverse ceremony than his mother did— to have a more diverse ceremony than his mother did in 1953. but at than his mother did in1953. but at emen— than his mother did in 1953. but at church, leaders— than his mother did in 1953. but at church, leaders are repenettv— at church, leaders are reportedly resisting a more aettve— reportedly resisting a more aettve rete— reportedly resisting a more active role for— reportedly resisting a more active role for other faiths, net— active role for other faiths, net only— active role for other faiths, not only because it's an xngttean— not only because it's an anglican ceremony, but also

teeause— anglican ceremony, but also teeause ete— anglican ceremony, but also because old canon laws bar trusttm.— because old canon laws bar muslim, hindu,— because old canon laws bar muslim, hindu, jewish and other tattn— muslim, hindu, jewish and other faith leaders— muslim, hindu, jewish and other faith leaders from _ muslim, hindu, jewish and other faith leaders from reading prayers— faith leaders from reading prayers during— faith leaders from reading prayers during the ceremony. so vvnat— prayers during the ceremony. so vvnat te— prayers during the ceremony. so vvnat te veu— prayers during the ceremony. so what do you think? for the great ertttsn— what do you think? for the great british debate— what do you think? for the great british debate this— what do you think? for the great british debate this hour? i'm asttng— british debate this hour? i'm asking, should— british debate this hour? i'm asking, should diversity and tnetusten— asking, should diversity and inclusion be— asking, should diversity and inclusion be a— asking, should diversity and inclusion be a priority at the ttng-s— inclusion be a priority at the king's coronation? so to debate tnts— king's coronation? so to debate tnts tm— king's coronation? so to debate tnts. rm retnet— king's coronation? so to debate this, i'm joined by— king's coronation? so to debate this, i'm joined by ben habib for this, i'm joined by ben habib ter emte— this, i'm joined by ben habib for member of— this, i'm joined by ben habib for member of reform uk and termer— for member of reform uk and termer tntn— for member of reform uk and former mep, former labour mp tennts— former mep, former labour mp dennis mcshane— former mep, former labour mp dennis mcshane and director of eetse.— dennis mcshane and director of eetse. tets— dennis mcshane and director of cop26, lois perry,— dennis mcshane and director of cop26, lois perry, and royal commentator— cop26, lois perry, and royal commentator sir— cop26, lois perry, and royal commentator sir michael cole. memet.— commentator sir michael cole. trtenaet. t— commentator sir michael cole. michael, i want— commentator sir michael cole. michael, i want to— commentator sir michael cole. michael, i want to start with veu— michael, i want to start with veu. trtetaet— michael, i want to start with you. michael, what do you think ateut— you. michael, what do you think ateut tnts— you. michael, what do you think about this, this— you. michael, what do you think about this, this multi—faith appreaen— about this, this multi—faith appreaen e — about this, this multi—faith approach ? the- about this, this multi—faith approach ? “cg about this, this multi—faith- approach ? the important thing to approach? the important thing to say from the start, nana is none of the religious leaders in this country is actually asking for an active role in the coronation . and of course, they're all going— . and of course, they're all getng te— . and of course, they're all getng te te— and of course, they're all going to be present in the abbey . ant— going to be present in the abbey . ant mere— going to be present in the abbey . and more than— going to be present in the abbey . and more than that,- going to be present in the abbey . and more than that, the king hasianed . and more than that, the king has invited the chief rabbi, ephraim mirvis , to actually stay ephraim mirvis, to actually stay overnight at clarence house because the coronation takes

place on the jewish sabbath . place on the jewish sabbath. and he would be forbidden to traver— and he would be forbidden to travet tn— and he would be forbidden to travet tn a— and he would be forbidden to travel in a car.— and he would be forbidden to travel in a car. he— and he would be forbidden to travel in a car. he can walk vvttn— travel in a car. he can walk vvttn tts— travel in a car. he can walk with his wife— travel in a car. he can walk with his wife to— travel in a car. he can walk with his wife to the abbey . so with his wife to the abbey. so all with his wife to the abbey. so at et— with his wife to the abbey. so at et tnese— with his wife to the abbey. so all of those religious leaders vvtt— all of those religious leaders vvttt te— all of those religious leaders will be there. _ all of those religious leaders will be there. and let's let's teet— will be there. and let's let's teet at— will be there. and let's let's look at this— will be there. and let's let's look at this from _ will be there. and let's let's look at this from its historical petnt— look at this from its historical petnt et— look at this from its historical petnt et vtevv— look at this from its historical point of view. a— look at this from its historical point of view. a constitutional menaretv— point of view. a constitutional monarchy, which— point of view. a constitutional monarchy, which we're lucky eneugn— monarchy, which we're lucky eneugn te— monarchy, which we're lucky enough to live— monarchy, which we're lucky enough to live in, is an invaluable— enough to live in, is an invaluable defence against extersm— invaluable defence against extremism and— invaluable defence against extremism and dictatorship. and the coronation— extremism and dictatorship. and the coronation is— extremism and dictatorship. and the coronation is the supreme ant— the coronation is the supreme ant tne— the coronation is the supreme ant tne mest— the coronation is the supreme and the most important moment in it. and the most important moment in t. tts— and the most important moment in t. tt-s att— and the most important moment in it. it's all about— and the most important moment in it. it's all about loyalty , i.e. it. it's all about loyalty, i.e. tne— it. it's all about loyalty, i.e. tne ttng— it. it's all about loyalty, i.e. tne ttng ts— it. it's all about loyalty, i.e. the king is invited to express his the king is invited to express nts tevattv— the king is invited to express his loyalty and— the king is invited to express his loyalty and swear an oath of tevattv— his loyalty and swear an oath of tevattv te— his loyalty and swear an oath of tevattv te eet.— his loyalty and swear an oath of loyalty to god, to— his loyalty and swear an oath of loyalty to god, to the people, ant— loyalty to god, to the people, ant te — loyalty to god, to the people, ant te tne — loyalty to god, to the people, and to the church— loyalty to god, to the people, and to the church . and the and to the church. and the enuren— and to the church. and the enuren tn— and to the church. and the church in this— and to the church. and the church in this case is the angttean— church in this case is the anglican church, the protestant tattn— anglican church, the protestant tattn ant— anglican church, the protestant tattn ant tne— anglican church, the protestant faith and the protestant faith . faith and the protestant faith. veu— faith and the protestant faith. veu ean— faith and the protestant faith. veu argue— faith and the protestant faith. you can argue it— faith and the protestant faith. you can argue it one way or the emen— you can argue it one way or the etner. tut— you can argue it one way or the etner. tut ter— you can argue it one way or the other, but for 550— you can argue it one way or the other, but for 550 years that's teen — other, but for 550 years that's teen gutte— other, but for 550 years that's teen gutte a— other, but for 550 years that's been quite a good thing as far as tnts— been quite a good thing as far as this country— been quite a good thing as far as this country has been concerned.— as this country has been concerned. and it's a 1000 year ete— concerned. and it's a 1000 year ett eeremenv— concerned. and it's a 1000 year old ceremony and— concerned. and it's a 1000 year old ceremony and if it is interfered— old ceremony and if it is interfered with in any material

way,— interfered with in any material wayv unten— interfered with in any material vvav. vvnten t— interfered with in any material way, which i don't think it will be, way, which i don't think it will be tt— way, which i don't think it will be tt neute— way, which i don't think it will be, it would to— way, which i don't think it will be, it would to be— way, which i don't think it will be, it would to be some extent tttutet— be, it would to be some extent tttutet .— be, it would to be some extent tttutet . ant— be, it would to be some extent diluted, and that— be, it would to be some extent diluted , and that would be an diluted, and that would be an extraordinarily— diluted, and that would be an extraordinarily bad idea . extraordinarily bad idea. but vvnat— extraordinarily bad idea. but vvtat vveutu— extraordinarily bad idea. but what would you _ extraordinarily bad idea. but what would you say- extraordinarily bad idea. but what would you say to - extraordinarily bad idea. but what would you say to somebody who says but what he's trying to do because he said he will be a sort of a multi—faith king type thing. i mean, that's what he's kind pitched stall at. kind of pitched his stall at. yeah, well, there's a possibility- yeah, well, there's a possibility of having another ceremony with— possibility of having another ceremony with religious leaders and ceremony with religious leaders ant getng— ceremony with religious leaders and going through a very good process, which— and going through a very good process, which would satisfy tnem. — process, which would satisfy tnem. tut— process, which would satisfy tnem. tut veu— process, which would satisfy them. but you know, the people vte-ven— them. but you know, the people who've come to— them. but you know, the people who've come to this country have come here presumably for one reason, and that's— come here presumably for one reason, and that's because they tntnt— reason, and that's because they tntnt tnere-s— reason, and that's because they think there's something quite geet— think there's something quite geet ateut— think there's something quite geet ateut tt— think there's something quite good about it .— think there's something quite good about it . and one of the good about it. and one of the geet— good about it. and one of the geet tntngs— good about it. and one of the good things about it is the eeenaten— good things about it is the coronation ocean, which is the emtettment— coronation ocean, which is the. embodiment—believe coronation ocean, which is the- embodiment_believe in embodiment of what we believe in in embodiment of what we believe in tn-eeuntrv. — in this country. it's a frightfully- in this country. it's a frightfully important moment. it's frightfully important moment. tt-s net— frightfully important moment. tt-s net rust— frightfully important moment. it's not just marching bands and tea parttes— it's not just marching bands and tea pantes ant— it's not just marching bands and tea parties and a— it's not just marching bands and tea parties and a concert at vvtntser— tea parties and a concert at windsor castle— tea parties and a concert at windsor castle .— tea parties and a concert at windsor castle . it is central to windsor castle. it is central to vvnat— windsor castle. it is central to vvnat tnts— windsor castle. it is central to what this country— windsor castle. it is central to what this country is. and that supreme— what this country is. and that supreme moment should not be in any nav— supreme moment should not be in any way materially— supreme moment should not be in any way materially affected for

wett— any way materially affected for vvett .— any way materially affected for vvett . ter— any way materially affected for well , for what?— any way materially affected for well , for what? i— any way materially affected for well , for what? i don't think well, for what? i don't think tnese— well, for what? i don't think even these religious leaders are asttng— even these religious leaders are asttng ter— even these religious leaders are asking for that. _ even these religious leaders are asking for that. so— even these religious leaders are asking for that. so to some extent.— asking for that. so to some extent. tnts— asking for that. so to some extent, this is— asking for that. so to some extent, this is a— asking for that. so to some extent, this is a confected sterv. — extent, this is a confected sterv. wett— extent, this is a confected story. well, let- extent, this is a confected story. rnli.. extent, this is a confected story. “cg “ story. well, let me bring in mike let me bring in lois perry. lois what's your thoughts on this ? yeah, i think, you know , this? yeah, i think, you know, king charles has been in trouble before for saying i want to be defender of the faith. and he actually used one— defender of the faith. and he actually used one of- defender of the faith. and he actually used one of his- cc and he actually used one of his actual test— actually used one of his actual ttrst speeen— actually used one of his actual first speech to— actually used one of his actual first speech to say, i am going to first speech to say, i am going te eerent— first speech to say, i am going to defend the— first speech to say, i am going to defend the christian faith. t-m — to defend the christian faith. rm getng— to defend the christian faith. rm getng te— to defend the christian faith. i'm going to defender of the i'm going to be defender of the ram. — i'm going to be defender of the ram. wnen— i'm going to be defender of the faith. when he— i'm going to be defender of the faith. when he became king. you knew.— faith. when he became king. you knew. tt— faith. when he became king. you knew. tt tnts— faith. when he became king. you know, if this is— faith. when he became king. you know, if this is over— faith. when he became king. you know, if this is over turned and if know, if this is over turned and tr tne— know, if this is over turned and if the ceremony— know, if this is over turned and if the ceremony is— know, if this is over turned and if the ceremony is in any way rutnet— if the ceremony is in any way rutnet .— if the ceremony is in any way rutnet . veu— if the ceremony is in any way ruined , you know, one of my ruined, you know, one of my taveurtte— ruined, you know, one of my favourite historical figures, anne— favourite historical figures, anne tetevn— favourite historical figures, anne boleyn, would have lost her neat— anne boleyn, would have lost her neat ter— anne boleyn, would have lost her head for nothing— anne boleyn, would have lost her head for nothing because there vveuttn-t— head for nothing because there vveuttn-t te— head for nothing because there vveuttn-t be a— head for nothing because there wouldn't be a church of england vvttneut— wouldn't be a church of england vvttneut neu— wouldn't be a church of england without her, and— wouldn't be a church of england without her, and the king would not without her, and the king would net te— without her, and the king would net be neat— without her, and the king would not be head of— without her, and the king would not be head of the— without her, and the king would not be head of the church of tngtant— not be head of the church of tngtant ant— not be head of the church of england and defender of the ram— england and defender of the faith _either. i england and defender of thei faith _either. but england and defender of the. faith _either. but i faith without her either. but i mtnt— faith without her either. but i think there's— faith without her either. but i think there's a _ faith without her either. but i think there's a broader point. how you have hereditary how can you have a hereditary monarchy is in itself monarchy that is in itself unfair ? it's not woke, but unfair? it's not woke, but i stit— unfair? it's not woke, but i stttt suppert— unfair? it's not woke, but i still support it— unfair? it's not woke, but i still support it and- .. ”7 it's not woke, but i still support it and millions

te— still support it and millions te. tnat-s— still support it and millions do. that's trying to be inclusive _ do. that's trying to be inclusive and- do. that's trying to be inclusive and woke. of course, all inclusive and woke. of course, at et— inclusive and woke. of course, at et tne— inclusive and woke. of course, all of the religious leaders sneutt— all of the religious leaders sneutt te— all of the religious leaders should be represented , but there should be represented, but there sneutt— should be represented, but there sneutt te— should be represented, but there sneutt be me— should be represented, but there should be no active part in the servtee— should be no active part in the service whatsoever . this is a service whatsoever. this is a tnts— service whatsoever. this is a tnts ts— service whatsoever. this is a tnts ts tne— service whatsoever. this is a this is the church- service whatsoever. this is a this is the church of england. tnts— this is the church of england. tnts ts— this is the church of england. tnts ts ne— this is the church of england. tnts ts ne ts— this is the church of england. this is he is the— this is the church of england. this is he is the head of the enuren— this is he is the head of the enuren et— this is he is the head of the church of england. and just on anetner— church of england. and just on anetner petnt— church of england. and just on another point as— church of england. and just on another point as well, you know, net ee— another point as well, you know, net ts— another point as well, you know, net ts mv— another point as well, you know, net zero is my thing. there sneuttn-t— net zero is my thing. there shouldn't-any- net zero is my thing. there shouldn't any quasi shouldn't be any semi quasi rettgteus— shouldn't be any semi quasi religious stuff— shouldn't be any semi quasi religious stuff about net zero ant— religious stuff about net zero ant ettmate— religious stuff about net zero and climate either. we've had eneugn— and climate either. we've had eneugnltnat. — and climate either. we've had enough-that. we- and climate either. we've had enough that. we do not want enough of that. we do not want a vete— enough of that. we do not want a vvete ttng. — enough of that. we do not want a vvete ttng. ne— enough of that. we do not want a woke king. he might.- enough of that. we do not want a woke king. ti; cg“. rnli.. enough of that. we do not want a woke king. ti; cg“. �*isvtti.. woke king. he might. well, i'm afraid we've got one that says too late for that. let's bring in denis macshane. denis well, sorry, i've just got out a £2 coin, which has fid def, which short of the latin term defender of the faith, the danish defender was given to henry vii by a pope . in 1532 because he by a pope. in 1532 because he wrote a magnificent pamphlet saying down with protestantism, down with anglicanism . only the down with anglicanism. only the catholic church is— down with anglicanism. only the catholic church is the— down with anglicanism. only the catholic church is the true- catholic church is the true enuren. — catholic church is the true church. now,— catholic church is the true church. now, i— catholic church is the true church. now, i was very struck tnat— church. now, i was very struck tnat t— church. now, i was very struck tnat t was— church. now, i was very struck tnat t verv— church. now, i was very struck that i was very struck that the

ttng— that i was very struck that the ttng vvnen— that i was very struck that the xtng vvnen ne— that i was very struck that the king when he was prince charles, trtnee— king when he was prince charles, trtnee et— king when he was prince charles, prince of wales— king when he was prince charles, prince of wales ,— king when he was prince charles, prince of wales , said he'd like prince of wales, said he'd like to prince of wales, said he'd like te te— prince of wales, said he'd like to be defender— prince of wales, said he'd like to be defender of— prince of wales, said he'd like to be defender of faith in the pturat— to be defender of faith in the pturat .— to be defender of faith in the plural , respecting all religions plural, respecting all religions . i plural, respecting all religions . t tneugnt— plural, respecting all religions . i thought that— plural, respecting all religions . i thought that was quite a geet— . i thought that was quite a good statement— . i thought that was quite a good statement of his. and i'm ratner— good statement of his. and i'm ratner sat— good statement of his. and i'm rather sad that— good statement of his. and i'm rather sad that all— good statement of his. and i'm rather sad that all the catholics— rather sad that all the catholics of - rather sad that all the catholics of britain who didn't come here, michael , you know, come here, michael, you know, ute— come here, michael, you know, ttte vestertav— come here, michael, you know, like yesterday, they've been for tere— like yesterday, they've been for nere tenger— like yesterday, they've been for here longer maybe than you have. i here longer maybe than you have. t ten-t— here longer maybe than you have. t ten-t men— here longer maybe than you have. i don't know all— here longer maybe than you have. i don't know all the— here longer maybe than you have. i don't know all the catholics of i don't know all the catholics et trttatn— i don't know all the catholics et trttatn .— i don't know all the catholics of britain , the— i don't know all the catholics of britain , the many jews now, of britain, the many jews now, the of britain, the many jews now, tne etter— of britain, the many jews now, the older than _ of britain, the many jews now, the older than michael. well you teet— the older than michael. well you teet etter— the older than michael. well you look older than— the older than michael. well you look older than michael motty . look older than michael motty. tranv— look older than michael motty. many catholics— look older than michael motty. many catholics are all of them exetutet— many catholics are all of them excluded from _ many catholics are all of them excluded from the— many catholics are all of them excluded from the archbishop of eanterturv— excluded from the archbishop of eanterturv .— excluded from the archbishop of canterbury. minus one, excluded from the archbishop of canterbury . minus one, two, canterbury. minus one, two, met— canterbury. minus one, two, tnree. teur. — canterbury. minus one, two, three, four. robert runcie ratset— three, four. robert runcie ratset tne— three, four. robert runcie raised the issue that, according to raised the issue that, according te nngttean— raised the issue that, according to anglican law,— raised the issue that, according to anglican law, they cannot a ttng — to anglican law, they cannot crown a king erg, who marries a ttvereet— crown a king erg, who marries a ttvereet vveman— crown a king erg, who marries a divorced woman . _ crown a king erg, who marries a divorced woman . “it“cg divorced woman. so hang on. wait, wait. no, no, no. okay. right i wait, wait. no, no, no. okay. right i don't think we're going to get any sense out of you, of me and what he's talking couldn't bring them all in. terrific. terrific trot. we're ateut— terrific. terrific trot. we're ateut te— terrific. terrific trot. we're ateut te ge— terrific. terrific trot. we're about to go on— terrific. terrific trot. we're about to go on through the ttsten— about to go on through the

history books,— about to go on through the history books, but i mean, i tntnt— history books, but i mean, i tntnt tve-re— history books, but i mean, i think we're pretty much in think we're all pretty much in agreement. — think we're all pretty much in agreement. know, king agreement. you know, king enartes— agreement. you know, king charles-head— agreement. you know, king charles-head of- charles is head of constitutional of the constitutional head of the state.— constitutional head of the state. ant— constitutional head of the state, and he's- constitutional head of the state, and he's also head of the eturet— state, and he's also head of the enuren-tt-s— state, and he's also head of the church.-it's,-know,- state, and he's also head of the church. it's, know, the church. and it's, you know, the nngttean— church. and it's, you know, the anglican church. _ church. and it's, you know, the anglican church. and by all means, be inclusive and have peepte— means, be inclusive and have peepte at— means, be inclusive and have peepte at tne— means, be inclusive and have people at the ceremony that, you men.— people at the ceremony that, you knew. eaenes— people at the ceremony that, you know, reaches out— people at the ceremony that, you know, reaches out to the broader eemmunttv.— know, reaches out to the broader eemmunttv. tut— know, reaches out to the broader community. but it— know, reaches out to the broader community. but it mustn't be in any— community. but it mustn't be in any way. — community. but it mustn't be in any way. tnts— community. but it mustn't be in any way. tnts ts— community. but it mustn't be in any way. tnts ts a— community. but it mustn't be in any way. this is a very solemn eeremenv tetng— any way. this is a very solemn ceremony being conducted in tnreugn— ceremony being conducted in tnreugn. you— ceremony being conducted in through, you know, the church of tngtant. — through, you know, the church of tngtant. nnt— through, you know, the church of england. and that's how it sneutt— england. and that's how it sneutt te. — england. and that's how it should be. you- england. and that's how it should be. /tit. 7 should be. you think so? so let me see. so pretty much all of you agree that king charles shouldn't be bringing in these other faiths in an active manner on them? you know, disagree. on them? you know, i disagree. disagree. well we never on them? you know, i disagree. dise'to ee. well we never on them? you know, i disagree. dise'to it, well we never on them? you know, i disagree. dise'to it, did well we never on them? you know, i disagree. dise'to it, did we? .l we never on them? you know, i disagree. dise'to it, did we? hee never on them? you know, i disagree. dise'to it, did we? he disagrees got to it, did we? he disagrees . this is what. well, come on. i can't just be. it's so sacred that actually it has to be done privately where he is anointed andifs privately where he is anointed and it's seen as such a sacred part of the ceremony that it's actually done in private. it's just between him and- just between him and god. and it's just between him and god. and its an— just between him and god. and its an tts— just between him and god. and its an is an— just between him and god. and it's an it's an anglican ceremony. and we are an anglican

eeuntrv.— ceremony. and we are an anglican eeuntrv. vvett— ceremony. and we are an anglican country. well well— ceremony. and we are an anglican country. well well said lois. t-m — country. well well said lois. t-m att— country. well well said lois. m at t— country. well well said lois. i'm all i don't— country. well well said lois. i'm all i don't really- country. well well said lois. i'm all i don't really if- country. well well said lois. i'm all i don't really if they want to take him away and drop a bit of oil on his head, we're the last monarchy in britain, the last monarchy in britain, the only one in the world that has these coronation. this coronation. we had coronation. we haven't had one for, 70 years? we'll do it for, what, 70 years? we'll do it very well. we love pageants. we love trooping and love colour and trooping and soldiers the of it. soldiers and all the rest of it. but but i just do think i would like to see the catholics of britain there. some acknowledged that the jews of britain, the muslims of britain, hindus, buddhists , suella braverman, buddhists, suella braverman, whoever we are, a multi—faith community. and that's one of our strengths. you keep bringing suetta— strengths. you keep bringing suella braverman _ cg you keep bringing suella braverman and come on, trtenaet— suella braverman and come on, trtenaet eete.— suella braverman and come on, michael cole, michael yes, well . tennts— michael cole, michael yes, well . tennts nas— michael cole, michael yes, well , dennis was dropped his drop of oil , dennis was dropped his drop of ett en— , dennis was dropped his drop of ett en tt— , dennis was dropped his drop of ett en tt ant— , dennis was dropped his drop of oil on it and tried— , dennis was dropped his drop of oil on it and tried to trivialise_ oil on it and tried to trivialise it,- oil on it and tried to trivialise it, but the archbishop - trivialise it, but the archbishop of westminster, the reader— archbishop of westminster, the teater et— archbishop of westminster, the leader of the _ archbishop of westminster, the leader of the catholic church in tngtant— leader of the catholic church in tngtant .— leader of the catholic church in tngtant . ne— leader of the catholic church in england , he isn't— leader of the catholic church in england , he isn't campaigning to england, he isn't campaigning to take— england, he isn't campaigning to take part. — england, he isn't campaigning to take pan. ne— england, he isn't campaigning to take part. he knows— england, he isn't campaigning to take part. ti; i“ i take part. he knows his place. he knows his history, and he knows what's to be gained. i can

continuity. and that's what this is all about. and the anointing is all about. and the anointing is extremely important because after the king will be anointed , he will be invested with the symbols of power and authority, not for his own glory, but in the to the glory of god and in the to the glory of god and in the service of the people . lois the service of the people. lois . lois. sorry. lois yeah, just absolutely agree. he's doing this ceremony— absolutely agree. he's doing this ceremony .— absolutely agree. he's doing this ceremony. he- absolutely agree. he's doing this ceremony. he is- .tigt titcgititi; he's doing this ceremony. he is not for teurtsts— this ceremony. he is not for teurtsts .— this ceremony. he is not for tourists . it's— this ceremony. he is not for tourists. it's for— this ceremony. he is not for tourists . it's for us. and he this ceremony. he is not for tourists. it's for us. and he is anetntet— tourists. it's for us. and he is anetntet by— tourists. it's for us. and he is anointed by god— tourists. it's for us. and he is anointed by god .— tourists. it's for us. and he is anointed by god . and yeah, it's. anointed by god. and yeah, it's. it's anointed by god. and yeah, it's. tt-s saeet — anointed by god. and yeah, it's. tt-s saeet tt— anointed by god. and yeah, it's. it's sacred. it needs— anointed by god. and yeah, it's. it's sacred. it needs to stay tne— it's sacred. it needs to stay tne same— it's sacred. it needs to stay tne .— it's sacred. it needs to stay the same . all— it's sacred. it needs to stay the same . all the faiths should the same. all the faiths should be tnere— the same. all the faiths should be tnere .— the same. all the faiths should be tnere . tut— the same. all the faiths should be there , but only the church of be there, but only the church of tngtant— be there, but only the church of england should— be there, but only the church of england should be running the eeremenv tt— england should be running the ceremony. it is— england should be running the ceremony. it is an— england should be running the ceremony. it is an anglican ceremony. yeah— ceremony. it is an anglican ceremony. yeah he shouldn't ruin it. ceremony. yeah he shouldn't ruin tt. vve— ceremony. yeah he shouldn't ruin t. we mustn-t— ceremony. yeah he shouldn't ruin it. we mustn't have— ceremony. yeah he shouldn't ruin it. we mustn't have the woke ttng— it. we mustn't have the woke ttng ant— it. we mustn't have the woke ttng ant tne— it. we mustn't have the woke king and the woke coronation in ten seeenst — king and the woke coronation in ten seconds. to— king and the woke coronation in ten seconds. titi“ i ten seconds. to denis macshane. basically michael and lois know far more about this than the faith and the royals than i do as a catholic. does the king go to as a catholic. does the king go te enuren— as a catholic. does the king go te enuren eveev— ti. does the king go to church every sunday? i know we ntm — to church every sunday? i know we saw him today,— to church every sunday? i know we saw him today, michael. t we saw him today, michael. does he ge— we saw him today, michael. does te ge eveev—

we saw him today, michael. does he go every sunday? he- we saw him today, michael. t cgit “cs7 he does. the he go every sunday? he does. the tmpertant— he go every sunday? he does. the tmpenant rung,— he go every sunday? he does. the important thing, dennis,- he go every sunday? he does. the important thing, dennis, is- important thing, dennis, is tnts— important thing, dennis, is tnts tnat— important thing, dennis, is this, that this— important thing, dennis, is this, that this is a sacred, atmest— this, that this is a sacred, atmest a— this, that this is a sacred, almost a marriage between the menaen— almost a marriage between the menaen ant— almost a marriage between the monarch and the— almost a marriage between the monarch and the people of this eeuntrv— monarch and the people of this eeuntrv ant— monarch and the people of this country and his— monarch and the people of this country and his overseas realms . mere-s— country and his overseas realms . tnere-s even— country and his overseas realms . tnere-s a— country and his overseas realms . there's even a ring that is but— . there's even a ring that is put en— . there's even a ring that is put en tts— . there's even a ring that is put on his finger. the vows are reettet— put on his finger. the vows are recited aloud— put on his finger. the vows are recited aloud so— put on his finger. the vows are recited aloud so that everybody near— recited aloud so that everybody can hear them— recited aloud so that everybody can hear them .— recited aloud so that everybody can hear them . and then he's a can hear them. and then he's a aeetatm— can hear them. and then he's a aeetatm ant— can hear them. and then he's a acclaim and that— can hear them. and then he's a acclaim and that would never nappen— acclaim and that would never nappen tn— acclaim and that would never nappen tn tne— acclaim and that would never happen in the romanoffs or the hohenzollerns_ happen in the romanoffs or the hohenzollerns or— happen in the romanoffs or the hohenzollerns or the habsburgs of hohenzollerns or the habsburgs ettustrta— hohenzollerns or the habsburgs of austria. it's— hohenzollerns or the habsburgs of austria. it's not— hohenzollerns or the habsburgs of austria. it's not democratic, tut— of austria. it's not democratic, tut tt— of austria. it's not democratic, tut tt nas— of austria. it's not democratic, but it has elements of democracy in but it has elements of democracy tn rt.— but it has elements of democracy tn tt. ne— but it has elements of democracy tn tt. ne nas— but it has elements of democracy tn tt. ne nas te— but it has elements of democracy in it. he has to be— but it has elements of democracy in it. he has to be acclaimed. nnt— in it. he has to be acclaimed. ant vve— in it. he has to be acclaimed. and we welcome— in it. he has to be acclaimed. and we welcome him as our king. ant— and we welcome him as our king. ant unen— and we welcome him as our king. ant vvnen vve— and we welcome him as our king. ant vvnen vve sav— and we welcome him as our king. and when we say long live the xtng— and when we say long live the ttng vve— and when we say long live the king we should— and when we say long live the king we should mean it. thank you verv— king we should mean it. thank you very maen— king we should mean it. thank you very much. thank you so much, michael cole. lovely to talk to you. michael cole, he is of course, a royal commentator. lois perry from carl, 26. dennis mcshane, labour mp and mcshane, former labour mp and also ben habib, former mep and aukus member of reform. so what do you think? what are your tneugnts— do you think? what are your thoughts here— do you think? what are your thoughts here with- cit “

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the evil queen in a stage production of snow white. can you guess who she is? then for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should diversity and inclusion be the priority of the king's coronation? that's on the way

next welcome back. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. make sure you download the gb news app where you can check out this show and all the other programmes on the channel i'm nana akua and just coming nana akua and it's just coming up to 41 minutes after 4:00 and we return to our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking should diversity and inclusion be priority at the king's be a priority at the king's coronation? now king charles is reportedly at odds with the church england over the role church of england over the role that leaders will that other faith leaders will play that other faith leaders will play in his coronation next month. the kyiv king has expressed a desire to have a

more religiously culturally more religiously and culturally diverse coronation his diverse coronation than his mother did back in 1953. but church leaders are reportedly resisting a more active role for other faiths . so what do you other faiths. so what do you think? should other faiths be involved actively? so for the great british debate, this hour, i'm should diversity and i'm asking, should diversity and inclusion be a priority at the king's well, let's king's coronation? well, let's see panel make of that. see what my panel make of that. let's welcome again. let's welcome them back again. author broadcaster christine let's welcome them back again. author and oadcaster christine let's welcome them back again. author andoadce'journalisttine let's welcome them back again. author andoadce'journalist and hamilton and also journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. christine what is your thoughts on the whole idea of this? well, everybody is going to be mere.— well, everybody is going to be mere-getng- well, everybody is going to be mere-getng te- well, everybody is going to be there. going to be an there. there's going to be an atsetute— there. there's going to be an absolute welcome faiths, absolute welcome of all faiths, but absolute welcome of all faiths, tut tnev— absolute welcome of all faiths, but they should— absolute welcome of all faiths, but they should not have any pari— but they should not have any panlreattng— but they should not have any part reading lessons or doing part in reading lessons or doing pravers— part in reading lessons or doing pravers er— part in reading lessons or doing prayers or anything like that. it prayers or anything like that. ttlevervtetv. — prayers or anything like that. it everybody. they've said it it is everybody. they've said it . veuve— it is everybody. they've said it . veuve rust— it is everybody. they've said it . you've just been— it is everybody. they've said it . you've just been talking about it. . you've just been talking about t. -enrtsttan— . you've just been talking about it. christian ceremony . it. it's a christian ceremony. tne— it. it's a christian ceremony. the extraordinary thing to me, atsetute— the extraordinary thing to me, absolute extraordinary. is that vvnat— absolute extraordinary. is that vvnat t— absolute extraordinary. is that vvnat t eatt— absolute extraordinary. is that what i call because my husband eatts— what i call because my husband eatts mm— what i call because my husband calls him that— what i call because my husband calls him that the— what i call because my husband calls him that the arch bedwetter_ calls him that the arch bedwetter of - calls him that the arch bedwetter of canterbury, who has attevvet— bedwetter of canterbury, who has allowed-about— bedwetter of canterbury, who has allowed about every other allowed just about every other tenet— allowed just about every other tenet et— allowed just about every other tenet of faith— allowed just about every other tenet of faith to— allowed just about every other tenet of faith to be overlooked . ne— tenet of faith to be overlooked . ne nas— tenet of faith to be overlooked . he has-really— tenet of faith to be overlooked . he has really provided . he has not really provided vvnat— . he has not really provided unat-mtgnt— . he has not really provided what might strong what you might call strong teatersntp— what you might call strongi leadership—of leadership to the church of tngtant—

leadership to the church of tngtant .— leadership to the church of england ,-leapt- leadership to the church of england , leapt and taken england, has leapt in and taken up-eutgets— england, has leapt in and taken up-eutgets en— england, has leapt in and taken up cudgels on this. so for up the cudgels on this. so for once, i'm absolutely on his state.— once, i'm absolutely on his stte.|nave— once, i'm absolutely on his side. i have l secret - once, i'm absolutely on his side. have secret suspicion side. i have a secret suspicion in side. i have a secret suspicion tn tnat— side. i have a secret suspicion in that camilla— side. i have a secret suspicion in that camilla is— side. i have a secret suspicion in that camilla is on his side as-tust— in that camilla is on his side as-r-ust te- in that camilla is on his side as-r-ust te .- in that camilla is on his side as-r-ust te . vinyl as well. so i just do. why, enartes— as well. so i just do. why, enartes t— as well. so i just do. why, charles, i think,- as well. so i just do. why, charles, i think, is a sort of tene— charles, i think, is a sort of tene vee— charles, i think, is a sort of lone voice on— charles, i think, is a sort of lone voice on all- charles, i think, is a sort of lone voice on all this. and i rust— lone voice on all this. and i rust prav— lone voice on all this. and i rust prav tnat— lone voice on all this. and i just pray that he— lone voice on all this. and i just pray that he is overruled teeause— just pray that he is overruled teeause tt— just pray that he is overruled because it would _ just pray that he is overruled because it would be absolutely vvreng— because it would be absolutely vvreng t— because it would be absolutely vvreng t ean-t— because it would be absolutely wrong. i can't understand it . wrong. i can't understand it. tne— wrong. i can't understand it. tne ttng— wrong. i can't understand it. tne ttng tne— wrong. i can't understand it. the king the answer to the guestten— the king the answer to the guestten .— the king the answer to the question . well,— the king the answer to the question . well, i would hope question. well, i would hope tnat— question. well, i would hope tnat tne— question. well, i would hope that the archbishop of canterbury— that the archbishop of canterbury could effectively overrule him _ canterbury could effectively overrule him when it when it te— overrule him when it when it comes to this— overrule him when it when it comes to this issue. he does go to comes to this issue. he does go te enuren— comes to this issue. he does go te enuren eveev— comes to this issue. he does go to church every sunday, by the way,— to church every sunday, by the veae—nets- to church every sunday, by the veae—ne-s-tn- to church every sunday, by the. way,_he's-in some way, because if he's not in some smart— way, because if he's not in some smart ptaee— way, because if he's not in some sman ptaee. ne— way, because if he's not in some smart place, he goes to the vtttage— smart place, he goes to the vtttage next— smart place, he goes to the village next-to - smart place, he goes to the village next to us. oh, village next door to us. oh, really? — village next door to us. oh, really? tes.— village next door to us. oh, really? yes. i— village next door to us. oh, really? “tilt? i disagree with really? yes. i disagree with enttne.— really? yes. i disagree with christine, which _ really? yes. i disagree with christine, which is- really? “tilt? idisagree with christine, which is very rare teeause— christine, which is very rare becauseidon't_ christine, which is very rare because don't think there because i don't think there meets— because i don't think there neetslte— because i don't think there needs-be any-of. needs to be any sort of rettgteus— needs to be any sort of religious diversity or token tnetusten— religious diversity or token . inclusion-religious inclusion with other religious tattts— inclusion with other religious tattns. _wby- - faiths. i don't see why. congregation course, congregation well, of course, but congregation well, of course, tut—eeae.- congregation well, of course, but—okay tutl congregation well, of course,l but—okay, but once but once you open okay, but once you— but once you open okay, but once veu-te— but once you open okay, but once veu-te aeeept— but once you open okay, but once you -to accept-there- you have to accept that there are different— you have to accept that there are different denominations and rettgteus— are different denominations and religious faiths— are different denominations and religious faiths which are going to religious faiths which are going te te— religious faiths which are going to be represented— religious faiths which are going to be represented there, then veue— to be represented there, then veutre getng— to be represented there, then veutre getng-sav- to be represented there, then you're going say, okay, well, you're going to say, okay, well, why— you're going to say, okay, well, why-we— you're going to say, okay, well, unv-vve nave— you're going to say, okay, well, why we have disabled why don't we have disabled peepte— why don't we have disabled people represented? .. people represented? they will re. why— people represented? they will te. why ten-te— people represented? they will be. why don't? well- people represented? “tigt .. why don't? well how do you be. why don't? well how do you men— be. why don't? well how do you

knew-mett— be. why don't? well how do you know-well, because- be. why don't? well how do youj know _well, because there know that? well, because there was list other day about was a list the other day about about people who've been about the people who've been ianed about the people who've been invited in, the various organisations. okay. but my point that organisations. okay. but my point-thatlthen- organisations. okay. but my point-thatlthen you- organisations. okay. but my. point-thatlthen you leave point is that is then you leave tne— point is that is then you leave tne teet— point is that is then you leave the door wide _ point is that is then you leave the door wide open to criticism. why— the door wide open to criticism. wry-taven-t— the door wide open to criticism. mte-taven-t eeu— the door wide open to criticism. why-haven't you _thisj why you haven't you invited this group people? what about the group of people? what about the seetetegtstse— sociologists? scientologists, scientologists? sociologists? scientologists, scie knightsts? _ sociologists? scientologists, scie knights or _ sociologists? scientologists, scie

sex. we're talking— know that as well. that's that's sex. we're talking about rettgten— sex. we're talking about religion. paganism. oh no. but you— religion. paganism. oh no. but vea—ateut- you were talking about disability well. so yeah, i'm disability as well. so yeah, i'm tatttng— disability as well. so yeah, i'm tatttng-t-m— disability as well. so yeah, i'm talking-i'm talking- c . .gt so yeah, i'm talking i'm talking about talking about i'm talking about mtnerttv— minority groups or representatives. but no, no, enure— representatives. but no, no, you're the point. you're going off the point. we're talking religions, we're talking about religions, various get various religions. no, i get that. get so but if he is that. get that. so but if he is having a hindu, a buddhist, etc, in the well, presumably he's inviting some some pagans. the people who worship stonehenge people who worship at stonehenge . dennis a good point. the . dennis made a good point. the humanists of all of . dennis made a good point. the humanists-of all of them. l humanists list of all of them. ter— humanists list of all of them. for-i— humanists list of all of them. tar-t agree— humanists list of all of them. for-i agree-dennis. for once, i agree with dennis. what about catholics? what about catholics? hmm. well, i think i tntnt— catholics? hmm. well, i think i tntntineet— catholics? hmm. well, i think i tntntineet a— catholics? hmm. well, i think i think-need a list— catholics? hmm. well, i think i think-need a list of- catholics? hmm. well, i think i think-need a list of the- think we need a list of the rats— think we need a list of the tattns-get- think we need a list of the faiths got going of faiths that he's got going of course, he might have course, because he might have got course, because he might have get-etners— course, because he might have. got-others-missed got some others that he's missed out got some others that he's missed eut — got some others that he's missed eut ttts— got some others that he's missed eut tnts ts— got some others that he's missed out on. this is my— got some others that he's missed out on. this is my this is my petnt. — out on. this is my this is my petnt. tne— out on. this is my this is my point. ' ti.“it point. the archbishop of westminster be there. why westminster will be there. why don't you go quote .. why don't you go quote unquote, vvetee — don't you go quote unquote, woke? _always- don't you go quote unquote, woke? cgit “cg don't you go quote unquote,. woke? _always going to woke? you're always going to leave open to leave yourself wide open to criticism because there's somebody you've who somebody else who you've not who you've not included and all of a sudden, oh, not inclusive sudden, oh, you're not inclusive or not inclusive. or the king's not inclusive. what me? a transgender what about me? i'm a transgender activist disabled. what activist who's disabled. what about guy who wears about me? i'm the guy who wears knight about me? knight bras. what about me? nike, darling, not nike. you eeutt— nike, darling, not nike. you eeutt-vvear- nike, darling, not nike. you could-wear one.- could probably wear one. enrtsttne— could probably wear one. christine _ could probably wear one. christine . "g. could probably wear one. christine ' could probably wear one. - christine anyway. christine did you? madness. she was mentioning

that i've got to defend my i honestly, if anybody else i am not yours is showing by the way and i'm not wearing one. i'm. on and i'm not wearing one. i'm. oh yes, you are. because i can see. carry on carry on. telling her ett. — carry on carry on. telling her off. anyway, don't get distracted. nobody else would get away— distracted. nobody else would get away vvttn— distracted. nobody else would get away with the— c i: nobody else would get away with the comments you make— get away with the comments you make ateut— get away with the comments you make about doddie and i know tavtng— make about doddie and i know we're having fun.— make about doddie and i know we're having fun. _ make about doddie and i know we're having fun. �*tivt�*ti; iti; “cg we're having fun. we're having fun. you're going be very fun. you're going to be very sensible, you can talk sensible, but you can talk sometimes you do the same thing back, what your back, right? tony what are your thoughts? are the thoughts? so my thoughts are the xtng— thoughts? so my thoughts are the eng-rust— thoughts? so my thoughts are the xtng-rust stret— thoughts? so my thoughts are the king-just stick to- thoughts? so my thoughts are the king-just stick to of- king should just stick to of tne— king should just stick to of course, the anglican element of it. course, the anglican element of t. .tntnt— course, the anglican element of tt-tntnt see— course, the anglican element of it. .think so? oh,— course, the anglican element of it. think so? oh, very much it. you think so? oh, very much _te— it. you think so? oh, very much _te steutu- it. you think so? oh, very much so. _he should listen. it. you think so? oh, very muchj so. _he should listen to so. i think he should listen to his wife. well, she might not be savtng— his wife. well, she might not be savtng tnat. — his wife. well, she might not be savtng tnat. t— his wife. well, she might not be saying that. i bet— his wife. well, she might not be saying that. i bet she- i“ �*7ti well, she might not be saying that. c c saying that. i bet she did. don't know that. of course. i don't know that. i think- don't know that. i think she's antt—vvete. — don't know that. i think she's anti—woke. .think- don't know that. i think she's anti—woke. “5 anti—woke. i think she's anti—woke she said a few weeks ago that think, hey, ago that made me think, hey, she's side because prince she's on our side because prince philip, very anti—woke. philip, he was very anti—woke. so he was. yes, he was. yes, verv— so he was. yes, he was. yes, very anti—woke— so he was. yes, he was. yes, very anti—woke so it's interesting _ very anti—woke so it's interesting king charles very anti—woke so it's- interesting-king charles is interesting that king charles is so interesting that king charles is se-tnat— interesting that king charles is so _that manner,- interesting that king charles is so that manner, but so woke in that manner, but maybe— so woke in that manner, but mavte—ne- so woke in that manner, but. mavte—ne-tnat maybe he's right. he said that he maybe he's right. he said that ne-te— maybe he's right. he said that ne-te te— maybe he's right. he said that he to be everybody's he wants it to be everybody's ttng— he wants it to be everybody's ttng. se— he wants it to be everybody's ttng. se nets— he wants it to be everybody's king. so he's trying to be evervtttng— king. so he's trying to be everything. but that's fine,

eveenerv-ts- everything. but that's fine, everyone, is nice. but, everyone, which is nice. but, you— everyone, which is nice. but, veu-tne— everyone, which is nice. but, veu-tne reat- everyone, which is nice. but, you the real world, you know, in the real world, semetetv— you know, in the real world, somebody-but- somebody will say, but you tttn-t— somebody will say, but you tttn-t-us- somebody will say, but you didn't-uslyou. somebody will say, but you. didn't-uslyou didn't didn't include us or you didn't tnetute—te- didn't include us or you didn't include—be just. include us. and it'll be just ute— include us. and it'll be just like—pronouns. like the gender pronouns or venere— like the gender pronouns or vvnere—ttte. - where you've got like, what ateut— where you've got like, what ateut-enee— where you've got like, what about-one?-new| where you've got like, what- about-one?-new one about this one? and a new one keeps— about this one? and a new one teeps eemtng— about this one? and a new one teeps eemtng up— about this one? and a new one keeps coming up and new. he nets— keeps coming up and new. he nets-epentng— keeps coming up and new. he he's, opening himself he's, he's opening himself up. he-worms. can- he's, he's opening himself up. he _worms. can of. he's, he's opening himself up.- he _worms. can of worms he is can of worms. can of worms ant— he is can of worms. can of worms andifs he is can of worms. can of worms and it's totally wrong anyway. centuries be centuries of tradition will be thrown away if this is anything other purely anglican thrown away if this is anything other and purely anglican thrown away if this is anything other and plthe anglican service and for the survivability royal survivability of the royal family, i think it needs to stick tradition. i think stick to tradition. i think it has to stick to tradition. i think it has _to tradition. i stick to tradition. i think it- has-to tradition. once has to stick to tradition. once you— has to stick to tradition. once you start— has to stick to tradition. once you start getng— has to stick to tradition. once you start going the track you start going off the track of tradition, leave tradition, then you leave yourself again yourself wide open once again to say, well, this for me, say, well, okay, do this for me, do that for me. be like this, be ttte— do that for me. be like this, be ttte tnat. — do that for me. be like this, be like that. well,— cit be like this, be like that. �*tivtti;.. well, like that. well, listen. well, vean— like that. well, listen. well, vean wett— like that. well, listen. well, yeah, well, we'll— like that. well, listen. well, yeah, well, we'll see- like that. �*tivtti;.. . ’et.tii�*l�* well, yeah, well, we'll see what nappens.— yeah, well, we'll see what happens.imean,- yeah, well, we'll see what happens. mean, it's happens. i mean, look, it's a e— happens. i mean, look, it's a netten. — happens. i mean, look, it's a nice notion. what- happens. i mean, look, it's a nice notion. �*tivtt“it. ititi; ititit. nice notion. what are the real people saying? well, people out there saying? well, let's find out. this says- let's find out. this says netntng— let's find out. this says nothing about- let's find out. this says nothing about them, let's nothing about them, so let's teeene— nothing about them, so let'si vveteeme—tne nothing about them, so let's- welcome _the show. nothing about them, so let's- threate_the show. nothing about them, so let's- threate-voice-the show. nothing about them, so let's- threate-voice isithe show. nothing about them, so let's threate voice is their show. a great british voice is their eppenunttv— a great british voice is their opportunity-tell- a great british voice is their opportunity tell what they a great british voice is their opporabout tell what they a great british voice is their opporabout the ell what they a great british voice is their opporabout the topics what they a great british voice is their opporabout the topics we're they think about the topics we're ttseusstng. — think about the topics we're discussing. today discussing. and today we're going— discussing. and today we're. getng—reattert discussing. and today we're- going_watford to going to head over to watford to speak—vetee- speak to great british voice tavtt— speak to great british voicei tavtt—eeutt speak to great british voice- david_could only david balme. god, we could only get-tetav— david balme. god, we could only get-today because- get one voice today because i knew— get one voice today because i know-only— get one voice today because i know-only 4:00. - get one voice today because i know only 4:00. we've got know it's only 4:00. we've got anetner— know it's only 4:00. we've got. anetner—veu another hour. david, what do you tntnt— another hour. david, what do you mtne—tana- another hour. david, what do you tntnt—nana guvsl think about this? nana guys actually, to agree with actually, i happen to agree with everyone. we are in an anglican eeuntrv— everyone. we are in an anglican eeuntrv . — everyone. we are in an anglican

eeuntrv . tne— everyone. we are in an anglican country . the prince,- everyone. we are in an anglican country . the prince, king- country. the prince, king charles going to be the head charles is going to be the head of the church of england. but for he's always been for years he's always been tnetustve— for years he's always been inclusive of— for years he's always been inclusive of other religions . inclusive of other religions. nets— inclusive of other religions. ne-s gene— inclusive of other religions. nets gene te— inclusive of other religions. he's gone to synagogues, he's gene— he's gone to synagogues, he's geneltemptes— he's gone to synagogues, he's gone temples he's to gone to temples, he's gone to mosques, churches gone to temples, he's gone toi mosques,_churches . gone to temples, he's gone to- mosques,_churches . he mosques, as well as churches. he is mosques, as well as churches. he ts-mest— mosques, as well as churches. he is-most inclusive— mosques, as well as churches. he is most inclusive lviv is the most inclusive lviv menaen— is the most inclusive lviv monarch that— is the most inclusive lviv monarch that we've had. but the eeremenv ts— monarch that we've had. but the ceremony is has— monarch that we've had. but the ceremony is has to— monarch that we've had. but the ceremony is has to stick to the trattttenat— ceremony is has to stick to the traditional format.— ceremony is has to stick to the traditional format. the anetnttng— traditional format. the anointing is- traditional format. the anointing is by the archbishop of anointing is by the archbishop et eanterturv.— anointing is by the archbishop of canterbury, not by the arenttsnep— of canterbury, not by the archbishop of— of canterbury, not by the archbishop of westminster. and we nave— archbishop of westminster. and we nave te— archbishop of westminster. and we have to stick— archbishop of westminster. and we have to stick to that whole termat— we have to stick to that whole termat . — we have to stick to that whole format . otherwise- we have to stick to that whole format . tilit.“tiitrr we have to stick to that whole format . format. otherwise we lose part of our british identity . and if of our british identity. and if people don't like— of our british identity. and if people don't like it- of our british identity. and if people don't like it and- i . cti;“. .gt and if people don't like it and don't eaten— people don't like it and don't vvaten .— people don't like it and don't vvaten . vean— people don't like it and don't watch , yeah, yeah, i, i, yeah. watch, yeah, yeah, i, i, yeah. i watch, yeah, yeah, i, i, yeah. t ten-t— watch, yeah, yeah, i, i, yeah. t ten-t tnevv— watch, yeah, yeah, i, i, yeah. i don't know why— watch, yeah, yeah, i, i, yeah. i don't know why he's- watch, yeah, yeah, i, i, yeah. i don't know why he's diluting the ceremony. we do pomp and ceremony very well and it is quite nice to see tradition being carried on, know , it being carried on, you know, it just makes you feel it's almost quite comforting , isn't it? quite comforting, isn't it? watching tradition as it continues like we're continues and we feel like we're part of something. don't part of something. i don't i don't mind tradition evolving, but is sort of but tradition is sort of a contradiction in terms, isn't it? tradition doing it? your tradition doing something ? we had something the same way? we had this the queen's funeral ?

this at the queen's funeral? well, it didn't matter what your tattn— well, it didn't matter what your rat was— well, it didn't matter what your faith was, what— well, it didn't matter what your faith was, what you believed, vvnetner— faith was, what you believed, whether you're _ faith was, what you believed, whether you're a _ faith was, what you believed, whether you're a trans left, tert— whether you're a trans left, tett teetet— whether you're a trans left, left footed head— whether you're a trans left, left footed head referee, it tttn-t— left footed head referee, it didn't matter.— left footed head referee, it didn't matter. you were supposed tvvarteng— didn't matter. you were supposed tvvarteng tne— didn't matter. you were supposed kwarteng the institution of the menarenv— kwarteng the institution of the menarenv ant— kwarteng the institution of the monarchy and paying respects to her monarchy and paying respects to per trarestv— monarchy and paying respects to per trarestv tne— monarchy and paying respects to her majesty the queen as the neat— her majesty the queen as the neat et— her majesty the queen as the head of state,— her majesty the queen as the head of state, the whole world tunet— head of state, the whole world tunet tn— head of state, the whole world tunet tn te — head of state, the whole world tunet tn te pav— head of state, the whole world tuned in to pay respects to the neat— tuned in to pay respects to the neat et— tuned in to pay respects to the head of state— tuned in to pay respects to the head of state .— tuned in to pay respects to the head of state . and we followed head of state. and we followed the traditional— head of state. and we followed the traditional format of the tunerat— the traditional format of the tunerat . — the traditional format of the funeral. and— the traditional format of the funeral. and we- the traditional format of the funeral. “c the traditional format of the funeral . ' “c c funeral. and we have done the same for the wedding, for the coronation anyway. well, tnteresttng— coronation anyway. well, interesting choice.- ti.tit i“ well, interesting choice. the trans tett— interesting choice. the trans tett teetet— interesting choice. the trans left footed referee. thank you verv— left footed referee. thank you very muen— left footed referee. thank you very much, david. it's good to tatt— very much, david. it's good to tatt te— very much, david. it's good to tatt te veu— very much, david. it's good to tatt te veu .— very much, david. it's good to talk to you . that's david begum. talk to you. that's david begum. nets— talk to you. that's david begum. ne-s eu— talk to you. that's david begum. ne-s eeeat— talk to you. that's david begum. he's our great british voices tnere— he's our great british voices tnere tn— he's our great british voices there in watford— he's our great british voices there in watford today. i've teen— there in watford today. i've teen asttng— there in watford today. i've been asking you, should ttversttv— been asking you, should diversity inclusion diversity and inclusion be a pretty— diversity and inclusion be a prterttv-ttng-s- priority at the king's coronation?- priority at the king's coronation? and lots of you have teen— coronation? and lots of you have teen-teuen— coronation? and lots of you have been _touch .yourl been getting in touch with your -savs— been getting in touch with your views. says diversity views. janet says diversity sneutt— views. janet says diversity should included, but it should be included, but it sneutt— should be included, but it should not— should be included, but it should not-a- should be included, but it should not a priority after should not be a priority after gr.— should not be a priority after gr, tne— should not be a priority after gr, tne xtng— should not be a priority after all, the king is— should not be a priority after all, the king is head of the enuren— all, the king is head of the enuren et— all, the king is head of the church of england. exactly jackie— church of england. exactly raetre savs— church of england. exactly jackie says king charles has so many— jackie says king charles has so many monarchs— jackie says king charles has so many monarchs before him. tetenter— many monarchs before him. defender of— many monarchs before him. defender of the— many monarchs before him. defender of the faith, singular, the christian _

defender of the faith, singular, the christian faith, our rettgteus— the christian faith, our religious heritage. it is up to tne— religious heritage. it is up to tne-et— religious heritage. it is up to tne-er eu- religious heritage. it is up to the-of our faith- religious heritage. it is up to the of our faith to the leaders of our faith to eerent— the leaders of our faith to defend their— the leaders of our faith to defend their faith their own defend their faith in their own ptaees— defend their faith in their own ptaees et— defend their faith in their own places of worship and not at the eeenaten— places of worship and not at the eeenaten .— places of worship and not at the coronation . it's— places of worship and not at the coronation . it's true, actually, coronation. it's true, actually, tetenter— coronation. it's true, actually, defender—will- coronation. it's true, actually, defender—will be| defender of the faith will be a tetenter— defender of the faith will be a tetenter et— defender of the faith will be a defender of the— defender of the faith will be a defender of the faith in this eeuntrv.— defender of the faith in this| eeuntrv.—tne country. perhaps not all the etner— other faiths, but you can be tnetustve— other faiths, but you can be inclusive - says. - other faiths, but you can be. inclusive - says. - king inclusive. jack says. the king can i respectful _ inclusive. jack says. the king can .respectful of- inclusive. jack says. the king can respectful of all faiths, can be respectful of all faiths, tut— can be respectful of all faiths, tut ean— can be respectful of all faiths, tut only— can be respectful of all faiths, but can only defender of our but can only be defender of our tattn. — but can only be defender of our tattn. _ttnt— but can only be defender of our faith-kind of— but can only be defender of our faith-kind of-i- faith. that's kind of what i was savtng— faith. that's kind of what i was savtng .— faith. that's kind of what i was savtng . t— faith. that's kind of what i was savtng . t must— faith. that's kind of what i was saying . i must have read ahead. saying. i must have read ahead. stepnen— saying. i must have read ahead. stephen coronation is stephen says the coronation is an—servteel an anglican religious service venere— an anglican religious service where—elevated. an anglican religious servicel where—elevated to where the king is elevated to his where the king is elevated to nts-tv— where the king is elevated to nts-tv eet. - where the king is elevated to nts-tv eet. ue- where the king is elevated to his by god. no other his position by god. no other tattn— his position by god. no other tattn vveutt— his position by god. no other faith would allow us to interfere _ faith would allow us to interfere .the - faith would allow us to interfere the ceremony faith would allow us to- interfere .the ceremony of interfere with the ceremony of tnetrs. — interfere with the ceremony of tnetrs. tnat— interfere with the ceremony of theirs. that is— interfere with the ceremony of theirs. that is 1000 old. theirs. that is 1000 years old. tnat— theirs. that is 1000 years old. tnatla— theirs. that is 1000 years old. tnatla very— theirs. that is 1000 years old. tnatla veryv verv- theirs. that is 1000 years old. that a very, very good point. that is a very, very good point. ttne— that is a very, very good point. king charles,— that is a very, very good point. king charles, if— that is a very, very good point. king charles, if you're vvatettng— king charles, if you're watching, you're here. i was ateut— watching, you're here. i was ateut te— watching, you're here. i was ateut te sav— watching, you're here. i was about to say, you hear me now, put— about to say, you hear me now, tut veu— about to say, you hear me now, put veu near— about to say, you hear me now, but you hear what— about to say, you hear me now, but you hear what they're savtng. — but you hear what they're saying- they're- but you hear what they're saying. they're telling you that reattv—tattnl really defender of our faith. etav— really defender of our faith. l etav—me. okay you all, you're with me. t-m — okay you all, you're with me. t-m _ts- okay you all, you're with me. t-m _ts etl okay you all, you're with me. . t-m—ts et tens i'm nana akua. this is gb news on i'm nana akua. this is gb news en tv— i'm nana akua. this is gb news en tv. enttne.— i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online, and— i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online, and a— i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online, and a digital tatte— on tv, online, and a digital radio-break,- on tv, online, and a digital radio.-break, it'si radio. after the break, it's trump.— radio. after the break, it's trump-nnt- radio. after the break, it's trump.-and-be| radio. after the break, it's- trump. _and-be joined trump. watch and i'll be joined by trump. watch and i'll be joined tv-tuttrttge. — trump. watch and i'll be joined by-duddridge. .the. trump. watch and i'll be joined by duddridge. the host by paul duddridge. he's the host of by paul duddridge. he's the host et—teepte— by paul duddridge. he's the host of_people podcast. of the politics people podcast to of the politics people podcast te—tatest- of the politics people podcast te—tatest en- of the politics people podcast to_latest on the. to get all the latest on the enarges— to get all the latest on the charges against— to get all the latest on the charges against donald trump. nnt— charges against donald trump. ant—up- charges against donald trump. ant—up en- charges against donald trump. ant—up en tnel charges against donald trump. . and—up on the way, and that's coming up on the way, tneugn.— and that's coming up on the way, tneugn. at— and that's coming up on the way, tneugn. at five — and that's coming up on the way, though, at five. it's— and that's coming up on the way, though, at five. it's this eest— though, at five. it's this week's-and. though, at five. it's this week's-and guest week's outside. and my guest tetav— week's outside. and my guest tetav vvtt— week's outside. and my guest tetav vvttt te— week's outside. and my guest today will be joining me in the

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he's there-paul,- the politics people podcast. he's there paul, what is he's there in la. paul, what is nappentnge— he's there in la. paul, what is happening? what's going on? i ttts— happening? what's going on? i mean, this this— happening? what's going on? i mean, this this was terrible. i tntnt— mean, this this was terrible. i tntnt trump— mean, this this was terrible. i think trump actually looked a bit think trump actually looked a ttt snett— think trump actually looked a bit shell shocked . yeah well, bit shell shocked. yeah well, i tntnt— bit shell shocked. yeah well, i tntnt ne— bit shell shocked. yeah well, i tntnt ne ts— bit shell shocked. yeah well, i think he is shell— bit shell shocked. yeah well, i think he is shell shocked. ' “c think he is shell shocked. and i'll think he is shell shocked. and t-tt gtve— think he is shell shocked. and tttt gtve eeu— think he is shell shocked. and i'll give you the— think he is shell shocked. and i'll give you the bad- think he is shell shocked. and i'll give you the bad news first. he will be found guilty. otav. — first. he will be found guilty. otav. mev— first. he will be found guilty. otav. ttev mev— first. he will be found guilty. okay. they they are— first. he will be found guilty. okay. they they are definitely going to find him guilty. the good news is it will be cgit “cg �*7 “c i“ cg. the good news is it will be thrown eut— good news is it will be thrown eut en— good news is it will be thrown eut en appeat. — good news is it will be thrown out on appeal. ' c good news is it will be thrown out on appeal. '“c good news is it will be thrown out on appeal. and the better news even if it's thrown out on appeal. and the better nevton even if it's thrown out on appeal. and the better nevton appeal,f it's thrown out on appeal. and the better nevton appeal, it'llt thrown out on appeal. and the better nevton appeal, it'll go thrown out on appeal. and the better nevton appeal, it'll go upirown out on appeal. and the better nevton appeal, it'll go up to ivn out on appeal, it'll go up to the court. but it'll the supreme court. but it'll pretattv—tnei probably just stop at the supreme— probably just stop at the supreme new probably just stop at the. supreme - new york. probably just stop at the- supreme - new york. but probably just stop at the- su|istme - new york. but probably just stop at the- su|ls shell- new york. but probably just stop at the su|ls shell shocked. 7 york. but probably just stop at the su|ls shell shocked. york. but probably just stop at the su|ls shell shocked. “ ut he is shell shocked. i mean, ttts— he is shell shocked. i mean, this disgraceful abuse this is a disgraceful abuse of power. this is a witch hunt. tvervtetv— power. this is a witch hunt. everybody can see the only difference you have on either side of the aisle at the moment is whether or not it's a good thing abuse the system, to thing to abuse the system, to bnng thing to abuse the system, to bring down trump . nobody is bring down trump. nobody is arguing bring down trump. nobody is argutng reattv— bring down trump. nobody is arguing really that— “cg c nobody is arguing really that these are tegtttmate— arguing really that these are legitimate charges . legitimate charges. let me just gtve— legitimate charges. let me just gtve eeu— legitimate charges. let me just give you some examples. if you've got a second obe for misappropriation of campaign funds was fined over three. obama's campaign was fined over tseeeee— obama's campaign was fined over tseeeeo. ttnet — obama's campaign was fined over $300,000, fined clinton.

ntttarv— $300,000, fined clinton. hillary clinton's- $300,000, fined clinton. hillary clinton's campaign was fined over $113,000 for the paying fined over $113,000 for the paying for the steele dossier. the russia , russia, russia the russia, russia, russia nonsense hoax— the russia, russia, russia nonsense hoax . they paid nonsense hoax. they paid trtseeo— nonsense hoax. they paid trrseeo tn— nonsense hoax. they paid $113,000 in fines for mis appreprtatten— $113,000 in fines for mis appropriation of campaign funds . trump— appropriation of campaign funds . trump ts— appropriation of campaign funds . trump is being— appropriation of campaign funds . trump is being treated- appropriation of campaign funds . trump is being treated as if this is a felony and this is where the actual legal problem starts, because this is not a felony. at worst bookkeeping. ttts— felony. at worst bookkeeping. ttts ts— felony. at worst bookkeeping. ttts ts a— felony. at worst bookkeeping. this is a misdemeanour , but he this is a misdemeanour, but he is having the book thrown at him. if this case stays in new york, he will be found guilty. he's trying to get it moved to new jersey. et cetera. but it pretattv— new jersey. et cetera. but it pretattv ts— new jersey. et cetera. but it probably is going— new jersey. et cetera. but it probably is going to- \tti;ttt et cetera. but it probably is going to stay in \etiter et cetera. but it probably is going to stay in new vert— probably is going to stay in new vent ant— probably is going to stay in new vent ant ne— probably is going to stay in new york and he probably will be. i tntnt— york and he probably will be. i tntnt-getng— york and he probably will be. i tntnt-getnglte- york and he probably will be. i think going be found think he's going to be found gutttv. — think he's going to be foundi guilty. _because guilty. well, that's because it's democrats, it's held by the democrats, isn't so and that that that isn't it? so and that that that that guy. yeah that guy. he hates him. what? the black guy? i alvin i don't know his name. alvin bragg. yeah that's one. bragg. yeah that's the one. alvin he's got a history alvin bragg. he's got a history with trump and he's obviously on a vendetta and he clearly doesn't like him. he's a bit like a harriet harman. he's a bit a harriet and bit like a harriet harman and

our they our kangaroo court when they sort got boris on his sort of got boris on his partygate . business oh, he's partygate. business oh, he's frozen. yeah, i think that's a very generous description of him, to be honest. yes. not only has him, to be honest. yes. not only nas ne— him, to be honest. yes. not only nas me get— him, to be honest. yes. not only has he got history— him, to be honest. yes. not only has he got history ,— him, to be honest. yes. not only has he got history , he- has he got history, he campaigned- has he got history, he campaigned because he's an eteetet— campaigned because he's an eteetet .— campaigned because he's an elected . he's— campaigned because he's an elected . he's an— campaigned because he's an elected . he's an elected elected. he's an elected etttetat— elected. he's an elected official. campaigned on get official. he campaigned on get trump.— official. he campaigned on get trump. t— official. he campaigned on get trump. tutt— official. he campaigned on get trump. i will get— official. he campaigned on get trump. i will get trump was his eampatgn— trump. i will get trump was his eampatgn stegan— trump. i will get trump was his campaign slogan or one of his eampatgn— campaign slogan or one of his campaign slogans. he said it a tneusant— campaign slogans. he said it a thousand times— campaign slogans. he said it a thousand times during his eteetten— thousand times during his election run— thousand times during his election run that he was going to election run that he was going te get— election run that he was going te get trump.— election run that he was going to get trump. and as i said, premtses— to get trump. and as i said, promises promises kept. promises made, promises kept. he promises made, promises kept. ne tas— promises made, promises kept. he has tnet— promises made, promises kept. he has tried to— promises made, promises kept. he has tried to .trump- promises made, promises kept. he has tried to .trump his. he has tried to get trump his wife's own twitter account, albie. she wife's own twitter account, albie . she took it down this albie. she took it down this week,— albie. she took it down this week, a— albie. she took it down this week, a twitter— c; she took it down this week, a twitter account. and she said,— week, a twitter account. and she said, uke— week, a twitter account. and she said, like he— week, a twitter account. and she said, like he said,— week, a twitter account. and she said, like he said, would get said, like he said, he would get trump. — said, like he said, he would get trump. _w- said, like he said, he would get- trump. —gmrump. trump. he's gone and got trump. this is a sieve. this this thing is a sieve. this thing— this thing is a sieve. this mingle— this thing is a sieve. this thing a complete nonsense . thing is a complete nonsense. pickle banana republic at absolute— pickle banana republic at absolute abuse power. . cc absolute abuse of power. it will come back. what's— absolute abuse of power. it will come back. what's the- come back. what's the interesting— f f what's the interesting development is that james— interesting development is that james comey— interesting development is that james comey get— interesting development is that james comey get that name right and w— james comey get that name right and he— james comey get that name right and he is— james comey get that name right and now he is the— james comey get that name right and now he is the head of anyway,— and now he is the head of anyway, hee— and now he is the head of anyway, he's the head of one of the committees— anyway, he's the head of one of the committees at— anyway, he's the head of one of the committees at congress. ru— the committees at congress. ru give— the committees at congress. ru give you— the committees at congress. i'll give you his— the committees at congress. i'll give you his proper- the committees at congress. i'll give you his proper title in a second. but he's been approached—

in a second. but he's been approached by— in a second. but he's been approached by two - " f: but he's been approached by two attorneys general,— approached by two attorneys general, a...— approached by two attorneys general, ten and kentucky, i believe— general, ten and kentucky, i believe they're _ general, ten and kentucky, i believe they're looking to now eae— believe they're looking to now start prosecuting _ believe they're looking to now start prosecuting biden themselves— start prosecuting biden themselves because they're going wen,— themselves because they're going weu, if— themselves because they're going weu, if sauce— themselves because they're going well, if sauce for— themselves because they're going well, if sauce for the goose is sauce for the _ well, if sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, you're sauce for the gander, if you're auewee— allowed to just prosecute absolutely— allowed to just prosecute absolutely-. i allowed to just prosecute. absolutely-. this allowed to just prosecute- absolutely-. this is absolutely anybody. this is exactly— absolutely anybody. this is exactly started now they're going after biden and the biden family all country . family all over the country. well, they have to. what well,«they have to. what «about well, they have to. what about the hahhehe— well, they have to. what about the laptops and— well, they have to. what about the laptops and the documents that—he- the laptops and the documents that—he garagel that were found in his garage ahe— that were found in his garage and shah— that were found in his garage and stuff like— that were found in his garage and stuff like that? if they and surety— and stuff like that? if they and eureh that— and stuff like that? if they and surely that-be- and stuff like that? if they and surely that be that would surely that would be that would be surely that would be that would he-.— surely that would be that would he-. surety— surely that would be that would be-. surely these- surely that would be that would be . surely these would be a felony. surely these would be a felony. surely these would he bigger— be a felony. surely these would be bigger charges— be a felony. surely these would be bigger charges just the be bigger charges than just the heehheehhe— be bigger charges than just the bookkeeping errors of trump. i these— bookkeeping errors of trump. i mean, these are— bookkeeping errors of trump. i mean, these are big deals, righte— mean, these are big deals, hahh weh— mean, these are big deals, right? well, isn't that worse? hoo. — right? well, isn't that worse? hoo. ahe— right? well, isn't that worse? hoo. and he— right? well, isn't that worse? 100. and it's very— right? well, isn't that worse? 100. and it's very interesting. you bring up the laptop if you hook— you bring up the laptop if you hook a— you bring up the laptop if you hook a few— you bring up the laptop if you look a few weeks— you bring up the laptop if you look a few weeks ago, and i ooh-o—h- look a few weeks ago, and ij ooh-h—h hoo don't want to get this is not oohephaoy— don't want to get this is not conspiracy theory " don't want to get this is not- conspiracy theory-this is conspiracy theory stuff. this is all conspiracy theory stuff. this is au-eooro. — conspiracy theory stuff. this is all-record. if— conspiracy theory stuff. this is all record. if hunter all on the record. if hunter biden sued the biden actually sued the storekeeper who made the laptop pubuc storekeeper who made the laptop public. so that's to tie that hapooh— public. so that's to tie that hapoop ao— public. so that's to tie that hapoop up h— of. so that's to tie that laptop up in legalese to try and to laptop up in legalese to try and ho ho— laptop up in legalese to try and to try ahe— laptop up in legalese to try and to try and avoid— laptop up in legalese to try and to try and avoid any future ohhhah— to try and avoid any future criminal actions. and criminal aohvhhee. — criminal actions. and criminal activities. this— criminal actions. and criminal activities. this has been phahheo— activities. this has been phahheo hy— activities. this has been planned by the establishment,

for ham— planned by the establishment, for want of— planned by the establishment, for want of a— planned by the establishment, for want of a better word. this has— for want of a better word. this has been— for want of a better word. this has been planned— for want of a better word. this has been planned in dnc circles for months— has been planned in dnc circles for months that— has been planned in dnc circles for months that they were going to use— for months that they were going to ah..— for months that they were going to use the system— for months that they were going to use the system an abuse of power— to use the system an abuse of power apaheo— to use the system an abuse of power against donald trump. and so. power against donald trump. and haaohy— power against donald trump. and so. exactly-things- power against donald trump. and so. exactly things like so. exactly right. things like home— so. exactly right. things like hunter-laptop,- so. exactly right. things like hunter laptop, they've hunter biden's laptop, they've aheaoy— hunter biden's laptop, they've already stitched _ hunter biden's laptop, they've already stitched that up it already stitched that up so it oah-o— already stitched that up so it can't-used— already stitched that up so it can't-used as— already stitched that up so it can't used as easily in a can't be used as easily in a ohhhah— can't be used as easily in a criminal prosecution . but you've criminal prosecution. but you've got a— criminal prosecution. but you've got a hot— criminal prosecution. but you've got a hot of— criminal prosecution. but you've got a lot of active,— criminal prosecution. but you've got a lot of active, a lot of active— got a lot of active, a lot of active trump— got a lot of active, a lot of active trump supporting ahorheyo— active trump supporting attorneys general around the country— attorneys general around the country-realise- attorneys general around the country realise that they're country now realise that they're ahoweh— country now realise that they're auoweo. how— country now realise that they're allowed. now this— country now realise that they're allowed. now this is set a legal precedent.— allowed. now this is set a legal precedent. yeah. _ allowed. now this is set a legal precedent. yeah. mime precedent. yeah. executive executive privilege is out the window now. there's you know, there-o— window now. there's you know, there-e hoh— window now. there's you know, there-e hah a— window now. there's you know, there's half a chance- window now. there's you know, there's half a chance if- : there's you know, there's half a chance if this goes— there's half a chance if this goes oo— there's half a chance if this goes ho a..— there's half a chance if this goes to the supreme court that you— goes to the supreme court that you might— goes to the supreme court that you might-he- goes to the supreme court that you might be able to you might actually be able to shah—shopp- start prosecuting sitting paeehoehoe— start prosecuting sitting presidents. - start prosecuting sitting presidents . “43?" c start prosecuting sitting presidents. / presidents. yeah, it's not that's not a good sea change at all i hear georgia is all because i hear georgia is also ready to try and also getting ready to try and prosecute as well. i mean, prosecute trump as well. i mean, it's even for those who it's clear even for those who don't like trump, it's clear even for those who don't like trump , that they're don't like trump, that they're out him. they really are out to get him. they really are . trump is coming out the trump is coming out the best . trump is coming out the best hoh— . trump is coming out the best from the.— . trump is coming out the best from the. .— . trump is coming out the best from this. i mean,— trump is coming out the best from this. i mean, his poll ratings— from this. i mean, his poll ratings have— from this. i mean, his poll ratings have gone up to 61% compared— ratings have gone up to 61% compared to— ratings have gone up to 61% compared to desantis at 19. here— compared to desantis at 19. here are— compared to desantis at 19. there are there— compared to desantis at 19. there are there are- compared to desantis at 19. there are there are rhinos in republicans in name only. there

are democrats who are just stepping away from this because alvin bragg has alvin bragg is the dog who caught the car. okay. he has over stepped his reach and his own supporters are standing back and kind of going, okay, well, let's see how this plays out, because he is now very, very exposed and very vulnerable . people are starting vulnerable. people are starting to vulnerable. people are starting ro—rhe— vulnerable. people are starting to_the problem.- to see this is the problem. reopre—ro- to see this is the problem.| people—to look to see this is the problem.- people_to look into people are starting to look into ahm— alvin bragg now to see where they— alvin bragg now to see where they. prosecute - alvin bragg now to see where they prosecute him for his they can prosecute him for his oamparph— they can prosecute him for his campaign funding. they can prosecute him for his campaign funding . campaign funding. the whole thing— campaign funding. the whole thing he— campaign funding. the whole thing is now going to be an acceptable and acceptable abuse of power. all over the states. rhe— of power. all over the states. his h— of power. all over the states. his h m— of power. all over the states. this is in the next six months. you're not going to have democrats thanking alvin bragg for intervention this. for his intervention like this. this complete nonsensical, this is a complete nonsensical, apohhoar— this is a complete nonsensical, apolitical anti—politics because apolitical anti —politics because , you — apolitical anti —politics because ,you know,— apolitical anti —politics because or know, r— apolitical anti—politics because , you know, i don't— apolitical anti—politics because , you know, i don't want obama prosecuted— , you know, i don't want obama prosecuted for— , you know, i don't want obama prosecuted for his— , you know, i don't want obama prosecuted for his overspend. i ooh-r— prosecuted for his overspend. i ooh-r ham— prosecuted for his overspend. i don't want hillary— prosecuted for his overspend. i don't want hillary clinton- don't want hillary clinton prosecuted for that's all part of the back and forth of what it's turning into. it's a can of worms and they— c g it's a can of worms and they shouldn't have harem— worms and they shouldn't have taken the— worms and they shouldn't have taken the lid— worms and they shouldn't have taken the lid off.— worms and they shouldn't have taken the lid off. paul duddridge,— taken the lid off. paul duddridge, thank you very much. always— duddridge, thank you very much. aways—up- duddridge, thank you very much. hhraye—uplrhahhi duddridge, thank you very much. alwr so _upithanki duddridge, thank you very much. alwr so he's up thank duddridge, thank you very much. alwr so he's theip thank duddridge, thank you very much. alwr so he's the host hank duddridge, thank you very much. alwr so he's the host of�*ik you so much. he's the host of

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been held for two british israeli sisters who were killed in an attack by palestinian ins rina and maya dee, aged 15 and 20, were shot in their car near an israeli settlement in the occupied west bank on friday. their mother remains in a critical condition . conflict has critical condition. conflict has flared up in the region over the rare crossover of easter , rare crossover of easter, ramadan and passover. rare crossover of easter, ramadan and passover . patients ramadan and passover. patients face unparalleled levels of disruption. when junior doctors start a four day strike on tuesday . that's the warning from tuesday. that's the warning from nhs national medical director professor stephen powis. he says he's very concerned with hospitals across england facing nearly 100 hours without up to half of their medical workforce. the nhs confederation says a quarter of a million appointments could be postponed and police investigating the snp's finances have reportedly seized a luxury motorhome. according to the mail. on sunday, the nisman bychkov motorhome, which can sell for

around £110,000, was removed from a house in fife . it was from a house in fife. it was taken at the same time that police searched the home of nicola sturgeon and her husband, peter murrell, the leader of the scottish conservative party. douglas ross, told us people need answers . as the mother of need answers. as the mother of olivia pratt—korbel has told the sunday mirror, the law should be changed to force all criminals to attend their sentencing . to attend their sentencing. cheryl corbell has spoken out after her daughter's killer, thomas cashman, refused to appearin thomas cashman, refused to appear in the dock as he was jailed for a minimum of 42 years. judge ipsis secretary dominic raab says he's planning to change the law . a new survey to change the law. a new survey reveals more than 1 in 10 teachers have been physically assaulted by a student in the last year. a teachers union says they've been kicked , bitten and they've been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils, whilst more than 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse from a parent or carer. the findings have been released dunng the findings have been released during the union's annual conference in glasgow today.

members will vote on a motion which suggests assaults are seen as a normal part of teaching in too many schools . the government too many schools. the government is expected to crack down on the illegal sale of e—cigarettes to children . the department of children. the department of health and social care says an illicit vapes enforced squad will be set up. they'll carry out test purchasing at shops and share intelligence with local authorities. the task force's will also have the power to remove illegal products from shops and at borders throughout , thousands of expectant mothers are set to receive a maternity allowance boost of 10.1. the increase will see payments go up by £15.82 a week. it equates to around £617 over the 39 weeks that it can be claimed . the that it can be claimed. the department of work and pensions says the automatic increase will benefit around 40,000 parents. this year for people have been

killed and several others injured in an avalanche on the french alps. france's interior minister said the incident happenedin minister said the incident happened in the middle of the day on the almond glacier. rescue workers are continuing to search for further casualties . search for further casualties. up search for further casualties. up to ten people are believed to be trapped under the rubble after two residents residential buildings collapsed in marseilles . france's interior marseilles. france's interior minister says an explosion caused the incident, sparking a fire that complicated rescue efforts . five people have been efforts. five people have been taken to hospital with serious injuries . residents of 30 other injuries. residents of 30 other buildings have also been evacuated . china's military has evacuated. china's military has carried out simulated precision strikes on taiwan . chinese state strikes on taiwan. chinese state tv claims forces continue to encircle the island as part of three days of military strikes focussed on the disputed territory . taiwan's defence territory. taiwan's defence ministry has reported multiple air force sorties and says it's monitoring china's missile

forces. the island says it will not cause any conflicts , but not cause any conflicts, but that it will respond appropriately and the king, queen consort and other senior royals have attended an easter church service. it wins a castle. it was held at saint george's chapel and was the first of charles's reign. the occasion falls on the second anniversary of prince philip's death. both he and the late queen have been laid to rest in the grounds of the 15th century chapel. the grounds of the 15th century chapel . this is gb the grounds of the 15th century chapel. this is gb news. we'll bnng chapel. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to nana. good afternoon . this is gb news good afternoon. this is gb news on w— good afternoon. this is gb news on rv ohhhe— good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and— good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on— e: " this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio.— on tv online and on digital radio rm— on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana— on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for the hem— radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour.— radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour. me— radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour. me and my panel will be next hour. me and my panel will he rahha— next hour. me and my panel will he rahhp oh— next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some— next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big roproo— be taking on some of the big roproe hhrhp— be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right— topics hitting the headlines hphr how— topics hitting the headlines right now. this— topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all

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they being too greedy? what do you think?— they being too greedy? what do you think? you— they being too greedy? what do you think? you can email me gb views— you think? you can email me gb vrews ar— you think? you can email me gb vrews ah oh— you think? you can email me gb views at gb news— you think? you can email me gb views at gb news or tweet me at . oh— views at gb news or tweet me at . oh news.— views at gb news or tweet me at . oh hews. so— views at gb news or tweet me at . gb news. so it's— views at gb news or tweet me at . gb news. so it's fast approaohhp- . gb news. so it's fast approaching, seven minutes after shoe,— approaching, seven minutes after shoe, amo— approaching, seven minutes after shoe, and ow— approaching, seven minutes after 5:00, and now it's— approaching, seven minutes after 5:00, and now it's time for this week— 5:00, and now it's time for this week's outside— 5:00, and now it's time for this week's outside .— 5:00, and now it's time for this week's outside . and today i'm week's outside. and today i'm joined— week's outside. and today i'm poheo hw— week's outside. and today i'm poheo ho a— week's outside. and today i'm poheo by a very— week's outside. and today i'm joined by a very talented musician. now- joined by a very talented musician. now she's most renowned for— musician. now she's most renowned for being a member of the hrhrsh— renowned for being a member of he hhhsh pop— renowned for being a member of the british pop culture band hooks— the british pop culture band hwohs rho.— the british pop culture band bucks fizz. they won eurovision in bucks fizz. they won eurovision h her.— bucks fizz. they won eurovision h her. .— bucks fizz. they won eurovision in 1981. i remember watching it . i in 1981. i remember watching it . r ws— in1981. i remember watching it . r hor— in1981. i remember watching it . i was not there,— in 1981. i remember watching it . i was not there, but i watched it . i was not there, but i watched h are— . i was 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competed in miss england away from her— competed in miss england away from her music— competed in miss england away from her music career. she stood as a candidate— from her music career. she stood as a candidate in— from her music career. she stood as a candidate in local elections— as a candidate in local elections brexit as a candidate in local- elections-brexit party elections for the brexit party in elections for the brexit party h zero,— elections for the brexit party h zero, amo— elections for the brexit party in 2019, and she's also taken to the— in 2019, and she's also taken to the stage— in 2019, and she's also taken to the stage as— in 2019, and she's also taken to the stage as the— in 2019, and she's also taken to the stage as the evil queen in mmte,— the stage as the evil queen in snow white, which have been snow white, which must have been fun snow white, which must have been rah-think— snow white, which must have been rah-thhh-ptaw- fun to play. i think i can play that— 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she is a pop icon. i can't believe she's— she is a pop icon. i can't believe she's here. please wetome— believe she's here. please welcome musician jay aston. jay welcome. hello.— welcome musician jay aston. jay welcome. hello. it's— welcome musician jay aston. jay welcome. hello. it's good to see wow.— welcome. hello. it's good to see you. thank— welcome. hello. it's good to see you. thank you. — welcome. hello. it's good to see you. thank you. you- welcome. hello. it's good to see you. thank you. 4:3. you. thank you. you know, cameron never lies. of course i do. i cameron never lies. of course i to. r warsh— cameron never lies. of course i to. r watoh .— cameron never lies. of course i to. r watoh . r— cameron never lies. of course i do. i watch . i watched- cr?" e of course i do. i watch . i watched you win do. i watch. i watched you win rwrowsrom— do. i watch. i watched you win rwrowsrom r— do. i watch. i watched you win eurovision. i watched the thing i eurovision. i watched the thing r used— eurovision. i watched the thing r used to— eurovision. i watched the thing i used to watch— eurovision. i watched the thing i used to watch all the time. oh,— i used to watch all the time. 0h—veah- i used to watch all the time. oh,_yeah. and i used to watch all the time.- oh,_yeah. and for oh, my goodness. yeah. and for you— oh, my goodness. yeah. and for wow—he— oh, my goodness. yeah. and for wow—he here.- oh, my goodness. yeah. and for you—be here. so- oh, my goodness. yeah. and for you be here. so talk you to actually be here. so talk to me— you to actually be here. so talk to me about— you to actually be here. so talk to me about you— you to actually be here. so talk to me about you then. i mean. oraw— to me about you then. i mean. ohaw so— to me about you then. i mean. okay, so wow-we— to me about you then. i mean. okay, so you've always been othe— okay, so you've always been pwhe a— okay, so you've always been quite a theatrical person. really— quite a theatrical person. really yeah.— quite a theatrical person. really yeah. so talk to me about how— really yeah. so talk to me about how wow— really yeah. so talk to me about how you sort— really yeah. so talk to me about how you soh ot— really yeah. so talk to me about how you sort of what your life the— how you sort of what your life the as— how you sort of what your life was like as you— how you sort of what your life was like as you as— how you sort of what your life was like as you as you were growing— was like as you as you were prowhp rp— was like as you as you were prowhp wp amo— was like as you as you were growing up and how eventually was like as you as you were grov becameand how eventually was like as you as you were grov becameandbetw eventually was like as you as you were grov becameandbe part entually was like as you as you were grovbecameandbe part oftually was like as you as you were grovbecameandbe part of bucks you became to be part of bucks rho.— you became to be part of bucks the-my— you became to be part of bucks the-my parents- you became to be part of bucks fizz.-my parents-in. fizz. well, my parents were in showpie— fizz. well, my parents were in showbiz-_a- fizz. well, my parents were ini showbiz._a comic fizz. well, my parents were in- showbiz._a comic and showbiz. my dad was a comic and he a show called comedy he had a show called comedy bandbox. so he introduced talent of bandbox. so he introduced talent or the— bandbox. so he introduced talent or the hay— bandbox. so he introduced talent or the day at— bandbox. so he introduced talent of the day at first— : so he introduced talent of the day at first person he htroowoeo— of the day at first person he introduced was— of the day at first person he introduced was jemmy tarbuck or jemmy— introduced was jemmy tarbuck or jemmy-gosh.- introduced was jemmy tarbuck or jemmy-gosh. amo- introduced was jemmy tarbuck or jemmy-gosh. and my. introduced was jemmy tarbuck or- jemmy-gosh. and my mum jemmy tarbuck. gosh. and my mum was sort of a singer dancer and they seasons and bit they do summer seasons and bit parts in movies and stuff . so my parts in movies and stuff. so my whole childhood was— parts in movies and stuff. so my whole childhood was really- whole childhood was really showhrz— whole childhood was really showbiz and— whole childhood was really showbiz and my brother was in the orrehat— showbiz and my brother was in the original oliver, so i used to wash— the original oliver, so i used to watch him.— the original oliver, so i used to watch him. he— the original oliver, so i used to watch him. he did a lot of w,— to watch him. he did a lot of rv, sort— to watch him. he did a lot of rv, soh ot— to watch him. he did a lot of tv, sort of commercials and a oowpte— tv, sort of commercials and a oowpte ot— tv, sort of commercials and a couple of movies.— tv, sort of commercials and a couple of movies. so yeah, my whore— couple of movies. so yeah, my whole childhood— couple of movies. so 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showbiz . oi /rz,r. ”t�*hh�*tijiii; showbiz family. obe you were a showbiz family. obe you were a showbiz and my brother then went into he represented the uk in eurovision the year before with the band called prima donna. i think they came second or third. and so , so, you know, i was and so, so, you know, i was singer and dancer and did a bit of acting and i was actually going to move to jersey and run a theatre school and i got this call from my agent. she said, i'd like call from my agent. she said, to the wow— call from my agent. she said, to tthe you to— call from my agent. she said, i'd like you to come- call from my agent. she said, i'd like you to come and- i'd like you to come and awttttoh— i'd like you to come and audition for— i'd like you to come and audition for this. this band . audition for this. this band. aho— audition for this. this band. and .— audition for this. this band. and . went,— audition for this. this band. and i went, i'll— audition for this. this band. and i went, i'll do one last awttttoh— and i went, i'll do one last awttttoh ,— and i went, i'll do one last audition , and— and i went, i'll do one last audition , and that was it. and audition, and that was it. and you— audition, and that was it. and you got— audition, and that was it. and you got the— audition, and that was it. and you got the gig? _ audition, and that was it. and you got the gig? �*fthi grit g g you got the gig? we got the gig. and you know, you never think you're going to win. song for europe, let alone eurovision or even 1 or 2 after it. even have 1 or 2 hits after it. but you know, last last week we did our 42nd anniversary. we were at the o2 did our 42nd anniversary. we were at the 02 at the r: r: " ”firm: it” q we were at the 02 at the indigo, whtoh— were at the 02 at the indigo, whtoh ws— were at the 02 at the indigo, whtoh a— were at the 02 at the indigo, which was a huge success. o" which was a huge success. oh, you— which was a huge success. oh, wow tom-t— which was a huge success. oh, you don't think— which was a huge success. oh, you don't think it— which was a huge success. oh, you don't think it was that long ago that all those years ago i was just ten and i was watching you guys. yes i was only 12. no, there you go . so young. molly you guys. yes i was only 12. no, theisotou go . so young. molly you guys. yes i was only 12. no, theiso young. so young. molly you guys. yes i was only 12. no, theiso young. 150 young. molly you guys. yes i was only 12. no, theiso young. i wastung. molly you guys. yes i was only 12. no, theiso young. i was aig. molly you guys. yes i was only 12. no, theiso young. i was a teenager, was so young. i was a teenager, but yeah, no, been an but yeah, no, it's been an incredible journey. so . but yeah, no, it's been an incredible journey. so. and, but yeah, no, it's been an incredible journey. so . and, of incredible journey. so. and, of course, cheryl baker , had you

course, cheryl baker, had you met before or was it just the audition that you met and then eventually but we our eventually we met, but we our paths had crossed. i did miss thptthh— paths had crossed. i did miss england, which— paths had crossed. i did miss england, which was- “at: f: i did miss england, which was was just, england, which was it was just, you— england, which was it was just, wow—h— england, which was it was just, wow—h my- england, which was it was just, wow—h mw tooatl you know, i went in my local heartw— you know, i went in my local beauty competition. i was 17. art— beauty competition. i was 17. and bizarrely , she was and bizarrely, she was performing coco, which was performing with coco, which was the other band. she performed in the other band. she performed in the the previous the eurovision the previous year. so we had sort of met hetore— year. so we had sort of met hetore. aho— year. so we had sort of met before. and yeah,- so we had sort of met before. and yeah, we all just awttttohet.— before. and yeah, we all just auditioned. there was about 300 peopte— auditioned. there was about 300 people auditioned— auditioned. there was about 300 people auditioned and we were ttst— people auditioned and we were twst ptohet— people auditioned and we were twst ptohet ott— people auditioned and we were just picked out and we all met in just picked out and we all met th the— just picked out and we all met th thts tatw— just picked out and we all met in this lady nicola martin's trott— in this lady nicola martin's troht-aht— in this lady nicola martin's front-and-said. in this lady nicola martin's front-and-said ,l in this lady nicola martin's. front-and-said , you front room and she said, you hhow—ttzzl front room and she said, you. know,_fizz and, know, you are buck's fizz and, ant— know, you are buck's fizz and, and going— know, you are buck's fizz and, and we're going to put you in prtmaw— and we're going to put you in primary colours— and we're going to put you in primary colours ,— and we're going to put you in primary colours , you know. 'r: primary colours, you know. and so tt— primary colours, you know. and so tt ws— primary colours, you know. and so tt tt— primary colours, you know. and so it was it was— primary colours, you know. and so it was it was just— primary colours, you know. and so it was it was just a - so it was it was just a literally a manufactured thing , literally a manufactured thing, which in those days was quite unusual because normally a band which all mates together from school so and the guys in the band as well because it reminded, i think people sort of felt that it was like abba because women and because there were two women and two were of two guys and you were sort of similar sort of feel. was that a band similar sort of feel. was that a hate that— similar sort of feel. was that a hate that wow— similar sort of feel. was that a band that you sort— similar sort of feel. was that a band that you sort of- was that a band that you sort of liked in wow. — band that you sort of liked in wow. 0h— band that you sort of liked in wow. 0h .— band that you sort of liked in your. oh, i remember watching them— your. oh, i remember watching them wh— your. oh, i remember watching them win with— your. oh, i remember watching them win with waterloo . o"

them win with waterloo. oh, that-s— them win with waterloo. oh, thats great. — them win with waterloo. oh, that's great. and- them win with waterloo. o" ghirie and yeah, i mean, that's great. and yeah, i mean, i that's great. and yeah, i mean, . hat— that's great. and yeah, i mean, . hat the— that's great. and yeah, i mean, . hat thts sort— that's great. and yeah, i mean, i had this sort of— that's great. and yeah, i mean, i had this sort of pact- ghirie and yeah, i mean, i had this sort of pact with my brother— i had this sort of pact with my brother when— i had this sort of pact with my brother when iwas— i had this sort of pact with my brother when was about nine. brother when i was about nine. we brother when i was about nine. he poth— brother when i was about nine. we both wanted— brother when i was about nine. we both wanted to win eurovision teeause— we both wanted to win eurovision because eurovision— we both wanted to win eurovision because eurovision was huge. then— because eurovision was huge. then-hhow— because eurovision was huge. then-hhow .— because eurovision was huge. then know, i know it's had then you know, i know it's had its, then you know, i know it's had tts tts— then you know, i know it's had tts tts ttps— then you know, i know it's had its, its dips ever— then you know, i know it's had its, its dips ever since and tts— its, its dips ever since and tt-s ttst— its, its dips ever since and tt-s twst great— its, its dips ever since and it's just great that it's coming hash— it's just great that it's coming hash to— it's just great that it's coming hash to the— it's just great that it's coming back to the uk— it's just great that it's coming back to the uk this year. but as has— back to the uk this year. but as htts that— back to the uk this year. but as htts that ws— back to the uk this year. but as kids that was a— back to the uk this year. but as kids that was a big thing. we wanted i wanted have wanted to i wanted to have a hwmehr— wanted to i wanted to have a number one-i- wanted to i wanted to have a number one i wanted to number one record. i wanted to be number one record. i wanted to he-howat— number one record. i wanted to be royal command and be in the royal command and i wanted— be in the royal command and i wanted to— be in the royal command and i wanted to wh— be in the royal command and i wanted to win eurovision. i was the— wanted to win eurovision. i was wow— wanted to win eurovision. i was you how — wanted to win eurovision. i was nine, you know. did you did you do nine, you know. did you did you to att— nine, you know. did you did you do all those?— nine, you know. did you did you do all those? _ nine, you know. did you did you do all those? all— nine, you know. did you did you do all those? all of- nine, you know. did you did you do all those? all of those all of those? yeah. yeah. i haven't done quite other other done quite the other other list yet, there's always time. yet, but there's always time. and like performing and what was it like performing at eurovision? mean , it must at eurovision? i mean, it must have been like, i can't believe that first of that we've been chosen, first of all, the british public. all, by the british public. and then actually go and perform. then to actually go and perform. it was amazing . it was very it was amazing. it was very heroe— it was amazing. it was very nerve wracking._ it was amazing. it was very nerve wracking. we didn't reattse— nerve wracking. we didn't reattse at— nerve wracking. we didn't realise at-time- nerve wracking. we didn't realise at time we'd realise at the time we'd aotwattw— realise at the time we'd. actually _threats actually had some threats teeause— actually had some threats because _the- actually had some threats because the ira actually because it was the ira actually was a different,— because it was the ira actually was a different, different world them— was a different, different world them-so— was a different, different world them-so we— was a different, different world then. so we actually we were then. and so we actually we were very— then. and so we actually we were very separate— then. and so we actually we were very separate from _ then. and so we actually we were very separate from the of very separate from the rest of the—tt- very separate from the rest of the—rt wasl very separate from the rest ofi the—it was all the contestants. but it was all exothe— the contestants. but it was all exotthg ant— the contestants. but it was all exciting and all— the contestants. but it was all exciting and all we wanted to do aet— exciting and all we wanted to do eet oh— exciting and all we wanted to do get on stage— exciting and all we wanted to do was get on stage and sing our song.—

was get on stage and sing our song. three— was get on stage and sing our song. three minutes to change your— song. three minutes to change your the.— song. three minutes to change your the. 0t— song. three minutes to change your life. of course , the skirt your life. of course, the skirt ripping— your life. of course, the skirt rtppho-reattw- your life. of course, the skirt ripping really stick ripping thing did really stick in ripping thing did really stick th peopte-s— ripping thing did really stick in people's brains i'm sure in people's brains and i'm sure it in people's brains and i'm sure tt-to— in people's brains and i'm sure tt-to a— in people's brains and i'm sure tt-to a oowpte— in people's brains and i'm sure it to a couple votes. it valid to a couple of votes. tre— it valid to a couple of votes. he onw— it valid to a couple of votes. we ohtw wo— it valid to a couple of votes. we ohtw tw— it valid to a couple of votes. we only won by a- it valid to a couple of votes. we only won by a few votes, but thahh— we only won by a few votes, but thank goodness— we only won by a few votes, but thank goodness for— we only won by a few votes, but thank goodness for skirt rip thank goodness for the skirt rip ant— thank goodness for the skirt rip and shoe— thank goodness for the skirt rip and since that— thank goodness for the skirt rip and since that happened, it must have— and since that happened, it must have reattw— and since that happened, it must have really catapulted you into a mtor— have really catapulted you into a major celebrity. w“? have really catapulted you into a major celebrity. �*ftr�*ia a major celebrity. what was that like a major celebrity. what was that tthe o yeah— a major celebrity. what was that like 7 yeah, well,— a major celebrity. �*hrhhnih e 7’ yeah, well, amazing, like? yeah, well, amazing, reattw— like? yeah, well, amazing, reattw. .— like? yeah, well, amazing, really. i mean,— e , yeah, well, amazing, really. i mean, normally , you really. i mean, normally, you hhow— really. i mean, normally, you know, eurovision— really. i mean, normally, you know, eurovision is an enormous sprhohoart,— know, eurovision is an enormous sprhohoart, ttt— know, eurovision is an enormous springboard, but we just we got twohw— springboard, but we just we got twohw here— springboard, but we just we got lucky here particularly and sort of lucky here particularly and sort ot h— lucky here particularly and sort ot th oermahw— lucky here particularly and sort of in germany and holland. so we trawettet— of in germany and holland. so we trawettet att— of in germany and holland. so we travelled all over— of in germany and holland. so we travelled all over the— of in germany and holland. so we travelled all over the world for the next 2 or 3 years and it was just, you know, sold millions of records and an incredible time, you know , just sort of a dream you know, just sort of a dream time . and then we had this time. and then we had this terrthte— time. and then we had this terrible coach— e and then we had this terrible coach crash. ”riz�*riz�* terrible coach crash. i remember going to ask you about that. yeah. and the whole yeah? and the whole dynamic yeah. and the whole dynamic just ohaheet— yeah. and the whole dynamic just ohaheet ant— yeah. and the whole dynamic just changed and the— yeah. and the whole dynamic just changed and the fractures that atreatw— changed and the fractures that were already appearing in the tant— were already appearing in the baht-more— were already appearing in the band more within the band sort of more within the baht.— band sort of more within the hand. they— band sort of more within the band. they really came to a head ant—attor— band. they really came to a head and—after that. - and i left shortly after that. hho— and i left shortly after that. the hotah— and i left shortly after that. mike nolan very badly mike nolan was very badly htwret— mike nolan was very badly htwret h— mike nolan was very badly injured in that.— mike nolan was very badly injured in that. yeah, and take me haoh— injured in that. yeah, and take me haoh to— injured in that. yeah, and take me back to that— injured in that. yeah, and take me back to that was what, what the— me back to that was what, what the sort— me back to that was what, what was the sort of— me back to that was what, what was the sort of story behind how that— was the sort of story behind how that happened? — was the sort of story behind how

that happened? �*hrhhriee was the sort of story behind how that happened? �*hrhhrizz ”h�*hh�*hijiiil ch" that happened? well, we were on tour and it was the second night of about a 13, six day tour. it was a new newcastle and we'd tone— was a new newcastle and we'd tone or— was a new newcastle and we'd tohe gig— was a new newcastle and we'd done our gig and— was a new newcastle and we'd done our gig and we were going haoh— done our gig and we were going haoh to— done our gig and we were going haoh to the— done our gig and we were going back to the hotel— done our gig and we were going back to the hotel and, and i remember i'd— back to the hotel and, and i remember i'd just moved and i'd mowet— remember i'd just moved and i'd mowet trom— remember i'd just moved and i'd moved from the— remember i'd just moved and i'd moved from the very front seat twrther— moved from the very front seat twrther haoh— moved from the very front seat further back and— moved from the very front seat further back and i— moved from the very front seat further back and i saw my mahaere— further back and i saw my manager and— further back and i saw my manager and some it was bizarre, i manager and some it was bizarre, . wowtt— manager and some it was bizarre, . wowtt saw— manager and some it was bizarre, . wowtt saw a— manager and some it was bizarre, i would say a tangerine saved my the. — i would say a tangerine saved my the. art— i would say a tangerine saved my the. art the— i would say a tangerine saved my life. and this fruit— i would say a tangerine saved my life. and this fruit was- i would say a tangerine saved my life. ' r: e r: life. and this fruit was rolling about and i went to pick the fruit up and saw my manager and i oh, can i have a word? i went, oh, can i have a word? and that's i heard we're and that's when i heard we're going— and that's when i heard we're gotta-that— and that's when i heard we're gotta-that ant- and that's when i heard we're going that and hit going to hit that and we hit the— going to hit that and we hit thts torw— going to hit that and we hit thts torw .— going to hit that and we hit this lorry . and— going to hit that and we hit this lorry . and there was there this lorry. and there was there was-that— this lorry. and there was there was-that were- this lorry. and there was there was that were very was roadworks that were very poortw— was roadworks that were very poortw-aht- was roadworks that were very poortw-aht so- was roadworks that were very poorly-and so we- was roadworks that were very poorly and so we hit this poorly marked and so we hit this torrw— poorly marked and so we hit this torrw whtoh— poorly marked and so we hit this lorry, which had— poorly marked and so we hit this lorry, which had a— poorly marked and so we hit this lorry, which had a load of steel on lorry, which had a load of steel oh rt.— lorry, which had a load of steel on to so— lorry, which had a load of steel on to so tt— lorry, which had a load of steel on it. so it was— lorry, which had a load of steel on it. so it was like— lorry, which had a load of steel on it. so it was like hitting a hrtoh— on it. so it was like hitting a hrtoh watt— on it. so it was like hitting a brick wall and— on it. so it was like hitting a brick wall and you know, it was terrthte— brick wall and you know, it was terrthte .— brick wall and you know, it was terrthte . tt— brick wall and you know, it was terrible . it was,— brick wall and you know, it was terrible . it was, was terrible. it was, it was treattwt— terrible. it was, it was dreadful. and mike went through the trott— dreadful. and mike went through the front window,— dreadful. and mike went through the front window, said cheryl. chewt— the front window, said cheryl. chew-her— the front window, said cheryl. cheryl-her back. mike. the front window, said cheryl. cirige f mike had cheryl broke her back. mike had a—tewetopet- cheryl broke her back. mike had a—tewetopet ohi a huge blood clot developed on his a huge blood clot developed on hrs-ant— a huge blood clot developed on hrs-ant tt— a huge blood clot developed on his-and it was— a huge blood clot developed on his-and it was like- his brain and it was like somethhg— his brain and it was like something had said, no, you're going— something had said, no, you're ooha to— something had said, no, you're ooha to stop— something had said, no, you're ooha to stop .— something had said, no, you're going to stop . that's that's the going to stop. that's that's the ent.— going to stop. that's that's the one. there-s— going to stop. that's that's the end. there's another road here to 90— end. there's another road here to go town.— end. there's another road here to to town. vow— end. there's another road here to go down. you know, it's just you—vou—

to go down. you know, it's just wow—wow went- to go down. you know, it's just wow—wow went to. to go down. you know, it's justi you _you went to find you picked up, you went to find an you picked up, you went to find ah-aht— you picked up, you went to find ah-aht wow— you picked up, you went to find ah-aht wow .— you picked up, you went to find ah-aht wow . .- you picked up, you went to find an-and you . i went- you picked up, you went to find an and you . i went up the an orange and you. i went up the haoh— an orange and you. i went up the pooh ot— an orange and you. i went up the pooh ot the— an orange and you. i went up the pooh ot the ot— an orange and you. i went up the back of the of the— an orange and you. i went up the back of the of the of the coach ant— back of the of the of the coach and tt— back of the of the of the coach and tt ws— back of the of the of the coach and it was like— back of the of the of the coach and it was like its— back of the of the of the coach and it was like its maiden voyage— and it was like its maiden voyage ot— and it was like its maiden voyage of this— and it was like its maiden voyage of this beautiful coach. amt— voyage of this beautiful coach. amt tt— voyage of this beautiful coach. amt tt ws— voyage of this beautiful coach. and it was like— voyage of this beautiful coach. and it was like a— voyage of this beautiful coach. and it was like a kitchen. - and it was like a kitchen. there and the fruit was just rotthg— there and the fruit was just rotthg-tt- there and the fruit was just rotthg-tt .- there and the fruit was just rolling if i hadn't rolling about so if i hadn't sort—wpi sort of picked the fruit up and then— sort of picked the fruit up and then-manager— sort of picked the fruit up and then manager was just here then my manager was just here ant— then my manager was just here aht-oh— then my manager was just here aht-oh-t-al and i went, oh, can i have a worth— and i went, oh, can i have a word? hho— and i went, oh, can i have a word? and that's— and i went, oh, can i have a word? and that's sort of when it happened.— word? and that's sort of when it happehetltt— word? and that's sort of when it happened.-it took- word? and that's sort of when it happened. it took me to a happened. but it took me to a ttttereht— happened. but it took me to a different place— happened. but it took me to a different place coach. different place in the coach. etherwtse— different place in the coach. otherwise,-mainl otherwise, where the main girder of otherwise, where the main girder ot—wowtt— otherwise, where the main girder of_would have- of the coach, i would have i worth— of the coach, i would have i wowtt hate— of the coach, i would have i would have-it- of the coach, i would have i would have it would have would have been it would have gone— would have been it would have gone-through— would have been it would have gone-through me.- would have been it would have gone through me. so gone straight through me. so those— gone straight through me. so those spttt— gone straight through me. so those split seconds, you know, teotstohs— decisions change your life sometmes— decisions change your life sometmes . — decisions change your life sometimes . sometimes. wow. that's something, isn't it? you must have wow, meant have thought, wow, i'm meant to do something. something do something. yeah, something special. lucky. but it was very trawmatto— special. lucky. but it was very traumatic and— special. lucky. but it was very traumatic and i— f lucky. but it was very traumatic and i couldn't really see.-see how that. traumatic and i couldn't really see. see how that we see. i couldn't see how that we oowtt— see. i couldn't see how that we oowtt 90— see. i couldn't see how that we could go beyond— see. i couldn't see how that we could go beyond that . and so could go beyond that. and so i tett— could go beyond that. and so i tett ahowt— could go beyond that. and so i left about six— could go beyond that. and so i left about six months after. and what— left about six months after. and what about— left about six months after. and what about was— left about six months after. and what about was mike, that got what about was it mike, that got badly—badly- badly injured? very badly injured? he's injured? how is he now? he's amazing now. i mean, it took him amazing now. i mean, it took him a-ttme— amazing now. i mean, it took him a-ttmeloome- amazing now. i mean, it took him a-timelcome back- amazing now. i mean, it took him a-timelcome back toi a very long time to come back to , vou— a very long time to come back to , wow hhow— a very long time to come back to ryou hhow he— a very long time to come back to , you know, he still— a very long time to come back to , you know, he still has sort of mettoattoh— , you know, he still has sort of medication and— , you know, he still has sort of medication and he— , you know, he still has sort of medication and he has tunnel has poor— medication and he has tunnel has poor wstoh— medication and he has tunnel has poor wstoh oh— medication and he has tunnel has poor vision on one— medication and he has tunnel has poor vision on one side, but tts— poor vision on one side, but he tone— poor vision on one side, but it's done incredible incredibly wett— it's done incredible incredibly wett. aho—

it's done incredible incredibly wett. and we— it's done incredible incredibly well. and we work we still work. we well. and we work we still work. the stu— well. and we work we still work. we stttt gig-— well. and we work we still work. we stttt gig- we— well. and we work we still work. we still gig. we just have to be that— we still gig. we just have to be aware that he— we still gig. we just have to be aware that he can't always see us. aware that he can't always see ohaw— aware that he can't always see okay aho— aware that he can't always see ohaw hht tt— aware that he can't always see us. okay and it you know, we're stu— us. okay and it you know, we're stttt more— us. okay and it you know, we're still more united— us. okay and it you know, we're still more united today, i thhh,— still more united today, i think, than— still more united today, i think, than we- still more united today, i think, than we ever were . / think, than we ever were. yeah. so think, than we ever were. yeah. so wow— think, than we ever were. yeah. so you sat— think, than we ever were. yeah. so you satt tt— think, than we ever were. yeah. so you said it changed direction . what what happened in that change of direction? well i left the band and then the band went through various different incarnations. that's right. orowps— incarnations. that's right. orowps — incarnations. that's right. groups yeah.— incarnations. that's right. groups yeah. david- f that's right. groups / david van day at groups yeah. david van day at potho— groups yeah. david van day at poht, we— groups yeah. david van day at one point, we were— groups / david van day at one point, we were like, well, he-s— one point, we were like, well, he h— one point, we were like, well, he's in another— one point, we were like, well, he's in another band, you know, hho— he's in another band, you know, and eeorwhe— he's in another band, you know, and everyone goes,— he's in another band, you know, and everyone goes, oh, dehenna dawson.— and everyone goes, oh, dehenna hawsoh. hut— and everyone goes, oh, dehenna davison. but no— and everyone goes, oh, dehenna davison. but no ,— and everyone goes, oh, dehenna davison. but no , they weren't. and everyone goes, oh, dehenna davisthe but no , they weren't. and everyone goes, oh, dehenna davisthe was no , they weren't. and everyone goes, oh, dehenna davisthe was for, they weren't. and everyone goes, oh, dehenna davisthe was for fivey weren't. and everyone goes, oh, dehenna davisthe was for five minutes,. well, he was for five minutes, hut— well, he was for five minutes, hut-ttst— well, he was for five minutes, hut-ttstlgot— well, he was for five minutes, hut-ttstlgot a- well, he was for five minutes, but-justlgot a bit- but it's just it got a bit pottttoat— but it's just it got a bit pottttoat .— but it's just it got a bit political . and we as three political. and so we as three ortehat— political. and so we as three original members have lost the rtght— original members have lost the rteht to— original members have lost the rtoht to se— original members have lost the right to use the— original members have lost the right to use the words. but first— right to use the words. but ttrst we— right to use the words. but first we have— right to use the words. but first we have to - right to use the words. but first we have to be called the tears — first we have to be called the tears oh— first we have to be called the fears. o" crzrr: which was first we have to be called the fears. hcih" hcirzrr: which was which fears. oh god. which was which tsp-t— fears. oh god. which was which tsh-t toesh-t— fears. oh god. which was which isn't doesn't sit— fears. oh god. which was which isn't doesn't sit very— fears. hcih" hcirzrr: which was which isn't doesn't sit very well with us. isn't doesn't sit very well with heathe— isn't doesn't sit very well with hearhg h— isn't doesn't sit very well with us. bearing in mind you know, wtth— us. bearing in mind you know, with trademarks,— us. bearing in mind you know, with trademarks, it's meant to be with trademarks, it's meant to he that— with trademarks, it's meant to he that wow-re— with trademarks, it's meant to be that you're passing off for somethhg— be that you're passing off for something and— be that you're passing off for something and we lost that case. so. something and we lost that case. so. so— something and we lost that case. so. so we— something and we lost that case. so. so we wee— something and we lost that case. so. so we were somebody else have— so. so we were somebody else have tt— so. so we were somebody else have tt who-s— so. so we were somebody else have it who's got— so. so we were somebody else have it who's got it then ? have it who's got it then? hohhw. — have it who's got it then? bobby- rees— have it who's got it then? bobby. jeez his- have it who's got it then? his wife. who was bobby. jeez his wife. who was six bobby. jeez his wife. who was sh wheh— bobby. jeez his wife. who was sh when we— bobby. jeez his wife. who was six when we won— his wife. who was

six when we won eurovision. she she— six when we won eurovision. she owns she owns the— six when we won eurovision. she owns she owns the trademark boxes and we can't use it. she should give it back. - boxes and we can't use it. she should give it back. no, i don't thhh— should give it back. no, i don't think there's any intention . think there's any intention. she's not going to give it she's not goingyto give it back. she's not going to give it back. she-s— she's not going to give it back. shes—sol she's not going to give it. so ow-wo— she's not going to give it. so ow-wo hp- she's not going to give it. so ow-wo up too- she's not going to give it. so- now-you up to? because now what are you up to? because i now what are you up to? because t-woh-re— now what are you up to? because t-woh-re wow— now what are you up to? because t-woh-re wow wow-re- i know you're your you're into wow—yeah- i know you're your you're into wow—yeah - i know you're your you're into wow—yeah tve your fitness. yeah. yeah i've atwaws— your fitness. yeah. yeah i've alwaysr atwaws— your fitness. yeah. yeah i've always, always enjoyed i think it came from my dad because my granddad was a weightlifter, a world champion weightlifter. so my always into all that my dad was always into all that fitness and i trained and fitness stuff. and i trained and used to teach. so i've always kept fairly, fairly healthy. what did you teach? well kept fairly, fairly healthy. - what did you teach? well fitness or tahoe hh— what did you teach? well fitness or dance. did you?— what did you teach? well fitness or dance. z�*h r: 7 / what did you teach? well fitness or dance. hr: 7 / r: or dance. did you? yeah and zumba. did you teach zumba? i teach them. you look very fit. hoh— teach them. you look very fit. vow thhho— teach them. you look very fit. you think? yeah.— teach them. you look very fit. you think? yeah. i— teach them. you look very fit. you think? yeah. i said- teach them. /rzr. trig �*" c you think? yeah. i said yeah , you think? yeah. i said yeah, yeah. — you think? yeah. i said yeah, yeah. .— you think? yeah. i said yeah, weah. . tset— you think? yeah. i said yeah, yeah. i used to— you think? yeah. i said yeah, yeah. i used to love it. i used to teaoh— yeah. i used to love it. i used to teaoh h— yeah. i used to love it. i used to teach in lots— yeah. i used to love it. i used to teach in lots of— yeah. i used to love it. i used to teach in lots of places all where .— to teach in lots of places all over where i live.- to teach in lots of places all over where i live. but yeah , over where i live. but yeah, great. — over where i live. but yeah, great. he— over where i live. but yeah, great. no, it's.— over where i live. but yeah, great. no, it's. it's- over where i live. but yeah, great. hrzr c c great. no, it's. it's important i think, to keep. yeah keep it all in the right place because isn't it as we get older it sort of moves about. the skin gets toose— of moves about. the skin gets toose sort— of moves about. the skin gets toose sort ot— of moves about. the skin gets loose, sort of peeling- the skin gets loose, sort of peeling back fat. i loose, sort of peeling back fat. . thought— loose, sort of peeling back fat. . thought oh— loose, sort of peeling back fat. i thought oh no,— loose, sort of peeling back fat. i thought oh no, not back fat. oh i thought oh no, not back fat. 0h oot. — i thought oh no, not back fat. 0h hot. that— i thought oh no, not back fat. oh god. what do— i thought oh no, not back fat. oh god. what do you do with the haoho— oh god. what do you do with the haoho how— oh god. what do you do with the haoho how to— oh god. what do you do with the back? how do you— oh god. what do you do with the back? how do you get rid of that

? back? how do you get rid of that e so— back? how do you get rid of that e so you— back? how do you get rid of that ? so you've been— back? how do you get rid of that ? so you've been touring now sort— ? so you've been touring now sort ot— ? so you've been touring now sort ot at— ? so you've been touring now sort ot at the— ? so you've been touring now sort of at the moment because of thts— sort of at the moment because of course this year— sort of at the moment because of course this year eurovision is in course this year eurovision is h—veah- course this year eurovision is h—veah wherel course this year eurovision is- in _yeah where have in this country. yeah where have you-ant— in this country. yeah where have you-ant what— in this country. yeah where have you and what songs are you you been and what songs are you pertormhgo— you been and what songs are you pertormhgo-att— you been and what songs are you performing?-all the- you been and what songs are you performing? all the week performing? well all the week aroutt— performing? well all the week around eurovision is crazy for were tohg— around eurovision is crazy for us. we're doing lots- around eurovision is crazy for us. we're doing lots of gigs and personal appearances . i us. we're doing lots of gigs and personal appearances. i think we're on the actual show for a brief moment and can't say too much about that. but yeah, it's going to be a crazy week and we're just really looking forward to it. we've also got gigs if people gigs all, you know, if people are interested in coming to see us, can always on our us, they can always go on our website, we do a lot website, right? but we do a lot of festivals or seconds of acas festivals or 80 seconds events through the year and events all through the year and we're very lucky that we are still recording and we've been doing albums with mike, stock of stock, aitken and waterman . now stock, aitken and waterman. now that our fourth album. that we're on our fourth album. so there might be another one in the pipeline . what's the pipeline. what's your favourite? _your. favourite? what is your tawourtte — favourite? what is your. favourite—song? favourite bucks fizz song? i hhow— favourite bucks fizz song? i hhow-mtne— favourite bucks fizz song? i know-minerut- favourite bucks fizz song? i know mine but what's know what mine is, but what's yourse— know what mine is, but what's wourso—tt-s- know what mine is, but what's wourso—tt-s the| yours? what's yours? it's the .— yours? what's yours? it's the . sang— yours? what's yours? it's the r sahg my— yours? what's yours? it's the one i sang my camera. oh my . put— one i sang my camera. oh my camera. i put you— one i sang my camera. oh my camera. i put you in the picture ant— camera. i put you in the picture and out— camera. i put you in the picture and outltowh. — camera. i put you in the picture and cutldown. _ camera. i put you in the picture and cut down. rirzr and cut it down. that's. i do towe— and cut it down. that's. i do love it's a clever love that. it's quite a clever song. love that. it's quite a clever song . probably the of make song. probably the land of make believe. oh, song. probably the land of make believe . oh, i love that as

believe. oh, i love that as wett— believe. oh, i love that as wet. hh— believe. oh, i love that as well. oh, actually,- oh, i love that as well. oh, actually, that is my tawourtte— well. oh, actually, that is my favourite _sun. . favourite one. oh, the sun. you hhow— favourite one. oh, the sun. you hhowlohe— favourite one. oh, the sun. you hhowlohe ts— favourite one. oh, the sun. you knowlone is it.— favourite one. oh, the sun. you knowlone is it. is— favourite one. oh, the sun. you knowlone is it. is it- favourite one. oh, the sun. you know one is it. is it your know it one is it. is it your outtaw— know it one is it. is it your outlaw one?— know it one is it. is it your outlaw one? once again, time to ohahge— outlaw one? once again, time to ohahge super— outlaw one? once again, time to ohahge super mah— outlaw one? once again, time to change, super man. you'll be wtth— change, super man. you'll be wtth me— change, super man. you'll be with me. what— change, super man. you'll be with me. what do you get in the tant— with me. what do you get in the tape ot— with me. what do you get in the land of brilliant?— with me. what do you get in the land of brilliant? i— with me. what do you get in the land of brilliant? i know, i hhow— land of brilliant? i know, i hhow . — land of brilliant? i know, i hhow. .— land of brilliant? i know, i know . i was— land of brilliant? i know, i know . i was a- land of brilliant? i know, i know . vi" land of brilliant? i know, i know . w?" i was a land of brilliant? i know, i know . i was a fan. know. i was a fan. i was a fan. yeah— know. i was a fan. i was a fan. yeah aotuattw— know. i was a fan. i was a fan. yeah, actually, that— know. w?" i was a fan. yeah, actually, that was my tawourtte. — yeah, actually, that was my favourite. and _ yeah, actually, that was my favourite. and the video is gutte— favourite. and the video is gutte goot— favourite. and the video is gutte good as— favourite. and the video is quite good as well. i remember you— quite good as well. i remember you-theo— quite good as well. i remember you-video,-you?. you had a video, didn't you? wear..— you had a video, didn't you? yeah-_video-i you had a video, didn't you?i yeah._video. so you had a video, didn't you?- yeah._video. so i yeah. so i liked the video. so i thhh— yeah. so i liked the video. so i thhh-those- yeah. so i liked the video. so i. think-those-yeah, think between those two. yeah, i thhh— think between those two. yeah, i ththh tart— think between those two. yeah, i ththh tart ot— think between those two. yeah, i think land of make believe, it's just amazing. go out do just amazing. we go out and do all gigs and everybody all these gigs and everybody knows that song and we just put the mic out. we don't have to sing, you know, and they just know all the words do that. i loved it. i'm like, we're paying you— loved it. i'm like, we're paying you to— loved it. i'm like, we're paying you to to— loved it. i'm like, we're paying you to to tt— loved it. i'm like, we're paying you to do it now. _ loved it. i'm like, we're paying you to do it now. c cc you to do it now. it's brilliant , it must amazing. who , but it must be amazing. who wrote did you write , but it must be amazing. whol wrote-did you write some , but it must be amazing. whol wrthe-did you write some c 9 who wrthe songs did you write some c pg who wrthe songs ditmostlyhrite some c pg who wrthe songs ditmostlyhritwas me of the songs or mostly it was hhow— of the songs or mostly it was hhow-who— of the songs or mostly it was andy-who wrote- of the songs or mostly it was andy who wrote the produce. andy hill who wrote the produce. host— andy hill who wrote the produce. host-athums— andy hill who wrote the produce. host-athums .— andy hill who wrote the produce. most-albums . so- andy hill who wrote the produce. most-albums . so yeah- andy hill who wrote the produce. most-albums . so yeah ,- most of our albums. so yeah, it's we've been so lucky. yeah , it's we've been so lucky. yeah, it's we've been so lucky. yeah, it's such a great band- it's we've been so lucky. yeah, it's such a great band at- c " cris; yeah, it's such a great band at our tehter— it's such a great band at our tender age. — it's such a great band at our tender age. still- it's such a great band at our tender age. cc g 93 g �*hrhhricc tender age. still gigging. well, what's your website ? so you what's your website? so you can't have boxes?— what's your website? so you can't have boxes? it's- . cti7 so you can't have boxes? it's not boxes ahmorew were— can't have boxes? it's not boxes anymore. we're the- can't have boxes? it's not boxes anymore. ti. i anymore. we're the official.com.

yeah. there's everything on yeah. so there's everything on there. gigs to be find us in liverpool at and more albums with everything under the sun is our most recent album and we just did the indigo last week at the o2, just did the indigo last week at the 02, which was our big anniversary concert. i love that. i'm going to have to come ant— that. i'm going to have to come and see— that. i'm going to have to come and wou— that. i'm going to have to come and see you. thank— i'm going to have to come and see you. thank you very muoh. — and see you. thank you very muoh. tts— and see you. thank you very much. it's really— and see you. thank you very much. it's really lovely to meet you— much. it's really lovely to meet woulpteasure— much. it's really lovely to meet woulpteasure .— much. it's really lovely to meet you. pleasure . fantastic. you. my pleasure. fantastic. that-s— you. my pleasure. fantastic. that's-aston.— you. my pleasure. fantastic. that's-aston.-a. that's jay aston. she's a mustotah— that's jay aston. she's a musician-fizz. that's jay aston. she's a musician-fizz .| that's jay aston. she's a- musician-fizz . you've musician from the fizz. you've got— musician from the fizz. you've gotloheoh— musician from the fizz. you've gotloheoh her— musician from the fizz. you've got-check her out- musician from the fizz. you've got check her out on tour. got to check her out on tour. thew-re — got to check her out on tour.- thew-re _they? got to check her out on tour.- ththe e _they? got to check her out on tour.- th the day _they? got to check her out on tour.- ththe day they _they? got to check her out on tour. ththe day they back hey? got to check her out on tour. ththe day they back iny? got to check her out on tour. ththe day they back in the in the day they were back in the dav- — in the day they were back in the dav- tt— in the day they were back in the dav- tt ws— in the day they were back in the day. it was great,— in the day they were back in the day. it was great, wasn't it? wett— day. it was great, wasn't it? wee-stay- day. it was great, wasn't it? well, - stay with - day. it was great, wasn't it? well, stay with us. this well, listen, stay with us. this is well, listen, stay with us. this ts-tte-re— well, listen, stay with us. this ts-tte-re-oh- well, listen, stay with us. this is-we're-on tv,| is gb news. we're live on tv, ohhhe— is gb news. we're live on tv, online-digital- is gb news. we're live on tv, online digital radio. online and on digital radio. tts— online and on digital radio.l tt-s—mhutes online and on digital radio.l it'si5:00.-minutes online and on digital radio. it's 5:00. i'm minutes online and on digital radio. it's 5:00. i'm nana minutes online and on digital radio. it's 5:00. i'm nana akuates online and on digital radio. it's 5:00. i'm nana akua on the after 5:00. i'm nana akua on the wow.— after 5:00. i'm nana akua on the way. the— after 5:00. i'm nana akua on the way. the great— after 5:00. i'm nana akua on the way. the great british debate the— way. the great british debate the-.— way. the great british debate the. hho— way. the great british debate this-. and i'm- way. the great british debate this . and i'm asking our this hour. and i'm asking our tuhtor— this hour. and i'm asking our junior doctors— this hour. and i'm asking our junior doctors plain junior doctors just being plain greetw— junior doctors just being plain greedy-the— junior doctors just being plain greedy the doctors strike greedy now the doctors strike heouse— greedy now the doctors strike because they're _ greedy now the doctors strike because they're set to be have a tewastathg— because they're set to be have a devastating effect— because they're set to be have a devastating effect as patients wrth— devastating effect as patients wtth-a— devastating effect as patients with-a quarter- devastating effect as patients with - a quarter of - devastating effect as patients with a quarter of a with up to a quarter of a mtthoh— with up to a quarter of a million operations and appointments million operations and - appointments-cancelled million operations and- appointments-cancelled , a appointments being cancelled, a lot appointments being cancelled, a tot-peopte— appointments being cancelled, a totlpeopte wrth— appointments being cancelled, a lot-people will be— appointments being cancelled, a lot people will be suffering appointments being cancelled, a lota people will be suffering appointments being cancelled, a lota result. e will be suffering appointments being cancelled, a lota result. the ll be suffering appointments being cancelled, a lota result. the british iffering appointments being cancelled, a lota result. the british medical as a result. the british medical hssootattoh—l association, that's the bma, thew-re— association, that's the bma, they're calling _ association, that's the bma, they're calling for a 35% pay the— they're calling for a 35% pay rise. the health— they're calling for a 35% pay rise. the health secretary says that— rise. the health secretary says that that-s— rise. the health secretary says that that's really— rise. the health secretary says

that that's really unrealistic. what— that that's really unrealistic. what to— that that's really unrealistic. what to wou— that that's really unrealistic. what do you think ? i'll be what do you think? i'll be ashhgo— what do you think? i'll be ashhgolwou— what do you think? i'll be asking? you think they're asking? do you think they're hehg—touohl asking? do you think they're hehg—touoh .

good afternoon. it's just coming up to— good afternoon. it's just coming up to so— good afternoon. it's just coming up to 24 minutes— good afternoon. it's just coming up to 24 minutes after 5:00. i'm taughhg— up to 24 minutes after 5:00. i'm laughing because— up to 24 minutes after 5:00. i'm laughing because they're back. i'm laughing because they're back. t-m haha— laughing because they're back. i'm nana nick— laughing because they're back. i'm nana nick gibb. this is gb hows— i'm nana nick gibb. this is gb hews oh— i'm nana nick gibb. this is gb news on tv— i'm nana nick gibb. this is gb news on tv and— i'm nana nick gibb. this is gb news on tv and a— i'm nana nick gibb. this is gb news on tv and a digital radio. it's news on tv and a digital radio. tt-s ttme— news on tv and a digital radio. tt-s ttme tor— news on tv and a digital radio. it's time for our— news on tv and a digital radio. it's time for our great british hehate— it's time for our great british hehate thts— it's time for our great british debate this hour— it's time for our great british debate this hour. it's time for our great british debate this hour . and i'm debate this hour. and i'm ashhg— debate this hour. and i'm ashhg. are— debate this hour. and i'm asking, are the- debate this hour. and i'm asking, are the junior doctors hehg—heahhl being plain greedy? health seoretart— being plain greedy? health secretary barclay secretary steve barclay has ortttotset— secretary steve barclay has ortttotset-.- secretary steve barclay has criticised -. they. secretary steve barclay has criticised . they are secretary steve barclay has- criticised-. they are of criticised the bma. they are of the— criticised the bma. they are of course the represents of the tumor— course the represents of the junior doctors.— course the represents of the junior doctors. they are the uthh— junior doctors. they are the tor— junior doctors. they are the union for their— junior doctors. they are the union for their unrealistic pay temahts— union for their unrealistic pay temahts ant— union for their unrealistic pay demands and the claims that her— demands and the claims that their militant— demands and the claims that their militant stance is hamperhg— their militant stance is hampering serious talks. now the tumor— hampering serious talks. now the tuhtor tootors— hampering serious talks. now the junior doctors who _ hampering serious talks. now the junior doctors who are staging a tour—tt— junior doctors who are staging a tour—h wou- junior doctors who are staging a four—if you didn't- four day strike, if you didn't hhow— four day strike, if you didn't know-starts— four day strike, if you didn't know-starts on- four day strike, if you didn't know starts on tuesday , know that starts on tuesday, thew— know that starts on tuesday, the want— know that starts on tuesday, they want 35%_ know that starts on tuesday, they want 35% pay rise, which is, they want 35% pay rise, which he h— they want 35% pay rise, which he th my— they want 35% pay rise, which he he mw wow— they want 35% pay rise, which is, in my view, ludicrous. it's tmpossthte— is, in my view, ludicrous. it's tmpossthte .— is, in my view, ludicrous. it's impossible . we— is, in my view, ludicrous. it's impossible . we can't do that. impossible. we can't do that. hho— impossible. we can't do that. and thew— impossible. we can't do that. hht they saw— impossible. we can't do that. and they say that they want to

otatm — and they say that they want to otatm that— and they say that they want to claim that they're— and they say that they want to claim that they're 15 years heouse— claim that they're 15 years heouse ot— claim that they're 15 years because of their 15 years of hetow— because of their 15 years of below inflation.— because of their 15 years of below inflation. wage rises . but below inflation. wage rises. but of course, we are— below inflation. wage rises. but of course, we are in ridiculous httattoh— of course, we are in ridiculous httattoh at— of course, we are in ridiculous inflation at the— of course, we are in ridiculous inflation at the moment. so it a hh— inflation at the moment. so it seems a bit unfair, but the strhes— seems a bit unfair, but the strthes are— seems a bit unfair, but the strikes are set— seems a bit unfair, but the strikes are set to have devastating- strikes are set to have devastating consequences for patents— devastating consequences for pattehtswtth— devastating consequences for patients with up— devastating consequences for patients with up to a quarter of a mtthoh— patients with up to a quarter of a million operations and appointments- a million operations and appointments expected to be postponed — appointments expected to be postponed as— appointments expected to be postponed as a— appointments expected to be postponed as a result. so what do postponed as a result. so what to you— postponed as a result. so what to you thhh— postponed as a result. so what do you think for— postponed as a result. so what do you think for the great hrtttsh— do you think for the great british debate— do you think for the great british debate this i'm british debate this hour? i'm ashhg— british debate this hour? i'm ashhg-are— british debate this hour? i'm asking are junior asking you, are the junior tootors— asking you, are the junior doctors-plain. asking you, are the junior- doctors-plain greedy asking you, are the junior doctors join? plain greedy asking you, are the junior doctors join? plme greedy asking you, are the junior doctors join? plme nowjy asking you, are the junior doctors join? plme now ,i ? so to join? joining me now, twe— ? so to join? joining me now, he got— ? so to join? joining me now, he got what-s— ? so to join? joining me now, i've got what's going on yeah stepheh— i've got what's going on yeah stephen pound,— i've got what's going on yeah stephen pound, former labour mp ruth— stephen pound, former labour mp tutta tawtor— stephen pound, former labour mp tutta tawtor .— stephen pound, former labour mp julia taylor , psychiatric nurse julia taylor, psychiatric nurse hehettot— julia taylor, psychiatric nurse benedict spence, political commentator— benedict spence, political commentator .— benedict spence, political commentator. so i'm going to start— commentator. so i'm going to start wrth— commentator. so i'm going to start wtth wou— commentator. so i'm going to start with you, julia. i want to start— start with you, julia. i want to start wrth— start with you, julia. i want to start wtth wou — start with you, julia. i want to start with you because of course you— start with you because of course you — start with you because of course you wtthh— start with you because of course you are within the— start with you because of course you are within the nhs . what is you are within the nhs. what is your— you are within the nhs. what is your thoughts— you are within the nhs. what is your thoughts on— you are within the nhs. what is your thoughts on this? 35? tthttst— your thoughts on this? 35? whttst we— your thoughts on this? 35? whilst we understand that there are issues, 35%_ whilst we understand that there are issues, 35% is— whilst we understand that there are issues, 35% is incredibly htgh— are issues, 35% is incredibly htgh ant— are issues, 35% is incredibly high and somewhat unrealistic, what-s— high and somewhat unrealistic, whats your— high and somewhat unrealistic, what's your view— high and somewhat unrealistic, what's your view ? c : t: what's your view? it does sound quite high and it probably is unrealistic on the face of it . unrealistic on the face of it. but what you've got to think is that the junior doctors that are working now, you're saying

there's going to be a quarter of a not seeing and a million people not seeing and there's going to be no operations etcetera. operations done, etcetera. that's what it's like now. and we're trying to solve that as nurses as well . and the doctors. nurses as well. and the doctors. i do support the strike. i do think that amount is a bit much to be fair and it does sound like they're greedy, but nobody's staying in the nhs when they've qualified. they're all going abroad . are they going in going abroad. are they going in the private sector ? and what's the private sector? and what's happened now got a lot happened is we've now got a lot of doctors that are junior and all the experienced ones are. most of them have gone to work in and canada where in australia and canada where they get better conditions . they they get better conditions. they have lost 15% in real terms over 15. i think it might even be 26% in the last 15 years. and i heard you earlier saying that it's not just conservatives that have done this and you're sick of people saying that. i am, too, because this has been a process that's gone for on 30 years. and in the last 30 years, that's when the started to get

to the stage that it's at now. it feels like it's been like a long term goal by all parties to ruin it because when they've ruined it, they've got to say, oh, well, look, it's in this mess now. now we need it to go private and there's nothing we can and i also think that can do. and i also think that the nurses and doctors are going to blame for it to get the blame for it happening. that happens , happening. when that happens, which sad , but i do support which is sad, but i do support them because they have lost a lot of pay and it's not attractive. it's not all about pay- attractive. it's not all about pay. it's not attracting people into the profession . and sadly, into the profession. and sadly, what we're getting now , not that what we're getting now, not that i mind, is people from other countries coming over and doing their training , then going back their training, then going back to their own country with that skill, with that knowledge . and skill, with that knowledge. and we've got a lot of doctors we've just got a lot of doctors here quite inexpensive here who are quite inexpensive and all the good ones have gone . how is that going to make the nhs work? we need improve the nhs work? we need to improve the pay nhs work? we need to improve the pay and conditions and the only way we can do that , i do way we can do that, i do honestly think it goes back to the basics. when they're doing

their training. the basics. when they're doing theirtraining. if the basics. when they're doing their training. if they stay in their training. if they stay in the nhs for seven years when they've qualified , we will pay they've qualified, we will pay for that training . that's what for that training. that's what they to do at the very they need to do at the very least. well, i noticed that benedict is nodding his head. benedict, your thoughts? yeah i there-s— benedict, your thoughts? yeah i mean, there's a— benedict, your thoughts? yeah i mean, there's a lot— benedict, your thoughts? yeah i mean, there's a lot of truth in that. — mean, there's a lot of truth in that. actually. _ mean, there's a lot of truth in that. actually. i— mean, there's a lot of truth in that. actually. i think- mean, there's a lot of truth in that. i c mean, there's a lot of truth in that. i i

will just do things out of the goodnepeopleieir heart. they will just do things out of the goodnepeople don'tzart. they will just do things out of the goodnepeople don't reallyhey will just do things out of the goodnepeople don't really tend won't. people don't really tend to actually into the medical to actually go into the medical profession they just profession because they just want people. they want to help people. they go into to into it because it's supposed to be solid , well paid that be a solid, well paid job that sets you up for life at a comfortable middle class level. i don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that and should and actually that we should reward who go into it reward people who go into it with proper pay, proper conditions. we conditions. the issue that we have, i'm afraid, is that if we are with canada, are competing with canada, australia, , those australia, new zealand, those countries aren't going to change australia, new zealand, those cou ways aren't going to change australia, new zealand, those cou way that n't going to change australia, new zealand, those cou way that they )ing to change australia, new zealand, those cou way that they )ing ttheirtnge the way that they fund their healthcare just because healthcare systems. just because we and go, oh, it's healthcare systems. just because we fair and go, oh, it's healthcare systems. just because we fair , and go, oh, it's healthcare systems. just because we fair , you're and go, oh, it's healthcare systems. just because we fair , you're stealing 3h, it's healthcare systems. just because we fair , you're stealing ourit's not fair, you're stealing our doctors. we need to find a way of competitive. so doctors. we need to find a way of does competitive. so doctors. we need to find a way of does (mean?tive. so doctors. we need to find a way of does (mean? doesso doctors. we need to find a way of does (mean? does that what does that mean? does that mean taxes mean that we increase taxes or that increase borrowing to that we increase borrowing to pay that we increase borrowing to pay these increases in pay for these increases in wages? because you know, i agree with you, nana i think that it's unreal mystic to expect a 35% pay unreal mystic to expect a 35% pay increase in such a short penod pay increase in such a short period of time, although i would agree that they do deserve an increase. so what they should be doing not asking 35% doing is not asking for a 35% increase. saying increase. they should be saying , how are going to fund our , how are we going to fund our wages going forward? does the current work ? does the current system work? does the pubuc current system work? does the public current system? public want that current system?

because turn because i think if you turn around general public and around to the general public and say, junior doctors want say, look, junior doctors want 35% maintain the 35% increase to maintain the current standards, which all current standards, which we all agree enough , it's current standards, which we all agreacceptable enough , it's current standards, which we all agreacceptable say,igh , it's current standards, which we all agreacceptable say, well, t's not acceptable to say, well, that a bad deal. so that sounds like a bad deal. so i actually we need to i think actually what we need to be how it be doing is saying, how is it that and canada and be doing is saying, how is it that zealand and canada and be doing is saying, how is it that zealand countriesida and be doing is saying, how is it that zealand countries that nd be doing is saying, how is it that zealand countries that are new zealand countries that are not larger economies than ours are able their doctors, are able to fund their doctors, their health systems better their health care systems better and better care? i'm and provide better care? i'm afraid is because they afraid the clue is because they are least in part due to are at least in part due to insurance systems where insurance based systems where people who wealthier who people who are wealthier or who live slightly less healthy lifestyles pay more . and i'm lifestyles pay more. and i'm afraid the future, afraid that's the future, especially a country such as especially in a country such as ours. an ageing more ours. an ageing economy. more people of, you know, earning people out of, you know, earning brackets are going to be relying more care service. more on the health care service. we're going to need to find a way to for and the way to pay for that. and the answer not to just go, yes, answer is not to just go, yes, we need the same system we need more of the same system that currently working. we need more of the same system th to currently working. we need more of the same system th to a irrently working. we need more of the same system th to a way tly working. we need more of the same system th to a way of working. we need more of the same system th to a way of modernising is to find a way of modernising the taken us the system. and it has taken us far to get to this far too long to get to this point, much so that are point, so much so that we are now effectively nhs crisis now effectively in an nhs crisis that stephen. stephen that is never stephen. stephen pound that is never stephen. stephen houht yeah.— that is never stephen. stephen houht yeah t— that is never stephen. stephen pound yeah, i think— that is never stephen. stephen pound yeah, i think that- stephen pound yeah, i think that we all agree— pound yeah, i think that we all agree that— pound yeah, i think that we all agree that ssh— pound yeah, i think that we all agree that 35% is— pound yeah, i think that we all agree that 35% is over the top, hut— agree that 35% is over the top, hut that— agree that 35% is over the top, hut that ts— agree that 35% is over the top, but that is only— agree that 35% is over the top, but that is only a— agree that 35% is over the top,

but that is only a tiny part of the— but that is only a tiny part of the prohtem. — but that is only a tiny part of the problem. the- but that is only a tiny part of the problem. t: "car but that is only a tiny part of the problem. t: ”cat c the problem. the dirty little secret of the nhs is ever since almost since the nhs started in july 48th, we've been bringing dragging people in from particularly from south asia. and i remember the secretary of state for health in 1963 was a man called enoch powell , state for health in 1963 was a man called enoch powell, and he spent time going around spent all his time going around the begging nurses the west indies begging nurses and doctors to come over here, particularly nurses. we've been actually taking doctors, particularly south asia , to particularly from south asia, to such a degree that we're actually impoverish ing their such a degree that we're actu health poverish ing their such a degree that we're actu health provision ng their such a degree that we're actu health provision .g their such a degree that we're actu health provision . andhir such a degree that we're actu health provision . and that own health provision. and that is wrong at every level. now the difficulty here that difficulty we have here is that when you're qualified doctor when you're a qualified doctor and , particularly and a consultant, particularly if one of the if you're in one of the specialist fields like plastic surgery, trauma surgery, orthopaedic , dix, you're going orthopaedic, dix, you're going to be earning about 200,000. you're of you're going to get a lot of money a mixture as you know, you're going to get a lot of morfounder mixture as you know, you're going to get a lot of morfounder of xture as you know, you're going to get a lot of morfounder of thee as you know, you're going to get a lot of morfounder of the nhs/ou know, you're going to get a lot of morfounder of the nhs/ou khe iv, the founder of the nhs said he had to allow doctors to have private he going private practise. he was going to with to choke their mouths with gold. but is there's only but the problem is there's only about 46 medical schools in the whole uk . it's about whole of the uk. it's about about in in england about 36, 35. in in england there's five new ones. admittedly since in the last 3

or 4 years. but at the moment you've got a 1 in 12 chance of getting in to one of the top medical schools. so what we need is more medical schools and we need a bursary, same as we do for the nurses. you know, when my trained nurse, she my wife trained as a nurse, she got when doctors got a bursary when doctors trained, they should get a bursary. think they bursary. you would think they were . have but were golden. have them. but perhaps need more training perhaps you need more training and more local doctors. and we need more local doctors. but stripping . but this 35. see, but stripping. but this 35. see, that-s— but stripping. but this 35. see, now that's reasonable - i; but this 35. see, now that's reasonable to me. if they— now that's reasonable to me. if they sat— now that's reasonable to me. if they satt we— now that's reasonable to me. if they said we want— now that's reasonable to me. if they said we want more bursaries , they said we want more bursaries . we want— they said we want more bursaries . we want the— they said we want more bursaries . we want thts we— they said we want more bursaries , we want this, we want that and a the— , we want this, we want that and a ttttte hh— , we want this, we want that and a ttttte htt ot— , we want this, we want that and a little bit of a— , we want this, we want that and a little bit of a pay— , we want this, we want that and a little bit of a pay rise that woutt— a little bit of a pay rise that woutt he— a little bit of a pay rise that would be more— a little bit of a pay rise that would be more realistic to me heouse— would be more realistic to me heouse t— would be more realistic to me heouse t oah— would be more realistic to me because i can-a- because i can see in a sustainable- because i can see in a sustainable where this because i can see in a- sustainable .where this could sustainable way where this could progress. — sustainable way where this could progress. _a— sustainable way where this could progress—a ssh- progress. but to ask a 35% with the-that— progress. but to ask a 35% with the-that tts— progress. but to ask a 35% with the-that it's in— progress. but to ask a 35% with the that it's in now and the state that it's in now and to-oreate— the state that it's in now and to-oreate a— the state that it's in now and to create a situation where to just create a situation where the haohtog— to just create a situation where the backlog continues and thew-re— the backlog continues and they're negotiating they're not even negotiating tatrtw—ttth-tl fairly because they didn't reattw— fairly because they didn't reattw go— fairly because they didn't reattw go to— fairly because they didn't really go to any talks or meethgs— really go to any talks or meetings properly to discuss the.— meetings properly to discuss this-literally— meetings properly to discuss this. literally the first this. but literally the first move was the _ this. but literally the first move was the nuclear option , move was the nuclear option, whtoh— move was the nuclear option, whtoh ws— move was the nuclear option, which was the— move was the nuclear option, which was the strike. and that i thhh— which was the strike. and that i thhh. ts— which was the strike. and that i thhh. ts the— which was the strike. and that i think, is the issue— which was the strike. and that i think, is the issue that a lot of think, is the issue that a lot ot peopte— think, is the issue that a lot of people have.— think, is the issue that a lot of people have. well, of people have. julie well, i areeg — of people have. julie well, i agee lhtheh— of people have. julie well, i agree-lhtheh t— of people have. julie well, i agree.iwhen i was- of people have. julie well, i agree. i git itg of people have. julie well, i agree. lgtzt ilg of people have. julie well, i- agree.iwhen i was going to get agree. when i was going to get juue agree. when i was going to get julie to respond. all right,

juue julie to respond. all right, julie , julie to respond. all right, tutte . hm— julie to respond. all right, tutte . hm .— julie to respond. all right, julie , um , stephen- : all right, julie , um , stephen barclay julie, um, stephen barclay ttth-t— julie, um, stephen barclay ttth-t speah— julie, um, stephen barclay didn't speak to— julie, um, stephen barclay didn't speak to them initially. he didn't speak to them initially. to woutth-t— didn't speak to them initially. he wouldn't speak— didn't speak to them initially. he wouldn't speak to- didn't speak to them initially. he wouldn't speak to them and it took him over a week to get in touch with them about it. he's quite nonchalant and it's what he's doing isn't working. the nhs is broken and julie but juue nhs is broken and julie but julie isn't it running but can't. but isn't the. what isn't it can't. but isn't the. what isn't tt the— can't. but isn't the. what isn't it the independent?— i i c but isn't the. what isn't it the independent? but isn't it the independent— it the independent? but isn't it the independent pay boards that toothe— the independent pay boards that teotte how— the independent pay boards that decide how much— the independent pay boards that decide how much the people wtthh— decide how much the people wtthh the— decide how much the people within the nhs— decide how much the people within the nhs get paid? and so that-s— within the nhs get paid? and so thats the— within the nhs get paid? and so that's the first— within the nhs get paid? and so that's the first port of call. i t— that's the first port of call. i mean, i thought— that's the first port of call. i mean, i thought that was how it worhet— mean, i thought that was how it worhet . — mean, i thought that was how it worhet . yeah.— mean, i thought that was how it worked . yeah, it— mean, i thought that was how it worked . yeah, it is.- mean, i thought that was how it worked . h/tirih i c worked. yeah, it is. but the conservatives are running the independent pay board . they independent pay board. they choose the people they want to run that. so how can that be said to be independent when really it's not? and you know, andifs really it's not? and you know, and it's just a whole mess. the nurses are on strike. the doctors are on strike. the junior doctors are on strike. it's not going to get fixed overnight either. and we are probably going to need help from the private sector because we've

. stephen, sorry. look sorry. twe— . stephen, sorry. look sorry. he got— . stephen, sorry. look sorry. i've got about— . stephen, sorry. look sorry. i've got about 20- stephen, sorry. look sorry. i've got about 20 seconds. stepheh — i've got about 20 seconds. stepheh he— i've got about 20 seconds. stephen me 20- i've got about 20 seconds. stephen titi $70 i: i've got about 20 seconds.- stephen me 20 seconds. you've got about 20 seconds. okay. yeah now it's ten. they they're being unrealistic on this , but that is unrealistic on this, but that is only a tiny we're just scratching the surface of the problem . as has been said, the problem. as has been said, the heatth— problem. as has been said, the health service— problem. as has been said, the health service needs— as has been said, the health service needs to be totattw— health service needs to be totattw ant— health service needs to be totally and utterly re—evaluated trom— totally and utterly re—evaluated trom the— totally and utterly re—evaluated from the ground— totally and utterly re—evaluated from the ground up and the tootors— from the ground up and the doctors, they— from the ground up and the doctors, they don't come in heouse— doctors, they don't come in because they're _ doctors, they don't come in because they're saints. they oomelthere— because they're saints. they come .there _they| because they're saints. they. come .there _they do come in there because they do oare—thew- come in there because they do oare—thew to- come in there because they do care _they do care. care for people. they do care for care for people. they do care tor pattehts. — care for people. they do care for patients. finally, for patients. so. so finally, tor— for patients. so. so finally, care for more— for patients. so. so finally, care for more than 20 seconds. so care for more than 20 seconds. ho-thattw— care for more than 20 seconds. so _finally, finally. . so finally, finally, finally. are— so finally, finally, finally. are thew— so finally, finally, finally. are they being _ so finally, finally, finally. are they being too- so finally, finally, finally. are they being too greedy, greedy greedy , stephen? greedy or not greedy, stephen? greedy or greedy ? silly, greedy or not greedy? silly, greedy or not greedy? they're silly . oh, no, it's greedy. they silly. oh, no, it's greedy. they neven silly. oh, no, it's greedy. they never, ever do. not greedy . not never, ever do. not greedy. not greedy. julia, what do you think ? greedy are not greedy . a ? greedy are not greedy. a little bit greedy. 7 c: l : a little bit greedy. greedy and hehettot— little bit greedy. greedy and benedict greedy are not greedy . benedict greedy are not greedy. oreetw— benedict greedy are not greedy. oreetw hut— benedict greedy are not greedy. greedyr hut hot— benedict greedy are not greedy. greedy, but not in— benedict greedy are not greedy. greedy, but not in a— benedict greedy are not greedy. greedy, but not in a smart- benedict greedy are not greedy. greedy, but not in a smart way. greedy, but not in a smart way. greedy but not in a smart way. thahh— greedy but not in a smart way. thahh wou— greedy but not in a smart way. thahh you so— greedy but not in a smart way. thank you so much. thank you so muoh— thank you so much. thank you so much. benedict— thank you so much. thank you so

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i don't think it's good. i don't- think_wash somehow think it's going to wash somehow -_get_ think it's going to wash somehow .—get a,— think it's going to wash somehow .—get a, thew-re- . if they don't get it, they're going— . if they don't get it, they're gohg to— . if they don't get it, they're gohg to stage— . if they don't get it, they're going to stage a— . if they don't get it, they're going to stage a four day strhe. — going to stage a four day. strhe. _were strike. obviously, they were never they strike. obviously, they were nev now they strike. obviously, they were nev now staging they strike. obviously, they were nev now staging the they strike. obviously, they were nev now staging the strike they strike. obviously, they were nev now staging the strike that y are now staging the strike that starts— are now staging the strike that startsltuestaw— are now staging the strike that starts tuesday they're starts on tuesday and they're going— starts on tuesday and they're gohg-ant— starts on tuesday and they're going-and force- starts on tuesday and they're going and force the going to try and force the government's— government's hand to the hegottathg— government's hand to the hegottathg-.- government's hand to the negotiating . the government's hand to the- negotiating-..the great negotiating table. so the great hrtttsh— negotiating table. so the great british debate _ negotiating table. so the great british debate hour , i'm british debate this hour, i'm ashhg— british debate this hour, i'm asking—doctors. asking other junior doctors hehg— asking other junior doctors . hehg—see asking other junior doctors . hehomw—see asking other junior doctors. beingmy panel—see asking other junior doctors beingmy panel make see asking other junior doctors beingmy panel make of see asking other junior doctors beingmy panel make of that.t asking other junior doctors beingmy panel make of that. i'm what my panel make of that. i'm tohet— what my panel make of that. i'm ported by— what my panel make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster and toumahst— joined by broadcaster and journalist danny it's the journalist danny kelly. it's the other— journalist danny kelly. it's the other-route— journalist danny kelly. it's the other round, danny, you're journalist danny kelly. it's the othe and round, danny, you're journalist danny kelly. it's the othe and round and my, you're journalist danny kelly. it's the othe and round and journalist first and author and journalist att— first and author and journalist and author— first and author and journalist and author and— first and author and journalist and author and josh howie. �*hfthti and author and josh howie. we agreed— and author and josh howie. we agreed housewife— and author and josh howie. we agreed housewife nana, christine hamilton. all right. so, danny, are hamilton. all right. so, danny, thew— hamilton. all right. so, danny, thew hehg— hamilton. all right. so, danny, are they being plain— cctzti all right. so, danny, are they being plain greedy? hes — are they being plain greedy? hes hho— are they being plain greedy? yes. and also,— are they being plain greedy? yes. it: are they being plain greedy? yes. ilg yes. and also, they're being stupid about the way they're going, about it. i've got an article here from the bmj, the british medical journal, and the bma, is their union has bma, which is their union has asked members what a asked the union members what a loaded . are you loaded question. are you prepared abroad if prepared to work abroad if conditions and pay don't don't get better? that's terrible. weth — get better? that's terrible. weth ot— get better? that's terrible. well, of course— lgtic ”7 that's terrible. well, of course they're going to lgtic ”7 that's terrible. welyes. course they're going to lgtic ”7 that's terrible. welyes. yes. se they're going to lgtic ”7 that's terrible. welyes. yes. this ey're going to lgtic ”7 that's terrible. welyes. yes. this is're going to lgtic ”7 that's terrible. welyes. yes. this is thisoing to lgtic ”7 that's terrible. welyes. yes. this is this isig to say yes. yes. this is this is part— say yes. yes. this is this is part—anti say yes. yes. this is this is. part—ant the part of the blackmail and the heteroge— part of the blackmail and the leverage that— part of the blackmail and the leverage that they've htztwh leverage that they've got. now, i leverage that they've got. now, t-atmtre— leverage that they've got. now, i-admire that. _ leverage that they've got. now, i admire that. mental i really admire that. mental health julie . i think she health nurse julie. i think she talks a lot of sense, but i think she's getting too think that she's getting too sucked four out of sucked in by this four out of ten who want to work. you

ten who want to work. do you realise upheaval of having realise the upheaval of having to australia or canada to move to australia or canada or zealand? you've got or new zealand? you've got trtehts— or new zealand? you've got friends, you've— or new zealand? you've got friends, you've got- \hh.i;�*hh�* :7 you've got friends, you've got family, mayhe— friends, you've got family, mawhe you-we— friends, you've got family, maybe you've kids friends, you've got family,- maybe you've-kidslschool, maybe you've got kids at school, you— maybe you've got kids at school, you-te—wou-te- maybe you've got kids at school, wooute—wute goti you've got a partner, you've got aeu—wre— you've got a partner, you've got aeu—we gohg- you've got a partner, you've got aeu—we gohg tol a wife. as if you're going to just . but 40, it's just just forget. but 40, it's just so unrealistic.— just forget. but 40, it's just so unrealistic. it's- lg but 40, it's just so unrealistic. it's true. ' il so unrealistic. it's true. and the— so unrealistic. it's true. and thts ts— so unrealistic. it's true. and thts ts part— so unrealistic. it's true. and thts ts part ot— so unrealistic. it's true. and this is part of the rhetoric that they use in order to gain leverage. and also, just one other point, if i may. you know what? the picket lines they what? the picket lines and they say the say beep, if you support the nhs, sorry , but people are nhs, i'm sorry, but people are beeping they're probably beeping and they're probably sticking fingers up as well sticking two fingers up as well . television . oh, sorry. for television viewers, your pardon, but viewers, i beg your pardon, but they're people are fed they're probably people are fed up with them and they're not beeping reasons. beeping for the right reasons. that's what did say that's what somebody did say they— that's what somebody did say. thew—heepthg they drove past. they're beeping in they drove past. they're beeping th-ves— they drove past. they're beeping th-ves — they drove past. they're beeping th-ves hut— they drove past. they're beeping in-yes but the- they drove past. they're beeping in _yes but the bmj- they drove past. they're beeping in _yes but the bmj is. they drove past. they're beeping in yes in anger. yes but the bmj is so frequently the bma has so frequently the bma has so frequently been on the wrong side of the argument. they were against the setting up of the national service in national health service in the first didn't it first place. they didn't want it to they were to happen because they were being . they being protectionist. they thought doctors be thought their doctors would be better it's the better off because it's the doctor's trade union. you're doctor's trade union. but you're absolutely course, doctor's trade union. but you're absol|people course, doctor's trade union. but you're absol|people aren't course, doctor's trade union. but you're absol|people aren't allirse, doctor's trade union. but you're absol|people aren't all going to these people aren't all going to flood the flood abroad. i mean, the weather in weather might be better in australia, about all

australia, but that's about all the junior doctors are being. i think the big word is they're being as unrealistic. there is no way on earth and they know this, that the government can offer them 35% because we'd have this ridiculous leapfrogging for every 1% of increase in the salary bill that the nhs has to fund. salary bill that the nhs has to fund . that costs them £1 billion fund. that costs them £1 billion a year. so 1% increase across the board is £1 billion. now where are we going to find these billions from? it cannot go on. coming from the taxpayer, that is unreal . mystic. we've already is unreal. mystic. we've already got the highest tax rate for 70 years. it just, you know, we've got to get different money into the health service. the whole thing reorganised, thing has got to be reorganised, restructured, bring back matron. well, but they would say well, but but they would say mg,— well, but but they would say thats-thew-te- well, but but they would say that, they've seen the mps that, well, they've seen the mps on that, well, they've seen the mps oh eeooe — that, well, they've seen the mps on 80,000, £86,000. the salaries hate— on 80,000, £86,000. the salaries hate rust— on 80,000, £86,000. the salaries hate tust gone— on 80,000, £86,000. the salaries hate tust gone up— on 80,000, £86,000. the salaries have just gone up a— on 80,000, £86,000. the salaries have just gone up a further a ooupte— have just gone up a further a ooupte ot— have just gone up a further a couple of grand.— have just gone up a further a couple of grand. and they're even-that— couple of grand. and they're even _thatlmight. even saying that it might not be enough— even saying that it might not be enough moey— even saying that it might not be enough money t— even saying that it might not be enough money. i mean, come on. ttsten— enough money. i mean, come on. ttsteh. wouhe— enough money. i mean, come on. ttsteh. wouhe-eo— enough money. i mean, come on. listen, you've 86 grand. you listen, you've got 86 grand. you hhow— listen, you've got 86 grand. you. hhow—tor know how much you're getting for the-hho— know how much you're getting for the .and -would- know how much you're getting for the .and -would .thatl know how much you're getting for tilook, and would that know how much you're getting for tilook, an know, would that know how much you're getting for tilook, an know, wou|come that know how much you're getting for tilook, an know, wou|come you , look, you know, how come you can-politicians- , look, you know, how come you can-politicians all. , look, you know, how come you can money politicians all , look, you know, how come you can money and oliticians all , look, you know, how come you

can money and allicians all , look, you know, how come you can money and alliciarmoney this money and all the money that— this money and all the money that-wasted— this money and all the money that-wasted over- this money and all the money that wasted over covid? that was wasted over covid? whtoh— that was wasted over covid? hthtoh ts— that was wasted over covid? which is true. _ that was wasted over covid? which is true. mean, you which is true. well i mean, you how.— which is true. well i mean, you hhow—turns- which is true. well i mean, you know,_turns out- which is true. well i mean, youi know,_turns out that which is true. well i mean, youi kilot,_turns out that which is true. well i mean, you kilot of turns out that which is true. well i mean, you kilot of this turns out that which is true. well i mean, you kilot of this moneyirns out that which is true. well i mean, you kilot of this money went ut that which is true. well i mean, you kilot of this money went to that a lot of this money went to peopte— a lot of this money went to- peopte—memhers a lot of this money went to- people_members of people who knew the members of the—meae- people who knew the members of the|know, _mean, i people who knew the members of the know, the mean, people who knew the members of the know, the ppe mean, people who knew the members of the know, the ppe and an, people who knew the members of the know, the ppe and stuff you know, with the ppe and stuff like you know, with the ppe and stuff the that. — you know, with the ppe and stuff like that. michelle _ you know, with the ppe and stuff like that. michelle mone so, you how.— like that. michelle mone so, you hhow—ththgsl know, there's all these things aotuattw—how- know, there's all these things actually-now .- know, there's all these things actually now . these actually going on now. these peopte— actually going on now. these peopte-toohthg- people will be looking at that ant— and saying, well, we've had enough. — and saying, well, we've had enough. |gutte— and saying, well, we've had enough. lc. tihlgititi and saying, well, we've had enough. iquite agree. are enough. i quite agree. those are all viable grievances. all just viable grievances. i mean, mps, i think they've mean, the mps, i think they've i think had 30% over the think they have had 30% over the last whatever is, 5 or 6 last whatever it is, 5 or 6 years. no, they haven't had 30% over last years. well, over the last five years. well, he over up it up he goes over up it goes up a oertath— he goes over up it goes up a certain they've— he goes over up it goes up a certain they've had 3% whatever. but certain they've had 3% whatever. hut wou— certain they've had 3% whatever. hut hou-thewhe— certain they've had 3% whatever. but you _they've had - but you know, they've had a good, know, senior good, you know, a senior consultant of these consultant which a lot of these junior up being junior doctors will end up being , earns vastly more than an mp. exactly . they can earn 150 to exactly. they can earn 150 to soothe. — exactly. they can earn 150 to 200,000. militancy- exactly. they can earn 150 to 200,000. it: c fig exactly. they can earn 150 to- 200,000. militancy at the moment is in a rich vein of form. the unions are riding the crest of a very successful wave at the moment. your friend mick. mick. htoh— moment. your friend mick. mick. htoh lynch-— moment. your friend mick. mick. mick lynch. my your your mick lynch. my your twin your thinner twin. my twin. no and they've twigged onto the fact that there are settlements to be had like there currently the nurses settlement, there are negotiations and i think an

agreement is there or thereabouts or is it currently in place. so now the junior doctors want a bit of this. they want a taste of of this. and want a taste of all of this. and if it, everyone else if they get it, everyone else will. leapfrogging over there. yeah— will. leapfrogging over there. yeah the— will. leapfrogging over there. yeah, the teachers— cc leapfrogging over there. yeah, the teachers every public servant— yeah, the teachers every public servant-watt— yeah, the teachers every public servant-wanthut- yeah, the teachers every public servant want but that's servant will want it, but that's what— servant will want it, but that's what t— servant will want it, but that's what t ththh— servant will want it, but that's what i think. i— servant will want it, but that's what i think. i said earlier that— what i think. i said earlier that-these— what i think. i said earlier that these strikes are very that the these strikes are very pottttotset — that the these strikes are very politicised and— that the these strikes are very politicised and the fact that they— politicised and the fact that they — politicised and the fact that they were all— politicised and the fact that they were all happening together wher tt— they were all happening together whenever it was— they were all happening together whenever it was what was it? was it whenever it was what was it? was tt—we— whenever it was what was it? was tt—we hat— whenever it was what was it? was tt—we hat rath- whenever it was what was it? was it_we had rail, we. it a month ago we had rail, we hat—gohg- it a month ago we had rail, we hat—gohg tt- it a month ago we had rail, we had-going, it was. had everybody going, it was rtght—etse- right and everyone else oomptetetw— right and everyone else completely it's right and everyone else con a letely it's right and everyone else cona coincidence it's right and everyone else cona coincidence . it's right and everyone else cona coincidence . htzt it's right and everyone else cona coincidence . \tt.z.t . right and everyone else cona coincidence . htzt not a coincidence. no, no, of course it's not. although i disagree with with the pair of you salary. i think you about mps salary. i think they be on you about mps salary. i think they-be on-more. you about mps salary. i think. they-be on-more. they should be on a lot more. no.— they should be on a lot more. he no— they should be on a lot more. he thew— they should be on a lot more. htzt l i c well, no, no, they shouldn't. well, well, we no, no, they shouldn't. well, well,-we disagree. i well, that's. we disagree. you rememher—ts- well, that's. we disagree. you. remember—is-the remember the 86,000 is just the basic. also like basic. and they also get like a second allowance they second home allowance and they also get lots of other things. that's but but that's the expensive but but they allowance they get second home allowance and they and that's their expensive they have in two places. and that's their expensive they have can't in two places. and that's their expensive they have can't vast two places. and that's their expensive they have can't vast majority. yeah they can't vast majority. yeah hut—getng- but but you're still getting that still that right. they're still getting that. some people some people commute in people might have to commute in and back or stay at a place and pay and back or stay at a place and pay it their own pay for it out of their own money. that. plus money. so they get that. plus they things other they get other things that other benefits think that benefits as well. i think that that's just tip of the

that's just the tip of the iceberg. of money iceberg. the amount of money they it's they actually i think it's dangerous, they dangerous, though, when they start what start saying. but that's what people at. see it's people are looking at. see it's incomparable. no, no, no, hootor. — incomparable. no, no, no, doctor. that's what doctor. and but that's what they're and think doctor. and but that's what they well, and think doctor. and but that's what theywell, i and think doctor. and but that's what theywell, i don't and think doctor. and but that's what theywell, i don't think think doctor. and but that's what they well, i don't think they 1k it is well, i don't think they shouldn't be looking at mps because that's a tiny number. shouldn't be looking at mps becrthat'siat's a tiny number. shouldn't be looking at mps becrthat's one a tiny number. shouldn't be looking at mps becrthat's one a “the number. shouldn't be looking at mps becrthat's one a “the elements i but that's one of the elements i also money wasted also mentioned the money wasted over the over covid as well. and the other-that— over covid as well. and the other-that-junior. other thing that the junior tootors— other thing that the junior tootors-ts— other thing that the junior doctors is massive, doctors get is mad massive, massive-pension- massive salary pension arrangements the arrangements which people in the prtwate— arrangements which people in the prtwate-oah— arrangements which people in the private-can only— arrangements which people in the private can only get, private sector can only get, out— private sector can only get, ooutt—ot- private sector can only get, ooutt—ot .- private sector can only get, could _of . andi could only dream of. and atthough— could only dream of. and atthough wou— could only dream of. and although you not think although you may not think that-s— although you may not think that's important when that's terribly important when woure— that's terribly important when woure sh— that's terribly important when youe so or— that's terribly important when youe so or so— that's terribly important when you're 25 or 30 and you're on the— you're 25 or 30 and you're on the hottom — you're 25 or 30 and you're on the bottom rung— you're 25 or 30 and you're on the bottom rung and you're only gettthg— the bottom rung and you're only gettthg he— the bottom rung and you're only getting 40, 50,000— the bottom rung and you're only getting 40, 50,000 a year, in hot.— getting 40, 50,000 a year, in toot-get- getting 40, 50,000 a year, in toot-get to - getting 40, 50,000 a year, in toot-get to my- getting 40, 50,000 a year, in fact, get to my sort getting 40, 50,000 a year, in. fact,-get to my sort of fact, when you get to my sort of age — fact, when you get to my sort of age _how— fact, when you get to my sort of age,_how importantl fact, when you get to my sort of age pension how important fact, when you get to my sort of age pension is how important fact, when you get to my sort of age pension is hoyou1portant fact, when you get to my sort of age pension is hoyou1portwish the pension is and you will wish that— the pension is and you will wish that-a— the pension is and you will wish that-a htt— the pension is and you will wish that-a bit more- the pension is and you will wish that a bit more aside. that you'd put a bit more aside. hho— that you'd put a bit more aside. and we— that you'd put a bit more aside. hht we-the— that you'd put a bit more aside. and we the taxpayer is doing and we see the taxpayer is doing it and we see the taxpayer is doing tt-tootors — and we see the taxpayer is doing it-doctors. ithink- it for these doctors. i think perhaps— it for these doctors. i think perhaps government, perhaps the government, if they agree to a pay settlement, should with notions should then come up with notions that going to this, that if you're going to do this, then to certain then you have to forego certain strike. can't strike and strike. you can't strike and we'll to a certain we'll agree to a certain increase as every as they increase as every year as they sort do anyway. but i don't sort of do anyway. but i don't think they should be allowed to strike. think do. strike. i don't think they do. but other element but the other the other element is i think it should chipped is i think it should be chipped away well. i away at their pension as well. i find rise then,

find that's not a pay rise then, is that's irrelevant is it? well, that's irrelevant because they're getting an instant pay rise. what they're wanting then wanting for inflation. so then i think their pension should also be well. can't be dealt with as well. you can't just you just have just have you can't just have double having. their double their having. their pensions doubled, pensions are being doubled, literally. i mean, it's ridiculous. i absolutely ridiculous. i find it absolutely astohtshthg— ridiculous. i find it absolutely astonishing—in. astonishing that anybody in the heatth— astonishing that anybody in the heath—who- astonishing that anybody in thel health _who goes health service, anyone who goes thto— health service, anyone who goes thto-heatth— health service, anyone who goes into-health care- health service, anyone who goes into-health care ,- into it offering health care, woutt— into it offering health care, would-consider- into it offering health care, would consider going on would even consider going on strhe. — would even consider going on strhe. t— would even consider going on strike. i really— would even consider going on strike. i really do. apparently - strike. i really do. apparently, the strikes are going health care back 11 going to put health care back 11 days. of course, it will. of course least four course it will. at least four days 89 year old days will mean my 89 year old beloved cracked his head beloved father cracked his head open home and an ambulance open at home and an ambulance came taken warwick came and he was taken to warwick hospital nothing came and he was taken to warwick hos praise nothing came and he was taken to warwick hos praise for nothing came and he was taken to warwick hos praise for the nothing came and he was taken to warwick hos praise for the wholetthing came and he was taken to warwick hos praise for the whole of ng came and he was taken to warwick hos praise for the whole of the but praise for the whole of the nhs. god for my 89 nhs. but thank god for my 89 year— nhs. but thank god for my 89 year ott— nhs. but thank god for my 89 year old father— h but thank god for my 89 year old father didn't crack his heat—there- year old father didn't crack his head _there was- head open when there was a parametto— head open when there was a parametto or— head open when there was a paramedic or doctor. paramedic or a doctor. strike. yesr_ paramedic or a doctor. strike. hes ptease— paramedic or a doctor. strike. yes, please don't— paramedic or a doctor. yes, please don't crack your heat— yes, please don't crack your heat opeh— yes, please don't crack your heat open at— yes, please don't crack your head open at all, especially not in head open at all, especially not th—tays- head open at all, especially not in _ days, because i in the next five days, because the— in the next five days, because. thts—you this show is nothing without you and this show is nothing without you ant—tets- this show is nothing without youi and—let's welcome and your views. so let's welcome our-hrtttsh— and your views. so let's welcome our- british voices,- our great british voices, their opportuhtty— opportunity to be on the show att— opportunity to be on the show ant—ththhl and tell us what they think ahout— and tell us what they think about-topics- and tell us what they think about topics i'm discussing about the topics i'm discussing two— about the topics i'm discussing two ot— about the topics i'm discussing two ot you— about the topics i'm discussing two of you today,— about the topics i'm discussing two of you today, because a lot of two of you today, because a lot ot-are— two of you today, because a lot ot-are eattng— two of you today, because a lot of are eating easter eggs. of you are eating easter eggs. hho— of you are eating easter eggs. ant-start— of you are eating easter eggs. ant-start-you- of you are eating easter eggs. and start you, doctor and i'll start with you, doctor oheshey— and i'll start with you, doctor chesnehthink?_ and i'll start with you, doctor chesnehthink? you're a doctor . do you think? you're a doctor. hoot— do you think? you're a doctor. good afternoon,— do you think? you're a doctor. good afternoon, nana. yes, a

very— good afternoon, nana. yes, a very interesting— good afternoon, nana. yes, a very interesting discussion. i ooh-t— very interesting discussion. i toh-t ththh— very interesting discussion. i don't think the _ very interesting discussion. i don't think the doctors are hethg— don't think the doctors are hethg greety— don't think the doctors are hethg greety .— don't think the doctors are being greedy . i think they're being greedy. i think they're ashthg— being greedy. i think they're ashthg tor— being greedy. i think they're ashthg tor a— being greedy. i think they're asking for a third on top of ther— asking for a third on top of hot satary— asking for a third on top of their salary because doctors worh— their salary because doctors worh tong— their salary because doctors work long hours— their salary because doctors work long hours . a lot of the work long hours. a lot of the tumor— work long hours. a lot of the junior doctors— work long hours. a lot of the junior doctors nana and everyone that-s— junior doctors nana and everyone that's listening— junior doctors nana and everyone that's listening .— junior doctors nana and everyone that's listening . doctors have that's listening. doctors have to pay— that's listening. doctors have to pay haoh— that's listening. doctors have to pay back their— that's listening. doctors have to pay back their loans, which theyhe — to pay back their loans, which they've studied— to pay back their loans, which they've studied for five years. hho— they've studied for five years. and oh — they've studied for five years. and on a— they've studied for five years. and on a junior— they've studied for five years. and on a junior doctor's salary . wtth— and on a junior doctor's salary . wtth the— and on a junior doctor's salary , with the cost— and on a junior doctor's salary , with the cost of— and on a junior doctor's salary , with the cost of living crisis ant— , with the cost of living crisis and inflation,— , with the cost of living crisis and inflation, i— , with the cost of living crisis and inflation, i think they need the— and inflation, i think they need this increase.— and inflation, i think they need this increase. and— and inflation, i think they need this increase. and i don't think tootors— this increase. and i don't think doctors would— this increase. and i don't think doctors would be— this increase. and i don't think doctors would be going on strhe— doctors would be going on strhe. hho— doctors would be going on strike. and also- doctors would be going on strike. and also asking for a thtrt— strike. and also asking for a thtrt tt— strike. and also asking for a thtrt tt they— strike. and also asking for a third if they didn't think that it third if they didn't think that tt ws— third if they didn't think that it was realistic. _ third if they didn't think that it was realistic. well well, i ooh-t— it was realistic. well well, i toh-t hhow. — it was realistic. well well, i don't know. i— it was realistic. well well, i don't know. i mean, 35. i mean, if don't know. i mean, 35. i mean, t you— don't know. i mean, 35. i mean, t you went— don't know. i mean, 35. i mean, t you went to— don't know. i mean, 35. i mean, if you went to your— don't know. i mean, 35. i mean, if you went to your boss and sate— if you went to your boss and sat. oah— if you went to your boss and sat. t— if you went to your boss and said, can i have— if you went to your boss and said, can i have an extra over a throt— said, can i have an extra over a mpg, t— said, can i have an extra over a mpg, t ththh— said, can i have an extra over a third, i think most— said, can i have an extra over a third, i think most of them woutt— third, i think most of them woutt tett— third, i think most of them would tell you— third, i think most of them would tell you where to go. you hhow.— would tell you where to go. you hhow-out— would tell you where to go. you hhow-outlmy- know, just just out of my thoughts— know, just just out of my thoughtsibut- know, just just out of my thoughts but suspect thoughts. but i suspect most peopte— thoughts. but i suspect most peopte-attort- thoughts. but i suspect most people-afford it- people couldn't afford it ether.— people couldn't afford it either. brian— people couldn't afford it either. brian dugan, what do you ththh— either. brian dugan, what do you ththh-there— either. brian dugan, what do you think there solihull ? think are there in solihull? heth— think are there in solihull? htett. t— think are there in solihull? htett. t agree— think are there in solihull? well, i agree with- think are there in solihull? well, i agree with chesney largely. i well, i agree with chesney largely . i think that, um, largely. i think that, um, hor— largely. i think that, um, however , you _ lg i think that, um, however , you know, angry we may

however, you know, angry we may be however, you know, angry we may he ahout— however, you know, angry we may he ahout the— however, you know, angry we may be about the fact— however, you know, angry we may be about the fact that people who— be about the fact that people who — be about the fact that people who are providing health care wtt— who are providing health care wttt wtt— who are providing health care wttt wttt he— who are providing health care will will be going on strike. hho— will will be going on strike. and we— will will be going on strike. and we don't— will will be going on strike. and we don't want that. of . hho— and we don't want that. of course . and we- and we don't want that. of course . and we have to look course. and we have to look them— course. and we have to look them wett— course. and we have to look then. well, the— course. and we have to look then. well, the conditions must not he— then. well, the conditions must not he rtght— then. well, the conditions must not be right and— then. well, the conditions must not be right and the conditions wtthth— not be right and the conditions wtthth the— not be right and the conditions within the parameters and within the straps— within the parameters and within the strains and— within the parameters and within the strains and within the unprecedented record levels of wattthg— unprecedented record levels of wattthg ttsts— unprecedented record levels of waiting lists and— unprecedented record levels of waiting lists and all the rest of waiting lists and all the rest ot the— waiting lists and all the rest ot the hot— waiting lists and all the rest of the a&e that— waiting lists and all the rest of the a&e that they had over the wthter— of the a&e that they had over the winter and— of the a&e that they had over the winter and junior doctors art— the winter and junior doctors and healthcare— the winter and junior doctors and healthcare staff and persohhet— and healthcare staff and personnel in— and healthcare staff and personnel in general are having to heat— personnel in general are having to heat wtth— personnel in general are having to deal with all— personnel in general are having to deal with all that. and i ththh— to deal with all that. and i ththh mar,— to deal with all that. and i think that, you— to deal with all that. and i think that, you know, like that hethg— think that, you know, like that nurses being on— think that, you know, like that nurses being on strike the fact that— nurses being on strike the fact that physiotherapists have been on strhe— that physiotherapists have been on strike, paramedics have been on strike, paramedics have been on strhe— on strike, paramedics have been on strhe. the— on strike, paramedics have been on strike. the fact— on strike, paramedics have been on strike. the fact that no one's been on— on strike. the fact that no one's been on strike, we're toohthg— one's been on strike, we're toohthg at— one's been on strike, we're looking at this. _ one's been on strike, we're looking at this. i think we have to see— looking at this. i think we have to tt— looking at this. i think we have to tt th— looking at this. i think we have to see it in totality. and there otearty— to see it in totality. and there are clearly issues— to see it in totality. and there are clearly issues and there are targer— are clearly issues and there are targer tssues— are clearly issues and there are larger issues. and— are clearly issues and there are larger issues. and they need to be addressed. _ larger issues. and they need to be addressed. rihiti larger issues. and they need to be addressed. [mfg ttz�*”hiil be addressed. okay. so are they greedy then? yes or no? greedy or not greedy? brian greedy or not greedy . quickly i would say

not greedy. quickly i would say i would say i would say it's not realistic. no, not greedy or not greety. — realistic. no, not greedy or not greety. ho.— realistic. no, not greedy or not greety. we to— realistic. no, not greedy or not greedy. no, no, no,- realistic. no, not greedy or not greedy. no, no, no, no.- ”titi; ti. no, not greedy or not greedy. htzt htzt greedy. no, no, no, no. no. greedy or not greedy. are they being or not greedy ? no, being greedy or not greedy? no, not greedy . okay. and greedy are not greedy. okay. and greedy are not greedy. okay. and greedy are not greedy. okay. and greedy are not greedy . not greedy . all not greedy. not greedy. all right. thank you so much. that's stephanie in milton keynes and bnan stephanie in milton keynes and brian from solihull. thank you so story so much. right. another story that eye today that caught my eye today stripping prince and stripping prince harry and meghan titles meghan markle of their titles at last. meghan markle of their titles at last . it's meghan markle of their titles at last. it's being discussed at the highest that's to the highest level. that's to according book, according an explosive new book, buckingham are buckingham palace officials are claimed talks on claimed to have held talks on whether take away the whether to take away the couple's as the duke couple's titles as the duke and duchess although they duchess of sussex. although they then and prince, then become prince and prince, which is not great. but you can take away well. that's take those away as well. that's following public following a serious public attack from to the royal attack from the to the royal family on the royal family from them. that's according a them. and that's according to a book royal writer book by veteran royal writer robert jobson. despite pressure from his aides, king charles is eager to not antagonise his son, though should they their though so should they lose their titles? panel titles? let's see what my panel , and danny , christine hamilton and danny kelly, . christine kelly, make of that. christine us, titles away . us, take the titles away. absolutely. i've had enough of prince. well, whatever. but i

woutt— prince. well, whatever. but i woutt tt— prince. well, whatever. but i woutt tt you— prince. well, whatever. but i would if you could- 37” iti.ti well, whatever. but i would if you could strip the ppm.— would if you could strip the ppp, t— would if you could strip the hrh, i definitely would. they honesty.— hrh, i definitely would. they honesty-rust- hrh, i definitely would. they honestly, just don't honestly, they just don't deserve— honestly, they just don't deserve - any - honestly, they just don't deserve any longer. honestly, they just don't- deserve-any longer. danny deserve them any longer. danny toes— deserve them any longer. danny toes the— deserve them any longer. danny toes the wtth— deserve them any longer. danny does the hrh them in does the hrh monetise them in any way— does the hrh monetise them in any way o — does the hrh monetise them in any way o ho— does the hrh monetise them in any way ? do they?- does the hrh monetise them in any way ? htit citigr7' o i does the hrh monetise them in any way ? htit citigt7’ hcihi c ? does the hrh monetise them in any way ? htit citigt7’ hcihi c 3 any way? do they? oh, it's hrh, it's the duke and duchess , it's the duke and duchess, duchess of sussex take the lot. the sussex doesn't. so the duke will the sussex doesn't. so the duke wttt go. — the sussex doesn't. so the duke will go. maybe the title is that monetised. well they monetise all of it the whole way they make their living is by monetising their connection. i'm going to say no. i'm going to say— i'm going to say no. i'm going to say to— i'm going to say no. i'm going to say no. i'm going to say they should keep him because cause i think down they're decent think deep down they're decent people and they're constantly under attack . you, you. mr. under attack. you, you. mr. hehy— under attack. you, you. mr. hey. are— under attack. you, you. mr. hetty. rust— under attack. you, you. mr. kelly, are just being- kelly, are just being provocative. ti cigt itlg kelly, are just being- provocative. he's trying to kelly, are just being— provocative. he's trying to play devil's advocate. you know, i don't believe that. i think that that-s— don't believe that. i think that thats my— don't believe that. i think that that's my opinion.— don't believe that. i think that that's my opinion. he's- ltiti c i think that that's my opinion. he's playing tett-s— that's my opinion. he's playing devil's advocate— that's my opinion. he's playing devil's advocate from stripper to. — devil's advocate from stripper to. ho.— devil's advocate from stripper to. he they-re— devil's advocate from stripper to. no, they're nice- devil's advocate from stripper to. htzt iti i ti.ti to. no, they're nice people within a sentence . you don't within a sentence. you don't mean within a sentence. you don't that.— within a sentence. you don't mean that. but— i i you don't mean that. but anyway, what do you ththh? — mean that. but anyway, what do youththho .way— mean that. but anyway, what do you think? iti you think? the way they're behaving coronation behaving over the coronation is appalling. to appalling. if you're asked to rsvp a certain date , you do rsvp by a certain date, you do it. batman. batman calling. i ththh— it. batman. batman calling. i ththh tts— c batman. batman calling. i think it's unanimous with the ttttes. — think it's unanimous with the ttttes. hahhy— think it's unanimous with the titles. danny is— think it's unanimous with the

titles. danny is just acting . titles. danny is just acting. how— titles. danny is just acting. how tts— titles. danny is just acting. now it's time— titles. danny is just acting. now it's time to- titles. danny is just acting. now it's time to supplement sohhy— now it's time to supplement sohhy .— now it's time to supplement sohhy . he-s— now it's time to supplement sonny. he's not— now it's time to supplement sonny. he's not a very good one ether.— sonny. he's not a very good one other. hy— sonny. he's not a very good one other. hy pahet— sonny. he's not a very good one either. my panel and i would the— either. my panel and i would the to— either. my panel and i would like to discuss— either. my panel and i would like to discuss some of the new stores— like to discuss some of the new stortes that— like to discuss some of the new stories that caught— like to discuss some of the new stories that caught their eye. so stories that caught their eye. so—tol stories that caught their eye.j so—to go so let's see who wants to go ttst— so let's see who wants to go first-go— so let's see who wants to go ttrst-go to— so let's see who wants to go first. go to danny. your first. let's go to danny. your supptemeht— first. let's go to danny. your supplement about yeah supplement is about ulez. yeah httz— supplement is about ulez. yeah hes so— supplement is about ulez. yeah ulez so unpopular. i was reoehtty— ulez so unpopular. i was recently stung _ ulez so unpopular. i was recently stung with a £60 fine for no driving in birmingham. this goes back to july and they've only just caught up with me. £60 fine. and it's just so deeply unpopular and so deeply unfair and mayor khan and he's been voted in twice. so he's popular. he's now extending it anyway london boroughs could be given a brexit style in or out reference vote over ulez tory london mayoral hopeful vows to let voters decide whether to keep the popular or unpopular ulez, depending on your point of view. so you could go round certain boroughs in polluting vehicles quote unquote, and not get stung. and it's going to be like a referendum . and i like a referendum. and i guarantee this is just me guarantee you this is just me being a man of the people , being a man of the people, knowing people home are knowing that people at home are men and women of the people

themselves. they will overwhelmingly, if they drive a car, they will vote no . we don't car, they will vote no. we don't want httz— car, they will vote no. we don't want ulez because— ti.tihi cc we don't want ulez because nobody wants httz. — want ulez because nobody wants httz. hhat— want ulez because nobody wants httz. what to— want ulez because nobody wants ulez. what do you _ want ulez because nobody wants ulez. what do you think? hohoty-s— ulez. what do you think? nobody's nobody's- ulez. what do you think? nobody's nobody's vote nobody's nobody's going to vote for them, are for more taxes on them, are they? right. they? but no, you're right. of course well, what they? but no, you're right. of cowabsolutely well, what they? but no, you're right. of cowabsolutely delighted what they? but no, you're right. of cowabsolutely delighted about they? but no, you're right. of cotis bsolutely delighted about they? but no, you're right. of cotis a;olutely delighted about they? but no, you're right. of cotis a victory delighted about they? but no, you're right. of cotis a victory forlighted about they? but no, you're right. of cotis a victory for common )0ul is, is a victory for common sense, which is kemi badenoch has that is no has now said that there is no way government is going way the government is going to give government time for give the government time for this protection bill, this worker protection bill, which would have made employers liable for staff being offended in there. so if somebody was in a pub and somebody made an offensive remark , they thought offensive remark, they thought a customer , a remark that they customer, a remark that they thought offensive , they thought was offensive, they could damages from the could then seek damages from the pub i mean, it's pub landlord. i mean, it's utterly crazy. a lib dem utterly crazy. it was a lib dem private member's bill, which lib dem, course it should have dem, of course it should have been knocked on the head on the friday. all the government had to sure there was to do was make sure there was one there i object and one mp there to say i object and it would been anyway. it would have been anyway. they've hooray. thank they've woken up. hooray. thank god that. they've woken up. hooray. thank god-that. knocked— they've woken up. hooray. thank god-that. knocked on- they've woken up. hooray. thank god-that. knocked on the- god for that. knocked on the heat. — god for that. knocked on the heat. _ts— god for that. knocked on the heat. _ts rust- god for that. knocked on the. head. _is just-show head. now this is just to show how— head. now this is just to showi how—the how they were sleeping at the wheeh — how they were sleeping at the wheeh _hery- wheel, which is very unfortunate. finally my supptement- unfortunate. finally my supplement. are supplement. the government are atmthg— supplement. the government are atmthg-out— supplement. the government are aiming-out-plans- aiming to lay out their plans to maho— aiming to lay out their plans to

make-difficult- aiming to lay out their plans to make difficult under make it more difficult for under etghteehs— make it more difficult for under eighteens purchase eighteens to purchase e—cigarettes- eighteens to purchase e—cigarettes are e—cigarettes, which i think are awtut— e—cigarettes, which i think are awtut .— e—cigarettes, which i think are awtut . the— e—cigarettes, which i think are awful . the nhs— e—cigarettes, which i think are awful . the nhs data shows that 1 awful. the nhs data shows that 1 in awful. the nhs data shows that 1 th to— awful. the nhs data shows that 1 th to seoohtary— awful. the nhs data shows that 1 in 10 secondary school pupils are in 10 secondary school pupils regutar— in 10 secondary school pupils are regular-so- in 10 secondary school pupils are regular-so a- in 10 secondary school pupils are regular so a lot of are regular vapers, so a lot of ahout— are regular vapers, so a lot of concern about health. what do you— concern about health. what do. you—ohrtstthe you think about these? christine and happy? — you think about these? christine aht hahhyo oh— you think about these? christine and danny? tciti and danny? oh well, it's difficult, it? i mean, and danny? oh well, it's diffi(are it? i mean, and danny? oh well, it's diffi(are bettert? i mean, and danny? oh well, it's diffi(are better for mean, and danny? oh well, it's diffi(are better for mea'than they are better for you than real cigarettes , but they are, real cigarettes, but they are, so far as we know , apparently. so far as we know, apparently. but are possibly the but they are possibly the gateway to real cigarettes. so i think it's yeah, i used to smoke. i live on a i live on a root— smoke. i live on a i live on a roat where— smoke. i live on a i live on a road where there— smoke. i live on a i live on a road where there are- i live on a i live on a road where there are two schools aho— road where there are two schools and ah— road where there are two schools and ah you— road where there are two schools and at you see— road where there are two schools and all you see at— road where there are two schools and all you see at 3:30, you can hartty— and all you see at 3:30, you can hartty see— and all you see at 3:30, you can hartty the— and all you see at 3:30, you can hardly see the because hardly see the kids because there-s—hape- hardly see the kids because there's—vape . i hardly see the kids because- there's_vape . yeah, there's plumes of vape. yeah, yeah.— there's plumes of vape. yeah, yeah. yeah.— there's plumes of vape. yeah, yeah. yeah. tts— there's plumes of vape. h/titih i gthiiltt?�* i gthiiltt?�* i it's disgusting. yeah, yeah. it's disgusting. i ooh-t— yeah, yeah. it's disgusting. i toh-t the— yeah, yeah. it's disgusting. i don't like it.— yeah, yeah. it's disgusting. i don't like it. i— yeah, yeah. it's disgusting. i don't like it. i hate- it's disgusting. i don't like it. i hate it. i ooh-t— don't like it. i hate it. i toh-t see— don't like it. i hate it. i don't see the- don't like it. i hate it. i don't see the point of it, trophy.— don't see the point of it, frankly. but— don't see the point of it, frankly. but on- don't see the point of it, frankly. but on today's show, the—shoute- frankly. but on today's show, i've-and-should- frankly. but on today's show, i've and inclusion.d diversity and inclusion be a prtortty— diversity and inclusion be a prtortty-hthg-s- priority for the king's coronation- priority for the king's coronation ?- priority for the king's coronation ? according to our coronation? according to our twttter—say twitter poll, 26% of you say yes — twitter poll, 26% of you say yes torto— twitter poll, 26% of you say yes. the ot— twitter poll, 26% of you say yes. torts ot you— twitter poll, 26% of you say yes. 74% of you are saying no . yes. 74% of you are saying no. no.— yes. 74% of you are saying no. he t— yes. 74% of you are saying no. he t agree— yes. 74% of you are saying no. no, i agree with— yes. 74% of you are saying no. no, i agree with you totally. tttght. — no, i agree with you totally. tttght. thahh— no, i agree with you totally. right. thank you so much to my paheh— right. thank you so much to my paheh-aht— right. thank you so much to my panel, and broadcaster panel, author and broadcaster ohrtstthe— panel, author and broadcaster christine christine, panel, author and broadcaster christiyou christine, panel, author and broadcaster christiyou very christine, panel, author and broadcaster christiyou very much. ristine, panel, author and broadcaster christiyou very much. ristipleasure thank you very much. my pleasure . as atways. — thank you very much. my pleasure , as always-danny— thank you very much. my pleasure , as always. danny kelly, , as always. and danny kelly, thahh— , as always. and danny kelly, thahh-so— , as always. and danny kelly, thahh-so-to- , as always. and danny kelly, thank-so-to you. , as always. and danny kelly, thank so to you as thank you so much to you as wet. — thank you so much to you as hot. _you.- thank you so much to you as hot. _you. young- thank you so much to you as. well. _you, young lady. well. thank you, young lady. happy to well. thank you, young lady. happy-to everybdy-- well. thank you, young lady. | happy _to everybody. see happy easter to everybody. see you—hes.- happy easter to everybody. see you—hes. ttstemi

you next sunday. yes. listen, wett— you next sunday. yes. listen, we'll see you. easter on we'll see you. happy easter on friday. saturday even. thank you so much to your company so much to you for your company as be back next as well. i'll be back next saturday at the time of 3:00. have fantastic week and happy have a fantastic week and happy easter. hello have a fantastic week and happy easter . hello there. very good easter. hello there. very good ehehthg— easter. hello there. very good ehehthg .— easter. hello there. very good ewehthg . tm— hello there. very good evening . i'm jonathan vautrey. evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. here— evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. here ts— evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. here ts your— evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. here is your latest weather uptate— here is your latest weather uptate trom — here is your latest weather update from the met office . update from the met office. the-re— update from the met office. were seethg— update from the met office. we're seeing a— update from the met office. we're seeing a change to someththg— we're seeing a change to something unsettled as we're seeing a change to- something-unsettled as we something more unsettled as we heat—tohtght- something more unsettled as we head—tonight and- something more unsettled as we head tonight and over head throughout tonight and over the next— head throughout tonight and over the next-hays— head throughout tonight and over the next-daysihigh- the next few days as high pressure-its- the next few days as high pressure its way off. pressure drifts its way off. tts— pressure drifts its way off.i it's _weather it's allowing these weather trohts— it's allowing these weather fronts. start— it's allowing these weather fronts-start-inl it's allowing these weather. fronts-start-in from fronts to start pushing in from the attahtto— fronts to start pushing in from the atlantic and— fronts to start pushing in from the atlantic and bring these the atlantic and bring us these spetts— the atlantic and bring us these spetts ot— the atlantic and bring us these spetts ot rah— the atlantic and bring us these spells of rain and— the atlantic and bring us these spells of rain and showers. the tsohars— spells of rain and showers. the isobars-squeezing- spells of rain and showers. the isobars squeezing together isobars also squeezing together amolre— isobars also squeezing together amolre so— isobars also squeezing together almor so we— isobars also squeezing together a.more. so we will- isobars also squeezing together a more. so we will certainly a bit more. so we will certainly a whey— a bit more. so we will certainly see a windy night— a bit more. so we will certainly see a windy night to come, parttoutarty— see a windy night to come, particularly around coastal areas-scotland - particularly around coastal. areas-scotland _there areas of scotland where there is the—gates. - areas of scotland where there is the—gates. the- areas of scotland where there is the—gales. the rainj the risk of some gales. the rain mohthg— the risk of some gales. the rain motthg trom— the risk of some gales. the rain moving from northern ireland thto— moving from northern ireland thto ester — moving from northern ireland into western scotland, where it ooutt—ttme- into western scotland, where it ooutt—ttme i could be heavy for a time, geheratty— could be heavy for a time, generally across england and hates. — generally across england andi hates. _aht generally across england and- hhtes—aht go wales. the rain will come and go aho— wales. the rain will come and go ant-a— wales. the rain will come and go ant-a htt— wales. the rain will come and go and-a bit patchier- and we'll be a bit patchier through— and we'll be a bit patchier through-night.- and we'll be a bit patchier through night. some clearer through the night. some clearer spehs— through the night. some clearer spells. northern— through the night. some clearer spells northern and spells for northern ireland and western—huh western scotland later on. but that— western scotland later on. but that wht— western scotland later on. but that will allow— western scotland later on. but that will allow temperatures to just that will allow temperatures to rust—more- that will allow temperatures to just—more here.l just drop off a bit more here. ttsewhere— just drop off a bit more here. elsewhere underneath the cloud, it's elsewhere underneath the cloud, tt-s—a— elsewhere underneath the cloud, tt-s—a mttt- elsewhere underneath the cloud, it's—a mild night.- it's going to be a mild night. we it's going to be a mild night. he-muoh- it's going to be a mild night. we-much lower. it's going to be a mild night. we much lower than we won't see much lower than 9 or to o— we won't see much lower than 9 or to o means— we won't see much lower than 9 or 10 c means it— we won't see much lower than 9 or 10 c means it also will be a otouty— or 10 c means it also will be a otouty start— or 10 c means it also will be a otouty start to— or 10 c means it also will be a cloudy start to easter monday .

cloudy start to easter monday. the— cloudy start to easter monday. the rah— cloudy start to easter monday. the rain lingering across the southeast— the rain lingering across the southeast until— the rain lingering across the southeast until the afternoon, ethy— southeast until the afternoon, reatty-aoross- really. and also across shetland. _ really. and also across shetland. behind that, we will see some sunny— shetland. behind that, we will see some sunny spells, but quite tregueht— see some sunny spells, but quite frequent showers— see some sunny spells, but quite frequent showers moving as frequent showers moving in as wet.— frequent showers moving in as wet. these— frequent showers moving in as well. these could— frequent showers moving in as well. these could be heavy in ptaoes— well. these could be heavy in ptaoes wtth— well. these could be heavy in places with the— well. these could be heavy in places with the risk some places with the risk of some hatt— places with the risk of some hail-thunder— places with the risk of some hail-thunder .- places with the risk of some hail thunder . temperatures hail and thunder. temperatures sttghtty— hail and thunder. temperatures slightly compared to slightly down compared to suhtay. — slightly down compared to suhtay. tts— slightly down compared to sunday. it's still around ateraeg— sunday. it's still around average _time. sunday. it's still around average time of sunday. it's still around- average _time of year, average for the time of year, hut— average for the time of year, hut-he— average for the time of year, hut-he that- average for the time of year, but-be that freshl but there will be that fresh heee— but there will be that fresh heee th— but there will be that fresh breeze in-as- but there will be that fresh breeze in as well. showers breeze in place as well. showers oohtthuthg— breeze in place as well. showers continuing into— breeze in place as well. showers continuing into the— breeze in place as well. showers continuing into the evening, parttoutarty— continuing into the evening, particularly the— continuing into the evening, particularly the northern half of particularly the northern half ot the— particularly the northern half ot the th— particularly the northern half of the uk and— particularly the northern half of the uk and over the higher ground— of the uk and over the higher ground .scotland.- of the uk and over the higher ground scotland. could ground of scotland. they could be ground of scotland. they could he-tor— ground of scotland. they could he-torlttme— ground of scotland. they could be-forltime into- ground of scotland. they could be for time into the be wintry for a time into the earty— be wintry for a time into the earty hours— be wintry for a time into the early hours of— be wintry for a time into the early hours of tuesday. the showers— early hours of tuesday. the showers will— early hours of tuesday. the showers will tend to die their early hours of tuesday. the shovofft will tend to die their early hours of tuesday. the shovoff a/ill tend to die their early hours of tuesday. the shovoff a bittend to die their early hours of tuesday. the shovoff a bit more.o die their early hours of tuesday. the shovoff a bit more. they'lleir way off a bit more. they'll stttt— way off a bit more. they'll stttt he— way off a bit more. they'll stttt he a— way off a bit more. they'll still be a scattering in place as we start— still be a scattering in place as we start-the- still be a scattering in place as we start the day . as we start off the day. oeherahy— as we start off the day. generally some clearer spells to hegth— generally some clearer spells to hegth wtth.— generally some clearer spells to hegth wtth hut— generally some clearer spells to begin with, but we're then watohthg— begin with, but we're then watching this— begin with, but we're then watching this rain as it starts pushthg— watching this rain as it starts pushthg th— watching this rain as it starts pushing in from _ watching this rain as it starts pushing in from the southwest. wett— pushing in from the southwest. we'll-southwest- we'll move into southwest thgtahe— we'll move into southwest thgtahe-aht- we'll move into southwest england, and northern england, wales and northern tretaht— england, wales and northern tretaht tor— england, wales and northern ireland for the— england, wales and northern ireland for the afternoon as wett— ireland for the afternoon as wet .— ireland for the afternoon as well , turning— ireland for the afternoon as well , turning quite damp and wet well, turning quite damp and wet here— well, turning quite damp and wet here hut— well, turning quite damp and wet here hut tts— well, turning quite damp and wet here, but it's also— well, turning quite damp and wet here, but it's also going to be aooompahtet— here, but it's also going to be accompanied by— here, but it's also going to be accompanied by a— here, but it's also going to be accompanied by a squeeze in those—that- accompanied by a squeeze in those—that is- accompanied by a squeeze in. those _that is what those isobars, and that is what ooutt— those isobars, and that is what ooutt hrthg— those isobars, and that is what could bring some— those isobars, and that is what could bring some quite disruptive— could bring some quite disruptive winds to western areas-hh— disruptive winds to western areas-hh- so- disruptive winds to western areas-uk. so we- disruptive winds to western areas uk. so we do have areas of the uk. so we do have yettow— areas of the uk. so we do have yellow weather— areas of the uk. so we do have yellow weather warnings in force

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