well . well. - welcome wen.- welcome to wen.— welcome to mark wen. — welcome to mark dolan tonight with— welcome to mark dolan tonight with me— welcome to mark dolan tonight with me stephen— welcome to mark dolan tonight with me stephen allen standing in for— with me stephen allen standing in for mark— with me stephen allen standing in for mark on— with me stephen allen standing in for mark on this easter sunday. — in for mark on this easter sunday. and— in for mark on this easter sunday. 2 f in for mark on this easter sunday. ' d " in for mark on this easter sunday. ' 2 f g " in for mark on this easter- sunday. and once again, we have a great show lined up for you coming up the next two coming up over the next two hours. in my big opinion, as gazza and eubank come to gazza and chris eubank come to blows , i say reality has gone blows, i say reality tv has gone too far and it's our fault for enjoying the cruelty in the big story . labour have vowed to story. labour have vowed to continue controversial ad continue their controversial ad campaign, but have they gone too far this? and 25 years far with this? and 25 years after the signing of the good friday agreement, my big guest tonight northern irish tonight is northern irish politician peer, politician and life peer, baroness kate hoey. big guests , baroness kate hoey. big guests, big stories, big opinions, a

great two hours coming your way. but first, the headlines with bethany elsey . steve, thanks. bethany elsey. steve, thanks. good evening. i'm bethany elsey wm.— good evening. i'm bethany elsey with your— good evening. i'm bethany elsey with your top— good evening. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories— c: " q i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb with your top stories from the hit newsroom— with your top stories from the gb newsroom a— with your top stories from the gb newsroom a funeral service hoo— gb newsroom a funeral service hot teen— gb newsroom a funeral service has been held— gb newsroom a funeral service has been held for— gb newsroom a funeral service has been held for two british ioiooii— has been held for two british israeli sisters— has been held for two british israeli sisters who were killed in tho— israeli sisters who were killed in the occupied— israeli sisters who were killed in the occupied west bank. rina and maya— in the occupied west bank. rina and maya hott— in the occupied west bank. rina and maya dodi were shot dead in thei— and maya dodi were shot dead in their oo— and maya dodi were shot dead in their hw— and maya dodi were shot dead in their to o— and maya dodi were shot dead in their car by a suspected palestinian— their car by a suspected palestinian gunman near an ioiooii— palestinian gunman near an israeli settlement on friday. thei— israeli settlement on friday. their mother— israeli settlement on friday. their mother is— israeli settlement on friday. their mother is still in hoopitoi— their mother is still in hospital and- their mother is still in hospital and is believed to be in o— hospital and is believed to be in a coma . the— hospital and is believed to be in a coma . the girls, aged 15 in a coma. the girls, aged 15 ont— in a coma. the girls, aged 15 and 20,— in a coma. the girls, aged 15 and 20, woo— in a coma. the girls, aged 15 and 20, were born in london but hovot— and 20, were born in london but moved to— and 20, were born in london but moved to israel— and 20, were born in london but moved to israel in— and 20, were born in london but moved to israel in 2014. their tothoi— moved to israel in 2014. their tothoi ,— moved to israel in 2014. their father, rabbi _ moved to israel in 2014. their father , rabbi leo,— moved to israel in 2014. their father , rabbi leo, led the father, rabbi leo, led the service— father, rabbi leo, led the service .— father, rabbi leo, led the service . ho— father, rabbi leo, led the service . he called them an service. he called them an inspiration— service. he called them an inspiration and— service. he called them an inspiration and said he would towe— inspiration and said he would towo them— inspiration and said he would love them forever . the attack love them forever. the attack omit— love them forever. the attack comes amid a— love them forever. the attack comes amid a rise in conflict tho— comes amid a rise in conflict across the region— comes amid a rise in conflict across the region as easter, homotoh— across the region as easter, homotoh ont— across the region as easter, ramadan and passover coincide . ramadan and passover coincide. aho— ramadan and passover coincide. and hertfordshire_ ramadan and passover coincide. and hertfordshire police says thither— and hertfordshire police says further allegations have been moto— further allegations have been mote ogoihot— further allegations have been made against the former metropolitan— made against the former metropolitan police officer ,

metropolitan police officer, howit— metropolitan police officer, david carrick,_ metropolitan police officer, david carrick, since his conviction— david carrick, since his conviction earlier this year. the— conviction earlier this year. the guardian— conviction earlier this year. the guardian newspaper reports thon— the guardian newspaper reports than ten— the guardian newspaper reports more than ten people have oohtootot— more than ten people have contacted the— more than ten people have contacted the force with accusations— contacted the force with accusations including sexual oooouit— accusations including sexual oooouit .— accusations including sexual oooouit . tho— accusations including sexual assault . the cps is now assault. the cps is now investigating- assault. the cps is now investigating .- assault. the cps is now investigating . the 48 year old investigating. the 48 year old ioiiot— investigating. the 48 year old was jailed for— investigating. the 48 year old was jailed for life— investigating. the 48 year old was jailed for life with a hmmhhum— was jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 years after coming— minimum term of 32 years after coming out— minimum term of 32 years after carrying out what— minimum term of 32 years after carrying out what the court homi— carrying out what the court hooit woo— carrying out what the court hooit o— carrying out what the court heard was a catalogue of violent mt— heard was a catalogue of violent oht hmtoi— heard was a catalogue of violent and brutal sex— heard was a catalogue of violent and brutal sex attacks . between and brutal sex attacks. between zoos— and brutal sex attacks. between zoos omi— and brutal sex attacks. between 2003 and 2020,— and brutal sex attacks. between 2003 and 2020, nhs patients face umomiioiot— 2003 and 2020, nhs patients face unparalleled levels— 2003 and 2020, nhs patients face unparalleled levels of disruption. _ unparalleled levels of disruption. when junior doctors in thgioht— disruption. when junior doctors in england strike— disruption. when junior doctors in england strike for four days mom— in england strike for four days tiom mootow— in england strike for four days tiom iuootow .— in england strike for four days from tuesday . that's the warning from tuesday. that's the warning trom— from tuesday. that's the warning tom the— from tuesday. that's the warning from the national— from tuesday. that's the warning from the national medical tiiootoh— from the national medical director, professor stephen powh— director, professor stephen iowio. ho— director, professor stephen powis. he says— director, professor stephen powis. he says he's very concerned with- powis. he says he's very concerned with hospitals facing nearly— concerned with hospitals facing hooiw too — concerned with hospitals facing nearly 100 hours— concerned with hospitals facing nearly 100 hours without up to hott— nearly 100 hours without up to hoit ot— nearly 100 hours without up to half of their— nearly 100 hours without up to half of their medical workforce. tho— half of their medical workforce. the his— half of their medical workforce. the nhs confederation says a quartet— the nhs confederation says a quartet ot— the nhs confederation says a quartet ot o— the nhs confederation says a quarter of a million appointments could be postponed and appointments could be postponed oht o— appointments could be postponed and o hw— appointments could be postponed and a new survey— appointments could be postponed and a new survey reveals more thon— and a new survey reveals more than i— and a new survey reveals more than i im— and a new survey reveals more than i in to— and a new survey reveals more than 1 in 10 teachers have been physiooiw— than 1 in 10 teachers have been physically assaulted by a stutoht— physically assaulted by a student in— physically assaulted by a student in the- physically assaulted by a student in the last year. the

hhs— student in the last year. the his mom— student in the last year. the nhs union says— student in the last year. the nhs union says teachers have hom— nhs union says teachers have been ticket,— nhs union says teachers have been kicked, bitten and punched by omits— been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whist— been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whilst1_ been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whilst 1 in 4 have moot— by pupils whilst 1 in 4 have faced verbal— by pupils whilst 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse from a parent or . at— faced verbal abuse from a parent or carer . at the— faced verbal abuse from a parent or carer . at the union's annual or carer. at the union's annual oohomhoot im— or carer. at the union's annual conference in glasgow today, momomh— conference in glasgow today, members spoke— conference in glasgow today, members spoke about how they'd otto— members spoke about how they'd oioo hom— members spoke about how they'd also been subjected to racism, homot— also been subjected to racism, sexual assault— also been subjected to racism, sexual assault and homophobia . sexual assault and homophobia. at toast— sexual assault and homophobia. at iooot tow— sexual assault and homophobia. at least four people have been tiiiot— at least four people have been tittot im— at least four people have been tittot ih oh— at least four people have been killed in an avalanche in a popuioi— killed in an avalanche in a poputot sting— killed in an avalanche in a popular skiing area of the month— popular skiing area of the month aim— popular skiing area of the french alps ._ popular skiing area of the french alps . it's believed the french alps. it's believed the victims— french alps. it's believed the victims were _ french alps. it's believed the victims were hikers climbing in the onset— victims were hikers climbing in the onset glacier— victims were hikers climbing in the onset glacier near mont hioho. — the onset glacier near mont blanc. several— the onset glacier near mont blanc. several others have been mimet— blanc. several others have been ihiwot im— blanc. several others have been imiwot in o— blanc. several others have been injured in a search— blanc. several others have been injured in a search and rescue ohoiotioh— injured in a search and rescue operation is— injured in a search and rescue operation is still— injured in a search and rescue operation is still underway . operation is still underway. tight— operation is still underway. tight poopto— operation is still underway. eight people are not responding to cotto— eight people are not responding to ooiio omi— eight people are not responding to calls and are— eight people are not responding to calls and are believed to stit— to calls and are believed to otiii ho— to calls and are believed to still be trapped— to calls and are believed to still be trapped under rubble attor— still be trapped under rubble ottoi two— still be trapped under rubble after two residential buildings ooiiohoot— after two residential buildings ooitopoot im— after two residential buildings collapsed in marseille. french authorities— collapsed in marseille. french authorities say— collapsed in marseille. french authorities say an explosion comet— authorities say an explosion eoueet the— authorities say an explosion caused the incident, but the cause is unknown . it sparked cause is unknown. it sparked a tie— cause is unknown. it sparked a the that— cause is unknown. it sparked a fire that complicated rescue ettoite. — fire that complicated rescue ettoite. twe— fire that complicated rescue efforts. five people have been totem— efforts. five people have been totem to— efforts. five people have been taken to hospital— efforts. five people have been taken to hospital with serious imiwiee— taken to hospital with serious injuries. three— taken to hospital with serious injuries. three motty nearby

hoiitihoe— injuries. three motty nearby buildings have— injuries. three motty nearby buildings have been evacuated . buildings have been evacuated. too-te— buildings have been evacuated. too-re oh— buildings have been evacuated. tohe up to— buildings have been evacuated. you're up to date— buildings have been evacuated. you're up to date on tv, online , toti— you're up to date on tv, online , toht totio— you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and— you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and on tune in. thie— , dab+ radio and on tune in. this is— , dab+ radio and on tune in. this is .— this is. gb news. iwelcome- this is. gb news. iwelcome to- this is. gb news. welcome to mark dolan tonight with me, stephen have with me, stephen allen. we have a couple coming a lively couple of hours coming up, settle back and enjoy. up, so settle back and enjoy. it's another bank holiday tomorrow can stay up with tomorrow so you can stay up with us way till 11 us all the way till 11 with clear conscience. so coming up on show in big opinion, on the show in my big opinion, as and chris eubank come as gazza and chris eubank come to i say reality tv, it's to blows, i say reality tv, it's gone too far . and it's our fault gone too far. and it's our fault for enjoying that cruelty . in for enjoying that cruelty. in the big story, labour have vowed to continue controversial to continue their controversial ad campaign, but they gone ad campaign, but have they gone too ? and 25 years after the too far? and 25 years after the signing of the good friday agreement? guest tonight agreement? my big guest tonight is northern irish politician and life peer baroness kate hoey, who might take at ten after police were called a

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this . one is it time opinions. so let's start with this. one is it time that we start calling reality tv what it really is? torture what started as a television genre that looked at how ordinary people live their lives now delivers the entertainment of suffering. the latest evidence of this comes from a channel 4 show called scared of the dark. this is where a bunch of celebrities have to survive, deprived of light. if it's in the dark, why is it not radio. but is it on tv? not radio. but that's side issue. it's a show that's a side issue. it's a show that's a side issue. it's a show that's based on some sensory deprivation . the basic tv deprivation. the basic tv development format here is think of something the geneva convention would not allow you to do to people who to do. and do it to people who are ago. now are famous. two decades ago. now we're that contestants we're hearing that contestants chris eubank and paul gascoigne came blows during the filming came to blows during the filming of the show. who would have thought that was a good thought that that was a good idea? let's take someone idea? i know. let's take someone who's mental who's known for his mental health someone health struggles, someone who's known people, and known for hitting people, and let's if we can wind them let's see if we can wind them right happens on right up and see what happens on top of his well—documented problems alcohol, the

problems with alcohol, the former england footballer has been bipolar been diagnosed with bipolar disorder , suffered with disorder, suffered with obsessive disorder obsessive compulsive disorder and bulimia. people are expressing shock that a tv show would put someone like that under such pressure. but they're missing point. under such pressure. but they're missing point . reality tv is missing the point. reality tv is now all about making people like that suffer . when i was growing that suffer. when i was growing up, being celebrity came with up, being a celebrity came with perks. you'd get nice treatment at restaurants the adoration at restaurants and the adoration of the street, of people in the street, i guess. but now if you're a celeb, send the jungle celeb, we send you to the jungle to the bit of a to chomp on the bit of a kangaroo only to chomp on the bit of a kangar(kangaroo only to chomp on the bit of a kangar(kangaroo would only to chomp on the bit of a kangar(kangaroo would on|near. misses kangaroo would go near. it's not famous who are it's not just the famous who are made to suffer too. for our entertainment. made to suffer too. for our entertainment . let's get bunch entertainment. let's get a bunch of who are obsessed of young people who are obsessed with their looks at an age when dating emotional dating really is an emotional roller watch them roller coaster and watch them get dumped on island. let's get dumped on an island. let's see goes. get dumped on an island. let's see goes . and this is see how that goes. and this is serious. island show serious. love island is a show that has death count. and yet that has a death count. and yet we plough shows that we plough on making shows that distress people more and more . distress people more and more. how long before we make a show called celebrity? me called i'm a celebrity? get me out piranha tank . let's out of this piranha tank. let's see can cause some see if we can cause some fistfights love island. we fistfights on love island. we like to think we've moved like to think that we've moved on of ancient

on since the days of ancient rome, out, rome, enjoying a day out, watching some gladiators hack bits out of each other. how long do have celebrity do we have pro celebrity lion fighting ? currently, you can fighting? currently, you can watch where people get watch shows where people get married without ever meeting the person first and they end up crying. called married at crying. that's called married at first sight. there's one where celebs sas celebs get put through sas training. one called training. there's one called naked , which would be naked and afraid, which would be a title for married at a better title for married at first some of us don't first sight. some of us don't want to that kind of want to see that kind of suffering and if don't want suffering and if you don't want to suffering , scared of the to see suffering, scared of the dark might be a good idea. you can't anything. no can't see anything. there's no light . light. so what do you think? do you agree or disagree ? we gb views agree or disagree? we gb views gbviews@gbnews.uk. i'll get to your emails after the break. so reacting to my big opinion tonight , the brilliant set of tonight, the brilliant set of punst tonight, the brilliant set of pundits we have gb news senior political commentator and fleet street legend nigel nelson,

journalist and broadcaster linda dudley, an old radio legend, neil fox join me. so let's neil, first of all, let's start with you. what do you reckon to this? have you been tempted for the reality would you like be reality tv? would you like to be tortured? no, want to be tortured? no, i don't want to be tortured? no, i don't want to be tortured. i've tortured? no, i don't want to be tortured . i've been i've been tortured. i've been i've been otteiet— tortured. i've been i've been otteiet mom— ”cc i've been i've been offered many appearances on all tinte— offered many appearances on all tihte ot— offered many appearances on all tihte ot ott— offered many appearances on all tihte ot ott ,— offered many appearances on all kinds of odd , crazy, stupid kinds of odd, crazy, stupid eoweh — kinds of odd, crazy, stupid shows. and— kinds of odd, crazy, stupid shows. ' kinds of odd, crazy, stupid- shows. and normally my wife's a great ready reckoner for this because she just goes , are you because she just goes, are you serious? this is ridiculous. and most— serious? this is ridiculous. and most ot— serious? this is ridiculous. and most ot them— serious? this is ridiculous. and most of them are. _ , this is ridiculous. and most of them are. and this i whot— most of them are. and this i mean, what is— most of them are. and this i mean, what is very sad about thie— mean, what is very sad about this-io— mean, what is very sad about thie-ie wett— mean, what is very sad about this-is, well ,_ mean, what is very sad about this is, well, channel 4 this one is, well, channel 4 hote— this one is, well, channel 4 hote thie— this one is, well, channel 4 have this habit— this one is, well, channel 4 have this habit of wrapping up ptootommee— have this habit of wrapping up programmes that are just really just programmes that are just really hot pure— programmes that are just really just pure entertainment that might— just pure entertainment that might he— just pure entertainment that might be weird— just pure entertainment that might be weird or dangerous or might— might be weird or dangerous or hooohtw oi— might be weird or dangerous or naughty or provocative. and they try omi— naughty or provocative. and they try omt sav— naughty or provocative. and they try omt eow ite— naughty or provocative. and they try and say it's some kind of educational— try and say it's some kind of educational experience for us. t hey— educational experience for us. they tit— educational experience for us. they hit this— educational experience for us. they did this with— educational experience for us. they did this with naked- they did this with naked attraction where they basically they did this with naked attra

a room for however many days. but there are you've but there are people you've either— but there are people you've either-were,- but there are people you've either-were,.you. but there are people you've either were, you said either they were, as you said eotiiei— either they were, as you said eotiiei ,— either they were, as you said eotiiei , two— either they were, as you said earlier , two -ago,. either they were, as you said earlier , two ago, they earlier, two decades ago, they were or we've never heard were famous or we've never heard of were famous or we've never heard ot-so— were famous or we've never heard ot-so whot-e— were famous or we've never heard ot-so whot-e sot— were famous or we've never heard of-so what's sad is- were famous or we've never heard of so what's sad is how of them. so what's sad is how teeheiote— of them. so what's sad is how desperate people _ of them. so what's sad is how desperate people are to be on teiiw. — desperate people are to be on teiiw. -it— desperate people are to be on telly. -it really- desperate people are to be on telly. -it really to - desperate people are to be on telly. -it really to be. telly. isn't it really to be on any of show? would you any kind of show? why would you sign either because sign up for this? either because you're make for you're trying to make a name for yourself trying to yourself or you're trying to re—establish yourself. i think what's sad about gaza what's really sad about the gaza thing, man we do know thing, there's a man we do know we've him slightly unravel we've seen him slightly unravel in front for years in the in front of us for years in the papers , as wish in the papers, as i wish someone in the world of football who earn astronomical vast sums of money would just give him some money. obviously, he's hasn't got cash, tighte— obviously, he's hasn't got cash, eighth-why— obviously, he's hasn't got cash, eighth-why he-e- obviously, he's hasn't got cash, right? why he's doing right? that's why he's doing a poem— program like this and just take him— program like this and just take him owow— program like this and just take him owow .— program like this and just take him away . att— program like this and just take him away . all his mates give him him away. all his mates give him cosh-to— him away. all his mates give him some cash -to help- him away. all his mates give him some cash to help sort him some cash and to help sort him out heeooee— some cash and to help sort him out because-needs- some cash and to help sort him out because needs help, out because he needs some help, toeeh-t—ihot-e- doesn't he, really? that's what he—thimt- doesn't he, really? that's what he—thiht eowi he needs a mate. i think gary timetei— he needs a mate. i think gary lineker-actually- he needs a mate. i think gary lineker actually gave lineker did actually. he gave him—o- lineker did actually. he gave him—a numberi lineker did actually. he gave. him—a number of him some money, a number of heohie— him some money, a number of heohie-eome— him some money, a number of heohie-eome omi- him some money, a number of people come and helped him people have come and helped him out.— people have come and helped him out. hot— people have come and helped him out. hot he— people have come and helped him out. hot he is— people have come and helped him out. hot he is o— people have come and helped him out. but he is a troubled individual— out. but he is a troubled individual ._ out. but he is a troubled individual. has out. but he is a troubled individual ..has a individual. he has been for a tomo— individual. he has been for a homo time.— individual. he has been for a long time. and— individual. he has been for a long time. and should should the htogtomme— long time. and should should the programme makers— long time. and should should the programme makers put allow programme makers put him allow him:— programme makers put him allow him—it- programme makers put him allow him—it ieoiiwl him, even allow him on it really .—tmow- him, even allow him on it really .—thow it- . because you go, i know it ptohohiw— . because you go, i know it ptohohtw-oieot- . because you go, i know it probably-great but probably makes great telly, but -to— probably makes great telly, but -to-thiht- probably makes great telly, but. no. -do-think-that no. what do you think about that ? makers ? do the tv programme makers have more responsibility? of

course they should have more responsibility. iread course they should have more responsibility. i read a quote hom— responsibility. i read a quote tom the— responsibility. i read a quote from the head— responsibility. i read a quote from the head of— c cat i read a quote from the head of events, tom bea,— from the head of events, tom tech-thie— from the head of events, tom beck, this particular beck, about this particular htootomme— beck, about this particular programme-and- beck, about this particular programme "it; programme. and you're right, neil, couched terms of neil, it was couched in terms of being of pseudo being a sort of pseudo experimental stroke education programme in fact, i mean paul gascoigne has really serious, wide ranging mental health issues.i wide ranging mental health issues. i mean, saying that you've got a therapist along to advise you is a bit like doing a marathon and giving them a first aid tin instead of a defibrillator. it's a ridiculous idea , but it's not really the idea, but it's not really the actual detail that's so concerning here. it's the overarching premise of why we want to watch something so deeply unpleasant . ant and you deeply unpleasant. ant and you hit upon it in your intro, which i thought was brilliant . you i thought was brilliant. you know, these are acts. they're not— know, these are acts. they're not toot— know, these are acts. they're not just like acts that are forbidden by the geneva convention, actually deprive summer of light is in the geneva convention. it's called an enhanced interrogation technique . but why we would want to watch people doing that is completely beyond me. yeah, nigel, do you

think— beyond me. yeah, nigel, do you thiht thot-e— beyond me. yeah, nigel, do you think that's where— beyond me. yeah, nigel, do you think that's where the - think that's where the responsibility lies? c at: ash; responsibility lies? it's us. we ootooiiw— responsibility lies? it's us. we ootooiiw oo— responsibility lies? it's us. we actually, as a people , not actually, as a people, not individually. people sat around on the sofa like watching shows where are put under where people are put under pressure. there's just something about that people about this story that people care too much about to see care too much about gaza to see him be punished. that feels like that's cruel. but in general, that's cruel. but we in general, millions of people watch these tv people suffer. tv shows where people suffer. yeah i that there's yeah and i think that there's teem— yeah and i think that there's heehlieoiiw— yeah and i think that there's beenlreally sort— yeah and i think that there's beenlreally sort of- “43?" and i think that there's been really sort of depressing been a really sort of depressing eoitwoi— been a really sort of depressing cultural change— been a really sort of depressing cultural change in— been a really sort of depressing cultural change in this country. if cultural change in this country. it too— cultural change in this country. if you remember,— cultural change in this country. if you remember, sort of go back 30 if you remember, sort of go back so weom— if you remember, sort of go back so weote omi— if you remember, sort of go back 30 years and clive— if you remember, sort of go back 30 years and clive james and chih— 30 years and clive james and chris tarrant_ 30 years and clive james and chris tarrant were _ 30 years and clive james and chris tarrant were on tv taking the .— chris tarrant were on tv taking the p out— chris tarrant were on tv taking the p out ot— chris tarrant were on tv taking the p out of the— chris tarrant were on tv taking the p out of the japanese trial by the p out of the japanese trial to otteoi— the p out of the japanese trial by ordeal show— the p out of the japanese trial by ordeal show in— the p out of the japanese trial by ordeal show in europe's. and thot— by ordeal show in europe's. and thot hot— by ordeal show in europe's. and thot hot heohie— by ordeal show in europe's. and that had people sort of tied to the wheeie— that had people sort of tied to the wheels of— that had people sort of tied to the wheels of paddle steamers omit— the wheels of paddle steamers ohtii thew— the wheels of paddle steamers until they could— the wheels of paddle steamers until they could stand no more or covered im— until they could stand no more or covered in worms. but in fact i or covered in worms. but in fact i wo— or covered in worms. but in fact i oetooiiw— or covered in worms. but in fact i was actually watching a bit at ot— i was actually watching a bit at ot the— i was actually watching a bit at some of the reruns of it this ottemooh. — some of the reruns of it this afternoon. if— some of the reruns of it this afternoon. if you— some of the reruns of it this afternoon. if you look at that, ite— afternoon. if you look at that, its mitt— afternoon. if you look at that, it's mild compared to what the eohteetohte— it's mild compared to what the contestants on— it's mild compared to what the contestants on i'm— it's mild compared to what the contestants on i'm a celebrity hote— contestants on i'm a celebrity hote to— contestants on i'm a celebrity hote to 90— contestants on i'm a celebrity have to go through. so on the hosie— have to go through. so on the hosts ot— have to go through. so on the basis of that,— have to go through. so on the basis of that, we— have to go through. so on the basis of that, we have a sort of eitootioh— basis of that, we have a sort of situation where— basis of that, we have a sort of situation where we— basis of that, we have a sort of situation where we seem to have tome— situation where we seem to have gone hoot— situation where we seem to have

gone hoot im— situation where we seem to have gone back in time— situation where we seem to have gone back in time and you've got it oheoiotew— gone back in time and you've got it absolutely right,— gone back in time and you've got it absolutely right, steve. there— it absolutely right, steve. there we— it absolutely right, steve. there we suddenly the it absolutely right, steve.- there we suddenly-the roman there we suddenly want the roman arena—mean, what- arena back again. i mean, what hoe— arena back again. i mean, what hoe-to— arena back again. i mean, what hoe-to oe— arena back again. i mean, what hoe-to ite- arena back again. i mean, what has to us, it's really has happened to us, it's really ompteoeomt— unpleasant, isn't. and one of the— unpleasant, isn't. and one of the that the things i think that sometimes executives sometimes tv executives underestimate is the value of really fantastic, well—made drama to they see the evidence of their own viewing figures when they get them. but the truth of the matter is it requires imagination to commission and it requires commission them and it requires money to produce them. and that's why we're not getting the television. i think we deserve is because we're doing everything shoestring. and everything on a shoestring. and i one thing you do have everything on a shoestring. andj i-one thing you do have to i think one thing you do have to ott—wheh— i think one thing you do have to add _when having. add as well that when having hotiho— add as well that when having howimo teem— add as well that when having having been around these of having been around these kind of showe— having been around these kind of shows hetoie— having been around these kind of shows before where they are cast tite— shows before where they are cast iite thew— shows before where they are cast iite thew oe— shows before where they are cast iite thew o— shows before where they are cast like they are a drama, right? so heohie— like they are a drama, right? so heopte witt— like they are a drama, right? so heopte witi he— like they are a drama, right? so people will be sitting and going,— people will be sitting and going, otow— people will be sitting and going, okay, we want let's find someone -very de - going, okay, we want let's find someone very de camp. someone who's very de camp. iet-e— someone who's very de camp. iet-e-eomeome— someone who's very de camp. let's someone who's very let's find someone who's very homophohie— let's find someone who's very homophobic, let's— let's find someone who's very homophobic, let's find someone who-e— homophobic, let's find someone who-e toeeh-t— homophobic, let's find someone who's doesn't like— homophobic, let's find someone who's doesn't like this , someone who's doesn't like this, someone who-e— who's doesn't like this, someone who-e eteme— who's doesn't like this, someone who's extreme left— who's doesn't like this, someone who's extreme left and someone who-e— who's extreme left and someone who-e eteme— who's extreme left and someone who's extreme right. let's try oht— who's extreme right. let's try oht-tw— who's extreme right. let's try oht-tw oht— who's extreme right. let's try and try and create a and let's try and create a eitootioh— and let's try and create a situation where- and let's try and create a situation where people might ethiote— situation where people might explode because it makes good teth— explode because it makes good teiiw. too— explode because it makes good telly. you know,— explode because it makes good telly. you know, big brother was the thet— telly. you know, big brother was the first dodi. _ telly. you know, big brother was the first dodi. the— telly. you know, big brother was the first dodi. the first series thet—

the first dodi. the first series toot-tie— the first dodi. the first series was just we watched people was just dull. we watched people in was just dull. we watched people ih-oht— was just dull. we watched people ih-oht it— was just dull. we watched people ih-oht it wo— was just dull. we watched people in-and it was quite- in a house and it was quite ehteitoihiho— in a house and it was quite entertaining and in a house and it was quite- entertainingiand-course entertaining. and then of course you woitet— entertaining. and then of course you wottet-otow— entertaining. and then of course you worked-okay .- entertaining. and then of course you worked okay . now have we you worked out okay. now have we got—reorie- you worked out okay. now have we got—heohie hot| got some? now, once people hadi seen these programmes, you know whot— seen these programmes, you know whot, oe— seen these programmes, you know whot, oe o— seen these programmes, you know whot, oe o homet— seen these programmes, you know what, as a punter you're meant tol— what, as a punter you're meant tol, r— what, as a punter you're meant tol, it-woht— what, as a punter you're meant to., if-wantlget- what, as a punter you're meant to , if want get more to do, if you want to get more oiitime— to do, if you want to get more oiitime eo— to do, if you want to get more airtime so people— to do, if you want to get more airtime so people start doing things— airtime so people start doing things thot— airtime so people start doing things that they— airtime so people start doing things that they wouldn't really do things that they wouldn't really to become— things that they wouldn't really do because they— things that they wouldn't really do because they want to be on teiiw. — do because they want to be on teiiw. coh— do because they want to be on teitw. cm i— do because they want to be on telly. can i just— do because they want to be on telly. can i just say- do because they want to be on telly. can i just say i- do because they want to be on telly. ci?" a: telly. can i just say i used to work programme called work on a programme called tonight with trevor mcdonald, i think tonight think it's called tonight now itv used to itv programme. and we used to wrap around, get the story together, elements together, get the elements together, get the elements together and used to call it together and we used to call it fork contributors and an expert witness , a bit like the film witness, a bit like the film really, but you had to have these four contributors and they all had to several boxes . all had to tick several boxes. this is a news programme. yeah, that's the that's really that's the that's what's really worrying. because that worrying. yeah because that motes— worrying. yeah because that makes sense-a- worrying. yeah because that- makes sense-a-programme makes sense for a news programme to oehiete— makes sense for a news programme to oehiete-oooi— makes sense for a news programme to oehiete-oooi ot— makes sense for a news programme to achieve goal of having to achieve the goal of having the— to achieve the goal of having the information— to achieve the goal of having the information ,_ to achieve the goal of having the information , balance, the information, the balance, all the information, the balance, oii-whot— the information, the balance, all-what we're- all of that, what we're oehietimo— all of that, what we're achieving getting people achieving with getting people to tight— achieving with getting people to tight io— achieving with getting people to tight to the— achieving with getting people to fight is the most— achieving with getting people to fight is the most basic instinct of fight is the most basic instinct ot homohitw— fight is the most basic instinct of humanity, isn't— fight is the most basic instinct of humanity, isn't it? let's see heohie— of humanity, isn't it? let's see heopte toti— of humanity, isn't it? let's see people fall out. _ of humanity, isn't it? let's see people fall out. and now it tome— people fall out. and now it tome-thew— people fall out. and now it turns they actually come to turns out they actually come to hiowe. —ot- turns out they actually come to blows. _at twitter. turns out they actually come to blows. _at twitter .i blows. yeah, look at twitter. someone, like paul someone, someone like paul gascoigne , and into a situation

gascoigne, and into a situation like that. i mean, we've all lived with the problems he's had for 20 years and you don't have to be a psychologist to know you shouldn't shove him into a show like this because there's bound to be trouble. yeah, yeah. to be trouble. yeah, yeah, yeah. so, mean , will it ever change? so, i mean, will it ever change? heeooee— so, i mean, will it ever change? because as much— so, i mean, will it ever change? because as much sitting because as much as we're sitting here—hiotoeeml here blaming the tv producers omi— here blaming the tv producers met the— here blaming the tv producers and the production companies, wehe-wotehiho- and the production companies, we're-watching it.- and the production companies, we're watching it. it's we're the ones watching it. it's tite— we're the ones watching it. it's iite heohie— we're the ones watching it. it's iite heopte sav— we're the ones watching it. it's like people say of— we're the ones watching it. it's like people say of the newspapers,- like people say of the newspapers, think newspapers, oh, i think it's temihie— newspapers, oh, i think it's terrible .they - newspapers, oh, i think it's. terrible .they - news terrible that they report news tite— terrible that they report news iite thie. — terrible that they report news like this. but— terrible that they report news like this. but then we all buy the— like this. but then we all buy the ome— like this. but then we all buy the ones that— like this. but then we all buy the ones that-the- like this. but then we all buy the ones that the salacious like this. but then we all buy the oies that the salacious like this. but then we all buy the oies thaknow, the salacious like this. but then we all buy the oies thaknow, the neverous from i don't know, i've never wotehet— from i don't know, i've never wotehet o— from i don't know, i've never watched a single— from i don't know, i've never watched a single episode love watched a single episode of love ieioht. — watched a single episode of love island. _watched- island. i've never watched a single big brother single episode of big brother and watched single and i've never watched a single episode of the jungle one. i just like it. i really just don't like it. i really don't like. i have watched all of them at times because my kids particularly love love island and does. and look, and my daughter does. and look, iused and my daughter does. and look, i used to think,— and my daughter does. and look, i used to think, gosh,— a�*t: 33 : and look, i used to think, gosh, where's thie— i used to think, gosh, where's the going— i used to think, gosh, where's the going to— i used to think, gosh, where's this going to end— i used to think, gosh, where's this going to end up? it'll end up with— this going to end up? it'll end up with someone— this going to end up? it'll end up with someone dying . so in up with someone dying. so in toot,— up with someone dying. so in ma, wete— up with someone dying. so in fact, we've had— up with someone dying. so in fact, we've had people dying. how— fact, we've had people dying. how omi— fact, we've had people dying. now and still— fact, we've had people dying. now and still they going . now and still they keep going. so now and still they keep going. so i— now and still they keep going. so i tom-t— now and still they keep going. so i don't know— now and still they keep going. so i don't know what will stop them — so i don't know what will stop them -i— so i don't know what will stop them-i suppose- so i don't know what will stop them i suppose you can't them really. i suppose you can't thet— them really. i suppose you can't root hiome— them really. i suppose you can't root hiome the— them really. i suppose you can't just blame the programme makers. toot— just blame the programme makers. iootleoeietw— just blame the programme makers. tootleoeietw .— just blame the programme makers. looklsociety . look— just blame the programme makers. look society . look what? look look at society. look what? look at look at society. look what? look ot—the- look at society. look what? look ot—the wow- at politics. look at the way

people— at politics. look at the way heopte tott— at politics. look at the way people talk about each other in hoiitiee. — people talk about each other in hoiitiee. .toot— people talk about each other in politics. -look how- people talk about each other in politics. look how we talk, politics. now look how we talk, how—ohoot- politics. now look how we talk,. how—about-other how people talk about each other on eoeioi— how people talk about each other on social media,— how people talk about each other on social media, in— how people talk about each other on social media, in press. i on social media, in the press. i meom-eotw— on social media, in the press. i mean,-sadly sunk- on social media, in the press. i mean, sadly sunk lower and mean, we've sadly sunk lower and tower— mean, we've sadly sunk lower and tower omi— mean, we've sadly sunk lower and tower oht i— mean, we've sadly sunk lower and lower and i suppose— mean, we've sadly sunk lower and lower and i suppose programme tme— lower and i suppose programme tme to— lower and i suppose programme tme to o— lower and i suppose programme makers to a certain extent are etiohtw— makers to a certain extent are slightly reflecting is slightly reflecting what is going— slightly reflecting what is going oh— slightly reflecting what is going on im— slightly reflecting what is going on in society. got going on in society. you've got to—thihoe- going on in society. you've got to_things really. going on in society. you've gotj to _things really to to watch these things really to be to watch these things really to he—them.- to watch these things really to he—themli- to watch these things really to. be_them..| think be appalled by them. so i think it's be appalled by them. so i think it-e-oetooiiw- be appalled by them. so i think it's actually watching it's worth you actually watching them. — it's worth you actually watching them. at— it's worth you actually watching them. at ome— it's worth you actually watching them. at some point you might get hootet. — them. at some point you might get hooked. that's what get hooked. linda that's what thot-e— get hooked. linda that's what thot-e whot— get hooked. linda that's what that's what you're scared about. too-re— that's what you're scared about. toohe going— that's what you're scared about. you're going hooked you're going to get hooked on tote—ohootl love island. we'll talk about it. — love island. we'll talk about it. -ome— love island. we'll talk about it. _same thing- love island. we'll talk about it. _same thing as. love island. we'll talk about- it. _same thing as when it. it's the same thing as when someone tastes someone has food that tastes horrible and they say, try this. it's watch this it's horrible. watch this tv show.— it's horrible. watch this tv ehow.—howe| show. it will waste hours of wow— show. it will waste hours of your-watching. - show. it will waste hours of. your-watching. .seen your life watching. i've seen the— your life watching. i've seen the obviously. seen the promos, obviously. i've seen the promos, obviously. i've seen the and i just think, the promos and i just think, oh my do to watch my god, do i want to watch someone eating kangaroo's or someone eating a kangaroo's or whatever it is they have to read? do. i want hancock. that read? i do. i want hancock. that oetooiiw— read? i do. i want hancock. that was actually-good.- 3“ air i want hancock. that was actually good. yeah. was actually quite good. yeah. if was actually quite good. yeah. it you— was actually quite good. yeah. it you put— was actually quite good. yeah. it you out o— was actually quite good. yeah. if you put a load— was actually quite good. yeah. if you put a load of politicians in if you put a load of politicians hwo—e- if you put a load of politicians i—e ooitel in the jungle, that was quite tummy.— in the jungle, that was quite tom-o- in the jungle, that was quite funny.-a whole. in the jungle, that was quite funny.-a whole of funny. yeah, but a whole load of them —rwt- funny. yeah, but a whole load of them —rwt theml funny. yeah, but a whole load of them _put them ini them, or of course put them in the—with- them, or of course put them in the—with the - them, or of course put them ml the _with the lions. the amphitheatre with the lions. i the amphitheatre with the lions. i-iot— the amphitheatre with the lions. i-iot ot— the amphitheatre with the lions. i-lot of.might. - the amphitheatre with the lions. i-lot of.might. thel i think a lot of us might. the danger— i think a lot of us might. the danger te— i think a lot of us might. the danger is that— i think a lot of us might. the danger is that you've got reality television moving that way and politics moving that way. and sooner or later it'll be like a venn diagram. there'll

be like a venn diagram. there'll be something, you be like a venn diagram. there'll be something , you know, where he be something, you know, where he has hancock i'm a has matt hancock and i'm a celebrity we it. oh, that's celebrity we had it. oh, that's right. happened. i right. it happened. sorry, i forgot that. your thoughts. tteieome— forgot that. your thoughts. weieome om— forgot that. your thoughts. welcome on this- forgot that. your thoughts. welcome on this as- g your thoughts. welcome on this as well. and eomiho— welcome on this as well. and coming-big- welcome on this as well. and coming-big story.- welcome on this as well. and coming big story. the coming up, the big story. the iohow— coming up, the big story. the labour—vowed- labour party have vowed to continue— continue their controversial ottoet— continue their controversial ottoet ote— continue their controversial attack ads, l step - continue their controversial attack ads, step far for attack ads, a step too far for teoitimote— attack ads, a step too far for legitimate political strategy. rte-ii— legitimate political strategy. we-ii eee— legitimate political strategy. we-ii vou— legitimate political strategy. we'll see you .—

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i about this. good evening, peter. i meom— about this. good evening, peter. i mean, are these— about this. good evening, peter. i mean, are these adverts beyond the hote— i mean, are these adverts beyond the hotelie— i mean, are these adverts beyond the pale-is this— i mean, are these adverts beyond the pale-is this a— i mean, are these adverts beyond the pale is this a legitimate the pale or is this a legitimate eomhoioh— the pale or is this a legitimate campaign--_ the pale or is this a legitimate eomhoioh-. - the pale or is this a legitimate eomhoioh-. i- the pale or is this a legitimate campaign-. i think. the pale or is this a legitimatej campaign-. i think it campaign strategy. i think it was an unwise move. the tories are no strangers to personal attacks. and you'll all remember tony blair and demonised from 97. but to me this was a bridge too far because it was first of all, it's way too personal . and all, it's way too personal. and secondly, it was essentially wrong as well, secondly, it was essentially wrong as well , because while wrong as well, because while there is absolutely legitimate criticism to be made of the government for their handling of the justice system and funding cuts and the stats covered a ten year period and rishi sunak been prime minister for a fraction of that. prime minister for a fraction of that . but i prime minister for a fraction of that. but i suppose this comes hot on the tails of boris johnson accusing keir starmer of not investigating jemmy savile also. so not investigating jemmy savile also . so people at the time from also. so people at the time from tooth— also. so people at the time from hoth hortiee— so people at the time from both parties distanced themselves- both parties distanced themselves from that comment, eowiho— themselves from that comment, eowiho-hoeet— themselves from that comment, saying based truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it] based truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems based truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems t0)ased truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems to bead truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems to be a truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems to be a sticky ith, but it seems to be a sticky eeeeo— but it seems to be a sticky meeeooe-ie- but it seems to be a stickyi message-is-what but it seems to be a sticky- message-is-what the message. erg is that what the iohow— message. erg is that what the iohow rottw— message. erg is that what the labour party going for? labour party is going for? i toh-t— labour party is going for? i toh-t thirt— labour party is going for? i don't think it's— labour party is going for? i don't think it's going- labour party is going for? i don't think it's going for that . and the boris johnson reference to keir starmer when he ran the cps and jemmy savile was a pretty disgusting one and

it sank like a lead balloon. thankfully i don't think this is quite in the same territory, but it's still pretty unpleasant and it's still pretty unpleasant and it was interesting that lucy powell respect a lot as a powell, who i respect a lot as a very effective decent very effective and decent shadow cabinet minister, was clearly a little bit uncomfortable with it and very caveated in her remarks about it . as i say, there is a about it. as i say, there is a legitimate critique of, i think looks at the ministry of justice funding being cut by 25% over nine years. but this is not the way to land that critique is part of the problem . i mean, as part of the problem. i mean, as though mudslinging_ part of the problem. i mean, as though mudslinging has- i mean, as though mudslinging has always teem— though mudslinging has always been involved— though mudslinging has always been involved in— though mudslinging has always been involved in politics. but the toot— been involved in politics. but the fact that— been involved in politics. but the fact that it— been involved in politics. but the fact that it is— been involved in politics. but the fact that it is so personal , thot— the fact that it is so personal , thot eeeme— the fact that it is so personal , that seems to— the fact that it is so personal , that seems to be the difference _ , that seems to be the difference here. yeah i mean, i think— difference here. yeah i mean, i thiht ite— difference here. yeah i mean, i thiht it-e ome— difference here. yeah i mean, i think it's one of— difference here. yeah i mean, i think it's one of these unwritten _ think it's one of these unwritten codes we have in hritoih— unwritten codes we have in hritoih o— unwritten codes we have in britain a bit— unwritten codes we have in britain a bit like a bit like the— britain a bit like a bit like the constitution. ”rziszr the constitution. so you refer to boris johnson claim that to a boris johnson claim that was extremely unpleasant. the tories had the demonised poster about tony blair in 97, contrasting him with that that bambi image and jeremy corbyn, who by all accounts was not very effective at all, but was

repeatedly referred to as a man who hates britain, which don't who hates britain, which i don't think either, is just think was true either, is just his definition of patriotism was different many different to that of many others. so i think the personal stuff just the public off. stuff just turns the public off. and is another example of and this is another example of that. yeah that's one of the interesting points. i was heanng interesting points. i was hearing earlier hearing someone discuss earlier thot—hoettire- hearing someone discuss earlier that backfire because that this might backfire because it might— that this might backfire because it might mote— that this might backfire because it might make people actually hote— it might make people actually hove—item- it might make people actuallyi have—rishi sunak have sympathy for rishi sunak heeooee— have sympathy for rishi sunak heeooee he-e— have sympathy for rishi sunak because he's so— have sympathy for rishi sunak because he's so named in these oompoigme— because he's so named in these eomgoigme. iheee— because he's so named in these campaigns. these aren't just because he's so named in these campai statementsaren't just because he's so named in these campaistatements aboutjust because he's so named in these campaistatements about the simply statements about the conservatives _ simply statements about the conservatives the statements ohoot— conservatives the statements ohoot itiehi. — conservatives the statements about rishi. �*fthzge shirt; about rishi. well, yeah, there used to be a law that you couldn't other politicians couldn't use other politicians images and signatures and so on. in ads, and i believe that was been dropped in the last 20 years. so you do see a lot more of this type of thing. and david cameron as leader of the opposition, a series of opposition, had a series of mocked gordon brown opposition, had a series of mocked a gordon brown opposition, had a series of mocked a bit gordon brown opposition, had a series of mocked a bit daft, gordon brown opposition, had a series of mocked a bit daft, which don brown opposition, had a series of mocked a bit daft, which was brown looking a bit daft, which was unfair. but but goes unfair. but but this goes further because it's further than that because it's obviously linked to child sex crime which are very crime offences, which are very serious, but the perhaps of serious, but the risk perhaps of sounding a little bit boring, i actually think having been a candidate and knocked on thousands doors, people , thousands of doors, the people, the reasons why people vote are

very traditional waiting times , very traditional waiting times, classroom sizes , crime and yes, classroom sizes, crime and yes, we're all aware of austerity and austerity has been a disaster for this country delivered by the tories. but but the posters we've seen in the last couple of days are not the way to land that point , but that is what that point, but that is what they're it? they're trying to do, isn't it? trying to become the this we may wett— trying to become the this we may weii-ioet— trying to become the this we may well-lost-well- trying to become the this we may well-lost-well we'll. well have lost him. well we'll cut well have lost him. well we'll out to— well have lost him. well we'll out to-to— well have lost him. well we'll out to-to mt— well have lost him. well we'll cut to to my pundits on this cut to the to my pundits on this topic. — cut to the to my pundits on this topic. so— cut to the to my pundits on this topic. so it— cut to the to my pundits on this topic. so if you've— cut to the to my pundits on this topic. so if you've seen any of theee— topic. so if you've seen any of these pictures— topic. so if you've seen any of these pictures that have been tweeteh— these pictures that have been tweetet, it— these pictures that have been tweeted, it is— these pictures that have been tweeted, it is some people eowihg— tweeted, it is some people eowihg thot— tweeted, it is some people eowihg thot it— tweeted, it is some people saying that it could be causing , if saying that it could be causing , it omwthimg— saying that it could be causing , if anything, more sympathy for ohwthihg— , if anything, more sympathy for ohwthimg tor— , if anything, more sympathy for anything for the— , if anything, more sympathy for anything for the for the labour party— anything for the for the labour tortw to— anything for the for the labour itortw to get— anything for the for the labour party to get sympathy for rishi emot— party to get sympathy for rishi sohot might— party to get sympathy for rishi sohot might go— party to get sympathy for rishi sunak might go the wrong way. party to get sympathy for rishi sunak might go the wrong way . so sunak might go the wrong way. so for sunak might go the wrong way. so tor moe— sunak might go the wrong way. so tor more-thie— sunak might go the wrong way. so for more-this, let's— sunak might go the wrong way. so for more this, let's go to for more on this, let's go to the— for more on this, let's go to the remote.— for more on this, let's go to the pundits. start with neil. tthot-e— the pundits. start with neil. tthot-e wow— the pundits. start with neil. what's your thoughts on this? tthot-e— what's your thoughts on this? tthot-e wow— what's your thoughts on this? what's your your— what's your thoughts on this? what's your your emotional reeomeeg to— what's your your emotional response to seeing it? well my emotiohoi— response to seeing it? well my emotional response is weirdly , emotional response is weirdly, thie— emotional response is weirdly, this connects— emotional response is weirdly, this connects to— emotional response is weirdly, this connects to the conversation we were having ohoot— conversation we were having ohoot reoiitw— conversation we were having about reality tv— conversation we were having about reality tv and how everything— about reality tv and how everything ie— about reality tv and how everything is becoming this sort of everything is becoming this sort ot—to— everything is becoming this sort ot—to o— everything is becoming this sort of_to a certain- of blurred mess to a certain extent,— of blurred mess to a certain extent, messaging that human extent, the messaging that human heihge— extent, the messaging that human heihgelthie— extent, the messaging that human beings .this country— extent, the messaging that human beings this country are using

beings in this country are using at beings in this country are using ot the— beings in this country are using at the moment— beings in this country are using at the moment is— beings in this country are using at the moment is getting quite ohhieoeoht— at the moment is getting quite omhieoeoht. — at the moment is getting quite unpleasant . and— at the moment is getting quite unpleasant . 'r: �*" unpleasant. and i think if i think what labour have done here is look at how people talk, talk about other on social about each other on social media, instagram media, on twitter, on instagram or of different or any of these different platforms , and it's often not platforms, and it's often not pleasant. it's all about a one headune pleasant. it's all about a one headline or a one word or a one phrase, and to a certain extent that the sort of messaging that feels the sort of messaging . probably thinking, that feels the sort of messaging . this)robably thinking, that feels the sort of messaging . this)ro how7 thinking, that feels the sort of messaging . this)ro how7 thiniof g, well, this is how a lot of younger people, maybe they younger people, maybe how they read information, how how read information, how they how they actually take their information now in small bite sized chunks . and it can be sized chunks. and it can be unpleasant and actually , if it's unpleasant and actually, if it's not even true, it doesn't matter . it out there. . let's put it out there. i don't think actually, as your guest said, i think they've got this because if it this one wrong, because if it gets personal, i think it gets too personal, i think it actually turns people off. and i think irritated by think they just get irritated by it . it irritates me. clever it. it irritates me. clever campaign is are good point out problems. that's good. that's politics. but when gets to politics. but when it gets to this level you kind of wonder at what has politics sunk what level has politics sunk too? sadly it seems to me almost too? sadly it seems to me almost to reality tv level and that's not what i would like to see it.

yeah, i mean, i'll take your point,— yeah, i mean, i'll take your point, neit— yeah, i mean, i'll take your point, neil, but— yeah, i mean, i'll take your point, neil, but also linda, tit—oh- point, neil, but also linda,| i-ii—om-ohe i'll bring you in on this one more— i'll bring you in on this one more eowihg— i'll bring you in on this one that's saying almost as if the reason we shouldn't we shouldn't like reason we shouldn't we shouldn't iiteli— reason we shouldn't we shouldn't iiteli meom— reason we shouldn't we shouldn't like-i mean, it's— reason we shouldn't we shouldn't like-i mean, it's not- reason we shouldn't we shouldn't like i mean, it's not gone like it. i mean, it's not gone wett— like it. i mean, it's not gone wen, hoe— like it. i mean, it's not gone wen, hoe ite— like it. i mean, it's not gone well, has it? this— like it. i mean, it's not gone well, has it? this doesn't seem to—ot— well, has it? this doesn't seem to—ot oh- well, has it? this doesn't seem to_of on either- well, has it? this doesn't seemi to_of on either side to be approved of on either side of to be approved of on either side ot the— to be approved of on either side of the political— to be approved of on either side of the political spectrum . so of the political spectrum. so thie— of the political spectrum. so thie ie— of the political spectrum. so thie ie hot— of the political spectrum. so this is not just— of the political spectrum. so this is not just about politics heotihg— this is not just about politics heotihg to— this is not just about politics heading to lowest heading to the lowest common tehomihotor. — heading to the lowest common denominator. reality denominator. and like reality tv, denominator. and like reality “fr-lap— denominator. and like reality tvt.lap-up-- denominator. and like reality itlioh-oh. ho- denominator. and like reality tv, lap up. no one seems tv, we lap this up. no one seems to he— tv, we lap this up. no one seems to he topping— tv, we lap this up. no one seems to he tohhihg thie— tv, we lap this up. no one seems to be lapping this up. \:::r to be lapping this up. no, i tom-t— to be lapping this up. no, i toh-t thirt— to be lapping this up. no, i don't think anyone has. and i think if anyone was going do think if anyone was going to do some calculation on some kind of risk calculation on this, have realised this, they should have realised the possibility that this the strong possibility that this approach would backfire. i think there's phrase , isn't there's a latin phrase, isn't there, which means there, ad hominem, which means that down the man and that you take down the man and not policy, it's really, not the policy, and it's really, really . it's the politics of really bad. it's the politics of the gutter . there's no point in the gutter. there's no point in taking down sunak anyway taking down rishi sunak anyway because wasn't involved in in because he wasn't involved in in any kind of stuff about child sex offenders , because he wasn't sex offenders, because he wasn't in a position to be in the time penod in a position to be in the time period concerned. he wasn't, in fact even an mp for five of those years. and yet weirdly , it those years. and yet weirdly, it was keir starmer who was actually on the sentencing

council during the period in question. and then on top of all of that, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, appears not to have even known that this was about to happen . that this was about to happen. thatis that this was about to happen. that is the woman who's in charge of the shadow crime policy, and she didn't know what was going on. so i don't know what's happening here, but i think the overarching my overarching view is that it's chaotic and deeply unpleasant for the general public , i.e. the for the general public, i.e. the voter. yeah. nigel, do you think thie— voter. yeah. nigel, do you think thie ie— voter. yeah. nigel, do you think thie ie goihg— voter. yeah. nigel, do you think thie ie going to— voter. yeah. nigel, do you think this is going to have— yeah. nigel, do you think this is going to have to end? witt— this is going to have to end? ttiii thew— this is going to have to end? will they have— this is going to have to end? will they have to somehow phase their— will they have to somehow phase their wow— will they have to somehow phase their wow out— will they have to somehow phase their way out of— will they have to somehow phase their way out of labour, have to hhoee— their way out of labour, have to phoee their— their way out of labour, have to phoee their wow— their way out of labour, have to phase their way out of doing tweete—il phase their way out of doing. tweete—i hope tweets like this? well, i hope they do. mean, what keir tweets like this? well, i hope they do. has ean, what keir tweets like this? well, i hope they do. has alwaysiat keir tweets like this? well, i hope they do. has always promised is starmer has always promised is integrity honour in integrity and honour in politics. and this hardly sort of matches that test that he seems to have sunk to the level of personal abuse that boris johnson did at. and the whole point of keir starmer was that he would rise above that. now now the other point about this sort of ad is it's bound to actually backfire. does anyone

seriously believe that rishi sunak jack wants to keep rapists out of jail? i mean, it's just an absurd kind of claim . so on an absurd kind of claim. so on the basis of that, i rather hope that labour would have pulled the ad by now and not continue with the campaign . but all the with the campaign. but all the indications they're going to indications are they're going to stick their guns carry stick to their guns and carry on with that. okay. and we've got the time— with that. okay. and we've got the line back— with that. okay. and we've got the line back up,— with that. okay. and we've got the line back up, the- okay. and we've got the line back up, the techs wortimg— the line back up, the techs wortimg-go- the line back up, the techs working - go to the line back up, the techs working _go to the working so we can go back to the tormer— working so we can go back to the former-labourlist,- former editor of labourlist, heter— former editor of labourlist, peter—to- former editor of labourlist,i peter—to woo peter edwards. peter, do you thiht— peter edwards. peter, do you thiht thew-re— peter edwards. peter, do you think they're saying they're etowihg — think they're saying they're etowihg with— think they're saying they're staying with it— think they're saying they're staying with it just to save tote— staying with it just to save toee oht— staying with it just to save face and will— staying with it just to save face and will phase it out, or do face and will phase it out, or to-tmw— face and will phase it out, or do-truly believe- face and will phase it out, or do truly believe the do you truly believe that the iohow— do you truly believe that the iohow-teeh- do you truly believe that the labour keep sending labour party will keep sending us labour party will keep sending oe—thie— labour party will keep sending oe—thie e - labour party will keep sending oe—thie e i- labour party will keep sending us_this ? i don't. us tweets like this? i don't tetiete— us tweets like this? i don't believe that this type of campaign will run its course and ihope campaign will run its course and i hope it doesn't. and you know, i'll give you another quick example . remember, ed miliband example. remember, ed miliband was described by sir michael fallon as he stabbed his brother in the back and he'd stabbed britain in the back within 2 or 3 minutes of that speech, he was condemned reporters condemned by reporters who normally independent and normally are independent and don't rush out with their opinions everything and opinions and everything. and the tories revisit tories didn't didn't revisit that topic again. now, one could

argue was a dead argue that was a dead cat strategy . you say something strategy. you say something nasty hope it lodges in nasty once and hope it lodges in people's mind and then change nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmind and then change nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmirbelieve hen change nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmir believe this change nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmirbelieve this .iange nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmirbelieve this . um,3 tack. but no believe this. um, this campaign will be, you know, curtailed and downgraded and the sooner the better, quite frankly . do we judge the labour party horehiw— . do we judge the labour party more harshly if— do we judge the labour party more harshly if this happened the-orooht- more harshly if this happened the-oroomt .- more harshly if this happened the-around , we'd. the other way around, we'd be hotihg— the other way around, we'd be having—debate- the other way around, we'd be having—debate .. having this kind of debate. teth— having this kind of debate. well, that's— having this kind of debate. well, that's a— having this kind of debate. well, that's a that's a really good— well, that's a that's a really good question. _ well, that's a that's a really good question. so i think something i find as a labour activist is that we're all quite idealistic erg and i think perhaps conservatives sometimes and i have conservative friends are perhaps quite pragmatic about some of their politics. i think there's always a risk for labour that that it will say and you saw this under corbyn, we're nicer than the other guys and girls vote for us because we care a bit more . and similarly, care a bit more. and similarly, the have sometimes played the tories have sometimes played in of yes, we are in a strategy of yes, we are a bit mean, but we're competent, especially on things the especially on things like the economy. think of those economy. i think both of those approaches completely approaches are completely reductive because johnson reductive because boris johnson showed the tories not showed the tories are not competent and some of the events in labour last five

in labour over the last five years have shown that while a lot folk are lovely, lot of labour folk are lovely, they're like that they're not always like that 100% time. everyone and 100% of the time. everyone and i do stress as an all sides every every party has lapses of judgement. occasionally okay. well you for that . judgement. occasionally okay.j well-you for that . that's well thank you for that. that's heter— well thank you for that. that's peter—editor. well thank you for that. that'si peter—editor of peter edwards, former editor of iohowiiet. — peter edwards, former editor of labourlist. coming up next, wett— labourlist. coming up next, wet to— labourlist. coming up next, we'll do three— labourlist. coming up next, we'll do three quick fire topics with— we'll do three quick fire topics with-hohtite— we'll do three quick fire topics with-hohtite .— we'll do three quick fire topics with-pundits . we- we'll do three quick fire topics with pundits . we will with the pundits. we will ask, are with the pundits. we will ask, ore-toetore— with the pundits. we will ask, are-doctors pays- with the pundits. we will ask, are doctors pays demands are the doctors pays demands omeoiieet— are the doctors pays demands unrealised btec._ are the doctors pays demands unrealised btec. should the church— unrealised btec. should the church ot— unrealised btec. should the church of england have set aside tohte— church of england have set aside funds because— church of england have set aside funds because of— church of england have set aside funds because of its past links to eiotewe— funds because of its past links to slavery? and— funds because of its past links to slavery? and should airbnb hoete— to slavery? and should airbnb hoete im— to slavery? and should airbnb hosts in liverpool— to slavery? and should airbnb hosts in liverpool get to raise their— hosts in liverpool get to raise their oheee— hosts in liverpool get to raise their prices just— hosts in liverpool get to raise their prices just become because of their prices just become because ot o— their prices just become because ot o eertoih— their prices just become because of a certain song— their prices just become because of a certain song competition thot-e—wowe- of a certain song competition. that's—way? we'll that's heading their way? we'll see that's heading their way? we'll

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show respect to each other. and he-didn't margaret- show respect to each other. and he didn't margaret thatcher he says didn't margaret thatcher say he says didn't margaret thatcher eow—ottoet— he says didn't margaret thatcher eow—ottoet vou- say when they attack you hereohotw— say when they attack you personallyiit_ say when they attack you personally it means say when they attack you personallyiit means don't personally, it means they don't hote— personally, it means they don't havelpolitical_ personally, it means they don't have political argument have a political argument left. amt—stormerl have a political argument left.i and—starmer and and nick says, keir starmer and iohow— and nick says, keir starmer and iohow oe— and nick says, keir starmer and labour are getting— and nick says, keir starmer and labour are getting desperate. rereohoiw— labour are getting desperate. personally attacking your opponent— personally attacking your opponent ot— personally attacking your opponent at gutter level shows thot— opponent at gutter level shows thot-ore— opponent at gutter level shows that-are losing— opponent at gutter level shows that are losing public that they are losing public eopport— that they are losing public eoggort omi— that they are losing public support and voters sooner or her— support and voters sooner or ioter itiehi — support and voters sooner or later rishi will— support and voters sooner or later rishi will fix it. when? them— later rishi will fix it. when? when starmer— later rishi will fix it. when? when starmer couldn't and fix it was when starmer couldn't and fix it im— when starmer couldn't and fix it ih grote— when starmer couldn't and fix it was in quote. marks was naughty and was in quote. marks was naughty oht wett— was in quote. marks was naughty and well that's— was in quote. marks was naughty and well that's joining me through— and well that's joining me through the— and well that's joining me through the show. we have the remote— through the show. we have the rwmtite whith— through the show. we have the pundits which includes gb news hoiitieoi— pundits which includes gb news political commentator and fleet street— political commentator and fleet street hegemo— political commentator and fleet street legend nigel nelson roomoi— street legend nigel nelson roomoi tet— street legend nigel nelson journal ist and— street legend nigel nelson journal ist and broadcaster iihto— journal ist and broadcaster linda doebley— journal ist and broadcaster linda doebley and radio legend hei— linda doebley and radio legend heii tot— linda doebley and radio legend heii tot .— linda doebley and radio legend heii tot . he-e— linda doebley and radio legend neil fox . he's now a senior. neil fox. he's now a senior. iietieoi— neil fox. he's now a senior. medical professionals are womihg— medical professionals are warning that— medical professionals are warning that this week's planned tomor— warning that this week's planned romior etritee— warning that this week's planned junior strikes are— warning that this week's planned junior strikes are certain to put— junior strikes are certain to hot the— junior strikes are certain to out the his— junior strikes are certain to put the nhs and a huge pressure on ee— put the nhs and a huge pressure on 96 how— put the nhs and a huge pressure on 96 hour walkout due to begin on 96 hour walkout due to begin on ioeetow. — on 96 hour walkout due to begin on ioeetow. thew— on 96 hour walkout due to begin on tuesday. they will lead to eoheeiiet— on tuesday. they will lead to cancelled operations and what the his— cancelled operations and what the nhs national medical director— the nhs national medical director .— the nhs national medical director , sir— the nhs national medical director , sir stephen parry, director, sir stephen parry, eowe— director, sir stephen parry, eowe witt— director, sir stephen parry, eowe wiii he— director, sir stephen parry, says will be unparalleled levels of says will be unparalleled levels ot tiemgtiom— says will be unparalleled levels of disruption. health secretary stephen— of disruption. health secretary stephen barclay— of disruption. health secretary stephen barclay appears ohwiiiimg— stephen barclay appears unwilling to— stephen barclay appears unwilling to compromise , as he unwilling to compromise, as he wrote— unwilling to compromise, as he wrote im— unwilling to compromise, as he wrote in the— unwilling to compromise, as he wrote in the telegraph that

regoeete— wrote in the telegraph that regoeete tor— wrote in the telegraph that requests for a _ wrote in the telegraph that requests for a 35% pay rise are omeoiietie— requests for a 35% pay rise are omeoiietie .— requests for a 35% pay rise are unrealistic. erg.— requests for a 35% pay rise are unrealistic. erg. linda, what do you— unrealistic. erg. linda, what do you thiht— unrealistic. erg. linda, what do you think then?— unrealistic. erg. linda, what do you think then? so the compensation for 15 years below imiotioh— compensation for 15 years below imiotioh im— compensation for 15 years below imttotiom im pav— compensation for 15 years below inflation in pay rises , is this inflation in pay rises, is this reoiietie— inflation in pay rises, is this reoiietie to— inflation in pay rises, is this realistic to ask— inflation in pay rises, is this realistic to ask for it all in tomo— realistic to ask for it all in one lump sum? �*fthzge realistic to ask for it all in one lump sum? it?" one lump sum? well, i can understand why they're doing it. i don't know how realistic it is. but the problem here is. but the real problem here isn't so much that the teachers are money. are asking for more money. nurses for more nurses are asking for more money. doctors are for money. doctors are asking for more the real problem more money. the real problem is no in the economy. that's no growth in the economy. that's the underlying problem. so until we get that sorted out and we grip inflation, that sorted out as well, these wage battles aren't going to go away . and aren't going to go away. and many of them are with some of our most essential key workers , our most essential key workers, those who have to be supported . those who have to be supported. junior doctors work very , very, junior doctors work very, very, very long weeks and they earn £55,000. now, that's not that much for doing what they do . i much for doing what they do. i don't care what anyone says. i think they do deserve more money and really, they're pushed right up against a wall. now they have to take industrial action .

to take industrial action. that's that. nigel is it about the— that's that. nigel is it about the absolute— that's that. nigel is it about the absolute amount- nigel is it about the absolute amount that they get goit— the absolute amount that they get goit or— the absolute amount that they get goit or ie— the absolute amount that they get paid or is it— the absolute amount that they get paid or is it more about thie— get paid or is it more about this building— get paid or is it more about this building up— get paid or is it more about this building up over the years not hotihg— this building up over the years not hotihg o— this building up over the years mot howimg o how— this building up over the years not having a pay rise that motehee— not having a pay rise that matches with— not having a pay rise that matches with inflation so regortieee— matches with inflation so regardless-you . matches with inflation so regardless-you paid, regardless of what you get paid, ten regardless of what you get paid, teh weore— regardless of what you get paid, tem weore ogo— regardless of what you get paid, ten years ago, would have in ten years ago, you would have in reor— ten years ago, you would have in reoi—heihg— ten years ago, you would have in. real—being-more. real terms been being paid more. toot.— real terms been being paid more. tom—amt— real terms been being paid more. yeah,_and that's- yeah, that's right. and that's their argument for this 35% pay rise. in answer to the rise. but in answer to the original question, yeah, it's unrealistic . there's no way the unrealistic. there's no way the government that . if they government can do that. if they started paying out 35, they'd have to it to other people have to pay it to other people too. but the junior doctors too. so but the junior doctors know it's unrealistic . what they know it's unrealistic. what they want is for steve barclay , the want is for steve barclay, the health secretary, to talk to them realistically about pay . them realistically about pay. steve barclay says, no, i won't talk to you till you call off your strike. so you end up with a stalemate. if still steve barclay would say tomorrow , no, barclay would say tomorrow, no, or on tuesday morning, right, lads, come in. i've got a realistic offer to give you. let's talk about it. that strike will called off and that's will be called off and that's the it's gone . there have the way it's gone. there have been with— the way it's gone. there have been with previous— e 3 there have been with previous strikes the mom— been with previous strikes the eioim thot— been with previous strikes the claim that no,—

been with previous strikes the claim that no, there'll be no toitihg— claim that no, there'll be no talking-course,- claim that no, there'll be no talking course, strike talking and of course, a strike witt— talking and of course, a strike wit-eter— talking and of course, a strike will-ever-with- talking and of course, a strike will ever with talking. will only ever end with talking. it's will only ever end with talking. it-e tite— will only ever end with talking. it's like-scene— will only ever end with talking. it's like-scene in- will only ever end with talking. it's like scene in that it's like that scene in that peter— peter capaldi, doctor who ehieote— peter capaldi, doctor who episode _war,l peter capaldi, doctor whoi episode _war, of peter capaldi, doctor who- episode _war, of course episode the end a war, of course ime— episode the end a war, of course ,lhoe to— episode the end a war, of course ,lhoe to eho— episode the end a war, of course ,.has to end with— episode the end a war, of course , has to end with sitting , it has to end with sitting orooht— , it has to end with sitting orooht o— , it has to end with sitting around a discussing around a table discussing thihge.— around a table discussing. thihge.—hote things. yeah, you must have megotiotet— things. yeah, you must have negotiated some contracts in wow— negotiated some contracts in. wow—toh your time. you always hiin ball at your time. you always high ball ot-toh-t— your time. you always high ball ot-toh-t wow- your time. you always high ball at-don't you, joe? . at the start, don't you, joe? weir. — at the start, don't you, joe? weir. .— at the start, don't you, joe? weir. . ot— at the start, don't you, joe? well,-, of course- at the start, don't you, joe? well,-, of course you. at the start, don't you, joe? i well,-, of course you do. well, look, of course you do. and i think everything i've read about, none of these people want to apart from to strike. i mean, apart from maybe militant people, maybe a few militant people, they want to work. and they want to go to work. and like everyone , whether it's like everyone, whether it's been the train drivers, the nurses or the train drivers, whoever it may be, i suppose you just want to paid fairly for just want to get paid fairly for what the young doctors what you do. the young doctors have a really strained life, it seems. not that i've ever been one, but everything i've read and we know hours are and we know the hours are ridiculous. and although 55 grand like a lot of money grand sounds like a lot of money andifs grand sounds like a lot of money and it's not a small amount of money for what they get paid, it's suppose if you it's hard work. i suppose if you factor in inflation they reckon they they're like 26% down on what they were many years ago. so but that's the same i guess probably with the nurses and for everyone at the moment and teachers and i suppose as you

said , nothing will ever happen said, nothing will ever happen unless people will sit down around table and talk, but around a table and talk, but talk sensibly and i suppose they probably these are the kind of people you don't go into it to make of money to into make loads of money to go into the you go into it because it's a vocation, right? nurses the you go into it because it's a vo doctors,ight? nurses the you go into it because it's a v0 doctors, you’ nurses the you go into it because it's a vo doctors, you’ intorurses the you go into it because it's a vo doctors, you’ into it'ses the you go into it because it's a vo doctors, you’ into it for and doctors, you get into it for that reason. so i can't imagine that reason. so i can't imagine that know the devastation , that they know the devastation, the cause with the problems it will cause with people having operations, the problems it will cause with peo getting having operations, the problems it will cause with peo getting emergency �*ations, the problems it will cause with peo getting emergency treatment not getting emergency treatment and others that aren't striking will do the best they can because they always do. but i guess, you know, we've just had covid. we went through all that. we're there clapping every we're out there clapping every thursday were thursday night or we were for a certain and seems that certain time. and it seems that that very quickly forgotten. that got very quickly forgotten. and is a conversation that and this is a conversation that probably been going probably should have been going on than it's been on a lot sooner than it's been going on. it's come to a real head and you just want some head now and you just want some sensible heads together sensible heads to get together and let's get round and go, let's get round the table, for everyone table, please, for everyone concerned, how can we best sort it there any in it out there isn't any money in the know problems . the pot. you know the problems. but hand, how can but on the other hand, how can we we help so this we how can we help you so this doesn't happen again? people to talk doesn't happen again? people to toit eeheihiw.— doesn't happen again? people to talk sensibly. you're— talk sensibly. you're optimistic,- optimistic, aren't archbishop of

cohterhorw— optimistic, aren't archbishop of canterbury, welby used canterbury, justin welby used his canterbury, justin welby used hie—totow- canterbury, justin welby used hie—totow ihl canterbury, justin welby usedi his—today in part his easter sermon today in part to teteht— his easter sermon today in part to teteht the— his easter sermon today in part to defend the fund set up to ottreee— to defend the fund set up to address the— to defend the fund set up to address the church of england's hoet— address the church of england's poet-to— address the church of england's poet-to slavery-- address the church of england's past to slavery. the £100 past links to slavery. the £100 miiiioh— past links to slavery. the £100 million social— past links to slavery. the £100 million social impact fund was ptetget— million social impact fund was pledged im— million social impact fund was pledged in january, and welby eowe— pledged in january, and welby eowe ite— pledged in january, and welby eowe it-e hot— pledged in january, and welby says it's not post—colonial goit— says it's not post—colonial goiit .— says it's not post—colonial goitt , hot— says it's not post—colonial guilt , but there- says it's not post—colonial guilt, but there was, quote, impoeeihie— guilt, but there was, quote, impossible not— guilt, but there was, quote, impossible not to respond. when we thot— impossible not to respond. when we thot we— impossible not to respond. when we see that we had— impossible not to respond. when we see that we had done actions thot— we see that we had done actions thot tehiet— we see that we had done actions that denied the— we see that we had done actions that denied the reality of god's mitereoi— that denied the reality of god's universal power— that denied the reality of god's universal power and love, nigel is universal power and love, nigel ie the— universal power and love, nigel is the archbishop— universal power and love, nigel is the archbishop right about thiee— is the archbishop right about the? tteii— is the archbishop right about this? well the _ is the archbishop right about this? well the first question is, this? well the first question ie where— this? well the first question is, where did— this? well the first question is, where did he— this? well the first question is, where did he find this £100 miiiiom — is, where did he find this £100 miiiiom i— is, where did he find this £100 million? i thought- is, where did he find this £100 million? 3 it it million? i thought the church was actually rather poor and an awful lot of them are falling down. so suddenly he brings this money out from the back of the sofa and says, we can actually make reparations for slavery . make reparations for slavery. the question is, should the overall question is, should you be making reparations and apologising for everything that happenedin apologising for everything that happened in our past history ? my happened in our past history? my own view is that it should be for things within living memory or where relatives are. relatives of people affected are still alive, where you actually can do some good. the idea of going back into history and

constantly making reparations is difficult. however it's the it seems to me the archbishop's money, if he wants to spend it that way, that's his choice. i think that if the government started doing it and it was us taxpayers affected , we might taxpayers affected, we might have something to say about it . have something to say about it. yeah. linda, do you think yeah. linda, what do you think ohoot— about this? i mean, we're toitihg—ioti about this? i mean, we're talking—lot the talking reparations a lot in the ot— talking reparations a lot in the ot the— talking reparations a lot in the news at the moment. i know. i thirt— news at the moment. i know. i thimt the— news at the moment. i know. i think the question here is that news at the moment. i know. i thinmoney,jestion here is that news at the moment. i know. i thin money, theion here is that news at the moment. i know. i thin money, the archbishopthat news at the moment. i know. i thinmoney, the archbishop isit the money, the archbishop is talking is the money made talking about is the money made off the back of slavery hundreds off the back of slavery hundreds of years ago that continues to affect some organisations and some communities and some people these days. so a part of that money should go to those people. but i'm really against the idea that you continually pay reparations historically or right across the board has got to be a mistake because you just can't afford to keep doing that. history is history. it's happened and we need to move on. i think it's wrong all the time. i think it's wrong all the time. i think it's wrong all the time. i think the one thing i would say about i've read the archbishop speech is that he talks about not being

talks about it not being attached to post—colonial guilt . i mean, he should just have left that out of it because what do we need to know that we don't need to know don't need need to know that we don't need an excuse ? i mean, like an excuse? i mean, like like nigel, i am surprised. he obviously looked under the mattress and found this amount of and it did surprise me. of money and it did surprise me. but we don't need any justification. quite justification. and then a quite long and incomprehensible splurge about the mercy of god. now, i was at mass this morning and i listened to my priest sermon. i thought it was brilliant, actually. and i think sermons think sermons are great, but i think his understand . and his was hard to understand. and the line to me, the bottom line to me, it was a bit incomprehension. edible. yeah. did comprehend it, yeah. did you comprehend it, were — yeah. did you comprehend it, neil? _think- yeah. did you comprehend it, neil? _think i. yeah. did you comprehend it,i neil? _think i find neil? well, look, i think i find quite a lot of his speeches quite a lot of his speeches quite up his backside. i got to be honest, if i'm being- r: l. " , at: i got to be honest, if i'm being really hoheet— be honest, if i'm being really hoheet .— be honest, if i'm being really hoheet, i— be honest, if i'm being really hoheet, i to.— be honest, if i'm being really honest, i do. he's gone to hell. to.— honest, i do. he's gone to hell. to. tteii— honest, i do. he's gone to hell. to. tteii i— honest, i do. he's gone to hell. to. tteii i hope— honest, i do. he's gone to hell. no. well i hope not. but i have to eow— no. well i hope not. but i have to eow it— no. well i hope not. but i have to say, it doesn't— no. well i hope not. but i have to say, it doesn't always make to— to say, it doesn't always make sense to me. research has found the church-e— sense to me. research has found the ehoreh-e 9— sense to me. research has found the church's 9 billion plus gergetooi— the church's 9 billion plus perpetual endowment fund origihotet— perpetual endowment fund originated partly in something eoiiet— originated partly in something eoiiet the— originated partly in something called the queen anne's bounty , called the queen anne's bounty, which— called the queen anne's bounty, whieh etortet—

called the queen anne's bounty, which started back— called the queen anne's bounty, which started back in 1704. but there-e— which started back in 1704. but there-e o— which started back in 1704. but there-e o 9— which started back in 1704. but there's a 9 billion— which started back in 1704. but there's a 9 billion plus gergetooi— there's a 9 billion plus perpetual endowment fund, so 100 miiiioh— perpetual endowment fund, so 100 miiiioh ie— perpetual endowment fund, so 100 million is fairly— perpetual endowment fund, so 100 million is fairly small. and out of million is fairly small. and out ot thot— million is fairly small. and out ot thot .— million is fairly small. and out ot thot . hot— million is fairly small. and out of that . but look— million is fairly small. and out of that . but look how they spend of that. but look how they spend their— of that. but look how they spend their money— of that. but look how they spend their money ie— of that. but look how they spend their money is up— of that. but look how they spend their money is up to them. but on their money is up to them. but oh the— their money is up to them. but oh the other— their money is up to them. but on the other hand,— their money is up to them. but on the other hand, i suppose if you— on the other hand, i suppose if you oe— on the other hand, i suppose if you i— on the other hand, i suppose if you i meom— on the other hand, i suppose if you are i mean, there are so mom— you are i mean, there are so many hioeee— you are i mean, there are so many gtoeee eo— you are i mean, there are so many places, so many small tiiiogee— many places, so many small tiiiogee or— many places, so many small villages or towns— many places, so many small villages or towns now don't have a villages or towns now don't have o hermoheht— villages or towns now don't have a permanent priest— villages or towns now don't have a permanent priest or anyone or a permanent priest or anyone or o thew— a permanent priest or anyone or a vicar, they have— a permanent priest or anyone or a vicar, they have to share them one— a vicar, they have to share them one eo— a vicar, they have to share them and so sometimes— a vicar, they have to share them and so sometimes you don't you ooh-t— and so sometimes you don't you ooh-t go— and so sometimes you don't you ooh-t go to— and so sometimes you don't you can't even go to your local church— can't even go to your local church oh— can't even go to your local church on o— can't even go to your local church on a sunday anymore . church on a sunday anymore. ttooith-t— church on a sunday anymore. wouldn't potentially out of the 9 hiiiiom— wouldn't potentially out of the 9 billion, maybe— wouldn't potentially out of the 9 billion, maybe spend some of the money— 9 billion, maybe spend some of the money oh— 9 billion, maybe spend some of the money on that.— 9 billion, maybe spend some of the money on that. so, i mean, in o— the money on that. so, i mean, in o wow— the money on that. so, i mean, in o wow, you— the money on that. so, i mean, in a way, you employ enough reorie— in a way, you employ enough geopte eo— in a way, you employ enough geopte eo thot— in a way, you employ enough people so that people can go to church.— people so that people can go to church-_to- church. that seems to be a fundamental— church. that seems to be a fundamental thing about church to—hiiiiohl fundamental thing about church to i after_ billion i fundamental thing about church to after take billion fundamental thing about church to after take that billion fundamental thing about church to after take that amount left after you take that amount out. — left after you take that amount out. txootiw. — left after you take that amount out. exactly. yeah.— left after you take that amount out. niamey “iii?" �*fthzgl out. exactly. yeah. well, finally, song finally, the eurovision song contest next contest comes to liverpool next month, seems a few month, and it seems a few entrepreneurs have seen chance entrepreneurs have seen a chance to quid out of to make a few quid out of it. airbnb to action , airbnb have had to take action, warning that they stop warning that they will stop their raising prices for their hosts raising prices for people are coming to for people who are coming to the for city the contest. an extra 150,000 expected to make 150,000 are expected to make their way to liverpool for the event. o'neill is it fair? i

mean, you know your music. you know this music is know how great this music is going would you over going to be. would you pay over the in liverpool ? the odds to be in liverpool? okay, so hang on. okay. i think more— okay, so hang on. okay. i think thot-e o— okay, so hang on. okay. i think thot-e o eiight— okay, so hang on. okay. i think that's a slight-in- okay, so hang on. okay. i think that's a slight in cheek that's a slight tongue in cheek there.— that's a slight tongue in cheek there-eurovision- there. look, the eurovision weirtw— there. look, the eurovisioni weirdly—almost there. look, the eurovision. weirdly—almost a there. look, the eurovision- weirdly_almost a cult weirdly has become almost a cult tiewihg— weirdly has become almost a cult viewing experience— weirdly has become almost a cult viewing experience now, even though— viewing experience now, even though the— viewing experience now, even though the music is potentially orot.— though the music is potentially eroh. iet-e— though the music is potentially erop. iet-e he— though the music is potentially crap. let's be honest. although to he— crap. let's be honest. although to he toh— crap. let's be honest. although to he gr, oe— crap. let's be honest. although to be fair, as you're going to heir.— to be fair, as you're going to heii. ho,— to be fair, as you're going to heii. ho, ho— to be fair, as you're going to hell. no, no, no— to be fair, as you're going to hell. no, no, no .— to be fair, as you're going to hell. no, no, no . britain's hell. no, no, no. britain's eurovision— hell. no, no, no. britain's eurovision entry last with sam itwter— eurovision entry last with sam itwter oe— eurovision entry last with sam ryder was really— eurovision entry last with sam ryder was really good , actually ryder was really good, actually for ryder was really good, actually tor the— ryder was really good, actually tor the thet— ryder was really good, actually for the first time,— ryder was really good, actually for the first time, and it did reoiiw— for the first time, and it did really weii. — for the first time, and it did really well. so— for the first time, and it did really well. so i— for the first time, and it did really well. so i think it's eort— really well. so i think it's eortlgome— really well. so i think it's sort gone through sort of gone through a transition. _ sort of gone through a transition. getting better. transition. it's getting better. toot— transition. it's getting better. toot-theee— transition. it's getting better. look these people wrong to look are these people wrong to hoeieoiw— look are these people wrong to hoeieotiw goe— look are these people wrong to basically go? we've got a lot of reorie— basically go? we've got a lot of geohie-to— basically go? we've got a lot of peopie-to ow- basically go? we've got a lot of people-to our city.- basically go? we've got a lot of people to our city. there people coming to our city. there oeht— people coming to our city. there oeht enough— people coming to our city. there aren't enough rooms. they we're people coming to our city. there aren't to ough rooms. they we're people coming to our city. there aren't to puth rooms. they we're people coming to our city. there aren't to put our)ms. they we're people coming to our city. there aren't to put our priceshey we're people coming to our city. there aren't to put our prices up. we're people coming to our city. there aren't to put our prices up. good going to put our prices up. good toot— going to put our prices up. good toot to— going to put our prices up. good toot to them.— going to put our prices up. good luck to them. i— going to put our prices up. good luck to them. i tell— going to put our prices up. good luck to them. i tell you what, no luck to them. i tell you what, moh—- luck to them. i tell you what,- no_in wimbledon no one complains in wimbledon wheh—eomei when they do exactly the same thing. —heohie| thing. when a load of people orritihg— thing. when a load of people orritihg ot— thing. when a load of people arriving at wimbledon or the ptowere— arriving at wimbledon or the ptowere-to— arriving at wimbledon or the ptowere-to-o- arriving at wimbledon or the players to a house, players want to rent a house, goot— players want to rent a house, good-amt— players want to rent a house, goot-aht to— players want to rent a house, good -and do you - players want to rent a house,- good -and do you _what players want to rent a house, goo market and do you what players want to rent a house, goo market will do you what players want to rent a house, goo market will dictate what players want to rent a house, goo market will dictate if what players want to rent a house, goo market will dictate if it what the market will dictate if it with— the market will dictate if it came with one— the market will dictate if it came with one case that a guy hot— came with one case that a guy hot-riot— came with one case that a guy hot-riot tor— came with one case that a guy had-flat for five- came with one case that a guy had flat for five nights had got a flat for five nights for had got a flat for five nights tor thee,— had got a flat for five nights for £450, the _ had got a flat for five nights for £450, the guy who was airbnb ing for £450, the guy who was airbnb ihg it— for £450, the guy who was airbnb img it got— for £450, the guy who was airbnb img it got hoet— for £450, the guy who was airbnb ing it got back to— for £450, the guy who was airbnb ing it got back to him and he reoiieet— ing it got back to him and he reoiieet it— ing it got back to him and he realised it was— ing it got back to him and he realised it was all for eurovision— realised it was all for eurovision going it's two grand

now-ito— eurovision going it's two grand now-ito ehohge— eurovision going it's two grand now. to change the price and now. try to change the price and you— now. try to change the price and you got— now. try to change the price and you go, wett— now. try to change the price and you go, wettlhe— now. try to change the price and you go, well, he can charge you go, well, if he can charge two— you go, well, if he can charge two-him — you go, well, if he can charge two-him get- you go, well, if he can charge two-him get away. you go, well, if he can charge. two-him get away with two grand, let him get away with it. im— two grand, let him get away with itlmo ohe— two grand, let him get away with him howe— two grand, let him get away with it. no one pays he'll it. if no one pays it, he'll reoeet— it. if no one pays it, he'll reduce his— it. if no one pays it, he'll reduce his prices. that's how it worte — reduce his prices. that's how it wrote .the— reduce his prices. that's how it works. .price gouging- reduce his prices. that's how it works. dd 9 works. see, price gouging is wrong . when people allowed wrong. when people are allowed to out from a really to profit out from a really awful thing, like a like some kind of terrorist attack or a conflict or something like that. people shouldn't profiteer out of a bad situation like that. but neil's right. of a bad situation like that. but neil's right . when wimbledon but neil's right. when wimbledon happens or in another big event like that happens, market forces come into play. if the guy can do it and he advertises his house at a certain rate, he should be able to do it. yeah, it's not like you can't see it as well. it is available free on the— as well. it is available free on the teiiw. — as well. it is available free on the telly. yeah,— it is available free on the telly. yeah, exactly. two it the telly. yeah, exactly. which is prohotiw— the telly. yeah, exactly. which is probably where i shall watch it from. well the going up there you watch it but impressive you will watch it but impressive night year . you will watch it but impressive night year. okay. this you will watch it but impressive ni what year. okay. this you will watch it but impressive ni what happens okay. this you will watch it but impressive ni what happens with. this you will watch it but impressive ni what happens with an this is what happens with an unregulated free market that people make excess profits and pnces people make excess profits and prices go through the roof. so the argument here is it should be regulated a bit more . the be regulated a bit more. the poor guy who actually got his

airbnb be for £450 and then gets charged almost four times the amount i'd have thought. he's got a good case in law to say, look, i did a deal with you at 450. you accepted the money. you can't now change it because that's contractual breach . that's a contractual breach. well, would have thought so. well, i would have thought so. ihot-e— that's absolutely wrong. but i toh-t—ohwthihgl that's absolutely wrong. but i don't with anything that's absolutely wrong. but i don't with people anything that's absolutely wrong. but i don't with people anythi able wrong with people being able to protiteer— wrong with people being able to profiteer—event- profiteer out of a big event tite— profiteer out of a big event iite thie— profiteer out of a big event like this if— profiteer out of a big event like this if they've got the gee — like this if they've got the gee _toee- like this if they've got the space.-face it,- like this if they've got the i space. _face it, there space. but let's face it, there may— space. but let's face it, there mow hote— space. but let's face it, there may have suffered. "er : may have suffered. they should be this what be charging is this is what airbnb should be airbnb is saying, you should be charging reasonable prices certainly bit extra. how certainly make a bit extra. how do reasonable? well, certainly make a bit extra. how do guy reasonable? well, certainly make a bit extra. how do guy who reasonable? well, certainly make a bit extra. how do guy who actuallyable? well, certainly make a bit extra. how do guy who actually spent well, certainly make a bit extra. how do guy who actually spent histll, the guy who actually spent his £450, thought rather £450, which he thought rather than the 2000, his argument was if it went up £50 a night, that'd be reasonable. i think that's about right. yeah well, i think there waslbreach- that's about right. yeah well, i think there waslbreach of- ” g / well, i think there was breach of a think there was a breach of a eohtroetooi— think there was a breach of a contractual agreement and that's the porn,— contractual agreement and that's the point, hot— contractual agreement and that's the point, not the— contractual agreement and that's the point, not the amount they hreoehet— the point, not the amount they breached the _ the point, not the amount they breached the agreement, but he wooit— breached the agreement, but he wooit hote— breached the agreement, but he would have accepted a higher price.— would have accepted a higher price—the- price. the irony, it's the eurovision song contest and we're big song and we're making a big song and dance about no. yeah, yeah. still we have still to come tonight, we have the at with the papers at 1030 with full reaction brilliant reaction from my brilliant pundits. but coming up next, northern irish politician and

peer hoey will be here to peer kate hoey will be here to discuss the good friday agreement. 25 years since it was signed .

welcome back to mark dolan tonight. with me, stephen allan. this weekend marks 25 years since the historic good friday agreement was signed, bringing a measure of peace to northern ireland after years of violent conflict known as the troubles . conflict known as the troubles. the agreement was signed . on the the agreement was signed. on the 10th of april 1998 by then prime minister tony blair, then taoiseach or irish premier bertie ahern. it was subsequently approved by public vote in northern ireland, as well as the republic of ireland and established the system of power sharing the main power sharing between the main parties, remains high on parties, which remains high on the news agenda to this day. the prime minister, rishi sunak, will welcome president joe biden to northern ireland on tuesday to northern ireland on tuesday to the anniversary . i'm to mark the anniversary. i'm delighted to be joined by delighted now to be joined by northern irish politician and

life peer baroness kate hoey, who served as labour mp for vauxhall from 1989 to 2019. good evening, kate . so tell us of the evening, kate. so tell us of the significance of the good friday agreement. good evening . well, agreement. good evening. well, looking back 25 years,- agreement. good evening. well, looking back 25 years, it- g e: g well, looking back 25 years, it was tert— looking back 25 years, it was very significant— looking back 25 years, it was very significant at the time and the trime— very significant at the time and the prime minister tony blair, did the prime minister tony blair, tit hot— the prime minister tony blair, tit hot im— the prime minister tony blair, tit out in o— the prime minister tony blair, did put in a huge amount of work to get— did put in a huge amount of work to get it— did put in a huge amount of work to get it over— did put in a huge amount of work to get it over the— did put in a huge amount of work to get it over the line. it was eomethihg— to get it over the line. it was something that— to get it over the line. it was something that at the time to mom— something that at the time to mom heogte— something that at the time to mom geopte im— something that at the time to many people in the pro—union eommohitw— many people in the pro—union community, was— many people in the pro—union community, was seen as the end of community, was seen as the end ot the— community, was seen as the end ot the whoie— community, was seen as the end of the whole question of people temohtihg— of the whole question of people temohtihg o— of the whole question of people demanding a united ireland. it was seen as once— demanding a united ireland. it was seen as once and for all hot— was seen as once and for all thot the— was seen as once and for all that the irish— was seen as once and for all that the irish republic had oeeegtet— that the irish republic had accepted that— that the irish republic had accepted that the constitutional etotoe— accepted that the constitutional etotoe ot— accepted that the constitutional status of northern ireland would not ehohge— status of northern ireland would not change until— status of northern ireland would not change until such time as the— not change until such time as the reorie— not change until such time as the geopte ot— not change until such time as the people of northern ireland teeitet— the people of northern ireland teeitet thew— the people of northern ireland decided they wanted to change it. tho— decided they wanted to change it. amt ot— decided they wanted to change it. and of course,— decided they wanted to change it. and of course, you know, a iot— it. and of course, you know, a tot ot— it. and of course, you know, a tot ot heogte— it. and of course, you know, a lot of people voted for it . lot of people voted for it. i supported— lot of people voted for it. i supported it— lot of people voted for it. i supported it at— lot of people voted for it. i supported it at the- lot of people voted for it. i supported it at the time . i went supported it at the time. i went along and over to northern ireland and campaigned for it. but if there were some very difficult parts of it releasing

terrorists after a very short time was something that was very unpalatable to many, many people. but the overall principle was that this would end the killing. and of course, it did stop the very large, you know , very large amounts of know, very large amounts of killing that had gone on. and but it didn't bring ultimately peace in the sense of the two communities coexisting very well. although things over the last 25 years have been better. but it's rather ironic , i think, but it's rather ironic, i think, that just as people are commemorating it, that actually the belfast agreement is now pretty shattered. you know, the stormont is not sitting and even david trimble, who was one of the architects of the belfast agreement, just before he died, wrote to say that it had been completely broken down by the protocol . so we're in completely broken down by the protocol. so we're in a situation where there's going to be lots of kind of memorials to

it, but actually on a day to day bafis it, but actually on a day to day basis now it's probably the belfast agreement is broken and thatis belfast agreement is broken and that is going to require a great deal of fixing. so talk to us about the role that the good friday agreement plays in the disputes about the northern ireland protocol. well, i'll the reoiitw— ireland protocol. well, i'll the reoiitw ie— ireland protocol. well, i'll the reality is that— ireland protocol. well, i'll the reality is that the— : , well, i'll the reality is that the belfast ”cleft: , well, i'll the reality is that the belfast good tritow— reality is that the belfast good friday agreement— reality is that the belfast good friday agreement had nothing in it ohout— friday agreement had nothing in it about borders— friday agreement had nothing in it about borders and structures at it about borders and structures ot hortere— it about borders and structures at borders all— it about borders and structures at borders all it— it about borders and structures at borders all it said was that it wohtet— at borders all it said was that it wohtet to— at borders all it said was that it wanted to make sure there was no eeeuritw— it wanted to make sure there was no security infrastructure at the— no security infrastructure at the hotter— no security infrastructure at the hotter. — no security infrastructure at the border . and- no security infrastructure at the border . ' r: l. the border. and unfortunately, when the united kingdom voted to leave , the european union and leave, the european union and people in northern ireland had the same ballot paper saying , do the same ballot paper saying, do you want to leave as the uk ? not you want to leave as the uk? not do you want to leave northern ireland the european union ireland out? the european union , coupled irish , coupled with the irish government , realised that this government, realised that this was soft spot left to was quite a soft spot left to punish the united kingdom for leaving and that northern ireland. and they kept going on over and over again. we can't possibly border or a hard

possibly have a border or a hard border. they kept using the word hard without defining it hard border without defining it on the island of ireland . and so on the island of ireland. and so ultimately our own government then accepted that there would be a border down the irish sea dividing our own country. so we're now in this ridiculous situation, even with the winds of framework, which was the recent changes to the protocol, hasn't really changed. the structural issue that northern ireland is has has been left under eu rules in the single market for trading issues and under the european court of justice . and so as the rest of justice. and so as the rest of great britain diverges more and more from the eu , northern more from the eu, northern ireland will be left behind and thatis ireland will be left behind and that is now the main reason why stormont is not sitting. why the democratic unionist party have said they won't go back in and in the form of government that was set up by the belfast agreement. it has to be a form of power sharing, so it has to be the two communities working together and so, so sinn fein a

few years ago brought down the assembly for three years. now the dup have brought it down for over a year and we're in a situation where biden's coming on tuesday . situation where biden's coming on tuesday. he can't situation where biden's coming on tuesday . he can't actually on tuesday. he can't actually even go to stormont to address the mlas because stormont is not sitting . and i think the whole sitting. and i think the whole thing would be a little bit of a hyping up of something that actually because of the action of our own government is, is no longer working. so so if we pay attention to the news and realise there's been a rise in violence lately , do you think violence lately, do you think the motivation force is the issue to do with the northern ireland protocol or are other factors at work here? well , i factors at work here? well, i think that obviously- , , well, i think that obviously there have oiwowe— think that obviously there have oiwowe teem— think that obviously there have always been elements within the tehuhiieoh— always been elements within the republican movement who haven't given— republican movement who haven't given up— republican movement who haven't given uh oh— republican movement who haven't given up on the— republican movement who haven't given up on the violence ottitute— given up on the violence attitude towards getting what they— attitude towards getting what they wont,— attitude towards getting what they want, which is a united ireioht— they want, which is a united ireland and— they want, which is a united ireland and we— they want, which is a united ireland and we have seen hreotowow— ireland and we have seen breakaway groups from the

ottieioi— breakaway groups from the ottieioi .— breakaway groups from the official , you— breakaway groups from the official , you know, the official official, you know, the official row.— official, you know, the official new, the— official, you know, the official ira, the main— official, you know, the official ira, the main ira, provisional iita. — ira, the main ira, provisional iita. ami— ira, the main ira, provisional iita. amt how— ira, the main ira, provisional ira. and now we've- ira, the main ira, provisional ira. and now we've got the real ira. and now we've got the real ira who are responsible recently for the attack on the police sergeant in in northern ireland. just a couple of weeks ago. and we are you know, it is worrying . it is worrying because there are groups that may not be very big and they may not have the huge support that the ira had . huge support that the ira had. but they're there and they have threatened, you know, and our security forces have definitely got intelligence that there wanting to, you know, make some kind of attack. and whether they would do it when biden is here, president biden , because president biden, because president biden, because president biden, because president biden hasn't actually shown much interest in northern ireland. he's he is very , very ireland. he's he is very, very irish. i mean , he even made irish. i mean, he even made a comment one day about, you know, made a joke , saint patrick's made a joke, saint patrick's day, which didn't go down very well about no orange when well about no orange hair when he was standing in front of a

lot of irish people. so, you know, huge know, there's not huge enthusiasm for biden coming anyway. but i think it i think it's unlikely that the elements of republicanism would want to upset the american us in that way. so but yes, there is no doubt about it that things are are not good in northern ireland. and i'm afraid our own government has a lot of responsibility for that . thank responsibility for that. thank you very much. l thank you very much. northern irish hoiitieioh— you very much. northern irish politician and— you very much. northern irish politician and life peer baroness kate hoey. still to oh the— baroness kate hoey. still to come on the show, ann widdecombe come on the show, aim widdecombe will come on the show, ann widdecombe wiii he— come on the show, ann widdecombe wiii he here— come on the show, ann widdecombe wiii he here to— come on the show, ann widdecombe will be here to talk— come on the show, ann widdecombe will be here to talk about the tegoew— will be here to talk about the tegoew ot— will be here to talk about the legacy of margaret thatcher ten weore— legacy of margaret thatcher ten weore otter— legacy of margaret thatcher ten years after her— legacy of margaret thatcher ten years after her death. plus wett— years after her death. plus we-ii hote— years after her death. plus we'll have the— years after her death. plus we'll have the papers at 1030. hut— we'll have the papers at 1030. hut mett— we'll have the papers at 1030. hut hett im— we'll have the papers at 1030. hut next in my— we'll have the papers at 1030. but next in my take, at ten, otter— but next in my take, at ten, otter hoiiee— but next in my take, at ten, after police were- but next in my take, at ten, after police were called to the hotwguort— after police were called to the bodyguard musical, all i'll be oetihg— bodyguard musical, all i'll be oetihg it— bodyguard musical, all i'll be oetihg it the— bodyguard musical, all i'll be asking if the side effect of the toettowh— asking if the side effect of the toettowh ie— asking if the side effect of the lockdown is that— asking if the side effect of the lockdown is that we've forgotten how— lockdown is that we've forgotten howlhehote — lockdown is that we've forgotten howlhehote .—

welcome back to mark dolan tonight— welcome back to mark dolan tonight with— welcome back to mark dolan tonight with me.— welcome back to mark dolan tonight with me. stephen allen is tonight with me. stephen allen ie o— tonight with me. stephen allen ie o greot— tonight with me. stephen allen is a great first— tonight with me. stephen allen is a great first hour. we've got hiehtw— is a great first hour. we've got hiehtw moe— is a great first hour. we've got hiehtw tor— is a great first hour. we've got plenty more for you coming up on the ehow— plenty more for you coming up on the show tonight— plenty more for you coming up on the show tonight .— plenty more for you coming up on the show tonight . might take the show tonight. it might take at the show tonight. it might take ot-oe— the show tonight. it might take ot-oe hoiiee— the show tonight. it might take at-as police are— the show tonight. it might take at as police are called to at ten as police are called to a production— at ten as police are called to a production bodyguard. at ten as police are called to a pro askion bodyguard. at ten as police are called to a pro ask ifi bodyguard. at ten as police are called to a pro ask if it bodyguard. at ten as police are called to a pro ask if it spells bodyguard. at ten as police are called to a pro ask if it spells indyguard. i'll ask if it spells in lockdown.- i'll ask if it spells in lockdown. that made us forget how— lockdown. that made us forget how to— lockdown. that made us forget how to behave. _ lockdown. that made us forget how to behave. it— lockdown. that made us forget how to behave. it is ten years eie— how to behave. it is ten years tormer— how to behave. it is ten years since former prime minister iiorgoret— since former prime minister margaret thatcher passed away and margaret thatcher passed away oht oh— margaret thatcher passed away and an widdecombe will be here to_the— and an widdecombe will be here to_the iegoew— and an widdecombe will be here to_the iegoew ot— and an widdecombe will be here to the legacy of one of to assess the legacy of one of the— to assess the legacy of one of the - influential- to assess the legacy of one of the influential political the most influential political tiguree— the most influential political tiguree ot— the most influential political figures of the— the most influential political figures of the century. and figures of the last century. and of course, myself— figures of the last century. and of course, myself and my hriiiioht— of course, myself and my brilliant pundits will get stuck into— brilliant pundits will get stuck into ott— brilliant pundits will get stuck into or ot— brilliant pundits will get stuck into all of monday's front pages thot— into all of monday's front pages thot-he— into all of monday's front pages thot-he oh— into all of monday's front pages that-be on the.at- into all of monday's front pages that be on the.at 1030. that will be on the.at 1030. more— that will be on the.at 1030. more greot— that will be on the.at 1030. more great content coming your way— more great content coming your wow oh— more great content coming your way on britain's— more great content coming your way on britain's news channel. hut— way on britain's news channel. hut-the—

way on britain's news channel. but-the headlines- way on britain's news channel. but the headlines with but first, the headlines with hethohw— but first, the headlines with hethomw treet— but first, the headlines with bethany elsey .— but first, the headlines with bethany elsey . steve thank you. bethany elsey. steve thank you. i'm bethany elsey. steve thank you. i-m hethmw— bethany elsey. steve thank you. i'm bethany elsey— bethany elsey. steve thank you. i'm bethany elsey with- bethany elsey. steve thank you. i'm bethany elsey with the- i'm bethany elsey with the latest from the gb newsroom. a funeral service has been held for two british israeli sisters who were killed in the occupied west bank. rina and maya die aged 15 and 20. they were shot deadin aged 15 and 20. they were shot dead in their car by a suspected palestine gunman near an israeli settlement on friday. their mother is still in hospital and is believed to be in a coma. there father rabbi leo led the service . he called him an service. he called him an inspiration and said he would love them forever . the attack love them forever. the attack comes amid a rise in conflict across the region as easter, ramadan in passover coincide . ramadan in passover coincide. hertfordshire police says further allegations have been made against the former metropolitan police officer, david carrick since his conviction earlier this year. the guardian newspaper reports that more than ten people have

contacted the force, with accusations include sexual assault. the cps is now investigating . the 48 year old investigating. the 48 year old was jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 years after carrying out what the court heard was a catalogue of violent and brutal . sex attacks. between and brutal. sex attacks. between 2003 and 2020, nhs leaders are warning a four day strike by junior doctors in england will cause unparalleled levels of disruption for patients . the disruption for patients. the national medical director, professor stephen powis, says he's very concerned with hospitals facing 100 hours without up to half of their medical workforce. junior doctors will walk out from tuesday in an ongoing dispute over pay the nhs confederation says a quarter of a million appointments could be postponed . a new survey reveals more than 1 in 10 teachers have been physically assaulted by a student in the last year. the nhs union says teachers have

been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whilst1 been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whilst 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse from a parent or carer at the union's annual conference in glasgow. members also spoke about how they'd been subjected to racism, sexual assault and homophobia . at least assault and homophobia. at least four people have been killed in an avalanche in a popular skiing area of the french alps. it's believed the victims were hikers climbing in the onset glacier near mont blanc. several others have been injured. and a search and rescue operation is still underway . the king queen consort underway. the king queen consort and other senior royals have attended an easter church service at windsor castle. it was held at saint george's chapel and was the king the first of king charles's reign . first of king charles's reign. the occasion falls on the second anniversary of prince philip's death. both he and the late queen have been laid to rest in the grounds of the chapel . the grounds of the chapel. you're up to date on online dab+

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made us forget how to behave? kyiv you may-seen- made us forget how to behave? kyiv you may seen this week kyiv you may have seen this week the—performance- the news that a performance of the news that a performance of the—to— the news that a performance of the—to he- the bodyguard had to be abandoned— the bodyguard had to be- abandoned—audience abandoned because the audience tietimg— abandoned because the audience were kicking off.— abandoned because the audience were kicking off. ironically, thew— were kicking off. ironically, thew-o— were kicking off. ironically, they a bodyguard, one they needed a bodyguard, one overenthusiastic_ they needed a bodyguard, one overenthusiastic audience member was overenthusiastic audience member eihgihg— overenthusiastic audience member eihgihg otohg— overenthusiastic audience member was singing along to i will oiwowe— was singing along to i will otwowe tote— was singing along to i will always love you, which wasn't a eehtimeht— always love you, which wasn't a sentiment shared— always love you, which wasn't a sentiment shared by the people sat sentiment shared by the people eot heot— sentiment shared by the people eot heor-oht— sentiment shared by the people sat near-and it— sentiment shared by the people sat near-and it led- sentiment shared by the people sat near and it led to a sat near her and it led to a eeuttie— sat near her and it led to a scuffle. - lights - sat near her and it led to a- scuffle.-lights-dropped scuffle. the lights were dropped .the— scuffle. the lights were dropped ,ghe-ng_ scuffle. the lights were dropped .the-woe-ihe- scuffle. the lights were dropped , the-was-the show- scuffle. the lights were dropped , the was the show was , the mic was cut. the show was over because .the _ , the mic was cut. the show was over because the behaviour of over because of the behaviour of someone-wouldn't- over because of the behaviour of someone wouldn't sit someone who wouldn't just sit there—thew- someone who wouldn't just sit there—they have. someone who wouldn't just sit. there—they have signs there and watch. they have signs at there and watch. they have signs ot-theee— there and watch. they have signs ot-theee towe- there and watch. they have signs at these days saying , at musicals these days saying, rteoee— at musicals these days saying, rteoeelhot— at musicals these days saying, please i not sing _ at musicals these days saying, please not sing along, but please do not sing along, but imogihe— please do not sing along, but imagine-entitled- please do not sing along, but imagine entitled or imagine being so entitled or uheeit— imagine being so entitled or unself aware— imagine being so entitled or unself aware that you think it's ohout— unself aware that you think it's ohout wou— unself aware that you think it's about you doing— unself aware that you think it's about you doing what you want to do. about you doing what you want to tho-thie— about you doing what you want to to-thie onw— about you doing what you want to do.-this only seems- about you doing what you want to do. this only seems to be do. now this only seems to be a prohiem — do. now this only seems to be a prohiem ot— do. now this only seems to be a prohiem ot the— do. now this only seems to be a problem at the theatre. i hoteh-t— problem at the theatre. i haven't spotted any stories yet ohout— haven't spotted any stories yet ohout geothe— haven't spotted any stories yet about people turning up the about people turning up to the ortho— about people turning up to the ohero—ot- about people turning up to the ohero—ot ret- about people turning up to the| opera _of red wine opera with a bottle of red wine hitteh— opera with a bottle of red wine hitteh h— opera with a bottle of red wine hidden in their— opera with a bottle of red wine hidden in their bag and the urge to-hizet-e— hidden in their bag and the urge to-bizet's carmen- hidden in their bag and the urge to bizet's carmen and to knock out bizet's carmen and mothe—tor- maybe it's our fault for ehomgihg— maybe it's our fault for changing kind maybe it's our fault for- changing-kindlmusicals changing the kind of musicals thot— changing the kind of musicals thot-theee- changing the kind of musicals that-these days.- changing the kind of musicals that these days. we are that we make these days. we are so that we make these days. we are eo ueet— that we make these days. we are so used-jukebox— that we make these days. we are so used jukebox musicals so used to jukebox musicals where— so used to jukebox musicals where they— so used to jukebox musicals where they deliberately pick eohge— where they deliberately pick eomge thot— where they deliberately pick songs that - love - where they deliberately pick songs that love to sing songs that people love to sing otohg— songs that people love to sing otongl— songs that people love to sing otohgl. hut— songs that people love to sing along . but wouldn't you think along to. but wouldn't you think ohout— along to. but wouldn't you thinki ohout—everyone about the enjoyment of everyone etee— about the enjoyment of everyone etee-tout— about the enjoyment of everyone etee-tout tou- about the enjoyment of everyone else you? you certainly else sat near you? you certainly wouit—iite- else sat near you? you certainly would—like-now.| would if you sing like me now. hehotiour— would if you sing like me now. behaviour at— would if you sing like me now. behaviour at some— would if you sing like me now. behaviour at some stand up gigs, i've behaviour at some stand up gigs, the hotter— behaviour at some stand up gigs, i've noticed has— behaviour at some stand up gigs, i've noticed has got— behaviour at some stand up gigs,

i've noticed has got worse. some gigs— i've noticed has got worse. some gige-hormoi— i've noticed has got worse. some gigs normal audience gigs even normal audience memehre— gigs even normal audience memehre oet— gigs even normal audience members act like they're in a hen— members act like they're in a hen-.— members act like they're in a heh-. by— members act like they're in a heh-. by the- members act like they're in a. heh-. by the-ore hen to induce. by the way, are our-hretotor- hen to induce. by the way, are our-pretotor .- hen to induce. by the way, are our predator. there is our natural predator. there is nothing— our natural predator. there is nothing moe— our natural predator. there is nothing more worrying than woitihg— nothing more worrying than woitihg-oht- nothing more worrying than walking and seeing walking on stage and seeing an i—hiote— walking on stage and seeing an i—hiote-oht- walking on stage and seeing an l—plate-and some- walking on stage and seeing an l—plate and some of l—plate l—plates and some of them— l—plate l—plates and some of them toot— l—plate l—plates and some of them look like— l—plate l—plates and some of them look like they could sit there— them look like they could sit there advanced.— them look like they could sit there advanced. and that's a oomptimenh— there advanced. and that's a- compliment-commented compliment. now i've commented to—ohoutl to some other comedians about umuiw— unruly audiences, saying, i bet thew— unruly audiences, saying, i bet they wouith-t— unruly audiences, saying, i bet they wouldn't act— unruly audiences, saying, i bet they wouldn't act like that if they— they wouldn't act like that if thew-going— they wouldn't act like that if. they-going-cinema. they were going to the cinema. aho— they were going to the cinema. who the— they were going to the cinema. and the other— they were going to the cinema. and the other comedians point out-muet— and the other comedians point out-must have- and the other comedians point out must have been out that it must have been a tong—heehl out that it must have been a. tong—heemlthe long time since i've been to the cinema _ are filled i cinema because they are filled with—phoheel with people on their phones eotihg— with people on their phones eating—course. with people on their phones. eating—course meal eating their three course meal white— eating their three course meal white-ott— eating their three course meal white-oii-wow- while talking all the way through— while talking all the way through _and. while talking all the way. through _and that's through the film. and that's time— through the film. and that's the when— through the film. and that's fine when you're doing that . sat fine when you're doing that. sat in fine when you're doing that. sat h—owm— fine when you're doing that. sat in _own netflix- in front of your own netflix turihg— in front of your own netflix outing—hut- in front of your own netflix- during—but-that during lockdown. but now thati we're—multiplex we're back out in the multiplex , we ehouit— we're back out in the multiplex , we should considerate , we should be more considerate ogoih— , we should be more considerate ogoih .— , we should be more considerate ogoih . ie— , we should be more considerate ogoih . ie thie— , we should be more considerate again. isthis-we- again. is this because we weeht— again. is this because we weren't sociable for a while? i ite— weren't sociable for a while? i mean, it's impacted my ability to-toit.— mean, it's impacted my ability to-talklhave- mean, it's impacted my ability. to _talklhave awkward to do small talk. i have awkward eiieheee—out- silences before blurting out i tite— silences before blurting out i iite stor— silences before blurting out i like star wars— silences before blurting out i like star wars and then going off like star wars and then going ott to— like star wars and then going ott to get— like star wars and then going off to get another drink. teeemtiw— off to get another drink. recently heard how british recently we heard how british holidaymakers— recently we heard how british holidaymakers spain could holidaymakers in spain could tote— holidaymakers in spain could toee heoe— holidaymakers in spain could face £688 fines— holidaymakers in spain could face £688 fines after the costa del face £688 fines after the costa tei eot— face £688 fines after the costa tei sot hoe— face £688 fines after the costa del sol has been— face £688 fines after the costa del sol has been cracking down on etog— del sol has been cracking down on etog parties-_ del sol has been cracking down on stag parties. new rules imeiute— on stag parties. new rules iheiute o— on stag parties. new rules include a ban— on stag parties. new rules include a ban on underwear and i

hope— include a ban on underwear and i hope they— include a ban on underwear and i hope they exptoim— include a ban on underwear and i hope they explain that that means showing it, not wearing it . so— means showing it, not wearing it . so thiht— means showing it, not wearing it . so think about— means showing it, not wearing it . so think about that. che. " . so think about that. our tehotiour— . so think about that. our behaviour is— . so think about that. our behaviour is so— . so think about that. our behaviour is so bad. . so think about that. che. " erhr: other behaviour is so bad. other countries are erhr: other countries are bringing irrehr: other countries are bringing in irer: other countries are bringing in new ruiee— countries are bringing in new ruiee to— countries are bringing in new rules to counter— countries are bringing in new rules to counter it. but has there— rules to counter it. but has there actually— rules to counter it. but has there actually been a decline in there actually been a decline in the etohtort— there actually been a decline in the standard of— there actually been a decline in the standard of behaviour or am i the standard of behaviour or am i eimpiw— the standard of behaviour or am i simply getting— the standard of behaviour or am i simply getting older and moohihg— i simply getting older and moaning more? i can't blame that on moaning more? i can't blame that oh-ioettowhe— moaning more? i can't blame that oh-ioettowhe .— moaning more? i can't blame that on-lockdowns . so— moaning more? i can't blame that on lockdowns . so what do you on the lockdowns. so what do you thiht— on the lockdowns. so what do you thiht e— on the lockdowns. so what do you thiht e ho— on the lockdowns. so what do you thiht e to you— on the lockdowns. so what do you think ? do you agree— on the lockdowns. so what do you think ? do you agree or disagree? think? do you agree or disagree? gb think? do you agree or disagree? oh newe— think? do you agree or disagree? oh hewe ot— think? do you agree or disagree? gb news at gbnews.uk and i'll get your— gb news at gbnews.uk and i'll get your emoiie— gb news at gbnews.uk and i'll get your emails after the break by reoetihg— get your emails after the break by reoetihg to— get your emails after the break by reacting to my— get your emails after the break by reacting to my take at ten tonight,— by reacting to my take at ten tohight, ite— by reacting to my take at ten tonight, it's gb— by reacting to my take at ten tonight, it's gb news senior poiitieoi— tonight, it's gb news senior political commentator and fleet sheet— political commentator and fleet sheet iegeht— political commentator and fleet street legend nigel nelson, roumoiiet— street legend nigel nelson, journalist and— street legend nigel nelson, journalist and broadcaster linda dougie— journalist and broadcaster linda dougie beattie_ journalist and broadcaster linda dougie beattie and radio legend hei— dougie beattie and radio legend heii tot— dougie beattie and radio legend heii tot .— dougie beattie and radio legend heii tot . eo— dougie beattie and radio legend neil fox . so we'll— dougie beattie and radio legend neil fox . so we'll start. neil, neil fox. so we'll start. neil, do neil fox. so we'll start. neil, to you— neil fox. so we'll start. neil, to you hote— neil fox. so we'll start. neil, do you have you— neil fox. so we'll start. neil, do you have you noticed the uieete— do you have you noticed the audiences are— do you have you noticed the audiences are getting a little ieee— audiences are getting a little ieee eoew— audiences are getting a little ieee eoew to— audiences are getting a little less easy to control ? �*hfthrzicc less easy to control? well, i thought— less easy to control? well, i thought your monologue was interesting because there are lots more jukebox musicals , lots more jukebox musicals, close inverted commas, being made now, which is in a way , an made now, which is in a way, an easy way to fill up theatres

songs. so so you go along knowing exactly what kind of songs you're going to get, whether it's grease or, you know , there are so many out there now, and this is obviously one of bodyguard turn great of them. bodyguard turn great movies know all the movies where we know all the songs a stage adaptation. songs into a stage adaptation. the hard thing is, of course, we know songs . we've heard know the songs. we've heard them all radio. play them on all on the radio. i play them on the radio, people do. and people know along and want know how to sing along and want to and that's part to sing along. and that's part of chosen to of the reason they're chosen to be in those musicals. so it's quite i can slightly sympathise on the other hand, it must be a real pain in the rear end if you're there enjoying some, you know, amazing singer do i will always you and got always love you and you got someone you doesn't someone behind you who doesn't sound good trying to warble sound that good trying to warble away their version. away and give it their version. and want to go. and you'd probably want to go. please, quiet. we're trying to watch it keeps going, i watch. but if it keeps going, i can understand. i mean, this turned a proper fight, turned into a proper fight, isn't full on fight where isn't it? a full on fight where the to court the bouncers needed to be court security and it all gets completely out of hand and then the show how tragic. now the show stops. how tragic. now there in all these there are signs in all these theatres saying, please don't

sing along, which seems slightly insane. i mean, obviously with stuff like, you know, phantom or les mis , much harder to les mis, it's much harder to sing along when all the sing along when you know all the words. easier. yeah, words. it is a lot easier. yeah, but i people just need to but i mean, people just need to shut up and have some respect also the people who are on also for the people who are on stage. you've money go stage. you've paid money to go and musicals out and see. there are musicals out there you sing there designed for you to sing along or movie versions where the words come up on screen, the words come up on the screen, 60 that or go do karaoke. 60 do that or go do karaoke. don't do in the theatre. yeah. even though i might know all the words miz, range words to les miz, it's the range . that's why can't sing along . that's why i can't sing along ._nnrg,_ . that's why i can't sing along .—iihto, ho- . that's why i can't sing along .-linda, do you- . that's why i can't sing alongi .-linda, do you think . high note linda, do you think . am— . high note linda, do you think . am i— . high note linda, do you think . am i-heihg— . high note linda, do you think . am i-being an— . high note linda, do you think . am i being an old . am i just being an old fashioned— . am i just being an old fashioned person who moans about thihge— fashioned person who moans about thihge-e— fashioned person who moans about thihge-e oi— fashioned person who moans about things-? or-actuallyl things more? or do you actually thiht— things more? or do you actually thiht-our— things more? or do you actually think-our ability— things more? or do you actually think-our ability to- things more? or do you actually think our ability to behave think that our ability to behave with— think that our ability to behave with other— think that our ability to behave with other people— think that our ability to behave with other people around us has been— with other people around us has teen—aho— with other people around us has been _and .that. with other people around us has. been _and .that the been impacted? and was that the ioettowm— been impacted? and was that the lockdown?_ been - lockdown? i think it's been impoetet— lockdown? i think it's been impoetet by— lockdown? i think it's been impacted by lockdown , but i also impacted by lockdown, but i also thiht— impacted by lockdown, but i also thiht ite— impacted by lockdown, but i also think it's been— impacted by lockdown, but i also think it's been impacted by the eoeietw— think it's been impacted by the eoeietw h— think it's been impacted by the society in which— think it's been impacted by the society in which we live right ami— society in which we live right amt i— society in which we live right now. and i think- society in which we live right now. and i think in- society in which we live right now. i now. and i think in that respect, this story is connected to two other stories we've we've mentioned tonight. and it's about general behaviour in society now at the end of the

day, it's a matter of common sense. you know , that there's sense. you know, that there's a musical on or some kind of performance that you can sing along . you know what they're along. you know what they're likely to be. you go along and when it comes to the main number, when you're supposed to join but let's join in, you join in. but let's be really, really clear about what happened . and it was at the what happened. and it was at the manchester palace theatre . this manchester palace theatre. this was unprecedented level of was an unprecedented level of violence that was so extreme that the police had to be called not just internal security , the not just internal security, the police. things get to police. now, when things get to that level, i think they have gone too far. these people that gone too far. these people that go along and sometimes i've been to performances where i where i might have gone and joined in, that's all fine. might have, but might have doddie weir there. does that mean you did, didn't you-7— does that mean you did, didn't you? thot— does that mean you did, didn't you? ihot oe— does that mean you did, didn't you? that was you— does that mean you did, didn't you? that was you in manchester, weht— you? that was you in manchester, wemt ite— you? that was you in manchester, wasn't it? come— you? that was you in manchester, wasn't it? come on. _ you? that was you in manchester, wasn't it? come on. \rr:it you? that was you in manchester, wasn't it? come on. \r:it wasn't it? come on. no, no, no, hut— wasn't it? come on. no, no, no, no. but i think these people do not . who is? they not not do. who is? they do not respect the performer. right. who works hard at delivering something worthwhile for money. they do not respect the theatre

staff . i have a child that works staff. i have a child that works in the theatre and i know that this is the case and they do not respect other members of the audience which are trying to listen to the performance. now at the manchester palace theatre. whole performance theatre. that whole performance had to end ten minutes early. and the biggest, the big show number, the showstopper, couldn't even be performed because of these members in the audience. is audience. now, maybe that is because of lockdown. i'm not so interested in why it's happening. just interested happening. i'm just interested in the fact that it should stop and actually, while i'm on the subject , i and actually, while i'm on the subject, i had another thing. yes when i see people like i think there were two loose women commentators who who mentioned that they were vanessa feltz was one. and there was another one. alison hammond, alison hammond who said, well, i'm going to stop these shows. stop going to these shows. good, because that would be a good idea, because what you don't want is people getting onto twitter grandstanding and twitter and grandstanding and making a meal out of this whole predicament. as i said earlier, it's common sense. and those people shouldn't be building their feed and building

their twitter feed and building up to a twitter storm by saying , actually, it's all fine. everyone should be sing along. and want to go to because and i want to go to because i think that's really unfair. and they're self validating. nigel, does this come down- they're self validating. nigel, does this come down to- r:eh g nigel, does this come down to some sort of entitlement— does this come down to some sort of entitlement ,_ does this come down to some sort of entitlement , the— does this come down to some sort of entitlement , the idea that of entitlement, the idea that it— of entitlement, the idea that even if someone— of entitlement, the idea that even if someone says , as neil even if someone says, as neil eotihg— even if someone says, as neil was saying, would— even if someone says, as neil was saying, would you mind ehuehhg— shushing, i'm trying to watch the—peopie- shushing, i'm trying to watch the—people feeli shushing, i'm trying to watch. the—people feel so the show, some people feel so ehtitiet— the show, some people feel so ehtitiet to— the show, some people feel so entitled to carry— the show, some people feel so entitled to carry on and then thot-e— entitled to carry on and then thot-e-the— entitled to carry on and then that's-the fight- entitled to carry on and then that's the fight start . that's when the fight start. heir. — that's when the fight start. heir. _peopie— that's when the fight start. well, - people are - that's when the fight start. well, _people are just. that's when the fight start. - well,-pe0ple are just plain well, some people are just plain rude and think that whatever rude and i think that whatever happened there is probably got more to do with drink being taken than some kind of lockdown hangoven taken than some kind of lockdown hangover. and obviously, if you go to the theatre and you're watching, watching people perform, the last thing you're meant to do is interrupt them while they're doing it. it was it was perfectly clear there were signs at the at the were signs up at the at the theatre saying, saying don't , theatre saying, saying don't, don't along, please, please don't sing along, please, please don't sing along, please, please don't along we've don't sing along because we've got stars here who will do it for you . so it just seems to me for you. so it just seems to me that it's nothing to do with lockdown . i do think behaviour lockdown. i do think behaviour is improved over the

is actually improved over the last 20 or 30 years. certainly on football terraces it has so it's just a case of somebody here probably entitled, as you say, steve kyiv, who was who was just being plain thoughtless. you know, you mentioned alcohol and you know, you mentioned alcohol oht thot-e— you know, you mentioned alcohol and that's really— you know, you mentioned alcohol and that's really interesting heuee— and that's really interesting because someone was saying to me reeemtiw— because someone was saying to me reeehtiw the— because someone was saying to me reeehtiw the-ot— because someone was saying to me recently the of alcohol in recently the price of alcohol in the-how— recently the price of alcohol in the-how .— recently the price of alcohol in the-now , like- recently the price of alcohol in the-now , like £20- recently the price of alcohol in the now , like £20 for the theatre now, like £20 for a gioee— the theatre now, like £20 for a gioeelwihe— the theatre now, like £20 for a glass-wine means- the theatre now, like £20 for a glass wine means that people glass of wine means that people pie—toot.— glass of wine means that people pre—ioot. i— glass of wine means that people pre—load. i believe— glass of wine means that people pre—load. i believe , is the pre—load. i believe, is the moemt— pre—load. i believe, is the motem-i- pre—load. i believe, is the modern-i mean. pre—load. i believe, is the modern i mean , pre—load. i believe, is the. modern-i mean , not pre—load. i believe, is the- modern-i mean , not that modern phrase. i mean, not that im— modern phrase. i mean, not that i'm-you— modern phrase. i mean, not that i'm-you ot— modern phrase. i mean, not that i'm you of pre—loading, i'm accusing you of pre—loading, rup— i'm accusing you of pre—loading, hut, you— i'm accusing you of pre—loading, put, you thow,— i'm accusing you of pre—loading, but, you know, is— i'm accusing you of pre—loading, but, you know, is that part of the— but, you know, is that part of the prohieme— but, you know, is that part of the problem? people turn up to the problem? people turn up to the—teth- the problem? people turn up to the—heir, yes-l the problem? people turn up to the—heir, wee. ii the theatre drunk? well, yes. i meoh-peopie- the theatre drunk? well, yes. i mean-people turn- the theatre drunk? well, yes. i mean people turn up to mean i mean, people turn up to all mean i mean, people turn up to or eorte— mean i mean, people turn up to or eorte ot— mean i mean, people turn up to all sorts of places— mean i mean, people turn up to all sorts of places drunk heuee— all sorts of places drunk because the— all sorts of places drunk because the because the alcohol is because the because the alcohol ie eo— because the because the alcohol ie eo epeeie— because the because the alcohol is so expensive . _ because the because the alcohol is so expensive . rzi; because the because the alcohol is so expensive . rzi is so expensive. but either way, i think you can blame the drink rather than than some kind of locked down lockdown problem that we've all lost our manners because we were locked up for so long. yeah. in fact, just because i have three kids who have gone 21 down to 16, the term prying is anyone's got teenage kids? no, we're going out on a bit of a pre dad. what

does that mean? it means i'm going drink alcohol, going to drink your alcohol, dad, because cheap and dad, because it's cheap and free. when i've got ratted, free. then when i've got ratted, then we'll out and we'll buy then we'll go out and we'll buy one the so i can one drink at the pub. so i can imagine do pre a lot and imagine people do pre a lot and they've gone off to the manchester here and i'll always love out of control love you just got out of control and i'm sorry for with it and i'm sorry for that with it all around right up we all around right coming up we get papers at 1030 sharp get the papers at 1030 sharp with full panel reaction. but first, i'll be speaking- with full panel reaction. but first, i'll be speaking to- first, i'll be speaking to the tort— first, i'll be speaking to the tory iegeht— first, i'll be speaking to the tory legend ann— first, i'll be speaking to the tory legend ann widdecombe about tory legend aim widdecombe about the tory legend ann widdecombe about the-horgoret— tory legend ann widdecombe about the margaret thatcher. the legacy of margaret thatcher. ooh-t— the legacy of margaret thatcher. don't-anywhere— the legacy of margaret thatcher. don't-anywhere .—

welcome back to mark dolan tonight.— welcome back to mark dolan tohight. writh— welcome back to mark dolan tonight. with me, stephen allan . ite— tonight. with me, stephen allan . the time— tonight. with me, stephen allan . the time ow— tonight. with me, stephen allan . it's time now for— tonight. with me, stephen allan . it's time now for the newsmaker- . it's time now for the newsmaker in which we tackle the big newsmaker in which we tackle the hig etoh— newsmaker in which we tackle the hig etorw ot— newsmaker in which we tackle the hig etorw ot the— newsmaker in which we tackle the big story of the day— newsmaker in which we tackle the big story of the day in the eompohw— big story of the day in the eompohwlo— big story of the day in the company a fearless company of a fearless commentator- company of a fearless commentator for yesterday marked ten commentator for yesterday marked teh weore— commentator for yesterday marked teh weore eie— commentator for yesterday marked ten years since the— commentator for yesterday marked ten years since the death of tormer— ten years since the death of former prime— ten years since the death of former prime margaret former prime minister margaret ihotoheu— former prime minister margaret thatcher. _first - former prime minister margaret thatcher. first female thatcher. britain's first female pm thatcher. britain's first female pn poiorieet— thatcher. britain's first female pm polarised opinion sweeping up miiiiohe— pm polarised opinion sweeping up miiiiome ot— pm polarised opinion sweeping up millions of loyal— pm polarised opinion sweeping up millions of loyal admirers,

mohiiieihg— millions of loyal admirers, mobilising throngs of adversaries- mobilising throngs of adversaries and even being heetowet— adversaries and even being bestowed with— adversaries and even being bestowed with her own ism, which mohw— bestowed with her own ism, which mohw poiitiooe— bestowed with her own ism, which many politicos follow as a goepei— many politicos follow as a goepei .— many politicos follow as a goepei . io— many politicos follow as a gospel. to this- many politicos follow as a gospel . to this day, baroness gospel. to this day, baroness ihotoher— gospel. to this day, baroness thatcher won— gospel. to this day, baroness thatcher won three general eieotiohe— thatcher won three general elections and— thatcher won three general elections and served for 18 weoe— elections and served for 18 weoe the— elections and served for 18 years, the longest serving pm of the 20th— years, the longest serving pm of the 20th century. _ years, the longest serving pm of the 20th century. so what is the iegoow— the 20th century. so what is the tegoow ot— the 20th century. so what is the tegoow ot the— the 20th century. so what is the legacy of the iron— the 20th century. so what is the legacy of the iron lady ? a legacy of the iron lady? a teoote — legacy of the iron lady? a decade on, let's ask someone who thew— decade on, let's ask someone who thew her.— decade on, let's ask someone who thew her. im— decade on, let's ask someone who knew her. i'm delighted to be toihet— knew her. i'm delighted to be roihet ow— knew her. i'm delighted to be roihet by— knew her. i'm delighted to be joined now by former conservative - joined now by former conservative minister and ooiieogue— conservative minister and colleague of— conservative minister and colleague of the iron lady, ann witteoomhe— colleague of the iron lady, ann widdecombe joins— colleague of the iron lady, ann widdecombe joins me. so what wouit— widdecombe joins me. so what wouit wou— widdecombe joins me. so what wouit wou eow— widdecombe joins me. so what would you say is— widdecombe joins me. so what would you say is lady thatcher's iegoow— would you say is lady thatcher's tegoow .— would you say is lady thatcher's tegoow . wett— would you say is lady thatcher's legacy . well, the— would you say is lady thatcher's legacy . well, the legacy was legacy. well, the legacy was thot— legacy. well, the legacy was hot ehe— legacy. well, the legacy was that she turned— legacy. well, the legacy was that she turned the country orourt— that she turned the country around completely . that she turned the country around completely. e that she turned the country around completely . e around completely. it was known as around completely. it was known to the— around completely. it was known as the sick man of europe when she overin as the sick man of europe when she over in 79. by the time she took over in 79. by the time she took over in 79. by the time she was deposed in 1990, we were a hive of industry, a hive of enterprise . we were the envy of enterprise. we were the envy of the western world. but it wasn't only at home. she and reagan and gorbachev , between them, brought gorbachev, between them, brought about the end of the cold war and which had been thought

impossible only a few years earlier. and the great thing about thatcher was she set out her stall. she said, this is what i'm going to do. and then she did it. and then she did it. and i think that the crucial and i think that is the crucial point . now, she and i think that is the crucial point. now, she had big majorities, which enabled her to do things . but there have do those things. but there have been prime ministers since with big majorities who have wasted them . what were your experiences them. what were your experiences of them. what were your experiences ot here — them. what were your experiences ot here i— them. what were your experiences ot here i come— them. what were your experiences of her? i came into— what were your experiences of her? , of her? i came into parliament in 1987, so i really only had three years of her as prime minister. and then it was after that that i served as a minister throughout the entire major administration . torfaen and administration. torfaen and therefore i didn't work with her in government. so i had no direct experience of her in government. but what i did have obviously, was experience of her as a leader , as a colleague. she as a leader, as a colleague. she was always personally very kind but very, very focussed on what she was doing. and in the end i

think that was her undoing because she believed the poll tax, for example , to be tax, for example, to be absolutely right, wouldn't be gainsaid on the issue and stuck to it because it was what she believed in and in the end, that was, i think , her undoing. she was, i think, her undoing. she had got used to carrying people with her. she'd got used to people falling in with her vision . she didn't really handle vision. she didn't really handle it terribly well when suddenly people started going in the opposite direction . did that opposite direction. did that play opposite direction. did that play a part in why she was certainly able to polarise opinion, should we say, as we saw by some of the nation's response when she passed ? well, response when she passed? well, the two different extremes- i 3“ well, the two different extremes of response were _ the two different extremes of response were both present. so do response were both present. so to wou— response were both present. so to wou thiht— response were both present. so do you think that's why she mohoget— do you think that's why she mohoget to— do you think that's why she managed to polarise opinion so muohe — managed to polarise opinion so muohe |thiht— managed to polarise opinion so much? ithink she— managed to polarise opinion so much? i think she polarised opinion simply because she knew what she wanted to do and she did it, as i say, you know, that that actually is rarer than it sounds in politics at and people who agreed with what she was doing obviously thought she was

wonderful . people who did not wonderful. people who did not agree with what she was doing , agree with what she was doing, obviously took the exact opposite line. now, when she came to power, all public utility were delivered through vast state monopolies. she privatised them and then major and blair carried on the privatisation programme. it was so manifestly right. it was an age in which the waitress in the boardroom was just as likely to have shares as the director. she wouldn't have as many, but she'd have shares, she'd have an interest in that company. it was an age in which people started to own their own homes as a matter of course. we forget now that thatcher made that possible through tax relief on mortgages, something we you know , something something we you know, something that happened that we wouldn't dream of now, but that was because she wanted to encourage a trend, an and so it was a complete different country . when complete different country. when she had finished . and i dearly

she had finished. and i dearly wish she'd gone on i supported her in the in the election in which she was deposed. i supported thatcher. i would if i had my time over again, still support thatcher. but she left a tremendous legacy . and of tremendous legacy. and of course, she was the first woman prime minister and she never whinged and never expected any special treatment because she was a woman . does modern day was a woman. does modern day poiitioe— was a woman. does modern day poiitioe hw— was a woman. does modern day poiitioe trw oho— was a woman. does modern day politics try and bring— " does modern day politics try and bring people with— politics try and bring people with them— politics try and bring people with them when they disagree? it's interesting— with them when they disagree? it's interesting that you said the— it's interesting that you said the two— it's interesting that you said the two responses. you agreed the two responses. if you agreed with—hing,- with what she was doing, you totet — with what she was doing, you loved—disagreed. with what she was doing, you loved—disagreed ,| with what she was doing, you loved disagreed , it loved her. if you disagreed, it hoome— loved her. if you disagreed, it became more— loved her. if you disagreed, it became more of— loved her. if you disagreed, it became more of a hate because if we-on from that- became more of a hate because if we-on from that way- became more of a hate because if we on from that way of became more of a hate because if we it on from that way of became more of a hate because if we it, on from that way of became more of a hate because if we it, orn from that way of became more of a hate because if we it, or was m that way of became more of a hate because if we it, or was m th based of became more of a hate because if we it, or was m th based more doing it, or was that based more on doing it, or was that based more om-thot— doing it, or was that based more oh-thot ehe— doing it, or was that based more on-that she had- doing it, or was that based more on that she had the on the fact that she had the majority — on the fact that she had the majority, obviously the majority, she obviously the moioritw— majority, she obviously the majority helped. majority, she obviously the majority helped, e majority, she obviously the majority helped. ’“ti“ majority helped. but then boris had an enormous majority. and what do with it? um blair what did he do with it? um blair had a tremendous majority, but he didn't always do the things that he said he was going to do. um, and i think what there is now is a tendency to want to please people. and of course it

is a simple fact of life, not only a political life, but of life in general . you cannot life in general. you cannot always please people. you are bound to upset some people. now, thatcher didn't care whom she upset as long as she was convinced that what she was doing right. we lack now doing was right. we lack now that sort of conviction politician a politician who will stand up and say this is what i believe, this is what i'm going to do if i can. and that's that. now it's all, you know, a compromise and trying to bring people with you who don't want to be brought with you . to be brought with you. interesting. let's bring in my puhtite— interesting. let's bring in my puhtite oe— interesting. let's bring in my pundits as well— interesting. let's bring in my pundits as well ,_ interesting. let's bring in my pundits as well , because, nigel, pundits as well, because, nigel, i pundits as well, because, nigel, i thow— pundits as well, because, nigel, i thow oe— pundits as well, because, nigel, i thow oe o— pundits as well, because, nigel, i thow oe o oe— pundits as well, because, nigel, i know as a as a— pundits as well, because, nigel, i know as a as a man of poiitioe— i know as a as a man of poiitioe, wou— i know as a as a man of politics, you had interaction . politics, you had interaction. do politics, you had interaction. to wou— politics, you had interaction. do you remember the days of iiorgoret— do you remember the days of margaret thatcher? what's your tote— margaret thatcher? what's your tote oh— margaret thatcher? what's your tote oh thie— margaret thatcher? what's your tote oh thie e— margaret thatcher? what's your take on this ? but— margaret thatcher? what's your take on this ? but that aside, i take on this? but that aside, i thiht— take on this? but that aside, i thiht thot— take on this? but that aside, i think that if— take on this? but that aside, i think that if i— take on this? but that aside, i think that if i was naming the two— think that if i was naming the two greoteet— think that if i was naming the two greatest prime ministers of reoet— two greatest prime ministers of reoet weoe — two greatest prime ministers of recent years, it— two greatest prime ministers of recent years, it would be iiorgoret— recent years, it would be margaret thatcher and tony blair and margaret thatcher and tony blair oht hoth— margaret thatcher and tony blair oht hoth ot— margaret thatcher and tony blair and both of them— margaret thatcher and tony blair and both of them had proper foundations,— and both of them had proper foundations, genuine political phiioeophw— foundations, genuine political

philosophy, which enabled them both— philosophy, which enabled them hoth to— philosophy, which enabled them hoth to wim— philosophy, which enabled them both to win three— philosophy, which enabled them both to win three elections. ami— both to win three elections. ami wohte— both to win three elections. and we've still— both to win three elections. and we've still got- both to win three elections. and we've still got the- both to win three elections. and we've still got the legacy, as ann just mentioned, the legacy of thatcher today privatised public utilities and services that still exists because of margaret thatcher, the comfortably off pay 40% upper rate tax . margaret upper rate tax. margaret thatcher inherited 60% and dropped it down. she got it wrong very badly over the poll tax that she should have realised that that was going to be a complete disaster for and that effectively is what brought her down. but i think by that time, and i'm interested that ann would have voted for her at that last election. by that time, i think she had lost it and she should have followed . and she should have followed. and david cameron's adage that a prime minister goes a bit bit prime minister goes a bit a bit funny after ten years and i'd be interested to get your take on that as well then. ann no, i don't that as well then. ann no, i toh-t thimt— that as well then. ann no, i don't think that— that as well then. ann no, i don't think that prime- ann no, i don't think that prime ministers go don't think that prime ministers 90 a— don't think that prime ministers go o hit— don't think that prime ministers go o hit tumw— don't think that prime ministers go a bit funny after ten years though.— go a bit funny after ten years though. — go a bit funny after ten years though. i— go a bit funny after ten years though. i think— go a bit funny after ten years though. i think it's- go a bit funny after ten years though. e go a bit funny after ten years though. i think it's a very amusing concept. i voted for

her. first of all, i believed in the poll tax. i thought it was perfectly fair system , but it perfectly fair system, but it wasn't sold properly and she didn't really take the trouble to try and sell it properly . to try and sell it properly. there was also a great deal of restlessness at that point on the backbenches, you know, we'd had 11 years and i'd it's easy to forget now. we were actually behind in the opinion polls largely because of the poll tax. and in those days, the conservative party had a tremendous hasn't got it now , tremendous hasn't got it now, had a tremendous survival instinct. and because we were behind in the polls, your she was the greatest prime minister since winston churchill. but so what we were behind in the polls. therefore, we had to take action. and was what the action. and that was what the party sadly did . action. and that was what the party sadly did. but i action. and that was what the party sadly did . but i would party sadly did. but i would have stuck with it because i think she had a few more years to give before it. you used cameron's phrase the prime minister turned funny. cameron's phrase the prime minister turned funny . let's minister turned funny. let's let's think about the modern day

world. then. and ifi let's think about the modern day world. then. and if i could ask for your opinion of what she would make of rishi sunak and possibly johnson. oh i possibly boris johnson. oh i think she'd despair. i think she would think she'd despair. i think she wouit utteriw— think she'd despair. i think she would utterly despair- r: : ” i think she would utterly despair because to her the— would utterly despair because to her the anathema— would utterly despair because to her the anathema would be that you her the anathema would be that wou eow— her the anathema would be that wou eow wou-e— her the anathema would be that you say you're going to do eomethihg— you say you're going to do something and— you say you're going to do something and you don't do it. tou— something and you don't do it. tou thow— something and you don't do it. tou thow-eow— something and you don't do it. you know, say you're going something and you don't do it. yo deliver say you're going something and you don't do it. yo deliver brexit ay you're going something and you don't do it. yo deliver brexit andiu're going something and you don't do it. yo deliver brexit andiu're rwhat? something and you don't do it. yo ddeliver rexit andiu're rwhat? something and you don't do it. yo ddeliver is

this lot, saying, you've got a motoritw. -ore- this lot, saying, you've got a majority. _are you- this lot, saying, you've got a majority. are you doing majority. what are you doing with— majority. what are you doing withle — majority. what are you doing withl? well,— majority. what are you doing withl? well, it's- majority. what are you doing with ? lr�*t�*biee e “tir: with it? well, it's turned to the pundits as well. for more on this, linda , would you or this, linda, would you or rather, what's your thoughts on the in which the legacy is the way in which the legacy is remembered very differently , remembered very differently, polar opposites by two different groups country ? well, of groups in this country? well, of course, would be groups in this country? well, of course,.would be because- course, it would be because there— course, it would be because. there—groupe there are two different groups who— there are two different groups who - affected _ there are two different groups who-affected by- there are two different groups who affected by margaret who are affected by margaret ihotoheu— who are affected by margaret thatcher. clearly. thatcher. very, very clearly. hut— thatcher. very, very clearly. hut whot— thatcher. very, very clearly. but what sometimes say to but what i sometimes say to peopie— but what i sometimes say to peopte ie— but what i sometimes say to peopte ie when— but what i sometimes say to people is when i've looked at documentaries— people is when i've looked at documentaries recently that i've wotohet— documentaries recently that i've watched - margaret - documentaries recently that i've watched margaret thatcher, watched about margaret thatcher, whether— watched about margaret thatcher, whether wou— watched about margaret thatcher, whether wou-oh— watched about margaret thatcher, whether you on that side or whether you are on that side or on thot— whether you are on that side or on hot age,— whether you are on that side or on that side, you— whether you are on that side or on that side, you can't argue with— on that side, you can't argue with her— on that side, you can't argue with her conviction . and it with her conviction. and it comes through— with her conviction. and it comes through when she's talking heoouee— comes through when she's talking heoouee wheh — comes through when she's talking because when she— comes through when she's talking because when she answers gueetiohe— because when she answers gueetiohe ,— because when she answers questions , she's she's questions, she's she's compelling. - questions, she's she's compelling. she resonate thoughte— compelling. she resonate thoughts and— compelling. she resonate thoughts and she engage with the pereoh— thoughts and she engage with the pereoh .— thoughts and she engage with the pereoh . amt— thoughts and she engage with the person . and that— thoughts and she engage with the person . and that really makes a person. and that really makes a big,— person. and that really makes a ug, hig— person. and that really makes a big, big difference. too often theee— big, big difference. too often theee towe— big, big difference. too often theee towe .— big, big difference. too often these days . and— big, big difference. too often these days . and i would these days. and i would oertoihiw— these days. and i would certainly not— these days. and i would certainly not include anne in thie— certainly not include anne in this because— certainly not include anne in this because i— certainly not include anne in this because i think she's very tireot— this because i think she's very tireot ih— this because i think she's very tireot ih oh— this because i think she's very direct in an interview. but peopte— direct in an interview. but peopte-over- direct in an interview. but people over coached and they people are over coached and they give— people are over coached and they give homogenised— people are over coached and they give homogenised and boring answers that— give homogenised and boring answers that the public can't toot— answers that the public can't toot ihto. — answers that the public can't lock into. and— answers that the public can't lock into. and that's a big prohiem — lock into. and that's a big prohiem .— lock into. and that's a big problem . um,— lock into. and that's a big problem . um, fascinating stuff

problem. um, fascinating stuff there— problem. um, fascinating stuff there ie— problem. um, fascinating stuff there ie. so— problem. um, fascinating stuff there is. so actually, if i may inter-eoh— there is. so actually, if i may ihterreot, ot— there is. so actually, if i may interject, at this— there is. so actually, if i may interject, at this point, there is interject, at this point, there ie ohother— interject, at this point, there is another reason for that which is another reason for that which ie thot— is another reason for that which ie thot wheh— is another reason for that which is that when a— is another reason for that which is that when a politician is giving— is that when a politician is giving om— is that when a politician is giving an interview these days, he-e— giving an interview these days, he-e thihtihg— giving an interview these days, he's thinking about what heotiihe— he's thinking about what headline the— he's thinking about what headline the interviewer wants oho— headline the interviewer wants and therefore _ headline the interviewer wants and therefore it— headline the interviewer wants and therefore it isn't always eoew. — and therefore it isn't always eoew. ruet— and therefore it isn't always eoew. ruet to— and therefore it isn't always easy. just to be— and therefore it isn't always easy. just to be blunt, i remember i— easy. just to be blunt, i remember i took a tremendous riet— remember i took a tremendous riet — remember i took a tremendous riet it— remember i took a tremendous risk once. i'd just— remember i took a tremendous risk once. i'd just been oppoihtet— risk once. i'd just been appointed shadow health eeoretorw— appointed shadow health secretary. i'd— appointed shadow health secretary. i'd literally come out— secretary. i'd literally come out ot— secretary. i'd literally come out of william— secretary. i'd literally come out of william haig's office and the preee— out of william haig's office and the press shoved— out of william haig's office and the press shoved a— out of william haig's office and the press shoved a microphone uhter— the press shoved a microphone uhter mw— the press shoved a microphone uhter mw-omt— the press shoved a microphone under my and said, what is under my nose and said, what is wow— under my nose and said, what is wour-poiiowe— under my nose and said, what is your-policy? aho- under my nose and said, what is your policy? and turned your health policy? and i turned rouht— your health policy? and i turned round—haven't- round and i said, i haven't a otue— round and i said, i haven't a otue-i-te- round and i said, i haven't a clue. - i've just- round and i said, i haven't ai clue.-i've just been clue. come on, i've just been oppoihtet— clue. come on, i've just been appointed. haven't a clue. but appointed. i haven't a clue. but i appointed. i haven't a clue. but i-teii— appointed. i haven't a clue. but let wou— appointed. i haven't a clue. but let wou ih— appointed. i haven't a clue. but i-tell you in, you- appointed. i haven't a clue. but i tell you in, you know, i will tell you in, you know, mot— i will tell you in, you know, not too— i will tell you in, you know, not too distant— i will tell you in, you know, not too distant future and i got owow— not too distant future and i got owow with— not too distant future and i got away with that. _ not too distant future and i got away with that. but it's rare. i ohiw— away with that. but it's rare. i ohiw wou— away with that. but it's rare. i ohiw wou oouit— away with that. but it's rare. i only you could get away with it. art— only you could get away with it. art hot-e— only you could get away with it. and that's that's— only you could get away with it. and that's that's probably- only you could get away with it. and that's that's probably what we're thinking. only you could be that direct get away with be that direct and get away with it. very much, ann it. thank you very much, ann widdecombe, tonight's it. thank you very much, ann widdecombinterview tonight's it. thank you very much, ann widdecombinterview. tonight's it. thank you very much, ann widdecomb interview . well,|ht's newsmaker interview. well, coming up, we've got the papers at sharp with full pundit at 1030 sharp with full pundit reaction. plus, find out what led motorists in cardiff to abandon their cars in the road. don't go anywhere. we'll see you

in three. its 10:30 pm, so it must be time for this time for a look at tomorrow morning's newspapers. hot off the press. we'll start with the daily telegraph, which goes with scrap services to cope with strikes. also telling us well—wishers must be quick. the chance to wave at king northern ireland. peace in a fragile in wake of threats, says minister the independent hero pilot must be special case now. former army chief lord dannatt backs our call to block the deportation of afghan who flew with british forces. the mirror goes with hospital trek scandal 999 delays forced 1 in 3 patients to make their own way to a&e . the their own way to a&e. the express front page millions demand keep our banks open. this

is banks betrayal of loyal customers is laid bare in findings that millions prefer deaung findings that millions prefer dealing with someone in person rather than online services . i'm rather than online services. i'm sure that's not the main motivation for the banks. the i pharmacist drafted in to offset hospital strike chaos. the mail tory anger as starmer stands by every word of rishi's ad a story that we were covering earlier on and the daily star boffs warn eti is a prawn , which is scary. eti is a prawn, which is scary. i suppose. space boffins advising alien hunters mission to jupiter reckon that we're looking for something more like a prawn than a green man. and those are the front pages. i'm sure round to that sure we'll get round to that prawn story at prawn related story at some point but i feel we should point, but i feel we should start with a more important point, but i feel we should start wlike more important point, but i feel we should start wlike mo frontportant point, but i feel we should start w like mo front pageit stories like the front page of the scrapping the telegraph gp scrapping services to cope with the strike, and we mentioned the strike, and we mentioned the strike earlier, but this is worrying this neil, is a worrying because this neil, is a life and death situation for those who are in that in the need of care. it is. and you thow— need of care. it is. and you thow, with— need of care. it is. and you know, with - of -

need of care. it is. and you know, with .of things i : rtehti; it is. and you know, with of things to know, with lots of things to ooihoite — know, with lots of things to coincide this— know, with lots of things to coincide this week, a lot of tite— coincide this week, a lot of tite oe— coincide this week, a lot of kids are away— coincide this week, a lot of kids are away school holidays kids are away on school holidays w-as_ kids are away on school holidays -oe weii. — kids are away on school holidays -oe weii. ite- kids are away on school holidays ,-as well. it's the- , of course, as well. it's the toeter—eol , of course, as well. it's thei toeter—eo, wou , of course, as well. it's thei easterit_so, you , of course, as well. it's the easterit might so, you , of course, as well. it's the easterit might be so, you , of course, as well. it's the easterit might be knocks'ou , of course, as well. it's the easterit might be knocks and know, it might be knocks and eoopee— know, it might be knocks and eopee oho— know, it might be knocks and scrapes and-more- know, it might be knocks and scrapes and more trips may scrapes and more more trips may be scrapes and more more trips may he eoeeerw— scrapes and more more trips may he eoeeerw to— scrapes and more more trips may be necessary to the _ scrapes and more more trips may be necessary to the emergency thie— be necessary to the emergency rooms. this is— be necessary to the emergency rooms. this is all— be necessary to the emergency rooms. this is all worrying. and as rooms. this is all worrying. and oe we eoit— rooms. this is all worrying. and as we said earlier— rooms. this is all worrying. and as we said earlier on, when we're discussing— as we said earlier on, when we're discussing it, you just heet— we're discussing it, you just need some heads. now need some cool heads. now iiteroiiw—getl need some cool heads. now. literally—get round literally this week to get round a literally this week to get round o totte— literally this week to get round a table tomorrow.— literally this week to get round a table tomorrow. let's a table tomorrow. and let's etort— a table tomorrow. and let's etort eortihg— a table tomorrow. and let's start sorting this out. let's tott— start sorting this out. let's talk sensibly— start sorting this out. let's talk sensibly to - start sorting this out. let's talk sensibly to these people heoouee— talk sensibly to these people heoouee thew— talk sensibly to these people because they want to heard because they want to be heard oho— because they want to be heard ohe—woht- because they want to be heard. and _want progress and they want they want progress . ae— and they want they want progress . ae higei— and they want they want progress .ae higei oe— and they want they want progress . as nigel was saying earlier ore—woht- . as nigel was saying earlier oh—woht otto- . as nigel was saying earlieri on,_want 35% their on, they don't want 35% their etortihg— on, they don't want 35% their etortihg ot— on, they don't want 35% their etortihg ot o— on, they don't want 35% their starting at a crazy number. what thew— starting at a crazy number. what thew woht— starting at a crazy number. what thew woht ie— starting at a crazy number. what they want is they— starting at a crazy number. what they want is they just want a reoiietio— they want is they just want a realistic—this,- they want is they just want aj realistic_this,.| realistic solution to this, as i thiht— realistic solution to this, as i think everyone— realistic solution to this, as i think everyone who's been ehitihg— think everyone who's been striking-wants- striking recently wants a reoiietio— striking recently wants a realistic solution. it's pretty horo— realistic solution. it's pretty rug-pg- realistic solution. it's pretty hard,-for the- realistic solution. it's pretty- hard,-for the government hard, though, for the government because, - inflation - hard, though, for the government because, inflation is because, you know, inflation is running— because, you know, inflation is running high.— because, you know, inflation is running high. we— because, you know, inflation is running high. we don't have any mohew— running high. we don't have any mohew tre— running high. we don't have any mohew we epeht— running high. we don't have any money. we spent everything turihg—i- money. we spent everything during—i think. money. we spent everything. during—i think the during covid. and i think the hard—so- during covid. and i think the hard—so many- hard thing is for so many people,— hard thing is for so many people, we always come back to this. — people, we always come back to mil-com,— people, we always come back to this-covid, money- people, we always come back to this. covid, money was this. during covid, money was just— this. during covid, money was just there.— this. during covid, money was just mere. we— this. during covid, money was just there. we just print more. let-s— just there. we just print more. lem-away- just there. we just print more. let's away money. let's just give away money. it seemed— seemed to be like, just just give—meneyl seemed to be like, just just. give—money es seemed to be like, just just- eive—meney as we give away as much money as we need. — give away as much money as we need. -eu way-of. need. just buy our way out of ems.— need. just buy our way out of ems-_people- need. just buy our way out of. ems-peopte-geing, this. and now people are going, wen,— this. and now people are going, wee—seme- this. and now people are going, well,_some of- this. and now people are going,| well,_some of that? well, can we have some of that? yeah— well, can we have some of that? yeah yeah.— well, can we have some of that? yeah yeah. n0,— well, can we have some of that? yeah yeah. no, really, you can

understand— yeah yeah. no, really, you cani understand _well, yeah yeah. no, really, you cani undswe and _well, yeah yeah. no, really, you cani undswe have—well, yeah yeah. no, really, you can undswe have something? well, yeah yeah. no, really, you can undswe have something? because yeah yeah. no, really, you can undsiinflation;omething? because yeah yeah. no, really, you can undsiinflation raginging? because yeah yeah. no, really, you can undsiinflation raginging? iis, ause with inflation raging as it is, you— with inflation raging as it is,j you—26, you know, they're saying 26, they-re— you know, they're saying 26, they're realistically on they're down. realistically on where— they're down. realistically on where-many- they're down. realistically on where many years they're down. realistically on. where-many years ago they're down. realistically on- where-many years ago . where they were many years ago. it's where they were many years ago. us a— where they were many years ago. us a problem.— where they were many years ago. it's a problem. changed our expectation— it's a problem. changed our expectation of— it's a problem. changed our expectation of how free money is , how— expectation of how free money is , how freew— expectation of how free money is , how freely available it is. unde— , how freely available it is. unee 0h,— , how freely available it is. linda oh, yeah,— , how freely available it is. linda oh, yeah, that's- linda oh, yeah, that's definitely you at definitely true. if you look at my perems— definitely true. if you look at my parents generation- 3:1; " chic; if you look at my parents generation you my parents generation and you me— my parents generation and you med-mm— my parents generation and you med-mm ee— my parents generation and you med-mm so buy- my parents generation and you had kyiv to buy things, had to save kyiv to buy things, we've moved so— had to save kyiv to buy things, we've moved so far away from mm. — we've moved so far away from mm. ms— we've moved so far away from that. it's really— we've moved so far away from that. it's really incredible. i mme— that. it's really incredible. i mm mm— that. it's really incredible. i think that people do expect to get things— think that people do expect to get mmgs eee— think that people do expect to get things too easily these days- — get things too easily these days- mey— get things too easily these days. they don't expect to save me— days. they don't expect to save me they— days. they don't expect to save me they eeme— days. they don't expect to save and they don't expect to have to cut and they don't expect to have to em beek— and they don't expect to have to set back .— and they don't expect to have to cut back . having— and they don't expect to have to cut back . having said that, cut back. having said that, wages— cut back. having said that, wages m— cut back. having said that, wages in certain essential secess— wages in certain essential seeaas mave— wages in certain essential sectors have fallen way behind the level— sectors have fallen way behind the levee af— sectors have fallen way behind the level of inflation and we mave— the level of inflation and we have aa— the level of inflation and we have as ea— the level of inflation and we have to do something about that. as .— have to do something about that. as . sam— have to do something about that. as i said earlier,— have to do something about that. as i said earlier, i— have to do something about that. as i said earlier, i think the whale— as i said earlier, i think the whale key— as i said earlier, i think the whole key here— as i said earlier, i think the whole key here is the lack of economic growth— whole key here is the lack of economic growth . that's what's economic growth. that's what's fundamentally— economic growth. that's what's fundamentally causing a problem in fundamentally causing a problem m ems— fundamentally causing a problem m ems seamm — fundamentally causing a problem in this country. and that's a realm,— in this country. and that's a aeauy, ream— in this country. and that's a really, really hard thing to do, wmem— really, really hard thing to do, which as— really, really hard thing to do, which is which— really, really hard thing to do, which is which is— really, really hard thing to do, which is which is the long term memem. — which is which is the long term mamem. ama— which is which is the long term problem. and-first- which is which is the long term problem. ': �*" g problem. and the first thing you've deal with is you've got to deal with is inflation. and that is inflation. inflation and that is what sparking these what is sparking all these pay claims. inflation in first claims. so inflation in first growth later . and you can growth later. and you can understand what the doctors are

doing that if you if you're going go on strike, if you going to go on strike, if you believe to strike, believe in the right to strike, you've got to make the strike work . and i the headline work. and i think the headline here, i mean , there's also one here, i mean, there's also one in the i about pharmacy that's being drafted into deal with it matron's coming in the telegraph is talking about gps. we are all going to struggle to get medical care this coming week. exactly and i think you're right. you've got and i think you're right. you've eee aa— and i think you're right. you've got to concentrate _ and i think you're right. you've got to concentrate late on the game— got to concentrate late on the game m— got to concentrate late on the game is mama— got to concentrate late on the game m mama ,— got to concentrate late on the game in hand , as— got to concentrate late on the game in hand , as it were. and game in hand, as it were. and me— game in hand, as it were. and the game— game in hand, as it were. and me game as— game in hand, as it were. and me game as .— game in hand, as it were. and the point is, i think you've got to the point is, i think you've got a ge— the point is, i think you've got as get eps— the point is, i think you've got to get gps really,— the point is, i think you've got to get gps really, really lined up sa— to get gps really, really lined up so meg— to get gps really, really lined up so meg gea— to get gps really, really lined up so they deal with things emeemvem. — up so they deal with things effectively. - a - up so they deal with things effectively. a routine effectively. i had a routine appeasement.— effectively. i had a routine appointment. well didn't appointment. well i didn't because— appointment. well i didn't because actually appointment. well i didn't- because-actually get because i couldn't actually get the because i couldn't actually get me—maae- because i couldn't actually get the—made and. because i couldn't actually get. the—made and that's the appointment made and that's presuming— the appointment made and that's presuming because of this, you got presuming because of this, you gee—ems— presuming because of this, you gee—ems unea- presuming because of this, you got-gps lined up.- got to get the gps lined up. mue— got to get the gps lined up. mauve-ae— got to get the gps lined up. vau-ve-aa gea— got to get the gps lined up. you've to get the you've got to get the pharmacists- you've got to get the pharmacists that pharmacists lined up so that meg— pharmacists lined up so that meg-saver— pharmacists lined up so that they-cover-gaps- pharmacists lined up so that they cover gaps in the they can cover the gaps in the same— they can cover the gaps in the same-fea— they can cover the gaps in the time _for people - they can cover the gaps in the time _for people to - they can cover the gaps in the time for people to get time it takes for people to get round— time it takes for people to get round negotiating table . but round the negotiating table. but by round the negotiating table. but bar-wave— round the negotiating table. but bv-wavu i_ round the negotiating table. but say-way, . gem-a— round the negotiating table. but by way, i don't think by the way, i don't think economic growth is that it's use— economic growth is that it's use suaaemu— economic growth is that it's just suddenly slowed down. i amm— just suddenly slowed down. i mmk mae— just suddenly slowed down. i think that goes— just suddenly slowed down. i think that goes back ten years. i think that goes back ten years. . amm— think that goes back ten years. i think economic— think that goes back ten years. i think economic growth goes way

bask,— i think economic growth goes way bask, way— i think economic growth goes way back, way before _ i think economic growth goes way back, way before we've seen mflauam— back, way before we've seen inflation climb.— back, way before we've seen inflation climb. and it's a big problem — inflation climb. and it's a big problem as— inflation climb. and it's a big problem. it does.— inflation climb. and it's a big problem. it does. i mean , the problem. it does. i mean, the impass— problem. it does. i mean, the tmpaet at— problem. it does. i mean, the impact of having— problem. it does. i mean, the impact of having such low mtetest— impact of having such low interest rates— impact of having such low interest rates kind of hid the mattem. — interest rates kind of hid the problem. yeah,— interest rates kind of hid the problem. yeah, it did. had the mattem. — problem. yeah, it did. had the problem. yeah.— problem. yeah, it did. had the problem. yeah. and i think i met— problem. yeah. and i think i think-steve's- problem. yeah. and i think i think steve's point about think that steve's point about the tast— think that steve's point about the fact that— think that steve's point about the fact that erg— think that steve's point about the fact that erg rishi sunak spent— the fact that erg rishi sunak sgemt sa— the fact that erg rishi sunak spent so must— the fact that erg rishi sunak spent so much money as chancellor— spent so much money as chancellor during covid, we did tegm— chancellor during covid, we did tegm ta— chancellor during covid, we did tegm to mm— chancellor during covid, we did begin to think there's plenty of tree— begin to think there's plenty of tee tast— begin to think there's plenty of free dosh out— begin to think there's plenty of free dosh out there they can gue— free dosh out there they can gtve aut. — free dosh out there they can gtue aut. — free dosh out there they can gtue aut. .— free dosh out there they can give out. i mean,- free dosh out there they can give out. f give out. i mean, curiously, what rishi sunak did was what john mcdonnell would have done had he become chancellor. yeah, he would have played— had he become chancellor. yeah, he would have played very- he would have played very ttttetemtty— he would have played very differently-the - he would have played very differently the press, differently in the press, uauttm-t— wouldn't it? i suppose there is also fact that normally when also the fact that normally when you do surveys of how much you support industrial action, it's quite how much quite surprising how much support all the industrial action have had action seems to have had according and who according to the polls, and who knows how much we trust them. but part because but in part is that because normally you'd have normally during this you'd have to on what inflation is to explain on what inflation is and impacting what and how it's impacting what you're earning. whereas right now, understands we do. now, everyone understands we do. and of course everyone's tttmgmg— and of course everyone's bringing up— and of course everyone's bringing up go back to 2008. teat— bringing up go back to 2008. teat at— bringing up go back to 2008. teat at that— bringing up go back to 2008. look at that last— bringing up go back to 2008. look at that last big recession. teat— look at that last big recession. teat tau— look at that last big recession. teat tau taug— look at that last big recession. look how long 15— look at that last big recession. look how long 15 years now of

austetttu— look how long 15 years now of austerity where _ look how long 15 years now of austerity where people haven't tat— austerity where people haven't tat a— austerity where people haven't tat a team— austerity where people haven't had a really good— austerity where people haven't had a really good wage rises and you had a really good wage rises and you mew,— had a really good wage rises and you mam ts— had a really good wage rises and you know, 15 years— had a really good wage rises and you know, 15 years is a hell of attme— you know, 15 years is a hell of attme. m— you know, 15 years is a hell of attme. tt gau— you know, 15 years is a hell of a time. if you have— you know, 15 years is a hell of a time. if you have little bit a time. if you have a little bit of a time. if you have a little bit at tmtattam— a time. if you have a little bit of inflation every— a time. if you have a little bit of inflation every and then of inflation every year and then eemgaumt— of inflation every year and then eamgeumt tt— of inflation every year and then compound it over— of inflation every year and then compound it over 15 years, you do compound it over 15 years, you to see— compound it over 15 years, you to uttere— compound it over 15 years, you do see where they've come up utm— do see where they've come up uttt that— do see where they've come up with that figure— do see where they've come up with that figure saying, we're zeta— with that figure saying, we're zeta-att- — with that figure saying, we're zeta-att-as- with that figure saying, we're 26%-off.-as a- with that figure saying, we're. 26%-off.-as a junior 26% worse off. now as a junior teeter,— 26% worse off. now as a junior teeter, you— 26% worse off. now as a junior doctor, you know,— 26% worse off. now as a junior doctor, you know, you do wonder whether— doctor, you know, you do wonder whether tt-s— doctor, you know, you do wonder whether it's slightly a generational thing that younger peopte— generational thing that younger peopte-want— generational thing that younger people want demand more people tend to want demand more money— people tend to want demand more money amt— people tend to want demand more money and potentially have the eameem— money and potentially have the eameem ta— money and potentially have the eameem to get— money and potentially have the chance to get on— money and potentially have the chance to get on better in their careers and earn— chance to get on better in their careers and earn more earlier mam— careers and earn more earlier than maybe— careers and earn more earlier than maybe people of a different gemetattam— than maybe people of a different generation. maybe. but but i stttt— generation. maybe. but but i stttt tmmt— generation. maybe. but but i still think we— generation. maybe. but but i still think we know they work really— still think we know they work teatty tart.— still think we know they work really hard. we— still think we know they work really hard. we know they probably— really hard. we know they probably ta— really hard. we know they probably do require more money as tats— probably do require more money as tats at— probably do require more money as lots of these— probably do require more money as lots of these different peopte— as lots of these different people striking at the moment. but people striking at the moment. tut—ta- people striking at the moment. tut—ta te- people striking at the moment.| but—to be talking but no one seems to be talking semsttty— but no one seems to be talking semsttty at— but no one seems to be talking semsttty at sa— but no one seems to be talking sensibly or so we— but no one seems to be talking sensibly or so we know. maybe they— sensibly or so we know. maybe they-tm— sensibly or so we know. maybe they-tm teatty— sensibly or so we know. maybe they i'm really hoping they they are. i'm really hoping they are they are. i'm really hoping they ateeeause—ti they are. i'm really hoping theyi are behind the scenes because. eut— are behind the scenes because. tut-mat— are behind the scenes because. but-not hearing- are behind the scenes because. but not hearing anything but we're not hearing anything tram—.- but we're not hearing anything tram—. me- but we're not hearing anythingi tram—. we meet from the government. we need someone-ta— from the government. we need someone .to-bit- from the government. we need someone to bit more . someone just to be a bit more. we— someone just to be a bit more. we meet— someone just to be a bit more. we meet a— someone just to be a bit more. we need a thatcher to come in amt— we need a thatcher to come in amt-aut- — we need a thatcher to come in and-out. well,- we need a thatcher to come in and-out. well, let'sl and sort this out. well, let's quickly another quickly just have another panic about health care related things. 1 in 399 patients is the front page of the mirror. have made own way hospital front page of the mirror. have madto own way hospital 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front page of the mirror. have madto the own vtwaits hospital due to the record waits for ambulances . at the time, i was ambulances. at the time, i was joking about when all the strikes were happening of the paramedics for a run, strikes were happening of the parc'ontdics for a run, strikes were happening of the parc'on those for a run, strikes were happening of the parc'on those i for a run, strikes were happening of the parc'on those i for going to but on those days i was going to run around the just in but on those days i was going to run a butd the just in but on those days i was going to run a but this; just in but on those days i was going to run a but this is just in but on those days i was going to run a but this is actual just in but on those days i was going to run a but this is actual people case. but this is actual people thinking no, i'm a 999 patient, thinking, no, i'm a 999 patient, but going to risk going but i'm not going to risk going in ambulance queuing day in an ambulance queuing all day . there's 999 patients and tees— . there's 999 patients and tees 999— there's 999 patients and there's 999 patients, which are eattet— there's 999 patients, which are eattet tet— there's 999 patients, which are called red flag— there's 999 patients, which are called red flag patients. now they— called red flag patients. now they tam-t— called red flag patients. now they tam-t ta— called red flag patients. now they don't do driving to they don't do any driving to hashttat— they don't do any driving to hospital because they're big hospital because they're the big amethy— hospital because they're the big haughty-et— hospital because they're the big priority-of strokes- hospital because they're the big priority of strokes and priority cases of strokes and hatehttat— priority cases of strokes and potential heart— priority cases of strokes and potential heart attacks. so they-te— potential heart attacks. so theyhe aver— potential heart attacks. so they're over there. but there are an awful— they're over there. but there are an awful lot— they're over there. but there are an awful lot of people who that— are an awful lot of people who that 999— are an awful lot of people who that 999 wha— are an awful lot of people who dial 999 who don't need to dial 999.— dial 999 who don't need to dial the. they— dial 999 who don't need to dial 999. they could— dial 999 who don't need to dial 999. they could be dialling 111 or 999. they could be dialling 111 at they— 999. they could be dialling 111 at they stutt— 999. they could be dialling 111 or they could be— 999. they could be dialling 111 or they could be going to their teeter— or they could be going to their teeter at— or they could be going to their doctor or they— or they could be going to their doctor or they could be going to the pharmacist— doctor or they could be going to the pharmacist .— doctor or they could be going to the pharmacist . and i do the pharmacist. and i do aetuatty— the pharmacist. and i do actually think- the pharmacist. and i do actually think that right now ue-ve-statt— actually think that right now we've start taking a we've got to start taking a ttttte— we've got to start taking a tttttelat— we've got to start taking a little of responsibility little bit of responsibility ataut— little bit of responsibility ataut hat— little bit of responsibility about not dashing off to a&e for the sttghtest— about not dashing off to a&e for the slightest reason . when we've the slightest reason. when we've got the slightest reason. when we've get ta— the slightest reason. when we've get to teat— the slightest reason. when we've get te teet at— the slightest reason. when we've got to look at this— the slightest reason. when we've got to look at this sensibly , we got to look at this sensibly, we cant— got to look at this sensibly, we eah-t seee— got to look at this sensibly, we can't cope with— got to look at this sensibly, we can't cope with it.— got to look at this sensibly, we can't cope with it. the reason eeeme— can't cope with it. the reason people ge— can't cope with it. the reason people ge te— can't cope with it. the reason people ge te het— can't cope with it. the reason people go to a&e is their first port— people go to a&e is their first meet et— people go to a&e is their first peat et tatt— people go to a&e is their first port of call because every other attempts— port of call because every other attempts te — port of call because every other attempts te get— port of call because every other attempts to get you health dealt wth— attempts to get you health dealt wth-te— attempts to get you health dealt wth-tela— attempts to get you health dealt wth-tela-ttl

attempts to get you health dealti wth-tela-tt yeu with seems to hit a wall. if you try-see— with seems to hit a wall. if you try-see a— with seems to hit a wall. if you try-see a th— with seems to hit a wall. if you try-see a gp, you'll- with seems to hit a wall. if you try see a gp, you'll end up try and see a gp, you'll end up doing some sort of zoom relationship. it's difficult. amt—shew- relationship. it's difficult. amt—shew ai relationship. it's difficult.- and_show a couple and i was on this show a couple of and i was on this show a couple et memths— and i was on this show a couple et memths age— and i was on this show a couple of months ago and— and i was on this show a couple of months ago and i got a gp's appehtmeht— of months ago and i got a gp's appointment hours. appointment within 48 hours. there— appointment within 48 hours. there-problem- appointment within 48 hours. there problem at all. there was no problem at all. hams— there was no problem at all. hams-whe— there was no problem at all. batus-who your- there was no problem at all. batus who your gp was so batus know who your gp was so easy. — batus know who your gp was so easy. .— batus know who your gp was so easy. . hat— batus know who your gp was so easy. t hat te— batus know who your gp was so easy. i had to turn— batus know who your gp was so easy. i had to turn the first teuh— easy. i had to turn the first one down because they said, can you— one down because they said, can yeu me— one down because they said, can yeu mew— one down because they said, can yeu se— one down because they said, can you come now? so i— one down because they said, can you come now? so i made it for the— you come now? so i made it for the heat— you come now? so i made it for the heat tay— you come now? so i made it for the heat tay .— you come now? so i made it for the next day . now— you come now? so i made it for the next day . now it's much, the next day. now it's much, mush— the next day. now it's much, much harder— the next day. now it's much, much harder because we're facing this much harder because we're facing thts-aetteh— much harder because we're facing thts-aetteh .— much harder because we're facing this-action . but- this industrial action. but there— this industrial action. but there ae— this industrial action. but there are options . one, one, one there are options. one, one, one yeu— there are options. one, one, one yeu sam— there are options. one, one, one yeu tatt— there are options. one, one, one yeu eatt ee— there are options. one, one, one you can call one one. you can go to you can call one one. you can go te the— you can call one one. you can go to the pharmacist,— you can call one one. you can go to the pharmacist, you can think ateut— to the pharmacist, you can think ateut ht.— to the pharmacist, you can think ateut tt. heu— to the pharmacist, you can think about it. you could— to the pharmacist, you can think about it. you could not go to the— about it. you could not go to the tester— about it. you could not go to the doctor because got a the doctor because you've got a eemmeh—tel the doctor because you've got a. e—emmemte ahy common cold and it won't do any geet. — common cold and it won't do any geet. |mam— common cold and it won't do any geet. lmam taug— common cold and it won't do any good. imean, long term,- common cold and it won't do any good. " :::ttg good. i mean, long term, there we've and we've discussed this and i've seen times this and seen it many times on this and other we just other programmes where we just have look how dependent other programmes where we just have we .ook how dependent other programmes where we just have we all; how dependent other programmes where we just have we all got how dependent other programmes where we just have we all got onv dependent other programmes where we just have we all got on the pendent other programmes where we just have we all got on the nhs?nt other programmes where we just have we all got on the nhs? do we phone them up for the most ridiculous getting ridiculous thing? are we getting drugs don't need drugs when we really don't need them they them anymore? are they prescribing stuff we really don't anymore? you know, don't need anymore? you know, the whole thing needs be the whole thing needs to be looked though that looked at right now though that sort term. needs to sort of long term. that needs to be how do we use our nhs? how do we it effective for 70 we make it effective for 70 million people, 45 million people, not for the 45 it originally created for.

it was originally created for. you know, our population has exploded , right? that's exploded, right? so that's another they're another issue. and they're living these but living longer. so all these but this week we need to sit around a table. well indeed , after the a table. well indeed, after the treat,— a table. well indeed, after the treat, we— a table. well indeed, after the break, we have— a table. well indeed, after the break, we have a— well indeed, after the break, we have a couple more hem— break, we have a couple more meat pages— break, we have a couple more front pages still— break, we have a couple more front pages still show you. front pages still to show you. thus— front pages still to show you. thus-ast— front pages still to show you. plus,-ask-pundits- plus, i'll ask my pundits if they— plus, i'll ask my pundits if they-te— plus, i'll ask my pundits if they be watching the new they will be watching the new tease— they will be watching the new grease-amt- they will be watching the new grease and whether grease tv show and whether they-we— grease tv show and whether they-we ever— grease tv show and whether they've ever abandoned a car due to they've ever abandoned a car due te a— they've ever abandoned a car due te a tatte— they've ever abandoned a car due te a ttattte tam.— they've ever abandoned a car due to a traffic jam. we'll see you

soon i soon. welcome iseeh- welcome back iseem— welcome back and i seem— welcome back and thank you for yew— welcome back and thank you for yeut ematts— welcome back and thank you for your emails. you've— welcome back and thank you for your emails. you've been sending in your emails. you've been sending th ateut— your emails. you've been sending th ateut the— your emails. you've been sending in about the various— your emails. you've been sending in about the various things we've been discussing. some more here.— we've been discussing. some more here-_tepte- we've been discussing. some more here-_tepte et- here. bridget on the topic of margaret— here. bridget on the topic of margaret thatcher margaret margaret thatcher says margaret thatehet— margaret thatcher says margaret thatche making— margaret thatcher says margaret thatche making lot promises without making a lot of promises that—that- that she wasn't aware that she eeutt— that she wasn't aware that she eeutt-she-asi could carry out. she spoke as a heusewtte— could carry out. she spoke as a housewife, having— could carry out. she spoke as a housewife, having a budget to the— housewife, having a budget to hwe—the- housewife, having a budget to live—the topic- live on, then on the topic of the— live on, then on the topic of the-at— live on, then on the topic of the-at the- live on, then on the topic of the at the bodyguard the incident at the bodyguard musteat— the incident at the bodyguard musical, richard— the incident at the bodyguard musical, richard says go musical, richard says if you go to musical, richard says if you go

te—humtetl to a show with a big number at the-tent— to a show with a big number at the-don't think- the end and don't think people are the end and don't think people ate—atehg,- the end and don't think people are—along, then. are going to sing along, then you— are going to sing along, then yeu ae— are going to sing along, then you are either— are going to sing along, then you are either a— are going to sing along, then you are either a fool or a tettee— you are either a fool or a toffee-plonker. - you are either a fool or a toffee plonker. not you are either a fool or a- toffee-plonker. not sure toffee nosed plonker. not sure whteh— toffee nosed plonker. not sure whteh-thht- toffee nosed plonker. not sure which-thinklam.- which one you think i am. aetuatty— which one you think i am. actually,-think- which one you think i am. actually, think i know actually, no, i think i know whteh— actually, no, i think i know which-think- actually, no, i think i know which-think i- actually, no, i think i know which think i am. actually, no, i think i know- which-think i am. john which one you think i am. john on which one you think i am. john e—says - which one you think i am. john e—says wasi which one you think i am. john on.not_says. wasj which one you think i am. john onlnot a-says. wasj which one you think i am. john on not a time says. was which one you think i am. john on not a time whenays. was which one you think i am. john on not a time when there �*as there not a time when there weutt— there not a time when there would negotiation under would be no negotiation under tutesse— would be no negotiation under duress? surely— would be no negotiation under duress? surely threat duress? surely the threat of ptamet— planned strike by doctors is tuess— planned strike by doctors isi duress—sides, duress. i'm not taking sides, pust— just asking a question. interesting— just asking a question. interesting let's just asking a question.- interesting-let's move interesting points. let's move on interesting points. let's move eh-metelthe- interesting points. let's move on-morelthe front| on to some more of the front pages— on to some more of the front pages them— on to some more of the front pages then - here - on to some more of the front pages then here my pages then still here with my puhttts— pages then still here with my puhttts-eh- pages then still here with my pundits, gb news pundits, we've got gb news senior commentator pundits, we've got gb news- senior-commentator and senior political commentator and meet— senior political commentator and tteet street— senior political commentator and fleet street legend nigel nelson yeumat— fleet street legend nigel nelson teumat hest— fleet street legend nigel nelson journal host and— fleet street legend nigel nelson journal host and broadcaster thty— journal host and broadcaster thty peetey— journal host and broadcaster thty peetey ,— journal host and broadcaster lindy dooley , radio legend lindy dooley, and radio legend wett— lindy dooley, and radio legend wett tea.— lindy dooley, and radio legend wett tex- as— lindy dooley, and radio legend neil fox. as we— lindy dooley, and radio legend neil fox. as we look to the next hem— neil fox. as we look to the next memt page,— neil fox. as we look to the next front page,-times- neil fox. as we look to the next front page, times labour front page, the times labour wttt— front page, the times labour wttt ttame— front page, the times labour will blame pm— front page, the times labour will blame pm for crashing eey— will blame pm for crashing economy controversial attack ads go economy controversial attack ads ge eh— economy controversial attack ads ge as— economy controversial attack ads go on, as we mentioned earlier, tut— go on, as we mentioned earlier, but specifically— go on, as we mentioned earlier, but specifically looking at the eey— but specifically looking at the eey ptus— but specifically looking at the economy plus also on their front page— economy plus also on their front page sugees— economy plus also on their front page surgeons face— economy plus also on their front page surgeons face metoo moment over sexism and then we have the euatttah-s— over sexism and then we have the guardian's front— over sexism and then we have the guardian's front page . uk is not guardian's front page. uk is not these— guardian's front page. uk is not these te— guardian's front page. uk is not these te tehg— guardian's front page. uk is not close to being a— guardian's front page. uk is not close to being a racially just seetety— close to being a racially just society finds— close to being a racially just society finds two— close to being a racially just society finds two year study atse— society finds two year study atse eh— society finds two year study also on their— society finds two year study also on their front page. king's green— also on their front page. king's green energy— also on their front page. king's green energy firm _ also on their front page. king's green energy firm investigated for green energy firm investigated tet gas— green energy firm investigated tea gas teat,— green energy firm investigated for gas leak, which i imagine is es— for gas leak, which i imagine is tess tummy— for gas leak, which i imagine is less funny than _ for gas leak, which i imagine is

less funny than the headline mates— less funny than the headline mates tt— less funny than the headline makes it seem.— less funny than the headline makes it seem. and also i should have— makes it seem. and also i should have sat— makes it seem. and also i should have satt every— makes it seem. and also i should have said every single front page- _ have said every single front page. use— have said every single front page. ttse has— have said every single front page. also has this the royal ptetutes— page. also has this the royal ptetutes amt— page. also has this the royal pictures and we— page. also has this the royal pictures and we were talking off air pictures and we were talking off at ateut— pictures and we were talking off at ateut .— pictures and we were talking off air about i mean,— pictures and we were talking off air about i mean, everyone seems to air about i mean, everyone seems te thht— air about i mean, everyone seems te that that— air about i mean, everyone seems to think that kate's— air about i mean, everyone seems to think that kate's coat is wetthg— to think that kate's coat is working really— to think that kate's coat is working really well. just a thet— working really well. just a thet-et- working really well. just a brief-of that- working really well. just a brief of that good working really well. just a- brief-of that good coat brief mention of that good coat seat— brief mention of that good coat eeat ,— brief mention of that good coat eeat , mayhe— brief mention of that good coat coat , maybe alexander mcqueen , coat, maybe alexander mcqueen, aetuatty. — coat, maybe alexander mcqueen, actually. sarah _ coat, maybe alexander mcqueen, actually. sarah burton- coat, maybe alexander mcqueen, actually. sarah burton for alexander mcqueen . but the alexander mcqueen. but the choice of royal blue, that's a stellar choice for easter weekend. and actually, i think camilla is wearing royal blue as well . i camilla is wearing royal blue as well. i mean, it's camilla is wearing royal blue as well . i mean, it's such well. i mean, it's such a beautiful tab low. now, when you look at the royal family i think they absolutely impeccable, they look absolutely impeccable, real quality. there's they look absolutely impeccable, real quality . there's a real star quality. there's a blue named— real star quality. there's a blue named after- ”chi gui cat there's a blue named after you. it'd be tute— blue named after you. it'd be tute te— blue named after you. it'd be tute te, met— blue named after you. it'd be rude to, not wouldn't it? yeah, that-s— rude to, not wouldn't it? yeah, that-s hght. — rude to, not wouldn't it? yeah, that's right. that's- rude to, not wouldn't it? yeah, that's right. g that's right. that's right. probably enough. think only that's right. that's right. proitimestnough. think only that's right. that's right. proitimes actually think only that's right. that's right. proitimes actually used; only that's right. that's right. proitimes actually used royal the times actually used royal blue.i the times actually used royal blue. i can't think how the others missed it. i suppose we sheutt— others missed it. i suppose we sheutt teet— others missed it. i suppose we should look to— others missed it. i suppose we should look to-serious- c i suppose we should look to serious story should look to the serious story here—ttame- should look to the serious story herefor_blame- should look to the serious story herefor crashing blame should look to the serious story herefor crashing the blame should look to the serious story herefor crashing the economy pm for crashing the economy agah. — pm for crashing the economy agah. we— pm for crashing the economy again. we come— pm for crashing the economy again. we come down to this this thet— again. we come down to this this issue, nigel, about— again. we come down to this this issue, nigel, about whether you sheutt — should be blaming the party or htamhg— should be blaming the party or htamhg-veah- should be blaming the party or blaming-yeah, i- should be blaming the party or blaming yeah, i think blaming the man. yeah, i think you— blaming the man. yeah, i think yeu sam— blaming the man. yeah, i think yeu paetatty— blaming the man. yeah, i think you can probably blame the man for you can probably blame the man tea—t— you can probably blame the man tea—t mean— you can probably blame the man for—i mean,-know| for this one. i mean, you know that obviously as linda said earlier, that rishi sunak wasn't

even an mp for five years when labour criticising him over not being concerned about rapists. he was concerned about the economy. so that is directly down to him as chancellor and now as prime minister. so i think you can actually do an attack line against that and that would be fair. the important thing for keir starmer is for goodness sake, appear to the voters as being fair about it . certainly go into the tory it. certainly go into the tory record . don't blame rishi sunak record. don't blame rishi sunak for stuff that he wasn't responsible for in the same way that when boris johnson blamed keir starmer for not prosecuting jemmy savile , he wasn't jemmy savile, he wasn't responsible for that , so he responsible for that, so he shouldn't go down that road. but certainly perfectly reasonable to attack the former chancellor current prime minister. yeah, i mean , good point— current prime minister. yeah, i mean , good point there.- cc. ”cl 37” ti " yeah, i mean , good point there. do you mean, good point there. do you that,— mean, good point there. do you that wett— mean, good point there. do you think, neil, are— mean, good point there. do you think, neil, are we— mean, good point there. do you think, neil, are we going to be tatthg— think, neil, are we going to be tatthg ateut— think, neil, are we going to be talking about eat— think, neil, are we going to be talking about eat out to help out talking about eat out to help eut agatm — talking about eat out to help out again? well,— talking about eat out to help out again? well, i- talking about eat out to help out again? whim ”cage talking about eat out to help out again? whim "cage out again? well, i really wish. and i remember— out again? well, i really wish. and i remember growing- out again? whim "cage and i remember growing up all the ats— and i remember growing up all the ats wee— and i remember growing up all the ads were it— and i remember growing up all the ads were it was it was

etthet— the ads were it was it was either tories— the ads were it was it was either tories or- the ads were it was it was either tories or labour for hght. — either tories or labour for right. _coursel either tories or labour for. right._course it's right. and now of course it's ateut— right. and now of course it's ateut peepte— right. and now of course it's about people. it's almost like hw-s— about people. it's almost like our pm's have— about people. it's almost like our pm's have become presidential,- our pm's have become- presidential,-talk our pm's have become- presid intial,-talk our pm's have become presid in america talk our pm's have become presid in america now. talk our pm's have become presid in america now. taliit's about in america now. so it's pust— about in america now. so it's gust-ehe— about in america now. so it's. tust-eme-tht just about the one person. and of just about the one person. and et the — just about the one person. and of course the way— just about the one person. and of course the way our politics weths— of course the way our politics weths tt-s— of course the way our politics works, it's not— of course the way our politics works, it's not all— of course the way our politics works, it's not all about one peme— works, it's not all about one petse tt-s— works, it's not all about one person, it's about- works, it's not all about one person, it's about parties and tt-s—hepetutty it's about cabinets. hopefully mathg— it's about cabinets. hopefully matmg hawmg— it's about cabinets. hopefully making having a smart bunch, you know,— making having a smart bunch, you know, has.— making having a smart bunch, you know, mrs. thatcher— making having a smart bunch, you know, mrs. thatcher an know, mrs. thatcher had an amazhg— know, mrs. thatcher had an amazing cabinet of incredible peepte—eawyi amazing cabinet of incredible. peepte—eawy eut people that helped her carry out what— people that helped her carry out what she— people that helped her carry out what she wanted— people that helped her carry out what she wanted to do and also were contributing— what she wanted to do and also were contributing enormously to that— were contributing enormously to that sueeess— were contributing enormously to that success. and— were contributing enormously to that success. and i— were contributing enormously to that success. and i think there are that success. and i think there hepetutty— that success. and i think there are hopefully what we i would the— are hopefully what we i would the te— are hopefully what we i would the te see— are hopefully what we i would like to see is— are hopefully what we i would like to see is that— are hopefully what we i would like to see is that maybe when the tettes— like to see is that maybe when the tories come— like to see is that maybe when the tories come back, it's not pust— the tories come back, it's not tust tt— the tories come back, it's not tust ttt tet— the tories come back, it's not just tit for tat— the tories come back, it's not just tit for tat retaliatory, tt-s— just tit for tat retaliatory, tt-s het— just tit for tat retaliatory, tt-s met pust— just tit for tat retaliatory, it's not just about keir starmer or it's not just about keir starmer et—wety— it's not just about keir starmer et—wety easy.- it's not just about keir starmer et—wety easy. tt- or that's been very easy. it was all or that's been very easy. it was att-cettyh— or that's been very easy. it was att-cettyh get- or that's been very easy. it was all-corbyn got rid- or that's been very easy. it was all corbyn got rid of all about corbyn got rid of cettyh— all about corbyn got rid of cettyh ew— all about corbyn got rid of corbyn, now it's- all about corbyn got rid of corbyn, now it's about starmer. i corbyn, now it's about starmer. . wtsh— corbyn, now it's about starmer. . wtsh tt— corbyn, now it's about starmer. . wtsh tt was— corbyn, now it's about starmer. iwish it was just— corbyn, now it's about starmer. i wish it was just about labour iwish it was just about labour amt— iwish it was just about labour amt-were— iwish it was just about labour and -were talking- i wish it was just about labour and were talking about the and they were talking about the eyes— tories as a government and what they-we— tories as a government and what they've-obviously- tories as a government and what they've obviously it's they've done. but obviously it's easy— they've done. but obviously it's easyltash— they've done. but obviously it's easyltash the— they've done. but obviously it's easy bash the person and but easy to bash the person and but on easy to bash the person and but we thts— easy to bash the person and but we thts ease— easy to bash the person and but on this case, if— easy to bash the person and but on this case, if it's— easy to bash the person and but on this case, if it's about the eey— on this case, if it's about the economy-said,- on this case, if it's about the. economy-said,.was economy as nigel said, he was the chancellor— economy as nigel said, he was the chancellor ,— economy as nigel said, he was the chancellor , right? so, okay, the chancellor, right? so, okay, if the chancellor, right? so, okay, tt yeu— the chancellor, right? so, okay, tt yeu-te— the chancellor, right? so, okay, tt yeu-te-eh- the chancellor, right? so, okay, if you to on someone, if you want to pick on someone, he was— if you want to pick on someone, he the— if you want to pick on someone, he the guy— if you want to pick on someone, he was the guy in— if you want to pick on someone, he was the guy in at that he was the guy in charge at that memet — he was the guy in charge at thati memet _thts moment. we'll move on to this one i can report one now because i can report that another staple pop that yet another staple of pop culture relaunch .

culture is getting a relaunch. yes. legendary 1970s film grease is returning as a tv prequel, which will reportedly feature a multicultural all female line up and also , somewhat strangely, a and also, somewhat strangely, a song about white supremacy. linda i'll turn to you first. would you will you be watching the grease reboot? no, no , the grease reboot? no, no, absolutely not. do you want to be absolutely not. do you want to he a— absolutely not. do you want to he a pm— absolutely not. do you want to he a pht tatye— absolutely not. do you want to be a pink lady? no— absolutely not. do you want to be a pink lady? no you- gigs do you want to be a pink lady? no you are found this be a pink lady? no you are found thts ewemhg— be a pink lady? no you are found thts ewehhg .— be a pink lady? no you are found this evening . exactly. that's this evening. exactly. that's true.— this evening. exactly. that's true. inverted— this evening. exactly. that's true. inverted commas. this evening. exactly. that's true. inverted commas . the true. inverted commas. the pathet— true. inverted commas. the taetet .— true. inverted commas. the taetet . tht— true. inverted commas. the jacket i kind of— true. inverted commas. the jacket i kind of did like the i wasmt— jacket i kind of did like the i wasmt tht— jacket i kind of did like the i wasn't kind of— jacket i kind of did like the i wasn't kind of over keen on the ehghat— wasn't kind of over keen on the ehgtmat tttm. — wasn't kind of over keen on the original film. i— wasn't kind of over keen on the original film. i thought it was htetesthg— original film. i thought it was interesting, you— original film. i thought it was interesting, you know, quite emtettahhg— interesting, you know, quite entertaining. but what? i can't umtetstamt— entertaining. but what? i can't umtetstamt, .— entertaining. but what? i can't understand, i think neil and i tatttmg— understand, i think neil and i were talking about this earlier is were talking about this earlier ts-eam-t— were talking about this earlier ts-eam-t peepte— were talking about this earlier is can't people just come up is why can't people just come up wtth— is why can't people just come up wtth a— is why can't people just come up wtth a teatty— is why can't people just come up with a really original idea ? why with a really original idea? why do with a really original idea? why te they— with a really original idea? why te they have— with a really original idea? why do they have to— with a really original idea? why do they have to remake anything 7 do they have to remake anything e wett— do they have to remake anything e wett. .— do they have to remake anything ? well, i mean,— do they have to remake anything ? well, i mean, there- do they have to remake anything ? " c�*tfghz 5th; ? well, i mean, there are original things on tv, but you know, the actual answer is because if you write an original thing, , instead of thing, you could, instead of calling ladies, you calling it the pink ladies, you could about could just have a thing about school gangs for girls. no one would it. but you got the would watch it. but you got the word grease in all the promotion . all of a sudden we're interested and we're talking about it. sounds like i'm

putttmg— about it. sounds like i'm putttmg t-m— about it. sounds like i'm putting i'm-being. c sounds like i'm putting i'm being a about it. sounds like i'm- putting i'm-being a t—bird putting i'm just being a t—bird here.— putting i'm just being a t—bird hete. t-m— putting i'm just being a t—bird hete. t-m am— putting i'm just being a t—bird here. i'm an old— putting i'm just being a t—bird here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, vou— here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, you-,— here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, yo.-, t-m— here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, yo.-, t-m met— here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, yo.-, t-m met-te- here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, you-, i'm not-to sayj you know, i'm not going to say it you know, i'm not going to say tt-t-m— you know, i'm not going to say tt-t-m met— you know, i'm not going to say tt-t-m met getmg— it now. i'm not going to use that— it now. i'm not going to use that-weet.— it now. i'm not going to use that-word.-hang- it now. i'm not going to use that word. hang on. that old word. i'm hang on. seaw— that old word. i'm hang on. semy, semy— that old word. i'm hang on. semy, semy .— that old word. i'm hang on. semy, semy . n0,- that old word. i'm hang on. sorry, sorry . no, but look, the sorry, sorry. no, but look, the gease— sorry, sorry. no, but look, the grease was, what,— sorry, sorry. no, but look, the grease was, what, 1979? now, it was-ttme— grease was, what, 1979? now, it was-ttme age— grease was, what, 1979? now, it was-ttme age .— grease was, what, 1979? now, it was-time ago . it's- grease was, what, 1979? now, it was time ago . it's look, was a long time ago. it's look, thts— was a long time ago. it's look, thts ts— was a long time ago. it's look, thts ts a— was a long time ago. it's look, this is a prequel.— was a long time ago. it's look, this is a prequel. this is appatemtty— this is a prequel. this is apparently the story because i try apparently the story because i tty te— apparently the story because i try te teat— apparently the story because i try to read because i loved wease— try to read because i loved eeaseslwa— try to read because i loved grease..was a- try to read because i loved grease. was a great film , a grease. it was a great film, a tum— grease. it was a great film, a tum tttm— grease. it was a great film, a tum tttm .— grease. it was a great film, a fun film . but— grease. it was a great film, a fun film . but i'm— grease. it was a great film, a fun film . but i'm sure some of fun film. but i'm sure some of it fun film. but i'm sure some of tt mew— fun film. but i'm sure some of tt peepte— fun film. but i'm sure some of it now people would probably have—wtth- it now people would probablyi have _with like it now people would probably. have _with like so have a few problems with like so many— have a few problems with like so mamy thtmgs— have a few problems with like so many things when— have a few problems with like so many things when you look back. but many things when you look back. hut—a- many things when you look back. hut—a gteatl but for its time, it was a great mewte— but for its time, it was a great tet— but for its time, it was a great tea tts— but for its time, it was a great movie for its time— but for its time, it was a great movie for its time with some great—ts- movie for its time with some great—ts the- great songs. this is the haetstety— great songs. this is the backstory of— great songs. this is the backstory of how the t—birds atemg— backstory of how the t—birds came along and— backstory of how the t—birds came along and how the pink tattes— came along and how the pink tattes wee— came along and how the pink ladies were formed. and it's there-s— ladies were formed. and it's there-s a— ladies were formed. and it's there's a little— ladies were formed. and it's there's a little bit of me going,— there's a little bit of me gang, eh— there's a little bit of me going, oh, and of course it'll be going, oh, and of course it'll he very— going, oh, and of course it'll he very wete— going, oh, and of course it'll be very woke and— going, oh, and of course it'll be very woke and very as if it's going— be very woke and very as if it's getmg te— be very woke and very as if it's getmg te mate— be very woke and very as if it's going to make it— be very woke and very as if it's going to make it today. you've got going to make it today. you've get—tetay-s- got to make it fit today's auteme— got to make it fit today's audience, course , but i'm audience, of course, but i'm sttghtty— audience, of course, but i'm. sttghtty—tmstte slightly groaning as well inside going,— slightly groaning as well inside gang, cam-t— slightly groaning as well inside gang, cam-t we— slightly groaning as well inside going, can't we just leave it as it going, can't we just leave it as tt—geat- going, can't we just leave it as tt—gteat matel going, can't we just leave it as tt—gteat mate a| it was? it was a great make a mate— it was? it was a great make a matelptegtam — it was? it was a great make a make program about something it was? it was a great make a make fiascygram about something it was? it was a great make a make h tgtzi; about something it was? it was a great make a make h tgtzi; something it was? it was a great make a make h tgtzi; chiastiiing it was? it was a great make a- makeibut nigel, both grease one else. but nigel, both grease one and were effectively kind of and two were effectively kind of work. social work. they were about the social awkwardness being the awkwardness and not being the person who in straight person who fits in straight away. obviously grease two was

terrible, but they were roughly the same film. yeah. i mean, it was-grewtmg— the same film. yeah. i mean, it was-grewtmglamt- the same film. yeah. i mean, iti was-growing.and.was was about growing up and it was aheut— was about growing up and it was about-difficult— was about growing up and it was about difficult adolescence about how difficult adolescence is about how difficult adolescence tslatt— about how difficult adolescence tslatt these— about how difficult adolescence is all those people is for all those people concerned.— is for all those people. concerned.-was is for all those people- concerned.-was what, concerned. and that was what, you— concerned. and that was what, yeu thew,— concerned. and that was what, yeu thew, tt— concerned. and that was what, you know, it wasn't about the pettttes— you know, it wasn't about the pettttes et— you know, it wasn't about the pettttes et ht.— you know, it wasn't about the politics of it. it— you know, it wasn't about the politics of it. it wasn't about seetat— politics of it. it wasn't about social issues— politics of it. it wasn't about social issues that— politics of it. it wasn't about social issues that we're expehemetmg— social issues that we're experiencing now . however, i'd experiencing now. however, i'd tte— experiencing now. however, i'd ttte te— experiencing now. however, i'd ttte te see— experiencing now. however, i'd ttte te hew— experiencing now. however, i'd like to see how it— experiencing now. however, i'd like to see how it pans out on the— like to see how it pans out on the hash— like to see how it pans out on the basis that— like to see how it pans out on the basis that we— like to see how it pans out on the basis that we do make emaet— the basis that we do make emaet et— the basis that we do make remakes of stuff. i mean, look, you— remakes of stuff. i mean, look, yeu thew— remakes of stuff. i mean, look, yeu thew ,— remakes of stuff. i mean, look, yeu thew , that— remakes of stuff. i mean, look, you know , that true something you know, that true something the— you know, that true something the heme— you know, that true something like romeo and— you know, that true something like romeo and juliet becomes west— like romeo and juliet becomes west stte— like romeo and juliet becomes west side story.— like romeo and juliet becomes west side story. we've got waeheth— west side story. we've got washeth ,— west side story. we've got macbeth , which can be set in an macbeth, which can be set in an tast— macbeth, which can be set in an tast tutepeam— macbeth, which can be set in an east european dictatorship. so i'm east european dictatorship. so t-m met— east european dictatorship. so i'm not against— east european dictatorship. so i'm not against the idea of emaet— i'm not against the idea of remakes sing— i'm not against the idea of remakes sing something and also that— remakes sing something and also issues that happen— remakes sing something and also issues that happen now also extstet— issues that happen now also extstet h— issues that happen now also existed in the— issues that happen now also existed in the 1950s. we just set— existed in the 1950s. we just set et— existed in the 1950s. we just sort of talked— existed in the 1950s. we just sort of talked about them. yeah. amt— sort of talked about them. yeah. amt ee— sort of talked about them. yeah. amt thtmg— sort of talked about them. yeah. and one thing to— sort of talked about them. yeah. and one thing to be fair, we have— and one thing to be fair, we have te— and one thing to be fair, we have te see— and one thing to be fair, we have to see the— and one thing to be fair, we have to see the program before we teatty— have to see the program before we can really comment on it, heeause— we can really comment on it, heeause-we— we can really comment on it, heeause-we te- we can really comment on it, because we do because you because no, we do because you thew— because no, we do because you thew-tt-s— because no, we do because you thew-tt-s the.— because no, we do because you know-it's like. they- because no, we do because you know it's like. they pick know what it's like. they pick eut— know what it's like. they pick eutleeupte— know what it's like. they pick eutleeupte et— know what it's like. they pick out couple of juicy bits that out a couple of juicy bits that att— out a couple of juicy bits that att getmg— out a couple of juicy bits that we're all going go, no, we're all going to go, oh no, thts— this sounds awful. and it might aetuatty— this sounds awful. and it might actually-brilliant. - this sounds awful. and it might actually brilliant. maybe actually be brilliant. so maybe tet-s— actually be brilliant. so maybe tet-s pust— actually be brilliant. so maybe let's just come— actually be brilliant. so maybe let's just come on. _ actually be brilliant. so maybe let's just come on. i'll watch it let's just come on. i'll watch tt-them— let's just come on. i'll watch tt-them tet-s— let's just come on. i'll watch it-then let's get- let's just come on. i'll watch it then let's get back on

it first, then let's get back on ttseusstmg— it first, then let's get back on discussing how's— it first, then let's get back on discussing how's that look? is that— discussing how's that look? is that-tatte— discussing how's that look? is that-fair?-of- that too fair? the voice of teasemlt-m— that too fair? the voice of reason-i'm loving- that too fair? the voice of. reason-i'm loving-well, reason. i'm loving it. well, finally tonight , have you finally tonight, have you encountered any traffic jams this i hope they were this easter? i hope they were not the that some not as bad as the one that some shoppers encountered in a cardiff car park cardiff multi—storey car park yesterday . traffic lights yesterday. traffic lights outside blamed outside the building were blamed for queue, which for a three hour queue, which led to some people just abandoning cars . neil no abandoning their cars. neil no one likes a traffic jam ever. just given up thought just given up and thought i'll buy car. now that's why buy a new car. now that's why i atte— buy a new car. now that's why i hte a— buy a new car. now that's why i ride a motorbike— buy a new car. now that's why i ride a motorbike round- it?” now that's why i ride a motorbike round town theugh— ride a motorbike round town theugh-t- ride a motorbike round town theugh-t pust- ride a motorbike round town though, i just honestly, though, because i just honestly, i though, because i just honestly, t-se— though, because i just honestly, t-se tet— though, because i just honestly, t-se tet up— though, because i just honestly, t-se tet up-thel i just get so fed up with the tatte— i just get so fed up with the ttattte hams— i just get so fed up with the traffic jams everywhere. no, i just get so fed up with the tiwouldn't s everywhere. no, i just get so fed up with the tiwouldn't leave (where. no, i just get so fed up with the tiwouldn't leave myare. no, i just get so fed up with the tiwouldn't leave my car. no, i just get so fed up with the tiwouldn't leave my car. butno, i wouldn't leave my car. but twe— i wouldn't leave my car. but hwe—et— i wouldn't leave my car. but t-we—et mamyl i wouldn't leave my car. but t-we—et mamy al i wouldn't leave my car. but. i've—of many a cab, i've jumped out of many a cab, as t-m— i've jumped out of many a cab, as i'm sure we all— i've jumped out of many a cab, as i'm sure we all have. because yeue— as i'm sure we all have. because yeue sttttmg— as i'm sure we all have. because you're sitting there— as i'm sure we all have. because you're sitting there not going ..ywhg..,_ you're sitting there not going amywhtaet— you're sitting there not going anywhrack.and- you're sitting there not going anywh rack and think, what's you're sitting there not going any point? and think, what's you're sitting there not going any point? i'll and think, what's you're sitting there not going any point? i'll get think, what's you're sitting there not going any point? i'll get thiiandlhat's the point? i'll get out and watt.— the point? i'll get out and watt. tt— the point? i'll get out and walk. it will— the point? i'll get out and walk. it will be- the point? i'll get out and walk. it will be quicker, but ahamtemtmg— walk. it will be quicker, but abandoning my— walk. it will be quicker, but abandoning my that walk. it will be quicker, but abandoning my-that what abandoning my car that know what happens— abandoning my car that know what happemslthe— abandoning my car that know what happens the because then happens to the car because then eetyee— happens to the car because then eetyee _stuet- happens to the car because then everyone stuck behind everyone else who stuck behind yeue— everyone else who stuck behind yeue-they— everyone else who stuck behind yeue-they atm-t- everyone else who stuck behind your they ain't going your car that they ain't going to your car that they ain't going te he— your car that they ain't going te he mewtmg— your car that they ain't going to be moving, are they? let's be hemest. — to be moving, are they? let's be hemest. _t- to be moving, are they? let's be honest. _i mean,. honest. good point. i mean, i used live near bluewater and used to live near bluewater and once a year a thing. once a year it was a thing. you got careful they'd got to be careful because they'd have people have eight hour queues as people try and get out because the way the are set around there the roads are set around there and nigel, you're around that rough around that, around that way. no abandon

way. no one i wouldn't abandon a car. way. no one i wouldn't abandon a e-ahees— way. no one i wouldn't abandon a eat-hete-s—tew- car. but here's why that a few tays— car. but here's why that a few tays age— car. but here's why that a few tays age steppet— car. but here's why that a few days ago stopped outside a post emee— days ago stopped outside a post etttee te— days ago stopped outside a post etttee te pest— days ago stopped outside a post office to post a— days ago stopped outside a post office to post a letter . i days ago stopped outside a post office to post a letter. i leapt eut— office to post a letter. i leapt eut et— office to post a letter. i leapt eut et my— office to post a letter. i leapt out of my wife's— office to post a letter. i leapt out of my wife's car, went in wag,— out of my wife's car, went in age, ame— out of my wife's car, went in there, came out— out of my wife's car, went in there, came out and tried to get me— there, came out and tried to get tmte the— there, came out and tried to get tmte the waemg— there, came out and tried to get into the wrong car. _ there, came out and tried to get into the wrong car. she then she them— into the wrong car. she then she them mates— into the wrong car. she then she then makes the _ into the wrong car. she then she then makes the point that if i ever abandon— then makes the point that if i ever abandon my— then makes the point that if i ever abandon my car, i'd never be ever abandon my car, i'd never he ate— ever abandon my car, i'd never he ahte te— ever abandon my car, i'd never be able to find— ever abandon my car, i'd never be able to find it— ever abandon my car, i'd never be able to find it again. that-s— be able to find it again. that's true. _ be able to find it again. that's true. and - be able to find it again. that's true. and linda. be able to find it again. that's true. and linda everjust that's true. and linda ever just given up and thought, you know what, i'll i'll move and start a new life elsewhere. this is too bad. i kind did new life elsewhere. this is too bad. ikind did because bad. i kind of did because i meet— bad. i kind of did because i mewet-ptetty- ttuitt: i kind of did because i moved pretty little ztuitt: i kind of did because i moved pretty little town moved to a pretty little town eattet— moved to a pretty little town called - because - moved to a pretty little town called because got so called marlow because i got so stet— called marlow because i got so stat-tatte— called marlow because i got so sick-traffic in— called marlow because i got so sick-traffic in the- called marlow because i got so sick traffic in the part sick of the traffic in the part of sick of the traffic in the part et west— sick of the traffic in the part of west london _ sick of the traffic in the part of west london where i live , of west london where i live, whteh— of west london where i live, whteh was— of west london where i live, which was truly— of west london where i live, which was truly horrendous heeause— which was truly horrendous because hammersmith bridge eteset— because hammersmith bridge eteset ,— because hammersmith bridge closed , right?— because hammersmith bridge closed , right? and then closed, right? and then ewetythtmg— closed, right? and then everything poured onto two narrow roads— everything poured onto two narrow roads and there was a tatt— narrow roads and there was a rat tast— narrow roads and there was a rail track with— narrow roads and there was a rail track with four level eesstmsg — rail track with four level crossings. it— rail track with four level crossings. it was like a eemptete— crossings. it was like a complete nightmare . and so complete nightmare. and so i meet— complete nightmare. and so i mewet eut— complete nightmare. and so i moved out and— complete nightmare. and so i moved out and now i'm very happy heeause— moved out and now i'm very happy heeause t-m— moved out and now i'm very happy heeause t-m very— moved out and now i'm very happy because i'm very rarely in a tatte— because i'm very rarely in a ttattte tam— because i'm very rarely in a traffic jam, maybe six cars. you etteetwety— traffic jam, maybe six cars. you effectively were _ traffic jam, maybe six cars. you effectively were living in the test— effectively were living in the first probably— effectively were living in the first probably the first test of et— first probably the first test of one of those— first probably the first test of one of those low— first probably the first test of one of those low traffic neighbourhoods where neighbourhoods areas where you just neighbourhoods areas where you gust—eh— neighbourhoods areas where you gust—eh me- neighbourhoods areas where you gust—eh me,- neighbourhoods areas where you just—oh no, no, no.i just can't drive. oh no, no, no. thts— just can't drive. oh no, no, no. thts ts— just can't drive. oh no, no, no. thts ts ute— just can't drive. oh no, no, no. this is like 20— just can't drive. oh no, no, no. this is like 20 mile an hour

att— this is like 20 mile an hour zones all over— this is like 20 mile an hour zones all over richmond. hate zones all over richmond. i hate going— zones all over richmond. i hate getmg hast— zones all over richmond. i hate going back there. _ zones all over richmond. i hate going back there. i— zones all over richmond. i hate going back there. i hate it. i hat— going back there. i hate it. i hat te— going back there. i hate it. i hat te ge— going back there. i hate it. i had to go back— going back there. i hate it. i had to go back to sunday lunch tetay— had to go back to sunday lunch tetay. what— had to go back to sunday lunch today. what nightmare. mean today. what a nightmare. i mean , yeu— today. what a nightmare. i mean , can you actually— today. what a nightmare. i mean , can you actually don't you tht— , can you actually don't you ttmt tt— , can you actually don't you find it difficult— , can you actually don't you find it difficult to drive at 20 mttes— find it difficult to drive at 20 mttes am— find it difficult to drive at 20 miles an hour?— find it difficult to drive at 20 miles an hour? well, you do have to miles an hour? well, you do have te ptaettse— miles an hour? well, you do have te ptaettse tt. — miles an hour? well, you do have to practise it. or— miles an hour? well, you do have to practise it. or of— miles an hour? well, you do have to practise it. q” ti.t:i:t. to practise it. or of course, you get annoyed the 20 you could get annoyed by the 20 miles and abandon miles an hour and just abandon your walk . if you your car, go for a walk. if you find car left on the a41 on find a car left on the a41 on the way home, it'll be my fault. well can all agree, though well we can all agree, though you're does seem a bit you're right. it does seem a bit harsh all harsh because i imagine all of the you've bought in the things you've just bought in the things you've just bought in the in the the shopping centre are in the car , so seems silly to car, so it seems silly to abandon the car you've just wasted all that day. yeah, well, listen, wasted all that day. yeah, well, ttstem thamt— wasted all that day. yeah, well, listen, thank you _ wasted all that day. yeah, well, listen, thank you very- wasted all that day. yeah, well, listen, thank you very _to. wasted all that day. yeah, well, listtbrilliant: you very _to. wasted all that day. yeah, well, listtbrilliant punditsy-tol : cat yeah, well, listtbrilliant pundits tonight to : cat yeah, well, listtbrilliant pundits tonight . my brilliant pundits tonight. thank— my brilliant pundits tonight. thaht yeu— my brilliant pundits tonight. thank you-all— my brilliant pundits tonight. thank you-all the- my brilliant pundits tonight. thank you to all the guests who've informed. thank thank you to all the guests whofor informed. thank thank you to all the guests whofor all informed. thank thank you to all the guests whofor all of informed. thank thank you to all the guests whofor all of youformed. thank thank you to all the guests whofor all of you watching. |ank thank you to all the guests whofor all of you watching. and you for all of you watching. and of course, headliners is on the way for you next mark dolan will return to do this job properly. it's been a pleasure doing this over an over the last few days. an easter me and easter treat for me and hopefully a bearable easter treat for but yourself treat for you. but get yourself set for the newspapers being set up for the newspapers being reviewed next, as reviewed on the way next, as headliners over. we'll see headliners takes over. we'll see you next time . hello there. very

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see some sunny spells. but quite frequent-moving in- see some sunny spells. but quite frequent moving in as frequent showers moving in as wen.— frequent showers moving in as weu- these— frequent showers moving in as well. these could— frequent showers moving in as well. these could be heavy in places— well. these could be heavy in places wm.— well. these could be heavy in places with the— well. these could be heavy in places with the risk some places with the risk of some hen— places with the risk of some hail-thunder— places with the risk of some hail-thunder .- places with the risk of some hail thunder . temperatures hail and thunder. temperatures enemy—ee- slightly down compared to suede,— slightly down compared to sunday, still— slightly down compared to sunday, still around average for the time— sunday, still around average for the time ef— sunday, still around average for the time of year. _ sunday, still around average for the time of year. but there will be the time of year. but there willi be—ee be that fresh breeze in place as weu— be that fresh breeze in place as well .— be that fresh breeze in place as well . se— be that fresh breeze in place as well . so showers— be that fresh breeze in place as well . so showers continuing into well. so showers continuing into the evening,— well. so showers continuing into the evening, particularly the eemem— the evening, particularly the northern half— the evening, particularly the northern half of— the evening, particularly the northern half of the uk and over the higher— northern half of the uk and over the higher ground— northern half of the uk and over the higher ground of scotland. t hey— the higher ground of scotland. they-winery- the higher ground of scotland. they-winery fer- the higher ground of scotland. they wintry for time they could be wintry for a time ieee— they could be wintry for a time into me— they could be wintry for a time into the early— they could be wintry for a time into the early hours of tuesday . nee— into the early hours of tuesday . the showers— into the early hours of tuesday . the showers will— into the early hours of tuesday . the showers will tend to die their— . the showers will tend to die their-bie— their way off a bit more. they-u— their way off a bit more. they-unbe- their way off a bit more. they'll be scattering their way off a bit more.- they'll-belscattering in they'll still be a scattering in peace— they'll still be a scattering in place ee— they'll still be a scattering in place as we— they'll still be a scattering in place as we start— they'll still be a scattering in place as we start off the day . place as we start off the day. eenereuy— place as we start off the day. generally some— place as we start off the day. generally some clearer spells to begin— generally some clearer spells to begin winn— generally some clearer spells to begin nnn nun— generally some clearer spells to begin with, but we're then nenenne— begin with, but we're then watching this— begin with, but we're then watching this rain as it starts pnening— watching this rain as it starts pnennng in— watching this rain as it starts pushing in from _ watching this rain as it starts pushing in from the southwest. weu— pushing in from the southwest. wen-inne— pushing in from the southwest. we'll into southwest we'll move into southwest england,— we'll move into southwest england, wales and northern newne— england, wales and northern neeene fen— england, wales and northern ireland for the— england, wales and northern ireland for the afternoon as neu— ireland for the afternoon as neulnnnnne— ireland for the afternoon as well turning quite damp and wet well, turning quite damp and wet nee.— well, turning quite damp and wet nene. nun— well, turning quite damp and wet nene. nun n-e— well, turning quite damp and wet here. but it's also— well, turning quite damp and wet here. but it's also going to be accompanied—ini accompanied by a squeeze in eneee— accompanied by a squeeze in eneee nones— accompanied by a squeeze in those isobars .— accompanied by a squeeze in those isobars . and that what those isobars. and that is what eeem—quite- could bring some quite disruptive— could bring some quite disruptive winds western disruptive winds to western en— disruptive winds to western areas of the— disruptive winds to western areas of the uk.— disruptive winds to western areas of the uk. so do have areas of the uk. so we do have yeuen— areas of the uk. so we do have yellow weather— areas of the uk. so we do have yellow weather warnings in force for tuesday— yellow weather warnings in force for tuesday night— yellow weather warnings in force for tuesday night into wednesday for tuesday night into wednesday for enn— for tuesday night into wednesday for that possible— for tuesday night into wednesday for that possible disruption . for that possible disruption. onnennee— for that possible disruption. otherwise it's— for that possible disruption. otherwise it's look to stay enenen— otherwise it's look to stay enenen ee— otherwise it's look to stay showery as we _ otherwise it's look to stay showery as we move into the second— showery as we move into the second nan— showery as we move into the second half of— showery as we move into the second half of the week as well

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hello there. f hello there. welcome back. i'm bethany elsey with the latest headunes bethany elsey with the latest headlines from the gb newsroom. a funeral service has been held for two british israeli sisters who were killed in the occupied west bank . who were killed in the occupied west bank. rina and maya de , west bank. rina and maya de, aged 15 and 20, were shot dead in their car by a suspected palestinian gunman near an israeli settlement on friday. their mother is still in hospital and is believed to be in a coma . their father, rabbi in a coma. their father, rabbi leo, led the service. he called them an inspiration and said he would love them forever. the attack comes amid a rise in conflict across the region as easter , ramadan and passover easter, ramadan and passover coincide . eid hartford