car by a suspected their car by a suspected palestinian— their car by a suspected palestinian gunman near an israeli— palestinian gunman near an israeli settlement on friday. their— israeli settlement on friday. their mother— israeli settlement on friday. their mother is— israeli settlement on friday. their mother is still in hospital— their mother is still in hospital and- their mother is still in hospital and is believed to be in a— hospital and is believed to be in a coma . the— hospital and is believed to be in a coma . the girls, aged 15 in a coma. the girls, aged 15 and— in a coma. the girls, aged 15 and 20,— in a coma. the girls, aged 15 and 20, wee— in a coma. the girls, aged 15 and 20, were born in london but moved— and 20, were born in london but moved ee— and 20, were born in london but moved to israel— and 20, were born in london but moved to israel in— and 20, were born in london but moved to israel in 2014. their fewer— moved to israel in 2014. their fewer ,— moved to israel in 2014. their father, rabbi _ moved to israel in 2014. their father , rabbi leo,— moved to israel in 2014. their father , rabbi leo, led the father, rabbi leo, led the service— father, rabbi leo, led the service .— father, rabbi leo, led the service . we— father, rabbi leo, led the service . he called them an service. he called them an inspiration— service. he called them an inspiration and— service. he called them an inspiration and said he would leve— inspiration and said he would love them— inspiration and said he would love them forever . the attack love them forever. the attack amm— love them forever. the attack comes amid a— love them forever. the attack comes amid a rise in conflict we— comes amid a rise in conflict across the region— comes amid a rise in conflict across the region as easter, ramadan— across the region as easter, ramadan ana— across the region as easter, ramadan and passover coincide . ramadan and passover coincide. ana— ramadan and passover coincide. and hertfordshire_ ramadan and passover coincide. and hertfordshire police says farther— and hertfordshire police says further allegations have been made— further allegations have been made against— further allegations have been made against the former metropolitan— made against the former metropolitan police officer , metropolitan police officer, dawe— metropolitan police officer, david carrick,_ metropolitan police officer, david carrick, since his conviction— david carrick, since his conviction earlier this year. we— conviction earlier this year. the guardian— conviction earlier this year. the guardian newspaper reports wan— the guardian newspaper reports than ten— the guardian newspaper reports more than ten people have contacted— more than ten people have contacted the— more than ten people have contacted the force with accusations— contacted the force with accusations including sexual aeeawe— accusations including sexual assault .— accusations including sexual aeeaau . wee— accusations including sexual assault . the cps is now assault. the cps is now investigating- assault. the cps is now investigating .- assault. the cps is now investigating . the 48 year old investigating. the 48 year old jawed— investigating. the 48 year old was jailed for— investigating. the 48 year old was jailed for life— investigating. the 48 year old was jailed for life with a ii— was jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 years after eamwime— minimum term of 32 years after carrying em— minimum term of 32 years after carrying out what— minimum term of 32 years after carrying out what the court meani— carrying out what the court heard wa— carrying out what the court heard a— carrying out what the court heard was a catalogue of violent ama— heard was a catalogue of violent and immi—

heard was a catalogue of violent and brutal sex— heard was a catalogue of violent and brutal sex attacks . between and brutal sex attacks. between zoos— and brutal sex attacks. between zoos ama— and brutal sex attacks. between 2003 and 2020,— and brutal sex attacks. between 2003 and 2020, nhs patients face amaiaiieiea— 2003 and 2020, nhs patients face unparalleled levels— 2003 and 2020, nhs patients face unparalleled levels of disruption. _ unparalleled levels of disruption. when junior doctors in imgiama— disruption. when junior doctors in england strike— disruption. when junior doctors in england strike for four days mem— in england strike for four days from iaeeaaw— in england strike for four days from iaeeaaw .— in england strike for four days from tuesday . that's the warning from tuesday. that's the warning mem— from tuesday. that's the warning from me— from tuesday. that's the warning from the national— from tuesday. that's the warning from the national medical aiieeiea— from the national medical director, professor stephen iewie— director, professor stephen iewie. me— director, professor stephen powis. he says— director, professor stephen powis. he says he's very concerned with- powis. he says he's very concerned with hospitals facing many— concerned with hospitals facing meaiw ioo — concerned with hospitals facing nearly 100 hours— concerned with hospitals facing nearly 100 hours without up to mam— nearly 100 hours without up to mm ei— nearly 100 hours without up to half of their— nearly 100 hours without up to half of their medical workforce. me— half of their medical workforce. me was— half of their medical workforce. the nhs confederation says a wearer— the nhs confederation says a wearer ei— the nhs confederation says a qaamei of a— the nhs confederation says a quarter of a million appointments could be postponed and appointments could be postponed ama a— appointments could be postponed ama a mew— appointments could be postponed and a new survey— appointments could be postponed and a new survey reveals more imam— and a new survey reveals more mam i— and a new survey reveals more mam i im— and a new survey reveals more mam i in io— and a new survey reveals more than 1 in 10 teachers have been aiweieaiiw— than 1 in 10 teachers have been physically assaulted by a eiaaemi— physically assaulted by a student in— physically assaulted by a student in the- physically assaulted by a student in the last year. the was— student in the last year. the wms amen— student in the last year. the nhs union says— student in the last year. the nhs union says teachers have been— nhs union says teachers have been kicked,— nhs union says teachers have been kicked, bitten and punched by been kicked, bitten and punched iw aaaiie— been kicked, bitten and punched iw papiie wmiiei— been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whilst1_ been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whilst 1 in 4 have faced— by pupils whilst 1 in 4 have faced verbal— by pupils whilst 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse from a parent or . ai— faced verbal abuse from a parent or carer . at the— faced verbal abuse from a parent or carer . at the union's annual or carer. at the union's annual eemeiemeei im— or carer. at the union's annual conference in glasgow today, mememi— conference in glasgow today, members spoke— conference in glasgow today, members spoke about how they'd aiee— members spoke about how they'd aiee ieem— members spoke about how they'd also been subjected to racism, eeaai— also been subjected to racism, sexual assault— also been subjected to racism, sexual assault and homophobia .

sexual assault and homophobia. at sexual assault and homophobia. iii ieaei— sexual assault and homophobia. iii ieaei few— sexual assault and homophobia. at least four people have been mined— at least four people have been kiiiea im— at least four people have been kiiiea im am— at least four people have been killed in an avalanche in a aeaaiai— killed in an avalanche in a www emine— killed in an avalanche in a popular skiing area of the meme— popular skiing area of the memeii aim— popular skiing area of the french alps ._ popular skiing area of the french alps . it's believed the french alps. it's believed the meme— french alps. it's believed the victims were _ french alps. it's believed the victims were hikers climbing in the victims were hikers climbing in me emeei— victims were hikers climbing in the onset glacier— victims were hikers climbing in the onset glacier near mont eiame. — the onset glacier near mont blanc. several— the onset glacier near mont blanc. several others have been immea— blanc. several others have been imiwea im— blanc. several others have been imiwea im a— blanc. several others have been injured in a search— blanc. several others have been injured in a search and rescue epeiaiiem— injured in a search and rescue eaeiaiiem ie— injured in a search and rescue operation is still— injured in a search and rescue operation is still underway . operation is still underway. iigm— operation is still underway. iigm peeaie— operation is still underway. eight people are not responding to eight people are not responding ie eaiie— eight people are not responding ie eaiie ama— eight people are not responding to calls and are— eight people are not responding to calls and are believed to sin— to calls and are believed to eiiii ae— to calls and are believed to still be trapped— to calls and are believed to still be trapped under rubble aiiei— still be trapped under rubble aiiei iwe— still be trapped under rubble after two residential buildings eeiiaaeea— after two residential buildings eeiiaaeea im— after two residential buildings collapsed in marseille. french aaiiieiiiiee— collapsed in marseille. french authorities say— collapsed in marseille. french authorities say an explosion eaaeea— authorities say an explosion caused me— authorities say an explosion caused the incident, but the cause is unknown . it sparked cause is unknown. it sparked a me— cause is unknown. it sparked a fire mai— cause is unknown. it sparked a fire that complicated rescue eiieme. — fire that complicated rescue eiieme. iiwe— fire that complicated rescue efforts. five people have been iaiem— efforts. five people have been iaiem ia— efforts. five people have been taken to hospital— efforts. five people have been taken to hospital with serious imiwiee— taken to hospital with serious injuries. three— taken to hospital with serious injuries. three motty nearby iwiiaimee— injuries. three motty nearby buildings have— injuries. three motty nearby buildings have been evacuated . buildings have been evacuated. yea-e— buildings have been evacuated. yea-e aa— buildings have been evacuated. yea-e up ia— buildings have been evacuated. you're up to date— buildings have been evacuated. you're up to date on tv, online , aaii— you're up to date on tv, online , aaia iaaie— you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and— you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and on tune in. mie— , dab+ radio and on tune in. mm is— , dab+ radio and on tune in. mm is .— this is. gb news.

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punst be doing it with three top pundits who haven't been told what to say. and they don't follow the script. tonight, we welcome nigel nelson, linda doebley and neil fox. and tonight i'll be asking my punst tonight i'll be asking my pundits are the junior doctors pay pundits are the junior doctors pay demands unrealistic? should the church of england set aside a fund to address their past links to slavery and is the eurovision song contest a chance for a cheeky entrepreneur to make some money out of this? plus your emails. even the spicy ones are welcome. gb views at gbnews.uk . mark dolan has one gbnews.uk. mark dolan has one golden rule. we don't do boring, just golden rule. we don't do boring, iaei big— golden rule. we don't do boring, iaei iig eieiiee— golden rule. we don't do boring, just big stories and— golden rule. we don't do boring, just big stories and big- just big stories and big epimieme. — just big stories and big opinions. so- just big stories and big opinions. so let's start with this . one is it time opinions. so let's start with this. one is it time that we start calling reality tv what it really is? torture what started as a television genre that looked at how ordinary people live their lives now delivers the entertainment of suffering. the latest evidence of this comes from a channel 4 show called scared of the dark. this

is where a bunch of celebrities have to survive, deprived of light. if it's in the dark, why is it not radio. but is it on tv? not radio. but that's side issue. it's a show that's a side issue. it's a show that's a side issue. it's a show that's based on some sensory deprivation . the basic tv deprivation. the basic tv development format here is think of something the geneva convention would not allow you to do people who to do. and do it to people who are decades ago. now are famous. two decades ago. now we're that contestants we're hearing that contestants chris we're hearing that contestants chns and we're hearing that contestants chris and paul gascoigne chris eubank and paul gascoigne came to blows during the filming of the show. who would have thought that was a good thought that that was a good idea? let's take someone idea? i know. let's take someone who's mental who's known for his mental health someone health struggles, someone who's known people, and known for hitting people, and let's if we can wind them let's see if we can wind them right happens on right up and see what happens on top of his well—documented problems alcohol, the problems with alcohol, the former england footballer has been bipolar been diagnosed with bipolar disorder , suffered with disorder, suffered with obsessive disorder obsessive compulsive disorder and bulimia. people are expressing shock that a tv show would put someone like that under such pressure. but they're missing point. under such pressure. but they're missing point . reality tv is missing the point. reality tv is now all about making people like that suffer . when i was growing that suffer. when i was growing up, being celebrity came with up, being a celebrity came with perks. you'd get nice treatment at restaurants the adoration

at restaurants and the adoration of the street, of people in the street, i guess. but now if you're a celeb, send the jungle celeb, we send you to the jungle to the bit of a to chomp on the bit of a kangaroo that normally only misses near . misses kangaroo would go near. it's not the famous who are it's not just the famous who are made suffer too. for our made to suffer too. for our entertainment. made to suffer too. for our entertainment . let's get bunch entertainment. let's get a bunch of who are obsessed of young people who are obsessed with their looks at an age when dating emotional dating really is an emotional roller watch them roller coaster and watch them get dumped on island. let's get dumped on an island. let's see goes. get dumped on an island. let's see goes . and this is see how that goes. and this is serious. island show serious. love island is a show that has death count. and yet that has a death count. and yet we plough shows that we plough on making shows that distress people more and more . distress people more and more. how long before we make a show called a celebrity? me called i'm a celebrity? get me out piranha tank . let's out of this piranha tank. let's see can cause some see if we can cause some fistfights island. we fistfights on love island. we like to think that moved like to think that we've moved on days of ancient like to think that we've moved on enjoyingys of ancient like to think that we've moved on enjoyingys day|ncient like to think that we've moved on enjoyingys day out,1t rome, enjoying a day out, watching some gladiators hack bits out of each other. how long do have pro celebrity do we have pro celebrity lion fighting ? currently, you can fighting? currently, you can watch where people get watch shows where people get married without ever meeting the person first and they up person first and they end up crying. that's married at crying. that's called married at first sight. there's one where celebs sas celebs get put through sas training. there's called training. there's one called naked , which would be naked and afraid, which would be a title for married at a better title for married at first sight. of us don't

first sight. some of us don't want to that kind of want to see that kind of suffering and if don't want suffering and if you don't want to suffering , scared of the to see suffering, scared of the dark might be a good idea. you can't anything. no can't see anything. there's no light . light. so what do you think? do you agree or disagree ? we gb views agree or disagree? we gb views gbviews@gbnews.uk. i'll get to your emails after the break. so reacting to my big opinion tonight , the brilliant set of tonight, the brilliant set of punst tonight, the brilliant set of pundits we have gb news senior political commentator and fleet street legend nigel nelson, journalist and broadcaster linda dudley, an old radio legend, neil fox join me. so let's neil, first of all, let's start with you. what do you reckon to this? have you been tempted for the reality would you like be reality tv? would you like to be tortured? no, want to be tortured? no, i don't want to be tortured? no, i don't want to be tortured. i've tortured? no, i don't want to be tortured . i've been i've been tortured. i've been i've been offered— tortured. i've been i've been offered mam— ”cc i've been i've been offered many appearances on all made— offered many appearances on all kinds ei— offered many appearances on all wines of eai— offered many appearances on all wines of aid ,— offered many appearances on all kinds of odd , crazy, stupid kinds of odd, crazy, stupid eeweii — kinds of odd, crazy, stupid shows. and—

kinds of odd, crazy, stupid shows. ' kinds of odd, crazy, stupid- shows. and normally my wife's a great ready reckoner for this because she just goes , are you because she just goes, are you serious? this is ridiculous. and mem— serious? this is ridiculous. and meei ei— serious? this is ridiculous. and meei of mem— serious? this is ridiculous. and most of them are. _ , this is ridiculous. and most of them are. and this i wmai— most of them are. and this i mean, what is— most of them are. and this i mean, what is very sad about mie— mean, what is very sad about mie-ie— mean, what is very sad about mie-ie weii— mean, what is very sad about this-is, well ,_ mean, what is very sad about this is, well, channel 4 this one is, well, channel 4 mave— this one is, well, channel 4 have mie— this one is, well, channel 4 have this habit— this one is, well, channel 4 have this habit of wrapping up programmes— have this habit of wrapping up programmes that are just really just programmes that are just really iaei pure— programmes that are just really just pure entertainment that mimi— just pure entertainment that miam ae— just pure entertainment that might be weird— just pure entertainment that might be weird or dangerous or maaemw— might be weird or dangerous or maagmw ei— might be weird or dangerous or naughty or provocative. and they try naughty or provocative. and they my ama— naughty or provocative. and they my and say— naughty or provocative. and they my and saw ii-e— naughty or provocative. and they try and say it's some kind of educational— try and say it's some kind of educational experience for us. t hey— educational experience for us. they did— educational experience for us. they iii mie— educational experience for us. they did this with— educational experience for us. they did this with naked- they did this with naked attraction where they basically they did this with naked attra

we've seen him slightly unravel in front for years in the in front of us for years in the papers , as wish in the papers, as i wish someone in the world of football who earn astronomical vast sums of money would just give him some money. obviously, he's hasn't got cash, meme— obviously, he's hasn't got cash, meme-way— obviously, he's hasn't got cash, meme-way mee- obviously, he's hasn't got cash, right? why he's doing right? that's why he's doing a program— program like this and just take aim— program like this and just take him away— program like this and just take him away .— program like this and just take him away . aii— program like this and just take him away . all his mates give him him away. all his mates give him cam-te— him away. all his mates give him some cash -to help- him away. all his mates give him some cash to help sort him some cash and to help sort him out some cash and to help sort him am because— some cash and to help sort him out because-needs- some cash and to help sort him out because needs help, out because he needs some help, deemi— out because he needs some help, aeeemi—maie- doesn't he, really? that's what he doesn't he, really? that's what me—mimk- doesn't he, really? that's what me—mimk garyl he needs a mate. i think gary iimekei— he needs a mate. i think gary lineker- actually. - he needs a mate. i think gary lineker actually. gave lineker did actually. he gave mim— lineker did actually. he gave aim—a- lineker did actually. he gave him—a numberi lineker did actually. he gave. him—a number of him some money, a number of aeepie— him some money, a number of aeepie-eeme— him some money, a number of aeeaie-eeme ama- him some money, a number of people come and helped him people have come and helped him em.— people have come and helped him am. am— people have come and helped him am. am me— people have come and helped him am. am me is— people have come and helped him am. am me is a— people have come and helped him out. but he is a troubled individual— out. but he is a troubled individual ._ out. but he is a troubled individual. has out. but he is a troubled individual ..has a individual. he has been for a ima— individual. he has been for a ieme am...— individual. he has been for a long time. and— individual. he has been for a long time. and should should the programme— long time. and should should the programme-am- long time. and should should the programme put him allow programme makers put him allow him:— programme makers put him allow aim—em- programme makers put him allow aim—emleaiwl him, even allow him on it really .—mew- him, even allow him on it really .—mew it- . because you go, i know it aieiaiiw— . because you go, i know it| aieiaiiw—teiiw . because you go, i know it- probably_telly, but probably makes great telly, but -ia— probably makes great telly, but -ia-mimi- probably makes great telly, but. no. -do-think-that no. what do you think about that ? makers ? do the tv programme makers have more responsibility? of course they should have more responsibility. iread course they should have more responsibility. i read a quote mem— responsibility. i read a quote from me— responsibility. i read a quote from the head— responsibility. i read a quote from the head of— c car i read a quote from the head of events, tom meek,— from the head of events, tom beam-mie— from the head of events, tom beck, this particular beck, about this particular programme— beck, about this particular programme-and- beck, about this particular programme "it; programme. and you're right, neil, couched terms of neil, it was couched in terms of being of pseudo being a sort of pseudo experimental stroke education programme in fact, i mean paul gascoigne has really serious, wide ranging mental health issues.i wide ranging mental health issues. i mean, saying that you've got a therapist along to advise you is a bit like doing a

marathon and giving them a first aid tin instead of a defibrillator. it's a ridiculous idea , but it's not really the idea, but it's not really the actual detail that's so concerning here. it's the overarching premise of why we want to watch something so deeply unpleasant . ant and you deeply unpleasant. ant and you hit upon it in your intro, which i thought was brilliant . you i thought was brilliant. you know, these are acts. they're mm— know, these are acts. they're not iam— know, these are acts. they're not just like acts that are forbidden by the geneva convention, actually deprive summer of light is in the geneva convention. it's called an enhanced interrogation technique . but why we would want to watch people doing that is completely beyond me. yeah, nigel, do you mimi— beyond me. yeah, nigel, do you mine mat-e— beyond me. yeah, nigel, do you think that's where— beyond me. yeah, nigel, do you think that's where the - think that's where the responsibility lies? c as think that's where the responsibility lies? c a5 ash; responsibility lies? it's us. we amaaiiw— responsibility lies? it's us. we amaaiiw ae— responsibility lies? it's us. we actually, as a people , not actually, as a people, not individually. people sat around on the sofa like watching shows where are put under where people are put under pressure. there's just something about that people about this story that people care too much about to see care too much about gaza to see him be punished. that feels like that's cruel. but in general, that's cruel. but we in general, millions people watch these millions of people watch these tv where people suffer. tv shows where people suffer. yeah think that there's yeah and i think that there's been— yeah and i think that there's ieemlieaiiw— yeah and i think that there's beenlreally sort—

“in?" and i think that there's been really sort depressing been a really sort of depressing eaimiai— been a really sort of depressing cultural change— been a really sort of depressing cultural change in— been a really sort of depressing cultural change in this country. if cultural change in this country. if you— cultural change in this country. if you remember,— cultural change in this country. if you remember, sort of go back 30 if you remember, sort of go back so weare— if you remember, sort of go back so years ama— if you remember, sort of go back 30 years and clive— if you remember, sort of go back 30 years and clive james and ome— 30 years and clive james and chris tarrant_ 30 years and clive james and chris tarrant were _ 30 years and clive james and chris tarrant were on tv taking the chris tarrant were on tv taking me i— chris tarrant were on tv taking me i om— chris tarrant were on tv taking me p out of— chris tarrant were on tv taking the p out of the— chris tarrant were on tv taking the p out of the japanese trial by oiaeai— the p out of the japanese trial by ordeal show— the p out of the japanese trial by ordeal show in— the p out of the japanese trial by ordeal show in europe's. and mat— by ordeal show in europe's. and that mai— by ordeal show in europe's. and ma ma aeeaie— by ordeal show in europe's. and that had people sort of tied to the that had people sort of tied to me wmeeie— that had people sort of tied to the wheels of— that had people sort of tied to the wheels of paddle steamers ami— the wheels of paddle steamers amii mew— the wheels of paddle steamers until they could— the wheels of paddle steamers until they could stand no more or ewoeiea im— until they could stand no more or covered in worms. but in fact i or covered in worms. but in fact i wa— or covered in worms. but in fact i aemaiiw— or covered in worms. but in fact i was actually watching a bit at of— i was actually watching a bit at oi me— i was actually watching a bit at some of the reruns of it this amemoom. — some of the reruns of it this afternoon. if— some of the reruns of it this afternoon. if you— some of the reruns of it this afternoon. if you look at that, ite— afternoon. if you look at that, its miia— afternoon. if you look at that, it's mild compared to what the eomeetame— it's mild compared to what the contestants on— it's mild compared to what the contestants on i'm— it's mild compared to what the contestants on i'm a celebrity mave— contestants on i'm a celebrity have to— contestants on i'm a celebrity have to 90— contestants on i'm a celebrity have to go through. so on the basis— have to go through. so on the basis of— have to go through. so on the basis of that,— have to go through. so on the basis of that, we— have to go through. so on the basis of that, we have a sort of situation— basis of that, we have a sort of situation where— basis of that, we have a sort of situation where we— basis of that, we have a sort of situation where we seem to have gone— situation where we seem to have gone back— situation where we seem to have gone back im— situation where we seem to have gone back in time— situation where we seem to have gone back in time and you've got it aoeoimeiw— gone back in time and you've got it absolutely right,— gone back in time and you've got it absolutely right, steve. mere— it absolutely right, steve. iiieie we— it absolutely right, steve. there we suddenly the it absolutely right, steve.- there we suddenly-the roman there we suddenly want the roman arena—mean, what- arena back again. i mean, what mae— arena back again. i mean, what mom—— arena back again. i mean, what maeae— ite- arena back again. i mean, what has—us, it's reallyi has happened to us, it's really amaieaeamo— has happened to us, it's reallyi unpleasant,_of unpleasant, isn't. and one of me— unpleasant, isn't. and one of the that the things i think that sometimes executives sometimes tv executives underestimate is the value of really fantastic, well—made drama to they see the evidence of their own viewing figures when they get them. but the truth of the matter is it requires imagination to commission and it requires commission them and it requires money to produce them. and

that's why we're not getting the television. i think we deserve is because we're doing everything shoestring. and everything on a shoestring. and i one thing you do have everything on a shoestring. andj i-one thing you do have to i think one thing you do have to aeo— i think one thing you do have to aid—whea— i think one thing you do have to add _when having. add as well that when having mamma— add as well that when having having been— add as well that when having having been around these of having been around these kind of mowe— having been around these kind of shows before— having been around these kind of shows before where they are cast iike— shows before where they are cast iiie mew— shows before where they are cast iiie mew ae— shows before where they are cast iiie mew a— shows before where they are cast like they are a drama, right? so aeooie— like they are a drama, right? so people wiii— like they are a drama, right? so people wiii oe— like they are a drama, right? so people will be sitting and going,— people will be sitting and gang, okay,— people will be sitting and going, okay, we want let's find someone -very de - going, okay, we want let's find someone very de camp. someone who's very de camp. ieie— someone who's very de camp. ieie-eomeome— someone who's very de camp. let's someone who's very let's find someone who's very memeamooio— let's find someone who's very homophobic, let's— let's find someone who's very homophobic, let's find someone woo-e— homophobic, let's find someone wiio-e aoeemi— homophobic, let's find someone who's doesn't like— homophobic, let's find someone who's doesn't like this , someone who's doesn't like this, someone woo-e— who's doesn't like this, someone wiio-e extreme— who's doesn't like this, someone who's extreme left— who's doesn't like this, someone who's extreme left and someone woo-e— who's extreme left and someone wiio-e extreme— who's extreme left and someone who's extreme right. let's try ama— who's extreme right. let's try and-my— who's extreme right. let's try ama-mw ami— who's extreme right. let's try and try and create a and let's try and create a situation— and let's try and create a situation where- and let's try and create a situation where people might explode— situation where people might explode because it makes good teiiw— explode because it makes good teiw- voo— explode because it makes good telly. you know,— explode because it makes good telly. you know, big brother was the telly. you know, big brother was me firet— telly. you know, big brother was the first dodi. _ telly. you know, big brother was the first dodi. .first- telly. you know, big brother was the first dodi. first series the first dodi. the first series mer— the first dodi. the first series raer owi— the first dodi. the first series was just dull. we— the first dodi. the first series was just dull. we watched people in was just dull. we watched people im-ama— was just dull. we watched people im-ama r— was just dull. we watched people im-ama it wae— was just dull. we watched people in-and it was quite- in a house and it was quite emeiiaimime— in a house and it was quite entertaining then in a house and it was quite- entertaining-thenlcourse entertaining. and then of course you worked— entertaining. and then of course you wowed-okay— entertaining. and then of course you worked-okay .- entertaining. and then of course you worked okay . now have we entertaining. and then of course you some?i okay . now have we entertaining. and then of course you some? 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tonight with trevor mcdonald, i thinprogramme. tonight now tonight with trevor mcdonald, i thinprogramme. toniiwe now tonight with trevor mcdonald, i thinprogramme. toniiwe used to itv programme. and we used to wrap around, get the story together, elements together, get the elements together, get the elements together and we to call it together and we used to call it fork contributors and an expert witness , a bit like the film witness, a bit like the film really, but you had to have these four contributors and they all had to tick several boxes . all had to tick several boxes. this is a news programme. yeah, that's that's what's that's the that's what's really worrying. because that worrying. yeah because that make— worrying. yeah because that makes sense for— worrying. yeah because that- makes sense for-programme makes sense for a news programme to achieve— makes sense for a news programme to achieve me— makes sense for a news programme to achieve tie-oi— makes sense for a news programme to achieve the of having to achieve the goal of having me— to achieve the goal of having the information— to achieve the goal of having the information ,_ to achieve the goal of having the information , the balance, to achieve the goal of having the of formation , the balance, to achieve the goal of having the of that, tion , the balance, to achieve the goal of having the of that, what the balance, to achieve the goal of having the of that, what we're alance, all of that, what we're aemiewime— all of that, what we're achieving with getting to achieving with getting people to mom— achieving with getting people to iiem ie— achieving with getting people to iiem ie me— achieving with getting people to fight is the most— achieving with getting people to fight is the most basic instinct of fight is the most basic instinct oi humanity,— fight is the most basic instinct of humanity, isn't— fight is the most basic instinct of humanity, isn't it? let's see aeooie— of humanity, isn't it? let's see people fau— of humanity, isn't it? let's see people fall out. _ of humanity, isn't it? let's see people fall out. and now it mime— people fall out. and now it mime-mew— people fall out. and now it turns they actually come to turns out they actually come to oiowe. —aa- turns out they actually come to blows. _at twitter. turns out they actually come to blows. _at twitter .i blows. yeah, look at twitter. someone, like paul someone, someone like paul gascoigne , and into a situation gascoigne, and into a situation like that. i mean, we've all lived with the problems he's had for 20 years and you don't have to be a psychologist to know you shouldn't shove him into a show like this because there's bound to be trouble. yeah, yeah. to be trouble. yeah, yeah, yeah. so, mean , will it ever change? so, i mean, will it ever change? oeeaaee— so, i mean, will it ever change? because as much— so, i mean, will it ever change? because as much sitting because as much as we're sitting mere— because as much as we're sitting here—producersl here blaming the tv producers ama— here blaming the tv producers and me— here blaming the tv producers and the production companies, were-waterme- and the production companies, we're-watching it.- and the production companies, we're watching it. it's we're the ones watching it. it's iike— we're the ones watching it. it's iiie peeaie— we're the ones watching it. it's iiie people sav— we're the ones watching it. it's like people say of— we're the ones watching it. it's like people say of the newspapers,- like people say of the

newspapers, think newspapers, oh, i think it's remioie— newspapers, oh, i think it's terrible .they - newspapers, oh, i think it's. terrible .they - news terrible that they report news iike— terrible that they report news iiie mie. — terrible that they report news like this. but— terrible that they report news like this. but then we all buy me— like this. but then we all buy tie-mave- like this. but then we all buy. the-have-salacious the ones that have the salacious mom— from i don't know, i've never watched— from i don't know, i've never watched a— from i don't know, i've never watched a single— from i don't know, i've never watched a single episode of love ieiama. — watched a single episode of love island. _watched- island. i've never watched a single episode big brother single episode of big brother and a single single episode of big brother and of a single single episode of big brother and of the a single single episode of big brother and of the jungle a single episode of the jungle one. i just like it. i really just don't like it. i really don't like. i have watched all of them at times because my kids particularly love love island and does. and look, and my daughter does. and look, iused and my daughter does. and look, i used to think,— and my daughter does. and look, i used to think, gosh,— 5: :g : and look, i used to think, gosh, where's mie— i used to think, gosh, where's am going— i used to think, gosh, where's am going to— i used to think, gosh, where's this going to end— i used to think, gosh, where's this going to end up? it'll end up wim— this going to end up? it'll end up with someone— this going to end up? it'll end up with someone dying . so in up with someone dying. so in iam— up with someone dying. so in aa, wee— up with someone dying. so in fact, we've had— up with someone dying. so in fact, we've had people dying. wow— fact, we've had people dying. wow ama— fact, we've had people dying. now and still— fact, we've had people dying. now and still they keep going . now and still they keep going. so now and still they keep going. so i— now and still they keep going. so i ion-r— now and still they keep going. so i don't know— now and still they keep going. so i don't know what will stop them — so i don't know what will stop them -i— so i don't know what will stop mem-i eaoooee- so i don't know what will stop them i suppose you can't them really. i suppose you can't met— them really. i suppose you can't we oiame— them really. i suppose you can't we oiame me— them really. i suppose you can't just blame the programme makers. iooi— just blame the programme makers. iooileoeiew— just blame the programme makers. iooileoeiew .— just blame the programme makers. looklsociety . look— just blame the programme makers. look society . look what? look just blame the programme makers. loipolitics. :iety . look what? look just blame the programme makers. loipolitics. look look what? look just blame the programme makers. loipolitics. look atiok what? look just blame the programme makers. loipolitics. look atiok vway? look at politics. look at the way reorie— at politics. look at the way people raw— at politics. look at the way people talk about each other in ooiiiee. — people talk about each other in peiiriee. wow— people talk about each other in politics. now - how - people talk about each other in politics. now how we talk, politics. now look how we talk, mow—abom- politics. now look how we talk, how_ about each i how people talk about each other on eoeiai— how people talk about each other on social media,— how people talk about each other on social media, in— how people talk about each other on social media, in the i on social media, in the press. i mean, we've sadly— on social media, in the press. i mean, we've sadly sunk lower and owe— mean, we've sadly sunk lower and iowei ami— mean, we've sadly sunk lower and iowei and i— mean, we've sadly sunk lower and lower and i suppose— mean, we've sadly sunk lower and lower and i suppose programme maeie— lower and i suppose programme maeie ro— lower and i suppose programme maeie to a— lower and i suppose programme makers to a certain extent are eiiemiw— makers to a certain extent are slightly reflecting is slightly reflecting what is going— slightly reflecting what is going em— slightly reflecting what is going on society. slightly reflecting what is going on .society. got going on in society. you've got to going on in society. you've got ro-meee— going on in society. you've got to-these things- going on in society. you've got to these things really to going on in society. you've got to appalled se things really to going on in society. you've got to appalled bythings really to going on in society. you've got to appalled by them. really to going on in society. you've got to appalled by them. so lly to going on in society. you've got to appalled by them. so llthink be appalled by them. so i think it's be appalled by them. so i think ir-e-aoaaiiw- be appalled by them. so i think it's actually watching it's worth you actually watching them — it's worth you actually watching them im— it's worth you actually watching them at ee— it's worth you actually watching them. at some point you might get hooked. — them. at some point you might get hooked. linda— them. at some point you might get hooked. linda that's what

mat-e— get hooked. linda that's what mar-e whar— get hooked. linda that's what that's what you're scared about. vow-e— that's what you're scared about. ware—moored- that's what you're scared about. you're—hooked on. that's what you're scared about. you'iisland. hooked on that's what you're scared about. you'iisland. we'll hooked on that's what you're scared about. you'iisland. we'll talk)ked on that's what you're scared about. you'iisland. we'll talk aboutn love island. we'll talk about it. — love island. we'll talk about it. -eame— love island. we'll talk about it. -eame-ael love island. we'll talk about- it. _same-as when it. it's the same thing as when someone that tastes someone has food that tastes horrible and they say, try this. it's watch this tv horrible and they say, try this. it's it watch this tv horrible and they say, try this. it's it will watch this tv horrible and they say, try this. it's it will waste this tv horrible and they say, try this. it's it will waste this tof show. it will waste hours of wow— show. it will waste hours of your-watching. - show. it will waste hours of. your-watching. .seen your life watching. i've seen me— your life watching. i've seen the obviously. seen the promos, obviously. i've seen the promos, obviously. i've seen the and i just think, the promos and i just think, oh my i to watch my god, do i want to watch someone eating kangaroo's or someone eating a kangaroo's or whatever it is they have to read? do. i hancock. that read? i do. i want hancock. that aemaiiw— read? i do. i want hancock. that was actually quite— :�* ::::i i want hancock. that was actually quite good. yeah. if was actually quite good. yeah. if-om— was actually quite good. yeah. ii-om a— was actually quite good. yeah. input a ioaa— was actually quite good. yeah. if-put a load of- was actually quite good. yeah. if put a load of politicians if you put a load of politicians in if you put a load of politicians mummie— if you put a load of politicians in-junglew-quitel in the jungle, that was quite mam.— in the jungle, that was quite mam-_a- in the jungle, that was quite funny.-a whole. in the jungle, that was quite funny. a whole load funny. yeah, but a whole load of mem — funny. yeah, but a whole load of mem -eowee— funny. yeah, but a whole load of them _course-them. funny. yeah, but a whole load of them course them in them, or of course put them in me— them, or of course put them in ire—wim- them, or of course put them in me—wim me - them, or of course put them ml the _with the lions. the amphitheatre with the lions. i the amphitheatre with the lions. i-ior— the amphitheatre with the lions. i-ior oi— the amphitheatre with the lions. i-lot of.might. - the amphitheatre with the lions. i-lot of.might. thel i think a lot of us might. the danger— i think a lot of us might. the danger ie— i think a lot of us might. the danger is that— i think a lot of us might. the danger is that you've got reality television moving that way and politics moving that way. and sooner or later it'll be like a venn diagram. there'll be like a venn diagram. there'll be something, you be like a venn diagram. there'll be something , you know, where he be something, you know, where he has hancock i'm a has matt hancock and i'm a celebrity we it. oh, that's celebrity we had it. oh, that's right. happened. sorry, i right. it happened. sorry, i forgot thoughts. forgot that. your thoughts. iieieome— forgot that. your thoughts. weieome om— forgot that. your thoughts. welcome on this- g your thoughts. welcome on this well. and welcome on this as well. and coming— welcome on this as well. and eomime—etom - welcome on this as well. and coming—story. the| coming up, the big story. the iaoow— labour party have vowed to eomimae— continue their controversial amaei— continue their controversial amaei aae— continue their controversial attack ads, a— continue their controversial attack ads, a step far for attack ads, a step too far for legitimate— attack ads, a step too far for legitimate political strategy. ire-ii— legitimate political strategy. we-ii eee— legitimate political strategy. we-ii vou—

in three. like . in three. like them.| . in three. - like them. welcome l in mee.— like them. welcome back l in three — like them. welcome back to the emow. — like them. welcome back to the emow. so — like them. welcome back to the emow. so me — like them. welcome back to the show. so the big— like them. welcome back to the show. so the big domestic peiiieai— show. so the big domestic political continues to be political story continues to be iaoow-e— political story continues to be labour's controversial adverts in labour's controversial adverts iii—rishil labour's controversial adverts . im—ieieiii samai labour's controversial adverts . inihis_rishi sunak labour's controversial adverts in his conservative rishi sunak labour's controversial adverts in his conservative government and his conservative government of—oime.- of being soft on crime. the eiiaaow— shadow home secretary, yvette cooper,— shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, _ herself i cooper, has distanced herself mom— cooper, has distanced herself from _claims. cooper, has distanced herself. from _claims that from the ad, which claims that somat— from the ad, which claims thati samai—eex sunak does not think child sex oaeee— sunak does not think child sex abusers should— sunak does not think child sex abusers should go to prison. but iaiow— abusers should go to prison. but labour appeared— abusers should go to prison. but labour appeared to be undeterred and labour appeared to be undeterred ama-aooaiemiw— labour appeared to be undeterred and apparently planning to and are apparently planning to commie— and are apparently planning to continue-attack- and are apparently planning to continue attack ads continue with the attack ads ami— continue with the attack ads amii me— continue with the attack ads until the election next year. ioimei— until the election next year. former editor— until the election next year. former editor of— until the election next year. former editor of labourlist and memo— former editor of labourlist and friend oi— former editor of labourlist and friend of the— former editor of labourlist and friend of the show, peter iawawie— friend of the show, peter edwards, joins- friend of the show, peter edwards, joins me now to talk abom— edwards, joins me now to talk about mie. — edwards, joins me now to talk about this. good— edwards, joins me now to talk about this. good evening, peter. i about this. good evening, peter. i mean— about this. good evening, peter. i mean, are these— about this. good evening, peter. i mean, are these adverts beyond the i mean, are these adverts beyond me oaie— i mean, are these adverts beyond me oaielie— i mean, are these adverts beyond the pale-is this— i mean, are these adverts beyond the pale-is this a— i mean, are these adverts beyond the pale is this a legitimate the pale or is this a legitimate campaign— the pale or is this a legitimate campaign-.— the pale or is this a legitimate campaign-- - the pale or is this a legitimate campaign-- i- the pale or is this a legitimate campaign-. i think. the pale or is this a legitimatej campaign-. i think it campaign strategy. i think it was an unwise move. the tories are no strangers to personal attacks. and you'll all remember tony blair and demonised from 97. but to me this was a bridge too far because it was first of all, it's way too personal . and all, it's way too personal. and secondly, it was essentially wrong as well, secondly, it was essentially wrong as well , because while

wrong as well, because while there is absolutely legitimate criticism to be made of the government for their handling of the justice system and funding cuts and the stats covered a ten year period and rishi sunak been prime minister for a fraction of that. prime minister for a fraction of that . but i prime minister for a fraction of that. but i suppose this comes hot on the tails of boris johnson accusing keir starmer of not investigating jemmy savile also. so not investigating jemmy savile also . so people at the time from also. so people at the time from oom— also. so people at the time from both oamiee— so people at the time from both parties distanced themselves- both parties distanced themselves from that comment, eawime— themselves from that comment, eawime-oaeea— themselves from that comment, saying based truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it] based truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems based truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems t0)ased truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems to bead truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems to be a truth, themselves from that comment, sayi it seems to be a sticky ith, but it seems to be a sticky meeeaee— but it seems to be a sticky message-that- but it seems to be a sticky message _that the message. erg is that what the iaoow— message. erg is that what the iaiow raw— message. erg is that what the labour party is— message. erg is that what the labour party is going for? i ion-o— labour party is going for? i ion-t mimi— labour party is going for? i don't think it's— labour party is going for? i don't think it's going- labour party is going for? i don't think it's going for that . and the boris johnson reference to keir starmer when he ran the cps and jemmy savile was a pretty disgusting one and it sank like a lead balloon. thankfully i don't think this is quite in the same territory, but it's still pretty unpleasant and it's still pretty unpleasant and it was interesting that lucy powell respect a lot as a powell, who i respect a lot as a very effective decent very effective and decent shadow cabinet minister, was clearly a little bit uncomfortable with it and very caveated in her remarks about it . as i say, there is a about it. as i say, there is a legitimate critique of, i think looks at the ministry of justice

funding being cut by 25% over nine years. but this is not the way to land that critique is part of the problem . i mean, as part of the problem. i mean, as though mudslinging_ part of the problem. i mean, as though mudslinging has- i mean, as though mudslinging has always been— though mudslinging has always been involved— though mudslinging has always been involved in— though mudslinging has always been involved in politics. but the been involved in politics. but me faer— been involved in politics. but the fact that— been involved in politics. but the fact that it— been involved in politics. but the fact that it is— been involved in politics. but the fact that it is so personal , mar— the fact that it is so personal , mar eeeme— the fact that it is so personal , that seems to— the fact that it is so personal , that seems to be the difference _ , that seems to be the difference here. yeah i mean, i mimi— difference here. yeah i mean, i mimi ite— difference here. yeah i mean, i mimi ir-e ome— difference here. yeah i mean, i think it's one of— difference here. yeah i mean, i think it's one of these unwritten _ think it's one of these unwritten codes we have in britain— unwritten codes we have in britain a— unwritten codes we have in britain a bit— unwritten codes we have in britain a bit like a bit like me— britain a bit like a bit like the constitution. ”i575" the constitution. so you refer to boris johnson claim that to a boris johnson claim that was extremely unpleasant. the tories had the demonised poster about tony blair in 97, contrasting him with that that bambi image and jeremy corbyn, who by all accounts was not very effective at all, but was repeatedly referred to as a man who hates britain, which don't who hates britain, which i don't think either, is just think was true either, is just his definition of patriotism was different many different to that of many others. so i think the personal stuff just the off. stuff just turns the public off. and this is another example of that. yeah that's one of the interesting points. i was heanng interesting points. i was hearing earlier hearing someone discuss earlier mar—oaemiie- hearing someone discuss earlier that backfire because that this might backfire because it that this might backfire because ir miem— that this might backfire because it might make— that this might backfire because it might make people actually mave— it might make people actually have-foi— it might make people actuallyi have _for-sunak have sympathy for rishi sunak oeeaaee— have sympathy for rishi sunak oeeaaee ire-e— have sympathy for rishi sunak because he's so— have sympathy for rishi sunak because he's so named in these campaigne— because he's so named in these eamaaieme. meee— because he's so named in these campaigns. these aren't just

eimoiw— campaigns. these aren't justj eimaiw—me simply statements about the conservatives _ simply statements about the conservatives the statements abom— conservatives the statements about ioieiii. — conservatives the statements about rishi. will sizziz; about rishi. well, yeah, there used to be a law that you couldn't other politicians couldn't use other politicians images and signatures and so on. in ads, and i believe that was been dropped in the last 20 years. so you do see a lot more of this type of thing. and david cameron as leader of the opposition, series of opposition, had a series of mocked gordon brown opposition, had a series of mocked a gordon brown opposition, had a series of mocked a bit gordon brown opposition, had a series of mocked a bit daft, gordon brown opposition, had a series of mocked a bit daft, which don brown opposition, had a series of mocked a bit daft, which was brown looking a bit daft, which was unfair. but but goes unfair. but but this goes further because it's further than that because it's obviously linked to child sex crime which are very crime offences, which are very serious, but the perhaps of serious, but the risk perhaps of sounding a little bit boring, i actually think having been a candidate and knocked on thousands doors, people , thousands of doors, the people, the reasons why people vote are very traditional waiting times , very traditional waiting times, classroom sizes , crime and yes, classroom sizes, crime and yes, we're all aware of austerity and austerity has been a disaster for this country delivered by the tories. but but the posters we've seen in the last couple of days are not the way to land that point , but that is that point, but that is what they're to isn't it? they're trying to do, isn't it? trying to become the this we may weii—iieii- trying to become the this we may well—well we'll. well have lost him. well we'll cut well have lost him. well we'll em to— well have lost him. well we'll out onto— well have lost him. well we'll

out onto my— well have lost him. well we'll cut to to my pundits on this cut to the to my pundits on this topic. — cut to the to my pundits on this topic. so— cut to the to my pundits on this topic. so if— cut to the to my pundits on this topic. so if you've— cut to the to my pundits on this topic. so if you've seen any of meee— topic. so if you've seen any of these pictures— topic. so if you've seen any of these pictures that have been meeea— these pictures that have been tweetea, ir— these pictures that have been tweeted, it is— these pictures that have been tweeted, it is some people saying— tweeted, it is some people eawimg mar— tweeted, it is some people eawimg that r— tweeted, it is some people saying that it could be causing , if momma,— saying that it could be causing , if anything, more sympathy for anything— , if anything, more sympathy for anything for— , if anything, more sympathy for anything for the— , if anything, more sympathy for anything for the for the labour party— anything for the for the labour mm to— anything for the for the labour may to get— anything for the for the labour party to get sympathy for rishi emai— party to get sympathy for rishi some might— party to get sympathy for rishi samai might go— party to get sympathy for rishi sunak might go the wrong way. party to get sympathy for rishi sunak might go the wrong way . so sunak might go the wrong way. so for me— sunak might go the wrong way. so for more-mie— sunak might go the wrong way. so for more-this, let's— sunak might go the wrong way. so for more this, let's go to for more on this, let's go to me— for more on this, let's go to me pumme— for more on this, let's go to the pundits. start with neil. wear-e— the pundits. start with neil. wmaie wow— the pundits. start with neil. what's your thoughts on this? wear-e— what's your thoughts on this? wmaie wow— what's your thoughts on this? what's your your— what's your thoughts on this? what's your your emotional ieeemae ro— what's your your emotional response to seeing it? well my emotiomai— response to seeing it? well my emotional response is weirdly , emotional response is weirdly, mie— emotional response is weirdly, this connects— emotional response is weirdly, this connects to— emotional response is weirdly, this connects to the conversation we were having abom— conversation we were having aiom ieaiiw— conversation we were having about reality tv— conversation we were having about reality tv and how everything— about reality tv and how everything ie— about reality tv and how everything is becoming this sort of everything is becoming this sort oi—a— everything is becoming this sort of—a eemaim- of blurred mess to a certain eeem,— of blurred mess to a certain extent, messaging that human extent, the messaging that human oeimee— extent, the messaging that human oeimeelmie— extent, the messaging that human beingslthis country— extent, the messaging that human beings this country are using beings in this country are using at beings in this country are using a me— beings in this country are using at the moment— beings in this country are using at the moment is— beings in this country are using at the moment is getting quite amoieaeam— at the moment is getting quite amaieaeam. — at the moment is getting quite unpleasant . and— at the moment is getting quite unpleasant . '“: �*" unpleasant. and i think if i think what labour have done here is look at how people talk, talk about on social about each other on social media, instagram media, on twitter, on instagram or of these different or any of these different platforms , and it's often not platforms, and it's often not pleasant. all about a one pleasant. it's all about a one headune pleasant. it's all about a one headline or a one word or a one phrase, and to a certain extent that the sort of messaging that feels the sort of messaging . probably thinking, that feels the sort of messaging . this)robably thinking, that feels the sort of messaging . this)robabl)a hinking, that feels the sort of messaging . this)robabl)a hiniof g, well, this is how a lot of younger people, maybe they younger people, maybe how they read information, how how

read information, how they how they actually take their information now in small bite sized chunks . and it can be sized chunks. and it can be unpleasant and actually , if it's unpleasant and actually, if it's not even true, it doesn't matter . put out there. . let's put it out there. i don't think actually, as your guest said, i think they've got this because if it this one wrong, because if it gets personal, i think it gets too personal, i think it actually turns people off. and i think irritated by think they just get irritated by it . it irritates me. clever it. it irritates me. clever campaign is are good point out problems. that's good. that's politics. but when gets to politics. but when it gets to this level you kind of wonder at what has politics sunk what level has politics sunk too? sadly it seems to me almost too? sadly it seems to me almost to reality tv level and that's not what i would like to see it. yeah, i mean, i'll take your point,— yeah, i mean, i'll take your aeim, nat,— yeah, i mean, i'll take your point, neil, but— yeah, i mean, i'll take your point, neil, but also linda, iii—om- point, neil, but also linda,| i-ii—om-ome i'll bring you in on this one mar-e— i'll bring you in on this one mar-e eawimg— i'll bring you in on this one that's saying almost as if the reason we shouldn't we shouldn't like reason we shouldn't we shouldn't iiieli— reason we shouldn't we shouldn't iiieli meam— reason we shouldn't we shouldn't like-i mean, it's— reason we shouldn't we shouldn't like-i mean, it's not- reason we shouldn't we shouldn't like i mean, it's not gone like it. i mean, it's not gone weii— like it. i mean, it's not gone war, mae— like it. i mean, it's not gone war, mae io— like it. i mean, it's not gone well, has it? this— like it. i mean, it's not gone well, has it? this doesn't seem to—of— well, has it? this doesn't seem to—of om- well, has it? this doesn't seem to_of on either- well, has it? this doesn't seemi to_of on either side to be approved of on either side of to be approved of on either side oi me— to be approved of on either side of the political— to be approved of on either side of the political spectrum . so of the political spectrum. so mie— of the political spectrum. so iiie ie— of the political spectrum. so iiie ie moi— of the political spectrum. so this is not just— of the political spectrum. so this is not just about politics meaoimo— this is not just about politics iieaoimo io— this is not just about politics heading to lowest heading to the lowest common oemomimaioi. — heading to the lowest common denominator. reality denominator. and like reality tv, denominator. and like reality “fr-lap— denominator. and like reality tvr.lap-up-- denominator. and like reality ivliao-ao. wo- denominator. and like reality tv, lap up. no one seems tv, we lap this up. no one seems to tv, we lap this up. no one seems io oe— tv, we lap this up. no one seems io oe lapping— tv, we lap this up. no one seems io oe iaooimg mie— tv, we lap this up. no one seems to be lapping this up. \:::i to be lapping this up. no, i ion-i— to be lapping this up. no, i ion-i mini— to be lapping this up. no, i don't think anyone has. and i

think if anyone was going do think if anyone was going to do some calculation on some kind of risk calculation on this, have realised this, they should have realised the that this the strong possibility that this approach backfire. think approach would backfire. i think there's , isn't there's a latin phrase, isn't there, which means there, ad hominem, which means that take the man and that you take down the man and not policy, and it's really, not the policy, and it's really, really . it's the politics of really bad. it's the politics of the gutter . there's no point in the gutter. there's no point in taking down sunak anyway taking down rishi sunak anyway because wasn't involved in in because he wasn't involved in in any kind of stuff about child sex offenders , because he wasn't sex offenders, because he wasn't in a position to be in the time penod in a position to be in the time period concerned. he wasn't, in fact even an mp for five of those years. and yet weirdly , it those years. and yet weirdly, it was keir starmer who was actually on the sentencing council during the period in question. and then on top of all of that, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, appears not to have even known that this was about to happen . that this was about to happen. thatis that this was about to happen. that is the woman who's in charge of the shadow crime policy, and she didn't know what was going on. so i don't know what's happening here, but i think the overarching my overarching view is that it's chaotic and deeply unpleasant

for the general public , i.e. the for the general public, i.e. the voter. yeah. nigel, do you think mie— voter. yeah. nigel, do you think iiie ie— voter. yeah. nigel, do you think iiie ie going— voter. yeah. nigel, do you think iiie ie going io— voter. yeah. nigel, do you think this is going to have— yeah. nigel, do you think this is going to have to end? wiii— this is going to have to end? iiiii mew— this is going to have to end? will they have— this is going to have to end? will they have to somehow phase mei— will they have to somehow phase iiieii way— will they have to somehow phase iiieii waw om— will they have to somehow phase their way out of— will they have to somehow phase their way out of labour, have to oiaee— their way out of labour, have to demo mei— their way out of labour, have to omaee iiieii way— their way out of labour, have to phase their way out of doing iweeie— phase their way out of doing tweets—well,- phase their way out of doing tweets—well, i. phase their way out of doing. tweets—well, i hope tweets like this? well, i hope they mean, what they do. i mean, what keir starmer promised is starmer has always promised is integrity honour in integrity and honour in politics. and this hardly sort of matches that test that he seems to have sunk to the level of personal abuse that boris johnson did at. and the whole point of keir starmer was that he would rise above that. now now the other point about this sort of ad is it's bound to actually backfire. does anyone seriously believe that rishi sunak jack wants to keep rapists out of jail? i mean, it's just an absurd kind of claim . so on an absurd kind of claim. so on the basis of that, i rather hope that labour would have pulled the ad by now and not continue with the campaign . but all the with the campaign. but all the indications they're going to indications are they're going to stick their guns carry stick to their guns and carry on with that. okay. and we've got the with that. okay. and we've got me im— with that. okay. and we've got the line back— with that. okay. and we've got the line back up,— with that. okay. and we've got the line back up, the- okay. and we've got the line back up, the techs working— the line back up, the techs working-90- the line back up, the techs working - go to the line back up, the techs working _go to the working so we can go back to the

ime— working so we can go back to the former-labourlist,- former editor of labourlist, ieiei—ool former editor of labourlist,i ieiei—oo woo peter edwards. peter, do you mimi— peter edwards. peter, do you iiimi mew-ie— peter edwards. peter, do you think they're saying they're eiawimo — think they're saying they're eiawimg wim— think they're saying they're staying with it— think they're saying they're staying with it just to save iaee— staying with it just to save iaee amo— staying with it just to save face and will— staying with it just to save face and will phase it out, or do face and will phase it out, or oo-imiw— face and will phase it out, or do-truly believe- face and will phase it out, or do truly believe the do you truly believe that the iaoow— do you truly believe that the labour-keep- do you truly believe that the labour keep sending labour party will keep sending us labour party will keep sending ae—iiie— labour party will keep sending ae—iiiie e - labour party will keep sending ae—iiiie e i- labour party will keep sending us_this ? i don't. us tweets like this? i don't ieiiewe— us tweets like this? i don't believe that this type of campaign will run its course and ihope campaign will run its course and i hope it doesn't. and you know, i'll give you another quick example . remember, ed miliband example. remember, ed miliband was described by sir michael fallon as he stabbed his brother in the back and he'd stabbed britain in the back within 2 or 3 minutes of that speech, he was condemned reporters condemned by reporters who normally independent and normally are independent and don't rush out with their opinions everything and opinions and everything. and the tories revisit tories didn't didn't revisit that topic again. now, one could argue was a cat argue that was a dead cat strategy . you say something strategy. you say something nasty hope it lodges in nasty once and hope it lodges in people's mind and then change nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmind and then change nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmirbelieve hen change nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmir believe this change nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmirbelieve this .iange nasty once and hope it lodges in peopibutmirbelieve this . um,3 tack. but no believe this. um, this campaign will be, you know, curtailed and downgraded and the sooner the better, quite frankly . do we judge the labour party maiemiw— . do we judge the labour party more harshly if— do we judge the labour party more harshly if this happened the more harshly if this happened ime-aroma- more harshly if this happened ime-aroma .- more harshly if this happened the-around , we'd. more harshly if this happened the around , we'd be the other way around, we'd be having—debate- the other way around, we'd be having—debate .. having this kind of debate. war,— having this kind of debate. well, that's— having this kind of debate. well, that's a— having this kind of debate. well, that's a that's a really good— well, that's a that's a really good question. _ well, that's a that's a really

good question. so i think something i find as a labour activist is that we're all quite idealistic erg and i think perhaps conservatives sometimes and i have conservative friends are perhaps quite pragmatic about some of their politics. i think there's always a risk for labour that that will say and labour that that it will say and you saw this under corbyn, we're nicer than the other guys and girls vote for us because we care a bit more . and similarly, care a bit more. and similarly, the have sometimes played the tories have sometimes played in of yes, we are in a strategy of yes, we are a bit mean, but we're competent, especially on things the especially on things like the economy. think of those economy. i think both of those approaches completely approaches are completely reductive because johnson reductive because boris johnson showed the tories not showed the tories are not competent and some of the events in labour last five in labour over the last five years have shown that while a lot folk lovely, lot of labour folk are lovely, they're always like that they're not always like that 100% time. everyone and 100% of the time. everyone and i do stress as an all sides every every party has lapses of judgement. occasionally okay. well for that . judgement. occasionally okay.j well-for that . that's well thank you for that. that's ieiei— well thank you for that. that's peter—editor. well thank you for that. that'si peter—editor of peter edwards, former editor of iaoowiiei. — peter edwards, former editor of labourlist. coming up next, weii— labourlist. coming up next, we-ii oo— labourlist. coming up next, we'll do three— labourlist. coming up next, we'll do three quick fire topics wiii— we'll do three quick fire topics wiiii-oamoiie— we'll do three quick fire topics wiii-oamoiie .— we'll do three quick fire topics with-pundits . we- we'll do three quick fire topics with pundits . we will ask, with the pundits. we will ask, are-ooeioie— with the pundits. we will ask, are-doctors pays- with the pundits. we will ask, are doctors pays demands are the doctors pays demands ameaiieeo— are the doctors pays demands unrealised btec._ are the doctors pays demands unrealised btec. should the cowor— unrealised btec. should the ciweii oi— unrealised btec. should the church of england have set aside

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ooiiiieai— pundits which includes gb news political commentator and fleet siieei— political commentator and fleet smeei ieoemo— political commentator and fleet street legend nigel nelson ioamai— street legend nigel nelson ioamai iei— street legend nigel nelson journal ist and— street legend nigel nelson journal ist and broadcaster iimoa— journal ist and broadcaster linda doebley— journal ist and broadcaster linda doebley and radio legend weii— linda doebley and radio legend weii ioe— linda doebley and radio legend weii iox .— linda doebley and radio legend weii iox . mee— linda doebley and radio legend neil fox . he's now a senior. neil fox. he's now a senior. iieoieai— neil fox. he's now a senior. medical professionals are warning— medical professionals are warning that— medical professionals are warning that this week's planned iamioi— warning that this week's planned romioi eiiiiee— warning that this week's planned junior strikes are— warning that this week's planned junior strikes are certain to put— junior strikes are certain to oai ime— junior strikes are certain to poi me wis— junior strikes are certain to put the nhs and a huge pressure on oo— put the nhs and a huge pressure on oe mow— put the nhs and a huge pressure on 96 hour walkout due to begin on 96 hour walkout due to begin on iaeeoaw. — on 96 hour walkout due to begin on ioeeoaw. mew— on 96 hour walkout due to begin on tuesday. they will lead to eameeiieo— on tuesday. they will lead to cancelled operations and what the cancelled operations and what me wis— cancelled operations and what the nhs national medical oiieeioi— the nhs national medical oiieeioi .— the nhs national medical director , sir— the nhs national medical director , sir stephen parry, director, sir stephen parry, eawe— director, sir stephen parry, eawe wiii— director, sir stephen parry, eawe wiii oe— director, sir stephen parry, says will be unparalleled levels of says will be unparalleled levels oi oiemoiiom.— says will be unparalleled levels of disruption. health secretary sieoiiem— of disruption. health secretary stephen barclay— of disruption. health secretary stephen barclay appears amwiiiimo— stephen barclay appears unwilling to— stephen barclay appears unwilling to compromise , as he unwilling to compromise, as he wioie— unwilling to compromise, as he wioie im— unwilling to compromise, as he wioie in me— unwilling to compromise, as he wrote in the telegraph that ieoaeeie— wrote in the telegraph that ieooeeie ioe— wrote in the telegraph that requests for a _ wrote in the telegraph that requests for a 35% pay rise are ameaiieiie— requests for a 35% pay rise are ameaiieiie .— requests for a 35% pay rise are unrealistic. erg.— requests for a 35% pay rise are unrealistic. erg. linda, what do you— unrealistic. erg. linda, what do you mimi— unrealistic. erg. linda, what do you think then?— unrealistic. erg. linda, what do you think then? so the compensation for 15 years below imiiaiiom— compensation for 15 years below imiiaiiom im— compensation for 15 years below imiiaiiom im pav— compensation for 15 years below inflation in pay rises , is this inflation in pay rises, is this ieaiieiie— inflation in pay rises, is this ieaiieiie io— inflation in pay rises, is this realistic to ask— inflation in pay rises, is this realistic to ask for it all in iamo— realistic to ask for it all in one lump sum? voice: realistic to ask for it all in one lump sum? 55“ one lump sum? well, i can understand why they're doing it. i don't know how realistic it is. but the problem here is. but the real problem here isn't so much that the teachers are money. are asking for more money. nurses for more nurses are asking for more money. doctors are for money. doctors are asking for more the real problem more money. the real problem is no in the economy. that's

no growth in the economy. that's the underlying problem. so until we get that sorted out and we grip inflation, that sorted out as well, these wage battles aren't going to go away . and aren't going to go away. and many of them are with some of our most essential key workers , our most essential key workers, those who have to be supported . those who have to be supported. junior doctors work very , very, junior doctors work very, very, very long weeks and they earn £55,000. now, that's not that much for doing what they do . i much for doing what they do. i don't care what anyone says. i think they do deserve more money and really, they're pushed right up against a wall. now they have to take industrial action . to take industrial action. that's that. nigel is it about me— that's that. nigel is it about the absolute— that's that. nigel is it about the absolute amount- nigel is it about the absolute amount that they get the absolute amount that they eei oaio— the absolute amount that they eei paid or— the absolute amount that they eei paid or ie— the absolute amount that they get paid or is it— the absolute amount that they get paid or is it more about mie— get paid or is it more about this building— get paid or is it more about this building up— get paid or is it more about this building up over the years not this building up over the years moi iawimo— this building up over the years moi iawimo a— this building up over the years moi having a pay— this building up over the years not having a pay rise that maieiiee— not having a pay rise that matches with— not having a pay rise that matches with inflation so ieeamiieee— matches with inflation sol regardless—get matches with inflation so- regardless_get paid, regardless of what you get paid, ten regardless of what you get paid, iem weare— regardless of what you get paid, iem years ago.— regardless of what you get paid, iem years ago. you— regardless of what you get paid, ten years ago, you would have in regardless of what you get paid, ten jtermsigo, you would have in regardless of what you get paid, ten jterms beenou would have in regardless of what you get paid, ten jterms been beingild have in regardless of what you get paid, ten jterms been being paid ave in real terms been being paid more. team— real terms been being paid more. team-iem.— real terms been being paid more. team-mem- ami— real terms been being paid more. yeah,-right. and that's- yeah, that's right. and that's their argument for this 35% pay rise. in answer to the rise. but in answer to the original question, yeah, it's unrealistic . there's no way the unrealistic. there's no way the government that . if they

government can do that. if they started paying out 35, they'd have it to other people have to pay it to other people too. but the junior doctors too. so but the junior doctors know it's unrealistic . what they know it's unrealistic. what they want is for steve barclay , the want is for steve barclay, the health secretary, to talk to them realistically about pay . them realistically about pay. steve barclay says, no, i won't talk to you till you call off your strike. so you end up with a stalemate. if still steve barclay would tomorrow , no, barclay would say tomorrow, no, or on tuesday morning, right, lads, come in. i've got a realistic offer to give you. let's talk about it. that strike will called off and that's will be called off and that's the it's gone . there have the way it's gone. there have been wiii— the way it's gone. there have been with previous— c 3 there have been with previous strikes the eiaim— been with previous strikes the eiaim mai— been with previous strikes the claim that no,— been with previous strikes the claim that no, there'll be no iaiiimo— claim that no, there'll be no iaiiimo-oi— claim that no, there'll be no talking of course, strike talking and of course, a strike wiii— talking and of course, a strike wiii-ewei— talking and of course, a strike will-ever-with- talking and of course, a strike will ever with talking. will only ever end with talking. it's will only ever end with talking. ii-e ime— will only ever end with talking. it's like-scene— will only ever end with talking. it's like-scene in- will only ever end with talking. it's like scene in that it's like that scene in that ieiei— peter capaldi, doctor who eoieooe— peter capaldi, doctor who episode _war,l peter capaldi, doctor whoi episode _war, of peter capaldi, doctor who- episode _war, of course episode the end a war, of course .lmae— episode the end a war, of course .liiae io— episode the end a war, of course .liiae io emo— episode the end a war, of course ,.has to end with— episode the end a war, of course , has to end with sitting , it has to end with sitting aomo— , it has to end with sitting around a— , it has to end with sitting around a discussing around a table discussing iiimoe— around a table discussing. iiimoe—mave things. yeah, you must have megoiiaieo— things. yeah, you must have negotiated some contracts in wow— negotiated some contracts in. wow—oaii your time. you always high ball at your time. you always high ball ai-oom-i— your time. you always high ball ai-oom-i vou- your time. you always high ball ai-oom-i woo .- your time. you always high ball at don't you , joe? at the start, don't you, joe? meii. — at the start, don't you, joe? meii. .— at the start, don't you, joe? meii. . oi— at the start, don't you, joe? well,-, of course- at the start, don't you, joe? well,-, of course you. at the start, don't you, joe? i well,-, of course you do. well, look, of course you do. and i think everything i've read about, none of these people want and i think everything i've read ab strike.ine of these people want and i think everything i've read ab strike.inmean,ese people want and i think everything i've read ab strike.inmean, apartzople want and i think everything i've read ab strike.inmean, apart from want to strike. i mean, apart from maybe a militant people, maybe a few militant people, they want to work. and they want to go to work. and like everyone , whether it's been

they want to go to work. and like nurses ne , whether it's been they want to go to work. and like nurses or , whether it's been they want to go to work. and like nurses or the lether it's been they want to go to work. and like nurses or the train' it's been they want to go to work. and like nurses or the train drivers,3n the nurses or the train drivers, whoever it may be, i suppose you just want to paid fairly for just want to get paid fairly for what the young doctors what you do. the young doctors have a really strained life, it seems. not that i've ever been one, but everything i've read and we know hours are and we know the hours are ridiculous. and although 55 grand like a lot of money grand sounds like a lot of money and not a small amount of and it's not a small amount of money for what they paid, money for what they get paid, it's suppose if you it's hard work. i suppose if you factor in inflation they reckon they they're like 26% down on what they were many years ago. so but that's the same i guess probably with the nurses and for everyone at the moment and teachers and i suppose as you said , nothing will ever happen said, nothing will ever happen unless people will sit down around a table and talk, but talk sensibly and i suppose they probably these are the kind of people you don't go into it to make of money to into make loads of money to go into the you go into it because it's a vocation, right? so for nurses the you go into it because it's a vo doctors,ight? so for nurses the you go into it because it's a vo doctors,ight?get for nurses the you go into it because it's a vo doctors,ight?get intorurses the you go into it because it's a vo doctors,ight?get intorurfor and doctors, you get into it for that reason. so i can't imagine that reason. so i can't imagine that the devastation , that they know the devastation, the cause with the problems it will cause with people having operations, the problems it will cause with peo getting having operations, the problems it will cause with peo getting emergency �*ations, the problems it will cause with peo getting emergency treatment not getting emergency treatment and others that aren't striking

will do the best they can because they always do. but i guess, you know, we've just had covid. we went through all that. we're there clapping every we're out there clapping every thursday night or were thursday night or we were for a certain that certain time. and it seems that that very quickly forgotten. that got very quickly forgotten. and is a conversation that and this is a conversation that probably been going probably should have been going on than it's been on a lot sooner than it's been going on. it's come to a real head and you just want some head now and you just want some sensible heads together sensible heads to get together and let's get round and go, let's get round the table, for everyone table, please, for everyone concerned, how can we best sort it there money it out there isn't any money in the know problems . the pot. you know the problems. but other hand, how can but on the other hand, how can we help you so this we how can we help you so this doesn't happen again? people to talk sensibly. you're optimistic,- optimistic, aren't archbishop of camieiiwm— optimistic, aren't archbishop of canterbury, welby used canterbury, justin welby used his canterbury, justin welby used iiieee-mom— canterbury, justin welby used his-sermon today- canterbury, justin welby used his sermon today in part his easter sermon today in part to his easter sermon today in part io oeiemo— his easter sermon today in part io oeiemo ime— his easter sermon today in part to defend the fund set up to aooieee— to defend the fund set up to address the— to defend the fund set up to address the church of england's oaei— address the church of england's oaei-io— address the church of england's oaei-io eiawem— address the church of england's past to slavery. the £100 past links to slavery. the £100 miiiiom— past links to slavery. the £100 million social— past links to slavery. the £100 million social impact fund was oieooeo— million social impact fund was pledged im— million social impact fund was pledged in january, and welby eawe— pledged in january, and welby eawe ii-e— pledged in january, and welby eawe ii-e moi— pledged in january, and welby says it's not post—colonial oaiii— says it's not post—colonial oaiii .— says it's not post—colonial eoiii . om— says it's not post—colonial guilt , but there- says it's not post—colonial guilt, but there was, quote, imooeeioie— guilt, but there was, quote, impossible not— guilt, but there was, quote, impossible not to respond. when we mai— impossible not to respond. when we imai we— impossible not to respond. when we see that we had— impossible not to respond. when we see that we had done actions mai— we see that we had done actions imai oemieo— we see that we had done actions that denied the— we see that we had done actions that denied the reality of god's amiweieai— that denied the reality of god's universal power— that denied the reality of god's universal power and love, nigel is universal power and love, nigel ie me— universal power and love, nigel is the archbishop— universal power and love, nigel is the archbishop right about

imiee— is the archbishop right about iiiee iieii— is the archbishop right about this? well the _ is the archbishop right about this? well the first question is, this? well the first question ie where— this? well the first question is, where did— this? well the first question is, where did he— this? well the first question is, where did he find this £100 miiiiome — is, where did he find this £100 miiiiome i— is, where did he find this £100 million? i thought- is, where did he find this £100 million? 3 5“. 5“ million? i thought the church was actually rather poor and an awful lot of them are falling down. so suddenly he brings this money out from the back of the sofa and says, we can actually make reparations for slavery . make reparations for slavery. the question is, should the overall question is, should you be making reparations and apologising for everything that happenedin apologising for everything that happened in our past history ? my happened in our past history? my own view is that it should be for things within living memory or where relatives are. relatives of people affected are still alive, where you actually can do some good. the idea of going back into history and constantly making reparations is difficult. however it's the it seems to me the archbishop's money, if he wants to spend it that way, that's his choice. i think that if the government started doing it and it was us taxpayers affected , we might taxpayers affected, we might have something to say about it . have something to say about it. yeah. linda, do you think yeah. linda, what do you think aooai— about this? i mean, we're iaiiimo—ioii about this? i mean, we're talking—lot the talking reparations a lot in the ai— talking reparations a lot in the ai ime— talking reparations a lot in the news at the moment. i know. i mini— news at the moment. i know. i iimi me— news at the moment. i know. i think the question here that think the question here is that the the archbishop the money, the archbishop is talking is the money made

talking about is the money made off the back of slavery hundreds off the back of slavery hundreds of years ago that continues to affect some organisations and some communities and some people these days. so a part of that money should go to those people. but i'm really against the idea that you continually pay reparations historically or right across the board has got to be a mistake because you just can't afford to keep doing that. history is history. it's happened and we need to move on. i think it's wrong all the time. i think it's wrong all the time. i think it's wrong all the time. i think the one thing i would say about i've read the archbishop speech is that he talks it not being talks about it not being attached to post—colonial guilt . i mean, he should just have left that out of it because what do we need to know that we don't need to know we don't need need to know that we don't need an excuse ? mean, like an excuse? i mean, like like nigel, i am surprised. he obviously looked under the mattress and found this amount of and it did surprise me. of money and it did surprise me. but we don't need any justification. quite justification. and then a quite long and incomprehensible splurge about the mercy of god. now, i was at mass this morning and i listened to my priest

sermon. i thought it was brilliant, actually. and i think sermons think sermons are great, but i think his to understand . and his was hard to understand. and the to me, the bottom line to me, it was a bit incomprehension. edible. yeah. did comprehend it, yeah. did you comprehend it, weiie — yeah. did you comprehend it, neil? _think- yeah. did you comprehend it, neil? _think i. yeah. did you comprehend it,i neil? _think i find neil? well, look, i think i find quite a lot of his speeches quite a lot of his speeches quite up his backside. i got to be honest, if i'm being- :. l. “ 5:5; i got to be honest, if i'm being really momeei— be honest, if i'm being really iomeei .— be honest, if i'm being really iomeei. i— be honest, if i'm being really iomeei. i oo— be honest, if i'm being really honest, i do. he's gone to hell. no.— honest, i do. he's gone to hell. no. view— honest, i do. he's gone to hell. wo- iieii i— honest, i do. he's gone to hell. wo- iieii i more— honest, i do. he's gone to hell. no. well i hope not. but i have to no. well i hope not. but i have io eaw— no. well i hope not. but i have io eaw ii— no. well i hope not. but i have to say, it doesn't— no. well i hope not. but i have to say, it doesn't always make io— to say, it doesn't always make sense to me. research has found the sense to me. research has found me oiweii-e— sense to me. research has found me emaieiie 9— sense to me. research has found the church's 9 billion plus oemeioai— the church's 9 billion plus perpetual endowment fund oiieimaieo— perpetual endowment fund originated partly in something eaiieo— originated partly in something eaiieo ime— originated partly in something called the queen anne's bounty , called the queen anne's bounty, wmiem— called the queen anne's bounty, wiiieii eiameo— called the queen anne's bounty, which started back— called the queen anne's bounty, which started back in 1704. but mere-e— which started back in 1704. but mere-e a— which started back in 1704. but mere-e a o— which started back in 1704. but there's a 9 billion— which started back in 1704. but there's a 9 billion plus oemeioai— there's a 9 billion plus perpetual endowment fund, so 100 miiiiom— perpetual endowment fund, so 100 miiiiom ie— perpetual endowment fund, so 100 million is fairly— perpetual endowment fund, so 100 million is fairly small. and out of million is fairly small. and out oi mai— million is fairly small. and out oi imai .— million is fairly small. and out oi imai . eai— million is fairly small. and out of that . but look— million is fairly small. and out of that . but look how they spend of that. but look how they spend mei— of that. but look how they spend iiieii momew— of that. but look how they spend iiieii momew ie— of that. but look how they spend their money is up— of that. but look how they spend their money is up to them. but on their money is up to them. but om ime— their money is up to them. but om me oiiei— their money is up to them. but on the other hand,— their money is up to them. but on the other hand, i suppose if you— on the other hand, i suppose if you ae— on the other hand, i suppose if you i— on the other hand, i suppose if you i mean— on the other hand, i suppose if you are i mean, there are so mam— you are i mean, there are so many oiaeee— you are i mean, there are so many oiaeee. eo— you are i mean, there are so many places, so many small wiiiaoee— many places, so many small viiiaoee oi— many places, so many small villages or towns— many places, so many small villages or towns now don't have a oeimamemi— villages or towns now don't have a permanent priest— villages or towns now don't have a permanent priest or anyone or a permanent priest or anyone or a mew— a permanent priest or anyone or a vicar, they have— a permanent priest or anyone or a vicar, they have to share them amo— a vicar, they have to share them and eo— a vicar, they have to share them and so sometimes— a vicar, they have to share them and so sometimes you don't you cam-i— and so sometimes you don't you cant 90— and so sometimes you don't you cant go io— and so sometimes you don't you can't even go to your local

mamm— can't even go to your local oiweii om— can't even go to your local oiweii om a— can't even go to your local church on a sunday anymore . church on a sunday anymore. iioaiom-i— church on a sunday anymore. wouldn't potentially out of the 9 wouldn't potentially out of the o iiiiiom— wouldn't potentially out of the 9 billion, maybe— wouldn't potentially out of the 9 billion, maybe spend some of the 9 billion, maybe spend some of me money— 9 billion, maybe spend some of me momew om— 9 billion, maybe spend some of the money on that.— 9 billion, maybe spend some of the money on that. so, i mean, in a— the money on that. so, i mean, in a way.— the money on that. so, i mean, in a way. you— the money on that. so, i mean, in a way, you employ enough oeooie— in a way, you employ enough oeooie eo— in a way, you employ enough oeooie eo mai— in a way, you employ enough people so that people can go to mamm— people so that people can go to mama—io- church. that seems to be a fundamental— church. that seems to be a fundamental thing about church to fundamental thing about church io—oiiiioml fundamental thing about church to i after_ billion i fundamental thing about church to after take billion fundamental thing about church to after take that billion fundamental thing about church to after take that amount left after you take that amount oai. — left after you take that amount oai. ixaeiiw. — left after you take that amount out. exactly. yeah.— left after you take that amount out. >o

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we've got a lot of oeooie-io ow- basically go? we've got a lot of people-to our city.- basically go? we've got a lot of people to our city. there people coming to our city. there aei— people coming to our city. there aei emoaoi— people coming to our city. there aren't enough rooms. they we're people coming to our city. there aren't to ough rooms. they we're people coming to our city. there aren't to puth rooms. they we're people coming to our city. there aren't to put our)ms. they we're people coming to our city. there aren't to put our priceshey we're people coming to our city. there aren't to put our prices up. we're people coming to our city. there aren't to put our prices up. good going to put our prices up. good imi— going to put our prices up. good iaei io— going to put our prices up. good iaei io mem— going to put our prices up. good luck to them. i— going to put our prices up. good luck to them. i tell— going to put our prices up. good luck to them. i tell you what, no luck to them. i tell you what, moi—m- luck to them. i tell you what,- no_in wimbledon no one complains in wimbledon wiiem— no one complains in wimbledon wiem—eamei when they do exactly the same mimo- —oeooie| thing. when a load of people amiwimo— thing. when a load of people amiwimo ai— thing. when a load of people arriving at wimbledon or the oiaweie— arriving at wimbledon or the players wami— arriving at wimbledon or the players want rent house, players want to rent a house, gooe— players want to rent a house, good-amo— players want to rent a house, oooo-amo oo— players want to rent a house, good -and do you - players want to rent a house,- good -and do you _what players want to rent a house, goo market and do you what players want to rent a house, goo market will do you what players want to rent a house, goo market will dictate what players want to rent a house, goo market will dictate if what players want to rent a house, goo market will dictate if it what the market will dictate if it wim— the market will dictate if it came with one— the market will dictate if it came with one case that a guy mai— came with one case that a guy mao-iiai— came with one case that a guy mao-iiai ioe— came with one case that a guy had-flat for five- came with one case that a guy had flat for five nights had got a flat for five nights for had got a flat for five nights ioi oeso— had got a flat for five nights for £450, the _ had got a flat for five nights for £450, the guy who was airbnb ing for £450, the guy who was airbnb ian ii— for £450, the guy who was airbnb ing ii goi— for £450, the guy who was airbnb ing ii eoi oaei— for £450, the guy who was airbnb ing it got back to— for £450, the guy who was airbnb ing it got back to him and he ieaiieeo— ing it got back to him and he ieaiieeo ii— ing it got back to him and he realised it was— ing it got back to him and he realised it was all for eurovision— realised it was all for eurovision going it's two grand mow-io— eurovision going it's two grand now-ito emamoe— eurovision going it's two grand now. to change the price and now. try to change the price and you— now. try to change the price and you 90,— now. try to change the price and you go. weii— now. try to change the price and you go. weiilme— now. try to change the price and you go, well, he can charge you go, well, if he can charge iwo— you go, well, if he can charge iwo-iiim — you go, well, if he can charge iwo-iiim gei- you go, well, if he can charge two-him get away. you go, well, if he can charge. two-him get away with two grand, let him get away with it. two grand, let him get away with i. lmo— two grand, let him get away with ii.lmo oe— two grand, let him get away with ii.lmo paye— two grand, let him get away with it. no one pays he'll it. if no one pays it, he'll ieaoee— it. if no one pays it, he'll reduce his— it. if no one pays it, he'll reduce his prices. that's how it woke — reduce his prices. that's how it woke .oriee— reduce his prices. that's how it works. .price gouging- reduce his prices. that's how it works. dd “55 works. see, price gouging is wrong . when people allowed wrong. when people are allowed to out from a really to profit out from a really awful thing, like a like some kind of terrorist attack or a conflict or something like that. people shouldn't profiteer out of a bad situation like that. but neil's right. of a bad situation like that. but neil's right . when wimbledon but neil's right. when wimbledon happens or in another big event

like that happens, market forces come into play. if the guy can do it and he advertises his house at a certain rate, he should be able to do it. yeah, it's not like you can't see it as well. it is available free on me— as well. it is available free on me ieiiw. — as well. it is available free on the telly. yeah,— it is available free on the telly. yeah, exactly. vii“ 5“ the telly. yeah, exactly. which is piooaiiw— the telly. yeah, exactly. which is probably where i shall watch it from. well the going up there you watch it but impressive you will watch it but impressive night year . you will watch it but impressive night year. okay. this you will watch it but impressive ni what year. okay. this you will watch it but impressive ni what happens okay. this you will watch it but impressive ni what happens with. this you will watch it but impressive ni what happens with an this is what happens with an unregulated free market that people make excess profits and pnces people make excess profits and prices go through the roof. so the argument here is it should be regulated a bit more . the be regulated a bit more. the poor guy who actually got his airbnb be for £450 and then gets charged almost four times the amount i'd have thought. he's got a good case in law to say, look, i did a deal with you at 450. you accepted the money. you can't now change it because that's contractual breach . that's a contractual breach. well, would have thought so. well, i would have thought so. imai-e— that's absolutely wrong. but i aom-i— that's absolutely wrong. but i oom-i—amwiiiimgl that's absolutely wrong. but i don't with anything that's absolutely wrong. but i don't with people anything that's absolutely wrong. but i don't with people anythi able wrong with people being able to oioiiieei— wrong with people being able to profiteer—event- profiteer out of a big event ime— profiteer out of a big event iiie mie— profiteer out of a big event like this if— profiteer out of a big event like this if they've got the oee — like this if they've got the oee -iaee- like this if they've got the space.-face it,- like this if they've got the i space. _face it, there space. but let's face it, there may— space. but let's face it, there may-eaiieieo. - space. but let's face it, there may-suffered. - space. but let's face it, there may suffered. “55 space. but let's face it, there- may - suffered. they should may have suffered. they should be charging is what

be charging is this is what airbnb should be airbnb is saying, you should be charging reasonable prices certainly bit extra. how certainly make a bit extra. how do reasonable? do you define reasonable? well, the do you define reasonable? well, ioe-aeiaaiiw— do you define reasonable? well, the-actually spent- do you define reasonable? well, the actually spent his the guy who actually spent his £450, rather £450, which he thought rather than the 2000, his argument was if it went up £50 a night, that'd be reasonable. i think that's about right. yeah well, i think there was a breach- 5 g“ / well, i think there was a breach of a eomiiaeiaai— think there was a breach of a contractual agreement and that's the contractual agreement and that's me ooimi— contractual agreement and that's me ooimi. moi— contractual agreement and that's the point, not the— contractual agreement and that's the point, not the amount they oieaeiieo— the point, not the amount they breached the _ the point, not the amount they breached the agreement, but he woaio— breached the agreement, but he woaio mave— breached the agreement, but he would have accepted a higher price- —iie- price. the irony, it's the eurovision song contest and we're making song and we're making a big song and dance about no. yeah, yeah. still we have still to come tonight, we have the 1030 full the papers at 1030 with full reaction brilliant reaction from my brilliant pundits. but coming up next, northern irish politician and peer hoey will be here to peer kate hoey will be here to discuss the good friday agreement. 25 years since it was signed

welcome back to mark dolan tonight. with me, stephen allan. this weekend marks 25 years since the historic good friday agreement was signed, bringing a measure of peace to northern

ireland after years of violent conflict known as the troubles . conflict known as the troubles. the agreement was signed . on the the agreement was signed. on the 10th of april 1998 by then prime minister tony blair, then taoiseach or irish premier bertie ahern. it was subsequently approved by public vote in northern ireland, as well as the republic of ireland and established the system of power sharing the main power sharing between the main parties, remains high on parties, which remains high on the news agenda to this day. the prime minister, rishi sunak, will welcome president joe biden to northern ireland on tuesday to northern ireland on tuesday to the anniversary . i'm to mark the anniversary. i'm delighted to be joined by delighted now to be joined by northern irish politician and life peer baroness kate hoey, who served as labour mp for vauxhall from 1989 to 2019. good evening, kate . so tell us of the evening, kate. so tell us of the significance of the good friday agreement. good evening . well, agreement. good evening. well, looking back 25 years,- agreement. good evening. well, looking back 25 years, it- g c: “i; well, looking back 25 years, it was wom— looking back 25 years, it was very significant— looking back 25 years, it was very significant at the time and the very significant at the time and me mime— very significant at the time and the prime minister tony blair, did the prime minister tony blair, oio pai— the prime minister tony blair, oio oai im— the prime minister tony blair, oio oai im a— the prime minister tony blair, did put in a huge amount of work to did put in a huge amount of work io gei— did put in a huge amount of work io oei ii— did put in a huge amount of work io eei ii over— did put in a huge amount of work to get it over the— did put in a huge amount of work to get it over the line. it was eomeimimo— to get it over the line. it was something that— to get it over the line. it was something that at the time to

mam— something that at the time to many reorie— something that at the time to many oeooie im— something that at the time to many people in the pro—union eommamiiw— many people in the pro—union community, was— many people in the pro—union community, was seen as the end of community, was seen as the end oi ime— community, was seen as the end oi me wmoie— community, was seen as the end of the whole question of people oemamoimo— of the whole question of people demanding a— of the whole question of people demanding a united ireland. it was seen as once— demanding a united ireland. it was seen as once and for all mai— was seen as once and for all ma ime— was seen as once and for all that the irish— was seen as once and for all that the irish republic had aeeeoieo— that the irish republic had accepted that— that the irish republic had accepted that the constitutional eiaiae— accepted that the constitutional eiaiae oi— accepted that the constitutional status of northern ireland would not status of northern ireland would moi eiamoe— status of northern ireland would not change until— status of northern ireland would not change until such time as me— not change until such time as me reorie— not change until such time as me oeooie oi— not change until such time as the people of northern ireland oeeioeo— the people of northern ireland oeeioeo mew— the people of northern ireland decided they wanted to change it. decided they wanted to change ii. amo— decided they wanted to change ii. ami oi— decided they wanted to change it. and of course,— decided they wanted to change it. and of course, you know, a ioi— it. and of course, you know, a ioi oi— it. and of course, you know, a ioi oi reorie— it. and of course, you know, a lot of people voted for it . lot of people voted for it. i eappomeo— lot of people voted for it. i eappomea ii— lot of people voted for it. i supported it at— lot of people voted for it. i supported it at the- lot of people voted for it. i supported it at the time . i went supported it at the time. i went along and over to northern ireland and campaigned for it. but if there were some very difficult parts of it releasing terrorists after a very short time was something that was very unpalatable to many, many people. but the overall principle was that this would end the killing. and of course, it did stop the very large, you know , very large amounts of know, very large amounts of killing that had gone on. and but it didn't bring ultimately peace in the sense of the two communities coexisting very

well. although things over the last 25 years have been better. but it's rather ironic , i think, but it's rather ironic, i think, that just as people are commemorating it, that actually the belfast agreement is now pretty shattered. you know, the stormont is not sitting and even david trimble, who was one of the architects of the belfast agreement, just before he died, wrote to say that it had been completely broken down by the protocol . so we're in completely broken down by the protocol. so we're in a situation where there's going to be lots of kind of memorials to it, but actually on a day to day bafis it, but actually on a day to day basis now it's probably the belfast agreement is broken and thatis belfast agreement is broken and that is going to require a great deal of fixing. so talk to us about the role that the good friday agreement plays in the disputes about the northern ireland protocol. well, i'll the ieaiiiw— ireland protocol. well, i'll the ieaiiiw ie— ireland protocol. well, i'll the reality is that— ireland protocol. well, i'll the reality is that the— : 5 well, i'll the reality is that the belfast 5545“: 5 well, i'll the reality is that the belfast good mioaw— reality is that the belfast good friday agreement— reality is that the belfast good friday agreement had nothing in it friday agreement had nothing in ii aooai— friday agreement had nothing in it about borders— friday agreement had nothing in it about borders and structures at it about borders and structures

ai ooioeie— it about borders and structures at borders all— it about borders and structures at borders all it— it about borders and structures at borders all it said was that it at borders all it said was that ii wamieo— at borders all it said was that ii wamieo io— at borders all it said was that it wanted to make sure there was no it wanted to make sure there was mo eeewiiw— it wanted to make sure there was no security infrastructure at me— no security infrastructure at me ooioei— no security infrastructure at me ooioei. — no security infrastructure at the border . and- no security infrastructure at the border . ' “: l. the border. and unfortunately, when the united kingdom voted to leave , the european union and leave, the european union and people in northern ireland had the same ballot paper saying , do the same ballot paper saying, do you want to leave as the uk ? not you want to leave as the uk? not do you want to leave northern ireland the european union ireland out? the european union , coupled irish , coupled with the irish government , realised that this government, realised that this was soft spot left to was quite a soft spot left to punish the united kingdom for leaving and that northern ireland. and they kept going on over and over again. we can't possibly a border or a hard possibly have a border or a hard border. they kept using the word hard without defining it hard border without defining it on island of ireland . and so on the island of ireland. and so ultimately our own government then accepted that there would be a border down the irish sea dividing our own country. so we're now in this ridiculous situation, even with the winds of framework, which was the recent changes to the protocol, hasn't really changed. the structural issue that northern ireland is has has been left under eu rules in the single

market for trading issues and under the european court of justice . and so as the rest of justice. and so as the rest of great britain diverges more and more from the eu , northern more from the eu, northern ireland will be left behind and thatis ireland will be left behind and that is now the main reason why stormont is not sitting. why the democratic unionist party have said they won't go back in and in the form of government that was set up by the belfast agreement. it has to be a form of power sharing, so it has to be the two communities working together and so, so sinn fein a few years ago brought down the assembly for three years. now the dup have brought it down for over a year and we're in a situation where biden's coming on tuesday . situation where biden's coming on tuesday. he can't situation where biden's coming on tuesday . he can't actually on tuesday. he can't actually even go to stormont to address the mlas because stormont is not sitting . and i think the whole sitting. and i think the whole thing would be a little bit of a hyping up of something that actually because of the action of our own government is, is no

longer working. so so if we pay attention to the news and realise there's been a rise in violence lately , do you think violence lately, do you think the motivation force is the issue to do with the northern ireland protocol or are other factors at work here? well , i factors at work here? well, i think that obviously- 5 �* well, i think that obviously there have aiwawe— think that obviously there have aiwawe ieem— think that obviously there have always been elements within the ioeoaoiieam— always been elements within the republican movement who haven't given— republican movement who haven't giwem ao— republican movement who haven't giwem oo om— republican movement who haven't giwem up om ime— republican movement who haven't given up on the violence aiiiiaoe— given up on the violence attitude towards getting what mew— attitude towards getting what mew wami— attitude towards getting what they want, which is a united iieiamo— they want, which is a united ireland and— they want, which is a united ireland and we— they want, which is a united ireland and we have seen breakaway— ireland and we have seen breakaway groups from the oiiieiai— breakaway groups from the oiiieiai .— breakaway groups from the official , you— breakaway groups from the official , you know, the official official, you know, the official rd.— official, you know, the official iioi. ime— official, you know, the official ira, the main— official, you know, the official ira, the main ira, provisional iioi. — ira, the main ira, provisional iioi. ima— ira, the main ira, provisional iioi. ami ow— ira, the main ira, provisional ira. and now we've- ira, the main ira, provisional ira. and now we've got the real ira. and now we've got the real ira who are responsible recently for the attack on the police sergeant in in northern ireland. just a couple of weeks ago. and we are you know, it is worrying . it is worrying because there are groups that may not be very big and they may not have the huge support that the ira had .

huge support that the ira had. but they're there and they have threatened, you know, and our security forces have definitely got intelligence that there wanting to, you know, make some kind of attack. and whether they would do it when biden is here, president biden , because president biden, because president biden, because president biden, because president biden hasn't actually shown much interest in northern ireland. he's he is very , very ireland. he's he is very, very irish. i mean , he even made irish. i mean, he even made a comment one day about, you know, made a joke , saint patrick's made a joke, saint patrick's day, which didn't go down very well about no orange when well about no orange hair when he was standing in front of a lot of irish people. so, you know, huge know, there's not huge enthusiasm for biden coming anyway. but i think it i think it's unlikely that the elements of republicanism would want to upset the american us in that way. so but yes, there is no doubt about it that things are are not good in northern ireland. and i'm afraid our own government has a lot of responsibility for that . thank responsibility for that. thank you very much.

l thank you very much. northern irish ooiiiieiam— you very much. northern irish politician and— you very much. northern irish politician and life peer baroness kate hoey. still to om ime— baroness kate hoey. still to come on the show, ann widdecombe come on the show, aim widdecombe will come on the show, ann widdecombe wiii oe— come on the show, ann widdecombe wiii oe mere— come on the show, ann widdecombe wiii be here io— come on the show, ann widdecombe will be here to talk— come on the show, ann widdecombe will be here to talk about the ieeaew— will be here to talk about the legacy oi— will be here to talk about the legacy of margaret thatcher ten weare— legacy of margaret thatcher ten weaie aiiei— legacy of margaret thatcher ten years after her— legacy of margaret thatcher ten years after her death. plus we-ii— years after her death. plus we-ii mave— years after her death. plus we'll have the— years after her death. plus we'll have the papers at 1030. im— we'll have the papers at 1030. iii meai— we'll have the papers at 1030. iii mexi im— we'll have the papers at 1030. iii mexi in my— we'll have the papers at 1030. but next in my take, at ten, aiiei— but next in my take, at ten, aiiei ooiiee— but next in my take, at ten, after police were- but next in my take, at ten, after police were called to the bodyguard— after police were called to the bodyguard musical, all i'll be aekimo— bodyguard musical, all i'll be aekimo ii— bodyguard musical, all i'll be aekimg ii me— bodyguard musical, all i'll be asking if the side effect of the ioekoowm— asking if the side effect of the ioekoowm ie— asking if the side effect of the lockdown is that— asking if the side effect of the lockdown is that we've forgotten mow— lockdown is that we've forgotten iowloemawe —

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to assess the legacy of one of the - influential- to assess the legacy of one of the influential political the most influential political iiowee— the most influential political iiowee oi— the most influential political figures of the— the most influential political figures of the century. and figures of the last century. and of course, myself— figures of the last century. and of course, myself and my oiiiiiami— of course, myself and my brilliant pundits will get stuck imio— brilliant pundits will get stuck imio aii— brilliant pundits will get stuck imio aii oi— brilliant pundits will get stuck into all of monday's front pages mai— into all of monday's front pages meai-oe— into all of monday's front pages imai-oe om— into all of monday's front pages that-be on the.at- into all of monday's front pages that be on the.at 1030. that will be on the.at 1030. more— that will be on the.at 1030. more eeai— that will be on the.at 1030. more great content coming your way— more great content coming your way om— more great content coming your way on britain's— more great content coming your way on britain's news channel. om— way on britain's news channel. ioi-ime— way on britain's news channel. but-the headlines- way on britain's news channel. but the headlines with but first, the headlines with oeiiamw— but first, the headlines with oemamw iieew— but first, the headlines with bethany elsey .— but first, the headlines with bethany elsey . steve thank you. bethany elsey. steve thank you. i'm bethany elsey. steve thank you. im oeiiaiw— bethany elsey. steve thank you. i'm bethany elsey— bethany elsey. steve thank you. i'm bethany elsey with- bethany elsey. steve thank you. i'm bethany elsey with the- i'm bethany elsey with the latest from the gb newsroom. a funeral service has been held for two british israeli sisters who were killed in the occupied west bank. rina and maya die aged 15 and 20. they were shot deadin aged 15 and 20. they were shot dead in their car by a suspected palestine gunman near an israeli settlement on friday. their mother is still in hospital and is believed to be in a coma. there father rabbi leo led the service . he called him an service. he called him an inspiration and said he would love them forever . the attack love them forever. the attack comes amid a rise in conflict across the region as easter, ramadan in passover coincide .

ramadan in passover coincide. hertfordshire police says further allegations have been made against the former metropolitan police officer, david carrick since his conviction earlier this year. the guardian newspaper reports that more than ten people have contacted the force, with accusations include sexual assault. the cps is now investigating . the 48 year old investigating. the 48 year old was jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 years after carrying out what the court heard was a catalogue of violent and brutal . sex attacks. between and brutal. sex attacks. between 2003 and 2020, nhs leaders are warning a four day strike by junior doctors in england will cause unparalleled levels of disruption for patients . the disruption for patients. the national medical director, professor stephen powis, says he's very concerned with hospitals facing 100 hours without up to half of their medical workforce. junior doctors will walk out from tuesday in an ongoing dispute over pay the nhs confederation

says a quarter of a million appointments could be postponed . a new survey reveals more than 1 in 10 teachers have been physically assaulted by a student in the last year. the nhs union says teachers have been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whilst1 been kicked, bitten and punched by pupils whilst 1 in 4 have faced verbal abuse from a parent or carer at the union's annual conference in glasgow. members also spoke about how they'd been subjected to racism, sexual assault and homophobia . at least assault and homophobia. at least four people have been killed in an avalanche in a popular skiing area of the french alps. it's believed the victims were hikers climbing in the onset glacier near mont blanc. several others have been injured. and a search and rescue operation is still underway . the king queen consort underway. the king queen consort and other senior royals have attended an easter church service at windsor castle. it was held at saint george's chapel and was the king the first of king charles's reign .

first of king charles's reign. the occasion falls on the second anniversary of prince philip's death. both he and the late queen have been laid to rest in the grounds of the chapel . the grounds of the chapel. you're up to date on online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is. gb news. welcome to mark dolan tonight with me, stephen allen. still to come, before 11 tonight- with me, stephen allen. still to come, before 11 tonight in- still to come, before 11 tonight in my iake— come, before 11 tonight in my iake ai— come, before 11 tonight in my iake ai iem.— come, before 11 tonight in my take at ten, i'll— come, before 11 tonight in my take at ten, i'll ask if our oemawiow— take at ten, i'll ask if our behaviour has— take at ten, i'll ask if our behaviour has got worse since ioekoowme— behaviour has got worse since ioekoowme oi— behaviour has got worse since lockdowns or am— behaviour has got worse since lockdowns or am i just becoming ieee— lockdowns or am i just becoming less tolerant?— lockdowns or am i just becoming less tolerant? it— lockdowns or am i just becoming less tolerant? it is— lockdowns or am i just becoming less tolerant? it is ten years eie— less tolerant? it is ten years ime— less tolerant? it is ten years since former prime minister iiaioaiei— since former prime minister margaret thatcher passed away and margaret thatcher passed away amo imm— margaret thatcher passed away and ann widdecombe will be here and aim widdecombe will be here to and ann widdecombe will be here io aeeeee-ieoaew— and ann widdecombe will be here to assess-legacy .— and ann widdecombe will be here to assess legacy . and of to assess her legacy. and of course,-take- to assess her legacy. and of course,-take a- to assess her legacy. and of course, take a look at the course, we'll take a look at the iaeiei— course, we'll take a look at the iaeiei iiomoaw— course, we'll take a look at the easter monday front pages, 1030 emaii— easter monday front pages, 1030 eiiam-ii-e— easter monday front pages, 1030 eiiam-ii-e a— easter monday front pages, 1030 eiiam-ii-e a big- sharp for that. it's a big eioiiee— sharp for that. it's a big stories, big— sharp for that. it's a big stories, big guests and always big ooimiome— stories, big guests and always big opinions. let's start with my— big opinions. let's start with m, iake— big opinions. let's start with m, iake .—

big opinions. let's start with my iake . iii— big opinions. let's start with my take . at ten. _ big opinions. let's start with my take . at ten. if ever there's my take. at ten. if ever there's a media— my take. at ten. if ever there's a media outlet— my take. at ten. if ever there's a media outlet that talks about the a media outlet that talks about me eiieeie— a media outlet that talks about the effects of— a media outlet that talks about the effects of lockdown, you ioamo— the effects of lockdown, you ioamo ii.— the effects of lockdown, you found it. but— the effects of lockdown, you found it. but here's one that we mimi— found it. but here's one that we mioiii moi— found it. but here's one that we mieiei moi mave— found it. but here's one that we might not have mentioned enough has might not have mentioned enough mae ow— might not have mentioned enough mae eoeii— might not have mentioned enough has our spell staying at home made— has our spell staying at home maoelioioei— has our spell staying at home made-forget how- has our spell staying at home made forget how to behave ? made us forget how to behave? kyiv— made us forget how to behave? kyiw voo— made us forget how to behave? kyiw you may— made us forget how to behave? kyiv you may-seen- made us forget how to behave? kyiv you may seen this week kyiv you may have seen this week the—performance- the news that a performance of the news that a performance of ime—io— the news that a performance of ime—io oe- the bodyguard had to be abandoned— the bodyguard had to be- abandoned—audience abandoned because the audience momma— abandoned because the audience were kicking ironically, were kicking off. ironically, mey— were kicking off. ironically, imey meeoeo— were kicking off. ironically, they needed a— were kicking off. ironically, they needed a bodyguard, one overenthusiastic_ they needed a bodyguard, one overenthusiastic audience member was overenthusiastic audience member eimoimo— overenthusiastic audience member eimgimg along— overenthusiastic audience member was singing along to i will aiwaye— was singing along to i will aiwaye iove— was singing along to i will always love you, which wasn't a eemiimemi— always love you, which wasn't a sentiment shared— always love you, which wasn't a sentiment shared by the people sat sentiment shared by the people eai-ieea— sentiment shared by the people eai-iei-ii— sentiment shared by the people sat-her-it led- sentiment shared by the people sat-her-it led to- sentiment shared by the people sat-her-it led to a- sat near her and it led to a eeaiiie— sat near her and it led to a scuffle. - lights - sat near her and it led to a scuffle. lights were dropped scuffle. the lights were dropped lmie— scuffle. the lights were dropped .-mie-eai.— scuffle. the lights were dropped lmie-eai. ime- scuffle. the lights were dropped , mic cut. the show was , the mic was cut. the show was over because behaviour of over because of the behaviour of someone-wouldn't- over because of the behaviour of someone wouldn't just someone who wouldn't just sit mere— someone who wouldn't just sit imeie—iiiey- someone who wouldn't just sit there—they have. someone who wouldn't just sit. there—they have signs there and watch. they have signs at there and watch. they have signs ai-imeee— there and watch. they have signs ai-meee oaye- there and watch. they have signs at these days saying , at musicals these days saying, iieaee— at musicals these days saying, iieaeelmoi— at musicals these days saying, please i not sing _ at musicals these days saying, please not sing along, but please do not sing along, but imaoime— please do not sing along, but imagine-eo— please do not sing along, but imagine so entitled or imagine being so entitled or ameeii— imagine being so entitled or unself aware— imagine being so entitled or unself aware that you think it's aooai— unself aware that you think it's aooai you— unself aware that you think it's about you doing— unself aware that you think it's about you doing what you want to do. about you doing what you want to oo-iiiie— about you doing what you want to oo-imie omiy— about you doing what you want to do.-this only seems- about you doing what you want to do. this only seems to be do. now this only seems to be a oiooiem — do. now this only seems to be a oiooiem ai— do. now this only seems to be a oiooiem ai ime— do. now this only seems to be a problem at the theatre. i maven-i— problem at the theatre. i haven't spotted any stories yet aooai— haven't spotted any stories yet aoooi reorie— haven't spotted any stories yet about people turning the about people turning up to the opera—oi- about people turning up to the opera—oi aeo- about people turning up to the| opera _of red wine opera with a bottle of red wine miooem— opera with a bottle of red wine iiiooem im— opera with a bottle of red wine hidden in their— opera with a bottle of red wine hidden in their bag and the urge to hidden in their bag and the urge io-oizei-e— hidden in their bag and the urge to-bizet's carmen- hidden in their bag and the urge to bizet's carmen and to knock out bizet's carmen and maybe—ioi- maybe it's our fault for changing— maybe it's our fault for changing kind maybe it's our fault for- changing-kindlmusicals changing the kind of musicals mai— changing the kind of musicals meai-meee- changing the kind of musicals that-these days.- changing the kind of musicals that these days. we are that we make these days. we are

so that we make these days. we are eo aeeo— that we make these days. we are so used-jukebox— that we make these days. we are so used jukebox musicals so used to jukebox musicals wiieie— so used to jukebox musicals wiieie imey— so used to jukebox musicals where they deliberately pick eomoe— where they deliberately pick eomge mai— where they deliberately pick songs that people to sing songs that people love to sing aiomo— songs that people love to sing aiomol— songs that people love to sing aiomol. eai— songs that people love to sing along . but wouldn't you think along to. but wouldn't you think aooai— along to. but wouldn't you thinki aooai—eweiyome about the enjoyment of everyone eiee— about the enjoyment of everyone eiee-yoae— about the enjoyment of everyone eiee-yoae voo- about the enjoyment of everyone else you? you certainly else sat near you? you certainly woaio—iike- else sat near you? you certainly would—like-now.| would if you sing like me now. oeiiawiow— would if you sing like me now. behaviour at— would if you sing like me now. behaviour at some— would if you sing like me now. behaviour at some stand up gigs, i've behaviour at some stand up gigs, i-we moiieeo— behaviour at some stand up gigs, i've noticed has— behaviour at some stand up gigs, i've noticed has got— behaviour at some stand up gigs, i've noticed has got worse. some gigs— i've noticed has got worse. some eioe-moimai— i've noticed has got worse. some gigs normal audience gigs even normal audience memeoe— gigs even normal audience memeoe aci— gigs even normal audience members act like they're in a mem— members act like they're in a iem-.— members act like they're in a mem-. oy— members act like they're in a mem-. oy me- members act like they're in a. mem-. oy ime-are hen to induce. by the way, are oar-oieoaioi- hen to induce. by the way, are oar-oieoaioi .- hen to induce. by the way, are our predator. there is our natural predator. there is momma— our natural predator. there is moimimg me— our natural predator. there is nothing more worrying than walking— nothing more worrying than waikimo-amo- nothing more worrying than walking and seeing walking on stage and seeing an i—oiaie— walking on stage and seeing an i—oiaie-amo- walking on stage and seeing an l—plate-and some- walking on stage and seeing an l—plate and some of l—plate l—plates and some of mem— l—plate l—plates and some of imem iook— l—plate l—plates and some of them look like— l—plate l—plates and some of them look like they could sit mere— them look like they could sit there advanced.— them look like they could sit there advanced. and that's a eomoiimemi— there advanced. and that's a- compliment-commented compliment. now i've commented to compliment. now i've commented io—aooail to some other comedians about ammiy— unruly audiences, saying, i bet mey— unruly audiences, saying, i bet iiiey woaiom-i— unruly audiences, saying, i bet they wouldn't act— unruly audiences, saying, i bet they wouldn't act like that if imey— they wouldn't act like that if imey-ooimo— they wouldn't act like that if. they-going-cinema. they were going to the cinema. amo— they were going to the cinema. me me— they were going to the cinema. and the other— they were going to the cinema. and the other comedians point out and the other comedians point oai-maei— and the other comedians point out-must have- and the other comedians point out must have been out that it must have been a iome—ieem- out that it must have been a. iome—ieemliiie long time since i've been to the cinema _ are filled i cinema because they are filled wim— with people on their phones eaiimo— with people on their phones eating—course. with people on their phones. eating—course meal eating their three course meal wiiiie— eating their three course meal wiiiie iaikimo— eating their three course meal while talking all— eating their three course meal while talking all way while talking all the way imoaoii— while talking all the way through _and. while talking all the way. through _and that's through the film. and that's ime— through the film. and that's iime wiiem— through the film. and that's fine when you're doing that . sat fine when you're doing that. sat in fine when you're doing that. sat mowm—— fine when you're doing that. sat in _own netflix- in front of your own netflix owing—eai- in front of your own netflix- during—but-that during lockdown. but now thati we're—multiplex we're back out in the multiplex . we-oe— we're back out in the multiplexi , we - be _considerate , we should be more considerate aoaim— , we should be more considerate aoaim .— , we should be more considerate aoaim . ie— , we should be more considerate aoaim . ie mie— , we should be more considerate again . is this because again. is this because we weei— again. is this because we weren't sociable for a while? i ii-e— weren't sociable for a while? i mean, it's impacted my ability to mean, it's impacted my ability io-iaik.— mean, it's impacted my ability to-talklhave- mean, it's impacted my ability. to _talklhave awkward to do small talk. i have awkward eiiemeee—oai- silences before blurting out i ime— silences before blurting out i iike siai— silences before blurting out i like star wars— silences before blurting out i like star wars and then going off like star wars and then going

oii io— like star wars and then going oii io gei— like star wars and then going off to get another drink. ioeeemiiy— off to get another drink. recently heard how british recently we heard how british holidaymakers— recently we heard how british holidaymakers spain could holidaymakers in spain could iaee— holidaymakers in spain could iaee oeso— holidaymakers in spain could face £688 fines— holidaymakers in spain could face £688 fines after the costa del face £688 fines after the costa oei soi— face £688 fines after the costa oei soi mae— face £688 fines after the costa del sol has been— face £688 fines after the costa del sol has been cracking down on del sol has been cracking down om eiao— del sol has been cracking down om eiae oamiee.— del sol has been cracking down on stag parties. new rules imeiaoe— on stag parties. new rules imeiaoe a— on stag parties. new rules include a ban— on stag parties. new rules include a ban on underwear and i hope— include a ban on underwear and i more mey— include a ban on underwear and i more iiiey explain_ include a ban on underwear and i hope they explain that that means showing it, not wearing it . so— means showing it, not wearing it . so mim— means showing it, not wearing it . so think about— means showing it, not wearing it . so think about that. c35. 5 . so think about that. our ieiawioai— . so think about that. our behaviour is— . so think about that. our behaviour is so— . so think about that. our behaviour is so bad. . so think about that. c35. 5 35: other behaviour is so bad. other countries are 35: other countries are bringing in new miee— countries are bringing in new miee io— countries are bringing in new rules to counter— countries are bringing in new rules to counter it. but has mere— rules to counter it. but has there actually— rules to counter it. but has there actually been a decline in there actually been a decline in me eiamoaio— there actually been a decline in the standard of— there actually been a decline in the standard of behaviour or am i the standard of behaviour or am i eimoiy— the standard of behaviour or am i simply getting— the standard of behaviour or am i simply getting older and moamimo— i simply getting older and moaning more? i can't blame that on moaning more? i can't blame that om-ioekoowme— moaning more? i can't blame that om-ioekoowme .— moaning more? i can't blame that on-lockdowns . so— moaning more? i can't blame that on lockdowns . so what do you on the lockdowns. so what do you mim— on the lockdowns. so what do you imimk e— on the lockdowns. so what do you imimk o oo— on the lockdowns. so what do you imimk o oo you— on the lockdowns. so what do you think ? do you agree— on the lockdowns. so what do you think ? do you agree or disagree? think? do you agree or disagree? gb think? do you agree or disagree? oo newe— think? do you agree or disagree? oo wewe ai— think? do you agree or disagree? gb news at gbnews.uk and i'll get gb news at gbnews.uk and i'll oei yow— gb news at gbnews.uk and i'll oei yow emaiie— gb news at gbnews.uk and i'll get your emails after the break by ieaeiimo— get your emails after the break by ieaeiime io— get your emails after the break by reacting to my— get your emails after the break by reacting to my take at ten iomioiei— by reacting to my take at ten iomioiii. ii-e— by reacting to my take at ten tonight, it's gb— by reacting to my take at ten tonight, it's gb news senior ooiiiieai— tonight, it's gb news senior political commentator and fleet siieei— political commentator and fleet smeei ieeemo— political commentator and fleet street legend nigel nelson, roomaiiei— street legend nigel nelson, journalist and— street legend nigel nelson, journalist and broadcaster linda ooaoie— journalist and broadcaster linda dougie beattie_ journalist and broadcaster linda dougie beattie and radio legend weii— dougie beattie and radio legend weii iow— dougie beattie and radio legend weii iox .— dougie beattie and radio legend weii iox . oo— dougie beattie and radio legend neil fox . so we'll— dougie beattie and radio legend neil fox . so we'll start. neil, neil fox. so we'll start. neil, do you— neil fox. so we'll start. neil, do you mave— neil fox. so we'll start. neil, do you have you— neil fox. so we'll start. neil, do you have you noticed the oiee— do you have you noticed the audiences are— do you have you noticed the audiences are getting a little

ieee— audiences are getting a little ieee eaey— audiences are getting a little ieee eaey io— audiences are getting a little less easy to control ? 35554: less easy to control? well, i iiooeii— less easy to control? well, i thought your monologue was interesting because there are lots more jukebox musicals , lots more jukebox musicals, close inverted commas, being made now, which is in a way , an made now, which is in a way, an easy way to fill up theatres songs. so so you go along knowing exactly what kind of songs you're going to get, whether it's grease or, you know , there are so many out there now, and this is obviously one of bodyguard turn great of them. bodyguard turn great movies know all the movies where we know all the songs a stage adaptation. songs into a stage adaptation. the hard thing is, of course, we know songs . we've heard know the songs. we've heard them all radio. play them on all on the radio. i play them on the radio, people do. and people all on the radio. i play them on the ra how people do. and people all on the radio. i play them on the rahow to>ple do. and people all on the radio. i play them on the rahow to sing do. and people all on the radio. i play them on the rahow to sing alongd people all on the radio. i play them on the rahow to sing along and ople all on the radio. i play them on the rahow to sing along and want know how to sing along and want to along. and that's to sing along. and that's part of they're to of the reason they're chosen to be in those musicals. so it's quite i can slightly sympathise on the other hand, it must be a real pain in the rear end if you're there enjoying some, you know, amazing singer do i will always you and you got always love you and you got someone you doesn't someone behind you who doesn't sound good trying to warble sound that good trying to warble away their version. away and give it their version. and want to go. and you'd probably want to go. please, quiet. we're trying to watch. keeps going, i

watch. but if it keeps going, i can understand. i mean, this turned into a proper fight, isn't full on fight where turned into a proper fight, isn' bouncersl on fight where turned into a proper fight, isn' bouncers needed it where turned into a proper fight, isn' bouncers needed to where turned into a proper fight, isn' bouncers needed to be re turned into a proper fight, isn' bouncers needed to be court the bouncers needed to be court security and it all gets completely out of hand and then the stops. how tragic. now the show stops. how tragic. now there in all these there are signs in all these theatres saying, please don't sing along, which seems slightly insane. i mean, obviously with stuff like, you know, phantom or les mis it's much harder to les mis, it's much harder to sing when you the sing along when you know all the words. lot easier. yeah, words. it is a lot easier. yeah, but mean, people just need to but i mean, people just need to shut up have some respect shut up and have some respect also the people who are on also for the people who are on stage. you've money go stage. you've paid money to go and musicals out and see. there are musicals out there you to sing there designed for you to sing along movie versions along or movie versions where the words come up on screen, the words come up on the screen, go that or go do karaoke. go do that or go do karaoke. don't do in the theatre. yeah. even though i might know all the words miz, range words to les miz, it's the range . that's why can't sing along . that's why i can't sing along ._n..r.,_ . that's why i can't sing along ._rr..r., oo- . that's why i can't sing along .-linda, do you- . that's why i can't sing alongi .-linda, do you think . high note linda, do you think . am— . high note linda, do you think . am i— . high note linda, do you think . am i-oemo— . high note linda, do you think . am i-being an— . high note linda, do you think . am i being an old . am i just being an old fashioned— . am i just being an old fashioned person who moans about mimoe— fashioned person who moans about aimee-e— fashioned person who moans about mimoe-e oi— fashioned person who moans about things-? or-actuallyl things more? or do you actually mim— things more? or do you actually mink-ow— things more? or do you actually think-our ability— things more? or do you actually think-our ability to- things more? or do you actually think our ability to behave think that our ability to behave wim— think that our ability to behave wim omei— think that our ability to behave with other people— think that our ability to behave with other people around us has ieem—amo— with other people around us has been _and .that. with other people around us has. been _and .that the been impacted? and was that the ioekoowme— been impacted? and was that the lockdown?_ been - lockdown? i think it's been imoaeieo— lockdown? i think it's been imoaeieo oy— lockdown? i think it's been impacted by lockdown , but i also impacted by lockdown, but i also mim— impacted by lockdown, but i also

mmk ii-e— impacted by lockdown, but i also think it's been— impacted by lockdown, but i also think it's been impacted by the eoeieiy— think it's been impacted by the eoeieiy m— think it's been impacted by the society in which— think it's been impacted by the society in which we live right ami— society in which we live right ami i— society in which we live right now. and i think- society in which we live right now. and i think in- society in which we live right now. “ now. and i think in that respect, this story is connected to two other stories we've we've mentioned tonight. and it's about general behaviour in society now at the end of the day, it's a matter of common sense. you know , that there's sense. you know, that there's a musical on or some kind of performance that you can sing along . you know what they're along. you know what they're likely to be. you go along and when it comes to the main number, when you're supposed to join but let's join in, you join in. but let's be really, really clear about what happened . and it was at the what happened. and it was at the manchester palace theatre . this manchester palace theatre. this was unprecedented level of was an unprecedented level of violence that was so extreme that the police had to be called not just internal security , the not just internal security, the police. things get to police. now, when things get to that level, i think they have gone too far. these people that gone too far. these people that go along and sometimes i've been to performances where i where i might have gone and joined in, that's all fine. might have, but might have doddie weir there. does that mean you did, didn't you?— does that mean you did, didn't you? mai— does that mean you did, didn't you? mai wae— does that mean you did, didn't you? that was you— does that mean you did, didn't you? that was you in manchester, waei— you? that was you in manchester, waei ii?—

you? that was you in manchester, wasn't it? come— you? that was you in manchester, wasn't it? come on. _ you? that was you in manchester, wasn't it? come on. air you? that was you in manchester, wasn't it? come on. a5» wasn't it? come on. no, no, no, ioi— wasn't it? come on. no, no, no, no. but i think these people do not . who is? they not not do. who is? they do not respect the performer. right. who works hard at delivering something worthwhile for money. they do not respect the theatre staff . i have a child that works staff. i have a child that works in the theatre and i know that this is the case and they do not respect other members of the audience which are trying to listen to the performance. now at the manchester palace theatre. whole performance theatre. that whole performance had to end ten minutes early. and the biggest, the big show number, the showstopper, couldn't even be performed because of these members in the audience. that is audience. now, maybe that is because lockdown. i'm not so because of lockdown. i'm not so interested in it's interested in why it's happening. just interested happening. i'm just interested in the fact that it should stop and actually, while i'm on the subject , i and actually, while i'm on the subject, i had another thing. yes when i see people like i think there were two loose women commentators who who mentioned that they were vanessa feltz was one. and there was another one. alison hammond, alison hammond who said, well, i'm going to stop these shows. stop going to these shows. good, because that would be a good

idea, because what you don't want is people getting onto twitter and grandstanding and making a meal out of this whole predicament. as i said earlier, it's common sense. and those people be building people shouldn't be building their twitter feed and building up to a twitter storm by saying , actually, it's all fine. everyone be sing along. everyone should be sing along. and want to go to because and i want to go to because i think that's really unfair. and they're self validating. nigel, does this come down- they're self validating. nigel, does this come down to- :5 “i; nigel, does this come down to some sort of entitlement— does this come down to some sort of entitlement ,_ does this come down to some sort of entitlement , the— does this come down to some sort of entitlement , the idea that of entitlement, the idea that ii— of entitlement, the idea that even if someone— of entitlement, the idea that even if someone says , as neil even if someone says, as neil wae-woaio— even if someone says, as neil wae-woaio you- even if someone says, as neil was would you mind was saying, would you mind eiweiimo— was saying, would you mindi shushing,_watch shushing, i'm trying to watch the shushing, i'm trying to watch ime—reorie- shushing, i'm trying to watch the—people feeli shushing, i'm trying to watch. the—people feel so the show, some people feel so emiiiieo— the show, some people feel so emiiiieo io— the show, some people feel so entitled to carry— the show, some people feel so entitled to carry on and then mai-e— entitled to carry on and then mate-me— entitled to carry on and then that's-the fight- entitled to carry on and then that's the fight start . that's when the fight start. meii. — that's when the fight start. meii. -oeooie— that's when the fight start. well, - people are - that's when the fight start. well, _people are just. that's when the fight start. - well,-people are just plain well, some people are just plain rude and think that whatever rude and i think that whatever happened there is probably got more to do with drink being taken than some kind of lockdown hangoven taken than some kind of lockdown hangover. and obviously, if you go to the theatre and you're watching, watching people perform, the last thing you're meant to do is interrupt them while they're doing it. it was it was perfectly clear there were up at the at the were signs up at the at the theatre saying, saying don't ,

theatre saying, saying don't, don't along, please, please don't sing along, please, please don't sing along, please, please don't along because we've don't sing along because we've got here who will do it got stars here who will do it for you . so it just seems to me for you. so it just seems to me that it's nothing to do with lockdown . i do think behaviour lockdown. i do think behaviour is improved over the is actually improved over the last 20 or 30 years. certainly on football terraces it has so it's just a case of somebody here probably entitled, as you say, steve kyiv, who was who was just being plain thoughtless. you know, you mentioned alcohol and mate— you know, you mentioned alcohol and that's really— you know, you mentioned alcohol and that's really interesting ieeaaee— and that's really interesting because someone was saying to me ieeemiiy— because someone was saying to me ieeemiiy-oiiee— because someone was saying to me recently-pricelalcohol- because someone was saying to me recently price alcohol in recently the price of alcohol in the recently the price of alcohol in ime-mow— recently the price of alcohol in ime-mow .— recently the price of alcohol in the-now , like- recently the price of alcohol in the-now , like £20- recently the price of alcohol in the now , like £20 for the theatre now, like £20 for a oiaee— the theatre now, like £20 for a oiaeelwme— the theatre now, like £20 for a glass-wine means- the theatre now, like £20 for a glass wine means that people glass of wine means that people ore—iom.— glass of wine means that people pie—ioao. i— glass of wine means that people pre—load. i believe— glass of wine means that people pre—load. i believe , is the pre—load. i believe, is the moemo— pre—load. i believe, is the modem-i- pre—load. i believe, is the modern-i mean. pre—load. i believe, is the modern i mean , pre—load. i believe, is the. modern-i mean , not pre—load. i believe, is the- modern-i mean , not that modern phrase. i mean, not that im— modern phrase. i mean, not that i-m-yoa— modern phrase. i mean, not that i-m-yoa oi— modern phrase. i mean, not that i'm you of pre—loading, i'm accusing you of pre—loading, bur.— i'm accusing you of pre—loading, ioi. you— i'm accusing you of pre—loading, om. you mow.— i'm accusing you of pre—loading, but, you know, is— i'm accusing you of pre—loading, but, you know, is that part of me— but, you know, is that part of me problem?— but, you know, is that part of the problem? people turn up to the problem? people turn up to ime—view- the problem? people turn up to ime—view yeel the problem? people turn up to ime—view yee. ii the theatre drunk? well, yes. i meam-oeooie- the theatre drunk? well, yes. i mean-people turn- the theatre drunk? well, yes. i mean people turn up to mean i mean, people turn up to all mean i mean, people turn up to aii eome— mean i mean, people turn up to aii eome oi— mean i mean, people turn up to all sorts of places— mean i mean, people turn up to all sorts of places drunk ieeaaee— all sorts of places drunk because the— all sorts of places drunk because the because the alcohol is because the because the alcohol ie eo— because the because the alcohol ie eo emee-we— because the because the alcohol is so expensive . _ because the because the alcohol is so expensive . 5; is so expensive. but either way, i think you can blame the drink rather than than some kind of locked down lockdown problem that we've all lost our manners

because we were locked up for so long. yeah. in fact, just because i have three kids who have gone 21 down to 16, the term prying is anyone's got teenage kids? no, we're going out on a bit of a pre dad. what does that mean? it means i'm going drink alcohol, going to drink your alcohol, dad, because and dad, because it's cheap and free. then when i've got ratted, then we'll out and we'll buy then we'll go out and we'll buy one the so i can one drink at the pub. so i can imagine do pre a lot and imagine people do pre a lot and they've gone off to the manchester here and i'll always love out of control love you just got out of control and i'm sorry for with it and i'm sorry for that with it all around right coming up we get papers at 1030 sharp get the papers at 1030 sharp with full panel reaction. but first, i'll be speaking- with full panel reaction. but first, i'll be speaking to- first, i'll be speaking to the ow— first, i'll be speaking to the may legend— first, i'll be speaking to the tory legend ann— first, i'll be speaking to the tory legend ann widdecombe about tory legend aim widdecombe about the tory legend ann widdecombe about ime-iiaoaiei— tory legend ann widdecombe about the margaret thatcher. the legacy of margaret thatcher. oom-i— the legacy of margaret thatcher. don't-anywhere—

welcome back to mark dolan immm.— welcome back to mark dolan iomigiei. iiim— welcome back to mark dolan tonight. with me, stephen allan . ii-e— tonight. with me, stephen allan . me me— tonight. with me, stephen allan . ii-e iime mow— tonight. with me, stephen allan . it's time now for— tonight. with me, stephen allan . it's time now for the newsmaker- . it's time now for the newsmaker in which we tackle the big eioiy— newsmaker in which we tackle the big eioiy oi— newsmaker in which we tackle the big eioiy oi me— newsmaker in which we tackle the big story of the day— newsmaker in which we tackle the big story of the day in the

company— big story of the day in the company fearless company of a fearless commentator- company of a fearless commentator for yesterday marked ten commentator for yesterday marked iem yeaie— commentator for yesterday marked iem yeaie eie— commentator for yesterday marked ten years since the— commentator for yesterday marked ten years since the death of ime— ten years since the death of former prime— ten years since the death of former prime minister margaret maieiiei— former prime minister margaret thatcher. _first - former prime minister margaret thatcher. first female thatcher. britain's first female pm thatcher. britain's first female iii-opinion- thatcher. britain's first female pm opinion sweeping up pm polarised opinion sweeping up miiiiome— pm polarised opinion sweeping up miiiiome oi— pm polarised opinion sweeping up millions of loyal— pm polarised opinion sweeping up millions of loyal admirers, mooiiiemo— millions of loyal admirers, mobilising throngs of adversaries- mobilising throngs of adversaries and even being oeeioweo— adversaries and even being bestowed with— adversaries and even being bestowed with her own ism, which many— bestowed with her own ism, which mamy ooiiiieoe— bestowed with her own ism, which many politicos follow as a goeoei— many politicos follow as a ooeoei .— many politicos follow as a ooeoei . io— many politicos follow as a gospel. to this- many politicos follow as a gospel . to this day, baroness gospel. to this day, baroness maieiiei— gospel. to this day, baroness thatcher won— gospel. to this day, baroness thatcher won three general eieeiiome— thatcher won three general elections and— thatcher won three general elections and served for 18 yeae— elections and served for 18 yeae me— elections and served for 18 years, the longest serving pm of the years, the longest serving pm of me zom— years, the longest serving pm of the 20th century. _ years, the longest serving pm of the 20th century. so what is the ieoaey— the 20th century. so what is the iegaey oi— the 20th century. so what is the iegaey oi me— the 20th century. so what is the legacy of the iron— the 20th century. so what is the legacy of the iron lady ? a legacy of the iron lady? a decade — legacy of the iron lady? a decade on, let's ask someone who mew— decade on, let's ask someone who knew mea.— decade on, let's ask someone who knew mei- im— decade on, let's ask someone who knew her. i'm delighted to be romeo— knew her. i'm delighted to be romeo mow— knew her. i'm delighted to be romeo oy— knew her. i'm delighted to be joined now by former conservative - joined now by former conservative minister and eoiieaoae— conservative minister and colleague of— conservative minister and colleague of the iron lady, ann wiooeeomoe— colleague of the iron lady, ann widdecombe joins— colleague of the iron lady, ann widdecombe joins me. so what woaio— widdecombe joins me. so what woaio you— widdecombe joins me. so what wouio you eay— widdecombe joins me. so what would you say is— widdecombe joins me. so what would you say is lady thatcher's ieoaey— would you say is lady thatcher's iegaey .— would you say is lady thatcher's iegaey . wem— would you say is lady thatcher's legacy . well, the— would you say is lady thatcher's legacy . well, the legacy was legacy. well, the legacy was mai— legacy. well, the legacy was mai eme— legacy. well, the legacy was that she turned— legacy. well, the legacy was that she turned the country aouo— that she turned the country around completely . that she turned the country around completely. . that she turned the country around completely . e around completely. it was known as me— around completely. it was known as the sick man of europe when she overin as the sick man of europe when she over in 79. by the time she took over in 79. by the time she took over in 79. by the time she was deposed in 1990, we were a hive of industry, a hive of enterprise . we were the envy of

enterprise. we were the envy of the western world. but it wasn't only at home. she and reagan and gorbachev , between them, brought gorbachev, between them, brought about the end of the cold war and which had been thought impossible only a few years earlier. and the great thing about thatcher was she set out her stall. she said, this is what i'm going to do. and then she did it. and then she did it. and i think that the crucial and i think that is the crucial point . now, she and i think that is the crucial point. now, she had big majorities, which enabled her to do things . but there have do those things. but there have been prime ministers since with big who have wasted big majorities who have wasted them . what were your experiences them. what were your experiences of them. what were your experiences oi iem — them. what were your experiences oi me? i— them. what were your experiences oi iem i aem— them. what were your experiences of her? i came into— what were your experiences of her? 5 of her? i came into parliament in 1987, so i really only had three years of her as prime minister. and then it was after that that i served as a minister throughout the entire major administration . torfaen and administration. torfaen and therefore i didn't work with her in government. so i had no direct experience of her in government. but what i did have

obviously, was experience of her as a leader , as a colleague. she as a leader, as a colleague. she was always personally very kind but very, very focussed on what she was doing. and in the end i think that was her undoing because she believed the poll tax, for example , to be tax, for example, to be absolutely right, wouldn't be gainsaid on the issue and stuck to it because it was what she believed in and in the end, that was, i think , her undoing. she was, i think, her undoing. she had got used to carrying people with her. she'd got used to people falling in with her vision . she didn't really handle vision. she didn't really handle it terribly well when suddenly people started going in the opposite direction . did that opposite direction. did that play opposite direction. did that play a part in why she was certainly able to polarise opinion, should we say, as we saw by some of the nation's response when she passed ? well, response when she passed? well, the two different extremes- “ :�* well, the two different extremes of response were _ the two different extremes of response were both present. so do you— response were both present. so do you mmk— response were both present. so do you think that's why she managed— do you think that's why she managed io— do you think that's why she managed to polarise opinion so much? — managed to polarise opinion so much? lmmk— managed to polarise opinion so much? ithink she— managed to polarise opinion so much? i think she polarised opinion simply because she knew

what she wanted to do and she did it, as i say, you know, that that actually is rarer than it sounds in politics at and people who agreed with what she was doing obviously thought she was wonderful . people who did not wonderful. people who did not agree with what she was doing , agree with what she was doing, obviously took the exact opposite line. now, when she came to power, all public utility were delivered through vast state monopolies. she privatised them and then major and blair carried on the privatisation programme. it was so manifestly right. it was an age in which the waitress in the boardroom was just as likely to have shares as the director. she wouldn't have as many, but she'd have shares, she'd have an interest in that company. it was an age in which people started to own their own homes as a matter of course. we forget now that thatcher made that possible through tax relief on mortgages, something we you know , something something we you know, something that happened that we wouldn't

dream of now, but that was because she wanted to encourage a trend, an and so it was a complete different country . when complete different country. when she had finished . and i dearly she had finished. and i dearly wish she'd gone on i supported her in the in the election in which she was deposed. i supported thatcher. i would if i had my time over again, still support thatcher. but she left a tremendous legacy . and of tremendous legacy. and of course, she was the first woman prime minister and she never whinged and never expected any special treatment because she was a woman . does modern day was a woman. does modern day ooiiiiee— was a woman. does modern day ooiiiiee my— was a woman. does modern day ooiiiiee my amo— was a woman. does modern day politics try and bring— “ does modern day politics try and bring people wim— politics try and bring people wim mem— politics try and bring people with them when they disagree? it's interesting— with them when they disagree? it's interesting that you said me— it's interesting that you said me iwo— it's interesting that you said the two responses. you agreed the two responses. if you agreed wim—ooimo- with what she was doing, you ioveo — with what she was doing, you loved—disagreed. with what she was doing, you loved—disagreed ,i with what she was doing, you loved disagreed , it loved her. if you disagreed, it became— loved her. if you disagreed, it became more— loved her. if you disagreed, it became more of— loved her. if you disagreed, it became more of a hate because if we became more of a hate because if _wei— became more of a hate because if _wei mai- became more of a hate because if we-from that way- became more of a hate because if we _from that way of. we moved on from that way of iome—mai- we moved on from that way of. doing-that-more doing it, or was that based more on doing it, or was that based more om-mai— doing it, or was that based more om-mai eme— doing it, or was that based more on-that she had- doing it, or was that based more on that she had the on the fact that she had the maroiiiy. — on the fact that she had the majority, obviously the majority, she obviously the maroiiiy— majority, she obviously the majority helped. majority, she obviously the majority helped, my. majority, she obviously the majority helped. 5“ majority helped. but then boris had an enormous majority. and what do with it? um blair what did he do with it? um blair had a tremendous majority, but

he didn't always do the things that he said he was going to do. um, and i think what there is now is a tendency to want to please people. and of course it is a simple fact of life, not only a political life, but of life in general . you cannot life in general. you cannot always please people. you are bound to upset some people. now, thatcher didn't care whom she upset as long as she was convinced that what she was doing right. we lack now doing was right. we lack now that sort of conviction politician a politician who will stand up and say this is what i believe, this is what i'm going to do if i can. and that's that. now it's all, you know, a compromise and trying to bring people with you who don't want to be brought with you . to be brought with you. interesting. let's bring in my oumoiie— interesting. let's bring in my oumoiie ae— interesting. let's bring in my pundits as well— interesting. let's bring in my pundits as well ,_ interesting. let's bring in my pundits as well , because, nigel, pundits as well, because, nigel, i pundits as well, because, nigel, i mow— pundits as well, because, nigel, i know ae— pundits as well, because, nigel, i know ae a— pundits as well, because, nigel, i know ae a ae— pundits as well, because, nigel, i know as a as a— pundits as well, because, nigel, i know as a as a man of ooiiiiee— i know as a as a man of ooiiiiee. you— i know as a as a man of politics, you had interaction . politics, you had interaction. do politics, you had interaction. oo you— politics, you had interaction. do you remember the days of iiaioaiei— do you remember the days of margaret thatcher? what's your iam— margaret thatcher? what's your iake om— margaret thatcher? what's your iake om mie— margaret thatcher? what's your iake om mm o— margaret thatcher? what's your take on this ? but— margaret thatcher? what's your take on this ? but that aside, i take on this? but that aside, i mim— take on this? but that aside, i mmk mai— take on this? but that aside, i think that if— take on this? but that aside, i think that if i— take on this? but that aside, i think that if i was naming the

mo— think that if i was naming the iwo eieaieei— think that if i was naming the two greatest prime ministers of ieeem— two greatest prime ministers of ieeemi yeae — two greatest prime ministers of recent years, it— two greatest prime ministers of recent years, it would be iiaioaiei— recent years, it would be margaret thatcher and tony blair and oom— margaret thatcher and tony blair and iom oi— margaret thatcher and tony blair and both of them— margaret thatcher and tony blair and both of them had proper foundations,— and both of them had proper foundations, genuine political oiiioeooiey— foundations, genuine political philosophy, which enabled them oom— philosophy, which enabled them iom io— philosophy, which enabled them iom io wim— philosophy, which enabled them both to win three— philosophy, which enabled them both to win three elections. ami— both to win three elections. ami we-we— both to win three elections. and we've still— both to win three elections. and we've still got- both to win three elections. and we've still got the- both to win three elections. and we've still got the legacy, as ann just mentioned, the legacy of thatcher today privatised public utilities and services that still exists because of margaret thatcher, the comfortably off pay 40% upper rate tax . margaret upper rate tax. margaret thatcher inherited 60% and dropped it down. she got it wrong very badly over the poll tax that she should have realised that that was going to be a complete disaster for and that effectively is what brought her down. but i think by that time, and i'm interested that ann would have voted for her at that last election. by that time, i think she had lost it and she should have followed . and she should have followed. and david cameron's adage that a prime minister goes a bit a bit funny ten years and i'd be

funny after ten years and i'd be interested to get your take on that as well then. ann no, i don't that as well then. ann no, i oom-i mim— that as well then. ann no, i don't think that— that as well then. ann no, i don't think that prime- ann no, i don't think that prime ministers go don't think that prime ministers 90 a— don't think that prime ministers go a iii— don't think that prime ministers go a bi iummy— don't think that prime ministers go a bit funny after ten years mougm— go a bit funny after ten years mougm — go a bit funny after ten years mougm i— go a bit funny after ten years though. i think— go a bit funny after ten years though. i think it's- go a bit funny after ten years though. c go a bit funny after ten years though. i think it's a very amusing concept. i voted for her. first of all, i believed in the poll tax. i thought it was perfectly fair system, but it wasn't sold properly and she didn't really take the trouble to try and sell it properly . to try and sell it properly. there was also a great deal of restlessness at that point on the backbenches, you know, we'd had 11 years and i'd it's easy to forget now. we were actually behind in the opinion polls largely because of the poll tax. and in those days, the conservative party had a tremendous hasn't got it now , tremendous hasn't got it now, had a tremendous survival instinct. and because we were behind in the polls, your she was the greatest prime minister since winston churchill. but so what we were behind in the polls. therefore, we had to take action. and that was what the party sadly did . action. and that was what the party sadly did. but i action. and that was what the party sadly did . but i would party sadly did. but i would have stuck with it because i

think she had a few more years to give before it. you used cameron's phrase the prime minister turned funny. cameron's phrase the prime minister turned funny . let's minister turned funny. let's let's think about the modern day world. then. and ifi let's think about the modern day world. then. and if i could ask for your opinion of what she would make of rishi sunak and possibly johnson. oh i possibly boris johnson. oh i think she'd despair. i think she would think she'd despair. i think she wouio uiieiiy— think she'd despair. i think she would utterly despair- : : 5 i think she would utterly despair because to her me— would utterly despair because to her the anathema— would utterly despair because to her the anathema would be that you eay— her the anathema would be that you eay you— her the anathema would be that you say you're going to do eomemmg— you say you're going to do something and— you say you're going to do something and you don't do it. you— something and you don't do it. you mow.— something and you don't do it. you mow-eay— something and you don't do it. you know, say you're going something and you don't do it. yo deliver say you're going something and you don't do it. yo deliver brexit ay you're going something and you don't do it. yo deliver brexit andyu're going something and you don't do it. yo deliver brexit andyu're iwhat? something and you don't do it. yo ddeliver rexit andyu're iwhat? something and you don't do it. yo ddeliver is

mm a— but he was trying to operate with a fraction— but he was trying to operate with a fraction of thatcher's maroiiiy. — with a fraction of thatcher's maroiiiy. amo— with a fraction of thatcher's majority. and it's a different oaii— majority. and it's a different oaii game— majority. and it's a different ball game when you've got a big maioaiiy— ball game when you've got a big majority, there's— majority, there's your oopoaiumiiy- majority, there's your opportunity. can do majority, there's your- opportunity.-can do things. opportunity. you can do things. amo— opportunity. you can do things. ami i— opportunity. you can do things. ami i mim— opportunity. you can do things. and i think thatcher would have ieem—ai- been tearing her hair out at mie— been tearing her hair out at mie-eaymg— been tearing her hair out at mie-eaymg .— been tearing her hair out at this saying , you've got this lot, saying, you've got a maroiiiy. — this lot, saying, you've got a maroiiiy. _aie- this lot, saying, you've got a majority. _are you- this lot, saying, you've got a majority. are you doing majority. what are you doing wim— majority. what are you doing wimle — majority. what are you doing withl? well,— majority. what are you doing withl? well, it's- majority. what are you doing with ? �*fii5;cc c 5“5;: with it? well, it's turned to the pundits as well. for more on this, linda , would you or this, linda, would you or rather, what's your thoughts on the in which the legacy is the way in which the legacy is remembered very differently , remembered very differently, polar opposites by two different groups country ? well, of groups in this country? well, of course, would be groups in this country? well, of course,.would be because- course, it would be because mere— course, it would be because. imeie—giouoe there are two different groups wio— there are two different groups who - affected _ there are two different groups who-affected by- there are two different groups who affected by margaret who are affected by margaret maiemeu— who are affected by margaret thatcher. clearly. thatcher. very, very clearly. oui— thatcher. very, very clearly. oui wmai— thatcher. very, very clearly. but what sometimes say to but what i sometimes say to oeooie— but what i sometimes say to oeooie ie— but what i sometimes say to oeooie ie when— but what i sometimes say to people is when i've looked at documentaries— people is when i've looked at documentaries recently that i've waieiieo— documentaries recently that i've watched - margaret - documentaries recently that i've watched margaret thatcher, watched about margaret thatcher, wiiemei— watched about margaret thatcher, wiiemei you— watched about margaret thatcher, wiiemei you-om— watched about margaret thatcher, whether you on that side or whether you are on that side or on whether you are on that side or om mai— whether you are on that side or om mai eme— whether you are on that side or on that side, you— whether you are on that side or on that side, you can't argue wim— on that side, you can't argue wim mei— on that side, you can't argue with her conviction . and it with her conviction. and it comes through— with her conviction. and it comes through when she's talking ieee— comes through when she's talking ieee wmem — comes through when she's talking because when she— comes through when she's talking because when she answers gueeiiome— because when she answers gueeiiome .— because when she answers questions , she's she's questions, she's she's compelling. - questions, she's she's compelling. she resonate mougme— compelling. she resonate thoughts and— compelling. she resonate thoughts and she engage with the pee— thoughts and she engage with the oee .— thoughts and she engage with the oee . amo— thoughts and she engage with the person . and that— thoughts and she engage with the person . and that really makes a person. and that really makes a big,— person. and that really makes a ug, oig— person. and that really makes a big, big difference. too often meee— big, big difference. too often meee oaye— big, big difference. too often meee oaye .— big, big difference. too often these days . and— big, big difference. too often these days . and i would these days. and i would eemamiy— these days. and i would certainly not— these days. and i would certainly not include anne in mie— certainly not include anne in this because— certainly not include anne in this because i— certainly not include anne in this because i think she's very

meei— this because i think she's very oiieei m— this because i think she's very oiieei im am— this because i think she's very direct in an interview. but oeooie— direct in an interview. but pebble-over- direct in an interview. but people over coached and they people are over coached and they give— people are over coached and they give homogenised— people are over coached and they give homogenised and boring answers that— give homogenised and boring answers that the public can't iom— answers that the public can't ioey mio. — answers that the public can't lock into. and— answers that the public can't lock into. and that's a big oiooiem — lock into. and that's a big oiooiem .— lock into. and that's a big problem . um,— lock into. and that's a big problem . um, fascinating stuff problem. um, fascinating stuff mere— problem. um, fascinating stuff mere ie— problem. um, fascinating stuff mere ie. so— problem. um, fascinating stuff there is. so actually, if i may meg-eeo— there is. so actually, if i may mieireei. ai— there is. so actually, if i may interject, at this— there is. so actually, if i may interject, at this point, there is interject, at this point, there ie amomei— interject, at this point, there is another reason for that which is another reason for that which ie mai— is another reason for that which ie mai wmem— is another reason for that which is that when a— is another reason for that which is that when a politician is giving— is that when a politician is giving am— is that when a politician is giving an interview these days, mee— giving an interview these days, me-e mimmg— giving an interview these days, he's thinking about what meaoime— he's thinking about what headline the— he's thinking about what headline the interviewer wants amo— headline the interviewer wants and therefore _ headline the interviewer wants and therefore it— headline the interviewer wants and therefore it isn't always eaey. — and therefore it isn't always eaey. iuei— and therefore it isn't always eaey. iuei io— and therefore it isn't always easy. just to be— and therefore it isn't always easy. just to be blunt, i remember i— easy. just to be blunt, i remember i took a tremendous mem— remember i took a tremendous iiey — remember i took a tremendous iiey io— remember i took a tremendous risk once. i'd just— remember i took a tremendous risk once. i'd just been aooomieo— risk once. i'd just been appointed shadow health eeoeiam— appointed shadow health secretary. i'd— appointed shadow health secretary. i'd literally come oui— secretary. i'd literally come oui oi— secretary. i'd literally come out of william— secretary. i'd literally come out of william haig's office and the out of william haig's office and me meee— out of william haig's office and the press shoved— out of william haig's office and the press shoved a— out of william haig's office and the press shoved a microphone umoei— the press shoved a microphone under my— the press shoved a microphone umoei my-amo— the press shoved a microphone under my and said, what is under my nose and said, what is your— under my nose and said, what is your-ooiieye— under my nose and said, what is your-ooiieye amo- under my nose and said, what is your policy? and turned your health policy? and i turned ioumo— your health policy? and i turned round—haven't- round and i said, i haven't a eiue— round and i said, i haven't a eiue. come— round and i said, i haven't a eiue. come om— round and i said, i haven't a clue. come on, i've just been aoooimieei— clue. come on, i've just been aoooimieei-a- clue. come on, i've just been appointed.-a clue.i clue. come on, i've just been. appointed.-a clue. but appointed. i haven't a clue. but i appointed. i haven't a clue. but i-ieii— appointed. i haven't a clue. but i-ieii-m— appointed. i haven't a clue. but i-ieii-m you- appointed. i haven't a clue. but i-tell-in, you know,- i will tell you in, you know, moi— i will tell you in, you know, moi ioo— i will tell you in, you know, not too distant— i will tell you in, you know, not too distant future and i got away— not too distant future and i got away wim— not too distant future and i got away with that. _ not too distant future and i got away with that. but it's rare. i my— away with that. but it's rare. i omiy you— away with that. but it's rare. i omiy you come— away with that. but it's rare. i only you could get away with it. am— only you could get away with it. ami maim— only you could get away with it. and that's that's— only you could get away with it. and that's that's probably- only you could get away with it. and that's that's probably what we're thinking. only you could be that direct and away with be that direct and get away with it. very much, ann it. thank you very much, ann widdecombe, tonight's widdecombe, for being tonight's newsmaker . well,

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tomorrow morning's newspapers. hot off the press. we'll start with the daily telegraph, which goes with scrap services to cope with strikes. also telling us well—wishers must be quick. the chance to wave at king northern ireland. peace in a fragile in wake of threats, says minister the independent hero pilot must be special case now. former army chief lord dannatt backs our call to block the deportation of afghan who flew with british forces. the mirror goes with hospital trek scandal 999 delays forced 1 in 3 patients to make their own way to a&e . the their own way to a&e. the express front page millions demand keep our banks open. this is banks betrayal of loyal customers is laid bare in findings that millions prefer deaung findings that millions prefer dealing with someone in person rather than online services . i'm rather than online services. i'm sure that's not the main motivation for the banks. the i pharmacist drafted in to offset hospital strike chaos. the mail

tory anger as starmer stands by every word of rishi's ad a story that we were covering earlier on and the daily star boffs warn eti is a prawn , which is scary. eti is a prawn, which is scary. i suppose. space boffins advising alien hunters mission to jupiter reckon that we're looking for something more like a prawn than a green man. and those are the front pages. i'm sure round to that sure we'll get round to that prawn story some prawn related story at some point but i feel we should point, but i feel we should start with more important start with a more important stories of start with a more important storitelegraph of start with a more important storitelegraph gp of start with a more important storitelegraph gp scrapping the telegraph gp scrapping services to cope with the strike, and we mentioned the strike, and we mentioned the strike earlier, but this is worrying because this neil, is a life and death situation for those who are in that in the need of care. it is. and you mow.— need of care. it is. and you know wim— need of care. it is. and you know, with - of - need of care. it is. and you know, with .of things i : 5 55; it is. and you know, with of things to know, with lots of things to coincide — know, with lots of things to coincide this— know, with lots of things to coincide this week, a lot of moe— coincide this week, a lot of mm ae— coincide this week, a lot of kids are away— coincide this week, a lot of kids are away school holidays kids are away on school holidays w-as_ kids are away on school holidays _ae weii. — kids are away on school holidays _ae weii. ii-e- , of course, as well. it's the iaeiei— , of course, as well. it's the iaeiei-amo- , of course, as well. it's the easter-and so,- easter holidays. and so, you mow.— easter holidays. and so, you know, _ knocks . easter holidays. and so, you. know,_knocks and know, it might be knocks and eoaeeo— know, it might be knocks and eemeeo amo— know, it might be knocks and scrapes and-more- know, it might be knocks and scrapes and more trips may scrapes and more more trips may be eaeeeiy— scrapes and more more trips may be eaeeeiy io— scrapes and more more trips may be necessary to the _ scrapes and more more trips may be necessary to the emergency mie— be necessary to the emergency rooms. this is— be necessary to the emergency rooms. this is all— be necessary to the emergency rooms. this is all worrying. and as rooms. this is all worrying. and ae we eaio— rooms. this is all worrying. and as we said earlier— rooms. this is all worrying. and as we said earlier on, when we're discussing— as we said earlier on, when we're discussing it, you just meea— we're discussing it, you just need some heads. now need some cool heads. now iiieiaiiy—geil need some cool heads. now. literally—get round literally this week to get round a iaoie— literally this week to get round a table tomorrow.— literally this week to get round

a table tomorrow. let's a table tomorrow. and let's eiam— a table tomorrow. and let's eiam eommg— a table tomorrow. and let's start sorting this out. let's iam— start sorting this out. let's talk sensibly— start sorting this out. let's talk sensibly to - start sorting this out. let's talk sensibly to these people ieee— talk sensibly to these people ieee mey— talk sensibly to these people because they want to heard because they want to be heard amo—wami- because they want to be heard. and _want progress and they want they want progress . as— and they want they want progress . as nigel— and they want they want progress .as nigel ws— and they want they want progress . as nigel was saying earlier sn-dsn-s— . as nigel was saying earlier on,-don't want- . as nigel was saying earlier on, don't want 35% their on, they don't want 35% their starting— on, they don't want 35% their stating aa— on, they don't want 35% their stating at a— on, they don't want 35% their starting at a crazy number. what titty— starting at a crazy number. what they want— starting at a crazy number. what they want is— starting at a crazy number. what they want is they— starting at a crazy number. what they want is they just want a isaiistis— they want is they just want aj isaiistis—i realistic solution to this, as i think— realistic solution to this, as i think everyone— realistic solution to this, as i think everyone who's been striking— think everyone who's been striking recently wants a isaiistis— striking recently wants a realistic solution. it's pretty hag,— realistic solution. it's pretty tiara—tits- realistic solution. it's pretty- hard,_the government hard, though, for the government because, - inflation - hard, though, for the government because, inflation is because, you know, inflation is running— because, you know, inflation is running high.— because, you know, inflation is running high. we— because, you know, inflation is running high. we don't have any money— running high. we don't have any matey. tie— running high. we don't have any eme.my we spent— running high. we don't have any money. we spent everything taimg— money. we spent everything timing—i- money. we spent everything during—i think. money. we spent everything. during—i think the during covid. and i think the mat—se- hard thing is for so many peoplet_ hard thing is for so many- eeeme—tact hard thing is for so many- geegie—ttaet ta people, we always come back to this — people, we always come back to tits—matey- people, we always come back to titis—memey wasl this. during covid, money was tast— this. during covid, money was iast mete.— this. during covid, money was iast titeie. me— this. during covid, money was just there. we just print more. tet-s— just there. we just print more. tet-s-give— just there. we just print more. tet-s-give away- just there. we just print more. let's give away money. let's just give away money. it seemed— seemed to be like, just just give—memeyl seemed to be like, just just. give—matey as seemed to be like, just just- give—memey as we give away as much money as we meet. — give away as much money as we meet. _at way-etl need. just buy our way out of tits.— need. just buy our way out of titis-geeitie- need. just buy our way out of. titis-peegie-geimg, this. and now people are going, mett— this. and now people are going, meta—seme- this. and now people are going, well,_some of- this. and now people are going,| well,_some of that? well, can we have some of that? teat— well, can we have some of that? yeah yeah.— well, can we have some of that? team yeait. n0,— well, can we have some of that? yeah yeah. no, really, you can understand— yeah yeah. no, really, you cani understand _well, yeah yeah. no, really, you cani undtwe and _well, yeah yeah. no, really, you cani undtwe have—well, yeah yeah. no, really, you can undtwe have something? well, yeah yeah. no, really, you can undtwe have something? because yeah yeah. no, really, you can undtiinflation;omething? because yeah yeah. no, really, you can undtiinflation raginging? because yeah yeah. no, really, you can undtiinflation raginging? iis, ause with inflation raging as it is, you— with inflation raging as it is,j you—26, you know, they're saying 26, titey-ie— you know, they're saying 26, they're realistically on they're down. realistically on where— they're down. realistically on where-mamy- they're down. realistically on where many years they're down. realistically on. where-many years ago they're down. realistically on- where-many years ago . where they were many years ago. it's where they were many years ago. its a— where they were many years ago. as a paetiem— where they were many years ago. it's a problem. changed our expectation— it's a problem. changed our expectation of— it's a problem. changed our expectation of how free money is , item— expectation of how free money is , item tieeiy— expectation of how free money is , how freely available it is. imiia— , how freely available it is. timia om— , how freely available it is. linda oh, yeah,— , how freely available it is. linda oh, yeah, that's- linda oh, yeah, that's definitely you at definitely true. if you look at my parents— definitely true. if you look at my parents generation- at? " c�*icg if you look at my parents generation you my parents generation and you tat— my parents generation and you tat-kyiv— my parents generation and you tat-kyiv te— my parents generation and you tat-kyiv to buy- my parents generation and you had kyiv to buy things, had to save kyiv to buy things, we've moved so— had to save kyiv to buy things, we've moved so far away from

that — we've moved so far away from that its— we've moved so far away from that. it's really— we've moved so far away from that. it's really incredible. i titimt— that. it's really incredible. i titimt titat— that. it's really incredible. i think that people do expect to get things— think that people do expect to get titimgs tee— think that people do expect to get things too easily these days. — get things too easily these days they— get things too easily these days. they don't expect to save amt— days. they don't expect to save amt titey— days. they don't expect to save amt titey tam-t— days. they don't expect to save and they don't expect to have to cut and they don't expect to have to eat tast— and they don't expect to have to eat itaet .— and they don't expect to have to cut back . having— and they don't expect to have to cut back . having said that, cut back. having said that, wages— cut back. having said that, wages im— cut back. having said that, wages in certain essential setters— wages in certain essential seetas mave— wages in certain essential sectors have fallen way behind the sectors have fallen way behind tite iewei— sectors have fallen way behind tite iewei et— sectors have fallen way behind the level of inflation and we tave— the level of inflation and we have te— the level of inflation and we mate to te— the level of inflation and we have to do something about that. as i— have to do something about that. as i sait— have to do something about that. as i said earlier,— have to do something about that. as i said earlier, i— have to do something about that. as i said earlier, i think the waste— as i said earlier, i think the witeie key— as i said earlier, i think the whole key here— as i said earlier, i think the whole key here is the lack of economic growth— whole key here is the lack of economic growth . that's what's economic growth. that's what's fundamentally— economic growth. that's what's fundamentally causing a problem in fundamentally causing a problem it this— fundamentally causing a problem im titis eeamtty. — fundamentally causing a problem in this country. and that's a eaiiy— in this country. and that's a ieaiiy, ieaity— in this country. and that's a really, really hard thing to do, witieit— really, really hard thing to do, which is— really, really hard thing to do, which is which— really, really hard thing to do, which is which is— really, really hard thing to do, which is which is the long term gietiem. — which is which is the long term giettiem. ami— which is which is the long term problem. and-first- which is which is the long term problem. 't: �*" g problem. and the first thing you've deal with is you've got to deal with is inflation. and that is inflation. inflation and that is what sparking pay what is sparking all these pay claims. inflation in first claims. so inflation in first growth later . and you can growth later. and you can understand what the doctors are doing that if you if you're going go on strike, if you going to go on strike, if you believe to strike, believe in the right to strike, you've got make the strike you've got to make the strike work . and i think the headline work. and i think the headline here, i mean , there's also one here, i mean, there's also one in the i about pharmacy that's being drafted into deal with it matron's coming in the telegraph is talking about gps. we are all

going to struggle to get medical care this coming week. exactly and i think you're right. you've got and i think you're right. you've get te— and i think you're right. you've got to concentrate _ and i think you're right. you've got to concentrate late on the game— got to concentrate late on the game it— got to concentrate late on the game it mama— got to concentrate late on the game it itamt .— got to concentrate late on the game in hand , as— got to concentrate late on the game in hand , as it were. and game in hand, as it were. and tite— game in hand, as it were. and tite paint— game in hand, as it were. and tite paint is— game in hand, as it were. and tite paint is i— game in hand, as it were. and the point is, i think you've got to get— the point is, i think you've got to get sis— the point is, i think you've got to get gps really,— the point is, i think you've got to get gps really, really lined up se— to get gps really, really lined up so titey— to get gps really, really lined up so titey teat— to get gps really, really lined up so they deal with things etteetiweiy. — up so they deal with things effectively. - a - up so they deal with things effectively. a routine effectively. i had a routine appointment.— effectively. i had a routine appointment. well didn't appointment. well i didn't teeaase— appointment. well i didn't because actually appointment. well i didn't- because-actually get because i couldn't actually get the because i couldn't actually get tie—mate- because i couldn't actually get the—made and. because i couldn't actually get. the—made and that's the appointment made and that's presuming— the appointment made and that's presuming because of this, you got presuming because of this, you get—tits— presuming because of this, you get—tits timet- presuming because of this, you got-gps lined up.- got to get the gps lined up. tea-e— got to get the gps lined up. weave-te— got to get the gps lined up. weave-ta get— got to get the gps lined up. you've to get the you've got to get the pharmacists- you've got to get the pharmacists that pharmacists lined up so that titey— pharmacists lined up so that titey-sewer— pharmacists lined up so that they-cover-gaps- pharmacists lined up so that they cover gaps in the they can cover the gaps in the time— they can cover the gaps in the time-ta— they can cover the gaps in the time _for people - they can cover the gaps in the time _for people to - they can cover the gaps in the time for people to get time it takes for people to get reatt— time it takes for people to get round negotiating table . but round the negotiating table. but by round the negotiating table. but by-wayt_ round the negotiating table. but bv-wavt i_ round the negotiating table. but ty-way i tam-t— round the negotiating table. but by way, i don't think by the way, i don't think economic growth is that it's tast— economic growth is that it's iast sattemiy— economic growth is that it's just suddenly slowed down. i titimt— just suddenly slowed down. i titimt titat— just suddenly slowed down. i think that goes— just suddenly slowed down. i think that goes back ten years. i think that goes back ten years. i titimt— think that goes back ten years. i think economic— think that goes back ten years. i think economic growth goes way tact,— i think economic growth goes way tact, way— i think economic growth goes way back, way before _ i think economic growth goes way back, way before we've seen imiatiem— back, way before we've seen inflation climb.— back, way before we've seen inflation climb. and it's a big matiem. — inflation climb. and it's a big gietiem. it— inflation climb. and it's a big problem. it does.— inflation climb. and it's a big problem. it does. i mean , the problem. it does. i mean, the impact— problem. it does. i mean, the impact at— problem. it does. i mean, the impact of having— problem. it does. i mean, the impact of having such low interest— impact of having such low interest rates— impact of having such low interest rates kind of hid the gietiem. — interest rates kind of hid the problem. yeah,— interest rates kind of hid the problem. yeah, it did. had the matiem. — problem. yeah, it did. had the problem. yeah.— problem. yeah, it did. had the problem. yeah. and think problem. yeah. and i think i titimt— problem. yeah. and i think i think-steve's- problem. yeah. and i think i think steve's point about think that steve's point about the think that steve's point about tite tast— think that steve's point about the fact that— think that steve's point about the fact that erg— think that steve's point about the fact that erg rishi sunak spent— the fact that erg rishi sunak sgemt se— the fact that erg rishi sunak spent so must— the fact that erg rishi sunak spent so much money as chancellor— spent so much money as chancellor during covid, we did tegim— chancellor during covid, we did itegim te—

chancellor during covid, we did tegim ta titimt— chancellor during covid, we did begin to think there's plenty of tree— begin to think there's plenty of tree test— begin to think there's plenty of free dosh out— begin to think there's plenty of free dosh out there they can give— free dosh out there they can give eat. — free dosh out there they can give eat. i— free dosh out there they can give out. i mean,- free dosh out there they can give out. f give out. i mean, curiously, what rishi sunak did was what john mcdonnell would have done had he become chancellor. yeah, he would have played— had he become chancellor. yeah, he would have played very- he would have played very tittevemtiy— he would have played very differently-the - he would have played very differently the press, differently in the press, weaitm-t— wouldn't it? i suppose there is also fact that normally when also the fact that normally when you do surveys of how much you support industrial action, it's quite how much quite surprising how much support all industrial support all the industrial action have had action seems to have had according polls, who according to the polls, and who knows them. knows how much we trust them. but that because but in part is that because normally have normally during this you'd have to on what inflation is to explain on what inflation is and impacting what and how it's impacting what you're earning. whereas right now, everyone understands we do. and of course everyone's tiimgimg— and of course everyone's bringing-90- and of course everyone's bringing go back to 2008. bringing up go back to 2008. teet— bringing up go back to 2008. teat at— bringing up go back to 2008. teat at that— bringing up go back to 2008. look at that last— bringing up go back to 2008. look at that last big recession. teet— look at that last big recession. teat mew— look at that last big recession. teat itew tang— look at that last big recession. look how long 15— look at that last big recession. look how long 15 years now of austerity— look how long 15 years now of austerity where _ look how long 15 years now of austerity where people haven't mat— austerity where people haven't itat a— austerity where people haven't itat a veaiiy— austerity where people haven't had a really good— austerity where people haven't had a really good wage rises and you mew,— had a really good wage rises and you mew, is— had a really good wage rises and you know, 15 years— had a really good wage rises and you know, 15 years is a hell of atime— you know, 15 years is a hell of atime. it— you know, 15 years is a hell of atime. it yea— you know, 15 years is a hell of a time. if you have— you know, 15 years is a hell of a time. if you have little bit a time. if you have a little bit of a time. if you have a little bit at imtiatiem— a time. if you have a little bit of inflation every— a time. if you have a little bit of inflation every and then of inflation every year and then eemgeamt— of inflation every year and then eemgeamt it— of inflation every year and then compound it over— of inflation every year and then compound it over 15 years, you do compound it over 15 years, you to see— compound it over 15 years, you to witeve— compound it over 15 years, you do see where they've come up witt— do see where they've come up with that— do see where they've come up with that figure— do see where they've come up with that figure saying, we're zeta— with that figure saying, we're zeta-att- — with that figure saying, we're zeta-att-as- with that figure saying, we're 26%-off.-as a- with that figure saying, we're. 26%-off.-as a junior 26% worse off. now as a junior teeter,— 26% worse off. now as a junior teeter, yea— 26% worse off. now as a junior doctor, you know,— 26% worse off. now as a junior doctor, you know, you do wonder whether— doctor, you know, you do wonder whether its— doctor, you know, you do wonder whether it's slightly a generational thing that younger

petite— generational thing that younger petite-watt— generational thing that younger people want demand more people tend to want demand more money— people tend to want demand more money amt— people tend to want demand more money and potentially have the eitaee— money and potentially have the eaitmee te— money and potentially have the eaitmee to get— money and potentially have the chance to get on— money and potentially have the chance to get on better in their careers and earn— chance to get on better in their careers and earn more earlier titan— careers and earn more earlier titam mayte— careers and earn more earlier than maybe people of a different gemevatiem— than maybe people of a different generation. maybe. but but i stit— generation. maybe. but but i stiii titimt— generation. maybe. but but i still think we— generation. maybe. but but i still think we know they work veaiiy— still think we know they work teatty itat— still think we know they work really hard. we— still think we know they work really hard. we know they matatiy— really hard. we know they probably te— really hard. we know they probably do require more money as tats— probably do require more money as tats et— probably do require more money as lots of these— probably do require more money as lots of these different teame— as lots of these different people striking at the moment. but people striking at the moment. tat—te- people striking at the moment. tat—ta ite- people striking at the moment.| but—to be talking but no one seems to be talking semsiitiy— but no one seems to be talking semsiitiy a— but no one seems to be talking semsiitiy a se— but no one seems to be talking sensibly or so we— but no one seems to be talking sensibly or so we know. maybe titey— sensibly or so we know. maybe titey-im— sensibly or so we know. maybe titey-i-m veaiiy— sensibly or so we know. maybe they i'm really hoping they they are. i'm really hoping they are they are. i'm really hoping they aeee—tasei they are. i'm really hoping theyi are behind the scenes because. tat— are behind the scenes because. tat-met— are behind the scenes because. but-not hearing- are behind the scenes because. but not hearing anything but we're not hearing anything teem—.- but we're not hearing anything teem—. vie- but we're not hearing anythingi teem—. we meet from the government. we need someone-be-morel from the government. we needi someone-be-more . someone just to be a bit more. vie— someone just to be a bit more. we meet— someone just to be a bit more. we meet a— someone just to be a bit more. we need a thatcher to come in amt— we need a thatcher to come in amt-tits— we need a thatcher to come in and-this out. _ we need a thatcher to come in and-this out. well,- we need a thatcher to come in and this out. vaticc and sort this out. well, let's quickly another quickly just have another panic about health care related things. 1 in 399 patients is the front page of the mirror. have made own way hospital front page of the mirror. have madto own way hospital front page of the mirror. have madto the own way hospital front page of the mirror. have madto the own vtwaits hospital due to the record waits for ambulances . at the time, i was ambulances. at the time, i was joking about when all the strikes were happening of the paramedics for a run, paramedics that i go for a run, but going to but on those days i was going to run the just run around the hospital just in case. is actual case. but this is actual people thinking , case. but this is actual people thinking, no, i'm a 999 patient, but going to risk going but i'm not going to risk going in ambulance queuing day in an ambulance queuing all day . there's 999 patients and titeve-s— . there's 999 patients and titeve-s 999— there's 999 patients and there's 999 patients, which are eaiiet— there's 999 patients, which are eaiiet vet— there's 999 patients, which are called red flag—

there's 999 patients, which are called red flag patients. now titey— called red flag patients. now titey tam-t— called red flag patients. now titey tam-t te— called red flag patients. now they don't do any driving to itespitai— they don't do any driving to hospital because they're the big priority— hospital because they're the big priority-et— hospital because they're the big priority-of strokes- hospital because they're the big priority of strokes and priority cases of strokes and getemtiai— priority cases of strokes and potential heart— priority cases of strokes and potential heart attacks. so titey-ve— potential heart attacks. so titey-re eave— potential heart attacks. so they're over there. but there are an awful— they're over there. but there are an awful lot— they're over there. but there are an awful lot of people who tiai— are an awful lot of people who tiai 999— are an awful lot of people who tiai eee witt— are an awful lot of people who dial 999 who don't need to dial 999.— dial 999 who don't need to dial 999. titey— dial 999 who don't need to dial 999. they could— dial 999 who don't need to dial 999. they could be dialling 111 or 999. they could be dialling 111 a titey— 999. they could be dialling 111 a titey eeait— 999. they could be dialling 111 or they could be— 999. they could be dialling 111 or they could be going to their teeter— or they could be going to their teeta a— or they could be going to their doctor or they— or they could be going to their doctor or they could be going to the pharmacist— doctor or they could be going to the pharmacist .— doctor or they could be going to the pharmacist . and i do the pharmacist. and i do away— the pharmacist. and i do actually think- the pharmacist. and i do actually think that right now we-ve-stat— actually think that right now we've start taking a we've got to start taking a tittie— we've got to start taking a iittielet— we've got to start taking a little of responsibility little bit of responsibility attem— little bit of responsibility ateat met— little bit of responsibility about not dashing off to a&e for the about not dashing off to a&e for tite siigittest— about not dashing off to a&e for the slightest reason . when we've the slightest reason. when we've got the slightest reason. when we've get te— the slightest reason. when we've get te teet— the slightest reason. when we've get te ieet at— the slightest reason. when we've got to look at this— the slightest reason. when we've got to look at this sensibly , we got to look at this sensibly, we eat— got to look at this sensibly, we eat eeee— got to look at this sensibly, we can't cope with— got to look at this sensibly, we can't cope with it.— got to look at this sensibly, we can't cope with it. the reason eeeme— can't cope with it. the reason eeeete ge— can't cope with it. the reason eeeete ge te— can't cope with it. the reason eeeete ge te tat— can't cope with it. the reason people go to a&e is their first port— people go to a&e is their first peat et— people go to a&e is their first get et eaii— people go to a&e is their first port of call because every other attempts— port of call because every other attempts te — port of call because every other attempts te get— port of call because every other attempts to get you health dealt witt— attempts to get you health dealt wim-tit— attempts to get you health dealt with-hitlwall. - attempts to get you health dealt with-hitlwall. if. attempts to get you health dealti with-hitlwall. if you with seems to hit a wall. if you try-see— with seems to hit a wall. if you try-see a— with seems to hit a wall. if you try-see a cp— with seems to hit a wall. if you try-see a gp, you'll- with seems to hit a wall. if you try see a gp, you'll up try and see a gp, you'll end up doing some sort of zoom relationship. it's difficult. amt—stew- relationship. it's difficult. amt—stew a| relationship. it's difficult.- and_show a couple and i was on this show a couple of and i was on this show a couple et memtits— and i was on this show a couple et memtits age— and i was on this show a couple of months ago and— and i was on this show a couple of months ago and i got a gp's appeimtmemt— of months ago and i got a gp's appointment within hours. appointment within 48 hours. mete— appointment within 48 hours. there-problem- appointment within 48 hours. there problem all. there was no problem at all. paus— there was no problem at all. ettus-wite— there was no problem at all. batus-who your- there was no problem at all. batus who your gp was so batus know who your gp was so easy. — batus know who your gp was so easy. i— batus know who your gp was so easy. i itat— batus know who your gp was so easy. i itat te— batus know who your gp was so easy. i had to turn— batus know who your gp was so easy. i had to turn the first tewm— easy. i had to turn the first one down because they said, can you— one down because they said, can yea eeme— one down because they said, can yea mew— one down because they said, can yea se— one down because they said, can you come now? so i— one down because they said, can you come now? so i made it for tite— you come now? so i made it for tite meet— you come now? so i made it for tite mevt tay— you come now? so i made it for tite mevt tay .— you come now? so i made it for the next day . now— you come now? so i made it for the next day . now it's much,

the next day. now it's much, maeit— the next day. now it's much, much harder— the next day. now it's much, much harder because we're facing this much harder because we're facing titis-aetiem— much harder because we're facing titis-aetiem .— much harder because we're facing this-action . but- this industrial action. but there— this industrial action. but there ae— this industrial action. but there are options . one, one, one there are options. one, one, one yea— there are options. one, one, one yea ea— there are options. one, one, one yea eaii— there are options. one, one, one yea eaii ee— there are options. one, one, one you can call one one. you can go to you can call one one. you can go te tite— you can call one one. you can go to the pharmacist,— you can call one one. you can go to the pharmacist, you can think ateat— to the pharmacist, you can think ateat it.— to the pharmacist, you can think ateat it. vea— to the pharmacist, you can think about it. you could— to the pharmacist, you can think about it. you could not go to tite— about it. you could not go to tite teeter— about it. you could not go to the doctor because you've a the doctor because you've got a eemmem—tel the doctor because you've got a. e—emmemte amy common cold and it won't do any geet. — common cold and it won't do any geet. lateat— common cold and it won't do any geet. |meat tang— common cold and it won't do any good. imean, long term,- common cold and it won't do any good. " orig good. i mean, long term, there we've i've we've discussed this and i've seen on this and seen it many times on this and other we just other programmes where we just have look how dependent other programmes where we just have we .ook how dependent other programmes where we just have we all; how dependent other programmes where we just have we all got how dependent other programmes where we just have we all got onv dependent other programmes where we just have we all got on the pendent other programmes where we just have we all got on the nhs?nt other programmes where we just have we all got on the nhs? do we phone them up for the most ridiculous getting ridiculous thing? are we getting drugs don't need drugs when we really don't need them they them anymore? are they prescribing stuff we really don't anymore? you know, don't need anymore? you know, the whole thing needs be the whole thing needs to be looked though that looked at right now though that sort term. needs to sort of long term. that needs to be how do we use our nhs? how do we it effective for 70 we make it effective for 70 million people, the 45 million people, not for the 45 it originally created for. it was originally created for. you know, population has you know, our population has exploded , right? so that's you know, our population has explode issue. it? so that's you know, our population has explode issue. ando that's you know, our population has explode issue. and they're another issue. and they're living all but living longer. so all these but this week we need to sit around a table . well indeed , after the a table. well indeed, after the neat,— a table. well indeed, after the treat, we— a table. well indeed, after the break, we have— a table. well indeed, after the break, we have a— well indeed, after the break, we have a couple more treat— break, we have a couple more meat pages— break, we have a couple more front pages still— break, we have a couple more front pages still show you. front pages still to show you. tips— front pages still to show you. tips-ast— front pages still to show you. plus,-ask-pundits- plus, i'll ask my pundits if titey— plus, i'll ask my pundits if titey-te— plus, i'll ask my pundits if they be watching the new they will be watching the new tease— they will be watching the new eeease-amt- they will be watching the new grease and whether grease tv show and whether titey-ve— grease tv show and whether titey-ve eve— grease tv show and whether they've ever abandoned a car due to they've ever abandoned a car due te a— they've ever abandoned a car due te a tvattie— they've ever abandoned a car due te a tvattie tam.— they've ever abandoned a car due to a traffic jam. we'll see you

soon i soon. welcome iseet- welcome back isom— welcome back and thank you iseet— welcome back and thank you for yew— welcome back and thank you for yew emaiis— welcome back and thank you for your emails. you've— welcome back and thank you for your emails. you've been sending in meat— your emails. you've been sending it ateat tite— your emails. you've been sending in about the various— your emails. you've been sending in about the various things we've been discussing. some more mete.— we've been discussing. some more mete-_tepie- we've been discussing. some more mete-_tepie et- here. bridget on the topic of margaret— here. bridget on the topic of margaret thatcher margaret margaret thatcher says margaret titateitev— thatcher won her first election wititeat— without making a lot of promises

that— without making a lot of promises titat—sitel that she wasn't aware that she eeait— that she wasn't aware that she eeait-site-asi could carry out. she spoke as a teasewite— could carry out. she spoke as a housewife, having— could carry out. she spoke as a housewife, having a budget to me— housewife, having a budget to iive—tite- housewife, having a budget to live—the topic- live on, then on the topic of tite— live on, then on the topic of tie-at— live on, then on the topic of tite-at tite- live on, then on the topic of the at the bodyguard the incident at the bodyguard masieat— the incident at the bodyguard musical, richard— the incident at the bodyguard musical, richard says go musical, richard says if you go to musical, richard says if you go te—mamtevl to a show with a big number at the to a show with a big number at tite-tem-t— to a show with a big number at the-don't think- the end and don't think people are the end and don't think people ave—aem,- the end and don't think people are—along, then. are going to sing along, then you— are going to sing along, then yea ae— are going to sing along, then you are either— are going to sing along, then you are either a— are going to sing along, then you are either a fool or a tettee— you are either a fool or a toffee nosed— you are either a fool or a toffee nosed plonker. not sure witieit— toffee nosed plonker. not sure witieit-titimt- which one you think i am. aetaaiiy— which one you think i am.| actually,_know actually, no, i think i know witieit— actually, no, i think i know witieit ee— actually, no, i think i know which one-think- actually, no, i think i know which one think i am. john which one you think i am. john on which one you think i am. john em—stvite- which one you think i am. john on_strike says. - on the doctors strike says. was there— on the doctors strike says. was titeve—witem- on the doctors strike says. was there _when there i there not a time when there weait— there not a time when there would negotiation under would be no negotiation under twesse— would be no negotiation under twesse-tite— would be no negotiation under duress?-the-of. duress? surely the threat of piamet— duress? surely the threat ofj piamet—is planned strike by doctors is twess— planned strike by doctors isi duress._sides, duress. i'm not taking sides, tast— just asking a question. interesting— just asking a question. int to sting— just asking a question. intto some— just asking a question. intto some more of the just asking a question. int to some more of the front on to some more of the front pages— on to some more of the front pages titem— on to some more of the front pages then - here - on to some more of the front pages then here with pages then still here with my pamtits— pages then still here with my pamtits-ee- pages then still here with my pundits, gb news pundits, we've got gb news senior political— pundits, we've got gb news senior political commentator and meet— senior political commentator and tieet street— senior political commentator and fleet street legend nigel nelson geamai— fleet street legend nigel nelson ieamai test— fleet street legend nigel nelson journal host and— fleet street legend nigel nelson journal host and broadcaster titty— journal host and broadcaster timty peeiey— journal host and broadcaster timty peetey .— journal host and broadcaster lindy dooley , and legend lindy dooley, and radio legend weii— lindy dooley, and radio legend weii tea.— lindy dooley, and radio legend weii tex- as— lindy dooley, and radio legend neil fox. as we— lindy dooley, and radio legend neil fox. as we look to the next treat— neil fox. as we look to the next memt page,— neil fox. as we look to the next memt page, tite— neil fox. as we look to the next front page, the times labour wiii— front page, the times labour wiii tiame— front page, the times labour will blame pm— front page, the times labour will blame pm for crashing eey— will blame pm for crashing economy controversial attack ads go economy controversial attack ads ge em— economy controversial attack ads ge as— economy controversial attack ads go on, as we mentioned earlier, itat— go on, as we mentioned earlier, but specifically— go on, as we mentioned earlier, but specifically looking at the eey— but specifically looking at the eey pips— but specifically looking at the economy plus also on their front page— economy plus also on their front page sweemsg— economy plus also on their front page surgeons face— economy plus also on their front page surgeons face metoo moment over sexism and then we have the eaatiam-s— over sexism and then we have the guardian's front— over sexism and then we have the guardian's front page . uk is not guardian's front page. uk is not eiese— guardian's front page. uk is not eiese te— guardian's front page. uk is not eiese te teimg— guardian's front page. uk is not close to being a— guardian's front page. uk is not close to being a racially just

seeiety— close to being a racially just society finds— close to being a racially just society finds two— close to being a racially just society finds two year study aise— society finds two year study aise em— society finds two year study also on their— society finds two year study also on their front page. king's greet— also on their front page. king's gieem energy— also on their front page. king's green energy firm _ also on their front page. king's green energy firm investigated for green energy firm investigated tev gas— green energy firm investigated tee gas teat,— green energy firm investigated for gas leak, which i imagine is es— for gas leak, which i imagine is iess tummy— for gas leak, which i imagine is less funny than _ for gas leak, which i imagine is less funny than the headline mates— less funny than the headline mates it— less funny than the headline makes it seem.— less funny than the headline makes it seem. and also i should mave— makes it seem. and also i should have sait— makes it seem. and also i should have sait every— makes it seem. and also i should have said every single front page- _ have said every single front page. wise— have said every single front page. tise tas— have said every single front page. also has this the royal pietwes— page. also has this the royal pietwes amt— page. also has this the royal pictures and we— page. also has this the royal pictures and we were talking off air ateat— pictures and we were talking off air ateat i— pictures and we were talking off air about i mean,— pictures and we were talking off air about i mean, everyone seems to air about i mean, everyone seems te titimt— air about i mean, everyone seems te titimt titat— air about i mean, everyone seems to think that kate's— air about i mean, everyone seems to think that kate's coat is wetting— to think that kate's coat is working really— to think that kate's coat is working really well. just a tviet— working really well. just a brief mention— working really well. just a brief mention that good coat brief mention of that good coat eeat— brief mention of that good coat eeat .— brief mention of that good coat eeat , mayte— brief mention of that good coat coat , maybe alexander mcqueen , coat, maybe alexander mcqueen, aetaaiiy. — coat, maybe alexander mcqueen, actually. sarah _ coat, maybe alexander mcqueen, actually. sarah burton- coat, maybe alexander mcqueen, actually. sarah burton for alexander mcqueen . but the alexander mcqueen. but the choice of royal blue, that's a stellar choice for easter weekend. and actually, i think camilla is wearing royal blue as well . i camilla is wearing royal blue as well. i mean, it's camilla is wearing royal blue as well . i mean, it's such well. i mean, it's such a beautiful tab low. now, when you look at the royal family i think they absolutely impeccable, they look absolutely impeccable, real quality. there's they look absolutely impeccable, real quality . there's a real star quality. there's a blue named— real star quality. there's a blue named after- ”via cue; cat there's a blue named after you. it'd be tate— blue named after you. it'd be mte te— blue named after you. it'd be mte te, met— blue named after you. it'd be rude to, not wouldn't it? yeah, titat-s— rude to, not wouldn't it? yeah, titat-s vigitt. — rude to, not wouldn't it? yeah, that's right. that's- rude to, not wouldn't it? yeah, that's right. g that's right. that's right. probably enough. think only that's right. that's right. proitimestnough. think only that's right. that's right. proitimes actually think only that's right. that's right. proitimes actually used; only that's right. that's right. proitimes actually used royal the times actually used royal blue.i the times actually used royal blue. i can't think how the others missed it. i suppose we siteait— others missed it. i suppose we siteait teet— others missed it. i suppose we should look to— others missed it. i suppose we should look to-serious- c i suppose we should look to serious story should look to the serious story mete—tiame- should look to the serious story hertfor_blame- should look to the serious story hertfor crashing blame should look to the serious story hertfor crashing the blame should look to the serious story hertfor crashing the economy pm for crashing the economy agaim. — pm for crashing the economy agaim. vie— pm for crashing the economy again. we come— pm for crashing the economy again. we come down to this this pigm— again. we come down to this this issue, nigel, about— again. we come down to this this issue, nigel, about whether you

siteait — should be blaming the party or tiamimg— should be blaming the party or taming-team- should be blaming the party or blaming-yeah, i- should be blaming the party or blaming yeah, i think blaming the man. yeah, i think you— blaming the man. yeah, i think yea ea— blaming the man. yeah, i think yea pietatiy— blaming the man. yeah, i think you can probably blame the man for you can probably blame the man tea—i— you can probably blame the man tea—i meat— you can probably blame the man for—i mean,-know| for this one. i mean, you know that obviously as linda said earlier, that rishi sunak wasn't even an mp for five years when labour criticising him over not being concerned about rapists. he was concerned about the economy. so that is directly down to him as chancellor and now as prime minister. so i think you can actually do an attack line against that and that would be fair. the important thing for keir starmer is for goodness sake, appear to the voters as being fair about it . certainly go into the tory it. certainly go into the tory record . don't blame rishi sunak record. don't blame rishi sunak for stuff that he wasn't responsible for in the same way that when boris johnson blamed keir starmer for not prosecuting jemmy savile , he wasn't jemmy savile, he wasn't responsible for that , so he responsible for that, so he shouldn't go down that road. but certainly perfectly reasonable to attack the former chancellor current prime minister. yeah, i mean , good point— current prime minister. yeah, i mean , good point there.- cc. ”it; 37” ii " yeah, i mean , good point there. do you

mean, good point there. do you inn,— mean, good point there. do you app, neit— mean, good point there. do you think, neil, are— mean, good point there. do you think, neil, are we— mean, good point there. do you think, neil, are we going to be taking— think, neil, are we going to be taitimg ateat— think, neil, are we going to be talking about eat— think, neil, are we going to be talking about eat out to help out talking about eat out to help eat agaim — talking about eat out to help out again? well,— talking about eat out to help out again? well, i- talking about eat out to help out again? vaticc ”63ch talking about eat out to help out again? vaticc "gauge out again? well, i really wish. and i remember— out again? well, i really wish. and i remember growing- out again? heck "gauge and i remember growing up all the and i remember growing up all tite ats— and i remember growing up all tite ats wee— and i remember growing up all the ads were it— and i remember growing up all the ads were it was it was either— the ads were it was it was either tories— the ads were it was it was either tories or- the ads were it was it was either tories or labour for tight — either tories or labour for right. _coursel either tories or labour for. right._course it's right. and now of course it's ateat— right. and now of course it's ateat peepie— right. and now of course it's about people. it's almost like tit-s— about people. it's almost like our pm's have— about people. it's almost like our pm's have become presidential,- presidential, how they talk ateat—sel presidential, how they talk. about—so it's about in america now. so it's tast— about in america now. so it's test-eme— about in america now. so it's. test-eme-amt just about the one person. and of just about the one person. and et tite — just about the one person. and of course the way— just about the one person. and of course the way our politics wees— of course the way our politics wees its— of course the way our politics works, it's not— of course the way our politics works, it's not all— of course the way our politics works, it's not all about one perse— works, it's not all about one petse its— works, it's not all about one person, it's about- works, it's not all about one person, it's about parties and its— person, it's about parties and it-s—tepetaity it's about cabinets. hopefully mating— it's about cabinets. hopefully matimg itavimg— it's about cabinets. hopefully making having a smart bunch, you mew,— making having a smart bunch, you knew tits.— making having a smart bunch, you know, mrs. thatcher— making having a smart bunch, you know, mrs. thatcher an know, mrs. thatcher had an amazing— know, mrs. thatcher had an amazing cabinet of incredible peepie—eamyi amazing cabinet of incredible. peepie—eamy eat people that helped her carry out what— people that helped her carry out what site— people that helped her carry out what she wanted— people that helped her carry out what she wanted to do and also were contributing— what she wanted to do and also were contributing enormously to that— were contributing enormously to titat saeeess— were contributing enormously to that success. and— were contributing enormously to that success. and i— were contributing enormously to that success. and i think there are that success. and i think there itepemiiy— that success. and i think there are hopefully what we i would tite— are hopefully what we i would iite te— are hopefully what we i would iite te see— are hopefully what we i would like to see is— are hopefully what we i would like to see is that— are hopefully what we i would like to see is that maybe when the like to see is that maybe when tite tevies— like to see is that maybe when the tories come— like to see is that maybe when the tories come back, it's not test— the tories come back, it's not test tit— the tories come back, it's not test tit tet— the tories come back, it's not just tit for tat— the tories come back, it's not just tit for tat retaliatory, its— just tit for tat retaliatory, it-s met— just tit for tat retaliatory, it-s met tast— just tit for tat retaliatory, it's not just about keir starmer or it's not just about keir starmer _ateem— it's not just about keir starmer _ateem very— it's not just about keir starmer or- been very easy.- it's not just about keir starmer or been very easy. was or that's been very easy. it was all or that's been very easy. it was aii-eevtym— or that's been very easy. it was aii-eevtym get- or that's been very easy. it was all-corbyn got rid- or that's been very easy. it was all corbyn got rid of all about corbyn got rid of eevtym— all about corbyn got rid of eemym, mew— all about corbyn got rid of corbyn, now it's- all about corbyn got rid of corbyn, now it's about starmer. i corbyn, now it's about starmer. i wist— corbyn, now it's about starmer. i visit it— corbyn, now it's about starmer. i visit it was— corbyn, now it's about starmer. iwish it was just— corbyn, now it's about starmer. i wish it was just about labour iwish it was just about labour amt— iwish it was just about labour amt-were— iwish it was just about labour and -were talking- i wish it was just about labour and were talking about the and they were talking about the tevies— tories as a government and what titey-ve— tories as a government and what they've-obviously- tories as a government and what they've obviously it's they've done. but obviously it's easy— they've done. but obviously it's easylitasit— they've done. but obviously it's easylitasit tite— they've done. but obviously it's easy bash the person and but easy to bash the person and but on easy to bash the person and but at titis— easy to bash the person and but at titis ease— easy to bash the person and but on this case, if— easy to bash the person and but on this case, if it's— easy to bash the person and but on this case, if it's about the eey— on this case, if it's about the economy-said,- on this case, if it's about the. economy-said,.was economy as nigel said, he was the chancellor— economy as nigel said, he was the chancellor ,_ economy as nigel said, he was the chancellor , right? so, okay, the chancellor, right? so, okay, if

the chancellor, right? so, okay, it yea— the chancellor, right? so, okay, it yea-te— the chancellor, right? so, okay, it yea-te-em- the chancellor, right? so, okay, if you to on someone, if you want to pick on someone, he if you want to pick on someone, ite—im— if you want to pick on someone, ite—im eitage- if you want to pick on someone,| he_in charge .that he was the guy in charge at that memet— he was the guy in charge at that mememt-weii— he was the guy in charge at that moment-we'll-to. he was the guy in charge at thati moment-we'll-to this moment. we'll move on to this one because i can report one now because i can report that another staple that yet another staple of pop culture relaunch . culture is getting a relaunch. yes. legendary 1970s film grease is returning as a tv prequel, which will reportedly feature a multicultural all female line up and also , somewhat strangely, a and also, somewhat strangely, a song about white supremacy. linda i'll turn to you first. would you will you be watching the grease reboot? no, no , the grease reboot? no, no, absolutely not. do you want to be a— absolutely not. do you want to be a pint— absolutely not. do you want to be a pimt iatye— absolutely not. do you want to be a pink lady? no— absolutely not. do you want to be a pink lady? no you- give do you want to be a pink lady? no you are found this be a pink lady? no you are found titis evemimg— be a pink lady? no you are found titis evemimg .— be a pink lady? no you are found this evening . exactly. that's this evening. exactly. that's true.— this evening. exactly. that's true. inverted— this evening. exactly. that's true. inverted commas. this evening. exactly. that's true. inverted commas . the true. inverted commas. the iaetet— true. inverted commas. the iaetet i— true. inverted commas. the iaetet i titt— true. inverted commas. the jacket i kind of— true. inverted commas. the jacket i kind of did like the i wasmt— jacket i kind of did like the i wasttt titt— jacket i kind of did like the i wasn't kind of— jacket i kind of did like the i wasn't kind of over keen on the evigimai— wasn't kind of over keen on the etigimai tiim. — wasn't kind of over keen on the original film. i— wasn't kind of over keen on the original film. i thought it was interesting,— original film. i thought it was interesting, you— original film. i thought it was interesting, you know, quite emtevtaimimg— interesting, you know, quite entertaining. but what? i can't amtevstamt— entertaining. but what? i can't amtevstamt, i— entertaining. but what? i can't understand, i think neil and i taitimg— understand, i think neil and i were talking about this earlier is-eam-t— were talking about this earlier is-eam-t peepie— were talking about this earlier is can't people just come up is why can't people just come up witt— is why can't people just come up with a— is why can't people just come up with a veaiiy— is why can't people just come up with a really original idea ? why with a really original idea? why do with a really original idea? why te titey— with a really original idea? why te titey tave— with a really original idea? why do they have to— with a really original idea? why do they have to remake anything 7 do they have to remake anything e vett— do they have to remake anything e wat i— do they have to remake anything ? well, i mean,— do they have to remake anything ? well, i mean, there- do they have to remake anything ? " act; at; ? well, i mean, there are original things on tv, but you know, the actual answer is because if you write an original thing, , instead of thing, you could, instead of calling ladies, you calling it the pink ladies, you could about could just have a thing about

school gangs for girls. no one would it. but you got the would watch it. but you got the word grease in all the promotion . all of sudden we're . all of a sudden we're interested talking interested and we're talking about it. sounds like i'm pattimg— about it. sounds like i'm pattimg im— about it. sounds like i'm putting i'm just- c sounds like i'm putting i'm just being t—bird putting i'm just being a t—bird mete.— putting i'm just being a t—bird mete-am— putting i'm just being a t—bird here.-an-t—bird,- putting i'm just being a t—bird here. an t—bird, cheesy, here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, vou— here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, yea mew— here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, yea mew .— here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, yea mew lmet— here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, you know ,-not-to- here. i'm an old t—bird, cheesy, you know , not to say you know, i'm not going to say it-i-m— you know, i'm not going to say it-i-m met— you know, i'm not going to say it-i-m met geimg— it now. i'm not going to use that— it now. i'm not going to use mat-wett— it now. i'm not going to use that-word.-hang- it now. i'm not going to use that word. hang on. that old word. i'm hang on. say— that old word. i'm hang on. say, semy— that old word. i'm hang on. say, semy .— that old word. i'm hang on. say, semy . we,- that old word. i'm hang on. sorry, sorry . no, but look, the sorry, sorry. no, but look, the gease— sorry, sorry. no, but look, the grease was, what,— sorry, sorry. no, but look, the grease was, what, 1979? 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it was? it was a great make a make \t 91 about something it was? it was a great make a make \t 91 something it was? it was a great make a make \t 91 [imagining it was? it was a great make a- makeibut nigel, both grease one else. but nigel, both grease one and two effectively kind of and two were effectively kind of work. social work. they were about the social awkwardness being the awkwardness and not being the person who fits in straight away. obviously grease two was terrible, but were roughly terrible, but they were roughly the same film. yeah. i mean, it was-gvewimg— the same film. yeah. i mean, it was-gvewimg-iti the same film. yeah. i mean, iti was-growing-it was was about growing up and it was ateat— was about growing up and it was about-difficult— was about growing up and it was about difficult adolescence about how difficult adolescence islaii— about how difficult adolescence islaii titese— about how difficult adolescence is all those people is for all those people concerned.— is for all those people. concerned.-was is for all those people- concerned.-was what, concerned. and that was what, you— concerned. and that was what, yea mew,— concerned. and that was what, yea knew it— concerned. and that was what, you know, it wasn't about the petities— you know, it wasn't about the petities et— you know, it wasn't about the petities et it.— you know, it wasn't about the politics of it. it— you know, it wasn't about the politics of it. it wasn't about seeiai— politics of it. it wasn't about social issues— politics of it. it wasn't about social issues that— politics of it. it wasn't about social issues that we're evpeviemeimg— social issues that we're experiencing now . however, i'd experiencing now. however, i'd tite— experiencing now. however, i'd iite te— experiencing now. however, i'd iite te see— experiencing now. however, i'd iite te mew— experiencing now. however, i'd like to see how it— experiencing now. however, i'd like to see how it pans out on tite— like to see how it pans out on tite tasis— like to see how it pans out on the basis that— like to see how it pans out on the basis that we— like to see how it pans out on the basis that we do make emaet— the basis that we do make emaet et— the basis that we do make remakes of stuff. i mean, look, you— remakes of stuff. i mean, look, yea mew— remakes of stuff. i mean, look, yea mew ,— remakes of stuff. i mean, look, yea mew , titat— remakes of stuff. i mean, look, you know , that true something you know, that true something tite— you know, that true something iite itemee— you know, that true something like romeo and— you know, that true something like romeo and juliet becomes vvest— like romeo and juliet becomes vvest site— like romeo and juliet becomes west side story.— like romeo and juliet becomes west side story. we've got itaetetit— west side story. we've got itaeitetit ,— west side story. we've got macbeth , which can be set in an macbeth, which can be set in an east— macbeth, which can be set in an tast twepeam— macbeth, which can be set in an east european dictatorship. so i'm east european dictatorship. so i-m met— east european dictatorship. so i'm not against— east european dictatorship. so i'm not against the idea of emaet— i'm not against the idea of remakes sing— i'm not against the idea of remakes sing something and also titat— remakes sing something and also issues that happen— remakes sing something and also issues that happen now also evistet— issues that happen now also evistet im— issues that happen now also existed in the— issues that happen now also existed in the 1950s. we just set— existed in the 1950s. we just set et— existed in the 1950s. we just sort of talked— existed in the 1950s. we just sort of talked about them. yeah. amt— sort of talked about them. yeah. amt ee— sort of talked about them. yeah. amt titimg— sort of talked about them. yeah. and one thing to— sort of talked about them. yeah. and one thing to be fair, we tave— and one thing to be fair, we have te— and one thing to be fair, we have te see— and one thing to be fair, we have to see the— and one thing to be fair, we have to see the program before we veaiiy— have to see the program before we can really comment on it, eeease— we can really comment on it, teeaase-we— we can really comment on it, teeaase-we te- we can really comment on it, because we do because you because no, we do because you mew— because no, we do because you mew-its— because no, we do because you mew-its tite— because no, we do because you know-it's like. they- because no, we do because you know it's like. they pick know what it's like. they pick eat—

know what it's like. they pick eatleeapie— know what it's like. they pick eatleeapie et— know what it's like. they pick out couple of juicy bits that out a couple of juicy bits that ati— out a couple of juicy bits that ati geimg— out a couple of juicy bits that we're all going to— out a couple of juicy bits that we're all going to no, we're all going to go, oh no, titis— we're all going to go, oh no,- titis—migitt this sounds awful. and it might aetaaiiy—se- this sounds awful. and it might actually so maybe actually be brilliant. so maybe iet-s— actually be brilliant. so maybe tet-s tast— actually be brilliant. so maybe let's just come— actually be brilliant. so maybe let's just come on. _ actually be brilliant. so maybe let's just come on. i'll watch it-titem— let's just come on. i'll watch it-titem iet-s— let's just come on. i'll watch it-then let's get- let's just come on. i'll watch it then let's get back on it first, then let's get back on tiseassimg— it first, then let's get back on discussing how's— it first, then let's get back on discussing how's that look? is that— discussing how's that look? is titat—veiee- that too fair? the voice of reason . .loving- that too fair? the voice of. reason . .lovingiwell, reason. i'm loving it. well, finally tonight , have you finally tonight, have you encountered any traffic jams this i hope they were this easter? i hope they were not as one that some not as bad as the one that some shoppers encountered in a cardiff park cardiff multi—storey car park yesterday . traffic lights yesterday. traffic lights outside blamed outside the building were blamed for queue, which for a three hour queue, which led to some people just abandoning cars . neil no abandoning their cars. neil no one likes a traffic jam ever. just given up and thought i'll buy car. now that's why buy a new car. now that's why i tite— buy a new car. now that's why i vite a— buy a new car. now that's why i ride a motorbike— buy a new car. now that's why i ride a motorbike round- tat?” now that's why i ride a motorbike round town titeagit— ride a motorbike round town titeagit-i- ride a motorbike round town titeagit-i tast- ride a motorbike round town though, i just honestly, though, because i just honestly, i though, because i just honestly, i-se— though, because i just honestly, i-se tet— though, because i just honestly, i-se tetlwitit- though, because i just honestly, i-so fed .with the. i just get so fed up with the traffic— i just get so fed up with the traffic jams— i just get so fed up with the traffic jams everywhere. but no, i_w— traffic jams everywhere. but no, u—my - traffic jams everywhere. but no, u—my butl i wouldn't leave my car. but we— i wouldn't leave my car. but rve—of— i wouldn't leave my car. but rve—of many- i wouldn't leave my car. but rve—of many al i wouldn't leave my car. but. i've—of many a cab, i've jumped out of many a cab, as rm— i've jumped out of many a cab, as i'm sure we all— i've jumped out of many a cab, as i'm sure we all have. because you-e— as i'm sure we all have. because you-.._go..g. you're sitting there not going anywhere,— you're sitting there not going anywhrack— you're sitting there not going anywhrack.and- you're sitting there not going anywh rack and think, what's metre rack up and think, what's the-get— metre rack up and think, what's the-get-and- the point.7 i'll get out and walk.— the point.7 i'll get out and walk. it— the point.7 i'll get out and walk. it will— the point.7 i'll get out and walk. it will be- the point.7 i'll get out and walk. it will be quicker, but abandoning— walk. it will be quicker, but abandoning my— walk. it will be quicker, but abandoning my that walk. it will be quicker, but abandoning my-that what abandoning my car that know what happens— abandoning my car that know what happens-the— abandoning my car that know what happens the because then happens to the car because then eveonery— happens to the car because then eeryone .nno — happens to the car because then everyone who stuck everyone else who stuck behind your— everyone else who stuck behind your-oney— everyone else who stuck behind your-oney orn-r- everyone else who stuck behind your they ain't going your car that they ain't going to your car that they ain't going ro ne— your car that they ain't going ro be moving,— your car that they ain't going to be moving, are they? let's be noneer. — to be moving, are they? let's be noneer. _pornr.— to be moving, are they? let's be honest. _point.lmean,. honest. good point. i mean, i used live near bluewater and used to live near bluewater and once a year a thing. once a year it was a thing. you

got careful they'd got to be careful because they'd have people have eight hour queues as people try and get out because the way the are set around there the roads are set around there and nigel, you're around that rough around that, around that way. no abandon way. no one i wouldn't abandon a car. way. no one i wouldn't abandon a eon—nny— way. no one i wouldn't abandon a eon—nny-ren- car. but here's why that a few days— car. but here's why that a few days ago— car. but here's why that a few days ago eroooeo— car. but here's why that a few days ago stopped outside a post office— days ago stopped outside a post office ro— days ago stopped outside a post one o poor— days ago stopped outside a post office to post a— days ago stopped outside a post office to post a letter . i days ago stopped outside a post office to post a letter. i leapt our— office to post a letter. i leapt our of— office to post a letter. i leapt our or my— office to post a letter. i leapt out of my wife's— office to post a letter. i leapt out of my wife's car, went in onene— out of my wife's car, went in rnere, earne— out of my wife's car, went in there, came out— out of my wife's car, went in there, came out and tried to get inro— there, came out and tried to get no one— there, came out and tried to get no rne wrong— there, came out and tried to get into the wrong car. _ there, came out and tried to get into the wrong car. she then she onen— into the wrong car. she then she rnen nones— into the wrong car. she then she then makes the _ into the wrong car. she then she then makes the point that if i ever abandon— then makes the point that if i ever abandon my— then makes the point that if i ever abandon my car, i'd never be one— ever abandon my car, i'd never be one ro— ever abandon my car, i'd never be able to find— ever abandon my car, i'd never be able to find it— ever abandon my car, i'd never be able to find it again. rnnr-e— be able to find it again. that's true. _ be able to find it again. that's true. and - be able to find it again. that's true. and linda. be able to find it again. that's true. and linda everjust that's true. and linda ever just given up and thought, you know what, i'll i'll move and start a new life elsewhere. this is too bad. i kind of because bad. i kind of did because i moved— bad. i kind of did because i moved-berry- jar: i kind of did because i moved pretty little town moved to a pretty little town eoueo— moved to a pretty little town called - because - moved to a pretty little town called because got so called marlow because i got so enn— called marlow because i got so non-nonre— called marlow because i got so sick-traffic in— called marlow because i got so sick-traffic in the- called marlow because i got so sick traffic in the part sick of the traffic in the part of sick of the traffic in the part or rreer— sick of the traffic in the part of west london _ sick of the traffic in the part of west london where i live , of west london where i live, nnren— of west london where i live, nnren noe— of west london where i live, which was truly— of west london where i live, which was truly horrendous neeonee— which was truly horrendous because hammersmith bridge eroeeo— because hammersmith bridge eroeeo ,— because hammersmith bridge closed , right?— because hammersmith bridge closed , right? and then closed, right? and then everyrnrng— closed, right? and then everything poured onto two narrow roads— everything poured onto two narrow roads and there was a rou— narrow roads and there was a ran nook— narrow roads and there was a rail track with— narrow roads and there was a rail track with four level eroeernee — rail track with four level crossings. it— rail track with four level crossings. it was like a eonorere— crossings. it was like a complete nightmare . and so complete nightmare. and so i moved— complete nightmare. and so i moved our— complete nightmare. and so i moved out and— complete nightmare. and so i moved out and now i'm very happy because— moved out and now i'm very happy because r-n— moved out and now i'm very happy because r-n very— moved out and now i'm very happy because i'm very rarely in a nonre— because i'm very rarely in a name ran,— because i'm very rarely in a traffic jam, maybe six cars. you

erreerrvery— traffic jam, maybe six cars. you effectively were _ traffic jam, maybe six cars. you effectively were living in the nor— effectively were living in the first probably— effectively were living in the first probably the first test of or— first probably the first test of one of those— first probably the first test of one of those low— first probably the first test of one of those low traffic neighbourhoods where neighbourhoods areas where you just neighbourhoods areas where you j'ust-drive- — neighbourhoods areas where you j'ust-drive- on— neighbourhoods areas where you just-drive. oh no,- neighbourhoods areas where you just drive. oh no, no, no. just can't drive. oh no, no, no. rnre— just can't drive. oh no, no, no. rnre re— just can't drive. oh no, no, no. rnre re une— just can't drive. oh no, no, no. this is like 20— just can't drive. oh no, no, no. this is like 20 mile an hour ou— this is like 20 mile an hour zones all richmond. hate zones all over richmond. i hate going— zones all over richmond. i hate going nook— zones all over richmond. i hate going back there. _ zones all over richmond. i hate going back there. i— zones all over richmond. i hate going back there. i hate it. i noo— going back there. i hate it. i nor ro— going back there. i hate it. i nor o 90— going back there. i hate it. i had to go back— going back there. i hate it. i had to go back to sunday lunch roan.— had to go back to sunday lunch roooy. wnor— had to go back to sunday lunch today. what nightmare. mean today. what a nightmare. i mean , yon— today. what a nightmare. i mean , can you actually— today. what a nightmare. i mean , can you actually don't you fine— , can you actually don't you fine n— , can you actually don't you find it difficult— , can you actually don't you find it difficult to drive at 20 nrree— find it difficult to drive at 20 miles on— find it difficult to drive at 20 miles an hour?— find it difficult to drive at 20 miles an hour? well, you do have to miles an hour? well, you do have ro onene— miles an hour? well, you do have no oroerree n. — miles an hour? well, you do have to practise it. or— miles an hour? well, you do have to practise it. or of— miles an hour? well, you do have to practise it. q” raritr. to practise it. or of course, you get annoyed 20 you could get annoyed by the 20 miles an and abandon miles an hour and just abandon your walk . if you your car, go for a walk. if you find car left on the am on find a car left on the am on the way home, it'll be my fault. well can all agree, though well we can all agree, though you're does seem a bit you're right. it does seem a bit harsh of harsh because i imagine all of the you've bought in the things you've just bought in the things you've just bought in the in the the shopping centre are in the car , so silly to car, so it seems silly to abandon the car you've just wasted all that day. yeah, well, listen, wasted all that day. yeah, well, neren rnonk— wasted all that day. yeah, well, listen, thank you _ wasted all that day. yeah, well, listen, thank you very- : car yeah, well, listen, thank you very much to my nnuronr— listen, thank you very much to my brilliant pundits tonight. rnnnk— my brilliant pundits tonight. rnnnk-rne- my brilliant pundits tonight. thank-the guests. thank you to all the guests who've thank who've kept us informed. thank you all of you watching. and you for all of you watching. and of course, headliners is on the way you next mark dolan will way for you next mark dolan will return to this job properly. return to do this job properly. it's been a pleasure doing this over the last few days. an easter me and

easter treat for me and hopefully a bearable easter treat for you. yourself treat for you. but get yourself set for the newspapers being set up for the newspapers being reviewed way next, as reviewed on the way next, as headliners over. we'll see headliners takes over. we'll see you time . hello there. very you next time. hello there. very good— you next time. hello there. very good evening.— you next time. hello there. very good eyenrng. r-n— "rzyxe e hello there. very good evening. i'm jonathan vonrrey.— good evening. i'm jonathan vonrrey. nere— good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. here is— good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. here is your latest neorner— vautrey. here is your latest weather update— vautrey. here is your latest weather update from the met office.— weather update from the met one were— weather update from the met office. we're seeing a change to eonernrne— office. we're seeing a change to something more— office. we're seeing a change to something more unsettled as we need— something more unsettled as we head throughout— something more unsettled as we head throughout tonight over head throughout tonight and over the head throughout tonight and over one-ooye— head throughout tonight and over one-ooye oe— head throughout tonight and over one-ooye on high- the next few days as high pressure-its- the next few days as high pressure its way off. pressure drifts its way off. no— pressure drifts its way off. it's allowing— pressure drifts its way off. it's allowing weather it's allowing these weather nonre— it's allowing these weather fronts. start— it's allowing these weather fronts-start-inl it's allowing these weather. fronts-start-in from fronts to start pushing in from the fronts to start pushing in from rne arronrre— fronts to start pushing in from the atlantic and— fronts to start pushing in from the atlantic and bring us these opene— the atlantic and bring us these opens-eno— the atlantic and bring us these spells and showers. the spells of rain and showers. the reonore— spells of rain and showers. the reonore eno— spells of rain and showers. the isobars also squeezing together a isobars also squeezing together one-re— isobars also squeezing together ornolre so— isobars also squeezing together olnore so we— isobars also squeezing together a.more. so we will- isobars also squeezing together a more. so we will certainly a bit more. so we will certainly o nrnoy— a bit more. so we will certainly see a windy night— a bit more. so we will certainly see a windy night to come, oonrenrony— see a windy night to come, particularly around coastal areas—where. particularly around coastal. areas—where there particularly around coastal- areas_where there is areas of scotland where there is the areas of scotland where there is one-some— areas of scotland where there is the-some gales.- areas of scotland where there is the some gales. the rain the risk of some gales. the rain moving— the risk of some gales. the rain moving-northern- the risk of some gales. the rain moving northern ireland moving from northern ireland inro— moving from northern ireland rnro neeernr — moving from northern ireland into western scotland, it into western scotland, where it could— into western scotland, where it eonro—o- into western scotland, where it eonro—o one.- could be heavy for a time. eenerouy— could be heavy for a time. i generally—and generally across england and rroree— generally across england and woes-wru- generally across england and wales-will come- generally across england and wales will come and wales the rain will come and go one— wales the rain will come and go one-o— wales the rain will come and go ono-oloorenrer- and we'll be a bit patchier rnronon— and we'll be a bit patchier rnronon one— and we'll be a bit patchier through the night. some clearer opene— through the night. some clearer opens for— through the night. some clearer spells for-ireland- through the night. some clearer spells for ireland and spells for northern ireland and rreerern— western scotland later on. but no— western scotland later on. but no wru— western scotland later on. but that will allow— western scotland later on. but that will allow temperatures to just that will allow temperatures to ioe—nee. l just drop off a bit more here. ereennere— just drop off a bit more here. elsewhere underneath the cloud, it's elsewhere underneath the cloud, ire—o— elsewhere underneath the cloud, rr-e—o-nronr- elsewhere underneath the cloud, rr-e—o-nronr -l it's going to be a mild night. we non-r— it's going to be a mild night. we won't-lower. it's going to be a mild night. we won't lower than we won't see much lower than 9 or re c— we won't see much lower than 9 or re c rneeon— we won't see much lower than 9 or 10 c means it— we won't see much lower than 9 or 10 c means it also will be a eronoy— or10 c means it also will be a cloudy soon— or10 c means it also will be a eronoy eron ro— or 10 c means it also will be a cloudy start to easter monday . cloudy start to easter monday. rne— cloudy start to easter monday. rne rorn—

cloudy start to easter monday. the rain lingering across the eonrneoer— the rain lingering across the southeast until— the rain lingering across the southeast until the afternoon, reouy.— southeast until the afternoon, reouy. ano— southeast until the afternoon, really. and also— southeast until the afternoon, really. and also across shetland,— really. and also across shetland, behind that, we will see some sunny— shetland, behind that, we will see some sunny spells. but quite freonenr— see some sunny spells. but quite freonenr-novrno- see some sunny spells. but quite frequent-moving in- see some sunny spells. but quite frequent moving in as frequent showers moving in as wen.— frequent showers moving in as neu. rneee— frequent showers moving in as well. these could— frequent showers moving in as well. these could be heavy in procee— well. these could be heavy in proeee wron— well. these could be heavy in places with the— well. these could be heavy in places with the risk some places with the risk of some non— places with the risk of some hail-thunder— places with the risk of some hail-thunder .- places with the risk of some hail thunder . temperatures hail and thunder. temperatures erronrry— hail and thunder. temperatures enemy—ro- slightly down compared to sonooy— slightly down compared to sunday, still— slightly down compared to sunday, still around average for the sunday, still around average for one rime— sunday, still around average for one one or— sunday, still around average for the time of year. _ sunday, still around average for the time of year. but there will be the time of year. but there willi ne—oe be that fresh breeze in place as neu— be that fresh breeze in place as over .— be that fresh breeze in place as over . so— be that fresh breeze in place as well . so showers— be that fresh breeze in place as well . so showers continuing into well. so showers continuing into the well. so showers continuing into one evening,— well. so showers continuing into the evening, particularly the nonnern— the evening, particularly the northern half— the evening, particularly the northern half of— the evening, particularly the northern half of the uk and over the northern half of the uk and over one nroner— northern half of the uk and over the higher ground— northern half of the uk and over the higher ground of scotland. t hey— the higher ground of scotland. rney corro— the higher ground of scotland. rney eonro ne— the higher ground of scotland. they could be wintry for a time inro— they could be wintry for a time moo-nonre— they could be wintry for a time into-hours of- they could be wintry for a time into hours of tuesday into the early hours of tuesday . rne— into the early hours of tuesday . the showers— into the early hours of tuesday . the showers will— into the early hours of tuesday . the showers will to die . the showers will tend to die onen— . the showers will tend to die rnerr-o— . the showers will tend to die rnerr-olnore- their way off a bit more. rney-u— their way off a bit more. rney-u-o- their way off a bit more.- they'll-a scattering in they'll still be a scattering in proce— they'll still be a scattering in oroee oe— they'll still be a scattering in oroee oe ne— they'll still be a scattering in place as we start— they'll still be a scattering in place as we start off the day . place as we start off the day. eenerouy— place as we start off the day. generally some— place as we start off the day. generally some clearer spells to neon— generally some clearer spells to been wron— generally some clearer spells to begin rnrn nor— generally some clearer spells to begin with, but we're then norenrno— begin with, but we're then watching this— begin with, but we're then watching this rain as it starts onenrno— watching this rain as it starts onenrno rn— watching this rain as it starts pushing in from _ watching this rain as it starts pushing in from southwest. pushing in from the southwest. ore-u— pushing in from the southwest. wen-inro— pushing in from the southwest. we'll into southwest we'll move into southwest engine,— we'll move into southwest england, wales and northern rrerono— england, wales and northern rrerono nor— england, wales and northern ireland for the— england, wales and northern ireland for the afternoon as neu— ireland for the afternoon as over ,— ireland for the afternoon as well , turning— ireland for the afternoon as well , turning damp and wet well, turning quite damp and wet nee.— well, turning quite damp and wet nere. nor— well, turning quite damp and wet nere. on no— well, turning quite damp and wet here. but it's also— well, turning quite damp and wet here. but it's also going to be oeeonponreo— here. but it's also going to be accompanied squeeze accompanied by a squeeze in rnoee— accompanied by a squeeze in rnoee reonore— accompanied by a squeeze in those isobars .— accompanied by a squeeze in those isobars . and that what those isobars. and that is what eonro—onrre- could bring some quite disruptive— could bring some quite disruptive winds western disruptive winds to western or— disruptive winds to western areas of the— disruptive winds to western areas of the uk.— disruptive winds to western areas of the uk. so we do have yeuon— areas of the uk. so we do have yellow weather— areas of the uk. so we do have yellow weather warnings in force for rneeooy—

yellow weather warnings in force for tuesday night— yellow weather warnings in force for tuesday night into wednesday for tuesday night into wednesday for nor— for tuesday night into wednesday for that possible— for tuesday night into wednesday for that possible disruption . for that possible disruption. ornernree— for that possible disruption. otherwise it's— for that possible disruption. otherwise it's look to stay enonery— otherwise it's look to stay enonery oe— otherwise it's look to stay showery as we _ otherwise it's look to stay showery as we move into the second— showery as we move into the second non— showery as we move into the second half of— showery as we move into the second half of the as well second half of the week as well