gb news. well. yeah, good afternoon, everybody. patrick christys here wm.— everybody. patrick christys here with you. — everybody. patrick christys here with you. three— everybody. patrick christys here with you. three till— ”g : patrick christys here with you. three till six on gb news— with you. three till six on gb news and— with you. three till six on gb news and rm— with you. three till six on gb news and i'm going to start today— news and i'm going to start today with— news and i'm going to start today with a— news and i'm going to start today with a bit— news and i'm going to start today with a bit of breaking wat— today with a bit of breaking news that just— today with a bit of breaking news that just emerged in the west— news that just emerged in the last few— news that just emerged in the last few moments, which is powe— last few moments, which is police in— last few moments, which is police in northern ireland, in lowdowderw— police in northern ireland, in. londonderry_attacked londonderry have been attacked at londonderry have been attacked w—wwe— londonderry have been attacked w—wwe more- londonderry have been attacked at_have more on. at a march. i'll have more on what— at a march. i'll have more on wet-just- at a march. i'll have more on twat-just a- at a march. i'll have more on that-just a second.| that for you in just a second. sw— that for you in just a second. but-we— that for you in just a second. but-we also— that for you in just a second. but are also starting with but we are also starting with we— but we are also starting with we show— but we are also starting with the show about— but we are also starting with the show about some coronation cowwwew — the show about some coronation controversy. that's— the show about some coronation controversy. that's right. suppose— controversy. that's right.| suppose-going controversy. that's right. . suppose—going w controversy. that's right. - suppose-going to be suppose camilla is going to be using— suppose camilla is going to be using-wow— suppose camilla is going to be using ivory sceptre, various using an ivory sceptre, various different— using an ivory sceptre, various different groups— using an ivory sceptre, various different groups are absolutely fining— different groups are absolutely fining about— different groups are absolutely fizzing about all— different groups are absolutely fizzing about all of this. i'll wu— fizzing about all of this. i'll tell you— fizzing about all of this. i'll tell you why. — fizzing about all of this. i'll tell you why. very, very showy. — tell you why. very, very shortly. and _ tell you why. very, very shortly. and in other news as wen,— shortly. and in other news as wetl-we— shortly. and in other news as well,-we protect- shortly. and in other news as well, we protect our nhs.7 well, should we protect our nhs.7 people— well, should we protect our nhs.7 people ee— well, should we protect our nhs.7 people are being—

well, should we protect our nhs.7 people are being urged to watch whee— people are being urged to watch what they— people are being urged to watch what they do— people are being urged to watch what they do while junior doctore— what they do while junior doctors are— what they do while junior doctors are on— what they do while junior doctors are on strike. shouldn't it doctors are on strike. shouldn't we be— doctors are on strike. shouldn't we be we— doctors are on strike. shouldn't we be we wws— doctors are on strike. shouldn't it be the nhs protecting us and swwew— it be the nhs protecting us and swwew eweew— it be the nhs protecting us and sunak attack labour are going to deeme— sunak attack labour are going to double down— sunak attack labour are going to double down and— sunak attack labour are going to double down and keep attacking wew— double down and keep attacking wew sunak— double down and keep attacking rishi sunak for— double down and keep attacking rishi sunak for some pretty ewwewe— rishi sunak for some pretty dubious claims.— rishi sunak for some pretty dubious claims. i'll have more we— dubious claims. i'll have more info for— dubious claims. i'll have more info few we— dubious claims. i'll have more info for you very,— dubious claims. i'll have more info for you very, shortly. info for you very, very shortly. awe— info for you very, very shortly. awe wweuw— info for you very, very shortly. and finally as— info for you very, very shortly. and finally as well we've got we— and finally as well we've got the taj— and finally as well we've got the taj mahal._ and finally as well we've got the taj mahal. we've got the pyramids,— the taj mahal. we've got the pyramids, we've— the taj mahal. we've got the pyramids, we've the great pyramids, we've got the great wen—new,- wall of china. and now, ladies ewe— wall of china. and now, ladies. and _we've-birkin and gentlemen, we've got birkin had and gentlemen, we've got birkin wee-were— and gentlemen, we've got birkin had-that's right.- and gentlemen, we've got birkin had-that's right. it- had park. yes, that's right. it cowe— had park. yes, that's right. it eewwlw— had park. yes, that's right. it could i in the _ had park. yes, that's right. it could in the running anyway could be in the running anyway to could be in the running anyway we be— could be in the running anyway be be e— could be in the running anyway to be a unesco— could be in the running anyway to be a unesco world heritage ebe. — to be a unesco world heritage ewe-webb— to be a unesco world heritage site. that's absolutely site. i think that's absolutely bewbeebe— site. i think that's absolutely. fantastic—stuck fantastic news. we'll get stuck webb— fantastic news. we'll get stuck webb-wew— fantastic news. we'll get stuck right-very shortly- fantastic news. we'll get stuck right very shortly . right into that very shortly. beb— right into that very shortly. be bbeee— right into that very shortly. get those emails coming in gb vbewe— get those emails coming in gb vbewe eb— get those emails coming in gb views at gbnews.uk . [be/eye i want views at gbnews.uk. okay. i want to views at gbnews.uk. okay. i want be knew— views at gbnews.uk. okay. i want to know whether— views at gbnews.uk. okay. i want to know whether or— views at gbnews.uk. okay. i want to know whether or not— views at gbnews.uk. i want to know whether or not you think web— to know whether or not you think we cembue— to know whether or not you think that camilla should ditch that wow— that camilla should ditch that ivory eeebwe— that camilla should ditch that ivory sceptre and— that camilla should ditch that ivory sceptre and whether or not you— ivory sceptre and whether or not we bbbw— ivory sceptre and whether or not you ebbw ee— ivory sceptre and whether or not you think as-that- ivory sceptre and whether or not you think as that we should you think as well that we should be-ewb— you think as well that we should be-ewb eb— you think as well that we should be-ewb be ew— you think as well that we should be-out of our way- you think as well that we should be out of our way to not be going out of our way to not ewerewebeb — be going out of our way to not overstretch the _ be going out of our way to not overstretch the nhs in light of these— overstretch the nhs in light of bee bigw— overstretch the nhs in light of bbeee be, big,— overstretch the nhs in light of these big, big, big doctor's ewbbeee— these big, big, big doctor's strikes? gb— these big, big, big doctor's strikes? gb views gb news .uk get strikes? gb views gb news .uk gee bbem— strikes? gb views gb news .uk get them coming— strikes? gb views gb news .uk get them coming in. but right we— get them coming in. but right b-e wow— get them coming in. but right now it's your headlines.

bewbeb. — now it's your headlines. patrick. thank you . c 15 o�* patrick. thank you. it's 3:01. b-w — patrick. thank you. it's 3:01. b-w besweb— patrick. thank you. it's 3:01. i'm tamsen roberts in the gb newsroom with the latest . well, newsroom with the latest. well, some breaking news this hour. police in northern ireland have come under attack in londonderry missiles, including petrol bombs have been thrown at a car during an illegal anti republican march. the force has been on high alert after the terror threat was raised over possible attacks targeting officers. the violence comes ahead of the prime minister's visit. rishi sunak will be in belfast tomorrow to host us president joe biden, marking the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement. so that news just in and we will, of course, have more on this story as we get it. nhs england says emergency care will be prioritised during the junior doctors strike. the four day walkout, which begins tomorrow morning, is being described as the most disruptive industrial action in nhs history. the health body warns

the dispute over pay will mean appointments and operations will be cancelled and there'll be immense pressure on both staff and services . labour plans to and services. labour plans to launch more ads attacking the prime minister the next one blaming him for crashing the economy . the labour leader has economy. the labour leader has defended the first post targeting rishi sunak , which targeting rishi sunak, which suggests he doesn't want child sex abusers to go to jail . sex abusers to go to jail. writing in the daily mail, sir keir starmer says he makes zero. no apologies for the ad that's despite criticism from mps , despite criticism from mps, including those from within his own party, with lord blunkett calling it gutter politics. shadow attorney general emily thornberry says the criminal justice system is lacking . keir justice system is lacking. keir starmer has made it his- g keir starmer has made it his his bebbeebeb— starmer has made it his his dedicated his— starmer has made it his his dedicated his life to ensuring web— dedicated his life to ensuring we we— dedicated his life to ensuring that the criminal justice system wowe— that the criminal justice system works brebeww— that the criminal justice system works properly and he feels very ewewew— works properly and he feels very ewewgw ebewb— works properly and he feels very strongly about this— works properly and he feels very strongly about this and is being very— strongly about this and is being very bbww— strongly about this and is being very blunt about— strongly about this and is being very blunt about it . and yeah, very blunt about it. and yeah, we stewe— very blunt about it. and yeah, we ebewb by— very blunt about it. and yeah, we stand by this.—

very blunt about it. and yeah, we stand by this. if rishi sunak reebw— we stand by this. if rishi sunak reebw webbed— we stand by this. if rishi sunak really wanted to— we stand by this. if rishi sunak really wanted to stop child sex offenders— really wanted to stop child sex offenders from _ really wanted to stop child sex offenders from staying out of babb— offenders from staying out of bebb be— offenders from staying out of jaw, be cowbe— offenders from staying out of jail, he could do— offenders from staying out of jail, he could do something ebewb— jail, he could do something about b.— jail, he could do something about it. but— jail, he could do something about it. but he— jail, he could do something about it. but he is not doing wwbbbwg— about it. but he is not doing anything about— about it. but he is not doing anything about it. they are not taking— anything about it. they are not bewwg web— anything about it. they are not taking their failures seriously ewe— taking their failures seriously end we— taking their failures seriously and they should— taking their failures seriously and they should be doing a great bew— and they should be doing a great beeb mee— and they should be doing a great deal more than— and they should be doing a great deal more than they are . deal more than they are. travel webbe— deal more than they are. travel delays are— deal more than they are. travel delays are expected as thousands of people return from their easter getaways. well, our south—west of england reporter jeff moody is near ilchester in somerset . geoff, you're by the somerset. geoff, you're by the a 303 looking pretty slow there it is. it's 303 looking pretty slow there it is . it's been 303 looking pretty slow there it is. it's been bumper to bumper for is. it's been bumper to bumper be meet— is. it's been bumper to bumper be meeb eb— is. it's been bumper to bumper for most of the— is. it's been bumper to bumper for most of the day.— it's been bumper to bumper for most of the day. tamzin, ebb— for most of the day. tamzin, ebb be— for most of the day. tamzin, ebb be one— for most of the day. tamzin, this is one of— for most of the day. tamzin, this is one of the- for most of the day. tamzin, this is one of the main routes ewe— this is one of the main routes out be— this is one of the main routes out of been— this is one of the main routes out of devon and— this is one of the main routes out of devon and cornwall. most of out of devon and cornwall. most be we— out of devon and cornwall. most be be beebbe— out of devon and cornwall. most of the people that— out of devon and cornwall. most of the people that you can see are of the people that you can see be— of the people that you can see be we— of the people that you can see are in the traffic— of the people that you can see are in the traffic here have been— are in the traffic here have been heading— are in the traffic here have been heading down to devon and cobweb— been heading down to devon and cemwebb br— been heading down to devon and cornwall for the— been heading down to devon and cornwall for the easter weekend. bbew-e— cornwall for the easter weekend. they're heading— cornwall for the easter weekend. they're heading back into town ebb— they're heading back into town and thew-re— they're heading back into town and they're stuck— they're heading back into town and they're stuck in traffic . and they're stuck in traffic. webb— and they're stuck in traffic. web we— and they're stuck in traffic. well, the rac— and they're stuck in traffic. well, the rac is- and they're stuck in traffic. well, the rac is saying that 70 button— well, the rac is saying that 70 million leisure— well, the rac is saying that 70 million leisure trips by car webbe— million leisure trips by car would have— million leisure trips by car would have taken place by this tree— would have taken place by this tree bewbebb— would have taken place by this tree bewbebb .— would have taken place by this time tonight , 10,000 flights as time tonight, 10,000 flights as web— time tonight, 10,000 flights as web .— time tonight, 10,000 flights as web . ebb— time tonight, 10,000 flights as web . bbbe be— time tonight, 10,000 flights as well . this is 25%_ time tonight, 10,000 flights as well . this is 25% higher time tonight, 10,000 flights as

well. this is 25% higher than a woewb— well. this is 25% higher than a normal weekend— well. this is 25% higher than a normal weekend ,_ well. this is 25% higher than a normal weekend , but it's still normal weekend, but it's still down— normal weekend, but it's still down significantly on pre—pandemic levels, 13% down on before— pre—pandemic levels, 13% down on before 2020.— pre—pandemic levels, 13% down on before 2020. but— pre—pandemic levels, 13% down on before 2020. but but— pre—pandemic levels, 13% down on before 2020. but but we're not webbe— before 2020. but but we're not wearing oe— before 2020. but but we're not hearing oe onw— before 2020. but but we're not hearing of any major delays at bebowb— hearing of any major delays at bebowe, wo— hearing of any major delays at airports, nor major delays at boobe— airports, nor major delays at dover. certainly— airports, nor major delays at dover. certainly no sign of the booe— dover. certainly no sign of the ebooe b— dover. certainly no sign of the chaos at dover— dover. certainly no sign of the chaos at dover that we saw last weekend— chaos at dover that we saw last weekend .— chaos at dover that we saw last weekend . bee— chaos at dover that we saw last weekend . it's just— chaos at dover that we saw last weekend . it's just a very, very weekend. it's just a very, very bow— weekend. it's just a very, very bow towwew— weekend. it's just a very, very slow journey home. okay, geoff, ebowb— slow journey home. okay, geoff, ebowb wow. — slow journey home. okay, geoff, thank you. hopefully- slow journey home. okay, geoff, thank you. e cc thank you. hopefully it will ease off a bit for people there. jeff moody live for us in somerset at the people receiving the state pension will see their payments increase by 10.1% from today. the move was confirmed by the chancellor, jeremy hunt, in the chancellor, jeremy hunt, in the autumn statement. depending on the pension, weekly payments will rise to either . £156 or will rise to either. £156 or £203. the mother of two british israeli sisters who were killed in a west bank attack has died in a west bank attack has died in hospital. she was travelling with her daughters, maya and rina dodi, who were 20 and 15 years old when their car was

targeted by a suspected palestinian gunman. a funeral was held for the sisters on friday. the dalai lama has apologised after footage showed him asking a young boy to suck his tongue. the 87 year old tibetan spiritual leader met the young boy at a public event where he also kissed him on the lips in a post on social media. the nobel peace prize winner said he often teases people in an innocent and playful way, but he regrets the incident and is sorry for the hurt. it may have caused . new details have been caused. new details have been unveiled about the king's coronation , including the coronation, including the procession route for king charles and the queen consort will travel to westminster abbey in the diamond jubilee state. coach a modern, air conditioned , horse drawn carriage. the lonely ride in the less comfortable gold carriage first used in 1831 for king william, the fourth on the return journey . crown jewels will also feature dunng . crown jewels will also feature

during the service, including the sovereign's sceptre . camilla the sovereign's sceptre. camilla will hold the queen consort's rod, which is controversially made from ivory . this is gb made from ivory. this is gb news. now it's over to . news. now it's over to. patrick yes. welcome along, ladies . yes. welcome along, ladies and gewbewew awe— gentlemen. and i'm going to seaw— gentlemen. and i'm going to bow—bee- start today with some big beeobwg— start today with some big. breaking—northern breaking news from northern weeowb— breaking news from northern weeowb so— breaking news from northern ireland. so police have come under— ireland. so police have come under attack— ireland. so police have come under attack during an illegal bebbewe— under attack during an illegal dissident republican march in boweoweeww— dissident republican march in boweoweeew .— dissident republican march in londonderry . you're seeing londonderry. you're seeing bwoeee— londonderry. you're seeing bwogee ow— londonderry. you're seeing images on your- londonderry. you're seeing images on your screen there of bee— images on your screen there of be ew— images on your screen there of be in ewe— images on your screen there of fire in the street— images on your screen there of fire in the street and what appears— fire in the street and what appears eo— fire in the street and what appears eo be— fire in the street and what appears to be missiles and beoteoebee— appears to be missiles and projectiles being thrown at this woe-b — projectiles being thrown at this woe-b a— projectiles being thrown at this march. a number— projectiles being thrown at this march. a number of missiles , march. a number of missiles, webbing— march. a number of missiles, including those— march. a number of missiles, including those petrol bombs, ewoww— including those petrol bombs, were thrown at— including those petrol bombs, were thrown at a— including those petrol bombs, were thrown at a land rover. and the were thrown at a land rover. and we woeewee— were thrown at a land rover. and the violence has— were thrown at a land rover. and the violence has come on the ebb— the violence has come on the 25th anniversary— the violence has come on the 25th anniversary of the good webb— 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement, which brought an friday agreement, which brought ow ewe— friday agreement, which brought ow ewe eo— friday agreement, which brought ow ewe eo ewe— friday agreement, which brought an end to the troubles in women— an end to the troubles in northern ireland. so so very, very— northern ireland. so so very, very concerning— northern ireland. so so very, very concerning stuff. there

bee-e— very concerning stuff. there bee-e ebeb— very concerning stuff. there let's speak now— very concerning stuff. there let's speak now to gb news bowbeew— let's speak now to gb news northern ireland. reporter bobbe— northern ireland. reporter dougie beattie dougie. yes, boob— dougie beattie dougie. yes, boob really— dougie beattie dougie. yes, look, really concerning stuff. ebb— look, really concerning stuff. ewe twee— look, really concerning stuff. this just dropped in the last few— this just dropped in the last few minutes— this just dropped in the last few minutes and we understand ebb.— few minutes and we understand ebb. webb— few minutes and we understand that. yeah, petrol— few minutes and we understand that. yeah, petrol bombs and beoteeebee— that. yeah, petrol bombs and projectiles have— that. yeah, petrol bombs and projectiles have been thrown at bobbe— projectiles have been thrown at boboe. ee— projectiles have been thrown at boboe. be ebb— projectiles have been thrown at police. is that right? it is eweeeb— police. is that right? it is indeed, padraic. e indeed, padraic. but it makes sound a bit weird. but keep calm . this is normal procedure. in some of these parades, there was 94 parades, went ahead today. some of them were illegal parades. this is one of the two that they were worried about. thatis that they were worried about. that is dissident republicans parade of the easter rising most years. it starts off with trouble and they try to lure the police in. you will notice from those photographs that there is cctv cameras on top of those land rovers. i have seen those land rovers. i have seen those land rovers. i have seen those land rovers up close and actually being hit with everything under the sun and inside it, the men are safe enough. what they are doing there is a monitoring procedure. they are looking at some young

men and women who are being misled and opening up on the police service of northern ireland. and later on, those those images will be looked at and there will be arrests in those areas. so the police have chose to monitor the situation rather than go in hard at this point to take take them down with riot charges , etcetera. with riot charges, etcetera. they are in a monitoring situation. so as much as those pictures do look spectacular, they are pretty much the police service of northern ireland have this under control at this moment. okay. look, dougie, ebowb— moment. okay. look, dougie, ebowb wow— moment. okay. look, dougie, ebowb you very— okay. look, dougie, thank you very much. and it's eoweebbwe— thank you very much. and it's something that— thank you very much. and it's something that will be returning to something that will be returning eo wow— something that will be returning eo you be— something that will be returning eo you b owe— something that will be returning to you as and when we get a bit more information— to you as and when we get a bit more information dougie beattie ebeee— more information dougie beattie ebeee oe— more information dougie beattie were be ob— more information dougie beattie there as gb news— more information dougie beattie there as gb news northern beeowb— there as gb news northern ireland. reporter be ireland. reporter we will be wowbeowwg— ireland. reporter we will be monitoring situation. monitoring that situation. so web— monitoring that situation. so we-b bring— monitoring that situation. so we'll bring-back- monitoring that situation. so we'll bring back up today as we'll bring you back up today as owe— we'll bring you back up today as bored—— we'll bring you back up today as owo—oe anv- and when there are any developments. more developments. but yes, much more on developments. but yes, much more ow-ewowobowe— developments. but yes, much more on -throughout the- on that story throughout the oeeeewoow. — on that story throughout the afternoon. though, afternoon. now, though, the eoweoweeeew— controversy surrounding the decision— controversy surrounding the decision sceptre made decision to use a sceptre made bow— decision to use a sceptre made bow-ew— decision to use a sceptre made bow-w ewe— decision to use a sceptre made from in the coronation. from ivory in the coronation. bow— from ivory in the coronation. bow eb— from ivory in the coronation. now gb -viewers- from ivory in the coronation. now gb viewers can see the now gb news viewers can see the eeebeee— now gb news viewers can see the sceptre . question. _ now gb news viewers can see the sceptre question. will be sceptre in question. it will be bebo— sceptre in question. it will be web-oweew-

sceptre in question. it will be held queen consort during held on the queen consort during the held on the queen consort during ewe—ebeee-e- the ceremony. and there's been ebeeboebow— the ceremony. and there's been speculation that— the ceremony. and there's been speculation that it— the ceremony. and there's been speculation that it would not be beb— speculation that it would not be used, particularly— speculation that it would not be used, particularly prince used, particularly given prince wbbow— used, particularly given prince wbbowleo— used, particularly given prince william ito stop— used, particularly given prince william to stop the illegal campaign to stop the illegal eeoeebebwo— campaign to stop the illegal trafficking parts such trafficking of animal parts such as trafficking of animal parts such oe eeebbowe— trafficking of animal parts such as elephant through his as elephant ivory through his oeoowbeoebow— as elephant ivory through his organisation united wildlife organisation united for wildlife . bow— organisation united for wildlife . bow toewewo— organisation united for wildlife . now joining me— organisation united for wildlife . now joining me is former royal eoweebowoewe— . now joining me is former royal correspondent michael cole. bbeboeb— correspondent michael cole. michael, thank— correspondent michael cole. michael, thank you very much. now:— michael, thank you very much. bow, cowbo— michael, thank you very much. now, camilla is— michael, thank you very much. now, camilla is also already given— now, camilla is also already given wow— now, camilla is also already given way when _ now, camilla is also already given way when it comes to the bowowo— given way when it comes to the bowowo ebb— given way when it comes to the diamond that caused so much ooweoweeeew — diamond that caused so much controversy. of— diamond that caused so much controversy. of course . and now controversy. of course. and now it's controversy. of course. and now be ewe— controversy. of course. and now it's the kohinoor_ controversy. of course. and now it's the kohinoor diamond . and it's the kohinoor diamond. and ebeee-e— it's the kohinoor diamond. and now there's serious question wowe— now there's serious question woebe obowe— now there's serious question marks about whether or not she ebobo — marks about whether or not she ebobo be — marks about whether or not she should be holding— marks about whether or not she should be holding this ivory scepte— should be holding this ivory eeebeee. awe— should be holding this ivory sceptre. and people are getting very,— sceptre. and people are getting very, very— sceptre. and people are getting very, very bothered it. very, very bothered about it. wbeee— very, very bothered about it. where-stand- very, very bothered about it. where-stand on- very, very bothered about it. where stand on it? do very, very bothered about it.- where-stand on it? do you where do you stand on it? do you ebbwb— where do you stand on it? do you ebbwb ebb— where do you stand on it? do you think that she— where do you stand on it? do you think that she should ditch it? web—ebb- think that she should ditch it? well—think she- well no, i don't think she bobb— well no, i don't think she should, because as this beautiful— should, because as this beautiful jewel, which is made of bee— beautiful jewel, which is made of three pieces— beautiful jewel, which is made of three pieces of— beautiful jewel, which is made of three pieces of elephant bow— of three pieces of elephant wow obes— of three pieces of elephant ivory dates back to 1685, and it wooe— ivory dates back to 1685, and it wooe boe— ivory dates back to 1685, and it was made for the— ivory dates back to 1685, and it was made for the queen of james, the was made for the queen of james, ebe eeeowb — was made for the queen of james, ebe eeeowb so— was made for the queen of james, the second. so it— was made for the queen of james, the second. so it falls- was made for the queen of james, the second. e the second. so it falls well outside the recent prohibitions on the trading or provision of

any sort of ivory. and of course , one deprecates these vile hunters who go after ivory in everything they do. so we're with prince william very much in his campaign. there but this is not going to help an elephant by banning something that is more than 300 years old. and it is a very beautiful piece of craftsmanship by the jeweller who made it at the time. you say, and you're quite right, of course . um, the new queen course. um, the new queen camilla has avoided the controversy over using a crown which would have incorporated the kohinoor diamond kohinoor, which means mountain of light. now that diamond is very controversial . it's a real the controversial. it's a real the original blood diamond , if you original blood diamond, if you will, and it's claimed by four other nations apart from britain, which actually possesses it . it's claimed by possesses it. it's claimed by afghanistan , iran , pakistan and afghanistan, iran, pakistan and of course, india. so the queen

camilla, as she will be crowned, will be wearing the crown of queen mary. and that has a beautiful diamond or several beautiful diamond or several beautiful in fact, it's got 2200 beautiful in fact, it's got 2200 beautiful diamonds in it. but it features the cullinan diamond or pieces of the cullinan diamond, which came from south africa . so which came from south africa. so think, of course , there's going think, of course, there's going to be controversy about that. but all these things have to be taken into account. i think on this occasion, tradition must trump modernity. that's the line , isn't it, michael? that is the line. , isn't it, michael? that is the ewe. ebb— , isn't it, michael? that is the ewe. two to— , isn't it, michael? that is the line. this is part— , isn't it, michael? that is the line. this is part of— e c it f“ that is the line. this is part of tradition . awe— line. this is part of tradition . and there's— line. this is part of tradition . and there's pomp and ceremony owo— . and there's pomp and ceremony owo be— . and there's pomp and ceremony owo b be— . and there's pomp and ceremony owo b be boo— . and there's pomp and ceremony and it is also worth— . and there's pomp and ceremony and it is also worth noting that the and it is also worth noting that we bow— and it is also worth noting that the ivory staff,— and it is also worth noting that the ivory staff, which camilla web— the ivory staff, which camilla web we— the ivory staff, which camilla will use, was— the ivory staff, which camilla will use, was made in 1685 for oweew— will use, was made in 1685 for oweew bow— will use, was made in 1685 for oweew bow oe— will use, was made in 1685 for queen mary of medina, the wife of james— queen mary of medina, the wife of towee b— queen mary of medina, the wife of james ii, and— queen mary of medina, the wife of james ii, and who was the bee— of james ii, and who was the bee oweew— of james ii, and who was the first queen consort to bowbeeboee— first queen consort to participate in a combination ceremony following the restoration _ ceremony following the restoration of - ceremony following the restoration of the monarchy in woo.— restoration of the monarchy in bebo- so— restoration of the monarchy in bebo- so be— restoration of the monarchy in 1660. so it goes— restoration of the monarchy in 1660. so it goes way back. it's woe— 1660. so it goes way back. it's woe oe— 1660. so it goes way back. it's woe oe a,— 1660. so it goes way back. it's woe oe a, oe— 1660. so it goes way back. it's not as if, of course,- 1660. so it goes way back. it's not as if, of course, there is bwo— not as if, of course, there is some kind of— not as if, of course, there is some kind of new elephant that's been— some kind of new elephant that's been ewbeo— some kind of new elephant that's been culled for— some kind of new elephant that's been culled for the— some kind of new elephant that's been culled for the sake of all of bio — been culled for the sake of all of bio bwe— been culled for the sake of all of this. but animal rights oeebweee— of this. but animal rights activists and— of this. but animal rights

activists and campaigners and eeowbw— activists and campaigners and frankly anti—monarchists as well web— frankly anti—monarchists as well web twwb— frankly anti—monarchists as well web twwb ow— frankly anti—monarchists as well will jump on this— frankly anti—monarchists as well will jump on this and say it's eewee— will jump on this and say it's eewee owo— will jump on this and say it's eewee owo be— will jump on this and say it's cruel and it shows how out of eoweb— cruel and it shows how out of eowob ebew— cruel and it shows how out of touch they are. _ cruel and it shows how out of touch they are. what do you make of ebb— touch they are. what do you make of ebb e — touch they are. what do you make of that 7 well,— touch they are. what do you make of that 7 well, i— touch they are. what do you make of that 7 well, i don't- touch they are. what do you make of that ? �*fe�*bigl 2:3" e of that? well, i don't think that's an unjust and unfair criticism . of course, i don't criticism. of course, i don't mind them focusing on that because you and i both feel it's absolutely disgusting when these fat pot bellied hunters go out and shoot a buffalo or an elephant. we think that's vile and it should be outlawed. and certainly the trading in ivory, which mostly goes on in the far east, it must be said, should be outlawed . and that's where the outlawed. and that's where the emphasis should be. but i think tradition must trump all that and on this occasion, it is a beautiful piece of work. i don't mind them using it as a focus for their outrage, and they're entitled to be outraged by it because it's a disgusting thing, trade and it should be stamped out. but you know that this this coronation is going to be different in many ways . and but

different in many ways. and but some traditions must be maintained. for instance , the maintained. for instance, the queen, when she was 26, she went to her coronation in the gold state coach. and the route was three times as long as that's that's going to be taken by the king and queen camilla and the queen remarked afterwards how uncomfortable all this four tonne leviathan this juggernaut was. and she traipsed all around the west end of oxford street , the west end of oxford street, regent street, lower regent street, trafalgar square, northumberland avenue , the northumberland avenue, the embankment to get to get to westminster abbey . and of westminster abbey. and of course, the same back this time, the king and queen camilla will be going just up the mall through admiralty arch, down whitehall, parliament street , whitehall, parliament street, around parliament square , to the around parliament square, to the abbey and of course, they will not be travelling on their way to the coronation in the great, wonderful hall drawn by eight

beautiful grey horses, gold state coach. they'll be travelling in a very , very travelling in a very, very wonderful piece of work which is the diamond jubilee state coach and you showed it to us all earlier and that was made in australia and it's a great piece of work and the crown on the top is made from wood from hms victory and somewhere within the coach is hidden a fragment of the cloth from the dress of florence nightingale , who was a florence nightingale, who was a big friend of queen victoria . big friend of queen victoria. it's unbelievable. fantastic sewe— it's unbelievable. fantastic stuff. michael— it's unbelievable. fantastic stuff. michael a great way to bow— stuff. michael a great way to bow ebe — stuff. michael a great way to start the show— stuff. michael a great way to start the show that was michael cote— start the show that was michael coee ebeee. — start the show that was michael cole there. he's— start the show that was michael cole there. he's a— start the show that was michael cole there. he's a former royal correspondent— cole there. he's a former royal correspondent who's been doing a lot correspondent who's been doing a boe oe— correspondent who's been doing a lot of research. _ correspondent who's been doing a lot of research. when it comes to lot of research. when it comes eo ewewebbwo— lot of research. when it comes to everything we— lot of research. when it comes to everything we can expect from the coronation.— to everything we can expect from the coronation. now, that eeewewe— the coronation. now, that- element—okay. element of controversy. okay. we-ee — element of controversy. okay. we-ee -be — element of controversy. okay. we're - be delving - element of controversy. okay. we're-be delving a we're going to be delving into a bee— we're going to be delving into a bee bee— we're going to be delving into a little bit later— we're going to be delving into a little bit later on— we're going to be delving into a little bit later on in the show as little bit later on in the show oe web. — little bit later on in the show oe web. -o— little bit later on in the show as well. -a couple. little bit later on in the show as well. a couple of as well. i've got a couple of owbwb— as well. i've got a couple of animal-activists- as well. i've got a couple of animal activists on. animal rights activists on. let us animal rights activists on. let we-wboe— animal rights activists on. let us-what-think. - animal rights activists on. let us what think. gb animal rights activists on. let- us-what-think. gb views us know what you think. gb views or us know what you think. gb views oe eb— us know what you think. gb views or be news.— us know what you think. gb views or be bewe. be.— us know what you think. gb views or gb news. .uk. do— us know what you think. gb views or gb news. .uk. do you care ebb— or gb news. .uk. do you care ebb owe— or gb news. .uk. do you care ebb oe— or gb news. .uk. do you care that one of the— or gb news. .uk. do you care that one of the sectors that cowbeo — that one of the sectors that cowbeo -eo - that one of the sectors that camilla -to be - that one of the sectors that. camilla -to be holding camilla is going to be holding is camilla is going to be holding be beowbwewbw— camilla is going to be holding is prominently ivory is prominently featuring ivory in course, people in it? of course, people are eowbwo—

in it? of course, people are eowbwo-weowe- in it? of course, people are. saying-means they're saying now this means they're out saying now this means they're owb oe— saying now this means they're owb ob boweb— saying now this means they're out of touch. one— saying now this means they're out of touch. one thing as well, bbowob— out of touch. one thing as well, bbowow-oobwo— out of touch. one thing as well, bbowow-oobwolbe- though, that's going to be obeeeeewb— though, that's going to be different is— though, that's going to be different is route for the different is the route for the bwo-e— different is the route for the king's coronation. been king's coronation. it's now been eewebeo—be- king's coronation. it's now been revealed—be far- revealed and it will be far eboebee— revealed and it will be far eboebee-bbe- revealed and it will be far shorter his mother's. it shorter than his mother's. it web— shorter than his mother's. it web-twee— shorter than his mother's. it web-twee bo- shorter than his mother's. it will just 1.3 miles, will stretch just 1.3 miles, eowboeeo— will stretch just 1.3 miles, eowboeeo bo— will stretch just 1.3 miles, compared to five miles in 1953. awe— compared to five miles in 1953. and be— compared to five miles in 1953. and be woe— compared to five miles in 1953. and if you're watching us on tv or you're watching _ and if you're watching us on tv or you're watching us online, wow-b— or you're watching us online, wow-blobee— or you're watching us online, you'll-able to— or you're watching us online, you'll-able to see- or you're watching us online, you'll able to see graphic you'll be able to see a graphic were.— you'll be able to see a graphic beee. bow— you'll be able to see a graphic beee. bow oe— you'll be able to see a graphic here. now of this— you'll be able to see a graphic here. now of this route, of course, starting- here. now of this route, of course, starting at buckingham bobbe— course, starting at buckingham eboee .— course, starting at buckingham eboee . awe— course, starting at buckingham palace . and travel palace. and they will travel bbebe— palace. and they will travel their majesties_ palace. and they will travel their majesties will travel from bwebwobow— their majesties will travel from buckingham -the- their majesties will travel from buckingham the king's buckingham palace in the king's beoeeeebow— buckingham palace in the king's procession westminsterabbey. procession to westminster abbey. and procession to westminster abbey. awe bbe — procession to westminster abbey. awe bbe ewe-e— procession to westminster abbey. and the king's procession is going— and the king's procession is going bo— and the king's procession is going bo be— and the king's procession is going bo be o— and the king's procession is going to be a coach accompanied by ewe— going to be a coach accompanied by the sovereign's— going to be a coach accompanied by the sovereign's escort of the boweebobo— by the sovereign's escort of the household cavalry— by the sovereign's escort of the household cavalry created for oweew— household cavalry created for queen elizabeth— household cavalry created for queen elizabeth ii to commemorate the 60th queen elizabeth ii to— commemorate the 60th anniversary of commemorate the 60th anniversary ob bee— commemorate the 60th anniversary ob bee eebow— commemorate the 60th anniversary ob bee eebow ew— commemorate the 60th anniversary of her reign in 2012.— commemorate the 60th anniversary of her reign in 2012. as michael eowbwo— of her reign in 2012. as michael was saying there,— of her reign in 2012. as michael was saying there, they will get to westminster— was saying there, they will get to westminster abbey as well. awe— to westminster abbey as well. and ewe— to westminster abbey as well. and the gilded— to westminster abbey as well. and the gilded crown on top of the and the gilded crown on top of bbe obowowo— and the gilded crown on top of the diamond jubilee coach was eoweo— the diamond jubilee coach was ooweo eeow — the diamond jubilee coach was carved from the— the diamond jubilee coach was carved from the oak of hms vbebow. — carved from the oak of hms victory. michael— carved from the oak of hms victory. michael has done a eowboebbe— victory. michael has done a fantastic job _ victory. michael has done a fantastic job of— victory. michael has done a fantastic job of summarising all of fantastic job of summarising all ob ewe— fantastic job of summarising all ob bbbe ebwee— fantastic job of summarising all of this stuff for— fantastic job of summarising all of this stuff for us. _ fantastic job of summarising all of this stuff for us. then bbew-b— of this stuff for us. then they'll make _ of this stuff for us. then they'll make their way back. okav- — they'll make their way back. okav- w— they'll make their way back. okay- w ewe— they'll make their way back. okay. in the coronation procession,— okay. in the coronation procession, the state 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unbelievable. was commissioned in unbelievable. was commissioned bw woo,— unbelievable. was commissioned bw woo eo— unbelievable. was commissioned in 1760, so literally— unbelievable. was commissioned in 1760, so literally living eeebow— in 1760, so literally living bbebow bee— in 1760, so literally living history here so- in 1760, so literally living history here so i know we'll all be-bo— history here so i know we'll all be-bo ebb.— history here so i know we'll all be-to that. but- history here so i know we'll all be-to that. but it's- history here so i know we'll all be to that. but it's not be glued to that. but it's not twee— be glued to that. but it's not twee-robe— be glued to that. but it's not just-route that- be glued to that. but it's not just route that king charles just the route that king charles web— just the route that king charles wbb bobe— just the route that king charles will take that's— just the route that king charles will take that's been announced. bbeee— will take that's been announced. bbeee oe— will take that's been announced. bbeee ze— will take that's been announced. there are 26 days— will take that's been announced. there are 26 days to go now wwbb— there are 26 days to go now wwbb ewe— there are 26 days to go now until the coronation and all of the until the coronation and all of bbe bowe— until the coronation and all of bbe bbowe oe— until the coronation and all of the plans are coming together , the plans are coming together, bwbwobwo— the plans are coming together, bwebwobwo o— the plans are coming together, including a variety of different ebewewbe— including a variety of different ebewewbe bo— including a variety of different elements to it,— including a variety of different elements to it, including saint bowoeo-e— elements to it, including saint edward's crown,— elements to it, including saint edward's crown, the sovereign's 0a.— edward's crown, the sovereign's ab, wbbob — edward's crown, the sovereign's orb, which will— edward's crown, the sovereign's orb, which will be _ edward's crown, the sovereign's orb, which will be all these bbbe— orb, which will be all these little fascinating trinkets, as it little fascinating trinkets, as be — little fascinating trinkets, as bb .— little fascinating trinkets, as bb . .— little fascinating trinkets, as it were . i don't— little fascinating trinkets, as it were . i don't know if you can it were. i don't know if you can ebb— it were. i don't know if you can eob bbew— it were. i don't know if you can call them trinkets.— it were. i don't know if you can call them trinkets. i mean, they are call them trinkets. i mean, they bbeeobw— call them trinkets. i mean, they are literally priceless, aren't bbew— are literally priceless, aren't bbewe bbeee-e— are literally priceless, aren't they? there's even a bit of ebeobb— they? there's even a bit of special coronation emoji commissioned, doubt commissioned, which no doubt we will commissioned, which no doubt we web-webwo. — commissioned, which no doubt we will-using. we've- commissioned, which no doubt we will using. we've spoken will all be using. we've spoken a_jubilee- will all be using. we've spoken a_jubilee coach. a lot about the jubilee coach owo— a lot about the jubilee coach owo-eoeoew— a lot about the jubilee coach and-golden state- a lot about the jubilee coach and golden state coach, that and the golden state coach, that ooeowobowb— and the golden state coach, that coronation sword _ and the golden state coach, that coronation sword and of course, the coronation sword and of course, ewe—eboow- coronation sword and of course, the—spoon believe. the coronation spoon believe it or the coronation spoon believe it oe-web.— the coronation spoon believe it oe-web. so— the coronation spoon believe it oe-web. so wee- the coronation spoon believe it or well. so yes, we'll be or not as well. so yes, we'll be obwwo— or not as well. so yes, we'll be giving you— or not as well. so yes, we'll be giving you-detail,- or not as well. so yes, we'll be giving you detail, of giving you more detail, of course, of these course, on all of these fascinating— course, on all of these fascinating elements course, on all of these- fascinating-elements of fascinating little elements of the fascinating little elements of ewe—wowwol fascinating little elements ofi ewe—wowwo ow the coronation. but moving on bow—bo- the coronation. but moving on wow—bo bbb- the coronation. but moving oni from _to talk about from that, i want to talk about eowebbbwo— from that, i want to talk about something absolutely something that absolutely oeeeobe— something that absolutely affects- us, - something that absolutely affects-us, and- something that absolutely affects us, and that is affects all of us, and that is bbb— affects all of us, and that is ebb—be- affects all of us, and that is ebb—be owi that there's going to be an obeobwbew— that there's going to be an absolutely whopping great big twwboe— absolutely whopping great big twwboe ooeboe— absolutely whopping great big junior doctor walkout in the combo— junior doctor walkout in the c0mi"9--_ junior doctor walkout in the combo. bwb- junior doctor walkout in the combo. bwb .- junior doctor walkout in the coming . but i wanted to coming days. but i wanted to oewe— coming days. but i wanted to delve-different- coming days. but i wanted to delve different angles delve into two different angles on this throughout the course of bbbe— on this throughout the course of bbbe-ewe—

on this throughout the course of this-the first— on this throughout the course of this-the first one- on this throughout the course of this the first one is why this show. the first one is why are—movingl this show. the first one is whyi oewobw—o bo are so many doctors moving to obeeeeewb— are so many doctors moving to different countries— are so many doctors moving to different countries and where are different countries and where bbew— different countries and where are they moving— different countries and where are they moving to? and why? and beo— are they moving to? and why? and beo oe— are they moving to? and why? and beo oe web— are they moving to? and why? and beo oe web .— are they moving to? and why? and also as well . well,— are they moving to? and why? and also as well . well, i— are they moving to? and why? and also as well . well, i wanted to also as well. well, i wanted to oew— also as well. well, i wanted to oeb wow— also as well. well, i wanted to ask you whether— also as well. well, i wanted to ask you whether or not you bbowobb— ask you whether or not you thought that— ask you whether or not you thought that you had to do your bit thought that you had to do your bbb wow— thought that you had to do your bbb bo— thought that you had to do your bit now to protect— thought that you had to do your bit now to protect the nhs beee— bit now to protect the nhs because the _ bit now to protect the nhs because the public is being wowed— because the public is being woweo bo— because the public is being warned to mind— because the public is being warned to mind what you do. bow-b— warned to mind what you do. bow-b oo— warned to mind what you do. don't do anything too risky beee— don't do anything too risky because—goingl don't do anything too risky. because—going to don't do anything too risky- because_going to be because the nhs is going to be on because the nhs is going to be owlbweee— because the nhs is going to be owlbweee oe— because the nhs is going to be owlbweee oe o— because the nhs is going to be on knees as a result of this on its knees as a result of this ebwbe— on its knees as a result of this ebwbe owo— on its knees as a result of this strike and i'm— on its knees as a result of this strike and i'm not— on its knees as a result of this strike and i'm not really sure ebb-e— strike and i'm not really sure that's-enough.- strike and i'm not really sure that's-enough. is- strike and i'm not really sure that's enough. is it? isn't that's fair enough. is it? isn't it that's fair enough. is it? isn't bb-bo— that's fair enough. is it? isn't bb-bo be— that's fair enough. is it? isn't it-to be there- that's fair enough. is it? isn't it-to be there to. it supposed to be there to boobeeb— it supposed to be there to beobeeb wee— it supposed to be there to protect us? but- it supposed to be there to protect us? but there are stark woewbwoe— protect us? but there are stark woewbwoe eeow — protect us? but there are stark warnings from the people who wob— warnings from the people who wow-ewe— warnings from the people who work .the -the- warnings from the people who work the the national work in the nhs. the national beobeb— work in the nhs. the national beobeb-eoe— work in the nhs. the national medical-for nhs- medical director for nhs bwbowb— england, professor sir stephen bowee— england, professor sir stephen bowee -eebe- england, professor sir stephen powis, week's junior powis, says this week's junior ooeboee— doctors strike will bring unparalleled— doctors strike will bring unparalleled of unparalleled levels of disruption— unparalleled levels of disruption health disruption to the health eewbee. — disruption to the health. eewbee. —oe service. junior doctors are wbbwo— service. junior doctors are wobbwo owe— service. junior doctors are walking out for- service. junior doctors are walking out for four days from tomorrow as they— walking out for four days from tomorrow as they continue to oewowo— tomorrow as they continue to demand whopping 35% pay rises and demand whopping 35% pay rises owo bee— demand whopping 35% pay rises owo bb-e betwe— demand whopping 35% pay rises and it's being claimed that up to and it's being claimed that up bo beowee— and it's being claimed that up to 350,000 appointments und obeeobbowe— to 350,000 appointments und operations will— to 350,000 appointments und operations will be cancelled bbbe— operations will be cancelled bbbe weeb — operations will be cancelled this week. it's— operations will be cancelled this week. it's going to mean ewob— this week. it's going to mean bbob bbeee-e— this week. it's going to mean that there's a _ this week. it's going to mean that there's a huge backlog ooobwo— that there's a huge backlog ooobwo bo— that there's a huge backlog adding to the— that there's a huge backlog adding to the already existing boeboo— adding to the already existing boeboo ewob— adding to the already existing backlog that we've got. but i'm joined— backlog that we've got. but i'm tobweo wow— backlog that we've got. but i'm tobweo bw— backlog that we've got. but i'm joined now by gb— backlog that we've got. but i'm joined now by gb news deputy bobbbeb— joined now by gb news deputy political editor— joined now by gb news deputy political editor tom harwood . political editor tom harwood. awe— political editor tom harwood.

awe-woe— political editor tom harwood. and-was reading- political editor tom harwood. and was reading with some and tom, i was reading with some bwbeeeeb— and tom, i was reading with some interest—wanted- and tom, i was reading with some interest—wanted to- interest and i really wanted to ebbwe— interest and i really wanted to ebbwe-ow— interest and i really wanted to shine -on this. - shine a light on this. the oowb— shine a light on this. the amount people are shine a light on this. the- amountlpeople-are leaving amount of people who are leaving our amount of people who are leaving owe-bo— amount of people who are leaving owe-bo 90— amount of people who are leaving owe-bo go owo— amount of people who are leaving our-to go and work- amount of people who are leaving our to go and work in our nhs to go and work in awebebbo— our nhs to go and work in australia and— our nhs to go and work in australia and canada. and it got me australia and canada. and it got we bbbwbwo— australia and canada. and it got we bbbwbwo wbw— australia and canada. and it got me thinking why frankly, both in awebebbo— me thinking why frankly, both in australia and— me thinking why frankly, both in australia and in— me thinking why frankly, both in australia and in canada, if woe— australia and in canada, if woewb o— australia and in canada, if you're a doctor,— australia and in canada, if you're a doctor, you can be paid bwb-e— you're a doctor, you can be paid more. that's the— you're a doctor, you can be paid more. that's the bottom line . more. that's the bottom line. bwb— more. that's the bottom line. bwb be— more. that's the bottom line. bwb be we— more. that's the bottom line. but if we dive— more. that's the bottom line. but if we dive more deeply into bbbe— but if we dive more deeply into bbbe w-wee— but if we dive more deeply into bbbe ooe— but if we dive more deeply into this, we've got some big, big oweebbowe— this, we've got some big, big questions that— this, we've got some big, big questions that arise. australia ebewoe— questions that arise. australia ebewoe beee— questions that arise. australia spends less on— questions that arise. australia spends less on its health care ewebew — spends less on its health care ewebew beow— spends less on its health care system than the— spends less on its health care system than the united kingdom ooee— system than the united kingdom be be— system than the united kingdom ooee beee oe— system than the united kingdom ooee beee oe o— system than the united kingdom does less as a proportion of ebb— does less as a proportion of ebb beee— does less as a proportion of ebb beee oe— does less as a proportion of gdp, less as a— does less as a proportion of gdp, less as a state. percentage of gdp, less as a state. percentage ob ewwobwo— gdp, less as a state. percentage ob ewwobwo oe— gdp, less as a state. percentage of funding as well. _ gdp, less as a state. percentage of funding as well. so we begin to of funding as well. so we begin bo oeb— of funding as well. so we begin bo oeb ewe— of funding as well. so we begin to ask the question why then can awebebbo— to ask the question why then can australia afford— to ask the question why then can australia afford to— to ask the question why then can australia afford to with a ewobee— australia afford to with a smaller budget, pay doctors, nurses and everyone else more owo— nurses and everyone else more owo ebb-e— nurses and everyone else more owo bbob-e wbew— nurses and everyone else more and that's when you get into the ebewebwe — and that's when you get into the ebewebwe oe— and that's when you get into the structure of the _ and that's when you get into the structure of the thing. these bwee— structure of the thing. these three countries,— structure of the thing. these three countries, canada, the bwbbeo— three countries, canada, the united kingdom and australia all bowe— united kingdom and australia all bowe bee— united kingdom and australia all bowe wee ob— united kingdom and australia all have free at the— united kingdom and australia all have free at the point of use. us have free at the point of use. us webbe— have free at the point of use. us health care.— have free at the point of use. us health care. but they deliver it us health care. but they deliver bb bw— us health care. but they deliver bb bw oew— us health care. but they deliver it in very different— us health care. but they deliver it in very different ways . the it in very different ways. the bwb-e— it in very different ways. the we be— it in very different ways. the we be ewe— it in very different ways. the uk's is the most— it in very different ways. the uk's is the most centralised of the uk's is the most centralised of bbe bwee— uk's is the most centralised of the three and— uk's is the most centralised of the three and it— uk's is the most centralised of the three and it is— uk's is the most centralised of the three and it is the most

ebobe— the three and it is the most state controlled _ the three and it is the most state controlled of the three. beow— state controlled of the three. okay beowe.— state controlled of the three. okay beowe. so— state controlled of the three. okay right. so this is really were— okay right. so this is really wbeee we— okay right. so this is really wbeee we eee— okay right. so this is really where we get into the important oebob— where we get into the important oebob oe— where we get into the important oebob ob bb— where we get into the important detail of it because our nhs beoe— detail of it because our nhs beee ob— detail of it because our nhs beee ob ewe— detail of it because our nhs here at the moment is a sacred so— here at the moment is a sacred cow. so we're pumping billions owo— cow. so we're pumping billions owo bbbbowe— cow. so we're pumping billions and billions and— cow. so we're pumping billions and billions and billions of bowwoe— and billions and billions of bowwoe bwbo— and billions and billions of pounds into it.— and billions and billions of pounds into it. the people who wob— pounds into it. the people who work bw— pounds into it. the people who work bw bb— pounds into it. the people who work in it don't— pounds into it. the people who work in it don't appear to be happy- _ work in it don't appear to be bobby. bw— work in it don't appear to be happy- i'm sure_ work in it don't appear to be happy. i'm sure the patients oewb— happy. i'm sure the patients oewb bbb— happy. i'm sure the patients aren't that happy. a lot of bbew. — aren't that happy. a lot of bbew. so— aren't that happy. a lot of bbew. so bw— aren't that happy. a lot of them. so in australia and canada web— them. so in australia and canada bbew oo— them. so in australia and canada bbew oo betwee— them. so in australia and canada they do things different . only they do things different. only wobb— they do things different. only wowbo .— they do things different. only wowbo . be— they do things different. only would i be wrong to say that the beowee,— would i be wrong to say that the beowee, eoe— would i be wrong to say that the people, some people who work were— people, some people who work beee ob— people, some people who work beee ob ewe— people, some people who work here at the minute are not happy webb— here at the minute are not happy wbbb ewe— here at the minute are not happy with the -that_ here at the minute are not happy with the that they're with the amount that they're bobb— with the amount that they're bobo-bbewbe— with the amount that they're paid .they're not - with the amount that they're i paid .they're not -with paid and they're not happy with the paid and they're not happy with ewe-oe— paid and they're not happy with ewe-oewb,- paid and they're not happy with the-of-nhs, but. the structure of the nhs, but bbew— the structure of the nhs, but bbew oowb— the structure of the nhs, but they don't want— the structure of the nhs, but they don't want us to change owwbbbwo— they don't want us to change anything because it's a anything because it's like a beobeobeo— anything because it's like a protected species. meanwhile wbbe— while they're booking their beowee—go l while they're booking their. beowee—go owo flights to australia to go and wob— flights to australia to go and wore-bo— flights to australia to go and wow-bo oeb— flights to australia to go and work to get more, flights to australia to go and. work -to get-more, to work there to get paid more, to wow— work there to get paid more, to wow-o— work there to get paid more, to wore-o bebbee— work there to get paid more, to work a better system, work under a better system, were—bo- work under a better system, bbeee—bo be- work under a better system, there _to belbitj work under a better system,- there _to belbit of there does seem to be a bit of a disassociation_ there does seem to be a bit of a disassociation there— there does seem to be a bit of a disassociation there in terms of web— disassociation there in terms of wbob beowee— disassociation there in terms of what people willing to go what people are willing to go owo— what people are willing to go owo-owo— what people are willing to goi and-and-actually and work in and what actually bobee— and work in and what actually bobee-beee. — and work in and what actually takes here. whenever takes place here. whenever bbeee-e— takes place here. whenever bbeee-e o— takes place here. whenever there's a suggestion of a reform of there's a suggestion of a reform oe-bb-e— there's a suggestion of a reform oe-bb-e woe— there's a suggestion of a reform of-it's more market- of whether it's more market ebewewbe— of whether it's more market elements within— of whether it's more market elements within the whether elements within the nhs, whether it's elements within the nhs, whether bb-e betwe— elements within the nhs, whether bb-e bebwo obbe— elements within the nhs, whether it's being able to— elements within the nhs, whether it's being able to deliver bbbwoe— it's being able to deliver things more— it's being able to deliver things more similarly to the way ewob— things more similarly to the way bbob woww— things more similarly to the way that many european countries oobwobw— that many european countries actually deliver— that many european countries actually deliver their healthi

eowe—bbbe care systems, whether that's oeeobee— care systems, whether that's greater-sector- greater private sector involvement, encouraging people who involvement, encouraging people wow-oow— involvement, encouraging people who-can afford- involvement, encouraging people who-can afford to- involvement, encouraging people who can afford to get who frankly can afford to get bobbe— who frankly can afford to get private health _ who frankly can afford to get private health care , to get private health care, to get bobbe— private health care, to get private health _ private health care, to get private health care, to get private health care, to alleviate _ private health care, to alleviate pressure. alleviate that pressure. very oebew— alleviate that pressure. very oebew-beobbe— alleviate that pressure. very often people who are saying often the people who are saying no often the people who are saying wolbboee— often the people who are saying nolthose reforms— often the people who are saying no those reforms are the same no to those reforms are the same beowee— no to those reforms are the same beobbe wbo— no to those reforms are the same beobbe wbo oe— no to those reforms are the same people who are very— no to those reforms are the same people who are very willing to go bo— people who are very willing to to bo obbee— people who are very willing to go to other countries that have bboee— go to other countries that have those reforms.— go to other countries that have those reforms. just take those reforms. let's just take an _australia - those reforms. let's just take an _australia for. an example of australia for a eeoo— an example of australia for a second, because— an example of australia for a second, because you remember the ewoe— second, because you remember the ewoe bw— second, because you remember the bwoe bw ewe— second, because you remember the furore in the united— second, because you remember the furore in the united kingdom, wbebbee— furore in the united kingdom, wbebbee oe— furore in the united kingdom, whether or not— furore in the united kingdom, whether or not the prime bbwbebee— whether or not the prime minister had— whether or not the prime minister had private health insurance. it— minister had private health insurance. it went on for weeks. he insurance. it went on for weeks. be—wb- insurance. it went on for weeks. be—wb bw- insurance. it went on for weeks.j be—wb bw bbe he ended up standing up in the bowee— he ended up standing up in the house-commons— he ended up standing up in the house commons declaring, house of commons and declaring, i house of commons and declaring, b—bwwobe— house of commons and declaring, i_private health- i do not have private health insurance in— i do not have private health insurance in the— i do not have private health insurance in the uk. we sort of beeeeewbe— insurance in the uk. we sort of persecute people— insurance in the uk. we sort of persecute people for having bwwobe— persecute people for having private health _ persecute people for having private health insurance in awebebbo— private health insurance in australia you _ private health insurance in australia you get taxed more if wow-ee— australia you get taxed more if wowbe o— australia you get taxed more if wowbe o wbob— australia you get taxed more if you're a high income person who ooeew-b— you're a high income person who ooeew-b bowe— you're a high income person who doesn't have private health insurance . yes,— doesn't have private health insurance . yes, it's precisely insurance. yes, it's precisely ewe— insurance. yes, it's precisely bbe obboebbe— insurance. yes, it's precisely the opposite way around. you're eweowooeo— the opposite way around. you're ewoowooeo bo— the opposite way around. you're encouraged to take up private webbe— encouraged to take up private health insurance— encouraged to take up private health insurance so that puts more money into— health insurance so that puts more money into the system and obewobee— more money into the system and alleviates pressure— more money into the system and alleviates pressure from those wbo— alleviates pressure from those wbo oewwbwew— alleviates pressure from those who genuinely can't afford it . who genuinely can't afford it. okav- — who genuinely can't afford it. okav- eo— who genuinely can't afford it. okay- so wbew— who genuinely can't afford it. okay. so when people now are going— okay. so when people now are going ow— okay. so when people now are going ow ebebe— okay. so when people now are going on strike over a 35% pay rise:— going on strike over a 35% pay ewob— going on strike over a 35% pay bbob bbew—

going on strike over a 35% pay rise, that they they want, they are rise, that they they want, they o bob— rise, that they they want, they o bob ob— rise, that they they want, they are a lot of them— rise, that they they want, they are a lot of them going to move to are a lot of them going to move bo awebebbo— are a lot of them going to move to australia to— are a lot of them going to move to australia to be— are a lot of them going to move to australia to be paid around bwee— to australia to be paid around bwee bbwee— to australia to be paid around three times the— to australia to be paid around three times the salary over bbeee— three times the salary over bbeee bw— three times the salary over bbeee bw o— three times the salary over there in a system that they wobb— there in a system that they wowbo wob— there in a system that they would not allow- there in a system that they would not allow us to implement over here because— would not allow us to implement over here because they would say bbb— over here because they would say bbob bb— over here because they would say bbob bb woe— over here because they would say that it was morally— over here because they would say that it was morally wrong. they wobb— that it was morally wrong. they wowbo eow— that it was morally wrong. they would say that— that it was morally wrong. they would say that this was a marketisation_ would say that this was a marketisation of health care, bbb— marketisation of health care, bbob bbbe— marketisation of health care, that this was— marketisation of health care, that this was putting profits beboee— that this was putting profits beboee beowee— that this was putting profits before people that this not before people that this was not the before people that this was not ewe-ewob— before people that this was not ewe-beoe o— before people that this was not the-that a health- before people that this was not the that a health care the way that a health care ewebew — the way that a health care ewebew -be- the way that a health care| system - be - but the way that a health care. system - be - but if the way that a health care- system - be - but if we system should be run. but if we boob— system should be run. but if we boob ob— system should be run. but if we boob ob ewe— system should be run. but if we look at the way— system should be run. but if we look at the way that the nhs is run, - relatively _ look at the way that the nhs is run, relatively unique in run, it's relatively unique in ewe— run, it's relatively unique in bbe ewbbe— run, it's relatively unique in the entire western world. there are the entire western world. there obe-b— the entire western world. there obe-b ebowbo— the entire western world. there are-i should i— the entire western world. there are i should i should are lots i should i should eeobw— are lots i should i should really stress— are lots i should i should really stress there are lots of wowe— really stress there are lots of ways-universal- ways to deliver universal free at ways to deliver universal free ob-bobwb— ways to deliver universal free ob-bobwb ob— ways to deliver universal free at-point of use- ways to deliver universal free at point of use health care at the point of use health care bwb-e— at the point of use health care bbob-e wob— at the point of use health care bbob-e wob bw— at the point of use health care that's not in contention here. all that's not in contention here. ablbbeee— that's not in contention here. all these countries all of these countries that we're discussing deliver at we're discussing deliver free at the we're discussing deliver free at ewe—webbe- we're discussing deliver free at the—health care.. the point of use health care. ewe— the point of use health care. ewe-be— the point of use health care. the-is-do- the point of use health care.j the-is-do they the point of use health care. i the-is-do they do the question is how do they do it? the question is how do they do bee-bb— the question is how do they do bee-b we— the question is how do they do bee-b we boo— the question is how do they do it?-if we had an— the question is how do they do it? if we had an australian it? but if we had an australian ebwbe— it? but if we had an australian ebwbe ewebew— it? but if we had an australian style system just— it? but if we had an australian style system just quickly, tom, we—obboeol style system just quickly, tom, we—obboeo boi we presumably could afford to pay we presumably could afford to bow-twwboe— we presumably could afford to pay junior doctors what they pay our junior doctors what they wowb. — pay our junior doctors what they wowb. -be— pay our junior doctors what they want.-be really- pay our junior doctors what they want.-be really it- want. it would be really it wobb— want. it would be really it wowwb-bow- want. it would be really it would-howlwasl would depend how it was implemented,— would depend how it was implemented, certainly we implemented, but certainly if we had implemented, but certainly if we boo-ooeb— implemented, but certainly if we had-cash injection,- had the cash injection, particularly— had the cash injection,- particularly-high net particularly from the high net woww— particularly from the high net wowb—oeeobeel worth individuals, a greater ob— worth individuals, a greater sense of market for those that bow— sense of market for those that bow owo— sense of market for those that bow owo-o— sense of market for those that can pay and-a big- sense of market for those that can pay and a big social can pay and are a big social eobebw— can pay and are a big social eobebw web,— can pay and are a big social safety net, medicare, as they bowe— safety net, medicare, as they have .australia, _ safety net, medicare, as they

have australia, those have in australia, for those ewob— have in australia, for those that- afford - have in australia, for those that-afford it,- have in australia, for those that afford it, there that can't afford it, there wobb— that can't afford it, there would-more- that can't afford it, there would more money for those would be more money for those ooeboee— would be more money for those ooeboee owo— would be more money for those doctors and nurses. tom, thank you— doctors and nurses. tom, thank wow—booe- doctors and nurses. tom, thank you—good stuff- doctors and nurses. tom, thank you good stuff that you very much. good stuff that our you very much. good stuff that owe-bobbbbeb— you very much. good stuff that our political editor tom our deputy political editor tom boewoob— our deputy political editor tom boewoob twee— our deputy political editor tom harwood, just whizzing you bwowob— harwood, just whizzing you - bwowob—wbwb through worth bearing in mind, i bbbwb— through worth bearing in mind, i bbbwb-owo— through worth bearing in mind, i think,-and gents,- through worth bearing in mind, i think, and gents, worth think, ladies and gents, worth beowwo— think, ladies and gents, worth bearing—stare. think, ladies and gents, worth- bearing_stare down bearing in mind as we stare down the bearing in mind as we stare down ewe-ob— bearing in mind as we stare down ewe-ob owobbee— bearing in mind as we stare down the of another massive the barrel of another massive twwboe— the barrel of another massive twwboe ooeboe— the barrel of another massive junior doctor strike all of junior doctor strike and all of bee— junior doctor strike and all of ewe-ebbeebe- junior doctor strike and all of the-effects that- junior doctor strike and all of the effects that that the knock on effects that that webbe— the knock on effects that that wbob-owo — the knock on effects that that might-and will- the knock on effects that that might and will mean for might mean and will mean for obeeobbowe— might mean and will mean for operations cancelled, operations being cancelled, obbobwbwewbe— appointments being missed. gps obboeewbbw— appointments being missed. gps obboeewbw—bo- apparently going to have to ewewe— apparently going to have to swerve their— apparently going to have to swerve their own appointments ewewe— swerve their own appointments were-webb— swerve their own appointments there-help out.- swerve their own appointments there help out. when there to try to help out. when it there to try to help out. when bb oee— there to try to help out. when bb bo— there to try to help out. when it comes to - nhs- there to try to help out. when it comes to nhs crisis it comes to the nhs crisis bwb-e— it comes to the nhs crisis that's looming— it comes to the nhs crisis that's looming large and talks of-pav_ that's looming large and talks of-pay increase- that's looming large and talks of pay increase all of a massive pay increase all ewe— of a massive pay increase all bbe webbe— of a massive pay increase all the while with— of a massive pay increase all the while with people leaving our the while with people leaving owe-oo— the while with people leaving owe-go owo— the while with people leaving our-go and work- the while with people leaving our go and work in our nhs to go and work in oowobbbowe— our nhs to go and work in conditions abroad which are deemed— conditions abroad which are. deemed _course deemed better. and of course beoe-e— deemed better. and of course bbob-e-we-we- deemed better. and of course that's-we've even- deemed better. and of course that's we've even got that's before we've even got eboweo— that's before we've even got eboweo ow— that's before we've even got started on the— that's before we've even got started on the wonderful weobbee. — started on the wonderful weather. joined now started on the wonderful weather. .joined now dr. weather. i'm joined now by dr. cboebee— weather. i'm joined now by dr. charles tannock,_ weather. i'm joined now by dr. charles tannock, an nhs charles tannock, who is an nhs oowewbbowb— charles tannock, who is an nhs consultant. thank— charles tannock, who is an nhs consultant. thank very consultant. thank you very much, booboe— consultant. thank you very much, booboe-eeeob— consultant. thank you very much, doctor-greatlhave- doctor charles. great to have you— doctor charles. great to have wow-eeow. — doctor charles. great to have wow-eeow. .- doctor charles. great to have you - show. i don't - doctor charles. great to have you show. i don't know if you on the show. i don't know if you— you on the show. i don't know if you twee— you on the show. i don't know if you be beowe— you on the show. i don't know if wow twee beowe o— you on the show. i don't know if you just heard a bit— you on the show. i don't know if you just heard a bit of what tom boewooo— you just heard a bit of what tom boewooo woe— you just heard a bit of what tom harwood was saying there. people like harwood was saying there. people bbbe-ew— harwood was saying there. people bbbe-em wowwb- harwood was saying there. people like i'm hoping might like me and i'm hoping you might be-eoweobe— like me and i'm hoping you might be-educate me— like me and i'm hoping you might be-educate melbit- be able to educate me a bit beoe,— be able to educate me a bit beoe-beowee— be able to educate me a bit here,-people-me. be able to educate me a bit here, people me are here, but people like me are eeeobebbwo— here, but people like me are scratching-heads- here, but people like me are scratching heads a bit scratching our heads a bit beee— scratching our heads a bit bee bb— scratching our heads a bit because it does- scratching our heads a bit because it does seem we're because it does seem like we're being— because it does seem like we're being bowweo— because it does seem like we're being banned doing being banned from doing significant— being banned from doing significant reforms to our nhs being banned from doing signimight reforms to our nhs being banned from doing signimight makeis to our nhs being banned from doing signimight make the our nhs being banned from doing signimight make the workings that might make the working

oowobbbowe— conditions and the finances bebbee—wbol conditions and the finances. better—who work better for the people who work in them. — better for the people who work in them. people— better for the people who work in them. people go on strike n— in them. people go on strike it and— in them. people go on strike over it and .they- in them. people go on strike over it and they just leave over it and then they just leave to-join— over it and then they just leave to-join a— over it and then they just leave to-join a system- over it and then they just leave to-join a system in- to go and join a system in another— to go and join a system in another country- to go and join a system in another country they another country that they woman-t— another country that they wouldn't-to - another country that they wouldn't to have another country that they- wouldn't-to have here. wouldn't allow us to have here. wen— wouldn't allow us to have here. mum— wouldn't allow us to have here. welllmean,-clarify. . wouldn't allow us to have here. well mean, clarify. well i mean, let me clarify. first— well i mean, let me clarify. first-an.— well i mean, let me clarify. first-all, i've— well i mean, let me clarify. first-all, i'vejust- well i mean, let me clarify. first. all, i've just retired. first of all, i've just retired from the nhs in september. i last worked in it in august \\ " i last worked in it in august and m — last worked in it in august and m .fuuy— last worked in it in august and i'm .fully retired- last worked in it in august and i'm fully retired from i'm now fully retired from clinical— i'm now fully retired from clinical practise but yes, i was a junior— clinical practise but yes, i was once a junior doctor for many years— once a junior doctor for many years-we— once a junior doctor for many years-we-to- once a junior doctor for many years-we-to work. years and we had to work extremely— years and we had to work extremely those days. extremely hard in those days. and— extremely hard in those days. and-we— extremely hard in those days. and-we probably- extremely hard in those days. and we probably earned and in fact we probably earned less— and in fact we probably earned less-than— and in fact we probably earned less-than in- and in fact we probably earned less-than in real- and in fact we probably earned less than in real terms less per hour than in real terms than— less per hour than in real terms than is— less per hour than in real terms than is paid— less per hour than in real terms than is paid today.— less per hour than in real terms than is paid today. but of course we did— than is paid today. but of course we did many longer hours because— course we did many longer hours because ef— course we did many longer hours because of the— course we did many longer hours because of the working time tiieetive — because of the working time directive iwhich _ because of the working time directive which the directive, which reduced the ant— directive, which reduced the amount overtime done by amount of overtime done by junior— amount of overtime done by junior doctors.— amount of overtime done by junior doctors. but am sympathetic- junior doctors. but am sympathetic because over the tatt— sympathetic because over the iaet is— sympathetic because over the iaet it years— sympathetic because over the last 15 years since the wta has teen— last 15 years since the wta has teen in— last 15 years since the wta has been in operation.— last 15 years since the wta has been in operation. junior teeters— been in operation. junior teeters ae— been in operation. junior doctors are effectively taking a pay eat— doctors are effectively taking a pay eat in— doctors are effectively taking a pay eat in tea— doctors are effectively taking a pay cut in real terms of about 25%— pay cut in real terms of about 25% ant— pay cut in real terms of about 25% and they're— pay cut in real terms of about 25% and they're falling behind etnen— 25% and they're falling behind other professionals, lawyers and aneniteets. — other professionals, lawyers and architects. and _ other professionals, lawyers and architects. and so— other professionals, lawyers and architects. and so on. so enineegrs— architects. and so on. so engineers se— architects. and so on. so engineers so if- architects. and so on. so engineers so if we don't pay our teeters— engineers so if we don't pay our teeters neit— engineers so if we don't pay our doctors well enough people will go doctors well enough people will ge inte— doctors well enough people will ge inte etner—

doctors well enough people will go into other professions or as you— go into other professions or as yea say,— go into other professions or as yea say, tney— go into other professions or as you say, they will— go into other professions or as you say, they will emigrate to etner— you say, they will emigrate to other jurisdictions where nritisn— other jurisdictions where british training is well appreciated- british training is well appreciated and it is a huge investment— appreciated and it is a huge investment in— appreciated and it is a huge investment in british training. we terget— investment in british training. we forget that— investment in british training. we forget that when a doctor ieaes— we forget that when a doctor ieaves tne — we forget that when a doctor leaves the uk— we forget that when a doctor leaves the uk ,_ we forget that when a doctor leaves the uk , it's the british leaves the uk, it's the british taxpayer— leaves the uk, it's the british taxpayer vne— leaves the uk, it's the british taxpayer who paid for their training— taxpayer who paid for their training and— taxpayer who paid for their training and the australian or canatian— training and the australian or canadian, whichever government vvnien— canadian, whichever government which benefits— canadian, whichever government which benefits from a fully trainee— which benefits from a fully trained doctor— which benefits from a fully trained doctor and don't have to pay trained doctor and don't have to pay ter— trained doctor and don't have to pay ter tnat— trained doctor and don't have to pay for that training . so i am i pay for that training. so i am i an— pay for that training. so i am i an verv— pay for that training. so i am i am very sympathetic to the teeters— am very sympathetic to the teeters en— am very sympathetic to the doctors on the— am very sympathetic to the doctors on the other hand, i'm atse— doctors on the other hand, i'm also sympathetic— doctors on the other hand, i'm also sympathetic to the service . teat.— also sympathetic to the service . vean. ant— also sympathetic to the service . vean. ant i— also sympathetic to the service . yeah. and i do— also sympathetic to the service . yeah. and i do think one of tne— . yeah. and i do think one of tne nretiens— . yeah. and i do think one of the problems the— . yeah. and i do think one of the problems the nhs, it's teeerne— the problems the nhs, it's become bureaucratic , very become very bureaucratic, very management— become very bureaucratic, very management led.— become very bureaucratic, very management led. the clinicians are management led. the clinicians etten— management led. the clinicians are often interfered with in terms— are often interfered with in terms et— are often interfered with in terms of their— are often interfered with in terms of their own autonomy , terms of their own autonomy, vvnien— terms of their own autonomy, vnien ve— terms of their own autonomy, which we enjoyed when we were teeters. — which we enjoyed when we were teeters. can— which we enjoyed when we were teeters. can i— which we enjoyed when we were doctors. can i just— which we enjoyed when we were doctors. can i just ask- which we enjoyed when we were doctors. c?“ r: m doctors. can i just ask a quick, a quick question, if that's all right, a little bit about you. we not wanting to pry too much, but you mentioned that you retired relatively recently. and i mean, with respect , you don't i mean, with respect, you don't look particularly old. and that implies to me as though if you work very, very hard, very hard doing an absolutely vital job, saving lives day in and day out,

even if you are on not the best of money, early doors as junior doctors no doubt will not be. they use the metric of a barista at press, i think, don't they, to say that their hourly rate is about the same as that. but the implication for me, dr. charles, from from you would be you from from you would be that you can get and then you can can get on and then you can retire at some point and you can have a life. and have quite a nice life. and i think a lot of people will think, well, that's just a normal way of working, isn't it.7 you work your way up to a better financial situation. well, for a start, can retire start, doctors can retire reasonably early. i started traving— reasonably early. i started drawing—wheni reasonably early. i startedi drawing—when i reasonably early. i started- drawing_when i was 60 drawing my pension when i was 60 and drawing my pension when i was 60 ant-te— drawing my pension when i was 60 ant-te te— drawing my pension when i was 60 and-to do locums.- and was able to do locums. inere-s— and was able to do locums. there's such— and was able to do locums. there's such a— and was able to do locums. there's such a shortage of senier-tne- there's such a shortage of- senior-the-that senior doctors in the nhs that tnere-s— senior doctors in the nhs that tnere-s a— senior doctors in the nhs that there's a large— senior doctors in the nhs that there's a large market for teearns— there's a large market for locums being— there's a large market for locums being paid very, very targe— locums being paid very, very targe neartv— locums being paid very, very large hourly rates. i was earning— large hourly rates. i was earning a— large hourly rates. i was earning a lot- large hourly rates. i was earning a lot of money as an nhs tetan— earning a lot of money as an nhs teean in— earning a lot of money as an nhs teean in tne— earning a lot of money as an nhs locum in the last— earning a lot of money as an nhs locum in the last three years sie— locum in the last three years i— locum in the last three years since i ceased— locum in the last three years since i ceased to— locum in the last three years since i ceased to be a member of the since i ceased to be a member of tne tarenean— since i ceased to be a member of the european parliament so that is unfortunate— the european parliament so that is unfortunate because it's testing— is unfortunate because it's eesting tne— is unfortunate because it's costing the taxpayer a lot of nenev— costing the taxpayer a lot of nenev ant— costing the taxpayer a lot of money and it's— costing the taxpayer a lot of money and it's indeed the eensatts— money and it's indeed the consults acas_ money and it's indeed the consults acas and senior non—career doctor grades will

nave— non—career doctor grades will nave te— non—career doctor grades will nave te natt— non—career doctor grades will have to pull their— non—career doctor grades will have to pull their finger out tomorrow until— have to pull their finger out tomorrow until saturday to do the tomorrow until saturday to do tne tatt— tomorrow until saturday to do tne tatt et— tomorrow until saturday to do the bulk of the— tomorrow until saturday to do the bulk of the heavy lifting. if the bulk of the heavy lifting. it tne— the bulk of the heavy lifting. it tne ianier— the bulk of the heavy lifting. if the junior doctors aren't tnere— if the junior doctors aren't tnere te— if the junior doctors aren't there to give— if the junior doctors aren't there to give their support. and so, there to give their support. and ves— there to give their support. and ves tnere— there to give their support. and so, yes, there are— there to give their support. and so, yes, there are flaws in the system — so, yes, there are flaws in the system ant — so, yes, there are flaws in the system ant i— so, yes, there are flaws in the system and i do— so, yes, there are flaws in the system and i do think that needs to system and i do think that needs te te— system and i do think that needs te te teeteri— system and i do think that needs to be looked at— system and i do think that needs to be looked at very carefully. in — to be looked at very carefully. in net— to be looked at very carefully. i'm not convinced— to be looked at very carefully. i'm not convinced that the private— i'm not convinced that the private sector— i'm not convinced that the private sector will work either entirety— private sector will work either entirely because _ private sector will work either entirely because it's incredibly xpesive— entirely because it's incredibly expensive and— entirely because it's incredibly expensive and doctors earn a tertane— expensive and doctors earn a tenane in— expensive and doctors earn a tenane in tne— expensive and doctors earn a fortune in the private sector . i fortune in the private sector. i tive— fortune in the private sector. i now live abroad— fortune in the private sector. i now live abroad in eastern tarepe— now live abroad in eastern tarepe, vnere— now live abroad in eastern europe, where i- now live abroad in eastern europe, where i could see a eensattant— europe, where i could see a consultant for— europe, where i could see a consultant for £40. if i go and see a consultant— consultant for £40. if i go and see a consultant in london, it tests— see a consultant in london, it eests ne— see a consultant in london, it costs me £400.— see a consultant in london, it costs me £400. well, yes, exaettv— costs me £400. well, yes, exaettv . — costs me £400. well, yes, exactly . doddie- costs me £400. well, yes, exactly . i:: ii; iii costs me £400. well, yes,- exactly . doddie charles, thank exactly. doddie charles, thank you very much. dr. charles tannock there, who was an nhs consultant. he's now happily retired by the sounds of things . can go live now to . look, we can go live now to the house where joe biden the white house where joe biden is hosting white is hosting the annual white house easter roll. house easter egg roll. i believe. we're going to whiz believe. so. we're going to whiz you stateside. this is you over stateside. so this is washington. is joe biden washington. that is joe biden there, believe. is . there, i believe. yes, he is. and he is getting ready. at some point soon, he'll be flying over to won't he.7 right to ireland, won't he? but right now, important business now, he's got important business to at the white house,

to attend to at the white house, where there be the easter where there will be the easter egg and ladies and gents, egg roll. and ladies and gents, ihave egg roll. and ladies and gents, i have some pretty news i have some pretty big news about biden coming your way about joe biden coming your way very, very shortly . you're not very, very shortly. you're not going want to that. stay going to want to miss that. stay tuned

yes. welcome back. i've got loads more coming your way between now and 4 pm. do you think that britain is a racially just society? apparently not. according to a new study. we'll have the reaction on that. and apparently one of the most discriminating groups might not be that you're be the group that you're thinking so i'll reveal all thinking of. so i'll reveal all shortly. and bbc has shortly. and the bbc has objected being labelled as objected to being labelled as government funded media on twitter. but it was the social media giant right to label it as that. but first, though, it's your headlines with polly middlehurst . patrick. thank you. middlehurst. patrick. thank you. the top stories this hour and

some breaking— the top stories this hour and some breaking news. police in tennern— some breaking news. police in northern ireland— some breaking news. police in northern ireland have come under attack— northern ireland have come under attaet in— northern ireland have come under attack in londonderry missiles , attack in londonderry missiles, inetating— attack in londonderry missiles, including petrol— attack in londonderry missiles, including petrol bombs were tnrevn— including petrol bombs were tnrevvn at— including petrol bombs were thrown at police— including petrol bombs were thrown at police during an ittegat— thrown at police during an illegal anti— thrown at police during an illegal anti republic assault rnaren — illegal anti republic assault rnaren ine— illegal anti republic assault march. the force has been on nign— march. the force has been on nign atert— march. the force has been on high alert after— march. the force has been on high alert after the terror tnreat— high alert after the terror tnreat vas— high alert after the terror threat was raised over possible attaets— threat was raised over possible attacks targeting _ threat was raised over possible attacks targeting officers. the vietenee— attacks targeting officers. the violence comes— attacks targeting officers. the violence comes ahead of the itine— violence comes ahead of the prime minister's— violence comes ahead of the prime minister's visit . rishi prime minister's visit. rishi senat— prime minister's visit. rishi sanat viti— prime minister's visit. rishi sunak will be— prime minister's visit. rishi sunak will be in belfast tomorrow to— sunak will be in belfast tomorrow to host us president joe tomorrow to host us president tee etten— tomorrow to host us president joe biden, marking the 25th anniversary— joe biden, marking the 25th anniversary of— joe biden, marking the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement. — anniversary of the good friday agreement. well— anniversary of the good friday agreement. well as you've just teen— agreement. well as you've just teen seeing— agreement. well as you've just been seeing with— agreement. well as you've just been seeing with patrick just in— been seeing with patrick just now in washington, the us presitent— now in washington, the us president has— now in washington, the us president has said he plans to in— president has said he plans to in tne— president has said he plans to run in the 2024— president has said he plans to run in the 2024 election. these are run in the 2024 election. these tive— run in the 2024 election. these are live pictures— run in the 2024 election. these are live pictures of— run in the 2024 election. these are live pictures of joe biden at tne— are live pictures of joe biden at tne wnite— are live pictures of joe biden at the white house. meet members of at the white house. meet members et tne— at the white house. meet members et tne pattie— at the white house. meet members et tne pattie ter— at the white house. meet members of the public for the— at the white house. meet members of the public for the annual tinte— of the public for the annual white house— of the public for the annual white house easter egg roll. of the public for the annual white house easter egg roll . joe white house easter egg roll. joe etten— white house easter egg roll. joe niten nas— white house easter egg roll. joe biden has voiced— white house easter egg roll. joe biden has voiced his intention to biden has voiced his intention te ran— biden has voiced his intention te as— biden has voiced his intention te as tne— biden has voiced his intention to run as the democrat candidate,— to run as the democrat candidate, but has yet to make any— candidate, but has yet to make any ternat— candidate, but has yet to make any formal announcement. candidate, but has yet to make any formal announcement . both any formal announcement. both etten— any formal announcement. both niten ant— any formal announcement. both niten ant nis— any formal announcement. both biden and his president, vice inesitent— biden and his president, vice president kamala harris, have sait— president kamala harris, have sait tney-tt— president kamala harris, have said they'll run— president kamala harris, have said they'll run together and in etner—

said they'll run together and in some other breaking news and stit— some other breaking news and stitt in— some other breaking news and stitt in tne— some other breaking news and still in the united states, nattipte— still in the united states, multiple casualties have been repertet— multiple casualties have been reported following a shooting in teaisvitte— reported following a shooting in louisville in— reported following a shooting in louisville in kentucky , the louisville in kentucky, the eity-s— louisville in kentucky, the eity-s petite— louisville in kentucky, the city's police department confirmed— city's police department confirmed it— city's police department confirmed it was responding to an active— confirmed it was responding to an active aggressor and later sait— an active aggressor and later sait tne— an active aggressor and later said the suspect— an active aggressor and later said the suspect had been neutralised_ said the suspect had been neutralised .— said the suspect had been neutralised . and six people were neutralised. and six people were repenetty— neutralised. and six people were repenetty snet.— neutralised. and six people were reportedly shot. that's asserting— reportedly shot. that's according to- reportedly shot. that's according to american media. and nee,— according to american media. and here, new details— according to american media. and here, new details have been anveitet— here, new details have been unveiled about— here, new details have been unveiled about the king's coronation— unveiled about the king's coronation ,_ unveiled about the king's coronation , including the coronation, including the pessin— coronation, including the procession route which will see the procession route which will see tne rnenaren— procession route which will see the monarch and— procession route which will see the monarch and the queen eensert— the monarch and the queen consort travelling to westminster abbey in the air eentitienet— westminster abbey in the air conditioned diamond jubilee state— conditioned diamond jubilee state coach.— conditioned diamond jubilee state coach. they'll only ride in tne— state coach. they'll only ride in tne tess— state coach. they'll only ride in the less comfortable gold carriage— in the less comfortable gold carriage first— in the less comfortable gold carriage first used in 1831 on tneir— carriage first used in 1831 on tneir reurtn— carriage first used in 1831 on their return journey. crown tenets— their return journey. crown ievvetsvvitt— their return journey. crown jewels will also feature during the jewels will also feature during tne service— jewels will also feature during tne serviee .— jewels will also feature during the service , including the the service, including the sveeigns— the service, including the sovereign's sceptre . camilla is sovereign's sceptre. camilla is to sovereign's sceptre. camilla is te nett— sovereign's sceptre. camilla is te nett tne— sovereign's sceptre. camilla is to hold the queen consort rod, vvnien— to hold the queen consort rod, vnien is— to hold the queen consort rod, which is controversially made tren— which is controversially made tren ivery— which is controversially made tren ivery .— which is controversially made from ivory . you're up to date on from ivory. you're up to date on tv from ivory. you're up to date on iv entine— from ivory. you're up to date on iv entine .— from ivory. you're up to date on tv online , dab+_ from ivory. you're up to date on tv online , dab+ radio and on the tv online, dab+ radio and on the tune— tv online, dab+ radio and on the tune in— tv online, dab+ radio and on the tune in app— tv online, dab+ radio and on the tune in app witn— tv online, dab+ radio and on the

tune in app vvitn .— tune in app with. gb news. unv— tune in app with. gb news. inow te— tune in app with. gb news. inow te a— tune in app with. gb news. i now to a report- tune in app with. gb news. - now to a report that. now to a report that claims britain close a britain is not close to being a racially just society. a two year says there is year study says there is widespread inequality and racial discrimination in at work education, housing and dealings with the police in the uk. i want to show you now some of the key findings from this report. so more than 60% of gypsy or traveller people say that they've suffered racist insults, property damage or physical attacks 43% of black caribbean people have experienced discrimination in dealings with the police, they say, and 60% of roma families live in overcrowded conditions . there is overcrowded conditions. there is a lot of different elements to talk about when it comes to this report. with me now is the author and writer is femi nylander. femi, thank you very, very much. now, forgive me. i'm just going to start by asking the basis for this report. is it based off feelings or actual

evidence . it's based? well, evidence. it's based? well, i mean, it's largely survey driven, but it's not really to say feelings. if someone's repening— say feelings. if someone's reporting their— ”iii; 93 if someone's reporting their experience, if you— reporting their experience, if yeu get— reporting their experience, if yeu get a— reporting their experience, if you get a question, the whole peint— you get a question, the whole peint et— you get a question, the whole point of surveys— you get a question, the whole point of surveys are they're quantitative _ point of surveys are they're quantitative data . �*" quantitative data. if you ask someone a survey question and it says has your house ever been egged? and they say yes, then you egged? and they say yes, then yeu trust— egged? and they say yes, then yeu trust tnat— riggic?’ and they say yes, then you trust that they're telling the you trust that they're telling tne trutn— you trust that they're telling the truth and— you trust that they're telling the truth and if— you trust that they're telling the truth and if you have a survey— the truth and if you have a survey driven _ the truth and if you have a survey driven report which asks peepte— survey driven report which asks peepte vvnetner— survey driven report which asks people whether they've experience _ experience incidents of racial assautt— assault incidents of physical assault,_what. assault incidents of physical. assault,_what kind assault, incidents of what kind of assault, incidents of what kind et neusing— assault, incidents of what kind of housing they— assault, incidents of what kind of housing they live in, whether seeiat— of housing they live in, whether social housing— of housing they live in, whether social housing or— of housing they live in, whether social housing or not, generally we ge— social housing or not, generally we ge witn— social housing or not, generally we ge vvitn tne— social housing or not, generally we go with the results of what the we go with the results of what tne survey— we go with the results of what tne survey say. — we go with the results of what the survey say. ' r: we go with the results of what the survey say. ' the survey say. and so i wouldn't say it's based on feelings, even though it is a survey driven report. the reason i ask survey driven report. the reason i ask tnat— survey driven report. the reason i ask tnat tne— survey driven report. the reason i ask that the reason— survey driven report. the reason i ask that the reason i- ”rt; ” iii" fizzirzrx the reason i ask that the reason i asked tnat— i ask that the reason i asked tnat vas— i ask that the reason i asked that was because— i ask that the reason i asked that was because i read this repen— that was because i read this .gpop, tnis— that was because i read this report, this morning and i imagine— report, this morning and i imagine millions of people imagine millions of other people did imagine millions of other people tit as— imagine millions of other people tit as wet. — imagine millions of other people did as well. and— imagine millions of other people did as well. and i've got to be nenest— did as well. and i've got to be nenest witn— did as well. and i've got to be honest with you,— did as well. and i've got to be honest with you, was very, honest with you, i was very, very— honest with you, i was very, very sneetet— honest with you, i was very, very shocked by— honest with you, i was very, very shocked by some of these tintings— very shocked by some of these findings—where. findings to the point where i ten-t— findings to the point where i ten-t vant— findings to the point where i don't want to _ findings to the point where i don't want to seem like was don't want to seem like i was turying— don't want to seem like i was tuning-neat— don't want to seem like i was burying-head in- don't want to seem like i was burying head in the sand burying my head in the sand teeause— burying my head in the sand because-i- burying my head in the sand because i completely because obviously i completely

agree— because obviously i completely agree-ptenty— because obviously i completely agree plenty people, too agree that plenty of people, too many— agree that plenty of people, too many unspeakable many people face unspeakable discrimination— discrimination and racism and stutt— discrimination and racism and stutt-tnat. — discrimination and racism and stuff-that. but— discrimination and racism and stuff-that. but i- discrimination and racism and stuff that. but i look at stuff like that. but i look at sene—ueartyl some of the facts. nearly a tnirt— some of the facts. nearly a tnirt-tren - some of the facts. nearly a third from ethnic some of the facts. nearly a- third-from ethnic and third of people from ethnic and retigieus— third of people from ethnic and religious minority— third of people from ethnic and religious minority groups repertet— religious minority groups reported racial discrimination in education and employment. uearty— in education and employment. nearly discrimination when experienced discrimination when teeting— experienced discrimination when looking-housing,— experienced discrimination when looking housing, which looking for housing, which inpties— looking for housing, which inpties te— looking for housing, which implies to me— looking for housing, which implies to me like a landlord veutt— implies to me like a landlord veutt-ne— implies to me like a landlord would-nolthem- implies to me like a landlord would-nolthem if- implies to me like a landlord would no them if they would say no to them if they et— would say no to them if they et a— would say no to them if they were of a particular ethnic ninerity— were of a particular ethnic minority. obe— were of a particular ethnic minority. obe nearly more than a tittn— minority. obe nearly more than a tittn et— minority. obe nearly more than a tittn et att— minority. obe nearly more than a fifth of all minorities reported expeiene— fifth of all minorities reported experience discrimination by the petite— experience discrimination by the petite .— experience discrimination by the petite , ant— experience discrimination by the police , and this— experience discrimination by the police , and this rose to 43% of police, and this rose to 43% of ttaet— police, and this rose to 43% of black caribbean— police, and this rose to 43% of black caribbean groups , black caribbean groups, etcetera.— black caribbean groups, etcetera. i— black caribbean groups, etcetera. i mean , can this etcetera. i mean, can this reatty— etcetera. i mean, can this reatty te— etcetera. i mean, can this really be true— etcetera. i mean, can this really be true that it's that vitespreat— really be true that it's that vitespreat .— really be true that it's that widespread . _ really be true that it's that widespread . i— really be true that it's that widespread . g f widespread. i think it certainly can be true. this is a country vvnien— can be true. this is a country vnien net— can be true. this is a country which not that— can be true. this is a country which not that long- er?" this is a country which not that long ago had had signs— which not that long ago had had signs up— which not that long ago had had signs up saying— which not that long ago had had signs up saying ne— which not that long ago had had signs up saying no blacks, no tegs— signs up saying no blacks, no tegs ne— signs up saying no blacks, no dogs, no irish. _ signs up saying no blacks, no dogs, no irish. i— signs up saying no blacks, no dogs, no irish. " signs up saying no blacks, no dogs, no irish. i mean, we've got we've got we've got we've got we've got we've got we've got to take people things at face value. i mean, you wouldn't maybe you would be surprised by the findings, but that's probably partly because you're not ethnic minority not an ethnic minority and you've never had these things happen to you. you've never been attaetet. —a-

happen to you. you've never been attacked. _a nick. attacked. brownite and a nick gibb have been attacked. gibb have have been attacked. i had a&e with people had to go to a&e with people calling me the n—word. you've never with rental never had issues with rental agreements and had people turned down you so you down for job down you so you down for a job because what your name because of what your name was and sounded an ethnic and it sounded like an ethnic name. all i know plenty of people who have had experiences that all of the that align with all of the things and things you just said. and i'm sure that of the ethnic sure that a lot of the ethnic minorities who are reading this report been report wouldn't have been surprised they would surprised at all what they would have been surprised about is the findings of sewell report findings of the sewell report a few ago, which did come up few years ago, which did come up with some very dubious with some very, very dubious claims. yeah, well, that's this is—sevett- claims. yeah, well, that's thisi is_sewell report is to build on the sewell report unten— is to build on the sewell report vvnien-nave— is to build on the sewell report which-have said- is to build on the sewell report which have said obviously which some have said obviously tevnptayet— which some have said obviouslyi downplayed—racism downplayed the nature of racism in—vvnen— downplayed the nature of racism in—vvnen it- downplayed the nature of racism in _when it comes. downplayed the nature of racism in when it comes to in this country when it comes to the in this country when it comes to tne peepte— in this country when it comes to tne peepte vne— in this country when it comes to the people who are— in this country when it comes to the people who are experiencing some-most racist- the people who are experiencing some most racist ism. i some of the most racist ism. i suppese— some of the most racist ism. i suppese yeu— some of the most racist ism. i suppose you could— some of the most racist ism. i suppose you could say discrimination. i'm just going to discrimination. i'm just going te reat— discrimination. i'm just going te reat tevn— discrimination. i'm just going to read down the— discrimination. i'm just going to read down the list. i've got gypsy— to read down the list. i've got gypsy slash_ to read down the list. i've got gypsy slash traveller at above ee— gypsy slash traveller at above so. rust— gypsy slash traveller at above 60. just below— gypsy slash traveller at above 60. just below that, got 60. just below that, i've got etner— 60. just below that, i've got other black. _ 60. just below that, i've got other black. .not- 60. just below that, i've got other black. not 100% sure other black. i'm not 100% sure exaetty— other black. i'm not 100% sure exaetty-tnat— other black. i'm not 100% sure exactly that means, but exactly what that means, but tnere— exactly what that means, but there -jewish - exactly what that means, but there -jewish at - exactly what that means, but there jewish at around there we go. jewish at around tne— there we go. jewish at around tne-natt— there we go. jewish at around the-mark mix— there we go. jewish at around the mark mix white with the 57% mark mix white with tiaet— the 57% mark mix white with black, african _ the 57% mark mix white with black, african mixed white with ttaet— black, african mixed white with black caribbean— black, african mixed white with black caribbean ,_ black, african mixed white with black caribbean , roma, then just black caribbean, roma, then just ttaet—

black caribbean, roma, then just black, caribbean,— black caribbean, roma, then just black, caribbean, etcetera . and black, caribbean, etcetera. and tnen— black, caribbean, etcetera. and tnen it— black, caribbean, etcetera. and tnen it rust— black, caribbean, etcetera. and then it just come— black, caribbean, etcetera. and then it just come down to white irisn— then it just come down to white irisn aetuatty— then it just come down to white irish actually. and— then it just come down to white irish actually. and then you vert— irish actually. and then you vent-nay— irish actually. and then you vent-way att— irish actually. and then you work way all the way down work your way all the way down the work your way all the way down tne tist— work your way all the way down the list there— work your way all the way down the list there and— work your way all the way down the list there and were you surpriset— the list there and were you surpriset at— the list there and were you surprised at some of the discrimination- surprised at some of the discrimination against just the iravetter— discrimination against just the traveller community, for exanptee— traveller community, for example? because i think when a lot example? because i think when a tet et— example? because i think when a tet et peepte— example? because i think when a lot of people think— example? because i think when a lot of people think about racism and discrimination— lot of people think about racism and discrimination , they do and discrimination, they do tnint— and discrimination, they do think-ethnic— and discrimination, they do think ethnic minorities based think of ethnic minorities based en stin— think of ethnic minorities based more on skin colour than you veutt— more on skin colour than you veutt tint.— more on skin colour than you would find. of— more on skin colour than you would find. of course, with the preteninantty— would find. of course, with the predominantly traveller predominantly irish traveller eennunity— predominantly irish traveller community, for— predominantly irish traveller community, for example, are you surpriset— community, for example, are you surpriset-tnat— community, for example, are you surprised that level of surprised at that level of discrimination? yeah, discrimination? ian yeah, i mean, roma people , traveller mean, roma people, traveller eennunity— mean, roma people, traveller eennunity, a— mean, roma people, traveller community, a lot— mean, roma people, traveller community, a lot of them do have tney— community, a lot of them do have tney are— community, a lot of them do have tney visitty— community, a lot of them do have they are visibly different in way— they are visibly different in some way because they do aetuatty— some way because they do actually descend from a group vne— actually descend from a group vvne in— actually descend from a group vvne in part— actually descend from a group who in part from _ actually descend from a group who in part from a group which tivet— who in part from a group which tivet in— who in part from a group which lived in india,— who in part from a group which lived in india, quite a while ago,— lived in india, quite a while age, tut— lived in india, quite a while ago, but they've— lived in india, quite a while ago, but they've all across turepe— ago, but they've all across turepe nev— ago, but they've all across europe now and- ago, but they've all across europe now and as you say in the up,— europe now and as you say in the un a— europe now and as you say in the un a tet— europe now and as you say in the un a tet et— europe now and as you say in the uk, a lot of them— europe now and as you say in the uk, a lot of them now present more as irish.— uk, a lot of them now present more as irish. _ uk, a lot of them now present more as irish. the- uk, a lot of them now present more as irish. ”chi can more as irish. the reality is though, because they travel and because they often don't have fixed abodes because fixed abodes and because they move from kind of campsite to campsite and they they're perceived a certain way. and perceived in a certain way. and so it doesn't surprise me at all

that in the uk there is a lot of negative sentiment against traveller communities and that they've that as part of they've reported that as part of their experience . and obviously their experience. and obviously that's which is side that's something which is side by side with, as you said, people more clearly of people who are more clearly of ethnic minorities, people who are kind of a of a singularly south asian or african background. et cetera. et cetera . i mean, jewish people came up in the report as well. a lot of them, yeah. prominently. yeah. and seem identifiably white. and you wouldn't know unless you spoke to them or you asked them or you looked at what they were wearing. um, discrimination doesn't have to be about doesn't have to be solely about skin of the skin colour, but a lot of the time is. can i ask you time it is. can i ask you anetner— time it is. can i ask you another question- g g can i ask you another question about this as vette— another question about this as vein-ve— another question about this as. well?-we-incidents well? because we had incidents reeentty— well? because we had incidents reeentty, ter— well? because we had incidents recently, for example, in the teieester— recently, for example, in the leicester area,— recently, for example, in the leicester area, which was based areunt— leicester area, which was based. areunt—between around some difficulties between the around some difficulties between tne-eennunity- around some difficulties between the community there the muslim community there and the muslim community there and tne-eennunity— the muslim community there and the community there. and the hindu community there. and again— the hindu community there. and again .— the hindu community there. and again , i— the hindu community there. and again , i tnint— the hindu community there. and again , i think think a lot of again, i think i think a lot of peepte— again, i think i think a lot of peepte-rust— again, i think i think a lot ofj people .just-that again, i think i think a lot of. people-just-that all people will just assume that all of people will just assume that all et-raeiat— people will just assume that all of-racial issues— people will just assume that all of-racial issues in- people will just assume that all of racial issues in this of the racial issues in this eeuntry— of the racial issues in this eeuntry, i— of the racial issues in this eeuntry, i get— of the racial issues in this country, i get that a lot of tnen — country, i get that a lot of tnen are— country, i get that a lot of tnen ty— country, i get that a lot of them are, by the way, i'm not

trying— them are, by the way, i'm not trying te— them are, by the way, i'm not trying to diminish that. but all trying to diminiin that. but all of trying to diminish that. but all et tne— trying to diminish that. but all et tne raeiat— trying to diminish that. but all of the racial issues in this eeuntry— of the racial issues in this country .white- of the racial issues in this country white people against of the racial issues in this c(variety white people against of the racial issues in this c(variety of white people against of the racial issues in this c(variety of differentople against of the racial issues in this c(variety of different ethnicjainst a variety of different ethnic ninerities. — a variety of different ethnic minorities. but— a variety of different ethnic minorities. but that, i think, is stigntty— minorities. but that, i think, is slightly misleading, isn't it? is slightly misleading, isn't pp_g.g- is slightly misleading, isn't- it?_are-racial it? because there are are racial issues—raeiatl it? because there are are racial issuesthich-racial. it? because there are are racial issues which we're racial it? because there are are racial issues which we're nowcial it? because there are are racial issues which we're now seeing groups, which we're now seeing in tne— groups, which we're now seeing in tne ut— groups, which we're now seeing in tne ut as— groups, which we're now seeing in the uk as well.— groups, which we're now seeing in the uk as well. what do you mate— in the uk as well. what do you nateltnate — in the uk as well. what do you make .that? i— in the uk as well. what do you make .that? i think- in the uk as well. what do you make that? make of that? i think the uk has a particular history in the uk used to have an empire which spanned a quarter to half of the globe and that means that the people to the uk now people who come to the uk now come to the uk from all over the globe and we have a multi cultural, ethnically diverse community. you do have community. motty but you do have local conflicts. example, local conflicts. for example, the asian conflict you the south asian conflict you refer to you have a lot of refer to where you have a lot of tension between pakistan and india and the muslims in pakistan hindus in pakistan and the hindus in india, come up india, which come bubble up in the and part of the blame for the uk and part of the blame for that conflict, have to say, that conflict, i have to say, not all of it, of course, i'm not all of it, of course, i'm not i'm not kind of saying that india and pakistan don't have to deal with own and deal with their own issues and deal with their own issues and deal animosity between deal with the animosity between the community. oh oh, i think we've lost family. but it can be tast— we've lost family. but it can be taet tevn— we've lost family. but it can be taet tevn te—

we've lost family. but it can be back down to the— can but it can be back down to the partition and tast— back down to the partition and past tevn— back down to the partition and past tevn te— back down to the partition and back down to how— back down to the partition and back down to how pakistan and intia. — back down to how pakistan and intia. ta.— back down to how pakistan and india. no, he's— back down to how pakistan and india. \rr:::r okay. back down to how pakistan and india. \r:::r okay. all india. no, he's not. okay. all rigtt— india. no, he's not. okay. all rignt. i— india. no, he's not. okay. all rignt. i was— india. no, he's not. okay. all right. i was coming- india. no, he's not. okay. all right. i was coming on- india. \r:::r okay. all right. i was coming on to that. unat— right. i was coming on to that. wnat ne— right. i was coming on to that. wnat ne vas— right. i was coming on to that. what he was saying is i did make eneugn— what he was saying is i did make eneugn et— what he was saying is i did make eneugn et tnat— what he was saying is i did make enough of that out— what he was saying is i did make enough of that out and i will rust— enough of that out and i will iust exptain— enough of that out and i will just explain to— enough of that out and i will just explain to you, he's tasieatty— just explain to you, he's basically saying that because of the basically saying that because of tne—tne— basically saying that because of the—the empire- the issues with the empire tnere— the issues with the empire tnere-nayte- the issues with the empire there, maybe caused lot there, that maybe caused a lot of there, that maybe caused a lot et-prettens— there, that maybe caused a lot of-problems that- there, that maybe caused a lot of problems that we're now of the problems that we're now seeing— of the problems that we're now seeing-tne— of the problems that we're now seeing .the streets - seeing on the streets of britain.— seeing on the streets of britain. what- seeing on the streets of britain. what do you make of tnise— britain. what do you make of this?_gentlemen,| britain. what do you make of. this?_gentlemen, this this? ladies and gentlemen, this is—etese- this? ladies and gentlemen, this is—etese tel is that britain is not close to being— is that britain is not close to teinglraeiatty— is that britain is not close to being racially just society. being a racially just society. unat— being a racially just society. wnat te— being a racially just society. wnat te yeu— being a racially just society. what do you think we need to do to what do you think we need to do te te— what do you think we need to do te be a— what do you think we need to do to be a racially— what do you think we need to do to be a racially just— what do you think we need to do to be a racially just society? do to be a racially just society? i>e yeu— to be a racially just society? do you recognise— to be a racially just society? do you recognise the results nenes— do you recognise the resultsi here?_basically here? which is that basically a tnirt—etnniel here? which is that basically a third—ethnic ori third of people from ethnic or retigieus— third of people from ethnic or religious minority groups have repertet— religious minority groups have reported discrimination religious minority groups have repbasically discrimination religious minority groups have repbasically (grounds,ttion on basically all grounds, all watts— on basically all grounds, all watts-tren- on basically all grounds, all walks from housing to walks of life, from housing to etueatien — walks of life, from housing to education to _ walks of life, from housing to education to employment to the way— education to employment to the way-petite— education to employment to the nay-petite teat- education to employment to the way police deal with education to employment to the way in police deal with education to employment to the way in fact,iolice deal with education to employment to the way in fact, it ice deal with education to employment to the way in fact, it risesaal with education to employment to the way in fact, it rises with ith education to employment to the way in fact, it rises with the them. in fact, it rises with the way— them. in fact, it rises with the way tne— them. in fact, it rises with the way tne petite— them. in fact, it rises with the way the police deals do way the police deals them. do you— way the police deals them. do yeu-tnate- way the police deals them. do you -that? what- way the police deals them. do you that? what do way the police deals them. do. you -that? what do you you buy all of that? what do you mate— you buy all of that? what do you make et— you buy all of that? what do you make et ite— you buy all of that? what do you make of it? gb— you buy all of that? what do you make of it? gb views is a enuevvsut— make of it? gb views is a gbnews.uk though, gbnews.uk now, though, to a renartatte— gbnews.uk now, though, to a remarkable -from i remarkable comment from joe etten— remarkable comment from joe biden-teased— remarkable comment from joe biden. teased earlier biden. we teased this earlier ne— biden. we teased this earlier ne sait— biden. we teased this earlier on. he said in— biden. we teased this earlier on. he said in a— biden. we teased this earlier on. he said in a tv interview tnat— on. he said in a tv interview tnat ne— on. he said in a tv interview tnat ne ptans— on. he said in a tv interview that he plans to— on. he said in a tv interview that he plans to run for re—election,_ that he plans to run for re—election, but he's not preparet— re—election, but he's not prepared announce prepared to announce it yet. i tetieve— prepared to announce it yet. i tetieve tnis— prepared to announce it yet. i believe this remarkable. okay believe this is remarkable. okay so believe this is remarkable. okay se-ge. — believe this is remarkable. okay se-ge. reining- believe this is remarkable. okay se-ge. reining ne- believe this is remarkable. okay so go. joining me now so there we go. joining me now is republicans— so there we go. joining me now is republicans overseas spokeswoman sarah so, spokeswoman sarah elliott. so,

satan— spokeswoman sarah elliott. so, saran—yeu- spokeswoman sarah elliott. so, saran—yeu enl spokeswoman sarah elliott. so,| sarah,_you on the sarah, great to have you on the stew.— sarah, great to have you on the show-understand- sarah, great to have you on the show. understand it then show. so as i understand it then ant— show. so as i understand it then ant nepetutty— show. so as i understand it then and hopefully we're going to play— and hopefully we're going to play a_ and hopefully we're going to ptay a-et— and hopefully we're going to ptay a-et tnis- and hopefully we're going to play a of this very soon, play a clip of this very soon, joe— play a clip of this very soon, joe niten— play a clip of this very soon, joe biden-that- play a clip of this very soon, joe biden that was going joe biden said that he was going to joe biden said that he was going te-ter— joe biden said that he was going to-for president,— joe biden said that he was going to for president, but he's to run for president, but he's net— to run for president, but he's net-teti— to run for president, but he's net-tett us- to run for president, but he's not-tell us about. to run for president, but he's not tell us about it not going to tell us about it yet,— not going to tell us about it yet, tespite— not going to tell us about it yet, despite telling us about it. wnat-s— yet, despite telling us about it. what's happening? o" it. what's happening? oh, he's teasing— it. what's happening? oh, he's teasing-ant— it. what's happening? oh, he's teasing and keeping the media teasing up and keeping the media like but like yourself interested, but he's also signalling that he's there's no one else. he and kamala are going to be the nominees and the candidates in 2024. for the democrats . and any 2024. for the democrats. and any sense of if rivals or if there's anyone out there considering a run, you will have to fight the biden machine. run, you will have to fight the biden machine . and so to me, it biden machine. and so to me, it just signals that they think that trump could very well be the republican nominee. so it gives joe biden another option community at the white house because quite frankly, he cannot win or compete with a ron desantis if he is the nominee of the republican party, someone who's youthful , vivacious, has who's youthful, vivacious, has a

strong state behind him , as joe strong state behind him, as joe biden can only win with a divisive figure like donald trump. do divisive figure like donald trump . do you think he's trump. do you think he's aetuatty— 1. 3 do you think he's actually physically do you think he's actually physically capable? teen— actually physically capable? teet, tit— actually physically capable? look, i'll just— actually physically capable? look, i'll just say it. do you tnint— look, i'll just say it. do you tnint tnat— look, i'll just say it. do you think that joe— look, i'll just say it. do you think that joe biden is physically— think that joe biden is physically capable ill of anetner— physically capable ill of another term— physically capable ill of another term in the white house? no, another term in the white house? te, r— another term in the white house? te, r ten-t. — another term in the white house? te, r ten-t. ne— another term in the white house? no, i don't. he will— another term in the white house? no, i don't. he will be- another term in the white house? no, i don't. it; cg bit no, i don't. he will be 86 at the end of that term he's 81, i believe. now um, i know. i think it's liz ann. i think he's had a very grand career and he should just retire on his laurels and be proud of what he's done and how far he got, which is quite incredible. anyway, um, you know, he's never had a great stellar reputation in the senate as being a really bright light bulb or leading senator. i mean, so the fact that he's become president of the united states, that he should be very proud of that he should be very proud of that and, and enjoy his winter years with his family. that and, and enjoy his winter years with his family . um, but

years with his family. um, but i right now we have so many gop critical threats as well as internal divisions. we need youthful energy. we need a new generation of leadership. and i would say that from both parties. however, the democrats have no one. this is all they got. they all they only got joe biden. and part of the problem islvvett— biden. and part of the problem is.well,-america- : and part of the problem is well, america likes to is as well, the america likes to tang— is as well, the america likes to tang en— is as well, the america likes to tang rigntty— is as well, the america likes to bang on, rightly so, about being this bang on, rightly so, about being tnis great— bang on, rightly so, about being this great democratic bastion. i mean , even famously, along with mean, even famously, along with tnese— mean, even famously, along with tnese triet— mean, even famously, along with tnese triet te— mean, even famously, along with those tried to bring— mean, even famously, along with those tried to bring democracy to those tried to bring democracy te-et— those tried to bring democracy to-of different- to a variety of different countries _ to a variety of different countries limited to a variety of different- countries-limited success, countries with limited success, it—nut- countries with limited success, it—nut it- countries with limited success, it—nut it yeu- countries with limited success,i it_but if you know it must be said. but if you know tnat— it must be said. but if you know tnat seneene— it must be said. but if you know that someone is— it must be said. but if you know that someone is standing for eteetien— that someone is standing for election and— that someone is standing for election and that it isn't reatty— election and that it isn't really necessarily going to be tnen — really necessarily going to be tnen -tne— really necessarily going to be them the country, them running the country, then yeu-re— them running the country, then yeu-re-veting- them running the country, then you're-voting for- them running the country, then you're are voting for them running the country, then you're are you? voting for them running the country, then you're are you? and ing for them running the country, then you're are you? and thenir them running the country, then you're are you? and then that, them, are you? and then that, i mint,— them, are you? and then that, i pink, satis— them, are you? and then that, i think, calls into— them, are you? and then that, i think, calls into question the vvnete— think, calls into question the whole democratic process. but teen— whole democratic process. but teet, te— whole democratic process. but teet, te great— whole democratic process. but look, to great you, look, to great chat to you, g...p._ look, to great chat to you, saran—very- look, to great chat to you,i sarah._very, very sarah. thank you very, very nuen. — sarah. thank you very, very much. -elliott- sarah. thank you very, very much. elliott there, who much. sarah elliott there, who is republicans— much. sarah elliott there, who is republicans overseas spokeswoman, that spokeswoman, reacting to that news-tee — spokeswoman, reacting to that news joe apparently news that joe biden apparently anyway,— anyway, is going to run again. nut—tev- anyway, is going to run again.i but—now pensions but there we go. now pensions nave— but there we go. now pensions nave-up— but there we go. now pensions nave-uplnere- but there we go. now pensions have up more than 10% have gone up by more than 10% tetay— have gone up by more than 10% tetay. is— have gone up by more than 10% tetay. is tnat— have gone up by more than 10% today. is that fair— have gone up by more than 10% today. is that fair ?_ have gone up by more than 10% today. is that fair ? this always today. is that fair? this always tiets— today. is that fair? this always tiets ett— today. is that fair? this always tiets ett in— today. is that fair? this always kicks off in the— today. is that fair? this always kicks off in the inbox . gb views kicks off in the inbox. gb views at enuevvsut. — kicks off in the inbox. gb views at gbnews.uk. get— kicks off in the inbox. gb views at gbnews.uk. get them coming in. tetay—

at gbnews.uk. get them coming in. etay. ne— at gbnews.uk. get them coming in. etay. pe yeu— at gbnews.uk. get them coming in. okay. do you think it's fair young— in. okay. do you think it's fair young pimple— in. okay. do you think it's fair young people will be screaming at tne— young people will be screaming at tne ivs— young people will be screaming at tne ivs in— young people will be screaming at the tvs, in the— young people will be screaming at the tvs, in the radios now going,— at the tvs, in the radios now geing, were-sn— at the tvs, in the radios now going, where's my 10% pay rise? i going, where's my 10% pay rise? i cant— going, where's my 10% pay rise? i cant aftert— going, where's my 10% pay rise? i can't afford to— going, where's my 10% pay rise? i can't afford to get— going, where's my 10% pay rise? i can't afford to get on the neusing— i can't afford to get on the housing ladder.- i can't afford to get on the housing ladder. no doubt some of the housing ladder. no doubt some of tne tnere— housing ladder. no doubt some of the more senior— housing ladder. no doubt some of the more senior citizens out tnere— the more senior citizens out we, yeu— the more senior citizens out there, you legends will be saying,— there, you legends will be saying—intei there, you legends will be- saying,_into the saying, well, we paid into the system. — saying, well, we paid into the system. eur— saying, well, we paid into the system. our entire lives. i cant— system. our entire lives. i ean-tlant— system. our entire lives. i can't-and get- system. our entire lives. i can't and get another job now can't go and get anotherjob now because— can't go and get anotherjob now because-tee— can't go and get anotherjob now because-too old,— can't go and get anotherjob now because-too old, so- can't go and get anotherjob now because too old, so i need because i'm too old, so i need tnis— because i'm too old, so i need tnis. its— because i'm too old, so i need tnis. its-tain— because i'm too old, so i need this. it's-fair. come- because i'm too old, so i need this. it's fair. come on, this. it's only fair. come on, get— this. it's only fair. come on, get yeur— this. it's only fair. come on, get yeur views— this. it's only fair. come on,- get your views-thick get your views coming in thick ant— get your views coming in thick ant-tn— get your views coming in thick and-i'm patrick- get your views coming in thick and i'm patrick christys and fast. i'm patrick christys rignt—uevs- and fast. i'm patrick christys. right—news.-this

channel welcome i channel- welcome back. |cnannet- welcome back. now |cnannet— welcome back. now some good |ctannet— welcome back. now some good news for welcome back. now some good news ter mere— welcome back. now some good news ter tnan— welcome back. now some good news ter tnan i2— welcome back. now some good news for more than 12 million pensienes— for more than 12 million pensioners in- for more than 12 million pensioners in the uk , their pensioners in the uk, their pensiens— pensioners in the uk, their pensions have— pensioners in the uk, their pensions have gone up by a massive 10.1%— pensions have gone up by a massive 10.1% today. the increase is— massive 10.1% today. the increase is worth almost £19 a ween— increase is worth almost £19 a week, unten— increase is worth almost £19 a week, which sounds less massive, teesn-t— week, which sounds less massive, teesn-t ite— week, which sounds less massive, teesn-t ite nut— week, which sounds less massive, doesn't it? but there _ week, which sounds less massive, doesn't it? but there we go. i'm sure every little— doesn't it? but there we go. i'm sure every little helps and it's arter— sure every little helps and it's come after the _ sure every little helps and it's come after the reinstatement of the government's— come after the reinstatement of the government's triple lock g.....pgg,_ the government's triple lock guarantee, which was controversially suspended last year.— controversially suspended last year-ne— controversially suspended last year.-me now is- controversially suspended last year. me now is gb news year. joining me now is gb news tast— year. joining me now is gb news east midlands— year. joining me now is gb news east midlands reporter will nettis— east midlands reporter will nettis vne— east midlands reporter will hollis, who has— east midlands reporter will hollis, who has been speaking to peepte— hollis, who has been speaking to people-mansfield—

hollis, who has been speaking to people mansfield about the people in mansfield about the enanges— people in mansfield about the enanges-vvitt- people in mansfield about the changes-will yes- people in mansfield about the changes will yes , good changes today. will yes, good stutt. — changes today. will yes, good stutt. se— changes today. will yes, good stuff. so there's— changes today. will yes, good stuff. so there's a— changes today. will yes, good stuff. so there's a high prepenien— stuff. so there's a high proportion of- stuff. so there's a high proportion of people in mansfield,— proportion of people in mansfield, believe, proportion of people in mansfield,ibelieve, are on mansfield, i believe, who are on the mansfield, i believe, who are on tne—unat- mansfield, i believe, who are on the—what have. mansfield, i believe, who are oni the _what have you the state pension. what have you reunt— the state pension. what have you reunt-ter— the state pension. what have you found .for-what- the state pension. what have you found for what have you found out for us? what have you gteanet— found out for us? what have you gteanet e — found out for us? what have you gteanet e tes.— found out for us? what have you gleaned ? yes, well,- found out for us? what have you gleaned ? “4115 gleaned? yes, well, the state pension is going up by 10.1. that's because it's in line with the consumer prices index rate of inflation for september 1st fifth of people here in mansfield get that state pension . so i've been asking them out on the streets this easter monday, is that going to be enough?is monday, is that going to be enough? is it going to be enough to combat the cost of living pnces to combat the cost of living prices rises ? i'll put it like prices rises? i'll put it like tnis— prices rises? i'll put it like tnis reite— prices rises? i'll put it like this 10.1% with— prices rises? i'll put it like this 10.1% with the- f ” , i'll put it like this 10.1% with the biggest rise ive— this 10.1% with the biggest rise i-ve nat— this 10.1% with the biggest rise i've ever had in— this 10.1% with the biggest rise i've ever had in my life . 'r: i've ever had in my life. and vnere— i've ever had in my life. and where things— i've ever had in my life. and where things are— i've ever had in my life. and where things are going now, what they've offered nurses . it's they've offered nurses. it's pathetic to what they've offered us. and i think i'm not a greedy person. it us. and i think i'm not a greedy person . it probably won't cover person. it probably won't cover everytning. — person. it probably won't cover everything. what— person. it probably won't cover everything. what i— " it probably won't cover everything. ”calyx " it probably won't cover everything. ”ringing everything. what i really want, but i buy things i can afford. i don't buy things because i want them. i buy them if i can afford

them. i buy them if i can afford them. so i think that 10.1, i'm quite happy with it . i them. so i think that 10.1, i'm quite happy with it. i am fortunate enough- quite happy with it. i am fortunate enough to- r: g i am fortunate enough to have a quite happy with it. i am- fortunate enough to have a small pensien— fortunate enough to have a small pensien as— fortunate enough to have a small pension as well,— fortunate enough to have a small pension as well, but i think i'm atse— pension as well, but i think i'm atse et— pension as well, but i think i'm atse et tne— pension as well, but i think i'm also of the generation where you cut yeur— also of the generation where you eut yeur etetn— also of the generation where you cut your cloth according to how rnuen — cut your cloth according to how rnuen yeure — cut your cloth according to how much you're getting in. so i tnint— much you're getting in. so i tnint tnat— much you're getting in. so i think that i've— much you're getting in. so i think that i've got the skills to think that i've got the skills te te— think that i've got the skills te te atte— think that i've got the skills to be able to— think that i've got the skills to be able to sort of make it vert— to be able to sort of make it yet ter— to be able to sort of make it yet ter ne— to be able to sort of make it work for me. but— to be able to sort of make it work for me. but but yes, yes. its— work for me. but but yes, yes. its geet— work for me. but but yes, yes. it's good enough. _ work for me. but but yes, yes. it's good enough. (tit. it's good enough. but of course you can always want more . and you can always want more. and that's the thing, you— that's the thing, you know. but yes, — that's the thing, you know. but yes its— that's the thing, you know. but yes, its geet— that's the thing, you know. but yes, it's good enough, quite happy— yes, it's good enough, quite happy at_ yes, it's good enough, quite nappy at tne— yes, it's good enough, quite happy at the moment. and it's severing— happy at the moment. and it's severing eu— happy at the moment. and it's covering our costs.— happy at the moment. and it's covering our costs. i've got a private— covering our costs. i've got a private pensien— covering our costs. i've got a private pension as well, so i'm pretatty— private pension as well, so i'm pretatty a— private pension as well, so i'm pretatty a tuety— private pension as well, so i'm probably a lucky person in that must. — probably a lucky person in that must. eat.— probably a lucky person in that much. yeah. as— probably a lucky person in that much. yeah. as i— probably a lucky person in that much. yeah. as i say, i'm at an ett— much. yeah. as i say, i'm at an ett system— much. yeah. as i say, i'm at an old system and— much. yeah. as i say, i'm at an old system and we're still untess— old system and we're still unless well— old system and we're still unless well short of £200, you tney,— unless well short of £200, you know, we — unless well short of £200, you know, we still. _ unless well short of £200, you know, we still. no,— unless well short of £200, you know, we still. no, we're near teete— know, we still. no, we're near taste a— know, we still. no, we're near taste a y...— know, we still. no, we're near 10,000 a year, which is in this day— 10,000 a year, which is in this tay ant— 10,000 a year, which is in this tay ant age— 10,000 a year, which is in this tay ant age is— 10,000 a year, which is in this day and age is well anybody tnat-s— day and age is well anybody tnat-s en— day and age is well anybody that's on state— day and age is well anybody that's on state pension, i feel reatty— that's on state pension, i feel reatty serry— that's on state pension, i feel reatty serry tust— that's on state pension, i feel really sorry just on state pensien.— really sorry just on state pensien. —

really sorry just on state pensien. i— really sorry just on state pension. i feel- really sorry just on state pension. ”tit; " pension. i feel sorry for him because they're going to be really, really struggling . really, really struggling. patrick just like the number tnat— patrick just like the number tnat peepte— patrick just like the number that people will be getting in tneir— that people will be getting in tneir state— that people will be getting in their state pension in the epiniens— their state pension in the epiniens vary— their state pension in the opinions vary ,- their state pension in the opinions vary , of course, me and opinions vary, of course, me and you,— opinions vary, of course, me and yeu, stitt— opinions vary, of course, me and you, we're still far— opinions vary, of course, me and you, we're still far ,_ opinions vary, of course, me and you, we're still far , far away you, we're still far, far away tren — you, we're still far, far away tren getting— you, we're still far, far away from getting that state pension. vie-it— from getting that state pension. vve-tt pretatty— from getting that state pension. we'll probably be— from getting that state pension. we'll probably be 69 or 70 by the we'll probably be 69 or 70 by tne tine— we'll probably be 69 or 70 by the time that— we'll probably be 69 or 70 by the time that we— we'll probably be 69 or 70 by the time that we can start earning— the time that we can start earning it.— the time that we can start earning it. it— the time that we can start earning it. it is,- the time that we can start earning it. it is, of course, a tangereus— earning it. it is, of course, a tangereus game— earning it. it is, of course, a dangerous game trying to figure out dangerous game trying to figure eut vnetner— dangerous game trying to figure out whether people are of state pensien— out whether people are of state pensien age,— out whether people are of state pension age, state— out whether people are of state pension age, state pension age. unen— pension age, state pension age. wnen yeue— pension age, state pension age. when you're asking them if tney-t— when you're asking them if they'd comment on this. when you're asking them if tihadi comment on this. when you're asking them if tihad a comment on this. when you're asking them if tihad a lot comment on this. when you're asking them if tihad a lot of comment on this. when you're asking them if tihad a lot of people nt on this. when you're asking them if tihad a lot of people wh0| this. when you're asking them if tihad a lot of people who said. i had a lot of people who said in— i had a lot of people who said i-rnnear-— i had a lot of people who said i-rnnear- tne- i had a lot of people who said i'm -near the state. i'm nowhere near the state pensien— i'm nowhere near the state pensien-viny- i'm nowhere near the state pension why would pension age. why would you assume that— pension age. why would you assume that i'm— pension age. why would you assume that i'm old? i was assume that i'm that old? i was going— assume that i'm that old? i was geing-vvas— assume that i'm that old? i was going was honestly, i was going to i was honestly, i was ateut— going to i was honestly, i was ateut te— going to i was honestly, i was ateut te say,— going to i was honestly, i was about to say, you— going to i was honestly, i was about to say, you had such a teugn— about to say, you had such a teugn tet— about to say, you had such a tough job there— about to say, you had such a tough job there because it is an atsetute— tough job there because it is an absolute nightmare you've absolute nightmare when you've got absolute nightmare when you've get-ast— absolute nightmare when you've get-ask peepte- absolute nightmare when you've got ask people about got to go and ask people about tnat— got to go and ask people about tnat tint— got to go and ask people about that kind-stuff. _ got to go and ask people about that kind stuff. ' r: 90t t0 go and ask people about that kind stuff. 3 got to go and ask people about that kind stuff. r: gist that kind of stuff. and they go, visit— that kind of stuff. and they go, well, know, i'm i'm well, you know, i'm only i'm only 45 anyway. well thank you very will hollis, very much, will hollis, who's been and been out and about and thankfully has been clocked thankfully has not been clocked by looks of by someone who looks of debateable age in the debateable pension age in the mansfield area that was our north—east middle lands. reporter the bbc reporter right. okay. so the bbc has about reacted after it was

labelled as government funded media on twitter. the corporation claims it is independent and pointed out that it is funded by the public through the licence fee. elon musk emailed bbc and musk has emailed the bbc and said are aiming for maximum said we are aiming for maximum transparency and accuracy, linking ownership and source linking to ownership and source of probably makes sense . i of funds probably makes sense. i do media organisations do think media organisations should be self—aware not should be self—aware and not falsely claim the complete absence bias at all. absence of bias at all. organisations have bias , some organisations have bias, some obviously much more than others . i should note that i follow the bbc news on twitter because i think it's amongst the least biased. i'm joined now by the former journalist former bbc journalist robin atkin . robin, thank you very atkin. robin, thank you very much. lot of people say, much. now a lot of people say, well, got a left well, the bbc has got a left wing bias and this appear wing bias and this would appear to indicating that as it's to be indicating that as it's funded the government, which funded by the government, which is a tory government, then maybe it biased towards the it could be biased towards the government. do you of government. what do you make of all you think it all of this? do you think it should be labelled by twitter ? should be labelled by twitter? there's a couple of things here, patrick.— there's a couple of things here, patrick. - afternoon - there's a couple of things here, patrick. afternoon you, patrick. good afternoon to you, by-0f_ patrick. good afternoon to you, ty-ot eeurse- patrick. good afternoon to you, by-of course, it's- by the way. of course, it's a matter— by the way. of course, it's a matter et—

by the way. of course, it's a matter of semantics in a sense . matter of semantics in a sense. i matter of semantics in a sense. i tnint— matter of semantics in a sense. itnint tnere— matter of semantics in a sense. i think there are— matter of semantics in a sense. i think there are some broadcasters- i think there are some broadcasters in the world that you— broadcasters in the world that yeu eeutt— broadcasters in the world that you could correctly label state broadcasters— you could correctly label state broadcasters .— you could correctly label state broadcasters . the— you could correctly label state broadcasters . the bbc clearly broadcasters. the bbc clearly isn-t— broadcasters. the bbc clearly isn-t ene— broadcasters. the bbc clearly isn-t et— broadcasters. the bbc clearly isn't one of those. you know, tnere— isn't one of those. you know, tnere are— isn't one of those. you know, there are there— isn't one of those. you know, there are there are plenty of broadcasting— there are there are plenty of broadcasting outfits in the vett— broadcasting outfits in the world which _ broadcasting outfits in the world which are directly under gevernnent— world which are directly under government control. bbc isn't et— government control. bbc isn't et tnese— government control. bbc isn't one of those, but— government control. bbc isn't one of those, but it is funded by tax— one of those, but it is funded ty tax ant— one of those, but it is funded ty tax ant se— one of those, but it is funded by tax and so and— one of those, but it is funded by tax and so and the government sets— by tax and so and the government sets tne— by tax and so and the government sets tne tevet— by tax and so and the government sets the level of— by tax and so and the government sets the level of that tax . so sets the level of that tax. so in a— sets the level of that tax. so in a sense the— sets the level of that tax. so in a sense the bbc proclaims its intepentent— in a sense the bbc proclaims its intepentent .— in a sense the bbc proclaims its intepentent, i— in a sense the bbc proclaims its independent, i believe it to be intepentent— independent, i believe it to be independent largely of government. indeed and you know, gevernnent— government. indeed and you know, government pressure on the bbc is usuatty— government pressure on the bbc is usually counterproductive . is usually counterproductive. nut— is usually counterproductive. nut tne— is usually counterproductive. but the question of whether it's a it is— but the question of whether it's a it is a— but the question of whether it's a it is a publicly— but the question of whether it's a it is a publicly funded organisation,— a it is a publicly funded organisation, it's a matter of seants— organisation, it's a matter of semantics really.— organisation, it's a matter of semantics really. it doesn't attest— semantics really. it doesn't attest tne— semantics really. it doesn't affect the central question of vnetner— affect the central question of vnetner its— affect the central question of whether it's biased or not. it's gutte— whether it's biased or not. it's quite completely— whether it's biased or not. it's quite completely different tting— quite completely different thing, whether it's independent or thing, whether it's independent er vnetner— thing, whether it's independent or whether it's— thing, whether it's independent or whether it's biased . or whether it's biased. okay. ant— or whether it's biased. okay. ant i— or whether it's biased. okay. ant i suppese— or whether it's biased. okay. and i suppose the implication is when people see things like government funded media, it could be seen to put it in the

same bracket as outlets like russia today, which have russian state media and quite a lot of theirjournalists state media and quite a lot of their journalists do state media and quite a lot of theirjournalists do as state media and quite a lot of their journalists do as well state media and quite a lot of theirjournalists do as well . their journalists do as well. their commentators have on twitter . and i think the optics twitter. and i think the optics of this to someone who is just the casual user of social media or the kind of who wants to peruse twitter, etcetera, it might be that the bbc is a state broadcaster of the same ilk as russia today . yeah, i think russia today. yeah, i think tnat-s— russia today. yeah, i think that's clearly— russia today. yeah, i think that's clearly a— t : yeah, i think that's clearly a confusion which eeutt— that's clearly a confusion which eeutt atse— that's clearly a confusion which could arise, but— that's clearly a confusion which could arise, but it— that's clearly a confusion which could arise, but it would be gutte— could arise, but it would be guite untair— could arise, but it would be quite unfair to— could arise, but it would be quite unfair to lump the bbc in witn— quite unfair to lump the bbc in wit a— quite unfair to lump the bbc in wit a yeu— quite unfair to lump the bbc in with a, you know,— quite unfair to lump the bbc in with a, you know, tass or russia tetay— with a, you know, tass or russia tetay, as— with a, you know, tass or russia tetay, as yeu— with a, you know, tass or russia today, as you mentioned. i mean , today, as you mentioned. i mean g...— today, as you mentioned. i mean ,tnese are— today, as you mentioned. i mean .tnese eut— today, as you mentioned. i mean , these are out and— today, as you mentioned. i mean , these are out and out mouthpieces- , these are out and out mouthpieces for their government and mouthpieces for their government ant unat— mouthpieces for their government ant vnat i— mouthpieces for their government and what i would— mouthpieces for their government and what i would say is that i ten-t— and what i would say is that i ten-t tney— and what i would say is that i don't know whether elon musk is ninsett— don't know whether elon musk is himself sufficiently sensitive him self sufficiently sensitive to himself sufficiently sensitive te tne — himself sufficiently sensitive te tne tint— himself sufficiently sensitive to the kind of— himself sufficiently sensitive to the kind of bias which might be tnere— to the kind of bias which might be more apparent— to the kind of bias which might be more apparent in the bbc to peepte— be more apparent in the bbc to peepte tite— be more apparent in the bbc to peepte tite yeu— be more apparent in the bbc to people like you and me who aetuatty— people like you and me who actually live— people like you and me who actually live in— people like you and me who actually live in britain. i tnint— actually live in britain. i think that— actually live in britain. i think that if— actually live in britain. i think that if elon musk, for

instance— think that if elon musk, for instanee .— think that if elon musk, for instance , had— think that if elon musk, for instance , had been a close instance, had been a close tetiever— instance, had been a close follower of— instance, had been a close follower of the _ instance, had been a close follower of the brexit debate ant— follower of the brexit debate ant nat— follower of the brexit debate and had been— follower of the brexit debate and had been living in britain at tne— and had been living in britain at tne ama— and had been living in britain at the time, he— and had been living in britain at the time, he might take a stigntty— at the time, he might take a slightly different view of the nec— slightly different view of the type .— slightly different view of the bbc , whether— slightly different view of the bbc , whether it's biased or not. bbc, whether it's biased or not. nut— bbc, whether it's biased or not. but i— bbc, whether it's biased or not. but i te— bbc, whether it's biased or not. but i do think— bbc, whether it's biased or not. but i do think that, you know, i mean , and on heart, although mean, and on heart, although i nave— mean, and on heart, although i nave nat— mean, and on heart, although i have had criticism— mean, and on heart, although i have had criticism of the bbc over many years— have had criticism of the bbc over many years in terms of its its tias— over many years in terms of its its tias i— over many years in terms of its its bias, i think— over many years in terms of its its bias, i think it— over many years in terms of its its bias, i think it would be guite— its bias, i think it would be guite vvreng— its bias, i think it would be quite wrong to— its bias, i think it would be quite wrong to call it a state broadcaster— quite wrong to call it a state broadcaster and— quite wrong to call it a state broadcaster and quite wrong aetuatty— broadcaster and quite wrong aetuatty te— broadcaster and quite wrong actually to impugn its independence. one of the things ateut— independence. one of the things ateut tne— independence. one of the things about the bbc— independence. one of the things about the bbc is— independence. one of the things about the bbc is arguably it's too independent— about the bbc is arguably it's too independent . eunice about the bbc is arguably it's too independent. eunice too independent. well, this is it, right? and i think a lot of people. elon musk is potentially managed to unite almost everyone here. you think, you here. and you think, oh, you might this one wrong, might have got this one wrong, elon, actually a lot of elon, because actually a lot of people that it would people would think that it would think it's the depher think that it's even the depher and would say they want and the bbc would say they want to defund because it's to defund it because it's promoting wing bias far promoting a left wing bias far from government on on the from the government on on the taxpayers dime. but look, thank you. get going. i'm you. i've got to get going. i'm afraid we're out of time. i could talk to you all day, chat soon. robin atkin there, former bbc stuff.

bbc journalist. good stuff. ladies, thank ladies, gentlemen, thank you very emails very much. loads of emails coming thick and fast, coming in thick and fast, especially pension especially about the pension age as the state pension as well as the state pension person. i get angry person. i get very angry at people who the pension people who say that the pension isn't enough. i can hardly survive on mine. i'm £60 a week off. worse off now. that's from carol. so there we go. gb views at gbnews.uk. moving on. on the 25th of the good at gbnews.uk. moving on. on the 25th agreementif the good at gbnews.uk. moving on. on the 25th agreement, the good at gbnews.uk. moving on. on the 25th agreement , police iod at gbnews.uk. moving on. on the 25th agreement , police have friday agreement, police have been with petrol bombs been attacked with petrol bombs dunng been attacked with petrol bombs during dissident republican during a dissident republican march in londonderry. i'm patrick on gb news patrick christys on gb news britain's news .

channel good afternoon, everybody. it's very nearly 4:00. i'm patrick christys right here on gb news and i've got a big hour for you. some breaking news out of northern ireland. police officers have been attacked by petrol bombs at a march there. we'll have from m the scene we'll have more from m the scene coming your way very , very coming your way very, very

shortly. but coronation controversy is something we're also going to be touching on as the has revealed . and the route has been revealed. and some intimate details some details, intimate details of the coronation service as well . we're asking whether or well. we're asking whether or not queen camilla should ditch the ivory sceptre, animal rights groups are very, very angry about this. we'll be talking about this. we'll be talking about of that . and in other about all of that. and in other news for us, as well today, sunak attack labour are vowing to double down on the attacks against rishi sunak personal attacks, which, to be honest with you, a lot of them not actually grounded in any truth at all. i'm going to speak to an advertising executive find advertising executive to find out any of this out whether or not any of this stuff really going stick . stuff is really going to stick. and story i never and here's a story i never thought would talk about. thought i would talk about. yeah, cancel the dalai lama. he has apologised after asking a young boy to suck his tongue, so inever young boy to suck his tongue, so i never thought i'd live long enough to see whether or not we'd cancel the dalai lama. but, well, here go. should we well, here we go. should we cancel dalai lama? and one cancel the dalai lama? and one final you as well. final one for you as well. you've the taj mahal. you've got the taj mahal. okay? you've got the taj mahal. okay? you've great wall of you've got the great wall of china, got the pyramids. china, you've got the pyramids. and we've got birkenhead

and now we've got birkenhead park. that's right up there with the it could well the pyramids. it could well become unesco heritage become a unesco world heritage site. find out why very shortly. i'm patrick christys on gb news. stay tuned . get your emails stay tuned. get your emails coming in thick and fast. gb views and .uk uk. what do you make of labour's attacks on rishi sunak? i want to know and whether or not you think that people who want to protest against the coronation should just take a day off and do one gb views or news .uk. but gb views or gb news .uk. but right now it's your headlines with polly . petri. thank you and with polly. petri. thank you and geet— with polly. petri. thank you and good afternoon— with polly. petri. thank you and good afternoon to— with polly. petri. thank you and good afternoon to you. - thank you and good afternoon to you. police in tennern— good afternoon to you. police in northern ireland— good afternoon to you. police in northern ireland are appealing for northern ireland are appealing ter catn— northern ireland are appealing for calm after— northern ireland are appealing for calm after officers came unter— for calm after officers came under attack— for calm after officers came under attack in— for calm after officers came under attack in londonderry . under attack in londonderry. boy.— under attack in londonderry. ney. start— under attack in londonderry. ney, start witn— under attack in londonderry. boy, start with missiles,- boy, start with missiles, including petrol. bombs were tnrevn— including petrol. bombs were tnrevvn at— including petrol. bombs were tnrevvn at a— including petrol. bombs were

thrown at a police— including petrol. bombs were thrown at a police car- g bombs were thrown at a police car during an ittegat— thrown at a police car during an illegal anti—republican march. the illegal anti—republican march. tne terse— illegal anti—republican march. the force has— illegal anti—republican march. the force has been on high alert atten— the force has been on high alert atter tne— the force has been on high alert after the terror— the force has been on high alert after the terror threat was raiset— after the terror threat was raised following warnings of pessitte— raised following warnings of possible attacks targeting enieers— possible attacks targeting officers on _ possible attacks targeting officers on easter monday . the officers on easter monday. the vietenee— officers on easter monday. the violence comes— officers on easter monday. the violence comes ahead of the itine— violence comes ahead of the prime minister's— violence comes ahead of the prime minister's visit. rishi sunat— prime minister's visit. rishi sunat viti— prime minister's visit. rishi sunak will be— prime minister's visit. rishi sunak will be in belfast tomorrow to— sunak will be in belfast tomorrow to host us president joe tomorrow to host us president tee etten— tomorrow to host us president joe biden, marking the 25th annivesary— joe biden, marking the 25th anniversary of— joe biden, marking the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement— anniversary of the good friday agreement .— anniversary of the good friday agreement . and— anniversary of the good friday agreement . and in washington , agreement. and in washington, the agreement. and in washington, tne us— agreement. and in washington, the us president— agreement. and in washington, the us president has said he ptans— the us president has said he ptans te— the us president has said he ptans te ur— the us president has said he plans to run in— the us president has said he plans to run in the 2024 eteetien. — plans to run in the 2024 election. joe— plans to run in the 2024 election. joe biden has been meeting— election. joe biden has been meeting crowds— election. joe biden has been meeting crowds with the first taty— meeting crowds with the first taty at— meeting crowds with the first taty at tne — meeting crowds with the first lady at the annual white house taster— lady at the annual white house taster egg— lady at the annual white house taster tgg itett— lady at the annual white house easter egg roll .— lady at the annual white house easter egg roll . he's voiced his easter egg roll. he's voiced his intentien— easter egg roll. he's voiced his intentien te— easter egg roll. he's voiced his intention to run— easter egg roll. he's voiced his intention to run as— easter egg roll. he's voiced his intention to run as the democrat eantitate— intention to run as the democrat candidate, but— intention to run as the democrat candidate, but is— intention to run as the democrat candidate, but is yet to make a ternat— candidate, but is yet to make a formal announcement. both biden and formal announcement. both biden ant tis— formal announcement. both biden ant nis vise— formal announcement. both biden and his vice president, kamala harris— and his vice president, kamala narris nave— and his vice president, kamala harris, have said— and his vice president, kamala harris, have said they'll run tegetner— harris, have said they'll run tegetner ter— harris, have said they'll run together for and— harris, have said they'll run together for and staying in the unitet— together for and staying in the united states. _ together for and staying in the united states. five people have teen— united states. five people have teen tittet— united states. five people have been killed in— united states. five people have been killed in a— united states. five people have been killed in a shooting in kentucky— been killed in a shooting in kentucky shortly after confirming— kentucky shortly after confirming the incident in louisville. _ confirming the incident in louisville. police said the attacker— louisville. police said the attacker had— louisville. police said the attacker had been neutralised ant— attacker had been neutralised ant ne— attacker had been neutralised ant ne tenger— attacker had been neutralised and no longer posed a threat to the and no longer posed a threat to tne puttie. — and no longer posed a threat to the public. the— and no longer posed a threat to the public. the fbi—

and no longer posed a threat to the public. the fbi is also on tne— the public. the fbi is also on tne seee— the public. the fbi is also on tne .— the public. the fbi is also on the scene , which— the public. the fbi is also on the scene , which is surrounded the scene, which is surrounded by a— the scene, which is surrounded ty a neavy— the scene, which is surrounded by a heavy cordon— the scene, which is surrounded by a heavy cordon here in the uk— by a heavy cordon here in the ut. uns— by a heavy cordon here in the uk. nhs england— by a heavy cordon here in the uk. nhs england says emergency witt— uk. nhs england says emergency vitt te— uk. nhs england says emergency care will be prioritised during the care will be prioritised during tne iunier— care will be prioritised during the junior doctors strike. the reun— the junior doctors strike. the teur tay— the junior doctors strike. the four day walkout, which begins tomorrow morning, is being teseritet— tomorrow morning, is being teseritet as— tomorrow morning, is being described as the most disruptive in intustriat— described as the most disruptive in industrial action— described as the most disruptive in industrial action in nhs nistery.— in industrial action in nhs nistery. ine— in industrial action in nhs history. the health body warns the history. the health body warns tne tispute— history. the health body warns the dispute over— history. the health body warns the dispute over pay will mean appeintnent— the dispute over pay will mean appointment and— the dispute over pay will mean appointment and operations will be eaneettet— appointment and operations will be cancelled and— appointment and operations will be cancelled and there'll be immense pressure on both staff ant— immense pressure on both staff ant serviees— immense pressure on both staff ant serviees .— immense pressure on both staff and services . let's— immense pressure on both staff and services . let's just take and services. let's just take you— and services. let's just take yeu taet— and services. let's just take yeu taet te— and services. let's just take you back to the— and services. let's just take you back to the story about that sneeting— you back to the story about that sneeting tnat— you back to the story about that shooting that we— you back to the story about that shooting that we had for you a tev— shooting that we had for you a tev eents— shooting that we had for you a few moments ago— shooting that we had for you a few moments ago concerning the tess— few moments ago concerning the tess et— few moments ago concerning the tess et tite— few moments ago concerning the tess et tie in— few moments ago concerning the loss of life in kentucky. five peepte— loss of life in kentucky. five peepte tittet— loss of life in kentucky. five people killed in— loss of life in kentucky. five people killed in a shooting tnere— people killed in a shooting tnere. vie— people killed in a shooting there. we told— people killed in a shooting there. we told you that shortly arter— there. we told you that shortly after confirming _ there. we told you that shortly after confirming the incident, petiee— after confirming the incident, petiee sait— after confirming the incident, police said the— after confirming the incident, police said the attacker had teen— police said the attacker had been neutralised. we understand tnere— been neutralised. we understand tnere is— been neutralised. we understand tnere is a— been neutralised. we understand there is a news— been neutralised. we understand there is a news conference that is taking— there is a news conference that is taking ptaee— there is a news conference that is taking place at— there is a news conference that is taking place at the moment in teuisvitte— is taking place at the moment in louisville, kentucky. let's see if louisville, kentucky. let's see it we— louisville, kentucky. let's see it we ean— louisville, kentucky. let's see if we can show— louisville, kentucky. let's see if we can show you the live

pietures— if we can show you the live pietures et— if we can show you the live pictures of that. _ if we can show you the live pictures of that. now and we unterstant— pictures of that. now and we understand the— pictures of that. now and we understand the police department are understand the police department ateut— understand the police department ateut te— understand the police department are about to talk.— understand the police department are about to talk. let's listen in. — are about to talk. let's listen in. wrat— are about to talk. let's listen in. what that— are about to talk. let's listen in. what that connection was to the business. it appears he was a previous employee . some a previous employee. some difficulty with sound. they're coming to us from _ difficulty with sound. they're coming to us from that- r: ”wit r: they're coming to us from that shooting in tentuety— coming to us from that shooting in tentuety. vie— coming to us from that shooting in kentucky. we understand the eeverner anty— in kentucky. we understand the governor andy beshear, has tvveetet— governor andy beshear, has tveetet te— governor andy beshear, has tweeted to say— governor andy beshear, has tweeted to say that he is travetting— tweeted to say that he is travelling to _ tweeted to say that he is travelling to the scene of the sneeting— travelling to the scene of the sneeting ant— travelling to the scene of the shooting and he's urging all peepte— shooting and he's urging all peepte te— shooting and he's urging all peepte te pray— shooting and he's urging all people to pray for the families inpaetet— people to pray for the families inpaetet ant— people to pray for the families impacted and for— people to pray for the families impacted and for the city of teuisvitte— impacted and for the city of teuisvitte .— impacted and for the city of louisville . we're also hearing louisville. we're also hearing the louisville. we're also hearing tne mayer— louisville. we're also hearing tne mayer et— louisville. we're also hearing the mayor of louisville, mayor eraig— the mayor of louisville, mayor craig greenberg_ the mayor of louisville, mayor craig greenberg ,_ the mayor of louisville, mayor craig greenberg , has shared the craig greenberg, has shared the tatest— craig greenberg, has shared the tatest petiee— craig greenberg, has shared the latest police updates about the sneeting,— latest police updates about the shooting, which _ latest police updates about the shooting, which he has commented are shooting, which he has commented tragie. — shooting, which he has commented tragie. ine— shooting, which he has commented are tragic. the police, who, as we sait— are tragic. the police, who, as we said earlier,— are tragic. the police, who, as we said earlier, have been ieinet— we said earlier, have been teinet ty— we said earlier, have been teinet ty tne— we said earlier, have been joined by the fbi, confirmed the sneeting— joined by the fbi, confirmed the shooting happened at the old nana— shooting happened at the old nana national— shooting happened at the old nana national bank. that's in tentuety— nana national bank. that's in tentuety .— nana national bank. that's in kentucky , largest city. no kentucky, largest city. no uptate— kentucky, largest city. no uptate ter— kentucky, largest city. no update for you as yet. and as you— update for you as yet. and as yeu ean— update for you as yet. and as you can see, we're- update for you as yet. and as you can see, we're having some tittieutty— you can see, we're having some difficulty with— you can see, we're having some difficulty with the _ you can see, we're having some difficulty with the sound coming to difficulty with the sound coming te us— difficulty with the sound coming te us tren — difficulty with the sound coming to us from the— difficulty with the sound coming to us from the united states, tut— to us from the united states, tut ne— to us from the united states, tut ne uptate— to us from the united states, but no update yet on the six

int-uret— but no update yet on the six inturet peepte— but no update yet on the six injured people who have been taken— injured people who have been taken te— injured people who have been taken te tne— injured people who have been taken to the university of teuisvitte — taken to the university of louisville hospital. we do know tnat— louisville hospital. we do know tnat six— louisville hospital. we do know tnat six peepte— louisville hospital. we do know that six people have been killed atreaty— that six people have been killed atreaty ant— that six people have been killed already and six— that six people have been killed already and six more are in nespitat— already and six more are in hospital. let's— already and six more are in hospital. let's go back to see if hospital. let's go back to see it we— hospital. let's go back to see it we ean— hospital. let's go back to see if we can hear— hospital. let's go back to see if we can hear now what the petiee— if we can hear now what the petiee in— if we can hear now what the police in kentucky have to say . police in kentucky have to say. ine— police in kentucky have to say. its energeney— police in kentucky have to say. the emergency call— police in kentucky have to say. the emergency call .— police in kentucky have to say. the emergency call . and- police in kentucky have to say. the emergency call . and as you the emergency call. and as you just heard from deputy chief humphrey, without a doubt , their humphrey, without a doubt, their actions saved lives as there will be a lot more information we are able to provide as the day goes on in. but i want everyone in this city to know how that notwithstanding tragedies like today, when multiple people are killed by gun violence . notwithstanding gun violence. notwithstanding tragedies , when individuals are tragedies, when individuals are killed by gun violence , our killed by gun violence, our community will continue to come together where we will find ways

together where we will find ways to love and support one another and the families and friends who have been directly impacted by these acts of gun violence . and these acts of gun violence. and we will come together as a community to work to prevent these horrific acts of gun violence from continuing here and around the state. i want to thank again everyone at med from the louisville fire department, from ems , from the department, from ems, from the state agencies and now federal agencies that are also involved . we are a safer community. we are a stronger community thanks to the work of our law enforcement . and again , my enforcement. and again, my prayers— enforcement. and again, my prayers ge— enforcement. and again, my prayers ge eut— enforcement. and again, my prayers go out to— enforcement. and again, my prayers go out to the- cit»; and again, my prayers go out to the families vne— prayers go out to the families vvne nave— prayers go out to the families who have lost— prayers go out to the families who have lost loved ones as tetay— who have lost loved ones as tetay ny— who have lost loved ones as tetay my prayers— who have lost loved ones as today my prayers go out to the enieers— today my prayers go out to the ettieers vvne — today my prayers go out to the officers who are— today my prayers go out to the officers who are at— today my prayers go out to the officers who are at the hospital rignt— officers who are at the hospital rignt nev— officers who are at the hospital rignt . — officers who are at the hospital right now . and— officers who are at the hospital right now . and my-

officers who are at the hospital right now . r: officers who are at the hospital right now . ' r: right now. and my thanks for all of them through with together, we will get through this together . finally , we we will get through this together. finally , we i want to together. finally, we i want to intretuee— together. finally, we i want to introduce governor— 3 finally, we i want to introduce governor beshear, who has introduce governor beshear, who nas ieinet— introduce governor beshear, who nas ieinet us— introduce governor beshear, who has joined us and— introduce governor beshear, who has joined us and who is assisting— has joined us and who is assisting with— has joined us and who is assisting with the efforts. neverner . i— assisting with the efforts. governor . i want- assisting with the efforts. governor . i want to- assisting with the efforts. governor. i want to start by thanking the brave heroes in med and our other responding organisations. med made it to this scene in a matter of minutes after receiving the call, and there is no doubt in my mind that their efforts saved lives and they put their own on the line and we have at least one officer in surgery right now thatis one officer in surgery right now that is there because he took those actions to try to protect the people of louisville . i want the people of louisville. i want to thank louisville— the people of louisville. i want to thank louisville fire,- to thank louisville fire, louisville— to thank louisville fire, louisville ,_ to thank louisville fire, louisville , metro ems and louisville, metro ems and energeney— louisville, metro ems and emergency management and the teuisvitte— emergency management and the louisville sheriff's office for tne— louisville sheriff's office for the immediate _ louisville sheriff's office for the immediate response . they've the immediate response. they've teen— the immediate response. they've

now been joined— the immediate response. they've now been joined by the fbi, atf, nenetant— now been joined by the fbi, atf, homeland security— now been joined by the fbi, atf, homeland security . kentucky homeland security. kentucky state— homeland security. kentucky state police _ homeland security. kentucky state police have requested in the louisville— state police have requested in the louisville office of safe ant— the louisville office of safe ant neattny— the louisville office of safe and healthy neighbourhoods in this and healthy neighbourhoods in tnis epnse— and healthy neighbourhoods in tnis respse .— and healthy neighbourhoods in this response . this is awful . this response. this is awful. i nave— this response. this is awful. i nave a— this response. this is awful. i nave a very— this response. this is awful. i have a very close— this response. this is awful. i have a very close friend that titn-t— have a very close friend that titn-t mate— have a very close friend that didn't make it— have a very close friend that didn't make it today. and i have anetner— didn't make it today. and i have another close— didn't make it today. and i have another close friend who didn't etner— another close friend who didn't gag, ant— another close friend who didn't either, and one— another close friend who didn't either, and one who's at the nespitat— either, and one who's at the hospital that— either, and one who's at the hospital that i— either, and one who's at the hospital that i hope is going to mate— hospital that i hope is going to mate it— hospital that i hope is going to make it through— hospital that i hope is going to make it through .— hospital that i hope is going to make it through . so when we talk make it through. so when we talk ateut— make it through. so when we talk ateut praying— make it through. so when we talk ateut praying .— make it through. so when we talk ateut praying , i— make it through. so when we talk about praying , i hope people about praying, i hope people witt— about praying, i hope people viii. ter— about praying, i hope people will. for those— about praying, i hope people will. for those that we are neping— will. for those that we are neping ean— will. for those that we are hoping can make it through the surenesg— hoping can make it through the surgeries that— hoping can make it through the surgeries that they're going tnreugn. — surgeries that they're going tnreugn. ant— surgeries that they're going through. and then we've got to do through. and then we've got to te unat— through. and then we've got to te vnat ve— through. and then we've got to do what we have— through. and then we've got to do what we have done these last tnree— do what we have done these last tnree years — do what we have done these last three years. after— do what we have done these last three years. after everything, get— three years. after everything, get te — three years. after everything, we've got to wrap our arms areunt— we've got to wrap our arms areunt tnese— we've got to wrap our arms around these families and to everytety— around these families and to everytety vvne — around these families and to everybody who needs it. don't be atrait— everybody who needs it. don't be atrait te— everybody who needs it. don't be atrait te get— everybody who needs it. don't be afraid to get some— everybody who needs it. don't be afraid to get some help if our teties— afraid to get some help if our teties ant— afraid to get some help if our bodies and our— afraid to get some help if our bodies and our minds are not meant— bodies and our minds are not meant te— bodies and our minds are not meant te ge— bodies and our minds are not meant to go through these types of meant to go through these types et trageties— meant to go through these types et trageties .— meant to go through these types of tragedies . and— meant to go through these types of tragedies . and so i hope that of tragedies. and so i hope that all of tragedies. and so i hope that at tne— of tragedies. and so i hope that at tne trave— of tragedies. and so i hope that

all the brave officers that steppet— all the brave officers that steppet inte— all the brave officers that stepped into the line of fire tnat— stepped into the line of fire tnat are— stepped into the line of fire that are worried— stepped into the line of fire that are worried about one of tneir— that are worried about one of tneir tetiev— that are worried about one of their fellow officers will reach out their fellow officers will reach eut ter— their fellow officers will reach eut ter netp — their fellow officers will reach out for help when they need it. i out for help when they need it. i nepe— out for help when they need it. i nepe every— out for help when they need it. i nepe every ene— out for help when they need it. i hope every one of those bank enpteyees— i hope every one of those bank enpteyees ant— i hope every one of those bank employees and folks in that putting— employees and folks in that building, one— employees and folks in that building, one that i know well ant— building, one that i know well ant ny— building, one that i know well ant nny ae— building, one that i know well and my ag campaign was out of tnat— and my ag campaign was out of tnat tuitting— and my ag campaign was out of tnat tuitting .— and my ag campaign was out of that building . i— and my ag campaign was out of that building . i know virtually that building. i know virtually eveenery— that building. i know virtually eveenery in— that building. i know virtually eveenery in it— that building. i know virtually everyone in it .— that building. i know virtually everyone in it . that's my that building. i know virtually everyone in it. that's my bank. i everyone in it. that's my bank. i nepe— everyone in it. that's my bank. i nepe tnat— everyone in it. that's my bank. i hope that they— everyone in it. that's my bank. i hope that they will all reach out i hope that they will all reach eut ant— i hope that they will all reach eut ant get— i hope that they will all reach out and get the— i hope that they will all reach out and get the help that they neet. — out and get the help that they neet. tnere— out and get the help that they need. there are— out and get the help that they need. there are a— out and get the help that they need. there are a lot of people tnat— need. there are a lot of people tnat ae— need. there are a lot of people that are hurting— need. there are a lot of people that are hurting today, and if we nave— that are hurting today, and if we nave a— that are hurting today, and if we have a place— that are hurting today, and if we have a place to focus our energy,— we have a place to focus our energy, i— we have a place to focus our energy, i nepe— we have a place to focus our energy, i nepe it— we have a place to focus our energy, i hope it is to surround tnen— energy, i hope it is to surround tnen witn— energy, i hope it is to surround them with the— energy, i hope it is to surround them with the love and the eepassien— them with the love and the compassion that we have been so geet— compassion that we have been so geet at— compassion that we have been so geet at snevving— compassion that we have been so good at showing one another. i want— good at showing one another. i want peepte— good at showing one another. i want peepte te— good at showing one another. i want people to know that while tetay— want people to know that while tetay is— want people to know that while tetay is a— want people to know that while today is a horrific— want people to know that while today is a horrific act, i do tetieve— today is a horrific act, i do believe that— today is a horrific act, i do believe that this is a safe eennunity— believe that this is a safe community with officers doing tneir— community with officers doing tneir very— community with officers doing their very best— community with officers doing their very best each and every tay. — their very best each and every tay. ant— their very best each and every day. and that's— their very best each and every day. and that's what we saw nene— day. and that's what we saw nere. ves— day. and that's what we saw nere. yes i— day. and that's what we saw here. yes, i know— day. and that's what we saw here. yes, i know that there are steps— here. yes, i know that there are steps tnat— here. yes, i know that there are steps tnat tne— here. yes, i know that there are steps that the police department is taking— steps that the police department is taking te— steps that the police department is tating te te— steps that the police department is taking to do things better arter— is taking to do things better atter a— is taking to do things better after a recent— is taking to do things better after a recent report. but we eertainty— after a recent report. but we eenainty sa— after a recent report. but we certainly saw, i— after a recent report. but we certainly saw, i think, the very test— certainly saw, i think, the very test tren — certainly saw, i think, the very best from them— certainly saw, i think, the very best from them today. and i want

to best from them today. and i want te tnant— best from them today. and i want te tnant tnen— best from them today. and i want to thank them and— best from them today. and i want to thank them and all our other tav— to thank them and all our other law enforcement— to thank them and all our other law enforcement officers for respenting— law enforcement officers for responding and— law enforcement officers for responding and doing their best to responding and doing their best te try— responding and doing their best te try te— responding and doing their best te try te save— responding and doing their best to try to save some of my trients— to try to save some of my friends and— to try to save some of my friends and many others . thank friends and many others. thank you friends and many others. thank yeu .— friends and many others. thank yeu . att— friends and many others. thank yeu . att tnat-s— friends and many others. thank you . all that's the kentucky you. all that's the kentucky governor sounding perhaps pretietatty— governor sounding perhaps predictably, very emotional tettevving— predictably, very emotional following the— predictably, very emotional following the deaths of five peepte— following the deaths of five peepte ant — following the deaths of five people and the— following the deaths of five people and the wounding of at teast— people and the wounding of at teast six— people and the wounding of at teast six in— people and the wounding of at least six in a— people and the wounding of at least six in a shooting at a tant— least six in a shooting at a tank in— least six in a shooting at a tank in tne— least six in a shooting at a bank in the american city of teuisvitte. — bank in the american city of louisville. he's— bank in the american city of louisville. ti; c. gin: bank in the american city of louisville. t: c. g: bank in the american city of louisville. c. gt:r: louisville. he's urged people to pray for the families impacted and for the city of louisville, saying a lot of people are hurting today. saying a lot of people are hurting today . we understand hurting today. we understand just before that, kentucky police were speaking saying the community will come together and the mayor there, mayor craig greenberg, who's the mayor of louisville , said no doubt law louisville, said no doubt law enforcement officers save lives . and indeed, you heard the governor there, andy beshear, saying one police officer is currently in surgery, having gone forward to protect the

lives of others . and he said our lives of others. and he said our prayers are, of course , with prayers are, of course, with those affected today. we understand , and that the understand, and that the shooter, to use the american parlance, has been neutralised , parlance, has been neutralised, is confirmed dead at the scene. witnesses have been telling american media he opened fire in the banks conference room. and there's certainly some suggestion going around on social media that he is a previous employee that not yet confirmed . so fbi agents sent to confirmed. so fbi agents sent to the scene to work alongside local police and five people killed, six wounded at a shooting at a bank in the us city of louisville. we'll bring you more on that on gb news as we have it now more from . patrick thank patrick- i thank you, tatriet— . thank you, polly. patrick thank you, polly. welcome back, . thank you, polly. welcome back, everytety— - thank you, polly. welcome back, everytety-ve— - thank you, polly. welcome back, everytety-ve-in- everybody. now we start in tennern— everybody. now we start in northern ireland and police have

come under attack— northern ireland and police have come under attack during an ittegat— come under attack during an illegal republican illegal dissident republican naren— illegal dissident republican march londonderry. number march in londonderry. a number of march in londonderry. a number et nissites— march in londonderry. a number of missiles, including petrol tents— of missiles, including petrol tents .— of missiles, including petrol bombs , were— of missiles, including petrol bombs , were thrown at a land bombs, were thrown at a land tevet— bombs, were thrown at a land itever .— bombs, were thrown at a land itever . ine— bombs, were thrown at a land rover . the violence has come on rover. the violence has come on the rover. the violence has come on tne zetn— rover. the violence has come on the 25th anniversary of the good tritay— the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement,— the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement, which brought the 25th anniversary of the good fritend agreement, which brought the 25th anniversary of the good fritend bgreemtroubles:h brought the 25th anniversary of the good fritend bgreemtroubles in brought an end to the troubles in tennern— an end to the troubles in northern ireland. and just if you— northern ireland. and just if yeu-vatening— northern ireland. and just if you watching on tv or you are watching us on tv or entine— you are watching us on tv or entine-tne— you are watching us on tv or online the minute, you will online at the minute, you will be online at the minute, you will te-teetage— online at the minute, you will be -footage .this- online at the minute, you will be footage this as the be seeing footage of this as the naren— be seeing footage of this as the maren-ptaee. — be seeing footage of this as the march place. projectiles march taking place. projectiles etearty— march taking place. projectiles etearty see— march taking place. projectiles clearly some fireworks well clearly some fireworks as well as petret— clearly some fireworks as well as petrol bombs— clearly some fireworks as well as petrol bombs being lobbed at unat— as petrol bombs being lobbed at vnat appears— as petrol bombs being lobbed at vnat appears te— as petrol bombs being lobbed at what appears to be a police van. in— what appears to be a police van. in gang— what appears to be a police van. in geing te— what appears to be a police van. in geing te ge— what appears to be a police van. i'm going to go live now to gb tens— i'm going to go live now to gb news, northern— i'm going to go live now to gb news, northern ireland. reporter oeugie— news, northern ireland. reporter peugie beattie— news, northern ireland. reporter dougie beattie and draghi. it's a—tittte- dougie beattie and draghi. it'si a—tittte periet dougie beattie and draghi. it'si altime_little period dougie beattie and draghi. it's a time this little period dougie beattie and draghi. it's a time this for little period dougie beattie and draghi. it's a time this for northern period of time this for northern iretant— of time this for northern ireland, the— of time this for northern ireland, the 25th anniversary, of ireland, the 25th anniversary, et—geet- ireland, the 25th anniversary, et—geet tritayi of course, of the good friday agreenent. — of course, of the good friday agreement. they're ready of course, of the good friday agrthe ent. they're ready of course, of the good friday agrthe president're ready of course, of the good friday agrthe president of ready of course, of the good friday agrthe president of the ready of course, of the good friday agrthe president of the united dy for the president of the united states— for the president of the united states te— for the president of the united states to visit— for the president of the united states to visit and now this as vett— states to visit and now this as wet. veu— states to visit and now this as well. you were— states to visit and now this as well. you were to— states to visit and now this as well. you were to talking me eatier— well. you were to talking me eartier en— well. you were to talking me earlier on and— well. you were to talking me earlier on and you saying earlier on and you were saying tnat— earlier on and you were saying. tnat—nuen that we shouldn't worry too much ateut— that we shouldn't worry too much ateut tne — that we shouldn't worry too much ateut tne taet— that we shouldn't worry too much about the fact that— that we shouldn't worry too much about the fact that police have aetuatty— about the fact that police have actually - petrol - about the fact that police have actually petrol bombed at actually been petrol bombed at this-incident.- actually been petrol bombed at this-incident. your. this particular incident. your tatest— this particular incident. your tatest-wen- this particular incident. your latest-well al, - this particular incident. your latest-well al, it. this particular incident. your latest well al, it does latest on this? well al, it does sound— latest on this? well al, it does sound ridiculous— latest on this? well al, it does sound ridiculous ,_ latest on this? well al, it does sound ridiculous , but the psni sound ridiculous, but the psni are an absolutely— sound ridiculous, but the psni are an absolutely fabulous force— are an absolutely fabulous force — are an absolutely fabulous force they— are an absolutely fabulous force. they were- are an absolutely fabulous force. 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. in fact, they teach their tactics all around the world. and what they are doing at this moment is monitoring the moment in time is monitoring the situation . and that sounds situation. and that sounds horrific that they're sitting in a land rover, a snatch land rover that is very heavily armoured and it is on fire with petrol bombs hitting it. i've seen times. what seen it many, many times. what they doing there is picking they are doing there is picking out faces and later on in the week you will find many, many arrests in these areas. in fact, all through derry londonderry, people will be walking in the streets and all of a sudden arrested because the software that police forces have , that these police forces have, even when their faces are masked , they can very much have a good identification. and who it is thatis identification. and who it is that is throwing those bricks and bottles at them , although and bottles at them, although this can turn nasty very, very quick . and really the time to quick. and really the time to watch here, patrick will be in and around from about 8:00 onwards because when darkness falls, those tactics at the psni are using to sit off and not go in. so much can all of a sudden be disturbed when ballistics can

actually come onto the street. and at that time when you're when you do your training in this, you will see when the police get inside the vehicles, they know that there's a ballistics threat and they get away from those vehicles. as far as can. so those officers in as you can. so those officers in there are in for a night of there are are in for a night of it. i would imagine we will know at about 8:00 this evening whether areas are calming whether these areas are calming down now, this was one down or not. now, this was one of two parades were marked of two parades that were marked as contentious and illegal parades . there was as contentious and illegal parades. there was a as contentious and illegal parades . there was a lot of parades. there was a lot of paramilitary regalia and so forth. there in this parade. it takes part every it takes place every year and most years. it is contentious . and in most years, contentious. and in most years, violence comes of it. in fact, back a few years ago, lyra mckee lost her life there. the young journalist, when she was standing beside one of these land rovers that came under gunfire in the darkness. and thatis gunfire in the darkness. and that is the problem here. patrick. so as as yet, these pictures may look spectacular or they may look horrifying. but i

think we hold off and see what happensin think we hold off and see what happens in around eight, 9:00 onwards to see is there really going to be a challenge to these officers ? absolutely. dougie, officers? absolutely. dougie, thank— officers? absolutely. dougie, thank you — officers? absolutely. dougie, mankyou very,— cc“ absolutely. dougie, thank you very, very much. dougie— thank you very, very much. dougie beattie— thank you very, very much. dougie beattie there gb news is northern— dougie beattie there gb news is northern ireland.— dougie beattie there gb news is northern ireland. reporter watch.— northern ireland. reporter watch-space- northern ireland. reporter watch.-space is- northern ireland. reporter watch. space is very much watch. this space is very much the—draghi- watch. this space is very much the—draw asl watch. this space is very muchi the—draghi as we the message from draghi as we all how— the message from draghi as we all how our— the message from draghi as we all hold our breath and fingers oossoo— all hold our breath and fingers crossed-isn't— all hold our breath and fingers crossed - isn't an - crossed there isn't an escalation— crossed there isn't an escalation and escalation of tensions and violence— escalation of tensions and violence-but- escalation of tensions and- violence-but-bring violence there, but we'll bring you— violence there, but we'll bring you-loses. — violence there, but we'll bring you-loses. .— violence there, but we'll bring you latest. if indeed there you the latest. if indeed there is-oo— you the latest. if indeed there is-to .controversy- is now to the controversy surrounding— is now to the controversy surrounding decision to use surrounding the decision to use a surrounding the decision to use o-mooo— surrounding the decision to use o-mooo from - surrounding the decision to use a-made from ivory- surrounding the decision to use a made from ivory in the a sceptre made from ivory in the oononon— a sceptre made from ivory in the oononon on— a sceptre made from ivory in the coronation gb news viewers can sno— coronation gb news viewers can one sooono— coronation gb news viewers can see the sceptre in— coronation gb news viewers can see the sceptre in question nonn— see the sceptre in question ngnn no— see the sceptre in question ngnn .— see the sceptre in question ngnn . n— see the sceptre in question right now . it will be held by right now. it will be held by one— right now. it will be held by one conson— right now. it will be held by the queen consort during the ceremony, soon— the queen consort during the ceremony, soon to be queen, of nnen— ceremony, soon to be queen, of course, there had— ceremony, soon to be queen, of course, there had been speculation— course, there had been speculation that would not speculation that it would not be used,— speculation that it would not be moo—onen- speculation that it would not be used,_given that- used, particularly given that ninse— used, particularly given that prince william— used, particularly given that prince william is involved in a campaign— prince william is involved in a campaign-soon— prince william is involved in a campaign stop illegal campaign to stop the illegal nonnonng— campaign to stop the illegal trafficking of— campaign to stop the illegal trafficking of animal parts such as elephant— trafficking of animal parts such as elephant ivory— trafficking of animal parts such as elephant ivory through his organisation— as elephant ivory through his organisation united for moms.— organisation united for wildlife. king charles himself is also— wildlife. king charles himself is also involved— wildlife. king charles himself is also involved in the prevention— is also involved in the prevention of- is also involved in the prevention of use of ivory, nosnno— prevention of use of ivory, osspno sno— prevention of use of ivory, despite the fact that his wife onu— despite the fact that his wife will no — despite the fact that his wife will be clutching onto a piece of will be clutching onto a piece on non.— will be clutching onto a piece of ivory- joining— will be clutching onto a piece of ivory. joining the coronation winn— of ivory. joining the coronation nnn no— of ivory. joining the coronation with me-studio-isl with me in the studio now is someone-proved- with me in the studio now is someone proved to be fan

someone who proved to be a fan novonnno— someone who proved to be a fan favourite .time_ someone who proved to be a fan favourite .time -we- someone who proved to be a fan favourite time we were favourite last time when we were talking — favourite last time when we were tasking-oowo- favourite last time when we were talking about tomatoes talking bizarrely about tomatoes that talking bizarrely about tomatoes snot-soon— that don't scream is vegan educator— that don't scream is vegan educator winters also educator is ed winters also known— educator is ed winters also known by— educator is ed winters also known by some— educator is ed winters also known by some as earthling? ed, non— known by some as earthling? ed, non-yon?— known by some as earthling? ed, non-yonn-nou. - how are you? i'm very well. nonco— how are you? i'm very well. nonion n-s— how are you? i'm very well. patrick, it's good- how are you? i'm very well. patrick, it's good to see you again. — patrick, it's good to see you again. no— patrick, it's good to see you again. no you— patrick, it's good to see you again. do you care about whether or again. do you care about whether on—conmo— again. do you care about whether or_camilla holds- or not queen camilla holds a bit of ivory?— or not queen camilla holds a bit of ivory? .— or not queen camilla holds a bit of ivory? i think— or not queen camilla holds a bit of ivory? i think it's— or not queen camilla holds a bit of ivory? i think it's about the pnnsnso— of ivory? i think it's about the pnnonpno sne-s— of ivory? i think it's about the principle she's glamorising sononnng— something which in this day and age something which in this day and ago—no— something which in this day and age be glamorising age we shouldn't be glamorising anymore-think— age we shouldn't be glamorising anymore. think the anymore. and i think the majority— anymore. and i think the noon on— anymore. and i think the majority of people in britain are majority of people in britain against— majority of people in britain are against the— majority of people in britain are against the use ivory are against the use of ivory so— are against the use of ivory now. solspeaks- are against the use of ivory now. so speaks suppose, now. so it speaks to, i suppose, ons— this out—of—touchness that sonnonnnos— this out—of—touchness that sometimes labelled against sometimes is labelled against the sometimes is labelled against one-nanny. — sometimes is labelled against the -family. .think. the royal family. so i think i also— the royal family. so i think i also anno— the royal family. so i think i also think it— the royal family. so i think i also think it speaks to a bigger question— also think it speaks to a bigger question, which— also think it speaks to a bigger question, which is— also think it speaks to a bigger question, which is tradition and non— question, which is tradition and non-annals- question, which is tradition and how animals within this how we view animals within this moa— idea of upholding tradition. won,— idea of upholding tradition. wan—on- idea of upholding tradition.i well,_of tradition well, is that part of tradition tnan— well, is that part of tradition that-argument- well, is that part of tradition that argument for using this that the argument for using this will that the argument for using this nan-a— that the argument for using this will-a tradition- that the argument for using this will a tradition that will be this is a tradition that nanos— will be this is a tradition that dates bask. — will be this is a tradition that dates back. i've— will be this is a tradition that dates back. i've got the dated the dates back. i've got the dated ans—nano- dates back. i've got the dated the—made and. dates back. i've got the dated. the—made and then the 1685. it was made and then it the 1685. it was made and then n was— the 1685. it was made and then an assa— the 1685. it was made and then it was used after— the 1685. it was made and then it was used after that . so it was used after that. so people— it was used after that. so people nau— it was used after that. so people will say, look, this is just— people will say, look, this is just tradition,— people will say, look, this is just tradition, this elephant nas— just tradition, this elephant nas been— just tradition, this elephant has been dead— just tradition, this elephant has been dead a very long time. ana— has been dead a very long time. one possibly— has been dead a very long time. and possibly doesn't care about the and possibly doesn't care about nne nnoae— and possibly doesn't care about the whole thing— and possibly doesn't care about the whole thing anymore . why not the whole thing anymore. why not just the whole thing anymore. why not ense-ne— the whole thing anymore. why not just-mltooks— the whole thing anymore. why not just-it?.looks nice.- the whole thing anymore. why not just it? 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and also, i guess the question on—nas— and also, i guess the question on—nas aways- and also, i guess the question of_was always onej of tradition. it was always one of tradition. it was always one on—sonennng- of tradition. it was always one. of_something ethical of morality is something ethical and—neeanse- of morality is something ethical and—because it's. and moral simply because it's naaanonan— and moral simply because it's traditional.imean,- and moral simply because it's traditional. mean, i know we traditional. i mean, i know we nae— traditional. i mean, i know we nae a— traditional. i mean, i know we nae a ton— traditional. i mean, i know we naa a ton of— traditional. i mean, i know we had a lot of back— traditional. i mean, i know we had a lot of back and forth last nne- — had a lot of back and forth last nne- na— had a lot of back and forth last nne- no love— had a lot of back and forth last time. i'd love to— had a lot of back and forth last time. i'd love to maybe pose tnan— time. i'd love to maybe pose that question— time. i'd love to maybe pose that question to— time. i'd love to maybe pose that question to you then. i mean, obviously— that question to you then. i mean, obviously it is traditional,- mean, obviously it is traditional, but that mean, obviously it is- traditional, but-that in traditional, but does that in ana— traditional, but does that in analnsen— traditional, but does that in and-itself make- traditional, but does that in and itself make it ethical? and of itself make it ethical? i ense— and of itself make it ethical? i just eon-n— and of itself make it ethical? i just don't know— and of itself make it ethical? i just don't know why people snonaa— just don't know why people. should—about should necessarily care about ans—nann- should necessarily care abouti this—right now this particular thing right now because— this particular thing right now because when— this particular thing right now because when we have look at because when we have a look at the because when we have a look at one-anae— because when we have a look at the .that we've _ because when we have a look at the-that we've got- because when we have a look at the that we've got you the fact that we've got you know,— the fact that we've got you nnonlnon— the fact that we've got you know, - ivory .to - the fact that we've got you know, ivory to 2018, know, the ivory out to 2018, nnen— know, the ivory out to 2018, onion-near— know, the ivory out to 2018, which-near total- know, the ivory out to 2018, which near total ban, so which is a near total ban, so nnan— which is a near total ban, so nnan nave— which is a near total ban, so what have -today. which is a near total ban, so what have today now which is a near total ban, so- what have -today now to what have we done today now to ooe— what have we done today now to ooe-nave— what have we done today now to do?-have sorted— what have we done today now to do? have sorted and the do? we have sorted it and the royal— do? we have sorted it and the royal nanny— do? we have sorted it and the royal family at— do? we have sorted it and the royal family at least a ceremonial— royal family at least a ceremonial had royal family at least a- ceremonial-had some ceremonial figure, had some nonto— ceremonial figure, had some none-nave— ceremonial figure, had some would have been pivotal in would say have been pivotal in neping— would say have been pivotal in neapnng no— would say have been pivotal in helping to drive— would say have been pivotal in helping to drive forward things would say have been pivotal in helpthe to drive forward things would say have been pivotal in helpthe preventionward things would say have been pivotal in helpthe prevention ward tiivory like the prevention of the ivory nano— like the prevention of the ivory nae-so— like the prevention of the ivory nae-so non- like the prevention of the ivory trade,-so for me- trade, etcetera. so for me personally,— trade, etcetera. so for me personauy, n— trade, etcetera. so for me personally, i don't know why onene— personally, i don't know why onene-a— personally, i don't know why there - a massive l personally, i don't know why- there-a massive public there should be a massive public naenasn— there should be a massive public naenasn no— there should be a massive public backlash to this— there should be a massive public backlash to this thing that already— backlash to this thing that already exists.— backlash to this thing that already exists. it's not we already exists. it's not like we made— already exists. it's not like we. nnaewa—e made it. it's already whether we see made it. it's already whether we n— made it. it's already whether we n on— made it. it's already whether we n on non— made it. it's already whether we see it or not, on— made it. it's already whether we see it or not, on the— made it. it's already whether we see it or not, on the day, it's snu— see it or not, on the day, it's snu sitting— see it or not, on the day, it's still sitting in— see it or not, on the day, it's still sitting in a— see it or not, on the day, it's still sitting in a cupboard, but it still sitting in a cupboard, but n-ennowens— still sitting in a cupboard, but it empowers poachers it also empowers poachers to nnenn— it also empowers poachers to nnanw—a- it also empowers poachers to. think,_a minute. think, well, hang on a minute. if think, well, hang on a minute. lf-roval_ think, well, hang on a minute. if-royal family— think, well, hang on a minute. if royal family great if the royal family of great nnenn— if the royal family of great britain _this,| if the royal family of great- britain _this, then britain are promoting this, then wnan-s—ws- britain are promoting this, then wnan-s—ws going- britain are promoting this, then what's us going out what's wrong with us going out onene— what's wrong with us going out there-producing— what's wrong with us going out there producing more? so there and producing more? so it's there and producing more? so was aboun— there and producing more? so it's about how— there and producing more? so it's about how it's— there and producing more? so it's about how it's viewed on one— it's about how it's viewed on one-snee- it's about how it's viewed on. one-snaee-so the national stage as well. so i nnenn— the national stage as well. so i nnank we— the national stage as well. so i think we should— the national stage as well. so i think we should we should

definitely— think we should we should definitely think about that. but i definitely think about that. but n—nnene— definitely think about that. but n—nnenelnne- definitely think about that. but i-therelthe wideri i also think there is the wider nonn— i also think there is the wider none-now— i also think there is the wider point-how the— i also think there is the wider point how the royal family point of how the royal family interacts— point of how the royal family interacts with _ point of how the royal family interacts with animals. i'm i'm a—on— interacts with animals. i'm i'm a—on nnen- interacts with animals. i'm i'mi a_of them outside interacts with animals. i'm i'm a just of them outside interacts with animals. i'm i'm a just the of them outside interacts with animals. i'm i'm a just the 0 because utside interacts with animals. i'm i'm a just the 0 because of ide of just the sector because of new— of just the sector because of their hunting,— of just the sector because of their hunting,-of. their hunting, because of ewewnnnng— their hunting, because of everything was about their hunting, because of- everything -was about to everything else. i was about to ask— everything else. i was about to ask-ons— everything else. i was about to ask-this because- everything else. i was about to ask this because there ask about this because there wan— ask about this because there will ne— ask about this because there will bellm— ask about this because there will bellot of— ask about this because there will be lot of horses, for will be a lot of horses, for example,— will be a lot of horses, for example, ridden on the will be a lot of horses, for- example,-ridden on the day example, being ridden on the day and-nonse— example, being ridden on the day and-horse drawn- and even the horse drawn carnage— and even the horse drawnj carriage - points, carriage numerous points, quite famously,— carriage numerous points, quite famously,-them.- famously, two of them. how do you— famously, two of them. how do wow-aboun— famously, two of them. how do you-about that?- famously, two of them. how do you about that? well, you feel about that? well, i nnenn— you feel about that? well, i wank-we— you feel about that? well, i think-we view- you feel about that? well, i think we view something think when we view something non— think when we view something non-position— think when we view something from position animal, from the position of an animal, we snowe— from the position of an animal, we should think— from the position of an animal, we should think about it from new— we should think about it from new oeso— we should think about it from their best interests. you know, noes— their best interests. you know, does one— their best interests. you know, does the -want- their best interests. you know, does the -want to - their best interests. you know, does the want to be does the horse want to be parading— does the horse want to be parading london does the horse want to be parading-london ask does the horse want to be paraanimal,-london ask does the horse want to be paraanimal, want london ask does the horse want to be paraanimal, want to ndon ask does the horse want to be paraanimal, want to be n ask does the horse want to be paraanimal, want to be hunted( does the horse want to be paraanimal, want to be hunted by the animal, want to be hunted by the animal, want to be hunted by one-nanawe— the animal, want to be hunted by one-nanawe no— the animal, want to be hunted by the family? do lambs want the royal family? do lambs want to the royal family? do lambs want no ne— the royal family? do lambs want to be slaughtered— the royal family? do lambs want to be slaughtered easter? to be slaughtered for easter? i nnenn— to be slaughtered for easter? i wank-we— to be slaughtered for easter? i think-we think- to be slaughtered for easter? i think we think about think what we think about traditional— think what we think about traditional-we. think what we think about- traditional-we should traditional practises we should view— traditional practises we shouldi view_ perspective view them from the perspective of_was- view them from the perspective of_that scenario.| of the victim. in that scenario. ana— of the victim. in that scenario. ana-we— of the victim. in that scenario. ana-we ao— of the victim. in that scenario. and-we do that,- of the victim. in that scenario. and we do that, easy and when we do that, it's easy to and when we do that, it's easy no—wnan- and when we do that, it's easy| no—wnan they're to empathise with what they're enawnng— to empathise with what they're enduring-think,— to empathise with what they're enduring think, well, hang enduring and think, well, hang on a minute— enduring and think, well, hang on a minute, perhaps we should nnenn— on a minute, perhaps we should nnank aboun— on a minute, perhaps we should think about-best- on a minute, perhaps we should think about best interests think about their best interests ana— think about their best interests and—non- and not exploit them for sonennng— and not exploit them for something they and not exploit them for some'need they and not exploit them for some' need i be they and not exploit them for some'need be involved they and not exploit them for some'need be involved in.|ey don't need to be involved in. can— don't need to be involved in. can-wow— don't need to be involved in. can-wow a— don't need to be involved in. can-wow a on— don't need to be involved in. can you a bit about how can i ask you a bit about how you— can i ask you a bit about how you just— can i ask you a bit about how you lose wew— can i ask you a bit about how you just view the— can i ask you a bit about how you just view the royal family? are you just view the royal family? ane wow— you just view the royal family? we won a— you just view the royal family? ane you a pro— you just view the royal family? are you a pro monarchy or not? no nn— are you a pro monarchy or not? no in non— are you a pro monarchy or not? no in no pro— are you a pro monarchy or not? no i'm not pro monarchy, which i know— no i'm not pro monarchy, which i know-probably— no i'm not pro monarchy, which i know-probably not— no i'm not pro monarchy, which i know probably not the answer know is probably not the answer anae— know is probably not the answer tnat-viewers— know is probably not the answer that-viewers on- know is probably not the answer that viewers on this that a lot of viewers on this enannea— that a lot of viewers on this

channel-want- that a lot of viewers on this channel-want to- that a lot of viewers on this channel want to hear. i channel would want to hear. i believe— channel would want to hear. i believe like— channel would want to hear. i believe like traditions, the use of_was— believe like traditions, the use of_that tradition- of animals, that tradition snowe— of animals, that tradition should and should always be updated and eanee— should always be updated and culture modernise. culture should modernise. and so wnisn— culture should modernise. and so whilst-definitely— culture should modernise. and so whilst definitely applaud culture should modernise. and so whilmodernisationy applaud culture should modernise. and so whilmodernisation that)laud culture should modernise. and so whilmodernisation that happens any modernisation that happens in ne— any modernisation that happens in we nowa— any modernisation that happens in the royal family think in the royal family i think onenes— there's something traditional or someone— something that's fundamentally arenas,— archaic, such as the sceptre nene— archaic, such as the sceptre being—nne- archaic, such as the sceptrei being—the reason archaic, such as the sceptre- being_the reason why being the reason, the reason why i being the reason, the reason why n-nnan— being the reason, the reason why n-nnan was— being the reason, the reason why n-nnan .— being the reason, the reason why i-that was i just- being the reason, the reason why i that was i just wondered i asked that was i just wondered wnennen— i asked that was i just wondered wnennenlnon — i asked that was i just wondered whether-not, if— i asked that was i just wondered whether-not, if you - i asked that was i just wondered whether not, if you just whether or not, if you just oppose— whether or not, if you just oppose-enine- whether or not, if you just- oppose -thing anyway, oppose the whole thing anyway, anew— oppose the whole thing anyway, anew-in— oppose the whole thing anyway, they-in nne — oppose the whole thing anyway, they-in the best- oppose the whole thing anyway, they in the best position they may be in the best position to saw— they may be in the best position to saw aboun— they may be in the best position to talk about it— they may be in the best position to talk about it from a from a non— to talk about it from a from a non anis— to talk about it from a from a from this perspective. well, i enine— from this perspective. well, i nnink wow— from this perspective. well, i think you probably know me quite wen—anae- well by this point. patrick that i well by this point. patrick that n—wse— well by this point. patrick that n—wse on— well by this point. patrick that i_use of animals,i i oppose the use of animals, wnennen— i oppose the use of animals, whether-done— i oppose the use of animals, whether-done by,- i oppose the use of animals, whether done by, you know, whether it's done by, you know, a nanny— whether it's done by, you know, a nanny wno— whether it's done by, you know, a family who are— whether it's done by, you know, a family who are obviously very weannw— a family who are obviously very weannw ana— a family who are obviously very wealthy and inherent inordinate aons— wealthy and inherent inordinate amounts—people- wealthy and inherent inordinate. amounts—people who amounts of wealth or people who are—nne— amounts of wealth or people who are—awe wow-n- are just regular like you and i, wno— are just regular like you and i, wno-neea— are just regular like you and i, who need participate in who don't need to participate in annal— animal exploitation. the position— animal exploitation. the position - not i animal exploitation. thei position-not one position i have is not one anaes— position i have is not one that's biased— position i have is not one that's biased against royal that's biased against the royal nanny—wno- that's biased against the royal family _who they. that's biased against the royal family who they are. family because of who they are. it'slposition_ family because of who they are. it'slposition of— family because of who they are. it's position of saying, hang it's a position of saying, hang on_we can stop. it's a position of saying, hang. on_we can stop the on a minute, if we can stop the glonneanon— on a minute, if we can stop the glorification of— on a minute, if we can stop the glorification of animal abuse ana— glorification of animal abuse and remove animal suffering from from— from our everyday lives, nonauw—wei from our everyday lives,- morally,_we should morally, that's what we should be morally, that's what we should nae—eowe- morally, that's what we should be_could argue. be doing. some could argue that the be doing. some could argue that we se— be doing. some could argue that we on— be doing. some could argue that the use of this— be doing. some could argue that the use of this acas ivory seeene— the use of this acas ivory seeene is— the use of this acas ivory sceptre is actually good thing sceptre is actually a good thing because—ana- because without it you and i woolen-n— because without it you and i wouldn't-having- because without it you and i wouldn't having this wouldn't be having this conversation. - wouldn't be having this conversation. and i wouldn't be having this- conversation.-and i wouldn't wouldn't be having this- cortalking)n.-and i wouldn't wouldn't be having this cortalking about and i wouldn't wouldn't be having this cortalking about thed i wouldn't wouldn't be having this cortalking about the usevouldn't wouldn't be having this cortalking about the use ofildn't wouldn't be having this cortalking about the use of even be talking about the use of even noses— be talking about the use of even nose during— be talking about the use of even

horses during the— be talking about the use of even horses during the actual. ceremony,_well. ceremony, etcetera, as well. so maybe—nne- ceremony, etcetera, as well. so. maybe—like -which maybe something like this, which already— maybe something like this, which already exists— maybe something like this, which already exists again, you know, it's already exists again, you know, is innonann— already exists again, you know, it's important-say- already exists again, you know, it's important say it's not it's important to say it's not nne— it's important to say it's not like—just. it's important to say it's not. like—just neen like an elephant has just been owned— like an elephant has just been owned-sawe— like an elephant has just been culled-sake of- like an elephant has just been culled sake of this culled for the sake of this nnine. — culled for the sake of this thing. -actually- culled for the sake of this- thing. -actually-this thing. there actually now this nas—nne- thing. there actually now this has—the fore- thing. there actually now this has—the fore in. thing. there actually now thisj has—the fore in a has brought it to the fore in a way— has brought it to the fore in a way tnan— has brought it to the fore in a way nnan n— has brought it to the fore in a way that it wouldn't have been done— way that it wouldn't have been done earner.— way that it wouldn't have been done earlier. essentially anew-we— done earlier. essentially they've also _ done earlier. essentially they've also missed an opponwnnw— they've also missed an opportunity if camilla said, because— because of the conversation aona— because of the conversation. around—tnat around ivory and the fact that it around ivory and the fact that n—n— around ivory and the fact that n—n n— around ivory and the fact that n—n n was- around ivory and the fact that n—n n no- it is immoral, if i was to donate— it is immoral, if i was toi donate-museum it is immoral, if i was to- donate-museum like the donate this to a museum like the wanna— donate this to a museum like the natural-museum - donate this to a museum like the natural-museum or- donate this to a museum like the natural museum or to natural history museum or to make— natural history museum or to make a— natural history museum or to make a statement of it, you and i make a statement of it, you and k—nawe— make a statement of it, you and k—nawe nne— make a statement of it, you and i_have the same- i could still have the same conversation _ i could still have the same conversation could conversation and we could use nne— conversation and we could use the—oil the sceptre as a statement of why— the sceptre as a statement of why ennas— the sceptre as a statement of why things-ivory- the sceptre as a statement of why things ivory belong why things like ivory belong in the why things like ivory belong in sne—as— why things like ivory belong in sne—aslnene- why things like ivory belong in the—aslrelic of. the past, belong as a relic of nksnow— the past, belong as a relic of our history rather— our history rather than sonennkne— our history rather than something we're our history rather than something-we're into something that we're taking into the something that we're taking into sne—weak. - something that we're taking into sne—weak. dol something that we're taking into. sne—weak. no you the modern world as well. do you nnknk— the modern world as well. do you think fundamentally think someone's fundamentally a bad think someone's fundamentally a pan peson— think someone's fundamentally a pan peson n— think someone's fundamentally a bad person if they— think someone's fundamentally a bad person if they come and bad person if they come out and say,— bad person if they come out and sair—i- bad person if they come out and saw—r aerwakwl say, you know what, i actually insa— say, you know what, i actually just-ivory?- say, you know what, i actually iwsr-wowe on- just quite like ivory? oh, apsokwrew. — just quite like ivory? oh, absolutely. that's that's an rnnorak— absolutely. that's that's an immoral thing. _ absolutely. that's that's an immoral thing. that's immoral immoral thing. that's an immoral posrrron— position to take because we're wearing— position to take because we're. treating—commodities, position to take because we're. tre as�*ig_commodities, position to take because we're tre as objects commodities, position to take because we're tre as objects c(can odities, position to take because we're tre as objects c(can killies, as as objects who we can kill insa— as as objects who we can kill iwsrlproawee— as as objects who we can kill just produce something just to produce something that we—rne- just to produce something thati we—rne nsk. we think looks nice at the risk. kna— we think looks nice at the risk. ana—ane— we think looks nice at the risk. ana—rne eage- we think looks nice at the risk. and—the edge of. and i teeter on the edge of none— and i teeter on the edge of none rnrs— and i teeter on the edge of doing this every— and i teeter on the edge of doing this every single but doing this every single day. but at doing this every single day. but ar ane— doing this every single day. but ar rne risk— doing this every single day. but at the risk-going— doing this every single day. but at the risk going full. alan at the risk of going full. alan rannape. — at the risk of going full. alan partridge. .what- at the risk of going full. alan partridge. what if the partridge. yes. what if the anrnak— partridge. yes. what if the animal rs— partridge. yes. what if the animal is already well animal is already dead? well it's animal is already dead? well rr-s—rni animal is already dead? well- rr-s—rn nanw animal is already dead? well- it'slso_in nanw animal is already dead? well- it'slso the—in many animal is already dead? well it's so the sceptre, in many animal is already dead? well it's so the sceptre, obviously, ny ways. so the sceptre, obviously, anar— ways. so the sceptre, obviously, rnar-rron — ways. so the sceptre, obviously, rnar-rron an— ways. so the sceptre, obviously, that from an elephant who that came from an elephant who krkkea—

that came from an elephant who was killed -time- that came from an elephant who was killed time ago. but was killed a long time ago. but again— was killed a long time ago. but again-aboar— was killed a long time ago. but again, about glamorising it again, it's about glamorising it ana— again, it's about glamorising it and-hang— again, it's about glamorising it and-hang-minute,j and saying, hang on a minute, anis— and saying, hang on a minute, ans—ane- and saying, hang on a minute,i rnrs—rne kowak this is something that the royal ranrw— this is something that the royal family-britain- this is something that the royal family britain think family in great britain think is great— family in great britain think is prear-rnew-re— family in great britain think is great-they're-onl great and they're parading on the great and they're parading on rne—ri great and they're parading on. rne—r wanr the national stage. erg. i want to the national stage. erg. i want ro-ana— the national stage. erg. i want ro-ana paw— the national stage. erg. i want to-and buy some- to go out and buy some fresh, some - some virgin - to go out and buy some fresh, some some virgin ivory and some new some virgin ivory and anar— some new some virgin ivory and ma wru— some new some virgin ivory and that will involve _ some new some virgin ivory and that will involve animals being krkkea— killed to produce that all non. —wewl killed to produce that all. right._very much, right. thank you very much, as ever—nave wow- right. thank you very much, as ever._have you in. ever. pleasure to have you in ne— the studio. yes. again, eannkrne— the studio. yes. again, earthling there, the studio. yes. again, earthling-there, winters, earthling out there, ed winters, gooe— earthling out there, ed winters, good—knowl good stuff. right. let us know wnar—rnar- what you think of that vaiews@gbnews.uk. what you think of that gbithe s@gbnews.uk. what you think of that gbithe king'sews.uk. what you think of that gbithe king's coronation for the king's coronation has arso— for the king's coronation has also-revealed,- for the king's coronation has also revealed, and will also been revealed, and it will be also been revealed, and it will roe—nis- also been revealed, and it will| be_his mother, be far shorter than his mother, srrerenrnp— be far shorter than his mother, stretching-miles,- be far shorter than his mother, stretching miles, only stretching only 1.3 miles, only snu— stretching only 1.3 miles, only sank-a— stretching only 1.3 miles, only sank-a konp— stretching only 1.3 miles, only still-a long way,- still quite a long way, espeerakw— especially for the horses, eonparea— especially for the horses, compared 1953. compared to five miles in 1953. rapke—rnere- compared to five miles in 1953. eagle _there on. compared to five miles in 1953.| eagle—there on tv eagle eyed viewers there on tv ana— eagle eyed viewers there on tv and-wru— eagle eyed viewers there on tv and-win pe— eagle eyed viewers there on tv and-will be able- eagle eyed viewers there on tv and will be able to see and online will be able to see anis— and online will be able to see we owe — and online will be able to see this route. obviously, we're this route. so obviously, we're sranrnp—arl starting there, aren't we, at nwekrnpnan — starting there, aren't we, at| buckingham _a starting there, aren't we, at. buckingham _a bit buckingham palace to be a bit weird— buckingham palace to be a bit weird n— buckingham palace to be a bit weird n we— buckingham palace to be a bit weird if we start— buckingham palace to be a bit weird if we start anywhere else? we— weird if we start anywhere else?| the _stagecoach the diamond jubilee stagecoach will be the first coach that's used — will be the first coach that's used—gradually. will be the first coach that's- used_gradually make used and it will gradually make its used and it will gradually make rrs-krnp— used and it will gradually make rrs-krnp ana— used and it will gradually make its king and queen. its way to king and queen. conson— its way to king and queen. conson-rn- its way to king and queen.j consort-in-and its way to king and queen.. consort-in-and it consort will be in that and it wru— consort will be in that and it will gradually— consort will be in that and it will gradually make way. of will gradually make its way. of course, to westminster and then swrpnsrnpkw— course, to westminster and then swrpnsrnpkw n— course, to westminster and then surprisingly, it will make its way— surprisingly, it will make its way-again— surprisingly, it will make its way again there surprisingly, it will make its- way-againithere-also way back again. there will also be_interesting- be some really interesting rnrnes— be some really interesting things display, not just, of things on display, not just, of coarse-poke— things on display, not just, of course, gold state course, the gold state coach, wnren— course, the gold state coach, wnren r-n— course, the gold state coach, which i'm reliably informed is a lot which i'm reliably informed is a or noe— which i'm reliably informed is a lot more uncomfortable than the eoaen— lot more uncomfortable than the eoaen-rnew— lot more uncomfortable than the eoaen-rnew se— lot more uncomfortable than the coach .they use on - lot more uncomfortable than the coach they use on way coach that they use on the way rnere. — coach that they use on the way

there. apparently— coach that they use on the way there. apparently it's known as a-snaker— there. apparently it's known as a-shaker-the- there. apparently it's known as a shaker the queen a bone shaker and the queen onson— a bone shaker and the queen eonson—rke- a bone shaker and the queen consort—erg will| a bone shaker and the queen. consort—erg will be consort on the king erg will be nearing— consort on the king erg will be nearing-were— consort on the king erg will be heading-there ,- consort on the king erg will be heading-there , of- consort on the king erg will be heading there , of course, heading back there, of course, to buckingham— heading back there, of course, to buckingham palace, a much snoner— shorter route which actually has caused— caused a lot of issues for people— caused a lot of issues for people desperate people who are desperate to aerwakkw— people who are desperate to actually _event- people who are desperate toi actually _event. life actually see this event in life innue— actually see this event in life rn-kneleer— actually see this event in life rn-kneleer a- actually see this event in life in-life,-get a lot- actually see this event in life in life, get a lot of in real life, you get a lot of peopke— in real life, you get a lot of people wno— in real life, you get a lot of people who camp etcetera. people who camp out, etcetera. they— people who camp out, etcetera. rnew-noprne— people who camp out, etcetera. rnew-noprne-rakel they were hoping they'd take a nnen— they were hoping they'd take a neon—sol much longer, windier route so. more people will be able to see it. more people will be able to see in-akas— more people will be able to see in -akas wow— more people will be able to see it. - alas, you - going i it. but no, alas, you are going to it. but no, alas, you are going ro nave— it. but no, alas, you are going ro nawe ro— it. but no, alas, you are going to have to start— it. but no, alas, you are going to have to start camping out wen,— to have to start camping out wen-earn.— to have to start camping out werw-earw. n- to have to start camping out very,-early. if you- to have to start camping out very, early. if you want to to have to start camping out verya early. if you want to to have to start camping out verya glimpse y. if you want to to have to start camping out verya glimpse off you want to to have to start camping out verya glimpse of ouru want to to have to start camping out verya glimpse of ouru wa king. get a glimpse of our new king. nnr— get a glimpse of our new king. ear-ns— get a glimpse of our new king. ear-res nor- get a glimpse of our new king. but-it's not-thei but of course, it's not just the roare— but of course, it's not just the rope anar— but of course, it's not just the route that-charles- but of course, it's not just the route that charles be route that king charles will be raking. — route that king charles will be rakrnare— route that king charles will be rakrnpare ze— route that king charles will be takinlare 26 days— route that king charles will be takinlare 26 days to go until there are 26 days to go until ane— there are 26 days to go until the coronation— there are 26 days to go until the coronation and all of the pans— the coronation and all of the plans are— the coronation and all of the plans are coming together. we've neare— plans are coming together. we've neara owne— plans are coming together. we've neara pane a— plans are coming together. we've heard quite a there, haven't heard quite a lot there, haven't w-eseper - heard quite a lot there, haven't we,-sceptre. we're. we, about the sceptre. we're arso— we, about the sceptre. we're akso nearing— we, about the sceptre. we're also hearing that saint edward's ore—pe— also hearing that saint edward's crown—be used- also hearing that saint edward's crown—be used and. crown is going to be used and is— crown is going to be used and res ane— crown is going to be used and it's the sovereign— crown is going to be used and it's the sovereign orb as well, wnren— it's the sovereign orb as well, wnren r-we— it's the sovereign orb as well, which i've referred to as a rnnker— which i've referred to as a trinket earlier— which i've referred to as a trinket earlier and got a rather a koa— trinket earlier and got a rather a or or— trinket earlier and got a rather a or or pwsn— trinket earlier and got a rather a lot of push back in the inbox because— a lot of push back in the inboxi because—pack a lot of push back in the inboxi beinform _quick a lot of push back in the inboxi beinform me_quick a lot of push back in the inbox beinform me that quick a lot of push back in the inbox beinform me that it quick a lot of push back in the inbox beinform me that it is quick to inform me that it is absolutely— to inform me that it is absolutely a- to inform me that it is absolutely a priceless and nrsronc— absolutely a priceless and historic artefact. i think one absolutely a priceless and his'the artefact. i think one absolutely a priceless and his'the younger. i think one absolutely a priceless and his'the younger people. one absolutely a priceless and his'the younger people. there for the younger people. there wru— for the younger people. there wrkk-specrak— for the younger people. there will special coronation will be a special coronation emoji.— will be a special coronation enoilerwen— will be a special coronation emoji. given robert emoji. but given that robert resron—ri peston has his own emoji, i rnrnk— peston has his own emoji, i thinklprobably- peston has his own emoji, i think probably diminishes the think it probably diminishes the wane— value of that somewhat coronation— value of that somewhat coronation sword , the jubilee coronation sword, the jubilee coacn— coronation sword, the jubilee coacn-scare- coronation sword, the jubilee coach, state coach coach, the gold state coach and even—so- even a coronation spoon. so were— even a coronation spoon. so were-eo— even a coronation spoon. so rnereieo .— even a coronation spoon. so there go . coronation spoon is

there we go. coronation spoon is there we go. coronation spoon is rne-wnrcn— there we go. coronation spoon is rne-wnrcn rs- there we go. coronation spoon is rne-wnrcn is a- there we go. coronation spoon is the-which is a big- the anointing which is a big part— the anointing which is a big panlrne— the anointing which is a big panlrne-anal the anointing which is a big. part-the-and the part of the ceremony and the spoon— part of the ceremony and the spoonla— part of the ceremony and the spoonla-which- part of the ceremony and the spoon a which carries spoon is a vessel which carries ane— spoon is a vessel which carries rne-oi— spoon is a vessel which carries rne-ork .— spoon is a vessel which carries rne-ork . rasc— spoon is a vessel which carries the oil . just quickly, the holy oil. just quickly, acrwakkw— the holy oil. just quickly, actually, sorry- the holy oil. just quickly, actually, sorry about this. you know,— know, the anointment, oils, vegan— know, the anointment, oils, wepan .— know, the anointment, oils, wepan . on— know, the anointment, oils, wepan . on, rs— know, the anointment, oils, vegan . oh, is great? yes. vegan. oh, is it great? yes. rnar-s— vegan. oh, is it great? yes. rnar-slwrn— vegan. oh, is it great? yes. rnar-slwrn .— vegan. oh, is it great? yes. that'slwin . does- vegan. oh, is it great? yes. that's win . does that change that's a win. does that change wow— that's a win. does that change your—the- that's a win. does that changei wow—ane-wow your opinion about the big ivory sceprree— your opinion about the big ivory sceptre? absolutely not. no. okay. — okay. fair enough. thought i'd ewe—nann- okay. fair enough. thought i'd give—right okav-l give it a go. all right. okay. rnar— give it a go. all right. okay. rnar-a— give it a go. all right. okay. that-a-there.- give it a go. all right. okay. that-a-there. in. give it a go. all right. okay.- that-a-there. in case that was a guide there. in case wow-re— that was a guide there. in case wow-re-iornrne— that was a guide there. in case you're joining right you're just joining us right now to you're just joining us right now ro-srark— you're just joining us right now| to-stark_stark to ask, a stark warning, a stark warning— to ask, a stark warning, a stark warnrnp mowing— to ask, a stark warning, a stark warning moving on from one of the warning moving on from one of rne-senror— warning moving on from one of the-senior officials- warning moving on from one of the senior officials the the most senior officials in the wns—rrearcak- nhs, the national medical arrecror— director for nhs england, professor— director for nhs england, professor sir— director for nhs england, professor sir stephen powis, saws— professor sir stephen powis, saws rnrs— professor sir stephen powis, says this weeks— professor sir stephen powis, says this weeks junior doctors srnke — says this weeks junior doctors sake-pe— says this weeks junior doctors srnke-pe or— says this weeks junior doctors strike be of unparalleled strike will be of unparalleled revers— strike will be of unparalleled levels disruption and calls levels of disruption and calls anar— levels of disruption and calls rnar ro— levels of disruption and calls rnar ro ane— levels of disruption and calls that to the health service. junior— that to the health service. junior doctors— that to the health service. junior doctors are out junior doctors are walking out for—ronorrowl junior doctors are walking outi for—tomorrow as for four days from tomorrow as they— for four days from tomorrow as new conrrnwe — for four days from tomorrow as they continue to— for four days from tomorrow as they continue to demand a wnopprnp— they continue to demand a whopping-pav- they continue to demand a whopping pay rise. it's been whopping 35% pay rise. it's been claimed— whopping 35% pay rise. it's been claimed anar— whopping 35% pay rise. it's been claimed that up— whopping 35% pay rise. it's been claimed that up to— whopping 35% pay rise. it's been claimed that up to 350,000 appornrnenrs— claimed that up to 350,000 appointments operations will appointments and operations will be cancekkea— appointments and operations will be cancelled this— appointments and operations will be cancelled this week. now i rearing— be cancelled this week. now i was reading headlines. watch wnar— was reading headlines. watch wnar wow— was reading headlines. watch wnar you no— was reading headlines. watch what you do because we don't wanr— what you do because we don't want .overwhelm _ what you do because we don't want overwhelm the nhs. and want to overwhelm the nhs. and to want to overwhelm the nhs. and ro pe— want to overwhelm the nhs. and ro pe noness— want to overwhelm the nhs. and to be honest, i've— want to overwhelm the nhs. and to be honest, i've got a bit sick— to be honest, i've got a bit sick or— to be honest, i've got a bit sick of this,— to be honest, i've got a bit sick of this, okay? because if wow-e— sick of this, okay? because if ware—nonp- sick of this, okay? because if wow-re—aornp al sick of this, okay? because ifi you're—doing a bit you're thinking of doing a bit of you're thinking of doing a bit or—rne— you're thinking of doing a bit of_the house,- you're thinking of doing a bitj of_the house, you of diy around the house, you worka— of diy around the house, you wowka—wowi would like to think that you conke— would like to think that youi copra—and could crack on with that and men— could crack on with that and rnen nor— could crack on with that and then not have— could crack on with that and then not have to— could crack on with that and then not have to about then not have to worry about wnerner— then not have to worry about whether-there's- then not have to worry about. whether-there's-to whether or not there's going to

be whether or not there's going to pe—srnke- be a junior doctors strike andi sorneonena—rk someone can remove that nail fron— someone can remove that nail from—youl from your hand. but now you nrpnr— from your hand. but now you mien-par— from your hand. but now you might-put that- from your hand. but now you might put that off might have to put that off pecanse— might have to put that off because they _ might have to put that off because they are on strike. dr. laurence gerlis_ because they are on strike. dr. laurence gerlis joins at laurence gerlis joins me. gp ati sane—snonka same day. doctor. doctor should the public be asked to fundamentally change basic the public be asked to fundthat ntally change basic the public be asked to fundthat theyi change basic the public be asked to fundthat they operate basic the public be asked to fundthat they operate in basic the public be asked to fundthat they operate in orderic way that they operate in order to way that they operate in order ro—wns— way that they operate in order ro—wns e - way that they operate in order to_nhs 7 well,l way that they operate in orderi to_nhs 7 well, in way that they operate in order- to_nhs 7 well, in the to protect our nhs? well, in the kenn— to protect our nhs? well, in the long term, yes. for this week it's going to be absolutely desperate. the gps are apparently cancelling all their routine appointments. so tomorrow morning a million people are going to get text cancelling our appointment because the junior doctors are on strike and they've chosen to do this strike for four days after a four day bank holiday weekend when the gps have all been closed anyway . and then been closed anyway. and then there's another weekend coming up after the strike. so that's ten of disruption . it's ten days of disruption. it's going absolutely dreadful going to be absolutely dreadful and affect patients and and it will affect patients and it will harm patients and we've had senior people in the nhs saying that lives are at risk and i think it's a desperately sad tragic situation. and sad and tragic situation. and doctor lawrence, they always use the yardstick, don't they, of they're about the same they're paid about the same hourly a barista, but hourly rate as a barista, but the real serious question marks

as or not that's as to whether or not that's true. and we're also losing a lot true. and we're also losing a or or— true. and we're also losing a or or people— true. and we're also losing a lot of people to— true. and we're also losing a lot of people to go- and we're also losing a lot of people to go and work in knsrrana— lot of people to go and work in australia-in- lot of people to go and work in australia in canada australia and work in canada in rnerr—swsrens- australia and work in canada in their systems, which australia and work in canada in their some systems, which australia and work in canada in their some form systems, which australia and work in canada in their some form of stems, which australia and work in canada in their some form of happy which australia and work in canada in their some form of happy medium have some form of happy medium nerween— have some form of happy medium between—system- have some form of happy medium between system and between the american system and our between the american system and wnrcn— between the american system and our one, which it— between the american system and our one, which it appears to me rnose— our one, which it appears to me rnose sane— our one, which it appears to me those same doctors— our one, which it appears to me those same doctors would be dead againsr— those same doctors would be dead againsr or— those same doctors would be dead againsr or are— those same doctors would be dead against or are dead— those same doctors would be dead against or are dead against prerrw— against or are dead against prerrw nncn— against or are dead against pretty much any reform in our wns— pretty much any reform in our wns .— pretty much any reform in our wns . rs— pretty much any reform in our wns . rs n— pretty much any reform in our wns . rs n a— pretty much any reform in our nhs. is it a little— pretty much any reform in our nhs. is it a little bit pretty much any reform in our nhs . is it a little bit cheeky? nhs. is it a little bit cheeky? they— nhs. is it a little bit cheeky? rnew saw— nhs. is it a little bit cheeky? rnew saw anew— nhs. is it a little bit cheeky? they say they take taxpayers money— they say they take taxpayers money ro — they say they take taxpayers money no ne — they say they take taxpayers money to be trained over here ana— money to be trained over here and men— money to be trained over here and rnen anew— money to be trained over here and then they do— money to be trained over here and then they do a bit of work over-ana— and then they do a bit of work over-and then— and then they do a bit of work over and then they swan off over here and then they swan off to over here and then they swan off ro—a— over here and then they swan off ro—a nepe.- over here and then they swan off to functional a better, over here and then they swan off to functional system ter, over here and then they swan off to functional system for more functional system for nearer— more functional system for newer paw— more functional system for newer paw .— more functional system for better pay , despite moaning better pay, despite moaning anon— better pay, despite moaning anonr kr— better pay, despite moaning about r1 the— better pay, despite moaning about r1 the whole time and not kenne— about r1 the whole time and not kernne ns— about r1 the whole time and not letting us change— about r1 the whole time and not letting us change it. yeah wone— letting us change it. yeah wone mane— letting us change it. yeah you've made two important points nere. — you've made two important points nere. ime— you've made two important points nere. inesaw— you've made two important points nere. ine saw as— you've made two important points here. .me say at-outset. here. let me say at the outset i support the doctor's pay request totally. 100. what? i don't support is this four day strike. i think it's the wrong tactic anyway. i think it just plays into the government's hands. i don't think it'll work. i think it will harm patients. but the doctors are underpaid. £14 an hour for a newly qualified doctor is desperately bad. look i know i work outside the nhs and you will get a lot of

pushback from your viewers saying, well, what right have i got to comment on this? i support the junior doctors pay request, but the four day strike will achieve nothing but harm patients. the other point you make is actually a very interesting one because i'm often talking to you and to other people about reform , other people about reform, seeing the nhs, having a social insurance system, having part insurance system, having a part payment , insurance system, having a part payment, having a insurance system, having a part payment , having a safety net for payment, having a safety net for people who can't afford it, and i huge amounts of criticism i get huge amounts of criticism on social media saying, oh, it's going to increase inequalities , going to increase inequalities, we can't do that. and yet, as you , those very same doctors you say, those very same doctors say, well, i'm going abroad to australia have australia where they have exactly so that's exactly that system. so that's to me it's hypocritical . they to me it's hypocritical. they don't mind if someone else bnngs don't mind if someone else brings out in that system, but they don't want to dirty their hands by making an important change. and i'm sick and tired of change. and i'm sick and tired or peopke— change. and i'm sick and tired or people nor— fg and i'm sick and tired of people not actually looking inwards— of people not actually looking rnwaras ar— of people not actually looking inwards at the— of people not actually looking inwards at the nhs and, and thev're— inwards at the nhs and, and anew-re wen,— inwards at the nhs and, and they're very, very quick to cnrrcrse — they're very, very quick to criticise the _ they're very, very quick to criticise the government. rnew-re—ro- criticise the government.- they're _to criticise criticise the government.- the fact _to criticise criticise the government. the fact there's) criticise criticise the government. the fact there's notticise criticise the government. the fact there's not enough criticise the government. thepayers there's not enough criticise the government. thepayers money 's not enough criticise the government. thepayers money andit enough criticise the government. thepayers money andit en0lthis tax payers money and all of this srnrr— tax payers money and all of this srnrr .— tax payers money and all of this srnrr . rnew-re— tax payers money and all of this stuff . they're not— tax payers money and all of this stuff . they're not so quick to stuff. they're not so quick to cnrrcrse—

stuff. they're not so quick to criticise _that - stuff. they're not so quick to criticise that they've criticise the fact that they've got— criticise the fact that they've por—on - got diversity offices on goodness— got diversity offices on goodness they've goodness knows what, or they've got goodness knows what, or they've eor-arrrerenr— goodness knows what, or they've got-different-of. got several different layers of nanapenenr— got several different layers of. nanapenenr—ro management there who need to clearly— management there who need to ckearkw ne— management there who need to clearly be doing— management there who need to clearly be doing a— management there who need to clearly be doing a betterjob. they— clearly be doing a betterjob.| rnew—rnerr they don't like attacking their own _ understand i they don't like attacking their. own—understand why. own and i can't understand why. but own and i can't understand why. ena-nne— own and i can't understand why. ena-fine n,— own and i can't understand why. ena-fine n, as- own and i can't understand why. but-find it, as you- but also i do find it, as you saw,— but also i do find it, as you saw, anew-re— but also i do find it, as you said, they're a— but also i do find it, as you said, they're a bit hypocritical . nnr— said, they're a bit hypocritical . nnr rnank— said, they're a bit hypocritical . but thank you— said, they're a bit hypocritical . but thank you very much, dr. lawrence or.— . but thank you very much, dr. lawrence. dr. laurence gerlis, oanar— lawrence. dr. laurence gerlis, oanar sane— lawrence. dr. laurence gerlis, our-at same day.- lawrence. dr. laurence gerlis,i our-at same day.-do lawrence. dr. laurence gerlis, our supportime day. do lawrence. dr. laurence gerlis, our support thisday. do lawrence. dr. laurence gerlis, our support this strike? do lawrence. dr. laurence gerlis, our support this strike? the do you support this strike? the innror—rnewl you support this strike? the. junior—they want junior doctors strike, they want anon—nse- junior doctors strike, they want about rise, supposedly about a 35% pay rise, supposedly . it about a 35% pay rise, supposedly . n depends— about a 35% pay rise, supposedly . it depends which— about a 35% pay rise, supposedly . it depends which metric you . rnew-we— . it depends which metric you use . they've either had . a 9% or use. they've either had. a 9% or rew— use. they've either had. a 9% or row cnr— use. they've either had. a 9% or row cnr kn— use. they've either had. a 9% or 16% cut in real— use. they've either had. a 9% or 16% cut in real terms over the rasc— 16% cut in real terms over the kasr 25— 16% cut in real terms over the kasr zs weas — 16% cut in real terms over the last 25 years. do— 16% cut in real terms over the last 25 years. do you think they deserve— last 25 years. do you think they deserve a— last 25 years. do you think they deserve a paw— last 25 years. do you think they deserve a pay rise?— last 25 years. do you think they deserve a pay rise? should they be srnkrnpe— deserve a pay rise? should they be striking? should they be banned— be striking? should they be banned striking? be striking? should they be- banned-striking?-here's banned from striking? but here's anorner— another question for you. i'm rnkk—roaaw- another question for you. i'm rnkk—roaaw .- another question for you. i'mi full—today . what full of questions today. what nave— full of questions today. what nawe ane— full of questions today. what nawe rne rai— full of questions today. what have the taj mahal , the great have the taj mahal, the great wan— have the taj mahal, the great wan-ana— have the taj mahal, the great wall and birkenhead wall of china and birkenhead rank— wall of china and birkenhead rark aor— wall of china and birkenhead rark eor kn— wall of china and birkenhead park got in common? the answer nrenr— park got in common? the answer nrpnr snrpnse— park got in common? the answer might surprise you. _ park got in common? the answer might surprise you. patrick might surprise you. i'm patrick cnnsrws— might surprise you. i'm patrick cnnsrws on— might surprise you. i'm patrick christys on .views- might surprise you. i'm patrick christys on views britain's christys on gb views britain's

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through of some potential new unesco world heritage sites. so there are more than a k : g so there are more than a thousand sncn— there are more than a thousand sncn sires— there are more than a thousand such sites around— there are more than a thousand such sites around the world, and new— such sites around the world, and new rncknae— such sites around the world, and they include the— such sites around the world, and they include the taj mahal in nora— they include the taj mahal in new wraekw— they include the taj mahal in india, widely regarded as one of the india, widely regarded as one of we nosr— india, widely regarded as one of the most beautiful— india, widely regarded as one of the most beautiful buildings on cann— the most beautiful buildings on eann a— the most beautiful buildings on earth, a magnificent structure, ranrasrrc— earth, a magnificent structure, ranrasrrc .— earth, a magnificent structure, fantastic . then— earth, a magnificent structure, fantastic . then there's the fantastic. then there's the near— fantastic. then there's the crear wan— fantastic. then there's the great wall of— fantastic. then there's the great wall of china , which great wall of china, which srrercnes— great wall of china, which stretches more— great wall of china, which stretches more than 13,000 mikes— stretches more than 13,000 nies nnr— stretches more than 13,000 miles, but was— stretches more than 13,000 miles, but was built more than 2000— miles, but was built more than 2000 wears— miles, but was built more than zooo wears apo— miles, but was built more than zooo wears ago .— miles, but was built more than 2000 years ago . unbelievable, 2000 years ago. unbelievable, rsn-r— 2000 years ago. unbelievable, rsn-r ne— 2000 years ago. unbelievable, isn't it? unbelievable closer to none,— isn't it? unbelievable closer to none, ane— isn't it? unbelievable closer to home, the stonehenge , which is home, the stonehenge, which is acrnakkw— home, the stonehenge, which is acrnakkw one— home, the stonehenge, which is actually one of— home, the stonehenge, which is actually one of 33— home, the stonehenge, which is actually one of 33 unesco world nenrape — actually one of 33 unesco world nenrape sires— actually one of 33 unesco world heritage sites already in the up,— heritage sites already in the nk, nwsrerw— heritage sites already in the uk, mystery still surrounds exacrkw— uk, mystery still surrounds exacrkw now— uk, mystery still surrounds exactly how it— uk, mystery still surrounds exactly how it was made and what on cann— exactly how it was made and what on eann conke— exactly how it was made and what on earth could have— exactly how it was made and what on earth could have happened were.— on earth could have happened rnere. wnar— on earth could have happened there. what significance is it? nnr— there. what significance is it? ena—conke- there. what significance is it? but could increase but that figure could increase if birkenhead— but that figure could increase if birkenhead park in the nonn—wesr— if birkenhead park in the north—west of- if birkenhead park in the north—west of england, is pranrea— north—west of england, is granted world— north—west of england, is granted world heritage status. kes. — granted world heritage status. kes. cer— granted world heritage status. kes. cer kn— granted world heritage status. kes. cer in a— granted world heritage status. yes. get in a massive win for nrrkenneaa— yes. get in a massive win for birkenhead park— yes. get in a massive win for birkenhead park and indeed the nonn—wesr.— birkenhead park and indeed the north—west. makes north—west. what makes birkenhead— north—west. what makes birkenhead park so special, rnonpne— birkenhead park so special, rnonpne-onr- birkenhead park so special, though?-out .- birkenhead park so special, though?-out . i. birkenhead park so special,i though?-out . i can though? let's find out. i can speak— though? let's find out. i can speak-en— though? let's find out. i can speak-gb news- though? let's find out. i can speak gb news north speak to gb news north west reponer— speak to gb news north west reporter-reaper,- speak to gb news north west reporter reaper, who's speak to gb news north west repori now. reaper, who's speak to gb news north west repori now. you reaper, who's speak to gb news north west repori now. you areaper, who's speak to gb news north west reporinow. you are iner, who's speak to gb news north west repori now. you are in the ho's there now. you are in the nonnern— there now. you are in the nonnern rai— there now. you are in the northern taj mahal. sophie, wnar-s— northern taj mahal. sophie, was going— northern taj mahal. sophie, what's going on? why is this sncn— what's going on? why is this sncn a— what's going on? why is this such a special— what's going on? why is this

such a special site ? venice such a special site? well, you mentioned some other unesco sites that people may automatically think of, places like you say , the taj mahal, but like you say, the taj mahal, but also places like the great barrier reef, places like the acropolis in greece . but then acropolis in greece. but then people may be wondering why birkenhead , as you asked so birkenhead, as you asked so rightly there. patrick is so special. it doesn't have a great world famous landmark like the pyramids of giza or the great wall of china. but what it does offer is practical heritage. it was opened back in 1847 and it was opened back in 1847 and it was one of the pioneers of green spaces being included in urban landscapes . now, in fact, it was landscapes. now, in fact, it was so ahead of its time since then it's been used all over the world as a blueprint for towns and cities who want to replicate fate. similar things. it was even used . it's been said to even used. it's been said to model new york city's central park. so that's quite an accolade . now. it'sjust one park. so that's quite an accolade . now. it's just one of accolade. now. it's just one of seven sites in the uk that are being considered for unesco

world heritage site status . and world heritage site status. and we've heard today that the government will be backing each of those sites. in a statement, heritage minister lord parkinson of whitley bay said today we are confirming our support for some of the most enchanting heritage sites and breathtaking landscapes in the uk and its overseas territories. as they bid for unesco world heritage site status. all the local opfions site status. all the local options being put forward would be worthy recipients of this accolade and we will give them our full backing so they can benefit from the international recognition. it can bring. so what we're now going to see is the local authorities where these seven sites are based around the uk , working closely around the uk, working closely with the department of culture, media and sport in order to try and get as many of these seven across the line as is possible. fantastic nick. good stuff. sopnre— fantastic nick. good stuff. sopnre kreper— , nick. good stuff. sophie rieper there from birkenhead— sophie rieper there from birkenhead park, gb news north wee.— birkenhead park, gb news north wesr. keponer— birkenhead park, gb news north

west. reporter now i have a bit of west. reporter now i have a bit or skin— west. reporter now i have a bit or skin in— west. reporter now i have a bit or skin in ne— west. reporter now i have a bit of skin in the game here. i pkawea— of skin in the game here. i pkawea a— of skin in the game here. i pkawea a pn— of skin in the game here. i played a bit of— of skin in the game here. i played a bit of cricket, acrnakkw,— played a bit of cricket, actually, believe it or not, in nrrkenneaa— actually, believe it or not, in birkenhead park— actually, believe it or not, in birkenhead park when i was wonnpen— birkenhead park when i was wonnper. some— birkenhead park when i was younger. some of the other cnkrnrak— younger. some of the other. cultural—tentative younger. some of the other. cultinclude-tentative younger. some of the other cultinclude york, tentative younger. some of the other cultinclude york, which ntative younger. some of the other cult include york, which nta a re list include york, which as a whole— list include york, which as ai whole _ actually whole, which i was actually quite— whole, which i was actually quite surprised— whole, which i was actually quite surprised out, quite surprised to find out, ism—list.- quite surprised to find out,l isn't—list. and isn't already on the list. and also— isn't already on the list. and also the— isn't already on the list. and also the east— isn't already on the list. and also the east atlantic flyway . also the east atlantic flyway. yep,— also the east atlantic flyway. yep, me— also the east atlantic flyway. yep, me neither.— also the east atlantic flyway. yep, me neither. but it's a migratory— yep, me neither. but it's a migratory bird— yep, me neither. but it's a migratory bird route over western— migratory bird route over western parts— migratory bird route over western parts of europe, including— western parts of europe, including yorkshire and lincolnshire_ including yorkshire and lincolnshire ,- including yorkshire and lincolnshire , norfolk, suffolk, lincolnshire, norfolk, suffolk, essex— lincolnshire, norfolk, suffolk, bee-.— lincolnshire, norfolk, suffolk, essex-. that's- lincolnshire, norfolk, suffolk, essex . that's going to essex and kent. that's going to join— essex and kent. that's going to join me— essex and kent. that's going to join the we— essex and kent. that's going to join the uk's list— essex and kent. that's going to join the uk's list in recognition- join the uk's list in recognition of its vital importance— recognition of its vital importance to bird populations and importance to bird populations ene-se— importance to bird populations ene-so there- importance to bird populations and-so there-go. i and wildlife. so there we go. and— and wildlife. so there we go. and-further- and slightly further afield here,— and slightly further afield here, - little _ and slightly further afield here, little cayman marine here, the little cayman marine perke— here, the little cayman marine perks and— here, the little cayman marine parks and protected areas. yeah, you guessed— parks and protected areas. yeah, you guessed it,— parks and protected areas. yeah, you guessed it, it's— parks and protected areas. yeah, you guessed it, it's on the uk'si overseas—cayman overseas territory of the cayman islands. — overseas territory of the cayman islands. i— overseas territory of the cayman islands. i imagine— overseas territory of the cayman islands. i imagine that sophie repe— islands. i imagine that sophie ripe ie— islands. i imagine that sophie ripa is devastated that we ewe-e— ripa is devastated that we ewe-e sene— ripa is devastated that we didn't send her— ripa is devastated that we didn't send her there to report on didn't send her there to report eee-particular— didn't send her there to report on particular unesco on that particular unesco heritage— on that particular unesco heritage site.— on that particular unesco heritage site. but there we are. righte— heritage site. but there we are. right-7-0n— heritage site. but there we are. right?-on because- heritage site. but there we are. right? on because the right? moving on because the pence— right.7 moving on because the pence—eee- right.7 moving on because the police—the snp's police investigating the snp's finances— police investigating the snp's finances have— police investigating the snp's finances have reportedly seized and— finances have reportedly seized and rm— finances have reportedly seized and m nee— finances have reportedly seized and i'm not joking here, a luxury— and i'm not joking here, a luxury motorhome belonging to nicole— luxury motorhome belonging to nicola sturgeon's_ luxury motorhome belonging to nicola sturgeon's mother in law. we— nicola sturgeon's mother in law. the motorhome— nicola sturgeon's mother in law. the motorhome ,_ nicola sturgeon's mother in law. the motorhome , which can sell the motorhome, which can sell for eeene— the motorhome, which can sell for around £110,000, was removed

from— for around £110,000, was removed from a— for around £110,000, was removed from a house— for around £110,000, was removed from a house in— for around £110,000, was removed from a house in fife,— for around £110,000, was removed from a house in fife, taken at me— from a house in fife, taken at the same— from a house in fife, taken at the same time— from a house in fife, taken at the same time the police searched— the same time the police searched the— the same time the police searched the home of the former seemeh— searched the home of the former scottish first _ searched the home of the former scottish first minister and her husband,— scottish first minister and her husband, peter— scottish first minister and her husband, peter murrell, last week.— husband, peter murrell, last week. nee— husband, peter murrell, last week. this case— husband, peter murrell, last week. this case gets weirder and weirder. — week. this case gets weirder and weirder. joining— week. this case gets weirder and weirder. joining me— week. this case gets weirder and weirder. joining me now is data emer— weirder. joining me now is data etttet et— weirder. joining me now is data etttet at the— weirder. joining me now is data editor at the spectator, michael stmmene— editor at the spectator, michael stmmene .— editor at the spectator, michael simmons . michael, thank you very simmons. michael, thank you very much— simmons. michael, thank you very mutt .— simmons. michael, thank you very mutt . tree— simmons. michael, thank you very mutt . tte why— simmons. michael, thank you very much . erg why have they seized much. erg why have they seized a motorhome— much. erg why have they seized a motorhome e — much. erg why have they seized a motorhome .7 uh,— much. erg why have they seized a motorhome .7 uh, i— much. erg why have they seized a motorhome .7 " f: motorhome.7 uh, i wish i could tell you. and just as we- motorhome.7 " f: and just as we thought tell you. and just as we thought , et— tell you. and just as we thought , at the— tell you. and just as we thought , at the ent— tell you. and just as we thought , at the ent et— tell you. and just as we thought , at the end of last— and just as we thought , at the end of last week, this story— , at the end of last week, this stew wee— , at the end of last week, this story was maybe— , at the end of last week, this story was maybe going to die ewew— story was maybe going to die ewew tet— story was maybe going to die ewew tet e— story was maybe going to die away for a few— story was maybe going to die away for a few months while the pewte— away for a few months while the pettee get— away for a few months while the pettee get en— away for a few months while the police got on with— away for a few months while the police got on with their investigation- police got on with their investigation as emerged police got on with their invetasjation as emerged police got on with their invetas youn as emerged police got on with their invetas you say,s emerged police got on with their invetas you say, on emerged police got on with their invetas you say, on wednesday that as you say, on wednesday memtne— that as you say, on wednesday memtwg when— that as you say, on wednesday morning when they raided the sturgeon— morning when they raided the sturgeon ent— morning when they raided the sturgeon and murrell household, when— sturgeon and murrell household, when thew— sturgeon and murrell household, when they raided— sturgeon and murrell household, when they raided the snp headquarters,— when they raided the snp headquarters, they also turned up at— headquarters, they also turned up at peter— headquarters, they also turned up at peter murrell mother in tew-e— up at peter murrell mother in we tewee— up at peter murrell mother in law's house where they took this metetteme. — law's house where they took this motorhome. now— law's house where they took this motorhome. now ,_ law's house where they took this motorhome. nm g law's house where they took this motorhome. wet g motorhome. now, neighbours have said that the motorhome appeared on the driveway or outside the house in january 2021 and apparently has been there ever since. but apparently has been there ever since . but no one has apparently has been there ever since. but no one has said apparently has been there ever since . but no one has said that since. but no one has said that it's since. but no one has said that we ewe— since. but no one has said that we teen— since. but no one has said that it's ever been driven— it: but no one has said that it's ever been driven anywhere. wttt— it's ever been driven anywhere. what the— it's ever been driven anywhere.

what the motorhome— it's ever been driven anywhere. what the motorhome is- it's ever been driven anywhere. what the motorhome is for- it's ever been driven anywhere. what the motorhome is for what the police is interest is in the motorhome is could be anyone's guess. yeah exactly. and nicola sturgeon-e— guess. yeah exactly. and nicola sturgeon's mother— guess. yeah exactly. and nicola sturgeon's mother in— g “43?" tixoifttilcyt and nicola sturgeon's mother in law, as we unterstant— sturgeon's mother in law, as we understand tt— sturgeon's mother in law, as we understand it is— sturgeon's mother in law, as we understand it is rather old and ttetetete— understand it is rather old and therefore possibly quite wetttetw— therefore possibly quite unlikely to _ therefore possibly quite unlikely to have been whipping it unlikely to have been whipping tt areunt— unlikely to have been whipping tt areunt tn— unlikely to have been whipping it around in a— unlikely to have been whipping it around in a motorhome teteett— it around in a motorhome teteett, ene— it around in a motorhome herself, one would have thought, wttet— herself, one would have thought, wttet mates— herself, one would have thought, which makes slightly unusual herself, one would have thought, whictherezes slightly unusual herself, one would have thought, whicthere would lightly unusual herself, one would have thought, whicthere would be my unusual herself, one would have thought, whicthere would be ay unusual herself, one would have thought, whicthere would be a brand ual that there would be a brand epewttne— that there would be a brand epewttwg ew— that there would be a brand spanking new one parked right ewtette— spanking new one parked right ewewe-gett— spanking new one parked right ewtette-eett .— spanking new one parked right outside gaff . and nicola outside the gaff. and nicola sturgeon— outside the gaff. and nicola sturgeon was— outside the gaff. and nicola sturgeon was pictured in an tnteteettne— sturgeon was pictured in an interesting pose outside her own house— interesting pose outside her own house over the _ interesting pose outside her own house over the weekend and she tet— house over the weekend and she tet tet— house over the weekend and she tet tet tett— house over the weekend and she had her left hand— house over the weekend and she had her left hand in her pocket the wee— had her left hand in her pocket the whole time.— had her left hand in her pocket the whole time. and it has led to eowe— the whole time. and it has led to some speculation. michael twat— to some speculation. michael twet twee— to some speculation. michael that there might— to some speculation. michael that there might be some wedding ring that there might be some wedding wwg tetetet— that there might be some wedding ring related issues— that there might be some wedding ring related issues there. yeah so ring related issues there. yeah so eewtetwtw— ring related issues there. yeah so certainly that's the that's twe— so certainly that's the that's the tate— so certainly that's the that's the take from _ so certainly that's the that's the take from the amateur twtttet— the take from the amateur twitter sleuths. �*ftt�* , ti; . twitter sleuths. whenever there's a crime, we get the detective on social media trying to work things out with different clues . and that's different clues. and that's eewtetwtw— different clues. and that's certainly seems- different clues. and that's certainly seems to- : ”flirt; i and that's certainly seems to be the ewggeettew— certainly seems to be the suggestion that maybe she was she suggestion that maybe she was ewe ee— suggestion that maybe she was she was hiding— suggestion that maybe she was she was hiding her her wedding wwe. — she was hiding her her wedding wwe. tt— she was hiding her her wedding wwg. tt meet.— she was hiding her her wedding ring. it must, of— she was hiding her her wedding ring. c i she was hiding her her wedding

ring. . ti.ti:t. ring. it must, of course, be difficult if you're if your husband is arrested . and but i husband is arrested. and but i think what what nicola sturgeon is going through with that is like nothing compared to the whole sort of wider independence movement. and the snp party over the weetewt— movement. and the snp party over the weetewt we— movement. and the snp party over the weekend we had— movement. and the snp party over the weekend we had the— and the snp party over the weekend we had the snp weettewt,— the weekend we had the snp president, mike— the weekend we had the snp president, mike russell , who's president, mike russell, who's etee— president, mike russell, who's etee twe— president, mike russell, who's also the interim— president, mike russell, who's also the interim ceo, say that he also the interim ceo, say that we tttw-t— also the interim ceo, say that he didn't think— also the interim ceo, say that he didn't think independence was eewtewette— he didn't think independence was achievable at— he didn't think independence was achievable at the— he didn't think independence was achievable at the moment and the— achievable at the moment and the wee— achievable at the moment and the twe— achievable at the moment and this was the worst— achievable at the moment and this was the worst crisis that wet— this was the worst crisis that we-t eee— this was the worst crisis that we-t tw— this was the worst crisis that he'd seen in 50— this was the worst crisis that he'd seen in 50 years just a bit of he'd seen in 50 years just a bit et eewtext— he'd seen in 50 years just a bit et eewtext. — he'd seen in 50 years just a bit of context. also— he'd seen in 50 years just a bit of context. wig he'd seen in 50 years just a bit of context. it; ”cat of context. also very, very worthwhile making a note of the fact that peter murrell has been released without charge pending investigation, but investigation, of course. but the firm audits the snp's the firm that audits the snp's finances has resigned and i was delving over some old footage here. nicola sturgeon made a big point not so long ago of saying that the snp's finances were in dependently, audited so that they were all went through an independent firm and then i was reading some more articles about it all and they were saying that the two elections within a relatively quick succession, relatively quick succession,

relatively quick succession , had relatively quick succession, had made it difficult for the snp because they didn't necessarily have enough money in the coffers to both of those as much to fight both of those as much money as they have wished money as they would have wished . of course money . and there was of course money that was supposed to be ring fenced independence fenced for the independence campaign. look, is the is the concern that some of that money or a lot of that money that was supposed to be ring fenced for the independence campaign might have initially been syphoned off for the elections? is that is that really where we think we might with this ? well, as might be at with this? well, as you obviously, we might be at with this? well, as you-obviously, we have- might be at with this? well, as you-obviously, we have toi you say, obviously, we have to be you say, obviously, we have to te—twete-e- you say, obviously, we have to be _there's the be careful because there's the ongoing— be careful because there's the eweetwe-wettew- be careful because there's the ongoing nation. but ongoing investing nation. but i weew-etwpw— ongoing investing nation. but i weew-etwww .- ongoing investing nation. but i mean, simply , the sort of mean, quite simply, the sort of teete— mean, quite simply, the sort of teete et— mean, quite simply, the sort of teete et twe— mean, quite simply, the sort of facts of the allegation often twet— facts of the allegation often are that this— facts of the allegation often are that this money was raised for are that this money was raised tet e— are that this money was raised for a crowdfunder_ are that this money was raised for a crowdfunder on this wetette— for a crowdfunder on this website that— for a crowdfunder on this website that was something like tetetewtww— website that was something like referendum dot— website that was something like referendum dot scott and the crowdfunder_ referendum dot scott and the crowdfunder quite clearly said the— crowdfunder quite clearly said the wette— crowdfunder quite clearly said this would be— crowdfunder quite clearly said this would be used for and the wet— this would be used for and the next independence referendum . next independence referendum. um.— next independence referendum. um. twe— next independence referendum. wet. the money— next independence referendum. um, the money is— next independence referendum. um, the money is gone- next independence referendum. um, the money is gone because the next iteration of the of the snp's accounts had the balance down to something like £97,000. and clearly there's not been an twtepewtewee—

and clearly there's not been an independence referendum . independence referendum. um, so that independence referendum. um, so ttet te— independence referendum. um, so ttet te tte— independence referendum. um, so that is the allegation is that the money has been used for something else. but what it was used for, that's a matter for the police to get to. absolutely. and again, it the police to get to. - absolutely. and again, it is etwtewetw— absolutely. and again, it is obviously worth noting yet again that obviously worth noting yet again twet peter— obviously worth noting yet again that peter murrell— obviously worth noting yet again that peter murrell has been teteeeet— that peter murrell has been released without charge. and etee— released without charge. and also _sturgeon - released without charge. and also sturgeon say also nicola sturgeon did say ttet— also nicola sturgeon did say twet twee— also nicola sturgeon did say that there was— also nicola sturgeon did say that there was a— also nicola sturgeon did say that there was a lot more she wtewet— that there was a lot more she wished-could— that there was a lot more she wished-could-but. wished she could say, but she tttw-t— wished she could say, but she tttw-t-te— wished she could say, but she didn't-to because- wished she could say, but she didn't to because there was didn't want to because there was an didn't want to because there was ew ongoing— didn't want to because there was an ongoing investigation. she etwtewetw— an ongoing investigation. she obviously though she obviously feels as though she wette— would be completely exonerated trow— would be completely exonerated from—michael- from all of this. michael stwwewe— from all of this. michaeli simmons,-very from all of this. michael- simmons,-very much as simmons, thank you very much as ttet— simmons, thank you very much as ever. that-data— simmons, thank you very much as ever. that data editor the ever. that is data editor at the sweetetew— ever. that is data editor at the spectator, simmons . spectator, michael simmons. wett— spectator, michael simmons. tttgwt wow— spectator, michael simmons. tttgwt ete— spectator, michael simmons. right now, six police officers get-were— right now, six police officers get-wete-wwt right now, six police officers. get-wete-wwt tw get this, were sent to a pub in teeex— get this, were sent to a pub in teeex te— get this, were sent to a pub in essex to seize— get this, were sent to a pub in essex to seize 15— get this, were sent to a pub in essex to seize 15 dolls that were on display— essex to seize 15 dolls that were on display behind the bar. so were on display behind the bar. so utte— were on display behind the bar. so ulla braverman has said that this so ulla braverman has said that the te— so ulla braverman has said that the te e— so ulla braverman has said that this is a massive— so ulla braverman has said that this is a massive overreaction , this is a massive overreaction, an this is a massive overreaction, ew yew— this is a massive overreaction, an your ears are not deceiving wee.— an your ears are not deceiving wee. ttet-e— an your ears are not deceiving you. that's right.— an your ears are not deceiving you. that's right. 15 dolls eetzet— you. that's right. 15 dolls eetzet tw— you. that's right. 15 dolls seized by six— you. that's right. 15 dolls seized by six police officers at an seized by six police officers at ew teeex— seized by six police officers at ew teeex pet.— seized by six police officers at an essex pub. is— seized by six police officers at an essex pub. is this a massive eweweeettwt— an essex pub. is this a massive overreaction? aren't they aren't ewppeeet— overreaction? aren't they aren't ewppeeet te— overreaction? aren't they aren't ewppeeet to te— overreaction? aren't they aren't supposed to be stopping eweettwee— supposed to be stopping shootings and stabbings. i'm tetwet— shootings and stabbings. i'm tetwet-ew- shootings and stabbings. i'm patrick-on gb- shootings and stabbings. i'm patrick on gb news patrick christys on gb news wwtetw-e— patrick christys on gb news

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channel now, just i channel. now, just a |ctewwet— now, just a warning. some of you may— now, just a warning. some of you we ttwt— now, just a warning. some of you may ttwt twe— now, just a warning. some of you may find the language in this etew— may find the language in this etew e— may find the language in this etew e ttt— may find the language in this story a bit offensive. so eewettet— story a bit offensive. so consider yourself warned. a wwetewt— consider yourself warned. a husband and— consider yourself warned. a husband and wife have vowed to put husband and wife have vowed to wet twett— husband and wife have vowed to put their collection— husband and wife have vowed to put their collection of dolls teet— put their collection of dolls teet ew— put their collection of dolls back on display— put their collection of dolls back on display after they were eetzet— back on display after they were eetzet tw— back on display after they were seized by police.— back on display after they were seized by police. six police ettteete— seized by police. six police officers entered— seized by police. six police officers entered the pub owned by officers entered the pub owned tw wetwtee— officers entered the pub owned by bernice riley— officers entered the pub owned by bernice riley and her husband cwwe— by bernice riley and her husband cwwe teet— by bernice riley and her husband chris, last tuesday— by bernice riley and her husband chris, last tuesday . they took chris, last tuesday. they took ewew— chris, last tuesday. they took ewew twe— chris, last tuesday. they took away the ts— chris, last tuesday. they took away the 15 dolls— chris, last tuesday. they took away the 15 dolls after an anonymous complaint was made eeetwet— anonymous complaint was made eeetwet twew— anonymous complaint was made eeetwet twew .— anonymous complaint was made eeetwet twew . a— anonymous complaint was made against them . a home office against them. a home office tott— against them. a home office source told the— against them. a home office source told the media the home secretew.— source told the media the home secretary, suella_ source told the media the home secretary, suella braverman, was twtewe— secretary, suella braverman, was twwewe twewew— secretary, suella braverman, was furious, though, and the source eett— furious, though, and the source eett pettee— furious, though, and the source said police force— furious, though, and the source said police force should not be eetttwe— said police force should not be getting involved _ said police force should not be getting involved in this kind of nonsense. it's— getting involved in this kind of nonsense. it's about tackling ewtt—eeetet— nonsense. it's about tackling anti—social behaviour, stopping wetewee— anti—social behaviour, stopping violence against— anti—social behaviour, stopping violence against women and girls ettewttwe— violence against women and girls attending burglaries , catching attending burglaries, catching ewwtwete— attending burglaries, catching criminals and— attending burglaries, catching criminals and not seizing dolls. so criminals and not seizing dolls. so twee— criminals and not seizing dolls. so there wee— criminals and not seizing dolls. so twete you 90- — criminals and not seizing dolls. so there you go. and this story wee— so there you go. and this story wee wowed— so there you go. and this story has moved on— so there you go. and this story has moved on in— so there you go. and this story has moved on in the last few wtwwtee— has moved on in the last few minutes. there— has moved on in the last few minutes. there you go. with teeex— minutes. there you go. with teeex wettee— minutes. there you go. with essex police telling the press aeeeetettew— essex police telling the press association that _ essex police telling the press association that they have not teeetwet— association that they have not received reprimand from received any such reprimand from the wowe— received any such reprimand from the home secretary. there you received any such reprimand from the so me secretary. there you received any such reprimand from the so it's secretary. there you received any such reprimand from the so it's kicked ry. there you received any such reprimand from the so it's kicked off there you received any such reprimand from the so it's kicked off between

go. so it's kicked off between teeex— go. so it's kicked off between teeex wettee— go. so it's kicked off between essex police and— go. so it's kicked off between essex police and the home seetetew— essex police and the home secretary joining me secretary as well. joining me wow—werew- secretary as well. joining me now, harry miller, now, though, is harry miller, tewwtet— now, though, is harry miller, founder—and,- now, though, is harry miller,- founder_and, harry, founder of fair cop. and, harry, teet— founder of fair cop. and, harry, teet .— founder of fair cop. and, harry, teet . ewewe— founder of fair cop. and, harry, look , should the— founder of fair cop. and, harry, look , should the police be look, should the police be bothered— look, should the police be bothered about— look, should the police be bothered about whether or not twee— bothered about whether or not there — bothered about whether or not there are some— bothered about whether or not there are some mildly offensive totte— there are some mildly offensive tette tewtwt— there are some mildly offensive dolls behind the— there are some mildly offensive dolls behind the counter of a pete— dolls behind the counter of a pub? ste— dolls behind the counter of a pub? six police— dolls behind the counter of a pub? six police officers turned up te— pub? six police officers turned we to rip— pub? six police officers turned we to rip tweee— pub? six police officers turned up to rip those dolls out of the heme— up to rip those dolls out of the wewte et— up to rip those dolls out of the wewte et twe— up to rip those dolls out of the hands of the landlord and tewttetw— hands of the landlord and tewttetw . — hands of the landlord and landlady . ' etzieyt hands of the landlord and- landlady . absolutely not. those landlady. absolutely not. those are not the new essex boys, are they? let's be honest, there's eteetwtetw— they? let's be honest, there's eteetwtetw we— they? let's be honest, there's absolutely no need— ."tzij’ let's be honest, there's absolutely no need at all for thee— absolutely no need at all for tweee wettee— absolutely no need at all for those police officers . seven, those police officers. seven, ew— those police officers. seven, wet— those police officers. seven, six. not even— those police officers. seven, six. not even one. there should teve— six. not even one. there should wewe teew— six. not even one. there should wewe teew we— six. not even one. there should have been no police officer twwtwe— have been no police officer twwtwg we— have been no police officer turning up there to seize those tette. — turning up there to seize those tette. toot.— turning up there to seize those dolls. look, if— turning up there to seize those dolls. look, if |_ turning up there to seize those dolls. look, if i was. if i was a dolls. look, if i was. if i was e outee— dolls. look, if i was. if i was e detee et— dolls. look, if i was. if i was a dukes of hazzard fan right tt— a dukes of hazzard fan right t-t te— a dukes of hazzard fan right now, i'd be incredibly worried in now, i'd be incredibly worried tw twe— now, i'd be incredibly worried in case the flying squad came twettwe— in case the flying squad came bursting through— in case the flying squad came bursting through my doors to eewtteeete— bursting through my doors to confiscate my— bursting through my doors to confiscate my daisy duke doll ewe— confiscate my daisy duke doll ewt ww— confiscate my daisy duke doll and my general— confiscate my daisy duke doll and my general li motor car. weeewee— and my general li motor car. weeewee tt— and my general li motor car. because it has— and my general li motor car. because it has a— and my general li motor car. because it has a confederate flag— because it has a confederate ttee ew— because it has a confederate ttee ew tt— because it has a confederate tteo ew tt .— because it has a confederate flag on it . the— because it has a confederate flag on it . the police should flag on it. the police should wet— flag on it. the police should wet te— flag on it. the police should not be involved— flag on it. the police should not be involved in any of this teet— not be involved in any of this twet teeewee— not be involved in any of this just because something is in poor— just because something is in peer teete— just because something is in poor taste. just— just because something is in poor taste. just because eewetwtwe—

poor taste. just because something represents a value ttet— something represents a value we te— something represents a value we te wew— something represents a value that is now long— something represents a value that is now long gone and is ewewete— that is now long gone and is ewewete .— that is now long gone and is ewewete. tt— that is now long gone and is archaic . it doesn't that is now long gone and is archaic. it doesn't mean that is now long gone and is archaic . it doesn't mean that archaic. it doesn't mean that twe— archaic. it doesn't mean that the eettee— archaic. it doesn't mean that the police should be involved. let the police should be involved. tet twe— the police should be involved. let the patrons— the police should be involved. let the patrons of— the police should be involved. let the patrons of the pub sort it let the patrons of the pub sort tt ewt. — let the patrons of the pub sort tt ewt. tt— let the patrons of the pub sort tt ewt. tt they— let the patrons of the pub sort it out. if they object, don't twwt— it out. if they object, don't drink their— it out. if they object, don't drink their move on, go somewhere else, but don't call the eettee. — somewhere else, but don't call the police. it's— somewhere else, but don't call the police. it's not— somewhere else, but don't call the police. it's not the eettee-e— the police. it's not the eettee-e job- the police. it's not the police's job to be policing our teete— police's job to be policing our teete. geet— police's job to be policing our teete. geet et— police's job to be policing our taste, good or bad . cite/{eye taste, good or bad. okay, just on that, as well. this is part of a bigger picture , i think, of a bigger picture, i think, which is that whilst we have murders, stabbings, shootings, rampant drug dealing, grooming, gangs, terrorism , you name it, gangs, terrorism, you name it, we've got it. and it doesn't appear to be decreased anytime soon. that's before we've even started on the amount of rape convictions that we actually managed . does to managed to get. it does seem to me the police are me as though the police are doing policing of things doing more policing of things like these dolls, again, like these dolls, which again, the name of which i want to make clear, might find clear, people might find offensive, but what offensive, but that's what they're things they're called. and also things on twitter. and i understand that foul that, that you fell foul of that, didn't ? yeah, no, absolutely didn't you? yeah, no, absolutely . imean, didn't you? yeah, no, absolutely . i mean, i was arrested along wttw— . i mean, i was arrested along wttw e— . i mean, i was arrested along wttw e e—eww—

i mean, i was arrested along with a ex—army veteran, a royal ewew— with a ex—army veteran, a royal green teetet— with a ex—army veteran, a royal green jacket last— with a ex—army veteran, a royal green jacket last summer, if you remember, patrick,— green jacket last summer, if you remember, patrick, because the army— remember, patrick, because the army ete— remember, patrick, because the army veteran had— remember, patrick, because the army veteran had put up a etetwe— army veteran had put up a etetwe et— army veteran had put up a etetwe et e— army veteran had put up a picture of a trans flag. and the— picture of a trans flag. and this elicited— picture of a trans flag. and this elicited seven police ettteete— this elicited seven police officers from _ this elicited seven police officers from hampshire to come teww— officers from hampshire to come teww ewe— officers from hampshire to come down and arrest— officers from hampshire to come down and arrest him and arrest me because somebody had been ettewtet— me because somebody had been ettewtet tw— me because somebody had been offended by the— me because somebody had been offended by the trans flag. so whether— offended by the trans flag. so wwetwet tte— offended by the trans flag. so whether it's the— offended by the trans flag. so whether it's the trans flag, a eetew— whether it's the trans flag, a eetew teete— whether it's the trans flag, a daisy duke car— whether it's the trans flag, a daisy duke car or these are not wttwtw— daisy duke car or these are not wttwtw twe— daisy duke car or these are not within the purview— daisy duke car or these are not within the purview of the police . twe— within the purview of the police . twe eettee — within the purview of the police . the police should be out there eetewtwe— . the police should be out there catching criminals.— . the police should be out there catching criminals. they should not catching criminals. they should wet te— catching criminals. they should wet te being— catching criminals. they should not be being arbiters. ' t: not be being arbiters. and the steet — not be being arbiters. and the steet et— not be being arbiters. and the stasi of taste— not be being arbiters. and the stasi of taste . do— not be being arbiters. and the stasi of taste . do you- not be being arbiters. ' t: do you think it stasi of taste. do you think it is stasi of taste. do you think it te e— stasi of taste. do you think it te e wett— stasi of taste. do you think it te e wei, we— do you think it is ? well, he obviously don't is? well, he obviously don't twew— is? well, he obviously don't twew. swe— is? well, he obviously don't know. she was— is? well, he obviously don't know. she was going to ask you if know. she was going to ask you tt wee— know. she was going to ask you tt wee twtwt— know. she was going to ask you if you think it's— know. she was going to ask you if you think it's a— know. she was going to ask you if you think it's a hate crime, tet— if you think it's a hate crime, tet eteew— if you think it's a hate crime, but clearly you _ if you think it's a hate crime, but clearly you don't. but do you— but clearly you don't. but do you twtwt— but clearly you don't. but do you twtwt tte— but clearly you don't. but do you think it's just you think it's actually just offensive?— you think it's actually just offensive? there you think it's actually just offensive?-there an offensive? i mean, there is an argument— offensive? i mean, there is an etewwewt,-tetw- offensive? i mean, there is an argument, fair, the argument, to be fair, that the peepte—wett- argument, to be fair, that the. peepte—wett-tw people at the white hart inn in ewewe— people at the white hart inn in ewewe ewewe— people at the white hart inn in greys should just— people at the white hart inn in greys should just take down tweee— greys should just take down these dolls,— greys should just take down these dolls, just— greys should just take down these dolls, just not because of these dolls, just not because of the tew— these dolls, just not because of the tew, teet— these dolls, just not because of the law, just because why would you the law, just because why would wee wewt— the law, just because why would you wewt te— the law, just because why would you want to have— the law, just because why would you want to have you know . you want to have you know. exactly- eut— you want to have you know. exactly. but we're - you want to have you know. riffweg but we're talking about exactly. but we're talking about the eettee. — exactly. but we're talking about the police. there— exactly. but we're talking about the police. there is— riffweg but we're talking about the police. there is an argument ttet— the police. there is an argument twet ewewe— the police. there is an argument that should not— the police. there is an argument

that should not be— the police. there is an argument that should not be on public tteetew— that should not be on public tteetew tw— that should not be on public tteetew tw tw— that should not be on public tteetew tw tw e— that should not be on public display in in a pub , but it's display in in a pub, but it's wet— display in in a pub, but it's wet e— display in in a pub, but it's wet e eettee— display in in a pub, but it's not a police matter. patrick is it? not a police matter. patrick is tte tt— not a police matter. patrick is tte tt twe— not a police matter. patrick is it? if the customers find it objectionable,— it? if the customers find it objectionable, then they will tete — objectionable, then they will tete they— objectionable, then they will take they will— objectionable, then they will take they will take their beer wewew— take they will take their beer money elsewhere. that's how ttet-e— money elsewhere. that's how twet-e wew— money elsewhere. that's how that's how society operates. we eeetete— that's how society operates. we eeetete wttw— that's how society operates. we operate with consent. this is wet— operate with consent. this is wet twe— operate with consent. this is wet the ttwt— operate with consent. this is not the kind of— operate with consent. this is not the kind of thing that sir ttetett— not the kind of thing that sir ttetett teet— not the kind of thing that sir robert peel set— not the kind of thing that sir robert peel set up. the police tetee— robert peel set up. the police tetee tet. — robert peel set up. the police tetee tet. we— robert peel set up. the police force for. he was— robert peel set up. the police force for. he was not thinking etewt— force for. he was not thinking etewt ewe— force for. he was not thinking about and trans— force for. he was not thinking about and trans flags and daisy teete— about and trans flags and daisy ewte — about and trans flags and daisy ewte we— about and trans flags and daisy duke cars. he was— about and trans flags and daisy duke cars. he was thinking about eteeewtwe— duke cars. he was thinking about eteeewtwo tte— duke cars. he was thinking about eteeewtwo ttte .— duke cars. he was thinking about preserving life , catching preserving life, catching criminals,— preserving life, catching criminals, that sort of thing. tte— criminals, that sort of thing. the sett— criminals, that sort of thing. the set et— criminals, that sort of thing. the sort of thing— criminals, that sort of thing. the sort of thing that- criminals, that sort of thing. the sort of thing that your viewers and everybody who is normal recognises is good , normal recognises is good, honest police work . may be honest police work. may be offensive . they— honest police work. may be offensive . they may- may be offensive . they may not be offensive. they may not be ettewetwe— offensive. they may not be offensive. i— offensive. they may not be offensive. i personally think they— offensive. i personally think they ee— offensive. i personally think twew wet— offensive. i personally think they are. but what i do know is they— they are. but what i do know is they ee— they are. but what i do know is twew wet— they are. but what i do know is twew wet e— they are. but what i do know is they are not a police matter . they are not a police matter. i etee— they are not a police matter. i etee wewt— they are not a police matter. i etee wewt te— they are not a police matter. i also want to know, _ they are not a police matter. i also want to know, by- they are not a police matter. i also want to know, by the- they are not a police matter. i also want to know, by the way, i believe, again, people might find this offensive. we're about to show you some pictures of the offending items. i understand it. so strap yourselves in, ladies and gentlemen. we'll turn off you're easily off the telly. if you're easily offended, i suppose. but yeah, i

think it's also idea , harry, think it's also the idea, harry, that take. that's the that it would take. that's the pub. okay. so people are watching on or online . watching on telly or online. it's obviously the pub and of course, yeah, there we these course, yeah, there we go. these are offensive dolls are the deeply offensive dolls there. there we are . and that there. so there we are. and that is not. do you think that it's the it's the sheer level of police response and do you think that people might find it hard to believe that if you called a cop and said, my nan's house has just been burgled, they might say, well, it's non—urgent ring . one of the other numbers or take the time game round. but if an anonymous one single anonymous person says they were offended by those items, i mean, and by the way, if it's anything like the pub name in scotland, which was about about a black dog, i think we can all fill in the gaps there. it wasn't actually even anybody of that particular ethnic minority who was offended . it was somebody was offended. it was somebody else said this was, i else who said that this was, i believe was an american believe it was an american tourist who said that they thought was thought that this was particularly i mean, particularly offensive. i mean, do you it's the sheer do you think it's the sheer scale response as scale of the police response as well fact that they even

well as the fact that they even attended, which rum? attended, which is a bit rum? yeah, it's the it's the scale of the response they all have gone in very handed . in very, very heavy handed. it's news. it's upsets it's made the news. it's upsets a it's made the news. it's upsets e-eeeete. — it's made the news. it's upsets e-eeeete. lwttt- a lot of people. it will have traumatised— a lot of people. it will have traumatised publican and his traumatised the publican and his wtte— traumatised the publican and his wtte-eeetweee— traumatised the publican and his wife. _goodness ,- traumatised the publican and his wife. goodness , knows what wife. thank goodness, knows what the wtt— wife. thank goodness, knows what the wttt te— wife. thank goodness, knows what the will be thinking and everytety— the will be thinking and everybody all- the will be thinking and everybody all around has been ttewwetteet— everybody all around has been traumatised by— everybody all around has been traumatised by this. there's teet— traumatised by this. there's twet we— traumatised by this. there's twet we weet— traumatised by this. there's just no need for— traumatised by this. there's just no need for it at all. but of course it's— just no need for it at all. but of course it's easy. this sort of course it's easy. this sort et eettee— of course it's easy. this sort of police work— of course it's easy. this sort of police work is— of course it's easy. this sort of police work is easy. it's far twew— of police work is easy. it's far easier than catching criminals. atwewt— easier than catching criminals. a twewt et— easier than catching criminals. a friend of mine— easier than catching criminals. a friend of mine was assaulted teet— a friend of mine was assaulted twet ewtette— a friend of mine was assaulted just outside his— a friend of mine was assaulted just outside his house three tewe— just outside his house three tewe eoe. — just outside his house three tewe eoe. we— just outside his house three days ago. ti ”ti: just outside his house three days ago. ti ”c: e days ago. he reported it to the police. nobody's been days ago. ti ”c: e ti.t:i nobody's been around yet police. nobody's been around yet . wetetw— police. nobody's been around yet . wetetwe et— police. nobody's been around yet . nobody? of course— ti.t:i nobody's been around yet . nobody? of course they wewew-t. — . nobody? of course they haven't. well— . nobody? of course they haven't. well you know what to do. haven't. well you know what to te. tweet— haven't. well you know what to do. proper crime. _ haven't. well you know what to do. proper crime. you know what to do. proper crime. you know what te-ttew— do. proper crime. you know what te-ttew sweete— do. proper crime. you know what to-they should say,- do. proper crime. you know what to-they should say, you. to do. they should say, you should say that should call them and say that he's an offensive doll in he's got an offensive doll in his they'd round his house. and they'd be round there officers straight there with six officers straight away, wouldn't they? but, harry, thank much . great thank you very, very much. great to on the it's to have you on the show. it's harry of harry miller, who's founder of fair . and it is in relation fair cop. and it is in relation to that rather bizarre story about in essex with some about a pub in essex with some offensive dolls. now, the dalai lama has apologised after kissing a boy on the lips as he

came forward to pay his respects . the 87 year old tibetan spiritual leader could then be heard saying in the video , can heard saying in the video, can you suck my tongue? and sticking out his tongue? a warning again that some viewers may find the following pictures distressing . following pictures distressing. so i believe . so i believe. and suck my tongue . it's a bit and suck my tongue. it's a bit grim, isn't it? the nobel peace prize winner has since said on social media that he often teases people in an innocent and playful way , but he regrets the playful way, but he regrets the incident and sorry for the hurt it may have caused. joining me incident and sorry for the hurt it m is have caused. joining me incident and sorry for the hurt it m is ceoe caused. joining me incident and sorry for the hurt it m is ceo ofiused. joining me incident and sorry for the hurt it m is ceo of freedom ning me incident and sorry for the hurt it m is ceo of freedom from �*ne now is ceo of freedom from abuse, marilyn haus. marilyn, thank you very, very what thank you very, very much. what do of this ? well, when

do you make of this? well, when your researcher— do you make of this? well, when your researcher first— t:tit 57 well, when your researcher first phoned t:tit tit7 well, when your researcher first phoned me, i your researcher first phoned me, t twewewt— your researcher first phoned me, t twewewt .— your researcher first phoned me, ttwewowt . wew— your researcher first phoned me, i thought , you know, she lost i thought, you know, she lost twe— i thought, you know, she lost tee-wew— i thought, you know, she lost the-you working- i thought, you know, she lost the you working there the plot. if you working there tee — the plot. if you working there too-something- the plot. if you working there too-something ,- the plot. if you working there too-something , i- too hard or something, i eewttw-t— too hard or something, i couldn't-it.- too hard or something, i couldn't it. and couldn't believe it. and i tttetettw— couldn't believe it. and i literally had— couldn't believe it. and i literally had to immediately go ewttwe— literally had to immediately go online because— literally had to immediately go online because i've been like, wew— online because i've been like, wee—weeteth online because i've been like, wee—weetewt -l online because i've been like,l you—weekend . i've you know, easter weekend. i've teet— you know, easter weekend. i've ttet—eteew- you know, easter weekend. i'vei just—other stuff just been busy doing other stuff and just been busy doing other stuffi ewe—twewewt and stuff, you know, and thought i and stuff, you know, and thought t eewtt— and stuff, you know, and thought t eewtt wet— and stuff, you know, and thought i could not believe— and stuff, you know, and thought i could not believe it when i wetewet— i could not believe it when i watched .and _ i could not believe it when i watched and thought, well, i could not believe it when i watchetlost and thought, well, i could not believe it when i watchetlost the thought, well, i could not believe it when i watchetlost the plot?]ht, well, i could not believe it when i watchetlost the plot? has well, i could not believe it when i watchetlost the plot? has he l, i could not believe it when i watchetlost the plot? has he got has he lost the plot? has he got atzwetwete— has he lost the plot? has he got alzheimer's or— has he lost the plot? has he got alzheimer's or something because of alzheimer's or something because et tte— alzheimer's or something because et wte etee— alzheimer's or something because et we age? wee— alzheimer's or something because of his age? has he— alzheimer's or something because of his age? has he got some wewtet— of his age? has he got some mental illness?— of his age? has he got some mental illness? but it is ewtteoeewe— mental illness? but it is outrageous .— mental illness? but it is outrageous . absolutely outrageous. absolutely outrageous. _ outrageous. absolutely outrageous. you could say, is he a outrageous. you could say, is he e eexwete— outrageous. you could say, is he a sexual? because— outrageous. you could say, is he a sexual? because he's saying the— a sexual? because he's saying the te— a sexual? because he's saying the te etewtwt— a sexual? because he's saying this is playful .— a sexual? because he's saying this is playful . well, not this is playful. well, not teettw— this is playful. well, not teettw .— this is playful. well, not teettw . t— this is playful. well, not really . i mean, the lad. yes. really. i mean, the lad. yes. teet— really. i mean, the lad. yes. just innocent.— really. i mean, the lad. yes. just innocent. oh, can i have a hug?— just innocent. oh, can i have a hug? wee— just innocent. oh, can i have a hug? he's someone famous. but to ewewe— hug? he's someone famous. but to extewt ttet— hug? he's someone famous. but to extend that into— hug? he's someone famous. but to extend that into someone suck my tewewe— extend that into someone suck my tewewe te— extend that into someone suck my tongue is absolutely. i mean, weweettw— tongue is absolutely. i mean, weweettw t— tongue is absolutely. i mean, honestly, i want— tongue is absolutely. i mean, honestly, i want to vomit . i honestly, i want to vomit. i twtwt— honestly, i want to vomit. i twtwt tte— honestly, i want to vomit. i think it's disgusting, but, you twew— think it's disgusting, but, you twew. tte— think it's disgusting, but, you twew. we we— think it's disgusting, but, you know, did he is— think it's disgusting, but, you know, did he is he like this ewwwew— know, did he is he like this ewwwewe wee— know, did he is he like this anyway? has he— know, did he is he like this anyway? has he become like this? the anyway? has he become like this? the poor— anyway? has he become like this? twe poor eee— anyway? has he become like this? the poor person ?_ anyway? has he become like this? the poor person ? i— anyway? has he become like this? the poor person ? i feel so sorry the poor person? i feel so sorry for the poor person? i feel so sorry tet twe— the poor person? i feel so sorry tet twe tew— the poor person? i feel so sorry for the boy because although his teee— for the boy because although his teee wee— for the boy because although his teee wee teew— for the boy because although his face has been blurred out, he's wew— face has been blurred out, he's very identifiable— face has been blurred out, he's very identifiable by everybody

etee— very identifiable by everybody etee tw— very identifiable by everybody etee tw ttet— very identifiable by everybody else in that audience, isn't he? awe— else in that audience, isn't he? awe tw— else in that audience, isn't he? awe t-w ewe— else in that audience, isn't he? and i'm sure the— else in that audience, isn't he? and i'm sure the lad must be ttewwetteet— and i'm sure the lad must be traumatised .— and i'm sure the lad must be traumatised . that's the point. i traumatised. that's the point. i tte— traumatised. that's the point. i mean, it's also— traumatised. that's the point. i mean, it's also because i mean, tte— mean, it's also because i mean, we etee— mean, it's also because i mean, we etee e— mean, it's also because i mean, it's also a religious— mean, it's also because i mean, it's also a religious leader. tte— it's also a religious leader. tt-e wet— it's also a religious leader. tt-e wet teet— it's also a religious leader. it's not just like— it's also a religious leader. it's not just like a- it's also a religious leader. it's not just like a person of authority or anything like that. i mean, trying to put i mean, i was trying to put myself position of that myself in the position of that lad and thinking, what would i have done someone a holy have done if someone like a holy man to me? i think man says that to me? i think maybe have it if i maybe i would have done it if i was age . do you think do was that age. do you think do you think i'd been tempted was that age. do you think do yo haveik i'd been tempted was that age. do you think do yo haveik i'his been tempted was that age. do you think do yo haveik i'his tongue? quite ed to have bit his tongue? quite honestly, yeah, to have bit his tongue? quite honestly,-yeah, there honestly, and say, yeah, there you— honestly, and say, yeah, there wee—wttw- honestly, and say, yeah, there you _with that, l honestly, and say, yeah, there- you _with that, mate. you go. come on with that, mate. ttet— you go. come on with that, mate. ttet wette— you go. come on with that, mate. that would have— you go. come on with that, mate. that would have been— you go. come on with that, mate. that would have been-easy- that would have been an easy story, really . i mean, what do story, really. i mean, what do you— story, really. i mean, what do wee tee— story, really. i mean, what do you tee twe— story, really. i mean, what do you do? the dalai— titetitg ”gluing i mean, what do you do? the dalai lama is there. wew— you do? the dalai lama is there. wee teet— you do? the dalai lama is there. wee twet etwetw— you do? the dalai lama is there. you just simply say,— you do? the dalai lama is there. you just simply say, can i have a you just simply say, can i have e hug?— you just simply say, can i have a hug? because— you just simply say, can i have a hug? because you're young and you a hug? because you're young and wee twew— a hug? because you're young and wee twew wee— a hug? because you're young and you know he's famous and can say dayt— you know he's famous and can say dave ew— you know he's famous and can say dave ew. t— you know he's famous and can say daye en t wee— you know he's famous and can say one day, oh, i hug the dalai tewe— one day, oh, i hug the dalai tewe-tete- one day, oh, i hug the dalai lama _takelto- one day, oh, i hug the dalaii lama _takelto how one day, oh, i hug the dalai- lama _take .to how that lama. but to take it to how that guy— lama. but to take it to how that eew wee— lama. but to take it to how that guy wee tetew— lama. but to take it to how that guy wee tetew tt— lama. but to take it to how that guy has taken it, i— lama. but to take it to how that guy has taken it, i mean , it's guy has taken it, i mean, it's you— guy has taken it, i mean, it's wee eeett— guy has taken it, i mean, it's you could honestly say , does he you could honestly say, does he teet— you could honestly say, does he feel entitled— you could honestly say, does he feel entitled and— you could honestly say, does he feel entitled and hiding behind his feel entitled and hiding behind wte ttttee— feel entitled and hiding behind his title? and— feel entitled and hiding behind his title? and is— feel entitled and hiding behind his title? and is it religious eteee— his title? and is it religious eteee e— his title? and is it religious eteee e t— his title? and is it religious abuse ? i mean,— his title? and is it religious abuse ? i mean, the world i work abuse? i mean, the world i work in abuse? i mean, the world i work tw ttet— abuse? i mean, the world i work tw twet te— abuse? i mean, the world i work tw twet te we— abuse? i mean, the world i work in that to me sends— abuse? i mean, the world i work in that to me sends massive red tteee— in that to me sends massive red tteoe ttwtwo— in that to me sends massive red flags flying completely inappropriate in plain sight. teew— inappropriate in plain sight. teew too. — inappropriate in plain sight. yeah, 100. if— inappropriate in plain sight. yeah, 100. if that- inappropriate in plain sight. yeah, 100. �*" e

yeah, 100. if that was like a headteacher or if that was frankly anyone really, we would now be saying. just very quickly, marilyn , do you think quickly, marilyn, do you think we cancel dalai lama we should cancel the dalai lama 7 we should cancel the dalai lama ? i think so . if we should cancel the dalai lama ? i think so. if you do ? well, i think so. if you do eewetwtwe— ? well, i think so. if you do something like— ? well, i think so. if you do something like that,- ? well, i think so. if you do something like that, i- 7’ �*ftt�*tiee if you do something like that, i mean , an something like that, i mean, an eeeteaw— something like that, i mean, an eeeteow. twe— something like that, i mean, an apology. i've apollo. oh, i'm so eeew.— apology. i've apollo. oh, i'm so eeww. we— apology. i've apollo. oh, i'm so eeww. we eeeteow— apology. i've apollo. oh, i'm so sorry. no apology doesn't cut it. sorry. no apology doesn't cut t. tt— sorry. no apology doesn't cut t. tt wee— sorry. no apology doesn't cut it. it was absolutely inappropriate. outrageous eteoeettwo.— inappropriate. outrageous eteoeettwo. t— inappropriate. outrageous disgusting. i can't find enough wette— disgusting. i can't find enough werte wett— disgusting. i can't find enough words. well, he— disgusting. i can't find enough words. well, he shouldn't wetwtetw— words. well, he shouldn't maintain that— words. well, he shouldn't maintain that post. he should be rewewet— maintain that post. he should be ewewet teew— maintain that post. he should be removed from office . you real removed from office. you real eetrtteet— removed from office. you real spiritual people— removed from office. you real spiritual people do not carry on ute— spiritual people do not carry on ttte ttet— spiritual people do not carry on like that with— spiritual people do not carry on like that with seemingly mean. is like that with seemingly mean. te twee— like that with seemingly mean. te twere e— like that with seemingly mean. is there a religion— like that with seemingly mean. is there a religion now that's eete— is there a religion now that's eete e — is there a religion now that's eete e war,— is there a religion now that's safe ? �*ftt�*tiee is there a religion now that's safe ? safe? well, possibly not. but marilyn , thank you very, very marilyn, thank you very, very much. much appreciated having you on the show. great stuff as even you on the show. great stuff as ever. marilyn hauser, who is the ceo of freedom from abuse. right. christys on right. i'm patrick christys on gb news britain's news channel. plenty more coming up. the queen consort is under after it consort is under fire after it was revealed that she will use an ivory sceptre on the coronation . i'm also going to be coronation. i'm also going to be talking about the doctors strike. and i've got a big debate it better debate about who has it better or off the young or the

or worse off the young or the old patrick christys .

good evening, everybody. patrick christie's here on gb news with you for the next hour. and we start with some breaking news about violence in northern ireland. police petrol bombed at a march there. we'll have more on as it develops. there is on that as it develops. there is the anticipation of much more violence very, very violence coming very, very shortly. so we'll be live from the scene . in other news, the scene. in other news, though, as well, coronation controversy. queen camilla is going to be holding an ivory sceptre . now, that has caused sceptre. now, that has caused people to say, well , this is people to say, well, this is bang order. where the bang out of order. where are the animal rights activists all animal rights activists in all of talking about of this? we'll be talking about that. have avoided it, that. she could have avoided it, though, couldn't she? what do you just tradition you think? is it just tradition and moving on, moving on from all attack labour? all of that sunak attack labour? are than down. are more than doubling down. they tripling down on their they are tripling down on their attacks on rishi sunak. they're going after him personally with

some rather rather vicious tweets and campaign posters. the problem for them is a lot of it isn't 100% true, but hey, there you go. who really cares? moving on, we're also going to be talking about this one. yeah, absolutely. brilliant news for the people of birkenhead. they are going to be in the same are now going to be in the same echelon of people as the taj mahal, pyramids , the great mahal, the pyramids, the great wall china, because birkin wall of china, because birkin had park could well become a unesco heritage site. i will tell you why very, very shortly and get a of as well. and get a load of this as well. i'm to be having i'm also going to be having a big whether or not big debate as to whether or not we in an utterly racist we live in an utterly racist country. the guardian have reported that britain is not racially just all that coming your way and much, much more. it's going to be a busy hour. loads to get your teeth stuck into you there. ladies and gents. gb views a gb news. .uk. do you care whether or not camilla holds an ivory tusk? essentially whilst the king is

undergoing his coronation ? i undergoing his coronation? i also want to know, of course, whether or not you think that we live in a racist country. a new study appears to indicate that we do gb views or gb views .uk. but right now it's your headunes but right now it's your headlines with polly . patrick. headlines with polly. patrick. thank you. good afternoon to wee.— thank you. good afternoon to we twe— thank you. good afternoon to wee. twe tee— thank you. good afternoon to wee. twe tee etew— thank you. good afternoon to you. the top story here on gb wewe— you. the top story here on gb news politicians— you. the top story here on gb news politicians across northern tretewt— news politicians across northern tretewt teve— news politicians across northern ireland have condemned scenes of wetewee— ireland have condemned scenes of wetewee etter— ireland have condemned scenes of violence after police— ireland have condemned scenes of violence after police came under etteet— violence after police came under etteet tw— violence after police came under attack in londonderry was nora tereter— attack in londonderry was nora tereter eter— attack in londonderry was nora forster star wilson and the psni has forster star wilson and the psni wee eeeeetet— forster star wilson and the psni has appealed for— forster star wilson and the psni has appealed for calm after wteettee— has appealed for calm after missiles, including petrol bombs . twreww— missiles, including petrol bombs , were thrown at— missiles, including petrol bombs , were thrown at a— missiles, including petrol bombs , were thrown at a police car tertwe— , were thrown at a police car tertwe ew— , were thrown at a police car during an illegal— during an illegal anti—republican march. the during an illegal— anti—republican march. the force has anti—republican march. the force wee teew— anti—republican march. the force wee teew ew— anti—republican march. the force has been on high— anti—republican march. the force has been on high alert after the tee— has been on high alert after the terrer tweet— has been on high alert after the terror threat was— has been on high alert after the terror threat was raised tettewtwe— terror threat was raised following warnings of possible etteete— following warnings of possible etteete ew — following warnings of possible attacks on officers. the wetewee— attacks on officers. the violence comes ahead of prime trtwteter— violence comes ahead of prime minister rishi _ violence comes ahead of prime minister rishi sunak visit to wetteet— minister rishi sunak visit to belfast tomorrow . he's going to belfast tomorrow. he's going to be belfast tomorrow. he's going to te weettwe— belfast tomorrow. he's going to te weettwe twe— belfast tomorrow. he's going to

be hosting the us— belfast tomorrow. he's going to be hosting the us president joe eteew.— be hosting the us president joe eteew te— be hosting the us president joe biden, to mark— be hosting the us president joe biden, to mark the 25th anniversary— biden, to mark the 25th anniversary of the good friday aoreewewt— anniversary of the good friday aoreewewt .— anniversary of the good friday agreement . and— anniversary of the good friday agreement . and in the united agreement. and in the united stetee.— agreement. and in the united stetee. twe — agreement. and in the united states, five people have been ttttet— states, five people have been ttttet tw— states, five people have been ttttet tw e— states, five people have been killed by a gunman in kentucky ewerttw— killed by a gunman in kentucky ewerttw etter— killed by a gunman in kentucky shortly after confirming the twettewt— shortly after confirming the twettewt tw— shortly after confirming the incident in louisville, local eettee— incident in louisville, local eettee eete— incident in louisville, local police said the— incident in louisville, local police said the attacker had teew— police said the attacker had been neutralised and no longer eeeet— been neutralised and no longer eeeet e— been neutralised and no longer eeeet e tweet— been neutralised and no longer posed a threat to— been neutralised and no longer posed a threat to the public. ste— posed a threat to the public. stx etwer— posed a threat to the public. six other people— posed a threat to the public. six other people are being treetet— six other people are being treetet tw— six other people are being treated in hospital. and wewteetw— treated in hospital. and kentucky governor andy beshear eewe— kentucky governor andy beshear eewe et— kentucky governor andy beshear eewe et teeet— kentucky governor andy beshear says at least one— kentucky governor andy beshear says at least one police officer tweet.— says at least one police officer twteret. — says at least one police officer twteret. t— says at least one police officer was injured. i have- says at least one police officer was injured. ttig says at least one police officer was injured. i was injured. i have a very close friend that didn't make it today and i have another close friend who didn't either. and one who's at the hospital that i hope is going to make it through. i want people to know that while today is a horrific act, i do believe that this is a safe community with officers doing their very best each and every day. and that's what we saw . best each and every day. and that's what we saw. here nhs england says emergency- nhs england says emergency care will be england says emergency care will we erterttteet— england says emergency care will be prioritised during the junior teetere— be prioritised during the junior doctors strike.— be prioritised during the junior doctors strike. the four day wetteet— doctors strike. the four day walkout, which _ doctors strike. the four day walkout, which begins tomorrow werwtwa— walkout, which begins tomorrow morninge te— walkout, which begins tomorrow morning, is being— walkout, which begins tomorrow morning, is being described as

the morning, is being described as twe meet— morning, is being described as the most disruptive industrial eettew— the most disruptive industrial eettew tw— the most disruptive industrial action in nhs— the most disruptive industrial action in nhs history. the teeth— action in nhs history. the teeth teew— action in nhs history. the health body warns the dispute eew— health body warns the dispute eew wttt— health body warns the dispute over pay will mean appointments and over pay will mean appointments ewe eeraerw— over pay will mean appointments ewe eeroerw wttt— over pay will mean appointments and surgery will be— over pay will mean appointments and surgery will be cancelled ewt— and surgery will be cancelled ewt twee-tt— and surgery will be cancelled and there'll be— and surgery will be cancelled and there'll be immense pressure on and there'll be immense pressure ew wetw— and there'll be immense pressure ew tetw etett— and there'll be immense pressure on both staff and— and there'll be immense pressure on both staff and services . on both staff and services. teteer— on both staff and services. teteer eewe— on both staff and services. labour says it— on both staff and services. labour says it plans to launch ete— labour says it plans to launch more ads attacking the prime wtwteter.— more ads attacking the prime minister. the— more ads attacking the prime minister. the next one blaming ww— minister. the next one blaming wtw ter— minister. the next one blaming him for crashing— minister. the next one blaming him for crashing the economy. twe— him for crashing the economy. the teteer— him for crashing the economy. the labour leader has defended the wet— the labour leader has defended the ttret teet— the labour leader has defended the first post targeting rishi sewet— the first post targeting rishi sewet .— the first post targeting rishi sunak , which— the first post targeting rishi sunak , which suggests he doesn't sunak, which suggests he doesn't wewt— sunak, which suggests he doesn't wewt ewtt— sunak, which suggests he doesn't want child sex— sunak, which suggests he doesn't want child sex abusers to go to jail want child sex abusers to go to tett .— want child sex abusers to go to tett . wrtttwe— want child sex abusers to go to tett . wrtttwe tw— want child sex abusers to go to jail . writing in the daily mail, jail. writing in the daily mail, sir jail. writing in the daily mail, str wett— jail. writing in the daily mail, sir keir starmer— jail. writing in the daily mail, sir keir starmer says he makes eeeteotee— sir keir starmer says he makes zero apologies for— sir keir starmer says he makes zero apologies for the ad . zero apologies for the ad. ttet-e— zero apologies for the ad. that's despite— zero apologies for the ad. that's despite criticism from tree— that's despite criticism from he. .— that's despite criticism from mps , including— that's despite criticism from mps , including those from his mps, including those from his eertw— mps, including those from his eertw. wttw— mps, including those from his own party, with lord david etewtett— own party, with lord david blunkett calling it gutter eettttee— blunkett calling it gutter politics. shadow attorney oeweret— politics. shadow attorney general emily— politics. shadow attorney general emily thornberry says the criminal— general emily thornberry says the criminal justice system is teettwe— the criminal justice system is teettwe . — the criminal justice system is teettwo. wer— the criminal justice system is lacking . . : lacking. keir starmer has made it his . he's dedicated his life it his. he's dedicated his life to ensuring that the criminal justice system works properly and he feels very strongly about this and is being very blunt about it. and yeah , we stand by

about it. and yeah, we stand by this. if rishi sunak really wanted to stop child sex offenders from staying out of jail, he could do something about it. but he is not doing anything about it. they are not taking their failures seriously and they should be doing a great deal more than they are now . deal more than they are now. people receiving the state eewetew— people receiving the state pension will— people receiving the state pension will see their payments tw— pension will see their payments increase by 10.1%— pension will see their payments increase by 10.1% from pm today . twe— increase by 10.1% from pm today . the wee— increase by 10.1% from pm today . the move was— increase by 10.1% from pm today . the move was confirmed by the cweweetter— . the move was confirmed by the cweweetter .— . the move was confirmed by the chancellor , jeremy— . the move was confirmed by the chancellor , jeremy hunt, in the chancellor, jeremy hunt, in the aeteww— chancellor, jeremy hunt, in the autumn statement . depending on autumn statement. depending on the eewetew— autumn statement. depending on the pension weekly payments will rise the pension weekly payments will .— the pension weekly payments will . te— the pension weekly payments will rise . to either— the pension weekly payments will rise . to either 156— the pension weekly payments will rise . to either 156 or £203. as rise. to either 156 or £203. as to rise. to either 156 or £203. as te ettwete— rise. to either 156 or £203. as to climate change, protesters teve— to climate change, protesters wewe teew— to climate change, protesters have been arrested afterjumping a have been arrested afterjumping e teeter— have been arrested afterjumping e terrter et— have been arrested afterjumping e terrter et e— have been arrested afterjumping a barrier of a dinosaur displayinti— a barrier of a dinosaur displaying coventry. the just etee— displaying coventry. the just etee ett— displaying coventry. the just stop oil activists entered the exwtttttew— stop oil activists entered the exhibition at— stop oil activists entered the exhibition at the— stop oil activists entered the exhibition at the herbert art eetterw— exhibition at the herbert art eetterw ewt— exhibition at the herbert art gallery and museum before being teettet— gallery and museum before being teettet tw— gallery and museum before being tackled by security— gallery and museum before being tackled by security . the tackled by security. the ereteetere— tackled by security. the protesters named by the group as eewtet— protesters named by the group as eewtet wwew— protesters named by the group as daniel knorr and— protesters named by the group as daniel knorr and victoria ttweett— daniel knorr and victoria linsell, were— daniel knorr and victoria linsell, were arrested on eeeetetew— linsell, were arrested on eeeetetew et— linsell, were arrested on suspicion of causing criminal

teweee— suspicion of causing criminal teweee .— suspicion of causing criminal teweoe . weet— suspicion of causing criminal damage . west midlands police damage. west midlands police eewe— damage. west midlands police eewe tt— damage. west midlands police eewe tt eetzet— damage. west midlands police says it seized two— damage. west midlands police says it seized two large bags of dry says it seized two large bags of trw wetwt— says it seized two large bags of trw eetwt .— says it seized two large bags of trw eetwt . tw— says it seized two large bags of dry paint . in other— says it seized two large bags of dry paint . in other news today , dry paint. in other news today, the wetter— dry paint. in other news today, the mother of— dry paint. in other news today, the mother of two— dry paint. in other news today, the mother of two british tereett — the mother of two british israeli sisters— the mother of two british israeli sisters who were killed in israeli sisters who were killed tw e— israeli sisters who were killed tw e weet— israeli sisters who were killed in a west bank— israeli sisters who were killed in a west bank attack has died in a west bank attack has died tw reenter.— in a west bank attack has died in hospital. she— in a west bank attack has died in hospital. she was travelling wttw— in hospital. she was travelling wttw wer— in hospital. she was travelling with her daughters, maya, and ttwe— with her daughters, maya, and the wte— with her daughters, maya, and rina, who were— with her daughters, maya, and rina, who were 20 and 15 years ett— rina, who were 20 and 15 years ett wwew— rina, who were 20 and 15 years old when their— rina, who were 20 and 15 years old when their car— rina, who were 20 and 15 years old when their car was targeted by a— old when their car was targeted tw e eeeeeetet— old when their car was targeted by a suspected pack justinian eewew— by a suspected pack justinian oewew a— by a suspected pack justinian gunman. a funeral was held for the etetere— gunman. a funeral was held for the sisters on— gunman. a funeral was held for the sisters on friday. may here in the sisters on friday. may here tw twe— the sisters on friday. may here tw the wt.— the sisters on friday. may here in the uk. travel— the sisters on friday. may here in the uk. travel delays are expected— in the uk. travel delays are expected ee— in the uk. travel delays are expected as thousands of people etw— expected as thousands of people etw trew — expected as thousands of people return from their— expected as thousands of people return from their easter oetewewe. — return from their easter getaways. traffic is still tettttwe— getaways. traffic is still tettttwo ee— getaways. traffic is still building up on the roads, making for building up on the roads, making ter e— building up on the roads, making ter e etew— building up on the roads, making for a slow journey— building up on the roads, making for a slow journey home. and the tec— for a slow journey home. and the wee wee— for a slow journey home. and the rac has predicted— for a slow journey home. and the rac has predicted up to 17 wttttew— rac has predicted up to 17 million leisure— rac has predicted up to 17 million leisure trips will have teew— million leisure trips will have teew tetew— million leisure trips will have teew tetew tw— million leisure trips will have been taken by car between good trttew— been taken by car between good trttew ewt— been taken by car between good friday and easter— been taken by car between good friday and easter .— been taken by car between good friday and easter. monday and teet— friday and easter. monday and teet teettw— friday and easter. monday and teet lastlye we— friday and easter. monday and just lastly, new details have teew— just lastly, new details have been unveiled— just lastly, new details have been unveiled about the king's ertewetew— been unveiled about the king's ertewetew .— been unveiled about the king's coronation , including the coronation, including the ereeeeetew— coronation, including the procession route through london . king— procession route through london . king cwertee— procession route through london . king charles and— procession route through london . king charles and the queen eeweew— . king charles and the queen ceweert wttt— . king charles and the queen consort will travel to westminster abbey in the diamond

jubilee— westminster abbey in the diamond retrtee stere— westminster abbey in the diamond jubilee state. coach, that's a weerwt— jubilee state. coach, that's a weerwt etr— jubilee state. coach, that's a modern, air conditioned horse treww— modern, air conditioned horse treww eerrteee— modern, air conditioned horse drawn carriage with electric wtwtewe. — drawn carriage with electric windows. they'll only ride in twe— windows. they'll only ride in the reee— windows. they'll only ride in the less comfortable going eerrteee— the less comfortable going carriage first— the less comfortable going carriage first used in 1831 for king— carriage first used in 1831 for king wttttew.— carriage first used in 1831 for king william, the fourth on there— king william, the fourth on their return— king william, the fourth on their return journey. crown rewete— their return journey. crown tewetewttt— their return journey. crown jewels will also feature during the eewtee— jewels will also feature during the service, including the eeweretew-e— the service, including the sovereign's sceptre, and camilla wttt— sovereign's sceptre, and camilla will contravene— sovereign's sceptre, and camilla will contravene hold. the queen eeweew— will contravene hold. the queen ceweert tad,— will contravene hold. the queen consort rod, which— will contravene hold. the queen consort rod, which is made from wetw— consort rod, which is made from wew .— consort rod, which is made from wew . twte— consort rod, which is made from werw . twte te— consort rod, which is made from ivory . this is gb— consort rod, which is made from ivory . this is gb news more news ivory. this is gb news more news as ivory. this is gb news more news ee tt— ivory. this is gb news more news ee tt eeerewe.— ivory. this is gb news more news as it happens. now— ivory. this is gb news more news as it happens. now back to wetwtet— as it happens. now back to patrick erg— as it happens. now back to patrick erg .— patrick erg. lee.- patrick erg. ”it? patrick erg. . i yes, well, we patrick erg. yes, well, we start in northern ireland. this so ireland. this news broke. not so long police have come long ago. the police have come under fire for drawing an illegal dissident republican march . a number march in londonderry. a number of missiles, including petrol bombs, were thrown at a landrover . that is the scene. or

landrover. that is the scene. or was the scene? i should say there, people letting off fireworks. can see fire in fireworks. you can see fire in the road. we see projectiles fireworks. you can see fire in the ro thrown. see projectiles fireworks. you can see fire in the ro thrown. sthat'ojectiles fireworks. you can see fire in the ro thrown. sthat land les being thrown. and that land rover rather hasty rover making a rather hasty retreat with police officers inside the violence has inside it. now the violence has come on the 25th anniversary of the good agreement , which the good friday agreement, which brought to the troubles brought an end to the troubles in northern ireland. joe biden is set to visit the american president tomorrow. the way, president tomorrow. by the way, in case you're just joining us, he's he's going in case you're just joining us, he be he's going in case you're just joining us, he be again he's going in case you're just joining us, he be again for's going to be running again for president. two stories in president. so two new stories in one there. but here is one for you there. but here is what northern ireland what our northern ireland reporter had reporter dougie beattie had to say these protests, which say about these protests, which which may remind you, are which may i remind you, are expected worse as the expected to get worse as the evening draws on. but this is draghi now at a when you're draghi now at a time when you're when do your training when you do your training in this, will see when the this, you will see when the police get inside the vehicles, they know that there's a ballistic and they ballistic threat and they get away vehicles. as far away from those vehicles. as far as you so those away from those vehicles. as far as you-so those officers- away from those vehicles. as far as you .so those officers in. as you can. so those officers in there— as you can. so those officers in there ee— as you can. so those officers in there are are in— as you can. so those officers in there are are in for— as you can. so those officers in there are are in for a night of it. there are are in for a night of tt.|weett— there are are in for a night of it. would imagine we will know it. i would imagine we will know at it. i would imagine we will know et—ewewtwe- at about 8:00 this evening wwetwer— at about 8:00 this evening whether these— at about 8:00 this evening whether these areas are calming teww— whether these areas are calming teww er— whether these areas are calming teww er wet. — whether these areas are calming down or not. now,— whether these areas are calming down or not. now, this was one of down or not. now, this was one et twe— down or not. now, this was one et twe eeretee— down or not. now, this was one of two parades that were marked as contentious— of two parades that were marked as contentious and— of two parades that were marked as contentious and illegal

eeretee— as contentious and illegal eeretee .— as contentious and illegal parades . there- as contentious and illegal parades . there was as contentious and illegal parades. there was a as contentious and illegal parades . there was a lot of parades. there was a lot of eerewtttterw— parades. there was a lot of paramilitary regalia and so teeth.— paramilitary regalia and so tertw. twee— paramilitary regalia and so forth. there in— paramilitary regalia and so forth. there in this parade. it tetee— forth. there in this parade. it tetee pert— forth. there in this parade. it takes part every— forth. there in this parade. it takes part every it takes place ewew— takes part every it takes place ewerw weer— takes part every it takes place ewerw weer ewt— takes part every it takes place every year and most years. it is eewtewtteee— every year and most years. it is eewtewtteee .— every year and most years. it is contentious . and— every year and most years. it is contentious . and in most years, contentious. and in most years, wetewee— contentious. and in most years, violence comes of— contentious. and in most years, violence comes of it. in fact, teet— violence comes of it. in fact, teet e— violence comes of it. in fact, teet e tew— violence comes of it. in fact, back a few years— violence comes of it. in fact, back a few years ago, lyra mckee teet— back a few years ago, lyra mckee teet wer— back a few years ago, lyra mckee teet wer ttre— back a few years ago, lyra mckee lost her life there. _ back a few years ago, lyra mckee lost her life there. the young reerwettet,— lost her life there. the young journalist, when— lost her life there. the young journalist, when she was etewttwe— journalist, when she was standing beside one of these tewt— standing beside one of these tewt revere— standing beside one of these land rovers that— standing beside one of these land rovers that came under eewttre— land rovers that came under oewttre tw— land rovers that came under gunfire in the— land rovers that came under gunfire in the darkness. and ttet— gunfire in the darkness. and we te— gunfire in the darkness. and we te twe— gunfire in the darkness. and that is the problem here. wetwtet— that is the problem here. patrick. so— that is the problem here. patrick. so as— that is the problem here. patrick. so as as yet, these eteteree— patrick. so as as yet, these eteteree wew— patrick. so as as yet, these pictures may look spectacular ewt— pictures may look spectacular ewt twew— pictures may look spectacular ewe twew wew— pictures may look spectacular and they may look horrifying. eet— and they may look horrifying. wet t— and they may look horrifying. wet t twtwt— and they may look horrifying. but i think we— and they may look horrifying. but i think we hold off and see wwet— but i think we hold off and see wwet eeerewe— but i think we hold off and see what happens in— but i think we hold off and see what happens in around eight, ewee— what happens in around eight, 9:00 onwards— what happens in around eight, 9:00 onwards to— what happens in around eight, 9:00 onwards to see is there reettw— 9:00 onwards to see is there reettw oewo— 9:00 onwards to see is there reettw oetwa te— 9:00 onwards to see is there really going to be a challenge to really going to be a challenge te tweee— really going to be a challenge to these officers?— really going to be a challenge to these officers? yes, indeed. wett— to these officers? yes, indeed. wett we— to these officers? yes, indeed. well we obviously all wish that twee— well we obviously all wish that there tew-t. — well we obviously all wish that there isn't. but— well we obviously all wish that there isn't. but as— well we obviously all wish that there isn't. t”itt; well we obviously all wish that there isn't. j”it; there isn't. but as draghi was saying, potentially in just a couple of hours time, we're expecting things to up expecting things to hot up a little bit. so make sure you keep and ears peeled little bit. so make sure you keep here and ears peeled little bit. so make sure you keep here on and ears peeled little bit. so make sure you keep here on gb nd ears peeled little bit. so make sure you keep here on gb news's peeled little bit. so make sure you keep here on gb news's pewe'll right here on gb news and we'll bnng right here on gb news and we'll bring latest you if bring the latest to you if indeed any. now to the indeed there is any. now to the controversy the controversy surrounding the decision a sceptre made decision to use a sceptre made from in the coronation. gb

from ivory in the coronation. gb news viewers can see the sceptre in question , so it will be held in question, so it will be held by the queen consort during the ceremony. will held by ceremony. so it will be held by camilla. and this sceptre goes way back. okay. so it's not like an elephant recently an elephant has recently been killed or anything killed for its tusks or anything like it was made in like this. no, it was made in 1685 for queen mary of medina, the wife of james, the second who was the first queen consort to participate in a coronation ceremony following the restoration of the monarchy in 1663. so there had been speculation that it would not be used , particularly given prince used, particularly given prince william and king charles is involved in a campaign to stop the illegal trafficking of animal parts such as elephant ivory through his organisation united for wildlife, and as well , camilla has already agreed famously to not use the crown, embellished with this contentious kohinoor diamond for the coronation . in a lot of the coronation. in a lot of other countries, lay claim to this diamond. it's widely regarded as one of the original blood diamonds the world, as blood diamonds in the world, as it joining me now

it were. joining me now to discuss this is ben newman, who's spokesperson for the who's a spokesperson for the group rising . and we've group animal rising. and we've got digory haddock as well, who is a hunting advocate and firearms dealer. thank you very much, both of you. i will start with you, digory, if that's all right . do you think that there right. do you think that there is anything wrong with ivory ? is anything wrong with ivory? well, ivory is simply a well: ivory is simply a material well, ivory is simply a material so well, ivory is simply a material ee tw— well, ivory is simply a material ee tw tw— well, ivory is simply a material ee tw tw terme— well, ivory is simply a material so in in terms of— well, ivory is simply a material so in in terms of what it is as a so in in terms of what it is as etttwa— so in in terms of what it is as e twtwo tweeow— so in in terms of what it is as a thing, though, there's nothing wrewe— a thing, though, there's nothing wrewe wttw— a thing, though, there's nothing wrewo wttw tt— a thing, though, there's nothing wrong with it at— a thing, though, there's nothing wrong with it at all anymore. there-e— wrong with it at all anymore. there's anything— wrong with it at all anymore. there's anything wrong- wrong with it at all anymore. there's anything wrong with leather or or horn or any other or bone or anything else. that's simply a part of an animal. so, no, i don't think there's ewwtwtwo— no, i don't think there's anything wrong with ivory . anything wrong with ivory. otew. — anything wrong with ivory. otew. t-tt— anything wrong with ivory. okayr we get— anything wrong with ivory. okay, i'll get your- anything wrong with ivory. okay, i'll get your views on this. now, ben, you are a spokesperson for the group animal rising . what do you make animal rising. what do you make of this then? the idea that queen camilla could be clutching some ivory as charles is coronated ? yeah well, it coronated? yeah well, it needlessly legitimises killing

an animal. they should be acting as role models. but i think this overall is a fairly small issue of what camilla wears or doesn't wear. but the big issue is how we're treating animals today rather than in the 1600s. most of all in animal farming. so do you have any issues whatsoever with the idea that she's holding this thing? do you think that she should just not do but she should just not do it? but you're actually massively you're not actually massively bothered? shouldn't. bothered? she shouldn't. she shouldn't do it. it's with that an elephant was killed for that. there are still elephants killed for it today . and it's sending for it today. and it's sending completely the wrong signal . so, completely the wrong signal. so, no, she shouldn't do it degree have you ever killed an elephant ? no, but i've been present when teew-we— ? no, but i've been present when twew-we teew— ? no, but i've been present when they've been shot. _ 7’ no, but i've been present when they've been shot. all they've been shot. okay. all wewt.— they've been shot. okay. all wewt. awe— they've been shot. okay. all wewt. awe ee— they've been shot. okay. all right. and are you— they've been shot. all right. and are you morally eeeeeet— right. and are you morally eeeeeet te— right. and are you morally opposed to even with the current wetw— opposed to even with the current wew eet— opposed to even with the current werw eet ttet— opposed to even with the current ivory act that was— opposed to even with the current ivory act that was brought in in zoos,— ivory act that was brought in in zoos. wwtew— ivory act that was brought in in 2008, which is— ivory act that was brought in in 2008, which is a— ivory act that was brought in in 2008, which is a near—total ban on 2008, which is a near—total ban ew twe— 2008, which is a near—total ban on the dealings— 2008, which is a near—total ban on the dealings of— 2008, which is a near—total ban on the dealings of items eewtetwtwe— on the dealings of items containing elephant ivory? do you— containing elephant ivory? do wee eeteettw— containing elephant ivory? do you actually think that there's ewwtwtwe— you actually think that there's ewwtwtwo wrewe— you actually think that there's anything wrong with shooting an eteewewt—

anything wrong with shooting an eteewewt ewt— anything wrong with shooting an elephant and cutting its tusks off elephant and cutting its tusks ett e— elephant and cutting its tusks ett e wett— elephant and cutting its tusks ett e wett tt— elephant and cutting its tusks off ? well it depends elephant and cutting its tusks off? well it depends on elephant and cutting its tusks off ? well it depends on the off? well it depends on the eewtext. — off? well it depends on the eewtext. t— off? well it depends on the context. i mean- off? well it depends on the context. i mean ,- off? well it depends on the context. " context. i mean, elephants are shot by park rangers all the time. and the ivory is often tetew— time. and the ivory is often tetew eet— time. and the ivory is often tetew eet et— time. and the ivory is often taken out of them.- c and the ivory is often taken out of them. and through out taken out of them. and through eet history— taken out of them. and through out history, people have killed wtt— out history, people have killed wild animals— out history, people have killed wild animals and— out history, people have killed wild animals and used their body eeete— wild animals and used their body eerte . — wild animals and used their body eerte . trew— wild animals and used their body parts . every culture— wild animals and used their body parts . ttig i ”ti wild animals and used their body parts . ttig timiii parts. every culture has done it. the romans did it,- parts. ttig timiii c the romans did it, the it. the romans did it, the ereete— it. the romans did it, the ereete tte— it. the romans did it, the greeks did it.— c the romans did it, the greeks did it. the chinese did tt. — greeks did it. the chinese did tt. tte— greeks did it. the chinese did it. the japanese— greeks did it. the chinese did it. the japanese did- greeks did it. the chinese did it. the japanese did it- greeks did it. the chinese did it. t: t: c greeks did it. the chinese did it. c it. the japanese did it. the indians did it. the arabs did it. every, every culture that's ever existed has utilised natural resources. the illegal tweete— natural resources. the illegal trete tw— natural resources. the illegal trade in illegally— ”iii the illegal trade in illegally poached wew. — trade in illegally poached twerw. tw— trade in illegally poached ivory. i'm entirely opposed to of course, like— ivory. i'm entirely opposed to of course, like any right minded eee— of course, like any right minded eee te. — of course, like any right minded eee te. awe— of course, like any right minded person is. and prince- of course, like any right minded person is. ' ft” cc of course, like any right minded person is. ' cc person is. and prince william is quite right to outline that the opposition that we must all have to that illegal trade. but that's nothing to- to that illegal trade. but that's nothing to do- ; : but that's nothing to do with the teget— that's nothing to do with the teeet twe — that's nothing to do with the legal the legal— that's nothing to do with the legal the legal hunting of eteewewte— legal the legal hunting of elephants in— legal the legal hunting of elephants in a— legal the legal hunting of elephants in a licenced way . elephants in a licenced way. newt— elephants in a licenced way. wew. wtee— elephants in a licenced way. wew. wtew ew— elephants in a licenced way. now, when an elephant- elephants in a licenced way. now, when an elephant is hunted legally, it's ivory is generally stamped with a cites number and that person who's hunted that ivory can generally then take it

home. but he's not allowed to ewe— home. but he's not allowed to tire tt— home. but he's not allowed to tire tt ewew— home. but he's not allowed to give it away unless— but he's not allowed to give it away unless he gives it to give it away unless he gives it te e— give it away unless he gives it to a museum. he's— give it away unless he gives it to a museum. he's not allowed to eett— to a museum. he's not allowed to eett tt. — to a museum. he's not allowed to eett tt. se— to a museum. he's not allowed to eett tt. se ewe— to a museum. he's not allowed to sell it. so and that— to a museum. he's not allowed to sell it. it: t:tit sell it. so and that people do check. so it's very, very carefully regulated. ben what do you make of what diggory said there, which is that every culture does stuff like this . culture does stuff like this. we're in 2023 and i'd say in me,— we're in 2023 and i'd say in me, te— we're in 2023 and i'd say in me, te tt— we're in 2023 and i'd say in 2023, is it okay— we're in 2023 and i'd say in 2023, is it okay to harm an ewtwet— 2023, is it okay to harm an ewtwet ter— 2023, is it okay to harm an animal for fun— 2023, is it okay to harm an animal for fun or for food? 't: animal for fun or for food? and ttet-e— animal for fun or for food? and ttet-e ttet-e— animal for fun or for food? and that's that's what— animal for fun or for food? and that's that's what the core of the question is . well, go on, the question is. well, go on, elaborate on that a little bit. i mean, so what would your message to diggory be? do you think just yeah, message to diggory be? do you thicourse just yeah, message to diggory be? do you thicourse . just yeah, message to diggory be? do you thicourse . in just yeah, message to diggory be? do you thicourse . in is just yeah, message to diggory be? do you thicourse . in is it st yeah, message to diggory be? do you thicourse . in is it good yeah, message to diggory be? do you thicourse . in is it good foryeah, of course. in is it good for conservation action? no. no one can seriously say the best way to save animals is to kill them . so yeah, absolutely . hunting . so yeah, absolutely. hunting should stop. do you think animals in any way really should stop? do you also think, ben, if we're just going to tease this out, do you also think that horses be used in the horses shouldn't be used in the coronation procession and stuff like against that? like would you be against that? not just the ivory ? yeah, well, not just the ivory? yeah, well, really, we don't need to be using animals in ways which harm

them for our own for our own purposes when we don't need to. and i think that's most people feel that themselves their in feel that themselves in their in terms values. but terms of their values. but sometimes we don't we don't live up to that. sure but yeah, we shouldn't using animals. shouldn't be using animals. diggory you actually feel as diggory do you actually feel as though maybe to give in to this idea now that camilla shouldn't use this ivory sceptre ? do you use this ivory sceptre? do you think that would be giving into needs loosely so to some kind of new modern woke age where, you know, veganism is on the rise ? know, veganism is on the rise? et cetera. and it would be a move away from tradition . yeah, move away from tradition. yeah, well, it wouldn't be new.- ”itt: yeah, well, it wouldn't be new. we twee— well, it wouldn't be new. we trtet tt— well, it wouldn't be new. we trtet tt wee— well, it wouldn't be new. we tried it has been— well, it wouldn't be new. we tried it has been tried before cwetrwew— tried it has been tried before chairman mao— tried it has been tried before chairman mao during his great teew— chairman mao during his great leap terwert— chairman mao during his great leap forward in— chairman mao during his great leap forward in the cultural tewetettew— leap forward in the cultural revolution ,_ leap forward in the cultural revolution , ian— leap forward in the cultural revolution , ian decided to revolution, ian decided to eeetew— revolution, ian decided to destroy everything from the past that destroy everything from the past twet reeete— destroy everything from the past that people didn't— destroy everything from the past that people didn't like. that wet— that people didn't like. that wet pert— that people didn't like. that wet pert et— that people didn't like. that wasn't part of an— that people didn't like. that wasn't part of an authorised vision for the future. so it's not it's not unique- , tit" so it's not it's not unique that we're eweeewtertwe— not it's not unique that we're encountering people who are etreeettwe— encountering people who are advocating-sort- encountering people who are advocating sort of thing advocating this sort of thing wew— advocating this sort of thing now. now the— advocating this sort of thing now. now the 1685- advocating this sort of thing now. \rtif.t�*tlt�* ti3w i

now. now the 1685 sceptre, that queen camilla is going to going to hold was legally killed by an elephant before 18, before 1685. so by her carrying that no eteewewt— so by her carrying that no eteewewt te— so by her carrying that no elephant is killed, should we abitty— elephant is killed, should we eeetw twte— elephant is killed, should we eeetw twte te— elephant is killed, should we apply this to other things? sweete— apply this to other things? steete we— apply this to other things? should we now— apply this to other things? should we now start- apply this to other things? should we now start destroying things made from ebony ? because things made from ebony? because the ebony trade was linked with the ebony trade was linked with the slave trade? should we destroy things that are made of diamonds? because there are there's a modern problem with conflict diamonds and blood diamonds coming out to apply this sort of non sensical thinking backwards in history because things perhaps were were were brought or taken or conquered in historical context and trying to make that somehow culpable now just doesn't make any sense . but ben, the fact is, any sense. but ben, the fact is, the— any sense. but ben, the fact is, the twtwe— any sense. but ben, the fact is, this thing exists— any sense. but ben, the fact is, this thing exists and— ext but ben, the fact is, this thing exists and has ewetew— this thing exists and has existed since— this thing exists and has existed since 1685. what would you existed since 1685. what would wee te— existed since 1685. what would wee te wttw— existed since 1685. what would wee te wttw tte— existed since 1685. what would you do with it? even if you eew-t— you do with it? even if you eew-t twtwt— you do with it? even if you don't think that- you do with it? even if you don't think that camilla should be don't think that camilla should tee wetttwe— don't think that camilla should tee wetttwe tt— don't think that camilla should be holding it on— don't think that camilla should be holding it on the big day, wwet— be holding it on the big day, wwet weett— be holding it on the big day, what would you— be holding it on the big day, what would you do with it? well, i what would you do with it? well, t eew-t— what would you do with it? well, t eew-t twew— what would you do with it? well, i don't know where— what would you do with it? well,

i don't know where she normally keep5_ i don't know where she normally teeee i,— i don't know where she normally teeee tt. tet— i don't know where she normally keeps it, but i'll— i don't know where she normally keeps it, but i'll be— i don't know where she normally keeps it, but i'll be frank. tte— keeps it, but i'll be frank. tt-e wet— keeps it, but i'll be frank. tt-e wet tt— keeps it, but i'll be frank. it's not it is— keeps it, but i'll be frank. it's not it is not- keeps it, but i'll be frank. it's not it is not this isn't going— it's not it is not this isn't oetwa te— it's not it is not this isn't oetwa te te— it's not it is not this isn't going to be the big issue, which wwtew— going to be the big issue, which which divides— going to be the big issue, which which divides society, whether or which divides society, whether er wet— which divides society, whether er wet ewe— which divides society, whether or not she should— which divides society, whether or not she should be carrying ttet— or not she should be carrying twet eeeretwe— or not she should be carrying that sceptre or— or not she should be carrying that sceptre or not. but the meet— that sceptre or not. but the much more interesting topic is wew— much more interesting topic is wew we— much more interesting topic is wew we treet— much more interesting topic is how we treat animals in general ewt— how we treat animals in general ewt weet— how we treat animals in general ewt weet et— how we treat animals in general and most of all— how we treat animals in general and most of all in— how we treat animals in general and most of all in animal terwtwe— and most of all in animal terwtwo ewt— and most of all in animal farming and that's where do do you— farming and that's where do do wee tttwt— farming and that's where do do wee twtwt. eew.— farming and that's where do do you think, ben, just just the ttwet— you think, ben, just just the ttwet were— you think, ben, just just the final word to— you think, ben, just just the final word to you, ben. you you think, ben, just just the final that to you, ben. you you think, ben, just just the final that the iou, ben. you you think, ben, just just the final that the biggern. you you think, ben, just just the final that the bigger issue you you think, ben, just just the final that the bigger issue here think that the bigger issue here is think that the bigger issue here te ttet— think that the bigger issue here te twet wwet— think that the bigger issue here is that what for— think that the bigger issue here is that what for you , the royal is that what for you, the royal family— is that what for you, the royal tewttw. ee— is that what for you, the royal family, are animal rights teeee— family, are animal rights abusers . bad— family, are animal rights abusers. bad i family, are animal rights abusers . bad i mean, that's i abusers. bad i mean, that's i eew-t— abusers. bad i mean, that's i eew-t twew— abusers. bad i mean, that's i eew-t twew. t— abusers. bad i mean, that's i don't know. i didn't i didn't say— don't know. i didn't i didn't eew ttet— don't know. i didn't i didn't eew twet et— don't know. i didn't i didn't say that at all.— don't know. i didn't i didn't say that at all. but no, i'm eettwe— say that at all. but no, i'm eettwo wee. — say that at all. but no, i'm asking you. they need to be role wetete— asking you. they need to be role wetete ewt— asking you. they need to be role models and showing that we're a eeewtrw— models and showing that we're a eeewtrw et— models and showing that we're a country of compassion and ttwtweee— country of compassion and kindness and— country of compassion and kindness and not encouraging wewttwe— kindness and not encouraging hunting animals— kindness and not encouraging hunting animals just for fun . hunting animals just for fun. etew.— hunting animals just for fun. etew. att— hunting animals just for fun. okay. all right.— hunting animals just for fun. okay. all right. good stuff. now eeew.— okay. all right. good stuff. now eerrw. teet— okay. all right. good stuff. now sorry. just before— okay. all right. good stuff. now sorry. just before i— okay. all right. good stuff. now sorry. just before i let you get going,— sorry. just before i let you get oetwo twte— sorry. just before i let you get getwo twte te— sorry. just before i let you get going, this is your— sorry. just before i let you get going, this is your animal wetwte— going, this is your animal rtetwo eew.— going, this is your animal rising, ben. and i understand ttet— rising, ben. and i understand ttet-were— rising, ben. and i understand that-were the— rising, ben. and i understand that were the artist that you were the artist terwertw— that you were the artist formerly known as animal ttetetttew— formerly known as animal ttetetttew .— formerly known as animal rebellion . is— formerly known as animal rebellion . is that right? rebellion. is that right? but twee-e— rebellion. is that right? but there's-change- rebellion. is that right? but there's change at there's been a change at the tee.— there's been a change at the tee—ewe- there's been a change at the tee—ewe yeahl top. what's going on? yeah eeweet se— top. what's going on? yeah correct. so we— top. what's going on? yeah correct. so we were born out of

extinction. rebellion but our focus on how extinction. rebellion but our focus-on how-treat- extinction. rebellion but our- focuslon how-treat animals focus is on how we treat animals , focus is on how we treat animals r-in_ focus is on how we treat animals ,-rn-ra.mrng- focus is on how we treat animals ,-rn-ra.mrng ewt| , mostly in animal farming and wew— , mostly in animal farming and how-devouring— , mostly in animal farming and how devouring the planet. how it's devouring the planet. awe— how it's devouring the planet. awe-etewaee— how it's devouring the planet. and-changed change- how it's devouring the planet. and-changed change the. how it's devouring the planet. and changed change the name. and we changed change the name. to be able to that . okay, so to be able to do that. okay, so i whether or to be able to do that. okay, so i-whether or not- to be able to do that. okay, so i-whether or not there'si i wonder whether or not there's a i wonder whether or not there's e ttttte — i wonder whether or not there's e ttttte ett— i wonder whether or not there's a little bit of— i wonder whether or not there's a little bit of television wteterw— a little bit of television history here _ a little bit of television history here because i think did you announce this— history here because i think did you announce this at you announce this change at wtttewe— you announce this change at midday? 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£18-cocktail- thing. but actually they spend £18-cocktail bar- thing. but actually they spend £18 cocktail bar every £18 a rooftop cocktail bar every erwete— £18 a rooftop cocktail bar every erwete-ewt— £18 a rooftop cocktail bar every single and whatever else single day and do whatever else wttw—wel with their money as well. no, tet— with their money as well. no, tet-eet— with their money as well. no, tet-eet ew- with their money as well. no, but-out on this- with their money as well. no, but out on this today. but hear me out on this today. were— but hear me out on this today. were twew— but hear me out on this today. were twew rz— but hear me out on this today. more than 12 million people reeewet— more than 12 million people reeetwet e— more than 12 million people received a 10%_ more than 12 million people received a 10% package. sorry, rare.— received a 10% package. sorry, rerw rewe— received a 10% package. sorry, rerw jump tw— received a 10% package. sorry, 10.1% jump in their state eewetew— 10.1% jump in their state eewetew ee— 10.1% jump in their state pension as part of the so—called terete— pension as part of the so—called trtete teet. — pension as part of the so—called triple lock. and— pension as part of the so—called triple lock. and the— pension as part of the so—called triple lock. and the increase is wertw— triple lock. and the increase is wertw etweet— triple lock. and the increase is worth almost £19— triple lock. and the increase is worth almost £19 a week. the triple— worth almost £19 a week. the trtete teet— worth almost £19 a week. the triple lock was— worth almost £19 a week. the triple lock was suspended last weer— triple lock was suspended last weer tw— triple lock was suspended last weer tw twe— triple lock was suspended last year in the wake— triple lock was suspended last year in the wake of the eewtewte— year in the wake of the pandemic, but some are beginning to pandemic, but some are beginning te reeetew— pandemic, but some are beginning te eeeettew tt— pandemic, but some are beginning to question if old— pandemic, but some are beginning to question if old people are oetttwe— to question if old people are aetttwo tee— to question if old people are getting too much as the younger eewerettew— getting too much as the younger generation struggles with etetewt— generation struggles with student debt— generation struggles with student debt and trying to get on student debt and trying to get ew twe— student debt and trying to get on the housing— student debt and trying to get on the housing ladder. it's controversial— on the housing ladder. it's controversial topic. we're going to controversial topic. we're going teltt— controversial topic. we're going telttwttw— controversial topic. we're going teltt wttw we— controversial topic. we're going to.it with me now- controversial topic. we're going to it with me now is to do it with me now is eetttteet— to do it with me now is political commentator anna weeewerw— political commentator anna weeewerw .— political commentator anna mcgovern . anna, you very mcgovern. anna, thank you very weew. — mcgovern. anna, thank you very weew. _twteet- mcgovern. anna, thank you very much. indeed young. what much. you are indeed young. what do much. you are indeed young. what rte-et— much. you are indeed young. what rte-er twte— much. you are indeed young. what rte-er the e— much. you are indeed young. what rte-er the e tee- much. you are indeed young. what do-of this ? do you- do you make of this? do you twtwt— do you make of this? do you think-pensioners- do you make of this? do you think pensioners are getting do you make of this? do you thinmuch?tensioners are getting do you make of this? do you thinmuch? as;ioners are getting do you make of this? do you thinmuch? as atners are getting do you make of this? do you thin much? as a youngre getting do you make of this? do you thinmuch? as a young asjetting do you make of this? do you thin much? as a young as the ng too much? as a young as the weree— too much? as a young as the et— too much? as a young as the et weewe— too much? as a young as the voice of young people everywhere e — voice of young people everywhere e twent— voice of young people everywhere now ? thank you.— voice of young people everywhere now ? thank you. i— voice of young people everywhere now ? thank you. i think- voice of young people everywhere now ? now? thank you. i think that thatis now? thank you. i think that that is very high in terms of like a triple lock rate . and i like a triple lock rate. and i think for young people, the big problem is the fact that they're going to be footing the bill and, you know, in terms of that, you know , with the of you know, with the cost of living crisis , everything's

living crisis, everything's getting more expensive . taxes getting more expensive. taxes are at all time high. and are at an all time high. and i think that rather than getting your grandpa to rely on the state on state handouts, why shouldn't we be helping by trying to support our grandparents instead rather than having them depend on the state? because i think especially for having something like that a rate so high, i just think it's absolutely insane. i understand twe— absolutely insane. i understand the tet— absolutely insane. i understand the tet tet— absolutely insane. i understand the tet tet e— absolutely insane. i understand this, but but a lot— absolutely insane. i understand this, but but a lot of— absolutely insane. i understand this, but but a lot of old- this, but but a lot of old reeete— this, but but a lot of old people might- this, but but a lot of old people might not have relatives . they— people might not have relatives . twew wttwt— people might not have relatives . they might not— people might not have relatives . they might not have relatives. they— . they might not have relatives. they _ relatives, - they talk to their relatives, wteet— they talk to their relatives, might-different- they talk to their relatives, might different country. might be in a different country. young— might be in a different country. young-“ke— might be in a different country. young-like-might young people like yourself might teete— young people like yourself might eewee-ewt— young people like yourself might decide and emigrate decide to go and emigrate to aeetrette— decide to go and emigrate to australia—nhs. decide to go and emigrate to. australia—nhs will australia because the nhs will pay you— australia because the nhs will eew wee twee— australia because the nhs will pay you three times as much over there— pay you three times as much over there twew— pay you three times as much over there twew tt— pay you three times as much over there than it-over_ pay you three times as much over there than it over here. there than it does over here. awe— there than it does over here. awe-wttwt— there than it does over here. awe-wttwt-te- there than it does over here. and might be able there than it does over here. - and-might-be able now and they might not be able now weee— and they might not be able now teeeeee—te- and they might not be able now because _to-andl because of their age, to go and get because of their age, to go and eet—ee— because of their age, to go and eet—se twew-re- get another job. so they're tenet.— get another job. so they're treeeet. wttw— get another job. so they're trapped. with inflation rising tte— trapped. with inflation rising tree ere— trapped. with inflation rising tree ere e— trapped. with inflation rising erg £19 a week. it's not a huge ewt— erg £19 a week. it's not a huge wt et— erg £19 a week. it's not a huge amount of money.— erg £19 a week. it's not a huge amount of money. don't they teeewe— amount of money. don't they teeewe tte— amount of money. don't they deserve it? they've they've ewew— deserve it? they've they've ewew-ttre— deserve it? they've they've given-life- - deserve it? they've they've given-life . well- deserve it? they've they've given life . �*tittticc �*" deserve it? they've they've- given-life . well , first of given you life. well, first of all, i think £19 on top of all the other tax rises is very high given that other taxes are going up as well. and i don't think

that we should be having like pensioners, for example, i don't think that they should be having to fully depend on the state. i think it's actually it's just a dangen think it's actually it's just a danger. very dangerous and danger. it's very dangerous and it's quite sad really. and i think that if, it's quite sad really. and i think that if , for example, think that if, for example, i think that if, for example, i think that if, for example, i think that we should actually be having maybe charity to step in for pensioners who may need a bit of help rather than having them rely fully on the state. because i think for a lot of young people, it's going to be them footing the bill them who are footing the bill and getting lot and everything's getting a lot more expensive. young more expensive. those young people even able to people who aren't even able to afford to a house or even, afford to buy a house or even, you know, they're struggling to afford to buy a house or even, you their, they're struggling to afford to buy a house or even, you their own y're struggling to afford to buy a house or even, you their own bills. ruggling to afford to buy a house or even, you their own bills. they're] to pay their own bills. they're struggling to keep with struggling to keep up with the amount going to rise amount that tax is going to rise and to continue rise and is going to continue to rise . very bad that . so i think it's very bad that , you know, we're sort of the ones having to foot ones that then having to foot this bill on top of that as well. what would you anna? well. what would you say, anna? and playing devil's and i'm just playing devil's etweeete— and i'm just playing devil's advocate certainly am advocate here. i certainly am wet— advocate here. i certainly am wet wewwe— advocate here. i certainly am wet wewwe e— advocate here. i certainly am not having a go.— advocate here. i certainly am not having a go. i- advocate here. i certainly am not having a go. i interview wetw— not having a go. i interview werw reoetertw. — not having a go. i interview very regularly. don't to very regularly. i don't want to eee-wewt- very regularly. i don't want to see _would you- very regularly. i don't want to see would you say? very regularly. i don't want to- see _would you say? what see me. what would you say? what weett— see me. what would you say? what weett wee— see me. what would you say? what weett wee eew— see me. what would you say? what weett wee eew tt— see me. what would you say? what would you say if people said, eeew—

would you say if people said, eeew-wee— would you say if people said, gosh,-you sound- would you say if people said, gosh, you sound like a very gosh, you you sound like a very self—entitled— gosh, you you sound like a very self—entitled young person now you self—entitled young person now wee wewt— self—entitled young person now wee wewt te— self—entitled young person now you want to have— self—entitled young person now you want to have it all. what weett— you want to have it all. what weett wee— you want to have it all. what weett wee eew— you want to have it all. what would you say to— you want to have it all. what would you say to someone who eewe— would you say to someone who eewe ttet— would you say to someone who eewe twet wwew — would you say to someone who says that when you're saying ttet— says that when you're saying ttet-ett— says that when you're saying that-old the— says that when you're saying that old the oldies don't that the old the oldies don't teeewe— that the old the oldies don't teeewe e— that the old the oldies don't deserve a pension pay rise ? deserve a pension pay rise? i'm saying— deserve a pension pay rise? i'm eewtwa ttet— deserve a pension pay rise? i'm eewtwa ttet we— deserve a pension pay rise? i'm saying that we should be helping support pensioners . like, for support pensioners. like, for example, support pensioners. like, for erewere, ww— like, for example, my grandmother, she's wetewtwe— example, my grandmother, she's wetewtwo wewt— example, my grandmother, she's watching right now very much teve— watching right now very much tewe wer— watching right now very much tewe wer ewt— watching right now very much love her and would do anything to love her and would do anything te eeweew— love her and would do anything te eeweew ww— love her and would do anything to support my own family and eeeettw— to support my own family and eeeettw t— to support my own family and equally i think— to support my own family and equally i think what we should be equally i think what we should tee tetwe— equally i think what we should tee tetwe te— equally i think what we should be doing is giving our own orewteerewte— be doing is giving our own grandparents our support as wet.— grandparents our support as war, wetter— grandparents our support as well, rather than having them teeewtewt— well, rather than having them dependent-the— well, rather than having them dependent the state. and for dependent on the state. and for weee-t— dependent on the state. and for weee-t twe- dependent on the state. and for me,-lee i've put- dependent on the state. and for me, lee i've put myself me, personal lee i've put myself twreeew— me, personal lee i've put myself tweeter-.— me, personal lee i've put myself twreeew-. t— me, personal lee i've put myself through-. i worked- through university. i worked eevet— through university. i worked several-and— through university. i worked several-and i- through university. i worked several and i would say several jobs and i would say ttet— several jobs and i would say we tw— several jobs and i would say we t-w verv— several jobs and i would say that i'm very hard working and i eew-t— that i'm very hard working and i eew-t expect— that i'm very hard working and i don't expect anyone to help me eet.— don't expect anyone to help me eet. ee— don't expect anyone to help me eet. seltew-t— don't expect anyone to help me out. soidon't think— don't expect anyone to help me out. so don't think that in out. so i don't think that in twe— out. so i don't think that in the ee— out. so i don't think that in the same-that- out. so i don't think that in the same that young people the same way that young people ereete— the same way that young people eweew—eew- the same way that young people eweew—eew eeewi should be expected to pay such a wret— should be expected to pay such a wow tex— should be expected to pay such a high tax threshold,— should be expected to pay such a high tax threshold, high for eeeeetettw— high tax threshold, high for especially where everything is etreetw— especially where everything is etreetw going— especially where everything is already going up as it is. teew.— already going up as it is. look, thank— already going up as it is. look, thank you - already going up as it is. look, thank you very,- already going up as it is. look, thank you very, very much. i really do appreciate your time. and by the way, can i just say, as well, i've been banging the for this, which is i do the drum for this, which is i do think society, one think that as a society, one thing i think the british

thing that i think the british society from some society could learn from some other actually is the society could learn from some othethat actually is the society could learn from some othethat they actually is the society could learn from some othethat they care ally is the society could learn from some othethat they care for' is the society could learn from some othethat they care for theire society could learn from some othethat they care for their old way that they care for their old people. is not uncommon at people. it is not uncommon at all lot of societies to all in a lot of societies to have grandma living with you, to have grandma living with you, to have the in law living have the mother in law living with might more with you, which might be more appealing to some people than others. stuff others. but all of this stuff and maybe that is maybe that is something could improve something that we could improve on. anna great stuff. thank you. aidan mcgivern political commentator this of commentator and for this sake of this piece working token young person well . anyway, labour person as well. anyway, labour are to continue their are planning to continue their social attacking social media campaign attacking rishi sunak and it really is an attack on him actually. but is it going to work? okay then . it going to work? okay then. frankly, making up stuff frankly, making up some stuff that isn't true. but the point is, is it actually going to stick ? are people going to go stick? are people going to go out on election day and remember this going to be this stuff? i'm going to be analysing whether or not labour's tactic analysing whether or not labcwork tactic analysing whether or not labcwork . tactic analysing whether or not labcwork . i'm tactic analysing whether or not labcwork . i'm patricktactic analysing whether or not labcwork . i'm patrick christys will work. i'm patrick christys on gb news britain's news

channel okay . welcome back, everybody. okay. welcome back, everybody. it's patrick christys here on gb news. i've got loads coming your way. we are going to be talking shortly quote shortly about labour's quote attack on on rishi sunak the sunak attack. they vowed to double down triple down on this campaign going after him and it did kick off last week didn't it, by saying basically rishi sunak doesn't care about sending to prison. and thought that to prison. and i thought that was bizarre because. was really bizarre because. well, mean, obviously does. well, i mean, he obviously does. right? that. but then right? so there's that. but then also it's the fact that rishi sunak banker sunak was an investment banker when the sentencing when things like the sentencing guidelines were drawn up , guidelines were being drawn up, whereas was whereas keir starmer was actually in a position to have changed things or helped to have sent people to prison. and i wonder whether or not all of this stuff going to stick. this stuff is going to stick. and you not think and do you not think it's fascinating that instead of just going tories, which going after the tories, which they could do, labour, labour could very could do this, they could very easily well , tories easily say, well, the tories have enough people in have not put enough people in prison. tories have quotes prison. the tories have quotes crushed economy. tories crushed the economy. the tories have this. but instead of have done this. but instead of that they're going after rishi

sunak. that they're going after rishi sunak . and i think that that sunak. and i think that that indicates that there may be a bit rattled by him because if you look at the personal approval okay, the approval ratings, okay, the tories trailing labour in tories are trailing labour in the polls as a party. but when you look at the personal approval ratings of sunak approval ratings of rishi sunak and starmer , they're very, and keir starmer, they're very, very and i think there is very close. and i think there is a concerted effort try to a concerted effort to try to actually do damage. okay. actually do him damage. okay. they're to they're perfectly entitled to it. it's politics. it's rough and tumble. there's question and tumble. there's no question about people have about that. a lot of people have said politics. said it's gutter politics. it's the the sewer . i'm the politics of the sewer. i'm just not sure i believe in any of be honest of that anymore, to be honest with that it is with you. i think that it is fair game. the only point would be that factually be that it's factually inaccurate and might back inaccurate and might come back to labour, but get your inaccurate and might come back to coming. but get your inaccurate and might come back to coming in.it get your inaccurate and might come back to coming in. gb at your inaccurate and might come back to coming in. gb views' inaccurate and might come back to coming in. gb views at gb views coming in. gb views at gb news. .uk. i must say there is a huge of reaction to the huge amount of reaction to the pension i had earlier pension discussion i had earlier on. course, pensioners now on. of course, pensioners now are see 10.1% are going to see a 10.1% increase their pension increase to their state pension . so a lot of you very quick to point can't live point out that you can't live off state they say point out that you can't live off viewsate they say point out that you can't live off views at they say point out that you can't live off views at gbnews.ukiey say point out that you can't live off views at gbnews.uk .y say point out that you can't live off views at gbnews.uk . hi ay gb views at gbnews.uk. hi patrick, please can you point out the young person that out to the young person that you've it the you've got on it was the wonderful mayer government, you've got on it was the wo the 'ful mayer government, you've got on it was the wo the way, mayer government, you've got on it was the wo the way, thatmayer government, you've got on it was the wo the way, thatmayecan't ernment,

you've got on it was the wo the way, thatmayecan't liveient, by the way, that you can't live off pension and a 10% off the state pension and a 10% rise great. but, but rise is great. but but, but given that inflation has been around a 10.4, it's not going to make a blind bit of difference. carol says that the 10% pay rise is in interest rises is great. i'm 65 this year. these people have worked all their lives for this. benefits are also increasing, which i don't agree with. so there we go. right okay. now back to this labour story because they are planning to launch adverts , more to launch more adverts, more adverts attacking the prime minister rishi sunak the next one blaming for quotes, one blaming him for quotes, crushing so the crushing the economy. so the labour leader has defended the first post targeting rishi sunak, suggested that he sunak, which suggested that he doesn't sex abusers doesn't want child sex abusers to to jail. writing in the to go to jail. writing in the daily mail, sir keir starmer says zero apologies for says he makes zero apologies for the . but that's despite the advert. but that's despite massive, criticism , massive, massive criticism, including lord david blunkett calling it gutter politics. but is this tactic actually going to work? i'm joined now by a psychologist, honey lancaster james. and i wanted to talk about the human psychology of all of this. thank you very much

. now, that is a lie. what labouris . now, that is a lie. what labour is doing at the minute is putting out lies because rishi sunak does want to go to prison and it is not his responsibility that the economy crashed a bit. so people know this . do you so people know this. do you think though, that this labour campaign targeting him directly will actually stick . well, the will actually stick. well, the truth of will actually stick. well, the tretw et twe— will actually stick. well, the truth of the situation- ii i ti.

of people out there. and i personally think it's quite insulting to voters, to people insulting to voters, to people in general . well, to start sort in general. well, to start sort of in general. well, to start sort et eetwe— in general. well, to start sort et eetwa twtwae— in general. well, to start sort of using things like- " t;ti well, to start sort of using things like this to try to of using things like this to try te eereeete— of using things like this to try to persuade people one way or the ether — to persuade people one way or the other. yeah.— to persuade people one way or the other. yeah. in— to persuade people one way or the other. yeah. in terms of whether— the other. yeah. in terms of wwetwer tt— the other. yeah. in terms of whether it has— the other. yeah. in terms of whether it has an impact . but whether it has an impact. but it's interesting— whether it has an impact. but it's interesting because i think not it's interesting because i think wet ewtw— it's interesting because i think wet ewtw teee— it's interesting because i think not only does it— it's interesting because i think not only does it have an impact on not only does it have an impact ew reeete— not only does it have an impact ew peepte ewt— not only does it have an impact on people and their perception of on people and their perception et tttterewt— on people and their perception of different political figures , of different political figures, but of different political figures, tet ee— of different political figures, tet ee e— of different political figures, but as a psychologist, i work verv— but as a psychologist, i work verw weet— but as a psychologist, i work verw weew tw— but as a psychologist, i work verw weew tw e— but as a psychologist, i work very much in a very niche area. i very much in a very niche area. twert— very much in a very niche area. twert wttw— very much in a very niche area. i work with public— very much in a very niche area. i work with public figures, peepte— i work with public figures, peepte wte— i work with public figures, people who live or work in the eeete— people who live or work in the eettte eyew— people who live or work in the eettte eyee ewt— people who live or work in the public eye, and i— people who live or work in the public eye, and i can tell you ttet— public eye, and i can tell you we twtwee— public eye, and i can tell you that things like— public eye, and i can tell you that things like this has a big tweeet— that things like this has a big tweeet ew— that things like this has a big tweeet ew twe— that things like this has a big impact on the people that it's teraettwe— impact on the people that it's teraettwo ee— impact on the people that it's targeting as well. and wherever you targeting as well. and wherever wee etewt— targeting as well. and wherever wee etewt ew— targeting as well. and wherever you stand on the— targeting as well. and wherever you stand on the political eeeetrew — you stand on the political eeeetrew te— you stand on the political spectrum is irrelevant, really. we spectrum is irrelevant, really. we ee— spectrum is irrelevant, really. we are talking— spectrum is irrelevant, really. we are talking about human betwee— we are talking about human tetwoe tettwe— we are talking about human beings taking public office. and wwet— beings taking public office. and wwet reettw— beings taking public office. and what really worries me more than ewwtwtwe— what really worries me more than ewwtwtwe te— what really worries me more than anything is where— what really worries me more than anything is where does this kind of anything is where does this kind et eettttee— anything is where does this kind of politics stop? _ anything is where does this kind of politics stop? eventually we're going to have a situation where nobody with kind of, you know, good sense and perhaps would be a good pair of hands to

put our country in. is ever going to stand— put our country in. is ever going to stand up- i " is ever going to stand up and kind of put themselves— going to stand up and kind of put themselves in these eeetttewe— put themselves in these positions if— put themselves in these positions if they're going to be vtettwe— positions if they're going to be vtettwe et— positions if they're going to be victims of this— positions if they're going to be victims of this kind of attack. teettw— victims of this kind of attack. rteettw ttet-e— victims of this kind of attack. really that's what worries me twe — really that's what worries me across the across— really that's what worries me across the across all parties. veet. — across the across all parties. veet. cer— across the across all parties. veet. cew t— across the across all parties. yeah. can i ask— across the across all parties. yeah. can i ask you- across the across all parties. yeah. can i ask you to- across the across all parties. yeah. can i ask you to just hold on the line for me quickly? is that all right? i've just got a little bit of breaking news that i go to and i'll return i need to go to and i'll return back to you. israeli british rabbi lost two rabbi leo dodi, who lost two daughters bank daughters in a west bank shooting, the shooting, is speaking in the jewish settlement of efrat right now after his wife lucy. sadly who was seriously wounded in friday's attack, passed away today. believe can just today. i believe we can just take a little bit of this live now bullet hole and now car with a bullet hole and suitcases back with suitcases on the back seat with blood on the suitcases were definitely ours . i blood on the suitcases were definitely ours. i immediately terwet— definitely ours. i immediately turned around— definitely ours. i immediately turned around .— definitely ours. i immediately turned around . i— t;ti " cticyt i immediately turned around . i drove like turned around. i drove like a rewete— turned around. i drove like a tewette te— turned around. i drove like a lunatic to the— turned around. i drove like a lunatic to the camera junction. we lunatic to the camera junction. we get— lunatic to the camera junction. we get there— lunatic to the camera junction. we got there at— lunatic to the camera junction. we got there at 1230. ti.ti we got there at 1230. the police wouldn't let us see the car. and by this point, we knew that the two younger girls had been killed by a terrorist with an automatic kalashnikov rifle. 20

bullets and the older woman, the eteter— bullets and the older woman, the etter wewew— bullets and the older woman, the older woman had— bullets and the older woman, the older woman had been airlifted to older woman had been airlifted te weteeeew— older woman had been airlifted to hadassah ein— older woman had been airlifted to hadassah ein kerem hospital in to hadassah ein kerem hospital tw rereeetew— to hadassah ein kerem hospital tw rereeetew . — to hadassah ein kerem hospital in jerusalem . i— to hadassah ein kerem hospital in jerusalem . : in jerusalem. i wanted to be with lucy in the hospital, but we couldn't believe that this was our car until we saw our family. so so i wanted to see the girls, or at least the car for myself . after what seemed for myself. after what seemed twe— for myself. after what seemed ttte e— for myself. after what seemed like a lifetime— for myself. after what seemed like a lifetime ,_ for myself. after what seemed like a lifetime, it— after what seemed like a lifetime , it was actually like a lifetime, it was actually twee— like a lifetime, it was actually three lifetimes. _ like a lifetime, it was actually three lifetimes. i— like a lifetime, it was actually three lifetimes. i convinced twew — three lifetimes. i convinced twew te— three lifetimes. i convinced them to bring— three lifetimes. i convinced them to bring us an id card that trew-t— them to bring us an id card that twew-t reeeeet— them to bring us an id card that they'd rescued from the scene. it they'd rescued from the scene. tt wee— they'd rescued from the scene. tt wewe-e.— they'd rescued from the scene. tt wewe-e. t— they'd rescued from the scene. it was maya's. i went numb. i etew-t— it was maya's. i went numb. i went erw— it was maya's. i went numb. i went erw wet— it was maya's. i went numb. i went erw wet .— it was maya's. i went numb. i went erw wet . t— it was maya's. i went numb. i didn't cry yet. i was- it was maya's. i went numb. i didn't cry yet . i was highly didn't cry yet. i was highly rational. i went back to the car and i drove another hour and a half straight to the hospital . half straight to the hospital. lucy had had two bullets. one through her brain stem and one lodged at the top of her spine . lodged at the top of her spine. there was an operation . there there was an operation. there was reason for hope,- there was an operation. there was reason for hope, but- v?" tit" there was reason for hope, but alas, tewttw— was reason for hope, but alas, tewttw et— was reason for hope, but alas, our family of seven is now a tewttw— our family of seven is now a tewttw et— our family of seven is now a family of four. _ our family of seven is now a family of four. today is the ttret— family of four. today is the ttret twe— family of four. today is the first time that— family of four. today is the first time that the three teettvete— first time that the three festivals of _ first time that the three festivals of pesach , easter and

festivals of pesach, easter and tewetew— festivals of pesach, easter and ramadan have— festivals of pesach, easter and ramadan have coincided for 30 weee— ramadan have coincided for 30 wee reeeew— ramadan have coincided for 30 years. pesach and— ramadan have coincided for 30 years. pesach and easter are wetw— years. pesach and easter are both festivals— years. pesach and easter are both festivals about redemption wettwe— both festivals about redemption wettwe twe— both festivals about redemption making the world into a better weee— making the world into a better eteee . — making the world into a better eteee . fasting— making the world into a better place . fasting on— making the world into a better place . t; place. fasting on ramadan, i have learnt, generates empathy for those in need and thereby is also about making the world into also about making the world into a better place. making the world into a better place is a good thing. all world religions believe that we have the power to differentiate between good and evil so that we can choose to do good . and if we choose to to do good. and if we choose to do to do good. and if we choose to te eeet.— to do good. and if we choose to te goodr twew— to do good. and if we choose to do good, then we— t:tit ;: and if we choose to do good, then we make the world twte— do good, then we make the world twte e— do good, then we make the world twte e wetter— do good, then we make the world into a better place. _ do good, then we make the world into a better place. i am eeetewee— into a better place. i am saddened that recently . okay. saddened that recently. okay. all right. so that was- okay. all right. so that was israeli ewtew— all right. so that was israeli british rabbi— all right. so that was israeli british rabbi leo dodi, who eeew— british rabbi leo dodi, who eettw teet— british rabbi leo dodi, who sadly lost two— british rabbi leo dodi, who sadly lost two daughters in a weet— sadly lost two daughters in a weet eewt— sadly lost two daughters in a west bank shooting. and now, as wett— west bank shooting. and now, as wett wte— west bank shooting. and now, as wett wte wtte— west bank shooting. and now, as well his wife, uk— west bank shooting. and now, as well his wife, uk ,_ west bank shooting. and now, as well his wife, uk , can see a well his wife, uk, can see a tert— well his wife, uk, can see a full version— well his wife, uk, can see a full version of— well his wife, uk, can see a full version of this on gb news wetette— full version of this on gb news wetette at— full version of this on gb news website at so— full version of this on gb news website at so if— full version of this on gb news website at so if you want to see et— website at so if you want to see et ttet.— website at so if you want to see more of that, then— website at so if you want to see more of that, then go there for

the teteet. — more of that, then go there for the latest. i'm— more of that, then go there for the latest. i'm just going to go teet— the latest. i'm just going to go back believe— the latest. i'm just going to go back believe now— the latest. i'm just going to go back believe now .— the latest. i'm just going to go back believe now . to the back believe now. to the psychologist— back believe now. to the psychologist that we had on eewtew— psychologist that we had on eertter ew— psychologist that we had on earlier on which _ psychologist that we had on earlier on which i think eeteettw— earlier on which i think actually is— earlier on which i think actually is a- earlier on which i think actually is a really fascinating teete. — actually is a really fascinating teete. teew— actually is a really fascinating topic. look, honey, thank you verv— topic. look, honey, thank you verw.-weew.— topic. look, honey, thank you verw.-weew.-te- topic. look, honey, thank you. very,-much.-to have very, very much. great to have you— very, very much. great to have wee—serrwl you back on the show. sorry eteet—weel you back on the show. sorryi eteet—wee ter about this. and thank you for wewatwe— about this. and thank you for wewotwe-ee - about this. and thank you for. hanging-us. .honey hanging over to us. this honey langcaster—james. so i want to twew— langcaster—james. so i want to wew-— langcaster—james. so i want to twew- www— langcaster—james. so i want to know, , why someone know, though, why someone in terme— know, though, why someone in terwe et— know, though, why someone in terms of advertising now, this is terms of advertising now, this te-tetwtwe— terms of advertising now, this te-tetwtwe ee— terms of advertising now, this is joining us, ladies and is just joining us, ladies and eewte— is just joining us, ladies and eewte. t— is just joining us, ladies and gents, i should— is just joining us, ladies and gents, i should just clarify for ewwewe— gents, i should just clarify for. ewwewe—etteet anyone about the labour attack ads anyone about the labour attack ete ew— anyone about the labour attack ete ew-sewet.— anyone about the labour attack ads on _sunak. so- anyone about the labour attack ads on sunak. so if you ads on rishi sunak. so if you terwe— ads on rishi sunak. so if you doing eww— ads on rishi sunak. so if you are doing any kind of branding, okay— are doing any kind of branding, okay tt— are doing any kind of branding, okay tt wee— are doing any kind of branding, okay tt wee ee— are doing any kind of branding, okay, if you are not adverts eetwe— okay, if you are not adverts eetwa weer— okay, if you are not adverts using your own— okay, if you are not adverts using your own product, what you are using your own product, what you terwe— using your own product, what you terwe te— using your own product, what you are doing is slamming a eeweettter. — are doing is slamming a competitor. what is the psychology— competitor. what is the psychology of that? do you think . reettwe— psychology of that? do you think , reading between— psychology of that? do you think , reading between the lines that ttet— , reading between the lines that we weewe— , reading between the lines that that means that— , reading between the lines that that means that haven't got that means that you haven't got ttet— that means that you haven't got ttet-eet.— that means that you haven't got ttet-eew. wee- that means that you haven't got that-sell, you just- that means that you haven't got that sell, you just want that means that you haven't got thrdo sell, you just want that means that you haven't got thrdo draghi sell, you just want that means that you haven't got thrdo draghi competition st want that means that you haven't got thrdo draghi competition . want that means that you haven't got thrdo draghi competition . uh nt to do draghi competition. uh i twtwt— to do draghi competition. uh i twtwt tte— to do draghi competition. uh i twtwt tt-e e— to do draghi competition. uh i think it's a tactic— to do draghi competition. uh i think it's a tactic that that ereete— think it's a tactic that that eeeete te— think it's a tactic that that speaks to perhaps the motivation to speaks to perhaps the motivation te teet— speaks to perhaps the motivation to look whenever— speaks to perhaps the motivation to look whenever any campaign is, to look whenever any campaign te. te— to look whenever any campaign is, is launched— to look whenever any campaign is, is launched by— to look whenever any campaign is, is launched by any brand, by any— is, is launched by any brand, by any by— is, is launched by any brand, by eww by eww—

is, is launched by any brand, by eww by eww teew— is, is launched by any brand, by any by any body r— is, is launched by any brand, by any by any body , by any company, any by any body, by any company, by eetttteet— any by any body, by any company, by political party- _ any by any body, by any company, by political party. �*ittti ”ti any by any body, by any company, by political party. �*ittti “t:i”ti by political party. we there is a strategy that's devised. there will be people speaking tewtwt— there will be people speaking tewtwt twe— there will be people speaking behind the scenes saying, right .wwet— behind the scenes saying, right .wwet te— behind the scenes saying, right .wwet te eer— behind the scenes saying, right , what is our strongest, most tweeet— , what is our strongest, most tweeet .— , what is our strongest, most tweeet . ewter— , what is our strongest, most impact , awful strategy that we impact, awful strategy that we can come up with— impact, awful strategy that we can come up with to support our te— can come up with to support our te eet— can come up with to support our te eet te— can come up with to support our cause to get to get— can come up with to support our cause to get to get it talked etweet— cause to get to get it talked eteet. te— cause to get to get it talked eteet. te eet— cause to get to get it talked about, to get it— cause to get to get it talked about, to get it believed in wwetever— about, to get it believed in wwetever tt— about, to get it believed in whatever it is. _ about, to get it believed in whatever it is. ' “t: about, to get it believed in whatever it is. “t: whatever it is. and, you know, at the same time, of course , at the same time, of course, giving ourselves the competitive advantage image. so i think what we would have to assume is that any political party that chooses to lead with with negative , um, to lead with with negative, um, sort of headline signs or negative depictions and stories about their opponent that obviously considers that to be their best strategy at this time. and i think one of the problems really in the way that politics is, is that quite often the best strategy that they can think to do is to cause quite a lot of alarm and distress . i lot of alarm and distress. i think the other thing that we

have to be aware of here, i mean, i looked earlier and for example, on the nspcc website, it says that although it's difficult to establish , it's difficult to establish, it's estimated that 1 in 20 motty children are at some point a victim of a sexual assault, that means an awful lot of people are walking around out there watching this right now, watching this right now, watching tv, you know, and they have been affected by these kinds of issues. and as a psychologist , kinds of issues. and as a psychologist, i'm thinking about what that must be like to be walking down the street and be, you know, met with a i don't know, a sign on the side of the bus stop that triggers this past trauma . and, you know, we would trauma. and, you know, we would really i really think we could do better than that. i think that we shouldn't be using really distressing topics to try to really for an agenda . to really for an agenda. absolutely. look,dhoney, to really for an agenda. - absolutely. look, honey, thank you— absolutely. look, honey, thank wee verye— absolutely. look, honey, thank wee veryr verw— absolutely. look, honey, thank you very, very much and weeetvetw— you very, very much and massively appreciate you hanging twe— massively appreciate you hanging over the other— massively appreciate you hanging over the other side— massively appreciate you hanging over the other side of that for ttet— over the other side of that for us. that psychologist honey langcaster—james just to teteer-e— langcaster—james just to

labour's campaign, really is labour's new campaign, really is a labour's new campaign, really is e teet— labour's new campaign, really is e reet ewtt— labour's new campaign, really is e reet ewttt. t— labour's new campaign, really is a real shift, i think,— labour's new campaign, really is a real shift, i think, for kids . ewetwe— a real shift, i think, for kids . owerwe te— a real shift, i think, for kids , dharma, to go— a real shift, i think, for kids , dharma, to go from man of twteorttw— , dharma, to go from man of twtearttw ewt— , dharma, to go from man of integrity and honour and all of twte— integrity and honour and all of the te— integrity and honour and all of the te teet— integrity and honour and all of this to just shamelessly etteettwe— this to just shamelessly attacking rishi sunak look , i attacking rishi sunak look, i twtwt— attacking rishi sunak look, i twtwt wee— attacking rishi sunak look, i think he's well— attacking rishi sunak look, i think he's well within his wette— think he's well within his rtowte te— think he's well within his rights to you. _ think he's well within his rights to you. by the way, reeete— rights to you. by the way, peepte ttet— rights to you. by the way, people that say is gutter eettttee— people that say is gutter politics-sue - people that say is gutter politics sue gray politics. politics and sue gray politics. i understand _say. politics and sue gray politics. i understand say that. i understand why they say that. i understand why they say that. t—ter— i understand why they say that. t—ter weew— i understand why they say that. t—ter weew et- i understand why they say that. i_for much of that. i don't go in for much of that etew.— i don't go in for much of that stuff, - honest - i don't go in for much of that stuff, - honest with - i don't go in for much of that stuff, honest with you. i stuff, to be honest with you. i twtwt—eet- stuff, to be honest with you. i think—but still,| stuff, to be honest with you. i thithe _but still,| stuff, to be honest with you. i thithe time, but still, stuff, to be honest with you. i thithe time, thet still, stuff, to be honest with you. i thithe time, the fact l, stuff, to be honest with you. i thithe time, the fact is at the same time, the fact is tte— at the same time, the fact is we wet— at the same time, the fact is it's not particularly true. anyway— it's not particularly true. anyway t— it's not particularly true. anyway t we- it's not particularly true. anyway, i was intrigued the anyway, i was intrigued by the eeweweteow— psychology of it all. moving on wttw—twerw- psychology of it all. moving on with _ imarn ayton,l with me now is imarn ayton, wwe-e— with me now is imarn ayton,. weweerewt—eeer who's an activist and organiser of who's an activist and organiser et-eteet— who's an activist and organiser of-black-matter- of the black lives matter ereteet— of the black lives matter ereteet ewt— of the black lives matter protest and writer and broadcaster- protest and writer and broadcaster david oldroyd bolt. why,— broadcaster david oldroyd bolt. wbyr wee— broadcaster david oldroyd bolt. wbyr wee wew— broadcaster david oldroyd bolt. wbyr wee wew eete— broadcaster david oldroyd bolt. why, you may ask? well i will tetr— why, you may ask? well i will tett wee— why, you may ask? well i will tell you because— why, you may ask? well i will tell you because a new report ttet-e— tell you because a new report twet-e tetew— tell you because a new report that's taken two— tell you because a new report that's taken two years to be eewetew— that's taken two years to be compiled come— that's taken two years to be compiled come out to say that we do compiled come out to say that we te wet— compiled come out to say that we te wetlerttetw— compiled come out to say that we do not-britain live— compiled come out to say that we do not-britain live in- compiled come out to say that we do not britain live in a do not in britain live in a reetettw— do not in britain live in a reetettw teet— do not in britain live in a racially just society. in fact, there— racially just society. in fact, there ee— racially just society. in fact, there are some— racially just society. in fact, there are some quite figures were.— there are some quite figures were. wwew— there are some quite figures here, which i— there are some quite figures here, which i must say when i ttret— here, which i must say when i ttret reee— here, which i must say when i first read them,— here, which i must say when i first read them, i— here, which i must say when i first read them, i found quite ttttteett— first read them, i found quite difficult to— first read them, i found quite difficult to believe, but i'm going— difficult to believe, but i'm oetwa te— difficult to believe, but i'm oetwa te reee— difficult to believe, but i'm going to read them out. nearly a twtrt— going to read them out. nearly a twtrt et— going to read them out. nearly a we et peepte— going to read them out. nearly a third of people from ethnic and retteteee— third of people from ethnic and religious minority— third of people from ethnic and religious minority groups have repertet— religious minority groups have reported racial— religious minority groups have reported racial discrimination in reported racial discrimination tw eteeettew— reported racial discrimination in education, in— reported racial discrimination in education, in employment.

weertw— in education, in employment. weertw e— in education, in employment. nearly a fifth— in education, in employment. nearly a fifth say that they've teew — nearly a fifth say that they've been discriminated against when teettwe— been discriminated against when teettwe ter— been discriminated against when looking for housing more than a ttttw— looking for housing more than a ttttw et— looking for housing more than a ttttw et ett— looking for housing more than a fifth of all all— looking for housing more than a fifth of all all minorities have repertet— fifth of all all minorities have reported experience of discriminate- reported experience of discriminate from the police, eeeeetettw— discriminate from the police, especially with _ discriminate from the police, especially with the black eewwewttw. — especially with the black community. it— especially with the black community. it must be said, and etee— community. it must be said, and etee twe— community. it must be said, and etee twe trtew— community. it must be said, and also the irish traveller eewwewttw— also the irish traveller community have copped it weeetvetw— community have copped it massively throughout this entire repert— massively throughout this entire reeert tw— massively throughout this entire reeert tw ewttw— massively throughout this entire report in pretty much every way. in report in pretty much every way. tw teet— report in pretty much every way. tw teet. twew— report in pretty much every way. tw teet. twew tt— report in pretty much every way. in fact, they if i— report in pretty much every way. in fact, they if i was going to say— in fact, they if i was going to say score highest, but i implies ttet— say score highest, but i implies twet teew-ve— say score highest, but i implies that they've won— say score highest, but i implies that they've won something. in twte—twew-vel that they've won something. in this|the _they've i that they've won something. in this the score. they've that they've won something. in this the score. the they've that they've won something. in this the score. the highest; that they've won something. in this the score. the highest when lost the score. the highest when it lost the score. the highest when tt ee— lost the score. the highest when tt te— lost the score. the highest when it comes to discrimination everwwtere— it comes to discrimination everywhere. so- it comes to discrimination everywhere. so i wanted to know, do everywhere. so i wanted to know, teieeteettw— everywhere. so i wanted to know, do.actually really— everywhere. so i wanted to know, do actually really live in do we actually really live in a weeetvetw— do we actually really live in a massively racially— do we actually really live in a massively racially unjust eeeretwe— massively racially unjust society? - start - massively racially unjust society? start with you, society? i will start with you, twew— society? i will start with you, twew-wee— society? i will start with you,| iman-you-much. society? i will start with you,- iman-you-much. i'm iman. thank you very much. i'm on iman. thank you very much. i'm ew-eettvtet— iman. thank you very much. i'm on activist organiser on in their activist organiser of on in their activist organiser et wteet— on in their activist organiser of black lives— on in their activist organiser of black lives protests . of black lives matter protests. do of black lives matter protests. tee-e— of black lives matter protests. do-a massively- do we live in a massively reetettw— do we live in a massively racially unjust— do we live in a massively racially unjust society ? yes, we racially unjust society? yes, we we. — racially unjust society? yes, we te. twent— racially unjust society? yes, we we. ttewt wee— racially unjust society? yes, we do. thank you for— racially unjust society? yes, we do. “t: do. thank you for having me, patrick. so, yes , england was patrick. so, yes, england was tent— patrick. so, yes, england was tettt ett— patrick. so, yes, england was tettt ett et— patrick. so, yes, england was built off of racism _ patrick. so, yes, england was built off of racism .- tie: so, yes, england was built off of racism . and built off of racism. and unfortunately, black people etttt— unfortunately, black people etttt teve— unfortunately, black people still have to— unfortunately, black people still have to contend with ewt— still have to contend with racism and racial disparities to twte— racism and racial disparities to the eew.— racism and racial disparities to the dew ewt— racism and racial disparities to this day, and all— racism and racial disparities to this day, and all of which are new— this day, and all of which are directly attributed to the crown eteverw— directly attributed to the crown eteverw ewt— directly attributed to the crown slavery and colonialism . so slavery and colonialism. so i reeeet— slavery and colonialism. so i reeeet. twte— slavery and colonialism. so i repeat, this is— slavery and colonialism. so i repeat, this is a— slavery and colonialism. so i repeat, this is a racist country . wteet— repeat, this is a racist country . eteew reeete— repeat, this is a racist country . black people still have to

eewtewt— . black people still have to contend with— . black people still have to contend with racism. and as far as contend with racism. and as far ee tw— contend with racism. and as far as i'm concerned,— contend with racism. and as far as i'm concerned, logic dictates if as i'm concerned, logic dictates tt ewwewe— as i'm concerned, logic dictates if anyone hasn't— as i'm concerned, logic dictates if anyone hasn't got the message as i'm concerned, logic dictates if inow1e hasn't got the message as i'm concerned, logic dictates if ('i'iow ,! hasn't got the message as i'm concerned, logic dictates if ('i'iow , you.n't got the message as i'm concerned, logic dictates if ('i'iow , you are got the message as i'm concerned, logic dictates if ('i'iow , you are either; message as i'm concerned, logic dictates if ('i'iow , you are either obtuse ge by now, you are either obtuse ewt— by now, you are either obtuse ewt t— by now, you are either obtuse ewt t weew— by now, you are either obtuse and i mean-with- by now, you are either obtuse and i mean with all due and i mean that with all due reeeeet— and i mean that with all due reeeeet. er— and i mean that with all due respecb er wee— and i mean that with all due respect, or you just respect, or you are just a reeet— respect, or you are just a reetet tw— respect, or you are just a racist in denial.- respect, or you are just a racist in denial. so take your etet— racist in denial. so take your etet . — racist in denial. so take your etet . se— racist in denial. so take your pick . so david— racist in denial. so take your pick. ji t: tijj j etijjt/ j racist in denial. so take your pick. ji t: [j j ecjy j racist in denial. so take your- pick . so david oldroyd bolton , pick. so david oldroyd bolton, now writer from broadcaster that was incredibly strong stuff. your would like to see your views. i would like to see the questions that were put to the questions that were put to the people who took part in this survey because it would be interesting they interesting to know how they were the were framed, whether the questions leading any questions were leading in any way. what the way. i'd like to know what the range into range of views taken into consideration was, and i would like be full disclosure like there to be full disclosure about compilers of this about who the compilers of this report they report are and what they intended achieve with it. the intended to achieve with it. the sewell report, which is made reference to in the pieces that we've read about this , said two we've read about this, said two years ago that britain is not a racist society and was attacked for that by the grievance industry of which , i'm sorry to industry of which, i'm sorry to say, lives one. say, black lives matter is one. black is a marxist black lives matter is a marxist organisation dedicated to bringing down structure of bringing down the structure of the kingdom exists. the united kingdom as it exists. this dissent trusted, this is not a dissent trusted, unbiased organisation seeking to point out the injustices of

society. this is a political movement that has a very clear political agenda. so this report was compiled by apparently nissa finney, who's a professor of human geography at the university of saint andrews , led university of saint andrews, led the study into this. they said it showed that racism is part of the daily i'm going to the daily lives. i'm going to put to you, iman , that the put it to you, iman, that the questions here were based more on people's feelings than hard evidence . and if they have the evidence. and if they have the attitude that you have, then it wouldn't be difficult for them to feel or see racism in everything as you do . so is that everything as you do. so is that quite a difficult way for you to live your life with that attitude? okay. well, let me just touch on a few points, if you wouldn't mind. so i'd just like to touch— you wouldn't mind. so i'd just like to touch on— you wouldn't mind. so i'd just like to touch on the— you wouldn't mind. so i'd just like to touch on the first- i“ c “t: so i'd just like to touch on the first point ttet— like to touch on the first point we we— like to touch on the first point that was made— like to touch on the first point that was made to— like to touch on the first point that was made to me and so in terwe— that was made to me and so in terwe-wteet— that was made to me and so in terms black matter, terms of black lives matter, so tet-e— terms of black lives matter, so tet-e teet— terms of black lives matter, so tet-e teet te— terms of black lives matter, so let's just be clear.— terms of black lives matter, so let's just be clear. the movement— let's just be clear. the movement something separate let's just be clear. the mithenent something separate let's just be clear. the mithe organisation.hing separate let's just be clear. the mithe organisation. sog separate let's just be clear. the mithe organisation. so i'mparate let's just be clear. the mithe organisation. so i'm not te to the organisation. so i'm not were— to the organisation. so i'm not were-te— to the organisation. so i'm not here-to dispute- to the organisation. so i'm not here to dispute you on here actually to dispute you on the organisation.— here actually to dispute you on the organisation. blmuk that is an organisation— the organisation. blmuk that is an organisation i— the organisation. blmuk that is an organisation i not an organisation i do not reereeewt— an organisation i do not represent and- an organisation i do not represent and i'm not here to eweee— represent and i'm not here to eroee twetr— represent and i'm not here to argue their defence. i actually do

argue their defence. i actually te etveeete— argue their defence. i actually do advocate for— argue their defence. i actually do advocate for the black lives wetter— do advocate for the black lives matter movement,— do advocate for the black lives matter movement, which comprises of matter movement, which comprises et eevet— matter movement, which comprises of several ideologies. said of several ideologies. i've said twte— of several ideologies. i've said the eevet— of several ideologies. i've said this several-you- of several ideologies. i've said this several you have this several times, you have tweee— this several times, you have tweee ttet— this several times, you have those that are— this several times, you have those that are abolitionist and you— those that are abolitionist and wee teve— those that are abolitionist and you have those— those that are abolitionist and you have those that are absolutely— you have those that are absolutely first point. second, i absolutely first point. second, t wwew— absolutely first point. second, t twew wee-ve— absolutely first point. second, i know you've got— absolutely first point. second, i know you've got time . let me i know you've got time. let me teet— i know you've got time. let me teet-ew— i know you've got time. let me teet-ew twe— i know you've got time. let me just-on the next- i know you've got time. let me just on the next point. so just touch on the next point. so in just touch on the next point. so tw—t— just touch on the next point. so tw—t eeereetete in terms of racism, i appreciate ttet— in terms of racism, i appreciate twet weww— in terms of racism, i appreciate twet weww reeete— in terms of racism, i appreciate that many people may feel that this that many people may feel that twte—teettwee.- this is based on feelings, but tet-e— this is based on feelings, but tet-e-tereet— this is based on feelings, but let's-forget that- this is based on feelings, but let's forget that black let's just not forget that black peepte— let's just not forget that black peepte trew — let's just not forget that black people from here— let's just not forget that black people from here canada , people from here to canada, eeete— people from here to canada, south africa, _ people from here to canada, south africa, australia and the us, south africa, australia and the us. ewttw— south africa, australia and the us. erettw weew— south africa, australia and the us, pretty much every country ttet— us, pretty much every country we twe— us, pretty much every country we the tw— us, pretty much every country that the uk has— us, pretty much every country that the uk has colonised, they eeete— that the uk has colonised, they ewewe-eeetew — that the uk has colonised, they spoke racism racial spoke about racism or racial tteeertttee— spoke about racism or racial disparities, includes the disparities, which includes the teet— disparities, which includes the teet ttet— disparities, which includes the fact that black— disparities, which includes the fact that black are fact that black people are seven twee— fact that black people are seven ttwee—eteeeeti times more likely to be stopped ewt— times more likely to be stopped and searched,— times more likely to be stopped| and searched,_more and searched, seven times more new— and searched, seven times more tttetw—wewte- and searched, seven times more likely—hands of. likely to die at the hands of eewee— likely to die at the hands of eewee-terwe- likely to die at the hands of police being restrained, police after being restrained, twe— police after being restrained,| twe—weve five times more likely to have rewe— five times more likely to have teree-eeetwet— five times more likely to have force against them, three force used against them, three twee—te- force used against them, three times—to actually. force used against them, three. times—to actually be times more likely to actually be rettewt— times more likely to actually be reliant-social— times more likely to actually be reliant social housing and reliant on social housing and twe— reliant on social housing and twe twee— reliant on social housing and two times more— reliant on social housing and two times more likely to live in eevertw— two times more likely to live in eevertwlttwee— two times more likely to live in poverty, times more likely poverty, four times more likely to poverty, four times more likely te tte— poverty, four times more likely te tte tertwe— poverty, four times more likely to die during childbirth and ereewewew— to die during childbirth and pregnancy. miles, to pregnancy. so, miles, hotel to wee.— pregnancy. so, miles, hotel to wee. tevetw— pregnancy. so, miles, hotel to you. lovely gentlemen, is that pregnancy. so, miles, hotel to you. isn't ly gentlemen, is that pregnancy. so, miles, hotel to you.isn't abouttlemen, is that pregnancy. so, miles, hotel to you. isn't about feelings.s that pregnancy. so, miles, hotel to you.isn't about feelings. thist this isn't about feelings. this is this isn't about feelings. this te eteet— this isn't about feelings. this is about facts.— this isn't about feelings. this is about facts. and anyone that teeew-t— is about facts. and anyone that doesn't appreciate— is about facts. and anyone that doesn't appreciate facts has two eetewe— doesn't appreciate facts has two eettewe. vee— doesn't appreciate facts has two options. you are— doesn't appreciate facts has two options. you are either obtuse or options. you are either obtuse er wee— options. you are either obtuse or you are a racist— options. you are either obtuse or you are a racist in denial. rete— or you are a racist in denial. tete weer—

or you are a racist in denial. tete weer etet— or you are a racist in denial. take your pick. - or you are a racist in denial. take your pick . �*ittticc ji t: take your pick. well, david, i have to ask you, because she said it twice now , are you said it twice now, are you either obtuse or a racist in denial? i'm not a racist in denial? i'm not a racist in denial and i'm not obtuse. and i think that's a really silly think that that's a really silly way frame this way of trying to frame this debate are the debate so that you are the inevitable winner of debate. inevitable winner of any debate. because. nana you're a because. nana nana you're a racist. you said facts. racist. facts. you said facts. you quoted a stream of figures who has collated these figures? do they refer to these countries? you mentioned as a whole? you any specific whole? do you have any specific figures united kingdom? figures for the united kingdom? it's easy selectively it's very easy to selectively cherry things that you have cherry pick things that you have decided up in decided are worth bringing up in order your points order to highlight your points in order to win the argument. i don't think that people are going to gulled agreeing going to be gulled into agreeing with into with you or hoodwinked into thinking way thinking that this is in any way a set of statistics. a reliable set of statistics. in fact, statistics . fact, these are not statistics. these facts. these are these are not facts. these are not facts. to be fair , these are not facts. to be fair, these are not facts. to be fair, these are not facts. to be fair, these are not facts. de—man he did let you finish. so carry on. i do apologise. you're right. a lot of enthusiasm. _ apologise. you're right. a lot of enthusiasm. i— apologise. you're right. a lot of enthusiasm. i do- ; you're right. a lot of enthusiasm. i do apologise. rteeee— of enthusiasm. i do apologise. wewe-.— of enthusiasm. i do apologise. please-. thank- of enthusiasm. i do apologise. please . thank you. please continue. thank you. these— please continue. thank you. these eer— please continue. thank you. these are-facts- please continue. thank you. these are-facts .- please continue. thank you. these are .facts . these. please continue. thank you. i these are .facts . these are these are not facts. these are not a disinterested set of statistics that have statistics that you have suddenly, the beneficence suddenly, out of the beneficence of approach to the human

of your approach to the human race, decided that all race, decided that we all need to about. these things to know about. these are things that using to reinforce that you are using to reinforce politically historically politically and historically spunous politically and historically spurious point of view that we are all in institutionally, inevitably and inviolably racist that this is some kind of original sin that all white people must bear. it is not the case and is an insult to say case and it is an insult to say it is the case. right. so, it is the case. all right. so, iman, i to you if iman, i want to ask you now if we take at complete face we take this at complete face value everything value and if everything that you've just said there is true, okay. everything that you've okay. if everything that you've said there is true and are said there is true and we are not a racially just society , not a racially just society, what has to happen now in order for us to become a racially just society ? first step is always society? first step is always going— society? first step is always oetwa te— society? first step is always oetwa te te— i clog? first step is always going to be understanding per-etwe— going to be understanding prejudice, because this is where twte— prejudice, because this is where this gentleman— prejudice, because this is where this gentleman is— prejudice, because this is where this gentleman is failing to wwe— this gentleman is failing to ttwt et— this gentleman is failing to kind of incorporate it into his eroewewt. — kind of incorporate it into his argument. and— kind of incorporate it into his argument. and this is why he's tetttwe— argument. and this is why he's tetttwe ewert— argument. and this is why he's falling short prejudice is a teet— falling short prejudice is a teet et— falling short prejudice is a fact of life,— falling short prejudice is a fact of life, right? so every individual,— fact of life, right? so every individual, in— fact of life, right? so every individual, in order for us to wewe— individual, in order for us to wewe-.— individual, in order for us to wete-. tw- individual, in order for us to make-, in order. individual, in order for us to make , in order for individual, in order for us to. make-, in order for us make decisions, in order for us to make decisions, in order for us te keep— make decisions, in order for us to keep ourselves— make decisions, in order for us to keep ourselves we to keep ourselves safe, we have ereeeweetvet— to keep ourselves safe, we have ereeeweetvet-.- to keep ourselves safe, we have preconceived-. we- to keep ourselves safe, we have preconceived . we have preconceived opinions. we have ereeeweetvet— preconceived opinions. we have preconceived opinions. we have preconceived opinions about reeete— preconceived opinions about peepte .— preconceived opinions about people , situations, things, people, situations, things, eteetere— people, situations, things, etcetera. .we - people, situations, things, etcetera. we also have etcetera. and we also have ereeeweetvet— etcetera. and we also have preconceived opinions about

wwew— preconceived opinions about race, which _to - preconceived opinions about race, which to historical race, which is due to historical eewtew— race, which is due to historical eewtext .— race, which is due to historical eewtext . awe— race, which is due to historical context . and as— race, which is due to historical context . and as you you context. and as you you eteeeewttw— context. and as you you eloquently stated your points. awe— eloquently stated your points. we ttte — eloquently stated your points. we ttte t— eloquently stated your points. and like i said— eloquently stated your points. and like i said ,_ eloquently stated your points. and like i said , you're missing and like i said, you're missing the and like i said, you're missing twe trooeet— and like i said, you're missing the biggest point— and like i said, you're missing the biggest point here. ererettee— the biggest point here. prejudice is— the biggest point here. prejudice is day to day part prejudice is a day to day part of prejudice is a day to day part et ttre— prejudice is a day to day part et ttte ttet— prejudice is a day to day part of life that black— prejudice is a day to day part of life that black people have to of life that black people have te eewtewt— of life that black people have to contend with,— of life that black people have to contend with, that is not eewetwtwe— to contend with, that is not something that— to contend with, that is not something that you have to eewtewt— something that you have to contend with— something that you have to contend with .— something that you have to contend with . therefore, it goes contend with. therefore, it goes on contend with. therefore, it goes ew-weet.— contend with. therefore, it goes ew-weet. eew— contend with. therefore, it goes ew-weet. cew t— contend with. therefore, it goes on-head. can i just- contend with. therefore, it goes on head. can i just ask you on your head. can i just ask you teet— on your head. can i just ask you teetlttet— on your head. can i just ask you reetltwet. teet— on your head. can i just ask you just-that, just just- on your head. can i just ask you just that, just just on that. just on that, just just on that. teet— just on that, just just on that. just teet— just on that, just just on that. just rest-ttet. — just on that, just just on that. just just-that. sorry- just on that, just just on that. just just-that. sorry it's- just on that, just just on that. just just-that. sorry it's anl just just on that. sorry it's an important this. important question. this. no, sorry. important question. sorry. it's important question. just on. oh, is just just on that on. oh, is david not concerning against that right now? are you not prejudiced with preconceived ideas about him because of his race? no,i ideas about him because of his race? no, i gave him very i gave ww— race? no, i gave him very i gave wtw twe— race? no, i gave him very i gave him two specific— i7 no, i gave him very i gave him two specific options. i eeteettw— him two specific options. i actually explained to him that ewt— actually explained to him that racism and racial— actually explained to him that racism and racial disparities verw— racism and racial disparities verw weew— racism and racial disparities are very much something that wteet— are very much something that tteet peepte— are very much something that black people have to contend wttw— black people have to contend wttwltwte— black people have to contend wttwltwte tew— black people have to contend with .this day .— black people have to contend with this day . black people with to this day. black people eeewt— with to this day. black people around-world— with to this day. black people around world have been around the world have been eeeettwe— around the world have been eweeweve— around the world have been spec'have actually been giving and have actually been giving wwtte— and have actually been giving wwtte reeete— and have actually been giving white people several different wp“— white people several different tweee—tteetl types of white people, black peepte.— types of white people, black peepte—eteel types of white people, blacki pewter—step by people, asian people step by etee— people, asian people step by step instructions— people, asian people step by step instructions to to how step instructions as to to how fix step instructions as to to how ttv twe— step instructions as to to how fix the problem.— step instructions as to to how fix the problem. and yet, after all of these centuries, this oewttewew— all of these centuries, this gentleman has— all of these centuries, this gentleman has come on to tv and act gentleman has come on to tv and eet ee— gentleman has come on to tv and eet ee tt— gentleman has come on to tv and eet ee tt wee— gentleman has come on to tv and act as if he's just— gentleman has come on to tv and act as if he's just completely etttvteee— act as if he's just completely oblivious to— act as if he's just completely oblivious tolall. - act as if he's just completely

oblivious to all. again , oblivious to it all. so again, teete— oblivious to it all. so again, logic dictates— oblivious to it all. so again, logic dictates you're either etteee— logic dictates you're either etteee er— logic dictates you're either etteee er e— logic dictates you're either obtuse or a racist in denial. rete— obtuse or a racist in denial. tete weer— obtuse or a racist in denial. take your pick.— obtuse or a racist in denial. take your pick. okay, david, do you— take your pick. okay, david, do wee twtwt— take your pick. okay, david, do you think that— take your pick. okay, david, do you think that white people eewee— you think that white people sometimes suffer from , um, sometimes suffer from, um, reeet— sometimes suffer from, um, racial discrimination as well? i racial discrimination as well? t ttret— racial discrimination as well? ttttwt ttet-e— racial discrimination as well? i think that's exactly- racial discrimination as well? i think that's exactly what- racial discrimination as well? i think that's exactly what is going on here. how kind of you to have explained to me all of these things that of which i was, of course, and was, of course, totally and utterly you're utterly ignorant. you're appearing on national television, calling television, essentially calling every person the world every white person in the world inviolably racist. this is this is itself a racist point of view. just as if i were to say ttet— view. just as if i were to say we everw— view. just as if i were to say that every black— . just as if i were to say that every black person is eeeret— that every black person is reetet er— that every black person is racist or has— that every black person is racist or has any other point of vtew— racist or has any other point of wew— racist or has any other point of wew eew— racist or has any other point of view, how can you— racist or has any other point of view, how can you dare to be on twte— view, how can you dare to be on the ewe— view, how can you dare to be on the ewt ereet— view, how can you dare to be on this and speak with— view, how can you dare to be on this and speak with such eewtewet— this and speak with such contempt for— this and speak with such contempt for the majority of the reeete— contempt for the majority of the peepte tw— contempt for the majority of the peepte tw twte— contempt for the majority of the people in this country who are eeet.— people in this country who are goodr ttwt— people in this country who are good, kind and— people in this country who are good, kind and decent people who vtew— good, kind and decent people who wtew ter— good, kind and decent people who wtew ter twe— good, kind and decent people who wish for the best— good, kind and decent people who wish for the best for— good, kind and decent people who wish for the best for us all and wwe— wish for the best for us all and wwe 90— wish for the best for us all and wwe 90 eteet— wish for the best for us all and who go about their lives? i'm ee t— who go about their lives? i'm ee t rte.— who go about their lives? i'm sure as i do, as— who go about their lives? i'm sure as i do, as patrick does, in sure as i do, as patrick does, tw e— sure as i do, as patrick does, tw e eetrtt— sure as i do, as patrick does, tw e eetrtt et— sure as i do, as patrick does, in a spirit of openness and in twe— in a spirit of openness and in the were— in a spirit of openness and in twe weee ttet— in a spirit of openness and in the hope that we— in a spirit of openness and in the hope that we can, if there are where there— the hope that we can, if there are where there were and there is undoubtable,_ are where there were and there is undoubtable, that there were eeeettte— is undoubtable, that there were eeeettte-et— is undoubtable, that there were specific of injustice, specific instances of injustice, we were— specific instances of injustice, we were ttet— specific instances of injustice, we hope that we— specific instances of injustice, we hope that we can correct them . tet— we hope that we can correct them . tet ter— we hope that we can correct them . tet ter wee— we hope that we can correct them . eet ter wee te— we hope that we can correct them . but for you to sit— we hope that we can correct them . but for you to sit there- we hope that we can correct them . but for you to sit there and

call all racists say that we call us all racists say that we need say that you call us all racists say that we need to say that you call us all racists say that we need to explain say that you call us all racists say that we need to explain to say that you call us all racists say that we need to explain to usy that you need to explain to us is arrogance and contempt the arrogance and contempt of the most ridiculous sort. it is appalling . and you cannot appalling. and you cannot seriously propound these ideas . seriously propound these ideas. very quickly, very quickly. i'm on. very quickly, very quickly. i'm tw— very quickly, very quickly. i'm t-w aetttwa— very quickly, very quickly. i'm on. i'm getting shouted at here weee— on. i'm getting shouted at here because we're— on. i'm getting shouted at here because we're going over very quickly— because we're going over very eetettw . — because we're going over very eetettw. cer— because we're going over very eetettw. cew t— because we're going over very quickly. can i can- because we're going over very quickly. can i can i- because we're going over very quickly . cit“ i“ : quickly. can i can i respond quickly? very quick, if you don't mind, patrick. thank you very again, this isn't don't mind, patrick. thank you very it's again, this isn't don't mind, patrick. thank you very it's interesting this isn't don't mind, patrick. thank you very it's interesting that isn't don't mind, patrick. thank you very it's interesting that you about it's interesting that you have confused my facts with just kind of being rude and insulting. i'm just stating facts and what you fail to again understand another thing is that the sewell report that came out in 2021 said that this country wasn't institutionally racist, and that also included the police. but we've also just had the louise casey report, right, that stated that they were institutionally racist, homophobic and sexist. so everything that you have prefaced your statement with basically sounded like tony sewell when he got it wrong a year ago. so let's not get confused . it's not about confused. it's not about feelings. it's about facts . feelings. it's about facts. don't offended by the fact don't be offended by the fact that an historical

that you have an historical context country that context in this country that results in racism and racial disparity . so get off your disparity. so get off your anti—woke high horse and get with program. sir okay. all with the program. sir okay. all right, look. but— with the program. sir okay. all right, look. but i— with the program. sir okay. all right, look. but i can- with the program. sir okay. all right, look. but i can tell- ; ” okay. all right, look. but i can tell you, twere-e— right, look. but i can tell you, there's absolutely— right, look. but i can tell you, there's absolutely point that there's absolutely no point that you there's absolutely no point that wee twe— there's absolutely no point that wee twe ee— there's absolutely no point that you two are ever— there's absolutely no point that you two are ever going to agree on you two are ever going to agree ew—weew.| on this. thank you very much. ttet—et- on this. thank you very much. that_ofldebate.| that is the point of a debate. so that is the point of a debate. se-we— that is the point of a debate. se-we 90- — that is the point of a debate. so _we go. _both. so there we go. look, both of wee.— so there we go. look, both of wee—vew- so there we go. look, both of. wee—vew weew. you. thank you very, very much. t-w — you. thank you very, very much. t-w _tet— you. thank you very, very much. t-w _tet et— you. thank you very, very much. i'm _lot of people - you. thank you very, very much. i'm lot of people will be i'm sure a lot of people will be eweettwe— i'm sure a lot of people will be eweettwe et— i'm sure a lot of people will be shouting at-tv_ i'm sure a lot of people will be shouting at tv screens and shouting at their tv screens and retre— shouting at their tv screens and weere—ette- shouting at their tv screens and radio—sidelthel radio stars now, one side or the ether— radio stars now, one side or the other—activist. other as ziemann, an activist ewt— other as ziemann, an activist ewt erewteere— other as ziemann, an activist and organiser of— other as ziemann, an activist and organiser of black lives wetter— and organiser of black lives matter protests— and organiser of black lives. matter protests—and matter protests and writer and treeteeeter— broadcaster david oldroyd bot. ttewt. — broadcaster david oldroyd bot. ttewt. -wew— broadcaster david oldroyd bot. right.-now some- right. okay now some headteachers right. okay now some- headteachers-children headteachers say that children tettwe— headteachers say that children tettwe twetr— headteachers say that children taking their gcse a—levels taking their gcse and a—levels twte— taking their gcse and a—levels twte-eweew— taking their gcse and a—levels this-should be- taking their gcse and a—levels this should be marked this summer should be marked were—et- this summer should be markedi weee—t twe more generously because of the tweeet— more generously because of the tweeetltwetr— more generously because of the impact their strikes on the impact of their strikes on the eteeettew. — impact of their strikes on the education. good— impact of their strikes on the education. good grief. are they fight-’— education. good grief. are they weww tw— education. good grief. are they right? i'm patrick— education. good grief. are they right? i'm patrick christys on gb right? i'm patrick christys on we wewe— right? i'm patrick christys on gb news britain's news

channel okay, so i channel- okay, so how |ctewwet- okay, so how about |ctewwet— okay, so how about this for a eeooeettew— okay, so how about this for a suggestion from _ okay, so how about this for a suggestion from some head teeeweree— suggestion from some head teachers? they— suggestion from some head teachers? they say that children tettwe — teachers? they say that children tettwe twetr— teachers? they say that children taking their gcse— teachers? they say that children taking their gcse and a—levels twte— taking their gcse and a—levels twte eerwwer— taking their gcse and a—levels this summer should be marked

weee—te- this summer should be marked weee—rte te- this summer should be marked more _due to the i this summer should be marked more due to the fact more generously due to the fact ttet— more generously due to the fact that teachers _ more generously due to the fact that teachers strikes that teachers went on strikes ewt— that teachers went on strikes ewt twe— that teachers went on strikes and the effects— that teachers went on strikes and the effects of covid lockdowns. _ and the effects of covid lockdowns. exam have lockdowns. exam boards have eretee— lockdowns. exam boards have ereteer-were- lockdowns. exam boards have graded more leniently graded children more leniently in graded children more leniently tw-twe— graded children more leniently tw-twe teet— graded children more leniently in-the last two- graded children more leniently in the last two years in each of the last two years weee— in each of the last two years because _fallout - in each of the last two years because fallout from the because of the fallout from the eewtewte. — because of the fallout from the pandemic. joining— because of the fallout from the pandemic. joining me now is tony eweaw.— pandemic. joining me now is tony ereettw.-e— pandemic. joining me now is tony breslin,-a-chief- breslin, who's a former chief ewt— breslin, who's a former chief examiner and the author of two etteete— examiner and the author of two attacks-education - examiner and the author of two attacks education impact attacks on the education impact of attacks on the education impact et teetteww— attacks on the education impact of lockdown. look,— attacks on the education impact of lockdown. look, great stuff. twewt— of lockdown. look, great stuff. wewt-weew- of lockdown. look, great stuff. twewt-weew .- of lockdown. look, great stuff. thank-much . and. of lockdown. look, great stuff. thank much . and i of lockdown. look, great stuff. - thank-much . and i mean, thank you very much. and i mean, wwet— thank you very much. and i mean, weet-te— thank you very much. and i mean, wwet-te eetwe— thank you very much. and i mean, wwet-te eetwe ew- thank you very much. and i mean, what is going on here? what on earth is going on here? tree— what on earth is going on here? tree-te— what on earth is going on here? tree-te te— what on earth is going on here?j tree-te be-up kids are going to be marked up weee— kids are going to be marked up because teachers— kids are going to be marked up because teachers have taken time off because teachers have taken time err-teew— because teachers have taken time err-trew eew— because teachers have taken time err-trew 90- because teachers have taken time off-they can go on- off so that they can go on etrtte. — off so that they can go on etrtte. tte— off so that they can go on strike. it'sjust— off so that they can go on strike. it's just completely self—defeating, ? we've self—defeating, isn't it? we've etttt— self—defeating, isn't it? we've etrn—.— self—defeating, isn't it? we've etttt—. wett- self—defeating, isn't it? we've still_. well, if. still got sick kids. well, if you— still got sick kids. well, if wee eet— still got sick kids. well, if wee eet tt— still got sick kids. well, if you put it that— still got sick kids. well, if you put it that way, it would tee. — you put it that way, it would tee. tet— you put it that way, it would be. but look,— you put it that way, it would be. but look, first- you put it that way, it would be. �*" “i be. but look, first thing to clarify, patrick, is that this is not about softer exam papers or softer marking. the exam papers that the young people sit in the next two months or so will have been written about 18 months ago . the mark schemes for months ago. the mark schemes for those papers will have been written 18 months ago and they will be those papers will be marked against those schemes. the only question that arises is

not about marks changing, but potentially is an a grade given for instance, for 68 rather than 73 or a b grade for 60. so they'll be marked- 73 or a b grade for 60. so they'll be marked up- 3 t; i this so they'll be marked up for 60 3 t; i titq so they'll be marked up for 60 and ez. — they'll be marked up for 60 and ez. se— they'll be marked up for 60 and ez. se tte— they'll be marked up for 60 and 62. so it's really— they'll be marked up for 60 and 62. so it's really important to separate out the fact that the papers will be the same. they'll be just as hard. yeah, i get ttet.— be just as hard. yeah, i get twet. eet— be just as hard. yeah, i get that. but the— be just as hard. yeah, i get that. but the grades- “it”ti yeah, i get that. but the grades will be tttterewt— that. but the grades will be tttterewt .— that. but the grades will be different . and— that. but the grades will be different . and i've got to be different. and i've got to be weweet— different. and i've got to be honest with— different. and i've got to be honest with you, _ different. and i've got to be honest with you, from where i'm ettttwo— honest with you, from where i'm ettttwe. tt— honest with you, from where i'm sitting, it looks— honest with you, from where i'm sitting, it looks like teachers are sitting, it looks like teachers ere—teete- sitting, it looks like teachers. are—backsithey are covering their backs so they eeweee— tttel can say, how do you see kids eretee— can say, how do you see kids grades weren't— can say, how do you see kids grades weren't affected by the teet— grades weren't affected by the tee-wewt— grades weren't affected by the fact-went off - grades weren't affected by the fact went off strike? fact that we went off on strike? why-’— why? because they fudged the eretee— why? because they fudged the eretee .— why? because they fudged the oretee . ute— why? because they fudged the oretee . ttte t— why? because they fudged the grades . like i accept that you grades. like i accept that you reee— grades. like i accept that you reet tt— grades. like i accept that you can read it that— grades. like i accept that you can read it that way . grades. like i accept that you can read it that way. titit“ c can read it that way. i don't ttret— can read it that way. i don't think that's fair. i think the question is that when the awarding authorities made their decision to, as you know, the grades, the grading process was tweaked during lockdown, as was the assessment process . and the assessment process. and there's been this path back to sort of standard pre lockdown

grades. now , when that path was grades. now, when that path was set, _ grades. now, when that path was eet. we — grades. now, when that path was eet. we etew-t— grades. now, when that path was set, we didn't know— ;: now, when that path was set, we didn't know what the tert— set, we didn't know what the tett tweeet— set, we didn't know what the full impact of— set, we didn't know what the full impact of lockdown would tee. — full impact of lockdown would tee. weve— full impact of lockdown would be. we've seen— full impact of lockdown would be. we've seen all- full impact of lockdown would be. “ be. we've seen all sorts of studies now that say it is only now coming through . so what we now coming through. so what we can't do in this situation is penalise the young people. so the question simply are the question simply arises are these young people in ordinary circumstances or extraordinary circumstances or extraordinary circumstances and extraordinarily extraordinary albie, primarily in terms of the legacy of lockdown. okay and, of course, the teacher unions that have called for this , the have called for this, the headship unions, they have not taken strike action yet that may change, but they haven't done so . so it's really important to ask the question , you know, as ask the question, you know, as an as a former chief examiner, what we always wanted to make sure was that children got grades that represented not simply their performance on the papen simply their performance on the paper, but what they were capable. i've got i've got to i've got to wrap up, i'm afraid. tony, i'm really sorry . tony, i'm really sorry. otherwise,— tony, i'm really sorry. otherwise, i- tony, i'm really sorry. otherwise, i get thrown off. t-ve— otherwise, i get thrown off. t-ve teew— otherwise, i get thrown off. i've been patrick christys and now ridiculously. _ i've been patrick christys and now ridiculously. i have to go

to now ridiculously. i have to go te-weetwer— now ridiculously. i have to go te-weetwer. — now ridiculously. i have to go to-weather . hello- now ridiculously. i have to go to weather . “t:i”ti now ridiculously. i have to go- to .weather . hello there. i'm to the weather. hello there. i'm greg dewhurst. welcome to our latest broadcast from the met office . we have issued a wind office. we have issued a wind warning for tuesday and wednesday across west southern parts of the uk. strong winds 50, 60 miles an hour are possible . all that's due to an possible. all that's due to an area low pressure that's area of low pressure that's developing from area of low pressure that's dev atlantic from area of low pressure that's dev atlantic through from area of low pressure that's dev atlantic through tuesdayym the atlantic through tuesday afternoon the evening. afternoon into the evening. overnight and wednesday itself. the pressure hangs around the low pressure hangs around for day on for much of the day on wednesday, some very strong winds also heavy rain winds and also some heavy rain leading some travel leading to some travel disruption through this evening. we still have showers across the uk. these to give some uk. these merging to give some longer of rain across longer spells of rain across northern ireland. southern scotland, northern england for a time. but this tending to ease into the early hours in between, we'll see some clear spells and into the early hours in between, w

in between . but through the day in between. but through the day we see the cloud thickening outbreaks of moving in from outbreaks of rain moving in from the southwest, the wind picking up to metoffice in force up to metoffice warning in force from £0.03 pm on tuesday afternoon and gusts of 50, 60 miles an hour, so leading to some travel disruption. temperatures feeling cooler than the numbers suggest. 12 to 15 celsius into the evening time. this band of heavy rain pushes north eastwards across the country, leading to some travel disruption. surface spray on the roads behind it, clear spells scattered heavy showers move in overnight. the winds ease for a time, but still staying blustery. and under those clear skies allows temperatures to dip away to around 3 or 4 celsius. so it means another chilly start to wednesday morning . but to wednesday morning. but blustery showers from the word go . blustery showers from the word go. heavy blustery showers from the word go . heavy across north go. heavy rain across the north of scotland and band of scotland. and this band of rain associated with the low actually moves back again actually moves back in again across areas. across southwestern areas. and that's the winds pick up that's when the winds pick up once more , particularly across once more, particularly across southwest and bringing southwest england and bringing gusts again, 50, 60 miles an houn gusts again, 50, 60 miles an hour. sunshine and showers expected thursday and friday.

staying cool .

covid this time, but because of strikes . up covid this time, but because of strikes. up to covid this time, but because of strikes . up to 50% of doctors strikes. up to 50% of doctors are set to walk out this week. do you think this advice is an inqu do you think this advice is an insult or do you support the walkouts by doctors? let me know .then walkouts by doctors? let me know . then we're going to be talking about the bbc. is it the least biased outlet out there? i'm asking because elon musk, the

boss of twitter, has said so. do