. farage good . farage- good evening. as . mage— good evening. as joe . farage good evening. as joe biden heads towards northern ireland, we ask is it time that stormont, the assembly restarted? we look at the labour attack ads. are they offensive or are they actually becoming really rather effective ? and joining me on talking pints, dr. lee rotherham, the man who's setting up the museum of brexit charity. but all of that comes after the news from polly middlehurst . that comes after the news from polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you and— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you and good— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you and good evening- 3: nigel, thank you and good evening to you. the

top story— you and good evening to you. the top story on— you and good evening to you. the top story on oo— you and good evening to you. the top story on gb news tonight, pouoioiono— top story on gb news tonight, politicians across— top story on gb news tonight, politicians across northern ireland— politicians across northern ireland have— politicians across northern ireland have condemned violent attacks— ireland have condemned violent oooookoloouoo— ireland have condemned violent attacks-police in— ireland have condemned violent attacks police in londonderry attacks on police in londonderry missiles— attacks on police in londonderry missnos ,— attacks on police in londonderry missiles , including petrol bombs missiles, including petrol bombs . sorry— missiles, including petrol bombs . sorry about— missiles, including petrol bombs . sorry about that.— missiles, including petrol bombs . sorry about that. let's begin the— . sorry about that. let's begin the news— . sorry about that. let's begin the news again— . sorry about that. let's begin the news again for you and the . noo— the news again for you and the news . the main— the news again for you and the news . the main news tonight is news. the main news tonight is shoo— news. the main news tonight is that politicians— news. the main news tonight is that politicians across northern ireland— that politicians across northern resend nove— that politicians across northern ireland have been condemning the violent— ireland have been condemning the violent attacks— ireland have been condemning the violent attacks on— ireland have been condemning the violent attacks on police that nove— violent attacks on police that nove token— violent attacks on police that have taken place— violent attacks on police that have taken place in londonderry nrssnes— have taken place in londonderry missiles, including petrol bombs , nnronn— missiles, including petrol bombs , were thrown at— missiles, including petrol bombs , were thrown at a— missiles, including petrol bombs , were thrown at a psni car during— , were thrown at a psni car onnng on— , were thrown at a psni car during an illegal anti republican- during an illegal anti republican march. the terror nnreon— republican march. the terror nest in— republican march. the terror threat in the— republican march. the terror threat in the region had been raised— threat in the region had been raised following— threat in the region had been raised following warnings of possible— raised following warnings of possible attacks on officers today.— possible attacks on officers roooy. wen,— possible attacks on officers today. well, the— possible attacks on officers today. well, the violence comes onene— today. well, the violence comes need on— today. well, the violence comes need of ne— today. well, the violence comes ahead of the prime minister's yrsn— ahead of the prime minister's yrsn no— ahead of the prime minister's visit to belfast— ahead of the prime minister's visit to belfast tomorrow. he's going— visit to belfast tomorrow. he's going no— visit to belfast tomorrow. he's going io ne— visit to belfast tomorrow. he's going to be hosting the presideni— going to be hosting the president, joe biden , to mark president, joe biden, to mark the president, joe biden, to mark ine zsin— president, joe biden, to mark the 25th anniversary of the good iriioy— the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement.— the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement. when we turn our friday agreement. when we turn oiieniion— friday agreement. when we turn our attention now— friday agreement. when we turn our attention now to israel , our attention now to israel, nnere— our attention now to israel, nnere ine— our attention now to israel, where the mother of two british isroeii — where the mother of two british israeli sisters— where the mother of two british israeli sisters who _ where the mother of two british israeli sisters who were killed in o— israeli sisters who were killed in o iiesi— israeli sisters who were killed in a west bank— israeli sisters who were killed in a west bank attack has died in a west bank attack has died in nosoiioi— in a west bank attack has died in nosniioi .— in a west bank attack has died in hospital . lucy— in a west bank attack has died in hospital . lucy dodi was in hospital. lucy dodi was iroveiiine— in hospital. lucy dodi was travelling with— in hospital. lucy dodi was travelling with her two

iongniers— travelling with her two daughters, maya and rena, who zo— daughters, maya and rena, who 20 one— daughters, maya and rena, who were 20 and 15— daughters, maya and rena, who were 20 and 15 years old when ineir— were 20 and 15 years old when ineir sor— were 20 and 15 years old when ineir nos— were 20 and 15 years old when their car was targeted by a snspeeiei— their car was targeted by a suspected palestinian gunman . a suspected palestinian gunman. a inneroi— suspected palestinian gunman. a inneroi nos— suspected palestinian gunman. a funeral was held— suspected palestinian gunman. a funeral was held for the sisters on iriioy— funeral was held for the sisters on iriioy oni— funeral was held for the sisters on friday and their father and iney-s— on friday and their father and lucy's husband,— on friday and their father and lucy's husband, rabbi leo dee, says— lucy's husband, rabbi leo dee, soys nis— lucy's husband, rabbi leo dee, soys nis ioniiy— lucy's husband, rabbi leo dee, says his family of— lucy's husband, rabbi leo dee, says his family of seven has now been— says his family of seven has now been reduced— says his family of seven has now been reduced to— says his family of seven has now been reduced to four. but the isroeii— been reduced to four. but the isroeii flag— been reduced to four. but the israeli flag today— been reduced to four. but the israeli flag today sent out a nessee— israeli flag today sent out a nessge io— israeli flag today sent out a message to humanity, which is we will message to humanity, which is we niii nee— message to humanity, which is we will never accept— message to humanity, which is we will never accept terror as iegiiinoie. — will never accept terror as legitimate. we- will never accept terror as legitimate. �*fir�*rz; cc will never accept terror as legitimate. �*fyirz; cc will never accept terror as- legitimate. we will never blame the murder on the victims , as the murder on the victims, as there is no such thing as moral equivalence between terrorists and victim. the terrorist is always bad . nhs england says always bad. nhs england says emergency— always bad. nhs england says energeney sore— always bad. nhs england says emergency care will— zifi: nhs england says emergency care will be prioritised— emergency care will be prioritised during the junior ioeiors— prioritised during the junior doctors strike.— prioritised during the junior doctors strike. the four day noironi— doctors strike. the four day walkout starting tomorrow is being— walkout starting tomorrow is being described— walkout starting tomorrow is being described as the most iisrnniive— being described as the most disruptive of— being described as the most disruptive of industrial action in ins— disruptive of industrial action in nhs history.— disruptive of industrial action in nhs history. the health body ine— in nhs history. the health body warns the dispute— in nhs history. the health body warns the dispute over pay will mean appointments and operations will mean appointments and operations niii ne— mean appointments and operations will be cancelled— mean appointments and operations will be cancelled with immense pressure on staff— will be cancelled with immense pressure on staff and services . pressure on staff and services. ioionr— pressure on staff and services. ioionr says— pressure on staff and services. ioionr soys ii— pressure on staff and services.

labour says it plans to launch oes— labour says it plans to launch more ads attacking the prime iiinisien— more ads attacking the prime minister, the— more ads attacking the prime minister, the next one blaming nin— minister, the next one blaming nin nor— minister, the next one blaming him for crashing— minister, the next one blaming him for crashing the economy. ine— him for crashing the economy. ine ioionr— him for crashing the economy. the labour leader has defended the the labour leader has defended ine iirsi— the labour leader has defended ine iirsi oi— the labour leader has defended the first ad targeting rishi senor,— the first ad targeting rishi sunak, which— the first ad targeting rishi sunak, which suggests he doesn't noni— sunak, which suggests he doesn't noni onio— sunak, which suggests he doesn't want child sex— sunak, which suggests he doesn't want child sex abusers to go to jail want child sex abusers to go to ioii .— want child sex abusers to go to ioii . wining— want child sex abusers to go to ioii . wining in— want child sex abusers to go to jail . writing in the daily mail, jail. writing in the daily mail, sir jail. writing in the daily mail, sir keir— jail. writing in the daily mail, sir keir starmer_ jail. writing in the daily mail, sir keir starmer says he makes opoiogies— sir keir starmer says he makes zero apologies for— sir keir starmer says he makes zero apologies for the ad . zero apologies for the ad. inn-s— zero apologies for the ad. that's despite— zero apologies for the ad. that's despite criticism from inns— that's despite criticism from mps, including— that's despite criticism from mps, including those from his pony— mps, including those from his pony winn— mps, including those from his own party with lord david ninnreii— own party with lord david blunkett calling it gutter poiiiies— blunkett calling it gutter ooiiiies io— blunkett calling it gutter politics to climate change. iroiesiers— politics to climate change. protesters have— politics to climate change. protesters have been arrested oner— protesters have been arrested oiier jumpinsj— protesters have been arrested oiier jumping o— protesters have been arrested after jumping a barrier of a afterjumping a barrier of a dinosaur— afterjumping a barrier of a dinosaur display in coventry . dinosaur display in coventry. ine— dinosaur display in coventry. ine insi— dinosaur display in coventry. ine insr snoo— dinosaur display in coventry. the just stop oil activist gnesis— the just stop oil activist guests entered the exhibition at the guests entered the exhibition at ine nerien— guests entered the exhibition at the herbert art— guests entered the exhibition at the herbert art gallery and museum— the herbert art gallery and museum before— the herbert art gallery and museum before being tackled by seenriiy. — museum before being tackled by seenriiy. ine— museum before being tackled by security. the protesters named by ine— security. the protesters named by ine group— security. the protesters named by ine group os— security. the protesters named by the group as daniel knorr and visions— by the group as daniel knorr and victoria linsell,_ by the group as daniel knorr and victoria linsell, were arrested on suspicion— victoria linsell, were arrested on suspieion oi— victoria linsell, were arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage. — on suspicion of causing criminal damage. iiesi— on suspicion of causing criminal damage. west midlands police says— damage. west midlands police says i— damage. west midlands police soys ii seized— damage. west midlands police says it seized two— damage. west midlands police says it seized two large bags of dry gaini— says it seized two large bags of dry poini oni— says it seized two large bags of dry paint and lastly, new genus— dry paint and lastly, new details have— dry paint and lastly, new details have been unveiled about the details have been unveiled about ine ring-s—

details have been unveiled about the king's coronation, including the king's coronation, including the procession— the king's coronation, including the procession route through oeniroi— the procession route through central london.— the procession route through central london. king charles and the central london. king charles and ine oueen— central london. king charles and the queen consort— central london. king charles and the queen consort will travel to iiesininsier— the queen consort will travel to westminster abbey in an air conditioned— westminster abbey in an air conditioned state coach. they'll nie— conditioned state coach. they'll ride in— conditioned state coach. they'll ride in iess— conditioned state coach. they'll ride in less comfortable surroundings- ride in less comfortable surroundings in the gold oorrioeg— surroundings in the gold carriage, first— surroundings in the gold carriage, first used in 1831 on men— carriage, first used in 1831 on ineir reurni— carriage, first used in 1831 on their return journey . crown their return journey. crown ieneis— their return journey. crown jewels featuring in the service ineiuie— jewels featuring in the service ineiuie ine— jewels featuring in the service include the sovereign's sceptre . coniiio— include the sovereign's sceptre . camilla will— include the sovereign's sceptre . camilla will be _ include the sovereign's sceptre . camilla will be holding the queen— . camilla will be holding the queen consort's_ . camilla will be holding the queen consort's rod controversially made from ivory. voure— controversially made from ivory. voure ug— controversially made from ivory. voure up io— controversially made from ivory. you're up to date— controversially made from ivory. you're up to date on tv online none — you're up to date on tv online none roiio— you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and— you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and on— you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune in app— dab+ radio and on the tune in egg winn— dab+ radio and on the tune in egg win on— dab+ radio and on the tune in app with gb news the people's cnonnei.— app with gb news the people's channel. we're— app with gb news the people's channel. we're now it's time to get— channel. we're now it's time to gei noon— channel. we're now it's time to gei noon io— channel. we're now it's time to gei noon io .— get back to. farage | ii-s— get back to. farage l ii-s ze- get back to. farage i it's 25 years- get back to. farage. - it's 25 years since get back to. farage it's 25 years since the belfast agreement and is on agreement and joe biden is on his way very shortly will be his way very shortly and will be in northern ireland tomorrow. 25 years. and we've had a relative penod years. and we've had a relative period of peace . i must confess

period of peace. i must confess i was one of those that had grave reservations about releasing 400 convicted murderers back into the community. but things have been better here over the course of the last 25 years. and you can walk through belfast today and it feels like a modern british city now, despite that, there are still problems recent shootings, and even today in londonderry or derry, depending which side of the fence you sit , there have been petrol bombs thrown at police vehicles . but thrown at police vehicles. but the real debate now , now is what the real debate now, now is what happens with the northern ireland assembly. what happens with that building at stormont? because of course the dup have said they will not go in to a power sharing government because of the ultimate brexit deal that has been negotiated by rishi sunak. he in turn putting pressure on the dup to get that assembly going again. and i've no doubt and we'll listen very carefully to the words that joe biden use his tomorrow, but i

sense there's going to be a big pressure on the dup to change their position. we'll see. but i wonder , what do you think? do wonder, what do you think? do you think the assembly should restart? give me your thoughts . restart? give me your thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. restart? give me your thoughts. farage at gb news .uk . well, farage at gb news .uk. well, let's go to stormont right now and be joined by dougie beattie , our northern ireland reporter dougie, good evening. thanks thanks for coming on just tell me, do we actually know what joe biden will be doing over the course of the next couple of days ? very little, it seems he days? very little, it seems he nos— days? very little, it seems he nos one— :�* very little, it seems he has one engagement in northern ireioni— has one engagement in northern ireland tomorrow,— has one engagement in northern ireland tomorrow, and that is in the ireland tomorrow, and that is in ine universiiy— ireland tomorrow, and that is in the university of— ireland tomorrow, and that is in the university of ulster. before he the university of ulster. before ne is— the university of ulster. before ne is inen— the university of ulster. before he is then travelling south of the he is then travelling south of ine border.— he is then travelling south of the border. it's— he is then travelling south of the border. it's rumoured that inere-s— the border. it's rumoured that there's different— the border. it's rumoured that there's different helicopter ioniing— there's different helicopter landing spots— there's different helicopter landing spots from there and ne-s— landing spots from there and en going— landing spots from there and en going io— landing spots from there and he's going to spend three days in ine— he's going to spend three days in the republic— he's going to spend three days in the republic of ireland now in the republic of ireland now in one— in the republic of ireland now in and around— in the republic of ireland now in and around the stormont esioie— in and around the stormont esioie. in— in and around the stormont estate. i'm actually standing at ioriioneni— estate. i'm actually standing at parliament building or castle iuiiiings— parliament building or castle iuiiiings-is— parliament building or castle buildings. is where the buildings. this is where the

noon— buildings. this is where the good agreement was good friday agreement was negoiioiei — good friday agreement was negotiated and— good friday agreement was negotiated and just up you have to negotiated and just up you have io oeiuoiiy— negotiated and just up you have to actually drive— negotiated and just up you have to actually drive through the siorn— to actually drive through the siorn oi— to actually drive through the storm at. estate - to actually drive through the storm at estate to get here. storm at the estate to get here. ani— storm at the estate to get here. and you— storm at the estate to get here. and you son— storm at the estate to get here. and you can see— storm at the estate to get here. and you can see the big camera rowers— and you can see the big camera iouers oni— and you can see the big camera iouers one so— and you can see the big camera towers and so forth— and you can see the big camera towers and so forth all in piece.— towers and so forth all in place._meant| towers and so forth all in. place._meant to towers and so forth all in- place._meant to be place. so he was meant to be nee.— place. so he was meant to be nee-nos— place. so he was meant to be here.-was meant- place. so he was meant to be here. was meant be an here. there was meant to be an all here. there was meant to be an oii singing,— here. there was meant to be an oii singing, on— here. there was meant to be an all singing, all dancing party for all singing, all dancing party or roe— all singing, all dancing party for joe biden— all singing, all dancing party for joe biden to— all singing, all dancing party for joe biden to come here and forjoe biden to come here and address— forjoe biden to come here and address ine— forjoe biden to come here and address the elected representatives that are in sermons— representatives that are in stormont. but— representatives that are in stormont. but of course that iiin-i— stormont. but of course that iiin-i go— stormont. but of course that didn't go well— stormont. but of course that didn't go well because of one ining. — didn't go well because of one ining. inis— didn't go well because of one thing. this the— didn't go well because of one thing. this the framework ioeuneni— thing. this the framework document and— thing. this the framework document and this document of , is you— document and this document of course , is you can— document and this document of course , is you can see the size course, is you can see the size of course, is you can see the size oi ii.— course, is you can see the size oi in its— course, is you can see the size oi in its very,— course, is you can see the size oi in its very, very— course, is you can see the size of it. it's very, very thin. inn-s— of it. it's very, very thin. that's rishi _ of it. it's very, very thin. that's rishi sunak document that this that's rishi sunak document that inis ioeuneni— that's rishi sunak document that this document here, this is the ioeuneni— this document here, this is the ioeuneni .— this document here, this is the document , but— this document here, this is the document , but the us document document, but the us document one— document, but the us document and ii— document, but the us document and ii you— document, but the us document and ii you reori— document, but the us document and if you read them both, there is some startling— and if you read them both, there is some startling differences upon— is some startling differences upon inen— is some startling differences upon inen .— is some startling differences upon them . but— is some startling differences upon them . but in one page, in a upon them. but in one page, in a ioini— upon them. but in one page, in a ioini py— upon them. but in one page, in a ioini py ine— upon them. but in one page, in a joint by the both— upon them. but in one page, in a joint by the both of— upon them. but in one page, in a joint by the both of them, it says— joint by the both of them, it says insi— joint by the both of them, it says no ii— joint by the both of them, it says that it is— joint by the both of them, it says that it is there to protect ine— says that it is there to protect ine noon— says that it is there to protect the good friday— says that it is there to protect the good friday agreement. well, it's the good friday agreement. well, es que— the good friday agreement. well, it's quite obvious— the good friday agreement. well, it's quite obvious that it oeiuoiiy— it's quite obvious that it actually isn't,- it's quite obvious that it actually isn't, because the good iriioy— actually isn't, because the good friday agreement— actually isn't, because the good friday agreement no longer friday agreement is no longer opening— friday agreement is no longer operating, unionists of operating, because unionists of all operating, because unionists of oii snoies— operating, because unionists of all shades,.must_ operating, because unionists of all shades, must said , are all shades, it must be said, are noi— all shades, it must be said, are noi-niin— all shades, it must be said, are noi-niin ine — all shades, it must be said, are not with the framework not happy with the framework ioeuneni— not happy with the framework ioeuneni .— not happy with the framework document . it— not happy with the framework document . it couple of document. it has a couple of reoiiy— document. it has a couple of reoiiy poi— document. it has a couple of really bad points— document. it has a couple of

really bad points in it and most unionisis— really bad points in it and most unionists today— really bad points in it and most unionists today they seen i was nere— unionists today they seen i was nere oni— unionists today they seen i was nere one my— unionists today they seen i was here and my phone was going and iney— here and my phone was going and iney were— here and my phone was going and iney spying,— here and my phone was going and they were saying, dougie, the insi— they were saying, dougie, the reason that rishi _ they were saying, dougie, the reason that rishi sunak tells us inni— reason that rishi sunak tells us we we— reason that rishi sunak tells us we we musi— reason that rishi sunak tells us that we must find— reason that rishi sunak tells us that we must find that bravery , that we must find that bravery, insi— that we must find that bravery, inoi ws— that we must find that bravery, that was back— that we must find that bravery, that was back in— that we must find that bravery, that was back in 1998, was that we oii— that was back in 1998, was that we were all in— that was back in 1998, was that we were all in the— that was back in 1998, was that we were all in the room behind ewerypoiy— we were all in the room behind ewerypoiy ws— we were all in the room behind everybody was in— we were all in the room behind everybody was in a different nui— everybody was in a different room. but then— everybody was in a different room. but then negotiators went ieiween— room. but then negotiators went ieiween inen. — room. but then negotiators went between them. it— room. but then negotiators went between them. it took quite a iong—i- between them. it took quite a iong—i wes- long while. i know i was spending— long while. i know i was standing here- long while. i know i was standing here before they all non— standing here before they all had-agreement- standing here before they all had agreement and we were all had an agreement and we were all out had an agreement and we were all oui-porr— had an agreement and we were all oui-porr in— had an agreement and we were all oui-porr in ine— had an agreement and we were all out-park in the back- out the car park in the back wnen—oui- out the car park in the back when—out and. out the car park in the back- when_out and announced when they came out and announced that agreement. basically ewerypoiy— that agreement. basically everybody in— that agreement. basically everybody in northern ireland in— everybody in northern ireland in inose— everybody in northern ireland was in those negotiations. what has was in those negotiations. what nos noppenei— was in those negotiations. what has happened here is that rishi sunor— has happened here is that rishi sunor oni— has happened here is that rishi sunak and before— has happened here is that rishi sunak and before that , liz truss sunak and before that, liz truss oni— sunak and before that, liz truss one ieiore— sunak and before that, liz truss and before that— sunak and before that, liz truss and before that boris johnson weni— and before that boris johnson weni oni— and before that boris johnson went and negotiated with the eu on ienoii— went and negotiated with the eu on ienoii oi— went and negotiated with the eu on behalf of the— went and negotiated with the eu on behalf of the unionists. they were never allowed in the room. they— were never allowed in the room. iney neve— were never allowed in the room. iney goi— were never allowed in the room. they never got to— were never allowed in the room. they never got to ask the guesiions. — they never got to ask the questions. and - they never got to ask the questions. and what has happened is we— questions. and what has happened is we nove— questions. and what has happened is we now have a— questions. and what has happened is we now have a deal with the eu is we now have a deal with the nu nos— is we now have a deal with the nu nos iinoi— is we now have a deal with the eu has final say— is we now have a deal with the eu has final say over laws on irone— eu has final say over laws on iroie oni— eu has final say over laws on trade and customs, vat and everyining— trade and customs, vat and everything else— trade and customs, vat and everything else that is coming in one— everything else that is coming in one oui— everything else that is coming in one oui oi— everything else that is coming in and out of northern ireland. were— in and out of northern ireland.

inere is— in and out of northern ireland. there is actually— in and out of northern ireland. there is actually only one green igne— there is actually only one green ione in— there is actually only one green lane in northern— there is actually only one green lane in northern ireland that is for lane in northern ireland that is ior reinin— lane in northern ireland that is ior reioii. ii— lane in northern ireland that is for retail. if you— lane in northern ireland that is for retail. if you read these ioeunenis— for retail. if you read these documents very— for retail. if you read these documents very closely , it means documents very closely, it means insi— documents very closely, it means we oniy— documents very closely, it means that only retail— documents very closely, it means that only retail can— documents very closely, it means that only retail can get in and out:— that only retail can get in and on, one— that only retail can get in and on, one insi— that only retail can get in and out, and that is— that only retail can get in and out, and that is if— that only retail can get in and out, and that is if it's one iron— out, and that is if it's one iron poini— out, and that is if it's one from point to— out, and that is if it's one from point to point delivery . so from point to point delivery. so inn-s— from point to point delivery. so inoi-s groupoge— from point to point delivery. so that's groupage real problems wiin— that's groupage real problems wiin oroupoge,— that's groupage real problems with groupage, which means that produci— with groupage, which means that proiuei going— with groupage, which means that proiuei going oui— with groupage, which means that product going out of northern ireionei— product going out of northern ireland, back— product going out of northern ireland, back to— product going out of northern ireland, back to the uk won't nove— ireland, back to the uk won't neve ine— ireland, back to the uk won't have the same— ireland, back to the uk won't have the same lorries. it'll be ire— have the same lorries. it'll be iiie ne— have the same lorries. it'll be like me getting— have the same lorries. it'll be like me getting a— have the same lorries. it'll be like me getting a taxi to dublin upon.— like me getting a taxi to dublin oirpon. ii— like me getting a taxi to dublin airport. i'd have— like me getting a taxi to dublin airport. i'd have to pay it both ways— airport. i'd have to pay it both ways peeouse— airport. i'd have to pay it both ways because it's— airport. i'd have to pay it both ways because it's never coming poor— ways because it's never coming poor-rnese— ways because it's never coming poor-rnese re- ways because it's never coming back-these are all- ways because it's never coming back these are all things back empty. these are all things inni— back empty. these are all things we re— back empty. these are all things no going— back empty. these are all things that are going to— back empty. these are all things that are going to stall the irone— that are going to stall the iroie oi— that are going to stall the trade of northern ireland and ponieuioriy— trade of northern ireland and particularly and— trade of northern ireland and particularly and amongst is particularly and amongst them is inings— particularly and amongst them is inings ire— particularly and amongst them is things like state— particularly and amongst them is things like state aid, where iney— things like state aid, where iney nove— things like state aid, where iney neve io— things like state aid, where they have to obey eu rules . they have to obey eu rules. ineir— they have to obey eu rules. ineir viii— they have to obey eu rules. their vat will— they have to obey eu rules. their vat will be at a disadvantage with that of the eu and ponieuioriy— disadvantage with that of the eu and particularly corporation tax as weii. — and particularly corporation tax as weii. so— and particularly corporation tax as well. so all— and particularly corporation tax as well. so all these things unionisis— as well. so all these things unionists are— as well. so all these things unionists are saying, hold on, we oi— unionists are saying, hold on, we oi u very— unionists are saying, hold on, we are at a very big disadvantage here and we are being— disadvantage here and we are being neig— disadvantage here and we are being held inside the eu. we nove— being held inside the eu. we neve no— being held inside the eu. we have no control— being held inside the eu. we have no control over those laws ieeouse— have no control over those laws because we have— have no control over those laws because we have no meps and if inere-s— because we have no meps and if inere-s no— because we have no meps and if there's no meps,— because we have no meps and if there's no meps, well how are

iney— there's no meps, well how are iney going— there's no meps, well how are iney going io— there's no meps, well how are they going to change the laws? ani— they going to change the laws? ani ii— they going to change the laws? ani ii is— they going to change the laws? ani ii is no— they going to change the laws? and it is now being rumoured insi— and it is now being rumoured inoi ine— and it is now being rumoured that the republic of ireland are going— that the republic of ireland are going io— that the republic of ireland are going io pe— that the republic of ireland are going io be given— that the republic of ireland are going to be given two more meps and going to be given two more meps one oi— going to be given two more meps one oi ouse— going to be given two more meps and of course sinn— going to be given two more meps and of course sinn fein and the woiionoiisis— and of course sinn fein and the nationalists that— and of course sinn fein and the nationalists that sit in this asseniiy— nationalists that sit in this assembly have— nationalists that sit in this assembly have meps in the ioepuiiie— assembly have meps in the nepupiie oi— assembly have meps in the republic of ireland so they eouii— republic of ireland so they could change— republic of ireland so they could change the laws as they woni. — could change the laws as they woni. so— could change the laws as they woni. so os— could change the laws as they want. so as opposed to a power snoring— want. so as opposed to a power sharing executive— want. so as opposed to a power sharing executive unionists are very— sharing executive unionists are very muon— sharing executive unionists are very nuen spying— sharing executive unionists are very much saying this is an administrative— very much saying this is an administrative executive of wnien— administrative executive of wnien we — administrative executive of which we have— administrative executive of which we have no control over ine— which we have no control over we powers— which we have no control over the powers and— which we have no control over the powers and that is a big, big— the powers and that is a big, pig propien— the powers and that is a big, big problem tonight . what we're big problem tonight. what we're seeing— big problem tonight. what we're seeing in— big problem tonight. what we're seeing in londonderry is the end of seeing in londonderry is the end oi i994— seeing in londonderry is the end of 1994 periods. _ seeing in londonderry is the end of 1994 periods. two of them very— of 1994 periods. two of them were very contentious . they are were very contentious. they are ioepuiiieon— were very contentious. they are republican parades . they are republican parades. they are eeieiroiing— republican parades. they are celebrating the— republican parades. they are celebrating the easter rising . celebrating the easter rising. ene— celebrating the easter rising. one oi— celebrating the easter rising. one oi inen— celebrating the easter rising. one of them didn't take place ioioy— one of them didn't take place ioioy. ani— one of them didn't take place ioioy. one ine— one of them didn't take place today. and the second one, to be guiie— today. and the second one, to be guiie nonesi— today. and the second one, to be quite honest about— today. and the second one, to be quite honest about it, the pieiures— quite honest about it, the pictures look— quite honest about it, the pictures look very impressive . pictures look very impressive. nui— pictures look very impressive. nui ii— pictures look very impressive. nui ii iurns— pictures look very impressive. but it turns out— pictures look very impressive. but it turns out that there's a lot but it turns out that there's a ioi oi— but it turns out that there's a lot of youngsters— but it turns out that there's a lot of youngsters hit a psni poiroi— lot of youngsters hit a psni poiroi wagon— lot of youngsters hit a psni patrol wagon that was monitoring the patrol wagon that was monitoring ine siiuoiion— patrol wagon that was monitoring ine siiuoiion .— patrol wagon that was monitoring the situation . you— patrol wagon that was monitoring the situation . you will see the situation. you will see a camera on top— the situation. you will see a camera on top of- the situation. you will see a camera on top of it and it is reoiiy— camera on top of it and it is reoiiy eoning— camera on top of it and it is really coming to— camera on top of it and it is really coming to an end now . really coming to an end now. we-ii— really coming to an end now. we-ii see— really coming to an end now. we'll see what— really coming to an end now. we'll see what the night brings. but

we'll see what the night brings. nui oi— we'll see what the night brings. nui oi ine— we'll see what the night brings. but at the moment all is pretty guiei— but at the moment all is pretty guiei in— but at the moment all is pretty guiei in perry— but at the moment all is pretty guiei in perry . — but at the moment all is pretty quiet in derry . j”?”d but at the moment all is pretty quiet in derry . j”?rg (viz? quiet in derry. draghi great analysis . quiet in derry. draghi great analysis. thank you very much indeed. analysis. thank you very much indeed . well, joining me now indeed. well, joining me now from belfast is baroness kate hoey , of course, previously hoey, of course, previously chair of the northern ireland home affairs select committee when she was a member of parliament for vauxhall for many years . kate, let's just first years. kate, let's just first things first. biden is coming. would it be right and fair to acknowledge that the americans did play a very important role in that agreement? 25 years ago 7 in that agreement? 25 years ago ? good evening . yes, i think ? good evening. yes, i think its— ? good evening. yes, i think its ioir— ? good evening. yes, i think its ioir io— ? good evening. yes, i think it's fair to say— ? good evening. yes, i think it's fair to say that- 7” e: " g yes, i think it's fair to say that george iiiieneii— it's fair to say that george mitchell did— it's fair to say that george mitchell did get involved very nuen. — mitchell did get involved very nuen. ano— mitchell did get involved very much. and played a very useful roie— much. and played a very useful roie ienino— much. and played a very useful role behind the— much. and played a very useful role behind the scenes. but of wnoi— role behind the scenes. but of course, what biden seems to want to course, what biden seems to want io soy— course, what biden seems to want io soy oni— course, what biden seems to want io soy one one— course, what biden seems to want to say and other americans is inoi— to say and other americans is no iney— to say and other americans is that they america is a guarantor of that they america is a guarantor oi ine— that they america is a guarantor of the belfast— that they america is a guarantor of the belfast agreement, and inoi— of the belfast agreement, and no is— of the belfast agreement, and no is noi— of the belfast agreement, and that is not the— of the belfast agreement, and that is not the case. it was a ioini— that is not the case. it was a joint agreement— that is not the case. it was a joint agreement and the only guoroniors— joint agreement and the only guarantors are— joint agreement and the only guarantors are the british government—

guarantors are the british government and the irish goveneni — government and the irish government. so biden you know, i'm government. so biden you know, in noi— government. so biden you know, in noi guiie— government. so biden you know, i'm not quite sure— government. so biden you know, i'm not quite sure why he's even coming,— i'm not quite sure why he's even eorning, io— i'm not quite sure why he's even eorning, io pe— i'm not quite sure why he's even coming, to be honest . you know, coming, to be honest. you know, noving— coming, to be honest. you know, we're having about— coming, to be honest. you know, we're having about three days of oisrupiion— we're having about three days of oisrupiion oi— we're having about three days of disruption of traffic and all sons— disruption of traffic and all sons oi— disruption of traffic and all sorts of things. _ disruption of traffic and all sorts of things. i mean, it's unbelievable— sorts of things. i mean, it's unbelievable amount of unbelievable the amount of seeuriiy— unbelievable the amount of security that's— unbelievable the amount of security that's going to be here for security that's going to be here ior nin — security that's going to be here ior nin io— security that's going to be here for him to sort— security that's going to be here for him to sort sweep in for for him to sort of sweep in for non— for him to sort of sweep in for noii o— for him to sort of sweep in for noii o ony— for him to sort of sweep in for half a day. one— for him to sort of sweep in for half a day. one engagement, not going— half a day. one engagement, not going io— half a day. one engagement, not going to stormont— half a day. one engagement, not going to stormont and presumably it going to stormont and presumably ii viii— going to stormont and presumably ii wiii none— going to stormont and presumably it will make some— going to stormont and presumably it will make some great speech oioui— it will make some great speech oioui now— it will make some great speech about how stormont must be taken poor.— about how stormont must be taken poor. so— about how stormont must be taken poor. so i— about how stormont must be taken poor. so i ion-i— about how stormont must be taken back. so i don't think that's going— back. so i don't think that's going io— back. so i don't think that's going to impress anyone really in women— going to impress anyone really in northern ireland because nioen— in northern ireland because nioen nos— in northern ireland because biden has made his views on women— biden has made his views on northern ireland— biden has made his views on northern ireland pretty clear oni— northern ireland pretty clear on ne-s— northern ireland pretty clear on ne-s noi— northern ireland pretty clear and he's not quite i don't think we eouio— and he's not quite i don't think we eouio pui— and he's not quite i don't think we could put him— and he's not quite i don't think we could put him down as a supponer— we could put him down as a supponer oi— we could put him down as a supporter of northern ireland. nes— supporter of northern ireland. ne-s very,— supporter of northern ireland. ne-s very, very— supporter of northern ireland. he's very, very much a supporter coming— he's very, very much a supporter eorning iron — he's very, very much a supporter coming from his— he's very, very much a supporter coming from his background of irisn— coming from his background of irish republic— coming from his background of irish republic ism and irish nationalism— irish republic ism and irish nationalism. _ irish republic ism and irish nationalism . / irish republic ism and irish nationalism . “ii?" irish republic ism and irish nationalism . / nationalism. yeah, well, i think some of us would say he's not a great supporter of any part of the united kingdom, but that's perhaps another matter. now now, kate, we've just had dougie beattie, our reporter , you know, beattie, our reporter, you know,

pointing out that what is said in the glossy windsor framework document from the british government and what is in the european union document are often very contradictory indeed . whatever gets said by biden and is being said by sunak and others, i just cannot see the dup going back and getting stormont resurrected. couldn't you ? i can't. and i think that you? i can't. and i think that if you? i can't. and i think that ii iney— you? i can't. and i think that ii iney oio— you? i can't. and i think that ii iney oio oi— you? i can't. and i think that if they did at this— 7 it? c and i think that if they did at this stage there wouio— if they did at this stage there wouio pe— if they did at this stage there wouio ie o— if they did at this stage there would be a big— if they did at this stage there would be a big revolt amongst the would be a big revolt amongst ine gross— would be a big revolt amongst the grass roots— would be a big revolt amongst the grass roots of— would be a big revolt amongst the grass roots of unionism across northern— the grass roots of unionism across northern ireland. i mean , oni— across northern ireland. i mean , ono iei-s— across northern ireland. i mean , ono iei-s noi— across northern ireland. i mean , and let's not forget that when we noo— , and let's not forget that when we noo ine— , and let's not forget that when we had the 20th— , and let's not forget that when we had the 20th anniversary of the we had the 20th anniversary of one neiiosi— we had the 20th anniversary of the belfast agreement, sinn fein siornoni— the belfast agreement, sinn fein stormont wasn't— the belfast agreement, sinn fein stormont wasn't sitting either . stormont wasn't sitting either. sinn— stormont wasn't sitting either. sinn rein— stormont wasn't sitting either. sinn fein were— stormont wasn't sitting either. sinn fein were out for three yes— sinn fein were out for three yes so ine— sinn fein were out for three years, so the dup have only been out years, so the dup have only been oui ior— years, so the dup have only been oui ioriusi— years, so the dup have only been out for just over— years, so the dup have only been out for just over a— years, so the dup have only been out for just over a year. but you— out for just over a year. but you know,— out for just over a year. but you know, dougie's analysis was oisoiuieiy— you know, dougie's analysis was absolutely correct— you know, dougie's analysis was absolutely correct .— you know, dougie's analysis was absolutely correct . you know, absolutely correct. you know, why— absolutely correct. you know, wny wouio— absolutely correct. you know, why would anyone go back in to siorn— why would anyone go back in to siorn oui— why would anyone go back in to storm out and— why would anyone go back in to storm out and have— why would anyone go back in to storm out and have to implement

iosieoiiy— storm out and have to implement basically separating out themselves,— basically separating out themselves, i.e. their country, wonnern— themselves, i.e. their country, northern ireland,— themselves, i.e. their country, northern ireland, from the uniieo— northern ireland, from the united kingdom, which is their oouniry— united kingdom, which is their oouniry. ano— united kingdom, which is their souniry. one so— united kingdom, which is their country. and so you can see why the country. and so you can see why one oun— country. and so you can see why one our viii— country. and so you can see why the dup will not— country. and so you can see why the dup will not want to go in. so the dup will not want to go in. so i— the dup will not want to go in. so i eon-i— the dup will not want to go in. so i eon-i see— the dup will not want to go in. so i can't see it— the dup will not want to go in. so i can't see it happening. wigei— so i can't see it happening. wigei inere— so i can't see it happening. nigel there will— so i can't see it happening. nigel there will be huge pressure, huge pressure, and i'm oiroio— pressure, huge pressure, and i'm oiroio inoi— pressure, huge pressure, and i'm oiroio inoi o— pressure, huge pressure, and i'm afraid that a lot— pressure, huge pressure, and i'm afraid that a lot of— pressure, huge pressure, and i'm afraid that a lot of politicians in westminster— afraid that a lot of politicians in westminster have not really reori— in westminster have not really reoo inose— in westminster have not really read those two— in westminster have not really read those two documents that inoi— read those two documents that no dougie— read those two documents that that dougie held— read those two documents that that dougie held up absolutely oiiiereni— that dougie held up absolutely different views— that dougie held up absolutely different views .— that dougie held up absolutely different views . and the different views. and the framework _ different views. and the framework document has actually more— framework document has actually rnooe ine— framework document has actually made the protocol,— framework document has actually made the protocol, in my view , made the protocol, in my view, worse because it— made the protocol, in my view, worse because it cannot actually be enongeo— worse because it cannot actually be enongeo oni— worse because it cannot actually be changed and there is no way out be changed and there is no way oui oni— be changed and there is no way oui one we— be changed and there is no way out and we can't— be changed and there is no way out and we can't have that. and inereiore— out and we can't have that. and inereiore .— out and we can't have that. and therefore , the— out and we can't have that. and therefore , the only— out and we can't have that. and therefore , the only the only therefore, the only the only ining— therefore, the only the only ining inoi— therefore, the only the only thing that politicians from the po—uion— thing that politicians from the pro—union side— thing that politicians from the pro—union side have got left is to pro—union side have got left is io siop— pro—union side have got left is to stop stormont— pro—union side have got left is to stop stormont happening. and i'm to stop stormont happening. and in oiroio— to stop stormont happening. and i'm afraid that— to stop stormont happening. and i'm afraid that that is likely to i'm afraid that that is likely io go— i'm afraid that that is likely io go on— i'm afraid that that is likely io go on ior— i'm afraid that that is likely to go on for some time. i'm afraid that that is likely to go on for some time . yeah to go on for some time. yeah i ininv— to go on for some time. yeah i own youre— to go on for some time. yeah i think you're right.— to go on for some time. yeah i think you're right. i think the stalemate is there for a very, very long time to come. kate hoey, thank you very much indeed for joining us this evening. yeah no prospects of change

there. and sunak, the spinner may have got away with it in westminster, may have got away with it with his own party. it is not going to wash with the unionist community in northern ireland. absolutely no chance. in a moment , ireland. absolutely no chance. in a moment, we look at labour's recent attack ads. are they in poor taste ? are they gutter poor taste? are they gutter politics, as lord david blunkett calls them , or are they really calls them, or are they really rather effective ? and are labour rather effective? and are labour now showing actually , they now showing actually, they really do have the stomach for the fight .

well, campaign adverts and campaign posters often stir great controversy. i do know something about this myself from times gone past, but boy oh boy, we've all been saying that keir starmers labour party is really

lack lustre. there's no big clear message. they don't appear to perhaps have the stomach for the fight . well, maybe over the the fight. well, maybe over the course of the last few days, something has changed. have a look at these adverts that labour have been putting out and i think you'll see frankly you couldn't get stronger messages, you know. do you think adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should go to prison ? children should go to prison? rishi sunak doesn't do you think an adult convict convicted of possessing a gun with intent to harm should go to prison? sunak doesn't . do you think thieves doesn't. do you think thieves should be punished? sunak doesn't . boy, oh boy, they doesn't. boy, oh boy, they really are going for it here now . it's led to an absolutely massive storm of publicity . massive storm of publicity. motty and, you know, 20, 30 million views as on social media of these ads and on the commentary around them. and

within the labour party . i within the labour party. i mentioned before the break, lord blunkett , you know, he thinks blunkett, you know, he thinks the whole thing is gutter politic. it's lee anderson, deputy chairman of the conservative party, saying they're vile, but they're getting noticed and they're getting noticed and they're getting talked about. and interestingly, star zuma is not backing . down one little inch. backing. down one little inch. in fact , if anything, if in fact, if anything, if anything, he's doubling down and they're promising there are more ads to come. well, is this effective? will it work? peter edwards, former editor of labourlist supportive of the labourlist supportive of the labour party as an organisation, but not actually of it. are you surprised with these adverts? yeah, i'm a bit surprised. keir soorner— yeah, i'm a bit surprised. keir siorner nos— yeah, i'm a bit surprised. keir starmer has pitched to the puiiie— starmer has pitched to the pupiie nos— starmer has pitched to the public has always been perhaps a bit public has always been perhaps a iii oiiiereni— public has always been perhaps a bit different to— public has always been perhaps a bit different to what we've seen in one — bit different to what we've seen in one iosi— bit different to what we've seen in the last week. _ bit different to what we've seen in the last week. it— bit different to what we've seen in the last week. it was i'm a oi— in the last week. it was i'm a man of character,— in the last week. it was i'm a man of character, which i think he man of character, which i think ne is— man of character, which i think ne is pui— man of character, which i think he is, but then— man of character, which i think he is, but then also i have the eonpeienee— he is, but then also i have the competence that— he is, but then also i have the competence that someone like nons— competence that someone like boris johnson— competence that someone like boris johnson and liz truss senoiniy— boris johnson and liz truss certainly there's certainly lacked. there's a eonpieieiy— completely legitimate argument to completely legitimate argument iolnooe— completely legitimate argument to.made about— completely legitimate argument to made about 25% budget cuts to be made about 25% budget cuts to be made about 25% budget cuts io ine— to be made about 25% budget cuts io ine iiinisiry— to be made about 25% budget cuts to the ministry of— to be made about 25% budget cuts to the ministry of justice. it's

over nine years— to the ministry of justice. it's over nine years of tory governneni— over nine years of tory government and the effect that's had government and the effect that's noo on— government and the effect that's noo on so— government and the effect that's noo on so nony— government and the effect that's had on so many areas of criminal iusiiee— had on so many areas of criminal iusiiee sysien— had on so many areas of criminal justice system. give— had on so many areas of criminal justice system. give you one very— justice system. give you one very guiei— justice system. give you one very guiei soon— justice system. give you one very quick stat. the effective eonvieiion— very quick stat. the effective conviction .for- very quick stat. the effective conviction for rape conviction rate for rape oiienees— conviction rate for rape offences reported is between 1 one— offences reported is between 1 ono 2- — offences reported is between 1 ono 2- so— offences reported is between 1 ono 2- so we— offences reported is between 1 and 2. so we would all agree inoi— and 2. so we would all agree inoi inoi— and 2. so we would all agree no no is— and 2. so we would all agree that that is horrific . i and 2. so we would all agree that that is horrific. i think personoiiy— that that is horrific. i think personoiiy i— that that is horrific. i think personally i would have gone down— personally i would have gone down o— personally i would have gone down a slightly— personally i would have gone down a slightly different path wiin— down a slightly different path with - adverts _ down a slightly different path with .adverts ,_ down a slightly different path with adverts , but to still with the adverts, but to still iono— with the adverts, but to still land-critique- with the adverts, but to still land critique about the land that critique about the iusiiee— land that critique about the justice system _ land that critique about the justice system being decimated . justice system being decimated. i justice system being decimated. i neon.— justice system being decimated. i ine— justice system being decimated. i mean, the tories— justice system being decimated. i mean, the tories of— justice system being decimated. i mean, the tories of course have labour party, have attacked the labour party, you grooming gang you know, the grooming gang problems labour problems have happened in labour led . labour are soft, led towns. labour are soft, labour are weak. so sort of a case, a little bit of sow and ye shall reap. but this is like american attack ad politics. this is the kind of thing that you get in the states. you know, there's a senate race going on and it seems to more about and it seems to be more about rubbishing opponent very rubbishing the opponent very often america than it does often in america than it does about promoting your own agenda. there's american feel there's a really american feel to this . what you're really to this. what you're really saying is you see this as being out of character for starmer. i don't know . i don't know him don't know. i don't know him weii— don't know. i don't know him weii enougn— don't know. i don't know him well enough, but— don't know. i don't know him well enough, but it's certainly a well enough, but it's certainly o enonge—

well enough, but it's certainly o enonge in— well enough, but it's certainly a change in approach and i guesiion— a change in approach and i guesiion o— a change in approach and i question a little bit whether it's question a little bit whether its ine— question a little bit whether its one rigni— question a little bit whether it's the right one, even though i-ve— it's the right one, even though i-ve goi— it's the right one, even though i've got complete— it's the right one, even though i've got complete faith in in pg.— i've got complete faith in in keir—concern. i've got complete faith in in keir—concern is| i've got complete faith in in- keir_concern is and keir starmer, my concern is and in — keir starmer, my concern is and in o— keir starmer, my concern is and in o in— keir starmer, my concern is and in o in o— keir starmer, my concern is and i'm a i'm a labour— keir starmer, my concern is and i'm a i'm a labour member and nove— i'm a i'm a labour member and nove ieen— i'm a i'm a labour member and nove ieen ior— i'm a i'm a labour member and nove ieen ior o— i'm a i'm a labour member and have been for a couple of oeeooes— have been for a couple of decades and— have been for a couple of decades and one of the things we ioir— decades and one of the things we ioir oioui— decades and one of the things we ioir oioui is— decades and one of the things we talk about is perhaps how we try and talk about is perhaps how we try onolinings— talk about is perhaps how we try onolinings o— talk about is perhaps how we try and-things a bit— talk about is perhaps how we try and things a bit differently. and do things a bit differently. conservative— and do things a bit differently. conservative who— and do things a bit differently. conservative who are ruthless oni— and often nasty at general eieeiions— and often nasty at general elections. about and often nasty at general- elections. -about corbyn and often nasty at general- elec being-about corbyn and often nasty at general elec being described bout corbyn and often nasty at general elecbeing described asit corbyn and often nasty at general elecbeing described as a corbyn and often nasty at general elecbeing described as a corbywho and being described as a man who noieo— and being described as a man who noieo onion.— and being described as a man who hated britain. that's— and being described as a man who hated britain. that's not true. ed hated britain. that's not true. io iiiiiiono— hated britain. that's not true. ed miliband stabbed his brother in—ne-ii- ed miliband stabbed his brother in—ne-ii sioi- in the back and he'll stab oriioin— in the back and he'll stab britain-back- in the back and he'll stab britain back sir britain in the back by sir iiienoei— britain in the back by sir michael fallon. deeply michael fallon. a deeply unpleasant,— michael fallon. a deeply unpleasant, personal michael fallon. a deeply- unpleasant,-personal. michael fallon. a deeply- unpleasant,-personal . and unpleasant, deeply personal. and it unpleasant, deeply personal. and ii-ano— unpleasant, deeply personal. and ii-ano ine— unpleasant, deeply personal. and it-and the boris- it backfired. and the boris ionnson-s— it backfired. and the boris johnson's smears about keir siorner— johnson's smears about keir starmer-jemmy- johnson's smears about keir starmer jemmy savile, which starmer and jemmy savile, which i'm starmer and jemmy savile, which in .going— starmer and jemmy savile, which in .goinglrepeoi- starmer and jemmy savile, which i'm going repeat because i'm not going to repeat because iney-re—so- i'm not going to repeat because iney-re—so inel they're just nonsense. so the ion— they're just nonsense. so the iory pioypoor— they're just nonsense. so the tory playbook has been a pretty nosiy— tory playbook has been a pretty nosiy one— tory playbook has been a pretty nasty one.ithink_ tory playbook has been a pretty nasty one. think labour have nasty one. i think labour have gone— nasty one. i think labour have gone ior— nasty one. i think labour have gone for something more personoi. — gone for something more personoi. as— gone for something more personal. as you said, 20 niiiion— personal. as you said, 20 million-on- personal. as you said, 20 million on twitter. personal. as you said, 20- million -on twitter. people million views on twitter. people are million views on twitter. people ore—nui- million views on twitter. people ore—nui youl are talking about it. but you know— are talking about it. but you know .— are talking about it. but you know , os— are talking about it. but you know , os ine— are talking about it. but you know , as the old adage goes, know, as the old adage goes, i inink— know, as the old adage goes, i inink you-ve— know, as the old adage goes, i think you've got— know, as the old adage goes, i think you've got the think you've got to play the poki— think you've got to play the pan, noi— think you've got to play the ball, not the— think you've got to play the ball, not the man , unless ball, not the man, unless poiiiies— ball, not the man, unless poiiiies is— ball, not the man, unless politics is fundamentally eiongeoi— politics is fundamentally changed,-our- politics is fundamentally changed, our politics politics is fundamentally- changed,-our politics has changed, unless our politics has ieone— changed, unless our politics has become as americanised, as our iosi— become as americanised, as our iosi iooo— become as americanised, as our fast food culture— become as americanised, as our fast food culture and many of ine— fast food culture and many of one iiins— fast food culture and many of the films that— fast food culture and many of the films that we— fast food culture and many of the films that we watch , i don't the films that we watch, i don't know. — the films that we watch, i don't know. i— the films that we watch, i don't know. i eon-i— the films that we watch, i don't know. i can't i— the films that we watch, i don't

know. i can't i mean- the films that we watch, i don't know. i can't i mean ,- the films that we watch, i don't know. if?" g " know. i can't i mean, the general election may be some way away, but if the labour party begin with this sort of messaging and say there's more to come, maybe we're in for the most unpleasant general election ever. well, i hope not, nigel, pui— ever. well, i hope not, nigel, iui wnen— ever. well, i hope not, nigel, iui wnen you— ever. well, i hope not, nigel, but when you talk— well, i hope not, nigel, but when you talk about american poiiiies— but when you talk about american poiiiies weve— but when you talk about american politics, we've all— but when you talk about american politics, we've all got to oeeepi— politics, we've all got to oeeepi our— politics, we've all got to accept our role- politics, we've all got to accept our role in that. and i nove— accept our role in that. and i nove io— accept our role in that. and i have to hold— accept our role in that. and i have to hold you— accept our role in that. and i have to hold you to account over the have to hold you to account over one previo— have to hold you to account over the brexit referendum. the posier— the brexit referendum. the posier oi— the brexit referendum. the poster of the _ the brexit referendum. the poster of the syrian refugees on the slovenian _ poster of the syrian refugees on the slovenian border and the suggesiion— the slovenian border and the suggestion they're all coming to the suggestion they're all coming to inelono— suggestion they're all coming to inelono onen— suggestion they're all coming to the and then britain. the eu and then to britain. i iouno— the eu and then to britain. i iouno inoi— the eu and then to britain. i found that deeply inappropriate. and found that deeply inappropriate. anilinink— found that deeply inappropriate. and ithink that's— found that deeply inappropriate. and think that's contributed. and i think that's contributed. now— and i think that's contributed. now nony— and i think that's contributed. now nony poppie— and i think that's contributed. how many people were- and i think that's contributed. how many people were crossing the english channel in 2016 in dinghies? well, it was a much lower than is now. we've lower rate than is now. we've seen. no, no, no, no,- lower rate than is now. we've seen. no, no, no, no, no,- for" we've seen. no, no, no, no, no, zero. now— seen. no, no, no, no, no, zero. how many— seen. no, no, no, no, no, zero. now nony conne— seen. no, no, no, no, no, zero. how many came last- seen. no, no, no, no, no, zero. how many came last year? 45,000. i wholly justified i believe i'm wholly justified in putting that poster out. i said, as europe weakens its borders they borders and people come, they will try and come to britain. the absolutely direct. the link is absolutely direct. well, i think nonsense well, i think that's nonsense ieuse— well, i think that's nonsense ieeouse—your- because first of all, your posier— because first of all, your posier os— because first of all, your poster was a _ because first of all, your poster was a land border and ioiking— poster was a land border and we're talking about waterborne ossings — we're talking about waterborne crossings. -doesn't- we're talking about waterborne crossings. doesn't stand crossings. so that doesn't stand up. ine—

crossings. so that doesn't stand up. ine osk— crossings. so that doesn't stand up. ine osk you— crossings. so that doesn't stand up. me ask you question. up. let me ask you question. vou— up. let me ask you question. you enier— up. let me ask you question. you enter the— up. let me ask you question. you enter the eu— up. let me ask you question. you enter the eu illegally- up. let me ask you question. you enter the eu illegally and you then come to britain illegally. but look, i said at the beginning of this, i'm used to posters that cause to using posters that cause great debate and i found actually that what you do if you use. now they've got to be accurate that's important. accurate and that's important. but your poster wasn't. well that's why i need— but your poster wasn't. well that's why i need to- ” g well that's why i need to hold you to oeeouni— that's why i need to hold you to account-could- that's why i need to hold you to account-could be- account for it. it could be 80,000 this year. it was. i probably should have been stronger. is, if stronger. but the point is, if you posters like that, you put out posters like that, and i found by doing that, you lead debate, you lead the lead the debate, you lead the debate. think that's what debate. and i think that's what starmer is doing here. i think actually this is cleverest actually this is the cleverest thing he's since he was thing he's done since he was labour leader. disagree. i labour leader. i disagree. i wouion-i— labour leader. i disagree. i wouldn't have— labour leader. i disagree. i wouldn't have -this. wouldn't have taken this opprooen— wouldn't have taken this approach poster, wouldn't have taken this- approach-poster, but approach with the poster, but but approach with the poster, but iui-nove— approach with the poster, but but have complete but i still have complete faith in—ono- but i still have complete faith in—ono i- but i still have complete faith in_and i suspect| in keir starmer and i suspect oeiuoiiy— in keir starmer and i suspect oeiuoiiylioi— in keir starmer and i suspect actuallyllot of— in keir starmer and i suspect actually lot of labour actually a lot of the labour eonpoign— actually a lot of the labour eonpoign is— actually a lot of the labour campaign is going to be on the very— campaign is going to be on the very traditional— campaign is going to be on the very traditional areas of gp woiiing— waiting lists, nhs waiting ines— waiting lists, nhs waiting times,-class- waiting lists, nhs waiting. times,-class-and waiting lists, nhs waiting- times,-class-and so times, school class sizes and so on-so— times, school class sizes and so on-so nui— times, school class sizes and so on-so on. but but- times, school class sizes and so on so on. but but nigel, on and so on. but but nigel, i nove— on and so on. but but nigel, i nove-ioek— on and so on. but but nigel, i have-back and- on and so on. but but nigel, i have back and what you have to come back and what you say,— have to come back and what you soy-oiwoys— have to come back and what you soy-oiwoys very- say, you're always very professional- say, you're always very professional and cordial to me, but professional and cordial to me, iui-inink— professional and cordial to me, but-think-posterl but i do think the 2016 poster was around a distortion on was based around a distortion on inop— was based around a distortion on pg, inoi— was based around a distortion on that, that tens— was based around a distortion on that, that tens of— was based around a distortion on that, that tens of thousands of synon— that, that tens of thousands of

syrion-wouio- that, that tens of thousands of| syrian -would -to syrian refugees would come to union— syrian refugees would come to oriioin-oio— syrian refugees would come to britain-did not- syrian refugees would come to britain did not happen. britain and that did not happen. and i— britain and that did not happen. and i inink— britain and that did not happen. and i think you— britain and that did not happen. and i think you did know what you— and i think you did know what you wee— and i think you did know what you doing.— and i think you did know what you were doing. every single one of you were doing. every single one oi-peopie— you were doing. every single one oi-peopie-io- you were doing. every single one oi-peopie-io gei- you were doing. every single one of-people -to get to i of the people trying to get to union— of the people trying to get to oriioin py— of the people trying to get to britain by dinghy has crossed the britain by dinghy has crossed one-ioroers— britain by dinghy has crossed the borders europe or the land borders of europe or ine— the land borders of europe or one—oi— the land borders of europe or the—of europe. i the land borders of europe or- the_of europe. many the sea borders of europe. many nove— the sea borders of europe. many hove-inrougn— the sea borders of europe. many have-through the- have come in through the mediterranean, some have come in through the eastern land borders. said europe's borders. and i said if europe's borders. and i said if europe's borders weak, we will finish borders are weak, we will finish up getting a huge flow . what up getting a huge flow. what i hadnt up getting a huge flow. what i hadn't reckoned is that brexit, britain , a government in brexit, britain, a government in brexit, britain, a government in brexit, britain would allow this to would allow this situation to occur. well, i would say you've been— occur. well, i would say you've been vindicated _ occur. well, i would say you've been vindicated by— gee. ” well, i would say you've been vindicated by that point. nui— been vindicated by that point. now onywoy— been vindicated by that point. but anyway, let's— been vindicated by that point. but anyway, let's bring it back to but anyway, let's bring it back io wnere— but anyway, let's bring it back io wnere we— but anyway, let's bring it back to where we are— but anyway, let's bring it back to where we are today. general eieeiions— to where we are today. general elections. we've _ to where we are today. general elections. we've generally seen the elections. we've generally seen one iories— elections. we've generally seen the tories first— elections. we've generally seen the tories first to— elections. we've generally seen the tories first to get their nones— the tories first to get their nonos oiny— the tories first to get their hands dirty and labour under ed iiiiiiono— hands dirty and labour under ed iiiiiiono oni— hands dirty and labour under ed miliband and jeremy corbyn. the nosi— miliband and jeremy corbyn. the nosi eeni— miliband and jeremy corbyn. the most recent elections there's been— most recent elections there's been o— most recent elections there's been a nervous— most recent elections there's been a nervous and a desire to kind— been a nervous and a desire to kind oi— been a nervous and a desire to kind oi noio— been a nervous and a desire to kind of hold the— been a nervous and a desire to kind of hold the line that pernops— kind of hold the line that pernops-o- kind of hold the line that perhaps-a bit- kind of hold the line that perhaps a bit more perhaps we're a bit more prineipieo— perhaps we're a bit more principled and we don't principled folk and we don't guiie— principled folk and we don't guiie go— principled folk and we don't guiie go up— principled folk and we don't guiie go up io— principled folk and we don't quite go up to the brink in the way— quite go up to the brink in the woy-nove.- quite go up to the brink in the woy-nove. kno- quite go up to the brink in the way have. and the quite go up to the brink in the. way-have. and the one way the tories have. and the one inoi— way the tories have. and the one no reoiiy— way the tories have. and the one that really sticks— way the tories have. and the one that really sticks in— way the tories have. and the one that really sticks in my mind is the that really sticks in my mind is one one— that really sticks in my mind is one i— that really sticks in my mind is the one i mentioned earlier oioui— the one i mentioned earlier opoui guoie— the one i mentioned earlier about quote-ed. the one i mentioned earlier- about quote-ed miliband about quote unquote, ed miliband sioiieo—ioekl about quote unquote, ed miliband sioinei—ioekl about quote unquote, ed miliband

stab he stabbed back about quote unquote, ed miliband stabhe stabbed britain back about quote unquote, ed miliband stabhe stabbed britain in back about quote unquote, ed miliband stabhe stabbed britain in the :k and he stabbed britain in the kiosk.— and he stabbed britain in the kiosk-inn— and he stabbed britain in the back. that absolute back. and that is absolute eooswoiiop— back. and that is absolute codswallop because if ed iiiiiiono— codswallop because if ed miliband leadership codswallop because if ed miliband-leadership a miliband won the leadership in a fair miliband won the leadership in a ioir-open— miliband won the leadership in a fair-open election— fair and open election and i inink— fair and open election and i inink ine— fair and open election and i think the conservatives, jack snow—ine- think the conservatives, jack. straw _the gloves straw hay, but now the gloves are straw hay, but now the gloves ore- — straw hay, but now the gloves ore- .sirow— straw hay, but now the gloves are. .straw said- straw hay, but now the gloves are. .straw said the. are off. jack straw said the tories squealing like tories are squealing like animals. ican't tories are squealing like animals. i can't remember which oninoi— animals. i can't remember which oninoi we— animals. i can't remember which animal we described,— i can't remember which animal we described, but he was soying—noving- animal we described, but he was saying having done saying the tories, having done inis— saying the tories, having done inis-ining— saying the tories, having done inis-ininglzo- saying the tories, having done this thing 20 years, this type of thing for 20 years, are screaming,— this type of thing for 20 years, are screaming, screaming and sgueoiing—inoil are screaming, screaming andi sgueoiing—inoi is squealing horribly. that that is oisoiuieiy— squealing horribly. that that is oisoiuieiy-i— squealing horribly. that that is absolutely i gently absolutely true. i would gently eouogeo-i- absolutely true. i would gently encourage to back to encourage labour to go back to its encourage labour to go back to iis—siyie— encourage labour to go back to iis—siyie oi- its traditional style of campaigning its traditional style of- campaigning-course with its traditional style of- canthe gning -course with its traditional style of- canthe tools -course with its traditional style of- canthe tools of-course with its traditional style of canthe tools of the course with its traditional style of canthe tools of the internet. iith all the tools of the internet. nui—goi- all the tools of the internet. nui—goi io - all the tools of the internet. - but—got to campaign but labour has got to campaign in o— but labour has got to campaign in a different— but labour has got to campaign in a different way— but labour has got to campaign in a different way the in a different way to the ones— in a different way to the iories io— in a different way to the tories, to the- in a different way to the tories, to the tories as a viues— tories, to the tories as a values based— tories, to the tories as a values based party. i don't inink— values based party. i don't think they're— values based party. i don't think they're going to, even if you— think they're going to, even if you oo— think they're going to, even if you oo-inen— think they're going to, even if you do -them to. - think they're going to, even if you do them to. you do want them to. i think onio— you do want them to. i think iiis is— you do want them to. i think iiis is now— you do want them to. i think this is now set to set to run. i think we're headed for a really, really vicious run up to the next general election. i'm not saying just saying it's good. i'm just saying it's good. i'm just saying think has set the saying i think this has set the tone a moment. what on earth tone in a moment. what on earth is going on in scotland when the leader of the scottish tories says should tactically says people should tactically vote the party? the vote for the labour party? the tory don't like it. i tory party don't like it. i actually think he might be right. scotland where? john curtice in just a moment.

well, some of your thoughts on whether that assembly instalment should get restarted and whether it will get restarted . one it will get restarted. one viewer says the answer is only when the unionist contingent agree to it. of course, as it is set down in the settlement, i'd prefer it if the unionists stood their ground. but i'll tell you what the unionists are going to stand their ground. now. the leader of the scottish tories, douglas ross, other day douglas ross, said the other day , talking about the next general election in scotland and saying, look, you know, we are the conservative and unionist party, the most important thing to us is that we keep scotland very much part of the union. i get that second referendum off the agenda, he says. where there is the strongest candidate to beat the strongest candidate to beat the snp, you should get behind

that candidate . and he urged that candidate. and he urged rishi sunak as well as keir starmer to look a bit beyond their own narrow party agenda . their own narrow party agenda. but you see, the thing is, given our first past the post system, given the absolute tribalism that that instils, i think these parties care more about themselves ultimately than even themselves ultimately than even the cause is they purport to be in favour of. that's my take on it. does it make sense? are people voting tactically in scotland all dodi? and let's have a little look at what the first past the post system does in scotland. well, i'm very pleased to say that sir john curtice joins me down the line, president of the british polling council. and professor of politics at strathclyde university. john good evening. welcome to the show . i was welcome to the show. i was having a look having a look before we came on air at eight. nearly all the constituent

lantz's parliamentary constituent says westminster in the glasgow city area and similarly at the ones in the edinburgh area. and you can see nearly all of these seats last time round , the labour party, time round, the labour party, the snp won all these seats, but last or nearly all of them last time round, the labour party in glasgow were getting about four times the number of votes than the conservatives were getting . the conservatives were getting. and so actually if the snp are weakened by all the current scandals and whatever else is to come, logically what douglas ross says makes sense, doesn't it ? well, it makes sense if you it? well, it makes sense if you inink— it? well, it makes sense if you inink inoi— it? well, it makes sense if you think that the _ 7 well, it makes sense if you think that the principal opieeiive — think that the principal objective of _ think that the principal objective of in voting in seoiiono— objective of in voting in scotland is— objective of in voting in scotland is to- objective of in voting in scotland is to try and diminish scotland is to try and diminiin the scotland is to try and diminish ine swi— scotland is to try and diminish ine sun os— scotland is to try and diminish the snp as much— scotland is to try and diminish the snp as much as possible . but the snp as much as possible. but inere— the snp as much as possible. but inere oe— the snp as much as possible. but inere ivo— the snp as much as possible. but there are two downsides. so far as there are two downsides. so far os ine— there are two downsides. so far as the conservatives are concerned . downside number one concerned. downside number one is inoi—

concerned. downside number one is no in— concerned. downside number one is that in helping— concerned. downside number one is that in helping labour to win seois— is that in helping labour to win seois in— is that in helping labour to win seats in scotland— is that in helping labour to win seats in scotland and they might oiso— seats in scotland and they might oiso pe— seats in scotland and they might oiso pe neiping— seats in scotland and they might also be helping sir— seats in scotland and they might also be helping sir keir starmer secure an overall— also be helping sir keir starmer secure an overall majority in ine— secure an overall majority in one nouse— secure an overall majority in one nouse oi— secure an overall majority in the house of commons and indeed the house of commons and indeed one ioei— the house of commons and indeed one ioei inoi— the house of commons and indeed the fact that snp— the house of commons and indeed the fact that snp support has gone— the fact that snp support has gone down— the fact that snp support has gone down and— the fact that snp support has gone down and labour now look as inougn— gone down and labour now look as inougn iney-ve— gone down and labour now look as inougn iney-ve goi— gone down and labour now look as though they've got a— gone down and labour now look as though they've got a reasonable consen— though they've got a reasonable eoneen picking— though they've got a reasonable chance picking up— though they've got a reasonable chance picking up maybe at least a chance picking up maybe at least o oozen— chance picking up maybe at least o oozen seois— chance picking up maybe at least a dozen seats in— chance picking up maybe at least a dozen seats in scotland, maybe nos— a dozen seats in scotland, maybe more has undoubtedly improved ioiour-s— more has undoubtedly improved ioiour-s-oi— more has undoubtedly improved labour's of getting an labour's chances of getting an overoii— labour's chances of getting an overall majority— labour's chances of getting an overall majority across uk overall majority across the uk as overall majority across the uk os o wioie— overall majority across the uk as a whole. that's— overall majority across the uk as a whole. that's problem numeri— as a whole. that's problem number-the- as a whole. that's problem number the other problem is number one. the other problem is inoi— number one. the other problem is no ne— number one. the other problem is no ne wno— number one. the other problem is that he who lives— number one. the other problem is that he who lives by— number one. the other problem is that he who lives by the sword oie— that he who lives by the sword die by— that he who lives by the sword die by ine— that he who lives by the sword can die by the sword. and one of the can die by the sword. and one of one concerns— can die by the sword. and one of the concerns that— can die by the sword. and one of the concerns that the conservative - the concerns that the conservative party south of the border— conservative party south of the border viii— conservative party south of the border will undoubtedly have is wneiner— border will undoubtedly have is wneiner or— border will undoubtedly have is whether or not— border will undoubtedly have is whether or not voters are so disenchanted— whether or not voters are so disenchanted with the conservative - disenchanted with the conservative party that they are going— conservative party that they are going io — conservative party that they are going io voie— conservative party that they are going to vote tactically against the conservatives— going to vote tactically against the conservatives in the uk generoi— the conservatives in the uk general election— the conservatives in the uk general election . there are general election. there are oireooy— general election. there are oireooy signs— general election. there are already signs of that happening in ine— already signs of that happening in one ingiisn— already signs of that happening in the english local elections in the engliin local elections in the english local elections in iioy— in the english local elections in iioy oi— in the english local elections in may of last— in the english local elections in may of last year. it'll be oi— in may of last year. it'll be oi ine— in may of last year. it'll be one of the things we'll be iooking— one of the things we'll be iooking-ior— one of the things we'll be looking-for in- one of the things we'll be looking for in the local looking out for in the local eieeiions— looking out for in the local elections-but- looking out for in the local elections-but if. looking out for in the local. elections-but if the elections this year. but if the ioiour— elections this year. but if the labour.liberal_ elections this year. but if the labour liberal democrat labour if liberal democrat voeis— labour if liberal democrat- voerswerei—n voters in constituencies where ioiour— voters in constituencies where ioiour nove— voters in constituencies where labour have the— voters in constituencies where labour have the better chance.

so labour have the better chance. so more— labour have the better chance. so oi— labour have the better chance. so more of them— labour have the better chance. so more of them switch towards ioiour— so more of them switch towards ioiour oni— so more of them switch towards labour and equally some labour supponers— labour and equally some labour supporters switched towards iiieroi— supporters switched towards liberal democrats where the iiieroi— liberal democrats where the liberal democrats where the liberal democrats are better enoiiengers— liberal democrats are better challengers, then the conservatives could lose out guiie—os- conservatives could lose out guiie—os ineyl conservatives could lose out. quite—as they did, quite badly, much as they did, by quite badly, much as they did, by-way_ quite badly, much as they did, bv-wav .— quite badly, much as they did, py-woy , ine— quite badly, much as they did, by-way , the last- quite badly, much as they did, by way , the last time they by the way, the last time they erosneo— by the way, the last time they erosneo io — by the way, the last time they crashed to l serious- by the way, the last time they crashed to serious defeat, crashed to a serious defeat, wnien— crashed to a serious defeat, wnienleourse— crashed to a serious defeat, which course was the 1997 which of course was the 1997 generoi— which of course was the 1997 general election.— which of course was the 1997 general election. so you can be ion-i— general election. so you can be oon-i pe— general election. so you can be don't be surprised— general election. so you can be don't be surprised to hear that souin— don't be surprised to hear that souin oi— don't be surprised to hear that souin oi ine— don't be surprised to hear that south of the border, talk of ioeiieoi— south of the border, talk of tactical voting _ south of the border, talk of tactical voting is heard with a eenoin— tactical voting is heard with a certain amount— tactical voting is heard with a certain amount of trepidation on inside— certain amount of trepidation on inside conservative— certain amount of trepidation on inside conservative central oiiiee— inside conservative central oiiiee. — inside conservative central office . yeah.— inside conservative central office . “ii?" krzrivu�* inside conservative central office . “ii?" v..;.r.p inside conservative central office . “ii?" \iiiji�*iii�* inside conservative central- office . yeah. now that's a very office. yeah. now that's a very good explanation. and when it comes to tactical voting , you comes to tactical voting, you know, none of our parties advocate late tactical voting. it's sort of a sort of almost a kind of a sort of a community secret that gets discussed in bars and shopping centres. i mean, how big already is tactical voting ? well at the tactical voting? well at the last uk election in scotland, it was only ever present at the margin. so in the constituencies wnere— margin. so in the constituencies

wnere ine— ?”rg " so in the constituencies where the conservative were ?”g " so in the constituencies where the conservative were the sirongesi— where the conservative were the strongest challenger, the conservative _ strongest challenger, the conservative vote didn't go down guiie— conservative vote didn't go down guiie so— conservative vote didn't go down guiie so muon— conservative vote didn't go down quite so much in— conservative vote didn't go down quite so much in the labour vote ,weni— quite so much in the labour vote ,weni oown— quite so much in the labour vote ,weni oown o— quite so much in the labour vote , went down a little— quite so much in the labour vote , went down a little bit more inon— , went down a little bit more than elsewhere.— , went down a little bit more than elsewhere. meanwhile, where ioiour— than elsewhere. meanwhile, where ioiour wee— than elsewhere. meanwhile, where labour were the _ than elsewhere. meanwhile, where labour were the challenges, the opposiie— labour were the challenges, the opposiie os— labour were the challenges, the opposite was the— labour were the challenges, the opposite was the case. but youre— opposite was the case. but you-e ioiking— opposite was the case. but you're talking about one 1% of the you're talking about one 1% of one voie— you're talking about one 1% of one voie .— you're talking about one 1% of one voie . so— you're talking about one 1% of the vote . so to— you're talking about one 1% of the vote . so to that extent at the vote. so to that extent at ieosi— the vote. so to that extent at ieosi in— the vote. so to that extent at least in 2019,— the vote. so to that extent at least in 2019, it— the vote. so to that extent at least in 2019, it wasn't that inpononi— least in 2019, it wasn't that inpononi .— least in 2019, it wasn't that important. now— least in 2019, it wasn't that important. now that said, noweve in— important. now that said, however, in 2021, with a sonewnoi— however, in 2021, with a somewhat different electoral sysien— somewhat different electoral system whereby— somewhat different electoral system whereby voters had two voies— system whereby voters had two voies oni— system whereby voters had two voies ono iney— system whereby voters had two votes and they could therefore spiii— votes and they could therefore spiii ineir— votes and they could therefore split their votes— votes and they could therefore split their votes if they wished to split their votes if they wished io oo — split their votes if they wished io do so— split their votes if they wished io do so .— split their votes if they wished to do so , there— split their votes if they wished to do so , there are some pretty to do so, there are some pretty eieor— to do so, there are some pretty clear evidence— to do so, there are some pretty clear evidence that labour voeis— clear evidence that labour voters living _ clear evidence that labour voters living in— clear evidence that labour voters living in constituencies wnere— voters living in constituencies wnere ine— voters living in constituencies where the conservatives were the ieiier— where the conservatives were the better challenger. _ where the conservatives were the better challenger. some of them did better challenger. some of them on voie— better challenger. some of them on voie ior— better challenger. some of them did vote for the— better challenger. some of them did vote for the conservatives on one — did vote for the conservatives on the constituency vote and onen— on the constituency vote and inen veni— on the constituency vote and then went back— on the constituency vote and then went back to labour on the list— then went back to labour on the pg, voie— then went back to labour on the pg, voie .— then went back to labour on the list, vote , whereas— then went back to labour on the list, vote , whereas the opposite list, vote, whereas the opposite irue — list, vote, whereas the opposite irue in— list, vote, whereas the opposite was true in constituencies where ioiour— was true in constituencies where ioiour — was true in constituencies where ioiour ine— was true in constituencies where labour were the challengers. some— labour were the challengers. some conservatives undoubtedly noveo— some conservatives undoubtedly moved towards— some conservatives undoubtedly moved towards labour and that's oi— moved towards labour and that's oi ine— moved towards labour and that's one of the reasons— moved towards labour and that's one of the reasons why the snp did one of the reasons why the snp oio noi— one of the reasons why the snp oio noi gei— one of the reasons why the snp oio noi gei on— one of the reasons why the snp did not get an overall majority in ine— did not get an overall majority in the holyrood_ did not get an overall majority in the holyrood parliament back in the holyrood parliament back in zoni— in the holyrood parliament back in zozi oni— in the holyrood parliament back in 2021 and that— in the holyrood parliament back in 2021 and that may be an

inoieoiion— in 2021 and that may be an indication given— in 2021 and that may be an indication given that there's now a rather— indication given that there's now a rather greater readiness in-io— now a rather greater readiness in-io voie— now a rather greater readiness in to vote tactically in scotland to vote tactically inon— in scotland to vote tactically won—nui- in scotland to vote tactically than _ but the i in scotland to vote tactically. than _ but the truth than was the case. but the truth is ii— than was the case. but the truth is ii won-i— than was the case. but the truth is it won't have— than was the case. but the truth is it won't have an— than was the case. but the truth is it won't have an awful lot to do oireeiiy— is it won't have an awful lot to do directly what— is it won't have an awful lot to do directly what the do do directly what the parties do oi— do directly what the parties do oi-wnoi- do directly what the parties do now, of-what is- do directly what the parties do now, of what is true, now, of course, what is true, oni— now, of course, what is true, on one— now, of course, what is true, on oi— now, of course, what is true, and one of the— now, of course, what is true, and one of the reasons why ioeiieoi— and one of the reasons why tactical voting— and one of the reasons why tactical voting occur is, tactical voting can occur is, vein— tactical voting can occur is, wet, snou— tactical voting can occur is, well, shall we _ tactical voting can occur is, well, shall we don't well, shall we say, i don't inink— well, shall we say, i don't inink ine— well, shall we say, i don't think the labour party are going to think the labour party are going io iry— think the labour party are going io iry inoi— think the labour party are going io iry inoi noni— think the labour party are going to try that hard in— think the labour party are going to try that hard in murray or in gordon— to try that hard in murray or in gordon or— to try that hard in murray or in gordon or or— to try that hard in murray or in gordon or or in— to try that hard in murray or in gordon or or in some of the one— gordon or or in some of the other constituencies in the nonn— other constituencies in the north scotland, where the conservatives _ north scotland, where the conservatives might have a eoneen — conservatives might have a eoneen kno— conservatives might have a chance. and equally , yes, you chance. and equally, yes, you know— chance. and equally, yes, you know ine— chance. and equally, yes, you know the concerns to try that noro — know the concerns to try that noro in— know the concerns to try that hard in glasgow— know the concerns to try that hard in glasgow and that sorneirneis— hard in glasgow and that sometimes sends out a message to voersi— sometimes sends out a message to voersi kno— sometimes sends out a message to voters. and exactly— sometimes sends out a message to voters. and exactly the same way as voters. and exactly the same way osi-— voters. and exactly the same way osi- eeni— voters. and exactly the same way osi- eeni py- voters. and exactly the same way as in recent by elections as we saw in recent by elections souin— as we saw in recent by elections souin oi— as we saw in recent by elections souin oi ine— as we saw in recent by elections south of the border.— as we saw in recent by elections south of the border. now, in some constituencies like wakefield, _ some constituencies like wakefield, labour tried hard . wakefield, labour tried hard. t hey— wakefield, labour tried hard. iney wouio— wakefield, labour tried hard. they would-put- wakefield, labour tried hard. they would put up a paper they would only put up a paper eonoiooie— they would only put up a paper candidate-in- they would only put up a paper candidate in tiverton, candidate, whereas in tiverton, for candidate, whereas in tiverton, ior evonpie— candidate, whereas in tiverton, ior evonpie .— candidate, whereas in tiverton, for example , labour didn't try for example, labour didn't try noni— for example, labour didn't try noro oni— for example, labour didn't try hard and the— for example, labour didn't try hard and the democrats were doing— hard and the democrats were doing-ine— hard and the democrats were doing the fighting. so you doing all the fighting. so you eon-inose— doing all the fighting. so you can those subliminal can get those subliminal messages from the parties in the way— messages from the parties in the woylwnien— messages from the parties in the way which intensify way in which the intensify or oinerwise — way in which the intensify or otherwise they _ way in which the intensify or otherwise they campaign, in wnien— otherwise they campaign, in which voters— otherwise they campaign, in which voters will up . but which voters will pick up. but sure-eougios- which voters will pick up. but sure, douglas rod said, sure, no what douglas rod said, koss— sure, no what douglas rod said, koss soio—

sure, no what douglas rod said, ross said specifically , is ross said specifically, is soneining— ross said specifically, is something that it's very, very ior— something that it's very, very rare for parties— something that it's very, very rare for parties to— something that it's very, very rare for parties to be willing to rare for parties to be willing io oo— rare for parties to be willing io oo . — rare for parties to be willing io oo . wet.— rare for parties to be willing to do . well, john,- rare for parties to be willing to do . kylie: ’y:::““ rare for parties to be willing to do . will yin““ rare for parties to be willing to do . winnie: ’yin““ to do. well, john, as you know, i'm an opponent of this. you know, we're the snp get 45% of the vote and 90% of the seats. i'm not a fan of first past the post. maybe, maybe tactical voting will be what decides the next election. thank you sir john curtis, for joining next election. thank you sir john curtis, forjoining us here again on gb news. a couple of quick what the farage is for today. the first one is that that there's been an increase by 38% in civil servants taking days off for mental health. it's put down to excessive workload . put down to excessive workload. it's particularly aimed at the department of justice, which we talked about earlier on in the programme. forgive me , with so programme. forgive me, with so many civil servants working from home, how on earth can mental health and stress be up by 38? and what the farage that's really made me laugh today is elon musk, the ever radical elon

musk. well, the bbc we have now on their strap line on twitter because of elon musk, they're now described as government funded media. so they're put into the same class as russia today and trt from turkey and many others. i find it really, really funny and maybe slightly unfair, maybe a little inaccurate. after all, it's a licence fee that we pay, but i'm enjoying it and i'm enjoying much of what elon musk is doing over at twitter. now, in a moment , i'll over at twitter. now, in a moment, i'll be joined by dr. lee rotherham for talking pints, a campaigner against government waste. a campaigner against the excesses and ultimately membership of the european union. and he's setting up a museum of brexit. we're going to find out more in just a moment.

it's talking pints, dr. lee rotherham, welcome to the program . very good to see you. program. very good to see you. now now you are a long term , now now you are a long term, very consistent campaigner. you've been campaigning for many of the same issues over years and years with organisations like the taxpayers alliance . like the taxpayers alliance. yes, i just i like the taxpayers alliance. yes, ijust i sort like the taxpayers alliance. yes, i just i sort of got to thinking we've got the highest tax burden that we've had since clement attlee. how well do you think government spending our money? well let's let's, let's compare now and back to 20, 25 years ago when the when the bumper books came out . i think bumper books came out. i think there's more of an— there's more of an awareness inoi— there's more of an awareness that government— there's more of an awareness that government isn't there to wow— that government isn't there to inrow money— that government isn't there to throw money at— that government isn't there to throw money at problems . i'm not throw money at problems. i'm not convinced— throw money at problems. i'm not convinced that— throw money at problems. i'm not convinced that it's— throw money at problems. i'm not convinced that it's widely oppreeioieo— convinced that it's widely appreciated that it needs to do ieiier— appreciated that it needs to do better because _ appreciated that it needs to do better because i— appreciated that it needs to do better because i think it's a iessno— better because i think it's a iessno inoi— better because i think it's a lesson that has— better because i think it's a lesson that has to be keep keep

ieing— lesson that has to be keep keep being relearned_ lesson that has to be keep keep being relearned as— lesson that has to be keep keep being relearned as people progress— being relearned as people progress through whitehall, peopie— progress through whitehall, people progress through the various institutions. you various institutions. and as you know—ine- various institutions. and as you know—iine overi various institutions. and as you. know _time over in know full well from time over in nrusseis— know full well from time over in nrusseislii-s— know full well from time over in brusselint's always— know full well from time over in brussels it's always spending brussels, it's always spending soneiooy— brussels, it's always spending somebody else's_ brussels, it's always spending somebody else's over somebody else's money over were.— somebody else's money over inerelinoi— somebody else's money over there..that-is- there. so that lesson is persistently— there. so that lesson is persistently never learnt. well, it persistently never learnt. well, ii seeeo— persistently never learnt. well, it seemed over— persistently never learnt. well, it seemed over there that money wosloiieei— it seemed over there that money wosloiieei ior— it seemed over there that money was object for anything, but was no object for anything, but i'm was no object for anything, but in -reoiiy— was no object for anything, but i-n-reoiiy-inel i'm thinking really about the nus. — i'm thinking really about the nhs. .extraordinary- i'm thinking really about the nhs. : g nhs. it's extraordinary, isn't it? you know, we were having debates about whether we should increase the 7 or 8% of gdp. our spending on the national health service. this real raged for many years . we're now spending many years. we're now spending 12% of our gdp on the nhs, 50% more than we were just a few years ago . so it doesn't feel years ago. so it doesn't feel 50% better. well, it's certainly not if you're queuing for something. there not if you're queuing for something . there are certain something. there are certain in— something. there are certain issues in politics— “q there are certain issues in politics which at ines— issues in politics which at iines oe— issues in politics which at times are on— issues in politics which at times are on a— issues in politics which at times are on a pedestal and it's poiiiieoiiy— times are on a pedestal and it's politically dangerous to talk oioui— politically dangerous to talk oioui inen— politically dangerous to talk about them because it's seen as about them because it's seen as o oroin— about them because it's seen as o oroin on— about them because it's seen as o oroin on ine— about them because it's seen as a drain on the subject. and as soon as you start— a drain on the subject. and as soon as you start touching on men,— soon as you start touching on inen, inen— soon as you start touching on them, then you— soon as you start touching on them, then you you're seen as an enemy— them, then you you're seen as an

enemy oi— them, then you you're seen as an enemy oi ine— them, then you you're seen as an enemy of the status— them, then you you're seen as an enemy of the status quo and of roiionoiiiy— enemy of the status quo and of rationality and— enemy of the status quo and of rationality and an— enemy of the status quo and of rationality and an evil person oinosi— rationality and an evil person almost, because— rationality and an evil person almost, because you're trying to enonge— almost, because you're trying to change something— almost, because you're trying to change something which has been put change something which has been pui on— change something which has been pui so— change something which has been pui so nign— change something which has been pui so nign o— change something which has been put on. so high a pedestal. the nus,— put on. so high a pedestal. the nhs, unfortunately, is one of onen— nhs, unfortunately, is one of inen. ior— nhs, unfortunately, is one of them. for years,— nhs, unfortunately, is one of them. for years, immigration has been— them. for years, immigration has been onoiner— them. for years, immigration has been another one— them. for years, immigration has been another one where if you wonieo— been another one where if you wanted-discuss— been another one where if you wanted discuss the issue, it wanted to discuss the issue, it you— wanted to discuss the issue, it was you were basically on the iringes— was you were basically on the iringes oi— was you were basically on the fringes of politics— was you were basically on the fringes of politics and well, inoi-s— fringes of politics and well, that's there's— fringes of politics and well, that's there's a— fringes of politics and well, that's there's a real danger, i know.— that's there's a real danger, i know. nui— that's there's a real danger, i know. but there's— that's there's a real danger, i know. but there's a real danger wiin— know. but there's a real danger wiin inoi. — know. but there's a real danger wiin inoi. ii-s— know. but there's a real danger with that. it's a— know. but there's a real danger with that. it's a real danger wiin— with that. it's a real danger win win— with that. it's a real danger with with that— with that. it's a real danger with with that because if you ion-i— with with that because if you oon-i inen — with with that because if you don't then turn— with with that because if you don't then turn a— with with that because if you don't then turn a subject into a poiiiieoiiy— don't then turn a subject into a politically debateable and discussable_ politically debateable and discussable subject, then what youre— discussable subject, then what you-e ooing— discussable subject, then what you-e ooing is— discussable subject, then what you're doing is you're creating a you're doing is you're creating o spoee— you're doing is you're creating o spoee ior— you're doing is you're creating a space for the— you're doing is you're creating a space for the absolutely eirerne— a space for the absolutely extreme far— a space for the absolutely extreme far left , uber, far extreme far left, uber, far ken,— extreme far left, uber, far pep, upen— extreme far left, uber, far left, uber, far— extreme far left, uber, far left, uber, far right characters to p0p— left, uber, far right characters to pop up— left, uber, far right characters io pop up one— left, uber, far right characters to pop up and say, look, we're ine— to pop up and say, look, we're one peopie— to pop up and say, look, we're one peopie wno— to pop up and say, look, we're the people who represent you. kno— the people who represent you. one inoi-s— the people who represent you. and that's that's— the people who represent you. and that's that's a deadly scenario. we— and that's that's a deadly scenario. we saw it much more in eoniinenioi— scenario. we saw it much more in continental europe— scenario. we saw it much more in continental europe over the yeors— continental europe over the yeorswnere— continental europe over the years where the _ continental europe over the years where the front national oni— years where the front national on ones— years where the front national and others that— years where the front national and others that we have in the uk and others that we have in the uk ieuse— and others that we have in the uk because it— and others that we have in the uk because it never quite got to woo— uk because it never quite got to no sioge. — uk because it never quite got to no sioge. nui— uk because it never quite got to that stage. but but— uk because it never quite got to that stage. but but with the nus,— that stage. but but with the nus, ine— that stage. but but with the nhs, the fact— that stage. but but with the nhs, the fact that we are it's

oinosi— nhs, the fact that we are it's oinosi o— nhs, the fact that we are it's almost a taboo— nhs, the fact that we are it's almost a taboo subject in poiiiies— almost a taboo subject in politics. it's,— almost a taboo subject in politics. it's, it's, it's a oongerous— politics. it's, it's, it's a dangerous, it's a dangerous siiuoiion— dangerous, it's a dangerous situation to— dangerous, it's a dangerous situation to be— dangerous, it's a dangerous situation to be in, in a oenoeroey. — situation to be in, in a democracy. of course , our democracy. of course, our eieeioroi— democracy. of course, our electoral system has made it very— electoral system has made it very difficult— electoral system has made it very difficult for— electoral system has made it very difficult for other parties oiner— very difficult for other parties oiner inon— very difficult for other parties other than to— very difficult for other parties other than to in— very difficult for other parties other than to in england to get onywnere. — other than to in england to get onywnere. so— other than to in england to get anywhere. so it's— other than to in england to get anywhere. i“ anywhere. so it's been very, very, very, very difficult. and that's why other parties across europe get a foothold, although i suspect marine is going i suspect marine le pen is going to the next president of to be the next president of france anyway. i have no insight on-i— france anyway. i have no insight on-i nove— france anyway. i have no insight on-i nove i-ve— france anyway. i have no insight on-i have i've got- france anyway. i have no insight on-i have i've got good- on that. i have i've got good eonioeis— on that. i have i've got good contacts with— on that. i have i've got good contacts with the _ on that. i have i've got good contacts with the upr , which is contacts with the upr, which is a contacts with the upr, which is o smoki— contacts with the upr, which is a small gaullist_ contacts with the upr, which is a small gaullist and very sound poiiey— a small gaullist and very sound poiiey .— a small gaullist and very sound policy . obviously— a small gaullist and very sound policy . obviously different policy. obviously different vies— policy. obviously different views on things like the role of the views on things like the role of we us— views on things like the role of we us one— views on things like the role of the us and our— views on things like the role of the us and our relationship with win— the us and our relationship with with washington— the us and our relationship with with washington on because they are with washington on because they eouiiisis— with washington on because they are gaullists but— with washington on because they are gaullists but i— with washington on because they are gaullists but i mean good iuek— are gaullists but i mean good iuek io— are gaullists but i mean good iuek io onen— are gaullists but i mean good luck to them. _ are gaullists but i mean good luck to them. krirri nnri;”ri; luck to them. now you were a eurosceptic, long term eurosceptic, long term eurosceptic dick. there was always a eurosceptic wing of the tory party sort of maastricht onwards. it was relatively small in parliament, in parliament, relatively small . in the end,

relatively small. in the end, the conservative party, against theirjudgement, offered their judgement, offered a referendum. they didn't want to do it almost by accident. well, how much would they- n:nin g ii: well, how much would they have lost to uni— how much would they have lost to ukii ii— how much would they have lost to ukii ii iney— how much would they have lost to ukip if they hadn't— how much would they have lost to ukip if they hadn't us? and the iessno— ukip if they hadn't us? and the iessno oi— ukip if they hadn't us? and the lesson of course— ukip if they hadn't us? and the lesson of course of— ukip if they hadn't us? and the lesson of course of the european eieeiions— lesson of course of the european elections historically, yeah. i ne— elections historically, yeah. i ie nou— elections historically, yeah. i mean, he had to— elections historically, yeah. i mean, he had to fly- elections historically, yeah. i mean, he had to fly the- elections historically, yeah. i mean, he had to fly the white flag on this, but lee, you know, some of the most ardent brexiteers are feeling a sense of frustration. you know, i've been talking a meeting, some of britain's inshore fishermen you know the little under ten metre boats, you know , down to seven boats, you know, down to seven metres. some of them people going out and they're catching mackerel on, on, you know, hook, hook, for markets and hook, mackerel for markets and restaurants are seeing more bureaucracy, more bureaucracy placed on them in many ways. and this goes for other sectors too, that when we were members of the european union , there was a real european union, there was a real frustration here. well, it's not surprising— frustration here. well, it's not surprising because _ frustration here. well, it's not surprising because is- frustration here. well, it's not surprising because is if- “ “ni”ni; well, it's not surprising because is if you inink— surprising because is if you think about— surprising because is if you think about i— surprising because is if you think about i mean , so one of think about i mean, so one of ine— think about i mean, so one of we iirsi— think about i mean, so one of the first things— think about i mean, so one of the first things i— think about i mean, so one of the first things i did in poiiiies— the first things i did in poiiiies i— the first things i did in politics, i started out working for politics, i started out working ior sir— politics, i started out working for sir richard— politics, i started out working for sir richard body, who was a euro— for sir richard body, who was a iuro reiei— for sir richard body, who was a euro rebel who'd— for sir richard body, who was a euro rebel who'd resigned the

vip— euro rebel who'd resigned the wniplproeiise— euro rebel who'd resigned the whip-practise it's- euro rebel who'd resigned the whip practise it's in in whip in practise it's in in prineipie— whip in practise it's in in principle over— whip in practise it's in in principle over the treatment of his principle over the treatment of nis nosion— principle over the treatment of his boston fishermen. so one of the his boston fishermen. so one of we iirsi— his boston fishermen. so one of the first things— his boston fishermen. so one of the first things i— his boston fishermen. so one of the first things i did was to go out the first things i did was to go oui io— the first things i did was to go oui io eo— the first things i did was to go out to sea with— the first things i did was to go out to sea with with with the nosion— out to sea with with with the boston trawler— out to sea with with with the boston trawler and for see nyseii— boston trawler and for see nyseii oni— boston trawler and for see myself and the— boston trawler and for see myself and the decline of that greoi— myself and the decline of that greoi pon— myself and the decline of that once great port is— myself and the decline of that once great port is was was quite irogie— once great port is was was quite irogie oni— once great port is was was quite tragic and we're— once great port is was was quite tragic and we're not seeing that regeneroiion— tragic and we're not seeing that regeneration renewal. we got to be regeneration renewal. we got to ie nonesi— regeneration renewal. we got to be honest things— regeneration renewal. we got to be honest things have got to sun— be honest things have got to suen o— be honest things have got to suen o sioge— be honest things have got to such a stage after after so many yeors— such a stage after after so many yeors oi— such a stage after after so many yeors oi ine— such a stage after after so many years of the common fisheries poiiey— years of the common fisheries poiiey inoi— years of the common fisheries poiiey inoi ii— years of the common fisheries policy that it was— years of the common fisheries policy that it was never going to policy that it was never going io regeneroie— policy that it was never going to regenerate overnight. what is a disappointment— to regenerate overnight. what is a disappointment in the in a disappointment is in the in ine— a disappointment is in the in the withdrawal— a disappointment is in the in the withdrawal treaty , of the withdrawal treaty, of course, is that- the withdrawal treaty, of course, is that we didn't get connoi— course, is that we didn't get eoniroi oi— course, is that we didn't get control of our— course, is that we didn't get control of our waters back to ine— control of our waters back to we eenoiniy— control of our waters back to the certainly not— control of our waters back to the certainly not nowhere near the certainly not nowhere near ine ekieni— the certainly not nowhere near ine evieni io — the certainly not nowhere near the extent to which we got. inere — the extent to which we got. inere is— the extent to which we got. inere is on— the extent to which we got. there is an incremental thing, pui— there is an incremental thing, iui ii— there is an incremental thing, but it became— there is an incremental thing, but it became it— there is an incremental thing, but it became it ultimately it o eropper. — but it became it ultimately it was a cropper. it— but it became it ultimately it was a cropper. it it fell a copper— was a cropper. it it fell a copper io— was a cropper. it it fell a cropper to the- was a cropper. it it fell a cropper to the late stage renegotiations- cropper to the late stage renegotiations when the deadline was renegotiations when the deadline opprooening— renegotiations when the deadline opprooening .— renegotiations when the deadline was approaching . and clearly it was approaching. and clearly it irougni— was approaching. and clearly it was brought it— was approaching. and clearly it was brought it away probably for ironsii— was brought it away probably for ironsii rignis— was brought it away probably for transit rights and— was brought it away probably for transit rights and haulage rignis— transit rights and haulage rignis ior— transit rights and haulage rights for this. _ transit rights and haulage rights for this. but it doesn't neip— rights for this. but it doesn't neip oni— rights for this. but it doesn't neip ono ior— rights for this. but it doesn't help and for this it's got to be

renegoiioieo— help and for this it's got to be renegotiated again in another inree— renegotiated again in another inree ye — renegotiated again in another three years. it's— renegotiated again in another three years. it's there's an ongoing— three years. it's there's an ongoing hostage situation with the ongoing hostage situation with we irenen— ongoing hostage situation with the french and— ongoing hostage situation with the french and the and the and the french and the and the and the electricity— the french and the and the and the electricity connections. i mean , we never— the electricity connections. i mean , we never have won brexit mean, we never have won brexit wiinoui— mean, we never have won brexit wiinoui peopie— mean, we never have won brexit without people turning out to say without people turning out to soy goi— without people turning out to soy goi io— without people turning out to say we've got to get back connoi— say we've got to get back eoniroi oi— say we've got to get back control of our— say we've got to get back control of our borders. �*vvn�*ni; n: control of our borders. we'd never have got— control of our borders. we'd never have got anywhere near winning it. and again, on that, there's really big disappointment. , what disappointment. i mean, what i want ask you, someone want to ask you, really someone been in and around been involved in in and around the conservative party for many, many this many years, is this a conservative party? yes . yes. conservative party? yes. yes. don't conservative party? yes. yes. non-i iorgei— conservative party? yes. yes. non-i iorgei .— conservative party? yes. yes. don't forget , political- i 7 yes. yes. don't forget , political parties don't forget, political parties are don't forget, political parties oiwoys— don't forget, political parties are always broad churches. some are always broad churches. some muon— are always broad churches. some are much more cathedral like inon— are much more cathedral like inon inon— are much more cathedral like than than others— are much more cathedral like than than others . others are than than others. others are muon— than than others. others are much more like— than than others. others are much more like chapels. yeah. kno— much more like chapels. yeah. kno iiiiing— much more like chapels. yeah. and fitting everybody in. it iokes— and fitting everybody in. it iokes o— and fitting everybody in. it iokes o iii— and fitting everybody in. it takes a bit of— and fitting everybody in. it takes a bit of effort. but at ieosi— takes a bit of effort. but at ieosi you-ve— takes a bit of effort. but at least you've got- takes a bit of effort. but at least you've got a clear, concise, condensed set of prineipies— concise, condensed set of prineipies oni— concise, condensed set of principles and beliefs and opieeiives— principles and beliefs and opieeiives .— principles and beliefs and objectives . so— principles and beliefs and objectives . so within that great objectives. so within that great nou— objectives. so within that great noii oi— objectives. so within that great noii oi ine— objectives. so within that great hall of the cathedral. yes there is conservatism _ hall of the cathedral. yes there is conservatism somewhere . and is conservatism somewhere. and of is conservatism somewhere. and oi inose — is conservatism somewhere. and of course those who are not very

wet— of course those who are not very weii .— of course those who are not very weii . wnoi— of course those who are not very weii . wnoi in— of course those who are not very well . what i'm saying, what i'm well. what i'm saying, what i'm soying— well. what i'm saying, what i'm soying is— well. what i'm saying, what i'm soying is we— well. what i'm saying, what i'm saying is we have— well. what i'm saying, what i'm saying is we have to look and oeiine— saying is we have to look and define conservatives. winnie: define conservatives. well, i'm soying— define conservatives. well, i'm soying is— define conservatives. well, i'm saying is you might have to go to the cloisters rather than to the to the altar. it's of course, it's the- it's of course, it's the conservative party— course, it's the conservative rony sie— course, it's the conservative party since margaret thatcher nos— party since margaret thatcher nos ieen— party since margaret thatcher nos ieen o— party since margaret thatcher has been a disappointment from inose— has been a disappointment from inose neooy— has been a disappointment from those heady days— has been a disappointment from those heady days for thatcherites because that was a nign— thatcherites because that was a nign woier— thatcherites because that was a high water mark— thatcherites because that was a high water mark of the of free norkei— high water mark of the of free market principles— high water mark of the of free market principles and sovereignty- market principles and sovereignty and belief in the sioie— sovereignty and belief in the sioie oni— sovereignty and belief in the sioie one on— sovereignty and belief in the state and on the— sovereignty and belief in the state and on the individual and personoi— state and on the individual and personal responsibility and all inese— personal responsibility and all inese inings. — personal responsibility and all these things. yeah. now i think o ioi— these things. yeah. now i think we're a lot closer— these things. yeah. now i think we're a lot closer to those days inon— we're a lot closer to those days inon we— we're a lot closer to those days inon we nove— we're a lot closer to those days than we have been— we're a lot closer to those days than we have been in many, in nony— than we have been in many, in nony posi— than we have been in many, in many past incarnations of prime iiinisiers— many past incarnations of prime iiinisiers. so— many past incarnations of prime ministers. so i'm— many past incarnations of prime ministers. so i'm not entirely oesponoeni— ministers. so i'm not entirely oesponoeni .— ministers. so i'm not entirely oesponoeni . i— ministers. so i'm not entirely despondent . i would like to go despondent. i would like to go muon— despondent. i would like to go nuen iunner— despondent. i would like to go much further .— despondent. i would like to go much further . yeah. and there is much further. yeah. and there is of course, a manifesto battle to be of course, a manifesto battle to ie yeo— of course, a manifesto battle to ie yei io— of course, a manifesto battle to be yei io ie— of course, a manifesto battle to be yet to be fought. �*vvn�*ni; :: be yet to be fought. we'll see. we-ii— be yet to be fought. we'll see. we-ii — be yet to be fought. we'll see. we-ii i— be yet to be fought. we'll see. we'll see. i think the globalists are in charge personally, but we'll see. now, you've done a bit of sponsorship and advertising for the reserves. we used to call territorial army been an important thing to you . they met important thing to you. they met

so inorougniy. — important thing to you. they met so thoroughly. recommend- “g they met so thoroughly. recommend it . so thoroughly. recommend it. ieopie— so thoroughly. recommend it. reopie ioin— so thoroughly. recommend it. reopie on i.— so thoroughly. recommend it. people join it. it's hugely reworoing— people join it. it's hugely rewarding in— people join it. it's hugely rewarding in terms of personal oeveiopneni— rewarding in terms of personal oeveiopneni .— rewarding in terms of personal development . the level of development. the level of camaraderie— development. the level of camaraderie is— development. the level of camaraderie is incredible and it's camaraderie is incredible and its nossiveiy— camaraderie is incredible and it's massively character iuiioing— it's massively character iuiioing .— it's massively character building . and you're serving building. and you're serving your— building. and you're serving your eouniry. — building. and you're serving your country. yeah, even if you ion-i— your country. yeah, even if you oon-i oepioy— your country. yeah, even if you don't deploy overseas. i mean, i-ve— don't deploy overseas. i mean, ive done— don't deploy overseas. i mean, i've done operational tours, but ii— i've done operational tours, but ii you— i've done operational tours, but even if you don't— i've done operational tours, but even if you don't deploy overseas, you're you're supponing— overseas, you're you're supporting the nations defence. and supporting the nations defence. one o— supporting the nations defence. one o goon— supporting the nations defence. kno o goou ou— supporting the nations defence. kno o good on .— supporting the nations defence. and a good ad , a— supporting the nations defence. and a good ad , a good- supporting the nations defence. and a good ad, a good ad join today for a very good cause. and finally , the museum of brexit. finally, the museum of brexit. yes. i don't know anything about it. what the hell is it right. well okay, so a few, a few of us a well okay, so a few, a few of us o eoupie— well okay, so a few, a few of us o eoupie oi— well okay, so a few, a few of us a couple of years— well okay, so a few, a few of us a couple of years ago were were spoiieo— a couple of years ago were were spoiieo inoi— a couple of years ago were were spotted that we _ a couple of years ago were were spotted that we were starting to bin spotted that we were starting to pin voious— spotted that we were starting to bin various things— spotted that we were starting to bin various things which we had for bin various things which we had ior oonkey— bin various things which we had for donkey donkeys years because the for donkey donkeys years because we iype— for donkey donkeys years because one iype oi— for donkey donkeys years because one iype oi ine— for donkey donkeys years because the type of the sceptic campaigning was no longer going on. campaigning was no longer going inere— campaigning was no longer going inere os— campaigning was no longer going on. there was it— campaigning was no longer going on. there was it was kind of iike— on. there was it was kind of like remaining— on. there was it was kind of like remaining threads. so roiner— like remaining threads. so rather than— like remaining threads. so rather than being stuff, we decided— rather than being stuff, we decided .— rather than being stuff, we decided , well,— rather than being stuff, we decided , well, it'd be much decided, well, it'd be much ieiier— decided, well, it'd be much ieiier io— decided, well, it'd be much better to preserve it. and the peso— better to preserve it. and the iesi voy— better to preserve it. and the iesi woy io— better to preserve it. and the best way to preserve it is inougn— best way to preserve it is inrougn o— best way to preserve it is through a set— best way to preserve it is through a set of archives museum and through a set of archives museum

ono oeiuoi— through a set of archives museum and actual display.— through a set of archives museum and actual display. a physical oni— and actual display. a physical ono iiirory. — and actual display. a physical ono iiirory. k— and actual display. a physical and library. a physical place wnere— and library. a physical place wnere peopie— and library. a physical place where people can learn about wnoi— where people can learn about wnoi noppeneo. — where people can learn about what happened. not just about so not what happened. not just about so noi iusi— what happened. not just about so noi iusi oioui— what happened. not just about so not just about recent years. sag,— not just about recent years. sag, pui— not just about recent years. 2016, but going— not just about recent years. 2016, but going back into the deep— 2016, but going back into the deep siuii— 2016, but going back into the deep stuff, the— 2016, but going back into the deep stuff, the complicated siuii— deep stuff, the complicated stuff about— deep stuff, the complicated stuff about what is sovereignty, wnoi— stuff about what is sovereignty, wnoi is— stuff about what is sovereignty, wnoi is iree— stuff about what is sovereignty, what is free trade,— stuff about what is sovereignty, what is free trade, where does inoi— what is free trade, where does no one— what is free trade, where does that come from?— what is free trade, where does that come from? what makes the eouniry— that come from? what makes the eouniry-iron — country different from its continental— country different from its continental counterparts and is were— continental counterparts and is inere o— continental counterparts and is inere o sense— continental counterparts and is there a sense of— continental counterparts and is there a sense of european museum if there a sense of european museum ii—preienos- there a sense of european museum ii—preienoslwosl if your museum pretends it was the conservative— if your museum pretends it was the conservative party? \nifi \nifi the conservative party? no. no. no. the conservative party? no. no. we. brewin— the conservative party? no. no. we. nrexii. n..— the conservative party? no. no. no. brexit. no, no. no. no. no. big mistake. i can promise you inere-s— big mistake. i can promise you inere-s in— big mistake. i can promise you there's in terms— big mistake. i can promise you there's in terms-the- there's in terms of the pionning— there's in terms of the planning, there's whole planning, there's a whole seeiion— planning, there's a whole section-ukip,- planning, there's a whole section ukip, and planning, there's a whole- section-ukip, and i'm section there on ukip, and i'm oniieipoiing— section there on ukip, and i'm anticipating going to nobble anticipating i'm going to nobble you ior— anticipating i'm going to nobble you ior-ior— anticipating i'm going to nobble you for-for the— anticipating i'm going to nobble you for-for the for- anticipating i'm going to nobble you for for the for the you for bits for the for the wigei— you for bits for the for the wigei ioroge— you for bits for the for the nigel farage case on that. but inis— nigel farage case on that. but inis is— nigel farage case on that. but this islcritical_ nigel farage case on that. but this is critical point. it this is a critical point. it wii— this is a critical point. it wiiilioir— this is a critical point. it will fair balanced will be fair and balanced ieuse— will be fair and balanced. ieeouse—ii will be fair and balanced- because_it going because although how is it going to because although how is it going iolinoi— because although how is it going iolinoi weve— because although how is it going to.that we've been— because although how is it going to that we've been in to be that we've been looking in ponieuior— to be that we've been looking in particular peterborough particular at peterborough and oiso—oi- particular at peterborough and oiso—oi ine- also boston as part of the epieenire— also boston as part of the epicentre of— also boston as part of the epicentre of where brexit noppeneoe— epicentre of where brexit happened? we're still open ninoeo. — happened? we're still open ninoeo. ii— happened? we're still open minded. it depends on sites wnien— minded. it depends on sites wnien oe— minded. it depends on sites which are available at the time wnen— which are available at the time wnen we— which are available at the time wnen we-ine— which are available at the time when we the funding. the when we get the funding. but the key-wii— when we get the funding. but the key-viii ie— when we get the funding. but the key-will be fair- when we get the funding. but the key-will be fair and. key point is it will be fair and ioioneeo— key point is it will be fair and balanced and— key point is it will be fair and balanced and we're doing appeal rigni— balanced and we're doing appeal rigni-ior— balanced and we're doing appeal rigni-ior peopie— balanced and we're doing appeal right-for people to- balanced and we're doing appeal right for people to rootle right now for people to rootle oroun— right now for people to rootle orouno-in- right now for people to rootle around-in stuff- right now for people to rootle- around-in stuff because

around and send in stuff because we-ve-orop— around and send in stuff because we-ve-orop oii— around and send in stuff because we've drop off points we've got 50 drop off points oroun— we've got 50 drop off points around-country,- we've got 50 drop off points. around-country,-drop around the country, county drop off around the country, county drop oii—ore— around the country, county drop oii—ore noi- around the country, county drop off—are not goingi off points, which are not going to off points, which are not going io-ior— off points, which are not going io-ior inoi— off points, which are not going to-for that much- off points, which are not going to for that much longer. to be open for that much longer. but to be open for that much longer. pui-opponuniiy- to be open for that much longer. but-opportunity for- but it's an opportunity for peopie— but it's an opportunity for peopie io— but it's an opportunity for people to easily hand things lpeopie— people to easily hand things over. .people think- people to easily hand things over. “

joshua or usyk ? no one's going joshua or usyk? no one's going to beat fury. no one is going to beat fury. that i know. usyk is an amazing little boxer. i think joshua is well past his best. i can't see any body doing it against fury. laura asks, do you think this government will ever take us out of the echr? what? what this tory government? you must be joking. not unless they're put under the most enormous external journalist tick and then ultimately into internal pressure. now we want to try something different with farage. the farage. i read these out . i farage. the farage. i read these out. i never farage. the farage. i read these out . i never know what they're out. i never know what they're going to be. you know that already. but let's do some videos . so you make a video , you videos. so you make a video, you send it to me, you send it to farage gb news .uk. you give me your question, make sure i've got your name. make sure i've got your name. make sure i've got your name. make sure i've got your location and make sure the question is no longer than 30 seconds. you want to ask me a

question on video? you can do it. farage at gbnews.uk . k it. farage at gbnews.uk. k they'll be filtered out by people that work for gb news. i will never see your question until we see your mug shot and we play it live on telly and tomorrow is the first day for it. send your video questions. farage. gb news. .uk. patrick patrick christys is standing in for jacob. good evening. fantastic forjacob. good evening. fantastic idea. that is by the way,— fantastic idea. that is by the wow ine— fantastic idea. that is by the way, the videos. _ fantastic idea. that is by the way, the videos. “

sunok. — there's labour attack ads on sunok. -i— there's labour attack ads on sunak. -i know. - there's labour attack ads on sunak. i know. “n: there's labour attack ads on- sunak.-i know. and they're sunak. yeah, i know. and they're rower— sunak. yeah, i know. and they're rather effective, aren't they? that's are. no, that's all they are. yeah. no, no, i did a few no, i think so. i did a few myself in the days. myself in the old days. i remember. okay, we're done. let's get the all important whether the april showers. hello there dewhurst. and there and greg dewhurst. and welcome latest there and greg dewhurst. and. welcome-latest broadcast welcome to your latest broadcast iron— welcome to your latest broadcast iron-wei— welcome to your latest broadcast from-met office. _ welcome to your latest broadcast from met office. we have from the met office. we have wini— from the met office. we have wind warnings— from the met office. we have wind warnings force for wind warnings in force for weserni— wind warnings in force for wesiern-oi- wind warnings in force for western-of the- wind warnings in force for western of the uk through western parts of the uk through iuesooy— western parts of the uk through tuesday wednesday an tuesday and on wednesday as an area pressure brings some area of low pressure brings some wet area of low pressure brings some wei—io- area of low pressure brings some wei—io ourl wet and windy weather to our soresn— wet and windy weather to our soresn kno— wet and windy weather to our shores. and-could- wet and windy weather to our shores. and could that shores. and we could see that new— shores. and we could see that nieeiy on— shores. and we could see that nicely on-bigger- shores. and we could see that nicely on bigger picture. nicely on the bigger picture. inis— nicely on the bigger picture. inis-iow— nicely on the bigger picture. this low pressure this area of low pressure winging— this area of low pressure bringing those- this area of low pressure bringing those strong winds, ouiireoks— bringing those strong winds, outbreaks-rain,- bringing those strong winds, outbreaks rain, it outbreaks of heavy rain, it eouio— outbreaks of heavy rain, it eouio-io— outbreaks of heavy rain, it could-to some- outbreaks of heavy rain, it could to some local could lead to some local oisrupiion— could lead to some local oisrupiion .— could lead to some local disruption . could could lead to some local disruption .-could gusts disruption. we could see gusts of disruption. we could see gusts oilio— disruption. we could see gusts oilio eo— disruption. we could see gusts of.to 60, possibly- disruption. we could see gusts of to 60, possibly 70 miles of 50 to 60, possibly 70 miles an of 50 to 60, possibly 70 miles on nour— of 50 to 60, possibly 70 miles an hour around— of 50 to 60, possibly 70 miles an hour around some western eoosi— an hour around some western eoosi-ine— an hour around some western coast-the coming- an hour around some western coast the coming days. coast over the coming days. a ioiriy— coast over the coming days. a ioiriy guiei— coast over the coming days. a fairly quiet evening after a iiveiy— fairly quiet evening after a lively afternoon, we saw some runiies— lively afternoon, we saw some runiies oi— lively afternoon, we saw some rumbles of thunder here during the rumbles of thunder here during ine eoriy— rumbles of thunder here during the early hours.— rumbles of thunder here during the early hours. will the early hours. we will eoniinue— the early hours. we will continue to _ the early hours. we will continue to some showery continue to see some showery ouiireoks— continue to see some showery outbreaks-rain— continue to see some showery outbreaks-rain in- continue to see some showery outbreaks rain in places, but outbreaks of rain in places, but the outbreaks of rain in places, but one pieniy— outbreaks of rain in places, but the plenty-spells- outbreaks of rain in places, but the plenty spells to the plenty of clear spells to iurning— the plenty of clear spells to turning-chilly. - turning quite chilly. temperatures down to low single iigures— temperatures down to low single iigures in— temperatures down to low single iigures in ine— temperatures down to low single figures in the towns and cities, pernops—gross- figures in the towns and cities, perhaps grass, frost perhaps a touch of grass, frost to perhaps a touch of grass, frost io-inio— perhaps a touch of grass, frost to-into tuesday- perhaps a touch of grass, frost to into tuesday morning. to take us into tuesday morning. but to take us into tuesday morning. on pieniy— to take us into tuesday morning. on pieniy oi— to take us into tuesday morning. but plenty of-skies- to take us into tuesday morning. but plenty of skies to but plenty of blue skies to eonpensoie— but plenty of blue skies to sonpensoie .— but plenty of blue skies to compensate , but some showers compensate, but some showers iron—ins- compensate, but some showers from—this band- compensate, but some showers from _this band ofi from the word go this band of

more-rain across- from the word go this band of more rain across parts more showery rain across parts of more showery rain across parts oi seoiiono, — more showery rain across parts of scotland, too,— more showery rain across parts of scotland, too, but it is the inieker— of scotland, too, but it is the thicker cloud— of scotland, too, but it is the thicker cloud outbreaks of rain inoi— thicker cloud outbreaks of rain that-focusing— thicker cloud outbreaks of rain that-focusing on- thicker cloud outbreaks of rain that focusing on as we that we're focusing on as we inougn— that we're focusing on as we move through into tuesday oiiernoon. — move through into tuesday afternoon. some very strong winds— afternoon. some very strong winds developing , met office winds developing, met office worning— winds developing, met office worning-oi— winds developing, met office warning-of 50,- winds developing, met office warning of 50, 60, warning gusts of 50, 60, possipiy— warning gusts of 50, 60, possibly even- warning gusts of 50, 60, possibly even higher through the eoosi— possibly even higher through the eoosi oi— possibly even higher through the coast of irish— possibly even higher through the coast of irish sea— possibly even higher through the coast of irish sea and some neovy— coast of irish sea and some neovy roin— coast of irish sea and some heavy rain accompanying this to ienperoiures— heavy rain accompanying this to temperatures on— heavy rain accompanying this to temperatures on the chilly side, the temperatures on the chilly side, we ieso— temperatures on the chilly side, we iesi oi— temperatures on the chilly side, the best of the— temperatures on the chilly side, the best of the sunshine holding on ine— the best of the sunshine holding on across the north— the best of the sunshine holding on across the north and east ieiore— on across the north and east ieiore inen — on across the north and east before then, the— on across the north and east before then, the rain sweeps its way— before then, the rain sweeps its woy nonn— before then, the rain sweeps its way north woods— before then, the rain sweeps its way north woods during the evening— way north woods during the evening oni— way north woods during the evening and early hours, perhaps some snow over the scottish rnounoinsi— some snow over the scottish rnounoinsi io— some snow over the scottish mountains to blustery showers ioiiowing— mountains to blustery showers ioiiowing on— mountains to blustery showers following on behind into the eoriy— following on behind into the eoriy nours— following on behind into the early hours and _ following on behind into the early hours and wednesday morning— early hours and wednesday morning .— early hours and wednesday morning . some— early hours and wednesday morning . some of these could be morning. some of these could be neovy.— morning. some of these could be neovy. ine— morning. some of these could be heavy. the winds— morning. some of these could be heavy. the winds ease for a snon— heavy. the winds ease for a snon ine— heavy. the winds ease for a short time. this— heavy. the winds ease for a short time. this allows temperatures- short time. this allows temperatures to away to temperatures to dip away to soon— temperatures to dip away to start wednesday morning, it start wednesday morning, but it won-i— start wednesday morning, but it won-i-ieiore— start wednesday morning, but it won't-before those- start wednesday morning, but it won't before those winds won't be long before those winds wnip— won't be long before those winds wnip up— won't be long before those winds wnip up ogoin— won't be long before those winds whip up again. bands of rain reiurning— whip up again. bands of rain returning from _ whip up again. bands of rain returning from the north and the west— returning from the north and the west winging— returning from the north and the west, bringing strong winds ogoin— west, bringing strong winds ogoin-oi— west, bringing strong winds ogoin-oi eo- west, bringing strong winds again. of 60 miles an hour again. gusts of 60 miles an hour pius— again. gusts of 60 miles an hour pius oss— again. gusts of 60 miles an hour pius ine— again. gusts of 60 miles an hour plus across the south—west of ine— plus across the south—west of we uk— plus across the south—west of the uk, accompanied by some neovy— the uk, accompanied by some heavy showers— the uk, accompanied by some heavy showers and rain in ieiween— heavy showers and rain in between. there- heavy showers and rain in between. there will be some oner— between. there will be some drier interludes— between. there will be some drier interludes ,_ between. there will be some drier interludes , some sunnier drier interludes, some sunnier spois— drier interludes, some sunnier spois-ine— drier interludes, some sunnier spots-the north-

drier interludes, some sunnier spots the north and the spots across the north and the eosi— spots across the north and the eosi oni— spots across the north and the east and temperatures on the cook— east and temperatures on the cook sioe— east and temperatures on the cook sioe ior— east and temperatures on the cool side for the— east and temperatures on the cool side for the time of year. inen— cool side for the time of year. then sunshine— cool side for the time of year. then sunshine and showers for inursooy— then sunshine and showers for inursooy oni— then sunshine and showers for thursday and friday. temperatures little below temperatures a little below overoeg— temperatures a little below overoeg . ike—

well . well. hello wet.- hello hello. wet.— hello hello. good well. hello hello. good evening. it's me, patrick christys . me, patrick christys. unfortunately, i'm still not jacob rees—mogg who is making the most of his easter, but we have an action packed show for you on state of the nation. tonight is britain a racist country ? a new report suggests country? a new report suggests we aren't even close to being an equal society . but we aren't even close to being an equal society. but i'll be telling you why i think britain is one of the most tolerant and fair societies to have ever existed. hardly controversial , existed. hardly controversial, if you ask me. but we will be debating it shortly. combination details have dropped, but it's not without controversy. reparations is the question that