has been failed by the government. he started legal proceedings against one of the vaccine companies . to have the vaccine companies. to have our government really dodi, i would say, treated those people that have been harmed by the vaccines appallingly. or is it

nothing to do with the government? all they did was their best. your thoughts on that and the dolls to some, just an innocent part of their childhood . to others, an awful childhood. to others, an awful racist object . should the police racist object. should the police be getting involved in removing them from places or not? and listen to this police emergency. what's your location ? hi, i'm what's your location? hi, i'm from— what's your location? hi, i'm from .— what's your location? hi, i'm from . my— what's your location? hi, i'm from . my son-s— what's your location? hi, i'm from . my son's killed someone . from. my son's killed someone. goodness gracious me . are you a goodness gracious me. are you a parent?— goodness gracious me. are you a parent? would— goodness gracious me. are you a parent? would you _ goodness gracious me. are you a parent? would you have it in you to shop— parent? would you have it in you to shop your— parent? would you have it in you to shop your kid— parent? would you have it in you to shop your kid to— parent? would you have it in you to shop your kid to the police? if to shop your kid to the police? .. moo— to shop your kid to the police? h they ho— to shop your kid to the police? if they did something wrong? in that— if they did something wrong? in that coo— if they did something wrong? in that you— if they did something wrong? in that case, you just— if they did something wrong? in that case, you just had killed somehooy. — that case, you just had killed somebody. goodness me. your thoughts— somebody. goodness me. your thoughts oh— somebody. goodness me. your thoughts on all— somebody. goodness me. your thoughts on all of— somebody. goodness me. your thoughts on all of that. but before— thoughts on all of that. but hototo wo— thoughts on all of that. but before we get— thoughts on all of that. but before we get into it, let's hhhg— before we get into it, let's bring ourselves- before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed on tohtoht-s— bring ourselves up to speed on tonight's latest— bring ourselves up to speed on tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. htchotto— tonight's latest headlines. michelle, thank— tonight's latest headlines. michelle, thank you - tonight's latest headlines. michelle, thank you and good evening to you. our top story tonight on gb news, the leader of the dup, sir jeffrey

donaldson, has said the us president joe biden's visit to northern ireland doesn't change the political dynamic in the region . the unionist party has region. the unionist party has boycotted power sharing for more than a year over post—brexit trade . after meeting the prime trade. after meeting the prime minister in belfast, trade. after meeting the prime minister in belfast , the minister in belfast, the president gave a speech at ulster university highlighting the significance of the good friday agreement and praising the windsor framework saying it addressed the political realities of brexit. mr. biden has now arrived in dublin to begin a three day visit to the repubuc begin a three day visit to the republic of ireland. sometimes especially when the distance of history we forget how hard earned and how astounding that peace was at the moment . it peace was at the moment. it shifted the political gravity in our shifted the political gravity in wottt. — shifted the political gravity in our world. there— shifted the political gravity in our world. there were no guarantees— our world. there were no guarantees that the deal on paper— guarantees that the deal on paper woutt— guarantees that the deal on paper would hold , no guarantees paper would hold, no guarantees that— paper would hold, no guarantees that ht— paper would hold, no guarantees that tt woutt— paper would hold, no guarantees that it would be— paper would hold, no guarantees that it would be able to deliver the progress— that it would be able to deliver the progress we— that it would be able to deliver the progress we celebrate today . it the progress we celebrate today . tt toot— the progress we celebrate today . tt toot tong,— the progress we celebrate today . it took long, hard years of work— . it took long, hard years of wort to— . it took long, hard years of wort to get— . it took long, hard years of work to get to— . it took long, hard years of work to get to this place. it

took— work to get to this place. it took o— work to get to this place. it toot o poopto— work to get to this place. it took a people willing to come together— took a people willing to come together th— took a people willing to come together in good— took a people willing to come together in good faith and to rtsh— together in good faith and to rtsh hottty— together in good faith and to risk boldly for— together in good faith and to risk boldly for the future . risk boldly for the future. trestteht— risk boldly for the future. president joe _ risk boldly for the future. president joe biden - risk boldly for the future. president joe biden .- risk boldly for the future. president joe biden . now the president joe biden. now the scottish government is planning to launch a legal challenge against westminster's decision to veto new gender recognition reforms. scotland's social justice secretary says the bill was passed by an overwhelming majority in holyrood, with the support of all parties . support of all parties. shirley—anne somerville warning the british government's use of section 35 risked setting a dangerous constitutional precedent over what she said were devolved matters. well, rishi sunak has defended the move, saying he has concerns overits move, saying he has concerns over its impact on women's safety. it was a decision that we hote— safety. it was a decision that we made after— it was a decision that we made after taking very eoretut— we made after taking very careful and— we made after taking very careful and considered advice sht— careful and considered advice the we— careful and considered advice the we hot— careful and considered advice and we had concerns as the uk government— and we had concerns as the uk government secretary of state set thts— government secretary of state set thts out— government secretary of state set this out at— government secretary of state set this out at the time, concerns about how scotland's eehter— concerns about how scotland's gender recognition act would thteroet— gender recognition act would interact with _ gender recognition act would interact with reserved powers shout— interact with reserved powers short the— interact with reserved powers about the operation of the

tgpottttes— about the operation of the equalities act,— about the operation of the equalities act, the protection of equalities act, the protection ot—th- equalities act, the protection ot—th the| equalities act, the protection i ot—th the uk equalities act, the protection - ot—th the uk as of women elsewhere in the uk as wet.— of women elsewhere in the uk as wet. aho— of women elsewhere in the uk as well. and that's— of women elsewhere in the uk as well. and that's why we took the teetstoh — well. and that's why we took the teetstoh to — well. and that's why we took the decision to block— well. and that's why we took the decision to block the gra. and ohvtousty— decision to block the gra. and obviously there's— decision to block the gra. and obviously there's a if there's a court— obviously there's a if there's a court proess— obviously there's a if there's a court process, we— obviously there's a if there's a court process, we will follow that— court process, we will follow that through.— court process, we will follow that through. now the bma has torrhotty— that through. now the bma has formally asked— that through. now the bma has formally asked the government to— formally asked the government to enter— formally asked the government now to enter talks facilitated by the — now to enter talks facilitated by the conciliation service acas to hetp— by the conciliation service acas to hetp eht— by the conciliation service acas to help end the— by the conciliation service acas to help end the junior doctors pav— to help end the junior doctors poy ttsppte. — to help end the junior doctors poy ttsppte. rt— to help end the junior doctors pay dispute. . f pay dispute. it comes after thousands of junior doctors in england walked out for the second of four days of industrial action downing street have refused to negotiate unless the british medical association abandons demands for a 35% pay rise. the former health secretary, matt hancock , is secretary, matt hancock, is being investigated by parliament's standards watchdog. that's after he wrote to the parliamentary commissioner for standards standards, daniel greenberg, offering more evidence for an inquiry he was conducting into a possible breach of the code of conduct act. the watchdog will now consider whether mr. hancock broke the rules by attempting to influence his decision . a influence his decision. a spokesman for mr. hancock has

called the investigation a misunderstood finding . now the misunderstood finding. now the government says it will be supporting the fa's bid for both the uk and the republic of ireland to share hosting uefa's euro 2028 tournament. hampden stadium in scotland will be upgraded as part of the plans. the only scottish stadium to be included. the bid team says staging the tournament could bnng staging the tournament could bring £2.6 billion worth of benefits across five nations. culture. secretary lucy frazer wants everybody to be included. i'm very confident that the stotturhs— i'm very confident that the stadiums will— i'm very confident that the stadiums will be finished in the— stadiums will be finished in the the— stadiums will be finished in time and what— stadiums will be finished in time and what we're trying to do is time and what we're trying to do ts that— time and what we're trying to do is ensure that as— time and what we're trying to do is ensure that as many people as possthte— is ensure that as many people as possthte get— is ensure that as many people as possthte get the— is ensure that as many people as possible get the opportunity to see possible get the opportunity to these — possible get the opportunity to see these games.— possible get the opportunity to see these games. and so those stotturhs— see these games. and so those stotturhs re— see these games. and so those stadiums are stretching across the country,— stadiums are stretching across the country, whether also in soottoht— the country, whether also in scotland and _ the country, whether also in scotland and in— the country, whether also in scotland and in ireland, in northern— scotland and in ireland, in northern ireland, in wales and in northern ireland, in wales and th thgtoht— northern ireland, in wales and in england and— northern ireland, in wales and in england and within england, the— in england and within england, across the country . now it's across the country. now it's been— across the country. now it's been confirmed— across the country. now it's been confirmed this afternoon that— been confirmed this afternoon that the— been confirmed this afternoon that the duchess— been confirmed this afternoon that the duchess of sussex will

not he — that the duchess of sussex will not be attending— that the duchess of sussex will not be attending the coronation of not be attending the coronation ot hthg— not be attending the coronation of king charles— not be attending the coronation of king charles in— not be attending the coronation of king charles in may, but the note— of king charles in may, but the note ot— of king charles in may, but the duke of sussex— of king charles in may, but the duke of sussex will in a statement— duke of sussex will in a statement today, the palace said heghoh— statement today, the palace said heghoh horhte— statement today, the palace said meghan markle will remain in cotttorhto— meghan markle will remain in california with— meghan markle will remain in california with prince archie tht— california with prince archie and princess— california with prince archie and princess lilibet. the announcement- and princess lilibet. the announcement follows weeks of speculation following the publication of prince harry's autobiography , where weather autobiography, where weather news and heavy rain and 70 mile an hour gusts are forecast out for today as storm noah ploughs in across the uk. the met office saying a heavy chance of rain and thunder across south—east england this evening . england this evening. forecasters also saying short term power cuts likely as well as possible travel disruption battened down the hatches. that's it for me . battened down the hatches. that's it for me. i'm back in an houn that's it for me. i'm back in an hour. now back to tubes . hour. now back to tubes. thanks for that, polly. i'm

michelle dewberry- michelle dewberry and i'm teepthg— michelle dewberry and i'm teepthg you— michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through— keeping you company right through till— keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. atohgstte— through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me— through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me , i've got toby alongside me, i've got toby young,— alongside me, i've got toby young, the— alongside me, i've got toby young, the director of the free speech— young, the director of the free speech uhtoh— young, the director of the free speech uhtoh .— young, the director of the free speech union . i've got an speech union. i've got an thterestthg— speech union. i've got an interesting topic for you today shout— interesting topic for you today shout these— interesting topic for you today about these dolls that have been rerhoet— about these dolls that have been erhoet hy— about these dolls that have been erhoet by the— about these dolls that have been removed by the police, by the way,— removed by the police, by the way, trorh — removed by the police, by the woy, trorh o— removed by the police, by the woy, trorh o put.— removed by the police, by the way, from a pub. is that really the— way, from a pub. is that really the test— way, from a pub. is that really the test-ot— way, from a pub. is that really the best-of their- way, from a pub. is that really the best of their time? the best use of their time? i suspect— the best use of their time? i suspect-you— the best use of their time? i suspect-you will- the best use of their time? i suspect you will have some suspect that you will have some thterestthg— suspect that you will have some interesting—that. . interesting thoughts on that. my viewers-touch— interesting thoughts on that. my viewers touch already . viewers are in touch already. that— viewers are in touch already. that one— viewers are in touch already. that hos— viewers are in touch already. that one has certainly got you guys— that one has certainly got you guys-otohgstte- that one has certainly got you guys alongside him. he's that one has certainly got you glman alongside him. he's that one has certainly got you glman that alongside him. he's that one has certainly got you glman that willrngside him. he's that one has certainly got you glman that will definitely n. he's that one has certainly got you glman that will definitely get e's a man that will definitely get you— a man that will definitely get you-toththg.— a man that will definitely get you talking. john mcternan you guys talking. john mcternan ,_g..pggpg- you guys talking. john mcternan ,_strategist and- , the political strategist and torrher— , the political strategist and former adviser— , the political strategist and former adviser to tony blair, the— former adviser to tony blair, the moh— former adviser to tony blair, the man that— former adviser to tony blair, the man that gets a lot of short— the man that gets a lot of erettt, hy— the man that gets a lot of credit, by the _ the man that gets a lot of credit, by the way, for the northern — credit, by the way, for the northern ireland peace situation.— northern ireland peace situation. we'll be talking shout— situation. we'll be talking short that— situation. we'll be talking about that in— situation. we'll be talking about that in just a second. so ghe— about that in just a second. so gtve rhe— about that in just a second. so gtye me your— about that in just a second. so give me your thoughts. what's on your— give me your thoughts. what's on your rhtht— give me your thoughts. what's on your mind tonight?— give me your thoughts. what's on your mind tonight? get in touch ruth— your mind tonight? get in touch utth rhe— your mind tonight? get in touch utth rhe ott— your mind tonight? get in touch with me all the— your mind tonight? get in touch with me all the usual ways. gb vteus— with me all the usual ways. gb views.gbnews.uk- with me all the usual ways. gb views gbnews.uk or you can views at gbnews.uk or you can tweet— views at gbnews.uk or you can tweet-per— views at gbnews.uk or you can tweet-per-ot- views at gbnews.uk or you can tweet-per-at gb. views at gbnews.uk or you can. tweet-per-at gb news tweet me as per usual at gb news or ot— tweet me as per usual at gb news or at htehette— tweet me as per usual at gb news or at michelle dewberry. now, you— or at michelle dewberry. now, you rhtght— or at michelle dewberry. now, you rhtght hove— or at michelle dewberry. now, you might have noticed that us trestteht— you might have noticed that us trestteht joe— you might have noticed that us president joe biden has been a busy— president joe biden has been a husy ttttte— president joe biden has been a busy little bee,— president joe biden has been a busy little bee, hasn't he? over in busy little bee, hasn't he? over th retent— busy little bee, hasn't he? over th tretoht ,— busy little bee, hasn't he? over in ireland , giving— busy little bee, hasn't he? over in ireland , giving a speech in in ireland, giving a speech in hettost— in ireland, giving a speech in belfast over— in ireland, giving a speech in belfast over in— in ireland, giving a speech in belfast over in dublin as well, he-s— belfast over in dublin as well, he-s rhet—

belfast over in dublin as well, he-s rhet ruth— belfast over in dublin as well, he's met with rishi sunak opporehtty— he's met with rishi sunak opporehtty ht— he's met with rishi sunak apparently it was a formal httoterot— apparently it was a formal httoterot .— apparently it was a formal bilateral. his— apparently it was a formal bilateral . his praised rishi bilateral. his praised rishi suhoh— bilateral. his praised rishi suhoh he— bilateral. his praised rishi sunak new brexit deal and he's urget— sunak new brexit deal and he's urget opporehtty— sunak new brexit deal and he's urged apparently northern tretoht-s— urged apparently northern ireland's political leaders to tur— ireland's political leaders to tur to— ireland's political leaders to return to power— ireland's political leaders to return to power sharing mix . return to power sharing mix. three— return to power sharing mix. mixed response,— return to power sharing mix. mixed response, i would say in my hurhhte— mixed response, i would say in my humble opinion, john, to htteh-s— my humble opinion, john, to biden's visit.— my humble opinion, john, to biden's visit. but you can't pteose— biden's visit. but you can't pteose some— biden's visit. but you can't please some people. you can't pteose— please some people. you can't pteose eeryohe— please some people. you can't please everyone all of the time. what— please everyone all of the time. what to— please everyone all of the time. what to you— please everyone all of the time. what do you think— please everyone all of the time. what do you think about him hethg— what do you think about him hethg oer— what do you think about him hethg th— what do you think about him being over in northern ireland? a good— being over in northern ireland? a good ththg.— being over in northern ireland? a good thing. it's— being over in northern ireland? a good thing. it's quite a stronge— a good thing. it's quite a strange time— a good thing. it's quite a strange time at the moment for northern— strange time at the moment for northern ireland.— strange time at the moment for northern ireland. you seen the terror— northern ireland. you seen the terror threats— northern ireland. you seen the terror threats increased. you've the — terror threats increased. you've seen the situation— terror threats increased. you've seen the situation the other day utth — seen the situation the other day with -youngsters_ seen the situation the other day with youngsters chucking with the youngsters chucking those— with the youngsters chucking those-ot— with the youngsters chucking those - at the - with the youngsters chucking those at the coppers and those things at the coppers and just those things at the coppers and rust hot— those things at the coppers and just not the— those things at the coppers and just not the kind— those things at the coppers and just not the kind of scenes that you— just not the kind of scenes that you wont— just not the kind of scenes that you wont to— just not the kind of scenes that you wont to he— just not the kind of scenes that you want to be seeing. 25 years on trorh — you want to be seeing. 25 years on tom the— you want to be seeing. 25 years on from the peace— you want to be seeing. 25 years on from the peace deal. your thoughtse— on from the peace deal. your thoughts? oh,— on from the peace deal. your thoughts? oh, look, i think ohyhoty— thoughts? oh, look, i think anybody followed joe anybody who's followed joe htteh-s— anybody who's followed joe biden's - knows - anybody who's followed joe biden's knows he's proud anybody who's followed joe birhis s knows he's proud anybody who's followed joe birhis his knows he's proud anybody who's followed joe birhis his irish knows he's proud anybody who's followed joe birhis his irish heritage. proud anybody who's followed joe birhis his irish heritage. rzi; sd of his his irish heritage. he's an of his his irish heritage. he's on trtsh— of his his irish heritage. he's an irish american— of his his irish heritage. he's an irish american .- of his his irish heritage. he's an irish american . he's an irish american. he's a catholic. and it's part of his working class roots to celebrate his irish roots. i think he's pleased to be there. and i think

his message i thought it was a pretty good message. his message was get the government back again, again northern again, going again in northern ireland, that will ireland, because that will unlock particularly unlock investment, particularly from celebrating the from the us celebrating the peace , the good friday peace treaty, the good friday agreement, because that was actually backed up by the big american involvement in the peace treaty, helping the ira to disarm, which is a major part of the success of the peace treaty . and look, i think he was sending a message that he backed rishi sunak's deal on the border, and that was a deal that was good for northern ireland, good for the uk, good for the european union. and i think it's good to have the endorsement of somebody important, somebody as important, as significant as joe biden on that, because as we need the new northern ireland protocol, the windsor protocol , windsor, the windsor protocol, windsor, the windsor protocol, windsor, the windsor framework to actually to be the settlement the eu had to give some things up, which is good. and we've got some we've got a change and let's get let's get peace rather than demonstrations around this. i

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than half a day in northern ireland. so he's not going to win the trust of the dup and get them to come back to stormont by presenting himself as an honest broker. they're not going to trust him. they're going to think he's basically aligned with the nationalists at and it doesn't look like that's going to happen as a consequence of his visit. but the one carrot he's holding out to the dup is if, if stormont is revived, then we could we could we could release some investment from the us. i'll encourage big, big hitting billionaires in the us to invest in northern ireland if we can get the power sharing arrangement back up and running. but he was quite careful with his but he was quite careful with hts tohguoge— but he was quite careful with his language because he was soythg— his language because he was soythg thet— his language because he was saying that that— his language because he was saying that that kind of saying that that was kind of pg,— saying that that was kind of the, you— saying that that was kind of the, you know,— saying that that was kind of the, you know, the best outcome. but the, you know, the best outcome. hut then — the, you know, the best outcome. hut then -ot— the, you know, the best outcome. but then -of stops - the, you know, the best outcome. but then -of stops short. but then he kind of stops short and he kind of said, but and then he kind of said, but it's up to you guys, obviously, to he didn't want to to he said he didn't want to interfere internal affairs. interfere in internal affairs. basically. was quite his basically. it was quite his language. ithink basically. it was quite his language. i think i think that's rtght. — language. i think i think that's rtght. .— language. i think i think that's rtght. tththh— language. i think i think that's right. i think had— 33 i think i think that's right. i think had there been a government— right. i think had there been a government in— right. i think had there been a government in northern ireland,

het— government in northern ireland, he-t hove— government in northern ireland, he-t have hot— government in northern ireland, he'd have had ministers to meet our— he'd have had ministers to meet dup ministers,— he'd have had ministers to meet dup ministers, the— he'd have had ministers to meet dup ministers, the dup, first pimple.— dup ministers, the dup, first hpnpge. o— dup ministers, the dup, first minister, a sinn— dup ministers, the dup, first minister, a sinn fein deputy, ttrst— minister, a sinn fein deputy, first minister. _ minister, a sinn fein deputy, first minister. he'd have had them— first minister. he'd have had them to— first minister. he'd have had them to meet— first minister. he'd have had them to meet the suspension of them to meet the suspension of the osserhhty— them to meet the suspension of the assembly means all he's got are politicians— the assembly means all he's got are politicians .— the assembly means all he's got are politicians. he's got teeters— are politicians. he's got leaders of— are politicians. he's got leaders of political parties . leaders of political parties. aho— leaders of political parties. aht tt— leaders of political parties. and it would _ leaders of political parties. and it would be odd for the prestteht— and it would be odd for the prestteht to— and it would be odd for the president to meet leaders of potttteot— president to meet leaders of political parties. _ president to meet leaders of political parties. the presidents- political parties. the presidents head of state, he meets— presidents head of state, he meets heads— presidents head of state, he meets heads government. and meets heads of government. and i ththh— meets heads of government. and i ththh-uhot— meets heads of government. and i think-what-holdingl think that was what was holding him think that was what was holding htrh—spehtthg- think that was what was holding him spending more time him back from spending more time in him back from spending more time th-tretoht.— in northern ireland. i think het— in northern ireland. i think he-t he— in northern ireland. i think he-t he very— in northern ireland. i think he'd be very happy to go back if there— he'd be very happy to go back if there was— he'd be very happy to go back if there was government to meet there was a government to meet tht— there was a government to meet tho-he— there was a government to meet tho-he hetter- there was a government to meet and-be better for- and it would be better for northern— and it would be better for northern ireland government northern ireland if a government was-meet, because- northern ireland if a government was meet, because for was there to meet, because for -they-ve— was there to meet, because for one -they've - the - one thing, they've not. the sht— one thing, they've not. the short-sort- one thing, they've not. the civil-can't do civil servants can't actually do ohyththg— civil servants can't actually do ohyththg ohout— civil servants can't actually do anything about support for energy— anything about support for energy httts. — anything about support for energy bills. got to be energy bills. that's got to be gone— energy bills. that's got to be tohelthe— energy bills. that's got to be done .the elected- energy bills. that's got to be done the elected assembly. done by the elected assembly. aho— done by the elected assembly. and—beenl and because they've not been stttthg— and because they've not been sitting - northern - and because they've not been sitting northern ireland sitting there, northern ireland has sitting there, northern ireland hos—ot- sitting there, northern ireland hos—ot the- sitting there, northern ireland| has—of the kind sitting there, northern ireland. has—of the kind of has been deprived of the kind of hetp— has been deprived of the kind of hetp thet— has been deprived of the kind of hetp thot wee— has been deprived of the kind of help that we've giving in help that we've been giving in the—wotes- the uk, in england, wales, soothe.— the uk, in england, wales,i soothe—ts scotland. and i think that is a rest— scotland. and i think that is a real material— scotland. and i think that is a real material difference for peopte— real material difference for people northern ireland that people in northern ireland that they— people in northern ireland that they ooh-t— people in northern ireland that they toh-t get— people in northern ireland that they don't get the support that w—ereshe- they don't get the support that we're_share.it,| we're getting their share of it, tho— we're getting their share of it, tho-very— we're getting their share of it, and-very exposed- we're getting their share of it, and very exposed the and they're very exposed to the cost— and they're very exposed to the cost-tor— and they're very exposed to the cost-for heating.- and they're very exposed to the cost for heating. and so cost of coal for heating. and so gettthg— cost of coal for heating. and so ggppng_.ogg,- getting back on the road, gettthg— getting back on the road, getting assembly going, the getting that assembly going, the government— getting that assembly going, the government going dealing with

wettore— government going dealing with welfare—living. welfare issues, cost of living issues,-issues,- welfare issues, cost of living issues, issues, think issues, health issues, i think that-s— issues, health issues, i think that's-essential- issues, health issues, i think that's essential . that's really essential. mats, ot— that's really essential. mats, ot hy— that's really essential. mats, one of my viewers- that's really essential. mats, one of my viewers says the us should butt out the windsor framework is not good for the uk or for northern ireland, and i hope the dup do not return to parliament. but lest you forget , the us paid a really crucial role. some would argue , when it role. some would argue, when it came to brokering or helping to broker the peace in the good friday agreement in the first place. does that change your view or not? john says i'm an irish brit living in belfast, but i really would love to bang our politicians heads together and tell them i don't know what this phrase is. it might be a local phrase, but i'm not sure if it's a rude one or not because it's tea time and because it's tea time and because i don't quite know what that phrase is. i might, but you tell me a piece of advice that you would give to those local politicians. do you think tony you would give to those local politi getsr. do you think tony you would give to those local politi gets enoughi think tony you would give to those local politi gets enough credit tony you would give to those local politi gets enough credit for�*ly you would give to those local politi gets enough credit for his blair gets enough credit for his role good friday role in the good friday agreement? no i don't. ithink agreement? no i don't. i think when the history— agreement? no i don't. i think when the history books- g“ \:::r r::::r l ithink when the history books are wrttteh— when the history books are written, they'll— when the history books are written, they'll look back on

tony-s— written, they'll look back on tohy-s-oht— written, they'll look back on tony's and sorting tony's career and sorting a ttspute— tony's career and sorting a ttspute thet— tony's career and sorting a dispute that certainly lasts shee— dispute that certainly lasts the — dispute that certainly lasts since the 60 _ dispute that certainly lasts since the 60 seconds, probably tested— since the 60 seconds, probably tested-years.- since the 60 seconds, probably lasted years. getting lasted for 800 years. getting peoee — lasted for 800 years. getting peace . northern _ lasted for 800 years. getting peace northern ireland, peace in northern ireland, gettthg— peace in northern ireland, gettthg peoee— peace in northern ireland, getting peace the island of getting peace on the island of retent— getting peace on the island of tretoht ts— getting peace on the island of tretoht ts o— getting peace on the island of ireland is a really, really rhtor— ireland is a really, really major actor. statesmanship. lots of-contributed - major actor. statesmanship. lots of-contributed .- major actor. statesmanship. lots of contributed . john of people contributed. john motor— of people contributed. john motor-o— of people contributed. john major a contribution, but major made a contribution, but stghthg— major made a contribution, but stghthg the— major made a contribution, but signing the-deal- major made a contribution, but signing the deal that was signing the final deal that was as now— signing the final deal that was as know two— signing the final deal that was as know mo mowlam said that was where— as know mo mowlam said that was where tony— as know mo mowlam said that was where tony blair's— as know mo mowlam said that was where tony blair's messianic street— where tony blair's messianic street he— where tony blair's messianic streak came out. _ where tony blair's messianic streak came out. he believed he eoutt— streak came out. he believed he eoutt sort— streak came out. he believed he eoutt sort rt.— streak came out. he believed he could sort it. he— streak came out. he believed he could sort it. he did bring peopte— could sort it. he did bring people together and he did sorheththg— people together and he did something nobody thought something that nobody thought was-howe— something that nobody thought was david trimble and was possible. david trimble and gerry— was possible. david trimble and terry-stghthg— was possible. david trimble and gerry-signing “p- was possible. david trimble and gerry signing up to gerry adams signing up to sorheththg— gerry adams signing up to something together. so i think but something together. so i think hut-tony,— something together. so i think hut-tony, .- something together. so i think but-tony, i know- something together. so i think but tony, i know he but knowing tony, i know he toesh-t— but knowing tony, i know he doesn't actually— but knowing tony, i know he doesn't actually go around goings— doesn't actually go around gothg, .— doesn't actually go around gothg, r ooh-t— doesn't actually go around going, i don't get enough credit ,_ppg_ going, i don't get enough credit ,_ppg the- , but he thinks that the settlement— , but he thinks that the settlement got the credit really is settlement got the credit really ts tor— settlement got the credit really ts tor the— settlement got the credit really ts tor the tor— settlement got the credit really is for the for the— settlement got the credit really is for the for the irish people because— is for the for the irish people because people— is for the for the irish people because people in ireland, peopte— because people in ireland, peopte th— because people in ireland, people in northern ireland voted for people in northern ireland voted tor the— people in northern ireland voted tor the peace— people in northern ireland voted for the peace deal.— people in northern ireland voted for the peace deal. in the end, it for the peace deal. in the end, tt-ehoseh— for the peace deal. in the end, tt-ehoseh hy— for the peace deal. in the end, it-chosen by the- for the peace deal. in the end, it chosen by the people and it was chosen by the people and tony— it was chosen by the people and tony-a— it was chosen by the people and tony - a facilitator - it was chosen by the people and tony a facilitator of great tony was a facilitator of great htstorteot— tony was a facilitator of great historical moment and it's sad that— historical moment and it's sad that there— historical moment and it's sad that there are _ historical moment and it's sad that there are very there are very— that there are very there are very few— that there are very there are very few other— that there are very there are very few other peace deals that hotsh— very few other peace deals that match tt— very few other peace deals that match it across— very few other peace deals that match it across the _ very few other peace deals that match it across the world. but it match it across the world. but tt-heeh— match it across the world. but tt-heeh o— match it across the world. but it-been a-thing.- match it across the world. but it been a thing. and it it has been a good thing. and it hos— it has been a good thing. and it hos-o— it has been a good thing. and it hos-o gooe— it has been a good thing. and it has-a good thing- it has been a good thing. and it has a good thing to has been a good thing to eetehrote— has been a good thing to celebrate years has been a good thing to celebrate .years with celebrate 25 years without with the-ot—

celebrate 25 years without with the-ot thet— celebrate 25 years without with the of that sectarian the lack of that sectarian woehtee — the lack of that sectarian violence. the— the lack of that sectarian violence. the bombings, the shootthgs— violence. the bombings, the shootings, which were part of my growthg— shootings, which were part of my growthg-ththh— shootings, which were part of my growing-think part- shootings, which were part of my growing think part of growing up, i think part of tohy-s— growing up, i think part of tohy-s growthg— growing up, i think part of toby's growing up. yeah. and i was-to— toby's growing up. yeah. and i was-to oh— toby's growing up. yeah. and i was-to an interview. was listening to an interview with actually, with tony blair, actually, i think was yesterday think it was yesterday or whatever. and was saying whatever. and he was saying actually when you look at actually that when you look at global these global conflicts, actually these kind they're kind of peace deals, they're incredibly and you see, i incredibly rare. and you see, i know i'm going off tangent a little bit. i grant you that. but when you look at the whole kind of ukraine russia thing , kind of ukraine russia thing, and i think it was china that came up with a peace plan and that was very much quickly pooh poohed and some would say actually there are global actually when there are global conflicts , could take a leaf conflicts, you could take a leaf out guys. and out of those guys. book and start have peace as the aim start to have peace as the aim and get those difficult parts of the puzzle around the table. that doesn't really happen. no , that doesn't really happen. no, they're often very l " no, they're often very intractable, tohg— they're often very intractable, tohg stghthg— they're often very intractable, long standing disagreements, otteh— long standing disagreements, often stretching— long standing disagreements, often stretching back generations- often stretching back generations . i remember talking generations. i remember talking to someone involved in conflict resotuttoh— to someone involved in conflict resolution work— to someone involved in conflict resolution work for— to someone involved in conflict resolution work for the un and ttythg— resolution work for the un and was flying around _ resolution work for the un and was flying around the world

ttythg— was flying around the world trythg to— was flying around the world trying to negotiate peace deals in trying to negotiate peace deals th wortous— trying to negotiate peace deals in various trouble— trying to negotiate peace deals in various trouble spots. and he sett— in various trouble spots. and he sott otteh— in various trouble spots. and he said often the— in various trouble spots. and he said often the only— in various trouble spots. and he said often the only thing which wttt— said often the only thing which wttt hrthg— said often the only thing which wttt hrthg the— said often the only thing which will bring the different sides to the— will bring the different sides to the negotiating table with a wtttthghess— to the negotiating table with a willingness to _ to the negotiating table with a willingness to negotiate is just boredom.— willingness to negotiate is just boredom. with— willingness to negotiate is just boredom. with the dispute. it's been— boredom. with the dispute. it's been gothg— boredom. with the dispute. it's been gothg oh— boredom. with the dispute. it's been going on for— boredom. with the dispute. it's been going on for so long, it's potsohet— been going on for so long, it's poisoned generations means that they-we— poisoned generations means that they-we hust— poisoned generations means that they-we tust tet— poisoned generations means that they've just fed up— poisoned generations means that they've just fed up with it. they-we— they've just fed up with it. they-we hust— they've just fed up with it. they-we tust o— they've just fed up with it. they've just a sense of inui stoterhote. — they've just a sense of inui stalemate. they— they've just a sense of inui stalemate. they just want to put it stalemate. they just want to put tt hehtht— stalemate. they just want to put it behind them.— stalemate. they just want to put it behind them. similarly, i guess— it behind them. similarly, i guess you— it behind them. similarly, i guess, you know, rishi sunak hopthg— guess, you know, rishi sunak hopthg to— guess, you know, rishi sunak hoping to broker— guess, you know, rishi sunak hoping to broker a deal between the eurosceptics_ hoping to broker a deal between the eurosceptics and the turophttes— the eurosceptics and the europhiles within the conservative party. it's now gone— conservative party. it's now gone oh— conservative party. it's now gone on tor— conservative party. it's now gone on for so— conservative party. it's now gone on for so long and you feel that— gone on for so long and you feel that-the— gone on for so long and you feel that-the reasons,- gone on for so long and you feel that the reasons, you that one of the reasons, you know— that one of the reasons, you know, - sceptics - that one of the reasons, you know, sceptics for that one of the reasons, you. know, - sceptics for the know, the euro sceptics for the host— know, the euro sceptics for the host-howe— know, the euro sceptics for the most have embraced the most part have embraced the wthtsor— most part have embraced the windsor—because| windsor frameworks because they-re— windsor frameworks because they-re-horet- windsor frameworks because they're - bored of - they're just so bored of ttghtthg— they're just so bored of fighting battle. they want fighting that battle. they want to—tust- fighting that battle. they want to—tust theyl fighting that battle. they wanti to—tust they tust to move on. they just they just they—orguhehti they can't have that argument egoth. —to- they can't have that argument egoth. —to youl they can't have that argument. again. _do you think again. do you think do you think that-s— again. do you think do you think thot-s torre— again. do you think do you think thot-s totre — again. do you think do you think thot-s totre t— again. do you think do you think that's fair? i think— again. do you think do you think that's fair? “< ’“ that's fair? i think jonathan powell, who worked with with tony on the peace agreement and who was my former boss as chief of staff to tony. jonathan says conflicts end when both sides they realise they can't win. neither side can win, and in the

end, neither the british army nor the ira could win the battle on the streets. and so they came to a settlement that's when the hard things about about russia , hard things about about russia, ukraine, russia thinks it can win . ukraine thinks it can win win. ukraine thinks it can win there will be a point when they both get to a stalemate and it takes it can take a long time . takes it can take a long time. look, the iran—iraq war went for on over a decade, just grinding. there could be that war could be going for a very long time. going on for a very long time. and the entrenched attitudes, the and, you know, ukraine and russia used to be so close together speaking the same language most of the time . and language most of the time. and the division that's caused by conflict takes a long time to heal conflict takes a long time to heal. and it does take leadership. it takes , you know, leadership. it takes, you know, if benjamin netanyahu was a different figure, more like david trimble , then maybe david trimble, then maybe there'd be movements in israel . there'd be movements in israel. but some politicians like like the power of the conflict to drive their politics. that's why

it seems very hard to ever get everything aligned to get to a peace deal. it is as toby said, people giving up, peace deal. it is as toby said, people giving up , people getting people giving up, people getting tired. a new generation coming through this was achieved by actually an existing generation . ithink actually an existing generation . i think i've got people rotttet— . i think i've got people rattled at— i think i've got people rattled at home, that is for hy— rattled at home, that is for sure. by mentioning tony blair tht— sure. by mentioning tony blair the how— sure. by mentioning tony blair the how hush— sure. by mentioning tony blair and how much credit that he shoute— and how much credit that he shoutt get— and how much credit that he should get for— and how much credit that he should get for the good must be tone— should get for the good must be gone wtth— should get for the good must be done with dues— should get for the good must be done with dues agreements . they done with dues agreements. they are done with dues agreements. they peopte— done with dues agreements. they peopte re— done with dues agreements. they are people are shouting , you're are people are shouting, you're shoutthg— are people are shouting, you're shoutthg ot— are people are shouting, you're shouting at me.— are people are shouting, you're shouting at me. it's coming through— shouting at me. it's coming through oh— shouting at me. it's coming through on rhy— shouting at me. it's coming through on my inbox. you're soythg— through on my inbox. you're soythg, how— through on my inbox. you're saying, how dare you try and tony— saying, how dare you try and cover tony blair— saying, how dare you try and cover tony blair in glory? what shout— cover tony blair in glory? what about that— cover tony blair in glory? what about that iraq?— cover tony blair in glory? what about that iraq? that's what peopte— about that iraq? that's what peopte re— about that iraq? that's what people are asking me . a lot of people are asking me. a lot of my wewers— people are asking me. a lot of my viewers think— people are asking me. a lot of my viewers think that, tony htotr— my viewers think that, tony blair should— my viewers think that, tony blair should be— my viewers think that, tony blair should be in prison, quite trohhty— blair should be in prison, quite trohttyuohh. — blair should be in prison, quite frankly, john. but— blair should be in prison, quite frankly, john, blair should be in prison, quite frankly, john. tar?“ blair should be in prison, quite frankly, john. tit?" frankly, john. but they can. but no, of course not. and they can never name a specified the law. he broke and you know, it. never name a specified the law. he broke and you know, it . there he broke and you know, it. there isn't any case for him . he had isn't any case for him. he had he had a parliamentary vote on iraq. the whole of the you know,

there was like 400 mps voted for going to war, not just one. the prime minister simon just said, michel , you keep saying it was michel, you keep saying it was all about peace, but am i right in understanding ? they ask that in understanding? they ask that murderers were— in understanding? they ask that murderers were released- ’“ l. 3: “g? they ask that murderers were released as part of murderers were released as part ot the— murderers were released as part ot the test— murderers were released as part ot the test e— murderers were released as part of the deal ? yes,— murderers were released as part of the deal ? yes, you are quite of the deal? yes, you are quite rtght. — of the deal? yes, you are quite right. prisoner— of the deal? yes, you are quite right. prisoner release was one of right. prisoner release was one ot the— right. prisoner release was one of the components, and i think it's of the components, and i think tt-s tetr— of the components, and i think tt-s totr to— of the components, and i think tt-s totr to soy— of the components, and i think it's fair to say that— of the components, and i think it's fair to say that that was ot— it's fair to say that that was ot the— it's fair to say that that was one of the most— it's fair to say that that was one of the most contentious eorhpohehts— one of the most contentious components of— one of the most contentious components of that. good friday .g...mg.p,_ components of that. good friday agreement, that— components of that. good friday agreement, that they did have to reetse— agreement, that they did have to release prisoners.— agreement, that they did have to release prisoners. it certainly ttwtet— release prisoners. it certainly divided opinions— release prisoners. it certainly divided opinions . there was divided opinions. there was disarmament— divided opinions. there was disarmament as— divided opinions. there was disarmament as well. there was stutt— disarmament as well. there was some stuff around— disarmament as well. there was some stuff around the police as wet.— some stuff around the police as wet those— some stuff around the police as well. those kind— some stuff around the police as well. those kind of— some stuff around the police as well. those kind of things. it eertothty— well. those kind of things. it eertothty ws— well. those kind of things. it certainly was not— well. those kind of things. it certainly was not a simple deal to broker.— certainly was not a simple deal to broker tt— certainly was not a simple deal to broker. it took— certainly was not a simple deal to broker. it took years and of tt— to broker. it took years and of course, it came— to broker. it took years and of course, it came after three decades— course, it came after three teeotes ot— course, it came after three decades of fighting as well. ttght. — decades of fighting as well. ttght. so— decades of fighting as well. ttght. so tet— decades of fighting as well. right. so let me know your thoughts.— right. so let me know your thoughts. eh— right. so let me know your thoughts. gb views gb news. .uk is thoughts. gb views gb news. .uk ts how— thoughts. gb views gb news. .uk ts how you— thoughts. gb views gb news. .uk ts how you oh— thoughts. gb views gb news. .uk is how you can reach me on twttter— is how you can reach me on twttter. tt— is how you can reach me on twitter. if that's— is how you can reach me on twitter. if that's your thing, you— twitter. if that's your thing, you so— twitter. if that's your thing, you get— twitter. if that's your thing, you get me— twitter. if that's your thing, you can get me there at michelle dewberry.— you can get me there at michelle pewterry. wow,— you can get me there at michelle dewberry. now, when i come back, whot— dewberry. now, when i come back, whot t— dewberry. now, when i come back, whot t wont— dewberry. now, when i come back, whot t wont to— dewberry. now, when i come back, what i want to talk— dewberry. now, when i come back, what i want to talk to you about is what i want to talk to you about ts os— what i want to talk to you about ts os o— what i want to talk to you about is as a man who— what i want to talk to you about is as a man who lost his wife the— is as a man who lost his wife

due to— is as a man who lost his wife due to cowo— is as a man who lost his wife due to covid vaccine complications, he has launched tegot— complications, he has launched tegot osttoh— complications, he has launched legal action now— complications, he has launched legal action now against astrazeneca_ legal action now against astrazeneca .— legal action now against astrazeneca . uh, he says that astrazeneca. uh, he says that the— astrazeneca. uh, he says that the government— astrazeneca. uh, he says that the government is basically tettthg— the government is basically tettthg the— the government is basically letting the people down that howe— letting the people down that howe heeh— letting the people down that have been vaccine injured. is he rtght— have been vaccine injured. is he rtght or— have been vaccine injured. is he rtght or hote— have been vaccine injured. is he right or not? see— have been vaccine injured. is he right or not? see you .

in two. hi i in two. hi there.j i in two.- hi there. i'm | to two.— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry oht— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry oht th— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry oho t-rh teepthg— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company rtght— and i'm keeping you company rtght through— and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. teepthg— right through till 7:00 tonight. keeping company. toby young, keeping me company. toby young, the ttrestor— keeping me company. toby young, the director of— keeping me company. toby young, the director of the _ keeping me company. toby young, the director of the free speech uhtoh— the director of the free speech union, _mcternan,- union, and john mcternan, a pottttsot— union, and john mcternan, a political strategy wokeist mike has political strategy wokeist mike hos-th— political strategy wokeist mike hos-h toush— political strategy wokeist mike has in touch twitter has been in touch on twitter soyhg— has been in touch on twitter soyhg-osh- has been in touch on twitter saying, _ask john. has been in touch on twitter saying, ask john if he'd saying, can you ask john if he'd be saying, can you ask john if he'd he-postttwe— saying, can you ask john if he'd be-positive about- be quite so positive about htteh-s— be quite so positive about biden's visit— be quite so positive about biden's visit if— be quite so positive about biden's visit if the president in biden's visit if the president to guesttoh— biden's visit if the president in question was— biden's visit if the president in question was in fact trump if the prestteht— in question was in fact trump if the president in— in question was in fact trump if the president in question had sort— the president in question had sott whot— the president in question had said what joe— the president in question had said what joe biden had said, then— said what joe biden had said, then to— said what joe biden had said, then to he— said what joe biden had said, then i'd be happy with it. the amertsoh— then i'd be happy with it. the american president— then i'd be happy with it. the american president comes to northern ireland as a guarantor, in effect, of the peace process,

a guarantor of the good friday agreement, and offering , you agreement, and offering, you know, basically america support because the 40 million irish americans the thing is, donald trump , as we know, is actually trump, as we know, is actually scottish american . he's he's a scottish american. he's he's a product of the western isles. well, there you go, mike. that tott— well, there you go, mike. that tott you— well, there you go, mike. that out you rtght.— well, there you go, mike. that told you right. let's move on. a story— told you right. let's move on. a story thot— told you right. let's move on. a story that caught— told you right. let's move on. a story that caught my eye, a topts— story that caught my eye, a topts th— story that caught my eye, a topts t-rh very— story that caught my eye, a topic i'm very passionate about. you— topic i'm very passionate about. you rhtght— topic i'm very passionate about. you might remember our from some of you might remember our from some ot the— you might remember our from some ot the tehotes— you might remember our from some of the debates we've— you might remember our from some of the debates we've had on this show,— of the debates we've had on this show-ts— of the debates we've had on this show-ts the— of the debates we've had on this show,-is the vaccine. show, and that is the vaccine horrhs— show, and that is the vaccine harms discussion. _ show, and that is the vaccine harms discussion. the widow of a hos— harms discussion. the widow of a the presenter,— harms discussion. the widow of a bbc presenter, a— harms discussion. the widow of a bbc presenter, a widow sorry me of bbc presenter, a widow sorry me ot o— bbc presenter, a widow sorry me ot o hos— bbc presenter, a widow sorry me of a bbc presenter— bbc presenter, a widow sorry me of a bbc presenter who died from the cowo— of a bbc presenter who died from the covid vaccine— of a bbc presenter who died from the covid vaccine complications, has the covid vaccine complications, hos touhshet— the covid vaccine complications, has launched legal— the covid vaccine complications, has launched legal action ogothst— has launched legal action against against astrazeneca. thts— against against astrazeneca. thts ts— against against astrazeneca. thts ts oh— against against astrazeneca. this is on behalf of 75 people whose— this is on behalf of 75 people whose relatives— this is on behalf of 75 people whose relatives died or suffered thturtes— whose relatives died or suffered injuries related— whose relatives died or suffered injuries related to— whose relatives died or suffered injuries related to the jab. now— injuries related to the jab. wow, you— injuries related to the jab. now, you might be familiar with the tow— now, you might be familiar with the toty th— now, you might be familiar with the lady i'm talking about lisa show.— the lady i'm talking about lisa show. she— the lady i'm talking about lisa shaw. she was— the lady i'm talking about lisa shaw. she was ,— the lady i'm talking about lisa shaw. she was , as i said, bbc shaw. she was, as i said, bbc presenter.— shaw. she was, as i said, bbc presenter. she— shaw. she was, as i said, bbc presenter. she died in 2021, not tohg— presenter. she died in 2021, not tohg otter— presenter. she died in 2021, not long after receiving her first sowe— long after receiving her first covid vaccine _ long after receiving her first covid vaccine .— long after receiving her first covid vaccine . now her husband, covid vaccine. now her husband, soreth— covid vaccine. now her husband, soreth he— covid vaccine. now her husband, soreth he soys— covid vaccine. now her husband, gareth, he says that he's spent

hostsotty— gareth, he says that he's spent hostsotty two— gareth, he says that he's spent basically two years trying to get— basically two years trying to get the — basically two years trying to get the government different thts— get the government different mps, different— get the government different mps, different prime ministers etsetero— mps, different prime ministers etsetero, to — mps, different prime ministers etcetera, to address and acknowledge - etcetera, to address and acknowledge what happened to lisa acknowledge what happened to ttso oht— acknowledge what happened to ttso oho peopte— acknowledge what happened to lisa and people similar to her. who— lisa and people similar to her. who he— lisa and people similar to her. who he teets— lisa and people similar to her. and he feels like— lisa and people similar to her. and he feels like now he's got nowhere— and he feels like now he's got nowhere to— and he feels like now he's got nowhere to go. — and he feels like now he's got nowhere to go. this is the last step.— nowhere to go. this is the last step. whot— nowhere to go. this is the last step. whot to— nowhere to go. this is the last step. what do you— nowhere to go. this is the last step. what do you think? john? it's step. what do you think? john? tt-s o— step. what do you think? john? tt-s o trogts— step. what do you think? john? it's a tragic case.— step. what do you think? john? it's a tragic case. _ step. what do you think? john? it's a tragic case. l it's a tragic case. it's incredibly rare. 1 in 2,000,000, i think is what the news reports are saying . but that that is no are saying. but that that is no succour to somebody who's lost, who's lost their wife . the uk who's lost their wife. the uk has got a very well established and incredibly well respected procedures for testing and regulating medicines before they're released at the covid was was different in that it was a rapid process. but i don't think any safety measures were were skipped in releasing the vaccines and the government as it does with i think almost every vaccine in indemnifies the

companies but has a has a there's a vaccine compensation scheme in place which i think would be open to mr. shaw to apply for. but none of the arrangements that we've got prevent an individual suing and successfully suing the company . successfully suing the company. so i think it's a terrible situation when there is a government scheme. there was regulation an and there is a route for him to sue, which i think the news reports say say he's he's he's taking up. so do you think this “t; l. so do you think this government has responded— you think this government has responded and— you think this government has responded and reacted with ttghtty— responded and reacted with ttghtty ,— responded and reacted with dignity , compassion and dignity, compassion and acknowledge— dignity, compassion and acknowledge those people irrespective _ acknowledge those people irrespective of— acknowledge those people irrespective of whether it's one in irrespective of whether it's one th whotewer— irrespective of whether it's one in whatever numbers? i don't tt— in whatever numbers? i don't tt tt-s— in whatever numbers? i don't tt tt-s ohe— in whatever numbers? i don't care if it's one that's too many for care if it's one that's too many tor rhe— care if it's one that's too many tor hut— care if it's one that's too many tor hut to— care if it's one that's too many for me. but do you— care if it's one that's too many for me. but do you think the government— for me. but do you think the government has— for me. but do you think the government has responded in the rtght— government has responded in the rtght woy— government has responded in the rtght woy to— government has responded in the right way to those _ government has responded in the right way to those families? i ththh— right way to those families? i ththh t— right way to those families? i think i think— right way to those families? i think i think the— right way to those families? i think i think the government has been— think i think the government has been compassionate to all the torhtttes— been compassionate to all the families who've— been compassionate to all the families who've been affected by the sowe— families who've been affected by the covid vaccine. _ families who've been affected by the covid vaccine. md families who've been affected by the covid vaccine. 3 q will the covid vaccine. right. well torfaen well, not according to gareth, lisa shaw's husband . he

gareth, lisa shaw's husband. he says the reason he's i : he says the reason he's seeking tegot— says the reason he's seeking tegot osttoh— says the reason he's seeking legal action is— says the reason he's seeking legal action is because he's reoshet— legal action is because he's reoshet out— legal action is because he's reached out to— legal action is because he's reached out to try and talk to government— reached out to try and talk to government officials on numerous occasions over the— government officials on numerous occasions over the past two yeors— occasions over the past two yeors aho— occasions over the past two yes who he— occasions over the past two years. and he hasn't been able to ehgoge— years. and he hasn't been able to ehgoge wtth— years. and he hasn't been able to engage with them . he hasn't. to engage with them. he hasn't. i to engage with them. he hasn't. t ooh-t— to engage with them. he hasn't. t ooh-t ththh— to engage with them. he hasn't. i don't think he's— to engage with them. he hasn't. i don't think he's received any the— i don't think he's received any the ot— i don't think he's received any the ot opotogy— i don't think he's received any kind of apology from the government— kind of apology from the government and i absolutely opptout— government and i absolutely opptouo whot— government and i absolutely applaud what he's doing. i think it's applaud what he's doing. i think tt-s greot— applaud what he's doing. i think tt-s greot thot— applaud what he's doing. i think it's great that that— applaud what he's doing. i think it's great that that he's not happy— it's great that that he's not hoppy wtth— it's great that that he's not happy with the_ it's great that that he's not happy with the 120,000, which is whot— happy with the 120,000, which is whot you — happy with the 120,000, which is whot you son— happy with the 120,000, which is what you can be— happy with the 120,000, which is what you can be awarded under the otttstot— what you can be awarded under the official vaccine compensation scheme. and incidentally— compensation scheme. and incidentally ,— compensation scheme. and incidentally , to— compensation scheme. and incidentally , to be eligible for incidentally, to be eligible for hot— incidentally, to be eligible for thot owort— incidentally, to be eligible for thot owort ,— incidentally, to be eligible for that award , you— incidentally, to be eligible for that award , you either have to that award, you either have to be that award, you either have to he o— that award, you either have to be a relative— that award, you either have to be a relative of— that award, you either have to be a relative of someone who has tree.— be a relative of someone who has tree. so— be a relative of someone who has tree. so youre— be a relative of someone who has died. so you're getting the owort— died. so you're getting the owort oh— died. so you're getting the award on their— died. so you're getting the award on their behalf. so he'd be award on their behalf. so he'd he ettgthte— award on their behalf. so he'd be eligible for— award on their behalf. so he'd be eligible for it— award on their behalf. so he'd be eligible for it or the person in be eligible for it or the person to guesttoh— be eligible for it or the person in question has— be eligible for it or the person in question has to— be eligible for it or the person in question has to be 60% ttsohtest— in question has to be 60% disabled. so— in question has to be 60% disabled. so it's quite a high tor.— disabled. so it's quite a high tor. there— disabled. so it's quite a high bar. there are— disabled. so it's quite a high bar. there are quite a few peopte— bar. there are quite a few peopte who— bar. there are quite a few people who are- bar. there are quite a few people who are vaccine injured, but people who are vaccine injured, hut hot— people who are vaccine injured, hut hot hot— people who are vaccine injured, but not that badly— people who are vaccine injured, but not that badly vaccine thturet. — but not that badly vaccine thruret. .so— but not that badly vaccine injured. so they're injured. and so they're ineligible— injured. and so they're ineligible for any vaccine compensation— ineligible for any vaccine compensation . but 120,000 isn't compensation. but 120,000 isn't enough— compensation. but 120,000 isn't enough to— compensation. but 120,000 isn't enough to compensate gareth or

her— enough to compensate gareth or thetr youhg— enough to compensate gareth or their young child _ enough to compensate gareth or their young child for the loss of their young child for the loss ot o— their young child for the loss ot o whe— their young child for the loss of a wife and— their young child for the loss of a wife and mother. so he's suthg— of a wife and mother. so he's suing astrazeneca. and as john soys— suing astrazeneca. and as john soys ,— suing astrazeneca. and as john soys , you— suing astrazeneca. and as john soys , you son— suing astrazeneca. and as john says , you can sue— suing astrazeneca. and as john says , you can sue astrazeneca. says, you can sue astrazeneca. tt-s— says, you can sue astrazeneca. tt-s rust— says, you can sue astrazeneca. tt-s tust the— says, you can sue astrazeneca. it's just the taxpayer has to ptsh— it's just the taxpayer has to ptst up— it's just the taxpayer has to ptst up the— it's just the taxpayer has to pick up the tab— it's just the taxpayer has to pick up the tab if he's successful— pick up the tab if he's successful because the british government— successful because the british government has— successful because the british government has indemnified the vaccine manufacturers. but the t— vaccine manufacturers. but the reason i think— vaccine manufacturers. but the reason i think this— vaccine manufacturers. but the reason i think this is good is hot— reason i think this is good is hot rust— reason i think this is good is not just because— reason i think this is good is not just because he deserves thoh— not just because he deserves more than 120,000, but because the government— more than 120,000, but because the government needs to be held to ossouht— the government needs to be held to account because— the government needs to be held to account because it was sorhpttstt— to account because it was sorhpttstt th— to account because it was complicit in the underestimation of complicit in the underestimation ot the— complicit in the underestimation ot the rtshs— complicit in the underestimation of the risks associated with tohthg— of the risks associated with tohthg the— of the risks associated with taking the mrna covid vaccines , taking the mrna covid vaccines, as taking the mrna covid vaccines, os wett— taking the mrna covid vaccines, os wett os— taking the mrna covid vaccines, os wett os the— taking the mrna covid vaccines, as well as the overselling of them — as well as the overselling of them ,— as well as the overselling of them , os— as well as the overselling of them , as well— as well as the overselling of them , as well as- as well as the overselling of them , as well as various them, as well as various thsehttwes— them, as well as various incentives put- them, as well as various incentives put in place to try one— incentives put in place to try one house— incentives put in place to try and induce people to get vaccinated, _ and induce people to get vaccinated, such as, you know , vaccinated, such as, you know, vaccine passports,— vaccinated, such as, you know, vaccine passports, sacking peopte— vaccine passports, sacking peopte who — vaccine passports, sacking people who weren't vaccinated, who— people who weren't vaccinated, who worked— people who weren't vaccinated, who worked for— people who weren't vaccinated, who worked for care homes in the hts.— who worked for care homes in the whs. so— who worked for care homes in the whs. so t— who worked for care homes in the whs. so t ththh— who worked for care homes in the nhs. so i think they clearly hote— nhs. so i think they clearly more o— nhs. so i think they clearly made a number— nhs. so i think they clearly made a number of mistakes. and if made a number of mistakes. and tt we— made a number of mistakes. and tt we soh— made a number of mistakes. and tt we hohe— made a number of mistakes. and if we can make them pay a price for if we can make them pay a price tor rhohthg— if we can make them pay a price for making those— if we can make them pay a price for making those mistakes, they-re— for making those mistakes, they're-likely- for making those mistakes, they're likely make them they're less likely to make them ogoth. —ogrse.- they're less likely to make them again. _agree. justj again. i completely agree. just to put some figures around this, of some of claims of course, some of these claims are still being processed, but so 60. i think 71 claims

so that's 60. i think 71 claims that have been rejected where causation was accepted , but causation was accepted, but disablement assessed at less than 60. see, i think that's pretty disgusting, quite frankly . so you accept and this is just the claims that you processed so far that i mean, out of all the different groups, you've got 70 odd people full who you acknowledge their ailments, injuries, disabilities, whatever it is, have been caused by by this vaccine that people were coerced into taking or they were i mean, i think this country lost its collective minds around those vaccines and the conversation and to me, i found it almost a form of it was like sleepwalking into like a medical apartheid , people wanting people apartheid, people wanting people to be fired, not having access to be fired, not having access to health care or, you know, in various different countries. all of these weird things were going on.andi of these weird things were going on. and i think it's appalling that you can roll your sleeve up, do what you think is the right thing, and then your government will turn around to you you are you've only you and go, you are you've only

lost the use of one of your legs. nana sorry about that, mate. disabled. mate. that's not 60% disabled. off . well, the treatment off you go. well, the treatment in off you go. well, the treatment th our— off you go. well, the treatment in our welfare— off you go. well, the treatment in our welfare system- o” git well, the treatment in our welfare system of people wtth— in our welfare system of people with disabilities— in our welfare system of people with disabilities is— in our welfare system of people with disabilities is shocking ohe— with disabilities is shocking oho oppotthg— with disabilities is shocking and appalling. the level of benefits— and appalling. the level of benefits that— and appalling. the level of benefits that are paid and compensation,— benefits that are paid and compensation, that's paid under sostot— compensation, that's paid under social security— compensation, that's paid under social security is— compensation, that's paid under social security is appallingly tow. — social security is appallingly tow. the— social security is appallingly low. the compensation scheme thot— low. the compensation scheme thot the— low. the compensation scheme that the government have set up here— that the government have set up here rettests— that the government have set up here reflects it's— that the government have set up here reflects it's the fact that tt-s— here reflects it's the fact that tt-s o— here reflects it's the fact that it's a government— here reflects it's the fact that it's a government that is thsretthty— it's a government that is incredibly mean towards people wtth— incredibly mean towards people with disabilities— incredibly mean towards people with disabilities .— incredibly mean towards people with disabilities . we're seeing with disabilities. we're seeing thts— with disabilities. we're seeing thts th— with disabilities. we're seeing thts th th— with disabilities. we're seeing this in in the— with disabilities. we're seeing this in in the mercifully small hurherh— this in in the mercifully small hurherh ot— this in in the mercifully small number of cases— this in in the mercifully small number of cases in relation to the— number of cases in relation to the cowh— number of cases in relation to the sovto te— number of cases in relation to the covid 19 vaccine in but the geherot— the covid 19 vaccine in but the geherot ose— the covid 19 vaccine in but the general case that— the covid 19 vaccine in but the general case that we should spent— general case that we should spend ore— general case that we should spend more on— general case that we should spend more on welfare and support— spend more on welfare and support tor— spend more on welfare and support for people with disabilities. _ support for people with disabilities. i- support for people with disabilities. i absolutely agree wtth— disabilities. i absolutely agree wtth you. — disabilities. i absolutely agree with you. yeah.— disabilities. i absolutely agree with you. yeah. but- disabilities. i absolutely agree with you. / c’3tii111i1 disabilities. i absolutely agree with you. “43?" ”t“tii mi with you. yeah. but there are two different things. i think that obviously being disabled, it's you know, and it's tragic, like, you know, and all rest it without all the rest of it goes without saying. but when you were a previously fit and healthy person and were coerced person in and you were coerced and coerced and coerced into having a medication that you were led to believe was safe and

effective, and as a result of that, that is why you have a disabled man. i think that is simply appalling and there should be no get out clause for the government that has suggested that you take that medication . and i'll tell you medication. and i'll tell you what else is appalling in my mind as well, toby. the treatment of these people within the media, these people have been called anti—vaxxers conspiracy theorists. they've been abused, no end. and they've been abused, no end. and they've been vilified. and i think it's wrong . absolutely. any one who wrong. absolutely. any one who hreothes— wrong. absolutely. any one who hreothes o— wrong. absolutely. any one who breathes a word— wrong. absolutely. any one who breathes a word of— g absolutely. any one who breathes a word of criticism ohout— breathes a word of criticism ohout the— breathes a word of criticism about the mrna vaccines, sertothty— about the mrna vaccines, certainly over— about the mrna vaccines, certainly over the past two yeors— certainly over the past two yeors hos— certainly over the past two years has been— certainly over the past two years has been demonised as an otoer— years has been demonised as an otoer .— years has been demonised as an anti—vaxxer . and— years has been demonised as an anti—vaxxer . and you can say anti—vaxxer. and you can say uhttt— anti—vaxxer. and you can say uhttt youre— anti—vaxxer. and you can say until you're blue— anti—vaxxer. and you can say until you're blue in the face, t-rh — until you're blue in the face, t-rh hot— until you're blue in the face, t-rh hot oh— until you're blue in the face, i'm not an anti—vaxxer i've been wossthotet. — i'm not an anti—vaxxer i've been wossthotet. tty— i'm not an anti—vaxxer i've been vaccinated. my children have had the wtth— vaccinated. my children have had the www hut— vaccinated. my children have had the www hut t— vaccinated. my children have had the mmr, but i just think the sowe— the mmr, but i just think the sovto rottwe— the mmr, but i just think the covid mrna vaccines were owersott — covid mrna vaccines were oversold old _ covid mrna vaccines were oversold old and the risks of tohthg— oversold old and the risks of totthg them— oversold old and the risks of taking them were underestimated . vou— taking them were underestimated . you soy— taking them were underestimated . you soy gap,— taking them were underestimated . you say that, which i think is a . you say that, which i think is o pertestty— . you say that, which i think is a perfectly reasonable, defensible, _

a perfectly reasonable, defensible, evidence based point , oho— defensible, evidence based point , oht youre— defensible, evidence based point , and you're automatically hrohtet— , and you're automatically branded some— , and you're automatically branded some kind of hysterical ohtt— branded some kind of hysterical ohtt woer— branded some kind of hysterical anti vaxer who _ branded some kind of hysterical anti vaxer who belongs on a srozy— anti vaxer who belongs on a srozy terho— anti vaxer who belongs on a crazy demo with— anti vaxer who belongs on a crazy demo with piers corbyn. aho— crazy demo with piers corbyn. who tt-s— crazy demo with piers corbyn. and it's disgraceful the way the metro— and it's disgraceful the way the metro hos— and it's disgraceful the way the media has not— and it's disgraceful the way the media has not been prepared to ttssuss— media has not been prepared to ttssuss thts— media has not been prepared to discuss this in— media has not been prepared to discuss this in a— media has not been prepared to discuss this in a grown up way oho— discuss this in a grown up way one ghe— discuss this in a grown up way one gtye the— discuss this in a grown up way and give the time— discuss this in a grown up way and give the time of day to peopte— and give the time of day to peopte who— and give the time of day to people who have a, you know, a reosohohte— people who have a, you know, a reasonable to— people who have a, you know, a reasonable to case— people who have a, you know, a reasonable to case make against the rtshs— reasonable to case make against the risks associated with taking these— the risks associated with taking these vaccines— the risks associated with taking these vaccines in— the risks associated with taking these vaccines in contrast to the— these vaccines in contrast to the benefits. _ these vaccines in contrast to the benefits. yeah. ' “t: t: the benefits. yeah. and i'd purpos— the benefits. yeah. and i'd dumas heart goes out to all of those people have been those people that have been affected this and that still affected by this and that still fights to be recognised, acknowledged and all the rest. i cannot imagine what they must be going through. keep your thoughts. your thoughts thoughts. i want your thoughts coming on that one. do you coming in on that one. do you think people should be think these people should be able sue the likes of able to sue the likes of astrazeneca? do you think the government is failing these people think, put people or do you think, oh, put a sock it ? all medications a sock in it? all medications have risks. your thoughts on that ? i want to take have risks. your thoughts on that? i want to take a quick break. when i come back, i want to ask you about this. have you seen the story about six police officers? i think it was rocked up a pub to seize something

up at a pub to seize something deemed as racist . it was up at a pub to seize something deemed as racist. it was a up at a pub to seize something deemed as racist . it was a doll. deemed as racist. it was a doll. do you think that is a good use of a police time or not? give me your thoughts and i'll see you .

in two. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, toby young , the alongside me, toby young, the director of the free speech union, john mcternan, a union, and john mcternan, a political strategist. we started the talking about the the programme talking about the good friday agreement. of good friday agreement. lots of you touch about that. you getting in touch about that. many said, please, many of you have said, please, michelle, give some michelle, can you give some credit mo mowlam? she credit for mo mowlam? she never seems in this seems to get a mention in this process and i'd like to hear her name mentioned . well, there you name mentioned. well, there you go. john i was saying to you about tony blair earlier on, and i was saying to you that some people less than favourable about blair. were about tony blair. you were saying , but no one ever seems to saying, but no one ever seems to be able to give me an offence or

whatever the word was that they think that committed. lots think that he's committed. lots of my viewers have said, well, what misleading parliament of my viewers have said, well, whathis misleading parliament of my viewers have said, well, whathis mizupiding parliament of my viewers have said, well, whathis mizup dossierirliament of my viewers have said, well, whathis mizup dossier ?iament of my viewers have said, well, whathis mizup dossier ? theret with his sexed up dossier? there you what think. you go. that's what they think. he should be trouble for. is he should be in trouble for. is that or not? well, 400, that fair or not? well, 400, 400, that fair or not? well, 400, hoe, ore— that fair or not? well, 400, 400, more than— that fair or not? well, 400, 400, more than 400 - , “tit7 well, 400, 400, more than 400 people in porttorheht— 400, more than 400 people in parliament voted,— 400, more than 400 people in parliament voted, 404 400 mps wotet— parliament voted, 404 400 mps totee-yes.— parliament voted, 404 400 mps voted-yes. but— parliament voted, 404 400 mps voted yes. but they're voted for. yes. but they're soyhg— voted for. yes. but they're soythg thot— voted for. yes. but they're saying that that based on saying that that was based on tony— saying that that was based on how htotr— saying that that was based on tony blair misleading him. i throt— tony blair misleading him. i ththh thot-s— tony blair misleading him. i think that's it— tony blair misleading him. i think that's it was— tony blair misleading him. i think that's it was .the- tony blair misleading him. i think that's it was .the it. think that's it was on the it was on tony's speech was on the full case defending the full case for defending the united the integrity united nations and the integrity of nations weapons of the united nations weapons weapons inspection system. but look, the it's not actually- look, the it's not actually a srtrhe— look, the it's not actually a tor— look, the it's not actually a crime for which _ look, the it's not actually a crime for which you can be trhprtsohet— crime for which you can be imprisoned to— crime for which you can be imprisoned to mislead parliament. - imprisoned to mislead parliament. otherwise, a lot of rhthtsters— parliament. otherwise, a lot of ministers and— parliament. otherwise, a lot of ministers and prime ministers woutt— ministers and prime ministers woutt he— ministers and prime ministers woutt he th— ministers and prime ministers would be in jail— ministers and prime ministers would be in jail at the moment. wett— would be in jail at the moment. war, there— would be in jail at the moment. well, there you— would be in jail at the moment. well, there you go. ’“ well, there you go. that's his response to you guys at home. what do you make to it? it's also lots of you getting in touch saying, please, can you tell toby young the tell toby young that the astrazeneca was not astrazeneca vaccine was not a i've told you, toby. sorry about that. right let's move on, shall we? pub landlady in essex has defended display of golly defended her display of golly doll as six police officers were

sent to the pub to confiscate it. that awesome contrary vessel dolls. anyway she's having none of it. planning to put some more dolls up there. and apparently it's been investigated as an alleged hate crime. now i've got to say, i deliberately use the word golly dolls. then because there's something about the phrase a that makes me kind of i can't explain it. there's a part of me that makes me wince. now when i was growing up, i vaguely remember my nana used to get tokens. i can't remember what robinson's was it? yeah. but i remember on the label of the jammer, you used to get pin badges and you know, towards it was toys. it was very innocent and all the rest of it. but to many people, all these are very offensive. kyiv many people, all these are very offensive . kyiv yeah, i think offensive. kyiv yeah, i think the— offensive. kyiv yeah, i think the rssue— offensive. kyiv yeah, i think the issue here— offensive. kyiv yeah, i think the issue here isn't- kyiv yeah, i think the issue here isn't whether the tous— the issue here isn't whether the dolls themselves— the issue here isn't whether the dolls themselves are offensive. t hey— dolls themselves are offensive. they steorty— dolls themselves are offensive. they clearly are— dolls themselves are offensive. they clearly are based on a rostot— they clearly are based on a racial stereotype. the question is, racial stereotype. the question ts ts— racial stereotype. the question

ts ts the— racial stereotype. the question is, is the display— racial stereotype. the question is, is the display way of these tous— is, is the display way of these totts th— is, is the display way of these totts th o— is, is the display way of these dolls in a pub,— is, is the display way of these dolls in a pub, does it even opproosh— dolls in a pub, does it even opproosh the— dolls in a pub, does it even approach the threshold of being approach the threshold of being o hote— approach the threshold of being o hote srtrhe— approach the threshold of being a hate crime or— approach the threshold of being a hate crime or even a racially oggrowotet— a hate crime or even a racially aggravated criminal offence? and the oswer— aggravated criminal offence? and the t— aggravated criminal offence? and the answer, i think, is plainly no the answer, i think, is plainly ho , the— the answer, i think, is plainly no , the offence. _ the answer, i think, is plainly no , the offence. i— the answer, i think, is plainly no , the offence. i think the no, the offence. i think the pottse— no, the offence. i think the pottse howe— no, the offence. i think the police have said- no, the offence. i think the police have said that they're thwesttgotthg— police have said that they're investigating as— police have said that they're investigating as a potential hote— investigating as a potential hote srtrhe— investigating as a potential hate crime. is— investigating as a potential hate crime. is the is causing someone of a particular race horossrheht— someone of a particular race harassment alarm or distress whtsh— harassment alarm or distress whtsh ts— harassment alarm or distress whtsh ts oh— harassment alarm or distress which is an offence under the tuhtts— which is an offence under the public order— which is an offence under the public order act.— which is an offence under the public order act. but they'd howe— public order act. but they'd hoye to— public order act. but they'd have to show— public order act. but they'd have to show intent in order to prosesute— have to show intent in order to prosesute the— have to show intent in order to prosecute the public and for thts.— prosecute the public and for thts. aho— prosecute the public and for this. and it's— prosecute the public and for this. and it's clear that he ttth-t— this. and it's clear that he didn't intend— this. and it's clear that he didn't intend to- this. and it's clear that he didn't intend to cause anyone horossrheht— didn't intend to cause anyone horossrheht ,— didn't intend to cause anyone harassment, alarm or distress by otsptoythg— harassment, alarm or distress by otsptoythg these— harassment, alarm or distress by displaying these dolls. so i ththh— displaying these dolls. so i ththh the— displaying these dolls. so i think the chances of him ostuotty— think the chances of him actually being prosecuted and it stohtthg— actually being prosecuted and it stohothg up— actually being prosecuted and it stohothg up th— actually being prosecuted and it standing up in court are wohtshthg— standing up in court are vanishing to— standing up in court are vanishing to zero. so the guesttoh— vanishing to zero. so the guesttoh ts— vanishing to zero. so the question is, why are the police sehtthg— question is, why are the police sehothg, you— question is, why are the police sending, you know, up to six? some— sending, you know, up to six? sorhe peopte— sending, you know, up to six? sorhe peopte soy— sending, you know, up to six? some people say it was five, some— some people say it was five, some sw— some people say it was five, some six, six— some people say it was five, some six, six police officers thto— some six, six police officers thto o— some six, six police officers thto o put— some six, six police officers thto o put to— some six, six police officers into a pub to confiscate these homes— into a pub to confiscate these totttes th— into a pub to confiscate these dollies in evidence bags when i toot— dollies in evidence bags when i toot thts— dollies in evidence bags when i toot thts up.— dollies in evidence bags when i look this up. but— dollies in evidence bags when i look this up. but the number of hurgtortes— look this up. but the number of burglaries which— look this up. but the number of burglaries which ended in someone being charged or summoned to— someone being charged or summoned to court in essex in 20

here— summoned to court in essex in 20 tote os— summoned to court in essex in 20 tote yr. — summoned to court in essex in 20 tote yr. so— summoned to court in essex in 20 1819 was 4. so 96%_ summoned to court in essex in 20 1819 was 4. so 96% of burglars got owoy— 1819 was 4. so 96% of burglars got owoy. ssot— 1819 was 4. so 96% of burglars got away. scot free in essex in reee.— got away. scot free in essex in testo- aho— got away. scot free in essex in testo- who t— got away. scot free in essex in 1890. and i don't— got away. scot free in essex in 1890. and i don't suppose those hurhersh— 1890. and i don't suppose those hurhersh howe— 1890. and i don't suppose those numbers have improved since. if you get— numbers have improved since. if you get purged,— numbers have improved since. if you get burgled, you're lucky if pottse— you get burgled, you're lucky if one police officer— you get burgled, you're lucky if one police officer turns up at your— one police officer turns up at your hoe— one police officer turns up at your house, let— one police officer turns up at your house, let alone six. the protest— your house, let alone six. the prohterh here— your house, let alone six. the problem here is— your house, let alone six. the problem here is that the police are prioritising— problem here is that the police are prioritising investigating potehttot— are prioritising investigating potential hate— are prioritising investigating potential hate crimes and hegtest— potential hate crimes and neglect being— potential hate crimes and neglect being actual crimes. the pottse— neglect being actual crimes. the pottse rust— neglect being actual crimes. the police just don't— neglect being actual crimes. the police just don't know enough ohout— police just don't know enough ohout the— police just don't know enough about the legal— police just don't know enough about the legal protections in ptose— about the legal protections in ptose th— about the legal protections in ptose th thts— about the legal protections in place in this country for free speesh. — place in this country for free speesh. the— place in this country for free speech. the free— place in this country for free speech. the free speech union tous— speech. the free speech union tour pos— speech. the free speech union tour pos ott— speech. the free speech union faux pas all the— speech. the free speech union faux pas all the police forces in faux pas all the police forces th thgtoht— faux pas all the police forces in england and— faux pas all the police forces in england and wales. a couple of in england and wales. a couple ot weeks— in england and wales. a couple ot weehs ogo— in england and wales. a couple of weeks ago we— in england and wales. a couple of weeks ago we published our report.— of weeks ago we published our report. tt— of weeks ago we published our report. it turns— of weeks ago we published our report. it turns out that the owerwhetrh — report. it turns out that the overwhelm charming majority reserved—ot- overwhelm charming majority received—at all- received no training at all when it received no training at all when tt soes— received no training at all when tt sorheslthe— received no training at all when it comes-the free— received no training at all when it comes the free speech it comes to the free speech protections _ it comes to the free speech. protections _when protections incorporated. when the hurhoh— protections incorporated. when the human rights act incorporated the european convention— incorporated the european convention human rights , convention on human rights, arttste— convention on human rights, article-protects- convention on human rights, article protects free article ten protects free speesh. — article ten protects free speech. - are - article ten protects free speech. - are law speech. there are common law protesttohs— speech. there are common law protesttohs-tor- speech. there are common law protections for free protections in place for free speesh. — protections in place for free speech. - police - protections in place for free speech. police know nothing speech. the police know nothing ohout— speech. the police know nothing ohout-the— speech. the police know nothing about-the training- speech. the police know nothing about the training they about this all the training they receive - diversity- about this all the training they receive - diversity , - receive is about diversity, egutty— receive is about diversity, equity inclusion. protecting equity and inclusion. protecting the teetthgs— equity and inclusion. protecting the feelings of— equity and inclusion. protecting the feelings of various oppressed— the feelings of various oppressed minorities. so of they— oppressed minorities. so of course they waste their time

pursuthg— course they waste their time pursuing these— course they waste their time pursuing these vexatious sorhptothts— pursuing these vexatious complaints which are never going to resutt— complaints which are never going to resutt th— complaints which are never going to result in prosecution. we see it to result in prosecution. we see tt oer— to result in prosecution. we see tt ower-wer— to result in prosecution. we see it over-over again- to result in prosecution. we see it over over again and it over and over again and hegtest— it over and over again and neglect solving— it over and over again and neglect solving the basic crimes. this— neglect solving the basic crimes. this is- neglect solving the basic crimes. this is one of the reasons people- crimes. this is one of the reasons people are so fed up. tt-s— reasons people are so fed up. tt-s hot— reasons people are so fed up. it's not racist— reasons people are so fed up. it's not racist racism, pure and strhpte. — it's not racist racism, pure and strhpte. the— it's not racist racism, pure and simple. the reason- it's not racist racism, pure and simple. ’“ it's not racist racism, pure and simple. the reason is not racism. it's you think simple. ”elf it's you think the racism. it's you think the pottse— racism. it's you think the pottse ore— racism. it's you think the police are going- ”pi it's you think the police are going to secure these thts— police are going to secure these thts guy— police are going to secure these thts guy ts— police are going to secure these this guy is going— police are going to secure these this guy is going to be convicted— this guy is going to be convicted in- this guy is going to be convicted in a court of law for a— convicted in a court of law for racism. a racist.— convicted in a court of law for racism. ' ”pi “tig ”ti racism. a racist. they're a racist depiction of black people. should put in people. they should be put in the of history and the bin dustbin of history and these have been in these should have been put in these should have been put in the the police. but it's the bin by the police. but it's not a crime to display them in a pub. it's against the pub. it it's not against the law. being having having law. it being having having racist offensive dolls does which offend customers is actually, as you said , an actually, as you said, an offence under the public order act . there's a whole the, the act. there's a whole the, the intention of the pub landlord who lives in turkey is reasonably clear from his own social media. white lives matters set up for a lynching . matters set up for a lynching. all of these things go to go to one place and one place

entirely. the dolls the reason michelle that you called them. golly dolls is because the actual word is offensive . it's actual word is offensive. it's deeply racist and most british people have got friends , people people have got friends, people of colour have got members of their family, just like i have got friends and members of my family, people of colour who were deeply offended by this and are deeply upset, deeply uncomfortable. and it is right out that this is dealt with , is out that this is dealt with, is right that these are put in the dustbin of history. and there is absolutely no defence for displaying they love their displaying if they love their they have their they can have them in their house. no one cares but having them having them in them in there, having them in their is making statement their pub is making a statement about should be and who about who should be and who shouldn't be in pub . and that shouldn't be in a pub. and that is actually a matter of public policy. buti is actually a matter of public policy. but i mean that's quite a policy. but i mean that's quite o teop— policy. but i mean that's quite o teop. youe— tig but i mean that's quite a leap. you're suggesting that if a leap. you're suggesting that tt—ohe- a leap. you're suggesting that tt—ohe ot- a leap. you're suggesting that if_one of those. if someone got one of those tous— if someone got one of those totts whot— if someone got one of those dolls, what they're actually soythg — dolls, what they're actually soythg -o— dolls, what they're actually saying - a black - dolls, what they're actually saying-a black is saying is that a black person is not saying is that a black person is hot estoe— saying is that a black person is not welcome in— saying is that a black person is not welcome in that in the pub in not welcome in that in the pub th the— not welcome in that in the pub th the-wo— not welcome in that in the pub in the - no, .but- not welcome in that in the pub in the - no, .but he. not welcome in that in the pub. in the-no,-but he says in the pub, no, no. but he says thot— in the pub, no, no. but he says that people of colour drink in his pub all the time and have never complained about the dolls

being behind being displayed behind the bar. it's his intention send it's not his intention to send a signal potential customers signal to potential customers you're welcome and can. you're not welcome and he can. it's simple. can take them it's simple. he can take them out— it's simple. he can take them outlhts— it's simple. he can take them outlhts put.— it's simple. he can take them out-his pub. most- it's simple. he can take them out his pub. most people, out of his pub. most people, most— out of his pub. most people, most peopte— out of his pub. most people, most people - are - out of his pub. most people, most people are affected by most people who are affected by ooh-t— most people who are affected by racism don't shout— most people who are affected by racism don't shout out about it. ooh-t,— racism don't shout out about it. pong-gong,— racism don't shout out about it. don't,-don't, don't- don't, don't, don't, don't make a don't, don't, don't, don't make o-ohout— don't, don't, don't, don't make o-ohout tt— don't, don't, don't, don't make o-ohout tt .— don't, don't, don't, don't make a-about it . that's- don't, don't, don't, don't make a about it . that's the a fuss about it. that's the prohterh — a fuss about it. that's the problem about— a fuss about it. that's the problem about inequality . it's problem about inequality. it's a prophet— problem about inequality. it's a prohterh ohout— problem about inequality. it's a problem about racism is that peopte— problem about racism is that peopte howe— problem about racism is that people have their voice. people have lose their voice. they— people have lose their voice. they ooh-t— people have lose their voice. they don't make— people have lose their voice. they don't make complaints. they this they don't make complaints. they thts ts— they don't make complaints. they thts ts o— they don't make complaints. they this is a terrible,— they don't make complaints. they this is a terrible, terrible , this is a terrible, terrible, terrthte— this is a terrible, terrible, terrible thing— this is a terrible, terrible, terrible thing to do in the in the— terrible thing to do in the in the th— terrible thing to do in the in the th the— terrible thing to do in the in the in the 21st— terrible thing to do in the in the in the 21st century. dodi to be the in the 21st century. dodi to he tothg— the in the 21st century. dodi to he tothg thts.— the in the 21st century. dodi to he tothg thts. — the in the 21st century. dodi to be doing this. but— the in the 21st century. dodi to be doing this. l “tip be doing this. but it sounds like, john, what you're saying is you think it's the police job to protect people from being offended. i'm saying even if the offender isn't actually breaking the is that what you're the law is that what you're saying? no, it it this race otsptoythg— saying? no, it it this race displaying them- “q7” no, it it this race displaying them in the pub is tettherotety— displaying them in the pub is deliberately to— displaying them in the pub is deliberately to try to offend peopte— deliberately to try to offend peopte . — deliberately to try to offend peopte . t— deliberately to try to offend people . i think- deliberately to try to offend people . people. i think that's a leap. i don't think his intention was to cause harassment alarm or distress to potential customers. the who gets to decide someone's thtehttoh— the who gets to decide someone's thtehttoh th— the who gets to decide someone's intention in. well,— the who gets to decide someone's intention in. well, in— the who gets to decide someone's intention in. well, in the end tt-s— intention in. well, in the end tt-s the— intention in. well, in the end it's the courts— intention in. well, in the end it's the courts .— intention in. well, in the end it's the courts . i— intention in. well, in the end it's the courts . i think intention in. well, in the end it's the courts. i think in intention in. well, in the end it's the courts . i think in the it's the courts. i think in the end— it's the courts. i think in the end, t— it's the courts. i think in the end, t ththh— it's the courts. i think in the end, 1 think in— it's the courts. i think in the end, i think in get to court in

the— end, i think in get to court in the end— end, i think in get to court in the end tt-s— end, i think in get to court in the end it's the— end, i think in get to court in the end it's the courts but you know— the end it's the courts but you know tt-tt— the end it's the courts but you know tt-tt he— the end it's the courts but you know it'll be the _ the end it's the courts but you know it'll be the police. the pottse— know it'll be the police. the pottse th— know it'll be the police. the pottse to my— know it'll be the police. the police in my view, the police shoutt— police in my view, the police shoutt go— police in my view, the police shoutt go th— police in my view, the police should go in every day to that pub— should go in every day to that put—those. - should go in every day to that put—those. so- should go in every day to thati pub _those. so you pub and remove those. so you wont— pub and remove those. so you wont-rostst— pub and remove those. so you want-racist dolls- pub and remove those. so you want racist dolls until want those racist dolls until they-re— want those racist dolls until they-re ho— want those racist dolls until they're no longer displayed. so you— they're no longer displayed. so you ththh— they're no longer displayed. so you think that— they're no longer displayed. so you think that the situation as it you think that the situation as tt ts— you think that the situation as tt ts how— you think that the situation as tt ts th— you think that the situation as it is now in terms— you think that the situation as it is now in terms of crime and all it is now in terms of crime and oh the— it is now in terms of crime and oh the rest— it is now in terms of crime and all the rest of— it is now in terms of crime and all the rest of it,— it is now in terms of crime and all the rest of it, you think tt-s— all the rest of it, you think tt-s o— all the rest of it, you think tt-s o goot— all the rest of it, you think it's a good use— all the rest of it, you think it's a good use of police time? ttrstty— it's a good use of police time? ttrstty. thot— it's a good use of police time? firstly, that multiple— it's a good use of police time? firstly, that multiple officers turn up and confiscate those dolls and then you think it's an even better use of police time for go back every single for them to go back every single day it stops. but what if for them to go back every single dedoesn'tit stops. but what if for them to go back every single dedoesn't stop? s. but what if for them to go back every single dedoesn't stop? soiut what if for them to go back every single dedoesn't stop? so everytat if for them to go back every single dedoesn't stop? so every single it doesn't stop? so every single day, look, it would stop eventually. why? because the totts— eventually. why? because the totts rhtght— eventually. why? because the dolls might get— eventually. why? because the dolls might get lost- why? because the dolls might get lost police dolls might get lost in police sustoty. — dolls might get lost in police sustooy. hut— dolls might get lost in police custody. but if— dolls might get lost in police custody. but if they- dolls might get lost in police custody. �*" ”till custody. but if they felt they're not doing anything wrong and they and what toby's saying is they are something are doing something clearly wrong. well, something you otsopprowe— wrong. well, something you. disapprove—think disapprove of, but i don't think it's disapprove of, but i don't think hts-the— disapprove of, but i don't think tt-s-the tow.— disapprove of, but i don't think tt-s-the tow. - disapprove of, but i don't think it's-the law. so- disapprove of, but i don't think it's-the law. so the. it's against the law. so the pottse— it's against the law. so the pottse reotty— it's against the law. so the police really shouldn't be sending six officers around to this to up 15 dolls. why this pub to bag up 15 dolls. why doesit this pub to bag up 15 dolls. why does it take six officers? it's absolutely ludicrous. it's a complete waste police time complete waste of police time and should and resources. they should be stopping crimes, crimes are stopping crimes, crimes that are disproportionately affecting people colour in essex, just people of colour in essex, just like in other parts of the

entire police service in a massive crisis in its ability to investigate and prosecute crime . um, there's no doubt about hot.— . um, there's no doubt about hot t— . um, there's no doubt about hot t rheoh— . um, there's no doubt about that. i mean that— um, there's no doubt about that. i mean that is in the end a that. i mean that is in the end o hotter— that. i mean that is in the end o rhotter ot— that. i mean that is in the end a matter of the— that. i mean that is in the end a matter of the conservative gowerhrheh-st— a matter of the conservative government's systematic underfunding_ government's systematic underfunding of it. but in this you howe— underfunding of it. but in this case, you have to— underfunding of it. but in this case, you have to say i backed the— case, you have to say i backed the pottse. — case, you have to say i backed the pottse. t— case, you have to say i backed the police. i think— case, you have to say i backed the police. i think what the pottse— the police. i think what the pottse ott— the police. i think what the police did was— the police. i think what the police did was right and more power— police did was right and more power to— police did was right and more power to their— police did was right and more power to their elbow. ititt“pt t:tit power to their elbow. what do you— power to their elbow. what do you hohe— power to their elbow. what do you make to it at home? different opinions there. who do you or frankly , you agree with or frankly, neither do you think something completely different. get in touch let me know your touch with me. let me know your thoughts. gbnews.uk thoughts. gb views at gbnews.uk is address when i come is my email address when i come back, i got a very simple question for you so you can ponder it over the next couple of minutes. are you a parent, a grandparent, whatever? would you shop your child and your relative to the police for killing someone ? see you .

in two. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight, so be on.the through till 7:00 tonight, so be on. the director of free speech union is as john union is here, as is john mcternan, a political strategist. lots of you guys getting in touch. one of my viewers. i've lost your name. now but i think it was john. you just say michelle has lost her mind. she clearly hates the tories and that's why she's having a dig about the vaccine injured. what i would say about that don't be ridiculous . that is don't be so ridiculous. i care those people that i care about those people that chose to have a vaccine and then have just been ignored and called names and all the rest of it. if it was one of your family that had been affected, you'd be saying thank you to me. quite frankly, me, because those people have been treated appallingly. situation appallingly. the dole situation has divided guys massively, has divided you guys massively, ihave has divided you guys massively, i have to say, david says as a previous former police officer, how embarrassing and a massive waste of personnel to send 5 or 6 officers to remove dolls when if it was a serious crime, you'd

be lucky if one officer turned up . sadly, the police no longer up. sadly, the police no longer do the job that they're supposed to do, which is why perhaps the country is in one of the states that it is. i'll have some of your response. marie, your response in just a few minutes. but for now, listen to this . it but for now, listen to this. it really is goose pimples on my arms. take a listen . police arms. take a listen. police emergency. what's- l pti“ police emergency. what's your l pi“ police emergency. what's your location , ahhee — emergency. what's your location , ahhee ht. — emergency. what's your location ,ahhee ht. th— emergency. what's your location , anne? hi. i'm from- emergency. what's your location ,anne? okay emergency. what's your location , anne? okay . , anne? hi. i'm from. okay. whot-s— , anne? hi. i'm from. okay. what's happening- , anne? hi. i'm from. okay. what's happening ? - , anne? okay. what's happening ? ’“ , anne? okay. what's happening? , anne? hi. i'm from. okay.- what's happening ? uh, my son's what's happening? uh, my son's hust— what's happening? uh, my son's killed someone . okay all right. killed someone. okay all right. okay. can killed someone. okay all right. otoy. soh you— killed someone. okay all right. okay. can you tell— killed someone. okay all right. okay. can you tell me- t: 05th all right. okay. can you tell me where t: all right. okay. can you tell me where it ot— okay. can you tell me where it was at radstock_ okay. can you tell me where it was at radstock earlier . ti was at radstock earlier. he's rust— was at radstock earlier. he's rust some— was at radstock earlier. he's just come back. _ was at radstock earlier. he's just come back. i've just found out he's in my house now, but i can't just let him go anywhere . can't just let him go anywhere. does he know you're on the phone— does he know you're on the phones yeoh— does he know you're on the phone? yeah he's here. t: phone? yeah he's here. i've told hrh— phone? yeah he's here. i've told htm ttrs— phone? yeah he's here. i've told hot the get— phone? yeah he's here. i've told him i've got to do it. when- phone? yeah he's here. t: “ git c when you him i've got to do it. when you injured him i've got to do it. when you thruret thot— him i've got to do it. when you thrureo thot guy— him i've got to do it. when you injured that guy in— him i've got to do it. when you injured that guy in the- “ git c when you injured that guy in the red top, whot— injured that guy in the red top, whot hoppehet— injured that guy in the red top, what happened to the knife? if the the— what happened to the knife? if the the t— what happened to the knife? if the the t try— what happened to the knife? if the knife i try to— what happened to the knife? if the knife i try to stay away.

you— the knife i try to stay away. you chucked _ the knife i try to stay away. you chucked it— the knife i try to stay away. you chucked it . - the knife i try to stay away. you chucked it . you chucked it. honestly, that doesit you chucked it. honestly, that does it sends goose pimples . the does it sends goose pimples. the case if you're not familiar with it . that was the actual 999 call it. that was the actual 999 call that a mum made. her son, who was then eight teen, got involved in an altercation . some involved in an altercation. some of his friends were in a spot of bother and he went to assist and he rather foolishly, some would say, grabbed a knife and ended up killing a boy that was 16. he has been sentenced. now he got life with them. i think it was a minimum of 21 years. there was no winners in this case whatsoever. but it just got me wondering, are you a parent, john? yep. would you turn in your child under those circumstances ? yeah. would you, circumstances? yeah. would you, without hesitation in a murder is wrong . the thing actually, is wrong. the thing actually, ot— is wrong. the thing actually, ot the— is wrong. the thing actually, one of the parents- g the thing actually, one of the parents of the one of the toys— one of the parents of the one of the toys thot— one of the parents of the one of the boys that killed jamie hutger— the boys that killed jamie hutger, she— the boys that killed jamie bulger, she persuaded her son to sotess— bulger, she persuaded her son to sotess to— bulger, she persuaded her son to confess to that— bulger, she persuaded her son to confess to that murder. it was very— confess to that murder. it was very trhportoht. — confess to that murder. it was very important. she said she'd otwoys— very important. she said she'd otwoys towe—

very important. she said she'd always love her— very important. she said she'd always love her child. i would otwoys— always love her child. i would otwoys towe— always love her child. i would otwoys towe rhy— always love her child. i would always love my child. i always towe— always love my child. i always towe rhy— always love my child. i always towe my sons— always love my child. i always love my sons. but— always love my child. i always love my sons. but you. but you sohhot— love my sons. but you. but you cannot cover up— love my sons. but you. but you cannot cover up a— love my sons. but you. but you cannot cover up a crime like rhuretr. — cannot cover up a crime like rhuretr. aho— cannot cover up a crime like murder. and what you have to do is murder. and what you have to do ts report. — murder. and what you have to do ts report. you— murder. and what you have to do is report. you have— murder. and what you have to do is report. you have to you have to report— is report. you have to you have to report them— is report. you have to you have to report them in.— is report. you have to you have to report them in. you have to son— to report them in. you have to sott the— to report them in. you have to call the police. _ to report them in. you have to call the police. and you have to work— call the police. and you have to wort wtth— call the police. and you have to wort wtth your— call the police. and you have to work with your child. and with the system — work with your child. and with the system to— work with your child. and with the system to ensure that they are rehabilitated _ the system to ensure that they are rehabilitated because you howe— are rehabilitated because you hoye to— are rehabilitated because you hoye to get— are rehabilitated because you have to get punished for crime. hut— have to get punished for crime. hut we— have to get punished for crime. hut we howe— have to get punished for crime. but we have to— have to get punished for crime. but we have to have belief that peopte— but we have to have belief that peopte soh— but we have to have belief that peopte he— but we have to have belief that people can be rehabilitated . and people can be rehabilitated. and i people can be rehabilitated. and t tetthttety— people can be rehabilitated. and i definitely have— people can be rehabilitated. and i definitely have to have that hettet— i definitely have to have that belief about— i definitely have to have that belief about my— i definitely have to have that belief about my about my child. if belief about my about my child. tt thts— belief about my about my child. tt thts os— belief about my about my child. tt thts rhy— belief about my about my child. if this was my child, it would hreoh— if this was my child, it would hreoh rhy— if this was my child, it would break my heart,— if this was my child, it would break my heart, though. break ahsotutety. — break my heart, though. break absolutely. break my heart. yeoh. — absolutely. break my heart. yeoh. t— absolutely. break my heart. yeoh. t mem— absolutely. break my heart. yeah. i mean, just- absolutely. break my heart. y/tipt“ “ l pi“ “g absolutely. break my heart. yeah. i mean, just listening to that goosepimples, i mean, i don't the people don't know any of the people involved. i'm involved. obe yeah, well, i'm questionably woman did questionably what this woman did was right thing do. and i was the right thing to do. and i have for children, and- was the right thing to do. and i have for children, and i- have for children, and i hope if i have for children, and i hope if t — have for children, and i hope if ts tt— have for children, and i hope if ts tt t— have for children, and i hope if i was, if i suddenly found rhysett— i was, if i suddenly found rhysett th— i was, if i suddenly found myself in the— i was, if i suddenly found myself in the same situation , myself in the same situation, then— myself in the same situation, then to— myself in the same situation, then i'd well— myself in the same situation, then i'd well ,— myself in the same situation, then i'd well, i— myself in the same situation, then i'd well, i wouldn't i wont— then i'd well, i wouldn't i don't think— then i'd well, i wouldn't i don't think i'd— then i'd well, i wouldn't i don't think i'd call the police oho— don't think i'd call the police one get— don't think i'd call the police one get rhy— don't think i'd call the police one get my son— don't think i'd call the police and get my son to confess on the phone. — and get my son to confess on the phone. t— and get my son to confess on the phone. tththh— and get my son to confess on the phone. i think i'd— and get my son to confess on the phone. i think i'd try and persuote— phone. i think i'd try and persuooe rhy—

phone. i think i'd try and persuade my son if he was 18 to turn— persuade my son if he was 18 to turn htrhsett— persuade my son if he was 18 to turn himself in— persuade my son if he was 18 to turn himself in and— persuade my son if he was 18 to turn himself in and i'd hire a sottsttor— turn himself in and i'd hire a solicitor and— turn himself in and i'd hire a solicitor and the— turn himself in and i'd hire a solicitor and the solicitor woutt— solicitor and the solicitor woutt go— solicitor and the solicitor would go with- solicitor and the solicitor would go with him when he turned htrhsett— would go with him when he turned htrhsett th— would go with him when he turned himself in. you— would go with him when he turned himself in. you don't want your shit— himself in. you don't want your shttt to— himself in. you don't want your child to incriminate themselves, you know — child to incriminate themselves, you know, without— child to incriminate themselves, you know, without , you know, you know, without, you know, thtehtthg— you know, without, you know, thtehtthg to— you know, without, you know, intending to in— you know, without, you know, intending to in a— you know, without, you know, intending to in a conversation wtth— intending to in a conversation wtth o— intending to in a conversation wtth o eoe— intending to in a conversation with a 909 operator. but that's unquestionably— with a 909 operator. but that's unquestionably the right thing to to. — unquestionably the right thing to to. t— unquestionably the right thing to to. t suppose— unquestionably the right thing to do. i suppose the question is, to do. i suppose the question ts woutt— to do. i suppose the question ts woutt you— to do. i suppose the question is, would you do— to do. i suppose the question is, would you do it? would the towe — is, would you do it? would the towe you— is, would you do it? would the towe you howe— is, would you do it? would the love you have for— is, would you do it? would the love you have for your child woutt— love you have for your child woutt trump— love you have for your child would trump your sense of civic tutye— would trump your sense of civic tutye t— would trump your sense of civic outye t meow— would trump your sense of civic duty? i mean, was— would trump your sense of civic duty? i mean, was ian forster sott— duty? i mean, was ian forster sott thot— duty? i mean, was ian forster sott thot tt— duty? i mean, was ian forster said that it was— duty? i mean, was ian forster said that it was better to hetroy— said that it was better to hetroy your— said that it was better to betray your country than betray a betray your country than betray o trtehte— betray your country than betray a friend? i've— betray your country than betray a friend? i've always disapproved of that, and i otwoys— disapproved of that, and i always admired michael gove for ttghtthg— always admired michael gove for ttghtthglhrextt,— always admired michael gove for fighting brexit, even though fighting for brexit, even though it fighting for brexit, even though tt-testroythg— fighting for brexit, even though it-destroying his- it meant destroying his friendship— it meant destroying his friendship david cameron it meant destroying his- friendship-david cameron . friendship with david cameron. he friendship with david cameron. we-souhtry— friendship with david cameron. he _country before - friendship with david cameron. he country before his he put his country before his trteht— he put his country before his trteht .— he put his country before his trteht . hut— he put his country before his friend . but difficult. it's friend. but it's difficult. it's tttttsutt— friend. but it's difficult. it's difficult when _ friend. but it's difficult. it's difficult when you find yourself in-situation. _ difficult when you find yourself in-situation. .hope- in that situation. you hope you do in that situation. you hope you to-ththg,— in that situation. you hope you to-ththg, hut- in that situation. you hope you do _thing, but you- do the right thing, but you wont— do the right thing, but you ooh-t-yeoh- do the right thing, but you don't-yeah i- do the right thing, but you don't yeah i mean, do the right thing, but you- don't-yeah i mean, michael don't know. yeah i mean, michael soys— don't know. yeah i mean, michael soys-hrowe— don't know. yeah i mean, michael says,-brave woman. - don't know. yeah i mean, michael says, brave woman. says, what a brave woman. tell all says, what a brave woman. tell ott-pottse— says, what a brave woman. tell all-police about— says, what a brave woman. tell all-police about her- says, what a brave woman. tell all police about her doing all the police about her doing that. you know, stories like this for me, should use this for me, you should use these examples to young these as examples to young kids because people in the because so many people in the heat the moment, they are heat of the moment, they are wandering using wandering around and using knives and when you

knives. and often when you actually out the details of actually find out the details of the it was something the case, it was over. something so ridiculous and so ridiculous and silly. and then not only is the life of the victim gone, that's snubbed victim gone, that's been snubbed out life of the perpetrator, out the life of the perpetrator, who perhaps hasn't done this premeditated thing, so many in the heat of the moment, people have been hundreds of people affected problem. it's affected by this problem. it's just shame. you talk just such a shame. you talk ohout— just such a shame. you talk about rehabilitation, by the way, and you mentioned way, and then you mentioned those bulger murderers. those james bulger murderers. i mean, disgusting mean, those disgusting human beings. i don't think they should light of day should ever see the light of day again. those two people, all that tortured and murdered young james bulger. i don't even like to use those people in the same breath this anyway. breath as this lot. anyway. credit, suppose , to that credit, i suppose, to that mother of that kid. it was really hard to do so. and i think that has divided opinion with you guys. whether or not you'd be able to do it, it sounds good, but when push comes to shove, would you be able to? i'll leave you to ponder that one for the night. the dull topic has got you debating, i should put it mildly.

topic has got you debating, i should put it mildly . look, should put it mildly. look, chaps, that's all i've got. time for. thank you, everyone. i'll see you tomorrow. so, hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest broadcast from the met office. it is gradually going- from the met office. it is gradually going to- .tt�*~t.til cit” ti.ti it is gradually going to turn calmer the— gradually going to turn calmer over the course— gradually going to turn calmer over the course of— gradually going to turn calmer over the course of the next few toys— over the course of the next few toys thto— over the course of the next few toys thto the— over the course of the next few days into the weekend, but still strong— days into the weekend, but still some strong winds and heavy rain there— some strong winds and heavy rain there oer— some strong winds and heavy rain there the— some strong winds and heavy rain there over the next— some strong winds and heavy rain there over the next 24 hours. a storm— there over the next 24 hours. a storm nowhere— there over the next 24 hours. a storm nowhere slowly eases and moves away. another system moves southern— moves away. another system moves across southern areas— moves away. another system moves across southern areas on friday, hut— across southern areas on friday, hut theh— across southern areas on friday, hut theh thto— across southern areas on friday, but then into the— across southern areas on friday, but then into the weekend, we shoutt — but then into the weekend, we shoutt o— but then into the weekend, we should see a ridge of high pressure starting to build, ottowthg— pressure starting to build, ottowthg tt— pressure starting to build, allowing it to— pressure starting to build, allowing it to get warmer and tess— allowing it to get warmer and tess whey— allowing it to get warmer and less windy, too— allowing it to get warmer and less windy, too .— allowing it to get warmer and less windy, too . so out there, less windy, too. so out there, it less windy, too. so out there, tt ts— less windy, too. so out there, tt ts o— less windy, too. so out there, tt ts o whey— less windy, too. so out there, it is a windy evening to come. euthreohs— it is a windy evening to come. outbreaks of— it is a windy evening to come. outbreaks of showery rain, heavy at outbreaks of showery rain, heavy ot thes— outbreaks of showery rain, heavy ot ttrhes sorhe— outbreaks of showery rain, heavy at times, some snow over the htgh— at times, some snow over the htgh-osross- at times, some snow over the high across northern high ground across northern thgtoht—tol high ground across northern- england _to showers england and scotland to showers eosthg— england and scotland to showers easing overnight.— england and scotland to showers easing overnight. some clearer spetts— easing overnight. some clearer spells developing— easing overnight. some clearer spells developing staying quite htustery— spells developing staying quite htustery ,— spells developing staying quite blustery , though, allowing blustery, though, allowing temperatures— blustery, though, allowing - temperatures—above temperatures to hold up above treezthg. — temperatures to hold up above freezing. - still _ temperatures to hold up above freezing. .still on- temperatures to hold up above freezing. still on the freezing. but still on the shttty— freezing. but still on the chilly side,— freezing. but still on the chilly side, 2— freezing. but still on the chilly side, 2 or 3 degrees to stort— chilly side, 2 or 3 degrees to start thursday— chilly side, 2 or 3 degrees to start thursday morning. and the sorted— start thursday morning. and the rhtxet stow— start thursday morning. and the mixed start, cloudy across the northern— mixed start, cloudy across the northern half— mixed start, cloudy across the northern half of— mixed start, cloudy across the northern half of the uk. showery outhreohs— northern half of the uk. showery outbreaks-rain,— northern half of the uk. showery outbreaks rain, some sunshine outbreaks of rain, some sunshine in outbreaks of rain, some sunshine th the— outbreaks of rain, some sunshine th the south.— outbreaks of rain, some sunshine in the south. but— outbreaks of rain, some sunshine in the south. but as— outbreaks of rain, some sunshine in the south. but as we move through— in the south. but as we move through the— in the south. but as we move through the day,— in the south. but as we move through the day, it'll a case through the day, it'll be a case of

through the day, it'll be a case ot—suhhy- through the day, it'll be a case ot—suhhy spettsi of april showers. sunny spells oho— of april showers. sunny spells one some— of april showers. sunny spells oht ot— of april showers. sunny spells and some of the— of april showers. sunny spells and some of the showers will be heon— and some of the showers will be heon ot— and some of the showers will be heon ot-sorhe— and some of the showers will be heavy at-some hail- and some of the showers will be heavy at some hail and heavy at times. some hail and thunder— heavy at times. some hail and thunder staying— heavy at times. some hail and thunder staying blustery, but the-hot— thunder staying blustery, but the-hot os— thunder staying blustery, but the not as strong compared the winds not as strong compared to-toys— the winds not as strong compared to-toys hut— the winds not as strong compared to-toys hut o— the winds not as strong compared to-days, but a cold- to recent days, but a cold teetthg— to recent days, but a cold teetthg toy.— to recent days, but a cold feeling day. only highs of orouht— feeling day. only highs of orouht tz— feeling day. only highs of around 12 or— feeling day. only highs of around 12 or 13- feeling day. only highs of around 12 or 13 across the south—eost— around 12 or 13 across the south—east in— around 12 or 13 across the south—east in single figures the— south—east in single figures across the north— south—east in single figures across the north into thursday ewenhg— across the north into thursday evening. showers— across the north into thursday evening. showers continue, though— evening. showers continue, though they— evening. showers continue, though they tend to lose their thtehstty— though they tend to lose their thtehstty oho— though they tend to lose their intensity and will continue to see some clear— intensity and will continue to see some clear spells, cloud thtshehthg— see some clear spells, cloud thickening though during the eorty— thickening though during the eorty hours— thickening though during the early hours across the far southwest— early hours across the far southwest as— early hours across the far southwest as that next weather systerh — southwest as that next weather system approaches under the seoretr— system approaches under the clearer skies,— system approaches under the clearer skies, it— system approaches under the clearer skies, it will turn gutte— clearer skies, it will turn gutte shttty— clearer skies, it will turn quite chilly once again to start trttoy— quite chilly once again to start friday morning.— quite chilly once again to start friday morning. temperatures low sthgte— friday morning. temperatures low sthgte ttgures— friday morning. temperatures low sthgte ttgures ,— friday morning. temperatures low single figures , perhaps a touch single figures, perhaps a touch of single figures, perhaps a touch ot gross— single figures, perhaps a touch ot gross most— single figures, perhaps a touch of grass, frost for— single figures, perhaps a touch of grass, frost for 1 or 2 as we go through— of grass, frost for 1 or 2 as we go through the— of grass, frost for 1 or 2 as we go through the day on friday. wett— go through the day on friday. we-tt — go through the day on friday. we'll see. southern parts of the uk turhthg— we'll see. southern parts of the uk turning increasingly cloudy. wett— uk turning increasingly cloudy. we-tt see— uk turning increasingly cloudy. we'll see some— uk turning increasingly cloudy. we'll see some showery outbreaks of we'll see some showery outbreaks ot roth— we'll see some showery outbreaks ot pushthg— we'll see some showery outbreaks of rain pushing east— we'll see some showery outbreaks of rain pushing east brighter, turther— of rain pushing east brighter, further north,— of rain pushing east brighter, further north, scotland, northern— further north, scotland, northern northern northern ireland, northern thgtoht— northern ireland, northern l thgtoht—ot england seeing a mixture of sunny— england seeing a mixture of sunny spetts— england seeing a mixture of sunny spells and showers . sunny spells and showers. showers— sunny spells and showers. showers-os- sunny spells and showers.| showers-as heavy sunny spells and showers.- showers-as heavy as showers not quite as heavy as reset— showers not quite as heavy as reset toys.— showers not quite as heavy as recent days. and— showers not quite as heavy as recent days. and temperatures are recent days. and temperatures ore-hoher— recent days. and temperatures are-higher. but- are a little higher. but the good— are a little higher. but the good-ts— are a little higher. but the goot-ts thto- are a little higher. but the good is into the weekend, good news is into the weekend, it good news is into the weekend, tt shoutt— good news is into the weekend, it should become— good news is into the weekend, it should become largely dry and the temperatures— it should become largely dry and 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away . away. as i awoy- as president awoy— as president biden otwoy— as president biden makes a awoy. — as president biden makes a very sursory— as president biden makes a very sursory wstt— as president biden makes a very susory wstt to— as president biden makes a very cursory visit to the _ as president biden makes a very cursory visit to the united ythgtorw— cursory visit to the united kingdom, we'll- cursory visit to the united kingdom, we'll ask, does the spestot— kingdom, we'll ask, does the special relationship really extste — special relationship really exist? we'll— special relationship really exist? �*tpytti cc special relationship really exist? cc exist? we'll have a look at prince harry. yes, he's coming, but meghan's not to the coronation. in just a few weeks time, a partial win, a little win, a first hurdle for those against ulez extension. i'll also be talking to a campaign donor who wants to disrupt my day at the grand national this saturday. i'll attempt to find out why. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst .