coming up tonight , the royal coming up tonight, the royal college of nursing have confirmed that its members have rejected their 5% pay offer, of course, including . additionally course, including. additionally as well, a bonus. course, including. additionally as well, a bonus . what do you as well, a bonus. what do you make to that? it basically means strikes will happen again . or is strikes will happen again. or is that the right decision? are they simply holding out for their worth or are they being greedy? your thoughts on that and in this country? 5 million of us apparently have diabetes, 90, thereabouts, of which is type two, which many blame on lifestyle. some people are

saying the government needs to step in and do more. do they or do we have to take responsibility motty more for ourselves and gambling. let's cut to the chase , shall we? is cut to the chase, shall we? is it time that we just basically outlaw all advertising of gambling because some people can't control themselves? your thoughts and take a listen to this. something to say about may's local elections . the dog may's local elections. the dog spitting bars— may's local elections. the dog spitting bars about— f f the dog spitting bars about voter id selection.— spitting bars about voter id selection. so— spitting bars about voter id selection. so make sure you bring— selection. so make sure you bring ii— selection. so make sure you bring i on— selection. so make sure you bring it or you'll— selection. so make sure you bring it or you'll receive nieciion— bring it or you'll receive nieciion .— bring it or you'll receive rejection . kyiv rejection. rejection. kyiv rejection. neg-nann— rejection. kyiv rejection. rejection listening and not nnicning. — rejection listening and not watching. you— rejection listening and not watching. /i:::i. : f watching. you should celebrate because your eyes just swerved . because your eyes just swerved. something that is, quite frankly, in embarrassing. i'll be showing that full clip a little bit later on in the programme, but basically it's quite an oldish guy rapping his way through , encouraging us to way through, encouraging us to get some id to remember to vote in may's general elections . in may's general elections. voter id are you in favour of it or not? your thoughts on all of that? and tonight we'll be

keeping me company. ben habib and the former deputy leader of the labour party, tom watson. i'm looking forward to that. but before we get into it, let's bnng before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's headlines with tonight's latest headlines with the that is polly the legend that is polly middlehurst . middlehurst. michel, middlehurst. i l michel, thank middlehurst. - . michel, thank you middlehurst. _ i michel, thank you and iiiiiienuisi. — - michel, thank you and good . michel, thank you and good evening— - michel, thank you and good evening in— - michel, thank you and good evening to_story. evening to you. our top story ionigni—iieiil evening to you. our top story tonight—well, as| tonight on gb news well, as iiicnei— tonight on gb news well, as iiicnei nas— tonight on gb news well, as michel was bringing you up to inn— michel was bringing you up to inn-yon— michel was bringing you up to date -you heard - michel was bringing you up to date you heard nurses date there, you heard nurses niii— date there, you heard nurses niii singe— date there, you heard nurses will stage another round of nines— will stage another round of strikes rejecting a pay strikes after rejecting a pay onen— strikes after rejecting a pay offer from — strikes after rejecting a pay offer from the _ strikes after rejecting a pay offer from the government. the royal— offer from the government. the royal coiiege— offer from the government. the royal college of— offer from the government. the royal college of nursing members noni— royal college of nursing members voted—onen— royal college of nursing members voted _offer of- royal college of nursing members voted _offer of a- voted to reject the offer of a sin— voted to reject the offer of a in pav— voted to reject the offer of a in pay ine— voted to reject the offer of a 5% pay rise this— voted to reject the offer of a 5% pay rise this year , as well 5% pay rise this year, as well as n cann— 5% pay rise this year, as well as a cash payment for last year. ine— as a cash payment for last year. inn anion— as a cash payment for last year. the action running— as a cash payment for last year. the action running from 8 pm. on ine— the action running from 8 pm. on inn evening— the action running from 8 pm. on the evening of— the action running from 8 pm. on the evening of the 30th of anni— on the evening of the 30th of anni niii— on the evening of the 30th of april, will last— on the evening of the 30th of april, will last for 48 hours ani— april, will last for 48 hours and ion— april, will last for 48 hours and ion ine— april, will last for 48 hours and for the first— april, will last for 48 hours and for the first time it'll inning— and for the first time it'll involve nurses- and for the first time it'll involve nurses working in emergency— involve nurses working in emergency departments, intensive ani— emergency departments, intensive care and cancer care— emergency departments, intensive care and cancer care . it follows care and cancer care. it follows an nanni— care and cancer care. it follows an earlier announcement by men— an earlier announcement by unison that— an earlier announcement by unison that its— an earlier announcement by unison that its nhs members had

ovenineiningiy— unison that its nhs members had overwhelmingly accepted the same otter. — overwhelmingly accepted the same titer. in— overwhelmingly accepted the same offer. pd patrick— overwhelmingly accepted the same offer. pd patrick nurse olivia itineeniii— offer. pd patrick nurse olivia princewill told _ offer. pd patrick nurse olivia princewill told gb news she tninte— princewill told gb news she tninte tie— princewill told gb news she thinks the government could have made— thinks the government could have made t— thinks the government could have made t tettet— thinks the government could have made a better offer— thinks the government could have made a better offer in junior tecton— made a better offer in junior doctors worked— made a better offer in junior doctors worked for incredibly tong— doctors worked for incredibly tong nonn— doctors worked for incredibly long hours, so— doctors worked for incredibly long hours, so the nurses in conditione— long hours, so the nurses in conditions that— long hours, so the nurses in conditions that are absolutely titiotiote— conditions that are absolutely ridiculous to— conditions that are absolutely ridiculous to them come to work ont— ridiculous to them come to work and ne— ridiculous to them come to work and be nappy— ridiculous to them come to work and be nappy witn— ridiculous to them come to work and be happy with the job. okavi— and be happy with the job. okayi tint-s— and be happy with the job. okay, that's not— and be happy with the job. okay, that's not even- and be happy with the job. okay, that's not even safe for the patient. so what we're trying to do here, and i believe that's what everyone is trying to achieve, is come to a situation where there is a sort of agreement between us nurses, situation where there is a sort of ajuniorent between us nurses, situation where there is a sort of ajunior doctorsveen us nurses, situation where there is a sort of ajunior doctors and us nurses, situation where there is a sort of ajunior doctors and also urses, situation where there is a sort of ajunior doctors and also theis, the junior doctors and also the government to feel like when you're going to work, you're safe . a mother and a father have safe. a mother and a father have teen— safe. a mother and a father have been tonne— safe. a mother and a father have been found guilty— safe. a mother and a father have been found guilty of— a mother and a father have been found guilty of murdering tneit— been found guilty of murdering tneit tony— been found guilty of murdering their baby son— been found guilty of murdering their baby son on— been found guilty of murdering their baby son on christmas day . steinen— their baby son on christmas day . stephen boden_ their baby son on christmas day . stephen boden and shannon monten— . stephen boden and shannon marsden inflicted repeated acts of severe violence— marsden inflicted repeated acts of severe violence on their ten nontn— of severe violence on their ten nontn ott— of severe violence on their ten month old baby— of severe violence on their ten month old baby boy. finley 71 none— month old baby boy. finley 71 tnnieee ont— month old baby boy. finley 71 bruises and 57— month old baby boy. finley 71 bruises and 57 fractures were tonne— bruises and 57 fractures were tonnt on— bruises and 57 fractures were tonnt on nie— bruises and 57 fractures were found on his body . finley had found on his body. finley had only— found on his body. finley had only teen— found on his body. finley had only been placed— found on his body. finley had only been placed back in their tot— only been placed back in their tot ee— only been placed back in their care for 39 days— only been placed back in their care for 39 days before he was titted— care for 39 days before he was tittet ,— care for 39 days before he was killed , despite _ care for 39 days before he was

killed , despite social workers killed, despite social workers toting— killed, despite social workers oeting tot— killed, despite social workers oeting tot o— killed, despite social workers asking for a longer transition period,— asking for a longer transition pegog tie— asking for a longer transition period, the child safeguarding itevien— period, the child safeguarding itevien noe— period, the child safeguarding review has now— period, the child safeguarding review has now been launched. detective— review has now been launched. detective inspector paul bullock etio— detective inspector paul bullock eoit tne— detective inspector paul bullock said the injuries— detective inspector paul bullock said the injuries inflicted on tiniey— said the injuries inflicted on tintey were— said the injuries inflicted on finley were the _ said the injuries inflicted on finley were the worst he'd seen . as— finley were the worst he'd seen . as t— finley were the worst he'd seen . its t potent.— finley were the worst he'd seen . as a parent, you— finley were the worst he'd seen . as a parent, you have- finley were the worst he'd seen . as a parent, you have no greater responsibility than to a child who is in your care. but boden and marsden could not even bnng boden and marsden could not even bring themselves to take paul finley to hospital when it was totally clear that he was critically ill . they'd never critically ill. they'd never given a reasonable explanation as to why they did not do this. but it appears abundantly clear that their primary concern was their own freedom and not the life of finley to do. serving met life of finley to do. serving net totioe— life of finley to do. serving met police officers- l i:i:::i serving met police officers have been tienieeet— met police officers have been dismissed over— met police officers have been dismissed over discriminatory g tney— dismissed over discriminatory messages they sent to colleagues in o— messages they sent to colleagues in o wnoteitnt— messages they sent to colleagues in a whatsapp group, including otott— in a whatsapp group, including some about katie— in a whatsapp group, including some about katie price's tieottet— some about katie price's disabled son,— some about katie price's disabled son, harvey, a gross nieoontnot— disabled son, harvey, a gross misconduct hearing also found onotnet— misconduct hearing also found onotnet eit— misconduct hearing also found another six former officers nonto— another six former officers nontt nove— another six former officers would have been dismissed nitnott— would have been dismissed without notice _ would have been dismissed without notice if they'd still teen— without notice if they'd still been eening— without notice if they'd still been serving. speaking on behalf of been serving. speaking on behalf ot tne—

been serving. speaking on behalf ot tne tone— been serving. speaking on behalf of the force, commander john entitie— of the force, commander john saville apologised to the price tonin— saville apologised to the price tonity, eoying— saville apologised to the price family, saying he'd been neonieet— family, saying he'd been repulsed and— family, saying he'd been repulsed and ashamed . now, repulsed and ashamed. now, nitnin— repulsed and ashamed. now, nitnin tne— repulsed and ashamed. now, within the last— repulsed and ashamed. now, within the last hour , french within the last hour, french ionnoten— within the last hour, french lawmakers have voted in favour of lawmakers have voted in favour ot nieing— lawmakers have voted in favour ot nieing tne— lawmakers have voted in favour of raising the pension age from 62 of raising the pension age from oz to— of raising the pension age from oz to en.— of raising the pension age from oz to on mon— of raising the pension age from 62 to 64. more people are gotneting— 62 to 64. more people are gotnenng in— 62 to 64. more people are gathering in front of paris city noti— gathering in front of paris city noii tignt— gathering in front of paris city hall right now— gathering in front of paris city hall right now to— gathering in front of paris city hall right now to protest the goent-e— hall right now to protest the government's decision. president iinnn-e oeneion— government's decision. president macron's pension reform ttiggetet— macron's pension reform triggered weeks of protests tignt— triggered weeks of protests tignt ntoee— triggered weeks of protests right across the country . and right across the country. and tne— right across the country. and tne ne— right across the country. and the new legislation, which was given— the new legislation, which was given tne— the new legislation, which was given tne go— the new legislation, which was given the go ahead by france's constitutional— given the go ahead by france's constitutional council today , constitutional council today, viii— constitutional council today, viii te— constitutional council today, will be implemented from the 1st of will be implemented from the 1st ot septenten — will be implemented from the 1st of september. here, a student on— of september. here, a student vvno tntevv— of september. here, a student vvno tntevv egge— of september. here, a student who threw eggs at the king has teen— who threw eggs at the king has been tonne— who threw eggs at the king has been found guilty— who threw eggs at the king has been found guilty of threatening tenovionn — been found guilty of threatening tenovionn ze— been found guilty of threatening behaviour. 23 year— been found guilty of threatening behaviour. 23 year old patrick ineivveit— behaviour. 23 year old patrick thelwell through at least five eggs— thelwell through at least five egge ot— thelwell through at least five egge ot tne— thelwell through at least five eggs at the monarch during a vieit— eggs at the monarch during a visit to— eggs at the monarch during a visit to vort— eggs at the monarch during a visit to york minster in november— visit to york minster in november last year. he pleaded not guiltvv— november last year. he pleaded not guilty, arguing he acted in en— not guilty, arguing he acted in eeit ogoinet— not guilty, arguing he acted in self against what he called the viotenoe— self against what he called the violence carried— self against what he called the violence carried out by the onion— violence carried out by the british state— violence carried out by the british state ._ violence carried out by the british state . the judge british state. the judge sentenced— british state. the judge sentenced thelwell to a 12 month

oonnnnitv— sentenced thelwell to a 12 month community order— sentenced thelwell to a 12 month community order with 100 hours of community order with 100 hours ot unnoti— community order with 100 hours ot tngoit nont— community order with 100 hours of unpaid work to— community order with 100 hours of unpaid work to do so. meanwhile,— of unpaid work to do so. meanwhile, the king has been eoeoting— meanwhile, the king has been egeoting ot— meanwhile, the king has been speaking of his— meanwhile, the king has been speaking of his pride that he noe— speaking of his pride that he no in— speaking of his pride that he no in nie— speaking of his pride that he has in his two— speaking of his pride that he has in his two sons, as he oteetvet— has in his two sons, as he observed military cadets at oontnnnt— observed military cadets at sandhurst royal military academy this afternoon— sandhurst royal military academy this afternoon ._ sandhurst royal military academy this afternoon . it— sandhurst royal military academy this afternoon . it was the this afternoon. it was the monarch's first- this afternoon. it was the monarch's first visit to the ponie— monarch's first visit to the genie oe— monarch's first visit to the parade as king.- monarch's first visit to the parade as king. during a speech, he parade as king. during a speech, ne etio— parade as king. during a speech, ne eoit ne— parade as king. during a speech, he said he stood— parade as king. during a speech, he said he stood as— parade as king. during a speech, he said he stood as a father of two— he said he stood as a father of two otnnni— he said he stood as a father of two alumni of— he said he stood as a father of two alumni of the— he said he stood as a father of two alumni of the academy , two alumni of the academy, mentioning— two alumni of the academy, mentioning the— two alumni of the academy, mentioning the immense pride the prince— mentioning the immense pride the prince nonto— mentioning the immense pride the princes would be _ mentioning the immense pride the princes would be feeling . the princes would be feeling. the king— princes would be feeling. the king oieo— princes would be feeling. the king also praised— princes would be feeling. the king also praised the uk's role as king also praised the uk's role to o teoting— king also praised the uk's role as a leading nation in delivering— as a leading nation in delivering training, equipment and advice— delivering training, equipment and advice to— delivering training, equipment and advice to ukraine. now a european— and advice to ukraine. now a european rocket— and advice to ukraine. now a european rocket is on its way to invite— european rocket is on its way to inpitet tot— european rocket is on its way to innitet to point— european rocket is on its way to jupiter for point 1— european rocket is on its way to jupiter for point 1 billion nitee— jupiter for point 1 billion nitee ovov— jupiter for point 1 billion miles away to- jupiter for point 1 billion miles away to explore whether or not it— miles away to explore whether or not it etnnotte— miles away to explore whether or not it supports life— miles away to explore whether or not it supports life ._ miles away to explore whether or not it supports life . it's going not it supports life. it's going to tone— not it supports life. it's going to tote oe— not it supports life. it's going to take more than eight years for to take more than eight years tot tne— to take more than eight years tot tne eiv— to take more than eight years for the six tonne— to take more than eight years for the six tonne space craft ooiiet— for the six tonne space craft ooiiet inne— for the six tonne space craft called juice to— for the six tonne space craft called juice to get there. it's tnen— called juice to get there. it's tnen going— called juice to get there. it's tnen going to— called juice to get there. it's then going to spend around three vette— then going to spend around three veon ueing— then going to spend around three years using instruments to inveetigote— years using instruments to investigate whether the planet's tntee— investigate whether the planet's tntee noone— investigate whether the planet's three moons can— investigate whether the planet's three moons can support life in

its three moons can support life in ite oooene— three moons can support life in ite in— three moons can support life in ite in o— three moons can support life in its oceans. in a £14— three moons can support life in its oceans. in a £14 billion nieeion— its oceans. in a £14 billion it— its oceans. in a £14 billion mission. if all— its oceans. in a £14 billion mission. if all goes well, juice enonit— mission. if all goes well, juice should reach— mission. if all goes well, juice should reach jupiter by july . should reach jupiter by july. zoo.— should reach jupiter by july. zoei. en— should reach jupiter by july. zoei. on iv— should reach jupiter by july. zoei. on iv ,_ should reach jupiter by july. 2031. on tv , online dab+ radio 2031. on tv, online dab+ radio ont— 2031. on tv, online dab+ radio and on— 2031. on tv, online dab+ radio and on tne— 2031. on tv, online dab+ radio and on the tuneln_ 2031. on tv, online dab+ radio and on the tunein app. this is gb and on the tunein app. this is on neve— and on the tunein app. this is gb news, britain's news . gb news, britain's news. channel lintnte— gb news, britain's news. channel l intnte tot— gb news, britain's news. channel i thanks for that,— gb news, britain's news. channel - thanks for that, polly. - gb news, britain's news. channel - thanks fdewberryally. - gb news, britain's news. channel - thanks fdewberryally. j i'm . i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping right keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight on this friday mentioned this friday night. i mentioned friday because some of you might be . get to out and be desperate. get to get out and go the pub but worry not go to the pub but worry not because if you're sitting there looking the time going oh, looking at the time going oh, beer on michelle, beer on michelle, do both. you michelle, you can do both. you can take with on your can take me with you on your radio haven't tried radio if you haven't tried it yet. dab+ just simply yet. dab+ we're on. just simply for search gb news you don't have to miss a thing keeping me company through till 7:00. company right through till 7:00. whether house, whether that's at your house, your dread think

your pub or i dread to think where habib, ceo of where ben habib, the ceo of first property group and a member of the reform party and a new face. we like those, don't we? tom the former we? tom watson, the former deputy the labour deputy leader of the labour party. very welcome. party. you're very welcome. tonight be here, tonight lovely to be here, michel. see he michel. good. let's see if he still says at the end of still says that at the end of the programme. him that the programme. i'll ask him that exact question. i want you to get with me tonight, as get in touch with me tonight, as per usual. what's on your mind? gb at gbnews.uk gb views at gbnews.uk is my email twitter ? gb news or at email or twitter? gb news or at michel jubes. now before i get into some of the top stories today, i do have to talk to you for just a second. if you will indulge me, because yet again, when we have received details of another child that has been murdered by his parents, i mean, ihave murdered by his parents, i mean, i have to say, this channel is what, two years old? i have lost count now of how many of these i have had to do the child in question now is ten month old little boy, finley burden is his name. he was murdered by his parents on christmas day in lockdown , 2020, just 39 days

lockdown, 2020, just 39 days after social services returned him to the very parents that killed him. and when i say killed him. and when i say killed him. and when i say killed him to be absolutely clear, 71 bruises is 57 fractures and multiple burns, including burns that were given delivered by a cigarette lighter . you guessed it, social services were involved with this family a few weeks ago. you may remember lola james, aged two, had 101 injuries that were akin and i quote, to a high speed car crash. you guessed it, social services. again involved. you may remember star hobson, the little one year old again murdered by those people supposed to love and protect her, you guessed it, social services involved filbinger hughes, age six. you'll recall that one again murdered by those supposed to love and protect him. and again, social services at logan mwangi , age five. again at logan mwangi, age five. again do you see the pattern here?

murdered by those supposed to love and protect him? and you guessed it again. social services were involved. now i am sick and tired and i say this as a mum and perhaps i will reflect many decent viewers out there watching and listening . i am watching and listening. i am sickened, appalled and deeply saddened by these cases, and i am appalled by the failings of social services and those services that are failing these children. it is not enough to sit there and say lessons will be learned and we will look on this and make changes. it is not enough. this and make changes. it is not enough . how many more children enough. how many more children will be murdered before real changes are put in place? what would those changes be? we need real national conversation about this now . i would argue that this now. i would argue that actually if these people, these workers that are supposed to protect children do not and those children are murdered, why not? look at criminal prosecutions for those people that have failed those children ? as murderers ? as for the murderers themselves, i don't even want to call parents because call them parents because they're not. they're sicken me.

they're good enough have they're not. they're sicken me. theyname. good enough have they're not. they're sicken me. theyname. i|ood enough have they're not. they're sicken me. theyname. i would iough have they're not. they're sicken me. theyname. i would actually have they're not. they're sicken me. theyname. i would actually look that name. i would actually look at them, making sure at sterilising them, making sure they create they can never, ever create children again. what do you think? what is the answer ? how think? what is the answer? how on earth do we stop this ? how on on earth do we stop this? how on earth i manage sit here earth do i manage to sit here and never again have to mention another child has been another child that has been killed ? and your thoughts? ben killed? and your thoughts? ben habib well, i completely agree with your sentiment. i mean, this is a heinous— with your sentiment. i mean, this is a heinous crime,- " i mean, this is a heinous crime, um, ogoinet— this is a heinous crime, um, ogoinet o— this is a heinous crime, um, against a vulnerable indigenous oeonie— against a vulnerable indigenous peoplev o— against a vulnerable indigenous peoplev o nonv— against a vulnerable indigenous people, a baby that can't begin to detent— people, a baby that can't begin to defend itself.— people, a baby that can't begin to defend itself. it's absolutely- to defend itself. it's absolutely shocking. i think got— absolutely shocking. i think got to— absolutely shocking. i think we've got to be— absolutely shocking. i think we've got to be careful, though, to note— we've got to be careful, though, to note goinv— we've got to be careful, though, to make policy on— we've got to be careful, though, to make policy on the hoof, if you— to make policy on the hoof, if you tine.— to make policy on the hoof, if you tite- ant— to make policy on the hoof, if you like. and without wishing to tininien— you like. and without wishing to tininien tne— you like. and without wishing to diminish the disgusting nature diminiin the disgusting nature of diminish the disgusting nature ot vvnot— diminish the disgusting nature of what happened . you know, of what happened. you know, eooioi— of what happened. you know, social services— of what happened. you know, social services here, i think tet— social services here, i think were let down— social services here, i think were let down by the judicial ont— were let down by the judicial and iv— were let down by the judicial and iv tne— were let down by the judicial and by the judiciary because eooioi— and by the judiciary because social services— and by the judiciary because social services were quite early on onto— social services were quite early on onto tneee— social services were quite early on onto these parents. in fact, intone— on onto these parents. in fact, even before the— on onto these parents. in fact, even before the baby was born, tnev— even before the baby was born, they recognised— even before the baby was born, they recognised these parents noee— they recognised these parents noee o— they recognised these parents ooee o tnteot— they recognised these parents pose a threat to— they recognised these parents pose a threat to the baby and tnev— pose a threat to the baby and they confiscated _ pose a threat to the baby and they confiscated the baby, i tnint— they confiscated the baby, i think three _ they confiscated the baby, i think three days after it was tonn— think three days after it was

torn out— think three days after it was torn out it— think three days after it was born. but it was— think three days after it was born. but it was a judicial in— born. but it was a judicial review in october 2020 that ttongnt— review in october 2020 that ttotgnt tne— review in october 2020 that brought the baby back to the patente— brought the baby back to the potente ont— brought the baby back to the parents and as— brought the baby back to the parents and as you say, 39 days inten— parents and as you say, 39 days ioten vot— parents and as you say, 39 days later, you know,— parents and as you say, 39 days later, you know, the baby was tittet — later, you know, the baby was tittet in— later, you know, the baby was tittet in o— later, you know, the baby was killed in a really— later, you know, the baby was killed in a really most gruesome wav— killed in a really most gruesome vvov .— killed in a really most gruesome vvov . ant— killed in a really most gruesome vvov . ant tne— killed in a really most gruesome way . and the fault, i suppose, way. and the fault, i suppose, of way. and the fault, i suppose, ot eooioi— way. and the fault, i suppose, of social services,— way. and the fault, i suppose, of social services, to the extent— of social services, to the extent that _ of social services, to the extent that they were at fault, in— extent that they were at fault, in not— extent that they were at fault, was in that 39— extent that they were at fault, was in that 39 day period when tnev— was in that 39 day period when tnev titn-t— was in that 39 day period when they didn't keep— was in that 39 day period when they didn't keep an eye on what they didn't keep an eye on what tne patente— they didn't keep an eye on what the parents were _ they didn't keep an eye on what the parents were up to. and you nignt— the parents were up to. and you nignt neo— the parents were up to. and you might also also— the parents were up to. and you might also also draw some itenenoet— might also also draw some inference about— might also also draw some inference about lockdowns here. you know,— inference about lockdowns here. you know, i— inference about lockdowns here. you know, i don't— inference about lockdowns here. you know, i don't know whether toottovne— you know, i don't know whether lockdowns had _ you know, i don't know whether lockdowns had a— you know, i don't know whether lockdowns had a part to play in eooiot— lockdowns had a part to play in social services,— lockdowns had a part to play in social services, not— lockdowns had a part to play in social services, not fulfilling, tniiv— social services, not fulfilling, fully fulfilling _ social services, not fulfilling, fully fulfilling their function, tnititting— fully fulfilling their function, fulfilling its— fully fulfilling their function, fulfilling its function but the tning— fulfilling its function but the tning i— fulfilling its function but the one thing i would like to say, you— one thing i would like to say, you know,— one thing i would like to say, you know, we've— one thing i would like to say, you know, we've got to be quite oonetni— you know, we've got to be quite oonetni on— you know, we've got to be quite careful on attributing noninv— careful on attributing liability, because if you do note— liability, because if you do note it— liability, because if you do make it potentially a criminal offence— make it potentially a criminal offence - services, i make it potentially a criminal offence services, not offence for social services, not going— offence for social services, not doing tnein— offence for social services, not toing tnein iot— offence for social services, not doing their job properly, you nignt— doing their job properly, you nignt tint— doing their job properly, you might find that— doing their job properly, you might find that you have an evonontion— might find that you have an evaporation of— might find that you have an evaporation of people who want to-ot— evaporation of people who want to-ot eooioi— evaporation of people who want to of social services to be part of social services ont— to be part of social services and vot— to be part of social services and you almost— to be part of social services and you almost create a bigger nnotien— and you almost create a bigger nnoiten . — and you almost create a bigger nnotten . on— and you almost create a bigger problem . or you— and you almost create a bigger problem . o” g and you almost create a bigger problem . o" g �*" 3 and you almost create a bigger problem . g �*" i: problem. or you might find that you get people actually you get people that are actually terrified consequences terrified of the consequences and their job and therefore do their job properly . watson do you

properly. tom watson what do you make all? well, i mean, make of it all? well, i mean, tnen— make of it all? well, i mean, tnene ne— make of it all? well, i mean, tnene venv— make of it all? well, i mean, there are very few— e 7 well, i mean, there are very few things c17 well, i mean, there are very few things that note— there are very few things that note ne— there are very few things that make me so angry that i almost nont— make me so angry that i almost vent to— make me so angry that i almost vent to nit— make me so angry that i almost want to hit someone. but otvioneiv— want to hit someone. but obviously these terrible cases is obviously these terrible cases ie ne— obviously these terrible cases ie tne— obviously these terrible cases is are the worst— obviously these terrible cases is are the worst ever at the neon— is are the worst ever at the neon ot— is are the worst ever at the heart of this— is are the worst ever at the heart of this is— is are the worst ever at the heart of this is parental evil. ant— heart of this is parental evil. ant tnen— heart of this is parental evil. and there are— heart of this is parental evil. and there are just some evil neonie— and there are just some evil neonte in— and there are just some evil neonte in tne— and there are just some evil people in the world. but ben is nignt— people in the world. but ben is nignt tnot— people in the world. but ben is nignt tnot ton— people in the world. but ben is right that for every failing in a right that for every failing in o eooiot— right that for every failing in o eooioi in— right that for every failing in a social in a— right that for every failing in a social in a social service eetting— a social in a social service eetting, tnen— a social in a social service setting, there are many thousands— setting, there are many thousands of- setting, there are many thousands of cases that are tent— thousands of cases that are teott witn— thousands of cases that are dealt with appropriately. all tneee— dealt with appropriately. all these cases— dealt with appropriately. all these cases are— dealt with appropriately. all these cases are unique, but at tne— these cases are unique, but at tne neon— these cases are unique, but at tne neon ot— these cases are unique, but at the heart of it— these cases are unique, but at the heart of it is— these cases are unique, but at the heart of it is evil. these cases are unique, but at the heart of it is evil . from the heart of it is evil. from tne— the heart of it is evil. from tne nonente— the heart of it is evil. from the parents that- the heart of it is evil. from the parents that commit these tnot— the parents that commit these crimes that mums and dads, we eon-t— crimes that mums and dads, we eon-t noeeitiv— crimes that mums and dads, we can't possibly understand how tneee— can't possibly understand how tneee neonte— can't possibly understand how these people can— can't possibly understand how these people can behave like not— these people can behave like that because _ these people can behave like that because we— these people can behave like that because we love our oiiitnen— that because we love our children. we— that because we love our children. we can't, we can't imagine— children. we can't, we can't imagine tnot— children. we can't, we can't imagine that-of- children. we can't, we can't imagine that of cruelty . imagine that kind of cruelty. iiottv— imagine that kind of cruelty. iiottv nov— imagine that kind of cruelty. motty now there are lessons that viii— motty now there are lessons that viii nove— motty now there are lessons that viii ion to— motty now there are lessons that will have to be— motty now there are lessons that will have to be learned from tnie— will have to be learned from this, whether— will have to be learned from this, whether i— will have to be learned from this, whether i know you'll be ongnv— this, whether i know you'll be ongnv otont— this, whether i know you'll be ongnv otout n,— this, whether i know you'll be angry about it, michelle, teoonee— angry about it, michelle, because-seen- angry about it, michelle, because seen so angry about it, michelle, because-seen so of because we've seen so many of tnen.— because we've seen so many of tnen. one— because we've seen so many of tnen. one ot— because we've seen so many of them. one of the— because we've seen so many of them. one of the lessons might be them. one of the lessons might ite-ve— them. one of the lessons might ite-we ton-t— them. one of the lessons might be we don't resource social be that we don't resource social nont— be that we don't resource social vont enongn— be that we don't resource social work enough and— be that we don't resource social work enough and what worries me about— work enough and what worries me otont-nention— work enough and what worries me about-reaction we— work enough and what worries me about reaction we have to about the reaction we have to ot— about the reaction we have to some of these— about the reaction we have to some of these cases is are we

tniving— some of these cases is are we tniving-ovvov- some of these cases is are we driving - away from - some of these cases is are we driving away from social driving people away from social nont— driving people away from social work professionals that could ntnoiiv— work professionals that could ntnoiiv to — work professionals that could actually do the— work professionals that could actually do the job? i would never want-be— actually do the job? i would never want-be a - actually do the job? i would never want be a social worker never want to be a social worker . i never want to be a social worker . i neon— never want to be a social worker . i tne— never want to be a social worker . i mean, the pressure they're unten— . i mean, the pressure they're nnten on— . i mean, the pressure they're nnten on tne— . i mean, the pressure they're under or the resources they're enent— under or the resources they're enent ont— under or the resources they're enent ont tn— under or the resources they're under, and i'm sure there's a notion— under, and i'm sure there's a toottovvn-.- under, and i'm sure there's a lockdown-. it's- under, and i'm sure there's a lockdown . it's not an lockdown context. it's not an , tut— lockdown context. it's not an excuse , but it— lockdown context. it's not an excuse , but it will be something excuse, but it will be something not— excuse, but it will be something on noe— excuse, but it will be something on noe to— excuse, but it will be something that has to be— excuse, but it will be something that has to be considered. i think— that has to be considered. i think we— that has to be considered. i think we need— that has to be considered. i think we need to— that has to be considered. i think we need to look- that has to be considered. i think we need to look at the legal system, too. you know, what happened in that hearing in october that enabled the judge to well, let me to make that that. well, let me know to make that that. well, let me tnovv vonn— to make that that. well, let me know your thoughts,— well, let me know your thoughts, herman. i'm not oneoting— know your thoughts, herman. i'm not creating policy— know your thoughts, herman. i'm not creating policy on the hoof, by not creating policy on the hoof, tv- in— not creating policy on the hoof, tv-i-ve eeen- not creating policy on the hoof, tv-i-ve nov- not creating policy on the hoof, by i've seen way too by the way. i've seen way too nonv— by the way. i've seen way too nonvltneee — by the way. i've seen way too many these children. you'll many of these children. you'll all many of these children. you'll oti—nogei all remember the baby page. itenenten— all remember the baby page. remember—that. all remember the baby page. remember that was all remember the baby page.- remember_that was an all remember the baby page.- remeione. _that was an all remember the baby page. remeione. this that was an all remember the baby page. remeione. this has that was an all remember the baby page. remeione. this has beenit was an all remember the baby page. remeione. this has been going an awful one. this has been going onlveone— awful one. this has been going onlveone ont— awful one. this has been going on years and years. and just on for years and years. and just intone— on for years and years. and just intone i— on for years and years. and just intone i ove— on for years and years. and just before i move .to _ on for years and years. and just before i move to another before i move on to another tonie— before i move on to another tonie tet— before i move on to another tonie tet ne— before i move on to another topic, let me just be clear. inte— topic, let me just be clear. this little— topic, let me just be clear. this little - little | topic, let me just be clear.. this little-little ten this little boy, this little ten nontn— this little boy, this little ten month -finley,- this little boy, this little ten month finley, that i refer month old finley, that i refer to, ne— month old finley, that i refer to, ne noe— month old finley, that i refer to, he was last— month old finley, that i refer to, he was last seen alive by care professionals on the 27th of care professionals on the 27th ot—vnen— care professionals on the 27th of-whenlsocial. care professionals on the 27th- of-whenlsocial worker of november when a social worker fount— of november when a social worker tonne-tying— of november when a social worker found-lying alone— of november when a social worker found lying alone sofa found him lying alone on a sofa in o— found him lying alone on a sofa in o iiving— found him lying alone on a sofa in a living room— found him lying alone on a sofa in a living room while his mum ont— in a living room while his mum ont tot— in a living room while his mum and dad-upstairs- in a living room while his mum and dad upstairs listening in a living room while his mum an music. upstairs listening in a living room while his mum an music. who pstairs listening in a living room while his mum an music. who leaves listening in a living room while his mum an music. who leaves astening in a living room while his mum an music. who leaves a tening in a living room while his mum an music. who leaves a ten month to music. who leaves a ten month old to music. who leaves a ten month ott—on— to music. who leaves a ten month oit—on o— to music. who leaves a ten month oit—on o eotoz- to music. who leaves a ten month old—on a sofa? if- old on their own on a sofa? if yon-ve— old on their own on a sofa? if voo-ve otneotv— old on their own on a sofa? if you've already alarm bells you've already got alarm bells otont—von- you've already got alarm bells. about—you should about these parents, you should nove— about these parents, you should nove not— about these parents, you should

have had that— about these parents, you should have had that kid— about these parents, you should have had that kid out of there. atten— have had that kid out of there. atten mg,— have had that kid out of there. after that, the— have had that kid out of there. after that, the last visit to tne— after that, the last visit to tne-noe— after that, the last visit to the _was .the - after that, the last visit to the was the 23rd after that, the last visit to. the _was .the 23rd of the family was on the 23rd of oeoenten— the family was on the 23rd of december-the- the family was on the 23rd of december the dad the family was on the 23rd of- december-the dad -the december when the dad said the entit— december when the dad said the child couldn't— december when the dad said the child couldn't-as- december when the dad said the child couldn't as he was child couldn't be seen as he was oeieen— child couldn't be seen as he was oenet-ine— child couldn't be seen as he was asleep _the mum - asleep upstairs. the mum was seen down the— asleep upstairs. the mum was seen down the road carrying out tnie— seen down the road carrying out on ie— seen down the road carrying out on ie tne— seen down the road carrying out this is the direct— seen down the road carrying out this is the direct what this is the direct quote, what iootet— this is the direct quote, what looked—deal.- this is the direct quote, what looked—deal. i. this is the direct quote, what- looked_deal. i mean, looked like a drug deal. i mean, the looked like a drug deal. i mean, tne oteotnte— looked like a drug deal. i mean, the absolute state— looked like a drug deal. i mean, the absolute state of i the absolute state of that. i tnint— the absolute state of that. i tnint tnot— the absolute state of that. i think that-of- the absolute state of that. i think that of those social think that some of those social vvonenet— think that some of those social vvonenet neet— think that some of those social workers need to— think that some of those social workers need to hang heads workers need to hang their heads in enone— workers need to hang their heads in enone ant/wavi— workers need to hang their heads in shame anyway, i'll leave it witn— in shame anyway, i'll leave it vitn-ont— in shame anyway, i'll leave it with-and your— in shame anyway, i'll leave it with and your thoughts. tell with you and your thoughts. tell me with you and your thoughts. tell nnennoe-t— with you and your thoughts. tell nnennoe-t ot- with you and your thoughts. tell me-make of all- with you and your thoughts. telli me-make of all-that me what you make of all of that gb_gbnews.uk- me what you make of all of that gb_gbnews.uk is. me what you make of all of that gb gbnews.uk is how gb views that gbnews.uk is how you gb views that gbnews.uk is how yon-tonignt. — gb views that gbnews.uk is how yon-tonignt. -vonl you reach me tonight. and you may— you reach me tonight. and you nov nove— you reach me tonight. and you may have-been— you reach me tonight. and you may have been hearing the may have just been hearing the nurses are planning to go on etnite—ie- nurses are planning to go on etnite—ie ot- strike again. this is, of course, after- strike again. this is, of course, after the nursing tiggeet— course, after the nursing biggest union, the rcn, voted ogoinet— biggest union, the rcn, voted against government's pay against the government's pay teoi— against the government's pay teoi-inet— against the government's pay deal-justlrecap- against the government's pay deal-justlrecap ,- against the government's pay deal just recap , they deal. so just to recap, they vett— deal. so just to recap, they well, actually,— deal. so just to recap, they well, actually, it- deal. so just to recap, they well, actually, it was 54% of tnen — well, actually, it was 54% of them actually— well, actually, it was 54% of them actually that voted against tne.— them actually that voted against tnie. ant— them actually that voted against tnie. ant tnev— them actually that voted against this. and they were offered, i tnint— this. and they were offered, i tnint it— this. and they were offered, i tnint it noe— this. and they were offered, i think it was a— this. and they were offered, i think it was a 5%_ this. and they were offered, i think it was a 5% pay increase nine— think it was a 5% pay increase nine o— think it was a 5% pay increase ntoe o tonne— think it was a 5% pay increase plus a bonus that— think it was a 5% pay increase plus a bonus that worked out at noon— plus a bonus that worked out at otont on— plus a bonus that worked out at about 6% there— plus a bonus that worked out at about 6% there or— plus a bonus that worked out at about 6% there or thereabouts, tenenting— about 6% there or thereabouts, tenenting on— about 6% there or thereabouts, depending on the— about 6% there or thereabouts, depending on the wage. tom, do you tnint— depending on the wage. tom, do you tnint it— depending on the wage. tom, do you think it was— depending on the wage. tom, do you think it was the right are you— you think it was the right are you in— you think it was the right are you in tne— you think it was the right are you in the side,— you think it was the right are you in the side, i— you think it was the right are you in the side, i guess, of the vvonenet— you in the side, i guess, of the vvonenet nene— you in the side, i guess, of the workers here or— you in the side, i guess, of the workers here or the government? i'm workers here or the government? in in— workers here or the government? in in tne— workers here or the government? in in the site— workers here or the government? i'm in the side of— workers here or the government?

i'm in the side of good— workers here or the government? i'm in the side of good public services and there's a there's a negotiation over pay. people work in a labour market, whether we like it or not. this is the worst outcome for worst possible outcome for government, for nurses and for patients. it shows that the union have lost their membership andifs union have lost their membership and it's a failure of leadership. i cannot help but think had the government done this deal a month before they actually got it, got it over the line, the leadership of the nurses union could have persuaded enough people to vote in favour of this deal. what we've got now is an impossible situation. the leadership of the rcn can't get their workers back, back off their strike and the morale is so low and unless something else is offered to them, we could see the worst of all worlds, which is nurses giving up and leaving the sector and if you think about the nhs , and if you think about the nhs, you have to now think we're in a global market. if you're a nurse in australia, you earn three times as much as a uk nurse. same in the middle east. four times as much. and i know of hundreds of nurses that have

left the country to go and work abroad because the only way abroad because it's the only way they think they can give their families a start. what families a decent start. what are the pensions like- l :f what are the pensions like over tnenez—anel are the pensions like over. there?_are they there? do we know? are they einiton— there? do we know? are they similar-what— there? do we know? are they similar-what you - there? do we know? are they similar what you get here in similar to what you get here in the similar to what you get here in tne un— similar to what you get here in tne unli— similar to what you get here in the ukii don't— similar to what you get here in the uk i don't know what the the uk or i don't know what the neneione— the uk or i don't know what the neneione-iite— the uk or i don't know what the pensions-like, but- the uk or i don't know what the pensions like, but well, pensions are like, but well, i tnint— pensions are like, but well, i tnintltnint— pensions are like, but well, i think|think i— pensions are like, but well, i think|think i can- pensions are like, but well, i think think i can be very think i think i can be very oentoin— think i think i can be very oentoin-von- think i think i can be very certain-you get- think i think i can be very certain you get a lot more certain that you get a lot more money— certain that you get a lot more nonev oe— certain that you get a lot more money aslnurse_ certain that you get a lot more money aslnurse in- certain that you get a lot more money as nurse in australia, money as a nurse in australia, in tne— money as a nurse in australia, in the middle— money as a nurse in australia, in the middle _that's. in the middle east. that's undeniable.— in the middle east. that's undeniable. well, and canada and the us, i mean, most developed nations, paid nations, actually, they get paid more. and a problem. and more. and that's a problem. and it's a problem sunak it's a problem for rishi sunak because he's he came in, you know, promising a world because he's he came in, you know,health romising a world because he's he came in, you know,health service; a world because he's he came in, you know,health service . a world because he's he came in, you know,health service . it world because he's he came in, you know,health service . it mayi class health service. it may end up costing more to try and up costing us more to try and replace the nurses that leave the sector. so there is a the sector. and so there is a balance here and there's always and always an and there's always an opportunity to find five opportunity to find his five pledges, tom, it, to get pledges, tom, isn't it, to get waiting down. so this waiting lists down. so this isn't a very good- e g l : so this isn't a very good start. we're in antit— isn't a very good start. we're in anni ont— isn't a very good start. we're in april and actually the notionot— in april and actually the national health service still national health service is still in tnnnoit— national health service is still in turmoil. we've— national health service is still in turmoil. we've just had the innion— in turmoil. we've just had the into-ente- in turmoil. we've just had the junior-strike. it's- junior doctors strike. it's going—onti junior doctors strike. it's. going—one going to rumble on and on. i teet— going to rumble on and on. i inet nont— going to rumble on and on. i feet wont to— going to rumble on and on. i just want to _out- going to rumble on and on. i just want to out as well just want to point out as well not— just want to point out as well on ion— just want to point out as well on ion ot— just want to point out as well that 75% of union— just want to point out as well that 75% of union members ootnoitv— that 75% of union members actually voted— that 75% of union members actually voted to accept the

teoi. — actually voted to accept the teoi. so — actually voted to accept the teoi. so in — actually voted to accept the deal. g actually voted to accept the - deal. so i'm talking about rcn, which of course, is the biggest one. so what do you think they should get offered then, ben? well , i've should get offered then, ben? well, i've said on this program intone— well, i've said on this program intone i— well, i've said on this program before, i think— well, i've said on this program before, i think the— well, i've said on this program before, i think the this is a notion— before, i think the this is a toiinne in— before, i think the this is a failure in governance once at tne— failure in governance once at tne nigneet— failure in governance once at the highest level— failure in governance once at the highest level, we failure in governance once at the highest level , we these the highest level, we these tneee— the highest level, we these these strikes— the highest level, we these these strikes were well flagged toot— these strikes were well flagged took in— these strikes were well flagged took in inne— these strikes were well flagged back in june last— these strikes were well flagged back in june last year. people tnen— back in june last year. people tnevv tne— back in june last year. people knew the public— back in june last year. people knew the public sector was in tnnnoii. — knew the public sector was in turmoil. teachers— knew the public sector was in turmoil. teachers were going to go on— turmoil. teachers were going to go on etnite— turmoil. teachers were going to go on strike. the— turmoil. teachers were going to go on strike. the rmt was first out ot— go on strike. the rmt was first out of tne— go on strike. the rmt was first out of the gates,— go on strike. the rmt was first out of the gates, if you like. ine— out of the gates, if you like. ine neottn— out of the gates, if you like. the health service. did the, you know— the health service. did the, you tnovv ,— the health service. did the, you tnovv , iotgee— the health service. did the, you know , judges, the— the health service. did the, you know , judges, the judiciary, know, judges, the judiciary, tnev— know, judges, the judiciary, tnevvvene— know, judges, the judiciary, they were all— know, judges, the judiciary, they were all on strike. ivenvone— they were all on strike. everyone was- they were all on strike. everyone was out for higher pay. ant— everyone was out for higher pay. ant tne— everyone was out for higher pay. ant tne itovoi— everyone was out for higher pay. and the royal college of nurses to te— and the royal college of nurses to in ion— and the royal college of nurses to te toin to— and the royal college of nurses to be fair to them,— and the royal college of nurses to be fair to them, as tom meant mentioned,— to be fair to them, as tom meant mentioned, are— to be fair to them, as tom meant mentioned, are paid, you know, gtotoiiv— mentioned, are paid, you know, gtotottv noon— mentioned, are paid, you know, globally much less than their ooontennonte— globally much less than their counterparts. and the royal cottege— counterparts. and the royal cottege ot— counterparts. and the royal college of nurses has never etnnt— college of nurses has never etnnt ont— college of nurses has never struck out before. this is their ninet— struck out before. this is their tinet etnite— struck out before. this is their first strike in— struck out before. this is their first strike in history. so i've got— first strike in history. so i've got sympathy— first strike in history. so i've got sympathy with the rcn . they got sympathy with the rcn. they etonteoi— got sympathy with the rcn. they etontet, i— got sympathy with the rcn. they started, i think— got sympathy with the rcn. they started, i think slightly amateurishly demand . a 19% wage amateurishly demand. a 19% wage rise amateurishly demand. a 19% wage ont— amateurishly demand. a 19% wage ont tnev— amateurishly demand. a 19% wage rise and they were— amateurishly demand. a 19% wage rise and they were never going to get— rise and they were never going to get on — rise and they were never going to get that. but— rise and they were never going to get that. but then they eettiet— to get that. but then they settled for— to get that. but then they settled for something that was

egooiiv— settled for something that was equally shocking. the other the one— equally shocking. the other the otnen ent— equally shocking. the other the otnen ent ot— equally shocking. the other the other end of the— equally shocking. the other the other end of the spectrum, you know,— other end of the spectrum, you know, noving— other end of the spectrum, you know, having asked for 19% with know, having asked for19% with not— know, having asked for 19% with neoi vvoge— know, having asked for 19% with real wage reductions of 30% over the real wage reductions of 30% over tne toet— real wage reductions of 30% over tne ioet ie— real wage reductions of 30% over the last 13 years— real wage reductions of 30% over the last 13 years to— real wage reductions of 30% over the last 13 years to settle on a on— the last 13 years to settle on a on innoee— the last 13 years to settle on a 5% increase, which— the last 13 years to settle on a 5% increase, which is lower than nonv— 5% increase, which is lower than nonv otnen— 5% increase, which is lower than many other unions— 5% increase, which is lower than many other unions have settled at, many other unions have settled a, noe— many other unions have settled a, i— many other unions have settled at, was, i think,— many other unions have settled at, was, i think, a— many other unions have settled at, was, i think, a failure in negotiotion— at, was, i think, a failure in negotiation by— at, was, i think, a failure in negotiation by pat cullen. and as negotiation by pat cullen. and oe ion — negotiation by pat cullen. and as tom now says,— negotiation by pat cullen. and as tom now says, you've got this not— as tom now says, you've got this neoi vvnene— as tom now says, you've got this real mess where rishi sunak is on nie— real mess where rishi sunak is on nie toot— real mess where rishi sunak is on his back foot.— real mess where rishi sunak is on his back foot. the government non-t— on his back foot. the government vvon-t tnov— on his back foot. the government vvon-t tnovv nov— on his back foot. the government won't know how to— on his back foot. the government won't know how to handle it. pat cuiten— won't know how to handle it. pat cutien ie— won't know how to handle it. pat cotten ie going— won't know how to handle it. pat cullen is going to— won't know how to handle it. pat cullen is going to have to take a cullen is going to have to take o ven— cullen is going to have to take o venv etnong— cullen is going to have to take a very strong stance and you're going— a very strong stance and you're going to— a very strong stance and you're going to nove— a very strong stance and you're going to have intransigent intransigence_ going to have intransigent intransigence from both sides. so intransigence from both sides. so tne— intransigence from both sides. so the problem— intransigence from both sides. so the problem going to so the problem is going to ninete— so the problem is going to rumble—have. so the problem is going to- rumble—havelbroken rumble on and we have a broken iotonn—eov- rumble on and we have a broken iotonn—eov ite- labour market. you say it's going rumble on, but actually going to rumble on, but actually the they're the next strike that they're going to do that has to be their last one for a while because they're only allowed to do six in the months. percy in the six months. percy original so be original ballot. so be interesting see what interesting then to see what they're much harder, they're going to do much harder, though, michel. remember, this ten-t— though, michel. remember, this tent—union.- isn't a militant trade union. inte— isn't a militant trade union. inielo— isn't a militant trade union. inielo tnie— isn't a militant trade union. this-a this is— isn't a militant trade union. this-a this is an- isn't a militant trade union. this a this is an arthur this is a this is an arthur soongiii.— this is a this is an arthur scargill. this— this is a this is an arthur scargill. this is- this is a this is an arthur scargill. this is what you call a scargill. this is what you call o ven— scargill. this is what you call o nv- - scargill. this is what you call a very-union. and. a very moderate union. and tnev-ve— a very moderate union. and tnev-ve toet— a very moderate union. and they've lost their members. it's tnie— they've lost their members. it's this. grassroots— this is grassroots up and it's venv—ieoti

very hard to politically lead neonie— very hard to politically lead neonte ont— very hard to politically lead neonte out ot— very hard to politically lead people out of that when they've teet— people out of that when they've inet not— people out of that when they've just had l majority _ people out of that when they've just had majority ballot. if just had a majority ballot. if i woe—seonetonv- just had a majority ballot. if i was—secretary i'd. was the health secretary i'd be tooting— was the health secretary i'd be tootinglvnot— was the health secretary i'd be looking-what else- was the health secretary i'd be looking what else can i get, looking at what else can i get, wnot— looking at what else can i get, vvnot eiee— looking at what else can i get, vvnot eiee-i— looking at what else can i get, what else-i give- looking at what else can i get, what else i give these union what else can i give these union ieotene— what else can i give these union ieotene eo— what else can i give these union leaders so that— what else can i give these union leaders so that they can go and eett— leaders so that they can go and eeit o— leaders so that they can go and eeit o teoi— leaders so that they can go and sell a deal to— leaders so that they can go and sell a deal to their— leaders so that they can go and sell a deal to their members? neoonee— sell a deal to their members? because otherwise we could be for because otherwise we could be ton—nontne- because otherwise we could be for—months and. for here months, months and nontne—. - for here months, months and nontne—. notl for here months, months and months_. but say months and months. but you say they— months and months. but you say they con-t— months and months. but you say they can't it to their they can't sell it to their members. but just i i members. but just i mean, i repeat my figures. they're close. yeah. rcn, was close. yeah. the rcn, it was only 54% that rejected it and the turnout was only 61. but in the turnout was only 61. but in the trade union world, when your leadership ask you to vote for a deal and then the members on the ground, these are not people active in unions. these are just nnennenet— active in unions. these are just nnennenet vno— active in unions. these are just nnennenet vvno get— active in unions. these are just members who get a— eneit " l. " these are just members who get a ballot paper. they— members who get a ballot paper. inev eon— members who get a ballot paper. inev eov, no,— members who get a ballot paper. they say, no, we're— members who get a ballot paper. they say, no, we're not having it, they say, no, we're not having n, vveve— they say, no, we're not having n, not— they say, no, we're not having it, we've had enough. and that's teoonee— it, we've had enough. and that's because they've— it, we've had enough. and that's because they've been alienated teoonee— because they've been alienated because government because they've been alienated because them government because they've been alienated because them aroundfernment because they've been alienated because them around the �*nent because they've been alienated because them around the table didn't get them around the table eoniv— didn't get them around the table eontv enoogn— didn't get them around the table early enough and— didn't get them around the table early enough and it's to early enough and it's hard to get— early enough and it's hard to get out— early enough and it's hard to get outltnot. — early enough and it's hard to get out that. and when you get out of that. and when you took— get out of that. and when you toot-tneee— get out of that. and when you look-these-you- get out of that. and when you look these you know, look at these guys, you know, tnev-ve—von- look at these guys, you know, they've _you know,j they've spent said, you know, tnev-ve— they've spent said, you know, they've _ inflation l they've had below inflation pay neee— they've had below inflation pay nieee-teoote— they've had below inflation pay rises-decade and - they've had below inflation pay rises decade and they're rises for a decade and they're teet— rises for a decade and they're feet etnoggting— rises for a decade and they're just struggling and then you get intiotion— just struggling and then you get inflation quintupling in a year. it's inflation quintupling in a year. we onenet— inflation quintupling in a year. it's pushed them— inflation quintupling in a year. it's pushed them over the edge.

ant— it's pushed them over the edge. antltnie— it's pushed them over the edge. antltnie ie— it's pushed them over the edge. and-this is very— it's pushed them over the edge. and this is very different to and so this is very different to win— and so this is very different to vnot ve— and so this is very different to vnot we know— and so this is very different to what we know is— and so this is very different to what we know is industrial etnite— what we know is industrial etnite, tnot— what we know is industrial strife, that kind of idea of nititont— strife, that kind of idea of militant trade _ strife, that kind of idea of militant trade unionism. this is tnie— militant trade unionism. this is on ie— militant trade unionism. this is this is ordinary— militant trade unionism. this is this is ordinary people doing teenenote— this is ordinary people doing desperate for— this is ordinary people doing desperate for a— this is ordinary people doing desperate for a better , better, desperate for a better, better, tetten— desperate for a better, better, tetten iiving— desperate for a better, better, better living thing. and the govennnent— better living thing. and the government should recognise that and government should recognise that ont get— government should recognise that ont get get— government should recognise that and get get everyone back around the and get get everyone back around tne totte— and get get everyone back around tne totie ont— and get get everyone back around the table and try— and get get everyone back around the table and try and see if tnen-e— the table and try and see if there's something else they can do there's something else they can to to— there's something else they can to to te— there's something else they can do to be involved— there's something else they can do to be involved in the morale in tne— do to be involved in the morale in the workforce. _ do to be involved in the morale in the workforce. , in the workforce. because you say— in the workforce. because you say that they're ordinary people as speak often my mum as i speak about often my mum and for example, are nhs and sister, for example, are nhs nurses will find nurses and what i will find interesting is the dynamic now, because have because you're going to have nurses alongside each other. so you your union unison you love your union unison worker who has accepted this deal alongside side all of them alongside a worker. now that potentially is going to get potentially is going to get potentially a lot more alongside other my sister, other nurses like my sister, their their ballot didn't meet their their ballot didn't meet the threshold, so they couldn't even take part in the action. it's all destabilising. yeah. so you're to this you're going to have this massively de—man motivated workforce and i wonder that workforce and i wonder how that will out in terms morale will pan out in terms of morale and motivation on the wall. we

know it pans out. they new" cit" we know it pans out. they leave the eeton— know it pans out. they leave the eeoton-von— know it pans out. they leave the sector-you have- know it pans out. they leave the sector-you have to- sector and then you have to tnin— sector and then you have to tnoin oe— sector and then you have to train more nurses, which costs more money, or you bring in neonie— more money, or you bring in people-abroad,- more money, or you bring in people abroad, which people from abroad, which otvionetv— people from abroad, which obviously government aren't obviously the government aren't tnot—tnot- obviously the government aren't that—that ain't- that keen on and that ain't so eoev— that keen on and that ain't so eoev-tnev— that keen on and that ain't so eoev-tnev-ot- that keen on and that ain't so easy-they-at whati that keen on and that ain't so- easy-they-at what they easy when they look at what they nove — easy when they look at what they nove -vnen — easy when they look at what they have _when they - easy when they look at what they have when they come have to face when they come nene. — have to face when they come neneltnint— have to face when they come here-think i— have to face when they come here-think i think- have to face when they come here-think i think rishi. here. i think i think rishi sunak has got a real problem. he paints himself as guy paints himself as this guy who can analyse death and can analyse stuff to death and then pick pick problems off and resolve them. well, actually that's hole right below that's blown a hole right below the for him. well, do the waterline for him. well, do you make to it you— the waterline for him. well, do you make to it you guys- 1 " well, do you make to it you guys at home, do you make to it you guys at home, to-ennnont— you make to it you guys at home, do-support-nurses?- you make to it you guys at home, do support nurses? do do you support the nurses? do you— do you support the nurses? do you tnintz— do you support the nurses? do you think? yes.— do you support the nurses? do you think? yes. you're still booting— you think? yes. you're still backing them— you think? yes. you're still backing them or do you think come on now, let's time let's get— come on now, let's time let's get into— come on now, let's time let's get into nonn— come on now, let's time let's get into work. let's try and move forward. _ get into work. let's try and move forward. what about the tivieionz— move forward. what about the tivieionz ae— move forward. what about the division? as i've— move forward. what about the division? as i've just been mentioning— division? as i've just been mentio accepting or potentially unions accepting or potentially etiii— unions accepting or potentially etiti not— unions accepting or potentially still not accepting going tonvvont— still not accepting going tonvvont ,— still not accepting going forward , different deals, same forward, different deals, same ootieognee— forward, different deals, same colleagues potentially on tittenent— colleagues potentially on different wages, your thoughts on ott— different wages, your thoughts on oti ot— different wages, your thoughts on all of that— different wages, your thoughts on all of that ?_ different wages, your thoughts on all of that ? i— different wages, your thoughts on all of that ? i want to take a on all of that? i want to take a gunn— on all of that? i want to take a gent neon— on all of that? i want to take a quick break. when— on all of that? i want to take a quick break. when i come back, i'll quick break. when i come back, in nove— quick break. when i come back, i'll have some— quick break. when i come back, i'll have some of— quick break. when i come back, i'll have some of your feedback, but i'll have some of your feedback, totloieo— i'll have some of your feedback, butialso-move- i'll have some of your feedback, butialso-move on. - but i also want to move on. i wont— but i also want to move on. i wont to— but i also want to move on. i wont to tott— but i also want to move on. i want to talk about the diabetes onieie— want to talk about the diabetes onieie in— want to talk about the diabetes onieie in tnie— want to talk about the diabetes crisis in this country. get this

, e— crisis in this country. get this , over 5 million— crisis in this country. get this , over 5 million of- crisis in this country. get this , over 5 million of us have tiotetee— , over 5 million of us have tiotetee .— , over 5 million of us have diabetes . lots— , over 5 million of us have diabetes . lots of it is type diabetes. lots of it is type two:— diabetes. lots of it is type two, vvnnn— diabetes. lots of it is type two, which many blame on titeetvie. — two, which many blame on lifestyle. some— two, which many blame on lifestyle. some are saying the govennnent— lifestyle. some are saying the government needs to step up and do government needs to step up and to oe— government needs to step up and to .— government needs to step up and to . ont— government needs to step up and do more . but don't— government needs to step up and do more . but don't we need to do more. but don't we need to eten— do more. but don't we need to eten tn— do more. but don't we need to eten on ont— do more. but don't we need to eten on ont to— do more. but don't we need to step up and do more to look often— step up and do more to look after ourselves?— step up and do more to look after ourselves? your thoughts. see— after ourselves? your thoughts. see vot— after ourselves? your thoughts. see you .—

in two. hi i in two. hi therei i in two.| hi there . i in two.- hi there . i'm | in two.— hi there . i'm michelle dewberry hi there. i'm michelle dewberry ont— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry ont tn— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry ont in keeping— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company nignt— and i'm keeping you company nignt tnnoogn— and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. atongeite— right through till 7:00 tonight. ntongeite ne— right through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, i've got ben habib ,tne— alongside me, i've got ben habib ,tne coo— alongside me, i've got ben habib ,tne cio ot— alongside me, i've got ben habib , the ceo of first— alongside me, i've got ben habib , the ceo of first property onon— , the ceo of first property onto, ont— , the ceo of first property onto, ont o— , the ceo of first property group, and a member the group, and a member of the neon— group, and a member of the itetonn-ont- group, and a member of the. reform -and.watson group, and a member of the. reform - and .watson , reform party, and tom watson, the reform party, and tom watson, tne tonnen— reform party, and tom watson, the former deputy- reform party, and tom watson, the former deputy leader of the totonn— the former deputy leader of the totonn nonv— the former deputy leader of the labour party. welcome back, eventotv— labour party. welcome back, everybody philip says how nice everybody. philip says how nice to eee— everybody. philip says how nice to ion — everybody. philip says how nice to see tom watson- everybody. philip says how nice to see tom watson on the show. iinnet— to see tom watson on the show. iinnei nieoee— to see tom watson on the show. michel please, can- to see tom watson on the show. michel please, can you say vveionne— michel please, can you say welcome back?- michel please, can you say welcome back? we've missed welcome back? tom we've missed voo— welcome back? tom we've missed you. ite— welcome back? tom we've missed you. no entitie— welcome back? tom we've missed you. it's philip, your- welcome back? tom we've missed you. it's philip, your dad. i know.— you. it's philip, your dad. i know. not— you. it's philip, your dad. i know, but he- you. it's philip, your dad. i know, but he can- you. it's philip, your dad. i know, but he can be- you. it's philip, your dad. i know, but he can be if. you. it's philip, your dad. i know, but he can be if he wants to be. thanks philip. thank you. be there you go. i bet you've never had that offer ever before. it's not phil davis, is it? old parliamentary

it? my old parliamentary sparring oh, i don't sparring partner? oh, i don't know. it? you know him? know. is it? do you know him? initin— know. is it? do you know him? initin oo— know. is it? do you know him? initin oo vot— know. is it? do you know him? philip do you know- is it? do you know him? philip do you know him as he pages— philip do you know him as he nogee to— philip do you know him as he nogee to eent— philip do you know him as he nogee to eent o— philip do you know him as he pages to send a nice email in? i ton-t— pages to send a nice email in? i ton-t know.— pages to send a nice email in? i don't know. tell- pages to send a nice email in? i don't know. tell me- pages to send a nice email in? i don't know. tell me lots you don't know. tell me lots of you getting— don't know. tell me lots of you getting in— don't know. tell me lots of you getting in touch- don't know. tell me lots of you getting in touch about that entit— getting in touch about that child murderer- getting in touch about that child murderer story at the top. onnie— child murderer story at the top. onnie-oon-t— child murderer story at the top. chris-can't blame. child murderer story at the top. chris can't blame social chris says we can't blame social eenvne— chris says we can't blame social eenvne sove— chris says we can't blame social eenvne sove it— chris says we can't blame social service says if you - chris says we can't blame social service says if you make social eenvnee— service says if you make social services responsible. services legally responsible. iinnetie— services legally responsible. michelle as- services legally responsible. michelle as you - services legally responsible. michelle as you want to do, no nonto— michelle as you want to do, no vontt go— michelle as you want to do, no one would go into- michelle as you want to do, no one would go into that profession.- one would go into that profession. these guys cannot do nignt— profession. these guys cannot do nignt-going— profession. these guys cannot do right.doing wrong.- profession. these guys cannot do right doing wrong. gavin right for doing wrong. gavin eove— right for doing wrong. gavin eove-one— right for doing wrong. gavin says-are several- right for doing wrong. gavin says are several good says there are several good neoeoneltne— says there are several good reasons the return of the reasons for the return of the teotn — reasons for the return of the. teotn—vonn death penalty. murdering your own—tnen.- death penalty. murdering your own-them. i've own child is one of them. i've got— own child is one of them. i've got to— own child is one of them. i've got to eon— own child is one of them. i've got to say, gavin,- own child is one of them. i've got to say, gavin, i- own child is one of them. i've got to say, gavin, i actually tnint— got to say, gavin, i actually tnint too— got to say, gavin, i actually think too that's- got to say, gavin, i actually think too that's good for them. i think too that's good for them. i tnint— think too that's good for them. i tnint it— think too that's good for them. i think if they- think too that's good for them. i think if they are- think too that's good for them. i think if they are someone who tnnne— i think if they are someone who tonne—vno- burns their own child, who oteee— burns their own child, who abuses them,- burns their own child, who abuses them, breaks pretty much even— abuses them, breaks pretty much even-tnein— abuses them, breaks pretty much even-tnein totv- abuses them, breaks pretty much every their body and all every bone in their body and all the every bone in their body and all tne-ot— every bone in their body and all tne-oili— every bone in their body and all tne-otli teet— every bone in their body and all the.of.| just think- the rest of it, i just think ootnoitv— the rest of it, i just think actually giving the rest of it, i just think. actually giving-simple actually giving them a simple intention— actually giving them a simple intention-tit- injection is a little bit tetting— injection is a little bit letting them off scot injection is a little bit- letting them .off scot free. letting them get off scot free. if letting them get off scot free. it-oet— letting them get off scot free. it-oet nne— letting them get off scot free. if.ask me, gary- letting them get off scot free. if ask me, gary says, i do if you ask me, gary says, i do ognee— if you ask me, gary says, i do ognee tnot— if you ask me, gary says, i do agree that social- if you ask me, gary says, i do agree that social services enonit— agree that social services should face - agree that social services should face some type of prosecution - should face some type of prosecution .- should face some type of prosecution . perhaps, michelle, prosecution. perhaps, michelle, as prosecution. perhaps, michelle, oe—vontt— prosecution. perhaps, michelle, as -would finally. as you say, it would finally nnoteot— as you say, it would finally protect vulnerable children. keep— protect vulnerable children. neen youn— protect vulnerable children. keep your thoughts coming in, ononon — keep your thoughts coming in, ononon eove— keep your thoughts coming in, graham says it's- keep your thoughts coming in, graham says it's ridiculous that one union accepts- graham says it's ridiculous that one union accepts a pay deal and none— one union accepts a pay deal and onene-it.— one union accepts a pay deal and another-it. the- one union accepts a pay deal and another it. the strikes another rejects it. the strikes one—ont- are becoming tedious and tongenone— are becoming tedious and

dangerous. wayne says. is it not time— dangerous. wayne says. is it not tine-tning— dangerous. wayne says. is it not time.bring nurses- dangerous. wayne says. is it not time bring nurses from time to bring nurses in from otnoot— time to bring nurses in from abroad.sack- time to bring nurses in from abroad sack ones who abroad and sack the ones who nont— abroad and sack the ones who wont to— abroad and sack the ones who wont to te— abroad and sack the ones who wont to in on— abroad and sack the ones who want to be on strike? because otvioneiv— want to be on strike? becausei obviously-respect obviously they have no respect for obviously they have no respect ton-neonie-e— obviously they have no respect for people's well—being , he for the people's well—being, he eove— for the people's well—being, he eoev-nnn inie- for the people's well—being, he says. um, julie says, until says. when um, julie says, until my says. when um, julie says, until nv eon— says. when um, julie says, until nv teennoe— says. when um, julie says, until my son became a- says. when um, julie says, until my son became a junior doctor, i nonto— my son became a junior doctor, i vontt neven— my son became a junior doctor, i would never have- my son became a junior doctor, i would never have believed it was iegoi— would never have believed it was iegoi to— would never have believed it was legal to .expected - would never have believed it was legal to expected to work. legal to be expected to work. ine— legal to be expected to work. ine nonn— legal to be expected to work. the hours they- legal to be expected to work. the hours they do for so little nvvon— the hours they do for so little nvvont vve— the hours they do for so little reward. we - get - the hours they do for so little reward. we - get to - the hours they do for so little. reward. we - get to . him reward. we never get to see him teoonee— reward. we never get to see him because -workload.- reward. we never get to see him because workload. no because of his workload. no vvonene— because of his workload. no wonder they're- because of his workload. no wonder they're leaving in their tnvee— wonder they're leaving in their tnovee—ont- wonder they're leaving in their droves. -and the. droves. there's julie, and the govennnent— government's stance will do notning— government's stance will do nothing.lower- government's stance will do nothing lower morale nothing but lower their morale tnnnen.— nothing but lower their morale even further. keep your thoughts ooning— even further. keep your thoughts coming-tne— even further. keep your thoughts coming-the usual- even further. keep your thoughts coming the usual ways. coming in all the usual ways. not— coming in all the usual ways. not tet-e— coming in all the usual ways. but let's move- coming in all the usual ways. but let's move on- coming in all the usual ways. but let's move on for now. the uk but let's move on for now. the on ie— but let's move on for now. the on ie in— but let's move on for now. the on ie in tne— but let's move on for now. the uk is in the midst- but let's move on for now. the uk is in the midst of a diabetes nieie— uk is in the midst of a diabetes ont— uk is in the midst of a diabetes crisis, and this- uk is in the midst of a diabetes crisis, and this is- uk is in the midst of a diabetes crisis, and this is according to a crisis, and this is according to o nenont. — crisis, and this is according to a new report. apparently, 5 nititon— a new report. apparently, 5 nittion ot— a new report. apparently, 5 million of us- a new report. apparently, 5 million of us have diabetes, 90% of million of us have diabetes, 90% ot onnn— million of us have diabetes, 90% of onion one— million of us have diabetes, 90% of which are type- million of us have diabetes, 90% of which are type two, which is a of which are type two, which is o oontition— of which are type two, which is a condition more- of which are type two, which is a condition more likely to be denoted— a condition more likely to be tevetonet it— a condition more likely to be developed if people are ovenvveignt— developed if people are overweight .- developed if people are overweight. but this has led to tote— overweight. but this has led to tote ot— overweight. but this has led to tote ot neonte— overweight. but this has led to lots of people shouting that the govennnent— lots of people shouting that the government needs to do more , government needs to do more, save us essentially from ourselves . tom watson , i'm going ourselves. tom watson, i'm going to eton— ourselves. tom watson, i'm going to etont witn— ourselves. tom watson, i'm going to start with you,- ourselves. tom watson, i'm going to start with you, if- ourselves. tom watson, i'm going to start with you, if you don't mint.— to start with you, if you don't nint. vot— to start with you, if you don't mind. you are- to start with you, if you don't mind. you are somebody who did nove— mind. you are somebody who did nove tyne— mind. you are somebody who did nove tvne tno— mind. you are somebody who did have type two diabetes, as this

is have type two diabetes, as this ie often— have type two diabetes, as this is often cited- have type two diabetes, as this is often cited as- have type two diabetes, as this is often cited as a- have type two diabetes, as this is often cited as a lifestyle . is often cited as a lifestyle. vot— is often cited as a lifestyle. you know,— is often cited as a lifestyle. you know, side- is often cited as a lifestyle. you know, side effects of bad titeetvie— you know, side effects of bad lifestyle choices,- you know, side effects of bad lifestyle choices, if i may be so lifestyle choices, if i may be eo tinne— lifestyle choices, if i may be so blunt, was- lifestyle choices, if i may be so blunt, was that the case for you?— so blunt, was that the case for you? vee — so blunt, was that the case for vote vee venn— so blunt, was that the case for you? yes “is?" an? " azcg so blunt, was that the case for you? yes “is?" an? " dicg ' i: you? yes yeah, definitely. and mine's an everyman story. really? i was a normal working class bloke. i like my beer and curries. i piled the weight on over 25, 30 years. i became overweight, obese, pre—diabetic , hypertensive, then diabetic , , hypertensive, then diabetic, and. and i thought i was going to die. i and i had to do something about it. and i did do something about it. and i did do something about it. and i did do something about it. and five years ago, i put type two diabetes. i say i put it into remission because i know that if i started eating sugary products again or drinking too many beers or you not looking after myself , the diabetes would return. so you never lose it. but you can control it through life style changes. but then you said you tnongnt— changes. but then you said you tnoognt vot— changes. but then you said you tnoognt voo vvoe— fg but then you said you thought you was going to die. at vnot— thought you was going to die. at vnot point— thought you was going to die. at vnot noint vot— thought you was going to die. at what point you said that it was tint— what point you said that it was tinet ot— what point you said that it was tinet ot ott— what point you said that it was first of all, over- what point you said that it was first of all, over weight, over

vveigit— first of all, over weight, over veignt. inen— first of all, over weight, over weight. then you- first of all, over weight, over weight. then you became bigger or weight. then you became bigger onlvnot— weight. then you became bigger onlvnot-tit— weight. then you became bigger or.what-did.sit. or at what point did you sit tnen— or at what point did you sit tnene ont— or at what point did you sit tnene ont go,— or at what point did you sit there and go, actually, i've got to to— there and go, actually, i've got to do something- there and go, actually, i've got to do something about this? vein— to do something about this? viett. tite— to do something about this? viett. tine i— to do something about this? well, like i think- to do something about this? well, like i think a- to do something about this? well, like i think a lot- to do something about this? well, like i think a lot of blokes, just up in blokes, you just end up in denial. lie to yourself. and denial. you lie to yourself. and so it took work. it took so for me, it took work. it took my children really. i didn't want to die for my children. i loved them very much. i'm quite an old dad and i just reached a point where i thought if i don't address this now, i'm not going to be able to do it. and of course, being a former mp or being an mp at the time, i used to sort of read the reports on diabetes and remember one of diabetes and i remember one of the i remembered the statistics i remembered reading that the nhs amputates 150ft or toes a week as a result of type two diabetes and probably half of those people could have, could, could remove themselves from the condition with lifestyle changes . it's with lifestyle changes. it's that serious and it's that serious. the nhs won't be able to cope because the graph is going that way and unless we make significant changes us, it's not going to be 5,000,000 in 10 years time. it's going to

be 7.5 million and there are not enough doctors nhs to enough doctors in the nhs to treat with these chronic treat people with these chronic conditions. my friend , if conditions. my best friend, if ene—it— conditions. my best friend, if ene—it ene-e- she won't mind if she's vonning— she won't mind if she's watching,.her- she won't mind if she's watching, her dad is one she won't mind if she's- watching,.her dad is one of watching, but her dad is one of tnoee— watching, but her dad is one of tnoee neonte— watching, but her dad is one of those people. he's- watching, but her dad is one of those people. he's lost his foot ont— those people. he's lost his foot one-ieg— those people. he's lost his foot ont-ieg nn— those people. he's lost his foot ont-ieg on to- those people. he's lost his foot and-leg up to the. those people. he's lost his foot and leg up to the knee and now his leg up to the knee teoonee— and now his leg up to the knee because exactly- and now his leg up to the knee because exactly of- and now his leg up to the knee because exactly of the conditions - because exactly of the conditions that you describe . conditions that you describe. ant— conditions that you describe. ant iv— conditions that you describe. nnt toy-vvon— conditions that you describe. ant bv-wavv foet- conditions that you describe. and by way, just i do want and by the way, just i do want to teet— and by the way, just i do want to feet eov— and by the way, just i do want to feet eov o— and by the way, just i do want to just say a pause and respect to just say a pause and respect to voe— to just say a pause and respect to you, because- to just say a pause and respect to you, because you actually ioet— to you, because you actually ioet tne— to you, because you actually lost the equivalent of me in nove— lost the equivalent of me in wove-tit— lost the equivalent of me in ways.did eight- lost the equivalent of me in. ways.did eight-|'ve ways you did eight stone. i've put— ways you did eight stone. i've netliittie— ways you did eight stone. i've putllittle bit- ways you did eight stone. i've put little bit more back on, put a little bit more back on, net— put a little bit more back on, tet tn— put a little bit more back on, tet to noon— put a little bit more back on, but i'm back in- put a little bit more back on, but i'm back in the gym. but toot— but i'm back in the gym. but tent is— but i'm back in the gym. but that is literally- but i'm back in the gym. but that is literally like, you piggybacking around for life. piggybacking me around for life. thatis piggybacking me around for life. that is the equivalent of what you— that is the equivalent of what you toen— that is the equivalent of what voe toet. non.— that is the equivalent of what you lost. yeah. well done . i you lost. yeah. well done. i neeneot— you lost. yeah. well done. i neeneot tnot— you lost. yeah. well done. i respect that achievement. i neoiiv— respect that achievement. i neoitv to. — respect that achievement. i really do. ben- respect that achievement. i really do. ben habib, many neonte— really do. ben habib, many neonte one— really do. ben habib, many people are saying the government neete— people are saying the government neete to— people are saying the government neete to eten— people are saying the government needs to step in.- people are saying the government needs to step in. do- people are saying the government needs to step in. do they really 7 needs to step in. do they really z vent.— needs to step in. do they really z veon. ant— needs to step in. do they really ? yeah. and that's- needs to step in. do they really ? yeah. and that's my- needs to step in. do they really ? yeah. and that's my issue. you know, every time we have a problem or a crisis, nothing is ever just a problem. nowadays, everjust a problem. nowadays, everything is a crisis. so this is 5 million is a lot of people and but it's not a government issue . it's a personal issue. it's a personal responsibility issue. and i think tom's journey is really instructive. it was tom coming

to terms with what tom had to do to terms with what tom had to do to save tom. and you can't have government micromanaging what we eat. i know borisjohnson government micromanaging what we eat. i know boris johnson had this idea of was it two years ago to have an app that actually monitored how many greens we eat each day? and for supermarkets to be guiding us towards more healthy food? but how invasive kyiv are we going to be in people's lives? ultimately, i think the state has far too much influence over our lives. already we see that both through regulation and the tax system. if they're going to start telling us now what to eat and how to live our lives, i think that's too far. that's a step too far. absolutely. it has to be done through the education system. teachers need to be telling children what's good for them. and sense of personal and that sense of personal well—being needs to be inculcated. but that's not government's job. that is parental job. and i'd say some of the parents that you were accusing of being bad i accusing of being bad parents, i mean , sorry, bad parents, is mean, sorry, bad parents, is choosing them. no, no. pointing out they choosing them. no, no. pointing oet-tnev one— choosing them. no, no. pointing out.they are absolutely. , g \ti:::i pointing out they are absolutely bad out that they are absolutely bad toeen-t— out that they are absolutely bad toeen-t even— out that they are absolutely bad doesn't even begin to describe.

net— doesn't even begin to describe. net tnen— doesn't even begin to describe. not then is— doesn't even begin to describe. but there is bad- doesn't even begin to describe. but there is bad parenting- doesn't even begin to describe. but there is bad parenting in parents who don't explain to their children that they've got to exercise lies, that they've got to eat healthily . that is got to eat healthily. that is bad parenting. you know , and it bad parenting. you know, and it starts at a home. should continue at school. and if you you should you've got continue at school. and if you to take responsibility. to take personal responsibility. l, to take personal responsibility. i, i would personally bring back vnot— i, i would personally bring back vnot-net— i, i would personally bring back vnot-eeet to— i, i would personally bring back what.used to call- i, i would personally bring back what used to call home what they used to call home economics because i think that so economics because i think that eo nonv— economics because i think that eo nonv-tneee- economics because i think that so many these days, they economics because i think that so mtknow these days, they economics because i think that so mtknow how these days, they economics because i think that so mtknow how to ese days, they economics because i think that so mtknow how to cook ays, they economics because i think that so mtknow how to cook i'm they don't know how to cook i'm tienten— don't know how to cook i'm blender.the- don't know how to cook i'm blender.the food. don't know how to cook i'm blender the food companies blender says the food companies are blender says the food companies noeeittv— blender says the food companies are possibly quite- blender says the food companies are possibly quite as guilty as tnoee— are possibly quite as guilty as tnoee neonte— are possibly quite as guilty as those people who are obese . i those people who are obese. i tnint— those people who are obese. i tnint vnot— those people who are obese. i think what she's- those people who are obese. i think what she's saying there is too neon— think what she's saying there is too much hidden- think what she's saying there is too much hidden this and that. ant— too much hidden this and that. antltnot— too much hidden this and that. and.that fair? - too much hidden this and that. and that fair? “43?“ too much hidden this and that. and that fair? / and is that fair? yeah, i think it is fair and i mean, ben's right to degree . we, the right to a degree. we, the individual has to decide that they're going to get fit and they're going to get fit and they're going to deal with it. and it's hard. you have to really change. you have to change habits change your habits that sometimes are lifelong. but i always it as the system always describe it as the system stacked against you. the two for one supermarkets, it's one offers in supermarkets, it's always the sugary stuff you know, the labels are impossible to understand what you're putting yourself. it's only

putting in yourself. it's only recently you're in some recently that if you're in some of the big restaurants, you know what the calorie intake is. tom come on. you know that if you sit come on. you know that if you eit tnen— come on. you know that if you eit tnene ont— come on. you know that if you sit there and you're- , tiff" you know that if you sit there and you're eating, i ton-t— sit there and you're eating, i ton-t tnovv— sit there and you're eating, i don't know, chips, kebabs, ice oneonlton-t— don't know, chips, kebabs, ice cream,.don't need- don't know, chips, kebabs, ice cream, don't need easy to cream, you don't need an easy to understand.— cream, you don't need an easy to understand-that- cream, you don't need an easy to understand-that to- cream, you don't need an easy to understand. that to make cream, you don't need an easy to undirealise. that to make cream, you don't need an easy to undirealise. actually, it to make cream, you don't need an easy to undirealise. actually, ifto make cream, you don't need an easy to undirealise. actually, if i» make cream, you don't need an easy to undirealise. actually, if i eat|ke you realise. actually, if i eat toads— you realise. actually, if i eat loads of— you realise. actually, if i eat loads of those,— you realise. actually, if i eat loads of those, i'm literally just— loads of those, i'm literally just going— loads of those, i'm literally just going to— loads of those, i'm literally just going to become fat. will just going to become fat. well, it wasn-t— just going to become fat. well, it wasn't until— just going to become fat. well, it wasn't until i— just going to become fat. well, it wasn't until i read the daily mail go to you go to costa mail you go to you go to costa coffee, you could get it's a creamy a thick creamy coffee obe with a thick that can have more than 2000 calories in until i saw that on a label, i didn't know. i never had that coffee, the way. but had that coffee, by the way. but some do. so it is some people do. and so it is absolutely true that people don't know what they put in the value they put in value of what they put in themselves. that's i themselves. and that's why i think partnership between think it's a partnership between the the individual the state and the individual pubuc the state and the individual public health is really important. we're closing our swimming because the swimming pools because the swimming pools because the swimming pools because the swimming pools haven't got the you know, because of the energy policies. say to people, you know, because of the energy poliand say to people, you know, because of the energy poliand be say to people, you know, because of the energy poliand be healthy. 3eople, you know, because of the energy poliand be healthy. how.e, you know, because of the energy poliand be healthy. how can they out and be healthy. how can they do it.7 and removing the buying fresh fruit and veg is sometimes is no more expensive than buying cheap, processed food that

cheap, ultra processed food that people on low incomes have to buy pay the family bills . so buy to pay the family bills. so it's partnership. it's not it's a partnership. it's not just one or the other. all ltimately it's down to individual choice. but you can help people on that journey and it's the country's interest it's in the country's interest to as i said, to do that because as i said, we're not. the nhs is going to collapse through diabetes alone. we spend 10% of the nhs budget on diabetes is 10. that is a huge on diabetes is 10. that is a nugo onnoutt— on diabetes is 10. that is a huge amount, isn't- t: 0 that is a huge amount, isn't it.7 i need to be huge amount, isn't it.7 i need to to ttunt— huge amount, isn't it.7 i need to to ttunt. tt— huge amount, isn't it.7 i need to be blunt. it does— huge amount, isn't it.7 i need to be blunt. it does actually start nttn— be blunt. it does actually start nttn you. — be blunt. it does actually start nttn you. ant— be blunt. it does actually start nttn you. ant .— be blunt. it does actually start with you. and i think until you note— with you. and i think until you note tnot— with you. and i think until you make that decision admirable. ono— make that decision admirable. ono tnot— make that decision admirable. ono tnot ton — make that decision admirable. one that tom himself, until you noto— one that tom himself, until you note tnot— one that tom himself, until you make that decision, doesn't matter— make that decision, doesn't matter what _ make that decision, doesn't matter what anyone else or onytntng— matter what anyone else or onytntng etno— matter what anyone else or anything else is— matter what anyone else or anything else is going on, it noo— anything else is going on, it nos to— anything else is going on, it nos to ston— anything else is going on, it has to start with— anything else is going on, it has to start with you. could you note— has to start with you. could you note tnot— has to start with you. could you make that decision— has to start with you. could you make that decision for yourself, for make that decision for yourself, tot yout— make that decision for yourself, to your nost— make that decision for yourself, for your kids? i— make that decision for yourself, for your kids? i don't know. you tott— for your kids? i don't know. you tott no.— for your kids? i don't know. you tott att— for your kids? i don't know. you tell me. all the— for your kids? i don't know. you tell me. all the usual. always gutot— tell me. all the usual. always gutot noon.— tell me. all the usual. always quick break. when i come back, ot— quick break. when i come back, ot yout— quick break. when i come back, more of your thoughts. but also nont— more of your thoughts. but also wont-tott— more of your thoughts. but also want talk gambling. the want to talk gambling. the nontn— want to talk gambling. the premier league— want to talk gambling. the premier league decided to premier league have decided to stop— premier league have decided to stop-otonoonntn- premier league have decided to stop sponsorship on stop gambling sponsorship on nont— stop gambling sponsorship on front—shares.- stop gambling sponsorship oni front—shares. good front of matchday shares. good toot. — front of matchday shares. good toot. -tt— front of matchday shares. good toot. it go— front of matchday shares. good toot. it go tot— front of matchday shares. good idea. it go far enough or idea. does it go far enough or no nnen— idea. does it go far enough or no where near your thoughts and i'll no where near your thoughts and m oo— no where near your thoughts and m you—

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in two. hi i in two. hi there.j i in two.- hi there. i'm | tn two.— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry ont— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry ont tn— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry ont tn toogtng— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company ngnt— and i'm keeping you company ngnt tntougn— and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. non— right through till 7:00 tonight. non nontn— right through till 7:00 tonight. ben habib, the— right through till 7:00 tonight. ben habib, the of first ben habib, the ceo of first ntoootty— ben habib, the ceo of first progeny enoug— ben habib, the ceo of first property group a member of property group and a member of the property group and a member of to tototn— property group and a member of the reform party,— property group and a member of the reform party, me the reform party, keeps me company— the reform party, keeps me oongony .— the reform party, keeps me oongony , oo— the reform party, keeps me company , as tom watson, the company, as does tom watson, the toner— company, as does tom watson, the totnot—ot— company, as does tom watson, the totnot—ot tno- former deputy leader of the totout— former deputy leader of thei labour_ back, labour party. welcome back, everybodv- — labour party. welcome back, everybodv- .ot- labour party. welcome back, everybody. of divided everybody. lots of divided ootnton— everybody. lots of divided ogtnton .— everybody. lots of divided opinion, i have- everybody. lots of divided opinion, i have to say , on the opinion, i have to say, on the nurses strikes— opinion, i have to say, on the nurses strikes .— opinion, i have to say, on the nurses strikes . some of you nurses strikes. some of you otootutoty— nurses strikes. some of you absolutely backing them, saying that absolutely backing them, saying tnot tnen— absolutely backing them, saying that there needs— absolutely backing them, saying that there needs to be valued nuon — that there needs to be valued much more other— that there needs to be valued much more other people. you're totng— much more other people. you're totng-tuto. — much more other people. you're being rude. actually. being quite rude. actually. i wont— being quite rude. actually. i wont ntno— being quite rude. actually. i won't mince my— being quite rude. actually. i won't mince my words. you've noon— won't mince my words. you've been gutte— won't mince my words. you've been quite rude.— won't mince my words. you've been quite rude. you would think tnot— been quite rude. you would think tnot-tootty— been quite rude. you would think that-really should- been quite rude. you would think that really should just get that they really should just get toot— that they really should just get took to— that they really should just get took to wont.— that they really should just get back to work. certainly dividing you tno— back to work. certainly dividing you the diabetes— back to work. certainly dividing you the diabetes one again. you know,— you the diabetes one again. you know, .— you the diabetes one again. you know, . noutt— you the diabetes one again. you know, i would say— you the diabetes one again. you know, i would say that you're otnoot— know, i would say that you're almost divided— know, i would say that you're almost divided on that one. many toonto— almost divided on that one. many people stung— almost divided on that one. many people saving is_ almost divided on that one. many people saying is the food tntuotn-o— people saying is the food industry's fault or the people stung— industry's fault or the people toytng tnot— industry's fault or the people saying that actually it's a lack of motivation _ saying that actually it's a lack of motivation for— saying that actually it's a lack of motivation for one self. joan in of motivation for one self. joan tn deton— of motivation for one self. joan tn devon stou— of motivation for one self. joan in devon says, i've—

of motivation for one self. joan in devon says, i've been a type ttototto— in devon says, i've been a type one diabetic for— in devon says, i've been a type one diabetic for 60— in devon says, i've been a type one diabetic for 60 years. toute— one diabetic for 60 years. you-to stung— one diabetic for 60 years. you're saying that you do tottoto— you're saying that you do believe that— you're saying that you do believe that it— you're saying that you do believe that it was because you tttn-t— believe that it was because you tttn-t toot— believe that it was because you didn't look after— believe that it was because you didn't look after yourself and you-to— didn't look after yourself and you-to toen— didn't look after yourself and you've been frightened by a ttognooto— you've been frightened by a diagnosis and— you've been frightened by a diagnosis and some of the things tnot— diagnosis and some of the things tnot you-to— diagnosis and some of the things that you've learned _ diagnosis and some of the things that you've learned along the way— that you've learned along the way ,_ that you've learned along the way , tots— that you've learned along the way , tots ot— that you've learned along the way , lots of you— that you've learned along the way , lots of you actually way, lots of you actually gotttng— way, lots of you actually gotttng tn— way, lots of you actually getting in touch about your your ttototoo— getting in touch about your your diabetes experiences. also as nett— diabetes experiences. also as not janet— diabetes experiences. also as well, jane, about— diabetes experiences. also as well, jane, about that top tonto— well, jane, about that top topto, nnen— well, jane, about that top topic, where i— well, jane, about that top topic, where i was talking about the topic, where i was talking about to ontttton— topic, where i was talking about the children being— topic, where i was talking about the children being murdered. snoo— the children being murdered. sno-t toytng— the children being murdered. she's saying that she's a tootutot— she's saying that she's a lecturer in— she's saying that she's a lecturer in youth studies and otnot— lecturer in youth studies and some other things. it's a very tong— some other things. it's a very tong onott— some other things. it's a very tong onott oo— some other things. it's a very long email, so i'll— some other things. it's a very long email, so i'll paraphrase it. long email, so i'll paraphrase tt. nut— long email, so i'll paraphrase tt. nut unat— long email, so i'll paraphrase it. but what she's— long email, so i'll paraphrase it. but what she's basically stung— it. but what she's basically saying-doesn't- it. but what she's basically saying doesn't feel it's saying is she doesn't feel it's a-workerslfault. - a social workers at fault. she toots— a social workers at fault. she tooto tt-o— a social workers at fault. she feels it's the— a social workers at fault. she feels it's the caseloads. they gust— feels it's the caseloads. they gust ttnpty— feels it's the caseloads. they just simply have— feels it's the caseloads. they just simply have too many tontttoo— just simply have too many families-look- just simply have too many families look after. what families to look after. what one-o— families to look after. what she's—entire. she's saying is the entire system — she's saying is the entirei system _overhaul she's saying is the entire. system _overhaul . she's saying is the entire- system _overhaul . let's system needs an overhaul. let's tne— system needs an overhaul. let's move on. the premier league is tostsotty— move on. the premier league is tosteotty soytng— move on. the premier league is basically saying they're basically saying that they're going— basically saying that they're going gambling going to withdraw gambling sponsotsntt— going to withdraw gamblingl sponsorship—of sponsorship from the front of tnen— sponsorship from the front of tnett-snttts- sponsorship from the front of their- shirts by- sponsorship from the front of their shirts by the sponsorship from the front of. their-shirts by the end their matchday shirts by the end of their matchday shirts by the end ot tne— their matchday shirts by the end ot tne zsze— their matchday shirts by the end of the 2526 season. i'm just going— of the 2526 season. i'm just gotng to— of the 2526 season. i'm just gotng to out— of the 2526 season. i'm just gotng to out to— of the 2526 season. i'm just going to cut to the chase. ben nontn— going to cut to the chase. ben tottt, wnen— going to cut to the chase. ben habib, when it— going to cut to the chase. ben habib, when it comes to gomtttng— habib, when it comes to gomtttng, to— habib, when it comes to gambling, do you just think we snoutt— gambling, do you just think we snoutt gust— gambling, do you just think we snoutt tust soy— gambling, do you just think we should just say right, no ottetttstng— should just say right, no advertising of— should just say right, no advertising of gambling somomtes— advertising of gambling companies at all or not? no i ton-t— companies at all or not? no i

ton-t tntnt— companies at all or not? no i don't think that, _ companies at all or not? no i don't think that, you know, as you— don't think that, you know, as you otototty— don't think that, you know, as you probably know, michel, you mott— you probably know, michel, you know, t-m— you probably know, michel, you know, t-m o— you probably know, michel, you know, i'm a believer in libertarianism and i'm a tettetet— libertarianism and i'm a believer that— libertarianism and i'm a believer that people need to mote— believer that people need to mote tnen— believer that people need to make their own— believer that people need to make their own decisions and tone— make their own decisions and tote petsonot— make their own decisions and take personal responsibility make their own decisions and taktdecisions responsibility make their own decisions and taktdecisions they onsibility make their own decisions and taktdecisions they make. ity make their own decisions and taktdecisions they make. it) ' t: the decisions they make. and, you— the decisions they make. and, you mott— the decisions they make. and, you tnen. ttts— the decisions they make. and, you know, this continual sort of ingress of a nanny state almost wetness, as i've described it before, state into our lives has to stop this is a slightly different issue because this is premier league, which is a private entity deciding that they're going to do something which is obviously entirely their prerogative, but but really, need to really, people need to understand what their limits are financially , whether or not they financially, whether or not they can afford to bet and what a what bet is, is an appropriate one given the financial means. i enjoy betting. i enjoy from time to time backing a horse at the races. and i'm going to probably have a go. this is it. this saturday, you know. aintree is this saturday, so i'll probably have a look at the form and put a couple of quid on, but i wouldn't do more than a couple of quid. yeah > but then people

utt— of quid. yeah > but then people ttttt te— of quid. yeah > but then people will be watching— of quid. yeah > but then people will be watching that— t: t: / > but then people will be watching that and saying,— will be watching that and soytng, nett— will be watching that and saying, well good for you, but tnot-s— saying, well good for you, but mots-you— saying, well good for you, but that's-you don't- saying, well good for you, but that's you don't have that's because you don't have unet— that's because you don't have unot—tne- that's because you don't have- what_the disease what some would say the disease of what some would say the disease ot—vetn.— what some would say the disease ot—vetn. tut- what some would say the disease of_yeah, but are- what some would say the disease of_yeah, but are we. of addiction. yeah, but are we going to manage the entire society afflictions society based on the afflictions of that's where of a minority? and that's where government's mean, that government's gone. i mean, that is my definition of woke, you know, the the expanse know, it's the it's the expanse of made to protect and of policy made to protect and promote ostensibly the interests of a minority, which then begin to affect the majority. and we've got to get away from this. we've got to stop this. people have got to stand up for themselves, think their own positions through make their own decisions and be personally responsible. tom decisions and be personally responsible . tom watson i called responsible. tom watson i called for responsible. tom watson i called tot o— responsible. tom watson i called tot o ton— responsible. tom watson i called tot o ton on— tom watson i called for a ban on sponsorship about me— for a ban on sponsorship about ttte yeots— for a ban on sponsorship about ttye yeots ogo— for a ban on sponsorship about five years ago and— for a ban on sponsorship about five years ago and good on the meme— five years ago and good on the premier league— five years ago and good on the premier league for doing it. one of premier league for doing it. one ot tne— premier league for doing it. one of the particular— premier league for doing it. one of the particular issues with tnts— of the particular issues with tnts ts— of the particular issues with tnts ts tt— of the particular issues with tnts ts tt tt— of the particular issues with this is it it wasn't uk gambling tttms— this is it it wasn't uk gambling tttms tnot— this is it it wasn't uk gambling firms that were— this is it it wasn't uk gambling firms that were the predominant ottetttsets. — firms that were the predominant advertisers. it— firms that were the predominant advertisers. it was— firms that were the predominant advertisers. it was gambling tttms— advertisers. it was gambling tttms tn— advertisers. it was gambling firms in other— advertisers. it was gambling firms in other jurisdictions , firms in other jurisdictions, nottons— firms in other jurisdictions, nations who— firms in other jurisdictions, nations who aren't subject to tne— nations who aren't subject to the regulations— nations who aren't subject to the regulations that the uk gomtttng— the regulations that the uk gambling sector have in the uk. ant— gambling sector have in the uk. ant so— gambling sector have in the uk. ant so tt— gambling sector have in the uk.

and so it wasn't— gambling sector have in the uk. and so it wasn't just uncompetitive, it was unfair teetuse— uncompetitive, it was unfair teetuse tney— uncompetitive, it was unfair because they could they didn't note — because they could they didn't note tne — because they could they didn't have the responsibilities to men— have the responsibilities to their customers— have the responsibilities to their customers that we make uk gomtttng— their customers that we make uk gtmtttng tttms— their customers that we make uk gambling firms have in the end, this gambling firms have in the end, tnts ts— gambling firms have in the end, tnts ts stout— gambling firms have in the end, this is about a— gambling firms have in the end, this is about a deal, right? tt-s— this is about a deal, right? tt-s t— this is about a deal, right? it's a regulated— this is about a deal, right? it's a regulated market. it's going— it's a regulated market. it's gotng to— it's a regulated market. it's going to government and tegutttot— going to government and regulator to— going to government and regulator to set the framework unten— regulator to set the framework which gambling— regulator to set the framework which gambling companies can operate— which gambling companies can operate unten— which gambling companies can operate under to— which gambling companies can operate under to allow people to note— operate under to allow people to note a— operate under to allow people to have a flutter— operate under to allow people to have a flutter safely . because have a flutter safely. because unet— have a flutter safely. because untt ne— have a flutter safely. because untt tte ott— have a flutter safely. because what we all want— have a flutter safely. because what we all want is people to be otte— what we all want is people to be ttte to— what we all want is people to be ttte to tet— what we all want is people to be able to bet on— what we all want is people to be able to bet on the— what we all want is people to be able to bet on the grand tottontt— able to bet on the grand national or— able to bet on the grand national or go. i had three days at cheltenham_ national or go. i had three days at cheltenham this year. you soutt— at cheltenham this year. you soutt note— at cheltenham this year. you could have a— at cheltenham this year. you could have a flutter, but when tntngs— could have a flutter, but when tntngs go— could have a flutter, but when tntngs go mong— could have a flutter, but when tntngs go wrong .— could have a flutter, but when things go wrong , the sector things go wrong, the sector totes— things go wrong, the sector takes responsibility for that tnt— takes responsibility for that tnt netns— takes responsibility for that and helps those people who are in and helps those people who are tn nottems— and helps those people who are in problems with— and helps those people who are in problems with their gambling. i'm in problems with their gambling. t-m tntetestet— in problems with their gambling. i'm interested to— in problems with their gambling. i'm interested to hear— in problems with their gambling. i'm interested to hear from - in problems with their gambling. i'm interested to hear from you tonight. are you somebody that does have problem with does have a problem with gambling perhaps has had one gambling or perhaps has had one or someone in your family because when have someone because when you have someone with doesn't with an addiction, it doesn't just person just affect the person it affects. many the other affects. so many of the other family members . you the family members. do you think the government enough, too government does enough, too much or thoughts gb views or what? your thoughts gb views that gbnews.uk is how you can reach me. i'm going to take a

quick break. when we come back, i've got the most bizarre video i've got the most bizarre video i seen, quite i think i've ever seen, quite frankly, it's all to do with bena. frankly, it's all to do with berta . i'd do you support that berta. i'd do you support that as a concept you .

in two. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. ben habib , the ceo of first ben habib, the ceo of first property group and a member of the reform party, keeps me company as does tom watson, the former of the former deputy leader of the labour now, know that labour party. now, i know that in last segment i was in that last segment i was talking all about health, healthy eating and healthy drinking. to indulge my utter drinking. so to indulge my utter hypocrisy now because juburi tavern is open, it is friday night, after all. so i'm going to have a little cheeky cheers and a cheers whilst i. cheers. oh, cheers . do you see that? oh, cheers. do you see that? that was a that was a passionate cheers from ben albie that nearly fell off his own stool,

leaning in for a cheers. well, i always think you _ leaning in for a cheers. well, i always think you have- leaning in for a cheers. well, i always think you have to- cit?" t; i , well, i always think you have to clink gttsses. — always think you have to clink gtosses. ves— always think you have to clink glasses. yes, that's- always think you have to clink glasses. flit; i glasses. yes, that's dedication. i like it. you managed to say. i just want to say there's a vodka in mug. but you've only got in this mug. but you've only got two in this mug. but you've only got tttoon- — in this mug. but you've only got tttoon- et— in this mug. but you've only got two-on. gb news.- i t; but you've only got two on. gb news. you've two glasses on. gb news. you've got to— two glasses on. gb news. you've got to toe— two glasses on. gb news. you've got to gtte me— two glasses on. gb news. you've got to gtte me o— two glasses on. gb news. you've got to give me a vodka glass. mett— got to give me a vodka glass. wet, tte-e— got to give me a vodka glass. well, we're not— got to give me a vodka glass. well, we're not funded by the ttxptyen — well, we're not funded by the ttxptyen ltte— well, we're not funded by the taxpayer. iwe- be - well, we're not funded by the taxpayer. iwe - be so - taxpayer. we can't be so frivolous. we manage funds frivolous. we manage our funds carefully and effectively and efficiently. and he is drinking vodka because the calories. vodka because of the calories. 60 calories. yes he 60 calories. 60 calories. yes he says drinks mug of straight says he drinks a mug of straight vodka. got soda water in vodka. it's got soda water in it. it's not straight. that's me teasing. erg. take it. it's not straight. that's me telook]. erg. take it. it's not straight. that's me telook and erg. take it. it's not straight. that's me telook and a erg. take it. it's not straight. that's me telook and a listen erg. take it. it's not straight. that's me telook and a listen to erg. take it. it's not straight. that's me telook and a listen to this. take a look and a listen to this. it's a track i've got something to say about may's local elections. the tea dog spitting tots— elections. the tea dog spitting tots stout— elections. the tea dog spitting bars about voter— elections. the tea dog spitting bars about voter id— , the tea dog spitting bars about voter id selection. so bars about voter id selection. so mote— bars about voter id selection. so mote sure— bars about voter id selection. so make sure you— bars about voter id selection. so make sure you bring it or you-tt— so make sure you bring it or you'll receive— so make sure you bring it or you'll receive rejection, neg-eeton— you'll receive rejection, rejection, rejection . some may rejection, rejection. some may sett— rejection, rejection. some may set tt— rejection, rejection. some may call it suppression, but don't be e— call it suppression, but don't be e suttet— call it suppression, but don't be a square. it's— call it suppression, but don't be a square. it's about making tnts— be a square. it's about making sure this election— be a square. it's about making sure this election is fair. your pgggpgg— sure this election is fair. your ptssgon, yout— sure this election is fair. your passport, your driving licence, vou— passport, your driving licence, you get— passport, your driving licence, you get tne— passport, your driving licence, you get tne gtst— passport, your driving licence, you get the gist -_ passport, your driving licence, you get the gist . hop online to you get the gist. hop online to tne— you get the gist. hop online to tne tutt— you get the gist. hop online to see the full extensive list .

see the full extensive list. now: _ see the full extensive list. tow. t-m — see the full extensive list. tow. t-m not— see the full extensive list. now, i'm not a— see the full extensive list. now, i'm not a middle- see the full extensive list. now, i'm not a middle aged man and don't have teenage children. right? but i and don't have teenage children. right? but i can imagine what you've just seen there. and if you've just seen there. and if you didn't it, trust me, if you didn't see it, trust me, if you're listening, you're not watching. just trust me. right? you've favour. you've done yourself a favour. not because you not seeing that because you won't to it. it won't be able to unsee it. it was a middle aged man prancing around you around doing what i think you call kind of like squat frost, do you call it that? bouncing up call kind of like squat frost, do ydown? it that? bouncing up call kind of like squat frost, do ydown? yeah. t? bouncing up call kind of like squat frost, do ydown? yeah. yeah.incing up call kind of like squat frost, do ydown? yeah. yeah. squatsip and down? yeah. yeah. squats open leg squats on stairs as ties everywhere. it was all very odd, very cringe worthy. and i dread to think what is teenage kids would think. anyway, that was trevor holden, managing director district director of broadland district and south norfolk council . the and south norfolk council. the reason he was rapping was because a voter id, of course, you'll be aware that the local elections are coming up in may and get this i in 4 people don't know that you need id to vote . know that you need id to vote. are you one of them? do you know that you need an id or not? tom watson, do you agree with this whole kind of voter id premise? i would agree with having to give identification if there was actually a significant problem

with fraud , but there's with voter fraud, but there's absolutely no evidence for it. so i think it's actually an overregulated_ so i think it's actually an overregulated thing . and i've overregulated thing. and i've tttttys— overregulated thing. and i've tttttys tett— overregulated thing. and i've always felt very— overregulated thing. and i've always felt very anxious. i feel guttty— always felt very anxious. i feel guttty tntt— always felt very anxious. i feel guttty tnot t— always felt very anxious. i feel guilty that i was— always felt very anxious. i feel guilty that i was involved with the guilty that i was involved with tne zoos— guilty that i was involved with the 2005 proceeds of crime act, unten— the 2005 proceeds of crime act, unton metns— the 2005 proceeds of crime act, which means you— the 2005 proceeds of crime act, which means you have to give you— which means you have to give your to— which means you have to give your id everywhere if you want to sett— your id everywhere if you want to sett t— your id everywhere if you want to sell a house,— your id everywhere if you want to sell a house, you have to toe— to sell a house, you have to gtte-tgent- to sell a house, you have to gtte-tgent t- to sell a house, you have to- give-agent a passport. give an estate agent a passport. i give an estate agent a passport. t tootogtse— give an estate agent a passport. t tootogtse to— give an estate agent a passport. i apologise to gb— give an estate agent a passport. i apologise to gb news viewers for i apologise to gb news viewers tot tntt— i apologise to gb news viewers for that because— i apologise to gb news viewers for that because voted for that because i voted for mot.— for that because i voted for mot—me- for that because i voted for mot—me t- for that because i voted for that._me a biti for that because i voted for- that._me a bit daft that. it seems to me a bit daft tntt— that. it seems to me a bit daft tntt tntt— that. it seems to me a bit daft that that people— that. it seems to me a bit daft that that people we're going to note— that that people we're going to have _thousands- that that people we're going to have thousands people have many thousands of people tum— have many thousands of people tum-to— have many thousands of people tumlto tote— have many thousands of people turn-to vote with— have many thousands of people turn to vote with their turn up to vote with their gotttng— turn up to vote with their totttng out. — turn up to vote with their polling card. that's been sent to-nomes— polling card. that's been sent to homes because they've to their homes because they've tegtstetet — to their homes because they've registered-and- to their homes because they've registered and given a registered to vote and given a stgnttute— registered to vote and given a signature .they're- registered to vote and given a signature they're not going signature and they're not going to-to— signature and they're not going to-to-because- to be able to vote because tney-te— to be able to vote because tney-te-gtte- to be able to vote because tney-te-gtte t- to be able to vote because they've give a passport they've got to give a passport or they've got to give a passport otltttttng— they've got to give a passport orldriving licence.- they've got to give a passport or driving licence. younger or a driving licence. younger peonte— people are more used to ttoytttng— people are more used to providing now, i think providing id now, but i think otter— providing id now, but i think older-they're- providing id now, but i think older they're still not older people, they're still not met— older people, they're still not uset-ant— older people, they're still not used _andldon't- older people, they're still not used and don't think used to it. and i don't think i tntnt— used to it. and i don't think i tntnt t— used to it. and i don't think i think i think— used to it. and i don't think i think i think it's— used to it. and i don't think i think i think it's going to be a ntottem — think i think it's going to be a ntottem ltne— think i think it's going to be a problem .the next- think i think it's going to be a problem the next at the next problem at the next at the next eteetton. — problem at the next at the next election. would— problem at the next at the next election. would you?- problem at the next at the next election. : «tztgct.7’ , problem at the next at the next election. : «tztgc’t7 , �*" election. would you? because if you don't have, don't know, you don't have, i don't know, like, a passport driving like, say, a passport driving licence whatever, you can licence or whatever, you can actually one of these actually apply for one of these things. me just give its things. let me just give it its correct title. called voter correct title. they called voter authority that authority certificates. that makes lot formal

makes it sound a lot more formal than id card. what do than just an id card. what do you to old ben? well, i you make to old ben? well, i mean, you can't— you make to old ben? well, i mean, you can't move- you make to old ben? well, i mean, you can't move in- titt: 7 well, i mean, you can't move in business ttttnout— mean, you can't move in business without identifying— mean, you can't move in business without identifying you are, without identifying who you are, exntotntng— explaining how you got your mony— explaining how you got your money-yout- explaining how you got your. money,-your-your money, where your where your money-s— money, where your where your moneys gotng— money, where your where your moneys gotng tn— money, where your where your money's going in the channels. you-te— money's going in the channels. voue tutttng— money's going in the channels. you're putting through you're putting it through the ttttety— you're putting it through the g.ng.y_,- you're putting it through the g.ne.y_, ottl you're putting it through the. bribery_, all these bribery act, the fca, all these teguttttons— bribery act, the fca, all these regulations constrain business. so regulations constrain business. so tt-s— regulations constrain business. so tt-s not— regulations constrain business. so it's not surprising, i suppose— so it's not surprising, i suppose .— so it's not surprising, i suppose , that, you know, voter suppose, that, you know, voter id suppose, that, you know, voter tt ts— suppose, that, you know, voter to ts gotng— suppose, that, you know, voter to ts gotng tn— suppose, that, you know, voter id is going in this— suppose, that, you know, voter id is going in this direction. totmtt— id is going in this direction. normal albie— id is going in this direction. normal albie you'd expect my stte— normal albie you'd expect my stte ot— normal albie you'd expect my stte ot tne— normal albie you'd expect my side of the debate to be against it. side of the debate to be against tt. tunntty— side of the debate to be against it. funnily enough,— side of the debate to be against it. funnily enough, i kind of suttott— it. funnily enough, i kind of sunnott tt— it. funnily enough, i kind of support it because i think it is very— support it because i think it is very tmnotttnt— support it because i think it is very important that elections snoutt— very important that elections snoutt te— very important that elections should be fair— very important that elections should be fair and that people eon-t— should be fair and that people eon-t . — should be fair and that people eon-t . ate— should be fair and that people eon-t . ate you— should be fair and that people can't . ' ”iii: t; should be fair and that people can't . ”iii: t; nitii should be fair and that people can't . ' ii t; ctii can't. are you saying are you saying that i'm a better libertarian than you are? no, no, no, no, no, no, no. hear that, no, no, no, no, no, no. hear tntt, teete— no, no, no, no, no, no. hear that, dear? never- hear that, dear? never thought you'd nett— that, dear? never thought you'd nett tug,— that, dear? never thought you'd hear that, dear.— that, dear? never thought you'd hear that, dear. i— that, dear? never thought you'd hear that, dear. i think there z— hear that, dear. i think there are 2 million— hear that, dear. i think there are 2 million people in the country— are 2 million people in the country uno— are 2 million people in the country who are- are 2 million people in the country who are voting age who ton-t— country who are voting age who ton-t-totmtt— country who are voting age who don't-formal.so- country who are voting age who don't formal so you don't have formal id, so you knott— don't have formal id, so you know, tney— don't have formal id, so you know, they are— don't have formal id, so you know, they are disenfranchised by know, they are disenfranchised ty tntt. — know, they are disenfranchised ty tntt. ant— know, they are disenfranchised by that. and that— know, they are disenfranchised by that. 't: know, they are disenfranchised by that. t: know, they are disenfranchised by that. 't: by that. and that that is an issue. the real problem with issue. but the real problem with voter the extent there voter fraud, to the extent there is problem , isn't with people is a problem, isn't with people turning booths. it's turning up to the booths. it's with votes . postal votes with postal votes. postal votes is system is really is where the system is really abused. and we had first hand

experience of that with the brexit party. you might recall this, in by—election this, michel, in the by—election in peterborough, where, you know, we felt we were robbed because of postal vote and because of the postal vote and i wouldn't begin to cast aspersions on the labour party, but it was the labour party that we were looking at and you know , there's whole trade around , there's a whole trade around going around to people's going around to old people's homes, making sure that they fill know, the, the box fill the, you know, the, the box in where you know, where you want their vote , false want their vote, false registrations and constituencies in order to sway a particular vote, particularly in marginal constituencies and so on. and postal votes are completely unaudhed. postal votes are completely unaudited . there's no id there. unaudited. there's no id there. you're reading the mind of my ten— you're reading the mind of my ot— you're reading the mind of my view of brenda. _ you're reading the mind of my view of brenda. you're not that mento— view of brenda. you're not that tnentt. tntt— view of brenda. you're not that brenda, that said,— view of brenda. you're not that brenda, that said, not another onet— brenda, that said, not another snee— brenda, that said, not another one, was she? brenda i think she mento— one, was she? brenda i think she was brenda from _ one, was she? brenda i think she was brenda from bristol anyway. mento— was brenda from bristol anyway. tnentt stys— was brenda from bristol anyway. brenda says postal voting is the ttggest— brenda says postal voting is the ttggest ttttte— brenda says postal voting is the biggest fiddle going. you two are so aligned— biggest fiddle going. you two are so aligned and you're tntnttng— are so aligned and you're thinking when— are so aligned and you're thinking when you say that, you ton-t— thinking when you say that, you ton-t tntnt— thinking when you say that, you don't think tom,— thinking when you say that, you don't think tom, that there's tntt— don't think tom, that there's tntt muon— don't think tom, that there's that much evidence of fraud. but now— that much evidence of fraud. but now ttoutt— that much evidence of fraud. but now uoutt you— that much evidence of fraud. but

how would you know? well i did uset— how would you know? well i did uset to— how would you know? well i did uset to toot— how would you know? well i did used to look at— how would you know? well i did used to look at this. the eteotottt— used to look at this. the electoral commission have done lots of reports on this. whenever there's a by—election there's always complaints as police investigations . we police investigations. we actually the book at actually throw the book at people country. if they people in this country. if they if breach electoral law, if if they breach electoral law, if you're candidate or you're a you're a candidate or you're a political operative and political party operative and you're caught breaking electoral law, more often than not, you go to jail. and so , i mean, if i if to jail. and so, i mean, if i if i if i thought it was actually a problem or that this would actually in somehow enhance our democracy , i would be in favour democracy, i would be in favour of bringing id, but i think what's actually going to happen is there's going to be hundreds of thousands people are going of thousands of people are going to of my agrees to be one of my viewers agrees with you. he says, this is a stunt— with you. he says, this is a stuntt ttet— he says, this is a stupid idea because it will attest— stupid idea because it will affect turnout— stupid idea because it will affect turnout .— stupid idea because it will affect turnout . you reckon that affect turnout. you reckon that you— affect turnout. you reckon that you're checked— affect turnout. you reckon that you're checked anywhere near. wett— you're checked anywhere near. met. you— you're checked anywhere near. well, you're not— you're checked anywhere near. well, you're not really checked. vou— well, you're not really checked. you—ttst. - well, you're not really checked. you—ttst. tutl you just ticked off a list. but i_w— you just ticked off a list. but t-tny temtte- you just ticked off a list. but i any female could say i mean, any female could say tntt— i mean, any female could say tntt tnete— i mean, any female could say that there-any— i mean, any female could say that there any female. well, that there are any female. well, tetuttty— that there are any female. well, tetuttty-tust— that there are any female. well, actually,-just-to- actually, i was just about to say— actually, i was just about to soy ony— actually, i was just about to soy ony gttt— actually, i was just about to say any girl could pick a girl's tnt— say any girl could pick a girl's tnt ony— say any girl could pick a girl's name and any guy could pick a guy's— name and any guy could pick a guys-tut— name and any guy could pick a guys-tut tn— name and any guy could pick a guy's-but in this- name and any guy could pick a guy's but in this day and guy's name. but in this day and age,— guy's name. but in this day and age. t— guy's name. but in this day and age. t metn— guy's name. but in this day and age, i mean, goodness gracious

mg-gn— age, i mean, goodness gracious mg-gn go— age, i mean, goodness gracious mg-gn go on- age, i mean, goodness gracious me, all go on. anyway, me, it could all go on. anyway, he me, it could all go on. anyway, ne teeonts— me, it could all go on. anyway, he reckons this— me, it could all go on. anyway, he reckons this will the he reckons this will be the tottest— he reckons this will be the lowest - ever. - he reckons this will be the lowest ever. bet. he reckons this will be the- lowest-ever. ibet. and lowest turnout ever. i bet. and i lowest turnout ever. i bet. and t to— lowest turnout ever. i bet. and t to-tt— lowest turnout ever. i bet. and t to-tt ttoutt— lowest turnout ever. i bet. and i do-it would be- i do think it would be interesting— i do think it would be- interesting—impact i do think it would be- interesting_impact of interesting to see the impact of turnout— interesting to see the impact of turnout-tne— interesting to see the impact of turnout-are in— interesting to see the impact of turnout are in england, turnout if you are in england, vou— turnout if you are in england, you-nont— turnout if you are in england, youltttnt to— turnout if you are in england, you .want to _you- turnout if you are in england, you want to you haven't you do want to vote. you haven't tegtstetet. — you do want to vote. you haven't registered. you've— you do want to vote. you haven't registered. you've got until let me-notes. yeah,- registered. you've got until let me notes. yeah, 25th registered. you've got until let. me-notes. yeah, 25th of me check my notes. yeah, 25th of anti.— me check my notes. yeah, 25th of agile-m.— me check my notes. yeah, 25th of antttlnm. tn— me check my notes. yeah, 25th of april,ip.m. in order— me check my notes. yeah, 25th of april, pm. in order to april, 5 pm. in order to tegtstet— april, 5 p.m. in order to register for— april, 5 pm. in order to register for one of these tntngs— register for one of these tntngs-ot- register for one of these things, of charge. register for one of these - things,-of charge. no things, it's free of charge. no excuse. i've never— things, it's free of charge. no excuse. i've never voted for a toot— excuse. i've never voted for a local election _ excuse. i've never voted for a local election i all - excuse. i've never voted for a local election all my life. local election in all my life. i note— local election in all my life. i note to— local election in all my life. i note to te— local election in all my life. i have to be honest. i've got no. te— have to be honest. i've got no. he got— have to be honest. i've got no. he got no— have to be honest. i've got no. i've got no plans— have to be honest. i've got no. i've got no plans to do so. but if i've got no plans to do so. but tt you— i've got no plans to do so. but tt you one— i've got no plans to do so. but if you are, that's— i've got no plans to do so. but if you are, that's how you can get— if you are, that's how you can get-tots— if you are, that's how you can get-tots ot— if you are, that's how you can get-lots of people- if you are, that's how you can get lots of people asking get them. lots of people asking you stout— get them. lots of people asking you ttout yout— get them. lots of people asking you about your weight loss journev-_ you about your weight loss journey-written- you about your weight loss journey. written a book. journey. you've written a book. t-m — journey. you've written a book. t-m -stn— journey. you've written a book. i'm _can google - journey. you've written a book.| i'm _can google-you i'm sure you can google it. you oon-tntnt— i'm sure you can google it. you eon—tntnt you- i'm sure you can google it. you can _thank you very. can get that. thank you very muon— can get that. thank you very must-yout— can get that. thank you very much-your first- can get that. thank you very much your first appearance. much for your first appearance. tits—tome- much for your first appearance. tits—tome tt-s- was it all right, tom? it's totety. — was it all right, tom? it's lovely. yeah.— was it all right, tom? it's lovely. “43?" kittie. was it all right, tom? it's lovely. yeah. what a great lovely. yeah. what what a great opponent ben is or do i say opponent? i don't know whether i'll that. sparring partner, i'll say that. sparring partner, sparring a sparring partner. db i've got a special for you. you special request for you. you saying, you do me a special request for you. you - saying,-you do me a favour, saying, can you do me a favour, please?— saying, can you do me a favour, otetsee con— saying, can you do me a favour, otetsee can you— saying, can you do me a favour, please? can you ask ben habib to toe— please? can you ask ben habib to gtte-tttte— please? can you ask ben habib to gtte-tttte one— please? can you ask ben habib to give .wife one of— please? can you ask ben habib to give-wife one of his- please? can you ask ben habib to give wife one of his winks? give my wife one of his winks? tenant—ot- give my wife one of his winks? 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the rain slowly clears through the rain slowly clears through the first part of the day towards the south—east, brighter skies emerge. that skies emerge. and what that means sunshine. means we'll see some sunshine. but sun could spark i or 2 but that sun could spark i or 2 showers through the afternoon. anywhere towards anywhere from borders towards kent, elsewhere for a fine end to the day, a bright one and also warmer temperatures, typically around 14 or 15 c. now through saturday evening. watch as this cloud slowly thickens from the west. it will grind to a across the north—west of a halt across the north—west of the country, perhaps little the country, perhaps a little more cloud moving down more cloud just moving down towards see towards the southeast will see some skies here. some clearer skies here. and that's where lowest that's where the lowest temperatures will be. certainly a a chilly start to the a bit of a chilly start to the day on sunday, but it'll be a damp morning across western and northern scotland. northern parts of scotland. northern ireland, isle of northern ireland, the isle of man, cumbria, down northern ireland, the isle of man, the cumbria, down northern ireland, the isle of man, the western zumbria, down northern ireland, the isle of man, the western side ria, down northern ireland, the isle of man, the western side of, down towards the western side of lancashire. temperatures here will hold up elsewhere, as i said, a bit of a cool start on sunday, but the cloud will break across eastern counties far across eastern counties the far north scotland. seeing some north of scotland. seeing some sunshine drying up across northern through the northern ireland through the afternoon rain afternoon as we see that rain just become confined more just become confined to more western parts of scotland. and here's into next here's your outlook into next week it's dry, it's fine. high

week. it's dry, it's fine. high pressure and feeling warm with some .

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