boss like a stubborn case of chlamydia . i'm back. welcome to chlamydia. i'm back. welcome to mark dolan tonight. i hope you had a cracking easter. what a busy show we've got for you . is busy show we've got for you. is a summer migrant crisis heading our way amid a lack of evidence. they work. is it time to consign masks to the dustbin of history? and after a humiliating elon musk interview, are the bbc guilty of misinformation and censorship? plus, my take on the junior doctors strike. and i won't be pulling my punches a lively three hours to come. lots to get through. but first, the

headunes to get through. but first, the headlines with polly middlehurst . mark, thank you and good evening— . mark, thank you and good evening to— . mark, thank you and good evening to you. _ mark, thank you and good evening to you. our top story on gb evening to you. our top story on ea news— evening to you. our top story on gb news tonight,— evening to you. our top story on gb news tonight, rcn nurses will stage— gb news tonight, rcn nurses will eeege another— gb news tonight, rcn nurses will stage another round of strikes after— stage another round of strikes efeer rejecting— stage another round of strikes after rejecting a— stage another round of strikes after rejecting a pay offer from the government.— after rejecting a pay offer from the government. the same offer which— the government. the same offer which umeen— the government. the same offer which unison nurses overwhelmingly accepted . royal overwhelmingly accepted. royal ceueee— overwhelmingly accepted. royal ceuege ef— overwhelmingly accepted. royal college of nursing members voted to reject— college of nursing members voted to reject a— college of nursing members voted to reject a 5%_ college of nursing members voted to reject a 5% pay— college of nursing members voted to reject a 5% pay rise. this y...— to reject a 5% pay rise. this y... ee— to reject a 5% pay rise. this year, as even— to reject a 5% pay rise. this year, as well as— to reject a 5% pay rise. this year, as well as a- to reject a 5% pay rise. this year, as well as a cash payment for teet— year, as well as a cash payment for last year. — year, as well as a cash payment for last year. the— year, as well as a cash payment for last year. the action running— for last year. the action running from - for last year. the action running from 8:00 in the evening on the— running from 8:00 in the evening on the 30h— running from 8:00 in the evening on the eohh eh— running from 8:00 in the evening on the 30th of april for 48 heme— on the 30th of april for 48 home win— on the 30th of april for 48 hours will for— on the 30th of april for 48 hours will for the first time hvehe— hours will for the first time involve nurses— hours will for the first time involve nurses working in emergency— involve nurses working in emergency departments , intensive emergency departments, intensive ahe— emergency departments, intensive care and cancer care. unison announced today— care and cancer care. unison announced today that its nhs hemehe— announced today that its nhs hehehe hee— announced today that its nhs members had overwhelmingly accepted— members had overwhelmingly accepted the — members had overwhelmingly accepted the 5%_ members had overwhelmingly accepted the 5% pay offer. a heeehhhe— accepted the 5% pay offer. a paediatric nurse,— accepted the 5% pay offer. a paediatric nurse, olivia princewill, _ paediatric nurse, olivia princewill, told gb news earlier the government— princewill, told gb news earlier the government could have offered— the government could have offered more— the government could have offered more in— the government could have offered more in junior doctors worked— offered more in junior doctors werhee fer— offered more in junior doctors worked for incredibly long hours , so the— worked for incredibly long hours , so the nurses— worked for incredibly long hours , so the nurses in—

worked for incredibly long hours , so the nurses in conditions that— , so the nurses in conditions that absolutely— , so the nurses in conditions that absolutely ridiculous to them — that absolutely ridiculous to them ceme— that absolutely ridiculous to them come to— that absolutely ridiculous to them come to work and be happy with— them come to work and be happy whh the— them come to work and be happy whh the job- — them come to work and be happy with the job. okay,— them come to work and be happy with the job. c343 with the job. okay, that's not even safe for the patient . so even safe for the patient. so what we're trying to do here and i believe that's what everyone is trying to achieve, is come to a situation where there is a sort of agreement between us nurses, the doctors and nurses, the junior doctors and also the government to like also the government to feel like when going work, when you're going to work, you're safe . meanwhile, civil you're safe. meanwhile, civil servants— you're safe. meanwhile, civil servants will— you're safe. meanwhile, civil servants will hold _ ”c: meanwhile, civil servants will hold fresh strikes ehe— servants will hold fresh strikes he the— servants will hold fresh strikes after the government announced a pay after the government announced a hay hee— after the government announced a pay eh— after the government announced a pay rise of between— after the government announced a pay rise of between four and a heh— pay rise of between four and a heh ehe— pay rise of between four and a heh ehe 5.— pay rise of between four and a half and 5. the— pay rise of between four and a half and 5. the unions general secretary— half and 5. the unions general secretary describing it as heuhhe— secretary describing it as insulting and— secretary describing it as insulting and completely inadequate. _ insulting and completely inadequate. staff will walk out inadequate. staff will walk out he hey— inadequate. staff will walk out he hey ehe— inadequate. staff will walk out he hay and june— inadequate. staff will walk out in may and june across government— in may and june across government departments and in areas such as the— government departments and in areas such as the met office . areas such as the met office. new— areas such as the met office. new the— areas such as the met office. wow the us— areas such as the met office. now the us president joe biden has whey— now the us president joe biden has today heeh— now the us president joe biden has today been brought to tears wher— has today been brought to tears we a— has today been brought to tears after a chance— has today been brought to tears after a chance meeting at an wheh— after a chance meeting at an wheh ehweh— after a chance meeting at an irish church with— after a chance meeting at an irish church with the priest who performed — irish church with the priest who perrerrhee rhe— irish church with the priest who performed the last rites on his hear— performed the last rites on his son beau , father— performed the last rites on his son beau , father frank o'grady son beau, father frank o'grady performed— son beau, father frank o'grady perrerrhee rhe— son beau, father frank o'grady performed the sacrament for beau hreeh— performed the sacrament for beau hreeh whe— performed the sacrament for beau biden, who died— performed the sacrament for beau biden, who died of— performed the sacrament for beau biden, who died of brain cancer

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let's start with this. the reputation of junior doctors is on life support as they threaten lives and patient safety with needless strikes that strike at the heart of their commitments. as medics to first do no harm . as medics to first do no harm. with an nhs already creaking under the pressure of a 7 million long waiting list caused in my view, by a disastrous tunnel vision. focus on covid the impact on patient care of these strikes is potentially huge. now the junior doctors may have a for case a higher salary. they work crazy hours and most are heroes. i thank our nhs frontline staff for what they do for you and me, and i always will. and i'm sure that, as with other public sector workers, a negotiated settlement is within reach. but not the absurd and deeply irresponsible demands for 35. public sector unions have taken quite the kicking in

recent times, with the teaching unions being responsible for masking and school closures dunng masking and school closures during the pandemic. policies which very few are now willing to defend. we've got health unions inciting ambulance workers to strike good luck telling me that patients won't be affected by that one. and the junior doctors union not just making unreasonable demands, but deploying statistics about how much they earn, which are debateable at best, and missing information at worst . the well information at worst. the well quoted stat that junior doctors get paid less than a barista at pret a manger at just £14.09 an hour has been given short shrift by none other than the fact checking service full fact. here's what they said , and i here's what they said, and i quote the average junior doctor makes much more than this, depending whether you include extra earnings and time off for holidays. it's probably about 20 or £30 an hour. so they don't

get paid like a barista. they get paid like a barista. they get paid like a barista. they get paid more like a barista . get paid more like a barista. rumpole of the bailey and kavanagh qc . rumpole of the bailey and kavanagh qc. eat your heart out . now the reality is that being a junior doctor is like an apprentice ship and they earn great money once they fully qualify. plus a bullet—proof pension and a job for life unless they remove the wrong kidney or something. and even then it's probably a slap on the wrist. meanwhile the head of the junior doctors union has decided to skip the strikes and enjoy a houday to skip the strikes and enjoy a holiday abroad . you couldn't holiday abroad. you couldn't make it up. where's he gone? alicante in emergency. is he climbing ? broken back mountain climbing? broken back mountain is he in liverpool, spain? fluoride ida he has since made a grovelling apology for being away. well, we should probably apologise for those puns. to be fair . but our apologise for those puns. to be fair. but our economy has been performing far better than many anticipate with those jokers at the imf having their gloomy

predictions for a year long british recession proved to be complete nonsense . but our complete nonsense. but our stuttering recovery is being hindered by public sector unions who strikes are hitting public services and damaging the economy and whose demands will stoke inflation. which be clear, is the source of all of our current problems and will further fuel our to 2 trillion national debt . which is why dr. national debt. which is why dr. sunak, who's got his finger on the pulse, must stand and firm a reasonable settlement for junior doctors. is there for the taking and for our brilliant nurses . us and for our brilliant nurses. us who, as you've just heard from polly, have turned down a new deal polly, have turned down a new deal. but for medics to go on strike is a new low for the health service. there's no economic case for 35% pay. settlements like that would turn us into zimbabwe or argentina overnight. and there's no moral case for the strikes either , case for the strikes either, which will deprive patients of the care they urgently need and potentially cost lives . it's

potentially cost lives. it's enough to make you sick . enough to make you sick. reacting to that is my sidekick. this evening broadcasting radio and fleet street legend mike porky parry. mike, great to have you in the studio and great to be here. mike thank you very much— be here. mike thank you very much indeed.— be here. mike thank you very much indeed. and— “chi; ii thank you very much indeed. and you make “uri; ii thank you very much indeed. and you make such eeeehr— much indeed. and you make such eeoehr eehre— much indeed. and you make such cogent points about— much indeed. and you make such cogent points about the doctors. ehe— cogent points about the doctors. ehe perh— cogent points about the doctors. one point about— cogent points about the doctors. one point about this, which heheew— one point about this, which nobody seems— one point about this, which nobody seems to bring up, is her— nobody seems to bring up, is that doctors— nobody seems to bring up, is that doctors are— nobody seems to bring up, is that doctors are a— nobody seems to bring up, is that doctors are a very erwheoee— that doctors are a very privileged part of our society . privileged part of our society. now— privileged part of our society. wew rh— privileged part of our society. wew r-rh her— privileged part of our society. now, i'm not saying that's heeewee— now, i'm not saying that's because they're - now, i'm not saying that's because they're doctors, but remember , they've clearly come remember, they've clearly come hem — remember, they've clearly come from families— remember, they've clearly come from families who— remember, they've clearly come from families who regarded eeweeheh— from families who regarded education as— from families who regarded education as a— from families who regarded education as a prime thing for her— education as a prime thing for their children. _ education as a prime thing for their children. so _ education as a prime thing for their children. so it's all very weh— their children. so it's all very weh re— their children. so it's all very weh re eew— their children. so it's all very well to say, well,— their children. so it's all very well to say, well, they spent erghr— well to say, well, they spent erohr weare— well to say, well, they spent eight years training and all her— eight years training and all me me— eight years training and all that and remember, by the way, when— that and remember, by the way, when we're talking about junior eeerere— when we're talking about junior eeerere were— when we're talking about junior doctors, we're talking about ehwheew— doctors, we're talking about anybody consulting level. anybody below consulting level. do anybody below consulting level. he wer— anybody below consulting level. he wew eee— anybody below consulting level. do you see what— anybody below consulting level. do you see what i— anybody below consulting level. do you see what i mean? so rhew-re— do you see what i mean? so rhew-re her— do you see what i mean? so they're not just— do you see what i mean? so they're not just 25 or 26 year ehe— they're not just 25 or 26 year ehe eeerere— they're not just 25 or 26 year old doctors spending 24 hours in

a old doctors spending 24 hours in e heehheh— old doctors spending 24 hours in e heeeheh h— old doctors spending 24 hours in a hospital in a&e._ old doctors spending 24 hours in a hospital in a&e. they are herew— a hospital in a&e. they are below consultant level. once rhew— below consultant level. once he eer— below consultant level. once he oer re— below consultant level. once they get to consultant level. wew.— they get to consultant level. wew. rhe— they get to consultant level. wow. the world _ they get to consultant level. wow. the world is their oyster. hur— wow. the world is their oyster. her he — wow. the world is their oyster. her he perh— wow. the world is their oyster. but the point i'm— wow. the world is their oyster. but the point i'm making is, is her— but the point i'm making is, is her he— but the point i'm making is, is her he ere— but the point i'm making is, is that they are so— but the point i'm making is, is that they are so privileged to have— that they are so privileged to have been— that they are so privileged to have been able— that they are so privileged to have been able to enjoy the eeweeheh— have been able to enjoy the education which— have been able to enjoy the education which this country has ghee— education which this country has given rhem— education which this country has given rhem re— education which this country has given them to have been able to enjoy— given them to have been able to enjoy rhe— given them to have been able to enjoy rhe eweeeh— given them to have been able to enjoy the support their parents have. — enjoy the support their parents have. cheerw— enjoy the support their parents have. clearly given them. and wher— have. clearly given them. and wher rhew-re— have. clearly given them. and what they're doing is they're ewmehhe— what they're doing is they're ewmehho eh— what they're doing is they're punishing all the people who hen-r— punishing all the people who hehh eer— punishing all the people who didn't get that— punishing all the people who didn't get that backing from her— didn't get that backing from their parents,— didn't get that backing from their parents, who didn't get her— their parents, who didn't get her heehhg— their parents, who didn't get that backing from the state, who hen-r— that backing from the state, who hehh ger— that backing from the state, who ehh-r oer rher— that backing from the state, who didn't get that backing from her— didn't get that backing from her ew— didn't get that backing from their own intelligence . once you their own intelligence. once you eee-r— their own intelligence. once you eehh heeeme— their own intelligence. once you can't become a— their own intelligence. once you can't become a doctor unless wee-re— can't become a doctor unless wee-re prero— can't become a doctor unless you're pretty bright because mere-e— you're pretty bright because rhere-e e— you're pretty bright because there's a lot— you're pretty bright because there's a lot of— you're pretty bright because there's a lot of work to do to heem— there's a lot of work to do to learn everything.— there's a lot of work to do to learn everything. a doctor needs . se— learn everything. a doctor needs . se wher— learn everything. a doctor needs . so what they're— learn everything. a doctor needs . so what they're doing is that rhew— . so what they're doing is that he ere— . so what they're doing is that he rearw— . so what they're doing is that they are really hammering down on they are really hammering down we eeeehe— they are really hammering down we people her— they are really hammering down we people her ee— they are really hammering down on people not as bright as them. mew-re— on people not as bright as them. they're basically— on people not as bright as them. they're basically saying that, reek— they're basically saying that, heeh ,— they're basically saying that, heeh , eh— they're basically saying that, look , oh, and— they're basically saying that, look , oh, and by— they're basically saying that, look , oh, and by the way, i saw look, oh, and by the way, i saw heerer— look, oh, and by the way, i saw heerer hhew— look, oh, and by the way, i saw doctor hilary jones— look, oh, and by the way, i saw doctor hilary jones on television— doctor hilary jones on television this week. he's one of television this week. he's one er rhe— television this week. he's one er rhe meer— television this week. he's one of the most loved— television this week. he's one

of the most loved and respected eeerere— of the most loved and respected eeerere h— of the most loved and respected doctors in this— of the most loved and respected doctors in this country . asked doctors in this country. asked rhe— doctors in this country. asked rhe eueeheh— doctors in this country. asked the question, will people die heeeuee— the question, will people die heeeuee er— the question, will people die because of the— the question, will people die because of the actions of the junior— because of the actions of the junior doctors— because of the actions of the junior doctors going on strike? he junior doctors going on strike? he eere,— junior doctors going on strike? he eere, wee— junior doctors going on strike? he eere, wee er— junior doctors going on strike? he said, yes, of course they whh — he said, yes, of course they whh se — he said, yes, of course they will. so isn't— he said, yes, of course they will. so isn't that the most eruehh— will. so isn't that the most crucial social— will. so isn't that the most crucial social issue that we're rehhhe— crucial social issue that we're rehhho eheh— crucial social issue that we're talking about ,_ crucial social issue that we're talking about , that these guys talking about, that these guys have— talking about, that these guys have eehe— talking about, that these guys have oehe eh— talking about, that these guys have gone on strike? when i say guys,— have gone on strike? when i say guvsr i— have gone on strike? when i say ouwe r me— have gone on strike? when i say guys, i mean men and women who are guys, i mean men and women who eeerere— guys, i mean men and women who eeerere have— guys, i mean men and women who are doctors have gone on strike hhewhe— are doctors have gone on strike hhewhe ,— are doctors have gone on strike knowing , according to dr. hilary knowing, according to dr. hilary rehee— knowing, according to dr. hilary rehee ,— knowing, according to dr. hilary rehee , mer— knowing, according to dr. hilary jones , that people will die or jones, that people will die or rhew— jones, that people will die or rhew ere— jones, that people will die or they are costing— jones, that people will die or they are costing people lives . they are costing people lives. hen— they are costing people lives. even when— they are costing people lives. even when the— they are costing people lives. even when the coal miners went on even when the coal miners went eh ehrhe— even when the coal miners went eh errhe. hee— even when the coal miners went on strike. erg there was never a wheh rhew— on strike. erg there was never a case when they were going to eeer— case when they were going to eeer eeeehe— case when they were going to cost people their— case when they were going to cost people their lives . okay, cost people their lives. okay, hur— cost people their lives. okay, huh rhe— cost people their lives. okay, huh he he— cost people their lives. okay, but this is what— cost people their lives. okay, but this is what they're doing. rhe— but this is what they're doing. he erher— but this is what they're doing. the other issue— but this is what they're doing. the other issue i— but this is what they're doing. the other issue i want to bring up the other issue i want to bring he he— the other issue i want to bring he he your— the other issue i want to bring he he your warh— the other issue i want to bring up to you, mark, is that when i rheee— up to you, mark, is that when i see these people— up to you, mark, is that when i see these people protest , sing, see these people protest, sing, i see these people protest, sing, r eewehh— see these people protest, sing, i couldn't make— see these people protest, sing, i couldn't make out whether i werehhe— i couldn't make out whether i was watching an _ i couldn't make out whether i was watching an extinction hehehreh— was watching an extinction rebellion riot,— was watching an extinction rebellion riot, literally for big— rebellion riot, literally for sure. big placards , orange sure. big placards, orange weehw— sure. big placards, orange weehw here— sure. big placards, orange woolly hats and all that . nobody woolly hats and all that. nobody eehe— woolly hats and all that. nobody eewe werh— woolly hats and all that. nobody could work out. _ woolly hats and all that. nobody could work out. they were eeerere. — could work out. they were eeerere. h— could work out. they were doctors. if the— could work out. they were doctors. if the sound was turned eewh— doctors. if the sound was turned down, shouldn't— doctors. if the sound was turned down, shouldn't they do what the

he— down, shouldn't they do what the nurses did years— down, shouldn't they do what the nurses did years ago stand ehehe— nurses did years ago stand outside hospitals in their white eehe— outside hospitals in their white eeere whh— outside hospitals in their white eeere whh e— outside hospitals in their white coats with a stethoscope around her— coats with a stethoscope around her neck— coats with a stethoscope around their neck and— coats with a stethoscope around their neck and say— coats with a stethoscope around their neck and say , this is what their neck and say, this is what we are in our country. please whee— we are in our country. please he he— we are in our country. please he he rer— we are in our country. please value us for what— we are in our country. please value us for what we are. hereee— value us for what we are. hereee er— value us for what we are. instead of looking like a bunch of instead of looking like a bunch er reerheh— instead of looking like a bunch of football fans— instead of looking like a bunch of football fans jumping up and hem— of football fans jumping up and hem whh— of football fans jumping up and down with signs— of football fans jumping up and down with signs which say hooray for down with signs which say hooray her he— down with signs which say hooray for the doctors,— down with signs which say hooray for the doctors, you— down with signs which say hooray for the doctors, you know, i mean, indeed,— for the doctors, you know, i mean, indeed, ludicrous. �*vw�*rz; mean, indeed, ludicrous. we her-h— mean, indeed, ludicrous. we her-r weer— mean, indeed, ludicrous. we her-r wmh re— mean, indeed, ludicrous. we don't want to beat- mean, indeed, ludicrous. we don't want to beat up- mean, indeed, ludicrous. we don't want to beat up on those who care for us, you know, relatives. we've all benefited from the efforts of the nhs , from the efforts of the nhs, yourself a yourself included. you're a walking medical miracle. let's be honest, michael. am . so we be honest, michael. i am. so we appreciate doctors and appreciate our doctors and nurses. of course we do. but where do you think public opinion be relation opinion will be in relation to nurses doctors downing tools nurses and doctors downing tools and going on strike? well dr. rob lawrenson, who is one of the leaders of the junior doctors, calls everybody out on strike and then decides to push off on holiday, won't tell us where he's gone. oh, i've gone to a rhehe-e— he's gone. oh, i've gone to a friend's wedding. _ 3 oh, i've gone to a friend's wedding. that's all werw— friend's wedding. that's all werw weh. — friend's wedding. that's all very well. but— friend's wedding. that's all very well. but you are trying to eeerrew— very well. but you are trying to eeerrew me— very well. but you are trying to destroy me. and— very well. but you are trying to destroy me. and i— very well. but you are trying to destroy me. and i use that word ehwheehw— destroy me. and i use that word advisedly. you're— destroy me. and i use that word advisedly. you're trying to eeerrew— advisedly. you're trying to eeerrew iew. — advisedly. you're trying to destroy joy. the concept of

eehehre— destroy joy. the concept of patients relying on their eeerere. — patients relying on their doctors. we— patients relying on their doctors. we can't rely on eeerere— doctors. we can't rely on doctors the _ doctors. we can't rely on doctors the way waiting list, i rhhh— doctors the way waiting list, i rhhh we— doctors the way waiting list, i think, was £7.2— doctors the way waiting list, i think, was £7.2 million. sorry 7.2— think, was £7.2 million. sorry 7.2 mhheh— think, was £7.2 million. sorry 7.2 million people before this erehee— 7.2 million people before this erehee .— 7.2 million people before this erehee . h-e— 7.2 million people before this started . it's going to be longer started. it's going to be longer rheh— started. it's going to be longer rheh her.— started. it's going to be longer than that. and— started. it's going to be longer than that. and you know, when you— than that. and you know, when wee eew— than that. and you know, when wee save eh— than that. and you know, when wee save eh ,— than that. and you know, when you say, oh , well,— than that. and you know, when you say, oh , well, they deserve you say, oh, well, they deserve a you say, oh, well, they deserve e hh— you say, oh, well, they deserve e hh mere— you say, oh, well, they deserve a bit more money,— you say, oh, well, they deserve a bit more money, what we never eeereehre— a bit more money, what we never eeereehre rer— a bit more money, what we never appreciate for those— a bit more money, what we never appreciate for those who work in the appreciate for those who work in he hehhe— appreciate for those who work in the public sector— appreciate for those who work in the public sector is— appreciate for those who work in the public sector is that eereehw— the public sector is that actually around about the age of 55, wee— actually around about the age of 55, wee eeh— actually around about the age of 55, you can think— actually around about the age of 55, you can think about calling it 55, you can think about calling h e— 55, you can think about calling h e day— 55, you can think about calling h e eew ehe— 55, you can think about calling it a day and settle— 55, you can think about calling it a day and settle back on a wee,— it a day and settle back on a verve werw— it a day and settle back on a very, very comfortable pension here— very, very comfortable pension here rer— very, very comfortable pension here he hw— very, very comfortable pension paid for by those— very, very comfortable pension paid for by those who work in he— paid for by those who work in he erhere— paid for by those who work in the private sector— paid for by those who work in the private sector all their hwee— the private sector all their hwee ,— the private sector all their hwee , re— the private sector all their hwee , he he— the private sector all their lives , is to put- the private sector all their lives , is to put the people in lives, is to put the people in he— lives, is to put the people in he eehhe— lives, is to put the people in the public sector— lives, is to put the people in the public sector into the eeehrehe— the public sector into the positions we— the public sector into the positions we want them to be in. ahe— positions we want them to be in. hee hee— positions we want them to be in. hee hee whee— positions we want them to be in. and then when they finished, we reek— and then when they finished, we heeh eher— and then when they finished, we look after them.— and then when they finished, we look after them. i— and then when they finished, we look after them. i think it's eeme-geeee — look after them. i think it's outrageous. mike two quickies herere— outrageous. mike two quickies herere rhe— outrageous. mike two quickies before the break. �*vw�*rz; “ before the break. we've seen the mayor in london . i don't talk mayor in london. i don't talk much about london. i don't care about london because most of my

viewers and listeners are north of the m25. thank god for that. but actually story which but actually it's a story which relates all of our great relates to all of our great cities , which idea of low cities, which is the idea of low traffic yes. and cities, which is the idea of low tracourse, yes. and cities, which is the idea of low tracourse, the yes. and cities, which is the idea of low tracourse, the ulez yes. and cities, which is the idea of low tracourse, the ulez , yes. and cities, which is the idea of low tracourse, the ulez , all'es. and cities, which is the idea of low tracourse, the ulez , all these d of course, the ulez, all these different policies which is the war on motorists. now, we've seen going to court seen mayor khan going to court over the validity of his proposed plans. over the validity of his proposed plans . yes. for these proposed plans. yes. for these for these zone cars, which will basically freeze out certain cars costing a fortune. if you want to drive in the city. yeah. is this a victory for motorists, the fact that this case is now going to be seen by the courts? well, it's a victory for common mer— well, it's a victory for common sense that it's— well, it's a victory for common sense that it's got— well, it's a victory for common sense that it's got to come eheer— sense that it's got to come under examination sense that it's got to come- under-examination because under public examination because hewer— under public examination because hewer khm— under public examination because hewer hheh ee— under public examination because mayor khan was trying to pull me— mayor khan was trying to pull he he— mayor khan was trying to pull this in under— mayor khan was trying to pull this in under the— mayor khan was trying to pull this in under the radar. mayor khan was trying to pull this in under the radar . you this in under the radar. you mew— this in under the radar. you knew wher— this in under the radar. you knew wher r— this in under the radar. you know what i mean? yeah. and hope that know what i mean? yeah. and hope he heheew— know what i mean? yeah. and hope that nobody noticed. _ know what i mean? yeah. and hope that nobody noticed. i had some eemere— that nobody noticed. i had some carpets refitted _ that nobody noticed. i had some carpets refitted in— that nobody noticed. i had some carpets refitted in my apartment ehhw— carpets refitted in my apartment ehhw e— carpets refitted in my apartment over only a month— carpets refitted in my apartment over only a month ago. 3 over only a month ago. shagpile were— over only a month ago. shagpile weh. h— over only a month ago. shagpile well, it was very nice carpet and i do live in a penthouse, so obviously you're a man of means. you've worked hard, you've had a great career. well, there you

90- — great career. well, there you 90- rhe— great career. well, there you 90- he oew-e— great career. well, there you go. the guy's doing- tuna twiu well, there you go. the guy's doing it. turned up go. the guy's doing it. turned eh h— go. the guy's doing it. turned eh h e— go. the guy's doing it. turned err in e veh— go. the guy's doing it. turned up in a van, which was probably eheer— up in a van, which was probably eheer erehr— up in a van, which was probably about eight years— up in a van, which was probably about eight years old. right. semerhhe— about eight years old. right. something pulled all about eight years old. right. soncarpet pulled all about eight years old. right. soncarpet out pulled all about eight years old. right. soncarpet out the pulled all about eight years old. right. soncarpet out the back, led all about eight years old. right. soncarpet out the back, brought the carpet out the back, brought it the carpet out the back, brought h eh,— the carpet out the back, brought h eh, eer— the carpet out the back, brought h eh, per h— the carpet out the back, brought h eh, per h h— the carpet out the back, brought it up, put it in the— the carpet out the back, brought it up, put it in the lift, hreeehr— it up, put it in the lift, hreeohr h— it up, put it in the lift, brought it up- it up, put it in the lift, brought it up to my place. and whher— brought it up to my place. and whher rhew— brought it up to my place. and whher rhew eer— brought it up to my place. and whilst they put my new carpet eewm— whilst they put my new carpet eewh eeh— whilst they put my new carpet down, said mike,— whilst they put my new carpet down, said mike, this is erehehhw— down, said mike, this is probably the- down, said mike, this is probably the last time you're going— probably the last time you're oeholhe— probably the last time you're ever going be able to call on ever going to be able to call on us because.mayor_ ever going to be able to call on us because mayor khan brings us because if mayor khan brings in us because if mayor khan brings he he— us because if mayor khan brings he he reeeh— us because if mayor khan brings in the rules, he— us because if mayor khan brings in the rules, he wants to bring in the rules, he wants to bring in her— in the rules, he wants to bring in her eehe— in the rules, he wants to bring in for ulez, we're— in the rules, he wants to bring in for ulez, we're out of heeheee — in for ulez, we're out of business. we— in for ulez, we're out of business. we can't afford to pay an business. we can't afford to pay eh eehe— business. we can't afford to pay eh exrre eeh— business. we can't afford to pay an extra £30 a— business. we can't afford to pay an extra £30 a day.— business. we can't afford to pay an extra £30 a day. we can't effere— an extra £30 a day. we can't ehere re— an extra £30 a day. we can't ehere re hew— an extra £30 a day. we can't afford to buy new- an extra £30 a day. we can't afford to buy new vehicles at heheee.— afford to buy new vehicles at heheee. hee— afford to buy new vehicles at £30,000. he's putting us out of heeheee— £30,000. he's putting us out of heeheee ehe— £30,000. he's putting us out of business and it's— £30,000. he's putting us out of business and it's outrageous heeeeee— business and it's outrageous heeeeee hie— business and it's outrageous because his wealth is only eehereree— because his wealth is only generated in— because his wealth is only generated in this country by the emeh— generated in this country by the small businessmen . it's not small businessmen. it's not eehereree— small businessmen. it's not eehereree hw— small businessmen. it's not generated by public services . generated by public services. ahe— generated by public services. hhe h— generated by public services. hhe h wee— generated by public services. and if you start— generated by public services. and if you start putting people like and if you start putting people he mw— and if you start putting people he mw eereer— and if you start putting people like my carpet fitters out of heeheee — like my carpet fitters out of business, we'll— like my carpet fitters out of business, we'll all go bankrupt. rhe— business, we'll all go bankrupt. rhe eehe— business, we'll all go bankrupt. rhe eeee er— business, we'll all go bankrupt. the sage of fleet— business, we'll all go bankrupt. the sage of fleet street- business, we'll all go bankrupt. the sage of fleet street speaks again. mike porky parry with me for the whole hour. i'll be asking him about the birth of the mini skirt later in the show. of course, mary quant, famous fashion designer, passed away. got a of

away. mike's got a lot of memories short memories of girls in short skirts. it could be. i'll be honest. legal albie legally , a honest. legal albie legally, a little but little bit challenging, but there we'll get to that there you go. we'll get to that later. lots more to come. a very, very busy two erg and a bit hours is next up over 100,000 migrants crossed the channel excuse me, over 1000 migrants crossed the channel last week. this comes as more than 4500 migrants made the treacherous trip in 2023. is a migrant crisis coming this summer ? we'll discuss that .

next in my big opinion at nine, i'll be dealing with joe biden and you won't want to miss it. now, over 1100 migrants crossed the channel last week. this comes as more than 4500 migrants made the treacherous trip in 2023 alone. under the government's migration bill, rishi sunak has promised

to stop small boats crossings , to stop small boats crossings, authorising the detainment and deportation of illegal migrants on british shores. my guest tonight warns that channel migrants will overwhelm our nafion migrants will overwhelm our nation this summer if things continue as they are. and he's calling for the government to utilise technology to locate where boats are leaving from in france. so does britain face a summer migrant crisis in the channel? to discuss this, i'm delighted to welcome former high ranking naval officer dr. chris parry. dr. parry, welcome to mark dolan tonight. parry. dr. parry, welcome to mark dolan tonight . what hello, mark dolan tonight. what hello, mark. why are you concerned about the summer and the numbers thereof ? well it's not just me. thereof? well it's not just me. i think most of the countries concerned that— i think most of the countries concerned that we've got a very eereee— concerned that we've got a very eereee hereer— concerned that we've got a very eereee hereer .— concerned that we've got a very porous border . we've just porous border. we've just erehee— porous border. we've just started what— porous border. we've just started what i— porous border. we've just started what i would call the heeme— started what i would call the boating season— started what i would call the boating season and i think most heeree— boating season and i think most people whe— boating season and i think most people whe ee— boating season and i think most people who are trying to get here— people who are trying to get here he— people who are trying to get into this country— people who are trying to get into this country one way or the erher— into this country one way or the erher hhew— into this country one way or the other know that— into this country one way or the other know that legislation is

eemhe— other know that legislation is eemho eewh— other know that legislation is coming down the track and they weer— coming down the track and they wehr re — coming down the track and they wehr re hw— coming down the track and they wehr re rrw ehe— coming down the track and they want to try and get into the hehee— want to try and get into the united kingdom before that reoreheheh— united kingdom before that legislation starts to take eheer— legislation starts to take eheer .— legislation starts to take eheer . r— legislation starts to take effect . i don't- legislation starts to take effect . i don't think you have effect. i don't think you have to effect. i don't think you have he he— effect. i don't think you have he he e— effect. i don't think you have to be a rocket— effect. i don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to know her— to be a rocket scientist to know her .— to be a rocket scientist to know her . ahe— to be a rocket scientist to know her . hhe rm— to be a rocket scientist to know that . and i'm not— to be a rocket scientist to know that . and i'm not convinced that that. and i'm not convinced that eer— that. and i'm not convinced that her he— that. and i'm not convinced that we've got the systems and the ereeeeeree— we've got the systems and the ereeeeeree h— we've got the systems and the procedures in place to deal with her— procedures in place to deal with her rever— procedures in place to deal with her heweh er— procedures in place to deal with that level of traffic . �*fw�*fi r:r:::r that level of traffic. what do you— that level of traffic. what do wee rhhh— that level of traffic. what do you think needs to happen in advance of the authorities being overwhelmed this summer ? well, overwhelmed this summer? well, the real problem, mark,- overwhelmed this summer? well, the real problem, mark, is- : , well, the real problem, mark, is that the real problem, mark, is that he where— the real problem, mark, is that the whole policy— the real problem, mark, is that the whole policy associated with who— the whole policy associated with who he— the whole policy associated with who he oer— the whole policy associated with who he oer eer— the whole policy associated with trying to get our borders secure ehe— trying to get our borders secure ehe eere— trying to get our borders secure ehe eere hee— trying to get our borders secure and safe has been— trying to get our borders secure and safe has been incremental . and safe has been incremental. it's and safe has been incremental. h-e heeh— and safe has been incremental. it's been nibbling— and safe has been incremental. it's been nibbling away at hinge.— it's been nibbling away at rhhoe. h-e— it's been nibbling away at things. it's been tactical. rhere-e— things. it's been tactical. there's never— things. it's been tactical. there's never been a coherent errereew— there's never been a coherent errereow hehe— there's never been a coherent strategy right from the word go . ahe— strategy right from the word go . hhe wher— strategy right from the word go . hhe wher wee— strategy right from the word go . and what you do with strategy is . and what you do with strategy he wee— . and what you do with strategy he wee eeh— . and what you do with strategy he wee eeh eer— . and what you do with strategy is you sort out what you're rrwhhe— is you sort out what you're who he— is you sort out what you're trying to achieve. and haven't trying to achieve. and i haven't heere— trying to achieve. and i haven't heere-eew— trying to achieve. and i haven't heard-say what- trying to achieve. and i haven't heard say what they want heard anybody say what they want to heard anybody say what they want re eehhewe— heard anybody say what they want to achieve politically or even on to achieve politically or even eh rhe— to achieve politically or even eh rhe-vee- to achieve politically or even on the -you then - to achieve politically or even on the you then put the on the ground. you then put the resources-place— on the ground. you then put the resources place and you resources in place and you hehehee— resources in place and you balance that— resources in place and you balance that with what is technically— balance that with what is technically humanly possible technically and humanly possible . i technically and humanly possible . h hewehh— technically and humanly possible . i haven't-that— technically and humanly possible . i haven't that debate . i haven't seen that debate rehe— . i haven't seen that debate rehe ereee— . i haven't seen that debate rehe eheee er— . i haven't seen that debate take place at all- . i haven't seen that debate take place at all at any level

of government— take place at all at any level of government or— take place at all at any level of government or administration, emeheer— of government or administration, even amongst the _ of government or administration, even amongst the military. until rher-e— even amongst the military. until rher-e eehe— even amongst the military. until hee hee ,— even amongst the military. until that's done , you're— even amongst the military. until that's done , you're just going that's done, you're just going to that's done, you're just going he he— that's done, you're just going he he who— that's done, you're just going he he who he— that's done, you're just going to be trying to pin the tail on he— to be trying to pin the tail on he eh— to be trying to pin the tail on he eh rhe— to be trying to pin the tail on the on the donkey. frankly my whew— the on the donkey. frankly my he— the on the donkey. frankly my he rher— the on the donkey. frankly my view is that we— the on the donkey. frankly my view is that we need to do here— view is that we need to do heher h— view is that we need to do better in detecting people heree— better in detecting people herere rhew— better in detecting people before they get in the water and eehehhhw— before they get in the water and certainly before _ before they get in the water and certainly before they get to the meeheh— certainly before they get to the meeheh ehe.— certainly before they get to the median line. you— certainly before they get to the median line. you know, we've got hehe— median line. you know, we've got drone technology— median line. you know, we've got drone technology now that eemhhhee— drone technology now that combines infrared sensors with reeer— combines infrared sensors with reeer ehe— combines infrared sensors with reeer ehe eree— combines infrared sensors with radar and also the ability to hhrereeer— radar and also the ability to intercept mobile phone calls and ehehwee— intercept mobile phone calls and ehehwee rheee. — intercept mobile phone calls and analyse those. you— intercept mobile phone calls and analyse those. you can combine rhem — analyse those. you can combine rhem reeerher— analyse those. you can combine them together and— analyse those. you can combine them together and you can detect rheee— them together and you can detect rheee eeeehe— them together and you can detect these people getting into the heere— these people getting into the heere heer— these people getting into the boats just unhooking the boats hem— boats just unhooking the boats hem rhe— boats just unhooking the boats from the from _ boats just unhooking the boats from the from the trailers on whheh— from the from the trailers on whheh rhew— from the from the trailers on which they are— from the from the trailers on which they are ._ from the from the trailers on which they are . we're not which they are. we're not eeehewhho— which they are. we're not deploying that technology . it deploying that technology. it eeeehh— deploying that technology. it doesn't have _ deploying that technology. it doesn't have to— deploying that technology. it doesn't have to go on the french ehe— doesn't have to go on the french ehee er— doesn't have to go on the french ehee er rhe— doesn't have to go on the french side of the channel. it can sit on side of the channel. it can sit eh ehe— side of the channel. it can sit on our side of— side of the channel. it can sit on our side of the— side of the channel. it can sit on our side of the channel. hheee— on our side of the channel. these sensors— on our side of the channel. these sensors are very long reeehhhe. — these sensors are very long reaching. there's- these sensors are very long reaching. there's just a failure of imagination,— reaching. there's just a failure of imagination, i'm afraid . and of imagination, i'm afraid. and if of imagination, i'm afraid. and h rhhe— of imagination, i'm afraid. and h rhhe wee— of imagination, i'm afraid. and if this were a— of imagination, i'm afraid. and if this were a military eeererheh— if this were a military operation and had to stop operation and we had to stop eeeehe— operation and we had to stop heeree-wee- operation and we had to stop eeeehe-we-elhl operation and we had to stop. people-we'diit. how people crossing, we'd do it. how rehhehr— people crossing, we'd do it. how rehhehr ee— people crossing, we'd do it. how reliant are we,— people crossing, we'd do it. how reliant are we, chris, on the eeeeeh— reliant are we, chris, on the eeeeeh er— reliant are we, chris, on the eeeeeh er rhe— reliant are we, chris, on the support of the french to tackle the support of the french to tackle rhe erhehe— support of the french to tackle rhe erhehe e — support of the french to tackle the crisis ? can— support of the french to tackle the crisis ? can we- support of the french to tackle the crisis ? cr?“ r:r:::r support of the french to tackle the crisis ? cr?“ r:rt:r c

the crisis? can we do it ourselves unilaterally ? no, we ourselves unilaterally? no, we can't, because the t. “ 7’ no, we can't, because the legislation eeeehh— can't, because the legislation doesn't allow— can't, because the legislation doesn't allow us— can't, because the legislation doesn't allow us to do that. at rhe— doesn't allow us to do that. at rhe memer— doesn't allow us to do that. at the moment. and— doesn't allow us to do that. at the moment. and again, the heoheherheh— the moment. and again, the legislation is— the moment. and again, the legislation is about ten years ree— legislation is about ten years hee hee.— legislation is about ten years too late. that's— legislation is about ten years too late. that's the first rhhhe. — too late. that's the first thing. secondly what we should do thing. secondly what we should he he— thing. secondly what we should he he eee— thing. secondly what we should he he rhe— thing. secondly what we should do is see the whole channel as a hemehherheh— do is see the whole channel as a humanitarian crisis— do is see the whole channel as a humanitarian crisis area and we eheehe— humanitarian crisis area and we eheehe he— humanitarian crisis area and we should be encouraging the french to should be encouraging the french re hehe— should be encouraging the french re hehh ee— should be encouraging the french to help us solve— should be encouraging the french to help us solve that. if this heheehhho— to help us solve that. if this were happening on land, the hehee— were happening on land, the united nations— were happening on land, the united nations would be jumping all united nations would be jumping ehh ee— united nations would be jumping ehh h— united nations would be jumping ehh h .— united nations would be jumping all over it . and— united nations would be jumping all over it . and right now we're all over it. and right now we're rreerhhe— all over it. and right now we're rreerhhe h— all over it. and right now we're rreerhhe h ee— all over it. and right now we're treating it as some— all over it. and right now we're treating it as some sort of ereeeeereh— treating it as some sort of procedural exercise that ends up whh— procedural exercise that ends up whh e— procedural exercise that ends up whh e eeh— procedural exercise that ends up whh e eeh er— procedural exercise that ends up with a sort of taxi _ procedural exercise that ends up with a sort of taxi service that hehee— with a sort of taxi service that eehee heereee— with a sort of taxi service that eehee eeeehe re— with a sort of taxi service that takes people to the united hheeem— takes people to the united kingdom-back. takes people to the united kingdom back to takes people to the united- kingdom-back to roman kingdom. you go back to roman rhmee— kingdom. you go back to roman rhmee :— kingdom. you go back to roman rhmee : heh— kingdom. you go back to roman times , mark. channel was times, mark. the channel was seen as a unified— times, mark. the channel was seen as a unified single command , seen as a unified single command : ehe— seen as a unified single command : ehe h— seen as a unified single command : ehe h wee— seen as a unified single command : ehe h ehe— seen as a unified single command , and it was and the— seen as a unified single command , and it was and the navies rhere— , and it was and the navies rhere wee— , and it was and the navies there were coordinated as such. we there were coordinated as such. we eheehe— there were coordinated as such. we eheehe he— there were coordinated as such. we should be coordinating this eeererheh— we should be coordinating this operation known— we should be coordinating this operation known as a combined rreheh— operation known as a combined rreheh ehe— operation known as a combined french and british— operation known as a combined french and british operation. we eheehehh— french and british operation. we eheehehh he— french and british operation. we shouldn't be seeing it as two eheee— shouldn't be seeing it as two eheee er— shouldn't be seeing it as two eheee er rhe— shouldn't be seeing it as two sides of the channel. it should be sides of the channel. it should he e— sides of the channel. it should he e heere— sides of the channel. it should be a single, unified operational area . now, you've— be a single, unified operational area. hrttrri be a single, unified operational area . hrttrri area. now, you've mentioned that it's a humanity in crisis. you're absolutely right . people you're absolutely right. people have died crossing that channel. it's a tragedy for them and they

are victims of cruel people , are victims of cruel people, traffickers. it's also , isn't it traffickers. it's also, isn't it an economic crisis, given the fact that we're spending in the region of 6 or £7 million a day home ousting and accommodating people that have entered the country illegally, often in hotels, which is very disruptive for local communities. it affects tourism as well, but it's a national security concern as well, isn't it? and of course , this is your area of expertise with reports this week that upwards of 19 terror suspects have crossed the channel illegally . yeah well, it's worse illegally. yeah well, it's worse than that. i mean, we've had eeehhe— than that. i mean, we've had eeeehe eeme— than that. i mean, we've had people come across- i mean, we've had people come across who were eeeheree— people come across who were declared murderers. they've put it declared murderers. they've put h eh— declared murderers. they've put h eh rhehr— declared murderers. they've put it on their sort— declared murderers. they've put it on their sort of— declared murderers. they've put it on their sort of entry form ehe— it on their sort of entry form ehe rhew-we— it on their sort of entry form and they've served 60 days for ehwheeehw— and they've served 60 days for obviously entering the uk hhheoehhw— obviously entering the uk illegally and— obviously entering the uk illegally and promptly have ehehmee— illegally and promptly have claimed asylum. so the whole ewerem — claimed asylum. so the whole ewerem he— claimed asylum. so the whole system is totally— claimed asylum. so the whole system is totally as i said, eereee— system is totally as i said, eereee her— system is totally as i said, porous. but going back to your eehe— porous. but going back to your eehee heh— porous. but going back to your point herh wee— porous. but going back to your point, mark, you know, we keep eereee— point, mark, you know, we keep eehhho rhe— point, mark, you know, we keep putting the burden of guilt onto the traffickers _ putting the burden of guilt onto the traffickers here. of course

rhew-re— the traffickers here. of course rhew-re oehhw— the traffickers here. of course they're guilty. you know, rhew-re— they're guilty. you know, they're exploiting people. hhew-re— they're exploiting people. they're making money out of it. but they're making money out of it. her he— they're making money out of it. her rhhe he— they're making money out of it. but this is like— they're making money out of it. but this is like the— they're making money out of it. but this is like the argument on ereee.— but this is like the argument on ereee. vee— but this is like the argument on drugs. you know,— but this is like the argument on drugs. you know, it's not just eheer— drugs. you know, it's not just eheer rhe— drugs. you know, it's not just about the drugs— drugs. you know, it's not just about the drugs traffickers. we-we— about the drugs traffickers. we-we eer— about the drugs traffickers. we-we oer re — about the drugs traffickers. we've got to lay some of the theme— we've got to lay some of the theme-heeree- we've got to lay some of the blame people who are blame on the people who are eereehhw— blame on the people who are eereehhw-hh— blame on the people who are actually-in this. - blame on the people who are actually in this. if actually involved in this. if there— actually involved in this. if there weren't— actually involved in this. if there weren't customers, the rrehhehere— there weren't customers, the traffickers actually traffickers wouldn't actually be in traffickers wouldn't actually be hh—hhe— traffickers wouldn't actually be hh—hhe h-e- traffickers wouldn't actually be in _and it's the - traffickers wouldn't actually be in and it's the same in the game. and it's the same whh— in the game. and it's the same whh ereee— in the game. and it's the same whh ereee .— in the game. and it's the same with drugs . you— in the game. and it's the same with drugs . you until we with drugs. you know, until we ehhh— with drugs. you know, until we shift-burden— with drugs. you know, until we shift-burden of— shift the burden of responsibility the shift the burden of- responsibility-the drug responsibility onto the drug rehere— responsibility onto the drug rehere :— responsibility onto the drug takers , then— responsibility onto the drug takers , then we're going takers, then we're never going to takers, then we're never going re eehe— takers, then we're never going re eewe rhe — takers, then we're never going to solve the drug— takers, then we're never going to solve the drug crisis. it's rhe— to solve the drug crisis. it's the ee— to solve the drug crisis. it's the same here.— to solve the drug crisis. it's the same here. the government's mehhhe— the same here. the government's mehhhe heheee— the same here. the government's making noises of— the same here. the government's making noises of saying, look, if making noises of saying, look, h-ehe— making noises of saying, look, if-and penetrate- making noises of saying, look, if and penetrate the if you come and penetrate the eereee— if you come and penetrate the hereer: weere— if you come and penetrate the border, you're committing an ehehee— border, you're committing an ehehee .— border, you're committing an ehehee . h-e— border, you're committing an offence . it's as— border, you're committing an offence . it's as simple as that. offence. it's as simple as that. and,— offence. it's as simple as that. hee-hhew— offence. it's as simple as that. and, know, australia, if and, you know, in australia, if you— and, you know, in australia, if wee—hhee- and, you know, in australia, if wee—thee wee- and, you know, in australia, ifi you—that, you never you try and do that, you never eer— you try and do that, you never ever get granted— you try and do that, you never ever get granted residency . but ever get granted residency. but go ever get granted residency. but 90 heeh— ever get granted residency. but 90 heeh re— ever get granted residency. but go back to what— ever get granted residency. but go back to what i— ever get granted residency. but go back to what i said erhohhehhw— go back to what i said erhohhehhw :— go back to what i said originally , mark, until you have originally, mark, until you have a originally, mark, until you have e—hheee— originally, mark, until you have e—eheee ehe- originally, mark, until you have a_place and know. a strategy in place and know wher— a strategy in place and know whet-weer— a strategy in place and know what-want to _ a strategy in place and know what want to achieve and what you want to achieve and eehehhhw— what you want to achieve and certainly-heard- what you want to achieve and certainly heard what certainly i've never heard what any— certainly i've never heard what ehw oewemmehr— certainly i've never heard what any government is trying to eehhewe— any government is trying to achieve-you're- any government is trying to achieve you're never achieve here. you're never going to achieve here. you're never going re—hr.— achieve here. you're never going re—hr. chrhe- achieve here. you're never going to_dr. chris parry| to get anywhere. dr. chris parry her-e— to get anywhere. dr. chris parry her-e hrhhe— to get anywhere. dr. chris parry here the h— to get anywhere. dr. chris parry let's bring in broadcast and hemehher— let's bring in broadcast and journalist mike— let's bring in broadcast and journalist mike porky parry. \rt:r journalist mike porky parry. no reherhem— journalist mike porky parry. no rehehhem her— journalist mike porky parry. no relation, but mike,— journalist mike porky parry. no relation, but mike, how- journalist mike porky parry. no relation, but mike, how would you solve this crisis ? well, you solve this crisis? well, i've listened to— rt 37 well, i've listened to everything ru 37 well, i've listened to everything that chrhe— i've listened to everything that chrhe hee— i've listened to everything that chris has said,— i've listened to everything that chris has said, and it's

brilliant— chris has said, and it's brilliant ._ chris has said, and it's brilliant . chris, chris has said, and it's brilliant. chris, i chris has said, and it's brilliant . chris, i don't want brilliant. chris, i don't want to brilliant. chris, i don't want re 90— brilliant. chris, i don't want re 90 heeh— brilliant. chris, i don't want to go back too— brilliant. chris, i don't want to go back too far, but my tether— to go back too far, but my rerher mw— to go back too far, but my father my father was in the heweh— father my father was in the heweh weww— father my father was in the royal navy for— father my father was in the royal navy for six years. he hehee— royal navy for six years. he tehhee hh— royal navy for six years. he joined in 1940— royal navy for six years. he joined in 1940 when he was 17 weere— joined in 1940 when he was 17 weere er— joined in 1940 when he was 17 weere er eee— joined in 1940 when he was 17 years of age and— joined in 1940 when he was 17 years of age and came out in 46. he years of age and came out in 46. he ee— years of age and came out in 46. he eh— years of age and came out in 46. he eh rhe— years of age and came out in 46. he was on the d—day landings. hew— he was on the d—day landings. wew hhher— he was on the d—day landings. now hitler couldn't get across the them— now hitler couldn't get across the english channel. he'd eeheeeree— the english channel. he'd conquered all— the english channel. he'd conquered all of europe. and the heer— conquered all of europe. and the he ee— conquered all of europe. and the last one was operation sea lion. eer— last one was operation sea lion. eer eve— last one was operation sea lion. get over, conquer— last one was operation sea lion. get over, conquer the earth. he eehee-r.— get over, conquer the earth. he eeehehh. her— get over, conquer the earth. he couldn't. but all— get over, conquer the earth. he couldn't. but all these little heere— couldn't. but all these little heere eeh— couldn't. but all these little boats can. and— couldn't. but all these little boats can. and we don't have a new— boats can. and we don't have a new hheee— boats can. and we don't have a new rheee hewe— boats can. and we don't have a navy these days. we don't have eheeeh— navy these days. we don't have eheeoh ehhhe— navy these days. we don't have eheeoh ehhee re— navy these days. we don't have enough ships to be able to even heve— enough ships to be able to even heve e— enough ships to be able to even have a presence— enough ships to be able to even have a presence in— enough ships to be able to even have a presence in the english chemeh— have a presence in the english chemeh re— have a presence in the english chemeh re hw— have a presence in the english channel to try and show people heeh— channel to try and show people heeh eee-r— channel to try and show people dodi don't come— channel to try and show people dodi don't come here. you know, we heve— dodi don't come here. you know, we heve re— dodi don't come here. you know, we have to have— dodi don't come here. you know, we have to have a— dodi don't come here. you know, we have to have a barrier and a hereer— we have to have a barrier and a hereer herweeh — we have to have a barrier and a border between continental herehe— border between continental hereee ehe— border between continental europe and the— border between continental europe and the united kingdom. we europe and the united kingdom. we eee-r— europe and the united kingdom. we eehh heve— europe and the united kingdom. we don't have that. the other rhhhe— we don't have that. the other there he— we don't have that. the other thing is, chris,— we don't have that. the other thing is, chris, which you kind of thing is, chris, which you kind er reeehee— thing is, chris, which you kind of touched on,— thing is, chris, which you kind of touched on, is— thing is, chris, which you kind of touched on, is that one of he— of touched on, is that one of the eeeem— of touched on, is that one of the reasons people come here is heeeeee— the reasons people come here is heeeeee whee— the reasons people come here is because when they— the reasons people come here is because when they do their made so welcome, we don't have heehrhw— so welcome, we don't have identity cards— so welcome, we don't have identity cards in- so welcome, we don't have identity cards in this country. so identity cards in this country. he ehwheew— identity cards in this country. so anybody who _ identity cards in this country. so anybody who gets here and hen— so anybody who gets here and

thee ethe— so anybody who gets here and then slips out— so anybody who gets here and then slips out of,— so anybody who gets here and then slips out of, you know, the hrehhem — then slips out of, you know, the erehhem eheer— then slips out of, you know, the problem about being put into a eeme— problem about being put into a eeme er— problem about being put into a eeme er e— problem about being put into a camp or a hotel— problem about being put into a camp or a hotel or— problem about being put into a camp or a hotel or something can heer— camp or a hotel or something can teer heh— camp or a hotel or something can teer tehh rhe— camp or a hotel or something can just join the black— camp or a hotel or something can just join the black economy and ereh— just join the black economy and can start working— just join the black economy and can start working anywhere they weer— can start working anywhere they went heeeeee— can start working anywhere they want because there's no identification - want because there's no identification cards. america hehh— identification cards. america hehh eh— identification cards. america was built on immigrants. i'm rehe— was built on immigrants. i'm here rhet— was built on immigrants. i'm here the e— was built on immigrants. i'm told that a million times a day. her— told that a million times a day. her when— told that a million times a day. but when immigrants went to hmerhee— but when immigrants went to america from _ but when immigrants went to america from italy or ireland , america from italy or ireland, excuse me, or anywhere else from ereehe— excuse me, or anywhere else from ereehe rhe— excuse me, or anywhere else from around the world,— excuse me, or anywhere else from around the world, the minute thew— around the world, the minute rhew heheee— around the world, the minute they landed at— around the world, the minute they landed at ellis island, if thew— they landed at ellis island, if rhew wee— they landed at ellis island, if they were physically not fit or mehrehhw— they were physically not fit or mehrehhw her— they were physically not fit or mentally not fit— they were physically not fit or mentally not fit ,_ they were physically not fit or mentally not fit , they were not mentally not fit, they were not eemhhee— mentally not fit, they were not admitted and— mentally not fit, they were not admitted and they were also rehe— admitted and they were also here: wee— admitted and they were also told, you come— admitted and they were also told, you come here, but you do her— told, you come here, but you do her eer— told, you come here, but you do her get ee— told, you come here, but you do not get one single— told, you come here, but you do not get one single cent help hem— not get one single cent help hem rhe— not get one single cent help from the state. _ not get one single cent help from the state. you have to preve— from the state. you have to ereve rhet— from the state. you have to ereve the wee— from the state. you have to prove that you want to be here by prove that you want to be here hw heehhhe— prove that you want to be here by looking after— prove that you want to be here by looking after yourself. and i heer— by looking after yourself. and i he rhhhh— by looking after yourself. and i just think we're— by looking after yourself. and i just think we're just too weheemhhe. — just think we're just too welcoming. we're a great eeeehw— welcoming. we're a great eeehhw. we— welcoming. we're a great country. we take it in people over centuries— country. we take it in people over centuries to _ country. we take it in people over centuries to try and help them — over centuries to try and help them ehe— over centuries to try and help them and make— over centuries to try and help them and make them feel safe, but them and make them feel safe, her he— them and make them feel safe, her he eehe— them and make them feel safe, her he eehe .— them and make them feel safe, but it's gone . the— them and make them feel safe, but it's gone . the pendulum has but it's gone. the pendulum has eehe— but it's gone. the pendulum has eehe ree— but it's gone. the pendulum has oehe hee rer— but it's gone. the pendulum has gone too far towards over

helping— gone too far towards over helping them. h gone too far towards over- helping them. however, dr. parry , this has become a hot political issue . rishi sunak political issue. rishi sunak sees this issue as an opportunity to recalibrate his premiership and win the next election. do you not think that rishi sunaks political ambitions could see movement on the issue 7 could see movement on the issue ? yeah. before i answer that, if you don't mind, mark, i'll say to mike, look, we've done a great job of keeping germans out since 1940. you can say that's a reeh— since 1940. you can say that's a reeh heh— since 1940. you can say that's a reeh rheh hh— since 1940. you can say that's a real tick in the— “rt.rt ”eat/0 you can say that's a real tick in the channel. we've heer— real tick in the channel. we've heer heer— real tick in the channel. we've heer kept them— real tick in the channel. we've kept kept them out. it's not the job kept kept them out. it's not the teh er— kept kept them out. it's not the teh er rhe— kept kept them out. it's not the teh er the new— kept kept them out. it's not the job of the navy to— kept kept them out. it's not the job of the navy to keep migrants and job of the navy to keep migrants ehe rereeeee— job of the navy to keep migrants and refugees out. _ job of the navy to keep migrants and refugees out. that's the job of and refugees out. that's the job er eer— and refugees out. that's the job of our maritime— and refugees out. that's the job of our maritime agencies . of our maritime agencies. hhew-re— of our maritime agencies. hhew-re heer— of our maritime agencies. they're just not doing the job wehh— they're just not doing the job well because _ they're just not doing the job well because they're not resourced to _ well because they're not resourced to do it from a reehhheeh— resourced to do it from a technical or— resourced to do it from a technical or a- resourced to do it from a technical or a financial point of technical or a financial point er vhew— technical or a financial point er hhe— technical or a financial point of view. the issue i would ehwewe— of view. the issue i would ehwewe weer— of view. the issue i would always want this country to be eehe— always want this country to be ehhe re— always want this country to be able to welcome— always want this country to be able to welcome refugees is what we hevehh— able to welcome refugees is what we haven't done— able to welcome refugees is what we haven't done is— able to welcome refugees is what we haven't done is separated out the eeeherm— we haven't done is separated out the economic migrant migrants hem— the economic migrant migrants hem rhe— the economic migrant migrants from the refugees. it's as ehmehe— from the refugees. it's as ehmehe ee— from the refugees. it's as simple as that- from the refugees. it's as simple as that to be a refugee, vou— simple as that to be a refugee, wee heer— simple as that to be a refugee, wee teer heve— simple as that to be a refugee, wee teer heve re— simple as that to be a refugee, you just have to say you're one. at rhe— you just have to say you're one. at the moment.— you just have to say you're one. at the moment. and to your point

eheer— at the moment. and to your point eheer hh— at the moment. and to your point about id cards,— at the moment. and to your point about id cards, i've— at the moment. and to your point about id cards, i've just taken eehhverw— about id cards, i've just taken eehhverw er— about id cards, i've just taken eehhverw er eh— about id cards, i've just taken delivery of an amazon package. i had delivery of an amazon package. i hee re— delivery of an amazon package. i hee re ehew— delivery of an amazon package. i had to show an— delivery of an amazon package. i had to show an id— delivery of an amazon package. i had to show an id to actually heve— had to show an id to actually heve h— had to show an id to actually heve h .— had to show an id to actually heve h. wew:— had to show an id to actually have it. now, you— had to show an id to actually have it . now, you know, if we have it. now, you know, if we heve— have it. now, you know, if we heve re— have it. now, you know, if we heve he he— have it. now, you know, if we heve he he h— have it. now, you know, if we have to do it for— have it. now, you know, if we have to do it for that and for hhvhhe— have to do it for that and for hhvhhe ehe— have to do it for that and for driving and for— have to do it for that and for driving and for voting and all her— driving and for voting and all her eeh— driving and for voting and all her eeh er— driving and for voting and all that sort of thing, you're eheeherehw— that sort of thing, you're absolutely right. we have to eereehhw— absolutely right. we have to actually start— absolutely right. we have to actually start saying to people, wee-ve— actually start saying to people, wee-ve eer— actually start saying to people, wee-ve oer re— actually start saying to people, you've got to have— actually start saying to people, you've got to have identity you've got to have an identity rhet— you've got to have an identity rher—.— you've got to have an identity rher—. hhe- you've got to have an identityi that_. and finally, that is verifiable. and finally, to that is verifiable. and finally, re weer— that is verifiable. and finally, re weer eehe— that is verifiable. and finally, to your point, mark, the conservative— to your point, mark, the conservative party has said all eheee— conservative party has said all ehehe rhet— conservative party has said all eheho the h— conservative party has said all along that it wants to be able to along that it wants to be able re eeeh— along that it wants to be able re eeeh whh— along that it wants to be able to deal with the— along that it wants to be able to deal with the channel crisis. h-m — to deal with the channel crisis. h-m her— to deal with the channel crisis. rm her going— to deal with the channel crisis. rm her going re— to deal with the channel crisis. i'm not going to criticise the heme— i'm not going to criticise the prime minister— i'm not going to criticise the prime minister for saying he's going— prime minister for saying he's going re— prime minister for saying he's going he he— prime minister for saying he's going he he h.— prime minister for saying he's going to do it. i'm going to erhhehee— going to do it. i'm going to criticise the— going to do it. i'm going to criticise the prime minister for the-heeree.— criticise the prime minister for the-election..he- criticise the prime minister for the election. he doesn't the next election. if he doesn't eehheve— the next election. if he doesn't achieve anything _ the next election. if he doesn't achieve anything ._ the next election. if he doesn't achieve anything . you know, at achieve anything. you know, at the ehe— achieve anything. you know, at the end er— achieve anything. you know, at the end er-eew— achieve anything. you know, at the end of day the home the end of the day the home seerererw— the end of the day the home secretary-the— the end of the day the home- secretary-the-minister secretary and the prime minister heve— secretary and the prime minister heve-eer— secretary and the prime minister have-set their- secretary and the prime minister have _set their cap- secretary and the prime minister have set their cap at have actually set their cap at the— have actually set their cap at the .— have actually set their cap at the . hhew— have actually set their cap at this. they will— have actually set their cap at this . they will be held to this. they will be held to eeeeehr— this. they will be held to account for— this. they will be held to account for it— this. they will be held to account for it by the country ehe— account for it by the country ehe thew— account for it by the country and they need— account for it by the country and they need to— account for it by the country and they need to deliver . account for it by the country and they need to deliver. now chrhe— and they need to deliver. now chrhe herrw— and they need to deliver. now chris parry, always a privilege to chris parry, always a privilege re heve— chris parry, always a privilege re heve wee— chris parry, always a privilege to have you on— chris parry, always a privilege to have you on the show. thank you— to have you on the show. thank wee ee— to have you on the show. thank wee ee heeh— to have you on the show. thank you so much for— to have you on the show. thank you so much for your wise thoughts on a potential summer migrant crisis in the channel. dr. chris parry, former high ranking naval officer and a

brilliant political commentator. let me tell you now , coming up, let me tell you now, coming up, amid a lack of evidence that they work, is it time to consign nine masks to the dustbin of history? that's .

next welcome back to mark dolan tonight. now the highly respected professor of evidence based medicine at oxford university, carl henaghan , along university, carl henaghan, along with top epidemiologist at tom jefferson, have written a highly critical article in response to the uk health security agency's review on the effectiveness of masks during the pandemic. both scientists have cited some of the studies as being beyond poor or lacking the basics when it comes to the scientific method. they've also accused the government body of drawing conclusions based on cherry

picking and showcasing the data to suit the answer. they wanted . there's a surprise. they go on to say, and i quote, no one looked under the bonnet of these studies to see if they were fit for making effective policy in the face of such poor quality evidence. opinions over what to do next as opposed to the evidence will continue to dominate the debates . but given dominate the debates. but given that three years on, three years on from the outbreak of covid and with opinions so divided is it time to ditch masks once and for all and consign them to the dustbin of history , particularly dustbin of history, particularly in the light of a recent study which suggested that masks may even have been ineffective in stopping the spread of covid in a hospital setting? to discuss this, i'm delighted to welcome dr. colin axon, senior lecturer in mechanical engineering at brunel university in london. brilliant to have you on the show, dr. axon , welcome to mark show, dr. axon, welcome to mark dolan tonight. thank you . thanks dolan tonight. thank you. thanks for your time. given that three

years on from the outbreak of covid and with opinions so divided, do you think that we need to move on from this policy of masking ? wouldn't we know of masking? wouldn't we know after three years whether they work or don't ? this is actually work or don't? this is actually quite a tricky question. i think. yes, we should move quite a tricky question. i- think. yes, we should move on. here— think. yes, we should move on. hhere he— think. yes, we should move on. hhere he he— think. yes, we should move on. there is no clear— think. yes, we should move on. there is no clear evidence that there— there is no clear evidence that there he— there is no clear evidence that there he ehw— there is no clear evidence that there is any benefit or positive ehee— there is any benefit or positive effect .— there is any benefit or positive effect . hm:— there is any benefit or positive effect . um, the— there is any benefit or positive effect . um, the update covid effect. um, the update covid ceehrehe— effect. um, the update covid cochrane review,— effect. um, the update covid cochrane review, which is the eehe— cochrane review, which is the gold standard— cochrane review, which is the gold standard of— cochrane review, which is the gold standard of reviewing evheehee— gold standard of reviewing evidence or— gold standard of reviewing evidence or medical evidence and meter— evidence or medical evidence and meeheeh ereehee— evidence or medical evidence and medical studies that it came to the conclusion— medical studies that it came to the conclusion that as you have heree:— the conclusion that as you have stated, rhet— the conclusion that as you have stated, that nearly— the conclusion that as you have stated, that nearly all studies er— stated, that nearly all studies er verw— stated, that nearly all studies were of very poor— stated, that nearly all studies were of very poor quality, did her— were of very poor quality, did her reeeh— were of very poor quality, did her reeeh e— were of very poor quality, did not reach a minimum threshold to be not reach a minimum threshold to he eeheheeree— not reach a minimum threshold to be considered as— not reach a minimum threshold to be considered as strong evidence or be considered as strong evidence er eeereh— be considered as strong evidence or even useful evidence. and so he— or even useful evidence. and so the her— or even useful evidence. and so the her repert— or even useful evidence. and so the her reeeh :— or even useful evidence. and so the that report , which was led

the that report, which was led by hem — the that report, which was led by tom jefferson— the that report, which was led by tom jefferson , said that by tom jefferson, said that there-e— by tom jefferson, said that rhere-e he — by tom jefferson, said that there's no clear— by tom jefferson, said that there's no clear signal, there's no there's no clear signal, there's he cheer— there's no clear signal, there's no clear effect— there's no clear signal, there's no clear effect ._ there's no clear signal, there's no clear effect . some studies do no clear effect. some studies do say— no clear effect. some studies do eew rhet— no clear effect. some studies do eew her there — no clear effect. some studies do say that there is— no clear effect. some studies do say that there is some claim there-e— say that there is some claim rhere-e eeme— say that there is some claim there's some effect, but those ereehee— there's some effect, but those ereehee wee— there's some effect, but those studies were of— there's some effect, but those studies were of poor quality and rhererere— studies were of poor quality and therefore the— studies were of poor quality and therefore the evidence is weak rhet— therefore the evidence is weak the there— therefore the evidence is weak her there he— therefore the evidence is weak that there is any— therefore the evidence is weak that there is any clear signal or that there is any clear signal er eew— that there is any clear signal er ehw cheer— that there is any clear signal or any clear benefit . and it's or any clear benefit. and it's it or any clear benefit. and it's h ehe— or any clear benefit. and it's it can seemingly— or any clear benefit. and it's it can seemingly be seemingly be eehe— it can seemingly be seemingly be eehe eemeehhe— it can seemingly be seemingly be quite confusing to— it can seemingly be seemingly be quite confusing to say, well, there-e— quite confusing to say, well, there's weak— quite confusing to say, well, there's weak evidence. and so wt— there's weak evidence. and so we say— there's weak evidence. and so some will say, oh,— there's weak evidence. and so some will say, oh, that's evheehee — some will say, oh, that's evidence. there is some effect. no,— evidence. there is some effect. we: rhet— evidence. there is some effect. we: the heeh— evidence. there is some effect. no, that isn't what— evidence. there is some effect. no, that isn't what it's saying, wher— no, that isn't what it's saying, wher h-e— no, that isn't what it's saying, what it's actually— no, that isn't what it's saying, what it's actually saying. and hem— what it's actually saying. and hem ehe— what it's actually saying. and hem end he— what it's actually saying. and tom and his team have correctly eehe— tom and his team have correctly eehe rhet— tom and his team have correctly eehe her he— tom and his team have correctly said that it's the— tom and his team have correctly said that it's the evidence that is said that it's the evidence that he week— said that it's the evidence that he weeh .— said that it's the evidence that he weeh . hm:— said that it's the evidence that is weak. um, so— said that it's the evidence that is weak. um, so from my understanding- is weak. um, so from my understanding of physics and engineering— understanding of physics and engineering of— understanding of physics and engineering of the materials eeeh— engineering of the materials eeee hh— engineering of the materials used in masks— engineering of the materials used in masks and in the physics of used in masks and in the physics er eh— used in masks and in the physics er ehr hew— used in masks and in the physics of air flow and— used in masks and in the physics of air flow and ventilation , um, of air flow and ventilation, um, i of air flow and ventilation, um, h weehe— of air flow and ventilation, um, h weehe her— of air flow and ventilation, um, i would not expect— of air flow and ventilation, um, i would not expect to see a cheer— i would not expect to see a eheer eheeeh— i would not expect to see a clear signal. um,- i would not expect to see a

clear signal. um, it the any , clear signal. um, it the any, rhe— clear signal. um, it the any, rhe verv— clear signal. um, it the any, even the very to— clear signal. um, it the any, even the very to very large , um, even the very to very large, um, reheme — even the very to very large, um, reheme :— even the very to very large, um, random , supposedly randomised random, supposedly randomised eehhehhee— random, supposedly randomised controlled studies— random, supposedly randomised controlled studies that have heeh— controlled studies that have been reported— controlled studies that have been reported ,_ controlled studies that have been reported , um showed that been reported, um showed that there— been reported, um showed that there mew— been reported, um showed that there may have— been reported, um showed that there may have been some small ehee— there may have been some small effect her— there may have been some small effect her wee— there may have been some small effect but was probably below a ererherheehhw— effect but was probably below a statistically valid— effect but was probably below a statistically valid or statistically valid or statistically strong uh , statistically strong uh, ereheere— statistically strong uh, standard to - statistically strong uh, standard to show that you could say standard to show that you could eew rhet— standard to show that you could eew her there — standard to show that you could say that there was— standard to show that you could say that there was an effect . so say that there was an effect. so the ehwehee— say that there was an effect. so the physics would— say that there was an effect. so the physics would indicate that you the physics would indicate that wee eeeh— the physics would indicate that wee eehh eew— the physics would indicate that you can't say that— the physics would indicate that you can't say that there is zero eheee— you can't say that there is zero eheer: her— you can't say that there is zero effect, but that— you can't say that there is zero effect, but that would be hmeeeehhhe— effect, but that would be impossible to— effect, but that would be impossible to say and that would not impossible to say and that would her he— impossible to say and that would her he eerreer— impossible to say and that would not be correct to— impossible to say and that would not be correct to say. but if it is not be correct to say. but if it he herew— not be correct to say. but if it he hehew e— not be correct to say. but if it is below a measurable effect, hhee— is below a measurable effect, rheh .— is below a measurable effect, rheh . hhe— is below a measurable effect, then . one would— is below a measurable effect, then . one would clearly have to then. one would clearly have to rhe— then. one would clearly have to examine the harms— then. one would clearly have to examine the harms and quantify hem,— examine the harms and quantify rhem: her— examine the harms and quantify rhem: her heer— examine the harms and quantify them, not just list— examine the harms and quantify them, not just list them out and say,— them, not just list them out and say were— them, not just list them out and say war, there— them, not just list them out and say, well, there may be these hheee— say, well, there may be these the heme— say, well, there may be these these harms could occur, but to eereehhw— these harms could occur, but to actually quantify— these harms could occur, but to actually quantify them through the ereehee— actually quantify them through the studies and— actually quantify them through the studies and this is what eehheeherhw— the studies and this is what particularly carl— the studies and this is what particularly carl henaghan has

heeh— particularly carl henaghan has heeh eewhhe— particularly carl henaghan has heeh eewhho rer— particularly carl henaghan has been saying for the last three weere— been saying for the last three weere rhet— been saying for the last three years that nobody has done this . hhe— years that nobody has done this . hme wer— years that nobody has done this were wet the— years that nobody has done this . and yet this balance between heherhe— . and yet this balance between hehehre ehe— . and yet this balance between benefits and harms, which has to benefits and harms, which has to he mete— benefits and harms, which has to he meee h— benefits and harms, which has to be made if there— benefits and harms, which has to be made if there is— benefits and harms, which has to be made if there is no clear hehehh— be made if there is no clear hehehh eh— be made if there is no clear hehehh eh :— be made if there is no clear benefit, uh , which is which is benefit, uh, which is which is he— benefit, uh, which is which is the eeee— benefit, uh, which is which is the case, there's— benefit, uh, which is which is the case, there's no clear heherh. — the case, there's no clear benefit. therefore, the harms meet— benefit. therefore, the harms meer he— benefit. therefore, the harms must be evaluated and absolutely meet— must be evaluated and absolutely meer he.— must be evaluated and absolutely meer he. vee— must be evaluated and absolutely meer he. he — must be evaluated and absolutely meer he. we r— must be evaluated and absolutely must be. yes i mean,— must be evaluated and absolutely must be. yes h must be evaluated and absolutely must be. yes j vest; must be evaluated and absolutely must be. yes “ j vest; rt“r: must be. yes i mean, dr. axe and i made headlines early in the pandemic chopping up a face mask on national radio because i was angry at the idea that you would mandate this these face coverings in the absence of compelling data demonstrating that they would move the dial in terms of stopping covid, you are a mechanical engineer, so could you illustrate in layman's terms the problem with face coverings as the proposed barrier to a virus like covid 19? okay so what we breathe out. . a ccj j ”97 so

what we breathe out. um is ehvheeehw— what we breathe out. um is obviously essentially all invisible. _ obviously essentially all invisible. they're all very emehh— invisible. they're all very emehh eehe— invisible. they're all very emehh eeree :— invisible. they're all very small parts , calls ranging from small parts, calls ranging from we hreerhe— small parts, calls ranging from we breathe in— small parts, calls ranging from we breathe in and— small parts, calls ranging from we breathe in and out with hhreeeh— we breathe in and out with hhreeeh .— we breathe in and out with hhreoeh . we— we breathe in and out with nitrogen . we breathe in the nitrogen. we breathe in the eeeee— nitrogen. we breathe in the oeeee rhet— nitrogen. we breathe in the gases that make up the air. hheee— gases that make up the air. hheee eeme— gases that make up the air. those come in— gases that make up the air. those come in and out and we hreerhe— those come in and out and we hreerhe hh— those come in and out and we breathe in oxygen.— those come in and out and we breathe in oxygen. co2 comes eer.— breathe in oxygen. co2 comes eer. her— breathe in oxygen. co2 comes eer. her he— breathe in oxygen. co2 comes out. but the nitrogen comes in ehe— out. but the nitrogen comes in end eeee— out. but the nitrogen comes in and goes straight— out. but the nitrogen comes in and goes straight back out eeehh. — and goes straight back out eeehh. hhe— and goes straight back out again. and those are molecules ehe— again. and those are molecules ehe hheee— again. and those are molecules ehe hheee eeee— again. and those are molecules and those pass straight through ehmeer— and those pass straight through ehmeer ehh— and those pass straight through almost all materials. in almost all materials. and in feet— almost all materials. and in feet: thew— almost all materials. and in fact, they don't. _ almost all materials. and in fact, they don't. you've got a big— fact, they don't. you've got a big erehhem— fact, they don't. you've got a big erehhem .— fact, they don't. you've got a big problem . um— fact, they don't. you've got a big problem . um the other things big problem. um the other things that big problem. um the other things the we— big problem. um the other things that we breathe— big problem. um the other things that we breathe out will be hhrhe— that we breathe out will be hhhhe hhe— that we breathe out will be little bits of— that we breathe out will be little bits of water vapour, hhrhe— little bits of water vapour, little bits— little bits of water vapour, little bits of— little bits of water vapour, little bits of nose lining, hhrhe— little bits of nose lining, little bits— little bits of nose lining, little bits of— little bits of nose lining, little bits of throat lining ereerere— little bits of throat lining ereerere .— little bits of throat lining etcetera . now- little bits of throat lining etcetera . now it's that, that is etcetera. now it's that, that is ehrhrehw— etcetera. now it's that, that is entirely normal.— etcetera. now it's that, that is entirely normal. that happens all entirely normal. that happens ehh rhe— entirely normal. that happens ehh rhe hme.— entirely normal. that happens all the time. if— entirely normal. that happens all the time. if you are infectious— all the time. if you are infectious and you've got some reeehrererw— infectious and you've got some respiratory illness— infectious and you've got some respiratory illness of any sort : em hhee— respiratory illness of any sort , um then some— respiratory illness of any sort , um then some part, some of hheee— , um then some part, some of those particles— , um then some part, some of those particles that make up her— those particles that make up her vhee— those particles that make up that virus will— those particles that make up that virus will also be released . wee-hh— that virus will also be released . you'll breed— that virus will also be released . you'll breed them out and the

.you'll breed them out and the ehh— .you'll breed them out and the eheh ehhehe— .you'll breed them out and the sick single viral— .you'll breed them out and the sick single viral particle is verv— sick single viral particle is verw emehh— sick single viral particle is very small and— sick single viral particle is very small and will pass through eeeehrhehhw— very small and will pass through essentially all— very small and will pass through essentially all of— very small and will pass through essentially all of the, uh, all of essentially all of the, uh, all er rhe— essentially all of the, uh, all of the masks— essentially all of the, uh, all of the masks that are short of hehe— of the masks that are short of hehhe eh— of the masks that are short of being an actual— of the masks that are short of being an actual respirator. but we eeeh— being an actual respirator. but now we don't just— being an actual respirator. but now we don't just breathe out eheee— now we don't just breathe out single particles.— now we don't just breathe out single particles. they might come clumped— single particles. they might come clumped together as a pair or come clumped together as a pair er hve— come clumped together as a pair er hve er— come clumped together as a pair or five or perhaps— come clumped together as a pair or five or perhaps one with a three— or five or perhaps one with a hhhhe hh— or five or perhaps one with a little bit of— or five or perhaps one with a little bit of water— or five or perhaps one with a little bit of water vapour or a hhhhe— little bit of water vapour or a hhhhe hh— little bit of water vapour or a little bit of— little bit of water vapour or a little bit of nose— little bit of water vapour or a little bit of nose lining, ereerere. — little bit of nose lining, etcetera. so _ little bit of nose lining, etcetera. so there's a whole rehee— etcetera. so there's a whole rehee er— etcetera. so there's a whole range of sizes— etcetera. so there's a whole range of sizes of— etcetera. so there's a whole range of sizes of particles that we hreerhe— range of sizes of particles that we breathe out. _ range of sizes of particles that we breathe out. if— range of sizes of particles that we breathe out. if we were hmeerheee— we breathe out. if we were infectious and— we breathe out. if we were infectious and that is what is her— infectious and that is what is her reehhw— infectious and that is what is not really being— infectious and that is what is not really being thought about heeeeee— not really being thought about heeeeee h— not really being thought about because it is— not really being thought about because it is quite literally eer— because it is quite literally eer er— because it is quite literally eer er ehhh— because it is quite literally out of sight, out of mind. you eeeh— out of sight, out of mind. you eehh h.— out of sight, out of mind. you can't see it. so— out of sight, out of mind. you can't see it. so people , it's can't see it. so people, it's ree— can't see it. so people, it's hee eeew— can't see it. so people, it's hee eeew re— can't see it. so people, it's too easy to think, say, well , too easy to think, say, well, or..— too easy to think, say, well, eh weere— too easy to think, say, well, a. weere heer— too easy to think, say, well, oh, you're just breathing out eeeee— oh, you're just breathing out eeeee er— oh, you're just breathing out oeeee er weee— oh, you're just breathing out gases or you're just breathing out gases or you're just breathing eer rhhhee— gases or you're just breathing out things that— gases or you're just breathing out things that you can you knew— out things that you can you know, droplets— out things that you can you know, droplets that you can see were— know, droplets that you can see weere her. — know, droplets that you can see you're not. there's— know, droplets that you can see you're not. there's nearly everwrhhhe— you're not. there's nearly everwrhhho he— you're not. there's nearly everything is very small and a bit everything is very small and a hhr hhooer— everything is very small and a bit bigger than— everything is very small and a bit bigger than molecules, but not bit bigger than molecules, but her ee— bit bigger than molecules, but her ee hhe— bit bigger than molecules, but her ee hhe ee— bit bigger than molecules, but not as big as things that you

can see, such— not as big as things that you can see, such as,— not as big as things that you can see, such as, say something there— can see, such as, say something there e— can see, such as, say something there e whhh— can see, such as, say something that's a width of— can see, such as, say something that's a width of a— can see, such as, say something that's a width of a strand of hehr. — that's a width of a strand of hehr. se— that's a width of a strand of hair. so there's— that's a width of a strand of hair. so there's this range of hheee.— hair. so there's this range of thee wew:— hair. so there's this range of things. now, the— hair. so there's this range of things. now, the smallest stuff whhh— things. now, the smallest stuff we heee— things. now, the smallest stuff will pass through— things. now, the smallest stuff will pass through pretty much everwrhhhe— will pass through pretty much everwrhhho :— will pass through pretty much everwrhhho , rhe— will pass through pretty much everything , the largest stuff, everything, the largest stuff, er— everything, the largest stuff, er h— everything, the largest stuff, some of it will— everything, the largest stuff, some of it will get stopped. seme— some of it will get stopped. seme er— some of it will get stopped. seme er h— some of it will get stopped. some of it will— some of it will get stopped. some of it will get stuck for a three— some of it will get stuck for a hhhhe whhe — some of it will get stuck for a little while and— some of it will get stuck for a little while and they get hreerhee— little while and they get breathed back in or then pushed out breathed back in or then pushed eer whee— breathed back in or then pushed out when next— breathed back in or then pushed out when next time you breathe outw— out when next time you breathe eer: er— out when next time you breathe out, some of it— out when next time you breathe out, some of it might get eheheeeee— out, some of it might get eheheeoee :— out, some of it might get dislodged , there for dislodged, stick there for a hhrhe— dislodged, stick there for a little while _ dislodged, stick there for a little while and then get hehehoeh— little while and then get dislodged-of. dislodged. all sorts of processes are going and processes are going on and there— processes are going on and there whw— processes are going on and that's why there's no simple answer to this. _ that's why there's no simple answer to this. and that's why in answer to this. and that's why he eeh— answer to this. and that's why he eere whw— answer to this. and that's why he eere whw rhe— answer to this. and that's why in part why the argument is eereheree— in part why the argument is persisted for— in part why the argument is persisted for the last three weere— persisted for the last three years, even though the actual emhhrheeh— years, even though the actual empirical evidence that in the her— empirical evidence that in the reeh werhe— empirical evidence that in the real world use— empirical evidence that in the real world use by— empirical evidence that in the real world use by real people everw— real world use by real people everw day— real world use by real people everw day her— real world use by real people every day, that evidence has not eheheee— every day, that evidence has not eheheee hh— every day, that evidence has not changed in more— every day, that evidence has not changed in more or— every day, that evidence has not changed in more or less the last 20 changed in more or less the last he weere— changed in more or less the last 20 we. weer.— changed in more or less the last 20 years. well, absolutely . ' “r: 20 years. well, absolutely. and of 20 years. well, absolutely. and er wee — 20 years. well, absolutely. and of course, you know,— 20 years. well, absolutely. and of course, you know, you're the expert and i defer to your infinite scientific knowledge, colin, but the bottom line is we have these real world case studies now, don't we? let's

bnng studies now, don't we? let's bring mike parry into this. we've got countries like sweden who did not have mask mandates. we've got countries like germany and that had stricter and austria that had stricter mask mandates, which supposedly better n95 masks and all the rest of it. it didn't seem to make a discernible difference in terms of the overall spread of the virus . every western country the virus. every western country has had a comparable outcome really, and here's my point. mike parry i'm a libertarian. i believe in personal choice. wear a mask if you want to . but even a mask if you want to. but even if they did work, i think it was wrong in the first place to mandate them. yeah but you see, that's the problem. we're talking about— we're talking about hindsight here. hhee— talking about hindsight here. once he— talking about hindsight here. once the scientists had told us ehh— once the scientists had told us ehh going— once the scientists had told us we're all going to— once the scientists had told us we're all going to have to wear meeeh— we're all going to have to wear meeeh hhee— we're all going to have to wear masks, then the— we're all going to have to wear masks, then the hair had been let masks, then the hair had been her heeee— masks, then the hair had been let loose, hadn't— masks, then the hair had been let loose, hadn't it? yes the heh— let loose, hadn't it? yes the hehr wee— let loose, hadn't it? yes the hair was wrong.— let loose, hadn't it? yes the hair was wrong. correct. so the eehemw— hair was wrong. correct. so the economy was already two thirds eheeee— economy was already two thirds eheeee eeeh— economy was already two thirds closed down. the— economy was already two thirds closed down. the pubs were eheeee— closed down. the pubs were closed down.— closed down. the pubs were closed down. people were told not closed down. people were told her he— closed down. people were told her he 90— closed down. people were told her he 90 here— closed down. people were told not to go into work excuse me, werh— not to go into work excuse me, werh hem — not to go into work excuse me, work from home. _ not to go into work excuse me, work from home. th:r “r: work from home. do you mind wearing a mask? you filthy germs

in the studio? excuse me. so we here.— in the studio? excuse me. so we were told, don't— in the studio? excuse me. so we were told, don't go— in the studio? excuse me. so we were told, don't go to— “ r: rt:r7 excuse me. so we were told, don't go to work. you heee.— were told, don't go to work. you knew. werh— were told, don't go to work. you know, work from _ were told, don't go to work. you know, work from home. that kind of know, work from home. that kind er ehh— know, work from home. that kind er ereh. wew.— know, work from home. that kind of stuff. now, if— know, work from home. that kind of stuff. now, if you— know, work from home. that kind of stuff. now, if you wanted to go of stuff. now, if you wanted to 90 here— of stuff. now, if you wanted to 90 here e— of stuff. now, if you wanted to 90 here e ehee— of stuff. now, if you wanted to go into a shop, there was eemeheew— go into a shop, there was somebody at— go into a shop, there was somebody at the door saying, weeve— somebody at the door saying, veeve eer— somebody at the door saying, veeve eer re— somebody at the door saying, you've got to wear a mask to eeme-hhe— you've got to wear a mask to come-this shop.- you've got to wear a mask to come this shop. so you come into this shop. so you ehhh— come into this shop. so you didn't protest— come into this shop. so you didn't protest and say, i'm not weerhhe— didn't protest and say, i'm not weerhhe-h-m— didn't protest and say, i'm not wearing i'm making wearing a mask. i'm making my hereeheh— wearing a mask. i'm making my heheee-here.- wearing a mask. i'm making my personal here, take personal protest. here, take weer— personal protest. here, take weer eroemehr— personal protest. here, take your argument up and you've been preven— your argument up and you've been ereveh heroehw— your argument up and you've been ereveh heroehw re— your argument up and you've been proven largely to be— your argument up and you've been proven largely to be right that it proven largely to be right that h wee— proven largely to be right that it was probably— proven largely to be right that it was probably quite unnecessary. but in order to heee— unnecessary. but in order to heee eeeherw— unnecessary. but in order to keep society running at the very reeeeee— keep society running at the very reduced level,— keep society running at the very reduced level, it— keep society running at the very reduced level, it was running eehee— reduced level, it was running eerhhe rhe— reduced level, it was running during the covid pandemic heeheewh— during the covid pandemic heeheewh .— during the covid pandemic lockdown , you— during the covid pandemic lockdown , you had to wear lockdown, you had to wear a meeh. — lockdown, you had to wear a meeh. hhe— lockdown, you had to wear a meeh. hme h— lockdown, you had to wear a mask. and i was— lockdown, you had to wear a mask. and i was quite happy to. hhe— mask. and i was quite happy to. me eehe— mask. and i was quite happy to. and quite honestly, for my own eereeheh— and quite honestly, for my own eereeheh .— and quite honestly, for my own eereeheh . wee— and quite honestly, for my own personal , you know, peace of personal, you know, peace of mere— personal, you know, peace of mhhe. h— personal, you know, peace of mhhe. h h— personal, you know, peace of mhhe. h h eer— personal, you know, peace of mind, if i got on— personal, you know, peace of mind, if i got on a bus or a wee— mind, if i got on a bus or a wehh .— mind, if i got on a bus or a wehh . there— mind, if i got on a bus or a well , there was— mind, if i got on a bus or a well , there was nobody on trains well, there was nobody on trains hehe— well, there was nobody on trains hehhe eh— well, there was nobody on trains hehhe eh e— well, there was nobody on trains being eh e hee— well, there was nobody on trains being on a bus or— well, there was nobody on trains being on a bus or something like her.— being on a bus or something like the. h— being on a bus or something like the. h per— being on a bus or something like the. h per e— being on a bus or something like that. i put a mask— being on a bus or something like that. i put a mask on because i heweh.— that. i put a mask on because i rheeohr. heeh— that. i put a mask on because i thought, look, i— that. i put a mask on because i thought, look, i know i'm okay, but thought, look, i know i'm okay, her h— thought, look, i know i'm okay, her h eeeh— thought, look, i know i'm okay, but i don't know— thought, look, i know i'm okay, but i don't know that the person erehehhe— but i don't know that the person erehehhe twe— but i don't know that the person standing two feet— but i don't know that the person standing two feet away from me is standing two feet away from me he ehew— standing two feet away from me he ehew .— standing two feet away from me he ehew . rm— standing two feet away from me he ehew . rm going— standing two feet away from me is okay. i'm going to put the meek— is okay. i'm going to put the meek-hhe— is okay. i'm going to put the mask-mike, i- is okay. i'm going to put the mask-mike, i hear- is okay. i'm going to put the mask is okay. i'm going to put the- mask-mike, i hear you very mask on. mike, i hear you very briefly. i've only got a couple of seconds, colin, but this is

my i think we've got to my problem. i think we've got to get rid of this performance. kyiv covm get rid of this performance. kyiv covid theatre. was kyiv covid theatre. but it was hindsight , kyiv covid theatre. but it was hindsight, yes. colin no , it hindsight, yes. colin no, it wasn't hindsight. this the evidence was— wasn't hindsight. this the evidence was solid- e “ “at g“ this the evidence was solid for 20 years. so evidence was solid for 20 years. he the— evidence was solid for 20 years. he the wee— evidence was solid for 20 years. so this was known— evidence was solid for 20 years. so this was known and the advice . he there— so this was known and the advice was , is there not— so this was known and the advice was , is there not effective ? and was, is there not effective? and it was, is there not effective? and h wee— was, is there not effective? and h rerhee— was, is there not effective? and it was turned on— was, is there not effective? and it was turned on its head for no eeeh— it was turned on its head for no oeee eeem— it was turned on its head for no good reason. and— it was turned on its head for no good reason. and that's what heh— good reason. and that's what herh ehe— good reason. and that's what karl and tom— good reason. and that's what karl and tom were digging into in karl and tom were digging into hh rhet— karl and tom were digging into in that recent— karl and tom were digging into in that recent report that says when— in that recent report that says when thew— in that recent report that says when they dissected and shredded wher— when they dissected and shredded wher rhe— when they dissected and shredded wher rhe hh— when they dissected and shredded wher the uk .— when they dissected and shredded what the uk , how— when they dissected and shredded what the uk , how they had used what the uk, how they had used the ereehee— what the uk, how they had used the studies and— what the uk, how they had used the studies and picked bits and here— the studies and picked bits and here rer— the studies and picked bits and here for here— the studies and picked bits and here for here and— the studies and picked bits and here for here and there and chew— here for here and there and eherrw hehee— here for here and there and cherry picked data and periods of cherry picked data and periods er hme— cherry picked data and periods er rhme ehe— cherry picked data and periods of time and what— cherry picked data and periods of time and what have you. and it of time and what have you. and h wee— of time and what have you. and h rhet— of time and what have you. and it was that report. _ of time and what have you. and it was that report. okay that hemeh— it was that report. okay that turned everything on its head in this turned everything on its head in the eeehhw. — turned everything on its head in rhheeeehhw. — turned everything on its head in this country. colin.— turned everything on its head in this country. “ j“ this country. colin. colin you've been the voice of reason dunng you've been the voice of reason during the pandemic and you've clearly had a long day at the office . so thank you so much for office. so thank you so much for making the time to join us. thank you very much. now, there you thank you very much. now, there wee 90- — thank you very much. now, there wee 90- hr. — thank you very much. now, there you go. dr. colin axon and of

course, mike porky parry, my friday sidekick. let me say that the clear the government are very clear that those masks slowed the spread of covid 19, protected the nhs and saved lives. that is their strong view and the view of the medical authority is throughout the pandemic. it's not my view, but hey, this show is all about opinions, so keep those coming. marc gbnews.uk okay, next up, we're going to talk about the bbc . after a talk about the bbc. after a humiliating elon musk interview. ah, the organisation been guilty of misinformation and censorship. we'll speak to a comedy legend about that .

next welcome back to mark dolan tonight. i'll be dealing with

joe biden in my big opinion at 9:00. you won't want miss it. 9:00. you won't want to miss it. well, was the car crash well, it was the car crash interview of the week. not, sadly, on this show, though. we've our moments. tech we've had our moments. tech entrepreneur billionaire we've had our moments. tech entreprrowner billionaire we've had our moments. tech entreprrowner elonrillionaire we've had our moments. tech entreprrowner elon muskiire twitter owner elon musk made mincemeat reporter mincemeat out of a bbc reporter who accused social media who accused the social media boss preside over more hate boss of preside over more hate speech on social media speech on his social media network he took over. take network since he took over. take a at some point a listen. first of at some point rhe— a listen. first of at some point seen the euphoria— a listen. first of at some point seen the euphoria of- t srti“ first of at some point seen the euphoria of hateful eeeheeh— seen the euphoria of hateful content-asking. seen the euphoria of hatefuli content-asking for seen the euphoria of hateful- content.-asking for one content. and i'm asking for one example. you give example. right? you can't give a eheee— example. right? you can't give a ehhehe — example. right? you can't give a ehhohe hhe— example. right? you can't give a single one. and i'm— the? right? you can't give a single one. “r: “g single one. and i'm saying i then i say so that you don't know what you're talking about. awkward. so are the bbc guilty of misinformation and censorship? a man who censorship? let's ask a man who was suspended was permanently suspended by twitter for a less than controversial remark made about a person. though a trans person. though i'm pleased say his twitter pleased to say his twitter account at has been account at gliner has been reinstated following musks takeover. yes the genius comedy writer and co—creator of father ted black books and the it crowd among countless other hits, graham linehan joins me now. hi, graham. hey, mark. i just have to graham. hey, mark. i just have re eehehhw— graham. hey, mark. i just have to quickly correct— graham. hey, mark. i just have to quickly correct you- t hey, mark. i just have to quickly correct you there. i ehhh— to quickly correct you there. i ehehh h— to quickly correct you there. i ehehh h the.—

to quickly correct you there. i didn't i did. didn't get banned for didn't i did. didn't get banned her eemhhe— didn't i did. didn't get banned for coming after— didn't i did. didn't get banned for coming after a trans person. i for coming after a trans person. h eer— for coming after a trans person. r oer hemeh— for coming after a trans person. i got banned for— for coming after a trans person. i got banned for saying men erehr— i got banned for saying men aren't women,— i got banned for saying men aren't women, which is a much eehereh— aren't women, which is a much more general statement. will more general statement. well, heeh— more general statement. well, rhehh wee.— more general statement. well, thank you. thank— more general statement. well, thank you. thank you for the correction . and again, hardly an correction. and again, hardly an egregious remark, but enough to get you cancelled . yeah and get you cancelled. yeah and that's why i think— get you cancelled. yeah and that's why i think elon- gt; t t: t/rtuth“ and that's why i think elon taking over twitter— that's why i think elon taking over twitter is— that's why i think elon taking over twitter is so— that's why i think elon taking over twitter is so exciting heeeeee— over twitter is so exciting heeeeee he-e— over twitter is so exciting because he's not just he's not heer— because he's not just he's not the e— because he's not just he's not teer e ehew— because he's not just he's not just a show thing.— because he's not just he's not just a show thing. how the bbc hee— just a show thing. how the bbc hee heeh— just a show thing. how the bbc has been captured. he's showing how:— has been captured. he's showing hew. wee— has been captured. he's showing hew. wee heee.— has been captured. he's showing how, you know, the— has been captured. he's showing how, you know, the vast majority of how, you know, the vast majority er hhhe — how, you know, the vast majority er hhhe er— how, you know, the vast majority of kind of liberal— how, you know, the vast majority of kind of liberal left progressive- of kind of liberal left progressive news platforms have heeh— progressive news platforms have heeh eehreree— progressive news platforms have heeh eeereree .— progressive news platforms have been captured . you know, we've been captured. you know, we've hee— been captured. you know, we've we've had like— been captured. you know, we've we've had like about five years of uninterrupted— we've had like about five years of uninterrupted propaganda for rehhhhe— of uninterrupted propaganda for rehhhhe ee— of uninterrupted propaganda for telling us that— of uninterrupted propaganda for telling us that ,_ of uninterrupted propaganda for telling us that , you know, telling us that, you know, ehhhheh— telling us that, you know, children can— telling us that, you know, children can be born in the wrehe— children can be born in the wrong eeew.— children can be born in the wrong body, that they need eereheee— wrong body, that they need surgeries and— wrong body, that they need surgeries and drugs . to cure surgeries and drugs. to cure rhemeehvee.— surgeries and drugs. to cure themselves. and— surgeries and drugs. to cure themselves. and the bbc has been ehhehhe— themselves. and the bbc has been ehhohho hem — themselves. and the bbc has been singing from this— themselves. and the bbc has been singing from this hymn sheet heer— singing from this hymn sheet the hhe— singing from this hymn sheet just like everyone else. so it's rehreerhe— just like everyone else. so it's rehreerhe re— just like everyone else. so it's fantastic to see _ just like everyone else. so it's fantastic to see them

challenged. - fantastic to see them challenged. you know ? fantastic to see them— challenged. you know ? indeed. so challenged. you know? indeed. so veere— challenged. you know? indeed. so weere e— challenged. you know? indeed. so you're a cracking writer, but you're a cracking writer, but you couldn't have scripted that exchange, could you, any better than what played out ? yeah, it's than what played out? yeah, it's interesting. someone— : 7 yeah, it's interesting. someone pointed out that interesting. someone pointed out her he— interesting. someone pointed out her the hhe— interesting. someone pointed out that the bbc seem— interesting. someone pointed out that the bbc seem to have no heee— that the bbc seem to have no heee wher— that the bbc seem to have no idea what people— that the bbc seem to have no idea what people outside of ther— idea what people outside of their bubble— idea what people outside of their bubble actually think. you knew.— their bubble actually think. you knew. hhe— their bubble actually think. you know, like when— their bubble actually think. you know, like when that journalist i know, like when that journalist h rereer— know, like when that journalist h rereer hhe— know, like when that journalist i forget his name,— know, like when that journalist i forget his name, but when he whee— i forget his name, but when he wheh he-e— i forget his name, but when he when he's talking— i forget his name, but when he when he's talking about hate eeeeeh— when he's talking about hate eeeeeh .— when he's talking about hate eeeeeh . e— when he's talking about hate eeeeeh . e her— when he's talking about hate speech , a lot of— when he's talking about hate speech , a lot of the people who speech, a lot of the people who hhee— speech, a lot of the people who then heh— speech, a lot of the people who elon left back— speech, a lot of the people who elon left back on— speech, a lot of the people who elon left back on twitter when he eer— elon left back on twitter when he get heeh— elon left back on twitter when he got back were— elon left back on twitter when he got back were feminists. remhhhere— he got back were feminists. feminists were— he got back were feminists. feminists were silenced for like the— feminists were silenced for like hve weere— feminists were silenced for like five years because— feminists were silenced for like five years because they didn't go eheee— five years because they didn't go eheho whh— five years because they didn't go along with their gender heeeheow. — go along with their gender heeeheow. hhe— go along with their gender ideology. and the bbc has been eeehhhe— ideology. and the bbc has been eeehhho teeter.— ideology. and the bbc has been pushing gender, gender, ideology to pushing gender, gender, ideology re eeeh— pushing gender, gender, ideology re eeeh eh— pushing gender, gender, ideology to such an extent— pushing gender, gender, ideology to such an extent that they have ehhhhew— to such an extent that they have children, children's— to such an extent that they have children, children's programmes where— children, children's programmes where-teeth- children, children's programmes where-people it's- where they tell people it's eeeehhhe— where they tell people it's eeeehhhelhe— where they tell people it's possible be born in the wrong possible to be born in the wrong eeew— possible to be born in the wrong heew ehe— possible to be born in the wrong heew ehe thew— possible to be born in the wrong body and they tell— possible to be born in the wrong body and they tell children that there-e— body and they tell children that heree-hhee— body and they tell children that there's-than 97— body and they tell children that there's than 97 genders and there's more than 97 genders and all there's more than 97 genders and er rhhe— there's more than 97 genders and er rhhe ehh— there's more than 97 genders and all this stuff that— there's more than 97 genders and all this stuff that is— there's more than 97 genders and all this stuff that is confusing ehe— all this stuff that is confusing and incoherent— all this stuff that is confusing and incoherent and basically whet-e— and incoherent and basically what's happened is within the hhe— what's happened is within the tee .— what's happened is within the hhc . wee— what's happened is within the he . wee mew.— what's happened is within the bbc , you know, and this is this bbc, you know, and this is this is bbc, you know, and this is this he he— bbc, you know, and this is this he the eeee— bbc, you know, and this is this is the case with— bbc, you know, and this is this is the case with institutions all is the case with institutions ehh eve— is the case with institutions ehh rhe— is the case with institutions all over the uk— is the case with institutions all over the uk and within the

hhe— all over the uk and within the tee .— all over the uk and within the hhc . h-e— all over the uk and within the hhc . he he— all over the uk and within the bbc , it's the pride network who bbc, it's the pride network who are are controlling— bbc, it's the pride network who are are controlling the discourse— are are controlling the discourse around this issue. and it discourse around this issue. and h meehe— discourse around this issue. and h hhee— discourse around this issue. and it means that, again, over the heer— it means that, again, over the he the— it means that, again, over the last five years,— it means that, again, over the last five years, you have you rerehw— last five years, you have you rerehw heer— last five years, you have you rarely hear from _ last five years, you have you rarely hear from the leading hhehre— rarely hear from the leading the ef— rarely hear from the leading the er rhe— rarely hear from the leading lights of the feminist movement. heeehe— lights of the feminist movement. heeehe hhe— lights of the feminist movement. people like maya— lights of the feminist movement. people like maya forstater, hehee— people like maya forstater, heheh rewee— people like maya forstater, heheh rewee .— people like maya forstater, helen joyce , they just don't get helen joyce, they just don't get hhvhee— helen joyce, they just don't get hhvhee eere— helen joyce, they just don't get invited onto onto— helen joyce, they just don't get invited onto onto these ereoremmee— invited onto onto these programmes and i asked someone eheer— programmes and i asked someone eheer hhe— programmes and i asked someone about this, someone who worked at about this, someone who worked er rhe— about this, someone who worked e the hhe— about this, someone who worked er rhe hhc ehe— about this, someone who worked at the bbc and he— about this, someone who worked at the bbc and he and they said her— at the bbc and he and they said her ee— at the bbc and he and they said her rhhhe— at the bbc and he and they said that one thing that— at the bbc and he and they said that one thing that is a major hrehhem — that one thing that is a major problem within— that one thing that is a major problem within the bbc are weehoer— problem within the bbc are younger staffers simply ererehehhe— younger staffers simply pretending that the guests that thew— pretending that the guests that rhew wee— pretending that the guests that they were asked _ pretending that the guests that they were asked to look up like hewe— they were asked to look up like hewe er— they were asked to look up like hewe er hehee— they were asked to look up like maya or helen or— they were asked to look up like maya or helen or someone like the— maya or helen or someone like the heer— maya or helen or someone like this just wasn't— maya or helen or someone like this just wasn't available. so there-e— this just wasn't available. so rhere-e e— this just wasn't available. so there's a there's— this just wasn't available. so there's a there's a kind of a there-e— there's a there's a kind of a rhere-e emw— there's a there's a kind of a there's only half— there's a there's a kind of a there's only half a conversation going— there's only half a conversation going eh— there's only half a conversation going eh eheer— there's only half a conversation going on about what are the most hmhehehr— going on about what are the most important issues— going on about what are the most important issues that think we've ever faced , because, of we've ever faced, because, of rhe— we've ever faced, because, of course, the stakes— we've ever faced, because, of course, the stakes are so high heeeeee— course, the stakes are so high heeeeee weere— course, the stakes are so high because you're talking about the well-being— because you're talking about the wehh—hehhe er— because you're talking about the well—being of children and the eereoeerehhe— well—being of children and the safeguarding of— well—being of children and the safeguarding of women. you know r-how._ safeguarding of women. you know -hew hehem- safeguarding of women. you know , now, graham, you'll , of course, now, graham, you'll hhee— , of course, now, graham, you'll knew her— , of course, now, graham, you'll knew her the — , of course, now, graham, you'll know that the bbc— , of course, now, graham, you'll know that the bbc are not here

to know that the bbc are not here he eerehe— know that the bbc are not here to defend themselves. “ur know that the bbc are not here to defend themselves. "cg : to defend themselves. they would ereee— to defend themselves. they would argue that they make programming that's be inclusive, that's designed to be inclusive, including to trans people as well. of course, there's two sides to every story , but the sides to every story, but the likes of the bbc , it strikes me likes of the bbc, it strikes me that they're sceptical at best about the elon musk takeover of twitter because they don't want ordinary people to have a voice. yeah yeah, that's that's exactly it. and they they also want to thew— it. and they they also want to rhew weer— it. and they they also want to rhew wehr re — it. and they they also want to they want to place _ c and they they also want to they want to place a border ereehe— they want to place a border around certain— they want to place a border around certain conversations. vee— around certain conversations. vee heee.— around certain conversations. he knew. h— around certain conversations. you know, i mean— around certain conversations. you know, i mean obviously keep going— you know, i mean obviously keep going eh— you know, i mean obviously keep going eh eheer— you know, i mean obviously keep going on about it— you know, i mean obviously keep going on about it but my hhrereer— going on about it but my interest is— going on about it but my interest is feminism and what's heeeehhhe— interest is feminism and what's heeeehhho whh— interest is feminism and what's happening with, you know , happening with, you know, ehhheh— happening with, you know, children who— happening with, you know, children who are being placed on eehehw— children who are being placed on eehehw hheehhhe— children who are being placed on puberty blocking drugs and all hhe— puberty blocking drugs and all the. h— puberty blocking drugs and all the. h rhhhh— puberty blocking drugs and all this. i think it's— puberty blocking drugs and all this. i think it's the most hmeehehr— this. i think it's the most important issue facing us today. i important issue facing us today. h rhhhh— important issue facing us today. h rhhhh h— important issue facing us today. i think i think— important issue facing us today. i think i think we're actually heehhhe— i think i think we're actually heehhhe er— i think i think we're actually heehhho e e— i think i think we're actually looking at a huge mental and heehh— looking at a huge mental and health crisis— looking at a huge mental and health crisis ,_ looking at a huge mental and health crisis , uh,— looking at a huge mental and health crisis , uh, in next health crisis, uh, in the next few— health crisis, uh, in the next few wee. — health crisis, uh, in the next few years. and— health crisis, uh, in the next few years. and the bbc has been eeehehhe— few years. and the bbc has been eeehehho rhe— few years. and the bbc has been spending the last— few years. and the bbc has been spending the last ,_ few years. and the bbc has been spending the last , the last 5 or spending the last, the last 5 or 6 spending the last, the last 5 or e weere— spending the last, the last 5 or e weere ehmehw— spending the last, the last 5 or 6 years simply pretending that this 6 years simply pretending that the eehere— 6 years simply pretending that this debate doesn't exist. so so

h-ve— this debate doesn't exist. so so he ehwewe— this debate doesn't exist. so so i've always been— this debate doesn't exist. so so i've always been a— this debate doesn't exist. so so i've always been a firm believer in i've always been a firm believer he he— i've always been a firm believer he the hee.— i've always been a firm believer in the bbc. i've— i've always been a firm believer in the bbc. i've always thought thew— in the bbc. i've always thought rhew wee— in the bbc. i've always thought they were kind— in the bbc. i've always thought they were kind of— in the bbc. i've always thought they were kind of a jewel in, in hhe— they were kind of a jewel in, in hhe crewh— they were kind of a jewel in, in hhe crewh er— they were kind of a jewel in, in the crown of uk— they were kind of a jewel in, in the crown of uk culture . but for the crown of uk culture. but for the her— the crown of uk culture. but for the first time,— the crown of uk culture. but for the first time, i've— the crown of uk culture. but for the first time, i've been rhhhhhhe— the first time, i've been thinking of— the first time, i've been thinking of not paying my tv heeme— thinking of not paying my tv licence simply— thinking of not paying my tv licence simply because i will her— licence simply because i will her eew— licence simply because i will her eew rer— licence simply because i will her eew her he— licence simply because i will not pay for the grooming of a hehee— not pay for the grooming of a herheh .— not pay for the grooming of a herheh . hhe— not pay for the grooming of a nation . and that's essentially nation. and that's essentially whet-e— nation. and that's essentially what's happening. so elon coming in what's happening. so elon coming hh ehe— what's happening. so elon coming he met eveeehhe— what's happening. so elon coming in and exposing this is exactly where— in and exposing this is exactly what's needed— in and exposing this is exactly what's needed at— in and exposing this is exactly what's needed at this moment. vee— what's needed at this moment. he hhee— what's needed at this moment. he knew .— what's needed at this moment. he knew . we— what's needed at this moment. you know , we have had a kind of you know, we have had a kind of a you know, we have had a kind of ewher— you know, we have had a kind of ewher weehe— you know, we have had a kind of a what would you— you know, we have had a kind of a what would you call it, a hheeheer— a what would you call it, a blackout on— a what would you call it, a blackout on information from hem— blackout on information from from outlets— blackout on information from from outlets like— blackout on information from from outlets like the bbc, the heereee.— from outlets like the bbc, the guardian, the— from outlets like the bbc, the guardian, the independent, from outlets like the bbc, the guardian, the independent , the guardian, the independent, the hehe— guardian, the independent, the were. hheee— guardian, the independent, the metro. these publications are eeeehrhehhw— metro. these publications are essentially have— metro. these publications are essentially have essentially hemeh— essentially have essentially remee here— essentially have essentially turned into propagandist publication— turned into propagandist publication stations. and i rhhhh— publication stations. and i rhhhh rhet— publication stations. and i think that it— publication stations. and i think that it hopefully now that hhee— think that it hopefully now that then he— think that it hopefully now that elon is standing— think that it hopefully now that elon is standing up to all this rhet— elon is standing up to all this the h— elon is standing up to all this the h whhh— elon is standing up to all this that it will open— elon is standing up to all this that it will open up the conversation- that it will open up the conversation and we'll be able to conversation and we'll be able re heve— conversation and we'll be able to have discussions that we eheehe— to have discussions that we should have— to have discussions that we should have been able to have eheer— should have been able to have eheer hve— should have been able to have about five years— should have been able to have about five years ago. you know , about five years ago. you know, her— about five years ago. you know, but unfortunately,— about five years ago. you know, but unfortunately, people like

me ehe— but unfortunately, people like me met here.— but unfortunately, people like me and kelly, jay and helen rewee— me and kelly, jay and helen rewee ehe— me and kelly, jay and helen rewee ehe hewe— me and kelly, jay and helen joyce and maya forstater have heeh— joyce and maya forstater have heeh eehe— joyce and maya forstater have heeh ehhe re— joyce and maya forstater have been able to be— joyce and maya forstater have been able to be portrayed as heere— been able to be portrayed as bigots because— been able to be portrayed as bigots because there are no eerehe— bigots because there are no eeehe hh— bigots because there are no adults in the— bigots because there are no adults in the bbc who, you know . whhh— adults in the bbc who, you know . whhh heve— adults in the bbc who, you know , will have this— adults in the bbc who, you know , will have this debate like heeheehhw— , will have this debate like basically we're— , will have this debate like basically we're talking about a massive social— basically we're talking about a massive social change and the hhe— massive social change and the hhc rheeehr— massive social change and the bbc thought they— massive social change and the bbc thought they could just push it bbc thought they could just push h rhreeeh— bbc thought they could just push it through without— bbc thought they could just push it through without any discussion— it through without any discussion .- it through without any discussion . and it's long discussion. and it's long overdue. and— discussion. and it's long overdue. and you know, to be to the— overdue. and you know, to be to the eh— overdue. and you know, to be to give eh hewe— overdue. and you know, to be to give gb news its— overdue. and you know, to be to give gb news its due, you were the emw— give gb news its due, you were the only channel— give gb news its due, you were the only channel that has been reoeherhw— the only channel that has been regularly platforming feminists. the regularly platforming feminists. hhe hhe— regularly platforming feminists. hhe hhc heer— regularly platforming feminists. the bbc just pretends they don't evher— the bbc just pretends they don't evher .— the bbc just pretends they don't evher . se— the bbc just pretends they don't evher . se h— the bbc just pretends they don't evher . se hteer— the bbc just pretends they don't exist. so i just think it's there.— exist. so i just think it's there. there— exist. so i just think it's there. there they're negligent in there. there they're negligent hh rhehr— there. there they're negligent in their duties— there. there they're negligent in their duties .— there. there they're negligent in their duties . they're in their duties. they're eeeeeeee— in their duties. they're eeeeeeee re- in their duties. they're supposed to be the channel we rem— supposed to be the channel we here he— supposed to be the channel we here he heve— supposed to be the channel we turn to have these— supposed to be the channel we turn to have these important conversations.— turn to have these important conversations. but yeah, again, as conversations. but yeah, again, ee h— conversations. but yeah, again, ee h eew.— conversations. but yeah, again, ee r eew. thew— conversations. but yeah, again, as i say, they simply pretended the conversation— as i say, they simply pretended the conversation doesn't exist. wehh— the conversation doesn't exist. wehh rm— the conversation doesn't exist. well i'm delighted that you're heeh— well i'm delighted that you're heeh eh— well i'm delighted that you're back on twitter— well i'm delighted that you're back on twitter and you've ehwewe— back on twitter and you've ehwewe oer— back on twitter and you've ehwewe oer e— back on twitter and you've always got a platform here on gb wewe. — always got a platform here on gb wewe. hhe— always got a platform here on gb news. mike porky— always got a platform here on gb news. mike porky parry- always got a platform here on gb news. mike porky parry just a

few seconds left. you're one of the most experienced and high profile journalists in the country. have you ever seen such a feeble piece of journalism in your life than the one between elon musk and this cub reporter yeah. james clayton, graeme , yeah. james clayton, graeme, rehreerhe— yeah. james clayton, graeme, fantastic analysis— t/rtuth“ james clayton, graeme, fantastic analysis there of the hhe— fantastic analysis there of the tee .— fantastic analysis there of the hhc . wher— fantastic analysis there of the hhc . wher h— fantastic analysis there of the bbc , what it means to us all and bbc, what it means to us all and all bbc, what it means to us all and er rher. — bbc, what it means to us all and er the. h— bbc, what it means to us all and all that. if you're— bbc, what it means to us all and all that. if you're a— bbc, what it means to us all and all that. if you're a reporter ehe— all that. if you're a reporter ehe wee— all that. if you're a reporter and you think— all that. if you're a reporter and you think you come in with weer— and you think you come in with weer hehw— and you think you come in with your lefty liberal— and you think you come in with your lefty liberal views in your heee— your lefty liberal views in your head because— your lefty liberal views in your head because you— your lefty liberal views in your head because you live in a hehhhe— head because you live in a bubble where— head because you live in a bubble where you think nobody can bubble where you think nobody eeeehhhw— bubble where you think nobody can possibly dispute what you rhhh— can possibly dispute what you think. because— can possibly dispute what you think. because i— can possibly dispute what you think. because i know i'm right. hhe— think. because i know i'm right. hme ehwheew— think. because i know i'm right. and anybody who— think. because i know i'm right. and anybody who disagrees with me he— and anybody who disagrees with me he her— and anybody who disagrees with me he her e— and anybody who disagrees with me he her e verv— and anybody who disagrees with me is not a very nice person . me is not a very nice person. her— me is not a very nice person. her then— me is not a very nice person. her then h— me is not a very nice person. but then if you— me is not a very nice person. but then if you come up against er— but then if you come up against er rhe— but then if you come up against one of the brightest men in the were.— one of the brightest men in the werhe. whheh— one of the brightest men in the world, which clearly elon musk is world, which clearly elon musk he heeeeee— world, which clearly elon musk is because he's— world, which clearly elon musk is because he's the second rheheer— is because he's the second rheheer mee— is because he's the second richest man in— is because he's the second richest man in the world, and you— richest man in the world, and wee hw— richest man in the world, and wee hw re— richest man in the world, and wee hw re heer— richest man in the world, and you try to just flam your way rhreeeh— you try to just flam your way rhreeoh ehe— you try to just flam your way through and elon musk says, eeere— through and elon musk says, eeehe wee— through and elon musk says, eeehe wee ohve— through and elon musk says, could you give me some evidence 7 could you give me some evidence h we— could you give me some evidence h we ehe.— could you give me some evidence ? no chance. could— could you give me some evidence ? no chance. could you- could you give me some evidence ? no chance. could you give me some specifics? a complete disaster for graham linehan. mike parry, thank you for a brilliant debate. next up, can

you reverse type two diabetes? and in my big opinion, joe biden. that's .

next it's 9:00. and this is mark dolan tonight. it's great to be back. dolan tonight. it's great to be back . i dolan tonight. it's great to be back. i missed you. i hope you had a cracking easter. in my big opinion, my first on air reaction to joe biden's visit to the uk. i'll be asking, does britain need donald trump back in the white house? in the big story, with 5 million brits now suffering from type two diabetes, liz will speak to the revolutionary doctor who'll be telling me how you can reverse it . my mark. my guest is the it. my mark. my guest is the extraordinary british soldier who consumed radioactive water dunng who consumed radioactive water during the bravo two zero mission escape from iraqi

forces. he tells his incredible story. big guests , big stories story. big guests, big stories and always big opinions . a and always big opinions. a lively two hours to come. but first, the headlines with polly middleton first . mark, thank you middleton first. mark, thank you and good evening to you. the top story tonight and good evening to you. the top ererw rehhohr eh— and good evening to you. the top story tonight on gb— and good evening to you. the top story tonight on gb news,- .tj“r: g: “ “g the top story tonight on gb news, just eher— story tonight on gb news, just eher heee.— story tonight on gb news, just after 9:00, rcn _ story tonight on gb news, just after 9:00, rcn nurses will ereee— after 9:00, rcn nurses will stage another— after 9:00, rcn nurses will stage another round of strikes eher— stage another round of strikes eher rejecting— stage another round of strikes after rejecting a— stage another round of strikes after rejecting a pay offer from the government.— after rejecting a pay offer from the government. the same offer whheh— the government. the same offer whheh emeeh— the government. the same offer which unison nurses overwhelmingly accepted. royal cehheee— overwhelmingly accepted. royal cehheee er— overwhelmingly accepted. royal college of nursing members voted to college of nursing members voted re reteer— college of nursing members voted re reteer e— college of nursing members voted re reteer e hh— college of nursing members voted re reteer e he eew— college of nursing members voted to reject a 5% pay rise. this weer.— to reject a 5% pay rise. this weer. ee— to reject a 5% pay rise. this weer. ee wehh— to reject a 5% pay rise. this year, as well as— to reject a 5% pay rise. this year, as well as a- to reject a 5% pay rise. this year, as well as a cash payment for year, as well as a cash payment her he— year, as well as a cash payment her the heer— year, as well as a cash payment for the last year. _ year, as well as a cash payment for the last year. the action remhhe— for the last year. the action running hem — for the last year. the action running from 8:00 in the evening on running from 8:00 in the evening eh rhe— running from 8:00 in the evening eh rhe ehhh— running from 8:00 in the evening eh rhe eorh er— running from 8:00 in the evening on the 30th of april for 48 heere— on the 30th of april for 48 heere whhh— on the 30th of april for 48 hours will for— on the 30th of april for 48 hours will for the first time hhvehve— hours will for the first time involve nurses— hours will for the first time involve nurses working in emeroehew— involve nurses working in emergency departments , intensive emergency departments, intensive ehe— emergency departments, intensive care and cancer care. unison announced today— care and cancer care. unison announced today that its nhs memehre— announced today that its nhs memehre hee— announced today that its nhs members had accepted the 5% eher. — members had accepted the 5% offer. paediatric—

members had accepted the 5% offer. paediatric nurse olivia hhhheewhhh— offer. paediatric nurse olivia princewill told _ offer. paediatric nurse olivia princewill told gb news earlier the government— princewill told gb news earlier the government could have eheee— the government could have offered more— the government could have offered more for— the government could have offered more for junior doctors eehee— offered more for junior doctors werhee rer— offered more for junior doctors worked for incredibly long hours . ee rhe— worked for incredibly long hours , so the nurses— worked for incredibly long hours , so the nurses in— worked for incredibly long hours , so the nurses in conditions rhet— , so the nurses in conditions the ee— , so the nurses in conditions that are absolutely ridiculous to that are absolutely ridiculous re them— that are absolutely ridiculous to them come— that are absolutely ridiculous to them come to— that are absolutely ridiculous to them come to work and be happy— to them come to work and be hehew whh— to them come to work and be hehew whh rhe— to them come to work and be happy with the job that's not even safe for— happy with the job that's not even safe for the— happy with the job that's not even safe for the patient. so wher— even safe for the patient. so whet were— even safe for the patient. so what we're trying— even safe for the patient. so what we're trying to - even safe for the patient. so what we're trying to do- even safe for the patient. so what we're trying to do here, and i believe that's what everyone is trying to achieve, is come to a situation where there is a sort of agreement between us nurses, the junior doctors, and also the government to feel like when you're going to feel like when you're going to you're safe . meanwhile, to work, you're safe. meanwhile, civil servants will hold fresh strikes after the government announced a pay rise of between four and a half and 5. but the pcc's union's general- ur: ur: h but the pcc's union's general secretary teeerhhhhe— pcc's union's general secretary describing that— pcc's union's general secretary describing that as— pcc's union's general secretary describing that as insulting and eemetetetw— describing that as insulting and completely inadequate . so staff completely inadequate. so staff will completely inadequate. so staff whth weth— completely inadequate. so staff will walk out— completely inadequate. so staff will walk out in— completely inadequate. so staff will walk out in may and june across government departments and across government departments eht hh— across government departments me he eeee— across government departments and in areas like— across government departments and in areas like the met office . wew— and in areas like the met office . wew the— and in areas like the met office . wew the us— and in areas like the met office . now the us president joe biden has . now the us president joe biden hee heeh— . now the us president joe biden has been brought— . now the us president joe biden has been brought to tears after a has been brought to tears after e eerehe— has been brought to tears after a chance meeting— has been brought to tears after a chance meeting at an irish

ehereh— a chance meeting at an irish ehereh whh— a chance meeting at an irish church with the— a chance meeting at an irish church with the priest who eertermet — church with the priest who performed the _ church with the priest who performed the last rites on his son beau. father— performed the last rites on his son beau. father frank o'grady eertermet— son beau. father frank o'grady eertermet the— son beau. father frank o'grady performed the sacrament for beau hheee.— performed the sacrament for beau hhteh. whe— performed the sacrament for beau biden, who died— performed the sacrament for beau biden, who died of— performed the sacrament for beau biden, who died of brain cancer in biden, who died of brain cancer hh heh— biden, who died of brain cancer hh here. the— biden, who died of brain cancer in 2015. the president visited hheeh— in 2015. the president visited knock shrine _ in 2015. the president visited knock shrine in— in 2015. the president visited knock shrine in county mayo as part— knock shrine in county mayo as pert et— knock shrine in county mayo as pert et hhe— knock shrine in county mayo as part of his final— knock shrine in county mayo as part of his final day of arrangements . it part of his final day of arrangements. it brings mr. hheee-e— arrangements. it brings mr. biden's four— arrangements. it brings mr. biden's four day trip to ireland to biden's four day trip to ireland te e— biden's four day trip to ireland te e eheee— biden's four day trip to ireland to a close which— biden's four day trip to ireland to a close which the former heeheeeeh— to a close which the former taoiseach, enda— to a close which the former taoiseach, enda kenny has teeerhhet— taoiseach, enda kenny has described as— taoiseach, enda kenny has described as the longest presidential— described as the longest presidential visit ever to the heheee— presidential visit ever to the heheht .— presidential visit ever to the heheht . hhe— presidential visit ever to the island . and lastly, a european island. and lastly, a european reehet— island. and lastly, a european reehet he— island. and lastly, a european reehet he eh— island. and lastly, a european rocket is on its— island. and lastly, a european rocket is on its way to jupiter 4.1 rocket is on its way to jupiter hr hhttheh— rocket is on its way to jupiter 4.1 billion miles— rocket is on its way to jupiter 4.1 billion miles away to evphere— 4.1 billion miles away to explore whether or not it eepperte— explore whether or not it eeppehe the— explore whether or not it supports life .- explore whether or not it supports life . it's going to supports life. it's going to the— supports life. it's going to tehe mere— supports life. it's going to take more than- supports life. it's going to take more than eight years to get there. — take more than eight years to get there. he— take more than eight years to get there. it's a— take more than eight years to get there. it's a six tonne epeeeerett— get there. it's a six tonne spacecraft called juice. it'll epeht— spacecraft called juice. it'll spend around— spacecraft called juice. it'll spend around three years using its instruments— spend around three years using its instruments to _ spend around three years using its instruments to investigate whether— its instruments to investigate whether the— its instruments to investigate whether the planets, three moons can whether the planets, three moons eeppert— whether the planets, three moons eeppeh the— whether the planets, three moons can support life in— whether the planets, three moons can support life in its oceans as can support life in its oceans ee h-e— can support life in its oceans ee the e— can support life in its oceans ee the e pp.— can support life in its oceans as it's a £14 billion mission. if as it's a £14 billion mission. ht h— as it's a £14 billion mission. ht h eeee— as it's a £14 billion mission. if it goes well,— as it's a £14 billion mission. if it goes well, juice should reeeh— if it goes well, juice should reach jupiter— if it goes well, juice should reach jupiter by— if it goes well, juice should reach jupiter by july 2031. on

tv reach jupiter by july 2031. on hv ohthhe— reach jupiter by july 2031. on tv online dab+— reach jupiter by july 2031. on tv online dab+ radio and on the tem— tv online dab+ radio and on the tehe hh— tv online dab+ radio and on the tehe hh epp— tv online dab+ radio and on the tehe hh epp. hhhe— tv online dab+ radio and on the tune in app. this is— tv online dab+ radio and on the tune in app. this is gb news, hrhehh-e— tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news— tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news .— britain's news. channel imy_ britain's news. channel | my theme— britain's news. channel l my thanks to- britain's news. channel i my thanks to pollyl britain's news. channel my thanks to polly middlehurst . to have her . isn't it great to have her back the show? she returns at back on the show? she returns at 10:00. welcome to mark dolan tonight. opinion , my tonight. in my big opinion, my first air reaction to joe first on air reaction to joe biden's visit to the uk. i'll be asking, does britain need donald trump back in the white house in the big story with 5 million brits now suffering type two diabetes, we'll speak to the revolutionary doctor who'll be telling me how you can reverse it. my mark meets guest is the extraordinary british soldier who consumed radioactive water dunng who consumed radioactive water during the bravo two zero mission escape from some iraqi forces . it might take a ten bud forces. it might take a ten bud light and now crying into their beer as sales of their iconic

lager have collapsed at faster than one of their customers when they've had too many. and would you be willing to separate your rubbish into seven different bins as proposed by the government? will be asking the queen of clean channel four's kim woodburn plus mark dolan tonight is the home of the papers with tomorrow's front pages from 1030 with three top punst pages from 1030 with three top pundits who haven't been told what to say and who don't follow the script tonight, emma wolf, david oldroyd bolt and lizzie zeta. tonight, i'll be asking the pundits as a male blood donor was turned away for refusing to say if he's pregnant or not. has the world finally gone mad as frozen food sales boom in this country? is britain being priced out of healthy eating ? and is it wrong for the eating? and is it wrong for the lotto rapist to be allowed to keep his £7 million? plus your emails , especially the spicy emails, especially the spicy ones, market gbnews.uk and this show has a golden rule, a

bullet—proof life rule. we don't do boring . not on my watch. do boring. not on my watch. i just won't have it. let's get to work and we start with my big opinion . now. the tongue tied opinion. now. the tongue tied leader of the free world, joe biden , had only been in the biden, had only been in the british isles for what felt like ten minutes, but it was long enough for a man who needs to be reminded on a daily basis that he's actually president, reminded on a daily basis that he's actually president , not to he's actually president, not to make yet another almighty gaffe. the us commander in chief and a man barely in command of his own bladder, mr. jokingly said that the irish rugby team of 2016 beat the hell out of the black and tans. mr. biden was referring to the new zealand all blacks. take a listen . it is blacks. take a listen. it is tie. i have the t t sets“ it is tie. i have the shamrock on. the— tie. i have the shamrock on. hhhe wee— tie. i have the shamrock on. this was given— tie. i have the shamrock on. this was given to me by one of theee— this was given to me by one of theee pewe— this was given to me by one of theee pewe rhoht— this was given to me by one of these guys right here was a hell of these guys right here was a hell et e— these guys right here was a hell et e rugby— these guys right here was a hell et e rugby ptewer— these guys right here was a hell of a rugby player and he beat the heh— of a rugby player and he beat the heth et— of a rugby player and he beat the hell of a— of a rugby player and he beat the hell of a black and tans. oh eee—

the hell of a black and tans. oh eee . — the hell of a black and tans. oh eee . hhe— the hell of a black and tans. oh god . the black— the hell of a black and tans. oh god . the black and- the hell of a black and tans. oh god. the hell of a black and tans. oh god . god. the black and tans were constable was recruited into the royal irish constabulary as reinforcements during the irish war of independence . it's not war of independence. it's not a rugby team . and this is the guy. rugby team. and this is the guy. don't forget, who's got access to the nuclear codes. it's time to the nuclear codes. it's time to build a wall. chateau wall shelter or something like that . shelter or something like that. stock up on candles, cash and tinned meat. we're all in trouble to weekends ago, this show broke the internet with a million views on all platforms. comes with this big opinion piece about joe biden . treatment piece about joe biden. treatment of king charles is a shocker. and millions of proud americans will be ashamed of their president's behaviour in not turning up . i know most turning up. i know most americans would want their great country to be represented for this massive moment in history. the installation of a new british king following on from the iconic reign of elizabeth the iconic reign of elizabeth the second. now it's taken the press a while, but they finally caught up with all and sundry acknowledging biden's problem with britain , even forcing

with britain, even forcing a nervous denial from the white house. as reported in the telegraph this week , of course, telegraph this week, of course, biden has a problem with this country. the proof is in the pudding. he won't do interviews with the bbc because they're british. he's delayed talks in relation to a us uk free trade deal relation to a us uk free trade deal. he sided with the eu over the northern ireland protocol. this week he discarded the uk flag whilst travelling in his famous beast presidential vehicle in northern ireland. and of course it's shockingly he decided to skip king charles ii's coronation with the only thing in his diary more pressing. it seems, to being his afternoon nap . don't give me any afternoon nap. don't give me any of that guff about how no us president has ever attended a coronation . the last coronation coronation. the last coronation was in the 1950s, times have changed. we live in a 24 over seven news environment and any president worth their salt who valued this country would attend. i've never been a great

trump cheerleader and he clearly has profound flaws . but if he has profound flaws. but if he were in the white house right now, the ink would likely be drying on a us uk trade deal and the famously anglophile donald trump would be at the coronation with bells on. and whilst trump backed brexit all the way, both his predecessor , barack obama his predecessor, barack obama and joe biden have always raged about it. biden having previously said we preferred a different outcome . um, well, different outcome. um, well, he's now taken another swipe at our exit from the bloc this week, saying the uk's departure created complex challenges , created complex challenges, correction and intra eu has created complex challenges. mr. president. but why do the likes of biden and obama hate brexit? well, because it represents people power and it represents britain's decision to strike out and become an independent, sovereign nation . when we had sovereign nation. when we had the cheek, the temerity to choose our own destiny as a country to go our own way and to

push back on the technocrats and corporate global elites , much of corporate global elites, much of which is headquartered in brussels. it breaks my heart to say it, but under the leadership of joe biden, the special relationship is on the rocks . relationship is on the rocks. britain needs a new partner in the white house, someone that actually loves . actually loves. us now that's my view. but what's yours? mark at gbnews.uk. i'll get to your email shortly. reacting to my big opinion, three of the top pundits in the country, author and political commentator emma wolf, historian and writer david oldroyd bolt and writer david oldroyd bolt and journalist and broadcaster lizzie zita, lizzie . a bad week lizzie zita, lizzie. a bad week for anglo—american relations. yeah, it was a pretty bad week. het— yeah, it was a pretty bad week. het wee— yeah, it was a pretty bad week. het wee heee.— yeah, it was a pretty bad week. but you know, we— yeah, it was a pretty bad week. but you know, we have to remember certain things. “ but you know, we have to remember certain things. t“ remember certain things. in my hemhte— remember certain things. in my humble opinion,— remember certain things. in my humble opinion, brexit was a disaster. it's humble opinion, brexit was a

disaster . it's cost the country disaster. it's cost the country tee— disaster. it's cost the country tee eee— disaster. it's cost the country tee te— disaster. it's cost the country too soon to say,— r: it's cost the country too soon to say, well, you need too soon to say, well, you need te ehve— too soon to say, well, you need te the h— too soon to say, well, you need te the h et— too soon to say, well, you need to give it at least— too soon to say, well, you need to give it at least ten years. oh— to give it at least ten years. at .— to give it at least ten years. oh . hheee.— to give it at least ten years. oh , lizzie, lizzie,— to give it at least ten years. oh , lizzie, lizzie, we've- to give it at least ten years. oh , lizzie, lizzie, we've got an oh, lizzie, lizzie, we've got an issue with your microphone, which is very unusual for gb news, but we're just going to get that sorted whilst i go to emma want to hear what emma wolf. we want to hear what you've but, emma, you've got to say. but, emma, what's your appraisal of joe biden's to northern biden's visit to northern ireland republic? ireland and the republic? northern there northern ireland? he was there for northern ireland? he was there ter whet.— northern ireland? he was there ter whet. h.— northern ireland? he was there for what, 17, 18— northern ireland? he was there for what, 17, 18 hours- \ :7 he was there for what, 17, 18 hours and \ :7 he was there for what, 17,18 hours and most for what, 17, 18 hours and most of for what, 17, 18 hours and most et thet. — for what, 17, 18 hours and most et thet. he— for what, 17, 18 hours and most of that. he was— for what, 17, 18 hours and most of that. rt; “ of that. he was asleep in a hotel room. so, i mean, for teeth.— hotel room. so, i mean, for teeth. h— hotel room. so, i mean, for once, mark, i agree- so, i mean, for once, mark, i agree with you. were— once, mark, i agree with you. were perfect. — once, mark, i agree with you. word perfect. everything you said, say, well, that's said, i say, well, that's a rarity. i get that? i'll get rarity. can i get that? i'll get thet— rarity. can i get that? i'll get that tattooed— rarity. can i get that? i'll get that tattooed on _ rarity. can i get that? i'll get that tattooed on my- tar can i get that? i'll get that tattooed on my on my left wrhet. — that tattooed on my on my left wrhet. h— that tattooed on my on my left wrist. i would— that tattooed on my on my left wrist. i would ivoted- that tattooed on my on my left wrist. i would i voted for donald no, i probably donald trump. no, i probably wouldn't would i? i'm going wouldn't have would i? i'm going to wouldn't have would i? i'm going te hhterrept— wouldn't have would i? i'm going te hhterrept wee— wouldn't have would i? i'm going to interrupt you because- : “ t : 7’ i'm going to interrupt you because we are in to interrupt you because we are he the— to interrupt you because we are he the were— to interrupt you because we are he the hh— to interrupt you because we are in the we're in the— to interrupt you because we are in the we're in the in the sort of in the we're in the in the sort et eheetheh— in the we're in the in the sort of situation problem with of situation of a problem withj everyone's_that's everyone's microphone. that's rheht—eh- right. a mini crisis on mark hehee— right. a mini crisis on mark heree-.— right. a mini crisis on mark dolan-. emma,- right. a mini crisis on mark dolan . emma, can we right. a mini crisis on mark- dolan-. emma, can we just dolan tonight. emma, can we just we eeeht— dolan tonight. emma, can we just we eeeht eeh— dolan tonight. emma, can we just we could ask you— dolan tonight. emma, can we just we could ask you what you had for breakfast,— we could ask you what you had for breakfast, what for breakfast, which is what thew— for breakfast, which is what thew-the— for breakfast, which is what they the industry. great. they do in the industry. great. weett— they do in the industry. great. would-believe— they do in the industry. great. would-believe it?- they do in the industry. great. would believe it? put would you believe it? we put thro— would you believe it? we put tore-metre— would you believe it? we put £0.10-metre and- would you believe it? we put £0.10 metre and can £0.10 in the metre and we can heer— £0.10 in the metre and we can hee-chew- £0.10 in the metre and we can now hear okay lovely. so. now hear you. okay lovely. so. so now hear you. okay lovely. so. he-ehere— now hear you. okay lovely. so. so-share some— now hear you. okay lovely. so. so-share some of- now hear you. okay lovely. so. so share some of views so you share some of my views hem— so you share some of my views hem the— so you share some of my views from the-opinion.- so you share some of my views from the opinion. go on. from the big opinion. go on.

n..— from the big opinion. go on. we. r— from the big opinion. go on. we. r eeree— from the big opinion. go on. no, i agree with— from the big opinion. go on. no, i agree with every- from the big opinion. go on. no, i agree with every word you said. unusually, would i have vetet— said. unusually, would i have vetet ter— said. unusually, would i have voted for donald— r: unusually, would i have voted for donald trump? \rrt:r voted for donald trump? no, i weeteh-t— voted for donald trump? no, i wouldn't have— voted for donald trump? no, i wouldn't have voted- voted for donald trump? no, i wouldn't have voted for donald trump. probably not. would i heve— trump. probably not. would i heve-ter— trump. probably not. would i have _for-biden? . have voted for joe biden? hhehehtw— have voted for joe biden? definitely not. but probably. definitely not. but i teet— probably. definitely not. but i teet wheh— probably. definitely not. but i just wish-would— probably. definitely not. but i just wish-would-out. probably. definitely not. but i. just wish-would-out and just wish we would butt out and etep— just wish we would butt out and etep-thhe— just wish we would butt out and stop-this whole- stop ridiculing this whole thhhe. — stop ridiculing this whole thhhe. ht— stop ridiculing this whole thing. if donald trump gets in in thing. if donald trump gets in hh—weett- thing. if donald trump gets in hh—weeht teeti in 2024. i wish we would just reepeet— in 2024. i wish we would just reepeet the— in 2024. i wish we would just respect the will— in 2024. i wish we would just respect the will the american respect the will of the american peephe. — respect the will of the american peephe. -et— respect the will of the american people. of americans people. millions of americans whe— people. millions of americans whe-hehett- people. millions of americans who donald trump. and who voted for donald trump. and i who voted for donald trump. and h—teeth— who voted for donald trump. and h—teeth et— who voted for donald trump. and i death of everybody i am sick to death of everybody teeohhhe— i am sick to death of everybody teeohhhp et— i am sick to death of everybody teeohhhp et the— i am sick to death of everybody laughing at the americans. emhere.— laughing at the americans. shmhterhw. h— laughing at the americans. similarly, i wish biden and hemp— similarly, i wish biden and hremp ehe— similarly, i wish biden and trump and obama would stay out of trump and obama would stay out et eer— trump and obama would stay out et ehehre— trump and obama would stay out of our affairs in— trump and obama would stay out of our affairs in terms of the eu of our affairs in terms of the he .— of our affairs in terms of the he . se— of our affairs in terms of the he . se hh— of our affairs in terms of the eu . so in terms— of our affairs in terms of the eu . so in terms of brexit, so eu. so in terms of brexit, so frankly— eu. so in terms of brexit, so hehhtw. h— eu. so in terms of brexit, so frankly r ree— eu. so in terms of brexit, so frankly, i joe biden seems an eheehete— frankly, i joe biden seems an absolute joke— frankly, i joe biden seems an absolute joke to— frankly, i joe biden seems an absolute joke to me, but to everwhetw— absolute joke to me, but to everybody else, _ absolute joke to me, but to everybody else, he seems a preterehte— everybody else, he seems a preferable choice to donald hemp. — preferable choice to donald hemp. okay— preferable choice to donald trump. okay, now i will come to hevht. — trump. okay, now i will come to hevht. het— trump. okay, now i will come to david. but lizzie,— trump. okay, now i will come to david. but lizzie, you- trump. okay, now i will come to david. rt; rrrtitrt; “ david. but lizzie, you were in full flow there. so i was you were horribly censored. so so let rip go for it. were horribly censored. so so let rip go for it . well, look, let rip go for it. well, look, first of all, joe biden is irish and he's probably a republican and he's probably a republican and he's probably a republican and he's catholic. so i'm not surprised that he's taken down,

you know, the flag when he was going into northern ireland, etc. et cetera. he feels a great affinity with the country personally , i didn't find it personally, i didn't find it offensive. imean, personally, i didn't find it offensive. i mean, my husband's hrheh. — offensive. i mean, my husband's hrheh. h— offensive. i mean, my husband's hrheh. h hhee— offensive. i mean, my husband's irish. i know the— offensive. i mean, my husband's irish. i know the whole- offensive. i mean, my husband's irish. i know the whole story and i'm also raised catholic. but on the other hand, it's not treet— but on the other hand, it's not greet thet— but on the other hand, it's not great that he's— but on the other hand, it's not great that he's not coming to the— great that he's not coming to the hhhg-e— great that he's not coming to the king's coronation. �*vvr�*rt; the king's coronation. we have to the king's coronation. we have te eeh— the king's coronation. we have to ask ourselves the reason why now , could it be that we look now, could it be that we look back to america and the rest of the world like a load of, you know, squabbling fools with our close neighbour, the european union and also the rest of europe. it's not a good look. it's not working . and it's it's not working. and it's something that deeply worries me. i absolutely agree with what emma said, that there's so much division an and diversity within in all politics, politics today it's become like a two person show and we're all fighting. we need to listen more to each other . indeed. need to listen more to each other. indeed. i mean, david, i've never been a cheerleader for donald trump, but i do think

he would be a greater friend of britain in the white house. he would be, i suppose. but “ “ “ he would be, i suppose. but it's a teephw— would be, i suppose. but it's a deeply depressing thought that out deeply depressing thought that eet et— deeply depressing thought that eet et eeh— deeply depressing thought that out of 380 million people, the teet— out of 380 million people, the heet thet— out of 380 million people, the best that the— out of 380 million people, the best that the americans can come up best that the americans can come ep whh— best that the americans can come ep whhle— best that the americans can come up with-a choice— best that the americans can come up with-a choice is— best that the americans can come up with a choice is donald up with as a choice is donald hemp— up with as a choice is donald hemp ehe— up with as a choice is donald hremp ehe ree— up with as a choice is donald trump and joe biden. that trump and joe biden. and that the heet— trump and joe biden. and that the best democratic and the best the democratic and hepehhheeh— the best the democratic and republican-can- the best the democratic and republican can provide republican parties can provide us republican parties can provide ee-theee— republican parties can provide ee-theee twe- us with are these two gerontocratic one of us with are these two- gerontocratic-one of whom gerontocratic men, one of whom is gerontocratic men, one of whom he-egemehhee- gerontocratic men, one of whom is-egomaniac and- gerontocratic men, one of whom is egomaniac and one of is a raging egomaniac and one of whem — is a raging egomaniac and one of whem he— is a raging egomaniac and one of whom is clearly— is a raging egomaniac and one of whom is clearly in— is a raging egomaniac and one of whom is clearly in the grips of temehthe. — whom is clearly in the grips of temehthe. oh— whom is clearly in the grips of dementia. on joe— whom is clearly in the grips of dementia. on joe biden's being hheh— dementia. on joe biden's being hrheh. hee— dementia. on joe biden's being irish. he's-more— dementia. on joe biden's being irish. he's more ancestry irish. he's got more ancestry hem— irish. he's got more ancestry hem-thee- irish. he's got more ancestry- from _than _from from england than he does from heheee.— from england than he does from heheee-he- ireland. i'm afraid it's a twpheet— ireland. i'm afraid it's a typical bow:— ireland. i'm afraid it's a typical trope the democratic typical trope of the democratic party— typical trope of the democratic hertw-thew— typical trope of the democratic party they themselves typical trope of the democratic pathe they themselves typical trope of the democratic pa the green ey themselves typical trope of the democratic pathe green flag themselves typical trope of the democratic pathe green flag to themselves typical trope of the democratic pathe green flag to get mselves typical trope of the democratic pathe green flag to get the lves in the green flag to get the hem— in the green flag to get the irish american— in the green flag to get the irish american vote, which is eehetehtheh— irish american vote, which is substantial and— irish american vote, which is substantial and gives lot of substantial and gives a lot of tehthhg. — substantial and gives a lot of funding. never— substantial and gives a lot of funding. never forget that the hmerhehe— funding. never forget that the americans were— funding. never forget that the americans were great funders of the hh— americans were great funders of the tree terhhg— americans were great funders of the ira during the— americans were great funders of the ira during the troubles. hhe— the ira during the troubles. hee et— the ira during the troubles. and of course,— the ira during the troubles. and of course, joe— the ira during the troubles. and of course, joe biden this week pictured in selfie week pictured in a selfie with gerry . yes, there's very gerry adams. yes, there's very hhte— gerry adams. yes, there's very little sensitivity— gerry adams. yes, there's very little sensitivity on— cuq : yes, there's very little sensitivity on the hmerheeh— little sensitivity on the american both little sensitivity on the- american - both sides little sensitivity on the- american-both sides of american left to both sides of thelthe— american left to both sides of the .the _versus - the of the unionist versus hepehhheeh— the of the unionist versus republican argument, afraid. republican argument, i'm afraid. and republican argument, i'm afraid. het-eemee— republican argument, i'm afraid. het-eemee te— republican argument, i'm afraid. and-comes to the- and when it comes to the hmerhehe— and when it comes to the americans-at- and when it comes to the americans at us and when it comes to the. americans-at us and americans looking at us and eeehhg— americans looking at us and eeehhg ee— americans looking at us and seeing us squabbling with ourselves,-,- seeing us squabbling with ourselves, , what happens ourselves, well, what happens when— ourselves, well, what happens when thew— ourselves, well, what happens when they look— ourselves, well, what happens when they look france and see when they look at france and see a when they look at france and see ee-h thre— when they look at france and see ee-h he whh— when they look at france and see a-on fire with riots- a nation on fire with riots threegheet— a nation on fire with riots- throughout—what throughout the country? what heppehe—

happens when they look at eermehw— happens when they look at eermehw-e- happens when they look at germany a nation happens when they look at- germany-a nation riven germany and see a nation riven by he— germany and see a nation riven by he weere— germany and see a nation riven by he weere et— germany and see a nation riven by 20 years of bad— germany and see a nation riven by 20 years of bad policy tewerte— by 20 years of bad policy towards-and- by 20 years of bad policy towards and now in by 20 years of bad policy- towards-and now in an towards russia and now in an ehergw— towards russia and now in an ehergw erhehe— towards russia and now in an energy crisis, happens when energy crisis, what happens when thew— energy crisis, what happens when they—netherlands- energy crisis, what happens when they netherlands and they look at the netherlands and see they look at the netherlands and eee-there— they look at the netherlands and eee-thet-e teet- see a nation that's just voted to euthanize— see a nation that's just voted to euthanize children? what heppehe— to euthanize children? what heppehe whee— to euthanize children? what happens when look happens when they look at hetghem— happens when they look at. belgium,_killing belgium, where they're killing peepte— belgium, where they're killing. peepte—thew belgium, where they're killing. peepteite —thew belgium, where they're killing. peepteite he—thew belgium, where they're killing. peopleito be a_they belgium, where they're killing people to be a bit they belgium, where they're killing people to be a bit depressed?ey happen to be a bit depressed? i thhhh— happen to be a bit depressed? i thhhh there— happen to be a bit depressed? i think there are— happen to be a bit depressed? i think there are problems all across europe— think there are problems all across europe that the across europe to say that the amerhee— across europe to say that the americans look— across europe to say that the americans look us and find us americans look at us and find us ehhgeetw— americans look at us and find us uniquely abhorrent— americans look at us and find us uniquely abhorrent view uniquely abhorrent is a view i tee-t— uniquely abhorrent is a view i tent-ahe— uniquely abhorrent is a view i teh-t-aht h— uniquely abhorrent is a view i don't-and i don't- uniquely abhorrent is a view i don't and i don't think don't share. and i don't think he— don't share. and i don't think he ee— don't share. and i don't think he thet— don't share. and i don't think it's one that the— don't share. and i don't think it's one that the vast majority of americans— it's one that the vast majority of americans would share. and to say of americans would share. and to eew-het— of americans would share. and to eew-het e— of americans would share. and to eew-het e eeeh- of americans would share. and to say-not a snub for- of americans would share. and to say not a snub forjoe say that it's not a snub for joe hheee— say that it's not a snub for joe hhteh het— say that it's not a snub for joe hhteh het te— say that it's not a snub for joe biden not to attend the coronation— biden not to attend the coronation is- biden not to attend the coronation is an absolute joke. of coronation is an absolute joke. or eeeree— coronation is an absolute joke. of course, it's— coronation is an absolute joke. of course, it's huge snub. coronation is an absolute joke. of (irrelevant huge snub. coronation is an absolute joke. of (irrelevant huas snub. coronation is an absolute joke. of (irrelevant huas yom. it's irrelevant that, as you say,— it's irrelevant that, as you. eew—tent say, people presidents don't traditionally— say, people presidents don't traditionally attend the coronation. _ traditionally attend the coronation. say. traditionally attend the- coronation.-say. the last coronation. as you say. the last ehe-hh— coronation. as you say. the last ehe-h hh— coronation. as you say. the last ehe-h h wee— coronation. as you say. the last one-in 19 was what,- coronation. as you say. the last one in 19 was what, 70 one was in 19 was what, 70 weere— one was in 19 was what, 70 we rhhe.— one was in 19 was what, 70 years, 1952, 1953.- one was in 19 was what, 70 years, 1952, 1953. exactly. spot the historian _ years, 1952, 1953. exactly. spot the historian frankly, i was eewhhg— the historian frankly, i was eewhhg the— the historian frankly, i was saying the 1953— the historian frankly, i was saying the 1953 points to all hehe.— saying the 1953 points to all hehe. het— saying the 1953 points to all bolts, but it's— saying the 1953 points to all bolts, but it's not so it's not treththeh— bolts, but it's not so it's not tradition of— bolts, but it's not so it's not tradition of any— bolts, but it's not so it's not tradition of any sort. it is a eeeh— tradition of any sort. it is a eheh. rhhe— tradition of any sort. it is a snub. this is— tradition of any sort. it is a snub. this is going to be one of the hhggeet— snub. this is going to be one of the biggest global— snub. this is going to be one of the biggest global events. it's going— the biggest global events. it's gehhg te— the biggest global events. it's gehhg te he— the biggest global events. it's going to be televised, is going to going to be televised, is going te he— going to be televised, is going to be watched— going to be televised, is going to be watched by— going to be televised, is going to be watched by millions of peepte— to be watched by millions of peepte ereeht— to be watched by millions of people around the world, just the— people around the world, just the the— people around the world, just like the queen's— people around the world, just like the queen's funeral was for joe like the queen's funeral was for wee-te— like the queen's funeral was for tee-te eheee- like the queen's funeral was for joe _to attend. and. joe biden not to attend. and yet he-teer—

joe biden not to attend. and yet he-teer hewe— joe biden not to attend. and yet he four days touring he spent four days touring ereeht— he spent four days touring ereeht-et- he spent four days touring around-of irish. he spent four days touring- around-of irish semmit around the roots of irish semmit heee— around the roots of irish semmit heee-thhhge.— around the roots of irish semmit trees .things, which- around the roots of irish semmit trees things, which is all trees and things, which is all wett— trees and things, which is all weht ehe— trees and things, which is all well and good.— trees and things, which is all well and good. he's well well and good. if he's well eheegh— well and good. if he's well eheeghlte— well and good. if he's well enough-do that,- well and good. if he's well enough do that, well enough to do that, he's well eheegh— enough to do that, he's well eheegh-heeh- enough to do that, he's well enough - back on - enough to do that, he's well enough back on his air enough to pop back on his air heree— enough to pop back on his air heree-hhe— enough to pop back on his air force the democratic party force one. the democratic party heve— force one. the democratic party heve e— force one. the democratic party heve e ehhp— force one. the democratic party heve e ehhp eh— force one. the democratic party have a chip on their shoulder eheet— have a chip on their shoulder about-about- have a chip on their shoulder about-about our- about britain, about our eetehheh— about britain, about our colonial-even. about britain, about our- colonial-even though we colonial past. even though we ended decades before the ended slavery decades before the americans attempted do , of americans attempted to do, of course, in the and 60s, they course, in the 50s and 60s, they had effective apartheid before the rights movement. and the civil rights movement. and yet they wagged their fingers at us in terms of our history, our disgrace, bloodstained disgrace, full bloodstained history. they hate history. and of course they hate brexit. and worst thing that brexit. and the worst thing that could happen. lizzy zita is another of joe biden another four years of joe biden in white house. well, i in the white house. well, i don't think-he's- in the white house. well, i don't think-he's the i in the white house. well, i. don't think-he's the best don't think that he's the best preehteht. — don't think that he's the best preehteht. h— don't think that he's the best president. rtrt:r don't think that he's the best president. rt.rt:rt“ .th president. i completely agree with what's been said that, you know, unfortunately , of all the know, unfortunately, of all the huge population that america has, you know , trump on has, we have, you know, trump on one hand, who seems like an out of control and then we have biden, who seems as if he's too old to do the job. trump not perfect, the lesser of two evils for the next four years. no, i don't think so. he's too thvhehve. — don't think so. he's too divisive. he's-

don't think so. he's too divisive. he's too- r:rt:r“ t he's too divisive. he's too dangerous. to.— divisive. he's too dangerous. we. r— divisive. he's too dangerous. we. r eer-t— divisive. he's too dangerous. no, i don't think— divisive. he's too dangerous. no, i don't think so.- divisive. he's too dangerous. no, i don't think so. okay briefly, david trump in the white house. the lesser of two evils in relation to joe biden. if it's a choice between him and hheee.— if it's a choice between him and hheee-het— if it's a choice between him and hheee-het tt— if it's a choice between him and biden. but i'd prefer it to biden. yes but i'd prefer it to be biden. yes but i'd prefer it to he heh— biden. yes but i'd prefer it to be ron desantis._ biden. yes but i'd prefer it to be ron desantis. and wolf, wee-ve— be ron desantis. and wolf, wee-ve get— be ron desantis. and wolf, wee-ve get the— be ron desantis. and wolf, you've got the casting vote. heeh— you've got the casting vote. heeh-hemp- you've got the casting vote. yeah,-trump to. you've got the casting vote.- yeah,-trump to biden yeah, i'd prefer trump to biden eremhe— yeah, i'd prefer trump to biden eremhe-hep— yeah, i'd prefer trump to biden crumbs drop debate. crumbs a mic drop debate. whet-e— crumbs a mic drop debate. what's-view?-atl what's your view? mark at gbnews.uk. it's a decision. gbnews.uk. it's not a decision. the no, of course the topic? well, no, of course not. and that's a fair point. but what do you think? because this british this is about the british national interest, something that i think at bottom that i think is at the bottom of joe biden's coming up joe biden's list. but coming up next the big story, can you next in the big story, can you reverse speak to reverse diabetes? i'll speak to two experts who say you can. two top experts who say you can. that's .

next well, a big reaction to my big opinion, ian. i think that donald trump would be the lesser of two evils in the white house in terms of the british national interest. we need a new partner

interest. we need a new partner in washington in joe biden has a problem with the united kingdom. what's gbnews.uk what's your view? mark gbnews.uk k hi, mark. an k phil says, hi, mark. i'm an american who has lived in the uk since 88. i'll always be an american but when walk american first, but when i walk outside my door, i work make outside my door, i work to make the society i live in a better place . we'll never a place. we'll never see a relationship such as what reagan and thatcher had . but the biden and thatcher had. but the biden administration is downright dismissive of the uk. chris says, hi mark, how's this for irish sleepy joe biden is a fake in egypt as well. chris i don't speak gaelic, but that sounds quite rude . how about this from quite rude. how about this from james? hi mark. i'm an anglo american . we're deeply ashamed american. we're deeply ashamed of biden and his puppeteer, a bomber. the marxist us government is destroying the usa . president trump was the best we've had. thank you for that. keep those emails coming . i've keep those emails coming. i've been asking on twitter, does britain need donald trump back in the white house? 76% have said yes. 24% said no. it's time

now for the big story in which we tackle a major news issue of the day and a report published by the charity diabetes uk shows that britain has reached an unfortunate mile stone with 5 million people now living with diabetes. 90% of whom are suffering are type two diabetes, which, unlike type one, is unked which, unlike type one, is linked to diet, lifestyle and conditions like obesity . well, conditions like obesity. well, joining me now are two men who have some good news for you. they believe that your type two diabetes or that of your friends or family could potentially be reversed sent into remission reversed or sent into remission without the need for medication. how so? well, doctor david unwin is an nhs gp who has tackled the diabetes of scores of his patients and dramatically reduced their waistlines as well . his revolutionary method was serialised in the daily mail newspaper. demonstrate showing startling results for readers. i'm also delighted to welcome a man who has been the perpetual voice of reason during the covid

19 pandemic, calling out the madness of lockdowns and mask mandates is ivor cummins, a bio chemical engineer who previously made his name in the public eye as a vociferous proponent for the low carbohydrate lifestyle. gentlemen, welcome to mark dolan tonight. dr. unwin can type two diabetes be reversed . diabetes be reversed. definitely. only i would call it remission . i would call it remission. i would call it remission. i would call it remission because that's just a reminder that if you go back to the lifestyle that created that type two diabetes in the first place, the condition will come back. what we found. so i'm a gp hem— back. what we found. so i'm a gp hem the— back. what we found. so i'm a gp hem the herth— back. what we found. so i'm a gp from the north of— t what we found. so i'm a gp from the north of england and we reethw— from the north of england and we reettw get— from the north of england and we reettw get tet— from the north of england and we reettw get tee ep— from the north of england and we really got fed up waiting for eeh— really got fed up waiting for some sort of— really got fed up waiting for some sort of solution to the ephtemhe— some sort of solution to the ephtemhe et— some sort of solution to the epidemic of type- some sort of solution to the epidemic of type two diabetes ehe— epidemic of type two diabetes me we— epidemic of type two diabetes and we decided— epidemic of type two diabetes and we decided ten years ago thet— and we decided ten years ago thet we— and we decided ten years ago thet we te— and we decided ten years ago that we do something about it . that we do something about it. ahe— that we do something about it. and weve— that we do something about it. and we've been— that we do something about it. and we've been pioneering an eppreeeh—

and we've been pioneering an eppreeeh where— and we've been pioneering an approach where we encourage peepte— approach where we encourage peepte te— approach where we encourage peepte te eet— approach where we encourage people to cut back on the foods thet— people to cut back on the foods thet pet— people to cut back on the foods thet pet ep— people to cut back on the foods thet pet ep the— people to cut back on the foods that put up the blood sugar heeeeee— that put up the blood sugar because it's— that put up the blood sugar because it's this— that put up the blood sugar because it's this increase in hheee— because it's this increase in hheee eeger— because it's this increase in blood sugar that does the damage hme.— blood sugar that does the damage thme. ahe— blood sugar that does the damage over time. and we— blood sugar that does the damage over time. and we find that of the— over time. and we find that of the peepte— over time. and we find that of the peepte whe— over time. and we find that of the people who engage with hmprevhhg— the people who engage with improving their— the people who engage with improving their diet . 50% of improving their diet. 50% of them — improving their diet. 50% of them ee— improving their diet. 50% of them are are— improving their diet. 50% of them are are so— improving their diet. 50% of them are are so proud and tethghtet— them are are so proud and delighted and— them are are so proud and delighted and because they're getthhg— delighted and because they're getthhg heg— delighted and because they're getting drug free remission of ther— getting drug free remission of their diabetes— getting drug free remission of their diabetes .— getting drug free remission of their diabetes . ortiz getting drug free remission of their diabetes. ortiz and that's eeteehhw— their diabetes. ortiz and that's actually saving— their diabetes. ortiz and that's actually saving the practise mehew— actually saving the practise money because _ actually saving the practise money because we're spending heheee— money because we're spending heheee heee— money because we're spending £68,000 less every year on the thehetee— £68,000 less every year on the thehetee heg— £68,000 less every year on the diabetes drug budget. and we've heeh— diabetes drug budget. and we've heeh tehhg— diabetes drug budget. and we've been doing that— diabetes drug budget. and we've been doing that for years now . been doing that for years now. so been doing that for years now. he we— been doing that for years now. he we teet— been doing that for years now. so we feel that,— been doing that for years now. so we feel that, yes , go ahead. so we feel that, yes, go ahead. dr. so we feel that, yes, go ahead. hr. eewhh— so we feel that, yes, go ahead. hr. uhwhh eeew— so we feel that, yes, go ahead. dr. unwin sorry to— so we feel that, yes, go ahead. dr. unwin sorry to interrupt you. what's in and what's out? it's not a complicated way of eating, is it? no, no, it's eheet— eating, is it? no, no, it's about looking— eating, is it? no, no, it's about looking at- “g c7 no, no, it's about looking at your diet and werhhhg— about looking at your diet and werhhhg eet— about looking at your diet and working out what— about looking at your diet and working out what puts up your

hheee— working out what puts up your hheee ege— working out what puts up your blood sugar. so— working out what puts up your blood sugar. so obviously , sugar blood sugar. so obviously, sugar heeh— blood sugar. so obviously, sugar hteett he— blood sugar. so obviously, sugar hteett he gehhg— blood sugar. so obviously, sugar itself is going to— blood sugar. so obviously, sugar itself is going to do that . but itself is going to do that. but the— itself is going to do that. but the h— itself is going to do that. but the h thhhh— itself is going to do that. but the i think the— itself is going to do that. but the i think the thing that eetehee— the i think the thing that catches many— the i think the thing that catches many people out are eterehw— catches many people out are starchy carbs_ catches many people out are starchy carbs ,— catches many people out are starchy carbs , which although starchy carbs, which although not starchy carbs, which although het hehhg— starchy carbs, which although not being sugar— starchy carbs, which although not being sugar ,— starchy carbs, which although not being sugar , digested down, not being sugar, digested down, eewh— not being sugar, digested down, deep hhte— not being sugar, digested down, down into surprising amounts of ege— down into surprising amounts of ege. se— down into surprising amounts of eege. se theee— down into surprising amounts of sugar. so these are— down into surprising amounts of sugar. so these are things like treet— sugar. so these are things like hreet ehe— sugar. so these are things like bread and breakfast cereals , bread and breakfast cereals, thee— bread and breakfast cereals, rice, potatoes,— bread and breakfast cereals, rice, potatoes, these things whheh— rice, potatoes, these things whheh .— rice, potatoes, these things whheh . em— rice, potatoes, these things which , um, put— rice, potatoes, these things which , um, put your blood sugar which, um, put your blood sugar up which, um, put your blood sugar ep ee— which, um, put your blood sugar ep ee eer— which, um, put your blood sugar up so our patients— which, um, put your blood sugar up so our patients eat other thhhge— up so our patients eat other things instead— up so our patients eat other things instead of starchy carbs ehe— things instead of starchy carbs ehe eegerw— things instead of starchy carbs and sugary foods— things instead of starchy carbs and sugary foods. things instead of starchy carbs and sugary foods . things instead of starchy carbs and sugary foods. things instead of starchy carbs and sugary foods . urt; and sugary foods. so what are you— and sugary foods. so what are you eating instead ? and right, you eating instead? and right, so i've i've been on this diet for ten years. um, so , so i'm for ten years. um, so, so i'm eeehhg— for ten years. um, so, so i'm heehhg mw— for ten years. um, so, so i'm heehhg mw meehe— for ten years. um, so, so i'm basing my meals on,- um, so, so i'm basing my meals on, on protein. so basing my meals on, on protein. se thet-e— basing my meals on, on protein. se thet-e heh— basing my meals on, on protein. so that's fish, eggs, cheese , so that's fish, eggs, cheese, eggs— so that's fish, eggs, cheese, egge. meet.— so that's fish, eggs, cheese, eggs, meat, that— so that's fish, eggs, cheese, eggs, meat, that kind of thing . eggs, meat, that kind of thing. ahe— eggs, meat, that kind of thing. and then— eggs, meat, that kind of thing. and the h— eggs, meat, that kind of thing. and then i have— eggs, meat, that kind of thing. and then i have loads of green veg— and then i have loads of green veg ,— and then i have loads of green veg . ee— and then i have loads of green veg . ee rm— and then i have loads of green veg, so i'm replacing the and then i have loads of green veg , so i'm replacing the white veg, so i'm replacing the white eteh— veg, so i'm replacing the white etett whh— veg, so i'm replacing the white stuff with green _ veg, so i'm replacing the white stuff with green stuff. so i eat far stuff with green stuff. so i eat her mere— stuff with green stuff. so i eat far more green— stuff with green stuff. so i eat far more green veg and hardly

any— far more green veg and hardly ehw whhte— far more green veg and hardly any white starchy— far more green veg and hardly any white starchy carbs . now any white starchy carbs. now wer— any white starchy carbs. now ivor cummins,— any white starchy carbs. now ivor cummins, it's great to have you— ivor cummins, it's great to have wee heeh— ivor cummins, it's great to have wee heeh eh— ivor cummins, it's great to have wee heeh eh the— ivor cummins, it's great to have you back on the show. t you back on the show. it seems the teet— you back on the show. it seems the reet et— you back on the show. it seems the root of the explosion in type two diabetes is in relation to dietary guidelines issued by most governments over the last few decades. where in your view have they been going wrong or . have they been going wrong or. yeah. mark well, essentially yeah. mark well“, essentially the yeah. mark well, essentially the theterw— yeah. mark well, essentially the dietary guidelines— yeah. mark well, essentially the dietary guidelines were well intentioned,_ dietary guidelines were well intentioned, but unfortunately thew— intentioned, but unfortunately thew get— intentioned, but unfortunately thew get eeme— intentioned, but unfortunately they got some things wrong. so heth— they got some things wrong. so heth teet— they got some things wrong. so david just described— they got some things wrong. so david just described what he's eating and essentially the dietary guidelines said that meat and eggs and cheese were kind of bad . so they made kind of bad. so they made a mistake there. and unfortunately, what really went wrong is the food industry jumped onto these scientific guidelines lines and said, okay, we'll give you cheap vegetable oils and cheap starches. the white stuff, refined- the white stuff, refined grains and eeereg— white stuff, refined grains and eeereg ehe— white stuff, refined grains and sugars, and we'll— white stuff, refined grains and sugars, and we'll supply you whh— sugars, and we'll supply you whth the— sugars, and we'll supply you with the so—called healthy foods . se— with the so—called healthy foods . ee bmj—

with the so—called healthy foods . ee bmj e— with the so—called healthy foods . ee bmj e rew— with the so—called healthy foods . so bmj a few years ago had a paper— . so bmj a few years ago had a peper ehe— . so bmj a few years ago had a peper ehe thew— . so bmj a few years ago had a paper and they showed that 60% of paper and they showed that 60% et hh— paper and they showed that 60% of uk calories— paper and they showed that 60% of uk calories are— paper and they showed that 60% of uk calories are now coming hem— of uk calories are now coming hem ethe— of uk calories are now coming from ultra processed foods . ' “r: from ultra processed foods. and there— from ultra processed foods. and thet-e eh— from ultra processed foods. and that's an astonishing amount of kind of toxic foodstuff to be eating, obviously. but i always say the devil's triad is the root cause of diabetes and much chronic disease and that sugar, refined grains and refined carbs and vegetable or seed oils. so essentially that's what makes up most of the ultra processed food in your supermarket. and that's most of the calories that unfortunately , the humans are unfortunately, the humans are eating now. iva, what would you say to those arguing that this is quackery or even dangerous, particularly if this diet involves eating more saturated fat people might lose weight, but they're going to have a massive heart attack, aren't they ? well, you see, this is the they? well, you see, this is the age— they? well, you see, this is the ege ehe— they? well, you see, this is the age old problem— t“rt;g7’ well, you see, this is the age old problem because mistaken perethgme— age old problem because mistaken perethgme heve— age old problem because mistaken paradigms have taken hold. \rjif.j�*ji" paradigms have taken hold. now and paradigms have taken hold. now the teen— paradigms have taken hold. now and been supported— paradigms have taken hold. now and been supported massively by industry. so i think everyone

will agree with what i just said about sugar refined grains and seed oils from factories and to not eat those, you have to eat what dr. unwin eats meat, not eat those, you have to eat what dr. unwin eats meat , fish what dr. unwin eats meat, fish and eggs and vegetables , meat and eggs and vegetables, meat and eggs and vegetables, meat and two veg. the suggestion that saturated fat from natural, wholesome human evolutionary foods is problematic is kind of absurd. and i think we're increasingly seeing now more , increasingly seeing now more, more and more publications beginning to call this out the quackery is the false paradigm of 50 years ago. that's sadly became established in the nutrition and health community. we indeed good friend of the show, dr. ken berry, who'll be familiar to both of you told me that when he was younger he was putting on weight, he was unfit. so he went back to the medical textbooks and he looked up exactly to do to lose exactly to what do to lose weight and be healthier. and he gained time gained weight. david, it's time to challenge orthodox rac, to challenge the orthodox rac,

isn't why aren't nhs isn't it? why aren't more nhs gp's replicating your. isn't it? why aren't more nhs gp's replicating your . success gp's replicating your. success that's a very good question . i that's a very good question. i whw— that's a very good question. i mean, why wasn't— that's a very good question. i mean, why wasn't i doing it eereree— mean, why wasn't i doing it before? and— mean, why wasn't i doing it before? and i— mean, why wasn't i doing it before? and i think i was exhausted— before? and i think i was exhausted .— before? and i think i was exhausted . i— before? and i think i was exhausted . i was tired out and exhausted. i was tired out and i heehtw— exhausted. i was tired out and i was busily doing— exhausted. i was tired out and i was busily doing what the what i was busily doing what the what i hehee— was busily doing what the what i was trained to _ was busily doing what the what i was trained to do,— was busily doing what the what i was trained to do, which was use metheetheh— was trained to do, which was use medication iron.— was trained to do, which was use medication iron. now they do metheetheh— medication iron. now they do metheetheh .— medication iron. now they do medication . iron— medication iron. now they do medication . iron does have medication. iron does have a part— medication. iron does have a pert te— medication. iron does have a pert te ptew— medication. iron does have a pert te ptew .— medication. iron does have a part to play - but_ medication. iron does have a part to play. but i medication. iron does have a part to play . but i wasn't part to play. but i wasn't thhhhhhg— part to play. but i wasn't thinking about the actual cause of thinking about the actual cause et twpe— thinking about the actual cause et twpe twe— thinking about the actual cause of type two diabetes. and if gehhg— of type two diabetes. and if gehhg te— of type two diabetes. and if we're going to treat this eeethhew— we're going to treat this condition, we- we're going to treat this condition, we need to think eheet— condition, we need to think about what's— condition, we need to think about what's causing it and do the eppeehe— about what's causing it and do the opposite. so— about what's causing it and do the opposite. so i— about what's causing it and do the opposite. so i mean, what eperhet— the opposite. so i mean, what eperhet me— the opposite. so i mean, what sparked me into— the opposite. so i mean, what sparked me into action was we've het— sparked me into action was we've het e— sparked me into action was we've het e mee— sparked me into action was we've had a nine fold— sparked me into action was we've had a nine fold increase in the hemerh— had a nine fold increase in the hemerh et— had a nine fold increase in the number of people— had a nine fold increase in the number of people with type two thehetee— number of people with type two thehetee hh— number of people with type two diabetes in the— number of people with type two diabetes in the same practise ehee— diabetes in the same practise h— diabetes in the same practise h wee— diabetes in the same practise h e— diabetes in the same practise since i was a young man and this is since i was a young man and this he the— since i was a young man and this he thhe he— since i was a young man and this is this is another— since i was a young man and this is this is another epidemic or ehether— is this is another epidemic or another pandemic. is this is another epidemic or another pandemic . and i think it another pandemic. and i think it is another pandemic. and i think it he he— another pandemic. and i think it he he the— another pandemic. and i think it is it's the ultra—

another pandemic. and i think it is it's the ultra processed food ehe— is it's the ultra processed food eht h— is it's the ultra processed food eht h thhhh— is it's the ultra processed food and i think it's— is it's the ultra processed food and i think it's so— is it's the ultra processed food and i think it's so it's difficult— and i think it's so it's difficult to- and i think it's so it's difficult to do something differently— difficult to do something differently .— difficult to do something differently . um, we were differently. um, we were a pheheere— differently. um, we were a pheheere hh— differently. um, we were a pioneers in this- differently. um, we were a pioneers in this , but now other pioneers in this, but now other ehh— pioneers in this, but now other the ee— pioneers in this, but now other gps are actually— pioneers in this, but now other gps are actually doing it. and the heweh— gps are actually doing it. and the royal college— gps are actually doing it. and the royal college of general practitioners— the royal college of general practitioners has— the royal college of general practitioners has published an e—teemhhg— practitioners has published an e—learning module free to every gp e—learning module free to every eh hh— e—learning module free to every eh he the— e—learning module free to every gp in the country— e—learning module free to every gp in the country on how to do the.— gp in the country on how to do the. se— gp in the country on how to do the. se there— gp in the country on how to do this. so there is— gp in the country on how to do this. so there is hope. but i am theeppehhtet— this. so there is hope. but i am disappointed it's— this. so there is hope. but i am disappointed it's taking longer then— disappointed it's taking longer the h— disappointed it's taking longer than i thought— disappointed it's taking longer than i thought it— disappointed it's taking longer than i thought it would , and i'm than i thought it would, and i'm just than i thought it would, and i'm feet hephhg— than i thought it would, and i'm feet hephhg thet— than i thought it would, and i'm just hoping that that doctors hhetehhhg— just hoping that that doctors hhetehhhg te— just hoping that that doctors listening to this— just hoping that that doctors listening to this at least are going— listening to this at least are gehhg te— listening to this at least are gehhg te thhhh— listening to this at least are going to think about it. why not just going to think about it. why not heet eet— going to think about it. why not feet eet heeh— going to think about it. why not just cut back the— going to think about it. why not just cut back the foods that put up just cut back the foods that put ep hheee— just cut back the foods that put ep hheee eeger— just cut back the foods that put up blood sugar ? _ just cut back the foods that put up blood sugar ? j.u r: t up blood sugar? david last time we spoke, you said you were close to resigning as a gp, retiring because it was so hopeless. your patients were getting fatter and more diabetic . they've cut the carbs. tell me how transformative it has been for your patients . tell me about for your patients. tell me about the difference you've seen in their lives and in their health

in every clinic i do, i'm seeing people coming in to shake my hand or give me a hug. they're so amazed, so proud— hand or give me a hug. they're so amazed, so proud .- hand or give me a hug. they're so amazed, so proud . and- “ur: ug “.g they're so amazed, so proud . and they've so amazed, so proud. and they've heet— so amazed, so proud. and they've heet wehght— so amazed, so proud. and they've heet wehght .— so amazed, so proud. and they've lost weight . they— so amazed, so proud. and they've lost weight . they feel better. lost weight. they feel better. thew-ve— lost weight. they feel better. hhew-ve eeme— lost weight. they feel better. they've come off— lost weight. they feel better. they've come off medication. they— they've come off medication. hhew hever— they've come off medication. they never expected to feel hetter— they never expected to feel hetter .— they never expected to feel hetter . thew— they never expected to feel better . they saw type two better. they saw type two thehetee— better. they saw type two diabetes as— better. they saw type two diabetes as as— better. they saw type two diabetes as as a chronic deteriorating— diabetes as as a chronic deteriorating condition. and i eee-t— deteriorating condition. and i eeh-t teth— deteriorating condition. and i eeh-t tett wee— deteriorating condition. and i can't tell you how brilliant it is can't tell you how brilliant it he te— can't tell you how brilliant it he te he— can't tell you how brilliant it is to be celebrate— can't tell you how brilliant it is to be celebrate ing with them thet— is to be celebrate ing with them thet thew-ve— is to be celebrate ing with them that they've come— is to be celebrate ing with them that they've come off medication,- that they've come off medication, they've lost weight, thehr— medication, they've lost weight, thehr hheee— medication, they've lost weight, their blood pressure's better. ahe— their blood pressure's better. and teet— their blood pressure's better. and heet te— their blood pressure's better. and just to answer what you said eerere.— and just to answer what you said hetere. weve— and just to answer what you said before, we've actually been etetwhhg— before, we've actually been etetwhhg the— before, we've actually been studying the lipid profiles , the studying the lipid profiles, the eheheetereh— studying the lipid profiles, the cholesterol of _ studying the lipid profiles, the cholesterol of all— studying the lipid profiles, the cholesterol of all the people wheve— cholesterol of all the people wheve gehe— cholesterol of all the people who've gone low— cholesterol of all the people who've gone low carb and the hhpht— who've gone low carb and the thpht prehtee— who've gone low carb and the lipid profiles have actually hmprevet— lipid profiles have actually hmprevet .— lipid profiles have actually improved . there are less improved. there are less cardiovascular- improved. there are less cardiovascular risk now than when— cardiovascular risk now than when thew— cardiovascular risk now than when they started. so the whole thhhg — when they started. so the whole thhhg teet— when they started. so the whole thing just cheerful, fun . they thing just cheerful, fun. they eee-t— thing just cheerful, fun. they eeh-t get— thing just cheerful, fun. they eeh-t get the— thing just cheerful, fun. they can't get rid of— thing just cheerful, fun. they can't get rid of me. well look, h-m — can't get rid of me. well look, rm gehhg— can't get rid of me. well look, rm gehhg te— can't get rid of me. well look, rm gehhg te ghve— can't get rid of me. well look, i'm going to give details about

hew— i'm going to give details about hew te— i'm going to give details about hew te hht— i'm going to give details about how to find out— i'm going to give details about how to find out more about your werh— how to find out more about your werh. wet.— how to find out more about your work, ivor, before— how to find out more about your work, ivor, before you go, wee-ve— work, ivor, before you go, wee-ve heeh— work, ivor, before you go, you've been heroic throughout the pehtemhe— you've been heroic throughout the pandemic and you've been eehhhhg— the pandemic and you've been eehthhg eet— the pandemic and you've been calling out mainstream scientists— calling out mainstream scientists and medical professionals pushing for debateable— professionals pushing for debateable lockdowns, masking and debateable lockdowns, masking eht — debateable lockdowns, masking and vaccine mandates. /rt:r ”hit; debateable lockdowns, masking and vaccine mandates. j/rt:r ”c; u“ and vaccine mandates. you're an ehgheer— and vaccine mandates. you're an engineer. you've just crunched the numbers. you've looked at the numbers. you've looked at the data. it didn't add up to you. you're now raising questions about public health policies mainstream policies of mainstream scientists regards to scientists in regards to nutrition and cardiovascular health. and what's your appraisal of the reputation of mainstream science, given the fact that you disagree with most of it ? yeah. well, as of it? yeah. well, as i mentioned earlier, i alluded to mainstream science was kind of captured, but over many , many captured, but over many, many decades, there's no conspiracy theory. it's a kind of an enormous groupthink that just grew from a powerful paradigm. and it made sense and there was a and it made sense and there was e eemteehee— and it made sense and there was a confluence of— and it made sense and there was a confluence of interests the teet— a confluence of interests the food companies,— a confluence of interests the food companies, the nutrition , food companies, the nutrition, eteeetheh— food companies, the nutrition, education companies. t education companies. it's just a sad education companies. it's just a set eterw. — education companies. it's just a

set eterw. se— education companies. it's just a sad story. so mainstream now is funded by kind of governments or pharmaceutical industry or food industry . see, pharmaceutical industry or food industry. see, a pharmaceutical industry or food industry . see, a lot of the industry. see, a lot of the advertising. and as a result, you know , the message tends to you know, the message tends to flow from those sources and that's just the situation we're in. i might add that my record for remission of diabetes personally was an internal medicine specialist. dr. in denverin medicine specialist. dr. in denver in march or march 2020. i met him and he ran up and hugged me. i didn't know him. and using insulin measurements after getting myself and dr. gerber's book and switching to real foods, meat, fish and eggs and vegetables in ten days, his blood insulin showed him as non—diabetic. nowi blood insulin showed him as non—diabetic. now i hasten to add,— non—diabetic. now i hasten to ett. hheee— non—diabetic. now i hasten to add, blood insulin— non—diabetic. now i hasten to add, blood insulin will- r: t now i hasten to add, blood insulin will show you add, blood insulin will show you e tet— add, blood insulin will show you e het teeter— add, blood insulin will show you a lot faster than— add, blood insulin will show you a lot faster than blood glucose ehe— a lot faster than blood glucose eht ether— a lot faster than blood glucose and other measures of type two thehetee. — and other measures of type two diabetes. his— and other measures of type two diabetes. his so— and other measures of type two diabetes. his so he- and other measures of type two diabetes. “.u: diabetes. his so he had a speedy, speedy measurement. but ten days he switched from high insulin type two diabetes to normal insulin. technically non

type two, diabetic, even cummins brilliant podcast is called the fat emperor, which covers all aspects of health and science. find him on youtube as well or on twitter at fat emperor. meanwhile, dr. david unwin can be found at low carb gp on twitter or search dr. david unwin online for his recipes and articles which are featured in the guardian. the mail and the diabetes uk website . gentlemen, diabetes uk website. gentlemen, thank you so much for your time. a deeply inspiring and positive conversation. it goes without saying that if you've got concerns about your health or if you're thinking of changing your diet or are seeking guidance in relation to type two diabetes, always consult doctor always consult your doctor first. although if you're lucky, it will be doctor david unwin coming next with the pundits coming up next with the pundits is small is giving small children a smartphone child abuse as a male blood donor was turned away for refusing say if he's pregnant refusing to say if he's pregnant or not. as the world gone mad refusing to say if he's pregnant or nwiths the world gone mad refusing to say if he's pregnant or nwith frozeniorld gone mad refusing to say if he's pregnant or nwith frozen food gone mad refusing to say if he's pregnant or nwith frozen food salesmad and with frozen food sales booming, is britain being priced out of healthy eating all of that's next with the pundits .

yeah, let's crack through some of the big, most compelling stories of the day with my top punst stories of the day with my top pundits tonight , author and pundits tonight, author and political commentator emma wolf , historian and writer david oldroyd bolt, and journalist and broadcaster lizzie zita. now the serial sex offender. broadcaster lizzie zita. now the serial sex offender . allworth serial sex offender. allworth hoare was was serving life for a sex attack when he won a £7 million lotto in 2004. and only now has he been granted access to his fortune after a 15 year legal battle, the daughter of one of his victims has urged him to donate his cash to charity. just like her mother did with her compensation . so is it wrong her compensation. so is it wrong for the lotto rapist to hang on to his 7 million? david i think it shows a great— to his 7 million? david i think it shows a great lack- to his 7 million? david i think it shows a great lack of- it shows a great lack of tetgemeht— it shows a great lack of judgement and taste on his part,

but judgement and taste on his part, het thee— judgement and taste on his part, het hee hee— judgement and taste on his part, het hee hee e— judgement and taste on his part, but then he's a serial rapist. so but then he's a serial rapist. se wee— but then he's a serial rapist. so you wouldn't— but then he's a serial rapist. so you wouldn't really expect it. so you wouldn't really expect h. rte— so you wouldn't really expect h. the e— so you wouldn't really expect it. it's a really— so you wouldn't really expect it. it's a really tricky moral prehtem — it. it's a really tricky moral problem because has legal problem because he has a legal rhght— problem because he has a legal rhght te— problem because he has a legal rhght te h— problem because he has a legal rhght te h ehe— problem because he has a legal right to it and i— problem because he has a legal right to it and i believe in the rhght— right to it and i believe in the rhght te— right to it and i believe in the right to property-_ right to it and i believe in the right to property. if we if we remove that— right to property. if we if we remove that because we dislike someone and their then someone and their actions, then we-ge— someone and their actions, then we-ge eewh— someone and their actions, then we-ge tewh e- someone and their actions, then we go down a rather we start to go down a rather trhehw— we start to go down a rather trhehw mereh— we start to go down a rather tricky moral passage. how ever in tricky moral passage. how ever he the— tricky moral passage. how ever in this instance— tricky moral passage. how ever in this instance it— tricky moral passage. how ever in this instance it sticks in the— in this instance it sticks in the crew— in this instance it sticks in the craw that— in this instance it sticks in the craw that a— in this instance it sticks in the craw that a man of his ehvheee— the craw that a man of his obvious evil— the craw that a man of his obvious evil should have such an ehermeeemehe—w- enormous amount of money after he-e— enormous amount of money after hee-eeeh— enormous amount of money after he's-such suffering- enormous amount of money after he's such suffering on he's inflicted such suffering on peepte.— he's inflicted such suffering on peepte. h— he's inflicted such suffering on peepte. r me— he's inflicted such suffering on people. i mean, was a really people. i mean, it was a really eemthethhg— people. i mean, it was a really conflicting question. a conflicting question. he has a hegeh— conflicting question. he has a teget rhght— conflicting question. he has a teget rhght te— conflicting question. he has a legal right to it.— conflicting question. he has a legal right to it. does he have a legal right to it. does he have e mereh— legal right to it. does he have e meter-he— legal right to it. does he have a moral-it? no- legal right to it. does he have a moral it? no emma, a moral right to it? no emma, whet— a moral right to it? no emma, whetle— a moral right to it? no emma, what-a prisoner— a moral right to it? no emma, what a prisoner doing being what is a prisoner doing being ethe— what is a prisoner doing being ehtelphew— what is a prisoner doing being able-play-lotto- what is a prisoner doing being able play lotto anyway? able to play the lotto anyway? he able to play the lotto anyway? he-h— able to play the lotto anyway? he-h whhte— able to play the lotto anyway? he-it while he— able to play the lotto anyway? he it while he was serving he won it while he was serving the— he won it while he was serving hhteltheee— he won it while he was serving life .these vile _ he won it while he was serving life .these vile sex- he won it while he was serving life these vile sex attacks. life for these vile sex attacks. ahe— life for these vile sex attacks. and the— life for these vile sex attacks. aht thhe wee— life for these vile sex attacks. and this was the— life for these vile sex attacks. and this was the argument. we heve— and this was the argument. we heve e— and this was the argument. we heve e teet— and this was the argument. we have a real problem . “ and this was the argument. we have a real problem . j“ have a real problem. this was the argument of the authorities in withholding cash. well, in withholding the cash. well, and been granted it. and now he's been granted it. but he doing playing but what was he doing playing the—ht— but what was he doing playing the—ht-thhel the lotto anyway? it was like the— the lotto anyway? it was like the-et— the lotto anyway? it was like the-er thet— the lotto anyway? it was like the of that lovely little the killer of that lovely little liverpudlian_ the killer of that lovely little liverpudlian girl, olivia pratt—korbel- liverpudlian girl, olivia pratt—korbel . oh, yeah. who pratt—korbel. oh, yeah. who reteeet— pratt—korbel. oh, yeah. who reteeet te— pratt—korbel. oh, yeah. who refused to appear in court for the— refused to appear in court for the sentencing— refused to appear in court for the sentencing .— refused to appear in court for the sentencing . what? who's the sentencing. what? who's reteehhg— the sentencing. what? who's reteehhg te— the sentencing. what? who's refusing to appear in court? rt;

refusing to appear in court? he eheete— refusing to appear in court? he eheete heve— refusing to appear in court? he should have been— refusing to appear in court? he should have been taken to court in the same way that they can refuse to go to prison and they put in prison. who gave him the rhght— put in prison. who gave him the rhght te— put in prison. who gave him the rhght te eere— put in prison. who gave him the right to refuse to— “ who gave him the right to refuse to appear at his eehtehehhg— right to refuse to appear at his sentencing and— right to refuse to appear at his sentencing and to— right to refuse to appear at his sentencing and to have his diva memet— sentencing and to have his diva meme.t te— sentencing and to have his diva moment, to have— sentencing and to have his diva moment, to have his diva moment and moment, to have his diva moment ehe-thet— moment, to have his diva moment ehe-thet rm— moment, to have his diva moment and-that i'm not— moment, to have his diva moment and that i'm not interested. and say that i'm not interested. i and say that i'm not interested. h tee-t— and say that i'm not interested. h teh-t eere— and say that i'm not interested. i don't care, basically. and to etterhw— i don't care, basically. and to utterly, utterly— i don't care, basically. and to utterly, utterly to _ i don't care, basically. and to utterly, utterly to show such thereepeet— utterly, utterly to show such disrespect to _ utterly, utterly to show such disrespect to the family. well i tee— disrespect to the family. well i wonder whether— disrespect to the family. well i wonder whether the argument egehhet— wonder whether the argument egehhet hhm — wonder whether the argument against him getting the cash is thet— against him getting the cash is thet he— against him getting the cash is that he purchased this lottery thehet— that he purchased this lottery ticket whilst— that he purchased this lottery ticket whilst convicted as as a rephet— ticket whilst convicted as as a rephet ehe— ticket whilst convicted as as a rapist and whilst— ticket whilst convicted as as a rapist and whilst serving time . rapist and whilst serving time. wett— rapist and whilst serving time. wett. heeh— rapist and whilst serving time. wett. teeh. h— rapist and whilst serving time. well, look, i think— rapist and whilst serving time. well, look, i think that- rapist and whilst serving time. well, look, i think that the- rapist and whilst serving time. well, look, i think that the law needs to change. i think that if you are incarcerated for a crime, then you should not be able to win these large sums of money. and surely if you do it null and void, be part of the sentence, then it's null and void. it's anathema. it's ridiculous. it should go back into the pot or it should be donated to charity. it's absolutely ridiculous. and crackers is that he is allowed to hang on to this money. and the woman who was attacked by

him.— the woman who was attacked by hhm. ee— the woman who was attacked by hhm. et— the woman who was attacked by him, one of these— the woman who was attacked by him, one of these women, gave all him, one of these women, gave eth the— him, one of these women, gave all the earnings.— him, one of these women, gave all the earnings. she eventually teeh— all the earnings. she eventually teeh hhm — all the earnings. she eventually teeh hhm te— all the earnings. she eventually took him to court— all the earnings. she eventually took him to court and after a hetg— took him to court and after a hehg. hetg— took him to court and after a long, long, decades long battle . ehe— long, long, decades long battle . ehe thhe— long, long, decades long battle , she this elderly— long, long, decades long battle , she this elderly woman , , she this elderly woman, tehetet— , she this elderly woman, donated all— , she this elderly woman, donated all that to money good causes to charities.— donated all that to money good causes to charities. yes. yeah > are— causes to charities. yes. yeah > are et— causes to charities. yes. yeah > and of course,— causes to charities. yes. yeah > and of course, this- causes to charities. yes. yeah > and of course, this there he is living in a luxury property now with this £7 million well, this evil twisted scumbag. he's also been on a retainer of £8,000 a month whilst he's been fighting these court cases. and it's nice work if you can get it. it's not the first time that it's happened. there have been other instances where rapists and murderers have one large sums of money. it should be sums of money. it should just be against it should not against the law. it should not happen. well speaking of bonkers and crackers, a male gp has been denied from donating blood after he refused to confirm whether or not he was pregnant . i kid you not he was pregnant. i kid you not. the scottish national blood transfusion service says the question had been introduced a year ago for donor safety with everyone expected to confirm whether they were pregnant or had been recently pregnant regardless of their sex. acas

are you pregnant? are you know , are you pregnant? are you know, i've just got a beer. i tested it earlier. no, absolutely. the. — it earlier. no, absolutely. fine. lizzie,— it earlier. no, absolutely. fine. lizzie, i- it earlier. no, absolutely. fine. lizzie, i need some help with this one. i just don't get it. with this one. i just don't get h. — with this one. i just don't get h. h— with this one. i just don't get it. i really don't. and the lunatics are running, and this guy could have unusual, rare blood, which is now not going to be in the of the nhs be in the gift of the nhs because he wouldn't answer. he desperately need blood- t : “ t he desperately need blood donation. is desperately need blood donation. he-ehhgee— desperately need blood donation. he-ehhgee te— desperately need blood donation. is unique to scotland is this just unique to scotland or is this just unique to scotland erlhe — is this just unique to scotland erlhe wett— is this just unique to scotland orlit? well, i— is this just unique to scotland orlit? well, i do- is this just unique to scotland orlit? well, i do think- is this just unique to scotland or it? �*vajth;t r:rt:r is this just unique to scotland or it? r:rt:r r:rt:r or is it? well, i do think i do wonder, lizzie, whether scotland is the most woke country in europe now, outside of canada. they don't refer to women in her— they don't refer to women in their guidance. _ they don't refer to women in their guidance. they refer to peepte— their guidance. they refer to peepte whe— their guidance. they refer to people who menstruate . they are. people who menstruate. they are. hew— people who menstruate. they are. hew heee— people who menstruate. they are. hew eeee thet— people who menstruate. they are. how does that-you- people who menstruate. they are. how does that-you feel- people who menstruate. they are. how does that-you feel as. how does that make you feel as official, a woman? ithink official, as a woman? i think i think official, as a woman? i think i thhhh ehh— official, as a woman? i think i thhhh eth et— official, as a woman? i think i think all of this— official, as a woman? i think i think all of this is— official, as a woman? i think i think all of this is very- think all of this is very offensive,— think all of this is very offensive, actually. it is this thhhg— offensive, actually. it is this thing chestfeeding and, thing about chestfeeding and, you thing about chestfeeding and, wee—whe- thing about chestfeeding and, wee—whe whel you know, people who who menstruate.— you know, people who who menstruate. what is wrong with eetthhg— menstruate. what is wrong with eetthhg eeme.— menstruate. what is wrong with calling women, women? why are we hehhg— calling women, women? why are we hehhg ereeete— calling women, women? why are we hehhg ereeete we.— calling women, women? why are we being erased? no, you've got to etch— being erased? no, you've got to etheh whh— being erased? no, you've got to stick with the— being erased? no, you've got to stick with the script. j/rt:r ”hit; stick with the script. you're a cis woman, okay? i'm- stick with the script. jj/rt:r ”hit; rte? 7 i'm not stick with the script. jj/rt:r ”hit; rt. “ 7 i'm not a cis cis woman, okay? i'm not a cis eht rm— cis woman, okay? i'm not a cis woman, and i'm not— rt. “ 7 i'm not a cis woman, and i'm not going to eemhrm— woman, and i'm not going to eemhrm mw— woman, and i'm not going to confirm my pronouns as i was here.— confirm my pronouns as i was here. remehe— confirm my pronouns as i was born. female and— confirm my pronouns as i was born. female and i'll stay temehe— born. female and i'll stay female, but— born. female and i'll stay female, but i— born. female and i'll stay female, but i don't need to

eemhrm— female, but i don't need to confirm that— female, but i don't need to confirm that or— female, but i don't need to confirm that or well, look, heweh.— confirm that or well, look, hevht.—theti david, isn't the point that there— david, isn't the point that there could— david, isn't the point that there could be— david, isn't the point that there could be a biological temete— there could be a biological female who— there could be a biological female who just feels they're in a female who just feels they're in e mehe— female who just feels they're in e mete hetw— female who just feels they're in a male body and— female who just feels they're in a male body and they've transitioned— a male body and they've transitioned they identify transitioned and they identify as transitioned and they identify ee mehe— transitioned and they identify as male now and they're pregnant and as male now and they're pregnant eht ehh— as male now and they're pregnant eht eth the— as male now and they're pregnant and all the nhs— as male now and they're pregnant and all the nhs are— as male now and they're pregnant and all the nhs are trying to do is and all the nhs are trying to do he te— and all the nhs are trying to do is to accommodate— and all the nhs are trying to do is to accommodate someone like the — is to accommodate someone like the seretw— is to accommodate someone like that. surely that's— is to accommodate someone like that. surely that's a— is to accommodate someone like that. g: that. surely that's a good thing? no, it's not. this is a hemeh— thing? no, it's not. this is a tenth et— thing? no, it's not. this is a denial of truth— thing? no, it's not. this is a denial of truth and- “g7’ no, it's not. this is a denial of truth and this is a the— denial of truth and this is a thhe he— denial of truth and this is a thhe he ehh— denial of truth and this is a this is all that's— denial of truth and this is a this is all that's happening here.— this is all that's happening here. the— this is all that's happening here. this-a— this is all that's happening here. this a denial of here. this is a denial of straightforward truth you straightforward truth that you emet— straightforward truth that you cannot change _ straightforward truth that you cannot change sex. you may ehehge— cannot change sex. you may ehehge-eht- cannot change sex. you may change-and you- cannot change sex. you may change and you can change gender and you can htehthtw— change gender and you can htehthtw-wee- change gender and you can identify you like, change gender and you can- identify-you like, but identify with what you like, but you—a _ identify with what you like, but wee—e meh- identify with what you like, but wee—e ehe- identify with what you like, but. you—a man and-are you are always a man and you are etwewe— you are always a man and you are etwewe e— you are always a man and you are etwewe e-hem — you are always a man and you are always a-from the- you are always a man and you are always a from the moment always a woman from the moment you always a woman from the moment wee-here— always a woman from the moment wee-herh-the— always a woman from the moment you born the moment you were born until the moment you were born until the moment wee the.— you were born until the moment you die. whatever.— you were born until the moment you die. whatever. you're eetehte— you die. whatever. you're outside parents. and i think outside of parents. and i think it .offensive. _ outside of parents. and i think it offensive. moreover, it is offensive. but moreover, it is offensive. but moreover, h-hhte— it is offensive. but moreover, h-hhte the- it is offensive. but moreover,i it-into the narrative it just plays into the narrative thet— it just plays into the narrative thet-he— it just plays into the narrative that is malleable that truth is a malleable and eehteethve— that truth is a malleable and subjective - it - that truth is a malleable and subjective - it. not. i that truth is a malleable and subjective it not. it subjective matter. it is not. it is subjective matter. it is not. it he e— subjective matter. it is not. it he e meher— subjective matter. it is not. it is a matter of— subjective matter. it is not. it is a matter of biological fact. he— is a matter of biological fact. ht-e—wemeh. - is a matter of biological fact. it's—women. it'si it's offensive to women. it's tehgereee— it's offensive to women. it's dangerous-the- it's offensive to women. it's dangerous the nhs it's offensive to women. it's- dangerous-the nhs isn't dangerous because the nhs isn't getthhg— dangerous because the nhs isn't getthhg-h— dangerous because the nhs isn't getthhg-h ee.t - dangerous because the nhs isn't getting it needs. glad getting blood it needs. i'm glad this getting blood it needs. i'm glad thhe—thhe— getting blood it needs. i'm glad thhe—thhe te- getting blood it needs. i'm glad this-this to point- this doctor did this to point eet— this doctor did this to point out-absurdity- this doctor did this to point out-absurdity of. this doctor did this to point out absurdity of it, out the true absurdity of it, ehe— out the true absurdity of it, me h— out the true absurdity of it, me h hepe— out the true absurdity of it, and i hope that— out the true absurdity of it, and i hope that the people of heetheht— and i hope that the people of scotland are— and i hope that the people of scotland are starting to realise hew— scotland are starting to realise hew-thehr— scotland are starting to realise how-their country- scotland are starting to realise how their country has become how mad their country has become enter—the— how mad their country has become enter—the er— how mad their country has become under—the or under. under the aegis of the or under the-governance- under the aegis of the or under the-governance of- under the aegis of the or under the governance of the the mad governance of the snp. ahe— the mad governance of the snp. ant-get— the mad governance of the snp. ant-get rhe— the mad governance of the snp. ant-get rht et— the mad governance of the snp. and get rid of them next and they get rid of them next

thme— and they get rid of them next hme—cemet- and they get rid of them next time _cannot be i time because this cannot be ettewet— time because this cannot be allowed continue allowed to continue this eheehete— allowed to continue this absolute-of- allowed to continue this absolute of truth allowed to continue this absolute _of truth bad absolute denial of truth is bad for absolute denial of truth is bad fer—hrhtheh- absolute denial of truth is badj for—british shoppers absolute denial of truth is bad. for—british shoppers , for a nation. british shoppers, meanwhile, are switching from fresh to frozen food to try to keep down their spending during the cost of living crisis. shoppers are turning down the frozen aisles with sales of ready meals, pizzas and chips increasing by 2.6. so is britain being priced out of healthy eating ? what's your view on eating? what's your view on frozen food ? and david, frozen frozen food? and david, frozen vegetehtee— frozen food? and david, frozen vegetables can— frozen food? and david, frozen vegetables can be— “ :7 and david, frozen vegetables can be really good. they— vegetables can be really good. hhew trep— vegetables can be really good. hhew trep e— vegetables can be really good. they trap a great— vegetables can be really good. they trap a great many nutrients thet— they trap a great many nutrients thet ee— they trap a great many nutrients thet teet— they trap a great many nutrients that are lost in— they trap a great many nutrients that are lost in the— that are lost in the transportation of fresh vegetables. - transportation of fresh vegetables. i've never bought the ergemeht— vegetables. i've never bought the argument that it is epeeehv— the argument that it is expensive to- the argument that it is expensive to cook good fresh teet— expensive to cook good fresh teet — expensive to cook good fresh food ever. it's— expensive to cook good fresh food ever. it's much more epeeehv— food ever. it's much more epeeehv te — food ever. it's much more expensive to buy ready meals, to buy— expensive to buy ready meals, to hew-ehe— expensive to buy ready meals, to hew-ehe thhhge— expensive to buy ready meals, to buy and things that buy chips and things like that then— buy chips and things like that thee-te— buy chips and things like that thee-te ge— buy chips and things like that than-to go and- buy chips and things like that than to go and buy than it is to go and buy vegetables— than it is to go and buy- vegetables—soup than it is to go and buy- vegetables_soup or to vegetables and make a soup or to buy vegetables and make a soup or to hew-cete— vegetables and make a soup or to hew-eete et— vegetables and make a soup or to buy-cuts of meat- vegetables and make a soup or to buy cuts of meat and buy buy cheap cuts of meat and buy ehe— buy cheap cuts of meat and buy me mehe— buy cheap cuts of meat and buy and make large— buy cheap cuts of meat and buy and make large amounts of good, hetrhheee— and make large amounts of good, nutritious food. _ and make large amounts of good, nutritious food. but— and make large amounts of good, nutritious food. fl�*ilhtjc�*u' nutritious food. but the ready meals quick and it's all the meals are quick and it's all the kids well, i don't take kids will eat well, i don't take that people the that argument if people the first point that people don't first point is that people don't know cook. i think a lot know to how cook. i think a lot of know to how cook. i think a lot et the— know to how cook. i think a lot et the thme— know to how cook. i think a lot of the time because— t i think a lot of the time because they haven't had of the time because they haven't het the— of the time because they haven't had the education,—

of the time because they haven't had the education, this is a tethere— had the education, this is a failure .family_ had the education, this is a failure family of the failure of family and of the eteeetheh— failure of family and of the education because the education system because the hhewhetge— education system because the knowledge has— education system because the knowledge has been lost over geeeretheee— knowledge has been lost over generations. three generations. now to three geherethehe— generations. now to three- generations - access, generations of easy to access, eeew— generations of easy to access, eeewlprepere— generations of easy to access, eeewlpreperelverw- generations of easy to access, easy prepare, very un easy to prepare, but very un hetrhheee— easy to prepare, but very un nutritious and— easy to prepare, but very un nutritious and very bad food . nutritious and very bad food. hhete— nutritious and very bad food. hhzzhe wett— nutritious and very bad food. lizzie well, it's— nutritious and very bad food. lizzie well, it's look,- nutritious and very bad food. lizzie well, it's look, i- nutritious and very bad food. lizzie well, it's look, i think that they are pushing the frozen food because , because maybe food because, because maybe people haven't got enough money to buy the fresh kind. i don't think that you can ever replace a good food. and my research tells me that depher in the plastic and also bpa in the plastic and also bpa in the plastic leaches into the food. now, i'm not being from frozen food. well, it's from the plastic that the food is stored in. i look at it and i think that can't be good. sometimes i buy frozen veg because it's good to have it in the back of the fridge. but i think fresh is always better and i think that really during these times we should be trying to grow our own vegetables if you grow vegetables as even if you grow a few tomatoes, well, that's a nice i mean, emma, you've nice idea. i mean, emma, you've got young, young son. is it got a young, a young son. is it hard to get him eat fresh hard to get him to eat fresh food? hoovering food? the kids are hoovering up the snacks, they?

the frozen snacks, aren't they? no. are hoovering up junk no. kids are hoovering up junk teet— no. kids are hoovering up junk teet ehe— no. kids are hoovering up junk food and packets— no. kids are hoovering up junk food and packets of crisps and thhhge— food and packets of crisps and thhhge hhe— food and packets of crisps and things like that. _ food and packets of crisps and things like that. of course, my hee-t— things like that. of course, my son isn't-that,- things like that. of course, my son isn't-that, but- son isn't doing that, but i thhh— son isn't doing that, but i think-been— son isn't doing that, but i think-been a- son isn't doing that, but i think been a scandal for think it's been a scandal for meew— think it's been a scandal for many,-decades- think it's been a scandal for many, decades this many, many decades in this eeehhw— many, many decades in this eeehtrw thet— many, many decades in this country that junk food is much, meeh— country that junk food is much, much _calorie- country that junk food is much, much _calorie for- much cheaper calorie for eeherhe. — much cheaper calorie for calorie. _buy- much cheaper calorie fori calorie. _buyllot much cheaper calorie for- calorie.-buyllot more. calorie. you can buy a lot more. hee— calorie. you can buy a lot more. hee-get— calorie. you can buy a lot more. hee-get e— calorie. you can buy a lot more. hee-get e-et— calorie. you can buy a lot more. you-get a-of multi- calorie. you can buy a lot more. you get a of multi pack you can get a bag of multi pack of you can get a bag of multi pack et erhepe— you can get a bag of multi pack et erhepe. ehght— you can get a bag of multi pack of crisps, eight packets of erhepe— of crisps, eight packets of erhepe-peeht- of crisps, eight packets of crisps-pound in- of crisps, eight packets of crisps pound in the crisps for a pound in the supermarket.— crisps for a pound in the supermarket. but if you want to buy— supermarket. but if you want to hew ergeme— supermarket. but if you want to buy organic fresh _ supermarket. but if you want to buy organic fresh fruit and vegetehhee— buy organic fresh fruit and vegetables, expensive. vegetables, that is expensive. hhete— vegetables, that is expensive. there the — vegetables, that is expensive. that's the really— vegetables, that is expensive. that's the really shocking thing in that's the really shocking thing hh-eeehhw— that's the really shocking thing in .country that— that's the really shocking thing in .country that it- that's the really shocking thing in country that it is in this country that it is eheeper— in this country that it is cheaper-feed- in this country that it is cheaper feed kids in this country that it is- cheaperlfeed-kids junk cheaper to feed your kids junk thee— cheaper to feed your kids junk the h— cheaper to feed your kids junk than it should— cheaper to feed your kids junk than it should be.— cheaper to feed your kids junk than it should be. “urt; than it should be. is there a snobbery about frozen food, though, the fact that though, given the fact that a lot frozen food? i mean, lot of frozen food? i mean, i love iceland. it's a great shop . it is. and a lot of the gear they sell, i think it's really quite course it is. quite healthy. of course it is. and actually lizzie's wrong. hete— and actually lizzie's wrong. hete et— and actually lizzie's wrong. lots of vegetables have lots of vegetables which have heeh — lots of vegetables which have heeh -the — lots of vegetables which have been the supermarket, been sitting in the supermarket, as been sitting in the supermarket, -eeeewe.— been sitting in the supermarket, -eeeewe. hh— been sitting in the supermarket, -eeeewe. he the— as david says, in the transportation, can as david says, in the- transportation, -can freeze transportation, they can freeze hetrhehte. —h| nutrients. yes, you freeze it a lot quicker, much sooner. it comes down to lack of lot quicker, much sooner. it- comes down to lack of education. whet— comes down to lack of education. whet eheet— comes down to lack of education. whet eheet eth— comes down to lack of education. what about all the— comes down to lack of education. what about all the plastic- comes down to lack of education. what about all the plastic that it's in, though, that it's wrapped in, though, that really concerns another thing to worry your view, worry about what's your view, mark gbnews.uk up, it's mark at gbnews.uk. next up, it's mark at gbnews.uk. next up, it's mark meats and it's a scorcher.

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in two. yes, it's time for mark meats. tonight, the heroic soldier, famous for the bravo two zero mission against iraqi forces in the first iraq war. and of course, now bestselling author chris ryan during the gulf war. ryan was a team member of the ill fated eight man sas patrol with the call sign bravo two zero stationed between baghdad and north—west iraq. together intelligence and help out in destroying scud missiles as they were compromised and feared executed when they were forced to head to syria on foot. ryan walked almost 200 miles to the syrian border. this march made sas history as the longest

escape and evasion by an sas trooper or any other soldier dunng trooper or any other soldier during his escape , ryan suffered during his escape, ryan suffered injuries from drinking water contaminated with nuclear waste. in 1991, ryan was awarded the coveted military medal in recognition of gallant and distinguished services in the gulf . chris ryan, welcome to gulf. chris ryan, welcome to mark dolan tonight. hi mark. how are you? i'm very well. what a story to recount. you've clearly had to display amazing courage . were there moments when courage. were there moments when you genuinely feared for your life ? i would say every day, life? i would say every day, every night. mark it actually it went— every night. mark it actually it weeht the— every night. mark it actually it wasn't the fear— every night. mark it actually it wasn't the fear of— ”j “ g“ mark it actually it wasn't the fear of being caught or wasn't the fear of being caught er the— wasn't the fear of being caught er the hregh — wasn't the fear of being caught or the iraqi army— wasn't the fear of being caught or the iraqi army .— wasn't the fear of being caught or the iraqi army. it was the weether.— or the iraqi army. it was the weether. ht— or the iraqi army. it was the weather. it was— or the iraqi army. it was the weather. it was the coldest whhter— weather. it was the coldest whhter hreg — weather. it was the coldest winter iraq had— weather. it was the coldest winter iraq had ever had for 30 weee— winter iraq had ever had for 30 wee. a— winter iraq had ever had for 30 years. a temperatures were below terhhg— years. a temperatures were below terhhg the— years. a temperatures were below zero during the day— years. a temperatures were below zero during the day and at hhght— zero during the day and at hhght. ahe— zero during the day and at night. and to— zero during the day and at night. and to back that up, eeew.— night. and to back that up, eettw. twe— night. and to back that up, eettw. twe et— night. and to back that up,

sadly, two of my colleagues died of sadly, two of my colleagues died et hwpethermhe— sadly, two of my colleagues died et hwpethermhe .— sadly, two of my colleagues died of hypothermia . i— sadly, two of my colleagues died of hypothermia . i lay next to of hypothermia. i lay next to et— of hypothermia. i lay next to et the— of hypothermia. i lay next to one of the guys,— of hypothermia. i lay next to one of the guys, vince phillips , a one of the guys, vince phillips . e verw— one of the guys, vince phillips . e verw hreve— one of the guys, vince phillips , a very brave soldier who who peeeet— , a very brave soldier who who peeeet ewew— , a very brave soldier who who peeeet ewew .— , a very brave soldier who who passed away . um— , a very brave soldier who who passed away . um during the passed away. um during the hhght.— passed away. um during the hhght. ht— passed away. um during the hhght. rt wee— passed away. um during the night. it was horrendous. and . night. it was horrendous. and. hheee— night. it was horrendous. and. hheee eeve— night. it was horrendous. and. those seven days— night. it was horrendous. and. those seven days and eight hhghte.— those seven days and eight nights, obviously i had to lie up nights, obviously i had to lie ep terhhg— nights, obviously i had to lie ep terhhg the— nights, obviously i had to lie up during the day and it was eheehete— up during the day and it was absolute freezing and there was no absolute freezing and there was he eteep — absolute freezing and there was he eteep .— absolute freezing and there was he eteep . h— absolute freezing and there was no sleep . i would— absolute freezing and there was no sleep . i would try and nod no sleep. i would try and nod 0p.— no sleep. i would try and nod eh. het— no sleep. i would try and nod off, but basically— no sleep. i would try and nod off, but basically woke up, you hhew— off, but basically woke up, you hhew .— off, but basically woke up, you hhew . ehehhhg— off, but basically woke up, you know , shaking and that's your know, shaking and that's your hetw— know, shaking and that's your hetw tetthhg— know, shaking and that's your body telling you _ know, shaking and that's your body telling you if you don't wehe— body telling you if you don't wehe ep— body telling you if you don't wehe ep. weere— body telling you if you don't wake up, you're going to die terhhg— wake up, you're going to die terhhg the— wake up, you're going to die during the night. the only reephe— during the night. the only reephte h— during the night. the only respite i had— during the night. the only respite i had was walking 40km, whheh— respite i had was walking 40km, whheh hept— respite i had was walking 40km, whheh hept me— respite i had was walking 40km, which kept me, you know, reeeehehhw— which kept me, you know, reasonably warm. but during the day reasonably warm. but during the dew them— reasonably warm. but during the dew them h— reasonably warm. but during the day them 12 hours— reasonably warm. but during the day them 12 hours lie lying and hhthhg— day them 12 hours lie lying and hhthhg wee— day them 12 hours lie lying and hiding were horrendous . : hiding were horrendous. how does that hiding were horrendous. how does thet revet— hiding were horrendous. how does thet tevet et— hiding were horrendous. how does that level of peril and privation change you ? well,

privation change you? well, certainly it certainly- tg rt:r7 well, certainly it certainly makes you thhh— certainly it certainly makes you thhhh ee— certainly it certainly makes you thhhh ee wee— certainly it certainly makes you think as you get— certainly it certainly makes you think as you get older, because h-m — think as you get older, because m e— think as you get older, because m e meh— think as you get older, because m e et— think as you get older, because m e et e— think as you get older, because i'm a man of a certain age now at i'm a man of a certain age now et eh.— i'm a man of a certain age now et eh. ehe— i'm a man of a certain age now at 60, and when— i'm a man of a certain age now at 60, and when i— i'm a man of a certain age now at 60, and when i look back or when— at 60, and when i look back or when r— at 60, and when i look back or when r eeme— at 60, and when i look back or when i come back— at 60, and when i look back or when i come back to the uk and wet— when i come back to the uk and vheht the— when i come back to the uk and visit the regimental graveyard ehe— visit the regimental graveyard eht h— visit the regimental graveyard eht h eee— visit the regimental graveyard eht h ter— visit the regimental graveyard and i see, for instance, bob cehehgthe— and i see, for instance, bob cehehghhe .— and i see, for instance, bob cehehgthe . h— and i see, for instance, bob consiglio , i still- and i see, for instance, bob consiglio , i still see him as a consiglio, i still see him as a young— consiglio, i still see him as a young .— consiglio, i still see him as a weehg . e— consiglio, i still see him as a weehg . e weehg— consiglio, i still see him as a young, a young guy. he was the weehgeet— young, a young guy. he was the youngest member— young, a young guy. he was the youngest member in that patrol . youngest member in that patrol. and youngest member in that patrol. aht heh— youngest member in that patrol. and bob actually— youngest member in that patrol. and bob actually sat lost his the— and bob actually sat lost his the te— and bob actually sat lost his the te eeve— and bob actually sat lost his life to save four— and bob actually sat lost his life to save four members of the petret— life to save four members of the petret .— life to save four members of the petret . ahe— life to save four members of the petret . and he— life to save four members of the patrol . and he was— life to save four members of the patrol . and he was also given patrol. and he was also given the— patrol. and he was also given the mhtherw— patrol. and he was also given the military medal. but i hetheve— the military medal. but i believe bob— the military medal. but i believe bob should have been ghveh— believe bob should have been ghveh the— believe bob should have been ghveh the we.— believe bob should have been given the vc. he— believe bob should have been given the vc. he he he went to greene— given the vc. he he he went to greeht ehe— given the vc. he he he went to greeht me he— given the vc. he he he went to ground and he kept the enemy at bay ground and he kept the enemy at hew ter— ground and he kept the enemy at hew ter eve— ground and he kept the enemy at hew ter ao— ground and he kept the enemy at bay for over 40 minutes before for bay for over 40 minutes before her eettw— bay for over 40 minutes before her eettw .— bay for over 40 minutes before her eettw . he— bay for over 40 minutes before for sadly , he was— bay for over 40 minutes before for sadly , he was shot and for sadly, he was shot and hhttet— for sadly, he was shot and hhttet .— for sadly, he was shot and killed , but— for sadly, he was shot and killed , but allowed the other killed, but allowed the other the ether— killed, but allowed the other the ether gewe— killed, but allowed the other the other guys to escape . so the other guys to escape. so when— the other guys to escape. so when wee— the other guys to escape. so when wee pet— the other guys to escape. so when you put it— the other guys to escape. so when you put it into context , i when you put it into context, i mean, you know,— when you put it into context, i mean, you know, you can say, you heee.— mean, you know, you can say, you hhew. rm— mean, you know, you can say, you hhew. h-m hevhhg— mean, you know, you can say, you hhew. h-m hevhhg e— mean, you know, you can say, you know, i'm having a bad day, but

thme— know, i'm having a bad day, but thme he— know, i'm having a bad day, but thme he e— know, i'm having a bad day, but thme he e he— know, i'm having a bad day, but thme he e he e— know, i'm having a bad day, but time is a is a is— know, i'm having a bad day, but time is a is a is a— know, i'm having a bad day, but time is a is a is a softener. g...— time is a is a is a softener. hm. ehe— time is a is a is a softener. hm. me he— time is a is a is a softener. um, and it's very- time is a is a is a softener. um, and it's very hard for even for um, and it's very hard for even her me— um, and it's very hard for even her me te— um, and it's very hard for even her me te wee— um, and it's very hard for even for me to you know, think back on, for me to you know, think back eh thet— for me to you know, think back on, on that week,— for me to you know, think back on, on that week, um , i was on, on that week, um, i was a geethhet— on, on that week, um, i was a qualified guide— on, on that week, um, i was a qualified guide .— on, on that week, um, i was a qualified guide . i've worked in qualified guide. i've worked in et— qualified guide. i've worked in et the— qualified guide. i've worked in some of the coldest places on eerth. — some of the coldest places on eerth. het— some of the coldest places on earth. but that— some of the coldest places on earth. but that week in iraq was eertehhtw— earth. but that week in iraq was eertehhtw the— earth. but that week in iraq was certainly the worst— earth. but that week in iraq was certainly the worst week i've het— certainly the worst week i've het . — certainly the worst week i've het . ahe— certainly the worst week i've het . are wee.— certainly the worst week i've had . and you, you,- certainly the worst week i've had. “r: t: certainly the worst week i've - had . and you, you, you faced it. had. and you, you, you faced it. execution does the memory of that haunt you ? you've talked that haunt you? you've talked about suffering, post—traumatic stress disorder. mark, stress disorder. yeah mark, that's a good point . the only that's a good point. the only way i can describe— that's a good point. the only way i can describe it- g: the only way i can describe it was whilst i way i can describe it was whilst twee— way i can describe it was whilst hvvee eh— way i can describe it was whilst hvvee eh the— way i can describe it was whilst i was on the run— way i can describe it was whilst i was on the run in— way i can describe it was whilst i was on the run in iraq, my geet— i was on the run in iraq, my geet wee— i was on the run in iraq, my geet te— i was on the run in iraq, my goal was to get— i was on the run in iraq, my goal was to get across that herter— goal was to get across that herter hhte — goal was to get across that border into syria . and, you border into syria. and, you hhew.— border into syria. and, you hhew. h— border into syria. and, you hhew. h wee— border into syria. and, you know, i was facing the weather. i know, i was facing the weather. r wee— know, i was facing the weather. h teehhg — know, i was facing the weather. i was facing the— know, i was facing the weather. i was facing the iraqi troops on a i was facing the iraqi troops on e eh e hhghttw— i was facing the iraqi troops on a on a nightly basis. i was facing the iraqi troops on a on a nightly basis . when i got a on a nightly basis. when i got hhte— a on a nightly basis. when i got the swee— a on a nightly basis. when i got the swrhe. h— a on a nightly basis. when i got into syria. i thought i was eete. — into syria. i thought i was eete. hhet— into syria. i thought i was safe. that was,- into syria. i thought i was safe. that was, you know, the hhet— safe. that was, you know, the hhet geet— safe. that was, you know, the final goal actually , when i got final goal actually, when i got hhte— final goal actually, when i got

the swrhe. — final goal actually, when i got here swrhe. ahw— final goal actually, when i got into syria. any mental problems thet— into syria. any mental problems thet h.— into syria. any mental problems thet h. h— into syria. any mental problems that i, i succumbed to or or had et— that i, i succumbed to or or had et thet— that i, i succumbed to or or had was at that point— that i, i succumbed to or or had was at that point because i, i et— was at that point because i, i et e— was at that point because i, i et e hew— was at that point because i, i was at a low ebb— was at that point because i, i was at a low ebb .- was at that point because i, i was at a low ebb . i probably was at a low ebb. i probably heee-t— was at a low ebb. i probably heth-t etept— was at a low ebb. i probably hadn't slept at— was at a low ebb. i probably hadn't slept at all for six tewe. — hadn't slept at all for six tewe. h— hadn't slept at all for six days. i hadn't— hadn't slept at all for six days. i hadn't ate or drank very thtte— days. i hadn't ate or drank very the h— days. i hadn't ate or drank very little. i handed— days. i hadn't ate or drank very little. i handed myself over to the pethee— little. i handed myself over to the police and— little. i handed myself over to the police and i— little. i handed myself over to the police and i should have heeh— the police and i should have heeh eere— the police and i should have been safe and— the police and i should have been safe and because of maybe , been safe and because of maybe, you been safe and because of maybe, wee hhew.— been safe and because of maybe, wee hhew. hehr.— been safe and because of maybe, you know, their, their loyalties to you know, their, their loyalties te thehr— you know, their, their loyalties to their cousins— you know, their, their loyalties to their cousins in, in iraq, thew— to their cousins in, in iraq, thew thew— to their cousins in, in iraq, thew thew thew— to their cousins in, in iraq, they they they messed around whth — they they they messed around whth me— they they they messed around whth hhew— they they they messed around with me. they held a mock eeetheh — with me. they held a mock execution. they— with me. they held a mock execution. they told me i was going— execution. they told me i was gehhg te— execution. they told me i was going to baghdad and everything etee— going to baghdad and everything etee. se— going to baghdad and everything etee. se h— going to baghdad and everything else. so i would— going to baghdad and everything else. so i would say the mental prehteme— else. so i would say the mental problems came— else. so i would say the mental problems came from that short perhet— problems came from that short perhet et— problems came from that short period of time.— problems came from that short period of time. when i got to damascus and— period of time. when i got to damascus and i— period of time. when i got to damascus and i was handed over to damascus and i was handed over te thehr— damascus and i was handed over te thehr eeret— damascus and i was handed over to their secret police, these guys— to their secret police, these guys .— to their secret police, these gewe . thew— to their secret police, these guys , they couldn't do enough guys, they couldn't do enough for guys, they couldn't do enough ter me— guys, they couldn't do enough ter me .— guys, they couldn't do enough ter me . het— guys, they couldn't do enough for me . but it— guys, they couldn't do enough for me. but it was just guys, they couldn't do enough for me . but it was just that for me. but it was just that thet— for me. but it was just that thet emett— for me. but it was just that that small period of 24 hours of hehhg— that small period of 24 hours of hehhg teehtet— that small period of 24 hours of being taunted and— that small period of 24 hours of being taunted and told that i gehhg— being taunted and told that i gehhg te— being taunted and told that i was going to die. at one point,

you— was going to die. at one point, wee hhew.— was going to die. at one point, wee hhew. h— was going to die. at one point, wee hhew. h wee— was going to die. at one point, you know, i was i— was going to die. at one point, you know, i was i was in the teeert— you know, i was i was in the teeth hhew— you know, i was i was in the desert. they dragged me out of a vehhete— desert. they dragged me out of a vehhete ehe— desert. they dragged me out of a vehicle and they— desert. they dragged me out of a vehicle and they they put a phetet— vehicle and they they put a phetet te— vehicle and they they put a phetet te mw— vehicle and they they put a pistol to my head and i was more emewet— pistol to my head and i was more emewet et— pistol to my head and i was more annoyed at myself— pistol to my head and i was more annoyed at myself for handing mweett— annoyed at myself for handing mweett — annoyed at myself for handing myself over, you— annoyed at myself for handing myself over, you know , i'd just myself over, you know, i'd just wethet— myself over, you know, i'd just wethet ter— myself over, you know, i'd just walked for seven— myself over, you know, i'd just walked for seven days and eight hhghte— walked for seven days and eight hhghte ehe— walked for seven days and eight hhghte eht h— walked for seven days and eight nights and i thought, you know, i nights and i thought, you know, h eeehe— nights and i thought, you know, h eeett heve— nights and i thought, you know, i could have walked to damascus . it i could have walked to damascus . ht wee— i could have walked to damascus . ht h— i could have walked to damascus . ht h wee— i could have walked to damascus . it was it was a— i could have walked to damascus . it was it was a bizarre time. weee-t— . it was it was a bizarre time. weeh-t the— . it was it was a bizarre time. wasn't the best— . it was it was a bizarre time. wasn't the best week? well, no . wasn't the best week? well, no. rettewhhg— wasn't the best week? well, no. rettewmg weer— wasn't the best week? well, no. following your consumption- wasn't the best week? well, no. following your consumption of radioactive water during your bravo two zero escape, you you actually were advised not to have any kids, but you're delighted to have that daughter of yours. yes. that was that was thet— of yours. yes. that was that was thet wee— of yours. yes. that was that was that was strange— of yours. yes. that was that was that was strange .— of yours. yes. that was that was that was strange . um,- yes. that was that was that was strange . um, when i got that was strange. um, when i got out .— that was strange. um, when i got eet . the— that was strange. um, when i got eet . the twe— that was strange. um, when i got eet . the tee h— that was strange. um, when i got out , the two i of— that was strange. um, when i got out , the two i of the embassy, out, the two i of the embassy, r...— out, the two i of the embassy, he. he— out, the two i of the embassy, he, he worked— out, the two i of the embassy, he, he worked for— out, the two i of the embassy, he, he worked for a certain tepertmeht— he, he worked for a certain department within our security eehe— department within our security eeht. wett— department within our security said, well look,— department within our security said, well look, do you know eemethhg— said, well look, do you know something, chris? c something, chris? it's the most fascinating story we've got to get you in the studio to discuss it because clock's against it because the clock's against us. but let me tell you, your books are incredible. you've written for teenagers, for adults, fiction, non—fiction. do check brilliant check out the brilliant published of chris ryan.

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. mark thanks very much indeed. the top story on gb news tonight are the top story on gb news tonight chew— the top story on gb news tonight chhtw ve— the top story on gb news tonight chhtw ve eewe— the top story on gb news tonight are cindy yu says will stage ehether— are cindy yu says will stage another round— are cindy yu says will stage another round of— are cindy yu says will stage another round of strikes after rereethhg— another round of strikes after rereethhg e— another round of strikes after rereethhg e pew— another round of strikes after rejecting a pay offer from the gevemmet.— rejecting a pay offer from the government. the— rejecting a pay offer from the government. the same offer which unison nurses overwhelmingly eeeeptet— unison nurses overwhelmingly eeeeptet .— unison nurses overwhelmingly accepted . royal— unison nurses overwhelmingly accepted . royal college of accepted. royal college of werehhg— accepted. royal college of nursing members voted to reject a nursing members voted to reject e hh— nursing members voted to reject e the pew— nursing members voted to reject e the pew thee— nursing members voted to reject a 5% pay rise this— nursing members voted to reject a 5% pay rise this year , as well a 5% pay rise this year, as well as a 5% pay rise this year, as well ee e eeeh— a 5% pay rise this year, as well as a cash payment— a 5% pay rise this year, as well as a cash payment for last year. the— as a cash payment for last year. the eetheh— as a cash payment for last year. the action running— as a cash payment for last year. the action running from 8:00 in the evehhhg— the action running from 8:00 in the evehhhg eh— the action running from 8:00 in the evening on the— the action running from 8:00 in the evening on the 30th of april for the evening on the 30th of april ter ae— the evening on the 30th of april her he heere— the evening on the 30th of april for 48 hours will— the evening on the 30th of april for 48 hours will for the first thme— for 48 hours will for the first time involve— for 48 hours will for the first time involve nurses working in emergehew— time involve nurses working in emergency departments , intensive emergency departments, intensive ehe— emergency departments, intensive care and cancer care. well, hwhsow— care and cancer care. well, unison announced today that its the— unison announced today that its the memehre— unison announced today that its nhs members had accepted the 5% pay nhs members had accepted the 5% pew ether.— nhs members had accepted the 5% pay offer. paediatric— nhs members had accepted the 5% pay offer. paediatric nurse hthvhe— pay offer. paediatric nurse olivia princewill told gb news, heeve. the— olivia princewill told gb news, however, the government could heve — however, the government could heve eheree— however, the government could have offered more— however, the government could have offered more in junior teetere— have offered more in junior doctors worked— have offered more in junior doctors worked for incredibly tehg— doctors worked for incredibly tehg hee— doctors worked for incredibly long hours, so— doctors worked for incredibly long hours, so the nurses in eehthhehe— long hours, so the nurses in conditions that— long hours, so the nurses in conditions that are absolutely rhtheeteee— conditions that are absolutely ridiculous to— conditions that are absolutely ridiculous to them come to work

ehe— ridiculous to them come to work me he— ridiculous to them come to work me he heppw— ridiculous to them come to work me he heppw whth— ridiculous to them come to work and be happy with the job. hhew.— and be happy with the job. ohew. het-e— and be happy with the job. okay, that's not— and be happy with the job. okay, that's not even- and be happy with the job. okay, that's not even safe for the patient. so what we're trying to do here, and i believe that's what everyone is trying to achieve, come to to achieve, is come to a situation where there is sort situation where there is a sort of agreement between us nurses, the doctors and also the the junior doctors and also the government to feel like when you're going to work, you're safe . well, civil servants will safe. well, civil servants will be holding fresh strikes after the government announced a pay rise of between four and a half and 5% for them, the union's general secretary, though, described it as insulting and completely inadequate. so staff are going to be walking- rt.rt:rt :: so staff are going to be walking out rtu“ :: so staff are going to be walking out in may— are going to be walking out in thew ehe— are going to be walking out in hew ehe rehe— are going to be walking out in may and june across government tepertmeht. — may and june across government tepertmeht. rte— may and june across government department. it's even in areas the— department. it's even in areas thhe the— department. it's even in areas thhe the wet— department. it's even in areas like the met office , it's the us like the met office, it's the us preehteet— like the met office, it's the us preehteht. ree— like the met office, it's the us president, joe biden . biden has president, joe biden. biden has whhhh— president, joe biden. biden has whhhh the— president, joe biden. biden has within the last— president, joe biden. biden has within the last few minutes errhvet— within the last few minutes errhvet hh— within the last few minutes arrived in berlin where he will ehereee— arrived in berlin where he will etheee e— arrived in berlin where he will address a concert— arrived in berlin where he will address a concert at the eethetret— address a concert at the cathedral .— address a concert at the cathedral . he- address a concert at the cathedral . he will also meet cathedral. he will also meet theteht— cathedral. he will also meet distant relatives— cathedral. he will also meet distant relatives while in the eheh— distant relatives while in the hrheh tewh. — distant relatives while in the irish town. earlier biden vhehtet— irish town. earlier biden visited knock- irish town. earlier biden visited knock shrine county mayo as visited knock shrine county mayo ee pert— visited knock shrine county mayo ee pert et— visited knock shrine county mayo ee pert et hhe— visited knock shrine county mayo

as part of his final— visited knock shrine county mayo as part of his final day of engagements,— as part of his final day of engagements, where he had a eehehe— engagements, where he had a chance meeting— engagements, where he had a chance meeting at an irish ehehh— chance meeting at an irish church with— chance meeting at an irish church with the— chance meeting at an irish church with the priest who pertermet — church with the priest who performed the _ church with the priest who performed the last rites on his son:— performed the last rites on his son, beau . father— performed the last rites on his son, beau . father frank o'grady son, beau. father frank o'grady pertermet— son, beau. father frank o'grady pertermet the— son, beau. father frank o'grady performed the sacrament for beau hheee.— performed the sacrament for beau hhteh. whe— performed the sacrament for beau biden, who died— performed the sacrament for beau biden, who died of— performed the sacrament for beau biden, who died of brain cancer in biden, who died of brain cancer hh heh— biden, who died of brain cancer hh zhh. ht— biden, who died of brain cancer in 2015. it brings— biden, who died of brain cancer in 2015. it brings mr. biden's teet— in 2015. it brings mr. biden's teer eew— in 2015. it brings mr. biden's teer eew trhp— in 2015. it brings mr. biden's four day trip to— in 2015. it brings mr. biden's four day trip to ireland to a eteee— four day trip to ireland to a close which— four day trip to ireland to a close which the— four day trip to ireland to a close which the former taoiseach,— close which the former taoiseach, enda kenny has called the tehgeet— taoiseach, enda kenny has called the longest presidential visit vertee— the longest presidential visit te the — the longest presidential visit ever to the island . and finally ever to the island. and finally . tehe— ever to the island. and finally . tehe thet— ever to the island. and finally , take that, sir— ever to the island. and finally , take that, sir bryn terfel and hewe— , take that, sir bryn terfel and rrewe rhthhg— , take that, sir bryn terfel and freya riding are— , take that, sir bryn terfel and freya riding are the british ehhgere— freya riding are the british singers announced to perform at the hhhg-e— singers announced to perform at the king's coronation concert. atee— the king's coronation concert. atee. thehr— the king's coronation concert. also, their american stars , katy also, their american stars, katy herrw— also, their american stars, katy herrw ehe— also, their american stars, katy perry and lionel— also, their american stars, katy perry and lionel richie , as well perry and lionel richie, as well as perry and lionel richie, as well ee the— perry and lionel richie, as well as the italian— perry and lionel richie, as well as the italian tenor and andrea heeetth— as the italian tenor and andrea heeetth. hhe— as the italian tenor and andrea bocelli. the coronation choir mete— bocelli. the coronation choir mete ep— bocelli. the coronation choir mete ep et— bocelli. the coronation choir made up of community choirs and emeteer— made up of community choirs and emeteer ehhgere— made up of community choirs and amateur singers from across the uk amateur singers from across the eh whtt— amateur singers from across the eh whtt etee— amateur singers from across the uk will also perform, and the event— uk will also perform, and the event whtt— uk will also perform, and the event will be— uk will also perform, and the event will be held in the greehte— event will be held in the greehte et— event will be held in the grounds of windsor castle in heet— grounds of windsor castle in tent et— grounds of windsor castle in front of 20,000— grounds of windsor castle in front of 20,000 members of the pehthe— front of 20,000 members of the pehthe. ehe— front of 20,000 members of the public, and invited— front of 20,000 members of the public, and invited guests . public, and invited guests. heere— public, and invited guests. were ep— public, and invited guests. were ep te— public, and invited guests. you're up to date on tv, online . hehr— you're up to date on tv, online . hehr tethe— you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and— you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and on the tune in app-— , dab+ radio and on the tune in epp. rhhe— , dab+ radio and on the tune in epp. hhhe he—

, dab+ radio and on the tune in epp. hhhe he eh— , dab+ radio and on the tune in app. this is gb news back now to teeth— app. this is gb news back now to herh heteh— app. this is gb news back now to herh heteh .— mark dolan. i my- mark dolan. my thanks to polly middlehurst who's to who's back at 11. welcome to mark dolan tonight. would you be willing to separate your rubbish into seven different bins as proposed by the government? have you got time to do that? we'll be asking the queen of clean channel four's kim woodburn plus mark is the home mark dolan tonight is the home of the papers with tomorrow's front pages from 1030 and we'll be introducing a new feature towards the end of the show. big stories, big guests and always big opinions. let's start with my take . at ten. this story will my take. at ten. this story will have you spitting your beer out. the popular lager brand bud light , the perfect accompaniment light, the perfect accompaniment to long hot summer afternoons and your best friend at a boring

family barbecue has left a bad taste in the mouth of its customers. after employing the services of a biological male called dylan mulvaney, who plays at being a lady and identifies as female. she's been hired for as female. she's been hired for a massive advertising campaign. so who is dylan mulvaney? well think of david walliams. i'm a lady character from little britain, but without the sex appeal britain, but without the sex appeal, bud lights are now crying into their beer as sales of their iconic lager have collapsed faster than one of their customers when they've had too many. if you want to change your name and be he or she , then your name and be he or she, then good luck to you. i am mr. freedom. but don't insult actual women with the pathetic and insulting theatrics as demonstrated by mulvaney over the last few months as she plays at being a woman and therefore wildly trivialises them here she is in action . now. she's talking

is in action. now. she's talking about her product. of course, she's clad in lots of jewellery and tonnes of make up and it has rather sunk the value of their brand . there you go. a bit of brand. there you go. a bit of gymnastics brand. there you go. a bit of gwmheethee .— : gt:r a bit of gymnastics , sportswear, gymnastics, sportswear, hrhttheht— gymnastics, sportswear, brilliant stuff . gymnastics, sportswear,- brilliant stuff . she's also been brilliant stuff. she's also been messing around with a tampon, which apparently is hilarious. well, i'll tell her where she can put that tampon . women are can put that tampon. women are being cancelled . they're being being cancelled. they're being shut down. they're being erased. and with these sorts of antics , and with these sorts of antics, they're being laughed at as well . do you really think that wearing a pair of high heels or brandishing a tampon is what makes for a woman? when will this madness end? well, when corporations like budweiser feel the impact on their bottom line , in this case, to the tune of several billion dollars, because be clear by signing up to this, particularly bonkers strain of progressive politics, i.e. gender ideology, which says that

a man is a woman or a woman is a man, or claims there could be 100 genders. well, budweiser , 100 genders. well, budweiser, they're not trying to make the world a better place, us. they're making it a worse place for women. and they're for actual women. and they're masquerading as being inclusive lviv all whilst happily excluding half the population . excluding half the population. and women are now second class citizens , someone with a and citizens, someone with a and balls and sporting a 5:00 shadow, but wearing a dress enjoys a higher status in today's dystopian morally vacant world. most right thinking people push back on this crap , people push back on this crap, which is why they've stopped drinking bud lights and are sick of these company . drinking bud lights and are sick of these company. his drinking the woke kool—aid . meanwhile, the woke kool—aid. meanwhile, you've got that prize numpty . you've got that prize numpty. daniel radcliffe, star of harry potter, who would be flipping burgers at mcdonald's on a tenner an hour if it wasn't for j.k. rowling saying that children should be allowed to choose their gender. what a deeply irresponsible thing to say. the treatment of children around this trans madness raises

profound safeguarding issues and will, in time, i fear, amount to a jemmy savile situation times 100. as young children and teenagers are coaxed , teenagers are coaxed, brainwashed and cajoled into the idea that they were born in the wrong body and thus placed on a path of life changing medication , including puberty blockers , , including puberty blockers, drugs which literally stop the body going into puberty. does that end well? not to mention drastic operations, including a breast removal and sexual organ reassignment that could ultimately see them unable to have children? this is progress . or is it? to make matters worse, mulvaney is also the face of nike. the products that she sells. well, sports bras . that's sells. well, sports bras. that's right, folks. a by logical male, fully intact handed a massive contract to sell underwear to women . peak 2023. but there's women. peak 2023. but there's now a in the woke armour and thatis now a in the woke armour and that is the bud light story.

it's hopefully a turning point as this virtue signalling company will now have to chuck thousands of litres of their pissy beer down the drain and hopefully with it their divisive and damaging ideas, whether it's like bud light or anyone else for that matter. it's time to hit these corporations where it huns. hit these corporations where it hurts . us in hit these corporations where it hurts. us in the balls. that's assuming they've still got . some assuming they've still got. some let's get reaction now from one of the most successful corporate executives of her generation , executives of her generation, jennifer zahawi, a former national athletics champion who was one of the senior figures at levi's , was tipped to take over levi's, was tipped to take over as ceo of one of the most famous clothing brands in the world. what went wrong ? well, just what went wrong? well, just a few innocent tweets early in the pandemic questioning the need for school closures and the masking of children . masking of children. astonishingly, although her objections to covid measures were hardly controversial , this were hardly controversial, this sorry drama ended in jennifer's

departure from levi's . however, departure from levi's. however, it has led to a bestselling book, levi's unbuttoned the woke mob took my job, but gave me my voice. and having accumulated a huge social media following and a massive wave of support for the stand she's taken, jenny's for say has been calling out woke corporations ever since, and she joins me now. hi, jennifer . hey, mark. thanks for jennifer. hey, mark. thanks for having me . great to have you having me. great to have you back on the show. your reaction to the awarding of a promotion contract to dylan mulvey for bud lights . you know, it's lights. you know, it's misguided. clearly and the market has voted $5 billion market has voted $5 billion market cap decline in just about a week. and i think that the thhhg— a week. and i think that the thhhg he— a week. and i think that the thhhg he het— a week. and i think that the thing is bud light- and i think that the thing is bud light is this big treet— thing is bud light is this big broad reach— thing is bud light is this big broad reach brand. they need to hrhhg— broad reach brand. they need to hrhhg peepte— broad reach brand. they need to bring people together, people whh— bring people together, people with diverse _ bring people together, people with diverse views . they have to with diverse views. they have to egree— with diverse views. they have to egree eh— with diverse views. they have to egree eh the— with diverse views. they have to

agree on the beer.— with diverse views. they have to agree on the beer. they're going to agree on the beer. they're going te hrheh.— agree on the beer. they're going te trhhh. hhght— agree on the beer. they're going to drink. right. and it's a beer thet— to drink. right. and it's a beer thet hee— to drink. right. and it's a beer that has typically— to drink. right. and it's a beer that has typically been consumed by young— that has typically been consumed by young guys.— that has typically been consumed by young guys, their consumer hee— by young guys, their consumer hee egee— by young guys, their consumer hee egee eve— by young guys, their consumer has aged over the— by young guys, their consumer has aged over the years, and thew— has aged over the years, and thew heveh-t— has aged over the years, and they haven't brought new ones hhte— they haven't brought new ones the the— they haven't brought new ones into the fold.— they haven't brought new ones into the fold. but— they haven't brought new ones into the fold. but the way to hem— into the fold. but the way to hrhhg theee— into the fold. but the way to bring those young guys into the fett— bring those young guys into the tett he— bring those young guys into the tett he te— bring those young guys into the fold is to focus— bring those young guys into the fold is to focus on— bring those young guys into the fold is to focus on what made the— fold is to focus on what made the preht— fold is to focus on what made the brand great— fold is to focus on what made the brand great in the first pteee— the brand great in the first pteeeltemw- the brand great in the first place. funny humour. place. it's funny guy humour. hhete— place. it's funny guy humour. that's—liked- place. it's funny guy humour. i that's—liked about that's what people liked about it, that's what people liked about h. rhghte— that's what people liked about ht. rhghte-wet— that's what people liked about it, right? yet their head of it, right? and yet their head of merhethg— it, right? and yet their head of marketing, she— it, right? and yet their head of marketing, she was on a podcast teet— marketing, she was on a podcast reet hewe— marketing, she was on a podcast reet tewe eerere— marketing, she was on a podcast just days before the campaign teehehhhg— just days before the campaign teehehhhg .— just days before the campaign launching , speaking very launching, speaking very erhheettw— launching, speaking very critically and— launching, speaking very critically and dismissed about her— critically and dismissed about thehr eere— critically and dismissed about their core consumer calling them hettw— their core consumer calling them trettw ehe— their core consumer calling them trettw eht eet— their core consumer calling them fratty and out of— their core consumer calling them fratty and out of touch. well, if fratty and out of touch. well, ht wee— fratty and out of touch. well, ht wee heve— fratty and out of touch. well, if you have disdain for your consumer who— if you have disdain for your consumer who made the brand, whet— consumer who made the brand, whet h— consumer who made the brand, whet h he— consumer who made the brand, what it is you're— consumer who made the brand, what it is you're going to put terth— what it is you're going to put forth, marketing— what it is you're going to put forth, marketing that does not resonate. and— forth, marketing that does not resonate. and that's what we've eeeh-thh— resonate. and that's what we've seen.-this isn't— resonate. and that's what we've seen. this isn't influencer. seen. and this isn't influencer. hee— seen. and this isn't influencer. hee hhew.— seen. and this isn't influencer. hee hhew. h— seen. and this isn't influencer. you know, i led— seen. and this isn't influencer. you know, i led the brand you know, i led the levi's brand merhethhg— you know, i led the levi's brand merhethhglmehw— you know, i led the levi's brand marketing many years . i marketing for many years. i werhet— marketing for many years. i worked .tonnes- marketing for many years. i worked tonnes of celebs worked with tonnes of celebs and hhtteeheere— worked with tonnes of celebs and influencers.always_ influencers. i always wanted someone _knew- influencers. i always wanted someone knew that our someone that i knew that our tehe— someone that i knew that our tehe weett— someone that i knew that our fans would embrace, but also someone that— fans would embrace, but also someone that loved the product , someone that loved the product, rhghte— someone that loved the product, rhghte hhet— someone that loved the product, right? that wore _ someone that loved the product, right? that wore our product and heveh— right? that wore our product and tevet h— right? that wore our product and tevet h ehe— right? that wore our product and loved it and could— right? that wore our product and loved it and could speak about it. loved it and could speak about he aethehthe— loved it and could speak about it. authentic albie i'm pretty hwteh— it. authentic albie i'm pretty sure dylan does— it. authentic albie i'm pretty sure dylan does not drink bud

hhght— sure dylan does not drink bud hhght. ehe— sure dylan does not drink bud hhght. eht rm— sure dylan does not drink bud light, and i'm pretty sure dylan heee— light, and i'm pretty sure dylan teee het— light, and i'm pretty sure dylan teee het eee— light, and i'm pretty sure dylan does not use tampax . so these does not use tampax. so these are does not use tampax. so these teet— does not use tampax. so these teet het— does not use tampax. so these are just bad choices . like are just bad choices. like a emetter— are just bad choices. like a smaller brand— are just bad choices. like a smaller brand could do it. they he— smaller brand could do it. they can be more provocative and they can be more provocative and they weee— can be more provocative and they wete hhte— can be more provocative and they can wade into these— can be more provocative and they can wade into these issues. they tee-t— can wade into these issues. they teh-t heve— can wade into these issues. they teh-t heve te— can wade into these issues. they don't have to appeal to as many peepte.— don't have to appeal to as many peepte. het— don't have to appeal to as many peepte. pet the— don't have to appeal to as many people, but it's just— don't have to appeal to as many people, but it's just such a eteeehe— people, but it's just such a classic case— people, but it's just such a classic case of— people, but it's just such a classic case of not knowing your consumer and not— classic case of not knowing your consumer and not knowing your preht— consumer and not knowing your hreht—hteetegwl brand and inserting ideology tether— brand and inserting ideology tether thee— brand and inserting ideology rather than good old product merhethhg— rather than good old product merhethhg . — rather than good old product marketing . .jr�*~trt;ujt“ rather than good old product marketing. ju marketing. meanwhile, dylan mulvaney , who is a biological mulvaney, who is a biological male , fully intact, that male, fully intact, that identifies as female, has been selling sports bras, even though she has no breasts . again, your she has no breasts. again, your reaction to that as a former athlete and dare i say it as a woman ? look, i think nike has a woman? look, i think nike has a tehg— woman? look, i think nike has a tehg hheterw— woman? look, i think nike has a tehg hheterw et— woman? look, i think nike has a long history of not— 7 look, i think nike has a long history of not necessarily heethhg— long history of not necessarily treating their— long history of not necessarily treating their female endorsers wett— treating their female endorsers wett. vee— treating their female endorsers well. you know,— treating their female endorsers well. you know, they are known for well. you know, they are known her het— well. you know, they are known her pet hevhhg— well. you know, they are known for not having paid a pregnant heeh— for not having paid a pregnant treeh etee— for not having paid a pregnant track star. um,— for not having paid a pregnant track star. um, and now their hhrhhg— track star. um, and now their hiring biological— track star. um, and now their hiring biological men to tout women's products. a trans woman whe— women's products. a trans woman whe teem-t.— women's products. a trans woman whe teeeh-t. hh— women's products. a trans woman who doesn't, in fact— women's products. a trans woman who doesn't, in fact ,— women's products. a trans woman who doesn't, in fact , have boobs who doesn't, in fact, have boobs or who doesn't, in fact, have boobs er hreeete— who doesn't, in fact, have boobs er hreeete .— who doesn't, in fact, have boobs er hreeete . ee— who doesn't, in fact, have boobs or breasts , as you— who doesn't, in fact, have boobs or breasts , as you said, which or breasts, as you said, which mhght— or breasts, as you said, which mhght he— or breasts, as you said, which mhght he mere—

or breasts, as you said, which might be more appropriate . how might be more appropriate. how is might be more appropriate. how he the— might be more appropriate. how he thhe gehhg— might be more appropriate. how he thhe gehhg te— might be more appropriate. how is this going to resonate with her— is this going to resonate with their consumer— is this going to resonate with their consumer base? it just teeeh-t— their consumer base? it just doesn't make— their consumer base? it just doesn't make any sense. but it's whet— doesn't make any sense. but it's whet heppehe— doesn't make any sense. but it's what happens when you're in such an what happens when you're in such eh hteetegheet— what happens when you're in such an ideological bubble and you tee-t— an ideological bubble and you teh-t hhew— an ideological bubble and you don't know people that think any thherehttw— don't know people that think any thherehttw-wee— don't know people that think any differently-you do.- don't know people that think any differently you do. it's differently than you do. it's the— differently than you do. it's thhe thew— differently than you do. it's like they don't— differently than you do. it's like they don't even realise thet— like they don't even realise thet h-e— like they don't even realise that it's controversial. they're so committed _ that it's controversial. they're so committed to— that it's controversial. they're so committed to how right this is so committed to how right this he thet— so committed to how right this he thet thew— so committed to how right this is that they don't— so committed to how right this is that they don't realise how ethehethhg— is that they don't realise how ethehethhg h— is that they don't realise how alienating it is.— is that they don't realise how alienating it is. is the backlash— alienating it is. is the backlash in- alienating it is. is the backlash in regards to nike and het— backlash in regards to nike and het hhght— backlash in regards to nike and het thght he— backlash in regards to nike and bud light is this— backlash in regards to nike and bud light is this is this eemethhhg— bud light is this is this something that is a turning pehhte— something that is a turning pehhte — something that is a turning pehhte he— something that is a turning pehhte he wee— something that is a turning point? th:r j“ point? do you think, jennifer in the war on woke you know what i think it is. i think that the het— think it is. i think that the het thght— think it is. i think that the bud light ceo— c i think that the bud light ceo sorry , the bud light ceo sorry, the anheuser—busch ceo just made a etetemeht— anheuser—busch ceo just made a statement before— anheuser—busch ceo just made a statement before we before i got on statement before we before i got eh here. — statement before we before i got eh here. ahe— statement before we before i got on here. and it's— statement before we before i got on here. and it's something to the— on here. and it's something to the effect— on here. and it's something to the effect of,— on here. and it's something to the effect of, you _ on here. and it's something to the effect of, you know, as a big— the effect of, you know, as a hhg preht— the effect of, you know, as a big brand beloved brand leading ehere— big brand beloved brand leading share, we seek— big brand beloved brand leading share, we seek to— big brand beloved brand leading share, we seek to bring people tegether— share, we seek to bring people tegether .— share, we seek to bring people together . well,— share, we seek to bring people together . well, that's the together. well, that's the eppeehte — together. well, that's the eppeehte et— together. well, that's the opposite of what they just did, hhghte— opposite of what they just did, hhghte he.— opposite of what they just did, hhghte se. wee— opposite of what they just did, right? so, you know, i think he-e— right? so, you know, i think he eehthhg— right? so, you know, i think he's sending a— right? so, you know, i think he's sending a strong signal the— he's sending a strong signal across the bow— he's sending a strong signal across the bow that they're going— across the bow that they're gehhg te — across the bow that they're gehhg te teeh— across the bow that they're going to look to- across the bow that they're going to look to do more merhethhg— going to look to do more marketing that unites people. hhete— marketing that unites people. hhet-e-temw- marketing that unites people. that's-funnyiit'sl that's fun and funny as it's etwewe— that's fun and funny as it's etwewe heeh—

that's fun and funny as it's etwewe heeh .— that's fun and funny as it's always been , and probably try to always been, and probably try to heeve— always been, and probably try to leave some of— always been, and probably try to leave some of this— always been, and probably try to leave some of this ideological eteh— leave some of this ideological etett eet— leave some of this ideological etett eet et— leave some of this ideological stuff out of the— leave some of this ideological stuff out of the mix going terwert— stuff out of the mix going terwert .— stuff out of the mix going forward . and— stuff out of the mix going forward . and i— stuff out of the mix going forward . and i can assure you forward. and i can assure you a lot forward. and i can assure you a tet et— forward. and i can assure you a tet et prehte— forward. and i can assure you a lot of brands are— forward. and i can assure you a lot of brands are going to think twhee— lot of brands are going to think twhee eheet— lot of brands are going to think twice about about— lot of brands are going to think twice about about this. and what i twice about about this. and what h reettw— twice about about this. and what r reettw hepe— twice about about this. and what r reettw hepe he— twice about about this. and what i really hope is we— twice about about this. and what i really hope is we get back to heeheee— i really hope is we get back to business, normalcy , capitalism, business, normalcy, capitalism, as business, normalcy, capitalism, ee h— business, normalcy, capitalism, ee h eeth— business, normalcy, capitalism, ee h eett h— business, normalcy, capitalism, ee h eett h h— business, normalcy, capitalism, as i call it in-book- business, normalcy, capitalism, as i call it in book market, as i call it in my book market, the— as i call it in my book market, the preteete— as i call it in my book market, the products drive— as i call it in my book market, the products drive for product eetehet. — the products drive for product. excellence. _consumer excellence. treat your consumer whth — excellence. treat your consumer whh-eht— excellence. treat your consumer whh-eht het-e- excellence. treat your consumer with and let's move on. with respect and let's move on. heheee.— with respect and let's move on. heheee. teet— with respect and let's move on. indeed, last but— with respect and let's move on. indeed, last but not— with respect and let's move on. indeed, last but not least- with respect and let's move on. indeed, last but not least ,- with respect and let's move on. indeed, last but not least , the indeed, last but not least, the beginning of a change. yeah, last but not least, zrrtig “g tg yeah, last but not least, jennifer , last but not least, jennifer, heee— last but not least, jennifer, teee thhe— last but not least, jennifer, does this story— last but not least, jennifer, does this story demonstrate how out does this story demonstrate how eet et— does this story demonstrate how eet et teeeh— does this story demonstrate how out of touch these— does this story demonstrate how out of touch these corporations are out of touch these corporations whh— out of touch these corporations are with mainstream public ephhheh— are with mainstream public ephhheh ehe— are with mainstream public opinion and perhaps this issue mhrreret— opinion and perhaps this issue mhrreret hh— opinion and perhaps this issue mirrored in the— opinion and perhaps this issue mirrored in the media at the top tevete— mirrored in the media at the top tevete et— mirrored in the media at the top levels of government , mirrored in the media at the top levels of government, public institutions,— levels of government, public institutions, universities , you institutions, universities, you h— institutions, universities, you h e— institutions, universities, you name it ? yeah,— institutions, universities, you name it ? yeah, they're name it? yeah, they're absolutely— name it? yeah, they're absolutely in- name it? yeah, they're absolutely in an elite bubble. the— absolutely in an elite bubble. thhe ht— absolutely in an elite bubble. thhe ht wee— absolutely in an elite bubble. like if you look— absolutely in an elite bubble. like if you look at the vp of merhethhg— like if you look at the vp of marketing, you— like if you look at the vp of marketing, you know, resume, whheh— marketing, you know, resume, whheh he.— marketing, you know, resume, whheh he. wee— marketing, you know, resume, which is, you know, a very high pethgree— which is, you know, a very high pedigree, harvard— which is, you know, a very high pedigree, harvard and wharton heeheee— pedigree, harvard and wharton business school— pedigree, harvard and wharton business school ,— pedigree, harvard and wharton business school , you can be very business school, you can be very eertehh— business school, you can be very eertehh ehe— business school, you can be very eertehh eht hh— business school, you can be very certain and in her— business school, you can be very certain and in her that she prehehtw— certain and in her that she probably doesn't bud light probably doesn't drink bud light her—thhh- probably doesn't drink bud light her—hrheh h.- probably doesn't drink bud light her—drink it. they. her friends don't drink it. they thhh— her friends don't drink it. they trhhh ereh— her friends don't drink it. they drink craft-and- her friends don't drink it. they drink craft and fancy drink craft beers and fancy eeehtehte— drink craft beers and fancy eeehtehte .— drink craft beers and fancy cocktails . and— drink craft beers and fancy

cocktails . and she believes that cocktails. and she believes that her hteet— cocktails. and she believes that her ideal energy— cocktails. and she believes that her ideal energy is— cocktails. and she believes that her ideal energy is what everwhetw— her ideal energy is what everybody believes and anyone whe— everybody believes and anyone whe teeeh-t— everybody believes and anyone who doesn't is— everybody believes and anyone who doesn't is like some kook, rhghte— who doesn't is like some kook, rhghte seme— who doesn't is like some kook, right? some lunatic, bigot, hhget.— right? some lunatic, bigot, hhget. hhete— right? some lunatic, bigot, bigot. that's just not the case. heeh— bigot. that's just not the case. veeh ahe— bigot. that's just not the case. veeh aht ee— bigot. that's just not the case. yeah and so, you— bigot. that's just not the case. yeah and so, you know, she was ehew— yeah and so, you know, she was ehew .— yeah and so, you know, she was ehew . hhew— yeah and so, you know, she was okay . they perhaps alienating okay. they perhaps alienating theee— okay. they perhaps alienating theee tethe— okay. they perhaps alienating those folks because they're bad peepte— those folks because they're bad peepte ehe— those folks because they're bad peepte me we— those folks because they're bad people and we don't need them. wett— people and we don't need them. wett. wee— people and we don't need them. wett. wee hhew— people and we don't need them. well, you know what? that's a reettw— well, you know what? that's a reettw het— well, you know what? that's a really bad commercial approach. you really bad commercial approach. hee weht— really bad commercial approach. hee weht te— really bad commercial approach. you want to keep— really bad commercial approach. you want to keep the fans. you heve— you want to keep the fans. you heve ehe— you want to keep the fans. you have and build— you want to keep the fans. you have and build on— you want to keep the fans. you have and build on that to gain ahe— have and build on that to gain more. and that's— have and build on that to gain more. and that's that's not what heppeeet— more. and that's that's not what heppehet. se— more. and that's that's not what heppehet. se h— more. and that's that's not what happened. so i think they need a eeet.— happened. so i think they need a reeet. h— happened. so i think they need a reeet. hthhhh— happened. so i think they need a reset. i think the— happened. so i think they need a reset. i think the ceo has etrehgtw— reset. i think the ceo has strongly _that'sl reset. i think the ceo has- strongly _that's what strongly signalled that's what thew-re— strongly signalled that's what thew-re-te. - strongly signalled that's what they're-do. and- strongly signalled that's what they're-do. and i- strongly signalled that's what they're do. and i do they're going to do. and i do thhh— they're going to do. and i do thhhh hhg— they're going to do. and i do think big brands, big broad eeeh— think big brands, big broad reach brands— think big brands, big broad reach brands like this are going to reach brands like this are going te thhh— reach brands like this are going to think twice— reach brands like this are going to think twice and— reach brands like this are going to think twice and are going to reettw— to think twice and are going to reettw ehhve— to think twice and are going to really strive to _ to think twice and are going to really strive to get back to the heehee— really strive to get back to the heehee ehe— really strive to get back to the basics and get— really strive to get back to the basics and get back to business ehe— basics and get back to business eht teeee— basics and get back to business eht teeee eh— basics and get back to business and focus on product again with, you and focus on product again with, wee hhew.— and focus on product again with, you know, uplifting campaigns thet— you know, uplifting campaigns thet ehgege— you know, uplifting campaigns thet ehgege e— you know, uplifting campaigns that engage a lot of people. whet— that engage a lot of people. whet thew— that engage a lot of people. what they need— that engage a lot of people. what they need to do is hire remhter— what they need to do is hire remhter .— what they need to do is hire remhter . eew.— what they need to do is hire jennifer , say, but let's be jennifer, say, but let's be heheee— jennifer, say, but let's be heheet. h— jennifer, say, but let's be honest, i don't- jennifer, say, but let's be honest, i don't think they can ehere— honest, i don't think they can ehert wee. — honest, i don't think they can afford you. yeah,— honest, i don't think they can afford you. yeah, they're still eeereg— afford you. yeah, they're still eeeret et— afford you. yeah, they're still scared of me,— afford you. yeah, they're still scared of me, so— afford you. yeah, they're still scared of me, so i- afford you. yeah, they're still scared of me, so i don't think thew— scared of me, so i don't think thew weht— scared of me, so i don't think thew weht me— scared of me, so i don't think they want me yet. _ scared of me, so i don't think they want me yet. you know, they

tee-t— they want me yet. you know, they teh-t teve— they want me yet. you know, they don't love people— they want me yet. you know, they don't love people who speak thehr— don't love people who speak thehr mhht— don't love people who speak their mind and— don't love people who speak their mind and talk from their mind and don't talk from a eerhpt. — their mind and don't talk from a eerhpt. se— their mind and don't talk from a eerhpt. se wett— their mind and don't talk from a script. so we'll see— their mind and don't talk from a script. so we'll see what heppehe. — script. so we'll see what happens. and- script. so we'll see what happens. “r: script. so we'll see what happens. '“r: script. so we'll see what- happens. and that's at the heart of problem. jennifer, of the problem. jennifer, congratulate book. congratulate us on the book. it's now. unbuttoned it's out now. levi's unbuttoned at jennifer say thank you. at jennifer. say thank you. we'll catch up soon. you're watching tonight. watching mark dolan tonight. we got papers exactly 1030 got the papers at exactly 1030 sharp. but next, tv star kim woodburn . would you be willing woodburn. would you be willing to separate your rubbish into seven that's seven different bins? that's what government want. what the government want. we'll discuss .

next well, a brilliant email from malcolm corporations shall learn the error of their ways via the customer spending elsewhere. malcolm, thank you for that . we malcolm, thank you for that. we know that it's going go broke, don't we? we have that from jenny who says, hi, mark. it is simple. go go broke and we must make sure it does . there you go. make sure it does. there you go. well, look, we'll get to more of your emails shortly . what's

your emails shortly. what's richard got to say? mark these companies are starting to realise that woke does indeed make you broke beyond the hipster coffee sipping elite . hipster coffee sipping elite. there is the real world of common sense that votes with their wallets . yes, there you their wallets. yes, there you go. well, this show is all about harnessing people power , so harnessing people power, so let's not waste it, shall we? lots more to get through. don't forget the papers at exactly 1030. sharp. sharp. but next up, it's 1030. sharp. sharp. but next up, wsfime 1030. sharp. sharp. but next up, it's time for the newsmaker in which we tackle a big story of the day in the company of a fearless commentator. tonight recycling plans that could see every household with seven bins to sort through are reportedly being delayed until after the local elections as the strategy sees a backlash from voters. well, there's a surprise . would well, there's a surprise. would you be willing to separate your rubbish into seven separate bins every week? let's ask the queen of clean herself. media personality and star of channel four's how clean is your house? kim woodburn. hi kim. hi how are

you? i'm very well now . kim you? i'm very well now. kim woodburn. how many bins do you have currently ? well, we've got have currently? well, we've got three currently. we've got the gertehhhg— three currently. we've got the gertehhhg the.— three currently. we've got the gardening bin, we've- “trt:rt; rt ”rt; we've got the gardening bin, we've got the paper— gardening bin, we've got the peper thh— gardening bin, we've got the peper thh ehe— gardening bin, we've got the paper tin and glass bin and get— paper tin and glass bin and get the— paper tin and glass bin and we've got the food bin . my we've got the food bin. my tevetw. — we've got the food bin. my tevetw. hee-t— we've got the food bin. my lovely. isn't that enough. i mean, how can— lovely. isn't that enough. i mean, how can we cope with whet— mean, how can we cope with seven. what about these poor eeete— seven. what about these poor eeete thet— seven. what about these poor souls that live _ seven. what about these poor souls that live in— seven. what about these poor souls that live in a little terreeet— souls that live in a little terraced house - souls that live in a little terraced house that you walk in hem— terraced house that you walk in hem the— terraced house that you walk in from the street— terraced house that you walk in from the street ?_ terraced house that you walk in from the street ? they're going from the street? they're going to from the street? they're going te he— from the street? they're going te he eth— from the street? they're going to be all out.— from the street? they're going to be all out. they're going to be to be all out. they're going to heithhhhg— to be all out. they're going to beitjang-youi be all lining the road. you went— be all lining the road. you weh-tlehte— be all lining the road. you won't able walk on the won't be able to walk on the pevemeht.— won't be able to walk on the pavement, dear.— won't be able to walk on the pavement, dear. it's utterly thegeethpg— pavement, dear. it's utterly disgusting. councils don't disgusting. the councils don't went—thel want to do anything for the mehew. — want to do anything for the mehew. wew.— want to do anything for the money. now, people pay money. now, most people pay a teet— money. now, most people pay a teet et— money. now, most people pay a teet et mehew— money. now, most people pay a load of money on— money. now, most people pay a load of money on their council tee.— load of money on their council tee-whet— load of money on their council tee-whet ee— load of money on their council tax.-what are they- load of money on their council tax. what are they doing for tax. and what are they doing for it? tax. and what are they doing for he-et— tax. and what are they doing for he-et mw— tax. and what are they doing for it?-of my window.- tax. and what are they doing for it? of my window. the it? i look out of my window. the greee— it? i look out of my window. the greee verge— it? i look out of my window. the greee verge hee— it? i look out of my window. the grass verge has got— it? i look out of my window. the grass verge has got no grass is hett— grass verge has got no grass is hett eerth— grass verge has got no grass is bald earth where— grass verge has got no grass is bald earth where they won't come and bald earth where they won't come eht heet— bald earth where they won't come and treat them.— bald earth where they won't come and treat them. i've— bald earth where they won't come and treat them. i've got seven teet— and treat them. i've got seven feet et— and treat them. i've got seven foot of weeds— and treat them. i've got seven foot of weeds in— and treat them. i've got seven foot of weeds in all the gettere. — foot of weeds in all the gutters. i've— foot of weeds in all the gutters. i've got the bollards at gutters. i've got the bollards et-et— gutters. i've got the bollards et-et the— gutters. i've got the bollards at-of the road- gutters. i've got the bollards at of the road broken at the end of the road broken eewh—teri at the end of the road broken. eeeh—fer eh down. haven't been fixed for six meethe— down. haven't been fixed for six months-whole— down. haven't been fixed for six months. whole place is months. the whole place is thegeethpg— months. the whole place is disgusting. and— months. the whole place is disgusting. and now they want to mehe— disgusting. and now they want to make more money— disgusting. and now they want to make more money off us by as we do make more money off us by as we te thet— make more money off us by as we te het-ter— make more money off us by as we do that-for them.— make more money off us by as we do that for them. where is do that work for them. where is it do that work for them. where is ht gehhg— do that work for them. where is ht gehhg te— do that work for them. where is ht gehhg te etept— do that work for them. where is

it going to stop? indeed h '“r: it going to stop? indeed > and you— it going to stop? indeed > and wee hhew— it going to stop? indeed > and wee hhew hew— it going to stop? indeed > and you know how kim,— it going to stop? indeed > and you know how kim, you know you know how lazy people can be. half the public won't bother with this, will they? well of course, know they won't . course, you know they won't. but look at a young mother with a but look at a young mother with e eeepte— but look at a young mother with e eeepte et— but look at a young mother with a couple of babies— but look at a young mother with a couple of babies hubbies out at a couple of babies hubbies out et werh— a couple of babies hubbies out et werh. hew— a couple of babies hubbies out at work. how is— a couple of babies hubbies out at work. how is she going to heg— at work. how is she going to treg eeve— at work. how is she going to drag seven bins— at work. how is she going to drag seven bins and where she go for drag seven bins and where she go ter the— drag seven bins and where she go ter the whete— drag seven bins and where she go for the whole thing— drag seven bins and where she go for the whole thing is impractical. - for the whole thing is impractical. the whole for the whole thing is— impractical. .the whole thing impractical. and the whole thing is impractical. and the whole thing he—eeeheht— impractical. and the whole thing is_council off- impractical. and the whole thing is_council off from i is letting the council off from werhhhg— is letting the council off from werhhhg .— is letting the council off from werhhhg . hhew— is letting the council off from working . they won't. as i say, working. they won't. as i say, if working. they won't. as i say, ht wee— working. they won't. as i say, ht wee heeh— working. they won't. as i say, ht wee teeh et— working. they won't. as i say, if you look at condition of if you look at the condition of our-our parks,- if you look at the condition of our-our parks, our- if you look at the condition of our our parks, our weeds, our roads, our parks, our weeds, . thew— our roads, our parks, our weeds, now , now they want us to do the now, now they want us to do the teethhh— now, now they want us to do the teethhh werh— now, now they want us to do the dustbin work for— now, now they want us to do the dustbin work for them. it's wrehg— dustbin work for them. it's wrehg .— dustbin work for them. it's wrehg . mw— dustbin work for them. it's wrong , my love. and i'm going to wrong, my love. and i'm going to tell wrong, my love. and i'm going to tett wee— wrong, my love. and i'm going to tell you something— wrong, my love. and i'm going to tell you something i know tell you something and i know we've-troubled— tell you something and i know we've troubled times. i we've got troubled times. i tee-t— we've got troubled times. i tent-te— we've got troubled times. i don't-to make- we've got troubled times. i. don't-to make-more. we've got troubled times. i- don't-to make-more. i'm don't want to make any more. i'm wett— don't want to make any more. i'm wet-het— don't want to make any more. i'm wett-het wee— don't want to make any more. i'm well-but you know- don't want to make any more. i'm well but you know what well aware. but you know what weveeh-t h- well aware. but you know what we've-and i hope. well aware. but you know what we've and i hope you we've got to do, and i hope you eppreve— we've got to do, and i hope you eppreve. we— we've got to do, and i hope you approve. we have— we've got to do, and i hope you approve. we have got to cancel paying— approve. we have got to cancel pewhhg eer— approve. we have got to cancel paying our council— approve. we have got to cancel paying our council tax. it's the entw— paying our council tax. it's the ehtw wew— paying our council tax. it's the ehtw wew the— paying our council tax. it's the only way the council is going to do only way the council is going to te eemethhhg— only way the council is going to te eemethhhg .— only way the council is going to do something . we— only way the council is going to do something . we never do it. so do something. we never do it. so got do something. we never do it. so get eer— do something. we never do it. so got our accounts— do something. we never do it. so got our accounts up— do something. we never do it. so got our accounts up paid month eher— got our accounts up paid month etter mehth— got our accounts up paid month after month out— got our accounts up paid month after month out of— got our accounts up paid month after month out of our banks. so etep— after month out of our banks. so etep pewhhg— after month out of our banks. so stop paying it-_ after month out of our banks. so stop paying it. council the tethere— stop paying it. council the bankers order— stop paying it. council the bankers order and you tell them thew— bankers order and you tell them thew emet— bankers order and you tell them thew emet te— bankers order and you tell them they cannot do this to us.

rethe. — they cannot do this to us. folks. brave _ they cannot do this to us. folks. brave up- they cannot do this to us. folks. brave up because next weer— folks. brave up because next weer hht— folks. brave up because next weer h-tt he— folks. brave up because next year it'll be ten— folks. brave up because next year it'll be ten bins. i'm werhhhg— year it'll be ten bins. i'm wemhhg wee. — year it'll be ten bins. i'm warning you. i- year it'll be ten bins. i'm warning you. i don't do it. so were— warning you. i don't do it. so you're suggesting we should eeteet— you're suggesting we should teteht eth— you're suggesting we should defund all our— you're suggesting we should defund all our local authority , defund all our local authority, het— defund all our local authority, het thew-re— defund all our local authority, but they're fleecing us blind, my but they're fleecing us blind, mw teve— but they're fleecing us blind, mw teve. wett— but they're fleecing us blind, my love. well, what are you paying— my love. well, what are you pewhhg theme— my love. well, what are you paying them? money when you pay weer— paying them? money when you pay weer eeeheht— paying them? money when you pay your council taxes?— paying them? money when you pay your council taxes? tell you we whtt— your council taxes? tell you we whtt te— your council taxes? tell you we whtt he the— your council taxes? tell you we will do the rows,— your council taxes? tell you we will do the rows, we will fill the— will do the rows, we will fill the pethetee— will do the rows, we will fill the potholes. we— will do the rows, we will fill the potholes. we will see that the potholes. we will see that the ehghe— the potholes. we will see that the ehghe eh— the potholes. we will see that the signs on the— the potholes. we will see that the signs on the road are clean. we the signs on the road are clean. we whtt— the signs on the road are clean. we whtt eee— the signs on the road are clean. we will see the— the signs on the road are clean. we will see the drains haven't got we will see the drains haven't get phehe— we will see the drains haven't get ptehte. my— we will see the drains haven't got plants. my my plant drains got plants. my my plant drains get e— got plants. my my plant drains get e pteht— got plants. my my plant drains got a plant growing out of it. het— got a plant growing out of it. het-pert— got a plant growing out of it. but-partlwhat- got a plant growing out of it. but part what we pay but that's part of what we pay eeeheht— but that's part of what we pay eeeheht-hew— but that's part of what we pay council-now the- but that's part of what we pay council now the suggesting council tax now the suggesting if council tax now the suggesting htieeh— council tax now the suggesting htieeh eteee— council tax now the suggesting if.can close down- council tax now the suggesting if can close down some if we can close down some reewete— if we can close down some recycle centres— if we can close down some recycle centres where we have them — recycle centres where we have them .eehvewer- recycle centres where we have them conveyor belt sorting them on a conveyor belt sorting but them on a conveyor belt sorting het-eeveh— them on a conveyor belt sorting but-seven bins,- but you have seven bins, we eheee— but you have seven bins, we eteee thet— but you have seven bins, we close that down— but you have seven bins, we close that down to save us mehew. — close that down to save us mehew. hhew— close that down to save us money. they don't do the job ehwwew. — money. they don't do the job ehwwew. whw— money. they don't do the job ehwwew. whw ee— money. they don't do the job anyway. why are we paying all the— anyway. why are we paying all thhe mehew— anyway. why are we paying all this money, folks? i'm sorry. hht— this money, folks? i'm sorry. h-tt-h-m— this money, folks? i'm sorry. h-tt-h-m eerrw- this money, folks? i'm sorry. i'll i'm sorry, mark, i'll say it. i'm sorry, mark, het— i'll say it. i'm sorry, mark, het the— i'll say it. i'm sorry, mark, but the .thing- i'll say it. i'm sorry, mark, but the thing they're going but the only thing they're going to but the only thing they're going te-te— but the only thing they're going te-telwheh— but the only thing they're going to _to .when-stop. to listen to is when you stop her— to listen to is when you stop thehr mehew— to listen to is when you stop their money. if— to listen to is when you stop their money. if we all did the eheee— their money. if we all did the same street, what are they going to same street, what are they going te te— same street, what are they going te te te— same street, what are they going te te te eee— same street, what are they going to do to us? look,— same street, what are they going to do to us? look, lovely. stop the— to do to us? look, lovely. stop the mehew— to do to us? look, lovely. stop the mehew. hhew— to do to us? look, lovely. stop the money. they have got to thee — the money. they have got to listen. when _ the money. they have got to listen. when you— the money. they have got to listen. when you hit their peehet— listen. when you hit their peehet. wew— listen. when you hit their pocket. now it's truly what i'm

going— pocket. now it's truly what i'm gehhg te— pocket. now it's truly what i'm gehhg te etep— pocket. now it's truly what i'm gehhg te etep h.— pocket. now it's truly what i'm going to stop it. yeah, you'll see-arrested. _ going to stop it. yeah, you'll see-arrested. but- going to stop it. yeah, you'll see arrested. but i don't see me arrested. but i don't care. i've had— see me arrested. but i don't care. i've had enough . do you care. i've had enough. do you hhew— care. i've had enough. do you hhew h— care. i've had enough. do you hhew h ge— care. i've had enough. do you hhew r ge eet— care. i've had enough. do you know i go out and— care. i've had enough. do you know i go out and clean my eheet— know i go out and clean my etreet ehghe— know i go out and clean my street sign? do— know i go out and clean my street sign? do you know i was whether— street sign? do you know i was whhettet ep— street sign? do you know i was whhettet ep by— street sign? do you know i was whistled up by a— street sign? do you know i was whistled up by a lorry driver the— whistled up by a lorry driver the ether— whistled up by a lorry driver the other morning? street the other morning? my street ehge— the other morning? my street ehgh—he- the other morning? my street ehgh—he htthw.| sign on the corner is filthy. heve— sign on the corner is filthy. heve heeh— sign on the corner is filthy. have been quite a posh house, you— have been quite a posh house, wee hhew— have been quite a posh house, wee hhew mw— have been quite a posh house, you know my street signs filthy. i you know my street signs filthy. h went— you know my street signs filthy. h weht eet— you know my street signs filthy. i went out with— you know my street signs filthy. i went out with a— you know my street signs filthy. i went out with a bucket of weter— i went out with a bucket of weter hh— i went out with a bucket of water in soap— i went out with a bucket of water in soap and i was washing the eheet— water in soap and i was washing the street-some- water in soap and i was washing the street-some of- water in soap and i was washing the street some of the the street sign and some of the hemeelterrw— the street sign and some of the names lorry drivers called me names as lorry drivers called me ehe— names as lorry drivers called me me the— names as lorry drivers called me and the whistles. _ names as lorry drivers called me and the whistles. well, i quite eer-ewee— and the whistles. well, i quite enjoyed . actually. _ and the whistles. well, i quite enjoyed actually. why am enjoyed it actually. why am i weehhhg—hei enjoyed it actually. why am i. weehhhg—he wee washing the road sign? do you see washing the road sign? do you whet— washing the road sign? do you whet hh— washing the road sign? do you see what it's come— washing the road sign? do you see what it's come to, folks? don't give it to them. stop ehep. — don't give it to them. stop ehep. eewhhg— don't give it to them. stop shop. paying your council tax. step— shop. paying your council tax. step — shop. paying your council tax. step ohew.— shop. paying your council tax. step ohew. wew.— shop. paying your council tax. stop okay. now, of- shop. paying your council tax. stop \rrt:rwt rtu. shop. paying your council tax. stop \rt:rwt t stop okay. now, of course, you know kim, i'm a very well know, kim, that i'm a very well behaved i'm law behaved boy. i'm very law abiding , and behaved boy. i'm very law abiding, and i could never encourage my viewers or listeners not to pay any of their taxes. it's the law. but you're entitled to your view. plenty will be nodding away as they listen to this. as an expert on keeping the house clean, what items should we be separating ? what would be the separating? what would be the perfect solution? do you think? well, i think they've got enough now. we separate our bottles. we

eeperete— now. we separate our bottles. we eeperete eer— we separate our bottles. we separate our newspapers . we saw separate our newspapers. we saw our separate our newspapers. we saw gertehhhg. — separate our newspapers. we saw gertehhhg. ht— separate our newspapers. we saw our gardening. of course . i our gardening. of course. i mean, you know, gardening. we eeperete— mean, you know, gardening. we eeperete eth— mean, you know, gardening. we separate all that— mean, you know, gardening. we separate all that and we eeperete— separate all that and we separate our— separate all that and we separate our cardboard and that. hee-t— separate our cardboard and that. heh-t wee— separate our cardboard and that. heh-t wee thhh— separate our cardboard and that. don't you think ?_ separate our cardboard and that. don't you think ? look, we can't don't you think? look, we can't be responsible— don't you think? look, we can't be responsible each household for be responsible each household ter tehg— be responsible each household ter tehhg the— be responsible each household for doing the council's job for them. — for doing the council's job for them. ahe— for doing the council's job for them. and that's— for doing the council's job for them. and that's what they want. ahe— them. and that's what they want. and wee— them. and that's what they want. aht wee hhew— them. and that's what they want. and you know it.— them. and that's what they want. and you know it. you cannot have seven dustbins_ and you know it. you cannot have seven dustbins as— and you know it. you cannot have seven dustbins as my love. we eeetth-t— seven dustbins as my love. we eeetth-t eepe— seven dustbins as my love. we couldn't cope with— seven dustbins as my love. we couldn't cope with it . and couldn't cope with it. and eepeehettw— couldn't cope with it. and especially the _ couldn't cope with it. and especially the little terraced heee— especially the little terraced heee wee — especially the little terraced houses you enter from the pevemeht— houses you enter from the pevemeht .— houses you enter from the pavement , seven houses you enter from the pavement, seven bins houses you enter from the pavement , seven bins outside . pavement, seven bins outside. hew— pavement, seven bins outside. hew ee— pavement, seven bins outside. hew peepte— pavement, seven bins outside. how are people going to walk on the pevemehte— how are people going to walk on the pavements if— how are people going to walk on the pavements if they're only eheet— the pavements if they're only eheet three— the pavements if they're only about three foot— the pavements if they're only about three foot wide anyway? hew-e— about three foot wide anyway? hew-e e— about three foot wide anyway? hew-e e tetw— about three foot wide anyway? how's a lady getting on with her prem— how's a lady getting on with her prem-ettertw— how's a lady getting on with her pram elderly person with pram and elderly person with wethhhg— pram and elderly person with wethhhg-e— pram and elderly person with walking-? it's- pram and elderly person with walking ? it's not walking sticks? it's not preetheet— walking sticks? it's not practical, my- walking sticks? it's not practical, my love. be you're going— practical, my love. be you're gehhg te— practical, my love. be you're gehhg te eeeee— practical, my love. be you're going to cause more problems then— going to cause more problems then eheegh— going to cause more problems than enough. now on and than enough. now come on and etee.— than enough. now come on and etee. whw— than enough. now come on and also, why would _ than enough. now come on and also, why would you pay for what we're not getting?— also, why would you pay for what we're not getting? would you go hhte— we're not getting? would you go the e— we're not getting? would you go the e ehep— we're not getting? would you go into a shop and— we're not getting? would you go into a shop and tend a £50? they geve— into a shop and tend a £50? they geve wee— into a shop and tend a £50? they geve wee hethhhg— into a shop and tend a £50? they gave you nothing would pay to heve— gave you nothing would pay to heve thhe— gave you nothing would pay to have this done— gave you nothing would pay to have this done by— gave you nothing would pay to have this done by them and each weer— have this done by them and each weer thew-re— have this done by them and each weer thew-re trwhhg— have this done by them and each year they're trying to get to us do year they're trying to get to us he mere— year they're trying to get to us he ehe— year they're trying to get to us do more and more— year they're trying to get to us do more and more and more. and thew-re— do more and more and more. and thew-re ghveh— do more and more and more. and they're given less—

do more and more and more. and they're given less and less and heee— they're given less and less and teee. — they're given less and less and teee. hrhettw— they're given less and less and less. briefly, kim— they're given less and less and less. they're given less and less and less . less. briefly, kim briefly. i've had an email from one of your fans. it's anthony who says, mark, are good and gb mark, all views are good and gb news is great at that. but you cannot promote law breaking. would you be willing to go to jail protest at seven bins? jail in protest at seven bins? i would. i would. all right. heeeeee— would. i would. all right. heeeeee ht— would. i would. all right. because if it— would. i would. all right. because if it gets- : i would. all right. because if it gets noticed, look . heeh— because if it gets noticed, look . teeh. wee— because if it gets noticed, look , look, you know— because if it gets noticed, look , look, you know what? i've got a , look, you know what? i've got e hhg— , look, you know what? i've got e hhg eheegh— , look, you know what? i've got a big enough garden. i've got a big a big enough garden. i've got a hhg eheegh— a big enough garden. i've got a big enough front— a big enough garden. i've got a big enough front garden. but wee-ve— big enough front garden. but wee-ve get— big enough front garden. but wee-ve get te— big enough front garden. but you've got to think of the peepte— you've got to think of the peepte thet— you've got to think of the people that haven't deer. they heveh-t— people that haven't deer. they heveh-t e— people that haven't deer. they haven't ? what— people that haven't deer. they haven't ? what about old people haven't? what about old people tregghhg— haven't? what about old people tregghhg e— haven't? what about old people tregghhg eseme— haven't? what about old people dragging ? some have got to have dragging? some have got to have to dragging? some have got to have te heg— dragging? some have got to have te treg them— dragging? some have got to have to drag them from _ dragging? some have got to have to drag them from the little heehwert. — to drag them from the little backyard. right— to drag them from the little backyard. right through their hettwew— backyard. right through their hettwew. a— backyard. right through their hallway. a little old. a little ete— hallway. a little old. a little ett me.— hallway. a little old. a little old man. seven— hallway. a little old. a little old man. seven bins. oh, come. cemhhg— old man. seven bins. oh, come. cemhhg hhete— old man. seven bins. oh, come. coming there you— old man. seven bins. oh, come. coming there you go. before you say .— coming there you go. before you eew . thhh— coming there you go. before you eew . thhhh et— coming there you go. before you say , think of the— coming there you go. before you say , think of the old look. i'm say, think of the old look. i'm oh.— say, think of the old look. i'm oh. teeh— say, think of the old look. i'm an. oh, look, kim,- say, think of the old look. i'm an. oh, look, kim, let- say, think of the old look. i'm an. oh, look, kim, let me tell you, if you get banged up, i will be visiting . i will bring will be visiting. i will bring cake. and maybe we'll be granted our conjugal rights . i hope so . our conjugal rights. i hope so. the fabulous kim woodburn you and i will do together . so there and i will do together. so there you go . that's the solution. we

you go. that's the solution. we can bunk up the brilliant kim woodburn dropper of truth bombs . she'll be back very soon. speaking of truth bombs, i've got tomorrow's front pages . got tomorrow's front pages. there are some very spicy stories. let me tell you all of thatis stories. let me tell you all of that is next with full pundit reaction. don't go anywhere .

okay. it's exactly 1030, which is why every friday, saturday and sunday, it's time for this . and sunday, it's time for this. that's right. tomorrow's papers hot off the press. and we start with the daily mail. they lead with the daily mail. they lead with the daily mail. they lead with the following fears of chaosif with the following fears of chaos if doctors and nurses strike together . now, this strike together. now, this relates to our earlier monologue at 8:00. the nhs is braced for a

summer of mayhem after nurses tonight rejected a pay deal raising fears they could coordinate future strikes with junior doctors . coordinate future strikes with junior doctors. here's also . junior doctors. here's also. free £3 with paddy power grand national bet that's right it's the grand national tomorrow we'll be covering that at length on mark dolan tonight because i do love a bit of a flutter and i love horseracing , but do gamble love horseracing, but do gamble responsibly . okay. next up, responsibly. okay. next up, let's have the daily express . let's have the daily express. despite it all, the king is proud of harry. what have they put in this tea? has he been on the cooking show again? the king has spoken of his immense pride in both his sons days after it was initially finally confirmed that harry will attend his coronation. the telegraph, coronation. the daily telegraph, king's in his sons also king's pride in his sons also leads in their paper. covid will stay a mystery, says chinese expert , probably thanks to the expert, probably thanks to the chinese expert . also nurses to chinese expert. also nurses to target a&e in most extreme strike yet adding further

resonance to our 8:00 monologue, which you can catch on twitter right now at gb news as the independent . just how much more independent. just how much more can patients take? nurses reject a 5% pay deal and vote for all out 48 hour strike with no exemptions for emergency care . exemptions for emergency care. the guardian nursing strikes could go on until christmas and almost all clinics break the law over botox . s. well, that's a over botox. s. well, that's a story that will raise an eyebrow or two. nicely done. i'm here all week. thank you. try the liver, the eye weekend nurses strike to hit cancer care and a&e as sunak pay offer rejected . the daily mirror also featuring a free bet for the grand national and coronation crackdown. cops target terror groups, anarchists and anti—royalists over threats to ceremony and the daily star french nick gibb whether storm warning they swoop in to give

alerts nato arms like noah. that's right, a alerts nato arms like noah. that's right , a french alerts nato arms like noah. that's right, a french steal everything, don't they? including all the best ideas. those are your front pages as brilliant stuff. lots of coverage of the king and his comments about his pride in relation to two of his sons. can i can i convey my pride because we will be offering you and providing blanket coverage of the wonderful coronation celebrations as of the 6th of may. but i'll be on air for the fifth, the sixth and the seventh. i'll be down at buckingham palace and we will celebrate like it's going out of fashion. so make sure that you keep your channel tuned to gb news, whether you're listening on the radio or watching on the telly. gb news is your royal coronation on channel. now let's get reaction to those front pagesin get reaction to those front pages in the company of author and political commentator emma woolf. historian and writer. david oldroyd bolton, journalist and broadcaster lizzie zita. well emma, we're back to the topic of my 8:00 monologue. erg

fears of chaos if doctors and nurses strike together. yeah i think it's absolutely shocking. i think this needs to stop right hhew— i think this needs to stop right now. they need— i think this needs to stop right now. they need to— i think this needs to stop right now. they need to start it getthhg— now. they need to start it getting round— now. they need to start it getting round the table and hegethethhg— getting round the table and negotiating like grown ups. i'm not negotiating like grown ups. i'm het eewhhg— negotiating like grown ups. i'm het eewhhg thet— negotiating like grown ups. i'm not saying that the nurses and teetere— not saying that the nurses and teetere ehe— not saying that the nurses and doctors and paramedics don't heve— doctors and paramedics don't heve e— doctors and paramedics don't have a case, but— doctors and paramedics don't have a case, but the whole eeehhw— have a case, but the whole eeehtrw he— have a case, but the whole country is going- have a case, but the whole country is going through a cost of country is going through a cost et-erhehe. — country is going through a cost et-erhehe. hee— country is going through a cost of crisis. you know, let of living crisis. you know, let us of living crisis. you know, let ee eew— of living crisis. you know, let ee eew h— of living crisis. you know, let ee eew ht egehh— of living crisis. you know, let us say it again. these are pay hemehhe— us say it again. these are pay temehte ee— us say it again. these are pay demands are absolutely the demands are absolutely off the eeehe— demands are absolutely off the eeete .— demands are absolutely off the eeete . hhe— demands are absolutely off the scale . the doctors, the doctors scale. the doctors, the doctors temehthhg— scale. the doctors, the doctors demanding 35%— scale. the doctors, the doctors demanding 35% is— scale. the doctors, the doctors demanding 35% is complete meteee— demanding 35% is complete madness . and— demanding 35% is complete madness . and no matter what madness. and no matter what heppehe— madness. and no matter what heppehe. thew— madness. and no matter what happens, they need to come to hht— happens, they need to come to hhht et— happens, they need to come to some kind of resolution. this eee-t— some kind of resolution. this eeh-t ge— some kind of resolution. this eeh-t ge e.— some kind of resolution. this can't go on. now,— some kind of resolution. this can't go on. now, they would ergee— can't go on. now, they would ergee-wheh— can't go on. now, they would ergee-wheh wee- can't go on. now, they would argue when you talk about argue that when you talk about eereee-ter— argue that when you talk about nurses for decades and also nurses paid for decades and also thet— nurses paid for decades and also thet ehh— nurses paid for decades and also thet ehee he— nurses paid for decades and also thet ehee he eh— nurses paid for decades and also that 35% is an opening gambit. weeh— that 35% is an opening gambit. veeh. eh— that 35% is an opening gambit. yeah, an opening— that 35% is an opening gambit. yeah, an opening gambit. whetever— yeah, an opening gambit. whatever this— yeah, an opening gambit. whatever this is not the point. the— whatever this is not the point. the pehht— whatever this is not the point. the pehht he— whatever this is not the point. the point is lives— whatever this is not the point. the point is lives are going to be the point is lives are going to he teet— the point is lives are going to he teet-wee— the point is lives are going to be lost-you start- the point is lives are going to be lost you start talking be lost when you start talking whee— be lost when you start talking when the— be lost when you start talking when this starts— be lost when you start talking when this starts hitting a&e eeteer-ehe— when this starts hitting a&e cancer and other critical cancer care and other critical thvee— cancer care and other critical thvee ee— cancer care and other critical care lives are going to be lost ehe— care lives are going to be lost me the— care lives are going to be lost and this needs— care lives are going to be lost and this needs to— care lives are going to be lost and this needs to stop. will the pehthe— and this needs to stop. will the pehthe terghve— and this needs to stop. will the public forgive the _ and this needs to stop. will the public forgive the striking nhs werheree — public forgive the striking nhs workers? david— public forgive the striking nhs workers? david i— public forgive the striking nhs workers? ju r: workers? david i think there is a lot of public softness towards

the case because we see them every day doing jobs that most people couldn't conceive of doing. however, when their temhtw— doing. however, when their family members— r:rt:r “g however, when their family members start to die and cancer care isn't— family members start to die and cancer care isn't carried out , cancer care isn't carried out, when— cancer care isn't carried out, when peepte— cancer care isn't carried out, when peepte ge— cancer care isn't carried out, when people go to a&e and aren't hehee.— when people go to a&e and aren't heetet. h— when people go to a&e and aren't treated, i think— when people go to a&e and aren't treated, i think the— when people go to a&e and aren't treated, i think the softness tewerte— treated, i think the softness towards their— treated, i think the softness towards their case will harden verv— towards their case will harden verw gehehtw— towards their case will harden verw gehehtw .— towards their case will harden very quickly - the— towards their case will harden very quickly . the hippocratic very quickly. the hippocratic heth— very quickly. the hippocratic heth rhet— very quickly. the hippocratic oath first, do— very quickly. the hippocratic oath first, do no harm should be in oath first, do no harm should be hh the— oath first, do no harm should be in the forefront— oath first, do no harm should be in the forefront of— oath first, do no harm should be in the forefront of every medics mhg— in the forefront of every medics mhht. rhhe— in the forefront of every medics mhht. hhhele— in the forefront of every medics mind. this a vocation. this mind. this is a vocation. this is mind. this is a vocation. this he het— mind. this is a vocation. this is not something— mind. this is a vocation. this is not something should go is not something you should go hhte— is not something you should go hhte-wee— is not something you should go hhte-wee went- is not something you should go into-you want to- is not something you should go into you want to earn into because you want to earn a lot into because you want to earn a tet et— into because you want to earn a tet et mehew— into because you want to earn a lot of money. this— into because you want to earn a lot of money. this is something you— lot of money. this is something wee eheett— lot of money. this is something wee eheett ge— lot of money. this is something you should go into— lot of money. this is something you should go into because you went—thee- want to save people's lives and mehe— want to save people's lives and mehe-thvee— want to save people's lives and make-lives of— want to save people's lives and make lives of those you care make the lives of those you care for make the lives of those you care ter hetter. — make the lives of those you care for better. and— make the lives of those you care for better. and if— make the lives of those you care for better. and if you're going to for better. and if you're going te—et- for better. and if you're going te—et eheet to put people's lives at direct rheh— to put people's lives at direct rheh by— to put people's lives at direct risk by withdrawing emergency metheet— risk by withdrawing emergency medical-you're- risk by withdrawing emergency medical you're breaking risk by withdrawing emergency med oath you're breaking risk by withdrawing emergency med oath and you're breaking risk by withdrawing emergency med oath and thereforezaking risk by withdrawing emergency med oath and therefore you're that oath and therefore you're hreehhhg— that oath and therefore you're hreehhhg-et- that oath and therefore you're breaking-of your. breaking the terms of your covenant with— breaking the terms of your covenant with the british people whe— covenant with the british people whe-wegee.— covenant with the british people whe-wegee. ahe- covenant with the british people who-wages. and i- covenant with the british people who wages. and i think who pay your wages. and i think thet-e—hhew- who pay your wages. and i think that's—they would- that's abhorrent. they would ergee— that's abhorrent. they would egee-thew— that's abhorrent. they would. argue .they-massive argue that they amass massive tett.— argue that they amass massive debt,-thousands- argue that they amass massive debt, thousands of debt, tens of thousands of peepte.— debt, tens of thousands of pounds, becoming medical etetehte—el pounds, becoming medical- students_a career students and pursuing a career in students and pursuing a career he methehe— students and pursuing a career in medicine, and— students and pursuing a career in medicine, and then end up hehhg— in medicine, and then end up hehhg pett— in medicine, and then end up hehhg peht verw— in medicine, and then end up being paid very well for it. if het— being paid very well for it. if thret weer— being paid very well for it. if first year medics— being paid very well for it. if first year medics student once eet—ehe- first year medics student once eet—ehe hh- out of university and in hethhhg— out of university and in training-paid- out of university and in training paid 34 to £37,000, training is paid 34 to £37,000, thet-e— training is paid 34 to £37,000, thet-e eheve— training is paid 34 to £37,000,

that's above the— training is paid 34 to £37,000, that's above the national veege— that's above the national average wage. - that's above the national average wage. and these are peepte— average wage. and these are peepte vhe.— average wage. and these are peepte whe. ht— average wage. and these are people who, if they go on into eeheettehew— people who, if they go on into eeheettehew .— people who, if they go on into consultancy , will— people who, if they go on into consultancy , will earn vastly consultancy, will earn vastly mere-meet— consultancy, will earn vastly more most people they treat more than most people they treat will more than most people they treat whtt ever— more than most people they treat whtt eem— more than most people they treat will ever earn .— more than most people they treat will ever earn . if— more than most people they treat will ever earn . if even if they will ever earn. if even if they go will ever earn. if even if they ge hhte— will ever earn. if even if they go into general— will ever earn. if even if they go into general practise, they whtt— go into general practise, they whtt ethtt— go into general practise, they will still earn— go into general practise, they will still earn per year. 2 or 3 or even four times— will still earn per year. 2 or 3 or even four times as much as the— or even four times as much as the veege— or even four times as much as the average person in this eeemw.— the average person in this eeehtrw-ere- the average person in this country. are not. they are country. they are not. they are het— country. they are not. they are het-hw. — country. they are not. they are het-hw. vee- country. they are not. they are het-hw. vee thew- country. they are not. they arei not-by. yes they carry not hard done by. yes they carry tett.— not hard done by. yes they carry tett-ee— not hard done by. yes they carry tett-ee heee— not hard done by. yes they carry debt,-so does every- not hard done by. yes they carry debt, so does every graduate debt, but so does every graduate and-ftay_ debt, but so does every graduate ehe—pew thet- debt, but so does every graduate and-pay that debt- debt, but so does every graduate and pay that debt off and they will pay that debt off ehe— and they will pay that debt off ehe-whtt— and they will pay that debt off and -will-better- and they will pay that debt off and will better and and they will have better and more-rewarded- and they will have better and more rewarded lives. i more richly rewarded lives. i teet— more richly rewarded lives. i feet-thh— more richly rewarded lives. i fear-this is— more richly rewarded lives. i fear-this is a- more richly rewarded lives. i fear this is a case of a fear that this is a case of a greet— fear that this is a case of a greet meret— fear that this is a case of a great moral disjunct in the metheet— great moral disjunct in the medical profession, not eethretw— medical profession, not entirely, among those who entirely, but among those who are entirely, but among those who ere—h- entirely, but among those whoi ere—h teh-t are propounding it. and i don't thhh— are propounding it. and i don't think-british— are propounding it. and i don't think british public think the british public sympatby_ think the british public sympathy that think the british public- sympathy-that much sympathy will last that much tehger. — sympathy will last that much longer. lizzie— sympathy will last that much longer. lizzie i— sympathy will last that much longer. lizzie i completely egree— longer. lizzie i completely agree everything that agree with everything that has heeh— agree with everything that has heee-thhh— agree with everything that has been-think that- agree with everything that has been _think that really been said. i think that really this needs to be sorted out now, now, now. it's very, very ergeht. — now, now. it's very, very urgent. they're- it's very, very urgent. they're talking about ehhhhhg— urgent. they're talking about striking until— urgent. they're talking about striking until christmas. it's a vew.— striking until christmas. it's a verw. verw— striking until christmas. it's a very, very difficult situation. hee— very, very difficult situation. vee et— very, very difficult situation. yes of course,— very, very difficult situation. yes of course, we would like to ghve— yes of course, we would like to ghve e— yes of course, we would like to ghve e geet— yes of course, we would like to give a good raise— yes of course, we would like to give a good raise to the nurses ehe— give a good raise to the nurses eht etee— give a good raise to the nurses eht etee the— give a good raise to the nurses and also the doctors. but the teet— and also the doctors. but the feet he— and also the doctors. but the feet he thet— and also the doctors. but the fact is that if— and also the doctors. but the fact is that if we— and also the doctors. but the fact is that if we put the eeterhee— fact is that if we put the eeterhee ep— fact is that if we put the salaries up too- fact is that if we put the salaries up too much, it's going to salaries up too much, it's going te peeh— salaries up too much, it's going te peeh ee— salaries up too much, it's going te peeh ee hhte— salaries up too much, it's going

to push us into inflation. hhete— to push us into inflation. hhet-e teet— to push us into inflation. that's just a— to push us into inflation. that's just a fact . and we are that's just a fact. and we are in that's just a fact. and we are he e— that's just a fact. and we are in a dangerous— that's just a fact. and we are in a dangerous situation of peepte— in a dangerous situation of peepte eterthhg— in a dangerous situation of people starting to lose their thvee. — people starting to lose their thvee. h— people starting to lose their lives. i know— people starting to lose their lives. i know a— people starting to lose their lives. i know a lot of people thet— lives. i know a lot of people thet ee— lives. i know a lot of people thet gehhg— lives. i know a lot of people that are going through cancer treetmeht— that are going through cancer treatment at— that are going through cancer treatment at the— that are going through cancer treatment at the moment. friends of treatment at the moment. friends et rhhe— treatment at the moment. friends et ehe— treatment at the moment. friends et eht h— treatment at the moment. friends of mine and it really concerns ahe— of mine and it really concerns me. and when— of mine and it really concerns me. and when we- of mine and it really concerns me. and when we talk about people who are being badly paid, can about care workers can we talk about care workers who are dealing with people in elderly people in care homes? can talk about nursery can we talk about nursery workers who are looking after our babies our young our babies and our young children seven, an children for six, seven, £8 an hour? people who are hour? there are people who are no no pension, no no contract, no pension, no contract, sick pay, no contract, no sick pay, no contract, no sick pay, no contract, not working contract, no they're not working in large hospitals. contract, no they're not working in don't large hospitals. contract, no they're not working in don't l.any hospitals. contract, no they're not working in don't l.any of spitals. contract, no they're not working in don't l.any of those ;. they don't have any of those benefits. are really benefits. they are really scandalously disgusting , benefits. they are really scandalously disgusting, badly paid. they're not striking . and paid. they're not striking. and junior doctors now are not working. the sort hours that working. the sort of hours that most who are gp's and most people who are gp's and consultants done as consultants would have done as junior doctors themselves when the 100 week was perfectly the 100 hour week was perfectly normal and junior had to normal and junior doctors had to often on hospital grounds, often live on hospital grounds, they're not allowed now because of the european working time directive. 45, 50 directive. they're doing 45, 50 hour at most . so it's not hour weeks at most. so it's not like the old days when they were really paid very little and they

had to do huge amounts of work. they're doing less work more they're doing less work for more money. well, i mean, the average salary for a in this country salary for a gp in this country is around £140,000. now that's the average salary for a salary for junior doctors. i mean, forjunior doctors. i mean, these forjunior doctors. i mean, theee peepte— j“ i mean, these people working forjunior doctors. i mean,- these people .working junior these people are working junior teetere— these people are working junior doctors. _that- these people are working junior doctors. _that they. doctors. i'm sorry that they have a clinical role. you really want have a clinical role. you really went them— have a clinical role. you really want them inaccurate- have a clinical role. you really want them inaccurate ?- rt.t j“ rtu you really want them inaccurate ? a bit more want them inaccurate? a bit more then— want them inaccurate? a bit more the e— want them inaccurate? a bit more the e eete— want them inaccurate? a bit more than a cafe barista— want them inaccurate? a bit more than a cafe barista ,— want them inaccurate? a bit more than a cafe barista , given the than a cafe barista, given the teet— than a cafe barista, given the feet h— than a cafe barista, given the fact i thought— than a cafe barista, given the fact i thought that was disgusting. - fact i thought that was disgusting. fact i thought that was— disgusting. that whole campaign doing down baristas who are also doing down baristas who are also doing a job. yeah, you're not better because you're a junior doctor . junior doctor is a very doctor. junior doctor is a very inaccurate term. it means anything consultant level. anything up to consultant level. so that's a huge range of people. yeah, you've got salaries, but also we negotiate . they need to discuss all this. and lizzie, into the and lizzie, they go into the preteeeheh— and lizzie, they go into the profession-look- and lizzie, they go into the profession look after people. profession to look after people. they— profession to look after people. hhew weetth-t— profession to look after people. they wouldn't go— profession to look after people. they wouldn't go on strike if thew— they wouldn't go on strike if thew weeht— they wouldn't go on strike if they weren't desperate. no, no, thew-re— they weren't desperate. no, no, they're desperate.— they weren't desperate. no, no, they're desperate. they're teeperete— they're desperate. they're desperate. been they're desperate. they're d i sperate. been they're desperate. they're di mean,. been they're desperate. they're di mean, the been they're desperate. they're di mean, the nurses been they're desperate. they're di mean, the nurses are been . i mean, the nurses are teeperete— . i mean, the nurses are desperate. they're living of desperate. they're living out of teet— desperate. they're living out of feet—et- desperate. they're living out of food—of them.- desperate. they're living out ofi food—of them. they food banks. many of them. they are food banks. many of them. they etreggthpg— food banks. many of them. they are struggling. need are struggling. yes. and we need to are struggling. yes. and we need te eeme— are struggling. yes. and we need te we te— are struggling. yes. and we need to come we do need to come to hht— to come we do need to come to some kind arrangement with some kind of arrangement with them. — some kind of arrangement with them. absolutely.— some kind of arrangement with them. ' ur some kind of arrangement with them. j g them. absolutely. the government needs them

needs to sit down with them and talk and come some kind of talk and come to some kind of arrangement their argument. arrangement with their argument. we their argument is we are paying their argument is thet— we are paying their argument is thet hh— we are paying their argument is thet he went— we are paying their argument is that 5% won't even touch the eheee— that 5% won't even touch the ehtee hh— that 5% won't even touch the sides in terms— that 5% won't even touch the sides in terms what they sides in terms of what they heet. — sides in terms of what they heet. -mewhe- sides in terms of what they need. maybe the government need. well, maybe the government heehe— need. well, maybe the government heete ehe— need. well, maybe the government heete me the— need. well, maybe the government needs and the rest— need. well, maybe the government needs and the rest of us have. het— needs and the rest of us have. het het.— needs and the rest of us have. het het. het— needs and the rest of us have. but but. but what— needs and the rest of us have. but what about we are but but. but what about we are paying— but but. but what about we are pewhhg shee— but but. but what about we are paying £233 billion— but but. but what about we are paying £233 billion a- but what about we are paying £233 billion a year as to the hethehet— paying £233 billion a year as to the national health, it's eeehhg— the national health, it's eeethhg ee— the national health, it's costing us. it's not tenable thet— costing us. it's not tenable thet we— costing us. it's not tenable that we continue view in this ehwwew— that we continue view in this manner anyway because it's on its manner anyway because it's on he hheee. — manner anyway because it's on its knees. there— manner anyway because it's on its knees. there are- manner anyway because it's on its knees. j“rt;jt; .ujt; gt:r “g manner anyway because it's on its knees. gt:r “g its knees. there are going to be certain parts of the national health that we can't carry on like this. people are living a lot like this. people are living a tet tehger— like this. people are living a tet tehger .— like this. people are living a lot longer. when— t people are living a lot longer. when we started t people are living a lot longer . when we started with lot longer. when we started with the wethehet— lot longer. when we started with the national health , people were the national health, people were entw— the national health, people were ehtw thvhhg— the national health, people were only living until— the national health, people were only living until they were 60. when— only living until they were 60. when r— only living until they were 60. when r wee— only living until they were 60. when r e— only living until they were 60. when i was a kid,— only living until they were 60. when i was a kid, people started dying— when i was a kid, people started thhhg-eh.— when i was a kid, people started twhhgleh. tmme— when i was a kid, people started dying-60. emma it— when i was a kid, people started dying 60. emma it was normal. dying at 60. emma it was normal. heee— dying at 60. emma it was normal. heee thhe— dying at 60. emma it was normal. heee thhe hrhhg— dying at 60. emma it was normal. does this bring the— dying at 60. emma it was normal. does this bring the nhs into therepete— does this bring the nhs into therepete e— does this bring the nhs into disrepute ? what are they, the disrepute? what are they, the mhtheht— disrepute? what are they, the militant unions,— disrepute? what are they, the militant unions, unaware of the temege— militant unions, unaware of the temege thew-re— militant unions, unaware of the damage they're doing to the repetetheh— damage they're doing to the reputation of— damage they're doing to the reputation of the service? i thhh— reputation of the service? i thhhh ht— reputation of the service? i think it does— reputation of the service? i think it does bring- reputation of the service? i think it does bring them into disrepute. i think, yes, there's still a lot of affection just about clinging on. i think about clinging on. but i think if this goes on, isn't just if this goes on, it isn't just people losing lives. it's people losing their lives. it's old have hip

old people who have a hip replacement schedule. when you're pain , those you're living in pain, those kinds things. i know woman kinds of things. i know a woman who's been who's operation has been scheduled and booked and she gets tense about it and worried about for about it and prepares for it. it's cancelled and it's been cancelled and rescheduled six oh, okay. rescheduled six times. oh, okay. she's only an old person living in poverty and in pain. she doesn't matter. she's not going to die from it as people's lives. she's paid taxes all her life for a functioning nhs. my husband is due to have a scan. it's been cancelled four times ehe— it's been cancelled four times eht hve— it's been cancelled four times now and i've just— it's been cancelled four times now and i've just i'm at the pehht— now and i've just i'm at the pehht. h— now and i've just i'm at the pehht. h eehe— now and i've just i'm at the point. i said go— now and i've just i'm at the point. i said go privately, het-e— point. i said go privately, tehe-pew— point. i said go privately, tet-e-pew ter- point. i said go privately, let's-pay for it- point. i said go privately, let's pay for it because let's just pay for it because he— let's just pay for it because he .— let's just pay for it because he . wee— let's just pay for it because it's , you know,— let's just pay for it because it's , you know, how much does it it's, you know, how much does it eeeh— it's, you know, how much does it eeeh-ehe— it's, you know, how much does it cost?-and.this- cost? let's try and do this prhvetetw— cost? let's try and do this privately because you can't be ehthhg— privately because you can't be sitting around— privately because you can't be sitting around with your health and sitting around with your health eht wehhhg— sitting around with your health and waiting for— sitting around with your health and waiting for the nhs to. htehtw— and waiting for the nhs to. htehtw et— and waiting for the nhs to. plenty of medics are against it. hheee— plenty of medics are against it. these strikes— plenty of medics are against it. these strikes and— plenty of medics are against it. these strikes and in fact when it these strikes and in fact when h eemee— these strikes and in fact when h te— these strikes and in fact when it comes to the— these strikes and in fact when it comes to the various pay ehere— it comes to the various pay ettere thet— it comes to the various pay offers that are— it comes to the various pay offers that are put to members is offers that are put to members he etmeet— offers that are put to members is almost half— offers that are put to members is almost half often support it, hhetehhhg— is almost half often support it, hhetethhg hh— is almost half often support it, including in the— is almost half often support it, including in the case of the . het— including in the case of the nurses. but it— including in the case of the nurses. but it seems like including in the case of the nurses . but it seems like these nurses. but it seems like these unions are in the— nurses. but it seems like these unions are in the hands of a hert— unions are in the hands of a herd tett— unions are in the hands of a hard left militant. they are. ahe— hard left militant. they are. art thet— hard left militant. they are. and that union— hard left militant. they are.

and that union boss- hard left militant. they are. and that union boss is- hard left militant. they are. and that union boss is off on holiday. they are well, that's thet— holiday. they are well, that's thet he— holiday. they are well, that's thet he the— holiday. they are well, that's that is the problem,- r:u they are well, that's that is the problem, isn't it, thet— that is the problem, isn't it, thet e— that is the problem, isn't it, thet e tet— that is the problem, isn't it, that a lot of— that is the problem, isn't it, that a lot of public sector unions have— that a lot of public sector unions have been captured as thew— unions have been captured as thew wee— unions have been captured as thew hh— unions have been captured as they were in the _ unions have been captured as they were in the 60 seconds and 70 they were in the 60 seconds and to eeeehet — they were in the 60 seconds and to eeeeete-get- they were in the 60 seconds and 70 seconds.-got rid- they were in the 60 seconds and 70 seconds. got rid of in 70 seconds. it was got rid of in the— 70 seconds. it was got rid of in the-ehe— 70 seconds. it was got rid of in the-eht-het- 70 seconds. it was got rid of in the and but they've the 80s and 90s, but they've heeh— the 80s and 90s, but they've been captured— the 80s and 90s, but they've been captured again by a hard left been captured again by a hard tett eeree.— been captured again by a hard left cadre-this- been captured again by a hard left cadre. this question left cadre. but on this question i left cadre. but on this question h-eeh— left cadre. but on this question h-eeh the— left cadre. but on this question i-ask the nation- left cadre. but on this question i ask the nation once i have to ask the nation once more, how much— i have to ask the nation once more, how much longer is the hetheh— more, how much longer is the then gehhg— more, how much longer is the then gehhg te— more, how much longer is the nation going to stick its head in nation going to stick its head hh-eheet— nation going to stick its head in - about the - nation going to stick its head in about the nhs? it is in the sand about the nhs? it is an unaffordable— in the sand about the nhs? it is an unaffordable system. it's ehtehehte— an unaffordable system. it's untenable-good. an unaffordable system. it's untenable good health untenable not give good healthi eetemee—er outcomes. if we want the sort of ewetem — outcomes. if we want the sort of ewetem -heve- outcomes. if we want the sort of system _have abroad. system that they have abroad where— system that they have abroad where-are well- system that they have abroad where are well paid and where people are well paid and the heetth— where people are well paid and the health outcomes are good, we heet—ehe- need a mixture of public and prhvete— need a mixture of public and prhvete. vee.— need a mixture of public and private. yes, junior doctors eewhhg— private. yes, junior doctors eewhhg thew-re— private. yes, junior doctors saying they're going to saying they're going off to aeetrethe— saying they're going off to australia. don't. we saying they're going off to- australia.-don't. we have australia. no, we don't. we have a nationalised— australia. no, we don't. we have a nationalised system that has eeme—phete- a nationalised system that has some—private. if. a nationalised system that has some private. if you some options for private. if you went— some options for private. if you went-hege— some options for private. if you want huge amount for want to pay a huge amourit for it. want to pay a huge amount for h. _teetere— want to pay a huge amount for it. _doctors going- want to pay a huge amount for it. doctors going off to it. junior doctors going off to aeetrethe— it. junior doctors going off to australia-be— it. junior doctors going off to australia be paid better. why australia to be paid better. why is australia to be paid better. why he—aeehethe- australia to be paid better. why is_australia has. is that? because australia has a mhetere— is that? because australia has a mixture-public— is that? because australia has a mixture public and private. mixture of public and private. we mixture of public and private. we heet— mixture of public and private. we need-with- mixture of public and private. we need with this false we need to stop with this false thehetemw— we need to stop with this false dichotomy-either- dichotomy that it's either the whs— dichotomy that it's either the nhs-american- dichotomy that it's either the- nhs-american system. nhs or it's the american system. it's nhs or it's the american system. rte-the— nhs or it's the american system. rte-the veet— nhs or it's the american system. it's the vast majority of it's not the vast majority of the— it's not the vast majority of the wertt. — it's not the vast majority of the world, particularly europe, where— the world, particularly europe, where-whe— the world, particularly europe, where-who love- the world, particularly europe, where who love the nhs where those who love the nhs prehehtw— where those who love the nhs prehehtw heve— where those who love the nhs probably have houses in probably have second houses in heeeehw— probably have second houses in tuscany-dordogne- probably have second houses in tuscany dordogne works tuscany and the dordogne works on tuscany and the dordogne works eh-heehe— tuscany and the dordogne works eh-heehe et— tuscany and the dordogne works eh-heehe et e— tuscany and the dordogne works on basis of a mixed health on the basis of a mixed health

ewetem— on the basis of a mixed health care system where— on the basis of a mixed health care system where you can pay peepte— care system where you can pay peepte wett— care system where you can pay people well because it's coming hem— people well because it's coming hem heth— people well because it's coming from both the— people well because it's coming from both the state and from prhvete— from both the state and from private enterprise. if we want to private enterprise. if we want te heve— private enterprise. if we want te heve e— private enterprise. if we want to have a health— private enterprise. if we want to have a health system that heehe— to have a health system that teehe eher— to have a health system that looks after an— to have a health system that looks after an ageing population,- looks after an ageing- population,-population population, an obese population . ehe— population, an obese population . eht e— population, an obese population , and a population— population, an obese population , and a population that has ever more-outcomes- , and a population that has ever more _outcomes and i , and a population that has ever more outcomes and pays more complex outcomes and pays its practitioners— more complex outcomes and pays its practitioners and— more complex outcomes and pays its practitioners and nurses wett— its practitioners and nurses wett. we— its practitioners and nurses wett. we heet— its practitioners and nurses well, we need to move away from a well, we need to move away from e peretw— well, we need to move away from e peretw tex— well, we need to move away from a purely tax funded— well, we need to move away from a purely tax funded model and we heet— a purely tax funded model and we heet-egehh— need to do it urgently. furthermore - need to do it urgently. furthermore and furthermore, i thhh— furthermore and furthermore, i thhhh ht— furthermore and furthermore, i thhhh ht wee— furthermore and furthermore, i think if you can— furthermore and furthermore, i think if you can afford to pay to think if you can afford to pay te ge— think if you can afford to pay te ge prhvetetw— think if you can afford to pay te ge prhvetetw .— think if you can afford to pay to go privately , then you to go privately, then you eheett. — to go privately, then you should. yes— to go privately, then you should. yes ,- to go privately, then you should. jj/rt;~tf. : to go privately, then you- should. yes , you should, and should. yes, you should, and take the burden off . that means take the burden off. that means that you're paying twice . that's that you're paying twice. that's better. yeah. but if you're paying better. yeah. but if you're paying twice, then so be it. if you you can get kim woodburn, you if you can get kim woodburn, having to wash the street signs outside her house. yeah, but everwhetw— outside her house. yeah, but everwhetw eeh— outside her house. yeah, but everybody can i— outside her house. yeah, but everybody can i just- r:rt yeah, but everybody can i just say rishi seheh— everybody can i just say rishi seheh wee— everybody can i just say rishi sunak was asking the holes eetehte— sunak was asking the holes eetehte hhe— sunak was asking the holes outside his hollywood mansion . outside his hollywood mansion. thhh— outside his hollywood mansion. hhehh seheh.— outside his hollywood mansion. rishi sunak. he's— outside his hollywood mansion. rishi sunak. he's asked- outside his hollywood mansion. rishi sunak. he's asked again and again. and again if he'd ever used private— ur: .ugu j“ and again if he'd ever used private care. ur: ugu j“ and again if he'd ever used private care. j “r: ever used private care. and i'm hhrhhg— ever used private care. and i'm thinking he should . he's ever used private care. j “r: “g : he's loaded. thinking he should. he's loaded. he should use private margaret thatcher, said she exactly . with thatcher, said she exactly. with pride. yeah have the nhs hastened their own demise, do you think , emma, with with these

you think, emma, with with these policies? i think we need to get away from this idea that the nhs can do no wrong, that nurses and doctors got gods and doctors have got gods and goddesses but there's goddesses? well, no, but there's ethtt— goddesses? well, no, but there's ethtt-htee— goddesses? well, no, but there's still-idea that— goddesses? well, no, but there's still-idea that they,- g::7 well, no, but there's still idea that they, you still this idea that they, you hhew.— still this idea that they, you hhew. thet— still this idea that they, you know, that you _ still this idea that they, you know, that you really can't erhhehee — know, that you really can't criticise them.— know, that you really can't criticise them. actually you _hehwl criticise them. actually youj _hehw et criticise them. actually you- can. _many of them can. and they are. many of them are can. and they are. many of them ere-pett— can. and they are. many of them ere-peht-wee- can. and they are. many of them are-paid-you know,- can. and they are. many of them are paid you know, they are well paid and you know, they heet— are well paid and you know, they heet-rhe— are well paid and you know, they heet-rhtlget— are well paid and you know, they need rid get around need to get rid of get around the— need to get rid of get around the-hettw— need to get rid of get around the daily express despite the table daily express despite it the table daily express despite h-the— the table daily express despite h-the hhg— the table daily express despite h-the hhhg he— the table daily express despite it the king is proud of it all, the king is proud of hettw. — it all, the king is proud of herrw. he— it all, the king is proud of herrw. he wee— it all, the king is proud of harry. th:r j“ j“7 it all, the king is proud of- harry. do you believe him? no i don't believe. well, look, he loves his sons. of course he heee.— loves his sons. of course he teee. ahe— loves his sons. of course he does. and he's— loves his sons. of course he does. and he's got- loves his sons. of course he does. and he's got a- j“ of course he does. and he's got a good son ehe— does. and he's got a good son me he— does. and he's got a good son me he get— does. and he's got a good son and he's got the— does. and he's got a good son and he's got the prodigal son. so and he's got the prodigal son. se heh— and he's got the prodigal son. so hee hee— and he's got the prodigal son. so hee he get— and he's got the prodigal son. so he's he's got a— and he's got the prodigal son. so he's he's got a good- and he's got the prodigal son. so he's he's got a good son and a nightmare. and, you know, the ginger sheep. it's such a it's so awful that this is being played out in the public eye. just when charles is going to have his coronation , it's just have his coronation, it's just despicable. although credit , despicable. although credit, credit, don't you think, to the king for the tone he's setting. yes. particularly i think his majesty has been dignified side throughout. yes. and it's an extre— throughout. yes. and it's an extra ordinary— throughout. yes. and it's an extra ordinary and- g yes. and it's an extra ordinary and wonderful

thhhg— extra ordinary and wonderful thhhg te— extra ordinary and wonderful thing to watch. _ extra ordinary and wonderful thing to watch. this man who has heeh— thing to watch. this man who has been absolutely— thing to watch. this man who has been absolutely pilloried by his teeghter— been absolutely pilloried by his teeghter hh— been absolutely pilloried by his daughter in law— been absolutely pilloried by his daughter in law ,— been absolutely pilloried by his daughter in law , retain his daughter in law, retain his thghhtw— daughter in law, retain his thghhtwle— daughter in law, retain his dignity-a time- daughter in law, retain his dignity a time of great dignity at a time of great pressure. lis,- dignity at a time of great pressure..is, i- dignity at a time of great pressure. is, i think, to the pressure. it is, i think, to the geet— pressure. it is, i think, to the geet et— pressure. it is, i think, to the geet et the— pressure. it is, i think, to the good of the nation that the heeheee— good of the nation that the heeheee et— good of the nation that the duchess of sussex has decided to epeht — duchess of sussex has decided to epeht mere— duchess of sussex has decided to epeht mee-e— duchess of sussex has decided to spend more a suntan spend more time on a suntan and to spend more time on a suntan and te-et— spend more time on a suntan and te—et the— spend more time on a suntan and to-of the nation- spend more time on a suntan and to-of the nation that- to the good of the nation that the hehe— to the good of the nation that the hehe et— to the good of the nation that the duke of sussex coming. the duke of sussex is coming. wett— the duke of sussex is coming. wen-there— the duke of sussex is coming. well,-there you- the duke of sussex is coming. well,-there you go. - the duke of sussex is coming. well,-there you go. let. the duke of sussex is coming. i well,-there you go. let me well, look, there you go. let me reiterate that mark dolan tonight home of the tonight is the home of the coronation, is whole of coronation, as is the whole of gb news from the fifth, the sixth and the of may. that's sixth and the 7th of may. that's right. we'll be on air. i'll be down at the palace to celebrate this extra ordinary national moment. so don't miss a second. all of your favourite contributors as kinsey schofield, tom bower, ken wharfe, all the hits, all the stars. so we're massively looking forward. greg, you better get booking those pretty soon because do snapped soon because they do get snapped up. we've got all of that up. look, we've got all of that to come let me tell that to come and let me tell you that the king and harry and meghan will be featuring in a brand new feature this show next. feature on this show next. and it's to be the headline it's going to be the headline heroes and the back page baddies . find out more after this. plus i've got tomorrow's times as

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well, look, some brilliant emails coming in as always, it's the highlight of the show when you get in touch. mark gbnews.uk , it's been such a busy show. i wish i'd got through more of them, but thank you for every single and james has single one. and james has said in the and the in relation to the nhs and the junior doctors on strike as well as the nurses, can you publish the breakdown the costs in the breakdown of the costs in the breakdown of the costs in the particularly the the nhs, particularly the administration and the wokery? well, almost half of what goes into nhs is not related to into the nhs is not related to clinical care, there's your clinical care, so there's your problem there. james but thank you for that . another james says you for that. another james says mark, are the medical professionals who are striking part of the generation who have been overindulged have been overindulged and have a great sense of entitlement . and great sense of entitlement. and don't forget , says gerard, the don't forget, says gerard, the junior doctors begin to earn

later than other graduates. most of the courses are five years long. it's six years at oxbridge and imperial college, so by the time they begin to work, they've not earned what others earned and also paid for the extra years . so there you go. although years. so there you go. although director chloe said that was their choice , which is a fair their choice, which is a fair point. always good to hear from the director . yvonne point. always good to hear from the director. yvonne has said the director. yvonne has said the real cost of living crisis is the immigration problem in this country . george says mark this country. george says mark immediate termination of employment of all nurses and junior doctors, followed by rehiring of those accepting the offered salary is the effective answer. well, that's what someone like michael o'leary of ryanair would do. why can't the pubuc ryanair would do. why can't the public sector sharpen up in the same way and think in a more entrepreneurial way? oh, that's a great debate. keep those emails coming. mark gbnews.uk, i've got another of the front pages for you and it is the times . and they lead with again times. and they lead with again , a story that we covered at 8:00 tonight because we're ahead of the curve where possible on

mark dolan tonight the times nurses set for more strikes. junior doctors push for joint walkout as nhs safety fears grow .jane walkout as nhs safety fears grow . jane seymour i'm still close to all four of my ex—husbands. what a brave lady. large bed, big bed. exactly where does she get the energy from ? now look. get the energy from? now look. welcome to a brand new feature on mark dolan tonight. we're always trying to innovate. and tonight i'll be asking my top punst tonight i'll be asking my top pundits for their headline heroes. an and back page baddies . so who should we celebrate and who should we give a big fat raspberry to? and let's start. if we can, emma wolf with your headune if we can, emma wolf with your headline hero. my hero is meghan . heeheee— headline hero. my hero is meghan . heeheee et— headline hero. my hero is meghan , duchess of sussex,— headline hero. my hero is meghan , duchess of sussex, for— : rt;jt:r my hero is meghan , duchess of sussex, for not eemhhg— , duchess of sussex, for not eemhhg te— , duchess of sussex, for not coming to the— , duchess of sussex, for not coming to the coronation and for etewhhg— coming to the coronation and for etewhhg etewhhg— coming to the coronation and for staying staying in— coming to the coronation and for staying staying in california . staying staying in california. so staying staying in california. so ehe-e— staying staying in california. so step e— staying staying in california. so she's a hero— staying staying in california. so she's a hero for— staying staying in california. so she's a hero for putting a button on it and staying home. just giving us a break. yeah. do just giving us a break. yeah. he wee— just giving us a break. yeah. he wee thhh— just giving us a break. yeah. do you think also— just giving us a break. yeah. do you think also you're- just giving us a break. yeah. do you think also you're a good psychologist of human nature. why do you think she has stayed

home? because i would have thought this publicity hungry woman would to be there. woman would love to be there. i think she's crying not being think she's crying at not being able . buti think she's crying at not being able . but i also think able to come. but i also think ehe-e— able to come. but i also think she's absolutely— t but i also think she's absolutely terrified of t but i also think she publiclutely terrified of t but i also think she public opprobrium ed of t but i also think she public opprobrium .d of t but i also think she public opprobrium . and i the public opprobrium. and i thhh— the public opprobrium. and i thhhh-mew— the public opprobrium. and i think-may well- the public opprobrium. and i think may well actually be think she may well actually be heeet— think she may well actually be heeet-h— think she may well actually be booed-i think— think she may well actually be booed.-i think she- think she may well actually be booed. i think she doesn't booed. also, i think she doesn't went— booed. also, i think she doesn't weht te— booed. also, i think she doesn't weht te he— booed. also, i think she doesn't weht te he e— booed. also, i think she doesn't want to be a second class, a eeehet— want to be a second class, a eeehet eheee— want to be a second class, a second class guest, citizen . second class guest, citizen. she— second class guest, citizen. she went— second class guest, citizen. she went eh— second class guest, citizen. she won't sit at— second class guest, citizen. she won't sit at the- second class guest, citizen. j“ c c t she she won't sit at the back. she she cheap seats. nobody- j“ c c t she she cheap seats. nobody puts hegheh— she cheap seats. nobody puts meghan behind— she cheap seats. nobody puts meghan behind a pillar. she was epperehttw— meghan behind a pillar. she was epperehttw-te— meghan behind a pillar. she was epperehttw-te he- meghan behind a pillar. she was apparently to be put apparently going to be put hehhht— apparently going to be put hehhht e— apparently going to be put behind a pillar in westminster ahhew— behind a pillar in westminster ahhew-thet-e— behind a pillar in westminster abbey.-that's not- abbey. and that's not acceptable. - abbey. and that's not acceptable. want acceptable. she doesn't want to be acceptable. she doesn't want to he-eeeeht— acceptable. she doesn't want to be - second row, - acceptable. she doesn't want to be second row, does she? be in the second row, does she? if be in the second row, does she? ht-here.— be in the second row, does she? if-here,-wants- be in the second row, does she? if-here, .wants to - be in the second row, does she? if-here,-wants to be. if she's here, she wants to be on if she's here, she wants to be eh-heteehw— if she's here, she wants to be on balcony watching the on the balcony watching the ttw—peet. — on the balcony watching the ttw—peet. atee— on the balcony watching the fly—past. also, imagine fly—past. also, you imagine the reeeptheh— fly—past. also, you imagine the reception that— fly—past. also, you imagine the reception that royal family reception that the royal family we-whet— reception that the royal family we-whet the- reception that the royal family we what the things that we all know what the things that thew—the— we all know what the things that thew—thhe eth- we all know what the things that they—this all is- they the irony of this all is het— they the irony of this all is thet hettw— they the irony of this all is that harry wrote book, not that harry wrote the book, not heghee— that harry wrote the book, not hegheh. ahe— that harry wrote the book, not meghan. and i'm— that harry wrote the book, not meghan. and i'm talking about it as meghan. and i'm talking about it ee theegh— meghan. and i'm talking about it as though meghan— meghan. and i'm talking about it as though meghan wrote spare, ettheegh—tht. although she probably did, ettheegh— although she probably did,- although _wrote although the ghost—writer wrote spere— although the ghost—writer wrote spere .— although the ghost—writer wrote spere . hegheh— although the ghost—writer wrote spare , meghan probably then had spare, meghan probably then had a spare, meghan probably then had e teeh— spare, meghan probably then had e teeh et— spare, meghan probably then had e teeh et h— spare, meghan probably then had a look at it anyway— spare, meghan probably then had a look at it anyway . nothing. it a look at it anyway. nothing. it whtt. — a look at it anyway. nothing. it whtt. ht— a look at it anyway. nothing. it whtt. ht whtt— a look at it anyway. nothing. it will. it will have.— a look at it anyway. nothing. it will. it will have. it- a look at it anyway. nothing. it will. c ct c ct will. it will have. it will have required mrs. markle's ms. markle's. ms. markle's exactly hhm— markle's. ms. markle's exactly hhm . — markle's. ms. markle's exactly him. pussywhipped. mm. this markle's exactly him . : mm. very markle's. ms. markle's exactly- him . pussywhipped. mm. very much him. pussywhipped. mm. very much verv— him. pussywhipped. mm. very much so. very much so. what do you think motivated her decision to

sit this one out? cowardice or dignity? i think it's the. i think she's terrified she'd get pettet— think she's terrified she'd get pettet whh— think she's terrified she'd get pelted with eggs. everyone is . pelted with eggs. everyone is. tverwehe— pelted with eggs. everyone is. tverwehe wee— pelted with eggs. everyone is. everyone was very tolerant . we everyone was very tolerant. we tevet— everyone was very tolerant. we tevet her— everyone was very tolerant. we loved her when _ everyone was very tolerant. we loved her when she came and that there— loved her when she came and that there wee— loved her when she came and that there e— loved her when she came and that there was a beautiful wedding. she— there was a beautiful wedding. she heehee— there was a beautiful wedding. she looked gorgeous. she wore thet— she looked gorgeous. she wore thet etemhhg— she looked gorgeous. she wore that stunning dress. she was reettw— that stunning dress. she was really welcomed— that stunning dress. she was really welcomed into this eeemw.— really welcomed into this eeehtrw. rm— really welcomed into this country. i'm sure that she did heve— country. i'm sure that she did have problems— country. i'm sure that she did have problems within the palace, i'm have problems within the palace, h-m het— have problems within the palace, i'm sure. but this— have problems within the palace, i'm sure. but this is— have problems within the palace, i'm sure. but this is not the way— i'm sure. but this is not the wew te— i'm sure. but this is not the wew te te— i'm sure. but this is not the wew te te h.— i'm sure. but this is not the way to do it. you- i'm sure. but this is not the way to do it. you do not air all weer— way to do it. you do not air all weer temhtw— way to do it. you do not air all your family problems in public ehe— your family problems in public eht wrhte— your family problems in public eht wrhte e— your family problems in public and write a book— your family problems in public and write a book and get paid ten and write a book and get paid he too— and write a book and get paid ten 100 million— and write a book and get paid ten 100 million for a netflix ehew— ten 100 million for a netflix ehew. rte— ten 100 million for a netflix ehew. ht-e teet— ten 100 million for a netflix show. it's just it's ridiculous. weehhh— show. it's just it's ridiculous. weetth-t her— show. it's just it's ridiculous. wouldn't her appear- show. it's just it's ridiculous. wouldn't her appear at- show. it's just it's ridiculous. wouldn't her appear at the coronation give her and harry the opportunity to bury the hatchet? oh, it would. yeah. but she hatchet? oh, it would. yeah. but ehe hee— hatchet? oh, it would. yeah. but ehe hee he— hatchet? oh, it would. yeah. but she has no interest— hatchet? oh, it would. yeah. but she has no interest in— t7 oh, it would. yeah. but she has no interest in doing thet— she has no interest in doing that because— she has no interest in doing that because once they bury the heme.— that because once they bury the hetehet. ehe— that because once they bury the hatchet, she ceases to be of any relevance whatsoever because thew-re— relevance whatsoever because thew-re-ehether- relevance whatsoever because they're another part of the they're just another part of the hewet— they're just another part of the heweh remhtw. — they're just another part of the royal family. then her entire. raison_should raison d'etre is that she should be raison d'etre is that she should he eemethhhg— raison d'etre is that she should be something else. she should be a be something else. she should be e-ptee.— be something else. she should be e-ptee. ahe— be something else. she should be a-plus. and-fact- be something else. she should be a plus. and fact that a royal plus. and the fact that ehe— a royal plus. and the fact that ehe-eeme— a royal plus. and the fact that ehe-eeme te— a royal plus. and the fact that she _come to the - she won't come to the coronation,— she won't come to the coronation, think is rightly

coronation, i think is rightly a to coronation, i think is rightly a te he— coronation, i think is rightly a to be celebrated— coronation, i think is rightly a to be celebrated because it thet— to be celebrated because it means that the— to be celebrated because it means that the focus will be on his means that the focus will be on the-ehe— means that the focus will be on the-ehe het— means that the focus will be on his-and not on- means that the focus will be on his-and not on this- his majesty and not on this eppetthhg— his majesty and not on this appalling sideshow. yes, she eheett— appalling sideshow. yes, she eheett-hh— appalling sideshow. yes, she should in california should stay in california forever. _thinkj should stay in california. forever.-think it's forever. yes. and i think it's going— forever. yes. and i think it's going to— forever. yes. and i think it's going toipretty- forever. yes. and i think it's going to pretty quick. harry going to be pretty quick. harry wm— going to be pretty quick. harry win—out- going to be pretty quick. harry will—out and- going to be pretty quick. harry will—out and geti will come in and out and get out.— will come in and out and get out-but— will come in and out and get out-but ifs— will come in and out and get out.-but it's not- will come in and out and get out. but it's not even out. yeah, but it's not even about— out. yeah, but it's not even about what— out. yeah, but it's not even about what the— out. yeah, but it's not even about what the royal family did or awn-t— about what the royal family did or awn-t do— about what the royal family did or didn't do to— about what the royal family did or didn't do to her.— about what the royal family did or didn't do to her. it's about the— or didn't do to her. it's about the fact— or didn't do to her. it's about the tact-t— or didn't do to her. it's about the fact-i mean,- or didn't do to her. it's about the fact i mean, they've the fact that i mean, they've been — the fact that i mean, they've been emailing— the fact that i mean, they've been emailing the palace temtnttng— been emailing the palace demanding and demanding demanding this and demanding an apology— demanding this and demanding an tpotogy—tt- demanding this and demanding an tpotogy—tt what?- apology. an apology for what.7 oh, apology. an apology for what?| oh,_extraordinary. oh, the hubris is extraordinary. ant— oh, the hubris is extraordinary.| and—absolutely and i think david is absolutely ttgtt. — and i think david is absolutely ttgtt. .cttttes— and i think david is absolutely right. .charles has- and i think david is absolutely right. charles has just right. king charles has just ant— right. king charles has just risen. and william, they've just teen— risen. and william, they've just etete— risen. and william, they've just risen above it.— risen. and william, they've just risen above it. they have not responded— risen above it. they have not responded .— risen above it. they have not responded . and— risen above it. they have not responded . and that is the only responded. and that is the only way— responded. and that is the only way te— responded. and that is the only way to teet— responded. and that is the only way to deal with— responded. and that is the only way to deal with harry and meghan,— way to deal with harry and meghan, net— way to deal with harry and meghan, not even give them any apology,— meghan, not even give them any epetegy, any,— meghan, not even give them any epetegy, any, any— meghan, not even give them any apology, any, any just not even fespond- — apology, any, any just not even eeteet. .— apology, any, any just not even respond. i think— apology, any, any just not even respond. i think that- apology, any, any just not even respond. i think that you know, king charles is head of the church and a big part of christianity is forgiveness . i christianity is forgiveness. i don't think this is spoken about enough , really, and that i think enough, really, and that i think that he has acted with such dignity . i that he has acted with such dignity. i think he's in pieces and he is holding out the deeply embarrassing. he's deeply embarrassing. he's deeply embarrassing. he's deeply embarrassing. he's holding out the olive branch to his prodigal

son. well, and he would be delighted . and he in a way , he delighted. and he in a way, he needs to behave like that to show an example of how a good father behaves in family disputes. yes. and he's done that— disputes. yes. and he's done that tn— disputes. yes. and he's done that tn spate. — t: yes. and he's done that in spain. indeed and teeter— that in spain. indeed and another good— that in spain. indeed and another good example would be his another good example would be tte teeter,— another good example would be his brother, william. but there you— his brother, william. but there you go. — his brother, william. but there you go. how— his brother, william. but there you go. how about your headline heroe— you go. how about your headline uetoe uovtte— you go. how about your headline hero.7 david? i'm— you go. how about your headline hero.7 david? i'm picking you go. how about your headline hero? david? i'm picking the tutooeou— hero? david? i'm picking the european space— hero? david? i'm picking the european space agency because i tttut— european space agency because i tttut tt-e— european space agency because i think it's wonderful that in a tee— think it's wonderful that in a true ot— think it's wonderful that in a time of constant— think it's wonderful that in a time of constant talk about net zero, when we've— time of constant talk about net zero, when we've got rid of coueotte— zero, when we've got rid of concorde and _ zero, when we've got rid of concorde and we seem to be retrenchme— concorde and we seem to be retrenching technologically, we seem-te— retrenching technologically, we seem . be closing _ retrenching technologically, we seem be closing down the seem to be closing down the borders— seem to be closing down the borders ot— seem to be closing down the borders of our— seem to be closing down the borders of our exploration of the— borders of our exploration of the uottt — borders of our exploration of the world and— borders of our exploration of the world and of— borders of our exploration of the world and of space. m; the world and of space. we've we've suddenly— the world and of space. we've we've suddenly reversed that and decided going to go decided that we're going to go into we're going to try into space, we're going to try and more. look beyond the and do more. look beyond the borders own planet. borders of our own planet. i think is wonderful. it think this is wonderful. it gives hope. no, emma's not happy. we've up happy. no, no. we've messed up this barely even this world. we can barely even run country . oh, i this world. we can barely even run country. oh, i don't run a country. oh, i don't agree. and we're planning go run a country. oh, i don't agremakei we're planning go run a country. oh, i don't agremake ave're planning go run a country. oh, i don't agremake a mess)lanning go run a country. oh, i don't agremake a mess ofnning go run a country. oh, i don't agremake a mess of outer go run a country. oh, i don't agre make a mess of outer space. and make a mess of outer space. we're going to explore. we're going to see what's there. all right. well, there you go, spotte- — right. well, there you go, sports. see—

right. well, there you go, sparks. see what?- ” g well, there you go, sparks. , right. well, there you go, sparks. see what? see what can be found? our old people. what's the. it's what this sou-et— what's the. it's what this eou-et ott— what's the. it's what this show's all about. divided ootutoue— show's all about. divided opinions. liz— show's all about. divided opinions. liz briefly, you opinions. liz briefly, if you can:— opinions. liz briefly, if you can, your headline hero, alexi uovet— can, your headline hero, alexi uovet .— can, your headline hero, alexi uovet . tow,— can, your headline hero, alexi navel . now, who— can, your headline hero, alexi navel . now, who be he he he is navel. now, who be he he he is the teotet— navel. now, who be he he he is the teeter ot— navel. now, who be he he he is the leader of the— navel. now, who be he he he is the leader of the russian ooooetttou — the leader of the russian opposition. c: " c cit" opposition. he's in jail on trumped up fraud charges. i think he is such a hero. he's so brave . he was poisoned once and brave. he was poisoned once and now today , i read that they now today, i read that they suspect that he's also been poisoned again. yeah. and we don't know because we can't clarify anything because he's kept in this appalling jail. clarify anything because he's kept in this appalling jail . he kept in this appalling jail. he can't even stand up properly. he can't even stand up properly. he can't read. he is a hero. he is a can't read. he is a hero. he is o hero.— can't read. he is a hero. he is o teto. aut— can't read. he is a hero. he is a hero. and he's— can't read. he is a hero. he is a hero. and he's my- to?“ c : he is a hero. he is a hero. and he's my nomination tit?“ c : he is a hero. he is a hero. and he's my nomination . a hero. and he's my nomination. mott— a hero. and he's my nomination. ttott stewe— a hero. and he's my nomination. ttott steyu you. — a hero. and he's my nomination. mark steyn you. he— a hero. and he's my nomination. mark steyn you. he is officially the trout— mark steyn you. he is officially the trout toge— mark steyn you. he is officially the front page headline hero as i'm the front page headline hero as ten the— the front page headline hero as i'm the editor— the front page headline hero as i'm the editor of— the front page headline hero as i'm the editor of this virtual newspaper.— i'm the editor of this virtual newspaper. well— i'm the editor of this virtual newspaper. well done to greg and the team — newspaper. well done to greg and the team to— newspaper. well done to greg and the team for the— newspaper. well done to greg and the team for the lovely little groome— the team for the lovely little groptte ey— the team for the lovely little graphic by the_ the team for the lovely little graphic. by the way, the. thank you,— graphic. by the way, the. thank you, greg-— graphic. by the way, the. thank you, greg- t— graphic. by the way, the. thank you, greg- t got— graphic. by the way, the. thank you, eteg. t got on— graphic. by the way, the. thank you, greg. i got an email teeeutty— you, greg. i got an email recently-that- you, greg. i got an email- recently _that . news recently saying that gb news etoutt— recently saying that gb news. etoutt—cteet recently saying that gb news. eto out—cheek recently saying that gb news. sho our website _check recently saying that gb news sho our website gb check recently saying that gb news sho our website gb news. check recently saying that gb news sho our website gb news. okay.. out our website gb news. okay. very— out our website gb news. okay. very gutetty— out our website gb news. okay. very gutetty nou— out our website gb news. okay. very quickly now we're going to power— very quickly now we're going to power through— very quickly now we're going to power through the baddies. just a sentence each— power through the baddies. just a sentence each if— power through the baddies. just a sentence each if you can. tremo— a sentence each if you can. tmmo, you-re—

a sentence each if you can. emma, you're backstage . okay. emma, you're backstage. okay. touute— emma, you're backstage. okay. ttuute try— emma, you're backstage. okay. baddie my baddie— emma, you're backstage. okay. baddie my baddielprince- emma, you're backstage. okay. baddie my baddie is prince for harry coming. okay, so there you go. stre— harry coming. okay, so there you go. she etrotee— harry coming. okay, so there you go. she strokes with— harry coming. okay, so there you go. she strokes with one- i g okay, so there you go. she strokes with one hand out— go. she strokes with one hand out-utte— go. she strokes with one hand and-with the— go. she strokes with one hand and with the other. david, and slaps with the other. david, your— and slaps with the other. david, your toetetoge— and slaps with the other. david, your backstage back page baddie mentored— your backstage back page baddie mentioned learlier_ your backstage back page baddie mentioned earlier. your backstage back page baddie mentioned earlier . mentioned it earlier. the netherlands— mentioned it earlier. the netherlands allowing netherlands for allowing children to murdered children under 12 to be murdered because happen to be ill. because they happen to be ill. i think anybody who advocates euthanasia this country needs euthanasia in this country needs to happening in to look at what's happening in canada netherlands canada in the in the netherlands and it is abhorrent and in belgium. it is abhorrent and in belgium. it is abhorrent and should be condemned. and and it should be condemned. and then, lizzie, i think you've- then, lizzie, i think you've got a then, lizzie, i think you've got o toot,— then, lizzie, i think you've got o toot, toot,— then, lizzie, i think you've got a back, back, back— then, lizzie, i think you've got a back, back, back page baddie trot— a back, back, back page baddie that we— a back, back, back page baddie that we eer— a back, back, back page baddie that we can all— a back, back, back page baddie that we can all agree on. xi jihpi“9r_ that we can all agree on. xi jinping, because— that we can all agree on. xi jinping, because he he he said he wanted— jinping, because he he he said he wanted to— jinping, because he he he said he wanted to be— jinping, because he he he said he wanted to be to remarket ttmeett— he wanted to be to remarket ttmeett oe— he wanted to be to remarket himself as being lovable at the true— himself as being lovable at the ttme oe— himself as being lovable at the same time as facing up to torture. — same time as facing up to torture. tur— same time as facing up to taiwan. i'm sure- same time as facing up to taiwan. i'm sure that they're going to go in and invade taiwan for sure. deeply troubling tttug. — for sure. deeply troubling trtrg. wett— for sure. deeply troubling thing. well, look,- ”ti: deeply troubling thing. well, look, i'm going to tru— thing. well, look, i'm going to ten gotrrg— thing. well, look, i'm going to ten gotug to— thing. well, look, i'm going to ten gotug to go— thing. well, look, i'm going to i'm going to go for prince harry for i'm going to go for prince harry tor tree— i'm going to go for prince harry tor the toot— i'm going to go for prince harry for the back page— i'm going to go for prince harry for the back page baddie closely tottouet— for the back page baddie closely tottouet ty— for the back page baddie closely tottouet ty xr — for the back page baddie closely followed by xi jinping. the reader— followed by xi jinping. the teeter ot— followed by xi jinping. the leader of the _ followed by xi jinping. the leader of the chinese communist party. — leader of the chinese communist party. toot,— leader of the chinese communist party. toot, rte— leader of the chinese communist party. look, it's been a brilliant— party. look, it's been a brilliant show. thank you for your— brilliant show. thank you for your company. — brilliant show. thank you for your company. enjoyed all the emote.— your company. enjoyed all the emote-tor— your company. enjoyed all the emails. _for my- your company. enjoyed all the emails. for my brilliant emails. thanks for my brilliant guests.— emails. thanks for my brilliant guests-amazing— emails. thanks for my brilliant

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