good evening and welcome along to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio. with me , darren tv and on radio. with me, darren grimes.— tv and on radio. with me, darren enmes- tonight— « a“: ”a: with me, darren grimes. tonight following a « 3“: ”3: with me, darren grimes. tonight following a say naughty— grimes. tonight following a say naughty um— grimes. tonight following a say naughty ulez rally in trafalgar square.— naughty ulez rally in trafalgar square. earlier— naughty ulez rally in trafalgar square. earlier on. we're in for fierce— square. earlier on. we're in for some fierce debate on sadiq khan-s— some fierce debate on sadiq khan-s plans— some fierce debate on sadiq khan's plans to— some fierce debate on sadiq khan's plans to extend the ulez . and— khan's plans to extend the ulez . and you— khan's plans to extend the ulez zone . and you can— khan's plans to extend the ulez zone . and you can bet your zone. and you can bet your bottom— zone. and you can bet your bottom dollar— zone. and you can bet your bottom dollar there's been protests— bottom dollar there's been protests at— bottom dollar there's been protests at the— bottom dollar there's been protests at the grand national at protests at the grand national tt attttee— protests at the grand national at aintree today— protests at the grand national at aintree today ._ protests at the grand national at aintree today . we'll be at aintree today. we'll be tettttng— at aintree today. we'll be debating whether racing is a emet— debating whether racing is a cttet ston— debating whether racing is a cruel sport and— debating whether racing is a cruel sport and we're looking at tntnny— cruel sport and we're looking at uncanny animal— cruel sport and we're looking at uncanny animal imitators. they

are uncanny animal imitators. they potatoes— uncanny animal imitators. they are potatoes that— uncanny animal imitators. they are potatoes that look like tntnttn — are potatoes that look like animals. it's— are potatoes that look like animals. it's after a warwickshire mum spotted a animals. it's after a— warwickshire mum spotted a seal in warwickshire mum spotted a seal tn t— warwickshire mum spotted a seal tn t peel— warwickshire mum spotted a seal tn t tent ant— warwickshire mum spotted a seal in a peel and send— warwickshire mum spotted a seal in a peel and send us in your ntctnnn— in a peel and send us in your ntctnns. tt— in a peel and send us in your pictures. if you've— in a peel and send us in your pictures. if you've ever come across an animal— pictures. if you've ever come across an animal imitating spont- — across an animal imitating spont- att— across an animal imitating not at ot— across an animal imitating sport. all of that and more contng— sport. all of that and more contng tn.— sport. all of that and more coming up. but— sport. all of that and more coming up. but first, here's an update— coming up. but first, here's an update on— coming up. but first, here's an nntnte on tne— coming up. but first, here's an update on the latest news from tttttnt— update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez— update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez ._ update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . _ update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . “j3””t:i;“ update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez. t tatiana sanchez. darren, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. nine people have been arrested after a large number of protesters tried to enter the course at the grand national. the start of the race was delayed for a short period of time after animal rights protesters entered the course at aintree. three people were also arrested earlier today on suspicion of conspiracy to cause pubuc suspicion of conspiracy to cause public nuisance, demonstrate . public nuisance, demonstrate. haters say the race is cruel with 60 horses dying at the festival in the past 23 years. and it was crack rambler who ultimately won the race. the government is under pressure to

prevent the most extreme nurses strike. yet after the latest pay offer was rejected , members from offer was rejected, members from the rcn voted against the 5% pay rise, meaning the nhs nurses and emergency department intensive care and cancer wards will take industrial action for the first time. the 48 hour walkout will start on the 30th of april, but 74% of unison members voted to accept the same offer should business secretary jonathan reynolds says labour would aboush reynolds says labour would abolish the non—dom status to help ease the nhs crisis. i'd say what we can tell \t ti” i'd say what we can tell from \t i” i'd say what we can tell from what we've seen yesterday is first of all we've seen yesterday is first of at t— we've seen yesterday is first of all a resolution— we've seen yesterday is first of all a resolution is— we've seen yesterday is first of all a resolution is relatively tenet — all a resolution is relatively eeeet t— all a resolution is relatively close. i think— all a resolution is relatively close. i think the government enentt— close. i think the government enentt neve— close. i think the government should have negotiated sooner tnte— should have negotiated sooner tnte-nte— should have negotiated sooner this-was always- this year. this was always resolvable. _ this year. this was always resolvable. been resolvable. this has always been us resolvable. this has always been us—ttt— resolvable. this has always been us—tnt tt-e— resolvable. this has always been us_but it's also- resolvable. this has always been us but it's also been us about pay, but it's also been attent— us about pay, but it's also been about tne— us about pay, but it's also been about the burden,— us about pay, but it's also been about the burden, the workload, tns— about the burden, the workload, tns etttt— about the burden, the workload, tns etttt te— about the burden, the workload, nhs staff are under. and if you tate— nhs staff are under. and if you ttte-nttn— nhs staff are under. and if you take - plan, which - nhs staff are under. and if you take plan, which is to take our plan, which is to ttetten— take our plan, which is to abolish the— take our plan, which is to abolish the non—dom super tax tegtne— abolish the non—dom super tax regime-very— abolish the non—dom super tax regime very wealthy people , regime for very wealthy people, use regime for very wealthy people, tntt— regime for very wealthy people, use that revenue— regime for very wealthy people, use that revenue over £3 billion to expand— use that revenue over £3 billion to expand tne— use that revenue over £3 billion to expand the nhs— use that revenue over £3 billion to expand the nhs workforce, ten-te— to expand the nhs workforce, ten-re giving— to expand the nhs workforce, you're giving people some hope to expand the nhs workforce, you'isome ng people some hope to expand the nhs workforce, you'isome of people some hope to expand the nhs workforce, you'isome of the ple some hope to expand the nhs workforce, you'isome of the pressures hope that some of the pressures tnet-te—

that some of the pressures they're -future - that some of the pressures they're future are they're under in future are going— they're under in future are going-resolved.- they're under in future are going resolved. and going to be resolved. and i tntnt— going to be resolved. and i tntnt-ttt— going to be resolved. and i think all they've think that's all they've ever tenet— think that's all they've ever asked government . think that's all they've ever- asked-government . the asked from the government. the statew— asked from the government. the shadow armed— asked from the government. the shadow armed forces minister has told shadow armed forces minister has tett en— shadow armed forces minister has tett en tene— shadow armed forces minister has tett en news t— shadow armed forces minister has told gb news a blind eye is bent— told gb news a blind eye is being turned— told gb news a blind eye is being turned to— told gb news a blind eye is being turned to predators around nettttnent— being turned to predators around parliament that— being turned to predators around parliament that luke pollard has teeentet— parliament that luke pollard has described westminster as the nest— described westminster as the most unprofessional workplace nee— most unprofessional workplace he's encountered— most unprofessional workplace he's encountered . g he's encountered. speaking to gloria de piero , the mp who gloria de piero, the mp who recently announced he'll step back from politics, says victims of abuse and bullying are repeatedly being let down. i still don't think westminster is a still don't think westminster is t ente— still don't think westminster is t ette nttee— still don't think westminster is n ente nttee te— still don't think westminster is a safe place to work, especially for a safe place to work, especially ten ment— a safe place to work, especially ten ntnt et— a safe place to work, especially for many of the— a safe place to work, especially for many of the young members of etttt— for many of the young members of etttt tntt— for many of the young members of etttt tntt ttte— for many of the young members of staff that mps employ. and we knew— staff that mps employ. and we knew tntt— staff that mps employ. and we know that there _ staff that mps employ. and we know that there are predators etennt— know that there are predators around westminster that are eennetee— around westminster that are eennetee te— around westminster that are sometimes is allowed to continue to sometimes is allowed to continue te et— sometimes is allowed to continue te en t— sometimes is allowed to continue te en t tttnt— sometimes is allowed to continue to or a blind eye— sometimes is allowed to continue to or a blind eye turned . and i to or a blind eye turned. and i went— to or a blind eye turned. and i went te— to or a blind eye turned. and i went te see— to or a blind eye turned. and i want to see that— to or a blind eye turned. and i want to see that changed because i want to see that changed because t tntnt— want to see that changed because i think westminster— want to see that changed because i think westminster should entett— i think westminster should entety tne— i think westminster should embody the very best of our centre— embody the very best of our eenntty .— embody the very best of our eenntty . tt— embody the very best of our country . it should be a place country. it should be a place tnet— country. it should be a place tnnt neente— country. it should be a place that people aspire to get eteetet— that people aspire to get elected to _ that people aspire to get elected to and then want to enenge— elected to and then want to ennnge tne— elected to and then want to change the world from a position of change the world from a position et ettenetn. — change the world from a position of strength. and— change the world from a position of strength. and i'm afraid at tne— of strength. and i'm afraid at tne-t— of strength. and i'm afraid at the-i sometimes- of strength. and i'm afraid at the i sometimes feel the moment i sometimes feel weetntnetet— the moment i sometimes feel westminster-the- the moment i sometimes feel westminster the rest of the westminster lets the rest of the centre— westminster lets the rest of the entry tenn. — westminster lets the rest of the country down. so— westminster lets the rest of the country down. ti3" westminster lets the rest of the country down. i " country down. so you can see that full interview with the

shadow forces minister shadow armed forces minister luke on gloria meets luke pollard on gloria meets tomorrow at p.m. demonstrators tomorrow at 6 pm. demonstrators have gathered in london's trafalgar square to protest against the expansion of the ultra low emission zone . if it ultra low emission zone. if it goes ahead, drivers in outer london will have to pay £12.50 a day. if their vehicles don't meet emission standards. five conservative led councils have launched legal action against the plans. but the mayor of london's office calls the challenge costly and misguided and argues the proposal is life saving around a quarter of young people are living in poor quality housing, according to the latest research. think tank. the resolution foundation says 26% of 18 to 24 year olds live in damp buildings with no electricity, heating or plumbing. the company also found that those living in such conditions are twice as likely to experience ill health. and the scottish government is considering drafting in the army as a replacement for a key

highland ferry service. the ship that normally makes the five minute crossing of loch linni broke down last friday, leading to a 42 mile diversion . it to a 42 mile diversion. it normally carries more than 270,000 cars a year . a foot 270,000 cars a year. a foot passenger service is operating twice a day . tv online , dab, twice a day. tv online, dab, radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to . news. now it's back to. darren welcome to neil oliver live with me, darren grimes, the man himself will be back this time next week. but first up, i want to next week. but first up, i want te tatt— next week. but first up, i want te tett te— next week. but first up, i want te tett te you— next week. but first up, i want to talk to you about- "nix. but first up, i want to talk to you about elon musk teeetee— to talk to you about elon musk teeenee ne— to talk to you about elon musk because he this— to talk to you about elon musk because he this week the twitter ent, et— because he this week the twitter owner and, of course, tech titan , ne — owner and, of course, tech titan , ne eet— owner and, of course, tech titan , ne eet tenn — owner and, of course, tech titan , he sat down with— owner and, of course, tech titan , he sat down with james ctetten— , he sat down with james clayton, who's- , he sat down with james clayton, who's a tech reporter tren— clayton, who's a tech reporter tten nec— clayton, who's a tech reporter from bbc north— clayton, who's a tech reporter from bbc north america for the bee,— from bbc north america for the etc, nnten— from bbc north america for the bbc, which the— from bbc north america for the bbc, which the government nnnnntt— bbc, which the government

primarily funds, of course, tntengn— primarily funds, of course, tntenen e— primarily funds, of course, through a mandatory licence fee ,teet— through a mandatory licence fee ,teet teete— through a mandatory licence fee , took issue with— through a mandatory licence fee , took issue with musk's tetetttne— , took issue with musk's labelling of— , took issue with musk's labelling of the government tnntet— labelling of the government tnntet tee— labelling of the government funded tag that was put across tnttten — funded tag that was put across tnttten tnte— funded tag that was put across twitter. this is— funded tag that was put across twitter. this is archaic and coercive taxation method though. in coercive taxation method though. tn nt— coercive taxation method though. tn my new— coercive taxation method though. tn ny tnet— coercive taxation method though. in my view that threatens imprisonment— in my view that threatens imprisonment of course, for non—compliance- imprisonment of course, for non—compliance or non—payment is tetetty— non—compliance or non—payment is tetttty attent— non—compliance or non—payment is totally absurd in— non—compliance or non—payment is totally absurd in today's modern tteeteeettng— totally absurd in today's modern broadcasting landscape asap. nowt _ broadcasting landscape asap. new, teentte— broadcasting landscape asap. now, despite the bbc's lofty neetnttene— now, despite the bbc's lofty aspirations, i've— now, despite the bbc's lofty aspirations, i've no doubt of netttne— aspirations, i've no doubt of netttng tten— aspirations, i've no doubt of holding elon accountable for his tent— holding elon accountable for his tent tet— holding elon accountable for his ttgnt ten tree— holding elon accountable for his fight for free speech on the nutte— fight for free speech on the public platform. the reporter enttet— public platform. the reporter enttet et— public platform. the reporter arrived at twitter hq in the deneetet— arrived at twitter hq in the democrat run— arrived at twitter hq in the democrat run crime ridden nettnete— democrat run crime ridden hellhole of— democrat run crime ridden hellhole of san— democrat run crime ridden hellhole of san francisco. tetetty— hellhole of san francisco. totally unprepared to challenge the totally unprepared to challenge tne teen— totally unprepared to challenge the tech mogul.— totally unprepared to challenge the tech mogul. he failed to nteeent— the tech mogul. he failed to present evidence to support his etteete— present evidence to support his etteete en— present evidence to support his attacks on elon— present evidence to support his attacks on elon musk, who tntetty— attacks on elon musk, who tnetty, tn— attacks on elon musk, who tnetty, tn ny— attacks on elon musk, who briefly, in my view , who stands briefly, in my view, who stands up tet— briefly, in my view, who stands up ten tne— briefly, in my view, who stands up for the free— briefly, in my view, who stands up for the free speech rights of we wttn— up for the free speech rights of we with dissenting voices and of

wtttety— we with dissenting voices and of course, hillary clinton's deplorables_ course, hillary clinton's deplorables as the bbc's north anettee— deplorables as the bbc's north anettee teen— deplorables as the bbc's north america tech reporterjames america tech reporter james cteyten— america tech reporter james clayton turned— america tech reporter james clayton turned up with a load of tezy— clayton turned up with a load of tezy twent— clayton turned up with a load of lazy liberal left— clayton turned up with a load of lazy liberal left accusations newnt— lazy liberal left accusations around hateful— lazy liberal left accusations around hateful content on twtttet— around hateful content on twtttet ,— around hateful content on twitter , mr. _ around hateful content on twitter , mr. clayton asserted twitter, mr. clayton asserted tntt— twitter, mr. clayton asserted tntt net— twitter, mr. clayton asserted that he'd seen— twitter, mr. clayton asserted that he'd seen more hateful eentent— that he'd seen more hateful eentent en— that he'd seen more hateful content on his— that he'd seen more hateful content on his timeline, but tette— content on his timeline, but tette wnen— content on his timeline, but folks, when musk challenged the bbc folks, when musk challenged the tee tennnet— folks, when musk challenged the bbc journal for— folks, when musk challenged the bbc journal for specific exenetee— bbc journal for specific examples of— bbc journal for specific examples of hate that he'd seen on examples of hate that he'd seen en te— examples of hate that he'd seen en nte teet— examples of hate that he'd seen on his feed, guess— examples of hate that he'd seen on his feed, guess what the tewtnettet— on his feed, guess what the journalist couldn't offer a etntte— journalist couldn't offer a etntte ene— journalist couldn't offer a single one cause musk to accuse the single one cause musk to accuse tne tewnettet— single one cause musk to accuse the journalist of— single one cause musk to accuse the journalist of lying after he eett— the journalist of lying after he ettt ne— the journalist of lying after he said he couldn't— the journalist of lying after he said he couldn't give an example teetwee— said he couldn't give an example teeewee te— said he couldn't give an example because is somewhat confusingly, he because is somewhat confusingly, ne teen-t— because is somewhat confusingly, ne nten-t teet— because is somewhat confusingly, he hasn't used twitter in the teet— he hasn't used twitter in the ttet nentn— he hasn't used twitter in the last month or— he hasn't used twitter in the last month or so— he hasn't used twitter in the last month or so . “tit; i last month or so. yes, because you— last month or so. yes, because you can't give me a single example of hateful content, not even one tweet. and yet your claimed that the hateful content was high . well, that's a false . was high. well, that's a false. no, what i. you just lied. what no, what i. you just lied. what no, no. what? i it's incredible

. imean, no, no. what? i it's incredible . i mean, you might think i mean, you might think that . i mean, you might think that net— . i mean, you might think that net te— i mean, you might think that he'd be embarrassed, but. no if enytntnt,— he'd be embarrassed, but. no if enytntnt, tette— he'd be embarrassed, but. no if anything, folks, he— he'd be embarrassed, but. no if anything, folks, he doubled tewn— anything, folks, he doubled tewn. vet— anything, folks, he doubled down. you see,— anything, folks, he doubled down. you see, at the time when i down. you see, at the time when t wee— down. you see, at the time when twee tntnttnt— down. you see, at the time when i was thinking about it, i had tennee— i was thinking about it, i had tennee et— i was thinking about it, i had tonnes of examples of hate eteeen — tonnes of examples of hate eneeen tnet— tonnes of examples of hate speech that i— tonnes of examples of hate speech that i could have given him— speech that i could have given hm, tet— speech that i could have given hm, tet t— speech that i could have given him, but i didn't— speech that i could have given him, but i didn't want to eenttnwe— him, but i didn't want to continue to— him, but i didn't want to continue to go- him, but i didn't want to continue to go down that path. vee— continue to go down that path. vet teet— continue to go down that path. vet teet ttn — continue to go down that path. you hear him there? oh,- continue to go down that path. /t:::t. 3 “m1?” oh, if continue to go down that path. /t:t. " t”t::;?’ oh, if only you hear him there? oh, if only i had all you hear him there? oh, if only t net ett et— you hear him there? oh, if only i had all of this— you hear him there? oh, if only i had all of this bank- you hear him there? oh, if only i had all of this bank of- i had all of this bank of ewtenee— i had all of this bank of ewtenee .— i had all of this bank of evidence . i— i had all of this bank of evidence . i mean, clayton then evidence. i mean, clayton then eeetnt— evidence. i mean, clayton then eeetnt te— evidence. i mean, clayton then eeetnt te ntte— evidence. i mean, clayton then sought to hide behind the think tentete— sought to hide behind the think tentete ent— sought to hide behind the think tankers and pro—censorship tettytete— tankers and pro—censorship lobbyists like— tankers and pro—censorship lobbyists like the institute for sttetette— lobbyists like the institute for strategic dialogue . now, this strategic dialogue. now, this tnetttete— strategic dialogue. now, this institute writes— strategic dialogue. now, this institute writes reports and eente— institute writes reports and eente tte— institute writes reports and sends its people out to meet the twee— sends its people out to meet the tttee et— sends its people out to meet the tttee et tne— sends its people out to meet the likes of the bbc.— sends its people out to meet the likes of the bbc. sharon, of course , their— likes of the bbc. sharon, of course , their worldview and that course, their worldview and that of course, their worldview and that et tne — course, their worldview and that et tne wnttet— course, their worldview and that of the united nations and the wett— of the united nations and the world economic— of the united nations and the world economic forum and others , eeteetetty— world economic forum and others , eeteetetty wnen— world economic forum and others , especially when it— world economic forum and others , especially when it comes to tne— , especially when it comes to tne — , especially when it comes to tne et— , especially when it comes to the issue of climate, in which enettente— the issue of climate, in which challenge and— the issue of climate, in which challenge and teenage truant teete— challenge and teenage truant greta thunberg_ challenge and teenage truant greta thunberg erg sees you're eeeeeet— greta thunberg erg sees you're eeeeeet et— greta thunberg erg sees you're accused of disinformation. the tnetttete— accused of disinformation. the institute labelled _ accused of disinformation. the institute labelled tweets ettttetetnt— institute labelled tweets criticising the - institute labelled tweets criticising the wef and the

billionaire— criticising the wef and the billionaire george soros as anti—semitic,— billionaire george soros as anti—semitic, allowing the bbc to anti—semitic, allowing the bbc te ettee— anti—semitic, allowing the bbc te entee tnet— anti—semitic, allowing the bbc to argue that hateful speech was tnetetete— to argue that hateful speech was therefore rising _ to argue that hateful speech was therefore rising on— to argue that hateful speech was therefore rising on twitter . therefore rising on twitter. tnte— therefore rising on twitter. tnte te— therefore rising on twitter. tnte te e— therefore rising on twitter. this is a remarkable attack on ent— this is a remarkable attack on ent ttentty— this is a remarkable attack on and frankly, the— this is a remarkable attack on and frankly, the very fake news we— and frankly, the very fake news we tne — and frankly, the very fake news that the likes— and frankly, the very fake news that the likes of— and frankly, the very fake news that the likes of the bbc like to that the likes of the bbc like te we— that the likes of the bbc like to wax lyrical— that the likes of the bbc like to wax lyrical about until the cows come home— to wax lyrical about until the cows come home about the dangers of cows come home about the dangers et tey— cows come home about the dangers et tey tn— cows come home about the dangers et tey tn ent— cows come home about the dangers et tey tn ent tey— cows come home about the dangers of day in and day out. these teette— of day in and day out. these teette went— of day in and day out. these teette went e— of day in and day out. these people want a return to the days wnen— people want a return to the days wnen e— people want a return to the days wnen e eettetn— people want a return to the days when a certain that— people want a return to the days when a certain that women aren't weett— when a certain that women aren't men would lead— when a certain that women aren't men would lead to— when a certain that women aren't men would lead to an instant ban teen— men would lead to an instant ban teen ttettetne— men would lead to an instant ban from platforms like— men would lead to an instant ban from platforms like twitter . from platforms like twitter. they— from platforms like twitter. tney went— from platforms like twitter. tney went e— from platforms like twitter. they want a return to the days of they want a return to the days et tne— they want a return to the days et tne te— they want a return to the days of the de facto— they want a return to the days of the de facto public square tnet— of the de facto public square that twitter— of the de facto public square that twitter now— of the de facto public square that twitter now is being free of that twitter now is being free et tneee — that twitter now is being free of those views. _ that twitter now is being free of those views. who might well newe — of those views. who might well newe wetet— of those views. who might well have voted for— of those views. who might well have voted for brexit or for tente— have voted for brexit or for trump? because folks, they view us trump? because folks, they view ee ee tenet— trump? because folks, they view ee ee teetet ,— trump? because folks, they view us as racist , as— trump? because folks, they view us as racist, as sexist, as ttenetnette— us as racist, as sexist, as ttenetnette ,— us as racist, as sexist, as transphobic , or- us as racist, as sexist, as transphobic , or as climate transphobic, or as climate tentete— transphobic, or as climate tentete. any— transphobic, or as climate deniers. any ism or phobia you tntnt— deniers. any ism or phobia you tntnt et— deniers. any ism or phobia you tntnt et ,— deniers. any ism or phobia you can think of, instead of being pro— can think of, instead of being tte tettet— can think of, instead of being pro border controls or pro men in pro border controls or pro men tn eeetety— pro border controls or pro men tn eeetety ,— pro border controls or pro men in society , motty_ pro border controls or pro men in society , motty or pro single in society, motty or pro single eeteee te— in society, motty or pro single sex spaces is pro— in society, motty or pro single sex spaces is pro science and

teetten— sex spaces is pro science and teetten wnen— sex spaces is pro science and realism when it— sex spaces is pro science and realism when it comes to teteetnt— realism when it comes to reducing carbon emissions and or so reducing carbon emissions and or ee en ent— reducing carbon emissions and or so on and so forth.— reducing carbon emissions and or so on and so forth. this bbc ee—eettet— so on and so forth. this bbc so—called journalist who is less tewnettet— so—called journalist who is less journalist and— so—called journalist who is less journalist and more activist sat wttn— journalist and more activist sat wttn tten— journalist and more activist sat with elon musk— journalist and more activist sat with elon musk for an hour bupa and with elon musk for an hour bupa ent net— with elon musk for an hour bupa ent net ence— with elon musk for an hour bupa ent net ,— with elon musk for an hour bupa and not once , not— with elon musk for an hour bupa and not once , not one single and not once, not one single tne— and not once, not one single ttne ttt— and not once, not one single ttne ttt ne— and not once, not one single time did he ask— and not once, not one single time did he ask about the twtttet— time did he ask about the twitter files,— time did he ask about the twitter files, complete with etenee— twitter files, complete with etenee ,— twitter files, complete with etenee , et— twitter files, complete with stories , of course, as we know stories, of course, as we know et— stories, of course, as we know et e— stories, of course, as we know now, of a election— stories, of course, as we know now, of a election fixing of the et— now, of a election fixing of the et et— now, of a election fixing of the cover up of the— now, of a election fixing of the cover up of the hunter biden tettet— cover up of the hunter biden tettet etety— cover up of the hunter biden tettet etety ent— cover up of the hunter biden laptop story and the denial of tree— laptop story and the denial of ttee eteeen— laptop story and the denial of free speech amendment rights tnet— free speech amendment rights we tweet— free speech amendment rights that musk exposed upon his teteewet— that musk exposed upon his teteewet et— that musk exposed upon his takeover of the _ that musk exposed upon his takeover of the platform . um, in takeover of the platform. um, in my new— takeover of the platform. um, in my ,— takeover of the platform. um, in my , we— takeover of the platform. um, in my view , we must— takeover of the platform. um, in my view , we must never, ever let my view, we must never, ever let enytety— my view, we must never, ever let enytety tett— my view, we must never, ever let enytety tett ee— my view, we must never, ever let anybody tell us again that the ttt— anybody tell us again that the tee teeen-t— anybody tell us again that the bbc doesn't have— anybody tell us again that the bbc doesn't have an agenda teettte— bbc doesn't have an agenda despitet et— bbc doesn't have an agenda despite, of course, being a tettettetty— despite, of course, being a purportedly impartial broadcast for purportedly impartial broadcast tettne— purportedly impartial broadcast tet tne next— purportedly impartial broadcast for the next day— purportedly impartial broadcast for the next day after the elon tntentew— for the next day after the elon interview went— for the next day after the elon interview went viral across the tntetnet— interview went viral across the tntetnet ent— interview went viral across the internet and the— interview went viral across the internet and the bbc and its eettwete— internet and the bbc and its activists had— internet and the bbc and its activists had been thoroughly tttteetet— activists had been thoroughly ridiculed, they— activists had been thoroughly ridiculed, they published a eteee— ridiculed, they published a

piece seeking— ridiculed, they published a piece seeking to support its etetn— piece seeking to support its etetn et— piece seeking to support its claim of hate— piece seeking to support its claim of hate speech mean and eteeet— claim of hate speech mean and eteeen. tney— claim of hate speech mean and speech. they don't— claim of hate speech mean and speech. they don't like and wewe— speech. they don't like and tnet— speech. they don't like and views that they— speech. they don't like and views that they lament in this eteee.— views that they lament in this tteee. tney— views that they lament in this piece. they sought to conflate annette-e— piece. they sought to conflate america's free _ piece. they sought to conflate america's free speech amendment nette— america's free speech amendment ntnte wttn— america's free speech amendment ntnte wttn ,— america's free speech amendment ntnte wttn , yet— america's free speech amendment rights with , you guessed it, um, rights with, you guessed it, um, i rights with, you guessed it, um, t ttt— rights with, you guessed it, um, t ttt yet— rights with, you guessed it, um, t ttt yee net— rights with, you guessed it, um, i kid you not straight from the tezy— i kid you not straight from the tezy eety— i kid you not straight from the lazy gary lineker_ i kid you not straight from the lazy gary lineker playbook. this tntewtew— lazy gary lineker playbook. this interview ought— lazy gary lineker playbook. this interview ought to— lazy gary lineker playbook. this interview ought to serve as a tetent— interview ought to serve as a potent reminder— interview ought to serve as a potent reminder of the risks of ettewtnt — potent reminder of the risks of ettewtnt ew— potent reminder of the risks of allowing our speech to be censored in— allowing our speech to be censored in the- allowing our speech to be censored in the name of misinformation , in the name of misinformation, in the name of tete— misinformation, in the name of nete et— misinformation, in the name of hate or whatever— misinformation, in the name of hate or whatever else they want to hate or whatever else they want te ee— hate or whatever else they want te te — hate or whatever else they want te te tey— hate or whatever else they want to use to try and— hate or whatever else they want to use to try and tape your neetn— to use to try and tape your neetn enet— to use to try and tape your mouth shut and- to use to try and tape your mouth shut and remove your views teen— mouth shut and remove your views tten tettte— mouth shut and remove your views from public view.— mouth shut and remove your views from public view. now twitter nttnt— from public view. now twitter nttnt net— from public view. now twitter nttnt net te— from public view. now twitter might not be the— from public view. now twitter might not be the free speech. vetnette— might not be the free speech. valhalla that— might not be the free speech. valhalla that many of us would twe— valhalla that many of us would ttte tt— valhalla that many of us would ttte tt te— valhalla that many of us would ttte tt te te— valhalla that many of us would like it to be, but— valhalla that many of us would like it to be, but if— valhalla that many of us would like it to be, but if you ask met— like it to be, but if you ask me, under elon— like it to be, but if you ask me, under elon musk, it's a ettnt— me, under elon musk, it's a ettnt tettet— me, under elon musk, it's a sight better than it ever has teen. — sight better than it ever has teen. ant— sight better than it ever has teen. ant te— sight better than it ever has been. and is only the big tech eenteny.— been. and is only the big tech eenteny. tne— been. and is only the big tech company. the only one to be led by a— company. the only one to be led ty e en— company. the only one to be led ty e wne— company. the only one to be led by a man who genuinely believes wnet— by a man who genuinely believes wnet ne— by a man who genuinely believes wnet ne eeyee— by a man who genuinely believes wnet ne eeyee t— by a man who genuinely believes what he says? i want to leave you— what he says? i want to leave yee wttn— what he says? i want to leave yet wttn tnte— what he says? i want to leave

you with this quote by him ttneett— you with this quote by him ttneett .— you with this quote by him himself . aslef_ you with this quote by him himself . aslef in it, he says, himself. aslef in it, he says, tree— himself. aslef in it, he says, ttee eteeen— himself. aslef in it, he says, free speech is— himself. aslef in it, he says, free speech is meaningless eneeet— free speech is meaningless eneeet yet— free speech is meaningless unless you allow people you ten-t— unless you allow people you ten-t twe— unless you allow people you don't like to— unless you allow people you don't like to say— unless you allow people you don't like to say things you ten-t— don't like to say things you ten-t twe— don't like to say things you ten-t ttte .— don't like to say things you don't like . now,- don't like to say things you don't like . now, we used to know don't like. now, we used to know tne— don't like. now, we used to know the we— don't like. now, we used to know the we teet— don't like. now, we used to know this. we used to— don't like. now, we used to know this. we used to tolerate this. we this. we used to tolerate this. we teet— this. we used to tolerate this. we eeet te— this. we used to tolerate this. we used to accept this wholeheartedly . the bbc and wholeheartedly. the bbc and etnete— wholeheartedly. the bbc and etnete tney— wholeheartedly. the bbc and others, they might want us to go teet— others, they might want us to go teet te— others, they might want us to go teet te tetnt— others, they might want us to go back to being able— others, they might want us to go back to being able to silence tneee— back to being able to silence tneee tnet— back to being able to silence those that we— back to being able to silence those that we disagree with. but i those that we disagree with. but t ten-t— those that we disagree with. but t ten-t tntnt— those that we disagree with. but i don't think we— those that we disagree with. but i don't think we should let them eteeen — i don't think we should let them eteeen ent— i don't think we should let them speech and debate— i don't think we should let them speech and debate takes us twent— speech and debate takes us forward. these— speech and debate takes us forward. these censors want to tete— forward. these censors want to tete ee— forward. these censors want to take us backwards— forward. these censors want to take us backwards . now. all take us backwards. now. all of wet— take us backwards. now. all of we te— take us backwards. now. all of we te et— take us backwards. now. all of that is, of course,— take us backwards. now. all of that is, of course, my opinion , that is, of course, my opinion, ent— that is, of course, my opinion, ent yet— that is, of course, my opinion, ent yee ee— that is, of course, my opinion, and you are totally free. i'm tetttntet— and you are totally free. i'm tetttntet te— and you are totally free. i'm delighted to say, to disagree . delighted to say, to disagree. vee— delighted to say, to disagree. wee en— delighted to say, to disagree. you can email— delighted to say, to disagree. you can email gb views at tewe-ttt.— you can email gb views at gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as wett— gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as wet et— gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as wet et et— gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as well at gb news.— gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as well at gb news. now, joining me in well at gb news. now, joining me tn tne— well at gb news. now, joining me tn tne etette— well at gb news. now, joining me in the studio and— well at gb news. now, joining me in the studio and throughout the etew— in the studio and throughout the enew, eeteetty— in the studio and throughout the enew, eeteetty ,— in the studio and throughout the show, actually , tonight's panel show, actually, tonight's panel are show, actually, tonight's panel tetttteet— show, actually, tonight's panel are political commentator reem tttentn — are political commentator reem tttentn ent— are political commentator reem ibrahim and broadcaster and tewyet— ibrahim and broadcaster and lawyer andrew— ibrahim and broadcaster and lawyer andrew eborn. but joining me te—

lawyer andrew eborn. but joining me te eeteetty— lawyer andrew eborn. but joining me to actually discuss what i've teet— me to actually discuss what i've teet eett— me to actually discuss what i've teet eett tneee— me to actually discuss what i've just said there is— me to actually discuss what i've just said there is benjamin tettetwettn. — just said there is benjamin butterworth. first of all, now , butterworth. first of all, now, tententn— butterworth. first of all, now, tententn t— butterworth. first of all, now, benjamin, i dare— butterworth. first of all, now, benjamin, i dare say you are enenttnt— benjamin, i dare say you are enenttnt et— benjamin, i dare say you are chomping at the— benjamin, i dare say you are chomping at the bit to tell me tnet— chomping at the bit to tell me we t— chomping at the bit to tell me we t en— chomping at the bit to tell me that i am totally,— chomping at the bit to tell me that i am totally, completely ent— that i am totally, completely ent ettetty— that i am totally, completely and utterly wrong . and actually and utterly wrong. and actually the and utterly wrong. and actually tne ttt— and utterly wrong. and actually tne ttc te— and utterly wrong. and actually the bbc is the— and utterly wrong. and actually the bbc is the best thing since etteet— the bbc is the best thing since sliced bread.— the bbc is the best thing since sliced bread. well— the bbc is the best thing since sliced bread. well i mean, you are sliced bread. well i mean, you eenttetety— sliced bread. well i mean, you are completely wrong. o” ti.t:t. are completely wrong. of course, you are completely wrong. of course, yet eeneetty— are completely wrong. of course, you correctly predicted that that's got that's the only thing you got correct. you know, correct. i think, you know, i mean , look, think elon musk mean, look, i think elon musk believes in all, to be honest. he believes in being a billionaire and powerful he believes in being a billi toying and powerful he believes in being a billi toying with powerful he believes in being a billi toying with the powerful he believes in being a billi toying with the rest nerful he believes in being a billi toying with the rest of �*ful he believes in being a billi toying with the rest of the and toying with the rest of the media. that's why he enjoyed so much bbc interview and much the bbc interview and i think actually, kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat k actually, kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat leastially, kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat least felt, kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat least felt sorry kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat least felt sorry ford of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat least felt sorry for james al i at least felt sorry for james clayton, the reporter, because as it, he had 30 as i understand it, he had 30 minutes notice from the request to speak with elon musk to getting that getting the interview. so that slightly lack of slightly explains his lack of preparation. well, the bbc put in-fequestt_ preparation. well, the bbc put in-request,-right?l in the request, though, right? vee— in the request, though, right? wee—tnet- in the request, though, right? you _that they. in the request, though, right?- you _that they would you would think that they would do you would think that they would te-nenewett— you would think that they would do homework putting do their homework before putting in i do their homework before putting tn—t en- in the request. well, i mean, i ten-t— in the request. well, i mean, i ten-t tntnt— in the request. well, i mean, i don't think anyone expected him to don't think anyone expected him te eey— don't think anyone expected him te eey yee— don't think anyone expected him te eey yeeletene— don't think anyone expected him to say yes,.alone to- don't think anyone expected him to say yes, alone to say yes to say yes, let alone to say yes in to say yes, let alone to say yes tn nett— to say yes, let alone to say yes tn tett en— to say yes, let alone to say yes in half an -time.- to say yes, let alone to say yes in half an-time. - to say yes, let alone to say yes in half an-time. but. to say yes, let alone to say yes in half an time. in half an hour's time. but the teeth— in half an hour's time. but the teeth te— in half an hour's time. but the teeth te ttet— in half an hour's time. but the truth is that speech has truth is that hate speech has clearly up on twitter. clearly gone up on twitter. and in way is not being seen

in a way that is not being seen in a way that is not being seen in other platforms. so there was a done recently by the a study done recently by the centre countering digital centre for countering digital hate number of hate that found the number of hate crime tweets against black people had doubled him people had doubled from him taking gone up by a taking over. it had gone up by a third for homophobic tweets from him taking over. and you have accounts like that of andrew tate and donald trump, which frankly , think former frankly, i think the former owner, jack , as he was known at owner, jack, as he was known at jack, was right to remove those accounts because all they do is stir hatred in the real world. so one woman, though, from back in so one woman, though, from back tn tne— so one woman, though, from back tn tne ett— so one woman, though, from back tn tne ett teye— so one woman, though, from back in the old days of— so one woman, though, from back in the old days of twitter that you— in the old days of twitter that you mentioned— in the old days of twitter that you mentioned when mr. jack was the you mentioned when mr. jack was tne ttt,— you mentioned when mr. jack was the ceo,lwoman_ you mentioned when mr. jack was the ceo, woman was kicked off the ceo, a woman was kicked off the ceo, a woman was kicked off tne ttettetn,— the ceo, a woman was kicked off the platform, suspended for eeytnt— the platform, suspended for eeytnt-eten-t— the platform, suspended for saying aren't women . the platform, suspended for- saying-aren't women . well, i saying men aren't women. well, i t— saying men aren't women. well, i t ten-t— saying men aren't women. well, i mean, i don't know— saying men aren't women. well, i mean, i don't know exactly what was said on that. that's it. well, i mean, if they were well, i mean, look, if they were trying target transgender trying to target transgender people are using people who are also using twitter, social twitter, also using social media, afraid i think media, then i'm afraid i think that hate speech because the that is hate speech because the truth is that when one person says that tries to says something that tries to dismantle another person's very existence , then that's where i existence, then that's where i think the law should step in. but look, if you think elon musk

is a great bastion of free is such a great bastion of free speech, well, why did he remove cnn washington new cnn, washington post and new york journalists just for york times journalists just for tweeting how many short tweeting about how many short trips he takes in a private jet, putting his money where his mouth free speech, didn't he, by buying twitter? it was quite etenete— buying twitter? it was quite expensive. reem _ g 7 it was quite expensive. reem ibrahim, t; :”7 it was quite expensive. reem ibrahim, i want to expensive. reem ibrahim, i want te-yee— expensive. reem ibrahim, i want te-yee-yee- expensive. reem ibrahim, i want te-yee-yee tntntl to bring you in. do you think women should— to bring you in. do you think women should kicked off of women should be kicked off of twtttet— women should be kicked off of twitter-tweeting— twitter for tweeting that men een-t— twitter for tweeting that men- aren't_ absolutely aren't women? well, absolutely not. think we're not. but i think we're conflating a few things here. benjamin, you mentioned the law eeytnt— benjamin, you mentioned the law eeytnt-eneett— benjamin, you mentioned the law saying-should step- benjamin, you mentioned the law saying should step in, saying the law should step in, but saying the law should step in, ttt-tne— saying the law should step in, but-the-this- saying the law should step in, but-the-this is| but this isn't the law. this is a-meanyt- but this isn't the law. this is a company, twitter, a private company, twitter, that is a private company, twitter, that te—ent— a private company, twitter, that is_and deciding- is stepping in and deciding eettetty— is stepping in and deciding actually,_now| actually, elon musk is now tee— actually, elon musk is now tee tne— actually, elon musk is now become the head of the of twttten— become the head of the of twitter. he's— become the head of the of twitter. he's taken it over. we— twitter. he's taken it over. we e— twitter. he's taken it over. it's a private— twitter. he's taken it over.| it's a private-and twitter. he's taken it over.- it's a private-and he's it's a private company and he's enette— it's a private company and he's unable-decide— it's a private company and he's unable . decide the - it's a private company and he's unable decide the free speech unable to decide the free speech tewe— unable to decide the free speech laws effectively— unable to decide the free speech laws effectively on _ unable to decide the free speech laws effectively on that ttettetn. — laws effectively on that platform. so - laws effectively on that platform. so if he was actually to platform. so if he was actually te teete— platform. so if he was actually te aeaae, yee— platform. so if he was actually to decide, you know what, i want to decide, you know what, i want to _ restrictive - to completely restrictive ttettetn— to completely restrictive ttettetn ,— to completely restrictive ttettetn , t— to completely restrictive platform , i want to see all of platform, i want to see all of tne— platform, i want to see all of the transphobes,_ platform, i want to see all of the transphobes, the homophobes off the transphobes, the homophobes ett et— the transphobes, the homophobes ett et tnte— the transphobes, the homophobes off of this platform completely , eenttetety— off of this platform completely , completely censored. that's eenttetety— , completely censored. that's eenttetety et— , completely censored. that's completely up to— , completely censored. that's completely up to him because it's completely up to him because tt-e nte— completely up to him because it's his company— completely up to him because it's his company ._ completely up to him because it's his company. however, it ten-t.— it's his company. however, it ten-t. t— it's his company. however, it ten-t. t tntnt— it's his company. however, it isn't. i think need to be isn't. i think we need to be very— isn't. i think we need to be very eteee— isn't. i think we need to be very clear about— isn't. i think we need to be very clear about whether is very clear about whether this is the very clear about whether this is tne tew— very clear about whether this is the law versus—

very clear about whether this is the law versus a— very clear about whether this is the law versus a private eenteny— the law versus a private company. okay andrew, very etntte. — company. okay andrew, very etntte. ittwe— company. okay andrew, very simple. -live in- company. okay andrew, very simple. .live in a- company. okay andrew, very simple. : " tt:;”«t simple. we live in a very diseased information space at the moment and all generalisations are false, including this one. so the reality is that— including this one. so the reality is that more- i..: t: so the reality is that more people i.: t: so the reality is that more people who come onto the— reality is that more people who come onto the platform, the more new— come onto the platform, the more tttety yee— come onto the platform, the more tttety ye tetnt— come onto the platform, the more likely you're going to have hate eteeet— likely you're going to have hate eteeen. ant— likely you're going to have hate speech. and the— likely you're going to have hate speech. and the problem with the— speech. and the problem with the te— speech. and the problem with this is there's— speech. and the problem with this is there's no— speech. and the problem with this is there's no standard tettnttten— this is there's no standard definition what speech definition of what hate speech is. definition of what hate speech te-et— definition of what hate speech te-et tne— definition of what hate speech is.-at the united- is. you look at the united wettene— is. you look at the united nations,-talk- is. you look at the united nations, talk about nations, they talk about discrimination derogatory discrimination or derogatory teeet— discrimination or derogatory teeet-et— discrimination or derogatory based or religion or so based on sex or religion or so on based on sex or religion or so en ent— based on sex or religion or so en ent ee— based on sex or religion or so en ent ee tettn— based on sex or religion or so on and so forth. the bbc in wet— on and so forth. the bbc in their defence,— on and so forth. the bbc in their defence, and it's tntettent— their defence, and it's important that we have a teteneet— important that we have a. balanced—because balanced discussion because nettnet— balanced discussion because neither completely neither side is completely ntnt. —tten| neither side is completely- right. _elon claim right. it's wrong for elon claim tnete-e— right. it's wrong for elon claim there's-speech. - right. it's wrong for elon claim there's-speech. of- there's no hate speech. of course _and - there's no hate speech. of course _and it's. there's no hate speech. of- course _and it's wrong course there is. and it's wrong for course there is. and it's wrong tet tne— course there is. and it's wrong tet tne ttt— course there is. and it's wrong for the bbc to— course there is. and it's wrong for the bbc to say— course there is. and it's wrong for the bbc to say without ewtenee — for the bbc to say without evidence - it's - for the bbc to say without evidence it's increased . evidence that it's increased. they— evidence that it's increased. tney ttt— evidence that it's increased. they did provide the evidence ettetwette. — they did provide the evidence afterwards. - right- they did provide the evidence afterwards. right to afterwards. you're right to tetnt— afterwards. you're right to tetnt eet— afterwards. you're right to point out that— afterwards. you're right to point out that it lazy, if point out that it was lazy, if you— point out that it was lazy, if yee-net— point out that it was lazy, if yee-net te— point out that it was lazy, if yee-net te te- point out that it was lazy, if you-not to go in- point out that it was lazy, if you not to go in with hard you like, not to go in with hard teete— you like, not to go in with hard teete-tttwee— you like, not to go in with hard facts-figures, but- you like, not to go in with hard facts figures, but on their facts and figures, but on their wetette— facts and figures, but on their website-talk— facts and figures, but on their website -talk-it.. facts and figures, but on their. website -talk-it. they website they talk about it. they twe— website they talk about it. they ttwe exenttee— website they talk about it. they give examples of— website they talk about it. they give examples of who've give examples of people who've teen—tne- been allowed back on the wetten— been allowed back on the. platform, _ extreme platform, who've got extreme —teti views. so andrew anglin, for etenete.— views. so andrew anglin, for exentte. tne — views. so andrew anglin, for example, the _of - views. so andrew anglin, for example, the of the example, the founder of the tetty— example, the founder of the daily _website,- example, the founder of the daily website, you've daily stormer website, you've etee— daily stormer website, you've etee-tettn- daily stormer website, you've also-crokin, one- daily stormer website, you've also crokin, one of the also got liz crokin, one of the tttteet— also got liz crokin, one of the biggest propaganda of qanon eenettteey— biggest propaganda of qanon conspiracy theory. and they also teete— conspiracy theory. and they also teete-tweete. —

conspiracy theory. and they also quote _tweets. i- conspiracy theory. and they also quote tweets. i won't quote those tweets. i won't teteet— quote those tweets. i won't teteet tnen— quote those tweets. i won't repeat them because legal issues, are there. repeat them because legal- issues,-are there. and issues, but they are there. and tnete-e— issues, but they are there. and tnete-e-t— issues, but they are there. and there's-i don't- issues, but they are there. and there's i don't know. there's also the i don't know. i ent— there's also the i don't know. i ent tet— there's also the i don't know. i ent ttt tet— there's also the i don't know. i won't. but but but— there's also the i don't know. i won't. but but but that's the tent.— won't. but but but that's the tent. ten-t— won't. but but but that's the point, isn't it?— won't. but but but that's the point, isn't it? okay. they neetet— point, isn't it? okay. they needed the _ point, isn't it? okay. they needed the evidence and don't let needed the evidence and don't tet tne— needed the evidence and don't tet tne tett— needed the evidence and don't let the truth stand in the way of let the truth stand in the way et e— let the truth stand in the way et e teet— let the truth stand in the way et e teet etety— let the truth stand in the way of a good story is— let the truth stand in the way of a good story is the important tetnt. — of a good story is the important tetnt. t— of a good story is the important tetnt. t teen— of a good story is the important point. i mean,ldare- of a good story is the important point. " t:3”t:; of a good story is the important point. i mean, i dare say it's the definition, isn't it's the definition, isn't it? it's the definition, isn't it? it's the definition, isn't it? it's the definition hate speech the definition of hate speech that the problem here. that that is the problem here. but thank you, benjamin butterworth. he's going to be back on later on. i'll be battling it out on the saturday night to come, night five. now, still to come, a debate on ulez. but a feisty debate on ulez. but first, monzo bank staff first, why did monzo bank staff call customer a horrible terf? call a customer a horrible terf? don't go anywhere .

welcome back to neil oliver live with me , darren grimes now in with me, darren grimes now in the last hour, we've seen the 175th grand national . that's, of 175th grand national. that's, of course, the historic horse race at aintree . now with crack at aintree. now with crack rambler ridden by derek fox

winning this year's race. but as even winning this year's race. but as ever, this race has divided opinion. no less than in this very studio. not only was the start of the final and the main grand national race delayed after a number of animal rights protesters made their way onto the track. nine people have actually been arrested . now actually been arrested. now that's merseyside police confirming that. so it actually begs the question is racing a cruel sport sport now? andrew animal racing's actually say that several horses fell during the grand national today, which is, you know what they're protests had actually been trying to stop. where do you stand on this? should we just say, look, this belongs to a bygone era, we need to be kinder to animals, etcetera? et cetera. i think. i to animals, etcetera? et cetera. ithink. i mean, any to animals, etcetera? et cetera. i think. i mean, any death in any— i think. i mean, any death in eny etett— i think. i mean, any death in eny etett te— i think. i mean, any death in any sport is absolutely tragic. ant— any sport is absolutely tragic. ant t— any sport is absolutely tragic. ant t wee— any sport is absolutely tragic. and i was heavily involved in tetnete— and i was heavily involved in tetnete ene— and i was heavily involved in formula one in— and i was heavily involved in formula one in the early 80s and eyes.— formula one in the early 80s and 90s,-introduced- formula one in the early 80s and 90s, introduced further 90s, and they introduced further eetety— 90s, and they introduced further safety measures— 90s, and they introduced further safety measures to— 90s, and they introduced further safety measures to ensure that tney— safety measures to ensure that tney tteeenet— safety measures to ensure that they preserved on— safety measures to ensure that they preserved on that sort of teete— they preserved on that sort of basis-sensible- they preserved on that sort of basis sensible people basis that the sensible people

ent— basis that the sensible people ent-eey.— basis that the sensible people ent-eey. tet-e— basis that the sensible people and say, let's more and as i say, let's shed more tent— and as i say, let's shed more tent-neet— and as i say, let's shed more tttnt-neet en- and as i say, let's shed more light-heat on the- and as i say, let's shed more light heat on the subject light than heat on the subject nettet— light than heat on the subject nettet te— light than heat on the subject matter is absolutely look at weye— matter is absolutely look at weyelnete— matter is absolutely look at weyelnete tt— matter is absolutely look at ways make it safer . matter is absolutely look at ways make it safer. i did put ways to make it safer. i did put a ways to make it safer. i did put e tet— ways to make it safer. i did put e tet en— ways to make it safer. i did put a bet on somebody glueing themselves— a bet on somebody glueing themselves to— a bet on somebody glueing themselves to the jump and won themselves to the jump and i won on themselves to the jump and i won en—tne- on that one. but but the tnnettte— on that one. but but the principle exactly that. let's on that one. but but the princ at e exactly that. let's on that one. but but the princ at ways xactly that. let's on that one. but but the princ at ways we tly that. let's on that one. but but the princ at ways we don'tlt. let's on that one. but but the princ at ways we don't any et's on that one. but but the princ at ways we don't any death look at ways we don't any death is look at ways we don't any death te-tee— look at ways we don't any death te-tee neny— look at ways we don't any death te-tee neny. se— look at ways we don't any death is too many. so let's look is one too many. so let's look at is one too many. so let's look et weye— is one too many. so let's look et weye-we— is one too many. so let's look et weye-we en- is one too many. so let's look at ways we can make it at ways that we can make it eeetn — at ways that we can make it eeetn tet— at ways that we can make it safer. but it's— at ways that we can make it safer. but it's a— at ways that we can make it safer. but it's a glorious eten— safer. but it's a glorious etent. tne— safer. but it's a glorious sport. the people enjoy it and so sport. the people enjoy it and eelent— sport. the people enjoy it and eelent ee— sport. the people enjoy it and so.and so forth.— sport. the people enjoy it and so and so forth. there's so on and so forth. there's a tetete— so on and so forth. there's a debate-getting- so on and so forth. there's a debate getting rid of the debate about getting rid of the wntte— debate about getting rid of the wntte-ent- debate about getting rid of the wntte-ent ee- debate about getting rid of the whips and so forth, whips and so on and so forth, wttn— whips and so on and so forth, wnten yee— whips and so on and so forth, wnten yee en— whips and so on and so forth, which you can encourage the netee— which you can encourage the neteeleeny— which you can encourage the horse carry anyway. so horse to carry on anyway. so nete— horse to carry on anyway. so neteleeten — horse to carry on anyway. so make . safer. the - horse to carry on anyway. so make safer. the horses do get make it safer. the horses do get tnetetttty— make it safer. the horses do get incredibly well— make it safer. the horses do get incredibly well looked after. tenetetty— incredibly well looked after. generally, talking about generally, we were talking about ten —tn- generally, we were talking about ten —tn weyel generally, we were talking about. them _in ways that them being pampered in ways that meet—tentetetl them being pampered in ways thati most—pampered. so most humans are not pampered. so it's most humans are not pampered. so tt-e-te— most humans are not pampered. so tt-e-te nett— most humans are not pampered. so it's-be right. let's- most humans are not pampered. so it's be right. let's look it's got to be right. let's look at it's got to be right. let's look et-tet-e— it's got to be right. let's look et-tet-e teet- it's got to be right. let's look at-let's look at- at ways, but let's look at tneetteet— at ways, but let's look at practical ways- at ways, but let's look at practical ways to make the sport eeetn — practical ways to make the sport eeetn teen — practical ways to make the sport safer. reem i'll— practical ways to make the sport safer. reem i'll tell— practical ways to make the sport safer. t l: safer. reem i'll tell you what i am. i'm sick and i'm sick the am. i'm sick and i'm sick of the likes of animal rebellion or whatever they're called themselves these days. obviously, offshoots. they're all from extinction all offshoots from extinction rebellion all a brand rebellion, and it's all a brand of wing politics, right? of left wing politics, right? that to actually, in my that wants to actually, in my view, immiserate great britain until we i don't know, crawling around, caves in a loin cloth, you know. so where do you stand

on this? no, i totally agree. i think actually, you know,- think actually, you know, these tneee— think actually, you know, these tneee teete— think actually, you know, these tneee tette et— think actually, you know, these these parts of our— think actually, you know, these these parts of our british ttetttten— these parts of our british tradition, the— these parts of our british tradition, the grand national is a_itart_ tradition, the grand national is e-tett et— tradition, the grand national is e-tett et ew— tradition, the grand national is a part of our british a huge part of our british ttetttten— a huge part of our british ttetttten .— a huge part of our british tradition . the— a huge part of our british tradition . the first run was in tradition. the first run was in test.— tradition. the first run was in test. t— tradition. the first run was in test. t tntnt— tradition. the first run was in 1839. i think it's— tradition. the first run was in 1839. i think it's hugely tntettent— 1839. i think it's hugely important that we preserve these teete— important that we preserve these tette et— important that we preserve these tette et tntten— important that we preserve these parts of british tradition. tney-te — parts of british tradition. tney-te e— parts of british tradition. they're a huge part of our our eettwe. — they're a huge part of our our culture. when— they're a huge part of our our culture. when we— they're a huge part of our our culture. when we all come tetetnet— culture. when we all come together-we're- culture. when we all come together we're to culture. when we all come- together-we're -to watch together and we're able to watch the together and we're able to watch tne-t— together and we're able to watch tne-t tntnt— together and we're able to watch the-i think it's— together and we're able to watch the-i think it's just- the races, i think it's just tenteette— the races, i think it's just fantastic-ablel the races, i think it's just. fantastic-able to fantastic that we're able to tneeene— fantastic that we're able to preserve these— fantastic that we're able to preserve these things. and yee— preserve these things. and ye tent.— preserve these things. and you're right. mean, there is you're right. i mean, there is the— you're right. i mean, there is tnte-et— you're right. i mean, there is this-of branch- you're right. i mean, there is this of branch left wing this sort of branch of left wing tettttee— this sort of branch of left wing politics-tends— this sort of branch of left wing politics-tends to- this sort of branch of left wing politics tends to be politics that tends to be tettteetetty— politics that tends to be particularly where politics that tends to be - particularly _where they particularly militant where they are particularly militant where they eee—ettl are militant, too. i mean, all tntnte— are militant, too. i mean, all things british,— are militant, too. i mean, all things british, all things tntten— things british, all things british _ also i things british, all things- british_also they british culture, but also they teet— british culture, but also they tet-et— british culture, but also they teet-et went— british culture, but also they just of want everyone to be just kind of want everyone to be tnetetttty— just kind of want everyone to be incredibly miserable. saw incredibly miserable. we saw the— incredibly miserable. we saw ttt-eett— incredibly miserable. we saw tnte-eett et- incredibly miserable. we saw this sort of potential this with the sort of potential tteteet— this with the sort of potential tteteet-tne — this with the sort of potential protest the coronation protest with the coronation that eentnt— protest with the coronation that eentnt-neen— protest with the coronation that coming mean, people coming up. i mean, these people , coming up. i mean, these people ante— coming up. i mean, these people we eett— coming up. i mean, these people we eett et— coming up. i mean, these people , this sort of particularly nttttent— , this sort of particularly militant-left. , this sort of particularly. militant-left wing militant branch of left wing tettttee—tel militant branch of left wing. politics,_to want politics, they just tend to want to politics, they just tend to want te te — politics, they just tend to want to be miserable— politics, they just tend to want to be miserable and want to ruin ewetytntnt— to be miserable and want to ruin ewetytntnt-tete— to be miserable and want to ruin everything take good everything and take all good tntnte— everything and take all goodi tntnte—teet things away from us. all good tntten— things away from us. all good british things. _ things away from us. all good british things. absolutely. but you british things. absolutely. but yee-tewe— british things. absolutely. but yee-tewe te— british things. absolutely. but you-have to have- british things. absolutely. but you-have to have a- british things. absolutely. but you have to have a balance, you do have to have a balance, though. there are some though. and there are some points can made safer, points if it can be made safer, make it safer. i think it's wrong dismiss everything on wrong to dismiss everything on political say, let's political grounds and say, let's shed light and less heat.

shed more light and less heat. absolutely but already absolutely but they've already teen— absolutely but they've already teen tenet.— absolutely but they've already been raised.ijust_ ' et:;:«t but they've already been raised. just want read been raised. i just want to read eet— been raised. i just want to read eet-teen — been raised. i just want to read out-from -british- been raised. i just want to read out from british racing out this from the british racing aettettty— out this from the british racing authority. - said - authority. they've said in a etetenent— authority. they've said in a statement earlier authority. they've said in a. statement-earlier this statement released earlier this week— statement released earlier this week-tneee— statement released earlier this week-there - been - statement released earlier this week there been huge week that there have been huge tnttewenente— week that there have been huge improvements years at improvements in recent years at atnttee— improvements in recent years at aintree racecourse _ improvements in recent years at aintree racecourse to improve the aintree racecourse to improve tne-et— aintree racecourse to improve the-of horses- aintree racecourse to improve the-of horses race- aintree racecourse to improve the of horses race in the welfare of horses race in wet— the welfare of horses race in tnett tneee— the welfare of horses race in their chase is— the welfare of horses race in their chase is introduced since zen.— their chase is introduced since 2012. include _ their chase is introduced since 2012. include adapting the and tetettttnt— 2012. include adapting the and rebuilding the— 2012. include adapting the and rebuilding the fences, facilities— rebuilding the fences, facilities and stables from the very— facilities and stables from the very nnennent— facilities and stables from the very nnennent e— facilities and stables from the very moment a horse arrives . the very moment a horse arrives. the neet— very moment a horse arrives. the neet tntettent— very moment a horse arrives. the most important thing to the racecourse course is its safety ent— racecourse course is its safety ent wettene— racecourse course is its safety ent wettete .— racecourse course is its safety and welfare . now— racecourse course is its safety and welfare . now we'll end it and welfare. now we'll end it tneee— and welfare. now we'll end it tnete. tet— and welfare. now we'll end it tnete. tet t— and welfare. now we'll end it there, but i mean, i must say teete— there, but i mean, i must say tteeee teette— there, but i mean, i must say 150,000 people attended millions wetentnt— 150,000 people attended millions wetentnt tt— 150,000 people attended millions wetentnt tt en— 150,000 people attended millions watching it on telly. i think it went— watching it on telly. i think it weett te— watching it on telly. i think it weett te e— watching it on telly. i think it would be a crying shame eeteetty— would be a crying shame eeteetty. tt— would be a crying shame actually, if they get their way in. actually, if they get their way tn. tnet-e— actually, if they get their way tn. tnet-e tt— actually, if they get their way in. that's it for— actually, if they get their way in. that's it for that . now a in. that's it for that. now a nee— in. that's it for that. now a man has been— in. that's it for that. now a man has been labelled a horrible tett.— man has been labelled a horrible tett. tew— man has been labelled a horrible tett. wew e— man has been labelled a horrible turf. now a turf— man has been labelled a horrible turf. now a turf for— man has been labelled a horrible turf. now a turf for those who ten-t— turf. now a turf for those who ten-t knew— turf. now a turf for those who ten-t tnew te— turf. now a turf for those who don't know is a— turf. now a turf for those who don't know is a trans exclusive , don't know is a trans exclusive . wteteneny— don't know is a trans exclusive , visionary, radical— don't know is a trans exclusive , visionary, radical feminist teet— , visionary, radical feminist teet. t— , visionary, radical feminist best. i think— , visionary, radical feminist best. i think we've all been eettet— best. i think we've all been called that— best. i think we've all been called that these days by entteyeee— called that these days by entteyeee .— called that these days by employees . this is by employees employees. this is by employees at employees. this is by employees et e— employees. this is by employees et e tent— employees. this is by employees et e tent .— employees. this is by employees at a bank . after— employees. this is by employees at a bank . after he— employees. this is by employees at a bank . after he criticised at a bank. after he criticised the—

at a bank. after he criticised the tent-e— at a bank. after he criticised this bank's transgender tettetee— this bank's transgender policies, the- this bank's transgender policies, the bank in question is policies, the bank in question te ttenze— policies, the bank in question is monzo bank— policies, the bank in question is monzo bank and monzo bank's tettetee— is monzo bank and monzo bank's policies include— is monzo bank and monzo bank's policies include checking not eeeentnt— policies include checking not assuming pronouns means gender neetet— assuming pronouns means gender neettet tetet— assuming pronouns means gender neutral toilet facilities and teeenttnt— neutral toilet facilities and describing maternity leave as when— describing maternity leave as primary caregiver leave . now, primary caregiver leave. now, the— primary caregiver leave. now, the en— primary caregiver leave. now, the nee— primary caregiver leave. now, this man has been mocked by etett— this man has been mocked by staff online— this man has been mocked by staff online ,_ this man has been mocked by staff online , which came to staff online, which came to tent— staff online, which came to want ettet— staff online, which came to light after he— staff online, which came to light after he made a freedom of tntetnetten— light after he made a freedom of information request ream has the— information request ream has the en— information request ream has the teen— information request ream has this man been shamefully by this tente— this man been shamefully by this tente t— this man been shamefully by this tente t en— this man been shamefully by this bank? i mean, it— this man been shamefully by this bank? i mean, it doesn't strike me— bank? i mean, it doesn't strike me as a very good— bank? i mean, it doesn't strike me as a very good way to go eteet— me as a very good way to go eteet tettnt— me as a very good way to go about getting custom because a lot about getting custom because a tet et— about getting custom because a tet et teette— about getting custom because a lot of people happen to believe in lot of people happen to believe tn ttetetteet— lot of people happen to believe in biological sex. _ lot of people happen to believe in biological sex. . t: in biological sex. it is. and i ten-t— in biological sex. it is. and i don't necessarily have a problem with it with these employees having these opinions or actually for this for this private company, to have private company, monzo, to have these i think they're these policies. i think they're ridiculous. i think that i ridiculous. and i think that i mean, the primary caregiver one is offensive , is probably the most offensive, you entirely erasing the you know, entirely erasing the fact women the majority fact that women are the majority that the primary caregivers. that are the primary caregivers. of , men are as well. but of course, men are as well. but when talking about when we're talking about maternity and maternity maternity leave and maternity care that is very specific to

women, we give birth and only women, we give birth and only women can give birth. so i think it's very important that we are clear about but again, clear about that. but again, look, this is private look, i mean, this is a private company and personally won't company and i personally won't be monzo. will you be banking with monzo. will you be banking with monzo. will you be banking with monzo. will you be banking with— be banking with monzo. will you be banking with monzo- be banking with monzo. will you be banking with monzo ? - t: will you be banking with monzo ? be banking with monzo? what's tnteteettnt— be banking with monzo? what's tnteteettnt te— be banking with monzo? what's interesting is the language, isn't because you isn't it? because you get a horrible as opposed to a horrible turf as opposed to a nice i mean, what's that nice one? i mean, what's that about principle is exactly about the principle is exactly this. comes should come this. it comes should come out of out of respect and working out a balance being sensitive balance and being sensitive about conversation at gb about a conversation here at gb news, we have gender neutral toilets, for heaven's sake. so we sort thing. we look at that sort of thing. not deliberately, not design, not by liberately, not design, we look at that sort of thing. not by design. , not design, we look at that sort of thing. not by design. maybe design, we look at that sort of thing. not by design. maybe economic not by design. maybe economic reasons, but the principle is that we do. i think respect works you're works both ways. and you're right, turn right, absolutely. to turn around the primary birth around and say the primary birth giver rather like talking giver is rather like talking about chest feeding as opposed to breastfeeding so on and to breastfeeding and so on and so respect so forth. you need to respect all people the conversation all people in the conversation and why there that. and work out why there is that. because the whole because what started the whole thing woke originally thing about woke woke originally was a positive thing. it means you're awake conscious. not you're awake and conscious. not anymore. problem. anymore. and that's the problem. it's derogatory term. it's become a derogatory term. well, don't think because well, i don't think it's because it's well, i don't think it's because tt-e-tetetetety- well, i don't think it's because it's-derogatory i it's become a derogatory term. i

tntnt— it's become a derogatory term. i think-because— it's become a derogatory term. i think because everything think it's because everything eeeeetetet— think it's because everything associated-in- think it's because everything associated in my view, think it's because everything as actually in my view, think it's because everything as actually censorship. ny view, think it's because everything asactually censorship. it'siew, is actually censorship. it's tee— is actually censorship. it's tee tee— is actually censorship. it's become too extreme, become too etee— become too extreme, become too extreme-ent— become too extreme, become too extreme and debate. well extreme on that and debate. well is extreme on that and debate. well te-tentet— extreme on that and debate. well is-longer-freedom i is this no longer about freedom ent—etew- is this no longer about freedom and—about beingi and it's no longer about being ewete— and it's no longer about being ewete-eett- and it's no longer about being awake-sort of- awake or being sort of understanding world awake or being sort of- understanding-world around understanding the world around us, understanding the world around tet— understanding the world around us, but actually— understanding the world around us, but actually being a eenttete— us, but actually being a complete sheep towards this us, but actually being a com of tte sheep towards this us, but actually being a com of incredibly owards this us, but actually being a com of incredibly militant this sort of incredibly militant tetttet— sort of incredibly militant leftist hijacking the language. and leftist hijacking the language. ant ttet-e— leftist hijacking the language. and that's the— leftist hijacking the language. and that's the problem.- leftist hijacking the language. and that's the problem. if- leftist hijacking the language. and that's the problem. if you huack and that's the problem. if you hijack the language from what should positive about should be a positive thing about inclusiveness should be positive. and positive. you turn around and respect the respect everybody in the conversation . it's got to be conversation. it's got to be much better. well, yeah, long much better. well, yeah, as long as much better. well, yeah, as long ee-teeteet— much better. well, yeah, as long as - respect -free - much better. well, yeah, as long as-respect-free speech. as they respect our free speech nette— as they respect our free speech ntnte-ett— as they respect our free speech ntnte-ett t— as they respect our free speech rights, - all i. say. - rights, that's all i can say. new— rights, that's all i can say. new new— rights, that's all i can say. now now this— rights, that's all i can say. now now this is a good one. attet— now now this is a good one. attet e— now now this is a good one. after a woman— now now this is a good one. after a woman found a seal in net— after a woman found a seal in net tetete— after a woman found a seal in net tetete teet— after a woman found a seal in her potato peel whilst preparing teeter— her potato peel whilst preparing teetet sentey— her potato peel whilst preparing easter sunday lunch, people have etettet— easter sunday lunch, people have etettet enennt— easter sunday lunch, people have started sharing their own spud entnete— started sharing their own spud animals from _ started sharing their own spud animals from couch potato sloths to animals from couch potato sloths te yen — animals from couch potato sloths to yam walruses_ animals from couch potato sloths to yam walruses ._ animals from couch potato sloths to yam walruses . as i want to to yam walruses. as i want to newe— to yam walruses. as i want to tewe yee— to yam walruses. as i want to newe yee etet— to yam walruses. as i want to have you ever encountered a etenet— have you ever encountered a cloned creature— have you ever encountered a cloned creature in your kitchen? sent— cloned creature in your kitchen? sent tn— cloned creature in your kitchen? send in vaiews@gbnews.uk. but anttew.— send in vaiews@gbnews.uk. but anttew. newe— send in vaiews@gbnews.uk. but andrew, have you— send in vaiews@gbnews.uk. but andrew, have you ever found a stat— andrew, have you ever found a stat tettnt— andrew, have you ever found a seal lurking in— andrew, have you ever found a seal lurking in your. e

seal lurking in your. i love it. ant— seal lurking in your. i love it. ant ttete-e— seal lurking in your. i love it. and there's great stories about it's called pareidolia is what it's called pareidolia is what it is. so there's a wonderful name for it where human nature goes back to the caves and about preservation. it's finding faces in places that you wouldn't normally and they think normally see it. and they think of for two reasons. they of it for two reasons. they think basically children think about basically children because get in because they need it to get in that sort of instinct, but also to preserve yourself for safety. so saw something which so if you saw something in which looked tiger, a sabre looked like a tiger, a sabre tooth we've got the seal. tooth tiger, we've got the seal. the seal , fantastic in image the seal, fantastic in image tneee— the seal, fantastic in image tnete. ant— the seal, fantastic in image there. and it— the seal, fantastic in image there. and it does actually look atte— there. and it does actually look ttte te— there. and it does actually look ttte te te— there. and it does actually look like to be like _ there. and it does actually look like to be like because you can tne— like to be like because you can tne teee— like to be like because you can see the face. i— like to be like because you can see the face. i love— like to be like because you can see the face. i love it because i see the face. i love it because t eeteetty— see the face. i love it because i actually often— see the face. i love it because i actually often think whenever someone says, oh,— i actually often think whenever someone says, oh, look up at the sky,— someone says, oh, look up at the ety. yee— someone says, oh, look up at the ety. yee en— someone says, oh, look up at the ety. yee eee— someone says, oh, look up at the ety. yee t— someone says, oh, look up at the sky, you can see i don't know tne— sky, you can see i don't know tne tneee— sky, you can see i don't know tne tnete et— sky, you can see i don't know the image of christ, or you can see-never see it.- the image of christ, or you can see-never see it. i- the image of christ, or you can see never see it. i always see i'd never see it. i always tntnt— see i'd never see it. i always tntnt tnet— see i'd never see it. i always think that-yes- see i'd never see it. i always think that-yes i- see i'd never see it. i always think that yes i can never think that one. yes i can never eeteetty— think that one. yes i can never eeteetty-tt— think that one. yes i can never actually-it-maybel actually see it myself. maybe t-n — actually see it myself. maybe t-n teet— actually see it myself. maybe t-n tet-tet— actually see it myself. maybe i'm just but secondly, i'm just blind. but secondly, t-n — i'm just blind. but secondly, t-n -yee— i'm just blind. but secondly, i'm _you insane - i'm just blind. but secondly, i'm-you insane ?. i'm just blind. but secondly,- i'm-you insane ? like, i'm like, are you insane? like, wnet— i'm like, are you insane? like, we ee— i'm like, are you insane? like, we yee— i'm like, are you insane? like, what are you seeing that i'm nete — what are you seeing that i'm nete wett— what are you seeing that i'm not? well, yeah,- what are you seeing that i'm not? twice: «tt:;t3" “t:3" " not? well, yeah, yeah. i mean, with thing is quite with the clouds thing is quite interesting do. interesting because i do. i quite like looking at the sky quite like looking up at the sky and to find different and trying to find different shapes the clouds. shapes in the. in the clouds. but again, if you're looking at it a slightly different angle, but again, if you're looking at

it a canhtly different angle, but again, if you're looking at it a canhtly disort nt angle, but again, if you're looking at it a can htly di sort of angle, but again, if you're looking at it a canhtly disort of see .e, but again, if you're looking at it a canhtly disort of see it as you can never sort of see it as the same person. i love this that see it potatoes and that you see it in potatoes and the spuds because because of the different colouring and the different colouring and the different you to see. different shapes you get to see. and so exciting. i remember and it's so exciting. i remember being a kid just being a kid and just like staring and staring at the walls and patterns in wallpaper and trying to find little and it's to find little shapes. and it's a a nice a nice a it's a nice it's a nice pastime than looking at your phone the time. it's also phone all the time. it's also a very ttetttette— phone all the time. it's also a very profitable i— phone all the time. it's also a very profitable i can- phone all the time. it's also a very profitable i can tell- e it's also a very profitable i can tell you in very profitable i can tell you tn 200a.— very profitable i can tell you tn 200a. e— very profitable i can tell you in 2004, a cheese sandwich which ettetentty— in 2004, a cheese sandwich which ettetentty-tnete- in 2004, a cheese sandwich which apparently image the apparently bore the image of the vttttn—t— apparently bore the image of the vttttn—t tntnt- apparently bore the image of the virgin—i think it. virgin mary sold for, i think it teete— virgin mary sold for, i think it was 28,000. well, there go. was 28,000. well, there we go. tet— was 28,000. well, there we go. tet-tet— was 28,000. well, there we go. tet-tet tettnt- was 28,000. well, there we go. get-get hunting, get- get looking, get hunting, get hunting, hunting hunting, people get hunting now. next up, folks, after protest rallies in central london today, i'm to say no i'm asking, is it time to say no to ulez expansion? stay to the ulez expansion? stay poised for feisty debate .

welcome back to neil oliver live with me, darren grimes . now, with me, darren grimes. now, folks, i bet if i said ulez to you a few months ago, you wouldn't have taken much notice

and thought, what's this lad from the north east wittering on about now. but the ulez debate has become so heated it's basically a household name. now, today together association have been holding a rally in trafalgar square to protest west against sadiq khan's plans to extend this ulez zone. now i'm delighted to say this is going to get spicier guarantee that i'm joined by the leader of the climate party, ed gemmell, and the director of car 26, lois perry . now, ed, can the director of car 26, lois perry. now, ed, can i the director of car 26, lois perry . now, ed, can i start with perry. now, ed, can i start with you, please, from the climate party . do you worry about the party. do you worry about the impact of the restrictions or expansion of these measures to on the working class, frankly, of the, you know, the white van man , for example? or is it your man, for example? or is it your view that actually these are good measures because it ensures that the white van man can

afford to drive kyiv well, i have to say it's almost yes, yes to both your questions actually, darren. so, i mean, the first tntnt— darren. so, i mean, the first the te— darren. so, i mean, the first the te. te— darren. so, i mean, the first thing is, is look,— darren. so, i mean, the first thing is, is look, it's- t so, i mean, the first thing is, is look, it's great tnet— thing is, is look, it's great we wete— thing is, is look, it's great that we're trying to work on the— that we're trying to work on the — that we're trying to work on this issue. it's— that we're trying to work on this issue. it's great that ttytnt— this issue. it's great that we're trying to- this issue. it's great that we're trying to work on, on decarbonisation_ we're trying to work on, on decarbonisation and get cleaner air. decarbonisation and get cleaner ant— decarbonisation and get cleaner ant|ten-t— decarbonisation and get cleaner air. andidon't-any- decarbonisation and get cleaner air. and don't any of air. and i don't think any of tne— air. and i don't think any of tne tnnee— air. and i don't think any of the three of— air. and i don't think any of the three of us— air. and i don't think any of the three of us here would like to the three of us here would like te eee— the three of us here would like to see dirtier_ the three of us here would like to see dirtier air,— the three of us here would like to see dirtier air, getting more teette— to see dirtier air, getting more people unhealthy or people being unhealthy or tetenttetty— potentially going to hospitals. i potentially going to hospitals. t—ttetetty- potentially going to hospitals. t—ttetetty ettl i think we can probably all eteee— i think we can probably all eteee-tew- i think we can probably all agree now, having i think we can probably all- agree - now, having said agree on that. now, having said ttet—teen- that, it should have been nenttet— that, it should have been handled different way. it handled in a different way. it eteetty— handled in a different way. it eteetty-teen- handled in a different way. it clearly been introduced clearly hasn't been introduced in clearly hasn't been introduced tn-wey. — clearly hasn't been introduced in way. communication in the right way. communication newe— in the right way. communication sessions have been bad related to sessions have been bad related te-wnete— sessions have been bad related to-whole thing- sessions have been bad related to whole thing could to it. the whole thing could newe— to it. the whole thing could tewe—tet.- to it. the whole thing could have_lot,llotj have been done a lot, a lot tetten— have been done a lot, a lot better. _we've - have been done a lot, a lot better.-we've had- have been done a lot, a lot better. we've had hundreds better. now, we've had hundreds of better. now, we've had hundreds et teette— better. now, we've had hundreds et teette eet— better. now, we've had hundreds of people out campaigning. tney-te— of people out campaigning. they're campaigning of people out campaigning. they'rfact campaigning of people out campaigning. they'rfact that ampaigning of people out campaigning. they'rfact that itnpaigning of people out campaigning. they'rfact that it hasn't ng of people out campaigning. they'rfact that it hasn't been is the fact that it hasn't been tene— is the fact that it hasn't been tene tn— is the fact that it hasn't been tene tn-ntnt— is the fact that it hasn't been done in right way. it should done in the right way. it should newe— done in the right way. it should nete—etet- have been phased in over a tentet— have been phased in over a tentet tenet— have been phased in over a longer period of— have been phased in over a longer period of time, communicated better, starting wttn— communicated better, starting wttn e— communicated better, starting wttn e tewet— communicated better, starting with a lower rate.— communicated better, starting with a lower rate. so not going ettettnt— with a lower rate. so not going ettettnt tet— with a lower rate. so not going straight for £12.50, but maybe azte- — straight for £12.50, but maybe azte- ant— straight for £12.50, but maybe £2.50. and then _ straight for £12.50, but maybe £2.50. and then phased in over a twe— £2.50. and then phased in over a ttwe yeet— £2.50. and then phased in over a ttwe yeet tenet.— £2.50. and then phased in over a five year period. and i think tne— five year period. and i think tne teet— five year period. and i think the real crunch— five year period. and i think the real crunch part of it, wttn— the real crunch part of it, which would— the real crunch part of it, which would have made it the nent— which would have made it the tent ttnt— which would have made it the tent ttnt et— which would have made it the right kind of policy for ewenytety— right kind of policy for everybody, is say, all of the

income from _ everybody, is say, all of the income from it— everybody, is say, all of the income from it should been income from it should have been teten— income from it should have been taken-subsidise— income from it should have been taken subsidise and help taken to subsidise and help tentenete— taken to subsidise and help londoners adjust to it. so londoners to adjust to it. so put— londoners to adjust to it. so tet tnet— londoners to adjust to it. so tet tnet neney— londoners to adjust to it. so put that money into looking ettet— put that money into looking ettet tne— put that money into looking after the people that don't have eneetn—wetttnt- enough money, the working classes, those— enough money, the working classes, those in more difficult circumstances and— classes, those in more difficult circumstances and to white van nett— circumstances and to white van tett ntn — circumstances and to white van man help him get— circumstances and to white van man help him get his retrofit tene.— man help him get his retrofit tene. tet— man help him get his retrofit tene. tet tet— man help him get his retrofit done. but put all of that money tnte— done. but put all of that money tnte tt— done. but put all of that money tnte tt. ten-t— done. but put all of that money into it. don't try— done. but put all of that money into it. don't try and take it tnte— into it. don't try and take it into london's— into it. don't try and take it into london's coffers. well yeah i into london's coffers. well yeah t en— into london's coffers. well yeah t yee— into london's coffers. well yeah t yee et— into london's coffers. well yeah i mean yes or no— into london's coffers. well yeah i mean yes or no answer. e i mean yes or no answer. is it tne— i mean yes or no answer. is it the eee— i mean yes or no answer. is it the ttet— i mean yes or no answer. is it the case that actually you would prefer just get people out of prefer to just get people out of using their cars? et cetera. well, i think the idea of tettnt— well, i think the idea of getting people into doing eenetntnt— getting people into doing something-a- getting people into doing something a much more something in a much more eeetetnette— something in a much more sustainable way that we can keep tetnt— sustainable way that we can keep tetnt tet— sustainable way that we can keep tetnt tetltent— sustainable way that we can keep doing forllong time— sustainable way that we can keep doing for long time clearly doing for a long time is clearly the doing for a long time is clearly tne nent— doing for a long time is clearly tne tent-te- doing for a long time is clearly the right-do. and- doing for a long time is clearly the right do. and all the right thing to do. and all of the right thing to do. and all et ee— the right thing to do. and all et ee weett— the right thing to do. and all of us would like— the right thing to do. and all of us would like people to be neettnten— of us would like people to be healthier. after— of us would like people to be healthier. after all, none of us are healthier. after all, none of us eee—att- healthier. after all, none of us eee—au nettl are against that. all right, tet.— are against that. all right, lois, then i mean, do you lois, then i mean, what do you think all of this? this think about all of this? is this all of an agenda, all some form of an agenda, perhaps? absolutely. and the thing that keeps people healthy is poverty and not is not being in poverty and not being in poverty means being able to work able to able to work and being able to make money, being able to jump in your car or jump in your van and actually earn a living.

it's quite funny that it's eettet— it's quite funny that it's called the— it's quite funny that it's called the climate party because eeteetty— called the climate party because eeteetty ett— called the climate party because actually all of— called the climate party because actually all of the— called the climate party because actually all of the main parties at actually all of the main parties et tne— actually all of the main parties at the moment— actually all of the main parties at the moment are— actually all of the main parties at the moment are climate tetttee— at the moment are climate tentee. wee— at the moment are climate parties. you know, with 1 or 2 eeeetttene— parties. you know, with 1 or 2 exceptions, um,— parties. you know, with 1 or 2 exceptions, um, the people have eteten— exceptions, um, the people have eteten. tetey— exceptions, um, the people have eteten. tetey t— exceptions, um, the people have spoken. today i spoke to howard coxt_ spoken. today i spoke to howard cew e— spoken. today i spoke to howard cew e tew— spoken. today i spoke to howard cew e tew wt— spoken. today i spoke to howard cox, a few uk fair— spoken. today i spoke to howard cox, a few uk fair fuel uk. he's teen— cox, a few uk fair fuel uk. he's teen tewn— cox, a few uk fair fuel uk. he's been down there. _ cox, a few uk fair fuel uk. he's been down there. thousands have teeeentet— been down there. thousands have teeeentet en— been down there. thousands have descended on whitehall. nobody wente— descended on whitehall. nobody wente tnte. — descended on whitehall. nobody wants this. it's— descended on whitehall. nobody wants this. it's about control . wants this. it's about control. teette— wants this. it's about control. teette went— wants this. it's about control. people want to _ wants this. it's about control. people want to be able to use tnett— people want to be able to use tnett eete— people want to be able to use their cars since _ people want to be able to use their cars since the industrial tewetetten— their cars since the industrial revolution, life— their cars since the industrial revolution, life expectancy has teettet. — revolution, life expectancy has teettet. tt-e— revolution, life expectancy has doubled. it's revolutionised the twee— doubled. it's revolutionised the twee et— doubled. it's revolutionised the lives of working— doubled. it's revolutionised the lives of working people and wetttnt— lives of working people and working class— lives of working people and working class people. being able to working class people. being able te tet— working class people. being able te tet etent— working class people. being able to get around in— working class people. being able to get around in their car. it's tete— to get around in their car. it's quite patronising— to get around in their car. it's quite patronising to say , you quite patronising to say, you knew.— quite patronising to say, you knew. tney— quite patronising to say, you know, they need— quite patronising to say, you know, they need to get used to it. know, they need to get used to t. we.— know, they need to get used to t. we. tney— know, they need to get used to it. no, they don't.— know, they need to get used to it. no, they don't. they should be it. no, they don't. they should te ette— it. no, they don't. they should te ette te— it. no, they don't. they should te ette te te— it. no, they don't. they should be able to do whatever they want . tet— be able to do whatever they want . tet tett.— be able to do whatever they want . but lois, then— be able to do whatever they want . but lois, then briefly- be able to do whatever they want . but lois, then briefly ,- be able to do whatever they want . but lois, then briefly , i- . but lois, then briefly, i mean, is it not reasonable for, you know, ed to say , well, hang you know, ed to say, well, hang on a minute, there are ulez benefits, like getting rid of air pollution , but air pollution air pollution, but air pollution is it's lowest point that it's ever been. i mean, there was a bit ever been. i mean, there was a

ttt et— ever been. i mean, there was a bit of controversy— " i mean, there was a bit of controversy recently eteet— bit of controversy recently eteet tne — bit of controversy recently about the thousands of deaths tnet— about the thousands of deaths tnet ettetetty— about the thousands of deaths that allegedly have happened due to that allegedly have happened due te ett— that allegedly have happened due to air pollution— that allegedly have happened due to air pollution when you eeteetty— to air pollution when you actually look— to air pollution when you actually look at the statistics, tneee— actually look at the statistics, tnete wee— actually look at the statistics, tnete e— actually look at the statistics, there was a freedom of information.- there was a freedom of information. it there was a freedom of information.-it that in information. and it said that in the information. and it said that in tent— information. and it said that in tent tntnt— information. and it said that in the-i think it's— information. and it said that in the-i think it's 20- information. and it said that in the i think it's 20 years, the last i think it's 20 years, tnete-e— the last i think it's 20 years, tnete-e teen— the last i think it's 20 years, there's been one— the last i think it's 20 years, there's been one death with ttteet— there's been one death with direct causation _ there's been one death with direct causation of air tettetten— direct causation of air pollution on- direct causation of air pollution on the death certificate— pollution on the death certificate ._ pollution on the death certificate . it's a bit of certificate. it's a bit of a scam. darren— certificate. it's a bit of a scam. darren there is an agenda. it's scam. darren there is an agenda. tt-e ett— scam. darren there is an agenda. tt-e ett eteet— scam. darren there is an agenda. it's all about getting us out of our cars at home,— it's all about getting us out of our cars at home, in front of our screens, with— our cars at home, in front of our screens, with our 15 minute etttee— our screens, with our 15 minute etttee eettnt— our screens, with our 15 minute cities eating insects. it's tteteettnt— cities eating insects. it's tteteettnt .— cities eating insects. it's disgusting . this is the disgusting. this is the libertarian— disgusting. this is the libertarian issue 100. it's what do libertarian issue 100. it's what te yee— libertarian issue 100. it's what te yee eey— libertarian issue 100. it's what te yee eey te— libertarian issue 100. it's what do you say to that, then? teeeee— do you say to that, then? teeeee t— do you say to that, then? because i mean,- do you say to that, then? because i mean, many- do you say to that, then? because i mean, many people were saying, oh, happy days, the judicial review is going to happen. be scrapped. happen. ulez might be scrapped. what do you say to that? well i have to say, just just to start off with actually, i mean, i think this idea of a scam, i mean, look, let's make it not a scam. let's make sure all the neney— scam. let's make sure all the neney et— scam. let's make sure all the neney et tt— scam. let's make sure all the money of it goes— i let's make sure all the money of it goes back to tentenete— money of it goes back to londoners to— money of it goes back to londoners to help them and to nett— londoners to help them and to tett tnen— londoners to help them and to help them adjust— londoners to help them and to help them adjust to the scheme. tne— help them adjust to the scheme. tne-tntnt— help them adjust to the scheme. tne-tntnt te— help them adjust to the scheme. the -thing is, is— help them adjust to the scheme. the thing is, is let's not the first thing is, is let's not tt— the first thing is, is let's not t. we— the first thing is, is let's not see it. we should— the first thing is, is let's not see it. we should be making sure tet-e— see it. we should be making sure tet-e net— see it. we should be making sure tet-e net tet-e— see it. we should be making sure let's not let's not— see it. we should be making sure let's not let's not see it as a

tnet-e— let's not let's not see it as a scam that's trying- let's not let's not see it as a scam that's trying to make ney — scam that's trying to make ney -tet- scam that's trying to make money. get sadiq khan to money. let's get sadiq khan to do money. let's get sadiq khan to te-ntnt— money. let's get sadiq khan to te-ntnt tttnt— money. let's get sadiq khan to do right thing. let's do the right thing. let's encourage scrapping do the right thing. let's- encourage-scrapping the encourage him. i scrapping the eeet.— encourage him. i scrapping the tent. tne— encourage him. i scrapping the court, the right— encourage him. i scrapping the court, the right thing. /t:t. court, the right thing. you knew.— court, the right thing. you know,.completely- court, the right thing. you know, completely discounted know, he completely discounted absolutely . know, he completely discounted absolutely. i'm know, he completely discounted absolutely . i'm sure it'll come absolutely. i'm sure it'll come to you in a second. the court case to you in a second. the court nee— to you in a second. the court case has been— to you in a second. the court case has been brought- " i: the court case has been brought as well by by case has been brought as well by ty tne— case has been brought as well by ty tne tew— case has been brought as well by by the four london— case has been brought as well by by the four london boroughs and by the four london boroughs and by-i_ by the four london boroughs and ty-t en— by the four london boroughs and by-i mean,ithink- by the four london boroughs and by i mean, think that by surrey. i mean, i think that eeett— by surrey. i mean, i think that eeett-teen— by surrey. i mean, i think that could-been solved- by surrey. i mean, i think that could been solved by could have been solved by those tenten— could have been solved by those tenten-tetttnt- could have been solved by those london getting together london boroughs getting together with sadiq khan and actually ettentetnt— with sadiq khan and actually organising-right. organising to get the right tntnt—tet- organising to get the right tntnt—tet tt- organising to get the right thing-put it in. organising to get the righti thing-put it in in organising to get the right- thing-put it in in the thing done. and put it in in the nent— thing done. and put it in in the tent wey. — thing done. and put it in in the tent wey. tew— thing done. and put it in in the right way. now, why they didn't do right way. now, why they didn't te—ten-t— right way. now, why they didn't do - don't know - right way. now, why they didn't do don't know who's do that and i don't know who's to do that and i don't know who's te-.— do that and i don't know who's te-. tn— do that and i don't know who's to-. i'm certainly- do that and i don't know who's to . i'm certainly not to blame. i'm certainly not tetenttnt— to blame. i'm certainly not defending sadiq khan on this or enytntnt— defending sadiq khan on this or enytntnt-tnet-e— defending sadiq khan on this or anything that's not why anything else that's not why i'm nete.— anything else that's not why i'm nete—te- anything else that's not why i'm nete—te eey- anything else that's not why i'm nete—te eey tel here. what i'm here to say is tnet-e— here. what i'm here to say is we e— here. what i'm here to say is we e teet— here. what i'm here to say is that's a good scheme and we eeett— that's a good scheme and we eeett te— that's a good scheme and we eeett tele— that's a good scheme and we could dola lot— that's a good scheme and we could do a lot better. could do it a lot better. so nete— could do it a lot better. so make.better_ could do it a lot better. so make better everyone. make it better for everyone. ea.— make it better for everyone. tt. t— make it better for everyone. tt. t teen— make it better for everyone. tt. t yee— make it better for everyone. ed, i mean, you want- make it better for everyone. ed, i mean, you want to- make it better for everyone. ed, i mean, you want to entice people to cause, right? so people to your cause, right? so how you convince these how do you convince these protesters then that they should how do you convince these proteyou; then that they should how do you convince these proteyou ? well, at they should how do you convince these proteyou ? well, it they should how do you convince these proteyou ? well, i think should how do you convince these proteyou ? well, i think the uld back you? well, i think the reason for backing- i t:t.7 well, i think the reason for backing the climate party— reason for backing the climate tetty te— reason for backing the climate party is because— reason for backing the climate party is because everybody wants to party is because everybody wants te eee— party is because everybody wants te en— party is because everybody wants te en ent— party is because everybody wants to see an end to— party is because everybody wants to see an end to the cost of ttwnt— to see an end to the cost of ttwtnt enete— to see an end to the cost of living crisis and— to see an end to the cost of living crisis and energy eeewtty— living crisis and energy security and- living crisis and energy security and currently coming tewn— security and currently coming tewn tne— security and currently coming down the track— security and currently coming down the track on us at the nnennent— down the track on us at the nnennent te— down the track on us at the moment is an— down the track on us at the moment is an entire world that's going— moment is an entire world that's tent-te— moment is an entire world that's tetnt-te net— moment is an entire world that's going-to net zero- moment is an entire world that's going to net zero 101 going to go to net zero 101 eeeent— going to go to net zero 101 eeeent to— going to go to net zero 101 second, 150 countries who've set

tettete— second, 150 countries who've set tettete te— second, 150 countries who've set tettete te te— second, 150 countries who've set targets to go there. _ second, 150 countries who've set targets to go there. it's the tttteet— targets to go there. it's the biggest commercial opportunity on biggest commercial opportunity en-ttenet— biggest commercial opportunity en-ttenet .— biggest commercial opportunity en-ttenet . ant— biggest commercial opportunity on-planet . and if- biggest commercial opportunity on planet . and if britain at on the planet. and if britain at the on the planet. and if britain at tne teet— on the planet. and if britain at tne teet et— on the planet. and if britain at the back of the— on the planet. and if britain at the back of the romanian to try to the back of the romanian to try te nett— the back of the romanian to try te nett ee— the back of the romanian to try to hold us back— the back of the romanian to try to hold us back annihilation , to hold us back annihilation, ettettentty— to hold us back annihilation, ettettentty ent— to hold us back annihilation, opportunity and we'll continue tettnt— opportunity and we'll continue newtnt energy— opportunity and we'll continue having energy insecurity and tettnt— having energy insecurity and newnt e— having energy insecurity and newtnt e eeet— having energy insecurity and having a cost of— having energy insecurity and having a cost of living crisis. all having a cost of living crisis. att nent— having a cost of living crisis. att natt. twe— having a cost of living crisis. all right. i've got— having a cost of living crisis. all right. i've got to- having a cost of living crisis. all right. i've got to let- having a cost of living crisis. all right. i've got to let lois come back to that opportunity . come back to that opportunity. motty oh, my goodness . i can't motty oh, my goodness. i can't tetete— motty oh, my goodness. i can't even believe i'm— motty oh, my goodness. i can't even believe i'm hearing it. wnet— even believe i'm hearing it. wnet wete— even believe i'm hearing it. what we're looking at now is the tnetnteetty— what we're looking at now is the theindustry ization_ what we're looking at now is the theindustry ization of the west, a theindustry ization of the west, e tetttetete— theindustry ization of the west, a deliberate strategy to wipe out a deliberate strategy to wipe eet tne— a deliberate strategy to wipe out the majority— a deliberate strategy to wipe out the majority of people in tenne— out the majority of people in tetne et— out the majority of people in terms of their— out the majority of people in terms of their standard of ttwtnt. — terms of their standard of ttwtnt. wee— terms of their standard of living. you need cheap fossil teete— living. you need cheap fossil fuels, plentiful— living. you need cheap fossil fuels, plentiful fossil fuels for fuels, plentiful fossil fuels tet teette— fuels, plentiful fossil fuels tet teette te— fuels, plentiful fossil fuels for people to be able to live etteettwety— for people to be able to live effectively and _ for people to be able to live effectively and happily. two tnttte— effectively and happily. two tnttte et— effectively and happily. two thirds of londoners in the tettte— thirds of londoners in the public consultation did not want this public consultation did not want the . — public consultation did not want the wet.— public consultation did not want this. well, that's— public consultation did not want this. well, that's it.- public consultation did not want this . twice: e ' t: this. well, that's it. and ultimately, if the people don't want it, it's going to have to go. but thank you very much to both of you for joining go. but thank you very much to both of you forjoining us now both of you for joining us now with me still is the political commentator , reem ibrahim, and

commentator, reem ibrahim, and the broadcaster and lawyer andrew eborn . andrew, you've andrew eborn. andrew, you've heard what people have had to say there, lois and ed , who are say there, lois and ed, who are you with? well, i'll tell you a little punch and judy show. it was really and what i always say,— was really and what i always eey-entne— was really and what i always say,-shine more- was really and what i always say, shine more light and say, let's shine more light and teee— say, let's shine more light and teee. tt— say, let's shine more light and less. it-devoid_ say, let's shine more light and less. it-devoid of- say, let's shine more light and less. it devoid of facts and less. it was devoid of facts and tttwee— less. it was devoid of facts and figure .— less. it was devoid of facts and figures. there— less. it was devoid of facts and figures . there were a less. it was devoid of facts and figures. there were a fair. wett— figures. there were a fair. wett net— figures. there were a fair. well, not nearly enough. i mean, tttetty— well, not nearly enough. i mean, tttetty. wne — well, not nearly enough. i mean, nan, wne te— well, not nearly enough. i mean, firstly, who is the— well, not nearly enough. i mean, firstly, who is the climate tettyt— firstly, who is the climate party?- little i firstly, who is the climate. party?-little party, party? it's a tiny little party, wttn— party? it's a tiny little party, wnet-teet— party? it's a tiny little party, which-first time- party? it's a tiny little party, which first time of are which the first time any of are tneye— which the first time any of are tneye eeet— which the first time any of are they? good luck— which the first time any of are they? good luck to them. anyway, wnet-e— they? good luck to them. anyway, what's interesting— they? good luck to them. anyway, what's interesting is fear is tne— what's interesting is fear is tne tttteet— what's interesting is fear is the biggest way of selling enytttnt— the biggest way of selling anytbing-beu- the biggest way of selling. anything..you-turn anything. so you have to turn etent— anything. so you have to turn went-eey.— anything. so you have to turn around-say,-what. anything. so you have to turn. around-say,-what does around and say, look, what does it around and say, look, what does tt-te— around and say, look, what does tt-te te— around and say, look, what does tt-te te wttz— around and say, look, what does it to be ulez compliant? i it mean to be ulez compliant? i een-wtteetty— it mean to be ulez compliant? i can _virtually every- can tell you virtually every tetet— can tell you virtually every petrol registered since petrol car registered since teneety— petrol car registered since teneety-wttt- petrol car registered since january will ulez january 2006 will be ulez eentttent— january 2006 will be ulez eentttent .— january 2006 will be ulez compliant . so— january 2006 will be ulez compliant . so if your car is not compliant. so if your car is not zttttene— compliant. so if your car is not zttttene et— compliant. so if your car is not zillions of years— compliant. so if your car is not zillions of years old, then yee— zillions of years old, then ye net— zillions of years old, then you're not going to have an wnet— you're not going to have an issue. what you— you're not going to have an issue. what you need to look at in issue. what you need to look at tn tne— issue. what you need to look at tn tne net— issue. what you need to look at tn tne net teet— issue. what you need to look at in the not just the— issue. what you need to look at in the not just the economic tetete— in the not just the economic tetete. yee— in the not just the economic debate, you need to turn around ent— debate, you need to turn around ent eey.— debate, you need to turn around ent eey. teet— debate, you need to turn around and say, look, what's the impact going— and say, look, what's the impact tetntlte— and say, look, what's the impact tetntlte en— and say, look, what's the impact going be on people coming to going to be on people coming to in going to be on people coming to tn-tneettee— going to be on people coming to in -theatres, to _ going to be on people coming to in -theatres, to the - in the theatres, to the restaurants- in the theatres, to the restaurants on in the theatres, to the restaurants-on so restaurants and so on and so tettn— restaurants and so on and so tett-enete.- restaurants and so on and so forth,-shops. and- restaurants and so on and so forth, shops. and it's a forth, to the shops. and it's a nneeetwen-o— forth, to the shops. and it's a massive-on that- forth, to the shops. and it's a massive on that basis, we massive thing. on that basis, we neet— massive thing. on that basis, we neet te— massive thing. on that basis, we neet te newe— massive thing. on that basis, we need to have far— massive thing. on that basis, we need to have far more facts and tttwee— need to have far more facts and figure te— need to have far more facts and figures to-informed- figures to make informed

teetetene— figures to make informed decisions. mean, figures to make informed- decisions.-mean, there decisions. well, i mean, there tweet-n— decisions. well, i mean, there weet-n tne- decisions. well, i mean, there was-in the press- decisions. well, i mean, there- was-in the press today. was a french in the press today. ttete-e— was a french in the press today. ttete-e e— was a french in the press today. there's a french— was a french in the press today. there's a french man— was a french in the press today. there's a french man who's- was a french in the press today. there's a french man who's got quite when received quite the shock when he received a through the post. a bill through the post. but reem, know in my part in reem, i know in my part in newcastle are people newcastle there are people saying we clean saying because we have a clean air as well, it's not just air zone as well, it's not just london, you know, this is actually an agenda, in my view, that's going around the country. and one that and i don't think it's one that puts working people first. and that's it. that's my concern with it. yeah, right. yeah, you're absolutely right. i wttz— yeah, you're absolutely right. i wttz te— yeah, you're absolutely right. i mean, ulez is nothing more than a mean, ulez is nothing more than e tex— mean, ulez is nothing more than e tee en— mean, ulez is nothing more than e tee en tne— mean, ulez is nothing more than a tax on the poorer— mean, ulez is nothing more than a tax on the poorer and the wetnetette. — a tax on the poorer and the vulnerable. mean, it is vulnerable. i mean, it really is tneee— vulnerable. i mean, it really is tneee-e— vulnerable. i mean, it really is those-a majority- vulnerable. i mean, it really is those a majority are those cars that a majority are going— those cars that a majority are tetnt-wetttnt- those cars that a majority are. going-working-owned going to be working class owned are going to be working class owned eee-eentttent.— going to be working class owned are-compliant. my- going to be working class owned are compliant. my family car are not compliant. my family car is are not compliant. my family car te-ttttz— are not compliant. my family car is-ulez compliant.- are not compliant. my family car is ulez compliant. we have is not ulez compliant. we have to is not ulez compliant. we have te-atzto— is not ulez compliant. we have te-atzto ewety- is not ulez compliant. we have to £12.50 every time we to pay the £12.50 every time we go to pay the £12.50 every time we te—tenten - to pay the £12.50 every time we te—tenten ant- to pay the £12.50 every time wei go_london. and now go into central london. and now teeee— go into central london. and now teeeeee-tn— go into central london. and now because-in one— go into central london. and now because in one those because i live in one of those tenten— because i live in one of those london boroughs,— because i live in one of those london boroughs, live in london boroughs, i live in tttttntten— london boroughs, i live in hillingdon actually that is now going— hillingdon actually that is now tetnt—tnte- hillingdon actually that is now going—this ulez. going to be under this ulez enete— going to be under this ulez- eetenneennt—e charge, which essentially means tnet— charge, which essentially means we wnen— charge, which essentially means we wnen ny— charge, which essentially means that when my mum has to do the eeneet— that when my mum has to do the eeneet ten— that when my mum has to do the school run, she— that when my mum has to do the school run, she has— that when my mum has to do the school run, she has to pay the mea— school run, she has to pay the atzte enywey— school run, she has to pay the £12.50 anyway. so— school run, she has to pay the £12.50 anyway. so either have £12.50 anyway. so we either have to £12.50 anyway. so we either have te-te— £12.50 anyway. so we either have te-te tey— £12.50 anyway. so we either have te-te tey tet— £12.50 anyway. so we either have te-te tey tet e- £12.50 anyway. so we either have to-to pay for a new- to be forced to pay for a new eete-— to be forced to pay for a new car-is something. to be forced to pay for a new car is something that's car and this is something that's nettentnt— car and this is something that'si nettentnt—etetn happening time and time again. aene— happening time and time again. meme-eenet- happening time and time again. mums-school run.- happening time and time again. mums school run. the mums on their school run. the tn— mums on their school run. the tn tne— mums on their school run. the man in the white— mums on their school run. the man in the white van going to wet — man in the white van going to wet nte— man in the white van going to wet -te wne— man in the white van going to work. is who hurting, work. this is who it's hurting, net— work. this is who it's hurting, net tneee— work. this is who it's hurting, not those that— work. this is who it's hurting, not those that are _ work. this is who it's hurting,

not those that are wealthy. in a went.— not those that are wealthy. in a wet tnen— not those that are wealthy. in a wet tnen te— not those that are wealthy. in a word, then to the— not those that are wealthy. in a word, then to the of you, word, then to the pair of you, do word, then to the pair of you, te-tntnt— word, then to the pair of you, do-think this— word, then to the pair of you, do-think this is- word, then to the pair of you, do think this is an agenda do you think this is an agenda to do you think this is an agenda te-eet— do you think this is an agenda te-eet et— do you think this is an agenda te-eet et ew- do you think this is an agenda to-out of our cars,- do you think this is an agenda to out of our cars, to to get us out of our cars, to etet— to get us out of our cars, to etet ee— to get us out of our cars, to etet ee eetnt— to get us out of our cars, to stop us using cars? i think it's an stop us using cars? i think it's en etente— stop us using cars? i think it's an agenda-raise— stop us using cars? i think it's an agenda raise money for tfl an agenda to raise money for tfl teeee— an agenda to raise money for tfl teeee sette— an agenda to raise money for tfl because sadiq khan spunked because sadiq khan is spunked all because sadiq khan is spunked ett—wett— because sadiq khan is spunked ett—wett yeen- because sadiq khan is spunked all well, yeah. and all the money. well, yeah. and eenttet. — all the money. well, yeah. and eenttet. -t— all the money. well, yeah. andi control. _i-without control. andrew i think without a doubt there's a way of pushing a doubt there's a way of pushing a agenda think you a hidden agenda and i think you need let's get the facts on need to let's get the facts on both on what's happening about the also facts the climate and also the facts on affected. okey on who's actually affected. okey doke. we'll leave it there. tnent— doke. we'll leave it there. tnent-te— doke. we'll leave it there. thank-to the- doke. we'll leave it there. thank-to the pair- : we'll leave it there. thank to the pair of you. thank you. to the pair of you. now— thank you. to the pair of you. new. etttt— thank you. to the pair of you. new. etttt te— thank you. to the pair of you. now, still to come, folks, this new.— now, still to come, folks, this new. wett— now, still to come, folks, this hour, we'll be— now, still to come, folks, this hour, we'll be talking all tntnte— hour, we'll be talking all things-with- hour, we'll be talking all things-with a- hour, we'll be talking all things with a titanic things titanic with a titanic ntetenen— things titanic with a titanic historian broadcast hour. things titanic with a titanic histocalled broadcast hour. things titanic with a titanic histocalled nelson cast hour. things titanic with a titanic histocalled nelson aspen.ur. things titanic with a titanic histocalled nelson aspen. you he's called nelson aspen. you went— he's called nelson aspen. you wen-t—t-ttl he's called nelson aspen. you. went—ttt won't want to miss him. i'll see you— won't want to miss him. i'll see amule— won't want to miss him. i'll see youla few—

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rare thing , a young person with rare thing, a young person with conservative views. political commentator grant . my mark commentator alice grant. my mark meets guest is legendary gardener and grower of big vegetables, gerald stratford. you see his marrows . you should see his marrows. plus, sunday's papers hot off the press. we're live from . nine the press. we're live from. nine welcome back, folks . thank c x welcome back, folks . thank you welcome back, folks. thank you very— welcome back, folks. thank you very much— welcome back, folks. thank you very much for— welcome back, folks. thank you very much for your— welcome back, folks. thank you very much for your company. now you-ve— very much for your company. now we been— very much for your company. now you've been getting— very much for your company. now you've been getting in touch wm.— you've been getting in touch with your— you've been getting in touch with your views— you've been getting in touch with your views ,_ you've been getting in touch with your views , much more with your views, much more important— with your views, much more important than— with your views, much more important than any of ours. and you-ve— important than any of ours. and we been— important than any of ours. and you've been talking about elon musk— you've been talking about elon musk and— you've been talking about elon meek ene ene— you've been talking about elon musk and one question here, one rather— musk and one question here, one answer, rather says— musk and one question here, one answer, rather says maybe elon meek— answer, rather says maybe elon meek wm— answer, rather says maybe elon meek win by— answer, rather says maybe elon musk will by the _ answer, rather says maybe elon musk will by the bbc. we can only— musk will by the bbc. we can only hope.— musk will by the bbc. we can only hope. i— musk will by the bbc. we can only hope. i would agree with thee.— only hope. i would agree with thee. thee-e— only hope. i would agree with that. that's irvine— only hope. i would agree with that. that's irvine and taunton. new— that. that's irvine and taunton. new mick— that. that's irvine and taunton. now we sewe— that. that's irvine and taunton. now mick says, well said, werew— now mick says, well said, dwew eer— now mick says, well said, darren, get the- now mick says, well said, darren, get the bbc licence fee edededee— darren, get the bbc licence fee edeuedee .— darren, get the bbc licence fee abolished . they— darren, get the bbc licence fee abolished . they are further to abolished. they are further to the abolished. they are further to we refr— abolished. they are further to the left than— abolished. they are further to the left than starmer ever will be the left than starmer ever will de ewe— the left than starmer ever will de ewe wre— the left than starmer ever will be and jim says— the left than starmer ever will be and jim says about horse were— be and jim says about horse racing ,— be and jim says about horse racing , r— be and jim says about horse racing, i think— be and jim says about horse racing , i think it— be and jim says about horse racing, i think it should be made— racing, i think it should be were a— racing, i think it should be made a flat— racing, i think it should be made a flat race. maybe just have— made a flat race. maybe just have ewe— made a flat race. maybe just have one hurdle— made a flat race. maybe just have one hurdle to keep it

exerwww— have one hurdle to keep it exciting, but— have one hurdle to keep it exciting, but i'm sick of these erweewr— exciting, but i'm sick of these erweewr wpee— exciting, but i'm sick of these student types trying to change winge— student types trying to change rwrwge dw— student types trying to change rwrwge dy eerrwg— student types trying to change things by acting like utter i depe— things by acting like utter i hope rew— things by acting like utter i me they get— things by acting like utter i hope they get five years. kat, werew— hope they get five years. kat, rwewgw ewe— hope they get five years. kat, though, says it's— hope they get five years. kat, though, says it's disgusting. all though, says it's disgusting. au rer— though, says it's disgusting. au for we— though, says it's disgusting. all for the money. over 200 dereee— all for the money. over 200 dreee dewe— all for the money. over 200 horses have died— all for the money. over 200 horses have died at cheltenham ewe— horses have died at cheltenham and rded— horses have died at cheltenham and rded redd— horses have died at cheltenham and then john wrote in and said wereee— and then john wrote in and said horses are not— and then john wrote in and said horses are not born to be ridden or re— horses are not born to be ridden or re deu— horses are not born to be ridden or re pwu deew— horses are not born to be ridden or to pull heavy loads. they are eeddedr— or to pull heavy loads. they are sentient beings— or to pull heavy loads. they are sentient beings and the way dwe— sentient beings and the way humans have— sentient beings and the way humans have treated them over the humans have treated them over we edwdeer— humans have treated them over the centuries is— humans have treated them over the centuries is atrocious. addewed— the centuries is atrocious. addewed ._ the centuries is atrocious. although i think the stop oil ewe— although i think the stop oil and crime— although i think the stop oil and climate mob are idiots. everyone— and climate mob are idiots. everyone should— and climate mob are idiots. everyone should applaud these drawe— everyone should applaud these drewe peepre— everyone should applaud these brave people who— everyone should applaud these brave people who are trying to put brave people who are trying to per ew— brave people who are trying to per an end— brave people who are trying to per an end re— brave people who are trying to put an end to the— brave people who are trying to put an end to the disgusting maltreatment— put an end to the disgusting maltreatment of horses. and then drew— maltreatment of horses. and then waw ew— maltreatment of horses. and then dwruw ed drrz— maltreatment of horses. and then finally on ulez john says hi gb dewe— finally on ulez john says hi gb wewe rde— finally on ulez john says hi gb news the ulez— finally on ulez john says hi gb news the ulez issue . sorry it news the ulez issue. sorry it deeed-r— news the ulez issue. sorry it doesn't affect— news the ulez issue. sorry it doesn't affect me. i haven't drivew— doesn't affect me. i haven't erwed d— doesn't affect me. i haven't driven in london- doesn't affect me. i haven't driven in london in more than 20 wee— driven in london in more than 20 weere d-e— driven in london in more than 20 weere d-e e— driven in london in more than 20 years. it's a london— driven in london in more than 20 years. it's a london thing, so get— years. it's a london thing, so eee ew— years. it's a london thing, so eee ed wdd— years. it's a london thing, so eee ew wdd w— years. it's a london thing, so get on with it, muppets. after aw— get on with it, muppets. after eu, d— get on with it, muppets. after all, in chairman,— get on with it, muppets. after all, in chairman, you voted in cdeered— all, in chairman, you voted in chairman khan— all, in chairman, you voted in chairman khan to— all, in chairman, you voted in chairman khan to run the eeeded— chairman khan to run the eeprree. wedd— chairman khan to run the capital. john i'm afraid to tell you— capital. john i'm afraid to tell we we— capital. john i'm afraid to tell we we der— capital. john i'm afraid to tell you it's not just— capital. john i'm afraid to tell you it's not just london. as i mentioned— you it's not just london. as i mentioned there,— you it's not just london. as i mentioned there, you castle has a mentioned there, you castle has

e deere,— mentioned there, you castle has e edrdere, e— mentioned there, you castle has a climate, a zone— mentioned there, you castle has a climate, a zone or whatever rdew— a climate, a zone or whatever rdew weer— a climate, a zone or whatever rdew wedr re— a climate, a zone or whatever they want to call— a climate, a zone or whatever they want to call it. and other weee— they want to call it. and other cities throughout— they want to call it. and other cities throughout the uk as were.— cities throughout the uk as were. re— cities throughout the uk as well. it definitely just isn't dmrree— well. it definitely just isn't dmrree re— well. it definitely just isn't limited to london now, folks . limited to london now, folks. de— limited to london now, folks. we we— limited to london now, folks. it's the 111th _ limited to london now, folks. it's the 111th anniversary since the it's the 111th anniversary since we deeme— it's the 111th anniversary since the titanic ship— it's the 111th anniversary since the titanic ship sank and it etee— the titanic ship sank and it etee depeewe— the titanic ship sank and it also happens to— the titanic ship sank and it also happens to be 25 years eteee— also happens to be 25 years rde— also happens to be 25 years since the incomparable film eeerwwe— since the incomparable film starring leonardo dicaprio and were— starring leonardo dicaprio and were wderer— starring leonardo dicaprio and kate winslet lit,— starring leonardo dicaprio and kate winslet lit, which makes me feel kate winslet lit, which makes me feet ederedr— kate winslet lit, which makes me teet edetedt .— kate winslet lit, which makes me feel ancient . now— kate winslet lit, which makes me feel ancient . now i'm joined by feel ancient. now i'm joined by tewwettet— feel ancient. now i'm joined by journalist and— feel ancient. now i'm joined by journalist and titanic historian wett— journalist and titanic historian wett sew— journalist and titanic historian neil son heung—min right now. weteew— neil son heung—min right now. weteed tdedt— neil son heung—min right now. nelson thank you _ neil son heung—min right now. nelson thank you very much for weer— nelson thank you very much for weer tree— nelson thank you very much for weer ttrde tdte— nelson thank you very much for your time this is— nelson thank you very much for your time this is quite a big day— your time this is quite a big tew ter— your time this is quite a big day for titanic— your time this is quite a big day for titanic superfan fans, tee-t— day for titanic superfan fans, ted-t rte— day for titanic superfan fans, ted-t tte tde— day for titanic superfan fans, isn't it.7 the titanic's .7 “tit; isn't it.7 the titanic's.7 yes, tdet-e— isn't it.7 the titanic's.7 yes, tdet-e tett.— isn't it.7 the titanic's.7 yes, that's right. i— isn't it.7 the titanic's.7 yes, that's right. i am- isn't it.7 the titanic's.7 yes, that's right. i am a proud titanic is the is the moniker we have coined for ourselves. and april 15th is a day that's very important on our calendar. as you said, it's the 111th anniversary of the sinking and it can be very sombre. but it's also a day of remembrance because she is the ship of dreams. there are so many stories, human elements to her,

her tragedy , whether whether her tragedy, whether whether it's the romance , the mystery of it's the romance, the mystery of why it happened , the class why it happened, the class distinction of who survived and who didn't, the hubris of an unsinkable ship that could absolutely sink. we all know the story, but yet it always seems to compel us and i'm excited you're showing a little bit of the trailer from ship of dreams, titanic movie diaries. i'm part of this documentary that releases today. if you go to ship of dreams, film.com and this documentary by filmmaker alexander boyd reunite . it's alexander boyd reunite. it's some of the actors from james cameron's film . alexandra had a cameron's film. alexandra had a small part in the film. all those years ago, and she had the very clever idea of getting these support actors to write their diaries about the experience. and now a quarter century later, just in time for james cameron to rerelease his film, she has created this documentary. so it's really fascinating to see these these beloved characters that we've

come to know so well over the last several years. they share recollections behind the scenes stories and it gets quite emotional. darren that's the documentary there that people, of course, are free to google and find. now, what do you why do and find. now, what do you why te wee— and find. now, what do you why te wee recent— and find. now, what do you why do you reckon, if— and find. now, what do you why do you reckon, if i— and find. now, what do you why do you reckon, if i can- e�*t: �*" t: now, what do you why do you reckon, if i can ask you to do you reckon, if i can ask you te eet— do you reckon, if i can ask you te eet tete— do you reckon, if i can ask you to get into the— do you reckon, if i can ask you to get into the minds of the eedtte— to get into the minds of the eettte .— to get into the minds of the eettte , ute— to get into the minds of the public, like why— to get into the minds of the public , like why do we find the public, like why do we find the tttewte— public, like why do we find the tttedte d— public, like why do we find the titanic in particular? so fascinating?— titanic in particular? so fascinating? do you think we weett— fascinating? do you think we weett de— fascinating? do you think we weett de ee— fascinating? do you think we would be so intrigued if it went— would be so intrigued if it went ter— would be so intrigued if it wasn't for mr. _ would be so intrigued if it wasn't for mr. dicaprio? and of , rete— wasn't for mr. dicaprio? and of course , kate winslet? well we course, kate winslet? well we eertetth— course, kate winslet? well we certainly wouldn't be as twtrtgeet— certainly wouldn't be as intrigued if— certainly wouldn't be as intrigued if the ship had just det— intrigued if the ship had just det erdeetd— intrigued if the ship had just had smooth sailing and arrived in had smooth sailing and arrived d new— had smooth sailing and arrived d new vert— had smooth sailing and arrived in new york as— had smooth sailing and arrived in new york as planned. e in new york as planned. it's deeeee— in new york as planned. it's deeeee tt— in new york as planned. it's because it was— in new york as planned. it's because it was a _ in new york as planned. it's because it was a disaster of epic proportions that it is so timeless to us, like a 9/11 or a or vice vesuvius blowing. i mean, these are epic tragedy is where people from all walks of life are thrown together . this life are thrown together. this is the recipe for any successful disaster movie you see. and so you mentioned titanic , but it you mentioned titanic, but it really didn't have anything to

do with the love story of kate and leo, which, you know, was fictional and certainly very romantic , if you think of it romantic, if you think of it that way. but it was the fact that way. but it was the fact that third class, second class, first class men, women, people from all over the world, every demographic was represented on the same ship. and that's when the same ship. and that's when the great equaliser comes into play the great equaliser comes into play . darren. well, nelson , best play. darren. well, nelson, best of play. darren. well, nelson, best et teet— play. darren. well, nelson, best et tett wttd— play. darren. well, nelson, best of luck with the _ i well, nelson, best of luck with the documentary 113027“ well, nelson, best of luck with the documentary . of luck with the documentary. trd — of luck with the documentary. trd ee— of luck with the documentary. trd tt-e— of luck with the documentary. i'm sure it's going to be fascinating— i'm sure it's going to be fascinating and i'll watch it, eeet— fascinating and i'll watch it, eeet tt— fascinating and i'll watch it, eeet tt eet— fascinating and i'll watch it, seek it out myself. i promise you— seek it out myself. i promise wee tdet. — seek it out myself. i promise you that. nelson but thank you werw— you that. nelson but thank you werw meed— you that. nelson but thank you werw weed ter— you that. nelson but thank you very much for your— you that. nelson but thank you very much for your time today eet— very much for your time today edt ter— very much for your time today ewt ter joining— very much for your time today and forjoining us— very much for your time today and for joining us to actually commemorate— and for joining us to actually commemorate this anniversary . commemorate this anniversary. i'm commemorate this anniversary. trd going— commemorate this anniversary. trw going te— commemorate this anniversary. trw going te 90— commemorate this anniversary. trw going te ge te— commemorate this anniversary. i'm going to go to my esteemed eenet— i'm going to go to my esteemed eedet dew— i'm going to go to my esteemed eewet tde— i'm going to go to my esteemed panel now, the political commentator- panel now, the political commentator , reem ibrahim, commentator, reem ibrahim, and the broadcaster— commentator, reem ibrahim, and the broadcaster lawyer the broadcaster and lawyer andrew—join- the broadcaster and lawyer andrew—join me| the broadcaster and lawyer- andrew_join me now. andrew eborn still join me now. teerw— andrew eborn still join me now. teerw wee— andrew eborn still join me now. teerw wee e— andrew eborn still join me now. reem, are you a titanic fan? i wee drew,— reem, are you a titanic fan? i mean, you know, i— reem, are you a titanic fan? i mean, you know, i regret to say we— mean, you know, i regret to say we wee— mean, you know, i regret to say we wee mete— mean, you know, i regret to say that you make me— mean, you know, i regret to say that you make me feel ancient teee— that you make me feel ancient deee wee— that you make me feel ancient because you are— that you make me feel ancient because you are how old? remind my because you are how old? remind er — because you are how old? remind ww rte— because you are how old? remind my viewers. erg 20.— because you are how old? remind my viewers. erg 20. so you my viewers. erg 20. 20. so you weewt— my viewers. erg 20. 20. so you weren't even around. you were det— weren't even around. you were det eee— weren't even around. you were det e eter— weren't even around. you were not even a star in— weren't even around. you were not even a star in the sky. i det— not even a star in the sky. i was not even born when titanic

eet, det— was not even born when titanic came out, but it— was not even born when titanic came out, but it is— was not even born when titanic came out, but it is still one of my— came out, but it is still one of er ett— came out, but it is still one of ww ett tree— came out, but it is still one of my all time favourite movies. eh,— my all time favourite movies. ow good-— my all time favourite movies. oh, good. absolutely- my all time favourite movies. oh, good. absolutely we- my all time favourite movies. oh, good. absolutely we love it. and i think that what i particularly like about the movie the dynamic movie is the class dynamic between jack between between rose and jack and sort of came and how they sort of came together jack of together and jack sort of entering this world of the upper classes i think is fantastic. and a beautiful love story. andrew you have historic connections. _ andrew you have historic connections. i'm 25. i've just det— connections. i'm 25. i've just dee e— connections. i'm 25. i've just had a tough paper round. but no, absolutely . so my grandfather, absolutely. so my grandfather, the wonderful william wheeler, he actually supplied made silk bunds he actually supplied made silk blinds to the titanic. so a great chance to remember him as well. and it's extraordinary because they tried to bizarrely resurrect the titanic a couple of times, people and been trying to build the new one. they must learn history, i would have learn from history, i would have thought. they thought. but that's what they tried do. but william wheeler tried to do. but william wheeler remembering supply remembering him, he did supply bunds remembering him, he did supply blinds to titanic. wow. blinds to the titanic. wow. that's mean, blinds to the titanic. wow. that'simean, that's- that's i mean, that's impressive.- that's i mean, that's impressive. it's fantastic. i meew-tt— impressive. it's fantastic. i mean,-it comes- impressive. it's fantastic. i mean, it comes to these mean, when it comes to these eett— mean, when it comes to these eert et— mean, when it comes to these eert et teeeee— mean, when it comes to these sort of issues and— mean, when it comes to these sort of issues and these documentaries as created documentaries as being created to documentaries as being created te—ewewtei to commemorate these events, do you to commemorate these events, do wee-wetter— to commemorate these events, do you-harken back— to commemorate these events, do you- harken back to - to commemorate these events, do you harken back to the you think harken back to the eeet— you think harken back to the eeet te— you think harken back to the past is useful— you think harken back to the past is useful ?_ you think harken back to the past is useful ? because, you think harken back to the past is useful? because, i mean, tdere-e— past is useful? because, i mean, tdere-e e— past is useful? because, i mean, tdere-e e wdete— past is useful? because, i mean, there's a whole question in and of there's a whole question in and et tteett— there's a whole question in and et tteett. we— there's a whole question in and of itself. we live— there's a whole question in and of itself. we live in—

there's a whole question in and of itself. we live in an age in thed— of itself. we live in an age in which actually— of itself. we live in an age in which actually history and the eettttee— which actually history and the eettttee et— which actually history and the politics of that— which actually history and the politics of that history are tdteet— politics of that history are indeed controversial . "t; :iz; indeed controversial. they are controversial. i mean, as a history university student, i've got to say, i, i totally think that this stuff is fantastic. and i think that actually, looking back on our past is the only way we can look towards the future learn from the past. only way we can look towards the fimean, learn from the past. only way we can look towards the fimean, a learn from the past. only way we can look towards the fimean, a lotarn from the past. only way we can look towards the fimean, a lot of from the past. only way we can look towards the fimean, a lot of these the past. only way we can look towards the fimean, a lot of these political i mean, a lot of these political issues that we have at the moment when it comes to freedom of or with education of expression or with education reforms, things reforms, a lot of these things are things people fought are things that people fought for years as for 100 years ago as well. i mean, 1912 was a commemorative yean mean, 1912 was a commemorative year, just about into a world war. and there's a huge amount of politics that happened over there during that time. i think we have a lot to learn from the people of the titanic. andrew remember, people of the titanic. andrew temerddew d— people of the titanic. andrew remember, in history,- a" ti andrew remember, in history, important as remember, in history, important ee e tetedet— remember, in history, important as a futurist, what— remember, in history, important as a futurist, what i also do is we erettet— as a futurist, what i also do is we erettet tde— as a futurist, what i also do is we predict the future have 100% reeert— we predict the future have 100% eeert eet— we predict the future have 100% record and the— we predict the future have 100% record and the reason for that is record and the reason for that te-eew— record and the reason for that te-eew eeeete- record and the reason for that is say people turn up is i always say people turn up eet— is i always say people turn up edt eew— is i always say people turn up ewt eew dteterw— is i always say people turn up and say history repeats itself. aet— and say history repeats itself. ant-teeet— and say history repeats itself. and-reason history- and say history repeats itself. and the reason history repeats itself we don't learn itself is because we don't learn the history. so the lessons from history. so look virtually most look back at virtually most major events learn major events and learn those

lessons. have you got any lessons. so have you got any tree— lessons. so have you got any ttrdeltde— lessons. so have you got any time .the activists- so have you got any time the activists then that time for the activists then that say— time for the activists then that eew—drew, - time for the activists then that eew—drew, wel say actually, you know, we edeett— say actually, you know, we should denigrate history? should just denigrate history? i should just denigrate history? t-we— should just denigrate history? t-we edeett— should just denigrate history? i-we should-shinej i think we should always shine a spotlight it. we should spotlight on it. we should question because question everything because we're a sea we're drowning in a sea of information, misinformation, we're drowning in a sea of inforrof:ion, misinformation, we're drowning in a sea of inforrof which isinformation, we're drowning in a sea of inforrof which isi false ation, we're drowning in a sea of inforrof which isi false ,tion, we're drowning in a sea of inforrof which isi false , which is most of which is false, which is where we started on the show. all right. we did indeed. all right. yes we did indeed. well, honestly, it's been an edeetete— well, honestly, it's been an absolute pleasure joining the twe— absolute pleasure joining the two-remember- absolute pleasure joining the two remember him and two of you. remember him and andrew— two of you. remember him and andrew-thank- two of you. remember him and andrew thank very andrew eborn. thank you very meed. —eee weel andrew eborn. thank you very. much. _see you very much. pleasure to see you very meed. —dteet- much. pleasure to see you very much. _indeed ,- much. pleasure to see you very. much._indeed , again, much. now, folks, indeed, again, my much. now, folks, indeed, again, my-w— much. now, folks, indeed, again, mv-to my— much. now, folks, indeed, again, my-to my absolute- my thanks to my absolute drttttewt— my thanks to my absolute brilliant panel,— my thanks to my absolute brilliant panel, which i'm sure you— brilliant panel, which i'm sure wee eteee— brilliant panel, which i'm sure wee agree ee— brilliant panel, which i'm sure you agree as indeed all of my eeeete— you agree as indeed all of my eeeete ,— you agree as indeed all of my geeete, wett— you agree as indeed all of my guests , neil, i— you agree as indeed all of my guests , neil, i believe, is guests, neil, i believe, is going— guests, neil, i believe, is going te— guests, neil, i believe, is going te de— guests, neil, i believe, is going to be back next week. if de-e— going to be back next week. if dee dee— going to be back next week. if we det, ttt— going to be back next week. if he's not, i'll be— going to be back next week. if he's not, i'll be knocking at de— he's not, i'll be knocking at dte teet— he's not, i'll be knocking at his door and— he's not, i'll be knocking at his door and saying, come on, wet— his door and saying, come on, we, we— his door and saying, come on, we, we weet— his door and saying, come on, neil, we need you— his door and saying, come on, neil, we need you back, because he neil, we need you back, because de te— neil, we need you back, because he is absolutely— neil, we need you back, because he is absolutely brilliant. i'll be he is absolutely brilliant. i'll de teet— he is absolutely brilliant. i'll de deet d— he is absolutely brilliant. i'll be back in one— he is absolutely brilliant. i'll be back in one hour's time, tdeeew— be back in one hour's time, though, after— be back in one hour's time, though, after calvin robinson dee— though, after calvin robinson dee dte— though, after calvin robinson has his fantastic— though, after calvin robinson has his fantastic show for more tetetw— has his fantastic show for more tetetw tetete— has his fantastic show for more feisty debate with— has his fantastic show for more feisty debate with the saturday wtedt— feisty debate with the saturday wtedt twe— feisty debate with the saturday night five team. _ feisty debate with the saturday night five team. this week, eet— night five team. this week, we've got dominique samuels, so you we've got dominique samuels, so wee wee-t— we've got dominique samuels, so wee wed-t weet— we've got dominique samuels, so you won't want to— we've got dominique samuels, so you won't want to miss out on der— you won't want to miss out on her brilliant— you won't want to miss out on her brilliant contribution . but her brilliant contribution. but for her brilliant contribution. but ter dew— her brilliant contribution. but ter ttt— her brilliant contribution. but for now, i'll leave you in the eeeedte— for now, i'll leave you in the capable hands,— for now, i'll leave you in the capable hands, as i say, of tetetw— capable hands, as i say, of calvin robinson- capable hands, as i say, of calvin robinson and his common

sense crusade . g sense crusade. hello, i'm craig snell. here is your latest forecast from the met office. well, as we go through the next few days, for many us, it's few days, for many of us, it's going to be fairly cloudy tomorrow. but the brighter skies are return as we go into are set to return as we go into early week. here's the early next week. so here's the situation the moment. we've early next week. so here's the situ high the moment. we've early next week. so here's the situ high pressureioment. we've early next week. so here's the situ high pressure trying:. we've early next week. so here's the situ high pressure trying to ile've early next week. so here's the situ high pressure trying to move got high pressure trying to move in across the uk, but these two weather fronts will in weather fronts will move in across many western areas as we go through the next hours, go through the next 24 hours, bringing spell of bringing in another spell of cloud rain. you can it cloud and rain. you can see it on the graphics here already moving ireland and moving into northern ireland and eventually into scotland as the evening many evening goes on. for many eastern actually, it's eastern parts, actually, it's going remain dry with going to remain fairly dry with some skies , maybe the odd some clear skies, maybe the odd mist and fog patch, but also here just see touch here we could just see a touch of frost. but further west where we see the cloud and rain, it should be a fairly mild night. the recent so the compared to recent so tomorrow for a lot of us it starts off fairly grey. could you see some brightness across the east? but generally a lot of cloud around some outbreaks of rain too. quite light and patchy though mainly nuisance value more than anything else. but

then going into the afternoon, brighter skies for northern ireland scotland. may ireland and scotland. this may well few showers, but well trigger a few showers, but also quite warm here in also feeling quite warm here in the sunshine could highs the sunshine could see highs reaching 17 degrees, but still quite disappointing where that cloud lingers across of cloud lingers across parts of england and wales into the evening , a lot of the showers evening, a lot of the showers generally fade in away. so as we go into the small hours of monday, actually quite a lot of the generally dry, some the uk generally dry, some clear skies especially across skies, especially across scotland also across some scotland and also across some eastern parts of england too . eastern parts of england too. here again, could just see here again, we could just see a touch of frost, but where the cloud hangs on, it should be fairly mild for most. as we start monday morning. so going into monday , again, a fairly into monday, again, a fairly cloudy start across the west. but the clearer skies across the east will slowly spread their way a little bit further westwards as the day goes on. so some good sunshine developing across central, across the midlands, central, southern england, northern scotland and maybe also northern ireland, too. and in the sunshine, especially come tuesday , we could see highs tuesday, we could see highs reaching in the .

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