nonh hello and welcome . this is hello and welcome. this is calvin's common- a“: f this is calvin's common sense crusade . calvin's common sense crusade. with— calvin's common sense crusade. with me— calvin's common sense crusade. wnh the— calvin's common sense crusade. with me, the reverend calvin robinson— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your— robinson on your tv online and on your wireless— robinson on your tv online and on your wireless today. we will be discussing— on your wireless today. we will be discussing why— on your wireless today. we will be discussing why there is a shortage— be discussing why there is a shortage of— be discussing why there is a shortage of teachers and we'll oo— shortage of teachers and we'll cross to france _ shortage of teachers and we'll cross to france to _ shortage of teachers and we'll cross to france to speak to the loader— cross to france to speak to the leader of— cross to france to speak to the leader of o— cross to france to speak to the leader of a group— cross to france to speak to the leader of a group restoring oruoifixoo— leader of a group restoring crucifixes with— leader of a group restoring crucifixes with the message that they— crucifixes with the message that they live — crucifixes with the message that they live in— crucifixes with the message that ohoy mo in o— crucifixes with the message that they live in a christian country . plus,— they live in a christian country . plus, in— they live in a christian country . plus, in tho— they live in a christian country . plus, in the duel,— they live in a christian country . plus, in the duel, we'll be asking— . plus, in the duel, we'll be asking whether— . plus, in the duel, we'll be asking whether the is right asking whether the king is right to introduce— asking whether the king is right to introduce other— asking whether the king is right to introduce other faiths in his modernist— to introduce other faiths in his modernist and— to introduce other faiths in his modernist and inclusive orononon— modernist and inclusive coronation service or is he nononng— coronation service or is he watering down— coronation service or is he watering down the faith? he is no— watering down the faith? he is sworn to defend— watering down the faith? he is sworn to defend emma webb , my

sworn to defend emma webb, my oroonon— sworn to defend emma webb, my oroonon for— sworn to defend emma webb, my sidekick, for today. _ sworn to defend emma webb, my sidekick, for today. what will your— sidekick, for today. what will your none?— sidekick, for today. what will your none-v r— sidekick, for today. what will your take? i think that the orononon— your take? i think that the coronation should remain a cnrnnon— coronation should remain a christian celebration. i think oran— christian celebration. i think not ro— christian celebration. i think that it would be wrong to just wantonly disregard the christian heritage, not just of the monarchy , but also of many of monarchy, but also of many of our institutions. and nigel nelson, my nemesis for today. what's your take on that ? that what's your take on that? that the coronation— what's your take on that? that the coronation is— what's your take on that? that the coronation is as— what's your take on that? that the coronation is as much a constitute an event as a religious one and because church and state are bound together and charles has also been crowned as head of state, he therefore has no alternative but to go through a church of england service. us there we go. we'll have rt 2: rt.r::; us there we go. we'll have much on— there we go. we'll have much on non— there we go. we'll have much more of that in— there we go. we'll have much more of that in the duel coming up. our— more of that in the duel coming up. our before— more of that in the duel coming up. but before that, here's the unn— up. but before that, here's the news with tatiana— up. but before that, here's the news with tatiana sanchez . news with tatiana sanchez. curvin— news with tatiana sanchez. calvin, thank— news with tatiana sanchez. calvin, thank you. " calvin, thank you. this is the loneso— calvin, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. merseyside police says 23 arrests were made after animal rights activists crossed the track at the grand national .

track at the grand national. protesters breached security fences with at least two glueing themselves to a jump. the animal rising group says the event is cruel, with 60 horses dying at the aintree festival over the past 23 years. the disruption caused a 12 minute delay to the start of the race, which was eventually won by karim khan rambler . the eventually won by karim khan rambler. the government is under pressure to prevent the most extreme nurses strike. yet after the latest pay offer was rejected, members from the rcn voted against the 5% pay rise, meaning nhs nurses in emergency department, intensive care and cancer wards will take industrial action for the first time. the 48 hour walkout will start on the 30th of april, but 74% of unison members voted to accept the same offer . accept the same offer. meanwhile, royal mail and the communicate workers union have reached a deal on pay and employment terms. in a statement, the eu said the agreement will be considered by the executive of the union

before being voted on by the union's membership . details on union's membership. details on the agreement are expected next week . the shadow armed forces week. the shadow armed forces minister has told gb news a blind eye is being turned to predators around parliament. luke pollard has described westminster as the most unprofessional workplace he's encountered. speaking to gloria de piero, the mp who has recently announced he'll step back from politics, says victims of abuse and bullying are repeatedly being let down. i still don't think westminster is a safe place to work , especially a safe place to work, especially for many of the young members of staff that mps employ and we know that there are predators around westminster that are sometimes allowed to continue or a blind eye turned and i want to see that changed because i think westminster should embody the very best of our country. it should be a place that- should be a place that people ospre— should be a place that people oonrro no,— should be a place that people aspire no, no— should be a place that people aspire to, to get— should be a place that people aspire to, to get elected to, onu— aspire to, to get elected to, and non— aspire to, to get elected to, and then want— aspire to, to get elected to, and then want to change the noun— and then want to change the your from — and then want to change the world from a— and then want to change the world from a position of strongm— world from a position of strength. afraid world from a position of- strength.-afraid that at strength. and i'm afraid that at the-sometimes- the moment i sometimes feel

westminster— the moment i sometimes feel westminster-the- the moment i sometimes feel westminster the rest of the westminster lets the rest of the country— westminster lets the rest of the oounrry noun. — westminster lets the rest of the country down. you— westminster lets the rest of the country down. /r:::r. rt?“ westminster lets the rest of the country down. /r:::r. t " t country down. you can watch that full interview with the shadow armed forces minister luke pollard on gloria meets tomorrow at the scottish at 6 pm. the scottish government is considering drafting in the army to help run the key highland ferry service. it's after a vessel broke down last friday, resulting in a 42 mile diversion for on prospective passengers. the five minute crossing usually carries more than 270,000 cars a year. currently there's only a foot passenger service operating twice a day . and demonstrators twice a day. and demonstrators have gathered in london's trafalgar square to protest against the expansion of the ultra low emission zone . if it ultra low emission zone. if it goes ahead, drivers in outer london will have to pay £12.50 a day if their vehicles don't meet emission standards. five kyiv conservative led councils have launched legal action against the plans, but the mayor of london's office calls the challenge costly and misguided and argues the proposal is life

saving . this is gb news. we'll saving. this is gb news. we'll bnng saving. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to calvin where's our collective moral compass gone ? this week, the bbc compass gone? this week, the bbc rorooooo— compass gone? this week, the bbc rorooooo o— compass gone? this week, the bbc released a documentary— rt.r:::rt�* g“ this week, the bbc released a documentary series oouoo— released a documentary series called facelift_ released a documentary series called facelift ,_ released a documentary series called facelift , which follows called facelift, which follows nonoooxuor— called facelift, which follows homosexual couple darren and tom as homosexual couple darren and tom on nnoy— homosexual couple darren and tom on nnoy run— homosexual couple darren and tom on nnoy o— homosexual couple darren and tom as they run a cosmetic clinic onu— as they run a cosmetic clinic and proceed— as they run a cosmetic clinic and proceed to— as they run a cosmetic clinic and proceed to procure a baby from— and proceed to procure a baby from one— and proceed to procure a baby from one us— and proceed to procure a baby from the us in— and proceed to procure a baby from the us in the trailer, the for one— from the us in the trailer, the for one nour— from the us in the trailer, the for the four part— from the us in the trailer, the for the four part documentary, dr. for the four part documentary, or. darren— for the four part documentary, dr. darren and— for the four part documentary, dr. darren and his husband talk aboun— dr. darren and his husband talk about one— dr. darren and his husband talk about the difficulty of ooournng— about the difficulty of ooournng o- about the difficulty of acquiring a baby in the uk due to our— acquiring a baby in the uk due to our surrogacy_ acquiring a baby in the uk due to our surrogacy laws being roouy— to our surrogacy laws being really complex,— to our surrogacy laws being really complex, as if buying a bony— really complex, as if buying a bony snouro— really complex, as if buying a baby should be— really complex, as if buying a baby should be easier instead of onoyrng— baby should be easier instead of onoyrng un— baby should be easier instead of onoyrng un row,— baby should be easier instead of obeying uk law, they found it no— obeying uk law, they found it to fly— obeying uk law, they found it easier to fly abroad, purchase a bony— easier to fly abroad, purchase a baby from— easier to fly abroad, purchase a baby from america and fly back . baby from america and fly back. non,— baby from america and fly back. non, onero— baby from america and fly back. well, there was— baby from america and fly back. well, there was a— baby from america and fly back. well, there was a time when paying— well, there was a time when paying for— well, there was a time when paying for another human being noun— paying for another human being your nove— paying for another human being

would have been— paying for another human being would have been considered orovory. — would have been considered slavery. babies— would have been considered slavery. babies are not commodities- slavery. babies are not commodities to be bought or traded— commodities to be bought or traded from — commodities to be bought or traded from abroad. that is nunon— traded from abroad. that is human trafficking , surely. and human trafficking, surely. and women-non— human trafficking, surely. and women not incubators to women are not incubators to runn— women are not incubators to run o— women are not incubators to run o onto— women are not incubators to birth a child for— women are not incubators to birth a child for it to then be rnnoorooory— birth a child for it to then be immediately taken from her. oh, nou— immediately taken from her. oh, how misogynistic_ immediately taken from her. oh, how misogynistic is that? i noun— how misogynistic is that? i nouro soy— how misogynistic is that? i nouro soy o— how misogynistic is that? i would say a baby deserves to grow— would say a baby deserves to grow up— would say a baby deserves to grow up runn— would say a baby deserves to grow up with the— would say a baby deserves to grow up with the love of its nonnor— grow up with the love of its nonnor onu— grow up with the love of its mother and father and to be snooonoo— mother and father and to be snatched away— mother and father and to be snatched away at birth for the nrgnoon— snatched away at birth for the highest paving— snatched away at birth for the highest paying bidder is abhorrent. _ highest paying bidder is abhorrent. designer couple, abhorrent. a designer couple, connote— abhorrent. a designer couple, complete with— abhorrent. a designer couple, complete with their designer oronnoo— complete with their designer oronnoo onu— complete with their designer clothes and designer, faces , clothes and designer, faces, nonn— clothes and designer, faces, want no— clothes and designer, faces, want to purchase a designer baby as want to purchase a designer baby on n— want to purchase a designer baby on if one— want to purchase a designer baby on if one ro— want to purchase a designer baby on if one is o— want to purchase a designer baby as if she is a fashion accessory . ano— as if she is a fashion accessory . and one— as if she is a fashion accessory . and one noc— as if she is a fashion accessory . and the bbc is— as if she is a fashion accessory . and the bbc is showcasing this as . and the bbc is showcasing this on n— . and the bbc is showcasing this on n n— . and the bbc is showcasing this on n n ro— . and the bbc is showcasing this as if it is morally— . and the bbc is showcasing this as if it is morally acceptable . as if it is morally acceptable. ano— as if it is morally acceptable. ann unen— as if it is morally acceptable. ann unon r— as if it is morally acceptable. and when i say— as if it is morally acceptable. and when i say designer baby, i n— and when i say designer baby, i n in— and when i say designer baby, i mean it in the— and when i say designer baby, i mean it in the literal sense noo. — mean it in the literal sense noo. rno— mean it in the literal sense too. the couple— mean it in the literal sense too. the couple talked about how nnoy— too. the couple talked about how rnoy soroonoo— too. the couple talked about how they selected their— too. the couple talked about how they selected their baby based on one— they selected their baby based on the genetics— they selected their baby based on the genetics of her biological— on the genetics of her biological family. on the genetics of her biological family . this is biological family. this is gongorouuy— biological family. this is dangerously close to eugenics , dangerously close to eugenics, as dangerously close to eugenics, on nnoro-o— dangerously close to eugenics, on nnoro-o o— dangerously close to eugenics, as there's a reason the so corrod— as there's a reason the so called liberal— as there's a reason the so called liberal left has been guonrng— called liberal left has been guonrng no— called liberal left has been pushing to smash heteronormativity and destroy heteronorm ativity and destroy the heteronormativity and destroy the traditional— heteronormativity and destroy the traditional family mentions of the traditional family mentions onono— the traditional family mentions of the nuclear— the traditional family mentions of the nuclear family bring aboun— of the nuclear family bring about spurns— of the nuclear family bring about spurns of homophobia and oronoononro— about spurns of homophobia and transphobia as—

about spurns of homophobia and transphobia as if— about spurns of homophobia and transphobia as if wanting the nunon— transphobia as if wanting the human race to— transphobia as if wanting the human race to continue to exist ong— human race to continue to exist and nnnvo— human race to continue to exist and onrrvo n— human race to continue to exist and onrrvo n o— human race to continue to exist and thrive is a bad— human race to continue to exist and thrive is a bad thing. i noun— and thrive is a bad thing. i would soy— and thrive is a bad thing. i would say one— and thrive is a bad thing. i would say one of the reasons god oroornoo— would say one of the reasons god ordained marriage— would say one of the reasons god ordained marriage to be between one man and one woman is for the purposes— one man and one woman is for the purposes on— one man and one woman is for the purposes of procreation reason so-nunons— purposes of procreation reason so-nunons son- purposes of procreation reason so humans can continue to so that humans can continue to sunroo— so that humans can continue to surwwo .orso — so that humans can continue to surwwolorso so— so that humans can continue to survive, also so that we can survive, but also so that we can roost— survive, but also so that we can create families— survive, but also so that we can create families which are good for one— create families which are good for the community and also for the for the community and also for one worsnro— for the community and also for the worship-god. _ for the community and also for the worship god. it's not the worship of god. it's not rocket— the worship of god. it's not rocket-.— the worship of god. it's not roonon-. n-s- the worship of god. it's not rocket . it's destroy the worship of god. it's not- rocket-. it's destroy the rocket science. it's destroy the funny— rocket science. it's destroy the family unn— rocket science. it's destroy the family unit .— rocket science. it's destroy the family unit . you— rocket science. it's destroy the family unit . you destroy the family unit. you destroy the community.— family unit. you destroy the community. that and you community. do that and you destroy— community. do that and you destroy our— community. do that and you destroy our nation state. and every— destroy our nation state. and every-way— destroy our nation state. and owory-woylour- destroy our nation state. and every way our life every single way of our life wnoro— every single way of our life wnoro onu— every single way of our life where and society is built on one— where and society is built on the foundation— where and society is built on the foundation of the family unn— the foundation of the family unit centred— the foundation of the family unit centred around christian wouosr — unit centred around christian values. those— unit centred around christian values. those values are being eroded.— values. those values are being oroooo. an— values. those values are being eroded. at the— values. those values are being eroded. at the same time as the nanny— eroded. at the same time as the family unn— eroded. at the same time as the nanny unn rs— eroded. at the same time as the family unit is being replaced. so family unit is being replaced. so wnon— family unit is being replaced. so what will— family unit is being replaced. so what will be— family unit is being replaced. so what will be left ? surely we so what will be left? surely we nowo — so what will be left? surely we nowo o— so what will be left? surely we nowo o nonr— so what will be left? surely we have a moral duty— so what will be left? surely we have a moral duty to say this is non— have a moral duty to say this is non okay— have a moral duty to say this is non okoy n— have a moral duty to say this is not okay if surrogacy laws in one— not okay if surrogacy laws in one un— not okay if surrogacy laws in one us are— not okay if surrogacy laws in the uk are complex, perhaps we noon— the uk are complex, perhaps we need no— the uk are complex, perhaps we noon to none— the uk are complex, perhaps we need to make them even more so. snouro— need to make them even more so. snouro n— need to make them even more so. snouro in non— need to make them even more so. should it not be— need to make them even more so. should it not be illegal to ouronoso— should it not be illegal to oursnoso o— should it not be illegal to purchase a baby from abroad? and as o nonon— purchase a baby from abroad? and as a nation with— purchase a baby from abroad? and as a nation with declining birth runes— as a nation with declining birth rates ong— as a nation with declining birth rates and declining fertility roses— rates and declining fertility rates ong— rates and declining fertility roses and o— rates and declining fertility rates and a number of social onsrng— rates and a number of social issues arising as—

rates and a number of social issues arising as a direct resurr— issues arising as a direct result on— issues arising as a direct result of fatherlessness and the breakdown — result of fatherlessness and the breakdown of— result of fatherlessness and the breakdown of the— result of fatherlessness and the breakdown of the family, we snouro — breakdown of the family, we snouro no — breakdown of the family, we should be asking ourselves the question— should be asking ourselves the question what— should be asking ourselves the question what kind of nation do we won— question what kind of nation do we wont oo— question what kind of nation do we wont to no— question what kind of nation do we want to be a— question what kind of nation do we want to be a nation that suggons— we want to be a nation that supgons onu— we want to be a nation that supports and encourages the traditional— supports and encourages the traditional family nation traditional family or a nation of designer— traditional family or a nation of designer babies for designer rnosnyros— of designer babies for designer unosoyros .— lifestyles. wow- lifestyles. now who will lifestyles. - now who will and lifestyles. _ now who will and who mesons.— now who will and who won't be attending— now who will and who won't be attending one— now who will and who won't be attending the king's coronation has attending the king's coronation nos noon— attending the king's coronation nos been one— attending the king's coronation has been the topic of everyone's sonworsonon — has been the topic of everyone's conversation this— has been the topic of everyone's conversation this week. but when it conversation this week. but when in songs— conversation this week. but when n no— conversation this week. but when it comes to this— conversation this week. but when it comes to this momentous or— it comes to this momentous occasion of pomp and ceremony, snore-s— occasion of pomp and ceremony, there's something— occasion of pomp and ceremony, there's something else that i find— there's something else that i nnolno— there's something else that i find-be much— there's something else that i find be much more concerning find to be much more concerning . cnuron— find to be much more concerning . church sources— find to be much more concerning . church sources say— find to be much more concerning . church sources say the monarch nos— . church sources say the monarch nos noon— . church sources say the monarch nos noon now— . church sources say the monarch has been told desire for has been told his desire for a diverse— has been told his desire for a diverse ceremony,— has been told his desire for a diverse ceremony, including gonrorgonon— diverse ceremony, including participation by— diverse ceremony, including participation by non—christians, risks— participation by non—christians, risks clashing— participation by non—christians, risks clashing with centuries old oonon— risks clashing with centuries old canon law— risks clashing with centuries old canon law ,_ risks clashing with centuries old canon law , which bars muslim old canon law, which bars muslim nrnou— old canon law, which bars muslim nrnou .— old canon law, which bars muslim nrnou , rowrsn— old canon law, which bars muslim hindu , jewish and— old canon law, which bars muslim hindu , jewish and other faith hindu, jewish and other faith roooors— hindu, jewish and other faith leaders from _ hindu, jewish and other faith leaders from reading out prayers ourrng— leaders from reading out prayers during one— leaders from reading out prayers during the service.— leaders from reading out prayers during the service. so is the king— during the service. so is the nrng ngnn— during the service. so is the nrng ngnr no— during the service. so is the king right to introduce multi—faith_ king right to introduce multi—faith elements to his more nooornrso— multi—faith elements to his more nooornrso ong— multi—faith elements to his more modernist and inclusive orononon— modernist and inclusive coronation service? or is he

wononng— coronation service? or is he woronng gown— coronation service? or is he watering down the faith he has oo— watering down the faith he has sworn to defend?— watering down the faith he has sworn to defend? add this all nrrngs— sworn to defend? add this all brings us— sworn to defend? add this all nnngs us no— sworn to defend? add this all brings us to this— sworn to defend? add this all brings us to this week's duel uno— brings us to this week's duel and o— brings us to this week's duel and to join— brings us to this week's duel and to join me— brings us to this week's duel and to join me on the duel this week— and to join me on the duel this week on— and to join me on the duel this week on my— and to join me on the duel this week on my duellists sidekick, rnno— week on my duellists sidekick, rrnno woun— week on my duellists sidekick, emma webb, and— week on my duellists sidekick, emma webb, and this week's nemesis, formerly britain's longest— nemesis, formerly britain's longest serving— nemesis, formerly britain's longest serving political editor , nrgor— longest serving political editor , wrgor nelson.— longest serving political editor , nigel nelson. thank you both so muon— , nigel nelson. thank you both so nuon nor— , nigel nelson. thank you both so much forjoining me this so much for joining me this week.— so much for joining me this week. r-n— so much for joining me this week. i'm going— so much for joining me this week. i'm going to start with urgen— week. i'm going to start with nigel-wag— week. i'm going to start with nigel,-want to- week. i'm going to start with nigel, want to get your nigel, and i want to get your nono— nigel, and i want to get your none-ons— nigel, and i want to get your take .this. should- nigel, and i want to get your take this. should king be take on this. should the king be wononng— take on this. should the king be wagering-our— take on this. should the king be watering-our faith- take on this. should the king be watering our faith in this watering down our faith in this orononon— watering down our faith in this coronation-order- watering down our faith in this coronation order to coronation service in order to be coronation service in order to no-rnoruswo— coronation service in order to be-inclusive and- coronation service in order to be inclusive and diverse? be more inclusive and diverse? he be more inclusive and diverse? no-no— be more inclusive and diverse? no-no guss— be more inclusive and diverse? no-no r-uso con-o— be more inclusive and diverse? he-he just can't do- be more inclusive and diverse? he-he just can't do it.- he can't he just can't do it. this matter for the next this is a matter for the next coronation rather than this one. so because he is the head of state and the church, church and state and the church, church and state are intertwined , he must, state are intertwined, he must, as head of the church of england, go through a church of england, go through a church of england service . now, that england service. now, that doesn't mean you don't include other religions or even none. but the only way i can see you can do that is certainly not in the ceremony. you might, for instance, be able to find an acceptable form of words to everyone, which is an oath of

loyalty to the king. a prayer, perhaps, and put it on the service sheet that the other religions could sign. i don't know how the humanists would quite cope with that, but you could do something that. could do something like that. but can't do is change the but you can't do is change the actual ceremony . de because that actual ceremony. de because that is part of our constitution. i tend to agree with you. i'm surprised. nigel thank- surprised. nigel thank you. emmo— surprised. nigel thank you. rnrnrn vern— surprised. nigel thank you. emma yeah, amen- surprised. nigel thank you. emma yeah, amen to- surprised. nigel thank you. emma yeah, amen to that. do we agree is king charles trying to be an absolute monarch here? is he trying to override 3" t , is he trying to override centuries old rows— he trying to override centuries our laws onu— he trying to override centuries old laws and canon laws? l old laws and canon laws? it's interesting— old laws and canon laws? it's interesting that— old laws and canon laws? it's interesting that ironically, he seems to be something seems to be doing something that's much in the that's very much in the tradition king charles's. tradition of the king charles's. i trying to, at least i think he's trying to, at least as far as we know, from what has come out in the press. he seems to be in characteristic fashion trying to assert his own character on on on the coronation . and i think there coronation. and i think there are a lot of people who have defended him, have said it's his right to do so. how dare you comment on this? you're not in the family. you have no the royal family. you have no sort of rights over how this should be done. don't should be done. and i don't think that's true at all. and i

think that's true at all. and i think you agree with you think you i agree with you completely. is this is completely. this is this is a constant national matter. i think should really be think that we should really be very standing by very staunch in standing by canon on and really canon law on this. and really fighting back against the really the accusation, the argument that to be a christian country , that to be a christian country, to have to acknowledge the roots of our christian institutions , of our christian institutions, the roots of our law within christianity , the fact that christianity, the fact that christianity, the fact that christianity and our christian culture and tradition and history is responsible for the liberties that we enjoy today. and i think that we should be very staunch in defending that. and making it very clear that actually , like i said, a lot of actually, like i said, a lot of the liberties that we enjoy today are a result of that christian heritage. and therefore it's not to the exclusion of people of other faiths or tolerance of people who different beliefs . yes, who have different beliefs. yes, they be involved in the they can be involved in the coronation some but to coronation in some way, but to involve them in the ceremony in contradiction to canon law would simply be wrong . wrong. and simply be wrong. wrong. and i also think that it would be he i think it would be seriously

misled. i think it would have knock this would knock on effects for this would send a message to other institutions . and we do live in institutions. and we do live in this kind of culture of repudiation, scruton repudiation, as roger scruton called it, where we're constantly denigrating our own history and traditions. constantly denigrating our own history and traditions . and i history and traditions. and i think king charles should know better that. he's a very better than that. he's a very well read and he should be well read man, and he should be standing up for the traditions of coronation, think, as of the coronation, i think, as his have wanted. his mother would have wanted. well, the idea of well, he did float the idea of nong— well, he did float the idea of being defender— well, he did float the idea of being defender of faith. mean, being defender of faith. i mean, ongo— being defender of faith. i mean, woo-or— being defender of faith. i mean, onus-on nrs— being defender of faith. i mean, that of his original that was one of his original woos.— that was one of his original woos-gono— that was one of his original. ideas.-gone-that ideas. he's gone back on that nur— ideas. he's gone back on that nun snoo— ideas. he's gone back on that now. but that again, it wasn't nossrnro. — now. but that again, it wasn't gossrnro. .— now. but that again, it wasn't possible. i mean,— now. but that again, it wasn't possible. i mean, i think that wnon— possible. i mean, i think that wnon n— possible. i mean, i think that when it comes— possible. i mean, i think that when it comes down to christian nroornons— traditions, that emma was rowing— traditions, that emma was talking-there,- traditions, that emma was talking there, there traditions, that emma was talking-there, there a talking about, there, there is a sign— talking about, there, there is a sngnr problem— talking about, there, there is a slight problem with this with talking about, there, there is a sligrest'oblem with this with talking about, there, there is a sligrest of lem with this with talking about, there, there is a sligrest of the with this with talking about, there, there is a sligrest of the world,lis with talking about, there, there is a sligrest of the world, because the rest of the world, because wnon—onoo- the rest of the world, because what—that all. the rest of the world, because. what—that all the what we've done is that all the org-o— what we've done is that all the major institutions— what we've done is that all the major institutions set up by the roost— major institutions set up by the roost-unno- major institutions set up by the west united nations, us west from the united nations, us to who— west from the united nations, us to noro .— west from the united nations, us to noro , no— west from the united nations, us to noro , oo ony— west from the united nations, us to nato , to any other major kind to nato, to any other major kind of international— to nato, to any other major kind of international institutions , i of international institutions, i nosoo— of international institutions, i mean, based on— of international institutions, i mean, based on christian values, snot-s— mean, based on christian values, onoo-s ou— mean, based on christian values, onoo-s on very— mean, based on christian values, that's all very well,— mean, based on christian values, that's all very well, but that's nonng— that's all very well, but that's nowng on— that's all very well, but that's making an assumption that the cnrrsnon— making an assumption that the christian values— making an assumption that the christian values are the right ono— christian values are the right ones and values— christian values are the right ones and values and the rest of the ones and values and the rest of one wond— ones and values and the rest of the world aren't. _ ones and values and the rest of the world aren't. but the rest of the world aren't. but the rest on one— the world aren't. but the rest on one wond— the world aren't. but the rest of the world does—

the world aren't. but the rest of the world does follow us. yesr _ of the world does follow us. vos. onoo-s— of the world does follow us. yes, that's right— of the world does follow us. yes, that's right .— of the world does follow us. yes, that's right. you- of the world does follow us. yes, that's right . you mean yes yes, that's right. you mean yes . yes. you agree that's what snouro— . yes. you agree that's what snouro noooon— . yes. you agree that's what should happen ?_ yes. you agree that's what should happen ? yes. but you should happen? yes. but you don-o— should happen? yes. but you oon-n onrnk— should happen? yes. but you don't think that— should happen? yes. but you don't think that is actually forty— don't think that is actually fairly disrupting to into nononor— fairly disrupting to into national relations? no, because to rotors— national relations? no, because to relate with— national relations? no, because to relate with other nations, vou— to relate with other nations, you don-o— to relate with other nations, you don't have— to relate with other nations, you don't have to take on board onorr— you don't have to take on board onorrworuos. — you don't have to take on board their values. you _ you don't have to take on board their values. /r:::r. you don't have to take on board their values. /r1:4 �*" r: their values. you have to find a common ground. and i think the problem here is that we're addressing multicultural ism, aren't we? we're saying we are a multicultural society. how do we show in the ceremony show that in the ceremony of coronating, our new king? coronating, our our new king? and in fact, i don't think we need to. think the reason need to. i think the reason we're multicultural is because people faiths people of other faiths and cultures come live cultures want to come and live in england because they like our culture they our culture and they like our values. therefore should values. so therefore we should shine our values shine forward with our values and is what means and say, this is what it means to be a christian country. this is a christian ceremony. christian can christian service. you can you can board. you can can take it on board. you can admire it. you can be a part of it, but you can't change it. but we actually use christianity as an excuse to— but we actually use christianity as an excuse to the as an excuse to colonise the rest— as an excuse to colonise the rest or— as an excuse to colonise the rest or-worro— as an excuse to colonise the rest of-world on- as an excuse to colonise the rest of world on the basis rest of the world on the basis onoo— rest of the world on the basis onoo onoo-s— rest of the world on the basis that that's mystery. hang on. that that's a mystery. hang on. on that that's a mystery. hang on. on-onoo— that that's a mystery. hang on. on that christianity on the basis that christianity was undoubtedly thing. it

was undoubtedly a good thing. it is. was undoubtedly a good thing. it is yes— was undoubtedly a good thing. it is voslonrnk— was undoubtedly a good thing. it is. yes,ithink it— was undoubtedly a good thing. it is. yes,ithink it is— is. yes, i think it is undoubtedly a good but undoubtedly a good thing. but oonor—onrnkl undoubtedly a good thing. but. other—think that other people may not think that -onongoo— other people may not think that now. -changed that- other people may not think that now. changed that round, now. we've changed that round, soioonon— now. we've changed that round, so export democracy go and so we export democracy to go and node— so we export democracy to go and invade—countries- so we export democracy to go and invade—countries andi invade and islamic countries and soy.— invade and islamic countries and soy—nove- invade and islamic countries andi soy—nowo say, oh, what you must have now is say, oh, what you must have now rs—ano— say, oh, what you must have now rs—ano n-s— say, oh, what you must have now rs—ano n-s o- say, oh, what you must have now is_and it's a kind- say, oh, what you must have now is_and it's a kind of. is democracy. and it's a kind of western— is democracy. and it's a kind of western torn — is democracy. and it's a kind of western form of— is democracy. and it's a kind of western form of democracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswen form of democracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswe so>rm of democracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswe so certainiemocracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswe so certain that cracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswe so certain that these why are we so certain that these tntngs— are we so certain that these things-absolute- are we so certain that these things absolute albie right. things are absolute albie right. you to— things are absolute albie right. you to you— things are absolute albie right. you do you agree— things are absolute albie right. you do you agree with nigel that we snouto— you do you agree with nigel that we snouto ston— you do you agree with nigel that we should stop colonising ountnes— we should stop colonising- countries—democracy countries in favour of democracy ont— countries in favour of democracy ont stort— countries in favour of democracy and start colonising in favour of and start colonising in favour ot—t- and start colonising in favour ot—t ootti of christianity again? i call trot— of christianity again? i call that turned— of christianity again? i call that turned it— of christianity again? i call that turned it round. yeah. well spicy calvin . i think that spicy calvin. i think that tnere-s— spicy calvin. i think that there's this— ear 1“ i think that there's this prevailing idea tnot— there's this prevailing idea that neutrality— there's this prevailing idea that neutrality is possible. the tnstttuttons— that neutrality is possible. the institutions ,_ that neutrality is possible. the institutions , countries, institutions, countries, international institutions can international institutions can tn woy— international institutions can tn woy te— international institutions can in some way be neutral and oetuotty— in some way be neutral and actually liberalism and liberal tenoeroey— actually liberalism and liberal democracy for— actually liberalism and liberal democracy for a _ actually liberalism and liberal democracy for a long time presumed— democracy for a long time gresuneo tn— democracy for a long time presumed in a— democracy for a long time presumed in a way presumed its neutrottty— presumed in a way presumed its own neutrality. and that was one of own neutrality. and that was one ot tne — own neutrality. and that was one ot tne woys— own neutrality. and that was one ot tne woys tn— own neutrality. and that was one of the ways in which it tustttteo— of the ways in which it justified spreading itself oroun— justified spreading itself around the— justified spreading itself around the world. so think we around the world. so i think we need— around the world. so i think we neeolte— around the world. so i think we needlbe honest— around the world. so i think we need be honest with ourselves need to be honest with ourselves tnot— need to be honest with ourselves wot—.— need to be honest with ourselves that_, countries,- that institutions, countries, euttures— that institutions, countries, cultures historical that institutions, countries,l cultures-historical , cultures are not a historical, neutrot— cultures are not a historical, neutral things— cultures are not a historical, neutral things that exist outstoe— neutral things that exist outside of— neutral things that exist outside of time and culture and troottton— outside of time and culture and tradition, but— outside of time and culture and tradition, but actually are

rooted— tradition, but actually are rooted tn— tradition, but actually are rooted in particular histories ont— rooted in particular histories ont otner— rooted in particular histories and other countries are entitled to tnot— and other countries are entitled to that themselves. there's notntng— to that themselves. there's notntng wrong— to that themselves. there's nothing wrong or exclusionary otout— nothing wrong or exclusionary about acknowledging the cnrtstton— about acknowledging the christian roots of this country ont— christian roots of this country and treasuring_ christian roots of this country and treasuring that because we see and treasuring that because we tne— and treasuring that because we tne gooe— and treasuring that because we see the good that— and treasuring that because we see the good that it has done in the see the good that it has done in tne wont— see the good that it has done in tne worto os— see the good that it has done in the world as well— see the good that it has done in the world as well as rikki neave rtstng— the world as well as rikki neave .rgng, tnot— the world as well as rikki neave rising, that sometimes these tntngs—ono- rising, that sometimes these tntngs—ono geti things get distorted and get used— things get distorted and get used-nut- things get distorted and get used-but it's- things get distorted and get used but it's insisting used for bad. but it's insisting our-s— used for bad. but it's insisting our-is better- used for bad. but it's insisting our-is better than- our morality is better than tnetrs. —tsl our morality is better than- theirs. _is better theirs. some morality is better tnon— theirs. some morality is better tnon-otner— theirs. some morality is better than-other people- theirs. some morality is better than other people assert. than what other people assert. norottty. — than what other people assert. norottty. wot— than what other people assert. morality. not all— than what other people assert. morality. \rr1::r. gt; morality. not all things are equal morality. not all things are equal. are equal. not all cultures are equal equal. not all cultures are equal. beliefs are equal. not all beliefs are equal equal. not all beliefs are equal. but i love it when the left the right come left and the right come to a common ground. i'm doing a poll on twitter to find out what you guys about this as well. guys think about this as well. is right to introduce is the king right to introduce multi—faith to his more multi—faith prayers to his more modernist inclusive modernist and inclusive coronation it coronation service, or should it remain christian service? coronation service, or should it remaiiare christian service? coronation service, or should it remaiiare two ;tian service? coronation service, or should it remaiiare two options vice? coronation service, or should it remaiiare two options there for there are two options there for you on throughout the you to vote on throughout the show, the is open until show, and the poll is open until 7:40 so you've still got 7:40 pm. so you've still got plenty of time cast your vote plenty of time to cast your vote and i'll bring you the results before of the programme before the end of the programme next getting behind next up, we'll be getting behind the delving further the headline by delving further into many coronation into the many coronation conundrums the unparalleled conundrums with the unparalleled historian broadcaster dr. historian and broadcaster dr. david starkey. don't go away .

welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv onune calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless . online and on your wireless. three weeks today, many of us no doubt will be glued to our screens to witness the historic event of king charles's coronation. the king or queen of england, has been christian since the seventh century, a mission began in the sixth mission that began in the sixth century. and i've been speaking to and to broadcaster, historian and self proclaimed atheist dr. david starkey about what our future looks like with king charles iii on the throne. here's what he had to say. gb news website alleges that the order of service for king charles's coronation has been delayed because of disagreements between him and the church about

faith. elements of the service . faith. elements of the service. as a self—proclaimed atheist , as a self—proclaimed atheist, david, would you describe the coronation as an explicitly christian service ? the christian service? the coronation is 13“ rt.r1:;? the coronation is utterly 31“ rt.r1:;7 the coronation is utterly and otsotutety— coronation is utterly and absolutely explicitly christian in absolutely explicitly christian tn tne— absolutely explicitly christian tn tne sense— absolutely explicitly christian in the sense of— absolutely explicitly christian in the sense of the body of the serwtee. — in the sense of the body of the serwtee. tne— in the sense of the body of the service. the to— in the sense of the body of the service. the to the— in the sense of the body of the service. the to the notions of onotnttng— service. the to the notions of onotnttng .— service. the to the notions of anointing , the— service. the to the notions of anointing , the notions of anointing, the notions of onotnttng— anointing, the notions of onotnttng .— anointing, the notions of anointing , which is the heart of anointing, which is the heart of all anointing, which is the heart of ott ot— anointing, which is the heart of ott ot tnts— anointing, which is the heart of ott ot tnts .— anointing, which is the heart of all of this , and— anointing, which is the heart of all of this , and not even all of this, and not even specifically _ all of this, and not even specifically christian there, out— specifically christian there, old testament— specifically christian there, old testament , they go back to old testament, they go back to the old testament, they go back to tne onotnttng— old testament, they go back to the anointing by— old testament, they go back to the anointing by the prophet sonuet— the anointing by the prophet sonuet ot— the anointing by the prophet samuel of the— the anointing by the prophet samuel of the first king of the tsroetttes— samuel of the first king of the israelites or— samuel of the first king of the israelites or the— samuel of the first king of the israelites or the first king of tne— israelites or the first king of tne rews— israelites or the first king of tne rews .— israelites or the first king of the jews . saul— israelites or the first king of the jews . saul again , the great the jews. saul again, the great ontnen— the jews. saul again, the great ontnen tnot— the jews. saul again, the great anthem that will— the jews. saul again, the great anthem that will be sung after the anthem that will be sung after tne ntng-s— anthem that will be sung after the king's anointing with the wttn— the king's anointing with the wttn tne— the king's anointing with the with the music— the king's anointing with the with the music by handel zadok , with the music by handel zadok, the with the music by handel zadok, tne priest— with the music by handel zadok, tne priest ono— with the music by handel zadok, the priest, and nathan the eroonet— the priest, and nathan the prophet anointed solomon king. and prophet anointed solomon king. ant tnts— prophet anointed solomon king. and this element— prophet anointed solomon king. and this element is absent . and this element is absent. atsotutety— and this element is absent. absolutely embedded at the heart of absolutely embedded at the heart ot tne— absolutely embedded at the heart of the coronation— absolutely embedded at the heart of the coronation service. it's tnen— of the coronation service. it's tnen ot— of the coronation service. it's then, of course,— of the coronation service. it's then, of course, adapted with tne— then, of course, adapted with the reformation— then, of course, adapted with the reformation and more

oonteutorty— the reformation and more particularly with the glorious tewotutton— particularly with the glorious revolution of _ particularly with the glorious revolution of 1689 to a specific protestont— revolution of 1689 to a specific protestant service.— revolution of 1689 to a specific protestant service. but so do we reotty— protestant service. but so do we reotty tegtn— protestant service. but so do we reotty tegtn .— protestant service. but so do we really begin , calvin, correctly really begin, calvin, correctly toottng— really begin, calvin, correctly toottng ot— really begin, calvin, correctly looking at the— really begin, calvin, correctly looking at the coronation in context— looking at the coronation in context .— looking at the coronation in context , that— looking at the coronation in context , that the coronation is context, that the coronation is reotty— context, that the coronation is reotty two— context, that the coronation is really two things. _ context, that the coronation is really two things. it's a serwtee— really two things. it's a serwtee ot— really two things. it's a service of consecration of a onorn— service of consecration of a onorn wno— service of consecration of a monarch who at— service of consecration of a monarch who at least technically is monarch who at least technically ts otwnety— monarch who at least technically is divinely ordained. the erg by the is divinely ordained. the erg by tne groce— is divinely ordained. the erg by tne groee ot— is divinely ordained. the erg by the grace of god,— is divinely ordained. the erg by the grace of god, the defender of the grace of god, the defender ot tne— the grace of god, the defender ot tne fortn— the grace of god, the defender of the faith. fidei _ the grace of god, the defender of the faith. fidei defensor . of the faith. fidei defensor. nut— of the faith. fidei defensor. nut tne— of the faith. fidei defensor. but the coronation begins with sonetntng— but the coronation begins with something else.— but the coronation begins with something else. it's not just consecration, _ something else. it's not just consecration, it's— something else. it's not just consecration, it's contract. it tegtns— consecration, it's contract. it tegtns wttn— consecration, it's contract. it begins with the— consecration, it's contract. it begins with the swearing of ootns— begins with the swearing of oaths which— begins with the swearing of oaths which are _ begins with the swearing of oaths which are about the government— oaths which are about the government of— oaths which are about the government of the country and gonteutorty— government of the country and particularly the— government of the country and particularly the government of the particularly the government of tne oountry. — particularly the government of the country. according to the tows— the country. according to the tows gosseo— the country. according to the laws passed in— the country. according to the laws passed in parliament. so it's laws passed in parliament. so tt-s tnese— laws passed in parliament. so it's these two— laws passed in parliament. so it's these two elements. okay ano— it's these two elements. okay ant rt— it's these two elements. okay ant tt were— it's these two elements. okay and if we're now— it's these two elements. okay and if we're now living- it's these two elements. okay and if we're now living in- it's these two elements. okay and if we're now living in a multicultural multi faith society, what's wrong with faith leaders of other faiths saying prayers as part of this service to make it more inclusive ? kyiv

to make it more inclusive? kyiv in fact, if you go back to the last coronation a very long time ago into a very different world, the world of 1953 and the late her late majesty, queen elizabeth ii, there was indeed a role for the moderator of the general assembly of the church of scotland, who presents a bible and obviously an intensely biblical form of christianity in in scotland , with in scotland, with presbyterianism being the official religion of scotland . official religion of scotland. and by the way, of course, what we to — and by the way, of course, what we to forget— and by the way, of course, what we do forget here— and by the way, of course, what we do forget here in the anglocentric_ we do forget here in the anglocentric world of england is tnot— anglocentric world of england is tnot tn— anglocentric world of england is that in scotland,— anglocentric world of england is that in scotland, the king has got o— that in scotland, the king has got a different— that in scotland, the king has got a different religion or a tttterent— got a different religion or a different variety of christianity. he is oppressed tyterton— christianity. he is oppressed tyterton ont— christianity. he is oppressed byterian and however, the protestont— byterian and however, the protestant establishment in tngtont— protestant establishment in tngtont ts— protestant establishment in england is there, the church of tngtont. — england is there, the church of tngtont. nut— england is there, the church of england. but what i think you wtt— england. but what i think you wttt tnt— england. but what i think you will find, calvin,— england. but what i think you will find, calvin, is that geogte— will find, calvin, is that geogte ot— will find, calvin, is that people of other faiths , people of other faiths, particularly- people of other faiths, particularly i think islam and the particularly i think islam and

tne tonon— particularly i think islam and the roman catholic church , are the roman catholic church, are very— the roman catholic church, are very nonw— the roman catholic church, are very happy for_ the roman catholic church, are very happy for the_ the roman catholic church, are very happy for the establishment of very happy for the establishment ot rettgton— very happy for the establishment ot rettgton tn— very happy for the establishment of religion in england because unttte— of religion in england because unlike virtually— of religion in england because unlike virtually every other country.— unlike virtually every other country. rt— unlike virtually every other country, it gives religion an otttetot— country, it gives religion an official status— country, it gives religion an official status within politics. ant— official status within politics. ant no— official status within politics. ant you— official status within politics. and now you began by saying, i'm an and now you began by saying, i'm on otnetst.— and now you began by saying, i'm an atheist. you— and now you began by saying, i'm an atheist. you are— and now you began by saying, i'm an atheist. you are ,_ and now you began by saying, i'm an atheist. you are , of course, an atheist. you are, of course, ttgnt. — an atheist. you are, of course, ttgnt. nut— an atheist. you are, of course, right. but when— an atheist. you are, of course, right. but when i'm teasing geonte— right. but when i'm teasing geogte ot— right. but when i'm teasing people of faith— right. but when i'm teasing people of faith like you, i explain— people of faith like you, i eoptotn very— people of faith like you, i explain very clearly. i am a very— explain very clearly. i am a very ntgn— explain very clearly. i am a very high church- explain very clearly. i am a very high church atheist . i very high church atheist. i tettewe— very high church atheist. i tettewe tn— very high church atheist. i believe in the— very high church atheist. i believe in the importance of eereoy .— believe in the importance of ceremony. i believe in the tngononee— ceremony. i believe in the importance of— ceremony. i believe in the importance of if you like, what the wonderful— importance of if you like, what the wonderful edmund burke calls the wonderful edmund burke calls tne teeent— the wonderful edmund burke calls the decent draperies, the decent tronertes— the decent draperies, the decent tronertes ot— the decent draperies, the decent draperies of ceremony that hang and allegiance— draperies of ceremony that hang and allegiance and passion and towe— and allegiance and passion and toe tnot— and allegiance and passion and love. that hang— and allegiance and passion and love. that hang over the brutal reottttes— love. that hang over the brutal reottttes ot— love. that hang over the brutal realities of power. _ love. that hang over the brutal realities of power. now it's very— realities of power. now it's very eosy— realities of power. now it's very eosy to— realities of power. now it's very easy to mock them, but i tntnt— very easy to mock them, but i tntnt tney— very easy to mock them, but i think they matter— very easy to mock them, but i think they matter and they note— think they matter and they matter profoundly. the fact that the matter profoundly. the fact that tne atng— matter profoundly. the fact that the king properly_ matter profoundly. the fact that the king properly understood is the king properly understood is tne nottonot— the king properly understood is the national symbol is one of tne— the national symbol is one of tne eentrot— the national symbol is one of the central reasons that

tngtont— the central reasons that england, britain, the british tnotre— england, britain, the british empire, avoided the horrors of notttteot— empire, avoided the horrors of political division— empire, avoided the horrors of political division between the etrerne— political division between the eterne rtgnt— political division between the extreme right and extreme left of extreme right and extreme left ot tne— extreme right and extreme left ot tne eorty— extreme right and extreme left of the early 20th _ extreme right and extreme left of the early 20th century. it's why,— of the early 20th century. it's wny. eontrory— of the early 20th century. it's wny. eontrory to— of the early 20th century. it's why, contrary to what everybody soys— why, contrary to what everybody soys. tngttsn— why, contrary to what everybody says, english nationalism is suen— says, english nationalism is suen o— says, english nationalism is such a gentle— says, english nationalism is such a gentle thing . in contrast such a gentle thing. in contrast wttn— such a gentle thing. in contrast wttn tne— such a gentle thing. in contrast with the fervours_ such a gentle thing. in contrast with the fervours of scottish nationalists— with the fervours of scottish nationalists or— with the fervours of scottish nationalists or irish nationalists. i mean, we've nationalists or irish— nationalists. i mean, we've seen in nationalists. i mean, we've seen tn tne— nationalists. i mean, we've seen tn tne noture— nationalists. i mean, we've seen tn tne noture ot— nationalists. i mean, we've seen in the nature of nationalism in satan,— in the nature of nationalism in soottont. we — in the nature of nationalism in scotland, we all— in the nature of nationalism in scotland, we all know about the norrors— scotland, we all know about the norrors ot— scotland, we all know about the horrors of the— scotland, we all know about the horrors of the ira— scotland, we all know about the horrors of the ira and sinn fein ont— horrors of the ira and sinn fein ont very— horrors of the ira and sinn fein ont wery tttety— horrors of the ira and sinn fein and very likely disguised by the by tne— and very likely disguised by the by tne toot— and very likely disguised by the by the good friday agreement. tngtont— by the good friday agreement. tngtont ts— by the good friday agreement. england is different because in trottttonotty— england is different because in traditionally the— england is different because in traditionally the passions of the traditionally the passions of tne stote — traditionally the passions of the state have— traditionally the passions of the state have not been identified _ the state have not been identified with nationhood, with ttogs— identified with nationhood, with ttogs .— identified with nationhood, with ttogs . wttn.— identified with nationhood, with flags , with, with _ identified with nationhood, with flags , with, with marching up flags, with, with marching up ont— flags, with, with marching up ont town— flags, with, with marching up ont town ot— flags, with, with marching up and down of soldiers in modern tress — and down of soldiers in modern tress rts— and down of soldiers in modern dress. it's this— and down of soldiers in modern dress. it's this faintly ruritanian_ dress. it's this faintly ruritanian thing of monarchy and its ruritanian thing of monarchy and tts gente— ruritanian thing of monarchy and tts gentte ont— ruritanian thing of monarchy and its gentle and its— ruritanian thing of monarchy and its gentle and its civilised and ntstorteotty— its gentle and its civilised and historically rooted and it's of tnts— historically rooted and it's of course, this is— historically rooted and it's of course, this is where i think

tne— course, this is where i think tne atng— course, this is where i think tne atng ts— course, this is where i think the king is getting it terribly wrong— the king is getting it terribly wrong. whereas— the king is getting it terribly wrong. whereas advisors are getttng— wrong. whereas advisors are getttng rt— wrong. whereas advisors are getting it terribly wrong. it's self—consciously not modern. tnts— self—consciously not modern. this constant— self—consciously not modern. this constant chatter of modernisation , the words modern modernisation, the words modern and modernisation, the words modern ont nonoreny— modernisation, the words modern ont nonoreny .— modernisation, the words modern and monarchy . do— modernisation, the words modern and monarchy . do you really and monarchy. do you really regutre— and monarchy. do you really regutre muon— and monarchy. do you really require much intelligence to reottse— require much intelligence to realise that— require much intelligence to realise that modern and monarchy ton-t— realise that modern and monarchy ton-t go— realise that modern and monarchy don't go together?— realise that modern and monarchy don't go together? that the nonoreny— don't go together? that the monarchy itself— don't go together? that the monarchy itself is a statement of monarchy itself is a statement ot nurteon— monarchy itself is a statement of burkean historical continuity 7 of burkean historical continuity ? i of burkean historical continuity e . eo— of burkean historical continuity e . .— of burkean historical continuity e . . .— of burkean historical continuity ? i mean , i really— of burkean historical continuity ? i mean , i really do not ? i mean, i really do not understand— ? i mean, i really do not understand what the i mean, it's not os— understand what the i mean, it's not os tnougn— understand what the i mean, it's not as though the— understand what the i mean, it's not as though the king is short of not as though the king is short ot otwtee. — not as though the king is short ot otwtee. ne— not as though the king is short of advice. he may— not as though the king is short of advice. he may actually have too muon— of advice. he may actually have too much advice.— of advice. he may actually have too much advice. he's the only ttng— too much advice. he's the only ttng to— too much advice. he's the only ttng to nove— too much advice. he's the only king to have had— too much advice. he's the only king to have had joint private seretones — king to have had joint private secretaries. you _ king to have had joint private secretaries. you know, you have, sir secretaries. you know, you have, str cttwe— secretaries. you know, you have, sir clive alderton _ secretaries. you know, you have, sir clive alderton and sir ttwort— sir clive alderton and sir edward young— sir clive alderton and sir edward young . and are they edward young. and are they totttng— edward young. and are they talking against— edward young. and are they talking against each other? are tney— talking against each other? are tney o— talking against each other? are tney o ttnt— talking against each other? are tney o ttnt ot— talking against each other? are they a kind of gilbert and sutton— they a kind of gilbert and sullivan chorus? are they a tuete— sullivan chorus? are they a tuete wno— sullivan chorus? are they a duet? who is— sullivan chorus? are they a duet? who is seriously advising ntn— duet? who is seriously advising ntn e — duet? who is seriously advising ntn e trot-s— duet? who is seriously advising him ? that's a— duet? who is seriously advising him ? that's a good- duet? who is seriously advising him? that's a good point. you can either have modernised nafion can either have modernised nation or monarchy. not necessarily both . that was necessarily both. that was broadcast and historian david starkey, thank you, as always,

for your time, sir. you can watch the full version of that on youtube and do watch it because it's a lot spicy. it gets a spicier as we go on. gets a lot spicier as we go on. now erecting religious symbols in public places is a common in public places is not a common sight france , a nation where sight in france, a nation where the separation church and the separation of church and state enshrined under a law state was enshrined under a law in 1905 that made it illegal. restoring them, however, is allowed, which is why residents in the village of erg in loire valley are welcoming newly renovated crucifixes erected by a group called sos calvary . a group called sos calvary. despite portraying itself as secular, apolitical and uninterested in stoking culture wars, the group has come under fire, with critics saying they have links to france's hard right. can you believe it? joining us now to discuss this is ceo alexander kelly. thank you for joining is ceo alexander kelly. thank you forjoining us. alexander you for joining us. alexander how much support is there out there for what you guys are doing? what sorry ? how much doing? what sorry? how much support is there out there for what you guys are doing ? well, what you guys are doing? well, first of all, just let me pardon

my french because it has been ages since i haven't spoken english. well, we don't we have sunnon— english. well, we don't we have support tron— english. well, we don't we have support tron .— english. well, we don't we have support tron .you— “g well, we don't we have support from , you know, people , support from, you know, people, but support from, you know, people, put we— support from, you know, people, put we ton-t— support from, you know, people, but we don't have— support from, you know, people, but we don't have support from the but we don't have support from tne oounet— but we don't have support from tne eounett .— but we don't have support from the council . so— but we don't have support from the council . so we— but we don't have support from the council . so we have to cope the council. so we have to cope wttn— the council. so we have to cope with financial,— the council. so we have to cope with financial, legal and teennteot— with financial, legal and technical issues ourselves. nowewer— technical issues ourselves. nowewerves— technical issues ourselves. however yes, just like i said , however yes, just like i said, we got— however yes, just like i said, we got o— however yes, just like i said, we got o tot— however yes, just like i said, we got a lot of— however yes, just like i said, we got a lot of support from the peopte— we got a lot of support from the peopte. so— we got a lot of support from the peopte. so we— we got a lot of support from the people. so we have, um , we have people. so we have, um, we have tnon— people. so we have, um, we have tnon .— people. so we have, um, we have more than i think— people. so we have, um, we have more than i think 50,000 people tottowtng— more than i think 50,000 people tottowtng us— more than i think 50,000 people following us on— more than i think 50,000 people following us on network. we have tons— following us on network. we have ants oyo— following us on network. we have mps, mayors, local— following us on network. we have mps, mayors, local initiatives ont— mps, mayors, local initiatives and associations— mps, mayors, local initiatives and associations ,_ mps, mayors, local initiatives and associations , which gives us and associations, which gives us tnetr— and associations, which gives us tnetr support— and associations, which gives us tnetr suppon to— and associations, which gives us tnetr suppon to .— and associations, which gives us their support to . but most of their support to. but most of tne— their support to. but most of tne support— their support to. but most of the support comes from the local guys— the support comes from the local guys .— the support comes from the local guys , you— the support comes from the local guys . you know.— the support comes from the local guys , you know, because the guys, you know, because the town— guys, you know, because the cotwory ts— guys, you know, because the calvary is always— guys, you know, because the calvary is always in the centre of calvary is always in the centre ot tne— calvary is always in the centre of the village. _ calvary is always in the centre of the village. so _ calvary is always in the centre of the village. so so, um, so tne— of the village. so so, um, so tne toeot— of the village. so so, um, so tne toeot guys— of the village. so so, um, so the local guys who come and help us restore their— the local guys who come and help us restore their crosses, their wetts— us restore their crosses, their wetts .— us restore their crosses, their wetts . tnetr— us restore their crosses, their wells , their chapels, they do wells, their chapels, they do tnot— wells, their chapels, they do tnot not— wells, their chapels, they do that not really— wells, their chapels, they do that not really because they tettewe— that not really because they tettewe tn— that not really because they believe in something, but teouse— believe in something, but because those— believe in something, but because those elements are part of because those elements are part

ot tne— because those elements are part ot tne tnetr— because those elements are part of the their identity . it's of the their identity. it's onoztng. — of the their identity. it's amazing. and- of the their identity. it's amazing. and you're doing this tron— amazing. and you're doing this tron o— amazing. and you're doing this from a grassroots— amazing. and you're doing this from a grassroots perspective , from a grassroots perspective, tut— from a grassroots perspective, tut tut— from a grassroots perspective, tut tut gross— from a grassroots perspective, but but grass is— from a grassroots perspective, but but grass is official. trons— but but grass is official. tron ts— but but grass is official. france is officially- but but grass is official. france is officially a- but but grass is official. france is officially a secular country. is it mostly christians that are supporting your project or are you finding support amongst atheists and those of other faiths to . well as i was other faiths to. well as i was as i as i was saying, most of the people who comes apart from the people who comes apart from the organisation organisational team, have a direct link with the cross and they don't really care themselves if they believe in something or not. most of them are indifferent- in something or not. most of them are indifferent to- 1“ “g most of them are indifferent to any form or ony— them are indifferent to any form or ony tnt— them are indifferent to any form or ony ttnt ot— them are indifferent to any form or any kind of religion , you or any kind of religion, you know.— or any kind of religion, you know tney— or any kind of religion, you know, they just,— or any kind of religion, you know, they just, they are just nere— know, they just, they are just here because _ know, they just, they are just here because of— know, they just, they are just here because of the cross which is here because of the cross which ts tn— here because of the cross which ts tn tne— here because of the cross which is in the centre— here because of the cross which is in the centre of— here because of the cross which is in the centre of their wttoge. — is in the centre of their village. but— is in the centre of their village. but we also have a lot of village. but we also have a lot ot cnrtstton— village. but we also have a lot of christian and— village. but we also have a lot of christian and catholic people .tust— of christian and catholic people rj'ust twe— of christian and catholic people .tust ttte .— of christian and catholic people ri'ust ttte . on— of christian and catholic people , just like i am sorry, coming to our— , just like i am sorry, coming to our construction works and tney— to our construction works and tney one— to our construction works and they come because of their faith in they come because of their faith tn resus— they come because of their faith in jesus christ.— they come because of their faith in jesus christ. um,— they come because of their faith in jesus christ. um, but, but nowewer— in jesus christ. um, but, but however , we don't receive any however, we don't receive any support— however, we don't receive any suppon tron — however, we don't receive any support from other religion , you

support from other religion, you know— support from other religion, you know .— support from other religion, you know . tut— support from other religion, you know , but what— support from other religion, you know , but what stuns me stands know, but what stuns me stands me every— know, but what stuns me stands me every trne— know, but what stuns me stands me every time is— know, but what stuns me stands me every time is that we have peopte— me every time is that we have peopte tron — me every time is that we have people from all— me every time is that we have people from all ages coming to our construction— people from all ages coming to our construction works , working our construction works, working togetner— our construction works, working togetner os— our construction works, working togetner os rt— our construction works, working together as if they— our construction works, working together as if they were family . to— together as if they were family . to work— together as if they were family . to work tor— together as if they were family , to work for something which is ttgger— , to work for something which is ttgger tnon— , to work for something which is bigger than them.— , to work for something which is bigger than them. so we have cnrtsttons— bigger than them. so we have christians, we— bigger than them. so we have christians, we have people who wno— christians, we have people who wno one— christians, we have people who who come from _ christians, we have people who who come from any places in any tnt— who come from any places in any ttnt ot— who come from any places in any ttnt ot now— who come from any places in any kind of how can— who come from any places in any kind of how can i— who come from any places in any kind of how can i say any kind of kind of how can i say any kind or .— kind of how can i say any kind ot . un— kind of how can i say any kind ot . wett— kind of how can i say any kind of, um, well, this— kind of how can i say any kind of, um, well, this is a problem wttn— of, um, well, this is a problem wttn ny— of, um, well, this is a problem wttn ny wttn— of, um, well, this is a problem with my with my— of, um, well, this is a problem with my with my french. this is tontostte— with my with my french. this is tontostte .— with my with my french. this is fantastic . but— with my with my french. this is fantastic . but actually the fantastic. but actually the peopte— fantastic. but actually the peopte wno— fantastic. but actually the people who comes here in our eonstruetton— people who comes here in our construction works come because tney— construction works come because tney — construction works come because tney toottng— construction works come because they are looking for— construction works come because they are looking for real. i tntnt— they are looking for real. i tntnt .— they are looking for real. i tntnt . you— they are looking for real. i think , you know, real stuff , think, you know, real stuff, eorrytng— think, you know, real stuff, eorrytng neowy— think, you know, real stuff, carrying heavy stones and in the pourtng— carrying heavy stones and in the pourtng rorn— carrying heavy stones and in the pourtng ont— carrying heavy stones and in the pouring rain and everything . pouring rain and everything. they— pouring rain and everything. tney oe— pouring rain and everything. they are looking for roots and tney— they are looking for roots and tney wont— they are looking for roots and tney wont ont— they are looking for roots and they want and they are willing to te— they want and they are willing to give themselves for something or sonetoty— to give themselves for something or somebody which— to give themselves for something or somebody which is higher than tnen — or somebody which is higher than

tnen . — or somebody which is higher than them . absolutely.— or somebody which is higher than them . absolutely. love- or somebody which is higher than them . ' .r:;lyr l l them. absolutely. love it. it's fantastic. please keep it up and let us know however we can support you. thank you very much. alexander now very much. alexander now i'm very quickly duellists nigel, quickly to my duellists nigel, are local people local projects restoring heritage of the restoring the heritage of the history , whether history of france, whether they're christian or not? fantastic, it? yeah, is fantastic, isn't it? yeah, it is tontostte— fantastic, isn't it? yeah, it is fantastic. and _ fantastic, isn't it? yeah, it is fantastic. and so— fantastic, isn't it? yeah, it is fantastic. and so they- t l .7’ yeah, it is fantastic. and so they should. i mean , france is— fantastic. and so they should. i mean , france is secular mean, france is a secular country— mean, france is a secular eountry torgety- mean, france is a secular country largely because of the tent— country largely because of the french revolution . i think that french revolution. i think that the french revolution. i think that tne tut— french revolution. i think that the but still,— french revolution. i think that the but still, there's an awful lot the but still, there's an awful tot ot— the but still, there's an awful lot of practising— the but still, there's an awful lot of practising christians in tnen.— lot of practising christians in tnere. tne— lot of practising christians in there. the churches are not full of there. the churches are not full ot tnot— there. the churches are not full ot tnot os— there. the churches are not full of that as whenever i've been no— of that as whenever i've been tnto one— of that as whenever i've been tnto oer— of that as whenever i've been into one over there. so yeah, otsotutety. — into one over there. so yeah, absolutely. i'm— into one over there. so yeah, absolutely. i'm right behind trn.— absolutely. i'm right behind ntnlguesstng— absolutely. i'm right behind him. guessing in him. i'm guessing you're in support— him. i'm guessing you're in supponltnts. - him. i'm guessing you're in support this. tn support of this. my heart. i towe— support of this. my heart. i towe .— support of this. my heart. i love i love what they're doing. one of the most moving things that i've seen last that i've seen in the last couple when notre—dame couple of years when notre—dame was you saw all of was burning and you saw all of these catholics on their knees praying the rosary and singing a marian hymn and watching their cathedral burn , it just showed cathedral burn, it just showed how deeply rooted french history and culture is within catholicism . and and culture is within catholicism .and i and culture is within catholicism . and i think this is catholicism. and i think this is really important. i mean, i don't have very much fondness

for francis secularism. and i was a fan of edmund burke. i don't have very much fondness for the french revolution ehhen for the french revolution either. think that this is either. so i think that this is really important. think it's really important. i think it's beautiful. i love to any beautiful. i love to see any country its heritage beautiful. i love to see any co thisi its heritage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. its heritage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. i its heritage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. i think; heritage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. i think thatitage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. i think that what in this way. i think that what they're doing is magnificent. but of course, now it's the anniversary horrible anniversary of the horrible burning dame, burning down of notre dame, isn't it? and i think it just goes— isn't it? and i think it just goes to— isn't it? and i think it just goes to-tt— isn't it? and i think it just goes to _it doesn't. isn't it? and i think it just- goes to-it doesn't matter goes to show it doesn't matter wnot— goes to show it doesn't matter what government— goes to show it doesn't matter what government say is about seeutortstng— what government say is about secularising this— what government say is about secularising this country, you onnot— cannot erase the christian nerttoge. — cannot erase the christianj heritage. _see. heritage. it's great to see. text.— heritage. it's great to see. text-te— heritage. it's great to see. next, be asking whether next, we'll be asking whether the next, we'll be asking whether tne-neets— next, we'll be asking whether the-needs more- the church needs more evangelicals.- the church needs more evangelicals. away. evangelicals. so don't go away. be evangelicals. so don't go away. toe-toot— evangelicals. so don't go away. ne-toet .—

welcome back to the common sense erusote— welcome back to the common sense erusote wttn— welcome back to the common sense crusade with me,— welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the— welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend cotwtn— crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson.— crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson. the church of tngtont— calvin robinson. the church of tngtont ts— calvin robinson. the church of england is moving with the times . tut— england is moving with the times . tut not— england is moving with the times , but not everyone— england is moving with the times , but not everyone is on board wttn— , but not everyone is on board wttn tt— , but not everyone is on board wttn tt .— , but not everyone is on board wttn t. n—

, but not everyone is on board with it . in february, synod with it. in february, synod teettet— with it. in february, synod teettet to— with it. in february, synod decided to allow the blessing of nonosexuot— decided to allow the blessing of homosexual couples and hinted tnot— homosexual couples and hinted tnot tt— homosexual couples and hinted tnot tt wtt— homosexual couples and hinted that it will lift— homosexual couples and hinted that it will lift the ban on oettwety— that it will lift the ban on actively homosexual clergy. conservative _ actively homosexual clergy. conservative evangelicals are worntng— conservative evangelicals are warning, though, that if they go oneot— warning, though, that if they go oneot wttn— warning, though, that if they go ahead with this,— warning, though, that if they go ahead with this, they will reote— ahead with this, they will reote o— ahead with this, they will create a real— ahead with this, they will create a real division . so is it create a real division. so is it tne— create a real division. so is it tne ent— create a real division. so is it tne ent ot— create a real division. so is it the end of evangelicalism or toes— the end of evangelicalism or toes tne— the end of evangelicalism or does the church _ the end of evangelicalism or does the church of england need ot— does the church of england need more of them?— does the church of england need more of them? to— does the church of england need more of them? to discuss this, tn — more of them? to discuss this, tn totnet— more of them? to discuss this, r-n totnet ty— more of them? to discuss this, i'm joined by father daniel trenen— i'm joined by father daniel french, anglican priest in french, an anglican priest in stone.— french, an anglican priest in salcombe. daniel, french, an anglican priest in salcombe. daniel , thank salcombe. father daniel, thank youltotntng— salcombe. father daniel, thank youltotntng us— salcombe. father daniel, thank you joining us today. i know you forjoining us today. i know youe— you forjoining us today. i know youe not— you forjoining us today. i know youre not on— you forjoining us today. i know you're not an evangelical yoursett. — you're not an evangelical yourself. you're and i would say your— yourself. you're and i would say your anglo—catholic believe, your anglo—catholic, i believe, tut— your anglo—catholic, i believe, tut-torner— your anglo—catholic, i believe,i but-former-catholic, but your former roman catholic, orent— but your former roman catholic, oren-t—gutte- but your former roman catholic, oren-t—gutte ntgni aren't you? so you're quite hiin up aren't you? so you're quite high up—tut— aren't you? so you're quite highi up—tut-proetotn up the candle, but you proclaim tnot— up the candle, but you proclaim tnotineet— up the candle, but you proclaim that-need more— up the candle, but you proclaim that need more evangelicalism that we need more evangelicalism . atsotutety— that we need more evangelicalism . atsotutety — that we need more evangelicalism . absolutely calvin— that we need more evangelicalism . absolutely 1“ . absolutely calvin just some of the himars statistics in this are worth thinking about. you know, as the church of england has had incredible decline in the last ten years, we've had a 36% fall. the evangelicals have actually bucked the trend. you know, in 2011, in 2020, 8% of

churches were evangelical in their ethos. and that's gone up to 32. so i think, you know , to 32. so i think, you know, there's something there for to us look into and to celebrate. there's been so much discussion onune there's been so much discussion online recently on the basis of a spectator article by theo hobbs , who has said that we hobbs, who has said that we don't need the evangelicals anymore. and i feel quite annoyed by that because you know, although it's not my own tribe, i would consider the majority of my anglican clergy friends , as are evangelical. friends, as are evangelical. they're from a, you know, a lively , faithful constituency lively, faithful constituency that have much to teach us. and have done. so, you know, for many, many, many, many centuries. can we truly imagine in our denomination without this vital constituency ? see, you vital constituency? see, you know, a third of the

denomination not being part of our our national mission ? some our our national mission? some would argue quite often- . . titr“7 some would argue quite often the . . rir“7 some would argue quite often the most propnette— would argue quite often the most propnette tntrt— would argue quite often the most prophetic third to— would argue quite often the most prophetic third to i'm also not an evangelical— prophetic third to i'm also not an evangelical .— prophetic third to i'm also not an evangelical. i'm also an anglo—catholic._ an evangelical. i'm also an anglo—catholic. however i think rneo— anglo—catholic. however i think tneo notts-s— anglo—catholic. however i think theo hobbs's article in the speetotor— theo hobbs's article in the spectator was— theo hobbs's article in the spectator was was awful because he spectator was was awful because ne seens— spectator was was awful because ne to — spectator was was awful because he seems to conflate anglo—catholicism with liberalism _ anglo—catholicism with liberalism and actually most anglo—catholics_ liberalism and actually most anglo—catholics i know want sttttng— anglo—catholics i know want sttttng rtgnt— anglo—catholics i know want sitting right next to me would woutt— sitting right next to me would woutt te— sitting right next to me would would be more— sitting right next to me would would be more conservative than nost— would be more conservative than most ot— would be more conservative than most ot your— would be more conservative than most of your liberals. so i'm not— most of your liberals. so i'm not gutte— most of your liberals. so i'm not quite sure— most of your liberals. so i'm not quite sure where he's getttng— not quite sure where he's getttng tns— not quite sure where he's getting this conflation from otner— getting this conflation from otner tnon — getting this conflation from other than _the - getting this conflation from other than the idea other than painting the idea tnot— other than painting the idea not eeryone— other than painting the idea that everyone that's conservative in church that everyone that's- conservative in-church is that everyone that's— conservative in-church is an conservative in the church is an ewongetteot— conservative in the church is an evangelical,-course. evangelical, which of course is not— evangelical, which of course is not-eose— evangelical, which of course is not-case.-divide- evangelical, which of course is not-case.-divide in- evangelical, which of course is not case. divide in the not the case. the divide in the enuren— not the case. the divide in the church - between - church isn't between evangelicals anglicans church isn't between evangelicals-anglicans it's evangelicals and anglicans. it's tetween— between liberals and conservatives am right? conservatives. am i right? atsotutety— conservatives. am i right? atsotutety — conservatives. am i right? absolutely i— conservatives. am i right? absolutely 1“ �*" absolutely i mean, if you want to see what the future looks like, go to the american scene . like, go to the american scene. the episcopal church, which i think in many ways has done what he has suggesting and waved goodbye , bye to evangelic ulez goodbye, bye to evangelic ulez has had even more dramatic

decline . in between 2011 and decline. in between 2011 and 2020. there's been a 40% decline in attendance from 1.2 million to 1.15 million in what was in america. one of the major denominations . as you know, it's denominations. as you know, it's in danger of becoming a sect, whereas the anglican church in nonh whereas the anglican church in north america , which has broken north america, which has broken away from tech , is now in, you away from tech, is now in, you know, is growing and growing and is a common actually is a very interesting partnership between anglo—catholics and evangelicals . they are now one of the fastest growing denominations in the united states . you know, and the united states. you know, and i think that's that's maybe where we should be looking at. and saying, why is it that that that these branches of anglicanism are succeeding just as they're succeeding in the global south and, you know, in

in the 90 seconds and i think particularly in the first part of the decade of this millennium, you know, there was particular partnership in the diocese of london as well, was there not, between the evangelicals and anglo—catholic parishes working together and creating all sorts of plants. in fact , during creating all sorts of plants. in fact, during that time , i think fact, during that time, i think it was very much the inception of richard chartres. there was a 71% increase piece in anglican attendance, whereas us down the river in southwark, 10% decrease decline in the same period. you know, this is where we should be looking at partnering up with small orthodox parts of the anglican spectrum and working , anglican spectrum and working, you know, courageously in, in what it is, you know, an ever deeper culture war. this is not a time for us to be silent. i

think what evangelicals and i've noficed think what evangelicals and i've noticed this from again my friends in this constituency do so well is they they answer that question that we so often dare not is why turn up on a sunday day? and they say that we should turn up. you know they the way that they do it is by telling us that they do it is by telling us that our eternal destiny depends on it. absolutely. it's a good guestton— on it. absolutely. it's a good guestton we— . absolutely. it's a good question we should always be osttng— question we should always be osttng ewery— question we should always be asking every week . but i wanted asking every week. but i wanted to te— asking every week. but i wanted to gtwe you— asking every week. but i wanted to gtwe you tne— asking every week. but i wanted to give you the opportunity to tott— to give you the opportunity to tott otout— to give you the opportunity to talk about that— to give you the opportunity to talk about that because i saw your— talk about that because i saw your .— talk about that because i saw your . sow— talk about that because i saw your your— talk about that because i saw your i saw your tweet, father nonet— your i saw your tweet, father nontet. ant— your i saw your tweet, father nontet. ant .— your i saw your tweet, father daniel. and i think you're otsotutety— daniel. and i think you're absolutely right. the spectator ontete—tut- absolutely right. the spectator article _ but you'vej article was rubbish, but you've put—better- article was rubbish, but you'vei put—better case. put forward a much better case. so put forward a much better case. so-you— put forward a much better case. so-you-nuen- so thank you very much, father nonet— so thank you very much, father daniel-anglican- daniel french, anglican priest in daniel french, anglican priest tn soteonte.— daniel french, anglican priest in salcombe. i— daniel french, anglican priest in salcombe. i want to bring my tuetttst— in salcombe. i want to bring my duellist into— in salcombe. i want to bring my duellist into this— in salcombe. i want to bring my duellist into this because emma, were—rtgnt- duellist into this because emma, we-re—rtgnt. tsl we're father daniel is right, is soytng— we're father daniel is right, is soytngisnoutt— we're father daniel is right, is saying-should be- we're father daniel is right, is saying should be more saying we should be more ewttenee— saying we should be more evidence _and. saying we should be more evidence _and ii saying we should be more- evidence _and i know evidence informed. and i know youe— evidence informed. and i know youwe notn— evidence informed. and i know you've both read— evidence informed. and i know you've both read the article, tut—otouti you've both read the article,- tut—otout we but theo hobbs talks about we snoutt— but theo hobbs talks about we snouttlnore— but theo hobbs talks about we should more pragmatic should be more pragmatic and tote— should be more pragmatic and toteltoort— should be more pragmatic and take board theology. take on board liberal theology. but take on board liberal theology. nut oetuotty— take on board liberal theology. but actually that's not prognottsn- but actually that's not- pragmatism,-liberal pragmatism, because liberal tneotogy— pragmatism, because liberali tneotogy—tne theology is what's killing the stunn— theology is what's killing the stunt—gong- theology is what's killing the church._going toi church. and he i'm going to quote— church. and he i'm going to quote-nee—

church. and he i'm going to quote-here, he- church. and he i'm going to quote here, he says quote him here, he says evangelical— quote him here, he says evangelical-is. quote him here, he says evangelical is too evangelical energy is too countercultural . surely countercultural. surely the enuren— countercultural. surely the enuren-te- countercultural. surely the church be countercultural church should be countercultural . ant— church should be countercultural . ant .— church should be countercultural . ant . tttnt— church should be countercultural . and i think that— church should be countercultural . and i think that his- church should be countercultural . and i think that his article was cringing. and for me, it seemed like, as you were describing this lumping seemed like, as you were deof ibing this lumping seemed like, as you were deof anglo—catholics lumping seemed like, as you were de of anglo—catholics withting in of anglo—catholics with liberals, it just seemed to really misunderstand the situation . and i was sort of situation. and i was sort of reading it a bit confused, really. and i think that father french is right . really. and i think that father french is right. i think that if you follow if you know, unless unless the leadership of the church of england was the christian faith in this country to die in a ditch, they need to look at what is where the fire is burning, where where anglicanism is, is being successful. that is in the global south and it is in those parts of the church that are more conservative because that seriousness appeals to young people in a way that the more airy fairy , unserious, fluffy airy fairy, unserious, fluffy christianity doesn't. nigel, i want to ask you— christianity doesn't. nigel, i want to ask you about- n : . nigel, i want to ask you about the idea of colonialism— want to ask you about the idea of colonialism within the church . wnen— of colonialism within the church . wnen we— of colonialism within the church . wnen we see— of colonialism within the church . when we see the— of colonialism within the church . when we see the western church otopttng— . when we see the western church otopttng tnese— . when we see the western church adopting these liberal values, wnen— adopting these liberal values, wnen tt— adopting these liberal values, when it comes— adopting these liberal values, when it comes to— adopting these liberal values, when it comes to things like same sex marriage and trans ont—

same sex marriage and trans issues and proclaiming the issues and proclaiming to the rest— issues and proclaiming to the rest-onnot.— issues and proclaiming to the rest church, particularly rest of the church, particularly the rest of the church, particularly tne-soun— rest of the church, particularly the - south, that - rest of the church, particularly the south, that you the global south, that you guys nust— the global south, that you guys nust otso— the global south, that you guys must also-your— the global south, that you guys must also your orthodoxy must also lose your orthodoxy ont— must also lose your orthodoxy ontour-— must also lose your orthodoxy and our more progressive and follow our more progressive woy— and follow our more progressive woyltnot— and follow our more progressive woyltnot-o— and follow our more progressive woyltnot-o ne— and follow our more progressive way. that a new form of way. is that not a new form of colonialism?— way. is that not a new form of colonialism? iwell,- way. is that not a new form of colonialism? �*tw�*ri4l 1“ l colonialism? well, i mean, it's why the anglican communion is so fragmented. because that fragmented. because because that is going on the problem with the church is that it's still all marches 30 years behind the society it is meant to serve. so on the basic question of do we want more evangelicals not if they're going to make this worse. so if they're going to try and block things like blessings for gay couples that that seems to me a bad, bad move forward , or rather, it will be forward, or rather, it will be a move backward. i love the services that they're all very lively and vibrant, but on sexuality, i think they have a real problem. we're going back to the same rules that we had with the anglo catholics over women priests and women bishops. we lost that one. but let's hope we ton-t— we lost that one. but let's hope we ton-t tose— we lost that one. but let's hope we don't lose this— we lost that one. but let's hope we don't lose this one.- �*tw�*ri; but let's hope we don't lose this one. thank you— we don't lose this one. thank you to— we don't lose this one. thank you to tne— we don't lose this one. thank you to the evangelicals for stonttng— you to the evangelicals for standing firm _ you to the evangelicals for standing firm in the and standing firm in the faith and non— standing firm in the faith and tnont-os— standing firm in the faith and thank-as well— standing firm in the faith and thank-as well for- standing firm in the faith and thank as well for your thank you as well for your

messages. thank you for my messages. and thank you for my trtttont— messages. and thank you for my brilliant dualists_ messages. and thank you for my brilliant dualists this week. tnno— brilliant dualists this week. tnno-ntget- brilliant dualists this week. - emma - nigel nelson. we emma webb and nigel nelson. we nope—notn— emma webb and nigel nelson. we nope—totn ogotn- emma webb and nigel nelson. we hope both again soon. hope to see you both again soon. non-t— hope to see you both again soon. non-t-n— hope to see you both again soon. non-t-tn tne— hope to see you both again soon. don't-in the final-of. don't miss. in the final part of my common sense— don't miss. in the final part of my common sense crusade this week.— my common sense crusade this week-_tnere— my common sense crusade this week-_tnere o- my common sense crusade this week. there a shortage of week. why is there a shortage of teoenerst— week. why is there a shortage of teachers? and _ week. why is there a shortage of teachers? and what impact is tnot— teachers? and what impact is that-education?- teachers? and what impact is that education? see that having on education? see you— that having on education? see you snortty— that having on education? see you snonty on— that having on education? see you shortly on mark dolan tontgnt— you shortly on mark dolan tontgnt . — you shortly on mark dolan tontgnt . tn— you shortly on mark dolan tonight. in my- you shortly on mark dolan tonight. 1“ 33 you shortly on mark dolan tonight . 1“ g 1“ you shortly on mark dolan- tonight. in my big opinion, i'll be dealing with meghan markle, prince harry and the world's most famous plastic paddy. pretend irishman joe biden. my three top pundits tonight, radio and tv legend david hamilton . and tv legend david hamilton. fearless and feisty angie best, who normally gets us in trouble and that rare thing, a young person with concern lviv views. political commentator alice grant. my mark meets guest is legendary gardener and grower of big vegetables, gerald stratford . you should see his marrows plus sunday's papers hot off the press. we're live from .

nine | mine. welcome trne- iwelcome back trne— i welcome back to nine welcome back to calvin's common sense . welcome back to calvin's common sense crusote.— . welcome back to calvin's common sense crusade-week— . welcome back to calvin's common sense crusade.-week we- sense crusade. every week we post— sense crusade. every week we post o— sense crusade. every week we post o pott— sense crusade. every week we post o pott on— sense crusade. every week we post a poll on twitter and get your— post a poll on twitter and get your tnougnts— post a poll on twitter and get your thoughts-of- post a poll on twitter and get your thoughts of the your thoughts on one of the tones— your thoughts on one of the topics-discussed- your thoughts on one of the topics discussed in the topics we've discussed in the snow.— topics we've discussed in the show-li— topics we've discussed in the show..| asked— topics we've discussed in the show..| asked the- topics we've discussed in the show. i asked the king, show. so i asked the king, snoutt— show. so i asked the king, snoutt tne— show. so i asked the king, should the king introduce multi tottn— should the king introduce multi tottnlnts— should the king introduce multi faith-his more— should the king introduce multi faith his more modernist and faith to his more modernist and tnetustwe— faith to his more modernist and inclusive coronation service or snoutt— inclusive coronation service or snouttlrenotn— inclusive coronation service or shouldlremain a— inclusive coronation service or should remain a christian should it remain a christian serwteet— should it remain a christian service? the— should it remain a christian service? the results are in and too-to— service? the results are in and too-to soy— service? the results are in and too-to soy tt— service? the results are in and 90.1% say it should be a cnrtstton— 90.1% say it should be a christian service while 9.9% towour— christian service while 9.9% towour o— christian service while 9.9% favour a multi—faith service. so got— favour a multi—faith service. so got rust— favour a multi—faith service. so we've got just under 10% of wotetst— we've got just under 10% of wokeist watching, but the rest of wokeist watching, but the rest ot you— wokeist watching, but the rest ot you oe— wokeist watching, but the rest ot you wery— wokeist watching, but the rest of you are very sound. so thank you— of you are very sound. so thank you tor— of you are very sound. so thank you tor wottng. — of you are very sound. so thank you for voting. now let's have a toot— you for voting. now let's have a toot ot— you for voting. now let's have a toot ot wnot— you for voting. now let's have a look at what you've— you for voting. now let's have a look at what you've had to say otout— look at what you've had to say otout totoy-s— look at what you've had to say about today's topics. calvin nessoget— about today's topics. calvin nessoget us— about today's topics. calvin messaged us saying why can't the coupe— messaged us saying why can't the eoupte toster— messaged us saying why can't the eoupte toster o— messaged us saying why can't the couple foster a child in this country— couple foster a child in this country-selfish?- couple foster a child in this country selfish? nato oil on country so selfish? nato oil on the country so selfish? nato oil on tne neot.— country so selfish? nato oil on the head. calvin— country so selfish? nato oil on the head. calvin if— country so selfish? nato oil on the head. calvin if people are tesperote— the head. calvin if people are tesperote to— the head. calvin if people are desperate to-a- the head. calvin if people are desperate to a child and desperate to have a child and tney— desperate to have a child and tney-nowe— desperate to have a child and they have themselves, they can't have one themselves, wnot-s— they can't have one themselves, what's—fostering- they can't have one themselves, what's—fostering or. what's wrong with fostering or otopttont— what's wrong with fostering or adoption?-are-

what's wrong with fostering or adoption? are many, adoption? so there are many, nony— adoption? so there are many, nony-tnot- adoption? so there are many,l many _that-looking many children that are looking for many children that are looking tor o— many children that are looking tor o towtng—go- many children that are looking. for a loving—go abroad for a loving home. why go abroad and for a loving home. why go abroad ont-tote— for a loving home. why go abroad ont-tote one— for a loving home. why go abroad and _take one from - for a loving home. why go abroad and take one from abroad and well, take one from abroad or buy— and well, take one from abroad or buy one— and well, take one from abroad or buy one from _ and well, take one from abroad or buy one from abroad? essentially— or buy one from abroad? essentially also from margaret . essentially also from margaret. tns— essentially also from margaret. tnts ts— essentially also from margaret. tnts ts o— essentially also from margaret. this is a christian— essentially also from margaret. this is a christian country and cnrtsttontty— this is a christian country and christianity is— this is a christian country and christianity is under attack. all christianity is under attack. att oer— christianity is under attack. all over the _ christianity is under attack. all over the world. the king nust— all over the world. the king nust nowe— all over the world. the king nust nowe o— all over the world. the king must have a christian ceremony. onty— must have a christian ceremony. enty ant— must have a christian ceremony. onty ant wttn— must have a christian ceremony. only and with you— must have a christian ceremony. only and with you as well, aaorgoret— only and with you as well, margaret. it's— only and with you as well, margaret. it's a— only and with you as well, margaret. it's a christian ceremony. that's not to say that peopte— ceremony. that's not to say that peopte ot— ceremony. that's not to say that peopte ot otner— ceremony. that's not to say that people of other faiths are not are people of other faiths are not not— people of other faiths are not are not welcome. _ people of other faiths are not are not welcome. of course they nut— are not welcome. of course they are. but-ceremony- are not welcome. of course they are. but ceremony itself is are. but the ceremony itself is cnrtstton— are. but the ceremony itself is christian-this- are. but the ceremony itself is christian-this is- are. but the ceremony itself is christian-this is a- christian because this is a cnrtstton— christian because this is a christian-it's- christian because this is a christian it's part christian because this is a. christian-it's part of christian country. it's part of our constitution,— christian country. it's part of our constitution, and is our constitution, and that is now— our constitution, and that is now-tntngs- our constitution, and that is how things, grace says. how we do things, grace says. i tntnt— how we do things, grace says. i tntnt tn— how we do things, grace says. i think in today's— how we do things, grace says. i think in today's modern world it woutt— think in today's modern world it woutt-tt— think in today's modern world it woutt-rt we— think in today's modern world it would-if we-all. would be nice if we could all unterstont— would be nice if we could all understand, appreciate and respect— understand, appreciate and respect ott— understand, appreciate and respect all religions. no respect all religions. it no tonger— respect all religions. it no tonger-to— respect all religions. it no longer to solely longer has to be solely christian— longer has to be solely christian in— longer has to be solely christian in grace. the idea tnot— christian in grace. the idea that-religions- christian in grace. the idea that religions are equal is that all religions are equal is a that all religions are equal is owery— that all religions are equal is a very dangerous— that all religions are equal is a very dangerous especially a very dangerous one, especially wnen— a very dangerous one, especially wnen you— a very dangerous one, especially wnen you took— a very dangerous one, especially when you look at— a very dangerous one, especially when you look at values of some tottns— when you look at values of some tottns-not— when you look at values of some faiths-not share- when you look at values of some faiths-not share our- faiths that do not share our toues— faiths that do not share our values i brits. _ faiths that do not share our values-brits. it's- values as brits. it's a eoneernng- values as brits. it's a concerning prospect. now for a eonpotgn— concerning prospect. now for a eonpotgn-to- concerning prospect. now for a new campaign to resurrect new campaign hopes to resurrect a vacancies for school a gap in vacancies for school teoeners— a gap in vacancies for school teoeners ont— a gap in vacancies for school teachers and religious education teoeners— teachers and religious education teachers, according teachers, especially according to - recruitment _ teachers, especially according to recruitment and to the recruitment and enptoynent- to the recruitment and employment confederation. there to the recruitment and em|nownent confederation. there to the recruitment and em|now morezonfederation. there to the recruitment and em|now more thanieration. there to the recruitment and em|now more than 1000)n. there to the recruitment and em|now more than 1000 fewerzre are now more than 1000 fewer teoeners— are now more than 1000 fewer teachers than— are now more than 1000 fewer teachers than there were ten yeors— teachers than there were ten

yeors ogo— teachers than there were ten yeors ogo. tt— teachers than there were ten years ago. it may also not surprtse— years ago. it may also not surprtse you— years ago. it may also not surprise you, therefore, that untwerstty— surprise you, therefore, that university applications to study to teone— university applications to study to teone o— university applications to study to become a teacher have dropped by a_ to become a teacher have dropped by o tttrt— to become a teacher have dropped by o tntrt. wny— to become a teacher have dropped by o tntrt. wny to— to become a teacher have dropped by a third. why do we think this is? by a third. why do we think this tst oo— by a third. why do we think this no no peopte— by a third. why do we think this is? do people not— by a third. why do we think this is? do people not see religious etueotton— is? do people not see religious etueotton os— is? do people not see religious education as an— is? do people not see religious education as an important, tntegrot— education as an important, integral subject— education as an important, integral subject to a well rountet— integral subject to a well. rounded-anymore integral subject to a well- rounded-anymore ? well, rounded education anymore? well, totntng— rounded education anymore? well, totntnglnow— rounded education anymore? well, totntnglnow ts— rounded education anymore? well, totntnglnow ts our— rounded education anymore? well, joining now is our teacher , joining us now is our teacher, nett— joining us now is our teacher, nett-netn— joining us now is our teacher, beth.-beth, thank- joining us now is our teacher, beth. beth, thank you for beth. right. beth, thank you for totntng— beth. right. beth, thank you for totntng — beth. right. beth, thank you for joining us. what's— beth. right. beth, thank you for joining us. what's your take on tnst— joining us. what's your take on tntst-to— joining us. what's your take on tntst-to you— joining us. what's your take on this?-do you think- joining us. what's your take on this? do you think is no this? why do you think is no tonger— this? why do you think is no longer considered important longer considered an important sung-este— longer considered an important sutteett — longer considered an important sutteett nt— longer considered an important subject? hi, calvin.- longer considered an important subject? hi, calvin. i- longer considered an important subject? 1“ subject? hi, calvin. i think there are many elements to this to this issue. i'm going to start, first of all, with quite a practical one in that when you train to become a teacher, you can apply for a bursary for and kind of geography, chemistry , kind of geography, chemistry, um, you know, the science , um, you know, the science, there's maths, you get between kind of 20 and 30 grand. so it's a lot of money, but it enables those teachers to go and train in those subjects and therefore there are not a shortage of those teachers in religious studies. when i trained, they offered four grand, which for a yearis offered four grand, which for a year is not going to cut it in terms of living on that went up to nine grand. but for the last

two years that's been that's been £0. and so if you're wanting to become a religious studies teacher, there's a kind of a government loan you can apply of a government loan you can apply for, but not one that will see you through that year. so first off, really practical. absolutely no. bursary that's funding that. i think second of all, related studies within the majority of secondary schools , majority of secondary schools, schools are seen as this kind of undervalued mickey mouse unrigorous subject act that their pupils therefore don't want to do. and key stage three and a lot of schools don't set up those pupils to inaya joy and thrive at gcse in religious studies and then go on to a—level and therefore they're not being fed through to those university places . and then university places. and then i think this is all ultimately underpinned by as you kind of alluded to, this wider cultural shift in society where fewer people are religious, fewer people are religious, fewer people are religious, fewer people are valuing religion

every . i'm with you, every every. i'm with you, every single society that's ever existed has this foundation of religion . and so to not kind of religion. and so to not kind of provide a rich cultural capital for pupils at schools at that level of course they're not going to go on and study it if it's not taken seriously. i mean , it's wider than just the subject of arias and it is about cultural capital. you're right. it is cultural capital. you're right. tt ts otout— cultural capital. you're right. it is about having— rt4.44. rt.33 you're right. it is about having christian toues— it is about having christian toues tn— it is about having christian values in our— it is about having christian values in our schools. it used to-ose— values in our schools. it used to-ose tnot- values in our schools. it used to-case that the- values in our schools. it used to case that the lord's to be the case that the lord's troyer— to be the case that the lord's troyer-sott— to be the case that the lord's prayer- said .the- to be the case that the lord's prayer said the start of prayer was said at the start of ewery— prayer was said at the start of ewery ossentty— prayer was said at the start of every assembly and that there o nynn— every assembly and that there o nynn tn— every assembly and that there was a hymn in every school is tnot— was a hymn in every school is tnot sttt— was a hymn in every school is that still the— was a hymn in every school is that still the case? \rti1r that still the case? no, absolutely— that still the case? no, absolutely know the absolutely not. i know the majority schools, the majority of schools, the majority of schools, the majority that majority of friends i have that are and other schools are teachers and other schools in of cases, i'd in the majority of cases, i'd say that actually of say that actually kind of religion seen to this thing religion is seen to this thing to be a voided and thing to kind of not study, not embrace . and of not study, not embrace. and certainly there's been a huge shift away from the cultural elements of christianity in our society . teachers are scared of

society. teachers are scared of it. teachers don't want to face it. teachers don't want to face it. and then, of course , that's it. and then, of course, that's going to feed into the psyche of pupils when they're when it's not kind of presented to them in a in an academically rigorous way. they're going to not want to study it. so what can we do about this? you know, i used to be about this? you know, i used to te o— about this? you know, i used to te o teoener— about this? you know, i used to be a teacher myself— about this? you know, i used to be a teacher myself .- about this? you know, i used to be a teacher myself . i- 37 you know, i used to be a teacher myself . i used to be a teacher myself. i used to teoen— be a teacher myself. i used to teach computer— be a teacher myself. i used to teach computer science, and we did teach computer science, and we ttt sone— teach computer science, and we did some advertisement did some big advertisement eonpotgns— campaigns saying get into teoettng— campaigns saying get into teaching-face- campaigns saying get into teaching.-face used teaching. and my face was used on-ont— teaching. and my face was used on-ont-tn- teaching. and my face was used on-ont-tn noti on billboards and stuff. i'm not sure-tut— on billboards and stuff. i'm not sure-tut we- on billboards and stuff. i'm not sure-but we tried. i sure it worked, but we tried. wnot— sure it worked, but we tried. nnot-we— sure it worked, but we tried. wnot-we to— sure it worked, but we tried. what-we dolget- sure it worked, but we tried. what we do get people to what can we do to get people to teone— what can we do to get people to teone tac— what can we do to get people to become rac teachers? beth well, i'm become rac teachers? beth well, tn sure— become rac teachers? beth well, tn your— become rac teachers? beth well, i'm sure your face— become rac teachers? beth well, i'm sure your face on billboards did i'm sure your face on billboards ttt nowe— i'm sure your face on billboards ttt nowe on— i'm sure your face on billboards did have an impact. i think, tnst— did have an impact. i think, trot-ott— did have an impact. i think, first all, you know, i don't first of all, you know, i don't want money at the want throwing money at the problems, going to solve problems, never going to solve anything but having anything. but i think having a strong bursary for religious studies certainly going studies is certainly going to put people's is put people's hopes up. i, for example, studied as an english teacher in order get the bursary and in order to get the bursary and in my intention was to then go on and become a religious studies teacher. i know someone who is going study , is going to going to study, is going to train in computer science in order to become a religious studies teacher, because they can't just study to become a

religious studies teacher directly . i then think that it directly. i then think that it needs to become a more academically rigorous subject. it needs to be something that's in line and equal with history, with geography. so many schools have religious studies. maybe once every two weeks. and if you're just just seeing a teacher just learning that content once every two weeks, then you know you're not going to have the kind of impact that you want. so i think putting it kind of higher on the timetable religious studies is about teaching the best that's been thought and and i think thought and said. and i think that often it's also dumbed that very often it's also dumbed down. as it's kind of down. it's seen as it's kind of given to pupils in a way that teachers think they're going to understand. actually, pupils want to be challenged, pupils want to be challenged, pupils want to be pushed. and when that doesn't don't doesn't happen, they don't thrive in a classroom and therefore they're not going to want it on further. want to take it on further. yeah, said beth. that yeah, well said beth. that was tnt— yeah, well said beth. that was trot-rtgnt— yeah, well said beth. that was tnt-rtgnt tn- rmt at beth, right in litchfield._ rmt at beth, right in litchfield. thank for litchfield. thank you for totntng— litchfield. thank you for totntng us— litchfield. thank you for joining us today. i'm with you enttrety— joining us today. i'm with you enttrety. tt— joining us today. i'm with you entirely. it seems— joining us today. i'm with you entirely. it seems to the

entirely. it seems to me the government— entirely. it seems to me the government is— entirely. it seems to me the government is putting rac relationships— government is putting rac relationships education relationships and sex education otowe—to- relationships and sex education otowe—to tei above rac, which seems to be eoustng— above rac, which seems to be eoustngltot— above rac, which seems to be eoustngltot ot— above rac, which seems to be causing lot of societal issues causing a lot of societal issues ont— causing a lot of societal issues ont teot— causing a lot of societal issues ont teotlto— causing a lot of societal issues and lead-to where- causing a lot of societal issues and lead to where are and lead us to where we are totoy— and lead us to where we are totoy-eoen— and lead us to where we are today.-each-on. and lead us to where we are. today.-each-on the today. now, each week on the snow.— today. now, each week on the snow-tne — today. now, each week on the snow-tne to— today. now, each week on the show,.like to end- today. now, each week on the show, like to end with our show, we like to end with our etostng— show, we like to end with our etostng proyer— show, we like to end with our closing prayer and the collect for closing prayer and the collect tor—otter- for the first sunday after toster— for the first sunday after. easter, _ father, easter, our almighty father, who has easter, our almighty father, who nos—onty— easter, our almighty father, who nos—onty son- easter, our almighty father, who nos—onty to- easter, our almighty father, who has—only son to diei has given thine only son to die for has given thine only son to die tor our— has given thine only son to die tor sns— has given thine only son to die for our sins and— has given thine only son to die for our sins and to— has given thine only son to die for our sins and to rise again for our sins and to rise again for-justification,- for our sins and to rise again for justification, grant us 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next days. many of us, next few days. for many of us, it's going to fairly cloudy it's going to be fairly cloudy tomorrow, but brighter skies tomorrow, but the brighter skies are return as go into are set to return as we go into early week. so here's early next week. so here's the situation at the moment. we've got high pressure trying to move situation at the moment. we've go acrosspressure trying to move situation at the moment. we've go across the sure trying to move situation at the moment. we've go across the uk, trying to move situation at the moment. we've go across the uk, butng to move situation at the moment. we've go across the uk, but these move situation at the moment. we've go across the uk, but these two a in across the uk, but these two weather fronts will move in across areas we across many western areas as we go through next 24 hours, go through the next 24 hours, bringing spell bringing in another spell of cloud and rain. you can see it on the graphics here, already moving ireland and moving into northern ireland and eventually as eventually into scotland as the evening for many evening goes on. for many eastern parts, actually, it's going remain fairly dry with going to remain fairly dry with some clear skies, maybe the odd mist patch, but also mist and fog patch, but also here could just see touch here we could just see a touch of frost. further west where of frost. but further west where we see the cloud and rain, it should be a fairly mild night. the to recent so the compared to recent so tomorrow for a lot of us it starts off fairly grey. could you see some brightness across the but generally a lot of the east? but generally a lot of cloud around some outbreaks of rain too. quite light and patchy though mainly nuisance value more than anything else. but then going into afternoon, then going into the afternoon, brighter for northern brighter skies for northern ireland and scotland. this may brighter skies for northern irela trigger scotland. this may brighter skies for northern irela trigger a:otland. this may brighter skies for northern irela trigger a few nd. this may brighter skies for northern irela trigger a few showers,�*nay brighter skies for northern irela trigger a few showers, but well trigger a few showers, but also feeling quite warm here in

the sunshine. could see highs reaching degrees. but still reaching 17 degrees. but still quite where that quite disappointing. where that cloud lingers across parts of england and wales into the evening . a lot of the showers evening. a lot of the showers generally fading away. so as we go into the small hours of monday, actually quite a lot of the uk generally dry. some clear skies, especially across scotland also some scotland and also across some eastern parts of england, too. here again , we could just see here again, we could just see a touch frost , but where the touch of frost, but where the cloud it should be cloud hangs on it should be fairly mild for most as we start monday morning . so going into monday morning. so going into monday morning. so going into monday again , a fairly cloudy monday again, a fairly cloudy start across the west, but the clearer skies across the east will slowly spread their way a little bit further westwards as the day goes on. so some good sunshine developing across the midlands, southern midlands, central southern england, northern scotland, and maybe northern ireland, maybe also northern ireland, too. in the sunshine, too. and in the sunshine, especially come tuesday , we especially come tuesday, we could see highs reaching 20 degrees the .

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