animals. it's after a warwickshire mum spotted a animals. it's after a— warwickshire mum spotted a seal in a— warwickshire mum spotted a seal in a peel— warwickshire mum spotted a seal in a peel and— warwickshire mum spotted a seal in a peel and send— warwickshire mum spotted a seal in a peel and send us in your pictures.— in a peel and send us in your pictures. if— in a peel and send us in your pictures. if you've— in a peel and send us in your pictures. if you've ever come across an animal— pictures. if you've ever come across an animal imitating sport. — across an animal imitating sport. au— across an animal imitating sport. all of— across an animal imitating sport. all of that and more coming— sport. all of that and more coming up.— sport. all of that and more coming up. but— sport. all of that and more coming up. but first, here's an update— coming up. but first, here's an update en— coming up. but first, here's an update on the— coming up. but first, here's an update on the latest news from tatiana— update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez— update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez ._ update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . _ update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . if“? update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez. �* tatiana sanchez. darren, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. nine people have been arrested after a large number of protesters tried to enter the course at the grand national. the start of the race was delayed for a short period of time after animal rights protesters entered the course at aintree. three people were also arrested earlier today on suspicion of conspiracy to cause pubuc suspicion of conspiracy to cause public nuisance, demonstrate . public nuisance, demonstrate. haters say the race is cruel with 60 horses dying at the festival in the past 23 years. and it was crack rambler who ultimately won the race. the government is under pressure to

prevent the most extreme nurses strike. yet after the latest pay offer was rejected , members from offer was rejected, members from the rcn voted against the 5% pay rise, meaning the nhs nurses and emergency department intensive care and cancer wards will take industrial action for the first time. the 48 hour walkout will start on the 30th of april, but 74% of unison members voted to accept the same offer should business secretary jonathan reynolds says labour would aboush reynolds says labour would abolish the non—dom status to help ease the nhs crisis. i'd say what we can tell \. t i'd say what we can tell from what we've seen yesterday is first of all we've seen yesterday is first of an e— we've seen yesterday is first of all a resolution— we've seen yesterday is first of all a resolution is— we've seen yesterday is first of all a resolution is relatively close — all a resolution is relatively close ._ all a resolution is relatively close. i think— all a resolution is relatively close. i think the government should— close. i think the government should have— close. i think the government should have negotiated sooner eme— should have negotiated sooner ems-wee— should have negotiated sooner this-was always- this year. this was always resolvable. _ this year. this was always resolvable. been resolvable. this has always been us resolvable. this has always been [es—but— resolvable. this has always been us—bue ire— resolvable. this has always been us_but it's also- resolvable. this has always been us but it's also been us about pay, but it's also been about— us about pay, but it's also been about the— us about pay, but it's also been about the burden,— us about pay, but it's also been about the burden, the workload, wes— about the burden, the workload, was staff— about the burden, the workload, nhs staff ee— about the burden, the workload, nhs staff are under. and if you take— nhs staff are under. and if you take-plan,— nhs staff are under. and if you take - plan, which - nhs staff are under. and if you take plan, which is to take our plan, which is to abolish— take our plan, which is to abolish the— take our plan, which is to abolish the non—dom super tax regime— abolish the non—dom super tax regime-very— abolish the non—dom super tax regime very wealthy people , regime for very wealthy people, use regime for very wealthy people, thee— regime for very wealthy people, use that revenue— regime for very wealthy people, use that revenue over £3 billion to expend— use that revenue over £3 billion to expand the— use that revenue over £3 billion to expand the nhs— use that revenue over £3 billion to expand the nhs workforce, you-e— to expand the nhs workforce, you-re grung— to expand the nhs workforce, you're giving people some hope to expand the nhs workforce, you'isome ng people some hope to expand the nhs workforce, you'isome of people some hope to expand the nhs workforce, you'isome of the ple some hope to expand the nhs workforce, you'isome of the pressures hope that some of the pressures rreu-re— that some of the pressures they're -future - that some of the pressures they're future are they're under in future are going—

they're under in future are going-resolved.- they're under in future are going resolved. and going to be resolved. and i ruruk— going to be resolved. and i flunk-eu— going to be resolved. and i think all they've think that's all they've ever asked— think that's all they've ever asked government . think that's all they've ever- asked-government . the asked from the government. the shadow— asked from the government. the shadow armed— asked from the government. the shadow armed forces minister has told shadow armed forces minister has reru ee— shadow armed forces minister has reru ee newe— shadow armed forces minister has reru ee were u— shadow armed forces minister has told gb news a blind eye is being— told gb news a blind eye is being turned— told gb news a blind eye is being turned to— told gb news a blind eye is being turned to predators around puruumeur— being turned to predators around parliament that— being turned to predators around parliament that luke pollard has described— parliament that luke pollard has described westminster as the mee— described westminster as the most unprofessional workplace ree— most unprofessional workplace he's encountered— most unprofessional workplace he's encountered . g he's encountered. speaking to gloria de piero , the mp who gloria de piero, the mp who recently announced he'll step back from politics, says victims of abuse and bullying are repeatedly being let down. i still don't think westminster is a still don't think westminster is u eure— still don't think westminster is u sure prece— still don't think westminster is u eure puree re— still don't think westminster is a safe place to work, especially for merry— a safe place to work, especially for menu er— a safe place to work, especially for many of the— a safe place to work, especially for many of the young members of earr— for many of the young members of ear rear— for many of the young members of ear ruur ure— for many of the young members of staff that mps employ. and we knew— staff that mps employ. and we knew rear— staff that mps employ. and we know that there _ staff that mps employ. and we know that there are predators ureuru— know that there are predators around westminster that are eemerrmee— around westminster that are eemerrmee re— around westminster that are sometimes is allowed to continue to sometimes is allowed to continue re er— sometimes is allowed to continue re or u— sometimes is allowed to continue re er a bure— sometimes is allowed to continue to or a blind eye— sometimes is allowed to continue to or a blind eye turned . and i to or a blind eye turned. and i weer— to or a blind eye turned. and i uuur re— to or a blind eye turned. and i uuur re se— to or a blind eye turned. and i want to see that— to or a blind eye turned. and i want to see that changed because i want to see that changed because r ruruk— want to see that changed because i think westminster— want to see that changed because i think westminster should embody— i think westminster should embody rue— i think westminster should embody the very best of our eeurrrru— embody the very best of our eeuurry .— embody the very best of our eeuurry . r— embody the very best of our country . it should be a place country. it should be a place rear— country. it should be a place rrur peepre— country. it should be a place that people aspire to get ereereu— that people aspire to get elected to _ that people aspire to get elected to and then want to charge— elected to and then want to change rue— elected to and then want to change the world from a position of change the world from a position or erreuerrr. — change the world from a position of strength. and— change the world from a position of strength. and i'm afraid at rue— of strength. and i'm afraid at rue-r— of strength. and i'm afraid at the-i sometimes- of strength. and i'm afraid at the i sometimes feel the moment i sometimes feel rreermruerer— the moment i sometimes feel westminster-the- the moment i sometimes feel westminster the rest of the westminster lets the rest of the eeuurrr— westminster lets the rest of the eeuurry ueuu. — westminster lets the rest of the country down. so— westminster lets the rest of the country down. tr?" country down. so you can see that full interview with the shadow forces minister

shadow armed forces minister luke on gloria meets luke pollard on gloria meets tomorrow at p.m. demonstrators tomorrow at 6 pm. demonstrators have gathered in london's trafalgar square to protest against the expansion of the ultra low emission zone . if it ultra low emission zone. if it goes ahead, drivers in outer london will have to pay £12.50 a day. if their vehicles don't meet emission standards. five conservative led councils have launched legal action against the plans. but the mayor of london's office calls the challenge costly and misguided and argues the proposal is life saving around a quarter of young people are living in poor quality housing, according to the latest research. think tank. the resolution foundation says 26% of 18 to 24 year olds live in damp buildings with no electricity, heating or plumbing. the company also found that those living in such conditions are twice as likely to experience ill health. and the scottish government is considering drafting in the army as a replacement for a key highland ferry service. the ship

that normally makes the five minute crossing of loch linni broke down last friday, leading to a 42 mile diversion . it to a 42 mile diversion. it normally carries more than 270,000 cars a year . a foot 270,000 cars a year. a foot passenger service is operating twice a day . tv online , dab, twice a day. tv online, dab, radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to . news. now it's back to. darren welcome to neil oliver live with me, darren grimes, the man himself will be back this time next week. but first up, i want to next week. but first up, i want re rur— next week. but first up, i want re rurk re— next week. but first up, i want re rurk re vou— next week. but first up, i want to talk to you about- "cixic but first up, i want to talk to you about elon musk beeuuee— to talk to you about elon musk because he— to talk to you about elon musk because he this— to talk to you about elon musk because he this week the twitter uuu er— because he this week the twitter owner and, of course, tech titan , re — owner and, of course, tech titan , re eur— owner and, of course, tech titan , re err ueuu — owner and, of course, tech titan , he sat down with— owner and, of course, tech titan , he sat down with james clayton— , he sat down with james clayton, who's- , he sat down with james clayton, who's a tech reporter freer— clayton, who's a tech reporter from euc— clayton, who's a tech reporter from bbc north— clayton, who's a tech reporter from bbc north america for the bbc,— from bbc north america for the rec, which— from bbc north america for the bbc, which the— from bbc north america for the bbc, which the government prrmurru— bbc, which the government primarily funds, of course, rureugrr— primarily funds, of course, rureuerr u— primarily funds, of course, through a mandatory licence fee

mk— through a mandatory licence fee mk reeue— through a mandatory licence fee , took issue with— through a mandatory licence fee , took issue with musk's labelling— , took issue with musk's labelling of— , took issue with musk's labelling of the government under— labelling of the government ruuueu rue— labelling of the government funded tag that was put across rurrrer. — funded tag that was put across rurrrer. rere— funded tag that was put across twitter. this is— funded tag that was put across twitter. this is archaic and coercive taxation method though. in coercive taxation method though. ru mu— coercive taxation method though. ru my view— coercive taxation method though. rrr my rear— coercive taxation method though. in my view that threatens imprisonment— in my view that threatens imprisonment of course, for non—compliance- imprisonment of course, for non—compliance or non—payment is reruuu— non—compliance or non—payment is reruuu uueuru— non—compliance or non—payment is totally absurd in— non—compliance or non—payment is totally absurd in today's modern ureuueuerrue— totally absurd in today's modern broadcasting landscape asap. nowr _ broadcasting landscape asap. ueu, resurre— broadcasting landscape asap. now, despite the bbc's lofty reprrurreue— now, despite the bbc's lofty aspirations, i've— now, despite the bbc's lofty aspirations, i've no doubt of herring— aspirations, i've no doubt of herurug ereu— aspirations, i've no doubt of holding elon accountable for his freer— holding elon accountable for his freer rer— holding elon accountable for his rrgrrr for free— holding elon accountable for his fight for free speech on the rubric— fight for free speech on the public platform. the reporter urrrveu— public platform. the reporter urrrreu ur— public platform. the reporter arrived at twitter hq in the demeerur— arrived at twitter hq in the democrat run— arrived at twitter hq in the democrat run crime ridden reurrere— democrat run crime ridden hellhole of— democrat run crime ridden hellhole of san— democrat run crime ridden hellhole of san francisco. reruuu— hellhole of san francisco. totally unprepared to challenge the totally unprepared to challenge rrre recu— totally unprepared to challenge the tech mogul.— totally unprepared to challenge the tech mogul. he failed to preeeur— the tech mogul. he failed to present evidence to support his urrueke— present evidence to support his urrueke err— present evidence to support his attacks on elon— present evidence to support his attacks on elon musk, who briefly,— attacks on elon musk, who urrerru ru— attacks on elon musk, who urrerry, re my— attacks on elon musk, who briefly, in my view , who stands briefly, in my view, who stands up rer— briefly, in my view, who stands up for re— briefly, in my view, who stands up for the free— briefly, in my view, who stands up for the free speech rights of we wru— up for the free speech rights of we with dissenting voices and of uruury— we with dissenting voices and of course, hillary clinton's

deplorables_ course, hillary clinton's deplorables as the bbc's north america— deplorables as the bbc's north america recu— deplorables as the bbc's north america tech reporterjames america tech reporter james curren— america tech reporter james clayton turned— america tech reporter james clayton turned up with a load of lazy— clayton turned up with a load of her merel— clayton turned up with a load of lazy liberal left— clayton turned up with a load of lazy liberal left accusations around— lazy liberal left accusations around hateful— lazy liberal left accusations around hateful content on rurrrer— around hateful content on we ,— around hateful content on twitter , mr. _ around hateful content on twitter , mr. clayton asserted twitter, mr. clayton asserted rear— twitter, mr. clayton asserted ruur reu— twitter, mr. clayton asserted that he'd seen— twitter, mr. clayton asserted that he'd seen more hateful eeureur— that he'd seen more hateful eeureur err— that he'd seen more hateful content on his— that he'd seen more hateful content on his timeline, but ferre— content on his timeline, but rerke wren— content on his timeline, but folks, when musk challenged the bbc folks, when musk challenged the rec reuruur— folks, when musk challenged the bbc journal for— folks, when musk challenged the bbc journal for specific examples— bbc journal for specific examples of— bbc journal for specific examples of hate that he'd seen on examples of hate that he'd seen or rue— examples of hate that he'd seen or re reed,— examples of hate that he'd seen on his feed, guess— examples of hate that he'd seen on his feed, guess what the ieuruuuer— on his feed, guess what the journalist couldn't offer a single— journalist couldn't offer a erngre erre— journalist couldn't offer a single one cause musk to accuse the single one cause musk to accuse rrre ieuruuuer— single one cause musk to accuse the journalist of— single one cause musk to accuse the journalist of lying after he eure— the journalist of lying after he sure he— the journalist of lying after he said he couldn't— the journalist of lying after he said he couldn't give an example because— said he couldn't give an example because re— said he couldn't give an example because is somewhat confusingly, he because is somewhat confusingly, rre ruse-r— because is somewhat confusingly, re rueu-r ueeu— because is somewhat confusingly, he hasn't used twitter in the leer— he hasn't used twitter in the he merrrr— he hasn't used twitter in the last month or— he hasn't used twitter in the last month or so— he hasn't used twitter in the last month or so . “ring: t last month or so. yes, because you— last month or so. yes, because you can't give me a single example of hateful content, not even one tweet. and yet your claimed that the hateful content was high . well, that's a false . was high. well, that's a false. no, what i. you just lied. what no, what i. you just lied. what no, no. what? i it's incredible

. imean, no, no. what? i it's incredible . i mean, you might think i mean, you might think that . i mean, you might think that red— . i mean, you might think that here be— i mean, you might think that he'd be embarrassed, but. no if ruining,— he'd be embarrassed, but. no if anythingr reeke— he'd be embarrassed, but. no if anything, folks, he— he'd be embarrassed, but. no if anything, folks, he doubled dour.— anything, folks, he doubled ueuu. reu— anything, folks, he doubled down. you see,— anything, folks, he doubled down. you see, at the time when i down. you see, at the time when r wee— down. you see, at the time when rues remune— down. you see, at the time when i was thinking about it, i had reuuee— i was thinking about it, i had reuuee er— i was thinking about it, i had tonnes of examples of hate speech — tonnes of examples of hate speech rear— tonnes of examples of hate speech that i— tonnes of examples of hate speech that i could have given him— speech that i could have given rum, bur— speech that i could have given rum, bur r— speech that i could have given him, but i didn't— speech that i could have given him, but i didn't want to eerrrruue— him, but i didn't want to continue to— him, but i didn't want to continue to go- him, but i didn't want to continue to go down that path. vou— continue to go down that path. you hear— continue to go down that path. you hear him — continue to go down that path. you hear him there? oh,- continue to go down that path. /r:::. " “ritifi' oh, if continue to go down that path. /r:i:r. " ”rrzizifi’ oh, if only you hear him there? oh, if only i had all you hear him there? oh, if only r read an er— you hear him there? oh, if only i had all of this— you hear him there? oh, if only i had all of this bank- you hear him there? oh, if only i had all of this bank of- i had all of this bank of evidence— i had all of this bank of evidence .— i had all of this bank of evidence . i— i had all of this bank of evidence . i mean, clayton then evidence. i mean, clayton then eeuerrr— evidence. i mean, clayton then eeugur re— evidence. i mean, clayton then eeugrrr re rude— evidence. i mean, clayton then sought to hide behind the think reekere— sought to hide behind the think reekere eru— sought to hide behind the think tankers and pro—censorship reuuurere— tankers and pro—censorship lobbyists like— tankers and pro—censorship lobbyists like the institute for srrureere— lobbyists like the institute for strategic dialogue . now, this strategic dialogue. now, this ruerrrure— strategic dialogue. now, this institute writes— strategic dialogue. now, this institute writes reports and sende— institute writes reports and sends tre— institute writes reports and sends its people out to meet the tree— sends its people out to meet the tree er— sends its people out to meet the tree or rue— sends its people out to meet the likes of the bbc.— sends its people out to meet the likes of the bbc. sharon, of course , their— likes of the bbc. sharon, of course , their worldview and that course, their worldview and that of course, their worldview and that or he — course, their worldview and that or he uureu— course, their worldview and that of the united nations and the urete— of the united nations and the world economic— of the united nations and the world economic forum and others , eepeeruuu— world economic forum and others , eepeeruuy uter— world economic forum and others , especially when it— world economic forum and others , especially when it comes to rue— , especially when it comes to flee — , especially when it comes to flee er— , especially when it comes to the issue of climate, in which erreueuee— the issue of climate, in which challenge and— the issue of climate, in which challenge and teenage truant ereru— challenge and teenage truant greta thunberg_ challenge and teenage truant greta thunberg erg sees you're ueeueeu— greta thunberg erg sees you're ueeueeu er— greta thunberg erg sees you're accused of disinformation. the ruerrrure— accused of disinformation. the institute labelled _ accused of disinformation. the institute labelled tweets errrrererue— institute labelled tweets criticising the - institute labelled tweets criticising the wef and the billionaire— criticising the wef and the billionaire george soros as

anti—semitic,— billionaire george soros as anti—semitic, allowing the bbc to anti—semitic, allowing the bbc re argue— anti—semitic, allowing the bbc re ureue rear— anti—semitic, allowing the bbc to argue that hateful speech was ruererere— to argue that hateful speech was therefore rising _ to argue that hateful speech was therefore rising on— to argue that hateful speech was therefore rising on twitter . therefore rising on twitter. ure— therefore rising on twitter. rrrre re— therefore rising on twitter. he is u— therefore rising on twitter. this is a remarkable attack on ere— this is a remarkable attack on and frankly,— this is a remarkable attack on and frankly, the— this is a remarkable attack on and frankly, the very fake news rear— and frankly, the very fake news ruur rrre — and frankly, the very fake news that the likes— and frankly, the very fake news that the likes of— and frankly, the very fake news that the likes of the bbc like to that the likes of the bbc like re wu— that the likes of the bbc like to wax lyrical— that the likes of the bbc like to wax lyrical about until the cows come home— to wax lyrical about until the cows come home about the dangers of day— cows come home about the dangers or eat ru— cows come home about the dangers or eat in erre— cows come home about the dangers or day re and day— cows come home about the dangers of day in and day out. these people— of day in and day out. these people weer— of day in and day out. these people eat u— of day in and day out. these people want a return to the days when— people want a return to the days when u— people want a return to the days when a certain— people want a return to the days when a certain that— people want a return to the days when a certain that women aren't ueuru— when a certain that women aren't men would lead— when a certain that women aren't men would lead to— when a certain that women aren't men would lead to an instant ban trem— men would lead to an instant ban rrerr preforme— men would lead to an instant ban from platforms like— men would lead to an instant ban from platforms like twitter . from platforms like twitter. they— from platforms like twitter. rtey weer— from platforms like twitter. they eat u— from platforms like twitter. they want a return to the days of they want a return to the days or rue— they want a return to the days or rue de— they want a return to the days of the de facto— they want a return to the days of the de facto public square rear— of the de facto public square that twitter— of the de facto public square that twitter now— of the de facto public square that twitter now is being free of that twitter now is being free or tree — that twitter now is being free of those views. _ that twitter now is being free of those views. who might well have — of those views. who might well have vereu— of those views. who might well have voted for— of those views. who might well have voted for brexit or for rrumpe— have voted for brexit or for trump? because folks, they view us as recru— trump? because folks, they view us as ruerer ,— trump? because folks, they view us as racist , as— trump? because folks, they view us as racist, as sexist, as rruuepueure— us as racist, as sexist, as rrurreprreure ,— us as racist, as sexist, as transphobic , or- us as racist, as sexist, as transphobic , or as climate transphobic, or as climate terriers.— transphobic, or as climate ueurere. ary— transphobic, or as climate deniers. any ism or phobia you turk— deniers. any ism or phobia you ruruk er— deniers. any ism or phobia you ruruk er ,— deniers. any ism or phobia you can think of, instead of being pro— can think of, instead of being pro border— can think of, instead of being pro border controls or pro men in eeerery— pro border controls or pro men in eeerery ,— pro border controls or pro men in society , motty_ pro border controls or pro men in society , motty or pro single in society, motty or pro single eueeep re— in society, motty or pro single sex spaces is pro— in society, motty or pro single sex spaces is pro science and realism— sex spaces is pro science and realism uter— sex spaces is pro science and realism when it—

sex spaces is pro science and realism when it comes to reducing— realism when it comes to reducing carbon emissions and or so on ere— reducing carbon emissions and or so on and so forth.— reducing carbon emissions and or so on and so forth. this bbc ee—euueu— so on and so forth. this bbc so—called journalist who is less teuruuuer— so—called journalist who is less journalist and— so—called journalist who is less journalist and more activist sat urt— journalist and more activist sat urrrr tren— journalist and more activist sat with elon musk— journalist and more activist sat with elon musk for an hour bupa and with elon musk for an hour bupa are rer— with elon musk for an hour bupa and nor ence— with elon musk for an hour bupa and nor ,— with elon musk for an hour bupa and not once , not— with elon musk for an hour bupa and not once , not one single and not once, not one single rime— and not once, not one single rrme eru— and not once, not one single tree are re— and not once, not one single time did he ask— and not once, not one single time did he ask about the utter— time did he ask about the twitter files,— time did he ask about the twitter files, complete with ererree— twitter files, complete with ererree ,— twitter files, complete with ererree , er— twitter files, complete with stories , of course, as we know stories, of course, as we know er— stories, of course, as we know or u— stories, of course, as we know now, of a election— stories, of course, as we know now, of a election fixing of the up— now, of a election fixing of the up er— now, of a election fixing of the cover up of the— now, of a election fixing of the cover up of the hunter biden turret— cover up of the hunter biden turret erery— cover up of the hunter biden turret erery erre— cover up of the hunter biden laptop story and the denial of free— laptop story and the denial of free speech— laptop story and the denial of free speech amendment rights rear— free speech amendment rights ruur truer— free speech amendment rights that musk exposed upon his rukeever— that musk exposed upon his rukeever er— that musk exposed upon his takeover of the _ that musk exposed upon his takeover of the platform . um, in takeover of the platform. um, in my view— takeover of the platform. um, in my ,— takeover of the platform. um, in my , we— takeover of the platform. um, in my view , we must— takeover of the platform. um, in my view , we must never, ever let my view, we must never, ever let umyueuy— my view, we must never, ever let umyueuy reu— my view, we must never, ever let umyueuy reu ue— my view, we must never, ever let anybody tell us again that the rec— anybody tell us again that the rec deem-r— anybody tell us again that the bbc doesn't have— anybody tell us again that the bbc doesn't have an agenda resurre— bbc doesn't have an agenda ueeprre, er— bbc doesn't have an agenda despite, of course, being a purperreury— despite, of course, being a purportedly impartial broadcast for purportedly impartial broadcast ferme— purportedly impartial broadcast for me rem— purportedly impartial broadcast for the next day— purportedly impartial broadcast for the next day after the elon mremreu— for the next day after the elon interview went— for the next day after the elon interview went viral across the meme— interview went viral across the meme emu— interview went viral across the internet and the— interview went viral across the internet and the bbc and its eerrvrere— internet and the bbc and its activists had— internet and the bbc and its activists had been thoroughly rrureureu— activists had been thoroughly ridiculed, they— activists had been thoroughly ridiculed, they published a tree— ridiculed, they published a piece seeking— ridiculed, they published a piece seeking to support its

crum— piece seeking to support its claim er— piece seeking to support its claim of hate— piece seeking to support its claim of hate speech mean and speech.— claim of hate speech mean and suede rmey— claim of hate speech mean and speech. they don't— claim of hate speech mean and speech. they don't like and terre— speech. they don't like and mur— speech. they don't like and views that they— speech. they don't like and views that they lament in this tree.— views that they lament in this tree. rmey— views that they lament in this piece. they sought to conflate meme-e— piece. they sought to conflate america's free _ piece. they sought to conflate america's free speech amendment meme— america's free speech amendment meme utm— america's free speech amendment meme rum ,— america's free speech amendment meme rum , yeu— america's free speech amendment rights with , you guessed it, um, rights with, you guessed it, um, i rights with, you guessed it, um, r mu— rights with, you guessed it, um, r me you— rights with, you guessed it, um, r me you mer— rights with, you guessed it, um, i kid you not straight from the lazy— i kid you not straight from the buy my— i kid you not straight from the lazy gary lineker_ i kid you not straight from the lazy gary lineker playbook. this mrervreu— lazy gary lineker playbook. this interview ought— lazy gary lineker playbook. this interview ought to— lazy gary lineker playbook. this interview ought to serve as a perem— interview ought to serve as a potent reminder— interview ought to serve as a potent reminder of the risks of erreume — potent reminder of the risks of erreume eur— potent reminder of the risks of allowing our speech to be censored in— allowing our speech to be censored in the- allowing our speech to be censored in the name of misinformation , in the name of misinformation, in the name of mere— misinformation, in the name of mere er— misinformation, in the name of hate or whatever— misinformation, in the name of hate or whatever else they want to hate or whatever else they want re use— hate or whatever else they want re re — hate or whatever else they want re re my— hate or whatever else they want to use to try and— hate or whatever else they want to use to try and tape your mum— to use to try and tape your mum smur— to use to try and tape your mouth shut and- to use to try and tape your mouth shut and remove your views trem— mouth shut and remove your views from pumm— mouth shut and remove your views from public view.— mouth shut and remove your views from public view. now twitter mrem— from public view. now twitter mrem mer— from public view. now twitter mrem nor be— from public view. now twitter might not be the— from public view. now twitter might not be the free speech. vulture— might not be the free speech. valhalla that— might not be the free speech. valhalla that many of us would ure— valhalla that many of us would like tr— valhalla that many of us would like rr re— valhalla that many of us would like rr re re,— valhalla that many of us would like it to be, but— valhalla that many of us would like it to be, but if— valhalla that many of us would like it to be, but if you ask mer— like it to be, but if you ask me, under elon— like it to be, but if you ask me, under elon musk, it's a stem— me, under elon musk, it's a ergm berrer— me, under elon musk, it's a sight better than it ever has been. — sight better than it ever has been. amr— sight better than it ever has been. me re— sight better than it ever has been. and is only the big tech company.— been. and is only the big tech eempumy. me— been. and is only the big tech company. the only one to be led by a— company. the only one to be led by u mm— company. the only one to be led by u ure— company. the only one to be led by a man who genuinely believes uter— by a man who genuinely believes rmur me— by a man who genuinely believes year he euyee— by a man who genuinely believes year me says? r— by a man who genuinely believes what he says? i want to leave you— what he says? i want to leave you utm— what he says? i want to leave you mm mm— what he says? i want to leave you with this quote by him

mmeem— you with this quote by him mmeeu .— you with this quote by him himself . aslef_ you with this quote by him himself . aslef in it, he says, himself. aslef in it, he says, mee— himself. aslef in it, he says, rree epeeem— himself. aslef in it, he says, free speech is— himself. aslef in it, he says, free speech is meaningless ureeer— free speech is meaningless meet you— free speech is meaningless unless you allow people you den-r— unless you allow people you ueu-r uke— unless you allow people you don't like to— unless you allow people you don't like to say— unless you allow people you don't like to say things you rem-r— don't like to say things you ueu-r uke— don't like to say things you ueu-r uke .— don't like to say things you don't like . now,- don't like to say things you don't like . now, we used to know don't like. now, we used to know me.— don't like. now, we used to know rme. rue— don't like. now, we used to know rme. we used— don't like. now, we used to know this. we used to— don't like. now, we used to know this. we used to tolerate this. we used— this. we used to tolerate this. we used re— this. we used to tolerate this. we used to accept this wholeheartedly . the bbc and wholeheartedly. the bbc and emere— wholeheartedly. the bbc and emere mey— wholeheartedly. the bbc and others, they might want us to go beek— others, they might want us to go back re— others, they might want us to go back re reme— others, they might want us to go back to being able— others, they might want us to go back to being able to silence meee— back to being able to silence meee mur— back to being able to silence those that we— back to being able to silence those that we disagree with. but i those that we disagree with. but r rem-r— those that we disagree with. but r ueu-r murk— those that we disagree with. but i don't think we— those that we disagree with. but i don't think we should let them meet — i don't think we should let them meet me— i don't think we should let them speech and debate— i don't think we should let them speech and debate takes us femur.— speech and debate takes us forward. these— speech and debate takes us forward. these censors want to rake— forward. these censors want to rake ue— forward. these censors want to take us backwards— forward. these censors want to take us backwards . now. all take us backwards. now. all of mur— take us backwards. now. all of mu re,— take us backwards. now. all of mu m er— take us backwards. now. all of that is, of course,— take us backwards. now. all of that is, of course, my opinion , that is, of course, my opinion, mu— that is, of course, my opinion, are you— that is, of course, my opinion, me you are— that is, of course, my opinion, and you are totally free. i'm ueuemeu— and you are totally free. i'm uerremeu re— and you are totally free. i'm delighted to say, to disagree . delighted to say, to disagree. reu— delighted to say, to disagree. veu em— delighted to say, to disagree. you can email— delighted to say, to disagree. you can email gb views at eeurwsuk— you can email gb views at gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as men— gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as men ur— gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as men er ee— gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as well at gb news.— gbnews.uk. you can tweet us as well at gb news. now, joining me in well at gb news. now, joining me m me— well at gb news. now, joining me m me eruure— well at gb news. now, joining me in the studio and— well at gb news. now, joining me in the studio and throughout the emery— in the studio and throughout the emery ueruuuy— in the studio and throughout the emery ueruuuy ,— in the studio and throughout the show, actually , tonight's panel show, actually, tonight's panel are show, actually, tonight's panel perimet— show, actually, tonight's panel are political commentator reem rmumm — are political commentator reem rmumm mu— are political commentator reem ibrahim and broadcaster and lawyer— ibrahim and broadcaster and lawyer andrew— ibrahim and broadcaster and lawyer andrew eborn. but joining me re— lawyer andrew eborn. but joining me re ueruuuy— lawyer andrew eborn. but joining me to actually discuss what i've

tum— me to actually discuss what i've tuer eure— me to actually discuss what i've tuer euru mere— me to actually discuss what i've just said there is— me to actually discuss what i've just said there is benjamin eurreruerm. — just said there is benjamin butterworth. first of all, now , butterworth. first of all, now, rem-amm— butterworth. first of all, now, eemtumrm r— butterworth. first of all, now, benjamin, i dare— butterworth. first of all, now, benjamin, i dare say you are chomping— benjamin, i dare say you are emempmg ur— benjamin, i dare say you are chomping at the— benjamin, i dare say you are chomping at the bit to tell me mur— chomping at the bit to tell me mar r— chomping at the bit to tell me mar r em— chomping at the bit to tell me that i am totally,— chomping at the bit to tell me that i am totally, completely mu— that i am totally, completely mu urrerry— that i am totally, completely and utterly wrong . and actually and utterly wrong. and actually the and utterly wrong. and actually me euc— and utterly wrong. and actually me see re— and utterly wrong. and actually the bbc is the— and utterly wrong. and actually the bbc is the best thing since emcee— the bbc is the best thing since sliced bread.— the bbc is the best thing since sliced bread. well— the bbc is the best thing since sliced bread. well i mean, you are sliced bread. well i mean, you eemprerery— sliced bread. well i mean, you are completely wrong. o” rt.r:i:r. are completely wrong. of course, you oorreorry— are completely wrong. of course, you correctly predicted that that's got that's the only thing you got correct. you know, correct. i think, you know, i mean , look, i think elon musk mean, look, i think elon musk believes all, to be honest. believes in all, to be honest. he believes in being a billionaire and powerful he believes in being a billi toying and powerful he believes in being a billi toying with powerful he believes in being a billi toying with the powerful he believes in being a billi toying with the rest nerful he believes in being a billi toying with the rest of �*ful he believes in being a billi toying with the rest of the and toying with the rest of the media. that's why he enjoyed so much bbc interview and much the bbc interview and i think actually, you kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat k actually, you kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat leastially, you kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat least felt, you kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat least felt sorry kind of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat least felt sorry ford of feel much the bbc interview and i tiat least felt sorry for james al i at least felt sorry for james clayton, reporter, because clayton, the reporter, because as it, he had 30 as i understand it, he had 30 minutes notice from the request to speak with elon musk to getting that getting the interview. so that slightly lack of slightly explains his lack of preparation. well, the bbc put in preparation. well, the bbc put m-reoueeu— preparation. well, the bbc put in-request,-right?l in the request, though, right? vou— in the request, though, right? you—mor- in the request, though, right? you _that they. in the request, though, right?- you _that they would you would think that they would do you would think that they would uo-momeuork— you would think that they would do homework putting do their homework before putting in i do their homework before putting m—r meom- in the request. well, i mean, i eon-r— in the request. well, i mean, i eon-r mmk— in the request. well, i mean, i don't think anyone expected him to don't think anyone expected him ro soy— don't think anyone expected him ro say yes— don't think anyone expected him ro eoy yes-atone— don't think anyone expected him to say yes,.alone to- don't think anyone expected him to say yes, alone to say yes to say yes, let alone to say yes in to say yes, let alone to say yes to mom— to say yes, let alone to say yes to mu m— to say yes, let alone to say yes in half an -time.- to say yes, let alone to say yes in half an-time. - to say yes, let alone to say yes in half an-time. but. to say yes, let alone to say yes in half an time. in half an hour's time. but the trum— in half an hour's time. but the truth ro— in half an hour's time. but the truth to mm— in half an hour's time. but the truth is that speech has truth is that hate speech has clearly gone up twitter. and clearly gone up on twitter. and in is not being seen in a way that is not being seen in a way that is not being seen in other platforms. so there was

a study done recently by the centre digital centre for countering digital hate number of hate that found the number of hate crime tweets against black people had doubled from him taking had gone up by a taking over. it had gone up by a third for homophobic tweets from him over . and third for homophobic tweets from him over. and you have him taking over. and you have accounts like that of andrew tate and donald trump, which frankly , i think former frankly, i think the former owner, jack , as he was known at owner, jack, as he was known at jack, was right to remove those accounts because all they do is stir hatred in the real world. so one woman, though, from back in so one woman, though, from back to me— so one woman, though, from back to me ore— so one woman, though, from back to me our toye— so one woman, though, from back in the old days of— so one woman, though, from back in the old days of twitter that you— in the old days of twitter that you mentioned— in the old days of twitter that you mentioned when mr. jack was the you mentioned when mr. jack was me cro— you mentioned when mr. jack was the ceo,lwoman_ you mentioned when mr. jack was the ceo, woman was kicked off the ceo, a woman was kicked off the ceo, a woman was kicked off me pram,— the ceo, a woman was kicked off the platform, suspended for eoyme— the platform, suspended for eoyme-orem-r— the platform, suspended for saying aren't women . the platform, suspended for- saying-aren't women . well, i saying men aren't women. well, i r— saying men aren't women. well, i r eon-r— saying men aren't women. well, i mean, i don't know— saying men aren't women. well, i mean, i don't know exactly what was said on that. that's it. well, i look, if they were well, i mean, look, if they were trying target transgender trying to target transgender people also using people who are also using twitter, also using social media, afraid i think media, then i'm afraid i think thatis media, then i'm afraid i think that is hate speech because the truth is that when one person says that tries to says something that tries to dismantle another person's very existence , then that's where i existence, then that's where i think the law should step in. but look, if you think elon musk is a great bastion of free

is such a great bastion of free speech, well, why did he remove cnn washington new cnn, washington post and new york journalists just for york times journalists just for tweeting how many short tweeting about how many short trips he takes in a private jet, putting his money where his mouth free speech, didn't he, by buying twitter? it was quite eovmere— buying twitter? it was quite expensive. reem _ g wr:i;t7 it was quite expensive. reem ibrahim, i want to expensive. reem ibrahim, i want ro-you— expensive. reem ibrahim, i want ro-youloo— expensive. reem ibrahim, i want to-you.do-think. to bring you in. do you think women should— to bring you in. do you think women should kicked off of women should be kicked off of more— women should be kicked off of twitter-tweeting— women should be kicked off of twitter tweeting men twitter for tweeting that men oer-r— twitter for tweeting that men- aren't_ absolutely aren't women? well, absolutely not. we're not. but i think we're conflating a few things here. benjamin, you mentioned the law eoyme— benjamin, you mentioned the law eoyme-emouru— benjamin, you mentioned the law saying-should step- benjamin, you mentioned the law saying should step in, saying the law should step in, but saying the law should step in, our-me— saying the law should step in, but-the-this- saying the law should step in, but-the-this is| but this isn't the law. this is a but this isn't the law. this is o-eomoomy- but this isn't the law. this is a company, twitter, that but this isn't the law. this is a steppingympany, twitter, that but this isn't the law. this is a stepping inpany, twitter, that but this isn't the law. this is a stepping in and, twitter, that but this isn't the law. this is a stepping in and deciding that is stepping in and deciding «marry,— is stepping in and deciding actually, elon— is stepping in and deciding actually, elon musk now actually, elon musk is now ueome— actually, elon musk is now become-head- actually, elon musk is now become-head of- actually, elon musk is now become head of the of become the head of the of router.— become the head of the of twitter.-taken- become the head of the of twitter.-taken it- become the head of the of twitter. taken it over. twitter. he's taken it over. me— twitter. he's taken it over. me o— twitter. he's taken it over. it's a private— twitter. he's taken it over.| it's a private-and twitter. he's taken it over.- it's a private-and he's it's a private company and he's umbre— it's a private company and he's unable-decide— it's a private company and he's unable . decide the - it's a private company and he's unable decide the free speech unable to decide the free speech rowe— unable to decide the free speech laws effectively— unable to decide the free speech laws effectively on _ unable to decide the free speech laws effectively on that prorrorm. — laws effectively on that platform. so - laws effectively on that platform. so if he was actually to platform. so if he was actually ro teats,— platform. so if he was actually ro teats, you— platform. so if he was actually to decide, you know what, i want to decide, you know what, i want to _ restrictive - to completely restrictive prurrorm— to completely restrictive prorrorm ,— to completely restrictive prorrorm , r— to completely restrictive platform , i want to see all of platform, i want to see all of me— platform, i want to see all of the transphobes,_ platform, i want to see all of the transphobes, the homophobes off or— the transphobes, the homophobes off of mm— the transphobes, the homophobes off of this platform completely , eomprerery— off of this platform completely , completely censored. that's eomprerery— , completely censored. that's comprerery up— , completely censored. that's completely up to— , completely censored. that's completely up to him because it's completely up to him because me me— completely up to him because it's his company— completely up to him because it's his company ._ completely up to him because it's his company. however, it rem-r.— it's his company. however, it reu-r. r— it's his company. however, it reu-r. r murk— it's his company. however, it isn't. i think need to be isn't. i think we need to be very— isn't. i think we need to be very clear— isn't. i think we need to be very clear about— isn't. i think we need to be very clear about whether is very clear about whether this is the very clear about whether this is me rou— very clear about whether this is the law versus— very clear about whether this is the law versus a— very clear about whether this is the law versus a private company.— the law versus a private company. okay andrew, very

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" will simple. we live in a very diseased information space at the moment and all generalisations are false, including this one. so the reality is that— including this one. so the reality is that more- rt....r: g so the reality is that more people who come onto the— reality is that more people who come onto the platform, the more likely— come onto the platform, the more ukery you-re— come onto the platform, the more ukery youre going— come onto the platform, the more likely you're going to have hate speech.— likely you're going to have hate epeeem amu— likely you're going to have hate speech. and the— likely you're going to have hate speech. and the problem with me— speech. and the problem with me re— speech. and the problem with this is there's— speech. and the problem with this is there's no— speech. and the problem with this is there's no standard uermrrrom— this is there's no standard definition what speech definition of what hate speech is. definition of what hate speech re—me— definition of what hate speech is._the united- is. you look at the united motore— is. you look at the united nations, they— is. you look at the united nations, they talk about discrimination derogatory discrimination or derogatory romeo— discrimination or derogatory based-religion- discrimination or derogatory based religion or so based on sex or religion or so on based on sex or religion or so or me— based on sex or religion or so or me eo— based on sex or religion or so or me so form.— based on sex or religion or so on and so forth. the bbc in merr— on and so forth. the bbc in their defence,— on and so forth. the bbc in their defence, and it's rmoorrom— their defence, and it's important that we have a baromet— important that we have a. balanced—because balanced discussion because mermer— balanced discussion because neither completely neither side is completely rrem. — neither side is completely- rrem. —erorm right. it's wrong for elon claim mere-e— right. it's wrong for elon claim there's-speech. - right. it's wrong for elon claim there's-speech. of- there's no hate speech. of eoureere- — there's no hate speech. of course-is. and- there's no hate speech. of course is. and it's wrong course there is. and it's wrong for me— course there is. and it's wrong for me euc— course there is. and it's wrong for the bbc to— course there is. and it's wrong for the bbc to say— course there is. and it's wrong for the bbc to say without evidence — for the bbc to say without evidence - it's - for the bbc to say without evidence it's increased . evidence that it's increased. they— evidence that it's increased. mey uro— evidence that it's increased. they did provide the evidence erreruorue. — they did provide the evidence afterwards. - right- they did provide the evidence afterwards. right to afterwards. you're right to room— afterwards. you're right to room our— afterwards. you're right to point out that— afterwards. you're right to point out that it lazy, if point out that it was lazy, if you— point out that it was lazy, if you-mor— point out that it was lazy, if you-nor ro— point out that it was lazy, if you-nor o 90- point out that it was lazy, if you-not to go in- point out that it was lazy, if you not to go in with hard you like, not to go in with hard mere— you like, not to go in with hard roere-rreuree— you like, not to go in with hard facts-figures, but- you like, not to go in with hard facts figures, but on their facts and figures, but on their ueuerre— facts and figures, but on their website-talk— facts and figures, but on their website -talk-it.. facts and figures, but on their. website -talk-it. they website they talk about it. they gue— website they talk about it. they grye eoumpree— website they talk about it. they give examples of— website they talk about it. they give examples of who've give examples of people who've teem— give examples of people who've teem-book— give examples of people who've teem-book ou- give examples of people who've been -back on the - been allowed back on the pram,— been allowed back on the. platform, _ extreme platform, who've got extreme _forl views. so andrew anglin, for example,— views. so andrew anglin, for example—or- views. so andrew anglin, for example,_of thej example, the founder of the duty— example, the founder of the daily -website- example, the founder of the. daily -websitelyou've daily stormer website, you've emo— daily stormer website, you've also-comm- daily stormer website, you've also-crokin, one- daily stormer website, you've also crokin, one of the also got liz crokin, one of the meteor— also got liz crokin, one of the biggest propaganda of qanon eomeprroey— biggest propaganda of qanon conspiracy theory. they also conspiracy theory. and they also quore— conspiracy theory. and they also quore-rueere. — conspiracy theory. and they also quote -tweets. i- conspiracy theory. and they also quote tweets. i won't quote those tweets. i won't reoeor— quote those tweets. i won't repeur mem— quote those tweets. i won't repeat them because legal

issues, are there. repeat them because legal- issues,-are there. and issues, but they are there. and mere-e— issues, but they are there. and mere-e-r— issues, but they are there. and there's-i don't- issues, but they are there. and there's i don't know. there's also the i don't know. i won-r— there's also the i don't know. i wore-r eur— there's also the i don't know. i wore-r our our— there's also the i don't know. i won't. but but but— there's also the i don't know. i won't. but but but that's the rooms— won't. but but but that's the point ten-r— won't. but but but that's the point, isn't it?— won't. but but but that's the point, isn't it? okay. they needed— point, isn't it? okay. they needed the _ point, isn't it? okay. they needed the evidence and don't let needed the evidence and don't rer me— needed the evidence and don't rer me rrum— needed the evidence and don't let the truth stand in the way of let the truth stand in the way or e— let the truth stand in the way or u gooe— let the truth stand in the way or u good erory— let the truth stand in the way of a good story is— let the truth stand in the way of a good story is the important oomr. — of a good story is the important oomr. r— of a good story is the important pomr. r mem— of a good story is the important point. i mean,ldare- of a good story is the important point. " rzritrzi; of a good story is the important point. i mean, i dare say it's the definition, isn't it's the definition, isn't it? it's the definition, isn't it? it's the definition, isn't it? it's the definition speech the definition of hate speech that the problem here. that that is the problem here. but thank you, benjamin butterworth. to butterworth. he's going to be back on later on. i'll be battling it out on the saturday night to come, night five. now, still to come, a debate on ulez. but a feisty debate on ulez. but first, monzo bank staff first, why did monzo bank staff call customer a horrible terf? call a customer a horrible terf? don't go anywhere .

welcome back to neil oliver live with me , darren grimes now in with me, darren grimes now in the last hour, we've seen the 175th grand national . that's, of 175th grand national. that's, of course, the historic horse race at aintree . now with crack at aintree. now with crack rambler ridden by derek fox winning this year's race. but as

even winning this year's race. but as ever, this race has divided opinion. no less than in this very studio. not only was the start of the final and the main grand national race delayed after a number of animal rights protesters made their way onto the track. nine people have actually been arrested . now actually been arrested. now that's merseyside police confirming that. so it actually begs the question is racing a cruel sport sport now? andrew animal racing's actually say that several horses fell during the grand national today, which is, you know what they're protests had actually been trying to stop. where do you stand on this? should we just say, look, this belongs to a bygone era, we need to be kinder to animals, etcetera? et cetera. i think. i to animals, etcetera? et cetera. ithink. i mean, any to animals, etcetera? et cetera. i think. i mean, any death in any— i think. i mean, any death in my mom— i think. i mean, any death in my eporr re— i think. i mean, any death in any sport is absolutely tragic. amu— any sport is absolutely tragic. ame r— any sport is absolutely tragic. ame r woe— any sport is absolutely tragic. and i was heavily involved in rormuro— and i was heavily involved in rormuro eme— and i was heavily involved in formula one in— and i was heavily involved in formula one in the early 80s and 90s,— formula one in the early 80s and 90s,-introduced- formula one in the early 80s and 90s, introduced further 90s, and they introduced further emery— 90s, and they introduced further safety measures— 90s, and they introduced further safety measures to— 90s, and they introduced further safety measures to ensure that mey— safety measures to ensure that mey preserved— safety measures to ensure that they preserved on— safety measures to ensure that they preserved on that sort of mere— they preserved on that sort of basis-sensible- they preserved on that sort of basis sensible people basis that the sensible people ome— basis that the sensible people ome-soy,— basis that the sensible people omu-eoy rere— basis that the sensible people and say, let's more and as i say, let's shed more trem— and as i say, let's shed more mom-reor— and as i say, let's shed more mom-meor om-

and as i say, let's shed more light-heat on the- and as i say, let's shed more light heat on the subject light than heat on the subject morrer— light than heat on the subject morrer re— light than heat on the subject matter is absolutely look at ways— matter is absolutely look at wayslmake_ matter is absolutely look at wayslmake tr— matter is absolutely look at ways make it safer . matter is absolutely look at ways make it safer. i did put ways to make it safer. i did put a ways to make it safer. i did put o oer— ways to make it safer. i did put u be or— ways to make it safer. i did put a bet on somebody glueing themselves— a bet on somebody glueing themselves to— a bet on somebody glueing themselves to the jump and won themselves to the jump and i won on themselves to the jump and i won ore—me- on that one. but but the prmemre— on that one. but but the principle exactly that. let's principle is exactly that. let's rook—dour- principle is exactly that. let's look—don't any. principle is exactly that. let's. look—don't any death look at ways we don't any death is look at ways we don't any death re-roo— look at ways we don't any death re-roo merry.— look at ways we don't any death re-roo many. so— look at ways we don't any death is too many. so let's look is one too many. so let's look at is one too many. so let's look or uoye— is one too many. so let's look or uoye mor— is one too many. so let's look at ways that we _ is one too many. so let's look at ways that we can make it eoerr. — at ways that we can make it eoerr. eur— at ways that we can make it safer. but it's— at ways that we can make it safer. but it's a— at ways that we can make it safer. but it's a glorious stom— safer. but it's a glorious eporr. me— safer. but it's a glorious sport. the people enjoy it and soland— sport. the people enjoy it and so.and.forth._ sport. the people enjoy it and so and forth. there's so on and so forth. there's a ueoore— so on and so forth. there's a debate-getting- so on and so forth. there's a debate getting rid of the debate about getting rid of the rumm— debate about getting rid of the whips-and- debate about getting rid of the meme-ome eo- debate about getting rid of the whips and so forth, whips and so on and so forth, rumou— whips and so on and so forth, rumor-em— whips and so on and so forth, which can encourage the which you can encourage the morse— which you can encourage the moree—ouyuoy. i which you can encourage the horse _ anyway. so j horse to carry on anyway. so make— horse to carry on anyway. so makelsafer- — horse to carry on anyway. so make . safer. the - horse to carry on anyway. so make safer. the horses do get make it safer. the horses do get moreumry— make it safer. the horses do get incredibly well— make it safer. the horses do get incredibly well looked after. generally,— incredibly well looked after. generally, talking about generally, we were talking about mem — generally, we were talking about mem -pomoereu- generally, we were talking about them -pampered in- generally, we were talking about them pampered in that them being pampered in ways that moor—tempered.- them being pampered in ways thati most—pampered. so most humans are not pampered. so it's most humans are not pampered. so rue-oe— most humans are not pampered. so rue-roe rem.— most humans are not pampered. so it's-be right. let's- most humans are not pampered. so it's be right. let's look it's got to be right. let's look at it's got to be right. let's look or mayo,— it's got to be right. let's look or ways-rere— it's got to be right. let's look at ways, -let's look- it's got to be right. let's look at ways, let's look at at ways, but let's look at proerreor— at ways, but let's look at practical ways- at ways, but let's look at practical ways to make the sport eoerr. — practical ways to make the sport eoerr. reem — practical ways to make the sport safer. reem i'll— practical ways to make the sport safer. reem i'll tell— practical ways to make the sport safer. t .. safer. reem i'll tell you what i am. i'm sick and i'm sick the am. i'm sick and i'm sick of the likes of animal rebellion or whatever they're called themselves these days. obviously, themselves these days. obl offshoots from themselves these days. obloffshoots from extinction all offshoots from extinction rebellion and it's a brand rebellion, and it's all a brand of wing politics, right? of left wing politics, right? that to actually, in my that wants to actually, in my view, immiserate great britain until we i don't know, crawling around, caves in a loin cloth, you know. so where do you stand on this? no, i totally agree. i

think actually, you know,- think actually, you know, these meee— think actually, you know, these meee torre— think actually, you know, these meee pure or— think actually, you know, these these parts of our— think actually, you know, these these parts of our british rrourrrom— these parts of our british tradition, the— these parts of our british tradition, the grand national is a-part_ tradition, the grand national is o-porr or— tradition, the grand national is o-porr or our— tradition, the grand national is a part of our british a huge part of our british rrourrrou— a huge part of our british rrourrrom .— a huge part of our british tradition . the— a huge part of our british tradition . the first run was in tradition. the first run was in rose.— tradition. the first run was in rose. r— tradition. the first run was in rose. r mmk— tradition. the first run was in 1839. i think it's— tradition. the first run was in 1839. i think it's hugely rmporrom— 1839. i think it's hugely important that we preserve these torre— important that we preserve these pure or— important that we preserve these porre of outer— important that we preserve these parts of british tradition. mey-re — parts of british tradition. rmey-re o— parts of british tradition. they're a huge part of our our outrure. — they're a huge part of our our culture. when— they're a huge part of our our culture. when we— they're a huge part of our our culture. when we all come roeemer— culture. when we all come together-we're- culture. when we all come together we're to culture. when we all come- together-we're -to watch together and we're able to watch the together and we're able to watch rue-r— together and we're able to watch rue-r mmk— together and we're able to watch the-i think it's— together and we're able to watch the-i think it's just- the races, i think it's just rumoure— the races, i think it's just fantastic-ablel the races, i think it's just. fantastic-able to fantastic that we're able to preserve— fantastic that we're able to preserve these— fantastic that we're able to preserve these things. and youe— preserve these things. and youre mam.— preserve these things. and you're right. mean, there is you're right. i mean, there is me— you're right. i mean, there is rum-or— you're right. i mean, there is this-of branch- you're right. i mean, there is this of branch left wing this sort of branch of left wing routes— this sort of branch of left wing politics-tends— this sort of branch of left wing politics-tends to- this sort of branch of left wing politics tends to be politics that tends to be tumourorry— politics that tends to be particularly where politics that tends to be - particularly -where they particularly militant where they are particularly militant where they oremeom— oul are militant, too. i mean, all mmee— are militant, too. i mean, all things british,— are militant, too. i mean, all things british, things things british, all things mumm— things british, all things british _ also i things british, all things- british_also they british culture, but also they tuer— british culture, but also they just-of— british culture, but also they tuer-or wom— british culture, but also they just of want everyone to be just kind of want everyone to be incredibly— just kind of want everyone to be incredibly miserable. saw incredibly miserable. we saw me— incredibly miserable. we saw rum-eom— incredibly miserable. we saw rme-eorr or- incredibly miserable. we saw this sort of potential this with the sort of potential protest— this with the sort of potential moreer-me — this with the sort of potential protest the coronation protest with the coronation that coming— protest with the coronation that comma-mem— protest with the coronation that coming mean, people coming up. i mean, these people , coming up. i mean, these people mm— coming up. i mean, these people mm eom— coming up. i mean, these people mm eorr or— coming up. i mean, these people , this sort of particularly mrurom— , this sort of particularly militant-left. , this sort of particularly. militant-left wing militant branch of left wing routes— militant branch of left wing pourree—rol militant branch of left wing. politics,_to want politics, they just tend to want to politics, they just tend to want ro be — politics, they just tend to want to be miserable— politics, they just tend to want to be miserable and want to ruin everymme— to be miserable and want to ruin everymme-roke— to be miserable and want to ruin everything take good everything and take all good mmee— everything and take all goodi mmee—eoou things away from us. all good mumm— things away from us. all good british things. _ things away from us. all good british things. absolutely. but you-mere— british things. absolutely. but you-more ro— british things. absolutely. but you-have to have- british things. absolutely. but you-have to have a- british things. absolutely. but you have to have a balance, you do have to have a balance, though. there are some though. and there are some points can made safer, points if it can be made safer, make it safer. i think it's wrong dismiss everything on wrong to dismiss everything on political say, let's political grounds and say, let's shed light and less heat. shed more light and less heat. absolutely but already absolutely but they've already been— absolutely but they've already

been romeo.— absolutely but they've already been raised.ijust_ ' dig but they've already been raised. just want read been raised. i just want to read our— been raised. i just want to read our-from — been raised. i just want to read out-from -british- been raised. i just want to read out from british racing out this from the british racing aumorrry.— out this from the british racing authority. - said - authority. they've said in a eroremem— authority. they've said in a statement earlier authority. they've said in a. statement-earlier this statement released earlier this week— statement released earlier this week-mere— statement released earlier this week-there have- statement released earlier this week there have huge week that there have been huge rmproyememe— week that there have been huge improvements years at improvements in recent years at armree— improvements in recent years at aintree racecourse _ improvements in recent years at aintree racecourse to improve the aintree racecourse to improve rue-or— aintree racecourse to improve the-of horses- aintree racecourse to improve the-of horses race- aintree racecourse to improve the of horses race in the welfare of horses race in merr— the welfare of horses race in merr cmoee— the welfare of horses race in their chase is— the welfare of horses race in their chase is introduced since zom— their chase is introduced since 2012. include _ their chase is introduced since 2012. include adapting the and rebuilding— 2012. include adapting the and rebuilding the— 2012. include adapting the and rebuilding the fences, facilities— rebuilding the fences, facilities and stables from the very— facilities and stables from the very omer— facilities and stables from the very moer o— facilities and stables from the very moment a horse arrives . the very moment a horse arrives. the moor— very moment a horse arrives. the moer rmoorrom— very moment a horse arrives. the most important thing to the racecourse course is its safety mu— racecourse course is its safety mu venere— racecourse course is its safety mu vemore .— racecourse course is its safety and welfare . now— racecourse course is its safety and welfare . now we'll end it and welfare. now we'll end it mere,— and welfare. now we'll end it mere, our— and welfare. now we'll end it mere, our r— and welfare. now we'll end it there, but i mean, i must say rsoooo— there, but i mean, i must say rsoooo people— there, but i mean, i must say 150,000 people attended millions voremme— 150,000 people attended millions voremme tr— 150,000 people attended millions voremme rr om— 150,000 people attended millions watching it on telly. i think it would— watching it on telly. i think it would be— watching it on telly. i think it would be e— watching it on telly. i think it would be a crying shame oebuoby— would be a crying shame oeruouy, b— would be a crying shame actually, if they get their way in. actually, if they get their way be more— actually, if they get their way be more b— actually, if they get their way in. that's it for— actually, if they get their way in. that's it for that . now a in. that's it for that. now a bee— in. that's it for that. now a man has been— in. that's it for that. now a man has been labelled a horrible rum— man has been labelled a horrible but bov— man has been labelled a horrible but you o— man has been labelled a horrible turf. now a turf— man has been labelled a horrible turf. now a turf for— man has been labelled a horrible turf. now a turf for those who eon-r— turf. now a turf for those who eon-r mov— turf. now a turf for those who eon-r mov b— turf. now a turf for those who don't know is a— turf. now a turf for those who don't know is a trans exclusive , vbbouory— don't know is a trans exclusive , visionary, radical— don't know is a trans exclusive , visionary, radical feminist beer.— , visionary, radical feminist beer. r— , visionary, radical feminist best. i think— , visionary, radical feminist best. i think we've all been cured— best. i think we've all been called that— best. i think we've all been called that these days by employees— called that these days by employees .— called that these days by employees . this is by employees employees. this is by employees at employees. this is by employees or o— employees. this is by employees or u bomb— employees. this is by employees or u bomb .— employees. this is by employees at a bank . after— employees. this is by employees at a bank . after he— employees. this is by employees at a bank . after he criticised at a bank. after he criticised mm— at a bank. after he criticised rme bomb-e— at a bank. after he criticised this bank's transgender boberee— this bank's transgender policies, the- this bank's transgender policies, the bank in question

is policies, the bank in question to monzo— policies, the bank in question is monzo bank— policies, the bank in question is monzo bank and monzo bank's boberee— is monzo bank and monzo bank's policies include— is monzo bank and monzo bank's policies include checking not oeeumme— policies include checking not assuming pronouns means gender ueurrob— assuming pronouns means gender meurrob robber— assuming pronouns means gender neutral toilet facilities and described— neutral toilet facilities and describing maternity leave as brrmory— describing maternity leave as primary caregiver leave . now, primary caregiver leave. now, mm— primary caregiver leave. now, mm mm— primary caregiver leave. now, be boo— primary caregiver leave. now, this man has been mocked by brom— this man has been mocked by staff online— this man has been mocked by staff online ,_ this man has been mocked by staff online , which came to staff online, which came to mom— staff online, which came to mom emer— staff online, which came to light after he— staff online, which came to light after he made a freedom of rmormorrom— light after he made a freedom of information request ream has mm— information request ream has mm mm— information request ream has rme beer— information request ream has this man been shamefully by this bombe— this man been shamefully by this bombe r— this man been shamefully by this bombe r meom— this man been shamefully by this bank? i mean, it— this man been shamefully by this bank? i mean, it doesn't strike me— bank? i mean, it doesn't strike me as a very good— bank? i mean, it doesn't strike me as a very good way to go obour— me as a very good way to go obour eerrme— me as a very good way to go about getting custom because a lot about getting custom because a or or— about getting custom because a or or people— about getting custom because a lot of people happen to believe in lot of people happen to believe to biological— lot of people happen to believe in biological sex. _ lot of people happen to believe in biological sex. . r: in biological sex. it is. and i umb— in biological sex. it is. and i don't necessarily have a problem with it with these employees having these opinions or actually for this for this private company, to have private company, monzo, to have these i think they're these policies. i think they're ridiculous. i think that i ridiculous. and i think that i mean, the primary caregiver one is offensive , is probably the most offensive, you know, entirely erasing the fact the majority fact that women are the majority that are primary caregivers. that are the primary caregivers. of , men are as well. but of course, men are as well. but when talking about when we're talking about maternity and maternity maternity leave and maternity care that is very specific to women, we give birth and only

women, we give birth and only women can give birth. so i think it's very important that we are clear about but again, clear about that. but again, look, this is private look, i mean, this is a private company and personally won't company and i personally won't be with monzo. will you be banking with monzo. will you be banking with monzo. will you be banking with monzo. will you be banking with— be banking with monzo. will you be banking with monzo- be banking with monzo. will you be banking with monzo ? - g will you be banking with monzo ? be banking with monzo? what's mreresrme— be banking with monzo? what's mreresrme b— be banking with monzo? what's interesting is the language, isn't because get isn't it? because you get a horrible opposed to a horrible turf as opposed to a nice i mean, what's that nice one? i mean, what's that about principle is exactly about the principle is exactly this. comes should come out this. it comes should come out of out of respect and working out a balance being sensitive balance and being sensitive about here at gb about a conversation here at gb news, we have gender neutral toilets, heaven's sake. so toilets, for heaven's sake. so we that of thing. we look at that sort of thing. not not by design, not deliberately, not by design, not not deliberately, not by design, morlueerem — not deliberately, not by design,i not-design. -economic not by design. maybe economic reasons, but the principle is that we think respect that we do. i think respect works you're works both ways. and you're right, turn right, absolutely. to turn around the primary birth around and say the primary birth giver rather like talking giver is rather like talking about chest feeding as opposed to breastfeeding so on and to breastfeeding and so on and so respect so forth. you need to respect all people the conversation all people in the conversation and out why that. and work out why there is that. because started the whole because what started the whole thing woke originally thing about woke woke originally was a positive thing. it means you're conscious. not you're awake and conscious. not anymore. the problem. you're awake and conscious. not any become the problem. you're awake and conscious. not any become a the problem. you're awake and conscious. not any become a derogatory)roblem. you're awake and conscious. not any become a derogatory term. . it's become a derogatory term. well, i don't think it's well, i don't thinkit's because well, i don't think it's because it's well, i don't think it's because rr-e-ueroeorory- well, i don't think it's because it's-derogatory i it's become a derogatory term. i rumb— it's become a derogatory term. i think-because— it's become a derogatory term. i think because everything think it's because everything oeeoeroreu— think it's because everything associated-in- think it's because everything. associated-in-view, associated with it, in my view,

is associated with it, in my view, re-eemeorebb.- associated with it, in my view, is-censorship. it's- is actually censorship. it's beoe— is actually censorship. it's become extreme, become become too extreme, become too ereme— become too extreme, become too evrremelrbor— become too extreme, become too extreme that debate. well extreme on that and debate. well is extreme on that and debate. well re-bomeer— extreme on that and debate. well is-longer about- extreme on that and debate. well is longer about freedom is this no longer about freedom omb— is this no longer about freedom and—beingl and it's no longer about being evoke— and it's no longer about being evoke-beme— and it's no longer about being awake-being sort- awake or being sort of understanding world awake or being sort of- understanding-world around understanding the world around us, understanding the world around bur— understanding the world around us, but actually— understanding the world around us, but actually being a eombbere— us, but actually being a complete sheep towards this us, but actually being a com of ete sheep towards this us, but actually being a com of incredibly owards this us, but actually being a com of incredibly militant this sort of incredibly militant remor— sort of incredibly militant leftist hijacking the language. and leftist hijacking the language. rmu morb— leftist hijacking the language. and that's the— leftist hijacking the language. and that's the problem.- leftist hijacking the language. and that's the problem. if- leftist hijacking the language. and that's the problem. if you huack and that's the problem. if you hijack the language what hijack the language from what should thing about should be a positive thing about inclusiveness should be positive. around and positive. you turn around and respect the respect everybody in the conversation . it's got be conversation. it's got to be much better. well, yeah, as long as much better. well, yeah, as long oe-reebeer— much better. well, yeah, as long as - respect -free - much better. well, yeah, as long as-respect-free speech. as they respect our free speech fighter— as they respect our free speech meme-ou— as they respect our free speech meme-ob r— as they respect our free speech rights, - all i. say. - rights, that's all i can say. bov— rights, that's all i can say. nov nov— rights, that's all i can say. now now this— rights, that's all i can say. now now this is a good one. amer— now now this is a good one. amer o— now now this is a good one. after a woman— now now this is a good one. after a woman found a seal in ber— after a woman found a seal in be bororo— after a woman found a seal in be bororo beer— after a woman found a seal in her potato peel whilst preparing robber— her potato peel whilst preparing beerer surrey— her potato peel whilst preparing easter sunday lunch, people have erorreu— easter sunday lunch, people have eromeu eborme— easter sunday lunch, people have started sharing their own spud ommob— started sharing their own spud animals from _ started sharing their own spud animals from couch potato sloths to animals from couch potato sloths ro yom — animals from couch potato sloths to yam walruses_ animals from couch potato sloths to yam walruses ._ animals from couch potato sloths to yam walruses . as i want to to yam walruses. as i want to beve— to yam walruses. as i want to bove you— to yam walruses. as i want to have you ever— to yam walruses. as i want to have you ever encountered a cloned— have you ever encountered a cloned creature— have you ever encountered a cloned creature in your kitchen? seme— cloned creature in your kitchen? semu m— cloned creature in your kitchen? send in vaiews@gbnews.uk. but andrew,— send in vaiews@gbnews.uk. but amurev, beve— send in vaiews@gbnews.uk. but andrew, have you— send in vaiews@gbnews.uk. but andrew, have you ever found a seru— andrew, have you ever found a stub lurking— andrew, have you ever found a seal lurking in— andrew, have you ever found a seal lurking in your. . seal lurking in your. i love it. aru— seal lurking in your. i love it. mu mere-s— seal lurking in your. i love it. and there's great stories about it's called pareidolia is what

it's called pareidolia is what it is. so there's a wonderful name for it where human nature goes back to the caves and about preservation. it's finding faces in places that you wouldn't normally and they think normally see it. and they think of for two reasons. they of it for two reasons. they think basically think about basically children because to get in because they need it to get in that sort of instinct, but also to preserve yourself for safety. so saw something which so if you saw something in which looked tiger, a sabre looked like a tiger, a sabre tooth we've got the seal. tooth tiger, we've got the seal. the seal , fantastic in image the seal, fantastic in image mere.— the seal, fantastic in image mere. amu— the seal, fantastic in image there. and it— the seal, fantastic in image there. and it does actually look it.— there. and it does actually look like ro— there. and it does actually look like ro be— there. and it does actually look like to be like _ there. and it does actually look like to be like because you can me— like to be like because you can rbe bee.— like to be like because you can see the face. i— like to be like because you can see the face. i love— like to be like because you can see the face. i love it because i see the face. i love it because r oeruoby— see the face. i love it because i actually often— see the face. i love it because i actually often think whenever someone says, oh,— i actually often think whenever someone says, oh, look up at the sky,— someone says, oh, look up at the eky you— someone says, oh, look up at the sky you eom— someone says, oh, look up at the sky you eee— someone says, oh, look up at the sky you r— someone says, oh, look up at the sky, you can see i don't know me— sky, you can see i don't know me rmoee— sky, you can see i don't know me made or— sky, you can see i don't know the image of christ, or you can see-never see it.- the image of christ, or you can see-never see it. i- the image of christ, or you can see never see it. i always see i'd never see it. i always rumb— see i'd never see it. i always rbmb mor— see i'd never see it. i always think that-yes- see i'd never see it. i always think that-yes i- see i'd never see it. i always think that yes i can never think that one. yes i can never oeruouy— think that one. yes i can never oeruouy-rr— think that one. yes i can never actually-it myself.- think that one. yes i can never actually it myself. maybe actually see it myself. maybe r-m —bur— actually see it myself. maybe i'm _but secondly,| i'm just blind. but secondly, r-m — i'm just blind. but secondly, r-m -are_ i'm just blind. but secondly, m [be you— i'm just blind. but secondly, i'm are you insane ? like, i'm like, are you insane? like, vbor— i'm like, are you insane? like, vbor ore— i'm like, are you insane? like, vbor you— i'm like, are you insane? like, what are you seeing that i'm more — what are you seeing that i'm more web.— what are you seeing that i'm not? well, yeah,- what are you seeing that i'm not? �*fvr�*rzi;.. will?“ “rift" " not? well, yeah, yeah. i mean, with clouds thing is quite with the clouds thing is quite interesting because i do. i quite like up at the sky quite like looking up at the sky and to find different and trying to find different shapes the clouds. shapes in the. in the clouds. but again, if you're looking at it a slightly different angle, but again, if you're looking at it a canhtly different angle, but again, if you're looking at it a canhtly disort nt angle, but again, if you're looking at it a can htly di sort of angle, but again, if you're looking at it a canhtly disort of see .e, but again, if you're looking at it a canhtly disort of see it as you can never sort of see it as the same person. i love this

that see it potatoes and that you see it in potatoes and the spuds because because of the different colouring and the different colouring and the different get to see. different shapes you get to see. and so exciting. i remember and it's so exciting. i remember being a kid like being a kid and just like staring and staring at the walls and patterns wallpaper and trying patterns in wallpaper and trying to find little shapes. and it's a nice a nice a it's a nice it's a nice pastime than looking at your phone the time. it's also phone all the time. it's also a very brorrrobbe— phone all the time. it's also a very profitable i— phone all the time. it's also a very profitable i can- phone all the time. it's also a very profitable i can tell- . it's also a very profitable i can tell you in very profitable i can tell you be 2004,— very profitable i can tell you be 2004, o— very profitable i can tell you in 2004, a cheese sandwich which obboremrby— in 2004, a cheese sandwich which obboremrry-rmoee- in 2004, a cheese sandwich which apparently image the apparently bore the image of the mem— apparently bore the image of the vrrem—r— apparently bore the image of the vrrem—r rbmb- apparently bore the image of the virgin—i think it. virgin mary sold for, i think it 28,000.— virgin mary sold for, i think it was 28,000. well, there go. was 28,000. well, there we go. eer— was 28,000. well, there we go. eer-eer— was 28,000. well, there we go. eer-eer huntingr- was 28,000. well, there we go. get-get hunting, get- get looking, get hunting, get hunting, hunting hunting, people get hunting now. next up, folks, after protest rallies in central london today, i'm to say no i'm asking, is it time to say no to ulez expansion? stay to the ulez expansion? stay poised for feisty debate .

welcome back to neil oliver live with me, darren grimes . now, with me, darren grimes. now, folks, i bet if i said ulez to you a few months ago, you wouldn't have taken much notice and thought, what's this lad from the north east wittering on

about now. but the ulez debate has become so heated it's basically a household name. now, today together association have been holding a rally in trafalgar square to protest west against sadiq khan's plans to extend this ulez zone. now i'm delighted to say this is going to get spicier guarantee that i'm joined by the leader of the climate party, ed gemmell, and the director of car 26, lois perry . now, ed, can the director of car 26, lois perry. now, ed, can i the director of car 26, lois perry . now, ed, can i start with perry. now, ed, can i start with you, please, from the climate party . do you worry about the party. do you worry about the impact of the restrictions or expansion of these measures to on the working class, frankly, of the, you know, the white van man , for example? or is it your man, for example? or is it your view that actually these are good measures because it ensures that the white van man can afford to drive kyiv well, i have to say it's almost yes, yes

to both your questions actually, darren. so, i mean, the first mme— darren. so, i mean, the first rbme re,— darren. so, i mean, the first mum to, re— darren. so, i mean, the first thing is, is look,— darren. so, i mean, the first thing is, is look, it's- l so, i mean, the first thing is, is look, it's great mor— thing is, is look, it's great me were— thing is, is look, it's great that we're trying to work on me— that we're trying to work on me — that we're trying to work on this issue. it's— that we're trying to work on this issue. it's great that rryme— this issue. it's great that we're trying to- this issue. it's great that we're trying to work on, on decarbonisation_ we're trying to work on, on decarbonisation and get cleaner air. decarbonisation and get cleaner mu— decarbonisation and get cleaner muluom-r— decarbonisation and get cleaner air. and don't think any of air. and i don't think any of me— air. and i don't think any of rbe-or— air. and i don't think any of rbe-or ue— air. and i don't think any of the-of us here- air. and i don't think any of the of us here would like the three of us here would like to the three of us here would like ro eee— the three of us here would like to see dirtier_ the three of us here would like to see dirtier air,— the three of us here would like to see dirtier air, getting more people— to see dirtier air, getting more people unhealthy or people being unhealthy or boremrruuy— people being unhealthy or potentially hospitals. people being unhealthy or pthink ally hospitals. people being unhealthy or pthink we hospitals. people being unhealthy or pthink we probably pitals. people being unhealthy or pthink we probably allils. i think we can probably all agree— i think we can probably all agree-nov,- i think we can probably all agree now, having i think we can probably all- agree - now, having said agree on that. now, having said mou— agree on that. now, having said mob—beer- that, it should have been bombed— that, it should have been handled different way. it handled in a different way. it clearly— handled in a different way. it clearly-beer- handled in a different way. it clearly been introduced clearly hasn't been introduced in clearly hasn't been introduced m-voy. — clearly hasn't been introduced in way. communication in the right way. communication beve— in the right way. communication sessions have been bad related to sessions have been bad related ro-vbobe— sessions have been bad related to-whole thing- sessions have been bad related to whole thing could to it. the whole thing could beve— to it. the whole thing could boe—tor,- to it. the whole thing could have_lot,llotj have been done a lot, a lot beber— have been done a lot, a lot better. _we've - have been done a lot, a lot better.-we've had- have been done a lot, a lot better. we've had hundreds better. now, we've had hundreds of better. now, we've had hundreds or people— better. now, we've had hundreds or people our— better. now, we've had hundreds of people out campaigning. rbey-re— of people out campaigning. they're campaigning of people out campaigning. tithee campaigning of people out campaigning. tithe fact campaigning of people out campaigning. tithe fact that ampaigning of people out campaigning. tithe fact that itnpaigning of people out campaigning. tithe fact that it hasn't ng of people out campaigning. tithe fact that it hasn't been is the fact that it hasn't been done— is the fact that it hasn't been dome-rubr— is the fact that it hasn't been done-right way. - is the fact that it hasn't been done right way. it should done in the right way. it should have— done in the right way. it should hove—over- have been phased in over a router— have been phased in over a longer berrou— have been phased in over a longer period of— have been phased in over a longer period of time, communicated better, starting my.— communicated better, starting mm o— communicated better, starting vrrb o rover— communicated better, starting with a lower rate.— communicated better, starting with a lower rate. so not going errorem— with a lower rate. so not going errorebr for— with a lower rate. so not going straight for £12.50, but maybe ezbo. — straight for £12.50, but maybe ezbo. mu— straight for £12.50, but maybe £2.50. and then _ straight for £12.50, but maybe £2.50. and then phased in over a five— £2.50. and then phased in over a five year— £2.50. and then phased in over a five year terror.— £2.50. and then phased in over a five year period. and i think me— five year period. and i think me reor— five year period. and i think the real crunch— five year period. and i think the real crunch part of it, vmeb— the real crunch part of it, which would— the real crunch part of it, which would have made it the mem— which would have made it the mom mme— which would have made it the mm mud or— which would have made it the right kind of policy for everybody,— right kind of policy for everybody, is say, all of the income from _ everybody, is say, all of the income from it— everybody, is say, all of the income from it have everybody, is say, all of the- income from it-have been income from it should have been baker— income from it should have been taken-subsidise— income from it should have been taken subsidise and help taken to subsidise and help bomuomere—

taken to subsidise and help londoners adjust to it. so londoners to adjust to it. so put— londoners to adjust to it. so our mor— londoners to adjust to it. so our rbor money— londoners to adjust to it. so put that money into looking emer— put that money into looking errer me— put that money into looking after the people that don't have enough—workme- enough money, the working classes, those— enough money, the working classes, those in more difficult circumstances and— classes, those in more difficult circumstances and to white van beb— circumstances and to white van bebb mm — circumstances and to white van man help him get— circumstances and to white van man help him get his retrofit dome.— man help him get his retrofit oome. bur— man help him get his retrofit done. our our— man help him get his retrofit done. but put all of that money buo— done. but put all of that money mro b.— done. but put all of that money mro b. bomb— done. but put all of that money into it. don't try— done. but put all of that money into it. don't try and take it mro— into it. don't try and take it into london's— into it. don't try and take it into london's coffers. well yeah i into london's coffers. well yeah r mem— into london's coffers. well yeah r yes— into london's coffers. well yeah r yes or— into london's coffers. well yeah i mean yes or no— into london's coffers. well yeah i mean yes or no answer. . i mean yes or no answer. is it me— i mean yes or no answer. is it be case— i mean yes or no answer. is it me mor— i mean yes or no answer. is it the case that actually you would prefer just get people out of prefer to just get people out of using their cars? et cetera. well, i think the idea of eerrme— well, i think the idea of getting people into doing eomerbme— getting people into doing something-a- getting people into doing something a much more something in a much more eueromobbe— something in a much more sustainable way that we can keep eome— sustainable way that we can keep doing for— sustainable way that we can keep doing rorlboue— sustainable way that we can keep doing forllong time— sustainable way that we can keep doing for long time is clearly doing for a long time is clearly the doing for a long time is clearly rue-mme— doing for a long time is clearly rbe-rbme ro— doing for a long time is clearly the-thing to do.- doing for a long time is clearly the thing to do. and all the right thing to do. and all of the right thing to do. and all orlvoubu— the right thing to do. and all of.would like— the right thing to do. and all of would like people to be of us would like people to be beobbber— of us would like people to be healthier.-all,- of us would like people to be healthier. all, none of us healthier. after all, none of us are healthier. after all, none of us ore-mor- — healthier. after all, none of us are-that. all- healthier. after all, none of us are _that. all right,. are against that. all right, bob.— are against that. all right, bob-r— are against that. all right, lois, i mean, do you lois, then i mean, what do you think all of this? this think about all of this? is this all form an agenda, all some form of an agenda, perhaps? absolutely. and the thing that keeps people healthy is poverty and not is not being in poverty and not being in poverty means being able to work able to able to work and being able to make money, being able to jump in your car or jump in your van and actually earn a living. it's quite funny that it's eobeu— it's quite funny that it's called the— it's quite funny that it's called the climate party because

oeruouy— called the climate party because oeruouy ob— called the climate party because actually all of— called the climate party because actually all of the— called the climate party because actually all of the main parties at actually all of the main parties or me— actually all of the main parties at the moment— actually all of the main parties at the moment are— actually all of the main parties at the moment are climate berries.— at the moment are climate borrree. vou— at the moment are climate parties. you know, with 1 or 2 eveebrrome— parties. you know, with 1 or 2 exceptions, um,— parties. you know, with 1 or 2 exceptions, um, the people have spoken.— exceptions, um, the people have spoken roooy— exceptions, um, the people have spoken rouoy r— exceptions, um, the people have spoken. today i spoke to howard cox:— spoken. today i spoke to howard cox, o— spoken. today i spoke to howard cox, o rev— spoken. today i spoke to howard cox, o rev bk— spoken. today i spoke to howard cox, a few uk fair— spoken. today i spoke to howard cox, a few uk fair fuel uk. he's been— cox, a few uk fair fuel uk. he's been uovm— cox, a few uk fair fuel uk. he's been down there. _ cox, a few uk fair fuel uk. he's been down there. thousands have ueeeeuueu— been down there. thousands have reserved on— been down there. thousands have descended on whitehall. nobody veere— descended on whitehall. nobody were me — descended on whitehall. nobody wants this. it's— descended on whitehall. nobody wants this. it's about control . wants this. it's about control. reobbe— wants this. it's about control. reobre vom— wants this. it's about control. people want to _ wants this. it's about control. people want to be able to use merr— people want to be able to use rberr eom— people want to be able to use their cars since _ people want to be able to use their cars since the industrial roevoburrom— their cars since the industrial revolution, life— their cars since the industrial revolution, life expectancy has doubled. — revolution, life expectancy has doubled. rr-e— revolution, life expectancy has doubled. it's revolutionised the lives— doubled. it's revolutionised the bvee or— doubled. it's revolutionised the lives of working— doubled. it's revolutionised the lives of working people and workme— lives of working people and working class— lives of working people and working class people. being able to working class people. being able ro eer— working class people. being able ro eer oroumu— working class people. being able to get around in— working class people. being able to get around in their car. it's turre— to get around in their car. it's quite patronising— to get around in their car. it's quite patronising to say , you quite patronising to say, you mow,— quite patronising to say, you mow, rbey— quite patronising to say, you know, they need— quite patronising to say, you know, they need to get used to it. know, they need to get used to b. no— know, they need to get used to b. no, rbey— know, they need to get used to it. no, they don't.— know, they need to get used to it. no, they don't. they should be abbe— it. no, they don't. they should be able ro— it. no, they don't. they should be able o oo— it. no, they don't. they should be able to do whatever they want . bur— be able to do whatever they want . bur bob.— be able to do whatever they want . but lois, then— be able to do whatever they want . but lois, then briefly- be able to do whatever they want . but lois, then briefly ,- be able to do whatever they want . but lois, then briefly , i- . but lois, then briefly, i mean, is it not reasonable for, you know, ed to say , well, hang you know, ed to say, well, hang on a minute, there are ulez benefits, like getting rid of air pollution , but air pollution air pollution, but air pollution is it's lowest point that it's ever been. i mean, there was a bit ever been. i mean, there was a brr or— ever been. i mean, there was a bit of controversy— " i mean, there was a bit of controversy recently obour— bit of controversy recently obour rbe — bit of controversy recently about the thousands of deaths mor— about the thousands of deaths rbor obeeeury— about the thousands of deaths that allegedly have happened due to that allegedly have happened due

rolbouurrom— that allegedly have happened due to.pollution when— that allegedly have happened due to pollution when you to air pollution when you oeruouy— to air pollution when you actually look— to air pollution when you actually look at the statistics, mere— actually look at the statistics, there _freedom - there was a freedom of information.- there was a freedom of information. said there was a freedom of- information.-said that in information. and it said that in the information. and it said that in rue-r— information. and it said that in be. rumb— information. and it said that in the-i think it's— information. and it said that in the-i think it's 20- information. and it said that in the i think it's 20 years, the last i think it's 20 years, mere-e— the last i think it's 20 years, mere-e beer— the last i think it's 20 years, there's been one— the last i think it's 20 years, there's been one death with beer— there's been one death with direct causation _ there's been one death with direct causation of air boburrom— direct causation of air pollution on- direct causation of air pollution on the death certificate— pollution on the death certificate ._ pollution on the death certificate . it's a bit of certificate. it's a bit of a scam. darren— certificate. it's a bit of a scam. darren there is an agenda. it's scam. darren there is an agenda. be ob— scam. darren there is an agenda. be ob obour— scam. darren there is an agenda. it's all about getting us out of our cars at home,— it's all about getting us out of our cars at home, in front of our screens, with— our cars at home, in front of our screens, with our 15 minute errree— our screens, with our 15 minute errree earma— our screens, with our 15 minute cities eating insects. it's oreeuerme— cities eating insects. it's ureeuerme .— cities eating insects. it's disgusting . this is the disgusting. this is the libertarian— disgusting. this is the libertarian issue 100. it's what do you— libertarian issue 100. it's what to you soy— libertarian issue 100. it's what to you say ro— libertarian issue 100. it's what do you say to that, then? become— do you say to that, then? buse r— do you say to that, then? because i mean,- do you say to that, then? because i mean, many- do you say to that, then? because i mean, many people were saying, oh, happy days, the judicial review is going to happen. ulez might be scrapped. what say to that? well what do you say to that? well i have to say, just just to start off with actually, i mean, i think this idea of a scam, i mean, look, let's make it not a scam. let's make sure all the money— scam. let's make sure all the money or— scam. let's make sure all the money or b— scam. let's make sure all the money of it goes— t let's make sure all the money of it goes back to bouaouers— money of it goes back to londoners to— money of it goes back to londoners to help them and to beb— londoners to help them and to bebb mem— londoners to help them and to help them adjust— londoners to help them and to help them adjust to the scheme. me— help them adjust to the scheme. rbe-rbme— help them adjust to the scheme. rbe-rbme rs,— help them adjust to the scheme. the -thing is, is— help them adjust to the scheme. the thing is, is let's not the first thing is, is let's not b.— the first thing is, is let's not b. rue— the first thing is, is let's not see it. we should— the first thing is, is let's not see it. we should be making sure bers— see it. we should be making sure ber-s aor— see it. we should be making sure ber-s nor bers— see it. we should be making sure let's not let's not— see it. we should be making sure let's not let's not see it as a mar-s— let's not let's not see it as a scam that's trying- let's not let's not see it as a scam that's trying to make money — scam that's trying to make money -saara- scam that's trying to make money. sadiq khan scam that's trying to make- money.-sadiq khan to money. let's get sadiq khan to do money. let's get sadiq khan to ao-rrem— money. let's get sadiq khan to tourism mme— money. let's get sadiq khan to do right thing. let's do the right thing. let's

encourage scrapping do the right thing. let's- encourage-scrapping the encourage him. i scrapping the court— encourage him. i scrapping the at... me— encourage him. i scrapping the court, the right— encourage him. i scrapping the court, the right thing. /r:i:r.. court, the right thing. you may.— court, the right thing. you know,.completely- court, the right thing. you know, completely discounted know, he completely discounted absolutely . know, he completely discounted absolutely. i'm know, he completely discounted absolutely . i'm sure it'll come absolutely. i'm sure it'll come to you in a second. the court case to you in a second. the court bas— to you in a second. the court case has been— to you in a second. the court case has been brought- " t: the court case has been brought as well by by me— case has been brought as well by by be four— case has been brought as well by by the four london— case has been brought as well by by the four london boroughs and by the four london boroughs and by-i_ by the four london boroughs and by-r meam— by the four london boroughs and by-i mean,ithink- by the four london boroughs and by i mean, think that by surrey. i mean, i think that coura— by surrey. i mean, i think that court-beer— by surrey. i mean, i think that could-been solved- by surrey. i mean, i think that could been solved by those could have been solved by those bomba— could have been solved by thosei london—together london boroughs getting together with london boroughs getting together vbb—aeruaby- with sadiq khan and actually oreamsme— with sadiq khan and actually organising-right. organising to get the right mme— organising to get the right muse—bur- organising to get the right mire—bur b- organising to get the right thing-put it in. organising to get the righti thing-put it in in organising to get the right- thing-put it in in the thing done. and put it in in the rebr— thing done. and put it in in the mom vay. — thing done. and put it in in the mom way. now,— thing done. and put it in in the right way. now, why they didn't do right way. now, why they didn't ao—aou-r— right way. now, why they didn't do - don't know - right way. now, why they didn't do don't know who's do that and i don't know who's to do that and i don't know who's ro-.— do that and i don't know who's ro-. rm— do that and i don't know who's to-. i'm certainly- do that and i don't know who's to . i'm certainly not to blame. i'm certainly not defending— to blame. i'm certainly not defending sadiq khan on this or asymme— defending sadiq khan on this or aayrbmg-rbar-s— defending sadiq khan on this or anything that's not i'm anything else that's not why i'm bere— anything else that's not why i'm bee-rm— anything else that's not why i'm bere-r-m bere— anything else that's not why i'm here.-i'm here to- anything else that's not why i'm here. i'm here to say is here. what i'm here to say is mar-s— here. what i'm here to say is that's-scheme- here. what i'm here to say is| that's-scheme-we that's a good scheme and we coura— that's a good scheme and we could ao— that's a good scheme and we could bola— that's a good scheme and we could dola lot— that's a good scheme and we could do a lot better. so could do it a lot better. so make— could do it a lot better. so make.better_ could do it a lot better. so make better everyone. make it better for everyone. ea,— make it better for everyone. bu. r— make it better for everyone. bu. r mean.— make it better for everyone. bu. r you— make it better for everyone. ed, i mean, you want- make it better for everyone. ed, i mean, you want to- make it better for everyone. ed, i mean, you want to entice people cause, right? so people to your cause, right? so how you convince these how do you convince these protesters then that they should back ? well, i think the back you? well, i think the reason for backing- t ri:r..7 well, i think the reason for backing the climate party— reason for backing the climate barry rs— reason for backing the climate party is because— reason for backing the climate party is because everybody wants to party is because everybody wants ro see— party is because everybody wants ro arr— party is because everybody wants ro am emb— party is because everybody wants to see an end to— party is because everybody wants to see an end to the cost of bvme— to see an end to the cost of living abb— to see an end to the cost of living crisis energy living crisis and energy seeurby— living crisis and energy security and- living crisis and energy security and currently coming cova— security and currently coming cove-brack— security and currently coming down -track on _ security and currently coming down -track on us - security and currently coming down track on us the down the track on us at the moer— down the track on us at the moer rs— down the track on us at the moment is an— down the track on us at the moment is an entire world that's going— moment is an entire world that's tome-ro— moment is an entire world that's tome-b aer— moment is an entire world that's going-to net zero- moment is an entire world that's going to net zero 101 going to go to net zero 101 second— going to go to net zero 101 eeoa bo— going to go to net zero 101 second, 150 countries who've set rangers— second, 150 countries who've set rareers ro— second, 150 countries who've set rangers o 90— second, 150 countries who've set targets to go there. _ second, 150 countries who've set targets to go there. it's the braces— targets to go there. it's the biggest commercial opportunity on-bbaner—

biggest commercial opportunity on-bbaner .— biggest commercial opportunity on-bbaner . ana— biggest commercial opportunity on-planet . and if- biggest commercial opportunity on planet . and if britain at on the planet. and if britain at the on the planet. and if britain at me baeb— on the planet. and if britain at me baeb or— on the planet. and if britain at the back of the— on the planet. and if britain at the back of the romanian to try to the back of the romanian to try ro nora— the back of the romanian to try ro noba us— the back of the romanian to try to hold us back— the back of the romanian to try to hold us back annihilation , to hold us back annihilation, obbonunrry— to hold us back annihilation, obbonunrry ana— to hold us back annihilation, opportunity and we'll continue navrne— opportunity and we'll continue navrne energy— opportunity and we'll continue having energy insecurity and navrne— having energy insecurity and navrne a— having energy insecurity and navrne a eosr— having energy insecurity and having a cost of— having energy insecurity and having a cost of living crisis. all having a cost of living crisis. nu right-— having a cost of living crisis. ab ngnr. r-ve— having a cost of living crisis. all right. i've got— having a cost of living crisis. all right. i've got to- having a cost of living crisis. all right. i've got to let- having a cost of living crisis. all right. i've got to let lois come back to that opportunity . come back to that opportunity. motty oh, my goodness . i can't motty oh, my goodness. i can't bebeve— motty oh, my goodness. i can't even believe i'm— motty oh, my goodness. i can't even believe i'm hearing it. runab— even believe i'm hearing it. wnar vve-re— even believe i'm hearing it. what we're looking at now is the rnernausrry— what we're looking at now is the theindustry ization_ what we're looking at now is the theindustry ization of the west, a aebberare— theindustry ization of the west, a deliberate strategy to wipe out a deliberate strategy to wipe our me— a deliberate strategy to wipe out the majority— a deliberate strategy to wipe out the majority of people in rerms— out the majority of people in rerms or— out the majority of people in terms of their— out the majority of people in terms of their standard of bvrne. — terms of their standard of living- vou— terms of their standard of living. you need cheap fossil fuels,— living. you need cheap fossil fuels, plentiful— living. you need cheap fossil fuels, plentiful fossil fuels for people— fuels, plentiful fossil fuels ror beobre ro— fuels, plentiful fossil fuels for people to be able to live ebeerrveby— for people to be able to live effectively and _ for people to be able to live effectively and happily. two rnrras— effectively and happily. two rmras or— effectively and happily. two thirds of londoners in the bubbe— thirds of londoners in the public consultation did not want this public consultation did not want rnrs . — public consultation did not want rnrs. web.— public consultation did not want this. well, that's— public consultation did not want this. well, that's it.- public consultation did not want this . �*fvr�*rzi;.. . ' r: this. well, that's it. and ultimately, if the people don't want it, it's going to have to go. but thank you very much to both of you for joining go. but thank you very much to both of you forjoining us now both of you for joining us now with me still is the political commentator , reem ibrahim, and commentator, reem ibrahim, and the broadcaster and lawyer andrew eborn . andrew, you've andrew eborn. andrew, you've heard what people have had to

say there, lois and ed , who are say there, lois and ed, who are you with? well, i'll tell you a little and judy show. it little punch and judy show. it was and what i always was really and what i always say,— was really and what i always say-smne— was really and what i always say,-shine more- was really and what i always say, shine more light and say, let's shine more light and less.— say, let's shine more light and bees. n— say, let's shine more light and less. it-devoid_ say, let's shine more light and less. it-devoid of- say, let's shine more light and less. it devoid of facts and less. it was devoid of facts and names— less. it was devoid of facts and figures .— less. it was devoid of facts and figures. there— less. it was devoid of facts and figures . there were a less. it was devoid of facts and figures. there were a fair. verb— figures. there were a fair. vvebb nor— figures. there were a fair. well, not nearly enough. i mean, berry,— well, not nearly enough. i mean, nary, vno — well, not nearly enough. i mean, nary, vno rs— well, not nearly enough. i mean, firstly, who is the— well, not nearly enough. i mean, firstly, who is the climate banye— firstly, who is the climate party?- little i firstly, who is the climate. party?-little party, party? it's a tiny little party, vnren— party? it's a tiny little party, vnren-nrsr— party? it's a tiny little party, which-first time- party? it's a tiny little party, which first time of are which the first time any of are rneye— which the first time any of are rneye coon— which the first time any of are they? good luck— which the first time any of are they? good luck to them. anyway, unabs— they? good luck to them. anyway, what's interesting— they? good luck to them. anyway, what's interesting is fear is me— what's interesting is fear is rne-vay— what's interesting is fear is the _waylsellingl the biggest way of selling anybbbne— the biggest way of selling anytbing-beu- the biggest way of selling anything. you have to turn anything. so you have to turn aoun— anything. so you have to turn around-say,— anything. so you have to turn around-say,-what. anything. so you have to turn. around-say,-what does around and say, look, what does it around and say, look, what does b-ro— around and say, look, what does b-ro be— around and say, look, what does b-ro be urbz— around and say, look, what does it to be ulez compliant? i it mean to be ulez compliant? i ean-vrnuaby— it mean to be ulez compliant? i can _virtually every- can tell you virtually every terror— can tell you virtually every petrol registered since petrol car registered since ranuary— petrol car registered since january booe— petrol car registered since january 2006 ulez january 2006 will be ulez eombbanr— january 2006 will be ulez eombbanr .— january 2006 will be ulez compliant . so— january 2006 will be ulez compliant . so if your car is not compliant. so if your car is not zbbons— compliant. so if your car is not zbbons or— compliant. so if your car is not zillions of years— compliant. so if your car is not zillions of years old, then youre— zillions of years old, then youre nor— zillions of years old, then you're not going to have an runab— you're not going to have an issue. what you— you're not going to have an issue. what you need to look at in issue. what you need to look at m me— issue. what you need to look at m be nor— issue. what you need to look at m be nor tusr— issue. what you need to look at in the not just the— issue. what you need to look at in the not just the economic aebare,— in the not just the economic aebare, you— in the not just the economic debate, you need to turn around ana— debate, you need to turn around and say,— debate, you need to turn around and say, boob— debate, you need to turn around and say, look, what's the impact going— and say, look, what's the impact going-be— and say, look, what's the impact goinglbe on— and say, look, what's the impact going be on people coming to going to be on people coming to in going to be on people coming to rn-rnearres— going to be on people coming to in -theatres, to _ going to be on people coming to in -theatres, to the - in the theatres, to the restaurants- in the theatres, to the restaurants on in the theatres, to the restaurants-on so restaurants and so on and so bonn— restaurants and so on and so bomb-snobs.- restaurants and so on and so forth,-shops. and- restaurants and so on and so forth, shops. and it's a forth, to the shops. and it's a massive thing.— forth, to the shops. and it's a massive thing. on— forth, to the shops. and it's a massive thing. on that basis, we need— massive thing. on that basis, we need ro— massive thing. on that basis, we neea ro nave— massive thing. on that basis, we need to have far— massive thing. on that basis, we need to have far more facts and figures— need to have far more facts and figures-make— need to have far more facts and figures make informed figures to make informed tensions.— figures to make informed- decisions._there decisions. well, i mean, there vvasn-— decisions. well, i mean, there vvasm- ane- decisions. well, i mean, there was-in the press- decisions. well, i mean, there- was-in the press today. was a french in the press today. mere-s— was a french in the press today. mere-s a— was a french in the press today. there's a french— was a french in the press today. there's a french man— was a french in the press today.

there's a french man who's- was a french in the press today. there's a french man who's got quite when received quite the shock when he received a through the post. but quite the shock when he received a 11 rough the post. but quite the shock when he received a 11 know the post. but quite the shock when he received a 11 know ine post. but quite the shock when he received a 11 know in myyst. but quite the shock when he received a 11 know in my partyut quite the shock when he received a 11 know in my part in reem, i know in my part in newcastle there are people saying because have clean saying because we have a clean air well, it's not just air zone as well, it's not just london, you know, this is actually an agenda, in my view, that's around the country. that's going around the country. and don't it's one that and i don't think it's one that puts people first. puts working people first. and that's it. that's my concern with it. yeah, you're absolutely right. i uubz— yeah, you're absolutely right. i ubbz rs— yeah, you're absolutely right. i mean, ulez is nothing more than a rav— mean, ulez is nothing more than a ran on— mean, ulez is nothing more than a ran on-boorer— mean, ulez is nothing more than a tax on-poorer and- mean, ulez is nothing more than a tax on poorer and the a tax on the poorer and the vulnerable. — a tax on the poorer and the vulnerable. mean, it really is vulnerable. i mean, it really is mose— vulnerable. i mean, it really is rnose-a— vulnerable. i mean, it really is those-a majority- vulnerable. i mean, it really is those a majority are those cars that a majority are going— those cars that a majority are tome—erase- those cars that a majority are. going—class owned going to be working class owned are—ny- going to be working class owned are—ray rambyl going to be working class ownedj are—my family car are not compliant. my family car is are not compliant. my family car rs-uubz— are not compliant. my family car is-ulez compliant.- are not compliant. my family car is ulez compliant. we have is not ulez compliant. we have to is not ulez compliant. we have ro-rne— is not ulez compliant. we have ro-rne sesa— is not ulez compliant. we have to -the £12.50 every- is not ulez compliant. we have to the £12.50 every time we to pay the £12.50 every time we go to pay the £12.50 every time we eo-eenrrab— to pay the £12.50 every time we go-central london. - to pay the £12.50 every time we go central london. and now go into central london. and now beeue— go into central london. and now because-onelthose. because i live in one of those bonaon— because i live in one of those london boroughs,— because i live in one of those london boroughs, live in london boroughs, i live in minimum— london boroughs, i live in hillingdon actually that is now going— hillingdon actually that is now tome—abb- hillingdon actually that is now going—this ulez. going to be under this ulez ebaree— going to be under this ulez- earemeansne— charge, which essentially means mar— charge, which essentially means rnar vnen— charge, which essentially means rnar vnen my— charge, which essentially means that when my mum has to do the senoob— that when my mum has to do the senoob run— that when my mum has to do the school run, she— that when my mum has to do the school run, she has— that when my mum has to do the school run, she has to pay the mea— school run, she has to pay the erase anyway.— school run, she has to pay the £12.50 anyway. either have £12.50 anyway. so we either have to £12.50 anyway. so we either have rolroreea— £12.50 anyway. so we either have rolroreea ro— £12.50 anyway. so we either have rolroreea ro bay— £12.50 anyway. so we either have to.forced to pay for- £12.50 anyway. so we either have to forced to pay for a new to be forced to pay for a new ear-s— to be forced to pay for a new car-is something. to be forced to pay for a new car is something that's car and this is something that's nabbenrne— car and this is something that'si nabbenrne—aeam. happening time and time again. mums— happening time and time again. mums-senoob- happening time and time again. mums-school run.- happening time and time again. mums school run. the mums on their school run. the m— mums on their school run. the m me— mums on their school run. the man in the white— mums on their school run. the man in the white van going to work. — man in the white van going to work. -vno— man in the white van going to work.-who it's- man in the white van going to work. who it's hurting, work. this is who it's hurting, nor— work. this is who it's hurting, nor mose— work. this is who it's hurting, not those that— work. this is who it's hurting, not those that are _ work. this is who it's hurting, not those that are wealthy. in a won,— not those that are wealthy. in a wore-ro— not those that are wealthy. in a vora-ro ane— not those that are wealthy. in a word,-to the pair- not those that are wealthy. in a word, to the pair of you, word, then to the pair of you, do word, then to the pair of you, combine— word, then to the pair of you, do-think this— word, then to the pair of you, do-think this is- word, then to the pair of you, do think this is agenda do you think this is an agenda

to do you think this is an agenda ro-our— do you think this is an agenda ro-our or— do you think this is an agenda ro-our or our- do you think this is an agenda to-out of our cars,- do you think this is an agenda to out of our cars, to to get us out of our cars, to srob— to get us out of our cars, to srob us— to get us out of our cars, to erob us usrne— to get us out of our cars, to stop us using cars? i think it's an agenda— stop us using cars? i think it's an agenda ro— stop us using cars? i think it's an agenda to money for tfl an agenda to raise money for tfl beeue— an agenda to raise money for tfl beeue sabba— an agenda to raise money for tfl because sadiq khan is spunked all because sadiq khan is spunked arr—yean- because sadiq khan is spunked arr—yean. anni all the money. well, yeah. and eonrrob. — all the money. well, yeah. and eonrrob. -r— all the money. well, yeah. and control. _i think- all the money. well, yeah. andi control. _i think without control. andrew i think without a there's way of pushing a doubt there's a way of pushing a doubt there's a way of pushing a hidden agenda think you a hidden agenda and i think you need let's get the facts on need to let's get the facts on both on what's happening about need to let's get the facts on boticlimateat's happening about need to let's get the facts on boticlimate andlappening about need to let's get the facts on boticlimate and alsoening about need to let's get the facts on boticlimate and also the] about need to let's get the facts on boticlimate and also the factth the climate and also the facts on affected. okey on who's actually affected. okey doke. we'll leave it there. mank— doke. we'll leave it there. mam-ro— doke. we'll leave it there. thank-to the- doke. we'll leave it there. thank-to the -ofl doke. we'll leave it there. . thank-to the -of you. thank you. to the pair of you. now:— thank you. to the pair of you. now, snu— thank you. to the pair of you. now, srrb ro— thank you. to the pair of you. now, still to come, folks, this noun— now, still to come, folks, this noun verb— now, still to come, folks, this hour, we'll be— now, still to come, folks, this hour, we'll be talking all amnes— hour, we'll be talking all things titanic— hour, we'll be talking all things titanic with a titanic nrsronan— things titanic with a titanic historian broadcast historian and broadcast hour. nes— historian and broadcast hour. ne-s—asbenl historian and broadcast hour.i nee—aspen. vou he's called nelson aspen. you non-r— he's called nelson aspen. you von-r—r-ul he's called nelson aspen. you. von-r—r-b won't want to miss him. i'll see you— won't want to miss him. i'll see yelle— won't want to miss him. i'll see youla rev—

on mark dolan tonight. 3g on mark dolan tonight, 3.9 s on mark dolan tonight. right. in my big— on mark dolan tonight. right. in my big opinion, i'll be dealing with meghan markle, prince harry and the world's most famous plastic paddy pretend irishman joe biden . my three top pundits joe biden. my three top pundits tonight, radio and tv legend david hamilton . fearless and david hamilton. fearless and feisty angie best, who normally gets us in trouble. and that rare thing , a young person with rare thing, a young person with conservative views. political commentator grant . my mark

commentator alice grant. my mark meets guest is legendary gardener and grower of big vegetables, gerald stratford. you see his marrows . you should see his marrows. plus, sunday's papers hot off the press. we're live from . nine the press. we're live from. nine welcome back, folks . thank . \r welcome back, folks . thank you welcome back, folks. thank you very— welcome back, folks. thank you very muen— welcome back, folks. thank you very muen bor— welcome back, folks. thank you very much for your— welcome back, folks. thank you very much for your company. now you-ve— very much for your company. now you-ve been— very much for your company. now you've been getting— very much for your company. now you've been getting in touch vbn— you've been getting in touch vbn your— you've been getting in touch with your views— you've been getting in touch with your views ,_ you've been getting in touch with your views , much more with your views, much more rmbonanr— with your views, much more important than— with your views, much more important than any of ours. and you-ve— important than any of ours. and you-ve been— important than any of ours. and you've been talking about elon musk— you've been talking about elon musk ana— you've been talking about elon musk and one— you've been talking about elon musk and one question here, one rarner— musk and one question here, one answer, rather says— musk and one question here, one answer, rather says maybe elon musk— answer, rather says maybe elon musk urb— answer, rather says maybe elon musk but by— answer, rather says maybe elon musk will by the _ answer, rather says maybe elon musk will by the bbc. we can only— musk will by the bbc. we can only nope.— musk will by the bbc. we can only nobe. r— musk will by the bbc. we can only hope. i would agree with man— only hope. i would agree with man mar-s— only hope. i would agree with that. that's irvine— only hope. i would agree with that. that's irvine and taunton. bov— that. that's irvine and taunton. uov bareb— that. that's irvine and taunton. uov rrreb says— that. that's irvine and taunton. now mick says, well said, baren— now mick says, well said, baren eer— now mick says, well said, darren, get the- now mick says, well said, darren, get the bbc licence fee abobsnea— darren, get the bbc licence fee abobsnea .— darren, get the bbc licence fee abolished . they— darren, get the bbc licence fee abolished . they are further to abolished. they are further to the abolished. they are further to me berr— abolished. they are further to the left than— abolished. they are further to the left than starmer ever will be ana— the left than starmer ever will be and um— the left than starmer ever will be and jim says— the left than starmer ever will be and jim says about horse raerne— be and jim says about horse raerne ,— be and jim says about horse raerne , r— be and jim says about horse racing, i think— be and jim says about horse racing , i think it— be and jim says about horse racing, i think it should be made— racing, i think it should be made a— racing, i think it should be made a flat— racing, i think it should be made a flat race. maybe just nave— made a flat race. maybe just nave one— made a flat race. maybe just have one hurdle— made a flat race. maybe just have one hurdle to keep it evebrnd— have one hurdle to keep it exciting, but— have one hurdle to keep it exciting, but i'm sick of these sruaenr— exciting, but i'm sick of these eruaenr rybes— exciting, but i'm sick of these student types trying to change amnes— student types trying to change rnrnes by— student types trying to change rnrnes by aerrne— student types trying to change things by acting like utter i

note— things by acting like utter i note rney— things by acting like utter i we they get— things by acting like utter i hope they get five years. kat, rnouen— hope they get five years. kat, rnouen says— hope they get five years. kat, though, says it's— hope they get five years. kat, though, says it's disgusting. all though, says it's disgusting. an for— though, says it's disgusting. an for me— though, says it's disgusting. all for the money. over 200 nones— all for the money. over 200 bones nave— all for the money. over 200 horses have died— all for the money. over 200 horses have died at cheltenham ana— horses have died at cheltenham and men— horses have died at cheltenham and men tonn— horses have died at cheltenham and then john wrote in and said bases— and then john wrote in and said horses are not— and then john wrote in and said horses are not born to be ridden or ro— horses are not born to be ridden or ro bub— horses are not born to be ridden or ro bub neavy— horses are not born to be ridden or to pull heavy loads. they are senrrenr— or to pull heavy loads. they are sentient beings— or to pull heavy loads. they are sentient beings and the way numans— sentient beings and the way humans have— sentient beings and the way humans have treated them over the humans have treated them over me eenunesr— humans have treated them over the centuries is— humans have treated them over the centuries is atrocious. abnouen— the centuries is atrocious. abnouen r— the centuries is atrocious. although i think the stop oil ana— although i think the stop oil and ebmare— although i think the stop oil and climate mob are idiots. bveryone— and climate mob are idiots. everyone should— and climate mob are idiots. everyone should applaud these brave— everyone should applaud these brave beobbe— everyone should applaud these brave people who— everyone should applaud these brave people who are trying to put brave people who are trying to our an— brave people who are trying to our an ena— brave people who are trying to our an end ro— brave people who are trying to put an end to the— brave people who are trying to put an end to the disgusting maltreatment— put an end to the disgusting maltreatment of horses. and then finally— maltreatment of horses. and then finally on— maltreatment of horses. and then finally on ubbz— maltreatment of horses. and then finally on ulez john says hi gb beve— finally on ulez john says hi gb uevs me— finally on ulez john says hi gb news the ulez— finally on ulez john says hi gb news the ulez issue . sorry it news the ulez issue. sorry it aoesn-r— news the ulez issue. sorry it doesn't affect— news the ulez issue. sorry it doesn't affect me. i haven't enven— doesn't affect me. i haven't anven m— doesn't affect me. i haven't driven in london- doesn't affect me. i haven't driven in london in more than 20 years— driven in london in more than 20 years rr-s— driven in london in more than 20 years as a— driven in london in more than 20 years. it's a london— driven in london in more than 20 years. it's a london thing, so get— years. it's a london thing, so eer on— years. it's a london thing, so eer on vbn— years. it's a london thing, so eer on mm b,— years. it's a london thing, so get on with it, muppets. after an,— get on with it, muppets. after ab, m— get on with it, muppets. after all, in chairman,— get on with it, muppets. after all, in chairman, you voted in enarrman— all, in chairman, you voted in chairman khan— all, in chairman, you voted in chairman khan to— all, in chairman, you voted in chairman khan to run the eapbab— chairman khan to run the eabrrab. tonn— chairman khan to run the capital. john i'm afraid to tell you— capital. john i'm afraid to tell you b-s— capital. john i'm afraid to tell you us nor— capital. john i'm afraid to tell you it's not just— capital. john i'm afraid to tell you it's not just london. as i menrronea— you it's not just london. as i mentioned there,— you it's not just london. as i mentioned there, you castle has a ebmabe— mentioned there, you castle has a ebmare, a— mentioned there, you castle has a climate, a zone— mentioned there, you castle has a climate, a zone or whatever mey— a climate, a zone or whatever rney vana— a climate, a zone or whatever rney vanr ro— a climate, a zone or whatever they want to call— a climate, a zone or whatever they want to call it. and other ebres— they want to call it. and other cities throughout— they want to call it. and other cities throughout the uk as

verb.— cities throughout the uk as web. n— cities throughout the uk as well. it definitely just isn't bmbea— well. it definitely just isn't bmbea ro— well. it definitely just isn't limited to london now, folks . limited to london now, folks. rr-s— limited to london now, folks. us me— limited to london now, folks. it's the 111th _ limited to london now, folks. it's the 111th anniversary since the it's the 111th anniversary since me name— it's the 111th anniversary since the titanic ship— it's the 111th anniversary since the titanic ship sank and it abso— the titanic ship sank and it also nabbens— the titanic ship sank and it also happens to— the titanic ship sank and it also happens to be 25 years smee— also happens to be 25 years me— also happens to be 25 years since the incomparable film srarnne— since the incomparable film starring leonardo dicaprio and bare— starring leonardo dicaprio and are number— starring leonardo dicaprio and kate winslet lit,— starring leonardo dicaprio and kate winslet lit, which makes me feel anerenr— kate winslet lit, which makes me feel anerenr .— kate winslet lit, which makes me feel ancient . now— kate winslet lit, which makes me feel ancient . now i'm joined by feel ancient. now i'm joined by tournabsr— feel ancient. now i'm joined by journalist and— feel ancient. now i'm joined by journalist and titanic historian beb— journalist and titanic historian ueb son— journalist and titanic historian neil son heung—min right now. uebson— neil son heung—min right now. uebson mank— neil son heung—min right now. nelson thank you _ neil son heung—min right now. nelson thank you very much for your— nelson thank you very much for your arme— nelson thank you very much for your rrme rms— nelson thank you very much for your time this is— nelson thank you very much for your time this is quite a big day— your time this is quite a big bay for— your time this is quite a big day for titanic— your time this is quite a big day for titanic superfan fans, rsn-r— day for titanic superfan fans, rsn-r be— day for titanic superfan fans, rsn-r be me— day for titanic superfan fans, isn't it? the titanic's ? kris isn't it? the titanic's? yes, mar-s— isn't it? the titanic's? yes, rbar-s right-— isn't it? the titanic's? yes, that's right. i— isn't it? the titanic's? yes, that's right. i am- isn't it? the titanic's? yes, that's right. i am a proud titanic is the is the moniker we have coined for ourselves. and april 15th is a day that's very important on our calendar. as you said, it's the 111th anniversary of the sinking and it can be very sombre. but it's also a day of remembrance because she is the ship of dreams. there are so many stories, human elements to her, her tragedy , whether whether her tragedy, whether whether it's the romance , the mystery of

it's the romance, the mystery of why it happened , the class why it happened, the class distinction of who survived and who didn't, the hubris of an unsinkable ship that could absolutely sink. we all know the story, but yet it always seems to compel us and i'm excited you're showing a little bit of the trailer from ship of dreams, titanic movie diaries. i'm part of this documentary that releases today. if you go to ship of dreams, film.com and this documentary by filmmaker alexander boyd reunite . it's alexander boyd reunite. it's some of the actors from james cameron's film . alexandra had a cameron's film. alexandra had a small part in the film. all those years ago, and she had the very clever idea of getting these support actors to write their diaries about the experience. and now a quarter century later, just in time for james cameron to rerelease his film, she has created this documentary. so it's really fascinating to see these these beloved characters that we've come to know so well over the last several years. they share recollections behind the scenes

stories and it gets quite emotional. darren that's the documentary there that people, of course, are free to google and find. now, what do you why do you— and find. now, what do you why to you reeonb— and find. now, what do you why do you reckon, if— and find. now, what do you why do you reckon, if i— and find. now, what do you why do you reckon, if i can- etc �*7 r: now, what do you why do you reckon, if i can ask you to do you reckon, if i can ask you ro eer— do you reckon, if i can ask you ro eer inro— do you reckon, if i can ask you to get into the— do you reckon, if i can ask you to get into the minds of the bubbe— to get into the minds of the bubbe .— to get into the minds of the bubbe , babe— to get into the minds of the public, like why— to get into the minds of the public , like why do we find the public, like why do we find the name— public, like why do we find the rbanre m— public, like why do we find the titanic in particular? so fascinating?— titanic in particular? so fascinating? do you think we would— fascinating? do you think we would be— fascinating? do you think we would be so— fascinating? do you think we would be so intrigued if it vvasnr— would be so intrigued if it vvasnr bor— would be so intrigued if it wasn't for mr. _ would be so intrigued if it wasn't for mr. dicaprio? and of , bare— wasn't for mr. dicaprio? and of course , kate winslet? well we course, kate winslet? well we eenarnby— course, kate winslet? well we certainly wouldn't be as rnrneuea— certainly wouldn't be as intrigued if— certainly wouldn't be as intrigued if the ship had just baa— intrigued if the ship had just bad smoorn— intrigued if the ship had just had smooth sailing and arrived in had smooth sailing and arrived m bev— had smooth sailing and arrived m new york— had smooth sailing and arrived in new york as— had smooth sailing and arrived in new york as planned. . in new york as planned. it's bcause— in new york as planned. it's bcause b— in new york as planned. it's because it was— in new york as planned. it's because it was a _ in new york as planned. it's because it was a disaster of epic proportions that it is so timeless to us, like a 9/11 or a or vice vesuvius blowing. i mean, these are epic tragedy is where people from all walks of life are thrown together . this life are thrown together. this is the recipe for any successful disaster movie you see. and so you mentioned titanic , but it you mentioned titanic, but it really didn't have anything to do with the love story of kate and leo, which, you know, was fictional and certainly very

romantic , if you think of it romantic, if you think of it that way. but it was the fact that way. but it was the fact that third class, second class, first class men, women, people from all over the world, every demographic was represented on the same ship. and that's when the same ship. and that's when the great equaliser comes into play the great equaliser comes into play . darren. well, nelson , best play. darren. well, nelson, best of play. darren. well, nelson, best or bueb— play. darren. well, nelson, best or bueb varn— play. darren. well, nelson, best of luck with the _ l well, nelson, best of luck with the documentary z�*lritttrzir�* well, nelson, best of luck with the documentary . of luck with the documentary. r-m — of luck with the documentary. r-m sure— of luck with the documentary. r-m b-s— of luck with the documentary. i'm sure it's going to be fascinating— i'm sure it's going to be fascinating and i'll watch it, seek— fascinating and i'll watch it, seek b— fascinating and i'll watch it, seek b our— fascinating and i'll watch it, seek it out myself. i promise you— seek it out myself. i promise you man — seek it out myself. i promise you that. nelson but thank you very— you that. nelson but thank you very muen— you that. nelson but thank you very muen bor— you that. nelson but thank you very much for your— you that. nelson but thank you very much for your time today ana— very much for your time today and for— very much for your time today and for joining— very much for your time today and forjoining us— very much for your time today and for joining us to actually commemorate— and for joining us to actually commemorate this anniversary . commemorate this anniversary. i'm commemorate this anniversary. r-m eome— commemorate this anniversary. rm tome ro— commemorate this anniversary. rm gang o 90— commemorate this anniversary. r-m gang o to ro— commemorate this anniversary. i'm going to go to my esteemed banek— i'm going to go to my esteemed banek no— i'm going to go to my esteemed banek ane— i'm going to go to my esteemed panel now, the political commentator- panel now, the political commentator , reem ibrahim, commentator, reem ibrahim, and the commentator, reem ibrahim, and rne—ana— commentator, reem ibrahim, and rne—ana kavyer- the broadcaster and lawyer knarev— the broadcaster and lawyer andrew-still- the broadcaster and lawyer andrew still join me now. andrew eborn still join me now. been,— andrew eborn still join me now. been, you— andrew eborn still join me now. been, you a— andrew eborn still join me now. reem, are you a titanic fan? i you know,— reem, are you a titanic fan? i mean, you know, i— reem, are you a titanic fan? i mean, you know, i regret to say mar— mean, you know, i regret to say bar you— mean, you know, i regret to say rnar you make— mean, you know, i regret to say that you make me— mean, you know, i regret to say that you make me feel ancient beeue— that you make me feel ancient beeue you— that you make me feel ancient because you are— that you make me feel ancient because you are how old? remind my — because you are how old? remind my bree— because you are how old? remind my viewers. erg .20. - because you are how old? remind my viewers. erg 20. so you my viewers. erg 20. 20. so you vverenr— my viewers. erg 20. 20. so you weren't even around. you were nor— weren't even around. you were nor even— weren't even around. you were nor a sa— weren't even around. you were not even a star in— weren't even around. you were not even a star in the sky. i nor— not even a star in the sky. i was not even born when titanic our, bur— was not even born when titanic came out, but it— was not even born when titanic came out, but it is— was not even born when titanic came out, but it is still one of my— came out, but it is still one of my ab— came out, but it is still one of my ab arme— came out, but it is still one of my all time favourite movies. oh— my all time favourite movies. on. good-— my all time favourite movies. oh, good. absolutely- my all time favourite movies. oh, good. absolutely we- my all time favourite movies. oh, good. absolutely we love it. and i think that what i

particularly like about the movie the class dynamic movie is the class dynamic between jack between between rose and jack and sort of came and how they sort of came together and sort of together and jack sort of entering this world of the upper classes i think is fantastic. and a beautiful story. and a beautiful love story. andrew you have historic connections. _ andrew you have historic connections. i'm 25. i've just bau— connections. i'm 25. i've just bad a— connections. i'm 25. i've just had a tough paper round. but no, absolutely . so my grandfather, absolutely. so my grandfather, the wonderful william wheeler, he actually supplied made silk bunds he actually supplied made silk blinds to the titanic. so a great chance to remember him as well. and it's extraordinary because they tried to bizarrely resurrect the titanic a couple of times, people and been trying to build the new one. they must learn history, i would learn from history, i would have thought. what they thought. but that's what they tried but william wheeler tried to do. but william wheeler remembering he supply remembering him, he did supply bunds remembering him, he did supply blinds the titanic. wow. blinds to the titanic. wow. that's mean, blinds to the titanic. wow. that'simean, that's- that's i mean, that's impressive.- that's i mean, that's impressive. it's fantastic. i mean,-comes to. impressive. it's fantastic. i- mean,-comes to these mean, when it comes to these son— mean, when it comes to these son or— mean, when it comes to these son or rssues— mean, when it comes to these sort of issues and— mean, when it comes to these sort of issues and these documentaries as being created to commemorate— documentaries as being created to commemorate events, to commemorate these events, do you—baek— to commemorate these events, do you—baek ro- to commemorate these events, do you—baek ro rne- you think harken back to the basa— you think harken back to the tab rs— you think harken back to the past is useful— you think harken back to the past is useful ?_ you think harken back to the past is useful ? because, you think harken back to the past is useful? because, i mean, mere-s— past is useful? because, i mean, rnere-slvnoke— past is useful? because, i mean, there's whole question in and there's a whole question in and of there's a whole question in and or baseb— there's a whole question in and or man vve— there's a whole question in and of itself. we live— there's a whole question in and of itself. we live in— there's a whole question in and of itself. we live in an age in vnren— of itself. we live in an age in which actually— of itself. we live in an age in which actually history and the babies— which actually history and the tonnes of— which actually history and the politics of that— which actually history and the politics of that history are

indeed— politics of that history are indeed controversial . “cg itrzi; indeed controversial. they are controversial. i mean, as a history university student, i've got to say, i, i totally think that this stuff is fantastic. and i think that actually, looking back on our past is the only way we can look towards the future from the past. future and learn from the past. i a lot these political i mean, a lot of these political issues that we have at the moment when it comes to freedom of or with education of expression or with education reforms, things reforms, a lot of these things are things people fought are things that people fought for years well. for 100 years ago as well. i mean, 1912 was a commemorative yean mean, 1912 was a commemorative year, just about into a world war. and there's a huge amount of politics that happened over there during that time. i think we have a lot to learn from the people of the titanic. andrew remember, people of the titanic. andrew bememben m— people of the titanic. andrew remember, in history,- .f’t rt. andrew remember, in history, important as a rumba,— remember, in history, important as a futurist, what— remember, in history, important as a futurist, what i also do is we breaker— as a futurist, what i also do is we breaker ane— as a futurist, what i also do is we predict the future have 100% reeaa— we predict the future have 100% eeaa ana— we predict the future have 100% record and the— we predict the future have 100% record and the reason for that is record and the reason for that rs-say— record and the reason for that rs-say beobke- record and the reason for that is say people turn up is i always say people turn up ana— is i always say people turn up and say— is i always say people turn up and say nrsrory— is i always say people turn up and say history repeats itself. knu— and say history repeats itself. ana-reason— and say history repeats itself. and-reason history- and say history repeats itself. and the reason history repeats itself we don't learn itself is because we don't learn the history. so the lessons from history. so look virtually most look back at virtually most major events learn major events and learn those lessons. have you got any lessons. so have you got any arme— lessons. so have you got any rrmelrne— lessons. so have you got any time .the activists- so have you got any time the activists then that time for the activists then that 56y— time for the activists then that say-you _ time for the activists then that say-you know,- time for the activists then that say _you know, we . say actually, you know, we snouka— say actually, you know, we should denigrate history?

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well, as we go through the next few days, for many us, it's few days, for many of us, it's going to be fairly cloudy tomorrow. but the brighter skies are as we go into are set to return as we go into early next week. here's the early next week. so here's the situation the moment. we've early next week. so here's the situ high the moment. we've early next week. so here's the situ high pressureioment. we've early next week. so here's the situ high pressure trying:. we've early next week. so here's the situ high pressure trying to tle've early next week. so here's the situ high pressure trying to move got high pressure trying to move in across the uk, but these two weather fronts will in weather fronts will move in across many western areas as we go the next 24 hours, go through the next 24 hours, bringing spell of bringing in another spell of cloud rain. you can see it cloud and rain. you can see it on the graphics here already moving ireland moving into northern ireland and eventually into scotland as the evening many evening goes on. for many eastern actually, it's eastern parts, actually, it's going remain dry with going to remain fairly dry with some skies , maybe the odd some clear skies, maybe the odd mist and fog patch, but also here could just touch here we could just see a touch of frost. but further west where we see the cloud and rain, it should be a fairly mild night. the recent so the compared to recent so tomorrow for a lot of us it starts off fairly grey. could you see some brightness across the east? but generally a lot of cloud around some outbreaks of rain too. quite light and patchy though mainly nuisance value more than anything else. but then going into the afternoon, brighter skies for northern ireland scotland. may ireland and scotland. this may well few showers, but

well trigger a few showers, but also quite warm here in also feeling quite warm here in the sunshine could highs the sunshine could see highs reaching 17 degrees, but still quite disappointing where that cloud lingers across of cloud lingers across parts of england and wales into the evening , a lot of the showers evening, a lot of the showers generally fade in away. so as we go into the small hours of monday, actually quite a lot of the generally dry, some the uk generally dry, some clear skies especially across skies, especially across scotland also across some scotland and also across some eastern parts of england too . eastern parts of england too. here again, could just see here again, we could just see a touch of frost, but where the cloud hangs on, it should be fairly mild for most. as we start monday morning. so going into monday , again, a fairly into monday, again, a fairly cloudy start across the west. but the clearer skies across the east will slowly spread their way a little bit further westwards as the day goes on. so some good sunshine developing across central, across the midlands, central, southern england, northern scotland and maybe also northern ireland, too. and in the sunshine, especially come tuesday , we could see highs tuesday, we could see highs reaching in the .

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