on moving all the way keep on moving all the way through— keep on moving all the way through until— keep on moving all the way through until 9:00 every week. you— through until 9:00 every week. you can— through until 9:00 every week. you join— through until 9:00 every week. you can join myself and emily mue— you can join myself and emily amie and— you can join myself and emily albie and benjamin as we debate all albie and benjamin as we debate at the— albie and benjamin as we debate at the big— albie and benjamin as we debate all the big issues— albie and benjamin as we debate all the big issues and was special— all the big issues and was special guest— all the big issues and was special guest this week is the m...— special guest this week is the brilliant political— special guest this week is the brilliant political commentator dominique— brilliant political commentator dominique samuels. now each of us wm— dominique samuels. now each of us will get— dominique samuels. now each of us will get just— dominique samuels. now each of us will get just 60— dominique samuels. now each of us will get just 60 seconds to outline— us will get just 60 seconds to eutttne eut— us will get just 60 seconds to outline our argument and then the tun— outline our argument and then the fun starts— outline our argument and then the fun starts as— outline our argument and then the fun starts as we all pile tn. — the fun starts as we all pile tn. ot— the fun starts as we all pile in. of course,— the fun starts as we all pile in. of course, we- the fun starts as we all pile in. f the fun starts as we all pile in. of course, we want to know your views as well. get involved. email us at gb views at gbnews.uk. we will share the best ones later in the show. but before it all kicks off, here is your saturday night news with tatiana . emily, thank tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you very— tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you very mutt.— tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you very much. this- tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you very much. this is- f emily, thank you very much. this is the toteet— you very much. this is the latest from _ you very much. this is the latest from the _ you very much. this is the latest from the gb newsroom meteeyette— latest from the gb newsroom merseyside police says 118 peoote— merseyside police says 118 peopte tute— merseyside police says 118 people have now been arrested tottoutug— people have now been arrested following disruption caused at the grout— following disruption caused at the grand national . protesters the grand national. protesters eoeeet— the grand national. protesters eoeeet tte— the grand national. protesters crossed the track— the grand national. protesters crossed the track at aintree, tueoettue — crossed the track at aintree, breaching security fences with at teoet— breaching security fences with at teoet two — breaching security fences with at least two glueing themselves to o— at least two glueing themselves to o jump— at least two glueing themselves to o jump .— at least two glueing themselves to o jump . the— at least two glueing themselves to a jump . the animal rising to a jump. the animal rising group—

to a jump. the animal rising group says— to a jump. the animal rising group eoye tte— to a jump. the animal rising group says the event is cruel, tutt— group says the event is cruel, uttt eo— group says the event is cruel, with 60 horses— group says the event is cruel, with 60 horses dying at the teettvot— with 60 horses dying at the festival over— with 60 horses dying at the festival over the _ with 60 horses dying at the festival over the past 23 years. three — festival over the past 23 years. three toteee— festival over the past 23 years. three horses died— festival over the past 23 years. three horses died during this year-e— three horses died during this yeot-e ttuee— three horses died during this year's three day— three horses died during this year's three day event, the toteet— year's three day event, the latest hill— year's three day event, the latest hill 16— year's three day event, the latest hill 16 racehorse who euttetet— latest hill 16 racehorse who euttetet o— latest hill 16 racehorse who suffered a heavy fall at the teet— suffered a heavy fall at the first fence. _ suffered a heavy fall at the first fence. the— suffered a heavy fall at the first fence. the government is utter— first fence. the government is utter pressure— first fence. the government is under pressure to— first fence. the government is under pressure to prevent the most— under pressure to prevent the most etree— under pressure to prevent the most extreme nurses strike yet otter— most extreme nurses strike yet otter tte— most extreme nurses strike yet after the latest— most extreme nurses strike yet after the latest pay offer was erected— after the latest pay offer was reteetet out— after the latest pay offer was rejected and members from the tou— rejected and members from the tcu rotet— rejected and members from the rcn voted against the 5% pay riser— rcn voted against the 5% pay returne— rcn voted against the 5% pay rise, meaning nhs nurses in emergency— rise, meaning nhs nurses in emergency departments , intensive emergency departments, intensive out— emergency departments, intensive care and cancer wards will take tutuetrtot— care and cancer wards will take industrial action— care and cancer wards will take industrial action for the first true. — industrial action for the first true. rte— industrial action for the first true. the re— industrial action for the first time. the 48 hour walkout will start— time. the 48 hour walkout will start on— time. the 48 hour walkout will start on tree— time. the 48 hour walkout will start on the 30th— time. the 48 hour walkout will start on the 30th of april, but reto— start on the 30th of april, but we ot— start on the 30th of april, but 74% of unison _ start on the 30th of april, but 74% of unison members voted to accept— 74% of unison members voted to accept the— 74% of unison members voted to accept the some— 74% of unison members voted to accept the same offer . meanwhile accept the same offer. meanwhile toyot— accept the same offer. meanwhile toyot trott— accept the same offer. meanwhile toyot root out— accept the same offer. meanwhile royal mail and the— accept the same offer. meanwhile royal mail and the communication uoreret— royal mail and the communication worerte untou— royal mail and the communication workers union have— royal mail and the communication workers union have reached a teet— workers union have reached a teot ou— workers union have reached a teot ow pow— workers union have reached a deal on pay and— workers union have reached a deal on pay and employment terme— deal on pay and employment terme tu— deal on pay and employment terms to o— deal on pay and employment terms. in a statement , the cwu terms. in a statement, the cwu eut— terms. in a statement, the cwu eott tree— terms. in a statement, the cwu said the agreement will be considered— said the agreement will be considered by— said the agreement will be considered by the executive of the wrou— considered by the executive of the union before— considered by the executive of the union before being voted on by the union before being voted on tow the— the union before being voted on tow the urtorte— the union before being voted on by the union's membership . by the union's membership. oetotte— by the union's membership. uetotte ou— by the union's membership. details on that— by the union's membership. details on that agreement are

expected— details on that agreement are expected next— details on that agreement are expected next week . the shadow expected next week. the shadow tweet— expected next week. the shadow ormet toreee— expected next week. the shadow armed forces minister has told gb armed forces minister has told or new— armed forces minister has told or new o— armed forces minister has told gb news a blind— armed forces minister has told gb news a blind eye is being turret— gb news a blind eye is being turret to— gb news a blind eye is being turned to predators around parliament. _ turned to predators around parliament. luke pollard has teeerttet— parliament. luke pollard has described westminster as the most— described westminster as the most unprofessional workplace tre-e— most unprofessional workplace he's encountered.— most unprofessional workplace he's encountered. speaking to etorto— he's encountered. speaking to etorto toe— he's encountered. speaking to gloria de piero,_ he's encountered. speaking to gloria de piero, the mp who has reeeuttw— gloria de piero, the mp who has recently announced— gloria de piero, the mp who has recently announced he'll step toot— recently announced he'll step toot troru — recently announced he'll step back from politics, says victims of back from politics, says victims ot otuee — back from politics, says victims ot otuee out— back from politics, says victims of abuse and bullying are reoeotettw— of abuse and bullying are repeatedly being let down. i etu— repeatedly being let down. i etttt tort-t— repeatedly being let down. i still don't think— repeatedly being let down. i still don't think westminster is a still don't think westminster is o eate— still don't think westminster is o eote otoee— still don't think westminster is o eote rotate to— still don't think westminster is a safe place to work, especially for a safe place to work, especially tor rearw— a safe place to work, especially tor mouw ot— a safe place to work, especially for many of the— a safe place to work, especially for many of the young members of stutt— for many of the young members of etott treet— for many of the young members of etott ttot wre— for many of the young members of staff that mps employ. ' t: for many of the young members of staff that mps employ. ' r: staff that mps employ. and we trow— staff that mps employ. and we know that— staff that mps employ. and we know that there are predators around westminster that are sometimes is allowed to continue to or a blind eye turned . and i to or a blind eye turned. and i want to see that changed because i think westminster should embody the very best of our country . it should be a place country. it should be a place that people aspire to get elected to and then want to change the world from a position of strength. and i'm afraid at the moment i sometimes feel westminster the rest of the westminster lets the rest of the country down and can see country down and you can see that full interview with the shadow armed forces minister

luke pollard on gloria meets tomorrow p.m. luke pollard on gloria meets tomorrow pm. the scottish tomorrow at 6 pm. the scottish government— tomorrow at 6 pm. the scottish government is— �*7 the scottish government is considering trotttue— government is considering trotttue tu— government is considering drafting in the— government is considering drafting in the army to help run the key— drafting in the army to help run the key highland— drafting in the army to help run the key highland ferry service. it's the key highland ferry service. tt-e otter— the key highland ferry service. we otter o— the key highland ferry service. it's after a vessel— the key highland ferry service. it's after a vessel broke down teet— it's after a vessel broke down toot trttow— it's after a vessel broke down last friday, resulting in a 42 rotte— last friday, resulting in a 42 mile diversion— last friday, resulting in a 42 mile diversion for prospective poeeewereg — mile diversion for prospective passengers. the— mile diversion for prospective passengers. the five minute eroeetue— passengers. the five minute crossing usually— passengers. the five minute crossing usually carries more then— crossing usually carries more than 270,000— crossing usually carries more than 270,000 cars a year. well, ourreuttw— than 270,000 cars a year. well, currently there's— than 270,000 cars a year. well, currently there's only a foot pueeeweer— currently there's only a foot passenger service operating twtee— passenger service operating twtee o— passenger service operating twtee o tow— passenger service operating twice a day to— passenger service operating twice a day to tv online dab+ tatto— twice a day to tv online dab+ rotto. aut— twice a day to tv online dab+ rotto. art on— twice a day to tv online dab+ radio. and on tune— twice a day to tv online dab+ radio. and on tune in this is gb wewe. — radio. and on tune in this is gb wewe. wow— radio. and on tune in this is gb news. now to— radio. and on tune in this is gb news. now it's back to the . news. now it's back to the. soturtow— news. now it's back to the. saturday five. _ saturday five. vee- saturday five. wee rt- saturday five. yes it is- saturday five. yes it is saturday saturday five. _ yes it is saturday night. toure— yes it is saturday night. route wttt— yes it is saturday night. you're with the- yes it is saturday night. you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver. i can promise that you are for in a very lively hour. we will debate some of the biggest talking points of

the week. no point messing around. get stuck into around. so let's get stuck into our discussion now, then our first discussion now, then darren going to tell us why darren is going to tell us why donald regaining the donald trump regaining the presidency would be good for britain . let's start the clock. britain. let's start the clock. well, folks, look , president well, folks, look, president biden's just gone and i say good riddance to bad rubbish because president biden does not like britain. he's made that oteotutetw— britain. he's made that absolutely clear.- " he's made that absolutely clear. whilst he was here,— absolutely clear. whilst he was were, we— absolutely clear. whilst he was here, he -taken_ absolutely clear. whilst he was here, he taken selfies with here, he was taken selfies with eerw— here, he was taken selfies with gerry atoms— here, he was taken selfies with gerry adams for— here, he was taken selfies with gerry adams for goodness sake. treetteut— gerry adams for goodness sake. president trump— gerry adams for goodness sake. president trump would never have tone — president trump would never have tone—wtttet- president trump would never have done _whilst he - president trump would never have done _whilst he was. done such a thing whilst he was here.— done such a thing whilst he was here. we— done such a thing whilst he was here. he snubbed— done such a thing whilst he was here. he snubbed rishi sunak getttue— here. he snubbed rishi sunak getttwe ott— here. he snubbed rishi sunak getting off that— here. he snubbed rishi sunak getting off that plane and wetttue— getting off that plane and visiting northern ireland and oetuottw— visiting northern ireland and actually having— visiting northern ireland and actually having a sit down, a totte— actually having a sit down, a totte, oe— actually having a sit down, a totte, oe thew— actually having a sit down, a latte, as they called it, with treetteut, — latte, as they called it, with president, with _ latte, as they called it, with president, with prime minister trott— president, with prime minister ttett sweet.— president, with prime minister rishi sunak. he— president, with prime minister rishi sunak. he couldn't even ttutet— rishi sunak. he couldn't even ttutet rte— rishi sunak. he couldn't even finish his coffee— rishi sunak. he couldn't even finish his coffee before biden ott— finish his coffee before biden ott. ._ finish his coffee before biden was off. i reckon— finish his coffee before biden was off. i reckon we need treetteut— was off. i reckon we need president trump back in the wette— president trump back in the white house— president trump back in the white house and then the special retottouetto— white house and then the special relationship will— white house and then the special relationship will be special oeutu. — relationship will be special ogotu. we— relationship will be special again. he loved— relationship will be special again. he loved this country. he woutt— again. he loved this country. he woutt towe— again. he loved this country. he would have loved— again. he loved this country. he would have loved to come to the eorottou— would have loved to come to the eorottou tu— would have loved to come to the coronation in respect of our tote— coronation in respect of our tote wot-ew— coronation in respect of our late majesty. he- coronation in respect of our late majesty. he would have otteret— late majesty. he would have otteret o— late majesty. he would have offered a trade— late majesty. he would have offered a trade deal in an

tuetout— offered a trade deal in an instant with— offered a trade deal in an instant with britain. he was for tutore— instant with britain. he was for orttotu tor— instant with britain. he was for britain for brexit,_ instant with britain. he was for britain for brexit, for boris, out— britain for brexit, for boris, out ._ britain for brexit, for boris, and i reckon— britain for brexit, for boris, and i reckon we— britain for brexit, for boris, and i reckon we would be all the better— and i reckon we would be all the better rt— and i reckon we would be all the better tt te— and i reckon we would be all the better if he was— and i reckon we would be all the better if he was back in the wette— better if he was back in the white house— better if he was back in the white house over slow. joe biden rtett— white house over slow. joe biden rtett attte— white house over slow. joe biden right albie then— white house over slow. joe biden right albie then come on. oh dower — right albie then come on. oh darren. darren. _ right albie then come on. oh darren. l t right albie then come on. oh darren. l l t darren. darren. darren darren. do you not remember what it was like when we had donald trump as the president? there were no united states and the prime minister of this country, boris johnson or theresa may. those weren't comfortable relationships with those prime ministers. and i think the idea that anglo american relations are going to improve if donald trump is elected as the president in 2024 now is for the birds. so president in 2024 now is for the birds . so you reckon president birds. so you reckon president otter— birds. so you reckon president otter woutt— birds. so you reckon president biden would be— at; so you reckon president biden would be better for t:3 so you reckon president biden would be better for the tttoterot— biden would be better for the bilateral relationship? i think otmoet— bilateral relationship? i think otmoet onw— bilateral relationship? i think almost any president would be better— almost any president would be better trou— almost any president would be better than donald trump. i ton-t— better than donald trump. i ton-t even— better than donald trump. i don't even want— better than donald trump. i don't even want to - better than donald trump. i don't even want to see- better than donald trump. i don't even want to see donald trump win the republican trump to win the republican nomination. i'd like see nomination. i'd like to see nikki haley it. i mean, nikki haley win it. i mean, dominic, on. nikki haley win it. i mean, dominic,-on. right.- dominic, come on. right. treetteut— dominic, come on. right. president clearly dominic, come on. right.- president-clearly doesn't president biden clearly doesn't like president biden clearly doesn't tre-country— president biden clearly doesn't like-country very- president biden clearly doesn't like country very much. like this country very much. i

meanicome-like- like this country very much. i mean come fl like this country very much. i mean come " �*" like this country very much. i- meanicome-like even if you mean, come on. like even if you dislike trump, which you clearly do, and believe that he wouldn't be stopped the second coming of christ for this country, you can at least admit that biden and really just seem to be a sort of democrat attitude towards this country, particularly after brexit. they're not so friendly ommorew ._ brexit. they're not so friendly anymore. i mean,— mix e they're not so friendly anymore. i mean, my personal wew— anymore. i mean, my personal te— anymore. i mean, my personal te trot— anymore. i mean, my personal view is that this— anymore. i mean, my personal view is that this whole special retottommo— view is that this whole special relationship thing, i think it tett— relationship thing, i think it tett mort— relationship thing, i think it tett oport o— relationship thing, i think it fell apart a long time ago. but. attem— fell apart a long time ago. but. ottem wou— fell apart a long time ago. but. biden, you really— fell apart a long time ago. but. biden, you really think he's trot— biden, you really think he's that friendly— biden, you really think he's that friendly with this country? the — that friendly with this country? the comments— that friendly with this country? the comments that he's made about— the comments that he's made about tweet,— the comments that he's made about brexit, the— the comments that he's made about brexit, the comments that tre-e— about brexit, the comments that tree mote— about brexit, the comments that he's made about— about brexit, the comments that he's made about the english in he's made about the engliin in his he's made about the english in we own— he's made about the english in his own autobiography , you know, his own autobiography, you know, the trot— his own autobiography, you know, the ttet goes— his own autobiography, you know, the list goes on.— his own autobiography, you know, the list goes on. i— his own autobiography, you know, the list goes on. i mean, eemtomtm— the list goes on. i mean, benjamin, did- the list goes on. i mean, benjamin, did it bother you at out — benjamin, did it bother you at out soon— benjamin, did it bother you at all? seen him— benjamin, did it bother you at all? " g benjamin, did it bother you at all? " " g l g all? seen him posing, smiling like a cheshire cat with gerry adams ? i mean, i think it's adams? i mean, i think it's towm— adams? i mean, i think it's towm rte— adams? i mean, i think it's down. it's down.— 3“ i mean, i think it's down. it's down. falls recently towe— down. it's down. falls recently have teem— down. it's down. falls recently have been sort— down. it's down. falls recently have been sort of— down. it's down. falls recently have been sort of gerry adams mt— have been sort of gerry adams and geriatrics,— have been sort of gerry adams and geriatrics, frankly . you and geriatrics, frankly. you mow— and geriatrics, frankly. you know that's— and geriatrics, frankly. you know that's you know those are tmmee— know that's you know those are terms trot— know that's you know those are things that don't— know that's you know those are things that don't go in his towour. — things that don't go in his towour. eut— things that don't go in his favour. but i— things that don't go in his favour. but i think that britain meets— favour. but i think that britain meets to— favour. but i think that britain needs to take— favour. but i think that britain needs to take a— favour. but i think that britain needs to take a hard look at tteett— needs to take a hard look at itself because— needs to take a hard look at itself because the reason that we-mot— itself because the reason that we-mot ot— itself because the reason that we - not at the _ itself because the reason that we-not at the top - itself because the reason that we not at the top of the we are not at the top of the trot— we are not at the top of the trot-rt— we are not at the top of the list-it comes- we are not at the top of the list-it comes to- we are not at the top of the list it comes to america in

list when it comes to america in a list when it comes to america in _we twe- list when it comes to america in a we were the reason a way that we were the reason trot— a way that we were the reason that attem— a way that we were the reason that biden isn't— a way that we were the reason that biden isn't prioritising the that biden isn't prioritising tte umtet— that biden isn't prioritising the united kingdom in a way that was-commonplace- the united kingdom in a way that was commonplace before was more commonplace before is because— was more commonplace before is because-decisions— was more commonplace before is because decisions we've because of decisions we've made ourselves-that's- because of decisions we've made ourselves that's brexit ourselves, whether that's brexit mt— ourselves, whether that's brexit amt-wormed— ourselves, whether that's brexit and-warned us,- ourselves, whether that's brexit and warned us, the us did, and they warned us, the us did, trot— and they warned us, the us did, that wet— and they warned us, the us did, that we-t te— and they warned us, the us did, that we'd be at— and they warned us, the us did, that we'd be at the— and they warned us, the us did, that we'd be at the back of the queue— that we'd be at the back of the queue or— that we'd be at the back of the queue or whether— that we'd be at the back of the queue or whether did queue or whether democrats did or whether— queue or whether democrats did or whether it's— queue or whether democrats did or whether it's failing to stand otoee— or whether it's failing to stand otoee to— or whether it's failing to stand close to america— or whether it's failing to stand close to america in other ways. i close to america in other ways. . meow— close to america in other ways. . mt— close to america in other ways. i mean, and the— close to america in other ways. i mean, and the truth is that i tmmt— i mean, and the truth is that i tmmt treet— i mean, and the truth is that i think that we— i mean, and the truth is that i think that we should look at ourselves not— think that we should look at ourselves not whingeing about mm— ourselves not whingeing about mm liking— ourselves not whingeing about him liking ireland the him liking ireland over the last eouote— him liking ireland over the last eoupteltowe. — him liking ireland over the last couple-days. it's- him liking ireland over the last couple days. t: him liking ireland over the last couple days. e t: f couple of days. it's quite clear to me that the american population are a more than population are a lot more than the party right? the the democratic party right? the democratic like democratic party didn't like brexit. whakaari brexit. they like whakaari and walkeri and frankly, turning american crime american cities into crime fidden american cities into crime ridden holes. yes, american cities into crime ridden holes . yes, i think ridden hell holes. yes, i think a lot of ridden hell holes. yes, i think u tot ot peopte— ridden hell holes. yes, i think a lot of people well,- ” acct“ yes, i think a lot of people well, we've ” t:t:ti;" yes, i think a lot of people well, we've seen tow— a lot of people well, we've seen how peoote— a lot of people well, we've seen how peopte mowe— a lot of people well, we've seen how people have been moved ing young,— how people have been moved ing young, aspirational— how people have been moved ing young, aspirational people have teem— young, aspirational people have teem-trom— young, aspirational people have been from democrat states been moving from democrat states to—etotee— been moving from democrat states to_states because - to republican states because thew— to republican states because they wom— to republican states because they want lower— to republican states because they want lower taxes. it; to republican states because they want lower taxes. "cg they want lower taxes. they want tem— they want lower taxes. they want less burden. but— they want lower taxes. they want less burden. but we've- they want lower taxes. "cg cc" but we've also they want lower taxes. "cg t:ti:�* but we've also seen less burden. but we've also seen young— less burden. but we've also seen young wome— less burden. but we've also seen young mowe— t:ti:�* but we've also seen young women move from red states to ttue— young women move from red states to ttue etotee— young women move from red states to blue states because they want to blue states because they want to move— to blue states because they want to have access— to blue states because they want to have access to— to blue states because they want to have access to abortion. but if to have access to abortion. but tt we— to have access to abortion. but tt we tott— to have access to abortion. but if we talk about— to have access to abortion. but if we talk about the economy and thatis if we talk about the economy and that is one of the major reasons

why people move around the us, that's one of the major reasons why around the why people move around the world. buti why people move around the world. but i do think it's quite extroorttmow— world. but i do think it's quite extraordinary that— : but i do think it's quite extraordinary that president ottem— extraordinary that president tttem te— extraordinary that president biden is even— extraordinary that president biden is even considering running— running again for the presidential presidential presidential as a presidential eomtttote. — presidential as a presidential candidate. -really- presidential as a presidential candidate. ”tinting t: candidate. it is really quite extraordinary in terms of extraordinary just in terms of the way he is able to communicate or not able to communicate or not able to communicate and get across his message to the country. it really is quite extraordinary trot— really is quite extraordinary that-would— really is quite extraordinary that would consider really is quite extraordinary that-would consider but i that he would consider it. but i ttmt— that he would consider it. but i ttmt wttt— that he would consider it. but i think what should rule out think what should rule him out is absolute disastrous is the absolute disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan that should rule him out as being president. in my view . should rule him out as being president. in my view. i'll be on that point then. i mean, on the afghanistan question , it was the afghanistan question, it was it's proven right. you can look back at the four years in office that donald trump had. there were no intervention zones. there were no wars like that. there were no wars like that. there were no disastrous pull outs. actually, president biden, president rather, president trump, rather, presided over the west actually being emboldened to stand up to the likes of china, to iran, for example . and there were no example. and there were no escalations of the kind that we've seen since president biden

. darren, i'm so pleased that you brought up the disastrous afghan pullout because you know who's responsible . motty that who's responsible. motty that was who's responsible. motty that oomott— who's responsible. motty that was donald trump.— who's responsible. motty that was donald trump. he- motty that was donald trump. he would never towe— was donald trump. he would never have tome— was donald trump. he would never have tome tt— was donald trump. he would never have done it was— was donald trump. he would never have done it was donald trump who— have done it was donald trump wto toeteottw— have done it was donald trump who basically organised that tteoetroue— who basically organised that disastrous pullout from afghanistan.- disastrous pullout from afghanistan. yes it did happen umter— afghanistan. yes it did happen umter attem— afghanistan. yes it did happen under biden, but— afghanistan. yes it did happen under biden, but stewarded by trump.— under biden, but stewarded by trump. the— under biden, but stewarded by trump, the iran— under biden, but stewarded by trump, the iran deal that we had— trump, the iran deal that we met. the— trump, the iran deal that we had, the iran— trump, the iran deal that we had, the iran deal that we had, wmem— had, the iran deal that we had, wmem stopped— had, the iran deal that we had, which stopped iran from emtemme— which stopped iran from enriching uranium to make mueeort— enriching uranium to make nuclear weapons. donald trump outtet— nuclear weapons. donald trump puttet out— nuclear weapons. donald trump puttet out ot— nuclear weapons. donald trump pulled out of it.— nuclear weapons. donald trump pulled out of it. yes, because so pulled out of it. yes, because to tree— pulled out of it. yes, because to the wee— pulled out of it. yes, because so the idea the— pulled out of it. yes, because so the idea the idea the idea trot— so the idea the idea the idea that oomott— so the idea the idea the idea that donald trump is better for international— that donald trump is better for international relations is toreteot— international relations is toreteot. — international relations is farcical . albie- international relations is farcical . ti; : international relations is farcical . ti; t:ti:�* farcical. albie biden also rhetorically at least, gave the green light for russia to invade ukraine. he said a suggested that a little bit going to russia would be okay. i think that he hasn't shown a strong stance when it comes . do you? stance when it comes. do you? honestly, stance when it comes. do you? uomeettw t-m— stance when it comes. do you? honestly, i'm no— stance when it comes. do you? honestly, i'm no trump- f i e f do you? honestly, i'm no trump fan, but i honestly, i'm no trump fan, but t tom-t— honestly, i'm no trump fan, but t tom-t tmmt— honestly, i'm no trump fan, but i don't think you— honestly, i'm no trump fan, but i don't think you can argue that treettemt— i don't think you can argue that president biden— i don't think you can argue that president biden has been good for president biden has been good tor amerteo— president biden has been good for america geopolitically , but for america geopolitically, but i for america geopolitically, but t tom-t— for america geopolitically, but t tom-t tmmt— for america geopolitically, but i don't think you— for america geopolitically, but i don't think you can. yes, meme— i don't think you can. yes, pteoee to. — i don't think you can. yes, please do. gift“ i don't think you can. yes,- please do. afghanistan, because i just think you're factually incorrect there when donald trump was president,

incorrect there when donald trump was president , the taliban trump was president, the taliban were under control . and the were under control. and the minute joe biden took office, they started gaining more ground and biden and the biden administration, whoever's responsible for international relations , they were aware that relations, they were aware that the taliban were expanding and they chose to do nothing. and that's why the withdrawal was so disastrous. they even left weapons and aircraft behind . you weapons and aircraft behind. you cannot blame that on a previous president on that fundamental point , though, and emily, i'll point, though, and emily, i'll put this to you . i mean, the put this to you. i mean, the teet— put this to you. i mean, the toet ot— put this to you. i mean, the toet ot the— put this to you. i mean, the fact of the matter- put this to you. i mean, the fact of the matter is,- i mean, the fact of the matter is, right, we in fact of the matter is, right, we tm ottom— fact of the matter is, right, we in britain was— fact of the matter is, right, we in britain was not— fact of the matter is, right, we in britain was not a us meettemt— in britain was not a us president that actually quite twee— president that actually quite tttee twe— president that actually quite likes the country. and it's eteor— likes the country. and it's eteor to— likes the country. and it's clear to me— likes the country. and it's clear to me in— likes the country. and it's clear to me in everything that otter— clear to me in everything that tttem oto.— clear to me in everything that biden did, saying— clear to me in everything that biden did, saying he wouldn't to— biden did, saying he wouldn't to tree— biden did, saying he wouldn't come to the coronation, even savingr— come to the coronation, even eowtme. you— come to the coronation, even eowtme. you mow.— come to the coronation, even saying, you know, the selfie wttt— saying, you know, the selfie wttt terry— saying, you know, the selfie with gerry adams, i can't stress emouet— with gerry adams, i can't stress emouet tow— with gerry adams, i can't stress enough how much— with gerry adams, i can't stress enough how much that actually reottw— enough how much that actually reottw-wtme— enough how much that actually really-wins me,— enough how much that actually really wins me, frankly, to really paid wins me, frankly, to trot— really paid wins me, frankly, to see that selfie— really paid wins me, frankly, to see that selfie with gerry adams and see that selfie with gerry adams out oetuottw— see that selfie with gerry adams and actually just— see that selfie with gerry adams and actually just the way the sme— and actually just the way the smile across— and actually just the way the smile across his— and actually just the way the smile across his face, i think |, smile across his face, i think ., r— smile across his face, i think ., t agree — smile across his face, i think ., t ogree tut— smile across his face, i think i, i agree. but i— smile across his face, i think i, i agree. butl do- smile across his face, i think i, i agree. t:tit i, i agree. but i do think that we don't want to view donald trump with rose tinted glasses

because he talked a good game. he did talk about how boris johnson was, you know, britain's trump . he talked about how trump. he talked about how brexit was this fantastic thing and it mirrored his his leadership in the united states . but actually, he didn't push forward with a trade deal. he didn't push forward with those things. he was rather protectionist in his outlook. he wasn't thinking about, oh, free trade with the uk is going to be fantastic. so i think we should look at them both as very different people and decide whether on balance either would be the best person. dominique i oetuottw— be the best person. dominique i oetuottw tttmt— be the best person. dominique i actually think that— dominique i actually think that brexit, the routes— actually think that brexit, the parallels between brexit and trump.— parallels between brexit and trump, whilst— parallels between brexit and trump, whilst they are different . otwtouetw— trump, whilst they are different , obviously leaving , obviously it was leaving a potttteot— , obviously it was leaving a political bloc— , obviously it was leaving a political bloc there are political bloc. there are similarities— political bloc. there are similarities sense of political bloc. there are- similarities-sense of it similarities in the sense of it tree— similarities in the sense of it was the deplorables right ? it was the deplorables right? it tree— was the deplorables right? it was the people— was the deplorables right? it was the people that shouldn't oetuottw— was the people that shouldn't oetuottw get— was the people that shouldn't oetuottw get o— was the people that shouldn't actually get a say over omwtttmg— actually get a say over anything. donald trump their anything. donald trump was their mom-oetuottw— anything. donald trump was their mom-oetuottw .— anything. donald trump was their man-actually , if— anything. donald trump was their man actually , if only we had man and actually, if only we had a man and actually, if only we had o oomoto— man and actually, if only we had o oomoto trump— man and actually, if only we had a donald trump here in britain. rem.— a donald trump here in britain. rem-otto— a donald trump here in britain. rem-oue oo— a donald trump here in britain. yeah-also so it— a donald trump here in britain. yeah-also so it was- a donald trump here in britain. yeah-also so it was about. yeah. and also so it was about the deplorables sort of narrative of people, you know, the certain people that should have and shouldn't have have a voice and shouldn't have a it's also about

a voice. but it's also about wanting to put our respective countries first actually countries first and actually prioritise and, prioritise our interests. and, you know, i'm not mad at donald trump for that protectionism gets very bad rap, i think in gets a very bad rap, i think in the grand scheme of things. you know, if things are beneficial for that nation state, they should right? should be pursued, right? that's it. the klaxon has eoumteet— that's it. the klaxon has sounded, i'm— that's it. the klaxon has sounded, i'm afraid to announce. up sounded, i'm afraid to announce. to meet.— sounded, i'm afraid to announce. up meet. to— sounded, i'm afraid to announce. up next, it's benjamin and he's going— up next, it's benjamin and he's gotmg to— up next, it's benjamin and he's gotmg to ten— up next, it's benjamin and he's gotmg to tett ue— up next, it's benjamin and he's going to tell us why sam smith is going to tell us why sam smith to oggoremttw— going to tell us why sam smith to oggoremttw o— going to tell us why sam smith is apparently a great role mooet— is apparently a great role model. start— is apparently a great role model. start the clock. buckle up,— model. start the clock. buckle up. orttotm — model. start the clock. buckle up, britain. sam— model. start the clock. buckle up, britain. sam smith is a role model because they have been and they are using they them pronouns, which i'm sure the rest of the panel will stick to this week. sam has been labelled as a satanist and a. why well, because at the first edition of their tour in sheffield, they were seen gyrating in a thong and in a music video you can watch sam smith being sprayed with fountains of water surrounded by scantily clad dancers. well you know what i

say. good on them. but also some people say that it might be like paedophilia because what if kids see this stuff? well, the truth is no kid has to watch a music video. and if a parent takes them to a concert by sam smith, well, that's something called parental responsibility , not the parental responsibility, not the fault of the pop star seconds . fault of the pop star seconds. and so that's why i say that we should celebrate sam smith as a great british success story . and great british success story. and the squad should . oh god. the god squad should. oh god. now i i'm sure that hasn't ruffled any feathers at all. dominic, do you believe in freedom? i don't think he's a great british success story at all. ithink great british success story at all. i think it's a really sad tttmg— all. i think it's a really sad tmmg wrote— i think it's a really sad thing what's happened to sam smttm — thing what's happened to sam smttm ue-o— thing what's happened to sam smith. : smith. he's spiralled into the depths of depravity . and that's depths of depravity. and that's what's depths of depravity. and that's wtot-e reottw— depths of depravity. and that's what's really sad— : : eat and that's what's really sad because he has an what's really sad because he has om omoztmg— what's really sad because he has an amazing voice— what's really sad because he has an amazing voice . _ what's really sad because he has an amazing voice . /tit. what's really sad because he has an amazing voice . v/tit. an amazing voice. you know, he too— an amazing voice. you know, he has a soulful, angelic voice. and instead of using that beautiful voice to uplift people and make them feel good, he's using it to promote his own

interests by just being gross and disgusting . i mean, interests by just being gross and disgusting. i mean, i'm sorry. but first of all, sam smttt— sorry. but first of all, sam smttt toe— sorry. but first of all, sam smith has six— but first of all, sam smith has six grammys, an oscar, a smith has six grammys, an oscar, o gotten— smith has six grammys, an oscar, o gotoem mote.— smith has six grammys, an oscar, a golden globe. he's— smith has six grammys, an oscar, a golden globe. he's talented, ot— a golden globe. he's talented, ot the— a golden globe. he's talented, one of the most— a golden globe. he's talented, one of the most successful ortttet— one of the most successful british artists— one of the most successful british artists that we have ever produced— british artists that we have ever produced ._ british artists that we have ever produced . and the idea that ever produced. and the idea that you etotm — ever produced. and the idea that you etotm to— ever produced. and the idea that you claim to care— ever produced. and the idea that you claim to care about freedom . tut— you claim to care about freedom . tut trem— you claim to care about freedom . tut ttem ott— you claim to care about freedom , but then sit there— you claim to care about freedom , but then sit there and try and otetote— , but then sit there and try and otetote wtot— , but then sit there and try and dictate what clothing, what emote— dictate what clothing, what more ot— dictate what clothing, what shape of cloth— dictate what clothing, what shape of cloth someone can wear or wrot— shape of cloth someone can wear or wtot otter— shape of cloth someone can wear or what other people in this eoumtrw— or what other people in this eoumtrw eo— or what other people in this country can celebrate as art trot— country can celebrate as art ttot tom-t— country can celebrate as art that isn't freedom. that's twomw. — that isn't freedom. that's tyranny. jtiti i rt. that isn't freedom. that's tyranny. jtiti i ti. that isn't freedom. that's tyranny. jtit i ti. titti; that isn't freedom. that's- tyranny. dominic, you are. you are waxing lyrical here. you sound very moralistic and quite frankly, deluded in my opinion. i'm not saying that sam smith should be arrested for being gross. i'm saying that sam smith is being gross and should be mindful about his behaviour. yeah. yes, it's a parent's responsibility . whether or not responsibility. whether or not they they take child to sam they they take a child to sam smith concert. but why does sam smith concert. but why does sam smith feel the need to expose himself in such a gross way? and i think it denigrates his actual talent. as far as i'm concerned. to— talent. as far as i'm concerned. to mot— talent. as far as i'm concerned. to not otout— talent. as far as i'm concerned. it's not about need.— as far as i'm concerned. it's not about need. it's about

the— it's not about need. it's about the toet— it's not about need. it's about the fact that— it's not about need. it's about the fact that people can do what they— the fact that people can do what thew-o— the fact that people can do what thew-o tree— the fact that people can do what they-a free country. - the fact that people can do what they a free country. but they want in a free country. but toot.— they want in a free country. but toot. wou— they want in a free country. but toot. you mow.— they want in a free country. but look, you know, darren, what do you— look, you know, darren, what do you-ot— look, you know, darren, what do you-ottmee — look, you know, darren, what do you-of this? well,- look, you know, darren, what do you of this? kittie. you make of this? well, look, i saw video of a and i think it saw a video of a and i think it was outside one of his concerts. there little five year old there was a little five year old girl and her mother was saying, oh, loves you. she dances, oh, she loves you. she dances, she all your dance she does all of your dance moves. i thought, for the moves. and i thought, for the love she does the dance love of god, she does the dance moves because he's wearing next to he's gyrating and to nothing. he's gyrating and rubbing himself and all the rest of it. what happened this of it. what happened to this beautiful, voice beautiful, angelic british voice , this lovely, looking , this lovely, lovely looking bloke who, you know, back then, i think a fair few of us on this panel would probably have said was good looking. right. well, may i just explain to viewers at home what exactly he was looking like? if you haven't seen it? ue-e— like? if you haven't seen it? he's basically— like? if you haven't seen it? he's basically a— l , if you haven't seen it? he's basically a slightly owerwetgtt— he's basically a slightly overweight man who is a very poputor— overweight man who is a very pogutor etmger. — overweight man who is a very popular singer. he was well gorootmg— popular singer. he was well gorootmg me— popular singer. he was well parading his body on stage in a sporty— parading his body on stage in a eporttw thong.— parading his body on stage in a eporttw tmomg. t— parading his body on stage in a sparkly thong. i think fishnet, perhap5_ sparkly thong. i think fishnet, perhaps fishnet— sparkly thong. i think fishnet, perhaps fishnet thigh high boots perhaps fishnet thigh hiin boots or perhaps fishnet thigh high boots or omtte— perhaps fishnet thigh high boots or omtte mgr— perhaps fishnet thigh high boots or ankle high boots or whatever, toottmg— or ankle high boots or whatever, toottmg very— or ankle high boots or whatever, looking very provocative, doing very— looking very provocative, doing very wett— looking very provocative, doing very weird dance _ looking very provocative, doing very weird dance moves. looking very provocative, doing very weird dance moves . yes, you

very weird dance moves. yes, you eouto— very weird dance moves. yes, you eouto orgue— very weird dance moves. yes, you eouto orgue tt-e— very weird dance moves. yes, you could argue it's kind of similar to wttew— could argue it's kind of similar to miley ewue— could argue it's kind of similar to miley cyrus or— could argue it's kind of similar to miley cyrus or madonna or oewomee— to miley cyrus or madonna or oewomee m— to miley cyrus or madonna or beyonce in some— to miley cyrus or madonna or beyonce in some points in her we.— beyonce in some points in her me. out— beyonce in some points in her me. out t— beyonce in some points in her life. but i think— beyonce in some points in her life. but i think the thing that omow— life. but i think the thing that omow geome— life. but i think the thing that annoys people is— life. but i think the thing that annoys people is sam smith has tott— annoys people is sam smith has our geome— annoys people is sam smith has told people that— annoys people is sam smith has told people that they must call mm.— told people that they must call mm. mew— told people that they must call mm. they ttem— told people that they must call him. they them ._ told people that they must call him. they them . he says that he him. they them. he says that he is him. they them. he says that he to known— him. they them. he says that he to known ttmorw— him. they them. he says that he is known binary and as part of tute— is known binary and as part of two wrote.— is known binary and as part of two wtote. t— is known binary and as part of this whole, i guess, exploration of this whole, i guess, exploration ot me— this whole, i guess, exploration ot me ew— this whole, i guess, exploration of his new identity, it does seem rather— of his new identity, it does seem rather over the top , seem rather over the top, ottemttom— seem rather over the top, attention seeking and perhaps a ttttte— attention seeking and perhaps a ttttte o— attention seeking and perhaps a little a little _ attention seeking and perhaps a little a little gross. but of course, we have the freedom to oteogmowe— course, we have the freedom to oteopmowe omo— course, we have the freedom to disapprove and he— course, we have the freedom to disapprove and he has the treeoom— disapprove and he has the treeoom to— disapprove and he has the freedom to do— disapprove and he has the freedom to do it. i freedom to do it. i mean, look, sam smith has said that when they were a teenager, when they were at school, they wore what were at school, they wore what we consider clothes. we consider female clothes. so the that just the idea the idea that it just the idea that it popped up as a publicity stunt i think is unfair. no, i don't think that's unfair at all. i think it's very evident ttot— all. i think it's very evident ttot m— all. i think it's very evident that in today's— i think it's very evident that in today's society, the more gross you _ that in today's society, the more gross you can be, the more proge— more gross you can be, the more more wou-tt— more gross you can be, the more props you'u get— more gross you can be, the more props you'll get from the oteguettmg— props you'll get from the disgusting hollywood elite. but i disgusting hollywood elite. but twouto— disgusting hollywood elite. but twouto tuet— disgusting hollywood elite. but i would just say— disgusting hollywood elite. but i would just say lastly, when geome— i would just say lastly, when people mention— i would just say lastly, when people mention beyonce, madonna

. wttew— people mention beyonce, madonna . miley come.— people mention beyonce, madonna , miley cyrus,idon't_ people mention beyonce, madonna , miley cyrus, don't think , miley cyrus, i don't think trot-e— , miley cyrus, i don't think ttot-e rtgtt— , miley cyrus, i don't think that's right either. and when geome— that's right either. and when geogte sav— that's right either. and when geogte eow tt— that's right either. and when people say it has to be one or tree— people say it has to be one or the otter.— people say it has to be one or the other wou— people say it has to be one or the other, you-it's- people say it has to be one or the other, you it's not the other, you know, it's not just— the other, you know, it's not tuet teeue— the other, you know, it's not just because non—binary, just because he's non—binary, tt-e— just because he's non—binary, rte—tee- just because he's non—binary, tt-e—te-e o- just because he's non—binary, it's—he's a man. it's not because he's a man. to— it's not because he's a man. tt-e-teeouee.— it's not because he's a man. it's-because, you- it's not because he's a man. it's because, you know, he's it's not because, you know, he's mot— it's not because, you know, he's mot gortteutortw— it's not because, you know, he's not particularly in— it's not because, you know, he's not particularly in shape. it's teeue— not particularly in shape. it's teeouee-tuet— not particularly in shape. it's because just gross. i because it's just gross. i mean, attte— because it's just gross. i mean, attte-wou— because it's just gross. i mean, attte-wou ever— because it's just gross. i mean, albie you ever celebrate albie did you ever celebrate these of artists when you these kind of artists when you were course i were a kid? yeah, of course i did. one of my favourite singers as child was christina as a child was christina aguilera. and my sisters were aguilera. me and my sisters were dropping we were dropping too dirty when we were in the early noughties. you know, were very doing know, we were very young doing that. can you give that. and i think, can you give us no, i won't do us a rendition? no, i won't do it the viewers won't want it now. the viewers won't want to see it. but. but the point is, dominique, i think there is something what benjamin something in what benjamin is saying freedom. freedom is saying about freedom. freedom is about people to do about fighting for people to do things vehemently things that you vehemently disagree is disagree with as much as it is to do with people that you really agree with and unfortunately, think it unfortunately, i think when it comes debates about sam comes to these debates about sam smith people who smith or other people who we disagree everyone disagree with, everyone says, oh, it's terrible he oh, it's terrible and he shouldn't it, let's ban shouldn't be doing it, let's ban it. that's freedom it. no, that's not what freedom is freedom is about is about. freedom is about people being free to do what they please as long as they please for as long as they're harming other they're not harming other people. and that's what i

believe anyone's the believe in. anyone's on the panel— believe in. anyone's on the pomet-wet— believe in. anyone's on the panel-yet said- believe in. anyone's on the panel-yet said that- i anyone's on the panel yet said that they panel has yet said that they wouto— panel has yet said that they wouto-tom- would outright ban it. dominique,- would outright ban it. dominique, you would outright ban it. dominique,.you we dominique, do you think we etouto— dominique, do you think we etouto-t- dominique, do you think we should-i don't- dominique, do you think we should-i don't i. dominique, do you think we. should-i don't i don't should ban it? i don't i don't think we should ban it. but you do. i don't think do. you do. i don't think you do. you spend all your time- e you spend all your time pretending toloutrogeo— spend all your time pretending to .outraged _the - spend all your time pretending to outraged the way to be outraged about the way ttot— to be outraged about the way trot—toots- to be outraged about the way that_ looks, that l to be outraged about the way. that—looks, that it's that sam smith looks, that it's ottemtwe— that sam smith looks, that it's ottemtwe to — that sam smith looks, that it's offensive to kids.— that sam smith looks, that it's offensive to kids. i think it is. offensive to kids. i think it to. mot-e— offensive to kids. i think it is. that's not— offensive to kids. i think it is. that's not calling for a tom— is. that's not calling for a tom t— is. that's not calling for a tom t tom-t— is. that's not calling for a ban. i don't know what is. e ban. i don't know what is. it is reottw— ban. i don't know what is. it is really tomogmg— ban. i don't know what is. it is really damaging for a child to dnnk really damaging for a child to drink and see that sort of drink in and see that sort of behaviour. no, it's yes, they they're nonsense. the gender identity will identity that child will then think that behaviour think that sort of behaviour that be who they want that they can be who they want to it's being who you want to be. it's being who you want to be. it's being who you want to it's not about being to be. it's not about being overtly sexual and wearing barely that is barely any clothing that is promoting incorrect very promoting an incorrect and very dangerous view of what one's self value is . one self value is self value is. one self value is not wearing your thigh high boots and dropping . that's boots and dropping. that's deluded. i'm sorry i help big rutttmg— 33: i'm sorry i help big man rubbing himself on a stage like man rubbing himself on a stage ttte trot— man rubbing himself on a stage ttte ttot . — man rubbing himself on a stage ttte ttot . t— man rubbing himself on a stage like that. i think— man rubbing himself on a stage like that . i think it's- man rubbing himself on a stage like that. e man rubbing himself on a stage like that . e tag like that. i think it's a cry for help because he's so desperately trying to convince everyone else that he's, you know, he's happy he's this role model. and i think behind the scenes,-probably- : and i think behind the scenes, probably quite scenes, he's probably quite

oegreeeeo. — scenes, he's probably quite depressed. t:tii e depressed. i'm sorry. i don't think i don't think sam smith is trying to convince you of anything. smith anything. dominique. sam smith is someone who is living their life, feels comfortable is someone who is living their life, body. eels comfortable is someone who is living their life, body. eels (the iortable is someone who is living their life, body. eels (the iortains, their body. and the truth is, let's be honest about this, that sam is a is a slightly larger quyt sam is a is a slightly larger guy, larger person, that guy, not larger person, not that big. but i'm a guy. but big. right. but i'm a guy. but yeah, by mistake but you yeah, by mistake you but you know what the if this was someone a six someone with a man with a six pack, if this was, you know, beyonce. pack, if this was, you know, beyonce . right. i don't think beyonce. right. i don't think you'd of the level of you'd see any of the level of outrage. don't think outrage. and i also don't think you'd it if it was you'd see it if it was a straight person. it's fat phobia and homophobia. i think it's trying to ram gender identity down of darren. how down the throats of darren. how is sam responsible for down the throats of darren. how is sam-responsible for one- : ti how is sam responsible for one of is sam is responsible for one of the more— is sam is responsible for one of the award ceremonies removing wroug— the award ceremonies removing wromg gemoer— the award ceremonies removing wrong gender gendered award. e wrong gender gendered award. it was wrong gender gendered award. it tor— wrong gender gendered award. it tor ttm — wrong gender gendered award. it was for him that_ wrong gender gendered award. it was for him that they— wrong gender gendered award. it was for him that they stopped doing female and male category, but that was happened. all the men won the spot, but that was a stupid decision in my opinion. on behalf of the organisers of the utter— on behalf of the organisers of the british awards and the erommwe.— the british awards and the grammys, not— the british awards and the grammys, not on sam smith. that etouto— grammys, not on sam smith. that etouto towe— grammys, not on sam smith. that should have been— grammys, not on sam smith. that should have been a— grammys, not on sam smith. that should have been a request that thew— should have been a request that they—responsibility. they denied this responsibility of they denied this responsibility ot—soml they denied this responsibility. ot—som smttt of the organisers, not sam smith for of the organisers, not sam smith tor—wmem—

of the organisers, not sam smith tor—wmem wou- of the organisers, not sam smith tor—wmem you go- of the organisers, not sam smith for when you go and for asking. and when you go and buy o— for asking. and when you go and buy o eomg— for asking. and when you go and buy o song. you— for asking. and when you go and buy a song, you don't get a etort— buy a song, you don't get a man's chart and— buy a song, you don't get a man's chart and a woman's chart eoet— man's chart and a woman's chart eoet weet. — man's chart and a woman's chart eoet week. you— man's chart and a woman's chart each week. you know the kind of owreoo— each week. you know the kind of awards-eligible- each week. you know the kind of awards-eligible for,- awards that we're eligible for, ute— awards that we're eligible for, tre—ot- awards that we're eligible for, ttte—ot twe- like best presenter at the wottomot— like best presenter at the. national-awards, national television awards, they tom-t— national television awards, they tout-o— national television awards, they tom-t-o-oom-t- don't have a they don't have a mote— don't have a they don't have a mote omo— don't have a they don't have a male and female— don't have a they don't have a male and female best presenter. they— male and female best presenter. mew-towe— male and female best presenter. they-have best— male and female best presenter. they have best presenter they just have best presenter troteeeor— they just have best presenter professor. be. _ they just have best presenter professor-be. icare- they just have best presenter professor be. titti�*jiil professor to be. i care about everyone. left wing, i'm everyone. i'm left wing, i'm woke you don't understand woke like, you don't understand the significance of the historical significance of having gendered categories. there were times where women in the music industry and otherwise weren't taken seriously, and that's it's still the case. that's why it's still the case. yeah, well , i that's why it's still the case. yeah, well, i mean, that's why it's still the case. yeah, well , i mean, there were yeah, well, i mean, there were no female british award winners. and the british there was no ortttet— and the british there was no british female _ and the british there was no british female winner at the trott— british female winner at the ottt-ttgtt - british female winner at the brit-right so- british female winner at the brit right g�*tq�*ljifil british female winner at the- brit-right so there you brit awards. right so there you go. brit awards. right so there you go-tuot— brit awards. right so there you go. just in generally, i'm go. and just in generally, i'm just that, by just worried by that, by propping people like sam propping up people like sam smith you know, smith that that, you know, promote selfish view of, promote this selfish view of, you know, pleasure at any cost. you know i need to drop. i need to wear heels at any cost just because i need to be happy. i'm scared the impact it has scared about the impact it has on children. well, speaking of motorw— on children. well, speaking of ttetorw-.— on children. well, speaking of ttetorw-. mgr- on children. well, speaking of history,-, high heels. history, lessons, high heels wrreeo-t- history, lessons, high heels were-for men.- history, lessons, high heels were for men. they were invented for men. they weemt— were invented for men. they weren't invented— were invented for men. they weren't invented for women. wett— weren't invented for women. wett. t-m— weren't invented for women. wett. t-m eure— weren't invented for women. well, i'm sure. so people can mgr— well, i'm sure. so people can wear high heels—

well, i'm sure. so people can wear high heels however they ttte. — wear high heels however they ttte. toot— wear high heels however they like. back in— wear high heels however they like. back in the— wear high heels however they like. i i £5th like. back in the day, they weren't going around in thigh high stripper heels. well, i think they'd high stripper heels. well, i. think they'd _ better high stripper heels. well, i- think they'd _ better if think they'd have been better if thew—wou— think they'd have been better if thew—you mow.- think they'd have been better if they you know. right they were. but, you know. right ttgtt— they were. but, you know. right tttgmt. mem— they were. but, you know. right right. then, emily, you seem to be right. then, emily, you seem to te m— right. then, emily, you seem to be m the— right. then, emily, you seem to be in the middle— right. then, emily, you seem to be in the middle this. do you be in the middle of this. do you not tmmt— be in the middle of this. do you not think that_ be in the middle of this. do you not think that it's— be in the middle of this. do you not think that it's outrageous to etort—tt- not think that it's outrageous to etort—tt to- not think that it's outrageous to start—it to or. to start comparing it to or sotomtetee— to start comparing it to or satanists?-well- to start comparing it to or satanists? well , that's all satanists? oh, well, that's all got— satanists? oh, well, that's all got ttme— satanists? oh, well, that's all we've got time for on that one. toter— we've got time for on that one. toter m— we've got time for on that one. toter m the— we've got time for on that one. later in the show,— we've got time for on that one. later in the show, we're- we've got time for on that one. later in the show, we're going to hear from albie on racist dolls. and dominique will tell us why elon got it right us why elon musk got it right about the bbc. but coming up next, it's the carver palava. i'll telling nhs pay i'll be telling you why nhs pay rises with the promise rises must come with the promise of reform. don't go away .

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peaceful . well, there we are. me peaceful. well, there we are. me and maggie are at one. now. let's crack on with our debate. up let's crack on with our debate. up next, it's emily's turn to face the music as she unveils her cover. palava. emily's going to tell us why she reckons the nhs needs huge reform and start the clock. yes , i think nhs pay the clock. yes, i think nhs pay rteee— the clock. yes, i think nhs pay tt— the clock. yes, i think nhs pay rises if they're _ the clock. yes, i think nhs pay rises if they're given,- ii yes, i think nhs pay rises if they're given, must wttt— rises if they're given, must come with the— rises if they're given, must come with the promise of nhs reormt— come with the promise of nhs reormt t— come with the promise of nhs reform. i think— come with the promise of nhs reform. i think that's what pottemte— reform. i think that's what patients deserve. i think that's oettmttetw— patients deserve. i think that's definitely what— patients deserve. i think that's definitely what the taxpayer oeeewee— definitely what the taxpayer deserves and _ definitely what the taxpayer deserves and i— definitely what the taxpayer deserves and i also think that's wrot— deserves and i also think that's wtot wus— deserves and i also think that's what nhs staff— deserves and i also think that's what nhs staff themselves oeeerwe. — what nhs staff themselves oeeerwe. t— what nhs staff themselves deserve. i think if we've teomeo— deserve. i think if we've learned one— deserve. i think if we've learned one thing from the mass wottoute— learned one thing from the mass wottoute tute— learned one thing from the mass walkouts this week's beside the fact walkouts this week's beside the toet trot— walkouts this week's beside the fact that nhs— walkouts this week's beside the fact that nhs staff morale is at roet— fact that nhs staff morale is at roet bottom.— fact that nhs staff morale is at rock bottom, is— fact that nhs staff morale is at rock bottom, is that the nhs as a rock bottom, is that the nhs as o teottt— rock bottom, is that the nhs as o teottt eore— rock bottom, is that the nhs as a health care system is no tomger— a health care system is no tomger ttt— a health care system is no longer fit for— a health care system is no longer fit for purpose. cj�*" longer fit for purpose. of course , bumper- longer fit for purpose. of course , bumper pay- longer fit for purpose. of course , bumper pay rises would course, bumper pay rises would for be great nhs staff who doesn't want a big fat pay rise , but i think it would simply be a sticking plaster. we have a

big a sticking plaster. we have a ttg mottem— a sticking plaster. we have a big problem with— a sticking plaster. we have a big problem with the- g we have a big problem with the nhs on a geomo— big problem with the nhs on a gromo eeote— big problem with the nhs on a grand scale and— big problem with the nhs on a grand scale and i'm not just totttmg— grand scale and i'm not just talking about— grand scale and i'm not just talking about the number of geome— talking about the number of geogte wreo— talking about the number of people who work for the health eerwtee — people who work for the health service which _ people who work for the health service which is— people who work for the health service which is over 1.3 mttttom — service which is over 1.3 million. the— service which is over 1.3 million. the last time i eteeteet— million. the last time i checked, i— million. the last time i checked, i think that we need to etot— checked, i think that we need to etog tetmg— checked, i think that we need to stop being little— checked, i think that we need to stop being little englanders. toot— stop being little englanders. took out— stop being little englanders. took out to— stop being little englanders. look out to the— stop being little englanders. look out to the rest of the worm— look out to the rest of the worto omo— look out to the rest of the world and see— look out to the rest of the world and see what else is on otter. — world and see what else is on otter. mere— world and see what else is on offer. there is— world and see what else is on offer. there is a— world and see what else is on offer. there is a reason that no toe— offer. there is a reason that no toe eomet— offer. there is a reason that no one has copied our— offer. there is a reason that no one has copied our health eewtee— one has copied our health eerwtee .— one has copied our health service . well,— one has copied our health service . well, there you go. who service. well, there you go. who etouto— service. well, there you go. who etouto t— service. well, there you go. who etouto t go— service. well, there you go. who should i go with— service. well, there you go. who should i go with first? i'll go wttt— should i go with first? i'll go wttt wou. — should i go with first? i'll go with you. dominic what do you tmmte— with you. dominic what do you tmmte oo— with you. dominic what do you tmmte too wou— with you. dominic what do you think? do you think pay rises mew-re— think? do you think pay rises are. they're all— think? do you think pay rises are. they're all well and good sttettmg— are. they're all well and good sticking plaster.— are. they're all well and good sticking plaster. we can just sticking plaster. if we can just otout— sticking plaster. if we can just about afford— sticking plaster. if we can just about afford-a- sticking plaster. if we can just about afford a bump for about afford a bit of a bump for nurses and doctors,— about afford a bit of a bump for nurses and doctors, it does seem ute— nurses and doctors, it does seem tre—o— nurses and doctors, it does seem ttte—o tott- nurses and doctors, it does seem ttte—o ttt ot- nurses and doctors, it does seem ttte—o ttt ot o- nurses and doctors, it does seem like—a bit of a payi like they deserve a bit of a pay out— like they deserve a bit of a pay out t— like they deserve a bit of a pay rise. but i think— like they deserve a bit of a pay rise. but i think the taxpayer oeeerwee— rise. but i think the taxpayer oeeerwee tor— rise. but i think the taxpayer deserves for it— rise. but i think the taxpayer deserves for it to _ rise. but i think the taxpayer deserves for it to come with etrtmge— deserves for it to come with some strings attached. perhaps for some strings attached. perhaps tor-etot— some strings attached. perhaps tor-etott oe— some strings attached. perhaps for-staff as well. - some strings attached. perhaps for staff as well. that for the staff as well. that oetuottw— for the staff as well. that oetuottw we— for the staff as well. that actually we get commitment from government— actually we get commitment from government that_ actually we get commitment from government that the will be government that the nhs will be retormeo— government that the nhs will be retormeo . — government that the nhs will be retormeo . t— government that the nhs will be reformed . i mean,— government that the nhs will be reformed . i mean, it- government that the nhs will be reformed . reformed. i mean, it just depends on what sort of commitment you're looking for from the staff look, from the staff because look, i've heard both sides of the debate and you know , the debate and you know, the narrative on sort of the rightward side of the debate is

that these are marxists , these that these are marxists, these strikes are politically motivated, they're lazy . the nhs motivated, they're lazy. the nhs is a financial black hole. and look, i sympathise with some of that. but then at the same time, i think in this particular moment, our nurses and our doctors are, you know, some of the most important people in this country. and if they are coming out en masse and saying we are underpaid and we are overworked and we've been starved of the proper resources in order to do our jobs in order to do ourjobs correctly, i think that should be listened to. but then again, yes, at the same time the nhs is wasteful . i'm just not so sure wasteful. i'm just not so sure that the responsibility should be put on the staff more so than the government. no, i think it toes— the government. no, i think it toee towe— the government. no, i think it toee move to— the government. no, i think it does have to be— the government. no, i think it does have to be with- 3 no, i think it does have to be with the government— does have to be with the government and of course nhs momogememt— government and of course nhs management need to work with the government— management need to work with the gowemmemt tt— management need to work with the government if there _ management need to work with the government if there is going to be government if there is going to toe-toge— government if there is going to toe-trope ot— government if there is going to be hope of substantial be any hope of any substantial reormt— be any hope of any substantial reform, that's— be any hope of any substantial reform, that's for— be any hope of any substantial reform, that's for sure. but i tmmt— reform, that's for sure. but i tmmt we— reform, that's for sure. but i think we could— reform, that's for sure. but i think we could go on ploughing benjami"t_ think we could go on ploughing eemtomtm-go- think we could go on ploughing eemtomtm-go om- benjamin, we could go on ptougmmg— benjamin, we could go on ploughing millions ploughing billions, millions wtotewer— ploughing billions, millions . wmotewer—gowtmg

ploughing billions, millions- whatever_paying all whatever into the nhs paying all of whatever into the nhs paying all ot our— whatever into the nhs paying all ot eur— whatever into the nhs paying all of our gdp towards— whatever into the nhs paying all of our gdp towards the national ueottt— of our gdp towards the national health service.— of our gdp towards the national health service. and i do worry trot— health service. and i do worry that fundamentally it is not fit for that fundamentally it is not fit tor gumoee. — that fundamentally it is not fit for purpose. dates back to the 50 for purpose. dates back to the so eeeomeo — for purpose. dates back to the 50 seconds. things have changed. we 50 seconds. things have changed. we meet— 50 seconds. things have changed. we meet to— 50 seconds. things have changed. we need to look— 50 seconds. things have changed. we need to look abroad and see wtot-e— we need to look abroad and see wtot-e worttmg— we need to look abroad and see what's working better. i what's working better. i mean, you— what's working better. i mean, you-tre— what's working better. i mean, you-tre us— what's working better. i mean, you the us system and you look at the us system and that costs considerably more as a of gdp than the a percentage of gdp than the british system does. the national health service. what about australian where about the australian one where all apparently are all the doctors apparently are going i mean , do you going fleeing? i mean, do you know what? if you were to roll back the clock to when there was a labour government, well, you had and nurses and nhs had doctors and nurses and nhs staff much their staff paid much better, their retention much higher , and the retention much higher, and the quality of health care was inflation during the labour government. why you government. well why don't you blame liz for that? that blame liz truss for that? that would fine to see because would be fine to see because blame the blame liz truss because the global sent global inflation crisis she sent the through ground the economy through the ground when power for just when she was in power forjust for liz truss, for the global inflation crisis. well we would labour better than labour run the nhs better than the look, i think the conservatives. look, i think if just look the key core if you just look at the key core metrics for the nhs after the last labour government versus where now, it's where they are now, it's undeniable. aconservative

where they are now, it's undeniable. a conservative i undeniable. as a conservative i will say the was in a better will say the nhs was in a better state in 2010 than it is in 2023, and it pains me to say that, but the economic situation of the country over the last 13 years is very different now than it was from 1997 to 2020. but on the point about reform, emily, lots of people talk about reform . what does reform actually mean ? well, take, for example, the auetrottom— ? well, take, for example, the australian model.— 7’ well, take, for example, the australian model. there's an trom— australian model. there's an irony oetuottw— australian model. there's an irony actually, that so many tumor— irony actually, that so many junior doctors— irony actually, that so many junior doctors who talk about tow— junior doctors who talk about how fantastic— junior doctors who talk about how fantastic the nhs is are tteetmg— how fantastic the nhs is are tteetmg to— how fantastic the nhs is are tteetmg to o— how fantastic the nhs is are fleeing to a more marketized motet— fleeing to a more marketized mooet. mew— fleeing to a more marketized model. they have an insurance system— model. they have an insurance system .— model. they have an insurance system . eo— model. they have an insurance system , so everyone has medicare system, so everyone has medicare or to— system, so everyone has medicare or to wrot— system, so everyone has medicare or to wtot thew— system, so everyone has medicare or is what they call— system, so everyone has medicare or is what they call it, eeoryne— or is what they call it, everyone has- or is what they call it, everyone has that and then you tog— everyone has that and then you tog tt— everyone has that and then you tog tt up— everyone has that and then you can top it up with— everyone has that and then you can top it up with private teottt— can top it up with private health insurance. and it means trot— health insurance. and it means ttot there-e— health insurance. and it means that there's competing service prteee— that there's competing service prteee. wmem— that there's competing service prices, which raises the etomooro— prices, which raises the etomooro .— prices, which raises the standard . and for many people in standard. and for many people in this standard. and for many people in two eoumtrw— standard. and for many people in this country now,— standard. and for many people in this country now, they cannot get— this country now, they cannot get o— this country now, they cannot get o er — this country now, they cannot get a gp appointment. this country now, they cannot get a gp appointment . and it's get a gp appointment. and it's so ottemt— get a gp appointment. and it's so difficult. they— get a gp appointment. and it's so difficult. they waiting weoe— so difficult. they waiting years, months- so difficult. they waiting years, months even years for toete— years, months even years for basic procedures— years, months even years for basic procedures . others, it basic procedures. others, it reottw— basic procedures. others, it reottw te— basic procedures. others, it reottw te tt-e— basic procedures. others, it really is it's outrageous, oetuottw— really is it's outrageous, actually how—

really is it's outrageous, actually how badly the nhs is tetttmg— actually how badly the nhs is tetttmg ue— actually how badly the nhs is letting us down.— actually how badly the nhs is letting us down. and that's not to eow— letting us down. and that's not to eow tumor— letting us down. and that's not to say junior doctors and nurses are to say junior doctors and nurses mot— to say junior doctors and nurses mot tomg— to say junior doctors and nurses are not doing their— to say junior doctors and nurses are not doing their hard work. seemtmgtw.— are not doing their hard work. seemtmgtw. tree— are not doing their hard work. seemingly, the conditions are oggotttmg— seemingly, the conditions are oggotttmg ot— seemingly, the conditions are appalling at the— seemingly, the conditions are appalling at the moment for them. — appalling at the moment for them. out— appalling at the moment for them. but don't— appalling at the moment for them. but don't you think, eomem— them. but don't you think, oomem tt— them. but don't you think, darren, it is— them. but don't you think, darren, it is time to step back . tt-e— darren, it is time to step back . tt-e ttme— darren, it is time to step back . it's time for— darren, it is time to step back . it's time for rishi sunak to putt— . it's time for rishi sunak to out me— . it's time for rishi sunak to pull his socks— . it's time for rishi sunak to pull his socks up- . it's time for rishi sunak to pull his socks up actually, and say,— pull his socks up actually, and eow. wou— pull his socks up actually, and eow. wou tmow— pull his socks up actually, and say, you know what, radical retorme — say, you know what, radical reform? well,— say, you know what, radical reform? well, i'll- say, you know what, radical reform? it�*tiiiee .. reform? well, i'll tell you what, emily. it's not often that i often say point to the european union and say there are some models there that we should copy, but are systems copy, but there are systems around europe have much better health care outcomes than we do here in britain. and actually, they're often spending less than we are here in britain. and you've got to ask yourself what fundamentally why do you have a health care service ? to me, you health care service? to me, you have a health care service to keep people alive, something as fundamental as that. we're not very good at that in the nhs and that the hard that isn't to criticise the hard work and staff who are. don't doubt to work hard , frankly. but doubt to work hard, frankly. but when other countries, comparable countries , as i say, spend less countries, as i say, spend less per head are getting better

health care outcomes . and to health care outcomes. and to stress that point , that means stress that point, that means keeping can i just save ? keeping can i just save? there's a massive elephant in tute— there's a massive elephant in the room— there's a massive elephant in this room and— there's a massive elephant in this room and that's the demographics- this room and that's the demographics of this country , demographics of this country, rtgtte— demographics of this country, rtgtte we— demographics of this country, right? we have— demographics of this country, right? we have a— demographics of this country, right? we have a rapidly tmereoetmg— right? we have a rapidly increasing proportion of the pogutottom— increasing proportion of the population who— increasing proportion of the population who are elderly. reogte— population who are elderly. reogte twe— population who are elderly. people live longer than before, omo— people live longer than before, one trot— people live longer than before, one ttot te— people live longer than before, and that is causing us to have so, and that is causing us to have wou— and that is causing us to have wou mow.— and that is causing us to have so, you know, roll— and that is causing us to have so, you know, roll back the etoet— so, you know, roll back the etoet o— so, you know, roll back the etoet o tew— so, you know, roll back the clock a few decades and people wouto— clock a few decades and people wouto towe— clock a few decades and people would have far— clock a few decades and people would have far fewer ailments teuee— would have far fewer ailments teuee thew— would have far fewer ailments because they would die at maybe 70 because they would die at maybe to weore— because they would die at maybe to weore oto. — because they would die at maybe 70 years old. but— because they would die at maybe 70 years old. but now you have all 70 years old. but now you have ott tmeee— 70 years old. but now you have all these people,— 70 years old. but now you have all these people, millions of geome— all these people, millions of geogte wreo— all these people, millions of people who will— all these people, millions of people who will get a number of mooerotetw— people who will get a number of moderately serious— people who will get a number of moderately serious conditions teuee— moderately serious conditions teuee thew— moderately serious conditions because they will keep living umttt—es.- because they will keep living umttt—es. eel because they will keep living. until—85, 90, 95 until maybe they're 85, 90, 95 weore— until maybe they're 85, 90, 95 weore oto. — until maybe they're 85, 90, 95 weore oto. amo— until maybe they're 85, 90, 95 years old. and that is putting a etotm— years old. and that is putting a etrotm om— years old. and that is putting a etrotm om te— years old. and that is putting a strain on the nhs.— years old. and that is putting a strain on the nhs. so what etouto— strain on the nhs. so what etouto we— strain on the nhs. so what should we do— strain on the nhs. so what should we do about this? we etouto— should we do about this? we should have— should we do about this? we should have more immigrants. mot-e— should have more immigrants. that's-should- should have more immigrants. that's should have. that's what you should have. mot-e— that's what you should have. ttot-e wtw— that's what you should have. tmot-e wmw we — that's what you should have. that's why we need not only to trom— that's why we need not only to trotm more— that's why we need not only to train more people— that's why we need not only to train more people our own, train more people of our own, tut— train more people of our own, tut-meet— train more people of our own, tut-meet to— train more people of our own, but-need to be- train more people of our own, but need to be doctors and but they need to be doctors and nurses.-also need- but they need to be doctors and nurses. also need to nurses. but we also need to trtmg— nurses. but we also need to trtmglteor— nurses. but we also need to bring.bear..also- nurses. but we also need to bring bear. also need to bring to bear. we also need to trtmg— bring to bear. we also need to trtmg-oeogte— bring to bear. we also need to trtmg-oeogte tm- bring to bear. we also need to bring people in because bring more people in because our worttoree— bring more people in because our worttoree oge— bring more people in because our worttoree oge te— bring more people in because our workforce age is small and workforce age is too small and we-eo— workforce age is too small and we-eo momw— workforce age is too small and we so many pensioners. why we have so many pensioners. why is we have so many pensioners. why te tme— we have so many pensioners. why is the solution— we have so many pensioners. why is the solution-you?- we have so many pensioners. why is the solution -you? - is the solution with you? people— is the solution with you? people always _

is the solution with you? people always to - is the solution with you? people always to artificially increase the size of the population more immigrants population with more immigrants , sustain. can i , but we need to sustain. can i just say, dominique,— , but we need to sustain. can i just say, dominique, that- : i can i just say, dominique, that is an unsustainable. _ just say, dominique, that is an unsustainable. wit"; just say, dominique, that is an unsustainable. g just say, dominique, that is an unsustainable. wit"; unsustainable. hang on, let me finish. country. and it's finish. run a country. and it's something would something that would rely dominique on cohesion. isaid dominique on on cohesion. i said we need to sustain the- jtiti i t:.ti. ti?" ti?" i ti?" i said we need to sustain the level of the— we need to sustain the level of the poputottom— we need to sustain the level of the population and the problem is, the population and the problem te. te— the population and the problem te. te trot— the population and the problem is, is that without— the population and the problem is, is that without immigration , because brits— is, is that without immigration , because brits aren't having enough— , because brits aren't having enough-tme- , because brits aren't having enough the population enough children, the population wouto— enough children, the population would-declining,— enough children, the population would declining, which would would be declining, which would eomomomg— would be declining, which would. companions _would companions grown by which would mttttom— companions grown by which would million immigration. million because of immigration. if i million because of immigration. tt t-tuet— million because of immigration. if i-just finish— million because of immigration. if i-just finish my- million because of immigration. if i just finish my point, if i can just finiin my point, if if i can just finish my point, tt tme— if i can just finish my point, if the population was shrinking, it if the population was shrinking, tt-eomgoumo— if the population was shrinking, it-compound all- if the population was shrinking, it compound all of the it would compound all of the economic problems that we're eeetmg—ot- economic problems that we're eeetmg—ot ttel seeing with the nhs at the momem — seeing with the nhs at the moment. one— seeing with the nhs at the moment. one of the fundamental orotteme— moment. one of the fundamental problems-country- moment. one of the fundamental problems-country is- problems with this country is trot—enough- problems with this country is. that—enough people that there aren't enough people to-tm— that there aren't enough people our tme— that there aren't enough people to-in the health- that there aren't enough people to in the health service to to work in the health service to pay— to work in the health service to pow-toxee— to work in the health service to pow-toxee to— to work in the health service to pow-toxee to tow- to work in the health service to pay taxes to pay for this pay enough taxes to pay for this tmtoteo— pay enough taxes to pay for this inflated .that_ pay enough taxes to pay for this inflated .that the— pay enough taxes to pay for this inflated that the nhs is. inflated bill that the nhs is. tm— inflated bill that the nhs is. t-m-oetuottw.- inflated bill that the nhs is. i'm actually, because inflated bill that the nhs is. i'm nhs actually, because inflated bill that the nhs is. i'm nhs employs ally, because inflated bill that the nhs is. i'm nhs employs boys. cause inflated bill that the nhs is. i'm nhs employs boys. ii: 3 the nhs employs boys. according to the— the nhs employs boys. according to the owe.— the nhs employs boys. according to the ons, 1.3 million people. to the ons,1.3 million people. i think there needs to be some rearranging at the very least of where those people are deployed. yeah, because i tell you what, our viewers at— yeah, because i tell you what, our viewers at home, they can get— our viewers at home, they can get tott— our viewers at home, they can get toto ot— our viewers at home, they can get moto ot o— our viewers at home, they can get hold of a diversity and tmetuetom— get hold of a diversity and inclusion manager in the nhs,

but inclusion manager in the nhs, tut mot— inclusion manager in the nhs, but notldoctor._ inclusion manager in the nhs, but not doctor. and that's a but not a doctor. and that's a momem.— but not a doctor. and that's a mottem. rem-t— but not a doctor. and that's a problem, isn't it?— but not a doctor. and that's a problem, isn't it? right. people omo— problem, isn't it? right. people and—screaming. . problem, isn't it? right. peoplei and—screaming. do and viewers are screaming. do wou— and viewers are screaming. do wou-tre— and viewers are screaming. do wou-tre umter- and viewers are screaming. do you-the number for- and viewers are screaming. do you _the number for a. you know the number for a diversity inclusion officer? it's is it ? you diversity inclusion officer? it's is it? you can go it's not 999, is it? you can go to a it's not 999, is it? you can go to o toegttot— it's not 999, is it? you can go to a hospital and— e jjj e?’ you can go to a hospital and they'll be how wouto— to a hospital and they'll be how wouto wou— to a hospital and they'll be how wouto wou get— to a hospital and they'll be how would you get in— to a hospital and they'll be how would you get in touch with an wus— would you get in touch with an wus otwerettw— would you get in touch with an nhs diversity local nhs diversity your local toeottot— nhs diversity your local hospital-hear- nhs diversity your local hospital-hear one hospital you'll hear one get one there. — hospital you'll hear one get one there. come— hospital you'll hear one get one there. come on. _ hospital you'll hear one get one there. ti?" jtitftif hospital you'll hear one get one there. ti?" j i ? g there. come on. darren. right. one up. let us know— there. come on. darren. right. one up. let us know what- there. ti?“ j i j 3 one up. let us know what please do one up. let us know what please to . — one up. let us know what please to . tet— one up. let us know what please to . tet ue— one up. let us know what please do . let us know.— one up. let us know what please do . let us know. oh- one up. let us know what please do . ..3 tijji l. one up. let us know what please do . ..3 l. : do. let us know. oh still ahead , dominique is going to give us her take on elon musk's row with the bbc . but her take on elon musk's row with the bbc. but coming up, it's attte— the bbc. but coming up, it's attte. ue-e— the bbc. but coming up, it's albie. he's going— the bbc. but coming up, it's albie. he's going to- but coming up, it's albie. he's going to tell us why he albie. he's going to tell us why we tmmte— albie. he's going to tell us why he thinks sean— albie. he's going to tell us why he thinks sean racist dolls in route— he thinks sean racist dolls in route te— he thinks sean racist dolls in pubs is unacceptable. well, oom-t— pubs is unacceptable. well, oom-t go— pubs is unacceptable. well, don't go anywhere .

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twe— welcome back to the saturday ttwe. some— welcome back to the saturday five. some lively— welcome back to the saturday five. some lively debates so far . tm— five. some lively debates so far . i'm sure you'll— five. some lively debates so far . i'm sure you'll agree. please do . i'm sure you'll agree. please to keep— . i'm sure you'll agree. please to keep wour— . i'm sure you'll agree. please do keep your views coming in gb vtewe— do keep your views coming in gb vtewe ot— do keep your views coming in gb views at gbnews.uk and we'll get to trem— views at gbnews.uk and we'll get to them — views at gbnews.uk and we'll get to them soon. helen's written in out— to them soon. helen's written in out ete— to them soon. helen's written in out eme eowe— to them soon. helen's written in and she says, sorry,— to them soon. helen's written in and she says, sorry, benjamin , i and she says, sorry, benjamin, i oom-t— and she says, sorry, benjamin, i oom-t ogree— and she says, sorry, benjamin, i don't agree. sam— and she says, sorry, benjamin, i don't agree. sam smith can be a thew— don't agree. sam smith can be a ttew trem— don't agree. sam smith can be a tmew them out— don't agree. sam smith can be a they them and identify as wtoee— they them and identify as whoever he _ they them and identify as whoever he they them wants. but toe-e— whoever he they them wants. but te-e mot— whoever he they them wants. but te-e mot o— whoever he they them wants. but te-e mot o rote— whoever he they them wants. but he's not a role model at all. amo— he's not a role model at all. amt t— he's not a role model at all. amt t wouto— he's not a role model at all. and i would not— he's not a role model at all. and i would not want my children to eee— and i would not want my children to mm — and i would not want my children to see him dressed— and i would not want my children to see him dressed in the oteguettmg— to see him dressed in the disgusting way- to see him dressed in the disgusting way he dresses on etoge— disgusting way he dresses on etoge. tt-e— disgusting way he dresses on etoge. tt-etuet— disgusting way he dresses on stage. it's just grotesque . and stage. it's just grotesque. and he stage. it's just grotesque. and we tooke— stage. it's just grotesque. and he looks frightful, quite tromktw— he looks frightful, quite tromktw .— he looks frightful, quite frankly . well, there we are. she frankly. well, there we are. she etotm-t— frankly. well, there we are. she otom-t tott— frankly. well, there we are. she didn't hold back.— frankly. well, there we are. she didn't hold back. _ frankly. well, there we are. she didn't hold back. is that about my outfit or sam's? anyway, let's move on— my outfit or sam's? anyway, let's move on to— my outfit or sam's? anyway, let's move on to our- e 37 anyway, let's move on to our next topic up meet.— let's move on to our next topic up next. tt-e— let's move on to our next topic up next. it's albie— let's move on to our next topic up next. it's albie argument, omo— up next. it's albie argument, omo kttte— up next. it's albie argument, omo kttte te— up next. it's albie argument, and albie is going to make his tor— and albie is going to make his tor wtw— and albie is going to make his case for why it's— and albie is going to make his case for why it's unacceptable to oteptow— case for why it's unacceptable to display racist— case for why it's unacceptable to display racist dolls in pubs, etort— to display racist dolls in pubs, etort tme— to display racist dolls in pubs, start the clock— to display racist dolls in pubs, start the clock back. i to display racist dolls in pubs, start the clock back. e 20:25 start the clock back. it's 2023 out— start the clock back. it's 2023 out tm— start the clock back. it's 2023 and i'm about to tell you why it's unacceptable to display in pubs. it's unacceptable to display in pubs . a is a racist caricature pubs. a is a racist caricature of a black person. if we can get

an image of a for our wonderful viewers, that will really help. so if you display one of these dolls in your home, in your pub, in your place of work , in your place of work, essentially what you're saying is black people, you're not welcome . it comes from a welcome. it comes from a mentality that thinks that black people , skin lips, hair is so people, skin lips, hair is so strange that it warrants taking the mick out of. now i was disappointed with the home secretary's intervention earlier on this week. whilst i agree , it on this week. whilst i agree, it does seem like a strange use of police resources to send five officers to a pub to go and remove some what she didn't say was that it's completely unacceptable . in britain, the unacceptable. in britain, the world's leading multi racial democracy to display dolls. and besides , shouldn't the home besides, shouldn't the home secretary have better things to do? stopping the boats? perhaps well, so . so, darren, i'm well, so. so, darren, i'm interested in your opinion here because 48% of the public actually disagree with me. they think it's completely fine for

dolls to be displayed. am i just being a snowflake? we've just got a picture on the screen there for our radio listeners of one of the dolls themselves . one of the dolls themselves. look, i don't think look, albie, i don't think wou-re— look, albie, i don't think woure o— look, albie, i don't think you're a snowflake. think you're a snowflake. i think woue— you're a snowflake. i think you're-entitled. you're a snowflake. i think you're entitled to you're perfectly entitled to wour— you're perfectly entitled to wour — you're perfectly entitled to your own view— you're perfectly entitled to your own view on that to and say ttot— your own view on that to and say ttot wou— your own view on that to and say that you wouldn't— your own view on that to and say that you wouldn't use a pub like trot— that you wouldn't use a pub like ttotlomw— that you wouldn't use a pub like that-any premises— that you wouldn't use a pub like that any premises that that or any premises that oteptowe— that or any premises that displays these- that or any premises that displays these things on in tetr— displays these things on in their establishment, i think trot-e— their establishment, i think ttot-e o— their establishment, i think that's a perfectly valid view. out— that's a perfectly valid view. out wrot— that's a perfectly valid view. out wtot t— that's a perfectly valid view. but what i would say is i think six but what i would say is i think etk ottteere— but what i would say is i think six officers going— but what i would say is i think six officers going into a and woue— six officers going into a and woue eoto— six officers going into a and you've said that_ six officers going into a and you've said that you don't think it you've said that you don't think tt woe— you've said that you don't think it was proportionate. i couldn't ogree— it was proportionate. i couldn't agree more with— it was proportionate. i couldn't agree more with that. six ottteere— agree more with that. six officers that_ agree more with that. six officers that maybe won't show up to— officers that maybe won't show up to o— officers that maybe won't show up to o turgtorw— officers that maybe won't show up to a burglary, but will show up to a burglary, but will show up to— up to a burglary, but will show up to toke— up to a burglary, but will show up to toke owow— up to a burglary, but will show up to take away some dolls that someone in apparently one eomptotmt— someone in apparently one eomptotmt. t— someone in apparently one complaint. i could be wrong has eoto— complaint. i could be wrong has eoto tt-e— complaint. i could be wrong has said it's offensive.— complaint. i could be wrong has said it's offensive. so therefore— said it's offensive. so therefore ,_ said it's offensive. so therefore , they've pulled that therefore, they've pulled that out. — therefore, they've pulled that out. so — therefore, they've pulled that out. so momw— therefore, they've pulled that out. so many viewers albie are eowtmg— out. so many viewers albie are eowtmg tt— out. so many viewers albie are eowtmg tt tooke— out. so many viewers albie are saying it looks to— out. so many viewers albie are saying it looks to me like the pottee— saying it looks to me like the pottee eore— saying it looks to me like the police care more— saying it looks to me like the police care more about hurt teettmge— police care more about hurt feelings than— police care more about hurt feelings than they do about oetuottw— feelings than they do about actually solving crime. and that tmeteoo— actually solving crime. and that tmeteoo ot— actually solving crime. and that instead of actually policing the tmmge— instead of actually policing the tmmge ttot— instead of actually policing the things that matter to everybody . poot — things that matter to everybody . poot thew-re— things that matter to everybody . dodi they're focusing on dolls

. knu— . dodi they're focusing on dolls . amt t— . dodi they're focusing on dolls . and i completely- . dodi they're focusing on dolls . and i completely understand that point, darren. but i suppose the converse argument would be i think there was a concern that the 1988 malicious communications act had been broken and if a law has been broken, then the police's broken, then it's the police's job to investigate that. but benjamin, i'm interested to know your opinion because is there a free speech argument here? in a free speech argument here? in a free society, should people allow should people be allowed to be racist ? well, free speech to be racist? well, free speech doesn't include being racist or homophobic . doesn't include being racist or homophobic. right? we doesn't include being racist or homophobic . right? we accepted homophobic. right? we accepted that boundary a long time ago. and what that means and the reason that matters is because it's the distinction between you being able to say what you like, but you being able to say something that diminishes someone else's existence and someone else's existence and someone else's existence and someone else's ability to lead their life freely. now, as i understand it from news reports, this pub has tried to find a way around this question by putting around this question by putting a notice on the door, saying about the display of these blackface dolls and say if you're offended , then it's your you're offended, then it's your choice not to come in. well as far as i'm concerned, the

message that truly sends is if you're a black person, don't come i completely agree come in here. i completely agree with dominic, i'm with you. but dominic, i'm interested know how would interested to know how would you feel if you went to a pub and you saw some hanging from you saw some dolls hanging from the ceiling? i would feel uncomfortable.- the ceiling? i would feel uncomfortable. across uncomfortable. i've come across totte— uncomfortable. i've come across ootte tetore— uncomfortable. i've come across dolls before and— uncomfortable. i've come across dolls before and they've made me feel uncomfortable. _ dolls before and they've made me feel uncomfortable. i think as a ttoek— feel uncomfortable. i think as a ttoek peeom — feel uncomfortable. i think as a black person. and— feel uncomfortable. i think as a black person. and to , not you black person. and to, not you know.— black person. and to, not you know. eort— black person. and to, not you know. eort ot— black person. and to, not you know, sort of segregate on the toete— know, sort of segregate on the toete ot— know, sort of segregate on the toete ot ektm— know, sort of segregate on the basis of skin colour, i'm the ot— basis of skin colour, i'm the ot the— basis of skin colour, i'm the one of the people that speaks out ogotmet— one of the people that speaks out against these— one of the people that speaks out against these sorts of tomge— out against these sorts of tmmge. out— out against these sorts of tmmge. put t— out against these sorts of things. but i think you are things. but i think if you are a ttoek— things. but i think if you are a ttoek peeom— things. but i think if you are a black person, you— things. but i think if you are a black person, you can see woureett— black person, you can see woureett tm— black person, you can see yourself in that- black person, you can see yourself in that doll and how it's intended— yourself in that doll and how it's intended to— yourself in that doll and how it's intended to represent you. so it's intended to represent you. so-kmow— it's intended to represent you. so-kmow .— it's intended to represent you. so-kmow . wou— it's intended to represent you. so know , you know, overly so you know, you know, overly eooggerote— so you know, you know, overly eooggerote .— so you know, you know, overly exaggerate , stated large pink exaggerate, stated large pink upe— exaggerate, stated large pink ttpe .— exaggerate, stated large pink ttpe . aces.— exaggerate, stated large pink ttpe . keks. wou— exaggerate, stated large pink lips , acas, you know, big white lips, acas, you know, big white teeth. — lips, acas, you know, big white teeth. reottw— lips, acas, you know, big white teeth, really black— lips, acas, you know, big white teeth, really black skin and otto— teeth, really black skin and otro .— teeth, really black skin and otro . so— teeth, really black skin and afro . so these— teeth, really black skin and afro . so these are some of the afro. so these are some of the representations— afro. so these are some of the representations of— afro. so these are some of the representations of black people trot— representations of black people ttot wee— representations of black people that were used— representations of black people that were used in— representations of black people that were used in things like mtmetret— that were used in things like minstrel shows. _ that were used in things like minstrel shows. that is how ttoek— minstrel shows. that is how ttoek peopte— minstrel shows. that is how black people were represented. amo— black people were represented. amt tt— black people were represented. amt tt woe— black people were represented. and it was used— black people were represented. and it was used to demean them. wow— and it was used to demean them. now eome— and it was used to demean them. now peopte— and it was used to demean them. now some people do not attribute tmoee— now some people do not attribute ttoee megottwe— now some people do not attribute those negative characteristics teuee— those negative characteristics teuee ttew— those negative characteristics because they may have had those totte— because they may have had those ootte oe— because they may have had those ootte oe o— because they may have had those dolls as a child— because they may have had those dolls as a child and— because they may have had those dolls as a child and they didn't

omwtmmg— dolls as a child and they didn't see anything negative about them.— see anything negative about them. out— see anything negative about them. out t— see anything negative about them. but i think it's naive to eeporote— them. but i think it's naive to eeporote tme— them. but i think it's naive to separate the negative and racist tmtemttom— separate the negative and racist tmtemttom ot— separate the negative and racist intention of them— separate the negative and racist intention of them from the oetuot— intention of them from the actual doll. _ intention of them from the actual doll. emily carver do you tromk— actual doll. emily carver do you tmmk trot— actual doll. emily carver do you tmmk ttot tt— actual doll. emily carver do you think that if the— actual doll. emily carver do you think that if the pub was oteptowtmg— think that if the pub was displaying anti—semitic imagery that displaying anti—semitic imagery ttotwe-o— displaying anti—semitic imagery that we'd even— displaying anti—semitic imagery that we'd even be— displaying anti—semitic imagery that we'd even be having a oetote— that we'd even be having a debate about— that we'd even be having a debate about whether or not it was acceptable? _ debate about whether or not it was acceptable? e was acceptable? i think it's very difficult because i'm obviously not black, so i don't know how i would feel going into a pub where there were these dolls if i were. i also accept that some people believe them to be something of nostalgia, something they to play something they used to play with, something never with, something that they never even second to even gave a second thought to about racist. but we are about being racist. but we are in 2023 and attitudes have changed and these things are well known to be racist and something that people black people don't like, which is fair enough. but i do think that this shouldn't be a criminal matter. i do not think it is a criminal matter. if it is the law should not be reaching that far into people's private property because pubs are private property. no, they're not people who own them and run them. i

would agree with that, think. would agree with that, i think. but think it's you know, but i do think it's you know, there's been stories time and time again about you tory time again about you know, tory councillors being sacked for posing them . a councillor posing with them. a councillor said they weren't racist because they've got smiley little faces. et cetera. et cetera . anyway, et cetera. et cetera. anyway, come it comes back and back a time again, anyway. still ahead tonight , it time again, anyway. still ahead tonight, it will dominique tonight, it will be dominique and telling us why tonight, it will be dominique and musk telling us why tonight, it will be dominique and musk haselling us why tonight, it will be dominique and musk has exposed why tonight, it will be dominique and musk has exposed the! elon musk has exposed the failings of the bbc. not sure benjamin will agree with that one, will out in one, but we will find out in just one moment.

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from several weeks in tenerife. nice talking to the locals and brits who have decided to relocate. there clear that relocate. there is clear that the equivalent to our the tenerife equivalent to our nhs on a with our private nhs is on a par with our private health care providers. so there's something there's clearly something wrong here we are supposed here in the uk. we are supposed to be the or sixth richest to be the fifth or sixth richest country in the world. this is true. we do seem to be having a third world health service . third world health service. indeed. now for our final oetote.— indeed. now for our final debate. it's— indeed. now for our final debate. it's none- 3: now for our final debate. it's none other than pomtmtgue— debate. it's none other than dominique samuels, and she's going— dominique samuels, and she's gotmg to— dominique samuels, and she's gotmg to tett— dominique samuels, and she's gotmg to tett ue— dominique samuels, and she's going to tell us why elon musk toe— going to tell us why elon musk toe epoee— going to tell us why elon musk has expose the— going to tell us why elon musk has expose the failings of the toe— has expose the failings of the toe .— has expose the failings of the toe . tet-e— has expose the failings of the bbc . let's start— has expose the failings of the bbc . let's start the clock this bbc. let's start the clock this week. — bbc. let's start the clock this week. rte— bbc. let's start the clock this week. the bbc— bbc. let's start the clock this week. the bbc were- bbc. let's start the clock this week. i : week. the bbc were humiliated yet again , as if they're not yet again, as if they're not employing disinformation specialists. they're squandering a golden chance to interview one of the most interesting people in the world right now . elon in the world right now. elon musk is pioneering space exploration, a new car technology . he recently bought technology. he recently bought twitter and exposed the collusion between big tech and the american government, censoring information on covid 19. and even the hunter biden laptop story, which may have swayed the outcome of the 2020

presidential election with a bbc interview interested in asking any of those questions? oh no. they were more interested in pushing a narrative about so—called hate speech growing on the platform . i'm the journalist the platform. i'm the journalist in question. couldn't give a single example of this so—called hate speech. this is just yet omotter— hate speech. this is just yet another example— hate speech. this is just yet another example of- i this is just yet another example of how the bbc is another example of how the bbc te totttmg— another example of how the bbc te totttmg tme— another example of how the bbc is failing the british people. we pay— is failing the british people. we pay handsomely to be unbiased and we pay handsomely to be unbiased omo oeeurote— we pay handsomely to be unbiased and accurate, and— we pay handsomely to be unbiased and accurate, and it— we pay handsomely to be unbiased and accurate, and it fails to do ttot. — and accurate, and it fails to do even that. it's— and accurate, and it fails to do even that. it's time- and accurate, and it fails to do even that. e e ii even that. it's time to accept that the bbc isn't good value for money. so who will disagree with me the most? i think it's you. yeah. no, i think ewerwtmmg— you. yeah. no, i think everything you- / no, i think everything you said was wrong. oh everything you said was wrong. or kukus— everything you said was wrong. or kukus .— everything you said was wrong. oh aukus . look,— everything you said was wrong. oh aukus . look, you know, the oh aukus. look, you know, the truth — oh aukus. look, you know, the truth te— oh aukus. look, you know, the truth te ttot— oh aukus. look, you know, the truth is that the— oh aukus. look, you know, the truth is that the bbc has a far mgter— truth is that the bbc has a far higher standard— truth is that the bbc has a far higher standard of accurate kwoet — higher standard of accurate kwoet omo— higher standard of accurate kwasi and impartiality than twttter— kwasi and impartiality than twitter does. _ kwasi and impartiality than twitter does. and i think elon ttuek— twitter does. and i think elon musk couldn't— twitter does. and i think elon musk couldn't give a about free epeeem — musk couldn't give a about free epeeem att— musk couldn't give a about free epeeem at we— musk couldn't give a about free speech. all he wants is every toet— speech. all he wants is every last billion _ speech. all he wants is every last billion dollar he can get his

last billion dollar he can get me toute— last billion dollar he can get his hands on. _ last billion dollar he can get his hands on. and we know if the rich:— his hands on. and we know if the trek. tt— his hands on. and we know if the trek. tt we— his hands on. and we know if the trek. tt we tt— his hands on. and we know if the rich, if we if we _ his hands on. and we know if the rich, if we if we look— his hands on. and we know if the rich, if we if we look if we took— rich, if we if we look if we took t— rich, if we if we look if we look i don't— rich, if we if we look if we look i don't know how nice elon ttuek— look i don't know how nice elon ttuek wouto— look i don't know how nice elon musk would taste— look i don't know how nice elon musk would taste because he's got eome— musk would taste because he's got prettw— musk would taste because he's got some pretty sour opinions. out— got some pretty sour opinions. out tt— got some pretty sour opinions. out tt wou— got some pretty sour opinions. but if you look— got some pretty sour opinions. but if you look at— got some pretty sour opinions. but if you look at the there was a but if you look at the there was o etuow— but if you look at the there was a study published— but if you look at the there was a study published in the new york— a study published in the new york ttmee— a study published in the new york times after— a study published in the new york times after bought york times after he bought twttter— york times after he bought twitter,_bought| twitter, elon musk bought twttter— twitter, elon musk bought twitter-that- twitter, elon musk bought twitter that the twitter, elon musk bought- twitter-that the new twitter that said that the new york— twitter that said that the new work-eeme.— twitter that said that the new york-crimes,.was- york hate crimes, it was reported— york hate crimes, it was reported tm— york hate crimes, it was reported in there, was from reported in there, it was from an-source that- reported in there, it was from an source that hate an impartial source that hate crimes against— an impartial source that hate. crimes against—on crimes against black people on twttter— crimes against black people on twttter tote— crimes against black people on twitter hate tweets had gone up by twitter hate tweets had gone up tw twtee— twitter hate tweets had gone up tw twtee .— twitter hate tweets had gone up tw twtee . tmere— twitter hate tweets had gone up by twice . there had been a third by twice. there had been a third mee— by twice. there had been a third rise-homophobic— by twice. there had been a third rise homophobic tweets. okay. rise in homophobic tweets. okay. amo— rise in homophobic tweets. okay. amt-thew— rise in homophobic tweets. okay. amt-ttew-peopte- rise in homophobic tweets. okay. and they people like and then they put people like amorew— and then they put people like andrew-om- and then they put people like andrew-on the- and then they put people like andrew on the right. andrew tate back on the right. okow. — andrew tate back on the right. okow. tet-e— andrew tate back on the right. okow. tet-e rupt— andrew tate back on the right. okay. let's just actually- andrew tate back on the right. okay. let's just actually get into that, because the washington post is essentially a mouthpiece for the far left and the democratic party . and it was the democratic party. and it was the washington post that was spreading about spreading misinformation about the hunter biden laptop story being a conspiracy theory, one that twitter underneath the far left content moderators were, you know, really , really happy you know, really, really happy to censor, which may have had an impact on the 2020 presidential election. so i dispute those falsities , but i'm guessing that

falsities, but i'm guessing that , darren, you would actually agree with michael? i do. but look, i've got to— agree with michael? i do. but look, i've got to points- ethijtii; it: i7 i do. but look, i've got to points there. i look, i've got to points there. t meom— look, i've got to points there. i mean, twitter— look, i've got to points there. i mean, twitter is— look, i've got to points there. i mean, twitter is losing money toeter— i mean, twitter is losing money toeter trom— i mean, twitter is losing money faster than me— i mean, twitter is losing money faster than me on— i mean, twitter is losing money faster than me on a night out. so faster than me on a night out. so tm— faster than me on a night out. so t-m mot— faster than me on a night out. so i'm not sure— faster than me on a night out. so i'm not sure that, you know, ttom— so i'm not sure that, you know, ttom ttuek— so i'm not sure that, you know, elon musk has— so i'm not sure that, you know, elon musk has actually done a eemettte— elon musk has actually done a sensible thing— elon musk has actually done a sensible thing if— elon musk has actually done a sensible thing if he wants to moke— sensible thing if he wants to make himself— sensible thing if he wants to make himself rich. and secondly , i make himself rich. and secondly . t oetuottw— make himself rich. and secondly , i actually think— make himself rich. and secondly , i actually think that he eopoeeo— , i actually think that he exposed here— , i actually think that he exposed here in this interview the toet— exposed here in this interview the fact that_ exposed here in this interview the fact that there is a elite in the fact that there is a elite tm tme— the fact that there is a elite in this country— the fact that there is a elite in this country that want to ettemee— in this country that want to silence dissenting voices that totk— silence dissenting voices that totk otout— silence dissenting voices that talk about things like the twttter— talk about things like the twitter files— talk about things like the twitter files that perhaps spoke otout— twitter files that perhaps spoke otout tme— twitter files that perhaps spoke otout the wow— twitter files that perhaps spoke about the way in— twitter files that perhaps spoke about the way in which the covid toekoowme— about the way in which the covid lockdowns and _ about the way in which the covid lockdowns and excess deaths or tmoeeo— lockdowns and excess deaths or tmoeeo eem— lockdowns and excess deaths or indeed even how— lockdowns and excess deaths or indeed even how greta thunberg teemoge— indeed even how greta thunberg teemoge truomt— indeed even how greta thunberg teenage truant that she is, is in teenage truant that she is, is m pemope— teenage truant that she is, is m pemope om— teenage truant that she is, is in perhaps an oracle that we ought— in perhaps an oracle that we ought to— in perhaps an oracle that we ought to listen— in perhaps an oracle that we ought to listen to when it comes to mottere— ought to listen to when it comes to mottere ot— ought to listen to when it comes to matters of climate and economic policy . all of these economic policy. all of these tomge— economic policy. all of these tmmge t— economic policy. all of these things i think— economic policy. all of these things i think elon musk is a mero— things i think elon musk is a hero. tromktw. — things i think elon musk is a hero, frankly, for— things i think elon musk is a hero, frankly, for allowing us to te — hero, frankly, for allowing us to te otte— hero, frankly, for allowing us to be able to— hero, frankly, for allowing us to be able to air— hero, frankly, for allowing us to be able to air these opinions trot— to be able to air these opinions ttot go— to be able to air these opinions tmot go ogotmet— to be able to air these opinions that go against the grain. i wom— that go against the grain. i wont to— that go against the grain. i want to know— that go against the grain. i want to know what hateful speech is want to know what hateful speech te teuee— want to know what hateful speech te teuee t— want to know what hateful speech is because i didn't— want to know what hateful speech is because i didn't learn omwtmmg— is because i didn't learn anything from - is because i didn't learn anything from that interview. tme— anything from that interview. ttte tee— anything from that interview. this bbc reporter— anything from that interview. this bbc reporter later- anything from that interview. this bbc reporter later had no idea what the definition of what

he was talking about was. he couldn't say, as you said in your monologue there, he couldn't say what example urls there were. he said, oh, my four you page, which is where, you know, different tweets collate for your viewing erg are a bit nastier than normal. that is the point. nastier than normal. that is the potmt. t-tt— nastier than normal. that is the potmt. t-tt eome— nastier than normal. that is the point. i'll come to— nastier than normal. that is the point. i'll come to you- nastier than normal. that is the point. i'll come to you in- siti that is the point. i'll come to you in a eeoo — point. i'll come to you in a eeoo t— point. i'll come to you in a second. i will— point. i'll come to you in a second. i will just say that is the— second. i will just say that is the potmt— second. i will just say that is the point, emily,— second. i will just say that is the point, emily, is that they are so insulated— the point, emily, is that they are so insulated covid by any otter— are so insulated covid by any other eort— are so insulated covid by any other eort ot— are so insulated covid by any other sort of opposing opinion. t hey— other sort of opposing opinion. tmew tuet— other sort of opposing opinion. tmew tuet go— other sort of opposing opinion. they just go around assuming trot— they just go around assuming ttot tteee— they just go around assuming that these things are true. but wmem— that these things are true. but when tmet— that these things are true. but when their views,— that these things are true. but when their views, you know. give me om ekompte— when their views, you know. give me om ekompte ot— when their views, you know. give me an example of this hate epeeet— me an example of this hate epeeem wou— me an example of this hate speech you speak of. they can't gtwe— speech you speak of. they can't gtwe — speech you speak of. they can't gtwe took.— speech you speak of. they can't give one. look, i— speech you speak of. they can't give one. look, i think- speech you speak of. they can't give one. look, i think more than one thing can be true. it can be true that this bbc interview was a disaster for the bbc. the journalist was bbc. i think the journalist was reading something from reading reading something from their obviously there their phone. and obviously there weren't examples of hateful weren't any examples of hateful speech. but equally, i think all of of some of the of us are aware of some of the awful things which are said on twitter. had death threat on twitter. i had a death threat on twitter. i had a death threat on twitter at which i had to get the police involved in about. benjamin about just benjamin was talking about just before air. before we came in on air. someone wished that wished that this be he said, when's

this would be he said, when's your because your next birthday? because i hope your last. no, the hope it's your last. no, but the point is the point is i think it's a bit silly to say, oh, they didn't have an examples of hateful twitter . get hateful speech on twitter. get yourself it exists. yourself know that it exists. i mean, is get yourself off mean, it is get yourself off twitter because i mean, i have been on twitter before for elon musk. i we all have before musk. i mean, we all have before he musk. i mean, we all have before we took— musk. i mean, we all have before we took — musk. i mean, we all have before he took over. and— musk. i mean, we all have before he took over. and i've— i mean, we all have before he took over. and i've had my tott— he took over. and i've had my totr emote— he took over. and i've had my fair share of. _ he took over. and i've had my fair share of. so— he took over. and i've had my fair share of. so it- he took over. and i've had my fair share of. e : tix fair share of. so it does exist then we agree that hateful speech twitter point was speech on twitter the point was from journalist was it from the journalist was that it is something significant has happened over and happened since he took over and he couldn't give a single example. so the statistics that benjamin— example. so the statistics that benjamin -from - example. so the statistics that benjamin-from the- tixrit so the statistics that benjamin from the source benjamin gave from the source trot— benjamin gave from the source ttot wou— benjamin gave from the source tmot wou oom-t— benjamin gave from the source that you don't like, you not? that you don't like, do you not? they— that you don't like, do you not? mew-reported— that you don't like, do you not? mew-reported m— that you don't like, do you not? they-reported in the- that you don't like, do you not? they-reported in the new. they were reported in the new york new york times, york times, the new york times, important for benjamin important facts for benjamin ofsted. you'll delighted to ofsted. you'll be delighted to know— ofsted. you'll be delighted to know .— ofsted. you'll be delighted to know . wow.— ofsted. you'll be delighted to know . now, folks,— : you'll be delighted to know . now, folks, been an know. now, folks, it's been an oteotutetw— know. now, folks, it's been an absolutely fantastic show. i'm wou-tt— absolutely fantastic show. i'm sure you'll agree.— absolutely fantastic show. i'm sure you'll agree. thank you for wour— sure you'll agree. thank you for wour-amo— sure you'll agree. thank you for wour-kmoltte- sure you'll agree. thank you fori your-andlthe panel. your company. and to the panel. tekt— your company. and to the panel. text-rte— your company. and to the panel. weet-rte tme— your company. and to the panel. next it's the brilliant mark next up, it's the brilliant mark tutmett— next up, it's the brilliant mark tufnell dolan— next up, it's the brilliant mark tufnell dolan thanks for tufnell dolan even. thanks for wotemmg— tufnell dolan even. thanks for wotemmg .— tufnell dolan even. thanks for watching . we'll— tufnell dolan even. thanks for watching . we'll see you again watching. we'll see you again mett— watching. we'll see you again next week— watching. we'll see you again next week om— watching. we'll see you again next week on the— watching. we'll see you again next week on the saturday five kwtw. — next week on the saturday five kwtw. uetto — next week on the saturday five kwtw. uetto tm— next week on the saturday five kyiv. hello i'm craig snell. here— kyiv. hello i'm craig snell. here to— kyiv. hello i'm craig snell. here to wour— kyiv. hello i'm craig snell.

here is your latest- kyiv. hello i'm craig snell. here is your latest forecast from the met office. so as we go through the next few days, for many of us, it's going to be fairly cloudy tomorrow. but the brighter set to return brighter skies are set to return as we go into early week. as we go into early next week. so here's the situation at the moment. we've got high pressure trying across the uk, trying to move in across the uk, but these two weather fronts will many western will move in across many western areas we go through next areas as we go through the next 24 hours, bringing in another spell and rain. you can spell of cloud and rain. you can see the graphics here see it on the graphics here already into northern see it on the graphics here already and into northern see it on the graphics here already and eventuallyirthern see it on the graphics here already and eventually into rn ireland and eventually into scotland as the evening on scotland as the evening goes on for eastern parts , for many eastern parts, actually, it's going to remain fairly dry with some clear skies, the mist and skies, maybe the odd mist and fog but also here we fog patch. but also here we could just see a touch of frost. but further west where we see the cloud rain, it should be the cloud and rain, it should be a mild night. the a fairly mild night. the compared to recent . so tomorrow compared to recent. so tomorrow for a lot of us it starts off fairly grey. could you see some brightness across the east? but generally a lot of cloud around some outbreaks of rain to quite light and patchy though mainly nuisance value more than anything but then going anything else, but then going into the afternoon, brighter skies northern ireland and skies for northern ireland and scotland. trigger scotland. this may well trigger

a showers , but also feeling a few showers, but also feeling quite here in the sunshine quite warm here in the sunshine could see highs reaching 17 degrees quite degrees but still quite disappointing where that cloud lingers across of england lingers across parts of england and the evening. a and wales into the evening. a lot of the showers generally fading away. so as we go into the small hours of monday, actually quite a lot of the uk generally dry. some clear skies, especially scotland and especially across scotland and also across some eastern parts of england, too. here again, we could just see a touch of frost, but where the cloud hangs on, it should be fairly mild for most as we start monday morning . so as we start monday morning. so going into monday again , a going into monday again, a fairly cloudy start across the west. but it the clearer skies across the east will slowly spread their away a little bit further westwards as the day goes some good sunshine goes on. so some good sunshine developing across midlands, developing across the midlands, central england, central southern england, northern scotland maybe also northern scotland and maybe also northern ireland, too. and in the sunshine, especially come tuesday, see highs tuesday, we could see highs reaching 20 degrees in the .

nonh hello and welcome . this is hello and welcome. this is calvin's common- ej’jjz i this is calvin's common sense crusade . calvin's common sense crusade. wttt— calvin's common sense crusade. wttt me— calvin's common sense crusade. wttt tme— calvin's common sense crusade. with me, the reverend calvin tottmeom— with me, the reverend calvin kottmeom om— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on wour— robinson on your tv online and om wour wtreteee— robinson on your tv online and on your wireless today. we will be oteeueetmg— on your wireless today. we will be discussing why— on your wireless today. we will be discussing why there is a etortoge— be discussing why there is a etortoge ot— be discussing why there is a shortage of teachers and we'll to— shortage of teachers and we'll cross to france _ shortage of teachers and we'll cross to france to _ shortage of teachers and we'll cross to france to speak to the teooer— cross to france to speak to the teooer ot— cross to france to speak to the teooer ot o— cross to france to speak to the leader of a group— cross to france to speak to the leader of a group restoring eruettkee— leader of a group restoring crucifixes with— leader of a group restoring crucifixes with the message that thew— crucifixes with the message that ttew ttwe — crucifixes with the message that ttew ttwe tm— crucifixes with the message that tmew toe to o— crucifixes with the message that they live in a christian country . rtue— they live in a christian country . rtue. tm— they live in a christian country . due m the— they live in a christian country . plus, in the duel,— they live in a christian country . plus, in the duel, we'll be oektmg— . plus, in the duel, we'll be asking whether— . plus, in the duel, we'll be asking whether the is right asking whether the king is right to tmtroouee— asking whether the king is right to introduce other— asking whether the king is right to introduce other faiths in his mooemtet— to introduce other faiths in his modernist and— to introduce other faiths in his modernist and inclusive eoromotomt— modernist and inclusive coronation service or is he wotertmg— coronation service or is he watering down— coronation service or is he watering down the faith? he is to— watering down the faith? he is sworn to defend— watering down the faith? he is sworn to defend emma webb , my sworn to defend emma webb, my ettektek— sworn to defend emma webb, my etoektek. tor— sworn to defend emma webb, my sidekick, for today. _ sworn to defend emma webb, my sidekick, for today. what will wour— sidekick, for today. what will wour tokee— sidekick, for today. what will wour tokee t— sidekick, for today. what will your take? i think that the eoromotomt— your take? i think that the coronation should remain a etrtettom— coronation should remain a christian celebration. i think

ttot— christian celebration. i think ttot tt— christian celebration. i think that it would be wrong to just wantonly disregard the christian heritage, not just of the monarchy , but also of many of monarchy, but also of many of our institutions. and nigel nelson, my nemesis for today. what's your take on that ? that what's your take on that? that the coronation— what's your take on that? that the coronation is— what's your take on that? that the coronation is as— what's your take on that? that the coronation is as much a constitute an event as a religious one and because church and state are bound together and charles has also been crowned as head of state, he therefore has no alternative but to go through a church of england service. us there we go. we'll have i. 2: ti.ti. us there we go. we'll have much ot— there we go. we'll have much ot ttot— there we go. we'll have much more of that in— there we go. we'll have much more of that in the duel coming up. out— more of that in the duel coming up. put tetore— more of that in the duel coming up. but before that, here's the wttt— up. but before that, here's the news with tatiana— up. but before that, here's the news with tatiana sanchez . news with tatiana sanchez. eowtm— news with tatiana sanchez. calvin, thank— news with tatiana sanchez. calvin, thank you. i calvin, thank you. this is the toteet— calvin, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. merseyside police says 23 arrests were made after animal rights activists crossed the track at the grand national . track at the grand national. protesters breached security fences with at least two glueing themselves to a jump. the animal rising group says the