it would be wrong to just that it would be wrong to just wantonly disregard the christian heritage, not just of the monarchy , but also of many of monarchy, but also of many of our institutions. and nigel nelson, my nemesis for today. what's your take on that .7 that what's your take on that? that the coronation— what's your take on that? that the coronation is— what's your take on that? that the coronation is as— what's your take on that? that the coronation is as much a constitute an event as a religious one and because church and state are bound together and charles has also been crowned as head of state, he therefore has no alternative but to go through a church of england service. us there we go. we'll have t 2: (c: us there we go. we'll have much of— there we go. we'll have much of that— there we go. we'll have much more of that in— there we go. we'll have much more of that in the duel coming up. but— more of that in the duel coming up. bu. before— more of that in the duel coming up. but before that, here's the with— up. but before that, here's the news with tatiana— up. but before that, here's the news with tatiana sanchez . news with tatiana sanchez. calvin— news with tatiana sanchez. calvin, thank— news with tatiana sanchez. calvin, thank you. .; calvin, thank you. this is the latest— calvin, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. merseyside police says 23 arrests were made after animal rights activists crossed the track at the grand national . track at the grand national. protesters breached security fences with at least two glueing themselves to a jump. the animal rising group says the event is

cruel, with 60 horses dying at the aintree festival over the past 23 years. the disruption caused a 12 minute delay to the start of the race, which was eventually won by karim khan rambler . the eventually won by karim khan rambler. the government is under pressure to prevent the most extreme nurses strike. yet after the latest pay offer was rejected, members from the rcn voted against the 5% pay rise, meaning nhs nurses in emergency department, intensive care and cancer wards will take industrial action for the first time. the 48 hour walkout will start on the 30th of april, but 74% of unison members voted to accept the same offer . accept the same offer. meanwhile, royal mail and the communicate workers union have reached a deal on pay and employment terms. in a statement, the eu said the agreement will be considered by the executive of the union before being voted on by the union's membership . details on union's membership. details on the agreement are expected next

week . the shadow armed forces week. the shadow armed forces minister has told gb news a blind eye is being turned to predators around parliament. luke pollard has described westminster as the most unprofessional workplace he's encountered. speaking to gloria de piero, the mp who has recently announced he'll step back from politics, says victims of abuse and bullying are repeatedly being let down. i still don't think westminster is a safe place to work , especially a safe place to work, especially for many of the young members of staff that mps employ and we know that there are predators around westminster that are sometimes allowed to continue or a blind eye turned and i want to see that changed because i think westminster should embody the very best of our country. it should be a place that- should be a place that people aspire— should be a place that people aspire to,— should be a place that people aspire to, to— should be a place that people aspire to, to get— should be a place that people aspire to, to get elected to, and— aspire to, to get elected to, and then— aspire to, to get elected to, and then want— aspire to, to get elected to, and then want to change the worm— and then want to change the world from — and then want to change the world from a— and then want to change the world from a position of strength.— world from a position of strength. afraid world from a position of- strength.-afraid that at strength. and i'm afraid that at the-sometimes- the moment i sometimes feel westminster— the moment i sometimes feel westminster-the- the moment i sometimes feel westminster the rest of the westminster lets the rest of the country— westminster lets the rest of the corrrry dowr- — westminster lets the rest of the country down. you— westminster lets the rest of the country down. /r:ir. cr?“ westminster lets the rest of the country down. /r:ir. e?" t westminster lets the rest of the country down. /rvix t i“ t country down. you can watch that full interview with the shadow armed forces minister luke

pollard on gloria meets tomorrow at the scottish at 6 pm. the scottish government is considering drafting in the army to help run the key highland ferry service. it's after a vessel broke down last friday, resulting in a 42 mile diversion for on prospective passengers. the five minute crossing usually carries more than 270,000 cars a year. currently there's only a foot passenger service operating twice a day . and demonstrators twice a day. and demonstrators have gathered in london's trafalgar square to protest against the expansion of the ultra low emission zone . if it ultra low emission zone. if it goes ahead, drivers in outer london will have to pay £12.50 a day if their vehicles don't meet emission standards. five kyiv conservative led councils have launched legal action against the plans, but the mayor of london's office calls the challenge costly and misguided and argues the proposal is life saving . this is gb news. we'll saving. this is gb news. we'll bnng saving. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to calvin

where's our collective moral compass gone ? this week, the bbc compass gone? this week, the bbc rerersed— compass gone? this week, the bbc rerersed r— compass gone? this week, the bbc released a documentary— rtrir g“ this week, the bbc released a documentary series crued— released a documentary series called facelift_ released a documentary series called facelift ,_ released a documentary series called facelift , which follows called facelift, which follows homosexua— called facelift, which follows homosexual couple darren and tom as mer— homosexual couple darren and tom as rrey rur— homosexual couple darren and tom as rrey r— homosexual couple darren and tom as they run a cosmetic clinic and— as they run a cosmetic clinic and proceed— as they run a cosmetic clinic and proceed to— as they run a cosmetic clinic and proceed to procure a baby from— and proceed to procure a baby from rhe— and proceed to procure a baby from rrre us— and proceed to procure a baby from the us in— and proceed to procure a baby from the us in the trailer, the for rhe— from the us in the trailer, the for rrre four— from the us in the trailer, the for the four part— from the us in the trailer, the for the four part documentary, dr. for the four part documentary, on danen— for the four part documentary, dr. darren and— for the four part documentary, dr. darren and his husband talk aneur— dr. darren and his husband talk anear ane— dr. darren and his husband talk about the difficulty of aeanrnna— about the difficulty of aeaarnna a- about the difficulty of acquiring a baby in the uk due to acquiring a baby in the uk due re ear— acquiring a baby in the uk due to our surrogacy_ acquiring a baby in the uk due to our surrogacy laws being really— to our surrogacy laws being really complex,— to our surrogacy laws being really complex, as if buying a baby— really complex, as if buying a baby eneara— really complex, as if buying a baby should be— really complex, as if buying a baby should be easier instead of obeying— baby should be easier instead of obeying un— baby should be easier instead of obeying an ran,— baby should be easier instead of obeying uk law, they found it re— obeying uk law, they found it re fly— obeying uk law, they found it easier to fly abroad, purchase a baby— easier to fly abroad, purchase a baby fren— easier to fly abroad, purchase a baby from america and fly back . baby from america and fly back. wern— baby from america and fly back. wen, rnere— baby from america and fly back. well, there was— baby from america and fly back. well, there was a— baby from america and fly back. well, there was a time when paying— well, there was a time when paving rer— well, there was a time when paying for another human being weara— paying for another human being nearer nave— paying for another human being would have been— paying for another human being would have been considered slavew- — would have been considered slavery. babies— would have been considered slavery. babies are not commodities- slavery. babies are not commodities to be bought or rraaea— commodities to be bought or rraaea nen — commodities to be bought or traded from abroad. that is nanan— traded from abroad. that is human trafficking , surely. and human trafficking, surely. and

women-ner— human trafficking, surely. and women not incubators to women are not incubators to arran— women are not incubators to nrnn a— women are not incubators to nrnn a enra— women are not incubators to birth a child for— women are not incubators to birth a child for it to then be rnneararerr— birth a child for it to then be immediately taken from her. oh, nen— immediately taken from her. oh, how misogynistic_ immediately taken from her. oh, how misogynistic is that? i weara— how misogynistic is that? i nearer sav— how misogynistic is that? i nearer say a— how misogynistic is that? i would say a baby deserves to aren— would say a baby deserves to grew up— would say a baby deserves to grew up wran— would say a baby deserves to grow up with the— would say a baby deserves to grow up with the love of its name— grow up with the love of its nerner ana— grow up with the love of its mother and father and to be enarenea— mother and father and to be snatched away— mother and father and to be snatched away at birth for the nraneer— snatched away at birth for the highest paving— snatched away at birth for the highest paying bidder is abhorrent. _ highest paying bidder is abhorrent. designer couple, abhorrent. a designer couple, eennrere— abhorrent. a designer couple, complete with— abhorrent. a designer couple, complete with their designer earnes— complete with their designer erernee ana— complete with their designer clothes and designer, faces , clothes and designer, faces, nanr— clothes and designer, faces, nanr re— clothes and designer, faces, want to purchase a designer baby as n— want to purchase a designer baby as n ene— want to purchase a designer baby as n ene re— want to purchase a designer baby as n ene re a— want to purchase a designer baby as if she is a fashion accessory . ana— as if she is a fashion accessory . ana ane— as if she is a fashion accessory . ana rne nec— as if she is a fashion accessory . and the bbc is— as if she is a fashion accessory . and the bbc is showcasing this as n— . and the bbc is showcasing this as n r— . and the bbc is showcasing this as n rr re— . and the bbc is showcasing this as if it is morally— . and the bbc is showcasing this as if it is morally acceptable . as if it is morally acceptable. ana— as if it is morally acceptable. ana nnen— as if it is morally acceptable. ana nnen r— as if it is morally acceptable. and when i say— as if it is morally acceptable. and when i say designer baby, i ra— and when i say designer baby, i rr rn— and when i say designer baby, i mean it in the— and when i say designer baby, i mean it in the literal sense ree. — mean it in the literal sense ree. rne— mean it in the literal sense too. the couple— mean it in the literal sense too. the couple talked about how rner— too. the couple talked about how rney eereerea— too. the couple talked about how they selected their— too. the couple talked about how they selected their baby based on they selected their baby based en ane— they selected their baby based on the genetics— they selected their baby based on the genetics of her biological— on the genetics of her biological family. on the genetics of her biological family . this is biological family. this is dangerously— biological family. this is dangerously close to eugenics , dangerously close to eugenics, as dangerously close to eugenics, ae rnere-e— dangerously close to eugenics, ae rnere-e a— dangerously close to eugenics, as there's a reason the so earrea— as there's a reason the so called liberal— as there's a reason the so called liberal left has been naenrna— called liberal left has been nnenrna re— called liberal left has been pushing to smash heteronormativity and destroy heteronorm ativity and destroy the heteronormativity and destroy the traditional— heteronormativity and destroy the traditional family mentions of the traditional family mentions earne— the traditional family mentions of the nuclear— the traditional family mentions of the nuclear family bring aneur— of the nuclear family bring about spurns— of the nuclear family bring about spurns of homophobia and rranennenra— about spurns of homophobia and transphobia as— about spurns of homophobia and transphobia as if— about spurns of homophobia and transphobia as if wanting the nanan— transphobia as if wanting the human race to— transphobia as if wanting the human race to continue to exist ana— human race to continue to exist and rnnre— human race to continue to exist and hire re— human race to continue to exist and hire is a— human race to continue to exist and thrive is a bad— human race to continue to exist and thrive is a bad thing. i weara— and thrive is a bad thing. i would say— and thrive is a bad thing. i would say one— and thrive is a bad thing. i would say one of the reasons god

eraarnea— would say one of the reasons god ordained marriage— would say one of the reasons god ordained marriage to be between one man and one woman is for the purposes— one man and one woman is for the purposes er— one man and one woman is for the purposes of procreation reason so purposes of procreation reason no anar— purposes of procreation reason so that humans— purposes of procreation reason so that humans can continue to survive.— so that humans can continue to survive nar— so that humans can continue to survive, but also— so that humans can continue to survive, but also so— so that humans can continue to survive, but also so that we can reaer— survive, but also so that we can create families— survive, but also so that we can create families which are good for ane— create families which are good for the community and also for the for the community and also for rne werenrn— for the community and also for the worship-god. _ for the community and also for the worship god. it's not the worship of god. it's not nearer— the worship of god. it's not rocket science _ the worship of god. it's not rocket science .— the worship of god. it's not rocket science . it's destroy rocket science. it's destroy the fanny— rocket science. it's destroy the fanny ann— rocket science. it's destroy the fanny anrr .— rocket science. it's destroy the family unit . you— rocket science. it's destroy the family unit . you destroy the family unit. you destroy the commune.— family unit. you destroy the community. that and you community. do that and you nearer— community. do that and you aeerrey ear— community. do that and you destroy our nation state. and every— destroy our nation state. and every-wav— destroy our nation state. and even-narlear- destroy our nation state. and every way our life every single way of our life nnere— every single way of our life nnere ana— every single way of our life where and society is built on ane— where and society is built on the foundation— where and society is built on the foundation of the family ann— the foundation of the family unit centred— the foundation of the family unit centred around christian vanes-r — unit centred around christian values. those— unit centred around christian values. those values are being endea— values. those values are being ereaea. ar— values. those values are being eroded. at the— values. those values are being eroded. at the same time as the fanny— eroded. at the same time as the fanny ann— eroded. at the same time as the family anrr re— eroded. at the same time as the family unit is being replaced. so family unit is being replaced. so nnar— family unit is being replaced. so what will— family unit is being replaced. so what will be— family unit is being replaced. so what will be left ? surely we so what will be left? surely we nave — so what will be left? surely we nave a— so what will be left? surely we nave a nerar— so what will be left? surely we have a moral duty— so what will be left? surely we have a moral duty to say this is ner— have a moral duty to say this is ner okay— have a moral duty to say this is ner okay n— have a moral duty to say this is not okay if surrogacy laws in ne— not okay if surrogacy laws in rne uk— not okay if surrogacy laws in rne uk are— not okay if surrogacy laws in the uk are complex, perhaps we need— the uk are complex, perhaps we need re— the uk are complex, perhaps we need re nake— the uk are complex, perhaps we need to make them even more so. sneara— need to make them even more so. sneara ra— need to make them even more so. sneara rr ner— need to make them even more so. should it not be— need to make them even more so. should it not be illegal to parenaee— should it not be illegal to parenaee a— should it not be illegal to purchase a baby from abroad? and as a narren— purchase a baby from abroad? and as a nation with— purchase a baby from abroad? and as a nation with declining birth rares— as a nation with declining birth raree ana— as a nation with declining birth rates and declining fertility rares— rates and declining fertility raree ana— rates and declining fertility raree and a— rates and declining fertility rates and a number of social anerna— rates and a number of social issues arising as— rates and a number of social issues arising as a direct reentr— issues arising as a direct reearr er— issues arising as a direct result of fatherlessness and the breakdown — result of fatherlessness and the breakdown of— result of fatherlessness and the breakdown of the— result of fatherlessness and the breakdown of the family, we eneara — breakdown of the family, we eneara ne — breakdown of the family, we should be asking ourselves the aaeerren— should be asking ourselves the question what— should be asking ourselves the question what kind of nation do

we nanr— question what kind of nation do we ran re— question what kind of nation do we wanr re re— question what kind of nation do we want to be a— question what kind of nation do we want to be a nation that ewnnene— we want to be a nation that ewnnene ana— we want to be a nation that supports and encourages the rraarrrenar— supports and encourages the traditional family nation traditional family or a nation of designer— traditional family or a nation of designer babies for designer wreerwee— of designer babies for designer wreerwee .— lifestyles. wow- lifestyles. now who will lifestyles. - now who will and lifestyles. _ now who will and who wreerwee.— now who will and who won't be arrenarna— now who will and who won't be arrenarna ane— now who will and who won't be attending the king's coronation has attending the king's coronation nae been— attending the king's coronation nae neen ane— attending the king's coronation has been the topic of everyone's eenwerearenr — has been the topic of everyone's conversation this— has been the topic of everyone's conversation this week. but when it conversation this week. but when w earnes— conversation this week. but when w re— conversation this week. but when it comes to this— conversation this week. but when it comes to this momentous er— it comes to this momentous occasion of pomp and ceremony, were-e— occasion of pomp and ceremony, there's something— occasion of pomp and ceremony, there's something else that i fina— there's something else that i rrnalne— there's something else that i find-be much— there's something else that i find be much more concerning find to be much more concerning . cnwen— find to be much more concerning . church sources— find to be much more concerning . church sources say— find to be much more concerning . church sources say the monarch nae— . church sources say the monarch nae been— . church sources say the monarch nae neen rewa— . church sources say the monarch has been told desire for has been told his desire for a diverse— has been told his desire for a diverse ceremony,— has been told his desire for a diverse ceremony, including nanrernarren— diverse ceremony, including participation by— diverse ceremony, including participation by non—christians, newe— participation by non—christians, risks clashing— participation by non—christians, risks clashing with centuries old risks clashing with centuries era eanen— risks clashing with centuries old canon law— risks clashing with centuries old canon law ,_ risks clashing with centuries old canon law , which bars muslim old canon law, which bars muslim wnaw— old canon law, which bars muslim wnaw .— old canon law, which bars muslim wnaw . rewren— old canon law, which bars muslim hindu , jewish and— old canon law, which bars muslim hindu , jewish and other faith hindu, jewish and other faith reaaere— hindu, jewish and other faith leaders from _ hindu, jewish and other faith leaders from reading out prayers during— leaders from reading out prayers during ane— leaders from reading out prayers during the service.— leaders from reading out prayers during the service. so is the king— during the service. so is the king nan— during the service. so is the king nanr re— during the service. so is the king right to introduce multi—faith_ king right to introduce multi—faith elements to his more neaernrer— multi—faith elements to his more neaernrer ana— multi—faith elements to his more modernist and inclusive eerenarenr— modernist and inclusive coronation service? or is he warenna— coronation service? or is he warenna newn— coronation service? or is he watering down the faith he has re— watering down the faith he has sworn to defend?— watering down the faith he has sworn to defend? add this all nnnae— sworn to defend? add this all nnnae we— sworn to defend? add this all nnnae we re— sworn to defend? add this all brings us to this— sworn to defend? add this all brings us to this week's duel

ana— brings us to this week's duel and re— brings us to this week's duel and re ran— brings us to this week's duel and to join me— brings us to this week's duel and to join me on the duel this week— and to join me on the duel this week an— and to join me on the duel this week an my— and to join me on the duel this week on my duellists sidekick, rnna— week on my duellists sidekick, rnna wean.— week on my duellists sidekick, emma webb, and— week on my duellists sidekick, emma webb, and this week's nemesis, formerly britain's kenaeer— nemesis, formerly britain's longest serving— nemesis, formerly britain's longest serving political editor . week— longest serving political editor , wrgek weren— longest serving political editor , nigel nelson. thank you both so nwen— , nigel nelson. thank you both no mean rer— , nigel nelson. thank you both so much forjoining me this so much for joining me this week.— so much for joining me this week. r-n— so much for joining me this week. i'm going— so much for joining me this week. i'm going to start with nigelr— week. i'm going to start with week—re- week. i'm going to start with week—re aer- week. i'm going to start withi nigel,_to get your nigel, and i want to get your rake— nigel, and i want to get your rake-ann— nigel, and i want to get your take .this. should- nigel, and i want to get your take this. should king be take on this. should the king be warenna— take on this. should the king be warenna-ew— take on this. should the king be watering-our faith- take on this. should the king be watering our faith in this watering down our faith in this eerenarenr— watering down our faith in this coronation-order- watering down our faith in this coronation order to coronation service in order to be coronation service in order to ne-rnekwewe— coronation service in order to be-inclusive and- coronation service in order to be inclusive and diverse? be more inclusive and diverse? he be more inclusive and diverse? re-ne— be more inclusive and diverse? re-ne just— be more inclusive and diverse? re-ne just can-r— be more inclusive and diverse? he-he just can't do- be more inclusive and diverse? he-he just can't do it.- he can't he just can't do it. this matter for the next this is a matter for the next coronation rather than this one. so because he is the head of state and the church, church and state and the church, church and state are intertwined , he must, state are intertwined, he must, as head of the church of england, go through a church of england, go through a church of england service . now, that england service. now, that doesn't mean you don't include other religions or even none. but the only way i can see you can do that is certainly not in the ceremony. you might, for instance, be able to find an acceptable form of words to everyone, which is an oath of loyalty to the king. a prayer, perhaps, and put it on the service sheet that the other religions could sign. i don't

know how the humanists would quite cope with that, but you could do something that. could do something like that. but do is change the but you can't do is change the actual ceremony . de because that actual ceremony. de because that is part of our constitution. i tend to agree with you. i'm surprised. nigel thank- surprised. nigel thank you. wanna— surprised. nigel thank you. rnnnna wean.— surprised. nigel thank you. emma yeah, amen- surprised. nigel thank you. emma yeah, amen to- surprised. nigel thank you. emma yeah, amen to that. do we agree is king charles trying to be an absolute monarch here? is he trying to override r?" t , is he trying to override centuries old he trying to override centuries aka kawe— he trying to override centuries aka kawe ana— he trying to override centuries old laws and canon laws? l old laws and canon laws? it's rnrereswng— old laws and canon laws? it's interesting that— old laws and canon laws? it's interesting that ironically, he seems to be something seems to be doing something that's much in the that's very much in the tradition of the king charles's. i trying to, at least i think he's trying to, at least as far as we know, from what has come out in the press. he seems to be in characteristic fashion trying to his own trying to assert his own character on on on the coronation . and i think there coronation. and i think there are a lot of people who have defended him, have said it's his right to do so. how dare you comment on this? you're not in the family. you have no the royal family. you have no sort of rights over how this should be done. don't should be done. and i don't think that's true at all. and i think that's true at all. and i think you i agree with you completely. this is this is a constant matter. constant national matter. i think should really be think that we should really be

very standing by very staunch in standing by canon this. really canon law on this. and really fighting back against the really the accusation, the argument that to be a christian country , that to be a christian country, to have to acknowledge the roots of our christian institutions , of our christian institutions, the roots of our law within christianity , the fact that christianity, the fact that christianity, the fact that christianity and our christian culture and tradition and history is responsible for the liberties that we enjoy today. and i think that we should be very staunch in defending that. and making it very clear that actually , like i said, a lot of actually, like i said, a lot of the liberties that we enjoy today are a result of that christian heritage. and therefore it's not to the exclusion of people of other faiths or tolerance of people who different beliefs . yes, who have different beliefs. yes, they be involved in the they can be involved in the coronation some but to coronation in some way, but to involve them in the ceremony in contradiction to canon law would simply be wrong . wrong. and simply be wrong. wrong. and i also think that it would be he i think it would be seriously misled. i think it would have knock effects for this would knock on effects for this would send message to other send a message to other institutions . and we do live in

institutions. and we do live in this of culture this kind of culture of repudiation, rogerscruton repudiation, as roger scruton called it, where we're constantly denigrating our own history and traditions. constantly denigrating our own history and traditions . and i history and traditions. and i think king charles should know better than that. he's a very well man, he should be well read man, and he should be standing up for the traditions of coronation, think, as of the coronation, i think, as his would wanted. his mother would have wanted. well, the idea of well, he did float the idea of kerne— well, he did float the idea of being defender— well, he did float the idea of being defender of faith. mean, being defender of faith. i mean, anar— being defender of faith. i mean, war-ene— being defender of faith. i mean, rnar-ene er— being defender of faith. i mean, that-one of his— being defender of faith. i mean, that one of his original that was one of his original wean.— that was one of his original raeae.—enl that was one of his original. ideas._on that ideas. he's gone back on that .rnar— ideas. he's gone back on that now.-that again,- ideas. he's gone back on that now. that again, it wasn't now. but that again, it wasn't neeernke. — now. but that again, it wasn't neeernke. r— now. but that again, it wasn't possible. i mean,— now. but that again, it wasn't possible. i mean, i think that wnen— possible. i mean, i think that wnen kr— possible. i mean, i think that when it comes— possible. i mean, i think that when it comes down to christian rraarrrene— when it comes down to christian traditions,_was- traditions, that emma was rakkrna— traditions, that emma was talking-there,- traditions, that emma was talking there, there traditions, that emma was talking-there, there a talking about, there, there is a erran— talking about, there, there is a erranr problem— talking about, there, there is a slight problem with with slight problem with this with the slight problem with this with rne-rne— slight problem with this with the-the world,- the rest of the world, because wnar—rnar- the rest of the world, because what—that all. the rest of the world, because. what—that all the what we've done is that all the amjor— what we've done is that all the major institutions— what we've done is that all the major institutions set up the major institutions set up by the weer— major institutions set up by the weer nen — major institutions set up by the west from .united- major institutions set up by the west from united nations, us west from the united nations, us to west from the united nations, us re ware— west from the united nations, us re wkro .— west from the united nations, us re wkro . re— west from the united nations, us re wkro . re any— west from the united nations, us to nato , to any other major kind to nato, to any other major kind of international— to nato, to any other major kind of international institutions , i of international institutions, i naeea— of international institutions, i mean, based on— of international institutions, i mean, based on christian values, war-e— mean, based on christian values, rnar-e au— mean, based on christian values, rnar-e akk verv— mean, based on christian values, that's all very well,— mean, based on christian values, that's all very well, but that's nakrna— that's all very well, but that's making an— that's all very well, but that's making an assumption that the cnnewan— making an assumption that the christian values— making an assumption that the christian values are the right ana— christian values are the right ones and values— christian values are the right ones and values and the rest of the ones and values and the rest of we warra— ones and values and the rest of the world aren't. _ ones and values and the rest of the world aren't. but the rest of ne— the world aren't. but the rest or we warra— the world aren't. but the rest of the world does— the world aren't. but the rest of the world does follow us. yesr _ of the world does follow us. ken. war-s— of the world does follow us. yes, that's right— of the world does follow us. yes, that's right .— of the world does follow us. yes, that's right. you- of the world does follow us. yes, that's right . you mean yes yes, that's right. you mean yes . yes. you agree that's what sneake— . yes. you agree that's what enewka nannen— . yes. you agree that's what should happen ?_ yes. you agree that's what should happen ? yes. but you

should happen? yes. but you nen-r— should happen? yes. but you aen-r rnrnk— should happen? yes. but you don't think that— should happen? yes. but you don't think that is actually fairly— don't think that is actually fairly disrupting to into narrenak— fairly disrupting to into national relations? no, because to national relations? no, because re rekare— national relations? no, because to relate with— national relations? no, because to relate with other nations, vou— to relate with other nations, wen nen-r— to relate with other nations, you don't have— to relate with other nations, you don't have to take on board rnerr— you don't have to take on board rnerrwakwee. — you don't have to take on board their values. you _ you don't have to take on board their values. v./rix you don't have to take on board theirvalues. v/rix. you don't have to take on board their values. v/rix. �*" r: their values. you have to find a common ground. and i think the problem here is that we're addressing multicultural ism, aren't we? we're saying we are a multicultural society. how do we show in the ceremony show that in the ceremony of coronating, king? coronating, our our new king? and in fact, i don't think we need to. i think the reason we're multicultural is because people of faiths and people of other faiths and cultures and live cultures want to come and live in england they like our in england because they like our culture and like culture and they like our values. so therefore should values. so therefore we should shine values shine forward with our values and this is what means and say, this is what it means to be a christian country. this is a christian ceremony. christian you christian service. you can you can board. you can can take it on board. you can admire it. you can be a part of it, but you can't change it. but we actually use christianity as an excuse colonise the as an excuse to colonise the rear— as an excuse to colonise the reer er— as an excuse to colonise the reer ear-warra— as an excuse to colonise the rest of-world on- as an excuse to colonise the rest of world on the basis rest of the world on the basis anar— rest of the world on the basis rnar-nwererw - rest of the world on the basis that mystery. hang on. that that's a mystery. hang on. on that that's a mystery. hang on. en-naere— that that's a mystery. hang on. on-basis that— that that's a mystery. hang on. on basis that christianity on the basis that christianity was undoubtedly thing. it was undoubtedly a good thing. it is. was undoubtedly a good thing. it re-rnrnk— was undoubtedly a good thing. it re-rnrnk kr— was undoubtedly a good thing. it re-rnrnk rr re— is. yes, i think it is undoubtedly a good thing. but erner—rnrnkl undoubtedly a good thing. but. other—think that other people may not think that -enanaea— other people may not think that now. -changed that- other people may not think that now. changed that round, now. we've changed that round, so we expen—

now. we've changed that round, so we export democracy go and so we export democracy to go and rnwaae— so we export democracy to go and invade—countries- invade and islamic countries and saw—nasa- invade and islamic countries and saw—nae nave- invade and islamic countries andi say,_must have now say, oh, what you must have now is say, oh, what you must have now re—kna— say, oh, what you must have now re—kna rr-e— say, oh, what you must have now re—kna we a- say, oh, what you must have now is_and it's a kind- say, oh, what you must have now is_and it's a kind of. is democracy. and it's a kind of weerern— is democracy. and it's a kind of weerern fern — is democracy. and it's a kind of western form democracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswen form democracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswe so>rm democracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswe so certainiemocracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswe so certain that cracy. why is democracy. and it's a kind of weswe so certain that these why are we so certain that these rnrnae— are we so certain that these things-absolute- are we so certain that these things absolute albie right. things are absolute albie right. you things are absolute albie right. ken ae— things are absolute albie right. ken no war— things are absolute albie right. you do you agree— things are absolute albie right. you do you agree with nigel that we sneake— you do you agree with nigel that we enewka aren— you do you agree with nigel that we should stop colonising eewnnere— we should stop colonising- countries—democracy countries in favour of democracy ana— countries in favour of democracy and ear— countries in favour of democracy and start colonising in favour of christianity— and start colonising in favour of christianity again? i call anar— of christianity again? i call war-w— of christianity again? i call that-it round.- of christianity again? i call that it round. yeah. well that turned it round. yeah. well spicy calvin . i think that spicy calvin. i think that were-e— spicy calvin. i think that there's this— ear .. i think that there's this prevailing idea rnar— there's this prevailing idea that neutrality— there's this prevailing idea that neutrality is possible. the rnerrrwrrene— that neutrality is possible. the institutions ,_ that neutrality is possible. the institutions , countries, institutions, countries, international institutions can international institutions can in way— international institutions can in way be— international institutions can in some way be neutral and await— in some way be neutral and actually liberalism and liberal aeneeraew— actually liberalism and liberal democracy for— actually liberalism and liberal democracy for a _ actually liberalism and liberal democracy for a long time nreeanea— democracy for a long time resumed in— democracy for a long time presumed in a— democracy for a long time presumed in a way presumed its newrrakrrw.— presumed in a way presumed its own neutrality. and that was one of own neutrality. and that was one or we — own neutrality. and that was one or we wake— own neutrality. and that was one or we ways in— own neutrality. and that was one of the ways in which it treated— of the ways in which it justified spreading itself arewra— justified spreading itself around the— justified spreading itself around the world. so i we around the world. so i think we need— around the world. so i think we need re— around the world. so i think we need re re— around the world. so i think we need to be honest— around the world. so i think we need to be honest with ourselves rnar— need to be honest with ourselves that institutions,— need to be honest with ourselves that institutions, countries, ewkrwee— that institutions, countries, cultures historical that institutions, countries,l cultures-historical , cultures are not a historical, newrrak— cultures are not a historical, neutral things— cultures are not a historical, neutral things that exist ewrerae— neutral things that exist outside of— neutral things that exist outside of time and culture and rraarrren— outside of time and culture and tradition, but— outside of time and culture and tradition, but actually are reerea— tradition, but actually are reerea kn— tradition, but actually are rooted in particular histories ana— rooted in particular histories and erner— rooted in particular histories and other countries are entitled to and other countries are entitled re rnar— and other countries are entitled to that themselves. there's nernrna— to that themselves. there's nernrng wrene— to that themselves. there's nothing wrong or exclusionary

aneur— nothing wrong or exclusionary about acknowledging the cnnerran— about acknowledging the christian roots of this country ana— christian roots of this country and treasuring_ christian roots of this country and treasuring that because we see and treasuring that because we rne— and treasuring that because we rne aeea— and treasuring that because we see the good that— and treasuring that because we see the good that it has done in the see the good that it has done in we were— see the good that it has done in we were ae— see the good that it has done in the world as well— see the good that it has done in the world as well as rikki neave nann— the world as well as rikki neave risingr rnar— the world as well as rikki neave rising, that sometimes these rnrnae— rising, that sometimes these wines—ana- rising, that sometimes these rnrnee—ana eeri things get distorted and get ween— things get distorted and get ween-ear- things get distorted and get used-but it's- things get distorted and get used but it's insisting used for bad. but it's insisting our used for bad. but it's insisting earn-— used for bad. but it's insisting our-is better- used for bad. but it's insisting our-is better than- our morality is better than were —rel our morality is better than- theirs. _is better theirs. some morality is better rnan— theirs. some morality is better rnan-erner— theirs. some morality is better than-other people- theirs. some morality is better than other people assert. than what other people assert. werakrrw. — than what other people assert. werawrw. wee— than what other people assert. morality. not all— than what other people assert. morality. \rrir gs morality. not all things are equal morality. not all things are equal. are equal. not all cultures are equal equal. not all cultures are equal. beliefs are equal. not all beliefs are equal equal. not all beliefs are equal. but i love it when the left the right come left and the right come to a common ground. i'm doing a poll on twitter to find out what you guys about this as well. guys think about this as well. is right to introduce is the king right to introduce multi—faith to his more multi—faith prayers to his more modernist inclusive modernist and inclusive coronation it coronation service, or should it remain christian service? coronation service, or should it remaiiare christian service? coronation service, or should it remaiiare two ;tian service? coronation service, or should it remaiiare two options vice? coronation service, or should it remaiiare two options there for there are two options there for you on throughout the you to vote on throughout the show, the is open until show, and the poll is open until 7:40 so you've still got 7:40 pm. so you've still got plenty of time cast your vote plenty of time to cast your vote and i'll bring you the results before of the programme before the end of the programme next getting behind next up, we'll be getting behind the delving further the headline by delving further into many coronation into the many coronation conundrums the unparalleled conundrums with the unparalleled historian broadcaster dr. historian and broadcaster dr. david starkey. don't go away .

welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv onune calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless . online and on your wireless. three weeks today, many of us no doubt will be glued to our screens to witness the historic event of king charles's coronation. the king or queen of england, has been christian since the seventh century, a mission began in the sixth mission that began in the sixth century. and i've been speaking to and to broadcaster, historian and self proclaimed atheist dr. david starkey about what our future looks like with king charles iii on the throne. here's what he had to say. gb news website alleges that the order of service for king charles's coronation has been delayed because of disagreements between him and the church about faith. elements of the service . faith. elements of the service. as a self—proclaimed atheist , as a self—proclaimed atheist, david, would you describe the

coronation as an explicitly christian service ? the christian service? the coronation is r?" t.ri;? the coronation is utterly r?" t.r:i;7 the coronation is utterly and aneekwrew— coronation is utterly and absolutely explicitly christian in we— absolutely explicitly christian in we eenee— absolutely explicitly christian in the sense of— absolutely explicitly christian in the sense of the body of the eerwee. — in the sense of the body of the eerwee. rne— in the sense of the body of the service. the to— in the sense of the body of the service. the to the— in the sense of the body of the service. the to the notions of anernrrne— service. the to the notions of anernrrna .— service. the to the notions of anointing , the— service. the to the notions of anointing , the notions of anointing, the notions of anernrrna— anointing, the notions of anernrrna .— anointing, the notions of anointing , which is the heart of anointing, which is the heart of all anointing, which is the heart of akk er— anointing, which is the heart of akk er rnre— anointing, which is the heart of akk er rnre .— anointing, which is the heart of all of this , and— anointing, which is the heart of all of this , and not even all of this, and not even specifically _ all of this, and not even specifically christian there, ora— specifically christian there, old testament— specifically christian there, old testament , they go back to old testament, they go back to the old testament, they go back to we anernrrna— old testament, they go back to the anointing by— old testament, they go back to the anointing by the prophet sanwek— the anointing by the prophet sanwek er— the anointing by the prophet samuel of the— the anointing by the prophet samuel of the first king of the reraekrree— samuel of the first king of the israelites or— samuel of the first king of the israelites or the— samuel of the first king of the israelites or the first king of we— israelites or the first king of we rewe— israelites or the first king of we rewe .— israelites or the first king of the jews . saul— israelites or the first king of the jews . saul again , the great the jews. saul again, the great anrnen— the jews. saul again, the great anrnen rnar— the jews. saul again, the great anthem that will— the jews. saul again, the great anthem that will be sung after the anthem that will be sung after we king-e— anthem that will be sung after the king's anointing with the win— the king's anointing with the wrrn rne— the king's anointing with the with the music— the king's anointing with the with the music by handel zadok , with the music by handel zadok, the with the music by handel zadok, rne nneew— with the music by handel zadok, rne priest ana— with the music by handel zadok, the priest, and nathan the weaker— the priest, and nathan the prophet anointed solomon king. and we— prophet anointed solomon king. and this element— prophet anointed solomon king. and this element is absent . and this element is absent. kneekwrew— and this element is absent. absolutely embedded at the heart of absolutely embedded at the heart er rne— absolutely embedded at the heart of the coronation— absolutely embedded at the heart of the coronation service. it's rnen— of the coronation service. it's rnen er— of the coronation service. it's then, of course,— of the coronation service. it's then, of course, adapted with we— then, of course, adapted with the reformation— then, of course, adapted with the reformation and more nanrewkarkw— the reformation and more particularly with the glorious kewekwrren— particularly with the glorious revolution of _ particularly with the glorious revolution of 1689 to a specific rrereeranr— revolution of 1689 to a specific protestant service.— revolution of 1689 to a specific

protestant service. but so do we rearw— protestant service. but so do we reakkw begin— protestant service. but so do we reakkw begin .— protestant service. but so do we really begin , calvin, correctly really begin, calvin, correctly keekrna— really begin, calvin, correctly keekrna ar— really begin, calvin, correctly looking at the— really begin, calvin, correctly looking at the coronation in eenrekr— looking at the coronation in eenrekr .— looking at the coronation in context , that— looking at the coronation in context , that the coronation is context, that the coronation is rearw— context, that the coronation is reakkw rwe— context, that the coronation is really two things. _ context, that the coronation is really two things. it's a eerwee— really two things. it's a eerwee er— really two things. it's a service of consecration of a rnenaren— service of consecration of a rnenaren wne— service of consecration of a monarch who at— service of consecration of a monarch who at least technically is monarch who at least technically re arwnew— monarch who at least technically is divinely ordained. the erg by the is divinely ordained. the erg by we araee— is divinely ordained. the erg by we eraee er— is divinely ordained. the erg by the grace of god,— is divinely ordained. the erg by the grace of god, the defender of the grace of god, the defender er rne— the grace of god, the defender er rne fairn— the grace of god, the defender of the faith. fidei _ the grace of god, the defender of the faith. fidei defensor . of the faith. fidei defensor. ear— of the faith. fidei defensor. ear rne— of the faith. fidei defensor. but the coronation begins with eenernrne— but the coronation begins with something else.— but the coronation begins with something else. it's not just consecration, _ something else. it's not just consecration, it's— something else. it's not just consecration, it's contract. it weakne— consecration, it's contract. it begins wrrn— consecration, it's contract. it begins with the— consecration, it's contract. it begins with the swearing of earne— begins with the swearing of oaths which— begins with the swearing of oaths which are _ begins with the swearing of oaths which are about the aewernnenr— oaths which are about the government of— oaths which are about the government of the country and nanrewkarw— government of the country and particularly the— government of the country and particularly the government of the particularly the government of we eeanrrw — particularly the government of the country. according to the raw— the country. according to the kawe naeeea— the country. according to the laws passed in— the country. according to the laws passed in parliament. so it's laws passed in parliament. so we rneee— laws passed in parliament. so it's these two— laws passed in parliament. so it's these two elements. okay kna— it's these two elements. okay and if— it's these two elements. okay and it were— it's these two elements. okay and if we're now— it's these two elements. okay and if we're now living- it's these two elements. okay and if we're now living in- it's these two elements. okay and if we're now living in a multicultural multi faith society, what's wrong with faith leaders of other faiths saying prayers as part of this service to make it more inclusive ? kyiv to make it more inclusive? kyiv in fact, if you go back to the last coronation a very long time

ago into a very different world, the world of 1953 and the late her late majesty, queen elizabeth ii, there was indeed a role for the moderator of the general assembly of the church of scotland, who presents a bible and obviously an intensely biblical form of christianity in in scotland , with in scotland, with presbyterianism being the official religion of scotland . official religion of scotland. and by the way, of course, what we are — and by the way, of course, what we are render— and by the way, of course, what we do forget here— and by the way, of course, what we do forget here in the anglocentric_ we do forget here in the anglocentric world of england is war— anglocentric world of england is rnar kn— anglocentric world of england is that in scotland,— anglocentric world of england is that in scotland, the king has got that in scotland, the king has aer a— that in scotland, the king has got a different— that in scotland, the king has got a different religion or a arrrerenr— got a different religion or a different variety of christianity. he is oppressed nwrenan— christianity. he is oppressed nwrenan ana— christianity. he is oppressed byterian and however, the rrereeranr— byterian and however, the protestant establishment in rnakana— protestant establishment in england re— protestant establishment in england is there, the church of rnakana. — england is there, the church of rngkana. ear— england is there, the church of england. but what i think you wru— england. but what i think you win fine.— england. but what i think you will find, calvin,— england. but what i think you will find, calvin, is that neenke— will find, calvin, is that neenke er— will find, calvin, is that people of other faiths , people of other faiths, particularly- people of other faiths, particularly i think islam and the particularly i think islam and we kenan— particularly i think islam and the roman catholic church , are the roman catholic church, are very— the roman catholic church, are wen happy— the roman catholic church, are very happy for_ the roman catholic church, are very happy for the_ the roman catholic church, are very happy for the establishment of very happy for the establishment er enaren— very happy for the establishment er rekreren kn— very happy for the establishment of religion in england because wnwke— of religion in england because unlike virtually— of religion in england because unlike virtually every other

eewnrrw— unlike virtually every other eeanrrw n— unlike virtually every other country, it gives religion an errrerak— country, it gives religion an official status— country, it gives religion an official status within politics. kna— official status within politics. ana nw— official status within politics. ana wea— official status within politics. and now you began by saying, i'm an anaer— and now you began by saying, i'm an atheist. you— and now you began by saying, i'm an atheist. you are— and now you began by saying, i'm an atheist. you are ,_ and now you began by saying, i'm an atheist. you are , of course, an atheist. you are, of course, kranr. — an atheist. you are, of course, kranr. ear— an atheist. you are, of course, right. but when— an atheist. you are, of course, right. but when i'm teasing neenke— right. but when i'm teasing neenke er— right. but when i'm teasing people of faith— right. but when i'm teasing people of faith like you, i eknkarn— people of faith like you, i explain wen— people of faith like you, i explain very clearly. i am a very— explain very clearly. i am a wen high— explain very clearly. i am a very high church- explain very clearly. i am a very high church atheist . i very high church atheist. i renewe— very high church atheist. i newewe kn— very high church atheist. i believe in the— very high church atheist. i believe in the importance of eerernenw r— believe in the importance of ceremony. i believe in the rnnenanee— ceremony. i believe in the importance of— ceremony. i believe in the importance of if you like, what the wonderful— importance of if you like, what the wonderful edmund burke calls the wonderful edmund burke calls rne aeeenr— the wonderful edmund burke calls the decent draperies, the decent aranenee— the decent draperies, the decent aranenee er— the decent draperies, the decent draperies of ceremony that hang and allegiance— draperies of ceremony that hang and allegiance and passion and reve— and allegiance and passion and kewe. rnar— and allegiance and passion and love. that hang— and allegiance and passion and love. that hang over the brutal reakrrree— love. that hang over the brutal reakrrree er— love. that hang over the brutal realities of power. _ love. that hang over the brutal realities of power. now it's very— realities of power. now it's wen eaen— realities of power. now it's wen eaen re— realities of power. now it's very easy to mock them, but i rnrnk— very easy to mock them, but i rnrnk anen— very easy to mock them, but i think they matter— very easy to mock them, but i think they matter and they narrer— think they matter and they matter profoundly. the fact that the matter profoundly. the fact that we king— matter profoundly. the fact that the king properly_ matter profoundly. the fact that the king properly understood is the king properly understood is we narrenak— the king properly understood is the national symbol is one of ne— the national symbol is one of we eenrrak— the national symbol is one of the central reasons that engine.— the central reasons that england, britain, the british empifer_ england, britain, the british empire, avoided the horrors of newrreak— empire, avoided the horrors of political division— empire, avoided the horrors of political division between the errerne— political division between the errerne nnnr— political division between the extreme right and extreme left

of extreme right and extreme left er rne— extreme right and extreme left er rne earn— extreme right and extreme left of the early 20th _ extreme right and extreme left of the early 20th century. it's why,— of the early 20th century. it's whvr eenrran— of the early 20th century. it's whvr eenrran re— of the early 20th century. it's why, contrary to what everybody ene— why, contrary to what everybody savsr rnnwen— why, contrary to what everybody says, english nationalism is seen— says, english nationalism is seen a— says, english nationalism is such a gentle— says, english nationalism is such a gentle thing . in contrast such a gentle thing. in contrast wran— such a gentle thing. in contrast wrrn rne— such a gentle thing. in contrast with the fervours_ such a gentle thing. in contrast with the fervours of scottish nationalists— with the fervours of scottish nationalists or— with the fervours of scottish nationalists or irish nationalists. i mean, we've nationalists or irish— nationalists. i mean, we've seen in ne— nationalists. i mean, we've seen in we narwe— nationalists. i mean, we've seen in we narwe er— nationalists. i mean, we've seen in the nature of nationalism in scotland,— in the nature of nationalism in seewana. we — in the nature of nationalism in scotland, we all— in the nature of nationalism in scotland, we all know about the nenere— scotland, we all know about the nenere er— scotland, we all know about the horrors of the— scotland, we all know about the horrors of the ira— scotland, we all know about the horrors of the ira and sinn fein ana— horrors of the ira and sinn fein ana wen— horrors of the ira and sinn fein ane wen wken— horrors of the ira and sinn fein and very likely disguised by the by and very likely disguised by the kn rne— and very likely disguised by the kn we need— and very likely disguised by the by the good friday agreement. rnakana— by the good friday agreement. rnnkana re— by the good friday agreement. england is different because in rraarrrenakn— england is different because in traditionally the— england is different because in traditionally the passions of the traditionally the passions of we erare — traditionally the passions of the state have— traditionally the passions of the state have not been identified _ the state have not been identified with nationhood, with wane— identified with nationhood, with tags .— identified with nationhood, with rkaae . wrrn— identified with nationhood, with flags , with, with _ identified with nationhood, with flags , with, with marching up flags, with, with marching up ana— flags, with, with marching up and newn— flags, with, with marching up and aewn er— flags, with, with marching up and down of soldiers in modern areee. — and down of soldiers in modern areas. we— and down of soldiers in modern dress. it's this— and down of soldiers in modern dress. it's this faintly ruritanian_ dress. it's this faintly ruritanian thing of monarchy and its ruritanian thing of monarchy and we nenwe— ruritanian thing of monarchy and we nenrke ana— ruritanian thing of monarchy and its gentle and its— ruritanian thing of monarchy and its gentle and its civilised and nrereneakn— its gentle and its civilised and historically rooted and it's of rnre— historically rooted and it's of course, this is— historically rooted and it's of course, this is where i think we— course, this is where i think we king— course, this is where i think we king re— course, this is where i think the king is getting it terribly wrena— the king is getting it terribly wrong. whereas— the king is getting it terribly wrong. whereas advisors are nearing— wrong. whereas advisors are nearing n— wrong. whereas advisors are getting it terribly wrong. it's self—consciously not modern.

rnre— self—consciously not modern. this constant— self—consciously not modern. this constant chatter of modernisation , the words modern modernisation, the words modern and nenarenn— modernisation, the words modern and nenarenn .— modernisation, the words modern and monarchy . do— modernisation, the words modern and monarchy . do you really and monarchy. do you really renewe— and monarchy. do you really renwrre naen— and monarchy. do you really require much intelligence to earne— require much intelligence to realise that— require much intelligence to realise that modern and monarchy wen-r— realise that modern and monarchy aen-r 90— realise that modern and monarchy don't go together?— realise that modern and monarchy don't go together? that the nenarenn— don't go together? that the monarchy itself— don't go together? that the monarchy itself is a statement of monarchy itself is a statement er ewkean— monarchy itself is a statement of burkean historical continuity 7 of burkean historical continuity ? i of burkean historical continuity e r ean— of burkean historical continuity e r .— of burkean historical continuity e r . r— of burkean historical continuity ? i mean , i really— of burkean historical continuity ? i mean , i really do not ? i mean, i really do not understand— ? i mean, i really do not understand what the i mean, it's not understand what the i mean, it's ner ae— understand what the i mean, it's ner ae rneaan— understand what the i mean, it's not as though the— understand what the i mean, it's not as though the king is short of not as though the king is short er aawee. — not as though the king is short er aawee. we— not as though the king is short of advice. he may— not as though the king is short of advice. he may actually have too of advice. he may actually have ree nwen— of advice. he may actually have too much advice.— of advice. he may actually have too much advice. he's the only king— too much advice. he's the only king re— too much advice. he's the only king re nawe— too much advice. he's the only king to have had— too much advice. he's the only king to have had joint private eeeeaneer — king to have had joint private secretaries. you _ king to have had joint private secretaries. you know, you have, sir secretaries. you know, you have, air cwwe— secretaries. you know, you have, sir clive alderton _ secretaries. you know, you have, sir clive alderton and sir reward— sir clive alderton and sir edward young— sir clive alderton and sir edward young . and are they edward young. and are they rakkrne— edward young. and are they talking against— edward young. and are they talking against each other? are rnen— talking against each other? are new a— talking against each other? are rnen a knee— talking against each other? are rnen a kind er— talking against each other? are they a kind of gilbert and swwwan— they a kind of gilbert and sullivan chorus? are they a anew— sullivan chorus? are they a wee wne— sullivan chorus? are they a duet? who is— sullivan chorus? are they a duet? who is seriously advising nin— duet? who is seriously advising nrn e — duet? who is seriously advising nrn e war-e— duet? who is seriously advising him ? that's a— duet? who is seriously advising him ? that's a good- duet? who is seriously advising him? that's a good point. you can either have modernised nafion can either have modernised nation or monarchy. not necessarily both . that was necessarily both. that was broadcast and historian david starkey, thank you, as always, for your time, sir. you can watch the full version of that on youtube and do watch it because it's a lot spicy. it gets spicier as we go on.

gets a lot spicier as we go on. now erecting religious symbols in public places is not a common sight france , a nation where sight in france, a nation where the separation church and the separation of church and state enshrined under a law state was enshrined under a law in 1905 that made it illegal. restoring them, however, is allowed, which is why residents in the village of erg in loire valley are welcoming newly renovated crucifixes erected by a group called sos calvary . a group called sos calvary. despite portraying itself as secular, apolitical and uninterested in stoking culture wars, the group has come under fire, with critics saying they have links to france's hard right. can you believe it? joining us now to discuss this is ceo alexander kelly. thank you for joining is ceo alexander kelly. thank you forjoining us. alexander you for joining us. alexander how much support is there out there for what you guys are doing? what sorry ? how much doing? what sorry? how much support is there out there for what you guys are doing ? well, what you guys are doing? well, first of all, just let me pardon my french because it has been ages since i haven't spoken

english. well, we don't we have eannen— english. well, we don't we have ewnnen fren— english. well, we don't we have ewnnen rren .— english. well, we don't we have ewnnen ten new— g well, we don't we have support from , you know, people , support from, you know, people, but support from, you know, people, war we— support from, you know, people, war we nen-r— support from, you know, people, but we don't have— support from, you know, people, but we don't have support from the but we don't have support from we eeanew— but we don't have support from we eewnerk .— but we don't have support from the council . so— but we don't have support from the council . so we— but we don't have support from the council . so we have to cope the council. so we have to cope wrrn— the council. so we have to cope with financial,— the council. so we have to cope with financial, legal and reennreak— with financial, legal and technical issues ourselves. wewewer— technical issues ourselves. wewewerkee— technical issues ourselves. however yes, just like i said , however yes, just like i said, we ner— however yes, just like i said, we ner a— however yes, just like i said, we tea a ker— however yes, just like i said, we got a lot of— however yes, just like i said, we got a lot of support from the neenke— we got a lot of support from the neenke. se— we got a lot of support from the neenke. se we— we got a lot of support from the people. so we have, um , we have people. so we have, um, we have rnan— people. so we have, um, we have rnan r— people. so we have, um, we have more than i think— people. so we have, um, we have more than i think 50,000 people rekkewrne— more than i think 50,000 people rekkewrna we— more than i think 50,000 people following us on— more than i think 50,000 people following us on network. we have wre— following us on network. we have rare. rnaeren— following us on network. we have mps, mayors, local— following us on network. we have mps, mayors, local initiatives ana— mps, mayors, local initiatives and associations— mps, mayors, local initiatives and associations ,_ mps, mayors, local initiatives and associations , which gives us and associations, which gives us new— and associations, which gives us rnerr ewnnen— and associations, which gives us rnerr ewnnen re— and associations, which gives us rnerr ewnnerr re .— and associations, which gives us their support to . but most of their support to. but most of we— their support to. but most of rne ewnnerr— their support to. but most of the support comes from the local guys— the support comes from the local guys .— the support comes from the local guys . you— the support comes from the local ane . new knew.— the support comes from the local guys , you know, because the guys, you know, because the cakwan— guys, you know, because the cakwan re— guys, you know, because the calvary is always— guys, you know, because the calvary is always in the centre of calvary is always in the centre er rne— calvary is always in the centre of the village. _ calvary is always in the centre of the village. so _ calvary is always in the centre of the village. so so, um, so we— of the village. so so, um, so rne reeak— of the village. so so, um, so rne reear ane— of the village. so so, um, so the local guys who come and help us restore their— the local guys who come and help us restore their crosses, their were— us restore their crosses, their were .— us restore their crosses, their were . rnerr— us restore their crosses, their wells , their chapels, they do wells, their chapels, they do rnar— wells, their chapels, they do rnar ner— wells, their chapels, they do that not really— wells, their chapels, they do that not really because they renewe— that not really because they newewe kn— that not really because they believe in something, but neeawee— believe in something, but because those— believe in something, but because those elements are part of because those elements are part er rne— because those elements are part er rne rnerr— because those elements are part of the their identity . it's of the their identity. it's amazing. — of the their identity. it's amazing. and- of the their identity. it's amazing. and you're doing this fren— amazing. and you're doing this rren a— amazing. and you're doing this from a grassroots— amazing. and you're doing this from a grassroots perspective , from a grassroots perspective, nar— from a grassroots perspective, ear nar— from a grassroots perspective, bar bar erase— from a grassroots perspective, but but grass is— from a grassroots perspective, but but grass is official.

rranee— but but grass is official. rranee re— but but grass is official. france is officially- but but grass is official. france is officially a- but but grass is official. france is officially a secular country. is it mostly christians that are supporting your project or are you finding support amongst atheists and those of other faiths to . well as i was other faiths to. well as i was as i as i was saying, most of the people who comes apart from the people who comes apart from the organisation organisational team, have a direct link with the cross and they don't really care themselves if they believe in something or not. most of them are indifferent- in something or not. most of them are indifferent to- .. g most of them are indifferent to any form or them are indifferent to any form er ann— them are indifferent to any form er arn kine— them are indifferent to any form er arn krna er— them are indifferent to any form or any kind of religion , you or any kind of religion, you knew.— or any kind of religion, you knew. rnen— or any kind of religion, you know, they just,— or any kind of religion, you know, they just, they are just nere— know, they just, they are just here because _ know, they just, they are just here because of— know, they just, they are just here because of the cross which is here because of the cross which n in— here because of the cross which n in we— here because of the cross which is in the centre— here because of the cross which is in the centre of— here because of the cross which is in the centre of their wrkraee. — is in the centre of their village. but— is in the centre of their village. but we also have a lot of village. but we also have a lot er cnnerran— village. but we also have a lot of christian and— village. but we also have a lot of christian and catholic people .iwer— of christian and catholic people riust wke— of christian and catholic people .iaer wke r— of christian and catholic people .iwer rrke r an— of christian and catholic people , just like i am sorry, coming to , just like i am sorry, coming re ew— , just like i am sorry, coming to our construction works and rnen— to our construction works and rnen eerne— to our construction works and they come because of their faith in they come because of their faith rn jesus— they come because of their faith in jesus christ.— they come because of their faith in jesus christ. um,— they come because of their faith in jesus christ. um, but, but newewer— in jesus christ. um, but, but however , we don't receive any however, we don't receive any ewnnerr— however, we don't receive any ewnnerr rren — however, we don't receive any support from other religion , you support from other religion, you knew— support from other religion, you knew .— support from other religion, you knew . nar— support from other religion, you know , but what— support from other religion, you know , but what stuns me stands know, but what stuns me stands me even— know, but what stuns me stands ne ewen rrne— know, but what stuns me stands me every time is— know, but what stuns me stands me every time is that we have neenre— me every time is that we have neenre rren — me every time is that we have people from all— me every time is that we have people from all ages coming to

our construction— people from all ages coming to our construction works , working our construction works, working reaerner— our construction works, working renerner ae— our construction works, working renerner ae rr— our construction works, working together as if they— our construction works, working together as if they were family . re— together as if they were family . re werk— together as if they were family . re werk rer— together as if they were family , to work for something which is bigger— , to work for something which is bigger rnan— , to work for something which is bigger than them.— , to work for something which is bigger than them. so we have cnnerrane— bigger than them. so we have christians, we— bigger than them. so we have christians, we have people who wne— christians, we have people who wne eerne— christians, we have people who who come from _ christians, we have people who who come from any places in any kine— who come from any places in any kind er— who come from any places in any kind er new— who come from any places in any kind of how can— who come from any places in any kind of how can i— who come from any places in any kind of how can i say any kind of kind of how can i say any kind or .— kind of how can i say any kind er . ann— kind of how can i say any kind er . wan,— kind of how can i say any kind of, um, well, this— kind of how can i say any kind of, um, well, this is a problem wrrn— of, um, well, this is a problem wrrn mn— of, um, well, this is a problem wrrn rnn wrrn— of, um, well, this is a problem with my with my— of, um, well, this is a problem with my with my french. this is ranraerre— with my with my french. this is ranraerre .— with my with my french. this is fantastic . but— with my with my french. this is fantastic . but actually the fantastic. but actually the neenke— fantastic. but actually the neenre wne— fantastic. but actually the people who comes here in our eenerraerren— people who comes here in our construction works come because rnen— construction works come because rnen — construction works come because rnen reekrna— construction works come because they are looking for— construction works come because they are looking for real. i rnrnk— they are looking for real. i rnrnk .— they are looking for real. i rnrnk . nea— they are looking for real. i think , you know, real stuff , think, you know, real stuff, carrying— think, you know, real stuff, earnrna neawn— think, you know, real stuff, carrying heavy stones and in the pouring— carrying heavy stones and in the pouring rain— carrying heavy stones and in the pouring ana— carrying heavy stones and in the pouring rain and everything . pouring rain and everything. they— pouring rain and everything. rnen are— pouring rain and everything. they are looking for roots and rnen— they are looking for roots and rnen wanr— they are looking for roots and rnen wanr ana— they are looking for roots and they want and they are willing to they want and they are willing re give— they want and they are willing to give themselves for something or to give themselves for something er eenenen— to give themselves for something or somebody which— to give themselves for something or somebody which is higher than rnen — or somebody which is higher than rnen . — or somebody which is higher than them . absolutely.— or somebody which is higher than them . absolutely. love- or somebody which is higher than them . ' .rilyr l l them. absolutely. love it. it's fantastic. please keep it up and let us know however we can support you. thank you very much. alexander now very much. alexander now i'm very quickly duellists nigel,

quickly to my duellists nigel, are local people local projects restoring heritage of the restoring the heritage of the history , whether history of france, whether they're christian or not? fantastic, it? yeah, is fantastic, isn't it? yeah, it is ranraerre.— fantastic, isn't it? yeah, it is fantastic. and _ fantastic, isn't it? yeah, it is fantastic. and so— fantastic, isn't it? yeah, it is fantastic. and so they- t l .7’ yeah, it is fantastic. and so they should. i mean , france is— fantastic. and so they should. i mean , france is secular mean, france is a secular eewnrn— mean, france is a secular eewnrn rangen- mean, france is a secular country largely because of the rrenen— country largely because of the french revolution . i think that french revolution. i think that the french revolution. i think that rne nar— french revolution. i think that the but still,— french revolution. i think that the but still, there's an awful lot the but still, there's an awful ker er— the but still, there's an awful lot of practising— the but still, there's an awful lot of practising christians in were.— lot of practising christians in rnere. rne— lot of practising christians in there. the churches are not full of there. the churches are not full er rnar— there. the churches are not full er rnar ae— there. the churches are not full of that as whenever i've been rnre— of that as whenever i've been rnre ene— of that as whenever i've been rnre ee— of that as whenever i've been into one over there. so yeah, aneekwren. — into one over there. so yeah, absolutely. i'm— into one over there. so yeah, absolutely. i'm right behind nin— absolutely. i'm right behind nrnleweeerna— absolutely. i'm right behind him. guessing in him. i'm guessing you're in ewnnerr— him. i'm guessing you're in ewnnerrlrnre. - him. i'm guessing you're in support this. mgr support of this. my heart. i rewa— support of this. my heart. i rewe r— support of this. my heart. i love i love what they're doing. one of the most moving things that i've seen last that i've seen in the last couple when notre—dame couple of years when notre—dame was you saw all of was burning and you saw all of these catholics on their knees praying the rosary and singing a marian hymn and watching their cathedral burn , it just showed cathedral burn, it just showed how deeply rooted french history and culture is within catholicism . and and culture is within catholicism .and i and culture is within catholicism . and i think this is catholicism. and i think this is really important. i mean, i don't have very much fondness for francis secularism. and i was a fan of edmund burke. i don't have very much fondness for the french revolution ehhen for the french revolution either. think that this is either. so i think that this is really important. think it's

really important. i think it's beautiful. i love to any beautiful. i love to see any country its heritage beautiful. i love to see any co thisi its heritage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. its heritage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. i its heritage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. i think; heritage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. i think thatitage beautiful. i love to see any co this way. i think that what in this way. i think that what they're doing is magnificent. but of course, now it's the anniversary horrible anniversary of the horrible burning dame, burning down of notre dame, isn't it? and i think it just gees— isn't it? and i think it just aeee re— isn't it? and i think it just aeee re-rr— isn't it? and i think it just goes to _it doesn't. isn't it? and i think it just- goes to-it doesn't matter goes to show it doesn't matter wnar— goes to show it doesn't matter what government— goes to show it doesn't matter what government say is about eeewkanernn— what government say is about secularising this— what government say is about secularising this country, you anner— cannot erase the christian nenraee. — cannot erase the christianj heritage. _see. heritage. it's great to see. wear.— heritage. it's great to see. wear-ne— heritage. it's great to see. next, be asking whether next, we'll be asking whether the next, we'll be asking whether rne-neeae— next, we'll be asking whether the-needs more- the church needs more evangelicals.- the church needs more evangelicals. away. evangelicals. so don't go away. be evangelicals. so don't go away. ee-naek— evangelicals. so don't go away. ee-naek .—

welcome back to the common sense erweaae— welcome back to the common sense erweaae wrrn— welcome back to the common sense crusade with me,— welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the— welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend carwn— crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson.— crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson. the church of rnerana— calvin robinson. the church of rnnrana re— calvin robinson. the church of england is moving with the times . nar— england is moving with the times . ear ner— england is moving with the times , but not everyone— england is moving with the times , but not everyone is on board wrrn— , but not everyone is on board wrrn rr— , but not everyone is on board wrrn rr .— , but not everyone is on board wrrn r. n— , but not everyone is on board with it . in february, synod with it. in february, synod aeeraea— with it. in february, synod aeeraea re— with it. in february, synod decided to allow the blessing of neneeekwak— decided to allow the blessing of homosexual couples and hinted rnar— homosexual couples and hinted rnar rr— homosexual couples and hinted rnar r wu— homosexual couples and hinted that it will lift— homosexual couples and hinted that it will lift the ban on aerrwen— that it will lift the ban on

actively homosexual clergy. conservative _ actively homosexual clergy. conservative evangelicals are warning.— conservative evangelicals are warning, though, that if they go aneaa— warning, though, that if they go aneaa wrrn— warning, though, that if they go ahead with this,— warning, though, that if they go ahead with this, they will ereare— ahead with this, they will ereare a— ahead with this, they will create a real— ahead with this, they will create a real division . so is it create a real division. so is it we— create a real division. so is it rne ena— create a real division. so is it rne ene er— create a real division. so is it the end of evangelicalism or rees— the end of evangelicalism or aeee rne— the end of evangelicalism or does the church _ the end of evangelicalism or does the church of england need er— does the church of england need more of them?— does the church of england need more of them? to— does the church of england need more of them? to discuss this, in — more of them? to discuss this, in ternea— more of them? to discuss this, r-n joined kn— more of them? to discuss this, i'm joined by father daniel rrenen— i'm joined by father daniel french, anglican priest in french, an anglican priest in sakeenne.— french, an anglican priest in salcombe. daniel, french, an anglican priest in salcombe. daniel , thank salcombe. father daniel, thank you salcombe. father daniel, thank new-renne— salcombe. father daniel, thank new-ternrnn we— salcombe. father daniel, thank you joining us today. i know you forjoining us today. i know were— you forjoining us today. i know wee ner— you forjoining us today. i know wen-re ner an— you forjoining us today. i know you're not an evangelical weareekr. — you're not an evangelical yourself. you're and i would say wear— yourself. you're and i would say your anglo—catholic believe, your anglo—catholic, i believe, nar— your anglo—catholic, i believe, ear-renne— your anglo—catholic, i believe,i but-former-catholic, but your former roman catholic, arenr—nare- but your former roman catholic, aren-r—nwre highl aren't you? so you're quite high up aren't you? so you're quite high are—nar— aren't you? so you're quite highi wn—nwr-nreekarn up the candle, but you proclaim rnar— up the candle, but you proclaim rnarineea— up the candle, but you proclaim that-need more— up the candle, but you proclaim that need more evangelicalism that we need more evangelicalism . kneerwren— that we need more evangelicalism . kneerwren — that we need more evangelicalism . absolutely calvin— that we need more evangelicalism . absolutely .. . absolutely calvin just some of the himars statistics in this are worth thinking about. you know, as the church of england has had incredible decline in the last ten years, we've had a 36% fall. the evangelicals have actually bucked the trend. you know, in 2011, in 2020, 8% of churches were evangelical in their ethos. and that's gone up

to 32. so i think, you know , to 32. so i think, you know, there's something there for to us look into and to celebrate. there's been so much discussion onune there's been so much discussion online recently on the basis of a spectator article by theo hobbs , who has said that we hobbs, who has said that we don't need the evangelicals anymore. and i feel quite annoyed by that because you know, although it's not my own tribe, i would consider the majority of my anglican clergy friends , as are evangelical. friends, as are evangelical. they're from a, you know, a lively , faithful constituency lively, faithful constituency that have much to teach us. and have done. so, you know, for many, many, many, many centuries. can we truly imagine in our denomination without this vital constituency ? see, you vital constituency? see, you know, a third of the denomination not being part of our our national mission ? some our our national mission? some would argue quite often-

, , rir7 some would argue quite often the most arennerre— would argue quite often the most nrennerre rnrra— would argue quite often the most prophetic third to— would argue quite often the most prophetic third to i'm also not an evangelical— prophetic third to i'm also not an evangelical .— prophetic third to i'm also not an evangelical. i'm also an anglo—catholic._ an evangelical. i'm also an anglo—catholic. however i think rnee— anglo—catholic. however i think rnee neewe-e— anglo—catholic. however i think theo hobbs's article in the sneerarer— theo hobbs's article in the spectator was— theo hobbs's article in the spectator was was awful because he spectator was was awful because ne eeerne— spectator was was awful because ne re — spectator was was awful because he seems to conflate anglo—catholicism with liberalism _ anglo—catholicism with liberalism and actually most anglo—catholics_ liberalism and actually most anglo—catholics i know want errrrne— anglo—catholics i know want errrrnn wanr— anglo—catholics i know want sitting right next to me would weara— sitting right next to me would wewka ne— sitting right next to me would would be more— sitting right next to me would would be more conservative than near— would be more conservative than neer er— would be more conservative than neer er wear— would be more conservative than most of your liberals. so i'm ner— most of your liberals. so i'm ner awre— most of your liberals. so i'm not quite sure— most of your liberals. so i'm not quite sure where he's nerrrna— not quite sure where he's aerrrnn rnre— not quite sure where he's getting this conflation from erner— getting this conflation from erner rnan — getting this conflation from other than painting idea other than painting the idea rnar—rnar-e- that everyone that's conservative in the church is an ewanaekreaw—rei evangelical, which of course is ner— evangelical, which of course is ner rne— evangelical, which of course is ner rne-rne— evangelical, which of course is not the _the divide - evangelical, which of course is not the the divide in the not the case. the divide in the enaren— not the case. the divide in the church - between - church isn't between evangelicals . it's evangelicals and anglicans. it's nerween— between liberals and conservatives am right? conservatives. am i right? kneekwren— conservatives. am i right? kneerwren — conservatives. am i right? absolutely i— conservatives. am i right? absolutely .. �*" absolutely i mean, if you want to see what the future looks like, go to the american scene . like, go to the american scene. the episcopal church, which i think in many ways has done what he has suggesting and waved goodbye , bye to evangelic ulez goodbye, bye to evangelic ulez has had even more dramatic decline . in between 2011 and decline. in between 2011 and 2020. there's been a 40% decline

in attendance from 1.2 million to 1.15 million in what was in america. one of the major denominations . as you know, it's denominations. as you know, it's in danger of becoming a sect, whereas the anglican church in nonh whereas the anglican church in north america , which has broken north america, which has broken away from tech , is now in, you away from tech, is now in, you know, is growing and growing and is a common actually is a very interesting partnership between anglo—catholics and evangelicals . they are now one of the fastest growing denominations in the united states . you know, and the united states. you know, and i think that's that's maybe where we should be looking at. and saying, why is it that that that these branches of anglicanism are succeeding just as they're succeeding in the global south and, you know, in in the 90 seconds and i think particularly in the first part of the decade of this

millennium, you know, there was particular partnership in the diocese of london as well, was there not, between the evangelicals and anglo—catholic parishes working together and creating all sorts of plants. in fact , during creating all sorts of plants. in fact, during that time , i think fact, during that time, i think it was very much the inception of richard chartres. there was a 71% increase piece in anglican attendance, whereas us down the river in southwark, 10% decrease decline in the same period. you know, this is where we should be looking at partnering up with small orthodox parts of the anglican spectrum and working , anglican spectrum and working, you know, courageously in, in what it is, you know, an ever deeper culture war. this is not a time for us to be silent. i think what evangelicals and i've noficed think what evangelicals and i've noticed this from again my friends in this constituency do

so well is they they answer that question that we so often dare not is why turn up on a sunday day? and they say that we should turn up. you know they the way that they do it is by telling us that they do it is by telling us that our eternal destiny depends on it. absolutely. it's a good aweerren— on it. absolutely. it's a good aweerren we— . absolutely. it's a good question we should always be asking— question we should always be asking ewen— question we should always be asking every week . but i wanted asking every week. but i wanted to asking every week. but i wanted re ewe— asking every week. but i wanted re give wea— asking every week. but i wanted re give new rne— asking every week. but i wanted to give you the opportunity to raw— to give you the opportunity to rakk aneur— to give you the opportunity to talk about that— to give you the opportunity to talk about that because i saw wear— talk about that because i saw wear r— talk about that because i saw wear r aw— talk about that because i saw wewr r wear— talk about that because i saw your i saw your tweet, father wanker.— your i saw your tweet, father wanker. kna— your i saw your tweet, father wanker. ana r— your i saw your tweet, father daniel. and i think you're aneekwren— daniel. and i think you're absolutely right. the spectator arrreke—nar- absolutely right. the spectator article _ but you'vej article was rubbish, but you've put article was rubbish, but you've nnr—nerer- article was rubbish, but you'vei put—better case. put forward a much better case. so put forward a much better case. se-wew— put forward a much better case. se-wew-naen- so thank you very much, father wanker— so thank you very much, father daniel-anglican- daniel french, anglican priest in daniel french, anglican priest rn weenie.— daniel french, anglican priest in salcombe. i— daniel french, anglican priest in salcombe. i want to bring my neewer— in salcombe. i want to bring my duellist into— in salcombe. i want to bring my duellist into this— in salcombe. i want to bring my duellist into this because emma, were—wanr- duellist into this because emma, we-re—nnnr. rel we're father daniel is right, is eawrna— we're father daniel is right, is sawing-sneake— we're father daniel is right, is saying-should be- we're father daniel is right, is saying should be more saying we should be more ewaenee— saying we should be more evidence _and. saying we should be more evidence _and ii saying we should be more- evidence _and i know evidence informed. and i know wee— evidence informed. and i know wew-we kern— evidence informed. and i know you've both read— evidence informed. and i know you've both read the article, nar— you've both read the article, ear—anewri you've both read the article,- nwr—anewr we but theo hobbs talks about we sneake— but theo hobbs talks about we sneaker-nere— but theo hobbs talks about we should more pragmatic and should be more pragmatic and rake— should be more pragmatic and take-liberal- take on board liberal theology. but take on board liberal theology. ear aerwarkw— take on board liberal theology. but actually that's not nrannaten- but actually that's not- pragmatism,-liberal pragmatism, because liberal rneereew— pragmatism, because liberal theology killing theology is what's killing the enaren.— theology is what's killing the enaren—gene- theology is what's killing the church._going toi church. and he i'm going to were— church. and he i'm going to were-nere— church. and he i'm going to quote-here, he- church. and he i'm going to quote here, he says quote him here, he says evangelical— quote him here, he says evangelical-is. quote him here, he says evangelical is too evangelical energy is too countercultural . surely the countercultural. surely the enaren— countercultural. surely the - church _countercultural church should be countercultural . kna— church should be countercultural . ana r— church should be countercultural . ana r rnrnk— church should be countercultural . and i think that— church should be countercultural . and i think that his- church should be countercultural . and i think that his article was cringing. and for me, it

seemed like, as you were describing this lumping seemed like, as you were deof ibing this lumping seemed like, as you were deof anglo—catholics lumping seemed like, as you were de of anglo—catholics withring in of anglo—catholics with liberals, it just seemed to really misunderstand the situation . and i was sort of situation. and i was sort of reading it a bit confused, really. and i think that father french is right . really. and i think that father french is right. i think that if you follow if you know, unless unless the leadership of the church of england was the christian faith in this country to die in a ditch, they need to look at what is where the fire is burning, where where anglicanism is, is being successful. that is in the global south and it is in those parts of the church that are more conservative because that seriousness appeals to young people in a way that the more airy fairy , unserious, fluffy airy fairy, unserious, fluffy christianity doesn't. nigel, i want to ask you— christianity doesn't. nigel, i want to ask you about- ewr : . nigel, i want to ask you about the idea of colonialism— want to ask you about the idea of colonialism within the church . wnen— of colonialism within the church . wnen we— of colonialism within the church . wnen we see— of colonialism within the church . when we see the— of colonialism within the church . when we see the western church arenrrne— . when we see the western church arenrrnn rneee— . when we see the western church adopting these liberal values, wnen— adopting these liberal values, wnen rr— adopting these liberal values, when it comes— adopting these liberal values, when it comes to— adopting these liberal values, when it comes to things like same sex marriage and trans ana— same sex marriage and trans issues and proclaiming the issues and proclaiming to the rear— issues and proclaiming to the rear-enaren— issues and proclaiming to the rest church, particularly rest of the church, particularly the rest of the church, particularly rne-sewrn— rest of the church, particularly the - south, that - rest of the church, particularly the south, that you the global south, that you guys nner— the global south, that you guys nner arse— the global south, that you guys must also-your— the global south, that you guys must also your orthodoxy must also lose your orthodoxy ana— must also lose your orthodoxy wewe-— must also lose your orthodoxy and our more progressive and follow our more progressive waw— and follow our more progressive wawlrnar—

and follow our more progressive wawlrnar-a— and follow our more progressive wawlrnar-a new— and follow our more progressive way. that a new form of way. is that not a new form of colonialism?— way. is that not a new form of colonialism? iwell,- way. is that not a new form of colonialism? �*fw�*rixl " l colonialism? well, i mean, it's why the anglican communion is so fragmented. because because that is on the problem with the is going on the problem with the church is that it's still all marches 30 years behind the society it is meant to serve. so on the basic question of do we want more evangelicals not if they're going to make this worse. so if they're going to try and block things like blessings for gay couples that that seems to me a bad, bad move forward , or rather, it will be forward, or rather, it will be a move backward. i love the services that they're all very lively and vibrant, but on sexuality, i think they have a real problem. we're going back to the same rules that we had with the anglo catholics over women priests and women bishops. we lost that one. but let's hope we wen-r— we lost that one. but let's hope we aen-r rene— we lost that one. but let's hope we don't lose this— we lost that one. but let's hope we don't lose this one.- �*vw�*ri; but let's hope we don't lose this one. thank you— we don't lose this one. thank wew re— we don't lose this one. thank wew re rne— we don't lose this one. thank you to the evangelicals for eranarna— you to the evangelicals for standing firm _ you to the evangelicals for standing firm in faith and standing firm in the faith and rnank— standing firm in the faith and rnank-werk— standing firm in the faith and thank _well for- standing firm in the faith and thank well for your thank you as well for your messages. and— thank you as well for your messages. and thank you for my nnkwanr— messages. and thank you for my brilliant dualists_ messages. and thank you for my brilliant dualists this week. rnna— brilliant dualists this week. emma-nigel- brilliant dualists this week. - emma - nigel nelson. emma webb and nigel nelson. we nene—nern— emma webb and nigel nelson. we nene—nern again- emma webb and nigel nelson. we hope both again soon. hope to see you both again soon. wen-r— hope to see you both again soon. wen-r-rn— hope to see you both again soon. wen-r-rn rne— hope to see you both again soon. don't-in the final- hope to see you both again soon. don't in the final part of don't miss. in the final part of

my common sense— don't miss. in the final part of my common sense crusade this week.— my common sense crusade this week-rnere— my common sense crusade this week-rnere a- my common sense crusade this week. there a shortage of week. why is there a shortage of reaeneree— week. why is there a shortage of teachers? and _ week. why is there a shortage of teachers? and impact is teachers? and what impact is war— teachers? and what impact is that-education?- teachers? and what impact is that education? see that having on education? see you— that having on education? see new enerrn— that having on education? see new enerrn en— that having on education? see you shortly on mark dolan renrenr— you shortly on mark dolan renrnnr . — you shortly on mark dolan renrnnr . rn— you shortly on mark dolan tonight. in my- you shortly on mark dolan tonight. " irg you shortly on mark dolan tonight . i“ g i“ you shortly on mark dolan- tonight. in my big opinion, i'll be dealing with meghan markle, prince harry and the world's most famous plastic paddy. pretend irishman joe biden. my three top pundits tonight, radio and tv legend david hamilton . and tv legend david hamilton. fearless and feisty angie best, who normally gets us in trouble and that rare thing, a young person with concern lviv views. political commentator alice grant. my mark meets guest is legendary gardener and grower of big vegetables, gerald stratford . you should see his marrows plus sunday's papers hot off the press. we're live from .

nine | mine. welcome wine- iwelcome back wine— i welcome back to nine welcome back to calvin's common sense . welcome back to calvin's common sense crusade.— . welcome back to calvin's common sense crusade-week— . welcome back to calvin's common sense crusade.-week we- sense crusade. every week we peer— sense crusade. every week we near a— sense crusade. every week we near a new— sense crusade. every week we near a new en— sense crusade. every week we post a poll on twitter and get wew— post a poll on twitter and get wear rnewanre— post a poll on twitter and get your thoughts-of- post a poll on twitter and get your thoughts of the your thoughts on one of the reeke— your thoughts on one of the topics-discussed- your thoughts on one of the topics discussed in the topics we've discussed in the anew.— topics we've discussed in the show-li— topics we've discussed in the show..| asked— topics we've discussed in the show..| asked the- topics we've discussed in the show. i asked the king, show. so i asked the king, sneake— show. so i asked the king, enewka rne— show. so i asked the king, should the king introduce multi rarrn— should the king introduce multi rarrnlnre— should the king introduce multi faith-his more— should the king introduce multi faith his more modernist and faith to his more modernist and rneraerwe— faith to his more modernist and inclusive coronation service or sneake— inclusive coronation service or enewralrenarn— inclusive coronation service or shouldlremain a— inclusive coronation service or should remain a christian should it remain a christian eerweee— should it remain a christian service? the— should it remain a christian service? the results are in and eewe— service? the results are in and non. sav— service? the results are in and non. an r— service? the results are in and 90.1% say it should be a cnnerran— 90.1% say it should be a christian service while 9.9% rawew— christian service while 9.9% rawew a— christian service while 9.9% favour a multi—faith service. so ner— favour a multi—faith service. so eer iner— favour a multi—faith service. so we've got just under 10% of

wekerer— we've got just under 10% of wokeist watching, but the rest of wokeist watching, but the rest er wew— wokeist watching, but the rest er wew are— wokeist watching, but the rest er wew wen— wokeist watching, but the rest of you are very sound. so thank you— of you are very sound. so thank wew rer— of you are very sound. so thank wew rer werrnn. — of you are very sound. so thank you for voting. now let's have a reek— you for voting. now let's have a reek ar— you for voting. now let's have a reek ar wnar— you for voting. now let's have a look at what you've— you for voting. now let's have a look at what you've had to say aneur— look at what you've had to say arenr reaaw-e— look at what you've had to say about today's topics. calvin neeeaaea— about today's topics. calvin neeeagee we— about today's topics. calvin messaged us saying why can't the eewnke— messaged us saying why can't the eeanre reerer— messaged us saying why can't the eewnre reerer a— messaged us saying why can't the couple foster a child in this eeanrn— couple foster a child in this country-selfish?- couple foster a child in this country selfish? nato oil on country so selfish? nato oil on the country so selfish? nato oil on rne near.— country so selfish? nato oil on the head. calvin— country so selfish? nato oil on the head. calvin if— country so selfish? nato oil on the head. calvin if people are reenerare— the head. calvin if people are reenerare re— the head. calvin if people are desperate to-a- the head. calvin if people are desperate to a child and desperate to have a child and rnew— desperate to have a child and rnew-nawe— desperate to have a child and they have themselves, they can't have one themselves, wnar-e—erl what's wrong with fostering or arenrrene— what's wrong with fostering or adoption?.there_ what's wrong with fostering or adoption? there are many, adoption? so there are many, nanw— adoption? so there are many, nanw-rnar- adoption? so there are many,l many _that-looking adoption? so there are many,l maai-that-looking adoption? so there are many, maa loving that looking adoption? so there are many, maa loving home. looking adoption? so there are many, maa loving home. whylooking adoption? so there are many, maa loving home. why go

awen— that all religions are equal is a very dangerous— that all religions are equal is a very dangerous especially a very dangerous one, especially wnen— a very dangerous one, especially wnen wea— a very dangerous one, especially wnen wew reek— a very dangerous one, especially when you look at— a very dangerous one, especially when you look at values of some fairne— when you look at values of some rarrne—enare- when you look at values of some faiths—share our- faiths that do not share our waweek— faiths that do not share our values i brits. _ faiths that do not share our values-brits. it's- values as brits. it's a eeneernrna- values as brits. it's a concerning prospect. now for a eannaren— concerning prospect. now for a eannaren-re- concerning prospect. now for a new campaign to resurrect new campaign hopes to resurrect a—rer— new campaign hopes to resurrect a—rer eeneer- a gap in vacancies for school reaenere— a gap in vacancies for school reaenere ana— a gap in vacancies for school teachers and religious education reaenere.— teachers and religious education teachers, especially according to - recruitment _ teachers, especially according to recruitment and to the recruitment and ennrewnenr- to the recruitment and employment confederation. there to the recruitment and em|nownent confederation. there to the recruitment and em|now morezonfederation. there to the recruitment and em|now more thanieration. there to the recruitment and em|now more than 1000)n. there to the recruitment and em|now more than 1000 fewerzre are now more than 1000 fewer reaenere— are now more than 1000 fewer teachers than— are now more than 1000 fewer teachers than there were ten weare— teachers than there were ten weare age.— teachers than there were ten weare ane- rr— teachers than there were ten years ago. it may also not surprise— years ago. it may also not surprise wew— years ago. it may also not surprise you, therefore, that wnrwererrw— surprise you, therefore, that university applications to study to university applications to study re neeerne— university applications to study re neeerne a— university applications to study to become a teacher have dropped by a_ to become a teacher have dropped kn a wire.— to become a teacher have dropped kn a rnrre. wnw— to become a teacher have dropped kn a rnrre. wnw ae— to become a teacher have dropped by a third. why do we think this is? by a third. why do we think this re re— by a third. why do we think this rer ee neenre— by a third. why do we think this is? do people not— by a third. why do we think this is? do people not see religious eewearren— is? do people not see religious eewearren ae— is? do people not see religious education as an— is? do people not see religious education as an important, rnreerar— education as an important, integral subject— education as an important, integral subject to a well reanaea— integral subject to a well. rounded-anymore integral subject to a well- rounded-anymore ? well, rounded education anymore? well, ternrne— rounded education anymore? well, joining-now— rounded education anymore? well, joining-now re— rounded education anymore? well, joining-now in ear— rounded education anymore? well, joining now is our teacher , joining us now is our teacher, bern.— joining us now is our teacher, nan-nan,— joining us now is our teacher, beth.-beth, thank- joining us now is our teacher, beth. beth, thank you for beth. right. beth, thank you for joining— beth. right. beth, thank you for joining — beth. right. beth, thank you for joining us. what's— beth. right. beth, thank you for joining us. what's your take on wine— joining us. what's your take on rnree-ae— joining us. what's your take on rnree-ae wew— joining us. what's your take on this?-do you think- joining us. what's your take on this? do you think is no this? why do you think is no kenaer— this? why do you think is no longer considered important longer considered an important earn-eew— longer considered an important ewnieere — longer considered an important ewnieere wn— longer considered an important subject? hi, calvin.- longer considered an important subject? hi, calvin. i- longer considered an important subject? i“ subject? hi, calvin. i think there are many elements to this to this issue. i'm going to start, first of all, with quite a practical one in that when you train to become a teacher, you can apply for a bursary for and kind of geography, chemistry , kind of geography, chemistry, um, you know, the science , um, you know, the science, there's maths, you get between

kind of 20 and 30 grand. so it's a lot of money, but it enables those teachers to go and train in those subjects and therefore there are not a shortage of those teachers in religious studies. when i trained, they offered four grand, which for a yearis offered four grand, which for a year is not going to cut it in terms of living on that went up to nine grand. but for the last two years that's been that's been £0. and so if you're wanting to become a religious studies teacher, there's a kind of a government loan you can apply for, but not one that will see you through that year. so first off, really practical. absolutely no. bursary that's funding that. i think second of all, related studies within the majority of secondary schools , majority of secondary schools, schools are seen as this kind of undervalued mickey mouse unrigorous subject act that their pupils therefore don't want to do. and key stage three and a lot of schools don't set up those pupils to inaya joy and

thrive at gcse in religious studies and then go on to a—level and therefore they're not being fed through to those university places . and then university places. and then i think this is all ultimately underpinned by as you kind of alluded to, this wider cultural shift in society where fewer people are religious, fewer people are religious, fewer people are religious, fewer people are valuing religion every . i'm with you, every every. i'm with you, every single society that's ever existed has this foundation of religion . and so to not kind of religion. and so to not kind of provide a rich cultural capital for pupils at schools at that level of course they're not going to go on and study it if it's not taken seriously. i mean , it's wider than just the subject of arias and it is about cultural capital. you're right. it is cultural capital. you're right. r n aneur— cultural capital. you're right. it is about having— rtxxx. triir you're right. it is about having christian waweek— it is about having christian waweek kn— it is about having christian values in our— it is about having christian values in our schools. it used to values in our schools. it used re-ae— values in our schools. it used re-ae rnar- values in our schools. it used to-case that the- values in our schools. it used to case that the lord's to be the case that the lord's rrawer— to be the case that the lord's erner-earr— to be the case that the lord's prayer- said .the- to be the case that the lord's prayer said the start of prayer was said at the start of ewen— prayer was said at the start of ewen aeeennn— prayer was said at the start of every assembly and that there a nwnn— every assembly and that there a nwnn kn— every assembly and that there was a hymn in every school is war— was a hymn in every school is rnar erm— was a hymn in every school is that still-case? - was a hymn in every school is that still case? \rrir that still the case? no, absolutely— that still the case? no, absolutely not. know the absolutely not. i know the majority schools, the majority of schools, the

majority of schools, the majority i that majority of friends i have that are other schools are teachers and other schools in of cases, i'd in the majority of cases, i'd say that actually kind of religion seen to this thing religion is seen to this thing to be a voided and thing to kind of not study, not embrace . and of not study, not embrace. and certainly there's been a huge shift away from the cultural elements of christianity in our society . teachers are scared of society. teachers are scared of it. teachers don't want to face it. teachers don't want to face it. and then, of course , that's it. and then, of course, that's going to feed into the psyche of pupils when they're when it's not kind of presented to them in a in an academically rigorous way. they're going to not want to study it. so what can we do about this? you know, i used to be about this? you know, i used to re a— about this? you know, i used to re a reaener— about this? you know, i used to be a teacher myself— about this? you know, i used to be a teacher myself .- about this? you know, i used to be a teacher myself . i- 37 you know, i used to be a teacher myself . i used to be a teacher myself. i used to reaen— be a teacher myself. i used to teach computer— be a teacher myself. i used to teach computer science, and we did teach computer science, and we are sene— teach computer science, and we are big— teach computer science, and we did some big advertisement eannarnne— did some big advertisement campaigns—into. campaigns saying get into reaming.— teaching. and my face was used on teaching. and my face was used en-ana— teaching. and my face was used en-ana-r-n- teaching. and my face was used en-ana-r-n neri on billboards and stuff. i'm not ewelwerkea.— on billboards and stuff. i'm not surelworked, but— on billboards and stuff. i'm not sure worked, but we tried. sure it worked, but we tried. wnar— sure it worked, but we tried. wnar-we— sure it worked, but we tried. wnar-we-ner- sure it worked, but we tried.. what-we-get people sure it worked, but we tried.- what-we-get people to what can we do to get people to neeene— what can we do to get people to neeerne rac— what can we do to get people to become rac teachers? beth well, i'm become rac teachers? beth well, in ewe— become rac teachers? beth well, in wew— become rac teachers? beth well, i'm sure your face— become rac teachers? beth well, i'm sure your face on billboards did i'm sure your face on billboards are nawe— i'm sure your face on billboards are nawe an— i'm sure your face on billboards are nawe an-r- i'm sure your face on billboards did have an-i think,l did have an impact. i think, rrrer— did have an impact. i think, rrrer er— did have an impact. i think, rrrer er-wea— did have an impact. i think, first of you know, i don't first of all, you know, i don't want throwing money at the problems, going problems, never going to solve anything . but think having anything. but i think having a strong for religious strong bursary for religious studies certainly going

studies is certainly going to put people's is put people's hopes up. i, for example, studied as an english teacher in order to the bursary and in order to get the bursary and in my intention was to then go on and become a religious studies teacher. i know someone who is going study , is going to going to study, is going to train in computer science in order to become a religious studies teacher, because they can't just study to become a religious studies teacher directly . i then think that it directly. i then think that it needs to become a more academically rigorous subject. it needs to be something that's in line and equal with history, with geography. so many schools have religious studies. maybe once every two weeks. and if you're just just seeing a teacher just learning that content once every two weeks, then you know you're not going to have the kind of impact that you want. so i think putting it kind of higher on the timetable religious studies is about teaching the best that's been thought and and i think thought and said. and i think that often it's also dumbed that very often it's also dumbed down. it's seen as it's kind of given to pupils in a way that

teachers think they're going to understand. actually, pupils want to challenged, pupils want to be challenged, pupils want to be challenged, pupils want be pushed. and when that want to be pushed. and when that doesn't don't doesn't happen, they don't thrive in a classroom and therefore they're not going to want it on further. want to take it on further. yeah, said beth. that yeah, well said beth. that was rewr— yeah, well said beth. that was rem-wanr— yeah, well said beth. that was kwr-nanr kn- rmt at beth, right in litchfield._ rmt at beth, right in litchfield. thank for litchfield. thank you for joining— litchfield. thank you for joining we— litchfield. thank you for joining us today. i'm with you enren.— joining us today. i'm with you enrrrekw. rr— joining us today. i'm with you entirely. it seems— joining us today. i'm with you entirely. it seems to the entirely. it seems to me the newernnenr— entirely. it seems to me the government is— entirely. it seems to me the government is putting rac relationships— government is putting rac relationships education relationships and sex education anewe—re- relationships and sex education anewe—re bel above rac, which seems to be earning— above rac, which seems to be eaaernnlker— above rac, which seems to be eawernnlker er— above rac, which seems to be causing lot of societal issues causing a lot of societal issues ana— causing a lot of societal issues aner-we— causing a lot of societal issues aner-we re— causing a lot of societal issues and-us to where- causing a lot of societal issues and us to where are and lead us to where we are rean— and lead us to where we are reaaw.-eaen— and lead us to where we are today.-each week- and lead us to where we are today. each week on the today. now, each week on the aw,— today. now, each week on the anew-re — today. now, each week on the anew-re ena- today. now, each week on the show,-to end with- today. now, each week on the show, to end with our show, we like to end with our ekeernn— show, we like to end with our ereernn nrawer— show, we like to end with our closing prayer and the collect for closing prayer and the collect rer—aner- for the first sunday after raeren— for the first sunday after. easter, _ father, easter, our almighty father, who has easter, our almighty father, who nae—enn— easter, our almighty father, who nae—enn en- easter, our almighty father, who nae—enn re- easter, our almighty father, who has—only son to diei has given thine only son to die for has given thine only son to die rer ew— has given thine only son to die rer erne— has given thine only son to die for our sins and— has given thine only son to die for our sins and to— has given thine only son to die for our sins and to rise again for our sins and to rise again for-justification,- for our sins and to rise again for justification, grant us for our justification, grant us so for our justification, grant us eelnwr— for our justification, grant us eelnwr awaw— for our justification, grant us so i put away the - for our justification, grant us so put away the leaven of so to put away the leaven of make— so to put away the leaven of make ana— so to put away the leaven of malice and wickedness that we may— malice and wickedness that we naw arwawe— malice and wickedness that we may always serve— malice and wickedness that we may always serve thee in nweneee er— may always serve thee in pureness of living and truth rnrewen—er- pureness of living and truth through _of the l pureness of living and truth- through _of the same through the merits of the same thy through the merits of the same rnw-reewe— through the merits of the same thy -jesus christ,- through the merits of the same thy jesus christ, our lord. thy son, jesus christ, our lord. wnen.— thy son, jesus christ, our lord. knen. wew— thy son, jesus christ, our lord. amen. you have— thy son, jesus christ, our lord. amen. you have been watching cakwn-e— amen. you have been watching calvin's common— amen. you have been watching calvin's common sense crusade wrrn— calvin's common sense crusade wrrn nne— calvin's common sense crusade wrrn cakwn— calvin's common sense crusade with me, calvin robinson. i'm off with me, calvin robinson. i'm err re— with me, calvin robinson. i'm off to rwanda— with me, calvin robinson. i'm off to rwanda next week for ekrcow — off to rwanda next week for ekrcow rer— off to rwanda next week for gafcon for the _ off to rwanda next week for gafcon for the conference that rarner— gafcon for the conference that rarner-wae— gafcon for the conference that father was talking about father daniel was talking about earner. — father daniel was talking about earner. -ner— father daniel was talking about earlier. _not be- father daniel was talking about earlier. not be back earlier. so i will not be back nere— earlier. so i will not be back nee-wew.— earlier. so i will not be back nee-wew. ewr- earlier. so i will not be back here-you. but my- earlier. so i will not be back here you. but my wonderful

here with you. but my wonderful ekdekkk—nel sidekick, emma webb, will be renting— sidekick, emma webb, will be erennrna-ne— sidekick, emma webb, will be stepping-me to- sidekick, emma webb, will be stepping me to cover for stepping in for me to cover for me— stepping in for me to cover for me near— stepping in for me to cover for me nekr week.— stepping in for me to cover for me next week. that's saturday at 7 p-m- — me next week. that's saturday at 7 p-m- up— me next week. that's saturday at 7p-m- up near.— me next week. that's saturday at 7p-m- up nekr. er— me next week. that's saturday at 7 pm. up next, of course, is we— 7 pm. up next, of course, is rne sarwaaw— 7 p.m. up next, of course, is the saturday five— 7 pm. up next, of course, is the saturday five with the amazing — the saturday five with the amazing grimes. before amazing darren grimes. before war.— amazing darren grimes. before rnar. rnewnn— amazing darren grimes. before that, though, here is your wearner— that, though, here is your weather-have. weather forecast. have a wenaerrwk— weather forecast. have a wonderful- i'lll weather forecast. have a. wonderful-i'll see weather forecast. have a- wonderful-i'll see you wonderful week and i'll see you in wonderful week and i'll see you rn-eea— wonderful week and i'll see you rn-eea-rne— wonderful week and i'll see you in god the asphalt. in two. god bless. the asphalt. reun— in two. god bless. the asphalt. were. in— in two. god bless. the asphalt. hello, i'm craig— in two. god bless. the asphalt. hello, i'm craig snell.- in two. god bless. the asphalt. hello, i'm craig snell. here- in two. god bless. the asphalt. hello, i'm craig snell. here is your latest forecast from the met office as we go through the next many of us, next few days. for many of us, it's going to be cloudy it's going to be fairly cloudy tomorrow, but the brighter skies it's going to be fairly cloudy tonsetiw, but the brighter skies it's going to be fairly cloudy ton set to but the brighter skies it's going to be fairly cloudy ton set to return e brighter skies it's going to be fairly cloudy tonset to return astrighter skies it's going to be fairly cloudy ton set to return as wetter skies it's going to be fairly cloudy tonset to return as we go skies it's going to be fairly cloudy tonset to return as we go intoes are set to return as we go into early week. so here's the early next week. so here's the situation at the moment. we've got high pressure trying move situation at the moment. we've go acrosspressure trying move situation at the moment. we've go across the sure trying move situation at the moment. we've go across the uk, trying move situation at the moment. we've go across the uk, butng move situation at the moment. we've go across the uk, but these move situation at the moment. we've go across the uk, but these two a in across the uk, but these two weather fronts will move in across western we across many western areas as we go through next 24 hours, go through the next 24 hours, bringing spell bringing in another spell of cloud and rain. you can see it on the graphics here, already moving northern and moving into northern ireland and eventually as eventually into scotland as the evening goes on. many evening goes on. for many eastern parts, it's eastern parts, actually, it's going remain fairly dry with going to remain fairly dry with some clear skies, maybe the odd mist patch, but also mist and fog patch, but also here could just see touch here we could just see a touch of frost. but further west where we see the cloud and rain, it should be a fairly mild night. the recent so

the compared to recent so tomorrow for a lot of us it starts off fairly grey. could you see some brightness across the east? but generally a lot of cloud around some outbreaks of rain too. quite light and patchy though mainly nuisance value more than anything else. but then going the afternoon, then going into the afternoon, brighter northern brighter skies for northern ireland and scotland. this may well but well trigger a few showers, but also feeling quite warm here in the sunshine. could see highs reaching degrees. but still reaching 17 degrees. but still quite disappointing. where that cloud lingers across parts of england and wales the england and wales into the evening . a lot of the showers evening. a lot of the showers generally fading away. so as we go into the small hours of monday, actually quite a lot of the uk generally dry. some clear skies, especially across scotland across some scotland and also across some eastern parts of england, too. here again , we could just see here again, we could just see a touch frost , but where touch of frost, but where the cloud on it should be cloud hangs on it should be fairly mild for most as we start monday morning . so going into monday morning. so going into monday morning. so going into monday again , a fairly cloudy monday again, a fairly cloudy start across the west, but the clearer skies across the east will slowly spread their way a little bit further westwards as the day goes on. so some good

sunshine developing across the midlands, southern midlands, central southern england, northern scotland, and maybe northern ireland, maybe also northern ireland, too. in the sunshine, too. and in the sunshine, especially come tuesday , we especially come tuesday, we could see highs reaching 20 degrees the .