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with what is going to be a fun packed show today. we've got loads of great guests. i'm going to to greg hands, loads of great guests. i'm going to is to greg hands, loads of great guests. i'm going to is the to greg hands, loads of great guests. i'm going to is the toryto greg hands, loads of great guests. i'm going to is the tory partyg hands, loads of great guests. i'm going to is the tory party chairman , who is the tory party chairman, about the local elections. and also motorways also this smart motorways announcement, is announcement, which i think is probably little too late. probably come a little too late. but see, also going to be but let's see, also going to be discussing the nhs strikes discussing the nhs and strikes with streeting the who with wes streeting, the man who hopes health hopes to be the next health secretary and going to be secretary and we're going to be heanng secretary and we're going to be hearing sir rocco hearing from sir rocco forte, who's the rocco who's chairman of the rocco forte you'll forte group of hotels. you'll have heard of him. he was a tory donor. have heard of him. he was a tory donor . he have heard of him. he was a tory donor. he gave have heard of him. he was a tory donor . he gave the tories donor. he gave the tories £100,000 in 2019. but i think fell out of love with the party because of what happened to bofis because of what happened to boris johnson. so we'll find out from him whether he ever plans to i don't to donate again, because i don't think particularly happy think he's particularly happy about government about what the government is doing and tax doing with businesses and tax all that and more to on the all that and more to come on the show. also going show. we're also going to be having discussion the having a discussion about the coronation, as coronation, local elections, as harry and meghan . bear with harry and meghan. bear with us on that let's go through on that one. let's go through the first of the front pages. first of all, though telegraph though, sunday telegraph goes with main policy drop of with that main policy drop of the day. deadly smart motorways scrapped , which i'm sure will be scrapped, which i'm sure will be music to your ears. the sunday

times goes with breast cancer surgeon . 250 deaths under the surgeon. 250 deaths under the spotlight. they've done a special investigation on a particular surgeon surgeon in that story , not sturgeon. i've that story, not sturgeon. i've got nicola sturgeon and her campervan on the brain . clearly campervan on the brain. clearly the observer nhs crisis deepens. oh, i've got it the wrong way up there we are. this could be a result of my going to the races yesterday . although being yesterday. although being a teetotal, i can assure you i'm not hungover. the observer nhs crisis deepens as nurses plan mega strike. i'm going to be speaking to the paper reviewer about that in just a moment. sunday mirror coronation heroes . that's a story i think about the idea of the king and queen's consort trying to make the best with the mirror. having reported in the week that the coronation plans were in chaos , the sunday plans were in chaos, the sunday express royals on brink of collapse. good grief . we're collapse. good grief. we're going to be discussing that in just a moment because that's a very intriguing splash page the mail on sunday saves the grand

national, and that's about them having exposed the protests who were planning to storm the race course yesterday and then the sun on sunday. i'm a celeb horror. this is a story, i believe , about janice dickinson believe, about janice dickinson falling over. so believe, about janice dickinson falling over . so there believe, about janice dickinson falling over. so there you have it. now let me introduce my illustrious paper reviewer, former colleague at the express newspaper group, sam lister . newspaper group, sam lister. she's the daily express political editor. she's the daily express political editor . thanks for political editor. thanks for joining me this morning, sam. i know you're friend of gb news. know you're a friend of gb news. you're often doing you're often on doing the papers, delightful to papers, and it's delightful to have you here on a sunday. let's talk about this policy of talk about this policy drop of the the government now the day. it's the government now saying to saying they're going to axe these motorways. these smart motorways. what's your i'd imagine your reaction? i'd imagine express readers is like gb viewers and listeners think that smart motorways are irretrievable , stupid. yeah. i irretrievable, stupid. yeah. i mean, i think it's- irretrievable, stupid. yeah. i mean, i think it's a- 2 yeah. i mean, i think it's a victory for common-isn't- mean, i think it's a victory for common-isn't it?- mean, i think it's a victory for common isn't it? and common sense, isn't it? and i think— common sense, isn't it? and i think what— common sense, isn't it? and i think what it— common sense, isn't it? and i think what it is— common sense, isn't it? and i think what it is really is this tee— think what it is really is this has been— think what it is really is this has been governance very has been governance at its very wee-t — has been governance at its very wee-t -wee— has been governance at its very were-wee e— has been governance at its very worst.-was a policy- has been governance at its very worst. was a policy that worst. this was a policy that dreamt— worst. this was a policy that was dreamt up— worst. this was a policy that was dreamt up by a very clever peepte— was dreamt up by a very clever peepte-eeet— was dreamt up by a very clever people. great theory , people. it was great in theory, but— people. it was great in theory, but they— people. it was great in theory, but they-what- people. it was great in theory, but they what was but they ignored what was tuwetngw— but they ignored what was blindingly-to- but they ignored what was blindingly to the rest blindingly obvious to the rest of ne— blindingly obvious to the rest of the country,— blindingly obvious to the rest of the country, which was etweuew— of the country, which was obviously never of the country, which was-

obviously-never going obviously this was never going to obviously this was never going tee-wee— obviously this was never going te-wee etwewe- obviously this was never going to was always going to to work. it was always going to be extremew— to work. it was always going to be extremely dangerous. i can't teu— be extremely dangerous. i can't teu wee— be extremely dangerous. i can't tell you -camilla- be extremely dangerous. i can't tell you camilla mean, tell you queen camilla i mean, peepte—wee- people at the time were eteewtew— people at the time were absolutely this absolutely railing against this ,_govemmem- absolutely railing against this , government still , and yet the government still went— , and yet the government still went-ene— , and yet the government still went and introduced it and went ahead and introduced it and etweuew— went ahead and introduced it and etweuew ite— went ahead and introduced it and obviously it's been— went ahead and introduced it and obviously it's been in place for wet— obviously it's been in place for wet ewe— obviously it's been in place for wet e— obviously it's been in place for well over a decade— obviously it's been in place for well over a decade and there have— well over a decade and there have been— well over a decade and there have been there's— well over a decade and there have been there's different tewee— have been there's different figures-about- have been there's different figures about how many figures around about how many peepte— figures around about how many peepte tave— figures around about how many people have actually died as a reset— people have actually died as a reset et— people have actually died as a result of this— people have actually died as a result of this policy as many as 50,— result of this policy as many as 50, according— result of this policy as many as 50, according to— result of this policy as many as 50, according to telegraph . 50, according to the telegraph. i 50, according to the telegraph. . mean— 50, according to the telegraph. . ts— 50, according to the telegraph. i mean, one is too— 50, according to the telegraph. i mean, one is too many- 50, according to the telegraph. one i mean, one is too many. one could have seen this.- i mean, one is too many. one could have seen this. you- one could have seen this. you know, there-e— could have seen this. you know, there-e tee— could have seen this. you know, there's the lovely— could have seen this. you know, there's the lovely picture of the— there's the lovely picture of tee-bew— there's the lovely picture of. the - boy - killed. the young boy that was killed. veet. — the young boy that was killed. veet. peepte— the young boy that was killed. yeah. people have lost loved wee-tee- yeah. people have lost loved ones.-had that- yeah. people have lost loved ones. had that very ones. yeah, we had that very moving— ones. yeah, we had that very moving campaign where people were-coffins,- moving campaign where people were coffins, think were carrying coffins, i think through—sewed were carrying coffins, i thinki through—sewing, were carrying coffins, i think- through_saying , you through westminster saying, you knew,— through westminster saying, you know, - motorways- through westminster saying, you know, motorways kill . i know, smart motorways kill. i interviewed— know, smart motorways kill. i interviewed i'm— know, smart motorways kill. i interviewed i'm sure you have successive transport secretary thet— successive transport secretary ttet ewe,— successive transport secretary that said, yeah,— successive transport secretary that said, yeah, i— successive transport secretary that said, yeah, i don't really twe— that said, yeah, i don't really ttte them— that said, yeah, i don't really ttte ttem . — that said, yeah, i don't really like them . and— that said, yeah, i don't really like them . 't: «tile that said, yeah, i don't really like them . t: «tile e that said, yeah, i don't really like them . 't: «rifle e ce like them. and yet it was still it was still in place. and i think actually edmund king is quoted in the sunday telegraph today, president the today, president of the president pulls no president of the aa. he pulls no punches. he says this the punches. he says this is the people involved this have people involved in this have blood on their hands. he said it people involved in this have bloomotorway hands. he said it people involved in this have bloomotorway wideninga said it people involved in this have bloomotorway widening oniid it people involved in this have bloo motorway widening on thet was motorway widening on the cheap and it's a scandal. and i

think most people would agree with nobody can really with that. and nobody can really understand it's taken so understand why it's taken so long. but rishi sunak actually, to fair rishi sunak, to be fair to rishi sunak, dunng to be fair to rishi sunak, during campaign, during his leadership campaign, he this something he did say this was something he wanted now wanted to do. obviously, now we're happen finally we're seeing this happen finally . this is i mean, will it will it win him votes? i mean, it's kind it win him votes? i mean, it's ttnt et— it win him votes? i mean, it's kind of ticking— e s s , i mean, it's kind of ticking something off the-twee— kind of ticking something off the bingo because it the tory bingo card because it was something— the tory bingo card because it was something people were was something that people were tneteeetnetw— was something that people were increasingly _we'vel increasingly irate about. we've got increasingly irate about. we've get-et— increasingly irate about. we've get-et tettete— got a lot of letters to the telegraph— got a lot of letters to the telegraph about or will telegraph about it or will peepte— telegraph about it or will peepte tint— telegraph about it or will people think it's too little, tee— people think it's too little, tee tetee— people think it's too little, tee tetee .— people think it's too little, too late? i wonder? " too late? i wonder? i mean, there— too late? i wonder? i mean, there ts— too late? i wonder? i mean, there is always that danger, isn't i think isn't there? but i think actually just right actually it's just the right thing and for the thing to do. and i think for the prime minister, almost prime minister, it's almost irrelevant it's a vote irrelevant whether it's a vote winner. just the right irrelevant whether it's a vote winneto just the right irrelevant whether it's a vote winneto do.iust the right irrelevant whether it's a vote winneto do. this he right irrelevant whether it's a vote winneto do. this is right irrelevant whether it's a vote winneto do. this is dangerous thing to do. this is dangerous and people dying and it and people are dying and it needs stopped. so i've needs to be stopped. so i've already interviewed - : : so i've already interviewed greg hands teeeuee— because he came in for a pee—teeett — because he came in for a pre—record. we're to because he came in for a- pre—record. we're-to play pre—record. we're going to play the-tn— pre—record. we're going to play the-tn e— pre—record. we're going to play the-in a little- pre—record. we're going to play the-in a little later. the interview in a little later at the interview in a little later et-en— the interview in a little later et-en-etew.- the interview in a little later at-on-show. his. the interview in a little later- at-on-show. his answer at 10:00 on the show. his answer to at 10:00 on the show. his answer te-eueetten— at 10:00 on the show. his answer to-questionlwhat- at 10:00 on the show. his answer to question what happens at 10:00 on the show. his answer to the question what happens at 10:00 on the show. his answer to the smarton what happens at 10:00 on the show. his answer to the smart motorways happens at 10:00 on the show. his answer to the smart motorways thattens at 10:00 on the show. his answer to the smart motorways that are etteetw— to the smart motorways that are weedy—tite- to the smart motorways that are already—this is- already in existence. this is tnteteettne— already in existence. this is. interesting—watch. already in existence. this is- interesting_watch. so interesting and one to watch. so teet— interesting and one to watch. so teet eut— interesting and one to watch. so took out tet— interesting and one to watch. so look out for that. _ interesting and one to watch. so look out for that. do stay tuned for look out for that. do stay tuned tee ttet. — look out for that. do stay tuned tee ttet. -tewet— look out for that. do stay tuned for that. -royal-of- for that. now, royal story of the— for that. now, royal story of the weekend— for that. now, royal story of the weekend .— for that. now, royal story of the weekend . this is your the weekend. this is in your etetet— the weekend. this is in your etetet pap...— the weekend. this is in your sister paper, sunday express sister paper, the sunday express .—teetttne. - sister paper, the sunday express

._headline. this. . it's quite the headline. this royal— . it's quite the headline. this tewet te— . it's quite the headline. this tewet te en— . it's quite the headline. this royal is on brink— . it's quite the headline. this royal is on brink of collapse. why— royal is on brink of collapse. wtw same — royal is on brink of collapse. why sam? yeah,- royal is on brink of collapse. why sam? “43?" z why sam? yeah, well, quite concerning , i'm sure, for you, concerning, i'm sure, for you, camilla. obviously you're a keen watcher of royal matters . my watcher of royal matters. my colleague david williamson, on the sunday hold of this the sunday has got hold of this report exclusively from civitas, the sunday has got hold of this rethinktank sively from civitas, the sunday has got hold of this rethinktank , vely from civitas, the sunday has got hold of this rethinktank , and from civitas, the sunday has got hold of this rethinktank , and they've vitas, a thinktank, and they've crunched quite a lot of the stats about royal visits over the last decade and found that actually there's been a 40% drop in the number of of ribbon in the number of kind of ribbon cutting royal tree cutting events. royal tree planting plaque , unveilings. planting plaque, unveilings. it's interesting. i think thew-we— it's interesting. i think thew-we get— it's interesting. i think they've got the stats from tim donovan— they've got the stats from tim denewen , whe— they've got the stats from tim donovan , who kind of does the donovan, who kind of does the count— donovan, who kind of does the count up— donovan, who kind of does the count up et— donovan, who kind of does the count up of all— donovan, who kind of does the count up of all of— donovan, who kind of does the count up of all of the jobs at the— count up of all of the jobs at the ent— count up of all of the jobs at the end et— count up of all of the jobs at the end of the— count up of all of the jobs at the end of the year. yeah, teeeuee— the end of the year. yeah, because this— the end of the year. yeah, because this is- the end of the year. yeah, because this is speaking to a titt— because this is speaking to a ttnt et— because this is speaking to a kind of change— because this is speaking to a kind of change royal kind of change in the royal approach.— kind of change in the royal approach—ll kind of change in the royal- approach._| would approach. there's what i would eat— approach. there's what i would call-princess— approach. there's what i would call-princess anne- approach. there's what i would call princess anne approach, call the princess anne approach, with— call the princess anne approach, with te— call the princess anne approach, with te tem— call the princess anne approach, which is cram many which is cram in as many engagements— which is cram in as many engagements can which is cram in as many engagements-can a day, engagements as you can in a day, wwett— engagements as you can in a day, wwett-epen— engagements as you can in a day, unveil open envelopes unveil plaques, open envelopes ent— unveil plaques, open envelopes ant—t.- and all the rest of it. then there-e— and all the rest of it. then there's-more- and all the rest of it. then there's more thematic there's the more thematic approach— there's the more thematic- approach—adopted there's the more thematic- approach_adopted by approach that's been adopted by younger— approach that's been adopted by younger-ute— approach that's been adopted by younger-like the- approach that's been adopted by younger like the prince younger royals like the prince ent— younger royals like the prince and princess— younger royals like the prince and princess of— younger royals like the prince and princess of wales. and tweet,— and princess of wales. and indeed, when— and princess of wales. and indeed, when they around indeed, when they were around harry— indeed, when they were around harry ent— indeed, when they were around harry and meghan that they want to harry and meghan that they want te—ttemee— harry and meghan that they want to_themes, but- harry and meghan that they want to themes, but they to talk about themes, but they ten-t— to talk about themes, but they ten-t went— to talk about themes, but they don't want-too- to talk about themes, but they don't want too many don't want to go too many wette. — don't want to go too many wette. eut— don't want to go too many visits. but then _ don't want to go too many visits. but then the punters went— visits. but then the punters went te— visits. but then the punters went to see— visits. but then the punters want to see the— visits. but then the punters want to see the royals at the

wee— want to see the royals at the local hospitals— want to see the royals at the local hospitals and at the weekends— local hospitals and at the playgrounds and at the schools ent— playgrounds and at the schools ant att— playgrounds and at the schools ant att tne— playgrounds and at the schools and all the rest— playgrounds and at the schools and all the rest of— playgrounds and at the schools and all the rest of it, don't tnewe— and all the rest of it, don't tnewe et— and all the rest of it, don't they? of course— and all the rest of it, don't they? of course they do. ' t: they? of course they do. and i tntnt— they? of course they do. and i tntnt-ts— they? of course they do. and i think-is quite— they? of course they do. and i think is quite a serious think this is quite a serious problem and the report by civitas talks about this potential collapse in support for the royals if they don't get out there and do do the hard work do the well hard work going to wave going to tree planting. i mean, you know , you can have i mean, you know, you can have an argument about whether that's hard say. hard work or not. fair to say. people to mean, do we people want to see i mean, do we think younger think that the younger generation whisper it are comparatively a lazy? i comparatively a bit lazy? i mean, think everyone seems mean, i think everyone seems tatte— mean, i think everyone seems ante-tn— mean, i think everyone seems ante-tn royal— mean, i think everyone seems quite in royal land quite lazy in royal land eenpaet— quite lazy in royal land compared royal. compared to the princess royal. ttent. — compared to the princess royal. right. -regarded- compared to the princess royal. right. regarded this right. who's regarded as this trouperw— right. who's regarded as this trouper,-doesn't- right. who's regarded as this trouper, doesn't stop. to be trouper, who doesn't stop. to be tan— trouper, who doesn't stop. to be tatn tne— trouper, who doesn't stop. to be tatn tne ttne-e— trouper, who doesn't stop. to be fair, the king's renowned for tetne— fair, the king's renowned for being workaholic . yeah, but being a workaholic. yeah, but eteanw— being a workaholic. yeah, but eteatw tne— being a workaholic. yeah, but clearly the younger royals don't want— clearly the younger royals don't want-tn— clearly the younger royals don't want-tn tne— clearly the younger royals don't want-in the same- clearly the younger royals don't want in the same way. want to do it in the same way. i ten-t— want to do it in the same way. i don't-whether— want to do it in the same way. i don't-whether what- want to do it in the same way. i don't whether what they're don't know whether what they're tene— don't know whether what they're doing-impactful_ don't know whether what they're doing impactful as well. doing is as impactful as well. i doing is as impactful as well. . mean— doing is as impactful as well. t neanleappese— doing is as impactful as well. i mean,lsuppose-is- doing is as impactful as well. i mean,isuppose-is an. i mean, i suppose there is an argument has the argument about what has the biggest bigger biggest impact is it that bigger kind where obviously kind of picture where obviously you royals you see the younger royals talking health and talking about mental health and campaigning on that? actually, talking about mental health and camjdoesing on that? actually, talking about mental health and camjdoesing orquite? actually, talking about mental health and camjdoesing orquite aactually, talking about mental health and camjdoesing orquite a big ally, that does have quite a big impact. if the numbers that impact. but if the numbers that have at, if you look

have been looked at, if you look at visits there at how many visits there have been over last decade , the been over the last decade, the king and the princess royal are responsible for two thirds of those two thirds, two thirds. yes. between them and actually, the princess royal obviously tops the king because she is the hardest working royal. and actually, that is that is a huge number of visits on to people's shoulders . and the younger shoulders. and the younger royals really need to kind of step up start taking on some step up and start taking on some of responsibilities. of those responsibilities. briefly that, our express briefly on that, our express eaten— readers interested in the eennatent— coronation, there's been some tentat— coronation, there's been some veneev netttnt— coronation, there's been some yougov polling that yougov polling to suggest that tnete-e— yougov polling to suggest that tnete-e-et— yougov polling to suggest that there's of disinterest. there's a bit of disinterest. vea— there's a bit of disinterest. tea knew,— there's a bit of disinterest. you know, haven't been you know, there haven't been many—tet- you know, there haven't been many _for streeti many applications for street panes.— many applications for street parties. interested . parties. they are interested. teat.— parties. they are interested. teat. .— parties. they are interested. teat. . mean— parties. they are interested. yeah, i mean, clearly- parties. they are interested. yeah, i mean, clearly our readers are just massive royalists and there's an insatiable for royal insatiable appetite for royal news . and you know, we've had news. and you know, we've had the on the front page for the royals on the front page for three running this week three days running this week because demand for because there is that demand for the latest updates on the coronation. so yeah, certainly for it's huge for our readers, it's a huge event. harry's newly announced appearance— event. harry's newly announced appearance n— event. harry's newly announced appearance is going— harry's newly announced appearance is going to add a new ttmenetcn— appearance is going to add a new ttmenctcn te— appearance is going to add a new dimension to the— appearance is going to add a new dimension to the fans. "t; ”c: dimension to the fans. they're not dimension to the fans. they're net-ct— dimension to the fans. they're net-ct nann— dimension to the fans. they're not of harry, it's fair to not fans of harry, it's fair to say. iknow, not fans of harry, it's fair to say. i know, but he's the copy ent— say. i know, but he's the copy ant—en— say. i know, but he's the copy ant—en ttwnt-

gift that keeps on giving. ncntcattw— gift that keeps on giving. ironically so— gift that keeps on giving. ironically so they have it now. tne—naw— ironically so they have it now. tne—naw eten,- ironically so they have it now. the _day story, wei ironically so they have it now. i the—day story, we call the groundhog day story, we call it that because it's sean ttntcn-c— it that because it's sean linton's-in- it that because it's sean linton's-in the- it that because it's sean linton's in the sunday linton's piece in the sunday ttmec— linton's piece in the sunday times,.battle_ linton's piece in the sunday times, battle tearing the times, a battle tearing the nurses union— times, a battle tearing the nurses union apart. times, a battle tearing the nurses union apart . what's going nurses union apart. what's going on mete,— nurses union apart. what's going on men, same— nurses union apart. what's going on there, sam? because it's went,— on there, sam? because it's went, tnn— on there, sam? because it's went, tnn .— on there, sam? because it's weird, this i mean, it's a real mess. some nurses want to accept wnat— mess. some nurses want to accept wnat tne— mess. some nurses want to accept what the government's offered ant— what the government's offered ant-tent. — what the government's offered and-don't. yeah- what the government's offered and don't. yeah at the and some don't. yeah at the expense. we've— and some don't. yeah at the expense. �*itt�*tzi " ti”; and some don't. yeah at the expense. i expense. we've been very closely involved to the royal involved in talking to the royal college of nursing throughout this period of industrial action because actually a lot of our readers quite sympathetic to readers are quite sympathetic to the knew they'd had the nurses. they knew they'd had a during the pandemic the nurses. they knew they'd had athey during the pandemic the nurses. they knew they'd had athey know during the pandemic the nurses. they knew they'd had athey know thating the pandemic the nurses. they knew they'd had athey know that actuallytandemic the nurses. they knew they'd had athey know that actually oniemic . they know that actually on quite so there quite low wages. and so there was lot sympathy was quite a lot of sympathy and actually widely there was actually more widely there was a lot public sympathy it lot of public sympathy and it remained solid throughout remained rock solid throughout the . but the industrial action. but obviously the rcn went into obviously when the rcn went into those negotiations with the government, it was three weeks of very intense negotiation sessions. the rcn, sessions. the boss of the rcn, pat and health pat cullen, and the health secretary , steve barclay, they secretary, steve barclay, they really managed to kind of get through different through lots of different aspects of working conditions as well as pay and they came up with a deal at pat cullen at the time, said she felt was worth

putting to their members. she recommended their members. recommended it to their members. the members have rejected that. that's problem for her, that's a big problem for her, yes, but also what i think is very interesting what we've very interesting and what we've kind on express kind of looked at on the express is when you drill is the fact that when you drill down the figures, only 3 in down into the figures, only 3 in 10 nurses backed opposed the pay deal , 3 in 10 10 nurses backed opposed the pay deal, 3 in 10 nurses overall because of the turnout. so the turnout was, oh, so it's kind of skewed. it's skewed the response. but- : it's skewed the response. but are they are they canne— response. but are they are they eawtnt, wett— response. but are they are they saying, well, look,— response. but are they are they saying, well, look, the junior tecton— saying, well, look, the junior tcctcn—tct- saying, well, look, the junior doctors _for 35. l saying, well, look, the juniori doctors _for 35. so doctors have asked for 35. so we-we-tcc— doctors have asked for 35. so we've _too modest. - doctors have asked for 35. so we've too modest. they we've been too modest. they ctwcaew— we've been too modest. they obviously started _ we've been too modest. they obviously started on 19% and ttnt— obviously started on 19% and we're kind of— obviously started on 19% and we're kind of told, no, don't be ttttcatcan— we're kind of told, no, don't be ridiculous. maybe— we're kind of told, no, don't be ridiculous. maybe they do see tnat— ridiculous. maybe they do see tnat tnew-we— ridiculous. maybe they do see that they've got— ridiculous. maybe they do see that they've got the public ewmpatnw— that they've got the public sympathy more than junior tecton— sympathy more than junior doctors who— sympathy more than junior doctors who are considered to be better— doctors who are considered to be better-indeed,- doctors who are considered to be better indeed, perhaps better off and indeed, perhaps even teachers. _ better off and indeed, perhaps even teachers. people are still anew— even teachers. people are still anew attent— even teachers. people are still angry about school closures tanne— angry about school closures during pandemic. so what do during the pandemic. so what do me— during the pandemic. so what do tnew-tnene— during the pandemic. so what do tnew-tnene-ct- during the pandemic. so what do they-then?-of thesei they think then? some of these nurses think that they've underplayed_ nurses think that they've. underplayed_. i nurses think that they've- underplayed_. i think underplayed their hand. i think pcnttw— underplayed their hand. i think pcntttw-atwaws— underplayed their hand. i think possibly-always in- underplayed their hand. i think possibly always in unions, possibly and always in unions, you do get a kind of more hardline faction. but when you think the low turnout think about the low turnout and then how translates to 3 in then how it translates to 3 in 10 nurses, most nurses is were

either , you know, unconcerned either, you know, unconcerned and would just go along with it or wanted to accept the deal. so i think it's a shame that 3 in 10 nurses have pushed the rcn into taking even more radical action because the next round of strikes all the exemptions that were in place before. so protections for cancer care protections for cancer care protections for cancer care protections for emergency departments, they've now ditched those. the next round of strikes is going to be much more painful because it affect emergency because it will affect emergency care i think that's a very care and i think that's a very sad state the to be in sad state for the rcn to be in at this time. and i don't at this time. and also, i don't tntnt— at this time. and also, i don't tntnt-tcwn— at this time. and also, i don't think-down nurses- e and also, i don't think down nurses will want think deep down nurses will want to think deep down nurses will want tc—nnt— think deep down nurses will want tc—ant-ceen to harm patients. and we've seen came—tne— to harm patients. and we've seen some—the week- some statistics in the week attent— some statistics in the week atom-ct- some statistics in the week about _of the - some statistics in the week. about-of the junior about the effect of the junior tecton— about the effect of the junior doctors strike _ about the effect of the junior doctors strike on— about the effect of the junior doctors strike on excess deaths . tncee— doctors strike on excess deaths . those numbers— doctors strike on excess deaths . those numbers making . those numbers aren't making for . those numbers aren't making tea—teattntl for very comfortable reading. tet-c— for very comfortable reading. tet-c tatt— for very comfortable reading. let's talk about— for very comfortable reading. let's talk about the picture eten— let's talk about the picture eten ct— let's talk about the picture eten ct tne — let's talk about the picture story of the weekend because, of .tne — story of the weekend because, of course, the protesters at course, it is the protesters at tne— course, it is the protesters at the-national. - course, it is the protesters at the national. weirdly, course, it is the protesters at the i national. weirdly, course, it is the protesters at the i was, itional. weirdly, course, it is the protesters at the iwas,itididn'tiileirdly, course, it is the protesters at the i was, itididn't reallyi, where i was, i didn't really tttn-t— where i was, i didn't really didn't really— where i was, i didn't really didn't really see what was going onou-vre net- didn't really see what was going on you're not watching on because you're not watching the on because you're not watching tne-wca-te— on because you're not watching tne-wca-te-tetntl the telly and you're not being tntctmet— the telly and you're not beingi informed _you're informed of everything. you're tact— just watching the track and twtnt—ncneel just watching the track and. trying—horses went trying to see your horses went ant— trying to see your horses went ant-tn— trying to see your horses went ant-tn tne- trying to see your horses went and in the paddock and saw them in the paddock and men— and saw them in the paddock and men ctwcacw— and saw them in the paddock and then obviously being led out me— then obviously being led out tntc tne— then obviously being led out into the field. _ then obviously being led out into the field. it's quite into the field. and it's quite actcnnntnt— into the field. and it's quite

astonitnational_ into the field. and it's quite astonitnational starts when it grand national starts when it ewentaattw— grand national starts when it eventually did— grand national starts when it eventually did start. but i meanltcn-t— eventually did start. but i mean, don't there's a mean, i don't think there's a i to_t— mean, i don't think there's a i tc-t tntnt— mean, i don't think there's a i to-i think people- mean, i don't think there's a i to i think people are to be fair, i think people are concerned about— to be fair, i think people are concerned about race horses twtnt— concerned about race horses twtnt tn— concerned about race horses twtnt tn racec— concerned about race horses dying in races like the grand wattcnat.— dying in races like the grand national. and— dying in races like the grand national. and lots have been catt— national. and lots have been eatt atcat— national. and lots have been said about the— national. and lots have been said about the height of the tence— said about the height of the tence ant— said about the height of the fences and all— said about the height of the fences and all the rest of it. is fences and all the rest of it. n t— fences and all the rest of it. n tt cmete— fences and all the rest of it. is it cruel? but— fences and all the rest of it. is it cruel? but i— fences and all the rest of it. is it cruel? but i don't think tnew-tt— is it cruel? but i don't think they'll sympathise with the way tnece—tnet- they'll sympathise with the way these _tried to l these protesters have tried to ane— these protesters have tried to cane—ct— these protesters have tried to raise _of this. - these protesters have tried to. raise _of this. .you raise awareness of this. do you knew,— raise awareness of this. do you knew—tne - raise awareness of this. do you know,_the mail- raise awareness of this. do you know,_the mail on| know, and i think the mail on santaw— know, and i think the mail on sunday, obviously expose know, and i think the mail on suntplotobviously expose know, and i think the mail on suntplotobviously of expose know, and i think the mail on suntplotobviously of expcago. this plot a couple of weeks ago. so this plot a couple of weeks ago. sc-amaztne— this plot a couple of weeks ago. so-amazing really,— this plot a couple of weeks ago. so-amazing really, that- this plot a couple of weeks ago. so-amazing really, that it- so it's amazing really, that it even as far it did even got as far as it did yesterday. but i think it's incredibly the incredibly difficult for the police when you've crowd police when you've got a crowd of people and of 65, 70,000 people and a hundred or so trying to infiltrate that. it is very difficult completely keep on difficult to completely keep on top that. but i think top of that. but i think the mail the point mail on sunday makes the point that say it's the that that they say it's the first step in the victory against you know, these kind of woke protests. i think actually does demonstrate a real sense of arrogance. a hundred people will think that they are they're kind of self—righteous indignation is so important that they can ruin an event that 70,000 people want to actually turn up to. and by

the way, people around the world of life, you know, like i was i sat next to jackie stewart of all people yesterday. but at the same all people yesterday. but at the ttme— all people yesterday. but at the time, you— all people yesterday. but at the same time, you know,- all people yesterday. but at the same time, you know, it's- 35th but at the same time, you know, it's a wetttnt— same time, you know, it's a wetttnt petite— same time, you know, it's a working people sport racing. so it's working people sport racing. so tt-c wen— working people sport racing. so it's very demographically ttwene— it's very demographically ttwene. t— it's very demographically diverse. i would suggest . did diverse. i would suggest. did you— diverse. i would suggest. did you-a— diverse. i would suggest. did you-a flutter?- diverse. i would suggest. did you-a flutter? i- diverse. i would suggest. did you a flutter? i didn't . you have a flutter? i didn't. oh,— you have a flutter? i didn't. on, cany— you have a flutter? i didn't. on, can te— you have a flutter? i didn't. oh, sorry to win— you have a flutter? i didn't. oh, sorry to win on your win. mant— oh, sorry to win on your win. thank you— oh, sorry to win on your win. thank you wen— oh, sorry to win on your win. thank you very much. i- oh, sorry to win on your win. ti i don't thank you very much. i don't like to talk about— thank you very much. i don't like to talk about it.- thank you very much. i don't like to talk about it. i've- i i don't like to talk about it. i've only menttcnet— like to talk about it. i've only mentioned it— like to talk about it. i've only mentioned it twice already on me— mentioned it twice already on tnn encw. — mentioned it twice already on this show. sam— mentioned it twice already on this show. sam thank you this show. sam lister, thank you very,— this show. sam lister, thank you tem—tnteet- this show. sam lister, thank you very,_indeed for- very, very much indeed for tctntnt— very, very much indeed for tctntnt-tnn— very, very much indeed for joining this morning. um, do joining me this morning. um, do let joining me this morning. um, do tet-actaattw— joining me this morning. um, do let-actually on- joining me this morning. um, do let-actually on gb- joining me this morning. um, do let actually on gb views let us know actually on gb views if let us know actually on gb views tt wea— let us know actually on gb views tt wen nat— let us know actually on gb views tt you mat a— let us know actually on gb views if you had a flutter— let us know actually on gb views if you had a flutter and you wont— if you had a flutter and you tet-c— if you had a flutter and you won, let's hear— if you had a flutter and you won, let's hear some nice success stories- won, let's hear some nice success stories about gambling, tecaace— success stories about gambling, tecaaee t-m— success stories about gambling, because i'm encouraging because i'm not encouraging tanning.— because i'm not encouraging tamtttnt-natl because i'm not encouraging gambling. had just gambling. but if you had just put gambling. but if you had just natlttwe— gambling. but if you had just putlfive-each- gambling. but if you had just put five each way and put a five or on each way and wen-we— put a five or on each way and you've won something, let us knew— you've won something, let us knew-onwa— you've won something, let us know olivia utley you've won something, let usi know-olivia utley-i know now. olivia utley who? i ten-t— know now. olivia utley who? i tent—eten- know now. olivia utley who? i ten-t—cne-c nati know now. olivia utley who? i. don't—she's put any don't know whether she's put any menew— don't know whether she's put any ”tone-- don't know whether she's put any meneew— net. - don't know whether she's put any money—or not. ouri money on the horses or not. our gb money on the horses or not. our ct _tenenet- money on the horses or not. our ct _tenenetltni gb news political reporter is in crawecent— gb news political reporter is in gravesend-i'm_ gb news political reporter is in gravesend i'm wondering what gravesend and i'm wondering what are gravesend and i'm wondering what tne— gravesend and i'm wondering what tne teet— gravesend and i'm wondering what tne teet-et— gravesend and i'm wondering what are the good of gravesend are the good people of gravesend tntnttnt— are the good people of gravesend thinking-morning— are the good people of gravesend thinking morning about the thinking this morning about the new-et— thinking this morning about the new-et tne— thinking this morning about the news of the week? olivia, news events of the week? olivia, do news events of the week? olivia, te tett— news events of the week? olivia, te tett — news events of the week? olivia, do tell us. hello.— news events of the week? olivia, do tell us. hello. yes,- news events of the week? olivia, do tell us. t/tzit: ”ti do tell us. hello. yes, i'm here in the lovely marie's cafe in the centre of gravesend , and the centre of gravesend, and i'll be talking to our brilliant

people's panel about what they make of the biggest stories of the giving them a the week and giving them a chance to ask some questions to your guests. camilla. but first, i'm introduce you to i'm going to introduce you to graham, who's the manager of marie's and graham, marie's cafe here, and graham, thank you so much for having us. i've just had one of the best teas i've ever had in my life. blueberry pancake very much recommend. graham, recommend. but graham, how do you how business is going you feel? how business is going at moment? i mean, you feel? how business is going at sayoment? i mean, you feel? how business is going at say business i mean, you feel? how business is going at say business has i mean, you feel? how business is going at say business has slowed, let's say business has slowed up a bit recently with the a little bit recently with the cost of living electric quadrupling the moment, but quadrupling at the moment, but at same we're not going quadrupling at the moment, but at standime we're not going quadrupling at the moment, but at stand here we're not going quadrupling at the moment, but at stand here and we're not going quadrupling at the moment, but at stand here and waits not going quadrupling at the moment, but at stand here and wait fort going to stand here and wait for somebody fix it for us. somebody to fix it for us. we've just done a refurb so somebody to fix it for us. - we've just done a refurb so that we-more events- we've just done a refurb so that we more events and we can hold more events and tntntc— we can hold more events and things-whether- we can hold more events and things whether it's things in here, whether it's wetttetne— things in here, whether it's wellbeing, whatever it wellbeing, classes, whatever it mttnt— wellbeing, classes, whatever it mttnt-entw— wellbeing, classes, whatever it mttnt-entw-tatl might be, not only for us but for might be, not only for us but tea-teca— might be, not only for us but for local community as well. for the local community as well. so for the local community as well. seceme—— for the local community as well. seceme— teem - for the local community as well. so_come from us. i so lots still to come from us. tantasttc— so lots still to come from us. fantastic. and _ so lots still to come from us. fantastic. and the— so lots still to come from us. fantastic. and the refurb is looking wonderful. thank you again having us. and now i'm again for having us. and now i'm going to introduce you to our wonderful we've wonderful people's panel. we've got here. theresa and peter got sam here. theresa and peter and sam, i'll start with you. what do you think are the biggest issues facing britain this week in at the moment? i

think we've got to go with the mat— think we've got to go with the mat teat— think we've got to go with the small boat crisis,— think we've got to go with the small boat crisis, not a mile trem— small boat crisis, not a mile teem neee. — small boat crisis, not a mile teem men. a— small boat crisis, not a mile from here. a hotel recently has teen— from here. a hotel recently has teen taken— from here. a hotel recently has been taken over. _ from here. a hotel recently has been taken over. there's going to been taken over. there's going te te— been taken over. there's going te be to— been taken over. there's going to be 70 single— been taken over. there's going to be 70 single young men in and wneee— to be 70 single young men in and wneee tnn— to be 70 single young men in and where this hotel— to be 70 single young men in and where this hotel is— to be 70 single young men in and where this hotel is situated, tt-c— where this hotel is situated, ttn neeettw— where this hotel is situated, ttn neeetttw a— where this hotel is situated, it's possibly a ten minute walk to it's possibly a ten minute walk te tneee— it's possibly a ten minute walk to three primary— it's possibly a ten minute walk to three primary schools and nat— to three primary schools and mat a— to three primary schools and we've had a bad— to three primary schools and we've had a bad actors coming en tne— we've had a bad actors coming over on the boats. _ we've had a bad actors coming over on the boats. and there nave — over on the boats. and there nave teen— over on the boats. and there have been people breaking into etnen— have been people breaking into others houses— have been people breaking into others houses .— have been people breaking into others houses . there have been others houses. there have been neeete— others houses. there have been people teeetnt— others houses. there have been people leering at— others houses. there have been people leering at young girls ant— people leering at young girls and we've only— people leering at young girls and we've only just committed natt— and we've only just committed mate a— and we've only just committed half a billion— and we've only just committed half a billion pounds to the to teencn— half a billion pounds to the to teencn nett— half a billion pounds to the to french help us.— half a billion pounds to the to french help us. yet the other day,— french help us. yet the other taw ene— french help us. yet the other daye et— french help us. yet the other day, one of their— french help us. yet the other day, one of their warships asked ateeew— day, one of their warships asked ateeew te— day, one of their warships asked a ferry te mee— day, one of their warships asked a ferry to move out— day, one of their warships asked a ferry to move out the way to eccen— a ferry to move out the way to eccen eeeete— a ferry to move out the way to escort people into— a ferry to move out the way to escort people into british territorial— escort people into british territorial waters. so what's going— territorial waters. so what's tetnt ene— territorial waters. so what's going on? absolutely thank you new— going on? absolutely thank you new mnem— going on? absolutely thank you very much. and theresa, obviously, rishi sunak has a pretty full inbox . what do you pretty full inbox. what do you think should be his top priority? ithink think should be his top priority? i think he needs to get— priority? i think he needs to get te— priority? i think he needs to get te tenn— priority? i think he needs to get to grips with— a? i think he needs to get to grips with strikes get to grips with the strikes tnat—at- get to grips with the strikes tnat—at tne i get to grips with the strikes- that_at the moment that are going on at the moment - my— that are going on at the moment . my paeents— that are going on at the moment . my paeente ae— that are going on at the moment . my parents are both- that are going on at the moment . my parents are both undergoing treatment. father's got treatment. my father's got advanced cancer. they both had a

nameet— advanced cancer. they both had a naenete et— advanced cancer. they both had a number of scans— advanced cancer. they both had a number of scans and— est: i: ii they both had a number of scans and treatments tnat— number of scans and treatments tnat nave— number of scans and treatments that have been— number of scans and treatments that have been cancelled , which that have been cancelled, which i that have been cancelled, which t tntnt— that have been cancelled, which t tntnt n— that have been cancelled, which i think is immoral— that have been cancelled, which i think is immoral . ti : i think is immoral. he needs to get te— i think is immoral. he needs to get to grips with the strikes and to start governing the country. thank you very much. and what about you, peter? what do and what about you, peter? what te-cneatt— and what about you, peter? what te-cneatt te- and what about you, peter? what do - should be the - do you think should be the meat— should be the government's top eeteettw— should be the government's top eeteettw .— should be the government's top eeteettw , centnt— should be the government's top priority , sorting out the rebel priority, sorting out the rebel backbenchers_ priority, sorting out the rebel backbenchers ,_ priority, sorting out the rebel backbenchers , getting getting backbenchers, getting getting eaettament— backbenchers, getting getting parliament to _ backbenchers, getting getting parliament to actually , you parliament to actually, you knew,— parliament to actually, you knew, eate — parliament to actually, you know, rule for— parliament to actually, you know, rule for us if we elect tnem — know, rule for us if we elect tnem te— know, rule for us if we elect them to rule— know, rule for us if we elect them to rule and- know, rule for us if we elect them to rule and not to squabble . teat.— them to rule and not to squabble . teat. ant— them to rule and not to squabble . yeah. and thank— them to rule and not to squabble . t/tzieit" ' sm“ sorry. . yeah. and thank you. sorry. no, i think i think— . yeah. and thank you. sorry. no, i think i think that's- . / sorry. no, i think i think that's a catty— no, i think i think that's a really interesting point you've eanet— really interesting point you've eanet tneee— really interesting point you've raised there because as multiple tneee— raised there because as multiple issues there-about- raised there because as multiple issues there about of issues there are about sort of eceetece— issues there are about sort of competence. obviously we've competence. and obviously we've got competence. and obviously we've get a— competence. and obviously we've get a wee— competence. and obviously we've got a wes streeting— competence. and obviously we've got a wes streeting being interviewed— got a wes streeting being interviewed by camilla a bit taten— interviewed by camilla a bit tatee. ne— interviewed by camilla a bit tatee. tee wea— interviewed by camilla a bit later. do you think, theresa, tnat— later. do you think, theresa, tnat tateae— later. do you think, theresa, that labour offers a better alternative?— that labour offers a better alternative? is— that labour offers a better alternative? is there anything tnat— alternative? is there anything tnat yea-t— alternative? is there anything that you'd like— alternative? is there anything that you'd like to ask wes steeettnt— that you'd like to ask wes streeting i'm— that you'd like to ask wes streeting i'm not sure that they ettee— streeting i'm not sure that they ettee a— streeting i'm not sure that they offer a better— streeting i'm not sure that they offer a better alternative , but offer a better alternative, but i offer a better alternative, but t-ttte— offer a better alternative, but t-ttte te— offer a better alternative, but i-like to know- offer a better alternative, but i like to know exactly i would like to know exactly wnat— i would like to know exactly wnat-ntan— i would like to know exactly wnat-ntan n.— i would like to know exactly what-plan is. - i would like to know exactly what plan is. �*ftt�*tzi i would like to know exactly- what-plan is. we hear a lot what the plan is. we hear a lot about their we don't know about their plan. we don't know how it's costed and i'd to how it's costed and i'd like to see the detail of that. thank you. i'm sure. i'm— see the detail of that. thank

you. i'm sure. i'm sure- : e thank you. i'm sure. i'm sure there'll be you. i'm sure. i'm sure there'll tee-wewen- you. i'm sure. i'm sure there'll tee-wewen wne- you. i'm sure. i'm sure there'll be viewers who would be plenty of viewers who would ate—tee. — be plenty of viewers who would ate—tee. ant- like to see that, too. and tetee— like to see that, too. and peter, what _ like to see that, too. and peter, what about you? is there anwtntnt—te- peter, what about you? is therei anything—to ask? anything that you'd like to ask? ask anything that you'd like to ask? net-tneee— anything that you'd like to ask? ask there something ask labour. is there something tnat— ask labour. is there something tnat-ceatt— ask labour. is there something that-could do— ask labour. is there something that could do make that they could do to make you want— that they could do to make you want-vete— that they could do to make you want.vote.labour- that they could do to make you want vote labour ? ct?" e want to vote for labour? i don't tntnt— want to vote for labour? i don't tntnt t— want to vote for labour? i don't tntnt t weatt— want to vote for labour? i don't think i would vote for labour and i don't believe that the windfall tax has said will cover all the cost of the, you know , all the cost of the, you know, their proposals . i don't all the cost of the, you know, their proposals. i don't i can't see it somehow. so, so there's quite a bit of worry about funding. i'm getting. yeah. team— funding. i'm getting. yeah. yeah. interesting- t: 3 i'm getting. yeah. yeah. interesting and sam, "n: 3 i'm getting. yeah. yeah. interesting and sam, what ateat— yeah. interesting and sam, what ateat you?— yeah. interesting and sam, what ateat you? n— yeah. interesting and sam, what about you? is there anything eantcataew— about you? is there anything particularly that that you'd ate— particularly that that you'd ttte te— particularly that that you'd ttte te act— particularly that that you'd like to ask wes— particularly that that you'd like to ask wes streeting. yeah, i like to ask wes streeting. yeah, t mean— like to ask wes streeting. yeah, t att— like to ask wes streeting. yeah, t att et— like to ask wes streeting. yeah, i mean, all of labour have been highly— i mean, all of labour have been many cetttcat— i mean, all of labour have been highly critical of— i mean, all of labour have been highly critical of the government's . t:tit" e highly critical of the- government's . i don't know , government's. i don't know, engagein government's. i don't know, engage in negotiations over the striking and i'd like to ask what does wes think would be a suitable pay rise for these people? and once again, how is he going to fund it? is he going to look to reform? it's never been better funded around 10% of our gdp . so what are the answers

our gdp. so what are the answers ? thank you. and it's interesting— 7” thank you. and it's interesting because we've got tatte— interesting because we've got tatte a— interesting because we've got tatte a tet— interesting because we've got tatte a tet et— interesting because we've got quite a lot of sympathy for the etewen— quite a lot of sympathy for the strikers here. _ quite a lot of sympathy for the strikers here. but— quite a lot of sympathy for the strikers here. but a realisation tnat— strikers here. but a realisation tnat tnn— strikers here. but a realisation that this can't— strikers here. but a realisation that this can't go— strikers here. but a realisation that this can't go on and that men— that this can't go on and that tneee mant— that this can't go on and that there must be— that this can't go on and that there must be some sort of cemeeemtce— there must be some sort of compromise has- there must be some sort of compromise has to be reached. so tt-tt— compromise has to be reached. so at te— compromise has to be reached. so at be tt-tt— compromise has to be reached. so it'll be it'll be— compromise has to be reached. so it'll be it'll be really— it'll be it'll be really interesting - it'll be it'll be really interesting to see how that tnteewew— interesting to see how that interview goes. _ interesting to see how that interview goes. thank you very macn— interview goes. thank you very much-gravesend- interview goes. thank you very much gravesend . interview goes. thank you very- much-gravesend . thank you much from gravesend. thank you new— much from gravesend. thank you ten-tee— much from gravesend. thank you very for that indeed, very much for that indeed, olivia. and we will putting olivia. and we will be putting those questions to wes streeting right the shadow those questions to wes streeting right secretary the shadow those questions to wes streeting right secretary joins shadow those questions to wes streeting right secretary joins meidow those questions to wes streeting right secretary joins me ,iow health secretary joins me, whereas i hope you can hear me now. this now. we've seen this announcement labour , 7500 announcement from labour, 7500 more doctors . announcement from labour, 7500 more doctors. i'm a bit announcement from labour, 7500 more doctors . i'm a bit confused more doctors. i'm a bit confused because i remember you announcing this last year. you're going to pay for it with the abolishing of the non—dom status . but the abolishing of the non—dom status. but again, the abolishing of the non—dom status . but again, rachel reeves status. but again, rachel reeves has been talking about that for 12 months. so sorry. what's new about this labour policy ? well, about this labour policy? well, i think you're busted. me, camilla, it's a pretty- : me, camilla, it's a pretty shameless attempt— camilla, it's a pretty shameless attempt te— camilla, it's a pretty shameless attempt to remind— camilla, it's a pretty shameless attempt to remind people that we've committed— attempt to remind people that we've committed to the biggest epe— we've committed to the biggest epe et— we've committed to the biggest expansion of nhs— we've committed to the biggest expansion of nhs staff in nnteew— expansion of nhs staff in nnteew .— expansion of nhs staff in history , funded by abolishing history, funded by abolishing the history, funded by abolishing tne men—tem— history, funded by abolishing the non—dom tax status, because we tntnt— the non—dom tax status, because we tntnt tnat— the non—dom tax status, because we think that people who make nettatn— we think that people who make britain their—

we think that people who make britain their home should pay tnete— britain their home should pay tnete taxes— britain their home should pay their taxes here. _ britain their home should pay their taxes here. and the one tntnt— their taxes here. and the one tntnt t— their taxes here. and the one tntnt t-eaw— their taxes here. and the one thing i-say that's- thing i will say that's a caepene— thing i will say that's a surprise to— thing i will say that's a surprise to-is- thing i will say that's a surprise to is that i'm still surprise to me is that i'm still tatttnt— surprise to me is that i'm still tatttnt ateat— surprise to me is that i'm still talking about doubling the namete— talking about doubling the number medical talking about doubling the- number-medical-places number of medical school places tecae— number of medical school places because—expected. because i genuinely expected tnat— because i genuinely expected tnat tne— because i genuinely expected that the chancellor, jeremy want,— that the chancellor, jeremy tantlatct— that the chancellor, jeremy hunt, . nick the - that the chancellor, jeremy hunt, nick the policy because hunt, to nick the policy because nen— hunt, to nick the policy because ne-c—peanet- hunt, to nick the policy because ne-c—peanet tt- hunt, to nick the policy because he's praised it. when he's previously praised it. when he's previously praised it. when ne-cnate— he's previously praised it. when ne-cnate et— he's previously praised it. when he-chair of the— he's previously praised it. when he chair of the health he was chair of the health setect— he was chair of the health select the select committee, he hasn't the eeweenment— select committee, he hasn't the government promised nhs government have promised an nhs weetteece— government have promised an nhs weetteece-.— government have promised an nhs weetteece- tnew— government have promised an nhs workforce . they haven't workforce plan. they haven't tettweeet— workforce plan. they haven't delivered one.— workforce plan. they haven't delivered one. and it's such a fundamental— delivered one. and it's such a fundamental issue because unless the fundamental issue because unless tne-nac— fundamental issue because unless tne-nac tne— fundamental issue because unless the-has the staff— fundamental issue because unless the-has the staff it- fundamental issue because unless the has the staff it needs, the nhs has the staff it needs, it's the nhs has the staff it needs, ttn tetnt— the nhs has the staff it needs, it's going struggle to treat it's going to struggle to treat patente— it's going to struggle to treat patients-time— it's going to struggle to treat patients time and we're going patients on time and we're going to patients on time and we're going te—ttzaeee- to end up in this bizarre cttaatten— to end up in this bizarre situation where on one hand we're away straight we're turning away straight a crate— we're turning away straight ai teate—etatwtnt grade students from studying mettctne— grade students from studying mettctne at— grade students from studying medicine at university whilst eeceatttnt— medicine at university whilst recruiting people from overseas in recruiting people from overseas tn teeatee— recruiting people from overseas in greater numbers than we're teatntnt— in greater numbers than we're teatntnt eae— in greater numbers than we're training our own— in greater numbers than we're training our own home grown state,— training our own home grown ctatt, wntcn — training our own home grown staff, which is— training our own home grown staff, which is not fair to etnee— staff, which is not fair to other countries around the went.— other countries around the weett. nat— other countries around the world. but even- other countries around the world. but even more importantly lnet— world. but even more importantly lnet-te— world. but even more importantly lnet-te tenant— , it's not fair to bright teenaten— , it's not fair to bright teenagers britain who could teenagers in britain who could be peemntnt— teenagers in britain who could be promising doctors medics be promising doctors and medics of be promising doctors and medics et tne— be promising doctors and medics et tne tataee— be promising doctors and medics of the future who _ be promising doctors and medics of the future who are being tentet— of the future who are being denied opportunity. me how denied the opportunity. me how macn— denied the opportunity. me how macn teen— denied the opportunity. me how macn teec tt— denied the opportunity. me how much does it cost— denied the opportunity. me how much does it cost to train a tectee— much does it cost to train a tectee tee. — much does it cost to train a doctor for. well,— much does it cost to train a doctor for. well, our package ceen— doctor for. well, our package cectc at— doctor for. well, our package cectc at ete— doctor for. well, our package costs at £1.6 billion in total ,

costs at £1.6 billion in total, wntcn— costs at £1.6 billion in total, which includes— costs at £1.6 billion in total, which includes doubling the namete— which includes doubling the nacnete et— which includes doubling the number of medical school places, mettctne— number of medical school places, mettctne n— number of medical school places, mettctne n an— number of medical school places, medicine is an expensive course. mat-c— medicine is an expensive course. tnat-e wnw— medicine is an expensive course. tnat-e wnw tneee— medicine is an expensive course. that's why there is— medicine is an expensive course. that's why there is a cap on the namete— that's why there is a cap on the nacnete et— that's why there is a cap on the number of medical— that's why there is a cap on the number of medical school places we ten-t— number of medical school places we ten-t tntnt— number of medical school places we don't think that— number of medical school places we don't think that cap goes far eneatn— we don't think that cap goes far eneatn ant— we don't think that cap goes far eneatn ant we— we don't think that cap goes far enough and we use the modelling of enough and we use the modelling et tne— enough and we use the modelling et tne tewat— enough and we use the modelling of the royal college of physicians _ of the royal college of physicians to - of the royal college of physicians to come up with our package.— physicians to come up with our pactate. ant— physicians to come up with our package. and it's— physicians to come up with our package. and it's one that's actaattw— package. and it's one that's actually been— package. and it's one that's actually been welcomed by atenat— actually been welcomed by universal motty_ universal motty vice—chancellors, the universal motty_ vice—chancellors, the deans of anwenttw— vice—chancellors, the deans of university medical schools. just the university medical schools. just tne etne— university medical schools. just tne etnee taw— university medical schools. just the other day i— university medical schools. just the other day i was at canteetaew— the other day i was at canterbury christ church anwenttw— canterbury christ church university down in medway. they tett— university down in medway. they tett me— university down in medway. they tett me tnew-we— university down in medway. they told me they've got the capacity told me they've got the capacity te expant— told me they've got the capacity to expand medical— told me they've got the capacity to expand medical school places, but to expand medical school places, tat tnew-we— to expand medical school places, tat tnew-we net— to expand medical school places, but they've not been given the eppenanttw.— but they've not been given the eppenanttw. t— but they've not been given the opportunity. i was— but they've not been given the opportunity. i was at worcester anwenttw— opportunity. i was at worcester university where _ opportunity. i was at worcester university where they're saying, teen — university where they're saying, teen-teamma— university where they're saying, look, training students look, we're training students teem— look, we're training students from overseas,— look, we're training students from overseas, we can't from overseas, but we can't team— from overseas, but we can't train home—grown train our own home—grown ctatentc—l train our own home—growni students._. has train our own home—grown. students._. has it students. this is crazy. has it teen— students. this is crazy. has it been welcomed— students. this is crazy. has it been welcomed by the bma? tecaae— been welcomed by the bma? teaa t— been welcomed by the bma? because i know— been welcomed by the bma? because i know the- been welcomed by the bma? because i know the unions are worried about training more doctors because it might actually have the effect of suppressing wages . actually have the effect of suppressing wages. i think to be honest, that doctors and nurses and midwives know from working

on understaffed shifts that they need the cavalry to come. they know it takes years— need the cavalry to come. they know it takes years to- they know it takes years to train tecten— know it takes years to train doctors and— know it takes years to train doctors and nurses. that's why it's doctors and nurses. that's why tt-c een— doctors and nurses. that's why it's even more— doctors and nurses. that's why it's even more important to get going— it's even more important to get tetnt new— it's even more important to get tetnt ant— it's even more important to get going now. and similarly, you knew,— going now. and similarly, you know,_talked- going now. and similarly, you know, talked about as know, when i've talked about as tateae— know, when i've talked about as tateae-tetaw- know, when i've talked about as labour-today, the- know, when i've talked about as labour today, the fact labour is doing today, the fact we've-postcode- labour is doing today, the fact we've postcode lottery in we've got a postcode lottery in teneeat—tnat- we've got a postcode lottery in general—that the. general practise and that the atttttw— general practise and that the atttttw et— general practise and that the ability of people to get a gp appetntment— ability of people to get a gp appointment and to get a face to ace— appointment and to get a face to face appointment— appointment and to get a face to face appointment in particular witty—en- face appointment in particular. wildly—on where wildly varies depending on where peepte— wildly varies depending on where peepte-tt-c— wildly varies depending on where peepte-tt-c net— wildly varies depending on where people it's not really the people live. it's not really the taatt— people live. it's not really the taatt et— people live. it's not really the fault of doctors.— people live. it's not really the fault of doctors. it— people live. it's not really the fault of doctors. it is a reflection— fault of doctors. it is a reflection of- fault of doctors. it is a reflection of the fact there are zooo— reflection of the fact there are zeta-et— reflection of the fact there are zooo-et-ant- reflection of the fact there are 2000-of-and thati reflection of the fact there are i 2000-of-and that the 2000 fewer of them and that the eeweenment— 2000 fewer of them and that the government isn't— 2000 fewer of them and that the government isn't-in- government isn't bringing in ma— government isn't bringing in ma ptpettne— government isn't bringing in that pipeline of— government isn't bringing in that pipeline of new doctors to tn ant— that pipeline of new doctors to come in and enter— that pipeline of new doctors to come in and enter the profession as come in and enter the profession ac peepte— come in and enter the profession ac peepte eettee— come in and enter the profession as people retire to.— come in and enter the profession as people retire to. you know, tneee— as people retire to. you know, tneee ae— as people retire to. you know, there are some— as people retire to. you know, there are some appalling stories twe— there are some appalling stories t-we teen— there are some appalling stories i've been hearing— there are some appalling stories i've been hearing from people wne— i've been hearing from people wne-tectnt— i've been hearing from people who-losing gps- i've been hearing from people who losing gps because who are losing gps because mew-ee— who are losing gps because they're retiring— who are losing gps because they're retiring and there are no they're retiring and there are ne ces— they're retiring and there are no gps coming— they're retiring and there are no gps coming in to take over tnete— no gps coming in to take over their practises— no gps coming in to take over their practises so— no gps coming in to take over their practises so we've got to teat— their practises so we've got to teat wttn— their practises so we've got to deal with those— their practises so we've got to deal with those that pipeline of tatent— deal with those that pipeline of tatent .— deal with those that pipeline of tatent . ant— deal with those that pipeline of tatent . ant t— deal with those that pipeline of talent . and i know, but you talent. and i know, but you cant— talent. and i know, but you cant tent— talent. and i know, but you can't long term— talent. and i know, but you can't long term ,- talent. and i know, but you can't long term , you can't do it can't long term, you can't do it wttneat— can't long term, you can't do it without-unions— can't long term, you can't do it without unions side . and without the unions on side. and cencenatwee— without the unions on side. and conservatives you— without the unions on side. and conservatives you told the teteteapn— conservatives you told the telegraph before christmas, i'm not telegraph before christmas, i'm net ateat— telegraph before christmas, i'm net ateatt te— telegraph before christmas, i'm not afraid to tell— telegraph before christmas, i'm not afraid to tell the bma and

etnee— not afraid to tell the bma and other unions. _ not afraid to tell the bma and other unions. no— not afraid to tell the bma and other unions. no ,- not afraid to tell the bma and other unions. \ttit tits" not afraid to tell the bma and other unions. \tit i other unions. no, no. so can we please because the people's panellists have asked this as well, you're the man who hopes to be the next health secretary. what% rise would you give to doctors and nurses? where's well , i'm not going to put a figure on it today in the way that if i were the actual health secretary i wouldn't be negotiating live on air. i would get i would get peepte— on air. i would get i would get peepte aeeant— on air. i would get i would get people around the— ” i would get i would get people around the table because it'slnegotiation._ people around the table because it's negotiation. and fact, people around the table because itwas negotiation. and fact, people around the table because itwas listening)n. and fact, people around the table because itwas listening to and fact, people around the table because itwas listening to andcullen:, i was listening to pat cullen teem— i was listening to pat cullen teem-cettete- i was listening to pat cullen from _college of. from the royal college of wantnt— from the royal college of. nursing—being nursing this morning being tnteewewet— nursing this morning being interviewed when was asked, nursing this morning being intervwhati when was asked, nursing this morning being intervwhati vtthe was asked, nursing this morning being intervwhati vtthe figure as asked, nursing this morning being intervwhati vtthe figure you sked, well, what is the figure you weatt— well, what is the figure you weatt-ene- well, what is the figure you would-on? she's- would settle on? she's not twang— would settle on? she's not twang-ant— would settle on? she's not twang-ant t-m- giving one. and i'm not caepeteet— giving one. and i'm not surprised. a— giving one. and i'm not surprised. a reasonable figure. giving one. and i'm not surpnaturet reasonable figure. giving one. and i'm not surpnature ofzasonable figure. giving one. and i'm not surpnature of negotiation.|ure. giving one. and i'm not surpnature of negotiation. you the nature of negotiation. you go the nature of negotiation. you 90 tn— the nature of negotiation. you 90 tn ant— the nature of negotiation. you go in and negotiate. well the eeacenatte— go in and negotiate. well the reasonable thing— go in and negotiate. well the reasonable thing to do is to sit tewn— reasonable thing to do is to sit tewn ant— reasonable thing to do is to sit down and negotiate and get to a ctee— down and negotiate and get to a ctee petnt— down and negotiate and get to a closer point and— down and negotiate and get to a closer point and that's the appeeacn— closer point and that's the appeeacn t— closer point and that's the approach i will— closer point and that's the approach i will take as health seceetaew— approach i will take as health secretary, because i've asked for secretary, because i've asked tee es— secretary, because i've asked tee es .— secretary, because i've asked tee es . team— secretary, because i've asked for 35 . yeah. and— secretary, because i've asked for 35 . yeah. and i don't mind for 35. yeah. and i don't mind saving— for 35. yeah. and i don't mind eawtnt tnat— for 35. yeah. and i don't mind came an a— for 35. yeah. and i don't mind saying that a 35%_ for 35. yeah. and i don't mind saying that a 35% increase eweenttnt— saying that a 35% increase eweenttnt n— saying that a 35% increase overnight is not something we weatt— overnight is not something we weatt te— overnight is not something we would be able— overnight is not something we would be able to— overnight is not something we would be able to afford. what i

weatt— would be able to afford. what i weatt want— would be able to afford. what i would want to— would be able to afford. what i would want to do— would be able to afford. what i would want to do as the last tateae— would want to do as the last labour government did would be to labour government did would be te tet— labour government did would be te tet tne— labour government did would be to get the economy growing as tee— to get the economy growing as tete staemee— to get the economy growing as keir starmer and— to get the economy growing as keir starmer and rachel reeves has keir starmer and rachel reeves nae cet— keir starmer and rachel reeves nae cet eat— keir starmer and rachel reeves nae cet eat ce— keir starmer and rachel reeves has set out so that— keir starmer and rachel reeves has set out so that we can meet— has set out so that we can tnwect tn— has set out so that we can tnwect tn eae— has set out so that we can invest in our public services ant— invest in our public services ant mate— invest in our public services and make sure— invest in our public services and make sure that people are patt—tatteti paid fairly because i've talked ateat— paid fairly because i've talked ateat-new- paid fairly because i've talked about new people into paid fairly because i've talked abo nhs, new people into paid fairly because i've talked abo nhs, we've new people into paid fairly because i've talked abo nhs, we've also people into paid fairly because i've talked abo nhs, we've also gottple into paid fairly because i've talked abo nhs, we've also got toe into the nhs, we've also got to eetatn— the nhs, we've also got to retain - people - the nhs, we've also got to retain people have and retain the people we have and tnceeaetnttw— retain the people we have and increasingly see— retain the people we have and increasingly see our pay rates increasingly see our pay rates tn tne— increasingly see our pay rates tn tne ans— increasingly see our pay rates in the nhs and— increasingly see our pay rates in the nhs and in social care at tttteeent— in the nhs and in social care at different bands,— in the nhs and in social care at different bands, different tewen— different bands, different levels are— different bands, different levels are not- different bands, different levels are not competitive with the levels are not competitive with tne wttee— levels are not competitive with the wider world, _ levels are not competitive with the wider world, including the petwate— the wider world, including the private sector. _ the wider world, including the private sector. so— the wider world, including the private sector. so we see people watttnt— private sector. so we see people watttnt eat— private sector. so we see people watttnt eat et— private sector. so we see people walking out of nhs into retail tecae— walking out of nhs into retail because they're— walking out of nhs into retail because they're paying better . because they're paying better. wett— because they're paying better. wet wea— because they're paying better. well you won't— because they're paying better. well you won't give me a state— well you won't give me a straight answer on the peecentate— straight answer on the percentage rise you'd like to teetaps— percentage rise you'd like to see. perhaps you- percentage rise you'd like to see. g percentage rise you'd like to- see. perhaps you could give me a straight answer on this one. did keir starmer personally sign off those attack ads that have done in perhaps damage to your in perhaps some damage to your party? i don't know at what point he was involved in the sign off process, but i know that keir fully supports him. he's absolutely robust in he's been absolutely robust in cawtnt— he's been absolutely robust in eawtnt-we— he's been absolutely robust in eawtnt-we ae— he's been absolutely robust in saying we are going to go saying that we are going to go atte— saying that we are going to go attee tne— saying that we are going to go after the prime— saying that we are going to go after the prime minister for his eceet— after the prime minister for his eceet et— after the prime minister for his record of failure.— after the prime minister for his record of failure. we've done it on crime. we've done it on the

eceemw— on crime. we've done it on the eceemw tnn— on crime. we've done it on the economy this week— on crime. we've done it on the economy this week and in the cemtnt— economy this week and in the cemtnt ween— economy this week and in the coming week, we're going to do it coming week, we're going to do tt atatn— coming week, we're going to do tt atatnltne— coming week, we're going to do it again-the nhs.— coming week, we're going to do it again-the nhs. i- coming week, we're going to do it again the nhs. i think the it again on the nhs. i think the conservatives— it again on the nhs. i think the conservatives record of failure is conservatives record of failure. n—anwene is utterly appalling and anyone wne— is utterly appalling and anyone wne teete— is utterly appalling and anyone who looks-those— is utterly appalling and anyone who looks those ads and feels who looks at those ads and feels ettentet— who looks at those ads and feels ettentet en— who looks at those ads and feels offended on rishi— who looks at those ads and feels offended on rishi behalf offended on rishi sunak behalf eneatt— offended on rishi sunak behalf should-offended— offended on rishi sunak behalf should offended on behalf of should be offended on behalf of wcttme— should be offended on behalf of victims-crime— should be offended on behalf of victims crime who's, you victims of crime who's, you knew,— victims of crime who's, you tnewltne — victims of crime who's, you know,.the case- victims of crime who's, you know, the case in rape cases know, in the case in rape cases , know, in the case in rape cases leapnn— know, in the case in rape cases leapnte ten-t— know, in the case in rape cases ,-rapists don't-see- know, in the case in rape cases , rapists don't see the , the rapists don't even see the mate— , the rapists don't even see the tncttela— , the rapists don't even see the inside-a courtroom,- , the rapists don't even see the inside a courtroom, alone inside of a courtroom, let alone a-cett— inside of a courtroom, let alone a-cett .— inside of a courtroom, let alone a-cett . t— inside of a courtroom, let alone a-cell. i think- inside of a courtroom, let alone a-cell. i think the- inside of a courtroom, let alone a cell. i think the prime a prison cell. i think the prime tttnntee— a prison cell. i think the prime tttnntee-te— a prison cell. i think the prime minister-be-hang| a prison cell. i think the prime. minister- be - hang on a prison cell. i think the prime. mminute-be - hang on a prison cell. i think the prime mminute here. be hang on a prison cell. i think the prime mminute here. e�*g hang on a prison cell. i think the prime mminute here. e�*g tit"hang on a prison cell. i think the prime mminute here. e�*g e�*ing on a prison cell. i think the prime mminute here. e�*g a minute here. hang on a minute. first of all, there's some polling in the observer today to suggest that labour voters don't quite these attack ads and quite like these attack ads and don't they've worked. don't think that they've worked. second starmer has second of all, starmer has got some hasn't he? he some brass neck, hasn't he? he was the dpp in when emily was the dpp in 2012 when emily thornberry complained about the fact that he had weakened rape prosecutions guidelines. he's then on the sentencing council, which agreed that all should not be put in prison. so why on earth is keir starmer in a position to lecture anyone on being tough on and rapists ? being tough on and rapists? well, i think to be fair to keir

stamen— well, i think to be fair to keir staemee, ne— well, i think to be fair to keir starmer, he had— well, i think to be fair to keir starmer, he had a proud record as starmer, he had a proud record an tne— starmer, he had a proud record an tne atte— starmer, he had a proud record as the nato nation's leading peececatee— as the nato nation's leading peeeecatee et— as the nato nation's leading prosecutor of trying to improve the prosecutions— prosecutor of trying to improve the prosecutions of people who are committing— the prosecutions of people who are committing violence against ant eten.— are committing violence against women and girls. that was a peteettw— women and girls. that was a peteettw tnat— women and girls. that was a priority that he— women and girls. that was a priority that he set as director of priority that he set as director et tatttc— priority that he set as director of public prosecutions . but of of public prosecutions. but of course, whether— of public prosecutions. but of course, whether we're talking ateat— course, whether we're talking about prosecute— course, whether we're talking about prosecute or indeed judge, did about prosecute or indeed judge, ttt tmttw— about prosecute or indeed judge, did emily thornberry complain ateat— did emily thornberry complain ateatltnene— did emily thornberry complain about then? wider criminal about it then? wider criminal tacttce— about it then? wider criminal raettce ewetem— about it then? wider criminal justice system ?_ about it then? wider criminal justice system ? well. cg justice system? well. emily ttemteeew— justice system? well. emily thornberry complaining about it, but well , she sent a letter but well, she sent a letter accusing the dpp who was sir keir starmer , not being keir starmer, not being difficult, but genuinely where's we've got this. okay so, emily. okay, let me let me explain it then. it's really simple. emily thornberry wrote to the dpp , who thornberry wrote to the dpp, who is keir starmer in 2012 and said, you're weakening rape prosecution guidelines. stop doing it . so prosecution guidelines. stop doing it. so he wasn't strengthening rape prosecutions. he was weakening them. he was on the sentencing council , which the sentencing council, which agreed that not all should be jailed . so he weakened the jailed. so he weakened the sentencing of. so what on earth

is he doing signing off attack ads? it's hypocritical, isn't it 7 ads? it's hypocritical, isn't it ? no i think what keir starmer is rightly doing is accepting that as politicians , as that as politicians, as parliament and government has a responsibility for making sure we've got an effective criminal justice system that makes that is on the side of victims and bfings is on the side of victims and brings perpetrators to justice and after 13 years of failure to it is an abysmal failure that where i think 1% of rape cases are prosecuted. that means if you— are prosecuted. that means if wea ae— are prosecuted. that means if wea a— are prosecuted. that means if you a eapnt— are prosecuted. that means if you are a rapist in— are prosecuted. that means if you are a rapist in this- you are a rapist in this ceantew— you are a rapist in this countrye vou- you are a rapist in this country, you are not even seeing the country, you are not even seeing tne tnette— country, you are not even seeing tne tnctte et— country, you are not even seeing the inside of a— country, you are not even seeing the inside of a courtroom, let atene— the inside of a courtroom, let atene tne— the inside of a courtroom, let alone the inside— the inside of a courtroom, let alone the inside of a prison cett. — alone the inside of a prison cett. ant— alone the inside of a prison cett. ant t— alone the inside of a prison cell. and i don't— alone the inside of a prison cell. and i don't think it's all nent— cell. and i don't think it's all ettnt tatttnt— cell. and i don't think it's all right talking about victims, be eetact— right talking about victims, be eetact tn— right talking about victims, be robust in challenging the government— robust in challenging the government ,— robust in challenging the government , talking about government, talking about wcttmc— government, talking about wcttme. — government, talking about victims. finally,- government, talking about victims . ”ti cc victims. finally, where's will labour apologise for introducing smart motorways in 2006 . on on smart motorways in 2006. on on smart motorways ? you've got to smart motorways? you've got to tettew— smart motorways? you've got to tettew tne— smart motorways? you've got to follow the evidence— , you've got to follow the evidence ultimately ant—

follow the evidence ultimately ant mate— follow the evidence ultimately and make sure— follow the evidence ultimately and make sure that we've got a system— and make sure that we've got a system tnat— and make sure that we've got a system that works— and make sure that we've got a system that works in the tnteeecte— system that works in the interests of _ system that works in the interests of the safety of the teawetttnt— interests of the safety of the travelling public and passengers. was it a mistake ? passengers. was it a mistake? vea— passengers. was it a mistake? tea knew,— passengers. was it a mistake? tea tnew, t— passengers. was it a mistake? you know, i think— passengers. was it a mistake? you know, i think we've been peeeetnt— you know, i think we've been peeeetnt tne— you know, i think we've been pressing the government on the on pressing the government on the en tne— pressing the government on the en tne eman— pressing the government on the on the smart, we've been peeeetnt— on the smart, we've been peeeetnt tne— on the smart, we've been pressing the government on this. so pressing the government on this. se-tnat— pressing the government on this. se-tnat tne— pressing the government on this. so that the government so i'm glad that the government ceemclnawe— so i'm glad that the government ceemcawealn-- seems to have reached a cencatcten— seems to have reached a conclusion-it.- seems to have reached a conclusion-it. - seems to have reached a conclusion it. ” g seems to have reached a- conclusion.it. all right, wes conclusion on it. all right, wes streeting thank you very much indeed for joining streeting thank you very much indeed forjoining me this indeed for joining me this morning. lots more to come on today's show , including tory today's show, including tory chairman talking chairman greg hands talking about the party's hopes at the next local elections, which are fast approaching . rocco fast approaching. and rocco forte, chain owner and forte, the hotel chain owner and man who gave a £100,000 to the tories at the last election , may tories at the last election, may be telling me that he's not giving dosh. do giving them any more dosh. do not anywhere. you very .

soon away . away. aukus . welcome back to the aukus. welcome back to the camilla tominey show. so i'm having quite a lot of fun this morning. if you enjoyed my wes streeting interview, you're going absolutely love my going to absolutely love my interview party interview with tory party chairman hands, is chairman greg hands, which is coming in just a moment. i'm coming up in just a moment. i'm also going to be speaking to rocco forte, who's the hotel chain gave grand chain owner who gave 100 grand to tories at the last to the tories at the last election i think now election and i think is now starting regret i'll ask

starting to regret it. i'll ask him and after all that, him why and after all that, we're also going to be speaking to the to robert jobson, the royal author, about his new book about the first of all, the king. but first of all, here's headlines with here's the news headlines with arron armstrong . very good arron armstrong. very good morning to you. it's minute past ten.— morning to you. it's minute past ten. in— morning to you. it's minute past ten. t-m amen— morning to you. it's minute past ten. i'm arron armstrong- g it's minute past ten. i'm arron armstrong in the gb ten. i'm arron armstrong in the ct weweeem— ten. i'm arron armstrong in the gb newsroom new smart motorways are gb newsroom new smart motorways tent— gb newsroom new smart motorways tent tannet— gb newsroom new smart motorways are being banned with the prime tttnntee— are being banned with the prime minister acknowledging concerns catetw— minister acknowledging concerns catetw ant— minister acknowledging concerns over safety and cost for 18 ptannet— over safety and cost for 18 planned projects will no longer go planned projects will no longer 90 ateat.— planned projects will no longer te aneat. ant— planned projects will no longer go ahead. and existing stretches will go ahead. and existing stretches wttt te— go ahead. and existing stretches wttt te mate— go ahead. and existing stretches will be made safer. campaigners are will be made safer. campaigners wetcemtnt— will be made safer. campaigners are welcoming the— will be made safer. campaigners are welcoming the move, but are temanttnt— are welcoming the move, but are temanttnt tne— are welcoming the move, but are demanding the return of hard eneatten— demanding the return of hard shoulders to— demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart meteewawc. — shoulders to existing smart motorways. the— shoulders to existing smart motorways. the roads make up aeeant— motorways. the roads make up aeeant ton— motorways. the roads make up around 10% of— motorways. the roads make up around 10% of england's motorway netweet— around 10% of england's motorway netweet etc— around 10% of england's motorway network erg animal rights acttwnn— network erg animal rights activists are _ network erg animal rights activists are calling forjump activists are calling for jump eactnt— activists are calling for jump eactnt te— activists are calling for jump eactnt te te— activists are calling for jump racing to be banned after three nene— racing to be banned after three nene ttet— racing to be banned after three horses died at— racing to be banned after three horses died at the— racing to be banned after three horses died at the grand wattenat— horses died at the grand national festival. 118 protests were arrested _ national festival. 118 protests were arrested for— national festival. 118 protests were arrested for disrupting the event— were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday _ were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday ,— were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday , with some event yesterday, with some manattnt— event yesterday, with some manattnt te— event yesterday, with some managing to cross the track etttnttw— managing to cross the track slightly, delaying the start of the slightly, delaying the start of tne ace— slightly, delaying the start of the race. animal— slightly, delaying the start of the race. animal rising wants to

see more stringent— the race. animal rising wants to see more stringent safety measures and— see more stringent safety measures and has warned further actten— measures and has warned further actten wtt— measures and has warned further actten wttt te— measures and has warned further action will be taken over the summer to prevent what it teccettec— summer to prevent what it describes batus as the brutal neeeen— describes batus as the brutal horrors seen at— describes batus as the brutal horrors seen at aintree. etttctan— horrors seen at aintree. officials though, have criticised _ officials though, have criticised the group as reckless . tateae— criticised the group as reckless . tateae n— criticised the group as reckless . labour is promising to double the . labour is promising to double tne namete— . labour is promising to double the number of— . labour is promising to double the number of doctors trained even— the number of doctors trained every weae— the number of doctors trained every year te— the number of doctors trained every year to 15,000. the party can— every year to 15,000. the party says appointments— every year to 15,000. the party says appointments are currently a peetcete— says appointments are currently a postcode lottery, with up to tneee— a postcode lottery, with up to tneee ant— a postcode lottery, with up to three and four— a postcode lottery, with up to three and four patients in some panc— three and four patients in some pane et— three and four patients in some pane et tnttant— three and four patients in some parts of england unable to see tnete— parts of england unable to see me an — parts of england unable to see me en et— parts of england unable to see their gp. of choice. labour has ane— their gp. of choice. labour has ane ptettet— their gp. of choice. labour has also pledged to— their gp. of choice. labour has also pledged to guarantee face to also pledged to guarantee face te tace— also pledged to guarantee face to face appointments for patente— to face appointments for patients who _ to face appointments for patients who want them. if it wtnc— patients who want them. if it tne— patients who want them. if it wins the next— patients who want them. if it wins the next general election . wins the next general election. at tent— wins the next general election. at teact se— wins the next general election. at least 56 people have been ttttet— at least 56 people have been ttttet ant— at least 56 people have been killed and almost 600 injured atte— killed and almost 600 injured attee neaw— killed and almost 600 injured after heavy fighting between satan-c— after heavy fighting between satan-c aemw— after heavy fighting between sudan's army and paramilitar teecec. — sudan's army and paramilitar forces. battles— sudan's army and paramilitar forces. battles continued eweenttnt— forces. battles continued overnight in— forces. battles continued overnight in khartoum as rival eece— overnight in khartoum as rival tece wet— overnight in khartoum as rival forces vied for— overnight in khartoum as rival forces vied for control of event— forces vied for control of several key _ forces vied for control of several key sites with both cttee— several key sites with both sides claiming _ several key sites with both sides claiming control of the atepen. — sides claiming control of the airport. president palace, state tv airport. president palace, state tv ant— airport. president palace, state tv ant aemw— airport. president palace, state tv and army headquarters. as satan-c— tv and army headquarters. as satan-c ate— tv and army headquarters. as sudan's air force— tv and army headquarters. as sudan's air force launched atntettec— sudan's air force launched airstrikes on— sudan's air force launched airstrikes on a— sudan's air force launched airstrikes on a paramilitary pace— airstrikes on a paramilitary

base near the— airstrikes on a paramilitary base near the capital in a bid to base near the capital in a bid te eeacet— base near the capital in a bid to reassert control— base near the capital in a bid to reassert control over the ceantew. — to reassert control over the country. tensions have escalated cevtt— country. tensions have escalated covtt tneee— country. tensions have escalated covm there as— country. tensions have escalated covid there as political tacttenc— covid there as political factions negotiate over a peepeeet— factions negotiate over a proposed transition to civilian eate— proposed transition to civilian rule following— proposed transition to civilian rule following a— proposed transition to civilian rule following a military coup in rule following a military coup tn zozt. — rule following a military coup in 2021. scores— rule following a military coup in 2021. scores of— rule following a military coup in 2021. scores of military penennet— in 2021. scores of military personnel and— in 2021. scores of military personnel and militia have also teen— personnel and militia have also teen ttttet— personnel and militia have also teen ttttet .— personnel and militia have also been killed . james cleverly will been killed. james cleverly will use been killed. james cleverly will tne— been killed. james cleverly will tne ct— been killed. james cleverly will use the g7 foreign— been killed. james cleverly will use the g7 foreign meeting teeettn— use the g7 foreign meeting foreign ministers meeting in japan— foreign ministers meeting in rapan te— foreign ministers meeting in tapan te tecae— foreign ministers meeting in japan to focus on promoting a tee— japan to focus on promoting a teee ant— japan to focus on promoting a teee ant epen— japan to focus on promoting a free and open indo—pacific. the teen— free and open indo—pacific. the foreign secretary— free and open indo—pacific. the foreign secretary called the eetten— foreign secretary called the region critical— foreign secretary called the region critical to the uk's economy, security and values. tne— economy, security and values. me at— economy, security and values. the uk recently— economy, security and values. the uk recently joined a major nte— the uk recently joined a major tnte tactttc— the uk recently joined a major indo pacific trade— the uk recently joined a major indo pacific trade bloc, its magent— indo pacific trade bloc, its biggest trade _ indo pacific trade bloc, its biggest trade deal since leaving the biggest trade deal since leaving tne ta— biggest trade deal since leaving tne ta .— biggest trade deal since leaving tne ta . tne— biggest trade deal since leaving the eu . the meeting in japan is the eu. the meeting in japan is ane— the eu. the meeting in japan is ane expectet— the eu. the meeting in japan is also expected to— the eu. the meeting in japan is also expected to focus on cappen— also expected to focus on cappen tee— also expected to focus on support for ukraine and closer cecaettw— support for ukraine and closer cecaettw ant— support for ukraine and closer security and defence ties to ceate— security and defence ties to counter china— security and defence ties to counter china .— security and defence ties to counter china . thousands of counter china. thousands of aemet— counter china. thousands of armed forces,— counter china. thousands of armed forces, veterans and nhs weeent— armed forces, veterans and nhs weeent wtt— armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get— armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get to _ armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get to watch the ceeaten — workers will get to watch the coronation in— workers will get to watch the coronation in front of buckingham palace. they will get a spectat— buckingham palace. they will get a epectat wew— buckingham palace. they will get a special view of— buckingham palace. they will get a special view of key moments on the a special view of key moments on tne etn— a special view of key moments on tne etn et— a special view of key moments on tne etn et nay,— a special view of key moments on the 6th of may, including the peececctenc— the 6th of may, including the processions, the _ the 6th of may, including the processions, the appearance of

the processions, the appearance of tne tewat— processions, the appearance of the royal family— processions, the appearance of the royal family on the famous tatcenw— the royal family on the famous tatcenw ant— the royal family on the famous balcony ant a— the royal family on the famous balcony and a fly—past by the aemet— balcony and a fly—past by the armed forces.— balcony and a fly—past by the armed forces. 3800 seats will be awattatte— armed forces. 3800 seats will be awattatte tn— armed forces. 3800 seats will be awattatte tn a— armed forces. 3800 seats will be available in a grandstand at the eaeen— available in a grandstand at the queen victoria— available in a grandstand at the queen victoria memorial for patttc— queen victoria memorial for public servants— queen victoria memorial for public servants as a mark of the natten-c— public servants as a mark of the nation's profound— public servants as a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . tv nation's profound gratitude. tv enttne— nation's profound gratitude. tv enttne ttt— nation's profound gratitude. tv online dab radio— nation's profound gratitude. tv online dab radio and on tune tnte— online dab radio and on tune tnte tnn— online dab radio and on tune tnte tnn n— online dab radio and on tune into this is gb— online dab radio and on tune into this is gb news. but now tt-c— into this is gb news. but now tt-c tact— into this is gb news. but now tt-c tact te— into this is gb news. but now tt-c tact te .— it's back to. camilla iweceme- it's back to. camilla iwelcome back- it's back to. camilla welcome back to the camilla it's back to. camilla welcome back lovely camilla it's back to. camilla welcome back lovely ca have tominey show it's lovely to have your morning. now your company this morning. now in just moment, i'm going to in just a moment, i'm going to be interviewing chairman in just a moment, i'm going to be in hands. ng chairman in just a moment, i'm going to be in hands. ng going man in just a moment, i'm going to be in hands. ng going me be greg hands. you're going to be watching i did it this watching that. i did it this morning. some morning. he says some very interesting things about the local going interesting things about the lo

sorry, it's this month, isn't it 7 sorry, it's this month, isn't it ? we're in may, this month's local two local elections with two experts, right and experts, both on the right and the i'm going to be the left. and i'm going to be discussing biography of discussing a new biography of king charles iii, with its author, robert jobson. now as i said, the local elections now are approaching imminently there on the 4th of may. so what less than three weeks ago, away . and than three weeks ago, away. and so far, the conservative party's campaign has been relatively low key . the campaign has been relatively low key. the media weren't campaign has been relatively low key . the media weren't even key. the media weren't even ianed key. the media weren't even invited to the party's launch eventin invited to the party's launch event in wolverhampton last month, which was a bit odd. the tory chairman , greg hands, tory party chairman, greg hands, who's the mp for chelsea in fulham, the man in charge of fulham, is the man in charge of campaigning party. and campaigning for the party. and as , we did a little as i said, we did speak a little earlier before i came on air and i started off by asking him about government's plan to about the government's plan to scrap smarter scrap the building of smarter motorways. well, scrap the building of smarter motorways . well, it's been right motorways. well, it's been right to motorways. well, it's been right te nave— motorways. well, it's been right te nave a— motorways. well, it's been right to have a look— motorways. well, it's been right to have a look at— motorways. well, it's been right to have a look at the— well, it's been right to have a look at the evidence. veaee— to have a look at the evidence. veaee nett— to have a look at the evidence. you're right. there's— to have a look at the evidence. you're right. there's been- to have a look at the evidence. you're right. there's been a- to have a look at the evidence. you're right. there's been a lot of public and that is of public concern and that is why the decision to why we've taken the decision to stop new smart motorways . stop new smart motorways. that's the right thing. the government's— that's the right thing. the government's dragged their feet on it. i mean, there's been considerable by considerable concerns raised by the on the

the likes of us on the telegraph, lots of investigations as anybody with any motoring experience thinks it's ludicrous to remove a hard shoulder from motorway . so why shoulder from a motorway. so why has taken this long? well, i has it taken this long? well, i think it's been right- has it taken this long? well, i think it's been right for- c i 3“ well, i think it's been right for us to, as think it's been right for us to, an t— think it's been right for us to, an t caa— think it's been right for us to, ae t save teet— think it's been right for us to, as i say, look at— think it's been right for us to, as i say, look at the evidence to as i say, look at the evidence te ceme— as i say, look at the evidence to come about— as i say, look at the evidence to come about it— as i say, look at the evidence to come about it with. bear in mtnt— to come about it with. bear in mtnt att— to come about it with. bear in mtnt att tne— to come about it with. bear in mind all the factors that are tnwewet— mind all the factors that are involved and— mind all the factors that are involved and that's why we've taten— involved and that's why we've taken tne— involved and that's why we've taken the decision as a result of taken the decision as a result et tne— taken the decision as a result of the _concern- taken the decision as a result of the _concern to - taken the decision as a result of the concern to cease of the public concern to cease eman— of the public concern to cease new smart motorways. that's what i new smart motorways. that's what t tttnt— new smart motorways. that's what i think is the right decision. but then also the but shouldn't then also the eman— but shouldn't then also the smart motorways that have also ateeatw— smart motorways that have also ateeatw-tattt— smart motorways that have also already-built be- smart motorways that have also already built be changed already been built be changed tecae— already been built be changed because obviously they're not cate. — because obviously they're not cate. wew— because obviously they're not cate. new, tt— because obviously they're not safe. now, if rishi sunak taken tnn— safe. now, if rishi sunak taken tnn-ne— safe. now, if rishi sunak taken tnn-ne mant- safe. now, if rishi sunak taken this-he must be- safe. now, if rishi sunak taken this he must be saying this decision, he must be saying tnat— this decision, he must be saying we tne— this decision, he must be saying we tne enen— this decision, he must be saying that the ones that— this decision, he must be saying that the ones that are already in that the ones that are already tn exnencet— that the ones that are already in existence should be scrapped. no in existence should be scrapped. we t— in existence should be scrapped. we t tntnt— in existence should be scrapped. no i think we're— in existence should be scrapped. no i think we're going to have etweacw— no i think we're going to have etweaetw keep— no i think we're going to have obviously keep watching the cttaatten— obviously keep watching the situation and— obviously keep watching the situation and looking at that . situation and looking at that. tat— situation and looking at that. tat tteee— situation and looking at that. tat tteee ae— situation and looking at that. but there are no— situation and looking at that. but there are no plans- situation and looking at that. but there are no plans to- situation and looking at that. but there are no plans to scrap the existing ones. this is a this is actually a decision to stop there being new smart motorways at the moment. but if new ones aren't safe , why are new ones aren't safe, why are old ones safe ? well, that is old ones safe? well, that is obviously the situation that we

will keep watching and we will be constantly vigilant here on behalf of the public. we totally understand the public concern about that . that is why that about that. that is why that we've stopped a new smart motorways. but i'm i'm saying that we will keep watching the situation with the existing ones. but if i was a driver, wntcn— ones. but if i was a driver, wntcn t— ones. but if i was a driver, wntcn t am— ones. but if i was a driver, which i am, i'd— ones. but if i was a driver, which i am, i'd be- but if i was a driver, which i am, i'd be worried. now tecae— which i am, i'd be worried. now because-sunak— which i am, i'd be worried. now because sunak doesn't because rishi sunak doesn't tntnt— because rishi sunak doesn't mtnt-cate— because rishi sunak doesn't think-safe to— because rishi sunak doesn't think safe to proceed with think it's safe to proceed with eman— think it's safe to proceed with new smart motorways. so i'm tneeeteee— new smart motorways. so i'm therefore going— new smart motorways. so i'm therefore going to be worried ateat— therefore going to be worried about driving— therefore going to be worried about driving on— therefore going to be worried about driving on smart motorways that about driving on smart motorways tnat ateeatw— about driving on smart motorways that already exist— about driving on smart motorways that already exist .— about driving on smart motorways that already exist . well, that that already exist. well, that weatt— that already exist. well, that weattla— that already exist. well, that would-a fair— that already exist. well, that would a fair assumption to would be a fair assumption to assume .they're- would be a fair assumption to assume they're unsafe. assume that they're unsafe. no, i assume that they're unsafe. no, t-tt-c— assume that they're unsafe. no, t-tt-c a— assume that they're unsafe. no, i-it's a difference- i think it's a difference between— i think it's a difference between a— i think it's a difference between a new proposal roads and meteewawc— between a new proposal roads and meteewawc tnat— between a new proposal roads and motorways that are— between a new proposal roads and motorways that are already there in motorways that are already there tn ptace — motorways that are already there tn ptace ant— motorways that are already there in place and operating . in place and operating. but as twe— in place and operating. but as t-we tatt— in place and operating. but as t-we satt. we— in place and operating. but as i've said, we will— in place and operating. but as i've said, we will keep people have haven't they? we will have died, haven't they? we will keep situation. we keep watching the situation. we totally understand the concern keep watching the situation. we tota theinderstand the concern keep watching the situation. we tota the rightlyind the concern keep watching the situation. we tota the rightly it'sthe concern keep watching the situation. we tota the rightly it's quitetncern and the rightly it's quite right. the government puts pubuc right. the government puts public safety first above anything else . that is why we anything else. that is why we stopped doing a new smart motorway as a result of that concern. as a result of public safety fears. okay, let's move on safety fears. okay, let's move en te— safety fears. okay, let's move en te tne— safety fears. okay, let's move on to the local— "ce“; okay, let's move on to the local elections. why nave — on to the local elections. why nave tne — on to the local elections. why have the conservatives been

tatte— have the conservatives been crate-ateat— have the conservatives been quite about local quite shy about their local etectten— quite shy about their local election launch? no media were tnwttet— election launch? no media were tnwtet. tt-c— election launch? no media were invited. it's all— election launch? no media were invited. it's all been a little bit invited. it's all been a little ttt nann— invited. it's all been a little bit hush hush.— invited. it's all been a little bit hush hush. are you worried ateat— bit hush hush. are you worried ateat tnece— bit hush hush. are you worried about these local— bit hush hush. are you worried about these local elections ? about these local elections? thev're — about these local elections? they're net— about these local elections? they're not looking too good. wewe— they're not looking too good. tee-we teen— they're not looking too good. we've been anything- they're not looking too good. we've been anything but- they're not looking too good. we've been anything but shy, camilla. we've been up and down the country. the media were tnwtet— the country. the media were tnwtet te— the country. the media were invited to the— ti.t:it. the media were invited to the wolverhampton taancn — invited to the wolverhampton launch-march— invited to the wolverhampton launch march 24th. okay. launch on march the 24th. okay. but launch on march the 24th. okay. tat weeteetaw— launch on march the 24th. okay. but yesterday, rishi sunak rishi sanat— but yesterday, rishi sunak rishi sanat nac— but yesterday, rishi sunak rishi sunak has been— but yesterday, rishi sunak rishi sunak has been up and down the ceante— sunak has been up and down the ceantew ee— sunak has been up and down the country over the— sunak has been up and down the country over the weekend. ti country over the weekend. he's teen— country over the weekend. he's teen tn— country over the weekend. he's been in lancashire_ country over the weekend. he's been in lancashire in particular. i've been up and down the i've been down the country. i've been across the country as conservative party chairman campaigning for ramsgate to hartlepool from accrington down to in hertfordshire, to worcester in hertfordshire, in surrey , in teesside, in in surrey, in teesside, in lancashire , high peak in lancashire, high peak in derbyshire. how's it going? of our brilliant councillors and council candidates, how's it going ? well, it's going to be a going? well, it's going to be a difficult set of elections, obviously it's the biggest set of elections in the four year cycle of local elections . these cycle of local elections. these seats were last fought . in 2019 seats were last fought. in 2019 when it was a different political situation. jeremy

corbyn was the leader of the labour party. labour did particularly badly that year, so labour need to show a lot of progress. if they're going to seriously say to the general election next year that they've made progress and are ready for government, which i don't believe that they are. so there's talk of the tories losing a thousand seats. there are 8000 up for grabs- g there are 8000 up for grabs across 230 ceanctt— are 8000 up for grabs across 230 ceanctt aeea— are 8000 up for grabs across 230 council areas . a— are 8000 up for grabs across 230 council areas . a thousand seats council areas. a thousand seats weatt— council areas. a thousand seats weatt te— council areas. a thousand seats would be disaster— council areas. a thousand seats would be disaster ,— council areas. a thousand seats would be disaster , wouldn't it? would be disaster, wouldn't it? wet.— would be disaster, wouldn't it? wet. ttat-s— would be disaster, wouldn't it? well, that's what— would be disaster, wouldn't it? well, that's what the— well, that's what the independent academic experts are saying . but i know that our saying. but i know that our councillors and our council candidates are fighting amazingly hard. as i say , i've amazingly hard. as i say, i've been into a lot of these councils . i've been in cheadle, councils. i've been in cheadle, which is part of stockport. i've been peak. i've been been a high peak. i've been hyndburn, i've been in hartlepool hall, i've been in darlington , i've been in darlington, i've been in elmbridge , i've been in thanet, elmbridge, i've been in thanet, i've been in hearts me. i've been up and down the country. so candidates are fighting really hard. you've clocked your hard. you've clocked up your road so to speak. not sure road mile so to speak. not sure what road mile so to speak. not sure we meteewawc— road mile so to speak. not sure what motorways you've- : not sure what motorways you've travelled on, what motorways you've travelled tat— what motorways you've travelled tat wee— what motorways you've travelled on, but we've already covered tnat— on, but we've already covered mat—wea- on, but we've already covered tnat—wea ttt- that topic. nick, you did a ptece— that topic. nick, you did a ptece wttn— that topic. nick, you did a piece with tony- that topic. nick, you did a piece with tony diver, my

teteteapn— piece with tony diver, my- teteteapn—peepte telegraph colleague, and people on the doorstep keep on menttentnt— on the doorstep keep on mentioning so is mentioning boris johnson. so is he mentioning boris johnson. so is neletecteeat— mentioning boris johnson. so is he.electoral asset- mentioning boris johnson. so is he electoral asset for the he an electoral asset for the conservatives— he an electoral asset for the conservatives or.— he an electoral asset for the conservatives or. well, look, i'd conservatives or. well, look, at te— conservatives or. well, look, at te tewe— conservatives or. well, look, i'd to love have— conservatives or. well, look, i'd to love have be working . i'd to love have be working. teen— i'd to love have be working. teen n— i'd to love have be working. teen n wen— i'd to love have be working. boris is very much- i'd to love have be working. boris is very much part- i'd to love have be working. boris is very much part of the conservative party, but he's been on the campaign or is he going on the campaign? going to go on the campaign? are you going to weaponize boris ceme-teneeat— are you going to weaponize boris come general election, do come the general election, do you— come the general election, doi yea—we-tt you think? well, i think we'll have wait and see. but boris you think? well, i think we'll healwaysiait and see. but boris you think? well, i think we'll he always welcomeee. but boris you think? well, i think we'll he always welcome to but boris you think? well, i think we'll he always welcome to bet boris you think? well, i think we'll healways welcome to be out ris is always welcome to be out campaigning us a party. campaigning for us as a party. but what discovered in the but what i discovered in the last few weeks, campaigning in the local elections is a real enthusiasm for what rishi sunak is doing right and a respect for the way that he is conducted himself as prime minister, getting on with the job, delivering the five priorities of halving inflation and restoring growth , reducing debt restoring growth, reducing debt , cutting hospital waiting lists and stopping the boats. how's that going? hang on. i get that. ant— that going? hang on. i get that. ant t— that going? hang on. i get that. ant t tntnt— that going? hang on. i get that. and i think it's— that going? hang on. i get that. and i think it's all— git n3?” hang on. i get that. and i think it's all about tnetant— and i think it's all about instant deliverables , isn't it? instant deliverables, isn't it? nawnt— instant deliverables, isn't it? nawnt catt— instant deliverables, isn't it? having said that, you know, etepptnt— having said that, you know, etepptnt tne— having said that, you know, stopping the boats, we haven't nat— stopping the boats, we haven't nat ene— stopping the boats, we haven't had one migrant— stopping the boats, we haven't had one migrant deported to twanta— had one migrant deported to twanta wet. — had one migrant deported to twanta wet. t— had one migrant deported to rwanda yet. i imagine the boats and

rwanda yet. i imagine the boats ant tne— rwanda yet. i imagine the boats and the migration— rwanda yet. i imagine the boats and the migration issue is cemtnt— and the migration issue is cemtnt ap— and the migration issue is coming up time after time on the teentep. — coming up time after time on the teentep. saeetw— coming up time after time on the doorstep. surely the voters are canne— doorstep. surely the voters are eawtnt, wett— doorstep. surely the voters are saying, well, the— doorstep. surely the voters are saying, well, the conservatives nac— saying, well, the conservatives nae nat— saying, well, the conservatives nae nat n— saying, well, the conservatives has had 13 years— saying, well, the conservatives has had 13 years and you haven't cteppet— has had 13 years and you haven't eteppet tne— has had 13 years and you haven't stopped the boats. _ has had 13 years and you haven't stopped the boats. when are you going— stopped the boats. when are you tetnt te— stopped the boats. when are you tetnt te step— stopped the boats. when are you tetnt te etep tne— stopped the boats. when are you going to stop the boats? could you— going to stop the boats? could yea-teatime- going to stop the boats? couldi you-deadline.that? going to stop the boats? could. you-deadline.that? you give us a deadline on that? rm— you give us a deadline on that? rm-m— you give us a deadline on that? u-m-to give— you give us a deadline on that? u-m-to give you- i'm not going to give you a deadline, working deadline, but we're working incredibly boats incredibly hard on the boats legislation, the that will legislation, the laws that will enable us to take tougher action on are going through parliament at the moment. on are going through parliament at the moment . we've done deals, at the moment. we've done deals, very pragmatic deals with friends allies like france, friends and allies like france, albania , rwanda themselves, to albania, rwanda themselves, to make sure that we get cooperation going both ways. but people will say you've had than— but people will say you've had than a— but people will say you've had more than a decade to sort this out.— more than a decade to sort this out. the— more than a decade to sort this out. the boats— more than a decade to sort this out. the boats is— more than a decade to sort this out. the boats is okay. " out. the boats is okay. i mean, there— out. the boats is okay. i mean, there used— out. the boats is okay. i mean, there used to — out. the boats is okay. i mean, there used to be a decade ago , there used to be a decade ago, there used to be a decade ago, the issue was coming through the channel solved channel tunnel. we solved that. we that out. boats a we sorted that out. boats is a more recent phenomenon. that's why sorting it out right why we're sorting it out right now. the legislation in going through parliament, the rwanda scheme is still being challenged, sorted out. challenged, been sorted out. we're to win those we're hoping to win those challenges. but if you've gone from— challenges. but if you've gone from een— challenges. but if you've gone from sort of— challenges. but if you've gone from sort of e— challenges. but if you've gone from sort of a several- fg but if you've gone from sort of a several hundred and— from sort of a several hundred and 2019— from sort of a several hundred and 2019 to— from sort of a several hundred and 2019 to 45,000 last year and m — and 2019 to 45,000 last year and m net— and 2019 to 45,000 last year and m not emee— and 2019 to 45,000 last year and i'm not telling you—

and 2019 to 45,000 last year and i'm not telling you anything you den-t— i'm not telling you anything you done-speak— i'm not telling you anything you done-speak ee- i'm not telling you anything you don't speak to mps all don't know, i speak to mps all the— don't know, i speak to mps all the-end— don't know, i speak to mps all the-and they're- don't know, i speak to mps all the and they're angry the time and they're angry because— the time and they're angry because constituents the time and they're angry be

with because we with that. but we are because we are getting with in are getting on with putting in place all of the measures that we need. and when comes we need. and when it comes to any general election, course any general election, of course , it's worth remembering that laboun , it's worth remembering that labour, dems and the snp labour, the lib dems and the snp have fought against us at every available opportunity to stop these new laws. i know, but the conservatives taking tough take back people think back control and people think there's of control over there's a lack of control over our and there's our borders and there's a visible lack control because visible lack of control because people keep on arriving by dinghy. completely understand dinghy. i completely understand that , but that why that concern, but that is why we're taking action that we're taking the action that we're taking the action that we're the through we're doing through the through the legislation going the boats legislation going through the through parliament at the moment, rwanda moment, getting the rwanda scheme being challenged in the courts. trying courts. you know, we're trying to those challenges. we're to win those challenges. we're making . we're to win those challenges. we're making .we're making making progress. we're making progress here. but is a lack of grip— progress here. but is a lack of grip a_ progress here. but is a lack of gup u proouem— progress here. but is a lack of grip a problem here?- 3 “mi; but is a lack of grip a problem here? look at g ”u22; but is a lack of grip a problem here? look at the strikes— grip a problem here? look at the strikes nou— grip a problem here? look at the strikes now as— grip a problem here? look at the strikes now as well. _ grip a problem here? look at the strikes now as well. you've got u..— strikes now as well. you've got the tcu — strikes now as well. you've got the rcn having— strikes now as well. you've got the rcn having refused that pay tett.— the rcn having refused that pay tett-got— the rcn having refused that pay tett-got junior- the rcn having refused that pay deal. got junior doctors deal. you've got junior doctors eth— deal. you've got junior doctors etn-tot— deal. you've got junior doctors etttt-tot st.— deal. you've got junior doctors still-for 35. |- deal. you've got junior doctors still-for 35. i think- still asking for 35. i think there-e— still asking for 35. i think there's the— still asking for 35. i think there's the perception that, you thou,— there's the perception that, you thou, the — there's the perception that, you know, the country— there's the perception that, you know, the country isn't working utth— know, the country isn't working utth tote— know, the country isn't working utth tote ot— know, the country isn't working with lots of people standing on htotet— with lots of people standing on ptetet thee.— with lots of people standing on picket lines. why— with lots of people standing on picket lines. why can't the government— picket lines. why can't the government get a grip of this heuet— government get a grip of this issue?-refute- government get a grip of this issue? refute that. ' t: issue? well i refute that. and the government—

issue? well i refute that. and the government is— issue? well i refute that. and the government is very much getting grips with this getting to grips with this situation. rishi sunak and the whole cabinet are working flat out still on strike. these people we now- out still on strike. these people we now hear- cc t2t" these people we now hear that cc t2t1�* these people we now hear that the teachers— people we now hear that the teachers are _that - people we now hear that the teachers are that they'd teachers are saying that they'd ute— teachers are saying that they'd the-out— teachers are saying that they'd the-out oh— teachers are saying that they'd like-out on strike- teachers are saying that they'd like out on strike with teachers are saying that they'd like nurses )ut on strike with teachers are saying that they'd like nurses andtn strike with teachers are saying that they'd like nurses and the rike with teachers are saying that they'd like nurses and the doctors.t teachers are saying that they'd like nurses and the doctors. so the nurses and the doctors. so i mean, are we going— the nurses and the doctors. so i mean, are we going to have many ttohtthe— mean, are we going to have many frontline public— mean, are we going to have many frontline public workers frontline public sector workers uotuutty— frontline public sector workers actually-roles- frontline public sector workers actually-roles or- frontline public sector workers actually roles or are actually in their roles or are they— actually in their roles or are they-going— actually in their roles or are they-goinglbe- actually in their roles or are they going be continuing they all going to be continuing to—huhhetet- they all going to be continuing to_banners? but. to hold protest banners? but it's to hold protest banners? but he worth— to hold protest banners? but it's worth remembering, for exempte— it's worth remembering, for emote—ot- it's worth remembering, for. example,_at each it's worth remembering, for- example,_at each of example, if you look at each of those— example, if you look at each of those situations,— example, if you look at each of those situations, so— example, if you look at each of those situations, so you look at the-tot— those situations, so you look at the-for example- those situations, so you look at the-for example ,- those situations, so you look at the for example , actually the nhs, for example, actually the nhs, for example, actually the—hoe- the rcn leadership has recommended implicitly uooeptuhoe— recommended implicitly acceptance of the offer. c acceptance of the offer. it's the— acceptance of the offer. it's the hot — acceptance of the offer. it's the rcn members. other unions are balancing at the moment unison which represents a third of the relevant staff in the agenda for change workforce for whom these pay offers will be out there has accepted. so actually a lot of unions are accepting the offer and they're very generous offer actually for last year, 5% this year with one off lump sum. they're digging their heels in and there seems to be the impasse . people want to be the impasse. people want progress. — to be the impasse. people want progress. heohte— to be the impasse. people want progress. people want- people want progress. people want progress, ooh-t— progress. people want progress, toh-t they?— progress. people want progress, don't they? they—

progress. people want progress, don't they? they want this issue to out. — don't they? they want this issue to out. _tuuht— don't they? they want this issue to end. want strikes to end to end. they want strikes to end out—hoote- to end. they want strikes to end out—touts to- to end. they want strikes to end and—boats to be. and they want the boats to be etoppet. — and they want the boats to be etoppet. |ththt— and they want the boats to be stopped. ithink the- and they want the boats to be stopped. i think the people want progress, want us progress, but they also want us to be a responsible government and responsible with and be responsible with taxpayers money. that's why we can't junior doctor's can't meet the junior doctor's demand for 35% pay rise. that would give some junior doctors a £20,000 pay rise. so i find the pubuc £20,000 pay rise. so i find the public yes, they are concerned about some of the strikes, but equally they want the government to be responsible to all public sector workers and responsible to taxpayers as well . now that to taxpayers as well. now that was greg hands, the party chairman , talking to me earlier chairman, talking to me earlier about the conservatives chances at the next local elections. now, ahead of the next general eteottoh— now, ahead of the next general eteottoh the— now, ahead of the next general election, the chairman of rocco totte— election, the chairman of rocco totte hotete— election, the chairman of rocco forte hotels gave— election, the chairman of rocco forte hotels gave over. sorry, let forte hotels gave over. sorry, tet he— forte hotels gave over. sorry, tet he stutt— forte hotels gave over. sorry, let me start that— forte hotels gave over. sorry, let me start that again . at the let me start that again. at the test— let me start that again. at the test generat— let me start that again. at the last general election. i'm getthg— last general election. i'm getthg hy— last general election. i'm getting my elections confused. toooo — getting my elections confused. toooo totte — getting my elections confused. toooo totte ,— getting my elections confused. rocco forte , who— getting my elections confused. rocco forte , who owns rocco rocco forte, who owns rocco totte— rocco forte, who owns rocco totte hotete— rocco forte, who owns rocco forte hotels ,— rocco forte, who owns rocco forte hotels , gave 100 grand to forte hotels, gave 100 grand to the conservative _ forte hotels, gave 100 grand to the conservative party because he woe— the conservative party because he u— the conservative party because he was a supporter of boris johnson. — he was a supporter of boris johnson. th— he was a supporter of boris johnson. i'm going to ask him in a johnson. i'm going to ask him in ohhute— johnson. i'm going to ask him in a minute whether— johnson. i'm going to ask him in a minute whether he's still a conservative— a minute whether he's still a conservative supporter. he's

wewouety— conservative supporter. he's previously voted— conservative supporter. he's previously voted vote leave and supported— previously voted vote leave and euppottet the— previously voted vote leave and supported the brexit campaign. hee— supported the brexit campaign. he-e tohutet— supported the brexit campaign. he's donated to— supported the brexit campaign. he's donated to that campaign too:— he's donated to that campaign to, out— he's donated to that campaign too, and to— he's donated to that campaign too, and is also— he's donated to that campaign too, and is also known as one of the— too, and is also known as one of the ute— too, and is also known as one of the uk's leading— too, and is also known as one of the uk's leading and most influential— the uk's leading and most influential businessmen. but but woutt— influential businessmen. but but woutt he— influential businessmen. but but would he repeat— influential businessmen. but but would he repeat everything that hot— would he repeat everything that hot tone— would he repeat everything that we done ut— would he repeat everything that he's done at the— would he repeat everything that he's done at the next general eteottoh— he's done at the next general eteottoh 7— he's done at the next general election ? and _ he's done at the next general election ? and what does he make election? and what does he make of-conservatives_ election? and what does he make of conservatives approach to of the conservatives approach to hueheee— of the conservatives approach to business - rocco - of the conservatives approach to business rocco forte business now? sir rocco forte tohe— business now? sir rocco forte tohe he— business now? sir rocco forte joins me how— business now? sir rocco forte joins me now. i'm— business now? sir rocco forte joins me now. i'm intrigued by your— joins me now. i'm intrigued by your to— joins me now. i'm intrigued by your answers to all of these uueettohe— your answers to all of these questions because are questions because you are a ehowhet tow— questions because you are a renowned tory supporter and donor— renowned tory supporter and donor ,— renowned tory supporter and donor , unt— renowned tory supporter and donor , uht .— renowned tory supporter and donor , and i know you are donor, and i know you are putttoututty— donor, and i know you are particularly unhappy arnie about what— particularly unhappy arnie about what the— particularly unhappy arnie about what the government's done about tax what the government's done about too hee— what the government's done about too tree smoothe— what the government's done about tax free shopping. so first of an,— tax free shopping. so first of .u, tett— tax free shopping. so first of .u, tett he— tax free shopping. so first of all, tell me about that campaign . wett— all, tell me about that campaign . wet. on— all, tell me about that campaign . wet. on too.— all, tell me about that campaign . well, on tax, we— all, tell me about that campaign . well, on tax, we shopping all the other european countries give or give a rebate on vat, on retail expenditure. yes in this country. rishi sunak changed that as soon as when you became chancellor. so we did not we do not give— chancellor. so we did not we do not give u— chancellor. so we did not we do not give a rebate— chancellor. so we did not we do not give a rebate . _ chancellor. so we did not we do not give a rebate . as- chancellor. so we did not we do not give a rebate . as a- f so we did not we do not give a rebate . not give a rebate. as a result, a not give a rebate. as a result, to tot— not give a rebate. as a result, a lot of people, tourists who would come to london and the uk go to europe instead and spend

their retail money there. so not only are we losing out on retail expenditure, we're also losing out on hotels , restaurants and out on hotels, restaurants and theatres as global blue, which is a expert in duty free shopping , recently did a survey shopping, recently did a survey which shows that with american visitors are the most important in this area . visitors are the most important in this area. britain got visitors are the most important in this area . britain got back in this area. britain got back to 100% of 2019 level of expenditure , but spain was 176. expenditure, but spain was 176. italy 190 and france 226. with the g gcc countries as the middle eastern world, mostly we were at 64% of 2019. france was at 126. so what's going on here? is this a government own goal again— is this a government own goal uguh oh— is this a government own goal again on business? yes. at a oohhtetety— again on business? yes. at a completely shooting itself in its completely shooting itself in he ow— completely shooting itself in its own country— completely shooting itself in its own country ,— completely shooting itself in its own country , in its foot and

its own country, in its foot and its own country, in its foot and to typhu— its own country, in its foot and to typtout ot— its own country, in its foot and its typical of short, the short tethteh — its typical of short, the short termism outlook— its typical of short, the short termism outlook of the treasury . so,— termism outlook of the treasury . so, toot,— termism outlook of the treasury . so, toot, .— termism outlook of the treasury . so, look, i keep— termism outlook of the treasury . so, look, i keep on banging on about— . so, look, i keep on banging on about the— . so, look, i keep on banging on about this 100— . so, look, i keep on banging on about this 100 grand. you gave hotte— about this 100 grand. you gave boris johnson. _ about this 100 grand. you gave boris johnson. do— about this 100 grand. you gave boris johnson. do you regret gtwhg— boris johnson. do you regret gtwhg hth— boris johnson. do you regret giving him that— boris johnson. do you regret giving him that money now? \t2t giving him that money now? no, i ton-t— giving him that money now? no, i uoh-t regret— giving him that money now? no, i uoh-t regret giving— giving him that money now? no, i don't regret giving him that money boris johnson got money because boris johnson got brexit to happen , although not brexit to happen, although not much has happened since. well, quite. yeah. the and also won a huge majority obe in an election which would have enabled the conservative party to do a lot of things it should have done, which it hasn't. but there was some coverage that- which it hasn't. but there was some coverage that i- {1c c but there was some coverage that i got the thpteeetoh— some coverage that i got the impression,-it-in| impression, i think it was in the— impression, i think it was in the guardian— impression, i think it was in the guardian of— impression, i think it was in the guardian of all places, that you— the guardian of all places, that you-oute— the guardian of all places, that you-outte tet— the guardian of all places, that you-quite let down- the guardian of all places, that you quite let down by. you felt quite let down by. johnson— you felt quite let down by. johnson-don't- you felt quite let down by. johnson don't he johnson you don't think he tethered— johnson you don't think he delivered on— johnson you don't think he delivered on promises? delivered on his promises? i woutuh-t— delivered on his promises? ii woutuh-t—the wouldn't believe anything the guardian me. the no, guardian says about me. the no, i mean, i think. i think actually the way he was got rid of was quite disgraceful . i of was quite disgraceful. i think he he lost his way a bit. i mean, i thought he'd get a good team around him to run the country properly. he wasn't able to do that. and you know, he did that in london when he was mayor

of london. i thought the same thing would happen now. but we're driven. we're driven by a sort of treasury orthodoxy in this country. what liz truss wanted to do was completely the right thing. and we've got to get back to an idea actually get back to an idea of actually creating this country. creating growth in this country. labour about it, but all labour talks about it, but all it's going to do is increase expenditure and raise taxes , expenditure and raise taxes, taxes, further raising ng corporation tax to 25% was one of the most disgraceful things are conservative government's ever done . it's going to damage ever done. it's going to damage the long term growth of the economy. it's going to prevent people investing in this country , freezing the tax thresholds was was an affront . to tax rise was was an affront. to tax rise by any other name and reducing reducing the threshold for the top rate of tax on 35,000 a yeah top rate of tax on 35,000 a year. it's going to disincentivise the whole of middle management in in the uk and this is not conservative policy. okay. so what if i take

the contrary sort of. angela rayner the contrary sort of. angela tuyhet wew— the contrary sort of. angela rayner view that— the contrary sort of. angela rayner view that well- f angela rayner view that well you would say rayner view that well you would euy thet— rayner view that well you would say that because— rayner view that well you would say that because you're a millionaire— say that because you're a millionaire businessman and you tepteeehthg— millionaire businessman and you tepteeehthg-you- millionaire businessman and you representing you know, representing the 1, you know, ehoutt— representing the 1, you know, ehoutt the— representing the 1, you know, should the conservatives do with met — should the conservatives do with het th— should the conservatives do with met hot hot— should the conservatives do with me? i'm not thinking- should the conservatives do with me? 1g me? i'm not thinking about myself, rich can look myself, but the rich can look after literature can myself, but the rich can look aft and literature can myself, but the rich can look aft and travel literature can myself, but the rich can look aft and travel anywhereture can myself, but the rich can look aft and travel anywhere they:an myself, but the rich can look aft and travel anywhere they want go and travel anywhere they want and anywhere they want in and live anywhere they want in the they don't have to the world. they don't have to stay pay and stay here and pay taxes. and labour's idea that abolishing non—dom one's going non—dom status, no one's going to leave. people already to leave. people are already leaving with a sort of that happening . it's nothing. it's happening. it's nothing. it's i'm thinking about middle management, the people who work in company, the people who in my company, the people who strive to, to, to earn, to strive hard to, to, to earn, to earn living. they're being earn a living. they're being disincentivized a lot of the reason why people haven't come back to work is that taxes are too high. and the whole benefit system is skewed to keep people on benefits rather than encouraging them to go back to work. the marginal rates of tax are much too high. we have we have the obe, which is one of the silliest things. george osborne ever did, being given goduke osborne ever did, being given godlike status. osborne's idea was that they should keep

government honest in its forecasts , but it's effectively forecasts, but it's effectively driving policy now. it's one of the worst forecasts batus in this country. last year it it was third worse in its forecast. it's never made a forecast . but it's never made a forecast. but that's that's been correct . and that's that's been correct. and still it's driving it's driving policy and it's been used being talked of as if it's sort of has god like status. it's completely ridiculous. so would it be fair to euthtee— ridiculous. so would it be fair to surmise that— 1 t: f so would it be fair to surmise that you're not a great— to surmise that you're not a great tou— to surmise that you're not a great toh ot— to surmise that you're not a great fan of chancellor jeremy hunt— great fan of chancellor jeremy huht 7— great fan of chancellor jeremy huht t 0h— great fan of chancellor jeremy huht t 0h ho— great fan of chancellor jeremy hunt ? oh, no, not— great fan of chancellor jeremy hunt ? oh, no, not at all. 1�* hunt? oh, no, not at all. i mean .the— hunt? oh, no, not at all. i mean , the everything is being blamed on, on, on liz truss, the thing that spooked spooked the markets more or less more more than anything else was is the subsidy on energy costs which then was forecast to be 150 billion. we've given we've continued with a with a subsidising energy costs. it hasn't cost anything like that . it coincided with the

like that. it coincided with the bank of england maybe on purpose as announcing quantitative tightening on the same day as the mini budget. she you know, obviously she rushed at things. she was taking things much more quietly and much more steadily. i we have we had a i mean, we have we had a treasury, one of the most important departments of government being run from argentina . what do you mean by argentina. what do you mean by that, scholar was in that, tom scholar was in argentina half the time. yeah i mean, it might have been a htetutgeheht— mean, it might have been a- misjudgement-kwartengs misjudgement on kwasi kwartengs hehutt— misjudgement on kwasi kwartengs hehutt to— misjudgement on kwasi kwartengs hehutt to howe— misjudgement on kwasi kwartengs behalf to have got— misjudgement on kwasi kwartengs behalf to have got rid of tom eohotu— behalf to have got rid of tom eohotu . — behalf to have got rid of tom scholar . yeah,— behalf to have got rid of tom scholar . yeah, but- behalf to have got rid of tom scholar . yeah, but i- behalf to have got rid of tom scholar . “251 1�* 1�* scholar. yeah, but i mean, he deserves being sacked for. for not on the, the job all not being on the, on the job all the so are you now the time. so are you now regarding— c so are you now regarding conservatives as regarding the conservatives as anti—business— regarding the conservatives as anti—business ?_ regarding the conservatives as anti—business ? i— regarding the conservatives as anti—business ? i mean, what anti—business? i mean, what woutt— anti—business? i mean, what would-rather— anti—business? i mean, what would-rather do- anti—business? i mean, what would rather do want would you rather do you want to see would you rather do you want to eeetuhhh—g- would you rather do you want to see—running the. see keir starmer running the country?— see keir starmer running the oouhttyt—thel see keir starmer running the. country? _the of country? no but i mean the of course not, because they're going— course not, because they're gothg to— course not, because they're gothg to he— course not, because they're going to be even worse. but i whet-s— going to be even worse. but i mean, what's the of having mean, what's the point of having a government which a conservative government which which policies which which is falling policies which are which been which are not, which have been which have followed for the last have been followed for the last 15 and haven't delivered 15 years and haven't delivered good and we've had good growth and we've had anaemic growth, we're no worse than the rest of europe , which than the rest of europe, which is which is basically the same.

but we have we have a sort of social democratic government in parliament. we don't have a conservative government and there's no one who really believes in in driving the economy and changing the system to do that. has reform caught your— to do that. has reform caught your eye? — to do that. has reform caught your eye? consider- to do that. has reform caught your eye? consider perhaps well, i mean, reform is a sort of protest party which will take votes from the conservative party . and if it's allowed to, party. and if it's allowed to, will grow to the level the brexit party did and force the conservatives in a different into a different direction, would you consider giving money to reform? well, no , i haven't to reform? well, no, i haven't oohettetet— to reform? well, no, i haven't considered-that- to reform? well, no, i haven't considered-that at- , well, no, i haven't considered that at the considered doing that at the moment—gtwel considered doing that at the. moment—give more moment. would you give more money— moment. would you give more honey-hottest- moment. would you give more money-tories? no- moment. would you give more money tories? no i would money to the tories? no i would oettohty— money to the tories? no i would oettohty-gwe- money to the tories? no i would certainly-give any- certainly wouldn't give any money— certainly wouldn't give any money didn't money to the tories. they didn't stout— money to the tories. they didn't stand anything believe stand for anything i believe in, though. and about the though. and let's talk about the bushes— though. and let's talk about the business community— 3 and let's talk about the business community in general. the— business community in general. the-ot— business community in general. the _of-pandemicl the recovery of post pandemic trout.— the recovery of post pandemic trout-pewte- the recovery of post pandemic brexit. people were brexit. some people were outwteet— brexit. some people were. surprised-supported brexit. some people were surprirbecause supported brexit. some people were surprirbecause as supported brexit. some people were surprirbecause as you'retrted brexit. some people were surprirbecause as you're very leave because as you're very much— leave because as you're very much u— leave because as you're very much a european, you've got a oute— much a european, you've got a uutte strong— much a european, you've got a quite strong foreign workforce, not quite strong foreign workforce, hot tutt— quite strong foreign workforce, hot tuet oe— quite strong foreign workforce, not just over in— quite strong foreign workforce, not just over in this country, hut— not just over in this country, hut h— not just over in this country, hut th yout— not just over in this country, but in your hotels around the worth— but in your hotels around the worth some— but in your hotels around the world. some people might have felt world. some people might have tett thet— world. some people might have tett that t— world. some people might have felt that it would _ world. some people might have felt that it would be self—defeating for somebody like

you—trout,— self—defeating for somebody like you—trout, hut- you to support brexit, but heoueue— you to support brexit, but because operate you to support brexit, but becauseioperate and because i operate in europe and i because i operate in europe and t-how— because i operate in europe and t-howlwotte— because i operate in europe and i-howlworks and- i see how it works and i understand— i see how it works and i understand it- i see how it works and i understand it better than anybody— understand it better than anybody unt— understand it better than anybody and anybody here and you saw anybody and anybody here and you the— anybody and anybody here and you the teeth— anybody and anybody here and you saw the levels of— anybody and anybody here and you saw the levels of bureaucracy out— saw the levels of bureaucracy and mute— saw the levels of bureaucracy and mute oute— saw the levels of bureaucracy and make ours look look , you and make ours look look, you know— and make ours look look, you know, relatively— and make ours look look, you know, relatively gentle, utthough— know, relatively gentle, although, of— know, relatively gentle, although, of course, it's pretty it's although, of course, it's pretty tt-e heohoe— although, of course, it's pretty it's become pretty terrible hete- — it's become pretty terrible here. the— it's become pretty terrible here. the so— it's become pretty terrible here. 1“ here. the so that's the main reason. and also i believe that there's a huge democratic deficit out in europe, which is getting the european union was getting the european union was getting bigger and bigger and bigger . you getting bigger and bigger and bigger. you have a number of effectively bureaucrats running running europe and countries like italy, where i have a big investment , sort of hamstrung by investment, sort of hamstrung by what the european union tells them to do. they can't have an independent economic policy because they're in the euro and also , of course, because because also, of course, because because they're expecting money from the european union unless they do as they told, they didn't get the

money. but it sounds to me like you— money. but it sounds to me like you ooh-t— money. but it sounds to me like you wont thht— money. but it sounds to me like you don't think the— but it sounds to me like you don't think the government has maximised_ you don't think the government has maximised brexit has maximised any brexit opportunities— has maximised any brexit opportunities-i. has maximised any brexit- opportunities-i mean, we opportunities so far. i mean, we have— opportunities so far. i mean, we hove-teen— opportunities so far. i mean, we have been terribly slow in have we've been terribly slow in getting on with things. obviously joining the trans—pacific obviously joining the trans—pac move and obviously joining the trans—pacmove and will obviously joining the trans—pac move and will benefit important move and will benefit us going forward. all this thing of it's only going to deliver 0.8% growth isn't nato lviv nonsense . that's the fastest nonsense. that's the fastest growing part of the world. the european union is shrinking as a percentage of world gdp , whereas percentage of world gdp, whereas that that part of the world is growing in a big way and it should be pushing in that direction. final question on the cbi. it's direction. final question on the cbi . it's been in the news cbi. it's been in the news heoueue— cbi. it's been in the news because tony— cit it's been in the news because tony danker has had to step— because tony danker has had to step town— because tony danker has had to step down h— because tony danker has had to step down in disgrace should the cbi step down in disgrace should the out he— step down in disgrace should the out he eouppet— step down in disgrace should the cbi be scrapped ? _ step down in disgrace should the cbi be scrapped ? 1�* cit cbi be scrapped? i mean, the cbi should have been scrapped a long time ago. and i mean, just because there's some sort of sexual sort of goings on, the director general of sac, when they they, they , they've, they they, they, they've, they've, they've the various director generals have run terrible policy and taken decisions which are completely wrong. they were allowed to continue but it's never continue. but but it's never done in. it's always been a sort

of big company a big company manufacture orientated entity. it's never done anything for the service industries . it's never service industries. it's never done anything. my industry , i done anything. my industry, i won't shed many tears if it disappears. all right. fair enough— disappears. all right. fair enough .— disappears. all right. fair enough . well,— disappears. all right. fair enough . well, sir,- 2 all right. fair enough . well, sir, rocco forte, enough. well, sir, rocco forte, i enough. well, sir, rocco forte, . hope— enough. well, sir, rocco forte, t hope you— enough. well, sir, rocco forte, t hope you howe— enough. well, sir, rocco forte, i hope you have a— enough. well, sir, rocco forte, i hope you have a very successful— i hope you have a very successful summer period in your hotete— successful summer period in your hotete. thoht— successful summer period in your hotels. thank you— successful summer period in your hotels. thank you very much for joining— hotels. thank you very much for joining he— hotels. thank you very much for joining he the— hotels. thank you very much for joining me this morning. thank you-hawtho— joining me this morning. thank youlhowhg he— joining me this morning. thank you having me. lovely to see you for having me. lovely to see you.— you for having me. lovely to see you—uttey- you for having me. lovely to see you—uttey unt- you for having me. lovely to see you._utley and our. you. now, olivia utley and our heopte-e— you. now, olivia utley and our heopte-e-h— you. now, olivia utley and our people's in gravesend have people's panel in gravesend have teen— people's panel in gravesend have been topphp— people's panel in gravesend have been lapping up— people's panel in gravesend have been lapping up all of the htewtewe— been lapping up all of the interviews done interviews we've done wes streethp— interviews we've done wes streeting - done - interviews we've done wes streeting done greg hands streeting we've done greg hands and ow— streeting we've done greg hands and now we've spoken to rocco totte— and now we've spoken to rocco tote-thughe— and now we've spoken to rocco totte-thugthe te- and now we've spoken to rocco forte, imagine is speaking forte, who i imagine is speaking the tuhpuupe— forte, who i imagine is speaking the tongue ot— forte, who i imagine is speaking the language of the people on the language of the people on the-huhet— the language of the people on the-hohet .- the language of the people on the-panel . olivia,- the language of the people on the panel . olivia, what the people's panel. olivia, what did the people's panel. olivia, what ttt—ot- the people's panel. olivia, what ttt—oh tt- the people's panel. olivia, what ttt—oh tt 7- the people's panel. olivia, what did _of it .7 welll did everyone make of it? well yes. — did everyone make of it? well yes. cthtttt— did everyone make of it? well yes. camilla we've- did everyone make of it? well yes. camilla we've absolutely been lapping up those three interviews and the people's panel here have lots of opinions on what we've heard from those politicians there, and rocco forte, too. so sam, i'm going to start with you again . what did start with you again. what did you think of those interviews at the beginning? there standard

politicians answers— the beginning? there standard politicians answers all- 323 1�*t3?’ 1�*t22t2; standard politicians answers all style out— politicians answers all style and ho— politicians answers all style and no substance . didn't and no substance. didn't uotuutty— and no substance. didn't actually answer the questions we posed.— actually answer the questions we poeet. ho— actually answer the questions we poeet. do these— actually answer the questions we posed. do these people expect us to vote— posed. do these people expect us to vote h— posed. do these people expect us to vote in blind— posed. do these people expect us to vote in blind faith? words cheep— to vote in blind faith? words oheop .— to vote in blind faith? words are cheap . and— to vote in blind faith? words are cheap . and then also with are cheap. and then also with these— are cheap. and then also with these ottuot— are cheap. and then also with these attack ad— are cheap. and then also with these attack ad campaigns, i ooh-t— these attack ad campaigns, i toh-t wont— these attack ad campaigns, i don't want to _ these attack ad campaigns, i don't want to live in a society that— don't want to live in a society that teete— don't want to live in a society that feels it's— don't want to live in a society that feels it's okay to use thhge— that feels it's okay to use thhpe ute— that feels it's okay to use things like child abuse, gun the— things like child abuse, gun crime as political footballs . crime as political footballs. heopte— crime as political footballs. heopte ute— crime as political footballs. people are really affected by the— people are really affected by the h— people are really affected by this in their— people are really affected by this in their day— people are really affected by this in their day to day lives out— this in their day to day lives opt to— this in their day to day lives opt to putt— this in their day to day lives and it's just a— this in their day to day lives and it's just a cheap shot. this in their day to day lives and it's just a cheap shot . jt2t and it's just a cheap shot. do you— and it's just a cheap shot. do you teet— and it's just a cheap shot. do you teet tt-s— and it's just a cheap shot. do you feel it's sort— and it's just a cheap shot. do you feel it's sort of- you feel it's sort of fundamentally impacted your opinion of keir starmer and the labour party ? oh, absolutely, labour party? oh, absolutely, too.— labour party? oh, absolutely, too. he— labour party? oh, absolutely, 100. it's disgraceful- labour party? oh, absolutely, 100. it's disgraceful .- 315123? oh, absolutely, 100. it's disgraceful . well, you 100. it's disgraceful. well, you know— 100. it's disgraceful. well, you know these— 100. it's disgraceful. well, you know, these are— 100. it's disgraceful. well, you know, these are these are not why— know, these are these are not wttty httty— know, these are these are not willy nilly subjects. this is serious stuff— willy nilly subjects. this is serious stuff .— willy nilly subjects. this is serious stuff . and they're quite serious stuff. and they're quite happy— serious stuff. and they're quite happy -_ serious stuff. and they're quite happy - they're— serious stuff. and they're quite happy . they're accusing the happy. they're accusing the hume— happy. they're accusing the prime minister— happy. they're accusing the prime minister of being okay wtth— prime minister of being okay with paedophilia, essentially in what— with paedophilia, essentially in what teoeht— with paedophilia, essentially in what decent society is that upptophutet— what decent society is that appropriate? it's not. thank you very— appropriate? it's not. thank you very much. that's the stark words for keir starmer there from sam and theresa over to

you. did you feel that you you asked a really interesting question about about funding which camilla put to wes streeting . do you was streeting. do you feel it was answered properly? no it wasn't. he the usual and just went he did the usual and just went etutpht— he did the usual and just went straight-attack- he did the usual and just went straight attack about straight on the attack about what— straight on the attack about what conservatives aren't straight on the attack about what there|servatives aren't straight on the attack about what there was atives aren't straight on the attack about what there was noes aren't straight on the attack about what there was no clarityt't doing. there was no clarity there— doing. there was no clarity there-how- doing. there was no clarity there how labour would there about how labour would cost— there about how labour would oto—— there about how labour would cost—or actually. cost their plans or actually what— cost their plans or actually what those— cost their plans or actually what those-are. - cost their plans or actually what those are. so yeah , what those plans are. so yeah, tooth— what those plans are. so yeah, uputh you— what those plans are. so yeah, uputh you know— what those plans are. so yeah, again, you know, no answer . what those plans are. so yeah, again, you know, no answer. '12 again, you know, no answer. and what— again, you know, no answer. and what utt— again, you know, no answer. and what we you— again, you know, no answer. and what did you make— again, you know, no answer. and what did you make of greg hands the chairman? was the tory party chairman? he was worried. you know, camilla was suggesting that he might be worried going worried about what's going to happen elections. happen in the local elections. how tories are how do you think the tories are going i think it's going to fare? i think it's going to fare? i think it's going be disaster them. going to be a disaster for them. i think they're listening i don't think they're listening to—oh— i don't think they're listening to—oh the- i don't think they're listening to_on the street| i don't think they're listening. to_on the street are to what people on the street are euyhg. — to what people on the street are euyhp. .— to what people on the street are euyhp. t ooh-t— to what people on the street are saying. i don't think- to what people on the street are saying. t2t2t1“ c “

round ? yes, i— faith in the party this time round ? “t:tit faith in the party this time round ? 425 faith in the party this time- round ? yes, i think he was quite round? yes, i think he was quite businesslike . erg you know . yes, businesslike. erg you know. yes, i'm fully support what he was saying . i think also by the way, saying. i think also by the way, that labour are in for a shock. the local elections i think will bnng the local elections i think will bring i'm it may not be a landslide , but it will be landslide, but it will be certainly one way above what people expect . and do you think people expect. and do you think that tett— people expect. and do you think that keir starmer— people expect. and do you think that keir starmer gave- 2 and do you think that keir starmer gave a sorry wee— that keir starmer gave a sorry wee streethp — that keir starmer gave a sorry wes streeting gave a good answer there— wes streeting gave a good answer there oh— wes streeting gave a good answer there on the— wes streeting gave a good answer there on the strikes— wes streeting gave a good answer there on the strikes . do you there on the strikes. do you know— there on the strikes. do you know what— there on the strikes. do you know what labour's policy is ? know what labour's policy is? us— know what labour's policy is? it's difficult— know what labour's policy is? it's difficult to _ know what labour's policy is? it's difficult to know- know what labour's policy is? it's difficult to know really- know what labour's policy is? it's difficult to know really. they look, they're in the pockets of the unions for starters . i don't agree with any starters. i don't agree with any of this. not licence the unions are elected by a small amount of workers within a group of the labour party are elected nationwide and shouldn't be so

supportive of the union line on. you know, it's just not right. thank you very much and i can see some nodding— thank you very much and i can see some nodding from to theresa there— see some nodding from to theresa there so— see some nodding from to theresa there so yeah— see some nodding from to theresa there so yeah that's— see some nodding from to theresa there so yeah that's what our groves— there so yeah that's what our proves zen— there so yeah that's what our graves zen panel— there so yeah that's what our graves zen panel had to make of it. graves zen panel had to make of t. hut— graves zen panel had to make of t. hut-how,— graves zen panel had to make of it. but-now,-over- graves zen panel had to make of it. but-now,-over to- it. but for now, back over to you— it. but for now, back over to youlthe— it. but for now, back over to you-the studio.- it. but for now, back over to you the studio. olivia utley you in the studio. olivia utley as you in the studio. olivia utley we .— you in the studio. olivia utley we . twe— you in the studio. olivia utley we . the out— you in the studio. olivia utley as i live and breathe a great job— as i live and breathe a great job h— as i live and breathe a great job in gravesend,— as i live and breathe a great job in gravesend, the people's puhet— job in gravesend, the people's puhet epeut— job in gravesend, the people's puhet epeut eo— job in gravesend, the people's panel speak so much sense tooth-t— panel speak so much sense toeeh-t pp — panel speak so much sense doesn't it? and- panel speak so much sense doesn't it? and i- panel speak so much sense doesn't it? ' 1“2 “

left about both parties left about what both parties chances are. we might even mention the lesser spotted party of all the liberal democrats. remember them . we'll see you remember them. we'll see you very, very shortly. don't go anywhere .

us welcome back to the camilla tominey show. now on the 4th of may,— tominey show. now on the 4th of may, they— tominey show. now on the 4th of hey, hey the— tominey show. now on the 4th of hey, hey the eth— tominey show. now on the 4th of may, may the 4th be— “23 now on the 4th of may, may the 4th be with you. heopte— may, may the 4th be with you. heopte aeroso— may, may the 4th be with you. people across england will be going— people across england will be pohp to— people across england will be pohp to the— people across england will be going to the polls for the local eteottohe— going to the polls for the local eteottohe oe— going to the polls for the local elections as over— going to the polls for the local elections as over 8000 council eeate— elections as over 8000 council eeute wttt— elections as over 8000 council eeute wttt he— elections as over 8000 council seats will be up— elections as over 8000 council seats will be up for grabs. to tott— seats will be up for grabs. to tett he— seats will be up for grabs. to talk me through— seats will be up for grabs. to talk me through what we can expect,— talk me through what we can expect, th— talk me through what we can expect, i'm joined lord expect, i'm joined by lord tohett— expect, i'm joined by lord robert-the- expect, i'm joined by lord- robert-the-peer, robert hayward, the tory peer, tohhet— robert hayward, the tory peer, former-pollster.- robert hayward, the tory peer, former pollster. and i'm former mp and pollster. and i'm otto— former mp and pollster. and i'm tho-hy— former mp and pollster. and i'm also-by scarlett- former mp and pollster. and i'm also by scarlett mccgwire also joined by scarlett mccgwire ,-communications- , former communications advisor to—uht— , former communications advisor to—oht tony- , former communications advisor to—oht tohy htuht to gordon brown and tony blair. a great— to gordon brown and tony blair. a great puhet— to gordon brown and tony blair. a great puhet to— to gordon brown and tony blair. a great panel to have . can i a great panel to have. can i outt— a great panel to have. can i cut you— a great panel to have. can i cut you who— a great panel to have. can i call you wise owls ? i think i call you wise owls? i think i .— call you wise owls? i think i . thht— call you wise owls? i think i can. i think i— call you wise owls? i think i can. i think i can— call you wise owls? i think i can. i think i can now. i had oreg— can. i think i can now. i had otep hunte— can. i think i can now. i had greg hands on— can. i think i can now. i had greg hands on earlier. bless him:— greg hands on earlier. bless hhh tohett— greg hands on earlier. bless hhh tohett .— greg hands on earlier. bless him, robert. he— greg hands on earlier. bless him, robert. he didn't want to utwetthe— him, robert. he didn't want to

advertise the— him, robert. he didn't want to advertise the launch of the party's— advertise the launch of the party's election— advertise the launch of the party's election campaign . it's party's election campaign. it's all party's election campaign. it's at looking— party's election campaign. it's at toothp o— party's election campaign. it's all looking a bit— party's election campaign. it's all looking a bit dodgy. are you going— all looking a bit dodgy. are you gothg to— all looking a bit dodgy. are you gothg to toe— all looking a bit dodgy. are you going to lose 1000 of these? 8000?— going to lose 1000 of these? 8000? wett— going to lose 1000 of these? 8000? well i'm— going to lose 1000 of these? 8000? well i'm going to look at it 8000? well i'm going to look at tt oe— 8000? well i'm going to look at tt to th— 8000? well i'm going to look at it as an analyst— 8000? well i'm going to look at it as an analyst rather than as a it as an analyst rather than as ueoeehuhpt — it as an analyst rather than as a spokesman. c2 it as an analyst rather than as a spokesman. l a spokesman. good. i love that. but yes, there's no question the tories are going to lose seats. they had they they've had through the period of the conservative government quite an extraordinary run of local government successes. government election successes. so that they actually have more seats now . so with the exception seats now. so with the exception of 2019 when they lost seats, but they have more seats now than any governing party's had in decades and decades and decades. so it's theirs to lose. they're there to lose. and they are defending than are defending more seats than the labour and the lib the labour party and the lib dems together. okay, but you dems put together. okay, but you mentioned dems. imean, mentioned the lib dems. i mean, i have cruelly mentioned the lib dems. i mean, i-have cruelly called- mentioned the lib dems. i mean, i-have cruelly called themi i might have cruelly called them teeter— lesser spotted. i know ed dewey-e— lesser spotted. i know ed davey's been— lesser spotted. i know ed davey's been on a bulldozer davey's been like on a bulldozer in berkhamsted_ davey's been like on a bulldozer in berkhamsted doing these in berkhamsted and doing these totte— in berkhamsted and doing these sorts-thugs,- in berkhamsted and doing these sorts-things, but- sorts of kind of things, but stuttett— sorts of kind of things, but stuttett ,— sorts of kind of things, but scarlett , they're not scarlett, they're not necessarily- scarlett, they're not necessarily going come over necessarily going to come over to_the— necessarily going to come over to-ue they?— necessarily going to come over to-ue they? .- necessarily going to come over to are they? i mean . to labour, are they? i mean. p..— to labour, are they? i mean. we. .— to labour, are they? i mean. we. . meth— to labour, are they? i mean. we. . .— to labour, are they? i mean. no, i mean i think- to labour, are they? i mean. no, i mean i think that- to labour, are they? i mean. no, i mean i think that we have to remember that, as robert said, the 2019 elections, which

is where we're coming from, the 2019 local elections, were less of a disaster for the tories. they did actually very well. they did actually very well. they i mean , were a total they i mean, were a total disaster because theresa may went straight afterwards, right? they were so awful. so actually , they're not going to do that that badly. labour isn't going to do that well. i mean what's that saying about labour. no, because. because i'll just- no, because. because i'll just say that— because. because i'll just say that because— because. because i'll just say that because it's— because. because i'll just say that because it's been a pretty tteoettoue— that because it's been a pretty disastrous period— that because it's been a pretty disastrous period for the tories , hphtt— disastrous period for the tories , hghtt vou— disastrous period for the tories , right? you know,— disastrous period for the tories , right? you know, the truss era htowhg— , right? you know, the truss era htowhp up— , right? you know, the truss era htowhp up h— , right? you know, the truss era blowing up in the— , right? you know, the truss era blowing up in the conservatives totes— blowing up in the conservatives tuoee the— blowing up in the conservatives faces the fall— blowing up in the conservatives faces the fall of— blowing up in the conservatives faces the fall of boris johnson hottypute— faces the fall of boris johnson partygate you've— faces the fall of boris johnson partygate you've got to look at tohout— partygate you've got to look at tuhout out— partygate you've got to look at labour and say,— partygate you've got to look at labour and say, well, why aren't they— labour and say, well, why aren't they tohg— labour and say, well, why aren't they doing better?— labour and say, well, why aren't they doing better? no, of course they-te— they doing better? no, of course they-re going— they doing better? no, of course they-re gothg to— they doing better? no, of course they're going to do. 1“ they're going to do. i mean, of course they're going to win. they're probably they're probably going to get swindon or they're get plymouth. they're going to get plymouth. they're to get some, some they're going to get some, some thing. but but they're not going to board because to wipe the board because actually the tories were at an all time low. right that's that's just not true . the labour

that's just not true. the labour party that's just not true. the labour huty h— that's just not true. the labour putty th 20th— that's just not true. the labour party in 2019 scarlett- the labour party in 2019 scarlett and you ottet— party in 2019 scarlett and you ottet 20th— party in 2019 scarlett and you cited 2019 as— party in 2019 scarlett and you cited 2019 as the— party in 2019 scarlett and you cited 2019 as the case oppoetttoh— cited 2019 as the case opposition is- cited 2019 as the case opposition is win council eteottohe— opposition is win council eteottohe .— opposition is win council elections. in— opposition is win council elections . in 2019 for the elections. in 2019 for the tuhout— elections. in 2019 for the labour party— elections. in 2019 for the labour party under jeremy cothyh.— labour party under jeremy corbyn. actually he managed to toe— corbyn. actually he managed to toe teete— corbyn. actually he managed to toe eeute .— corbyn. actually he managed to toe eeute. .— corbyn. actually he managed to lose seats . i know— corbyn. actually he managed to lose seats . i know the first lose seats. i know the first the— lose seats. i know the first the that— lose seats. i know the first the that u— lose seats. i know the first time that a opposition major oppoetttoh— time that a opposition major opposition party, they should howe— opposition party, they should have wo— opposition party, they should have won hundreds in 2019 and tuned— have won hundreds in 2019 and hated to— have won hundreds in 2019 and hated to to— have won hundreds in 2019 and failed to do so.— have won hundreds in 2019 and failed to do so. so— have won hundreds in 2019 and failed to do so. so they're stetho— failed to do so. so they're etuttthg. tt— failed to do so. so they're starting. it was- failed to do so. so they're starting. it was the lib dems out— starting. it was the lib dems and the— starting. it was the lib dems and the greens— starting. it was the lib dems and the greens and the independents- and the greens and the independents who did well in 20th.— independents who did well in 20th. they-te— independents who did well in 2019. they're in— independents who did well in 2019. they're in a much better poetttoh— 2019. they're in a much better poetttoh ow— 2019. they're in a much better position now that— 2019. they're in a much better position now that corbyn's hothhp— position now that corbyn's hothhp ,— position now that corbyn's nothing , nowhere near the nothing, nowhere near the hottot— nothing, nowhere near the huttot. — nothing, nowhere near the huttot. .— nothing, nowhere near the ballot. i was— nothing, nowhere near the ballot. 32» 1“»3 ballot. i was going to say we did have corbyn the leader. did have corbyn as the leader. there a real problem . and by there was a real problem. and by 20th,— there was a real problem. and by zero, whereas— there was a real problem. and by 2019, whereas in— there was a real problem. and by 2019, whereas in 2017 people thought,— 2019, whereas in 2017 people thought, oh— 2019, whereas in 2017 people thought, oh, maybe he's not that hat.— thought, oh, maybe he's not that hat. aha— thought, oh, maybe he's not that bad. and theresa— thought, oh, maybe he's not that bad. and theresa may did badly. by bad. and theresa may did badly. hy aorta— bad. and theresa may did badly. hy 20th th— bad. and theresa may did badly. by 2019, in chickens have come home— by 2019, in chickens have come home to— by 2019, in chickens have come home to roost.— by 2019, in chickens have come home to roost. it— by 2019, in chickens have come home to roost. it was it was it att— home to roost. it was it was it was all abominable. but what i'm sayhp— was all abominable. but what i'm sayhp ts— was all abominable. but what i'm sayhp ts that— was all abominable. but what i'm saying is that this— was all abominable. but what i'm saying is that this isn't going to he— saying is that this isn't going to he a— saying is that this isn't going to be a complete— saying is that this isn't going to be a complete beat. it isn't

going— to be a complete beat. it isn't going to— to be a complete beat. it isn't gothg to he— to be a complete beat. it isn't going to be labour gaining, pahhp— going to be labour gaining, gaining, gaining. of course, they-re— gaining, gaining. of course, they're looking— gaining, gaining. of course, they're looking to win . they're they're looking to win. they're tootha— they're looking to win. they're toothp hy— they're looking to win. they're toothp by the— they're looking to win. they're looking by the end they'll prohahty— looking by the end they'll probably have— looking by the end they'll probably have 100 councils that they-re— probably have 100 councils that they-re running-— probably have 100 councils that they're running. but actually arnhe— they're running. but actually am, r— they're running. but actually arnie, i mean,— they're running. but actually arnie, i mean, what's quite thportaht— arnie, i mean, what's quite thportaht ,— arnie, i mean, what's quite pmpopam, r— arnie, i mean, what's quite important, i mean what i feel reatty— important, i mean what i feel reatty strohpty— important, i mean what i feel really strongly about these eteottoh— really strongly about these election is— really strongly about these election is local elections atways— election is local elections atways have— election is local elections always have low, low voter turnout.— always have low, low voter turnout. and _ always have low, low voter turnout. and what have we now gott— turnout. and what have we now got? wow— turnout. and what have we now goth wow wewe— turnout. and what have we now got? now we've got these new id rutes— got? now we've got these new id rutes whtoh— got? now we've got these new id rutes whtoh ts— got? now we've got these new id rules which is going to actually suppress— rules which is going to actually suppress thts— rules which is going to actually suppress this turnout, right? i , tt— suppress this turnout, right? i , tt ts— suppress this turnout, right? i , tt ts r— suppress this turnout, right? i mean , it is i reckon you're in mean, it is i reckon you're in tawour— mean, it is i reckon you're in tawow ot— mean, it is i reckon you're in tawow ot rh— mean, it is i reckon you're in favour of id rules. 1“ favour of id rules. i mean, there-s— favour of id rules. i mean, there's been concerns about fiddling of votes, hasn't there? and turning up. there's and people turning up. there's been prosecution. and people turning up. there's been-prosecution. this- and people turning up. there's been-prosecution. this is. been one prosecution. this is thts— been one prosecution. this is thtsla— been one prosecution. this is this-a problem— been one prosecution. this is this a problem isn't this is a problem that isn't there.— this is a problem that isn't there. what— this is a problem that isn't there. what want is we want there. what we want is we want to ehoouraep— there. what we want is we want to encourage. but— there. what we want is we want to encourage. but what their students— to encourage. but what their students with _ to encourage. but what their students with polling cards in thetr— students with polling cards in thew-towns- students with polling cards ini their-towns-then their university towns and then they— their university towns and then they-potho— their university towns and then they-pothp home- their university towns and then they going home voting they were going home and voting twtoe. — they were going home and voting twtoe. aru— they were going home and voting twtoe. ahu r— they were going home and voting twice. and i don't— they were going home and voting twice. and i don't-that. twice. and i don't know, that was that. robert. well was still do that. robert. well voter— was still do that. robert. well yore..— was still do that. robert. well vote. the— was still do that. robert. well voter., the police- was still do that. robert. well voter., the police have- ll »22» robert. well voter , the police have failed voter id, the police have failed to investigate— voter id, the police have failed to investigate . _ voter id, the police have failed to investigate . 1“r: voter id, the police have failed to investigate . ' “2 1“ to investigate. and when i served on a select committee with labour members and lib dem members, one of the complaints that we all made was that police

failed to investigate complaints of excess registration and the like. and as for students , as like. and as for students, as students are the group of the popular asian who are so used to carrying id cards because when they go to pubs and clubs , late they go to pubs and clubs, late night venues, they have to produce them and you talk to, well, roccoforte and his colleagues and they spend monday morning giving these cards back because the ids been left . i because the ids been left. i mean, to be fair, we could f j5 1“ i mean, to be fair, we could have another— mean, to be fair, we could have another debate— mean, to be fair, we could have another debate on— mean, to be fair, we could have another debate on another day about— another debate on another day about to— another debate on another day about id cards— another debate on another day about id cards in— another debate on another day about id cards in general. i mean, how important are the heat— mean, how important are the local elections— mean, how important are the local elections when it comes to the bigger— local elections when it comes to the bigger political picture? heause— the bigger political picture? because you're— the bigger political picture? because you're talking about low turnout—are- turnout often people are thhtha— turnout often people arei thinking—bins turnout often people are- thinking_bins and thinking about their bins and thou— thinking about their bins and thetr roasts— thinking about their bins and their roads when they're voting tooatty— their roads when they're voting tooatty-they-re — their roads when they're voting locally they're thinking locally and they're thinking eohptetety— completely differently when it tomes-they— completely differently when it comes-they-to . completely differently when it| comes-they-to be completely differently when it- comes-they-to be the comes to who they want to be the heat— comes to who they want to be the heat hume— comes to who they want to be the next prime minister.— comes to who they want to be the next prime minister. right so it's next prime minister. right so hrs-ot— next prime minister. right so tt-s-ot teth— next prime minister. right so it's-of both, isn't- next prime minister. right so it's-of both, isn't it?- it's a bit of both, isn't it? i mean, certainly in 2019, what we gathered was was things. gathered was was two things. theresa unpopular and so theresa may was unpopular and so was jeremy corbyn. and both of them. well, theresa left out them. well, theresa may left out and corbyn went to on and jeremy corbyn went to on stunningly lose and lose an

election. so actually they do. they're both a bellwether. if labour doesn't manage to win quite a few councils , there is quite a few councils, there is a problem. but also on a local level, yeah . yes. you think? you level, yeah. yes. you think? you think, oh, i, i'm going to vote for this councillor because i like them or because they've done something. i mean when you say what there would be a problem. scarlet. what do you mean— problem. scarlet. what do you mean? there's— problem. scarlet. what do you mean? there's a— scarlet. what do you mean? there's a problem with tetr— mean? there's a problem with aetr starter.— mean? there's a problem with keir starmer. have to start keir starmer. they have to start toothp— keir starmer. they have to start toothplthe— keir starmer. they have to start looking-the-and- keir starmer. they have to start looking the and going looking at the top and going wett— looking at the top and going wett why— looking at the top and going wett why-you,- looking at the top and going well why you, you know, well why aren't you, you know, yours— well why aren't you, you know, you're-no blair,- well why aren't you, you know, you're-no blair, it's- you're clearly no blair, it's hot— you're clearly no blair, it's hot happehhp— you're clearly no blair, it's not happening. think that not happening. but i think that all not happening. but i think that art-poth— not happening. but i think that all-polls show— not happening. but i think that all polls show that it's all the polls show that it's going— all the polls show that it's gothg to— all the polls show that it's gothg to he— all the polls show that it's going to be fine , right? going to be fine, right? i mean, what— going to be fine, right? i mean, what th— going to be fine, right? i mean, what rm saythg— going to be fine, right? i mean, what i'm saying is fine, but not good. robert,| what i'm saying is fine, but not good. robert, i mean, that's the hteresthg— good. robert, i mean, that's the interesting point— 32 robert, i mean, that's the interesting point with the tahour— interesting point with the tahour party— interesting point with the labour party at according to the ophtoh— labour party at according to the ophtoh potts— labour party at according to the opinion polls, somewhere between 41 opinion polls, somewhere between at aha— opinion polls, somewhere between at and .5%_ opinion polls, somewhere between at and .5% h— opinion polls, somewhere between 41 and 45% in the— opinion polls, somewhere between 41 and 45% in the polls, they showt— 41 and 45% in the polls, they shoutt he— 41 and 45% in the polls, they should be achieving what tony htatr— should be achieving what tony htatr ttt— should be achieving what tony htatr ttt h— should be achieving what tony blair did in 1995,— should be achieving what tony blair did in 1995, 96, in the blair did in1995, 96, in the up— blair did in1995, 96, in the up to— blair did in 1995, 96, in the run up to 1997— blair did in 1995, 96, in the run up to 1997 election. jot“? run up to 1997 election. what hearing— run up to 1997 election. what we're hearing from scarlett is

preparing the ground that they're going to be nowhere near that sort of figure. and they should be literally wiping the floor with the tories and they're not going to. and therefore the tories will face questions because they're going to lose a lot of seats because they didn't. they lose. they lost a lot in 2019, but not as many as expected. but it the labour party may well have to find explanations as to why they haven't taken the seats that they should do when they're in opposition in these circumstances. well, we shall ttaht— circumstances. well, we shall rttght. att— circumstances. well, we shall see. right. all i'm— rt. 12.2 2 well, we shall see. right. all i'm saying is we're not going— see. right. all i'm saying is we're not going into it saying thts— we're not going into it saying thts ts— we're not going into it saying this is wonderful— we're not going into it saying this is wonderful, but remember, the tast— this is wonderful, but remember, the tast set— this is wonderful, but remember, the last set of— this is wonderful, but remember, the last set of elections , i the last set of elections, i mean, labour— the last set of elections, i mean, labour won westminster and wahtsworth— mean, labour won westminster and wandsworth, which— mean, labour won westminster and wandsworth, which have been tory torewer— wandsworth, which have been tory t. r— wandsworth, which have been tory forever. i mean,— wandsworth, which have been tory forever. i mean,-are- forever. i mean, they are perhaps— forever. i mean, they are petthp. hut— forever. i mean, they are getting. but you cannot have , getting. but you cannot have, you— getting. but you cannot have, you taow,— getting. but you cannot have, you know, boris— getting. but you cannot have, you know, boris johnson on whether— you know, boris johnson on whether people— you know, boris johnson on whether people think he should have— whether people think he should have gone— whether people think he should have gone or— whether people think he should have gone or not.— whether people think he should have gone or not. i mean, what is have gone or not. i mean, what ts hy— have gone or not. i mean, what ts by the— have gone or not. i mean, what ts by the the— have gone or not. i mean, what is by the time the— have gone or not. i mean, what is by the time the last elections— is by the time the last elections came a disaster and then— elections came a disaster and then you— elections came a disaster and then you hat— elections came a disaster and then you had liz— elections came a disaster and then you had liz truss which opened— then you had liz truss which opened up— then you had liz truss which opehet up thts— then you had liz truss which opened up this ridiculous i hat— opened up this ridiculous i mean, had there been a general

eteottoh— mean, had there been a general eteottoh h— mean, had there been a general election in october, i mean , election in october, i mean, there— election in october, i mean, there woutt— election in october, i mean, there would have barely been a tow— there would have barely been a toy seat.— there would have barely been a toy seat. so— there would have barely been a toy seat. so ot— there would have barely been a tory seat. so of course what's happehhg— tory seat. so of course what's happehhp ts— tory seat. so of course what's happening is that— tory seat. so of course what's happening is that rishi sunak putte— happening is that rishi sunak putte ts— happening is that rishi sunak putte ts hast— happening is that rishi sunak quite is back so— happening is that rishi sunak quite is back so that we, we have— quite is back so that we, we have actually— quite is back so that we, we have actually sort of we're back to grow— have actually sort of we're back to grow up— have actually sort of we're back to grown up politics right where we have— to grown up politics right where we have a— to grown up politics right where we have a we do— to grown up politics right where we have a we do have a gap and auto— we have a we do have a gap and putte a— we have a we do have a gap and putte a ptp— we have a we do have a gap and quite a big gap-— we have a we do have a gap and quite a big gap. but not an ahsotutety— quite a big gap. but not an absolutely massive one. but then the party,— absolutely massive one. but then the party, the— absolutely massive one. but then the party, the kind— absolutely massive one. but then the party, the kind of the oppostte— the party, the kind of the opposite view— the party, the kind of the opposite view to that, i get that— opposite view to that, i get that tt-s— opposite view to that, i get that it's grown— opposite view to that, i get that it's grown up politics on both— that it's grown up politics on hoth sttes. — that it's grown up politics on both sides. but— that it's grown up politics on both sides. 1“ 1r2 both sides. but then you're talking about a low voter turnout . maybe in the more macro turnout. maybe in the more macro picture, people are just bit picture, people are just a bit and fed up of politics. robert and both the two different leaders don't look that different . and they're both different. and they're both quite and should we quite boring and why should we bother? to be negative, bother? sorry to be negative, but seems to be the but that seems to be the thinking in both that thinking in both parties that you're worried people you're worried about people being completely apathetic. actually, risk and actually, there is that risk and it actually, there is that risk and at ts— actually, there is that risk and at ts a— actually, there is that risk and it is a depressing— actually, there is that risk and it is a depressing fact that for heat— it is a depressing fact that for local government— it is a depressing fact that for local government elections peopte— local government elections peopte ooh-t— local government elections people don't turn out and vote aha— people don't turn out and vote and trapteatty— people don't turn out and vote and tragically, in— people don't turn out and vote and tragically, in the vast haiortty— and tragically, in the vast haiortty ot— and tragically, in the vast majority of circumstance cases, they— majority of circumstance cases, they aotuatty— majority of circumstance cases, they actually vote— majority of circumstance cases, they actually vote according to thew— they actually vote according to their national—

they actually vote according to their national opinion rather than— their national opinion rather than thew— their national opinion rather than their local— their national opinion rather than their local opinion. and that-s— than their local opinion. and thats a— than their local opinion. and thats a great— than their local opinion. and that's a great shame. it might be that's a great shame. it might toe-they— that's a great shame. it might be-they should- that's a great shame. it might be they should judge the be because they should judge the heat— be because they should judge the tooat-there-s— local councils. there's no puesttoh— local councils. there's no question-but. local councils. there's no question but we local councils. there's no- question-but we are , question about it. but we are, as soartett— question about it. but we are, as scarlett said,— question about it. but we are, as scarlett said, heading into for as scarlett said, heading into tor a— as scarlett said, heading into for a more balanced managerial oohpettttoh— for a more balanced managerial competition approach to government— competition approach to government ,- competition approach to government , and it will be government, and it will be hattohat— government, and it will be national equivalent vote day attor— national equivalent vote day atter two— national equivalent vote day after two days— national equivalent vote day after two days after the local eteottohs— after two days after the local elections will— after two days after the local elections will indicate how the two— elections will indicate how the two paths— elections will indicate how the two parties, the— elections will indicate how the two parties, the big parties, wett— two parties, the big parties, we-tt aet— two parties, the big parties, we'll get we'll— two parties, the big parties, we'll get we'll have to leave it there,— we'll get we'll have to leave it there, hut— we'll get we'll have to leave it there, but we'll— we'll get we'll have to leave it there, but we'll get a good httoattoh— there, but we'll get a good indication on— there, but we'll get a good indication on scarlett mccgwire aha— indication on scarlett mccgwire and robert— indication on scarlett mccgwire and robert hayward. thank you very— and robert hayward. thank you very joining me. we very much forjoining me. we should go out and vote if should say go out and vote if you've got one these you've got one of these elections up, do elections coming up, vote. do your duty now. absolutely. something else that's up something else that's coming up at news arlene at 11 on gb news is arlene foster, who in for michael foster, who is in for michael portillo. arlene i wanted portillo. arlene i just wanted to i enjoyed your to say i really enjoyed your interview bertie ahern last interview with bertie ahern last week chopper was covering week when chopper was covering my excellent. my show. that was excellent. what got coming up this what have you got coming up this morning? well, we're morning? well, of course, we're going— morning? well, of course, we're pothpltoot— morning? well, of course, we're gothpltoot hast— morning? well, of course, we'rej going-look back-week. going to look back on the week. that— going to look back on the week. that was— going to look back on the week. that was-roe— going to look back on the week. that was _joe biden- going to look back on the week. that was joe biden visited that was when joe biden visited the-ot— that was when joe biden visited the-of ireland,— that was when joe biden visited the of ireland, both the island of ireland, both wortherh— the island of ireland, both northern ireland. briefly northern ireland. very briefly aha— northern ireland. very briefly

aha-the— northern ireland. very briefly and the republic of and then into the republic of retaht. — and then into the republic of retaht. _qoihq- and then into the republic of. ireland. _goinglbe ireland. we're also going to be toothp— ireland. we're also going to be looking—macronl ireland. we're also going to be. looking—macron and looking at emmanuel macron and his looking at emmanuel macron and hts rhrhehsot— looking at emmanuel macron and his comments in— looking at emmanuel macron and his comments in relation to tatwah. — his comments in relation to tatwah. aha— his comments in relation to taiwan. and then for something a ttttte— taiwan. and then for something a ttttte ttt— taiwan. and then for something a little bit lighter,— taiwan. and then for something a little bit lighter, we're going tolspeathp— little bit lighter, we're going to speaking about mary quant to be speaking about mary quant and the— to be speaking about mary quant and the tepaoy— to be speaking about mary quant and the legacy that she has left arter— and the legacy that she has left atter-teath— and the legacy that she has left after-death earlier- and the legacy that she has left after death earlier this after her death earlier this week— after her death earlier this week . — after her death earlier this week. thanks- after her death earlier this week. rr23 1“.»t1“ after her death earlier this week. after her death earlier this- week . thanks very much for that week. thanks very much for that , arlene. really looking forward to it. so, arlene is on at 11 am. after this show. now, don't go anywhere, because in just a minute, i'm going to be speaking to robert jobson, royal correspondent extraordinaire. you the you know, he's known as the godfather the beat. godfather of the royal beat. i've actually another i've actually got another nickname which i'll nickname for him, which i'll share in just minute. share with you in just a minute. don't anywhere .

welcome back to the camilla tominey show now, i'm delighted to be joined by my fellow royal correspondent and friend , robert correspondent and friend, robert jobson. i said i had my own nickname for him. he's known as

the godfather of royal reporting. like call you reporting. i like to call you the blues of royal the blues brother of royal reporting, because do have the blues brother of royal repouncanny:ause do have the blues brother of royal repo uncanny resemblance have the blues brother of royal repo uncanny resemblance to ve the blues brother of royal repo uncanny resemblance to john this uncanny resemblance to john belushi. just just though, isn't he? hut— belushi. just just though, isn't he? hut he— belushi. just just though, isn't he? hut he ts.— belushi. just just though, isn't he? but he is. he— belushi. just just though, isn't he? but he is. he is.- just just though, isn't he? but he is. he is. but when i tett— he? but he is. he is. but when i tett the— he? but he is. he is. but when i left the express,— he? but he is. he is. but when i left the express, your your old tome.— left the express, your your old tome-ott— left the express, your your old torhe-ott paper- left the express, your your old tome.-old paper .- left the express, your your old tome. old paper. yes. with tome. your old paper. yes. with cheater— tome. your old paper. yes. with cheater haa — tome. your old paper. yes. with checker ba.2. that's what we oattet. — checker ba.2. that's what we were called. we— checker ba.2. that's what we were called. we called the shooe— were called. we called the snooze brothers. i love that trout— snooze brothers. i love that wont pape— snooze brothers. i love that front page picture. but then i tehahtet— front page picture. but then i terhahtet rhy— front page picture. but then i demanded my own my; front page picture. but then i- demanded my own _we might demanded my own one. we might not get— demanded my own one. we might not get tt— demanded my own one. we might not get it right, at least not get it right, but at least we it. last was often the we get it. last was often the motto paper that we motto of the paper that we worked don't get it at all. worked on. don't get it at all. asking it's a great book you've written about charles iii, and you've a bit of a you've always had a bit of a fascination, i think, with charles because always charles because you've always got up close and personal. you've written number of books you've written a number of books about is about him. i mean, this is interesting because we're at this the end of quite this we're at the end of quite an interesting royal week. let's be honest, harry announcing an interesting royal week. let's be hhe'st, harry announcing an interesting royal week. let's be hhe's comingiarry announcing an interesting royal week. let's be hhe's coming withoutiouncing an interesting royal week. let's be hhe's coming without meghan. that he's coming without meghan. there's the there's quite a lot in the papers today whether papers today about whether there's be this there's going to be this rapprochement, royal rapprochement, this royal rapprochement. talk us through your rob, because your view on it, rob, because i get the impression that the king might in from might bring harry in from the cold, of wales, cold, but the prince of wales, william, not having any of william, is not having any of it. know, you're a

it. well, you know, you're a mom,— it. well, you know, you're a mom, mom and— e well, you know, you're a mom, mom and dad. we know that. we mom, mom and dad. we know that. we att— mom, mom and dad. we know that. we at towe— mom, mom and dad. we know that. we at towe ow— mom, mom and dad. we know that. we all love our kids— mom, mom and dad. we know that. we all love our kids equally. aha— we all love our kids equally. and whatever— we all love our kids equally. and whatever whoever they are or whatever— and whatever whoever they are or whatever-tone— and whatever whoever they are or whatever- done .you - and whatever whoever they are or whatever done you to whatever they've done to you to thhtt— whatever they've done to you to tthttlsuppose— whatever they've done to you to limit,isuppose. but— whatever they've done to you to limit, suppose. but the. yeah. limit, i suppose. but the. yeah. he limit, i suppose. but the. yeah. he reerst— limit, i suppose. but the. yeah. he reerst to— limit, i suppose. but the. yeah. he refers to his— limit, i suppose. but the. yeah. he refers to his son harry as my darling— he refers to his son harry as my tarthg toy— he refers to his son harry as my tarthg toy att— he refers to his son harry as my darling boy all the— he refers to his son harry as my darling boy all the way through. and darling boy all the way through. aht harry— darling boy all the way through. and harry acknowledges that in his and harry acknowledges that in hts hoot— and harry acknowledges that in hts hoot spare— and harry acknowledges that in his book spare .— and harry acknowledges that in his book spare . so, look, i his book spare. so, look, i that— his book spare. so, look, i that ves— his book spare. so, look, i that yes ,— his book spare. so, look, i think yes , he— his book spare. so, look, i think yes , he will try to have think yes, he will try to have conversations— think yes, he will try to have conversations with harry. i'm he— conversations with harry. i'm he wttt— conversations with harry. i'm sure he will. and— conversations with harry. i'm sure he will. and the fact that meghan-s— sure he will. and the fact that wephah-s hot— sure he will. and the fact that meghan's not there , that will meghan's not there, that will prohahty— meghan's not there, that will prohahty he— meghan's not there, that will probably be more advantageous, shatt— probably be more advantageous, shatt we— probably be more advantageous, shatt we say. — probably be more advantageous, shall we say. not— probably be more advantageous, shall we say. not because he toesh-t— shall we say. not because he toesh-t hhe— shall we say. not because he doesn't like meghan, but at teast— doesn't like meghan, but at hast-aah— doesn't like meghan, but at least-can speak- doesn't like meghan, but at least can speak more freely least they can speak more freely . as— least they can speak more freely . as tor— least they can speak more freely . as for william,— least they can speak more freely . as for william, no,— least they can speak more freely . as for william, no, i don't thht— . as for william, no, i don't think there'll— . as for william, no, i don't think there'll be— . as for william, no, i don't think there'll be any rapprochement. and in fact, i wrtte— rapprochement. and in fact, i wrttelthe— rapprochement. and in fact, i write .the-about- rapprochement. and in fact, i write the about when write in the book about when they— write in the book about when they try— write in the book about when they try to— write in the book about when they try to force _ write in the book about when they try to force that fab four that— they try to force that fab four that oh— they try to force that fab four thing on.during- they try to force that fab four thing on during the queen's thing on us during the queen's teath. — thing on us during the queen's teath. .thow— thing on us during the queen's death. .know, that- thing on us during the queen's death. know, that of death. you know, that sort of tate— death. you know, that sort of fake walkabout _ death. you know, that sort of fake walkabout they're fake walkabout when they're supposet — fake walkabout when they're supposet to — fake walkabout when they're supposed to be— fake walkabout when they're supposed to be together that hate— supposed to be together that kate-another- supposed to be together that kate another member of kate said to another member of the—tt- kate said to another member of the—rt was- kate said to another member ofi the—rt kate said to another member ofi thlthe _it was one kate said to another member of thlthe hardest it was one kate said to another member of thlthe hardest things it was one kate said to another member of th

taow-poht-ts- know, the point of it is, though— know, the point of it is, though tt— know, the point of it is, though, it was a very difficult thhg— though, it was a very difficult thing, particularly what had happened— thing, particularly what had happehetlyou— thing, particularly what had happened you that thing, particularly what had- happened.you-that story happened as you broke that story the— happened as you broke that story over the charlotte— happened as you broke that story over the charlotte and particularly- over the charlotte and particularly happened over the charlotte and- particularly-happened with particularly what happened with the particularly what happened withi the—bridesmaid particularly what happened withi the-and-bridesmaid particularly what happened with the and all bridesmaid particularly what happened with the and all that,tridesmaid particularly what happened with the and all that, who .maid who cried and all that, who ortet. — who cried and all that, who ortet. r— who cried and all that, who cried. i cried— who cried and all that, who cried. i cried at- who cried and all that, who cried. i cried at the- who cried and all that, who cried. rt1r1:r2 r1:1“r2 who cried and all that, who cried. rt.1r1:r2 r1:1“r2 g cried. i cried at the end of it. i couldn't. but then and then you— i couldn't. but then and then youe got— i couldn't. but then and then youe got hut— t21“ g but then and then you've got but clearly, you saw the two— you've got but clearly, you saw the two brothers.— you've got but clearly, you saw the two brothers. weren't the two brothers. they weren't they— the two brothers. they weren't they-haotthg- the two brothers. they weren't they backing down. they weren't backing down. there-s—tt-sl they weren't backing down.| there's—it's like there's a you know, it's like two— there's a you know, it's like two-who— there's a you know, it's like two-who rust- there's a you know, it's like two who just don't want to two stags who just don't want to stop— two stags who just don't want to stop-hut— two stags who just don't want to stop-hut tt— two stags who just don't want to stop-but it doesn't. stop fighting. but it doesn't it's a good is it? if it's not a good look, is it? if to be fair, there's a degree of magnanimity here. he's going to be seats. he's be put in the cheap seats. he's not to be able. we don't not going to be able. we don't know that. okay. i say know that. well, okay. i say that metaphorically. he won't be in the that metaphorically. he won't be th the cheap— that metaphorically. he won't be in the cheap seats,— that metaphorically. he won't be in the cheap seats, but- rte“, he won't be in the cheap seats, but he's not going— in the cheap seats, but he's not gohg to— in the cheap seats, but he's not gohg to tate— in the cheap seats, but he's not gohg to take part— in the cheap seats, but he's not going to take part in any procession. _ going to take part in any procession. going to take part in any. procession. .not going going to take part in any procession. .not going be procession. he's not going to be on balcony. he's not going on the balcony. he's not going to to of the other to go to any of the other events. a working role. but i think he might— events. a working role. but i think he might be— events. a working role. but i think he might be in. - 1 1“r3 buti think he might be in. events. a working role. but i think he might be in. but does it think he might be in. but does tt hate— think he might be in. but does it make william look churlish if he kind of stands in the way of clearly arnie? i'm getting the impression that impression from your book that the king would rather be reconciled that's reconciled with harry. that's the that's between the point here. that's between harry between harry and that's between harry and king. imean, harry and that's between harry and king. i mean, you know, and the king. i mean, you know, the they-re— and the king. i mean, you know, the they're-enough- and the king. i mean, you know, the they're .enough to - “3 i mean, you know, the they're enough to sort the they're old enough to sort that—

the they're old enough to sort that-hhe— the they're old enough to sort that like themselves. but that out like themselves. but it's-william's- that out like themselves. but it's william's not it's clear that william's not reatty— it's clear that william's not really happy— it's clear that william's not really happy about it. but wttttarh— really happy about it. but william, at— really happy about it. but william, at the end of the day, has—a— william, at the end of the day, has—a hege- william, at the end of the day, has—a liege man. william, at the end of the day,| has—a liege man to has sworn to be a liege man to the— has sworn to be a liege man to the-tt— has sworn to be a liege man to the-h the— has sworn to be a liege man to the-if the king- has sworn to be a liege man to the if the king wants the king. and if the king wants it, the king. and if the king wants ttlshoutt— the king. and if the king wants it, .should just— the king. and if the king wants it, .should just-on - the king. and if the king wants it, should just on with it, he should just get on with it, he should just get on with ttloh— it, he should just get on with ttloh wtth— it, he should just get on with it,-on with it— it, he should just get on with it,-on with it and- it, he should just get on with it, on with it and take it, get on with it and take orerst — it, get on with it and take orerst rust— it, get on with it and take orders. just get- it, get on with it and take orders. just get on with it. wate— orders. just get on with it. hate hts— orders. just get on with it. make his life,— orders. just get on with it. make his life, make the king's life make his life, make the king's ttte as— make his life, make the king's ttte as easy— make his life, make the king's life as easy as— make his life, make the king's life as easy as possible. it's going— life as easy as possible. it's gohg to— life as easy as possible. it's gohg to he— life as easy as possible. it's gohg to he a— life as easy as possible. it's going to be a short reign only heause— going to be a short reign only heoause-hhg— going to be a short reign only because king will 75. in because the king will be 75. in november.— because the king will be 75. in november.-but,_ because the king will be 75. in november. but, know, november. but but, you know, i hope— november. but but, you know, i hope-hast— november. but but, you know, i hope-teast-youl hope it's at least another you taow,— hope it's at least another you know, another— hope it's at least another you know, another 20— hope it's at least another you know, another 20 years. and it ooutt— know, another 20 years. and it court-he. — know, another 20 years. and it court-he. hut— know, another 20 years. and it could - be. but the - know, another 20 years. and it could be. but the fact is, could well be. but the fact is, wttttarh — could well be. but the fact is, wttttarh .get— could well be. but the fact is, william-get his- could well be. but the fact is, william get his time. he'll william will get his time. he'll get—the- william will get his time. he'll get—the sun.- william will get his time. he'll get—the at| get his moment in the sun. at thts— get his moment in the sun. at thts potat— get his moment in the sun. at thts poht h— get his moment in the sun. at this point in time,— get his moment in the sun. at this point in time, he's the her. — this point in time, he's the her. wett— this point in time, he's the heir. well-like- this point in time, he's the heir. well like the air heir. well act like the air support— heir. well act like the air support-father.- heir. well act like the air support father. and heir. well act like the air support -father. and your support your father. and if your rather—to— support your father. and if your rather—to try- support your father. and if your father-to try to - support your father. and if your father to try to build father wants you to try to build hrttges— father wants you to try to build hrttges tutt— father wants you to try to build bridges, build bridges on the thug— bridges, build bridges on the thg as— bridges, build bridges on the thg as ah— bridges, build bridges on the king as an individual, how do you— king as an individual, how do you-htrht — king as an individual, how do you-him? what- king as an individual, how do you him? 2 king as an individual, how do- you-him? what words would you find him? what words would you find him? what words would you to describe think you use to describe him? i think he's misunderstood. he's he's a bit misunderstood. he's definitely misunderstood.- definitely misunderstood. i mean, remember meeting mean, i remember meeting him. i ooh-t— mean, i remember meeting him. i tout-you— mean, i remember meeting him. i tout-you were— mean, i remember meeting him. i don't you were there. we don't know if you were there. we went— don't know if you were there. we went arwrot— don't know if you were there. we went around his— don't know if you were there. we went around his garden and. and yeah— went around his garden and. and yeah—tour.- went around his garden and. and yeah—tour. thel yeah, the highgrove tour. the htghgrowe— highgrove tour. and and i thought— highgrove tour. and and i thought.was_ highgrove tour. and and i thought was fascinating. thought it was fascinating. i aotuatty— thought it was fascinating. i actuary—a- thought it was fascinating. i- actually_a private actually went back on a private tour— actually went back on a private tour tater— actually went back on a private tour later and— actually went back on a private tour later and he— actually went back on a private tour later and he said, he tour later and he said, well, he met— tour later and he said, well, he met me— tour later and he said, well, he met mela— tour later and he said, well, he met hela eup— tour later and he said, well, he met me.a cup of- tour later and he said, well, he met me a cup of tea in the met me for a cup of tea in the orahgery— met me for a cup of tea in the orahgery aha— met me for a cup of tea in the orahgery and he— met me for a cup of tea in the orangery and he said, what do

you— orangery and he said, what do you that?— orangery and he said, what do you that? r— orangery and he said, what do you think? i was— orangery and he said, what do you think? i was trying to think of you think? i was trying to think oh what— you think? i was trying to think oh what to— you think? i was trying to think oh what to say— you think? i was trying to think of what to say because he is a bit of what to say because he is a htt sttghtty— of what to say because he is a bit slightly bonkers. his garteh— bit slightly bonkers. hisi garteh—ot bit slightly bonkers. his. garteh—ot tt bit slightly bonkers. his- garden,_of it and garden, there are bits of it and i i garden, there are bits of it and i went— garden, there are bits of it and i went aha— garden, there are bits of it and 1.1 went and he- garden, there are bits of it and i i went and he went i and i went and he went eooehrtto— i and i went and he went eccentric-went,- i and i went and he went eccentric went, yeah, eccentric and i went, yeah, that-s— eccentric and i went, yeah, hats-rt.— eccentric and i went, yeah, that-s-tt. r- eccentric and i went, yeah, that's,-it. i say,- eccentric and i went, yeah, that's, it. i say, he's that's, that's it. i say, he's a ttttte— that's, that's it. i say, he's a little eccentric,— that's, that's it. i say, he's a little eccentric, but i think he-s— little eccentric, but i think hes a— little eccentric, but i think he's a visionary. i think he's a power— he's a visionary. i think he's a power h— he's a visionary. i think he's a pioneer in certain— he's a visionary. i think he's a pioneer in certain areas of tryhg— pioneer in certain areas of tryhglsustath- pioneer in certain areas of trying sustain, have a trying to sustain, have a sustainable— trying to sustain, have a sustainable planet. think sustainable planet. i think he's tutttut— sustainable planet. i think he's dutiful-think— sustainable planet. i think he's dutiful-think and- sustainable planet. i think he's dutiful think and i also dutiful and i think and i also thht— dutiful and i think and i also think-someone- dutiful and i think and i also think someone who's think he's someone who's an hohourahte— think he's someone who's an- honourable _which honourable and decent man, which agath— honourable and decent man, which agath-peopte— honourable and decent man, which again, people saying, again, you get people saying, how— again, you get people saying, how-he— again, you get people saying, how be honourable or how can he be honourable or present— how can he be honourable or teoeht wheh— how can he be honourable or decent when what happened with htahat— decent when what happened with pupae—were- decent when what happened with diana?_were two- decent when what happened with diana? _were two to. diana? well, there were two to tango— diana? well, there were two to tango-situation. - diana? well, there were two to tango situation. and tango in that situation. and yes,— tango in that situation. and yes—thhtl yes, he did probably think retreat— yes, he did probably think retreat-as- yes, he did probably think reflect-as it- yes, he did probably think reflect as it says in reflect upon it as it says in the— reflect upon it as it says in the pooh. — reflect upon it as it says in the book. you— reflect upon it as it says in the book. you you know, the book. you know, you know, hetore— the book. you know, you know, hetore getthg— the book. you know, you know, before getting married, he prohahty— before getting married, he probably should have pulled out. and probably should have pulled out. aha—ahoutl and he was still thinking about it, and he was still thinking about tt-was— and he was still thinking about tt-was toru— and he was still thinking about it, was torn between the it, but he was torn between the tewt—htue- it, but he was torn between the devil_ blue sea i devil and the deep blue sea heause— devil and the deep blue sea because newspapers at that because the newspapers at that the— because the newspapers at that the-tar— because the newspapers at that the-tar more— because the newspapers at that time far more powerful than time were far more powerful than they— time were far more powerful than they-how.— time were far more powerful than they-how. aha— time were far more powerful than they-now. and they- time were far more powerful than they now. and they would they are now. and they would just— they are now. and they would rust-you-we— they are now. and they would just-you've-getl just say, you've got to get marred.— just say, you've got to get married. can't— just say, you've got to get married. can't requote know at soa— married. can't requote know at oto-taow,— married. can't requote know at 30,-know,-said- 30, you know, you said you're going— 30, you know, you said you're gohg-rharrtet. - 30, you know, you said you're going married. and there going to get married. and there were—they— going to get married. and there were _they were- going to get married. and there were they were making were you know, they were making hate— were you know, they were making hate tt— were you know, they were making hate tt up— were you know, they were making make it up stories.— were you know, they were making make it up stories. actually, there— make it up stories. actually, there-story— make it up stories. actually, there-story that- make it up stories. actually, there story that he said there was a story that he said they— there was a story that he said they-he— there was a story that he said they-he-wh- there was a story that he said. they-he-um, diana they snuck he snuck, um, diana ahoart— they snuck he snuck, um, diana ahoart the— they snuck he snuck, um, diana aboard the royal— they snuck he snuck, um, diana aboard the royal train before they— aboard the royal train before they were— aboard the royal train before they were married. and that

aboard the royal train before theydeniednarried. and that aboard the royal train before they denied officially. id that aboard the royal train before they denied officially. and that aboard the royal train before they denied officially. and then at was denied officially. and then he sart— was denied officially. and then he satt tt— was denied officially. and then he said it was— was denied officially. and then he said it was camilla that she wast— he said it was camilla that she wast etther— he said it was camilla that she wasn't either of— he said it was camilla that she wasn't either of those. it was a prwate— wasn't either of those. it was a private secretary's _ wasn't either of those. it was a private secretary's wife who was going— private secretary's wife who was gohg to — private secretary's wife who was gohg to to— private secretary's wife who was going to see to see— private secretary's wife who was going to see to see his wife and the newspapers— going to see to see his wife and the newspapers in— going to see to see his wife and the newspapers in getting it sttghtty— the newspapers in getting it sttghtty wrong— the newspapers in getting it slightly wrong, slightly wrong. but slightly wrong, slightly wrong. hut—the — slightly wrong, slightly wrong. hut—the stay,- but the end of the day, that prohahty—hehgl but the end of the day, that. probably—being the probably to led him being the tetter— probably to led him being the letter-philip.— probably to led him being the letter philip. the don't letter from philip. the don't toot— letter from philip. the don't toot atte— letter from philip. the don't toot the a— letter from philip. the don't look like a playboy. �*vw�*r2ll g look like a playboy. well, it was more like not get on with it. it was say, if you are going to marry— it. it was say, if you are going to may he.— it. it was say, if you are going to marry her, marry— g it was say, if you are going to marry her, marry her, do it. if to marry her, marry her, do it. rt youre— to marry her, marry her, do it. rt youre mp,— to marry her, marry her, do it. if you're not, don't— to marry her, marry her, do it. if you're not, don't marry her so that— if you're not, don't marry her so that she-s— if you're not, don't marry her so that she's not— if you're not, don't marry her so that she's not getting all thts— so that she's not getting all thts her— so that she's not getting all this her privacy— so that she's not getting all this her privacy wrecked . /r2» this her privacy wrecked. you touched— this her privacy wrecked. you touched on— this her privacy wrecked. you touched on the— this her privacy wrecked. you touched on the planet and this idea he's now seen as this idea that he's now seen as this visionary, whereas before he was rather for his rather a lampooned for his belief the talking to the belief in the talking to the plant stuff. why he more plant stuff. why isn't he more popular with the youth today popular with the youth of today then? because you'd imagine this eco sort of royal eco warrior, the sort of royal equivalent greta thunberg , equivalent of greta thunberg, would be really popular with the 18 24 seconds. there's some 18 to 24 seconds. there's some research this week. yougov research out this week. yougov have that the young research out this week. yougov have really that the young research out this week. yougov have really care. hat the young research out this week. yougov have really care. they're young research out this week. yougov have really care. they're allng don't really care. they're all moving towards republicanism . is moving towards republicanism. is the royal family in crisis ? as the royal family in crisis? as the royal family in crisis? as the sunday express has reported this morning ? oh, it's that

this morning? oh, it's that sunday— this morning? oh, it's that sunday express. - “371 oh, it's that sunday express. �*vw�*r2ll “371 oh, it's that sunday express. this morning? oh, it's that sunday express. well, the sunday express they're express is saying that they're not engagements as not doing as many engagements as they said to me when they used to said to me when i was in australia, polls doesn't pay was in australia, polls doesn't pay of attention to them. pay a lot of attention to them. he's in it for the long term. if youre— he's in it for the long term. if youre worrtet— he's in it for the long term. if you're worried about polls, we'd stru— you're worried about polls, we'd stttt he— you're worried about polls, we'd stttt he h— you're worried about polls, we'd still be in europe— you're worried about polls, we'd still be in europe because we were-that— still be in europe because we were-that brexit- still be in europe because we were that brexit wouldn't were told that brexit wouldn't happeh. — were told that brexit wouldn't happeh. -potts- were told that brexit wouldn't happen. polls are happen. so i think polls are ptttte— happen. so i think polls are ptttte-ot— happen. so i think polls are piffle-of the-butj piffle most of the time, but they— piffle most of the time, but they-that— piffle most of the time, but they-that .the l piffle most of the time, but- they-that-the sunday they rely on that and the sunday repress— they rely on that and the sunday repress-youre- they rely on that and the sunday express-you're no- they rely on that and the sunday express you're no longer express because you're no longer there.— express because you're no longer there—stores- express because you're no longer there. kind-stories,- express because you're no longer there. kind of stories, express because you're no longer there. kind of you. stories, express because you're no longer there. kind of you. “

might be problem for the might be a problem for the prince princess of wales. prince and princess of wales. well, then maybe they need to do a-ah,_ well, then maybe they need to do a-ahlyou-re- well, then maybe they need to do a-ah,.you're saying. a bit more. ah, so you're saying they— a bit more. ah, so you're saying they are— a bit more. ah, so you're saying they e— a bit more. ah, so you're saying they t tt— a bit more. ah, so you're saying they are a bit work— a bit more. ah, so you're saying they are a bit work shy.7 they are a bit work shy? i'm not.— they are a bit work shy? i'm not. so— they are a bit work shy? i'm not. so wett— they are a bit work shy? i'm not. 50 work shy. they- they are a bit work shy? they committed not. 50 work shy. they committed to thee— not. 50 work shy. they committed to theh temtty. — not. 50 work shy. they committed to their family. they've— they committed to their family. they've young, they— to their family. they've young, they-children _ to their family. they've young, they children under age they have children under the age of they have children under the age et—ththt— they have children under the age et—ththh they- of ten. and i think they prehehty— of ten. and i think they probably doing for them what is hght. — probably doing for them what is hght. hut— probably doing for them what is right. but we're— probably doing for them what is right. but we're some of right. but we're losing some of the-hetty-e- right. but we're losing some of the harry's decided to the glamour. harry's decided to do the glamour. harry's decided to to e— the glamour. harry's decided to to a hunt— the glamour. harry's decided to to a hunt the— the glamour. harry's decided to do a bunk and and live in do a bunk and go and live in cetttethte— do a bunk and go and live in california whilst— do a bunk and go and live in california whilst the california whilst retaining the the— california whilst retaining the title, _ actually. california whilst retaining thei title, _ actually be title, which should actually be taken— title, which should actually be teheh—thel taken away. right. and the hhhee— taken away. right. and the the tht— taken away. right. and the prince and title has prince and princess title has gene— prince and princess title has geheltttthet— prince and princess title has gone-lilibet and- prince and princess title has gone lilibet and archie. gone to lilibet and archie. technically,— gone to lilibet and archie. technically, they be technically, they should be ettewet— technically, they should be allowed i do _ technically, they should be allowed do that. it should be allowed to do that. it should be taten— allowed to do that. it should be taken_ultimately,| taken away because ultimately, in taken away because ultimately, th—thte— taken away because ultimately, th—thte-myl in my opinion, this is just my ehthteh. — in my opinion, this is just my ehthteh. _that,- in my opinion, this is just my opinion. _that, you- in my opinion, this is just my opinion. that, you know, opinion. and is that, you know, if opinion. and is that, you know, tt-eethg— opinion. and is that, you know, tt-eethe te— opinion. and is that, you know, tt-eethe teleht- opinion. and is that, you know, if going to and live if you're going to go and live in if you're going to go and live th e— if you're going to go and live th a country— if you're going to go and live in a country which is a republic thet— in a country which is a republic that tough— in a country which is a republic thet fought-7— in a country which is a republic that fought-7.1776,- in a country which is a republic that fought 7 1776, the that fought for 7 in 1776, the tenth;— that fought for 7 in 1776, the founding weren't founding fathers weren't trying to founding fathers weren't trying te-eteetet- founding fathers weren't trying te-eteetet e- founding fathers weren't trying to created a president to they they created a president not to they they created a president hetlhthe. — to they they created a president hetlhthe. teth— to they they created a president not king. yeah. why did you not a king. yeah. why did you have— not a king. yeah. why did you have te— not a king. yeah. why did you have to have— not a king. yeah. why did you have to have titles if you don't want— have to have titles if you don't went—hhe- have to have titles if you don't went—ant tt- have to have titles if you don't want—and if you. want to be royal? and if you went— want to be royal? and if you went to — want to be royal? and if you want to then _ want to be royal? and if you want to then attack very want to then attack the very thetttutteh — want to then attack the very institution that _ want to then attack the very institution that taking institution that you're taking the ttttee— institution that you're taking the titles for— institution that you're taking the titles for on _ institution that you're taking the titles for on this job ththe. — the titles for on this job thing. finally,- the titles for on this job thing. finally, it- the titles for on this job thing. c : thing. finally, it should be a bit princess anne like they bit more princess anne like they should engagement. should be doing more engagement. it's terrific she's it's a terrific lady and she's tene— it's a terrific lady and she's donelbrilliant_ it's a terrific lady and she's done brilliant for many done a brilliant job for many years— done a brilliant job for many yeah-wttt— done a brilliant job for many years will always be years and will always be gtetetut— years and will always be

grateful-her.- years and will always be grateful her. robert, thank grateful to her. robert, thank you— grateful to her. robert, thank you very— grateful to her. robert, thank you very much. — grateful to her. robert, thank you very much. cu. ” you very much. his book, our king is out now, i'll be king is out now. now, i'll be back next week at 930 with more punchy interviews. but punchy political interviews. but up for michael up next, covering for michael portillo. arlene foster .

good morning and welcome to sunday with arlene foster . two sunday with arlene foster. two hours of good : two hours of good conversation on ette— hours of good conversation on the the— hours of good conversation on arts and entertainment. coming up eh— arts and entertainment. coming up on the— arts and entertainment. coming up on the they,— arts and entertainment. coming up on the show, we'll be tetteetthg— up on the show, we'll be reflecting on _ up on the show, we'll be reflecting on joe biden's four day— reflecting on joe biden's four day yet— reflecting on joe biden's four day ytett te— reflecting on joe biden's four day visit to the _ reflecting on joe biden's four day visit to the island of heteht. — day visit to the island of heteht. .— day visit to the island of ireland. i want- day visit to the island of ireland. i want to ask, is the us— ireland. i want to ask, is the us hteetteht— ireland. i want to ask, is the us president an— ireland. i want to ask, is the us president an honest broker when— us president an honest broker when t— us president an honest broker when it comes— us president an honest broker when it comes to— us president an honest broker when it comes to politics in northern— when it comes to politics in northern ireland? back on the hethtehte— northern ireland? back on the mainland? we'll— northern ireland? back on the mainland? we'll be looking into the teeth— mainland? we'll be looking into the travails of— mainland? we'll be looking into the travails of scottish