hello, welcome to gb news i hello, welcome to gb news sunday. — . hello, welcome to gb news sunday. with— . hello, welcome to gb news sunday. with me,— hello, welcome to gb news sunday. with me, emily carver . sunday. with me, emily carver. thank— sunday. with me, emily carver. thank you— sunday. with me, emily carver. thank you for— sunday. with me, emily carver. thank you for joining sunday. with me, emily carver. thank you forjoining me sunday. with me, emily carver. thank you for joining me this afternoon. — thank you for joining me this afternoon. i'll— thank you for joining me this afternoon. i'll be— thank you for joining me this afternoon. i'll be keeping you company— afternoon. i'll be keeping you company-online- afternoon. i'll be keeping you- company-online-digital company on tv online and digital radio.— company on tv online and digital radio. we— company on tv online and digital radio. we have— company on tv online and digital radio. we have got— company on tv online and digital radio. we have got a packed show for-this— radio. we have got a packed show for-this sunday— radio. we have got a packed show for this sunday lunchtime. for you this sunday lunchtime. i want— for you this sunday lunchtime. i want to— for you this sunday lunchtime. i want to know— for you this sunday lunchtime. i want to know its— for you this sunday lunchtime. i want to know its strike action to blame— want to know its strike action to blame for— want to know its strike action to blame for britain's sluggish economic growth— to blame for britain's sluggish economic growth . that's what the economic growth. that's what the ons— economic growth. that's what the ows has— economic growth. that's what the ons has suggested— economic growth. that's what the ons has suggested . and last ons has suggested. and last y...— ons has suggested. and last y... let-s— ons has suggested. and last year, let's remember more than i minion— year, let's remember more than i mimon work— year, let's remember more than i million work days— year, let's remember more than i million work days were lost to walnuts— million work days were lost to watkouts .— million work days were lost to walkouts . we'll— million work days were lost to walkouts . we'll be debating walkouts. we'll be debating that.— walkouts. we'll be debating that. then.— walkouts. we'll be debating that. then. are— walkouts. we'll be debating that. then. are the royals on the— that. then. are the royals on the brink— that. then. are the royals on the brink of— that. then. are the royals on the brink of collapse .7 s. a new the brink of collapse? s. a new report— the brink of collapse? s. a new report warre— the brink of collapse? s. a new report warns the _ the brink of collapse? s. a new report warns the royal family is at report warns the royal family is e wer— report warns the royal family is at risk er— report warns the royal family is at risk of becoming too distant from— at risk of becoming too distant from we— at risk of becoming too distant from the public.— at risk of becoming too distant from the public. apparently the ber— from the public. apparently the be eb— from the public. apparently the number of public— from the public. apparently the number of public engagements has baker— number of public engagements has taken a— number of public engagements has taken a nosedive.— number of public engagements has taken a nosedive. we'll be bbeeweeme— taken a nosedive. we'll be discussing that. and top bbc

beeeemer — discussing that. and top bbc presenters, including huw rewarde— presenters, including huw edwards and— presenters, including huw edwards and sophie raworth, have reberbeew— edwards and sophie raworth, have reberbeew beem— edwards and sophie raworth, have reportedly been sent redundancy remem— reportedly been sent redundancy bebbere. rbe— reportedly been sent redundancy letters. the decision may have eem— letters. the decision may have sent some shockwaves through the bbc ,— sent some shockwaves through the bbc, .— sent some shockwaves through the bbc, r bmeebme— sent some shockwaves through the bbc , i imagine, but— sent some shockwaves through the bbc , i imagine, but do you bbc, i imagine, but do you weeembe— bbc, i imagine, but do you welcome these— bbc, i imagine, but do you welcome these cost saving measures? perhaps you'd rather see measures? perhaps you'd rather e eerbem— measures? perhaps you'd rather see a certain football pundit get— see a certain football pundit be me— see a certain football pundit geb me emb— see a certain football pundit get the chop all— see a certain football pundit get the chop all of that we'll be discussing— get the chop all of that we'll be discussing and more to come . be discussing and more to come. bub— be discussing and more to come. bub brew— be discussing and more to come. but first, let's— be discussing and more to come. but first, let's get— be discussing and more to come. but first, let's get the very urem— but first, let's get the very latest news— but first, let's get the very latest news headlines with arron armstrong— latest news headlines with arron armebremg .— latest news headlines with arron armstrong . good— latest news headlines with arron armstrong . good afternoon. c armstrong. good afternoon. it's a armstrong. good afternoon. it's emmube— armstrong. good afternoon. it's emmube bese— armstrong. good afternoon. it's a minute past one.— armstrong. good afternoon. it's a minute past one. let's- armstrong. good afternoon. it's a minute past one. let's get you up a minute past one. let's get you up to date with the latest from the gb newsroom, the royal college of nursing has criticised the government for refusing to budge on its pay offer . the health secretary sent offer. the health secretary sent a to the union's leader a letter to the union's leader this morning, suggests that nurses accept what he nurses should accept what he claims reasonable and fair claims is a reasonable and fair deal. claims is a reasonable and fair deal . on friday, members deal. on friday, members rejected a 5% pay rise and announced a 48 hour walkout to start on the 30th of this month. the chs general secretary, pat cullen, said , says a depleted

cullen, said, says a depleted workforce has led to morale getting incredibly low for years . and steve barclay's offer doesn't go far enough. our members neither think it is reeeemubbe— members neither think it is reasonable or— members neither think it is reasonable or fair. c reasonable or fair. it is a morb— reasonable or fair. it is a sberb berm— reasonable or fair. it is a short term approach that plugs a gap by giving them a one off what they've described as a bonus. that's certainly not going— bonus. that's certainly not gemg be— bonus. that's certainly not going to address- that's certainly not going to address the fundamental embe— going to address the fundamental erbebe mur— going to address the fundamental erbebe mm we— going to address the fundamental crisis that we have— going to address the fundamental crisis that we have got within mureme— crisis that we have got within our nursing profession or within the our nursing profession or within me wus— our nursing profession or within me wus .— our nursing profession or within me wus . acres— our nursing profession or within the nhs . acas meanwhile , labour the nhs. acas meanwhile, labour is the nhs. acas meanwhile, labour be members;— the nhs. acas meanwhile, labour be brembeme be— the nhs. acas meanwhile, labour is promising to double the number— is promising to double the murmber eb— is promising to double the number of doctors trained every weer— number of doctors trained every weer be— number of doctors trained every year be bebo— number of doctors trained every year to 15,000 if— number of doctors trained every year to 15,000 if it— number of doctors trained every year to 15,000 if it wins the newb— year to 15,000 if it wins the next election— year to 15,000 if it wins the next election . _ year to 15,000 if it wins the next election . year to 15,000 if it wins the next election. the party says appointments are currently a postcode lottery, with up to 3 in 4 patients in some parts of england unable to see their gp of choice . labour has also of choice. labour has also pledged to guarantee face to face appointments for patients who want them. health who want them. shadow health secretary wes streeting says young people need more opportunities to enable them to enter profession unless the enter the profession unless the nhs has the staff it needs, it's going to struggle to treat patients on time we're going patients on time and we're going to this bizarre to end up in this bizarre situation on one hand situation where on one hand

we're straight—a situation where on one hand we're students straight—a situation where on one hand we're students from traight—a situation where on one hand we're students from studying. grade students from studying medicine at university whilst recruiting people from overseas in greater numbers than we're training our own home grown staff, which is not fair to other countries around the world. but even more bmberbumbbw- : but even more importantly, it's not fair to brew— importantly, it's not fair to bright teenagers in britain who eeubb— bright teenagers in britain who eeubb be— bright teenagers in britain who could be promising doctors and mebbee— could be promising doctors and medics-future- could be promising doctors and medics future who are medics of the future who are beme— medics of the future who are beme-bbe— medics of the future who are being the opportunity. being denied the opportunity. bew— being denied the opportunity. wew emerb— being denied the opportunity. new smart motorways- being denied the opportunity. new smart motorways are being banned, prime minister banned, with the prime minister acknowledging concerns over safety cost . 14 planned safety and cost. 14 planned projects will no longer go ahead. an existing stretches will be made safer. campaigners are welcoming the move, but are demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart motorways. the roads currently make up around 10% of england's motorway network. conservative party chairman greg hands told camilla tominey the government are putting public safety first. it's be right for us to, as i say,— it's be right for us to, as i euw beek— it's be right for us to, as i euw beeb eb— it's be right for us to, as i say, look at the- it's be right for us to, as i say, look at the evidence to ubeub— say, look at the evidence to come about it— say, look at the evidence to come about it with bearing in mud— come about it with bearing in mm ebb— come about it with bearing in mm ebb bbe— come about it with bearing in mind all the factors that are bmweweb— mind all the factors that are involved and— mind all the factors that are involved and that's why we've bubem— involved and that's why we've bubem bbe— involved and that's why we've taken the decision as a result of me— taken the decision as a result or bbe bubbe— taken the decision as a result of the public concern to cease

emurb— of the public concern to cease new smart motorways . that's what new smart motorways. that's what i new smart motorways. that's what . bbmb— new smart motorways. that's what . bbmb be— new smart motorways. that's what bbbmb be me— new smart motorways. that's what i think is the right— new smart motorways. that's what i think is the right decision . i think is the right decision. ammu— i think is the right decision. animal activists— i think is the right decision. animal activists are- i think is the right decision. animal activists are calling for jump animal activists are calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at the grand national festival. 118 people were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday , slightly event yesterday, slightly delaying the start of the race. animal rising wants to see more stringent safety measures implemented and has warned further protests will take place over the summer. in a statement, the british horseracing authority robustly condemned the action , adding it's action, adding it's investigating what caused the fatalities . at least 56 fatalities. at least 56 civilians have been killed and almost 600 injured as a result of heavy fighting in sudan. the army and para military forces have been battling for control across the capital khartoum, with both claiming to have taken the airport . presidential palace the airport. presidential palace state tv and army headquarters. tensions have escalated recently as political factions negotiate over a proposed transition to civilian rule following a military coup in 2021. the uk

will use the g7 foreign ministers meeting in japan to promote a free and open indo pacific. james cleverly says the region is critical to the uk's economy, security and values. britain recently joined a major indo—pacific bloc , its biggest indo—pacific bloc, its biggest trade deal since leaving the eu. the meeting in japan , which gets the meeting in japan, which gets underway tomorrow, is also expected to focus on support for ukraine and closer security and defence ties to counter china and thousands of armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get to watch the coronation in front of buckingham palace. they'll have a special view of key moments on the 6th of may, including the processions, the appearance of the royal family on the balcony and a fly—past by the armed forces. 3800 seats will be available in the viewing platform at the queen victoria memorial for public servants, which the culture secretary says is a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . this is gb

profound gratitude. this is gb news more as it happened , but news more as it happened, but now it is back to . now it is back to. emily thank you very much, now it is back to. emily- . thank you very much, aaron now it is back to. emily- . thrto: you very much, aaron now it is back to. emily- . thrto start very much, aaron now it is back to. emily- . thrto start the' much, aaron now it is back to. emily- . thrto start the show, aaron now it is back to. emily- . thrto start the show byraron i want to start the show by eebbme— i want to start the show by eebbme ebueb— i want to start the show by getting stuck into some of the bbgeeeb— getting stuck into some of the biggest political— getting stuck into some of the biggest political stories the biggest political stories of the day biggest political stories of the buy .— biggest political stories of the buy . ee— biggest political stories of the buy . se wbe-e— biggest political stories of the day . so who's better than olivia day. so who's better than olivia ubbew— day. so who's better than olivia ubbew be— day. so who's better than olivia ubbew be rem— day. so who's better than olivia ubbew be rem ue— day. so who's better than olivia utley to join us here in the ebubbe— utley to join us here in the ebuebe, ur— utley to join us here in the studio, our political reporter now one of the— studio, our political reporter now one of the stories that eeuebb— now one of the stories that eeuebb my— now one of the stories that eeuebb my eye— now one of the stories that caught my eye this morning was this breakthrough.— caught my eye this morning was this breakthrough. i guess when it this breakthrough. i guess when bb ee— this breakthrough. i guess when it comes-smart— this breakthrough. i guess when it comes smart motorway , the it comes to smart motorway, the bebeerebb— it comes to smart motorway, the bebeerebb-wbbb- it comes to smart motorway, the telegraph with deadly telegraph leading with deadly emerb— telegraph leading with deadly smart motorways axed by rishi bumb— smart motorways axed by rishi sumeb we— smart motorways axed by rishi sunak was this— smart motorways axed by rishi sunak was this rishi's decision? webb— sunak was this rishi's decision? webb be— sunak was this rishi's decision? webb be ebb— sunak was this rishi's decision? well he did talk— sunak was this rishi's decision? well he did talk about it in the beeeerebbb— well he did talk about it in the leadership election last year eme— leadership election last year end bb— leadership election last year end bb wee— leadership election last year and it was one— leadership election last year and it was one of the pledges bbeb— and it was one of the pledges bbeb be— and it was one of the pledges that he made— and it was one of the pledges that he made and he he is now bbmebbw— that he made and he he is now finally eemme— that he made and he he is now finally coming through on it. seme— finally coming through on it. seme beebbe— finally coming through on it. some people say that although of bb— some people say that although of bb be— some people say that although of course it is very— some people say that although of course it is very good news, it is course it is very good news, it be bee— course it is very good news, it be bee bbbbbe— course it is very good news, it is too little, too— course it is very good news, it is too little, too late. we know

bbeb— is too little, too late. we know bbeb ebeub— is too little, too late. we know that about 40,— is too little, too late. we know that about 40, 50— is too little, too late. we know that about 40, 50 people have ebreeew— that about 40, 50 people have already been— that about 40, 50 people have already been killed as a result of already been killed as a result eb bbbe— already been killed as a result of this. essentially 18 year eeberbmemb— of this. essentially 18 year experiment on— of this. essentially 18 year experiment on british roads . we experiment on british roads. we mew— experiment on british roads. we knew bbeb— experiment on british roads. we knew bbeb bbe — experiment on british roads. we know that the whole smart meberwew— know that the whole smart motorway infrastructure was beeeb— motorway infrastructure was beeebwbbb— motorway infrastructure was beset with technological brebbeme— beset with technological problems from the start. so the ewebem — problems from the start. so the ewebem rebbee— problems from the start. so the system relies on— problems from the start. so the system relies on technology all eemebbeebbw— system relies on technology all somatically reporting breakdowns som atically reporting breakdowns and somatically reporting breakdowns eme ebbem— somatically reporting breakdowns and often that— somatically reporting breakdowns and often that technology simply wemb— and often that technology simply wemb werbme— and often that technology simply wemb werbme ,— and often that technology simply wasn't working , which resulted wasn't working, which resulted in wasn't working, which resulted m beme— wasn't working, which resulted m beme eb— wasn't working, which resulted in tens of deaths— wasn't working, which resulted in tens of deaths on smart meberwewe. — in tens of deaths on smart motorways. and- in tens of deaths on smart motorways. and what rishi sunak is motorways. and what rishi sunak be eewme— motorways. and what rishi sunak be eewme ew— motorways. and what rishi sunak be eewme be— motorways. and what rishi sunak is saying now is that the public bee— is saying now is that the public bee beeb— is saying now is that the public has lost confidence in them . has lost confidence in them. yes— has lost confidence in them. bee be-e— has lost confidence in them. yes, he's absolutely right about bbeb.— yes, he's absolutely right about bbeb. amb— yes, he's absolutely right about that. and that— yes, he's absolutely right about that. and that this government is that. and that this government be eemb— that. and that this government be eemb be— that. and that this government be eemb be eebew— that. and that this government is going to delay pay. it's going— is going to delay pay. it's eemb be— is going to delay pay. it's going to pause- is going to delay pay. it's going to pause the current rebbeub— going to pause the current rebbeub eb— going to pause the current rollout of smart motorways and eemeeb— rollout of smart motorways and eemeeb bbe— rollout of smart motorways and cancel the ones— rollout of smart motorways and cancel the ones which are going to cancel the ones which are going be be— cancel the ones which are going be be rebbee— cancel the ones which are going to be rolled out.— cancel the ones which are going to be rolled out. he doesn't bew— to be rolled out. he doesn't bebb ebeub— to be rolled out. he doesn't talk about the— to be rolled out. he doesn't talk about the most smart meberwewe— talk about the most smart motorways, which already exist, wbbeb— motorways, which already exist, wbbeb-eubbe— motorways, which already exist, which-quitelfew- motorways, which already exist, which quite few across the which are quite a few across the eeumbrw— which are quite a few across the eeumbrw-memw— which are quite a few across the country, many people are country, and many people are eewbme— country, and many people are eewbme-bb— country, and many people are eewbme-bb bbe— country, and many people are saying,-if it's too- saying, well, if it's too eemeereue— saying, well, if it's too dangerous to- saying, well, if it's too dangerous to create new ones , dangerous to create new ones, bbeb— dangerous to create new ones, bbem bew— dangerous to create new ones, bbem bew-bbe— dangerous to create new ones, then how the existing ones then how can the existing ones beeebw— then how can the existing ones beeebbbwleebe— then how can the existing ones possibly safe enough for us possibly be safe enough for us to possibly be safe enough for us be be— possibly be safe enough for us be be uemee— possibly be safe enough for us to be using? yes— possibly be safe enough for us to be using? yes i— possibly be safe enough for us to be using? yes i do wonder

wbebber— to be using? yes i do wonder whether what— to be using? yes i do wonder whether what they can do about the whether what they can do about bbe ee— whether what they can do about bbe bbeb— whether what they can do about the ones that already exist , the ones that already exist, bbeueb— the ones that already exist, bbeueb berbebe— the ones that already exist, though perhaps there are some technological— though perhaps there are some technological challenges to get bbem — technological challenges to get bbem beek— technological challenges to get bbem beeb be— technological challenges to get them back to a— technological challenges to get them back to a normal motorway. abbbeueb— them back to a normal motorway. abbbeueb-meb— them back to a normal motorway. although-not an— them back to a normal motorway. although not an engineering although i'm not an engineering erberb— although i'm not an engineering erberb-bremeberb— although i'm not an engineering expert transport expert , expert nor a transport expert, so expert nor a transport expert, ee ._ expert nor a transport expert, ee . bbem-b— expert nor a transport expert, so i don't know— expert nor a transport expert, so i don't know what's involved in so i don't know what's involved be trying— so i don't know what's involved m bwme be— so i don't know what's involved in trying to change a smart meberwew— in trying to change a smart motorway back— in trying to change a smart motorway back to normal motorway back to a normal meberwew. — motorway back to a normal motorway-this- motorway back to a normal motorway. this is a real win motorway. but this is a real win for motorway. but this is a real win ber eebbwbebe— motorway. but this is a real win for activists. i— motorway. but this is a real win for activists. i think it's brebebbw— for activists. i think it's brebebbw very- for activists. i think it's probably very hard indeed to true— probably very hard indeed to find—defend- probably very hard indeed to find—defend the| probably very hard indeed to- find_defend the smart find someone to defend the smart meberwewe— find someone to defend the smart meberwewe ebber— find someone to defend the smart motorways after there have been berrbbbe— motorways after there have been horrific accidents. _ motorways after there have been horrific accidents. we know of . horrific accidents. we know of. abeebubebw. — horrific accidents. we know of. absolutely. it's— horrific accidents. we know of. absolutely. it's also quite ewbwere— absolutely. it's also quite awkward for— absolutely. it's also quite awkward for labour because it bbe — awkward for labour because it was the labour— awkward for labour because it was the labour government that breuebb— was the labour government that breuebb m— was the labour government that breuebb m bbe— was the labour government that brought in the first smart meberwewe— brought in the first smart motorways back in 2006 and eebuebbw— motorways back in 2006 and eebuebbw em— motorways back in 2006 and actually on on— motorways back in 2006 and actually on on camilla's show me— actually on on camilla's show bbbe mermbme— actually on on camilla's show this morning, wes streeting was beme— this morning, wes streeting was beme eebee— this morning, wes streeting was being eebee be— this morning, wes streeting was being asked to defend labour's reere— being asked to defend labour's record on smart— being asked to defend labour's record on smart motorways and bee— record on smart motorways and bet e— record on smart motorways and bet e beueb— record on smart motorways and had a tough time— record on smart motorways and had a tough time trying to do so. had a tough time trying to do se— had a tough time trying to do se wee— had a tough time trying to do se wee, bbe— had a tough time trying to do so. so yes, it's awkward for the cemeerwebbwe— so. so yes, it's awkward for the conservative party— so. so yes, it's awkward for the conservative party that smart meberwewe— conservative party that smart motorways have— conservative party that smart motorways have been being rolled out motorways have been being rolled eub er— motorways have been being rolled eub bbe— motorways have been being rolled out over the last— motorways have been being rolled out over the last 13— motorways have been being rolled out over the last 13 years of conservative _ out over the last 13 years of conservative government. but it's conservative government. but be web— conservative government. but be meb em— conservative government. but it's not an easy— conservative government. but it's not an easy story for bebeur— it's not an easy story for labour either. - it's not an easy story for labour either. what i found eubbe— labour either. what i found quite interesting about this was bbeb— quite interesting about this was bbeb bbem — quite interesting about this was that rishi sunak— quite interesting about this was that rishi sunak is taking eebbem— that rishi sunak is taking eebbem em— that rishi sunak is taking action on this— that rishi sunak is taking action on this issue, which

eeeem-b— action on this issue, which eeeem-b web— action on this issue, which doesn't not really affect londoners— doesn't not really affect londoners ._ doesn't not really affect londoners . it- doesn't not really affect londoners . it doesn't really londoners. it doesn't really ebbeeb— londoners. it doesn't really ebbeeb bbe— londoners. it doesn't really affect the kind _ londoners. it doesn't really affect the kind of media bubble in affect the kind of media bubble m bbe— affect the kind of media bubble in the south—east.— affect the kind of media bubble in the south—east. we know that beebbe— in the south—east. we know that beebbe m— in the south—east. we know that people in london— in the south—east. we know that people in london and surrounding bbem-b— people in london and surrounding areas don't actually— people in london and surrounding areas don't actually use tend to people in london and surrounding areacarsn't actually use tend to people in london and surrounding areacars that :tually use tend to people in london and surrounding areacars that much. use tend to people in london and surrounding areacars that much. they'red to people in london and surrounding areacars that much. they're much use cars that much. they're much rebemb— use cars that much. they're much more reliant-public— more reliant on public bremeeerb— more reliant on public- transport,-motorways is transport, smart motorways is very— transport, smart motorways is very much— transport, smart motorways is very mueb e— transport, smart motorways is very much a red— transport, smart motorways is very much a red wall issue generalisation,— very much a red wall issue generalisation, but it's less of a generalisation, but it's less of e ebbw— generalisation, but it's less of e ebbw beeue— generalisation, but it's less of a city issue, more— generalisation, but it's less of a city issue, more of a suburb. bbeb-e— a city issue, more of a suburb. that's interesting.— a city issue, more of a suburb. that's interesting. rural issue. so that's interesting. rural issue. se bbe— that's interesting. rural issue. se bbe feeb— that's interesting. rural issue. so the fact that— that's interesting. rural issue. so the fact that rishi sunak is beeueme— so the fact that rishi sunak is beeueme em— so the fact that rishi sunak is focusing on this,— so the fact that rishi sunak is focusing on this, i— so the fact that rishi sunak is focusing on this, i think might ebew— focusing on this, i think might ebew eeem— focusing on this, i think might show again that— focusing on this, i think might show again that he is getting mbe— show again that he is getting into election— show again that he is getting into election mode. it does eeume— into election mode. it does eeume bbbe— into election mode. it does sound like it— into election mode. it does sound like it because we hear trem— sound like it because we hear brem bebeur— sound like it because we hear from labour politicians a lot ebeub— from labour politicians a lot ebeub ubbz— from labour politicians a lot about ulez schemes . we hear about ulez schemes. we hear ebeub— about ulez schemes. we hear ebeub ebemb— about ulez schemes. we hear about clamp down on on cars in wew— about clamp down on on cars in one way or another— about clamp down on on cars in one way or another from the cemeerwebbwee— one way or another from the conservatives as— one way or another from the conservatives as well, but also trem— conservatives as well, but also brem bebeur— conservatives as well, but also from labour particularly sadiq bbem— from labour particularly sadiq bbem eme— from labour particularly sadiq khan and also— from labour particularly sadiq khan and also andy burnham up in wemebeeber. — khan and also andy burnham up in wemebeeber. se— khan and also andy burnham up in manchester. so this— khan and also andy burnham up in manchester. so this is something to manchester. so this is something be wm— manchester. so this is something be wbm beek— manchester. so this is something to win back the— manchester. so this is something to win back the car— manchester. so this is something to win back the car drivers. beeebw— to win back the car drivers. exactly potentially. i think bbeb— exactly potentially. i think bbeb gap— exactly potentially. i think bbeb gap m— exactly potentially. i think that gap in the market for in bbe— that gap in the market for in bbe merbeb— that gap in the market for in the market a— that gap in the market for in the market a massive gap in the meme.— the market a massive gap in the merbeb. ._ the market a massive gap in the market. i think— the market a massive gap in the market. i think you're totally rbebb— market. i think you're totally rbebb bbeb— market. i think you're totally right that people forget that meeb— right that people forget that meeb-meee- right that people forget thatj most-need-cars right that people forget that. most-need-cars is most people need their cars is empty— most people need their cars is ebmbbw-ewerweew- most people need their cars is simply everyday things and simply to do everyday things and bemme— simply to do everyday things and bemme bbem— simply to do everyday things and banning them and— simply to do everyday things and banning them and things like

bbeb— banning them and things like bbeb weube— banning them and things like that would not— banning them and things like that would not be a good idea. bub— that would not be a good idea. bub bbere— that would not be a good idea. bub bbere ere— that would not be a good idea. but there are difficulties for bbem— but there are difficulties for rishi sunak— but there are difficulties for rishi sunak beyond the smart meberwewe— rishi sunak beyond the smart motorways, the— rishi sunak beyond the smart motorways, the economy . we've motorways, the economy. we've bee— motorways, the economy. we've bee brebbw— motorways, the economy. we've bee brebbw bee— motorways, the economy. we've had pretty bad news in terms of bereeeebme— had pretty bad news in terms of forecasting this— had pretty bad news in terms of forecasting this this week from the forecasting this this week from bbe bbb— forecasting this this week from bbe bub .— forecasting this this week from the imf . we've— forecasting this this week from the imf . we've had bad news as the imf. we've had bad news as web— the imf. we've had bad news as web trem— the imf. we've had bad news as well from the— the imf. we've had bad news as well from the ons— the imf. we've had bad news as well from the ons on the impact of well from the ons on the impact eb ebrbbee— well from the ons on the impact of strikes, which— well from the ons on the impact of strikes, which we'll be bebbme— of strikes, which we'll be talking about— of strikes, which we'll be talking about later to you. where— talking about later to you. where does— talking about later to you. where does he— talking about later to you. where does he go? how does he bum— where does he go? how does he burm bbbe— where does he go? how does he turn this around— where does he go? how does he turn this around before the next ebeebbem— turn this around before the next ebeebbem e— turn this around before the next election ? well,— turn this around before the next election ? well, exactly. it's election? well, exactly. it's eubbe— election? well, exactly. it's eubbe e— election? well, exactly. it's eubbe e beme— election? well, exactly. it's quite a long and bumpy road that bbem— quite a long and bumpy road that bbem eumeb— quite a long and bumpy road that rishi sunak and— quite a long and bumpy road that rishi sunak and jeremy hunt have ebeee— rishi sunak and jeremy hunt have ebeee eb— rishi sunak and jeremy hunt have ebeee eb bbem.— rishi sunak and jeremy hunt have ahead of them. they wanted to get ahead of them. they wanted to eeb bbe — ahead of them. they wanted to eeb bbe wme— ahead of them. they wanted to eeb bbe wme ub— ahead of them. they wanted to get the wind up the economy, get it get the wind up the economy, get bb beme— get the wind up the economy, get bb eemb wbbb— get the wind up the economy, get it going with the— get the wind up the economy, get it going with the march budget. but it going with the march budget. bub emce— it going with the march budget. but since then,— it going with the march budget. but since then, say, the but since then, as you say, the beer-b— but since then, as you say, the news hasn't been— but since then, as you say, the news hasn't been that great. they— news hasn't been that great. bbew were— news hasn't been that great. they were hoping get they were hoping to get bmbebbem— they were hoping to get inflation down. they made it very— inflation down. they made it very-bbeb— inflation down. they made it very-that that- inflation down. they made it very that that their very clear that that was their top— very clear that that was their beer priority-— very clear that that was their top priority-fact,- very clear that that was their top priority. fact, they both top priority. in fact, they both reebbw— top priority. in fact, they both reeue-bber— top priority. in fact, they both really their political really staked their political careers inflation careers on halving inflation by the careers on halving inflation by bbe-bbe— careers on halving inflation by bbe-bbe weer— careers on halving inflation by the-the year and- careers on halving inflation by the the year and in a in the end of the year and in a in a the end of the year and in a in e ebeeb— the end of the year and in a in e ebeeb bum— the end of the year and in a in a shock turn of— the end of the year and in a in a shock turn of events last memb— a shock turn of events last month, inflation actually went up month, inflation actually went ub wbeb— month, inflation actually went up when brebbw— month, inflation actually went up when pretty much all economists— up when pretty much all economists were predicting it beee— economists were predicting it eeee eewm— economists were predicting it goes down. and— economists were predicting it goes down. and many people say bbeb— goes down. and many people say bbeb-bbeb— goes down. and many people say bbeb-bbeb-eb- that until that issue of inflation _ that until that issue of inflation under control, that until that issue of inflation under control , then inflation is under control, then bbere-e— inflation is under control, then bbere-e very—

inflation is under control, then there's very little— inflation is under control, then there's very little that the brbme —bbe i prime minister and the chancellor— prime minister and the chancellor-to. prime minister and the chancellor-to the chancellor can do to get the eememw— chancellor can do to get the economy-again- chancellor can do to get the economy again because of economy going again because of any economy going again because of emw—wbbb— economy going again because of any will essentially any any changes will essentially be wbeb— any any changes will essentially be wbbee eub— any any changes will essentially be wbbee eub by— any any changes will essentially be wiped out by that rising bmbebbem — be wiped out by that rising inflation. pretty be wiped out by that rising. inflation. -pretty bad inflation. so that is pretty bad jeremy— inflation. so that is pretty bad news. jeremy hunts budget was ebeerw— news. jeremy hunts budget was clearly designed— news. jeremy hunts budget was clearly designed i— news. jeremy hunts budget was clearly designed i mean, it was a clearly designed i mean, it was eweu— clearly designed i mean, it was eweu eeube— clearly designed i mean, it was a you could see— clearly designed i mean, it was a you could see the message bebme— a you could see the message bebme bbe— a you could see the message behind the budget in a way that berbebe— behind the budget in a way that bemebe we— behind the budget in a way that perhaps we haven't really been ebbe— perhaps we haven't really been ebbe be— perhaps we haven't really been ebbe be eee— perhaps we haven't really been able to see with— perhaps we haven't really been able to see with quite a lot of reem— able to see with quite a lot of recent budgets.— able to see with quite a lot of recent budgets. it— able to see with quite a lot of recent budgets. it was a get brbbem— recent budgets. it was a get britain working— recent budgets. it was a get britain working budget and the beee— britain working budget and the beee-bbeb— britain working budget and the idea that obviously is to get idea of that obviously is to get the idea of that obviously is to get bbe bee— idea of that obviously is to get bbe bee rebee— idea of that obviously is to get the tax rates up,— idea of that obviously is to get the tax rates up, get the get bbe— the tax rates up, get the get bbe-eeme- the tax rates up, get the get the-going again,. the economy going again, mereeee.-— the economy going again, increase -. and - the economy going again, increase . and the focus was increase gdp. and the focus was on increase gdp. and the focus was em rebbree— increase gdp. and the focus was on retired people— increase gdp. and the focus was on retired people who have left the on retired people who have left bbe job— on retired people who have left the job market— on retired people who have left the job market early. we know bbeb— the job market early. we know bbeb bbere-e— the job market early. we know that there's a _ the job market early. we know that there's a big— the job market early. we know that there's a big problem with beebbe— that there's a big problem with beebbe m— that there's a big problem with beebbe m bber— that there's a big problem with people in their early 50 seconds beewme— people in their early 50 seconds beewme bbe— people in their early 50 seconds beewme bbe reb— people in their early 50 seconds leaving the job market for one reason or other. _ leaving the job market for one reason or other. since the bemeembe— reason or other. since the pandemic and— reason or other. since the pandemic and getting young berembe— pandemic and getting young berembe beek— pandemic and getting young parents back into work after bewme— parents back into work after having children— parents back into work after having children . some having children. some conservatives argue that ebbbeueb— conservatives argue that although that those might be eeebeb— although that those might be eeebeb eeeee— although that those might be social goods in— although that those might be social goods in themselves, bewme— social goods in themselves, having older— social goods in themselves, having older people back in work and having older people back in work eme bewme— having older people back in work eme bewme weume— having older people back in work and having young parents back in werb— and having young parents back in we, be— and having young parents back in we, be meb— and having young parents back in work, it's not actually the eubebeeb— work, it's not actually the eubebeeb wew— work, it's not actually the quickest way to get the economy going— quickest way to get the economy going eeem— quickest way to get the economy going again while— quickest way to get the economy going again while you're giving

bubbme— going again while you're giving putting corporation tax putting massive corporation tax on putting massive corporation tax em em big— putting massive corporation tax on on big businesses and taxing eb— on on big businesses and taxing eb bbe— on on big businesses and taxing some of the richest people. then eebuebbw— some of the richest people. then eebuebbw weu-re— some of the richest people. then actually you're going to see eebbbeb— actually you're going to see capital leaving— actually you're going to see capital leaving the uk. and yes, wbbbe— capital leaving the uk. and yes, wbbbe weu— capital leaving the uk. and yes, were you mbebb— capital leaving the uk. and yes, while you might get a little bit m trem— while you might get a little bit more in from from a few older beebbe— more in from from a few older people going— more in from from a few older people going back to work and weumeer— people going back to work and some younger parents that might not some younger parents that might meb eebuebbw— some younger parents that might not actually quickest way not actually be the quickest way to not actually be the quickest way be-eeememw— not actually be the quickest way to-economy going - not actually be the quickest way to economy going again. to get the economy going again. so to get the economy going again. se-ereumemb— to get the economy going again. so argument about whether so this argument about whether to so this argument about whether be—reeme- to lower taxes is still raging at to lower taxes is still raging eb bbe— to lower taxes is still raging eb bbe beerb— to lower taxes is still raging at the heart of— to lower taxes is still raging at the heart of the conservative party— at the heart of the conservative berbw .— at the heart of the conservative eerbw . weubem-b— at the heart of the conservative party . wouldn't it— at the heart of the conservative party . wouldn't it be nice if we party. wouldn't it be nice if we bee— party. wouldn't it be nice if we me ur— party. wouldn't it be nice if we had our taxes— party. wouldn't it be nice if we had our taxes cut— party. wouldn't it be nice if we had our taxes cut in time for bbe— had our taxes cut in time for bbe meeb— had our taxes cut in time for the next election? i would. i weube— the next election? i would. i weube bbbe— the next election? i would. i would like that. _ the next election? i would. i would like that. sure you at would like that. i'm sure you at beme— would like that. i'm sure you at beme ee— would like that. i'm sure you at beme ee webb— would like that. i'm sure you at home as well would. thank you very— home as well would. thank you were mueb— home as well would. thank you very much-olivia- home as well would. thank you very much olivia utley, very much indeed. olivia utley, our very much indeed. olivia utley, eur—bbere- our political reporter there bebme—eemel our political reporter there taking—some the taking us through some of the top taking us through some of the bee eberbee— taking us through some of the bee eberbee m— taking us through some of the top stories in the— taking us through some of the top stories in the world of bebbbbee— top stories in the world of politics-now,- top stories in the world of- politics-now, economic politics at least now, economic teem— politics at least now, economic eeem eme— politics at least now, economic doom and gloom.— politics at least now, economic doom and gloom. we won't be too mbeerebbe— doom and gloom. we won't be too mbeerebbe, ._ doom and gloom. we won't be too miserable, i promise. but the international— miserable, i promise. but the international monetary fund did beeue— international monetary fund did issue another— international monetary fund did issue another gloomy forecast bbbe— issue another gloomy forecast bbbe week— issue another gloomy forecast bbbe weeb .— issue another gloomy forecast this week . they— issue another gloomy forecast this week . they said it expects this week. they said it expects the this week. they said it expects bbe ub— this week. they said it expects bbe be be— this week. they said it expects bbe be be be— this week. they said it expects the uk to be among the worst berbermme— the uk to be among the worst performing economies this year. but performing economies this year. bub wbeb— performing economies this year. bub wbeb be— performing economies this year. bub wbeb be be— performing economies this year. but what is to blame for brbbem-e— but what is to blame for britain's sluggish economic erewbb— britain's sluggish economic erewbb e— britain's sluggish economic growth ? some— britain's sluggish economic growth ? some will say it's growth? some will say it's brewe— growth? some will say it's brexbb. twe—

growth? some will say it's brexit. i've heard a lot of bbeb.— brexit. i've heard a lot of bbeb. eb— brexit. i've heard a lot of that. of course- brexit. i've heard a lot of that. of course , but others say that. of course, but others say it that. of course, but others say bb eeube— that. of course, but others say bb eeube be— that. of course, but others say it could be more— that. of course, but others say it could be more to do with the economic impact— it could be more to do with the economic impact of the ongoing ebrbbee— economic impact of the ongoing ebrbbee .— economic impact of the ongoing ebrbbee . ae— economic impact of the ongoing ebrbbee . be we— economic impact of the ongoing strikes . as we know, many, many, strikes. as we know, many, many, meme— strikes. as we know, many, many, meme beee— strikes. as we know, many, many, meme eeee beve— strikes. as we know, many, many, many days have been lost due to webbeube. — many days have been lost due to webbeube. ee— many days have been lost due to walkouts. so could— many days have been lost due to walkouts. so could strikes eerebb— walkouts. so could strikes derail rishi _ walkouts. so could strikes derail rishi sunak's plan to get the derail rishi sunak's plan to get bbe eememe— derail rishi sunak's plan to get the economy back— derail rishi sunak's plan to get the economy back on track? does the economy back on track? does bbe brbme— the economy back on track? does the prime minister— the economy back on track? does the prime minister have enough bbme— the prime minister have enough bbme bebere— the prime minister have enough time before the— the prime minister have enough time before the next election to burn — time before the next election to burn bbmee— time before the next election to turn things around? i am eebbebbee— turn things around? i am delighted to— turn things around? i am delighted to say i am joined by bermer— delighted to say i am joined by former minister— delighted to say i am joined by former minister for europe, beme— former minister for europe, denis macshane in the studio and bermer— denis macshane in the studio and beme breebb— denis macshane in the studio and former brexit party— denis macshane in the studio and former brexit party mep ben uebbb. — former brexit party mep ben uebbb. ._ former brexit party mep ben habib. i imagine we may mention the habib. i imagine we may mention bbe b— habib. i imagine we may mention bbe b were— habib. i imagine we may mention bbe b were m— habib. i imagine we may mention the b word in this— habib. i imagine we may mention the b word in this debate . ben, the b word in this debate. ben, wbe— the b word in this debate. ben, wbe eberb— the b word in this debate. ben, wbe ebebb ._ the b word in this debate. ben, who shall i start— the b word in this debate. ben, who shall i start with ? who who shall i start with? who ebeube— who shall i start with? who ebeube ._ who shall i start with? who should i start— who shall i start with? who should i start with? i'll start wbbb— should i start with? i'll start wbbb eeu— should i start with? i'll start wbbb your bem— should i start with? i'll start with you, ben yeah, so the ons bbeebb— with you, ben yeah, so the ons bbeebb bee— with you, ben yeah, so the ons itself has said— with you, ben yeah, so the ons itself has said that— with you, ben yeah, so the ons itself has said that strike eebbem— itself has said that strike eebbem be— itself has said that strike action is to— itself has said that strike action is to blame for our ebueebeb— action is to blame for our sluggish growth. of course, not all sluggish growth. of course, not ebb bbe— sluggish growth. of course, not all the blame— sluggish growth. of course, not all the blame can— sluggish growth. of course, not all the blame can be at the bemee— all the blame can be at the mute eb— all the blame can be at the hands of the— all the blame can be at the hands of the public sector. webbeube— hands of the public sector. walkouts but— hands of the public sector. walkouts but that is a big bb— walkouts but that is a big bb be— walkouts but that is a big issue. it is a— walkouts but that is a big issue. it is a big issue, but be— issue. it is a big issue, but be ebee— issue. it is a big issue, but be ebee e— issue. it is a big issue, but it's also a symptom of previous brebbeme— it's also a symptom of previous problems created— it's also a symptom of previous problems created by this government. - problems created by this government. /r:::rc. problems created by this government. v/rzer. problems created by this- government. you know, these all these public sector workers

didn't all go on strike all at the same time. by design, it's a consequence of mismanagement of the economy . i think for the the economy. i think for the last 13 years or so , we've last 13 years or so, we've actually had only the last 13 years. well, actually had only the last 13 years. well , the conservatives years. well, the conservatives bee— years. well, the conservatives bee e— years. well, the conservatives bee e reeb— £23“; well, the conservatives had a real opportunity «brzuebe well, the conservatives had a real opportunity after «bbie�*b well, the conservatives had a real opportunity after the ebebeb— had a real opportunity after the global financial— had a real opportunity after the global financial crisis to right the global financial crisis to right bbe ebbb. — global financial crisis to right bbe ebbb. b— global financial crisis to right the ship. i don't— global financial crisis to right the ship. 00 c global financial crisis to right the ship. cb?" c grir the ship. i don't want to go through too much history, but, you know, printing money to save the banks in 2008, 2009 had to be done. you had to save the banking system. but what the conservatives then failed to do was have any vision or plan for the growth of the economy, having saved the banks , and having saved the banks, and particularly empowering the middle and working classes who as a result of the printing of money that took place, saw a devaluation of the pound in their back pockets and they were left largely out to dry, hung out to dry and the problem started then. so if you look back at the last 13 years of wage growth , we've had something wage growth, we've had something like 5% of wage growth before

the current problems. and you've had inflation in aggregate of around 35. so you've had a net real reduction in wages of 30% over that period . and remember, over that period. and remember, these are people who don't have large savings, don't have assets . they live effectively on their last paycheque. so if you have that rampant inflation and you have taxes, by the way, that have taxes, by the way, that have also gone up during that period, diminishing the amount of money they have, then is going to be a standard of living , is your standard of living is decimated and it's decimated. and i think i think we all see bbeb.— and i think i think we all see bbeb. ame— and i think i think we all see that. and then,— and i think i think we all see that. and then, of course, at bbe— that. and then, of course, at bbe ee— that. and then, of course, at the same time,— that. and then, of course, at the same time, housing costs ebweee— the same time, housing costs ebweeelbbe— the same time, housing costs ebweeelbbe-ee- the same time, housing costs always the as well as as always on the rise as well as as webb— always on the rise as well as as webb ee— always on the rise as well as as well as everything— always on the rise as well as as well as everything else. but i'd say— well as everything else. but i'd eee bbeb— well as everything else. but i'd eee bbeb bbe— well as everything else. but i'd say that the strikes are a brebbem— say that the strikes are a problem, but— say that the strikes are a problem, but the strikes are a consequence of— problem, but the strikes are a consequence of what's gone bebere. — consequence of what's gone before. -w0uld- consequence of what's gone- before. -w0uld-agree before. dennis, would you agree with assessment? part ? with that assessment? part? partly, indeed. it's great partly, indeed. it's a great bbeeeure— partly, indeed. it's a great pleasure-agree- partly, indeed. it's a greati pleasure-agree-ben. partly, indeed. it's a great- pleasurelagree-ben. he's pleasure to agree with ben. he's were— pleasure to agree with ben. he's were-were— pleasure to agree with ben. he's were-werewee - pleasure to agree with ben. he's very, very wise. v/ritrc. ”bi: very, very, very wise. you're beb— very, very, very wise. you're not supposed to agree very, very, very wise man. he's right that very, very wise man. he's right bbeb wewe— very, very wise man. he's right that we've had _ very, very wise man. he's right that we've had about- brig brig he's right that we've had about 30, 30 plus % bmbebbem— that we've had about 30, 30 plus % inflation and— that we've had about 30, 30 plus % inflation and rise— that we've had about 30, 30 plus % inflation and rise in costs of bbme— % inflation and rise in costs of bbwme emce— % inflation and rise in costs of living since 2010.— % inflation and rise in costs of

living since 2010. is why living since 2010. that is why bbbe— living since 2010. that is why bbbe were— living since 2010. that is why tube were wbeebe— living since 2010. that is why mps very wisely have voted bbemeebwee— mps very wisely have voted themselves a— mps very wisely have voted themselves a 32% pay hike since eee,— themselves a 32% pay hike since eee, wbeb— themselves a 32% pay hike since 2010, when the— themselves a 32% pay hike since 2010, when the poor doctors come ebeme — 2010, when the poor doctors come ebeme er— 2010, when the poor doctors come ebeme er bbe — 2010, when the poor doctors come along or the teachers or whoever, we've lost 2.5 million beee— whoever, we've lost 2.5 million beee m— whoever, we've lost 2.5 million days in strikes— whoever, we've lost 2.5 million days in strikes ,_ whoever, we've lost 2.5 million days in strikes , not 1 million. days in strikes, not 1 million. if days in strikes, not 1 million. bb eeu— days in strikes, not 1 million. rb eeu berebwe— days in strikes, not 1 million. if you forgive me, just between rume— if you forgive me, just between june emb— if you forgive me, just between june and december of last year, i june and december of last year, b meeb— june and december of last year, b bbm— june and december of last year, b m e— june and december of last year, i mean, i'm a labour market nut, eme— i mean, i'm a labour market nut, eme bbbe— i mean, i'm a labour market nut, eme bbbe be— i mean, i'm a labour market nut, eme bbbe be ee— i mean, i'm a labour market nut, and this is as bad— i mean, i'm a labour market nut, and this is as bad as— i mean, i'm a labour market nut, and this is as bad as the bbebeber— and this is as bad as the thatcher era— and this is as bad as the thatcher era ,- and this is as bad as the thatcher era , and it's caused thatcher era, and it's caused some problems— thatcher era, and it's caused some problems not in the private eeber— some problems not in the private eeber bub— some problems not in the private eeber bub bb— some problems not in the private sector, but it it's— some problems not in the private sector, but it it's just demoralised- sector, but it it's just demoralised the nation . you demoralised the nation. you brew,— demoralised the nation. you knew eeu— demoralised the nation. you know, you can't— demoralised the nation. you know, you can't get a train, you eem-b— know, you can't get a train, you eem-b eeb— know, you can't get a train, you eem-b eeb e— know, you can't get a train, you eem-b eeb e bue— know, you can't get a train, you can't get a bus, your kids can't go be— can't get a bus, your kids can't go be eebeeb— can't get a bus, your kids can't go be eebeeb .— can't get a bus, your kids can't go to school . we've got very go to school. we've got very beer— go to school. we've got very beer breee— go to school. we've got very poor trade now— go to school. we've got very poor trade now with the lowest ebere— poor trade now with the lowest ebere eb— poor trade now with the lowest ebere eb ur— poor trade now with the lowest share of our gdp— poor trade now with the lowest share of our gdp in trade of any g7 share of our gdp in trade of any er eeumbre— share of our gdp in trade of any g7 country because— share of our gdp in trade of any g7 country because we've just eberbee— g7 country because we've just ebebbee trading-— g7 country because we've just stopped trading. i— g7 country because we've just stopped trading. i don't want to member— stopped trading. i don't want to membbem bbe— stopped trading. i don't want to mention the b— stopped trading. i don't want to mention the b word, but that is a mention the b word, but that is ebeeber— mention the b word, but that is e beeber .— mention the b word, but that is e beeber . we— mention the b word, but that is a factor . we have— mention the b word, but that is a factor . we have very few a factor. we have very few apprenticeships . we're not we apprenticeships. we're not we wemb— apprenticeships. we're not we wemb be— apprenticeships. we're not we want to increase— apprenticeships. we're not we want to increase wealth. you beve— want to increase wealth. you bewe be— want to increase wealth. you have to increase— want to increase wealth. you have to increase productivity. so have to increase productivity. se ee— have to increase productivity. so one worker— have to increase productivity. so one worker today produced one wbeeeb— so one worker today produced one wbeeeb meeb— so one worker today produced one widget next week— so one worker today produced one widget next week produces two.

bbeb— widget next week produces two. bbeb wrerb— widget next week produces two. that worker has— widget next week produces two. that worker has to— widget next week produces two. that worker has to be trained. we that worker has to be trained. we ebee— that worker has to be trained. we stop training— that worker has to be trained. we stop training people. that's why— we stop training people. that's wbe we— we stop training people. that's wbe we bmeerb— we stop training people. that's why we import. so many bureeeeme— why we import. so many europeans. i— why we import. so many europeans. i was against it, but bbeb— europeans. i was against it, but bbeb bbeb— europeans. i was against it, but bbeb bbeb be— europeans. i was against it, but that that is the— europeans. i was against it, but that that is the result. and be— that that is the result. and bbbe beb— that that is the result. and bbbe meb tueb— that that is the result. and it's not just the— that that is the result. and it's not just the conservatives. i it's not just the conservatives. b meeb— it's not just the conservatives. b bbeb-e— it's not just the conservatives. i mean, that's a— it's not just the conservatives. i mean, that's a policy going beuee— i mean, that's a policy going because productivity is a massive problem too, and has been— massive problem too, and has been ber— massive problem too, and has been ber e— massive problem too, and has been ber e were— massive problem too, and has been for a very long time in bbbe— been for a very long time in bbbe eeumbre. — been for a very long time in bbbeeeumbre. — been for a very long time in this country. i'm- been for a very long time in this country. gt] 9 been for a very long time in this country. grir g this country. i'm going to mention the b word because i don't think we could ignore that. that has changed our economy . well, to what extent economy. well, to what extent and which is which has been more damaging. the constant strike action or brexit? well i don't even put brexit in the bracket of causing damage to the economy. brexit, if it had been eeme— economy. brexit, if it had been eeme breberbe— economy. brexit, if it had been done properly, would- f brexit, if it had been done properly, would have given the government— done properly, would have given the government the opportunity to the government the opportunity be eereeubebe— the government the opportunity to deregulate and make policy for to deregulate and make policy ber brbbbeb— to deregulate and make policy for british national interest. we for british national interest. we bewem-b— for british national interest. we haven't actually got brexit. wbeb— we haven't actually got brexit. wbeb wewe— we haven't actually got brexit. wbeb eeb— we haven't actually got brexit. what we've got is— we haven't actually got brexit. what we've got is all the reeubebbem— what we've got is all the regulation that we had before we left regulation that we had before we bebb bbe — regulation that we had before we bebb bbe bu— regulation that we had before we left the eu without any of the bemebbbe— left the eu without any of the bemebbbe eb— left the eu without any of the benefits of being— left the eu without any of the benefits of being part of the eu emb— benefits of being part of the eu and we've left— benefits of being part of the eu and we've left northern ireland bebbmb— and we've left northern ireland bebbmb se— and we've left northern ireland behind. so what— and we've left northern ireland behind. so what it's not brexit.

bbe— behind. so what it's not brexit. the withdrawal— behind. so what it's not brexit. the withdrawal agreement and the breee— the withdrawal agreement and the breee eme— the withdrawal agreement and the trade and cooperation agreement bbem-b— trade and cooperation agreement bbem-b eebbwer— trade and cooperation agreement didn't deliver an— trade and cooperation agreement didn't deliver an independent umbee— didn't deliver an independent united kingdom. so i don't blame eemb.— united kingdom. so i don't blame brexbb. wbeb— united kingdom. so i don't blame brexbb. wbeb b— united kingdom. so i don't blame brexit. what i do— united kingdom. so i don't blame brexit. what i do blame is bebbee— brexit. what i do blame is failed economic- brexit. what i do blame is failed economic policy for, as you— failed economic policy for, as eeu membe— failed economic policy for, as you rightly save— failed economic policy for, as you rightly say, dennis, even bebere— you rightly say, dennis, even bebere bbe— you rightly say, dennis, even before the last— you rightly say, dennis, even before the last 13 years. and it rebee— before the last 13 years. and it rebbee beme— before the last 13 years. and it relies hence a— before the last 13 years. and it relies hence a continual rebbemee— relies hence a continual rebbemee em— relies hence a continual reliance on cheap labour eberebme— reliance on cheap labour eberebme e— reliance on cheap labour operating a kind of third world eememe— operating a kind of third world economy . cheap— operating a kind of third world economy . cheap labour employ economy. cheap labour employ beeue,— economy. cheap labour employ more people, create the widgets the more people, create the widgets bbe wee— more people, create the widgets bbe wee beee-we— more people, create the widgets the way they've always been ereebebb— the way they've always been ereebebb meb— the way they've always been created, not upskill, don't eubemebe— created, not upskill, don't eubemebe ,— created, not upskill, don't automate , which is all a luxury, automate, which is all a luxury, by automate, which is all a luxury, be bbe— automate, which is all a luxury, be bbe wee— automate, which is all a luxury, be bbe wee eb— automate, which is all a luxury, by the way, of rampant immigration.- by the way, of rampant immigration. you know you can do bbeb— immigration. you know you can do bbeb bb— immigration. you know you can do bbeb bb eeue— immigration. you know you can do bbeb bb eeuwe eeb— immigration. you know you can do that if you've got rampant immigration.— that if you've got rampant immigration. and that's what bee— immigration. and that's what we've had over— immigration. and that's what we've had over the last well, beuee— we've had over the last well, because people _ we've had over the last well, because people odd years, people say because people odd years, people eee we— because people odd years, people eee we meet— because people odd years, people eee we need be— because people odd years, people say we need to have more bmmberembe— say we need to have more immigrants to— say we need to have more immigrants to boost productivity. c : c immigrants to boost- productivity. it doesn't does immigrants to boost— productivity. it doesn't does it actually prevent business from adopting more productive policies ? it makes large policies? it makes large businesses— policies? it makes large businesses in— rt. , it makes large businesses in particular rather beze— businesses in particular rather lazy- mee— businesses in particular rather lazy- bbee rebe— businesses in particular rather lazy. they rely on— businesses in particular rather lazy. they rely on cheap labour. wbeb— lazy. they rely on cheap labour. wbeb eeu— lazy. they rely on cheap labour. wbeb eeu meeb— lazy. they rely on cheap labour. what you need is— lazy. they rely on cheap labour. what you need is to educate the brbbbeb— what you need is to educate the british workforce, _ what you need is to educate the british workforce, upskill the brbbbeb— british workforce, upskill the

british workforce, upskill the british workforce and automate our manufacturing processes. all rbebb. — our manufacturing processes. all rbebb. bbb— our manufacturing processes. all rbebb. b-bb beb— our manufacturing processes. all right. i'll let dennis come in bbere— right. i'll let dennis come in bbere were— right. i'll let dennis come in bbere were were— right. i'll let dennis come in there very, very simply. �*ifrbb”ri:r“rg there very, very simply. wrong. wreng. sbmbbe— there very, very simply. �*ifrbb”ri:r“rg 3 simply because there very, very simply. �*ifrbb”ri:r“rg �*ifrbb”ri:r“rg simply because the most wrong. simply because the most webuebbwe— wrong. simply because the most breeuebbwe, bbe— �*ifrbb”ri:r“rg simply because the most productive, the highest productivity— productive, the highest productivity in europe is in switzerland,— productivity in europe is in switzerland, where 27% of the bebubebbem— switzerland, where 27% of the bebubebbem wee— switzerland, where 27% of the population was born in europe. bbee-re— population was born in europe. bbee-re beb— population was born in europe. they're not frightened of the b—were. — they're not frightened of the i—word. forget— they're not frightened of the i—word. forget the e word bmmberembe— i—word. forget the e word bmmberembe .— i—word. forget the e word immigrants. ditto to a lesser exbemb— immigrants. ditto to a lesser extent germany.— immigrants. ditto to a lesser extent germany. you can have high— extent germany. you can have high productivity— extent germany. you can have high productivity and have necessary increases in a eembrebbee— necessary increases in a controlled way- necessary increases in a controlled way of the immigrant werbberee— controlled way of the immigrant werbberee . — controlled way of the immigrant workforce . but— controlled way of the immigrant workforce . but do— controlled way of the immigrant workforce . r:rir workforce. but do you think that some corporations have relied on cheap labour for too long? i mean , we do remember how quickly mean, we do remember how quickly there was a massive influx from eastern europe in particular, taking overwhelmingly low paid jobs. sure if i was a business owner, i'd be like, oh, well, you know, i can get someone to do the same job. i don't need to upgrade my systems. i can just, you know, pay. i will remember one of the last elections i campaigned in on a working class estate and a day. and estate and a sunny day. and there was a guy in his-

and there was a guy in his back eereem— there was a guy in his back gardenla_ there was a guy in his back garden a council house, which garden of a council house, which i'm garden of a council house, which b-m eue— garden of a council house, which b-m be— garden of a council house, which i'm sure he bought.— garden of a council house, which i'm sure he bought. that's emebber— i'm sure he bought. that's another problem our housing another problem with our housing eeebem — another problem with our housing eeebem be— another problem with our housing eeebem be ee— another problem with our housing system is so awful.— another problem with our housing system is so awful. we now have brbbbe— system is so awful. we now have wrwbwe ebebbme— system is so awful. we now have nimbys stopping housebuilding. we nimbys stopping housebuilding. we—eme— nimbys stopping housebuilding. we—eme breber- we don't have any proper bbemme— we don't have any proper planning permissions. sold planning permissions. we sold off planning permissions. we sold ebb ebb— planning permissions. we sold ebb ebb bbe— planning permissions. we sold off all the housing stock. we bbeb-b— off all the housing stock. we didn't—housesi off all the housing stock. we. didn't—houses for didn't build any new houses for beerbe— didn't build any new houses for beerbe bere— didn't build any new houses for poorly paid people. anyway, this guy's— poorly paid people. anyway, this euebe bbere— poorly paid people. anyway, this euebe bbere wbbb— poorly paid people. anyway, this guy's there with his son smoking a guy's there with his son smoking e remb— guy's there with his son smoking e temb er— guy's there with his son smoking a joint or drinking— guy's there with his son smoking a joint or drinking beers in the beeb— a joint or drinking beers in the beeb eb— a joint or drinking beers in the beeb eb bbe— a joint or drinking beers in the back of the garden . and he back of the garden. and he says, webb— back of the garden. and he says, webb-beb— back of the garden. and he says, well,-not-labour,- back of the garden. and he says, well, not labour, mr. well, i'm not voting labour, mr. weesbebe.— well, i'm not voting labour, mr. macshane-let- well, i'm not voting labour, mr. macshane.-let all- well, i'm not voting labour, mr. macshane. let all them macshane. you've let all them bmmbereme— macshane. you've let all them immigrants-said,- macshane. you've let all them immigrants said, yeah, but immigrants in. i said, yeah, but bbee-re— immigrants in. i said, yeah, but bbeebre eemme— immigrants in. i said, yeah, but they're coming here to do the werb— they're coming here to do the werb m— they're coming here to do the work in rotherham hospital they're coming here to do the work yorkshire ham hospital they're coming here to do the work yorkshire windowsbital they're coming here to do the work yorkshire windows .:al they're coming here to do the work yorkshire windows . il they're coming here to do the work yorkshire windows . i mean, from yorkshire windows. i mean, our from yorkshire windows. i mean, beebbe— from yorkshire windows. i mean, beebbe web-b— from yorkshire windows. i mean, our people won't do that work. he our people won't do that work. be eebe,— our people won't do that work. he said, you're— our people won't do that work. he said, you're right. they will if i he said, you're right. they will bb b eeb-b— he said, you're right. they will bb b eeb-b eeb— he said, you're right. they will if i can't get in,— he said, you're right. they will if i can't get in, hang out. bene— if i can't get in, hang out. beee erb— if i can't get in, hang out. hang err b— if i can't get in, hang out. hang on i can't- if i can't get in, hang out. hang on i can't get him out to do hang on i can't get him out to be e— hang on i can't get him out to be e bee-e— hang on i can't get him out to do a day's work. _ hang on i can't get him out to do a day's work. ” do a day's work. the labour government absolutely, massively grew the welfare state which led to many people taking a life on benefits rather than working. so i think, you know, it's a bit back to front. it depends which way you look at it. i mean, the berrebbbe— way you look at it. i mean, the benefits culture _ way you look at it. i mean, the benefits culture is— c i mean, the benefits culture is becoming embebbeb— benefits culture is becoming embedded and— benefits culture is becoming embedded and it is embedded. it's embedded and it is embedded. bbbe were— embedded and it is embedded. it's very dangerous . and the it's very dangerous. and the bb— it's very dangerous. and the bb be— it's very dangerous. and the reason it is, is— it's very dangerous. and the

reason it is, is because it beeeb-b— reason it is, is because it eeeemb bee— reason it is, is because it doesn't pay to- reason it is, is because it doesn't pay to work. you know, bbe— doesn't pay to work. you know, bbe beb— doesn't pay to work. you know, bbe reeb ebber— doesn't pay to work. you know, the net after tax— doesn't pay to work. you know, the net after tax wage , you get the net after tax wage, you get on the net after tax wage, you get err bbe— the net after tax wage, you get on the median— the net after tax wage, you get on the median wage, which is ereub— on the median wage, which is around 30,000,— on the median wage, which is around 30,000, is— on the median wage, which is around 30,000, is not hugely bbeebmbber— around 30,000, is not hugely dissimilar to— around 30,000, is not hugely dissimilar to what you'd get on berrebbbe— dissimilar to what you'd get on benefits. and— dissimilar to what you'd get on benefits. and you— dissimilar to what you'd get on benefits. and you see that in bbe— benefits. and you see that in the statistics— benefits. and you see that in the statistics before lockdowns, 3 the statistics before lockdowns, e mbbbbem— the statistics before lockdowns, 3 million people— the statistics before lockdowns, 3 million people were on some berm— 3 million people were on some berm eb— 3 million people were on some form of universal— 3 million people were on some form of universal credit or emebber— form of universal credit or errebber .— form of universal credit or another. now— form of universal credit or another . now there are another. now there are stubbornly— another. now there are stubbornly ,- another. now there are stubbornly , for the last three stubbornly, for the last three eee— stubbornly, for the last three years, stubbornly around 6 muber,— years, stubbornly around 6 million, just— years, stubbornly around 6 million, just under 6 million on umwereeb— million, just under 6 million on universal credit. _ million, just under 6 million on universal credit. that is 20% of the workforce _ universal credit. that is 20% of the workforce .— universal credit. that is 20% of the workforce . that is an the workforce. that is an unsustainable- the workforce. that is an unsustainable position for the eeurrbre— unsustainable position for the eeumre. amb— unsustainable position for the country. and what the chancellor eeebe— country. and what the chancellor beebe be— country. and what the chancellor needs to recognise— country. and what the chancellor needs to recognise is that if he webbe— needs to recognise is that if he werebe beebbe— needs to recognise is that if he wants people back in the workforce,— wants people back in the workforce, he's- wants people back in the workforce, he's got to cut beee— workforce, he's got to cut beee be-e— workforce, he's got to cut taxes, he's got- workforce, he's got to cut taxes, he's got to increase bber— taxes, he's got to increase their weight,— taxes, he's got to increase their weight, it's got to pay to werb— their weight, it's got to pay to werb emb— their weight, it's got to pay to work and instead— their weight, it's got to pay to work and instead more and more beebbe— work and instead more and more beebbe ere— work and instead more and more beebbe being— work and instead more and more people are being brought into tax people are being brought into bee emb— people are being brought into bee emb bbem— people are being brought into tax and then into the higher bbreebebee— tax and then into the higher thresholds just— tax and then into the higher thresholds just generally very eubebbe— thresholds just generally very eubebbe .— thresholds just generally very quicklyrverv_ thresholds just generally very quickly , very simple. thresholds just generally very quickly , very simple. beee; thresholds just generally very quickly , very simple. flabby r:ri:r“ c quickly, very simple. why don't we tubb— quickly, very simple. why don't we just look at our neighbours, look at ireland, which now has twice level of gdp twice the level of gdp per capha twice the level of gdp per capita that we have off the corporation tax rate . very happy corporation tax rate. very happy to accept all those points, but quite social security

quite a good social security network. look at germany, look at just learn. you don't have to adopt an eu line. germany's not just learn , learn from just learn, learn, learn from best. at the us for best. look at the us for productivity is much higher. how are doing? it's not just are they doing? it's not just tax. solutions tax. these one club solutions have been always comes up with i love him, but but dennis we've got taxation at a post world war two high we've got borrowing at a post world war two high. these are massive figures. do these are massive figures. d0 eeu— these are massive figures. d0 eeu bbew— these are massive figures. d0 eeu bnew wbeb— these are massive figures. do you know what would - these are massive figures. do you know what would make me more productive? i think it would make a lot of people more productive, they more productive, as if they saw more of their in their payslip of their money in their payslip at end of the month. i, i at the end of the month. i, i genuinely do believe people would got to would work harder if they got to keep of their money. that's keep more of their money. that's just that's how just how that's how that's how we work. that's what the unions we work. that's what the unions we-meembwe, — that's what the unions we incentive, aspiration we need incentive, aspiration emb— we need incentive, aspiration and motivation _ we need incentive, aspiration and motivation that comes and motivation and that comes wbbb— and motivation and that comes wbbb-e— and motivation and that comes wbbb-e bbeeer- and motivation and that comes with a bigger payslip with a with a bigger payslip i bbmb. — with a with a bigger payslip i think. -perhaps- with a with a bigger payslip i think. -perhaps i'ml think. anyway, perhaps i'm wrong. me know home if wrong. let me know at home if you agree. thank very you agree. thank you very much indeed of ben habib indeed to both of you. ben habib and mcshane. now i am and dennis mcshane. now i am going to what are we doing? this is gb news sunday. with me, emily carville. we have lots more coming up on today's show.

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welcome back. you are watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv, online and digital radio. now, before the break, we had a debate with ben habib and dennis mcshane, and jane morgan has got in touch with me. she says to your guest, who said there aren't many apprenticeships, he is so wrong. i'm 47 years old,

halfway through a podiatry apprenticeship, and i'm aware of many health care pathways alone . apprenticeships . just look for apprenticeships on the.gov website. well, there you go . denis macshane you're you go. denis macshane you're wrong on apprenticeships. they're there. if you they're out there. if you want to get your on them, to get your hands on them, apparently. much. apparently. thank you very much. please do keep your comments coming on any of the coming through on any of the topics discussing topics we're discussing today. but to talk but first we're going to talk about the coronation. it is about at the coronation. it is the countdown to coronation, the countdown to the coronation, of course. could it all of course. but could it all be in vain? a report warns the in vain? a new report warns the royal family is in quotes on the bnnk royal family is in quotes on the brink of collapse. and in danger of abolishing itself . if the of abolishing itself. if the civitas report claims the king risks becoming too distant from the nation after a drop off in the nation after a drop off in the number of public engagements . so joining me now is royal .so joining me now is royal commentator richard fitzwilliams . richard, hi. thank you very much indeed forjoining me this much indeed for joining me this afternoon . so what do you make afternoon. so what do you make of report ? are royals of this report? are the royals letting public , letting down the public, becoming too distant ? well, i becoming too distant? well, i think that this— becoming too distant? well, i think that this report- f “g r: , well, i think that this report has some were— think that this report has some very significant— think that this report has some very significant material in it. it very significant material in it. bb bee— very significant material in it. bb bee beeu—

very significant material in it. bb bee beem e— very significant material in it. it has been a bit— it has been a bit oversensationalized. we it has been a bit— oversensationalized. we know bbeb— oversensationalized. we know bbebbemeuebe— oversensationalized. we know that famously the queen always ueeb — that famously the queen always ueeb be — that famously the queen always ueeb be eee— that famously the queen always ueeb be eee .— that famously the queen always ueeb be save b— that famously the queen always used to say , i must be seen to used to say, i must be seen to be bebeweb— used to say, i must be seen to be bebeweb .— used to say, i must be seen to be believed . and— used to say, i must be seen to be believed . and obviously the be believed. and obviously the reeebe— be believed. and obviously the reeebe ere-b— be believed. and obviously the royals aren't going to, so to eeeeb— royals aren't going to, so to speak, disappear. but the wemme— speak, disappear. but the warning here— speak, disappear. but the warning here is something that bwe— warning here is something that be been— warning here is something that i've been following for quite bbme— i've been following for quite bbme .— i've been following for quite some time , because it's been some time, because it's been ebwbeue— some time, because it's been ebwbeue bbe— some time, because it's been obvious the royal— some time, because it's been obvious the royal family tended to obvious the royal family tended be be— obvious the royal family tended to do something— obvious the royal family tended to do something like 3003 to 400 erreeeemerrbe— to do something like 3003 to 400 erreeeememe. bbbe— to do something like 3003 to 400 engagements. it's every year. they— engagements. it's every year. bbee wee— engagements. it's every year. they were attached to something like they were attached to something bbbe ebee— they were attached to something like 3000 institutions, charities— like 3000 institutions, charities ,_ like 3000 institutions, charities , etcetera. now, the charities, etcetera. now, the brebbem — charities, etcetera. now, the brebbem bee— charities, etcetera. now, the problem has been that when he bbeb— problem has been that when he bbeb .— problem has been that when he bbeb , bbbe— problem has been that when he died , philip was— problem has been that when he died , philip was attached to died, philip was attached to ebe.— died, philip was attached to bbe- wbeb— died, philip was attached to 750. when she— died, philip was attached to 750. when she died, the queen beeb— 750. when she died, the queen beeb er— 750. when she died, the queen took over 500. _ 750. when she died, the queen took over 500. king charles as bbme— took over 500. king charles as brmee eb— took over 500. king charles as prince of wales— took over 500. king charles as prince of wales had over 400. amb— prince of wales had over 400. abe andrew,— prince of wales had over 400. and andrew, when— prince of wales had over 400. and andrew, when he stepped down in and andrew, when he stepped down m bbeereee— and andrew, when he stepped down m disgracer beb— and andrew, when he stepped down in disgrace, had something like 220— in disgrace, had something like no er— in disgrace, had something like no er ee— in disgrace, had something like 220 or some such— in disgrace, had something like 220 or some such . the problem is 220 or some such. the problem is bbeb— 220 or some such. the problem is bbeb bbere— 220 or some such. the problem is bbeb bbere ere— 220 or some such. the problem is that there are too— 220 or some such. the problem is that there are too few working

reeebe— that there are too few working royals because _ that there are too few working royals because we've seen the sussexes stepping down. and andrew,— sussexes stepping down. and andrew, eb— sussexes stepping down. and andrew, of course , stepping down andrew, of course, stepping down in andrew, of course, stepping down m bbeereee— andrew, of course, stepping down m ebeereee. bbe— andrew, of course, stepping down in disgrace. the problem also is bbeb— in disgrace. the problem also is bbeb bbeee— in disgrace. the problem also is that those who— in disgrace. the problem also is that those who are— in disgrace. the problem also is that those who are working, brmeeee— that those who are working, princess alexander and the duke of princess alexander and the duke eb bem— princess alexander and the duke eb bem ere— princess alexander and the duke eb bem m— princess alexander and the duke of kent are in their— princess alexander and the duke of kent are in their 80 seconds. bbe— of kent are in their 80 seconds. bbe bube— of kent are in their 80 seconds. bbe bube emb— of kent are in their 80 seconds. the duke and duchess of gloucester— the duke and duchess of gloucester in— the duke and duchess of gloucester in their 70 seconds. bwere— gloucester in their 70 seconds. bweb bbe— gloucester in their 70 seconds. even the indefatigable princess beeeb— even the indefatigable princess beeeb be— even the indefatigable princess beeeb be er— even the indefatigable princess royal is over 70. _ even the indefatigable princess royal is over 70. and of course, bbe— royal is over 70. and of course, bbe king— royal is over 70. and of course, bbe king emb— royal is over 70. and of course, the king and queen. so this is a ebbuebbem— the king and queen. so this is a situation where— the king and queen. so this is a situation where there are not bbeb— situation where there are not be number— situation where there are not that number of— situation where there are not that number of young working reeebe— that number of young working reeebe ene— that number of young working reeebe ene bb— that number of young working royals and if you're looking to the royals and if you're looking to me bubure— royals and if you're looking to the future in— royals and if you're looking to the future in 20— royals and if you're looking to the future in 20 years, assuming bbeb— the future in 20 years, assuming bneb bbe— the future in 20 years, assuming that the children _ the future in 20 years, assuming that the children of the prince ene— that the children of the prince and princess— that the children of the prince and princess of— that the children of the prince and princess of wales , sir and princess of wales, sir eeebe— and princess of wales, sir george, charlotte and louis are beme— george, charlotte and louis are doing reeeb— george, charlotte and louis are doing royal engagements and bernebe— doing royal engagements and bernebe bnebr— doing royal engagements and perhaps their spouses, the number— perhaps their spouses, the number would— perhaps their spouses, the number would pick up. but ebeerbe— number would pick up. but ebeerbe bbbe— number would pick up. but clearly this is— number would pick up. but clearly this is highlighted a brebbem — clearly this is highlighted a brebbem m— clearly this is highlighted a problem in the— clearly this is highlighted a problem in the short term . problem in the short term. so bee— problem in the short term. so bee mueb— problem in the short term. so too much work— problem in the short term. so too much work too— problem in the short term. so too much work too and- problem in the short term. too much work too and few working royals is the issue . it working royals is the issue. it does make me think it is such a shame that the sussexes have gone the way they've gone

because there is a huge pressure there, isn't there, on the cambridges? well, on prince. prince william and kate to now step up and take on more and more and more of these types of pubuc more and more of these types of public engagements , which i public engagements, which i would argue probably is actually quite tiring work. would argue probably is actually quite tiring work . erg oh, it is quite tiring work. erg oh, it is indeed what the cambridges prefer, what the prince and the wales prefer to do is to concentrate on on far fewer. i think william has something like bnree— think william has something like bnree bezen— think william has something like three dozen catherine's eemebnbne— three dozen catherine's something like two dozen enerbbbee— something like two dozen charities that— something like two dozen charities that are attached to ene— charities that are attached to and numerically— charities that are attached to and numerically they are less bnen— and numerically they are less bnen ebner— and numerically they are less than other members of the royal bembbe— than other members of the royal bembbe. be— than other members of the royal rembbe. be euen— than other members of the royal family. as such as— than other members of the royal family. as such as ,_ than other members of the royal family. as such as , for example, family. as such as, for example, the family. as such as, for example, be brbneeee— family. as such as, for example, the princess royal— family. as such as, for example, the princess royal or the duke ene— the princess royal or the duke ene bueneee— the princess royal or the duke and duchess of— the princess royal or the duke and duchess of edinburgh. that's bewerb— and duchess of edinburgh. that's bbwerb ene— and duchess of edinburgh. that's edward and sophie. but they do muen— edward and sophie. but they do much more and— edward and sophie. but they do much more and a— edward and sophie. but they do much more and a tremendous eeum— much more and a tremendous eeunb ber— much more and a tremendous eeunb ber bbe— much more and a tremendous amount for the profile of those enerbbbee— amount for the profile of those charities that— amount for the profile of those charities that they are involved in charities that they are involved bn ber— charities that they are involved in for example,— charities that they are involved in for example, catherine and the in for example, catherine and me eerbe— in for example, catherine and

the early years,— in for example, catherine and the early years, william and benbeb— the early years, william and mental health— the early years, william and mental health ,_ the early years, william and mental health , the earthshot mental health, the earthshot bbbe— mental health, the earthshot brbze ene— mental health, the earthshot brbze ene ee— mental health, the earthshot prize and so forth. so it's a eueebben— prize and so forth. so it's a eueebben eb— prize and so forth. so it's a question of them probably doing numerbeebbe— question of them probably doing numerically quite— question of them probably doing numerically quite a few more. bub— numerically quite a few more. bub bbe— numerically quite a few more. but the problem— numerically quite a few more. but the problem also is could ebner— but the problem also is could ebner reeebe— but the problem also is could ebner reeebe .— but the problem also is could other royals , lady louise other royals, lady louise wbneeer,— other royals, lady louise windsor, could she one day do reeeb— windsor, could she one day do reeeb bubbeeb— windsor, could she one day do royal duties? the— windsor, could she one day do royal duties? the obvious enebeee— royal duties? the obvious choices would— royal duties? the obvious choices would be princess beebrbee— choices would be princess beatrice and— choices would be princess beatrice and princess eugenie. bub— beatrice and princess eugenie. bub bbe— beatrice and princess eugenie. but the problem— beatrice and princess eugenie. but the problem there is, of bbe— but the problem there is, of course, the york— but the problem there is, of course, the york brand is toxic. bbere — course, the york brand is toxic. bbere bbe— course, the york brand is toxic. there the daughters of the duke of there the daughters of the duke eb verb. — there the daughters of the duke eb verb. anu— there the daughters of the duke of york. and we've— there the daughters of the duke of york. . “r: i“ r:c. of york. and we've seen quite just lastly, we've seen quite a lot. we see it quite regularly polling on how the younger generations feel about the royal family has it always been the case that younger people have been sceptical of the role the monarchy should play or have things changed in recent years ? things changed in recent years? there does seem to be an extraordinary level of backlash . dumas yes, i'm afraid so. and you're right that there- . dumas yes, i'm afraid so. and you're right that there was- you're right that there was

ebweee— you're right that there was ebweee been— you're right that there was always been more scepticism emene— always been more scepticism emene bbe— always been more scepticism among the young, and i think bbeb-e— among the young, and i think bneb-e be— among the young, and i think bneb-e be be— among the young, and i think that's to be expected. but the menerene-e— that's to be expected. but the monarchy's polling has generally been— monarchy's polling has generally been ebeub— monarchy's polling has generally been about 70%_ monarchy's polling has generally been about 70% in— monarchy's polling has generally been about 70% in favour. and ebee— been about 70% in favour. and ebee eeue— been about 70% in favour. and also you've had— been about 70% in favour. and also you've had a— been about 70% in favour. and also you've had a republican mewemem eb— also you've had a republican movement of something like 20 bbue— movement of something like 20 bbue mbnuebe— movement of something like 20 plus minus% what we've seen ee— plus minus% what we've seen bbe— plus minus% what we've seen since the oprah— plus minus% what we've seen since the oprah interview , which since the oprah interview, which berre— since the oprah interview, which berre ene— since the oprah interview, which harry and meghan— since the oprah interview, which harry and meghan gave , it was so harry and meghan gave, it was so eeebruebbwe— harry and meghan gave, it was so destructive because— harry and meghan gave, it was so destructive because now in the 18 destructive because now in the be be— destructive because now in the be be be— destructive because now in the be be ze eee— destructive because now in the 18 to 24 age group, there is a meterbbe— 18 to 24 age group, there is a metenbe m— 18 to 24 age group, there is a majority in quite— 18 to 24 age group, there is a majority in quite a substantial bbeb— majority in quite a substantial me be— majority in quite a substantial me be e— majority in quite a substantial one that is a very— majority in quite a substantial one that is a very or appears to be eeebneb— one that is a very or appears to be eeebneb bbe— one that is a very or appears to be against the monarchy or there eerbebnbe— be against the monarchy or there certainly indifferent the point bbeb— certainly indifferent the point be r— certainly indifferent the point be r weube— certainly indifferent the point that i would put— certainly indifferent the point that i would put to them is you mbenb— that i would put to them is you mbenb neb— that i would put to them is you mbenb neb eb— that i would put to them is you might not at this— that i would put to them is you might not at this moment in time eubberb— might not at this moment in time eubben bbe— might not at this moment in time support the monarchy, but what weube— support the monarchy, but what weube eeu— support the monarchy, but what would you like— support the monarchy, but what would you like as— support the monarchy, but what would you like as an alternative?- would you like as an alternative? and that they they brebebbe— alternative? and that they they brebebbe een-b— alternative? and that they they probably can't answer that eueebben— probably can't answer that eueebben. — probably can't answer that question. very- probably can't answer that question. «c13 probably can't answer that question. «rig probably can't answer that question. very well. thank you very much indeed. sorry to cut you off a little bit there. richard fitzwilliams, royal commentator, still to come, the government's plan to kerb houday government's plan to kerb holiday lets in tourism hotspots has divided opinion. is it a win

for local communities or are the plans anti—business ? but first, plans anti—business? but first, before we get stuck into that, let's get the news with arron armstrong . it is 132. good armstrong. it is 132. good afternoon to you- . g c 25:21 good afternoon to you from the g c 25:21 good afternoon to you from the gb newsroom the _ afternoon to you from the gb newsroom the royal college of burebne— newsroom the royal college of burebne nee— newsroom the royal college of nursing has criticised the government— nursing has criticised the government for refusing to budge on government for refusing to budge en bbe— government for refusing to budge en bbe bee— government for refusing to budge en bbe bee ebber— government for refusing to budge en bbe bee ebber .— government for refusing to budge on its pay offer . the health on its pay offer. the health seerebere— on its pay offer. the health secretary sent— on its pay offer. the health secretary sent a— on its pay offer. the health secretary sent a letter to the unbene-bnbe- secretary sent a letter to the unions this morning unions leader this morning eueeeebbne— unions leader this morning suggesting nurses should accept wbeb— suggesting nurses should accept wneblebebme— suggesting nurses should accept what-claims is— suggesting nurses should accept what.claims is a— suggesting nurses should accept what claims is a reasonable what he claims is a reasonable ene— what he claims is a reasonable ene beb— what he claims is a reasonable and fair deal— what he claims is a reasonable and fair deal .— what he claims is a reasonable and fair deal. on— what he claims is a reasonable and fair deal. on friday, bneuen— and fair deal. on friday, though, members rejected a 5% pay though, members rejected a 5% bee ree— though, members rejected a 5% bee ene— though, members rejected a 5% pay rise and announced a 48 hour webbeub— pay rise and announced a 48 hour webbeub bbeb— pay rise and announced a 48 hour walkout that will— pay rise and announced a 48 hour walkout that will start on the eebn — walkout that will start on the eebn eb— walkout that will start on the eebn eb bbbe— walkout that will start on the 30th of this month. the chs eenereb— 30th of this month. the chs general secretary, pat cullen , general secretary, pat cullen, eeee— general secretary, pat cullen, eeee wbbb— general secretary, pat cullen, eeee wbbn e— general secretary, pat cullen, says with a depleted workforce , says with a depleted workforce, mrebe— says with a depleted workforce, mrebe nee— says with a depleted workforce, morale has been— says with a depleted workforce, morale has been incredibly low for morale has been incredibly low ber eeere— morale has been incredibly low ber eeere .— morale has been incredibly low ber eeere . ane— morale has been incredibly low for years . and steve barclay's for years. and steve barclay's ebber— for years. and steve barclay's ebber beee— for years. and steve barclay's offer does not— for years. and steve barclay's offer does not go— for years. and steve barclay's offer does not go far enough . offer does not go far enough. bew— offer does not go far enough. bew emerb— offer does not go far enough. new smart motorways are being benneeb— new smart motorways are being bennebb wbbb— new smart motorways are being banned, with the— new smart motorways are being banned, with the prime minister eebnewbeeebne— banned, with the prime minister acknowledging concerns over eebebe— acknowledging concerns over eebebe ene— acknowledging concerns over safety and cost— acknowledging concerns over safety and cost .— acknowledging concerns over safety and cost . 14 planned safety and cost. 14 planned erer-eebe— safety and cost. 14 planned erer-eebe newe— safety and cost. 14 planned projects have been cancelled and

exbebbne— projects have been cancelled and existing stretches— projects have been cancelled and existing stretches will be made eeber— existing stretches will be made safer. campaigners are welcoming the safer. campaigners are welcoming me me— safer. campaigners are welcoming bne bub— safer. campaigners are welcoming bne bub ee— safer. campaigners are welcoming the move, but are demanding the rebum— the move, but are demanding the eburn eb— the move, but are demanding the eburn eb bere— the move, but are demanding the return of hard shoulders to exbebbne— return of hard shoulders to existing smart— return of hard shoulders to existing smart motorways . animal existing smart motorways. animal rbenbe— existing smart motorways. animal rights activists— existing smart motorways. animal rights activists are— existing smart motorways. animal rights activists are calling for jump— rights activists are calling for tumb reebne— rights activists are calling for tumb reebne be— rights activists are calling for jump racing to be banned after bnree— jump racing to be banned after bnree nreee— jump racing to be banned after three horses died— jump racing to be banned after three horses died at the grand bebbeneb— three horses died at the grand national festival. _ three horses died at the grand national festival. 118 people were arrested _ national festival. 118 people were arrested for disrupting the even— were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday,— were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday, slightly eebeebne— event yesterday, slightly delaying the _ event yesterday, slightly delaying the start of the race. in delaying the start of the race. bn e— delaying the start of the race. in a statement,— delaying the start of the race. in a statement, the british bereereebne— in a statement, the british horseracing authority robustly eenbemnee— horseracing authority robustly condemned the _ horseracing authority robustly condemned the action and says it's investigating— condemned the action and says it's investigating what caused the fatalities _ it's investigating what caused the fatalities .— it's investigating what caused the fatalities . thousands of the fatalities. thousands of ermeb— the fatalities. thousands of armed forces,— the fatalities. thousands of armed forces, veterans and nhs wrereb— armed forces, veterans and nhs wrereb wbbb— armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get— armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get to _ armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get to watch the eerenebren — workers will get to watch the coronation from _ workers will get to watch the coronation from a special wbewbne— coronation from a special viewing platform in front of buebbnenem — viewing platform in front of buckingham palace. they'll get a bee— buckingham palace. they'll get a ebeee ub— buckingham palace. they'll get a ebeee ub wew— buckingham palace. they'll get a close up view of— buckingham palace. they'll get a close up view of key moments on the close up view of key moments on me ebb— close up view of key moments on me ebb eb— close up view of key moments on me ebb eb bee— close up view of key moments on the 6th of may, including the breebeeeene— the 6th of may, including the processions, the _ the 6th of may, including the processions, the appearance of the processions, the appearance of me beeeb— processions, the appearance of the royal family— processions, the appearance of the royal family on the balcony and the royal family on the balcony ene e— the royal family on the balcony ene e bbe—beeb— the royal family on the balcony ene e bbe—beeb be— the royal family on the balcony and a fly—past by the armed bree — and a fly—past by the armed forces. 3800— and a fly—past by the armed forces. 3800 seats will be ewebbebbe— forces. 3800 seats will be available in— forces. 3800 seats will be available in the grandstand at the available in the grandstand at me eueen— available in the grandstand at the queen victoria memorial for bubbe— the queen victoria memorial for public servants— the queen victoria memorial for public servants .— the queen victoria memorial for public servants . the culture public servants. the culture eeerebere— public servants. the culture eeerebere eeee— public servants. the culture secretary says it's a mark of bbe— secretary says it's a mark of me nebben-e— secretary says it's a mark of the nation's profound found

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not necessary? we reinstate them immediately before more people are injured or killed? well, that sounds a little bit too much like common sense, perhaps. dennis smart motorways are dennis says smart motorways are initially a very good solution to utilising the available road space. unfortunately, the main issue and drawback is that there are insufficient refuge areas . are insufficient refuge areas. there you in cases of there you go. in cases of breakdowns, surely the answer would provide safe would be to provide more safe areas that would alleviate the worries that drivers have worries that most drivers have of these motorways . and of using these motorways. and william has to say how many dual carriageways have a hard shoulder? what is the difference? should we scrap dual carriageways? if you ask me the criticisms of smart motorways is unfair. well, there you go. someone to defend the smart motorways. they have been getting a huge amount of bad press, perhaps unfairly , if press, perhaps unfairly, if you're william. anyway, we please do keep your views coming in and subscribe to our youtube channel while you're at it. that's at gb views. news now moving on, trouble at the bbc once again. it has been reported this morning that some of the bbc's top presenters have

received voluntary redundancy letters as the corporation attempts to cut costs. costs big names who have been asked to step down include hugh edwards, who earned upwards of £400,000 last year. this comes amid a reorganisation of the bbc. but it's been claimed by mr. edwards himself that the invitation to consider leaving the broadcaster is simply a standard hr exercise. nothing to see here is what he's saying. so joining me now to analyse this a little more is rebecca ryan, who is the campaign director at defund the bbc. thank you very much, rebecca, for joining me. what were your first thoughts when you this story ? i'm the you saw this story? i'm the first thoughts— you saw this story? i'm the first thoughts are - you saw this story? i'm the first thoughts are as- first thoughts are as rearranging the deckchairs on the rearranging the deckchairs on me bbbenbe. — rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic. you— rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic. v/ritrc. the titanic. you know, this is a small amount of money and you just have to wonder why the bbc are doing this, what they're trying achieve, other than trying to achieve, other than sort of some headlines about, you cost efficiencies. sort of some headlines about, you when cost efficiencies. sort of some headlines about, you when yout efficiencies. sort of some headlines about, you when you look:iencies. sort of some headlines about, you when you look aticies. sort of some headlines about, you when you look at actually but when you look at actually new— but when you look at actually new muen— but when you look at actually how much money— but when you look at actually how much money is wasted a year by how much money is wasted a year be bbe— how much money is wasted a year be me bbe— how much money is wasted a year be me bbc, eeu— how much money is wasted a year by the bbc, you know, 79 million on a new eastenders set, 10 mbbben— on a new eastenders set, 10 mbbbben e—

on a new eastenders set, 10 million a year— on a new eastenders set, 10 million a year on- on a new eastenders set, 10 million a year on sending bubbebne— million a year on sending bullying letters to the general rubbe— bullying letters to the general bubbbe. bbbe— bullying letters to the general public. this is— bullying letters to the general public. this is a— bullying letters to the general public. this is a small amount of public. this is a small amount eb menee— public. this is a small amount eb menee ene— public. this is a small amount of money and it's— public. this is a small amount of money and it's clearly just ebeub— of money and it's clearly just ebeub beme— of money and it's clearly just ebeub brebne be— of money and it's clearly just about trying to shift things ebeub— about trying to shift things ebeub ene— about trying to shift things about and come up with some neebbbnee. — about and come up with some headlines. but— about and come up with some headlines. but you know what? bne — headlines. but you know what? bne bbe— headlines. but you know what? bne bbc nee— headlines. but you know what? the bbc has to— headlines. but you know what? the bbc has to do— headlines. but you know what? the bbc has to do in order to tuebbbe— the bbc has to do in order to tuebbbe bbe— the bbc has to do in order to justify its ability— the bbc has to do in order to justify its ability to tax beebbe— justify its ability to tax beebbe be— justify its ability to tax beebbe be be— justify its ability to tax people is to provide high euebbbe— people is to provide high quality public sector , public quality public sector, public eerwbee— quality public sector, public service broadcasting . and service broadcasting. and eurebe— service broadcasting. and surely, therefore, they're bbeeeeb— surely, therefore, they're biggest focus- surely, therefore, they're biggest focus should be news and unbbeeee— biggest focus should be news and unbiased news,— biggest focus should be news and unbiased news, which they're bebbbne— unbiased news, which they're bebbne eb— unbiased news, which they're failing at producing. so i think it's failing at producing. so i think bbbe tueb— failing at producing. so i think it's just seems— failing at producing. so i think it's just seems a— failing at producing. so i think it's just seems a very cack nenbeb— it's just seems a very cack nenbee wee— it's just seems a very cack handed way of— it's just seems a very cack handed way of going about things . ane— handed way of going about things . bne eeu— handed way of going about things . bne eeu knew,— handed way of going about things . and you know, it— handed way of going about things . and you know, it really does mebe— . and you know, it really does mebe eeu— . and you know, it really does make you wonder— . and you know, it really does make you wonder what's going on at make you wonder what's going on eb bbe— make you wonder what's going on eb bne bbc. — make you wonder what's going on at the bbc. yes,— make you wonder what's going on at the bbc. yes, it's— make you wonder what's going on at the bbc. bv/ri;b c r:c. at the bbc. yes, it's quite interesting that they've gone after the news division with these redundant c letters because as you said , most people because as you said, most people think that probably the bbc's most important purpose is to deliver the news in an impartial way as best they they can. so is

this the wrong priority ? motty this the wrong priority? motty i think it's absolutely the wrong priority , yeah. and you only priority, yeah. and you only newe— priority, yeah. and you only newe be— priority, yeah. and you only have to look— priority, yeah. and you only have to look back- priority, yeah. and you only have to look back a- car and you only have to look back a few years. wbebber— have to look back a few years. wbebner bb— have to look back a few years. whether it was— have to look back a few years. whether it was revealed that the bee— whether it was revealed that the bbc neb— whether it was revealed that the bbc had actually— whether it was revealed that the bbc had actually wasted £10 mbbben— bbc had actually wasted £10 mbbbben en— bbc had actually wasted £10 million on people million on making people reeunbenb— redundant who were then re-employed-_ redundant who were then re—employed. so you know, it's, it's re—employed. so you know, it's, bbbe en— re—employed. so you know, it's, it's an absolute— re—employed. so you know, it's, it's an absolute disaster for bbe— it's an absolute disaster for me bbe— it's an absolute disaster for me bbc .— it's an absolute disaster for the bbc . yeah. - it's an absolute disaster for the bbc . yeah. '“r: : i“ c the bbc. yeah. and we wouldn't be surprised if this were to happen again. people take, you knew.— happen again. people take, you knew. ewerebeee— happen again. people take, you know, everybody holds- i“ rig? i“ people take, you know, everybody holds on for a bee— know, everybody holds on for a bbb— know, everybody holds on for a bbb eb— know, everybody holds on for a nice bit of voluntary redundancy ten-b— nice bit of voluntary redundancy ben-b bbee— nice bit of voluntary redundancy ben-b bnee bebe— nice bit of voluntary redundancy don't they take voluntary don't they take a voluntary reeuneenee— don't they take a voluntary redundancy then don't they take a voluntary redundancy .then you redundancy and then realise, you knew— redundancy and then realise, you knew .— redundancy and then realise, you knew . bbeb— redundancy and then realise, you know , that you'll— redundancy and then realise, you know , that you'll probably be know, that you'll probably be beeb— know, that you'll probably be beebleeme— know, that you'll probably be back-some form - know, that you'll probably be back some form or other back in some form or other and it's back in some form or other and bbbe-bbeme— back in some form or other and it's-licence-payers- back in some form or other and it's licence payers who it's the licence fee payers who ene— it's the licence fee payers who ene ub— it's the licence fee payers who end ”p paying— it's the licence fee payers who end ”p paying for_ it's the licence fee payers who end up paying for it. now may be wrene— end up paying for it. now may be wrene bub— end up paying for it. now may be wrene bub bubb— end up paying for it. now may be wrong, but hugh edwards many wrong, but hugh edwards has many beebbe— wrong, but hugh edwards has many beebbe wbbb— wrong, but hugh edwards has many beebbe wbbb were— wrong, but hugh edwards has many people will very much enjoy and reebeeb— people will very much enjoy and reebeeb bubb— people will very much enjoy and respect hugh edwards as a as a breebeeeber. — respect hugh edwards as a as a broadcaster. it's— respect hugh edwards as a as a broadcaster. c r:c. broadcaster. it's quite interesting that he has tweeted to completely brush off this story. just it's just a normal air exercise. if i had a redundant letter sent to me giving me the option of stepping back and resigning , i would be back and resigning, i would be a bit concerned . wouldn't you ?

bit concerned. wouldn't you? absolutely. i mean, as someone who's actually been through redundancy myself, you know, a number of years ago, it's a very stressful process and it's not something that you would inflict on people unnecessarily . and if on people unnecessarily. and if there was absolutely no way that they would accept him proffering a voluntary redundancy, then they wouldn't send him that letter. so yeah, i think he's probably just trying to quash a headune probably just trying to quash a headline and hope that it goes away. but at the same time, as you say , hugh edwards. yes, he's you say, hugh edwards. yes, he's highly paid. and what have you. but when it comes to sort of the queen's passing and what have you, he does have that element of, you know, of high standards that people would hope to see from the bbc. so certainly you would think that he would be the last person people would ask to, you know, whether they want to take voluntary redundancy. yes i'm sure viewers at home will newe— i'm sure viewers at home will newe bbeb— i'm sure viewers at home will newe bbeb-en- i'm sure viewers at home will have their-on who. i'm sure viewers at home will- have their-on who would have their opinions on who would wbe—eeb— have their opinions on who would wbe—eeb-eneb- have their opinions on who wouldi who—get-chop from who would best get the chop from the who would best get the chop from bne-bmeebne— who would best get the chop from bne-bmeebne b— who would best get the chop from the imagine i imagine the bbc. i imagine i imagine a eerbebn— the bbc. i imagine i imagine a certain football— the bbc. i imagine i imagine a certain football pundit might be bbe— certain football pundit might be me be — certain football pundit might be near the top. thank very near the top. thank you very

muen—tebnbne- near the top. thank you very much -joining mei near the top. thank you very much joining me. much indeed forjoining me. bebeeee— much indeed forjoining me. rebecca ryan,— much indeed forjoining me. rebecca ryan, campaign director at rebecca ryan, campaign director eb—bbc.— rebecca ryan, campaign director eb—bbc. bbere- rebecca ryan, campaign director at bbc. there talking at defund the bbc. there talking ebeub— at defund the bbc. there talking ebeub bbeb— at defund the bbc. there talking about that story— at defund the bbc. there talking about that story about bbc reeuneenee— about that story about bbc redundancy letters being sent to news presenters,— redundancy letters being sent to news presenters, a— redundancy letters being sent to news presenters, a bbc spokesperson- news presenters, a bbc spokesperson has said this isn't ebeub— spokesperson has said this isn't ebeub ene— spokesperson has said this isn't ebeub ene ne— spokesperson has said this isn't about any new job— spokesperson has said this isn't about any new job cuts. it's a ebeneerb— about any new job cuts. it's a ebeneerb bb— about any new job cuts. it's a standard hr exercise relating to eewbnee— standard hr exercise relating to eewbnee wewe— standard hr exercise relating to savings we've announced brewbeuebe— savings we've announced brewbeuebe .— savings we've announced previously . it's not targeting previously. it's not targeting any— previously. it's not targeting any individuals— previously. it's not targeting any individuals. previously. it's not targeting any individuals . we have to send any individuals. we have to send it any individuals. we have to send bb be— any individuals. we have to send bb be eenree— any individuals. we have to send it to everyone who's at the same erebe.— it to everyone who's at the same erebe. were— it to everyone who's at the same grade. we're looking for expressions— grade. we're looking for expressions of interest in rebuneenee— expressions of interest in redundancy, not offering it. and it's redundancy, not offering it. and bbbe neb— redundancy, not offering it. and bbbe neb bbe— redundancy, not offering it. and it's not the case— redundancy, not offering it. and it's not the case that any or eenree— it's not the case that any or eweenere wbe— it's not the case that any or everyone who came forward would be eeeebbee — everyone who came forward would be eeeebbee .— everyone who came forward would be accepted . let— everyone who came forward would be accepted . let me— everyone who came forward would be accepted . let me know what be accepted. let me know what you— be accepted. let me know what eeu bnbnb— be accepted. let me know what you think about— be accepted. let me know what you think about that. we are going— you think about that. we are going be— you think about that. we are going be be— you think about that. we are going to be moving on to berbnern— going to be moving on to northern ireland. the prime bbnbeber— northern ireland. the prime minister will— northern ireland. the prime minister will return to belfast bbbe— minister will return to belfast bnbe weeb— minister will return to belfast this week for— minister will return to belfast this week for more events to eebebrebe— this week for more events to celebrate 25— this week for more events to celebrate 25 years of the good brbbee— celebrate 25 years of the good friday agreement— celebrate 25 years of the good friday agreement . the prime friday agreement. the prime bbnbeber— friday agreement. the prime bbnbeber be— friday agreement. the prime minister is scheduled to give a ebeeen— minister is scheduled to give a ebeeen en— minister is scheduled to give a speech on wednesday at a major conference -joining- conference before joining webunbeere— conference before joining volunteers and community workers at volunteers and community workers eb-eebe— volunteers and community workers eb-eebe bbnner- volunteers and community workers at-gala dinner. this- volunteers and community workers at after gala dinner. this volunteers and community workers at after usla dinner. this volunteers and community workers at after us president this volunteers and community workers at after us president joe. comes after us president joe bbben-e— comes after us president joe biden's visit— comes after us president joe biden's visit to— comes after us president joe biden's visit to the island of brebenbb— biden's visit to the island of brebenbb eb— biden's visit to the island of ireland, of course, which culminated— ireland, of course, which culminated with a passionate berewebb— culminated with a passionate farewell speech— culminated with a passionate farewell speech in county mayo

on farewell speech in county mayo en brbbee— farewell speech in county mayo en brbeee mene— farewell speech in county mayo on friday night. joining me now is on friday night. joining me now be be— on friday night. joining me now be be bewe— on friday night. joining me now is gb news northern ireland reberber— is gb news northern ireland reporter dougie— is gb news northern ireland reporter dougie beattie. dougie, eeue— reporter dougie beattie. dougie, eeu-we been— reporter dougie beattie. dougie, eeuwe been were— reporter dougie beattie. dougie, you've been very busy indeed. wbeb— you've been very busy indeed. wbeb newe— you've been very busy indeed. what have we— you've been very busy indeed. what have we got— you've been very busy indeed. what have we got to look forward to what have we got to look forward be m— what have we got to look forward be bn bbe— what have we got to look forward be bn bne weeb— what have we got to look forward to in the week ahead ? �*bfwbbri;cc to in the week ahead? well, this week— to in the week ahead? well, this week be— to in the week ahead? well, this week is probably the most fascinating and the one to look out the most. this is an event run by the george mitchell institution . he was probably the institution. he was probably the most patient man in the world dunng most patient man in the world during those talks 25 years ago. iused during those talks 25 years ago. i used to watch him coming out to the storm at hotel to brief the press and what had gone on and some days you could just see it in him. he was absolutely mentally exhausted, but he got that agreement across the line and over these next three days, there will be a series of panel discussions featuring no other than bill clinton . yes. one than bill clinton. yes. one president of the united states has just left this. and we have a former one arriving. of course, he was very instrumental in getting the good friday agreement where it is . we have agreement where it is. we have tony blair, former prime

minister of great britain, and he also very much involved in that. bertie ahern, the taoiseach or irish premier and many of the political parties that were there at that time, including mona mcwilliams of the women's coalition. of course, they played a massive part in this to the good friday agreement, had everybody in the one room, everybody basically talking about what was annoying them, how they could get around it. and that's how that discussion was thrashed out. the number of events that will take place in the next few days, including that gala dinner you talked about, is on monday night in hall in belfast, not in the city hall in belfast, not on queen's grounds here. and then there'll be a few different lunches and so forth. and really, what to watch here is who is talking to who and in what areas, especially on the sidelines. i would expect jeffrey donaldson will have a lot to say and people have a lot to say to him about trying to bnng to say to him about trying to bring these institutions of northern ireland back up and

running again because the one thing that is here there is trust. and that is now lacking inside the brexit negotiations that went on. so what i would be fascinated to watch where unionists are going in and around these rooms while these discussions are taking place . discussions are taking place. thank you very much thank you very mucifindeed. thank you very much indeed. we beeb— thank you very much indeed. we beeb berwere— thank you very much indeed. we look forward to _ thank you very much indeed. we look forward to getting as many ubbebee— look forward to getting as many ubbebee ee— look forward to getting as many updates as possible on that ebere— updates as possible on that ebere. eb— updates as possible on that story. of course— updates as possible on that story. of course .- updates as possible on that story. of course . dougie beattie story. of course. dougie beattie bbere— story. of course. dougie beattie bbere ere— story. of course. dougie beattie there are northern ireland. bbeebbbb— there are northern ireland. reporter right, moving on to eemebnbne— reporter right, moving on to something rather different, the beuebne— something rather different, the housing-michael- something rather different, the housing michael gove housing secretary, michael gove has announced— housing secretary, michael gove has announced plans to crack bewn— has announced plans to crack bewn en— has announced plans to crack down on holiday— has announced plans to crack down on holiday lets in tourist nebebebe— down on holiday lets in tourist nebebebe m— down on holiday lets in tourist hotspots in this— down on holiday lets in tourist hotspots in this country . areas hotspots in this country. areas euen— hotspots in this country. areas euen ee— hotspots in this country. areas such as cornwall— hotspots in this country. areas such as cornwall ,_ hotspots in this country. areas such as cornwall , the lake such as cornwall, the lake bbebrbeb— such as cornwall, the lake district and _ such as cornwall, the lake district and even parts of beneen— district and even parts of benben ere— district and even parts of london are in— district and even parts of london are in question where new neuebne— london are in question where new neuebne be— london are in question where new neuebne be being— london are in question where new housing is being bought up speculatively_ housing is being bought up speculatively to make money from the speculatively to make money from be re— speculatively to make money from me m— speculatively to make money from the rise in private— speculatively to make money from the rise in private rentals. beeebe— the rise in private rentals. beeebe ere— the rise in private rentals. locals are worried they are beme— locals are worried they are being bbeeb— locals are worried they are being priced out of their own neme— being priced out of their own neme bewne— being priced out of their own home towns. do— being priced out of their own home towns. do you have eembebnee— home towns. do you have sympathy? joining me now is property— sympathy? joining me now is property entert— sympathy? joining me now is property expert russell quirk ene— property expert russell quirk ene bbe— property expert russell quirk and the founder— property expert russell quirk and the founder of the north bewen— and the founder of the north devon housing— and the founder of the north devon housing crisis group, emma beebwee— devon housing crisis group, emma beebwee bnenb— devon housing crisis group, emma hookway. thank you— devon housing crisis group, emma hookway. thank you both very muen—

hookway. thank you both very muen bnbeeb— hookway. thank you both very much indeed for— hookway. thank you both very much indeed forjoining me this much indeed for joining me this ebberneen. — much indeed for joining me this afternoon. emma— much indeed for joining me this afternoon. emma let me know what wbeb— afternoon. emma let me know what we reeue— afternoon. emma let me know what we be— afternoon. emma let me know what what issue do you— afternoon. emma let me know what what issue do you have with bebbee— what issue do you have with nebeee bebe— what issue do you have with holiday lets ? _ what issue do you have with holiday lets ? �*bfwbbri;cc r:ri:r“ c holiday lets? well, i don't specifically i wouldn't say have an issue. i actually work in the bnbuebre— an issue. i actually work in the bneuebre meeebb— ieb“ i actually work in the industry myself. actually e“ i actually work in the industry myself. actually so i ten-b— industry myself. actually so i ben-b newe— industry myself. actually so i don't have an— industry myself. actually so i don't have an issue issue with is don't have an issue issue with be beme— don't have an issue issue with is being turned— don't have an issue issue with is being turned over. and that's wnere— is being turned over. and that's wnere bbere-e— is being turned over. and that's where there's a— is being turned over. and that's where there's a problem . where there's a problem. i'm eene— where there's a problem. i'm eerre emme— where there's a problem. i'm sorry emma, your— where there's a problem. i'm sorry emma, your line is a little bit dodgy. i hope we can get little bit dodgy. i hope we can eeb bb— little bit dodgy. i hope we can eeb bb eerbeb. — little bit dodgy. i hope we can get it sorted. i'll— little bit dodgy. i hope we can get it sorted. i'll have- c c d i hope we can get it sorted. i'll have to go to get it sorted. i'll have to go be e— get it sorted. i'll have to go be e be— get it sorted. i'll have to go to a to russell— get it sorted. i'll have to go to a to russell quickly. russell wbeb— to a to russell quickly. russell we be— to a to russell quickly. russell we be eeu— to a to russell quickly. russell what do you make of this ebberenb— what do you make of this apparent crackdown on holiday? bebe— apparent crackdown on holiday? bebe eeeenb— apparent crackdown on holiday? lets second homes airbnb type erebenbeeb— lets second homes airbnb type erebenbeeb be— lets second homes airbnb type properties? do you think there is properties? do you think there be en— properties? do you think there is an argument— properties? do you think there is an argument to say that that is an argument to say that that be e— is an argument to say that that be e beb— is an argument to say that that be e bebr uee— is an argument to say that that is a fair use of— is an argument to say that that is a fair use of government time 7 is a fair use of government time b be.— is a fair use of government time b be. r— is a fair use of government time b be. r ben-b— is a fair use of government time b be. r ben-b. — is a fair use of government time 7 no, i don't. and— is a fair use of government time ? no, i don't. “r: jec ? no, i don't. and this is yet another crazy announcement from michael gove, the man that seems to pretend to be a conservative. emily i remember the time when eeneerwebbwe— emily i remember the time when conservative politicians were all conservative politicians were ebb ebeub— conservative politicians were all about aspiration and eebuebbe— all about aspiration and actually ensuring that you you

eeubb— actually ensuring that you you eeubb bubbbb— actually ensuring that you you could fulfil ambition and also newe— could fulfil ambition and also newe bbe— could fulfil ambition and also have the freedom to do with your wereene.— have the freedom to do with your erebene. wbeb— have the freedom to do with your own property. what you wanted to do own property. what you wanted to be rebner— own property. what you wanted to be rebner bnen— own property. what you wanted to do rather than crackdowns and eebben— do rather than crackdowns and eebben beme— do rather than crackdowns and action being taken against beebbe— action being taken against beebbe bbeb— action being taken against people that of— action being taken against people that of their own free wbbb— people that of their own free wbbb enb— people that of their own free will and with— people that of their own free will and with their own free menee — will and with their own free money. basically should have beubnb— money. basically should have bought properties with a view to uebnb— bought properties with a view to uebnb bbem— bought properties with a view to using them and— bought properties with a view to using them and also renting them out using them and also renting them eub ber— using them and also renting them eub ber en— using them and also renting them out for an income.— using them and also renting them out for an income. bearing in mbnb— out for an income. bearing in mbnb e— out for an income. bearing in mbnb e beb— out for an income. bearing in mbnb e beb eb— out for an income. bearing in mind a lot of these people that are mind a lot of these people that beme— mind a lot of these people that bebnb ee— mind a lot of these people that are doing so are— mind a lot of these people that are doing so are doing this to eubbbemenb— are doing so are doing this to supplement their pensions. so i bnbnb— supplement their pensions. so i mbnb-bewe— supplement their pensions. so i think gove meddling think michael gove meddling brenbbe— think michael gove meddling brenbbe m— think michael gove meddling frankly, in this— think michael gove meddling frankly, in this is beyond the bebe. — frankly, in this is beyond the bebe. lwe— frankly, in this is beyond the bebe-lwe ere— frankly, in this is beyond the pale. we are concerned about pale. if we are concerned about the pale. if we are concerned about me brebbem— pale. if we are concerned about the problem of— pale. if we are concerned about the problem of there not being eneubn— the problem of there not being enough erebene— the problem of there not being enough property in certain areas , enough property in certain areas .bnen— enough property in certain areas .bnen eb— enough property in certain areas , then of course— enough property in certain areas , then of course the government newe — , then of course the government newe neb— , then of course the government newe neb mene— , then of course the government have had many, many years, not tueb— have had many, many years, not tueb bbbe— have had many, many years, not tueb bnbe ne— have had many, many years, not just this one, but— have had many, many years, not just this one, but previous governments— just this one, but previous governments .— just this one, but previous governments . they've had decades governments. they've had decades to governments. they've had decades be mebe— governments. they've had decades be mebe eue— governments. they've had decades to make sure that— governments. they've had decades to make sure that we build eneubn— to make sure that we build enough homes— to make sure that we build enough homes so as to therefore mebe— enough homes so as to therefore make sure that— enough homes so as to therefore make sure that there are enough nemee— make sure that there are enough nemeelbne— make sure that there are enough homes the population. and homes for the population. and bbeb— homes for the population. and be bnbeeb— homes for the population. and that indeed-sort- homes for the population. and that indeed sort out the that indeed would sort out the bmbebenee— that indeed would sort out the imbalance when— that indeed would sort out the imbalance when it comes to sky mbn— imbalance when it comes to sky high erebene— imbalance when it comes to sky high property prices. so i think bbbe— high property prices. so i think be be— high property prices. so i think this is meddling— high property prices. so i think this is meddling too far and brenbbe— this is meddling too far and brenbbe b— this is meddling too far and frankly, i would— this is meddling too far and frankly, i would have thought bbbe— frankly, i would have thought this government— frankly, i would have thought this government have more things to

this government have more things be-ebeub— this government have more things be-ebeub-bne- this government have more things to about the problem to worry about than the problem _er eeeenbl . inverted commas or second nemee— . inverted commas or second nemee . — . inverted commas or second nemee . seme— . inverted commas or second homes. . inverted commas or second homes . . inverted commas or second- homes . some people think there's homes. some people think there's a bit of a moral problem here, though , russell. if you are for, though, russell. if you are for, say, a very wealthy person from london, you decide to buy up a couple of houses in a village in cornwall . no one's living there. cornwall. no one's living there. most of the time. you rent it out for an extortionate amount on airbnb for a few weeks, a year , but it is essentially it year, but it is essentially it is taking a potential property away from a local resident or a young family , is it not? well young family, is it not? well only if there aren't enough properties to go round, you know, and the fact that there's a deficit now of about 100,000 properties as the difference between those which should be built and those which are built , that that is the problem. the problem is not some sort- the problem is not some sort spectre of problem is not some sort spectre eb beb— problem is not some sort spectre of bad landlords,— problem is not some sort spectre of bad landlords, bad second homeowners— of bad landlords, bad second homeowners having the so—called eubeebbe— homeowners having the so—called eubeebbe be— homeowners having the so—called eubeebbe be bue— homeowners having the so—called eubeebbe be bue e— homeowners having the so—called audacity to buy a home in a free merbeb— audacity to buy a home in a free merbeb enb— audacity to buy a home in a free market and decide—

audacity to buy a home in a free market and decide of their own bree— market and decide of their own bree wbbb— market and decide of their own free will. what— market and decide of their own free will. what to— market and decide of their own free will. what to do with it. bbere-e— free will. what to do with it. there's also _ free will. what to do with it. there's also i— free will. what to do with it. there's also i mean, our reeeern me— there's also i mean, our research my pr firm, proper pr nee— research my pr firm, proper pr nee bene— research my pr firm, proper pr has done research— research my pr firm, proper pr has done research on this in bbeb— has done research on this in me bbere— has done research on this in that there is— has done research on this in that there is no— has done research on this in that there is no evidence whatsoever— that there is no evidence whatsoever for- that there is no evidence whatsoever for that in areas wnere— whatsoever for that in areas wnere bnere — whatsoever for that in areas where there is— whatsoever for that in areas where there is a— whatsoever for that in areas where there is a high propensity where there is a hiin propensity of where there is a high propensity eb eeeenb— where there is a high propensity of second home— where there is a high propensity of second home ownership, there is of second home ownership, there be e— of second home ownership, there is a disproportion— of second home ownership, there is a disproportion increase in neuee— is a disproportion increase in neuee brbeee— is a disproportion increase in neuee brbeee .— is a disproportion increase in house prices . so— is a disproportion increase in house prices . so the argument house prices. so the argument bbeb— house prices. so the argument bneb bbbe— house prices. so the argument me be m— house prices. so the argument that this in some— house prices. so the argument that this in some way by taxing beebbe— that this in some way by taxing beebbe mere— that this in some way by taxing beebbe er— that this in some way by taxing people more or by— that this in some way by taxing people more or by the lunacy of bubbbnb— people more or by the lunacy of putting pebble— people more or by the lunacy of putting people through the bbennbnb— putting people through the planning system, which frankly, bmbbe— planning system, which frankly, bmbbe be— planning system, which frankly, emily is broken— planning system, which frankly, emily is broken enough as it is, so emily is broken enough as it is, ee bmebbne— emily is broken enough as it is, so imagine what— emily is broken enough as it is, so imagine what happens when we eberb— so imagine what happens when we eben bubbbnb— so imagine what happens when we start putting hundreds of thousands— start putting hundreds of thousands second homes thousands of second homes bnreubn—usl thousands of second homes. through—us there through that process. us there is through that process. us there be brenbbe— through that process. us there is frankly, this— through that process. us there is frankly, this is— through that process. us there is frankly, this is not a eebubben— is frankly, this is not a solution in— is frankly, this is not a solution in it's i mean, it's eeebebbem— solution in it's i mean, it's socialism, isn't— solution in it's i mean, it's socialism, isn't it? well i weubb— socialism, isn't it? well i weubb b— socialism, isn't it? well i would i would- socialism, isn't it? well i would i would think that it meeebwebe— would i would think that it massively undermines basic property— massively undermines basic property rights— massively undermines basic property rights . r:rir property rights. but i do understand also i do have sympathy with people who have lived in one area of the country for god knows how long generations upon generations have lived there . and yes, no have lived there. and yes, no one has a right to live in a specific street, in a specific

town, in a specific area of the uk. but you can see why there would be some. well you can see why people are disgruntled with this type of thing . i can see this type of thing. i can see why the this type of thing. i can see wne bne bebb— this type of thing. i can see why the left wing- “r; i can see why the left wing argument, “r; i can see why the left wing argument , the why the left wing argument, the newee— why the left wing argument, the newee enb— why the left wing argument, the haves and the— why the left wing argument, the haves and the have nots. i can wne— haves and the have nots. i can wne bneee — haves and the have nots. i can see why those that— haves and the have nots. i can see why those that have not weubb— see why those that have not weubb be — see why those that have not would be bitter— see why those that have not would be bitter and twisted ebeub— would be bitter and twisted about those— would be bitter and twisted about those that have and bnerebere— about those that have and therefore want— about those that have and therefore want state to bnberwene— therefore want state to intervene to - therefore want state to intervene to put that right. but bbeb-e— intervene to put that right. but bneb-e e— intervene to put that right. but bnebbe e bebbe— intervene to put that right. but that's a pretty slippery slope, i that's a pretty slippery slope, b wne,— that's a pretty slippery slope, i think, emily.— that's a pretty slippery slope, i think, emily. i— that's a pretty slippery slope, ithink, emily. i mean, that's a pretty slippery slope, i think, emily. i mean, what's nexbb— i think, emily. i mean, what's nexbb beu— i think, emily. i mean, what's next? you know,— i think, emily. i mean, what's next? you know, in fact, i'll bebb— next? you know, in fact, i'll bebb eeu— next? you know, in fact, i'll tell you what's— next? you know, in fact, i'll tell you what's next is the ereumenb— tell you what's next is the argument coming to the fore that we ebb— argument coming to the fore that we ebb newe— argument coming to the fore that we all have the— argument coming to the fore that we all have the right to own a erebeneb— we all have the right to own a erebenee webb— we all have the right to own a property? well, we all have the mbnb— property? well, we all have the rbbnb be — property? well, we all have the nenb be — property? well, we all have the nenb be e— property? well, we all have the right to own a property if we ebberb— right to own a property if we can afford to— right to own a property if we can afford to pay— right to own a property if we can afford to pay for it. we eneubbn-b— can afford to pay for it. we shouldn't get— can afford to pay for it. we shouldn't get an eastern burebeen— shouldn't get an eastern european kind of pre iron eurbebn— european kind of pre iron curtain situation where ewerebebe— curtain situation where ewerebebe be- curtain situation where everybody is given a property. sneubb— everybody is given a property. sneubb we— everybody is given a property. should we mean— everybody is given a property. should we mean russell i think bbeb-e— should we mean russell i think bneb-e neb— should we mean russell i think that's not the— should we mean russell i think that's not the britain that we've been brought up in. i mbnb— we've been brought up in. i bbbnb wbeb— we've been brought up in. i think what we— we've been brought up in. i think what we could- we've been brought up in. i think what we could see and i think what we could see and i think this would have probably happened if jeremy corbyn had got into power, perhaps if you had a proper socialist in power

would be for some kind of council officer to say, hang on, russell, you've got a four bedroom house, maybe you only need to have a two bedroom house. we're going to forcibly move you to a two bedroom house and give that house to this family who deserve it more than you. yes indeed. taking choice ewee— you. yes indeed. taking choice away mean that— you. yes indeed. taking choice away mean that that- bv/ri;b :: taking choice away mean that that is, again, the away mean that that is, again, bne newb— away mean that that is, again, be nexb ebebe— away mean that that is, again, the next stage that that is i eeu— the next stage that that is i mean you know— the next stage that that is i mean you know what the popular berxbeb— mean you know what the popular berxbeb ebebe— mean you know what the popular marxist adage is— mean you know what the popular marxist adage is ,_ mean you know what the popular marxist adage is , which is also marxist adage is, which is also bbeb— marxist adage is, which is also be ebb— marxist adage is, which is also be ebb erebene— marxist adage is, which is also that all property is theft. and bbeb— that all property is theft. and be be— that all property is theft. and that is something that the likes of that is something that the likes eb jeremy— that is something that the likes eb jeremy cerben— that is something that the likes of jeremy corbyn and john bebennebb— of jeremy corbyn and john mcdonnell and— of jeremy corbyn and john mcdonnell and so on have reeeebeb— mcdonnell and so on have rebeebeb. eeu— mcdonnell and so on have repeated, you know, fairly reeenbbe— repeated, you know, fairly reeenbbe .— repeated, you know, fairly reeenbbe . b— repeated, you know, fairly recently . i come from the old recently. i come from the old eeneeb— recently. i come from the old eeneeb bnb— recently. i come from the old school kind of— recently. i come from the old school kind of conservative ebbreeen— school kind of conservative approach that— school kind of conservative approach that if you work hard, you— approach that if you work hard, eeu eneubb— approach that if you work hard, eeu eneubb be— approach that if you work hard, you should be able to do what you— you should be able to do what eeu wenb— you should be able to do what eeu wenb be— you should be able to do what eeu wenb be be— you should be able to do what you want to do with the money bbeb— you want to do with the money be eeu — you want to do with the money be eeu eem— you want to do with the money that you earn, including buying erebenbee— that you earn, including buying erebenbee enb— that you earn, including buying properties and we have this kind of ridiculous— properties and we have this kind of ridiculous argument that bbere— of ridiculous argument that bnere erenb— of ridiculous argument that there aren't enough properties . there aren't enough properties. for there aren't enough properties. ber wnebewer— there aren't enough properties. for whatever reason, we also

neeb — for whatever reason, we also neeb be — for whatever reason, we also need to acknowledge that only ebeub— need to acknowledge that only ebeub 5— need to acknowledge that only ebeub b er— need to acknowledge that only ebeub b er ebe— need to acknowledge that only about 5 or 6% of— need to acknowledge that only about 5 or 6% of britain is bubb— about 5 or 6% of britain is bubbb — about 5 or 6% of britain is bubbb b— about 5 or 6% of britain is built on. i mean, it's not that berb— built on. i mean, it's not that nerb be— built on. i mean, it's not that hard to solve— built on. i mean, it's not that hard to solve this— built on. i mean, it's not that hard to solve this housing erbebe— hard to solve this housing crisis, whether— hard to solve this housing crisis, whether russell, is bbere— crisis, whether russell, is mere e— crisis, whether russell, is mere e wee— crisis, whether russell, is there a way just very quickly, is there a way just very quickly, be bbere— there a way just very quickly, be bnere e— there a way just very quickly, is there a way— there a way just very quickly, is there a way to— there a way just very quickly, is there a way to keep everyone happy— is there a way to keep everyone happy .— is there a way to keep everyone happy , to_ is there a way to keep everyone nebbe . be beee— is there a way to keep everyone happy , to keep people who live happy, to keep people who live in happy, to keep people who live bn beeubbbub— happy, to keep people who live in beautiful areas— happy, to keep people who live in beautiful areas happy? bbere-e— in beautiful areas happy? bbere-e ne— in beautiful areas happy? there's no way— in beautiful areas happy? there's no way to - in beautiful areas happy? there's no way to keep everyone happy? course not. happy? no, of course not. because know, you know, because we all know, you know, eeu— because we all know, you know, eeu-b— because we all know, you know, eeu-b ebb— because we all know, you know, eeu-b ebb bbere— because we all know, you know, you-i sit there on- because we all know, you know, you i sit there on twitter you and i sit there on twitter bebebner— you and i sit there on twitter together kind— you and i sit there on twitter together kind of— you and i sit there on twitter together kind of arguing with weubb— together kind of arguing with weubb-enb— together kind of arguing with would and sundry. there is would all and sundry. there is ebeebubebe— would all and sundry. there is absolutely no— would all and sundry. there is absolutely no keep the absolutely no way to keep the bebb— absolutely no way to keep the bebb-bne — absolutely no way to keep the left-the right— absolutely no way to keep the left the right happy because left and the right happy because bbee— they come from completely bbbberenb— they come from completely different politics different spheres of politics enb— different spheres of politics enb-bnb.- different spheres of politics. and _and, .know, different spheres of politics- and-and,-know, so and ideology. and, you know, so if and ideology. and, you know, so bb-were— and ideology. and, you know, so bb-were be— and ideology. and, you know, so if-were to give— and ideology. and, you know, so if were to give property to if you were to give property to ewerebebe — if you were to give property to everybody, _that - if you were to give property to everybody, that would everybody, i mean, that would ubeeb— everybody, i mean, that would ubeeb-ue— everybody, i mean, that would ubeeb-ue-rbbnbi upset those of us on the right bbeb— upset those of us on the right bneb bnbnb— upset those of us on the right that think that— upset those of us on the right that think that you should only newe— that think that you should only newe e— that think that you should only newe e erebene— that think that you should only have a property you've worked have a property if you've worked berb— have a property if you've worked neb-een— have a property if you've worked hard _can afford- have a property if you've worked hard _can afford it.- hard for it and can afford it. be— hard for it and can afford it. bbbe e— hard for it and can afford it. bbbe e bbme— hard for it and can afford it. it's a thing called the free merbeb— it's a thing called the free market. it's— it's a thing called the free market. it's worked actually for a market. it's worked actually for e-bneueenb— market. it's worked actually for a-thousand-pretty. a few thousand years, pretty muen — a few thousand years, pretty much and much unblemished, i think. and berbebe— much unblemished, i think. and eereene-neeb— much unblemished, i think. and perhaps-needlmake- much unblemished, i think. and perhaps-needlmakela. perhaps we need to make it a little bit freer by having a look at our planning regulations. but thank you very much indeed. russell quirk, property expert there, and friend, thank you very friend, i'd say thank you very much this is gb news much indeed. this is gb news sunday carver. we sunday with me, emily carver. we have got plenty more still to come. friday marked year

come. friday marked one year since controversial rwanda since the controversial rwanda deal since the controversial rwanda deal. since then, deal. but of course, since then, absolutely migrants have been absolutely no migrants have been put on the plane to the country. what going wrong? but first, what is going wrong? but first, let's take look at the weather let's take a look at the weather with erg. hello there . with craig erg. hello there. i'm craig snell. here is your bebeeb— i'm craig snell. here is your latest forecast— i'm craig snell. here is your latest forecast the met latest forecast from the met ebbbee. — latest forecast from the met office. well,— latest forecast from the met office. well,.we - latest forecast from the met office. well, we go through office. well, as we go through the office. well, as we go through bne-eneeb.— office. well, as we go through the-ahead, for- office. well, as we go through the ahead, for most of us, the week ahead, for most of us, it the week ahead, for most of us, bb-berbebe— it should be largely dry and eebbbeb—ebi it should be largely dry and. settled._of the settled. always the best of the bembereburee — settled. always the best of the temperatures, however, in the weeb. — temperatures, however, in the weeb. se— temperatures, however, in the weeb. se-bne- temperatures, however, in the west. so the situation at west. so here's the situation at bbe— west. so here's the situation at bne—beb- west. so here's the situation at bne—beb nbbnl the moment. we've got high pressure beginning to build in across .country. _ pressure beginning to build in across country. these across the country. these two weebner—wbbbi weather fronts, however, will ebbbb— weather fronts, however, will ebb—eb— weather fronts, however, will still_of some- weather fronts, however, willi still—of some cloud still be a focus of some cloud enb— still be a focus of some cloud enb eme— still be a focus of some cloud and some outbreaks of rain as we go and some outbreaks of rain as we be-benbee— and some outbreaks of rain as we be-benbee .— and some outbreaks of rain as we ee-benbee . bub— and some outbreaks of rain as we go monday . but looking back go into monday. but looking back to go into monday. but looking back be bbe— go into monday. but looking back be me reeb— go into monday. but looking back be me reeb eb— go into monday. but looking back to the rest of sunday, you can eebuebbe— to the rest of sunday, you can see actually still— to the rest of sunday, you can see actually still a lot of ebeub— see actually still a lot of cloud around— see actually still a lot of cloud around best of any late brbbnbneee— cloud around best of any late brightness down— cloud around best of any late brightness down the brightness down towards the eeubneeeb— brightness down towards the southeast and _ brightness down towards the southeast and anglia, the southeast and east anglia, the far-scotland. - southeast and east anglia, the far-scotland. also. far north for scotland. also eeebnb— far north for scotland. also seeing—skies. seeing some clear skies ewernbbnb. — seeing some clear skies overnight. here it might turn overnight. so here it might turn beeebw— locally chilly, but elsewhere, temperatures— locally chilly, but elsewhere, temperatures not falling much bewer— temperatures not falling much bewer bnen— temperatures not falling much bewer bnen 7— temperatures not falling much lower than 7 or— temperatures not falling much lower than 7 or 8— temperatures not falling much lower than 7 or 8 degrees, but it lower than 7 or 8 degrees, but bb wbbb— lower than 7 or 8 degrees, but bb wbbb be— lower than 7 or 8 degrees, but it will be quite— lower than 7 or 8 degrees, but it will be quite grey and murky in it will be quite grey and murky bn bbeeee— it will be quite grey and murky in places, especially across any nbbner— in places, especially across any higher ground— in places, especially across any higher ground .— in places, especially across any higher ground . so— in places, especially across any higher ground . so just be a bit higher ground. so just be a bit were— higher ground. so just be a bit were eb— higher ground. so just be a bit were eb bbeb— higher ground. so just be a bit were eb bneb bb— higher ground. so just be a bit wary of that if you are travelling— wary of that if you are travelling overnight. so a grey eberb— travelling overnight. so a grey eberb ber— travelling overnight. so a grey eberb ber e— travelling overnight. so a grey start for a lot—

travelling overnight. so a grey start for a lot of— travelling overnight. so a grey start for a lot of the country as start for a lot of the country ee we eberb— start for a lot of the country as we start the— start for a lot of the country as we start the new working week. — as we start the new working week. .bne — as we start the new working week.-the risk- as we start the new working week.-the risk of- as we start the new working week. the risk of some week. still the risk of some bebb— week. still the risk of some light outbreaks— week. still the risk of some light outbreaks of rain and brbbbe— light outbreaks of rain and drizzle-but— light outbreaks of rain and drizzle but there will be drizzle too. but there will be some brighter— drizzle too. but there will be some brighter developing some brighter skies developing in some brighter skies developing bn-berbnern— some brighter skies developing in northern ireland, the in places. northern ireland, the far in places. northern ireland, the be nenn— in places. northern ireland, the far north-scotland- in places. northern ireland, the far north scotland and far north of scotland and ewenbuebbe— far north of scotland and eventually into east anglia and the south—east.— eventually into east anglia and the south—east. approach the south—east. as we approach bunebbbme— the south—east. as we approach bunebbbmelbn— the south—east. as we approach lunchtime..in the— the south—east. as we approach lunchtime. in the sunshine, lunchtime. so in the sunshine, beebnb— lunchtime. so in the sunshine, feeling pleasantly warm the feeling pleasantly warm for the bbme— feeling pleasantly warm for the bbmeleeer— feeling pleasantly warm for the time year reaching 18 time of year highs reaching 18 or time of year highs reaching 18 er—bub— time of year highs reaching 18 or_ but elsewhere. or 19 degrees. but elsewhere reunb— or 19 degrees. but elsewhere reunb ber— or 19 degrees. but elsewhere around par for— or 19 degrees. but elsewhere around par for this time of year bnbe— around par for this time of year bnbe bbe— around par for this time of year into the evening,— around par for this time of year into the evening, we may well see some late— into the evening, we may well see some late sunshine bewebebbne— see some late sunshine developing across the midlands, eenbreb— developing across the midlands, central southern— developing across the midlands, central southern england. but bnen— central southern england. but bnen bbeb— central southern england. but then that quickly gets replaced by then that quickly gets replaced be burbner— then that quickly gets replaced by further cloud— then that quickly gets replaced by further cloud across the eeunbre. — by further cloud across the eeunbre. be— by further cloud across the country. as we _ by further cloud across the country. as we go into the small neure— country. as we go into the small neure eb— country. as we go into the small hours of tuesday— country. as we go into the small hours of tuesday .— country. as we go into the small hours of tuesday . so again, hours of tuesday. so again, unber— hours of tuesday. so again, unber bbe— hours of tuesday. so again, under the cloud,- hours of tuesday. so again, under the cloud, no real brebbeme— under the cloud, no real problems with- under the cloud, no real problems with the temperatures, not problems with the temperatures, neb bebbnb— problems with the temperatures, not falling much— problems with the temperatures, not falling much lower than reunb— not falling much lower than reunb 7— not falling much lower than reunb b er— not falling much lower than around 7 or 8— not falling much lower than around 7 or 8 degrees across the eeunbre— around 7 or 8 degrees across the eeunbre. se— around 7 or 8 degrees across the eeunbre. be en— around 7 or 8 degrees across the country. so on tuesday , we will country. so on tuesday, we will bnen— country. so on tuesday, we will bnen eberb— country. so on tuesday, we will bnen eberb be— country. so on tuesday, we will then start to see— country. so on tuesday, we will then start to see some clearer ebee— then start to see some clearer ebee me— then start to see some clearer skies move right— then start to see some clearer skies move right across the eeunbre— skies move right across the eeunbre ee— skies move right across the eeunbre ee we— skies move right across the country as we go through the course of the— country as we go through the course of the day. so it could be e— course of the day. so it could be e bbb— course of the day. so it could be e bbb eb— course of the day. so it could be e bbb eb e— course of the day. so it could be a bit of a grey,— course of the day. so it could be a bit of a grey, slow start in be a bit of a grey, slow start bn bbeeee— be a bit of a grey, slow start in places, but— be a bit of a grey, slow start in places, but sunshine will be on in places, but sunshine will be en bbe— in places, but sunshine will be en bne wee— in places, but sunshine will be on the way across— in places, but sunshine will be on the way across most of the eeunbre. — on the way across most of the eeunbre. we— on the way across most of the eeunbre. we be— on the way across most of the country. we do start to pick up a country. we do start to pick up eleb— country. we do start to pick up

eleb e— country. we do start to pick up a.of a easterly— country. we do start to pick up a of a easterly breeze. a bit of a easterly breeze. bwewer— a bit of a easterly breeze. however so feeling chilly however so feeling quite chilly ebenb—eeeeb- however so feeling quite chilly along—coast, but| along some eastern coast, but burbner— along some eastern coast, but further inland— along some eastern coast, but further inland certainly feeling bbeeeenbbe— further inland certainly feeling bbeeeenbbe-bne- further inland certainly feeling pleasantly the sunshine. pleasantly warm in the sunshine. webneebee— wednesday thursday remaining were—eeunbrei very similar across the country

hello and welcome to gb news. sunday with me, emily carver. i will be keeping you company for the next on online and the next hour on your online and digital radio . we have plenty digital radio. we have plenty more up hour . it digital radio. we have plenty more up hour. it has more coming up this hour. it has been a landmark week in the government's solve the government's battle to solve the migrant almost of migrant crisis. almost half of brits support the rwanda migrant policy. still well, that's according to polls. but most doubt will actually work. doubt it will actually work. we'll discuss that then is coordinated nhs strike action one step too far for you? the bma has refused to rule out coordination with junior doctors, strike action with the

royal college of nursing that would be nurses and junior doctors off at the same time. that's after the nursing union refused to accept the government's latest pay offer and after beer brand bud light hired a trans influencer , dylan hired a trans influencer, dylan mulvaney, to promote their beer brand. a conservative consumer group in the us has launched a system for users to receive woke alerts on companies which have gone too far left in their marketing. are you fed up with woke advertising? would you support such a thing in this country? all of that more to come. but first, let's get the latest news headlines as . good latest news headlines as. good afternoon. it's a minute- good afternoon. it's a minute past bwe— afternoon. it's a minute past we bbm— afternoon. it's a minute past two. i'm arron— afternoon. it's a minute past two. i'm arron armstrong in the gb two. i'm arron armstrong in the bb bewe— two. i'm arron armstrong in the bb bewe reem— two. i'm arron armstrong in the gb news room. the royal college of gb news room. the royal college eb nurebnb— gb news room. the royal college eb nurebnb nee— gb news room. the royal college of nursing has criticised the bewernmenb— of nursing has criticised the government for— of nursing has criticised the government for refusing to budge on government for refusing to budge en bbe— government for refusing to budge en bbe bee— government for refusing to budge en bbe bee ebber.— government for refusing to budge on its pay offer. the health seerebere— on its pay offer. the health secretary sent— on its pay offer. the health secretary sent a— on its pay offer. the health secretary sent a letter to the union's leader— secretary sent a letter to the union's leader this morning eueeeebbne— union's leader this morning suggesting nurses should accept wneb— suggesting nurses should accept we be— suggesting nurses should accept what he claims— suggesting nurses should accept what he claims is— suggesting nurses should accept what he claims is a reasonable

enb— what he claims is a reasonable enb bebr— what he claims is a reasonable and fair deal.— what he claims is a reasonable and fair deal. on— what he claims is a reasonable and fair deal. on friday, membere— and fair deal. on friday, members rejected a 5% pay rise enb— members rejected a 5% pay rise and announced— members rejected a 5% pay rise and announced a— members rejected a 5% pay rise and announced a 48 hour walkout to and announced a 48 hour walkout be eben— and announced a 48 hour walkout be eberb en— and announced a 48 hour walkout be eberb en berb— and announced a 48 hour walkout to start on april the— and announced a 48 hour walkout to start on april the 30th. the bene— to start on april the 30th. the chs general— to start on april the 30th. the chs general secretary, pat cubben— chs general secretary, pat cubben eeee— chs general secretary, pat cullen, says the- chs general secretary, pat cullen, says the depleted werbberee— cullen, says the depleted workforce because of that, mrebe— workforce because of that, mrebe nee— workforce because of that, morale has been incredibly low for morale has been incredibly low ber eee— morale has been incredibly low ber eee bnb— morale has been incredibly low for years. and steve barclay's ebber— for years. and steve barclay's ebber beee— for years. and steve barclay's offer does not— for years. and steve barclay's offer does not go— for years. and steve barclay's offer does not go far enough. eur— offer does not go far enough. our members— offer does not go far enough. our members neither think it is reeeenebbe— our members neither think it is reasonable or— our members neither think it is reasonable or fair. c reasonable or fair. it is a eberb— reasonable or fair. it is a eberb berm— reasonable or fair. it is a short term approach that plugs a gap by giving them a one off. what they've described as a bu — what they've described as a bonus. that's— what they've described as a bonus. that's certainly not going— bonus. that's certainly not going be— bonus. that's certainly not going to address the fundamental erbebe— going to address the fundamental erbebe bbeb— going to address the fundamental erbebe me we— going to address the fundamental crisis that we have— going to address the fundamental crisis that we have got within nurebnb— crisis that we have got within our nursing profession or within the our nursing profession or within me bbs— our nursing profession or within me we . — our nursing profession or within the nhs . .br�*~bb.r:i;eb“bub“ our nursing profession or within the nhs . .br�*~bb.r:i;e“bub“ ” our nursing profession or within the nhs . the nhs. meanwhile, labour is promising to double the number of doctors trained every year to 15,000 if it wins the next election. the party says appointments are currently a postcode lottery with up to 3 in 4 patients in some parts of england unable to see their gp of choice. labour has also pledged to guarantee face to face appointments for patients who want them. shadow health secretary wes streeting says young people need more opportunities to enable them to

enter the profession . unless the enter the profession. unless the nhs enter the profession. unless the bbs nee— enter the profession. unless the we nee bbe— enter the profession. unless the nhs has the staff— enter the profession. unless the nhs has the staff it— ri;“cr:i;” rib“ unless the nhs has the staff it needs, rib“cri;” rib“ unless the nhs has the staff it needs, it's going— nhs has the staff it needs, it's eemb be— nhs has the staff it needs, it's going to struggle— nhs has the staff it needs, it's going to struggle to treat bebbenbe— going to struggle to treat. patients—we're going to struggle to treat- patients_we're going patients on time and we're going to.up_ patients on time and we're going be-ub bn— patients on time and we're going be-ub bn bnbe— patients on time and we're going to up in this bizarre to end up in this bizarre ebbuebben— to end up in this bizarre situation where on one hand burnbnb— situation where on one hand we're turning away straight a erebe— we're turning away straight ai erebe—ebubebne grade students from studying mebbebne— grade students from studying medicine _whilst| medicine at university whilst reerubb— medicine at university whilst reerubb eeunb— medicine at university whilst recruit young people from overseas in greater numbers than brebnbnb— overseas in greater numbers than we're training our— overseas in greater numbers than we're training our own home brewn— we're training our own home erewn ebebb— we're training our own home grown staff, which is not fair to grown staff, which is not fair be ebber— grown staff, which is not fair to other countries around the wenb.— to other countries around the wenb-ewen— to other countries around the world.-even more- world. but even more importantly,- world. but even more importantly, not fair importantly, it's not fair to bbebb— importantly, it's not fair to brbbnb-bn- importantly, it's not fair to bright in britain importantly, it's not fair to- bright-in britain who bright teenagers in britain who eeubb— bright teenagers in britain who could—doctors- bright teenagers in britain whoi could—doctors and could be promising doctors and mebbee— could be promising doctors and mebbee eb— could be promising doctors and medics of the— could be promising doctors and medics of the future who are beme— medics of the future who are being opportunity medics of the future who are. being—opportunity. being denied the opportunity. bew— being denied the opportunity. bew smerb— being denied the opportunity. new smart motorways- being denied the opportunity. new smart motorways are being banned.the new smart motorways are being banned. the prime minister has acknowledged concerns over safety cost at 14 planned safety and cost at 14 planned projects will now no longer go ahead on existing stretches will be made safer. campaigners are welcoming the move, but are demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart motorways. the roads make up around 10% of england's network. conservative party chairman greg hands told camilla tominey the government are putting public safety first. it's been right

for us to, as i say, look at the evidence acas to come about it with. bear in mind all the beebere— with. bear in mind all the factors that— with. bear in mind all the factors that are— bear in mind all the factors that are involved and bbeb-e— factors that are involved and bneb-e wne— factors that are involved and that's why we've— factors that are involved and that's why we've taken the beebeben — that's why we've taken the decision as— that's why we've taken the decision as a— that's why we've taken the decision as a result of the bubbe— decision as a result of the public concern— decision as a result of the public concern to cease new emerb— public concern to cease new smart motorways. that's what i bnbnb— smart motorways. that's what i bnbnb be— smart motorways. that's what i bnbnb be bbe— smart motorways. that's what i think is the right— smart motorways. that's what i think is the right decision . think is the right decision. bnbmeb— think is the right decision. animal rights— think is the right decision. animal rights activists- think is the right decision. animal rights activists are calling for jump animal rights activists are calling forjump racing to be calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at the grand national festival. 118 people were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday . disrupting the event yesterday. the start of the race was delayed by 14 minutes. animal rising wants to see more stringent safety measures implemented and has warned that further protests will take place over the summer. in a statement, the british horseracing authority robustly condemned the action , adding it's action, adding it's investigating what caused the fatalities . global leaders are fatalities. global leaders are holding crisis talks in an effort to bring an end to a second day of heavy fighting in sudan. second day of heavy fighting in sudan . on at least 56 civilians sudan. on at least 56 civilians have been killed and almost 600 injured as the army and

paramilitary forces battle for control across the capital, khartoum . and both sides claim khartoum. and both sides claim to have taken the airport. the presidential palace , state tv presidential palace, state tv and the army headquarters . and the army headquarters. tensions have been escalating. there as political factions negotiate over a proposed transition to civilian rule following a military coup in 2021. the united states , china, 2021. the united states, china, the eu and the un are among a number of international powers appealing for an immediate end to hostilities . the uk will use to hostilities. the uk will use the g7 foreign ministers meeting this week in japan to promote a free and open indo—pacific . free and open indo—pacific. james cleverly says the region is critical to the uk's economy. britain recently joined a major indo pacific bloc, its biggest trade deal since leaving the eu . the meeting in japan is also expected to focus on support for ukraine and closer security and defence ties to counter china and thousands of armed forces,

veterans and nhs workers will get to watch the coronation in front of buckingham palace. they'll have a view from a special platform taking in key moments on the 6th of may, including the processions, the appearance of the royal family on the balcony and a fly—past by the armed forces. 3800 seats will be available in the grandstand and for public servants , which the culture servants, which the culture secretary says is a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . nation's profound gratitude. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now it's back to . back to. emily thank you, aaron . so let's get thank you, aaron. so let's get stuck thank you, aaron. so let's get ebueb bnbe— thank you, aaron. so let's get stuck into the— thank you, aaron. so let's get stuck into the top— ie”rir“ so let's get stuck into the top political eberbee— stuck into the top political eberbee eb— stuck into the top political stories of the— stuck into the top political stories of the day, but none ebber— stories of the day, but none ebner bnen— stories of the day, but none other than olivia utley, our bebbbeeb— other than olivia utley, our political reporter who is in the ebubbe— political reporter who is in the ebubbe wbbb— political reporter who is in the studio with me— political reporter who is in the studio with me right now . so studio with me right now. so emerb— studio with me right now. so smart motorways. why is the bewernmenb— smart motorways. why is the government banning them? is this a government banning them? is this e eewwe— government banning them? is this e eewwe bebbbbeeb— government banning them? is this a savvy political move? well,

yes— a savvy political move? well, yes .— a savvy political move? well, eee . bb— a savvy political move? well, eee . bb brebebbe— a savvy political move? well, yes , it probably is a savvy yes, it probably is a savvy eebbbeb— yes, it probably is a savvy political move— yes, it probably is a savvy political move ,- yes, it probably is a savvy political move , and it's a very political move, and it's a very bmberbenb— political move, and it's a very important move. _ political move, and it's a very important move. we know that emerb— important move. we know that smart motorways— important move. we know that smart motorways are responsible for smart motorways are responsible ber bebween— smart motorways are responsible for between 40— smart motorways are responsible for between 40 and 50 deaths on uk for between 40 and 50 deaths on be reebe— for between 40 and 50 deaths on be reebe bn— for between 40 and 50 deaths on uk roads in the— for between 40 and 50 deaths on uk roads in the last— for between 40 and 50 deaths on uk roads in the last 18 years. t hey— uk roads in the last 18 years. bnee wee— uk roads in the last 18 years. they were brought in by a labour bewernmenb— they were brought in by a labour bewernmenb bn— they were brought in by a labour government in 2006, but were beeeb— government in 2006, but were beeeb wbbb— government in 2006, but were beset with technological brebbeme— beset with technological problems from the get go. beeenbbebbe— problems from the get go. essentially they rely on beennebeee— essentially they rely on technology automatically rebenbnb— technology automatically reporting breakdowns and then enenebnb— reporting breakdowns and then enenebne bbe— reporting breakdowns and then changing the way the traffic moves around— changing the way the traffic moves around those breakdowns. but moves around those breakdowns. bub bbe— moves around those breakdowns. but the technology just didn't werb. — but the technology just didn't werb. se— but the technology just didn't werb. se bbeme— but the technology just didn't work. so plenty of breakdowns, tueb— work. so plenty of breakdowns, tueb weren-b— work. so plenty of breakdowns, just weren't reported at all and bbeb— just weren't reported at all and me meenb— just weren't reported at all and that meant people were getting into that meant people were getting bnbe bebeb— that meant people were getting into fatal crashes— that meant people were getting into fatal crashes in the middle of into fatal crashes in the middle eb bbe— into fatal crashes in the middle of the motorway.— into fatal crashes in the middle of the motorway. now they are beeebw— of the motorway. now they are deeply deeply— of the motorway. now they are deeply, deeply unpopular across the deeply, deeply unpopular across bne ub— deeply, deeply unpopular across me be enb— deeply, deeply unpopular across the uk and for— deeply, deeply unpopular across the uk and for a— deeply, deeply unpopular across the uk and for a long time beebbe— the uk and for a long time beebbe newe— the uk and for a long time people have felt that politicians- people have felt that politicians just weren't interested— politicians just weren't interested enough and didn't wenb— interested enough and didn't wenb be— interested enough and didn't wenb be be— interested enough and didn't want to do anything about it. webb— want to do anything about it. webb bbebb— want to do anything about it. well, rishi sunak promised in his well, rishi sunak promised in bre—eembebbn- well, rishi sunak promised in his campaign that he his leadership campaign that he weubb— his leadership campaign that he would-something— his leadership campaign that he would something and would do something about it, and he would do something about it, and nelmebbnb— would do something about it, and nelmebbnb eeeb— would do something about it, and helmaking good on— would do something about it, and he making good on that he is making good on that erenbe— he is making good on that brembee-bb-e- he is making good on that promise. it's very promise. now it's very interesting— promise. now it's very interesting that he is doing it mbnb— interesting that he is doing it been new— interesting that he is doing it nenb bb— interesting that he is doing it right now. it might be that he

bnbe— right now. it might be that he bnbe ee— right now. it might be that he sees this as quite— right now. it might be that he sees this as quite good , low sees this as quite good, low nenebnb— sees this as quite good, low nenebne brubb— sees this as quite good, low hanging fruit in— sees this as quite good, low hanging fruit in terms of i mean . bbeb— hanging fruit in terms of i mean .bneb eeunbe— hanging fruit in terms of i mean , that sounds more— hanging fruit in terms of i mean , that sounds more cynical than it's , that sounds more cynical than bbbe eubbeeeb— , that sounds more cynical than bbbe eubbeeeb be— , that sounds more cynical than it's supposed to is— , that sounds more cynical than it's supposed to is obviously bbe— it's supposed to is obviously be mbnb— it's supposed to is obviously the right thing— it's supposed to is obviously the right thing to do as well. bub— the right thing to do as well. bub bbere— the right thing to do as well. bub bnere be— the right thing to do as well. but there is probably an ebeebereb— but there is probably an electoral element to there are bbeme— electoral element to there are bbenbe eb— electoral element to there are plenty of motorists in the uk wne— plenty of motorists in the uk wne beeb— plenty of motorists in the uk wne beeb beb— plenty of motorists in the uk who feel let down by westminster eenerebbe. — who feel let down by westminster eenerebbe. bbee— who feel let down by westminster generally. they feel that people in generally. they feel that people bn benben— generally. they feel that people in london who— generally. they feel that people in london who aren't particularly- in london who aren't particularly reliant on cars for day— particularly reliant on cars for bee be— particularly reliant on cars for bee be bee— particularly reliant on cars for day to day living— particularly reliant on cars for day to day living don't really bnbnb— day to day living don't really bnbnb ebeub— day to day living don't really think about motorists when they nebe— think about motorists when they mebe bebbe— think about motorists when they mebe bebbee. se— think about motorists when they make policy. so ulez is a ebeeebe— make policy. so ulez is a classic example and plenty of bbne— classic example and plenty of bbne bewee— classic example and plenty of ltns taxes on— classic example and plenty of ltns taxes on high tax on fuel, ebeebere. — ltns taxes on high tax on fuel, ebeebere. se— ltns taxes on high tax on fuel, etcetera. so offering something, bbme— etcetera. so offering something, giving something— etcetera. so offering something, giving something back to meberbebe— giving something back to motorists, making a policy which will motorists, making a policy which wbbb mebe— motorists, making a policy which will make life— motorists, making a policy which will make life safer and easier for motorists,— will make life safer and easier for motorists, can— will make life safer and easier for motorists, can give rishi suneb— for motorists, can give rishi suneb e— for motorists, can give rishi suneb e bbb— for motorists, can give rishi sunak a bit of— for motorists, can give rishi sunak a bit of clear blue water bebween— sunak a bit of clear blue water between himself— sunak a bit of clear blue water between himself and labour. he can between himself and labour. he eee— between himself and labour. he eee b— between himself and labour. he eee r em— between himself and labour. he can say i am the— between himself and labour. he can say i am the friend of car owners essentially. so it's a eewwe— owners essentially. so it's a savvy political— owners essentially. so it's a savvy political move. probably enb— savvy political move. probably enb bbbe— savvy political move. probably enb bbbe e— savvy political move. probably and it's a sensible move, but beebbe— and it's a sensible move, but some people will— and it's a sensible move, but some people will argue it's too brbbbe— some people will argue it's too bbbbbe bee— some people will argue it's too little too late— some people will argue it's too little too late because although bbebb— little too late because although bbem suneb— little too late because although rishi sunak is— little too late because although rishi sunak is going to be beuebnb— rishi sunak is going to be beuebne bbe—

rishi sunak is going to be pausing the rollout of planned emerb— pausing the rollout of planned smart motorways— pausing the rollout of planned smart motorways , he hasn't said smart motorways, he hasn't said member— smart motorways, he hasn't said enebnbne ebeub— smart motorways, he hasn't said anything about smart motorways wnben— anything about smart motorways wnben ebreebe— anything about smart motorways which already exist . obviously which already exist. obviously it which already exist. obviously bb weubb— which already exist. obviously bb weubb bb— which already exist. obviously it would it would— which already exist. obviously it would it would be hassle and an it would it would be hassle and en ubneeweb— it would it would be hassle and an upheaval to— it would it would be hassle and an upheaval to change the infrastructure _ an upheaval to change the infrastructure and current smart meberweee. — infrastructure and current smart meberweee. bub— infrastructure and current smart motorways. but there is a very beeb— motorways. but there is a very good ereumenb— motorways. but there is a very good argument of— motorways. but there is a very good argument of course, that if emerb— good argument of course, that if new smart motorways aren't safe, bnen— new smart motorways aren't safe, bnen bbere-e— new smart motorways aren't safe, then there's nothing safe about then there's nothing safe about me urrem— then there's nothing safe about the current ones. _ then there's nothing safe about the current ones. so activists wbbb— the current ones. so activists wbbb be— the current ones. so activists will be demanding that he goes burbner. — will be demanding that he goes burbner. bub— will be demanding that he goes further. but-as— will be demanding that he goes further. but-as far— will be demanding that he goes further. but as far as it further. but in as far as it beee— further. but in as far as it goes,-sensible. further. but in as far as it- goes,-sensible policy goes, this is a sensible policy enb— goes, this is a sensible policy enb ebbuebbe— goes, this is a sensible policy and actually might well win bbebb— and actually might well win rishi sunak— and actually might well win rishi sunak some voters at the newb— rishi sunak some voters at the next-because- rishi sunak some voters at the next because people next election because people beeb—ebeub- next election because people feel—about this. feel passionately about this reeue— feel passionately about this . bbee— feel passionately about this issue . they do.— feel passionately about this issue . they do. of course issue. they do. but of course mene— issue. they do. but of course mene beebbe— issue. they do. but of course many people will— issue. they do. but of course many people will not have been in many people will not have been bn en— many people will not have been in an accident— many people will not have been in an accident on— many people will not have been in an accident on a— many people will not have been in an accident on a smart meberwee— in an accident on a smart motorway. they- in an accident on a smart motorway. they won't have seen the motorway. they won't have seen me berb— motorway. they won't have seen me berb ebbe— motorway. they won't have seen the dark side of— motorway. they won't have seen the dark side of smart motorways bbeb— the dark side of smart motorways bbreb nenb. — the dark side of smart motorways first hand. what— the dark side of smart motorways first hand. what most drivers wbbb— first hand. what most drivers wbbb eee— first hand. what most drivers will see, though— first hand. what most drivers will see, though , is the amount will see, though, is the amount of will see, though, is the amount eb menee— will see, though, is the amount eb menee bbbe— will see, though, is the amount of money it's costing them to brbwe— of money it's costing them to brbwe bn— of money it's costing them to brbwe bn mene— of money it's costing them to drive in many areas of the eeunbre— drive in many areas of the eeunbre. bub— drive in many areas of the country. but let's take the eeubn— country. but let's take the south london _ country. but let's take the south london ulez congestion eberbe— south london ulez congestion eneree eberbee— south london ulez congestion charge charges, potential bans on charge charges, potential bans en bebreb— charge charges, potential bans en bebreb enb— charge charges, potential bans

on petrol and diesel. it's just were— on petrol and diesel. it's just were ebenebwe — on petrol and diesel. it's just very expensive to— on petrol and diesel. it's just very expensive to become a brbwer. — very expensive to become a brbwer. b— very expensive to become a brbwer. b be— very expensive to become a driver. i do wonder if the conservatives _ driver. i do wonder if the conservatives will do something ebeub— conservatives will do something ebeub bbeb— conservatives will do something ebeub bneb .— conservatives will do something about that . well,— conservatives will do something about that . well, yes , it does about that. well, yes, it does beeb— about that. well, yes, it does beeb ee— about that. well, yes, it does feel as though _ about that. well, yes, it does feel as though it's getting more and feel as though it's getting more enb mere— feel as though it's getting more and more expensive. it does feel to and more expensive. it does feel be bebe— and more expensive. it does feel be bebe eb— and more expensive. it does feel to lots of drivers— and more expensive. it does feel to lots of drivers as— and more expensive. it does feel to lots of drivers as though the wnebe— to lots of drivers as though the wnebe eb— to lots of drivers as though the whole of westminster is sort of ebebneb— whole of westminster is sort of eeebneb bbem.— whole of westminster is sort of against them. jeremy hunt is breezbnb— against them. jeremy hunt is breezbnb bueb— against them. jeremy hunt is freezing fuel-as- against them. jeremy hunt is freezing fuel as expected , freezing fuel duty as expected, beeenbbebbe— freezing fuel duty as expected, essentially-every— freezing fuel duty as expected, essentially every budget, the essentially in every budget, the cneneebber— essentially in every budget, the chancellor says— essentially in every budget, the chancellor says he's going to reee— chancellor says he's going to bueb— chancellor says he's going to raise fuel duty. _ chancellor says he's going to raise fuel duty. the sun puts a lot raise fuel duty. the sun puts a beb eb— raise fuel duty. the sun puts a beb eb e— raise fuel duty. the sun puts a beb eb e beb— raise fuel duty. the sun puts a lot of a lot of— raise fuel duty. the sun puts a lot of a lot of pressure on the cneneebber.— lot of a lot of pressure on the chancellor, not— lot of a lot of pressure on the chancellor, not to— lot of a lot of pressure on the chancellor, not to raise fuel bube— chancellor, not to raise fuel bube. bnb— chancellor, not to raise fuel duty. and sure— chancellor, not to raise fuel duty. and sure enough , like duty. and sure enough, like ebeebwerb— duty. and sure enough, like clockwork, decides not clockwork, he decides not to reee— clockwork, he decides not to rebee—bbeb- clockwork, he decides not to raise _that is. raise fuel duty. so that is eemebnbnb— raise fuel duty. so that is something for— raise fuel duty. so that is something for motorists. but as you— something for motorists. but as eeu eee— something for motorists. but as eeu eee .— something for motorists. but as eeu eee . bbe— something for motorists. but as you say , the cost— something for motorists. but as you say , the cost of driving are you say, the cost of driving are going— you say, the cost of driving are going up— you say, the cost of driving are going up enb— you say, the cost of driving are going up enb ub— you say, the cost of driving are going up and up, especially in benben— going up and up, especially in london, where— going up and up, especially in london, where ulez just makes brbwbnb— london, where ulez just makes driving cripplingly expensive . driving cripplingly expensive. bnb— driving cripplingly expensive. bnb eb— driving cripplingly expensive. and of course— driving cripplingly expensive. and of course the people who beeb— and of course the people who beeb-brunb— and of course the people who feel-brunt of— and of course the people who feel-brunt of that- and of course the people who feel brunt of that tend to feel the brunt of that tend to be bbe— feel the brunt of that tend to be me beee— feel the brunt of that tend to be the less wealthy. if you are een— be the less wealthy. if you are eerb eb— be the less wealthy. if you are sort of-collar_ be the less wealthy. if you are sort of collar worker sort of white collar worker bbwbnb — sort of white collar worker bbwbnb bn— sort of white collar worker bbwbne bn e— sort of white collar worker living in a in— sort of white collar worker living in a in a— sort of white collar worker living in a in a nice leafy ebreeb— living in a in a nice leafy street, then— living in a in a nice leafy street, then you might be a benebbebere— street, then you might be a beneficiary of— street, then you might be a beneficiary of a— street, then you might be a beneficiary of a low traffic neighbourhood _ beneficiary of a low traffic neighbourhood because essentially— neighbourhood because essentially traffic is being bbwerbeb— essentially traffic is being diverted down _ essentially traffic is being diverted down a bigger, more bebbubeb— diverted down a bigger, more

polluted road— diverted down a bigger, more polluted road and away from your mee— polluted road and away from your beebe— polluted road and away from your nice leafy road,— polluted road and away from your nice leafy road, lovely abode . nice leafy road, lovely abode. bbeebubebe. — nice leafy road, lovely abode. absolutely. and _ nice leafy road, lovely abode. absolutely. and instead of brbwbnb— absolutely. and instead of driving yourself , you might driving yourself, you might eneeee— driving yourself, you might eneeee be— driving yourself, you might choose to drive— driving yourself, you might choose to drive into the shops to choose to drive into the shops be beb— choose to drive into the shops be eeb eeur— choose to drive into the shops to get your groceries. for erenebe.— to get your groceries. for eeembbe. eeu— to get your groceries. for example, you might choose to get eeur— example, you might choose to get eeur ereeerbee— example, you might choose to get your groceries-well- your groceries driven in. well someone's be driving someone's got to be driving bneee— someone's got to be driving those groceries— someone's got to be driving those groceries in quite i mbnb.— those groceries in quite i bnbnb. b— those groceries in quite i think. i think— those groceries in quite i think. i think fair to those groceries in quite i think. i think fairto say think. i think it's fair to say bbeb— think. i think it's fair to say be e— think. i think it's fair to say be e beb— think. i think it's fair to say that a lot people see this as that a lot of people see this as an that a lot of people see this as en-en bbe— that a lot of people see this as an-on the-quotes,- an attack on the in quotes, werbbnb— an attack on the in quotes, working-people- an attack on the in quotes, working people who need to working class people who need to get working class people who need to beb-ber— working class people who need to beb-ber bbeb— working class people who need to get-for their living.- get about for their living. beeebw— get about for their living. exactly thank— get about for their living. exactly thank very much exactly thank you very much bnbeeb. — exactly thank you very much indeed. _utley, - exactly thank you very much indeed. utley, our indeed. olivia utley, our bebbbbeeb— indeed. olivia utley, our- political—taking political reporter there taking us political reporter there taking ue—bneb- political reporter there taking ue—bneb bbb- political reporter there takingi us_that big story us through that. that big story bennbnb— us through that. that big story banning motorways at banning smart motorways or at beeeb— banning smart motorways or at. beeeb—mbnb least new smart motorways right now , a landmark— least new smart motorways right now , a landmark week in the now, a landmark week in the goemments— now, a landmark week in the government's battle to solve the mbbrenb— government's battle to solve the mberenb erbebe— government's battle to solve the migrant crisis has— government's battle to solve the migrant crisis has anything enenbeb— migrant crisis has anything changed friday marked changed really? friday marked eeer— changed really? friday marked one year since— changed really? friday marked one year since the controversial bwenbe— one year since the controversial bwenbe-wee— one year since the controversial rwanda was announced . of rwanda deal was announced. of course, since then,— rwanda deal was announced. of course, since then, absolutely no course, since then, absolutely ne eeebum — course, since then, absolutely no asylum seekers have actually been— no asylum seekers have actually been bub— no asylum seekers have actually been buble— no asylum seekers have actually been put-a plane— no asylum seekers have actually been put a plane to the been put in a plane to the eeunbre— been put in a plane to the eeunbre. beeb— been put in a plane to the country. last june , a late country. last june, a late intervention— country. last june, a late intervention by- country. last june, a late intervention by the echr , the intervention by the echr, the burebeen— intervention by the echr, the european court— intervention by the echr, the european court for human rights bbeebeb— european court for human rights bbeebeb e— european court for human rights blocked a flight— european court for human rights blocked a flight carrying a nenbbub— blocked a flight carrying a handful migrants from taking handful of migrants from taking off. handful of migrants from taking ebb. iebb— handful of migrants from taking off.-all remember- handful of migrants from taking off. all remember and off. we all remember that. and beeb— off. we all remember that. and last—bravermanl off. we all remember that. and. last—braverman was off. we all remember that. and laeranda braverman was off. we all remember that. and laeranda for braverman was off. we all remember that. and laeranda for herself. iverman was off. we all remember that. and laeranda for herself. she 1an was in rwanda for herself. she bnebeebeb— in rwanda for herself. she inspected accommodation that was eubbeeeb— inspected accommodation that was eubbeeeb be— inspected accommodation that was eubbeeeb be be— inspected accommodation that was supposed to be used to house

eeebum— supposed to be used to house eeebum-sne- supposed to be used to house asylum _she was- asylum seekers. she was ebberenbbe— asylum seekers. she was ebberenbbe ee— asylum seekers. she was apparently so impressed by it bbeb— apparently so impressed by it me ene— apparently so impressed by it that she joked— apparently so impressed by it that she joked she wanted the eb— that she joked she wanted the eb bbe— that she joked she wanted the name of the interior designer. bub— name of the interior designer. bub-bbe— name of the interior designer. bub-bne beubn- name of the interior designer. but the tough talk from but for all the tough talk from the but for all the tough talk from bne—bne- but for all the tough talk fromj bne—bne-tueb the government, the plan, just bbe— the government, the plan, just bbbe bne— the government, the plan, just like the-meant- the government, the plan, just like the _meant to - like the planes meant to take beebbe— like the planes meant to take people-rwanda,— like the planes meant to take people rwanda, hasn't quite people to rwanda, hasn't quite got people to rwanda, hasn't quite beb ebb— people to rwanda, hasn't quite eeb ebb-ereunb.— people to rwanda, hasn't quite got off ground. so what are got off the ground. so what are the got off the ground. so what are me brebbeme— got off the ground. so what are the problems here? joining me be— the problems here? joining me be bne— the problems here? joining me now is the director for the cenbre— now is the director for the cenbre ber— now is the director for the centre for migration and beenembe— centre for migration and- economic—stephen centre for migration and- econorthank-stephen centre for migration and econorthank you, stephen.en centre for migration and econorthank you, stephen. and wolff. thank you, stephen. and bmmbbrebben— wolff. thank you, stephen. and immigration lawyerjaap van immigration lawyer jaap van beeb— immigration lawyer jaap van gaal, stephen,— immigration lawyer jaap van gaal, stephen, lots of talk ebeub— gaal, stephen, lots of talk about migrants— gaal, stephen, lots of talk about migrants stopping the beebe— about migrants stopping the boats, sending— about migrants stopping the boats, sending people off to bwenbe— boats, sending people off to bwenbe be— boats, sending people off to rwanda to we're— boats, sending people off to rwanda to we're getting all this ebubb— rwanda to we're getting all this ebubb. bub— rwanda to we're getting all this stuff, but nothing— rwanda to we're getting all this stuff, but nothing seems to be bebbeneb— stuff, but nothing seems to be happening what— stuff, but nothing seems to be happening. what is the major, meet-r— happening. what is the major, mete bebb-ub— happening. what is the major, major hold—up okay, well, quite brenbbe— major hold—up okay, well, quite brenbbe bne — major hold—up okay, well, quite frankly, the biggest hold that the government— frankly, the biggest hold that the government have are in two benbeuber— the government have are in two benbeuber ereee— the government have are in two particular areas. _ the government have are in two particular areas. �*" particular areas. the first is legislation and legal challenges. and the second is in terms of preparation and kind of the administration of the process. so let's deal with number— process. so let's deal with number one, the- b so let's deal with number one, the courts are still got number one, the courts are still beb eme— number one, the courts are still got some decisions— number one, the courts are still

got some decisions to be made in rebebben— got some decisions to be made in rebebben be— got some decisions to be made in relation to the— got some decisions to be made in relation to the rwanda deal that we've been successes for the ewemmenb — we've been successes for the government. that- we've been successes for the government. that means that the program can continue. but there are still some challenges that they to and they won't they need to face and they won't be with until the summer. be dealt with until the summer. and secondly, the legislation, benbeuberbe— and secondly, the legislation, particularly that— and secondly, the legislation, particularly that the illegal particularly that of the illegal mbbrebben— particularly that of the illegal migration bill,— particularly that of the illegal migration bill, still has amendments- migration bill, still has amendments that needs to go bnreubn— amendments that needs to go bnreubn bn— amendments that needs to go through in the— amendments that needs to go through in the house of lords ebebbeneee— through in the house of lords challenges. so— through in the house of lords challenges. so they're big, big bnb— challenges. so they're big, big issues. and of— challenges. so they're big, big issues. and of course, secondly issues. and of course, secondly be bne— issues. and of course, secondly is the administered nation and breeeeebnb.— is the administered nation and processing. once— is the administered nation and processing. once you've got the beebbe— processing. once you've got the beebbe bnbe— processing. once you've got the beebbe bnbe bne— processing. once you've got the people into the hotel accommodation that we've looked at accommodation that we've looked eb reeenbbe— accommodation that we've looked eb reeenbbe enb— accommodation that we've looked at recently and maybe the barges or at recently and maybe the barges er bne— at recently and maybe the barges er bne eembe— at recently and maybe the barges er bne eembe .— at recently and maybe the barges or the camps , there is still the or the camps, there is still the reeue— or the camps, there is still the eb— or the camps, there is still the eb new— or the camps, there is still the issue of how do— or the camps, there is still the issue of how do you actually breneben— issue of how do you actually transport these _ issue of how do you actually transport these people to rwanda and transport these people to rwanda bnb bbere— transport these people to rwanda and there aren't— transport these people to rwanda and there aren't sufficient bbenee— and there aren't sufficient bbenee bn— and there aren't sufficient planes in place . so those are planes in place. so those are big— planes in place. so those are be eeuee— planes in place. so those are be eeuee. — planes in place. so those are big issues. farage- planes in place. so those are big issues. 3 c. planes in place. so those are big issues . g c. t: big issues. farage up the rwanda policy. do you think it's necessary to stop the boats ? necessary to stop the boats? it's essentially the rwanda bebbe— it's essentially the rwanda bebee be— it's essentially the rwanda bebee be e— it's essentially the rwanda policy is a deterrent policy . policy is a deterrent policy. be— policy is a deterrent policy. be berbne— policy is a deterrent policy. it's hoping that— policy is a deterrent policy. it's hoping that by threatening reeebe— it's hoping that by threatening beebbe. were— it's hoping that by threatening people, we're going to send them to people, we're going to send them be bwenbe. — people, we're going to send them be bwenbe. bbbe— people, we're going to send them to rwanda. it's going to stop

beeeb— to rwanda. it's going to stop beeeb beebbe— to rwanda. it's going to stop 50,000 people coming over a year . enb— 50,000 people coming over a year . enb bbbe— 50,000 people coming over a year . enb bbbe eemb— 50,000 people coming over a year . enb bbbe going be— 50,000 people coming over a year , and it's going to effectively ebee— , and it's going to effectively ebeb bne— , and it's going to effectively ebeb bne beebbe— , and it's going to effectively stop the people smugglers eenbbnb— stop the people smugglers sending people over who are the wne— sending people over who are the ones who profit— sending people over who are the ones who profit this and ones who profit from this and mebe— ones who profit from this and nebe-menee— ones who profit from this and make money from this. and make the money from this. and bwe— make the money from this. and be ebweee— make the money from this. and i've always said— make the money from this. and i've always said many times it's ebmeeb— i've always said many times it's ebmeeb bbbe— i've always said many times it's almost like saying— i've always said many times it's almost like saying if we almost like saying that if we bne— almost like saying that if we scare the drug— almost like saying that if we scare the drug users or lock up bne— scare the drug users or lock up be brub— scare the drug users or lock up be drug ueere— scare the drug users or lock up the drug users, then we're nebbnb— the drug users, then we're nebbne bbeb— the drug users, then we're hoping that drug dealing will ebee— hoping that drug dealing will ebeb beebbe— hoping that drug dealing will stop people smugglers don't care ebeub— stop people smugglers don't care ebeub wnere— stop people smugglers don't care about where the— stop people smugglers don't care about where the client or their bbem.— about where the client or their ebbenb. enb— about where the client or their client, and they're asylum eeeeb— client, and they're asylum seeker ends— client, and they're asylum seeker ends up— client, and they're asylum seeker ends up there promised to get seeker ends up there promised to eeb eemeene— seeker ends up there promised to get someone onto— seeker ends up there promised to get someone onto british soil. bbeb-e— get someone onto british soil. bbeb-e bne— get someone onto british soil. that's the end— get someone onto british soil. that's the end of— get someone onto british soil. that's the end of their job. ence— that's the end of their job. one bbeb-e— that's the end of their job. once that's done, their payments ebeer— once that's done, their payments ebeer enb— once that's done, their payments ebeer enb bbee— once that's done, their payments clear and they usually take our menee— clear and they usually take our menee ub— clear and they usually take our menee ub brenb— clear and they usually take our money up front anyway. so what eemebebe— money up front anyway. so what eemebebe beee— money up front anyway. so what somebody does regardless when bbee— somebody does regardless when bnee-nere— somebody does regardless when bnee-nere er— somebody does regardless when they-here or where - somebody does regardless when they here or where they're they get here or where they're eenb—bebb- they get here or where they're eenb—beeb bn- sent or if they're kept in bebenbben— sent or if they're kept in detention for— sent or if they're kept in detention for year or so, detention for a year or so, bbeb-e— detention for a year or so, bneb-e neb— detention for a year or so, that's not really- detention for a year or so, that's not really part of the beeb— that's not really part of the beeb enb— that's not really part of the deal and-it— that's not really part of the deal and it works. so deal and how it works. so essentially— deal and how it works. so essentially there's nothing here to essentially there's nothing here be eebeb— essentially there's nothing here be eeben bne— essentially there's nothing here to catch the gangs as such and ebee— to catch the gangs as such and ebeb bne— to catch the gangs as such and ebeb bne benbe— to catch the gangs as such and stop the gangs sending people wneb— stop the gangs sending people over. what this— stop the gangs sending people over. what this is— stop the gangs sending people over. what this is saying, the wnebe— over. what this is saying, the wnebe bebbe— over. what this is saying, the whole policy we're hopefully whole policy is we're hopefully we-re—beebbel whole policy is we're hopefullyi we're—people into we're going to scare people into to, we're going to scare people into belbnew— we're going to scare people into belbnew neb— we're going to scare people into to, know, not crossing the to, you know, not crossing the cnenneb— to, you know, not crossing the cnenneb enb— to, you know, not crossing the channel and initially saying eemb— channel and initially saying going be— channel and initially saying we're going to hope that by eeerbnb— we're going to hope that by eeenne boo— we're going to hope that by scaring 500 people, we're going

to scaring 500 people, we're going be ebee— scaring 500 people, we're going be ebee-eeebe- scaring 500 people, we're going to stop people coming to stop 50,000 people coming . bnb— to stop 50,000 people coming over . and whether it works or over. and whether it works or note— over. and whether it works or neb. bb— over. and whether it works or neb. bb brewee— over. and whether it works or not, it proves in— over. and whether it works or not, it proves in the pudding. webb— not, it proves in the pudding. webb sbebben— not, it proves in the pudding. well, stephen, of— not, it proves in the pudding. well, stephen, of course- not, it proves in the pudding. well, stephen, of course, it does much depend on the does very much depend on the deterrent effect. does very much depend on the flights actually taking off. i do believe that if the flights were to take off , the flights were to take off, that would act as a deterrent because people crossing the channel aren't hoping to end up in rwanda . well, holyrood is in rwanda. well, holyrood is rreb— in rwanda. well, holyrood is rreb bn— in rwanda. well, holyrood is correct in the— in rwanda. well, holyrood is correct in the sense- i“ 7: well, holyrood is correct in the sense that in erber— correct in the sense that in erber ber— correct in the sense that in erber ber e— correct in the sense that in order for a deterrent system to web.— order for a deterrent system to werb. bb— order for a deterrent system to werb. bb mueb— order for a deterrent system to work, it must frighten in this bwe bebee— work, it must frighten in this case, two types of people . the case, two types of people. the bbeb— case, two types of people. the bbreb be— case, two types of people. the bbreb be me — case, two types of people. the first is the people— case, two types of people. the first is the people smugglers, enb— first is the people smugglers, enb bne— first is the people smugglers, and the second— first is the people smugglers, and the second are those who are buebnb— and the second are those who are buying bne— and the second are those who are buying the services.— and the second are those who are buying the services. and people emueebere— buying the services. and people emueebere ere— buying the services. and people smugglers are just like any form of smugglers are just like any form eb bue— smugglers are just like any form of business. but— smugglers are just like any form of business. but in— smugglers are just like any form of business. but in an illegal bnb— of business. but in an illegal sense. and if— of business. but in an illegal sense. and if the— of business. but in an illegal sense. and if the costs of that buebneee— sense. and if the costs of that business becomes— sense. and if the costs of that business becomes too difficult, bnen— business becomes too difficult, bnen bbee— business becomes too difficult, bnen bnee eberb— business becomes too difficult, then they start to _ business becomes too difficult, then they start to slow down or bnbe— then they start to slow down or move into other— then they start to slow down or move into other areas. maybe eebererbme— move into other areas. maybe cybercrime, maybe return back to werbbnb— cybercrime, maybe return back to werbbnb wbbb— cybercrime, maybe return back to working with some— cybercrime, maybe return back to working with some of the drug gangs— working with some of the drug benee-bbnbbnb- working with some of the drug benee-bnbnb bn- gangs that are linking in bebween— gangs that are linking in between afghanistan to turkey, for between afghanistan to turkey, ber example— between afghanistan to turkey, for example, and— between afghanistan to turkey, for example, and at the moment, beuee— for example, and at the moment, beuee eeu— for example, and at the moment, because you can— for example, and at the moment, because you can still get most of because you can still get most eb bbeb— because you can still get most of their clients— because you can still get most of their clients into the uk, bnen— of their clients into the uk,

bnen bbeb— of their clients into the uk, then that smuggling group are happy— then that smuggling group are happy to_ then that smuggling group are happy to continue even with rebueeb— happy to continue even with reduced prices.— happy to continue even with reduced prices. and as seen in bne— reduced prices. and as seen in me bbbenben— reduced prices. and as seen in the albanian case,— reduced prices. and as seen in the albanian case, it used to be bbeeb— the albanian case, it used to be beeeb ereee— the albanian case, it used to be £5,000 cross and— the albanian case, it used to be £5,000 cross and now they're ebberbnb— £5,000 cross and now they're offering 3000— £5,000 cross and now they're offering 3000 for— £5,000 cross and now they're offering 3000 for mum and dad enb— offering 3000 for mum and dad enb eeur— offering 3000 for mum and dad enb eeur enbbb— offering 3000 for mum and dad and your child goes free. so unbbb— and your child goes free. so unbbb bbeb— and your child goes free. so until that part— and your child goes free. so until that part of the deal is, is until that part of the deal is, be eemebebeb— until that part of the deal is, is completed and that does mean bubbbnb— is completed and that does mean bubbbne beebbe— is completed and that does mean putting peepie in— is completed and that does mean putting people in the in the bebenbben— putting people in the in the detention centres after 28 days mewbnb— detention centres after 28 days mewbnb bbem— detention centres after 28 days moving them off— detention centres after 28 days moving them off or another eeunbre— moving them off or another eeunbre bijab— moving them off or another country hijab . _ moving them off or another country hijab . . ”ri; : country hijab. are you surprised that almost half of britain's back the rwanda policy does that statistic surprise you or does that sound sound about right? because it does seem sometimes in the in the media world, at least or in westminster, that there has never been a more evil policy ever suggested ever in time ? well, i think when people time? well, i think when people are time? well, i think when people eebb— time? well, i think when people eebb e— time? well, i think when people are sold a dream,— c i“ri;7 well, i think when people are sold a dream, they'll . go to are sold a dream, they'll. go to ebbeebe— are sold a dream, they'll. go to ebbeebe be— are sold a dream, they'll. go to effects to make _ are sold a dream, they'll. go to effects to make sure that it wbbb— effects to make sure that it wbbb be— effects to make sure that it will go through. so if i'm brembeeb— will go through. so if i'm brembeeb e— will go through. so if i'm promised a lamborghini or you are promised a lamborghini or you brembeeb— promised a lamborghini or you brembeeb e— promised a lamborghini or you are promised a lamborghini, webb— are promised a lamborghini, we-bb be— are promised a lamborghini, we'll be dreaming about it all

mbnb— we'll be dreaming about it all mbnb-webb— we'll be dreaming about it all night-we'll do— we'll be dreaming about it all night we'll do anything night and we'll do anything wnben— night and we'll do anything which shows— night and we'll do anything which shows us— night and we'll do anything which shows us little bit of a which shows us a little bit of a bummer— which shows us a little bit of a ebmmer bbeb— which shows us a little bit of a glimmer that we— which shows us a little bit of a glimmer that we get that lambo in glimmer that we get that lambo bn-brbwe— glimmer that we get that lambo bn-brbwe bn— glimmer that we get that lambo in .drive in the _ glimmer that we get that lambo in drive in the morning or in our drive in the morning or by in our drive in the morning or be—enb- in our drive in the morning or be—enb we-bbl by the next year, and we'll eneee— by the next year, and we'll| chase—however by the next year, and we'll- chase_however the chase that dream. however the beeb— chase that dream. however the beeb be— chase that dream. however the beeb be bbee— chase that dream. however the fact is they might— chase that dream. however the fact is they might not be a lamborghini— fact is they might not be a lamborghini at— fact is they might not be a lamborghini at the end of of lamborghini at the end of all of bnbe— lamborghini at the end of all of bbbe enb— lamborghini at the end of all of this, and-might— lamborghini at the end of all of this, and might not be a this, and they might not be a bebbe— this, and they might not be a bebee bbeb— this, and they might not be a policy that works— this, and they might not be a policy that works if we go by bebbe. — policy that works if we go by polls. .remember,- policy that works if we go by polls. remember, this polls. and remember, this is a bewernmenb— polls. and remember, this is a government doesn't government that doesn't necessarily— necessarily believe in polls, bnen—e- necessarily believe in polls,l bnen—e breeb then this hasn't made a great bbbberenee— then this hasn't made a great difference-rishi _ then this hasn't made a great difference rishi sunak difference to rishi sunak ebenbbne— difference to rishi sunak standing. still polling as standing. he's still polling as beb— standing. he's still polling as beb ee— standing. he's still polling as beb eelbe— standing. he's still polling as bad as.is, and— standing. he's still polling as bad as is, and the tories are bad as he is, and the tories are ebbbb— bad as he is, and the tories are ebbbb beebnb— bad as he is, and the tories are still facing wipe—out at the newb— still facing wipe—out at the next election.— still facing wipe—out at the next election. so i mean, bbeebre— next election. so i mean, bneebre berbne- next election. so i mean, they're hoping for increase they're hoping for an increase in they're hoping for an increase bn bebbe— they're hoping for an increase bn bebbe enb— they're hoping for an increase in polls and hoping that the party— in polls and hoping that the bene een— in polls and hoping that the bene bebb— in polls and hoping that the party can poll better. and beebbbe— party can poll better. and beebbbe bebe— party can poll better. and despite 50% saying this and webb— despite 50% saying this and well, obviously— despite 50% saying this and well, obviously the others not agreeing— well, obviously the others not agreeing be— well, obviously the others not agreeing be n,— well, obviously the others not agreeing to it, it's almost like bwe— agreeing to it, it's almost like we een— agreeing to it, it's almost like we een eb— agreeing to it, it's almost like i've sort of said— agreeing to it, it's almost like i've sort of said the british bubbe— i've sort of said the british bubbe be— i've sort of said the british public is being— i've sort of said the british public is being sold a dream. wewe— public is being sold a dream. we've seen that— public is being sold a dream. we've seen that over the past six we've seen that over the past ebe eeere— we've seen that over the past ebe eeere being— we've seen that over the past six years being sold a dream not being— six years being sold a dream not being achievable.— six years being sold a dream not being achievable. and then okay . eerre— being achievable. and then okay . eerre eeb— being achievable. and then okay , sorry, we've got problems. wewe— , sorry, we've got problems. we-we beb— , sorry, we've got problems. we've got complications . and the we've got complications. and the fact we've got complications. and the beeb be— we've got complications. and the beeb be be — we've got complications. and the fact is this. we— we've got complications. and the fact is this. we in— we've got complications. and the fact is this. we in the past six eeere— fact is this. we in the past six eeere ee— fact is this. we in the past six years since we— fact is this. we in the past six years since we negotiated our eebb— years since we negotiated our eebb wbbb— years since we negotiated our eebb wbbn bne — years since we negotiated our exit with the eu,— years since we negotiated our exit with the eu, we have only got exit with the eu, we have only eeb rebum— exit with the eu, we have only got return agreements with six

be — got return agreements with six countries. rwanda being one of bbem.— countries. rwanda being one of men. wnben— countries. rwanda being one of them, which was— countries. rwanda being one of them, which was signed recently. bnbbe— them, which was signed recently. india pakistan,— them, which was signed recently. india pakistan, serbia, nigeria enb— india pakistan, serbia, nigeria enb e— india pakistan, serbia, nigeria enb e eeubbe— india pakistan, serbia, nigeria and a couple of— india pakistan, serbia, nigeria and a couple of others. and the beeb— and a couple of others. and the beeb be— and a couple of others. and the beeb be bbee— and a couple of others. and the fact is they are— and a couple of others. and the fact is they are not— and a couple of others. and the fact is they are not going to bebe— fact is they are not going to bebe ene— fact is they are not going to take any other— fact is they are not going to take any other countries asylum eeeeb— take any other countries asylum eeeeb we— take any other countries asylum seekers on. we can't send people beeb— seekers on. we can't send people beeb be— seekers on. we can't send people beeb be bne— seekers on. we can't send people beeb be me bu— seekers on. we can't send people back to the eu anymore from wnere— back to the eu anymore from wnere bbeebre — back to the eu anymore from where they're coming france, benee— where they're coming france, brenee wen-b— where they're coming france, france won't accept it. they've bbebenbbe— france won't accept it. they've blatantly refused— france won't accept it. they've blatantly refused to sign it. any— blatantly refused to sign it. any bu— blatantly refused to sign it. any bu eeunbre— blatantly refused to sign it. any eu country out of the 21 has rebueeb— any eu country out of the 21 has rebueeb be— any eu country out of the 21 has refused to sign— any eu country out of the 21 has refused to sign a— any eu country out of the 21 has refused to sign a return eereemenb— refused to sign a return agreement with us. so i don't unberebenb— agreement with us. so i don't understand where we're going to eenb— understand where we're going to eenb bneee— understand where we're going to send these people— understand where we're going to send these people to. how are you— send these people to. how are eeu eemb— send these people to. how are eeu going be— send these people to. how are you going to send— send these people to. how are you going to send 50,000 people somewhere - know, - you going to send 50,000 people somewhere know, how are somewhere, you know, and how are you somewhere, you know, and how are eeu-be— somewhere, you know, and how are eeu-be bee— somewhere, you know, and how are eeu-be bee bbem- somewhere, you know, and how are you to process them when you going to process them when we ebreebe— you going to process them when we already have— you going to process them when we already have a— you going to process them when we already have a backlog of reebee— we already have a backlog of 160,000 claims— we already have a backlog of 160,000 claims waiting more than a 160,000 claims waiting more than e eeer— 160,000 claims waiting more than eeeer ber— 160,000 claims waiting more than eeeer ber e— 160,000 claims waiting more than a year for a decision— 160,000 claims waiting more than a year for a decision , hijab and a year for a decision, hijab and bbeb— a year for a decision, hijab and nbteb .— a year for a decision, hijab and hijab . eeue— a year for a decision, hijab and hijab . eeure were— a year for a decision, hijab and hijab , you're very you're very hijab, you're very you're very nebebbwe— hijab, you're very you're very negative here. _ hijab, you're very you're very negative here. : negative here. but that does reflect the public opinion because the public are well, the pubuc because the public are well, the public are well aware that they're being sold a dream. apparently arnie because they don't believe the rwanda policy will actually happen. but what they do know, that's the dream . they do know, that's the dream. but the reality is that that more and more places in the

country are being used to house migrants. and that brings me on to something else that i wanted to something else that i wanted to about. stephen which is to talk about. stephen which is ministers locals no say ministers to give locals no say over camps . these are over migrant camps. these are changes to planning law planning legislation that will allow the home office essentially to say x amount of migrants are going in that building over there in that raaf base, in that prison, former prison, whatever it is , former prison, whatever it is, and locals , if you have a and locals, if you have a problem with it, we don't care. all we need is michael gove to say, okay, they're going in there and that's job done. well, yes, i'd certainly follow in. my yes, i'd certainly follow in. my dream would be a jaguar f-type_ my dream would be a jaguar r-bebe er— my dream would be a jaguar r-bebe er e— my dream would be a jaguar f—type or a mclaren one. but beben— f—type or a mclaren one. but beben benbn— f—type or a mclaren one. but aston martin, for— f—type or a mclaren one. but aston martin, for me . but aston martin, for me. but beebbnb— aston martin, for me. but beebbnb eb— aston martin, for me. but looking at that- aston martin, for me. but looking at that , you've got to looking at that, you've got to say— looking at that, you've got to eee be — looking at that, you've got to eee be me — looking at that, you've got to say to the government here, this embe— say to the government here, this embe eb— say to the government here, this smacks of desperation in the bbeb— smacks of desperation in the first instance.— smacks of desperation in the first instance. it— smacks of desperation in the first instance. it also is ebeerbe— first instance. it also is ebeerbe berne- first instance. it also is clearly going to be one that brbwee— clearly going to be one that drives voters— clearly going to be one that drives voters away from them in the drives voters away from them in me eeee— drives voters away from them in the areas, because— drives voters away from them in the areas, because as we know, bwe— the areas, because as we know, bbwe eub— the areas, because as we know, bbwe eub eb— the areas, because as we know, bbwe eub eb ewere— the areas, because as we know, five out of every six asylum nebebe— five out of every six asylum nebebe ere— five out of every six asylum hotels are placed in the poorest eb— hotels are placed in the poorest eb bne— hotels are placed in the poorest areas of the country. stoke,

manchester,— areas of the country. stoke, manchester, glasgow , newcastle, manchester, glasgow, newcastle, some in birmingham . and what you some in birmingham. and what you ben-b— some in birmingham. and what you ben-b eee— some in birmingham. and what you ben-b ere— some in birmingham. and what you don't see are the— some in birmingham. and what you don't see are the leafy areas enb— don't see are the leafy areas enb bn— don't see are the leafy areas and in particular— don't see are the leafy areas and in particular you don't see bbem— and in particular you don't see bnem bn— and in particular you don't see bnem bn bne— and in particular you don't see them in the liberal democrat areas who are— them in the liberal democrat areas who are amongst the bbeeeeb— areas who are amongst the biggest campaign donors for mbbrenb— biggest campaign donors for migrant rights— biggest campaign donors for migrant rights and people to come over here. _ migrant rights and people to come over here. so if the bewernmenb— come over here. so if the government is- come over here. so if the government is going to put them into government is going to put them bnbe bne— government is going to put them bnbe bne eeee— government is going to put them into the areas where the liberal bemeerebe— into the areas where the liberal democrats are _ into the areas where the liberal democrats are-in— democrats are or in the conservative _ democrats are or in the conservative leafy areas and beree— conservative leafy areas and beree bbem— conservative leafy areas and force them through, it might mebe— force them through, it might mebe ebber— force them through, it might make other people think about the consequences— make other people think about the consequences of the costs , the consequences of the costs, neb— the consequences of the costs, neb enbe— the consequences of the costs, neb enbe be— the consequences of the costs, not only to their— the consequences of the costs, not only to their local community,- not only to their local community, but ultimately to the eemebeb— community, but ultimately to the councils, because _ community, but ultimately to the councils, because once these beebbe— councils, because once these beebbe eeb— councils, because once these people get asylum, it's the eeunebbe— people get asylum, it's the councils that— people get asylum, it's the councils that are taking on the eeeb— councils that are taking on the eeeb bn— councils that are taking on the cost in housing— councils that are taking on the cost in housing and in benefits . us— cost in housing and in benefits . us bebbe— cost in housing and in benefits . us hodge ub— cost in housing and in benefits . us hodge up just- cost in housing and in benefits . us hodge up just lastly, it is quite easy to be a liberal with your arms open if you're not directly affected by the constraints on local accommodation or your local services and things. stephen's got a point there . if migrants got a point there. if migrants are placed in areas that are typically refugee welcome but don't actually see many refugees, that could change the discussion, could it not? if you understand what i'm trying to

say , yeah, it might do it all say, yeah, it might do it all depends on pressures on certain communities. but depends on pressures on certain communities . but what happens, communities. but what happens, wneb— communities. but what happens, wneb bnbe— communities. but what happens, what this government— b i“ c but what happens, what this government has to neenbreeeb— what this government has to concentrate on— what this government has to concentrate on is— what this government has to concentrate on is their red wall ebere— concentrate on is their red wall ebere .— concentrate on is their red wall ebere . wnben— concentrate on is their red wall voters , which they— concentrate on is their red wall voters , which they won over last voters, which they won over last bbme. — voters, which they won over last bbme. bew— voters, which they won over last time. now these— voters, which they won over last time. now these were traditionally- time. now these were traditionally labour voters in the traditionally labour voters in me bbeb— traditionally labour voters in the first place. _ traditionally labour voters in the first place. �*7 g: the first place. if they managed to upset them again, they're going to go running back to labour. they won't take two mbnubee— labour. they won't take two mbnubee be— labour. they won't take two mbnubee be be— ” they won't take two minutes to go running back to bebeur— minutes to go running back to bebeur-we-bb— minutes to go running back to labour-we'll see- minutes to go running back to labour we'll see that red labour and we'll see that red webb— labour and we'll see that red wall become— labour and we'll see that red wall become again. and you wall become red again. and you mew.— wall become red again. and you mew—bbebbe- know, then they'll that's exeebbe— know, then they'll that's exactly what _ know, then they'll that's exactly what the polls are eeebnb. — exactly what the polls are eeebne. se — exactly what the polls are saying. so what we've to do, saying. so what we've got to do, wneb— saying. so what we've got to do, what-government- saying. so what we've got to do, what government got what the government have got to get what the government have got to eeb nenb— what the government have got to eeb mbnb-bbeb— what the government have got to get right-first of— what the government have got to get right first of all, get right is, first of all, bnee-we— get right is, first of all, bnee-we-e- get right is, first of all, they've a hotel . is that is they've got a hotel. is that is ebwbeuebe— they've got a hotel. is that is ebwbeuebe e— they've got a hotel. is that is obviously a problem for the governments— obviously a problem for the governments and the local eeunebbe— governments and the local councils _tol governments and the local. councils _to get councils. they've got to get bbeb— councils. they've got to get bbeb-bbeb— councils. they've got to get that-that might- councils. they've got to get that that might include that right. that might include a bbeeueeben— that right. that might include a discussion-letting- that right. that might include a discussion letting asylum discussion on letting asylum eeeeb— discussion on letting asylum eeebere-enb— discussion on letting asylum seekers-and pay- discussion on letting asylum. seekers-and pay-own seekers work and pay their own wee.— seekers work and pay their own wee. .beeb— seekers work and pay their own wee. .beeb bbeb— seekers work and pay their own way. .fact that they- seekers work and pay their own way. fact that they can't way. the fact that they can't werb. — way. the fact that they can't were-eenb— way. the fact that they can't werb-een-b bee- way. the fact that they can't work, can't pay rent, they work, they can't pay rent, they newen-b— work, they can't pay rent, they newen-b beb— work, they can't pay rent, they haven't got - access - work, they can't pay rent, they haven't got access to haven't got any access to neuebnb— haven't got any access to neuebnb er— haven't got any access to housing or any- haven't got any access to housing or any sort of means of bnb— housing or any sort of means of income. and they— housing or any sort of means of income. and they have to work in a income. and they have to work in e-merbeb— income. and they have to work in e-merbeb bbeb— income. and they have to work in a-market that is— a black market that is essentially— a black market that is essentially that's not going to nebben. — essentially that's not going to nebben. bbeb— essentially that's not going to nebben. bneb be— essentially that's not going to happen. that is a— essentially that's not going to happen. that is a discussion bbeb— happen. that is a discussion bneb neebe— happen. that is a discussion that needs to— happen. that is a discussion that needs to happen. that's a wnebe— that needs to happen. that's a whole nether— that needs to happen. that's a whole nother debate, isn't it?

and that's the fact is if you beb— and that's the fact is if you beb bnem — and that's the fact is if you let them work,— and that's the fact is if you let them work, then the discussion _ let them work, then the discussion is— let them work, then the discussion is going turn discussion is going to turn reunb— discussion is going to turn reunb be.— discussion is going to turn around to, well,- discussion is going to turn around to, well, actually you're going— around to, well, actually you're berneleneeurebe— around to, well, actually you're going encourage this. we can going to encourage this. we can newe— going to encourage this. we can bewe—bnberrubbl have hijab. sorry to interrupt you. perhaps can have that you. perhaps we can have that discussion on discussion another time on whether should allow asylum whether we should allow asylum seekers to not while seekers to work or not while they're being waiting be they're being waiting to be processed. think think processed. i think no, i think it be after we get our it would be after we get our lambos aston lambos yeah, indeed. aston martin i can't martin for me and i can't remember what it was mclaren for steve wolf thank you. thank you very indeed, both of you. very much indeed, both of you. steven director steven wolf, who is the director for centre for migration and for the centre for migration and economic prosperity. that economic prosperity. and that was gaal, immigration was also van gaal, immigration lawyer. i think they were in pretty good spirits, despite the very seriousness that very seriousness of that discussion. watching and discussion. you are watching and listening to gb news sunday. let me know what think on those me know what you think on those topics. but up next, premier league clubs have agreed league clubs agree have agreed to on the front to ban gambling ads on the front of matchday shirts. do you think this will any impact? do this will have any impact? do they to be banned? what do they need to be banned? what do you the bma deputy you think? and the bma deputy chairman has urged teachers and doctors to strike back together. this is very worrying indeed . this is very worrying indeed. but figures but according to figures released by the office of

national statistics , the junior national statistics, the junior doctors walkouts were among the reasons excess fatalities tripled in the uk. reasons excess fatalities tripled in the uk . so are they tripled in the uk. so are they gambling with people's lives? i think i think it's fair to say they are all of that after these short messages .

yes. welcome back. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv online and digital radio. now, premier league clubs, they've agreed to ban gambling sponsorship from the front of matchday shirts , the front of matchday shirts, but clubs will still be able to feature gambling brands in areas such as the shirt sleeves and led advertising boards. the changes won't come into force for several years. at the start of the 20 2627 season season . of the 20 2627 season season. joining me now is sports broadcaster aidan magee . with me

broadcaster aidan magee. with me in the studio to discuss this. so what exactly has been decided ? this isn't actually going to happen for a little while? no, not for a couple of years. but that's not too far away.- that's not too far away. time bebe— that's not too far away. time bbebe en — that's not too far away. time bbebe en were— that's not too far away. time ticks on very, very quickly. bub— ticks on very, very quickly. bub bbe— ticks on very, very quickly. but the premier— ticks on very, very quickly. j but the premier- and ticks on very, very quickly. but the premier and let's but the premier league and let's be the premier be clear here, the premier league do anything without league don't do anything without an ulterior motive. it usually eemebnbnb— an ulterior motive. it usually something - affects - e“ it usually something affects their something that affects their brebbb— something that affects their profit - however, i something that affects their- profit - however, .this profit margins. however, on this occasion, i mean, they meet bwbee— occasion, i mean, they meet bwbee-bbmee- occasion, i mean, they meet twice,-times a- occasion, i mean, they meet twice, times a year. occasion, i mean, they meet- twice,-times a year. the twice, 2 or 3 times a year. the brember— twice, 2 or 3 times a year. the premier league— twice, 2 or 3 times a year. the premier league is comprised of the and they've decided to the clubs and they've decided to ban gambling sponsorship the ban gambling sponsorship on the front shirts. and the when front of shirts. and the when i say— front of shirts. and the when i eee brenb— front of shirts. and the when i eee brenb eb— front of shirts. and the when i say front of shirts,— front of shirts. and the when i say front of shirts, i'm- and the when i say front of shirts, i'm talking ebeub— say front of shirts, i'm talking ebeub-mem— say front of shirts, i'm talking about main sponsor here, the about the main sponsor here, the menee— about the main sponsor here, the menee-eeu— about the main sponsor here, the menee-eeu bbbe.- about the main sponsor here, the money you like. they've money shot, if you like. they've beebbeb— money shot, if you like. they've beebbeblben— money shot, if you like. they've decided-ban-by- money shot, if you like. they've decided . ban - by the - decided to ban that by the summer-2026. - decided to ban that by the summer 2026. the background summer of 2026. the background to summer of 2026. the background be-bebewe.— summer of 2026. the background to-believe,.that_ to it, i believe, is that bbere-e— to it, i believe, is that bbere-e e— to it, i believe, is that there's a regulator on its way to there's a regulator on its way be beebbebb — there's a regulator on its way to football. they— there's a regulator on its way to football. they want to be brewbnb — to football. they want to be proving .they're - to football. they want to be proving they're getting proving that they're getting bbeb— proving that they're getting- their—pre—empting their house in order pre—empting it. their house in order pre—empting bb. _muen— their house in order pre—empting bb-muen bne— their house in order pre—empting it.-much the same- their house in order pre—empting it. much the same as it. they are much the same as wnen— it. they are much the same as when manchester— it. they are much the same as when manchester were hit when manchester city were hit wbbn — when manchester city were hit wbbb-eberbee— when manchester city were hit with -charges for- when manchester city were hit with charges for financial with their charges for financial bmereerbebe— impropriety. back in february, the impropriety. back in february,| bne—bneb. the feeling behind it was that, you— the feeling behind it was that, eeu-bnee— the feeling behind it was that, eeu-bnee-be- the feeling behind it was that, you _they -to show. the feeling behind it was that,- you _they -to show they you know, they want to show they wenb— you know, they want to show they want. demonstrate _ you know, they want to show they want demonstrate the want to demonstrate to the bewernmenb— government that they're capable of government that they're capable eb—ewn — government that they're capable eb—ewn neuee- government that they're capable of_own house in. of keeping their own house in erber — of keeping their own house in erber .beb-e— of keeping their own house in order. .let's be— of keeping their own house in order. let's be clear, this order. and let's be clear, this bnbe— order. and let's be clear, this bnbe eembbnb— order. and let's be clear, this this gambling edict, if you be.— this gambling edict, if you be. bb—

this gambling edict, if you like, it wasn't— this gambling edict, if you like, it wasn't really an edict. it like, it wasn't really an edict. bb—beeemel it probably would become legislation— it probably would becomei legislation—but it probably would become- legislation_but it's legislation eventually. but it's been— legislation eventually. but it's been-bewn. — legislation eventually. but it's been _down. _itl legislation eventually. but it's. been-down. _it was been passed down. it was it was being— been passed down. it was it was being beeeeb— been passed down. it was it was being passed down— been passed down. it was it was being passed down from dcms. being passed down from the dcms. this being passed down from the dcms. bbbe—bne— this has come from the government. - this has come from the government. they're reacting government. so they're reacting to government. so they're reacting be—bne- government. so they're reacting be—bne bcbsl government. so they're reactingi to_the dcms has government. so they're reacting to decided the dcms has government. so they're reacting to decided there the dcms has government. so they're reacting to decided there was dcms has government. so they're reacting to decided there was azms has government. so they're reacting to decided there was a whiteas has decided there was a white paper— has decided there was a white beeer bbeb— has decided there was a white paper that through paper that went through parliament— paper that went through parliament so paper that went through - parliament-so they've parliament as well. so they've bnb— parliament as well. so they've kind-decided _ parliament as well. so they've kind-decided-can- parliament as well. so they've kind decided can it kind of decided they can do it bebere— kind of decided they can do it bebere bb— kind of decided they can do it before it gets— kind of decided they can do it before it gets to _ kind of decided they can do it before it gets to that stage and bbee— before it gets to that stage and bnee ben-b— before it gets to that stage and they don't really— before it gets to that stage and they don't really want to do it. i they don't really want to do it. b-ber— they don't really want to do it. i-for context,- they don't really want to do it. i-for context, it- they don't really want to do it. i for context, it doesn't i mean, for context, it doesn't ebbeeb— i mean, for context, it doesn't ebbeeb-ebe— i mean, for context, it doesn't affect-six clubs.- i mean, for context, it doesn't affect six clubs. they affect the top six clubs. they beunb — affect the top six clubs. they beunb e— affect the top six clubs. they beunb e wee— affect the top six clubs. they found a way of— affect the top six clubs. they found a way of gambling found a way of using gambling ebeneerenbb— found a way of using gambling sponsorship elsewhere than found a way of using gambling sp(the rship elsewhere than found a way of using gambling sp(the rship of ;ewhere than found a way of using gambling sp(the rship of the |ere than found a way of using gambling sp(the rship of the shirts. than found a way of using gambling sp(the rship of the shirts. you 1an on the front of the shirts. you can-secondary- on the front of the shirts. you can secondary sponsor on can have a secondary sponsor on the can have a secondary sponsor on bne-enb— can have a secondary sponsor on bne-enb en— can have a secondary sponsor on bne-enb en bne— the sleeve and on the advertising- the sleeve and on the advertising around the perimeter of advertising around the perimeter eb bne— advertising around the perimeter eb bne bbeb.— advertising around the perimeter eb bne bbben. be— advertising around the perimeter of the pitch. as you mentioned, wnen—bne-bbl when you look at the other 14 beee— when you look at the other 14 less economically— when you look at the other 14. less economically-clubs less economically powerful clubs in less economically powerful clubs bn bne — less economically powerful clubs in the premier— less economically powerful clubs in the premier league and every beebeben— in the premier league and every decision collectively decision is taken collectively as decision is taken collectively ee-bnee— decision is taken collectively ee-bnee newe- decision is taken collectively as they have have as a 20, they have to have a met-enbe— as a 20, they have to have a metenbelwebe— as a 20, they have to have a majority-vote _to i as a 20, they have to have ai majority-vote-to 8. majority of vote from 12 to 8. bub— majority of vote from 12 to 8. bub eb— majority of vote from 12 to 8. bub eb bne — majority of vote from 12 to 8. but of the remaining 14, the met-enbe— but of the remaining 14, the met-enbe be— but of the remaining 14, the majority do have gambling sponsors-their- majority do have gambling sponsors their shirts. so sponsors on their shirts. so erenb— sponsors on their shirts. so erenb-bne— sponsors on their shirts. so eight the remaining eight of the remaining 14 beweeebbe— eight of the remaining 14 newcastle _the i'm newcastle are one of the 18 i'm eeme— newcastle are one of the 18 i'm eerre eb— newcastle are one of the 18 i'm sorry, one of the— newcastle are one of the 18 i'm sorry, one of the eight clubs. bnee-we— sorry, one of the eight clubs. bneebwe bbee— sorry, one of the eight clubs. they've they will— sorry, one of the eight clubs. they've they will be confident buen— they've they will be confident ebwen-bnee-re— given that they're moving into a bbbberenb— given that they're moving into a different level— given that they're moving into a different level because of their bnweebmenb— different level because of their investment—that. investment from saudi, that bbeebre— investment from saudi, that bbeebre-bnb- they're going to find alternative - they're going to find- alternative _there. but alternative sponsor there. but bnen—b- alternative sponsor there. buti bnen—b bueee then the next question i guess is then the next question i guess be—ber— then the next question i guess be—ber be- then the next question i guess be—ber be eeu- then the next question i guess is_far do you go?l is where how far do you go? i bbere-e— is where how far do you go? i mean, there's still—

is where how far do you go? i mean, there's still budweiser is ebbbb— mean, there's still budweiser is still-official— mean, there's still budweiser is still official partner of the mean, there's still budweiser is stiiand official partner of the mean, there's still budweiser is stiiand the cial partner of the mean, there's still budweiser is stiiand the premier ner of the mean, there's still budweiser is stiiand the premier league.le mean, there's still budweiser is stiiand the premier league. and fa and the premier league. and so fa and the premier league. and ee—bnbnb— fa and the premier league. and ee—bnbnb we- so the alcohol thing was interesting— so the alcohol thing was interesting they so the alcohol thing was- interesting-they decided interesting because they decided beeb— interesting because they decided beeb bn— interesting because they decided beeb bn zeb— interesting because they decided back in 2017 that— interesting because they decided back in 2017 that it wasn't a beeb— back in 2017 that it wasn't a good beeb— back in 2017 that it wasn't a good beeb be— back in 2017 that it wasn't a good look to have alcohol ebeneere—ebl good look to have alcohol- sponsors_of shirts. sponsors on the front of shirts. bub— sponsors on the front of shirts. bub ebebn— sponsors on the front of shirts. bub againr new— sponsors on the front of shirts. but again, how far— sponsors on the front of shirts. but again, how far do you go? cerebee— but again, how far do you go? carabao sponsor— but again, how far do you go? carabao sponsor the cup carabao sponsor of the efl cup mbn— carabao sponsor of the efl cup bbeb-benben— carabao sponsor of the efl cup high _content, the - carabao sponsor of the efl cup high content, the declared high sugar content, the declared war high sugar content, the declared -ben— high sugar content, the declared -ben eeere- high sugar content, the declaredi war-ten years-they war on sugar ten years ago. they eebb— war on sugar ten years ago. they eebb-be— war on sugar ten years ago. they eebb-be mere— war on sugar ten years ago. they said is more dangerous to said sugar is more dangerous to beebbe— said sugar is more dangerous to beebbe bnen— said sugar is more dangerous to people than-other- said sugar is more dangerous to people than other thing people than fat. the other thing is people than fat. the other thing be-eeu— people than fat. the other thing be-eeu beeb— people than fat. the other thing be-eeu beeb eb— people than fat. the other thing is-you look at the- is that if you look at the ebbueb— is that if you look at the actual-actual- is that if you look at the actual actual marketing actual the actual marketing bbeb-e—bebbei actual the actual marketing- that's _ polls that that's been done, the polls that newe— that's been done, the polls that newe been— that's been done, the polls that have been conducted among fans and have been conducted among fans enb-bn— have been conducted among fans enb-bn mbnb.— have been conducted among fans and in mind, gambling, and bear in mind, the gambling, the and bear in mind, the gambling, bne—be- the gambling sponsorship is meenb— the gambling sponsorship is meenb-bne- meant to protect the impressionable eyes of younger bene— impressionable eyes of younger bene|meeb— impressionable eyes of younger fansimost-under- impressionable eyes of younger fans most under 40. so fans, most fans under 40. so unber— fans, most fans under 40. so unber es.— fans, most fans under 40. so under 35. sorry,— fans, most fans under 40. so under 35. sorry, didn't have a brebbem— under 35. sorry, didn't have a brebbem wbbb— under 35. sorry, didn't have a problem with this. the problem eeene—beebbe- problem with this. the problem seems people above seems to be from people above bbeb.— seems to be from people above that-lb— seems to be from people above that-lb bueb— seems to be from people above that..| just feel— seems to be from people above that..| just feel it's- that. so i just feel it's interesting— that. so i just feel it's interesting because , you know, interesting because, you know, the interesting because, you know, me eembbbnb— interesting because, you know, the gambling industry , sorry, the gambling industry, sorry, it's regulated,— the gambling industry, sorry, it's regulated, is— the gambling industry, sorry, it's regulated, is getting a lot of it's regulated, is getting a lot eb beb— it's regulated, is getting a lot eb beb breee— it's regulated, is getting a lot of bad press, though, isn't it ? of bad press, though, isn't it? bbere— of bad press, though, isn't it? bbere be— of bad press, though, isn't it? bbere be en— of bad press, though, isn't it? there is an assumption- of bad press, though, isn't it? there is an assumption that because there are problem gamblers and because they do exist, that they come cause harm to their own lives and their family's lives because of their addiction, that therefore we can't even see it advertise it. well, we will we will see,

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it's there are bebe— far do you go? it's there are lots-companies.- far do you go? it's there are lots companies. mean, car lots of companies. i mean, car emebnbee— lots of companies. i mean, car companies, example, companies, for example, cnewrebeb— companies, for example, chevrolet recently had chevrolet until recently had a bee— chevrolet until recently had a bee mbbben— chevrolet until recently had a £53 million deal— chevrolet until recently had a £53 million deal with manchester unbbeb—wee- £53 million deal with manchester united _was three. united over i think it was three eeere— united over i think it was three eeere-eembene— united over i think it was three years company going out of years car company going out of beebben. — years car company going out of fashion. castrol,_ years car company going out of fashion. castrol, official fashion. castrol, an official beeneer— fashion. castrol, an official sponsor premier league, sponsor of the premier league, ebbbebeb— sponsor of the premier league, official partner— sponsor of the premier league, official partner of— sponsor of the premier league, official partner of the premier beebue— official partner of the premier beebue .— official partner of the premier league . bbere— official partner of the premier league . there been since as league. there have been since as reeenbbe— league. there have been since as reeenbbelwebb— league. there have been since as recently-well, they— league. there have been since as recently well, they started recently as well, they started bne— recently as well, they started the sponsorship _ recently as well, they started the sponsorship in january 2022. so the sponsorship in january 2022. se—new— the sponsorship in january 2022. se—new be- the sponsorship in january 2022. se—new be eeu- the sponsorship in january 2022. so_how do you youi so how do you how do you you knew— so how do you how do you you knew .— so how do you how do you you knew . new— so how do you how do you you know , how does— so how do you how do you you know , how does fit? how know, how does that fit? how beee— know, how does that fit? how beee-bbb— know, how does that fit? how beee-bbb bn— know, how does that fit? how does-fit in terms- know, how does that fit? how does fit in terms who does that fit in terms of who wne-e— does that fit in terms of who who's-arbiter— does that fit in terms of who who's-arbiter of- does that fit in terms of who who's arbiter of which who's the arbiter of which eembene—eel who's the arbiter of which eembene—ee ei who's the arbiter of which- company_as a partner company is suitable as a partner for company is suitable as a partner ber—er- company is suitable as a partner ber—er nebbl for the premier league or not? wnen— for the premier league or not? wnen eure— for the premier league or not? when you're talking about bewernmenb— when you're talking about government it's when you're talking about govjustient it's when you're talking about govjust down it's when you're talking about govjust down to it's when you're talking about govjust down to the it's when you're talking about govjust down to the clubs, it's when you're talking about govjust down to the clubs, our; not just down to the clubs, our emebber— not just down to the clubs, our smaller clubs— not just down to the clubs, our smaller clubs going to feel eube— smaller clubs going to feel quite pressure— smaller clubs going to feel quite pressure because of this enb— quite pressure because of this enb bbee— quite pressure because of this enb bnee een— quite pressure because of this and they can be— quite pressure because of this and they can be quite reliant on bneee— and they can be quite reliant on bneee bnb— and they can be quite reliant on bneee bbnb eb— and they can be quite reliant on these kind of they— and they can be quite reliant on these kind of they can. i mean, if these kind of they can. i mean, bbleebenbe— these kind of they can. i mean, iflextends the— these kind of they can. i mean, iflextends the efl,- these kind of they can. i mean, if extends the efl, for if it extends the efl, for example— if it extends the efl, for example, which is the one, the bee— example, which is the one, the three divisions— example, which is the one, the three divisions below the brember— three divisions below the. premier—smaller

premier league, the smaller ebube— premier league, the smaller- ebube—beeeb clubs, the more community based ebube— clubs, the more community based ebube-bewn— clubs will luton town, interestingly- clubs will luton town,- interestingly-they interestingly decided they weubbn-b— interestingly decided they wouldn't gambling wouldn't carry any gambling ebeneerenbb— wouldn't carry any gamblingi sponsorship—their sponsorship anywhere at their ereunb—wee- ground because there was a beeebbeeb— ground because there was a localised-of- ground because there was a localised of gambling ground because there was a- localised-of gambling in localised problem of gambling in the localised problem of gambling in bne—bebb- localised problem of gambling in bne—bebb bbl the luton area and they felt it wee-nenb— the luton area and they felt it was-right thing— the luton area and they felt it was right thing to do. but was the right thing to do. but breebbe— was the right thing to do. but breebbe bbbe— was the right thing to do. but broadly it's going to cost if it comes—as well,i broadly it's going to cost if it. comes—as well, and comes into the efl as well, and bne— comes into the efl as well, and me reeubebben— comes into the efl as well, and the regulation is— comes into the efl as well, and the regulation is going that way,— the regulation is going that wee ee— the regulation is going that wee ee eeu— the regulation is going that wee ee eeu eee— the regulation is going that way, as you say, then we're bebbbnb— way, as you say, then we're bebbbnb-e— way, as you say, then we're talking-a gap- way, as you say, then we're talking-a gap of- way, as you say, then we're talking a gap of funding talking about a gap of funding gap talking about a gap of funding beb-mbbbben.— talking about a gap of funding gap million. typically we gap of £40 million. typically we a gap of £40 million. typically we e-eembene— gap of £40 million. typically we e-eembene wbbb- gap of £40 million. typically we a company will pay a gambling company will pay bwbee— a gambling company will pay bwbee-en— a gambling company will pay twice - an average - a gambling company will pay twice an average another twice what an average another eembene—enbrbl company will pay for a shirt ebeneerenbb— company will pay for a shirt sponsorship and— company will pay for a shirt sponsorship and it's not, sponsorship and also it's not, be— sponsorship and also it's not, bbbe negligible— sponsorship and also it's not, it's negligible how much it's going— it's negligible how much it's going be— it's negligible how much it's going to-society- it's negligible how much it's going to society anyway, going to affect society anyway, bb— going to affect society anyway, bb een— going to affect society anyway, even if even if— going to affect society anyway, even if even if we— going to affect society anyway, even if even if we agreed that eembbbnb— even if even if we agreed that gambling sponsorship bad gambling sponsorship is a bad bnbnb— gambling sponsorship is a bad bnbnb enb— gambling sponsorship is a bad thing and let's— gambling sponsorship is a bad thing and let's-it,- gambling sponsorship is a bad thing and let's it, most thing and let's face it, most beebbe— thing and let's face it, most people responsibly. it's people gamble responsibly. it's a people gamble responsibly. it's e rebubebeb— people gamble responsibly. it's a regulated industry . even a regulated industry. but even if a regulated industry. but even beeeeebb— a regulated industry. but even beeeeebb bbeb— a regulated industry. but even if.accept thatlwe- a regulated industry. but even if accept that we do think if we accept that if we do think it's if we accept that if we do think bbbe-webb— if we accept that if we do think it's-well, they'll- it's bad, well, they'll just ebenb— it's bad, well, they'll just spend-budget- it's bad, well, they'll just spend budget elsewhere. spend their budget elsewhere. bmbbe—bebnb- spend their budget elsewhere. bmbbe—bebnb be- spend their budget elsewhere. . emily—going to spend emily they're not going to spend it emily they're not going to spend bb-beebbebb— emily they're not going to spend it-football clubs- emily they're not going to spend it football clubs will it on. so football clubs will mee— it on. so football clubs willi miss—bastions it on. so football clubs will. miss—bastions of miss out important bastions of bbeb—bbeeb- miss out important bastions of their—they'll just. their community. they'll just ebenb— their community. they'll just erenb-en— their community. they'll just spend an industry spend it on. in an industry wnere— spend it on. in an industryi wbere—beee where the regulation is less brenb.— where the regulation is less tight-wonder- where the regulation is lessi tight. _wonder which tight. also, i wonder which pubuc tight. also, i wonder which public groups can work public health groups can work out us. one advertise. you out for us. one advertise. you know , one advert. okay. does know, one advert. okay. does that equal one problem gambler extra? well, look, i mean, there

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are they gambling with people's lives at this point.7 and would you sign up to woke alerts .7 it's you sign up to woke alerts? it's a new system is being launched where people can sign up to be notified when corporations notified when big corporations support a woke agenda. we'll have more details on that. but first, let's get the news with arron armstrong erg . hi there it arron armstrong erg. hi there it is. 233. i'm arron— '”r:::r '3 ?ci hi there it is. 233. i'm arron armstrong '”::tr“ '3 3c hi there it is. 233. i'm arron armstrong in re— is. 233. i'm arron armstrong in re ee— is. 233. i'm arron armstrong in re ee newe— is. 233. i'm arron armstrong in the gb news room. the royal correee— the gb news room. the royal correge er— the gb news room. the royal college of nursing has criticised— college of nursing has criticised the- college of nursing has criticised the government for refusing— criticised the government for refusing re — criticised the government for refusing to budge on its pay erer. — refusing to budge on its pay erer. rhe— refusing to budge on its pay offer. the health secretary sent a reeer— offer. the health secretary sent a rerrer re— offer. the health secretary sent a letter to the— offer. the health secretary sent a letter to the unions leader rere— a letter to the unions leader rere morning— a letter to the unions leader this morning suggesting nurses ereure— this morning suggesting nurses ereure eeeepr— this morning suggesting nurses should accept what he claims is a should accept what he claims is e reeeerebre— should accept what he claims is a reasonable and— should accept what he claims is a reasonable and fair deal on reeer,— a reasonable and fair deal on friday, members— a reasonable and fair deal on friday, members rejected a 5% pay— friday, members rejected a 5% pay ree— friday, members rejected a 5% pay ere— friday, members rejected a 5% pay are e— friday, members rejected a 5% pay rise and a one— friday, members rejected a 5% pay rise and a one off lump sum payment— pay rise and a one off lump sum permerr ere— pay rise and a one off lump sum payment and announced a 48 hour werreur— payment and announced a 48 hour werreur reer— payment and announced a 48 hour walkout that will— payment and announced a 48 hour walkout that will start on the sore — walkout that will start on the sore er— walkout that will start on the sore er aprrr. — walkout that will start on the 30th of april. the ch's general eeerererrt— 30th of april. the ch's general secretaryr rer— 30th of april. the ch's general secretary, pat cullen, says with a secretary, pat cullen, says with e depreree— secretary, pat cullen, says with a depleted workforce, morale has been— a depleted workforce, morale has been incredibly— a depleted workforce, morale has been incredibly low for years are— been incredibly low for years and see— been incredibly low for years and steve has— been incredibly low for years

and steve has offered does not go far— and steve has offered does not go far enough— and steve has offered does not go far enough .— and steve has offered does not go far enough . plans to build go far enough. plans to build emer— go far enough. plans to build new smart motorways are being eereerree— new smart motorways are being cancelled because— new smart motorways are being cancelled because of concerns eeree— cancelled because of concerns eererr ,— cancelled because of concerns over safety , cost— cancelled because of concerns over safety , cost and low public over safety, cost and low public confidence— over safety, cost and low public confidence .— over safety, cost and low public confidence . it— over safety, cost and low public confidence . it will— over safety, cost and low public confidence . it will save the confidence. it will save the eeurrry— confidence. it will save the eeurrry up— confidence. it will save the eeurrry up re— confidence. it will save the country up to £1- confidence. it will save the country up to £1 billion. the gererrmerr— country up to £1 billion. the government has— country up to £1 billion. the government has confirmed 14 premed— government has confirmed 14 planned projects— government has confirmed 14 planned projects have been scrapped— planned projects have been scrapped ere— planned projects have been scrapped and existing stretches wru— scrapped and existing stretches wru be— scrapped and existing stretches wru be made— scrapped and existing stretches will be made safer. campaigners are will be made safer. campaigners demanding— will be made safer. campaigners are demanding the return of hard ereureere— are demanding the return of hard ereureere re— are demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart motorways— shoulders to existing smart mererwere .— shoulders to existing smart motorways . animal rights motorways. animal rights eerrrrere— motorways. animal rights activists are _ motorways. animal rights activists are calling forjump activists are calling for jump racing— activists are calling for jump reerrg re— activists are calling for jump reerrg re re— activists are calling for jump racing to be banned after three rereee— racing to be banned after three rereee eree— racing to be banned after three horses died at— racing to be banned after three horses died at the— racing to be banned after three horses died at the grand nerrerer— horses died at the grand national festival. 118 people were arrested _ national festival. 118 people were arrested for disrupting the ever— were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday _ were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday ,_ were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday , say slightly event yesterday, say slightly delaying— event yesterday, say slightly delaying rhe— event yesterday, say slightly delaying the start of the race. he — delaying the start of the race. he errrrer — delaying the start of the race. the british horseracing aurrerrrr— the british horseracing authority has said this in a statement— authority has said this in a ereremerr .— authority has said this in a statement . they have robustly statement. they have robustly condemned— statement. they have robustly condemned the _ statement. they have robustly condemned the action and are rereerrgerrrg— condemned the action and are investigating what caused the rererrrree— investigating what caused the fatalities and— investigating what caused the fatalities and thousands of armed— fatalities and thousands of armed forces,— fatalities and thousands of armed forces, veterans and nhs worerer— armed forces, veterans and nhs workers wru— armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get— armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get to _ armed forces, veterans and nhs workers will get to watch the oorononon — workers will get to watch the coronation on _ workers will get to watch the coronation on a— workers will get to watch the coronation on a special viewing nkonorn— coronation on a special viewing pronorn nn— coronation on a special viewing platform in front— coronation on a special viewing platform in front of buckingham rokoee. — platform in front of buckingham rokoee. so— platform in front of buckingham palace. so they'll— platform in front of buckingham palace. so they'll have a close up wew— palace. so they'll have a close up on— palace. so they'll have a close up of ne— palace. so they'll have a close up view of the key—

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break welcome back. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, carver your with me, emily carver on your tv, online digital radio. tv, online and digital radio. you been getting in touch you have been getting in touch on today's topics. thank you very much for in touch very much for getting in touch on whether it was brexit or strikes that causing strikes that were causing economic stagnation. has economic stagnation. thomas has to the problem isn't strikes to say the problem isn't strikes or brexit. the problem is that

successive governments have been squandering billions upon billions of pounds of taxpayers money on white elephant projects like trident, hs2 and smart motorways . yes, i'd like to see motorways. yes, i'd like to see a government that spent our money a little bit more carefully. one can dream. caroline says. i cannot see how anyone can blame the government for the public service strikes. it was very clear last year that the public sector groups decided to the bandwagon to jump on the bandwagon of striking increased striking using increased inflation as an excuse to ask for ridiculous pay rises. we're going to be debating that very shortly indeed , catherine says. shortly indeed, catherine says. if ask me , everyone's if you ask me, everyone's striking has been lied to by leftie union workers who want nothing more than a change in government . yes, i do think many government. yes, i do think many people who belong to the bma at least, and other unions would very much like to see a socialist government . but there socialist government. but there you go. keep your views coming in. subscribe to our youtube channel while you're at it at gb news. we're going to go to news. but we're going to go to our last debate of the hour. the deputy chair of the bma doctors

union is calling for coordinated strikes with other sectors as part of a long term strategy to cause maximum disruption comes after revelations that excess deaths nearly tripled in the uk after junior doctor walk earlier this year. industrial action in march led to more than 175,000 appointments and operations being cancelled. so is it fair to say that striking doctors are now gambling with people's lives? joining me is trade unionist and broadcaster paul embery and gb news presenter patrick christys. thank you very much for joining patrick christys. thank you very much forjoining me this much for joining me this afternoon. so paul , our doctor afternoon. so paul, our doctor would you agree that something has changed and that the rhetoric has changed, that the unions are being more vicious in a way, calling for coordinated strike action that could do serious damage not only to our nhs, but the economy and people's lives ? no i wouldn't people's lives? no i wouldn't class it. emily, as viciousness. i class it. emily, as viciousness. r worko— class it. emily, as viciousness. r wowkn cross— class it. emily, as viciousness. i would class it— class it. emily, as viciousness. i would class it as— class it. emily, as viciousness. i would class it as a- f c emily, as viciousness. i would class it as a reflection

of ne— i would class it as a reflection on rne engen— i would class it as a reflection of the anger that— i would class it as a reflection of the anger that is felt by nnnons— of the anger that is felt by millions of— of the anger that is felt by millions of workers across the sownrrw— millions of workers across the sownrrw or— millions of workers across the eonnrrw or me— millions of workers across the country at the moment at what is a country at the moment at what is owerw— country at the moment at what is a very unbalanced— country at the moment at what is a very unbalanced economy and an eonow— a very unbalanced economy and an eonow rnor— a very unbalanced economy and an economy that works— a very unbalanced economy and an economy that works for a few oeooke— economy that works for a few people or— economy that works for a few people or kne— economy that works for a few people at the top— economy that works for a few people at the top but actually rsn-r— people at the top but actually rsn-r working— people at the top but actually isn't working for— people at the top but actually isn't working for the broad mass of isn't working for the broad mass or oeonke. — isn't working for the broad mass or people- kno— isn't working for the broad mass of people. and you— isn't working for the broad mass of people. and you have to remember that— of people. and you have to remember that actually when it ro— remember that actually when it ro peopke— remember that actually when it comes to people like doctors and one— comes to people like doctors and one oeonke— comes to people like doctors and other people who— comes to people like doctors and other people who work in the public— other people who work in the public sector,— other people who work in the public sector, these are often peooke— public sector, these are often people wno— public sector, these are often people who have— public sector, these are often people who have never been on srnke— people who have never been on strike before,— people who have never been on strike before, would never have eonrenokore— strike before, would never have contemplate going on strike before,— contemplate going on strike before, one— contemplate going on strike before, and i— contemplate going on strike before, and i think the idea rnor— before, and i think the idea not knew-re— before, and i think the idea that they're only doing it now because— that they're only doing it now because they've— that they're only doing it now because they've suddenly become werw— because they've suddenly become werw greedy—new- very greedy or because they sunnenkw— very greedy or because they suddenly want— very greedy or because they suddenly want to bring down a row— suddenly want to bring down a tory government,— suddenly want to bring down a tory government, is completely eonorn.— tory government, is completely fanciful. _they're - fanciful. the reason they're nong— fanciful. the reason they're eono-rs— fanciful. the reason they're doing is because of the doing it now is because of the economic landscape, because of the economic landscape, because of rne snwonont— economic landscape, because of the situation, they're finding rnensekwes— the situation, they're finding themselves in— the situation, they're finding themselves in with something nke— themselves in with something nke rs— themselves in with something nke rs wears— themselves in with something like 15 years of— themselves in with something like 15 years of falling real ges— like 15 years of falling real wages, crashing living standards,— wages, crashing living standards, people struggling to make— standards, people struggling to make ends— standards, people struggling to make ends meet. _ standards, people struggling to make ends meet. and if you've got make ends meet. and if you've gor o— make ends meet. and if you've got a government— make ends meet. and if you've got a government that isn't to prepared— got a government that isn't to prepared intervene to make sure they— prepared intervene to make sure rnew ger— prepared intervene to make sure rnew ger o— prepared intervene to make sure rnew ger o nonr— prepared intervene to make sure they get a fair settlement, then worersk— they get a fair settlement, then workers-perry— they get a fair settlement, then workers pretty forced workers are pretty much forced to workers are pretty much forced ro rake— workers are pretty much forced ro take one— workers are pretty much forced to take other forms of action. kno— to take other forms of action. ann rnor-s—

to take other forms of action. and that's-these- to take other forms of action. and that's these people and that's what these people nowe — and that's what these people nowe none.— and that's what these people have done. patrick junior have done. patrick if junior noerors— have done. patrick if junior donors-ro— have done. patrick if junior doctors to coordinate their doctors were to coordinate their srnke — doctors were to coordinate their srnke _wnn— doctors were to coordinate their strike _with nurses, - doctors were to coordinate their strike with nurses, so we strike action with nurses, so we non— strike action with nurses, so we non nwge— strike action with nurses, so we had huge numbers of doctors and our on— had huge numbers of doctors and nurses out of the— had huge numbers of doctors and nurses out of the nhs at the wne— nurses out of the nhs at the nne ,— nurses out of the nhs at the same time , is— nurses out of the nhs at the same time , is it— nurses out of the nhs at the same time , is it fair to say same time, is it fair to say rnor— same time, is it fair to say not nor— same time, is it fair to say that that is— same time, is it fair to say that that is gambling with peogke-s— that that is gambling with people's lives? “its c people's lives? yes, it absolutely is. and when you really break it down, there is absolutely no mandate whatsoever for either strike. nurses in terms of the royal college of nursing , 54% terms of the royal college of nursing, 54% of just a 61% turnout voted in favour of the strike action. unison just 26% of their ballot voted in favour of their ballot voted in favour of strike action. so the idea that there is some kind of nationwide poverty crisis amongst lower level nhs staff is absolute, complete and utter rubbish . junior doctors do have rubbish. junior doctors do have more of a mandate because 98% of them voted to strike, but they have no moral mandate . their have no moral mandate. their campaign is based around two lies. firstly that they are paid £14 an hour. lie by only 11% of junior doctors are paid that

they can have pension payments of up to around 20. they can be earning upwards of 60 grand after four years. and also they have job security for life. and as well, once they stop doing the day to day stuff, they can earn an absolute mint working as a secondly that a locum. secondly they say that they're leave britain they're going to leave britain and work elsewhere for more money because they've had real money because they've had a real terms pay cut of 26% since 2008. well, loads of people have had a real terms pay cut since 2008. and this problem could be solved if they stop saying the nhs is a sacred cow and whingeing about changing and allowed us to changing it and allowed us to adopt australian style system adopt an australian style system that doctors more , gives that pays doctors more, gives patients better care costs, the taxpayer less, they're happy to work in that system, but they're not happy for us to have it. and when show the excess death when you show the excess death figures at the last figures tripled at the last junior, doctors strike, you have the reality of this situation, which is that junior doctors just want more money and they're willing to let people die in order to get it. paul our nhs worersk— order to get it. paul our nhs workers exaggerating- : 9th c paul our nhs workers exaggerating the dire

swans— workers exaggerating the dire straits they're _ workers exaggerating the dire straits they're in— workers exaggerating the dire straits they're in simply for pay-— straits they're in simply for more pay. they're willing to see patients— more pay. they're willing to see gonenrs nwes— more pay. they're willing to see patients lives put— more pay. they're willing to see patients lives put at risk . patients lives put at risk. roernokkw— patients lives put at risk. factually, that- patients lives put at risk. factually, that is correct . in factually, that is correct. in order— factually, that is correct. in order ro— factually, that is correct. in order to achieve— factually, that is correct. in order to achieve more pay , well, order to achieve more pay, well, junior— order to achieve more pay, well, junior noerors— order to achieve more pay, well, junior noerors ,— order to achieve more pay, well, junior doctors , i— order to achieve more pay, well, junior doctors , i believe, start junior doctors, i believe, start on around £29,000 a year now. sonne— on around £29,000 a year now. some years— on around £29,000 a year now. some years ago— on around £29,000 a year now. some years ago that— on around £29,000 a year now. some years ago that would - on around £29,000 a year now. some years ago that would have been fairly decent salary. nowadays actually, it's a struggle for people. if you are somebody with a partner, a wife, a husband, a family, if you're living in one of the major cities, for example, where the cost of property is astronomical, it's extremely difficult to get by on that sort of salary. the fact that they are junior doctors and are professional people well, doesn't mean that the bills come in any less and doesn't mean that the prices are any cheaper when they go into the shops. but you know what? i would like to see actually is some people concentrating on the unfairnesses within the economy, which are persuading people like junior doctors to take strike action. why don't we have a

focus on people at the other end of the scale? why don't we look at fact that city bonuses at the fact that city bonuses are surging at the moment? why don't fact that don't we look at the fact that executive pay in a cost of living crisis going up living crisis is going up handsomely? don't we look handsomely? why don't we look at the some our the fact that some of our corporate are corporate actions are registering profits, that registering record profits, that our banks are recording record profits a result of rise profits as a result of the rise in interest why don't we in interest rates? why don't we actually concentrate on those people? the few at the people? the few people at the top? do we always pick on top? why do we always pick on people at the lower end of the scale? that seems to me to be inherently unfair. nana patrick tax inherently unfair. nana patrick row kne— inherently unfair. nana patrick row rne-now— inherently unfair. nana patrick row rne-oow kne— inherently unfair. nana patrick tax the-pay the doctors. tax the rich pay the doctors .wnor— tax the rich pay the doctors more. what absolute tosh more. look what absolute tosh the more. look what absolute tosh. rne—nerng the bma junior doctors are being let the bma junior doctors are being rer our— the bma junior doctors are being rer our on— the bma junior doctors are being rer our on o— the bma junior doctors are being let out on a strike— the bma junior doctors are being let out on a strike by a lad who went— let out on a strike by a lad who wenr on— let out on a strike by a lad who went on holiday,— let out on a strike by a lad who went on holiday, attended a reetooo— went on holiday, attended a moose o— went on holiday, attended a £46,000 a year— went on holiday, attended a £46,000 a year private school. according— £46,000 a year private school. according to— £46,000 a year private school. according to reports,— £46,000 a year private school. according to reports, and- £46,000 a year private school. according to reports, and whose dad again reportedly is a multi—millionaire. idea multi—millionaire. so the idea that we're tackling the lower end here coming end of society here by coming out these is out against these strikes is complete rubbish. and complete and utter rubbish. and as talk about the as well, let's talk about the societal changes. okay and societal changes. okay and societal unfairness. the fact is that the nhs at the moment, right at the moment does need radical reform. but they have to

accept they have to accept that if they want their pay rises, that it goes with the caveat that it goes with the caveat that we can change the system. but also this we have to get on board with the fact that we currently let in a city half the size of birmingham into this country every single year. and if we were willing to cut junior doctors thought that's not the junior doctors fault. but paul junior junior doctors fault. but paul rwnorlnong— junior doctors fault. but paul juniorihang-me- junior doctors fault. but paul juniorihang-me let. junior doctors fault. but paul. juniorihang-me let me junior. hang on. let me let me let junior. hang on. let me let me rer ne— junior. hang on. let me let me rer ne sonne— junior. hang on. let me let me let me come in— junior. hang on. let me let me let me come in here. t“ let me come in here. come in nere— let me come in here. come in here. run.— let me come in here. come in here. pull, pull. why aren't the junior doctors and the nhs staff and union pushing the and the union pushing the government reform ? if so government for reform? if so many are going off to australia to because it's a better to a better system to work in, why don't push for change don't they push for change here? why always the nhs is the why is it always the nhs is the best thing since sliced bread and only reason it's not and the only reason it's not perfect is because evil perfect is because the evil tories aren't putting enough of our gdp there . you know, why our gdp in there. you know, why aren't they promoting constructive well constructive change? well i think, first of all, employers and the government where the government has got a role as the employer have got a duty to make pay

employer have got a duty to make pay rises, that, first of all, reflects the cost of living crisis, reflect the fact that inflation is at 10% now. it's right and proper inflation is at10% now. it's right and proper that- right and proper that workers nowe— right and proper that workers nowe on— right and proper that workers have an increase— right and proper that workers have an increase in order to be ewre— have an increase in order to be one ro— have an increase in order to be able to maintain— have an increase in order to be able to maintain their living standards.— able to maintain their living standards. that— able to maintain their living standards. that seems to me to be standards. that seems to me to we peneerkw— standards. that seems to me to be perfectly reasonable. if at gonn— be perfectly reasonable. if at some point government and some point the government and the some point the government and rne—onwl the nhs, for example, or any one— the nhs, for example, or any other employer— the nhs, for example, or any other employer wants to get into the other employer wants to get into rne business— other employer wants to get into the business discussing the business of discussing additional— the business of discussing additional that the business of discussing. additional-that are additional increases that are krnken— additional increases that are nnken ro— additional increases that are linked to changes to modernisation, to productivity increases, then _ modernisation, to productivity increases, then okay, you know, r-n — increases, then okay, you know, r-n sure— increases, then okay, you know, i'm sure unions would have that nenore— i'm sure unions would have that nenore nn— i'm sure unions would have that nenore rn mw— i'm sure unions would have that debate in my own— i'm sure unions would have that debate in my own union. we've non— debate in my own union. we've non rnor— debate in my own union. we've had that debate— debate in my own union. we've had that debate with our enokowers— had that debate with our employers. but i think the point rnor— employers. but i think the point nor-seems— employers. but i think the point that-seems to- employers. but i think the point that seems to miss, you that patrick seems to miss, you know,— that patrick seems to miss, you know-reee— that patrick seems to miss, you know,-idea that— that patrick seems to miss, you know,-idea that all- that patrick seems to miss, you know, idea that all of these know, the idea that all of these rnowsonns— know, the idea that all of these thousands and— know, the idea that all of these thousands and thousands of worersk— thousands and thousands of workers-rue- thousands and thousands of workers just overnight workers have just overnight neernoe— workers have just overnight become,-mad. workers have just overnighti become,-mad sort workers have just overnight- become,-mad sort of become, you know, mad sort of nrknonrs— become, you know, mad sort of militants and— become, you know, mad sort of militants and that— become, you know, mad sort of militants and that what they're nong— militants and that what they're going rs— militants and that what they're going is nor— militants and that what they're norng rs nor rs— militants and that what they're doing is not is not linked to kne— doing is not is not linked to the economic— doing is not is not linked to the economic climate in which in wnen— the economic climate in which in which-themselves- the economic climate in which in which-themselves .- the economic climate in which in which themselves . we which they find themselves. we are which they find themselves. we or— which they find themselves. we or rne — which they find themselves. we are at the moment, we are at the moment— are at the moment, we are at the nonenrlo— are at the moment, we are at the nonenrlo gow— are at the moment, we are at the moment a pay squeeze on moment in a pay squeeze on worersk— moment in a pay squeeze on workers-country- moment in a pay squeeze on workers country that is workers in this country that is worse-anything- workers in this country that is worse anything since worse than anything since woookeonk— worse than anything since napoleonic times. are seeing napoleonic times. we are seeing nwrng— napoleonic times. we are seeing living standards— napoleonic times. we are seeing living standards crashing as a resurr— living standards crashing as a resort on— living standards crashing as a result of the— living standards crashing as a result of the cost— living standards crashing as a result of the cost of living ks— result of the cost of living crisis. as we _ result of the cost of living crisis. as we are- result of the cost of living crisis. as we are seeing

property— crisis. as we are seeing property prices, people being geogke— property prices, people being people nerng— property prices, people being people being priced out of the property— people being priced out of the progeny magg— people being priced out of the property market, people struggling— property market, people struggling to_ property market, people struggling to make to pay their . i struggling to make to pay their . r ger— struggling to make to pay their . r ger wner— struggling to make to pay their . i get what you're saying right 7 . i get what you're saying right ? i . i get what you're saying right e r ger— . i get what you're saying right e r ger wnor— . i get what you're saying right ? i get what you're saying. i get— ? i get what you're saying. i ger wner— ? i get what you're saying. i get what you're _ ? i get what you're saying. i get what you're saying. ' “r: get what you're saying. and i'm not rrwrng— get what you're saying. and i'm not rrwrng to— get what you're saying. and i'm not trying to make hang on, patrick. patrick, go ahead. all right, look, paul, i get what you're saying. i'm not trying to say that overnight every single person has, you know, become infected with radical marxism. that's but that's not what i'm saying. but what saying is, if there what i am saying is, if there are changes are are obvious changes that are staring the face, such staring us in the face, such as can we actually serious, can we actually make serious, significant changes to our system and adopt the very system that seem that so many of them seem perfectly comfortable now perfectly comfortable to now want to go and want to leave ours to go and work we're being blocked work in. and we're being blocked to because of some to do that because of some ridiculous moral argument that the sacred cow, we the nhs is a sacred cow, then we should to adopt it. should be willing to adopt it. but i've got to honest with but i've got to be honest with you, got to be honest you, paul, i've got to be honest with you, especially when it comes junior doctors. comes to junior doctors. okay? i do believe that are do really believe that we are now looking a group of people now looking at a group of people who thought that they were going to career, their to go into a career, that their parents would have really liked them to go and they

them to go into and that they would massively would have been massively respected community and respected by the community and that been up that they would have been way up the scale to do. and they've the pay scale to do. and they've got into after six years of got into it. after six years of medical and realised medical school and realised that's really the case and that's not really the case and they've got mates because they're highly intelligent they're all highly intelligent people, these people, they've got gone and got mates who have gone and worked city chosen worked in the city or chosen a different career, who are taking home half a bar a year and they are very about that. are very, very angry about that. and think we are and i really do think we are looking at of people, looking at a lot of people, a lot of them, who fundamentally regret their career choice and want taxpayer to pay in want the taxpayer to pay in order make lives order to make their lives better. and sorry we all better. and i'm sorry we all make mistakes. last word, paul. well, i mean, patrick seems to have uncanny make have an uncanny ability to make a into the souls of all a window into the souls of all of thousands junior of these thousands of junior doctors know what their doctors to and know what their motivations i know motivations are. i mean, i know some these people no one has some of these people no one has ever said to they made a ever said to me they made a mistake. they're absolutely committed service. committed to their service. they see that. i've see it as i've heard that. i've heard junior doctors- see it as i've heard that. i've heard junior doctors say- c : i've heard junior doctors say they none— heard junior doctors say they made o— heard junior doctors say they made a mistake— heard junior doctors say they made a mistake and they're proud of made a mistake and they're proud on-roke— made a mistake and they're proud on-roke rnor— made a mistake and they're proud of-role that we— made a mistake and they're proud of-role that we carry- made a mistake and they're proud of role that we carry out. of the role that we carry out. and— of the role that we carry out. and for— of the role that we carry out. and for as— of the role that we carry out. and for as long— of the role that we carry out. and for as long as— of the role that we carry out. and for as long as we- of the role that we carry out. and for as long as we continue in this country to ignore the vast disparities vast disparate disparities in income between rich income and wealth between rich

and poor, focus on the, and poor, and we focus on the, you not people at the you know, not the people at the top of the scale and top end of the scale and everybody else. we're not everybody else. then we're not going a fairer economy going to create a fairer economy and sort of industrial and this sort of industrial strife continue occur. strife will continue to occur. thank very much. trade thank you very much. trade unions— thank you very much. trade unionist-paul- thank you very much. trade- unionist-paul mbappe unionist broadcast paul mbappe and patrick christys. there gb news— and patrick christys. there gb news-wren,- and patrick christys. there gbi news-well,.was news presenter well, that was a non— news presenter well, that was a nor-o— news presenter well, that was a that-a brilliant— news presenter well, that was a that a brilliant debate that was a brilliant debate oerwokrw— that was a brilliant debate actuallyiyou_ that was a brilliant debate actually you know what? i think actually. you know what? i think rnor— actually. you know what? i think not noerors— actually. you know what? i think that doctors probably do deserve none—nkel more pay, but i would just like to more pay, but i would just like ro sow— more pay, but i would just like ro sow-nost— more pay, but i would just like to say most people in their to say that most people in their nrsr— to say that most people in their first weer— to say that most people in their first year-aren't- first year of work aren't eornng— first year of work aren't earning £29,000 and most people are earning £29,000 and most people ore—nor— earning £29,000 and most people ore—rnor nor— earning £29,000 and most people are _that forlfew- are not earning that for a few wears— are not earning that for a few years os— are not earning that for a few years as wekk. — are not earning that for a few years as well. coming out of wnrwersrrw— years as well. coming out of wnrwersrrw .— years as well. coming out of university . so— years as well. coming out of university . so just to say that university. so just to say that rnew-re— university. so just to say that rnew-re nor— university. so just to say that rnew-re nor os— university. so just to say that they're not as hard done by pernogs— they're not as hard done by gernogs os— they're not as hard done by perhaps as others might think, so perhaps as others might think, so worko— perhaps as others might think, so wowkn won— perhaps as others might think, so would you sign up? this is nowrng— so would you sign up? this is nowrng — so would you sign up? this is moving on. would sign up for moving on. would you sign up for woke— moving on. would you sign up for woke orens— moving on. would you sign up for woke alerts that— moving on. would you sign up for woke alerts that warn you when a company— woke alerts that warn you when a eongonw rs— woke alerts that warn you when a company rs sowrng— woke alerts that warn you when a company is caving into woke rneokogwe— company is caving into woke rneokogwe-o- company is caving into woke ideology? a conservative ideology? that's a conservative group— ideology? that's a conservative consumer group has done they've kownenen— consumer group has done they've launched-system- consumer group has done they've launched system that's launched a new system that's gone— launched a new system that's none-knot— launched a new system that's none-rnor .— launched a new system that's done-that . the- launched a new system that's done that . the warnings done just that. the warnings wru— done just that. the warnings wrkklsenr— done just that. the warnings will-sent out— done just that. the warnings will-sent out via- done just that. the warnings will sent out via text and will be sent out via text and ne— will be sent out via text and the washington,— will be sent out via text and the washington, dc based group consumers research states that the notifications— consumers research states that the notifications are designed to the notifications are designed ro opene— the notifications are designed to update users— the notifications are designed to update users on companies not— to update users on companies not ore— to update users on companies that are putting— to update users on companies that are putting progressive rneos— that are putting progressive ideas customers . that are putting progressive- ideas-customers . this ideas ahead of customers. this

comes, of course,— ideas ahead of customers. this comes, of course, after bud rrgnr— comes, of course, after bud rrgnr nos— comes, of course, after bud light has faced— comes, of course, after bud light has faced a huge backlash for working— light has faced a huge backlash for working with— light has faced a huge backlash for working with transgender influencer— for working with transgender influencer dylan mulvaney. so joining— influencer dylan mulvaney. so joining ne— influencer dylan mulvaney. so joining me no— influencer dylan mulvaney. so joining me now is general seererorw— joining me now is general secretary on— joining me now is general secretary of the free speech unon— secretary of the free speech unon rook— secretary of the free speech union, toby young. toby thank you— union, toby young. toby thank won werw— union, toby young. toby thank won werw noon— union, toby young. toby thank you very much for— union, toby young. toby thank you very much for joining me. union, toby young. toby thank you very much forjoining me. so wner— you very much forjoining me. so wnor orn— you very much forjoining me. so wnor no wow— you very much forjoining me. so what did you think— you very much forjoining me. so what did you think when you saw this what did you think when you saw rnrs srorw— what did you think when you saw this story then?— what did you think when you saw this story then? well, i thought it this story then? well, i thought in ws— this story then? well, i thought n o— this story then? well, i thought in o greor— this story then? well, i thought it was a great idea. car it was a great idea. emily, the refr— it was a great idea. emily, the er a— it was a great idea. emily, the left a very good at organising thing and persuading consumers to boycott products that they disapprove of campaign signs like stop funding hate in the us , stop funding digital hate, which has been responsible for taking away quite a lot of the advertising on twitter since elon musk bought it. they're very effective. so this, i think, is a much belated example of the right fighting back and trying to organise consumers to push back against products that whose values they disapprove of. so yeah, i'm for all it. i'm going to sign up for a fight back in a way. do you think uk

consumers would— back in a way. do you think uk consumers would be— back in a way. do you think uk consumers would be in- f t“ do you think uk consumers would be in support of this consumers would be in support of we nesowse— consumers would be in support of this because you— consumers would be in support of this because you you most sort of this because you you most sort or snork— this because you you most sort or snokk s— this because you you most sort of small c conservative is just son— of small c conservative is just son on— of small c conservative is just son on our— of small c conservative is just son or our no— of small c conservative is just sort of put up with woke norkenng— sort of put up with woke marketing and they don't osswokrw— marketing and they don't actually end— marketing and they don't actually end up boycotting wrongs— actually end up boycotting brands like— actually end up boycotting brands like ben and jerry's, wnrsn— brands like ben and jerry's, which pontificate on immigration and nregok— which pontificate on immigration and illegal immigration and wnornor.— and illegal immigration and whatnot. but— and illegal immigration and whatnot. but is— and illegal immigration and whatnot. but is this the start of whatnot. but is this the start on sonernrngt— whatnot. but is this the start of something, perhaps as well? i of something, perhaps as well? r rnrnk— of something, perhaps as well? r rnrnk n— of something, perhaps as well? i think it might— of something, perhaps as well? i think it might be.— of something, perhaps as well? ithink it might be. i— of something, perhaps as well? i think it might be. i mean,- i think it might be. i mean, given how successful the other side have been, there's no reason to think that the conservative side won't be equally successful. and i think one reason for suspecting it may be effective, emily, is that more and more companies are becoming more and more woke. you know, they're not just embracing common or garden esg and csr policies. they're embracing them in quite an extreme way. i mean, the obvious example is the one you mentioned in your introduction, which is bud light using dylan mulvaney to promote its beer, nike doing the same . i its beer, nike doing the same. i mean, that that is quite

extreme. i think that does risk antagonising quite a few people. and we've seen that an hauser bush, the parent company of bud light, has lost 5 billion in in its in its net worth since since its in its net worth since since it embarked on this campaign. so yeah it it's been effective in america and i can see it being effective here too. it is quite interesting that they've actually lost money because a lot of the time just pr is good for a brand , even if people for a brand, even if people aren't happy with it in terms of, you know, if anti—woke people don't like it or small c conservatives don't like it, it doesn't seem to always affect their line. but this one their bottom line. but this one is ewn— their bottom line. but this one is one rrgnr— their bottom line. but this one is bud light went— their bottom line. but this one is bud light went too- ” c but this one is bud light went too far. neon.— is bud light went too far. wean. nun— is bud light went too far. yeah, bud light— is bud light went too far. yeah, bud light did- is bud light went too far. yeah, bud light did go- is bud light went too far. yeah, bud light did go too far. i think nike went too far as well. i mean, using a trans woman to promote a nike women's wear was a bizarre decision. it's almost as if companies like bud light and nike are doing things that they know are going to hurt their bottom line because that's the way they can

prove their bona fides. look, i'm so committed to the cause. they're saying i'm prepared to damage my brand to promote this particular cause. and if that is their ultimate motivation, you know, to show just how to demonstrate their fealty, you know , at the altars of the woke know, at the altars of the woke church , then this service could church, then this service could be quite helpful because it will help them damage their brands. and that well be what and that may well be what they're do. well, they're intending to do. well, we'll see. we'll see if- “cr::;“r: “g r:r::tr well, we'll see. we'll see if there wir— we'll see. we'll see if there wrkk ne— we'll see. we'll see if there wrkk be e— we'll see. we'll see if there will be a woke— we'll see. we'll see if there will be a woke alert uk coming to will be a woke alert uk coming o o— will be a woke alert uk coming o o sown— will be a woke alert uk coming to a town near— will be a woke alert uk coming to a town near you.— will be a woke alert uk coming to a town near you. we'll see. rnonk— to a town near you. we'll see. rnonk won— to a town near you. we'll see. rnonk won werw— to a town near you. we'll see. thank you very much indeed. toby young,— thank you very much indeed. toby young-on— thank you very much indeed. toby wonngt-on-rree— thank you very much indeed. toby young, of free speech young, head of the free speech unon. — young, head of the free speech unon. _ere - young, head of the free speech unonore- on- young, head of the free speech union. are. of course, union. there you are. of course, you— union. there you are. of course, wow—worsnrng- you have been watching and nsrenng— you have been watching andi listening—sunday you have been watching and- listening_sunday with listening to gb news sunday with me, listening to gb news sunday with net-sewer.— listening to gb news sunday with me,-carver. thank- listening to gb news sunday with me, carver. thank very me, emily carver. thank you very nwsn—wowr- much indeed for all your snowgnrs— much indeed for all your thoughts and— much indeed for all your thoughts and messages coming rnrowgn. —nekr- thoughts and messages coming through. next week, through. i'll be back next week, but through. i'll be back next week, nor-wens— through. i'll be back next week, nus-wens rs— through. i'll be back next week, but-nana is here- through. i'll be back next week, but nana is here up next. but first, nana is here up next. nur— but first, nana is here up next. nus rer-s— but first, nana is here up next. nus rer-s rake— but first, nana is here up next. but let's take a— but first, nana is here up next. but let's take a look at the weorner. — but let's take a look at the weather. hello— but let's take a look at the weather. hello there. g weather. hello there. i'm craig snor— weather. hello there. i'm craig sneu-rs— weather. hello there. i'm craig snell. is your latest snell. here is your latest forecast from met office. forecast from the met office. well, go through the week well, as we go through the week ahead, us, it should ahead, for most of us, it should be largely dry and settled. always the the always the best of the temperatures, however, in the west. the situation at west. so here's the situation at the we've got

the moment. we've got high pressure in pressure beginning to build in across country. these two across the country. these two weather however, weather fronts, however, will still a focus some cloud still be a focus of some cloud and outbreaks of rain as we and some outbreaks of rain as we go into monday. looking back go into monday. but looking back to rest of sunday, you can to the rest of sunday, you can see still a lot of see actually still a lot of cloud best late cloud around. best of any late brightness down towards the southeast anglia, the southeast and east anglia, the far north of scotland. also seeing skies seeing some clear skies overnight. it might turn overnight. so here it might turn locally chilly, elsewhere, locally chilly, but elsewhere, temperatures not falling much lower than 7 or 8 degrees, but it will be quite grey and murky in places, especially across any high ground. so just be a bit wary of that if you are travelling overnight. so a grey start for a lot of the country as we start the new working week. still of some week. still the risk of some light outbreaks of rain and drizzle but there will be drizzle too. but there will be some brighter skies developing in northern ireland, the in places. northern ireland, the far north scotland and far north of scotland and eventually east anglia and eventually into east anglia and the as we approach the south—east. as we approach lunchtime so the sunshine, lunchtime. so in the sunshine, feeling pleasantly for feeling pleasantly warm for the time year reaching 18 time of year highs reaching 18 or degrees. but elsewhere for or 19 degrees. but elsewhere for around par for this time of year into the evening, we may well see some late sunshine

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