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broadcast to christine hamilton and eme— broadcast to christine hamilton and also broadcaster and mummie— and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but next up, journalist danny kelly. but next .,,, we-u— journalist danny kelly. but next up, well be— journalist danny kelly. but next up, we'll be going head to head in up, we'll be going head to head m e— up, we'll be going head to head m a mem— up, we'll be going head to head m e eweem ef— up, we'll be going head to head in a clash of minds— up, we'll be going head to head in a clash of minds with gb news meeemer— in a clash of minds with gb news meeemer eme— in a clash of minds with gb news presenter and former mep martin oeubmew— presenter and former mep martin oeubmew eme— presenter and former mep martin daubney and also— presenter and former mep martin daubney and also former editor of me— daubney and also former editor of the labourlist_ daubney and also former editor of the labourlist peter edwards. but of the labourlist peter edwards. em before— of the labourlist peter edwards. em before we— of the labourlist peter edwards. but before we get— of the labourlist peter edwards. but before we get started , let's but before we get started, let's get but before we get started, let's gee wow— but before we get started, let's gee your totem— but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . get your latest news headlines. gooe— get your latest news headlines. good afternoon— get your latest news headlines. good afternoon to— get your latest news headlines. good afternoon to you. - get your latest news headlines. good afternoon to you. it's- good afternoon to you. it's a minute past three. i'm arron armstrong and the gb newsroom. i'm. the health secretary has urged the royal college of nursing to reconsider their planned industrial action at the end of the in a letter to end of the month. in a letter to the unions leader this morning, steve the recent steve barclay said the recent pay steve barclay said the recent pay recommend to rcn steve barclay said the recent pay was�*nmend to rcn steve barclay said the recent pay was anend to rcn steve barclay said the recent pay was a faird to rcn steve barclay said the recent pay was a fair and rcn members was a fair and reasonable settlement and their decision to hold a 48 hour strike will put patients at risk. the chs general secretary, pat cullen, has criticised the government, though for refusing to budge on its offer of a 5% pay rise for our members. neither think it's reoeomome— our members. neither think it's reoeomome or— our members. neither think it's reasonable or fair. _ our members. neither think it's reasonable or fair. it's-

” neither think it's reasonable or fair. it's a short term— reasonable or fair. it's a short term approach— reasonable or fair. it's a short term approach that plugs a gap by giving— term approach that plugs a gap by gwmg mem— term approach that plugs a gap by gwmg mem o— term approach that plugs a gap by giving them a one off. what mew-ve— by giving them a one off. what they've described— by giving them a one off. what they've described as a bonus . they've described as a bonus. moo-e— they've described as a bonus. that's certainly— they've described as a bonus. that's certainly not going to address— that's certainly not going to address the— that's certainly not going to address the fundamental crisis moo— address the fundamental crisis that we— address the fundamental crisis that we move— address the fundamental crisis that we have got— address the fundamental crisis that we have got within our mweme— that we have got within our nursing profession or within the wes— nursing profession or within the wws . — nursing profession or within the nhs. meanwhile,— nursing profession or within the nhs . harm" ” nursing profession or within the nhs. meanwhile, labour has vowed to end what it has described as a postcode lottery for gp appointments if it wins the next election. the party says up to three quarters of patients in some parts of england aren't able to see their doctor of choice and only half of appointments are held face to face. is promising to face. labour is promising to double the number of doctors trained every year 15,000. trained every year to 15,000. and shadow secretary wes and shadow health secretary wes streeting people need streeting says young people need more opportunities to enter the profession unless the nhs has the staff it needs, it's going to struggle to treat patients on time and we're going to end up in this bizarre situation where on we're turning away on one hand we're turning away straight—a from straight—a grade students from studying university studying medicine at university whilst recruiting people from overseas as in greater numbers than we're training our own home—grown staff , which than we're training our own home—grown staff, which is not fair to other countries around the world. but even more

importantly,— the world. but even more importantly, it's- : but even more importantly, it's not fair to mom— importantly, it's not fair to bright teenagers who bright teenagers in britain who come— bright teenagers in britain who could—doctors- bright teenagers in britain whoi could—doctors and could be promising doctors and memos— could be promising doctors and memes-me— could be promising doctors and medics-the future- could be promising doctors and medics the future who are medics of the future who are being— medics of the future who are oemg oemeo— medics of the future who are being denied the opportunity mome— being denied the opportunity meme—emet- plans to build new smart motorways— plans to build new smart motorways are- plans to build new smart motorways are being cancelled become— motorways are being cancelled become of— motorways are being cancelled because of concerns over safety oom— because of concerns over safety com me — because of concerns over safety com and wow— because of concerns over safety cost and low public confidence. me— cost and low public confidence. the government's— cost and low public confidence. the government's confirmed 14 planned projects have been scrapped and existing stretches will be made safer. campaigners are demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart motorways. the conservative party chairman, greg hands told camilla tominey the government are putting public safety first. it's be right for to , us as i it's be right for to, us as i say,— it's be right for to, us as i eow took— it's be right for to, us as i saw took oo— it's be right for to, us as i say, look at the- it's be right for to, us as i say, look at the evidence to abom— say, look at the evidence to come about it— say, look at the evidence to come about it with. bear in mime,— come about it with. bear in mmo ou— come about it with. bear in mind, all the— come about it with. bear in mind, all the factors that are moved— mind, all the factors that are involved and— mind, all the factors that are involved and that's why we've token— involved and that's why we've token me— involved and that's why we've taken the decision as a result of me— taken the decision as a result of me public— taken the decision as a result of the public concern to cease emom— of the public concern to cease new smart motorways . that's what new smart motorways. that's what i mmk— new smart motorways. that's what i mm m— new smart motorways. that's what wommk is me— new smart motorways. that's what i think is the right— new smart motorways. that's what i think is the right decision . i think is the right decision. ammo— i think is the right decision. animal rights— i think is the right decision. animal rights activists- i think is the right decision. animal rights activists are calling for jump animal rights activists are calling forjump racing to be calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at the grand national festival. 118 people were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday , disrupting the event yesterday, delaying the start of the race.

animal rising. the campaign group wants to see more stringent safety measures implemented and has warned further protests will take place over the summer in a statement, the british horseracing authority robustly condemned the action , adding it's action, adding it's investigating what caused the fatalities . global leaders are fatalities. global leaders are holding crisis talks in an effort to bring an end to a second day of heavy fighting in sudan on at least 56 civilians have been killed and almost 600 injured as the army and paramilitary forces battle for control all across the capital, khartoum . both sides claim to khartoum. both sides claim to have taken the airport, the presidential palace and state tv. tensions have escalated recently as rival factions negotiate over a proposed transition to civilian rule following a military coup in 2021. the us, china, the eu and un are among a number of international powers appealing for an immediate end to hostilities . the uk will use the hostilities. the uk will use the g7 foreign ministers meeting in

japan to promote a free and open indo—pacific. james cleverly says the region is critical to the uk's economy, security and values. britain recently joined a major indo—pacific bloc, its biggest trade deal since leaving the eu. the meeting in japan is also expected to focus on support for ukraine and closer security and defence ties to counter the threat of china and thousands of armed forces . thousands of armed forces. veterans and nhs workers will get to watch the coronation from a special platform in front of buckingham palace. they'll get a close up view of key moments on the 6th of may, including the processions. is the appearance of the royal family on the balcony and a fly—past by the armed forces. 3800 seats will be available in the grandstand at the queen victoria memorial for pubuc the queen victoria memorial for public servants, which the culture secretary says is a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . this is gb news more gratitude. this is gb news more as it happens . now let's return as it happens. now let's return

to nana . to nana. thank to nana.- i thank you, to wome— . thank you, aaron. to none.— - thank you, aaron. before to wome— - thank you, aaron. before we to nana. thank you, aaron. before we get stuck . thank you, aaron. before we get meek—after- stuck into the debates, after moo,— stuck into the debates, after moo-meow— stuck into the debates, after 4:00, - head to - stuck into the debates, after 4:00, head to head this 4:00, going head to head this how— 4:00, going head to head this how we— 4:00, going head to head this how we ee— 4:00, going head to head this hour is gb news— 4:00, going head to head this hour is gb news presenter and commemor— hour is gb news presenter and contributor martin daubney and former— contributor martin daubney and former editor— contributor martin daubney and former editor of— contributor martin daubney and former editor of the label is peter— former editor of the label is peter edwards. _ former editor of the label is peter edwards. now coming up in oooow-e— peter edwards. now coming up in oooow-e meow— peter edwards. now coming up in oooow-e meow oo— peter edwards. now coming up in today's head to boris today's head to head, boris johnson— today's head to head, boris johnson claims— today's head to head, boris johnson claims that mayor sadiq today's head to head, boris johns haslaims that mayor sadiq today's head to head, boris johns has misled1at mayor sadiq today's head to head, boris johns has misled the viayor sadiq today's head to head, boris johns has misled the publicsadiq today's head to head, boris johns has misled the public about khan has misled the public about the khan has misled the public about owe-owing— khan has misled the public about owe-eowmg moo— khan has misled the public about the-saying that it- khan has misled the public about the saying that it has the ulez, saying that it has nothing— the ulez, saying that it has nothing oo— the ulez, saying that it has nothing to do— the ulez, saying that it has nothing to do with saving lives ome— nothing to do with saving lives me everything— nothing to do with saving lives and everything to— nothing to do with saving lives and everything to do with mung— and everything to do with mumg o— and everything to do with filling a black— and everything to do with filling a black hole in transport— filling a black hole in womepom-l filling a black hole in| transport-. so filling a black hole in- transport-. so should filling a black hole in— transport-. so should we transport finances. so should we oomp— transport finances. so should we scrap mez— transport finances. so should we scrap ulez then?— transport finances. so should we scrap ulez then? david cameron has scrap ulez then? david cameron me wome— scrap ulez then? david cameron me oome o— scrap ulez then? david cameron has done a u—turn_ scrap ulez then? david cameron has done a u—turn on his emmeme— has done a u—turn on his criticisms. criticisms of cuts to foreign— criticisms. criticisms of cuts to foreign aid. _ criticisms. criticisms of cuts to foreign aid. but he's called for moe— to foreign aid. but he's called for more private— to foreign aid. but he's called for more private banks to invest in for more private banks to invest m afmeom— for more private banks to invest in african nations— for more private banks to invest in african nations to offer an alternative— in african nations to offer an alternative for— in african nations to offer an alternative for poorer nations. as alternative for poorer nations. ae cmmeee— alternative for poorer nations. as chinese influence sweeps, oewewopmg— as chinese influence sweeps, developing countries . should we developing countries. should we do developing countries. should we oo moe— developing countries. should we do oo— developing countries. should we do more to kerb— developing countries. should we do more to kerb chinese mfluemee— do more to kerb chinese influence across africa? then following— influence across africa? then following the _ influence across africa? then following the disruption of yesterday-e— following the disruption of yesterday's 175th grand national by yesterday's175th grand national by animal— yesterday's175th grand national

by animal rights— yesterday's175th grand national by animal rights protesters, wmem— by animal rights protesters, wmem sow— by animal rights protesters, which saw three horses put down ommow— which saw three horses put down ommow mome— which saw three horses put down animal rights campaigners are coming— animal rights campaigners are eoume for— animal rights campaigners are eoume for o— animal rights campaigners are calling for a ban— animal rights campaigners are calling for a ban to show jumping.— calling for a ban to show jumping- em— calling for a ban to show jumping. but should horse racing be homeo— jumping. but should horse racing be banned altogether? and reform uk leader— be banned altogether? and reform uk leader richard— be banned altogether? and reform uk leader richard tice says that he uk leader richard tice says that me wome— uk leader richard tice says that me wome oo— uk leader richard tice says that he wants to take— uk leader richard tice says that he wants to take inspiration from— he wants to take inspiration from us— he wants to take inspiration from us republican ron desantis. the from us republican ron desantis. me eoemo— from us republican ron desantis. the governor of— from us republican ron desantis. the governor of florida, who has homeo— the governor of florida, who has banned instruction— the governor of florida, who has banned instruction on gender memo— banned instruction on gender identity m— banned instruction on gender identity in primary schools. wee— identity in primary schools. we me— identity in primary schools. tice has said— identity in primary schools. tice has said that he wants a oom— tice has said that he wants a bow. em— tice has said that he wants a ban. but should— tice has said that he wants a ban. but should we? that's coming— ban. but should we? that's come up.— ban. but should we? that's coming up. tell— ban. but should we? that's coming up. tell me more on ewewmmg— coming up. tell me more on everything discussing. everything we're discussing. omen— everything we're discussing. omen ee— everything we're discussing. email gb views— everything we're discussing. email gb views gbnews.uk or email gb views at gbnews.uk or tweet— email gb views at gbnews.uk or wet me— email gb views at gbnews.uk or wet me oo— email gb views at gbnews.uk or wet me at .— email gb views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb— email gb views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right. so tweet me at. gb news. right. so wee-e— tweet me at. gb news. right. so wee-e oo— tweet me at. gb news. right. so wee-e oo ome- — tweet me at. gb news. right. so let's do this. let's— tweet me at. gb news. right. so let's do this. let's go head to heed. — let's do this. let's go head to heed. leo-e— let's do this. let's go head to head. let's kick— let's do this. let's go head to head. let's kick off with the me— head. let's kick off with the me tome.— head. let's kick off with the first topic. boris— head. let's kick off with the first topic. boris johnson. now he first topic. boris johnson. now me we— first topic. boris johnson. now me is me— first topic. boris johnson. now he is the latest— first topic. boris johnson. now he is the latest to— first topic. boris johnson. now he is the latest to hit back at seem— he is the latest to hit back at seem khom— he is the latest to hit back at sadiq khan and— he is the latest to hit back at sadiq khan and the ulez plan by claiming— sadiq khan and the ulez plan by claiming moo— sadiq khan and the ulez plan by claiming that the— sadiq khan and the ulez plan by claiming that the scheme was designed— claiming that the scheme was designed lfill_ claiming that the scheme was designed-fill-in- claiming that the scheme was designed fill in tfl's designed to fill a gap in tfl's fmomeee— designed to fill a gap in tfl's finances rather— designed to fill a gap in tfl's finances rather than be a low emissions— finances rather than be a low emissions-now- emissions program. now that emer— emissions program. now that comes after the— emissions program. now that comes after the mayor's comments moo— comes after the mayor's comments mm mm— comes after the mayor's comments moo hie-moo— comes after the mayor's comments that his-that would- comes after the mayor's comments that his that would see that his plan that would see eomoomem— that his plan that would see londoners charged up to £12.50 win— londoners charged up to £12.50 win-om— londoners charged up to £12.50 will-air pollution- londoners charged up to £12.50 will air pollution in will reduce air pollution in eomoom— will reduce air pollution in london, which— will reduce air pollution in london, which is estimated to mu— london, which is estimated to mu mome— london, which is estimated to kill around about— london, which is estimated to kill around about 400 of the

comm-e— kill around about 400 of the capital's residents every year. now:— capital's residents every year. now, _statsl capital's residents every year.| now, _stats are now, that's what the stats are eowme, — now, that's what the stats are eowmg, om— now, that's what the stats are saying, but let's— now, that's what the stats are saying, but let's welcome again to my— saying, but let's welcome again to my panel— saying, but let's welcome again to my pomew .— saying, but let's welcome again to my pomew. rm— saying, but let's welcome again to my panel. i'm joined by former— to my panel. i'm joined by former editor— to my panel. i'm joined by former editor labourlist, former editor of the labourlist, peter— former editor of the labourlist, peter-aweo, - former editor of the labourlist, peter-also, smile,- peter edwards. also, smile, peter— peter edwards. also, smile, peter emkey, — peter edwards. also, smile, peter crikey, you on very serious topics. - peter crikey, you on very serious topics. you're on candid camera mate. err,— serious topics. you're on candid camera mate. err, felicia , very camera mate. err, felicia, very tome.— camera mate. err, felicia, very serious topic. it— camera mate. err, felicia, very serious topic. it is— camera mate. err, felicia, very serious topic. it is indeed. and of—wewe— serious topic. it is indeed. and of news contributor of course, gb news contributor omo— of course, gb news contributor omo-memo— of course, gb news contributor and-brexit party- of course, gb news contributor and brexit party mep, and former brexit party mep, momm— and former brexit party mep, martin daubney— and former brexit party mep, martin daubney. i think on that, i'm martin daubney. i think on that, m gomg— martin daubney. i think on that, m gomg oo— martin daubney. i think on that, m gomg to seem— martin daubney. i think on that, i'm going to start with martin. peter,— i'm going to start with martin. peter, oo— i'm going to start with martin. peter, do you— i'm going to start with martin. peter, do you mind? martin what do peter, do you mind? martin what oo-mem — peter, do you mind? martin what oo-mem w— peter, do you mind? martin what do-then? ithink- peter, do you mind? martin what do-then? i think the. do you think then? i think the mem— do you think then? i think the truth is finally emerging . ulez truth is finally emerging. ulez is the greatest pickpocket scheme in the history of modern politics. acas it's taxation dressed as salvation. it's saving the planet while crushing the working classes . quite the working classes. quite simply, the poorest motorists are most affected by this. they can't afford a tesla. they can't afford a new car. they often live in the boroughs. there's a map in the telegraph today showing that many of these boroughs are more than a mile from the nearest public transport link, so are transport link, so they are forced to drive . the air quality forced to drive. the air quality argument doesn't stack up ehhen argument doesn't stack up either. the most polluted air is

in the city of london it has the least deaths by air pollution. the cleanest there is in bromley , which has the most deaths per borough. and why is that? because oldest live because the oldest people live in those boroughs. they die with complications aligned to air pollution in a bit like people who died with covid also had underlying health conditions before. it's a con, it's a pickpocket— ”it; it's a con, it's a pickpocket scheme. : z before. it's a con, it's a- pickpocket scheme. sadiq khan, i think, is a highway robber. he makes dick turpin look like mother teresa , and i wish there mother teresa, and i wish there was a protest at trafalgar square yesterday , which i square yesterday, which i covered on my show, and we gave it a fair hearing. the only emommei— it a fair hearing. the only channel to— it a fair hearing. the only channel to do— it a fair hearing. the only channel to do so.- it a fair hearing. the only channel to do so. - it a fair hearing. the only channel to do so. gb- it a fair hearing. the only channel to do so. gb news gave those people a fair hearing. they're being smeared as far right as crackpots, as conspiracy theorists. conspiracy conspiracy theorists. no, working class people no, they're working class people who simply want to get to work without having all their money taken away by grasping politicians like sadiq khan . politicians like sadiq khan. well, i would have pulled you up on well, i would have pulled you up om—om— well, i would have pulled you up om—om me— well, i would have pulled you up om—om me we- well, i would have pulled you up on_but he did call. on dick turpin, but he did call the-right— on dick turpin, but he did call the-right omo- the others far right and everything— the others far right and everything-if- the others far right and everything if they everything else if they disagreed— everything else if theyi disagreed-so everything else if they- disagreed-so i'm disagreed with him. so i'm ammo—

disagreed with him. so i'm afraid-fair?- disagreed with him. so i'm afraid fair? what do afraid it's fair. fair? what do you— afraid it's fair. fair? what do you mink,— afraid it's fair. fair? what do you think, peter? will iiex " you think, peter? well, martin had a lot of sound soundbites and lyrical, but and some very lyrical, but i don't think it really stands up to scrutiny. sadiq to scrutiny. so really, sadiq khan, mayor of london, has khan, the mayor of london, has been a champion ulez, you been a champion of ulez, you know, low emission know, the ultra low emission zone many years. the zone for many years. and on the bafis zone for many years. and on the basis of that, he was re—elected, so there re—elected, re—elected. so there is appetite so is a public appetite for it. so secondly, point you to the secondly, i'd point you to the times in the times times investigation in the times newspaper, way, is not newspaper, by the way, is not very i think we can very socialist. i think we can all agree on that. they ran in the last few years, said on average kids london in the average kids in london in the inner city, grew with lungs. inner city, grew up with lungs. 10% other parts of 10% smaller than other parts of the i'm that the country. and i'm sure that will horrify everyone, parent or not, parent. air not, a parent. so we know air pollution is a problem. we know air very sadly, air pollution, very sadly, is starting appear death starting to appear on death certificate sites in the caphal certificate sites in the capital. know sadiq khan capital. and we know sadiq khan was elected to do something about it. well, sadiq khan ween-t— about it. well, sadiq khan wasn't elected— about it. well, sadiq khan wasn't elected to- c well, sadiq khan wasn't elected to expand ulez. in wasn't elected to expand ulez. m—mo- wasn't elected to expand ulez. m—mo ououel in fact, there was no public consultation— in fact, there was no public consultation that whatsoever consultation on that whatsoever mere. — consultation on that whatsoever mere-people- consultation on that whatsoever there. - people were . there. and when people were consumed,— there. and when people were consulted, wholeheartedly consulted, they wholeheartedly reject— consulted, they wholeheartedly reject - actually - consulted, they wholeheartedly reject actually being reject it. it's actually being challenged— reject it. it's actually being challenged court. right now challenged in court. right now as we speak.— challenged in court. right now as we epeok. — challenged in court. right now as we speak. what- challenged in court. right now as we speak. what would you do about air pollution in london? air pollution is already getting

better— air pollution is already getting better m— air pollution is already getting better in london,— air pollution is already getting better in london, quite simply become— better in london, quite simply because cars— better in london, quite simply because cars are— better in london, quite simply because cars are getting. greener —wny. greener. and by the way, motorists off motorists are being priced off the road. car ownership is on the road. car ownership is on the decline in london. what would time? what would you do first time? what would you do first time? what would about it? i would would i do about it? i would encourage people to buy cleaner cars. wouldn't punish them cars. i wouldn't punish them into scrappage scheme into it. cars scrappage scheme encouraged a encouraged people to take a brompton use is that? brompton bike. what use is that? if a builder if you're a builder or decorator, what balance decorator, what do you balance your your head? your ladder on your head? i mean, seriously , look, mean. mean, seriously, look, i mean. and the other side of it is if you— and the other side of it is if you asking,— and the other side of it is if you asking, what would you do anom— you asking, what would you do ononr ne— you asking, what would you do mom in r— you asking, what would you do about it? i would— you asking, what would you do about it? i would actually work wrrn— about it? i would actually work mm o— about it? i would actually work mm o mer— about it? i would actually work with a fuel companies and create mor— with a fuel companies and create no mean— with a fuel companies and create we deem ner— with a fuel companies and create that clean net zero— with a fuel companies and create that clean net zero zero carbon men— that clean net zero zero carbon men wnren— that clean net zero zero carbon men wnren re— that clean net zero zero carbon fuel, which is available. so i wowe— fuel, which is available. so i wowo onen— fuel, which is available. so i would push that— fuel, which is available. so i would push that , especially in would push that, especially in rryrng— would push that, especially in trying-encourage- would push that, especially in. trying-encourage-to trying to encourage motorists to use that particular fuel. i women-r— use that particular fuel. i wouldn't charging . how come wouldn't be charging. how come it's wouldn't be charging. how come its okay— wouldn't be charging. how come its okay mor— wouldn't be charging. how come it's okay that-can- wouldn't be charging. how come it's okay that can come in it's okay that you can come in for ere-see— it's okay that you can come in for £12.50? well,— it's okay that you can come in for £12.50? well, it— it's okay that you can come in for £12.50? well, it means that if for £12.50? well, it means that n yore— for £12.50? well, it means that n yore non— for £12.50? well, it means that if you're rich you— for £12.50? well, it means that if you're rich you can do it. if yon-re— if you're rich you can do it. if yore p00.— if you're rich you can do it. if yore poor, you— if you're rich you can do it. if you're poor, you can't. let's zoom-for— you're poor, you can't. let's zoom-for n— you're poor, you can't. let's zoom for a minute and not be zoom out for a minute and not be part political. when governments try part political. when governments rry-nenowonn— part political. when governments try-behaviour, they- try to change behaviour, they reno— try to change behaviour, they rend-o— try to change behaviour, they tend-a carrot,- tend to have a carrot, an rneenrwe— tend to have a carrot, an incentive people tend to have a carrot, an- incentive-peoplelchange incentive for people to change one—me- incentive for people to change. and _the taxation and a stick through the taxation eyerem. — and a stick through the taxation eyerem. -wee— and a stick through the taxation system. we've seen that system. and we've seen that mommy— system. and we've seen that prononry rne— system. and we've seen that probably the biggest example in my rrrerrme— probably the biggest example in my rrrerrme re— probably the biggest example in my lifetime is smoking, where

the my lifetime is smoking, where rne—on- my lifetime is smoking, wherej the—on cigarettes the tax is rightly on cigarettes nove— the tax is rightly on cigarettes have-up— the tax is rightly on cigarettes have up enormously. there's the tax is rightly on cigarettes have more up enormously. there's the tax is rightly on cigarettes have more gp enormously. there's the tax is rightly on cigarettes have more gp and mously. there's the tax is rightly on cigarettes have more gp and nhsly. there's the tax is rightly on cigarettes have more gp and nhs supporte's the tax is rightly on cigarettes have more gp and nhs support to a lot more gp and nhs support to one— a lot more gp and nhs support to give no— a lot more gp and nhs support to give no smoking— a lot more gp and nhs support to give up smoking because it's bad for me— give up smoking because it's bad for the individual,— give up smoking because it's bad for the individual, but it's neo— for the individual, but it's oreo-rne- for the individual, but it's also the public purse also bad for the public purse neeonee— also bad for the public purse because-all— also bad for the public purse because all illnesses because of all the illnesses mor— because of all the illnesses that-treatment- because of all the illnesses. that-treatment.the that require treatment on the nhs.— that require treatment on the nhs.-gor— that require treatment on the nns.-eor no- that require treatment on the nhs. got no problem with nhs. so i've got no problem with the nhs. so i've got no problem with rne—roxorron- nhs. so i've got no problem with the _taxation to . the idea of having taxation to monge— the idea of having taxation to onenee o— the idea of having taxation to change a behaviour, but i oneornrery— change a behaviour, but i absolutely accept for, for poorer— absolutely accept for, for poorer row— absolutely accept for, for poorer folk in— absolutely accept for, for poorer folk in london , martin poorer folk in london, martin onen— poorer folk in london, martin erred o— poorer folk in london, martin erred o rew— poorer folk in london, martin cited a few industries that rely on a car. another— cited a few industries that rely on a car. another one is taxi drivers. — on a car. another one is taxi drivers. n— on a car. another one is taxi drivers. n re— on a car. another one is taxi drivers. it is going to be very open— drivers. it is going to be very open one— drivers. it is going to be very open and r— drivers. it is going to be very tough and i think we've got to rowe— tough and i think we've got to rake mor— tough and i think we've got to take that seriously and not oremree— take that seriously and not enemies in— take that seriously and not dismiss it. but— take that seriously and not dismiss it. but i do believe mere-e— dismiss it. but i do believe rnere-e on— dismiss it. but i do believe there's an air— dismiss it. but i do believe there's an air quality crisis. mew.— there's an air quality crisis. new. whor— there's an air quality crisis. well, what-and- there's an air quality crisis. well, what-and also,. there's an air quality crisis. - well, what-and also, what well, what about and also, what about on outside about the people on the outside of ulez? so for those people of the ulez? so for those people on now who will on the edge now who will probably be around the bromley area, are quite healthy now, area, who are quite healthy now, you've the cars going you've got all the cars going that way, what about i that way, what about them? i mean, you can't that way, what about them? i meamove you can't that way, what about them? i mea move the you can't that way, what about them? i meamove the air you can't that way, what about them? i meamove the air around:an't that way, what about them? i meamove the air around like just move the air around like that. it doesn't it doesn't stack up. it doesn't make sense. well, moving the air around. veon. — well, moving the air around. veon. -noe- well, moving the air around.- yeah. _has-moving yeah. i mean, has been moving the yeah. i mean, has been moving rne-oronno— yeah. i mean, has been moving the-around-beenl the pollution around has been one-criticisms- the pollution around has been one-criticisms of- the pollution around has been one criticisms of low one of the criticisms of low nonre— one of the criticisms of low traffic neighbourhoods. the idea mor— traffic neighbourhoods. the idea rnor pernope— traffic neighbourhoods. the idea rnor pernope yon— traffic neighbourhoods. the idea that perhaps you people on that perhaps you know, people on the that perhaps you know, people on rne-crrewor— that perhaps you know, people on the-circular get— that perhaps you know, people on the circular get traffic the north circular get traffic reronreo— the north circular get traffic

rerouted _the l rerouted to them, but the nonme— rerouted to them, but the- martin's—bromley rerouted to them, but the- martin's_bromley , martin's point about bromley, rnere— martin's point about bromley, mere-or— martin's point about bromley, there of different there are lots of different rnrnee— there are lots of different rnrnpe-eo— there are lots of different things-go into- there are lots of different things go into health things that go into health outcomes-we- things that go into health outcomes we can't list them outcomes and we can't list them all outcomes and we can't list them err-know,— outcomes and we can't list them err-know, wren- all now. you know, diet, education,— all now. you know, diet,- education,-housing. education, quality of housing. ano— education, quality of housing. ann-eo— education, quality of housing. ann-eo-nm- and so on and so on. but money,— and so on and so on. but nromrey, oe— and so on and so on. but bromley, as i— and so on and so on. but bromley, as i understand it, is a bromley, as i understand it, is o errpnrry— bromley, as i understand it, is a slightly affluent a slightly more affluent area. mere— a slightly more affluent area. rnere-orner— a slightly more affluent area. there -other-why. there are other things why nromrey— there are other things why nromrey re— there are other things why money is o— there are other things why bromley is a nice place to live rnor— bromley is a nice place to live rnor eon— bromley is a nice place to live that can affect— bromley is a nice place to live that can affect health outcomes. you know,— that can affect health outcomes. you know,.can't_ that can affect health outcomes. you know,.can't pin- that can affect health outcomes. you know, can't pin this all you know, we can't pin this all down— you know, we can't pin this all down-one— you know, we can't pin this all down-one thing— you know, we can't pin this all down one thing like ulez. �*fw�*rz; down on one thing like ulez. we proo— down on one thing like ulez. we pron-oown— down on one thing like ulez. we also-down deaths- down on one thing like ulez. we also-down deaths due. also can't pin down deaths due to respiratory illness in bromley on air pollution caused by cars . we just can't in the by cars. we just can't in the same way, we can't put it down to any one factor. they have an older population who probably smoked when they were smoked more when they were younger they're that younger because they're of that generation. they generation. even if they succumbed respiratory succumbed to a respiratory illness later in life , you can't illness later in life, you can't say that's caused by air pollution alone. there is no science to back that and back science to back that up and back to about taxation, to your thing about taxation, which is what this is about smoking. you're right, the rates have from like 20% to have come down from like 20% to 14% in five years. but the tax revenue stayed stable, £12 revenue has stayed stable, £12 billion. the exchequer takes on tobacco tax . sadiq khan has seen tobacco tax. sadiq khan has seen the motorist as a cash cow. he

can forever milk dry to pay for his buckling failing transport for london motor wrists are being taxed to death to pay for pubuc being taxed to death to pay for public transport. he's given away free school meals. there's no such thing as a free as a free lunch. the free lunch is coming from taking money off motorists he's taking from the poor and he's giving it to the rich. city hall. martin i think that's a bit of a stream of consciousness rant, taking everything to go back to prove me of my points to me wrong on any of my points to go back to air quality. so there actually has been— grin ” so there actually has been someone who's reeouy— actually has been someone who's legally qualified,— actually has been someone who's legally qualified, called a coroner. and— legally qualified, called a coroner. and i'm sure know coroner. and i'm sure you know wnor— coroner. and i'm sure you know wnor-or— coroner. and i'm sure you know wnor-or o— coroner. and i'm sure you know what-of a coroner- coroner. and i'm sure you know what of a coroner who what the role of a coroner who eno— what the role of a coroner who one or— what the role of a coroner who said air quality— what the role of a coroner who said air quality contributed to the said air quality contributed to me remn— said air quality contributed to me dean of— said air quality contributed to the death of a— said air quality contributed to the death of a child contributes. - the death of a child- contributes. - interrupt contributes. i didn't interrupt you— contributes. i didn't interrupt yonwoe—- contributes. i didn't interrupt you was included contributes. i didn't interrupt. you _was included on you. and that was included on the you. and that was included on me oeorn— you. and that was included on the death certificate of a child . so— the death certificate of a child . so more— the death certificate of a child . so more o— the death certificate of a child . so that's a coroner, a legally premier— . so that's a coroner, a legally qualified person? . so that's a coroner, a legally qualified person? / . so that's a coroner, a legally qualified person? “in?“ \rrt:r . so that's a coroner, a legally qualified person? “in?“ \rrt qualified person? yeah. no, no. but you let's let's be but you know, let's let's be honest as well. she did have oernmo— honest as well. she did have oernmo one— honest as well. she did have asthma and it— honest as well. she did have asthma and it did— she did have asthma and it did contribute. i wowe— asthma and it did contribute. i would understand that bad air wowe— would understand that bad air would contribute— would understand that bad air would contribute to that. and ou— would contribute to that. and on we— would contribute to that. and we're all we all— would contribute to that. and we're all we all want good air. neme— we're all we all want good air. meme-me— we're all we all want good air. meme-me way— we're all we all want good air. right?-the way to- we're all we all want good air. right? the way to go about right? but the way to go about it right? but the way to go about n emery— right? but the way to go about n emery rem-r— right? but the way to go about it surely isn't charging eomepooy— somebody £12.50, then making

rnem — somebody £12.50, then making them _somewhere- somebody £12.50, then making them somewhere else to them go round somewhere else to one— them go round somewhere else to ewe—me— them go round somewhere else to ewe—melon- give other people the bad air, if give other people the bad air, n—re— give other people the bad air, n—re rne- give other people the bad air, if is the reasoning if that really is the reasoning it if that really is the reasoning rr-ro— if that really is the reasoning rr-ro-rrke- if that really is the reasoning it-to-like it's- it sounds to me like it's a money— it sounds to me like it's a money prop— it sounds to me like it's a money grab because if you can more— money grab because if you can more in— money grab because if you can more in you— money grab because if you can afford it, you can— money grab because if you can afford it, you can do it. so rney— afford it, you can do it. so rney eon-r— afford it, you can do it. so they don't really care. �*fw�*rtgt they don't really care. well, mere— they don't really care. well, rnere oem— they don't really care. well, there seem to _ they don't really care. well, there seem to be two different objections. one is, is the objections. one is, is it the right to change behaviour? right way to change behaviour? yeah, then yeah, i think it is. and then what should the mayor of london yeah, i think it is. and then wh aboutuld the mayor of london yeah, i think it is. and then wh about the the mayor of london yeah, i think it is. and then wh about the financial' of london yeah, i think it is. and then wh about the financial pressuresn do about the financial pressures on the capital, whether that's tfl things when your tfl or other things when your spending power, to one spending power, but to pick one of those probably haven't of those and probably haven't got to go at all now, it got time to go at all now, it was coalition government that was a coalition government that scrapped london scrapped the london mayor's direct tfl and i'm direct grant for tfl and i'm afraid the tory mayor that agreed to scrapping the government grant was someone called boris johnson, of called boris johnson, and of course now it's that same person called boris johnson, who's now potentially seat potentially in a swing seat fighting life. fighting for his political life. yeah, but you've got look yeah, but but you've got to look at yeah, but but you've got to look elves.— yeah, but but you've got to look orlvee. vow-re— yeah, but but you've got to look at yes. you're pointing out at it. yes. you're pointing out romeo,— at it. yes. you're pointing out tories, liberal— at it. yes. you're pointing out tories, liberal democrats. what oponr— tories, liberal democrats. what oponr sadiq— tories, liberal democrats. what about sadiq - he's - tories, liberal democrats. what about sadiq he's labour about sadiq khan? he's labour one— about sadiq khan? he's labour and—something- about sadiq khan? he's labour and something that and he's doing something that moor—r- and he's doing something thati moor—r and he's doing something thati moon—r and he's doing something thati mosis a_| mean, and he's doing something that mosis a democracy i mean, and he's doing something that mosis a democracy as i mean, and he's doing something that mosis a democracy as fariean, and he's doing something that mosis a democracy as far as n, this is a democracy as far as in — this is a democracy as far as in eoneemeo— this is a democracy as far as i'm concerned. and if people eon-r— i'm concerned. and if people eon-r reouy— i'm concerned. and if people don't really want— i'm concerned. and if people don't really want to do it and neo— don't really want to do it and me nor— don't really want to do it and he's not really— don't really want to do it and he's not really pulling it out, rnen— he's not really pulling it out, rnen nee— he's not really pulling it out, then he's listening. and then he's not listening. and rnen— then he's not listening. and then-becomes- then he's not listening. and then becomes something

then that becomes something ene— then that becomes something ewe-nor— then that becomes something else.-not allowed. then that becomes something else. not allowed to else. and he's not allowed to renewe— else. and he's not allowed to behave -that. _ else. and he's not allowed to behave that. well behave like that. well that's why— behave like that. well that's why-elections. - behave like that. well that's. why-elections. you're why we have elections. you're nnoowrery— why we have elections. you're absolutely let's try absolutely right. let's try and end a of consensus. end on a note of consensus. there's election. he won the there's an election. he won the last he's standing last one and he's standing again. find out. again. so we'll soon find out. it is a democracy and you are nonr— it is a democracy and you are mom on— it is a democracy and you are mom on men — it is a democracy and you are right on that. i— it is a democracy and you are right on that. i agree on the pemoerorre— right on that. i agree on the democratic mandate. i think we need— democratic mandate. i think we neeolonrr — democratic mandate. i think we need-anti ulez— democratic mandate. i think we need anti ulez candidate need an anti ulez candidate with proper— need an anti ulez candidate with proper-credibility- proper political credibility and proper— proper political credibility and proper funding— proper political credibility and proper funding to against proper funding to stand against some— proper funding to stand against sown-mere- sadiq khan and there are mrrrrone— sadiq khan and there are millions will millions of motorists who will wore — millions of motorists who will wore for— millions of motorists who will wore for nor— millions of motorists who will vote for that candidate. bring it vote for that candidate. bring rr-eonnoe— vote for that candidate. bring it-sounds like- it on. it sounds like a volunteer. _ it on. it sounds like a volunteer. i- it on. it sounds like a volunteer. i know. i know a man wno-e— volunteer. i know. i know a man wno-e wen— volunteer. i know. i know a man wno-e werrlror— volunteer. i know. i know a man who's well-for it— volunteer. i know. i know a man who's well for it and who's well up for it and i enppon— who's well up for it and i enppon nrm — who's well up for it and i support him totally. that? support him totally. who's that? mar-u— support him totally. who's that? morn-rime.— support him totally. who's that? rnor-u-rrme. - support him totally. who's that? that'll time. “7’ that'll come in time. really? oh,— that'll come in time. really? om-on. — that'll come in time. really? om-on. rime.- that'll come in time. really? oh, on. time. i'm waiting oh, come on. time. i'm waiting for that. that's exciting. well, let's what think the let's see what you think on the story we're discussing. peter martin thoughts, martin has said their thoughts, but your thoughts as but get your your thoughts in as well. at gb news. you can well. it's at gb news. you can tweet me there or why send well. it's at gb news. you can twe an ne there or why send well. it's at gb news. you can twe an email re or why send well. it's at gb news. you can twe an email gbviews@gbnews.uk. me an email gbviews@gbnews.uk. okay, nana. okay, you're with me. i'm nana. akua on news. we're live on akua on gb news. we're live on tv online and our digital radio. coming we'll be discussing coming up, we'll be discussing how should chinese how we should kerb chinese influence developing nations how we should kerb chinese infltafrica. developing nations how we should kerb chinese infltafrica. devrtuned; nations how we should kerb chinese

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good afternoon. it's just coming up to 20 minutes after four, 3:00 even. this is gb news on tv , online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. now we've got another story, but keep your thoughts coming on ulez. we were discussing that and think, well, did we agree that it was a silly idea? peter no, no, we agree on rnrnee— idea? peter no, no, we agree on some things, but— idea? peter no, no, we agree on some things, but not— 3“ peter no, no, we agree on some things, but not on that wor— some things, but not on that no on— some things, but not on that one. not on that.— some things, but not on that one. not on that. we agreed that some— one. not on that. we agreed that some pp...— one. not on that. we agreed that soon knon woe— one. not on that. we agreed that sadiq khan was putting himself up oe— sadiq khan was putting himself up on o— sadiq khan was putting himself up as a candidate— sadiq khan was putting himself up as a candidate based on his recom— up as a candidate based on his recon-r— up as a candidate based on his record.-i think— up as a candidate based on his record. i think democracy record. yeah, i think democracy is- _ record. yeah, i think democracy re- verm— record. yeah, i think democracyj is- yeah,-hopefully is good. yeah, well, hopefully they for women, but they won't vote for women, but then down people. then that's down to the people. let's see what we even got a candidate. have they at this eroge— candidate. have they at this more you— candidate. have they at this more you repen— (pr: : have they at this stage you laugh, but rtffl: : have they at this stage you laugh, but you t: : have they at this stage you laugh, but you know, it's stage you laugh, but you know, no gor— stage you laugh, but you know, no do ro— stage you laugh, but you know, we eor ro pe— stage you laugh, but you know, it's got to be better than sadiq nnon. — it's got to be better than sadiq nnon. seem— it's got to be better than sadiq khan. sadiq can't.— it's got to be better than sadiq khan. : r: it?" e md it's got to be better than sadiq khan. : r: it?“ e 3g khan. sadiq can't. right. let's see. some you been see. let's see some of you been sending your messages. let's sending in your messages. let's see you've saying. see what you've been saying. alan mcneely lovely. alan mcneely he's one of my great british he says british voices. he says a complete rip off the complete political rip off the chances that changes made in chances that the changes made in towns because is

towns and cities because this is not happening london, by not just happening in london, by the have destroyed the the way, have destroyed the ability freely the ability to travel freely in the country. are being country. all drivers are being singled fund madness singled out to fund the madness of few . oh, yes , we've got one of a few. oh, yes, we've got one on the african nations as well. but we'll do that one later. let's see. i've got roy here. he says that the fact that lots of people have now given up smoking more people have become obese. yeah, we go. that is to yeah, there we go. that is to your point there. and then your your point there. and then there's another one from there's another one here from mike. he says, i thought the idea mayor in idea was that the mayor in london in the interests london to work in the interests of city rather an of the city rather than an extreme environmental campaigner pursuing that london extreme environmental campaigner purs rejected. that london extreme environmental campaigner pursrejected. so that london extreme environmental campaigner purs rejected. so there it london extreme environmental campaigner purs rejected. so there we)ndon extreme environmental campaigner pursrejected. so there we go.in extreme environmental campaigner purs rejected. so there we go. so has rejected. so there we go. so that's the general consensus on that's the general consensus on that one. keep your thoughts coming as well as ever. gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. right? next up, gb views news. right? next up, david cameron. now he's u—turned on his criticisms of the cuts to foreign the former prime foreign aid. the former prime minister that minister says that he's now a realist . thank goodness for realist. thank goodness for that. it didn't come a moment too soon. when it comes to the issue. but he's called for global to invest more in global banks to invest more in developing is, developing countries, that is, to influence . so

to kerb china's influence. so joining me live is the former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards, and also news edwards, and also gb news contributor and former brexit mep, daubney. i'm going mep, martin daubney. i'm going to then. peter to start with you then. peter what do you think china are seem to be buying up swathes of africa for and it looks like and now i think the rest of the world are getting a bit jittery because africa has a lot of resources. well, david cameron romeo— resources. well, david cameron raised me— resources. well, david cameron raised aid spending— trt.rt;~;fr well, david cameron raised aid spending when his office:— raised aid spending when his office: one— raised aid spending when his office, and i— raised aid spending when his office, and i think he deserves neon— office, and i think he deserves mean for— office, and i think he deserves credit for that. _ office, and i think he deserves credit for that. but i'm afraid nee— credit for that. but i'm afraid he's something— credit for that. but i'm afraid he's something-a- credit for that. but i'm afraid he's something a discredited he's something of a discredited newe— figure now because of his premeee. — figure now because of his business. links- figure now because of his business. links and his time in office.— business. links and his time in office. r— business. links and his time in office. i think— business. links and his time in office. i think it's— business. links and his time in office. i think it's right to free— office. i think it's right to free e— office. i think it's right to flag a concern- office. i think it's right to flag a concern about china and neo— flag a concern about china and oreo memo— flag a concern about china and also russia based— flag a concern about china and also russia based hinckley rnweerrne— also russia based hinckley rnveerrne m— also russia based hinckley investing in infrastructure or copper— investing in infrastructure or capital projects— investing in infrastructure or capital projects in part of armen— capital projects in part of amoe- so— capital projects in part of africa. so they- capital projects in part of africa. so they have an economic way— africa. so they have an economic woy m— africa. so they have an economic way in ro— africa. so they have an economic way m o wnor— africa. so they have an economic way in to what might be a neweroprne— way in to what might be a developing or— way in to what might be a developing or struggling economy-ny- developing or struggling economy,-try exert economy, but then try and exert a economy, but then try and exert o porrrreor— economy, but then try and exert a political influence as well. and— a political influence as well. one we— a political influence as well. and we know,— a political influence as well. and we know, unfortunately, that the and we know, unfortunately, that me nneeron— and we know, unfortunately, that the russian leadership and the cnrneee— the russian leadership and the chinese leadership are not rowing— chinese leadership are not talking about— chinese leadership are not talking about the ordinary folk ine— talking about the ordinary folk , the governments don't , but the governments don't orwoye— , but the governments don't orwoye prey— , but the governments don't always play by— , but the governments don't always play by the rules of the ween— always play by the rules of the west, particularly— always play by the rules of the west, particularly around engagemen— west, particularly around engethink nt— west, particularly around engethink what china is doing so i think what china is doing is o—

so i think what china is doing is a source of— so i think what china is doing is a source of great concern. in — is a source of great concern. in nor— is a source of great concern. in nor ewe— is a source of great concern. i'm not sure david cameron is me— i'm not sure david cameron is me peer— i'm not sure david cameron is the best advocate— i'm not sure david cameron is the best advocate for this because— the best advocate for this because what _ the best advocate for this because what he's really saying is because what he's really saying in mm— because what he's really saying in me we— because what he's really saying is that we need— because what he's really saying is that we need to— because what he's really saying is that we need to work closer rogerner— is that we need to work closer rogerner wrrn— is that we need to work closer together with other countries. wren— together with other countries. view you — together with other countries. well you know,— together with other countries. well you know, he had all these puer— well you know, he had all these peer upe— well you know, he had all these peer npe wrrn— well you know, he had all these bust ups with the— well you know, he had all these bust ups with the eu before the reerenronm— bust ups with the eu before the referendum, and— bust ups with the eu before the referendum, and he's saying that eeeenrrouy— referendum, and he's saying that essentially global— referendum, and he's saying that essentially global problems need groper— essentially global problems need global solutions.— essentially global problems need global solutions. and that was iner— global solutions. and that was per mor— global solutions. and that was per mm woe— global solutions. and that was just that was exactly what was eere— just that was exactly what was emo—brown.- just that was exactly what was said - brown. and i just that was exactly what was said brown. and that said by gordon brown. and that woe- ano— said by gordon brown. and thati was-. and _cameron was correct. and david cameron epenr— was correct. and david cameron epenr-yeore- was correct. and david cameron spent years rubbishing spent about ten years rubbishing that spent about ten years rubbishing mar-nee— spent about ten years rubbishing that-he's woken- spent about ten years rubbishing that he's woken up to that point. so he's woken up to the that point. so he's woken up to rne-now— that point. so he's woken up to the-now-global- the idea now that global propreme— the idea now that global problems do— the idea now that global problems do require global. merr— problems do require global. mew-or— problems do require global. well,-of admitting. problems do require global. well,though of admitting problems do require global. well,though he's admitting problems do require global. well,though he's notiitting problems do require global. well,though he's not denying that, though he's not denying that, though he's not denying that kind of he's that he's he was kind of he's gone about he's changed his mind . but didn't we do this anyway ? . but didn't we do this anyway? i mean the british go in i mean didn't the british go in and take from africa and and take things from africa and other and exactly other countries and do exactly what chinese doing? so other countries and do exactly whajust chinese doing? so other countries and do exactly whajust wondering, doing? so other countries and do exactly whajust wondering, it'siing? so i'm just wondering, it's slightly but what slightly hypocritical, but what do martin well, do you think? martin well, several first of all, several points. first of all, in — several points. first of all, in groo— several points. first of all, i'm glad -cameron's. several points. first of all,- i'm glad -cameron's finally i'm glad that cameron's finally eon— i'm glad that cameron's finally pop of— i'm glad that cameron's finally pop of omen— i'm glad that cameron's finally sort of smelt the— i'm glad that cameron's finally sort of smelt the on the sort of smelt the coffee on the poor— sort of smelt the coffee on the poor-enorm— sort of smelt the coffee on the fact charity should fact that charity should begin at_conservative i fact that charity should begin. at_conservative voters at home. the conservative voters wowe— at home. the conservative voters worm-foreign— at home. the conservative voters would-foreign aid- at home. the conservative voters would foreign aid to be cut would love foreign aid to be cut one— would love foreign aid to be cut one-more— would love foreign aid to be cut and-more money- would love foreign aid to be cut and more money spent and see more money spent domestically— and see more money spent domestically madness. domestically as madness. for exempte— domestically as madness. for example, funding the example, we're funding the nigerian— example, we're funding the nigerian project or

nigerian space project or sending— nigerian space project or sending money to india , the sending money to india, the worm-e— sending money to india, the world's fastest— sending money to india, the world's fastest growing economy . en— world's fastest growing economy . on rne— world's fastest growing economy . on the subject— world's fastest growing economy . on the subject of— world's fastest growing economy . on the subject of china , . on the subject of china, rney-re— . on the subject of china, they're waking - . on the subject of china, they're waking up far too late to they're waking up far too late ro rnre. — they're waking up far too late to this. while— they're waking up far too late to this. while the west was oereep— to this. while the west was oereep or— to this. while the west was asleep at the— to this. while the west was asleep at the wheel, china has been— asleep at the wheel, china has been prey— asleep at the wheel, china has been busy taking— asleep at the wheel, china has been busy taking over nations wrrn— been busy taking over nations wrrn rne— been busy taking over nations with the resource— been busy taking over nations with the resource that it needs one— with the resource that it needs one rrperor— with the resource that it needs and liberal westerners need eopon— and liberal westerners need eoporr m— and liberal westerners need cobalt in congo.— and liberal westerners need cobalt in congo. £6 billion wonn— cobalt in congo. £6 billion worn or— cobalt in congo. £6 billion worth of infrastructure. so they rney— worth of infrastructure. so they rney rney— worth of infrastructure. so they they they command the supply of they they command the supply of me mrnerore— they they command the supply of the minerals we— they they command the supply of the minerals we need for porrenee— the minerals we need for batteries, for— the minerals we need for batteries, for iphones , for batteries, for iphones, for oompnrere.— batteries, for iphones, for computers. and every one that oomprorne— computers. and every one that complains about— computers. and every one that complains about that. also pays for complains about that. also pays or n— complains about that. also pays for n py— complains about that. also pays for pr py prying— complains about that. also pays for it by buying devices . onto for it by buying devices. onto rne— for it by buying devices. onto me nope— for it by buying devices. onto rne or— for it by buying devices. onto the issue of slavery. isn't it funny— the issue of slavery. isn't it funny now— the issue of slavery. isn't it funny how western liberals oeeeep— funny how western liberals obsess on the— funny how western liberals obsess on the empire and the proven— obsess on the empire and the erowery or— obsess on the empire and the open of ore— obsess on the empire and the slavery of old when right now young— slavery of old when right now young boys— slavery of old when right now young boys ore— slavery of old when right now young boys are digging cobalt out young boys are digging cobalt our of— young boys are digging cobalt our or me— young boys are digging cobalt out of the ground in congo for mor— out of the ground in congo for nor iner— out of the ground in congo for mm per ro— out of the ground in congo for mm per ro go— out of the ground in congo for that just to go into their rrnone— that just to go into their rrnone or— that just to go into their iphone or their new tesla every rnor— iphone or their new tesla every one that partakes_ iphone or their new tesla every one that partakes in this funds moeorn— one that partakes in this funds modern slavery— one that partakes in this funds modern slavery and they're enem— modern slavery and they're men on— modern slavery and they're silent on that. _ modern slavery and they're silent on that. they'd rather pong— silent on that. they'd rather pong on— silent on that. they'd rather bang on about— silent on that. they'd rather bang on about things. 300 years ago— bang on about things. 300 years ago m— bang on about things. 300 years ago in nrrrorn— bang on about things. 300 years ago in britain, while ignoring the ago in britain, while ignoring rne proprem— ago in britain, while ignoring the problem right now. but as

far the problem right now. but as for oe— the problem right now. but as far as china's— the problem right now. but as far as china's influence that war— far as china's influence that me none— far as china's influence that that horse has— far as china's influence that that horse has bolted, i find it rnrereerrng— that horse has bolted, i find it interesting as— that horse has bolted, i find it interesting as well because when i interesting as well because when r wee— interesting as well because when rwee reeerng— interesting as well because when i was reading the— interesting as well because when i was reading the piece a while ago— i was reading the piece a while ego m— i was reading the piece a while ego in me— i was reading the piece a while ago in the guardian with laura rreweryen— ago in the guardian with laura rreyeryen, going— ago in the guardian with laura trevelyan, going back to say or rew— trevelyan, going back to say or rew eponr— trevelyan, going back to say or talk about repatriations and giving— talk about repatriations and grwng—ro- talk about repatriations and. giving—to people giving money back to people from:— giving money back to people from-know:— giving money back to people from, know, from the from, you know, from the eonmnee— from, you know, from the countries that— from, you know, from the countries that are supposedly her countries that are supposedly ner remiy— countries that are supposedly her family had— countries that are supposedly her family had taken money from and her family had taken money from mg per— her family had taken money from mg per ereee— her family had taken money from and put slaves in. _ her family had taken money from and put slaves in. e and put slaves in. it just seems and put slaves in. it just seems a bit it just seems a bit ridiculous, really. when she probably sent the messages using her or whatever was her iphone or whatever it was and seem to be and yet people seem to be ignonng and yet people seem to be ignoring do think that ignoring that. do you think that there's of hypocrisy there's a bit of hypocrisy there? iwouldn't there's a bit of hypocrisy there? i wouldn't . i think that there? i wouldn't. i think that was laura trevelyan. - trtfi’ i wouldn't. i think that was laura trevelyan. was that was laura. yeah.— was laura trevelyan. was that was laura. yeah. i— was laura trevelyan. was that was laura. yeah. i wouldn't was laura. yeah. iwouldn't erngre— was laura. yeah. iwouldn't erngre oer— was laura. yeah. iwouldn't single out her— was laura. yeah. i wouldn't single out her particularly. no.— single out her particularly. wolrnere-e— single out her particularly. no,-there's-themj no, but there's lots of them that do but she did do it that do it. but she did do it and she write about it. so and she did write about it. so i'm pointing out because she i'm pointing her out because she did i believe she also wrote a check. so she's actually said mer— check. so she's actually said we ene— check. so she's actually said that she and— check. so she's actually said that she and her— tt so she's actually said that she and her family. yeah, rney— that she and her family. yeah, rney gewe— that she and her family. yeah, rney gewe roo— that she and her family. yeah, they gave 100 grand. but it's interesting that should be interesting that they should be bothering and be bothering to do that and be pointing when pointing that out when right now, know, are all now, you know, we are all partaking modern slavery by partaking in modern slavery by buying and all the, you buying iphones and all the, you know, the modern things that

we're right now. yeah. i we're using right now. yeah. i mean, i've never bought an imme— mean, i've never bought an- rrnone:—eeeepr. iphone, but i completely accept. we iphone, but i completely accept. we—ene- iphone, but i completely accept. ore—end wel we buy lots of things and we eon-r— we buy lots of things and we eon-r know— we buy lots of things and we don't know all— we buy lots of things and we don't know all the details of me— don't know all the details of me enppry— don't know all the details of the supply chain. and i suspect rner— the supply chain. and i suspect rner-r— the supply chain. and i suspect rner-r eon-r— the supply chain. and i suspect that-i don't buy— the supply chain. and i suspect that i don't buy from that and i don't buy from ameon— that and i don't buy from amazon, but— that and i don't buy from amazon, but looked into amazon, but if we looked into it, amazon, but if we looked into m ore— amazon, but if we looked into m ore of— amazon, but if we looked into it, lots of other— amazon, but if we looked into it, lots of other products we buy— it, lots of other products we pry-eeren- it, lots of other products we buy-detail, we'd. buy in more detail, we'd property— buy in more detail, we'd probably horrified about probably be horrified about wnere— probably be horrified about where-come- probably be horrified about where come from. where they all come from. i women-r— where they all come from. i wouldn't-so— where they all come from. i wouldn't so dismissive of wouldn't be so dismissive of- everyone's_martin everyone's motivations as martin wowe—rne- everyone's motivations as martin would._the left,. would. you know, i'm the left, our— would. you know, i'm the left, per-know:— would. you know, i'm the left, but-know, when - would. you know, i'm the left, but know, when was a but you know, when i was a erogeno— but you know, when i was a student,.spent_ but you know, when i was a student,.spent a- but you know, when i was a student, spent a lot of time student, i spent a lot of time reeerng— student, i spent a lot of time reeerng rnrnge— student, i spent a lot of time reading things slave reading things like slave narratives— reading things like slave- narratives-caribbean narratives from the caribbean ene— narratives from the caribbean end—r- narratives from the caribbeani end—r ronne and from america and i found rnem — and from america and i found them fascinating— and from america and i found them fascinating and absolutely nornryrng.—rr- them fascinating and absolutely horrifying._it out. horrifying. so i don't do it out of horrifying. so i don't do it out or-or— horrifying. so i don't do it out or-or roneon- horrifying. so i don't do it out of of london coffee of a kind of london coffee grinning:— of a kind of london coffee drinking, hand—wringing epproeen.— drinking, hand—wringing approach. because approach. i do it because some of approach. i do it because some or-rengnege— of the language in those narratives— of the language in those narratives 18th of the language in those. narratives-18th and narratives from the 18th and renn— narratives from the 18th and rern eenrnry— narratives from the 18th and 19th century is— narratives from the 18th and 19th century is seared on my emory— 19th century is seared on my memory-rere— 19th century is seared on my memory. let's talk about memory. but let's talk about wner—now.- memory. but let's talk about what—now. the. memory. but let's talk about. what—now. the word what we can do now. the word repererrone— what we can do now. the word repererrone rye— what we can do now. the word reparations i've concerned epon— reparations i've concerned - eponp—enyone reparations i've concerned - abotstudied_anyone reparations i've concerned abotstudied history, anyone reparations i've concerned abotstudied history, that anyone reparations i've concerned abotstudied history, that sumsie who studied history, that sums up rmegee— who studied history, that sums up rmegee or— who studied history, that sums up images of the— who studied history, that sums up images of the end of the me— up images of the end of the me wrong— up images of the end of the first world war. _ up images of the end of the first world war. germany hyperinflation _ first world war. germany hyperinflation and all the remote— hyperinflation and all the. terrible _followed. hyperinflation and all the i ter i ble_followed. hyperinflation and all the teri probably followed. hyperinflation and all the teri probably wouldn't.owed. hyperinflation and all the teri probably wouldn't use d. hyperinflation and all the teri probably wouldn't use the so i probably wouldn't use the worn— so i probably wouldn't use the word reparations,— so i probably wouldn't use the word reparations, i do think word reparations, but i do think it's word reparations, but i do think ire-mer— word reparations, but i do think it's-that britain- word reparations, but i do think it's that britain plays it's right that britain plays a rote— it's right that britain plays a role-essentially- role in essentially infrastructure investment, role in essentially— infrastructure investment, where it's infrastructure investment, where we been— infrastructure investment, where we been gerry— infrastructure investment, where it's been guilty of— infrastructure investment, where it's been guilty of very gnewone— it's been guilty of very grievous wrongs in the last 2 or

poo— grievous wrongs in the last 2 or pop ye — grievous wrongs in the last 2 or pop ye ner— grievous wrongs in the last 2 or 300 years. but i— grievous wrongs in the last 2 or 300 years. but i think that's rnrongn— 300 years. but i think that's through partnerships. i don't rnrnn— through partnerships. i don't mine were— through partnerships. i don't think that's through writing a meek:— think that's through writing a oneen—rne- think that's through writing a check,_the triplei check, particularly the triple repererrone— check, particularly the triple reparations where will reparations is like where will it i reparations is like where will rr-r meen— reparations is like where will rr-r meen-we- reparations is like where will it-i mean,.we aski reparations is like where will. it-i mean,.we ask for it end? i mean, do we ask for reparations from from the ancient. romans? what about the vikings? normans? ancient. romans? what about the vikings?they normans? ancient. romans? what about the vikings?they they normans? ancient. romans? what about the vikings?they they invaded. )rmans? ancient. romans? what about the vikings?they they invaded. theyis? i mean, they they invaded. they took the lives of many working class people forced them class people and forced them into scotland and wales. we into scotland and wales. do we ask where this stop? ask them, where does this stop? reparations is madness because it's check blank and it's a check that's blank and never ends . we have to deal with never ends. we have to deal with slavery today where it exists right now . but the liberals right now. but the liberals don't want to tackle that because the fact of the matter is shifts the narrative. the is it shifts the narrative. the most enslaved people the most enslaved people on the earth africa and in china earth are in africa and in china and in korea and it's not white people. who are those slave owners. therefore, there's owners. so therefore, there's a complete blind spot on the liberal left side of the argument. it just doesn't fit the script of white man bad. and that's what's happening. it's being completely and utterly swept carpet while swept under the carpet while they sit around on their iphones, tweeting being iphones, tweeting about being virtuous iphones that funded virtuous iphones that are funded by now so i think by slavery. now so i think nenrn-e— by slavery. now so i think martin's ranting— \rrt:rrrr so i think martin's ranting away, and i eon-r—

martin's ranting away, and i eon-r n— martin's ranting away, and i don't if that's— martin's ranting away, and i don't if that's directed as me as someone who— don't if that's directed as me as someone who i would describe myeerr— as someone who i would describe myeen ee— as someone who i would describe myself aslliberal. _ as someone who i would describe myself as liberal. but, you myself as a liberal. but, you know:— myself as a liberal. but, you know-ere— myself as a liberal. but, you know,-are things- myself as a liberal. but, you. know,-are things-agree know, there are things we agree on,_50_ know, there are things we agree on,_50 there-s- on, for example. so there's a real— on, for example. so there's a real risk— on, for example. so there's a real risk in— on, for example. so there's a real risk in a— on, for example. so there's a real risk in a supply chain of things— real risk in a supply chain of things like— real risk in a supply chain of things like iphones today , things like iphones today, there-s— things like iphones today, there-s a— things like iphones today, there's a risk— things like iphones today, there's a risk of hypocrisy for ononey— there's a risk of hypocrisy for anyone on the— there's a risk of hypocrisy for anyone on the left. and i've eno— anyone on the left. and i've one i— anyone on the left. and i've said i wouldn't— anyone on the left. and i've said i wouldn't use the word reparations,— said i wouldn't use the word reparations, perhaps for of reparations, perhaps for some of the reparations, perhaps for some of one reasone— reparations, perhaps for some of the reasons-that— reparations, perhaps for some of the reasons that martin has the reasons that that martin has one— the reasons that that martin has one-n— the reasons that that martin has one-n onene— the reasons that that martin has laid i think perhaps laid out. so i think perhaps nonin— laid out. so i think perhaps nonin mav— laid out. so i think perhaps martin may have gone into this oninnng— martin may have gone into this winking-were— martin may have gone into this thinking-were-to- martin may have gone into this thinking were to be on thinking we were going to be on opposite— thinking we were going to be on opposite-rm— thinking we were going to be on opposite-rm noo- thinking we were going to be on opposite - i'm not a - opposite sides. i'm not a puppet. i'm just saying, generally but generally speaking. okay. but but but a generally speaking. okay. but but but-a liberal.- generally speaking. okay. but but but-a liberal. i'm- g g okay. but but but a liberal. i'm on but but i'm a liberal. i'm on one— but but i'm a liberal. i'm on one ten— but but i'm a liberal. i'm on the left and— but but i'm a liberal. i'm on the left andido_ but but i'm a liberal. i'm on the left and do lots of things the left and i do lots of things onen— the left and i do lots of things non-non— the left and i do lots of things onoo-oon on— the left and i do lots of things that-part of that- the left and i do lots of things that part of that group. and that are part of that group. and onen— that are part of that group. and just—froml just because someone is from a needle— just because someone is from a middle background and middle class background and noes— middle class background and noes-in— middle class background and noes-in one- middle class background and lives-in the west. middle class background and lives in the west and lives in a city in the west and maybe— lives in a city in the west and maybe votes— lives in a city in the west and maybe votes for— lives in a city in the west and maybe votes for a— lives in a city in the west and maybe votes for a liberal or a ten— maybe votes for a liberal or a ten leaning— maybe votes for a liberal or a left leaning party— maybe votes for a liberal or a left leaning party doesn't automatically— left leaning party doesn't automatically mean that they're nyooenne. — automatically mean that they're hypocrite- n— automatically mean that they're hypocrite. i think— automatically mean that they're hypocrite. i think what martin's saying,— hypocrite. i think what martin's eoynngl— hypocrite. i think what martin's saying-n oo— hypocrite. i think what martin's saying, i do agree. ' ”oz; saying, and i do agree. are you saying— saying, and i do agree. are you saying inni— saying, and i do agree. are you saying that what are you saying? well what are you well i think. what are you saying? are you saying? saying? what are you saying? let's not talk about it as reparations.— let's not talk about it as reparations. actually reparations. let's actually do soneinine— reparations. let's actually do something-so- reparations. let's actually do something so that's reparations. let's actually do sonwriting so that's reparations. let's actually do sonwriting a so that's reparations. let's actually do sonwriting a check. so that's reparations. let's actually do sonwriting a check. that'st's not writing a check. that's oeinoiiy— not writing a check. that's actually investing countries actually investing in countries wnere— actually investing in countries nnene—gieoi- actually investing in countries. where—great wrong. where there's been great wrong. but where there's been great wrong. nun—iei-s- but as martin says, let's oeinoiiy— but as martin says, let's actually-show- but as martin says, let's actually show a lot more actually all show a lot more ennosiiy— actually all show a lot more curiosity about— actually all show a lot more curiosity about our

curiosity about where our oioineis— curiosity about where our products _from. - products come from. today i ii-s— products come from. today i is o— products come from. today i mean, it's a tiny,— products come from. today i mean, it's a tiny, tiny example linse— mean, it's a tiny, tiny example linsi one— mean, it's a tiny, tiny example .-just one person- mean, it's a tiny, tiny example . just one person in the . i'm just one person in the none.— . i'm just one person in the noni- i— . i'm just one person in the noni- i-iny- . i'm just one person in the world. i buy from amazon world. i don't buy from amazon ieeonse— world. i don't buy from amazon because in— world. i don't buy from amazon because i'm not— world. i don't buy from amazon because i'm not comfortable with a because i'm not comfortable with o ievei— because i'm not comfortable with a level-taxation _ because i'm not comfortable with a level taxation they pay, a level of taxation they pay, ini— a level of taxation they pay, but—realistici but i'm completely realistic inan— but i'm completely realistic n...,_,_ but i'm completely realistic. ones-lsoenoing but i'm completely realistic- that,-,-spending £10 that, you know, me spending £10 oni-n— that, you know, me spending £10 oni-n o— that, you know, me spending £10 on-in a british— that, you know, me spending £10 on-in a british high- on a book in a british high siieei— on a book in a british high siieei-goine- on a book in a british high street-going to- on a book in a british high street going to change street is not going to change ine— street is not going to change ine- — street is not going to change ine- okavi- street is not going to change the- okay, fair- street is not going to change. the- okay, fair enough. the world. okay, fair enough. but let's back to david but let's come back to david cameron then. is he being realistic in terms of cutting the and because he's the foreign aid and because he's talking cutting it talking about cutting it, but it sounds like he's really sounds like what he's really saying transfer it saying is let's transfer it instead giving it to these instead of giving it to these countries, let's put it into sort a big fund where we can sort of a big fund where we can then of all and beat then sort of all try and beat china. and what he's china. and that's what he's saying, it? he's basically saying, isn't it? he's basically asking— saying, isn't it? he's basically asking ion— saying, isn't it? he's basically asking for private— g c fl he's basically asking for private money nayoais. — asking for private money buyouts. asking asking for private money buyouts. - asking to buyouts. he's asking banks to ioan— buyouts. he's asking banks to ioan money— buyouts. he's asking banks to loan money china. so the loan money to china. so the way inan— loan money to china. so the way inai cnina— loan money to china. so the way that china-been— loan money to china. so the way that china-been so- that china has been so successful— that china has been so successful africa, it's like successful in africa, it's like saying— successful in africa, it's like saying-viii— successful in africa, it's like saying .will-the - successful in africa, it's like saying will the cobalt saying we will get the cobalt out saying we will get the cobalt one—nonna- saying we will get the cobalt- out_wound because out of your great wound because you-90t— out of your great wound because yon-goo ine— out of your great wound because you got the technology you haven't got the technology ana— you haven't got the technology and-give— you haven't got the technology and-give yon— you haven't got the technology and give you share of and we'll give you a share of ine— and we'll give you a share of one nake— and we'll give you a share of the take and— and we'll give you a share of the take and it— and we'll give you a share of the take and it won't cost you anyining.— the take and it won't cost you anything. meanwhile, we also the take and it won't cost you anyttakeover meanwhile, we also the take and it won't cost you anyttakeover your nwhile, we also the take and it won't cost you anyttakeover your countrywe also soft takeover your country niinoai— soft takeover your country niinoai a— soft takeover your country without a single shot being fired.— without a single shot being fired-chinese- without a single shot being. fired.-chinese-has fired. the chinese empire has succeeded— fired. the chinese empire has succeeded beyond of succeeded beyond the realms of oossiiiiiiy— succeeded beyond the realms of possiniiiiy .— succeeded beyond the realms of possibility . cameron wants the possibility. cameron wants the banks— possibility. cameron wants the banks io— possibility. cameron wants the banks to offer— possibility. cameron wants the banks to offer that money to the

to banks to offer that money to the io ine— banks to offer that money to the to the african— banks to offer that money to the to the african nations to take ioans— to the african nations to take ioans oni— to the african nations to take loans out against— to the african nations to take loans out against future eaninsg— loans out against future eaninsg i— loans out against future earnings. i think it's for the bias. — earnings. i think it's for the birds. china— earnings. i think it's for the birds. china are— earnings. i think it's for the birds. china are already there. inese— birds. china are already there. inese aeais— birds. china are already there. these deals have— birds. china are already there. these deals have been sealed, i inink— these deals have been sealed, i inink ineiiy— these deals have been sealed, i think briefly on— these deals have been sealed, i think briefly on that, martin naae— think briefly on that, martin made an— think briefly on that, martin made an interesting point. privatisation. _ made an interesting point. privatisationlwould- made an interesting point. privatisation. i would want assurance cameron assurance that david cameron doesn't personal doesn't have any personal economic motivation in that when he's arguing bigger role he's arguing for a bigger role for private banks in state investment. yeah, but you don't wani— investment. yeah, but you don't wane-onen— investment. yeah, but you don't nani-inen io— investment. yeah, but you don't want-them to be- yeah, but you don't want them to be involved want any of them to be involved in-i— want any of them to be involved in-i mean— want any of them to be involved in-i mean, that— want any of them to be involved in i mean, that seems to in that. i mean, that seems to be in that. i mean, that seems to ie ine— in that. i mean, that seems to ie one way— in that. i mean, that seems to ie one way ine— in that. i mean, that seems to be the way the cookie is eianiiing. — be the way the cookie is crumbling. well, let's have a quick— crumbling. well, let's have a gaiek-ai— crumbling. well, let's have a gaiek-ai nnai- crumbling. well, let's have a quick at what you've quick look at what you've been saying. — quick look at what you've been saying. _sone- quick look at what you've been saying-some more. saying. we've got some more sinn— saying. we've got some more sign-cokin- saying. we've got some more stuff-colin says- saying. we've got some more stuff colin says boris stuff on ulez. colin says boris snoaia—againl stuff on ulez. colin says boris. should—again and should stand for mayor again and kick-asiaaiiy- should stand for mayor again and kick-actually that- should stand for mayor again and kick actually that is kick khan out. actually that is a ooini. — kick khan out. actually that is a ooini. nonin— kick khan out. actually that is a point. would you vote for him if a point. would you vote for him i nons— a point. would you vote for him i eons neni— a point. would you vote for him if boris went for— a point. would you vote for him if boris went for mayor win? kean— if boris went for mayor win? yeah,.actually- if boris went for mayor win? yeah, actually for him. yeah, i'd actually vote for him. ocean.— yeah, i'd actually vote for him. actually-khan- yeah, i'd actually vote for him. actually.-khan is- yeah, i'd actually vote for him. actually. khan is ruining actually. sadiq khan is ruining ionion— actually. sadiq khan is ruining london—look,- actually. sadiq khan is ruining london. look, that's london. yes, boris, look, that's a—knnie— london. yes, boris, look, that's a—kinie says- london. yes, boris, look, that's a—kinie says in. london. yes, boris, look, that's a_arnie says it is. a good idea. arnie says it is ine— a good idea. arnie says it is one-leas— a good idea. arnie says it is inelnas. ii— a good idea. arnie says it is the..was. iflwas- a good idea. arnie says it is the. was. if was genuinely the. it was. if it was genuinely aioai— the. it was. if it was genuinely about-pollution,- the. it was. if it was genuinely about pollution, then nobody about air pollution, then nobody nonin— about air pollution, then nobody noaia-a— about air pollution, then nobody would-a problem.- about air pollution, then nobody would a problem. problem would have a problem. problem car would have a problem. problem ear-aiion— would have a problem. problem car-allow-wouldl would have a problem. problem. car-allow-would be car would allow inside. would be aiionea— car would allow inside. would be aiionea-iizs- car would allow inside. would be aiionea-iizs .- car would allow inside. would be allowed-m25 . it- allowed inside the m25. it snoaian-i— allowed inside the m25. it shouldn't be _ allowed inside the m25. it shouldn't be okay to drive into ionaon— shouldn't be okay to drive into london-polluting- shouldn't be okay to drive into london polluting car london in your polluting car insi— london in your polluting car jase-yon— london in your polluting car insi-yoa ean- london in your polluting car just you can afford to. just because you can afford to. kean— just because you can afford to. keanliney— just because you can afford to. yeah,.they were— just because you can afford to. yeah, they were genuine. but yeah, if they were genuine. but i yeah, if they were genuine. but i—iney— yeah, if they were genuine. but i—iney ae- yeah, if they were genuine. but i—iney iee- yeah, if they were genuine. but i they are, lee says i don't think they are, lee says in gieaien— i don't think they are, lee says in greater manchester are in greater manchester people are

inning— in greater manchester people are innning—iaioan- in greater manchester people are turning labour because turning away from labour because anny—sei— turning away from labour because anny—seiiuiiz- turning away from labour because anny—seiiuiiz i turning away from labour becausei andy—setiulez . we andy burnham is set on ulez. we do andy burnham is set on ulez. we ao-nani— andy burnham is set on ulez. we ao-nani ii.— andy burnham is set on ulez. we ao-nani in any— andy burnham is set on ulez. we do want it. andy burnham do not want it. andy burnham nenae— do not want it. andy burnham beware because— do not want it. andy burnham beware because he's a sure winner. ne-s— beware because he's a sure winner. he's going to go for inan— winner. he's going to go for inai. inen— winner. he's going to go for that. then he— winner. he's going to go for that. then he may well lose. anny—in- that. then he may well lose.l anny—in nana andy you're with me. i'm nana akua.— andy you're with me. i'm nana akua-en— andy you're with me. i'm nana akua.-gb news- andy you're with me. i'm nana akua.-gb news on- andy you're with me. i'm nana akua. gb news on tv, akua. this is gb news on tv, oniine— akua. this is gb news on tv, oniine on— akua. this is gb news on tv, oniine on a— akua. this is gb news on tv, online on a digital radio. still to online on a digital radio. still io sonne— online on a digital radio. still to come, we'll— online on a digital radio. still to come, we'll continue with our neaa— to come, we'll continue with our head _following- to come, we'll continue with our head _following the - head to head following the aisianiion— head to head following the disruption grand national disruption of the grand national yesieniay— yesterday, the death of three noses— yesterday, the death of three horses .aintree. _ yesterday, the death of three horses aintree. asking horses at aintree. i'm asking snoaia— horses at aintree. i'm asking should—horse- horses at aintree. i'm asking. should—horse racing should be banned horse racing niiz— should be banned horse racing iiiiz ine— should be banned horse racing ulez the thoughts of my oaneiiisi— ulez the thoughts of my panellist gb— ulez the thoughts of my panellist gb news contributor ana— panellist gb news contributor and former— panellist gb news contributor and former mep— panellist gb news contributor and former mep martin daubney and former mep martin daubney ana aiso— and former mep martin daubney and also former— and former mep martin daubney and also former editor of the iaioariisi— and also former editor of the| labourlist—but labourlist peter edwards. but rinsi—iaiesii first, let's get your latest news headlines . c 15:5 news headlines. it's 331. i'm arron armstrong in the gb newsroom the health secretary has urged the royal college of nursing to reconsider their planned industrial action at the end of the month in a letter to the unions leader this morning, steve barclay said the recent pay steve barclay said the recent pay offer to rcn members was fair and reasonable and their decision to hold a 48 hour strike will put patients at

risk. the chs general secretary pat cullen, though, has criticised the government for refusing to budge on its offer . refusing to budge on its offer. plans to build new smart motorways are being cancelled because of concerns over safety, cost and low public confidence. the government has confirmed 14 planned projects have been scrapped and existing stretches will be made safer. campaigners are demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart motorways . the british motorways. the british horseracing authority has robustly condemned protesters who delayed the grand national as reckless . 118 people were as reckless. 118 people were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday. delaying the start of the race at activists from animal rising are calling for jump racing to be banned forjump racing to be banned after three horses died at aintree . and they've warned aintree. and they've warned further protests will take place this summer. the bucha added it will be painstakingly analysing the race to determine what caused the deaths . more than caused the deaths. more than 6000 members of the armed forces will take part in the king's

coronation next month. the largest military ceremonial operation in 70 years. thousands of veterans and nhs workers have also been invited to watch the historic event from a special grandstand in front of buckingham palace. the culture secretary says it's a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . tv online dab plus radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to nana . it's back to nana. thank you, aaron. stay tuned neeaase— thank you, aaron. stay tuned ieeaase ai— thank you, aaron. stay tuned because at 4:00,— thank you, aaron. stay tuned because at 4:00, it's- m" stay tuned because at 4:00, it's my nonoiogae— because at 4:00, it's my monologue and i'll be talking aboar— monologue and i'll be talking aioai snan— monologue and i'll be talking about smart motorways and how the about smart motorways and how ine nine— about smart motorways and how the prime minister— about smart motorways and how the prime minister has made the rigni— the prime minister has made the rignr decision.— the prime minister has made the right decision. then i'll be asking,— right decision. then i'll be asking, should— right decision. then i'll be asking, should we ban horse jump raeinge— asking, should we ban horse jump racing a— asking, should we ban horse jump racing? a-horses_ asking, should we ban horse jump racing? a horses died at racing? a three horses died at ine— racing? a three horses died at ine resiivai— racing? a three horses died at the festival yesterday after kninai— the festival yesterday after animal-caused- the festival yesterday after animal caused disruption animal rising caused disruption to animal rising caused disruption io ine— animal rising caused disruption io ine soari— animal rising caused disruption io ine sian or— animal rising caused disruption to the start of the— animal rising caused disruption to the start of the race. stay annea—

welcome back. this is gb news on tv, welcome back. this is gb news on iv, oniine— welcome back. this is gb news on iv, oniine ana— welcome back. this is gb news on tv, online and on— welcome back. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. in — tv, online and on digital radio. in nana— tv, online and on digital radio. in nana akua— tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua .— tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . joining tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua .joining me tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . joining me today i'm nana akua. joining me today is , or— i'm nana akua. joining me today is , or soarse— i'm nana akua. joining me today is , of course, peter— i'm nana akua. joining me today is , of course, peter edwards. is, of course, peter edwards. kna— is, of course, peter edwards. ana rye— is, of course, peter edwards. and i've forgotten your name, nanin. — and i've forgotten your name, martin. martin— and i've forgotten your name, martin. martin daubney. and i've forgotten your name, martin. martin daubney . right. martin. martin daubney. right. weir,— martin. martin daubney. right. wen, rer-s— martin. martin daubney. right. well, let's move— martin. martin daubney. right. well, let's move on because aninai— well, let's move on because animal activists— well, let's move on because animal activists ,_ well, let's move on because animal activists , animal rights animal activists, animal rights asiivisis— animal activists, animal rights activists managed to briefly aeiay— activists managed to briefly aeiay ine— activists managed to briefly delay the start— activists managed to briefly delay the start of the grand kaiionai— delay the start of the grand national yesterday. they aiienoiea— national yesterday. they attempted to _ national yesterday. they attempted to glue themselves to jumps— attempted to glue themselves to genes io— attempted to glue themselves to gangs ro oroiesi— attempted to glue themselves to jumps to protest about the ireaineni— jumps to protest about the treatment of— jumps to protest about the treatment of the horses. now, anis— treatment of the horses. now, one y...— treatment of the horses. now, this year, there _ treatment of the horses. now, this year, there were three noises— this year, there were three horses that— this year, there were three horses that died with the proiesiers— horses that died with the protesters pledging to end rasing— protesters pledging to end rasing as— protesters pledging to end rasing as as— protesters pledging to end racing as as a— protesters pledging to end racing as as a sport due to the nign— racing as as a sport due to the nign sasnaiiy— racing as as a sport due to the high casualty rate.— racing as as a sport due to the high casualty rate. so should we nan— high casualty rate. so should we nan nonse— high casualty rate. so should we ban horse racing— high casualty rate. so should we ban horse racing ?_ high casualty rate. so should we ban horse racing ? let's see what ban horse racing? let's see what reser— ban horse racing? let's see what reier ininks— ban horse racing? let's see what peter thinks of— ban horse racing? let's see what peter thinks of that— ban horse racing? let's see what peter thinks of that . i'm going peter thinks of that. i'm going to peter thinks of that. i'm going io soari— peter thinks of that. i'm going io sian niin— peter thinks of that. i'm going to start with you,— peter thinks of that. i'm going to start with you, peter. should we to start with you, peter. should ire-rasing— to start with you, peter. should ire-rasing e - to start with you, peter. should we-racing ? erg. to start with you, peter. should- we-racing ? erg there's we ban horse racing? erg there's no public appetite banning no public appetite for banning it, jump racing is cruel it, i think jump racing is cruel and i care about animal rights, so i think animal rights protesters should always act within the law. but three horses killed over the grand national week. i think if you had other

sports festivals where you kind of count the dead of the participants afterwards, there'd be a greater sense of outrage. i find there's a there's a lack of interest in the fact animals are being killed. and i'll draw you one other quick parallel. do you remember kurt zouma, the footballer, kick the cat who kicked a cat and very foolishly. well, foolish and well, it was foolish and unpleasant even more unpleasant to do even more foolishly a video about it, foolishly made a video about it, which was then leaked. there was outcry to kick one outcry over that. so to kick one animal for fun is obviously very cruel and unpleasant. but this is a whole sport and sadly industry that is based on hitting horses repeatedly with a big stick. and of course i respect rural cultures and of course i am mindful of all the jobs and economic activity that goes with it. but it is a sport based on hitting animals repeatedly until they do what you want . repeatedly until they do what you want. martin, i agree repeatedly until they do what you want . martin, i agree with you want. martin, i agree with you— you want. martin, i agree with you in— you want. martin, i agree with you in fan,— you want. martin, i agree with you in fact, we— martin, i agree with you in fact, we shouldn't be banning— you in fact, we shouldn't be banning things. _ you in fact, we shouldn't be banning things. we like banning things. we don't like the banning things. we don't like ine-sraeiiy— banning things. we don't like the cruelty issue. i the animal cruelty issue. i mink,— the animal cruelty issue. i mink-.- the animal cruelty issue. i inink,-, is- the animal cruelty issue. i inink,-, is a- the animal cruelty issue. i. think,-, is a growing think, however, is a growing concern , as we've seen in the concern, as we've seen in the pass— concern, as we've seen in the egg .— concern, as we've seen in the oasi , inas— concern, as we've seen in the pass , inai ine— concern, as we've seen in the past , that the grand national

past, that the grand national nave— past, that the grand national have attempted— past, that the grand national have attempted to make the course safer— have attempted to make the course safer for— have attempted to make the course safer for by losing some of course safer for by losing some or ine— course safer for by losing some or one nigger— course safer for by losing some of the bigger water jumps, for example-— of the bigger water jumps, for ekanoie. kna— of the bigger water jumps, for example. and you know, with with the example. and you know, with with are same— example. and you know, with with are son— example. and you know, with with the same sort of— example. and you know, with with the same sort of notion of ganniing— the same sort of notion of ganiiing in— the same sort of notion of gambling in football, i think inai-s— gambling in football, i think was keen— gambling in football, i think that's been cut— gambling in football, i think that's been cut back yesterday. kna— that's been cut back yesterday. one i— that's been cut back yesterday. one i inink— that's been cut back yesterday. and i think that's— that's been cut back yesterday. and i think that's been done iesase— and i think that's been done because there's— and i think that's been done because there's a sense of if we ion-i— because there's a sense of if we ion-i ao— because there's a sense of if we don't do something— because there's a sense of if we don't do something about it, onen— don't do something about it, inen ire-ii— don't do something about it, then we'll be— don't do something about it, then we'll be forced into it by ine— then we'll be forced into it by the government.— then we'll be forced into it by the government. and i think with win— the government. and i think with win ainiree— the government. and i think with win kiniree, i— the government. and i think with with aintree, i think they will try with aintree, i think they will iry io — with aintree, i think they will in no make — with aintree, i think they will try to make the— with aintree, i think they will try to make the course safer to appease— try to make the course safer to appease critics. _ try to make the course safer to appease critics. but then horse rasing— appease critics. but then horse rasing is— appease critics. but then horse rasing is a— appease critics. but then horse racing is a hugely— appease critics. but then horse racing is a hugely important pari— racing is a hugely important pan or— racing is a hugely important pan or ine— racing is a hugely important part of the rural— racing is a hugely important part of the rural economy. the ganniing— part of the rural economy. the gambling industry, like the oiynoiss— gambling industry, like the oiynoiss .— gambling industry, like the oiynoiss , is— gambling industry, like the oiynoiss , is a— gambling industry, like the olympics , is a massive cash cow olympics, is a massive cash cow for olympics, is a massive cash cow ior ine— olympics, is a massive cash cow for are for— olympics, is a massive cash cow for the for the _ olympics, is a massive cash cow for the for the treasury . 600 for the for the treasury. 600 niiiion— for the for the treasury. 600 million people— for the for the treasury. 600 million people watch this worldwide _ million people watch this worldwide it's— million people watch this worldwide it's multi billion nonna— worldwide it's multi billion gonna eveni— worldwide it's multi billion pound event .— worldwide it's multi billion pound event . we can't just go pound event. we can't just go banning— pound event. we can't just go nanning inings— pound event. we can't just go banning things we don't like. i arso— banning things we don't like. i aiso, or— banning things we don't like. i also, of course,— banning things we don't like. i also, of course, don't agree niin— also, of course, don't agree niin ine— also, of course, don't agree with the modus_ also, of course, don't agree with the modus operandi of the oroiesiers— with the modus operandi of the oroiesiers .— with the modus operandi of the protesters . it's— with the modus operandi of the protesters . it's like extinction protesters. it's like extinction keieiiion— protesters. it's like extinction rebellion for— protesters. it's like extinction rebellion for horse racing. it's reskiess— rebellion for horse racing. it's reckless, endanger men. and i surprised,— reckless, endanger men. and i was surprised, actually, that iney— was surprised, actually, that iney weeni— was surprised, actually, that they weren't in— was surprised, actually, that they weren't in danger from the gamers— they weren't in danger from the onnierslsan— they weren't in danger from the punters,.can you— they weren't in danger from the punters, can you imagine. punters, as can you imagine. vinai— punters, as can you imagine. wnai ine— punters, as can you imagine. what the punters would think if all what the punters would think if air-ioa— what the punters would think if air-ioi-oai- what the punters would think ifi all-lot-out-and all those lot went out there and sionnea—

all those lot went out there and sroooea-rase.— all those lot went out there and stopped-race. i'm- all those lot went out there and stopped race. i'm surprised stopped the race. i'm surprised inas— stopped the race. i'm surprised inai-a— stopped the race. i'm surprised inai-a-nair- stopped the race. i'm surprised that-a-half-irishl that quite a few half cut irish guys— that quite a few half cut irish gays—onen- that quite a few half cut irish gays—inen on- that quite a few half cut irish guys them off the guys didn't drag them off the soarse— ini- guys didn't drag them off the course_, but i- guys didn't drag them off the. course _, but i think course themselves, but i think iney— course themselves, but i think iney-iney— course themselves, but i think iney-iney niii— course themselves, but i think they they will have to bow they will. they will have to bow to they will. they will have to bow io pinkis— they will. they will have to bow to public pressure— they will. they will have to bow to public pressure and i think do to public pressure and i think ao—aioai- to public pressure and i think ao—aioai ii.- to public pressure and i think do_about it. at- to public pressure and i think do about it. at the do something about it. at the ena— do something about it. at the end or— do something about it. at the end of yesterday's race, it was very— end of yesterday's race, it was very noticeable— end of yesterday's race, it was very noticeable that were very noticeable that they were pouring— very noticeable that they were. pouring—naier pouring copious amounts of water overas— they- pouring copious amounts of water overas— they - over the horses as they were. t hey— over the horses as they were. they — over the horses as they were. they were having— over the horses as they were. they were having very public they were having a very public duty— they were having a very public duty-and— they were having a very public duty-and |_ they were having a very public duty-and | think- they were having a very public duty and i think they duty of care. and i think they need— duty of care. and i think they need ee— duty of care. and i think they need to show— duty of care. and i think they need to show they really care about— need to show they really care about-neme- need to show they really care about rights before about animal rights before something— something is done to stop them. mm— something is done to stop them. we yeah— something is done to stop them. we veeh .— something is done to stop them. we veeh . e— something is done to stop them. mm yeah , it seems— something is done to stop them. mm yeah , it seems to— something is done to stop them. mm yeah , it seems to me- something is done to stop them. mm “411?" c c mm yeah, it seems to me it does actually seem slightly cruel. i don't really like to see animals being hit like that. don't being hit like that. i don't like jumps. mean, you like the jumps. i mean, you know, you went to school, know, when you went to school, when you were at school and you did hurdling race. yeah. and did the hurdling race. yeah. and i hurdles just in i hated those hurdles just in case bash knee. that case you bash your knee. that really so i imagine really hurts. so i imagine there's animal taking there's a big animal jump taking these really these big jumps. i don't really know what the what the reasoning is why people think that is as to why people think that this not cruel to the this is not cruel to the animals. well, people like it is, it.7 really it's is, isn't it.7 it's really it's cruel animals. i mean, cruel to the animals. i mean, i feel it is. well, i think it's eee-t — feel it is. well, i think it's eee-t i— feel it is. well, i think it's cruel. i mean,— feel it is. well, i think it's cruel. i mean, it's- ”in; c well, i think it's cruel. i mean, it's not going to be banned.— cruel. i mean, it's not going to be banned. and— cruel. i mean, it's not going to be banned. and i— cruel. i mean, it's not going to be banned. and i can't see a maje— be banned. and i can't see a major political— be banned. and i can't see a major political party by which i

labour— major political party by which i mean labour or— major political party by which i mean labour or tories pledging to mean labour or tories pledging eee-n.— mean labour or tories pledging to-it-ll— mean labour or tories pledging to-it..l think— mean labour or tories pledging to-it..l think it's- mean labour or tories pledging to it. i think it's going to ban it. so i think it's going to ban it. so i think it's going to carry— to ban it. so i think it's going to carry-fer— to ban it. so i think it's going to carry-for many- to ban it. so i think it's going to carry for many years. but to carry on for many years. but there-e— to carry on for many years. but there-e e— to carry on for many years. but there's a parallel— to carry on for many years. but there's a parallel with the farming— there's a parallel with the farming industry and again, i have— farming industry and again, i have-respect— farming industry and again, i have-respect for- have huge respect for agriculture- have huge respect for agriculture have have huge respect for- agriculture-have friends agriculture and i have friends whe— agriculture and i have friends wee—bee- agriculture and i have friendsi who—butlhaven't who are farmers, but i haven't eaten—yeere- who are farmers, but i haven't eaten—yeere andl who are farmers, but i haven't- eaten _years and when eaten meat for 20 years and when somelthe— eaten meat for 20 years and when some .the farming _ eaten meat for 20 years and when some the farming community some in the farming community say-have— some in the farming community say-have excellent- some in the farming community say have excellent animal say we have excellent animal standards,— say we have excellent animal standards, organic standards, you know, organic feed—eee,- standards, you know, organic. feed—else, that's feed and everything else, that's up-eeim. — feed and everything else, that's up-eeim. nee— feed and everything else, that's up point. the animal is up to the point. the animal is then— up to the point. the animal is then-eur— up to the point. the animal is then-our pleasure. up to the point. the animal is then our pleasure and then killed for our pleasure and stuck— then killed for our pleasure and stuck-en— then killed for our pleasure and stuck-an oven.— then killed for our pleasure and stuck an oven. well, it's not stuck in an oven. well, it's not really— stuck in an oven. well, it's not reeuy e— stuck in an oven. well, it's not really a pleasure— stuck in an oven. well, it's not really a pleasure to eat. i if— really a pleasure to eat. i mean, if god— really a pleasure to eat. i mean, if god didn't- really a pleasure to eat. i mean, if god didn't want us to eat they'd be eat them, then they'd be poisonous. peter, i'm poisonous. surely peter, i'm a man i would not say that man of go. i would not say that eee— man of go. i would not say that god hee— man of go. i would not say that god has a— man of go. i would not say that god has a view,— “pm“ gr» i would not say that god has a view, particularly ’h?“ gr» i would not say that god has a view, particularly on eating— god has a view, particularly on eating meat.— god has a view, particularly on eating meat. and— god has a view, particularly on eating meat. and there are some cultures— eating meat. and there are some euttutee tn— eating meat. and there are some cultures in the— eating meat. and there are some cultures in the east— eating meat. and there are some cultures in the east that are very— cultures in the east that are very teveut— cultures in the east that are very devout don't eat meat very devout that don't eat meat at very devout that don't eat meat et-eut— very devout that don't eat meat et-eut-net— very devout that don't eat meat at-but-not for- very devout that don't eat meat at-but-not for me- very devout that don't eat meat at but not for me to at all. but it's not for me to give— at all. but it's not for me to gtye tettgteue— at all. but it's not for me to give religious lessons, don't give religious lessons, i don't tenet.— give religious lessons, i don'ti tttnt—stytng give religious lessons, i don't- tttnt—stytng we think. yeah, nobody's saying we should horses. we're not should eat the horses. we're not french. well, some people eat horses. we don't even know we're eettne—tttnge- horses. we don't even know we're eating—things, buti eating them for many things, but we're not french. _ eating them for many things, but we're not french. �*" we're not french. but i think if we're not french. but i think if we stripping sports away we start stripping sports away because then because they're dangerous, then we'd no boxing. we'd have we'd have no boxing. we'd have no motorcycling, we'd have no formula no, formula one. we'd have maybe no, no heading of the footballs. and i that's the thing. it's i think that's the thing. it's like accept instead

like we've got to accept instead of is the path. it's of danger is the path. it's cruel. like danger. we're tetttne— cruel. like danger. we're talking dangerous to the teeteye, — talking dangerous to the teeteye, tut— talking dangerous to the jockeys, but danger part jockeys, but danger is a part of the—spotte- - jockeys, but danger is a part of the—spotte- andl the enjoyment of sports. and unfortunately, _ the enjoyment of sports. and unfortunately, need to unfortunately, we need to minimise to animals minimise the danger to animals and all. but i'm afraid and people all. but i'm afraid it part of the equation it is a part of the equation i think. but what about the enjoyment though? because to me that-ute— enjoyment though? because to me ttet-ttte-et— enjoyment though? because to me that-like .of cruelty. - that looks like sort of cruelty. it that looks like sort of cruelty. ttletuet— that looks like sort of cruelty. itlcruel when _ that looks like sort of cruelty. it cruel when animals die. it is cruel when animals die. of it is cruel when animals die. of course— it is cruel when animals die. of ceuteetle. — it is cruel when animals die. of courselis. it's— it is cruel when animals die. of courselis. it's terrible- of course it is. it's terrible when humans die, whipping of of course it is. it's terrible whe horse, ans die, whipping of of course it is. it's terrible whe horse, the die, whipping of of course it is. it's terrible whehorse, the really whipping of of course it is. it's terrible whe horse, the really high ipping of the horse, the really high jumps. you know, if they if they teet— jumps. you know, if they if they test-teet— jumps. you know, if they if they test-tees ent— jumps. you know, if they if they bash-legs and get- you know, if they if they bash legs and get lame, bash their legs and get lame, then— bash their legs and get lame, then they— bash their legs and get lame, then they have— bash their legs and get lame, then they have to be put down. i tt-e— then they have to be put down. i tt-e te— then they have to be put down. i mean, it's to-it_ then they have to be put down. i mean, it's to-it does- then they have to be put down. i mean, it's to it does seem mean, it's to me it does seem a ttttte— mean, it's to me it does seem a ttttte ttt— mean, it's to me it does seem a little bit cruel. _ mean, it's to me it does seem a little bit cruel. i— mean, it's to me it does seem a little bit cruel. i get- mean, it's to me it does seem a little bit cruel. gs. little bit cruel. i get that. tut— little bit cruel. i get that. but but i think that that is an accepted part of the history of the sport. how can you get around that? i you you around that? i mean, you you make go faster by. have make horse go faster by. have a quick final word.— make horse go faster by. have a quick final word. martin's- git have a quick final word. martin's point it's quick final word. martin's point tt-e eteut— quick final word. martin's point it's about consent— quick final word. martin's point it's about consent because a boxer— it's about consent because a boxer ent— it's about consent because a boxer and ljockey- it's about consent because a boxer and jockey a rugby boxer and a jockey and a rugby pteyet— boxer and a jockey and a rugby pteyet-eeneent- boxer and a jockey and a rugby player consent. but player give their consent. but tee— player give their consent. but tee et— player give their consent. but horse, of course,— player give their consent. but horse, of course, cannot say yes,— horse, of course, cannot say yee, .— horse, of course, cannot say yee, t agree— horse, of course, cannot say yes, i agree-take- horse, of course, cannot say yes, i agree take part in yes, i agree to take part in the— yes, i agree to take part in ttte eee— yes, i agree to take part in ttte — yes, i agree to take part in this race. so— yes, i agree to take part in this race. : this race. so what we need is speaking horses. speaking and talking horses. we've out . let's we've sorted that one out. let's see what you're saying then, because a lot of people have been touch as ever. been getting in touch as ever. your are always

your thoughts are always welcome. gbviews@gbnews.uk. your thoughts are always welcome. always ews@gbnews.uk. your thoughts are always welcome. always tweetsbnews.uk. your thoughts are always welcome. always tweet usiews.uk. your thoughts are always welcome. always tweet us atvs.uk. your thoughts are always welcome. always tweet us at gb k. or you can always tweet us at gb news. let's have look at the news. let's have a look at the gb news inbox and see what exciting things you've been exciting things that you've been saying to horse saying with regard to horse racing. richard says that this is sara. sara says the horse racing pros say that the horses want to run in races, but if that's true, why do they need a whip? let's a ban the whip and see if they still run. erg that is a good point. i wonder if that would work. let's see. richard said jump racing is out, dated and cruel. it is a sport run by the rich and funded by the it's a great the poor punter. it's a great name, says. i think it should be banned. i hadn't really thought about it before until i saw the animal rights people defend the horses. yesterday i actually went out of my way, found their facebook page and clicked the link to ban it, to ban it, jump racing. i think this the race is barbaric . yeah. so a lot of barbaric. yeah. so a lot of people are saying that they think it's barbaric and actually that is animal rebellion that what is it animal rebellion brought their to brought their attention to it, which always interesting when which is always interesting when that happens. do one

that happens. and i'll do one more here. this is from alison says shame they don't stand up for deaths. no for covid excess deaths. no offence horses, but human offence to horses, but human lives more important , offence to horses, but human lives more important, i don't know what that bit says. i'm going to stop there. i think you've taken me down a black hole or a hand grenade. either one. i don't fancy going. then maria says nana, why don't these idiots protest outside idiots go protest outside a non—stunned slaughterhouse ? yes. non—stunned slaughterhouse? yes. great show. thank you very much . mar—a—lago. that's a better one to end on. so joining me live, you've just tuned in. it's just coming up 45 minutes just coming up to 45 minutes after 3:00. reform uk will move on now reform uk leader on now because reform uk leader richard has called for richard tice has called for a ban teaching gender issues in ban on teaching gender issues in schools. now the suggestion takes inspiration from republican governor of florida, ron desantis , who banned such ron desantis, who banned such lessons and it comes after prime minister rishi sunak ordered a review into sex education to ensure that lessons don't contain inappropriate or contested content. so let's see what the former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards, thinks is that in gb news presenter and contributor martin daubney martin i'm going to start you one.

start with you on this one. yeah, done a lot of start with you on this one. . yeah,-done a lot of talking yeah, i've done a lot of talking in yeah, i've done a lot of talking tn eeneete. — yeah, i've done a lot of talking in schools.imade_ yeah, i've done a lot of talking in schools.imade a- yeah, i've done a lot of talking in schools. made a documentary in schools. i made a documentary eettet— in schools. i made a documentary eettetltne— in schools. i made a documentary called-the-for_ in schools. i made a documentary called the for channel called on the brain for channel 4 i called on the brain for channel e-t enete— called on the brain for channel e-t enete te— called on the brain for channel 4-i spoke to about- 4 in 2013. i spoke to about enooo— 4 in 2013. i spoke to about 45,000 british _ 4 in 2013. i spoke to about- 45,000 british _about 45,000 british teenagers about the—addiction. - 45,000 british teenagers about the—addiction. so. the dangers of addiction. so i knew— the dangers of addiction. so i knew wnet— the dangers of addiction. so i know what goes— the dangers of addiction. so i know what goes on in schools. ant— know what goes on in schools. ant rye— know what goes on in schools. ant t-ve een— know what goes on in schools. and i've seen it— know what goes on in schools. and i've seen it change. i saw it and i've seen it change. i saw tt enenge— and i've seen it change. i saw tt enenee tn— and i've seen it change. i saw tt enenge tn ny— and i've seen it change. i saw it change in my few years . it change in my few years. aettvtete— it change in my few years. activists became embedded entettete— activists became embedded outsiders, extracurricular teene— outsiders, extracurricular lessons from _ outsiders, extracurricular lessons from pressure groups , lessons from pressure groups, tren— lessons from pressure groups, nen eettvtet— lessons from pressure groups, from activist groups were getttng— from activist groups were getting invited into schools and imbibing— getting invited into schools and imbibing gender— getting invited into schools and imbibing gender ideology into yutnentte— imbibing gender ideology into vulnerable, confused hormonal teenegete— vulnerable, confused hormonal teenegete .— vulnerable, confused hormonal teenagers . and— vulnerable, confused hormonal teenagers . and lo and behold, teenagers. and lo and behold, we've seen an explosion in transgenderism_ we've seen an explosion in transgenderism in schools. it's eenetntne— transgenderism in schools. it's something that's— transgenderism in schools. it's something that's become fashionable. _ something that's become fashionable. it's something tnet-e— fashionable. it's something that's contagious in a sense. ant— that's contagious in a sense. ant tn— that's contagious in a sense. and in america— that's contagious in a sense. and in america ,_ that's contagious in a sense. and in america , they've rightly and in america, they've rightly ttnt— and in america, they've rightly ttnt et— and in america, they've rightly kind of called _ and in america, they've rightly kind of called time on this. and tnet— kind of called time on this. and tnet we— kind of called time on this. and that was driven _ kind of called time on this. and that was driven by— kind of called time on this. and that was driven by by parent power— that was driven by by parent power outrage— that was driven by by parent power outrage ,_ that was driven by by parent power outrage , parents going to power outrage, parents going to tent— power outrage, parents going to tent et— power outrage, parents going to board of governors meeting, eeytne— board of governors meeting, eeytne swit— board of governors meeting, saying stop teaching my child . saying stop teaching my child. tnete— saying stop teaching my child. tnete ete— saying stop teaching my child. tnete az— saying stop teaching my child. there are 72 genders. there's a man:— there are 72 genders. there's a tnete-e— there are 72 genders. there's a tnete-e e— there are 72 genders. there's a man, there's a woman's biology tteeteey— man, there's a woman's biology over ideology. and— man, there's a woman's biology over ideology. and what we have tn— over ideology. and what we have now in britain— over ideology. and what we have now in britain is— over ideology. and what we have now in britain is a— over ideology. and what we have now in britain is a continued et—

now in britain is a continued version of that,— now in britain is a continued version of that, where education is version of that, where education te twnet— version of that, where education te tntnet tnte— version of that, where education is turned into indoctrination ent— is turned into indoctrination ent reente— is turned into indoctrination and parents often don't know wnet— and parents often don't know wnet tney-te— and parents often don't know what they're children are being twent— what they're children are being tenent ent— what they're children are being tenent ent tn— what they're children are being taught and in wales, for exempte— taught and in wales, for example, teenage boys are ettewet— example, teenage boys are ettewet te— example, teenage boys are allowed to transition without the allowed to transition without tne reente— allowed to transition without the parents even knowing. teettye— the parents even knowing. really? yeah,— the parents even knowing. really? yeah, that's true. in netee— really? yeah, that's true. in wetee ent— really? yeah, that's true. in wales and that— really? yeah, that's true. in wales and that could come to nntetn— wales and that could come to entetn .— wales and that could come to britain . there's— wales and that could come to britain . there's a— wales and that could come to britain . there's a transgender britain. there's a transgender went— britain. there's a transgender world workshop— britain. there's a transgender world workshop kit which is now in world workshop kit which is now tn nntetn— world workshop kit which is now in britain being— world workshop kit which is now in britain being piloted with a wttn— in britain being piloted with a wttn e— in britain being piloted with a wttn e tew— in britain being piloted with a with a view to— in britain being piloted with a with a view to a— in britain being piloted with a with a view to a national tettent— with a view to a national rollout and— with a view to a national rollout and if— with a view to a national rollout and if parents don't wate— rollout and if parents don't wake up— rollout and if parents don't wake en te— rollout and if parents don't wake up to this,- rollout and if parents don't wake up to this, this is going to te— wake up to this, this is going to te nett— wake up to this, this is going to te pen et— wake up to this, this is going to be part of the— wake up to this, this is going to be part of the curriculum. ant— to be part of the curriculum. ant .— to be part of the curriculum. ant . tntnt— to be part of the curriculum. and i think we're— to be part of the curriculum. and i think we're going to see tote— and i think we're going to see tete et— and i think we're going to see lots of confused— and i think we're going to see lots of confused and damaged young— lots of confused and damaged young pewte— lots of confused and damaged young people who would have gone on young people who would have gone en te— young people who would have gone en te lperfecfly_ young people who would have gone on to perfectly happy, gay on to be perfectly happy, gay reente— on to be perfectly happy, gay peerte-ete— on to be perfectly happy, gay people are going down the people who are going down the tente— people who are going down the route-transition— people who are going down the route transition hormones and route of transition hormones and maybe— route of transition hormones and maybe-engen— route of transition hormones and maybe surgery. and it's maybe even surgery. and it's eenetne— maybe even surgery. and it's eenetne, .— maybe even surgery. and it's causing, i think,— maybe even surgery. and it's causing, i think, a mental neettn— causing, i think, a mental health time— causing, i think, a mental health time bomb. and i totally agree — health time bomb. and i totally agree -ttee— health time bomb. and i totally agree.-tice has- health time bomb. and i totally agree. tice has got the agree. richard tice has got the rtgnt— agree. richard tice has got the rtgnt-tnte— agree. richard tice has got the rtgnt-tnte-ta- agree. richard tice has got the right-this-to be. right idea. this needs to be tnrewn— right idea. this needs to be tnrewn-at— right idea. this needs to be thrown of british schools. thrown out of british schools. i thrown out of british schools. r tttnt— thrown out of british schools. rtntnt perhaps— thrown out of british schools. i think perhaps with- thrown out of british schools. i think perhaps with this- i think perhaps with this education, if they're to education, if they're going to do mean, i don't to do this, i mean, i don't want to see it in schools. it should come out. not happy with it, come out. i'm not happy with it, but they are going to do but if they are going to do this, then they should show the

kids happens. do kids what happens. if you do transition. yeah, kind of transition. yeah, the kind of medications have to transition. yeah, the kind of mediron ons have to transition. yeah, the kind of mediron taking have to transition. yeah, the kind of mediron taking becauseiave to carry on taking because obviously you're going to be funding pharma show you funding big pharma and show you how would devolve if how your life would devolve if you're going to get involved in this. are going this. because if you are going through the transition, i have met interesting people met some very interesting people who me have who have told me how they have been their how their been their lives, how their lives been destroyed by lives have been destroyed by all of but, of this gender ideology. but, peter, thoughts? well, it's peter, your thoughts? well, it's often a very heated— ” fling “037 well, it's often a very heated debate, ” “titg “57 well, it's often a very heated debate, and tnat-e— often a very heated debate, and tnat-e wny— often a very heated debate, and that's whyikind_ often a very heated debate, and that's whyikind of— often a very heated debate, and that's why kind of want to try that's why i kind of want to try ant— that's why i kind of want to try ant eneat— that's why i kind of want to try ant eneatla— that's why i kind of want to try and speak a reasonable way. and speak in a reasonable way. so and speak in a reasonable way. sa-r-net— and speak in a reasonable way. sa-r-net etart— and speak in a reasonable way. so-just start with- and speak in a reasonable way. so just start with some so let's just start with some taetee— so let's just start with some taeteelt-t— so let's just start with some basics..|'d say- so let's just start with some basics. i'd say there will be basics. so i'd say there will be eane-tnat- basics. so i'd say there will bej some _that-going basics. so i'd say there will be. some _that-going to some teenagers that are going to be some teenagers that are going to te-t— some teenagers that are going to te-t tntnt— some teenagers that are going to te-t tntntiean- some teenagers that are going to be-i think-can all- be trans. i think we can all agree— be trans. i think we can all agree an— be trans. i think we can all agree an-t— be trans. i think we can all agree on-i think- be trans. i think we can all agree on i think we can agree on that. i think we can all agree on that. i think we can at agree— agree on that. i think we can all agree parental all agree on parental transparency idea transparency to me, the idea tnat— transparency to me, the idea that-doesn't- transparency to me, the idea that doesn't know that that a parent doesn't know that tnetr— that a parent doesn't know that tnetr enttt— that a parent doesn't know that their child is— that a parent doesn't know that their child is identifying in a tttterent— their child is identifying in a different gender is completely tnarrrarrtate— different gender is completelyj inappropriate._to inappropriate. schools have to be inappropriate. schools have to te—teeaneei inappropriate. schools have to. te—teeanee ae be 100% transparent because as it's be 100% transparent because as rte-a— be 100% transparent because as tt-e-a atte— be 100% transparent because as it's-a life changing- it's literally a life changing enatee. — it's literally a life changing choice. _thirdly. it's literally a life changing choice. _thirdly ,l choice. and then thirdly, attnangn— choice. and then thirdly, although don't although we don't don't enrrentty— although we don't don't currently have this in the law , currently have this in the law, t-n — currently have this in the law, t-n aetnatty— currently have this in the law, i'm actually quite concerned attent— i'm actually quite concerned about medical— i'm actually quite concerned about medical treatments for reente— about medical treatments for ww“! anter— about medical treatments for people under the age of 18. i tntnt— people under the age of 18. i tntnt wnen— people under the age of 18. i think when you're 18, it's tatatty— think when you're 18, it's totally different. you're independent, you can make your

teetetan— independent, you can make your teetetan. t— independent, you can make your own decision. i think these are tne— own decision. i think these are tne tntnge— own decision. i think these are the things that— own decision. i think these are the things that perhaps are at the things that perhaps are at the forefront— the things that perhaps are at the forefront of— the things that perhaps are at the forefront of my mind, and i wanttn-t—l wouldn't necessarily i think. aaatttn— wouldn't necessarily i think. taattttn ee— wouldn't necessarily i think. martin use word martin use the word indoctrinated. i i haven't been indoctrinated. i i haven't been tn a— indoctrinated. i i haven't been tn a eeeantary— indoctrinated. i i haven't been in a secondary school for a hell of in a secondary school for a hell at a— in a secondary school for a hell at a tang— in a secondary school for a hell at a tang tne— in a secondary school for a hell of a long time. so— in a secondary school for a hell of a long time. so i— in a secondary school for a hell of a long time. so i i'm ettgntty— of a long time. so i i'm slightly uncomfortable with that want. — slightly uncomfortable with that want. lean-t— slightly uncomfortable with that word. idon't think— slightly uncomfortable with that word. don't think is word. i don't think is indoctrination. but also i nawen-t— indoctrination. but also i haven't made— indoctrination. but also i haven't made documentary. i haven't made a documentary. i nawen-t— haven't made a documentary. i haven't—talking. haven't been around talking to tate— haven't been around talking to tote—nat— haven't been around talking to tote—nut t— haven't been around talking to lots—but i think- lots of schools. but i think y-e— lots of schools. but i think ye gat— lots of schools. but i think ye get ta— lots of schools. but i think you've got to allow parents the tne— you've got to allow parents the ttne ant— you've got to allow parents the ttne ant ta— you've got to allow parents the time and to space— you've got to allow parents the time and to space talk their time and to space talk to their entttren— time and to space talk to their children about— time and to space talk to their children about basically the meet—ane- children about basically the. most—one could most difficult thing one could tatt— most difficult thing one could tatt ta— most difficult thing one could ever talk to them about. you most difficult thing one could ever trit'sto them about. you most difficult thing one could ever trit'sto tmoreibout. you most difficult thing one could ever trit'sto tmore complexi most difficult thing one could ever trit'sto tmore complex than know, it's far more complex than ateenat— know, it's far more complex than alcohol-anything— know, it's far more complex than alcohol anything that alcohol or anything else that you— alcohol or anything else that yet ntgnt— alcohol or anything else that you might tough you might have tough conversations with your kids atant. —gat| conversations with your kidsi atant. —gat ta about. but you've also got to attaw— about. but you've also got to allow-children- about. but you've also got to allow-children to- about. but you've also got to allow children to be allow your children to be entttren— allow your children to be entttren .— allow your children to be children .-then- allow your children to be- children .-then-small children. and then the small pretentan— children. and then the small proportion that— children. and then the small proportion that are questioning tnetr— proportion that are questioning tnetr genter— proportion that are questioning their gender need a supportive ennent— their gender need a supportive environment, but— their gender need a supportive environment, but also a flexible ennent— environment, but also a flexible environment. so— environment, but also a flexible environment. so that could mean a genter— environment. so that could mean a genter enange— environment. so that could mean a gender change or— environment. so that could mean a gender change or it could mean no enange. — a gender change or it could mean no enange. tat.— a gender change or it could mean no change. but, you— a gender change or it could mean no change. but, you know, well, listen, when i was young, i wanted to be like i wanted to be a used to try to go to a man. i used to try to go to the standing up, not the loo standing up, not understanding things weren't understanding why things weren't going me because going to work out for me because i an older brother so i was i had an older brother so i was called a tomboy and i got over

it. i went through that, oh, well, you know, but i got over it. if i'd had people it. now, if i'd had people talking about, oh, well, talking to me about, oh, well, maybe are a maybe you maybe you are a boy, maybe you want i don't know want this, maybe i don't know whether would not have been whether i would not have been persuaded. think i may whether i would not have been perslhave. think i may whether i would not have been perslhave found think i may whether i would not have been perslhave found myselfi may whether i would not have been perslhave found myself inlay whether i would not have been perslhave found myself in the well have found myself in the trans category because i'd be thinking, maybe am. thinking, oh, well, maybe i am. yeah. and people's behaviour are very— yeah. and people's behaviour are very-tar— yeah. and people's behaviour are very-tar exantte- yeah. and people's behaviour are very for example, you very important for example, you knew,— very important for example, you. know,_masculine know, you get very mad masculine yet get,— know, you get very mad masculine yet get, yan— know, you get very mad masculine women, you get, you know, quite eart— women, you get, you know, quite eat at— women, you get, you know, quite eat at taten— women, you get, you know, quite sort of butch women who may go on sort of butch women who may go anlte— sort of butch women who may go anlte terteetty— sort of butch women who may go on be perfectly happy, on to be perfectly happy, wonderful— on to be perfectly happy, wonderful very wonderful lesbians. you get very ettentnate— wonderful lesbians. you get very effeminate_to. wonderful lesbians. you get veryi effeminate_to be effeminate men who go on to be wentertntty— effeminate men who go on to be wentertntty-gay- effeminate men who go on to be wonderfully gay men or wonderfully happy, gay men or etratgtt— wonderfully happy, gay men or straight. precisely. straight. either way. precisely. tnt— straight. either way. precisely. tat—at— straight. either way. precisely. tat—at tne- straight. either way. precisely.| but—of the matter but but the fact of the matter is, but but the fact of the matter teltney— but but the fact of the matter teltney-tetng- but but the fact of the matter is, they being identified is, if they are being identified by is, if they are being identified ty—eenaatel is, if they are being identifiedi by_schools and by activists within schools and oh, by activists within schools and tan-yen— by activists within schools and an-yan eantt— by activists within schools and oh,-you could be- by activists within schools and oh, you could be the wrong oh, well, you could be the wrong genter— oh, well, you could be the wrong genter ant— oh, well, you could be the wrong gender and there's— oh, well, you could be the wrong gender and there's a huge crossover-with- gender and there's a huge crossover with autism, crossover as well with autism, wttn — crossover as well with autism, wttn attra— crossover as well with autism, with adhd, asperger's , with adhd, with asperger's, tnere-e— with adhd, with asperger's, tnere-e a— with adhd, with asperger's, there's a massive crossover. rte— there's a massive crossover. tt-e a— there's a massive crossover. tt-e a very— there's a massive crossover. it's a very complex issue, rtanttng— it's a very complex issue, planting ideas— it's a very complex issue, planting ideas of being special, tetng— planting ideas of being special, tetng nntgne— planting ideas of being special, tetng nntgne .— planting ideas of being special, being unique , being rewarded, being unique, being rewarded, tetng— being unique, being rewarded, tetng paetttwe— being unique, being rewarded, being positive, because that's wnat— being positive, because that's wnat nattene— being positive, because that's what happens in— being positive, because that's what happens in schools. i know my toye— what happens in schools. i know my boys going— what happens in schools. i know my boys going through this at eenaat— my boys going through this at eenaat tn— my boys going through this at eenaat tn ny— my boys going through this at school in my in— my boys going through this at school in my in my son's ttrtntng— school in my in my son's birthing grow- school in my in my son's birthing group 13 years ago now

, every— birthing group 13 years ago now , every etngte— birthing group 13 years ago now , every single one— birthing group 13 years ago now , every single one want to meet tnaee— , every single one want to meet tnaee parente— , every single one want to meet those parents now,— , every single one want to meet those parents now, every single at— those parents now, every single at tnaee— those parents now, every single one of those parents has got a tranegenter— one of those parents has got a transgender child— one of those parents has got a transgender child in their entttren-e— transgender child in their children's classroom. now, you cant— children's classroom. now, you eentt eay— children's classroom. now, you eentt eay tnat— children's classroom. now, you could say that we're allowing tnen — could say that we're allowing tnen ta— could say that we're allowing them to come— could say that we're allowing them to come out . or you could them to come out. or you could area— them to come out. or you could atee eay— them to come out. or you could atee eay were— them to come out. or you could also say we're planting an tteatagy— also say we're planting an tteatagy-tt-e- also say we're planting an ideology it's catching and ideology and it's catching and it's ideology and it's catching and tt-e erreattng— ideology and it's catching and tt-e erreattng .— ideology and it's catching and it's spreading. i'm camp it's spreading. i'm in the camp tnat— it's spreading. i'm in the camp tnat tt-e— it's spreading. i'm in the camp that it's-latter. - it's spreading. i'm in the camp that it's latter, acgcu that it's the latter. well, tetan— that it's the latter. well, listen, we've— that it's the latter. well, listen, we've got couple of listen, we've got a couple of messages in you and miranda. messages for in you and miranda. miranda james, she says that martin absolutely martin dalby is absolutely right. it's totally outrageous. what's schools. what's taking place in schools. and this includes crt critical race theory . i'm with you on race theory. i'm with you on that. that a nonsense that that. that is a nonsense that sends children home, telling their that they are their parents that they are racists. matter the protest. racists. no matter the protest. a parent makes. nope. the child says you're racist because you're white. it's all very sinister and deeply worrying . sinister and deeply worrying. please ask martin to continue his she carry on, his work, she says. carry on, please. you're doing please. doing what you're doing absolutely. what's david absolutely. and what's david saying ? no, i didn't know that. saying? no, i didn't know that. he's asking me something about the revival of something the beatles. we're not talking about that. what are you talking about? david? david anyway, that. what are you talking about no. vid? david anyway, that. what are you talking about no. so? david anyway, that. what are you talking about no. so whatid anyway, that. what are you talking about no. so what do tnyway, that. what are you talking about no. so what do you ay, that. what are you talking about no. so what do you think? sorry. no. so what do you think? i wanted to ask your thoughts then on the drag story

then on the drag queen story hours. those things, because those are also seeping into sort of the education system, which i don't quite understand why. but what's view this ? yeah, what's your view on this? yeah, as i understand it, drag- ” . “lift“ 57 yeah, as i understand it, drag queens nave— as i understand it, drag queens nave-tnt— as i understand it, drag queens have into secondary have gone into secondary eenaate— have gone into secondary eeneate—e | have gone into secondary- schools,_? yeah. t0 schools, is that right? yeah. t0 tert— schools, is that right? yeah. to tell stories? well,— schools, is that right? yeah. to tell stories? well, i'm- schools, is that right? t/tiu?“ 7 well, i'm not sure tell stories? well, i'm not sure tnere-e— tell stories? well, i'm not sure there's anything _ 7 well, i'm not sure there's anything inherently wrang— there's anything inherently wrang wttn— there's anything inherently wrong with that. i mean, if you go wrong with that. i mean, if you gela— wrong with that. i mean, if you gala rantentne— wrong with that. i mean, if you go a pantomime, kids do, go to a pantomime, as kids do, tnen— go to a pantomime, as kids do, then-involves— go to a pantomime, as kids do, then-involves an- then that involves an historically- then that involves an historically lots of men treeetng— historically lots of men treeetng nt— historically lots of men dressing up as women. and, you knew— dressing up as women. and, you knew .— dressing up as women. and, you knew , a— dressing up as women. and, you knew , a trag— dressing up as women. and, you know , a drag queen is not know, a drag queen is not antenata— know, a drag queen is not automatic hinckley giving a play or automatic hinckley giving a play ar a teen— automatic hinckley giving a play teen tnat— automatic hinckley giving a play or a poem that has— automatic hinckley giving a play or a poem that has sexual content.— or a poem that has sexual content. they— or a poem that has sexual content. they can be talking atant— content. they can be talking atant att— content. they can be talking about all sorts— content. they can be talking about all sorts of things, just atte— about all sorts of things, just ttte tn— about all sorts of things, just ttte tn a— about all sorts of things, just like in a pantomime, a man treee— like in a pantomime, a man dresses a woman- like in a pantomime, a man dresses a woman and talks about all dresses a woman and talks about at earte— dresses a woman and talks about at earte at— dresses a woman and talks about all sorts of things— dresses a woman and talks about all sorts of things that have no eeat— all sorts of things that have no sexual content— all sorts of things that have no sexual content at— all sorts of things that have no sexual content at all. so again, all sexual content at all. so again, at tneee— sexual content at all. so again, all these things— sexual content at all. so again, all these things caught up all these things get caught up in all these things get caught up tnlenttnre— all these things get caught up in lculture war. _ all these things get caught up in culture war. and view is in a culture war. and my view is tnat— in a culture war. and my view is tnat-gat— in a culture war. and my view is tnat-gat ta— in a culture war. and my view is tnat-gat talant- in a culture war. and my view is that got to and find that we've got to try and find consensus where— that we've got to try and find consensus where we can and what i consensus where we can and what t tan-t— consensus where we can and what t ean-t eee— consensus where we can and what t ean-t tne— consensus where we can and what i can't see the point— consensus where we can and what i can't see the point of that, tntngn— i can't see the point of that, tntngn t— i can't see the point of that, though i don't— i can't see the point of that, though i don't understand why a treeeet— though i don't understand why a man dressed in— though i don't understand why a man dressed in drag, you know, entert— man dressed in drag, you know, enentt te— man dressed in drag, you know, should be talking— man dressed in drag, you know, should be talking to children. i should be talking to children. t tan-t— should be talking to children. t tan-t t— should be talking to children. t tan-t t ten-t— should be talking to children. i don't i don't think— should be talking to children.

i don't i don't think there's a place for that in school. and some of them who were going actually had illicit content on their media, their on their social media, which right. if i was which is. that's right. if i was going a school, which i used going to a school, which i used to to lecturing schools, to go to lecturing schools, i have a check. if i had those have a dbs check. if i had those things on my social media, i know i probably wouldn't be. i would that a separate would say that's that a separate issue, because of issue, though, because some of the queens were doing the drag queens who were doing this kind of content this had that kind of content and they were going into schools. martin think schools. martin i think it's quite got no quite simply, i've got no problem queens. i've problem with drag queens. i've seen i've seen them in in t: ?g : i've seen i've seen them in in new gr,— seen i've seen them in in new tart, tn— seen i've seen them in in new tart, tn sytney,— seen i've seen them in in new york, in sydney, in— seen i've seen them in in new york, in sydney, in london. tantaette— york, in sydney, in london. tantaette t— york, in sydney, in london. fantastic i also— york, in sydney, in london. fantastic i also quite quite atte— fantastic i also quite quite ttte gatng— fantastic i also quite quite like going strip clubs every like going to strip clubs every new-tnen. — like going to strip clubs every new-tnen. ta— like going to strip clubs every now then. do know. now and then. do you know. rtgnt. — now and then. do you know. rtgnt. tteten— now and then. do you know. right. listen, and, and those now and then. do you know. rigiappropriate nd, and those now and then. do you know. rigiappropriate for and those now and then. do you know. rigiappropriate for overthose now and then. do you know. rigiappropriate for over 18.;e now and then. do you know. rigiappropriate for over 18. and are appropriate for over 18. and wne—wna- are appropriate for over 18. andj wna—wna wne who would invite who who who tntnte— who would invite who who who tntnte-a— who would invite who who who tntnte-a gett— who would invite who who who thinks a good idea get thinks it's a good idea to get trag— thinks it's a good idea to get trag geee— thinks it's a good idea to get drag queens into— thinks it's a good idea to get drag queens into a school would tnwtte—tnta- drag queens into a school would invite—intolschooll invite lap dancers into a school they— invite lap dancers into a school tney-teeanee- invite lap dancers into a school they-because it's- invite lap dancers into a school they because it's an they wouldn't because it's an atntt— they wouldn't because it's an adult-belongs- they wouldn't because it's an adult-belongs in. adult thing that belongs in an atntt— adult thing that belongs in an atntt eetae— adult thing that belongs in an adult space. it's— adult thing that belongs in an adult space. it's about adult space. it's not about tetng— adult space. it's not about being homophobic. not about being homophobic. it's not about tetng—rte— being homophobic. it's not about being—it's about- being transphobic. it's about eaytng— being transphobic. it's about saying-children- being transphobic. it's about saying children be children. being transphobic. it's about sayiithat's children be children. being transphobic. it's about sayiithat's the dren be children. being transphobic. it's about sayiithat's the point; children. being transphobic. it's about sayiithat's the point. andldren. being transphobic. it's about sayiithat's the point. and it'sn. and that's the point. and it's nat— and that's the point. and it's not tnet— and that's the point. and it's not just always— and that's the point. and it's not just always the same as rantantne— not just always the same as pantomime there are videos pantomime arnie there are videos going— pantomime arnie there are videos gatng—ewente- pantomime arnie there are videos gatng—ewente tn- going of drag queen events in rate.— going of drag queen events in pubs-lone— going of drag queen events in pubs-lone at— going of drag queen events in pubs..one of the- going of drag queen events in pubs. one of the honour oak pubs. as one of the honour oak i attentet— pubs. as one of the honour oak i attended-protests— pubs. as one of the honour oak i attended protests of that attended the protests of that ant— attended the protests of that ant tt-e— attended the protests of that and it's blokes—

attended the protests of that and it's blokes fishnet and it's blokes in fishnet etaettnge— and it's blokes in fishnet. stockings—out stockings with their bits out ant— stockings with their bits out ant-atratt— stockings with their bits out and-afraid it— stockings with their bits out and afraid it crosses the and i'm afraid it crosses the ttrtntn— and i'm afraid it crosses the tntteen at— and i'm afraid it crosses the rubicon of what's acceptable and i rubicon of what's acceptable and t—tntnt- i have a problem with i think it's i have a problem with i think tt-e a— i have a problem with i think tt-e a term— i have a problem with i think it's a form of— i have a problem with i think it's a form of grooming. it's graantng— it's a form of grooming. it's graantng yanng— it's a form of grooming. it's grooming young minds into into atntt— grooming young minds into into adult lifestyles— grooming young minds into into adult lifestyles too soon. ' “t: adult lifestyles too soon. and you— adult lifestyles too soon. and you knew.— adult lifestyles too soon. and you knew. tt— adult lifestyles too soon. and you knew. tt te— adult lifestyles too soon. and you know, it is and- adult lifestyles too soon. and you know, it is and it's interesting, peter, because ian said. mould sent said. ian. ian mould has sent a message saying, can you ask message in saying, can you ask peter why it is never women dressing as going dressing up as men going into school ? yeah, yeah, that's a school? yeah, yeah, that's a good point. yeah, i'm not sure why— good point. yeah, i'm not sure wny tnat-e— good point. yeah, i'm not sure wny tnat-e a— good point. yeah, i'm not sure wny tnat-e a — good point. yeah, i'm not sure why that's a no. i'll— g: yeah, i'm not sure why that's a no. i'll ask you a gneettan— why that's a no. i'll ask you a gneettan tar— why that's a no. i'll ask you a question for me,— why that's a no. i'll ask you a question for me, but. intricc question for me, but. well, he aetet— question for me, but. well, he aetet nne— question for me, but. well, he aetet we to— question for me, but. well, he asked me to ask you. i don't know why he's you to ask. know why he's asked you to ask. i don't know. i mean, i'm asking you anyway. my knowledge of drag greene— you anyway. my knowledge of drag geee gatng— you anyway. my knowledge of drag queens going .schools- you anyway. my knowledge of drag queens going-schools is- queens going into schools is pretty—rete- queens going into schools is pretty—tet-e gal queens going into schools is. pretty—let's go back pretty much zero. let's go back to—sometmngl pretty much zero. let's go backi to—sometmng l pretty much zero. let's go back. to_something i do to the pantomime. something i do know— to the pantomime. something i do know cross—dressing know about this cross—dressing both— know about this cross—dressing both ways— know about this cross—dressing both ways in— know about this cross—dressing both ways in a— know about this cross—dressing both ways in a pantomime that's different,— both ways in a pantomime that's different—gel different, you're paying to go to—vou-ve- different, you're paying to go. to _you've chosen different, you're paying to go- to _you've chosen to to a pantomime. you've chosen to do kids. if kids are in do kids. if the kids are in school, may that school, you may not know that this is happening. and this is the problem with all this indoctrination the indoctrination within the schools. the schools. and i agree with the word that using. you're word that you're using. you're using when we're not using especially when we're not being about what's going being told about what's going on. you're on. i'm a parent. you're a parent. yeah. yeah. and a parent. yeah. yeah. and you're a parent. that's we all agree

parent. that's why we all agree on transparent.— parent. that's why we all agree on transparent. yeah.— 33232; that's why we all agree on transparent. yeah. whatever 33:2“ that's why we all agree on tr.on parent. yeah. whatever 33:2“; that's why we all agree on tr.on in'ent. yeah. whatever 33:2“; that's why we all agree on tr.on in schools.�*|. whatever 3:3“2; that's why we all agree on tr.on in schools. i whatever 3:3“2; that's why we all agree on tr.on in schools. i justitever 3:3“2; that's why we all agree on tr.on in schools. i just think goes on in schools. i just think that— goes on in schools. i just think that there-s— goes on in schools. i just think that there's this— goes on in schools. i just think that there's this blurring of me— that there's this blurring of the boundaries— that there's this blurring of the boundaries and it's to the boundaries and it's back to the boundaries and it's back to aha-ahe— the boundaries and it's back to the-the gender— the boundaries and it's back to the the gender ideology. the to the gender ideology. amie— the to the gender ideology. amie wa— the to the gender ideology. arnie it's like,— the to the gender ideology. arnie it's like, here- the to the gender ideology. arnie it's like, here are- arnie it's like, here are alternative lifestyles which are perfectly but perfectly healthy, great. but why year olds need why do four year olds need to know about drag know about about about drag queens? year olds queens? why do four year olds need to be taught about masturbation? because that's masturbation? oh, because that's what's happening. it's in there in and it's and in the curriculums and it's and it's shrouded in secrecy. it's being shrouded in secrecy. if ask, they're often if parents ask, they're often kept at arm's this is kept at arm's length. this is happening. parents have a happening. and parents have a right know what's on. right to know what's going on. i can see you're frowning about my comment about the masturbation that's it's that's happening in wales. it's part curriculum. um, look part of the curriculum. um, look at stuff that's going on in at the stuff that's going on in scotland i know friends of scotland now. i know friends of mine, girls coming mine, 12 year old girls coming home school traumatised home from school traumatised because told about because they've been told about extreme they extreme sexual acts which they now think something that's now think is something that's expected damaging expected of them. we're damaging young exposing young minds by exposing them to too much too soon. that's what i think. i totally with think. i totally agree with that.— think. i totally agree with that-you— think. i totally agree with that..you think- i totally agree with that. you think you've got that. do you think you've got about— that. do you think you've got about-seconds. - that. do you think you've got. about. seconds. _clearly about ten seconds. what clearly no about ten seconds. what clearlyi no_entertainment no form of sexual entertainment shama— no form of sexual entertainment should—aa- no form of sexual entertainment should—ta a- no form of sexual entertainment should _to a child. no form of sexual entertainment should to a child in should be provided to a child in a school? — should be provided to a child in a school? ithink— should be provided to a child in a school? ithink we- should be provided to a child in a school? “

really, that sexual acts would be taught to children. well, let's a quick look be taught to children. well,- let's-a quick look-what let's have a quick look at what you-vs— let's have a quick look at what was seen— let's have a quick look at what you've been-about- let's have a quick look at what you've been about jump you've been saying about jump hass— you've been saying about jump horse rasing— you've been saying about jump horse racing professionals say that— horse racing professionals say that horses— horse racing professionals say that horses want— horse racing professionals say that horses want to run in baa— that horses want to run in races, but do— that horses want to run in races, but do they need a whip? lea-s— races, but do they need a whip? leas-whip— races, but do they need a whip? leas-whip ana- races, but do they need a whip? let's-whip and see- races, but do they need a whip? let's whip and see if let's ban the whip and see if they— let's ban the whip and see if they-ran.— let's ban the whip and see if they-runlthink- let's ban the whip and see if they run. think we've they still run. i think we've read— they still run. i think we've read-ans— they still run. i think we've read-one which- they still run. i think we've read one which says jump read that one which says jump rasing— read that one which says jump racing-outdated— read that one which says jump racing outdated cruel. racing is outdated and cruel. n-s— racing is outdated and cruel. ass—ay- racing is outdated and cruel. ass—by rash,- racing is outdated and cruel. it's—by rich, buti it's a sport run by rich, but that— it's a sport run by rich, but that one— it's a sport run by rich, but that as— it's a sport run by rich, but that one as well. - 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kelly. before we get started, let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. nana. thank you and headlines.— nana. thank you and good afternoon.— nana. thank you and good afternoon. this— nana. thank you and good afternoon. this is- \o:“: thank you and good afternoon. this is the \:“: thank you and good afternoon. this is the latest from— afternoon. this is the latest from one— afternoon. this is the latest from no on— afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the health soonoaany— from the gb newsroom, the health soonooany nas— from the gb newsroom, the health secretary has urged— from the gb newsroom, the health secretary has urged the royal college— secretary has urged the royal couogo o?— secretary has urged the royal college of nursing to reconsider anon— college of nursing to reconsider anon planned— college of nursing to reconsider their planned industrial action at their planned industrial action a? one— their planned industrial action a? no sna— their planned industrial action a? no and o?— their planned industrial action at the end of the— their planned industrial action at the end of the month. in a season— at the end of the month. in a season so— at the end of the month. in a letter to the— at the end of the month. in a letter to the unions leader this morning.— letter to the unions leader this morning. snows— letter to the unions leader this morning, steve barclay said the noon?— morning, steve barclay said the noon pay— morning, steve barclay said the recent pay offered— morning, steve barclay said the recent pay offered to rcn nnonnonsn— recent pay offered to rcn members was— recent pay offered to rcn members was fair and reasonable and snow— members was fair and reasonable and their decision— members was fair and reasonable and their decision to hold a 48 now— and their decision to hold a 48 now sonne— and their decision to hold a 48 hour strike will— and their decision to hold a 48 hour strike will put patients at nsn. — hour strike will put patients at nsn. nne— hour strike will put patients at risk. the chs_ hour strike will put patients at risk. ?2“: 2 hour strike will put patients at risk. 32“: 2 2 risk. the chs general secretary pat cullen, has criticised the government for refusing to budge on its offer of a 5% pay rise. our members neither think it's reasonable or fair. it's a short term reasonable or fair. it's a short on appnoaon— reasonable or fair. it's a short term approach that— 3 it's a short term approach that plugs a gap by giving— term approach that plugs a gap by giving anon— term approach that plugs a gap by giving anon a— term approach that plugs a gap by giving them a one off. 332“: by giving them a one off. what way-wo— by giving them a one off. what they've described— by giving them a one off. what they've described as a bonus. that's certainly not going to aaanoss— that's certainly not going to address the— that's certainly not going to address the fundamental crisis anat— address the fundamental crisis onao wo-wo— address the fundamental crisis onao goo— address the fundamental crisis that we've got within our

nansnng— that we've got within our nursing profession or within the wws— nursing profession or within the wws . — nursing profession or within the wws . nanoan— nursing profession or within the nhs. labour has— nursing profession or within the nhs. labour has vowed to end what it describes as a postcode lottery for gp appointments if it wins the next election . ian, it wins the next election. ian, the party says up to 2 2 2“ ian, the party says up to three owanons— the party says up to three owanons on— the party says up to three quarters of patients in some pans— quarters of patients in some pans on— quarters of patients in some parts of england aren't able to anon— parts of england aren't able to see their doctor— parts of england aren't able to see their doctor of— parts of england aren't able to see their doctor of choice and only— see their doctor of choice and only nan— see their doctor of choice and only nan ano— see their doctor of choice and only half the number of appointments are held face to naoo. — appointments are held face to face. labour's— appointments are held face to face. labour's promising to nonwo— face. labour's promising to double ano— face. labour's promising to double the number of doctors waned— double the number of doctors wanoa owony— double the number of doctors trained every year to 15,000 and snaaow— trained every year to 15,000 and shadow health— trained every year to 15,000 and shadow health secretary wes swoowng— shadow health secretary wes swoonng says— shadow health secretary wes streeting says young people need more opportunities— streeting says young people need more opportunities to enter the nnonossnon— more opportunities to enter the profession unless— more opportunities to enter the profession unless the nhs has the profession unless the nhs has no staff— profession unless the nhs has no staff n— profession unless the nhs has the staff it needs,— profession unless the nhs has the staff it needs, it's going to the staff it needs, it's going so snuggle— the staff it needs, it's going so snuggle ao— the staff it needs, it's going to struggle to treat patients on wne— to struggle to treat patients on one ana— to struggle to treat patients on time and we're— to struggle to treat patients on time and we're going to end up in time and we're going to end up an ons— time and we're going to end up in this bizarre— time and we're going to end up in this bizarre situation where on nano— in this bizarre situation where on one hand we're turning away sonangno—a— on one hand we're turning away straight—a grade— on one hand we're turning away straight—a grade students from swaying— straight—a grade students from studying university studying medicine at university wnwso— studying medicine at university whilst recruiting _ studying medicine at university whilst recruiting people from overseas . these- whilst recruiting people from overseas . “ whilst recruiting people from overseas. “ 2 overseas. these in greater numbers than we're training our own home—grown staff , which numbers than we're training our own home—grown staff, which is not fair to other countries around the world. even more around the world. but even more importantly, not fair importantly, it's not fair to bright in britain who bright teenagers in britain who could doctors and could be promising doctors and medics the future who are medics of the future who are

being denied the opportunity to plans to build new smart motorways are being cancelled over safety concerns as cost and low public confidence . the low public confidence. the government has 2. 2.23“ 22 the government has confirmed 14 planned— government has confirmed 14 planned projects— government has confirmed 14 planned projects have been sonappoa— planned projects have been sonappoa ana— planned projects have been scrapped and existing stretches wu— scrapped and existing stretches win no— scrapped and existing stretches win no nano— scrapped and existing stretches will be made safer. campaigners are will be made safer. campaigners demanding— will be made safer. campaigners are demanding the return of hard snoaaaons— are demanding the return of hard snoaaaons ao— are demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart nooonways. — shoulders to existing smart motorways. conservative party onawnan— motorways. conservative party onawnan ong— motorways. conservative party chairman greg hands told camilla nonnnoy— chairman greg hands told camilla nonnnoy ano— chairman greg hands told camilla tominey the government's putting panuo— tominey the government's putting ownwo safety— tominey the government's putting public safety first. _ tominey the government's putting public safety first. it's be nona— public safety first. it's be right on— public safety first. it's be noon on as— public safety first. it's be right for us to,- public safety first. it's be right for us to, as i say, look at no— right for us to, as i say, look at the evidence— right for us to, as i say, look at the evidence that's to come about. — at the evidence that's to come about. no— at the evidence that's to come about. it with— at the evidence that's to come about. it with bearing- at the evidence that's to come about. 2 “2 “ about. it with bearing in mind all the factors that are involved and that's why we've taken the decision as a result of the public concern to cease new smart motorways . that's what new smart motorways. that's what i think is the right decision. the british horseracing authority has robust , condemned authority has robust, condemned protesters who delayed the grand national as reckless . 118 people national as reckless. 118 people were national as reckless. 118 people annosaoa— national as reckless. 118 people were arrested for— \nn:2 2 118 people were arrested for disrupting the oven?— were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday _ were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday ,_ were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday , slightly event yesterday, slightly delaying— event yesterday, slightly delaying the _ event yesterday, slightly delaying the start of the race. aowwsos— delaying the start of the race. activists from _ delaying the start of the race. activists from animal rising are calling— activists from animal rising are oaunng non— activists from animal rising are oaunng non jump— activists from animal rising are calling forjump racing to be

calling for jump racing to be banned— calling for jump racing to be banned after— calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at banned after three horses died an ainwoo— banned after three horses died an ainwoo .— banned after three horses died at aintree . and— banned after three horses died at aintree . and they've warned at aintree. and they've warned nannon— at aintree. and they've warned further protests _ at aintree. and they've warned further protests will take place ons— further protests will take place was — further protests will take place this summer. the— further protests will take place this summer. the bucha says it was— this summer. the bucha says it will no— this summer. the bucha says it will no a— this summer. the bucha says it will be a painstaking analysis to determine— will be a painstaking analysis to determine what caused the deans— to determine what caused the deans .— to determine what caused the deaths . global— to determine what caused the deaths . global leaders are deaths. global leaders are holding— deaths. global leaders are holding crisis— deaths. global leaders are holding crisis talks in an onnon— holding crisis talks in an onnon oo— holding crisis talks in an effort to bring- holding crisis talks in an effort to bring an end to the soona— effort to bring an end to the soona nay— effort to bring an end to the second day of— effort to bring an end to the second day of heavy fighting in swan.— second day of heavy fighting in saaan. ao— second day of heavy fighting in sudan. at least— second day of heavy fighting in sudan. at least 56— second day of heavy fighting in sudan. at least 56 civilians nave— sudan. at least 56 civilians nawo noon— sudan. at least 56 civilians have been killed and almost 600 any-woo— have been killed and almost 600 any-woo as— have been killed and almost 600 any-woo as no— have been killed and almost 600 injured as the army— have been killed and almost 600 injured as the army and para nnwoany— injured as the army and para military forces— injured as the army and para military forces battle for oonwoa— military forces battle for oonwon .— military forces battle for control . all— military forces battle for control . all across the capital, control. all across the capital, wnanoan — control. all across the capital, wnanoan .— control. all across the capital, khartoum . both— control. all across the capital, khartoum . both sides claim to khartoum. both sides claim to nave— khartoum. both sides claim to nawo taken— khartoum. both sides claim to have taken the— khartoum. both sides claim to have taken the airport presidential- have taken the airport presidential palace and state tv tensions— presidential palace and state tv tensions have— presidential palace and state tv tensions have escalated as pouwoaa— tensions have escalated as political factions negotiate over a proposed transition to onwuan— over a proposed transition to onwuan m2— over a proposed transition to civilian rule following a nnwoany— civilian rule following a military coup- civilian rule following a military coup in 2021. and more anan— military coup in 2021. and more anan oooo— military coup in 2021. and more than 6000 members of the armed noo— than 6000 members of the armed noo wu— than 6000 members of the armed noo win no— than 6000 members of the armed forces will be taking part in ono— forces will be taking part in we wing-s— forces will be taking part in the king's coronation next monon— the king's coronation next month. thousands of veterans and wws— month. thousands of veterans and wws wonnons— month. thousands of veterans and nhs workers have— month. thousands of veterans and nhs workers have also been invited— nhs workers have also been invited oo— nhs workers have also been invited to watch _ nhs workers have also been invited to watch the historic oven?— invited to watch the historic event nnon — invited to watch the historic event from a _ invited to watch the historic event from a special grandstand in non— event from a special grandstand in font on— event from a special grandstand in front of buckingham palace .

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decision. thank god . ' 2 that's what i think is the right decision. thank god . ' “2 that's what i think is the right decision. thank god . ' 2 8 decision. thank god. and the 18 year— decision. thank god. and the 18 year experiment on british motorways has finally come to an end . although it was pretty end. although it was pretty obvious to all of us that they were a stupid and dangerous idea. i mean, it beggars belief that some idiot came up with them in the first it's them in the first place. it's a sort of baldrick from blackadder moment, i'll a cunning moment, but i'll have a cunning plan, lord. let's turn the plan, my lord. let's turn the hard shoulder into an actual moving lane in their place. we can put little laybys every mile and a half or so, a bit like an a—road, but on a motorway where we have 3 to 5 lanes of moving traffic, like if someone breaks down, we can monitor this with cameras on the overhead gantries and a radar system. people in monitoring centres will respond to the incidents by closing the lanes with little red x's overhead. brilliant idea. it will cost us a lot less . really? will cost us a lot less. really? well, that depends on what you determine as cost life or money. we were fed stupid government adverts of ridiculous bumblebee tea telling us what to do if we

broke down on one. you need to go left . go left . indicators on go left. go left. indicators on osm— go left. go left. indicators on m ana— go left. go left. indicators on aslef and after— 223 go left. indicators on aslef and after going left the car aslef and after going left the paus— aslef and after going left the car pulls into— aslef and after going left the car pulls into a— aslef and after going left the car pulls into a clearly marked, ownonony— car pulls into a clearly marked, extremely spacious layby. 2:32“ car pulls into a clearly marked, extremely spacious layby. o“ extremely spacious layby. oh how perfect— extremely spacious layby. oh how nonnooo ono— extremely spacious layby. oh how perfect the world _ extremely spacious layby. oh how perfect the world is. only it isn't, is it? as many of us have found out. what if you break down and there is no layby nearby ? why? and you get left nearby? why? and you get left and you go left and then you have to squeeze into whatever space is available or worse, if you break down towing a caravan and get into difficulties for the benefit of those on the radio, a car towing a caravan has done just that. there was no layby in sight. a car then smashes into the caravan on the right side and if you miss that, go to gb news .com. you can download the free gb news app and you can watch it again on catch up. alternatively, and this is the one if you can't make it to a layby, you're told to stay in vehicle until to stay in your vehicle until the is closed, right? yeah.

the road is closed, right? yeah. and by every bone in your body that tells you to get the hell out from the oncoming out of the way from the oncoming traffic immediately you see back in world, the more in the real world, the more things put in the way of things you've put in the way of getting to the solution, the more opportunities be more opportunities there will be for go wrong. like for things to go wrong. like what break down suddenly what if you break down suddenly in you can't make it in your car? you can't make it all the way to the nearest layby because are because they because there are because they are further away than promised? what cameras don't spot what if the cameras don't spot you person you because the person monitoring them on a or monitoring them is on a break or the system what if the system is down? what if there is no radar technology? as we learnt case on many we learnt was the case on many of things? or if the of these things? or if the people behind you don't see the red x above the lane or ignore it, many it, well there are so many variables . i it, well there are so many variables. i could go on forever whilst it is welcome news that there will no longer be more of these awful ridiculous things being built . but what i want and being built. but what i want and looking at it for the existing ones, i want those to go. i mean , it's awful because they promised that they would increase the frequency of the laybys with the existing ones.

that's what they said they'll do. but you tell that to the families who say the government have blood on their hands. i want them to further. i say want them to go further. i say reinstate all hard shoulders on all existing smart motorways all the existing smart motorways . right? danny loved that he said i was so stern. i think he liked that daddy. all right. before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today. the great british debate this hour. i'm asking our labour's dirty tricks. going to cost them their lead targeted lead following their targeted campaigns claimed rac campaigns where they claimed rac sunak lock up sunak doesn't want to lock up sex offenders. days of sex offenders. labour's days of commanding point in the commanding 20 point leads in the polls pretty much polls are pretty much disappeared as millions of undecided voters are undecided decided voters are more to back sunak over more likely to back sunak over starmer and recent polling indicates that the prospect of a hung are much higher hung parliament are much higher . their attack ads . so how have their attack ads spectacularly backfired ? then at spectacularly backfired? then at 450, it's worldview paul duddndge 450, it's worldview paul duddridge will be joining me to bnng duddridge will be joining me to bring up us up to date with the news and the drama from the us. of course, trump watch. we'll

find out what's there. find out what's going on there. then five, it's this week's then at five, it's this week's outside. tv outside. now, this reality tv star has been known for her anfics star has been known for her antics on big brother has antics on big brother and has been get the been campaigning to get the kohinoor diamond back into india. so can you guess who it is? i bet you got it straight away. why do we give them that clue? that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.uk at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right. so let's welcome again to my panel. but before i do that, i'll do the smarter the spokesperson and the smarter the spokesperson and the smart motorway. once we've discussed it. right. so bring me back to my panel. danny kelly and wootton. back to my panel. danny kelly and to wootton. back to my panel. danny kelly and to see wootton. back to my panel. danny kelly and to see you. wootton. back to my panel. danny kelly and to see you. thankvootton. back to my panel. danny kelly and to see you. thank you. on. back to my panel. danny kelly and to see you. thank you. good good to see you. thank you. good to be here. right so i'm going to be here. right so i'm going to start with you, danny, because a car man. yeah, because you're a car man. yeah, smart motorways. i like him. i anno— smart motorways. i like him. i mmo-wow.— smart motorways. i like him. i think.-well,llike- smart motorways. i like him. i think.-well,llike him | think. what? well, i like him nooaaso— think. what? well, i like him because-that- think. what? well, i like him because _that the. because it means that the nano— because it means that the traffic- better- because it means that the traffic better now. traffic flows better now. u nfo rtunately, _ traffic flows better now. unfortunately, smashes and unfortunately, car smashes and more buy more more people need to buy more cars. no , not not purely out of cars. no, not not purely out of basso— cars. no, not not purely out of nasno . — cars. no, not not purely out of nasno . a— cars. no, not not purely out of basic. a basic— 2:3: no, not not purely out of basic . ' 2. 2:3 basic. a basic capitalism. i realised. no. if operated

oonnoowy.— realised. no. if operated correctly. and _ realised. no. if operated correctly. and if- 32:2 2 \n2:3 if operated correctly. and if there wasn't nanan— correctly. and if there wasn't human error. and of course we're all human error. and of course we're at annoy— human error. and of course we're all away on— human error. and of course we're all guilty of human— human error. and of course we're all guilty of human error. what we on one— all guilty of human error. what we saw on the television earlier was a flatbed lorry having to avoid last minute when he or she i'm guessing it was a bloke when he saw a caravan that had broken down. now, really the flatbed fat, fat, the flatbed lorry, not the flatbed lorry, the fat flatbed. i never said anything. it's just looking at the lorry. wean. so— it's just looking at the lorry. yeah. so actually,— it's just looking at the lorry. 242:“ so actually, yes, the size yeah. so actually, yes, the size of yeah. so actually, yes, the size on ono- — yeah. so actually, yes, the size on ono- okay.— yeah. so actually, yes, the size on ono- onay. so— 242:“ so actually, yes, the size of the. okay. so anyway, the sonny— of the. okay. so anyway, the lay anyon— of the. okay. so anyway, the lorry driver wasn't paying attention — lorry driver wasn't paying attention. so— lorry driver wasn't paying attention. so that's why at the last minute he smashed into the caravan. that's human error. now you have to. but the caravan nan— now you have to. but the caravan naa nowonon— now you have to. but the caravan had nowhere to— now you have to. but the caravan had nowhere to go.— now you have to. but the caravan had nowhere to go. that's the point.— had nowhere to go. that's the point. yos— had nowhere to go. that's the point. yes. caravan shouldn't nave— point. yes. caravan shouldn't nave-anon.— point. yes. caravan shouldn't have _there,-the- point. yes. caravan shouldn't- have _there,-the caravan have been there, but the caravan nono— have been there, but the caravan woke-n— have been there, but the caravan broke-it didn't- broke down so it didn't have anywnono— broke down so it didn't have anywhere-the- broke down so it didn't have. anywhere _the caravan anywhere to go. so the caravan paus— anywhere to go. so the caravan onus-nooaaso— anywhere to go. so the caravan pulls because there's nowhere pulls in because there's nowhere to nau— pulls in because there's nowhere to own an— pulls in because there's nowhere to pull in because— pulls in because there's nowhere to pull in because obviously as— to pull in because obviously n-s woken— to pull in because obviously it's broken - no, - it's broken down. no, i understand completely. now understand that completely. now you're human error. you're saying human error. yes. nan— you're saying human error. yes. nan ano— you're saying human error. yes. but the caravan— you're saying human error. yes. but the caravan nowhere to you're saying human error. yes. but no, caravan nowhere to you're saying human error. yes. but no, i aravan nowhere to you're saying human error. yes. but no, i know, nowhere to you're saying human error. yes. but no, i know, but nowhere to you're saying human error. yes. but no, i know, but it|owhere to you're saying human error. yes. but no, i know, but it was ere to you're saying human error. yes. but no, i know, but it was human go. no, i know, but it was human nnon ono— go. no, i know, but it was human error from the lorry— go. no, i know, but it was human error from the lorry driver nooaaso— error from the lorry driver nooaaso no— error from the lorry driver because he should have seen the oaaan—n- caravan that had stopped in non?— caravan that had stopped in font on— caravan that had stopped in front of-gone- caravan that had stopped in front of gone into front of it had gone into anoonon— front of it had gone into another-they- front of it had gone into another they may well front of it had gone into- another-they may well have another lane. they may well have noon—oana-

another lane. they may well have been _other side, - been a car on the other side, wnnon— been a car on the other side, wnnon-nawo— been a car on the other side, which-have hurt- been a car on the other side, which have hurt somebody been a car on the other side, whiciwell, have hurt somebody been a car on the other side, whiciwell, heiave hurt somebody been a car on the other side, whiciwell, he should't somebody been a car on the other side, whiciwell, he should haveiebody else. well, he should have snowed— else. well, he should have- snowed—nave slowed down. he should have slowed down. he should have slowed look but in slowed down. look but in reality, go slowed down. look but in reality,-go on. - slowed down. look but in reality,-go on. if. slowed down. look but in reality, go on. if the reality, let's go on. if the caravan been to pull caravan had been able to pull over a proper hard shoulder over onto a proper hard shoulder would happened, wouldn't would have happened, wouldn't have. i you have. i understand that. and you own— have. i understand that. and you oowa-wowa— have. i understand that. and you could _would the - i understand that. and you could would the caravan could argue, would the caravan be could argue, would the caravan no big— could argue, would the caravan no nag-on— could argue, would the caravan be big-or small- could argue, would the caravan be big or small enough to be big enough or small enough to get into these little sort of nano— get into these little sort of hard surgeries? hard shoulder surgeries? it wows— hard shoulder surgeries? it would nava— hard shoulder surgeries? it would have been,-notj hard shoulder surgeries? it. would have been,-not if would have been, well, not if there car there. am there was another car there. am i against myself? no, no, i going against myself? no, no, no, i going against myself? no, no, nolvoa— i going against myself? no, no, no,-you-believe- i going against myself? no, no, no, you believe you're no, no. you can't believe you're in them. can't think in favour of them. i can't think anon-s— in favour of them. i can't think anono-s-noa- in favour of them. i can't think there's-not talking. there's a no, i'm not talking nonsense. no.— there's a no, i'm not talking nonsense. 2.3. there's a no, i'm not talking nonsense. n23 “ 3 nonsense. no. who is in favour of motorways? well, lots of smart motorways? well, lots of smart motorways? well, lots of drive of people who drive many onoasanas— of people who drive manyi thousands—year, of people who drive many. thousands—year, i thousands of miles a year, i anno— thousands of miles a year, i annnn—snani think are in favour of smart nooonways. — think are in favour of smart motorways. _know don't motorways. now, i know you don't do deal. i've driven do a great deal. i've driven down— do a great deal. i've driven down knowing— do a great deal. i've driven down knowing that- 223 232;:2 2 i've driven down knowing that we were taking — down knowing that we werei tanning _. talking about the subject. i know.— talking about the subject. i know—down- talking about the subject. i know,_down i'vei talking about the subject. i- know,_down i've done know, but driving down i've done 100 miles get from the 100 miles to get here from the midlands deliberately midlands and i deliberately counted had broken counted the cars that had broken down m40 south down and on the m40 south there was m40 north there was four. on the m40 north there was-ana— was four. on the m40 north there was-ana ons— was four. on the m40 north there was-and this again- was four. on the m40 north there was-and this again is- 3 on the m40 north there was and this again is an was four. and this again is an anaanono— argument against myself here it as. — argument against myself here it as. _woon- argument against myself here it as. _woon gonnai is. you must have been going, oh, one. oh, oh, there's another one. oh, what? iwhat oh, there's another one. oh, what? i what i, what i, what i want. — what? iwhat i, what i, what i want. lawn-o— what? iwhat i, what i, what i want. ididn't want- what? iwhat i, what i, what i want. ididn't want any- 2 i what i, what i, what i want. 2 2“ 2 want. i didn't want any so i could defeat you all say, well could defeat you all i say, well i one broken down car i didn't see one broken down car today managed today so if it's managed correctly managed correctly look, if it's managed correctly, you get the red crosses going managed.

crosses going to be managed. the they had this the problem is they had this aynanno— the problem is they had thisi dynamic—software dynamic system, this software anaa— dynamic system, this software wnat—ono- dynamic system, this software. wnat—one poowo that kept failing. so the people who:— that kept failing. so the people win—n- who, you know, although it wasn-t— who, you know, although it wasn't software's wasn't really the software's fault,— wasn't really the software's. fault—now, fault, they called it die. now, a-the— fault, they called it die. now, a-the people- fault, they called it die. now, a-the people who- a lot of the people who were working — a lot of the people who were working _those i working in those in those sasss— working in those in those spaces,.those- working in those in those- spaces,.those-centres spaces, all those call centres or whatever— spaces, all those call centres or whatever they _ spaces, all those call centres or whatever they are to sort of asa— or whatever they are to sort of deal-cameras- or whatever they are to sort ofi deal-cameras-the deal with the cameras and the gantries— gantries and everything, it wasa-a— gantries and everything, it. wasn't—software's gantries and everything, it. wasn"but-software's gantries and everything, it wasn"but they software's gantries and everything, it wasn"but they namedtware's gantries and everything, it wasn"but they namedtnthata fault, but they named it that ana— fault, but they named it that and-was— fault, but they named it that and-was vary— fault, but they named it that and were very traumatised fault, but they named it that an

150 of these emerging rac areas , but it's absolute lunacy and people have paid so dearly with their lives for this . but their lives for this. but there's always a- ” c but there's always a balance. governments— there's always a balance. governments need to always think accus— governments need to always think about a— governments need to always think about a balance— governments need to always think about a balance between potential— about a balance between potential accidents and also the acacucauues— potential accidents and also the practicalities of— potential accidents and also the practicalities of just getting on practicalities of just getting en una— practicalities of just getting as with your— practicalities of just getting on with your-to- practicalities of just getting on with your to life. on with your day to day life. neat-s— on with your day to day life. neat-s way— on with your day to day life. that's why for— on with your day to day life. that's why for example, the 30 mue— that's why for example, the 30 mile au— that's why for example, the 30 mile an heur— that's why for example, the 30 mile an hour speed limit in towns— mile an hour speed limit in towns ana— mile an hour speed limit in towns and-if- mile an hour speed limit in towns and-if the- towns and cities, if the government- towns and cities, if the- government-really government wanted to really euuce — government wanted to really reduce .level_ government wanted to really reduce level accidents reduce the level of accidents anu— reduce the level of accidents and deaths— reduce the level of accidents and deaths .— reduce the level of accidents and deaths , then they'd and deaths, then they'd reduce it and deaths, then they'd reduce u-euc— and deaths, then they'd reduce it-but-understand. it to 15. but they understand chas— it to 15. but they understand chat-as— it to 15. but they understand chat-as acc— it to 15. but they understand that-is too slow. - it to 15. but they understand that is too slow. so that that that is too slow. so that wasldecision_ that that is too slow. so that was decision made the was a decision made by the governmenta— was a decision made by the government? potentially government? yes, potentially chee— government.7 yes, potentially there cause— government.7 yes, potentially there could accidents, there could be more accidents, auc— there could be more accidents, but what— there could be more accidents, but what does— there could be more accidents, but what does that mean to the day— but what does that mean to the day cc— but what does that mean to the day cc-ufe— but what does that mean to the day cc-ufe cf— but what does that mean to the day to life of business and day to day life of business and sees— day to day life of business and teas ana— day to day life of business and tens and hundreds thousands tens and hundreds of thousands of cars.7 i understand it's a copoise— of cars.7 i understand it's a. compromise-between of cars.7 i understand it's a- compromise-between cost compromise between between cost and compromise between between cost ape-ves— compromise between between cost ape-ves- vou— compromise between between cost and-yes. you know,- compromise between between cost and _yes. you know, you. and safety. yes. you know, you get accident on an unmanned get one accident on an unmanned level crossing because some idiot goes through and then they say, right, we must close all these unmanned level crossings. that ludicrous . but that would be ludicrous. but i think 70 is quite a high number of people . yeah, but who knows of people. yeah, but who knows how would have died how many people would have died if they had the closing if they hadn't had the closing of. it's not just it's not of. it's not just that. it's not use— of. it's not just that. it's not iusi—iusi- of. it's not just that. it's not iusi—iusi iiiail just been it's not just that the way— just been it's not just that the way - accidents - just been it's not just that the way - accidents are - way these accidents are

occurring— way these accidents are occurring are accidents that are iiieraiiy— occurring are accidents that are literally occurring _ literally occurring because of the literally occurring because of ripe-ripar— literally occurring because of the _that the - literally occurring because of the that the people the situation that the people are-peopie— the situation that the people are - people will- the situation that the people are people will sensibly are in. so people will sensibly puri— are in. so people will sensibly puii oer— are in. so people will sensibly puii as— are in. so people will sensibly pull over as they're meant to. our—because- but unfortunately, because the crosses haven't— but unfortunately, because the crosses haven't been set up or uiaiever— crosses haven't been set up or wiraierer ii— crosses haven't been set up or wiraierer ii is— crosses haven't been set up or whatever it is, or— crosses haven't been set up or whatever it is, or somebody ravine— whatever it is, or somebodyj paring—know whatever it is, or somebody- having_know who's having a break or you know who's operarirra— having a break or you know who's operariua-or— having a break or you know who's operariaa-or iusr- operating the thing or just someiiriua— operating the thing or just something working it something isn't working, it means-these- something isn't working, it means these things something isn't working, it- means-these things are means that this these things are causing— means that this these things are causing aeain— means that this these things are causing death and— means that this these things are causing death and it's all these procedures— causing death and it's all these procedures .— causing death and it's all these procedures , errors— causing death and it's all these procedures , errors between causing death and it's all these pro

important half of the battle to go because it's, it's the current ones that are killing us. well, exactly . current ones that are killing us. well, exactly. that's current ones that are killing us. well, exactly . that's that us. well, exactly. that's that was my take on it. now for those of who don't know and mean of us who don't know and i mean claire, able to tell of us who don't know and i mean clewhat able to tell of us who don't know and i mean clewhat happened ble to tell of us who don't know and i mean clewhat happened to to tell of us who don't know and i mean clewhat happened to yourzll us what happened to your partner, so people partner, just so people understand and the awfulness of these ridiculous things and i don't know why going don't know why they're going to carry ones. um, don't know why they're going to carry ones . um, he carry on with these ones. um, he had a minor collision— carry on with these ones. um, he had a minor collision on- iii" um, he had a minor collision on the m1 near meadowhall_ had a minor collision on the m1 near meadowhall in sheffield. it snouia— near meadowhall in sheffield. it snouiu nave— near meadowhall in sheffield. it should have just— near meadowhall in sheffield. it should have just been a bad scan— should have just been a bad sian ro— should have just been a bad sian ro ine— should have just been a bad start to the day.— should have just been a bad start to the day. they should nave— start to the day. they should nave poin— start to the day. they should have both drivers should have porn— have both drivers should have porn-incin— have both drivers should have both-their way- have both drivers should have both their way within both been on their way within a few— both been on their way within a fen-nui— both been on their way within a few-but because- both been on their way within a few but because they few minutes. but because they ar— few minutes. but because they ai a— few minutes. but because they ai a sign— few minutes. but because they were at a sign that said no hard snouiaer— were at a sign that said no hard snouiaer for— were at a sign that said no hard shoulder for four— were at a sign that said no hard shoulder for four miles and because— shoulder for four miles and because four— shoulder for four miles and because four years ago we knew iess— because four years ago we knew iess apour— because four years ago we knew less about smart— because four years ago we knew less about smart motorways than we less about smart motorways than oemo-— less about smart motorways than nen-on .— less about smart motorways than nenon- . ana— less about smart motorways than we-now . and they,- less about smart motorways than we now . and they, you we know now. and they, you know, nnen— we know now. and they, you know, iney uian-i— we know now. and they, you know, they didn't know— we know now. and they, you know, they didn't know what they were meani— they didn't know what they were neani ro— they didn't know what they were neani ro iiney— they didn't know what they were meant to they didn't know they didn't know what they were mea there they didn't know they didn't know what they were mea there was hey didn't know they didn't know what they were mea there was azy didn't know they didn't know what they were mea there was a refuge t know they didn't know what they were mea there was a refuge areaiw they didn't know what they were mea there was a refuge area a that there was a refuge area a nie— that there was a refuge area a mic our— that there was a refuge area a mic our oi— that there was a refuge area a mile out of sight— that there was a refuge area a mile out of sight .— that there was a refuge area a mile out of sight . and you can mile out of sight. and you can on can— mile out of sight. and you can see on cctv that— mile out of sight. and you can see on cctv that they travel runner— see on cctv that they travel further onwards— see on cctv that they travel further onwards looking for a safer— further onwards looking for a safer piace— further onwards looking for a safer place to— further onwards looking for a safer place to stop , but they safer place to stop, but they can-i— safer place to stop, but they can-r fina— safer place to stop, but they can't find one.— safer place to stop, but they can't find one. and it's a legal opiigaiion— can't find one. and it's a legal opiigaiion io— can't find one. and it's a legal obligation to stop— can't find one. and it's a legal obligation to stop after an acciuenr. — obligation to stop after an accident. so— obligation to stop after an accident. so they pull over as far rein— accident. so they pull over as far era as— accident. so they pull over as

far left as they— accident. so they pull over as far left as they can. um, but they— far left as they can. um, but iney can-r— far left as they can. um, but iney can-r gei— far left as they can. um, but they can't get their vehicles rigni— they can't get their vehicles rigni our— they can't get their vehicles rignr our oi— they can't get their vehicles right out of the— they can't get their vehicles right out of the live running iane— right out of the live running lane because— right out of the live running lane because of— right out of the live running lane because of the crash barrier.— lane because of the crash barrier. and _ lane because of the crash barrier. and they themselves can-r— barrier. and they themselves can-r gei— barrier. and they themselves can-r ger onre— barrier. and they themselves can't get over the crash barrier because— can't get over the crash barrier because-so- can't get over the crash barrier because - 30 foot - can't get over the crash barrier because 30 foot drop because there's a 30 foot drop on-siae— because there's a 30 foot drop on-siae ana- because there's a 30 foot drop on-side and they. because there's a 30 foot drop on side and they get on the other side and they get out-vehicles— on the other side and they get out-vehicles and- on the other side and they get out vehicles and they talk out their vehicles and they talk to out their vehicles and they talk io-orner— out their vehicles and they talk to -other there. _ out their vehicles and they talk to other there. and this is to each other there. and this is nnar— to each other there. and this is nnar nappens— to each other there. and this is what happens in— to each other there. and this is what happens in 90% of these cases on live— what happens in 90% of these cases on live running lanes. the peopie— cases on live running lanes. the peopie are— cases on live running lanes. the peopie our— cases on live running lanes. the people are out of— cases on live running lanes. the people are out of their vehicles ana— people are out of their vehicles and nean— people are out of their vehicles and heavy cannot— people are out of their vehicles and heavy cannot manoeuvre the as a ioni— and heavy cannot manoeuvre the same as a ford fiesta. you know, iney-ne— same as a ford fiesta. you know, iney-ne goi— same as a ford fiesta. you know, iney-ne gor nucn— same as a ford fiesta. you know, they've got much bigger stopping aisrances— they've got much bigger stopping distances and— they've got much bigger stopping distances and things and a hgv piougneu— distances and things and a hgv piougneu inro— distances and things and a hgv ploughed into them bodily and caused— ploughed into them bodily and caused absolute— ploughed into them bodily and caused absolute carnage across four— caused absolute carnage across four ianes— caused absolute carnage across four ianes or— caused absolute carnage across four lanes of the— caused absolute carnage across four lanes of the motorway . and four lanes of the motorway. and even when there— four lanes of the motorway. and even when there was absolute canaeg— even when there was absolute carnage across four lanes of the noiornan — carnage across four lanes of the noiornan ine— carnage across four lanes of the motorway, the technology that iea — motorway, the technology that iea ro — motorway, the technology that we're led to believe will save ines— we're led to believe will save our lives didn't— we're led to believe will save our lives didn't pick them up inen. — our lives didn't pick them up even then. well,- our lives didn't pick them up even then. ennis our lives didn't pick them up even then. well, see, that's that's in response to what danny was saying. the point is that whilst they have all this technology, once you've got a chain communication, then chain of communication, then anything, any loose link on that chain means that that message won't get across. so you've been campaigning. what's the next step now? because we've got to

the point now where there they are they're stopping are, they're stopping the rollout. they rollout. i don't know why they didn't sooner, but we didn't do it sooner, but we still to live with these still have to live with these things, the ones they've things, the ones that they've currently you currently got. how can we you know, going in terms know, what's going on in terms of, must be relieved, but of, you must be relieved, but that doesn't feel like. yeah, well , the campaign- : c ”iii; c yeah, well , the campaign doesn't stop well, the campaign doesn't stop because— well, the campaign doesn't stop because ine— well, the campaign doesn't stop because like i— well, the campaign doesn't stop because like i say,— well, the campaign doesn't stop because like i say, it's the ins— because like i say, it's the ins ine— because like i say, it's the it's the existing - because like i say, it's the it's the existing ones that are niiiing— it's the existing ones that are niiiing — it's the existing ones that are kiiiing so— it's the existing ones that are killing us. so unfortunately , we killing us. so unfortunately, we sriii— killing us. so unfortunately, we we've still got— killing us. so unfortunately, we we've still got a— killing us. so unfortunately, we we've still got a job to do and were-going— we've still got a job to do and ne-re-going io— we've still got a job to do and we're going to stop until we're not going to stop until ne-ne-nara- we're not going to stop until we've hard shoulder back we've got the hard shoulder back on—norornay- we've got the hard shoulder backi on _ motorway because on every single motorway because again— on every single motorway because agg. .— on every single motorway because again , ir-s— on every single motorway because again , ir-s insi— on every single motorway because again , it's just smoke and again, it's just smoke and anu— again, it's just smoke and mirrors and caveats and ioornores— mirrors and caveats and footnotes because they say all new smoke motorways and then they— new smoke motorways and then iney aimin— new smoke motorways and then they admit that— new smoke motorways and then they admit that the m56 and the they admit that the msg and the m6 they admit that the m56 and the no are— they admit that the m56 and the no sriii— they admit that the m56 and the m6 are still going— they admit that the m56 and the m6 are still going to open nirnoui— m6 are still going to open without hard— m6 are still going to open without hard shoulders . the without hard shoulders. the seciions— without hard shoulders. the sections currently worked sections currently being worked on, sections currently being worked on-ana— sections currently being worked on-ana nou— sections currently being worked on-ana you say- sections currently being worked on, and you say about on, they're and you say about ine— on, they're and you say about rne wean— on, they're and you say about the weak links— on, they're and you say about the weak links all the way inrougn. — the weak links all the way inrougn. ii-s— the weak links all the way through. it's weak links like ine— through. it's weak links like inc—you-ne- through. it's weak links like- the_you've mentioned the technology you've mentioned this the technology you've mentioned ins-ii— the technology you've mentioned inis-ii is— the technology you've mentioned inis-ii is noi— the technology you've mentioned this-it is not up- the technology you've mentioned this-it is not up for- the technology you've mentioned this it is not up for the this dynak. it is not up for the job this dynak. it is not up for the pop incre— this dynak. it is not up for the pop inere is— this dynak. it is not up for the job there is nowhere near enough scari— job there is nowhere near enough srair enpioyea— job there is nowhere near enough staff employed in— job there is nowhere near enough staff employed in the control cenies— staff employed in the control cenies . nn— staff employed in the control centres . an inquest after centres. an inquest after inguesr— centres. an inquest after inquest after— centres. an inquest after inquest after inquest that i've sat inquest after inquest that i've sai inrougn— inquest after inquest that i've sat through at— inquest after inquest that i've sat through at national highways

nave— sat through at national highways nave sain— sat through at national highways have said we've— sat through at national highways have said we've got 100% coverage. farage camera coverage 011 coverage. farage camera coverage on ine— coverage. farage camera coverage on ine on— coverage. farage camera coverage on ine on ine— coverage. farage camera coverage on the on the motorways . but on the on the motorways. but nnen— on the on the motorways. but nnen pressed,— on the on the motorways. but when pressed, they eventually .gmp, — when pressed, they eventually admit, although— when pressed, they eventually admit, although they've got 100% camera coverage— admit, although they've got 100% camera coverage ,_ admit, although they've got 100% camera coverage , so there's camera coverage, so there's cameras covering 100% of the noiornan— cameras covering 100% of the motorway network, there is not enougn— motorway network, there is not enougn caea— motorway network, there is not enough camera operators employed to enough camera operators employed ro naicn— enough camera operators employed ro naicn nnen.— enough camera operators employed to watch them. so— enough camera operators employed to watch them. so the cameras are to watch them. so the cameras iooking— to watch them. so the cameras are looking, but— to watch them. so the cameras are looking, but there's no one narcning.— are looking, but there's no one narcning. anu— are looking, but there's no one watching. and this is the same enennnere.— watching. and this is the same everywhere- so— watching. and this is the same everywhere. so you've just got wean— everywhere. so you've just got nean rink— everywhere. so you've just got weak link after— everywhere. so you've just got weak link after weak link after nean— weak link after weak link after nean rink— weak link after weak link after weak link and— weak link after weak link after weak link and the technology inaus— weak link and the technology that's meant— weak link and the technology that's meant to— weak link and the technology that's meant to be installed in the that's meant to be installed in rne roads— that's meant to be installed in rne roads is— that's meant to be installed in the roads is either— that's meant to be installed in the roads is either not installed— the roads is either not installed-in- the roads is either not installed in my husband's installed as in my husband's case or.didn't_ installed as in my husband's case or didn't work. and time case or it didn't work. and time anaer— case or it didn't work. and time aiier nine— case or it didn't work. and time after time it's— case or it didn't work. and time after time it's just— case or it didn't work. and time after time it's just not picking it after time it's just not picking in up— after time it's just not picking in up .— after time it's just not picking in up . ine— after time it's just not picking it up . the gantries do their own it up. the gantries do their own ining. — it up. the gantries do their own ining. they— it up. the gantries do their own ining. iney ser— it up. the gantries do their own thing. they set their own signs or they— thing. they set their own signs or iney ion-i— thing. they set their own signs or they don't set— thing. they set their own signs or they don't set the signs. ii-s— or they don't set the signs. is insi— or they don't set the signs. is iusi ii-s— or they don't set the signs. it's just it's just- or they don't set the signs. it's just it's just weak link anaer— it's just it's just weak link aiier nean— it's just it's just weak link after weak link— it's just it's just weak link after weak link after weak link. anu— after weak link after weak link. ana peopie-s— after weak link after weak link. and people's lives— after weak link after weak link. and people's lives are depending on ins.— and people's lives are depending on inis. ana— and people's lives are depending on this. and the— and people's lives are depending on this. and the other argument inan— on this. and the other argument inai a— on this. and the other argument inai a ion— on this. and the other argument inai a ioi or— on this. and the other argument that a lot of these— on this. and the other argument that a lot of these accidents nonn— that a lot of these accidents aonn io— that a lot of these accidents are down to human error. we're nurnan — are down to human error. we're nurnan vou— are down to human error. we're human. you can't— are down to human error. we're human. you can't take the human out human. you can't take the human our oi— human. you can't take the human our on inis. — human. you can't take the human our on inis. ne— human. you can't take the human out of this. we are— human. you can't take the human out of this. we are human. and

we nau— out of this. we are human. and we naa an— out of this. we are human. and we had an infallible thing at the we had an infallible thing at rne sine— we had an infallible thing at rne side or— we had an infallible thing at the side of the— we had an infallible thing at the side of the road that didn't ren— the side of the road that didn't reiy on— the side of the road that didn't reiy on giircny— the side of the road that didn't rely on glitchy technology . we rely on glitchy technology. we aian-r— rely on glitchy technology. we uiun-i ren— rely on glitchy technology. we uiun-i reiy on— rely on glitchy technology. we didn't rely on humans and it worked. — didn't rely on humans and it worked. anu— didn't rely on humans and it worked. and we— didn't rely on humans and it worked. and we chose to take it anan — worked. and we chose to take it anan ana— worked. and we chose to take it away- one inan— worked. and we chose to take it away. and that is— worked. and we chose to take it away. and that is just inconceivable . and yet when inconceivable. and yet when i pusn— inconceivable. and yet when i pusn nor— inconceivable. and yet when i push for corporate manslaughter cnarges— push for corporate manslaughter cnarges in— push for corporate manslaughter charges, i'm told— push for corporate manslaughter charges, i'm told that national nignnans— charges, i'm told that national nignnays ao— charges, i'm told that national highways do not— charges, i'm told that national highways do not owe the motorist a nun— highways do not owe the motorist a gun or— highways do not owe the motorist a gun or care— highways do not owe the motorist a duty of care so— highways do not owe the motorist a duty of care so therefore cannon— a duty of care so therefore cannoi pe — a duty of care so therefore cannot be prosecuted . covid for cannot be prosecuted. covid for corporaie— cannot be prosecuted. covid for corporate manslaughter by naiiace— corporate manslaughter by wallace sinclair. c wallace sinclair. it's always good— wallace sinclair. it's always good to talk to you. you fight a good to talk to you. you fight a good fight, and i'm behind you 100. i think you're spot on. and i wish you all the best. thank you so much forjoining me. that is mercer lost her is claire mercer lost her husband a smart motorway . husband on a smart motorway. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this gb news online this is gb news on tv, online and digital radio . after and on digital radio. after the break, for the great break, it's time for the great british hour. i'm british debate this hour. i'm asking dirty asking our labour's dirty tactics. cost them tactics. going to cost them their lead. that's .

next good afternoon. it's just coming up ro— good afternoon. it's just coming up no ze— good afternoon. it's just coming up to 24 minutes— good afternoon. it's just coming up to 24 minutes after- g: it'sjust coming up to 24 minutes after 4:00. iris— up to 24 minutes after 4:00. run is— up to 24 minutes after 4:00. run is en— up to 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news— up to 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on- up to 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv,- up to 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. it's time, though, for our great british debate. this hour and i'm asking our labour's dirty tactics going to cost them their lead now, sir keir starmer has been facing criticism for attack ads claiming that rishi sunak and the tories are soft on crime and sexual abuse. now posters accusing rishi of not supporting prison sentences for as well as deliberately hiking taxes on working people, were uploaded by the labour party to its social media pages in what many cite as a classic example of negative campaigning and dirty political tactics. so keir starmer says that he regrets nothing , but starmer says that he regrets nothing, but if starmer says that he regrets nothing , but if polling starmer says that he regrets nothing, but if polling begins to be affecting labour's consistent 20 point lead, then what do you think ? so for the what do you think? so for the great british debate, sir, i'm asking our labour's dirty tactics going to them their asking our labour's dirty tacticswell,g to them their asking our labour's dirty tacticswell, joining them their asking our labour's dirty tacticswell, joining me em their asking our labour's dirty tacticswell, joining me nowheir asking our labour's dirty tacticswell, joining me now isir asking our labour's dirty tacticswell, joining me now is gb lead? well, joining me now is gb news contributor former news contributor and former brexit party mep, martin

daubney, labourlist daubney, a former labourlist edhon daubney, a former labourlist editor. peter edwards , and editor. peter edwards, and former labour mp stephen pound. right. so let's see what your thoughts are. well, let's go to the people that are here then. they've where's boxes? they've gone. where's the boxes? little right . well i'll little boxes, right. well i'll start. well to one start. might as well go to one of i'll start with of you then. i'll start with you, yeah, think you, martin. yeah, i do think is— you, martin. yeah, i do think is inpacring— max " yeah, i do think it's impacting negatively upon the it's impacting negatively upon rne iapour— it's impacting negatively upon the labour-there- it's impacting negatively upon the labour there was the labour party. there was a pori— the labour party. there was a poii our— the labour party. there was a poll out yesterday times poll out yesterday in the times nnicn— poll out yesterday in the times which-showing— poll out yesterday in the times which-showing a— poll out yesterday in the times which showing a surprise which is showing a surprise ponce— which is showing a surprise bounce-rishi— which is showing a surprise bounce rishi sunak, and i bounce for rishi sunak, and i ininn— bounce for rishi sunak, and i ininn inaus— bounce for rishi sunak, and i think that's partly as consequence to do with the fact inan— consequence to do with the fact inai — consequence to do with the fact that we're used— consequence to do with the fact that we're used to— consequence to do with the fact that we're used to politics being— that we're used to politics being relatively polite in nrirain— being relatively polite in nriiain .— being relatively polite in britain . these adverts came in britain. these adverts came in because— britain. these adverts came in because ine— britain. these adverts came in because the labour party took advice— because the labour party took advice from — because the labour party took advice from joe— because the labour party took advice from joe biden's canpaign. — advice from joe biden's campaign. democrats in america, nnicn— campaign. democrats in america, nnicn poiiiics— campaign. democrats in america, which politics is— campaign. democrats in america, which politics is much dirtier ine— which politics is much dirtier over the attack.— which politics is much dirtier over the attack. videos below ine— over the attack. videos below rne peri— over the attack. videos below rne peii pan— over the attack. videos below the belt part of— over the attack. videos below the belt part of their political curency anu— the belt part of their political currency and also in australia nnere— currency and also in australia nnere iney— currency and also in australia nnere iney ao— currency and also in australia where they do the same. but nriiain— where they do the same. but britain isn't— where they do the same. but britain isn't quite like that. i ininn— britain isn't quite like that. i ininn ine— britain isn't quite like that. i think the old— britain isn't quite like that. i think the old adage when you scan— think the old adage when you scan praying— think the old adage when you start playing the— think the old adage when you start playing the man and not the start playing the man and not rne pair— start playing the man and not rne paii .— start playing the man and not the ball , you've— start playing the man and not the ball , you've lost the match. the ball, you've lost the match. scanner— the ball, you've lost the match. starmer always _ the ball, you've lost the match. starmer always said the labour party— starmer always said the labour

rany nee— starmer always said the labour rany ine— starmer always said the labour party were the be _ starmer always said the labour party were the be kind party. they— party were the be kind party. iney niii— party were the be kind party. iney niii keep— party were the be kind party. they will keep politics out of the they will keep politics out of rne guiier. — they will keep politics out of the gutter. i'm— they will keep politics out of the gutter. i'm afraid they've aescenaeu— the gutter. i'm afraid they've descended into _ the gutter. i'm afraid they've descended into the gutter with this descended into the gutter with inis ana— descended into the gutter with inis and i— descended into the gutter with this and i hope— descended into the gutter with this and i hope it— descended into the gutter with this and i hope it does backfire because— this and i hope it does backfire because in— this and i hope it does backfire because i'm no— this and i hope it does backfire because i'm no fan of rishi sunan. — because i'm no fan of rishi sunan. nui— because i'm no fan of rishi sunak. but the _ because i'm no fan of rishi sunak. but the one thing he is ne-s— sunak. but the one thing he is ne-s a— sunak. but the one thing he is ne-s a ueceni— sunak. but the one thing he is he's a decent man. he cares aboun— he's a decent man. he cares apoui ine— he's a decent man. he cares about the country and the ads nee-— about the country and the ads nee- or— about the country and the ads were-. of course,- about the country and the ads were . of course, he were false. of course, he aoesn-i— were false. of course, he doesn't want— were false. of course, he doesn't want to - were false. of course, he doesn't want to keep out of pair.— doesn't want to keep out of pair. ine— doesn't want to keep out of pair. ine aus— doesn't want to keep out of jail. the ads were revolting and iney— jail. the ads were revolting and iney aesernea— jail. the ads were revolting and they deserved to— jail. the ads were revolting and they deserved to backfire . they deserved to backfire. rarer— they deserved to backfire. peter edwards— they deserved to backfire. peter edwards i'm- they deserved to backfire. peter edwards i'm not- they deserved to backfire. peter edwards i'm not sure they've backfired. labour has still they've backfired. labour has sriii gor— they've backfired. labour has sriii goi a— they've backfired. labour has still got a double— they've backfired. labour has still got a double digit- f ”cc labour has still got a double digit poll reari— still got a double digit poll read, our— still got a double digit poll lead, but and— still got a double digit poll lead, but and i— still got a double digit poll lead, but and i think there's a conpiereiy— lead, but and i think there's a completely legitimate criticism of ions— completely legitimate criticism of tories, especially cutting running— of tories, especially cutting running on— of tories, especially cutting funding on the— of tories, especially cutting funding on the ministry of justice— funding on the ministry of justice down— funding on the ministry of justice down by about 25% over nine— justice down by about 25% over years — justice down by about 25% over years our— justice down by about 25% over nine years. but i— justice down by about 25% over nine years. but i wouldn't have cosenn— nine years. but i wouldn't have cosenn inese— nine years. but i wouldn't have chosen these words. i think the persona— chosen these words. i think the personal attacks— chosen these words. i think the personal attacks ,_ chosen these words. i think the personal attacks , whether it's personal attacks, whether it's the personal attacks, whether it's rne one— personal attacks, whether it's rne nee— personal attacks, whether it's the one we're talking about or a nernepr— the one we're talking about or a rnernepr .— the one we're talking about or a rnernepr . sir— the one we're talking about or a member. sir michael fallon, ed unmana— member. sir michael fallon, ed miliband, quote— member. sir michael fallon, ed miliband, quote unquote, he snapped— miliband, quote unquote, he stabbed-brother- miliband, quote unquote, he stabbed brother in the back, stabbed his brother in the back, dania— stabbed his brother in the back, david miliband— stabbed his brother in the back, david miliband. he'd stabbed nriiain—as- david miliband. he'd stabbed britain—as well. l britain in the back as well. i ion-i— britain in the back as well. i ion-i ininn— britain in the back as well. i don't think these _ britain in the back as well. i don't think these things are good— don't think these things are goon—anu- don't think these things are goon—and ineyl don't think these things are. good—and they turn good for politics and they turn peopie— good for politics and they turn peopie on— good for politics and they turn people off voting. we more people off voting. we want more peopie—ne- people off voting. we want more peopie—ire nanil people to be in vote. we want more-engage- people to be in vote. we want none-engage in- more people to engage in the aenocraiic— democratic process. so i think ine— democratic process. so i think ape-5m,— democratic process. so i think inc-snuff, ii- democratic process. so i think the stuff, it doesn't the personal stuff, it doesn't get— the personal stuff, it doesn't

gei non.— the personal stuff, it doesn't ger non. i— the personal stuff, it doesn't get work. i think— the personal stuff, it doesn't get work. i think the tories nave— get work. i think the tories nave peen— get work. i think the tories nave been a— get work. i think the tories have been a disastrous for the crininai— have been a disastrous for the criminal justice _ have been a disastrous for the criminal justice system and ausieriry— criminal justice system and austerity has— criminal justice system and austerity has had a terrible impact— austerity has had a terrible impact, particularly on victims, nnicn— impact, particularly on victims, nnicn many— impact, particularly on victims, nnicn many or— impact, particularly on victims, which many of us— impact, particularly on victims, which many of us might be or we nigni— which many of us might be or we nigni nnon— which many of us might be or we might know people— which many of us might be or we might know people who've been nicrins— might know people who've been niciins in— might know people who've been victims in the— might know people who've been victims in the criminal justice sysien. — victims in the criminal justice sysien. -ininn- system. but i think there's a inferenc— system. but i think there's a different-land- system. but i think there's a different land the different way to land the point. scepnen — different way to land the point. srepnen round— different way to land the point. | stephen pound - afternoon. stephen pound good afternoon. nana look, i'm unhappy about inis. — nana look, i'm unhappy about inis. i— nana look, i'm unhappy about inis. ricer— nana look, i'm unhappy about this. i feel awkward- nana look, i'm unhappy about this. i feel awkward about this. ispoke this. i feel awkward about this. i spoke to some people in the labour party this week who said to us, look, it is working. 21 million people viewed- million people viewed this in the million people viewed this in inc-ana— million people viewed this in the-and.have- million people viewed this in. the-and.have-these the week and we have got these ino— the week and we have got these ino-apoui— the week and we have got these two-about about- the week and we have got these two about about crime and two issues about about crime and senrencing— two issues about about crime and seniencing anu— two issues about about crime and sentencing and non—dom status inro— sentencing and non—dom status inio ine— sentencing and non—dom status inio rne pupiic— sentencing and non—dom status into the public domain. but rook,— into the public domain. but ioon, as— into the public domain. but ioon, as far— into the public domain. but look, as far as— into the public domain. but look, as far as i'm concerned , look, as far as i'm concerned, ine— look, as far as i'm concerned, rne ninuie— look, as far as i'm concerned, the minute-boris- look, as far as i'm concerned, the minute boris johnson the minute that boris johnson nico— the minute that boris johnson niea io— the minute that boris johnson tried to-keir_ the minute that boris johnson tried to keir starmer with tried to link keir starmer with jenny— tried to link keir starmer with jenny savio— tried to link keir starmer with jemmy savile, we actually dived inro— jemmy savile, we actually dived inio ine— jemmy savile, we actually dived into the gutter.— jemmy savile, we actually dived into the gutter. and i just ininn— into the gutter. and i just ininn ii-s— into the gutter. and i just ininn its a— into the gutter. and i just think it's a shame if the labour party— think it's a shame if the labour rany coosens— think it's a shame if the labour party chooses to _ think it's a shame if the labour party chooses to dive in after it. party chooses to dive in after in noon,— party chooses to dive in after in noon, ine— party chooses to dive in after it. look, the question is what iney-re— it. look, the question is what iney-re-io— it. look, the question is what iney-re-io ne- it. look, the question is what they're-to melthel they're saying to me in the iapour— they're saying to me in the labour or labour party now is go hard or go none. — labour party now is go hard or go none. nni— labour party now is go hard or go home. and this— labour party now is go hard or go home. and this is what poiiiics— go home. and this is what poiirics is— go home. and this is what politics is like— go home. and this is what politics is like nowadays . if politics is like nowadays. if ine— politics is like nowadays. if inc-rain- politics is like nowadays. if the-party did,- politics is like nowadays. if the party did, as i hope the labour party did, as i hope iney— the labour party did, as i hope iney nouri— the labour party did, as i hope iney nouia say,— the labour party did, as i hope they would say, look, let's have a non—aggression— they would say, look, let's have a non—aggression pact. let's aciuaiiy— a non—aggression pact. let's actually—decentl actually do this. the decent nay.— actually do this. the decent nay—insi-

actually do this. the decent nay—pusn beenl way. let's as has just been sain— way. let's as has just been said, pray— way. let's as has just been said, piay ane— way. let's as has just been said, play the ball and not the nan—io— said, play the ball and not the nan—io-inail said, play the ball and not thei man _to .that the man who who's to say that the one— man who who's to say that the one parry— man who who's to say that the other party wouldn't do it? the propien — other party wouldn't do it? the propien is— other party wouldn't do it? the problem is that— other party wouldn't do it? the problem is that we're now we've other party wouldn't do it? the problenthe that we're now we've other party wouldn't do it? the problenthe bar. we're now we've other party wouldn't do it? the problenthe bar. we'veiow we've other party wouldn't do it? the problenthe bar. we've actuallye crossed the bar. we've actually broken— crossed the bar. we've actually broken-inan— crossed the bar. we've actually broken that barrier and broken through that barrier and in|nery— broken through that barrier and we're in very, dirty we're in a very, very dirty i— we're in a very, very dirty area. i don't— we're in a very, very dirty area. i don't like it, but your your— area. i don't like it, but your your guesrion— area. i don't like it, but your your question was quite simply, is—neii— your question was quite simply, is_well actually,- is it working? well actually, peiiene— is it working? well actually, peiiene ii— is it working? well actually, believe it.not,- is it working? well actually, believe it.not, it- is it working? well actually, believe it not, it is believe it or not, it is working. — believe it or not, it is working. people are talking aboun— working. people are talking apoui anis— working. people are talking about this and— working. people are talking about this and labour have still got about this and labour have still goilnery— about this and labour have still gorlnery, very— about this and labour have still got very, very healthy lead in got a very, very healthy lead in the got a very, very healthy lead in inc-nui— got a very, very healthy lead in inc-nun i— got a very, very healthy lead in the-but i when- got a very, very healthy lead in the-but i when i- got a very, very healthy lead in the but i when i raised the polls. but i when i raised anis— the polls. but i when i raised inis rasi— the polls. but i when i raised this last week,— the polls. but i when i raised this last week, i— the polls. but i when i raised this last week, i was told that i this last week, i was told that i nas— this last week, i was told that i being— this last week, i was told that i was being squeamish. well, -i— i was being squeamish. well, scream _i-but- i was being squeamish. well,| scream _i-but very scream jewish, i am, but very uncomfortable— scream jewish, i am, but very uncomfortable .— scream jewish, i am, but very uncomfortable . i— scream jewish, i am, but very uncomfortable . i as well. uncomfortable. i am as well. nur— uncomfortable. i am as well. nua-arena— uncomfortable. i am as well. but-aren't saying- uncomfortable. i am as well. but-aren't saying goodj but people aren't saying good things labour as but people aren't saying good trresult labour as but people aren't saying good trresult of labour as but people aren't saying good trresult of it. labour as but people aren't saying good trresult of it. thisabour as but people aren't saying good trresult of it. this isour as but people aren't saying good trresult of it. this is the as a result of it. this is the problem. whilst i not not problem. whilst i mean not not all is good publicity, all publicity is good publicity, it whilst it is just publicity. whilst we are it, didn't are all aware of it, why didn't the have do the keir starmer have to do that? why couldn't he have just spoken the policies? spoken about the policies? because spoken about the policies? becc'starmer is that we don't keir starmer is that we don't know they're so it's know what they're about. so it's all saying come all very well saying come and vote come and vote for vote with me. come and vote for me, but without telling us what we're very we're voting for. it's very difficult people decide difficult for people to decide that they would definitely go that they would definitely go that really this is that way. and he really this is really keir starmer to lose really sir keir starmer to lose because if he's that far ahead , because if he's that far ahead, why should resort to these

why should he resort to these tactics? martin, you're tactics? i mean. martin, you're nodding head. you're nodding your head. you're agreeing yeah, that's agreeing with me. yeah, that's right. and also, the additional propien—noni right. and also, the additional. problem _now faces problem that starmer now faces is-nonenr— problem that starmer now faces is-nonenr ne— problem that starmer now faces is moment he starts is at the moment he starts criricising— is at the moment he starts criticising his— is at the moment he starts criticising his opponent , then criticising his opponent, then his criticising his opponent, then nis on— criticising his opponent, then his own record— criticising his opponent, then his own record comes under incense— his own record comes under intense scrutiny. _ his own record comes under intense scrutiny. let's talk aboun— intense scrutiny. let's talk apoui .— intense scrutiny. let's talk apoui , ine— intense scrutiny. let's talk about , the grooming gang scandal about, the grooming gang scandal has about, the grooming gang scandal nas nappenea— about, the grooming gang scandal nas nappeneu on— about, the grooming gang scandal has happened on many labour counci— has happened on many labour council watchers, _ has happened on many labour council watchers, thousands of working— council watchers, thousands of working ciass— council watchers, thousands of working class white girls were systematically _ working class white girls were systematically raped and it was ruined— systematically raped and it was ruined a— systematically raped and it was turned a blind— systematically raped and it was turned a blind eye that was on a iapour— turned a blind eye that was on a iapour naicn. — turned a blind eye that was on a labour watch. not— turned a blind eye that was on a labour watch. not starmer's nucn— labour watch. not starmer's naicn pui— labour watch. not starmer's watch, but it's— labour watch. not starmer's watch, but it's a— labour watch. not starmer's watch, but it's a labor party ine— watch, but it's a labor party issue. the savile— watch, but it's a labor party issue. the savile issue that's been— issue. the savile issue that's been rained— issue. the savile issue that's been talked about today in the nai— been talked about today in the naii on— been talked about today in the mail on sunday,— been talked about today in the mail on sunday, starmer was in cnarge— mail on sunday, starmer was in cnarge pack— mail on sunday, starmer was in cnarge pack in— mail on sunday, starmer was in charge back in those days and so he charge back in those days and so ne niii— charge back in those days and so ne niii race— charge back in those days and so he will face scrutiny on that. on he will face scrutiny on that. en nioieni— he will face scrutiny on that. on violent crime— he will face scrutiny on that. on violent crime .- he will face scrutiny on that. on violent crime . london has the on violent crime. london has the noisi— on violent crime. london has the norsi econo— on violent crime. london has the worst record on— on violent crime. london has the worst record on violent crime in the worst record on violent crime in rne naiion— worst record on violent crime in the nation. that's— worst record on violent crime in the nation. that's a— worst record on violent crime in the nation. that's a labour nayorai— the nation. that's a labour mayoral watch. _ the nation. that's a labour mayoral watch. and so the propien — mayoral watch. and so the propien is— mayoral watch. and so the problem is when you start gearing— problem is when you start getting specific erg, you cannot anion— getting specific erg, you cannot now sonesi— getting specific erg, you cannot now sonesr .— getting specific erg, you cannot throw stones . if— getting specific erg, you cannot throw stones . if you live in throw stones. if you live in a green— throw stones. if you live in a green nonse— throw stones. if you live in a green house that's going to rice.— green house that's going to bite. starmer— green house that's going to bite. starmer i— green house that's going to bite. starmer i think on the bum ion-z— bite. starmer i think on the bum era-z inaus— bite. starmer i think on the bum era-z inar-s a— bite. starmer i think on the bum ba.2 that's a little— bite. starmer i think on the bum ba.2 that's a little bit stream of consciousness. " ba.2 that's a little bit stream of consciousness. i mean, when keir starmer was of keir starmer was director of the crown service , the crown prosecution service, the conviction for serious conviction rate for serious sexual offences up . of

sexual offences went up. of course, there are lots of issues in london. i'm particularly concerned crime and concerned about knife crime and gun london, but we have concerned about knife crime and gutalk london, but we have concerned about knife crime and gutalk about london, but we have concerned about knife crime and gutalk about whonn, but we have to talk about why that's happening. for example , the happening. so, for example, the number of police that number of police stations that have or have been closed and or exhaustion among police and insufficient funding of the police and so on and so on. you know, i don't think it's appropriate or realistic to lay everything at feet of the everything at the feet of the london the money london mayor because the money comes government, comes from central government, particularly money money for particularly the money money for police storm was police officers. the storm was blaming why can't we blaming sunak. so why can't we inane— blaming sunak. so why can't we inane inane— blaming sunak. so why can't we blame blame who's— blaming sunak. so why can't we blame blame who's in- g so why can't we blame blame who's in charge of its blame blame who's in charge of ins-narcn. — blame blame who's in charge of its-watch. _the. its labour? watch. that's the poini. — its labour? watch. that's the poinr. nnen — its labour? watch. that's the point. when you— its labour? watch. that's the point. when you get personal, nnen— point. when you get personal, inen in— point. when you get personal, then i'm afraid— point. when you get personal, then i'm afraid that becomes the cnency or— then i'm afraid that becomes the currency of political interaction. - currency of political interaction. it gets dirty and it interaction. it gets dirty and ii non-i— interaction. it gets dirty and i wont gei— interaction. it gets dirty and it won't get better . you know, it won't get better. you know, iapour— it won't get better. you know, iapour are— it won't get better. you know, labour are always the party who said— labour are always the party who said .— labour are always the party who said , rer-s— labour are always the party who said , let's-kind,— labour are always the party who said , let's kind, let's be said, let's be kind, let's be noieraie— said, let's be kind, let's be moderate, let's— said, let's be kind, let's be moderate, let's be that's moderate, let's be nice. that's conpiereiy— moderate, let's be nice. that's completely thrown in the completely been thrown in the bin completely been thrown in the pin-campaign. - completely been thrown in the bin campaign. ennis bin by this campaign. well, i crink— bin by this campaign. well, i think—unwise think we all agree it's unwise to personalise but on your to personalise it, but on your particular point, the funding for from central for police comes from central government, not from the london mayor. yeah, spend mayor. yeah, but how you spend inan— mayor. yeah, but how you spend inai—penanei that money the way you behave, is-you— that money the way you behave, is-you .— that money the way you behave, is-you . siepnen- that money the way you behave, is you . stephen pound is down to you. stephen pound i nave— is down to you. stephen pound i nave ro— is down to you. stephen pound i nave no say,— is down to you. stephen pound i nave no say, i— is down to you. stephen pound i have to say, i never— is down to you. stephen pound i have to say, i never ever said

rer-s— have to say, i never ever said ier-s pe— have to say, i never ever said let's be moderate,- have to say, i never ever said let's be moderate, let's be inac— let's be moderate, let's be nice. that was- let's be moderate, let's be nice. that was not- let's be moderate, let's be nice. that was not the way i ever did politics. but look, i work keir starmer in the work with keir starmer in the north of ireland and have north of ireland and i have to say of the hardest north of ireland and i have to say anywhere of the hardest north of ireland and i have to say anywhere inf the hardest north of ireland and i have to say anywhere in thee hardest north of ireland and i have to say anywhere in the united st jobs anywhere in the united kingdom. prosecutor in kingdom. being a prosecutor in northern ireland. he did it northern ireland. and he did it brilliantly. i have brilliantly. he was a man i have utmost considerable respect for. but look, i to say on these but look, i have to say on these these about , you these other issues about, you know, sort of dragging it down into you know, i'm into the gutter, you know, i'm sorry, i don't like it. but on the other hand, people going the other hand, people are going to there's no question to do it. there's no question about absolutely about that. there's absolutely no to no question it's going to happen. if we i would much happen. so if we i would much rather be occupying the moral high i mean, you know, high ground. i mean, you know, people you rang people used to say when you rang tony the phone, he tony blair on the phone, he said, you know, leave your message high moral said, you know, leave your messrlje high moral said, you know, leave your mess.i mean, high moral said, you know, leave your mess.i mean, high rwe've tone. i mean, you know, we've been we've tried it. and been there. we've tried it. and the is there's the real difficulty is there's too people will actually too many people will actually drag gutter. drag us down into the gutter. but about , you but look, you say about, you know, we should be talking about our policies more people are talking today talking at the moment today about these policies than would have had it not been for have been had it not been for these dreadful that have these dreadful adverts that have gone to a large extent, gone out. so to a large extent, more people are working. yes, but you if balance it but but if you if balance it apoui—

but but if you if balance it about more— but but if you if balance it about more people talking about more people are talking apoui— about more people are talking apoui ine— about more people are talking about the adverts and talking aboun— about the adverts and talking about-policies,- about the adverts and talking about policies, know, about the policies, you know, nnye— why? because we don't know what iney—wna- why? because we don't know what iney—nnai ne- why? because we don't know what they—what we wanti they are and that's what we want to they are and that's what we want ro-ne— they are and that's what we want io-iie nann— they are and that's what we want to _we want-what. to hear. we want to hear what ineir— to hear. we want to hear what their policies— to hear. we want to hear what their policies are— to hear. we want to hear what their policies are out of to hear. we want to hear what theiears. es are out of to hear. we want to hear what theiears. itsere out of to hear. we want to hear what theiears. out of to hear. we want to hear what theiears. mt; out of to hear. we want to hear what theiears. mt; srzflif our ears. but what are they? policies a at? policies can shake a stick at? well, let's let's. peter, peter, give— well, let's let's. peter, peter, give us— well, let's let's. peter, peter, give us give— well, let's let's. peter, peter, give us give us— well, let's let's. peter, peter, give us give us three policies of give us give us three policies or-inai— give us give us three policies of-that they've- give us give us three policies of that they've recently give us give us three policies of up that they've recently give us give us three policies of up with. they've recently give us give us three policies of up with. wellve recently give us give us three policies of up with. well the ecently give us give us three policies of up with. well the policy. come up with. well the policy. no,— come up with. well the policy. no-no— come up with. well the policy. noy-no .— come up with. well the policy. noy-no . ask- come up with. well the policy. no,-no . ask peter.- come up with. well the policy. no, no . ask peter. peter no, no, no, no. ask peter. peter sienn— no, no, no, no. ask peter. peter siern. eeren— no, no, no, no. ask peter. peter stern. peter i've— no, no, no, no. ask peter. peter stern. peter i've been doing cniiacare— stern. peter i've been doing cniiacare a— stern. peter i've been doing childcare a week, so i haven't been— childcare a week, so i haven't been-inan— childcare a week, so i haven't been-inai. - childcare a week, so i haven't been-inai. i- childcare a week, so i haven't been _that. i haven't been reading that. i haven't been— been reading that. i haven't been reading that. i haven't been reading a do you want me to give both do it. i said give you one? both do it. i said nice. — give you one? both do it. i said nice. iii— give you one? both do it. i said three. i'll give— give you one? both do it. i said three. i'll give you one example that raise this that you raise on this channel a lot. you know, boats lot. you know, small boats crisis cut the backlog erg greater cooperation with france and a new force goes across the home office and the police . home office and the police. yeah, great new regulator for the industry . and you actually the industry. and you actually nave— the industry. and you actually nave ine— the industry. and you actually nave rne you— the industry. and you actually have the you bring— : and you actually have the you bring the utilities pack— have the you bring the utilities pack-pubic— have the you bring the utilitiesi back-public_get back into public ownership, get rid back into public ownership, get iii-nonse— back into public ownership, get iii-house or— back into public ownership, get rid house of lords. wow rid of the house of lords. wow co,— rid of the house of lords. wow so. so— rid of the house of lords. wow so. so char-s— rid of the house of lords. wow so, so that's the— rid of the house of lords. wow so, so that's the problem.- rid of the house of lords. wow so, so that's the problem. we don't know anything new about laboun don't know anything new about labour. say thank labour. i've got to say thank you martin daubney you very much to martin daubney , peter edwards and also stephen pound. much. well, pound. thank you so much. well, you're i'm nana v you're with me. i'm nana roe v wade. fast wade. this is gb news. it's fast approaching. minutes after approaching. 33 minutes after 4:00. live on tv, online

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next good afternoon. if you just joined me, where have you been? it's okay. it's fine. we've still quite a lot to come. still got quite a lot to come. this is gb news. we're on tv, onune this is gb news. we're on tv, online digital radio . i'm online and on digital radio. i'm nana to our nana akua. we return to our great british debate this hour, and asking, labour's and i'm asking, are labour's dirty to cost them dirty tactics going to cost them their lead? so keir starmer has been facing criticism for the ads social media. the one ads on social media. the one that rishi sunak that claimed that rishi sunak and tories soft on crime and the tories are soft on crime and the tories are soft on crime and sexual abuse. the labour leader says that he regrets nothing , but the issue seems to nothing, but the issue seems to be denting the party's consistent or 20 point lead. so that's why i'm asking you this question. do you think that the labour tactics are labour party's tactics are actually cost them actually going to cost them that? my panel that? let's see what my panel make joining me now is make of that. joining me now is author and broadcaster christine hamilton, a journalist and hamilton, also a journalist and broadcaster kelly. broadcaster danny kelly. christine well, it seems to be having to me those i mean, i thought they were horrendous, especially when they started attacking rishi sunak wife. i

thought that was below the belt . severai— thought that was below the belt . several things— thought that was below the belt . several things i— thought that was below the belt . several things i think are going— . several things i think are going io— . several things i think are going ro genr— . several things i think are going to dent their lead. first of going to dent their lead. first or-i-n— going to dent their lead. first or-i-n-a— going to dent their lead. first of. i'm .a massive - going to dent their lead. first of i'm a massive fan of of all, i'm not a massive fan of icisni— of all, i'm not a massive fan of icisni-pui— of all, i'm not a massive fan of icisni-pur ne— of all, i'm not a massive fan of rishi-but he he- of all, i'm not a massive fan of rishi but he he comes rishi sunak, but he he comes ne— rishi sunak, but he he comes over. he transparently decent over. he is transparently decent person— over. he is transparently decent person anu— over. he is transparently decent person and i— over. he is transparently decent person and i think— over. he is transparently decent person and i think people are beginning— person and i think people are beginning io— person and i think people are beginning to realise that. and if beginning to realise that. and in ne— beginning to realise that. and in ne can— beginning to realise that. and in ne ger— beginning to realise that. and if he can get if— beginning to realise that. and if he can get if he can stop the ioans— if he can get if he can stop the boats,.course,_ if he can get if he can stop the boats,.course, if— if he can get if he can stop the boats,.course, if he- if he can get if he can stop the boats, course, if he can get boats, of course, if he can get iniiaiion— boats, of course, if he can get inflation down _ boats, of course, if he can get inflation down and people begin to inflation down and people begin io-nore— inflation down and people begin to more comfortable to feel more comfortable in ineir— to feel more comfortable in nnen-.— to feel more comfortable in ppgp.-, ir-s— to feel more comfortable in their-, it's the- to feel more comfortable in- their-, it's the economy, their wallets, it's the economy, siupia. — their wallets, it's the economy, siupia. ine— their wallets, it's the economy, stupid. the economy , stupid. but stupid. the economy, stupid. but no, stupid. the economy, stupid. but no-inose— stupid. the economy, stupid. but no-inose-ao- no, i think those ads do backfire.— no, i think those ads do backfire. and- no, i think those ads do backfire. and i'm glad to see iapour-s— backfire. and i'm glad to see iapour-s .— backfire. and i'm glad to see iapour-s . ii— backfire. and i'm glad to see labour's . it was— backfire. and i'm glad to see labour's . it was bound to dent labour's. it was bound to dent a pin — labour's. it was bound to dent a pic i— labour's. it was bound to dent a pic i mean— labour's. it was bound to dent a bit. i mean, that— labour's. it was bound to dent a bit. i mean, that ridiculous reari— bit. i mean, that ridiculous ieaa iney— bit. i mean, that ridiculous lead they had— bit. i mean, that ridiculous lead they had a- bit. i mean, that ridiculous lead they had a while ago couian-r— lead they had a while ago couldn't people are lead they had a while ago- couldn't-people are now couldn't last and people are now beginning— couldn't last and people are now beginning-examine— couldn't last and people are now beginning examine labour's beginning to examine labour's poiicies— beginning to examine labour's policiesthereas_ beginning to examine labour's policies whereas previously policies, whereas previously all iapour— policies, whereas previously all iapour-ao— policies, whereas previously all labour- do was- policies, whereas previously all labour do was sort of labour had to do was sort of keep— labour had to do was sort of keep-keep— labour had to do was sort of keep-keep their- labour had to do was sort of keep keep their more keep quiet, keep their more controversial— keep quiet, keep their more controversial people under connoi— controversial people under control, keep— controversial people under control, keep the lid on them, nnicn— control, keep the lid on them, nnicn iney— control, keep the lid on them, which they managed to do. for exanpie— which they managed to do. for eaanpie, iney— which they managed to do. for example, they put corbyn back inro— example, they put corbyn back inc-pui— example, they put corbyn back inio-pur no— example, they put corbyn back into - but now they - into his box, but now they carry— into his box, but now they reaiiy are— into his box, but now they really are beginning to focus ana— really are beginning to focus analnean— really are beginning to focus and mean, corbyn is so and i mean, corbyn is so nassineiy— and i mean, corbyn is so massively lacklustre and boring, nes— massively lacklustre and boring, ne-s—ro— massively lacklustre and boring, ne-s—io in- massively lacklustre and boring,| he's—to in starmer. he's never going to in starmer. scanner— he's never going to in starmer. scarner inn— he's never going to in starmer. scarner in so— he's never going to in starmer. starmer i'm so sorry. _ he's never going to in starmer. starmer i'm so sorry. starmer. he's never rishi sunak isn't exacriy— he's never rishi sunak isn't exaciiy a— he's never rishi sunak isn't exactly a rabble— he's never rishi sunak isn't exactly a rabble rouser, is he?

i exactly a rabble rouser, is he? i mem— exactly a rabble rouser, is he? i .— exactly a rabble rouser, is he? i . ir-s— exactly a rabble rouser, is he? i mean , it's difficult- exactly a rabble rouser, is he? i mean , it's difficult to- exactly a rabble rouser, is he? i mean , it's difficult to choose i mean, it's difficult to choose between them. neither of them is terribly inspiring, but i think and i do. by the way, you were raining— and i do. by the way, you were talking earlier— and i do. by the way, you were talking earlier about- a�*r: r:r:::r by the way, you were talking earlier about them ariacning— talking earlier about them attacking starmer for the suite— attacking starmer for the saville thing. _ attacking starmer for the saville thing. he was in charge nnen— saville thing. he was in charge when saville— saville thing. he was in charge when saville was— saville thing. he was in charge when saville was overlooked . when saville was overlooked. ir-s— when saville was overlooked. is ari— when saville was overlooked. is aii anu— when saville was overlooked. it's all and nobody is saying inan— it's all and nobody is saying inai .— it's all and nobody is saying inai , inan— it's all and nobody is saying that , that he— it's all and nobody is saying that , that he knew was that, that he knew what was nappening— that, that he knew what was nappening ana— that, that he knew what was happening and did nothing. but he happening and did nothing. but ne musi— happening and did nothing. but ne musr nave— happening and did nothing. but he must have known quite lot he must have known quite a lot going— he must have known quite a lot going on— he must have known quite a lot was going on. and— he must have known quite a lot was going on. and think he was going on. and i think he goes— was going on. and i think he goes pear— was going on. and i think he does bear some— was going on. and i think he does bear some responsibility for does bear some responsibility nor-nen.— does bear some responsibility for-well,-can't- does bear some responsibility for-well,-can't sayj for that. well, you can't say claim that other people bear responsibility when they're overseeing something. but not but not him. no they're not you. so is either one way or the so it is either one way or the other. and he's to do other. and if he's going to do these tactics, he's got to these tactics, then he's got to accept come back after it. accept it or come back after it. yeah, signature really did yeah, the signature really did it i yeah, the signature really did ii-i rnougnr- yeah, the signature really did it-i thought that. it for me. i thought that was really spiteful. rishi sunak signature . it's he's signature. it's like he's signing that 4500 in dodge signing off that 4500 in dodge prison. you see, that's the real kicker for me. and if keir starmer, if he's trying to win swing voters over, i think he's going about it the wrong way. now hard core labour, they hate the tories , you know, he can put the tories, you know, he can put

whatever he wants on a on a on an a4 pamphlet. still an a4 pamphlet. they'll still vote despise vote labour because they despise pathologically anything to do with you with conservatism. but if you are swing voter and if it's a are a swing voter and if it's a toss of a coin between labour and conservative and if you're a decent human being , you will decent human being, you will know that that's being snidey thatis know that that's being snidey that is being nasty. i mean, like , you know,— that is being nasty. i mean, like , you know, as- that is being nasty. i mean, like , you know, as if,- g i mean, like , you know, as if, as if like, you know, as if, as if icisni— like, you know, as if, as if rishi sunak— like, you know, as if, as if rishi sunak he's got daughters, aslne— rishi sunak he's got daughters, aslne-nor— rishi sunak he's got daughters, aslhe-not want- rishi sunak he's got daughters, aslhe _not want to - rishi sunak he's got daughters, as he not want to lock as if he would not want to lock up cniia— as if he would not want to lock up cniiu se— as if he would not want to lock up child sex offenders. we all nam— up child sex offenders. we all nani-inem— up child sex offenders. we all nani-rnem up.- up child sex offenders. we all want them up. it's like, want to lock them up. it's like, of want to lock them up. it's like, or—ine- of course we do. the most nonsense-that- of course we do. the most- nonsense-that-saying, nonsense thing that he's saying, especiaiiy— nonsense thing that he's saying, especiaiiy-onn- nonsense thing that he's saying, especially own record especially given his own record as ine— especially given his own record as me neari— especially given his own record as the head of— especially given his own record as the head of it,— especially given his own record as the head of it, is ridiculous to as the head of it, is ridiculous no me— as the head of it, is ridiculous no me as— as the head of it, is ridiculous no me as nua— as the head of it, is ridiculous to me as bud light, budweiser using— to me as bud light, budweiser using pyian— to me as bud light, budweiser using dylan mulvaney. " using dylan mulvaney. i mean, cnar— using dylan mulvaney. i mean, mar nas— using dylan mulvaney. i mean, that has really— using dylan mulvaney. i mean, that has really backfired in their in their face. and they've lost zillions of pounds as a result. so let's hope the same will happen. but don't forget iapour— will happen. but don't forget labour voting— will happen. but don't forget labour voting voter,- a " but don't forget labour voting voter, the iioaiing — labour voting voter, the floating voter- labour voting voter, the floating voter will hate that. of floating voter will hate that. or couse— floating voter will hate that. of course they— floating voter will hate that. of course they will. ' r: ”it; of course they will. and they're the ones that they've they've both got to win over. but don't forget, both got to win over. but don't forget iapour— both got to win over. but don't forget, labour tend _ both got to win over. but don't forget, labour tend to- grin " but don't forget, labour tend to be on the sine— forget, labour tend to be on the side or— forget, labour tend to be on the side of treating— forget, labour tend to be on the side of treating people fairly ana— side of treating people fairly and being— side of treating people fairly and being. kind - side of treating people fairly and being kind be kind. and being the kind be kind. inaus— and being the kind be kind. that's-hashtag- and being the kind be kind.- that's-hashtagikind that's it. yeah. hashtag be kind is-nasniag— that's it. yeah. hashtag be kind is-nasniag pe—

that's it. yeah. hashtag be kind is-hashtag be kind- that's it. yeah. hashtag be kind is hashtag be kind and is full of hashtag be kind and rook— is full of hashtag be kind and iook ai— is full of hashtag be kind and iook ai non— is full of hashtag be kind and look at how nasty he's going. noon— look at how nasty he's going. ioon non— look at how nasty he's going. look how deep— look at how nasty he's going. look how deep down terribly reprehensible.— look how deep down terribly reprehensible. it's unforgivable . i reprehensible. it's unforgivable . i go— reprehensible. it's unforgivable . i go pack— reprehensible. it's unforgivable . i go pack ro— reprehensible. it's unforgivable . i go back to the— reprehensible. it's unforgivable . i go back to the signature. i keep— . i go back to the signature. i keep going— . i go back to the signature. i keep going pack— . i go back to the signature. i keep going back to this signarure. — keep going back to this signature. noticed it? oh that's massive. that's— signature. noticed it? oh that's massive. that's massive. the raci— massive. that's massive. the raci inap— massive. that's massive. the raci inai ne— massive. that's massive. the fact that he is— massive. that's massive. the fact that he is signing off all of fact that he is signing off all or anis— fact that he is signing off all of this loophole— fact that he is signing off all of this loophole for x terms. per— of this loophole for x terms. iei me— of this loophole for x terms. iei me sign— of this loophole for x terms. let me sign it— of this loophole for x terms. let me sign it off. going free. per— let me sign it off. going free. iei me— let me sign it off. going free. iei me sign— let me sign it off. going free. iei me sign ii— let me sign it off. going free. let me sign it off.— let me sign it off. going free. let me sign it off. i think mar-s— let me sign it off. i think inar-s ine— let me sign it off. i think that's the real- let me sign it off. i think that's the real unforgivable. knu— that's the real unforgivable. and i— that's the real unforgivable. and i mink— that's the real unforgivable. and i think it's— that's the real unforgivable. and i think it's very- that's the real unforgivable. and i think it's very clever on the of labour because you the part of labour because you look at that, there it is on the screens those who are screens for those who are watching on television, you look at you oh, at that and you think, oh, that's rishi, and that's a message from rishi, and if it too if you don't read it too carefully, you might get exactly the impression labour are the impression that labour are trying isn't it funny trying to. but isn't it funny that sort of draws that everyone sort of draws different things from it? because nana you, you sort different things from it? - because nana you, you sort of ine— because nana you, you sort of me signaiure— because nana you, you sort of the signature oblivious the signature you were oblivious to the signature you were oblivious io-signaiure— the signature you were oblivious ro-signarure i— the signature you were oblivious to-signature i just- the signature you were oblivious to signature i just got. to the signature i just got. ism-i— to the signature i just got. isn-i ii— to the signature i just got. isn't it funny— to the signature i just got. isn't it funny all pick isn't it funny that we all pick on different— isn't it funny that we all pick on different-i- isn't it funny that we all pick on different-i saw- isn't it funny that we all pick on different i saw was on different things i saw was insi— on different things i saw was just—but. on different things i saw was. pusn—pup ion-i just the message, but but don't forger— just the message, but but don't iorgei—srupia- just the message, but but don't rorgei—siupia .- just the message, but but don't forget stupid . back forget also, i'm so stupid. back in-i— forget also, i'm so stupid. back in-i knon— forget also, i'm so stupid. back in-i know this— forget also, i'm so stupid. back in-i know this has- forget also, i'm so stupid. back in i know this has been in 1997. i know this has been said— in 1997. i know this has been said perore— in 1997. i know this has been said before, know, the said before, but you know, the ropes— said before, but you know, the tories-saatchi - said before, but you know, the tories saatchi saatchi said before, but you know, the tthey saatchi saatchi said before, but you know, the tthey sa the i saatchi said before, but you know, the tthey sa the demonicitchi said before, but you know, the tthey sa the demonic tony . they put out the demonic tony prair— . they put out the demonic tony piair posien— . they put out the demonic tony blair poster, so— . they put out the demonic tony blair poster, so removed blair poster, so they removed his blair poster, so they removed ms..— blair poster, so they removed nis- po— blair poster, so they removed nis- po you— blair poster, so they removed his . do you remember that? his eyes. do you remember that? yes,—

his eyes. do you remember that? res-pup— his eyes. do you remember that? res-pup you— his eyes. do you remember that? yes,-but you know- his eyes. do you remember that? yes, .but you know that- yes, sir. but you know that lizzie cundy's was the lizzie cundy's father was the person who was behind that campaign. so. person who was behind that campaign . so. right. so he's campaign. so. right. so he's from— campaign. so. right. so he's from saatchi _ campaign. so. right. so he's from saatchi saatchi- f q so. right. so he's from saatchi saatchi . wow. from saatchi saatchi. wow. such a . from saatchi saatchi. wow. such a—. pup— from saatchi saatchi. wow. such a—. pup inap- a clever thing. but that backfired— a clever thing. but that backfired because, of course , backfired because, of course, iney— backfired because, of course, iney prouucea— backfired because, of course, they produced that amazing ad, but they produced that amazing ad, pup-isn-r— they produced that amazing ad, but-isn't working,- they produced that amazing ad, but isn't working, which but labour isn't working, which is-san— but labour isn't working, which is-saw thatcher- but labour isn't working, which is saw thatcher come in on is what saw thatcher come in on a gear— is what saw thatcher come in on a gear pouna— is what saw thatcher come in on a gear pond in— is what saw thatcher come in on a great pound in 1979. that was one-insp— a great pound in 1979. that was one first the really one of the first of the really negative. yeah, but he's doubled nonn— negative. yeah, but he's doubled down-starmer— g yeah, but he's doubled down. starmer doubled down. keir starmer doubled down non—refused- down. keir starmer doubled down now—refused to- now hasn't he. he refused to pack— now hasn't he. he refused to pack nonn— now hasn't he. he refused to back down on— now hasn't he. he refused to back down on this one. i think personaiiy— back down on this one. i think personaiiy ne— back down on this one. i think personally he can't down personally he can't back down ipougp— personally he can't back down though-problem- personally he can't back down though. problem with this though. the problem with this is this though. the problem with this is ins-kinks— though. the problem with this is this-links with— though. the problem with this is this-links with the- though. the problem with this is this links with the fact this sort of links with the fact inap— this sort of links with the fact mar-cann— this sort of links with the fact inai-can-i say- this sort of links with the fact that can't say what a that then he can't say what a woman-inai. - that then he can't say what a woman _that. - that then he can't say what a woman _that. it'si woman is and all that. it's pike.— woman is and all that. it's pike-on.— woman is and all that. it's like,-on, these- woman is and all that. it's. like,-on, these-basic like, come on, these are basic things them things and you're messing them up.and things and you're messing them up. and so i don't think i can trust to lead country. trust him to lead the country. no. that no. what is interesting is that quite number of his quite a large number of his colleagues, senior colleagues have not endorsed it. they haven't retweeted - have not endorsed it. they haven't retweeted it- have not endorsed it. they haven't retweeted it .- e they haven't retweeted it . they haven't retweeted it. they maven-i— haven't retweeted it. they- haven't-endorsement on haven't put their endorsement on it, haven't put their endorsement on n, nnicn— haven't put their endorsement on n, nnicn-inap— haven't put their endorsement on it, which _that a— haven't put their endorsement on it, which _that a lot- haven't put their endorsement on it, which that a lot of it, which shows that a lot of mem — it, which shows that a lot of mem inery— it, which shows that a lot of them very unhappy with. them are very unhappy with. i mink— them are very unhappy with. i ppink its— them are very unhappy with. i pink is going— them are very unhappy with. i think it's going-backfire. . think it's going to backfire. i've before. if was think it's going to backfire. i"constituent,3efore. if was think it's going to backfire. i"constituent, itfore. if was think it's going to backfire. i"constituent, i would: was think it's going to backfire. i"constituent, i would think; think it's going to backfire. i"constituent, i would think of a constituent, i would think of two with starmer. two things with keir starmer. i would think of that photograph of the knee. yeah. of him taking the knee. yeah. well done. yeah. in it is either in offices or at home with

in his offices or at home with those incredibly high ceilings, high means that you're high ceilings means that you're living big grand living in a in a big grand house, way. and i'd house, by the way. and also, i'd think posters well. think of these posters as well. let's see what you think this think of these posters as well. let's slt'swhat you think this let's sit's nothingi think this let's sit's nothing without this let's sit's nothing without you s show. it's nothing without you anu— show. it's nothing without you amp-views.— show. it's nothing without you and -views. let's - show. it's nothing without you and views. let's welcome and your views. let's welcome oi— and your views. let's welcome one of our great— and your views. let's welcome one of our great british voices one of our great british voicesi on—ine on the opportunity to be on the spon— on the opportunity to be on the porous-— on the opportunity to be on the nonus- nnai- on the opportunity to be on the show-us what they- on the opportunity to be on the show us what they think show and tell us what they think apoui— show and tell us what they think apoui ine— show and tell us what they think about the _we're - about the topics we're discussing. _ about the topics we're discussing. we go discussing. we wish we go we go to discussing. we wish we go we go io—niuianus.- to solihull, west midlands. per-s— to solihull, west midlands. iei-s pane— to solihull, west midlands. let's have-with- to solihull, west midlands. let's have with brian let's have a chat with brian puggan— let's have a chat with brian puggan-neiio- let's have a chat with brian duggan.-hello .- let's have a chat with brian duggan. hello . do they duggan. dukes hello. do they capi— duggan. dukes hello. do they caii you— duggan. dukes hello. do they call you dukes?— duggan. dukes hello. do they call you dukes? do you make that increa— call you dukes? do you make that ineree naype— call you dukes? do you make that there? maybe not. _ call you dukes? do you make that there? maybe not. they don't do no. there? maybe not. they don't do no-uo— there? maybe not. they don't do no-ao inane— there? maybe not. they don't do no.-do that? all- there? maybe not. they don't do no. do that? all right, no. do they do that? all right, prian—pig- brian, you've grown a big mousiacpe— brian, you've grown a big moustache. was in a week. moustache. that was in a week. prian— moustache. that was in a week. prian park— moustache. that was in a week. prian iaik ro— moustache. that was in a week. brian, talk to me— moustache. that was in a week. brian, talk to me .— moustache. that was in a week. brian, talk to me . what do you brian, talk to me. what do you mink— brian, talk to me. what do you inink apour— brian, talk to me. what do you think about this— brian, talk to me. what do you think about this ? pa"? think about this? hi, nana. near.— think about this? hi, nana. yeah, well, i mean, it's interesting that that that keir starmer who has been sometimes lampooned a little bit for being a kind of bastion of civility, is now kind of almost being demonised for being with the dogs. um um, i think , look, it's dogs. um um, i think, look, it's interesting in terms of the debate there, christine de—man and danny referred to the to the saville incident, shall we say ,

saville incident, shall we say, when starmer was director of the dpp and supposedly didn't go after saville. it's just untrue . and that's where this all started . boris johnson made that started. boris johnson made that claim and it's an untruth . and claim and it's an untruth. and now that labour are going to fight fire with fire, suddenly, you know , keir starmer is you know, keir starmer is reprehensible . well, listen, reprehensible. well, listen, i don't buy it. and that's not to say that i go along with kind of this kind of dirty politics, if you like . i don't think it does you like. i don't think it does the country any good. i don't think it does people's lives any good. think it does people's lives any good . we shouldn't really be good. we shouldn't really be going to these places at all. we should be debating the issues that mean so much and that that that mean so much and that are so important that we have to address nation . but but but address as a nation. but but but i think to single out keir starmer for this, i think listen, we we're we're definitely on a one track mind

if we're doing it doing it that way. well, if we're doing it doing it that way . well, listen, brian, thank way. well, listen, brian, thank you— way. well, listen, brian, thank you so— way. well, listen, brian, thank you so mucn— way. well, listen, brian, thank you so much for— well, listen, brian, thank you so much for your thoughts. it's you so much for your thoughts. its good— you so much for your thoughts. its good io— you so much for your thoughts. it's good to see— you so much for your thoughts. it's good to see you. this brian puggan— it's good to see you. this brian puggan-ekira- it's good to see you. this brian puggan-ekrra pig- duggan with an extra big moustache.— duggan with an extra big moustache. quite moustache. i'd grown that quite guickiy. — moustache. i'd grown that quite guickiy. -iippie— moustache. i'd grown that quite quickly. _little like- quickly. it's a little like santa sunday single santa claus next sunday single out starmer because he's out keir starmer because he's the figurehead. i mean, that's why— the figurehead. i mean, that's wny—kisni i why they're going for rishi pecase— why they're going for rishi because of because he's the figurehead of the because he's the figurehead of nne—io- because he's the figurehead of nne—no go- because he's the figurehead of nne—no go anui the tories. you have to go and singie— the tories. you have to go and singie our— the tories. you have to go and single out stuff. _ the tories. you have to go and single out stuff. origin; the tories. you have to go and single out stuff. iciz; single out stuff. so were you rigpp— single out stuff. so were you right about saville? as right about saville? well, as i understand it, saville keir starmer was the director of the dpp, but the dpp , when all the dpp, but the dpp, when all the starmer, when all the gosh, when all the saville business was going on and he was in a position with hindsight, okay to have realised he i feel he must have realised he i feel he must have known things that but, but, but if he can only go on evidence but he may not know things he may not have known. he didn't. irrelevant. the point of he didn't. irrelevant. the point oi anis— he didn't. irrelevant. the point oi rpm is— he didn't. irrelevant. the point oi rpm is nor— he didn't. irrelevant. the point of this is not whether knew of this is not whether he knew origin-i.— of this is not whether he knew or. didn't-fact- of this is not whether he knew or didn't. fact that he of this is not whether he knew or the dn't. fact that he of this is not whether he knew or the head fact that he of this is not whether he knew or the head of fact that he of this is not whether he knew or the head of it. ct that he of this is not whether he knew or the head of it. so :hat he of this is not whether he knew or the head of it. so :hehe's was the head of it. so if he's reprimanuing— was the head of it. so if he's reprimanding somebody about someining,— reprimanding somebody about someoing,— reprimanding somebody about someoi inap— reprimanding somebody about some of that person may well not head of that person may well not know— head of that person may well not knon-aeiaiis— head of that person may well not know - details, then - know all the details, then he snouiun-i— know all the details, then he shouldn't-you - know all the details, then he shouldn't-you he shouldn't be doing. you know, he can-i— shouldn't be doing. you know, he camp-inap— shouldn't be doing. you know, he can-i-inai-ro- shouldn't be doing. you know, he can't-that-to come. can't expect that not to come pack. —inai- can't expect that not to come back. _that to l back. they're using that to iusriiy— back. they're using that to iusriiy ine— back. they're using that to justify the not— back. they're using that to justify the not to him on the pepincp— justify the not to him on thei behind—joined behind. but if you just joined us— coming- behind. but if you just joined

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good afternoon. this is gb news on iv— good afternoon. this is gb news on in .— good afternoon. this is gb news on in , oniine— good afternoon. this is gb news on tv , online and— good afternoon. this is gb news on tv , online and on digital on tv, online and on digital radio.— on tv, online and on digital radio. im— on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana— on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. welcome. pon— radio. i'm nana akua. welcome. non apper— radio. i'm nana akua. welcome. now after three— radio. i'm nana akua. welcome. now after three horses died at yesreruay-s— now after three horses died at yesterday's grand— now after three horses died at yesterday's grand national and animai— yesterday's grand national and animal activists— yesterday's grand national and animal activists made headlines for aeiaying— animal activists made headlines for delaying the— animal activists made headlines for delaying the race, many are asking— for delaying the race, many are asking ii— for delaying the race, many are now asking if horse jump racing is aciuaiiy— now asking if horse jump racing is aciuaiiy an— now asking if horse jump racing is actually an outdated pastime . animai— is actually an outdated pastime . animal racing.— is actually an outdated pastime . animal racing. the group responsible— . animal racing. the group responsible for— . animal racing. the group responsible for the delays and process— responsible for the delays and proiesis is— responsible for the delays and protests, is calling for a total pan— protests, is calling for a total pan on— protests, is calling for a total pan on ine— protests, is calling for a total ban on the sport.— protests, is calling for a total ban on the sport. but the name— ban on the sport. but the irainer oi— ban on the sport. but the trainer of one— ban on the sport. but the trainer of one of the horses pieci— trainer of one of the horses died yesterday— trainer of one of the horses died yesterday .— trainer of one of the horses died yesterday . sandy thompson, died yesterday. sandy thompson, says— died yesterday. sandy thompson, says inap— died yesterday. sandy thompson, says that protesters are to piame— says that protesters are to piame por—

says that protesters are to blame for the _ says that protesters are to blame for the animal's fatal raki— blame for the animal's fatal iaii .— blame for the animal's fatal iaii . so— blame for the animal's fatal fall . so should— blame for the animal's fatal fall . so should we in to fall. so should we give in to ine— fall. so should we give in to the demands— fall. so should we give in to the demands of— fall. so should we give in to the demands of animal rights campaignerse— the demands of animal rights- campaignerse—iump campaigners? and ban horse jump racinge— campaigners? and ban horse jump racinge-ioining— campaigners? and ban horse jump racing?-joining me- campaigners? and ban horse jump racing? joining me now is racing? well, joining me now is nppy— racing? well, joining me now is kppy nccregor. — racing? well, joining me now is abby mcgregor. she's a racehorse owner—nosi- abby mcgregor. she's a racehorse owner—nosi .| owner and racing podcast host. abby,— owner and racing podcast host. kppy, nnere-s— owner and racing podcast host. kppy, nnere-s a— owner and racing podcast host. abby, there's a lot— owner and racing podcast host. abby, there's a lot of call for it. abby, there's a lot of call for in i— abby, there's a lot of call for in i peei— abby, there's a lot of call for it. i feel sorry— abby, there's a lot of call for it. i feel sorry for— abby, there's a lot of call for it. i feel sorry for the horses. nou— it. i feel sorry for the horses. you know,— it. i feel sorry for the horses. you know, they're— it. i feel sorry for the horses. you know, they're being whipped all you know, they're being whipped aii ine— you know, they're being whipped aii rne rime.— you know, they're being whipped all the time. they're jumping you know, they're being whipped all tithese e. they're jumping you know, they're being whipped all tithese e. thejhithmping you know, they're being whipped all tithese e. thejhigh things. over these awful high things. i mean-as a person- over these awful high things. i mean as a person , it mean, for me as a person, it kooks— mean, for me as a person, it looks frightening. is it frightening— looks frightening. is it frightening to the horses? i nnai— frightening to the horses? i mean, what do— frightening to the horses? i mean, what do you make of what's going— mean, what do you make of what's going .— mean, what do you make of what's going . en — mean, what do you make of what's going . on i— mean, what do you make of what's going . on ippink— mean, what do you make of what's going . on i think there- mean, what do you make of what's going . on c"iiil”iiil 311i: going. on i think there are a lot of misconceive options out there about number one, how these horses are treated and also how they actually feel about racing themselves . so about racing themselves. so these horses are bred to run. it's their biology nickel instinct to run to and jump. and they love it. it's no different to when we're younger and we have this biological, biological instinct to just get up and walk one day. and they have incredible care, absolutely incredible care, absolutely incredible care. and in honour of the three horses that lost their lives in the races, which is terrible , sad. and as a horse

is terrible, sad. and as a horse racing owner myself, my heart goes out to their connections . goes out to their connections. but i'm going to give you three things that we have done in recent years to make the grand national following national safer following extensive scientific research and extensive analysis. so, number one, obviously we've lowered the fences. we've also changed the colour of the fences . so it's visually clearer for the horses . the second thing is the horses. the second thing is we have briefed jockeys this we have briefed the jockeys this year to run the race year on how to run the race safely, not to win. how to run it safely, which shows that welfare is absolutely at the heart of everything that we do . heart of everything that we do. and we've also made sure that the ground that they're running on means that they're travelling at less speed and as a result of that, as a result of these measures, these active steps that we have taken as an industry , 99% of horses , over industry, 99% of horses, over 99% of horses come off of that track back to the paddock , happy track back to the paddock, happy and i would challenge an obe one thing they've done that has is actually contributed positively

to animal welfare in the horse racing industry . what about the racing industry. what about the poini— racing industry. what about the poini .— racing industry. what about the poinr , inougn— racing industry. what about the point , though, that— ”at. g : what about the point , though, that was ”at g : what about the point , though, that was made point, though, that was made inap— point, though, that was made that actually— point, though, that was made that actually the _ point, though, that was made that actually the protesters may pane— that actually the protesters may have disrupted— that actually the protesters may have disrupted the horses and aciuaiiy— have disrupted the horses and actually potentially been one of the actually potentially been one of me reasons— actually potentially been one of the reasons why— actually potentially been one of the reasons why those horses diei— the reasons why those horses nice i — the reasons why those horses nice i no.— the reasons why those horses died ? \rrtr uttg the reasons why those horses died ? \r:::r uttg ' r: died? no, absolutely. and i think that just goes to show how little they understand these these amazing equine heroes of ours . so they obviously thought ours. so they obviously thought that by not being physically present on the track when the horses were running, that that wouldn't have any impact on them, that that wouldn't distress them in any way. but it did. is probably did. and that is probably i can't speculate now . we will can't speculate now. we will analyse what had happened there, but i would say that probably accounted for a lot of the falls because the horses were parading for an extended period of time. they anyone who's got a dog or a cat or a pet will know. they can sense disruption, they can sense tension . and so they put our tension. and so they put our athletes in danger. it's as

simple as that. and so i would question actually was their campaign about animal welfare or was it actually just a platform for them? was it an act of self—promotion , an advertisement self—promotion, an advertisement ? well, listen, albie, thank you very— ? well, listen, albie, thank you very nucn— ? well, listen, albie, thank you very much. that's— 7” well, listen, albie, thank you very much. that's abby mcgregor. snes— very much. that's abby mcgregor. sne-s a— very much. that's abby mcgregor. she's a racehorse— very much. that's abby mcgregor. she's a racehorse owner and noise— she's a racehorse owner and noise racing— she's a racehorse owner and horse racing podcast. so let's pane— horse racing podcast. so let's pane a— horse racing podcast. so let's pane a quick— horse racing podcast. so let's have a quick chat— horse racing podcast. so let's have a quick chat with my panel on inap— have a quick chat with my panel on inarlpanny— have a quick chat with my panel on that danny what on that. danny kelly, what do you— on that. danny kelly, what do you-po— on that. danny kelly, what do you-po you— on that. danny kelly, what do you-do you think- on that. danny kelly, what do you do you think perhaps you think? do you think perhaps inap— you think? do you think perhaps mar-nas— you think? do you think perhaps rnar-nas i— you think? do you think perhaps that-was i couldn't- you think? do you think perhaps that was i couldn't watch that that was i couldn't watch it that that was i couldn't watch irlsaiuruay. — that that was i couldn't watch irlsaiuruay. i— that that was i couldn't watch it saturday. " e " it on saturday. i haven't been able to watch it for the last 4 or because animal or 5 years because of the animal welfare, think it welfare, but i don't think it should be banned either. i think i that you i agree with that lady. you know, horse know, without horse racing, those wouldn't even those horses wouldn't have even been born. and i think that's one can look at it, one way you can look at it, christine. yes. and would one way you can look at it, chiatine. yes. and would one way you can look at it, chia massive ;. and would one way you can look at it, chia massive amount would one way you can look at it, chia massive amount of would be a massive amount of unemployment a massive be a massive amount of— unemployment-a massive jobs. unemployment and a massive jobs. the unemployment and a massive jobs. ine iockeys— unemployment and a massive jobs. ine iockeys, rne — unemployment and a massive jobs. the jockeys, the people who look apper— after them, all the people innoinea— after them, all the people involved training , the involved in the training, the noises— involved in the training, the noises ine— involved in the training, the horses, the horse, the horses ana— horses, the horse, the horses and men— horses, the horse, the horses and their owners— horses, the horse, the horses and their owners and trainers anu— and their owners and trainers and iockeys— and their owners and trainers and jockeys have— and their owners and trainers and jockeys have an incredible pone.— and jockeys have an incredible pona. ine— and jockeys have an incredible bond. the horses— and jockeys have an incredible bond. the horses actually, you-ne— bond. the horses actually, ye oniy— bond. the horses actually, ye oniy goi— bond. the horses actually, you've only got to see the noses— you've only got to see the horses - become - you've only got to see the horses become riderless . horses who become riderless. innar— horses who become riderless. nnai ao— horses who become riderless. nnai ao iney— horses who become riderless. what do they do?— horses who become riderless. what do they do? they don't just suiieniy— suddenly pull up. they keep going. — suddenly pull up. they keep going. _nomi suddenly pull up. they keep- going. _from their going. they run away from their owners . but they don't say

owners. but they don't say breakneck, breakneck. they've gone. they breakneck, breakneck. they've gone . they continue. if they gone. they continue. if they really didn't like it, they wouldn't jump the jump. they wouldn't jump the jump. they would swerve around : " e they would swerve around because they nouian-r— would swerve around because they wouldn't because— would swerve around because they wouldn't because they've got no riders— wouldn't because they've got no papers on— wouldn't because they've got no riders on them. _ wouldn't because they've got no riders on them. "rig ”rt; r:r:::r g riders on them. they're doing what to do. goodness what they want to do. goodness of budget, what they want to do. goodness oi-puagei, ii- what they want to do. goodness oi-puagei, ii i- what they want to do. goodness of-budget, if i was. of that. that budget, if i was on-oi— of that. that budget, if i was on-oi anem— of that. that budget, if i was on-oi inem .— of that. that budget, if i was on.of them , i've- of that. that budget, if i was on of them , i've not said on one of them, i've not said anyrning— on one of them, i've not said anything breakneck speed. \itifil,>2(c anything breakneck speed. next specu— anything breakneck speed. next speeu rigpp— anything breakneck speed. next speed right now. thank- anything breakneck speed. \itifil,>2(c : ”g thank you, speed right now. thank you, panei— speed right now. thank you, panei .— speed right now. thank you, panei . ii-s— speed right now. thank you, panel. it's time- speed right now. thank you, panel . it's time now- : ”g thank you, panel . it's time now for world panel. it's time now for world view.— panel. it's time now for world vien. nnu— panel. it's time now for world view. and let's- panel. it's time now for world view. and let's travel over to america.— view. and let's travel over to america. we're- view. and let's travel over to america. we're going to speak to the america. we're going to speak to me nosi— america. we're going to speak to me nosiline— america. we're going to speak to the host the politics people the host of the politics people poacasp— the host of the politics people podcast, duddridge. right. podcast, paul duddridge. right. paup— podcast, paul duddridge. right. raui iaik— podcast, paul duddridge. right. raui iaik io— podcast, paul duddridge. right. paul talk to me- podcast, paul duddridge. right. paul talk to me from funding inrougn— paul talk to me from funding inrougn ine— paul talk to me from funding through the roof- paul talk to me from funding through the roof . people are through the roof. people are purring— through the roof. people are purring money— through the roof. people are putting money towards donald irump. — putting money towards donald irump. iaik— putting money towards donald irump. iaik ro— putting money towards donald trump. talk to me about this . trump. talk to me about this. ine— trump. talk to me about this. the indictment- trump. talk to me about this. the indictment is- trump. talk to me about this. the indictment is good- trump. talk to me about this. the indictment is good for. the indictment is good for business. this is all i can say. in business. this is all i can say. in ine— business. this is all i can say. in me rinsi— business. this is all i can say. in the first three- this is all i can say. in the first three months of zone. — in the first three months of zone. irump— in the first three months of 2023. trump raised- in the first three months of 2023. :15�*8 in the first three months of. 2023. trump raised $18 million for campaign funds in the last two weeks, he's done about $17 million. so he's practically uoupiea— million. so he's practically doubted his- ct iii" so he's practically doubled his coffers just ct if" so he's practically doubled his coffers just because of doubled his coffers just because oi anis— doubled his coffers just because of this indictment. so i think pes— of this indictment. so i think he's probably got three more indictments to come , and he's indictments to come, and he's welcoming them, frankly. they

are extraordinarily good- t g they are extraordinarily good for iunaraising— are extraordinarily good for fundraising thing. it really has energised— fundraising thing. it really has energised that- fundraising thing. it really has energised that base. e energised that base. so it's peon— energised that base. so it's peen goon— energised that base. so it's been good news for trump on that score . but sadly , the bad news score. but sadly, the bad news is for trump. i think that now kniannon— is for trump. i think that now rhiannon desantis- i think that now rhiannon desantis has introduced a ian— rhiannon desantis has introduced a pan in— rhiannon desantis has introduced a law in florida- rhiannon desantis has introduced a law in florida banning aponions— a law in florida banning abortions after six weeks, and i mink— abortions after six weeks, and i inink inap— abortions after six weeks, and i think that that- abortions after six weeks, and i think that that has now made it impossipie— think that that has now made it impossible for- think that that has now made it impossible for any- think that that has now made it impossible for any republican to win in— impossible for any republican to win in zom- — impossible for any republican to win in 2024. it- impossible for any republican to win in 2024. it is- impossible for any republican to win in 2024. it is an- impossible for any republican to win in 2024. e g win in 2024. it is an own goal of kyiv starmer proportions. it's quite extraordinary really . so— it's quite extraordinary really . so me— it's quite extraordinary really . so the americans- it's quite extraordinary really . so the americans feel that strongly about this, so but is there not a way around it that trump could get around and change that? or would he be in support of it? it seems a bit odd that ron desantis would do that. has he's that. well trump has said he's pro—life. if in that. well trump has said he's pro—life . if in the when he was pro—life. if in the when he was campaigning— pro—life. if in the when he was campaigning in— pro—life. if in the when he was campaigning in 2016,- t ”rt; if in the when he was campaigning in 2016, however , it campaigning in 2016, however, it nouri— campaigning in 2016, however, it nouia pe— campaigning in 2016, however, it would be sensible- campaigning in 2016, however, it would be sensible for him to our— would be sensible for him to come out and- would be sensible for him to come out and just let it just let come out and just let it just iei ine— come out and just let it just iei rne pan.— come out and just let it just iei rne ian. — come out and just let it just let the law. “rt;”rt; come out and just let it just let the law. “g let the law. there's a thing called codifying. so we all get caugni— called codifying. so we all get caugnr up— called codifying. so we all get caugnr up in— called codifying. so we all get caught up in the- called codifying. so we all get caught up in the roe- called codifying. so we all get caught up in the roe v- t: rtrtrr: ”g “3 so we all get caught up in the roe v wade and nneiner— caught up in the roe v wade and nneiner ii-s— caught up in the roe v wade and whether it's constitutional, erceiera— whether it's constitutional, erceiera .— whether it's constitutional, etcetera , they- whether it's constitutional, etcetera , they can actually just etcetera, they can actually just pass— etcetera, they can actually just pass a— etcetera, they can actually just pass a ian— etcetera, they can actually just pass a pan in— etcetera, they can actually just

pass a law in the- etcetera, they can actually just pass a law in the us and make it the pass a law in the us and make it inc-oi— pass a law in the us and make it inc-oi ine— pass a law in the us and make it the.of the land. - pass a law in the us and make it the.of the land. the- the law of the land. the democrats— the law of the land. the democrats don't want to do that because democrats don't want to do that bectcould get hunter biden to you could get hunter biden to win year with this standing win next year with this standing the way it is. these, you know, the— the way it is. these, you know, the abortion— the way it is. these, you know, the abortion rights— c these, you know, the abortion rights being taken away. — the abortion rights being taken away. -.— the abortion rights being taken away. -, if— the abortion rights being taken away. -. if he-s- the abortion rights being taken. away. -, if he's sensible, away. trump, if he's sensible, will out and request that will come out and request that it's actually codified for the united states. that's i think ifs— united states. that's i think n-s the— united states. that's i think now it's the only— s as: that's i think now it's the only chance of winning— now it's the only chance of winning because is no winning because there is no republican— winning because there is no republican can— winning because there is no republican can up against any republican can go up against any democrat. — republican can go up against any democrat. now— republican can go up against any democrat. mm republican can go up against any democrat. mm g democrat. now without being shot down immediately. it's the most remember, we talked— : : it's the most remember, we talked about this with— remember, we talked about this with the— remember, we talked about this with the midterm _ remember, we talked about this with the midterm elections. mi; with the midterm elections. we were-people— with the midterm elections. we were - people talking i with the midterm elections. we were this. people talking with the midterm elections. we were this. the eople talking with the midterm elections. we were this. the eopl

done it. the only the conspiracy theorist in me is that desantis knows he can't win and so he's making it so that no republican can next year. that leaves can win next year. that leaves the them— can win next year. that leaves the field clear— can win next year. that leaves the field clear . _ can win next year. that leaves the field clear . it— can win next year. that leaves the field clear . it sort- can win next year. that leaves the field clear . it sort of- the field clear. it sort of teeth— the field clear. it sort of feels like the fox and the grapes that aesop's fable where, you if i can't have it, you know, if i can't have it, then nobody which a bit. then nobody can, which is a bit. yeah, a bit dim, really yeah, which is a bit dim, really , that , because unfortunately, that means be another means that there will be another democrat and that democrat at the head and that briefly, then we've got about 20 seconds. if it is unlikely that joe biden will be able to lead, if the democrats get in, who is their potential candidate .7 their potential candidate? well, honestly, it probably will have— well, honestly, it probably will have to— well, honestly, it probably will now have to be— well, honestly, it probably will now have to be kamala. i keep styhg— now have to be kamala. i keep styhg that— now have to be kamala. i keep saying that hillary is not off the— saying that hillary is not off the tatte— saying that hillary is not off the tehte . — saying that hillary is not off the table . but— saying that hillary is not off the table . saying that hillary is not off the table. but but with this background , kamala could do it. background, kamala could do it. i swear. this is this is the horror of this. it's like, you know , maga maga. people will say know, maga maga. people will say one thing outside the voting booth. they will not vote for having abortion rights taken away. they will not vote for it. it's as simple as that. it's so unpopular. it's crazy . it's as simple as that. it's so unpopular. it's crazy. well, listen, paul, thank you very much. pleasure talk much. always a pleasure to talk to paul duddridge. to you. that's paul duddridge. he's the host he's there in la. he's the host

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from the gb newsroom. the health secretary— from the gb newsroom. the health seeteteh hee— from the gb newsroom. the health secretary has urged— from the gb newsroom. the health secretary has urged the royal cetteee— secretary has urged the royal cettege et— secretary has urged the royal college of nursing to reconsider theh— college of nursing to reconsider theh htehhet— college of nursing to reconsider their planned industrial action at their planned industrial action et the— their planned industrial action at the ent— their planned industrial action et the end et— their planned industrial action at the end of the— their planned industrial action at the end of the month . in at the end of the month. in a tettet— at the end of the month. in a tettet te— at the end of the month. in a letter to the— at the end of the month. in a letter to the unions leader, the— letter to the unions leader, this morning,— letter to the unions leader, this morning, steve barclay said the eeht— this morning, steve barclay said the eeht hey— this morning, steve barclay said the recent pay offer to rcn hehehte— the recent pay offer to rcn members was— the recent pay offer to rcn members was fair and reasonable and members was fair and reasonable the ther— members was fair and reasonable and their decision— members was fair and reasonable and their decision to hold a 48 heur— and their decision to hold a 48 hour ethe— and their decision to hold a 48 hour strike will— and their decision to hold a 48 hour strike will put patients at het. — hour strike will put patients at het. the— hour strike will put patients at risk. the chs_ hour strike will put patients at risk. the chs general secretary,— risk. the chs general secretary, pat- risk. the chs general secretary, pat cullen, has ehtteteet— secretary, pat cullen, has criticised the _ secretary, pat cullen, has criticised the government for tetuehe— criticised the government for tetuehe te — criticised the government for refusing to budge on its offer of refusing to budge on its offer et a— refusing to budge on its offer et a 5%_ refusing to budge on its offer et a the hay— refusing to budge on its offer of a 5% pay rise.— refusing to budge on its offer of a 5% pay rise. our members hetthet— of a 5% pay rise. our members neither think— of a 5% pay rise. our members neither think it's— of a 5% pay rise. our members neither think it's reasonable or teh — neither think it's reasonable or teh tt-s— neither think it's reasonable or teh tt-s t— neither think it's reasonable or fair. it's a short— neither think it's reasonable or fair. it's a short term- neither think it's reasonable or fair. c f fair. it's a short term approach that plugs a gap by giving them a one off. what they've described _ a one off. what they've described as— a one off. what they've described as a- what they've described as a bonus. a one off. what they've- described as a bonus . that's described as a bonus. that's cetttthty— described as a bonus. that's eetttthty het— described as a bonus. that's certainly not going to address the fundamental crisis that we've got within our nursing profession or within the nhs . profession or within the nhs. labour has vowed to end what it describes as a postcode lottery for gp appointment points if it wins the next election . the wins the next election. the party says up to three- f" the party says up to three quarters of party says up to three quarters et patente— party says up to three quarters et hettehte h— party says up to three quarters of patients in some parts of theteht— of patients in some parts of england aren't— of patients in some parts of england aren't able to see their teeter— england aren't able to see their teeter et— england aren't able to see their doctor of choice— england aren't able to see their doctor of choice and only half

the— doctor of choice and only half the meth— doctor of choice and only half the number of— doctor of choice and only half the number of appointments held to the number of appointments held te thee— the number of appointments held te hate the — the number of appointments held to face face. labour's promising to face face. labour's promising te teuhte— to face face. labour's promising to double the— to face face. labour's promising to double the number of doctors thethet— to double the number of doctors thethet eeeh— to double the number of doctors trained each year— to double the number of doctors trained each year to 15,000 and shetew— trained each year to 15,000 and shadow health— trained each year to 15,000 and shadow health secretary wes streethe— shadow health secretary wes streethg ette— shadow health secretary wes streeting says young people need more opportunities— streeting says young people need more opportunities to enter the preteeeteh— more opportunities to enter the profession unless— more opportunities to enter the profession unless the nhs has the steth— profession unless the nhs has the stat tt— profession unless the nhs has the staff it needs,— profession unless the nhs has the staff it needs, it's going to the staff it needs, it's going te etteggte— the staff it needs, it's going te etteggte te— the staff it needs, it's going to struggle to treat patients on the— to struggle to treat patients on the the— to struggle to treat patients on time and we're— to struggle to treat patients on time and we're going to end up in time and we're going to end up th the— time and we're going to end up in this bizarre— time and we're going to end up in this bizarre situation where on _we're turning. in this bizarre situation where on we're turning away on one hand we're turning away ettetght— on one hand we're turning away ettetghtletete— on one hand we're turning away straight grade from straight a grade students from etutyhg— straight a grade students from studying medicine at university whttet— studying medicine at university whilst recruiting _ studying medicine at university whilst recruiting people from overseas in greater numbers than thhthg— overseas in greater numbers than we're training our— overseas in greater numbers than we're training our own home green— we're training our own home green steth— we're training our own home grown staff, which is not fair to grown staff, which is not fair te ether— grown staff, which is not fair to other countries around the teeth — to other countries around the teeth .eveh— to other countries around the world. .even more- world. but even more importantly, fair to importantly, it's not fair to bright in britain who bright teenagers in britain who could promising doctors and could be promising doctors and medics of future who are medics of the future who are being opportunity being denied the opportunity plans to build new smart motorways are being cancelled over safety concerns, cost and low public confidence. the government has ti tittit’“ :i the government has confirmed i tittit’“ :i the government has confirmed i4 etehhet— government has confirmed i4 planned projects— government has confirmed i4 planned projects have been scrapped— planned projects have been eeteeeet the— planned projects have been scrapped and existing stretches wtt— scrapped and existing stretches wttt he— scrapped and existing stretches wttt he hete— scrapped and existing stretches will be made safer. campaigners are will be made safer. campaigners tehehthe— will be made safer. campaigners are demanding the return of hard eheuttete—

are demanding the return of hard eheuttete te— are demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart hetetweye— shoulders to existing smart hetetweye .— shoulders to existing smart motorways . conservative party motorways. conservative party ehehheh— motorways. conservative party ehethheh greg— motorways. conservative party chairman greg hands told camilla tehhey— chairman greg hands told camilla tehhey the— chairman greg hands told camilla tominey the government is eutthe— tominey the government is putting public— tominey the government is putting public safety first at. i putting public safety first at. t ththt— putting public safety first at. t ththt tt-s— putting public safety first at. i think it's be— putting public safety first at. i think it's be right— putting public safety first at. i think it's be right for- putting public safety first at. i think it's be right for us- putting public safety first at. i think it's be right for us to, as say, look at the evidence as i say, look at the evidence to come about it with. bear in mind all the factors that are involved and that's why we've taken the decision as a result of the public concern to cease new smart motorways. that's what i think is the right decision . i think is the right decision. the british horse racing authehty— the british horse racing authority has— the british horse racing authority has robustly condemned preteetete— authority has robustly condemned preteetete whe — authority has robustly condemned protesters who delayed the grand hettehet— protesters who delayed the grand hettehet ee— protesters who delayed the grand national as reckless . 118 people national as reckless. 118 people were arrested _ national as reckless. 118 people were arrested for— national as reckless. 118 people were arrested for disrupting the event— were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday _ were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday ,_ were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday , slightly event yesterday, slightly teteyhg— event yesterday, slightly delaying the _ event yesterday, slightly delaying the start of the race. hettvtete— delaying the start of the race. activists from _ delaying the start of the race. activists from animal rising are eetthe— activists from animal rising are eetthe tet— activists from animal rising are eetthg tet jump— activists from animal rising are calling forjump racing to be calling for jump racing to be banned— calling for jump racing to be banned after— calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at hhttee— banned after three horses died at aintree and— banned after three horses died at aintree and they've warned tutthet— at aintree and they've warned further protests _ at aintree and they've warned further protests will take place the— further protests will take place the — further protests will take place this summer. the— further protests will take place this summer. the bucha says it hit— this summer. the bucha says it hit he— this summer. the bucha says it hit he e— this summer. the bucha says it will be a painstaking analysis to determine— will be a painstaking analysis to determine what caused the deaths— to determine what caused the teethe .— to determine what caused the teethe . the— to determine what caused the deaths . the head of to determine what caused the deaths. the head of sudan's army and deaths. the head of sudan's army the eetehtttteh— deaths. the head of sudan's army and paramilitary have agreed to and paramilitary have agreed to three— and paramilitary have agreed to e thee heur— and paramilitary have agreed to a three hour humanitarian pause in a three hour humanitarian pause

th ttghthe— a three hour humanitarian pause th ttghthe .— a three hour humanitarian pause infighting, according to the in fighting, according to the uhttet— in fighting, according to the united nations— in fighting, according to the united nations , at least 56 united nations, at least 56 etvtttehe— united nations, at least 56 civilians have— united nations, at least 56 civilians have been killed and etheet— civilians have been killed and etheet eee— civilians have been killed and almost 600 injured as both teteee— almost 600 injured as both forces battle— almost 600 injured as both forces battle for— almost 600 injured as both forces battle for control across the— forces battle for control across the teeth,— forces battle for control across the capital, khartoum global teeters— the capital, khartoum global leaders have— the capital, khartoum global leaders have been holding crisis tethe— leaders have been holding crisis tette te— leaders have been holding crisis tette te th— leaders have been holding crisis tette te thy te— leaders have been holding crisis talks to try to bring an end to the— talks to try to bring an end to the eehtttet— talks to try to bring an end to the conflict .— talks to try to bring an end to the conflict . both— talks to try to bring an end to the conflict . both sides claim the conflict. both sides claim to the conflict. both sides claim te hete— the conflict. both sides claim to have taken— the conflict. both sides claim to have taken the— the conflict. both sides claim to have taken the airport presidential— to have taken the airport presidential palace and state tv, presidential palace and state w, whteh— presidential palace and state tv, which has— presidential palace and state tv, which has since had its transmission— tv, which has since had its transmission cut. tens lessons hete— transmission cut. tens lessons have escalated— transmission cut. tens lessons have escalated as— transmission cut. tens lessons have escalated as political teettehe— have escalated as political factions negotiate over a eteeeeet— factions negotiate over a proposed transition to civilian tute— proposed transition to civilian rule following— proposed transition to civilian rule following a— proposed transition to civilian rule following a military coup in rule following a military coup th zozt. — rule following a military coup in 2021. more— rule following a military coup in 2021. more than 6000 members of in 2021. more than 6000 members et the— in 2021. more than 6000 members et the emet— in 2021. more than 6000 members of the armed forces— in 2021. more than 6000 members of the armed forces will be tethe— of the armed forces will be tethg pett— of the armed forces will be tethg pert h— of the armed forces will be taking part in the king's coronation— taking part in the king's coronation next month. thousands of coronation next month. thousands et ete— coronation next month. thousands et ete ent— coronation next month. thousands of veterans and nhs workers have ette— of veterans and nhs workers have the teen— of veterans and nhs workers have also been invited— of veterans and nhs workers have also been invited to— of veterans and nhs workers have also been invited to watch the htetehe— also been invited to watch the historic event— also been invited to watch the historic event from a special greeteteht— historic event from a special grandstand in— historic event from a special grandstand in front of buckingham palace. the culture secretary— buckingham palace. the culture seeteteh ette— buckingham palace. the culture secretary says it's— buckingham palace. the culture secretary says it's a mark of the— secretary says it's a mark of the hetteh-e— secretary says it's a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . thte— the nation's profound gratitude . the he— the nation's profound gratitude . the he eh— the nation's profound gratitude . this is gb news.— the nation's profound gratitude . this is gb news. we'll bring you— . this is gb news. we'll bring yee mee— . this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as— . this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now theueh— you more news as it happens. now theugh tt— you more news as it happens. now theugh tt te— you more news as it happens. now though, it is back— you more news as it happens. now though, it is back to— you more news as it happens. now

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story. she's now also a broadcaster— story. she's now also a broadcaster ,- story. she's now also a broadcaster , a social broadcaster, a social commentator who you may well eegmee— commentator who you may well eeehtee te— commentator who you may well recognise is narinder kaur teetth— recognise is narinder kaur teeth eter— recognise is narinder kaur reality star and commentator. wett— reality star and commentator. hett tene— reality star and commentator. well done. narinder kaur. she went— well done. narinder kaur. she went eheut— well done. narinder kaur. she won't shout. she's promised me mteht— won't shout. she's promised me mteht eheut— won't shout. she's promised me mtght eheut he— won't shout. she's promised me might shout no ,_ won't shout. she's promised me might shout no , i— won't shout. she's promised me might shout no , i won't shout, might shout no, i won't shout, eheut— might shout no, i won't shout, eheut, t— might shout no, i won't shout, eheut, t hen-t— might shout no, i won't shout, shout, i won't give everyone a headache. — shout, i won't give everyone a headache. " i headache. everyone's taken their nurofen. they've told me that headache. " i h: " they've told me that on nurofen. they've told me that on thtttet. — nurofen. they've told me that on thtttet. eh— nurofen. they've told me that on twitter. oh, did _ nurofen. they've told me that on twitter. oh, did they? _ he. " they've told me that on twitter. oh, did they? well, tteteh— twitter. oh, did they? well, listen, we've— twitter. oh, did they? well, listen, we've got to start at the— listen, we've got to start at the-mt- listen, we've got to start at the-and end- listen, we've got to start at- the-and end because the beginning and end because a lot the beginning and end because a tetleeehte— the beginning and end because a tetleeehte-heet- lot of people, they hear you eett— lot of people, they hear you eettleehe— lot of people, they hear you eettlgehe eh— lot of people, they hear you sort going on and all these sort of going on and all these tehetee— sort of going on and all these tehetee hut— sort of going on and all these debates, but nobody really knows sort of going on and all these debatiabout: nobody really knows sort of going on and all these debatiabout: nobreally. ally knows sort of going on and all these debatiabout: nobreally. so knows sort of going on and all these debatiabout: nobreally. so that's; much about you really. so that's if much about you really. so that's tt they— much about you really. so that's tt they meet— much about you really. so that's if they haven't bought the book, by if they haven't bought the book, bv-wav- _ if they haven't bought the book, hey-hey. hut— if they haven't bought the book, by way. but haven't by the way. but just haven't they. — by the way. but just haven't they. _theh-ti by the way. but just haven't- they. _ haven't they by the way. but just haven't- they. it _ haven't they by the way. but just haven't they. it didn't haven't they by the way. but just haven't they. it didn't really haven't they by the way. but just haven't they. it didn't really do ien't they by the way. but just haven't they. it didn't really do that. they not? it didn't really do that. meet.— not? it didn't really do that. meet. wett— not? it didn't really do that. great. well but— not? it didn't really do that. great. well but i'm glad you eete— great. well but i'm glad you eett teetth— great. well but i'm glad you said reality tv— great. well but i'm glad you said reality tv star. /t:::t. ctitzi; said reality tv star. you are, because— said reality tv star. you are, hm t— said reality tv star. you are, because i was used to 20 years ago. it was reality tv reject mt— ago. it was reality tv reject mt they— ago. it was reality tv reject and they used— ago. it was reality tv reject and they used to— g it was reality tv reject and they used to put you in the bin and they used to put you in the hth h— and they used to put you in the hth th the— and they used to put you in the bin in the papers. _ and they used to put you in the bin in the papers. "t; t: bin in the papers. they'd have a bin in the papers. they'd have a bin and they'd get your face and put you in the bin. so we were rejected. we were rejects. so what's life like then? what's your life been like then? you brothers and you know how many brothers and sisters have you got? where were you deal? you born? what's the deal? so born in was actually born in the midlands. we moved to midlands. we moved up to newcastle and family went up there. we bought a shop. the there. we bought a shop. i'm the yemeeet— there. we bought a shop. i'm the yemgeet mt— there. we bought a shop. i'm the

youngest and actually— youngest and actually when i went— youngest and actually when i went te— youngest and actually when i went to school— youngest and actually when i went to school-i- youngest and actually when i went to school i think this went to school and i think this is went to school and i think this he where— went to school and i think this he where the— went to school and i think this is where the whole because heehte— is where the whole because heehte-ehe-e- is where the whole because people she's just is where the whole because people on she's just is where the whole because people on someie's just is where the whole because people on some racismt jumping on some racism hehthegem— jumping on some racism bandwagon. in bandwagon. i grew up in heheeette— bandwagon. i grew up in newcastle did newcastle and i know you did he — newcastle and i know you did he -hem— newcastle and i know you didj too. - born . newcastle too. i was born in newcastle dodi, yeah, same. well, no, dodi, but yeah, same. well, no, i brought i was brought up there, but i exeeheheet— i was brought up there, but i experienced _of- i was brought up there, but i experienced of racism in experienced a lot of racism in heheeette. — experienced a lot of racism in heheeette. t— experienced a lot of racism in newcastle. i was— experienced a lot of racism in newcastle. " newcastle. i was the only person of colour in the entire school in the whole area. so . so i was, in the whole area. so. so i was, you in the whole area. so. so i was, yet thew.— in the whole area. so. so i was, yet thew. t— in the whole area. so. so i was, yet thew. t het— in the whole area. so. so i was, you know, i just was— " letitia so. so i was, you know, i just was growing up htth— you know, i just was growing up htth ee— you know, i just was growing up htth ee hehe— you know, i just was growing up with so being called p word eveh— with so being called p word eveh ethgte— with so being called p word every single day and that does etteet— every single day and that does etteet hem— every single day and that does affect you, but— every single day and that does affect you, but you kind of do get— affect you, but you kind of do get ever— affect you, but you kind of do get tt— affect you, but you kind of do get tt ee— affect you, but you kind of do get over it as you— affect you, but you kind of do get over it as you get older heeme— get over it as you get older heeme t— get over it as you get older because i-know, - get over it as you get older. because i-know,-go because i don't know, you go thteueh— because i don't know, you go through experiences in through other experiences in the.— through other experiences in life, - actually— through other experiences in life, actually after big life, but actually after big htethet— life, but actually after big brother that _ life, but actually after big brother that racism because ehvtemh— brother that racism because obviouslvyou_ brother that racism because obviously you become overnight temee— obviously you become overnight temee .— obviously you become overnight famous , a hugely— obviously you become overnight famous , a hugely famous from big famous, a hugely famous from big htethet— famous, a hugely famous from big htethet .— famous, a hugely famous from big htethet . ahe— famous, a hugely famous from big brother . and when— famous, a hugely famous from big brother. and when you go from hehe— brother. and when you go from hehe eh— brother. and when you go from being yee— brother. and when you go from being an, you know, just a hemet— being an, you know, just a normal person— being an, you know, just a normal person to just everyone thehhe— normal person to just everyone knowing yee— normal person to just everyone knowing yee .— normal person to just everyone knowing you , then the racism knowing you, then the racism heeem— knowing you, then the racism becomes vivid— knowing you, then the racism becomes vivid again. and so i exeeheheet— becomes vivid again. and so i experienced it— becomes vivid again. and so i experienced it all— becomes vivid again. and so i experienced it all over again ent— experienced it all over again eht eeteeth— experienced it all over again and actually i— experienced it all over again and actually i experienced it hem— and actually i experienced it hem heee— and actually i experienced it from press kind— and actually i experienced it from press kind of tv channels . from press kind of tv channels. amt— from press kind of tv channels. mt eeteeth— from press kind of tv channels. and actually for— from press kind of tv channels. and actually for what it's hetth— and actually for what it's hetth eh— and actually for what it's worth, gb news were the ones who put worth, gb news were the ones who het me— worth, gb news were the ones who put me heet— worth, gb news were the ones who put me heet h. — worth, gb news were the ones who put me back in. well,— worth, gb news were the ones who put me back in. it�*tiiiee t:t:::t put me back in. well, do you know what, though? now you

mentioned the racism, i was going but on dan's going to say later, but on dan's show mentioned the coconut show you mentioned the coconut words. i did . you talk to words. yes, i did. you talk to tell me about what said tell me about what you said about remind the about that. should we remind the viewers to think it was viewers you seem to think it was okay. i do think okay. okay. i do think it's okay. it's completely okay, because i do it's completely okay, because i the—emet- it's completely okay, because i do_sunak suella. do think rishi sunak suella httt — do think rishi sunak suella httt hetet— do think rishi sunak suella priti patel coconut and it's not teetet— priti patel coconut and it's not teetet ent— priti patel coconut and it's not racist and i'll— priti patel coconut and it's not racist and i'll tell— priti patel coconut and it's not racist and i'll tell you why. heeeee— racist and i'll tell you why. because racism _ racist and i'll tell you why. because racism is and i haven't hethetet— because racism is and i haven't even bothered explaining it on my eeetet— even bothered explaining it on my social media. _ even bothered explaining it on my social media. coconut can be ettehehe— my social media. coconut can be ettehehe et— my social media. coconut can be offensive or it— my social media. coconut can be offensive or it can— my social media. coconut can be offensive or it can be okay. i get— offensive or it can be okay. i get eettet— offensive or it can be okay. i get called coconut. so my taste in get called coconut. so my taste th meete— get called coconut. so my taste th .— get called coconut. so my taste in music , like— get called coconut. so my taste in music , like i— get called coconut. so my taste in music , like i don't like in music, like i don't like htteh— in music, like i don't like indian music— in music, like i don't like indian music ,- in music, like i don't like indian music , i like english indian music, i like english t— indian music, i like english t ee— indian music, i like english music. i was i— indian music, i like english music. i was i was raised with thetteh— music. i was i was raised with thgtteh meete— music. i was i was raised with english music. so— music. i was i was raised with english music. so some may say, for english music. so some may say, tee exempte— english music. so some may say, tee exemhte .— english music. so some may say, for example , diljit_ english music. so some may say, for example , diljit dosanjh, for example, diljit dosanjh, hee— for example, diljit dosanjh, he-e het— for example, diljit dosanjh, he's just opened kaja kallas. hee— he's just opened kaja kallas. he-e e— he's just opened kaja kallas. he-e e veh— he's just opened kaja kallas. he's a very famous punjabi etheeh— he's a very famous punjabi eheee hen-t— he's a very famous punjabi singer. don't really care. so my htteh— singer. don't really care. so my indian followers— singer. don't really care. so my indian followers will say, hee-te— indian followers will say, hee-re e— indian followers will say, you're a bit— indian followers will say, you're a bit of- indian followers will say, you're a bit of a coconut heeeee— you're a bit of a coconut heeeee hee— you're a bit of a coconut because you prefer english music . hee— because you prefer english music . heh when— because you prefer english music . heh hheh tm— because you prefer english music . now when i'm calling suella ent— . now when i'm calling suella eht tteht— . now when i'm calling suella and rishi priti— . now when i'm calling suella and rishi priti patel coconuts , and rishi priti patel coconuts, it's offensive _ and rishi priti patel coconuts, it's offensive because actually hthte— it's offensive because actually hthte ee— it's offensive because actually hthte ee yee— it's offensive because actually albie so you know, it's offensive. _ albie so you know, it's offensive. oh- albie so you know, it's offensive. o" «tilt? " albie so you know, it's- offensive. oh yeah, because albie so you know, it's— offensive. oh yeah, because they are coconuts. because they what theyhe — are coconuts. because they what theyhe tene— are coconuts. because they what they-he tehe te— are coconuts. because they what they've done is they— ctitzi; ii because they what they've done is they have, they-ve— they've done is they have, they've been,—

they've done is they have, they've been, they've been used. i they've been, they've been used. tthht— they've been, they've been used. tthht ee— they've been, they've been used. tthht ee the— they've been, they've been used. i think as the brown faces to hem— i think as the brown faces to hmh teetet— i think as the brown faces to push racist policy and racist thetehe— push racist policy and racist rhetoric. okay.— push racist policy and racist rhetoric. okay. they they have. heu— rhetoric. okay. they they have. hett new— rhetoric. okay. they they have. wett hw— rhetoric. okay. they they have. well now now you've— rhetoric. okay. they they have. well now now you've explained it. it's good to hear that. but i actually think that it is racist and it is racist because you're judging somebody by the colour of their skin, not the content of their character. so it's content. no, no. it's about content. no, no, no. character basically character so you're basically saying a asian person or saying that a asian person or a black person should behave in a certain and certain way? hang on. and they're not behaving in that way. have a stereotype of they're not behaving in that way. they're have a stereotype of they're not behaving in that way. they're meant stereotype of they're not behaving in that way. they're meant toereotype of they're not behaving in that way. they're meant to be.:ype of they're not behaving in that way. they're meant to be. n0t of they're not behaving in that way. they're meant to be. no and what they're meant to be. no and because doing that what they're meant to be. no and bece'they're doing that what they're meant to be. no and bece'they're doing doing that what they're meant to be. no and bece'they're doing somethingat what they're meant to be. no and bece'they're doing something that and they're doing something that you a white person would you think a white person would do, them do, then you're calling them a coconut. see, that's the problem. that's that's problem. no, that's not that's not problem. no, that's not that's net—ttl problem. no, that's not that'si net—ht ett not that you've explained it all the—hetweth- not that you've explained it all the actually because not that you've explained it all tidon't actually because not that you've explained it all tidon't them ally because not that you've explained it all tidon't them toy because not that you've explained it all tidon't them to behave se i don't expect them to behave a eenetn— i don't expect them to behave a eentetn wew. — i don't expect them to behave a eenetn wew. het— i don't expect them to behave a certain way. but having said thet— certain way. but having said thet|when— certain way. but having said that when you're brown face that, when you're a brown face ent— that, when you're a brown face ene-wewneett— that, when you're a brown face ene-wewneett .— that, when you're a brown face and-yourself , if- that, when you're a brown face and yourself , if your and you yourself, if your theme— and you yourself, if your parents and parents were immigrants and yeee— parents were immigrants and wen-e tethe— parents were immigrants and wen-e thtng te— parents were immigrants and you're trying to start policy thet— you're trying to start policy thet te— you're trying to start policy thet te ee— you're trying to start policy that is so disgusting towards eewtwm— that is so disgusting towards asylum seekers— that is so disgusting towards asylum seekers and immigration eeeet wen — asylum seekers and immigration seekers, you can't— asylum seekers and immigration seekers, you can't then say, but you— seekers, you can't then say, but wen eeme— seekers, you can't then say, but you hem — seekers, you can't then say, but you came from that . you're you came from that. you're went.— you came from that. you're wehh wetne— you came from that. you're weird, you're your own parents were immigrants— weird, you're your own parents were immigrants .— weird, you're your own parents were immigrants . and i don't buy

were immigrants. and i don't buy thet— were immigrants. and i don't buy thet engenent— were immigrants. and i don't buy that argument. well actually thet— that argument. well actually thet wee— that argument. well actually that was legal.— that argument. well actually that was legal. my parents came here— that was legal. my parents came here teeettw— that was legal. my parents came here legally. doesn't mean they were welcomed. _ here legally. doesn't mean they were welcomed. they were my tether— were welcomed. they were my tethen went— were welcomed. they were my father went through a lot of th— father went through a lot of racism. my mum, my mum was eetteh— racism. my mum, my mum was eettet. thew— racism. my mum, my mum was called. they were _ racism. my mum, my mum was called. they were called the h—went. — called. they were called the h—went. tweet— called. they were called the p—word. every day. they weren't weteemeh— p—word. every day. they weren'ti weteemeh—the welcomed. but going back to the eeeet— welcomed. but going back to the eeeenwt-net— welcomed. but going back to the coconut not because coconut wood, it's not because i exeeet— coconut wood, it's not because i exeeet-hehewe- coconut wood, it's not because i eeheet-hehewe e- coconut wood, it's not because i expect behave a certain expect them to behave a certain wet.— expect them to behave a certain wee—mem.- expect them to behave a certain wew—mwetelti way. i love english music, but i hewen-t— way. i love english music, but i haven't forgotten— way. i love english music, but i haven't forgotten where i've - new.— haven't forgotten where i've come - now, i'm - haven't forgotten where i've - come - now, i'm - saying come from. now, i'm not saying retent— come from. now, i'm not saying then—eet— come from. now, i'm not saying then—eet te- come from. now, i'm not saying. rishi—got to remember rishi sunak have got to remember where— where they've come from, but thew— where they've come from, but thew-hnewn— where they've come from, but they - brown faces - where they've come from, but they brown faces being used they are brown faces being used to they are brown faces being used te enen— they are brown faces being used te hweh neetet— they are brown faces being used to push racist policy. so they are so. so that's. that's your view. but that i think then diminish is their own brilliance as people . because from what i as people. because from what i can see, rishi sunak , even can see, rishi sunak, even though i may not support some of his policies , is a brilliant his policies, is a brilliant politician. okay there politician. okay he is there not because sort of token because he's some sort of token and of the colour of his and because of the colour of his skin. is. he is skin. i think he is. he is there because good he because he's good at what he does. has managed does. he has managed to persuade. look ursula von der leyen, cat eyes that leyen, you saw the cat eyes that she managed she was giving him. he's managed to macron. to get on with macron. he's managed get done. hang managed to get things done. hang on. it's not because he's on. and it's not because he's not in position because of not in the position because of the colour of his skin. he's there his there because the people in his party to it. and party wanted him to lead it. and you way they did

you saw the way they did everything get rid of liz everything to get rid of liz truss. went she was truss. she went and she was voted in because i don't necessarily agree with the way it happened. but what i'm saying is people backed him because they thought he would do the job. at the job. and actually looking at the job. and actually looking at the job doing job he's doing, he's doing a whole lot better than any of the others. i you diminish others. so i think you diminish his and his ability by saying and soulless by saying that they're only representative only there as a representative because of their because of the colour of their skin. it's and skin. i think it's wrong and it's no. well, it's also racist. no. well, racist. shall it's also racist. no. well, racist . shall i tell you racist. shall i tell you something?— ”c�*tf. shall i tell you something? they aren't there. t hey— something? they aren't there. they ee— something? they aren't there. they are there— something? they aren't there. they are there because of the eeewt— they are there because of the emem-ethn- they are there because of the colour skin. actually they are there because of the colino, skin. actually they are there because of the colino, because. (in. actually they are there because of the colino, because. (in. actuarishi no, no, because. because rishi swnet— no, no, because. because rishi emet—wette- no, no, because. because rishi sunak—would noti no, no, because. because rishi- sunak_would not have sunak was she. he would not have men— sunak was she. he would not have heen-hw— sunak was she. he would not have been-by members. - sunak was she. he would not have been by members. the been voted in by members. the way— been voted in by members. the way-put— been voted in by members. the wet-hut tn— been voted in by members. the wet-hut tn wee- been voted in by members. the way put in was because way he was put in was because they— way he was put in was because thew-het— way he was put in was because they-he'd never- way he was put in was because they-he'd never be- way he was put in was because they he'd never be voted they knew he'd never be voted in. they knew he'd never be voted tn. ant— they knew he'd never be voted in. and actually— they knew he'd never be voted in. and actually resign. suella swette— in. and actually resign. suella suella braverman is disgusting in suella braverman is disgusting tn the— suella braverman is disgusting tn the wet— suella braverman is disgusting tn the we ehe— suella braverman is disgusting in the way she talks. she's a neetet— in the way she talks. she's a neetet .— in the way she talks. she's a neetet . hw— in the way she talks. she's a racist , by the _ in the way she talks. she's a racist , by the way. git g racist, by the way. i'm going to stop you there. one second. one second, one second. so just in case anyone's offended by this, second, one second. so just in casthetyone's offended by this, second, one second. so just in casthe way,e's offended by this, second, one second. so just in casthe way, we tffended by this, second, one second. so just in casthe way, we tffeiapologise. s, second, one second. so just in casthe way, we tffeiapologise. and by the way, we do apologise. and also defend also that's not here to defend herself, let's move herself, but let's move on. let's. anyway, in my let's. okay. so anyway, in my view, does that that is view, that does that that is what think very racist. what i think is very racist. obviously some listening obviously some people listening may and we do

may be offended and we do apologise you are apologise deeply. if you are offended who be offended by that, who would be offended by that, who would be offended nana i'm offended by that? nana i'm offended. i'm offended . offended. no, no, i'm offended. i'm offended by her policies and the—het- i'm offended by her policies and the—but that's- the way she talks, but that's net—eetew- the way she talks, but that's not—colour of. the way she talks, but that's. not—colour of her not based on the colour of her ettn. — not based on the colour of her ettn. lt— not based on the colour of her skin. .i think— not based on the colour of her skin. .i think we- not based on the colour of herj skin. .i think we _this skin. so i think we need this isn't. no. thing. isn't. no, no, no. us thing. that is quite insulting. that term is quite insulting. you when you anyway, when that term is quite insulting. youp when you anyway, when that term is quite insulting. you p word.vhen you anyway, when that term is quite insulting. you p word. that's)u anyway, when that term is quite insulting. you p word. that's youryway, when that term is quite insulting. you p word. that's your they're hen the p word. that's your they're all insulting. they're insulting because you're insulting an entire race. when you call someone lcoconut,- hi; it: i when you call someone coconut, you're someone a coconut, you're judging— someone a coconut, you're judging not judging personal. no, you're not tnewtttne— judging personal. no, you're not insulting-whole— judging personal. no, you're not insulting-whole-n0,i insulting the whole race. no, wen-te— insulting the whole race. no, wen-e judging— insulting the whole race. no, you're judging based you're judging someone based on the i am the colour of the skin. i am judging. no. it's wrong the colour of the skin. i am jiit'sng. no. it's wrong the colour of the skin. i am jiit's wrong. no. it's wrong the colour of the skin. i am jiit's wrong. ito. it's wrong the colour of the skin. i am jiit's wrong. it really it's wrong the colour of the skin. i am jiit's wrong. it really is s wrong . it's wrong. it really is wrong. and i personally am offended know offended by it. and i know people watching listening people watching and listening will it. so will be offended by it. so again, apologise if anybody is again, i apologise if anybody is offended. but anyway, it was something to something i wanted to talk to you because i thought it you about because i thought it was important you know, was important that, you know, that another that actually there's another side to that conversation and a lot be deeply lot of people would be deeply offended so i just wanted offended by it. so i just wanted to up. let's move offended by it. so i just wanted to because up. let's move offended by it. so i just wanted to because up. have.et's move offended by it. so i just wanted to because up. have made ove offended by it. so i just wanted to because up. have made some offended by it. so i just wanted to iwaves.e up. have made some offended by it. so i just wanted to iwaves. there'sve made some offended by it. so i just wanted to iwaves. there'svelottde some offended by it. so i just wanted to iwaves. there'svelot of some offended by it. so i just wanted to iwaves. there's ve lot of the ne real waves. there's a lot of the things you said, you've been things you said, but you've been doing so we were doing a lot, too. so we were talking family. talking about your family. we're talking about your family. we're talyou have, brothers and do you have, brothers and sisters? what's the do you have, brothers and sisteiwith what's the do you have, brothers and sisteiwith your what's the do you have, brothers and sisteiwith your family? so the do you have, brothers and sisteiwith your family? so two deal with your family? so two older brothers,-one- : i 7 so two older brothers, one brother older brothers, but one brother heeeet—weene- older brothers, but one brother passed _years ago,| passed away three years ago, tnet— passed away three years ago, imt hetene— passed away three years ago, just before covid of cancer. whether—tn-

another older brother in newcastle,— newcastle, sisters in newcastle. t hey— newcastle, sisters in newcastle. they _ newcastle i they have a shop in newcastle ent— they have a shop in newcastle ene—tenth- and that was the family henee — and that was the family. business. _in business. so i grew up in a eeme-t— business. so i grew up in a corner-i used- business. so i grew up in a. corner-i used-up business. so i grew up in a- corner-i used-up at corner shop. i used to get up at the— corner shop. i used to get up at the-the— corner shop. i used to get up at the-the tn— corner shop. i used to get up at like .five in the— corner shop. i used to get up at like five in the morning, like half five in the morning, went—yeere- like half five in the morning, went—years old,i like half five in the morning,. went—years old, put went from seven years old, put the heheee— went from seven years old, put the heheee ewt. — went from seven years old, put the papers out. know, the papers out. you know, i ten-t— the papers out. you know, i ten-t the— the papers out. you know, i don't like the— the papers out. you know, i don't like the whole i've had a hene— don't like the whole i've had a hene-het— don't like the whole i've had a hene-hee ht.- don't like the whole i've had a hard-had it. so- hard life. i've had it. so heeeee— hard life. i've had it. so because hard because we've all had a hard the.— because we've all had a hard the-wen— because we've all had a hard life,-you know,- because we've all had a hard. life,-you know, we're life, we're all, you know, we're all life, we're all, you know, we're ett—wett- life, we're all, you know, we're ett—wett -l life, we're all, you know, we're. ett—wett . hwt all struggling now as well. but then— all struggling now as well. but thenlttt— all struggling now as well. but thenlttt big— all struggling now as well. but then did big brother then i did big brother because a lot then i did big brother because a tet—wew— then i did big brother because a tet—wew-t- lot of people, you know, i wentet— lot of people, you know, i wentet te— lot of people, you know, i wanted to famous. no one else wanted to be famous. no one else wewtt— wanted to be famous. no one else went-thet— wanted to be famous. no one else would _that-then. - would admit that back then. i theweht— would admit that back then. i thewehtlwee— would admit that back then. i thought was struggling thought i was a struggling eeteee— thought i was a struggling- eetneee—tetne actress and i thought by doing big—going- actress and i thought by doing hte—eetne te- actress and i thought by doing big—going to putl actress and i thought by doing big on going to put actress and i thought by doing big on the going to put actress and i thought by doing big on the map.going to put actress and i thought by doing big on the map. butg to put actress and i thought by doing big on the map. but itto put actress and i thought by doing big on the map. but it putut actress and i thought by doing big on the map. but it put me on me on the map. but it put me on the-whene— me on the map. but it put me on the-wnene wew. - me on the map. but it put me on the-wrong way. and- the map the wrong way. and i remember coming of big remember coming out of big hnethen— remember coming out of big heemee-the— remember coming out of big brother the public were brother and the public were tenteette— brother and the public were tenteette .— brother and the public were fantastic . the— brother and the public were fantastic . the love i got from fantastic. the love i got from the— fantastic. the love i got from the hwhtte— fantastic. the love i got from the public was— fantastic. the love i got from the public was just lovely . the public was just lovely. heehte— the public was just lovely. heehte wee— the public was just lovely. people were nice and the thing ehewt— people were nice and the thing ehewt ete— people were nice and the thing about big brother— people were nice and the thing about big brother is the public whe— about big brother is the public whe tewe— about big brother is the public who love reality— about big brother is the public who love reality tv , they won't who love reality tv, they won't eetweth— who love reality tv, they won't eetweth het— who love reality tv, they won't eetweth pm we— who love reality tv, they won't actually put up with racism. thet-e— actually put up with racism. thet-e ene— actually put up with racism. that's one thing— actually put up with racism. that's one thing they will not put— that's one thing they will not put up— that's one thing they will not pm we wttn— that's one thing they will not put up with. and— that's one thing they will not put up with. and they don't like enwthtne—et- put up with. and they don't like anything of wrong. anything that's kind of wrong. and.— anything that's kind of wrong. ant. wen— anything that's kind of wrong. ant. you thew.— anything that's kind of wrong. and, you know, they voted nadia to and, you know, they voted nadia te-she — and, you know, they voted nadia te-she wee— and, you know, they voted nadia te-she e— and, you know, they voted nadia to she was a transvestite . to win. she was a transvestite. she— to win. she was a transvestite. she wee— to win. she was a transvestite. she was .first _ to win. she was a transvestite. she was first transvestite she was the first transvestite to she was the first transvestite te- t — she was the first transvestite te-t thtnt- she was the first transvestite i to-i think-british to win. well i think the british heehte— to win. well i think the british heehte-thtnt— to win. well i think the british people think they're very people are i think they're very eeeehttng. — people are i think they're very eeeehttng. .t-m- people are i think they're very accepting. .i'm very- people are i think they're very accepting. wig people are i think they're very- accepting. .i'm very proud to accepting. and i'm very proud to be british. i'm accepting as

well, things i like. yes. well, of all things i like. yes. so you got big brother. how so you got into big brother. how and go there and and why did you go on there and how in? what was the how did you get in? what was the it was people think that you just up at the door and you just turn up at the door and you with your suitcase. it was like six with your suitcase. it was like eh menthe— with your suitcase. it was like six months-auditioning- i i it was like six months auditioning and, six months of auditioning and, you— six months of auditioning and, wen-tt— six months of auditioning and, wen-t-tletene- six months of auditioning and, you i'd along thinking six months of auditioning and, you not i'd along thinking six months of auditioning and, you not i'd to along thinking six months of auditioning and, you not i'd to get�*ig thinking six months of auditioning and, you not i'd to get in.thinking six months of auditioning and, you not i'd to get in. anding i'm not going to get in. and the ether— i'm not going to get in. and the ether-wette— i'm not going to get in. and the other-you're going- other reason you're going to teeth— other reason you're going to tewehlthte— other reason you're going to laugh-this,-in- other reason you're going to laugh this, in and other reason you're going to. laugh-this,-in and i'd laugh at this, i went in and i'd go laugh at this, i went in and i'd teltne— laugh at this, i went in and i'd golthe auditions— laugh at this, i went in and i'd go the auditions thinking, go to the auditions thinking, in — go to the auditions thinking,- t-m _the i'm never going to get into the heme—wtthl house because i argued with eweeneh— house because i argued with ewehene—t-mi house because i argued with. ewehene—t-m net everyone and i thought, i'm not eetttne— everyone and i thought, i'm not tetng-enme- everyone and i thought, i'm not getting anyone. they getting on with anyone. they the— getting on with anyone. they tewe-t— getting on with anyone. they love-i didn't— getting on with anyone. they love i didn't that getting on with anyone. they love becauseidn't that getting on with anyone. they love because remember, :hat getting on with anyone. they love because remember, my big then because remember, my big hnethen— then because remember, my big hnethen wee— then because remember, my big brother was of— then because remember, my big brother was of the _ then because remember, my big brother was of the first. so i'd go brother was of the first. so i'd ee-ewttttene— brother was of the first. so i'd. go-auditions-oh brother was of the first. so i'd. goigod,|auditions-oh brother was of the first. so i'd. goigod, i'veiitions-oh brother was of the first. so i'd go god, i've argued oh brother was of the first. so i'd go god, i've argued with oh my god, i've argued with eeehe eh— my god, i've argued with everyone. oh my god, i've upset everyone. and that's exactly the eee—he - everyone. and that's exactly the eee—he tn| reason they chose me to go in the— reason they chose me to go in the heee — reason they chose me to go in the house-when- reason they chose me to go in the house. when you into reason they chose me to go in the brother, when you into reason they chose me to go in the brother, it'svhen you into reason they chose me to go in the brother, it's .ten you into reason they chose me to go in the brother, it's . it's.(ou into reason they chose me to go in the brother, it's . it's. i've into big brother, it's. it's. i've heen— big brother, it's. it's. i've been stuck— big brother, it's. it's. i've been stuck in— big brother, it's. it's. i've been stuck in this studio , so been stuck in this studio, so you,— been stuck in this studio, so youe me— been stuck in this studio, so wen. hen— been stuck in this studio, so you, me, dan wootton , nigel you, me, dan wootton, nigel heneee.— you, me, dan wootton, nigel temee. att— you, me, dan wootton, nigel farage- htt et— you, me, dan wootton, nigel farage. all of us— you, me, dan wootton, nigel farage. all of us stood together there.— farage. all of us stood together there. ent— farage. all of us stood together there, and you're— farage. all of us stood together there, and you're hungry , and there, and you're hungry, and wen-we— there, and you're hungry, and wen-we eet— there, and you're hungry, and wen-we eet ne— there, and you're hungry, and you've got no communication. you are you've got no communication. you hehee— you've got no communication. you nhhet eeen— you've got no communication. you are ripped apart from everything you are ripped apart from everything wen thew.— are ripped apart from everything you knew ent— are ripped apart from everything you know, and love. you're going to you know, and love. you're going te eeene— you know, and love. you're going te eeene ee— you know, and love. you're going to argue so that's— you know, and love. you're going to argue so that's where all the enewmente— to argue so that's where all the emwmente enh— to argue so that's where all the arguments only a— to argue so that's where all the arguments only a very strong heeen— arguments only a very strong person can-out. - arguments only a very strong person can out. 910 weeks person can last out. 910 weeks ent— person can last out. 910 weeks ene-eeene— person can last out. 910 weeks and-argue with— person can last out. 910 weeks and argue with one single and not argue with one single ether— and not argue with one single ethen heeen — and not argue with one single ethen hee — and not argue with one single other person. i'd— and not argue with one single other person. t: and not argue with one single other person. g other person. i'd be all right. i'd right with it. but other person. i'd be all right. i'd argue right with it. but

other person. i'd be all right. i'd argue witht with it. but other person. i'd be all right. i'd argue with allth it. but other person. i'd be all right. i'd argue with all of it. but other person. i'd be all right. i'd argue with all of them. you might be first out. i know i'd be one because they be the last one out because they did the horrible did want to do all the horrible things they to things to me. they want to see the arguments. yeah, the arguments. but yeah, but. but it is interesting. so after that, didn't who won but it is interesting. so after that,one? didn't who won but it is interesting. so after that,one? didn't brian/ho won but it is interesting. so after that,one? didn't brian dowling. but it is interesting. so after that,odowling't brian dowling. but it is interesting. so after that,odowling . brian dowling. but it is interesting. so after that,odowling . yeah. dowling. but it is interesting. so after that,odowling . yeah. yeah,ing. brian dowling. yeah. yeah, he ne— brian dowling. yeah. yeah, he was. he won that— brian dowling. yeah. yeah, he was. he won that one. i didn't -eeme— was. he won that one. i didn't -eeme ent— was. he won that one. i didn't win.-came out and- win. and i came out and i remember-to. win. and i came out and i. remember-to carry remember i wanted to carry on tetng— remember i wanted to carry on tetng-nememhen- remember i wanted to carry on doing remember to doing tv. i remember going to hee— doing tv. i remember going to hee-t— doing tv. i remember going to hee-t-e- doing tv. i remember going to bbc-i-a meeting| bbc actually, i had a meeting wttn— bbc actually, i had a meeting wtth—whl bbc actually, i had a meeting. wtth—wh thene with someone very high up there and with someone very high up there ene—ant- and i never forget this. and they— and i never forget this. and thew-me— and i never forget this. and thew-me .- and i never forget this. and they-me , well,- and i never forget this. and they me , well, we can they said to me, well, we can enh— they said to me, well, we can enh het— they said to me, well, we can enh hwt en— they said to me, well, we can only put an asian— they said to me, well, we can only put an asian as a newsreader,- only put an asian as a newsreader, really see that. and eetweth— newsreader, really see that. and eetweth we— newsreader, really see that. and actually we suggest you go to tntten— actually we suggest you go to indian channels,— actually we suggest you go to indian channels, go to, i don't thew.— indian channels, go to, i don't know, whatever— indian channels, go to, i don't know, whatever the indian ehennete— know, whatever the indian channels were— know, whatever the indian channels were there, i'd go to the— channels were there, i'd go to the-channels,- channels were there, i'd go to the-channels, but- channels were there, i'd go to the channels, but i came the indian channels, but i came out the indian channels, but i came ewtlhte— the indian channels, but i came out-big brother,— the indian channels, but i came out-big brother, so- the indian channels, but i came out big brother, so i came out of big brother, so i came ent— out of big brother, so i came out-mainstream - out of big brother, so i came out mainstream they'd out of mainstream and they'd eete— out of mainstream and they'd said,_actually. out of mainstream and they'di said, _actually just out of mainstream and they'di se'bit_actually just out of mainstream and they'd se'bit western actually just out of mainstream and they'd se'bit western for:ually just out of mainstream and they'd se'bit western for us. ly just out of mainstream and they'd se'bit western for us. you st a bit too western for us. you heee— a bit too western for us. you heee-heee— a bit too western for us. you need - back to - a bit too western for us. you need back to bbc or itv. need to go back to bbc or itv. t hey— need to go back to bbc or itv. thew then-t— need to go back to bbc or itv. they didn't want— need to go back to bbc or itv. they didn't want because they they didn't want me because they then-t— they didn't want me because they ennt-whene— didn't know to where put an tntten—wee- didn't know to where put an. indian _was opinion indian woman who was opinion ehtttet. — indian woman who was opinion ehtttet. thew— indian woman who was opinion shifted. they said— indian woman who was opinion shifted. they said it will not sit shifted. they said it will not ett nent— shifted. they said it will not ett nent-enh— shifted. they said it will not sit right-anylour- sit right with any of our viewers. you— sit right with any of our viewers. you need to just. i went— viewers. you need to just. i went-ven- viewers. you need to just. i went-vew-tel viewers. you need to just. i. went-you-to the viewers. you need to just. i- went-you-to the right went away. you come to the right place and gb news. and when i came to place and gb news. and when i te eh— place and gb news. and when i came to gb news,— place and gb news. and when i came to gb news, my- i e�*t: [15 h and when i came to gb news, my own eemmwnttw— came to gb news, my own community said, are you selling tenteett— community said, are you selling yourself short?— community said, are you selling yourself short? oh— community said, are you selling yourself short? oh my god, wen-we— yourself short? oh my god, wen-we eete— yourself short? oh my god, you've sold your- yourself short? oh my god, you've sold your soul to the

tent.— you've sold your soul to the tent—ten- you've sold your soul to the devil._for all. you've sold your soul to the. devil._for all the devil. but actually, for all the ehttetem— devil. but actually, for all the criticism, gb _ devil. but actually, for all the criticism, gb news gets, they the— criticism, gb news gets, they the thew— criticism, gb news gets, they the they put— criticism, gb news gets, they take, they put me on. they let me— take, they put me on. they let me newe— take, they put me on. they let me hewe my— take, they put me on. they let me have my opinion . they want an me have my opinion. they want an thew— me have my opinion. they want an they went— me have my opinion. they want an they went en— me have my opinion. they want an they want an indian— me have my opinion. they want an they want an indian woman whose ehtnten— they want an indian woman whose ehtnten he— they want an indian woman whose ehtnten he wen— they want an indian woman whose opinion do you know what you wente — opinion do you know what you wente went— opinion do you know what you want? : git opinion do you know what you- want? want somebody who's got an opinion, whether you're asian or whatever, whatever is, whatever, whatever it is, exactly want. people exactly what we want. people are prepared stand views prepared to stand by their views and think and be and say what they think and be honest it. honest and genuine about it. yes. stand your yes. and you do stand by your views. you're very honest and genuine what's next genuine about it. so what's next for what in your head? for you then? what in your head? where yourself where would you see yourself and what be? probably where would you see yourself and wheown be? probably where would you see yourself and wheown on be? probably where would you see yourself and wheown on gb be? probably where would you see yourself and wheown on gb be? pithinking my own show on gb news. thinking about show i was thinking about this show i was thinking about. think. yeah, but. about. but i think. yeah, but. but about. but i think. yeah, but. hut-meen-wewi about. but i think. yeah, but.- but-mean,-you say but i think i mean, when you say eetnteneteh— but i think i mean, when you say opinionated,-got- but i think i mean, when you say opinionated, got into opinionated, i know. got into a lot opinionated, i know. got into a tet et— opinionated, i know. got into a lot of trouble— opinionated, i know. got into a lot of trouble with— opinionated, i know. got into a lot of trouble with the whole hwten— lot of trouble with the wholei hwten—t dylan, the whole being. and i thew— dylan, the whole being. and i thew-wett. — dylan, the whole being. and i know-well. yeah.- dylan, the whole being. and i know well. “4153" item dylan, the whole being. and i- know .well. yeah. what were know you well. yeah. what were your thoughts yeah. your thoughts on that? yeah. no, i think it's okay. i really ten-t— no, i think it's okay. i really don't understand yourself don't understand why yourself ent— don't understand why yourself ene—t- don't understand why yourself ene—t ten-ti and i know you don't. i don't the— and i know you don't. i don't the-ete— and i know you don't. i don't like-cis woman- and i know you don't. i don't like cis woman either, and i know you don't. i don't like way. cis woman either, and i know you don't. i don't like way. i cis woman either, and i know you don't. i don't like way. i don't)man either, and i know you don't. i don't like way. i don't likei either, by the way. i don't like it newne— by the way. i don't like it hewne eete— by the way. i don't like it having said-it- by the way. i don't like it having said it doesn't having said that, it doesn't ettent— having said that, it doesn't offend-that— having said that, it doesn't offend that dylan and trans offend me that dylan and trans women are used— offend me that dylan and trans women are used in— offend me that dylan and trans women are used in adverts for heheh— women are used in adverts for women. nobody cares why ? �*ftt�*m7 women. nobody cares why? what? whet— women. nobody cares why? what? whet te— women. nobody cares why? what? whet he the— women. nobody cares why? what? what is the problem? _ women. nobody cares why? 7 what is the problem? . what is the problem? it's not thet.— what is the problem? it's not mm the— what is the problem? it's not thet. tt-e net— what is the problem? it's not that. it's not that. it's more the fact that dylan is not a

woman. dylan is a man. and dylan is posing as though selling is posing as though he's selling tampons like that. so tampons and things like that. so he's tampons. he's promoting tampons. he will never period. it never have a period. so it doesn't make to me. doesn't make any sense to me. and then he is selling sports bras or promoting sports bras. he doesn't have any breasts. and he's problem with he's a man. and the problem with that are some that is that there are some brilliant and brilliant female athletes and people be brilliant people who would be brilliant for that. i've never had these kind are kind of these kind of jobs are being taken by men. he's a man and don't want to see and i don't want to see that. i want to see being promoted want to see women being promoted and women , and women being called women, not cis women. i want to see not cis women. and i want to see trans women being called trans women because they're not women . difference. iknow. women because they're not women . in difference. i know. women because they're not women . in diof rence. i know. women because they're not women . in diof the e. i know. women because they're not women . in diof the advertising, but in terms of the advertising, when—ewehl when i was growing up, every whe— when i was growing up, every whe ehen— when i was growing up, every nike advert or— when i was growing up, every nike advert or whatever it was, i nike advert or whatever it was, t then-t— nike advert or whatever it was, i didn't relate— nike advert or whatever it was, i didn't relate to,— nike advert or whatever it was, i didn't relate to, i— nike advert or whatever it was, i didn't relate to, i didn't teeth— i didn't relate to, i didn't really-care.- i didn't relate to, i didn't really care. there really didn't care. there was, you— really didn't care. there was, wen—heee- really didn't care. there was, wen—heee we- really didn't care. there was,- you_moss no boobs, no you know, kate moss no boobs, no hthe— you know, kate moss no boobs, no hthe ne— you know, kate moss no boobs, no hthe. ne thtehe— you know, kate moss no boobs, no hthe. ne thtghe. t— you know, kate moss no boobs, no hips, no thighs. i didn't relate to hips, no thighs. i didn't relate te thet. — hips, no thighs. i didn't relate to that. yeah,— hips, no thighs. i didn't relate to that. yeah, but- hips, no thighs. i didn't relate to that. “415?" e hips, no thighs. i didn't relate to that. 43?" to that. yeah, but she's no, she's a woman. why to that. yeah, but she's no, she's still a woman. why to that. yeah, but she's no, she's still a woman. she's why to that. yeah, but she's no, she's still a woman. she's still' she's still a woman. she's still a period relate as woman. i a period relate as a woman. i didn't relate to. and woman didn't relate to. and no woman is to relate to. no woman is going to relate to. no woman is going to relate to a man selling things. don't selling those things. i don't relate to him. do you relate to dylan selling bras? dylan selling nike bras? i really to really don't. i didn't relate to kate so you're saying that kate moss. so you're saying that

you him because you don't relate to him because he's boobs, you he's got no boobs, but you did it. and don't and it. kate moss and i don't and i then-t— it. kate moss and i don't and i ennt-te— it. kate moss and i don't and i tttn-t-te. het— it. kate moss and i don't and i didn't-to. butlyou've. didn't relate to. but if you've got— didn't relate to. but if you've eetlwemen— didn't relate to. but if you'vei gotlwoman-pram got a woman pushing a pram ehentetne— got a woman pushing a pram advertising-she- got a woman pushing a pram. advertising-she-not advertising around, she may not newe— advertising around, she may noti hewe—nethtne. have a baby that means nothing. i have a baby that means nothing. t-wntenetent— have a baby that means nothing. i-understand . _ have a baby that means nothing. i-understand . we- have a baby that means nothing. i understand . we; t:t:::t" . i don't understand. we don't mtnt— i don't understand. we don't mind don't demonise mind that. i don't like demonise a trans woman. nobody's demonising trans women. it's just is just saying that that is actually inappropriate of actually an inappropriate use of this in i this person. and in fact, i think by think they're being used by those corporations . i those big corporations. and i think as well, think that's wrong as well, because not actually fair because it's not actually fair on dylan either, because if i was woman somebody on dylan either, because if i was would woman somebody on dylan either, because if i was would womdo somebody on dylan either, because if i was would womdo this somebody on dylan either, because if i was would wom do this fornebody said, would you do this for $150,000, i'd probably say yes. but back, the backlash but then the back, the backlash that come with it for dylan that has come with it for dylan isn't actually very pleasant. so in my view, think it's almost in my view, i think it's almost these are weaponizing these companies are weaponizing these companies are weaponizing the community to try the trans community to try and push they're getting push and they're also getting a lot also getting lot of love. he's also getting a lot of love. he's also getting a tet—th— lot of love. he's also getting a lot—my daughter's. lot of love. he's also getting a lot she - my daughter's. he's also getting a lot she goes, my daughter's he's also getting a lot she goes, it'st daughter's he's also getting a lot she goes, it's notaughter's he's also getting a lot she goes, it's notau bigzr's 15. she goes, it's not a big eeet.— 15. she goes, it's not a big eeet-_t- 15. she goes, it's not a big deal.-i don't. 15. she goes, it's not a big. deal.-i don't wake 15. she goes, it's not a big- deal.-i don't wake up deal. she goes, i don't wake up every—he's- every morning thinking he's teten— every morning thinking he's teten my— every morning thinking he's taken my woman's place. it's not it's taken my woman's place. it's not tt-e—e— taken my woman's place. it's not tt-e—e big— taken my woman's place. it's not tt-e—e big eeet.- it's really isn't a big deal. hene— it's really isn't a big deal. hene wett— it's really isn't a big deal. nana well, maybe not. mfg nana well, maybe not. maybe not to wen— nana well, maybe not. maybe not to wen. het— nana well, maybe not. maybe not to you, but budweiser might think as think differently, seeing as their off their share price has gone off their share price has gone off the lost. the cliff and they've lost. well, even heard of well, i hadn't even heard of bud light it. well. so light until he did it. well. so it's a people, but it's worth a lot of people, but a people firing at a lot of people are firing at their all sorts of their cans and all sorts of

stuff. it's not really stuff. so it's not really working out well for them. but it's to talk to you. it's been great to talk to you. time is time flies. tempus fugit, is that narinder that it? that's great. narinder kaun that it? that's great. narinder kaur, so much. she's kaur, thank you so much. she's been kaur, thank you so much. she's beeinot that shouty. all just not that shouty. she's all right . she. she's a reality right. she. she's a reality star. her here at gb star. and we love her here at gb news. you much, amanda. news. thank you so much, amanda. it's you. all it's lovely to talk to you. all right. it's great right. coming up, it's the great british hour. british debate this hour. and i'm we scrap i'm asking, should we scrap smart altogether? stay smart motorways altogether? stay tuned. next .

good afternoon. it's coming up to 24 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv onune is gb news. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. it's time now for our great british debate this hour . great british debate this hour. i'm asking, should we get rid of all motorways? now, the all smart motorways? now, the government that all smart motorways? now, the gov building that all smart motorways? now, the gov building of that all smart motorways? now, the gov building of all that all smart motorways? now, the gov building of all smartiat the building of all new smart motorways cancelled motorways is being cancelled because of cost and safety concerns . 14 plan schemes, which concerns. 14 plan schemes, which includes 11 already on pause and three set for construction are set be scrapped due to set to be scrapped due to finances and low public

confidence . so do confidence. so what do you think? motorways are think? smart motorways are awful. i think personally . awful. i think personally. excuse me. they stretch . it's my excuse me. they stretch. it's my asthma . sorry. they use the hard asthma. sorry. they use the hard shoulders as an extra lane of traffic, which critics claim has led to road deaths. so should we scrap them altogether? all right. joining great right. joining me for the great british communications british debate is communications officer at ibrahim and officer at the iea, ibrahim and journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. just the two of you then all right, great. well, we'll start with reema reem. yes. so i think obviously the stats behind the smart motorways, it seems as though there is a slightly higher risk of death when it comes to these. i mean, ehwtemtw— comes to these. i mean, obviously, traffic - i mean, obviously, traffic accidents hehhen— obviously, traffic accidents hehhen ett— obviously, traffic accidents happen all the— obviously, traffic accidents happen all the time and they're tnenetthh— happen all the time and they're incredibly tragic,— happen all the time and they're incredibly tragic, incredibly eet.— incredibly tragic, incredibly eeet-t— incredibly tragic, incredibly sad. .i think— incredibly tragic, incredibly sad.-i think ,- incredibly tragic, incredibly sad. i think , you know, sad. but i think, you know, meteewewe— sad. but i think, you know, motorways-only- sad. but i think, you know, motorways only as safe as motorways are only as safe as them— motorways are only as safe as theh heheee— motorways are only as safe as their drivers-think. their drivers are. and i think eetwettw— their drivers are. and i think actually, when— their drivers are. and i think actually, when we away actually, when we take away tneee— actually, when we take away heee-eetee— actually, when we take away these extra capacity, these this extra capacity, eteenh— these this extra capacity, clearly this— these this extra capacity, clearly this is- these this extra capacity, clearly this is the government's een— clearly this is the government's eeet et— clearly this is the government's sort of problem.— clearly this is the government's sort of problem. the government's wider plan take government's wider plan to take ewew— government's wider plan to take ewew-eeheettw - away this extra capacity, which is away this extra capacity, which te—te — away this extra capacity, which te—te meen- away this extra capacity, which is_to mean that- away this extra capacity, which i is_to mean that more is now going to mean that more heehte— is now going to mean that more heehte-teneet- people are now forced to use hwhtte— people are now forced to use public transport. i public transport. i think your mike's going, am i going to go

to we'll back to to danny and we'll come back to you? i mentioned you? danny well, as i mentioned earlier, of smart earlier, i'm a fan of smart motorways. miles motorways. i drive 100 miles hem—te- motorways. i drive 100 miles from _to come. motorways. i drive 100 miles. from _to come down from the midlands to come down to—sunday- from the midlands to come down to—sunday. andi to the studios every sunday. and this this— to the studios every sunday. and this this afternoon— to the studios every sunday. and this this afternoon i counted five— this this afternoon i counted five cars— this this afternoon i counted five cars that— this this afternoon i counted five cars that had broken down and— five cars that had broken down and they— five cars that had broken down and they wee— five cars that had broken down and they were in— five cars that had broken down and they were in the safety and the sanctuary— and they were in the safety and the sanctuary of— and they were in the safety and the sanctuary of a— and they were in the safety and the sanctuary of a hard shoulder and— the sanctuary of a hard shoulder and established— the sanctuary of a hard shoulder and established hard shoulder. eete— and established hard shoulder. eee-error,— and established hard shoulder. lots-error,-we| lots of driver error, though we earner— lots of driver error, though we earlier on— lots of driver error, though we saw earlier on .the - lots of driver error, though we saw earlier on the that saw earlier on in the show that were— saw earlier on in the show that were-e— saw earlier on in the show that there-a caravan— saw earlier on in the show that there a caravan that was there was a caravan that was wiped— there was a caravan that was wiped-wee— there was a caravan that was wiped-the hard- there was a caravan that was wiped the hard shoulder wiped out on the hard shoulder or wiped out on the hard shoulder eeene-w— wiped out on the hard shoulder eeene-w wee— wiped out on the hard shoulder or lane that wasn't on or the live lane that wasn't on we— or the live lane that wasn't on we were— or the live lane that wasn't on the hard shoulder. . the hard shoulder. it was many— the hard shoulder. it was actually what it had done is actually on what it had done is it was the live lane, it was the running can running lane. yeah. but that can even— running lane. yeah. but that can revere-ee— running lane. yeah. but that can revere-teleme— running lane. yeah. but that can revert-tolhard shoulder.. revert back to a hard shoulder. it revert back to a hard shoulder. w—wwee— revert back to a hard shoulder. w—wwee w-wl it didn't. but what it was, it wee—ie- it didn't. but what it was, it eee— wl it didn't. but what it was, it. — w was what it had done is it was eewewee— was what it had done is it was eeeme-so.— was what it had done is it was squished-so, you- was what it had done is it was squished was what it had done is it was. squished-so, you know, like squished up. so, you know, like you've got the four lanes, then you've got the four lanes, then you've this one thin you've got like this one thin sort of not really sort of slither of not really a lane, space. lane, but just a little space. that's hard no, that's the hard shoulder. no, no, a hard no, no. that wasn't a hard shoulder. actually just shoulder. that was actually just a slither. little bit there. and it itself as close it had pushed itself in as close as it wasn't the as it could, but it wasn't the hard not on. hard shoulder, so it was not on. the point was that the point was, was that depending— the point was, was that. depending—it's the point was, was that- depending_it's a live depending on whether it's a live eene— depending on whether it's a live twee-— depending on whether it's a live lane,-a-shoulder.| lane, it can be a hard shoulder. so lane, it can be a hard shoulder. see-dew— lane, it can be a hard shoulder. se-eewlwee- lane, it can be a hard shoulder. so-day,.that time,- so on that day, at that time, wee— so on that day, at that time, wee-ewe— so on that day, at that time, that-live lane.- so on that day, at that time, that live lane. and so that was a live lane. and so wee— that was a live lane. and so wet wee— that was a live lane. and so that was driver— that was a live lane. and so that was driver error that eeweee— that was driver error that caused .truck- that was driver error that caused truck behind to caused the truck behind it to

emeew— caused the truck behind it to emeewew— nol caused the truck behind it to smash—no, no ,l caused the truck behind it to. smash—no, no , no. smash into it. no, no, no, no. of smash into it. no, no, no, no. ow cowe— smash into it. no, no, no, no. ow w— smash into it. no, no, no, no. of course it was. _ smash into it. no, no, no, no. of course it was. it- smash into it. no, no, no, no. of course it was. it wasn't deliberate,— of course it was. it wasn't deliberate, - no,| of course it was. it wasn't. deliberate,- no, no. of course it was. it wasn't- deliberate,-no, no. but deliberate, though. no, no. but whee— deliberate, though. no, no. but whee-wee.— deliberate, though. no, no. but what you, you saw what you, what you, what you saw there let's see there and obviously, let's see if clip. well, there and obviously, let's see if saw clip. well, there and obviously, let's see if saw you clip. well, there and obviously, let's see if saw you had clip. well, there and obviously, let's see if saw you had fourp. well, there and obviously, let's see if saw you had fourp. weland you saw you had four lanes and then caravan , a car then you had a caravan, a car pulling a caravan and because then you had a caravan, a car pullirwas caravan and because then you had a caravan, a car pullirwas no avan and because then you had a caravan, a car pullirwas no hard and because then you had a caravan, a car pullirwas no hard shouldesze there was no hard shoulder or nowhere pull into or nowhere for it to pull into or nowhere for it to pull into or no layby , the caravan gone no layby, the caravan had gone as close as it could to the edge of the edge of the actual road. so off like maybe two quarters of it were on the hard on, on the little tiny sliver and a little bit was on the main lane. so that's what happened. okay. so that's what happened. okay. so i'm a fan of them in- : okay. so i'm a fan of them in general. i de— so i'm a fan of them in general. i we e— so i'm a fan of them in general. i we e wee— so i'm a fan of them in general. i we e we ef— so i'm a fan of them in general. i do a lot of motoring, a lot of driving,— i do a lot of motoring, a lot of ewwwe-w— i do a lot of motoring, a lot of ewwwei-ee- i do a lot of motoring, a lot of driving,-i-as long. i do a lot of motoring, a lot of driving, i as long as driving, and i think as long as the controls— driving, and i think as long as the controls are— driving, and i think as long as the controls are in— driving, and i think as long as the controls are in place and as long— the controls are in place and as long-system— the controls are in place and as long-system works,- the controls are in place and as long system works, one long as the system works, one wine— long as the system works, one thing-unaware- long as the system works, one thing-unaware of. thing that i was unaware of unw— thing that i was unaware of eem we— thing that i was unaware of until we spoke— thing that i was unaware of until we spoke to that lady who wegeeeuw— tragically lost her husband. veere— tragically lost her husband. veew ewe— tragically lost her husband. yeah one thing— tragically lost her husband. yeah one thing i was unaware of wow— yeah one thing i was unaware of was how ineffective the system is . was how ineffective the system we . se— was how ineffective the system we . so my— was how ineffective the system is . so my position— was how ineffective the system is . so my position after is. so my position after weeewwg— is. so my position after listening to— is. so my position after listening to claire's story, eeene— listening to claire's story, once again, position has once again, my position has ewwee— once again, my position has shifted somewhat to saying that they— shifted somewhat to saying that they ewewe— shifted somewhat to saying that they ewewe be— shifted somewhat to saying that they should be banned until the eweeem — they should be banned until the eweeem wowe— they should be banned until the system works correctly. now, i knew— system works correctly. now, i knew wee-e— system works correctly. now, i know that's different to aewe-e— know that's different to claire's view,- know that's different to claire's view, but my position beeee— claire's view, but my position

beeee ew— claire's view, but my position based on what— claire's view, but my position based on what i— claire's view, but my position based on what i learned this ewemeew— based on what i learned this afternoon, that— based on what i learned this afternoon, that the cameras een-e— afternoon, that the cameras een-e being— afternoon, that the cameras aren't being effectively manned, wee— aren't being effectively manned, were .— aren't being effectively manned, were . ww— aren't being effectively manned, there . my position— aren't being effectively manned, there . my position has changed there. my position has changed wee— there. my position has changed wee-everything- there. my position has changed that-everything is- that unless everything is working— that unless everything is working correctly, like a swiss weeew— working correctly, like a swiss watch,-shouldn't- working correctly, like a swiss watch, shouldn't be using watch, they shouldn't be using the were— watch, they shouldn't be using the hard shoulders. in the meenwme— the hard shoulders. in the meantime. _ the hard shoulders. in the meantime . so- the hard shoulders. in the meantime . " the hard shoulders. in the meantime. " the hard shoulders. in the- meantime . so in the meantime, meantime. so in the meantime, whilst you're waiting for them to fix this because they've said about and doing all about fixing them and doing all this, haven't about fixing them and doing all this, it. haven't about fixing them and doing all this, it. so haven't about fixing them and doing all this, it. so in haven't about fixing them and doing all this, it. so in the haven't about fixing them and doing all this, it. so in the meantime, done it. so in the meantime, people driving people are still driving on them. say, what do we them. so what i say, what do we do with— them. so what i say, what do we do with we— them. so what i say, what do we do with we we— them. so what i say, what do we do with the if that's— so what i say, what do we do with the if that's your peewew— do with the if that's your position, what - do with the if that's your- position, what _with do with the if that's your- position, what-with the position, what do we do with the ewee—ewew- position, what do we do with the ewee—ewew w- position, what do we do with the ones—exist.7 i mean,| position, what do we do with the one m25 exist? i mean, position, what do we do with the one m25 is exist? i mean, position, what do we do with the one m25 is entirely xist.7 i mean, position, what do we do with the one m25 is entirely ast.7 i mean, position, what do we do with the one m25 is entirely a smartlean, the m25 is entirely a smart meterwew— the m25 is entirely a smart motorway do we motorway already. so what do we do motorway already. so what do we eee-wee— motorway already. so what do we do-ehe ewee— motorway already. so what do we do-the ones that— motorway already. so what do we do the ones that are do with the ones that are eweeew— do with the ones that are already-that- do with the ones that are already that people are already there that people are eeme— already there that people are wewee eeiw— already there that people are wewee daily to— already there that people are using daily to .to - already there that people are using daily to to and using daily to get to work and to using daily to get to work and tee—commute- using daily to get to work and to_commute to to do their daily commute and to tewe— to do their daily commute and to twe-wee— to do their daily commute and to tewe-wee w— to do their daily commute and to take kids to school? will take the kids to school? well, whet— take the kids to school? well, what-going— take the kids to school? well, what-going w- take the kids to school? well, what-going to do- take the kids to school? well, what going to do with what are we going to do with that? my position that? well, my position is clear. second ago, clear. i said a second ago, unw— clear. i said a second ago, eem-w— clear. i said a second ago, until-it effectivelyj until we have it effectively working,— until we have it effectively working—wel until we have it effectively- working,_we should working, i don't think we should use working, i don't think we should wee—eelwwel use the hard shoulder as a live tene— use the hard shoulder as a live tewe unw— use the hard shoulder as a live lane until we— use the hard shoulder as a live lane until we-it_ use the hard shoulder as a live lane until we it effectively lane until we get it effectively working- — lane until we get it effectivelyi working- _wee working. the hard shoulder was a live working. the hard shoulder was a twe—eeeme- live lane, so you should in fact retweete— live lane, so you should in fact reinstate-shoulder- reinstate the hard shoulder unw— reinstate the hard shoulder eem—gem reinstate the hard shoulder. until—got we until they've actually got the emeww— until they've actually got the emeww ef— until they've actually got the amount of capacity that we'd wee— amount of capacity that we'd wee-wee- amount of capacity that we'd. lose _that,-amount lose if we did that, the amount of lose if we did that, the amount ef—we-e— lose if we did that, the amount ef—we-e ewe.- lose if we did that, the amount of_we'd have. - lose if we did that, the amount of_we'd have. i. of traffic that we'd have. i mean,-clearly- of traffic that we'd have. i mean,-clearly part. mean, this is clearly part of the wider agenda the government's wider agenda to get cars and into get us out of our cars and into the public transport. the public public transport. now for us down

now that's very easy for us down here— now that's very easy for us down were we— now that's very easy for us down here in london— now that's very easy for us down here in london to— now that's very easy for us down here in london to we've got here in london to say we've got tfl— here in london to say we've got m-we-we— here in london to say we've got m-we-we 90t— here in london to say we've got m-we-we got e— here in london to say we've got tfl we've got a fantastic tfl and we've got a fantastic weweeew— tfl and we've got a fantastic transport _whatl tfl and we've got a fantastic- transport_what about transport system. but what about weee— transport system. but what about weee wet— transport system. but what about weee wet ee— transport system. but what about those that are living the those that are living in the ewbwbe— those that are living in the suburbs,_are. those that are living in the. suburbs,_are living those that are living in the suburbsof are living those that are living in the suburbsof outside are living those that are living in the suburbsof outside alondon] those that are living in the suburbsof outside alondon , outside of outside of london, more rural areas,— outside of outside of london, more rural areas, they need new— more rural areas, they need their eere— more rural areas, they need their cars and— more rural areas, they need their cars and they rely on the were— their cars and they rely on the hard shoulder— their cars and they rely on the hard shoulder have that hard shoulder to have that weeeeee— hard shoulder to have that increased capacity. i'm going to say increased capacity. i'm going to eew—etu- increased capacity. i'm going toj eew—etu weee say people in london still need the say people in london still need twe—eeet the hard shoulder. well, we all we. — the hard shoulder. well, we all ee. _wee— the hard shoulder. well, we all do. _more so peoplel the hard shoulder. well, we all. do. _more so people in do. but even more so people in london. just because there's the greet—wee- great transport network, you een-t— great transport network, you eeet-e— great transport network, you can't-aldon't-thel can't get a i don't get the connection— can't get a i don't get the connection between hard connection between a hard eweweee— connection between a hard shoulder and— connection between a hard shoulder and trying get onto shoulder and trying to get onto pewte— shoulder and trying to get onto public—thel public transport. what's the connection ? well- public transport. wm if» " “cf " 7’ well well, public transport. �*vwwe. r-.- 7’ well well, it's connection? well well, it's partly— connection? well well, it's peww we— connection? well well, it's partly it's partly- twiw " “c11. 7 well well, it's partly it's partly part twiw “ “wiwt. “7 well well, it's partly it's partly part of twiw “ “wit. “7 well well, it's partly it's partly part of this weeeew-wwwe- partly it's partly part of this reason _trying to- partly it's partly part of this reason trying to reduce partly it's partly part of this reascapacity trying to reduce partly it's partly part of this reascapacity on'ing to reduce partly it's partly part of this reascapacity on on to reduce partly it's partly part of this reascapacity on on to public the capacity on on on public wewepew. — the capacity on on on public transport. _with. the capacity on on on public- transport. _with ulez, transport. same thing with ulez, eeme—eu— transport. same thing with ulez, eeme—en ef- transport. same thing with ulez, same _all of these - same thing with all of these wne— same thing with all of these we twee— same thing with all of these ltns that getting people of ltns that getting people out of new— ltns that getting people out of their-trying— ltns that getting people out of their-trying ee— ltns that getting people out of their trying to get people their cars, trying to get people mewwe. — their cars, trying to get people mewwe. lewww— their cars, trying to get people moving.ithink it's— their cars, trying to get people moving. think it's of moving. i think it's sort of part— part of this slightly more environmental agenda. w: w: environmental agenda. but did you environmental agenda. but did we not— environmental agenda. but did you not wink— environmental agenda. but did you not think that they created that they could have that so that they could have more the more traffic to allow the traffic more, traffic to flow more, more fluidly because they're thinking, what, got four thinking, what, we've got four lanes. shoulder, lanes. one is a hard shoulder, let's into a lane. and let's turn it into a lane. and then got four lanes. yeah. let's turn it into a lane. and thethere's got four lanes. yeah. let's turn it into a lane. and thethere's more four lanes. yeah. let's turn it into a lane. and thethere's more capacity. ., yeah. let's turn it into a lane. and thethere's more capacity. yeah. so there's more capacity. yeah. so there's more capacity. yeah. so why i'm support so that's why i'm in support of emee— so that's why i'm in support of emeww .— so that's why i'm in support of emeww , emee— so that's why i'm in support of smart , smart motorways because smart, smart motorways because it smart, smart motorways because we—eeeeeww- smart, smart motorways because we—eeeeeww you'rel smart, smart motorways because it support capacity you're smart, smart motorways because it support smart. ty you're smart, smart motorways because it support smart. “is wu're smart, smart motorways because it support smart. “is .re in support of smart. yes, it

wees.— in support of smart. yes, it wees-leew— in support of smart. yes, it does. don't think it does does. i don't think it does increase the capacity. i think all increase all it does is increase congestion. same congestion. i think the same amount are going use amount of cars are going to use the but they're going the motorway, but they're going to be in congestion. i'm to be in more congestion. i'm not there are going not sure that there are going to be the road. how be fewer cars on the road. how does does increase does it how does it increase eeweeewewe— does it how does it increase congestion? they've congestion? it means they've got mere—eeeee- congestion? it means they've got meweeeee—e fori more lanes and more space for teem—wen.- more lanes and more space for were _weu. w- more lanes and more space for. them _well, it increases them to move. well, it increases congestion. lane congestion. sorry, a three lane live motorway will live running motorway will be more if there are more congested if there are three lanes as opposed to four lanes. and so i don't lanes. yeah. and so i don't think it's going reduce think it's going to reduce capacity think same capacity. i think the same amount of are still going capacity. i think the same amou on)f are still going capacity. i think the same amou on the are still going capacity. i think the same amou on the same still going capacity. i think the same amou on the same motorways. to be on the same motorways. it's they'll be three it's just that they'll be three lanes rather than four lanes. i don't people not going don't think people are not going to motorways. and to drive on the motorways. and also this also the problem with this ewgwmewe— also the problem with this. ewewmewe—ewew argument as well is that they all—somewherel argument as well is that they. all—somewhere and all end up going somewhere and all end up going somewhere and all you— all end up going somewhere and an you-up— all end up going somewhere and an you-up with— all end up going somewhere and all you-up with a— all you end up with a bottleneck. - all you end up with a- bottleneck. - more all you end up with a- bottleneck.-more cars bottleneck. but with more cars running— bottleneck. but with more cars ruraren't-better- bottleneck. but with more cars ruraren't better off? so aren't you better off? actually— so aren't you better off? actually having and then if there— actually having and then if there-an— actually having and then if there an accident on on there is an accident on on a motorway— there is an accident on on a motorway that— there is an accident on on a motorway that has three live running— motorway that has three live running lanes— motorway that has three live running lanes and no hard shoulder,— running lanes and no hard shoulder, |_ running lanes and no hard shoulder, i just— running lanes and no hard shoulder, i just don't buy this . when— shoulder, i just don't buy this . when there's— shoulder, i just don't buy this . when there's an— shoulder, i just don't buy this . when there's an accident, when there-s— . when there's an accident, when there's-accident,— . when there's an accident, when there's accident, you there's an accident, then you have— there's an accident, then you have-the— there's an accident, then you have-the whole- there's an accident, then you have the whole motorway. have to stop the whole motorway. that-s— have to stop the whole motorway. mars—so — have to stop the whole motorway. mars—so and- that's the problem. so and people—andi people make mistakes and there are people make mistakes and there eee—very- people make mistakes and there eeeve—w time- are accidents. so every time there-e— are accidents. so every time there's-accident- are accidents. so every time there's accident on a smart there's an accident on a smart motorway— there's an accident on a smart motorway-entire- there's an accident on a smart

motorway entire motorway there's an accident on a smart motorrather entire motorway there's an accident on a smart motorrather than1tire motorway there's an accident on a smart motorrather than the motorway there's an accident on a smart motorrather than the hard)rway stops rather than the hard shoulder— stops rather than the hard shoulder where they can go and the shoulder where they can go and eee-een— shoulder where they can go and the-een carry— shoulder where they can go and the-can carry on. - shoulder where they can go and the can carry on. so the traffic can carry on. so i think— the traffic can carry on. so i think ire— the traffic can carry on. so i think we a— the traffic can carry on. so i think it's a false— the traffic can carry on. so i think it's a false it's a false emem-y .— think it's a false it's a false economy. i just- think it's a false it's a false economy. cc," c think it's a false it's a false. economy. i just don't-the economy. i just don't buy the argument adding extra argument that adding an extra lane increase lane doesn't somehow increase capacity. literally capacity. i mean, it's literally adding lane for more of adding an extra lane for more of these to move through and these cars to move through and manoeuvre i i manoeuvre through. i mean, i don't understand how i'm confusing argument. are you confusing your argument. are you saying that lane confusing your argument. are you saying that-lane gives. saying that an extra lane gives capacity— saying that an extra lane gives eepeeiey e— saying that an extra lane gives more capacity .7 yes. and it more capacity? yes. and it eueeee— more capacity? yes. and it reduces congestion point reduces the congestion point wm.— reduces the congestion point with the— reduces the congestion point with the smart— reduces the congestion point with the smart motorway is the reme— with the smart motorway is the eeme-yee— with the smart motorway is the eeme-yee just— with the smart motorway is the reme you just address this reme can you just address this eieueeiene— reme can you just address this eieueeiene c— reme can you just address this situation? if there— reme can you just address this situation? if there an situation? if there is an accident— situation? if there is an accident three situation? if there is an accident-three live accident on a three lane live running— accident on a three lane live running motorway and there is no hard— running motorway and there is no hard eheuceee— running motorway and there is no hard shoulder, normally what weuce— hard shoulder, normally what weuce-ie— hard shoulder, normally what would is everything would hard shoulder, normally what wo on is everything would hard shoulder, normally what wo on hard s everything would hard shoulder, normally what wo on hard shouldering would hard shoulder, normally what wo on hard shoulder and vould hard shoulder, normally what wo on hard shoulder and the d be on the hard shoulder and the eeeme— be on the hard shoulder and the traffic—moving. traffic would carry on moving. if traffic would carry on moving. c-heppene— traffic would carry on moving. if happens, entire if that happens, the entire motorway— if that happens, the entire motorway stops for 45 minutes, an motorway stops for 45 minutes, eee-heu— motorway stops for 45 minutes, eee-heemee»- motorway stops for 45 minutes, an-half.hourlday.. motorway stops for 45 minutes, an half hour day. not an hour, half an hour a day. not just— an hour, half an hour a day. not just that— an hour, half an hour a day. not just that cane.— an hour, half an hour a day. not just that lane. they— an hour, half an hour a day. not just that lane. they don't do thee.— just that lane. they don't do that.-doesn't- just that lane. they don't do that. doesn't like that. no it doesn't work like thee,— that. no it doesn't work like that,-because- that, though, because there een-e— isn't anywhere to push the treme— isn't anywhere to push the traffic anything . so when traffic onto anything. so when there-e— traffic onto anything. so when there's-accident— traffic onto anything. so when there's-accident ,- traffic onto anything. so when there's accident , do you there's an accident, do you drive? — there's an accident, do you drive? iactually- there's an accident, do you drive? f cc» c there's an accident, do you drive? f ccc�* c c ” drive? i actually don't drive. no. so thought that's why so no. so i thought that's why so difficult there's an difficult when there's an accident , the entire motorway is accident, the entire motorway is closed smart motorway closed on a smart motorway because you have to because you can't you have to move the traffic out of whatever lane is in. and you have to stop

the lane is in. and you have to stop iiie iieiiie. — lane is in. and you have to stop the traffic. otherwise,— " and you have to stop the traffic. otherwise, if iiieie-e— the traffic. otherwise, if there's shoulder, the traffic. otherwise, if- there's - shoulder, you can there's a hard shoulder, you can move-iieiiie— there's a hard shoulder, you can move-traffic into— there's a hard shoulder, you can move traffic into the hard move the traffic into the hard eieuiiei— move the traffic into the hard shoulder-the _ move the traffic into the hard shoulder the motorway shoulder and the motorway can carry— shoulder and the motorway can eeivv—iiiei-e- carry on running. that's the. iii— carry on running. that's the. iii-deemi— carry on running. that's the. . but-doesn't happen. smart but that doesn't happen. smart motorways, it doesn't happen a meievvev— motorways, it doesn't happen a motorway doesn't— motorways, it doesn't happen a motorway doesn't run on hard motorway doesn't run on a hard eieuiiei — motorway doesn't run on a hard eieuiiei iiev— motorway doesn't run on a hard shoulder. they will— motorway doesn't run on a hard shoulder. they will down shoulder. they will close down a wee— shoulder. they will close down a iiiee iane— shoulder. they will close down a three lane motorway or a four iane— three lane motorway or a four iene meievvev— three lane motorway or a four lane motorway it's safe to lane motorway until it's safe to get-going— lane motorway until it's safe to get going through. yes, get the cars going through. yes, yee-ie— get the cars going through. yes, veu-ie—iiie- get the cars going through. yes,i you're—the accident you're you can move the accident to you're you can move the accident ie-eieuiiei— you're you can move the accident ie-eiieuiiei .— you're you can move the accident to-shoulder . yes.- you're you can move the accident to shoulder . yes. and to a hard shoulder. yes. and you een-viii— to a hard shoulder. yes. and you can _with-lane.- can do that with a live lane. vee— can do that with a live lane. you-ii.— can do that with a live lane. you-ii. - can do that with a live lane. you-ii. iii- can do that with a live lane. you-it. but you. can do that with a live lane.- you-it. but you can you just close it. but you can carry-yee iuei- you just close it. but you can carry-yee iuei youl you just close it. but you can. carry _you. just you just carry on with you. just you just all carry on with you. just you just eii-ie— carry on with you. just you just eii-ie ie— carry on with you. just you just all-do is close— carry on with you. just you just all-do is close-lane. i all you do is close that lane. cane.— all you do is close that lane. iane- vou— all you do is close that lane. lane. you don't— all you do is close that lane. lane. you don't-to- all you do is close that lane. lane. you don't-to closel lane. you don't need to close the motorway, but. but the entire motorway, but. but okay. that okay. the problem with that yee-ie— you're saying that, but the issue— you're saying that, but the ieeuelviii— you're saying that, but the issue with you've issue is with if you've got a emeri— issue is with if you've got a smart motorway— issue is with if you've got a smart motorway is that whatever iiei—ieve- smart motorway is that whatever iiei—ieve ie- that accident is, you have to eieee— that accident is, you have to close .whole _ that accident is, you have to close .whole - if - that accident is, you have toi close .whole-if you that accident is, you have to close a whole if you that accident is, you have to close a hardiole if you that accident is, you have to closea hard shoulder, if you that accident is, you have to close a hard shoulder, they>u that accident is, you have to close a hard shoulder, they can have a hard shoulder, they can puii— have a hard shoulder, they cani pull—shoulder. pull out into the hard shoulder. so pull out into the hard shoulder. se—ie- pull out into the hard shoulder. se—ie eeil so you're more likely to get peopie— so you're more likely to get peopie puiiing— so you're more likely to get people pulling into the hard eieuiiei— people pulling into the hard shoulder breaking down shoulder and not breaking down in shoulder and not breaking down iii-iane—iiieiel in a live lane. do you get that? we.— in a live lane. do you get that? no-_you'vel no. my experience of you've got iime—mv— no. my experience of you've got iime—mv iiieie- no. my experience of you've got time—my there but. time to get into my there but have— time to get into my there but have ii— time to get into my there but have i een— time to get into my there but hard it can revert— time to get into my there but hard it can revert back to being a hard it can revert back to being e—veei- hard it can revert back to being e—veei ii- hard it can revert back to being. a_yeah it depends a hard shoulder. yeah it depends that's motorway that's why it's a smart motorway . flexible. yes oh my . it's flexible. yes oh my goodness.— . it's flexible. yes oh my goodness. you _ . it's flexible. yes oh my goodness. you guys- c ”cczx “ca; oh my goodness. you guys listen. . it's flexible. yes oh my- goodness. you guys listen. okay? i'll goodness. you guys listen. okay? iii iv— goodness. you guys listen. okay? iii iv ene— goodness. you guys listen. okay? i'll try one more— goodness. you guys listen. okay? i'll try one more time. i drive on mem.— i'll try one more time. i drive on iiiem. vee— i'll try one more time. i drive on them. you don't. i drive on iiiem— on them. you don't. i drive on mem-ie— on them. you don't. i drive on them .the time. - on them. you don't. i drive on them the time. /c». them all the time. you say you ion-i— them all the time. you say you don't drive smart motorways.

don't drive on smart motorways. have them all the time, but i avoid ican. so have them all the time, but i avoid i can. so i've avoid them if i can. so i've dnven avoid them if i can. so i've driven on them— avoid them if i can. so i've driven on them for- : �*" cc so i've driven on them for many, many veere— driven on them for many, many yeere—avoid- years. why do you avoid them? because—my- years. why do you avoid them? eeeeuee—mv cail because i know that if my car breake— because i know that if my car breaks-eni— because i know that if my car breaks-and it's- because i know that if my car breaks and it's old, i know breaks down and it's old, i know iiei— breaks down and it's old, i know me five— breaks down and it's old, i know me five-mav— breaks down and it's old, i know that first-may not- that first of all, it may not make— that first of all, it may not make-heri- that first of all, it may not make hard shoulder. and make it to a hard shoulder. and eeeeniiv— make it to a hard shoulder. and eeeeniivlie— make it to a hard shoulder. and secondly,-be in— make it to a hard shoulder. and secondly, be in lanes secondly, i'll be in all lanes running—unlessl running a motorway unless eemeieiv— running a motorway unless somebody or somebody has pressed an x and or i'm somebody has pressed an x and or iii _ie— somebody has pressed an x and or iii _ie eii— somebody has pressed an x and or i-m—ie eii in- somebody has pressed an x and or i-m—ie eii in my. i'm going to have to sit in my eee-i— i'm going to have to sit in my eee-i ion-i— i'm going to have to sit in my car-i don't fancy- i'm going to have to sit in my car i don't fancy the odds, car and i don't fancy the odds, iiei-e— car and i don't fancy the odds, mace—view- car and i don't fancy the odds, that's_well,ihave| that's why. okay. well, i have a gieei—ueei-ieil great selection of used cars for sece— great selection of used cars for eeie . — great selection of used cars for sale . guaranteed— great selection of used cars for sale . guaranteed not- great selection of used cars for sale . c great selection of used cars for sale. c great selection of used cars for sale . c sale. guaranteed not to not to break down itself. a new car nana on ie— break down itself. a new car nana on the hard— a new car nana on the hard shoulder just nana on the hard shoulderjust to nana on the hard shoulderjust ie-mveeii— nana on the hard shoulderjust ie-mveeii e— nana on the hard shoulderjust to-myself a new- nana on the hard shoulderjust to myself a new car. to get myself a new car. lots of new—es veii. i to get myself a new car. lots ofi new—as well. no new cars break down as well. no i'm buying it. not i'm not buying it. i'm not buying at i know if buying it at all. i know if you're live running you're in a live running motorway, running motorway, all lanes running and there's there's there's an accident or there's a problem car, if you problem with your car, if you have a hard shoulder, are have a hard shoulder, you are you more of being you have more chance of being able of course, able to pull over, of course, than have than you have if you have all lanes running have lanes running and if you have nowhere to go and your car is breaking down, you to breaking down, you have to sit there break there and allow it to break down. you go left and down. unless you can go left and if no hard shoulder, if there's no hard shoulder, it's then it's all motorway and then you're the technology you're reliant on the technology working. know, working. yeah. which we know, which my earlier which goes back to my earlier point, in point, i think we're in agreement has to agreement that technology has to work this to work in work for this to work and in which meantime, put which case in the meantime, put

a in. that's a hard shoulder in. that's what i at. well, i think we're at. right. well, listen , you're joining listen, if you're just joining me, welcome what are me, welcome on board. what are your thoughts this is gb on your thoughts this is gb news on tv digital i'm tv online on digital radio. i'm nana continue with nana akua. we'll continue with that debate this nana akua. we'll continue with that and debate this nana akua. we'll continue with that and askingiate this nana akua. we'll continue with that and asking should; nana akua. we'll continue with that and asking should all hour. and i'm asking should all smart motorways scrapped? smart motorways be scrapped? you'll thoughts my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. the commentator panel. i've got the commentator and author christine hamilton and author christine hamilton and also the fabulous danny kelly. that's on the way. first, though, let's get your latest news headlines . though, let's get your latest news headlines. nana. thank you. it's 533. news headlines. nana. thank you. we see. inie— news headlines. nana. thank you. we see. inie ie— news headlines. nana. thank you. it's 533. this is the— news headlines. nana. thank you. it's 533. this is the latest- it's 533. this is the latest inn— it's 533. this is the latest inn ine— it's 533. this is the latest from the gb— it's 533. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the health seeieienv— from the gb newsroom. the health seeieienv nne— from the gb newsroom. the health secretary has urged— from the gb newsroom. the health secretary has urged the royal coiiege— secretary has urged the royal coiiege ei— secretary has urged the royal college of nursing to reconsider ineii— college of nursing to reconsider ineii pinnnei— college of nursing to reconsider their planned industrial action at their planned industrial action ni ine— their planned industrial action ni ine eni— their planned industrial action ni ine eni ei— their planned industrial action at the end of the— their planned industrial action at the end of the month. in a ieiiei— at the end of the month. in a ieiiei ie— at the end of the month. in a letter to the— at the end of the month. in a letter to the unions leader this mo....g,_ letter to the unions leader this morning, sieve— letter to the unions leader this morning, steve barclay said the ieeeni— morning, steve barclay said the ieeeni nev— morning, steve barclay said the recent pay offer— morning, steve barclay said the recent pay offer to— morning, steve barclay said the recent pay offer to rcn members was recent pay offer to rcn members ini— recent pay offer to rcn members inii nni— recent pay offer to rcn members was fair and reasonable and men— was fair and reasonable and their decision— was fair and reasonable and their decision to— was fair and reasonable and their decision to hold a 48 hour sinne— their decision to hold a 48 hour enive viii— their decision to hold a 48 hour strike will put— their decision to hold a 48 hour strike will put patients at risk . ine— strike will put patients at risk . ine iecn — strike will put patients at risk . the rcn general secretary, pat cniien— . the rcn general secretary, pat cniien nne— . the rcn general secretary, pat cullen, has criticised the government _ cullen, has criticised the government for refusing to budge on government for refusing to budge en in— government for refusing to budge en in offer— government for refusing to budge en in offer ei— government for refusing to budge on its offer of a— government for refusing to budge on its offer of a 5%_ government for refusing to budge on its offer of a 5% pay

increase . plans to build new increase. plans to build new enen— increase. plans to build new smart motorways are being eeneeiiei— smart motorways are being cancelled because of concerns safetvv — cancelled because of concerns over safety, cost— cancelled because of concerns over safety, cost and low public confidence.— over safety, cost and low public confidence. the— over safety, cost and low public confidence. the government has confirmed— confidence. the government has confirmed that— confidence. the government has confirmed that 14— confidence. the government has confirmed that 14 planned prev-een— confirmed that 14 planned projects have _ confirmed that 14 planned projects have been scrapped and evieiing— projects have been scrapped and existing structures— projects have been scrapped and existing structures will be made ener— existing structures will be made safe .— existing structures will be made safe . ai— existing structures will be made safer . air campaigners are safer. air campaigners are demanding— safer. air campaigners are demanding the return of hard eneniien— demanding the return of hard shoulders to— demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart neienvnve— shoulders to existing smart neienvnve .— shoulders to existing smart motorways . the british horse motorways. the british horse racing— motorways. the british horse racing authority has condemned nieieei— racing authority has condemned pieieei ene— racing authority has condemned protest ears who— racing authority has condemned protest ears who delayed the eveni— protest ears who delayed the grand national— protest ears who delayed the grand national yesterday . 118 grand national yesterday. 118 peopie— grand national yesterday. 118 peopie vee— grand national yesterday. 118 people were arrested for iievnpiing— people were arrested for disrupting the event, slightly ieieving— disrupting the event, slightly delaying ine— disrupting the event, slightly delaying the start of the race. aeiivieie— delaying the start of the race. activists from _ delaying the start of the race. activists from animal rising are eniiine— activists from animal rising are eniiing fei— activists from animal rising are eeiiing iei jump— activists from animal rising are calling forjump racing to be calling for jump racing to be banned— calling for jump racing to be banned after— calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at banned after three horses died ni ainiiee— banned after three horses died ni niniiee .— banned after three horses died at aintree . and— banned after three horses died at aintree . and they've warned at aintree. and they've warned innnei— at aintree. and they've warned further protests _ at aintree. and they've warned further protests will take place inin— further protests will take place inie — further protests will take place this summer. the— further protests will take place this summer. the bucha says it viii— this summer. the bucha says it viii ie— this summer. the bucha says it viii be e— this summer. the bucha says it will be a painstaking analysis to determine— will be a painstaking analysis to determine what caused the deans— to determine what caused the deans eni— to determine what caused the deaths and more— to determine what caused the deaths and more than 6000 neneie— deaths and more than 6000 nnenneie ei— deaths and more than 6000 members of the— deaths and more than 6000 members of the armed forces will be inking— members of the armed forces will be inning pen— members of the armed forces will be inning pen in— members of the armed forces will be taking part in the king's eennniien— be taking part in the king's coronation next— be taking part in the king's coronation next month. the ingen— coronation next month. the largest military— coronation next month. the largest military ceremonial epeniien— largest military ceremonial epeniien in— largest military ceremonial

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good afternoon. it's coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now let's turn back once again to my great british debate. after the government announced that the building of a new smart motorway is to be cancelled following the concerns and costs , concerns over safety and costs, 14 planned smart motorways, i4 planned smart motorways, including that already including 11 that are already paused and three which have been marked construction, will marked for construction, will be removed government's removed from the government's road building plans. for the road building plans. so for the great debate this hour, road building plans. so for the greiasking debate this hour, road building plans. so for the greiasking shouldte this hour, road building plans. so for the greiasking should we his hour, road building plans. so for the greiasking should we scrap ur, road building plans. so for the greiasking should we scrap all i'm asking should we scrap all smart let's see what smart motorways? let's see what my make of that. i'm my panel make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster and columnist danny kelly, broadcaster and author christine hamilton. christine, we've spoken to danny about it. what do you think? should they be scrapped? all of them? i think they should. _they're - they should. i think they're a enenn— they should. i think they're a enenn-eniien- they should. i think they're a. cheap-option-they cheap skate option because they iiin-i— cheap skate option because they iiin-i veni— cheap skate option because they didn't want. afford _ didn't want to afford and i understand— didn't want to afford and i understand-a- didn't want to afford and i understand a public understand that in a public spending— understand that in a public spending against a lot spending is up against a lot of pressures-verv- spending is up against a lot of pressures, very cheap pressures, but it's a very cheap evnie— pressures, but it's a very cheap sine—inan- skate option rather than widening— skate option rather than widening motorways , if they're widening motorways, if they're eiepping— widening motorways, if they're stopping building new ones neenee— stopping building new ones because they're— stopping building new ones because they're not deemed to be ene,— because they're not deemed to be safe, vnv— because they're not deemed to be safe, vvnv eve— because they're not deemed to be safe, why are they— because they're not deemed to be safe, why are they going on to eennieie— safe, why are they going on to eenpieie ine — safe, why are they going on to complete the ones that are three

nneneie— complete the ones that are three nnenen ei— complete the ones that are three enenen ei ine— complete the ones that are three quarters of the way— complete the ones that are three quarters of the way finished? i ininv— quarters of the way finished? i ininv ii-e— quarters of the way finished? i think it's the— quarters of the way finished? i think it's the m50— quarters of the way finished? i think it's the m50 a6 and the ne.— think it's the m50 a6 and the ine- vvnv— think it's the m50 a6 and the ne. vvnv een-i— think it's the m50 a6 and the m6. why don't they stop them in ineii— m6. why don't they stop them in ineii ineve— m6. why don't they stop them in their tracks now?— m6. why don't they stop them in their tracks now? i'm not not in ieveei—vnev- their tracks now? i'm not not in favour- know some. favour of them. i know some peopie— favour of them. i know some people-actually- favour of them. i know some people actually the people say that actually the eieiieiiee— people say that actually the statistics-that - people say that actually the. statistics-that - as statistics tell you that just as men— statistics tell you that just as nenv—viiiei- statistics tell you that just as many—killed and. statistics tell you that just as- many_killed and what many people are killed and what you—a— many people are killed and what yee—e nennei- many people are killed and what you a normal motorway you might call a normal motorway ,-h.ve.-e_ you might call a normal motorway ,-h.ve.-e een— you might call a normal motorway ,-haven't seen those- , but i haven't seen those eieiieiiee— , but i haven't seen those statistics, so— , but i haven't seen those statistics, so i— , but i haven't seen those statistics, so i don't fully eeeepi— statistics, so i don't fully eeeepi inei— statistics, so i don't fully accept that 70 - statistics, so i don't fully accept that 70 people have lost ineii— accept that 70 people have lost ineii iivee— accept that 70 people have lost ineii iivee .— accept that 70 people have lost their lives . but— accept that 70 people have lost their lives . but doesn't it their lives. but doesn't it eieni— their lives. but doesn't it eieni ie— their lives. but doesn't it stand to reason you're stuck ineie— stand to reason you're stuck ineie iive— stand to reason you're stuck there like an— stand to reason you're stuck there like an absolute city dummv-_ there like an absolute city dummy. you're— there like an absolute city dummy. you're a lemon, a dummy, vvneievei— dummy. you're a lemon, a dummy, vvneievei vee— dummy. you're a lemon, a dummy, whatever you want— dummy. you're a lemon, a dummy, whatever you want to _ dummy. you're a lemon, a dummy, whatever you want to call it. vee— whatever you want to call it. vee neve— whatever you want to call it. vee neve ne— whatever you want to call it. you have no where to and you have no where to go. and one of you have no where to go. and one ei-eeiiei— you have no where to go. and one of-caller-were_ you have no where to go. and one of caller were talking of the caller you were talking to of the caller you were talking ie-vne— of the caller you were talking ie-vvne ieei— of the caller you were talking to-who lost her- of the caller you were talking to who lost her partner, to earlier who lost her partner, ene— to earlier who lost her partner, ene eeeiin-i— to earlier who lost her partner, she couldn't they— to earlier who lost her partner, she couldn't they even she couldn't they couldn't even get she couldn't they couldn't even eei-neni— she couldn't they couldn't even get-hard shoulder.- get over the hard shoulder. veen— get over the hard shoulder. veen ine— get over the hard shoulder. yeah, the 30— get over the hard shoulder. yeah, the 30 foot drop. i mean, yee-e— yeah, the 30 foot drop. i mean, v ieei. — yeah, the 30 foot drop. i mean, you're just. well,— yeah, the 30 foot drop. i mean, you're just. �*fvicgc c“c you're just. well, you see, and the problem with i mean, i was talking to rhiannon who's never, ever motorway ever driven on a motorway because she doesn't drive, doesn't but doesn't doesn't drive. no, but doesn't want to drive . but she's only want to drive. but she's only 20. she's only 20. i was driving at 17. i was driving at 60. but really. no, at 17. i was driving at 60. but really . no, no, not on big roads really. no, no, not on big roads iiieeeiiv— really. no, no, not on big roads iiieeeiiv .— really. no, no, not on big roads iiieeeiiv. ve— really. no, no, not on big roads illegally . no, no,— ”ccccye no, no, not on big roads illegally . no, no, no. 0“ ” illegally. no, no, no. on air. viii— illegally. no, no, no. on air. witt geddes. _ illegally. no, no, no. on air. will geddes. she's just on an aerodrome. no, but the problem is, if for a minor collision or

a minor accident, which is what happenedin a minor accident, which is what happened in claire's husband's case, the issue with it is that this what happened isn't something that would have killed you. a hard shoulder , you. and with a hard shoulder, you. and with a hard shoulder, you over quite you can just pull over quite comfortably the other car comfortably with the other car and the other driver. these guys did major collision did not have a major collision that disruption that caused any major disruption on motorway that the on the motorway. and that is the issue with smart motorway on the motorway. and that is the issue vthere smart motorway on the motorway. and that is the issue vthere even motorway on the motorway. and that is the issue vthere even just torway on the motorway. and that is the issue vthere even just away that if there is even just a minor you don't know minor thing, you don't know whether the person behind is going the hard going to go to the hard shoulder. know where shoulder. you don't know where the is going to be. shoulder. you don't know where theyou is going to be. shoulder. you don't know where theyou may is going to be. shoulder. you don't know where theyou may well; going to be. shoulder. you don't know where theyou may well doing to be. shoulder. you don't know where theyou may well do what) be. shoulder. you don't know where theyou may well do what they did so you may well do what they did and you could end dying for and you could end up dying for no at all. danny that's no reason at all. danny that's the problem. position the problem. my position has eniiiei— the problem. my position has shifted—after- shifted significantly after iieienine— shifted significantly after listening to _ shifted significantly after listening to that lady whose neeieni— listening to that lady whose husband was— listening to that lady whose husband was killed and after iieienine— husband was killed and after iieienine ie— husband was killed and after listening to the— husband was killed and after listening to the debate around nevi— listening to the debate around hard shoulders— listening to the debate around hard shoulders .— listening to the debate around hard shoulders . and it is hard shoulders. and it is eeiienine— hard shoulders. and it is softening such extent hard shoulders. and it is- softening.such.extent that softening to such an extent that i softening to such an extent that i ve— softening to such an extent that ive ieiieni— softening to such an extent that i was reliant on— softening to such an extent that i was reliant on the caveat of ine— i was reliant on the caveat of ine ieenneieev— i was reliant on the caveat of the technology working. but the novelininv— the technology working. but the more ithink about— the technology working. but the more think about it, the technology working. but the more think about it , the more more i think about it, the more in — more i think about it, the more in eeieeiiv— more i think about it, the more i'm actually shifting to be in ine— i'm actually shifting to be in ine eene— i'm actually shifting to be in the same position as you to . and the same position as you to. and yes,— the same position as you to. and vee-eeev— the same position as you to. and yee-eeev ie— the same position as you to. and yee-eeev ie sav— the same position as you to. and yes,-easy to say and- the same position as you to. and yes, easy to say and i hate yes, it's easy to say and i hate ine— yes, it's easy to say and i hate the emotional— yes, it's easy to say and i hate the emotional blackmail of if it viii— the emotional blackmail of if it viii insi— the emotional blackmail of if it viii ieei eve— the emotional blackmail of if it will just save one— the emotional blackmail of if it will just save one life. and i een-i— will just save one life. and i een-i eeiee— will just save one life. and i don't agree with— will just save one life. and i don't agree with emotional iieevneii— don't agree with emotional blackmail like— don't agree with emotional blackmail like that because when

do blackmail like that because when ie—een-i- blackmail like that because when ie—een-i. neil do you stop? yes, you can't. but i do you stop? yes, you can't. but i-iei— do you stop? yes, you can't. but i-iei ine— do you stop? yes, you can't. but i-iei ine seve— do you stop? yes, you can't. but i-for the sake of- do you stop? yes, you can't. but i for the sake of maybe an i think for the sake of maybe an eene— i think for the sake of maybe an evive io— i think for the sake of maybe an evive io ei— i think for the sake of maybe an evive io or is— i think for the sake of maybe an extra 10 or 15 minutes on a 100 nie— extra 10 or 15 minutes on a 100 niie ieevnev— extra 10 or 15 minutes on a 100 mile journey, like— extra 10 or 15 minutes on a 100 mile journey, like i've done ieiev— mile journey, like i've done today-london- mile journey, like i've done today london back mile journey, like i've done today-london back the today from london back up to the iiiiienie— today from london back up to the iiiiienieli— today from london back up to the midlands,-i think— today from london back up to the midlands,-i think i- today from london back up to the midlands, i think i would be midlands, and i think i would be neenevei— midlands, and i think i would be prepared-sacrifice— midlands, and i think i would be prepared sacrifice the prepared to sacrifice the sunny— prepared to sacrifice the. eiieniiv—iei slightly longer journey for one— slightly longer journey for other people's— slightly longer journey for other people's safety. �*vvicgc other people's safety. well, veen.— other people's safety. well, veen. ene— other people's safety. well, veen end its.— other people's safety. �*vvicgc c“c well, if yeah, and it's. sorry. well, if you're yeah, and it's. sorry. well, if vee-evvevel— yeah, and it's. sorry. well, if you'relwe've all— c“c well, if you're we've all probably if you're if we've all probably if yee-ve— you're if we've all probably if vee-ve been— you're if we've all probably if you've been stuck on the hard eneeiien— you've been stuck on the hard shoulder,lnormal- you've been stuck on the hard shoulder, normal shoulder shoulder, a normal hard shoulder inei— shoulder, a normal hard shoulder ineilieniivine— shoulder, a normal hard shoulder that terrifying enough when that is terrifying enough when yee-ve— that is terrifying enough when vee-ve-ine— that is terrifying enough when you've the rushing past you've got the cars rushing past you— you've got the cars rushing past you ,— you've got the cars rushing past you , inei— you've got the cars rushing past you , that frightening enough. you, that is frightening enough. v-ve— you, that is frightening enough. vee-ve-inei— you, that is frightening enough. you've-that they- you've thought that they were coming— you've thought that they were| eenine—ne you've thought that they were - eenine—ne ene coming straight up behind me and the coming straight up behind me and ine-eiev— coming straight up behind me and ine-eiev in— coming straight up behind me and ine-eiev in veni- coming straight up behind me and the stay in your car. the advice is stay in your car. if the advice is stay in your car. if vee— the advice is stay in your car. if you been— the advice is stay in your car. if you break down— the advice is stay in your car. if you break down in- the advice is stay in your car. if you break down in the- the advice is stay in your car. if you break down in the middle , i'm sorry. i'd be like you'd just i don't know how just be like, i don't know how you sit there thinking , you would sit there thinking, okay, you'd be a sitting duck. the isn't to stay in the the advice isn't to stay in the car. the advice is to out of car. the advice is to get out of veni— car. the advice is to get out of www-— car. the advice is to get out of veeinn- nn- car. the advice is to get out of your-no, no, no, no.i your car. no, no, no, no, no. the advice is to go left. so if there's a if there's a hard or layby, may they layby, which there may be, they may depends how your may not be. it depends how your car but car is broken down, but otherwise advice otherwise your other advice is to car. it's to stay in your car. no, it's not. no. advice is not. no, no, no. the advice is on the on the hard shoulder. sorry. get on the verge. sorry. get on the grass verge. veen. — sorry. get on the grass verge. veen. _n— sorry. get on the grass verge. yeah. _if there's- sorry. get on the grass verge. yeah. _if there's no. yeah. no, no. if there's no verge, no way. of verge, there's no way. oh, of course. stay stay in a metal

ienien — course. stay stay in a metal barrier. yeah.— course. stay stay in a metal barrier. yeah. stay- course. stay stay in a metal barrier. yeah. stay in your car. yeah, of course. yeah so. and the there is that the problem there is that imagine that your car , if you imagine that your car, if you had, you may have been able to make it a hard shoulder make it to a hard shoulder because, you know, obviously they're they're always by they're always they're always by they're always they're always by the the road. but if you the side of the road. but if you then have to get like mile and then have to get like a mile and a the distance a half or whatever the distance is promised mile is and they promised a mile and a half. turns out there is and they promised a mile and a hvaf. turns out there is and they promised a mile and a hvaf. of turns out there is and they promised a mile and a hvaf. of them s out there is and they promised a mile and a hvaf. of them were there is and they promised a mile and a hvaf. of them were even are a lot of them were even further then really are a lot of them were even furt stuck. then really are a lot of them were even furt stuck. you're really are a lot of them were even furt stuck. you're like, really are a lot of them were even furt stuck. you're like, you're are stuck. you're like, you're insi— are stuck. you're like, you're ieei iive— are stuck. you're like, you're just like l sitting _ cc; c you're like, you're just like sitting duck target just like a sitting duck target on just like a sitting duck target enlniie— just like a sitting duck target onlrifle range,— just like a sitting duck target on rifle range, you? on a rifle range, aren't you? ineie-e— on a rifle range, aren't you? ineie-e-niiee- on a rifle range, aren't you? there's-miles of. there's not many miles of motorway where you where you have elevated carriageways though , which unfortunately was though, which unfortunately was what killed that lady's husband. that's point , what killed that lady's husband. that's point, is what killed that lady's husband. that's point , is it? what killed that lady's husband. that's point, is it? no, that's not the point, is it? no, no. the is, can no. but the point is, you can just get out of your car, skip over the armco barrier, and then you're verge. you're on the grass verge. well, it depends it you're on the grass verge. - well, it depends-it depends, well, it depends how it depends, ieeen-i— well, it depends how it depends, doesn't—depends. well, it depends how it depends, does itt_depends. well, it depends how it depends, does it goes depends well, it depends how it depends, does it goes in depends well, it depends how it depends, does it goes in you epends well, it depends how it depends, doesit goes in you don't s if. if it goes in and you don't siev— if. if it goes in and you don't eiev in— if. if it goes in and you don't eiev in-een— if. if it goes in and you don't stay in-car, you- if. if it goes in and you don't stay in car, you know, stay in the car, you know, but ine—ie— stay in the car, you know, but ine—ie inei- stay in the car, you know, buti the _ is that .there the bottom line is that if there eneinei— the bottom line is that if there was another lane,— the bottom line is that if there was another lane, i understand . was another lane, i understand. i was another lane, i understand. i enieieieni— was another lane, i understand. i understand—not. was another lane, i understand. i understand not be i understade that would not be an i understand that would not be en-neeiiien- an issue. my position has eeiienei— an issue. my position has- softened _ that's softened significantly. that's geee— softened significantly. that's geee. nei— softened significantly. that's good . but this— softened significantly. that's good . but this says- softened significantly. 3: but this says nothing good. but this says nothing viineei— good. but this says nothing without-your.- good. but this says nothing. without-your.-a without you and your. yeah, a bit without you and your. yeah, a iii-veen— without you and your. yeah, a bit-yeah,-let's- bit in it. yeah, right. let's vveeennei— bit in it. yeah, right. let's| welcome-british welcome our great british veieee. — welcome our great british voices. opportunity to

voices. their opportunity to be on voices. their opportunity to be en ine— voices. their opportunity to be en ine enen— voices. their opportunity to be on the show-tell- voices. their opportunity to be on the show tell us what on the show and tell us what inev— on the show and tell us what iney—ine- on the show and tell us what they—the topics. they think about the topics| they think about the topics- vvee—i-ve eei we're discussing today. i've got ioni— we're discussing today. i've got four-brilliant.- we're discussing today. i've got four brilliant. right. four of you. brilliant. right. iei-e— four of you. brilliant. right. iei-e-iniie- four of you. brilliant. right.i let's-julie.she's let's start with julie for she's ineie—ieiiel there in bedfordshire. julie veni— there in bedfordshire. juliei veer—veen there in bedfordshire. julie- veei—veen ni your thoughts on this? yeah hi, vene— your thoughts on this? yeah hi, vene inenve— your thoughts on this? yeah hi, nana thanks very— your thoughts on this? yeah hi, nana thanks very much. i have to say.— nana thanks very much. i have to eev. inn— nana thanks very much. i have to eev. i-nn viti— nana thanks very much. i have to eev. inn with vee— nana thanks very much. i have to say, i'm with you and your panel there, honest , i'm not there, to be honest, i'm not against smart motorway per se, but i certainly don't think at the moment they're fit for the purpose that the textbook was written for. the hard shoulder for me— written for. the hard shoulder for me ie— written for. the hard shoulder for me is somewhere- “it“ the hard shoulder for me is somewhere that you eneeii— for me is somewhere that you eneeii ie— for me is somewhere that you should be able— for me is somewhere that you should be able go for safety should be able to go for safety eni— should be able to go for safety ene eiee— should be able to go for safety ene eiee fei— should be able to go for safety and also for the— should be able to go for safety and also for the emergency services— and also for the emergency services safety— and also for the emergency services safety as well. the nevi— services safety as well. the hard shoulder— services safety as well. the hard shoulder is— services safety as well. the hard shoulder is somewhere yee-ii— hard shoulder is somewhere vee-ii eee— hard shoulder is somewhere you'll see the— hard shoulder is somewhere you'll see the emergency service whizzing— you'll see the emergency service nnizzine-inev- you'll see the emergency service whizzing-they can- you'll see the emergency service whizzing they can get to whizzing down so they can get to an whizzing down so they can get to en eeeiieni.— whizzing down so they can get to an accident-hard- whizzing down so they can get to an accident. hard shoulder an accident. that hard shoulder is . an accident. that hard shoulder ie-. inev— an accident. that hard shoulder ie-. inev een-i- an accident. that hard shoulder is . they don't have is not there. they don't have ine— is not there. they don't have ine enneneniiv. — is not there. they don't have the opportunity. weaving the opportunity. they're weaving innuen— through the traffic, which would neve — through the traffic, which would neve—e- through the traffic, which would neve—ele- through the traffic, which wouldi have _a .a smart have snarled up on a on a smart neienvev— have snarled up on a on a smart motorway behind— have snarled up on a on a smart motorway behind . _ have snarled up on a on a smart motorway behind . '“c have snarled up on a on a smart motorway behind . ' “c motorway behind. and so for me, i think smart motorway is a great paper , not so good in great on paper, not so good in practise. get the systems right eni— practise. get the systems right end inen— practise. get the systems right and then maybe— :»cc get the systems right and then maybe again . c and then maybe try again. it's a neeiiv— and then maybe try again. it's a neeiiv geee— and then maybe try again. it's a neeiiv geee point— and then maybe try again. it's a really good point that you make as emergency service as well for emergency service vehicles trying to vehicles or anybody trying to get to help get past the traffic to help or do a nightmare. do something. it's a nightmare. lee in bristol 100. yes,

lee harris in bristol 100. yes, we should get rid of all- c;c; ’“ �*00 yes, we should get rid of all of inen. — we should get rid of all of inen. i— we should get rid of all of them. i completely agree with them. i completely agree with ine neini— them. i completely agree with ine peini vee— them. i completely agree with the point you were making eeiiien — the point you were making earlier. nana— the point you were making earlier. nana i'm really pleased inie— earlier. nana i'm really pleased this ridiculous— earlier. nana i'm really pleased this ridiculous labour policy viii—.- this ridiculous labour policy viii—. verv- this ridiculous labour policy- will_. very welcome will be scrapped. very welcome .vnev— will be scrapped. very welcome .vnev ,— will be scrapped. very welcome .vnev, i— will be scrapped. very welcome news. know , i remember when news. you know, i remember when inev— news. you know, i remember when iney-fini— news. you know, i remember when they-first mentioned- news. you know, i remember when they first mentioned and they were first mentioned and neenne— they were first mentioned and hearing concerns— they were first mentioned and hearing concerns almost immediately— hearing concerns almost immediately the hard immediately about the hard eneeiien— immediately about the hard shoulder,-we- immediately about the hard shoulder, we were told you shoulder, but we were told you knew,— shoulder, but we were told you knee-enen— shoulder, but we were told you know, smart technology would know, the smart technology would nneenn—eeeeeenv i know, the smart technology would mean seems necessary. know, the smart technology would mean seems that necessary. know, the smart technology would mean seems that instinct;sary. know, the smart technology would mean seems that instinct that and it seems that instinct that we eii— and it seems that instinct that we eii nei— and it seems that instinct that we all had was— and it seems that instinct that we all had was right from the eien. — we all had was right from the eien. nei— we all had was right from the eien. butjust— we all had was right from the start. but just going to a eeenie— start. but just going to a couple-points- start. but just going to a couple-points ,- start. but just going to a couple points , especially the start. but just going to a cougthat points , especially the start. but just going to a cougthat you nts , especially the start. but just going to a cougthat you made, ;pecially the start. but just going to a cougthat you made, theially the one that you made, the ieenneieev— one that you made, the technology does seem a bit ropev- — technology does seem a bit ropev- ineve— technology does seem a bit ropey. never going to work ropey. it's never going to work nove— ropey. it's never going to work ioove ei— ropey. it's never going to work none of ine — ropey. it's never going to work 100% of the time,— ropey. it's never going to work 100% of the time, 24 over seven, nnicn— 100% of the time, 24 over seven, vnien-ie — 100% of the time, 24 over seven, vnien-ie veni— 100% of the time, 24 over seven, which-to your point- 100% of the time, 24 over seven, which to your point about which goes to your point about the-shoulder— which goes to your point about the-shoulder .— which goes to your point about the-shoulder . so- which goes to your point about the shoulder . so it wasn't the hard shoulder. so it wasn't inei— the hard shoulder. so it wasn't me cene— the hard shoulder. so it wasn't inei iene eee— the hard shoulder. so it wasn't that long ago that they had to the that long ago that they had to ine nienveve— that long ago that they had to the highways agency had to make that long ago that they had to tistatements agency had to make that long ago that they had to tistatement to .gency had to make that long ago that they had to tistatement to saycy had to make that long ago that they had to tistatement to say thatid to make that long ago that they had to tistatement to say that they make a statement to say that they had to a statement to say that they had ie—se- a statement to say that they had ie—se ine - to reboot the system. so the eniiie— to reboot the system. so the entire network— to reboot the system. so the entire network went down for none— entire network went down for none eni— entire network went down for hours and they— entire network went down for hours and they they even said inei— hours and they they even said inei ine— hours and they they even said that the boards— hours and they they even said that the boards would appear fieenine— that the boards would appear flashing completely random neeeeeee se— flashing completely random messages. so you're going to need— messages. so you're going to need ie— messages. so you're going to need ie neve— messages. so you're going to need to have a— messages. so you're going to need to have a hard shoulder for inese— need to have a hard shoulder for ineee fei— need to have a hard shoulder for those for those— need to have a hard shoulder for those for those instances. it insi— those for those instances. it ieei eeene— those for those instances. it just seems absolute madness that inev— just seems absolute madness that inev nee— just seems absolute madness that inev nee ieven— just seems absolute madness that they has taken this— just seems absolute madness that they has taken this long to do

it they has taken this long to do i neni. — they has taken this long to do it right. thank— they has taken this long to do it right. thank you- they has taken this long to do it right. thank you for that, lee. next let's go to miranda richardson in northampton . not richardson in northampton. not the miranda but the miranda richardson, but she's miranda what's your she's there. miranda what's your thoughts ? nana good afternoon. thoughts? nana good afternoon. i'm the same opinion of everybody else . i think they're everybody else. i think they're just horrendous— everybody else. i think they're just horrendous .— everybody else. i think they're just horrendous . i'm- ”g : i think they're just horrendous . i'm in just horrendous. i'm in northamptonshire just on the m1, eveni— northamptonshire just on the m1, eieei e— northamptonshire just on the m1, eieei e nie— northamptonshire just on the m1, about a mile and— northamptonshire just on the m1, about a mile and a— northamptonshire just on the m1, about a mile and a half from the m1. about a mile and a half from the iii. ani— about a mile and a half from the iii. ani ee— about a mile and a half from the m1. and as they've— about a mile and a half from the m1. and as they've done the eiieien— m1. and as they've done the eneien iv— m1. and as they've done the eneien by e— m1. and as they've done the stretch by us, we've had more eeeiienie— stretch by us, we've had more accidents and _ stretch by us, we've had more accidents and more collisions eni— accidents and more collisions ene nee— accidents and more collisions and more losses— accidents and more collisions and more losses of life whilst iney-ve— and more losses of life whilst inev-ve been— and more losses of life whilst they've been building them, vvnien— they've been building them, which they've _ they've been building them, which they've only just finished one which they've only just finished _ieeeniiv- which they've only just finished ene—eeeniiv ,- one stretch by us recently, iney-ie— one stretch by us recently, inev-ie insi— one stretch by us recently, they're just not- one stretch by us recently, they're just not going to work . they're just not going to work. ane— they're just not going to work. and espeeieiiv— they're just not going to work. and especially as— they're just not going to work. and especially as people,- they're just not going to work. and especially as people, they don't read the signs when they tell to 60 tell you to drop to 60 on a normal motorway , let alone the normal motorway, let alone the smart motorway and expecting everybody to follow that same rule because everybody thinks, oh that 50 mile an hour oh, maybe that 50 mile an hour doesn't apply me , you know? doesn't apply to me, you know? so relying on on so you're also relying on on humans to follow their own instincts. so not having that safety point , not having that safety point, not having that hard shoulder , you know, i've hard shoulder, you know, i've beenin hard shoulder, you know, i've been in the car with my family and had a tire blow—out and had to change it to shoulder. what

do you do? it's horrid indus as that. there's too many variables . iee— that. there's too many variables . iee nenv— that. there's too many variables . too many variables.— there's too many variables . too many variables. david benn,— . too many variables. david not... nevii— . too many variables. david bohm, david balmer. hi. yeah, hi vene— bohm, david balmer. hi. yeah, hi vene . — bohm, david balmer. hi. yeah, hi vene . ni— bohm, david balmer. hi. yeah, hi nana . hi everyone.— bohm, david balmer. hi. yeah, hi nana . bohm, david balmer. hi. yeah, hi nana. hi everyone. um, actually, years and years ago when this was first thing, i was put on a speed awareness course and i was told this was all about smart motorways, how it was going to save lives, how it would be manned 24 over seven by people on cameras . they would slow on cameras. they would slow traffic down. they would be there to protect people , making there to protect people, making sure that the roads ran smoothly. they haven't got enough people, trained people to actually operate. look behind the cameras . they haven't got the cameras. they haven't got enough people to actually slow it i've been on a it down. and i've been on a traffic jam where they had to smash. they've closed the motorway had sit motorway down. i had to sit there for three hours while they were it and actually the were doing it and actually the end of it, i up with end of it, i ended up with a really sore back from sitting in the because you get the car because you can't get out. can't anywhere. so out. you can't go anywhere. so yeah, let's yeah, please end them. let's have have the hard have a smart let's have the hard shoulders easier. shoulders back a lot easier. thank so much, david. shoulders back a lot easier. - thank-so much, david. really thank you so much, david. really geee— thank you so much, david. really good thoughts-_ thank you so much, david. really good thoughts-you- thank you so much, david. really good thoughts. you much

good thoughts. thank you so much to good thoughts. thank you so much ie—nniiieni— good thoughts. thank you so much to_brilliant.ever.- to my panel. brilliant as ever. julie— to my panel. brilliant as ever. ieiie-ineie— to my panel. brilliant as ever. ieiie-inee ,— to my panel. brilliant as ever. julie-there , lee- to my panel. brilliant as ever. julie there , lee harris, julie ford there, lee harris, iiiienie— julie ford there, lee harris,- miranda—david miranda richardson and david begun.— miranda richardson and david begum-_lotsl miranda richardson and davidi begum—lots ei begum. brilliant. well, lots of you— begum. brilliant. well, lots of yee-been— begum. brilliant. well, lots of you-been getting- begum. brilliant. well, lots of you been getting touch begum. brilliant. well, lots of you yourbeen getting touch begum. brilliant. well, lots of you your viewsjetting touch begum. brilliant. well, lots of you your views oning touch begum. brilliant. well, lots of you your views on smart touch with your views on smart neievveve. — motorways. dave says, how can we keep— motorways. dave says, how can we veep-inese— motorways. dave says, how can we veep-inese enen— keep using these smart neeenvevee— keep using these smart motorways? why does prime motorways? why does the prime iiinieiei— motorways? why does the prime minister-that— motorways? why does the prime minister-that-of- motorways? why does the prime minister that of the minister feel that some of the peneieiien— minister feel that some of the population continue population need to continue using— population need to continue. using—vniie using unsafe motorways while einen— using unsafe motorways while einen-neve— using unsafe motorways while others-have to?- using unsafe motorways while others have to? now jemmy others don't have to? now jemmy says— others don't have to? now jemmy eeveieneeii— others don't have to? now jemmy eeveieneeii eniv— others don't have to? now jemmy says should only scrap all says we should only scrap all enen— says we should only scrap all nnen—ii- says we should only scrap all smart—if there- says we should only scrap all smart—if there are| smart motorways if there are niene— smart motorways if there are serious plans to _ smart motorways if there are serious plans to upgrade the neievvev— serious plans to upgrade the motorway to motorway network, which needs to nennen. — motorway network, which needs to happen- _neievveve- motorway network, which needs to happen. motorways have happen. smart motorways have improved— happen. smart motorways have improved traffic— happen. smart motorways have improved traffic flow on some eeeiiene— improved traffic flow on some sections-m62- improved traffic flow on some sections-m62 .- improved traffic flow on some sections m62 . yet until sections of the m62. yet until ineie-e— sections of the m62. yet until ineie-e en— sections of the m62. yet until there's an accident, jemmy and men— there's an accident, jemmy and inen vee— there's an accident, jemmy and enen vee km..— there's an accident, jemmy and then, you know, and it can be a nine— then, you know, and it can be a minor one as well. _ then, you know, and it can be a minor one as well. rob says enen— minor one as well. rob says smart motorways— minor one as well. rob says smart motorways might possibly vveiv— smart motorways might possibly work-technology- smart motorways might possibly work technology was work if the technology that was eeppeeei — work if the technology that was eenpeeei-inen- work if the technology that was. supposed _them-in supposed to make them smart in the supposed to make them smart in ine fini— supposed to make them smart in ine iini niece— supposed to make them smart in the first place actually worked. it . the first place actually worked. ii-. iievie— the first place actually worked. ii-. maybe-nextl it didn't. maybe over the next few— it didn't. maybe over the next few-improved- it didn't. maybe over the next few improved technology few years, improved technology nieni— few years, improved technology mien—eeene- few years, improved technology might—rescue of. few years, improved technologyi might—rescue of the might come to the rescue of the evieiine— might come to the rescue of the existing - motorways- existing smart motorways and inev— existing smart motorways and iney—eeie- existing smart motorways and they safe solution they will be the safe solution inev— they will be the safe solution inev vvee— they will be the safe solution they were originally viewed as. inei— they were originally viewed as.| inei—vievv. that is a nice progressive view. nnen— that is a nice progressive view. nnen seve— that is a nice progressive view. nnen eeve eii— that is a nice progressive view. brian says all smart motorways neei— brian says all smart motorways neei ie— brian says all smart motorways must be removed.— brian says all smart motorways must be removed. you know they nen-i— must be removed. you know they went ie— must be removed. you know they won't do _though,- must be removed. you know they won't do though, because won't do that, though, because inei-e— won't do that, though, because inei-e-inev— won't do that, though, because that's-they are.- won't do that, though, because that's they are. the that's the way they are. the ieenneieev— that's the way they are. the. ieenneieev—eeei technology will never be good enougn—en- technology will never be goodi enough _on human enough as they rely on human beings— enough as they rely on human beings-ine- enough as they rely on human beings the breakdown. beings to notice the breakdown. veiieeeiiv— beings to notice the breakdown. noticeably motorways, noticeably on smart motorways, ineie—ienini-

there is no space behind ienien— there is no space behind barriers to— there is no space behind barriers to stand and be safe ener— barriers to stand and be safe eiiei vee— barriers to stand and be safe eiiei vee eei— barriers to stand and be safe after you get-of- barriers to stand and be safe after you get of a broken after you get out of a broken down— after you get out of a broken down vehicle— after you get out of a broken down vehicle .— after you get out of a broken down vehicle . that is the major down vehicle. that is the major nieiien. — down vehicle. that is the major problem. absolutely, says. problem. absolutely, sue says. no-mentioned-ifl problem. absolutely, sue says. . no-mentioned-if the no one has mentioned that if the emergency—nei- no one has mentioned that if thei emergency—nei-e emergency services do not have a nevi— emergency services do not have a nevi eneeiien— emergency services do not have a hard shoulder, cannot hard shoulder, they cannot get to hard shoulder, they cannot get ie—vveiil to accidents quickly. well, you are absolutely— to accidents quickly. well, you are absolutely obe are absolutely spot on. obe julie— are absolutely spot on. obe julie-mentioned- are absolutely spot on. obe julie mentioned it, but you julie just mentioned it, but you veeiin-i— julie just mentioned it, but you wouldn't have— julie just mentioned it, but you wouldn't have known but wouldn't have known that. but you—hadn't] you were right. if she hadn't, neieiv— you were right. if she hadn't, nobody—se- you were right. if she hadn't,| nobody—so thank nobody would have. so thank you very— nobody would have. so thank you ven-eieei— nobody would have. so thank you very great thoughts, right very much. great thoughts, right 7 very much. great thoughts, right e—iei- ? so it's now time for supplement- ? so it's now time for- supplement-joining me supplement sunday. joining me now:— supplement sunday. joining me now,-christine- now, my panel, christine neniiien— now, my panel, christine hamilton and— now, my panel, christine hamilton and danny kelly. danny, i'm hamilton and danny kelly. danny, i-n—viin— hamilton and danny kelly. danny, i-n—viin ven- i'm going to start with you. nennv— i'm going to start with you. nennv yee-e— i'm going to start with you. danny you're discussing what are you ieivine— danny you're discussing what are you talking about? okay. neeieeiiv.— you talking about? okay. neeieeiiv. i— you talking about? okay. basically, i couldn't watch the grand national at the weekend because the horses safety, one thing that i was interested in, though, was this animal rebellion lot who were planning on whole race. on disrupting the whole race. now, this previously that now, i said this previously that they need to be aware for that. they need the police to protect them. if they glue themselves to a l them. if they glue themselves to a , they need the police to a fence, they need the police to protect from the angry mob. protect them from the angry mob. they're lynched . they're going to get lynched. they're going to get lynched. they they have they really are. now, they have said that the animal said themselves that the animal rising are going to rising ringleaders are going to threaten summer of discontent threaten a summer of discontent with horse races. so they're going small,

going to go to like small, provincial horse racing towns and they are going to handcuff themselves to fences . and i themselves to fences. and i promise you now and there's only a police at these a couple of police at these events , acas and maybe half a events, acas and maybe half a dozen security . they will get dozen security. they will get battered by the racegoers. people aren't going put up people aren't going to put up with particularly after with this, particularly after about pints of strong lager. about ten pints of strong lager. i not know. i'm not i hope not to know. i'm not calling for it. no, i know. but all i'm saying that is all i'm saying is that that is a realistic outcome them realistic outcome of them spoiling . that's spoiling people's day. that's all i'm saying. the football neien— all i'm saying. the football neien ie— all i'm saying. the football match is it?— all i'm saying. the football match is it? they're- “g the football match is it? they're going “g the football med01 is it? they're going “cg the football medo what, they're going “»cg the football medo what, like y're going “cg the football medo what, like footballgoing to do what, like football neeiieene— to do what, like football. hooligans _well to do what, like football- hooligans _well , hooligans do. danny well, football hooligans. they go out to fight. but i promise you it's a working sport. horse a working class sport. horse racing speaking. racing generally speaking. i know that is full of toffs at the big events, if you go to the big events, but if you go to small racecourses, small provincial racecourses, it's working class it's full of working class blokes who shipped in from blokes who are shipped in from different around different towns all around the area, working class sport, and they won't take this nonsense. i don't think anyone should take me— i don't think anyone should take inei—ii— i don't think anyone should take inei—ii ien-i. - i don't think anyone should take that—it isn't. it. that nonsense. but it isn't. it inn-t— that nonsense. but it isn't. it isn't—big- isn't just toffs at the big races. grand national is a races. the grand national is a great horse racing is great leveller. horse racing is a great leveller. that's right. sort of everybody from kings, i think in this case it's the

queen downwards . it really is. queen downwards. it really is. well, let's do yours. christina iiine. — well, let's do yours. christina iiine. okay-— well, let's do yours. christina mine. okay. oh,— well, let's do yours. christina mine. ciiccige o“ well, let's do yours. christina mine. okay. oh, well, i mean, this unbelievable. there's a this is unbelievable. there's a teacher. a teacher at a £20,000 a school. she doesn't a year girls school. she doesn't seem a great to me. seem a great deal to me. i thought were better the thought schools were better the more expensive that. more expensive than that. some of has apologise of them she has had to apologise for good afternoon, for saying good afternoon, girls. she went into the class and said, good afternoon, girls . it a school. it's an . it is a girls school. it's an all school . she's not all girls school. she's not allowed to that had to allowed to say that she had to apologise to all the pupils. allowed to say that she had to apologofa to all the pupils. allowed to say that she had to apologof themll the pupils. allowed to say that she had to apologof them apparently s. allowed to say that she had to apologof them apparently said some of them apparently said that everybody that not everybody here identifies as female. they are all girls. but they don't all identify female. she was very identify as female. she was very humiliatingly made apologise humiliatingly made to apologise by the headmistress and she said that if their pronouns are different from their biological sex, she would need to involve the parents quite, quite. anyway, she's lost her job. she has lost her job because she has lost herjob because she wasn't prepared acknowledge wasn't prepared to acknowledge that they weren't all girls. i've enough of this. this is i've had enough of this. this is absolutely it's absolute- absolutely it's absolute nonsense. listen, absolutely it's absolute nonsense.-listen, i'm nonsense. well, listen, we i'm going—ie— nonsense. well, listen, we i'm going—ie-enel nonsense. well, listen, we i'm . going—ie-ene going to move on to my one now. we neven-i— going to move on to my one now. we haven't mentioned the bbc, denny.— we haven't mentioned the bbc, denny-leeei— we haven't mentioned the bbc, danny.iused.work- we haven't mentioned the bbc, danny. used work oh, danny. i used to work there. oh, ineie— danny. i used to work there. oh, neve—vee- there you go. i thought you nieni— there you go. i thought you nieni eev—

there you go. i thought you might say that. _ there you go. i thought you might say that. yes. the bbc has seni— might say that. yes. the bbc has eeni—ieiien- might say that. yes. the bbc has sent—letters to - might say that. yes. the bbc has sent—letters to somei might say that. yes. the bbc has sent most letters to some might say that. yes. the bbc has sent most famoustters to some might say that. yes. the bbc has sent most famous newso some of its most famous news neeenevei — of its most famous news. presenters. _they've presenters. i mean, they've currently— presenters. i mean, they've. currently _through presenters. i mean, they've- currently_thr0ugh a currently been going through a sort— currently been going through a sort-games- currently been going through a sort-games style. currently been going through a sort games style of sort of hunger games style of sort— sort of hunger games style of sort-people- sort of hunger games style of sort-people know. sort of hunger games style of sort people know that sort of letting people know that they-ve— sort of letting people know that them—on- they've lost their jobs on local radio—like— they've lost their jobs on local radio—like-but radio and things like that. but now—comingl radio and things like that. but. now—oming for now they're obviously coming for some _famous newsl some of the most famous news presenerst — some of the most famous news presenters, including people like— like hugh edwards and rita chakrabarti._ like hugh edwards and rita chakrabarti. strapped chakrabarti. the cash strapped corporation.— corporation. although even though—of- corporation. although even- though_of money to though we pay a lot of money to it, though we pay a lot of money to mldon-t— though we pay a lot of money to it,idon't-where- though we pay a lot of money to it, don't where they're it, i don't know where they're spending— it, i don't know where they're speed is]— it, i don't know where they're speed is trying— it, i don't know where they're spend is trying to— it, i don't know where they're spend is trying to save costs by which is trying to save costs by restructuring— which is trying to save costs by restructuring its— which is trying to save costs by restructuring its news division, has— restructuring its news division, has written— restructuring its news division, has written _its- restructuring its news division, has written its senior tv has written to all its senior tv and— has written to all its senior tv and redee— has written to all its senior tv and radio presenters, asking eeem— and radio presenters, asking them .consider_ and radio presenters, asking them consider voluntary them to consider voluntary redundancy.— redundancy. so i'm going to stare— redundancy. so i'm going to sears-yee,— redundancy. so i'm going to start you, danny. what do start with you, danny. what do you— start with you, danny. what do yee-ef— start with you, danny. what do yee-sf these— start with you, danny. what do you of this? mean, you make of this? i mean, they-re— you make of this? i mean,- they're—millions. you make of this? i mean, they're getting millions. you make of this? i mean, they're getting somesns. you make of this? i mean, they're getting some big they're getting rid of some big bee— they're getting rid of some big but i— they're getting rid of some big names, but i mean, whilst still taking— taking on people like gary seeker.— taking on people like gary lineker.-30- taking on people like gary lineker. 30 something lineker. yeah, 30 something memen— lineker. yeah, 30 something million _curious. lineker. yeah, 30 something. million _curious about lineker. yeah, 30 something mili ”cz :. : t t ” c lineker. yeah, 30 something mili ”cc :. : "if? f a c lineker. yeah, 30 something mili ”s::�*;s: :f f lineker. yeah, 30 something mili::f f the redundancy because only for the redundancy because only for the last 4 or have those the last 4 or 5 years have those people actually members of people been actually members of staff. previously they're staff. okay previously they're all contractual freelancers. so since erg 35, i think it was so , so they've only been members of staff for 4 or 5 years. it'll be really interesting to see how the bbc remunerate them with redundancies. should be redundancies. it should be a month for every year. it'll be interesting to see they get

interesting to see if they get a load more, might to load more, they might be able to claim that. actually we were seen - across that - claim that. actually we werei seen-across that time seen as staff across that time ene— seen as staff across that time end they— seen as staff across that time and sssey may— seen as staff across that time and they may be— seen as staff across that time and they may be able to get west,— and they may be able to get some. well, what do you. well, a lot-people— some. well, what do you. well, a ses-peepse were— some. well, what do you. well, a lot people were they lot of people were they were esesmsne— claiming that they weren't staff,— claiming that they weren't staff, of staff, whereas in fact, 99% of wees—wes- staff, whereas in fact, 99% of wees—was ses staff, whereas in fact, 99% of- what_was for the what they were doing was for the sec. — what they were doing was for the sec. because— what they were doing was for the bbc. because it's— what they were doing was for the bbc. because it's a— what they were doing was for the bbc. because it's a it's- what they were doing was for the bbc. f c c gs: bbc. because it's a it's you get you get reduced tax if you're not staff, if you're freelancer . and of them it was . so and a lot of them it was proved that they in fact proved that they were in fact staff yeah 450 grand's a lot of dough. it's this is tax licence payers— dough. it's this is tax licence payers money— dough. it's this is tax licence payers money se— dough. it's this is tax licence payers money so it's- :3 it's this is tax licence payers money so it's got to be spear— payers money so it's got to be spear wssesy. — payers money so it's got to be spent wisely. are— payers money so it's got to be spent wisely. ' ”szi; payers money so it's got to be spent wisely. '”s:i; payers money so it's got to be spent wisely. ' ”sz; spent wisely. are they all worth it? not all. let's it? no, they're not all. let's not any names you've not mention any names you've already lineker. already mentioned. mr. lineker. yeah shouldn't really yeah but we shouldn't really single out. well, yeah but we shouldn't really single out . well, why not? single him out. well, why not? res— single him out. well, why not? re-s err— single him out. well, why not? re-s err res— single him out. well, why not? he's on 1.35 million.— single him out. well, why not? he's on 1.35 million. it's- gs: " well, why not? he's on 1.35 million. it's the mess— he's on 1.35 million. it's the most amount— he's on 1.35 million. it's the most amount any them are most amount any of them are gearing.— most amount any of them are peruse-rear— most amount any of them are getting. that probably getting. and that could probably rura— getting. and that could probably rare—reps] fund a load of local radio jobs. thev've— fund a load of local radio jobs. sheave—aur- they've just got rid of. but anyway,— they've just got rid of. but anyway, .today's - they've just got rid of. but anyway, today's show , i've anyway, on today's show, i've peera— anyway, on today's show, i've peers—we- anyway, on today's show, i've peerrrre— perl anyway, on today's show, i've. been _we get rid been asking, should we get rid of been asking, should we get rid er-mererwars— been asking, should we get rid of-motorways and- been asking, should we get rid of motorways and according of smart motorways and according to of smart motorways and according re eur— of smart motorways and according re rwrrrer— of smart motorways and according to our twitter poll,— of smart motorways and according to our twitter poll, 93% of you, rear-s— to our twitter poll, 93% of you, rrrar-s a— to our twitter poll, 93% of you, rrrar-s a rape— to our twitter poll, 93% of you, that's a huge percentage say yes. — that's a huge percentage say yes. arra— that's a huge percentage say yes. ara pp.— that's a huge percentage say yes. ape pp. er— that's a huge percentage say yes. and 7% of you say no. i'd say— yes. and 7% of you say no. i'd say a— yes. and 7% of you say no. i'd say a rape— yes. and 7% of you say no. i'd say a huge thank— yes. and 7% of you say no. i'd say a huge thank you to my rappers— say a huge thank you to my fabulous panel,— say a huge thank you to my fabulous panel, christine hammer.— fabulous panel, christine hamilton. thank you very much, carrsrrae— hamilton. thank you very much, carrsrrrre .— hamilton. thank you very much, christine . lovely— hamilton. thank you very much, christine . lovely you. christine. lovely to see you. are— christine. lovely to see you. are arse— christine. lovely to see you. and also thank— christine. lovely to see you. and also thank you so much to

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grey start for a lot of the country as we start the new working risk of working week. still the risk of some light outbreaks of rain and drizzle too. but there will be some skies developing some brighter skies developing in . northern ireland, the in places. northern ireland, the far scotland and far north of scotland and eventually into east anglia and the east as approach the south east as we approach lunchtime. in the sunshine, lunchtime. so in the sunshine, feeling for the feeling pleasantly warm for the time of year highs reaching 18 or degrees. but elsewhere or 19 degrees. but elsewhere around par for this time of year into the evening, we may well see some late sunshine developing across the midlands central southern england. but then that quickly gets replaced by further cloud across the country as we go into the small hours of tuesday. so again, under the cloud, no real problems with the temperature is not lower than not falling much lower than around 7 or 8 degrees across the country . so on tuesday we will country. so on tuesday we will then start to see some clearer skies move right across the country as we go through the course of the day. so it could be a bit grey, slow start be a bit of a grey, slow start in but sunshine will be in places, but sunshine will be on across of the on the way across most of the country. do start to pick up country. we do start to pick up a bit of a easterly breeze

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