good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez. in the gb newsroom, the health secretary has urged the royal college of nursing to reconsider planned industrial action at the end of the month . action at the end of the month. in a letter to the union's leader this morning, steve barclay said the recent pay offer is fair and reasonable and the decision to stage a 48 hour strike will put patients at risk. the chs general secretary, pat cullen, has criticised the government for refusing to budge on its offer of a 5% pay rise. our members neither— of a 5% pay rise. our members neither think— of a 5% pay rise. our members neither think it— of a 5% pay rise. our members neither think it is— sift? ” our members neither think it is reasonable or fair. — neither think it is reasonable or fair. n— neither think it is reasonable orfatr. n is— neither think it is reasonable or fair. it is a— neither think it is reasonable or fair. it is a short term approach— or fair. it is a short term approach that- or fair. it is a short term approach that plugs a gap by giving— approach that plugs a gap by giving them— approach that plugs a gap by giving them a— approach that plugs a gap by giving them a one off. what they have— giving them a one off. what they have described— giving them a one off. what they have described as— giving them a one off. what they have described as a bonus. iiiat-s— have described as a bonus. that's certainly— have described as a bonus. that's certainly not going to address— that's certainly not going to address the— that's certainly not going to address the fundamental crisis mai— address the fundamental crisis that we— address the fundamental crisis that we have— address the fundamental crisis that we have got— address the fundamental crisis that we have got within our nursing— that we have got within our nursing profession or within the tis— nursing profession or within the tts .— nursing profession or within the

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also been invited to watch the historic event from a special grandstand in front of buckingham palace. the culture secretary says it's a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's over to free speech nation . away . elon musk elon musk grapples with . away. elon musk grapples with the hitc— . away. elon musk grapples with the bbc publishers— elon musk grapples with the bbc publishers censor pg , the bbc publishers censor pg, iiaaahaase— the bbc publishers censor pg, woodhouse and— the bbc publishers censor pg, woodhouse and rishi sunak claims that aah— woodhouse and rishi sunak claims that only winne— woodhouse and rishi sunak claims that only women that women do not that only women that women do nat in— that only women that women do not in tact— that only women that women do not in fact have— that only women that women do not in fact have penises . not in fact have penises. there-e— not in fact have penises. there's loads— not in fact have penises. there's loads of bombshells like that— there's loads of bombshells like that tonight. — there's loads of bombshells like that tonight. free— there's loads of bombshells like that tonight. free speech watian. — that tonight. free speech nation. thank— that tonight. free speech nation. thank you very much . so nation. thank you very much. so weie— nation. thank you very much. so weiane ta— nation. thank you very much. so welcome to free— nation. thank you very much. so welcome to free speech nation with— welcome to free speech nation with he— welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew— welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so on tanighte— with me, andrew doyle. so on tonight's show,— with me, andrew doyle. so on tonight's show, i'm going to be chatting— tonight's show, i'm going to be chatting ta— tonight's show, i'm going to be chatting to none— tonight's show, i'm going to be chatting to none other than john cieeee— chatting to none other than john cieeee ahawt— chatting to none other than john cleese about comedy and creativity— cleese about comedy and. creativity _ python cleese about comedy and- creativity _ python and creativity, the monty python and tawitw— creativity, the monty python and tawitw-iegeni—

creativity, the monty python and fawlty legend will be fawlty towers legend will be with— fawlty towers legend will be with we— fawlty towers legend will be with we in— fawlty towers legend will be with us in the— fawlty towers legend will be with us in the studio very, very ehaatiw. — with us in the studio very, very shortly. -tonight,- with us in the studio very, very shortly. tonight, the shortly. and also tonight, the dancer— shortly. and also tonight, the dancer-forced- shortly. and also tonight, the dancer-forced to- shortly. and also tonight, the dancer forced to resign dancer who was forced to resign han— dancer who was forced to resign than—is- dancer who was forced to resign than—is taati from her own company is back with— from her own company is back with-dancing— from her own company is back with dancing troupe. this with a new dancing troupe. this is itaeie— with a new dancing troupe. this is itaeie haw— with a new dancing troupe. this is rosie kay, going to is rosie kay, who's going to join— is rosie kay, who's going to an we— is rosie kay, who's going to iain we ta— is rosie kay, who's going to join us to-about- is rosie kay, who's going to join us to about fight join us to talk about her fight for—expression. . join us to talk about her fighti for—expression. and for freedom of expression. and gaing— for freedom of expression. and we're going joined we're going to be joined by teahnaiagw— we're going to be joined by technology journalist andrew oiiaweti— technology journalist andrew oiiaweti ta— technology journalist andrew orlowski to question, is orlowski to ask the question, is the naean— orlowski to ask the question, is the modern workplace a hive of iiieneee— the modern workplace a hive of iiieneee 7— the modern workplace a hive of idleness .7 oh,— the modern workplace a hive of idleness .7 oh, and— the modern workplace a hive of idleness .7 oh, and i've also got idleness? oh, and i've also got wanieitwi— idleness.7 oh, and i've also got wonderful studio— idleness.7 oh, and i've also got wonderful studio guest idleness? oh, and i've also got wonderful studio guest tonight. the comedians— wonderful studio guest tonight. the comedians bruce devlin and diane— the comedians bruce devlin and diane shenaei— the comedians bruce devlin and diane shenaei .— the comedians bruce devlin and diane spencer . hello. welcome diane spencer. hello. welcome hath— diane spencer. hello. welcome hath .— diane spencer. hello. welcome hath . diane,— diane spencer. hello. welcome both . diane, you've been making both. diane, you've been making tagge— both. diane, you've been making twige. i— both. diane, you've been making twige. i aw— both. diane, you've been making twage. i yaw— both. diane, you've been making fudge. i saw you handing fudge out fudge. i saw you handing fudge aat ta— fudge. i saw you handing fudge out to everyone— fudge. i saw you handing fudge out to everyone before the show. i out to everyone before the show. i have.— out to everyone before the show. i have. twe— out to everyone before the show. i have. we gone— out to everyone before the show. i have. i've gone with— out to everyone before the show. i have. i've gone with a- out to everyone before the show. i have. i've gone with a lemon sicilian lemon meringue biscuit base, white chocolate in the middle. i have got i'll have to bring. you're so posh. this is unbelievable.— bring. you're so posh. this is unbelievable. what- g /i:::i. this is unbelievable. what you're the wha— unbelievable. what you're the wha went— unbelievable. what you're the one who went on— unbelievable. what you're the one who went on holiday to caaii. — one who went on holiday to can. tea.— one who went on holiday to capri. yes. and— one who went on holiday to capri. “4115 i: ”it; one who went on holiday to capri. v/izzit: i: g capri. yes. and you're telling me that i'm posh? actually, it's capri. me that i'm posh? actually, it's caan. anyway,— me that i'm posh? actually, it's caan. anyway, ea— me that i'm posh? actually, it's capri. anyway, so let's- , actually, it's capri. anyway, so let's get that tight. — capri. anyway, so let's get that tight. hiwae— capri. anyway, so let's get that right. bruce, how— capri. anyway, so let's get that right. bruce, how are you this weeke— right. bruce, how are you this week? i— right. bruce, how are you this week? i wae— right. bruce, how are you this week? i was in— right. bruce, how are you this week? i was in sun capri sun, which— week? i was in sun capri sun, which actually— week? i was in sun capri sun, which actually makes it sound a lot which actually makes it sound a hat cheaper— which actually makes it sound a lot cheaper than— which actually makes it sound a lot cheaper than it— which actually makes it sound a lot cheaper than it is. i know wha— lot cheaper than it is. i know who yaw— lot cheaper than it is. i know who yaw wee— lot cheaper than it is. i know who you were away with, and they

are cheap. i'm fine, thank you. how are you? i'm okay. you know, just okay. just okay. well, we've got john cleese coming up, which will be fantastic. and lots guests lots of brilliant guests tonight, also have a tonight, but we also have a wonderful studio audience and i'd to some questions i'd love to get some questions from we're going to from them. so we're going to start question lynn. start with a question from lynn. yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon iiwet— yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon hwet haw— yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon hwet at— yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon musk now at-with- yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon musk now at-with the- “4115 j“ hello. is elon musk now at with the bbc? musk now at war with the bbc? yeah.— musk now at war with the bbc? yeah. sa— musk now at war with the bbc? yeah. sa-wae— musk now at war with the bbc? yeah. sa-wae a— musk now at war with the bbc? yeah, so -was a fascinating. yeah, so this was a fascinating one this week. twitter one this week. so the twitter owner, elon musk, has owner, of course, elon musk, has accused bbc reporter of accused the bbc reporter of lying an interview and we lying during an interview and we actually have a snippet from the interview because it was a bit of a car crash. let's have a look. and if and you just said that if something is slightly sexist, that's hateful content, does that mean that it should be banned? well, you've asked me wa-wwe— banned? well, you've asked me wawe aetet— banned? well, you've asked me you've asked me— 3“ well, you've asked me you've asked me whether my feed , whether— you've asked me whether my feed , whether ite— you've asked me whether my feed , whether it's got— you've asked me whether my feed , whether it's got less or more, i'd , whether it's got less or more, it eaw— , whether it's got less or more, it eaw ite— , whether it's got less or more, it eaw it-e gat— , whether it's got less or more, i'd say it's got slightly more. that-e— i'd say it's got slightly more. ihate what— i'd say it's got slightly more. that's what-asking- i'd say it's got slightly more. that's what-asking for. . that's what i'm asking for. examples. name one examples. can you name one example? i honestly don't haneetiw— example? i honestly don't honestly,ican't- chas? , i honestly don't honestly, can't name a single honestly, i can't name a single exanpie— honestly, i can't name a single exanhie. iti— honestly, i can't name a single example. i'll tell— honestly, i can't name a single example. i'll tell you why, heee— example. i'll tell you why, he i— example. i'll tell you why, because i don't- example. i'll tell you why, because i don't actually use that— because i don't actually use that-teet— because i don't actually use that feed anymore that for you feed anymore heee— that for you feed anymore because ijust_ because i just don't particularly- because i just don't particularly like but you particularly like it. but you eat— particularly like it. but you

eat yaw— particularly like it. but you eat waw a— particularly like it. but you said you a lot— particularly like it. but you said you a lot of people, a lot of said you a lot of people, a lot at heahie— said you a lot of people, a lot at heahie ae— said you a lot of people, a lot of people are quite similar. i anh— of people are quite similar. i only anh— of people are quite similar. i only only hat— of people are quite similar. i only only look at. a�*g of people are quite similar. i only only look at. pflg only only look at. hang on a second. you said you've seen more hateful content, you more hateful content, but you can't single example. not can't name a single example. not even sure i've used even one. i'm not sure i've used that for the 3 or that feed for the last 3 or 4 weeks and well, then how did you see hateful content? because see the hateful content? because i've been i've been using it. i've been i've been using it. i've been i've been using it. i've been using twitter since wa-wwe— i've been using twitter since you've -over.thel you've taken it over for the he— you've taken it over for the iaet eh— you've taken it over for the last six months. che/e; last six months. okay. so then you have at point seen you must have at some point seen that for your hateful that you for your hateful content. asking one content. and i'm asking for one example. right. you can't example. all right. you can't give simple one. and i'm give a simple one. and i'm saying i give a simple one. and i'm eawing i then— give a simple one. and i'm saying i then i— give a simple one. and i'm saying i then i say- give a simple one. and i'm saying i then i say so- g and i'm saying i then i say so that you tan-t— saying i then i say so that you want thaw— saying i then i say so that you don't know what— saying i then i say so that you don't know what you're talking ahawt. — don't know what you're talking ahawt. tn— don't know what you're talking about. i'm cringing- don't know what you're talking about. if g g i: don't know what you're talking about. g g about. i'm cringing quite a lot while watch that. so the while i watch that. so the interviewer, james clayton there, effectively there, is effectively said to elon you know, there's elon musk, you know, there's been increase hate speech been an increase of hate speech on platform. i've seen on your platform. i've seen loads it on my feed. elon on your platform. i've seen loads not on my feed. elon on your platform. i've seen loads not unreasonably, elon on your platform. i've seen loads not unreasonably, says,on musk, not unreasonably, says, can you give me an example of what you've seen and james clayton to say, well, clayton has to say, well, i haven't anything. clayton has to say, well, i haven't looking anything. clayton has to say, well, i haven't looking at anything. clayton has to say, well, i haven't looking at it. ithing. clayton has to say, well, i haven't looking at it. i am g. i've been looking at it. i am absolutely i'm amazed- g g i am absolutely i'm amazed that he went— absolutely i'm amazed that he went in— absolutely i'm amazed that he went in with— absolutely i'm amazed that he went in with this— absolutely i'm amazed that he went in with this with no ieeeihte— went in with this with no ieeeihte ta — went in with this with no receipts to show. and he's there hating— receipts to show. and he's there hating-inane— receipts to show. and he's there holding-phone as- receipts to show. and he's there holding phone as he's holding his phone as he's taking— holding his phone as he's talking-elon- holding his phone as he's talking elon musk. if it's talking to elon musk. if it's twe— talking to elon musk. if it's

tiwe, he— talking to elon musk. if it's true, he literally pick true, he could literally pick up his true, he could literally pick up hie-,— true, he could literally pick up hie-, ewiteh— true, he could literally pick up his-, switch on- true, he could literally pick up his , switch on twitter his phone, switch on his twitter ani— his phone, switch on his twitter ant-tight.— his phone, switch on his twitter ant-tight. hwt- his phone, switch on his twitter and-right. but he- and go look. right. but he taeen-t. — and go look. right. but he doesn't. well,— and go look. right. but he doesn't. well, it- and go look. right. but he doesn't. �*pt�*izge g g doesn't. well, it feels a bit like he's just following a narrative there this narrative there is this narrative, this idea that suddenly awash suddenly twitter is awash with hate speech. you're hate speech. i mean, you're quite hateful twitter, to be quite hateful on twitter, to be fair, you? i haven't fair, aren't you? i haven't tweeted in ages. thank you very nweh— tweeted in ages. thank you very nweh. i— tweeted in ages. thank you very nweh. i wae— tweeted in ages. thank you very nweh. i a— tweeted in ages. thank you very much. i was a victim— tweeted in ages. thank you very much. i was a victim for- : " g thank you very much. i was a victim for once iaet— much. i was a victim for once iaet night.— much. i was a victim for once last night. not— much. i was a victim for once last night. not the perpetrator. eaneane— last night. not the perpetrator. eaneane-the— last night. not the perpetrator. someone the scottish guy on someone said the scottish guy on weathere— someone said the scottish guy on heatiineae-a— someone said the scottish guy on headliners.-a wig?- headliners. is that a wig? i thawght— headliners. is that a wig? i thawght, haw— headliners. is that a wig? i thought, how rude. how that thought, how rude. how rude that is thought, how rude. how rude that ie ietinitew— thought, how rude. how rude that is definitely—that's. is definitely hates me. that's hawihie— is definitely hates me. fl absolutely. horrible, isn't it? absolutely. yeah. — horrible, isn't it? absolutely. yeah. someone _ horrible, isn't it? absolutely. yeah. someone went.- g fl absolutely. yeah. someone went. i love him ana— yeah. someone went. i love him ant-sa— yeah. someone went. i love him ant-ea that— yeah. someone went. i love him and-so that kind- yeah. someone went. i love him and-so that kind of- and his wig. so that kind of haianee— and his wig. so that kind of balance balances okay and his wig. so that kind of- balance balances-okay what balance balances out. okay what do balance balances out. okay what eta-think— balance balances out. okay what do-think about— balance balances out. okay what do-think about it— balance balances out. okay what do think about it when you do you think about it when you know, you're interviewing know, when you're interviewing someone mean, someone of this? i mean, you know, don't make false know, you don't make false claims, and if you claims, you know, and if you realise made a false realise you've made a false claim, retract don't claim, you retract it, don't you? dont claim, you retract it, don't you? don't dig deeper. i you? you don't dig deeper. i know. think you're going you? you don't dig deeper. i. know.ithink.you're going to know. i think if you're going to hate— know. i think if you're going to mate a— know. i think if you're going to mate a taiee— know. i think if you're going to make a false claim, either go with— make a false claim, either go with it— make a false claim, either go with it properly. _ make a false claim, either go with it properly. yeah or say aetwaiiw— with it properly. yeah or say aetwaiiw-i-we— with it properly. yeah or say actually i've made all actually no, i've made that all up- — actually no, i've made that all up- -i_ actually no, i've made that all we -i earne— actually no, i've made that all wh-i ta- actually no, i've made that all up.-i come to work- up. i mean i come to work heeawee.— up. i mean i come to work hiehaiei. — up. i mean i come to work prepared. yeah,- up. i mean i come to work prepared. v425?" i::::i up. i mean i come to work prepared. / i::::i i up. i mean i come to work- prepared. yeah,-do. i do. prepared. yeah, you do. i do. yeah.— prepared. yeah, you do. i do. yeah. taw— prepared. yeah, you do. i do. yeah. you absolutely- prepared. / i::::i ido. yeah. you absolutely do. you wawitn-t— yeah. you absolutely do. you wouldn't think— yeah. you absolutely do. you wouldn't think it, but you know, that— wouldn't think it, but you know, that-ghet— wouldn't think it, but you know, that-twet it— wouldn't think it, but you know, that-just it was— that was just it was embarrassing. it was really enhanaeeing— embarrassing. it was really embarrassing. elon embarrassing. like elon had hee— embarrassing. like elon had become journalist. he'd become the journalist. he'd

hee— become the journalist. he'd heeane—hntl become the journalist. he'd- become _and that's become the exactly. and that's whate— become the exactly. and that's what's interesting what's quite interesting about it. know. sorry should it. but, you know. sorry should have been in it. but, you know. sorry should have been-ianesla- it. but, you know. sorry should have been-ianesla likei have been done in a tesla like ianee—he-e- have been done in a tesla like. james—he's singing. james corden when he's singing. they— james corden when he's singing. t hey—going. they should have been going aawn— they should have been going around—course- they should have been going around course they around driving. of course they ehawia. — around driving. of course they ehawia. hwt— around driving. of course they should. but they— around driving. of course they should. but they see how long thew— should. but they see how long thew-tai— should. but they see how long thew-tat the— should. but they see how long they for the charge. this they got for the charge. this is why— they got for the charge. this is why-ehawii— they got for the charge. this is why-should be— they got for the charge. this is why should be producing why you should be producing theee— why you should be producing these-should- why you should be producing these-should.onj these shows. it should be on then. — these shows. it should be on then-lian-t— these shows. it should be on them.idon't-to- these shows. it should be on them.idon't-to be- these shows. it should be on them. don't to be behind them. i don't want to be behind them. i don't want to be behind the-heea.— them. i don't want to be behind the-listen, we've- them. i don't want to be behind the-listen, we've gotl the camera. listen, we've got another question now from theresa. where's theresa? theresa. where's theresa? theresa is the tide theresa here? yeah. is the tide twining— theresa here? yeah. is the tide twining-an— theresa here? yeah. is the tide twining-an jk_ theresa here? yeah. is the tide turning-on jk rowling- “chi? yeah. is the tide turning on jk rowling jk turning on on jk rowling jk itawiing. — turning on on jk rowling jk| rowling. _talked turning on on jk rowling jk. rowling. _talked a turning on on jk rowling jk- rowling. _talked a lot rowling. and we've talked a lot about rowling on this show, about jk rowling on this show, but now we have another reason to there's new series. to because there's a new series. it's going to be a new television adaptation warner television adaptation by warner brothers television adaptation by warner brotheidifferent about this is what's different about this is where this a lot of where has this been a lot of sort of hyper reactions to jk rowling you know, they rowling rowling? you know, they had and they didn't had that reunion and they didn't invite like this. invite her and things like this. well, she's going be well, now she's going to be executive on show, executive producer on this show, strikes me as fair enough, bruce, given that she wrote the thing. yeah, think thing. you know. yeah, i think whatever you think of her, i think you have to let her come a lot. imean, think you have to let her come a lot. i mean, i think it's a bit twee— lot. i mean, i think it's a bit iwie that— lot. i mean, i think it's a bit rude that the— lot. i mean, i think it's a bit rude that the cast- i mean, i think it's a bit rude that the cast of a thing that— rude that the cast of a thing that ene— rude that the cast of a thing that she wrote— rude that the cast of a thing that she wrote didn't invite hen — that she wrote didn't invite hen yeah— that she wrote didn't invite her. yeah, it's— that she wrote didn't invite her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it? yeah— her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it? yeah ite— her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it? yeah he a— her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it? yeah, it's a bit.— her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it?

yeah, it's a bit. but then we taiting— yeah, it's a bit. but then we were talking about that, weren't wee—yaw— were talking about that, weren't we?_you disagree. we? can you, if you disagree with— we? can you, if you disagree with her— we? can you, if you disagree with her views— we? can you, if you disagree with her views and what she eawe— with her views and what she eawe-waw— with her views and what she says, you disassociate says, can you disassociate eeate— says, can you disassociate create that _ says, can you disassociate create that - love| says, can you disassociate. create that-love of create that with your love of her— create that with your love of her-wett— create that with your love of her-well that's- create that with your love of. her-well that's-big her work. well that's the big question, you question, isn't it? but, you know, i would i would suggest that she hasn't said anything offensive. you know, she's accused saying transphobic offensive. you know, she's accuse(|'ve saying transphobic offensive. you know, she's accuse(|'ve saying seen;phobic offensive. you know, she's accuse( i've saying seen a toblc offensive. you know, she's accuse( i've saying seen a single things. i've never seen a single transphobic that said. things. i've never seen a single tidon'tiobic that said. things. i've never seen a single tidon't think that said. things. i've never seen a single tidon't think that's�*iat said. things. i've never seen a single tidon't think that's true. said. things. i've never seen a single tidon't think that's true. i said. i don't think that's true. i think that's a myth that's think that's just a myth that's sort been up around her sort of been built up around her and been demonised. and i and she's been demonised. and i think that women who are particularly in case, she particularly in this case, she she openly about her she spoke openly about her experience domestic abuse. experience of domestic abuse. and of death experience of domestic abuse. and rape of death experience of domestic abuse. and rape threats of death experience of domestic abuse. and rape threats as of death experience of domestic abuse. and rape threats as a of death experience of domestic abuse. and rape threats as a resulteath experience of domestic abuse. and rape threats as a result of:h and rape threats as a result of that. and just think, you that. and i just think, you know, don't think she's the know, i don't think she's the perpetrator here. do you perpetrator here. what do you think, no, not at all. think, diane? no, not at all. and what find think, diane? no, not at all. and whatifind interesting. and what find interesting is and what i find interesting is that— and what i find interesting is that j-k-_ and what i find interesting is that j.k. rowling is a sure bet tite— that j.k. rowling is a sure bet he, yaw— that j.k. rowling is a sure bet like, you know,— that j.k. rowling is a sure bet like, you know, making this ten wea— like, you know, making this ten weaeeh—ee- like, you know, making this ten weaeeii—ee ie- year harry potter series is going— year harry potter series is gainglhe— year harry potter series is going be fantastic. you've going to be fantastic. you've got— going to be fantastic. you've gat—eieatai- going to be fantastic. you've. got—creator making got the original creator making this got the original creator making thie—sal this epic ten year series. so ite— this epic ten year series. so he gaing— this epic ten year series. so he gainglhe— this epic ten year series. so it's going be great because it's going to be great because there— it's going to be great because there-many— it's going to be great because. there-nanw-wha there are so many programs who have— there are so many programs who have-ta— there are so many programs who have-to emulate- there are so many programs who have to emulate harry have tried to emulate harry hatter— have tried to emulate harry potter-they've - have tried to emulate harry potter they've tried to sort potter and they've tried to sort of potter and they've tried to sort at eaeh — potter and they've tried to sort at eaeh in— potter and they've tried to sort of cash in.that_ potter and they've tried to sort of cash in that sort of teen of cash in on that sort of teen tantaew— of cash in on that sort of teen tantaew ani— of cash in on that sort of teen fantasy, and they— of cash in on that sort of teen fantasy, and they failed. and ene— fantasy, and they failed. and she leffectively_ fantasy, and they failed. and she leffectively a - fantasy, and they failed. and she effectively a golden she is effectively a golden gaaee — she is effectively a golden goose. -there's- she is effectively a goldeni goose. -there's-of

goose. yes. there's a lot of watt—aaee. i goose. yes. there's a lot of watt—aaee. | goose. yes. there's a lot of profit—does. ij goose. yes. there's a lot of- profit_does. i think profit in what she does. i think thie— profit in what she does. i think this witt— profit in what she does. i think this with he— profit in what she does. i think this will be better than the films, because i have say, films, because i have to say, the three main actors in the films were terrible. let's be honest. you daniel honest. you know, daniel radcliffe watson, that honest. you know, daniel radclguy watson, that honest. you know, daniel radclguy couldn't watson, that honest. you know, daniel radclguy couldn't wat act. that grint guy couldn't really act. grint guy couldn't really act. grint think his name was grint i think his name was grint. this be grint. yeah. so this could be even better at this time. and you're right, bruce, everyone's entitled and entitled to their opinion and they're entitled to, you know, slag as they have done. slag her off as they have done. but, know, ultimately, this but, you know, ultimately, this might show, right? but, you know, ultimately, this m might show, right? but, you know, ultimately, this mmight be. can show, right? but, you know, ultimately, this mmight be. can i;how, right? but, you know, ultimately, this mmight be. can i just, right? but, you know, ultimately, this mmight be. can i just say, it? it might be. can i just say, twe— it might be. can i just say, i've never watched- it might be. can i just say, i've never watched a - g g can ijust say, i've never watched a harry hatter— i've never watched a harry potter film. _ i've never watched a harry potter film. really? yeah. no, i tite— potter film. really? yeah. no, i iite i— potter film. really? yeah. no, i iite i tite— potter film. really? yeah. no, i like i like living— potter film. really? yeah. no, i like i like living in the real want.— like i like living in the real world. that's— like i like living in the real world. that's that really is het— world. that's that really is iwet ne— world. that's that really is just me. well,— world. that's that really is just me. well, i've watched bits of just me. well, i've watched bits at-heeawee— just me. well, i've watched bits at-heeawee nw- just me. well, i've watched bits of because my husband of it only because my husband wae-iawhie— of it only because my husband was-double for- of it only because my husband was double for voldemort. was a body double for voldemort. whate— was a body double for voldemort. whate vee— was a body double for voldemort. whate tee i— was a body double for voldemort. what? yes, i know.— was a body double for voldemort. what? yes, i know. oh,— was a body double for voldemort. �*i�*w�*“"€�*e7’ yes, i know. oh, the what? yes, i know. oh, the showhiz— what? yes, i know. oh, the showbiz insight.- �*pt�*p7 yes, i know. oh, the showbiz insight. ?g �*pt�* 7 yes, i know. oh, the showbiz insight. 3g " showbiz insight. right. so in some scenes when you see some of the scenes when you see the voldemort's head, the back of voldemort's head, that's my husband. i mean, that's my husband. i mean, that's the that's my husband. i mean, that's-the namedrop,i that's my husband. i mean,- that's-the namedrop, you that's quite the namedrop, you thaw,— know, body double for voldemort. wett— know, body double for voldemort. wet—yaw- well once. is that why you married— well once. is that why you married _yeah,. well once. is that why you married yeah, of married him? oh, yeah, of course. yeah. _ married him? oh, yeah, of course. yeah. it- married him? oh, yeah, of course. yeah. e married him? oh, yeah, of course. yeah. g �*7 course. yeah. it was the first thing. the back of thing. i was like the back of his that's mine. well his head. that's mine. well there a head. i there was not a nice head. i love me some cranium, but. but waitenatte— love me some cranium, but. but voldemort's head— love me some cranium, but. but voldemort's head isn't a particularly is it? oh particularly sexy one, is it? oh i'm really into heads. i'm not really into heads.

don't somebody else's. don't yuck somebody else's. yumi_ don't yuck somebody else's. twin—eh- don't yuck somebody else's. twin—on eawwl don't yuck somebody else's. - yum,_oh sorry. never yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never heat— yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never heart-phraee.— yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never heart-phraee. — yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never heard-phrase. she- yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never heard-phrase. she wants. v4. okay. oh sorry. never heard phrase. heard that phrase. she wants to lick heard that phrase. she wants to hat a— heard that phrase. she wants to lick a skull. leave it alone. sorry, you you are sorry, diane. you you are haitwaw— sorry, diane. you you arei halfway-point. sorry, diane. you you are. halfway-point. i sorry, diane. you you are- halfway-point. i was halfway through a point. i was iaet—yeah.- halfway through a point. i was iaet—yeah. sa- halfway through a point. i wasi just—yeah. so we've just saying that. yeah. so we've seen sort of you seen the bits where sort of you seen the bits where sort of you see of his head and you see the back of his head and you go, that's. but yeah, i think that will be very that it will be very interesting. we were that it will be very interest about we were that it will be very interest about the we were that it will be very interest about the game, weren't talking about the game, weren't we, harry game. and we, the harry potter game. and that generates sort of £1 billion of revenue. i think it was only about 12 million. but the interesting thing- was only about 12 million. but the interesting thing was- the interesting thing was only 12 the interesting thing was only iz niiiian— the interesting thing was only 12 million. so— the interesting thing was only 12 million. so there's two thinge— 12 million. so there's two things. yeah,— 12 million. so there's two things. yeah, it's hbo , max and things. yeah, it's hbo, max and who— things. yeah, it's hbo, max and who that— things. yeah, it's hbo, max and who that ae— things. yeah, it's hbo, max and hbo that are making it. things. yeah, it's hbo, max and hbo that are making it . and i hbo that are making it. and i want— hbo that are making it. and i want thaw— hbo that are making it. and i want thaw at— hbo that are making it. and i don't know of any sex in the city— don't know of any sex in the city tane— don't know of any sex in the city tane in— don't know of any sex in the city tane in i— don't know of any sex in the city fans in i am— don't know of any sex in the city fans in i am one. i was thiawn— city fans in i am one. i was thiawn att— city fans in i am one. i was thrown off the— city fans in i am one. i was thrown off the tour in new york for thrown off the tour in new york ta ta— thrown off the tour in new york ta ta hate— thrown off the tour in new york for no more than— thrown off the tour in new york for no more than the guide, but nae—the- for no more than the guide, but more—the break.- more of that after the break. that-e— more of that after the break. that's- actually. - more of that after the break. that's actually. and when more of that after the break. that'did actually. and when more of that after the break. that'did the actually. and when more of that after the break. that'did the prequel, and when more of that after the break. that'did the prequel, the when they did the prequel, the eegweh— they did the prequel, the sequel, whatever, and just like that,— sequel, whatever, and just like gig, have— sequel, whatever, and just like that, have yaw— sequel, whatever, and just like that, have you watched any of that?— that, have you watched any of that? wa— that, have you watched any of that? ha on, — that, have you watched any of that? no oh, it's— that, have you watched any of that? no oh, it's a— that, have you watched any of that? no oh, it's a disgrace. ant— that? no oh, it's a disgrace. ana aeaiiw— that? no oh, it's a disgrace. and really, it— that? no oh, it's a disgrace. and really, it should all be etappeh— and really, it should all be etahhealit— and really, it should all be stopped..it will- stopped. so it will be interesting- stopped. so it will be interesting what stopped. so it will be- interesting-what actually interesting to see what actually happene— interesting to see what actually hahhene-ani— interesting to see what actually hahhene-ani ea- interesting to see what actually happens. and so someone happens. yes. and so someone eiee— happens. yes. and so someone eiee enaateh— happens. yes. and so someone else snorted. that's fine. it happens. yes. and so someone else the �*ted. that's fine. it happens. yes. and so someone else the pressuret's fine. it happens. yes. and so someone else the pressure off ine. it happens. yes. and so someone else the pressure off me it happens. yes. and so someone else the pressure off me and took the pressure off me and twe— took the pressure off me and i-we-nweeh- took the pressure off me and i've-myselflthel i've just seen myself in the camera-really- i've just seen myself in the camera really looked like camera and really looked like a hea— camera and really looked like a heat-whee.- camera and really looked like a bear-woods. i'm- camera and really looked like a bear woods. i'm the

bear from the woods. i'm the eeeani— bear from the woods. i'm the eeeani-i— bear from the woods. i'm the second-i-going- bear from the woods. i'm the second - i - going to i bear from the woods. i'm the- second-i-going to make second point i was going to make is second point i was going to make ie-i-n— second point i was going to make ie-i-n ewe— second point i was going to make is-i'm sure it'll— second point i was going to make is i'm sure it'll come is gone. i'm sure it'll come haeh— is gone. i'm sure it'll comei haeh—ie back. well you know, that is a weak— back. well you know, that is a ten gaae— back. well you know, that is a ten gaaa haint. — back. well you know, that is a very good point. 'i: back. well you know, that is a very good point. ' i: ”it; back. well you know, that is a very w3)d point. 'i: ”it; back. well you know, that is a very " g right to mention the game, because, you know, for all these activists who are saying, jake, it's rowling, activists who are saying, jake, it's hate rowling, activists who are saying, jake, it's hate her. rowling, activists who are saying, jake, it's hate her. now )wling, activists who are saying, jake, it's hate her. now herng, activists who are saying, jake, it's hate her. now her work all hate her. now her work really does and it sells really does sell. and it sells more and more than ever. and it was interesting, some interesting, there were some activists were the activists who were buying the game saw smashed it game. i saw one had smashed it up a hammer and posted it up with a hammer and posted it onune up with a hammer and posted it online saying, take that j.k. rowling. so still the rowling. so she still gets the money. yeah, you bought it. you know, works . know, that's not how it works. that's the whole thing. not that's the whole thing. why not ianate— that's the whole thing. why not ianate-heahie— that's the whole thing. why not donate people could donate it to people who could the— donate it to people who could the game?— donate it to people who could use the game? yes but people are heing— use the game? yes but people are being demonised— use the game? yes but people are being demonised playing being demonised for playing the game. —ieaiw- game. i mean, it's really insane, know, but everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs know, but everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs to now, but everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs to growbut everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs to grow up. everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs to grow up. let's one just needs to grow up. let's just. just say that. okay just. let's just say that. okay we've got another question now from hi, from mike, where is mike? hi, mike. hi. what's so offensive ahawt— mike. hi. what's so offensive ahawt he— ii what's so offensive about pg woodhouse? «high about pg woodhouse? very interesting. so— about pg woodhouse? very. interesting. so-broke interesting. so this only broke tataw— interesting. so this only broke tataw-the— interesting. so this only broke taiaw-the etaw- interesting. so this only broke today.-the story about. today. this is the story about ahwiaweiw— today. this is the story about obviously-great- today. this is the story about obviously great novelist pg obviously the great novelist pg watehawee— obviously the great novelist pg wodehouse jeeves and wodehouse created jeeves and waaetei— wodehouse created jeeves and waaetei ana— wodehouse created jeeves and wooster and blandings novels wooster and the blandings novels .—ieeiiei- wooster and the blandings novels .—teeiaea tal . the publisher has decided to remove and rewrite certain aeheete— remove and rewrite certain aeheete at— remove and rewrite certain aspects of pg— remove and rewrite certain aspects of pg wodehouse work. thie— aspects of pg wodehouse work. ihie ie— aspects of pg wodehouse work. this is penguin— aspects of pg wodehouse work. this is penguin random house. thew-we— this is penguin random house. they've athei— this is penguin random house. they've added some trigger wanheg— they've added some trigger warnings. they've said that some

eatee— warnings. they've said that some eaten haw— warnings. they've said that some readers may think— warnings. they've said that some readers may think the themes and ehaiaeten— readers may think the themes and ehaiaeten ae— readers may think the themes and characters are outdated . and the characters are outdated. and the thing— characters are outdated. and the thing ie— characters are outdated. and the thing a, heahie— characters are outdated. and the thing is, people who read pg watehawee— thing is, people who read pg wodehouse i've— thing is, people who read pg wodehouse i've read novels wodehouse i've read many novels by wodehouse i've read many novels thwatehawee.— wodehouse i've read many novels thwatehawee. i— wodehouse i've read many novels by wodehouse. i understand by pg wodehouse. i understand that— by pg wodehouse. i understand that-written- by pg wodehouse. i understand that-writtenllongl that they were written a long time — that they were written a long tine-theate- that they were written a long time _they're set- that they were written a long time they're set in the time ago and they're set in the iaet.— time ago and they're set in the haet. heiiewe— time ago and they're set in the past. believe you— time ago and they're set in the past. believe you me, i've aheatw— past. believe you me, i've already gat— past. believe you me, i've already got that. it's okay. i tan-t— already got that. it's okay. i tan-t neet— already got that. it's okay. i don't need-sort- already got that. it's okay. i don't need sort of don't need some sort of schoolmarm_ don't need some sort of schoolmarm to go through the haate— schoolmarm to go through the haate with— schoolmarm to go through the haate with a— schoolmarm to go through the books with a felt— schoolmarm to go through the books with a felt tip pen and cut books with a felt tip pen and ewt awt— books with a felt tip pen and ewt awt the— books with a felt tip pen and cut out the bits— books with a felt tip pen and cut out the bits that might wheet— cut out the bits that might wheet ne— cut out the bits that might upset me. what the hell is going on? upset me. what the hell is going ane wag,— upset me. what the hell is going on? what, like,— upset me. what the hell is going on? what, like, redacted stuff in an— on? what, like, redacted stuff in an inquiry?— on? what, like, redacted stuff in an inquiry? — on? what, like, redacted stuff in an inquiry? / g in an inquiry? yeah, taking out bits and pieces and all that kind of. i just don't think to make. you can't just expunge everything to the history vaults. you know, it was a moment in we've hopefully moment in time. we've hopefully moved on, you know, if people have and have been offended by that and not bring it around again. but why is it opposed to focusing on that? you writers that? let's focus on you writers then, yes. yes but you then, right? yes. yes but you know, the truth— then, right? yes. yes but you know, the truth is— then, right? yes. yes but you know, the truth is that- si" ” g 7 “4115 “4115 but you know, the truth is that pg watehawee — know, the truth is that pg wodehouse one of the best wodehouse is one of the best gaaee— wodehouse is one of the best hiaee—tngiiehl prose stylists in the english iangwage— prose stylists in the english. language._benefit language. people could benefit han— language. people could benefit hen—haate.- language. people could benefit from—books. you. from reading his books. you tan-t— from reading his books. you tan-t-with— from reading his books. you don't-with the- from reading his books. you don't with the master like don't mess with the master like itlite— don't mess with the master like itlite iwet— don't mess with the master like it it's just masterful it is. it's just masterful hee — it is. it's just masterful haee ant— it is. it's just masterful prose. and some jumped up eeete— prose. and some jumped up executive talent— prose. and some jumped up executive talent less idiot at tengwin— executive talent less idiot at

penguin random house thinks they can penguin random house thinks they ga— penguin random house thinks they ga thiawgh— penguin random house thinks they can go through and— penguin random house thinks they can go through and improve on theee— can go through and improve on theee haate— can go through and improve on these books. give— can go through and improve on these books. give me a break. ite— these books. give me a break. it's absolutely— these books. give me a break. it's absolutely pathetic . these it's absolutely pathetic. these heahie— it's absolutely pathetic. these heahie ae— it's absolutely pathetic. these heahie iwet. — it's absolutely pathetic. these people are just. "i; ”it; people are just. they're just halfwits . total halfwits . halfwits. total halfwits. they're puritans. they're twiitane— they're puritans. they're puritans masquerading as hwhiiehen.— puritans masquerading as publishers. they should be in a titteient— publishers. they should be in a titteient iah— publishers. they should be in a different job. they should just be different job. they should just he eeiiing— different job. they should just be selling fruit— different job. they should just be selling fruit at a market or eanething. — be selling fruit at a market or something. nothing with something. nothing wrong with agg— something. nothing wrong with that—thingi that, by the way. but the thing aiganie— that, by the way. but the thing organic-organic,— that, by the way. but the thing organic organic, would organic or organic, it would be, wawitn-t—waw- organic or organic, it would be,i wouldn't—you stop? organic or organic, it would be,- wouldn't_you stop? wouldn't it? where do you stop? are wouldn't it? where do you stop? he yaw— wouldn't it? where do you stop? he yaw going— wouldn't it? where do you stop? he yaw gaing ta— wouldn't it? where do you stop? he yaw gaing ta ga— wouldn't it? where do you stop? are you going to go back?- wouldn't it? where do you stop? are you going to go back? i- are you going to go back? i mean, seem to target the mean, they seem to target the racist references because racist by our standards. absolutely. by by our standards. absolutely. by our standards of course. but okay , well, do we need to change okay, well, do we need to change all the misogynistic references that are in all the past history books? do we need to update shakespeare? because no, we don't talk like that anymore. so maybe we should rewrite every single shakespeare into modern prose. this is a very interesting- this is a very interesting point, diane, heee— interesting point, diane, he i— interesting point, diane, because i think what this eeeai— because i think what this eeeai ie— because i think what this reveals is actually the haniewiai— reveals is actually the particular peeves of the particular pet peeves of the hwhiiehen— particular pet peeves of the publishers themselves. you know , thee— publishers themselves. you know thee-eeatain— publishers themselves. you know , there certain books , there are certain books thew-e— , there are certain books- thew-e—ihee they're not going after. there are they're not going after. there aae—phiaeeei are certain offensive phrases thew-e— are certain offensive phrasesi thew-e—heeawee they're leaving alone because thew—

they're leaving alone because they tan-t— they're leaving alone because they don't offend— they're leaving alone because they don't offend it's they don't offend them. it's iwet—that- they don't offend them. it's just—that botheri just the things that bother then. — just the things that bother then. _taat- just the things that bother them. took scalpel them. if they took a scalpel to the— them. if they took a scalpel to the-that— them. if they took a scalpel to the _that wouldn't- the bible, that wouldn't go tawn— the bible, that wouldn't go. down—now down, particularly well. no, heaw— down, particularly well. no, because women _ down, particularly well. no,- because women _off because women don't come off very a lot grief very well. we get a lot of grief in bible we're the only in the bible and we're the only people bread, as far as i people making bread, as far as i can right. exactly i mean, can tell. right. exactly i mean, if they were to say,— can tell. right. exactly i mean, if they were to say, you- itp“ 3g“ f imean, if they were to say, you know, at the — if they were to say, you know, at the moment— if they were to say, you know, at the moment we're the at the moment we're it's in the hit—it— at the moment we're it's in the hit—it-that- old testament, it says that women menstruate have to women who menstruate have to hate— isolate themselves and sit in a tent— isolate themselves and sit in a tent-i— isolate themselves and sit in a tent-i wawit— isolate themselves and sit in a tent-i would -that's. tent that i would say that's gwite— tent that i would say that's twin-haw- quite offensive. how much ehaeaiate— quite offensive. how much chocolate is— quite offensive. how much chocolate is in— quite offensive. how much chocolate is in tent? will chocolate is in the tent? well, that-e— chocolate is in the tent? well, that's-question. _ chocolate is in the tent? well,l that's-question. _would that's the question. what would you say? — that's the question. what would you say? they've not gone after mills and no, exactly. mills and boons. no, exactly. why idea. i've why not? i have no idea. i've never written for them . i've never written for them. i've never written for them. i've never read a mills and- “circa new “in "on mac.“ i've never read a mills and boon, “its“ i've never read a mills and boon, to be never read a mills and boon, to he haneet— never read a mills and boon, to be honest,idid_ never read a mills and boon, to be honest,idid as— never read a mills and boon, to be honest,idid as a- never read a mills and boon, to be honest, did as a child. be honest, i did as a child. i remember actually- be honest, i did as a child. i remember actually my- be honest, i did as a child. i remember actually my mum finding me one and she went me reading one and she went mental because they're very erotic to erotic apparently, but see, to let you understand, i was a strange a strange strange child. i'm a strange adult. all. fine and strange child. i'm a strange aduone all. fine and strange child. i'm a strange aduone of all. fine and strange child. i'm a strange adu one of these fine and strange child. i'm a strange aduone of these high and strange child. i'm a strange aduone of these high speed got one of these high speed dubbing used to dubbing things, so i used to tape reading mills and tape myself reading mills and boon's and then play it back to myself speed dubbing. myself on high speed dubbing. and get myself and i used to get myself so excited wouldn't to bed. excited i wouldn't go to bed. and i hated mum much. and then i hated my mum so much. i had ibs as a child. used to i had ibs as a child. i used to overdose weetabix and do overdose on weetabix and do diarrhoea to now this

diarrhoea to inaya. now this actually a lot. bruce actually explains a lot. bruce we're going to move- actually explains a lot. bruce we're going to move on- bruce we're going to move on though, to we're going to move on though, ta anathe— we're going to move on though, to another question before we tewe— to another question before we tewe any— to another question before we delve any deeper— to another question before we delve any deeper the dark delve any deeper into the dark iahwinth— delve any deeper into the dark labyrinth that _ delve any deeper into the dark labyrinth that is— delve any deeper into the dark labyrinth that is devlin's labyrinth that is bruce devlin's psyche-— labyrinth that is bruce devlin's hewehe. thie— labyrinth that is bruce devlin's psyche. this next— labyrinth that is bruce devlin's psyche. this next question is than— psyche. this next question is than teete— psyche. this next question is from leslie. where's leslie? hi, ieeiie— from leslie. where's leslie? hi, ieeiie. hi— from leslie. where's leslie? hi, ieeiie. hi — from leslie. where's leslie? hi, leslie. hi should— from leslie. where's leslie? hi, leslie. hi should joe- from leslie. where's leslie? hi, leslie. hi : : leslie. hi should joe biden be cautious about who he takes a selfie with? this is a really inteeeting— “7 this is a really interesting question. so joe hiten— interesting question. so joe hiten at— interesting question. so joe biden, of course, just took a eeitie— biden, of course, just took a eeitie with— biden, of course, just took a selfie with gerry— biden, of course, just took a selfie with gerry adams , who selfie with gerry adams, who at— selfie with gerry adams, who was, of course,— selfie with gerry adams, who was, of course, the former you thaw.— was, of course, the former you thaw. he — was, of course, the former you thaw. he wae— was, of course, the former you thaw. he a— was, of course, the former you know, he was a member of the hint— know, he was a member of the army eawneii— know, he was a member of the army council of— know, he was a member of the army council of the ira right up wntii— army council of the ira right up wntii the— army council of the ira right up until the early— army council of the ira right up until the early 90— army council of the ira right up until the early 90 seconds, i think.— until the early 90 seconds, i think. hnt— until the early 90 seconds, i think. and, of— until the early 90 seconds, i think. and, of course, this is nat— think. and, of course, this is not necessarily— think. and, of course, this is not necessarily a— think. and, of course, this is not necessarily a good look, hwee — not necessarily a good look, hwee ha.— not necessarily a good look, hwee he. i— not necessarily a good look, bruce. no, i think- not necessarily a good look, bruce. \ti1::i not necessarily a good look, bruce. \i1::i : bruce. no, i think joe biden should cautious in general. should be cautious in general. oh, absolutely should. oh, well, he absolutely should. yes, absolutely. said yes, absolutely. i just said that couple yesterday that a couple of times yesterday . there frailty about the . there is a frailty about the man. do about yes. man. i do worry about him. yes. i would thought that his i would have thought that his adviser kind of adviser would have kind of pointed direction, pointed him in the direction, you placards. no, pointed him in the direction, you placards . no, i you know, big placards. no, i mean, be fair, you you know, big placards. no, i mean,.be fair, you don't. mean, to be fair, you don't neeeeeaiiiw— mean, to be fair, you don't necessarily know you're necessarily know who you're getting— necessarily know who you're getting a— necessarily know who you're getting a selfie— necessarily know who you're getting a selfie with. i've had heahie— getting a selfie with. i've had heahie eae— getting a selfie with. i've had heahie wh— getting a selfie with. i've had people come up and say, people come up to me and say, i— people come up to me and say, i have— people come up to me and say, i have a— people come up to me and say, can i have a selfie?— people come up to me and say, can i have a selfie? and i was tite— can i have a selfie? and i was the inn— can i have a selfie? and i was like, this could— can i have a selfie? and i was like, this could be— can i have a selfie? and i was like, this could be a serial hitter.— like, this could be a serial tiiien waw— like, this could be a serial killer, you know? well you know,

aithawgh—atl although the clubs we go to, of eawne-the— although the clubs we go to, of course,-the thing. - course, that's the thing. but hat— course, that's the thing. but hwt ta— course, that's the thing. but hwt ta-tnaw— course, that's the thing. but but do-know-i'vel course, that's the thing. but but do know i've never but do you know what i've never understood selfie? yeah. understood about a selfie? yeah. why? it taken by eye for why? why is it taken by eye for a selfie was a solo activity. if you drift. is you catch my drift. selfie is normally people. oh, the normally with people. oh, the meanings-changed. - normally with people. oh, the. meanings-changed. -very meanings have changed. it's very eantweing— meanings have changed. it's very confusing-adams,- meanings have changed. it's very confusing. adams, though, confusing. gerry adams, though, is confusing. gerry adams, though, ie a— confusing. gerry adams, though, is a controversial— confusing. gerry adams, though, is a controversial and is a controversial figure and eeagnieahiw— recognisably so. so i don't think—the- recognisably so. so i don't think-the case. recognisably so. so i don't. think-the case that think it can be the case that hie— think it can be the case that hie-hiten— think it can be the case that his-biden surely- think it can be the case that his biden surely has his joe biden surely has hantien— his joe biden surely has handlers him. his joe biden surely has. handlers-him. he his joe biden surely has- handlers-him. he also handlers around him. he also thawe— handlers around him. he also thaws—n.- handlers around him. he also. thaws—ie- they knows who gerry adams is. they met 2000, and that met before in 2000, and that doesn't necessarily mean he knows he is. that's a good knows who he is. that's a good paint.— knows who he is. that's a good paint-yeah— knows who he is. that's a good paint-yeah — knows who he is. that's a good paint-yeah i— knows who he is. that's a good point.-yeah i mean,- knows who he is. that's a good point. yeah i mean, like point. yeah. yeah i mean, like that six ago. we've that was six years ago. we've had few that was six years ago. we've hadlfew christmases- g we've had few christmases since had a few christmases since then.— had a few christmases since then-ie- had a few christmases since then-n a- had a few christmases since- then.-is a pandemic. then. christmas is a pandemic. hat— then. christmas is a pandemic. hat the— then. christmas is a pandemic. hat the thing— then. christmas is a pandemic. but the thing is,— then. christmas is a pandemic. but the thing is, he— then. christmas is a pandemic. but the thing is, he is- but the thing is, he is a divisive figure. yeah, he was a member of a terrorist organisation. getting organisation. there's no getting around joe biden around that. yes. and joe biden is around that. yes. and joe biden ie twing— around that. yes. and joe biden ie iiwing earne— around that. yes. and joe biden is living some kind— around that. yes. and joe biden is living some kind of- : yes. and joe biden is living some kind of last eaiwte— is living some kind of last salute fantasy— is living some kind of last salute fantasy kwasi. he's eieaiiw— salute fantasy kwasi. he's eieaiiw ean— salute fantasy kwasi. he's clearly sort of— salute fantasy kwasi. he's clearly sort of fearing that hee— clearly sort of fearing that en nearing— clearly sort of fearing that he's nearing the end of this nahai— he's nearing the end of this nahai eat.— he's nearing the end of this mortal coil, so— he's nearing the end of this mortal coil, so he's decided to etwn— mortal coil, so he's decided to etwn ta— mortal coil, so he's decided to etwn ta the— mortal coil, so he's decided to return to the homeland. yes, heee— return to the homeland. yes, because obviously he heavily itentitiee— because obviously he heavily identifies as— because obviously he heavily identifies as irish and in and eat— identifies as irish and in and eat at— identifies as irish and in and eat at he— identifies as irish and in and sort of he spent— identifies as irish and in and sort of he spent a cursory sort of. sort of he spent a cursory sort at. tee.— sort of he spent a cursory sort at. tee. wette— sort of he spent a cursory sort of. yes. hello, everybody. in wanhein— of. yes. hello, everybody. in northern ireland, which everybody— northern ireland, which everybody noticed. and then as iaet— everybody noticed. and then as taet ae— everybody noticed. and then as taet ae he— everybody noticed. and then as fast as he could,— everybody noticed. and then as fast as he could, he ran over , i

fast as he could, he ran over, i iaet— fast as he could, he ran over, i taet .— fast as he could, he ran over, i mean, fast . he— fast as he could, he ran over, i mean, fast . he crossed the mean, fast. he crossed the hate— mean, fast. he crossed the hate inta— mean, fast. he crossed the border into the— mean, fast. he crossed the border into the republic of ieiant. — border into the republic of ireland. and— border into the republic of ireland. and the change has been hwge— ireland. and the change has been hwge. vee— ireland. and the change has been hwge. tee at— ireland. and the change has been huge. yes, of course. yeah. and ewewhatw— huge. yes, of course. yeah. and everybody ean— huge. yes, of course. yeah. and everybody sort of— huge. yes, of course. yeah. and everybody sort of witnessed this and everybody sort of witnessed this ant it— everybody sort of witnessed this ant it iwet— everybody sort of witnessed this and it just doesn't— everybody sort of witnessed this and it just doesn't look great, when— and it just doesn't look great, whieh ie— and it just doesn't look great, whieh ie why— and it just doesn't look great, which is why you've got people tite— which is why you've got people iite hiiene— which is why you've got people like arlene foster— which is why you've got people like arlene foster saying that he absolutely— like arlene foster saying that he absolutely hates britain and wet— he absolutely hates britain and wet. waw— he absolutely hates britain and well, you thaw.— he absolutely hates britain and well, you know, it's posing for image— well, you know, it's posing for inagee tite— well, you know, it's posing for images like that. c : c images like that. it doesn't eant— images like that. it doesn't sent a— images like that. it doesn't send a right. diplomatic signal. this is this is the point. and also up he mix up also mixing up didn't he mix up the all blacks, the rugby team? oh, my gosh. did with the oh, my gosh. you did with the tans, the and tans, tans, with the black and tans, of with the paramilitary of course, with the paramilitary supplements the war. and supplements during the war. and that's not good, is it. no no. anyway that's all bruce has got to say on the matter. but listen, we do have to go for a break anyway. so next up on free speech i'm going to speech nation, i'm going to be talking unparalleled talking to the unparalleled talent actor, comedian talent that is actor, comedian and screenwriter john cleese. he's in the he's going to be here in the studio talking all things about comedy creativity. go comedy and creativity. don't go anywhere .

on mark dolan tonight nigel biggar, top historian and author of a brand new book which pushes back on the demonisation of the british empire. we've got haiitieai— british empire. we've got political punditry- c ”it; we've got political punditry from annunziata_ political punditry from annunziata rees—mogg, emma hwineii— annunziata rees—mogg, emma hwineii ant— annunziata rees—mogg, emma burnell and former tory mp neil patien— burnell and former tory mp neil taiieh ean— burnell and former tory mp neil parish can reform— burnell and former tory mp neil parish can reform uk influence the next— parish can reform uk influence the next election— parish can reform uk influence the next election ?_ parish can reform uk influence the next election ? i'll be the next election? i'll be aeting— the next election? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker , ann asking tonight's newsmaker, ann witteeanhe.— asking tonight's newsmaker, ann widdecombe. plus— asking tonight's newsmaker, ann widdecombe. plus lady colin eanhheii— widdecombe. plus lady colin eanhheii an— widdecombe. plus lady colin campbell on the— widdecombe. plus lady colin campbell on the royals. and it might— campbell on the royals. and it might tate— campbell on the royals. and it might take at— campbell on the royals. and it might take at ten. _ campbell on the royals. and it might take at ten. i'll be teaiing— might take at ten. i'll be dealing with— might take at ten. i'll be dealing with the overpaid stars at the— dealing with the overpaid stars at the hhe. — dealing with the overpaid stars at the bbc. it's— dealing with the overpaid stars at the bbc. it's time they took at the bbc. it's time they took a pay— at the bbc. it's time they took a hay ewt— at the bbc. it's time they took a hay ewt tite— at the bbc. it's time they took a pay cut like the— at the bbc. it's time they took a pay cut like the rest of us. wee— a pay cut like the rest of us. were the— a pay cut like the rest of us. we're live from _ a pay cut like the rest of us. we're live from ._ we're live from. nine weieane— we're live from. nine welcome back to free speech watian— welcome back to free speech watian with— welcome back to free speech nation with me,— welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. het— nation with me, andrew doyle. hnt haw— nation with me, andrew doyle. hnt the— nation with me, andrew doyle. and now the moment- nation with me, andrew doyle. and now the moment we've all been waiting for. here's a man who require an who doesn't require an introduction. delighted introduction. i'm delighted to be legendary actor be joined by the legendary actor comedian and screenwriterjohn cleese. everybody thank you .

cleese. everybody thank you. thank you for joining cleese. everybody thank you. thank you forjoining us. john. thank you for joining us. john. i'm very happy to be- 1“ “g john. i'm very happy to be here. '“i: i'm very happy to be here. and thie— i'm very happy to be here. and this is— i'm very happy to be here. and this is the— i'm very happy to be here. and this is the entire— i'm very happy to be here. and this is the entire audience for tonight. that's exactly right. we— tonight. that's exactly right. tee i— tonight. that's exactly right. tee i think— tonight. that's exactly right. yes i think there's- i1::i’“ g“ that's exactly right. yes i think there's some 1“ g“ that's exactly right. yes i think there's some others watehing— yes i think there's some others watehing at— yes i think there's some others watching at home,— yes i think there's some others watching at home, though . oh, watching at home, though. oh, thew— watching at home, though. oh, thew ta.— watching at home, though. oh, thew ta. heawe— watching at home, though. oh, they do. people watching at home and they do. people watching at home ant thew-e— they do. people watching at home and they're-their— they do. people watching at home and they're their houses. and they're in their own houses. it'slremarkable_ and they're in their own houses. it's remarkable invention. it's a remarkable invention. its— it's a remarkable invention. its-eaten— it's a remarkable invention. it's-catchithat. it's going to catch on that john, wanted to talk to you john, i wanted to talk to you about creativity because i read your book the your wonderful book on the subject. it's your wonderful book on the subject . it's good, isn't it? it subject. it's good, isn't it? it is subject. it's good, isn't it? it ielgeat— subject. it's good, isn't it? it islgreat little _ subject. it's good, isn't it? it islgreat little book- f it's good, isn't it? it is great little book called is a great little book called eeatiwitw— is a great little book called creativity. and _ is a great little book called creativity. and i— is a great little book called creativity. and i wanted to ask you— creativity. and i wanted to ask yaw-it— creativity. and i wanted to ask yaw-it heee- creativity. and i wanted to ask you it because you make you about it because you make eane—haintel you about it because you make some|this,-points. you about it because you make some this, that points you about it because you make some this, that people oints you about it because you make some this, that people won't you about it because you make somethought at people won't you about it because you make somethought of. )eople won't you about it because you make somethought of. leople won't you about it because you make somethought of. i thinkivon't you about it because you make somethought of. i think people have thought of. i think people think—the- think that creativity is the ean— think that creativity is the eat at— think that creativity is the sort of domain— think that creativity is the sort of domain the elite few, sort of domain of the elite few, iwet— sort of domain of the elite few, iwet a— sort of domain of the elite few, iwet a tew— sort of domain of the elite few, just a few kind— sort of domain of the elite few, just a few kind artists . just a few kind of artists. its— just a few kind of artists. its tast— just a few kind of artists. it's just-ability- just a few kind of artists. it's just-ability to- just a few kind of artists. i it's just-ability to know it's just the ability to know how to come up with better ideas. and it doesn't matter what— ideas. and it doesn't matter what the— ideas. and it doesn't matter what the ideas— ideas. and it doesn't matter what the ideas are- : and it doesn't matter what the ideas are . it could be what the ideas are. it could be thawe— what the ideas are. it could be flower arranging— what the ideas are. it could be flower arranging or it could be gwantwn — flower arranging or it could be quantum physics.— flower arranging or it could be quantum physics. except you've got quantum physics. except you've gat ta— quantum physics. except you've gat ta wait— quantum physics. except you've gat ta wait tai— quantum physics. except you've got to work for 20 _ quantum physics. except you've got to work for 20 years before wawe— got to work for 20 years before wawe in— got to work for 20 years before wawe in a— got to work for 20 years before you're in a state— got to work for 20 years before you're in a state where you can do you're in a state where you can ta anything— you're in a state where you can do anything creative. v/ii. do anything creative. you see what— do anything creative. you see what i— do anything creative. you see what i meane— do anything creative. you see what i mean? a— do anything creative. you see what i mean? a few things for that. but people think eeatiwitw— that. but people think creativity are - but people think creativity are people born with it? creativity are people born with he wetn— creativity are people born with it? well, obviously some people are it? well, obviously some people aae-with— it? well, obviously some people are-with more— it? well, obviously some people are-with more-it-

it? well, obviously some people are-with more-it .- it? well, obviously some people are with more it . it's are born with more of it. it's tite— are born with more of it. it's like lfootballer_ are born with more of it. it's likelfootballer or- are born with more of it. it's like footballer or a cricketer like a footballer or a cricketer . sane— like a footballer or a cricketer . same at— like a footballer or a cricketer . some of them— like a footballer or a cricketer . some of them are- like a footballer or a cricketer . some of them are enormously talented when they start and some talented but work some are less talented but work incredibly hard and become as good. but people don't understand— good. but people don'ti understand-just good. but people don't. understand-just a understand that it's just a gweetian— understand that it's just a gweetian at— understand that it's just a question of learning, understand that it's just a question of learning , really. question of learning, really. hnt— question of learning, really. hnt i— question of learning, really. hnt i thaw— question of learning, really. and i know this— question of learning, really. and i know this sounds a bit went— and i know this sounds a bit weiit haw— and i know this sounds a bit weird how to— and i know this sounds a bit weird how to work with your unconscious aukus yes, because ait— unconscious aukus yes, because we're all taught— unconscious aukus yes, because we're all taught that the only thing— we're all taught that the only thing that— we're all taught that the only thing that matters is the conscious mind . and we're most conscious mind. and we're most of conscious mind. and we're most at we— conscious mind. and we're most at we in— conscious mind. and we're most of us in education,— conscious mind. and we're most of us in education, we're told to of us in education, we're told ta haw— of us in education, we're told ta haw he— of us in education, we're told to how be good— of us in education, we're told to how be good at criticising thinge— to how be good at criticising thinge ant— to how be good at criticising things and breaking things down and things and breaking things down ant anaiweing— things and breaking things down and analysing things . and and analysing things. and thee-e— and analysing things. and thee-e a— and analysing things. and there's a completely different way— there's a completely different way at— there's a completely different way of thinking— there's a completely different way of thinking about things when— way of thinking about things which which— way of thinking about things which which you never you're tatt— which which you never you're never told about— which which you never you're never told about at school. so when— never told about at school. so when tit— never told about at school. so when tit vou— never told about at school. so when did you first— never told about at school. so when did you first realise that you were , well, not just you were, well, not just a creative person, but that you were able to harness this ability? well it was. it was when i got to c can 7 �*vptviicc . it was when i got to cambridge . i ability? well it was. it was- when i got to cambridge . i mean, when i got to cambridge. i mean, i when i got to cambridge. i mean, i gat— when i got to cambridge. i mean, i get inta— when i got to cambridge. i mean, i got into cambridge on science .—wew— i got into cambridge on science ,_very interested| , which i wasn't very interested in. hnt— , which i wasn't very interested in. hnt then— , which i wasn't very interested in. hnt then i— , which i wasn't very interested in. and then i discovered that the— in. and then i discovered that the heawe— in. and then i discovered that the people coming up to study eanhiitge— the people coming up to study cambridge science at cambridge with— cambridge science at cambridge with he— cambridge science at cambridge with he wee— cambridge science at cambridge with me were going to be quite inteeetet— with me were going to be quite interested in—

with me were going to be quite interested in science . and i interested in science. and i thawght— interested in science. and i thawght that— interested in science. and i thought that gave them a huge atwantage— thought that gave them a huge advantage over— thought that gave them a huge advantage over me. so i thought that— advantage over me. so i thought that i— advantage over me. so i thought that i thawght— advantage over me. so i thought that i thought that— advantage over me. so i thought that i thought that i'll move to eanething— that i thought that i'll move to something else. _ that i thought that i'll move to something else. so i went to law . waw— something else. so i went to law . haw thaee— something else. so i went to law . now those are— something else. so i went to law . now those are all— something else. so i went to law . now those are all very- something else. now those are all very what . now those are all very what thew— . now those are all very what they eati— . now those are all very what they eat iett— now those are all very what they call left hemisphere, all to they call left hemisphere, all ta ta— they call left hemisphere, all ta ta with— they call left hemisphere, all to do with words— they call left hemisphere, all to do with words and accuracy . to do with words and accuracy. tee. — to do with words and accuracy. tee. hnt— to do with words and accuracy. tee. hnt then— to do with words and accuracy. yes. and then i— to do with words and accuracy. yes. and then i joined the taatiighte— yes. and then i joined the taatiighte ,— yes. and then i joined the footlights , which was that club footlights, which was that club that— footlights, which was that club that hiatweet— footlights, which was that club that produced peter cook and stehhen— that produced peter cook and stehhen tw— that produced peter cook and stephen fry and— that produced peter cook and stephen fry and hugh laurie. hnt— stephen fry and hugh laurie. hnt these— stephen fry and hugh laurie. and those are— stephen fry and hugh laurie. and those are the— stephen fry and hugh laurie. and those are the comedy actor. yes. so it's a great little eiwh— yes. so it's a great little eiwh. hnt— yes. so it's a great little club. and we— v/iit: so it's a great little club. and we had a little club ant— club. and we had a little club ant i— club. and we had a little club room and i discovered i could write— room and i discovered i could write thinge— room and i discovered i could write things that— room and i discovered i could write things that made people iawgh— write things that made people iawgh ant— write things that made people laugh and suddenly at the age of 22, laugh and suddenly at the age of zz.|thawght.— laugh and suddenly at the age of zzlthawght. ah— laugh and suddenly at the age of zzlthawght. ah ,— laugh and suddenly at the age of 22, thought, oh , i'm creative. 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. so 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. sa i— 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. sa i wateh— 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. so i watch the— 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. so i watch the process. yes. and what— so i watch the process. yes. and what i— so i watch the process. yes. and what i noticed— so i watch the process. yes. and what i noticed was— so i watch the process. yes. and what i noticed was that the evening— what i noticed was that the evening sometime i'd write a eteteh— evening sometime i'd write a eteteh ant— evening sometime i'd write a eteteh ant i— evening sometime i'd write a sketch and i had— evening sometime i'd write a sketch and i had the usual hiahien— sketch and i had the usual hiahien ait— sketch and i had the usual problem all week, comics have, when— problem all week, comics have, whieh ie— problem all week, comics have, whieh ie the— problem all week, comics have, which is the punch— problem all week, comics have, which is the punch line , of which is the punch line, of course. and— which is the punch line, of course. and you- which is the punch line, of course. o which is the punch line, of course. 1 . c’3iii111i; which is the punch line, of course. o which is the punch line, of- course. and you sit there for 45 minutes and go to bed. and then the naming— minutes and go to bed. and then the naming it— minutes and go to bed. and then the morning i'd get— minutes and go to bed. and then the morning i'd get up,- p1“i: giii iiiii: and then the morning i'd get up, make a cup— the morning i'd get up, make a ewh at— the morning i'd get up, make a we at eatee.— the morning i'd get up, make a cup of coffee, sit— the morning i'd get up, make a cup of coffee, sit at the desk, ant— cup of coffee, sit at the desk, ant within— cup of coffee, sit at the desk, and within in— cup of coffee, sit at the desk, and within in 90— cup of coffee, sit at the desk, and within in 90 seconds you'd have— and within in 90 seconds you'd have the— and within in 90 seconds you'd have the answer,— and within in 90 seconds you'd have the answer, this is eanething— have the answer, this is something you mentioned in your haat. — something you mentioned in your haat. taw— something you mentioned in your book. you call— something you mentioned in your book. you call it— something you mentioned in your book. v/ii. {fee . gii1“ book. you call it intelligent. unconscious. yes so we kind of

think— unconscious. yes so we kind of think the— unconscious. yes so we kind of think the word— if v/iit: so we kind of think the word unconscious is tewtian— think the word unconscious is freudian stuff— think the word unconscious is freudian stuff for— think the word unconscious is freudian stuff for all the bad teeiinge— freudian stuff for all the bad teeiinge ant— freudian stuff for all the bad feelings and negative emotions that— feelings and negative emotions that we— feelings and negative emotions that we tw— feelings and negative emotions that we try ta— feelings and negative emotions that we try to put— feelings and negative emotions that we try to put in the twethin— that we try to put in the dustbin and— that we try to put in the dustbin and try and keep the lid on. dustbin and try and keep the lid hwt— dustbin and try and keep the lid on. but actually,— dustbin and try and keep the lid on. but actually, you all know that— on. but actually, you all know that waw— on. but actually, you all know that you ean— on. but actually, you all know that you can drive— on. but actually, you all know that you can drive from your name— that you can drive from your hane ta— that you can drive from your hane ta wawi— that you can drive from your home to your office , that kind home to your office, that kind of home to your office, that kind at thing.— home to your office, that kind at thing. hnt— home to your office, that kind of thing. and you— home to your office, that kind of thing. and you not really tiiwing. — of thing. and you not really driving. you're— of thing. and you not really driving. you're unconscious . driving. you're unconscious. hiatus— driving. you're unconscious. hhhhs ie— driving. you're unconscious. aukus is doing— driving. you're unconscious. aukus is doing it for you. you think— aukus is doing it for you. you can think about— aukus is doing it for you. you can think about anything else you— can think about anything else waw tite— can think about anything else you like, tite— can think about anything else you like, like tying your ehaeiaee— you like, like tying your shoelace, you - you like, like tying your shoelace, you tie your shoelace ,_agnnng_ shoelace, you tie your shoelace ,_agnnng-gl , you're not thinking about it. hawe— , you're not thinking about it. you're-handing- , you're not thinking about it. you're-handing it- , you're not thinking about it. you're handing it over. and you're just handing it over. and heahie— you're just handing it over. and heawe-eatee— you're just handing it over. and people realise how helpful people don't realise how helpful and people don't realise how helpful ant haw— people don't realise how helpful and how powerful— people don't realise how helpful and how powerful the unconscious is. and how powerful the unconscious ie. hnt— and how powerful the unconscious ie. hnt thee-e— and how powerful the unconscious is. and there's a— and how powerful the unconscious is. and there's a wonderful experiment— is. and there's a wonderful experiment where some some hewehaiagiet— experiment where some some psychologist 90t— experiment where some some psychologist got an audience twet— psychologist got an audience iwet tite— psychologist got an audience iwet iite waw— psychologist got an audience just like you guys , maybe twice just like you guys, maybe twice as just like you guys, maybe twice ae twiee— just like you guys, maybe twice ae twiee ae— just like you guys, maybe twice as twice as big— just like you guys, maybe twice as twice as big and showed them , as twice as big and showed them wetn— as twice as big and showed them ,wgg, na— as twice as big and showed them ,wgg, hon— as twice as big and showed them , well, no, 50% and— as twice as big and showed them , well, no, 50% and tried to ehaw— , well, no, 50% and tried to ehaw then— , well, no, 50% and tried to show them china- , well, no, 50% and tried to show them china , chinese show them china, chinese iteagiane— show them china, chinese ideograms, you- show them china, chinese ideograms, you know, chinese ehaiaeten— ideograms, you know, chinese ehaiaeten .— ideograms, you know, chinese characters . and— ideograms, you know, chinese characters . and they showed them characters. and they showed them and characters. and they showed them ant then— characters. and they showed them ant then thew— characters. and they showed them and then they came— characters. and they showed them and then they came back a few tan— and then they came back a few tawe tater— and then they came back a few days later and— and then they came back a few days later and they said, we're going— days later and they said, we're gaing ta— days later and they said, we're gaing ta ehaw— days later and they said, we're going to show you— days later and they said, we're

going to show you some more. sane— going to show you some more. same at— going to show you some more. same at waw— going to show you some more. same at you eaw— going to show you some more. some of you saw last week, some wa-wwe— some of you saw last week, some you've never seen before. we want— you've never seen before. we want waw— you've never seen before. we want waw ta— you've never seen before. we want you to tell— you've never seen before. we want you to tell us which ones you— want you to tell us which ones waw saw— want you to tell us which ones you iaet— want you to tell us which ones you saw last week— want you to tell us which ones you saw last week and they were hapeieee— you saw last week and they were haheieee. tite— you saw last week and they were hopeless. like we'd— you saw last week and they were hopeless. like we'd all be no gaat— hopeless. like we'd all be no gaat at— hopeless. like we'd all be no gaat at ah.— hopeless. like we'd all be no gaat at an. i— hopeless. like we'd all be no good at all. i mean , just the good at all. i mean, just the same as chance.— good at all. i mean, just the same as chance. yes then they eheatet— same as chance. yes then they eheatet the — same as chance. yes then they repeated the experiment and they ehawet— repeated the experiment and they ehawet then— repeated the experiment and they showed them chinese ideograms. and showed them chinese ideograms. hnt then— showed them chinese ideograms. hnt then thew— showed them chinese ideograms. and then they said— showed them chinese ideograms. and then they said to them the eeeat — and then they said to them the eeeat taw— and then they said to them the second day, the— and then they said to them the second day, the second day they eat.— second day, the second day they eat. wee— second day, the second day they said, we're going— second day, the second day they said, we're going to show you some more. some— said, we're going to show you some more. some of you saw last ween— some more. some of you saw last ween at— some more. some of you saw last ween at waw— some more. some of you saw last week, some of you saw this week. hnt— week, some of you saw this week. hnt we— week, some of you saw this week. hnt we twet— week, some of you saw this week. and we just want— week, some of you saw this week. and we just want to— week, some of you saw this week. and we just want to tell you when— and we just want to tell you whieh anee— and we just want to tell you which ones-kind- and we just want to tell you which ones kind slightly which ones you kind of slightly henn— which ones you kind of slightly heten waw— which ones you kind of slightly heten haw-at— which ones you kind of slightly prefer. you at some the prefer. you look at some of the ehahee— prefer. you look at some of the shapes-thinkt- shapes and you think, ooh, i tite— shapes and you think, ooh, i iite that— shapes and you think, ooh, i like that shape. _ shapes and you think, ooh, i like that shape. and then not taa— like that shape. and then not taa teen— like that shape. and then not too keen-that— like that shape. and then not too keen that and like that shape. and then not- too keen .that-and they too keen on that shape. and they tatt— too keen on that shape. and they tait then— too keen on that shape. and they tait then ant— too keen on that shape. and they told them and the— too keen on that shape. and they told them and the ones that they iitet— told them and the ones that they iitet wee— told them and the ones that they liked were the— told them and the ones that they liked were the ones— told them and the ones that they liked were the ones they'd seen the week— liked were the ones they'd seen the week before. _ liked were the ones they'd seen the week before. so there's an eienent— the week before. so there's an eienent at— the week before. so there's an element of familiarity to this. wett— element of familiarity to this. weii what— element of familiarity to this. weii what i— element of familiarity to this. well what i mean is that the unconscious— well what i mean is that the unconscious actually knew to when— unconscious actually knew to whieh anee— unconscious actually knew to which ones they'd seen . yes. but which ones they'd seen. yes. but if which ones they'd seen. yes. but it waw— which ones they'd seen. yes. but it waw aetet— which ones they'd seen. yes. but it you aetet it— which ones they'd seen. yes. but if you asked it a— which ones they'd seen. yes. but if you asked it a direct gweetian.— if you asked it a direct question, it— if you asked it a direct question, it it- if you asked it a direct question, it it couldn't tell you— question, it it couldn't tell you tieetiw — question, it it couldn't tell you directly. it— question, it it couldn't tell you directly. it would give you

ateeiing— you directly. it would give you a feeling rather— you directly. it would give you a feeling rather than a verbal answer. now, the— a feeling rather than a verbal answer. now, the greatest of the itenaeeanee— answer. now, the greatest of the renaissance art— answer. now, the greatest of the renaissance art critics, bernard heenean he— renaissance art critics, bernard berenson, he could always tell when— berenson, he could always tell when a— berenson, he could always tell when a painting— berenson, he could always tell when a painting was a fake , but when a painting was a fake, but he titn-t— when a painting was a fake, but he didn't analyse— when a painting was a fake, but he didn't analyse the brushstroke- he didn't analyse the brushstroke . he used to sit brushstroke. he used to sit thee— brushstroke. he used to sit thee in— brushstroke. he used to sit there in front— brushstroke. he used to sit there in front of- brushstroke. he used to sit there in front of the painting, ant— there in front of the painting, ant it— there in front of the painting, ant it he— there in front of the painting, and if he started— there in front of the painting, and if he started to feel eiightiw— and if he started to feel eiightiw gt,— and if he started to feel slightly ill, it- and if he started to feel slightly ill, it was a fake , slightly ill, it was a fake, iighte — slightly ill, it was a fake, nghte sa— slightly ill, it was a fake, right? so it's- slightly ill, it was a fake, right? c 1“g right? so it's about trusting your intuition. well, it's about understanding how to work with it and how you can only trust it to some extent . and you can to some extent. and you can twet— to some extent. and you can test it— to some extent. and you can test it ta— to some extent. and you can trust it to some— ii:a

ent. hwt— thinking has to come in at the ent. hwt the— thinking has to come in at the end. but the trouble is people stan— end. but the trouble is people start thinking— end. but the trouble is people start thinking critically only hetae— start thinking critically only before they've _ start thinking critically only before they've really developed their— before they've really developed their itea— before they've really developed their idea and— before they've really developed their idea and that way you tan-t— their idea and that way you tan-t get— their idea and that way you don't get anywhere. so you have to don't get anywhere. so you have ta iearn— don't get anywhere. so you have ta iearn haw— don't get anywhere. so you have to learn how to— don't get anywhere. so you have to learn how to create a special ehaee— to learn how to create a special ehaee where— to learn how to create a special space where you're— to learn how to create a special space where you're free from interrwhte— space where you're free from interrupts because interruptions are interrupts because interruptions teath— interrupts because interruptions teath ta— interrupts because interruptions are death to any— interrupts because interruptions are death to any kind of eeatiwitw— are death to any kind of creativity and - are death to any kind of creativity and you can just sit there— creativity and you can just sit there tan— creativity and you can just sit there for, let's— creativity and you can just sit there for, let's say, an hour, an haw— there for, let's say, an hour, an hawr ant— there for, let's say, an hour, an hour and a— there for, let's say, an hour, an hour and a half and just let wawi— an hour and a half and just let wawr nint— an hour and a half and just let your nint hiaw— an hour and a half and just let your nint hiaw .— an hour and a half and just let your mind play . say yes, because your mind play. say yes, because everything— your mind play. say yes, because everything ta— your mind play. say yes, because everything ta ta— your mind play. say yes, because everything to do with creativity is , everything to do with creativity ie . ie— everything to do with creativity ie . ie ta— everything to do with creativity ie . ie ta ta— everything to do with creativity is , is to do with— everything to do with creativity is , is to do with play. the is, is to do with play. the ahiiitv— is, is to do with play. the ahiiitv ta— is, is to do with play. the ability to play. that's interesting that you mentioned this idea of interruption because there's actually a sketch from a monty python show about the idea of a great creative beethoven in fact, being repeatedly interrupted. i think we might have clip of think we might have a clip of this. oh it's my this. oh it's one of my favourites. graham chapman and i wrate— favourites. graham chapman and i wrate thie— favourites. graham chapman and i wrate thie .— favourites. graham chapman and i wrate thie . ht— favourites. graham chapman and i wrote this . .uk fox— ” graham chapman and i wrote this . .uk fox have you wrote this. .uk fox have you the— wrote this. .uk fox have you seen the sugar— wrote this. .uk fox have you seen the sugar bowl? vviii seen the sugar bowl? no, i haven-t— seen the sugar bowl? no, i haven't seen _ seen the sugar bowl? no, i haven't seen the— seen the sugar bowl? no, i haven't seen the sugar bowl . the haven't seen the sugar bowl. the sugar bowl ? stop the sugar bowl

sugar bowl? stop the sugar bowl and finish this thinking to fighting despair. so shut up . fighting despair. so shut up. no, no , no . you see the jam no, no, no. you see the jam spoon stuff? the jam spoon is the super bowl. don't get out your ratbag shovel. i don't know what you see in that piano. leave me alone . acas with roe v leave me alone. acas with roe v wade cindy yu. we wrote that before i had any of these ideas. instinctive arnie. i knew how hart— instinctive arnie. i knew how hart it— instinctive arnie. i knew how hart it we— instinctive arnie. i knew how hard it was as— instinctive arnie. i knew how hard it was as you'd be sitting there— hard it was as you'd be sitting there at— hard it was as you'd be sitting there at my— hard it was as you'd be sitting there at my desk— hard it was as you'd be sitting there at my desk often late at night.— there at my desk often late at night, because _ there at my desk often late at night, because it— there at my desk often late at night, because it was quieter ant— night, because it was quieter ant the— night, because it was quieter ant the than— night, because it was quieter and the phone wasn't ringing and i and the phone wasn't ringing and i wawit— and the phone wasn't ringing and i wawit he— and the phone wasn't ringing and i would be sort— and the phone wasn't ringing and i would be sort of— and the phone wasn't ringing and i would be sort of building up thie— i would be sort of building up thie eeene— i would be sort of building up this scene in— i would be sort of building up this scene in my— i would be sort of building up this scene in my mind and writing— this scene in my mind and writing the— this scene in my mind and writing the phone would go, vaw-t— writing the phone would go, vaw-t anrewe— writing the phone would go, you'd answer the phone, put the than— you'd answer the phone, put the hhane tawn— you'd answer the phone, put the phone down, and— you'd answer the phone, put the phone down, and then where were

you? — phone down, and then where were you? ves— phone down, and then where were you? has. it— phone down, and then where were you? yes, it takes— phone down, and then where were you? v/iit: . 1“g you? yes, it takes something like one study said 12 minutes, another study said it's 20 minutes before you're back in the same moment in your mind that you were when you were interrupted. so the time wasted is interrupted. so the time wasted ie hwge— interrupted. so the time wasted ie hwge with— : so the time wasted is huge with interruptions. '1“i: is huge with interruptions. and this is— is huge with interruptions. and this is the— is huge with interruptions. and this is the famous— is huge with interruptions. and this is the famous case- is huge with interruptions. and this is the famous case of coleridge writing the kubla khan is that he woke up from this fevered opium dream with this complete poem in his mind, a man from porlock knocks on the door. by from porlock knocks on the door. by the time he gets back, he's only 54 lines. can't only got 54 lines. he can't remember any more. so it's a tragedy lost to literature. i know. extraordinary because that nan-rariaet— know. extraordinary because that man - porlock - because . extraordinary because that man porlock because of man from porlock just because of that— man from porlock just because of that-that— man from porlock just because of that-that sketch,- that man and that sketch, i mean, you mentioned that you wrate— mean, you mentioned that you wrote-graham- mean, you mentioned that you- wrote-graham chapman. wrote that with graham chapman. and wrote that with graham chapman. hnt i— wrote that with graham chapman. hnt i waiter— wrote that with graham chapman. and i wonder about— wrote that with graham chapman. and i wonder about whether- wrote that with graham chapman. and i wonder about whether when you this idea, that you talk about this idea, that instinct reckoned you talk about this idea, that instin it reckoned you talk about this idea, that instini don't reckoned you talk about this idea, that instini don't like reckoned you talk about this idea, that instini don't like thiseckoned you talk about this idea, that instini don't like this word ed with. i don't like this word instinct, you because it's instinct, you see, because it's got too many connotations, right? iwould got too many connotations, right? i would rather say eanething— right? i would rather say something like- ” g“.7 i would rather say something like faster thinking , something like faster thinking, when— something like faster thinking, whieh ie— something like faster thinking, which is what— something like faster thinking, which is what we're taught in mathe— which is what we're taught in maths. raw— which is what we're taught in maths. you know,— which is what we're taught in maths. you know, train leaves ttinhwrgh— maths. you know, train leaves edinburgh,-and- maths. you know, train leaves edinburgh, and such a speed edinburgh, such and such a speed and edinburgh, such and such a speed ant train— edinburgh, such and such a speed and train leaves— edinburgh, such and such a speed and train leaves london at such ant— and train leaves london at such ant eweh— and train leaves london at such ant eweh a— and train leaves london at such and such a speed,— and train leaves london at such and such a speed, you know, and, ant— and such a speed, you know, and,

ant the— and such a speed, you know, and, and the distances— and such a speed, you know, and, and the distances at— and such a speed, you know, and, and the distances at what point do and the distances at what point ta thew— and the distances at what point ta thev eaeh— and the distances at what point do they crash. yes— and the distances at what point do they crash. yes you know that tint— do they crash. yes you know that hint at— do they crash. yes you know that hint at thing.— do they crash. yes you know that kind of thing. you— do they crash. yes you know that kind of thing. you don't need any— kind of thing. you don't need any intuition— kind of thing. you don't need any intuition or— kind of thing. you don't need any intuition or creativity , its any intuition or creativity, its twiiv— any intuition or creativity, its fully understood— any intuition or creativity, its fully understood logic. so to apply_ fully understood logic. so to apply a_ fully understood logic. so to apply a creativity to a problem tite— apply a creativity to a problem iite that— apply a creativity to a problem iite that ie— apply a creativity to a problem like that is ridiculous. but if vawe— like that is ridiculous. but if vawe twing— like that is ridiculous. but if vawe twing ta— like that is ridiculous. but if you're trying to think, how do i eantrai— you're trying to think, how do i eantrai it— you're trying to think, how do i control if you're _ you're trying to think, how do i control if you're a— you're trying to think, how do i control if you're a manager , how control if you're a manager, how do control if you're a manager, how ta i— control if you're a manager, how ta i eantrai— control if you're a manager, how do i control this— control if you're a manager, how do i control this slightly tittiewit— do i control this slightly difficult group? you don't serve that.— difficult group? you don't serve that. raw— difficult group? you don't serve that. you don't— difficult group? you don't serve that. you don't solve that by tate— that. you don't solve that by iate ant— that. you don't solve that by lots and lots— that. you don't solve that by lots and lots of— that. you don't solve that by lots and lots of quick , sharp, lots and lots of quick, sharp, iagieai— lots and lots of quick, sharp, logical thinking— lots and lots of quick, sharp, logical thinking . so you have to logical thinking. so you have to sit logical thinking. so you have to eit haet— logical thinking. so you have to eit haet ant— logical thinking. so you have to sit back and sort— logical thinking. so you have to sit back and sort of absorb it. hnt— sit back and sort of absorb it. hnt that-e— sit back and sort of absorb it. and that's where _ sit back and sort of absorb it. and that's where you need to eeate— and that's where you need to eeate a— and that's where you need to create a creative— and that's where you need to create a creative space where you— create a creative space where vaw ean— create a creative space where vaw twet— create a creative space where vaw iwet eit— create a creative space where you can just sit quietly. and of the— you can just sit quietly. and of course, the first— you can just sit quietly. and of course, the first thing you do when— course, the first thing you do when you— course, the first thing you do when vaw eit— course, the first thing you do when you sit down, you shut the war— when you sit down, you shut the tear ant— when you sit down, you shut the tear ant waw— when you sit down, you shut the door and you say,— when you sit down, you shut the door and you say, right, the tint— door and you say, right, the tint thing— door and you say, right, the first thing you— door and you say, right, the first thing you think, i should have— first thing you think, i should have eaiiet— first thing you think, i should have called bob,— first thing you think, i should have called bob, right ? and then have called bob, right? and then you have called bob, right? and then vaw thawght— have called bob, right? and then vaw thawght ant— have called bob, right? and then you thought and i— have called bob, right? and then you thought and i forgot to buy the eat— you thought and i forgot to buy the eat a— you thought and i forgot to buy the cat a birthday— you thought and i forgot to buy the cat a birthday present. yeah all the cat a birthday present. yeah aii theee— the cat a birthday present. yeah all those _things. - the cat a birthday present. yeah all those things. oh, and all those other things. oh, and then—wae- all those other things. oh, and then was supposed all those other things. oh, and. then _was supposed to then that book i was supposed to etwn— then that book i was supposed to etwn-ait— then that book i was supposed to return i all these _ then that book i was supposed to return all these things. return to all these things. there-e— return to all these things. there's. little - return to all these things. there's little like there's a little bit like meditation— there's a little bit like meditation because all meditation because you get all theee— meditation because you get all theee etw— meditation because you get all these silly little _ meditation because you get all these silly little trivial iteae— these silly little trivial ideas, but— these silly little trivial ideas, but if- these silly little trivial ideas, but if you just sit there tite— ideas, but if you just sit there hike the— ideas, but if you just sit there like the buddhists say, the eiawtv— like the buddhists say, the cloudy water— like the buddhists say, the cloudy water begins to settle .

cloudy water begins to settle. hnt— cloudy water begins to settle. hnt arter— cloudy water begins to settle. and after about— cloudy water begins to settle. and after about 15, 20 minutes, you— and after about 15, 20 minutes, vaw etart— and after about 15, 20 minutes, vaw etart getting— and after about 15, 20 minutes, you start getting ideas , but you start getting ideas, but vawve— you start getting ideas, but you've no idea— you start getting ideas, but you've no idea if they're any gaat— you've no idea if they're any gaat . — you've no idea if they're any gaat . hnt— you've no idea if they're any good . and does- you've no idea if they're any good . '1“i: : you've no idea if they're any good . 11“: good. and does that work with the collaborative process as well? does that work when you have graham chapman in the room or the other pythons? once you've learned .trust - you've learned to trust each athen— you've learned to trust each other? because _ you've learned to trust each other? because being other? because when you're being eeative— other? because when you're being eeative-ie— other? because when you're being ereative-ie a— other? because when you're being ereative-ie a verv- other? because when you're being creative is a very odd creative and this is a very odd gang,— creative and this is a very odd thing. waw— creative and this is a very odd thing, you never— creative and this is a very odd thing, you never taught at eehaah— thing, you never taught at school,-you're- thing, you never taught at school, you're being school, when you're being ereative— school, when you're being ereative|it— school, when you're being creative if there no such creative, if there is no such thing— creative, if there is no such thing ae— creative, if there is no such thing ae a— creative, if there is no such thing as a mistake , because thing as a mistake, because wntii— thing as a mistake, because wntii waw— thing as a mistake, because until you explore it out, you have— until you explore it out, you have na— until you explore it out, you have no idea— until you explore it out, you have no idea whether it will eat— have no idea whether it will teat waw— have no idea whether it will teat vaw in— have no idea whether it will lead you in an— have no idea whether it will lead you in an interesting tireetian— lead you in an interesting direction or— lead you in an interesting direction or not. and if you eat— direction or not. and if you start criticising— direction or not. and if you start criticising your stuff hetare— start criticising your stuff before, you've _ start criticising your stuff before, you've just sat there ant— before, you've just sat there ant hiavet— before, you've just sat there and played with— before, you've just sat there and played with it innocently, not and played with it innocently, nat thawing— and played with it innocently, not knowing where you're going, if not knowing where you're going, it waw— not knowing where you're going, it vaw etart— not knowing where you're going, if you start criticising the whaie — if you start criticising the whole thing— if you start criticising the whole thing collapses and you get hee— whole thing collapses and you get he i— whole thing collapses and you get nowhere. i think it's a disappointment. get nowhere. i think it's a disappointment . you must tell me disappointment. you must tell me heee— disappointment. you must tell me he tit— disappointment. you must tell me he tit waw— disappointment. you must tell me because did you do— disappointment. you must tell me because did you do english? yesr_ because did you do english? ves. i— because did you do english? has. i tit.— because did you do english? has. i tit. i— because did you do english? yes, i did. i studied- because did you do english? yes, i did. i studied english. well, you see, i think if you etwtv— well, you see, i think if you etwtv ingiieh— well, you see, i think if you study english and then you start twing— study english and then you start trying ta— study english and then you start trying ta write— study english and then you start trying ta write a— study english and then you start trying to write a novel and you write— trying to write a novel and you write a— trying to write a novel and you write a sentence,— trying to write a novel and you write a sentence, you and write a sentence, you know, and waw— write a sentence, you know, and yaw-think— write a sentence, you know, and vaw-thint .— write a sentence, you know, and vaw-thint . eh- write a sentence, you know, and you think , oh, that's you suddenly think, oh, that's a big you suddenly think, oh, that's a hig grant—

you suddenly think, oh, that's a hig grant green— you suddenly think, oh, that's a big grand green that ship did you suddenly think, oh, that's a big doind green that ship did you suddenly think, oh, that's a big do that.een that ship did you suddenly think, oh, that's a big do that. andthat ship did you suddenly think, oh, that's a big do that. and you ship did you suddenly think, oh, that's a big do that. and you writeiid not do that. and you write anather— not do that. and you write another-you - not do that. and you write- another-you-what another sentence. you see what i enea— another sentence. you see what i neane-ent— another sentence. you see what i neane-ent wh— another sentence. you see what i mean? end up sounding like mean? you end up sounding like all mean? you end up sounding like at waw— mean? you end up sounding like all your heroes. _ mean? you end up sounding like all your heroes. v/iip 1“ mean? you end up sounding like all your heroes. / all your heroes. yeah, that's right. and imitating. so you're having these right. and imitating. so you're having-these interrupt- having all these interrupt ahtiane— having all these interrupt - options,_actually options, which you're actually ereating—awni creating yourself in your own nint— creating yourself in your own nintlthate— creating yourself in your own mind. that's you've got mind. so that's why you've got to mind. so that's why you've got ta-ant— mind. so that's why you've got ta-ant then- mind. so that's why you've got to-and then let,- mind. so that's why you've got to and then let, let to get quiet and then let, let theee— to get quiet and then let, let theee etw— to get quiet and then let, let these silly little _ to get quiet and then let, let these silly little thoughts eettie— these silly little thoughts eettie .— these silly little thoughts eettie . i— these silly little thoughts settle . i always have a yellow settle. i always have a yellow etietv— settle. i always have a yellow etietv thee— settle. i always have a yellow etietv there .— settle. i always have a yellow sticky there . so— settle. i always have a yellow sticky there . so if— settle. i always have a yellow sticky there . so if it says call sticky there. so if it says call hntrew— sticky there. so if it says call hntrew hawe— sticky there. so if it says call andrew doyle .— sticky there. so if it says call andrew doyle . oh, i just call andrew doyle. oh, i just call hntrew— andrew doyle. oh, i just call andrew doyle— andrew doyle. oh, i just call andrew doyle and then i can target— andrew doyle and then i can target-awe- andrew doyle and then i can forget-once i've- forget about it once i've written— forget about it once i've written .on _ forget about it once i've writtenlon the - forget about it once i've written on the sticky and written it on the sticky and then— written it on the sticky and then tet— written it on the sticky and then let the _ written it on the sticky and then let the cloudy water settle ant— then let the cloudy water settle ant-twet— then let the cloudy water settle ant-twet have— then let the cloudy water settle and just have ideas and and then just have ideas and then— and then just have ideas and then-because- and then just have ideas and then-because it- and then just have ideas and then because it doesn't then play because it doesn't matter— then play because it doesn't matter haw— then play because it doesn't matter how clever or intelligent or well—informed— matter how clever or intelligent or well—informed you are, if you eant— or well—informed you are, if you ean-t wav— or well—informed you are, if you ean-t hiav .— or well—informed you are, if you ean-t hiav . yaw-ii— or well—informed you are, if you can't play , you'll never be can't play, you'll never be eeative — can't play, you'll never be creative. and— can't play, you'll never be creative. 11“: can't play, you'll never be creative. “i: iii1“g can't play, you'll never be creative. rir1“rg . creative. and how long did it take for you with the other pythons to get to a position where you trusted each other and have that freedom to play? a bit like dating ? well the _ have that freedom to play? a bit like dating ? well the first- : 7 a bit like dating ? well the first time like dating? well the first time you like dating? well the first time vaw tate— like dating? well the first time vaw tate. waw— like dating? well the first time you date, you don't want to say eanething— you date, you don't want to say something stupid— you date, you don't want to say something stupid to you. you thaw— something stupid to you. you thaw what— something stupid to you. you thaw what i— something stupid to you. you know what i mean? yes. and you got know what i mean? yes. and you get ta— know what i mean? yes. and you gat ta get— know what i mean? yes. and you gat ta get ia— know what i mean? yes. and you gat ta get ia the— know what i mean? yes. and you got to get to the point where vawe— got to get to the point where vaw-e—withl you're relaxed enough with|

someone and you feel very comfortable— someone and you feel very comfortable with at comfortable with them. and at that— comfortable with them. and at that paint— comfortable with them. and at that paint you— comfortable with them. and at that point you could say anything— that point you could say anything like— that point you could say anything like you and me, we have— anything like you and me, we have verv— anything like you and me, we have vew we— anything like you and me, we have very we have a very good ereative— have very we have a very good creative _with - have very we have a very good creative _with our. creative relationship with our ehagwne— creative relationship with our shoguns coming— creative relationship with our shoguns coming up because we twet— shoguns coming up because we iwet tw— shoguns coming up because we iwet trv thinge— shoguns coming up because we just try things and we might say eanething— just try things and we might say eanething verv— just try things and we might say something very stupid, but it taeen-t— something very stupid, but it doesn't matter— something very stupid, but it doesn't matter because it might teat— doesn't matter because it might lead-something— doesn't matter because it might lead something very lead to something very interesting. - lead to something very interesting. v/iit: .iigv interesting. yes, absolutely. hwt— interesting. yes, absolutely. hwt-hiav— interesting. yes, absolutely. but-play thing- interesting. yes, absolutely. but-play thing is- but this play thing is absolutely- but this play thing is absolutely crucial . and the absolutely crucial. and the greateet— absolutely crucial. and the greatest research ever done was tane— greatest research ever done was tane by— greatest research ever done was tane by an— greatest research ever done was done by an american, cormac eanan— done by an american, cormac eanan in— done by an american, cormac eanan in the— done by an american, cormac conan in the 60— done by an american, cormac conan in the 60 seconds on hrehiteete— conan in the 60 seconds on hrehiteete .— conan in the 60 seconds on architects . he— conan in the 60 seconds on architects . he was particularly architects. he was particularly inteeetet— architects. he was particularly interested in— architects. he was particularly interested in architect acts, ant— interested in architect acts, ant he— interested in architect acts, ant he went— interested in architect acts, and he went around the creative arehiteete— and he went around the creative architects and— and he went around the creative architects and said, what do you do architects and said, what do you ta tran — architects and said, what do you ta ten the— architects and said, what do you do from the moment you get up in the earning— do from the moment you get up in the earning ta— do from the moment you get up in the morning to the— do from the moment you get up in the morning to the moment you go to the morning to the moment you go ta het— the morning to the moment you go ta het at— the morning to the moment you go ta het at highw— the morning to the moment you go to bed at night? and— the morning to the moment you go to bed at night? and then he went— to bed at night? and then he went around— to bed at night? and then he went around the— to bed at night? and then he went around the non—creative arehiteete. — went around the non—creative architects. - didn't- went around the non—creative architects. didn't tell architects. so he didn't tell them — architects. so he didn't tell them -why_ architects. so he didn't tell them _why that - architects. so he didn't tell. them _why that .why them that. why that was why he taiting— them that. why that was why he was talking-them— them that. why that was why he was talking-them .— them that. why that was why he was talking them . and he was talking to them. and he eat.— was talking to them. and he eat-ta— was talking to them. and he eait-ta-ta- was talking to them. and he said,-do-do in- was talking to them. and he said, do do in the said, what do you do in the earning— said, what do you do in the morning morning? said, what do you do in the- morning-morning? and morning from the morning? and you morning from the morning? and yaw-ant— morning from the morning? and vaw-ant the— morning from the morning? and you-and the and- morning from the morning? and you and the and the only you get up and the and the only titterenee— you get up and the and the only difference was— you get up and the and the only difference was two— you get up and the and the only difference was two things. one that— difference was two things. one that the — difference was two things. one was that the creative architects eawit — was that the creative architects eawit wav— was that the creative architects eawit hiav .— was that the creative architects eawit hiav . inev— was that the creative architects could play . they could just sit could play. they could just sit there—

could play. they could just sit there with— could play. they could just sit there with ideas— could play. they could just sit there with ideas .— could play. they could just sit there with ideas . and just just there with ideas. and just just play— there with ideas. and just just stay ant— there with ideas. and just just stay ant the— there with ideas. and just just play and the other thing which is interesting— play and the other thing which is interesting in— play and the other thing which is interesting in the opposite of is interesting in the opposite at everything.— is interesting in the opposite of everything, we believe in, in our of everything, we believe in, in society — of everything, we believe in, in society ie— of everything, we believe in, in our society, is that— of everything, we believe in, in our society, is that the ereative— our society, is that the creative architects took as long as creative architects took as long ae haeeihie— creative architects took as long ae haeeihie ta— creative architects took as long as possible to make up their nint— as possible to make up their nint . — as possible to make up their nint . ves— as possible to make up their mind . v/iit: f because they mind. yes, because. because they titn-t— mind. yes, because. because they titn-t hatt— mind. yes, because. because they didn't hold anything— mind. yes, because. because they didn't hold anything up.- mind. v/iit: f because they didn't hold anything up. but the first didn't hold anything up. but the tint ane— didn't hold anything up. but the tint i— didn't hold anything up. but the first one i made— didn't hold anything up. but the first one i made many years ago , first one i made many years ago i , first one i made many years ago . i weet— first one i made many years ago . i weet ta— first one i made many years ago , i used to make— first one i made many years ago , i used to make training films ant— , i used to make training films ant the— , i used to make training films ant the heet— , i used to make training films and the best lesson i ever iearnet— and the best lesson i ever iearnet ie— and the best lesson i ever learned is if— and the best lesson i ever learned is if you have a teeieian— learned is if you have a decision often- learned is if you have a decision often to make the first gweetian— decision often to make the first gweetian waw— decision often to make the first question you must— decision often to make the first question you must ask is always . when— question you must ask is always . when taee— question you must ask is always , when does this— question you must ask is always , when does this decision have to , when does this decision have ta he— , when does this decision have ta he hate— , when does this decision have ta he nate e— , when does this decision have to be made ? and— , when does this decision have to be made ? and you make it at to be made? and you make it at that— to be made? and you make it at that paint.— to be made? and you make it at that paint. hwt— to be made? and you make it at that point, but you— to be made? and you make it at that point, but you don't make it hetare— that point, but you don't make it before because— that point, but you don't make it before because you may get new information _ it before because you may get new information and you may get iteae— new information and you may get iteae .— new information and you may get iteae . sa— new information and you may get new ideas . so why— new information and you may get new ideas . so why hurry the new ideas. so why hurry the haeeee— new ideas. so why hurry the haeeee ie— new ideas. so why hurry the process is instead of using all the— process is instead of using all the time— process is instead of using all the time you've— process is instead of using all the time you've got for new iteae— the time you've got for new iteae ant— the time you've got for new ideas and new— the time you've got for new ideas and new information , you ideas and new information, you what— ideas and new information, you what heawe— ideas and new information, you see what people want to be teeieive — see what people want to be decisive and _ see what people want to be decisive and they think it's all

ahawt—ent- decisive and they think it's all ahawt—ien-t. - decisive and they think it's alli about—isn't . well, about this. and it isn't. well, when— about this. and it isn't. well, when vea— about this. and it isn't. well, when vew wee— about this. and it isn't. well, when you were writing life of brian, took brian, for instance, you took yourself to bahamas. yourself away to the bahamas. i believe, the group. and believe, with the group. and yeah , barbatus, i think,- giii. and yeah , barbatus, i think, oh, yeah, barbatus, i think, oh, harhatae. — yeah, barbatus, i think, oh, barbados. _werel yeah, barbatus, i think, oh,- barbados. _were willing barbados. and you were willing to explore lovely. we just to explore those lovely. we just talked to explore those lovely. we just taitet ahawt— to explore those lovely. we just talked about the _ to explore those lovely. we just talked about the movie- we just talked about the movie for two whaie— talked about the movie for two whaie ween— talked about the movie for two whole weeks and— talked about the movie for two whole weeks and didn't rush it in what— whole weeks and didn't rush it in what waw— whole weeks and didn't rush it in what you weren't rushing it in what you weren't rushing it in that— in what you weren't rushing it in that way?— in what you weren't rushing it in that way? no,— in what you weren't rushing it in that way? no, we were taking our in that way? no, we were taking tine.— in that way? no, we were taking tine. hnt— in that way? no, we were taking our time. and as— in that way? no, we were taking our time. and as terry jones eat.— our time. and as terry jones eait. we— our time. and as terry jones said, we weren't— our time. and as terry jones said, we weren't having to take the tite— said, we weren't having to take the kite ta— said, we weren't having to take the kids to dentist, but you the kids to the dentist, but you eawit— the kids to the dentist, but you eawit twet— the kids to the dentist, but you eawit iwet eit— the kids to the dentist, but you could just sit-with- the kids to the dentist, but you could just sit with it all could just sit there with it all the— could just sit there with it all the time— could just sit there with it all the time .— could just sit there with it all the time . and— could just sit there with it all the time . and we got the whole the time. and we got the whole eeriht— the time. and we got the whole eeriht eaiw— the time. and we got the whole script really done— the time. and we got the whole script really done in in two week — script really done in in two week hnt— script really done in in two weeks. and you- script really done in in two weeks. “i: f: script really done in in two weeks. script really done in in two- weeks. and you could say there must have been so many examples where someone might suggest something if were afraid of something if they were afraid of making mistakes or seeing silly seeming then nothing. seeming silly, then nothing. would you don't get anywhere. no, get anywhere at no, you don't get anywhere at ah.— no, you don't get anywhere at air-the— no, you don't get anywhere at air-the thing— no, you don't get anywhere at all.-the thing is,- no, you don't get anywhere at all. the thing is, if you all. and the thing is, if you want—ideas- all. and the thing is, if you want—ideas in. want to creative ideas in a grew— want to creative ideas in a grawh .— want to creative ideas in a grawh . the— want to creative ideas in a grawh . the tew— want to creative ideas in a group , the key is diversity . group, the key is diversity. hattv. — group, the key is diversity. motty. because _ group, the key is diversity. motty. because if you get a lot of motty. because if you get a lot at nittie— motty. because if you get a lot of middle aged— motty. because if you get a lot of middle aged white men sitting in a— of middle aged white men sitting in a room on some— of middle aged white men sitting in a room on some project at the ent— in a room on some project at the ent at— in a room on some project at the ent at g,— in a room on some project at the ent at g, thew— in a room on some project at the end of it, they will— in a room on some project at the end of it, they will all say, what— end of it, they will all say, what a— end of it, they will all say, what a splendid business it was

and what a splendid business it was ant thew-t— what a splendid business it was and they'd love— what a splendid business it was and they'd love to— what a splendid business it was and they'd love to do it again. t hey— and they'd love to do it again. they thawght— and they'd love to do it again. they thought it— and they'd love to do it again. they thought it was very worthwhile _ they thought it was very worthwhile and they come up with all, worthwhile and they come up with at. ahaw— worthwhile and they come up with at. atav. tn— worthwhile and they come up with all, okay, i'm sorry,— worthwhile and they come up with all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm going— all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm gaing ta— all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm gaing ta have— all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm going to have to— all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm going to have to apologise if ananev— going to have to apologise if anyone was offended by the enaee— anyone was offended by the hhraee. wetn— anyone was offended by the phrase, well, i— anyone was offended by the phrase, well, i didn't know. was atteneive— phrase, well, i didn't know. was offensive. john— phrase, well, i didn't know. was offensive. john i'm— phrase, well, i didn't know. was offensive. john i'm afraid it's heee— offensive. john i'm afraid it's because he's— offensive. john i'm afraid it's because he's before the watershed— because he's before the watershed. - because he's before the watershed . v/ii. because he's before the watershed. v/ii. because he's before the- watershed . you see, he's before watershed. you see, he's before the watershed. so before the water. and it's a sabbath , john. water. and it's a sabbath, john. so really, i'm. we're going to take a break now . we're going to take a break now. we're going to carry on, though, after the break. have more to say. break. we have much more to say. some is ofcom compliant. some of it is ofcom compliant. i'll you in a minutes. i'll see you in a few minutes. i do apologise .

welcome back to free speech nation . welcome back to free speech watian with— . welcome back to free speech nation with me,— welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. i'd nation with me, andrew doyle. in test— nation with me, andrew doyle. it last tite— nation with me, andrew doyle. it last iite te— nation with me, andrew doyle. i'd just like to apologise- nation with me, andrew doyle. i'd just like to apologise again for bad language that we had for the bad language that we had before the john, can we? before the break. john, can we? yeah. apologise . you can slap yeah. i apologise. you can slap me yeah. i apologise. you can slap he an the— yeah. i apologise. you can slap me on the right— yeah. i apologise. you can slap me on the right .— v/iip 1“ g you can slap me on the right . osteoporosis

v/iip 1“ g you can slap me on the right. osteoporosis is . hit— me on the right. osteoporosis is . hit i— me on the right. osteoporosis is . did i apologise,— me on the right. osteoporosis is . did i apologise, john,- me on the right. osteoporosis is . did i apologise, john, anyway. well, if you hadn't sworn, we wouldn't have had to do that . wouldn't have had to do that. okay. we've brought in our panel here. we have diane and bruce . here. we have diane and bruce. we're listening in on that. and of course, diane, you know, you're stand comedian you're a stand up comedian as well. you go through this creative process. anything creative process. did anything that you? that john say resonate with you? a resonated with i a lot resonated with me. i thawght— a lot resonated with me. i- thawght—ahawt thought it was interesting about the ieaning— thought it was interesting about the leaning into— thought it was interesting about the leaning into it and sort of ietting— the leaning into it and sort of ietting it— the leaning into it and sort of letting it wash— the leaning into it and sort of letting it wash into you because i'm letting it wash into you because in aiwave— letting it wash into you because i'm always rewriting us because ahviaweiv— i'm always rewriting us because ahviawew i— i'm always rewriting us because obviously i need— i'm always rewriting us because obviously i need to sort of, you thaw.— obviously i need to sort of, you knew have— obviously i need to sort of, you knew have i— obviously i need to sort of, you know, have i got— obviously i need to sort of, you know, have i got the right word? am know, have i got the right word? he i— know, have i got the right word? he i writing— know, have i got the right word? he i writing it— know, have i got the right word? am 1 writing it in— know, have i got the right word? am i writing it in the right arten— am i writing it in the right arten hit— am i writing it in the right order? did you— am i writing it in the right order? did you have any hartiewiar— order? did you have any particular habits that you natieet— particular habits that you noticed about— particular habits that you noticed about yourself? because i noticed about yourself? because i with— noticed about yourself? because i with write— noticed about yourself? because i will write jokes— noticed about yourself? because i will write jokes in the wrong arter— i will write jokes in the wrong arter ant— i will write jokes in the wrong order and it's— i will write jokes in the wrong order and it's only after i've tane— order and it's only after i've tane then— order and it's only after i've done them for— order and it's only after i've done them for a— order and it's only after i've done them for a couple of years, iranieaiiw— done them for a couple of years, iranieaiiv. in— done them for a couple of years, ironically, in front— done them for a couple of years, ironically, in front of a crowd that— ironically, in front of a crowd that iti— ironically, in front of a crowd that i'll suddenly go, oh, my gaat— that i'll suddenly go, oh, my gaat ghet— that i'll suddenly go, oh, my good grief, that— that i'll suddenly go, oh, my good grief, that needs to be eanhieteiv— good grief, that needs to be eawit-eaw— good grief, that needs to be comfit's twice— good grief, that needs to be comfit's twice as good. v/iit: then it's twice as good. yes, wetn— then it's twice as good. yes, weii. there-s— then it's twice as good. yes, well, there's about six different points there. one different points in there. one is that greatest teacher you is that the greatest teacher you ever comedy ? the ever have in comedy? the audience, right? yeah. yeah because they tell you if it's

funny and as my daughter once said, being a comedian is a bit like being a matador because the feedback is so immediate. yeah yes. you know , i've met your yes. you know, i've met your daughter. she's lovely. she's ainaet— daughter. she's lovely. she's ainaet ae— daughter. she's lovely. she's almost as tall— daughter. she's lovely. she's almost as tall as— daughter. she's lovely. she's almost as tall as you- :g she's lovely. she's almost as tall as you . 11“r: . almost as tall as you. and it mates— almost as tall as you. and it mates vee— almost as tall as you. and it mates vew se— almost as tall as you. and it makes you so vulnerable , doesn't makes you so vulnerable, doesn't it? you know, that's why people in their early days of stand up, because of that immediacy of the reaction, it's not like a drama where they just sit there where they can just sit there in silence fine. you silence and it's fine. you you depend them. and also it's, depend on them. and also it's, you depend on them. and also it's, yaw—twing- depend on them. and also it's, yaw—trying ta you know, what we do trying to hate— you know, what we do trying to mate hearte— you know, what we do trying to mate heawe-ie- you know, what we do trying to make people-is a- you know, what we do trying to make people is a very, make people laugh is a very, verv— make people laugh is a very, very difficult.— make people laugh is a very, very difficult. and when you an,— very difficult. and when you fail,-terrible- very difficult. and when you fail,-terrible . - very difficult. and when you fail, terrible . v/ii. fail, you feel terrible. you teei— fail, you feel terrible. you feel terrible. _ fail, you feel terrible. you feel terrible. bruce but every day i've no idea. i'm not happy . but how do you go about with your your creative process? quite different because you largely do it emceeing rather than written sets, don't you? so that's a different of that's a different kind of creativity. it's spontaneity, i suppose, schizophrene yeah, suppose, or schizophrene yeah, some might call it. some people might call it. yeah. no, i don't know. ijust twin— yeah. no, i don't know. ijust twrn wh— yeah. no, i don't know. ijust twrn we. re— yeah. no, i don't know. ijust turn up. i've never- yeah. no, i don't know. ijust turn up. i've never really thawght— turn up. i've never really thought about- turn up. i've never really thought about it, if you see what— thought about it, if you see what i— thought about it, if you see what i-tan-t- thought about it, if you see what i don't really thought about it, if you see. what i-don't really see what i mean. i don't really see that.— what i mean. i don't really see that-thawgh— what i mean. i don't really see

that. through process or that. i go through a process or whatever.— that. i go through a process or whatever. -i— that. i go through a process or whatever.-i do- that. i go through a process or whatever. i do what whatever. it's just i do what i— whatever. it's just i do what i thaw.— whatever. it's just i do what ever i know. that sounds really tint—hwnae- kind of merely you. dumas heeawee— kind of merely you. dumas preparation, no preparation, though. no, no, no . tew— preparation, though. no, no, no . you see, we're all- preparation, though. no, no, no v/ii. . ii: v/ii. . you see, we're all tired. you and eddie is right. i hate you guys because you don't do any work. i'm not standing for iahawn— work. i'm not standing for iahawn ea— work. i'm not standing for labour, so don't- i'm not standing for labour, so don't hate me. no, hwt— labour, so don't hate me. no, hwt that-e— labour, so don't hate me. no, hwt that-e verv— labour, so don't hate me. no, but that's very interesting heee— but that's very interesting because someone like eddie heart.— because someone like eddie heart. wha— because someone like eddie izzard, who has— because someone like eddie izzard, who has that spontaneity that— izzard, who has that spontaneity that gaee— izzard, who has that spontaneity that gaee an— izzard, who has that spontaneity that gaee an ae— izzard, who has that spontaneity that goes on as he— izzard, who has that spontaneity that goes on as he walks on etage— that goes on as he walks on etage. he— that goes on as he walks on stage, he doesn't- that goes on as he walks on stage, he doesn't know what he's going— stage, he doesn't know what he's gaing ta— stage, he doesn't know what he's gaing ta eav. — stage, he doesn't know what he's gaing ta eav. oh— stage, he doesn't know what he's going to say. 01“ 7g stage, he doesn't know what he's going to say. 01“ going to say. oh, terrify me. yes. i going to say. oh, terrify me. ves- i mean— going to say. oh, terrify me. yes. i mean, don't- going to say. oh, terrify me. yes. i mean, don't get- going to say. 01“ 7g v/iit: i mean, don't get me wrong. yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. in— yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. he get— yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. he get a— yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. he get a eewte— yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. i've got a couple of— v/iit: i mean, don't get me wrong. i've got a couple of bits that i tet— i've got a couple of bits that i tret ewt— i've got a couple of bits that i tret ewt eart— i've got a couple of bits that i trot out sort of— i've got a couple of bits that i trot out sort of thing, but by ant— trot out sort of thing, but by ant targe— trot out sort of thing, but by and large, it's— trot out sort of thing, but by and large, it's just like, oh, what— and large, it's just like, oh, what new— and large, it's just like, oh, what now? am _ and large, it's just like, oh, what now? am i— and large, it's just like, oh, what now? am i at work? like thie— what now? am i at work? like thie ie— what now? am i at work? like thie ie a— what now? am i at work? like thie ie a hwge— what now? am i at work? like this is a huge inconvenience. vee— this is a huge inconvenience. tee—twet- this is a huge inconvenience.- yes_quick blether yes so just have a quick blether with— yes so just have a quick blether with-thew— yes so just have a quick bletheri with _they _fine. with them and they seem fine. whate— with them and they seem fine. nhge vea— with them and they seem fine. what? you were— with them and they seem fine. what? you were talking- with them and they seem fine. what? you were talking about, you know call the you know what i call the carpentry when you've got the idea . but are you getting the idea. but are you getting the phrases right? that seems to me technical . that doesn't seem to technical. that doesn't seem to be particularly creative . that's be particularly creative. that's something to do as we something we learn to do as we go along. but the creativity is the idea that before we apply the idea that before we apply the carpentry , i totally see

the carpentry, i totally see what you mean because but equally at the same time, i find that a very particular word will have such a certain rhythmic flavour and it will suddenly elevate, elevate the whole thing . but also because sometimes you get a word and you suddenly get a new idea. yeah. yes. and that takes you off? yes > and we aetwaiiv— takes you off? yes > and we actually don't— takes you off? yes > and we actually don't have- iii�*”7 v/iit: > and we actually don't have much time. hwt— actually don't have much time. hwt i— actually don't have much time. hwt i twet— actually don't have much time. hwt i iwet want— actually don't have much time. but i just want to— actually don't have much time. but i just want to come to you, johna— but i just want to come to you, iahn. finally— but i just want to come to you, john, finally, about this. hiiewet— john, finally, about this. allowed _wordl john, finally, about this. allowed _word no, allowed to say the word yes, no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let rin— no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let rigs-hwt— no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let rin-hwt thie— no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let rip. _but this show- at 9:00, you can let rip. but this show won't rip. oh, but but this show won't be rip. oh, but but this show won't he — rip. oh, but but this show won't he then— rip. oh, but but this show won't be on. then what?— rip. oh, but but this show won't be on. then what? so you'll be ewt— be on. then what? so you'll be ewt in— be on. then what? so you'll be ewt in the— be on. then what? so you'll be out in the car— be on. then what? so you'll be out in the car park— be on. then what? so you'll be out in the car park so you can do out in the car park so you can te it— out in the car park so you can te it there. — out in the car park so you can do it there. oh,— out in the car park so you can do it there. oh, this is most tieappeinting— do it there. oh, this is most disappointing, john. i want hetee— disappointing, john. i want heae-ga— disappointing, john. i want before go, because we don't before we go, because we don't have—twet- before we go, because we don'ti have _justhuickly have much time. just to quickly ask have much time. just to quickly aet waw— have much time. just to quickly aet yew-the— have much time. just to quickly ask you _the _that i have much time. just to quickly ask you the that we ask you about the show that we are—at— ask you about the show that we are—at the- ask you about the show that we are—at the momenti ask you about the show that we. are—at the moment for are working on at the moment for this are working on at the moment for the—thie— are working on at the moment for thie—thn ie- are working on at the moment for this—this is the- this channel. and this is the tineeawr— this channel. and this is the dinosaur hour.— this channel. and this is the dinosaur hour. and people this channel. and this is the dino are' hour. and people this channel. and this is the dino are determined people this channel. and this is the dino are determined to people this channel. and this is the dino are determined to stay)le this channel. and this is the dino are determined to stay out who are determined to stay out of who are determined to stay out at teweh. — who are determined to stay out at teweh. ves— who are determined to stay out of touch. yes . so— who are determined to stay out of touch. v/iit: so lots of of touch. yes. so lots of unfashionable_ of touch. v/iit: so lots of unfashionable people getting tegether— unfashionable people getting tegetherant— unfashionable people getting together and having interesting conversations.— together and having interesting conversations. well the idea is, i conversations. well the idea is, ithint— conversations. well the idea is, ithint the— conversations. well the idea is, i think the television i did a hregran— i think the television i did a hregran tite— i think the television i did a program like this with david treet—

program like this with david treet in— program like this with david frost in 1966,— program like this with david frost in 1966, and, you know, he eewitn-t— frost in 1966, and, you know, he eewitn-t get— frost in 1966, and, you know, he couldn't get anyone to go on on his couldn't get anyone to go on on hie ehaw— couldn't get anyone to go on on his show because— couldn't get anyone to go on on his show because he was sort of aeeeeiatet— his show because he was sort of associated with— his show because he was sort of associated with that was the weet— associated with that was the weet that— associated with that was the week that was. _ associated with that was the week that was. 11“i: week that was. and all the satire. and then he had a guy called ernest marples eventually went on the show and it was a good interview. and the next day the everyone wanted good interview. and the next day thtbe everyone wanted good interview. and the next day thtbe on everyone wanted good interview. and the next day thtbe on the everyone wanted good interview. and the next day thtbe on the show. eryone wanted good interview. and the next day thtbe on the show. nowe wanted good interview. and the next day thtbe on the show. now here ited to be on the show. now here everybody's worried lot of everybody's worried or a lot of the people worried the left people are worried because it's a right because they say it's a right wing channel. there's a lot of right programmes it. but right wing programmes on it. but what to do have what i want to do is to have something that isn't particularly once slander another has people another and that has people talking to each other. and more important, to each important, listening to each other see what are the areas other to see what are the areas if you take work? well, a lot of goodideasin if you take work? well, a lot of good ideas in work. also in my opinion, a lot of not very good ideas. opinion, a lot of not very good ideas . and what are the good ideas. and what are the good ideas? what are the ideas? we don't agree with? why do they not want public debate? what's the for that kind of the reason for that kind of thing? so and actually talked about it in a nice , relaxed about it in a nice, relaxed tone. we're sort of created tone. so we're sort of created a sort of silly gentleman's club . sort of silly gentleman's club. yes. sort of soft chairs and people talking quite closely to

each. tell people talking quite closely to each . tell me you'll have cats. each. tell me you'll have cats. or..— each. tell me you'll have cats. eh. vee— each. tell me you'll have cats. eh. vee .— each. tell me you'll have cats. eh. vee . vee— each. tell me you'll have cats. eh. vee . yesv vee— each. tell me you'll have cats. oh, yes , yes, yes, we- f tell me you'll have cats. oh, yes , yes, yes, we will have oh, yes, yes, yes, we will have eate. — oh, yes, yes, yes, we will have eate. inat— oh, yes, yes, yes, we will have cats. that is. come- oh, yes, yes, yes, we will have cats. come on the show. cats. that is. come on the show. veg.— cats. that is. come on the show. tee i— cats. that is. come on the show. tee i wawit— cats. that is. come on the show. yes, i would love— cats. that is. come on the show. yes, i would love to. _ cats. come on the show. yes, i would love to. v/iit: yes, i would love to. yes. have you— yes, i would love to. yes. have vew ean— yes, i would love to. yes. have you can you bring your cat? i don't have one. that, i'm afraid is don't have one. that, i'm afraid ie ait— don't have one. that, i'm afraid ie at weve— don't have one. that, i'm afraid ie at get— don't have one. that, i'm afraid is all we've got time— don't have one. that, i'm afraid is all we've got time for- iiiii“ . that, i'm afraid is all we've got time for one. if is all we've got time for one. it waw— is all we've got time for one. it vew eee— is all we've got time for one. if you come on— is all we've got time for one. if you come on the discussion is teeeentet— if you come on the discussion is descended into— if you come on the discussion is descended into into— if you come on the discussion is descended into into cats and if you— descended into into cats and if vew eee— descended into into cats and if you come on the— descended into into cats and if you come on the show, will you buy— you come on the show, will you hwv a— you come on the show, will you hwv a eate — you come on the show, will you hwv a eate i— you come on the show, will you buy a cat? i can't— you come on the show, will you buy a cat? f 1“ . f . buy a cat? i can't commit to a cat. all right, i'm going to put my foot down here. that's the end of my foot down here. that's the ent et thie— my foot down here. that's the end of this section— my foot down here. that's the end of this section of- : "iii”iiil that's the end of this section of the show. hwt— end of this section of the show. hwt next— end of this section of the show. but next-after— end of this section of the show. but next-after the - end of this section of the show. but next after the break, we but next up after the break, we have— but next up after the break, we have-taneer— but next up after the break, we have - dancer who - but next up after the break, we have dancer who forced have the dancer who was forced to have the dancer who was forced te-tren — have the dancer who was forced te-tren newn- have the dancer who was forced to from own company. to resign from her own company. that-e— to resign from her own company. ihate teeie— to resign from her own company. that's rosie-don't- to resign from her own company. that's rosie don't go that's rosie kay. don't go anywhere— that's rosie kay. don't go anvwhee .—

welcome back to free speech wateh— welcome back to free speech nation dancer— welcome back to free speech nation dancer and choreographer teeie— nation dancer and choreographer iteeie hav— nation dancer and choreographer iteeie haw wae— nation dancer and choreographer rosie kay was forced to resign tren— rosie kay was forced to resign tren her— rosie kay was forced to resign tren her awn— rosie kay was forced to resign from her own dance company in hesi— from her own dance company in zezi arter— from her own dance company in 2021 after she— from her own dance company in 2021 after she was— from her own dance company in 2021 after she was accused of traneter— 2021 after she was accused of transfer phobia— 2021 after she was accused of transfer phobia by some of her

taneee hwt— transfer phobia by some of her dancers. but now— transfer phobia by some of her dancers. but now rosie is back. she-e— dancers. but now rosie is back. she-e get— dancers. but now rosie is back. she-e get a— dancers. but now rosie is back. she-e get a new— dancers. but now rosie is back. she's got a new company. she's ereatet— she's got a new company. she's ereatet a— she's got a new company. she's created a freedom _ she's got a new company. she's created a freedom of expression eharter— created a freedom of expression eharter ant— created a freedom of expression charter and has— created a freedom of expression charter and has raised enough nenev— charter and has raised enough nenev te— charter and has raised enough nenev te tew— charter and has raised enough money to tour new production, money to tour a new production, whieh— money to tour a new production, whieh eenhinee— money to tour a new production, which combines research in which combines her research in the niiitaw— which combines her research in the military and— which combines her research in the military and dance. joining me now , rosie— the military and dance. joining me now , rosie kay. hello. hi so, me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, teeie— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, iteeie. ite— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, iteeie. its a— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, rosie, it's a it's— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, rosie, it's a it's a— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, rosie, it's a it's a great hieaewre— rosie, it's a it's a great pleasure to— rosie, it's a it's a great pleasure to have you back. and it's fantastic— pleasure to have you back. and it's fantastic to _ pleasure to have you back. and it's fantastic to hear that vewve— it's fantastic to hear that vewve get— it's fantastic to hear that you've got this- it's fantastic to hear that you've got this new company up ant— you've got this new company up ant rwnning— you've got this new company up ant rwnning. he— you've got this new company up and running. do you want to just tell and running. do you want to just teii-hrietw— tell us very briefly what hahhenet— tell us very briefly whatl hahhenet—whv tell us very briefly what- happened _why this was happened before and why this was eeeeeaw — happened before and why this was necessary? .briefly,- happened before and why this was necessary? .briefly, i- necessary? very briefly, i ianed necessary? very briefly, i invited some dancers back to my house. we got into a debate very late in the in morning about late in the in the morning about the difference and the difference between sex and genden the difference between sex and gender. and this escalated. they took out complaints against me and my board capitulated and investigate me. and in the end, i realised that they were going to try and train me into rethinking my own ideas . and so rethinking my own ideas. and so i felt it was the right thing to do, was to resign. but i would have would have sued them. but they company . so they folded the company. so i set my own new company last set up my own new company last yeah set up my own new company last year. but don't worry, everyone, eaneei— year. but don't worry, everyone, cancel-doesn't- year. but don't worry, everyone, cancel-doesn't exist. -

cancel culture doesn't exist. eiearw— cancel culture doesn't exist. eieariv vew — cancel culture doesn't exist. clearly you know, so this and eeheeiaiiv— clearly you know, so this and eeheeiaiiv ae— clearly you know, so this and especially as an— clearly you know, so this and especially as an artist, you neet— especially as an artist, you neetlhave— especially as an artist, you need have freedom of thought. need to have freedom of thought. and need to have freedom of thought. hnt-thew. — need to have freedom of thought. hnt-thew. waw— need to have freedom of thought. and know, you weren't being and you know, you weren't being antagenietie— and you know, you weren't being antagonistic or— and you know, you weren't being antagonistic or anything. you're just antagonistic or anything. you'rei iwet—heing just expressing a view and being eeen— just expressing a view and being ehen-tieeweeien— just expressing a view and being open-discussion . - just expressing a view and being open discussion . 1: open to a discussion. and i thirt— open to a discussion. and i think-the— open to a discussion. and i think the are the think that the arts are the place to, know, explore all place to, you know, explore all these complicated ideas. and i was discussing making this new work based on virginia woolf's orlando this is orlando. so, you know, this is where this is these interesting things are happening the things are happening at the moment. where artists moment. that's where artists should be. and we should be looking we should be looking at this and we should be talking creatively, talking about it creatively, mocking , exploring it, mocking it, exploring it, looking deeply , asking looking at it deeply, asking difficult questions. i absolutely think that's what we should be doing rather than saying point view saying there's one point of view that and everyone saying there's one point of view that must and everyone saying there's one point of view that must shut and everyone saying there's one point of view that must shut up. that'sryone saying there's one point of view that must shut up. that's right. else must shut up. that's right. now else must shut up. that's right. haw-ereatet— else must shut up. that's right. now-created this- else must shut up. that's right. now-created this new- now you've created this new tanee— now you've created this new tanee eenean.— now you've created this new dance company, which is tantaetie— dance company, which is fantastic-,- dance company, which is| fantastic-,-your fantastic news, and your first war-eet— fantastic news, and your first project i actually— fantastic news, and your first project actually a reworking project is actually a reworking of project is actually a reworking et a— project is actually a reworking at a wag-eet— project is actually a reworking at a hreieet vew— project is actually a reworking of a project you worked on back in here.— of a project you worked on back in here. i— of a project you worked on back in 2010. i believe— of a project you worked on back in 2010. i believe .— of a project you worked on back in 2010. i believe . five in 2010. i believe. five setters.— in 2010. i believe. five soldiers. yeah. and can you tell us soldiers. yeah. and can you tell we a hit— soldiers. yeah. and can you tell us a bit about— soldiers. yeah. and can you tell us a bit about this— soldiers. yeah. and can you tell us a bit about this show? well it's us a bit about this show? well he get— us a bit about this show? well we get gwite— us a bit about this show? well we get gwite a— us a bit about this show? well it's got quite a strange genesis . i— it's got quite a strange genesis . i was— it's got quite a strange genesis . i tint— it's got quite a strange genesis . i was kind of— it's got quite a strange genesis . i was kind of at— it's got quite a strange genesis . i was kind of at the- it's got quite a strange genesis . i was kind of at the peak of my performing career and i suffered an injury on stage and was told i wouldn't dance again

and would take me a long time and it would take me a long time to again. and i was to walk again. and i was obviously complete shock to walk again. and i was obvifollowing complete shock to walk again. and i was obvifollowing the omplete shock to walk again. and i was obvifollowing the operation, iock to walk again. and i was obvifollowing the operation, the and following the operation, the reconstruction of my knee, i had this vivid dream that i was this very vivid dream that i was lying on a desert battlefield and my leg had been blown off . and my leg had been blown off. and it made me question ideas both about the body and the soul, but also as a dancer. i'd have done anything to get back on stage and perform again. and it was the time. it was a long time ago. it was the time of the iraq war. and i looked at the faces young soldiers killed faces of young soldiers killed in the the next in iraq on the news. the next morning, and i wondered, how on earth prepare earth do you train and prepare for doesn't just for a body that doesn't just risk injury, but you actually risk injury, but you actually risk life? maybe it's risk your life? and maybe it's not maybe not like the movies. maybe they're maybe they're not brainwashed. maybe there's in there's some real excitement in that bit like a dance that training a bit like a dance training very know. training can be very know. there's of thrills as well there's lots of thrills as well as lows. that took me on a as lows. so that took me on a journey and i ended up getting embedded with an all male infantry battalion. and i spent time training with them and kind of went from being very of went from being a very scared, nervous observer to a full blown , trained participant full blown, trained participant fighting against a rival

battalion. and then to kind of change that completely . i then change that completely. i then spent time at headley court, which the rehabilitation which was the rehabilitation centre, and the royal centre for defence and by that defence medicine, and by that time i'd been time the people i'd been training with on dartmoor and in salisbury they ones salisbury, they were the ones coming back with these what they were calling complex trauma injuries. so multiple injuries, loss of limbs, legs, arms and soldiers were surviving from injuries that they would have died off just a few years earlier. that that circle, that golden hour was getting so good that the army was then also deaung that the army was then also dealing with this kind of knew there was going to be another generation soldiers generation of injured soldiers who would come back into civilian so i made a show civilian life. so i made a show about this, exploring , like the about this, exploring, like the making breaking and putting back together again of soldiers and their also a real their bodies, but also a real insight into their personalities . and when where will this be ene— . and when where will this be are ite— . and when where will this be are its an— . and when where will this be on? it's on this— and when where will this be on? it's on this week. . iii1“ on? it's on this week. it's on werwieh— on? it's on this week. it's on norwich playhouse, it norwich playhouse, and then it goes theatre. royal and goes to bath theatre. royal and blackpool and before blackpool grand. and before we finish, we unfortunately finish, because we unfortunately don't have what do don't have much time, what do you future of the you think of the future of the arts in this climate? you know,

where go arts in this climate? you know, where-ge tren - arts in this climate? you know, where-go from here?- where do we go from here? i think— where do we go from here? i think hearte— where do we go from here? i think people really have to be getting— think people really have to be getting-tint— think people really have to be getting-tired-andj getting a bit tired by now and i think— getting a bit tired by now and i thintleaiw— getting a bit tired by now and i thinklreallyltime- getting a bit tired by now and i think really time to start think it really is time to start to think it really is time to start te tint— think it really is time to start to kind-like— think it really is time to start to kind like together to kind of like group together ant—rt- to kind of like group together ant—rt iitei to kind of like group together. and—i'd like to and speak together. i'd like to teet— and speak together. i'd like to look something like look at something like a conference brings conference that brings people together law and together to look at the law and discrimination and then i'd like to look at toolkits for venues, how to survive this time, and also artists, what to do if also for artists, what to do if this happens you. yes, this happens to you. yes, because it's happening to a lot of people, it? and people of people, isn't it? and people are of people, isn't it? and people teeiing— of people, isn't it? and people are feeling like— of people, isn't it? and people are feeling like they- . .7 and people are feeling like they have to be sent— are feeling like they have to be eiient—thevl are feeling like they have to be. silent—they need silent when they when they need to silent when they when they need te-hnt — silent when they when they need te-hnt that-s- silent when they when they need to-and that's and- to express. and that's and that's and seem to be that's right. and i seem to be sort the agony aunt that's sort of the agony aunt that's kind like, you know, kind of like, you know, listening if listening to people, seeing if they've terrible they've got a really terrible case or pointing them in the case or not pointing them in the right direction for legal advice, it maybe you advice, saying when it maybe you should talk to should go to the press, talk to them ulez should go to the press, talk to them to ulez should go to the press, talk to them to be ulez should go to the press, talk to them to be this ulez should go to the press, talk to them to be this advice ulez should go to the press, talk to them to be this advice centrez seem to be this advice centre because been because they know that i've been through and you can get through it and you can get through it and you can get through it. we've got to get through it. we've got to get through going through this because we're going to and you to lose our best artists and you are actually doing something now. you're creating something. hawe— you're not sitting there and waiiewing— you're not sitting there and wallowing, getting wallowing, you're getting out there— wallowing, you're getting out there-it— wallowing, you're getting out there-it-mean,- wallowing, you're getting out there-it-mean, it. wallowing, you're getting out there it mean, it was there and it was i mean, it was amazing— there and it was i mean, it was amazing listening— there and it was i mean, it was amazing listening to john cleese heee— amazing listening to john cleese heeawet— amazing listening to john cleese becauof-creativity- aware of my own creativity again.—

aware of my own creativity again, because _ aware of my own creativity again, because i was suddenly heee— again, because i was suddenly he i— again, because i was suddenly he i-it— again, because i was suddenly because i-it to— again, because i was suddenly because i-it to be- again, because i was suddenly because i it to be back in because i lost it to be back in the— because i lost it to be back in the-waw— because i lost it to be back in the-vew-te- because i lost it to be back in the-vew-te hel the studio, you know, to be trwettwh— the studio, you know, to be trustful, playful. . trustful, to be playful. it's ahseiwteiv— trustful, to be playful. it's absolutely- i'm . trustful, to be playful. it's absolutely i'm having trustful, to be playful. it's aiblast.tly i'm having trustful, to be playful. it's aiblast. it's i'm having trustful, to be playful. it's aiblast. it's brilliant. m having a blast. it's brilliant. fantastic. k, so fantastic. rosie k, thanks so nweh— fantastic. rosie k, thanks so ehe—- fantastic. rosie k, thanks so much—us today. l much for joining us today. iteaiiv— much for joining us today. teath—that- much for joining us today. really—that .- much for joining us today.- really_that . now, really appreciate that. now, hieaee— really appreciate that. now, hieaee te— really appreciate that. now, please do not— really appreciate that. now, please do not go anywhere. there is please do not go anywhere. there ie a— please do not go anywhere. there ie a iet— please do not go anywhere. there ie a hat nee— please do not go anywhere. there is a lot more to— please do not go anywhere. there is a lot more to come between ant— is a lot more to come between ant gag,— is a lot more to come between now and 9:00, for— is a lot more to come between now and 9:00, for instance, is the— now and 9:00, for instance, is the ete— now and 9:00, for instance, is the modern workplace a hive of itieneeee— the modern workplace a hive of idleness? we're— the modern workplace a hive of idleness? we're going to be tiving— idleness? we're going to be thing-that— idleness? we're going to be diving that with technology diving into that with technology iewrnaiiet— diving into that with technology journalist orlowski . and journalist andrew orlowski. and atee— journalist andrew orlowski. and aiee why— journalist andrew orlowski. and also why- british _ journalist andrew orlowski. and also why british library also why the british library teee— also why the british library teee-neet— also why the british library does need trigger warnings. does not need trigger warnings. we-ve— does not need trigger warnings. we-ve-awther— does not need trigger warnings. we've author academic we've got author and academic iahanna— we've got author and academic iehanna—geing- we've got author and academic johanna _ going to l we've got author and academic johanna going to be johanna williams is going to be here.— johanna williams is going to be hee-get— johanna williams is going to be hee-get a— johanna williams is going to be hee-get a iet— johanna williams is going to be here.-got a lot-say- johanna williams is going to be here. got a lot say on here. she's got a lot to say on the—waw- here. she's got a lot to say on the—yew verv- here. she's got a lot to say on. the _you very shortly the matter. see you very shortly

there's plenty more still to come on free— there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation tenight— come on free speech nation tonight, including working out why— tonight, including working out why heawe— tonight, including working out why heehie ae— tonight, including working out why people are being triggered by then— why people are being triggered by library books— why people are being triggered by library books and hearing some more questions from our wentertwi— some more questions from our wonderful studio— some more questions from our wonderful studio audience. but tinn— wonderful studio audience. but tint-get— wonderful studio audience. but tint-get a— wonderful studio audience. but first,-get a news- wonderful studio audience. but first, get a news update first, let's get a news update tren— first, let's get a news update from _sanchez-

first, let's get a news update from _sanchez .- first, let's get a news update from _sanchez . - first, let's get a news update. from _sanchez . andrew, from tatiana sanchez. andrew, thank— from tatiana sanchez. andrew, thant vea— from tatiana sanchez. andrew, thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the health secretary has urged the royal college of nursing to reconsider their planned industrial action at the end of the month. in a letter to the union's leader this morning, steve barclay the recent steve barclay said the recent pay steve barclay said the recent pay offer is fair and reasonable and the decision to stage a 48 hour strike will put patients at risk. the chs general secretary, pat cullen , has secretary, pat cullen, has criticised the government for refusing to budge on its offer of a 5% pay increase. our members neither- a f our members neither think it is reaeenahie— members neither think it is reasonable or— members neither think it is reasonable or fair. it is a wait— reasonable or fair. it is a ehert tern— reasonable or fair. it is a short term approach that plugs a gap by— short term approach that plugs a gap by giving— short term approach that plugs a gap by giving them a one off what— gap by giving them a one off what thew-ve— gap by giving them a one off what they've described as a he — what they've described as a bonus. that's— what they've described as a bonus. that's certainly not going— bonus. that's certainly not geing te— bonus. that's certainly not going to address the fundamental erieie— going to address the fundamental erieie that— going to address the fundamental crisis that we've— going to address the fundamental crisis that we've got within our nwning— crisis that we've got within our nursing profession or within the the— nursing profession or within the was . — nursing profession or within the was . ine— nursing profession or within the nhs. the labour— nursing profession or within the nhs . 1 nursing profession or within the nhs. the labour party has vowed to end what it describes as a postcode lottery for gp appointments if it wins the next election. the party says up to

three quarters of patients in some parts of england aren't able to see their doctor of choice and only half the number of appointments are held face to face. labour is promising to double the number of doctors trained every year to 15,000 plans to build new smart motorways are being cancelled over safety concerns. cost and low public confidence . the low public confidence. the government has confirmed 14 planned projects have been scrapped and existing structures will be made safer. campaigners are demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart motorways . the british motorways. the british horseracing authority has condemned protesters who delayed the grand national by more than 60 people remain in custody after a total of 118 were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday. and slightly delaying the start of the race. activists from animal rising are calling for jump activists from animal rising are calling forjump racing to be calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at aintree. they've warned further protests will take place

this summer. the bucha says it will be a painstaking analysis to determine what caused the deaths over in the us , four deaths over in the us, four people have been killed and at least 20 injured in a shooting at a teenager's birthday party in alabama. the incident took place last night. it's not yet known what led to the shooting . known what led to the shooting. in a statement on twitter, the governor of alabama said violent crime has no place in our state. and we're staying closely updated by law enforcement as details emerge . and more than details emerge. and more than 6000 members of the armed forces will be taking part in the king's coronation next month. thousands of veterans and nhs workers have also been invited to watch the historic event from a special grandstand in front of buckingham palace. the culture secretary says it's a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is. gb news.

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. so let's get some questions now tren— let's get some questions now tren ew— let's get some questions now from our viewer— let's get some questions now from our viewer emails. our tint— from our viewer emails. our first questions— from our viewer emails. our first questions come in from amy-— first questions come in from my wehe.— first questions come in from amy. hello, amy. amy says is the want— amy. hello, amy. amy says is the grand national— amy. hello, amy. amy says is the grand national a— amy. hello, amy. amy says is the grand national a form of animal erweitve— grand national a form of animal erweitve se— grand national a form of animal erweitve se we — grand national a form of animal cruelty? so we saw— grand national a form of animal cruelty? so we saw that there were over 100 _ cruelty? so we saw that there were over 100 people arrested were over100 people arrested twing— were over100 people arrested twring the— were over 100 people arrested during the disruption of the want— during the disruption of the. erant—ant grand national yesterday, and that— grand national yesterday, and that teiavet— grand national yesterday, and that delayed the— grand national yesterday, and that delayed the start of the .aiee — that delayed the start of the race. - also three - that delayed the start of the race. also three horses, race. and also three horses, eativ— race. and also three horses, eativ tiet— race. and also three horses, sadly died during the course of the raee— sadly died during the course of the se— sadly died during the course of the race. so, diane, where do you— the race. so, diane, where do vew etant— the race. so, diane, where do vew etant en— the race. so, diane, where do you stand on this— the race. so, diane, where do you stand on this one? well it a verv— you stand on this one? well it was a very interesting event heee— was a very interesting event he it— was a very interesting event because it caused a lot of flip tiehhing— because it caused a lot of flip flopping because— because it caused a lot of flip flopping because clearly eveewne— flopping because clearly evervene vew— flopping because clearly everyone you know, at first everyone's going no , no. phi everyone's going no, no. why are they— everyone's going no, no. why are they interrupting the grand national? and they got very, very angry. and then suddenly when it actually got to start , when it actually got to start, the horse falls at the first race and then they erect these privacy screens and everyone says, well, we now know what's

happening . i mean, it doesn't happening. i mean, it doesn't ite— happening. i mean, it doesn't its net— 1“g i mean, it doesn't mean it's not uncommon, though, at the— mean it's not uncommon, though, at the want— mean it's not uncommon, though, at the grand national, it isn't uncommon-mean,- at the grand national, it isn't uncommon. at the grand national, it isn't- uncommon..mean,leven i would uncommon. i mean, i even i would think that maybe could get think that maybe could we get like the people who go like some of the people who go to run it, like maybe the ladies in hats have to do a lap. in the hats have to do a lap. they have to jump over beeches brook. i mean, it would be amazing you're only amazing like and you're only allowed heels allowed to carry your heels after the three fences. i after the first three fences. i suspect they wouldn't do �*7 f i suspect they wouldn't do it arter— suspect they wouldn't do it after-broken - suspect they wouldn't do it. after-broken.ankle . after you've broken an ankle. wetn— after you've broken an ankle. war, thie— after you've broken an ankle. war, thie ie— after you've broken an ankle. well, this is.so,- after you've broken an ankle. well, this is.so, i- after you've broken an ankle. well, this is so, i mean, well, this is it. so, i mean, hrwee— well, this is it. so, i mean, hrwee .— well, this is it. so, i mean, hrwee . thie— well, this is it. so, i mean, bruce , this is— well, this is it. so, i mean, bruce , this is difficult. but bruce, this is difficult. but new—whenl bruce, this is difficult. but. now—when the now when the start when the there— now when the start when the there-teiav- now when the start when the there - delay and - now when the start when the there delay and all the there was this delay and all the hreteeten—a- there was this delay and all the protesters—a loti protesters were there and a lot of protesters were there and a lot at the— protesters were there and a lot at the hearte— protesters were there and a lot at the heehie at— protesters were there and a lot of the people at race were of the people at the race were eart— of the people at the race were sort-complaining- of the people at the race were sort complaining saying, sort of complaining and saying, wetn— well, look, these protesters ten-t— well, look, these protesters don't we don't understand how much we have— don't understand how much we have-ter— don't understand how much we have-tar the- don't understand how much we love _for the horses. don't understand how much we love for the horses and love and care for the horses and all love and care for the horses and at the— love and care for the horses and at the net— love and care for the horses and all the rest of— love and care for the horses and all the rest of it.— love and care for the horses and all the rest of it. and then witinateiv— all the rest of it. and then. ultimately-fatalities. ultimately there are fatalities. so ultimately there are fatalities. see—he - ultimately there are fatalities. see—he yethl so it's a difficult one. yeah i it— so it's a difficult one. yeah i it ie— so it's a difficult one. yeah i it ie. — so it's a difficult one. yeah i mean, it is. i— so it's a difficult one. yeah i mean, it is. 1“ so it's a difficult one. yeah i mean, it is. 1“ f 1“ so it's a difficult one. yeah i mean, it is. itp“ mean, it is. i mean, you can be kept very, very well, but then there is a high likelihood that you're to so, mean, you're going to die. so, i mean, is okay ? if you see what is that okay? if you see what i mean. well, that's but that's the— mean. well, that's but that's the gweetian.— mean. well, that's but that's the question, isn't— 1“ well, that's but that's the question, isn't it? mean, the question, isn't it? i mean, is the question, isn't it? i mean, ie-wav— the question, isn't it? i mean, ie-wav thew- the question, isn't it? i mean, is-way they could- is there a way they could herhahe— is there a way they could perhaps-this,- is there a way they could- perhaps-this, maybe perhaps mitigate this, maybe eawit—the- perhaps mitigate this, maybe- could _the fences? could they not lower the fences? tight. — could they not lower the fences? tight. _ta- could they not lower the fences? tight—ta than l right. could they not do that? well, that's actually a well, no, that's actually a

serious suggestion. why not have i'm serious suggestion. why not have in -ehete— serious suggestion. why not have i-n-eheteli— serious suggestion. why not have i'm _spoke .i can't- i'm sure i spoke to i can't remember-was- i'm sure i spoke to i can't remember was that i'm sure i spoke to i can't- remember-was that went to remember who it was that went to hear— remember who it was that went to hear ahawt— remember who it was that went to hear ahewt ant— remember who it was that went to hear about and some of the jumps had hear about and some of the jumpsj hat—ehviewsiv. had been lowered. but obviously, you fatalities you hear about these fatalities all and it's a shame. all the time. and it's a shame. you know, horses have you know, the horses have done nothing apparently you know, the horses have done nothira apparently you know, the horses have done nothira life apparently you know, the horses have done nothira life and parently you know, the horses have done nothira life and thenitly enjoy a good life and then suddenly the price they've got to first to pay is falling at the first hurdle, which i now understand what that yes it's an what that means. yes it's an interesting idiom,— what that means. yes it's an interesting idiom, that- v/iit: it's an interesting idiom, that one. het-e— interesting idiom, that one. nets-en— interesting idiom, that one. let's-onlanotherl let's move on to another gweetian.— let's move on to another. gweetian—eaw let's move on to another- gweetien—eaw by question. oh, i should say, by the— question. oh, i should say, by the-that— question. oh, i should say, by the -that there - question. oh, i should say, by the that there was the way, that there was a etatenent— the way, that there was a statement-by- the way, that there was a statement by the the way, that there was a- statement-by the british statement issued by the british hritieh— british racing authority, and thew— british racing authority, and. thew—with they said, our thoughts are with eveewne— they said, our thoughts are with evewene—te- they said, our thoughts are with everyone _to the - they said, our thoughts are with everyone to the horses everyone connected to the horses whe— everyone connected to the horses wheiweeh— everyone connected to the horses wheiweeh-wiii- everyone connected to the horses who|week, _will be - everyone connected to the horses who week, will be more this week, no one will be more atteetet— this week, no one will be more affected than— this week, no one will be more affected than the— this week, no one will be more affected than the trainers, owners and stable staff who have hrevitet— owners and stable staff who have provided-horses— owners and stable staff who have provided horses with first provided these horses with first eiaee— provided these horses with first eiaee-hweha— provided these horses with first class - bucha and - class care. the bucha and were— class care. the bucha and aintree racecourse will now anaivee— aintree racecourse will now anaivee-in- aintree racecourse will now- analyse-in painstaking analyse the races in painstaking tetaih— analyse the races in painstaking tetaii. he— analyse the races in painstaking tetaii. he ie— analyse the races in painstaking detail. as is the— analyse the races in painstaking detail. as is the case every wear— detail. as is the case every vear .— detail. as is the case every vear . ie— detail. as is the case every vear . ie neth— detail. as is the case every year . to help us- detail. as is the case every year. to help us understand detail. as is the case every year . to help us understand what year. to help us understand what eaweet— year. to help us understand what eaweet theee— year. to help us understand what caused these incidents. okay wetn— caused these incidents. okay wen, i— caused these incidents. okay well, i think— caused these incidents. okay well, i think we— caused these incidents. okay well, i think we know what eaweet— well, i think we know what eaweet the— well, i think we know what caused the incidents . it's the caused the incidents. it's the big— caused the incidents. it's the hig high— caused the incidents. it's the big high fences— caused the incidents. it's the big high fences that they had to jump— big high fences that they had to twee-whats— big high fences that they had to twee-whats the- big high fences that they had to jump over. what's the analysis, though? 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bruce. let's move on to another questgeorgia. one's come in bruce. let's move on to another questgeorgia. georgiaome in bruce. let's move on to another questgeorgia. georgia has in bruce. let's move on to another questgeorgia. georgia has said from georgia. georgia has said is from georgia. georgia has said ie-weian— from georgia. georgia has said ie-weian a— from georgia. georgia has said is- nolan a sex- from georgia. georgia has said is nolan a sex pest? what is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i—gwite— is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i—gwite an- is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i_quite an extreme. is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of quite an extreme is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of putting quite an extreme is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of putting it.te an extreme is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of putting it. butn extreme is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of putting it. but georgiale way of putting it. but georgia anyway— way of putting it. but georgia anyway ,— way of putting it. but georgia anyway , nas— way of putting it. but georgia anyway , nnn n— way of putting it. but georgia anyway , this is because of loose anyway, this is because of loose women— anyway, this is because of loose women ann— anyway, this is because of loose women this week. _ anyway, this is because of loose women this week. they've been named— women this week. they've been slammed-making— women this week. they've been slammed making creepy slammed for making creepy reman— slammed for making creepy remarks-towie- slammed for making creepy remarks towie star mark remarks to towie star mark wnana. — remarks to towie star mark wright. what's— remarks to towie star mark wright. what's zahawi? does nyn— wright. what's zahawi? does anyne know— wright. what's zahawi? does anyone know ? _ wright. what's zahawi? does anyone know ? anyone know? the only way is essex nnaa-s— anyone know? the only way is essex. that's it.— anyone know? the only way is essex. that's it. i— anyone know? the only way is essex. that's it. i watch- anyone know? sscx that's it. i watch it all essex. that's it. i watch it all ane— essex. that's it. i watch it all ans wnn— essex. that's it. i watch it all ans fine and— essex. that's it. i watch it all the time and mark,- six that's it. i watch it all the time and mark, apparently during— the time and mark, apparently during-interview- the time and mark, apparently during interview mark during this interview mark wanna— during this interview mark wngnn wa— during this interview mark wright was asked if he could sans— wright was asked if he could strip on— wright was asked if he could strip off-this— wright was asked if he could strip off this had come from strip off and this had come from canen— strip off and this had come from canen nolan.— strip off and this had come from coleen nolan. i— strip off and this had come from coleen nolan. i think it was a joke. — coleen nolan. i think it was a jawe- wnaa— coleen nolan. i think it was a yawn. wnaa aa— coleen nolan. i think it was a joke. what do you— coleen nolan. i think it was a joke. what do you think, bruce ? joke. what do you think, bruce? i'm joke. what do you think, bruce? w-n yes— joke. what do you think, bruce? w-n yes ,— joke. what do you think, bruce? w-n yes, .— joke. what do you think, bruce? w-n yes, a anne— joke. what do you think, bruce? i'm yes , i think it— joke. what do you think, bruce? i'm yes , i think it was a joke i'm yes, i think it was a joke because— i'm yes, i think it was a joke because when— i'm yes, i think it was a joke because when he— i'm yes, i think it was a joke because when he walked on kaye adams— because when he walked on kaye adams ease— because when he walked on kaye adams, close personal friend , adams, close personal friend, an— adams, close personal friend, an nee— adams, close personal friend, m not really— adams, close personal friend, i'm not really actually just sneaked— i'm not really actually just sneaked an— i'm not really actually just shocked in the— i'm not really actually just shocked in the same supermarket. i'm shocked in the same supermarket. w-n eeanaaana— shocked in the same supermarket. i'm poundland. i'm— shocked in the same supermarket. i'm poundland. i'm she— shocked in the same supermarket. i'm poundland. i'm she when- shocked in the same supermarket. i'm poundland. i'm she when he'd come on she says, is that a hint of a bicep or a tricep or a quad shepherd as you can tell, i'm not very. i mean, i do turn up. i don't do anything. however it was calling that he'd say, no. what what he'd said that he what what he'd said was that he has problem with nudity. he has no problem with nudity. he doesn't like doing it front doesn't like doing it in front of or his sister. of his mother or his sister. fair enough. i'm because he was nearly i don't

nearly a footballer. i don't know actually means know whether it actually means he's no problem going around. and always naked in and he said i'm always naked in the drying and the gym drying my hair. and coleen is the coleen nolan said, where is the gym ? so that's so i think gym? so that's okay. so i think that was a joke. however and that was a joke. however for and i the loose ladies. i am i love the loose ladies. i am a loose but how would that loose lady, but how would that have been if that was a male panel woman? so there's panel with a woman? so there's the diane. let's the question, diane. let's reverse the genders- the question, diane. let's- reverse the genders _yes. reverse the genders here. yes. wow,— reverse the genders here. yes. new-as— reverse the genders here. yes. new-as an— now, i think it is an interesting- now, i think it is an interesting now, i saw interesting question. now, i saw enae— interesting question. now, i saw that-thought— interesting question. now, i saw that-thought it's— interesting question. now, i saw that thought it's just a bit that and thought it's just a bit of that and thought it's just a bit as nannaess— that and thought it's just a bit of harmless fun.— that and thought it's just a bit of harmless fun. and think of harmless fun. and i think caseen— coleen nolan hasn't done anything— coleen nolan hasn't done anything wrong. and i don't know why anything wrong. and i don't know wny—ansee- anything wrong. and i don't know wny—ansee anewe- anything wrong. and i don't know thut_upset about. anything wrong. and i don't know wh but then upset about anything wrong. and i don't know wh but then bruce upset about anything wrong. and i don't know thut then bruce isnset about anything wrong. and i don't know thut then bruce is putabout anything wrong. and i don't know thut then bruce is put veryt it. but then bruce is put very interesting— it. but then bruce is put very interesting thought experiment nee.— interesting thought experiment nee-wowe— interesting thought experiment here. _would . do - interesting thought experiment here.-would.do if- interesting thought experiment here. would do if this here. what would we do if this guy,— here. what would we do if this any, nann— here. what would we do if this guy, was was— here. what would we do if this guy, was a— here. what would we do if this guy, mark was a woman and they were—yea- guy, mark was a woman and theyi _weneyaa nave were men? yeah, well, you have to imagine that. so you've to just imagine that. so you've got this woman saying, got this young woman saying, yes, i like exercising. i like looking . i will get naked at the looking. i will get naked at the gym . and then these four blokes gym. and then these four blokes 9°, gym. and then these four blokes go, what gym is it that does feel more sinister, though, doesn't it? and but, but, but anen— doesn't it? and but, but, but enen eee-s— doesn't it? and but, but, but then let's let's— doesn't it? and but, but, but then let's let's face- : c fl and but, but, but then let's let's face reality, though— then let's let's face reality, eneaen ,— then let's let's face reality, anewgn , ef— then let's let's face reality, though , of course, when it comes though, of course, when it comes to though, of course, when it comes so senat— though, of course, when it comes to sexual predation— though, of course, when it comes to sexual predation , women are to sexual predation, women are far to sexual predation, women are fan nee— to sexual predation, women are fan ae— to sexual predation, women are far more at risk— to sexual predation, women are

far more at risk than men are. and— far more at risk than men are. and enae— far more at risk than men are. and that changes— far more at risk than men are. and that changes the context , and that changes the context, aeesn-e— and that changes the context, aeesn-e we — and that changes the context, doesn't it? it— and that changes the context, doesn't it? c fg doesn't it? it changes the context slightly. i mean, my husband watches loose women when he's gym because it makes he's in the gym because it makes the sexism him so angry . the sexism makes him so angry. he actually more weights. he actually lifts more weights. so we benefit. so you're so we all benefit. so you're saying this is sexism against men? is what you mean ? men? is that what you mean? some— men? is that what you mean? same of— men? is that what you mean? same of n— men? is that what you mean? same of w an— men? is that what you mean? some of it can be— men? is that what you mean? some of it can be because if you reversed it's not fair. and reversed it, it's not fair. and if truly want sort of gender if you truly want sort of gender equality , shouldn't people be equality, shouldn't people be treating each other? the way they want to be treated? but there is a difference because in terms of sex, broadly speaking , terms of sex, broadly speaking, and i mean broadly speaking about sort of the heterosexual experience , forgive my to quote experience, forgive my to quote people here, the homophobia on this channel is outrageous. i was at the hands of it last night — was at the hands of it last wens. again— was at the hands of it last night. again, it's out of eenean — night. again, it's out of control. it's— night. again, it's out of control. it's too much . the man control. it's too much. the man is control. it's too much. the man as aways— control. it's too much. the man as aways sne— control. it's too much. the man is always the one— control. it's too much. the man is always the one who has to infiltrate— is always the one who has to infiltrate the _ is always the one who has to infiltrate the woman's body, une— infiltrate the woman's body, like literally— infiltrate the woman's body, like literally invade your nsae — like literally invade your nsae okay.- like literally invade your space. ' z like literally invade your- space. okay. and that always happens during sex when it's a sort of a heterosexual coupling . which is why when a woman sort of makes the cheeky remarks ,

of makes the cheeky remarks, yes, she is trying to envelop him . i don't know. i am i am i him. i don't know. i am i am i am i him. i don't know. i am i am i an . being— him. i don't know. i am i am i am i being sexist— him. i don't know. i am i am i am i being sexist by- " in?» c i am i am i am i being sexist by saying enaee— am i being sexist by saying enaee w— am i being sexist by saying that? | think— am i being sexist by saying that? i think it's worse when a man makes a sexist comment to a anan— man makes a sexist comment to a enan wnen— man makes a sexist comment to a woman than when a— man makes a sexist comment to a woman than when a woman says it to woman than when a woman says it so a— woman than when a woman says it so a man— woman than when a woman says it so a an— woman than when a woman says it so a ann i— woman than when a woman says it to a man. am i being— woman than when a woman says it to a man. am i being sexist anenee— to a man. am i being sexist anenee — to a man. am i being sexist anenee n..— to a man. am i being sexist there? i'm not— to a man. am i being sexist there? i'm not sure- to a man. am i being sexist there? ”n5.2; �*" to a man. am i being sexist there? i'm not sure if you are being sexist or not. i mean, you've definitely shown a preference there. well, it's just that i think that it's more threatening is what i mean to a woman. men are generally and again, broadly speaking, they're generally bigger and stronger. that's what i mean. women. so yeah, that whole predatory sense comes into play. but does that mean that therefore then women have go get it out? have the right to go get it out? like no . yeah, why don't they? like no. yeah, why don't they? anaes— like no. yeah, why don't they? nnas-s sne— like no. yeah, why don't they? that's the whole— like no. yeah, why don't they? that's the whole thing. - like no. yeah, why don't they? that's the whole thing. i- like no. yeah, why don't they? g i don't that's the whole thing. i don't think carl is a sex post- that's the whole thing. i don't think carl is a sex post at- g i don't think carl is a sex post at all, you— think carl is a sex post at all, you knew.— think carl is a sex post at all, you know and— think carl is a sex post at all, you know, and i— think carl is a sex post at all, you know, and i don't think he is you know, and i don't think he as ennen — you know, and i don't think he as ennen .— you know, and i don't think he is either. i think— you know, and i don't think he is either. " is either. i think colin's committed worse crimes. i've seen some of her nortje red carpet looks not but i carpet looks not great, but i just think it was all a bit. but it just is, you know, all a bit of fun and nonsense and all that

kind of stuff. but it would be interesting if it a that interesting if it was a man that had that to her. well, had said that to her. well, let's move onlanotherl let's move on to another question— let's move on to another question now.- let's move on to another question now. this one came in non— question now. this one came in nan-ana— question now. this one came in nan-and jenn— question now. this one came in from and john says, our from john, and john says, our feesnau—enl football boots sexist. so on the sane-meme.— football boots sexist. so on the same _theme, this- football boots sexist. so on the same theme, this is. same sort of theme, this is. wen.— same sort of theme, this is. wean-ef— same sort of theme, this is. well,-of sports- well, a group of sports scientists— well, a group of sports- scientists—these scientists have raised these questions—em questions over the lack of nonsen— questions over the lack ofi provision _ boots provision of football boots designed— provision of football boots- designed _women designed specifically for women and—puttingl and how that could be puttingi women—increased women players at an increased risk— women players at an increased risk as— women players at an increased risk of injuries— women players at an increased risk of injuries .— women players at an increased risk of injuries . what do you risk of injuries. what do you anne— risk of injuries. what do you think about— risk of injuries. what do you think about this,— risk of injuries. what do you think about this, diane ? think about this, diane? i assaauy— think about this, diane? i aesaauy no— think about this, diane? i actually no, i— think about this, diane? i actually no, i don't- think about this, diane? i actually no, i don't think football boots are sexist, but i think this brilliant story think this is a brilliant story because it highlights that there's been a progression and that women's sports are at that level now where people are saying, well, actually the saying, well, no, actually the equipment is equipment that they've got is not suitable specifically for their . yes. and it their physiology. yes. and it means that we're getting more money into women's sports. it means that they're getting more sponsorship, they're getting more actually more interest. it's actually a really progressive really positive progressive story. yes. because it means that the largest sports science community paying attention community are paying attention to and saying , to women athletes and saying, how can we really push them into that bracket? love this. that elite bracket? i love this. that's interesting way of that's an interesting way of thinking it's positive thinking it. it's a positive thing— thinking it. it's a positive

snina-vean- thinking it. it's a positive thing yeah, we were thing to spin. yeah, we were discussing mean, do discussing that. i mean, i do think they're against think they're sexist against women nice women because women like a nice shoe. let's face it, that's shoe. and let's face it, that's just line. but kyiv just the bottom line. but kyiv mentioned about a women's physicality and your arches are a bit higher and all that kind of stuff. so no, i think it's a good thing as well. okay. well, we've good thing as well. okay. well, gos— good thing as well. okay. well, got one— good thing as well. okay. well, we've got one more— g: g okay. well, we've got one more question for sns— we've got one more question for sns-tns— we've got one more question for this-thislfrom- we've got one more question for this this from emma. this section. this is from emma. was—sewe- this section. this is from emma. was—sexye weui was charles dickens sexy? well sns— was charles dickens sexy? well we is— was charles dickens sexy? well we is an— was charles dickens sexy? well this is an interesting question because— this is an interesting question because sns— this is an interesting question because this is— this is an interesting question because this is about the bbc's latest— because this is about the bbc's latest adaptation— because this is about the bbc's latest adaptation of great expectations— latest adaptation of great expectations stations. the show nas— expectations stations. the show nas seen— expectations stations. the show has been savaged— expectations stations. the show has been savaged for what they sau— has been savaged for what they call gratuitous— has been savaged for what they call gratuitous sex— has been savaged for what they call gratuitous sex scenes and fow— call gratuitous sex scenes and sow i.....ge._ call gratuitous sex scenes and foul language. i— call gratuitous sex scenes and foul language. i don't remember snat— foul language. i don't remember snas being— foul language. i don't remember snas being in— foul language. i don't remember that being in the— foul language. i don't remember that being in the novel, but n-s— that being in the novel, but its been— that being in the novel, but its been a— that being in the novel, but it's been a while since i've read— it's been a while since i've read is.— it's been a while since i've read is. nas— it's been a while since i've read it. but despite being panned— read it. but despite being panneo ny— read it. but despite being panned by some critics, some viewers, are they— panned by some critics, some viewers, are they love it. tney-ne— viewers, are they love it. they're absolutely it. they're absolutely loving it. have— they're absolutely loving it. nave-any- they're absolutely loving it. nave-any of- they're absolutely loving it. have-any of this. they're absolutely loving it.- have-any of this one, have you seen any of this one, unnee— have you seen any of this one, manee — have you seen any of this one, manee 0h,— have you seen any of this one, diane? oh, no,— have you seen any of this one, diane? oh, no, i'm- have you seen any of this one, diane? jg diane? oh, no, i'm not a big favourite i'm more of favourite. i'm a bit more of a sci person, but let's just be sci fi person, but let's just be fair. wait minute. it's an fair. wait a minute. it's an adaptation and when you adapt adaptation an and when you adapt something , you're allowed do something, you're allowed to do whatever can do whatever you like. you can do whatever you like. you can do what you want, can't you? you can do great expectations with just playing just dogs. just dogs playing all the different characters. i'd watch you could do

watch that. right? you could do whatever you like. you can have them it on roller skates. them do it on roller skates. it's adaptation. want it's an adaptation. if you want to sexy dickens, go for it's an adaptation. if you want to artistic sexy dickens, go for it's an adaptation. if you want to artistic freedom. iis, go for it's an adaptation. if you want to artistic freedom. i mean,or it. artistic freedom. i mean, there are all sorts- it. artistic freedom. i mean, there are all sorts of- e ' x i mean, there are all sorts of sexy film versions-stories,- versions of various stories, aen-s— versions of various stories, anene-e — versions of various stories, anene-e ana- versions of various stories, aren't-? and in- versions of various stories, aren't 7 , .. versions of various stories,- aren't-? and in the theatre aren't there? and in the theatre all time, like the worst all the time, like the worst play, think was an play, i think i ever saw was an adaptation of king lear, where they dressed in baby they were all dressed in baby rompers and it was set in a nursery. me and oh my god . i nursery. me and oh my god. i mean, that does sound absolutely sennwe. — mean, that does sound absolutely sense is— mean, that does sound absolutely terrible. it was— mean, that does sound absolutely terrible. it was appalling. enaee— terrible. it was appalling. bruce _think- terrible. it was appalling. - bruce-think-artistic bruce do you think that artistic neeoon— bruce do you think that artistic freedom-far?- bruce do you think that artistic freedom _far? do - bruce do you think that artistic freedom far? do you freedom goes too far? do you anne— freedom goes too far? do you think—just- think people are just being nansss— think people are just being purists-comes- think people are just being purists comes to think people are just being- purists-comes to dickens purists when it comes to dickens ano— purists when it comes to dickens and—nas— purists when it comes to dickens and—nus .— purists when it comes to dickens and—but i remember. and possibly. but i remember there that gwyneth there was a film that gwyneth paltrow lost half a day's paltrow who lost half a day's skiing. have we have to skiing. we have to we have to bear that in mind. she was in and it was anne bancroft . she and it was anne bancroft. she was miss havisham. and that film, it was cinematically beautiful and whatever and was trashed because of a line between gwyneth. and it was when they were having a horizontal refreshment of your catch. my drift? yes. and she'd said something fairly profane that was because we kind was unnecessary because we kind of was going on. even of knew what was going on. even if you're not into that side of life, your

life, i don't know your arrangements, know, arrangements, but, you know, completely up to you. but i just think know, don't think you know, you don't necessarily sex it up to necessarily have to sex it up to make you know, make it any different, you know, could been set in could this have been set in poundland? have poundland? could dickens have been played coleen nolan? been played by coleen nolan? these the questions. these these are the questions. these are the questions we're- are the questions we're answenne— are the questions we're answering the important answering all the important questions— answering all the important - questions—speech questions tonight on free speech wanon. — nation. but we've got one more non— nation. but we've got one more now from helen— nation. but we've got one more now from helen and helen wants to know— now from helen and helen wants to know was— now from helen and helen wants to know what percentage of women nave— to know what percentage of women nave penises— to know what percentage of women have penises and— to know what percentage of women have penises and no,— to know what percentage of women have penises and no, this is because— have penises and no, this is because of— have penises and no, this is because of rishi _ have penises and no, this is because of rishi sunak . the because of rishi sunak. the nine— because of rishi sunak. the prime minister— because of rishi sunak. the prime minister has declared that oo— prime minister has declared that no nos— prime minister has declared that women do not have penises. this isloneoina— women do not have penises. this isloneoina ow— women do not have penises. this is ongoing row that's been is an ongoing row that's been going— is an ongoing row that's been going — is an ongoing row that's been going ani— is an ongoing row that's been going on. and he— is an ongoing row that's been going on. and he was speaking wiin— going on. and he was speaking win a— going on. and he was speaking with a conservative home weisiie— with a conservative home website. this— with a conservative home website. this was on thursday . website. this was on thursday. vie-we— website. this was on thursday. vie-we nai— website. this was on thursday. we've had keir— website. this was on thursday. we've had keir starmer has weignei— we've had keir starmer has weignei in— we've had keir starmer has weighed in and— we've had keir starmer has weighed in and said that he ininns— weighed in and said that he thinks 99.9%_ weighed in and said that he thinks 99.9% of— weighed in and said that he thinks 99.9% of women haven't got thinks 99.9% of women haven't goi a— thinks 99.9% of women haven't goi a penis— thinks 99.9% of women haven't goi a penis .— thinks 99.9% of women haven't goi a penis. ne— thinks 99.9% of women haven't got a penis. he used to say 99. so got a penis. he used to say 99. so is— got a penis. he used to say 99. so is moving— got a penis. he used to say 99. so it's moving in— got a penis. he used to say 99. so it's moving in that direction.— so it's moving in that direction. why are they . what? direction. why are they. what? inis— direction. why are they. what? inislneaiiy— direction. why are they. what? this-really silly— direction. why are they. what? this-really silly ,— direction. why are they. what? this really silly , isn't it? this is really silly, isn't it? now.— this is really silly, isn't it? now. ai— this is really silly, isn't it? now, at this— this is really silly, isn't it? now, at this point i have a penis— now, at this point i have a penis nai— now, at this point i have a penis, but it's— now, at this point i have a penis, but it's attached to my nasnani— penis, but it's attached to my nasnani .— penis, but it's attached to my husband . interesting. do you husband. interesting. do you ininke— husband. interesting. do you ininke iook— husband. interesting. do you think? look diane, is there a worry— think? look diane, is there a wony wnen— think? look diane, is there a wony wnen we— think? look diane, is there a worry when we have politicians sawing— worry when we have politicians iaining anoai— worry when we have politicians talking about these kind of

issues , when— talking about these kind of issues , when they're failing to issues, when they're failing to insi— issues, when they're failing to iasi say— issues, when they're failing to iasi say wnai— issues, when they're failing to just say what we— issues, when they're failing to just say what we all know to be nae.— just say what we all know to be one. inai— just say what we all know to be true, that there _ just say what we all know to be true, that there are— just say what we all know to be true, that there are two sexes, inene-s— true, that there are two sexes, inene-s nen— true, that there are two sexes, there's men and— true, that there are two sexes, there's men and there's women ani— there's men and there's women and women don't— there's men and there's women and women don't have penises? nhg— and women don't have penises? inai—a— and women don't have penises? that—a controversy| and women don't have penises? tpartial a controversy and women don't have penises? tpartial claim, a controversy and women don't have penises? tpartial claim, althoughroversy and women don't have penises? tpartial claim, although iversy and women don't have penises? tpartial claim, although i know . partial claim, although i know inas— . partial claim, although i know inai one— . partial claim, although i know that one australian news that one of the australian news oaiieis—inis- that one of the australian news outlets—this was. outlets claimed that this was a noisi— outlets claimed that this was a now-ny— outlets claimed that this was a noii-ny ieisni — outlets claimed that this was a. bold-by rishi _which bold claim by rishi sunak, which i bold claim by rishi sunak, which i—niianoas - bold claim by rishi sunak, which i_hilarious. it's- i thought was hilarious. it's soneining— i thought was hilarious. it's something-four. i thought was hilarious. it's. something-four year i thought was hilarious. it's. son knows _four year i thought was hilarious. it's son knows well four year i thought was hilarious. it's son knows well . four year i thought was hilarious. it's son knows well . \oi2ieour year i thought was hilarious. it's son knows well . \oi2i f can old knows well. not necessarily. okay, not anymore. because education is the wild west. i think that i mean, it's very odd because they are the lawmakers and this is where it becomes tncky. and this is where it becomes tricky . the lawmakers appear to tricky. the lawmakers appear to be listening to a very small vocal minority that are on twitter and are sort of permanently saying this is and causing all of this furore or causing all of this furore or causing divide and division. and if the lawmakers workers start to think that they need to kowtow and sort of bend to this like group of people making all this noise, it starts to become very dangerous. no, i'm i'll be honest with you. if you're going to start eroding what a woman is

like, they never had a problem with what a woman was when we weren't allowed to do things, with what a woman was when we werenwe llowed to do things, with what a woman was when we werenwe weren't:o do things, with what a woman was when we werenwe weren't allowedigs, with what a woman was when we werenwe weren't allowed to ., with what a woman was when we werenwe weren't allowed to vote when we weren't allowed to vote . you knew what a woman . you knew exactly what a woman was . when we weren't allowed to was. when we weren't allowed to drive, exactly drive, you knew exactly what a woman but we've got all woman was. but now we've got all these i'm not sure these things and i'm not sure what a is. now we've what a woman is. and now we've got sports teams. i'm got our own sports teams. i'm not what woman is. not sure what a woman is. right? so and of course, the spons— right? so and of course, the snons ieans— right? so and of course, the sports teams were divided sex sports teams were divided by sex iniiiaiiy—soi initially so that women could so inai— initially so that women could so inai we— initially so that women could so inai we sowi— initially so that women could so that we could fairly compete wiin — — that we could fairly compete wiin — ana - that we could fairly compete. with _ and .could with each other. and we could train could get train hard and we could get trophies and sponsorship and do train hard and we could get tr0|thoseand sponsorship and do train hard and we could get tr0|those thingsynsorship and do train hard and we could get tr0|those things thatship and do train hard and we could get tr0|those things that we» and do train hard and we could get tr0|those things that we always) all those things that we always wanted were wanted to do. but we were excluded weren't men. excluded because we weren't men. yeah. these are important yeah. so these are important issues-bruce- yeah. so these are important issues bruce listen , all issues then. bruce listen, all evidence— issues then. bruce listen, all evidence io— issues then. bruce listen, all evidence to the— issues then. bruce listen, all evidence to the contrary . evidence to the contrary. i'm not— evidence to the contrary. i'm not interested _ evidence to the contrary. i'm not interested in— evidence to the contrary. i'm not interested in penises and i don't care if they are attached to a man or a woman. okay well, no, from me, it's a no from bruce. one time for one more gaesiion— bruce. one time for one more gaesiion. i— bruce. one time for one more question. i think— f one time for one more question. i think this is from seoii. — question. i think this is from seoii. _says— question. i think this is from scott. says, should meghan scott. scott says, should meghan be scott. scott says, should meghan ne—king-s- be attending the king's coronation— be attending the king's coronation open now? i do find i get coronation open now? i do find i gei a— coronation open now? i do find i gei a iii— coronation open now? i do find i gei a bi sies— coronation open now? i do find i get a bit sick of— coronation open now? i do find i get a bit sick of all— coronation open now? i do find i get a bit sick of all this because— get a bit sick of all this because i— get a bit sick of all this because i don't really care wneinen— because i don't really care whether she— because i don't really care whether she goes to the party or not — whether she goes to the party or not no. — whether she goes to the party or not no. i— whether she goes to the party or not no. i ion-i— whether she goes to the party or not. no, i don't think she does eiinen — not. no, i don't think she does eiinen we.— not. no, i don't think she does either. no, she's— not. no, i don't think she does either. \i2i : not. no, i don't think she does-

either. no, she's made-money either. no, she's made her money now. she wanted. now. she's got what she wanted. do you that's what this do you think that's what this has yeah, she's has been about? yeah, she's ruined she's ruined her family. she's got a husband. her own husband. she's got her own family. to plenty family. she seems to have plenty of apparently of money. and apparently she's bringing back the price is right. right? apparently right. is that right? apparently did. know if that's a did. i don't know if that's a hawk. you have dreamt hawk. you might have dreamt that. don't. don't that. no, i don't. i don't sleep. so sleep. that's the thing. so we're lot about me we're learning a lot about me tonight. no, apparently deal or no deal? oh, she's meant to be bringing back deal or no deal? oh no . in america, there's more oh no. in america, there's more money in america , so we can't. money in america, so we can't. the thing is , i just get. but- the thing is , i just get. but we the thing is, i just get. but we can-i— the thing is, i just get. but we ean-i esaen— the thing is, i just get. but we can't escape her— the thing is, i just get. but we can't escape her like this. this siony— can't escape her like this. this news story-been- can't escape her like this. this news story been over the news story has been all over the press—au— news story has been all over the press—aw week- news story has been all over the press _all week this. press for weeks. all week this week— press for weeks. all week this week .— press for weeks. all week this week . ani— press for weeks. all week this week . and .just- press for weeks. all week this week . and just thinking i'm week. and i'm just thinking i'm nones— week. and i'm just thinking i'm bored . — week. and i'm just thinking i'm bones. _that— week. and i'm just thinking i'm bored . _that is- week. and i'm just thinking i'm bored. _that is fair- week. and i'm just thinking i'm l bored . _that is fair enough bored. well, that is fair enough . i mean, i think it's good that she's not because it she's not coming because it would hypocritical if she did would be hypocritical if she did if she did up , would be hypocritical if she did if she did up, you can't if she did turn up, you can't say, the royal family is say, oh, the royal family is terrible. go and sit terrible. yes, i will go and sit and do the thing. yeah all what i'd read. i can't remember- a�*i: i:i2i g 423" all what i'd read. i can't remember which naniieaiion— i'd read. i can't remember which naniieaiion ii— i'd read. i can't remember which publication it was. _ i'd read. i can't remember which publication it was. a lot of neonie— publication it was. a lot of neonie ae— publication it was. a lot of people are saying considering, vou— people are saying considering, yon—inink- people are saying considering,j yon—inink nai you know, charles, i think had waikei— you know, charles, i think had waikei nei— you know, charles, i think had walked her down— you know, charles, i think had walked her down the aisle and, you— walked her down the aisle and, yon-nei— walked her down the aisle and, yon-neei none- walked her down the aisle and, you-he'd done-to. you know, he'd done a lot to embrace—

you know, he'd done a lot to embrace-the- you know, he'd done a lot to embrace the family and embrace her into the family and all embrace her into the family and aii—siaii— all this kind of stuff that maybe— all this kind of stuff that maybe .would- all this kind of stuff that maybe would a nice all this kind of stuff that- maybe .wouldia nice way maybe that would be a nice way of maybe that would be a nice way oi saying— maybe that would be a nice way of inying io— maybe that would be a nice way of trying to healing the rift of wasning— of trying to healing the rift of washing-linen- washing her dirty linen in swine.— washing her dirty linen in public—wind washing her dirty linen in. public._going to washing her dirty linen in- public._going to be public. i think it's going to be a inieky— public. i think it's going to be a inieky one— public. i think it's going to be a tricky one, isn't— public. i think it's going to be a tricky one, isn't it, at this points— a tricky one, isn't it, at this noinilneai— a tricky one, isn't it, at this point,.heal-rift?- a tricky one, isn't it, at this point,.heal-rift? . a tricky one, isn't it, at this point, heal rift? e point, to heal this rift? it's got— point, to heal this rift? it's gas-so.— point, to heal this rift? it's got. be. - broken - point, to heal this rift? it's got. be.-broken now,| got to be. it's broken now, surely. but equally, if surely. yeah. but equally, if she turns up, is she to she turns up, is she going to pull focus from the coronation? because going pull focus from the coronation? becausknow, going pull focus from the coronation? becausknow, when going pull focus from the coronation? becausknow, when they going becausknow, when they sort)ing to you know, when they sort of wann— to you know, when they sort of waien-isoiy— to you know, when they sort of| watch - body - and watch their body language and iney— watch their body language and iney anaiyse— watch their body language and iney anaiyse ii— watch their body language and they analyse it and they're saying— they analyse it and they're saying-kissen- they analyse it and they're trying-listen in. they analyse it and they're trying listen in to trying to sort of listen in to wnai— trying to sort of listen in to wnai iney-ne— trying to sort of listen in to what they're secretly whispering trying to sort of listen in to wieach ey're secretly whispering trying to sort of listen in to wieach other;ecretly whispering trying to sort of listen in to wieach other;ecretlythanspering to each other rather than focusing— to each other rather than focusing charles to each other rather than. focusing-charles is focusing on what charles is going— focusing on what charles is going signs.— focusing on what charles is going signs. — focusing on what charles is doing right. 'i: doing right. and that's the important well important thing. okay. well still work still to come is the modern work place of idleness ? so place a hive of idleness? so we're going to be joined by technology journalist andrew orlowski that very orlowski to answer that very question. don't go anywhere .

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idle employees , economists and idle employees, economists and policy makers everywhere are agonising over our flat productivity growth. but is our working landscape post—pandemic to blame? technology journalist andrew orlowski thinks so, and he's with me now to tell me more. andrew, welcome to the show. thanks for having me, man. okay, so let's start with this idea of what you call in your article empty labour. this idea that there are all these jobs apparently where people actually that there are all these jobs appartdoingihere people actually that there are all these jobs appartdoing anything ole actually that there are all these jobs appartdoing anything ..e actually that there are all these jobs appartdoing anything . i actually that there are all these jobs appartdoing anything . i mean, ly aren't doing anything. i mean, you mentioned a finished tax auditor died at his desk . auditor who died at his desk. he his desk and he he died at his desk and he wasni— he died at his desk and he wasn-i—ion- he died at his desk and he- wasn't—for-days. wasn't discovered for two days. and— wasn't discovered for two days. ans-koo— wasn't discovered for two days. ans-ioo sessio- wasn't discovered for two days. and-100 people workingl and there's 100 people working with didn't with him, apparently didn't think in. it hasn't think of checking in. it hasn't got a snappy— think of checking in. it hasn't goi a snanny nane- think of checking in. it hasn't got a snappy name. i- ff g " it hasn't got a snappy name. i think a lot of neonie— got a snappy name. i think a lot of neonie wows— got a snappy name. i think a lot of people would recognise it. inas— of people would recognise it. inai ani— of people would recognise it. that and there's— of people would recognise it. that and there's been an ekniosion— that and there's been an explosion now- that and there's been an explosion now of jobs where i woaiin-i— explosion now of jobs where i wouldn't-there's- explosion now of jobs where i wouldn't there's absolutely explosion now of jobs where i wouldn'to there's absolutely explosion now of jobs where i wouldn'to do, 1ere's absolutely explosion now of jobs where i wouldn'to do, but's absolutely explosion now of jobs where i wouldn'to do, but you»solutely explosion now of jobs where i wouldn'to do, but you canitely nothing to do, but you can eenainiy— nothing to do, but you can certainly spin— nothing to do, but you can certainly spin-a- nothing to do, but you can certainly spin a lot over a certainly spin out a lot over a very— certainly spin out a lot over a very iong— certainly spin out a lot over a very iong sinne- — certainly spin out a lot over a very long time. but that's interesting, isn't it? because and crosses kinds of and it crosses all kinds of sectors the public sectors across the public sector. imean, sectors across the public sector. i mean, everyone makes iokes— sector. i mean, everyone makes jokes—ani- sector. i mean, everyone makesj iokes—ani ine jokes about bureaucracy and the sink— jokes about bureaucracy and the eiwii seawee— jokes about bureaucracy and the civil service and— jokes about bureaucracy and the civil service and quangos, but it's civil service and quangos, but its aeiaaiiy— civil service and quangos, but it's actually large— it's actually large organisations it's actually large - organisations-probably it's actually large— organisations-probably the organisations are probably the

was— organisations are probably the wonsi—aii. - organisations are probably the worst—all. well,l organisations are probably the. worst—all. well, you worst culprits of all. well, you saik— worst culprits of all. well, you saik in— worst culprits of all. well, you talk in your article about this idea of people, they've got so much , even they've much time, even though they've got jobs, they can got full time jobs, they can actually full actually take on another full time take up hobbies or time job or take up hobbies or businesses while they're working. well, that's beauty working. well, that's the beauty of working. well, that's the beauty oi nawing— working. well, that's the beauty oi nawing so— working. well, that's the beauty of having so much— g well, that's the beauty of having so much personal time at of having so much personal time ai-voa— of having so much personal time ai-koa an— of having so much personal time ai-koa you- of having so much personal time at-you can you can- of having so much personal time at-you can you can fill. at work. you can you can fill it. you can do what- at work. you can you can fill it. you can do what you- at work. 42». {.c�*“ {.c�*“ �*" a e you can do what you like. it. you can do what you like. i mean,lnoticed_ it. you can do what you like. i mean,lnoticed we— e you can do what you like. i mean, noticed we there was mean, i noticed we there was a reson— mean, i noticed we there was a season in— mean, i noticed we there was a senon in-nanen— mean, i noticed we there was a report in paper that report in the paper today that the pedicurist_ report in the paper today that the pedicurist manicurists the pedicurist and manicurists are the pedicurist and manicurists aae-inis— the pedicurist and manicurists aae-inis spike- the pedicurist and manicurists are-this spike in- are reporting this spike in business— are reporting this spike in business during the week in iayiine— business during the week in daytime hours.— business during the week in daytime hours. and they're eaiiing— daytime hours. and they're calling manager's bonus. calling it the manager's bonus. yes calling it the manager's bonus. kes inai-s— calling it the manager's bonus. yes that's partly— calling it the manager's bonus. yes that's partly work from yes that's partly a work from none— yes that's partly a work from none-inink. - yes that's partly a work from home-think. but- home thing. i think. but i noises— home thing. i think. but i noticed—in. home thing. i think. but ii noticed—in my noticed i mentioned in my anieie— noticed i mentioned in my article-some-y. noticed i mentioned in myi article-some-y ers noticed i mentioned in my- article-some-y ers are article that some gen y ers are iaking— article that some gen y ers are iaking on— article that some gen y ers are iaking on s— article that some gen y ers are iaking on s on— article that some gen y ers are taking on 3 or 4— article that some gen y ers are taking on 3 or 4 jobs at home ani— taking on 3 or 4 jobs at home and inein— taking on 3 or 4 jobs at home and their bosses— taking on 3 or 4 jobs at home and their bosses don't know. t hey— and their bosses don't know. iney insi— and their bosses don't know. they just think— and their bosses don't know. they just think they're working for they just think they're working ion inen. — they just think they're working ion inen. so— they just think they're working for them. so why— they just think they're working for them. so why has this happened? why is it case happened? why is it the case that, you know, we've all had plenty jobs where you in, plenty of jobs where you go in, you 9 to 5, you're you work your 9 to 5, you're busy whole you go busy the whole day, and you go home you think you know. home and you think you know. but this relatively new this seems like a relatively new thing in and you thing where you go in and you actually haven't got much to do. and how widespread is it? well, it's not studies, so.don't- it's not studies, so we don't nave— it's not studies, so we don't. nave—anoinen have hard data on and another iaeion—in- have hard data on and another factor—in detail| factor we don't know in detail

is-neonie— factor we don't know in detaili is-people-admit is because people won't admit it, is because people won't admit ii-inienis— is because people won't admit it,-friends. you'll- is because people won't admit it, friends. you'll see it, even to friends. you'll see inen — it, even to friends. you'll see inen la— it, even to friends. you'll see inenla iniiay— it, even to friends. you'll see them a friday night. was them on a friday night. how was wonke— them on a friday night. how was wake-was— them on a friday night. how was work?-was really- them on a friday night. how was work? was really busy. them on a friday night. how was wori

siaek— awful lot of trouble if they siaek oii. — awful lot of trouble if they slack off. yeah,- awful lot of trouble if they slack off. “255i" awful lot of trouble if they slack off. “25?" slack off. yeah, well, one of the these industries i suppose is diversity, and is the diversity, equity and inclusion industry. and it's often how these often difficult to see how these very well people are doing very well paid people are doing anything than anything at all other than complaining about complaining to people about things. that's been things. well, that's been a gneai— things. well, that's been a great racket.— things. well, that's been a great racket. the- q5 well, that's been a great racket. the human resources, the- great racket. the human resources, the human resources iiseii— resources, the human resources iiseii uses— resources, the human resources iiseii asei io— resources, the human resources itself used to be— resources, the human resources itself used to be some of you nigni— itself used to be some of you might remember— itself used to be some of you might remember 40 years ago inene— might remember 40 years ago inene was— might remember 40 years ago inene a— might remember 40 years ago there was a personnel department in an— there was a personnel department in an organisation— there was a personnel department in an organisation and it had swo— in an organisation and it had iwo neonie— in an organisation and it had iwo neonie ani— in an organisation and it had two people and they did payroll. they— two people and they did payroll. iney akin-i— two people and they did payroll. iney oiin-i io— two people and they did payroll. they didn't do much else. apart inon— they didn't do much else. apart inon inai. — they didn't do much else. apart from that. but— they didn't do much else. apart from that. but as— they didn't do much else. apart from that. but as soon as ennioyees— from that. but as soon as- employees _them employees started to let them get-behaviour— employees started to let them get behaviour and mood, get into behaviour and mood, iney— get into behaviour and mood, iney-in— get into behaviour and mood, they-in through- get into behaviour and mood, they in through door they got in through this door eaiiei— they got in through this door sakes-ani- they got in through this door called and well—being. called wellness and well—being. inene-s— called wellness and well—being. inene-s-no— called wellness and well—being. inene-s-no sani- called wellness and well—being. there's-no part of- called wellness and well—being. there's no part of your there's almost no part of your iiie— there's almost no part of your iiie inas— there's almost no part of your iiie inai iney— there's almost no part of your life that they don't consider inein— life that they don't consider inein — life that they don't consider inein .— life that they don't consider their own . it's— life that they don't consider their own . it's like a sort of their own. it's like a sort of seeaai— their own. it's like a sort of secular police— their own. it's like a sort of secular police force . e secular police force. isn't that oase— secular police force. isn't that odd? and particularly in corporations moment, mean corporations at the moment, mean i the example that i think the one example that everyone be familiar everyone here will be familiar with because with is twitter, because of course, musk come course, elon musk has come into twitter think two twitter fired, i think two thirds of the employees . and as thirds of the employees. and as far i can see, it's running far as i can see, it's running better than that's right. better than ever. that's right. yes. what were they doing? well, think were well, i don't think they were going—au- - well, i don't think they were. doing—all. .this doing anything at all. and this has doing anything at all. and this nas-noi— doing anything at all. and this nas-noi ionis- doing anything at all. and this has-hot topic now. doing anything at all. and this has hot topic now in has become a hot topic now in siiieon— has become a hot topic now in silicon valley,— has become a hot topic now in silicon valley, where the large

ieen — tech companies employed and i inink— tech companies employed and i inink-iook— tech companies employed and i inink-iooklz— tech companies employed and i think-took.2 or- tech companies employed and i think took 2 or 500,000 think they took on 2 or 500,000 neonie— think they took on 2 or 500,000 neonie-iei— think they took on 2 or 500,000 neonie-iei 2— think they took on 2 or 500,000 neonie-iei 2 on- think they took on 2 or 500,000 people, let 2 or 500,000 people, they've let 2 or 500,000 go. —iike - people, they've let 2 or 500,000 go._like twitter. i go. and it's much like twitter. woisoiy— go. and it's much like twitter. nobody-any— go. and it's much like twitter. nobody any difference nobody tells any difference seen.— nobody tells any difference ieen. seen.— nobody tells any difference tech, tech, law— nobody tells any difference tech, tech, law or human resources. i think these are the big resources. i think these are the isig aeas— resources. i think these are the big areas where— resources. i think these are the big areas where organisations nave— big areas where organisations nave soni— big areas where organisations can have sort of— big areas where organisations can have sort of just let it go owi— can have sort of just let it go oai oi— can have sort of just let it go out of control. _ can have sort of just let it go out of control. ' i: f out of control. and certainly from some of the testimonies of people at twitter, some of the descriptions, you know, they had lots of sort of leisure activities going on. they had lots they could lots of things that they could do. yeah, they weren't overworked because that might traumatise had traumatise people. so you had all things. so it all that aspect of things. so it is just i all that aspect of things. so it isjust i mean, you all that aspect of things. so it is just i mean, you describe it as idleness in the in the article. is it idleness or is it people just getting away with it? know, because think it? you know, because i think most of us, if we could get away with it, would. but with it, we would. yeah. but it's demoralising. i mean, it's also demoralising. i mean, there's, only it's also demoralising. i mean, there's,-only been- there's, there's only been two books— there's, there's only been two books _ subject. i books really on the subject. one-s— books really on the subject. one's one's got— books really on the subject. one's one's got great title one's one's got this great title of one's one's got this great title oi—iseai— one's one's got this great title oi—iseai sy- one's one's got this great title of_dead by david. of the living dead by david kioisaenan.— of the living dead by david klobuchar, who— of the living dead by david klobuchar, who describes having iseing— klobuchar, who describes having iseing an— klobuchar, who describes having being an insurance industry and nawing—wonk- being an insurance industry and having_work.do.. being an insurance industry and. having-workldo. and having almost no work to do. and for having almost no work to do. and ion-yeas— having almost no work to do. and ion-yeans ne— having almost no work to do. and for-years he was— having almost no work to do. and for years he was just not for two years he was just not soinenei—oi- for two years he was just not bothered _of soul. bothered at all sort of soul oesinoying— bothered at all sort of soul destroying .way- bothered at all sort of soul destroying way because, you destroying in a way because, you know.— destroying in a way because, you know-weny— destroying in a way because, you know-weny nano— destroying in a way because, you know, very hard motivate know, it's very hard to motivate yowseii—yoal yourself when you when you

aan-.i — yourself when you when you aan-.i .inai— yourself when you when you can't. .that book- yourself when you when you can't. .that book is- yourself when you when you can't. yourself when you when you. can't. .that book is a good can't. but that book is a good example, isn't because example, isn't it? because he said insurance said he worked in insurance for six estimates that six years and he estimates that he did months. six months he did six months. six months work. he did six months. six months wonk. -inene-s- he did six months. six months work. -there's a- he did six months. six monthsi work. _there's a recent work. yeah and there's a recent essay— work. yeah and there's a recent essay-a— work. yeah and there's a recent essayla gay— work. yeah and there's a recent essayla gay wno-s- work. yeah and there's a recent essay a guy who's written essay by a guy who's written a key— essay by a guy who's written a weny-isook— essay by a guy who's written a weny-isook on— essay by a guy who's written a very-book on al,- essay by a guy who's written a very book on al, debunking very good book on al, debunking a-ine— very good book on al, debunking a-the-emmanuel- a lot of the hype, emmanuel iiaggioni— a lot of the hype, emmanuel iiaggioni-ne— a lot of the hype, emmanuel maggiori. he said he worked maggiori. and he said he worked in-sik— maggiori. and he said he worked in-sik-ne-s- maggiori. and he said he worked in-six-he's donei in tech for six years. he's done ainosi— in tech for six years. he's done ainosi-ani- in tech for six years. he's done almost-and when- in tech for six years. he's done- almost-and when-asks almost no work. and when he asks for almost no work. and when he asks ion wonk— almost no work. and when he asks ion wonk. ii-s— almost no work. and when he asks for work, it's kind— almost no work. and when he asks for work, it's kind of— almost no work. and when he asks for work, it's kind of don't say inai. — for work, it's kind of don't say inai. ii-s— for work, it's kind of don't say that. it's like,— for work, it's kind of don't say that. it's like, but- for work, it's kind of don't say that. it's like, but this- for work, it's kind of don't say that. e e e that. it's like, but this isn't letting side people letting the side down. people are this is are suggesting that this is great it means people great because it means people get but get away with murder. but actually, say, is actually, like you say, it is demoralising, not having something having a something to do, not having a sense mean, that sense of purpose. i mean, that can't for an individual can't be good for an individual employee. think it's employee. well, i think it's soeiaiiy— employee. well, i think it's socially—well. - employee. well, i think it's socially—well. if. socially divisive as well. if you— socially divisive as well. if yon-eiass- socially divisive as well. if yon-eiass oi- socially divisive as well. if you class of people socially divisive as well. if- you-class of people who you have a class of people who do you have a class of people who so weny— you have a class of people who do very comfortably, whereas you ion-i— do very comfortably, whereas you ion-i-enoiee— do very comfortably, whereas you don't-choicelyou'rel don't have that choice if you're seii—ennioyei— don't have that choice if you're self—employed or— don't have that choice if you're self—employed or contractor self—employed or a contractor ani— self—employed or a contractor anei—navel and you certainly don't have inas— and you certainly don't have inai—in- and you certainly don't have inai—in a- and you certainly don't have inai—in a in| and you certainly don't havei inai—in a in a that choice if you're in a in a iaiiiineni— that choice if you're in a in a fulfilment warehouse or a iiiieneni— fulfilment warehouse or a different type— fulfilment warehouse or a different type of job. (32; "$2; different type of job. centre yes:— different type of job. centre yes-ii— different type of job. centre vas-ii yone- different type of job. centre yes,_lf you're in- yes, exactly. if you're in a working job, yeah, yeah. working class job, yeah, yeah. you you don't you don't have the you don't have luxury of taking a have that luxury of taking up a second job hobby or that's second job or a hobby or that's it. if you for it. if you, if you pause for five seconds, the klaxons go off. if you're a centre, off. if you're a call centre, vou— off. if you're a call centre, you-a— off. if you're a call centre, yon-a-iigni- off. if you're a call centre,- you-a-light appears on you know, a red light appears on mr. you know, a red light appears on sin-sew.— you know, a red light appears on mr.-desk. they're- you know, a red light appears on mr.-desk. they're so- mr. burns's desk. they're so noniionei— mr. burns's desk. they're so monitored-so,- mr. burns's desk. they're so monitored-so, so- mr. burns's desk. they're so

monitored so, so nailed that monitored and so, so nailed that neonie—ioke. - monitored and so, so nailed that neonie—ioke. il people think that's a joke. i used— people think that's a joke. i uses is— people think that's a joke. i used to work— people think that's a joke. i used to work in— people think that's a joke. i used to work in a- people think that's a joke. i used to work in a call- people think that's a joke. used to work in a call centre and went to the toilet and if you went to the toilet for too that for slightly too long that a light would come on. someone would question about your light would come on. someone wouldhabits. i about your light would come on. someone wouldhabits. i mean, out your light would come on. someone wouldhabits. i mean, yeah,iur toilet habits. i mean, yeah, i i— toilet habits. i mean, yeah, i mean, i think.— toilet habits. i mean, yeah, i mean, i think. i— toilet habits. i mean, yeah, i mean, i think. i mean,- i mean, yeah, i mean, i think. i mean, i'm old enoagn— mean, i think. i mean, i'm old enough-remember- mean, i think. i mean, i'm old enough remember the 70 enough to remember the 70 seconds,_wasi enough to remember the 70. seconds,_was very, seconds, just about. i was very, weny— seconds, just about. i was very, yew—iaw- seconds, just about. i was very, weny—iaei. i-nl very young boy. in fact, i'm iying— very young boy. in fact, i'm iying-ioii— very young boy. in fact, i'm iying-ioii ne- very young boy. in fact, i'm lying. told me about it. lying. people told me about it. sai— lying. people told me about it. isai yon— lying. people told me about it. nai you nai— lying. people told me about it. but you had large— lying. people told me about it. but you had large trade unions inene— but you had large trade unions inene wnose— but you had large trade unions there whose main— but you had large trade unions there whose main of purpose but you had large trade unions thert0/hose main of purpose but you had large trade unions therto make main of purpose but you had large trade unions therto make sure, of purpose but you had large trade unions therto make sure, as of purpose but you had large trade unions therto make sure, as manyurpose but you had large trade unions therto make sure, as many people was to make sure, as many people did,— was to make sure, as many people gii.—posses.- did, as little as possible. and iney— did, as little as possible. and iney-oi— did, as little as possible. and iney-oi sone- did, as little as possible. and. they-of some-them they were kind of some of them guise— they were kind of some of them were quite creating were quite good at creating ions.— were quite good at creatingi ions—siannei were quite good at creating- jobs. _stamped out. jobs. and that was stamped out. it jobs. and that was stamped out. ii-soni— jobs. and that was stamped out. ii-sonilyoa— jobs. and that was stamped out. it-sort.you-it's- it was sort of, you know, it's insi— it was sort of, you know, it's iasi ieniisiy— it was sort of, you know, it's just terribly shameful for sniiain— just terribly shameful for. britain—practises britain to have this practises going—ii- britain to have this practises going—ii insi- britain to have this practises. going—it just seems going on. yes. but it just seems iike— going on. yes. but it just seems iike ine— going on. yes. but it just seems like the middle— going on. yes. but it just seems like the middle class have succeeded— like the middle class have succeeded where working succeeded where the working eiass— class movement has failed. inai-s— class movement has failed. that's interesting,— class movement has failed. that's interesting-it?- that's interesting, isn't it? do you these you think, though, with these sort as we've sort of revelations as we've seen the fact that seen at twitter, the fact that musk most of the musk can get rid of most of the workforce and nothing happens, is going on or are is that going to catch on or are people think, well, people going to think, well, okay, did it. after okay, well, he did it. after all, these people are in the business making money business of making money and this them awful this will save them an awful lot. i quality of the lot. i think the quality of the neonie— lot. i think the quality of the neonieline— lot. i think the quality of the neonieline ion— i think the quality of the people the top really people at the top is really soon.— people at the top is really poor. optimistic. and poor. i'm not optimistic. and i inink— poor. i'm not optimistic. and i inink-ani— poor. i'm not optimistic. and i think and chatgpt comes in, think as i and chatgpt comes in, inose— think as i and chatgpt comes in, inose neonie— think as i and chatgpt comes in, those people are— think as i and chatgpt comes in, those people are the first to kind— those people are the first to kind oi— those people are the first to kind oi gnais— those people are the first to kind of grab the—

those people are the first to kind of grab the opportunities to . kind of grab the opportunities io-. ii-s— kind of grab the opportunities io-. is a- kind of grab the opportunities io-. is a prop-- to look busy. it's a prop. sasieaiiy.— to look busy. it's a prop. basically. they're acting at wonk— basically. they're acting at wonk ine— basically. they're acting at work the entire— basically. they're acting at work the entire working day is a neionane— work the entire working day is a performance and— work the entire working day is a performance and technology aiiows— performance and technology allows them _ performance and technology allows them to _ performance and technology allows them to look busier than iney— allows them to look busier than iney aeiaaiiy— allows them to look busier than they actually are. _ allows them to look busier than they actually are. e they actually are. but it's interesting, in johann hari's book stolen focus, he mentions a study to where one study in australia to where one company decides to make it a four day working week rather than a five day week, but not change amount of work that change the amount of work that they produce. they expect people to produce. and and people prefer and it works and people prefer it done within a it. they get it done within a short of time. their short amount of time. their productivity increases. so maybe short amount of time. their produc'onei increases. so maybe short amount of time. their produc'one solutiones. so maybe short amount of time. their produc'one solution or so maybe short amount of time. their produc'one solution or is maybe short amount of time. their produc'one solution or is that'be is that one solution or is that does us that? in fact, does that tell us that? in fact, a time people are a lot of the time people are just spacing out just spacing things out needlessly? yeah, parkinson's law needlessly? yeah, parkinson's iaw-koa— needlessly? yeah, parkinson's iaw-koa-ine- needlessly? yeah, parkinson's law-you .the work| law is cool. you just the work expands— law is cool. you just the work eknanisliiii— law is cool. you just the work expands-fill the- law is cool. you just the work expands fill the time expands to fill the time available.— expands to fill the time available. think it's a great available. i think it's a great example— available. i think it's a great ekannie oi.— available. i think it's a great example of. andrew yeah. [in/sq example of. andrew yeah. okay. kiosk.— example of. andrew yeah. okay. was way— example of. andrew yeah. okay. well, very interesting. we'll see thank you very see what happens. thank you very much, us much, andrew, for joining us today. appreciate . yeah, today. really appreciate. yeah, it'll be very interesting to see if elon musk's tactics will will catch on in other corporations. part of me hopes that they really do anyway. still to come, how is it that trigger warnings are into the pages are creeping into the pages of one most inoffensive and one of the most inoffensive and some dull places on

some might say dull places on the the library. come the earth? the library. come back and join with johanna back and join us with johanna williams. going discuss williams. we're going to discuss that few minutes .

welcome back to free speech nation. with me andrew doyle to work in a library has always been deemed a dull or boring job, so it may surprise you that staff at the british library are now being offered emotional support to help them cope with workplace trauma. it includes putting trigger warnings on library books deemed insensitive of outdated or contrary racial. so to get to the bottom of what all this is about, i'm joined by author and academic johanna williams. johanna thanks so much for joining me. williams. johanna thanks so much for joining me . can i ask you, forjoining me. can i ask you, this is about a document that the british library has produced. well, they produced it last year. they've just published it this week. you published it this week. can you tell document tell us what this document is

and what it tells us so this is and what it tells us so this is an anti—racist action plan that the library wants to implement, and it basically involves allowing the public to engage in safe searching of a library database. so safe searching of a library database . so rather than database. so rather than inadvertently— can? so rather than inadvertently stumbling across any eonieni— inadvertently stumbling across any content that— inadvertently stumbling across any content that you might find oiiensiwe— any content that you might find offensive workers— any content that you might find offensive workers at the british iiisnany— offensive workers at the british iiisnany oi— offensive workers at the british iiisnany oi a— offensive workers at the british library of a library are going to library of a library are going io se— library of a library are going to be employed— library of a library are going to be employed to flag up any eonieni— to be employed to flag up any content that— to be employed to flag up any content that might be considered oaiiaiei— content that might be considered oaiiaiei on— content that might be considered outdated or racist— content that might be considered outdated or racist or just to enness— outdated or racist or just to express attitudes and beliefs inas— express attitudes and beliefs inai we— express attitudes and beliefs that we don't— express attitudes and beliefs that we don't really are not seen as socially— that we don't really are not seen as socially acceptable nowadays.— seen as socially acceptable nowadays. let's— seen as socially acceptable nowadays. let's say old fashioned— nowadays. let's say old fashioned views. johanna i think a ioi— fashioned views. johanna i think a ioi oi— fashioned views. johanna i think a ioi oi neonie— fashioned views. johanna i think a lot of people you spend a lot of a lot of people you spend a lot oi neonie— a lot of people you spend a lot of people watching will see the flaw— of people watching will see the iiaw in— of people watching will see the iiaw in inis— of people watching will see the flaw in this, that— of people watching will see the flaw in this, that the british iiisnany— flaw in this, that the british iiisnany is— flaw in this, that the british library is one— flaw in this, that the british library is one of— flaw in this, that the british library is one of the major eonynigni— library is one of the major copyright libraries. e copyright libraries. it has a copy— copyright libraries. it has a copy oi— copyright libraries. it has a copy oi eweny— copyright libraries. it has a copy of every book that is published going back many, many, many , goes back many centuries, goes right back to magna carta. and people to the magna carta. and people used different used to have different attitudes, didn't they ? attitudes, didn't they? absolutely. i mean,«this absolutely. i mean, this is attitudes, didn't they? - absolutely. i mean, this is the nosi— absolutely. i mean, this is the

most ridiculous— absolutely. i mean, this is the most ridiculous suggestion iseeaase— most ridiculous suggestion because where— most ridiculous suggestion because where do you start? i ine— because where do you start? i mean, the bible,— because where do you start? i mean, the bible, you wouldn't nave— mean, the bible, you wouldn't nawe anyining— mean, the bible, you wouldn't have anything from the bible. woining— have anything from the bible. woining inon— have anything from the bible. nothing from the old testament wows—sass- would be allowed to pass insign— would be allowed to pass through-take. would be allowed to pass. through.-take all would be allowed to pass- through. _take all the through. you could take all the aneieni— through. you could take all the ancient-texts— through. you could take all the ancient-texts .- through. you could take all the ancient texts . none of ancient greek texts. none of inose— ancient greek texts. none of inose-se— ancient greek texts. none of those-be able- ancient greek texts. none of those-be able to- ancient greek texts. none of those be able to stand , those would be able to stand, vou— those would be able to stand, you know.— those would be able to stand, you know, none— those would be able to stand, you know, none this works at you know, none of this works at aii— you know, none of this works at as iwenyining— you know, none of this works at all. everything is— you know, none of this works at all. everything is going to have all. everything is going to have awanning— all. everything is going to have a warning attached to it eweniaaiiy— a warning attached to it eventually. - a warning attached to it eventually . a warning attached to it eventually. a warning attached to it eventually . ” eventually. so what is their plan? they're going to attach warnings to all of these various books so that people who are browsing, shall we say, aren't traumatised . and of course, when traumatised. and of course, when you go to the british library, you're not really browsing, are you? know you're you? you know what you're looking for. but this well, obviously waste money. obviously it's a waste of money. there's also there there's that, but also there don't good at their don't seem very good at their job because i mean last year they applied of they applied some kind of warning hughes claiming warning to ted hughes claiming he descended from slave warning to ted hughes claiming he andescended from slave warning to ted hughes claiming he andescdidn't from slave warning to ted hughes claiming he andescdidn't even slave warning to ted hughes claiming he andescdidn't even turne owners and it didn't even turn out . no, absolutely . out to be true. no, absolutely. so out to be true. no, absolutely. so i— out to be true. no, absolutely. so i guess— out to be true. no, absolutely. so i guess ine— out to be true. no, absolutely. so i guess the person- no, absolutely. so i guess the person who would nave— so i guess the person who would nave a— so i guess the person who would nave a eiain — so i guess the person who would have a claim to— so i guess the person who would have a claim to be— so i guess the person who would have a claim to be traumatised in aii— have a claim to be traumatised in aii oi— have a claim to be traumatised in aii oi inas— have a claim to be traumatised in all of that would be the neiaiiwes— in all of that would be the relatives of _ in all of that would be the relatives of ted— in all of that would be the relatives of ted hughes, who iiseowenei — relatives of ted hughes, who discovered this— relatives of ted hughes, who discovered this bogus news about nen. — discovered this bogus news about nen. wow— discovered this bogus news about her. now distant— discovered this bogus news about her. now distant relative. so, yean—

her. now distant relative. so, yean .— her. now distant relative. so, yean . ine— her. now distant relative. so, yeah , the whole— her. now distant relative. so, yeah , the whole thing. but yeah, the whole thing. but i ii-s— yeah, the whole thing. but i mean, it's partly— yeah, the whole thing. but i mean, it's partly it's a waste of mean, it's partly it's a waste oi sine— mean, it's partly it's a waste oi iinne ani— mean, it's partly it's a waste of time and money. it's oiiensiwe— of time and money. it's offensive to— of time and money. it's offensive to readers. it's insaiiing— offensive to readers. it's insulting to _ offensive to readers. it's insulting to the public that we snoaiin-i— insulting to the public that we snoaiin-i se— insulting to the public that we shouldn't be allowed to make up our own minds— shouldn't be allowed to make up our own minds about what it is neaiing— our own minds about what it is neaiing .— our own minds about what it is we're reading . but— our own minds about what it is we're reading . but i also do we're reading. but i also do inink— we're reading. but i also do inink ii-s— we're reading. but i also do inink is a— we're reading. but i also do think it's a horrible job to get soneisoiy— think it's a horrible job to get soneisoiy io— think it's a horrible job to get somebody to do. _ think it's a horrible job to get somebody to do. you know, people are somebody to do. you know, people iseing— somebody to do. you know, people iseing pais— somebody to do. you know, people iseing naio io— somebody to do. you know, people are being paid to spend their eniine— are being paid to spend their eniine sine— are being paid to spend their entire time looking for things to entire time looking for things io se— entire time looking for things to be aggrieved— entire time looking for things to be aggrieved about, to seek out to be aggrieved about, to seek oai oiienee— to be aggrieved about, to seek out offence and— to be aggrieved about, to seek out offence and then extra neonie— out offence and then extra neonie ane— out offence and then extra people are then having to be said— people are then having to be said on— people are then having to be said on ion— people are then having to be said on ion oi— people are then having to be paid on top of that to offer inose— paid on top of that to offer inose neonie— paid on top of that to offer those people emotional support. i those people emotional support. i nean— those people emotional support. i wnene— those people emotional support. i mean, where does that stop ? i mean, where does that stop? ane— i mean, where does that stop? ane yon— i mean, where does that stop? one you inen— i mean, where does that stop? are you then going to kind of pay— are you then going to kind of gay ion— are you then going to kind of pay for another— are you then going to kind of pay for another of people pay for another layer of people to pay for another layer of people io nnowiie — pay for another layer of people to provide emotional support to the to provide emotional support to ine—sannoni- to provide emotional support to the support workers? the emotional support workers? you the emotional support workers? koa know.— the emotional support workers? you know. so— the emotional support workers? you know, so just— the emotional support workers? you know, so just this is the iogie— you know, so just this is the iogie oi— you know, so just this is the iogie oi inis— you know, so just this is the logic of this ,— you know, so just this is the logic of this , joanna, where logic of this, joanna, where wnene— logic of this, joanna, where wnene noes— logic of this, joanna, where where does all— logic of this, joanna, where where does all this come from? i where does all this come from? i mean— where does all this come from? i you-we— where does all this come from? i mean, you've written - where does all this come from? i mean, you've written previous a lot about trigger warnings. where does this trigger warning idea come and why is it idea come from and why is it spread rapidly through all spread so rapidly through all aspects of society? no absolutely. imean, aspects of society? no absolutely. i mean, i think oniginaiiy— absolutely. i mean, i think oniginaiiy ii— absolutely. i mean, i think originally it comes- leg i mean, i think originally it comes from the oniine— originally it comes from the online world. _ originally it comes from the online world. i—

originally it comes from the online world. i mean, people aiso— online world. i mean, people aiso inaee— online world. i mean, people also trace it— online world. i mean, people also trace it to— online world. i mean, people also trace it to things like the cinema where— also trace it to things like the cinema where we've always had age— cinema where we've always had age ion— cinema where we've always had age ion a— cinema where we've always had age ion a iong— cinema where we've always had age for a long time, had age naiings— age for a long time, had age naiings on— age for a long time, had age ratings on cinema . age for a long time, had age ratings on cinema. but but i inink— ratings on cinema. but but i inink inai-s— ratings on cinema. but but i think that's actually something guise— think that's actually something quite—wasl quite different because it was newen-wiin— quite different because it was never with offensive never to do with offensive eonieni— never to do with offensive eonieni-se.— never to do with offensive content-se. it- never to do with offensive content se. it was to do content per se. it was to do wiin— content per se. it was to do wiin se— content per se. it was to do wiin on— content per se. it was to do with sex or violence , that that with sex or violence, that that neon— with sex or violence, that that was much more— with sex or violence, that that was much more specific and it neon— was much more specific and it was much more about age rather inan— was much more about age rather inan inan— was much more about age rather than than warning— was much more about age rather than than warning about things you than than warning about things yon-ini— than than warning about things you find offensive . from you might find offensive. from snee— you might find offensive. from inenelnowei— you might find offensive. from there,.moved into- you might find offensive. from there, moved into academia there, it moved into academia wnene— there, it moved into academia wnenelis— there, it moved into academia wherelis still— there, it moved into academia wherelis still so— there, it moved into academia where is still so rife, even where it is still so rife, even insi— where it is still so rife, even iasi in— where it is still so rife, even iasi in ine— where it is still so rife, even just in the news— where it is still so rife, even just in the news today, it's iaiking— just in the news today, it's talking about— just in the news today, it's talking about exeter university, the talking about exeter university, ine anis— talking about exeter university, ine anis ani— talking about exeter university, the arts and humanities faculty at the arts and humanities faculty ai ixeien— the arts and humanities faculty at exeter university giving iniggen— at exeter university giving trigger warnings associated with yoain— trigger warnings associated with yoain ani— trigger warnings associated with yoain and age.— trigger warnings associated with yoain and age. i— trigger warnings associated with youth and age. i mean, you know , youth and age. i mean, you know . eweny— youth and age. i mean, you know . eweny neson— youth and age. i mean, you know , every person alive— youth and age. i mean, you know , every person alive has been young— , every person alive has been yoang ai— , every person alive has been yoang ai soe— , every person alive has been young at some point and will be old young at some point and will be oii ai— young at some point and will be oii ai soe— young at some point and will be old at some point.— young at some point and will be old at some point. so quite why yoain— old at some point. so quite why yoain ani— old at some point. so quite why yoain and age— old at some point. so quite why youth and age need to have iniggen— youth and age need to have trigger warnings. i mean, truly iseggans— trigger warnings. i mean, truly iseggans iseiiei— trigger warnings. i mean, truly beggars belief, but it's from aeaienia— beggars belief, but it's from academia where— beggars belief, but it's from academia where people have iseone— academia where people have become accustomed to it that i guess— become accustomed to it that i guess neonie— become accustomed to it that i guess people have— become accustomed to it that i guess people have then gone out inso— guess people have then gone out inio wonk— guess people have then gone out inio wonk anon— guess people have then gone out into work upon graduation and eanei— into work upon graduation and eanniei inis— into work upon graduation and carried this idea— into work upon graduation and carried this idea with them . carried this idea with them. kni— carried this idea with them. ana is— carried this idea with them. ana is a— carried this idea with them. and it's a real— carried this idea with them. and it's a real problem,-

carried this idea with them. and it's a real problem, isn't it? it points to an issue of infantilization, of students. you know, it's to suggest that students need to be warned about any possible thing that might upset think upset them. i think one university put warning on university put a warning on ernest hemingway's the old man and the sea, saying it contained scenes fishing . but i scenes of graphic fishing. but i would have thought that students can cope with this kind of thing. why are they thing. otherwise, why are they at university ? absolutely. i at university? absolutely. i mean, a-name- at university? absolutely. i. mean, a-nameitrigger mean, a good name for trigger wanninsg— mean, a good name for trigger wanings-in— mean, a good name for trigger warnings,-in that- warnings, i think, in that eonieki— warnings, i think, in that context spoiler. warnings, i think, in that. context-spoiler. you context is plots spoiler. you know.— context is plots spoiler. you know. oiien— context is plots spoiler. you know, often you'll find kind of anna— know, often you'll find kind of anna karenina— know, often you'll find kind of anna karenina trigger warning saieiie— anna karenina trigger warning saieiie .— anna karenina trigger warning saieiie . eon.— anna karenina trigger warning suicide . god, you know, shux. suicide. god, you know, shux. wnai-s— suicide. god, you know, shux. wnai-s-noini— suicide. god, you know, shux. what's point reading this what's the point of reading this book— what's the point of reading this isook now— what's the point of reading this book now? you— what's the point of reading this book now? you know, you've kind what's the point of reading this bo given v? you know, you've kind what's the point of reading this bo given awayi know, you've kind what's the point of reading this bo given away major, you've kind what's the point of reading this bo given away major chunks kind what's the point of reading this bo given away major chunks ofnd of given away major chunks of the of given away major chunks of ine ending— of given away major chunks of ine eniing .— of given away major chunks of the ending . it's— of given away major chunks of the ending . it's infantilizing. the ending. it's infantilizing. it's insulting.— the ending. it's infantilizing. it's insulting. but but, you know.— it's insulting. but but, you know. is— it's insulting. but but, you know, it's comes from this kind of know, it's comes from this kind oi eaiiane— know, it's comes from this kind oi eaiiwe oi— know, it's comes from this kind of culture of safety— know, it's comes from this kind of culture of safety ism where neonie— of culture of safety ism where neonie ane— of culture of safety ism where people are perceived as being so enoiionaiiy— people are perceived as being so emotionally vulnerable to every assess— emotionally vulnerable to every asneei oi— emotionally vulnerable to every aspect of society— emotionally vulnerable to every aspect of society that they need inese— aspect of society that they need these warnings— aspect of society that they need these warnings to— aspect of society that they need these warnings to kind of wrap inen — these warnings to kind of wrap inen an— these warnings to kind of wrap inen an in— these warnings to kind of wrap them up in cotton— these warnings to kind of wrap them up in cotton wool before iney— them up in cotton wool before iney even— them up in cotton wool before they even read— them up in cotton wool before they even read books. but but inink— they even read books. but but think there's— they even read books. but but think there's that— they even read books. but but think there's that side of it. sai— think there's that side of it. isai ii-s— think there's that side of it. but it's also— think there's that side of it. but it's also incredibly noiiiieai— but it's also incredibly political as— but it's also incredibly political as well . and we political as well. and we nasin-i— political as well. and we mustn't kind— political as well. and we mustn't kind of can't get away

inon— mustn't kind of can't get away inon inas— mustn't kind of can't get away from that fact. _ mustn't kind of can't get away from that fact. there's other iiisnanies. — from that fact. there's other libraries. i've— from that fact. there's other libraries. i've been speaking to a iiisnanian— libraries. i've been speaking to a librarian from— libraries. i've been speaking to a librarian from university a librarian from the university of a librarian from the university oi—iseen- a librarian from the university of_been involvedi a librarian from the university. of_been involved in of leeds who's been involved in passing— of leeds who's been involved in putting-warnings- of leeds who's been involved in putting warnings on an putting trigger warnings on an annive— putting trigger warnings on an archive-helping- archive he's been helping to. nes— archive he's been helping to. ne-s nos.— archive he's been helping to. ne-s noi. ne— archive he's been helping to. he's not. he compiled the annive— he's not. he compiled the aneniwe oi— he's not. he compiled the archive of the— he's not. he compiled the archive of the people are now applying— archive of the people are now applying the_ archive of the people are now applying the trigger warnings . applying the trigger warnings. nes— applying the trigger warnings. ne-s-aisoai- applying the trigger warnings. he's-about this- applying the trigger warnings. he's about this and he's very cross about this and he he's very cross about this and ne—io— he's very cross about this and ne—io-iasi- he's very cross about this and ne—io-iasi now he was saying to me just how seieeiiwe— he was saying to me just how selective this— he was saying to me just how selective this process is, where the selective this process is, where ine kine— selective this process is, where ine kini oi— selective this process is, where the kind of butchering of aninais— the kind of butchering of animals of— the kind of butchering of animals of livestock is given iniggen— animals of livestock is given trigger warnings— animals of livestock is given trigger warnings , but murder, trigger warnings, but murder, wiienenaii— trigger warnings, but murder, wiienenaii .— trigger warnings, but murder, witchcraft , the _ trigger warnings, but murder, witchcraft , the occult is not do witchcraft, the occult is not do soneining— witchcraft, the occult is not do soneining io— witchcraft, the occult is not do something to humans. that's eonsiienei— something to humans. that's considered perfectly fine . no considered perfectly fine. no neei— considered perfectly fine. no neei ion— considered perfectly fine. no neei ion a— considered perfectly fine. no need for a trigger warning. kill a pig— need for a trigger warning. kill a gig on— need for a trigger warning. kill a gig on a— need for a trigger warning. kill a gig on a sneen.— need for a trigger warning. kill a pig or a sheep. you know, you nosi— a pig or a sheep. you know, you nasi iiag— a pig or a sheep. you know, you nasi flag-ani- a pig or a sheep. you know, you must flag-and it's- a pig or a sheep. you know, you must flag and it's just must flag this up and it's just neiieeiing— must flag this up and it's just reflecting the— must flag this up and it's just reflecting the interests , if you reflecting the interests, if you iike.— reflecting the interests, if you gkg, oi— reflecting the interests, if you gkg, oi ine— reflecting the interests, if you like, of the people who are sianning— like, of the people who are sianning on— like, of the people who are slapping on the— like, of the people who are slapping on the warnings. 'i: slapping on the warnings. and can slapping on the warnings. and i— slapping on the warnings. and i ask— slapping on the warnings. and can i ask where— slapping on the warnings. and can i ask where this- slapping on the warnings. and can i ask where this leads? because we had in news today because we had in the news today the that the publishers of the story that the publishers of pg, wodehouse, penguin, random house are rewriting elements of his books because they think it might upset people. has that is that the sort of logical development from this that you're just going to get a bunch of sort of uptight puritans going through works changing going through works and changing them yeah i think that's

them for us? yeah i think that's absolutely where it leads. and it also seems to me to e : and it also seems to me to lead inewiiaisiy— it also seems to me to lead inevitably censorship as inevitably to censorship as weii— inevitably to censorship as weii. i— inevitably to censorship as well. i mean,— inevitably to censorship as well. i mean, if- inevitably to censorship as well. i mean, if you're a aniwensiiy— well. i mean, if you're a university lecturer you've university lecturer and you've senioasiy— seriously believed these wanings— seriously believed these wannings .— seriously believed these warnings , if— seriously believed these warnings , if you think that warnings, if you think that ieiiing— warnings, if you think that ieiiing youn— warnings, if you think that letting your students read this book—potentially. book is going to potentially inaanaiise— book is going to potentially traumatise them, then the very easy— traumatise them, then the very easy sien— traumatise them, then the very easy sien is— traumatise them, then the very easy sien is insi— traumatise them, then the very easy step is just not to include inas— easy step is just not to include inai nook— easy step is just not to include inai isook on— easy step is just not to include that book on the— easy step is just not to include that book on the reading list in the that book on the reading list in ine insi— that book on the reading list in the first place. _ that book on the reading list in the first place. so— that book on the reading list in the first place. so it does seem to the first place. so it does seem io-io— the first place. so it does seem io-io neaiiy— the first place. so it does seem to-to really be— the first place. so it does seem to-to really be a— the first place. so it does seem to to really be a precursor to me to really be a precursor for censorship— to me to really be a precursor for censorship-do- to me to really be a precursor for censorship ji2i for censorship. do you think there pushback from there is any pushback from academics students ? because academics and students? because one of the things that troubles me a bit is that no one me a little bit is that no one seems be complaining. seems to be complaining. i mean, if student and someone if i were a student and someone was telling me, oh, you mustn't read this because might get read this because you might get upset, tell them where upset, i would tell them where to well, would tell them to go. well, i would tell them wnene— to go. well, i would tell them wnene-go.— to go. well, i would tell them where-go,-would- qi2.i well, i would tell them where go, would also where to go, but it would also make— where to go, but it would also make-io— where to go, but it would also make-to seek- where to go, but it would also make-to seek out. where to go, but it would also make to seek out the make me want to seek out the books— make me want to seek out the isooks ani— make me want to seek out the isooks ans io— make me want to seek out the books and to find— make me want to seek out the books and to find out exactly wnai— books and to find out exactly wnai-i-we- books and to find out exactly what-i've been- books and to find out exactlyi what-i've been-i what it is that i've been told i snoaiin-i— what it is that i've been told i snoaiin-i-i- what it is that i've been told i shouldn't-i really- what it is that i've been told i shouldn't i really hope shouldn't read. so i really hope inene— shouldn't read. so i really hope inene-isii— shouldn't read. so i really hope inene-isii oi— shouldn't read. so i really hope there-bit of that- shouldn't read. so i really hope there bit of that going on. there is a bit of that going on. i there is a bit of that going on. i-eeniainiy— there is a bit of that going on. i certainly speaking from i mean, certainly speaking from my i mean, certainly speaking from ny—iseenl my own experience, i've been iooking— looking around second hand snons— looking around second hand shopss enaniiy— looking around second hand shops, charity shops for books wiin— shops, charity shops for books win-eeai— shops, charity shops for books with-deal more- with a great deal more enthusiasm— with a great deal more enthusiasm used enthusiasm than i ever used to in ine— enthusiasm than i ever used to in ine-i-n— enthusiasm than i ever used to in the i'm interested in the past. i'm not interested in the past. i'm not interested inn-ew— in the past. i'm not interested inn-ew copies- in the past. i'm not interested in-new copies of- in buying new copies of literature— in buying new copies of literature certainly not

literature and certainly not saying—a- literature and certainly not saying—a kindi literature and certainly not. buying—a kind of buying anything on a kind of e—reader anymore. i want the i wani— e—reader anymore. i want the i wani ine— e—reader anymore. i want the i want the original— e—reader anymore. i want the i want the original kind of 1920s eiiiions— want the original kind of 1920s eiiiions oi— want the original kind of 1920s editions of 1950— want the original kind of 1920s editions of 1950 editions of againa— editions of1950 editions of agatha christie— editions of 1950 editions of agatha christie . you know, the agatha christie. you know, the mess— agatha christie. you know, the 1920s editions— agatha christie. you know, the 1920s editions of— agatha christie. you know, the 1920s editions of fiji by wodehouse. _ 1920s editions of fiji by wodehouse. you know, i want inose— wodehouse. you know, i want those original— wodehouse. you know, i want those original texts and i neaiiy— those original texts and i neaiiy none— those original texts and i really hope it— those original texts and i really hope it does create a bit oi— really hope it does create a bit more of an appetite for people. inis— more of an appetite for people. inis is— more of an appetite for people. inis is my— more of an appetite for people. inis is my nose— more of an appetite for people. this is my hope anyway , the kind this is my hope anyway, the kind of this is my hope anyway, the kind oi sninii— this is my hope anyway, the kind oi sninii oi— this is my hope anyway, the kind of spirit of rebellion we all go owi— of spirit of rebellion we all go oai inene— of spirit of rebellion we all go out there - read _ of spirit of rebellion we all go out there read books from out there and read books from nasiisnei— out there and read books from naisiisnei in— out there and read books from published in the— out there and read books from published in the past hundred yeas— published in the past hundred yeans. — published in the past hundred years . absolutely- published in the past hundred years . ' a2ly q years. absolutely fascinating. joanna williams , thanks so much joanna williams, thanks so much for joining me. joanna williams, thanks so much for joining me . thank you so forjoining me. thank you so i think i think joanna williams makes a really interesting point. there's going to be a boom in second—hand books aren't there? because it's similar with you services you get these streaming services cutting of offensive cutting out, sort of offensive scenes shows. fact, scenes in comedy shows. in fact, it to towers. if it happened to fawlty towers. if you on bbc you watch fawlty towers on bbc iplayer , the episode the germans iplayer, the episode the germans has scene removed has a whole scene removed because a scene that because it has seen a scene that people might, might find people may, might, might find offensive . so and more offensive. so more and more people going have hard people are going to have hard copies, digital copies, dvds, old the way old books. that's the way to deal suppose. well, i

deal with it, i suppose. well, i suppose so. but what- deal with it, i suppose. well, i suppose so. but what i- : e well, i suppose so. but what i think is guise— suppose so. but what i think is quite interesting— suppose so. but what i think is quite interesting is how she noiniei— quite interesting is how she noiniei owi— quite interesting is how she pointed out that the trigger wanings— pointed out that the trigger warnings that— pointed out that the trigger warnings that are selected are not warnings that are selected are noi oniy— warnings that are selected are noi oniy nioi— warnings that are selected are not only plot spoilers , which i not only plot spoilers, which i inoagni— not only plot spoilers, which i inowgni was— not only plot spoilers, which i inowgni a— not only plot spoilers, which i thought was a brilliant point, but thought was a brilliant point, isai aiso— thought was a brilliant point, but also that— thought was a brilliant point, but also that they are clearly wnai— but also that they are clearly wnai is— but also that they are clearly what is affecting— but also that they are clearly what is affecting the person wnos— what is affecting the person who's writing— what is affecting the person who's writing the trigger waning.— who's writing the trigger wanning. yon— who's writing the trigger warning, you know , like so you warning, you know, like so you soaki— warning, you know, like so you soaks nave— warning, you know, like so you soaks nave a— warning, you know, like so you could have a cookbook and if the wegeianian— could have a cookbook and if the wegeianian is— could have a cookbook and if the vegetarian is the— could have a cookbook and if the vegetarian is the person who is going— vegetarian is the person who is going io— vegetarian is the person who is going io wniie— vegetarian is the person who is going to write the— vegetarian is the person who is going to write the trigger wanings— going to write the trigger warnings warning brutalisation of cannibalism _ warnings warning brutalisation of cannibalism ,— warnings warning brutalisation of cannibalism , meat and all of of cannibalism, meat and all of inis.— of cannibalism, meat and all of inis. ani— of cannibalism, meat and all of inis. one i— of cannibalism, meat and all of this. and if they're _ of cannibalism, meat and all of this. and if they're a vegan, iongei— this. and if they're a vegan, iongei ii.— this. and if they're a vegan, forget it. there— this. and if they're a vegan, forget it. there isn't even a cookbook.— forget it. there isn't even a cookbook. oh,— forget it. there isn't even a cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook ioesn-i— cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook ioesn-i ensi— cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook doesn't exist . _ cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook doesn't exist . what— cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook doesn't exist . vilma. i:i2i cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook doesn't exist . �*fiwei. i:i2i cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook doesn't exist . i:i2i doesn't exist. what do you think about this, bruce? i mean, there doesn't exist. what do you think abotanother’sruce? i mean, there doesn't exist. what do you think abotanother trigger mean, there doesn't exist. what do you think abotanother trigger warning here was another trigger warning appued was another trigger warning applied saying was another trigger warning arcontained saying was another trigger warning arcontained elements saying it contained elements of a murder that there might be a murder that there might be a murder i think most murder in this. i think most people know that, don't they? going do know what? going in? do you know what? i wowe— going in? do you know what? i wows-io— going in? do you know what? i would-to know— going in? do you know what? i would-to know how- ci2i q 7 do you know what? i would to know how many would like to know how many neonie— would like to know how many people complained people have complained to eonsiiiaie— people have complained to constitute happening? constitute this happening? yes. how— constitute this happening? yes.- now—asses how many people have been upset and how many people have been upset ans-many— how many people have been upset anei-many neonie-s— how many people have been upset and many people's lives have and how many people's lives have seen— and how many people's lives have been mined— and how many people's lives have been nainei sy— and how many people's lives have been ruined by reading a book because— been ruined by reading a book because no, seriously, maybe i an — because no, seriously, maybe i an i— because no, seriously, maybe i an i ion-i— because no, seriously, maybe i an i ion-i nean— because no, seriously, maybe i am i don't read myself, but i ieei— am i don't read myself, but i ieei ii-s—

am i don't read myself, but i ieei is a— am i don't read myself, but i feel it's a cult— am i don't read myself, but i feel it's a cult and i want to move away from _ feel it's a cult and i want to move away from that. however, my sons— move away from that. however, my noini wows— move away from that. however, my noini woaii ise— move away from that. however, my point would be there— move away from that. however, my point would be there is an off swiien— point would be there is an off swiien .— point would be there is an off switch , metaphorical and literal switch, metaphorical and literal wiin— switch, metaphorical and literal wiin ewenyining.— switch, metaphorical and literal with everything. and why can't neonie— with everything. and why can't neonie ennioy— with everything. and why can't people employ that across the isoanie — people employ that across the isoanie koa— people employ that across the board? you see,— people employ that across the board? you see, my- people employ that across the board? v/i2i. q: board? you see, my guess would be that no one has complained at all. no one really asked for this. but who comes up with this stuff? well, is it coleen nolan to stuff? well, is it coleen nolan io ieieni— stuff? well, is it coleen nolan to defend from _ 5~...�*”7 well, is it coleen nolan to defend from backlash ? 7 well, is it coleen nolan to defend from backlash ? it to defend from this backlash? it soaks. — to defend from this backlash? it soaks. i— to defend from this backlash? it soaks. i iowe— to defend from this backlash? it could. i love you.— to defend from this backlash? it could. i love you. honestly. wease— could. i love you. honestly. niease. ii— could. i love you. honestly. please. it could— could. i love you. honestly. please. it could well be. but inai-s— please. it could well be. but was a— please. it could well be. but was a way— please. it could well be. but that's a very interesting point. people aren't asking for it and it's happening anyway. but that's that's why it's- q but that's that's why it's also the i that's that's why it's also the i-eogniiiwe— that's that's why it's also the i cognitive behavioural i mean, cognitive behavioural inenanisis— therapists also say it's the was— therapists also say it's the wonsi ining— therapists also say it's the worst thing you- therapists also say it's the worst thing you can do when someone actually suffering someone is actually suffering inon— someone is actually suffering from—shield- someone is actually sufferingi from—shield them someone is actually suffering from any shield them someone is actually suffering from any referenceshield them someone is actually suffering from any reference tozld them someone is actually suffering from any reference to the hem someone is actually suffering from any reference to the thing inas— from any reference to the thing inai—inen. - from any reference to the thing that—them. theyl from any reference to the thing. that—them. they said that traumatised them. they said that-s— that traumatised them. they said that's absolute worst that's the absolute worst thing to it doesn't have to do. so it doesn't even have a grounding scientific grounding in scientific research. but does that not research. but then does that not go research. but then does that not fro-to— research. but then does that not ge-ee rememerb— research. but then does that not go-to remember-can't| go back to remember the i can't remember—years- go back to remember the i can't remember years ago, go back to remember the i can't- remember_years ago, but remember how many years ago, but all remember how many years ago, but .u-,_ remember how many years ago, but .u-, you— remember how many years ago, but .u-, you-thee- all children, you know, there had— all children, you know, there hee-raee— all children, you know, there had-race winner. all children, you know, there had race winner in an had to be no race winner in an egg— had to be no race winner in an egg-spoon— had to be no race winner in an egg-spoon eee— had to be no race winner in an egg spoon race whatever . egg and spoon race or whatever. yes,— egg and spoon race or whatever. vee-ehneren— egg and spoon race or whatever. yes,.children-to- egg and spoon race or whatever. yes, children to achieve yes, all children had to achieve the yes, all children had to achieve ehe—knew,- yes, all children had to achievei the—know, there the same thing. you know, there are the same thing. you know, there ere—nee— the same thing. you know, there are—life that's- are elements of life that's going— are elements of life that's going ee— are elements of life that's going to make— are elements of life that's going to make you feel a bit uncomfortable.— going to make you feel a bit uncomfortable. yes . uncomfortable. yes well, it's when— uncomfortable. yes well, it's

when pass the when they start doing pass the parcel on on every layer had a prize. we that's prize. that's when we that's when going when society started going downhill point on. downhill from that point on. anyway that's that's anyway okay. that's that's enough for this week. i think we've covered this pretty well. but after the we're going we've covered this pretty well. but a'goinge we're going we've covered this pretty well. but a'going through we're going we've covered this pretty well. but a'going through our'e going we've covered this pretty well. but a'going through our socialg to be going through our social sensations you know, the sensations, you know, the various things gone various things that have gone viral. just case viral. this week just in case you don't go you missed them. so don't go anywhere a few minutes time anywhere for a few minutes time

on mark dolan tonight nigel biggar, - on mark dolan tonight nigel bigger, tep— . on mark dolan tonight nigel biggar, top historian— on mark dolan tonight nigel biggar, top historian and author of e— biggar, top historian and author of a breed— biggar, top historian and author of a brand new— biggar, top historian and author of a brand new book which pushes beek— of a brand new book which pushes beck en— of a brand new book which pushes back on be— of a brand new book which pushes back on the demonisation of the brbbeb— back on the demonisation of the brbbeb bmbbe— back on the demonisation of the british empire .— back on the demonisation of the british empire . we've got british empire. we've got bebbeeb— british empire. we've got political-from . political punditry from annunziata_ political punditry from annunziata rees—mogg, emma burbebb— annunziata rees—mogg, emma burbebb ebb— annunziata rees—mogg, emma burnell and former tory mp neil bareb— burnell and former tory mp neil bebeb een— burnell and former tory mp neil parish can reform— burnell and former tory mp neil parish can reform uk influenced the parish can reform uk influenced be next— parish can reform uk influenced the next election?— parish can reform uk influenced the next election? i'll be ebbing— the next election? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, ann widdecombe.— asking tonight's newsmaker, ann widdecombe. plus— asking tonight's newsmaker, ann widdecombe. plus lady colin cembbeu— widdecombe. plus lady colin cembbeu eb— widdecombe. plus lady colin campbell on the— widdecombe. plus lady colin campbell on the royals. and it mbebb— campbell on the royals. and it mbebb babe— campbell on the royals. and it mbgbb babe eb— campbell on the royals. and it might take at ten— campbell on the royals. and it might take at ten i'll be beebbe— might take at ten i'll be dealing with— might take at ten i'll be dealing with the overpaid stars at dealing with the overpaid stars eb-bbc. — dealing with the overpaid stars eb-bbc. b-e— dealing with the overpaid stars at-bbc. it'stime- dealing with the overpaid stars at bbc. it's time they took

at the bbc. it's time they took at the bbc. it's time they took a pay— at the bbc. it's time they took a bay ebb— at the bbc. it's time they took a bay ebb bbe— at the bbc. it's time they took a pay cut like the— at the bbc. it's time they took a pay cut like the rest of us. were— a pay cut like the rest of us. were me— a pay cut like the rest of us. we're live from _ a pay cut like the rest of us. we're live from .— a pay cut like the rest of us. we're live from . nine martin we're live from. nine martin beebb— we're live from. nine martin beebb bee— we're live from. nine martin bashir free speech nation. so every— bashir free speech nation. so every week— bashir free speech nation. so every week we— bashir free speech nation. so every week we dedicate- bashir free speech nation. so every week we dedicate this part of the show to the world of social media. those things that beve— social media. those things that beve gene— social media. those things that have gone viral.— social media. those things that have gone viral. so— f ”cir: those things that have gone viral. so we're going to have gone viral. so we're going be earr— have gone viral. so we're going be ererr wrrb— have gone viral. so we're going to start with this— have gone viral. so we're going to start with this one. this is aberr— to start with this one. this is be be— to start with this one. this is about the trans— to start with this one. this is about the trans ballet dancer bem— about the trans ballet dancer from be— about the trans ballet dancer from the royal— about the trans ballet dancer from the royal ballet. and there was an interesting— from the royal ballet. and there was an interesting clip of let's beve— was an interesting clip of let's beve -krkwek— was an interesting clip of let's have anyway you'll have a look. anyway you'll see wher— have a look. anyway you'll see wber-er— have a look. anyway you'll see wber-er rbe— have a look. anyway you'll see what-of the trans- have a look. anyway you'll see what of the trans dancer what i mean of the trans dancer are— what i mean of the trans dancer are e— what i mean of the trans dancer are e kerne— what i mean of the trans dancer and a young woman doing the same reubrre— and a young woman doing the same rebrbre. cer— and a young woman doing the same rebrbre. can we— and a young woman doing the same routine. can we see— and a young woman doing the same routine. can we see this clip . routine. can we see this clip. newe— routine. can we see this clip. new a— routine. can we see this clip. new a ker— routine. can we see this clip. now? a lot of— routine. can we see this clip. now? a lot of people have used rbre— now? a lot of people have used be re— now? a lot of people have used be re serr— now? a lot of people have used this to sort of— now? a lot of people have used this to sort of say— now? a lot of people have used this to sort of say it's really referr— this to sort of say it's really errerr rber— this to sort of say it's really unfair that this— this to sort of say it's really unfair that this person has been passed— unfair that this person has been passed rbre— unfair that this person has been passed this exam,— unfair that this person has been passed this exam, um, when other baker-r.— passed this exam, um, when other women haven't. but— passed this exam, um, when other

women haven't. but actually rber-e— women haven't. but actually rber-e rber-e— women haven't. but actually that's that's slight misreporting. this wasn't the. —gerrrrrg case. it wasn't someone getting rere— case. it wasn't someone getting intole— case. it wasn't someone getting irrele-rr— case. it wasn't someone getting rerele-rr wee- case. it wasn't someone getting into a it was someone into an a school. it was someone as into an a school. it was someone eelbebbw— into an a school. it was someone eelbebbw rekrbe— into an a school. it was someone aslhobby taking an— into an a school. it was someone as hobby taking an exam. and as a hobby taking an exam. and be— as a hobby taking an exam. and that-reasonable- as a hobby taking an exam. and that reasonable me . but that seems reasonable to me. but it's that seems reasonable to me. but rr-e-ekeer— that seems reasonable to me. but it's-clear that, _ that seems reasonable to me. but it's-clear that, .know. it's quite clear that, you know , rbe— it's quite clear that, you know , be women— it's quite clear that, you know , the woman is— it's quite clear that, you know , the woman is better at it. the young— , the woman is better at it. the youn9--— , the woman is better at it. the young-- rrber— , the woman is better at it. the young-- rrberlwew- , the woman is better at it. the young . what you think? young girl. what do you think? oh, young girl. what do you think? ob-ber— young girl. what do you think? ob-ber were— oh, yeah, but we're now comparing two people dancing. yes . like so i don't see it as yes. like so i don't see it as ee— yes. like so i don't see it as ee berr— yes. like so i don't see it as ee bore of— yes. like so i don't see it as ee bore of e— yes. like so i don't see it as as sort of a gender issue. i see it as sort of a gender issue. i see b ee— as sort of a gender issue. i see b ee just— as sort of a gender issue. i see it as just because— as sort of a gender issue. i see it as just because it's a hobby. kee- — it as just because it's a hobby. kee- arre— it as just because it's a hobby. kee- and be— it as just because it's a hobby. yes. and it's two— it as just because it's a hobby. yes. and it's two people just serr— yes. and it's two people just bore of— yes. and it's two people just sort of dancing— yes. and it's two people just sort of dancing .— yes. and it's two people just sort of dancing . yeah, it was sort of dancing. yeah, it was a bit sort of dancing. yeah, it was a be weer. — sort of dancing. yeah, it was a be weer. r— sort of dancing. yeah, it was a bit unfair. i thought- sort of dancing. yeah, it was a bit unfair. g bit unfair. i thought the way that this was sort of people were sort of piling on saying, oh, outrageous that this oh, it's an outrageous that this person could an exam. person could pass an exam. clearly but it clearly not as good, but it doesn't anyone that doesn't really do anyone that much harm, does it? what the much harm, does it? what was the exam _was for a ballet- exam for? it was for a ballet exam run-royal- exam for? it was for a ballet exam run royal academy, exam run by the royal academy, but-represented - exam run by the royal academy, but-represented as- exam run by the royal academy, but represented as coming but it was represented as coming rere— but it was represented as coming kerb-knew— but it was represented as coming kerb-knowle- but it was represented as coming into-know,-of the. into the, you know, part of the breebe. — into the, you know, part of the brewbe. abe — into the, you know, part of the troupe. and that— into the, you know, part of the troupe. "cage into the, you know, part of the troupe. "cane c troupe. and that really wasn't what it was, you know. right. but what but i really don't know what you weer— but i really don't know what you weer-re— but i really don't know what you weer-re eew— but i really don't know what you want-to say. the— but i really don't know what you want to say. the whole thing want me to say. the whole thing is want me to say. the whole thing be rbrewrr— want me to say. the whole thing be rbrewr me— want me to say. the whole thing is thrown me, unfortunately. i rbeeebr— is thrown me, unfortunately. i rbeeebr-ewre- thought you were quite an errerereee— thought you were quite an aficionado comes to aficionado when it comes to bekker. — aficionado when it comes to bekker. -e— aficionado when it comes to ballet.-a dance.- ballet. i'd like a dance. eerwrrrekw— ballet. i'd like a dance. genuinely. i— ballet. i'd like a dance. genuinely. i do. a man of ballet. i'd like a dance.- genuinely. i do.-a man of my genuinely. i do. for a man of my ebze— genuinely. i do. for a man of my ebele— genuinely. i do. for a man of my ebe|e very— genuinely. i do. for a man of my size.imove very-i'm- genuinely. i do. for a man of my size. move very i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my sbut move very i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my s but yeah; very i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my s but yeah; ve|i i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my sbut yeah.a ve|i don't i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my sbut yeah.a ve|i don't see sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my sbut yeah.a ve|i don't see the; . but yeah. no, i don't see the brebbem.— . but yeah. no, i don't see the brebbem. b— . but yeah. no, i don't see the

brebbem. r eew— . but yeah. no, i don't see the problem. i say if— . but yeah. no, i don't see the problem. i say if people want to bebee— problem. i say if people want to berree erre— problem. i say if people want to dance and pass— problem. i say if people want to dance and pass an— problem. i say if people want to dance and pass an exam, i think rbere-e— dance and pass an exam, i think rbere-e weree— dance and pass an exam, i think there's worse things going on in there's worse things going on in rbe-rbbbk— there's worse things going on in the-think there- the world. i think there probably anyway, probably is. anyway, look, next up, this this is up, we've got this one. this is the and non—binary model the writer and non—binary model jamie about jamie windust talking about pride. their pride. now this is their celebration in there, but i think what predominantly tends to happen it's cis, white, to happen is it's cis, white, gay and they're cis, white, gay men and they're cis, white, female friends. just kind of bewbrre— female friends. just kind of having ing— female friends. just kind of having ing fun,— female friends. just kind of having ing fun, but- : just kind of having ing fun, but not really rbbrkbre— having ing fun, but not really thinking about— having ing fun, but not really thinking about how that might feel thinking about how that might beer for— thinking about how that might feel for other— thinking about how that might feel for other people. and rber-e— feel for other people. and we rber— feel for other people. and that's that space. so this is a rew— that's that space. so this is a very odd one. so complaining that basically pride parades are too, too many white people, too many gay people, i mean, and everyone's having fun. is that is that a problem ? was the first is that a problem? was the first rbbbe— is that a problem? was the first rbbbe ebeer— is that a problem? was the first thing about dancing,— , was the first thing about dancing, because i'd like thing about dancing, because i'd bbke re— thing about dancing, because i'd bbke be 90— thing about dancing, because i'd bbke re ge beek— thing about dancing, because i'd like to go back to— thing about dancing, because i'd like to go back to that . i don't like to go back to that. i don't knew— like to go back to that. i don't krrew wbe— like to go back to that. i don't know who this— like to go back to that. i don't know who this person do you know we— know who this person do you know we r— know who this person do you know we b be— know who this person do you know what i do understand ? and from what i do understand? and from the what i do understand? and from be bebrrr— what i do understand? and from be bebrr er— what i do understand? and from the point of some— what i do understand? and from the point of some aim of my gay rrberee — the point of some aim of my gay rrberee se— the point of some aim of my gay friends. so for— the point of some aim of my gay friends. so for example, a breed— friends. so for example, a rrbere er— friends. so for example, a friend of mine,- friends. so for example, a friend of mine, glenn, who lives in friend of mine, glenn, who lives be brbebrew— friend of mine, glenn, who lives in brighton, had— friend of mine, glenn, who lives in brighton, had said a friend

of in brighton, had said a friend er bere— in brighton, had said a friend er bere rber— in brighton, had said a friend of hers that is— in brighton, had said a friend of hers that is a— in brighton, had said a friend of hers that is a point to this. are— of hers that is a point to this. are rbere— of hers that is a point to this. and there was— of hers that is a point to this. and there was over aim and there was an over aim ekebrebbe— and there was an over aim excitable-night- and there was an over aim excitable night and one of excitable hen night and one of beer — excitable hen night and one of beer bbr— excitable hen night and one of them bit into— excitable hen night and one of them bit into his— excitable hen night and one of them bit into his mate right now een-r— them bit into his mate right now een-r knew— them bit into his mate right now een-r krrew wbw— them bit into his mate right now don't know why but they bit into his don't know why but they bit into bbe mere— don't know why but they bit into bbe mere erre— don't know why but they bit into his mate and i— don't know why but they bit into his mate and i think a lot of gay— his mate and i think a lot of gay pewte— his mate and i think a lot of gay people are— his mate and i think a lot of gay people are like okay we een-r— gay people are like okay we beer—ee- gay people are like okay we don't—as many. gay people are like okay we- don't_as many places don't really have as many places bber— don't really have as many places we we— don't really have as many places we we eer— don't really have as many places we we 90— don't really have as many places that we can go and— don't really have as many places that we can go and we can feel eere— that we can go and we can feel eere br— that we can go and we can feel eere br wee— that we can go and we can feel safe if yes and— that we can go and we can feel safe if yes and when they're bebbe— safe if yes and when they're being infiltrated by people that are being infiltrated by people that mewbe— being infiltrated by people that are maybe coming to bite you are maybe coming in to bite you or are maybe coming in to bite you er wbebewer— are maybe coming in to bite you or whatever. but— are maybe coming in to bite you or whatever. but i— are maybe coming in to bite you or whatever. but i think if beebbe— or whatever. but i think if beebbe ee— or whatever. but i think if people are pride or whatever. but i think if people arelpride are people are a pride parade are bewbrre— people are a pride parade are bewbbe ree— people are a pride parade are having too-fun- people are a pride parade are having too-fun ,- people are a pride parade are having too fun , then having too much fun, then i webbe— having too much fun, then i wewbe beve— having too much fun, then i would have thought would having too much fun, then i woul

and they want to be there and say,— and they want to be there and eew — and they want to be there and say, no, we're here. like, say, no, we're here. but like, why— say, no, we're here. but like, why-vou— say, no, we're here. but like, wbwlwew-webb- say, no, we're here. but like, why you want people to why do you not want people to ewbberb—krebbl support your cause? well, i bbbbk— support your cause? well, i bbbbk bbe— support your cause? well, i think it's people just like to problematise say problematise things and say that everything is an issue. but then there's organiser over there's any pride organiser over there's any pride organiser over the to to the world now going to have to do of demographic kind do some kind of demographic kind of maybe, please. of totalling maybe, please. certain people. i don't know. no certain people. i don't know. we-ebwwew— certain people. i don't know. we-ebwwew .— certain people. i don't know. no-anyway , this- certain people. i don't know. no-anyway , this tweetl certain people. i don't know. - no-anyway , this tweet went no sense anyway, this tweet went viral i thought this viral this week. i thought this was quite interesting and this was quite interesting and this was and it said, our six was a tweet and it said, our six year us a note. his year old handed us a note. his teacher had called and teacher had called my wife and i in for an emergency meeting thing. our son he thing. we asked our son if he had why. he said she had any idea why. he said she didn't like a drawing. i did. and can see the drawing and you can see the drawing of the there could the family there could potentially disturbing. he potentially look disturbing. he went in the next day. we went in the next day. his teacher pulled the next day. his teacher pulled the drawing out said, the drawing below out and said, i family i asked him to draw his family and this . oh, would you i asked him to draw his family and explaining?. oh, would you i asked him to draw his family and explaining?. oh,atould you i asked him to draw his family and explaining?. oh,atouldmyj mind explaining? not at all. my wife said, vacation , wife said, family vacation, snorkelling off the bahamas . oh snorkelling off the bahamas. oh no . but i suppose you know , we no. but i suppose you know, we when i was a teacher, i think if i'd have got that, i might have called the parents. and i think. i think it's a reasonable

misunderstanding. i think the child just isn't very good at art. do knowi child just isn't very good at art. do know i love the fact art. do you know i love the fact it art. do you know i love the fact bb eeeberr-b— art. do you know i love the fact bb eeebeb-b be— art. do you know i love the fact it couldn't be any— do you know i love the fact it couldn't be any more of a rrebbreee— it couldn't be any more of a waitrose answer?- it couldn't be any more of a waitrose answer? snorkelling bee— waitrose answer? snorkelling beer-web— waitrose answer? snorkelling we we ger— waitrose answer? snorkelling he's just got joan collins wrbbberr— he's just got joan collins written all— he's just got joan collins written all over it , doesn't it? written all over it, doesn't it? keeb. — written all over it, doesn't it? keeb. b— written all over it, doesn't it? keeb. b beer— written all over it, doesn't it? yeah. i mean i— written all over it, doesn't it? yeah. i mean i can see with the bbebwe— yeah. i mean i can see with the bbebwre wbw— yeah. i mean i can see with the bbebwre wbw wee— yeah. i mean i can see with the picture why you might . i thought picture why you might. i thought bbew— picture why you might. i thought bbew ebb— picture why you might. i thought bbew ebb kbre— picture why you might. i thought they all kind of— picture why you might. i thought they all kind of looked like the beer— they all kind of looked like the bbbbeb—b— they all kind of looked like the eiffel—i thought- eiffel tower and i thought bbew-e— eiffel tower and i thought. bbew-e—rreree eiffel tower and i thought- they'd_france or they'd maybe been to france or wbebewer. — they'd maybe been to france or whatever. _clearly- they'd maybe been to france or whatever. clearly not. whatever. and, but clearly not. bbew-we— whatever. and, but clearly not. they've snorkelling, they've been snorkelling, brew-we— they've been snorkelling, they've snorkel they've been snorkelling,- they've _snorkel ing. they've just been snorkel ing. it they've just been snorkel ing. bb be. — they've just been snorkel ing. bb be. r— they've just been snorkel ing. bb be. r beek— they've just been snorkel ing. it is. i feel sorry— they've just been snorkel ing. it is. i feel sorry for— they've just been snorkel ing. it is. i feel sorry for the- they've just been snorkel ing. a lucky child can't draw that has holiday. what did you has lovely holiday. what did you bbbrk— has lovely holiday. what did you bbbrklbbbe— has lovely holiday. what did you think-this, diane? _ has lovely holiday. what did you think-this, diane? ithink- think of this, diane? i think bbe— think of this, diane? i think it's hilarious because my sister when she was younger, bless her, she a picture of fireworks she drew a picture of fireworks night she drew all the night and she drew all the rockets , but she drew on rockets, but she drew them on the floor as well as in the sky. but the way that she drew the rockets was in one swift motion but the way that she drew the r

b-bb— yes, yes, yes. it's a minefield. b-bb berk— yes, yes, yes. it's a minefield. b-bb bebb wee— yes, yes, yes. it's a minefield. i'll tell you that. _ yes, yes, yes. it's a minefield. i'll tell you that. anyway, this is i'll tell you that. anyway, this be bbe— i'll tell you that. anyway, this be bbe beeb— i'll tell you that. anyway, this is the last part— i'll tell you that. anyway, this is the last part of— i'll tell you that. anyway, this is the last part of the show were— is the last part of the show wbere we— is the last part of the show where we talk— is the last part of the show where we talk through your wrbbbberee— where we talk through your unfiltered dilemmas. so do bberke— unfiltered dilemmas. so do bberrke very— unfiltered dilemmas. so do thanks very much. you often send in thanks very much. you often send be weer— thanks very much. you often send in your problems. _ thanks very much. you often send in your problems. dilemma in your problems. this dilemma eeene—brew- in your problems. this dilemma came _tracy has. came in from tracy. tracy has eewe— came in from tracy. tracy has eebelberbrrer— came in from tracy. tracy has said,-partner has- came in from tracy. tracy has said, partner has always been said, my partner has always been in said, my partner has always been bb—reeerbbw- said, my partner has always been br—reeerbbw bel in good shape, but recently he bee— in good shape, but recently he bee-beb— in good shape, but recently he bee-beb eb— in good shape, but recently he has-lot of weight. i in good shape, but recently he has lot of weight. i has gained a lot of weight. i een-b— has gained a lot of weight. i een-b mbre— has gained a lot of weight. i een-b mbbe e— has gained a lot of weight. i don't mind a dad bod, but are we eebbbre— don't mind a dad bod, but are we gebbbreg merrbee— don't mind a dad bod, but are we getting married ?_ don't mind a dad bod, but are we getting married ? we are getting getting married? we are getting merrbee—eer-b- getting married? we are getting married don't want to married soon and i don't want to merry— married soon and i don't want to merry e— married soon and i don't want to merry e beb— married soon and i don't want to marry a fat husband . do i? tell marry a fat husband. do i? tell bbm— marry a fat husband. do i? tell bbm be-e— marry a fat husband. do i? tell bbm be-e bee— marry a fat husband. do i? tell him he's too fat— marry a fat husband. do i? tell him he's too fat ?_ marry a fat husband. do i? tell him he's too fat ? this is him he's too fat? this is ewreeewbge — him he's too fat? this is outrageous, you're fat outrageous, tracy. you're fat ebembrre— outrageous, tracy. you're fat eberrbrrg weer— outrageous, tracy. you're fat shaming your partner. diane. any bbewebbee— shaming your partner. diane. any thoughts? well— shaming your partner. diane. any thoughts? well diane's actually berrbbbee— thoughts? well diane's actually berrbbbee by— thoughts? well diane's actually horrified by this.— thoughts? well diane's actually horrified by this. yeah she's breew. — horrified by this. yeah she's tracy. seems— horrified by this. yeah she's tracy. seems very- horrified by this. yeah she's tracy. f tracy. seems very callous. well, i wouldn't— tracy. seems very callous. well, i wouldn't marry- tracy. f well, i wouldn't marry tracy. i bbbrrk— well, i wouldn't marry tracy. i bbbbk bbeb-e— well, i wouldn't marry tracy. i think that's the— well, i wouldn't marry tracy. i think that's the answer to this rbreb— think that's the answer to this rbreb eb— think that's the answer to this one. first of all,— think that's the answer to this one. first of all, what- think that's the answer to this one. first of all, what does tracy look like? yeah biscuits is tracy had recently. that's the question we're asking now. i speak as someone that was 21 stone last year and down at 16 i've got two stone, two gold. no, no, no . you must never clap no, no, no. you must never clap for weight loss. now apparently that's bad thing . i that's it's a bad thing. i learned a podcast during learned that on a podcast during the someone had the fringe from someone that had a gastric sleeve. but

a stomach gastric sleeve. but anyway, we'll move on. my point is that apparently you're not allowed to see the world so allowed to see the world fat, so long lorraine kelly got me long shot. lorraine kelly got me a deal with a diet company right? names and because right? no names and because i don't think we're allowed to advertise and i remember being on zoom these people that on a zoom with these people that did the diet and they were like, it's amazing. you said word it's amazing. you said the word fat not allowed it's amazing. you said the word fatsay not allowed it's amazing. you said the word fatsay the not allowed it's amazing. you said the word fatsay the word not allowed it's amazing. you said the word fatsay the word anymore. 3d it's amazing. you said the word fatsay the word anymore. if to say the word fat anymore. if you're and you want to be you're a man and you want to be body positive, you have to say rugby a thick and with rugby build or a thick and with a size a woman, it's plus size voluptuous. note , i'm voluptuous. on that note, i'm going have to put an to going to have to put an end to this. put those biscuits away. thanks joining us this. put those biscuits away. thefree joining us this. put those biscuits away. thefree speech joining us this. put those biscuits away. thefree speech nation. thiss this. put those biscuits away. thefree speech nation. this was for free speech nation. this was the when for free speech nation. this was bbe-wbere bree— for free speech nation. this was the-when elon musk- for free speech nation. this was the-when elon musk took. for free speech nation. this was. the _when elon musk took the the week when elon musk took the beeb— beeb to the cleaners. we ebeeewer— beeb to the cleaners. we- discover—dickens discover that charles dickens bb— discover that charles dickens be beeb— discover that charles dickens was in fact sexy— discover that charles dickens was in fact sexy and the prime rrbebeber— was in fact sexy and the prime minister confirmed that women do not minister confirmed that women do eeb—ber- not have penises. thanks for beeb— not have penises. thanks for ihate—youl not have penises. thanks for| eeae—yo. be not have penises. thanks for- eeae—yo. be my that, rishi, and thank you to my beer,— that, rishi, and thank you to my beeeb—bbeee- that, rishi, and thank you to my panel,-diane, to- that, rishi, and thank you to my panel, diane, to my panel, bruce and diane, to my all panel, bruce and diane, to my ebb rew— panel, bruce and diane, to my all my wonderful— panel, bruce and diane, to my all my wonderful and by all my wonderful guests. and by the all my wonderful guests. and by bbe-weer— all my wonderful guests. and by bbe-weer be— all my wonderful guests. and by the _want to-us- the way, you want to join us be— the way, you want to join us bbwelbbe — the way, you want to join us live-the studio- the way, you want to join us live-the studio ,- the way, you want to join us live the studio , be part of live in the studio, be part of our wonderful— live in the studio, be part of our wonderful audience. can our wonderful audience. you can do our wonderful audience. you can bbe—be— our wonderful audience. you can bbe—be biw- our wonderful audience. you can bbe—be ww beb- our wonderful audience. you can do _to ww dot sroi do that just go to ww dot sro audiences.com. _ do that just go to ww dot sro audiences.com. that's on the rbebb— audiences.com. that's on the screen right now— audiences.com. that's on the screen right now and come along eee— screen right now and come along eee ebew— screen right now and come along eee ebew beeee— screen right now and come along and stay tuned tonight for the brbbbbeeb— and stay tuned tonight for the brilliant mark— and stay tuned tonight for the brilliant mark dolan tonight bbeb-e—

brilliant mark dolan tonight bbeb-e-kee- brilliant mark dolan tonight that's and don't forget that's on next and don't forget the headliners— that's on next and don't forget the headliners is— that's on next and don't forget the headliners is on at 11 p.m. beer-e— the headliners is on at 11 p.m. bbeb-e bbe— the headliners is on at 11 p.m. that's the late— the headliners is on at 11 p.m. that's the late night paper brewbew— that's the late night paper preview-see- that's the late night paper preview see you next week preview show. see you next week . bebbe— preview show. see you next week . bebbe bbere. — preview show. see you next week . hello there. i'm— preview show. see you next week . hello there. g . hello there. i'm craig snell. here is your latest forecast on the metrics as we go through the week ahead. it is set to be largely dry and settled for a lot of the country feeling quite warm in the sunshine. but you warm in the sunshine. but if you do live along the north sea, it's chilly it's going to be pretty chilly at so the at times. so here's the situation. at the moment, we've got to got high pressure beginning to build country. got high pressure beginning to builallowing country. got high pressure beginning to builallowing these country. got high pressure beginning to builallowing these weather it's allowing these weather fronts graduallyweaken, it's allowing these weather fronts gradually weaken, but fronts to gradually weaken, but it going leave behind it is going to leave behind quite overnight. quite a lot of cloud overnight. so lot of the country, so for a lot of the country, quite overcast night. quite an overcast night. some spits spots of rain at spits and spots of rain at times, across england times, too. and across england and wales, it could turn quite misty murky, especially misty and murky, especially across ground. across the high ground. so just be that as we go be a bit wary of that as we go through the course the night through the course of the night . clearest skies up . clearest of the skies up across scotland where across northern scotland where here see touch here we could just see a touch of frost. most of us, of frost. so for most of us, it's going to be a bit of a grey, damp start to the new working week. spits working week. some spits and spots places . spots of rain in places. sunshine from word go though sunshine from the word go though for of northern scotland for parts of northern scotland and for northern and it does improve for northern ireland the morning and it does improve for northern irelethen the morning

and it does improve for northern irelethen eventuallyhe morning and it does improve for northern irelethen eventually int0iorning and it does improve for northern irelethen eventually into parts; and then eventually into parts of lincolnshire. anglia and of lincolnshire. east anglia and the england. as we the south—east of england. as we go through the course of the afternoon. where we do see afternoon. so where we do see the sunshine feeling quite warm, temperatures 18, temperatures reaching 17, 18, possibly as and then possibly 19 degrees as and then that sunshine will spread its way a little bit further into the midlands as we go into the evening. late sunshine evening. so some late sunshine here, the further west you here, but the further west you are hanging the cloud for are hanging on to the cloud for the of monday evening . the majority of monday evening. and then overnight really a mixture of cloud clear mixture of cloud and clear spells the country . the spells across the country. the cloud again picking up at times, especially across scotland to produce spits and spots of especially across scotland to prodiand spits and spots of especially across scotland to prodiand again,)its and spots of especially across scotland to prodiand again, quiteid spots of especially across scotland to prodiand again, quite murkys of rain. and again, quite murky across some high ground of england and wales. temperatures is falling to around 5 to 6 degrees for most towns and cities. so then on tuesday , a cities. so then on tuesday, a bit of a grey, murky start again across some central parts of the country. but the sunshine will quickly get to work on that cloud so plenty of cloud on tuesday. so plenty of sunshine as we into the sunshine as we go into the afternoon and in the sunshine feeling pleasantly warm, although mentioned the although as i mentioned in the north sea, it will feel pretty chilly are living along

chilly if you are living along that coastline wednesday, thursday, similar, thursday, pretty similar, although a risk of a shower in the .

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i'll truth bombs in my take at ten, m be— truth bombs in my take at ten, i'll be dealing— truth bombs in my take at ten, i'll be dealing with the ewerbebe—