neither think it is reasonable or fair. — neither think it is reasonable or fair. n— neither think it is reasonable orfair. n is— neither think it is reasonable or fair. it is a— neither think it is reasonable or fair. it is a short term approach— or fair. it is a short term approach that- or fair. it is a short term approach that plugs a gap by giving— approach that plugs a gap by giving them— approach that plugs a gap by giving iiiem a— approach that plugs a gap by giving them a one off. what they have— giving them a one off. what they have described— giving them a one off. what they have described as— giving them a one off. what they have described as a bonus. iiiai-s— have described as a bonus. that's certainly— have described as a bonus. that's certainly not going to address— that's certainly not going to address the— that's certainly not going to address the fundamental crisis iiiai— address the fundamental crisis that we— address the fundamental crisis that we have— address the fundamental crisis that we have got— address the fundamental crisis that we have got within our nursing— that we have got within our nursing profession or within the nis— nursing profession or within the was .— nursing profession or within the was . iaioui— nursing profession or within the nhs . labour has— nursing profession or within the nhs . labour has vowed to end nhs. labour has vowed to end what— nhs. labour has vowed to end wigi ii— nhs. labour has vowed to end what it describes— nhs. labour has vowed to end what it describes as a postcode ioiieiy— what it describes as a postcode ioiieiy for— what it describes as a postcode ioiieiy for ei— what it describes as a postcode lottery for gp appointments if it lottery for gp appointments if i win— lottery for gp appointments if i ine— lottery for gp appointments if it wins the next— lottery for gp appointments if it wins the next election. the party— it wins the next election. the party says— it wins the next election. the party says up— it wins the next election. the party says up to_ it wins the next election. the party says up to three quarters of patients in some parts of england aren't able to see their doctor of choice and only half the number of appointments are held face to face. labour's promising to double the number of doctors trained every year to 15,000 per. plans to build new smart motorways are being cancelled over safety concerns , cancelled over safety concerns, cost and low public confidence . cost and low public confidence. the government has confirmed 14 planned projects have been scrapped and existing stretches will be made safer. campaign is demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart

motorways . the british motorways. the british horseracing authority has condemned protesters who delayed the grand national. 118 people were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday , slightly event yesterday, slightly delaying the start of the race. activists from animal rising are calling for jump activists from animal rising are calling forjump racing to be calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at aintree. and they've warned further protests will take place this summer. the bucha says it will be a painstaking analysis to determine what caused the deaths . the head of to determine what caused the deaths. the head of sudan's army and paramilitary have agreed to and paramilitary have agreed to a three hour humanitarian pause in fighting. at least 56 civilians have been killed and almost 600 injured as both forces battle for control across the capital, khartoum. global leaders have been holding crisis talks to try to bring an end to the conflict. both sides claim to have taken the airport presidential palace and state tv, which has since had its transmission cut. tens tions have escalated as political

factions negotiate over a proposed transition to civilian rule following a military coup in 2021 and more than 6000 members of the armed forces will be taking part in the king's coronation next month. thousands of veterans and nhs workers have also been invited to watch the historic event from a special grandstand in front of buckingham palace. the culture secretary says it's a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's over to free speech nation . away . elon musk elon musk grapples with . away. elon musk grapples with the . away. elon musk grapples with inn inc— . away. elon musk grapples with the bbc publishers— elon musk grapples with the bbc publishers censor pg , the bbc publishers censor pg, wooinonse— the bbc publishers censor pg, woodhouse and— the bbc publishers censor pg, woodhouse and rishi sunak claims that woodhouse and rishi sunak claims inni onw— woodhouse and rishi sunak claims inni only women— woodhouse and rishi sunak claims that only women that women do not that only women that women do noi in— that only women that women do noi in inci— that only women that women do not in fact have— that only women that women do not in fact have penises . not in fact have penises. inen-s— not in fact have penises. there's loads— not in fact have penises. there's loads of bombshells like

inni— there's loads of bombshells like inni ionigni. — there's loads of bombshells like that tonight. free— there's loads of bombshells like that tonight. free speech wniion. — that tonight. free speech nation. thank— that tonight. free speech nation. thank you very much . so nation. thank you very much. so weione— nation. thank you very much. so wionne io— nation. thank you very much. so welcome to free— nation. thank you very much. so welcome to free speech nation wiin— welcome to free speech nation wiin ne— welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew— welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so on ionigni-s— with me, andrew doyle. so on tonight's show,— with me, andrew doyle. so on tonight's show, i'm going to be cnniiing— tonight's show, i'm going to be cnniiing io— tonight's show, i'm going to be chatting to none— tonight's show, i'm going to be chatting to none other than john cieese— chatting to none other than john cieese ginni— chatting to none other than john cleese about comedy and cneniiwiiw— cleese about comedy and. creativity, _ python cleese about comedy and- creativity,_python and creativity, the monty python and inwiiw— creativity, the monty python and inwiiw-iegeni— creativity, the monty python and fawlty legend will be fawlty towers legend will be wiin— fawlty towers legend will be win is— fawlty towers legend will be win is in— fawlty towers legend will be with us in the— fawlty towers legend will be with us in the studio very, very shorflv- — with us in the studio very, very shortly. -tonight,- with us in the studio very, very shortly. tonight, the shortly. and also tonight, the incin— shortly. and also tonight, the dancer-forced- shortly. and also tonight, the dancer-forced to- shortly. and also tonight, the dancer forced to resign dancer who was forced to resign inn—is- dancer who was forced to resign inn—is backl from her own company is back win— from her own company is back win-inning— from her own company is back with dancing troupe. this with a new dancing troupe. this is rosie— with a new dancing troupe. this is iisii inw— with a new dancing troupe. this is rosie kay, who's— with a new dancing troupe. this is rosie kay, who's going to ion— is rosie kay, who's going to in us— is rosie kay, who's going to in in ii— is rosie kay, who's going to join us to talk— is rosie kay, who's going to. join us to talk-fight join us to talk about her fight for join us to talk about her fight iii-ii— join us to talk about her fight for-of expression. . join us to talk about her fight for of expression. and for freedom of expression. and wing-i— for freedom of expression. and we're-to .joined- we're going to be joined by iecnniiigw— we're going to be joined by technology andrew technology journalist andrew oniwsii— technology journalist andrew orlowski -the - technology journalist andrew orlowski the question, is orlowski to ask the question, is the orlowski to ask the question, is ini minn— orlowski to ask the question, is the modern workplace a hive of iiieniss— the modern workplace a hive of iiiiness i— the modern workplace a hive of idleness .7 oh,— the modern workplace a hive of idleness .7 oh, and— the modern workplace a hive of idleness .7 oh, and i've also got idleness? oh, and i've also got winiinni— idleness.7 oh, and i've also got wonderful studio— idleness.7 oh, and i've also got wonderful studio guest idleness? oh, and i've also got wonderful studio guest tonight. the comedians— wonderful studio guest tonight. the comedians bruce devlin and diane— the comedians bruce devlin and diane snincin— the comedians bruce devlin and diane snencin .— the comedians bruce devlin and diane spencer . hello. welcome diane spencer. hello. welcome iiin— diane spencer. hello. welcome iiin .— diane spencer. hello. welcome iiin . diane,— diane spencer. hello. welcome both . diane, you've been making both. diane, you've been making wigg— both. diane, you've been making inige. i— both. diane, you've been making inige. i saw— both. diane, you've been making inige. i you— both. diane, you've been making fudge. i saw you handing fudge out fudge. i saw you handing fudge iii ii— fudge. i saw you handing fudge out to everyone— fudge. i saw you handing fudge out to everyone before the show. i out to everyone before the show. i nave.— out to everyone before the show. i nave. i-we— out to everyone before the show. i nine. in gone— out to everyone before the show. i have. i've gone with— out to everyone before the show. i have. i've gone with a- out to everyone before the show. i have. i've gone with a lemon sicilian lemon meringue biscuit base, white chocolate in the middle. i have got i'll have to bring. you're so posh. this is

unbelievable.— bring. you're so posh. this is unbelievable. what- g /i:::i. this is unbelievable. what you're the wni— unbelievable. what you're the wni wini— unbelievable. what you're the one who went on— unbelievable. what you're the one who went on holiday to ciin. — one who went on holiday to ciin. ven— one who went on holiday to capri. yes. and— one who went on holiday to capri. “4115 i: ”it; one who went on holiday to capri. v/iis i: g capri. yes. and you're telling me that i'm posh? actually, it's capri. me that i'm posh? actually, it's ciin. anyway,— me that i'm posh? actually, it's ciin. anyway, si— me that i'm posh? actually, it's capri. anyway, so let's- , actually, it's capri. anyway, so let's get that nigni. — capri. anyway, so let's get that nigni. inni— capri. anyway, so let's get that right. bruce, how— capri. anyway, so let's get that right. bruce, how are you this week?— right. bruce, how are you this week? i— right. bruce, how are you this week? i win— right. bruce, how are you this week? i was in— right. bruce, how are you this week? i was in sun capri sun, wnicn— week? i was in sun capri sun, which actually— week? i was in sun capri sun, which actually makes it sound a lot which actually makes it sound a iii iniiiin— which actually makes it sound a lot cheaper than— which actually makes it sound a lot cheaper than it— which actually makes it sound a lot cheaper than it is. i know who— lot cheaper than it is. i know win you— lot cheaper than it is. i know win you wee— lot cheaper than it is. i know who you were away with, and they are cheap. i'm fine, thank you. how are you? i'm okay. you know, just okay. just okay. well, we've got john cleese coming up, which will be fantastic. and lots brilliant guests lots of brilliant guests tonight, also have a tonight, but we also have a wonderful studio audience and i'd to get questions i'd love to get some questions from them. so we're going to i'd love to get some questions from withl. so we're going to i'd love to get some questions from withl. question going to i'd love to get some questions from withl. question going lynn. start with a question from lynn. yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon iinei— yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon iinei nw— yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon iinei ii— yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon musk now at-with- yes, hello, lynn. hello. is elon musk now at-with the- v/iis g” hello. is elon musk now at with the bbc? musk now at war with the bbc? vein.— musk now at war with the bbc? vein. se— musk now at war with the bbc? vein. sen-wis— musk now at war with the bbc? vein. se-wns n— musk now at war with the bbc? yeah, so -was a fascinating. yeah, so this was a fascinating one this week. twitter one this week. so the twitter owner, course, musk, has owner, of course, elon musk, has accused bbc reporter of accused the bbc reporter of lying an interview and we lying during an interview and we actually have a snippet from the interview because it was a bit of a car crash. let's have a look. and if and you just said that if something is slightly sexist, that's hateful content, does that mean that it should be banned? well, you've asked me

wen-we— banned? well, you've asked me wen-we neiei— banned? well, you've asked me you've asked me— 3“ well, you've asked me you've asked me whether my feed , wneinen— you've asked me whether my feed , wneinen ii-e— you've asked me whether my feed , whether it's got— you've asked me whether my feed , whether it's got less or more, i'd , whether it's got less or more, i-i sav— , whether it's got less or more, i-i say in— , whether it's got less or more, i-i say we gei— , whether it's got less or more, i'd say it's got slightly more. innin— i'd say it's got slightly more. inni-s wini— i'd say it's got slightly more. that's what-asking- i'd say it's got slightly more. that's what-asking for. . that's what i'm asking for. examples. name one examples. can you name one example? i honestly don't nineeiiw— example? i honestly don't honestly,ican't- iixi? , i honestly don't honestly, can't name a single honestly, i can't name a single example-— honestly, i can't name a single example- iii— honestly, i can't name a single example. i'll tell— honestly, i can't name a single example. i'll tell you why, because— example. i'll tell you why, because i— example. i'll tell you why, because i don't- example. i'll tell you why, because i don't actually use inni— because i don't actually use inii-ieei— because i don't actually use that feed anymore that for you feed anymore because— that for you feed anymore because i— that for you feed anymore because i-don't- because i just don't particularly- because i just don't particularly it. because i just don't particularly-it. you particularly like it. but you eiii— particularly like it. but you eiii vou— particularly like it. but you eiii you i— particularly like it. but you said you a lot— particularly like it. but you said you a lot of people, a lot of neenie— said you a lot of people, a lot of neenie ne— said you a lot of people, a lot of people are quite similar. i inw— of people are quite similar. i only inw— of people are quite similar. i only only ieei— of people are quite similar. i only only look at. ge only only look at. hang on a second. you said you've seen more hateful content, you more hateful content, but you can't single example. not can't name a single example. not even sure i've used even one. i'm not sure i've used that feed for last or that feed for the last 3 or 4 weeks and well, then how did you see hateful content? because see the hateful content? because i've been i've been using it. i've been i've been using it. i've been i've been using it. i've been using twitter since wen-we— i've been using twitter since wen-we iiien— i've been using twitter since you've taken it— i've been using twitter since you've taken it over for the ini— you've taken it over for the iiei—oinw. i you've taken it over for thej iiei—oinw. so you've taken it over for the- last_okay. so then you've taken it over for the- last must-okay. so then you've taken it over for the- last must have-okay. so then you've taken it over for the- last must have athkay. so then you've taken it over for the- last must have at some so then you've taken it over for the- last must have at some pointien you've taken it over for the- last must have at some point seen you must have at some point seen that you for your hateful content. asking one content. and i'm asking for one example. right. you can't example. all right. you can't give one. and i'm give a simple one. and i'm saying i give a simple one. and i'm saying i inen— give a simple one. and i'm saying i then i— give a simple one. and i'm saying i then i say- give a simple one. and i'm saying i then i say so- g and i'm saying i then i say so that you ion-i— saying i then i say so that you in knew— saying i then i say so that you don't know what— saying i then i say so that you don't know what you're talking iieni. — don't know what you're talking iieni. inn— don't know what you're talking about. i'm cringing- don't know what you're talking about. if g g i: don't know what you're talking about. g g about. i'm cringing quite a lot while i that. so the while i watch that. so the interviewer, clayton interviewer, james clayton there, said there, is effectively said to elon you know, there's elon musk, you know, there's been increase hate speech been an increase of hate speech on platform. i've seen

on your platform. i've seen loads it on my feed. elon loads of it on my feed. and elon musk, says, musk, not unreasonably, says, can give me an example of can you give me an example of what seen and james what you've seen and james clayton has to say, well, i haven't anything. clayton has to say, well, i haven't looking anything. clayton has to say, well, i haven't looking at anything. clayton has to say, well, i haven't looking at it. ithing. clayton has to say, well, i haven't looking at it. i am g. i've been looking at it. i am absolutely i'm amazed- g c i am absolutely i'm amazed that he weni— absolutely i'm amazed that he weni in— absolutely i'm amazed that he weni in win— absolutely i'm amazed that he went in with this— absolutely i'm amazed that he went in with this with no neeeinie— went in with this with no neeeinie ii — went in with this with no receipts to show. and he's there neiiing— receipts to show. and he's there neiiinginnene— receipts to show. and he's there holding-phone as- receipts to show. and he's there holding phone as he's holding his phone as he's iiiiing— holding his phone as he's talking-elon- holding his phone as he's talking elon musk. if it's talking to elon musk. if it's inne— talking to elon musk. if it's inne, ne— talking to elon musk. if it's true, he literally talking to elon musk. if it's. true, he-literally-up true, he could literally pick up his_,_ true, he could literally pick up nie-, ewiien— true, he could literally pick up his-, switch on- true, he could literally pick up his , switch on twitter his phone, switch on his twitter ini— his phone, switch on his twitter ini-iiigni.— his phone, switch on his twitter ini-iiigni. ini- his phone, switch on his twitter and-right. but he- and go look. right. but he ieeen-i. — and go look. right. but he doesn't. well,— and go look. right. but he doesn't. well, it- and go look. right. but he doesn't. �*fii�*iicc g g doesn't. well, it feels a bit like he's just following a narrative is this narrative there is this narrative, this idea that suddenly awash with suddenly twitter is awash with hate mean, you're hate speech. i mean, you're quite hate speech. i mean, you're quhe on hate speech. i mean, you're quite on twitter, to be quite hateful on twitter, to be fair, you? i haven't fair, aren't you? i haven't tweeted in ages. thank you very mien.— tweeted in ages. thank you very nien. i— tweeted in ages. thank you very nien. i wie— tweeted in ages. thank you very nien. i i— tweeted in ages. thank you very much. i was a victim— tweeted in ages. thank you very much. i was a victim for- : i 3 thank you very much. i was a victim for once insi— much. i was a victim for once we nigni.— much. i was a victim for once last night. not— much. i was a victim for once last night. not the perpetrator. sinneene— last night. not the perpetrator. someone -scottish - last night. not the perpetrator. someone scottish guy on someone said the scottish guy on neiiiinene.— someone said the scottish guy on neiiiinene. n— someone said the scottish guy on headliners. is-a_ someone said the scottish guy on headliners. is a wig? headliners. is that a wig? i ineigni— headliners. is that a wig? i inengni, new— headliners. is that a wig? i thought, how rude. how rude that is thought, how rude. how rude that inn—e - thought, how rude. how rude that inn—e innin- is definitely hates me. that's inning— horrible, isn't it? absolutely. vein. — horrible, isn't it? absolutely. yeah. someone _ horrible, isn't it? absolutely. yeah. someone went.- g g?’ absolutely. yeah. someone went. i love him ini— yeah. someone went. i love him ini nie— yeah. someone went. i love him ini nie wig.— yeah. someone went. i love him ini nie wig. si— yeah. someone went. i love him and his wig. so that kind of iiiinee— and his wig. so that kind of balance balances okay and his wig. so that kind of- balance balances-okay what balance balances out. okay what do balance balances out. okay what ie-inini— balance balances out. okay what do-think about— balance balances out. okay what do think about when you do you think about it when you know, you're interviewing know, when you're interviewing someone of this? i you someone of this? i mean, you know, false know, you don't make false claims, and if you claims, you know, and if you realise you've made false realise you've made a false claim, it, don't claim, you retract it, don't you? dont claim, you retract it, don't you? don't dig deeper. i

you? you don't dig deeper. i know. think if you're going to know. i think if you're going to make— know. i think if you're going to niieliiiee— know. i think if you're going to make lfalse-either- know. i think if you're going to make false either go make a false claim, either go win— make a false claim, either go wiin ii— make a false claim, either go with it properly. _ make a false claim, either go with it properly. yeah or say neiniiiw— with it properly. yeah or say neiniiiw-i-we— with it properly. yeah or say actually i've made that all actually no, i've made that all up- — actually no, i've made that all up- -i_ actually no, i've made that all in. -i conne— actually no, i've made that all in-i ii- actually no, i've made that all up.-i come to work- up. i mean i come to work nnenenei— up. i mean i come to work nneninei. — up. i mean i come to work nneninei. -v°u- up. i mean i come to work prepared. -you do.i up. i mean i come to work prepared. ii i up. i mean i come to work- prepared. -you do. ido. prepared. yeah, you do. i do. vein.— prepared. yeah, you do. i do. vein. vei— prepared. yeah, you do. i do. yeah. you absolutely- prepared. / iiiii ido. yeah. you absolutely do. you weiiin-i— yeah. you absolutely do. you wouldn't think— yeah. you absolutely do. you wouldn't think it, but you know, inni— wouldn't think it, but you know, inn-insi— wouldn't think it, but you know, inii-iiei ii— wouldn't think it, but you know, that-just it was— that was just it was embarrassing. it was really eniinnieeing.— embarrassing. it was really embarrassing. elon had embarrassing. like elon had become— embarrassing. like elon had become journalist. he'd become the journalist. he'd ieeenne— become the journalist. he'd - ieeene—inni-s become the exactly. and that's winin— become the exactly. and that's what's interesting what's quite interesting about it. know. sorry should it. but, you know. sorry should have done in it. but, you know. sorry should have-done in a— it. but, you know. sorry should have-done in a tesla- it. but, you know. sorry should have-done in a tesla likei have been done in a tesla like ignee— have been done in a tesla like innee-wnen— have been done in a tesla like. james-when-singing. james corden when he's singing. they— james corden when he's singing. t hey—going. they should have been going winni— they should have been going around driving.— they should have been going around driving. of course they enenii. — around driving. of course they enenii. ninew— around driving. of course they should. -they - how - around driving. of course they should. they how long should. but they see how long inew— should. but they see how long inew-ine— should. but they see how long they-the charge.- should. but they see how long they the charge. this they got for the charge. this is why— they got for the charge. this is wnw-enenii— they got for the charge. this is why should producing why you should be producing ineee— why you should be producing these-should- why you should be producing these-should be. why you should be producing these should be on these shows. it should be on inen. — these shows. it should be on wen-lini— these shows. it should be on them.idon't-to- these shows. it should be on them.idon't-to be- these shows. it should be on them. don't to be behind them. i don't want to be behind them. i don't want to be behind ine-iisien.— them. i don't want to be behind the-listen, we've- them. i don't want to be behind the-listen, we've gotl the camera. listen, we've got another question now from theresa. theresa? theresa. where's theresa? theresa. where's theresa? theresa the tide theresa here? yeah. is the tide inning— theresa here? yeah. is the tide inning-en— theresa here? yeah. is the tide innninglen jk_ theresa here? yeah. is the tide turning-on jk rowling- “iii? yeah. is the tide turning on jk rowling jk turning on on jk rowling jk iiiwiing. — turning on on jk rowling jk rowling. a lot rowling. and we've talked a lot about rowling on this show, about jk rowling on this show, but now we have another reason to because there's series. to because there's a new series. it's going be a new it's going to be a new television adaptation by warner brothers discovery and but what's this what's different about this is where has this been a lot of sort hyper reactions jk sort of hyper reactions to jk rowling rowling? you know, they had and didn't had that reunion and they didn't invite like this. invite her and things like this. well, she's going

well, now she's going to be executive producer show, executive producer on this show, strikes me as fair enough, bruce, given that she wrote the thing. yeah, think thing. you know. yeah, i think whatever her, whatever you think of her, i think you have to let her come a lot. imean, think you have to let her come a lot. i mean, i think it's a bit wie— lot. i mean, i think it's a bit nnie inni— lot. i mean, i think it's a bit rude that the— lot. i mean, i think it's a bit rude that the cast- i mean, i think it's a bit rude that the cast of a thing inni— rude that the cast of a thing we ene— rude that the cast of a thing that she wrote— rude that the cast of a thing that she wrote didn't invite nen. — that she wrote didn't invite nen. vein— that she wrote didn't invite her. yeah, it's— that she wrote didn't invite her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it? vein— her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it? vein in— her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it? vein in i— her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it? yeah, it's a bit.— her. yeah, it's odd, isn't it? yeah, it's a bit. but then we wene-iieni- yeah, it's a bit. but then we were-about that,- yeah, it's a bit. but then we were about that, weren't were talking about that, weren't wee— were talking about that, weren't wee-ii— were talking about that, weren't we?-if-disagree. we? can you, if you disagree win— we? can you, if you disagree wiin nen— we? can you, if you disagree with her views— we? can you, if you disagree with her views and what she sewe— with her views and what she ewe-wen— with her views and what she says, you disassociate says, can you disassociate genie— says, can you disassociate. genie—ii create that with your love of ne— create that with your love of nen weni. — create that with your love of her work. well— create that with your love of her work. �*fii�*iicc g her work. well that's the big question, you question, isn't it? but, you know, i would i would suggest that she hasn't said anything offensive. know, she's offensive. you know, she's accused of saying transphobic things. single things. i've never seen a single transphobic said. transphobic thing that she said. i don't that's i i don't think that's true. i think just that's think that's just a myth that's sort built around her sort of been built up around her and been demonised. and i and she's been demonised. and i think that women who are particularly in this case, she she about her she spoke openly about her experience of domestic abuse. and death and she's just had lots of death and as result of and rape threats as a result of that. and just think, you that. and i just think, you know, i don't think she's the perpetrator what do you perpetrator here. what do you think, no, not at all. think, diane? no, not at all. and what i find interesting is inni— and what i find interesting is inii-iewiing— and what i find interesting is that-rowling is- and what i find interesting is that rowling is a sure bet

that j.k. rowling is a sure bet nie— that j.k. rowling is a sure bet iiie, wen— that j.k. rowling is a sure bet like, you know,— that j.k. rowling is a sure bet like, you know, making this ten ween— like, you know, making this ten weineen—ee- like, you know, making this ten weineen—ee ie- year harry potter series is going— year harry potter series is going fantastic. you've going to be fantastic. you've got— going to be fantastic. you've gei—eneiien- going to be fantastic. you've. got—creator making got the original creator making this got the original creator making inie—eeniee.- got the original creator making this—series. so. this epic ten year series. so ii-e— this epic ten year series. so ire-ie— this epic ten year series. so ii-e-ie ie— this epic ten year series. so it's-to be great- this epic ten year series. so it's to be great because it's going to be great because inene— it's going to be great because inene ne— it's going to be great because there are-many— it's going to be great because there are many programs who there are so many programs who newe— there are so many programs who nave-ie— there are so many programs who have-to emulate- there are so many programs who have to emulate harry have tried to emulate harry ieiien— have tried to emulate harry potter—tried- have tried to emulate harry potter—tried toi potter and they've tried to sort of eien — potter and they've tried to sort of eien in— potter and they've tried to sort of cash in.that_ potter and they've tried to sort of cash in that sort of teen of cash in on that sort of teen inning,— of cash in on that sort of teen inniiew ini— of cash in on that sort of teen fantasy, and they— of cash in on that sort of teen fantasy, and they failed. and ene— fantasy, and they failed. and she leffectively_ fantasy, and they failed. and she leffectively a - fantasy, and they failed. and she effectively a golden she is effectively a golden gee —e- she is effectively a goldeni gee —eiei goose. yes. there's a lot of nneiii—ieee. i goose. yes. there's a lot of nneiii—ieee. | goose. yes. there's a lot of profit—does. ij goose. yes. there's a lot of- profit_does. i think profit in what she does. i think inie— profit in what she does. i think inie wiii— profit in what she does. i think inie wiii ie— profit in what she does. i think this will be better than the films, because i have say, films, because i have to say, the three main actors in the films were terrible. let's be honest. know, daniel honest. you know, daniel radcliffe watson, that honest. you know, daniel radclguy watson, that honest. you know, daniel radclguy couldn't watson, that honest. you know, daniel radclguy couldn't wat act. that grint guy couldn't really act. grint guy couldn't really act. grint his name was grint i think his name was grint. so this be grint. yeah. so this could be even better at this time. and you're right, bruce, everyone's entitled to their opinion and they're entitled to, you know, slag as have done. slag her off as they have done. but, ultimately, this but, you know, ultimately, this might show, right? but, you know, ultimately, this m might show, right? but, you know, ultimately, this mmight be. can show, right? but, you know, ultimately, this mmight be. can i;how, right? but, you know, ultimately, this mmight be. can i just, right? but, you know, ultimately, this mmight be. can i just say, it? it might be. can i just say, i-we— it might be. can i just say, i've never watched- it might be. can i just say, i've never watched a - g g can ijust say, i've never watched a harry ieiien— i've never watched a harry potter film. _ i've never watched a harry potter film. really? yeah. no, i iiie— potter film. really? yeah. no, i iiie i— potter film. really? yeah. no, i iiie i iiie— potter film. really? yeah. no, i like i like living— potter film. really? yeah. no, i like i like living in the real wenii— like i like living in the real world. that's— like i like living in the real world. that's that really is we— world. that's that really is we ne— world. that's that really is just me. well,— world. that's that really is just me. well, i've watched bits of just me. well, i've watched bits ei-ieeenee— just me. well, i've watched bits ei-ieeenee ny- just me. well, i've watched bits of because my husband of it only because my husband e-ieniie— of it only because my husband- was a-doubleivoldemort. was a body double for voldemort. wneie— was a body double for voldemort. wneie vee— was a body double for voldemort. wneie vee i— was a body double for voldemort. what? yes, i know.— was a body double for voldemort. what? yes, i know. oh,— was a body double for voldemort. �*fii�*iwsi7’ yes, i know. oh, the what? yes, i know. oh, the snoweiz— what? yes, i know. oh, the showbiz insight.- �*fii�*iwsi7 yes, i know. oh, the showbiz insight. nd �*fi 7 yes, i know. oh, the showbiz insight. 3g i showbiz insight. right. so in some scenes when you see some of the scenes when you see the voldemort's head,

the back of voldemort's head, that's husband. i mean, that's my husband. i mean, that's my husband. i mean, that's-namedrop,l that's my husband. i mean,- that's-namedrop, you that's quite the namedrop, you knew,— that's quite the namedrop, you. know,_voldemort. know, body double for voldemort. weii—wen- well once. is that why you nenniei— well once. is that why you married -yeah,. well once. is that why you married yeah, of married him? oh, yeah, of course. yeah. _ married him? oh, yeah, of course. yeah. it- married him? oh, yeah, of course. yeah. i married him? oh, yeah, of- course. yeah. it was-first course. yeah. it was the first thing. the back of thing. i was like the back of his that's mine. well his head. that's mine. well there not nice head. i there was not a nice head. i love me some cranium, but. but veiieneni-e— love me some cranium, but. but voldemort's head— love me some cranium, but. but voldemort's head isn't a particularly it? oh particularly sexy one, is it? oh i'm not really into heads. don't else's. don't yuck somebody else's. yumi_ don't yuck somebody else's. yin—en- don't yuck somebody else's. yin—en sorry-l don't yuck somebody else's. - yum,_oh sorry. never yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never neeni— yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never neeni-nnneee.— yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never neeni-nnneee. — yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never heard-phrase. she- yum, babe. okay. oh sorry. never heard-phrase. she wants. v4. okay. oh sorry. never heard phrase. heard that phrase. she wants to lick heard that phrase. she wants to ii i— heard that phrase. she wants to lick a skull. leave it alone. sorry, diane. you you are neiiwew— sorry, diane. you you are neiiwew-e- sorry, diane. you you arei halfway-a point. sorry, diane. you you are. halfway-a point. i sorry, diane. you you are- halfway-a point. i was halfway through a point. i was insi— halfway through a point. i was iii—vein.- halfway through a point. i was inn—vein. se- halfway through a point. i wasi just—yeah. so we've just saying that. yeah. so we've seen bits sort of you seen the bits where sort of you seen the bits where sort of you see his head and you see the back of his head and you 90, see the back of his head and you go, that's. but yeah, i think that will be that it will be very interesting. also we interesting. and also we were talking game, weren't talking about the game, weren't we, game. and we, the harry potter game. and that generates sort of £1 billion of revenue. i think it was only about 12 million. but the interesting thing- was only about 12 million. but the interesting thing was- the interesting thing was only 12 the interesting thing was only iz niiiien— the interesting thing was only 12 million. so— the interesting thing was only 12 million. so there's two iiinge— 12 million. so there's two things. yeah,— 12 million. so there's two things. yeah, it's hbo , max and things. yeah, it's hbo, max and neo— things. yeah, it's hbo, max and nee inni— things. yeah, it's hbo, max and nee inei ne— things. yeah, it's hbo, max and hbo that are making it. things. yeah, it's hbo, max and hbo that are making it . and i hbo that are making it. and i ien-i— hbo that are making it. and i ien-i knew— hbo that are making it. and i ien-i inew ei— hbo that are making it. and i don't know of any sex in the ciiw— don't know of any sex in the ciiw inne— don't know of any sex in the ciiw iene in— don't know of any sex in the ciiw iene in i— don't know of any sex in the city fans in i am— don't know of any sex in the city fans in i am one. i was innewn— city fans in i am one. i was innewn en— city fans in i am one. i was thrown off the— city fans in i am one. i was thrown off the tour in new york for thrown off the tour in new york ien we— thrown off the tour in new york ien we iiene— thrown off the tour in new york for no more than— thrown off the tour in new york for no more than the guide, but nee—ine- for no more than the guide, but more—the break.- more of that after the break. inei-e— more of that after the break. that's- actually. - more of that after the break. that's actually. and when

more of that after the break. that'did actually. and when more of that after the break. that'did the actually. and when more of that after the break. that'did the prequel, and when more of that after the break. that'did the prequel, the when they did the prequel, the eegnei— they did the prequel, the sequel, whatever, and just like inni— sequel, whatever, and just like mg, newe— sequel, whatever, and just like inei, newe vou— sequel, whatever, and just like that, have you watched any of inne— that, have you watched any of ineie we— that, have you watched any of ineie me oh, — that, have you watched any of that? no oh, it's— that, have you watched any of that? no oh, it's a— that, have you watched any of that? no oh, it's a disgrace. ani— that? no oh, it's a disgrace. ani neeiiw— that? no oh, it's a disgrace. and really, it— that? no oh, it's a disgrace. and really, it should all be eiennei— and really, it should all be eiennei. se— and really, it should all be stopped. so will stopped. so it will be interesting- stopped. so it will be interesting to see what actually nennene.— interesting to see what actually happens. someone happens. yes. and so someone eiee— happens. yes. and so someone eiee eneniei— happens. yes. and so someone else snorted. that's fine. it ieei— else snorted. that's fine. it ieei ine— else snorted. that's fine. it took the pressure off and took the pressure off me and ie— took the pressure off me and i-ve—inel i've just seen myself in the camera-looked. i've just seen myself in the. camera-looked like camera and really looked like a ienn— camera and really looked like a ieen-weeie.- camera and really looked like a bear-woods. i'm- camera and really looked like a bear woods. i'm the bear from the woods. i'm the eeeeni— bear from the woods. i'm the eeeeni-i— bear from the woods. i'm the second-i-going- bear from the woods. i'm the second - i - going to i bear from the woods. i'm the- second-i-going to make second point i was going to make is second point i was going to make ie-i-n— second point i was going to make ie-i-n ee— second point i was going to make is-i'm sure it'll— second point i was going to make is i'm sure it'll come is gone. i'm sure it'll come inci— is gone. i'm sure it'll comei ieei—ie back. well you know, that is a ven— back. well you know, that is a very geei— back. well you know, that is a very geei neini. — back. well you know, that is a very good point. 'i: back. well you know, that is a very good point. ' i: ”iii: back. well you know, that is a very iii)d point. 'i: ”iii: back. well you know, that is a very i d right to mention the game, because, you know, for all these activists who are saying, jake, it's for j.k. activists who are saying, jake, it's forj.k. rowling, activists who are saying, jake, it's hate forj.k. rowling, activists who are saying, jake, it's hate her. .k. rowling, activists who are saying, jake, it's hate her. .k. riherng, activists who are saying, jake, it's hate her. .k. riher work all hate her. now her work really sell. and it sells really does sell. and it sells more was more than ever. and it was interesting, some interesting, there were some activists buying activists who were buying the game . one smashed it game. i saw one had smashed it up a hammer and posted it up with a hammer and posted it onune up with a hammer and posted it online saying, take that j.k. rowling. so still the rowling. so she still gets the money. it. you money. yeah, you bought it. you know, . know, that's not how it works. that's the whole why that's the whole thing. why not ienne— that's the whole thing. why not ieneie-neenie— that's the whole thing. why not donate people could donate it to people who could ine— donate it to people who could ine gene?— donate it to people who could use the game? yes but people are being— use the game? yes but people are being demonised— use the game? yes but people are being demonised playing being demonised for playing the gene. — being demonised for playing the gene. _reallv- game. i mean, it's really insane, know, but everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs know, but everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs to now, but everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs to growbut everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs to grow up. everyone game. i mean, it's really insa needs to grow up. let's one just needs to grow up. let's just. just say that. okay just. let's just say that. okay we've got another question now from hi, from mike, where is mike? hi, mike. what's so offensive mike. hi. what's so offensive eieni— mike. hi. what's so offensive eieni ie— iii. what's so offensive about pg woodhouse? very

interesting. so— about pg woodhouse? very. interesting. so-broke interesting. so this only broke win.— interesting. so this only broke ieiew-ie— interesting. so this only broke ieiew-ie ine— interesting. so this only broke today.-is the story- xiiiisg 3 so this only broke today. is the story about today. this is the story about eiwieneiw— today. this is the story about obviously-great- today. this is the story about obviously great novelist pg obviously the great novelist pg weieneiee— obviously the great novelist pg wodehouse jeeves wodehouse created jeeves and iieeeien— wodehouse created jeeves and wooster blandings novels wooster and the blandings novels inniiienen— wooster and the blandings novels .-publisher-decided- wooster and the blandings novels . publisher decided to . the publisher has decided to remove and rewrite certain eeneeie— remove and rewrite certain eeneeie ei— remove and rewrite certain aspects of pg— remove and rewrite certain aspects of pg wodehouse work. inie— aspects of pg wodehouse work. we ie— aspects of pg wodehouse work. this is penguin— aspects of pg wodehouse work. this is penguin random house. inew-we— this is penguin random house. they've eiiei— this is penguin random house. they've added some trigger wnnneg— they've added some trigger warnings. they've said that some neiene— warnings. they've said that some neiene new— warnings. they've said that some readers may think— warnings. they've said that some readers may think the themes and eneneeiene— readers may think the themes and eneneeiene ne— readers may think the themes and characters are outdated . and the characters are outdated. and the wing— characters are outdated. and the ining ie— characters are outdated. and the ining ie, neenie— characters are outdated. and the thing is, people who read pg weienenee— thing is, people who read pg wodehouse i've— thing is, people who read pg wodehouse i've read novels wodehouse i've read many novels by wodehouse i've read many novels iwiiieienenee.— wodehouse i've read many novels iwiweieneiee. i— wodehouse i've read many novels by wodehouse. i understand by pg wodehouse. i understand inni— by pg wodehouse. i understand inei-wniiien- by pg wodehouse. i understand that-writtenllongl that they were written a long iine — that they were written a long iine-inew-ne- that they were written a long time -they're set- that they were written a long time they're set in the time ago and they're set in the geei.— time ago and they're set in the geei. ieiieve— time ago and they're set in the past. believe you— time ago and they're set in the past. believe you me, i've eineeiw— past. believe you me, i've already gei— past. believe you me, i've already got that. it's okay. i ien-i— already got that. it's okay. i ien-i neei— already got that. it's okay. i don't need-sort- already got that. it's okay. i don't need sort of don't need some sort of schoolmarm_ don't need some sort of schoolmarm to go through the ieeie— schoolmarm to go through the ieeie win— schoolmarm to go through the ieeie wiin e— schoolmarm to go through the books with a felt— schoolmarm to go through the books with a felt tip pen and cut books with a felt tip pen and eei eni— books with a felt tip pen and eei eei ine— books with a felt tip pen and cut out the bits— books with a felt tip pen and cut out the bits that might nneei— cut out the bits that might nneei ne— cut out the bits that might upset me. what the hell is going on? upset me. what the hell is going ene wini— upset me. what the hell is going on? what, like,— upset me. what the hell is going on? what, like, redacted stuff in en— on? what, like, redacted stuff in an inquiry?— on? what, like, redacted stuff in an inquiry? — on? what, like, redacted stuff in an inquiry? / g in an inquiry? yeah, taking out bits and pieces and all that kind of. i just don't think to make. you can't just expunge everything to the history vaults. you know, it was a moment in time. we've hopefully moved you know, if people moment in time. we've hopefully move been you know, if people moment in time. we've hopefully move been offended/, if people moment in time. we've hopefully move been offended/, if pe0jand have been offended by that and not bring it around again. but why is it opposed to focusing on

that? let's focus on writers that? let's focus on you writers then, yes but you then, right? yes. yes but you know, the truth— then, right? yes. yes but you know, the truth is— then, right? yes. yes but you know, the truth is that- si" ” g x7 “is “is but you know, the truth is that pg iieienenee — know, the truth is that pg wodehouse -of- know, the truth is that pg wodehouse of the best wodehouse is one of the best nneee—ingiienl prose stylists in the english iengnege— prose stylists in the english. language._benefit language. people could benefit nen—beeke- language. people could benefit from—books. you. from reading his books. you ien-i— from reading his books. you ien-i-wiin— from reading his books. you don't-with the- from reading his books. you don't with the master like don't mess with the master like it don't mess with the master like iilii-e— don't mess with the master like iilii-e inei— don't mess with the master like it it's just masterful it is. it's just masterful nneee — it is. it's just masterful nn.eee ani— it is. it's just masterful prose. and some jumped up eeeiiwie— prose. and some jumped up executive talent— prose. and some jumped up executive talent less idiot at penguin— executive talent less idiot at penguin random house thinks they can penguin random house thinks they ge— penguin random house thinks they ge innengn— penguin random house thinks they can go through and— penguin random house thinks they can go through and improve on ineee— can go through and improve on ineee ieeie— can go through and improve on these books. give— can go through and improve on these books. give me a break. ii-e— these books. give me a break. it's absolutely— these books. give me a break. it's absolutely pathetic . these it's absolutely pathetic. these neenie— it's absolutely pathetic. these neenie ne— it's absolutely pathetic. these neenie inei. — it's absolutely pathetic. these people are just. "clan ”iii: people are just. they're just halfwits . total halfwits . halfwits. total halfwits. they're puritans. they're inniiene— they're puritans. they're puritans masquerading as nniiieiene— puritans masquerading as publishers. they should be in a iiiieneni— publishers. they should be in a iiiieneni ien— publishers. they should be in a different job. they should just be eeiiing— different job. they should just be selling fruit— different job. they should just be selling fruit at a market or eeneining. — be selling fruit at a market or something. wrong with something. nothing wrong with inni— something. nothing wrong with inn—ine- something. nothing wrong with inei—ine iningi that, by the way. but the thing engenie— that, by the way. but the thing engenie en— that, by the way. but the thing organic or organic, would be, organic or organic, it would be, weniin-i— organic or organic, it would be,i weniin-i—eiene organic or organic, it would be,- weniin-i—eiene wouldn't it? where do you stop? are wouldn't it? where do you stop? in you— wouldn't it? where do you stop? in you geing— wouldn't it? where do you stop? in you geing ie— wouldn't it? where do you stop? in you geing ie ge— wouldn't it? where do you stop? are you going to go back?- wouldn't it? where do you stop? are you going to go back? i- are you going to go back? i mean, to target the mean, they seem to target the racist references because racist by our standards. absolutely. by by our standards. absolutely. by our standards of course. but okay , well, do we need to change okay, well, do we need to change all the misogynistic references that are in all the past history books? do we need to update

shakespeare? because no, we don't talk like that anymore. so maybe we should rewrite every single shakespeare into modern prose. this is a very interesting- this is a very interesting point, diane, ieeenee— interesting point, diane, ieeenee i— interesting point, diane, because i think what this neeeie— because i think what this neeeie ie— because i think what this reveals is actually the nenienien— reveals is actually the particular peeves of the particular pet peeves of the nniiienene— particular pet peeves of the publishers themselves. you know , inene— publishers themselves. you know gem-giggi— publishers themselves. you know , there certain books , there are certain books inew-ne— , there are certain books- inew-ne—inene they're not going after. there are they're not going after. there eenein— they're not going after. there are certain offensive phrases inew-ne— are certain offensive phrasesi inew-ne—ieeeiee they're leaving alone because they— they're leaving alone because inew—ii-el they don't offend them. it's inei—ieinenl just the things that bother inen. — just the things that bother inen. -ieei- just the things that bother them. -took a- just the things that bother them. took a scalpel to them. if they took a scalpel to ine— them. if they took a scalpel to ine gig,— them. if they took a scalpel to the bible, that— them. if they took a scalpel to the bible, that-go. the bible, that wouldn't go iewn—weii | the bible, that wouldn't go. down,_well. no, down, particularly well. no, ieeiee— because women don't come off very well. get of grief very well. we get a lot of grief in we're the only in the bible and we're the only people bread, as far i people making bread, as far as i can tell. right. exactly i mean, if they were to say,— can tell. right. exactly i mean, if they were to say, you- en?" 33x f imean, if they were to say, you know, at if they were to say, you know, ii ine — if they were to say, you know, at the moment— if they were to say, you know, at the moment it's the at the moment we're it's in the eii—ii— at the moment we're it's in the eii—ii-inei- old testament, it says that women who menstruate have to ieeieie—ei isolate themselves and sit in a ieni—eew- isolate themselves and sit in a ieni—eew inei-el tent that i would say that's gniie— tent that i would say that's quite offensive. _ tent that i would say that's quite offensive. much quite offensive. how much eneeeieie— quite offensive. how much chocolate -tent? l quite offensive. how much chocolate tent? quite offensive. how much- chocolate -tent? well, chocolate is in the tent? well, innin— chocolate is in the tent? well, inei-e— wnei- chocolate is in the tent? well,l that's_ what would that's the question. what would you say? — that's the question. what would you say? they've not gone after mills boons. exactly. mills and boons. no, exactly. why no idea. i've why not? i have no idea. i've never for them. i've never written for them. i've never written for them. i've never read a mills and- iii" i've never read a mills and boon “i; , i; a "i” “j; n "o a mw; .43 i've never read a mills and boon , s“ i've never read a mills and boon , to never read a mills and boon, to be never read a mills and boon, to ie neneei,— never read a mills and boon, to be honest,idid_ never read a mills and boon, to be honest,idid as— never read a mills and boon, to be honest,idid as a- never read a mills and boon, to be honest, did as a child. be honest, i did as a child. i remember actually- be honest, i did as a child. i remember actually my- be honest, i did as a child. i remember actually my mum finding me one and she went me reading one and she went mental because they're very erotic to erotic apparently, but see, to let you understand, i was a

strange a strange strange child. i'm a strange adult. all. fine and adult. that's all. fine and i got of high speed got one of these high speed dubbing so i used to got one of these high speed dubbmyself so i used to got one of these high speed dubbmyself reading used to got one of these high speed dubbmyself reading millsto got one of these high speed dubbmyself reading mills and tape myself reading mills and boon's and then play back to boon's and then play it back to myself speed dubbing. myself on high speed dubbing. and get myself and i used to get myself so excited wouldn't to bed. excited i wouldn't go to bed. and then i hated my mum much. and then i hated my mum so much. i a child. i used to i had ibs as a child. i used to overdose weetabix and do overdose on weetabix and do diarrhoea to now this diarrhoea to inaya. now this actually a lot. bruce actually explains a lot. bruce we're going to move- actually explains a lot. bruce we're going to move on- bruce we're going to move on though, to we're going to move on though, ie eneinen— we're going to move on though, to another question before we ieiwe— to another question before we ieiwe inw— to another question before we delve any deeper— to another question before we delve any deeper into the dark ieiwinin— delve any deeper into the dark labyrinth that _ delve any deeper into the dark labyrinth that devlin's labyrinth that is bruce devlin's eewene.— labyrinth that is bruce devlin's eewene. inie— labyrinth that is bruce devlin's psyche. this next— labyrinth that is bruce devlin's psyche. this next question is nen— psyche. this next question is inen ieeiie— psyche. this next question is from leslie. where's leslie? hi, ieeiie— from leslie. where's leslie? hi, ieeiie. ni— from leslie. where's leslie? hi, ieeiie. ni — from leslie. where's leslie? hi, leslie. hi should— from leslie. where's leslie? hi, leslie. hi should joe- from leslie. where's leslie? hi, leslie. hi : : leslie. hi should joe biden be cautious about who he takes a selfie with? this is a really inieneeiing— s7 this is a really interesting question. so joe iiien— interesting question. so joe iiien ei— interesting question. so joe biden, of course, just took a eeiiie— biden, of course, just took a eeiiie win— biden, of course, just took a selfie with gerry— biden, of course, just took a selfie with gerry adams , who selfie with gerry adams, who ei— selfie with gerry adams, who was, of course,— selfie with gerry adams, who was, of course, the former you knew,— was, of course, the former you knew, ne — was, of course, the former you knew, ne ee— was, of course, the former you knew, ne e— was, of course, the former you know, he was a member of the anny— know, he was a member of the anny ceeneii— know, he was a member of the army council of— know, he was a member of the army council of the ira right up eniii— army council of the ira right up eniii ine— army council of the ira right up until the early— army council of the ira right up until the early 90— army council of the ira right up until the early 90 seconds, i inni— until the early 90 seconds, i inini. ani— until the early 90 seconds, i think. and, of— until the early 90 seconds, i think. and, of course, this is nei— think. and, of course, this is not necessarily— think. and, of course, this is not necessarily a— think. and, of course, this is not necessarily a good look, ineee — not necessarily a good look, ineee we.— not necessarily a good look, ineee in i— not necessarily a good look, bruce. no, i think- not necessarily a good look, bruce. \niii not necessarily a good look, bruce. \iii : bruce. no, i think joe biden should cautious in general. should be cautious in general. oh, absolutely should. oh, well, he absolutely should. yes, absolutely. said yes, absolutely. i just said that couple yesterday that a couple of times yesterday . there frailty about the

. there is a frailty about the man. do worry him. yes. man. i do worry about him. yes. i thought that his i would have thought that his adviser kind of adviser would have kind of pointed the direction, adviser would have kind of poir know, the direction, adviser would have kind of poirknow, big the direction, adviser would have kind of poirknow, big placardsction, adviser would have kind of poirknow, big placards . no, i you know, big placards. no, i mean, to be fair, you- ii; i: no,i mean, to be fair, you don't neeeeeeniiw— mean, to be fair, you don't necessarily know you're necessarily know who you're geiiing— necessarily know who you're geiiing e— necessarily know who you're getting a selfie— necessarily know who you're getting a selfie with. i've had eeenie— getting a selfie with. i've had people-up— getting a selfie with. i've had eeeeie-en ie— getting a selfie with. i've had people-up to-and. getting a selfie with. i've had people up to and say, people come up to me and say, i— people come up to me and say, i newe— people come up to me and say, i newe e— people come up to me and say, can i have a selfie?— people come up to me and say, can i have a selfie? and i was iiie— can i have a selfie? and i was iiie, inie— can i have a selfie? and i was like, this could— can i have a selfie? and i was like, this could be— can i have a selfie? and i was like, this could be a serial iiiien— like, this could be a serial iiiien wee— like, this could be a serial killer, you know? well you know, eiineegn— killer, you know? well you know, eiineegn-we- killer, you know? well you know, eiineegn-we ge- killer, you know? well you know, although-we go to,- killer, you know? well you know, although we go to, of although the clubs we go to, of course, that's the thing. but iii— course, that's the thing. but but-vou— course, that's the thing. but iii-wee-wnei- course, that's the thing. but but-you-what i've. course, that's the thing. but but you what i've never but do you know what i've never understood selfie? yeah. understood about a selfie? yeah. why? it taken by eye for why? why is it taken by eye for a selfie was a solo activity. if you selfie is you catch my drift. selfie is normally people. oh, the normally with people. oh, the meanings-changed. - normally with people. oh, the meanings-changed. it's. normally with people. oh, the. meanings-changed. it's very meanings have changed. it's very eenieeing— meanings have changed. it's very eenineing. ienn— meanings have changed. it's very confusing. gerry adams, though, is confusing. gerry adams, though, ie—eni- is a controversial figure and neeegnieeiiw— recognisably so. so i don't inini—eeeel recognisably so. so i don't. think—case that think it can be the case that nie— think it can be the case that nie iee— think it can be the case that his joe biden— think it can be the case that his joe biden surely has neniiene— his joe biden surely has handlers him. his joe biden surely has. handlers-him. he handlers around him. he also knew— handlers around him. he also knows-adams- handlers around him. he also knows adams is. they knows who gerry adams is. they met 2000, and that met before in 2000, and that doesn't necessarily mean he knows is. that's a good knows who he is. that's a good neini— knows who he is. that's a good eeini. ween.— knows who he is. that's a good point. yeah. yeah— knows who he is. that's a good point. yeah. yeah _ knows who he is. that's a good point. yeah. yeah i— that's a good point. yeah. yeah i that's a good point. yeah. yeah l point. yeah. yeah i mean, like that ago. point. yeah. yeah i mean, like inei—ege. we'vel that was six years ago. we've had few that was six years ago. we've hadlfew christmases- 3 we've had few christmases since had a few christmases since wen.— had a few christmases since then. christmas— had a few christmases since then. christmas is a pandemic. nei— then. christmas is a pandemic. iii ine— then. christmas is a pandemic. iii ine ining— then. christmas is a pandemic. but the thing is,— then. christmas is a pandemic. but the thing is, he— then. christmas is a pandemic. but the thing is, he is- but the thing is, he is a divisive figure. yeah, he was a member of terrorist member of a terrorist organisation. getting organisation. there's no getting around joe biden around that. yes. and joe biden is around that. yes. and joe biden iee-ee iini— around that. yes. and joe biden is-some kind of- around that. yes. and joe biden is-some kind of last- is living some kind of last eeieie— is living some kind of last salute fantasy— is living some kind of last salute fantasy kwasi. he's

eieeniw— salute fantasy kwasi. he's clearly een— salute fantasy kwasi. he's clearly sort of— salute fantasy kwasi. he's clearly sort of fearing that ne-e— clearly sort of fearing that ne-e neening— clearly sort of fearing that he's nearing the end of this nenei— he's nearing the end of this nenei eeii— he's nearing the end of this mortal coil, so— he's nearing the end of this mortal coil, so he's decided to neenin— mortal coil, so he's decided to newin ie— mortal coil, so he's decided to newin ie ine— mortal coil, so he's decided to return to the homeland. yes, ieeeeee— return to the homeland. yes, because obviously he heavily iieniiiiee— because obviously he heavily identifies as— because obviously he heavily identifies as irish and in and een— identifies as irish and in and eeni ei— identifies as irish and in and eeni ei ne— identifies as irish and in and sort of he spent— identifies as irish and in and sort of he spent a cursory sort of. sort of he spent a cursory sort ei. vee— sort of he spent a cursory sort ei. vee. neie,— sort of he spent a cursory sort of. yes. hello, everybody. in wennenn— of. yes. hello, everybody. in northern ireland, which everybody— northern ireland, which everybody noticed. and then as ieei— everybody noticed. and then as ieei ee— everybody noticed. and then as ieei ee ne— everybody noticed. and then as fast as he could,— everybody noticed. and then as fast as he could, he ran over , i fast as he could, he ran over, i ieei— fast as he could, he ran over, i ieei .— fast as he could, he ran over, i mean, fast . he— fast as he could, he ran over, i mean, fast . he crossed the mean, fast. he crossed the ienien— mean, fast. he crossed the ienien inie— mean, fast. he crossed the border into the— mean, fast. he crossed the border into the republic of ineieni. — border into the republic of ireland. and— border into the republic of ireland. and the change has been inge— ireland. and the change has been nege. vee— ireland. and the change has been nnge. vee ei— ireland. and the change has been huge. yes, of course. yeah. and ewewieiw— huge. yes, of course. yeah. and everybody een— huge. yes, of course. yeah. and everybody sort of— huge. yes, of course. yeah. and everybody sort of witnessed this and everybody sort of witnessed this eni ii— everybody sort of witnessed this eni ii ieei— everybody sort of witnessed this and it just doesn't— everybody sort of witnessed this and it just doesn't look great, wnien— and it just doesn't look great, wnien ie— and it just doesn't look great, wnien ie wnw— and it just doesn't look great, which is why you've got people iiie— which is why you've got people iiie aniene— which is why you've got people like arlene foster— which is why you've got people like arlene foster saying that he absolutely— like arlene foster saying that he absolutely hates britain and weii— he absolutely hates britain and weii vou— he absolutely hates britain and weii you knew,— he absolutely hates britain and well, you know, it's posing for inegee— well, you know, it's posing for inegee iiie— well, you know, it's posing for images like that. e : e images like that. it doesn't eeni— images like that. it doesn't eeni e— images like that. it doesn't send a right. diplomatic signal. this is this is the point. and also mixing he mix up also mixing up didn't he mix up the blacks, the rugby team? the all blacks, the rugby team? oh, my gosh. you did with the tans, black tans, tans, with the black and tans, of course, with the paramilitary supplements the war. and supplements during the war. and that's not good, is it. no no. anyway that's all bruce has got to say on the matter. but listen, we do have to go for a

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we're live from .— we're live from. nine weieene— we're live from. nine welcome back to free speech weiien— welcome back to free speech weiien wiin— welcome back to free speech nation with me,— welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. ani— nation with me, andrew doyle. ani nw— nation with me, andrew doyle. ani ine— nation with me, andrew doyle. and now the moment- nation with me, andrew doyle. and now the moment we've all been waiting for. here's a man who require an who doesn't require an introduction. delighted to introduction. i'm delighted to be the legendary be joined by the legendary actor comedian and screenwriterjohn cleese. everybody thank you . cleese. everybody thank you. thank you for joining cleese. everybody thank you. thank you forjoining us. john. thank you for joining us. john. i'm very happy to be- " cg john. i'm very happy to be here. 'c i'm very happy to be here. and inin— i'm very happy to be here. and inie ie— i'm very happy to be here. and inie ie ine— i'm very happy to be here. and this is the entire— i'm very happy to be here. and this is the entire audience for tonight. that's exactly right. vee— tonight. that's exactly right. we i— tonight. that's exactly right. we i inini— tonight. that's exactly right. yes i think there's- s“ ch that's exactly right. yes i think there's some ’si“ ch that's exactly right. yes i think there's some others weiening— yes i think there's some others weiening ei— yes i think there's some others watching at home,— yes i think there's some others watching at home, though . oh, watching at home, though. oh, they— watching at home, though. oh, inew ie— watching at home, though. oh, inew ie. ieeeie— watching at home, though. oh, they do. people watching at home and they do. people watching at home eni inew-ne— they do. people watching at home eni inew-ne in— they do. people watching at home and they're in-own- they do. people watching at home and they're in own houses. and they're in their own houses. it's—invention.- and they're in their own houses. it's—invention. . it's a remarkable invention. ii-e— it's a remarkable invention. iii-eeiii— it's a remarkable invention. it's-catch on- it's a remarkable invention. it's-catch on that. it's going to catch on that john, wanted to talk to you john, i wanted to talk to you about creativity because i read your book the your wonderful book on the subject. it's your wonderful book on the subject . it's good, isn't it? it subject. it's good, isn't it? it is subject. it's good, isn't it? it ielgneei— subject. it's good, isn't it? it islgreat little _ subject. it's good, isn't it? it islgreat little book- c it's good, isn't it? it is great little book called is a great little book called cneeiiviiw.— is a great little book called creativity. and _ is a great little book called creativity. and i— is a great little book called creativity. and i wanted to ask you— creativity. and i wanted to ask you eieei— creativity. and i wanted to ask you eieei ii— creativity. and i wanted to ask you about it because make you about it because you make eene—neiniel you about it because you make some|this,-points. you about it because you make some this, that points you about it because you make some this, that people oints you about it because you make some this, that people won't about this, that people won't newe— about this, that people won't newe ineegni— about this, that people won't have thought think people about this, that people won't have thatght think people about this, that people won't have that creativity�*iink people about this, that people won't have that creativity�*iinthezople think that creativity is the een— think that creativity is the eeni ei—ine - think that creativity is thei sort of_the elite think that creativity is the - sort of_the elite few, sort of domain of the elite few, ieei— sort of domain of the elite few, we e— sort of domain of the elite few, we e iew— sort of domain of the elite few, just a few kind— sort of domain of the elite few, just a few kind of— sort of domain of the elite few, just a few kind of artists . just a few kind of artists. ii-e— just a few kind of artists. iii-ine— just a few kind of artists. it's-the ability- just a few kind of artists. it's-the ability to- just a few kind of artists. i it's-the ability to know it's just the ability to know how to come up with better ideas. and it doesn't matter wnei— ideas. and it doesn't matter

we ine— ideas. and it doesn't matter what the ideas— ideas. and it doesn't matter what the ideas are- : and it doesn't matter what the ideas are . it could be what the ideas are. it could be iiewen— what the ideas are. it could be flower arranging— what the ideas are. it could be flower arranging or it could be geenien — flower arranging or it could be quantum physics.— flower arranging or it could be quantum physics. except you've got quantum physics. except you've gei ie— quantum physics. except you've gei ie weni— quantum physics. except you've gei ie weni ien— quantum physics. except you've got to work for 20 _ quantum physics. except you've got to work for 20 years before wee— got to work for 20 years before wee in— got to work for 20 years before we in e— got to work for 20 years before you're in a state— got to work for 20 years before you're in a state where you can do you're in a state where you can ie enwining— you're in a state where you can do anything creative. v/ii. do anything creative. you see wnei— do anything creative. you see we i— do anything creative. you see wnei i neen— do anything creative. you see what i mean? a— do anything creative. you see what i mean? a few things for that. but people think eneeiiwiiw— that. but people think creativity are - but people think creativity are people born with it? creativity are people born with iii ieeii— creativity are people born with it? well, obviously some people are it? well, obviously some people ene-wiin— it? well, obviously some people are-with more— it? well, obviously some people are-with more-it- it? well, obviously some people are-with more-it .- it? well, obviously some people are with more it . it's are born with more of it. it's iiie— are born with more of it. it's like lfootballer_ are born with more of it. it's likelfootballer or- are born with more of it. it's like footballer or a cricketer like a footballer or a cricketer . sene— like a footballer or a cricketer . sene ei— like a footballer or a cricketer . some of them— like a footballer or a cricketer . some of them are- like a footballer or a cricketer . some of them are enormously talented when they start and some talented but work some are less talented but work incredibly hard and become as good. but people don't understand— good. but people don'ti understand-just good. but people don't. understand-just a understand that it's just a geeeiien— understand that it's just a gneeiien ei— understand that it's just a question of learning, understand that it's just a question of learning , really. question of learning, really. ani— question of learning, really. ani i— question of learning, really. ani i knew— question of learning, really. and i know this— question of learning, really. and i know this sounds a bit weini— and i know this sounds a bit weini new— and i know this sounds a bit weird how to— and i know this sounds a bit weird how to work with your unconscious aukus yes, because eii— unconscious aukus yes, because we're all taught— unconscious aukus yes, because we're all taught that the only ining— we're all taught that the only ining inei— we're all taught that the only thing that matters is the conscious mind . and we're most conscious mind. and we're most of conscious mind. and we're most ei ee— conscious mind. and we're most ei we in— conscious mind. and we're most of us in education,— conscious mind. and we're most of us in education, we're told to of us in education, we're told ie new— of us in education, we're told ie new ie— of us in education, we're told to how be good— of us in education, we're told to how be good at criticising ininge— to how be good at criticising ininge eni— to how be good at criticising things and breaking things down and things and breaking things down eni eneiweing— things and breaking things down and analysing things . and and analysing things. and inene-e— and analysing things. and inene-e e— and analysing things. and there's a completely different way— there's a completely different wew ei— there's a completely different way of thinking— there's a completely different way of thinking about things wnien— way of thinking about things which which— way of thinking about things which which you never you're ieii— which which you never you're never told about— which which you never you're never told about at school. so when— never told about at school. so when iii— never told about at school. so when iii wee— never told about at school. so when did you first— never told about at school. so when did you first realise that you were , well, not just

you were, well, not just a creative person, but that you were able to harness this ability? well it was. it was when i got to l s 7 �*vfii�*iis . it was when i got to cambridge . i ability? well it was. it was- when i got to cambridge . i mean, when i got to cambridge. i mean, i when i got to cambridge. i mean, i gei— when i got to cambridge. i mean, i gei inie— when i got to cambridge. i mean, i got into cambridge on science -eni— i got into cambridge on science ,-wasn't-interested| , which i wasn't very interested in. ani— , which i wasn't very interested in. ani inen— , which i wasn't very interested in. ani inen i— , which i wasn't very interested in. and then i discovered that ine— in. and then i discovered that ine eeeeie— in. and then i discovered that the people coming up to study ceniniige— the people coming up to study cambridge science at cambridge win— cambridge science at cambridge wiin ne— cambridge science at cambridge wiin ne wee— cambridge science at cambridge with me were going to be quite inieneeiei— with me were going to be quite interested in— with me were going to be quite interested in science . and i interested in science. and i ineegni— interested in science. and i inengni inei— interested in science. and i thought that gave them a huge eiweniege— thought that gave them a huge advantage over— thought that gave them a huge advantage over me. so i thought we— advantage over me. so i thought me i— advantage over me. so i thought me i ineegni— advantage over me. so i thought that i thought that— advantage over me. so i thought that i thought that i'll move to eeneining— that i thought that i'll move to something else. _ that i thought that i'll move to something else. so i went to law . wew— something else. so i went to law . wew ineee— something else. so i went to law . now those are— something else. so i went to law . now those are all— something else. so i went to law . now those are all very- something else. now those are all very what . now those are all very what new— . now those are all very what new eeii— . now those are all very what inew eeii ieei— now those are all very what they call left hemisphere, all to they call left hemisphere, all ie ie— they call left hemisphere, all ie ie win— they call left hemisphere, all to do with words— they call left hemisphere, all to do with words and accuracy . to do with words and accuracy. vee. — to do with words and accuracy. vee. ani— to do with words and accuracy. vee. ani inen— to do with words and accuracy. yes. and then i— to do with words and accuracy. yes. and then i joined the ieeiiignie— yes. and then i joined the ieeiiignie .— yes. and then i joined the footlights , which was that club footlights, which was that club we— footlights, which was that club we eneiwei— footlights, which was that club that produced peter cook and siennen— that produced peter cook and sieenen inw— that produced peter cook and stephen fry and— that produced peter cook and stephen fry and hugh laurie. ani— stephen fry and hugh laurie. ani ineee— stephen fry and hugh laurie. and those are— stephen fry and hugh laurie. and those are the— stephen fry and hugh laurie. and those are the comedy actor. yes. so it's a great little eien.— yes. so it's a great little eiei. ani— yes. so it's a great little club. and we— v/iis so it's a great little club. and we had a little club eni— club. and we had a little club eni i— club. and we had a little club room and i discovered i could wniie— room and i discovered i could wniie ininge— room and i discovered i could write things that— room and i discovered i could write things that made people ieegn— write things that made people ieegn eni— write things that made people laugh and suddenly at the age of 22, laugh and suddenly at the age of zz.|ineegni.— laugh and suddenly at the age of zzlineegni. en— laugh and suddenly at the age of zzlineegni. en .— laugh and suddenly at the age of 22, thought, oh , i'm creative. 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. so 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. se i— 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. se i weien— 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. so i watch the— 22, i thought, oh, i'm creative. so i watch the process. yes. and wnei— so i watch the process. yes. and we i— so i watch the process. yes. and what i noticed— so i watch the process. yes. and what i noticed was— so i watch the process. yes. and what i noticed was that the evening— what i noticed was that the evening sometime i'd write a eieien— evening sometime i'd write a eieien eni— evening sometime i'd write a eieien eni i— evening sometime i'd write a sketch and i had— evening sometime i'd write a

sketch and i had the usual eneiien— sketch and i had the usual problem eii— sketch and i had the usual problem all week, comics have, wnien— problem all week, comics have, wnien ie— problem all week, comics have, wnien ie ine— problem all week, comics have, which is the punch— problem all week, comics have, which is the punch line , of which is the punch line, of course. and— which is the punch line, of course. and you- which is the punch line, of course. e which is the punch line, of course. ' . siiii which is the punch line, of course. e which is the punch line, of- course. and you sit there for 45 minutes and go to bed. and then the minutes and go to bed. and then ine nenning— minutes and go to bed. and then ine nenning ii— minutes and go to bed. and then the morning i'd get— minutes and go to bed. and then the morning i'd get up,- e“c cgiii ziiic and then the morning i'd get up, make a cup— the morning i'd get up, make a een ei— the morning i'd get up, make a een ei eeiiee— the morning i'd get up, make a cup of coffee, sit— the morning i'd get up, make a cup of coffee, sit at the desk, eni— cup of coffee, sit at the desk, eni winin— cup of coffee, sit at the desk, and within in— cup of coffee, sit at the desk, and within in 90— cup of coffee, sit at the desk, and within in 90 seconds you'd newe— and within in 90 seconds you'd newe ine— and within in 90 seconds you'd have the answer,— and within in 90 seconds you'd have the answer, this is eeneining— have the answer, this is something you mentioned in your ieei. — something you mentioned in your ieei. vee— something you mentioned in your book. you call— something you mentioned in your book. you call it— something you mentioned in your book. v/ii. it e cgix book. you call it intelligent. unconscious. yes so we kind of mini— unconscious. yes so we kind of inini ine— unconscious. yes so we kind of think the word— cc v/iis so we kind of think the word unconscious is neniien— think the word unconscious is freudian stuff— think the word unconscious is freudian stuff for— think the word unconscious is freudian stuff for all the bad ieeiinge— freudian stuff for all the bad ieeiinge eni— freudian stuff for all the bad feelings and negative emotions inei— feelings and negative emotions we we— feelings and negative emotions we we inw— feelings and negative emotions we we inw ie— feelings and negative emotions that we try to put— feelings and negative emotions that we try to put in the ieeiiin— that we try to put in the dustbin and— that we try to put in the dustbin and try and keep the lid on. dustbin and try and keep the lid iii— dustbin and try and keep the lid on. but actually,— dustbin and try and keep the lid on. but actually, you all know we— on. but actually, you all know we wee— on. but actually, you all know we wee en— on. but actually, you all know that you can drive— on. but actually, you all know that you can drive from your neme— that you can drive from your nene ie— that you can drive from your nene ie wew— that you can drive from your home to your office , that kind home to your office, that kind of home to your office, that kind ei ining.— home to your office, that kind ei ining. ani— home to your office, that kind of thing. and you— home to your office, that kind of thing. and you not really iniwing. — of thing. and you not really driving. you're— of thing. and you not really driving. you're unconscious . driving. you're unconscious. aiiius— driving. you're unconscious. aiiius ie— driving. you're unconscious. aukus is doing— driving. you're unconscious. aukus is doing it for you. you inini— aukus is doing it for you. you can think about— aukus is doing it for you. you can think about anything else you— can think about anything else wee iiie— can think about anything else wen iiie. iiie— can think about anything else you like, like tying your eieeieee— you like, like tying your shoelace, you - you like, like tying your shoelace, you tie your shoelace , shoelace, you tie your shoelace .-nei— shoelace, you tie your shoelace .-nei ininiing— shoelace, you tie your shoelace ,-not thinking-it. , you're not thinking about it. vee— , you're not thinking about it. ienne—ii- , you're not thinking about it. you're—it over. . , you're not thinking about it. you're—it over. and you're just handing it over. and neenie— you're just handing it over. and neeeie-neeiiee— you're just handing it over. and people realise how helpful people don't realise how helpful and people don't realise how helpful eni new— people don't realise how helpful and how powerful— people don't realise how helpful and how powerful the unconscious is. and how powerful the unconscious ie. ani— and how powerful the unconscious ie. ani inene-e— and how powerful the unconscious is. and there's a— and how powerful the unconscious is. and there's a wonderful exnenineni— is. and there's a wonderful experiment where some some eeweneiegiei— experiment where some some psychologist 90t— experiment where some some psychologist got an audience

ieei— psychologist got an audience ieei iiie— psychologist got an audience ieee iiie wee— psychologist got an audience just like you guys , maybe twice just like you guys, maybe twice as just like you guys, maybe twice ee iwiee— just like you guys, maybe twice ee iwiee ee— just like you guys, maybe twice as twice as big— just like you guys, maybe twice as twice as big and showed them , as twice as big and showed them .weii— as twice as big and showed them ,ng ne— as twice as big and showed them ,ng gee.— as twice as big and showed them , well, no, 50% and— as twice as big and showed them , well, no, 50% and tried to enew— , well, no, 50% and tried to enew inen— , well, no, 50% and tried to show them china- , well, no, 50% and tried to show them china , chinese show them china, chinese iieegnene— show them china, chinese ideograms, you- show them china, chinese ideograms, you know, chinese eneneeiene— ideograms, you know, chinese eneneeiene .— ideograms, you know, chinese characters . and— ideograms, you know, chinese characters . and they showed them characters. and they showed them and characters. and they showed them eni inen— characters. and they showed them eni inen inew— characters. and they showed them and then they came— characters. and they showed them and then they came back a few iewe— and then they came back a few iewe ieien— and then they came back a few days later and— and then they came back a few days later and they said, we're going— days later and they said, we're geing ie— days later and they said, we're geing ie enew— days later and they said, we're going to show you— days later and they said, we're going to show you some more. sene— going to show you some more. sene ei— going to show you some more. sene ei wee— going to show you some more. sene ei wen eew— going to show you some more. some of you saw last week, some we-e— some of you saw last week, some you've never seen before. we weni— you've never seen before. we weni wee— you've never seen before. we weni wee ie— you've never seen before. we want you to tell— you've never seen before. we want you to tell us which ones you— want you to tell us which ones wee eew— want you to tell us which ones wen ieei— want you to tell us which ones you saw last week— want you to tell us which ones you saw last week and they were neneieee.— you saw last week and they were neeeieee. iiie— you saw last week and they were hopeless. like we'd— you saw last week and they were hopeless. like we'd all be no geei— hopeless. like we'd all be no geei ei— hopeless. like we'd all be no geei ei eii— hopeless. like we'd all be no geei ei eii. i— hopeless. like we'd all be no good at all. i mean , just the good at all. i mean, just the same as chance.— good at all. i mean, just the same as chance. yes then they neneeiei— same as chance. yes then they neeeeiei ine — same as chance. yes then they repeated the experiment and they enewei— repeated the experiment and they enewei inen— repeated the experiment and they showed them chinese ideograms. and showed them chinese ideograms. ani inen— showed them chinese ideograms. ani inen inew— showed them chinese ideograms. and then they said— showed them chinese ideograms. and then they said to them the eeeeni — and then they said to them the eeeeni iew— and then they said to them the second day, the— and then they said to them the second day, the second day they eeii— second day, the second day they eeii. vie-ne— second day, the second day they said, we're going— second day, the second day they said, we're going to show you some more. some— said, we're going to show you some more. some of you saw last week.— some more. some of you saw last week. ei— some more. some of you saw last week. ei wee— some more. some of you saw last week, some of you saw this week. ani— week, some of you saw this week. ani we— week, some of you saw this week. ani we ieei— week, some of you saw this week. and we just want— week, some of you saw this week. and we just want to— week, some of you saw this week. and we just want to tell you wnien— and we just want to tell you wnien enee— and we just want to tell you which ones you— and we just want to tell you which ones you kind slightly which ones you kind of slightly neien.— which ones you kind of slightly neien-ieei— which ones you kind of slightly prefer.-look at— which ones you kind of slightlyj prefer.-look at-the prefer. you look at some of the enenee— prefer. you look at some of the eneeee-wee— prefer. you look at some of the shapes .you -ooh,- shapes and you think, ooh, i iiie— shapes and you think, ooh, i iiie inei— shapes and you think, ooh, i like that-and- shapes and you think, ooh, i like that and then not like that shape. and then not iee— like that shape. and then not iee ieen— like that shape. and then not iee ieen en— like that shape. and then not too keen on shape. and they too keen on that shape. and they ieii— too keen on that shape. and they ieii inen— too keen on that shape. and they ieii inen eni— too keen on that shape. and they told them and the— too keen on that shape. and they told them and the ones that they iiiei—

told them and the ones that they iiiei wee— told them and the ones that they liked were the— told them and the ones that they liked were the ones— told them and the ones that they liked were the ones they'd seen the liked were the ones they'd seen ine weei— liked were the ones they'd seen the week before. _ liked were the ones they'd seen the week before. so there's an eieneni— the week before. so there's an eieneni ei— the week before. so there's an element of familiarity to this. ieeii— element of familiarity to this. iieii wnei— element of familiarity to this. iieii wnei i— element of familiarity to this. well what i mean is that the unconscious— well what i mean is that the unconscious actually knew to wnien— unconscious actually knew to wnien enee— unconscious actually knew to which ones they'd seen . yes. but which ones they'd seen. yes. but if wee— which ones they'd seen. yes. but i wee eeiei— which ones they'd seen. yes. but i wen eeiei ii— which ones they'd seen. yes. but if you asked it a— which ones they'd seen. yes. but if you asked it a direct gneeiien— if you asked it a direct question, it— if you asked it a direct question, it it- if you asked it a direct question, it it couldn't tell you— question, it it couldn't tell wen iineeiiw. — question, it it couldn't tell you directly. it— question, it it couldn't tell you directly. it would give you a you directly. it would give you eieeiing— you directly. it would give you a feeling rather— you directly. it would give you a feeling rather than a verbal answer. now, the— a feeling rather than a verbal answer. now, the greatest of the iieneieeenee— answer. now, the greatest of the renaissance art— answer. now, the greatest of the renaissance art critics, bernard ieneneen ne— renaissance art critics, bernard berenson, he could always tell wnen— berenson, he could always tell wnen e— berenson, he could always tell when a painting— berenson, he could always tell when a painting was a fake , but when a painting was a fake, but he when a painting was a fake, but ne iiin-i— when a painting was a fake, but he didn't analyse— when a painting was a fake, but he didn't analyse the brushstroke- he didn't analyse the brushstroke . he used to sit brushstroke. he used to sit inene— brushstroke. he used to sit inene in— brushstroke. he used to sit there in front— brushstroke. he used to sit there in front of- brushstroke. he used to sit there in front of the painting, eni— there in front of the painting, eni ii— there in front of the painting, eni ii ne— there in front of the painting, and if he started— there in front of the painting, and if he started to feel eiigniiw— and if he started to feel eiigniiw iii.— and if he started to feel slightly ill, it- and if he started to feel slightly ill, it was a fake , slightly ill, it was a fake, nignie — slightly ill, it was a fake, nignie se— slightly ill, it was a fake, right? so it's- slightly ill, it was a fake, right? e “cg right? so it's about trusting your intuition. well, it's about understanding how to work with it and how you can only trust it to some extent . and you can to some extent. and you can ieei— to some extent. and you can ineei ii— to some extent. and you can ineei ii ie— to some extent. and you can trust it to some— ixsx and you can trust it to some extent. but inei— trust it to some extent. but we iini— trust it to some extent. but that kind of— trust it to some extent. but that kind of thinking where you are that kind of thinking where you eiiewing— that kind of thinking where you are allowing your— that kind of thinking where you are allowing your unconscious to give— are allowing your unconscious to give wee— are allowing your unconscious to give you information which ieeen-i— give you information which doesn't come— give you information which doesn't come to- give you information which doesn't come to you in a neat twed— doesn't come to you in a neat iweei eei— doesn't come to you in a neat iweei eei ininge—

doesn't come to you in a neat typed out things ,— doesn't come to you in a neat typed out things , it comes from typed out things, it comes from ieeiing— typed out things, it comes from ieeiing e— typed out things, it comes from feeling a certain— typed out things, it comes from feeling a certain feeling that inei— feeling a certain feeling that we iini— feeling a certain feeling that that kind of— feeling a certain feeling that that kind of thinking is very inneneni— that kind of thinking is very important for— that kind of thinking is very important for a— that kind of thinking is very important for a certain kind of nneiien. — important for a certain kind of nneiien. se— important for a certain kind of problem. so that's very interesting. - problem. so that's very interesting. c problem. so that's very- interesting. the idea that you rely on your intuition to a point, but then you apply a kind of discipline it and you've of discipline to it and you've got to do that. the critical ininiing— got to do that. the critical thinking has— got to do that. the critical thinking has-come- cgiii ciii the critical thinking has come in at the thinking has to come in at the eni— thinking has to come in at the eni. ini— thinking has to come in at the eni. iii ine— thinking has to come in at the end. but the trouble is people eien— end. but the trouble is people start thinking— end. but the trouble is people start thinking critically only ieiene— start thinking critically only before they've _ start thinking critically only before they've really developed inein— before they've really developed inein iiee— before they've really developed their idea and— before they've really developed their idea and that way you ieni— their idea and that way you ien-i gei— their idea and that way you don't get anywhere. so you have to don't get anywhere. so you have ie ieenn— don't get anywhere. so you have ie ieenn new— don't get anywhere. so you have to learn how to— don't get anywhere. so you have to learn how to create a special eneie— to learn how to create a special eneee wnene— to learn how to create a special space where you're— to learn how to create a special space where you're free from iniennenie— space where you're free from interrupts because interruptions are interrupts because interruptions ieein— interrupts because interruptions ieein ie— interrupts because interruptions are death to any— interrupts because interruptions are death to any kind of eneeiiviiw— are death to any kind of creativity and - are death to any kind of creativity and you can just sit inene— creativity and you can just sit inene ien— creativity and you can just sit there for, let's— creativity and you can just sit there for, let's say, an hour, an there for, let's say, an hour, en new— there for, let's say, an hour, en new eni— there for, let's say, an hour, an hour and a— there for, let's say, an hour, an hour and a half and just let wew— an hour and a half and just let wew nini— an hour and a half and just let wew nnini niew— an hour and a half and just let wew nnini niew .— an hour and a half and just let your mind play . say yes, because your mind play. say yes, because evenwining— your mind play. say yes, because evenwining ie— your mind play. say yes, because evenwining ie ie— your mind play. say yes, because everything to do with creativity is , everything to do with creativity ie . ie— everything to do with creativity ie . ie ie— everything to do with creativity ie . ie ie ie— everything to do with creativity is , is to do with— everything to do with creativity is , is to do with play. the is, is to do with play. the eiiiiiw— is, is to do with play. the eiiiiiw ie— is, is to do with play. the ability to play. that's interesting that you mentioned this idea of interruption because there's actually a sketch from a monty python show about the idea of a great creative beethoven in fact, being repeatedly interrupted. i think we might have clip of

think we might have a clip of this. oh it's my this. oh it's one of my favourites. chapman and favourites. graham chapman and i wneie— favourites. graham chapman and i wneie inie— favourites. graham chapman and i wneie inie .— favourites. graham chapman and i wneie inie . wi— favourites. graham chapman and i wrote this . .uk fox— c graham chapman and i wrote this . .uk fox have you wrote this. .uk fox have you ine— wrote this. .uk fox have you seen the sugar— wrote this. .uk fox have you seen the sugar bowl? \vvz?v seen the sugar bowl? no, i neven-i— seen the sugar bowl? no, i haven't seen _ seen the sugar bowl? no, i haven't seen the— seen the sugar bowl? no, i haven't seen the sugar bowl . the haven't seen the sugar bowl. the sugar bowl ? stop the sugar bowl sugar bowl? stop the sugar bowl and finish this thinking to fighting despair. so shut up . fighting despair. so shut up. no, no , no . you see the jam no, no, no. you see the jam spoon stuff? the jam spoon is the super bowl. don't get out your ratbag shovel. i don't know what you see in that piano. leave me alone . acas with roe v leave me alone. acas with roe v wade cindy yu. we wrote that before i had any of these ideas. instinctive arnie. i knew how

neni— instinctive arnie. i knew how neni ii— instinctive arnie. i knew how neni ii wee— instinctive arnie. i knew how hard it was as— instinctive arnie. i knew how hard it was as you'd be sitting inene— hard it was as you'd be sitting inene ei— hard it was as you'd be sitting inene ei nw— hard it was as you'd be sitting there at my desk— hard it was as you'd be sitting there at my desk often late at nigni.— there at my desk often late at night, because _ there at my desk often late at night, because it— there at my desk often late at night, because it was quieter eni— night, because it was quieter eni ine— night, because it was quieter eni ine nnene— night, because it was quieter and the phone wasn't ringing and i and the phone wasn't ringing and i weeii— and the phone wasn't ringing and i weeii ie— and the phone wasn't ringing and i would be sort— and the phone wasn't ringing and i would be sort of— and the phone wasn't ringing and i would be sort of building up inie— i would be sort of building up inie eene— i would be sort of building up this scene in— i would be sort of building up this scene in my— i would be sort of building up this scene in my mind and wning— this scene in my mind and wniiing ine— this scene in my mind and writing the phone would go, wee-i— writing the phone would go, wen-i enewen— writing the phone would go, you'd answer the phone, put the nnene— you'd answer the phone, put the nnene iewn— you'd answer the phone, put the phone down, and— you'd answer the phone, put the phone down, and then where were you? — phone down, and then where were you? vee— phone down, and then where were you? yes. ii— phone down, and then where were you? yes, it takes— phone down, and then where were you? v/iis . “cg you? yes, it takes something like one study said 12 minutes, another study said it's 20 minutes before you're back in the same moment in your mind that you were when you were interrupted. so the time wasted is interrupted. so the time wasted ie nege— interrupted. so the time wasted ie nege win— : so the time wasted is huge with interruptions. ' “c is huge with interruptions. and this is huge with interruptions. and inie ie— is huge with interruptions. and inie ie ine— is huge with interruptions. and this is the famous— is huge with interruptions. and this is the famous case- is huge with interruptions. and this is the famous case of coleridge writing the kubla khan is that he woke up from this fevered opium dream with this complete poem in his mind, a man from porlock knocks on the door. by from porlock knocks on the door. by the time he gets back, he's only got lines. can't only got 54 lines. he can't remember any more. so it's a tragedy lost to literature. i know. extraordinary that tragedy lost to literature. i knowfrom raordinary that tragedy lost to literature. i knowfrom porlockry that tragedy lost to literature. i knowfrom porlock just that tragedy lost to literature. i knowfrom porlock just because at tragedy lost to literature. i knowfrom porlock just because of man from porlock just because of inei— man from porlock just because of inei-eni— man from porlock just because of inei-eni inei— man from porlock just because of that and that sketch, that man and that sketch, i mean, you mentioned that you wneie— mean, you mentioned that you wrote-graham- mean, you mentioned that you- wrote-graham chapman. wrote that with graham chapman. and wrote that with graham chapman. ani i— wrote that with graham chapman. ani i wenein— wrote that with graham chapman. and i wonder about— wrote that with graham chapman. and i wonder about whether- wrote that with graham chapman. and i wonder about whether when you talk about idea, you talk about this idea, that instinct needs to be reckoned

with. don't this with. i don't like this word instinct, because it's instinct, you see, because it's got too many connotations, right? iwould got too many connotations, right? i would rather say eeneining— right? i would rather say something like- ” ch7 i would rather say something like faster thinking , something like faster thinking, wnien— something like faster thinking, wnien ie— something like faster thinking, which is what— something like faster thinking, which is what we're taught in nine.— which is what we're taught in neine. vee— which is what we're taught in maths. you know,— which is what we're taught in maths. you know, train leaves iiiniwgn— maths. you know, train leaves edinburgh, such— maths. you know, train leaves edinburgh, such and such a speed and edinburgh, such and such a speed eni wein— edinburgh, such and such a speed and train leaves— edinburgh, such and such a speed and train leaves london at such eni— and train leaves london at such eni enen— and train leaves london at such eni enen e— and train leaves london at such and such a speed,— and train leaves london at such and such a speed, you know, and, eni— and such a speed, you know, and, eni ine— and such a speed, you know, and, and the distances— and such a speed, you know, and, and the distances at— and such a speed, you know, and, and the distances at what point do and the distances at what point ie inew— and the distances at what point ie inew enee-n— and the distances at what point do they crash. yes— and the distances at what point do they crash. yes you know that iini— do they crash. yes you know that iini ei— do they crash. yes you know that iini ei ining.— do they crash. yes you know that kind of thing. you— do they crash. yes you know that kind of thing. you don't need any— kind of thing. you don't need any intuition— kind of thing. you don't need any intuition or— kind of thing. you don't need any intuition or creativity , its any intuition or creativity, its ieiiw— any intuition or creativity, its fully understood— any intuition or creativity, its fully understood logic. so to apity— fully understood logic. so to apply a_ fully understood logic. so to apply a creativity to a problem iie— apply a creativity to a problem iiie inei— apply a creativity to a problem iiie inei ie— apply a creativity to a problem like that is ridiculous. but if wene— like that is ridiculous. but if wee inwing— like that is ridiculous. but if wee inwing ie— like that is ridiculous. but if you're trying to think, how do i eeninei— you're trying to think, how do i eeninei ii— you're trying to think, how do i control if you're _ you're trying to think, how do i control if you're a— you're trying to think, how do i control if you're a manager , how control if you're a manager, how do control if you're a manager, how ie i— control if you're a manager, how ie i eeninei— control if you're a manager, how do i control this— control if you're a manager, how do i control this slightly iiiiieeii— do i control this slightly difficult group? you don't serve inn.— difficult group? you don't serve inei. vee— difficult group? you don't serve that. you don't— difficult group? you don't serve that. you don't solve that by ieie— that. you don't solve that by ieie eni— that. you don't solve that by lots and lots— that. you don't solve that by lots and lots of— that. you don't solve that by lots and lots of quick , sharp, lots and lots of quick, sharp, iegieei— lots and lots of quick, sharp, logical thinking— lots and lots of quick, sharp, logical thinking . so you have to logical thinking. so you have to sit logical thinking. so you have to eii ieei— logical thinking. so you have to eii ieei eni— logical thinking. so you have to sit back and sort— logical thinking. so you have to sit back and sort of absorb it. ani— sit back and sort of absorb it. ani inei-e— sit back and sort of absorb it. and that's where _ sit back and sort of absorb it. and that's where you need to eeie— and that's where you need to eeie e— and that's where you need to create a creative— and that's where you need to create a creative space where wee— create a creative space where wee en— create a creative space where wen ieei— create a creative space where wen inei eii— create a creative space where you can just sit quietly. and of ine— you can just sit quietly. and of course, the first— you can just sit quietly. and of course, the first thing you do wnen— course, the first thing you do wnen wee— course, the first thing you do wnen wee eii— course, the first thing you do when you sit down, you shut the ieen— when you sit down, you shut the ieen eni— when you sit down, you shut the ieen eni wee— when you sit down, you shut the door and you say,— when you sit down, you shut the door and you say, right, the ini— door and you say, right, the iinei ining— door and you say, right, the first thing you— door and you say, right, the first thing you think, i should neve—

first thing you think, i should neve eeiiei— first thing you think, i should have called bob,— first thing you think, i should have called bob, right ? and then have called bob, right? and then you have called bob, right? and then wen inengni— have called bob, right? and then wen inengni eni— have called bob, right? and then you thought and i— have called bob, right? and then you thought and i forgot to buy the you thought and i forgot to buy ine eei— you thought and i forgot to buy ine eei e— you thought and i forgot to buy the cat a birthday— you thought and i forgot to buy the cat a birthday present. yeah all the cat a birthday present. yeah eii ineee— the cat a birthday present. yeah all those -things. - the cat a birthday present. yeah all those things. oh, and all those other things. oh, and inen— all those other things. oh, andj inen—ennneeei all those other things. oh, and. then—supposed to then that book i was supposed to ewin— then that book i was supposed to newin ie— then that book i was supposed to newin ie eii— then that book i was supposed to return to all these— then that book i was supposed to return to all these things. inene-e— return to all these things. there's. little - return to all these things. there's little like there's a little bit like meditation— there's a little bit like meditation because all meditation because you get all ineee— meditation because you get all ineee eiiiw— meditation because you get all these silly little _ meditation because you get all these silly little trivial iieee— these silly little trivial ideas, but— these silly little trivial ideas, but if- these silly little trivial ideas, but if you just sit there iiie— ideas, but if you just sit there iiie ine— ideas, but if you just sit there like the buddhists say, the eieeiw— like the buddhists say, the cloudy water— like the buddhists say, the cloudy water begins to settle . cloudy water begins to settle. ani— cloudy water begins to settle. ani enen— cloudy water begins to settle. and after about— cloudy water begins to settle. and after about 15, 20 minutes, you— and after about 15, 20 minutes, wee eien— and after about 15, 20 minutes, wen eien geiiing— and after about 15, 20 minutes, you start getting ideas , but you start getting ideas, but we-ve— you start getting ideas, but you've no idea— you start getting ideas, but you've no idea if they're any geei— you've no idea if they're any geei . — you've no idea if they're any geei . ani— you've no idea if they're any good . and does- you've no idea if they're any good . ' “c c you've no idea if they're any good . '“c good. and does that work with the collaborative process as well? does that work when you have graham chapman in the room or the other pythons? once you've learned to trust- 7 once you've learned to trust each einene— you've learned to trust each other? being other? because when you're being eneeiive— other? because when you're being eneeiivee—— other? because when you're being eneeiivee— venw- other? because when you're being creative—a very odd. creative and this is a very odd ining.— creative and this is a very odd ining-neven— creative and this is a very odd thing, never taught at thing, you never taught at eeneei— thing, you never taught atj school,_being school, when you're being eneeiive— school, when you're being eneeiive .— school, when you're being creative ,lthere - school, when you're being creative , there no such creative, if there is no such ining— creative, if there is no such ining ee— creative, if there is no such ining ee e— creative, if there is no such thing as a mistake , because thing as a mistake, because eniii— thing as a mistake, because eniii wee— thing as a mistake, because until you explore it out, you neve— until you explore it out, you neve ne— until you explore it out, you have no idea— until you explore it out, you have no idea whether it will ieei— have no idea whether it will ieei wee— have no idea whether it will ieei wee in— have no idea whether it will lead you in an— have no idea whether it will lead you in an interesting iineeiien— lead you in an interesting direction or— lead you in an interesting direction or not. and if you eien— direction or not. and if you start criticising— direction or not. and if you start criticising your stuff ieiene— start criticising your stuff before, you've _ start criticising your stuff before, you've just sat there eni— before, you've just sat there eni niewei— before, you've just sat there and played with— before, you've just sat there and played with it innocently, not and played with it innocently, nei inewing— and played with it innocently, not knowing where you're going, if not knowing where you're going, i wee—

not knowing where you're going, i wee eien— not knowing where you're going, if you start criticising the wneie — if you start criticising the whole thing— if you start criticising the whole thing collapses and you get whole thing collapses and you gei newenen— whole thing collapses and you gei newenen i— whole thing collapses and you get nowhere. i think it's a disappointment. get nowhere. i think it's a disappointment . you must tell me disappointment. you must tell me ieeeeee— disappointment. you must tell me ieeeeee iii— disappointment. you must tell me ieeeeee iii wee— disappointment. you must tell me because did you do— disappointment. you must tell me because did you do english? yesi_ because did you do english? vee. i— because did you do english? yes. i ii.— because did you do english? yes. i ii. i— because did you do english? yes, i did. i studied- because did you do english? yes, i did. i studied english. well, you see, i think if you eiiiw— well, you see, i think if you einiw ingiien— well, you see, i think if you study english and then you start inwing— study english and then you start inwing ie— study english and then you start inwing ie wniie— study english and then you start inwing ie wniie e— study english and then you start trying to write a novel and you wniie— trying to write a novel and you wniie e— trying to write a novel and you write a sentence,— trying to write a novel and you write a sentence, you and write a sentence, you know, and wee— write a sentence, you know, and wee-inni— write a sentence, you know, and wee-inini .— write a sentence, you know, and wee-inini . en.- write a sentence, you know, and you think , oh, that's you suddenly think, oh, that's a big you suddenly think, oh, that's a iig gneni— you suddenly think, oh, that's a iig gneni gneen— you suddenly think, oh, that's a big grand green that ship did not big grand green that ship did nei-ani— big grand green that ship did nei-ani wee- not do that. and you write eneinen— not do that. and you write another sentence. not do that. and you write- another sentence. -what another sentence. you see what i nneen— another sentence. you see what i neene-eni— another sentence. you see what i neene-eni en— another sentence. you see what i mean? end up sounding like mean? you end up sounding like all mean? you end up sounding like eii wew— mean? you end up sounding like all your heroes. _ mean? you end up sounding like all your heroes. v/iie“ mean? you end up sounding like all your heroes. / all your heroes. yeah, that's right. and imitating. so you're having all these— . ch '“c “cg so you're having all these interrupt eniene— having all these interrupt options, which— having all these interrupt options, which you're actually eneeiing—ewni creating yourself in your own mini.— creating yourself in your own mind-_you'vel mind. so that's why you've got to mind. so that's why you've got ie-eni— mind. so that's why you've got ie-eni inen- mind. so that's why you've got to-and then let,- mind. so that's why you've got to and then let, let to get quiet and then let, let iieee— to get quiet and then let, let ineee eiiiw— to get quiet and then let, let these silly little _ to get quiet and then let, let these silly little thoughts eeiiie— these silly little thoughts eeiiie .— these silly little thoughts eeiiie . i— these silly little thoughts settle . i always have a yellow settle. i always have a yellow eiiiw— settle. i always have a yellow eiieiw inene— settle. i always have a yellow eiieiw inene .— settle. i always have a yellow sticky there . so— settle. i always have a yellow sticky there . so if— settle. i always have a yellow sticky there . so if it says call sticky there. so if it says call aninew— sticky there. so if it says call aninew iewie— sticky there. so if it says call andrew doyle .— sticky there. so if it says call andrew doyle . oh, i just call andrew doyle. oh, i just call aninew— andrew doyle. oh, i just call andrew doyle— andrew doyle. oh, i just call andrew doyle and then i can iengei—i-ve- forget about it once i've wniiien— forget about it once i've written .on _ forget about it once i've writtenlon the - forget about it once i've written on the sticky and written it on the sticky and inen— written it on the sticky and inen iei— written it on the sticky and then let the _ written it on the sticky and then let the cloudy water settle eni— then let the cloudy water settle eni inen — then let the cloudy water settle and then - have _ then let the cloudy water settle and then have ideas and and then just have ideas and inen— and then just have ideas and then-because- and then just have ideas and then-because it- and then just have ideas and then because it doesn't then play because it doesn't neien— then play because it doesn't neien new— then play because it doesn't matter how clever or intelligent or well—informed— matter how clever or intelligent or well—informed you are, if you een-i— or well—informed you are, if you een-i niew— or well—informed you are, if you een-i niew .— or well—informed you are, if you een-i niew . wen-ii— or well—informed you are, if you can't play , you'll never be can't play, you'll never be eneeiive — can't play, you'll never be

creative. and— can't play, you'll never be creative. . v: can't play, you'll never be creative. “c siv“cg can't play, you'll never be creative. sv“cg can't play, you'll never be creative. s“cg . creative. and how long did it take for you with the other pythons to get to a position where you trusted each other and have that freedom to play? a bit like dating ? well the _ have that freedom to play? a bit like dating ? well the first- c 7 a bit like dating ? well the first time like dating? well the first time you like dating? well the first time wee ieie— like dating? well the first time wen ieie. wee— like dating? well the first time you date, you don't want to say eeneining— you date, you don't want to say something stupid— you date, you don't want to say something stupid to you. you knew— something stupid to you. you knew wnei— something stupid to you. you knew we i— something stupid to you. you know what i mean? yes. and you got know what i mean? yes. and you gei ie— know what i mean? yes. and you gei ie gei— know what i mean? yes. and you gei ie gei ie— know what i mean? yes. and you gei ie gei ie ine— know what i mean? yes. and you got to get to the point where wene— got to get to the point where wee-ne—wiinl you're relaxed enough with| someone and you feel very comfortable— someone and you feel very comfortable them. someone and you feel very comfortable .them. at comfortable with them. and at inei— comfortable with them. and at we point— comfortable with them. and at we neini wee— comfortable with them. and at that point you could say enwining— that point you could say anything like— that point you could say anything like you and me, we neve— anything like you and me, we neve venw— anything like you and me, we neve venw we— anything like you and me, we have very we have a very good eneeiive— have very we have a very good creative _with - have very we have a very good creative _with our. creative relationship with our enegene— creative relationship with our shoguns coming— creative relationship with our shoguns coming because we shoguns coming up because we ieei— shoguns coming up because we ieei inw— shoguns coming up because we ieei inw ininge— shoguns coming up because we just try things and we might say eeneining— just try things and we might say eeneining venw— just try things and we might say something very stupid, but it ieeen-i— something very stupid, but it doesn't matter— something very stupid, but it doesn't matter because it might ieei— doesn't matter because it might ieei ie— doesn't matter because it might lead to something— doesn't matter because it might lead to something very interesting. - lead to something very interesting. v/iis .iige interesting. yes, absolutely. iii— interesting. yes, absolutely. iii-niew— interesting. yes, absolutely. but.play thing- interesting. yes, absolutely. but-play thing is- but this play thing is absolutely- but this play thing is absolutely crucial . and the absolutely crucial. and the gneeieei— absolutely crucial. and the greatest research ever done was iene— greatest research ever done was iene iw— greatest research ever done was iene iw en— greatest research ever done was done by an american, cormac cenen— done by an american, cormac cenen in— done by an american, cormac cenen in ine— done by an american, cormac conan in the 60— done by an american, cormac conan in the 60 seconds on aneniieeie— conan in the 60 seconds on aneniieeie .— conan in the 60 seconds on architects . he— conan in the 60 seconds on architects . he was particularly architects. he was particularly inieneeiei— architects. he was particularly interested in— architects. he was particularly interested in architect acts, eni— interested in architect acts, eni ne— interested in architect acts, eni ne weni— interested in architect acts, and he went around the creative eneniieeie— and he went around the creative architects and— and he went around the creative architects and said, what do you do architects and said, what do you ie inen — architects and said, what do you ie inen ine— architects and said, what do you do from the moment you get up in the do from the moment you get up in ine nenning— do from the moment you get up in ine nenning ie— do from the moment you get up in the morning to the— do from the moment you get up in the morning to the moment you go

to the morning to the moment you go ie nei— the morning to the moment you go ie iei ei— the morning to the moment you go ie iei ei nignie— the morning to the moment you go to bed at night? and— the morning to the moment you go to bed at night? and then he weni— to bed at night? and then he went around— to bed at night? and then he went around the— to bed at night? and then he went around the non—creative eneniieeie. — went around the non—creative architects. - didn't- went around the non—creative architects. didn't tell architects. so he didn't tell inen — architects. so he didn't tell inen _wi- architects. so he didn't tell them _that he them that. why that was why he wee-ie— them that. why that was why he wee-ie inen— them that. why that was why he wee-ie inen .— them that. why that was why he was-to them . and- them that. why that was why he was to them . and he was talking to them. and he eeii— was talking to them. and he eeie-ie— was talking to them. and he eeii-ie wee- was talking to them. and he said,-do you-in- was talking to them. and he said, do you in the said, what do you do in the nenning— said, what do you do in the morning from _ said, what do you do in the morning from the morning? and you morning from the morning? and wee-eni— morning from the morning? and wee-eni ine— morning from the morning? and you-and the and- morning from the morning? and you and the and the only you get up and the and the only iiiienenee— you get up and the and the only difference _things. - you get up and the and the only difference things. one difference was two things. one inei— difference was two things. one inei ine — difference was two things. one was that the creative architects eeeii — was that the creative architects eenii niew— was that the creative architects eenii niew .— was that the creative architects eenii niew . inew— was that the creative architects could play . they could just sit could play. they could just sit inene— could play. they could just sit inene win— could play. they could just sit there with ideas— could play. they could just sit there with ideas .— could play. they could just sit there with ideas . and just just there with ideas. and just just play— there with ideas. and just just niew eni— there with ideas. and just just niew eni ine— there with ideas. and just just play and the other thing which is interesting— play and the other thing which is interesting in— play and the other thing which is interesting in the opposite of is interesting in the opposite ei evenwining.— is interesting in the opposite of everything, we believe in, in our of everything, we believe in, in eeeieiw. — of everything, we believe in, in eeeieiw. ie— of everything, we believe in, in our society, is that— of everything, we believe in, in our society, is that the eneeiive— our society, is that the creative architects took as long as creative architects took as long ee neeeiiie— creative architects took as long ee neeeiiie ie— creative architects took as long as possible to make up their nini— as possible to make up their nnini . — as possible to make up their nnini . vee— as possible to make up their mind . v/iis c because they mind. yes, because. because they iiin-i— mind. yes, because. because they iiin-i neii— mind. yes, because. because they didn't hold anything— mind. yes, because. because they didn't hold anything up.- mind. v/iis c because they didn't hold anything up. but the first didn't hold anything up. but the iinei ene— didn't hold anything up. but the iinei i— didn't hold anything up. but the first one i made— didn't hold anything up. but the first one i made many years ago , first one i made many years ago i , first one i made many years ago . i ieei— first one i made many years ago . i ieei ie— first one i made many years ago , i used to make— first one i made many years ago , i used to make training films eni— , i used to make training films eni ine— , i used to make training films eni ine ieei— , i used to make training films and the best lesson i ever ieennei— and the best lesson i ever ieennei ie— and the best lesson i ever learned is if— and the best lesson i ever learned is if you have a ieeieien— learned is if you have a decision often- learned is if you have a decision often to make the first geeeiien— decision often to make the first gneeiien wee— decision often to make the first question you must— decision often to make the first question you must ask is always . wnen— question you must ask is always . wnen ieee— question you must ask is always , when does this— question you must ask is always , when does this decision have to , when does this decision have ie ie— , when does this decision have ie ie neie— , when does this decision have ie ie neie e— , when does this decision have to be made ? and— , when does this decision have to be made ? and you make it at

to be made? and you make it at inei— to be made? and you make it at we weini.— to be made? and you make it at we neini. iei— to be made? and you make it at that point, but you— to be made? and you make it at that point, but you don't make it that point, but you don't make ii ieiene— that point, but you don't make it before because— that point, but you don't make it before because you may get new information _ it before because you may get new information and you may get iieee— new information and you may get iieee .— new information and you may get iieee . se— new information and you may get new ideas . so why— new information and you may get new ideas . so why hurry the new ideas. so why hurry the neeee— new ideas. so why hurry the neeee ie— new ideas. so why hurry the process is instead of using all ine— process is instead of using all ine ine— process is instead of using all the time you've— process is instead of using all the time you've got for new iieee— the time you've got for new iieee eni— the time you've got for new ideas and new— the time you've got for new ideas and new information , you ideas and new information, you wnei— ideas and new information, you wnei neenie— ideas and new information, you see what people want to be ieeieive — see what people want to be decisive and _ see what people want to be decisive and they think it's all eieei—ien-i- decisive and they think it's all eieei—ien-i. - decisive and they think it's alli about—isn't . well, about this. and it isn't. well, wnen— about this. and it isn't. well, when wee— about this. and it isn't. well, when wee wene— about this. and it isn't. well, when you were writing life of brian, took brian, for instance, you took yourself away bahamas. yourself away to the bahamas. i believe, the group. and believe, with the group. and yeah , barbatus, i think,- cgiii. and yeah , barbatus, i think, oh, yeah, barbatus, i think, oh, ienieiee. — yeah, barbatus, i think, oh, barbados. _werel yeah, barbatus, i think, oh,- barbados. _were willing barbados. and you were willing to explore lovely. we just to explore those lovely. we just talked to explore those lovely. we just ieiiei eieei— to explore those lovely. we just talked about the _ to explore those lovely. we just talked about the movie- we just talked about the movie for two wneie— talked about the movie for two wneie weeke— talked about the movie for two whole weeks and— talked about the movie for two whole weeks and didn't rush it in wnei— whole weeks and didn't rush it in we wee— whole weeks and didn't rush it in what you weren't rushing it in what you weren't rushing it in inei— in what you weren't rushing it in we way?— in what you weren't rushing it in that way? no,— in what you weren't rushing it in that way? no, we were taking our in that way? no, we were taking ine— in that way? no, we were taking iine. ani— in that way? no, we were taking our time. and as— in that way? no, we were taking our time. and as terry jones eeii— our time. and as terry jones eeii. we— our time. and as terry jones said, we weren't— our time. and as terry jones said, we weren't having to take the said, we weren't having to take ine iiie— said, we weren't having to take ine iiie ie— said, we weren't having to take the kids to dentist, but you the kids to the dentist, but you eeiii— the kids to the dentist, but you eeeii ieei— the kids to the dentist, but you eenii ieei eii— the kids to the dentist, but you could just sit-with- the kids to the dentist, but you could just sit with it all could just sit there with it all ine— could just sit there with it all ine ine— could just sit there with it all ine iine .— could just sit there with it all the time . and— could just sit there with it all the time . and we got the whole the time. and we got the whole eenei— the time. and we got the whole eenini neeiiw— the time. and we got the whole script really done— the time. and we got the whole script really done in in two eeei — script really done in in two eeei ani— script really done in in two weeks. and you- script really done in in two weeks. “c c: script really done in in two weeks. script really done in in two- weeks. and you could say there must have been so many examples where someone might suggest something if were afraid of something if they were afraid of making mistakes or seeing silly seeming then nothing. seeming silly, then nothing. would you don't get anywhere. no, anywhere at

no, you don't get anywhere at eii— no, you don't get anywhere at eii. ani— no, you don't get anywhere at eii. ani ine— no, you don't get anywhere at all. and the thing is, if you weni—inl want to creative ideas in a gene— want to creative ideas in a gene .— want to creative ideas in a gene . ine— want to creative ideas in a gene . ine iew— want to creative ideas in a group , the key is diversity . group, the key is diversity. iieiiw. — group, the key is diversity. motty. because _ group, the key is diversity. motty. because if you get a lot of motty. because if you get a lot ei niiiie— motty. because if you get a lot of middle aged— motty. because if you get a lot of middle aged white men sitting in e— of middle aged white men sitting in a room on some— of middle aged white men sitting in a room on some project at the eni— in a room on some project at the eni ei— in a room on some project at the eni ei n,— in a room on some project at the eni ei n, inew— in a room on some project at the end of it, they will— in a room on some project at the end of it, they will all say, wnei— end of it, they will all say, wnei e— end of it, they will all say, what a splendid business it was and what a splendid business it was eni inew-i— what a splendid business it was and they'd love— what a splendid business it was and they'd love to— what a splendid business it was and they'd love to do it again. t hey— and they'd love to do it again. inew inengni— and they'd love to do it again. they thought it— and they'd love to do it again. they thought it was very worthwhile _ they thought it was very worthwhile and they come up with all, worthwhile and they come up with eii eiew— worthwhile and they come up with eii okay in— worthwhile and they come up with all, okay, i'm sorry,— worthwhile and they come up with all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm going— all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm geing ie— all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm geing ie neve— all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm going to have to— all, okay, i'm sorry, john, i'm going to have to apologise if enwene— going to have to apologise if anyone was offended by the nineee— anyone was offended by the nnneee. weii— anyone was offended by the phrase, well, i— anyone was offended by the phrase, well, i didn't know. was eiieneive— phrase, well, i didn't know. was offensive. john— phrase, well, i didn't know. was offensive. john i'm— phrase, well, i didn't know. was offensive. john i'm afraid it's ieeeeee— offensive. john i'm afraid it's because he's— offensive. john i'm afraid it's because he's before the watershed— because he's before the watershed. - because he's before the watershed . v/ii. because he's before the watershed. v/ii. because he's before the- watershed . you see, he's before watershed. you see, he's before the watershed. so before the water. and it's a sabbath , john. water. and it's a sabbath, john. so really, i'm. we're going to take a break now . we're going to take a break now. we're going to carry on, though, after the break. we much more to say. break. we have much more to say. some is ofcom compliant. some of it is ofcom compliant. i'll see in minutes. i'll see you in a few minutes. i do apologise .

welcome back to free speech nation . welcome back to free speech weiien win— . welcome back to free speech nation with me,— welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. i'd nation with me, andrew doyle. i-i ieei— nation with me, andrew doyle. i-i ieei iiie— nation with me, andrew doyle. i-i ieei iiie ie— nation with me, andrew doyle. i'd just like to apologise- nation with me, andrew doyle. i'd just like to apologise again for bad language that we had for the bad language that we had before the john, can we? before the break. john, can we? yeah. apologise . you can slap yeah. i apologise. you can slap me yeah. i apologise. you can slap ne en ine— yeah. i apologise. you can slap me on the right— yeah. i apologise. you can slap me on the right .— v/iie v“ cg you can slap me on the right . osteoporosis v/iie v“ cg you can slap me on the right. osteoporosis is . iii— me on the right. osteoporosis is . iii i— me on the right. osteoporosis is . did i apologise,— me on the right. osteoporosis is . did i apologise, john,- me on the right. osteoporosis is . did i apologise, john, anyway. well, if you hadn't sworn, we wouldn't have had to do that . wouldn't have had to do that. okay. we've brought in our panel here. we have diane and bruce . here. we have diane and bruce. we're listening in on that. and of course, diane, you know, you're stand comedian you're a stand up comedian as well. you go through this creative process. anything creative process. did anything that with you? that john say resonate with you? a lot resonated i a lot resonated with me. i ineegni— a lot resonated with me. i- ineegni—eieei thought it was interesting about the thought it was interesting about ine ieening— thought it was interesting about the leaning into— thought it was interesting about the leaning into it and sort of ieiiing— the leaning into it and sort of ieiiing ii— the leaning into it and sort of letting it wash— the leaning into it and sort of letting it wash into you because i'm letting it wash into you because in eiwewe— letting it wash into you because i'm always rewriting us because eivieeeiw— i'm always rewriting us because eivieeeiw i— i'm always rewriting us because obviously i need— i'm always rewriting us because obviously i need to sort of, you knew— obviously i need to sort of, you knew. neve— obviously i need to sort of, you knew. neve i— obviously i need to sort of, you know, have i got— obviously i need to sort of, you know, have i got the right word? am know, have i got the right word? in i— know, have i got the right word? in i wning— know, have i got the right word? in i wniiing ii— know, have i got the right word? am 1 writing it in— know, have i got the right word? am i writing it in the right enien— am i writing it in the right eniene iii— am i writing it in the right order? did you— am i writing it in the right order? did you have any nenieeien— order? did you have any particular habits that you neiieei— particular habits that you noticed about— particular habits that you noticed about yourself? because i noticed about yourself? because i wiii— noticed about yourself? because i wiii wniie— noticed about yourself? because i will write jokes— noticed about yourself? because i will write jokes in the wrong enien—

i will write jokes in the wrong enien eni— i will write jokes in the wrong order and it's— i will write jokes in the wrong order and it's only after i've iene— order and it's only after i've iene inen— order and it's only after i've done them for— order and it's only after i've done them for a— order and it's only after i've done them for a couple of years, inenieeiiw— done them for a couple of years, inenieeiiw. in— done them for a couple of years, ironically, in front— done them for a couple of years, ironically, in front of a crowd inei— ironically, in front of a crowd inei iii— ironically, in front of a crowd that i'll suddenly go, oh, my geei— that i'll suddenly go, oh, my geei gniei— that i'll suddenly go, oh, my good grief, that— that i'll suddenly go, oh, my good grief, that needs be good grief, that needs to be eennieieiw— completely switched around and inen— completely switched around and inen-iwiee— completely switched around and inen-iwiee ee— completely switched around and then twice as good. v/iis then it's twice as good. yes, weii— then it's twice as good. yes, weii. inene-e— then it's twice as good. yes, well, there's about six different there. one different points in there. one is greatest teacher you is that the greatest teacher you ever have in comedy ? the ever have in comedy? the audience, right? yeah. yeah because they tell you if it's funny and as my daughter once said, being a comedian is a bit like being a matador because the feedback is so immediate. yeah yes. you know , i've met your yes. you know, i've met your daughter. she's lovely. she's eineei— daughter. she's lovely. she's eineei ee— daughter. she's lovely. she's almost as tall— daughter. she's lovely. she's almost as tall as— daughter. she's lovely. she's almost as tall as you- ccg she's lovely. she's almost as tall as you . 'v“c . almost as tall as you. and it neiee— almost as tall as you. and it neien wee— almost as tall as you. and it neiee wee ee— almost as tall as you. and it makes you so vulnerable , doesn't makes you so vulnerable, doesn't it? you know, that's why people in their early days of stand up, because of that immediacy of the reaction, it's not like a drama where they just sit there where they can just sit there in silence fine. you silence and it's fine. you you depend them. and also it's, depend on them. and also it's, you depend on them. and also it's, wee inew— depend on them. and also it's, wee knew-ie- depend on them. and also it's, you know,_do trying. depend on them. and also it's, you know,_do trying to you know, what we do trying to neie—ie- you know, what we do trying to neie—ie e- you know, what we do trying to neie—ie e venwl make people laugh is a very, venw— make people laugh is a very, very difficult.— make people laugh is a very, very difficult. and when you in,— very difficult. and when you fail,-terrible- very difficult. and when you fail,-terrible . - very difficult. and when you fail, terrible . v/ii. fail, you feel terrible. you ieei— fail, you feel terrible. you feel terrible. _ fail, you feel terrible. you feel terrible. bruce but every day i've no idea. i'm not happy . but how do you go about with

your your creative process? quite different because you largely do it emceeing rather than written sets, don't you? so that's a different kind of creativity. it's spontaneity, i suppose, yeah, suppose, or schizophrene yeah, some might call it. some people might call it. yeah. no, i don't know. ijust ienn— yeah. no, i don't know. ijust ienn en.— yeah. no, i don't know. ijust ienn in. i-ve— yeah. no, i don't know. ijust turn up. i've never- yeah. no, i don't know. ijust turn up. i've never really ineegni— turn up. i've never really thought about- turn up. i've never really thought about it, if you see wnei— thought about it, if you see we i— thought about it, if you see what i mean.— thought about it, if you see what i mean. don't really see what i mean. i don't really see inen— what i mean. i don't really see inei-inneegn— what i mean. i don't really see that.-through-orj that. i go through a process or wneieven.— that. i go through a process or whatever. it's— that. i go through a process or whatever. it'sjust_ that. i go through a process or whatever. it's just i that. i go through a process or whatever. it'sjust i do that. i go through a process or whatever. it's just i do what i— whatever. it's just i do what i-inei- whatever. it's just i do what ever i that sounds really ever i know. that sounds really iini— ever i know. that sounds really iini-wee. — kind of merely you. dumas nneneneiien— kind of merely you. dumas preparation, no preparation, though. no, no, no . vee— preparation, though. no, no, no . you see, we're all- preparation, though. no, no, no v/ii. . ic v/ii. . you see, we're all tired. you and eddie is right. i hate you guys because you don't do any work. i'm not standing for ieeenn.— work. i'm not standing for ieiew. ee— work. i'm not standing for labour, so don't- i'm not standing for labour, so don't hate me. no, iei— labour, so don't hate me. no, iei inei-e— labour, so don't hate me. no, iei inei-e venw— labour, so don't hate me. no, but that's very interesting ieeeeee— but that's very interesting because someone like eddie weeni— because someone like eddie izzeni. wne— because someone like eddie izzard, who has— because someone like eddie izzard, who has that spontaneity inei— izzard, who has that spontaneity inei geee— izzard, who has that spontaneity inei geee en— izzard, who has that spontaneity inei geee en ee— izzard, who has that spontaneity that goes on as he— izzard, who has that spontaneity that goes on as he walks on eiege— that goes on as he walks on eiege. ne— that goes on as he walks on stage, he doesn't- that goes on as he walks on stage, he doesn't know what he's going— stage, he doesn't know what he's geing ie— stage, he doesn't know what he's geing ie eew. — stage, he doesn't know what he's geing ie eew. on.— stage, he doesn't know what he's going to say. 0“ 7g stage, he doesn't know what he's going to say. 0“ going to say. oh, terrify me. yes. i going to say. oh, terrify me. yes. i nneen— going to say. oh, terrify me. yes. i mean, don't- going to say. oh, terrify me. yes. i mean, don't get- going to say. 0“ 7g v/iis i mean, don't get me wrong. yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. i-ve— yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. i-ve gei— yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. i-ve gei e— yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. i-ve gei e eennie— yes. i mean, don't get me wrong. i've got a couple of— v/iis i mean, don't get me wrong. i've got a couple of bits that i iei— i've got a couple of bits that i inei eei— i've got a couple of bits that i inei eei een— i've got a couple of bits that i trot out sort of— i've got a couple of bits that i trot out sort of thing, but by eni— trot out sort of thing, but by eni ienge— trot out sort of thing, but by and large, it's— trot out sort of thing, but by and large, it's just like, oh, wnei— and large, it's just like, oh, wnei ne— and large, it's just like, oh, what now? am _ and large, it's just like, oh, what now? am i— and large, it's just like, oh, what now? am i at work? like inie— what now? am i at work? like inie ie— what now? am i at work? like inie ie e— what now? am i at work? like inie ie e nege— what now? am i at work? like this is a huge inconvenience. vee— this is a huge inconvenience. wee—geiii- this is a huge inconvenience.- yes_quick blether yes so just have a quick blether win— yes so just have a quick blether win-inew— yes so just have a quick blether with-they seem- with them and they seem fine. wneie— with them and they seem fine. wneie vee— with them and they seem fine. what? you were— with them and they seem fine. what? you were talking- with them and they seem fine. what? you were talking about, you know what i call the

carpentry when you've got the idea . but are you getting the idea. but are you getting the phrases right? that seems to me technical . that doesn't seem to technical. that doesn't seem to be particularly creative . that's be particularly creative. that's something to do as we something we learn to do as we go along. but the creativity is the idea that before we apply the idea that before we apply the carpentry , i totally see the carpentry, i totally see what you mean because but equally at the same time, i find that a very particular word will have such a certain rhythmic flavour and it will suddenly elevate, elevate the whole thing . but also because sometimes you get a word and you suddenly get a new idea. yeah. yes. and that takes you off? yes > and we eeieeiiw— takes you off? yes > and we actually don't— takes you off? yes > and we actually don't have- iii�*"7 v/iis > and we actually don't have much time. iei— actually don't have much time. iei i— actually don't have much time. iei i ieei— actually don't have much time. iei i ieei weni— actually don't have much time. but i just want to— actually don't have much time. but i just want to come to you, jenn,— but i just want to come to you, ienn. finally— but i just want to come to you, john, finally, about this. aiiewei— john, finally, about this. allowed _wordl john, finally, about this. allowed _word no, allowed to say the word yes, no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let nin— no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let nip-iei— no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let nip-iei iei— no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let rip. .but but this— no, no, no. at 9:00, you can let rip.-but but this show- at 9:00, you can let rip. but but this show won't rip. oh, but but this show won't be — rip. oh, but but this show won't be inen— rip. oh, but but this show won't be on. then what?— rip. oh, but but this show won't be on. then what? so you'll be eei— be on. then what? so you'll be eei in— be on. then what? so you'll be eei in ine— be on. then what? so you'll be out in the car— be on. then what? so you'll be out in the car park— be on. then what? so you'll be out in the car park so you can do out in the car park so you can ie ii— out in the car park so you can ie ii inene. — out in the car park so you can do it there. oh,— out in the car park so you can do it there. oh, this is most iieenneiniing— do it there. oh, this is most disappointing, john. i want ieiene— disappointing, john. i want before - because - disappointing, john. i want before because we don't before we go, because we don't neve— before we go, because we don't neve-ine— before we go, because we don'ti have _time.-quickly have much time. just to quickly ask have much time. just to quickly eei wee— have much time. just to quickly eei wen eieei— have much time. just to quickly ask you about show that ask you about the show that we are ask you about the show that we ene—ei— ask you about the show that we ene—ei ine- ask you about the show that we are—at the momenti ask you about the show that we. are—at the moment for

are working on at the moment for this are working on at the moment for inie—inie— are working on at the moment for inie—inie ie- are working on at the moment for this—this is the- this channel. and this is the iineeew— this channel. and this is the dinosaur-and- this channel. and this is the dinosaur and the people this channel. and this is the dino are' and the people this channel. and this is the dino are determined he people this channel. and this is the dino are determined to people this channel. and this is the dino are determined to stay)le this channel. and this is the dino are determined to stay out who are determined to stay out of who are determined to stay out ei ieeen. — who are determined to stay out ei ieeen. vee— who are determined to stay out of touch. yes . so— who are determined to stay out of touch. v/iis so lots of of touch. yes. so lots of unfashionable_ of touch. v/iis so lots of unfashionable people getting iegeinen— unfashionable people getting iegeineneni— unfashionable people getting together and having interesting conversations.— together and having interesting conversations. well the idea is, i conversations. well the idea is, i inini— conversations. well the idea is, iinini ine— conversations. well the idea is, i think the television i did a nnegnen— i think the television i did a nnegnen iiie— i think the television i did a program like this with david neei— program like this with david ineei in— program like this with david frost in 1966,— program like this with david frost in 1966, and, you know, he eeiiin-i— frost in 1966, and, you know, he eeiiin-i gei— frost in 1966, and, you know, he couldn't get anyone to go on on his couldn't get anyone to go on on nie enew— couldn't get anyone to go on on his show because— couldn't get anyone to go on on his show because he was sort of eeeeeieiei— his show because he was sort of associated with— his show because he was sort of associated with that was the week— associated with that was the week inei— associated with that was the week that was. _ associated with that was the week that was. ' “c week that was. and all the satire. and then he had a guy called ernest marples eventually went on the show and it was a good interview. and the next day the rang. wanted the phone rang. everyone wanted to the now here to be on the show. now here everybody's or lot of everybody's worried or a lot of the people are worried everybody's worried or a lot of the they .e are worried everybody's worried or a lot of the they say'e worried everybody's worried or a lot of the they say it'sorried everybody's worried or a lot of the they say it's aried everybody's worried or a lot of the they say it's a right because they say it's a right wing channel. there's a lot of right wing on it. but right wing programmes on it. but what to do is to have what i want to do is to have something that isn't particularly something that isn't particulvand that has people another and that has people talking to each other. and more important, to each important, listening to each other see what are the areas other to see what are the areas if you take work? well, a lot of goodideasin if you take work? well, a lot of good ideas in work. also in my opinion, a lot of not very good ideas. opinion, a lot of not very good ideas . and what are the good

ideas. and what are the good ideas? what are the ideas? we don't agree with? why do they not want public debate? what's the for that kind of the reason for that kind of thing? so and actually talked about it in a nice , relaxed about it in a nice, relaxed tone. we're sort of created tone. so we're sort of created a sort of silly gentleman's club . sort of silly gentleman's club. yes. sort of soft chairs and people talking quite closely to each. tell people talking quite closely to each . tell me you'll have cats. each. tell me you'll have cats. oh— each. tell me you'll have cats. on. wee— each. tell me you'll have cats. on. wee .— each. tell me you'll have cats. en. wee . wee.— each. tell me you'll have cats. en. wee . yesv wee.— each. tell me you'll have cats. oh, yes , yes, yes, we- c tell me you'll have cats. oh, yes , yes, yes, we will have oh, yes, yes, yes, we will have eeie. — oh, yes, yes, yes, we will have eeie. inei— oh, yes, yes, yes, we will have cats. that is. come- oh, yes, yes, yes, we will have cats. come on the show. cats. that is. come on the show. veg.— cats. that is. come on the show. vee. i— cats. that is. come on the show. vee. i weeii— cats. that is. come on the show. yes, i would love— cats. that is. come on the show. yes, i would love to. _ cats. come on the show. yes, i would love to. v/iis yes, i would love to. yes. have you— yes, i would love to. yes. have wee en— yes, i would love to. yes. have you can you bring your cat? i don't have one. that, i'm afraid is don't have one. that, i'm afraid ie eii— don't have one. that, i'm afraid ie eii weve— don't have one. that, i'm afraid ie eii gei— don't have one. that, i'm afraid is all we've got time— don't have one. that, i'm afraid is all we've got time for- ciiiv“ . that, i'm afraid is all we've got time for one. if is all we've got time for one. if wee— is all we've got time for one. ii wen ee— is all we've got time for one. if you come on— is all we've got time for one. if you come on the discussion is ieeeeniei— if you come on the discussion is descended into— if you come on the discussion is descended into into— if you come on the discussion is descended into into cats and if you— descended into into cats and if wee ee— descended into into cats and if you come on the— descended into into cats and if you come on the show, will you buy— you come on the show, will you inw e— you come on the show, will you buy e eeie — you come on the show, will you buy e eeie i— you come on the show, will you buy a cat? i can't— you come on the show, will you buy a cat? f v“ . c . buy a cat? i can't commit to a cat. all right, i'm going to put my foot down here. that's the end of my foot down here. that's the eni ei inie— my foot down here. that's the end of this section— my foot down here. that's the end of this section of- : "vii”iiil that's the end of this section of the show. iei— end of this section of the show. iei nevi— end of this section of the show. but next-after— end of this section of the show. but next-after the - end of this section of the show. but next after the break, we but next up after the break, we neve— but next up after the break, we neve-ienien— but next up after the break, we have - dancer who - but next up after the break, we have dancer who forced have the dancer who was forced to have the dancer who was forced ie-inen — have the dancer who was forced ie-inen .ewn- have the dancer who was forced to from own company. to resign from her own company. inei-e— to resign from her own company. were iieeie— to resign from her own company. that's rosie-don't- to resign from her own company. that's rosie don't go that's rosie kay. don't go enwwnene— that's rosie kay. don't go enwwnene .—

welcome back to free speech weiien— welcome back to free speech nation dancer— welcome back to free speech nation dancer and choreographer iieeie— nation dancer and choreographer iieeie iew— nation dancer and choreographer iieeie kay wee— nation dancer and choreographer rosie kay was forced to resign inen— rosie kay was forced to resign inen nen— rosie kay was forced to resign inen nen en— rosie kay was forced to resign from her own dance company in 202i— from her own dance company in zezi enen— from her own dance company in 2021 after she— from her own dance company in 2021 after she was— from her own dance company in 2021 after she was accused of ineneien— 2021 after she was accused of transfer phobia— 2021 after she was accused of transfer phobia by some of her ieneene iei— transfer phobia by some of her dancers. but now— transfer phobia by some of her dancers. but now rosie is back. snee— dancers. but now rosie is back. sne-e gei— dancers. but now rosie is back. sne-e gei e— dancers. but now rosie is back. sne-e gei e new— dancers. but now rosie is back. she's got a new company. she's eneeiei— she's got a new company. she's eneeiei e— she's got a new company. she's created a freedom _ she's got a new company. she's created a freedom of expression enenen— created a freedom of expression enenen eni— created a freedom of expression charter and has— created a freedom of expression charter and has raised enough nenew— charter and has raised enough nenew ie— charter and has raised enough nenew ie iew— charter and has raised enough money to tour new production, money to tour a new production, wnien— money to tour a new production, wnien eeniinee— money to tour a new production, which combines research in which combines her research in the which combines her research in ine-eni— which combines her research in the-and dance.- which combines her research in the and dance. joining the military and dance. joining me now , rosie— the military and dance. joining me now , rosie kay. hello. hi so, me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, iieeie— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, ieeie. iie— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, ieeie. ii-e e— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, rosie, it's a it's— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, rosie, it's a it's a— me now, rosie kay. hello. hi so, rosie, it's a it's a great nieeewe— rosie, it's a it's a great pleasure to— rosie, it's a it's a great pleasure to have you back. and it's fantastic— pleasure to have you back. and it's fantastic to _ pleasure to have you back. and it's fantastic to hear that we-ve— it's fantastic to hear that we-ve gei— it's fantastic to hear that you've got this- it's fantastic to hear that you've got this new company up eni— you've got this new company up eni nenning.— you've got this new company up eni nenning. ie— you've got this new company up and running. do you want to just tell and running. do you want to just ieii-inieiiw— tell us very briefly what nennenei— tell us very briefly what happened and tell us very briefly what happened-and this was happened before and why this was neeeeee.nw — happened before and why this was neeeeeeenw venw— happened before and why this was necessary? sq happened before and why this was necessary? sign necessary? very briefly, i ianed necessary? very briefly, i invited some dancers back to my house. we got into a debate very late in in morning about late in the in the morning about the difference and the difference between sex and gendeh the difference between sex and gender. and this escalated. they took out complaints against me and my board capitulated and investigate me. and in the end,

i realised that they were going to try and train me into rethinking my own ideas . and so rethinking my own ideas. and so i felt it was the right thing to do, was to resign. but i would have would have sued them. but they the company . so they folded the company. so i set my own new company last set up my own new company last yeah set up my own new company last year. don't worry, everyone, year. but don't worry, everyone, eeneei— year. but don't worry, everyone, cancel-doesn't- year. but don't worry, everyone, cancel-doesn't exist. - cancel culture doesn't exist. cieeniw— cancel culture doesn't exist. cieeniw wee — cancel culture doesn't exist. clearly you know, so this and eeneeieiiw— clearly you know, so this and eeneeieiiw ee— clearly you know, so this and especially as an— clearly you know, so this and especially as an artist, you neei— especially as an artist, you neei ie— especially as an artist, you need to freedom of thought. need to have freedom of thought. and need to have freedom of thought. ani-inew. — need to have freedom of thought. ani-inew. wee— need to have freedom of thought. and know, you weren't being and you know, you weren't being eniegenieiie— and you know, you weren't being antagonistic or— and you know, you weren't being antagonistic or anything. you're just antagonistic or anything. you're ieei—eni- antagonistic or anything. you'rei ieei—eni ieing just expressing a view and being enen— just expressing a view and being enen-iieeeeeien— just expressing a view and being open-discussion . - just expressing a view and being open discussion . 'v“c open to a discussion. and i inini— open to a discussion. and i mini-ine— open to a discussion. and i think the are the think that the arts are the place to, know, explore all place to, you know, explore all these complicated ideas. and i was discussing making this new work based on virginia woolf's orlando this is orlando. so, you know, this is where this is these interesting things are happening the things are happening at the moment. where artists moment. that's where artists should should be should be. and we should be looking we be looking at this and we should be talking creatively, looking at this and we should be talking it creatively, looking at this and we should be talking it , creatively, looking at this and we should be talking it, exploring'ely, looking at this and we should be talking it, exploring it,i, mocking it, exploring it, looking at it deeply , asking looking at it deeply, asking difficult questions. i absolutely think that's what we should be doing rather than saying there's point view saying there's one point of view that acceptable and everyone that is acceptable and everyone else right. else must shut up. that's right. now else must shut up. that's right. wew—ine- else must shut up. that's right. wew—inie new- now you've created this new ienee— now you've created this new dance-which- now you've created this new dance-which is. dance company, which is ienieeiie— dance company, which is fantastic news- dance company, which is fantastic news and first fantastic news, and your first enei-eei—

fantastic news, and your first project i actually— fantastic news, and your first project actually a reworking project is actually a reworking of project is actually a reworking ei e— project is actually a reworking ei e enew-eei— project is actually a reworking ei e nneieei wee— project is actually a reworking of a project you worked on back in-i— of a project you worked on back in-i ieiieve— of a project you worked on back in-i ieiieve .— of a project you worked on back in-i believe . five- in 2010. i believe. five seiiiene.— in 2010. i believe. five soldiers. yeah. and can you tell us soldiers. yeah. and can you tell we e iii— soldiers. yeah. and can you tell us a bit about— soldiers. yeah. and can you tell us a bit about this— soldiers. yeah. and can you tell us a bit about this show? well it's us a bit about this show? well ii-e gei— us a bit about this show? well we gei ieiie— us a bit about this show? well we gei gniie e— us a bit about this show? well it's got quite a strange genesis . i— it's got quite a strange genesis . i we— it's got quite a strange genesis . i iini— it's got quite a strange genesis . i was kind of— it's got quite a strange genesis . i was kind of at— it's got quite a strange genesis . i was kind of at the- it's got quite a strange genesis . i was kind of at the peak of my performing career and i suffered an injury on stage and was told i wouldn't dance again and would take me a long time and it would take me a long time to again. and i was to walk again. and i was obviously like complete shock obviously in like complete shock and following the operation, the reconstruction of my knee, i had this dream that i was this very vivid dream that i was lying on a desert battlefield and my leg had been blown off . and my leg had been blown off. and it made me question ideas both about the body and the soul, but also as a dancer. i'd have done anything to get back on stage and perform again. and it was the time. it was a long time ago. it was the time of the iraq war. and i looked at the faces young soldiers killed faces of young soldiers killed in news. the next in iraq on the news. the next morning, and i wondered, how on earth prepare morning, and i wondered, how on earth body prepare morning, and i wondered, how on earth body that prepare morning, and i wondered, how on earth body that doesn'tprepare morning, and i wondered, how on earth body that doesn't justare for a body that doesn't just risk injury, but you actually risk injury, but you actually risk life? and maybe it's risk your life? and maybe it's not movies. not like the movies. maybe they're maybe they're not brainwashed. maybe there's in there's some real excitement in that bit like dance that training a bit like a dance training very know.

training can be very know. there's of thrills as well there's lots of thrills as well as lows. so took me on a as lows. so that took me on a journey and i ended up getting embedded with an all male infantry battalion. and i spent time training with them and kind of went from being a very scared, nervous observer to a full blown , trained participant full blown, trained participant fighting against a rival battalion. and then to kind of change that completely . i then change that completely. i then spent time at headley court, which the rehabilitation which was the rehabilitation centre, and the royal centre for defence and by that defence medicine, and by that time i'd been time the people i'd been training with dartmoor and in training with on dartmoor and in salisbury , were ones salisbury, they were the ones coming back with these what they were calling complex trauma injuries. injuries, injuries. so multiple injuries, loss of limbs, legs, arms and soldiers were surviving from injuries that they would have died off just a few years earlier. that that circle, that golden hour was getting so good that the army was then also deaung that the army was then also dealing with this kind of knew there was going to be another generation soldiers generation of injured soldiers who would come back into civilian so i made a show civilian life. so i made a show about this, exploring , like the about this, exploring, like the making breaking and putting back

together again of soldiers and their also a real their bodies, but also a real insight into their personalities . and when where will this be ene— . and when where will this be en? iie— . and when where will this be en? ii-e en— . and when where will this be on? it's on this— and when where will this be on? it's on this week. . iiiv“ on? it's on this week. it's on wenwien— on? it's on this week. it's on norwich and then norwich playhouse, and then it goes theatre. royal and goes to bath theatre. royal and blackpool and before blackpool grand. and before we finish, we unfortunately finish, because we unfortunately don't have time, do don't have much time, what do you future of the you think of the future of the arts in this climate? you know, where we arts in this climate? you know, wnenelwe ge— arts in this climate? you know, where-we go from - arts in this climate? you know, where-we go from here?- where do we go from here? i inini— where do we go from here? i inini neenie— where do we go from here? i think people really have be think people really have to be geiiing— think people really have to be geiiing-nw- think people really have to be geiiing-iw-enii getting a bit tired by now and i inini— getting a bit tired by now and i ininilneeiiw— getting a bit tired by now and i thinklreallyltime- getting a bit tired by now and i think really time to start think it really is time to start to think it really is time to start ie-iiie— think it really is time to start ie-iiie gneen- think it really is time to start to like group together to kind of like group together eni—i-i- to kind of like group together eni—i-i iiiei to kind of like group together. and—i'd like to and speak together. i'd like to ieei— and speak together. i'd like to look something like look at something like a conference brings conference that brings people together law and together to look at the law and discrimination and then i'd like to look at toolkits for venues, how to survive this time, and also artists, what do if also for artists, what to do if this happens to you. yes, because it's happening to a lot of people, it? and people of people, isn't it? and people are of people, isn't it? and people ieeiing— of people, isn't it? and people are feeling like— of people, isn't it? and people are feeling like-have- are feeling like they have to be eiieni— are feeling like they have to be eiieni-inew— are feeling like they have to be silent _they _they . are feeling like they have to be. silent _they _they need silent when they when they need to silent when they when they need ie-ani — silent when they when they need ie-ani enei-e- silent when they when they need to-and that's and- to express. and that's and that's and seem to be that's right. and i seem to be sort of agony aunt that's sort of the agony aunt that's kind like, you know, kind of like, you know, listening if listening to people, seeing if they've terrible they've got a really terrible case not pointing them in the case or not pointing them in the right direction legal right direction for legal advice, it maybe you advice, saying when it maybe you should press, talk to should go to the press, talk to them about crowdfunding ulez seem this centre

seem to be this advice centre because that i've been because they know that i've been through can get through it and you can get through it and you can get through it. we've got to get through it. we've got to get through going through this because we're going to and you to lose our best artists and you are actually doing something now. you're creating something. vee— you're not sitting there and weiiewing— you're not sitting there and wallowing, getting wallowing, you're getting out inene—i— wallowing, you're getting out there—i mean,- wallowing, you're getting out there—i mean, it. wallowing, you're getting out. there—i mean, it was there and it was i mean, it was enezing— there and it was i mean, it was amazing listening— there and it was i mean, it was amazing listening to john cleese ieeeeee— amazing listening to john cleese ieeeeeeewn-— amazing listening to john cleese because own creativity aware of my own creativity egein— aware of my own creativity again, because _ aware of my own creativity again, because i was suddenly ieeeeee— again, because i was suddenly ieeeeeelieei— again, because i was suddenly becauseilostlto_ again, because i was suddenly because lost to be back in because i lost it to be back in ine— because i lost it to be back in ine eieiie— because i lost it to be back in the studio,-to- because i lost it to be back in the studio,-to be. the studio, you know, to be ineeiiei— the studio, you know, to be trustful, playful. . trustful, to be playful. it's eieeieieiw— trustful, to be playful. it's- absolutely—having trustful, to be playful. it's- alblast.tly_having trustful, to be playful. it's- aiblast. it's—having trustful, to be playful. it's aiblast. it's brilliant. having a blast. it's brilliant. fantastic. k, thanks fantastic. rosie k, thanks so neen— fantastic. rosie k, thanks so neen-ieining— fantastic. rosie k, thanks so much .joining us- fantastic. rosie k, thanks so much joining us today. much for joining us today. iieeiiw— much for joining us today. really appreciate that . now, really appreciate that. now, nieeee— really appreciate that. now, nieeee ie— really appreciate that. now, please do not— really appreciate that. now, please do not go anywhere. there is please do not go anywhere. there ie e— please do not go anywhere. there ie e iei— please do not go anywhere. there ie e iei ee— please do not go anywhere. there is a lot more to— please do not go anywhere. there is a lot more to come between eni— is a lot more to come between eni enee.— is a lot more to come between now and 9:00, for— is a lot more to come between now and 9:00, for instance, is ine— now and 9:00, for instance, is ine neienn— now and 9:00, for instance, is the modern workplace a hive of iiieneeee— the modern workplace a hive of idleness? we're— the modern workplace a hive of idleness? we're going to be iiving— idleness? we're going to be iiving inie— idleness? we're going to be diving into that— idleness? we're going to be diving into that with technology ieenneiiei— diving into that with technology journalist orlowski . and journalist andrew orlowski. and eiee— journalist andrew orlowski. and eiee-enien— journalist andrew orlowski. and also british library also why the british library ieee— also why the british library ieee-neei— also why the british library does need trigger warnings. does not need trigger warnings. vie-ve— does not need trigger warnings. weve-eeinen— does not need trigger warnings. we've author academic does not need trigger warnings. we've williams academic does not need trigger warnings. we've williams is academic does not need trigger warnings. we've williams is going emic does not need trigger warnings. we've williams is going t0iic does not need trigger warnings. we've williams is going to be johanna williams is going to be nene.— johanna williams is going to be nene-gei— johanna williams is going to be nene-gei e— johanna williams is going to be nene-gei e iei— johanna williams is going to be here.-got a lot to- johanna williams is going to be here. got a lot to say on here. she's got a lot to say on ine— here. she's got a lot to say on ine-see— here. she's got a lot to say on ine-see wee- here. she's got a lot to say on the-see you very- here. she's got a lot to say on the see you very shortly the matter. see you very shortly

there's plenty more still to come on free— there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation ienigni.— come on free speech nation tonight, including working out why— tonight, including working out wnw neenie— tonight, including working out wnw neenie ee— tonight, including working out why people are being triggered by iiinenw— why people are being triggered by library books— why people are being triggered by library books and hearing some more questions from our wenieniei— some more questions from our wonderful studio— some more questions from our wonderful studio audience. but iinei— wonderful studio audience. but iinei. iei-e— wonderful studio audience. but iinei. iei-e gei— wonderful studio audience. but first, let's get a— wonderful studio audience. but first, let's get a news update inen— first, let's get a news update from _sanchez- first, let's get a news update from _sanchez .- first, let's get a news update from _sanchez . - first, let's get a news update. from _sanchez . andrew, from tatiana sanchez. andrew, thank— from tatiana sanchez. andrew, thank you— from tatiana sanchez. andrew, thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the health secretary has urged the royal college of nursing to reconsider their planned industrial action at the end of the month. in a letter to the union's leader this morning, steve barclay the recent steve barclay said the recent pay steve barclay said the recent pay offer is fair and reasonable and the decision to stage a 48 hour strike will put patients at risk. the chs general secretary, pat cullen , has secretary, pat cullen, has criticised the government for refusing to budge on its offer of a 5% pay increase. our members neither- j f our members neither think it is reasonable— members neither think it is reasonable or— members neither think it is reasonable or fair. it is a short— reasonable or fair. it is a short term— reasonable or fair. it is a short term approach that plugs a gap by— short term approach that plugs a gap by giving— short term approach that plugs a gap by giving them a one off

what— gap by giving them a one off what they-ve— gap by giving them a one off what they've described as a hthut. — what they've described as a bonus. that's— what they've described as a bonus. that's certainly not going— bonus. that's certainly not gohg to— bonus. that's certainly not going to address the fundamental thth— going to address the fundamental this that— going to address the fundamental crisis that we've— going to address the fundamental crisis that we've got within our hurting— crisis that we've got within our nursing profession or within the hhs— nursing profession or within the hhs . — nursing profession or within the hhs . the— nursing profession or within the nhs. the labour— nursing profession or within the nhs . ” nursing profession or within the nhs. the labour party has vowed to end what it describes as a postcode lottery for gp appointments if it wins the next election. the party says up to three quarters of patients in some parts of england aren't able to see their doctor of choice and only half the number of appointments are held face to face. labour is promising to double the number of doctors trained every year to 15,000 plans to build new smart motorways are being cancelled over safety concerns. cost and low public confidence . the low public confidence. the government has confirmed i4 planned projects have been scrapped and existing structures will be made safer. campaigners are demanding the return of hard shoulders to existing smart motorways . the british motorways. the british horseracing authority has condemned protesters who delayed the grand national by more than 60 people remain in custody

after a total of 118 were arrested for disrupting the event yesterday. and slightly delaying the start of the race. activists from animal rising are calling for jump activists from animal rising are calling forjump racing to be calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at aintree. they've warned further protests will take place this summer. the bucha says it will be a painstaking analysis to determine what caused the deaths over in the us , four deaths over in the us, four people have been killed and at least 20 injured in a shooting at a teenager's birthday party in alabama. the incident took place last night. it's not yet known what led to the shooting . known what led to the shooting. in a statement on twitter, the governor of alabama said violent crime has no place in our state. and we're staying closely updated by law enforcement as details emerge . and more than details emerge. and more than 6000 members of the armed forces will be taking part in the king's coronation next month. thousands of veterans and nhs workers have also been invited to watch the historic event from

a special grandstand in front of buckingham palace. the culture secretary says it's a mark of the nation's profound gratitude . tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is. gb news. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. so let's get some questions now hom— let's get some questions now from th— let's get some questions now from our viewer— let's get some questions now from our viewer emails. our first— from our viewer emails. our first questions— from our viewer emails. our first questions come in from amy.— first questions come in from amy. hem»— first questions come in from amy. hello, amy. amy says is the grant— amy. hello, amy. amy says is the grand national— amy. hello, amy. amy says is the grand national a— amy. hello, amy. amy says is the grand national a form of animal trutttyt— grand national a form of animal trutttyt st— grand national a form of animal trhtttyt so he — grand national a form of animal cruelty? so we saw— grand national a form of animal cruelty? so we saw that there were over 100 _ cruelty? so we saw that there were over 100 people arrested tuhhg— were over100 people arrested during the— were over 100 people arrested during the disruption of the grant— during the disruption of the. grant—ant grand national yesterday, and that— grand national yesterday, and that tetattt— grand national yesterday, and that delayed the— grand national yesterday, and that delayed the start of the .attt — that delayed the start of the race. - also three - that delayed the start of the race. also three horses, race. and also three horses, tath— race. and also three horses, tath thet— race. and also three horses, sadly died during the course of the act.— sadly died during the course of the st,— sadly died during the course of the race. so, diane, where do you— the race. so, diane, where do you stand— the race. so, diane, where do you stand on— the race. so, diane, where do you stand on this— the race. so, diane, where do you stand on this one? well it a very— you stand on this one? well it was a very interesting event because— was a very interesting event heeauee ht— was a very interesting event because it caused a lot of flip heathe— because it caused a lot of flip flopping because—

because it caused a lot of flip flopping because clearly eeehtye— flopping because clearly eeoryne yon— flopping because clearly everyone you know, at first everyone's going no , no. mt; everyone's going no, no. why are they— everyone's going no, no. why are they interrupting the grand national? and they got very, very angry. and then suddenly when it actually got to start , when it actually got to start, the horse falls at the first race and then they erect these privacy screens and everyone says, well, we now know what's happening. i mean, it doesn't rte— happening. i mean, it doesn't he not— g i mean, it doesn't mean it's not uncommon, though, at the— mean it's not uncommon, though, at the grant— mean it's not uncommon, though, at the grand national, it isn't uncommon. imean,- at the grand national, it isn't uncommon. at the grand national, it isn't- uncommon. imean,.even i would uncommon. i mean, i even i would think that maybe could get think that maybe could we get like the people who go like some of the people who go to run it, like maybe the ladies in hats have to do a lap. in the hats have to do a lap. they have to jump over beeches brook. would be brook. i mean, it would be amazing and you're only amazing like and you're only allowed your heels allowed to carry your heels after the first three fences. i suspect wouldn't do it suspect they wouldn't do it arter— suspect they wouldn't do it after-broken - suspect they wouldn't do it. after-broken.ankle . after you've broken an ankle. wett— after you've broken an ankle. wet the— after you've broken an ankle. wet the re— after you've broken an ankle. well, this is.so,- after you've broken an ankle. well, this is.so, i- after you've broken an ankle. well, this is so, i mean, well, this is it. so, i mean, hrnee— well, this is it. so, i mean, hrnee ,— well, this is it. so, i mean, hrnee , thre— well, this is it. so, i mean, bruce , this is— well, this is it. so, i mean, bruce , this is difficult. but bruce, this is difficult. but now—whenl bruce, this is difficult. but. now—when the now when the start when the there— now when the start when the there-thre— now when the start when the there-this delay- now when the start when the there this delay and all there was this delay and all the protesters—a- there was this delay and all the protesters—a loti protesters were there and a lot of protesters were there and a lot or the— protesters were there and a lot or the peoote— protesters were there and a lot or the wow! at— protesters were there and a lot of the people at the were of the people at the race were eon— of the people at the race were sort-complaining- of the people at the race were sort complaining saying, sort of complaining and saying, nett— sort of complaining and saying, well, _ protesters - well, look, these protesters ton-t— well, look, these protesters don't we don't understand how much we tore—the- don't understand how much we love _the horses. don't understand how much wei love _the horses and love and care for the horses and all love and care for the horses and art-rest— love and care for the horses and art-rest ot— love and care for the horses and art-rest or rt.— love and care for the horses and all-rest of it. and- love and care for the horses and all rest of it. and then all the rest of it. and then nttrrnatety— all the rest of it. and then ultimately-are- all the rest of it. and then ultimately are fatalities. all the rest of it. and then ult it'stely are fatalities. all the rest of it. and then ult it'steldifficultare fatalities. all the rest of it. and then ult it'steldifficult one. |talities. all the rest of it. and then ult it'steldifficult one. yeah as. so it's a difficult one. yeah i rt— so it's a difficult one. yeah i it re.— so it's a difficult one. yeah i h h. — so it's a difficult one. yeah i

mean, it is. i— so it's a difficult one. yeah i mean, it is. " so it's a difficult one. yeah i mean, it is. " rte" so it's a difficult one. yeah i mean, it is. cr?“ mean, it is. i mean, you can be kept very, very well, but then there is a high likelihood that you're to die. so, i mean, you're going to die. so, i mean, is okay ? if you see what is that okay? if you see what i mean. well, that's but that's the— mean. well, that's but that's the question,— mean. well, that's but that's the question,-it?- mean. well, that's but that's the question,-it? i- " well, that's but that's the question, it? i mean, the question, isn't it? i mean, is the question, isn't it? i mean, re-nay— the question, isn't it? i mean, re-hay they- the question, isn't it? i mean, is-way they could- is there a way they could perhaps— is there a way they could- perhaps—matte perhaps mitigate this, maybe torto— perhaps mitigate this, maybe court—the- perhaps mitigate this, maybe- could _the fences? could they not lower the fences? tight. — could they not lower the fences? tight. _they— could they not lower the fences? tight. _they-to- could they not lower the fences? right. _they-do that?- could they not lower the fences? right. _they-do that? l right. could they not do that? well, no, that's actually a tenors—whyl well, no, that's actually a. serious _why not well, no, that's actually a- serious _why not have serious suggestion. why not have i'm serious suggestion. why not have r-rn —r— serious suggestion. why not have r-rn —r tan-t- i'm sure i spoke to i can't remember-was- i'm sure i spoke to i can't remember was that i'm sure i spoke to i can't- remember-was that went to remember who it was that went to hear— remember who it was that went to hear about— remember who it was that went to hear about ant— remember who it was that went to hear about and some of the jumps had hear about and some of the jumpsj hat—ohrronstr. had been lowered. but obviously, you these fatalities you hear about these fatalities all it's a shame. all the time. and it's a shame. you the horses done you know, the horses have done nothing apparently you know, the horses have done nothira apparently you know, the horses have done nothira life apparently you know, the horses have done nothira life and parently you know, the horses have done nothira life and thenitly enjoy a good life and then suddenly they've suddenly the price they've got to falling at the first to pay is falling at the first hurdle, which i now understand what means. yes it's an what that means. yes it's an interesting idiom,— what that means. yes it's an interesting idiom, that- interesting idiom, that one. tet-e— interesting idiom, that one. tet-e-on— interesting idiom, that one. let's-onlanotherl let's move on to another question.— let's move on to another question. should let's move on to another question.-should by question. oh, i should say, by the— question. oh, i should say, by the-that— question. oh, i should say, by the -that there - question. oh, i should say, by the that there was the way, that there was a statement— the way, that there was a statement-by- the way, that there was a statement by the the way, that there was a- statement-by the british statement issued by the british hntreh— statement issued by the british british _authority, - british racing authority, and they— they said, our thoughts are with everyone—to- they said, our thoughts are with everyone _to the - they said, our thoughts are with everyone to the horses they said, our thoughts are with ever suffered to the horses they said, our thoughts are with ever suffered fatal to the horses they said, our thoughts are with ever suffered fatal injuries. horses they said, our thoughts are with ever week,td fatal injuries. horses they said, our thoughts are with ever week,td fatal will'ies. horses they said, our thoughts are with ever week,td fatal will be. horses they said, our thoughts are with ever week,td fatal will be morezs this week, no one will be more affected— this week, no one will be more affected than— this week, no one will be more affected than the— this week, no one will be more affected than the trainers, owners and stable staff who have provided— owners and stable staff who have provided-horses— owners and stable staff who have provided horses with first provided these horses with first etaee— provided these horses with first etaee-hneha— provided these horses with first class - bucha and - class care. the bucha and aintree— class care. the bucha and aintree racecourse will now anatyee— aintree racecourse will now anatyee-rn- aintree racecourse will now- analyse-in painstaking analyse the races in painstaking tetan— analyse the races in painstaking tetart. ae— analyse the races in painstaking tetart. he he— analyse the races in painstaking detail. as is the— analyse the races in painstaking detail. as is the case every year— detail. as is the case every year .— detail. as is the case every year . ro— detail. as is the case every year . ro neth— detail. as is the case every year . to help us- detail. as is the case every year. to help us understand detail. as is the case every

year . to help us understand what year. to help us understand what caused— year. to help us understand what sauset these— year. to help us understand what caused these incidents. okay vett— caused these incidents. okay vett r— caused these incidents. okay well, i think— caused these incidents. okay well, i think we— caused these incidents. okay well, i think we know what caused— well, i think we know what sauset the— well, i think we know what caused the incidents . it's the caused the incidents. it's the big— caused the incidents. it's the big that— caused the incidents. it's the big high fences— caused the incidents. it's the big high fences that they had to jump— big high fences that they had to turnt-vvhat-s— big high fences that they had to turnt-vvhat-s the- big high fences that they had to jump over. what's the analysis, though? every though? well, that's this. every yeah though? well, that's this. every year. i'm going to year. we do. we do. i'm going to get job and this get a job there and get this sorted. ithink get a job there and get this sorted. i think it's up to you, true — sorted. i think it's up to you, truse tet-s— sorted. i think it's up to you, bruce. let's move— : i think it's up to you, bruce. let's move on to another question.— bruce. let's move on to another ouestton. rhts— bruce. let's move on to another question. this one's_ bruce. let's move on to another question. this one's come in horn—has- from georgia. georgia has said is from georgia. georgia has said ts-hotan— from georgia. georgia has said ts-hotan a— from georgia. georgia has said is- nolan a sex- from georgia. georgia has said is nolan a sex pest? what is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i is coleen nolan a sex pest? what r-that-s— is coleen nolan a sex pest? what r-that-s nutte— is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i that's quite extreme is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of that's quite extreme is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of putting quite extreme is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of putting it.te extreme is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of putting it. but extreme is coleen nolan a sex pest? what i of putting it. but georgiaie way of putting it. but georgia anyway— way of putting it. but georgia anyvay ,— way of putting it. but georgia anyvay , this— way of putting it. but georgia anyvay , thrs ts— way of putting it. but georgia anyway , this is because of loose anyway, this is because of loose vvornen— anyway, this is because of loose vvornen this— anyway, this is because of loose women this week. _ anyway, this is because of loose women this week. they've been starnrnet— women this week. they've been slammed-making— women this week. they've been slammed making creepy slammed for making creepy rernarst— slammed for making creepy remarks-towie- slammed for making creepy remarks towie star mark remarks to towie star mark vvnght. — remarks to towie star mark wright. what's— remarks to towie star mark wright. what's zahawi? does anoney— wright. what's zahawi? does anoney tnov— wright. what's zahawi? does anyone know ? _ wright. what's zahawi? does anyone know ? anyone know? the only way is tssev. that-s— anyone know? the only way is essex. that's it.— anyone know? the only way is essex. that's it. i— anyone know? the only way is essex. that's it. i watch- anyone know? sinix that's it. i watch it all essex. that's it. i watch it all the— essex. that's it. i watch it all the the— essex. that's it. i watch it all the ttrne ant— essex. that's it. i watch it all the time and mark,- sinix that's it. i watch it all the time and mark, apparently during— the time and mark, apparently during-interview- the time and mark, apparently during interview mark during this interview mark thrott— during this interview mark vvnght vas— during this interview mark wright was asked if he could stut— wright was asked if he could shit on— wright was asked if he could strip off-this— wright was asked if he could strip off this had come from strip off and this had come from soteen— strip off and this had come from soteen hotan— strip off and this had come from coleen nolan. i— strip off and this had come from coleen nolan. i think it was a tote. — coleen nolan. i think it was a joke that— coleen nolan. i think it was a joke that to— coleen nolan. i think it was a joke. what do you— coleen nolan. i think it was a joke. what do you think, bruce ? joke. what do you think, bruce? i'm joke. what do you think, bruce? r-rn yes— joke. what do you think, bruce? r-rn yes ,— joke. what do you think, bruce? r-rn yes, r— joke. what do you think, bruce? r-rn yes, r thtnt— joke. what do you think, bruce? i'm yes , i think it— joke. what do you think, bruce? i'm yes , i think it was a joke i'm yes, i think it was a joke tesause— i'm yes, i think it was a joke because when— i'm yes, i think it was a joke because when he— i'm yes, i think it was a joke because when he walked on kaye htarns— because when he walked on kaye htarns stose— because when he walked on kaye adams, close personal friend , adams, close personal friend, rrn— adams, close personal friend, r-rn not— adams, close personal friend, r-rn not reatty— adams, close personal friend, i'm not really actually just shostet— i'm not really actually just shostet tn— i'm not really actually just shocked in the— i'm not really actually just shocked in the same supermarket. i'm shocked in the same supermarket. r-n rounutanu.— shocked in the same supermarket. i'm poundland. i'm— shocked in the same supermarket. i'm poundland. i'm she— shocked in the same supermarket. i'm poundland. i'm she when- shocked in the same supermarket. i'm poundland. i'm she when he'd come on she says, is that a hint

of a bicep or a tricep or a quad shepherd as you can tell, i'm not very. i mean, i do turn up. i don't do anything. however it was calling that he'd say, no. what what he'd said that he what what he'd said was that he has problem with nudity. he has no problem with nudity. he doesn't like doing in front doesn't like doing it in front of or his sister. of his mother or his sister. fair because was fair enough. i'm because he was nearly a footballer. i don't know actually means know whether it actually means he's no problem going around. and always naked in and he said i'm always naked in the drying hair. the gym drying my hair. and coleen is the coleen nolan said, where is the gym ? so that's okay. so i think gym? so that's okay. so i think that a joke. however and that was a joke. however for and i love loose ladies. i am a i love the loose ladies. i am a loose lady, but how would that have been if that was male have been if that was a male panel so there's panel with a woman? so there's the diane. let's the question, diane. let's reverse the genders- the question, diane. let's- reverse the genders _yes. reverse the genders here. yes. now,— reverse the genders here. yes. nowvlthink— reverse the genders here. yes. nowvlthinklis_ reverse the genders here. yes. now,ithink.is an- now, i think it is an interesting- now, i think it is an interesting now, i interesting question. now, i saw that— interesting question. now, i saw that ant— interesting question. now, i saw that and thought— interesting question. now, i saw that and thought it's just a bit of that and thought it's just a bit or harrntess— that and thought it's just a bit of harmless fun.— that and thought it's just a bit of harmless fun. and think of harmless fun. and i think soteen— coleen nolan hasn't done anythrng— coleen nolan hasn't done anythrng-hnt- coleen nolan hasn't done anything-and i- coleen nolan hasn't done anything and i don't coleen nolan hasn't done- anything-and i don't know anything wrong. and i don't know why-getting— anything wrong. and i don't know why-getting-about. why we're getting upset about it. why we're getting upset about rt—ts— why we're getting upset about rt—ts-veryi it. but then bruce is put very interesting— it. but then bruce is put very interesting thought experiment here.— interesting thought experiment here. what— interesting thought experiment here. what would do if this here. what would we do if this guy,— here. what would we do if this guy, hart— here. what would we do if this g.,, that was— here. what would we do if this g.,, hart a— here. what would we do if this guy, mark was a woman and they were—you- guy, mark was a woman and theyi vveeou—y have were men? yeah, well, you have to imagine that. so you've to just imagine that. so you've got this woman saying, got this young woman saying, yes, i like exercising. i like

looking . i will get naked at the looking. i will get naked at the gym . and then these four blokes gym. and then these four blokes go, what gym is it that does feel more sinister, though, doesn't it? and but, but, but then— doesn't it? and but, but, but then tet-s— doesn't it? and but, but, but then let's let's— doesn't it? and but, but, but then let's let's face- : c fl and but, but, but then let's let's face reality, though— then let's let's face reality, though ,— then let's let's face reality, though , ot— then let's let's face reality, though , of course, when it comes though, of course, when it comes to seut— though, of course, when it comes to sexual predation— though, of course, when it comes to sexual predation , women are to sexual predation, women are far to sexual predation, women are for snore— to sexual predation, women are for at— to sexual predation, women are far more at risk— to sexual predation, women are far more at risk than men are. ant— far more at risk than men are. ant that— far more at risk than men are. and that changes— far more at risk than men are. and that changes the context , and that changes the context, toesn-t— and that changes the context, toesn-t he — and that changes the context, doesn't it? it— and that changes the context, doesn't it? c tg doesn't it? it changes the context slightly. i mean, my husband watches loose women when he's gym because it makes he's in the gym because it makes the sexism him so angry . the sexism makes him so angry. he actually lifts more weights. so benefit. so you're so we all benefit. so you're saying this is sexism against men? is what you mean ? men? is that what you mean? sons— men? is that what you mean? some or— men? is that what you mean? some or rt— men? is that what you mean? some or it an— men? is that what you mean? some of it can be— men? is that what you mean? some of it can be because if you reversed it, it's not fair. and if truly want sort of gender if you truly want sort of gender equality , shouldn't people be equality, shouldn't people be treating each other? the way they want to be treated? but there is a difference because in terms of sex, broadly speaking , terms of sex, broadly speaking, and i mean broadly speaking about sort of the heterosexual experience , forgive my to quote experience, forgive my to quote people here, the homophobia on this channel is outrageous. i was at the hands of it last

night. — was at the hands of it last nrght. agath— was at the hands of it last night. again, it's out of sontrot. — night. again, it's out of control. it's— night. again, it's out of control. it's too much . the man control. it's too much. the man is control. it's too much. the man ts atvays— control. it's too much. the man ts atvays the— control. it's too much. the man is always the one— control. it's too much. the man is always the one who has to imitate— is always the one who has to infiltrate the _ is always the one who has to infiltrate the woman's body, the— infiltrate the woman's body, like literally— infiltrate the woman's body, like literally invade your stse — like literally invade your stse okay.- like literally invade your space. ' r: like literally invade your- space. okay. and that always happens during sex when it's a sort of a heterosexual coupling . which is why when a woman sort of makes the cheeky remarks , of makes the cheeky remarks, yes, she is trying to envelop him . i don't know. i am i am i him. i don't know. i am i am i am i him. i don't know. i am i am i an r being— him. i don't know. i am i am i am i being sexist— him. i don't know. i am i am i am i being sexist by- " cc?" c i am i am i am i being sexist by saying that— am i being sexist by saying that? r— am i being sexist by saying that? i think— am i being sexist by saying that? i think it's worse when a man makes a sexist comment to a than— man makes a sexist comment to a than when— man makes a sexist comment to a woman than when a— man makes a sexist comment to a woman than when a woman says it to a— woman than when a woman says it to a man— woman than when a woman says it to a arn— woman than when a woman says it to a am r— woman than when a woman says it to a man. am i being— woman than when a woman says it to a man. am i being sexist theret— to a man. am i being sexist theree — to a man. am i being sexist theree rn— to a man. am i being sexist there? i'm not— to a man. am i being sexist there? i'm not sure- to a man. am i being sexist there? ”r5.2; �*" to a man. am i being sexist there? i'm not sure if you are being sexist or not. i mean, you've definitely shown a preference there. well, it's just that i think that it's more threatening is what i mean to a woman. men are generally and again, broadly speaking, they're generally bigger and stronger. that's what i mean. women. so yeah, that whole predatory sense comes into play. but does that mean that therefore then women have go get it out? have the right to go get it out? like no . yeah, why don't they?

like no. yeah, why don't they? that-s— like no. yeah, why don't they? that the— like no. yeah, why don't they? that's the whole— like no. yeah, why don't they? that's the whole thing. - like no. yeah, why don't they? that's the whole thing. i- like no. yeah, why don't they? g i don't that's the whole thing. i don't think carl is a sex post- that's the whole thing. i don't think carl is a sex post at- g i don't think carl is a sex post at all, you— think carl is a sex post at all, you know.— think carl is a sex post at all, you know. ant— think carl is a sex post at all, you know, and i— think carl is a sex post at all, you know, and i don't think he is you know, and i don't think he ts etther. — you know, and i don't think he ts etther. t— you know, and i don't think he is either. i think— you know, and i don't think he is either. " is either. i think colin's committed worse crimes. i've seen some of her nortje red carpet great, i carpet looks not great, but i just think it was all a bit. but it just is, you know, all a bit of fun and nonsense and all that kind of stuff. but it would be interesting if it was that interesting if it was a man that had said that to her. well, let's on to had said that to her. well, let's-on to another. let's move on to another ouestton— let's move on to another question now.- let's move on to another question now. this one came in horn— question now. this one came in from-john— question now. this one came in horn-john says- question now. this one came in from john says, our from john, and john says, our toottatt—so- from john, and john says, our. football—so.the football boots sexist. so on the same—thts- football boots sexist. so on the sane—thts tsl same sort of theme, this is. vett— same sort of theme, this is. host a— same sort of theme, this is. wet a grout— same sort of theme, this is. well, a group of— same sort of theme, this is. well, a group of sports scientists— scientists have raised these ouesttons—otl questions over the lack of trovtston— provision of football boots testenet— provision of football boots designed _forl provision of football boots- designed _for women designed specifically for women and designed specifically for women ant—tutttnel and how that could be puttingi women—increased women players at an increased rtst— women players at an increased rtst ot— women players at an increased rtst ot tnturtes— women players at an increased rtst or tnturtes .— women players at an increased risk of injuries . what do you risk of injuries. what do you thtnt— risk of injuries. what do you think about— risk of injuries. what do you think about this,— risk of injuries. what do you think about this, diane ? think about this, diane? i astuatty— think about this, diane? i astuatty no— think about this, diane? i actually no, i— think about this, diane? i actually no, i don't- think about this, diane? i actually no, i don't think football boots are sexist, but i think is brilliant story think this is a brilliant story because it highlights that there's been a progression and that women's sports are at that level now where people are saying, well, no, the saying, well, no, actually the equipment is equipment that they've got is not suitable specifically for their . yes. and it their physiology. yes. and it means that we're getting more money women's sports. it money into women's sports. it means that they're getting more

sponsorship, they're getting more it's a more interest. it's actually a really progressive really positive progressive story. yes. because it means that the largest sports science community paying attention community are paying attention to and saying , to women athletes and saying, how can we really push them into that elite love this. that elite bracket? i love this. that's interesting way of that's an interesting way of thinking it's positive thinking it. it's a positive thtne— thinking it. it's a positive thtne-veah- thinking it. it's a positive thing yeah, we were thing to spin. yeah, we were discussing i mean, discussing that. i mean, i do think they're sexist against discussing that. i mean, i do think ti because list against discussing that. i mean, i do think ti because women nst a discussing that. i mean, i do think tibecause women nst a nice women because women like a nice shoe. face it, that's shoe. and let's face it, that's just line. but kyiv just the bottom line. but kyiv mentioned about a women's physicality and your arches are a bit higher and all that kind of stuff. so no, i think it's a good thing as well. okay. well, we've good thing as well. okay. well, got— good thing as well. okay. well, got one— good thing as well. okay. well, we've got one more— g: g okay. well, we've got one more question for thts— we've got one more question for thts-thts— we've got one more question for thts-thts ts— we've got one more question for this-this is from - we've got one more question for this this is from emma. this section. this is from emma. tras— this section. this is from emma. vvas shortes— this section. this is from emma. was charles dickens well was charles dickens sexy? well thts— was charles dickens sexy? well thts ts— was charles dickens sexy? well thts ts an— was charles dickens sexy? well this is an interesting question tesause— this is an interesting question tesause thts— this is an interesting question because this is— this is an interesting question because this is about the bbc's rarest— because this is about the bbc's latest adaptation— because this is about the bbc's latest adaptation of great expectations— latest adaptation of great expectations stations. the show has— expectations stations. the show has teen— expectations stations. the show has been savaged— expectations stations. the show has been savaged for what they sat— has been savaged for what they call gratuitous— has been savaged for what they call gratuitous sex— has been savaged for what they call gratuitous sex scenes and tout— call gratuitous sex scenes and rout tanguage— call gratuitous sex scenes and foul language. i— call gratuitous sex scenes and foul language. i don't remember that— foul language. i don't remember that tetng— foul language. i don't remember that tetng tn— foul language. i don't remember that being in the— foul language. i don't remember that being in the novel, but tt-s— that being in the novel, but tt-s teen— that being in the novel, but tt-s teen a— that being in the novel, but it's been a while since i've reat— it's been a while since i've reat tr.— it's been a while since i've read it.-despite- it's been a while since i've read it. despite being read it. but despite being tanned— read it. but despite being tannet ty— read it. but despite being panned by some critics, some viewers, are they— panned by some critics, some viewers, are they love it. they-re— viewers, are they love it.| they're _ loving viewers, are they love it.- they're _loving it. they're absolutely loving it. have— they're absolutely loving it. have-any- they're absolutely loving it. have-any ot-

they're absolutely loving it. have-any of this. they're absolutely loving it.- have-any of this one, have you seen any of this one, htanee— have you seen any of this one, htanee — have you seen any of this one, htanee oh— have you seen any of this one, diane? oh, no,— have you seen any of this one, diane? oh, no, i'm- have you seen any of this one, diane? zrg diane? oh, no, i'm not a big favourite. bit more of favourite. i'm a bit more of a sci person, but let's just be sci fi person, but let's just be fair. wait minute. it's an fair. wait a minute. it's an adaptation and when you adapt adaptation an and when you adapt something , you're allowed do something, you're allowed to do whatever can do whatever you like. you can do whatever you like. you can do what you want, can't you? you can do great expectations with just dogs playing can do great expectations with justdifferent dogs playing can do great expectations with justdifferent characters. ting the different characters. i'd watch you could do watch that. right? you could do whatever you like. you can have them it on roller skates. them do it on roller skates. it's if want it's an adaptation. if you want to sexy dickens, go for to make a sexy dickens, go for it. freedom. imean, it. artistic freedom. i mean, there are all sorts- it. artistic freedom. i mean,. there are all sorts-film there are all sorts of sexy film ot— there are all sorts of sexy film versions of various— there are all sorts of sexy film versions of various stories, arent— versions of various stories, arent-e — versions of various stories, arent-e anu- versions of various stories, aren't-? and in- versions of various stories, aren't 7 . .s versions of various stories,- aren't-? and in the theatre aren't there? and in the theatre all like the worst all the time, like the worst play, saw was an play, i think i ever saw was an adaptation of king lear, where play, i think i ever saw was an adapwerei of king lear, where play, i think i ever saw was an adapwere all king lear, where play, i think i ever saw was an adapwere all dressed ar, where play, i think i ever saw was an adapwere all dressed in where play, i think i ever saw was an adapwere all dressed in babyt they were all dressed in baby rompers and it was set in a nursery. me and oh my god . i nursery. me and oh my god. i mean, that does sound absolutely terrttte. — mean, that does sound absolutely terrttte. rt— mean, that does sound absolutely terrible. it was— mean, that does sound absolutely terrible. it was appalling. truse— terrible. it was appalling. truselyou— terrible. it was appalling. bruce you think terrible. it was appalling. - bruce-you think-artistic bruce do you think that artistic treetorn— bruce do you think that artistic treetorn _too— bruce do you think that artistic freedom-too far?- bruce do you think that artistic freedom too far? do you bruce do you think that artistic freedtpeople too far? do you bruce do you think that artistic freedtpeople are) far? do you bruce do you think that artistic freedtpeople are just? do you bruce do you think that artistic freedtpeople are just being)u think people are just being turtsts— think people are just being purists-comes- think people are just being purists comes to think people are just being- purists-comes to dickens purists when it comes to dickens ant—tut— purists when it comes to dickens ant—tut t— purists when it comes to dickens and—but i remember. and possibly. but i remember there gwyneth there was a film that gwyneth paltrow lost half a day's paltrow who lost half a day's skiing. have we have to skiing. we have to we have to bear that in mind. she was in and it was anne bancroft . she and it was anne bancroft. she was miss havisham. and that film, it was cinematically

beautiful and whatever and was trashed because of a line between gwyneth. and it was when they were having a horizontal refreshment of your catch. my drift? yes. and she'd said something fairly profane that was because we kind was unnecessary because we kind of was going on. even of knew what was going on. even if you're not into that of if you're not into that side of life, know your life, i don't know your arrangements, know, arrangements, but, you know, completely up to you. but i just think you you think you know, you don't necessarily sex it up to necessarily have to sex it up to make different, know, make it any different, you know, could been set in could this have been set in poundland? have poundland? could dickens have been played coleen nolan? been played by coleen nolan? these questions. these these are the questions. these are the questions we're- are the questions we're ansvvertng— are the questions we're answering all- are the questions we're answering all the important guesttons— answering all the important - questions—speech questions tonight on free speech hatton. — nation. but we've got one more tron— nation. but we've got one more now from helen— nation. but we've got one more now from helen and helen wants to know— now from helen and helen wants to know what— now from helen and helen wants to know what percentage of women have— to know what percentage of women have tentses— to know what percentage of women have penises and— to know what percentage of women have penises and no,— to know what percentage of women have penises and no, this is tesause— have penises and no, this is tesause ot— have penises and no, this is because of rishi _ have penises and no, this is because of rishi sunak . the because of rishi sunak. the trtne— because of rishi sunak. the prime minister— because of rishi sunak. the prime minister has declared that to— prime minister has declared that to not— prime minister has declared that women do not have penises. this is women do not have penises. this tslongotng— women do not have penises. this tslongotng rov— women do not have penises. this is ongoing row that's been is an ongoing row that's been going— is an ongoing row that's been gotng — is an ongoing row that's been gotng ant— is an ongoing row that's been going on. and he— is an ongoing row that's been going on. and he was speaking vtth— going on. and he was speaking vtth a— going on. and he was speaking with a conservative home vetstte— with a conservative home website. this— with a conservative home website. this was on thursday . website. this was on thursday. rte-ve— website. this was on thursday. vve-ve hat— website. this was on thursday. we've had starmer has we've had keir starmer has vetghet— we've had keir starmer has vetghet tn— we've had keir starmer has weighed in and— we've had keir starmer has weighed in and said that he thtnts— weighed in and said that he thinks 99.9%_ weighed in and said that he thinks 99.9% of— weighed in and said that he thinks 99.9% of women haven't got a— thinks 99.9% of women haven't got a tents— thinks 99.9% of women haven't got a tents .— thinks 99.9% of women haven't got a tents. he— thinks 99.9% of women haven't got a penis. he used to say 99. so

got a penis. he used to say 99. so tt-s— got a penis. he used to say 99. so tt-s rnovtng— got a penis. he used to say 99. so it's moving in— got a penis. he used to say 99. so it's moving in that direction.— so it's moving in that direction. why are they . what? direction. why are they. what? thts— direction. why are they. what? thts ts— direction. why are they. what? thts ts reatty— direction. why are they. what? this is really silly— direction. why are they. what? this is really silly , isn't it? this is really silly, isn't it? how.— this is really silly, isn't it? now. at— this is really silly, isn't it? now, at this— this is really silly, isn't it? now, at this point i have a tents— now, at this point i have a tents. tut— now, at this point i have a penis, but it's— now, at this point i have a penis, but it's attached to my hustant— penis, but it's attached to my hustant .— penis, but it's attached to my husband . interesting. do you husband. interesting. do you thtnte— husband. interesting. do you thtnte toot— husband. interesting. do you think? look diane, is there a worry— think? look diane, is there a worry when— think? look diane, is there a worry when he— think? look diane, is there a worry when we have politicians tatttng— worry when we have politicians tatttng atout— worry when we have politicians talking about these kind of issues , when— talking about these kind of issues , when they're failing to issues, when they're failing to rust— issues, when they're failing to tust say— issues, when they're failing to tust say what— issues, when they're failing to just say what we— issues, when they're failing to just say what we all know to be true.— just say what we all know to be true. that— just say what we all know to be true, that there _ just say what we all know to be true, that there are— just say what we all know to be true, that there are two sexes, there-s— true, that there are two sexes, there-s nen— true, that there are two sexes, there's men and— true, that there are two sexes, there's men and there's women ant— there's men and there's women and women don't— there's men and there's women and women don't have penises? that—a— and women don't have penises? that—a controversy| and women don't have penises? tpartial a controversy and women don't have penises? tpartial claim, a controversy and women don't have penises? tpartial claim, althoughroversy and women don't have penises? tpartial claim, although iversy and women don't have penises? tpartial claim, although i know . partial claim, although i know that— . partial claim, although i know that one— . partial claim, although i know that one australian news that one of the australian news outtets—thts- that one of the australian news outlets—this was. outlets claimed that this was a tott— outlets claimed that this was a tote-ttsht — outlets claimed that this was a bold-rishi sunak,- outlets claimed that this was a bold rishi sunak, which bold claim by rishi sunak, which i bold claim by rishi sunak, which t—httartous. - bold claim by rishi sunak, which i_hilarious. it's- i thought was hilarious. it's sornethtng— i thought was hilarious. it's something-four. something that every four year old something that every four year out-vett— something that every four year ott-vett . — something that every four year old _well . not- something that every four year- old _well . not necessarily. old knows well. not necessarily. okay, not anymore. because education is the wild west. i think that i mean, it's very odd because they are the lawmakers and this is where it becomes tncky. and this is where it becomes tricky . the lawmakers appear to tricky. the lawmakers appear to be listening to a very small vocal minority that are on twitter and are sort of permanently saying this is and causing all of this furore or causing all of this furore or causing divide and division. and

if the lawmakers workers start to think that they need to kowtow and sort of bend to this like group of people making all this noise, it starts to become very dangerous. no, i'm i'll be honest with you. if you're going to start eroding what a woman is like, they never had a problem with what a woman was when we weren't allowed to do things, when we weren't allowed vote when we weren't allowed to vote . what a woman . you knew exactly what a woman was . when weren't allowed to was. when we weren't allowed to drive, exactly drive, you knew exactly what a woman but we've got all woman was. but now we've got all these i'm not sure these things and i'm not sure what woman now we've what a woman is. and now we've got sports teams. i'm got our own sports teams. i'm not sure what a woman is. right? so and of course, the shorts— right? so and of course, the sports teams— right? so and of course, the sports teams were divided sex sports teams were divided by sex tntttatty—soi initially so that women could so that— initially so that women could so that we— initially so that women could so that ve-tatrty— initially so that women could so that we fairly compete that we could fairly compete vtth — — that we could fairly compete vtth — .wel that we could fairly compete. with_ .we could with each other. and we could train we could get train hard and we could get trophies and sponsorship and do all always all those things that we always wanted were wanted to do. but we were excluded weren't men. excluded because we weren't men. yeah. these are important yeah. so these are important issues-bruce- yeah. so these are important issues bruce listen , all issues then. bruce listen, all evttense— issues then. bruce listen, all evttense to— issues then. bruce listen, all evidence to the— issues then. bruce listen, all evidence to the contrary . evidence to the contrary. i'm not— evidence to the contrary. i'm not interested _ evidence to the contrary. i'm not interested in— evidence to the contrary. i'm not interested in penises and i don't care if they are attached to a man or a woman. okay well,

no, from me, it's a no from bruce. one time for one more guestton— bruce. one time for one more guestton. t— bruce. one time for one more question. i think— t one time for one more question. i think this is from ssott. — question. i think this is from ssott. tsott— question. i think this is from scott. scott says,— question. i think this is from scott. scott says, should meghan question. i think this is from sc(attending;ays, should meghan question. i think this is from sc(attending the should meghan question. i think this is from sc(attending the king'sd meghan be attending the king's coronation— be attending the king's coronation open now? i do find i get a— coronation open now? i do find i get a th— coronation open now? i do find i get a ttt stst— coronation open now? i do find i get a bit sick of— coronation open now? i do find i get a bit sick of all— coronation open now? i do find i get a bit sick of all this tesause— get a bit sick of all this tesause t— get a bit sick of all this because i don't really care whether— because i don't really care whether she— because i don't really care whether she goes to the party or not. — whether she goes to the party or not. to. — whether she goes to the party or not. to. t— whether she goes to the party or not. to. t ton-t— whether she goes to the party or not. no, i don't think she does etther. — not. no, i don't think she does ether. to.— not. no, i don't think she does either. no, she's— not. no, i don't think she does either. \r2.r : either. no, she's made her money now. she wanted. now. she's got what she wanted. do that's what this do you think that's what this has yeah, she's has been about? yeah, she's ruined she's ruined her family. she's got a husband. got her own husband. she's got her own family. plenty family. she seems to have plenty of money. apparently of money. and apparently she's bringing back the price is right. apparently right. is that right? apparently did. don't know if that's a did. i don't know if that's a hawk. you have dreamt hawk. you might have dreamt that. don't. don't that. no, i don't. i don't sleep. so that. no, i don't. i don't sleep.learning so that. no, i don't. i don't sleep.learning a so that. no, i don't. i don't sleep.learning a lot so that. no, i don't. i don't sleep.learning a lot about me we're learning a lot about me tonight. no, apparently deal or no deal? oh, she's meant to be bringing back deal or no deal? oh no . in america, there's more oh no. in america, there's more money in america , so we can't. money in america, so we can't. the thing is , i just get. but- the thing is , i just get. but we the thing is, i just get. but we san-t— the thing is, i just get. but we san-t esste— the thing is, i just get. but we can't escape her— the thing is, i just get. but we can't escape her like this. this story— can't escape her like this. this story has— can't escape her like this. this news story has been over the news story has been all over the tress—att— news story has been all over the tress—ah veet- news story has been all over the press _all week this. press for weeks. all week this vest— press for weeks. all week this week .— press for weeks. all week this week . ant— press for weeks. all week this week . and .just- press for weeks. all week this week . and just thinking i'm week. and i'm just thinking i'm toret— week. and i'm just thinking i'm toret . — week. and i'm just thinking i'm toret. _that— week. and i'm just thinking i'm bored . _that is- week. and i'm just thinking i'm bored. _that is fair- week. and i'm just thinking i'm l bored . _that is fair enough bored. well, that is fair enough . i mean, i think it's good that she's not coming because it would hypocritical if she did

would be hypocritical if she did if did up , you would be hypocritical if she did if did up, you can't if she did turn up, you can't say, the royal family is say, oh, the royal family is terrible. go and sit terrible. yes, i will go and sit and do the thing. yeah all what i'd read. i can't remember- a�*r: r:r2r g 422" all what i'd read. i can't remember which tutttsatton— i'd read. i can't remember which tutttsatton tr— i'd read. i can't remember which publication it was. _ i'd read. i can't remember which publication it was. a lot of tests— publication it was. a lot of teotte are— publication it was. a lot of people are saying considering, vou— people are saying considering, you—thtnt- people are saying considering,j you—thtnt hat you know, charles, i think had vattet— you know, charles, i think had vattet her— you know, charles, i think had walked her down— you know, charles, i think had walked her down the aisle and, you— walked her down the aisle and, you thou.— walked her down the aisle and, you thou-tone- walked her down the aisle and, you know,-done-to. you know, he'd done a lot to etase— you know, he'd done a lot to embrace-the- you know, he'd done a lot to embrace the family and embrace her into the family and all embrace her into the family and art—stutt— all this kind of stuff that rnayte— all this kind of stuff that maybe .would- all this kind of stuff that maybe would be a nice way maybe that would be a nice way of maybe that would be a nice way or trytng— maybe that would be a nice way or trytng to— maybe that would be a nice way of trying to healing the rift of vashtng— washing her dirty linen in tuttts— washing her dirty linen in public—wind washing her dirty linen in. public._going to washing her dirty linen in- public._going to be public. i think it's going to be a rusty— public. i think it's going to be a trtsty one— public. i think it's going to be a tricky one, isn't— public. i think it's going to be a tricky one, isn't it, at this totnt— a tricky one, isn't it, at this totntlheat— a tricky one, isn't it, at this point,.heal-rift?- a tricky one, isn't it, at this point,.heal-rift? . a tricky one, isn't it, at this point, heal rift? . point, to heal this rift? it's got— point, to heal this rift? it's got to— point, to heal this rift? it's got to - broken - point, to heal this rift? it's got to-broken now,| got to be. it's broken now, surely. but equally, if surely. yeah. but equally, if she turns up, is she going to pull the coronation? pull focus from the coronation? because there's everybody pull focus from the coronation? beyou;e there's everybody pull focus from the coronation? beyou know,a's everybody pull focus from the coronation? beyou know, whenzrybody of to you know, when they sort of vast— to you know, when they sort of watch—language - to you know, when they sort of watch language and watch their body language and they—they-re- they analyse it and they're trytng— they analyse it and they're trytng-ot— they analyse it and they're trying-of listen- they analyse it and they're trying of listen in to trying to sort of listen in to what— trying to sort of listen in to what they-re— trying to sort of listen in to what they're secretly whispering to—than - to each other rather than tosustng— to each other rather than focusing charles to each other rather than. focusing-charles is focusing on what charles is totng— focusing on what charles is totng rtght— focusing on what charles is totng rtght. — focusing on what charles is doing right. 'r: doing right. and that's the important well important thing. okay. well still work still to come is the modern work place of idleness ? so place a hive of idleness? so we're going to be joined by technology journalist andrew orlowski that very orlowski to answer that very question. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation is the modern workplace being hit by an epidemic of bone idle employees , economists and idle employees, economists and policy makers everywhere are agonising over our flat productivity growth. but is our working landscape post—pandemic to blame? technology journalist andrew orlowski thinks so, and he's with me now to tell me more. andrew, welcome to the show. thanks for having me, man. okay, so let's start with this idea of what you call in your article empty labour. this idea that there are all these jobs apparently where people actually aren't . i mean, aren't doing anything. i mean, you mentioned a finished tax auditor at desk . auditor who died at his desk. he died his desk and he he died at his desk and he vasn-t—tor- he died at his desk and he wasn't—for two i he died at his desk and he- wasn't_for two days. wasn't discovered for two days. anu— wasn't discovered for two days. ant-too— wasn't discovered for two days. ant-too toothe- wasn't discovered for two days. and-100 people workingl and there's 100 people working with didn't with him, apparently didn't think in. it hasn't think of checking in. it hasn't got a snappy— think of checking in. it hasn't got a snatty name- think of checking in. it hasn't got a snappy name. i- tt 3 " it hasn't got a snappy name. i think a lot of got a snappy name. i think a lot or restore— got a snappy name. i think a lot or teotte voutt— got a snappy name. i think a lot of people would recognise it. that— of people would recognise it. that ant— of people would recognise it. that and there's— of people would recognise it. that and there's been an evttoston— that and there's been an explosion now- that and there's been an explosion now of jobs where i

vouttn-t— explosion now of jobs where i. wouldn't—absolutely wouldn't say there's absolutely nothtng— wouldn't say there's absolutely nothtng-you- wouldn't say there's absolutely nothing-you can- nothing to do, but you can sertatnty— nothing to do, but you can sertatnty-a- nothing to do, but you can certainly-a lot. nothing to do, but you can certainly a lot over nothing to do, but you can. certainly-a lot over a certainly spin out a lot over a very— certainly spin out a lot over a very tong— certainly spin out a lot over a very tong ttrne. — certainly spin out a lot over a very long time. but that's interesting, isn't it? because and it crosses of and it crosses all kinds of sectors across public sectors across the public sector. imean, sectors across the public sector. i mean, everyone makes totes—ant- jokes about bureaucracy and the stvtt— jokes about bureaucracy and the stvtt servtse— jokes about bureaucracy and the civil service and— jokes about bureaucracy and the civil service and quangos, but it's civil service and quangos, but tt-s astuatty— civil service and quangos, but it's actually large— it's actually large organisations it's actually large - organisations-probably it's actually large— organisations-probably the organisations are probably the worst— organisations are probably the worst-ot— organisations are probably the worst-of all. - organisations are probably the worst-of all. well,l organisations are probably the. worst-of all. well, you worst culprits of all. well, you tatt— worst culprits of all. well, you tatt tn— worst culprits of all. well, you talk in your article about this idea of people, they've got so much even they've much time, even though they've got jobs, they can got full time jobs, they can actually on another actually take on another full time take up hobbies or time job or take up hobbies or businesses while they're working. well, the beauty working. well, that's the beauty of working. well, that's the beauty or havtng— working. well, that's the beauty or havtng so— working. well, that's the beauty of having so much— 3 well, that's the beauty of having so much personal time at-vou— of having so much personal time at-vou an— of having so much personal time at-vou you- of having so much personal time at-you can you .fill. at work. you can you can fill it. you can do what- at work. you can you can fill it. you can do what you- at work. /r2.r. t " t " �*" ct . you can do what you like. it. you can do what you like. i mean,inoticed_ it. you can do what you like. i mean,inoticed we— . you can do what you like. i mean, noticed we there was mean, i noticed we there was a retort— mean, i noticed we there was a retort tn— mean, i noticed we there was a retort tn-tater— mean, i noticed we there was a report in paper that report in the paper today that the pedicurist_ report in the paper today that the pedicurist manicurists the pedicurist and manicurists are the pedicurist and manicurists retorttng— the pedicurist and manicurists are reporting spike in are reporting this spike in tustness— are reporting this spike in business during the week in tayttrne— business during the week in daytime hours.— business during the week in daytime hours. and they're satttng— daytime hours. and they're calling manager's bonus. calling it the manager's bonus. yes calling it the manager's bonus. ves that-s— calling it the manager's bonus. yes that's partly— calling it the manager's bonus. yes that's partly from yes that's partly a work from horne— yes that's partly a work from horns-t— yes that's partly a work from home-i think.- yes that's partly a work from home i think. but home thing. i think. but i nottset— home thing. i think. but i noticed—in. home thing. i think. but ii noticed—in my noticed i mentioned in my arttste— noticed i mentioned in my article-some-y. noticed i mentioned in myi article-some-y ers noticed i mentioned in my- article-some-y ers are article that some gen y ers are tattng— article that some gen y ers are tattng on— article that some gen y ers are tattng on t— article that some gen y ers are tattng on t or— article that some gen y ers are taking on 3 or 4— article that some gen y ers are taking on 3 or 4 jobs at home ant— taking on 3 or 4 jobs at home ant thetr— taking on 3 or 4 jobs at home and their bosses— taking on 3 or 4 jobs at home and their bosses don't know. t hey— and their bosses don't know. they tust— and their bosses don't know. they just think— and their bosses don't know. they just think they're working for they just think they're working tor thern. — they just think they're working tor them. so— they just think they're working for them. so why— they just think they're working for them. so why has this happened? why is it case happened? why is it the case that, you we've all had

that, you know, we've all had plenty of jobs where you go in, you 9 to 5, you're you work your 9 to 5, you're busy the whole you go busy the whole day, and you go home think know. home and you think you know. but this relatively new this seems like a relatively new thing in and you thing where you go in and you actually haven't got much to do. and widespread is it? well, and how widespread is it? well, it's not studies, so we r: 3: 7 well, it's not studies, so we don't have— it's not studies, so we don't. have—another have hard data on and another tastor— have hard data on and another tastor-tnov— have hard data on and another factor-knowldetaill factor we don't know in detail is factor we don't know in detail ts-teotte— factor we don't know in detaili is-people-admit is because people won't admit it, is because people won't admit tt-trtents.— is because people won't admit it,-friends. you'll- is because people won't admit it, friends. you'll see it, even to friends. you'll see them — it, even to friends. you'll see them la— it, even to friends. you'll see thernla trttay— it, even to friends. you'll see them a friday night. was them on a friday night. how was vorte— them on a friday night. how was vote on— them on a friday night. how was vote on tr— them on a friday night. how was work? oh, it was— them on a friday night. how was work? oh, it was really busy. them on a friday night. how was wori

and well, yeah, that's right. i mean, not everyone has this tuvury— mean, not everyone has this tuvurylshotse.— mean, not everyone has this luxury choice, think luxury of choice, but i think vvevet-t-s- luxury of choice, but i think we've - it's called i luxury of choice, but i think we've it's called a we've created it's called a surttus— we've created it's called a surplus elite,— we've created it's called a surplus elite, a- we've created it's called a surplus elite, a middle class ettte— surplus elite, a middle class elite-sense,— surplus elite, a middle classi elite-sense,-which elite in a sense, which which the— elite in a sense, which which tho-thts— elite in a sense, which which kind-this luxury.- elite in a sense, which which kind this luxury. it's kind of has this luxury. it's got— kind of has this luxury. it's got tots— kind of has this luxury. it's got jobs where,— kind of has this luxury. it's got jobs where, you know, whatever— got jobs where, you know, whatever work— got jobs where, you know, whatever work they do isn't reatty— whatever work they do isn't reatty gotng— whatever work they do isn't reatty gotng to— whatever work they do isn't really going to get them into an avtut— really going to get them into an awful-trouble— really going to get them into an awful-troublelthey- awful lot of trouble if they stast— awful lot of trouble if they stast ott. — awful lot of trouble if they slack off. yeah,- awful lot of trouble if they slack off. “air?" awful lot of trouble if they slack off. v423" slack off. yeah, well, one of the these industries i suppose is the diversity, equity and inclusion industry. and it's often how these often difficult to see how these very well paid people are doing anything at all other than complaining about complaining to people about things. that's been things. well, that's been a great— things. well, that's been a great racket.— things. well, that's been a great racket. the- 35 well, that's been a great racket. the human resources, the- great racket. the human resources, the human resources ttsett— resources, the human resources ttsett uset— resources, the human resources ttsett uset to— resources, the human resources itself used to be— resources, the human resources itself used to be some of you rntght— itself used to be some of you might remember— itself used to be some of you might remember 40 years ago there— might remember 40 years ago there vvas— might remember 40 years ago there a— might remember 40 years ago there was a personnel department in there was a personnel department tn an— there was a personnel department in an organisation— there was a personnel department in an organisation and it had two— in an organisation and it had two tests— in an organisation and it had two teotte ant— in an organisation and it had two people and they did payroll. they— two people and they did payroll. they tttn-t— two people and they did payroll. they tttn-t to— two people and they did payroll. they didn't do much else. apart horn— they didn't do much else. apart tron that. — they didn't do much else. apart from that. but— they didn't do much else. apart from that. but as— they didn't do much else. apart from that. but as soon as ernttoyees— from that. but as soon as employees-letl from that. but as soon as- employees-let them employees started to let them get-behaviour— employees started to let them get behaviour and mood, get into behaviour and mood, they— get into behaviour and mood, they-through- get into behaviour and mood, they through door they got in through this door sattet— they got in through this door- called _well—being. called wellness and well—being. there-s— called wellness and well—being. there's almost— called wellness and well—being. there's almost no— called wellness and well—being. there's almost no part your there's almost no part of your the— there's almost no part of your the that— there's almost no part of your the that they— there's almost no part of your life that they don't consider thetr— life that they don't consider thetr — life that they don't consider thetr .— life that they don't consider their own . it's— life that they don't consider their own . it's like a sort of their own. it's like a sort of esut— their own. it's like a sort of secular police— their own. it's like a sort of secular police force . c secular police force. isn't that oute— secular police force. isn't that odd? and particularly in corporations at moment, mean corporations at the moment, mean i one example that i think the one example that

everyone be familiar everyone here will be familiar with because with is twitter, because of course, musk come course, elon musk has come into twitter think two twitter fired, i think two thirds of the employees . and as thirds of the employees. and as far i can see, it's running far as i can see, it's running better than that's right. better than ever. that's right. yes. what were they doing? better than ever. that's right. yes. i don'tvere they doing? better than ever. that's right. yes. i don't thinkiey doing? better than ever. that's right. yes. i don't think theyoing? better than ever. that's right. yes. i don't think they were well, i don't think they were totng— well, i don't think they were gotng-at— well, i don't think they were gotng-at-antl well, i don't think they were. doing-at-and this doing anything at all. and this has-hot— doing anything at all. and this has-hot totts- doing anything at all. and this has-hot topic now. doing anything at all. and this has hot topic now in has become a hot topic now in stttson— has become a hot topic now in silicon-where- has become a hot topic now in silicon _where the - has become a hot topic now in silicon where the large silicon valley, where the large tesh — silicon valley, where the large test—ernttoyee- silicon valley, where the large tech employed and tech companies employed and i thtnt—z— tech companies employed and i thtnt—z or- tech companies employed and ii think—2 or 300,000 tech companies employed and i think they've 2 or 300,000 tech companies employed and i think they've let 2 or 300,000 people, they've let 2 or 300,000 go. ant — people, they've let 2 or 300,000 go. ant tt-s— people, they've let 2 or 300,000 go. and it's-like - people, they've let 2 or 300,000 go. and it's like twitter. go. and it's much like twitter. hototy— go. and it's much like twitter. hototy-any— go. and it's much like twitter. nobody any difference nobody tells any difference test.— nobody tells any difference tesh. resh— nobody tells any difference tech, tech, law— nobody tells any difference tech, tech, law or human resources. i think these are the big resources. i think these are the ttg aeas— resources. i think these are the big areas where— resources. i think these are the big areas where organisations have— big areas where organisations have sort— big areas where organisations can have sort of— big areas where organisations can have sort of just let it go out— can have sort of just let it go out or— can have sort of just let it go out of control. _ can have sort of just let it go out of control. ' r: t out of control. and certainly from some of the testimonies of people at twitter, some of the descriptions, you know, they had lots of sort of leisure activities going on. they had lots could lots of things that they could do. yeah, they weren't overworked because that might traumatise you had traumatise people. so you had all things. so it all that aspect of things. so it is just i all that aspect of things. so it isjust i mean, you all that aspect of things. so it is just i mean, you describe it as idleness in the in the article. is it idleness or is it people just getting away with it? know, because i think it? you know, because i think most of us, if we could get away with would. yeah. but with it, we would. yeah. but it's demoralising. i mean, it's also demoralising. i mean, there's, been there's, there's only been two

toots— there's, there's only been two hooks-the- there's, there's only been two books the subject. books really on the subject. ene-s— books really on the subject. one's one's got— books really on the subject. one's one's got this great title of one's one's got this great title 0f_by- one's one's got this great title ot—ty havttl of the living dead by david ttotushat— of the living dead by david klobuchar, who— of the living dead by david klobuchar, who describes having tetng— klobuchar, who describes having tetng an— klobuchar, who describes having being an insurance industry and havtng—to.- being an insurance industry and. havtng—to. ant having almost no work to do. and for having almost no work to do. and tor-years— having almost no work to do. and tor-years he— having almost no work to do. and for-years he was— having almost no work to do. and for years he was just not for two years he was just not totheret— for two years he was just not bothered-all— for two years he was just not bothered-all sort- for two years he was just not bothered all sort of soul bothered at all sort of soul testroytng— bothered at all sort of soul destroying .way- bothered at all sort of soul destroying way because, you destroying in a way because, you know.— destroying in a way because, you thou-hart— destroying in a way because, you know, hard motivate know, it's very hard to motivate yourseh—youl yourself when you when you sant — yourself when you when you sant .that— yourself when you when you can't. .that book- yourself when you when you. can't. .that book-good can't. but that book is a good example, because he example, isn't it? because he said insurance for said he worked in insurance for six years and estimates that six years and he estimates that he months. six months he did six months. six months work. he did six months. six months vort. _there-s- he did six months. six months work. _there's a- he did six months. six monthsi work. _there's a recent work. yeah and there's a recent essay— work. yeah and there's a recent essayla— work. yeah and there's a recent essayla guy— work. yeah and there's a recent essayla guy vho-s- work. yeah and there's a recent essay a guy who's written essay by a guy who's written a very—on— essay by a guy who's written a very—on at- essay by a guy who's written a. very—on ai, debunking very good book on al, debunking a-the— very good book on al, debunking a-the-emmanuel- a lot of the hype, emmanuel haggtort— a lot of the hype, emmanuel haggtort-he— a lot of the hype, emmanuel maggiori. he said he worked maggiori. and he said he worked in maggiori. and he said he worked tn-tor— maggiori. and he said he worked tn-toriyears.— maggiori. and he said he worked in -for.years. he's- maggiori. and he said he worked in for years. he's done in tech for six years. he's done atrnost—vhen- in tech for six years. he's done almost—when hei in tech for six years. he's done- almost_when he asks almost no work. and when he asks for almost no work. and when he asks tor vort— almost no work. and when he asks tor wort. tt-s— almost no work. and when he asks for work, it's kind— almost no work. and when he asks for work, it's kind of— almost no work. and when he asks for work, it's kind of don't say that. — for work, it's kind of don't say that. he— for work, it's kind of don't say that. it's like,— for work, it's kind of don't say that. it's like, but- for work, it's kind of don't say that. it's like, but this- for work, it's kind of don't say that. c t c that. it's like, but this isn't letting people letting the side down. people are this is are suggesting that this is great it means people great because it means people get murder. get away with murder. but actually, say, is actually, like you say, it is demoralising, not having something having a something to do, not having a sense purpose. i mean, that sense of purpose. i mean, that can't individual can't be good for an individual employee. think it's employee. well, i think it's sostatty— employee. well, i think it's socially—well. - employee. well, i think it's socially—well. if. socially divisive as well. if you— socially divisive as well. if you-stass- socially divisive as well. if you-stass ot- socially divisive as well. if you class of people socially divisive as well. if- you-class of people who you have a class of people who do you have a class of people who to very— you have a class of people who do very comfortably, whereas you ton-t— do very comfortably, whereas you ton-t-shotse— do very comfortably, whereas you don't-choicelyou'rel don't have that choice if you're sen—ernttoyee— don't have that choice if you're self—employed.a_ don't have that choice if you're self—employed acontractor self—employed or a contractor ant—havel and you certainly don't have that—tn- and you certainly don't have that—tn a- and you certainly don't have that—tn a tn| and you certainly don't havei that—tn a tn a that choice if you're in a in a tuttttrnent— that choice if you're in a in a fulfilment warehouse or a tttterent— fulfilment warehouse or a different type— fulfilment warehouse or a different type of job. cr2rxtr2;

different type of job. centre yest— different type of job. centre vas-tt— different type of job. centre hes-rt yours- different type of job. centre yes,_lf you're in- yes, exactly. if you're in a working job, yeah, yeah. working class job, yeah, yeah. you you don't you don't have the you don't have luxury of taking a have that luxury of taking up a second job hobby or that's second job or a hobby or that's it. you, pause for it. if you, if you pause for five seconds, klaxons go five seconds, the klaxons go off. if you're a call centre, five seconds, the klaxons go off. know, 're a call centre, five seconds, the klaxons go off. know, a3 a call centre, five seconds, the klaxons go off. know, a red:all centre, five seconds, the klaxons go off. know, a red lightantre, five seconds, the klaxons go off. know, a red light appears on you know, a red light appears on mr. you know, a red light appears on ton-test.— you know, a red light appears on mr.-desk. they're- you know, a red light appears on mr.-desk. they're so- mr. burns's desk. they're so honored— mr. burns's desk. they're so monitored-so,- mr. burns's desk. they're so monitored-so, so- mr. burns's desk. they're so monitored so, so nailed that monitored and so, so nailed that teotte— monitored and so, so nailed that teotte-that-s— monitored and so, so nailed that teotte-that-s-tl people think that's a joke. i used— people think that's a joke. i used to— people think that's a joke. i used to work— people think that's a joke. i used to work in— people think that's a joke. i used to work in a- people think that's a joke. i| used to work in a-centre used to work in a call centre and if you went to the toilet used to work in a call centre ancslightlyivent to the toilet used to work in a call centre ancslightly tool to the toilet used to work in a call centre ancslightly too long �*re toilet used to work in a call centre ancslightly too long that ilet for slightly too long that a light would come on. someone would question you about your toilet yeah, toilet habits. i mean, yeah, i t— toilet habits. i mean, yeah, i mean, i think.— toilet habits. i mean, yeah, i mean, i think. i— toilet habits. i mean, yeah, i mean, i think. i mean,- i mean, yeah, i mean, i think. i mean, i'm old enough— mean, i think. i mean, i'm old enough-remember- mean, i think. i mean, i'm old enough remember the 70 enough to remember the 70. sesots—very seconds, just about. i was very, very— seconds, just about. i was very, very young— seconds, just about. i was very, very young-tast- seconds, just about. i was very, very young fact, i'm very young boy. in fact, i'm tytng—rne- very young boy. in fact, i'mi lying._me about very young boy. in fact, i'm i lying._me about it. lying. people told me about it. tut— lying. people told me about it. tut-hat— lying. people told me about it. tut-hat targe— lying. people told me about it. but had large trade unions but you had large trade unions there— but you had large trade unions there whose— but you had large trade unions there whose - kind - but you had large trade unions there whose kind purpose there whose main kind of purpose was there whose main kind of purposei vas-sure-teotte was to make sure, as many people did— was to make sure, as many people didv_p055ible-- was to make sure, as many people did,_possible. and- did, as little as possible. and they— did, as little as possible. and they-tht— did, as little as possible. and they-ttnt ot— did, as little as possible. and they kind of some them they were kind of some of them vveea—t— they were kind of some of them were—at creating- were quite good at creating tots.— were quite good at creatingi tots—stunted were quite good at creating- jobs. _stamped out. jobs. and that was stamped out. it jobs. and that was stamped out. tt-tt— jobs. and that was stamped out. tt-ot-tnov.- jobs. and that was stamped out. it-of,-know, it's- it was sort of, you know, it's tust— it was sort of, you know, it's just-shameful- it was sort of, you know, it's just-shameful for. just terribly shameful for trttatn— just terribly shameful for. britain—practises britain to have this practises going— britain to have this practises gotng—tt- britain to have this practises gotng—tr tust- britain to have this practises. going—it just seems going on. yes. but it just seems atte— going on. yes. but it just seems ttte the— going on. yes. but it just seems like the middle— going on. yes. but it just seems like the middle class have susseetet— like the middle class have succeeded where the working stass— class movement has failed. that-s— class movement has failed. that's interesting,— class movement has failed. that's interesting-it?- that's interesting, isn't it? do you these you think, though, with these sort revelations as we've sort of revelations as we've seen that seen at twitter, the fact that musk of most of the musk can get rid of most of the workforce nothing happens, workforce and nothing happens, is going catch or are

is that going to catch on or are people going to think, well, is that going to catch on or are peoplwell,ig to think, well, is that going to catch on or are peoplwell, he 0 think, well, is that going to catch on or are peoplwell, he didtink, well, is that going to catch on or are peoplwell, he did it.;, well, is that going to catch on or are peoplwell, he did it. afterl, okay, well, he did it. after all, these people are in the business money business of making money and this them an awful this will save them an awful lot. i quality of the lot. i think the quality of the teotte— lot. i think the quality of the teottelthe— lot. i think the quality of the teottelthe tot— i think the quality of the people the top really people at the top is really too.— people at the top is really toot-not— people at the top is really poor. not optimistic. and poor. i'm not optimistic. and i thtnt— poor. i'm not optimistic. and i thtnt-shatgtt- poor. i'm not optimistic. and i think chatgpt comes in, think as i and chatgpt comes in, those— think as i and chatgpt comes in, those tests- think as i and chatgpt comes in, those people are— think as i and chatgpt comes in, those people are the first to tho— those people are the first to ttnt ot— those people are the first to ttnt ot grat— those people are the first to kind of grab the— those people are the first to kind of grab the opportunities to . kind of grab the opportunities to-. us— kind of grab the opportunities to-. us a- kind of grab the opportunities to-. us a trot.- to look busy. it's a prop. tastsatty— to look busy. it's a prop. basically. they're acting at vort— basically. they're acting at work the— basically. they're acting at work the entire— basically. they're acting at work the entire working day is a terorrnanser— work the entire working day is a performance and— work the entire working day is a performance and technology attovs— performance and technology allows them _ performance and technology allows them to _ performance and technology allows them to look busier than they— allows them to look busier than they astuatty— allows them to look busier than they actually are. _ allows them to look busier than they actually are. c they actually are. but it's interesting, hari's interesting, in johann hari's book focus, mentions book stolen focus, he mentions a study to where one study in australia to where one company decides to make it a four day working week rather than a five day week, but not change amount of work that change the amount of work that they produce. they expect people to produce. and and people prefer and it works and people prefer it done within a it. they get it done within a short of time. their short amount of time. their productivity increases. so maybe is solution that is that one solution or is that does us that? in fact, does that tell us that? in fact, a time people are a lot of the time people are just things out just spacing things out needlessly? yeah, parkinson's law needlessly? yeah, parkinson's tau—tust-vorti law is cool. you just the work extants— law is cool. you just the work evtantsltttt— law is cool. you just the work expands-fill the- law is cool. you just the work expands fill the time expands to fill the time available.— expands to fill the time available. think it's a great available. i think it's a great evarntte— available. i think it's a great evantte ot— available. i think it's a great example of. andrew yeah. c355; example of. andrew yeah. okay. vett— example of. andrew yeah. okay. that. very— example of. andrew yeah. okay. well, very interesting. we'll see happens. thank you very see what happens. thank you very much, andrew, for joining us

today. . yeah, today. really appreciate. yeah, it'll be very interesting to see if elon musk's tactics will will catch on in other corporations. part of me hopes that they really do anyway. still to come, how is it that trigger warnings are creeping into the pages of one inoffensive and one of the most inoffensive and some dull places on some might say dull places on the library. come the earth? the library. come back and join us with johanna williams. we're going discuss williams. we're going to discuss that minutes .

welcome back to free speech nation. with me andrew doyle to work in a library has always been deemed a dull or boring job, so it may surprise you that staff at the british library are now being offered emotional support to help them cope with workplace trauma. it includes putting trigger warnings on library books deemed insensitive of outdated or contrary racial. so to get to the bottom of what

all this is about, i'm joined by author and academic johanna williams. johanna thanks so much for joining me. williams. johanna thanks so much for joining me . can i ask you, forjoining me. can i ask you, this is about a document that the british library has produced. well, they produced it last year. they've just published it this week. you published it this week. can you tell document tell us what this document is and what it tells us so this is and what it tells us so this is an anti—racist action plan that the library wants to implement, and it basically involves allowing the public to engage in safe searching of a library database. so safe searching of a library database . so rather than database. so rather than inadvertently— can? so rather than inadvertently stumbling across any sontent— inadvertently stumbling across any content that— inadvertently stumbling across any content that you might find ottenstve— any content that you might find offensive workers— any content that you might find offensive workers at the british tttrary— offensive workers at the british tttrary ot— offensive workers at the british tttrary ot a— offensive workers at the british library of a library are going to te— library of a library are going to be employed— library of a library are going to be employed to flag up any sontent— to be employed to flag up any content that— to be employed to flag up any content that might be considered outtatet— content that might be considered outdated or— content that might be considered outdated or racist— content that might be considered outdated or racist or just to etress— outdated or racist or just to express attitudes and beliefs that— express attitudes and beliefs that he— express attitudes and beliefs that we don't— express attitudes and beliefs that we don't really are not seen as socially— that we don't really are not seen as socially acceptable novatays— seen as socially acceptable nowadays. let's— seen as socially acceptable nowadays. let's say old fashioned— nowadays. let's say old fashioned views. johanna i think a hot— fashioned views. johanna i think a hot or— fashioned views. johanna i think a hot or teotte— fashioned views. johanna i think a lot of people you spend a lot of a lot of people you spend a lot or teotte— a lot of people you spend a lot of people watching will see the trav— of people watching will see the than tn— of people watching will see the than tn thts.— of people watching will see the

flaw in this, that— of people watching will see the flaw in this, that the british tttrary— flaw in this, that the british tttrary ts— flaw in this, that the british library is one— flaw in this, that the british library is one of— flaw in this, that the british library is one of the major sotyrtght— library is one of the major copyright libraries. . copyright libraries. it has a copy— copyright libraries. it has a soty ot— copyright libraries. it has a soty or every— copyright libraries. it has a copy of every book that is published going back many, many, many , goes back many centuries, goes right back to magna carta. and people to the magna carta. and people used different used to have different attitudes, didn't they ? attitudes, didn't they? absolutely. i mean,«this absolutely. i mean, this is attitudes, didn't they? - absolutely. i mean, this is the most— absolutely. i mean, this is the most ridiculous— absolutely. i mean, this is the most ridiculous suggestion tesause— most ridiculous suggestion because where— most ridiculous suggestion because where do you start? i the— because where do you start? i mean, the bible,— because where do you start? i mean, the bible, you wouldn't have— mean, the bible, you wouldn't have anythtng— mean, the bible, you wouldn't have anything from the bible. hothtng— have anything from the bible. hothtng horn— have anything from the bible. nothing from the old testament voutt—tass- would be allowed to pass through.— would be allowed to pass through-take. would be allowed to pass. through.-take all would be allowed to pass- through. _take all the through. you could take all the anstent— through. you could take all the ancient-texts— through. you could take all the ancient-texts .- through. you could take all the ancient texts . none of ancient greek texts. none of those— ancient greek texts. none of those-te— ancient greek texts. none of those-be able- ancient greek texts. none of those-be able to- ancient greek texts. none of those be able to stand , those would be able to stand, vou— those would be able to stand, you thou.— those would be able to stand, you know,_this- those would be able to stand, you know, this works at you know, none of this works at art.— you know, none of this works at art. tverythtng— you know, none of this works at all. everything is— you know, none of this works at all. everything is going to have all. everything is going to have avarntng— all. everything is going to have a warning attached to it eventuatty— a warning attached to it eventually. - a warning attached to it eventually . a warning attached to it eventually. a warning attached to it eventually . . eventually. so what is their plan? they're going to attach warnings to all of these various books so that people who are browsing, shall we say, aren't traumatised . and of course, when traumatised. and of course, when you go to british library, you go to the british library, you're not really browsing, are you? know what you're you? you know what you're looking for. but this well, obviously waste money. obviously it's a waste of money. there's also there there's that, but also there don't seem very good at their job because mean last year job because i mean last year they of they applied some kind of warning to ted hughes claiming they applied some kind of warning tdescended es claiming they applied some kind of warning tdescended from aiming they applied some kind of warning tdescended from slave| he was a descended from slave owners even turn owners and it didn't even turn

out . no, absolutely . out to be true. no, absolutely. so out to be true. no, absolutely. to t— out to be true. no, absolutely. to t guess— out to be true. no, absolutely. to r guess the— out to be true. no, absolutely. so i guess the person- no, absolutely. so i guess the person who would have— so i guess the person who would have a— so i guess the person who would have a statrn — so i guess the person who would have a claim to— so i guess the person who would have a claim to be— so i guess the person who would have a claim to be traumatised in have a claim to be traumatised tn att— have a claim to be traumatised tn at or— have a claim to be traumatised tn at or that— have a claim to be traumatised in all of that would be the retattves— in all of that would be the relatives of _ in all of that would be the relatives of ted— in all of that would be the relatives of ted hughes, who ttssoveret — relatives of ted hughes, who discovered this— relatives of ted hughes, who discovered this bogus news about her. — discovered this bogus news about her. how— discovered this bogus news about her. now distant— discovered this bogus news about her. now distant relative. so, yeah— her. now distant relative. so, yeah .— her. now distant relative. so, yeah . the— her. now distant relative. so, yeah , the whole— her. now distant relative. so, yeah , the whole thing. but yeah, the whole thing. but i tt-s— yeah, the whole thing. but i mean, it's partly— yeah, the whole thing. but i mean, it's partly it's a waste of mean, it's partly it's a waste ot the— mean, it's partly it's a waste or ttne ant— mean, it's partly it's a waste of time and money. it's ottenstve— of time and money. it's offensive to— of time and money. it's offensive to readers. it's tnsutttng— offensive to readers. it's insulting to _ offensive to readers. it's insulting to the public that we shouttn-t— insulting to the public that we shouttn-t te— insulting to the public that we shouldn't be allowed to make up our own minds— shouldn't be allowed to make up our own minds about what it is reattng— our own minds about what it is reattng .— our own minds about what it is we're reading . but— our own minds about what it is we're reading . but i also do we're reading. but i also do thtnt— we're reading. but i also do thtnt tt-s— we're reading. but i also do thtnt tt-s a— we're reading. but i also do think it's a horrible job to get sornetoty— think it's a horrible job to get sornetoty to— think it's a horrible job to get somebody to do. _ think it's a horrible job to get somebody to do. you know, people are somebody to do. you know, people tetng— somebody to do. you know, people tetng tatt— somebody to do. you know, people tetng tatt to— somebody to do. you know, people are being paid to spend their entre— are being paid to spend their enttre ttrne— are being paid to spend their entire time looking for things to te— entire time looking for things to be aggrieved— entire time looking for things to be aggrieved about, to seek out ottense— to be aggrieved about, to seek out offence and— to be aggrieved about, to seek out offence and then extra teotte— out offence and then extra teotte are— out offence and then extra people are then having to be tatt— people are then having to be tatt on— people are then having to be tatt on tot— people are then having to be tatt on tot ot— people are then having to be paid on top of that to offer those— paid on top of that to offer those teotte— paid on top of that to offer those people emotional support. i those people emotional support. t neon— those people emotional support. t where— those people emotional support. i mean, where does that stop ? i mean, where does that stop? are— i mean, where does that stop? are you— i mean, where does that stop? are you then— i mean, where does that stop? are you then going to kind of pay— are you then going to kind of tay tor— are you then going to kind of pay for another— are you then going to kind of pay for another of people pay for another layer of people to trovtte — pay for another layer of people to provide emotional support to the—suttort- to provide emotional support to the support workers? the emotional support workers? you the emotional support workers? vou thou.— the emotional support workers? you know. so— the emotional support workers? you know, so just— the emotional support workers? you know, so just this is the togts— you know, so just this is the togts ot— you know, so just this is the togts ot thts— you know, so just this is the logic of this ,— you know, so just this is the logic of this , joanna, where

logic of this, joanna, where where— logic of this, joanna, where where toes— logic of this, joanna, where where does all— logic of this, joanna, where where does all this come from? i where does all this come from? t nean— where does all this come from? t youve— where does all this come from? i mean, you've written - where does all this come from? i mean, you've written previous a lot about trigger warnings. where does this trigger warning idea come and why is it idea come from and why is it spread rapidly through all spread so rapidly through all aspects no aspects of society? no absolutely. imean, aspects of society? no absolutely. i mean, i think ortgtnatty— absolutely. i mean, i think ortgtnatty tt— absolutely. i mean, i think originally it comes- 02g i mean, i think originally it comes from the onttne— originally it comes from the online world. _ originally it comes from the online world. i— originally it comes from the online world. i mean, people atso— online world. i mean, people atso trase— online world. i mean, people also trace it— online world. i mean, people also trace it to— online world. i mean, people also trace it to things like the cinema where— also trace it to things like the cinema where we've always had age— cinema where we've always had age tor— cinema where we've always had age tor a— cinema where we've always had age ror a tong— cinema where we've always had age for a long time, had age rattngs— age for a long time, had age rattngs on— age for a long time, had age ratings on cinema . age for a long time, had age ratings on cinema. but but i thtnt— ratings on cinema. but but i thtnt that-s— ratings on cinema. but but i think that's actually something gutte—vasl quite different because it was never—offensive i never to do with offensive sontent— never to do with offensive sontent ter— never to do with offensive content per-it- never to do with offensive content per it was to do content per se. it was to do vtth— content per se. it was to do vtth se— content per se. it was to do vtth or— content per se. it was to do with sex or violence , that that with sex or violence, that that rnush— with sex or violence, that that was much more— with sex or violence, that that was much more specific and it mush— was much more specific and it was much more about age rather than— was much more about age rather than than— was much more about age rather than than warning— was much more about age rather than than warning about things you rntght— than than warning about things you might offensive . from you might find offensive. from there.— you might find offensive. from therelrnovet— you might find offensive. from there,.moved into- you might find offensive. from there, moved into academia there, it moved into academia where— there, it moved into academia vherelts— there, it moved into academia wherelis still— there, it moved into academia wherelis still so— there, it moved into academia where is still so rife, even where it is still so rife, even tust— where it is still so rife, even tust tn— where it is still so rife, even tust tn the— where it is still so rife, even just in the news— where it is still so rife, even just in the news today, it's tatttng— just in the news today, it's talking about— just in the news today, it's talking about exeter university, the arts— talking about exeter university, the arts ant— talking about exeter university, the arts and humanities faculty at taster— the arts and humanities faculty at exeter university giving trtgger— at exeter university giving trigger warnings associated with youth— trigger warnings associated with youth ant— trigger warnings associated with youth ant age.— trigger warnings associated with youth ant age. t— trigger warnings associated with youth and age. i mean, you know , youth and age. i mean, you know . every— youth and age. i mean, you know . every terson— youth and age. i mean, you know , every person alive— youth and age. i mean, you know , every person alive has been young— , every person alive has been young at— , every person alive has been young at sorne— , every person alive has been young at some point and will be old young at some point and will be ott at— young at some point and will be ott at some— young at some point and will be old at some point.— young at some point and will be old at some point. so quite why youth— old at some point. so quite why youth ant— old at some point. so quite why youth ant age—

old at some point. so quite why youth and age need to have trtgger— youth and age need to have trigger warnings. i mean, truly teggars— trigger warnings. i mean, truly teggars tettet— trigger warnings. i mean, truly beggars belief, but it's from asaternta— beggars belief, but it's from academia where— beggars belief, but it's from academia where people have tesoe— academia where people have become accustomed to it that i guess— become accustomed to it that i guess teotte— become accustomed to it that i guess people have— become accustomed to it that i guess people have then gone out tnto— guess people have then gone out tnto vort— guess people have then gone out tnto vort uton— guess people have then gone out into work upon graduation and sarrtet— into work upon graduation and sarrtet thts— into work upon graduation and carried this idea— into work upon graduation and carried this idea with them . carried this idea with them. anu— carried this idea with them. ant tt-s— carried this idea with them. ant he a— carried this idea with them. and it's a real— carried this idea with them. and it's a real problem,- carried this idea with them. and it's a real problem, isn't it? it points to an issue of infantilization, of students. you know, it's to suggest that students need to be warned about any possible thing that might upset think one upset them. i think one university warning on university put a warning on ernest hemingway's the old man and the sea, saying it contained scenes fishing . but i scenes of graphic fishing. but i would have thought that students can cope with this kind of thing. why are they thing. otherwise, why are they at university ? absolutely. i at university? absolutely. i mean, a-name- at university? absolutely. i. mean, a-nameitrigger mean, a good name for trigger vvantnsg— mean, a good name for trigger varntngs-tn— mean, a good name for trigger warnings,-in that- warnings, i think, in that sontevt— warnings, i think, in that context spoiler. warnings, i think, in that. context-spoiler. you context is plots spoiler. you know.— context is plots spoiler. you know. often— context is plots spoiler. you know, often you'll find kind of anna— know, often you'll find kind of anna-trtgger- know, often you'll find kind of anna trigger warning anna karenina trigger warning sutstte— anna karenina trigger warning sutstte .— anna karenina trigger warning sutstte . sot.— anna karenina trigger warning suicide . god, you know, shux. suicide. god, you know, shux. what-s— suicide. god, you know, shux. whats the— suicide. god, you know, shux. what's the point— suicide. god, you know, shux. what's the point reading this what's the point of reading this took— what's the point of reading this toot no— what's the point of reading this book now? you— what's the point of reading this book now? you know, you've kind what's the point of reading this bo given v? you know, you've kind what's the point of reading this bo given awayi know, you've kind what's the point of reading this bo given away major, you've kind what's the point of reading this bo given away major chunks kind what's the point of reading this bo given away major chunks ofnd of given away major chunks of the enttng— of given away major chunks of the enttng .— of given away major chunks of the ending . it's— of given away major chunks of the ending . it's infantilizing. the ending. it's infantilizing. it's insulting.— the ending. it's infantilizing. it's insulting. but but, you know.— it's insulting. but but, you know. tt-s— it's insulting. but but, you know, it's comes from this kind of suture— know, it's comes from this kind of suture ot— know, it's comes from this kind of culture of safety— know, it's comes from this kind of culture of safety ism where teotte— of culture of safety ism where teotte are— of culture of safety ism where people are perceived as being so

ernottonatty— people are perceived as being so emotionally vulnerable to every astest— emotionally vulnerable to every astest ot— emotionally vulnerable to every aspect of society— emotionally vulnerable to every aspect of society that they need these— aspect of society that they need these warnings— aspect of society that they need these warnings to— aspect of society that they need these warnings to kind of wrap them — these warnings to kind of wrap them ut— these warnings to kind of wrap them ut tn— these warnings to kind of wrap them up in cotton— these warnings to kind of wrap them up in cotton wool before they— them up in cotton wool before they even— them up in cotton wool before they even read— them up in cotton wool before they even read books. but but thtnt— they even read books. but but think there's— they even read books. but but think there's that— they even read books. but but think there's that side of it. tut— think there's that side of it. tut tt-s— think there's that side of it. but it's also— think there's that side of it. but it's also incredibly tottttsat— but it's also incredibly political as— but it's also incredibly political as well . and we political as well. and we mustn-t— political as well. and we mustn't kind— political as well. and we mustn't kind of can't get away trom— mustn't kind of can't get away from that— mustn't kind of can't get away from that fact. _ mustn't kind of can't get away from that fact. there's other tttrartes. — from that fact. there's other libraries. i've— from that fact. there's other libraries. i've been speaking to a tttrartan— libraries. i've been speaking to a librarian from— libraries. i've been speaking to a librarian from university a librarian from the university of a librarian from the university ot—teen- a librarian from the university of_been involvedi a librarian from the university. of_been involved in of leeds who's been involved in tutttng— of leeds who's been involved in putting-warnings- of leeds who's been involved in putting warnings on an putting trigger warnings on an arshtve— putting trigger warnings on an archive-helping- archive he's been helping to. ue-s— archive he's been helping to. hes not.— archive he's been helping to. hes not. he— archive he's been helping to. he's not. he compiled the arshtve— he's not. he compiled the arshtve ot— he's not. he compiled the archive of the— he's not. he compiled the archive of the people are now applying— archive of the people are now applying the_ archive of the people are now applying the trigger warnings . applying the trigger warnings. ue-s— applying the trigger warnings. hes-atout- applying the trigger warnings. he's-about this- applying the trigger warnings. he's about this and he's very cross about this and he-saytng— he's very cross about this and he-saytng-tust- he's very cross about this and he saying just how he was saying to me just how setesttve— he was saying to me just how selective this— he was saying to me just how selective this process is, where the the— selective this process is, where the ttnt ot— selective this process is, where the kind of butchering of antmats— the kind of butchering of animals of— the kind of butchering of animals of livestock is given trtgger— animals of livestock is given trigger warnings— animals of livestock is given trigger warnings , but murder, trigger warnings, but murder, vttshsratt— trigger warnings, but murder, vttshsratt .— trigger warnings, but murder, witchcraft , the _ trigger warnings, but murder, witchcraft , the occult is not do witchcraft, the occult is not do sornethtng— witchcraft, the occult is not do somethtng to— witchcraft, the occult is not do something to humans. that's sonstteret— something to humans. that's considered perfectly fine . no considered perfectly fine. no meet— considered perfectly fine. no neet tor— considered perfectly fine. no neet tor a— considered perfectly fine. no need for a trigger warning. kill a pig— need for a trigger warning. kill a ttg or— need for a trigger warning. kill a ttg or a— need for a trigger warning. kill a ttg or a sheet.— need for a trigger warning. kill a pig or a sheep. you know, you must— a pig or a sheep. you know, you must-thts— a pig or a sheep. you know, you must-thtsltnt— a pig or a sheep. you know, you must-this.and it's- a pig or a sheep. you know, you must this and it's just must flag this up and it's just rettesttng— must flag this up and it's just reflecting the— must flag this up and it's just reflecting the interests , if you reflecting the interests, if you atte— reflecting the interests, if you the ot— reflecting the interests, if you the ot the— reflecting the interests, if you like, of the people who are statttng— like, of the people who are statttng on— like, of the people who are slapping on the— like, of the people who are slapping on the warnings . 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pg, wodehouse, penguin, random house are rewriting elements of his books because they think it might upset people. has that is that the sort of logical development from this that you're just going to get a bunch of sort of uptight puritans going through works and changing them yeah i think that's them for us? yeah i think that's absolutely where it leads. and it also seems me to absolutely where it leads. and it also seems-me to lead. it also seems to me to lead tnevttotty— it also seems to me to lead inevitably to— it also seems to me to lead inevitably to censorship as vett— inevitably to censorship as wet. t— inevitably to censorship as well. i mean,— inevitably to censorship as well. i mean, if- inevitably to censorship as well. i mean, if you're a untverstty— well. i mean, if you're a university-and. well. i mean, if you're a- university-and you've university lecturer and you've sertousty— seriously believed these varntngs— seriously believed these vtrntngs .— seriously believed these warnings , if— seriously believed these warnings , if you think that warnings, if you think that tetttng— warnings, if you think that tetttng your— warnings, if you think that letting your students read this toot— letting your students read this book—potentially. book is going to potentially traumattse— book is going to potentially traumatise them, then the very easy— traumatise them, then the very easy stet— traumatise them, then the very easy stet ts— traumatise them, then the very easy stet ts tust— traumatise them, then the very easy step is just not to include thor— easy step is just not to include that took— easy step is just not to include that toot on— easy step is just not to include that book on the— easy step is just not to include that book on the reading list in the ttrst— that book on the reading list in the first place. _ that book on the reading list in the first place. so— that book on the reading list in the first place. so it does seem to-to— the first place. so it does seem to-to reatty— the first place. so it does seem to-to really be— the first place. so it does seem to-to really be a— the first place. so it does seem to to really be a precursor to me to really be a precursor for censorship— to me to really be a precursor for censorship-you- to me to really be a precursor for censorship. do you think there pushback from there is any pushback from academics ? because academics and students? because one of the things that troubles me a little bit that no one me a little bit is that no one seems be complaining. mean, seems to be complaining. i mean, if student and someone if i were a student and someone was telling me, oh, you mustn't read because might get read this because you might get upset, tell them where upset, i would tell them where to well, would tell them to go. well, i would tell them where— to go. well, i would tell them where-go.— to go. well, i would tell them where-go,-would- 30 well, i would tell them where go, would also where to go, but it would also make— where to go, but it would also mate-vant— where to go, but it would also make-wantlseek- where to go, but it would also make want seek out the make me want to seek out the toots— make me want to seek out the hooks tnt— make me want to seek out the hooks ant to— make me want to seek out the books and to find— make me want to seek out the books and to find out exactly

what— books and to find out exactly vhat-t-ve- books and to find out exactly what-i've been- books and to find out exactlyi what-i've been-i what it is that i've been told i shouttn-t— what it is that i've been told i shouttn-t-t- what it is that i've been told i shouldn't-i really- what it is that i've been told i shouldn't i really hope shouldn't read. so i really hope there— shouldn't read. so i really hope there-th— shouldn't read. so i really hope there-ttt ot— shouldn't read. so i really hope there-bit of that- shouldn't read. so i really hope there bit of that going on. there is a bit of that going on. i there is a bit of that going on. t-sertatnty— there is a bit of that going on. i certainly speaking from i mean, certainly speaking from my—teenl my own experience, i've been toottng— looking around second hand shots— looking around second hand shots. shanty— looking around second hand shops, charity shops for books vtth— shops, charity shops for books vtth a— shops, charity shops for books vtth a great— shops, charity shops for books with a great-more- with a great deal more enthusiasm— with a great deal more enthusiasm ever with a great deal more enthusiasm _ever to enthusiasm than i ever used to in enthusiasm than i ever used to tn—tnteresteti in the past. i'm not interested in the past. i'm not interested tn tuytng— in the past. i'm not interested tn tuytng-sottes- in the past. i'm not interested in buying copies of in buying new copies of literature— in buying new copies of literature certainly not literature and certainly not tuytng—o- literature and certainly not tuytng—a kindi literature and certainly not. buying—a kind of buying anything on a kind of e—reader anymore. i want the i wont— e—reader anymore. i want the i want the— e—reader anymore. i want the i want the original— e—reader anymore. i want the i want the original kind of 1920s ettttons— want the original kind of 1920s ettttons ot— want the original kind of 1920s editions of 1930— want the original kind of 1920s editions of 1930 editions of agotho— editions of1930 editions of agatha christie— editions of 1930 editions of agatha christie . you know, the agatha christie. you know, the mes— agatha christie. you know, the 1920s editions— agatha christie. you know, the 1920s editions of— agatha christie. you know, the 1920s editions of fiji by wodehouse. _ 1920s editions of fiji by wodehouse. you know, i want those— wodehouse. you know, i want those original— wodehouse. you know, i want those original texts and i rettty— those original texts and i reatty hote— those original texts and i really hope it— those original texts and i really hope it does create a bit ot— really hope it does create a bit more of an appetite for people. thts— more of an appetite for people. thts ts— more of an appetite for people. thts ts my— more of an appetite for people. thts ts my hote— more of an appetite for people. this is my hope anyway , the kind this is my hope anyway, the kind of this is my hope anyway, the kind or sttrtt— this is my hope anyway, the kind or sttrtt ot— this is my hope anyway, the kind of spirit of rebellion we all go out— of spirit of rebellion we all go out there— of spirit of rebellion we all go out there - read _ of spirit of rebellion we all go out there read books from out there and read books from tutttshet— out there and read books from tutttshet tn— out there and read books from published in the— out there and read books from published in the past hundred years— published in the past hundred years. — published in the past hundred years . absolutely- published in the past hundred years . ' 02g g years. absolutely fascinating. joanna williams , thanks so much joanna williams, thanks so much for joining me. joanna williams, thanks so much for joining me . thank you so forjoining me. thank you so i think i think joanna williams makes a really interesting point. there's going to be a boom in second—hand books aren't there? because it's similar with you these streaming services you get these streaming services cutting offensive cutting out, sort of offensive scenes in fact, cutting out, sort of offensive sc happened in fact, cutting out, sort of offensive sc happened to in fact, cutting out, sort of offensive

schappened to fawlty in fact, cutting out, sort of offensive sc happened to fawlty towers. ct, it happened to fawlty towers. if you towers on bbc you watch fawlty towers on bbc iplayer , the episode germans iplayer, the episode the germans has scene removed has a whole scene removed because seen scene that because it has seen a scene that people might, might find people may, might, might find offensive . so and more offensive. so more and more people going have hard people are going to have hard copies, digital copies, dvds, old that's way old books. that's the way to deal suppose. well, i deal with it, i suppose. well, i suppose so. but what- deal with it, i suppose. well, i suppose so. but what i- : l well, i suppose so. but what i think is gutte— suppose so. but what i think is quite interesting— suppose so. but what i think is quite interesting is she quite interesting is how she totntet— quite interesting is how she totntet out— quite interesting is how she pointed out that the trigger varntngs— pointed out that the trigger warnings that— pointed out that the trigger warnings that are selected are not my— warnings that are selected are not onty trot— warnings that are selected are not only plot spoilers , which i not only plot spoilers, which i thought— not only plot spoilers, which i thought vs— not only plot spoilers, which i thought a— not only plot spoilers, which i thought was a brilliant point, but thought was a brilliant point, tut ttso— thought was a brilliant point, but also that— thought was a brilliant point, but also that they are clearly what— but also that they are clearly what ts— but also that they are clearly what is affecting— but also that they are clearly what is affecting the person vho-s— what is affecting the person who's writing— what is affecting the person who's writing the trigger varntng— who's writing the trigger varntng. you— who's writing the trigger warning, you know , like so you warning, you know, like so you soutt— warning, you know, like so you soutt hove— warning, you know, like so you soutt have t— warning, you know, like so you could have a cookbook and if the vegetartan— could have a cookbook and if the vegettrttn ts— could have a cookbook and if the vegetarian is the— could have a cookbook and if the vegetarian is the person who is going— vegetarian is the person who is gotng to— vegetarian is the person who is gotng to vrtte— vegetarian is the person who is going to write the— vegetarian is the person who is going to write the trigger varntngs— going to write the trigger warnings warning brutalisation of cannibalism _ warnings warning brutalisation of cannibalism ,— warnings warning brutalisation of cannibalism , meat and all of of cannibalism, meat and all of thts.— of cannibalism, meat and all of thts. ant— of cannibalism, meat and all of thts. ant tt— of cannibalism, meat and all of this. and if they're _ of cannibalism, meat and all of this. and if they're a vegan, forget— this. and if they're a vegan, torget tt— this. and if they're a vegan, forget it. there— this. and if they're a vegan, forget it. there isn't even a soottoot.— forget it. there isn't even a cookbook. oh,— forget it. there isn't even a cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook toesn-t— cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook toesn-t evtst— cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook doesn't exist . _ cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook doesn't exist . what— cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook doesn't exist . ettore. r:r2r cookbook. oh, yes, the cookbook doesn't exist . r:r2r doesn't exist. what do you think about this, bruce? i there about this, bruce? i mean, there was trigger was another trigger warning appued applied to julius caesar saying it elements it contained elements of a murder that there might be a murder that there might be a murder i think most murder in this. i think most people know that, don't they?

going know what? going in? do you know what? i voutt— going in? do you know what? i voutt-to— going in? do you know what? i would-to know— going in? do you know what? i would-to know how- c10; 7 do you know what? i would to know how many would like to know how many teotte— would like to know how many people complained people have complained to sonstttute— people have complained to- constitute _yes. constitute this happening? yes. hov— constitute this happening? yes.- how—utset how many people have been upset and how many people have been upset ant-many— how many people have been upset ant-many teotte-s— how many people have been upset and many people's lives have and how many people's lives have teen— and how many people's lives have teen rutnet— and how many people's lives have teen rutnet ty— and how many people's lives have been ruined by reading a book tesause— been ruined by reading a book because no, seriously, maybe i om — because no, seriously, maybe i om t— because no, seriously, maybe i om t ton-t— because no, seriously, maybe i om t ton-t nett— because no, seriously, maybe i am i don't read myself, but i teet— am i don't read myself, but i test tt-s— am i don't read myself, but i test tt-s t— am i don't read myself, but i feel it's a cult— am i don't read myself, but i feel it's a cult and i want to move away from _ feel it's a cult and i want to move away from that. however, my totnt— move away from that. however, my totnt voutt— move away from that. however, my totnt voutt te— move away from that. however, my point would be there— move away from that. however, my point would be there is an off svttsh— point would be there is an off svttsh .— point would be there is an off switch , metaphorical and literal switch, metaphorical and literal vtth— switch, metaphorical and literal vtth everythtng— switch, metaphorical and literal with everything. and why can't teotte— with everything. and why can't teotte emttoy— with everything. and why can't people employ that across the tooth — people employ that across the totrte vou— people employ that across the board? you see,— people employ that across the board? you see, my- people employ that across the board? /r2r. g : board? you see, my guess would be that no one has complained at all. no one really asked for this. but who comes up with this stuff? well, is it coleen nolan to tetent— stuff? well, is it coleen nolan to defend from _ 7 well, is it coleen nolan to defend from backlash ? it to defend from this backlash? it soutt. — to defend from this backlash? it soutt. t— to defend from this backlash? it soutt. t hove— to defend from this backlash? it could. i love you.— to defend from this backlash? it could. i love you. honestly. ttease— could. i love you. honestly. tteose. tt— could. i love you. honestly. please. it could— could. i love you. honestly. please. it could well be. but that-s— please. it could well be. but thats a— please. it could well be. but thats a very— please. it could well be. but that's a very interesting point. people aren't asking for it and it's happening anyway. but that's that's why it's- g but that's that's why it's also the i that's that's why it's also the t-sogntttve— that's that's why it's also the i cognitive behavioural i mean, cognitive behavioural thertttsts— i mean, cognitive behavioural therapists—the. therapists also say it's the worst— therapists also say it's the worst thtng— therapists also say it's the worst thing you- therapists also say it's the worst thing you can do when someone actually suffering someone is actually suffering trom— someone is actually suffering from—shield- someone is actually sufferingi from—shield them from trauma is to shield them trom— from trauma is to shield them from-reference— from trauma is to shield them from reference thing from any reference to the thing thor— from any reference to the thing that—theyl from any reference to the thing. that—they satt that traumatised them. they said that-s— that traumatised them. they said mars—worst- that traumatised them. they said that's worst thing that traumatised them. they said th.d0. worst thing that traumatised them. they said th.do. so worst thing that traumatised them. they said th.do. so it worst thing that traumatised them. they said th.do. so it doesn't worst thing that traumatised them. they said th.do. so it doesn't even thing that traumatised them. they said th.do. so it doesn't even have| to do. so it doesn't even have a grounding scientific grounding in scientific research. but does that not

research. but then does that not go research. but then does that not fro-to— research. but then does that not ge-ee rememerb— research. but then does that not go-to remember-can't| go back to remember the i can't remember—years- go back to remember the i can't remember years ago, go back to remember the i can't- remember_years ago, but go back to remember the i can't renchildren years ago, but go back to remember the i can't renchildren , years ago, but go back to remember the i can't renchildren , you years ago, but go back to remember the i can't renchildren , you know, ars ago, but go back to remember the i can't renchildren , you know, there |o, but all children, you know, there had— all children, you know, there had to— all children, you know, there had to be— all children, you know, there had to be.race- all children, you know, there had to be race winner in an had to be no race winner in an egg— had to be no race winner in an egg-spoon— had to be no race winner in an egg-speen-er- had to be no race winner in an egg spoon or whatever . egg and spoon race or whatever. yes,— egg and spoon race or whatever. veelehneren— egg and spoon race or whatever. yes,.children-to- egg and spoon race or whatever. yes, children to achieve yes, all children had to achieve the yes, all children had to achieve eee—knew,- yes, all children had to achievei the—know, there the same thing. you know, there are the same thing. you know, there ere—nee— the same thing. you know, there are—life that's- are elements of life that's going— are elements of life that's geing ee— are elements of life that's going to make— are elements of life that's going to make you feel a bit uncomfortable.— going to make you feel a bit uncomfortable. will . uncomfortable. yes well, it's when— uncomfortable. yes well, it's. when—eee when they start doing pass the parcel on on every layer had a prize. that's when that's prize. that's when we that's when started when society started going downhill that on. downhill from that point on. anyway okay. that's that's enough for this week. i think we've covered this pretty well. but the we're going but after the break, we're going to through social to be going through our social sensations you know, the sensations, you know, the various things gone various things that have gone viral. just case viral. this week just in case you don't go you missed them. so don't go anywhere a few minutes time anywhere for a few minutes time

on mark dolan tonight nigel biggar, - on mark dolan tonight nigel bigger, tep— . on mark dolan tonight nigel biggar, top historian— on mark dolan tonight nigel biggar, top historian and author oflbrand— biggar, top historian and author oflbrand new— biggar, top historian and author of brand new book which pushes of a brand new book which pushes beek— of a brand new book which pushes beck en— of a brand new book which pushes back on be— of a brand new book which pushes back on the demonisation of the bbbeb— back on the demonisation of the bbbeb bmbbe— back on the demonisation of the british empire .— back on the demonisation of the british empire . we've got british empire. we've got bebbeeb— british empire. we've got political-from . political punditry from annunziata_ political punditry from annunziata rees—mogg, emma bbmeu— annunziata rees—mogg, emma burbeu ebb— annunziata rees—mogg, emma burnell and former tory mp neil

bareb— burnell and former tory mp neil bebeb een— burnell and former tory mp neil parish can reform— burnell and former tory mp neil parish can reform uk influenced the next— parish can reform uk influenced the next election?— parish can reform uk influenced the next election? i'll be ebbing— the next election? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, ann widdecombe.— asking tonight's newsmaker, ann widdecombe. plus— asking tonight's newsmaker, ann widdecombe. plus lady colin cembbeu— widdecombe. plus lady colin cembbeu eb— widdecombe. plus lady colin campbell on the— widdecombe. plus lady colin campbell on the royals. and it might— campbell on the royals. and it might babe— campbell on the royals. and it mbgbb babe eb— campbell on the royals. and it might take at ten— campbell on the royals. and it might take at ten i'll be beebbe— might take at ten i'll be dealing with_ might take at ten i'll be dealing with the overpaid stars at dealing with the overpaid stars eb-bbc. — dealing with the overpaid stars aim we— dealing with the overpaid stars at-bbc. it'stime- dealing with the overpaid stars at bbc. it's time they took at the bbc. it's time they took at the bbc. it's time they took a pay— at the bbc. it's time they took a bay ebb— at the bbc. it's time they took a bay ebb bee— at the bbc. it's time they took a pay cut like the— at the bbc. it's time they took a pay cut like the rest of us. were— a pay cut like the rest of us. were me— a pay cut like the rest of us. we're live from _ a pay cut like the rest of us. we're live from .— a pay cut like the rest of us. we're live from . nine martin we're live from. nine martin beebb— we're live from. nine martin beebb bee— we're live from. nine martin bashir free speech nation. so every— bashir free speech nation. so every week— bashir free speech nation. so every week we— bashir free speech nation. so every week we dedicate- bashir free speech nation. so every week we dedicate this part of the show to the world of social media. those things that beve— social media. those things that have gone— social media. those things that have gone viral.— social media. those things that have gone viral. so— f “cir: those things that have gone viral. so we're going to have gone viral. so we're going be errr— have gone viral. so we're going be ererr wrrb— have gone viral. so we're going to start with this— have gone viral. so we're going to start with this one. this is aberr— to start with this one. this is ebebr rbe— to start with this one. this is about the trans— to start with this one. this is about the trans ballet dancer bem— about the trans ballet dancer from be— about the trans ballet dancer from the royal— about the trans ballet dancer from the royal ballet. and there was an interesting— from the royal ballet. and there was an interesting clip of let's beve— was an interesting clip of let's have _arkwek— was an interesting clip of let's have anyway you'll have a look. anyway you'll see wher— have a look. anyway you'll see wberlmeeb— have a look. anyway you'll see whatimean.the_ have a look. anyway you'll see what mean the trans dancer what i mean of the trans dancer are— what i mean of the trans dancer are e— what i mean of the trans dancer are e kerne— what i mean of the trans dancer and a young woman doing the same reubrre— and a young woman doing the same rebrbre. cer— and a young woman doing the same rebrbre. can we— and a young woman doing the same routine. can we see— and a young woman doing the same routine. can we see this clip .

routine. can we see this clip. newe— routine. can we see this clip. nerve k— routine. can we see this clip. nerve a ker— routine. can we see this clip. now? a lot of— routine. can we see this clip. now? a lot of people have used rbre— now? a lot of people have used be re— now? a lot of people have used be re eorr— now? a lot of people have used this to sort of— now? a lot of people have used this to sort of say— now? a lot of people have used this to sort of say it's really referr— this to sort of say it's really bererr rber— this to sort of say it's really unfair that this— this to sort of say it's really unfair that this person has been passed— unfair that this person has been passed rbre— unfair that this person has been passed this exam,— unfair that this person has been passed this exam, um, when other baker-r.— passed this exam, um, when other women haven't. but— passed this exam, um, when other women haven't. but actually rber-e— women haven't. but actually rber-e rber-e— women haven't. but actually that's that's slight misreporting. this wasn't the lweeb-r— misreporting. this wasn't the. case. .wasn't-getting case. it wasn't someone getting rere— case. it wasn't someone getting intole— case. it wasn't someone getting krone-rr— case. it wasn't someone getting rwrele-rr wee- case. it wasn't someone getting into a it was someone into an a school. it was someone as into an a school. it was someone eelbebbw— into an a school. it was someone eelbebbw rekrwe— into an a school. it was someone aslhobby taking an— into an a school. it was someone as hobby taking an exam. and as a hobby taking an exam. and rber— as a hobby taking an exam. and that-reasonable- as a hobby taking an exam. and that reasonable me . but that seems reasonable to me. but it's that seems reasonable to me. but ire—brew— that seems reasonable to me. but rr-e—rber, wew- that seems reasonable to me. but it's—that, you know. it's quite clear that, you know , rbe— it's quite clear that, you know , be women— it's quite clear that, you know , the woman is— it's quite clear that, you know , the woman is better at it. the young— , the woman is better at it. the youn9--— , the woman is better at it. the young-- wher— , the woman is better at it. the young-- wberlwew- , the woman is better at it. the young . what you think? young girl. what do you think? oh, young girl. what do you think? ob-bwr— young girl. what do you think? ob-ber were— oh, yeah, but we're now comparing two people dancing. yes . like so i don't see it as yes. like so i don't see it as ee— yes. like so i don't see it as ee eorr— yes. like so i don't see it as ee bore of— yes. like so i don't see it as ee bore of e— yes. like so i don't see it as as sort of a gender issue. i see it as sort of a gender issue. i see b ee— as sort of a gender issue. i see b ee just— as sort of a gender issue. i see it as just because— as sort of a gender issue. i see it as just because it's a hobby. kee- — it as just because it's a hobby. kee- arre— it as just because it's a hobby. kee- are we— it as just because it's a hobby. yes. and it's two— it as just because it's a hobby. yes. and it's two people just eorr— yes. and it's two people just bore of— yes. and it's two people just sort of dancing— yes. and it's two people just sort of dancing .— yes. and it's two people just sort of dancing . yeah, it was sort of dancing. yeah, it was a bit sort of dancing. yeah, it was a be wererr. — sort of dancing. yeah, it was a be wererr. r— sort of dancing. yeah, it was a bit unfair. i thought- sort of dancing. yeah, it was a bit unfair. g bit unfair. i thought the way that this was sort of people were sort of piling on saying, oh, an outrageous that this oh, it's an outrageous that this person an exam. person could pass an exam. clearly it clearly not as good, but it doesn't anyone that doesn't really do anyone that much harm, does it? what was the exam _was for a ballet- exam for? it was for a ballet exam run-royal- exam for? it was for a ballet exam run royal academy, exam run by the royal academy, but-represented - exam run by the royal academy, but-represented as- exam run by the royal academy, but represented as coming but it was represented as coming rere— but it was represented as coming were rhe— but it was represented as coming were we wew— but it was represented as coming into the, you know,— but it was represented as coming into the, you know, of the into the, you know, part of the wewbe. — into the, you know, part of the wewbe. .rber—

into the, you know, part of the troupe. .that really- into the, you know, part of the troupe. ”cane c troupe. and that really wasn't what it was, you know. right. but really know you but i really don't know what you weer— but i really don't know what you weer-re— but i really don't know what you weer-re eew— but i really don't know what you want-to say. the— but i really don't know what you want to say. the whole thing want me to say. the whole thing is_unfortunately.- is thrown me, unfortunately. i rbewebr— is thrown me, unfortunately. i rbewebr-ewrre- thought you were quite an ebebweee— thought you were quite an aficionado comes aficionado when it comes to bekker. — aficionado when it comes to ballet. .like_ aficionado when it comes to ballet. like dance. ballet. i'd like a dance. eerwbrew.— ballet. i'd like a dance. genuinely. i— ballet. i'd like a dance. genuinely. i do. for man of my genuinely. i do. for a man of my ere— genuinely. i do. for a man of my eremewel— genuinely. i do. for a man of my eremewel wew— genuinely. i do. for a man of my size.imove very-i'm- genuinely. i do. for a man of my size. move very i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my sbut move very i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my s but yeah; very i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my s but yeah; ve|i i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my sbut yeah.a ve|i don't i'm sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my sbut yeah.a ve|i don't see sure genuinely. i do. for a man of my sbut yeah.a ve|i don't see the; . but yeah. no, i don't see the webberw— . but yeah. no, i don't see the brebkem. r— . but yeah. no, i don't see the brebkem. r eew— . but yeah. no, i don't see the problem. i say if— . but yeah. no, i don't see the problem. i say if people want to were— problem. i say if people want to were erre— problem. i say if people want to dance and pass— problem. i say if people want to dance and pass an— problem. i say if people want to dance and pass an exam, i think rbere-e— dance and pass an exam, i think rbere-e weree— dance and pass an exam, i think there's worse things going on in there's worse things going on in rbe-rbrrk— there's worse things going on in the-think there- the world. i think there probably anyway, next the world. i think there prone've anyway, next the world. i think there prone've got nyway, next the world. i think there prone've got this|y, next the world. i think there prone've got this one. next the world. i think there prone've got this one. n ist up, we've got this one. this is the writer non—binary model the writer and non—binary model jamie talking about jamie windust talking about pride. their pride. now this is their celebration in there, but i think what predominantly tends to is it's cis, white, to happen is it's cis, white, gay they're cis, white, gay men and they're cis, white, female friends. just kind of being— female friends. just kind of having ing— female friends. just kind of having ing fun,— female friends. just kind of having ing fun, but- : just kind of having ing fun, but not really rbrwkrwe— having ing fun, but not really thinking about— having ing fun, but not really thinking about how that might feel thinking about how that might reek rer— thinking about how that might feel for other— thinking about how that might feel for other people. and rber-e— feel for other people. and we rber— feel for other people. and that's that space. so this is a wew— that's that space. so this is a very odd one. so complaining that basically pride parades are too, too many white people, too many gay people, i mean, and everyone's having fun. is that is that a problem ? was the first is that a problem? was the first rbrwe— is that a problem? was the first rbrwe ebewr— is that a problem? was the first thing about dancing,— , was the first thing about dancing, because i'd

like thing about dancing, because i'd bke re— thing about dancing, because i'd bke re 90— thing about dancing, because i'd bke re ge beek— thing about dancing, because i'd like to go back to— thing about dancing, because i'd like to go back to that . i don't like to go back to that. i don't knew— like to go back to that. i don't knew who— like to go back to that. i don't know who this— like to go back to that. i don't know who this person do you know we— know who this person do you know we r— know who this person do you know we r we— know who this person do you know what i do understand ? and from what i do understand? and from the what i do understand? and from we borer— what i do understand? and from we power or— what i do understand? and from the point of some— what i do understand? and from the point of some aim of my gay rrrewee. — the point of some aim of my gay rrrewee. se— the point of some aim of my gay friends. so for— the point of some aim of my gay friends. so for example, a breed— friends. so for example, a friend or— friends. so for example, a friend of mine,- friends. so for example, a friend of mine, glenn, who lives in friend of mine, glenn, who lives be brighton— friend of mine, glenn, who lives in brighton, had— friend of mine, glenn, who lives in brighton, had said a friend of in brighton, had said a friend or bere— in brighton, had said a friend or here rber— in brighton, had said a friend of hers that is— in brighton, had said a friend of hers that is a— in brighton, had said a friend of hers that is a point to this. are— of hers that is a point to this. are rbere— of hers that is a point to this. and there was— of hers that is a point to this. and there was an— of hers that is a point to this. and there was an over aim ekerrebke— and there was an over aim excitable-night- and there was an over aim excitable night and one of excitable hen night and one of were — excitable hen night and one of were bk— excitable hen night and one of them bit into— excitable hen night and one of them bit into his— excitable hen night and one of them bit into his mate right now een-r— them bit into his mate right now ebb-r knew— them bit into his mate right now ebb-r know why— them bit into his mate right now don't know why but they bit into his don't know why but they bit into we were— don't know why but they bit into bre mere erre— don't know why but they bit into his mate and i— don't know why but they bit into his mate and i think a lot of gay— his mate and i think a lot of gay pewte— his mate and i think a lot of gay people are— his mate and i think a lot of gay people are like okay we een-r— gay people are like okay we week—ee- gay people are like okay we don't—as many. gay people are like okay we- don't_as many places don't really have as many places we— don't really have as many places we we— don't really have as many places we we eew— don't really have as many places we we 90— don't really have as many places that we can go and— don't really have as many places that we can go and we can feel eere— that we can go and we can feel eere rr— that we can go and we can feel eere b wee— that we can go and we can feel safe if yes-when - that we can go and we can feel safe if yes when they're safe if yes and when they're being— safe if yes and when they're being infiltrated by people that are being infiltrated by people that mewbe— being infiltrated by people that are maybe coming to bite you are maybe coming in to bite you or wherever.— are maybe coming in to bite you or whatever. but— are maybe coming in to bite you or whatever. but i— are maybe coming in to bite you or whatever. but i think if beebke— or whatever. but i think if beebke ee— or whatever. but i think if beebke e— or whatever. but i think if people are a pride parade are being— people are a pride parade are bewwe-rww- people are a pride parade are bewwe-rww ,- people are a pride parade are having-fun , then. having too much fun, then i weeke— having too much fun, then i would .thought- having too much fun, then i. would .thought-would having too much fun, then i woul

too many gay people at this event. think event. and, you know, i think it's kind of just gone a bit too far, it? well, seems far, hasn't it? well, it seems a little strange because the pride event, take that event event, let's take that event specifically, is about sort of saying, are gay saying, no, there are gay people, people exist. people, gay people exist. they've a lot of struggle they've had a lot of struggle erre— they've had a lot of struggle ere rbew— they've had a lot of struggle ere wew-re— they've had a lot of struggle and they-to be- they've had a lot of struggle and they to be there and and they want to be there and say,— and they want to be there and saylwe-m— and they want to be there and say,-we're here.- and they want to be there and say, we're here. but like, say, no, we're here. but like, why— say, no, we're here. but like, why-vou— say, no, we're here. but like, wbwlwew-wewr- say, no, we're here. but like, why you want people to why do you not want people to ewbberr—weul support your cause? well, i rbrrk— support your cause? well, i think people just like to think it's people just like to problematise and say problematise things and say that everything is an issue. but then there's organiser over there's any pride organiser over there's any pride organiser over the world now have the world now going to have to do demographic kind do some kind of demographic kind of please. of totalling maybe, please. certain people. i don't know. no certain people. i don't know. we-erwwew— certain people. i don't know. we-ebwwew .— certain people. i don't know. no-anyway , this- certain people. i don't know. no-anyway , this tweetl certain people. i don't know. - no-anyway , this tweet went no sense anyway, this tweet went viral this i thought this viral this week. i thought this was quite interesting and this was quite interesting and this was and it said, six was a tweet and it said, our six year old us a note. his year old handed us a note. his teacher had called my wife and i in an emergency meeting in for an emergency meeting thing. son he thing. we asked our son if he had he said she had any idea why. he said she didn't like a drawing. i did. and you see the drawing of and you can see the drawing of the there could the family there could potentially disturbing. he potentially look disturbing. he went in the next day. we went in the next day. his teacher pulled the next day. his teacher pulled the out said, the next day. his teacher pulled tiasked out said, the next day. his teacher pulled tiasked him out said, the next day. his teacher pulled tiasked him to out said, the next day. his teacher pulled tiasked him to 0 his said, the next day. his teacher pulled tiasked him to 0 his familyi, i asked him to draw his family and this . oh, would you and he drew this. oh, would you mind at all. my

mind explaining? not at all. my wife vacation , wife said, family vacation, snorkelling off the bahamas . oh snorkelling off the bahamas. oh no . but i suppose you know , we no. but i suppose you know, we when i was a teacher, i think if i'd have got that, i might have called the parents. and i think. i think it's a reasonable misunderstanding. i think the child just isn't very good at art. do knowi child just isn't very good at art. do know i love the fact art. do you know i love the fact it art. do you know i love the fact rr eewkew-r— art. do you know i love the fact rr eewkew-r be— art. do you know i love the fact it couldn't be any— do you know i love the fact it couldn't be any more of a werrreee— it couldn't be any more of a waitrose answer?- it couldn't be any more of a waitrose answer? snorkelling wee— waitrose answer? snorkelling weer-wer— waitrose answer? snorkelling we we ger— waitrose answer? snorkelling he's just got joan collins wrrrrerr— he's just got joan collins written all— he's just got joan collins written all over it , doesn't it? written all over it, doesn't it? beeb. — written all over it, doesn't it? beeb. r— written all over it, doesn't it? beeb. r weer— written all over it, doesn't it? yeah. i mean i— written all over it, doesn't it? yeah. i mean i can see with the brewe— yeah. i mean i can see with the were wbw— yeah. i mean i can see with the were why you— yeah. i mean i can see with the picture why you might . i thought picture why you might. i thought rbew— picture why you might. i thought rbew ebb— picture why you might. i thought rbew ekk kine— picture why you might. i thought they all kind of— picture why you might. i thought they all kind of looked like the refer—r— they all kind of looked like the eiffel—i thought- eiffel tower and i thought rbew-e— eiffel tower and i thought. rbew-e—rrewee eiffel tower and i thought- they'd_france or they'd maybe been to france or wberewer. — they'd maybe been to france or whatever. _clearly- they'd maybe been to france or whatever. clearly not. whatever. and, but clearly not. rbew-we— whatever. and, but clearly not. they've snorkelling, they've been snorkelling, brew-we— they've been snorkelling, they've snorkel they've been snorkelling,- they've _snorkel ing. they've just been snorkel ing. it they've just been snorkel ing. rr re. — they've just been snorkel ing. rr be. r— they've just been snorkel ing. rr be. r reek— they've just been snorkel ing. it is. i feel sorry— they've just been snorkel ing. it is. i feel sorry-the- they've just been snorkel ing. it is. i feel sorry-the kid.- it is. i feel sorry for the kid. a child can't draw that a lucky child can't draw that has holiday. what did you has lovely holiday. what did you rbrwk— has lovely holiday. what did you rbrwklrbre— has lovely holiday. what did you think-this, diane? _ has lovely holiday. what did you think-this, diane? ithink- think of this, diane? i think ree— think of this, diane? i think it's hilarious because my sister when she was younger, bless her, she a picture fireworks she drew a picture of fireworks night she drew all the night and she drew all the rockets , but she drew on rockets, but she drew them on the floor as well as in the sky. but the way that she drew the rockets was in one swift motion . looked i'll be

. and it looked like, i'll be honest, of phalluses . honest, a field of phalluses. oh, and she sort of brought oh, and when she sort of brought it and they were all glittery and it looked fabulous, but at it and they were all glittery and same ked fabulous, but at it and they were all glittery and same time abulous, but at it and they were all glittery and same time ,3ulous, but at it and they were all glittery and same time , nowrs, but at it and they were all glittery and same time , nowrs, bicall the same time, now you call social services point , social services at that point, don't you? what are these? well , right ? , they're the rockets, right? yes, yes, yes. it's a minefield. ru— yes, yes, yes. it's a minefield. r-kk reu— yes, yes, yes. it's a minefield. r-kk rekk wew— yes, yes, yes. it's a minefield. i'll tell you that. _ yes, yes, yes. it's a minefield. i'll tell you that. anyway, this is i'll tell you that. anyway, this be we— i'll tell you that. anyway, this be we beer— i'll tell you that. anyway, this is the last part— i'll tell you that. anyway, this is the last part of— i'll tell you that. anyway, this is the last part of the show where— is the last part of the show wbere we— is the last part of the show where we talk— is the last part of the show where we talk through your wwrrberee— where we talk through your unfiltered dilemmas. so do rbewke— unfiltered dilemmas. so do rbewke wew— unfiltered dilemmas. so do thanks very much. you often send in thanks very much. you often send be wew— thanks very much. you often send in your problems. _ thanks very much. you often send in your problems. dilemma in your problems. this dilemma eewe—week- in your problems. this dilemma came _tracy has. came in from tracy. tracy has eeie,— came in from tracy. tracy has eerelberrwer— came in from tracy. tracy has said,-partner has- came in from tracy. tracy has said, partner has always been said, my partner has always been in said, my partner has always been rw—reeewrw- said, my partner has always been rw—reeewrw bel in good shape, but recently he bee— in good shape, but recently he bee-ker— in good shape, but recently he bee-kw er— in good shape, but recently he has-lot of weight. i in good shape, but recently he has lot of weight. i has gained a lot of weight. i een-r— has gained a lot of weight. i ebb-r mire— has gained a lot of weight. i ebb-r mrwe e— has gained a lot of weight. i don't mind a dad bod, but are we eerrbre— don't mind a dad bod, but are we eerrbee merrier— don't mind a dad bod, but are we getting married ?_ don't mind a dad bod, but are we getting married ? we are getting getting married? we are getting merrier—rewr- getting married? we are getting married don't want to married soon and i don't want to merry— married soon and i don't want to merry e— married soon and i don't want to merry e rer— married soon and i don't want to marry a fat husband . do i? tell marry a fat husband. do i? tell mm— marry a fat husband. do i? tell mm bee— marry a fat husband. do i? tell mm me be— marry a fat husband. do i? tell him he's too fat— marry a fat husband. do i? tell him he's too fat ?_ marry a fat husband. do i? tell him he's too fat ? this is him he's too fat? this is ewreeewere — him he's too fat? this is outrageous, you're fat outrageous, tracy. you're fat ebemme— outrageous, tracy. you're fat ebemme yew— outrageous, tracy. you're fat shaming your partner. diane. any member— shaming your partner. diane. any thoughts? well— shaming your partner. diane. any thoughts? well diane's actually bombed— thoughts? well diane's actually berrmee by— thoughts? well diane's actually horrified by this.— thoughts? well diane's actually horrified by this. yeah she's rreey. — horrified by this. yeah she's tracy. seems— horrified by this. yeah she's tracy. seems very- horrified by this. yeah she's tracy. f tracy. seems very callous. well, i wouldn't— tracy. seems very callous. well, i wouldn't marry- tracy. f well, i wouldn't marry tracy. i mmk— well, i wouldn't marry tracy. i mmk mere— well, i wouldn't marry tracy. i think that's the— well, i wouldn't marry tracy. i think that's the answer to this mer— think that's the answer to this mm or— think that's the answer to this one. first of all,— think that's the answer to this one. first of all, what- think that's the answer to this one. first of all, what does tracy look like? yeah biscuits is tracy had recently. that's

the question we're asking now. i speak as someone that was 21 stone last year and down at 16 i've got two stone, two gold. no, no, no . you must never clap no, no, no. you must never clap for weight loss. now apparently that's bad thing . i that's it's a bad thing. i learned a podcast during learned that on a podcast during the someone had the fringe from someone that had a gastric sleeve. but a stomach gastric sleeve. but anyway, we'll move on. my point is that apparently you're not allowed to see the world so allowed to see the world fat, so long lorraine kelly got me long shot. lorraine kelly got me a deal with a diet company right? names and because right? no names and because i don't think we're allowed to advertise and i remember being on zoom these people that on a zoom with these people that did the diet and they were like, it's amazing. said the word it's amazing. you said the word fat because you're not allowed it's amazing. you said the word fat be

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across northern scotland where here a touch here we could just see a touch of so most of us, of frost. so for most of us, it's going to be a bit of a grey, damp start to the new working week. some and working week. some spits and spots . spots of rain in places. sunshine from word go though sunshine from the word go though for of northern scotland for parts of northern scotland and for northern and it does improve for northern ireland the morning ireland throughout the morning and into parts and then eventually into parts of east anglia and of lincolnshire. east anglia and the england. as we the south—east of england. as we go through course of the go through the course of the afternoon. where we do see afternoon. so where we do see the sunshine feeling quite warm, temperatures 18, temperatures reaching 17, 18, possibly degrees as and then possibly 19 degrees as and then that sunshine will spread its way a little bit further into the midlands as we go into the evening. sunshine evening. so some late sunshine here, the further west you here, but the further west you are hanging the cloud for are hanging on to the cloud for the majority of monday evening . the majority of monday evening. and then overnight really a mixture cloud clear mixture of cloud and clear spells the country . the spells across the country. the cloud picking up at times, cloud again picking up at times, especially across scotland to produce spits and spots of produce a few spits and spots of rain. again, quite murky rain. and again, quite murky across some high ground of england and wales. temperatures is falling to around 5 to 6 degrees for most towns and cities. so then on tuesday , a cities. so then on tuesday, a bit of a grey, murky start again

across some central parts of the country. but the sunshine will quickly get to work on that cloud plenty of cloud on tuesday. so plenty of sunshine as we go into the afternoon and in the sunshine feeling pleasantly warm, although mentioned the although as i mentioned in the north sea, it will feel pretty chilly are living along chilly if you are living along that coastline wednesday, thursday, similar, thursday, pretty similar, although a risk of a shower in the .

three more political interviews with a difference this evening. first up, it's labour's luke pollard. as an mp , i wasn't pollard. as an mp, i wasn't prepared for a mass shooting like this. i don't think anyone is like this. i don't think anyone be comme— like this. i don't think anyone be coming up— like this. i don't think anyone

be coming up ,— e i don't think anyone is coming up, energy minister erebem— is coming up, energy minister graham stuart— is coming up, energy minister graham stuart . _ is coming up, energy minister graham stuart . f graham stuart. but basically i did what i was told to do, which is to say it wasn't a confidence vote after it had been sent out earlier that it was. so it did lead to and contribute to a sense of chaos. coming up, conservative mp joe gideon. the challenge has been that- conservative mp joe gideon. the challenge has been that if- ii 37�* c, 3" the challenge has been that if you put challenge has been that if you bwr beebke— challenge has been that if you bwr beebke mre— challenge has been that if you put people into a— challenge has been that if you put people into a hotel without the put people into a hotel without me rrek— put people into a hotel without the risk forces— put people into a hotel without the risk forces and in an area wbere— the risk forces and in an area wbere we— the risk forces and in an area where we are strapped for risk rereee— where we are strapped for risk rereee re— where we are strapped for risk forces to help— where we are strapped for risk forces to help the— where we are strapped for risk forces to help the people who are forces to help the people who ekreeey— forces to help the people who are already there _ forces to help the people who are already there and struggling ,rbem— are already there and struggling ,rbem yew-re— are already there and struggling , then you're going to have a bever— , then you're going to have a kewek er— , then you're going to have a level of discontent. all that emer— level of discontent. all that errer yew— level of discontent. all that after your news— level of discontent. all that after your news .- level of discontent. all that after your news . e: " g after your news. good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom. the health secretary has urged the royal college of nursing to reckon sidor planned industrial action at the end of the month. in a letter to the unions leader, this morning,