late . it's 9:30 a.m. l: late. it's 9:30 a.m. good morning— late. it's 9:30 a.m. good morning and welcome to the point on gb news with me andrew pierce. i'm bev turner. good morning. so rishi sunak says that adults who can't do basic

maths should feel embarrassed . maths should feel embarrassed. that's a bit much as prepare to launch— that's a bit much as prepare to launch an— that's a bit much as prepare to launch an overhaul of education, he-s— launch an overhaul of education, he-s going— launch an overhaul of education, he-s going to— launch an overhaul of education, he's going to argue— launch an overhaul of education, he's going to argue that an anti maths— he's going to argue that an anti maths mindset— he's going to argue that an anti maths mindset and not last 13 years— maths mindset and not last 13 years of— maths mindset and not last 13 years of tary— maths mindset and not last 13 years of tory government is damaging— years of tory government is damaging ahe— years of tory government is damaging the economy as he thought. — damaging the economy as he aaaagaa. tha— damaging the economy as he thought. the more- damaging the economy as he thought. f thought. the more maths teachers and the royal college of nursing is going ahead with that two day strike over the may bank holiday, i think that could be a strategic mistake. 65 strategic mistake. yeah, 65 people custody after people are in custody after animal activists broke animal rights activists broke onto the grand national on saturday. the delayed the start of saturday. the delayed the start af ahe— saturday. the delayed the start of the race— saturday. the delayed the start of the race, of— saturday. the delayed the start of the race, of course,- of the race, of course, activists— of the race, of course, activists from - of the race, of course, activists from animal rising are calling— activists from animal rising are calling fea— activists from animal rising are calling for jump— activists from animal rising are calling forjump racing to be calling for jump racing to be banned— calling for jump racing to be banned after— calling for jump racing to be banned after three horses died at aimee.— banned after three horses died at aintree. we're— banned after three horses died at aintree. we're going to be discussing— at aintree. we're going to be discussing that. _ at aintree. we're going to be discussing that. and the queen censore— discussing that. and the queen consort, that's— discussing that. and the queen consort, that's camilla to most of ae— consort, that's camilla to most of as was— consort, that's camilla to most of as hara— consort, that's camilla to most of us was hurt by— consort, that's camilla to most of us was hurt by the duke of use— of us was hurt by the duke of sussex, branding— of us was hurt by the duke of sussex, branding her a villain ana— sussex, branding her a villain and-wuss- sussex, branding her a villain and-witch in- sussex, branding her a villain and-witch in his- sussex, branding her a villain and witch in his book and a wicked witch in his book spare— and a wicked witch in his book spare .— and a wicked witch in his book spare . usa— and a wicked witch in his book spare . not really— and a wicked witch in his book spare . not really a shock, is spare. not really a shock, is it, spare. not really a shock, is u, that— spare. not really a shock, is u, that she— spare. not really a shock, is it, that she was— spare. not really a shock, is it, that she was hurt by that actually— it, that she was hurt by that actually called— it, that she was hurt by that actually called her a wicked saepmeuaeu — actually called her a wicked stepmother, not— actually called her a wicked stepmother, not a wicked witch, but you— stepmother, not a wicked witch, sue you knew— stepmother, not a wicked witch, but you know what i mean. she's aura— but you know what i mean. she's uuu again— but you know what i mean. she's nun again nau— but you know what i mean. she's hurt again now. well done,

ananen. — hurt again now. well done, ananen. -uen- hurt again now. well done, andrew. -let us- hurt again now. well done, andrew. -let us what andrew. right. let us know what you annu— andrew. right. let us know what you annk an— andrew. right. let us know what you think on all— andrew. right. let us know what you think on all of— andrew. right. let us know what you think on all of that. gb views— you think on all of that. gb views an— you think on all of that. gb views at gbnews.uk is email views at gbnews.uk is the email address—neve- views at gbnews.uk is the emailj address—we've also views at gbnews.uk is the emailj add a ss_we've also views at gbnews.uk is the email adda couple we've also views at gbnews.uk is the email adda couple of we've also views at gbnews.uk is the email adda couple of great we've also got a couple of great panellists,- got a couple of great panellists, tonnes stories panellists, tonnes of stories nan— panellists, tonnes of stories nan-nann— panellists, tonnes of stories from -front-of- panellists, tonnes of stories from front of the panellists, tonnes of stories- from -front-of the paper from the front page of the paper as neu- — from the front page of the paper as neu- nun— from the front page of the paper as well. but first— from the front page of the paper as well. but first of all, nee-s— as well. but first of all, nene-s youn— as well. but first of all, here's your news with bethany . here's your news with bethany. hi. here's your news with bethany. nn ease— here's your news with bethany. hi. good morning— here's your news with bethany. hi. good morning to you. c hi. good morning to you. it is een — hi. good morning to you. it is een gm— hi. good morning to you. it is sen n-nn nuan— hi. good morning to you. it is 931. i'm arron armstrong in the gb newsroom as you've just been hearing. rishi sunak will say later the uk's anti maths mindset is damaging the economy . the prime minister is setting up a review to ensure maths is studied by all students in england up to the age of 18 without making it compulsory free at a—level. in a speech later, criticise the later, he will criticise the culture that it's okay to be bad at maths and will say it's a key skill for the workplace. the education secretary, gillian keegan has told gb news the government needs to hire more teachers to make the plans work. if you look at the oecd average pretty much we're the only country that does not continue maths up to 18. and if you look at maths up to 18. and if you look an ane— maths up to 18. and if you look an nne wane— maths up to 18. and if you look

at the world that— maths up to 18. and if you look at the world that we— c. 8 and if you look at the world that we live in nun— at the world that we live in now, but also— at the world that we live in now, but also the world that we wank— now, but also the world that we weak in— now, but also the world that we weak in, n— now, but also the world that we weak in, n as— now, but also the world that we work in, it is increasingly signa— work in, it is increasingly gggg ana— work in, it is increasingly digital and increasingly the gens— digital and increasingly the gens negune— digital and increasingly the jobs require a— digital and increasingly the jobs require a decent level of nanns— jobs require a decent level of nanns nun— jobs require a decent level of maths, but it— jobs require a decent level of maths, but it is— jobs require a decent level of maths, but it is a— jobs require a decent level of maths, but it is a long term vision— maths, but it is a long term visian ani— maths, but it is a long term vision and it— maths, but it is a long term vision and it will- maths, but it is a long term vision and it will take us time to vision and it will take us time is nuis— vision and it will take us time is iuiii un— vision and it will take us time is iuiia up, you— vision and it will take us time to build up, you know, more mains— to build up, you know, more maths teachers— to build up, you know, more maths teachers and also other, you— maths teachers and also other, you knew— maths teachers and also other, you knew ,— maths teachers and also other, you know , technology that can you know, technology that can neig— you know, technology that can help supplement— you know, technology that can help supplement that former us inesiieni— help supplement that former us president bill— help supplement that former us president bill clinton and sir tony— president bill clinton and sir iany niain— president bill clinton and sir tony blair will— president bill clinton and sir tony blair will join other paiiiieai— tony blair will join other political leaders at a three day conference in— political leaders at a three day conference in belfast later to commemorate the good friday agneenenn — commemorate the good friday agreement. but— commemorate the good friday agreement. but the former taoiseach, bertie ahern and senator george mitchell, who played a key role in the peace negotiations in 1998, will also take part. it's being hosted to mark the 25th anniversary of the agreement that largely ended decades of sectarian conflict in the province. the uk's aviation industry has acknowledged measures to make flying less harmful to the environment , but harmful to the environment, but will push up ticket prices . it will push up ticket prices. it says the cost of decarbonising air travel is likely to put people off flying. it wants the

government to reduce the difference price between difference in price between traditional jet fuel and greener alternatives. the transport secretary says the government is committed to helping airlines accelerate new technology and move away from fossil fuels . and move away from fossil fuels. and the brecon beacons national park is changing its name as a direct response to the climate and the ecological crisis. it's now going to adopt the welsh name of banai brycheiniog national park, or the bannow for short. the park's managers say the current name refers to wood burning and carbon emitting beacons, which no longer fit the ethos of the park . tv online dab+ radio and park. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in this is gb news. now it's back to bev and . it's back to bev and. andrew well, it's a big issue for the it's back to bev and. andrew well, it's he's] issue for the it's back to bev and. andrew- - well, it's he's going for the prime minister. he's going to iaunen— prime minister. he's going to launch-speech- prime minister. he's going to. launch-speech-and

launch a big speech today and nes— launch a big speech today and nes-ne— launch a big speech today and he's-be talking- launch a big speech today and he's be talking about he's going to be talking about mains— he's going to be talking about maths—thinks- maths because he thinks not enaugn— maths because he thinks not enough-leaving- maths because he thinks not enough leaving school enough people leaving school nave— enough people leaving school. nave—gnapeny have done their maths properly ieeause— have done their maths properly because—man.- have done their maths properly because—man. he because he's a money man. he uses— because he's a money man. he used ia— because he's a money man. he used is weak— because he's a money man. he used is weak in— because he's a money man. he used to work in the— because he's a money man. he used to work in the city so he's going— used to work in the city so he's going ia— used to work in the city so he's going is en— used to work in the city so he's going is en us— used to work in the city so he's going to tell us all— used to work in the city so he's going to tell us all about why aiuiis— going to tell us all about why adults-can't— going to tell us all about why adults-can't do- going to tell us all about why adults can't do basic maths adults who can't do basic maths snauii—ninl should be, according to him, embarrassed,— should be, according to him, embarrassed,-it's. should be, according to him,- embarrassed,-it's going should be, according to him,- en be rrassed,-it's going should be, according to him,- en be speaking-it's going should be, according to him, enbe speaking duringit's going should be, according to him, enbe speaking during this|oing should be, according to him, enbe speaking during this show, to be speaking during this show, actually, and he'll announce a task force tackle he actually, and he'll announce a task “an e tackle he actually, and he'll announce a task “an anti tackle he actually, and he'll announce a task “an anti maths he actually, and he'll announce a task “an anti maths mindset that calls an anti maths mindset that is hindering country's is hindering the country's economic growth. well, tom heisen— economic growth. well, tom herbert,_politicalj herbert, our deputy political editor— herbert, our deputy political editor nene. — herbert, our deputy political editor here. tom, this is a big issue—i- editor here. tom, this is a big issue—i vagueiy| issue here because i vaguely remember talking issue here because i vaguely remember-talking this remember him talking about this snee— remember him talking about this three—obviously. three months ago. he obviously inaus— three months ago. he obviously knows numbers— three months ago. he obviously knows numbers probably knows numbers better probably inan— knows numbers better probably than—ministers- knows numbers better probably than ministers he's than most prime ministers he's been— than most prime ministers he's seen-sa— than most prime ministers he's seen-ea ne- than most prime ministers he's been -so he made. than most prime ministers he's been so he made his been a chance. so he made his money— been a chance. so he made his money in— been a chance. so he made his money in ne— been a chance. so he made his money in the-is- been a chance. so he made his money in the-is he- been a chance. so he made his money in the is he got a money in the city. is he got a gain— money in the city. is he got a paini aboun— money in the city. is he got a point about people leaving senaai— point about people leaving senaai-iusi- point about people leaving school just can't point about people leaving. school-just can't add school and they just can't add up- — school and they just can't add up. —inis- up. well numerate this is senainiy— certainly something that he neaiiy— certainly something that he neaiiy-in. - certainly something that he neaiiy-in. ii- certainly something that he really-in. it was. really believes in. it was a sun— really believes in. it was a sun ai— really believes in. it was a sort of almost throwaway remark in that big sort of relaunch speech that saw at the start speech that we saw at the start of the but remarkably , it of the year. but remarkably, it had this enormous cut through people that didn't really pay attention to politics, that didn't follow every announcement or senior or speech from senior politicians really understood that. rishi sunak is a guy that wants more people to do maths.

did they like it though? that is another and it's hard another question and it's hard to because did certainly to know because we did certainly see a lot of sort of famous tv film stars, all the rest of it come out and say, i can't do maths and i'm proud of it. well, ultimately, arnie that's not the wisest thing to say. and i think that really did rishi that that really did hit rishi sunak personally . he's going to sunak personally. he's going to come at that today come back at that today specifically and say, no one should be proud at not being good at maths. they've never hit inein— good at maths. they've never hit inein iangei— good at maths. they've never hit their target since _ g: they've never hit their target since they've been in power — their target since they've been in pee on— their target since they've been in power. of the— their target since they've been in power. of the number of maths reaeners—yearl teachers they want each year. ani— teachers they want each year. ana-iney— teachers they want each year. ana-iney ger- teachers they want each year. and-they got “p- teachers they want each year. and they got up to about and i think they got up to about sow— and i think they got up to about sow-nur— and i think they got up to about sore-sue in— and i think they got up to about 90%-but in some- and i think they got up to about 90% but in some years 90% last year. but in some years eniy— 90% last year. but in some years eniy esse— 90% last year. but in some years eniy sow ei— 90% last year. but in some years eniy sews ei ine— 90% last year. but in some years only 60% of the target. so part of only 60% of the target. so part ei ine— only 60% of the target. so part of the problem _ only 60% of the target. so part of the problem about maths is anis— of the problem about maths is this government— of the problem about maths is this government provided this government hasn't provided the this government hasn't provided rne-eneugn- this government hasn't provided the-enough maths. the places for enough maths reaeners— the places for enough maths teachers-the— the places for enough maths teachers the right work terms teachers or the right work terms ani— teachers or the right work terms and conditions— teachers or the right work terms and conditions for— teachers or the right work terms and conditions for them and are and conditions for them and are a er— and conditions for them and are a er en— and conditions for them and are a lot of schools— and conditions for them and are a lot of schools across the eeuniry— a lot of schools across the country, teachers aren't country, teachers that aren't rrainei— country, teachers that aren't trained-maths— country, teachers that aren't trained maths are teaching trained in maths are teaching mains— trained in maths are teaching mains-anar— trained in maths are teaching maths that course is a maths and that of course is a nreiien — maths and that of course is a ereiien . — maths and that of course is a problem . nur— maths and that of course is a problem . but if— maths and that of course is a problem . but if we- maths and that of course is a problem . �*" problem. but if we look at the education sort of in the round england is specifically less so scotland, but england specifically been climbing specifically has been climbing up international rankings, up the international rankings,

mainly on the remarkable mainly based on the remarkable advances we've had in literacy, in reading and writing. the introduction of things like phonics, the stricter standards that michael gove introduced back in 2011 2012. they have really had an effect. we haven't had the same thing with regard to maths, whereas countries in east asia really have. and in order to keep up in this global race, this is something the government's focusing. here's the thing had government's focusing. here's the thing-had such- government's focusing. here's the thing-had such bad- the thing we had such bad iireraey— the thing we had such bad literacy-could- the thing we had such bad. literacy-could-go literacy that it could only go up,— literacy that it could only go up, rignre— literacy that it could only go up, rignre ani— literacy that it could only go up, right? and the other thing isleen-r— up, right? and the other thing isleen-r-re— up, right? and the other thing isidon't-to live- up, right? and the other thing isidon't-to live in- up, right? and the other thing is don't to live in a is i don't want to live in a weird— is i don't want to live in a werieliara— is i don't want to live in a world data crunch robots in world of data crunch robots in a way,— world of data crunch robots in a way, mains— world of data crunch robots in a way, narns rer— world of data crunch robots in a way, maths for me— world of data crunch robots in a way, maths for me is one of inese— way, maths for me is one of inese renies— way, maths for me is one of those topics that— way, maths for me is one of those topics that we can ereiaiiy— those topics that we can probably move away from that nuen— probably move away from that much personal— probably move away from that much personal do it much personal ability to do it because— much personal ability to do it because everything's on your eeneuien— computer. we've all got a eaieuiarer— computer. we've all got a calculator in— computer. we've all got a calculator in our pockets, rignre— calculator in our pockets, rignre se — calculator in our pockets, right? so one— calculator in our pockets, right? so one that the right? so one thing that the was— right? so one thing that the wins-way— right? so one thing that the kids-way don't- right? so one thing that the. kids -way don't-need kids in a way don't really need to kids in a way don't really need re-yeu— kids in a way don't really need re-yeu knew— kids in a way don't really need to -you know what- kids in a way don't really need to you know what i want to do, do you know what i want to do, do you know what i want re rive— to do, do you know what i want re iiwe ine— to do, do you know what i want to live in? tom _ to do, do you know what i want to live in? tom i— to do, do you know what i want to live in? tom i want to live in a— to live in? tom i want to live in a eeunrry— to live in? tom i want to live in a country where people are eneeuragee— in a country where people are eneeuragei re— in a country where people are encouraged to use their imagination— encouraged to use their imagination their critical imagination and their critical winking.— imagination and their critical. winking—yeu thinking. and if he said, do you knew— thinking. and if he said, do you knew-i— thinking. and if he said, do you knew-i wani— thinking. and if he said, do you know-i want you- thinking. and if he said, do you know i want you to make know what? i want you to make eeneuisery— know what? i want you to make compulsory-want- know what? i want you to make compulsory want you to compulsory art. i want you to make— compulsory art. i want you to make an— compulsory art. i want you to make art compulsory or something wnien—ereare— which is going to create

rninwers— which is going to create thinkers future. i'd which is going to create- thinkers-future. i'd have thinkers of the future. i'd have seen— thinkers of the future. i'd have been terrible— thinkers of the future. i'd have been terrible as— thinkers of the future. i'd have been terrible as well. i can't do been terrible as well. i can't ie an,— been terrible as well. i can't ie an, nur— been terrible as well. i can't ie an, iur ir— been terrible as well. i can't do art, but it would tell you wnar— do art, but it would tell you wnar nis— do art, but it would tell you what his vision— do art, but it would tell you what his vision the country what his vision for the country ani— what his vision for the country and i— what his vision for the country and i ee— what his vision for the country was. and i do not— what his vision for the country was. and i do not like this wisien— was. and i do not like this. wisien—yeu vision for the country. do you knew— vision for the country. do you knew-i— vision for the country. do you know-i could- vision for the country. do you know i could even get on know what i could even get on neari— know what i could even get on ieari wirn— know what i could even get on board with him _ know what i could even get on board with him making english nanearerye— board with him making english. mandatory?_have mandatory? because we all have to mandatory? because we all have re wrire— mandatory? because we all have re wrire -veu — mandatory? because we all have to write-you all- mandatory? because we all have to write you all have to write in work. you all have to write in work. you all have re-yeursein- to write in work. you all have re-yeursein a- to write in work. you all have to yourself. a teenager to explain yourself. a teenager anar— to explain yourself. a teenager rnar—ieeausei to explain yourself. a teenageri that—because they that grunts at you because they can-r— that grunts at you because they sane-is— that grunts at you because they ean-r-is ne— that grunts at you because they can't-is no use- that grunts at you because they can't-is no use in- that grunts at you because they can't is no use in the can't speak is no use in the werkeiaee— can't speak is no use in the workplace. make- can't speak is no use in the workplace. make them able to wire— workplace. make them able to writelbrilliant_ workplace. make them able to write brilliant email. but we write a brilliant email. but we are-grearer- write a brilliant email. but we are greater involvement are seeing a greater involvement in-grearer— are seeing a greater involvement in greater advancement in tech, a greater advancement of in tech, a greater advancement ei-erier— in tech, a greater advancement of-orderlnavigate- in tech, a greater advancement of order navigate this of ai in order to navigate this weird,— of ai in order to navigate this wig, in— of ai in order to navigate this wig, in-re— of ai in order to navigate this world, in-to be- of ai in order to navigate this world, in to be able world, in order to be able to inreraer— world, in order to be able to interact with— world, in order to be able to interact with these sort of sysrens— interact with these sort of sysrens we — interact with these sort of systems, we do- interact with these sort of systems, we do need know systems, we do need to know a bit systems, we do need to know a iii ei— systems, we do need to know a iii ei easie— systems, we do need to know a bit of basic maths. g bit of basic maths. it's remarkable— bit of basic maths. it's remarkable actually looking looking at mps, for example, the number that can't number of mps that can't do bafic number of mps that can't do basic maths questions. well that's surprise . i mean it that's not a surprise. i mean it is remarkable. we really are lagging behind and this isn't about everyone having an a—level in maths. one of the things that's going to be announced today looking at how to today is looking at how to integrate maths more across these final years of these final two years of schooling. it might be a supplementary qualification , it supplementary qualification, it might in other might be integrated in other subjects . we're to see an subjects. we're going to see an advisory group from today

advisory group formed from today of maths teachers, education specialists and business leaders in order to see what kind of level of maths, because it's not going to be incredibly complicated, frankly, to raise the level of arithmetic ability in country. need in this country. we need some basics. but in this country. we need some basics . but why is in this country. we need some basics. but why is this in this country. we need some basics . but why is this captured basics. but why is this captured nin— basics. but why is this captured nin se— basics. but why is this captured nin se nuene— it»; but why is this captured him so much? because does him so much? because he does sang— him so much? because he does rang-g,— him so much? because he does bang-it, because- him so much? because he does bang it, because he's a bang on about it, because he's a geek,— bang on about it, because he's a geek, ieeause— bang on about it, because he's a geek, because he's— bang on about it, because he's a geek, because he's an 11 plus geek,— geek, because he's an 11 plus geek, isn-r— geek, because he's an 11 plus geek, isn't he?— geek, because he's an 11 plus geek, isn't he? _ geek, because he's an 11 plus geek, isn't he? : geek, isn't he? was head boy at winchester. is his winchester. this is his upbringing. in it, he is leaning inse— upbringing. in it, he is leaning inre nis— upbringing. in it, he is leaning into his brand.— upbringing. in it, he is leaning into his brand. and— upbringing. in it, he is leaning into his brand. and to- c. g g in it, he is leaning into his brand. and to be honest c. g g in it, he is leaning irnicely brand. and to be honest c. g g in it, he is leaning irnicely put1d. and to be honest c. g g in it, he is leaning irnicely put it. and to be honest c. g g in it, he is leaning irnicely put it itind to be honest c. g g in it, he is leaning irnicely put it it isi to be honest c. g g in it, he is leaning irnicely put it it is somethingest , nicely put it it is something anar— , nicely put it it is something inar eeeeie— , nicely put it it is something that people associate. have you nerieei— noticed he started wearing grasses— noticed he started wearing glasses-prime- noticed he started wearing glasses prime minister's glasses at prime minister's suesriens— glasses at prime minister's questions serious? glasses at prime minister's questions-serious? is he questions more serious? he is he is-inre— questions more serious? he is he is-inre anis— questions more serious? he is he is-inre ins-ei- is leaning into this sort of i an — is leaning into this sort of i an ine— is leaning into this sort of i am the technocratic guy and remains— am the technocratic guy and eernaes-nas- am the technocratic guy and perhaps has been some some perhaps there has been some some nriware— perhaps there has been some some eriware polling— perhaps there has been some some eriware eeiiing en— perhaps there has been some some private polling on this to look at private polling on this to look ar new— private polling on this to look ar new re— private polling on this to look at how to sort— private polling on this to look at how to sort of— private polling on this to look at how to sort of toughen up the eeuniry— at how to sort of toughen up the country..wouldn't_ at how to sort of toughen up the country. wouldn't saying country. he wouldn't be saying he country. he wouldn't be saying ne—nawing- country. he wouldn't be saying. he_making-such he wouldn't be making this such a-issue— he wouldn't be making this such a-issue . — he wouldn't be making this such a-issue. anu— he wouldn't be making this such a-issue . and you- he wouldn't be making this such a issue . i: he wouldn't be making this such a issue . a big issue. and you think this has cut through with has really cut through with voters? it really has. and i rninw— voters? it really has. and i ininw ene— voters? it really has. and i think one of— voters? it really has. and i think one of the— , it really has. and i think one of the interesting rnings— think one of the interesting wings-ner— think one of the interesting things not many people have things that not many people have picked— things that not many people have nicked-ine— things that not many people have picked-the last- things that not many people have picked the last week is picked up on in the last week is the government— picked up on in the last week is the government control of the government lost control of the government lost control of ene-agenda— the government lost control of the - agenda across - the government lost control of the agenda across all the news agenda across all papers— the news agenda across all papers-air- the news agenda across all papers, all broadcasters. papers, across all broadcasters. were— papers, across all broadcasters.| we-re—naieur-s we're all talking about labour's

anaer— we're all talking about labour's attack--— we're all talking about labour's attacki- ani— we're all talking about labour's attack . and labour was attack ads. and labour was eeiignree— attack ads. and labour was delighted lthat- attack ads. and labour was delighted that they got so delighted in that they got so nuen— delighted in that they got so nuen nee— delighted in that they got so much free advertising for their neiieies— much free advertising for their policies because— much free advertising for their policies because we were all raining— policies because we were all talking about— policies because we were all talking about these these aewens— talking about these these adverts and— talking about these these adverts and how nasty or ernerwise— adverts and how nasty or otherwise they- adverts and how nasty or otherwise they were, but that led otherwise they were, but that iei inre — otherwise they were, but that led into conversations about erininai— led into conversations about criminal justice, _ led into conversations about criminal justice, that led into conversations— criminal justice, that led into conversations about tax, about the conversations about tax, about we rnings— conversations about tax, about the things that— conversations about tax, about the things that labour wanted to rain— the things that labour wanted to rain aieun— the things that labour wanted to talk about, having— the things that labour wanted to talk about, having this perhaps siignriy— talk about, having this perhaps slightly controversial , slightly controversial, definitely— slightly controversial, definitely deep cut through sung-eer— definitely deep cut through sung-eer ei— definitely deep cut through subject of maths , that rishi subject of maths, that rishi sunaw— subject of maths, that rishi sunaw is— subject of maths, that rishi sunak is leading on today. more eeenie— sunak is leading on today. more eeeeie are— sunak is leading on today. more people are talking— sunak is leading on today. more people are talking about this because— people are talking about this because is— people are talking about this because it's got— people are talking about this because it's got a lot of interesting _ because it's got a lot of interesting talking points and senainiy— interesting talking points and senainiy a— interesting talking points and certainly a lot— interesting talking points and certainly a lot of cut through more so perhaps— certainly a lot of cut through more so perhaps than than other neiieies. — more so perhaps than than other eeiieies. i— more so perhaps than than other eeiieies. i iii— more so perhaps than than other policies. i did hear— more so perhaps than than other policies. i: i: policies. i did hear some people the other day testing each other on their timetable, and that's presumably because they knew about sunak. are your about rishi sunak. how are your times tables? not bad. not bad. 64 but you see this we 64 are. but you see this we learnt afraid learnt by rote, i'm afraid because you've rehearsed this . because you've rehearsed this. no, no, absolutely. because when you're certain you learnt you're a certain age, you learnt your by rote. and that's your tables by rote. and that's the your tables by rote. and that's rne ereiien— your tables by rote. and that's the problem with— and that's the problem with maths in this seneei. — the problem with maths in this school. -reason_ the problem with maths in this school. reason people school. the reason that people aen-r— school. the reason that people arena—mains- school. the reason that people aren't—maths is. aren't very good at maths is because— aren't very good at maths is because-ger— aren't very good at maths is because-got too- aren't very good at maths is because got too many because we've got too many away fren— because we've got too many away fen—ei— because we've got too many away from—of learning- from ways of rote of learning anar—

from ways of rote of learning rnar isn-r— from ways of rote of learning that isn't rote— from ways of rote of learning that isn't rote and with timetables— that isn't rote and with timetables and all of those rnings— timetables and all of those things, repetition, repetition, reeeiiiien— repetition. but but teachers are rerriiiei—arel terrified that the children are seen— terrified that the children are bored,-colour- terrified that the children are bored,-colour in- bored, so they colour in a eierure— bored, so they colour in a pierure ei— bored, so they colour in a pierure ei a— bored, so they colour in a picture of a math equation. veu-i— picture of a math equation. you'd-through- picture of a math equation. you'd through sentence, but you'd go through a sentence, but neun-aiwern— you'd go through a sentence, but noun,-adverb.iyeah.- you'd go through a sentence, buti noun,-adverb.iyeah.-if noun, verb, adverb. yeah. and if you— noun, verb, adverb. yeah. and if you get it right, you're you didn't get it right, you're in trouble. yeah and i think anar— in trouble. yeah and i think we inere-s— in trouble. yeah and i think that there's certainly- " / and i think that there's certainly a great area— that there's certainly a great ieai ei— that there's certainly a great deal of application of maths anar— deal of application of maths rnar-isn-r— deal of application of maths that-isn't not- deal of application of maths that isn't not widely that maybe isn't not widely understood,— that maybe isn't not widely understood, sort of how you can besi— understood, sort of how you can nesr use— understood, sort of how you can best use maths— understood, sort of how you can best use maths when you're going out best use maths when you're going eur re— best use maths when you're going eur re a— best use maths when you're going eur re a shopr— best use maths when you're going out to a shop, when— best use maths when you're going out to a shop, when you're ieewing— out to a shop, when you're ieewing ar— out to a shop, when you're looking at taxes, when you're sen— looking at taxes, when you're senlrnings— looking at taxes, when you're sort lthings-on,. looking at taxes, when you'rei sort-things-on, on, sort of things that rely on, on, on sort of things that rely on, on, en rear— sort of things that rely on, on, en reai ine— sort of things that rely on, on, on real life, whether it's seneeune— on real life, whether it's compound interest, if you're ieewing— compound interest, if you're ieewing ar— compound interest, if you're looking at mortgages , there's a looking at mortgages, there's a lot looking at mortgages, there's a er en— looking at mortgages, there's a er ei saun— looking at mortgages, there's a lot of stuff that— looking at mortgages, there's a lot of stuff that really should be mere— lot of stuff that really should be more widely— lot of stuff that really should be more widely understood and but be more widely understood and iur nur— be more widely understood and iur iur isn-r— be more widely understood and but but isn't really being being raugnr— but but isn't really being being raugnr in— but but isn't really being being taught in schools— but but isn't really being being taught in schools at the moment. new— taught in schools at the moment. new ar— taught in schools at the moment. new yeur— taught in schools at the moment. how are your tables,— taught in schools at the moment. how are your tables, tom - taught in schools at the moment. how are your tables, tom fine. right. we might test you. we might test bit later. now might test you a bit later. now in northern ireland today, it's going bit more glamorous going to be a bit more glamorous and exciting than with dopey joe biden. because the biden. motty because the clintons and clintons there, bill and hillary. i think blair's hillary. i think tony blair's going too. it's going to be there, too. and it's all about, of course, the 25th anniversary the northern anniversary of the northern ireland these ireland peace deal. so these political leaders— ”eec iiiaitiz; : so these political leaders around political leaders from around

the political leaders from around ene—narr- political leaders from around the-mark the- political leaders from around the mark the 25th the world will mark the 25th annivesary— the world will mark the 25th anniversary lthe - the world will mark the 25th anniversary the good friday anniversary of the good friday agreemenr. — anniversary of the good fridayi agreemenr. —ie agreement. they're going to be at agreement. they're going to be arlrnree— agreement. they're going to be arlrnnee nay— agreement. they're going to be at three day international at a three day international conference in— at a three day international conference in belfast this week. our— conference in belfast this week. our wennern— conference in belfast this week. our northern - reporter- our northern ireland reporter dougie beattie is with us. dougie beattie is with us. dougie had a very busy dougie you've had a very busy few . i imagine clintons few days. i imagine the clintons will pretty. well, it's will be a pretty. well, it's a highly anticipated event . yes, highly anticipated event. yes, indeed. and here in " g yes, indeed. and here in belfast, american— indeed. and here in belfast, american presidents is like a sus— american presidents is like a bus .— american presidents is like a bus . veu— american presidents is like a bus . you wait— american presidents is like a bus . you wait for— american presidents is like a bus . you wait for one for ages bus. you wait for one for ages ani— bus. you wait for one for ages and men— bus. you wait for one for ages and rnen re— bus. you wait for one for ages and then to arrive— bus. you wait for one for ages and then to arrive at once and reaiiy— and then to arrive at once and neaiiy, nin— and then to arrive at once and really, bill clinton— and then to arrive at once and really, bill clinton is very nigniy— really, bill clinton is very highly respected in northern ireianei— highly respected in northern ineiane. ne— highly respected in northern ireland. he was— highly respected in northern ireland. he was one of the main anar— ireland. he was one of the main men that pushed— ireland. he was one of the main men that pushed the good friday agneenenr— men that pushed the good friday agreement over— men that pushed the good friday agreement over the line in fact, wirn— agreement over the line in fact, wirn nin — agreement over the line in fact, wirn nin was— agreement over the line in fact, with him was senator george wirenein — with him was senator george mitchell. he's— with him was senator george mitchell. he's probably the most parienr— mitchell. he's probably the most earienr an— mitchell. he's probably the most earienr in— mitchell. he's probably the most patient man in world. patient man in the world. i remember 25— patient man in the world. i remember 25 years ago going to the remember 25 years ago going to we siennenr— remember 25 years ago going to the stormont hotel where he used to the stormont hotel where he used re nave— the stormont hotel where he used re nave nis— the stormont hotel where he used to have his briefings and god neig— to have his briefings and god new-nan.— to have his briefings and god new-nan. ne— to have his briefings and god help man. he used come help the man. he used to come eur— help the man. he used to come eur ieeving— help the man. he used to come out looking washed out looking absolutely washed eun— out looking absolutely washed eun-eie— out looking absolutely washed eun-eie ine— out looking absolutely washed out-did the deal.- out looking absolutely washed out. did the deal. he got out. but he did the deal. he got the out. but he did the deal. he got ene-iniiay— out. but he did the deal. he got the friday agreement over the good friday agreement over the good friday agreement over we iine. — the good friday agreement over we iine. ane— the good friday agreement over the line. and of— the good friday agreement over the line. and of course, joe eigen— the line. and of course, joe niien iasr— the line. and of course, joe biden last week— the line. and of course, joe biden last week didn't get too inveivee— biden last week didn't get too inveivei in— biden last week didn't get too involved in process here. he involved in the process here. he eniy— involved in the process here. he eniy-a— involved in the process here. he eniy-a eeueie— involved in the process here. he only-a couple of- involved in the process here. he only a couple of hours on only spent a couple of hours on the only spent a couple of hours on we greunn— only spent a couple of hours on rne greunn-ir— only spent a couple of hours on the ground,-it will- only spent a couple of hours on the ground, it will be the ground, but it will be interesting— the ground, but it will be interesting tonight. there's a numeri— interesting tonight. there's a number-events— interesting tonight. there's a.

number-events-around number of events in and around neiiasr— number of events in and around neiiasr eaia— number of events in and around belfast gala dinner tonight in the belfast gala dinner tonight in we eiry— belfast gala dinner tonight in we eiry nau— belfast gala dinner tonight in the city hall and— belfast gala dinner tonight in the city hall and that will be inreresring— the city hall and that will be interesting to— the city hall and that will be interesting to see unionists inene— interesting to see unionists inene-rney— interesting to see unionists there -they are- interesting to see unionists there they are talking to on there who they are talking to on there who they are talking to on we sine— there who they are talking to on we siie wne — there who they are talking to on the side who will— there who they are talking to on the side who will persuade them to the side who will persuade them re nayie — the side who will persuade them re nayie ge — the side who will persuade them to maybe go back— the side who will persuade them to maybe go back to power after anis— to maybe go back to power after we erevir— to maybe go back to power after this brexit arrangements that nave— this brexit arrangements that have basically— this brexit arrangements that have basically driven a coach ane— have basically driven a coach and neses— have basically driven a coach and horses through the good rriiay— and horses through the good friday agreement, especially in areuni— friday agreement, especially in around consent— friday agreement, especially in around consent ._ friday agreement, especially in around consent. so friday agreement, especially in around consent . so trust friday agreement, especially in around consent. so trust is friday agreement, especially in around consent . so trust is the around consent. so trust is the ei— around consent. so trust is the en ine— around consent. so trust is the name of the game— around consent. so trust is the name of the game here and bill ciinren— name of the game here and bill ciinren is— name of the game here and bill ciinren is very— name of the game here and bill clinton is very much trust by ine— clinton is very much trust by the unionist— clinton is very much trust by the unionist population . so the unionist population. so we-ii— the unionist population. so we-ii see— the unionist population. so we-ii ii— the unionist population. so we'll see if he— the unionist population. so we'll see if he has anything up his we'll see if he has anything up nis seevei— we'll see if he has anything up his sleeve that— we'll see if he has anything up his sleeve that could bring them task— his sleeve that could bring them back inte— his sleeve that could bring them back into government. tg it; back into government. dougie, it's back into government. dougie, is air— back into government. dougie, ir-s aii very— back into government. dougie, it's all very well for us old timers to know the good timers to know what the good friday agreement was and why it was so important. but would you just explain it to people like tom who are young to tom harwood who are too young to remember good friday remember the good friday agreement? so agreement? why was it so necessary what it necessary and what did it achieve well well, before the achieve? well well, before the good friday agreement 25 years ago, there was violence was very, very bad. violence in wennern— very, very bad. violence in northern ireland.- very, very bad. violence in northern ireland. in- wig wig dec violence in northern ireland. in fact, wig wig 3ch violence in northern ireland. in fact, we used— northern ireland. in fact, we used re— northern ireland. in fact, we used to have— northern ireland. in fact, we used to have to— northern ireland. in fact, we used to have to be searched going— used to have to be searched geing inte— used to have to be searched going into belfast. you know, i remember being— going into belfast. you know, i remember being on the bus going

into remember being on the bus going inre seneen— remember being on the bus going into school, sniffer— remember being on the bus going into school, sniffer dogs coming ente— into school, sniffer dogs coming enre ine— into school, sniffer dogs coming enre rne nus— into school, sniffer dogs coming onto the bus looking for explosives, _ onto the bus looking for explosives, etcetera . northern explosives, etcetera. northern ireiane— explosives, etcetera. northern ireiani was— explosives, etcetera. northern ireland was a— explosives, etcetera. northern ireland was a completely inferent— ireland was a completely different place before the good rriiay— different place before the good friday agreement. now it's not genesi— friday agreement. now it's not perfect new— friday agreement. now it's not perfect now. no— friday agreement. now it's not perfect now. no peace is genes.— perfect now. no peace is eerreer. ir— perfect now. no peace is perfect. it it— perfect now. no peace is perfect. it it is- perfect now. no peace is perfect. it it is an imperfect peas-e — perfect. it it is an imperfect peas-e nur— perfect. it it is an imperfect eeaee but i— perfect. it it is an imperfect peace. but i mean, on the way to in queens— peace. but i mean, on the way to in queen's university here, i iusr— in queen's university here, i was just driving— in queen's university here, i was just driving down annadale enianvnenr— was just driving down annadale embankment and— was just driving down annadale embankment and that used to be a very— embankment and that used to be a very big— embankment and that used to be a very big ieyaiisr— embankment and that used to be a very big loyalist stronghold. ani— very big loyalist stronghold. and see— very big loyalist stronghold. and some of— very big loyalist stronghold. and some of the flats and so renn— and some of the flats and so ienn anar— and some of the flats and so forth that were— and some of the flats and so forth that were there were very unein— forth that were there were very unein ani— forth that were there were very rundown and northern ireland reeves— rundown and northern ireland renew a— rundown and northern ireland renew a very— rundown and northern ireland looked a very grey place. and as i looked a very grey place. and as i earne— looked a very grey place. and as i easi— looked a very grey place. and as i ease ir— looked a very grey place. and as i came past it in— looked a very grey place. and as i came past it in the way in nere— i came past it in the way in nere ani— i came past it in the way in nere and n— i came past it in the way in nere and n i— i came past it in the way in here and i, i just- i came past it in the way in here and i, i just noticed that were— here and i, i just noticed that inene was— here and i, i just noticed that there was these— here and i, i just noticed that there was these beautiful aeannenrs— there was these beautiful apartments that have replaced all apartments that have replaced aii anar— apartments that have replaced aii rnar ine— apartments that have replaced all that the people are, are nuen— all that the people are, are much more busy going about the streets.— much more busy going about the streets. nobody— much more busy going about the streets. nobody really cares to ieev— streets. nobody really cares to ieee eve— streets. nobody really cares to look over your— streets. nobody really cares to look over your shoulder. i mean, i look over your shoulder. i mean, i nenenneri— look over your shoulder. i mean, i remember back— look over your shoulder. i mean, i remember back in— look over your shoulder. i mean, i remember back in the day, you knew,— i remember back in the day, you knew, a— i remember back in the day, you know, a car backfiring and everyieey— know, a car backfiring and everybody street would everybody in the street would nave— everybody in the street would have-around. - everybody in the street would have around. that's how everybody in the street would havtit around. that's how everybody in the street would havtit was around. that's how everybody in the street would havtit was before id. that's how everybody in the street would havtit was before the that's how everybody in the street would havtit was before the good how bad it was before the good rriiay— bad it was before the good friday agreement. this friday agreement. and this enaiiei— friday agreement. and this enabled-sides- friday agreement. and this enabled sides to share enabled both sides to share nee— enabled both sides to share newer-is- enabled both sides to share newer-is nan- enabled both sides to share power.-is part of. enabled both sides to share power. is part of the power. and that is part of the nreiien — power. and that is part of the ereiien ei— power. and that is part of the problem er wny— power. and that is part of the problem of why the government is sewn— problem of why the government is iewn ar— problem of why the government is iewn ar anis— problem of why the government is down at this moment time is down at this moment in time is because— down at this moment in time is because-newer—

down at this moment in time is because power sharing because that power sharing eeuirve — because that power sharing executive - in _ because that power sharing executive in place first executive put in place a first minister— executive put in place a first minister and— executive put in place a first minister and a— executive put in place a first minister and a deputy first minister— minister and a deputy first minister-really- minister and a deputy first minister really their minister when really their evaeriy— minister when really their exactly-same- minister when really their exactly same office. one exactly the same office. one canner— exactly the same office. one cannot exist— exactly the same office. one cannot exist without the other ana — cannot exist without the other one. and what— cannot exist without the other one. and what has now happened is because— one. and what has now happened is because ei— one. and what has now happened is because of the— one. and what has now happened is because of the brexit negotiations,- is because of the brexit negotiations, one side saying negotiations, one side is saying we cannot share— negotiations, one side is saying we cannot share power. we have no we cannot share power. we have ne neiirieai— we cannot share power. we have no political representation. it gees— no political representation. it gees easi— no political representation. it goes back actually to the americas— goes back actually to the americas taxation with no eeiirieai— americas taxation with no political representation. and rnar-s— political representation. and rnar-swnere— political representation. and that's where the good friday agreement— that's where the good friday agreement is— that's where the good friday agreement is at— that's where the good friday agreement is at at the moment. ant— agreement is at at the moment. ant it— agreement is at at the moment. ant it nignt— agreement is at at the moment. ant it nignt te— agreement is at at the moment. and it might be helpful if bill ciinten— and it might be helpful if bill ciinten an— and it might be helpful if bill clinton can have— and it might be helpful if bill clinton can have a look at this ant— clinton can have a look at this ant see— clinton can have a look at this ant new— clinton can have a look at this and see how maybe he and george iiiteneii— and see how maybe he and george iiiteneii an— and see how maybe he and george mitchell can persuade those to go mitchell can persuade those to ge tast— mitchell can persuade those to ge east te — mitchell can persuade those to go back to power— mitchell can persuade those to go back to power . , go back to power. see? interesting. thank you, dougie beattie. it's interesting, isn't it, teeaue— beattie. it's interesting, isn't it, because clinton- izi it's interesting, isn't it, because clinton was eenetetety— it, because clinton was completely trusted by the unienists— completely trusted by the unionists and— completely trusted by the unionists and biden. they eeuitn-t— unionists and biden. they couldn't stand— unionists and biden. they couldn't stand and last couldn't stand him. and last week— couldn't stand him. and last weetlnate— couldn't stand him. and last week-made that- couldn't stand him. and last week made that terrible week he made that terrible garte— week he made that terrible gate-were— week he made that terrible gaffe. were away, but he got gaffe. you were away, but he got the gaffe. you were away, but he got tne—rugty— gaffe. you were away, but he got tne—rugty team- gaffe. you were away, but he got the rugby team mixed the all blacks rugby team mixed up the all blacks rugby team mixed urn-tne— the all blacks rugby team mixed un-tne niaet— the all blacks rugby team mixed up-the black-tans. - the all blacks rugby team mixed up the black tans. oh, up with the black and tans. oh, atseiuteiy. — up with the black and tans. oh, absolutely. imean,_ up with the black and tans. oh, absolutely. mean, just you absolutely. i mean, just you eeuitn-t—it- absolutely. i mean, just youi couldn't—it worse. couldn't have made it worse. nes—ite- couldn't have made it worse. nes—its iney he's a liability, isn't it? they eant — he's a liability, isn't it? they eant nes— he's a liability, isn't it? they can't. he's barely- he's a liability, isn't it? they can't. f he's a liability, isn't it? they can' and i'm sure he's not for here the three days because he the next three days because he doesn't upstaged by doesn't want to be upstaged by the and hillary show.

the bill and hillary show. definitely. still big stars on tne— definitely. still big stars on the international stage. hope you— the international stage. hope you-nint— the international stage. hope yeu-nint nne- the international stage. hope you mind me offending you you didn't mind me offending you there, were too there, tom, saying you were too young. i think it's young. but i think it's important we're talking young. but i think it's impon25t we're talking young. but i think it's impon25 years we're talking young. but i think it's impon25 years of e're talking young. but i think it's impon25 years of good alking young. but i think it's impon25 years of good friday about 25 years of good friday agreement there'll be 35 agreement that there'll be 35 year watching who don't agreement that there'll be 35 year whatiatching who don't agreement that there'll be 35 year what we'reig who don't agreement that there'll be 35 year what we're talkingion't agreement that there'll be 35 year what we're talking about. know what we're talking about. and it's important. and and it's really important. and it's when you it's so interesting when you hear i think, describe hear dougie. i think, describe how bad it was easily we how bad it was so easily we forget how quickly forget. forget how quickly we forget. and hear these and you hear all of these different anecdotes about the only you could go into only pubs that you could go into in are cages that in belfast are the cages that existed outside of pubs existed on the outside of pubs before in that are now before you go in that are now sort historical artefacts. sort of historical artefacts. but were the lives not sort of historical artefacts. - but were the-lives not that but were the real lives not that teng— but were the real lives not that teng-ter— but were the real lives not that teng-ter-in- but were the real lives not that long-for-in parts. but were the real lives not that long-for-in parts of| long ago for people in parts of the long ago for people in parts of tneiant— long ago for people in parts of tneiant tnen— long ago for people in parts of the and then when there was the uk and then when there was a tent— the uk and then when there was a bomb-mainland— the uk and then when there was a bomb mainland england, there bomb in mainland england, there was bomb in mainland england, there territie— bomb in mainland england, there was terrible shock— bomb in mainland england, there was terrible shock outrage was terrible shock and outrage on was terrible shock and outrage en—nartl was terrible shock and outrage en—nart eti on in northern ireland, part of the on in northern ireland, part of tne-tingten.- on in northern ireland, part of tne-tingten. - on in northern ireland, part of the-kingdom. it- on in northern ireland, part of the kingdom. e on in northern ireland, part of. the-kingdom. it was part the united kingdom. it was part of absolutely of everyday life. absolutely i've government i've spoken to government ministers— i've spoken to government ministers, former defence ministers, one former defence secretary—e i secretary who on a visit to wertnern — secretary who on a visit to northern ireland, would northern ireland, sort of would fly northern ireland, sort of would tiylnat— northern ireland, sort of would tiylnat te— northern ireland, sort of would fly-had to land— northern ireland, sort of would fly-had to land by- fly in, had to land by helicopter,- fly in, had to land by helicopter, almost run from one pari— helicopter, almost run from one part—nun— helicopter, almost run from one part—run, escorted. part to actually run, escorted by part to actually run, escorted ty-nensennei- part to actually run, escorted by-personnel for- part to actually run, escorted by personnel for fear by security personnel for fear of by security personnel for fear et teing— by security personnel for fear of being sniped_ by security personnel for fear of being sniped at. yeah, it's tne— of being sniped at. yeah, it's tne nest— of being sniped at. yeah, it's the most remarkable story part of the most remarkable story part et tne— the most remarkable story part of the united— the most remarkable story part of the united kingdom. but i tnant— of the united kingdom. but i mean, thank goodness that that

is se— mean, thank goodness that that is se tar— mean, thank goodness that that is so far behind— mean, thank goodness that that is so far behind us. first is so far behind us. whatever pennie— is so far behind us. whatever people think tony blair and people think of tony blair and i know great fan. it was an outstanding what he outstanding achievement what he did. and mowlam somebody did. and mo mowlam is somebody that—remember- did. and mo mowlam is somebody that—remember on- did. and mo mowlam is somebody that—remember on a- i: i: and mo mowlam is somebody that remember on a day that we should remember on a day like that we should remember on a day iite tnis. — that we should remember on a day iite tnis. ne— that we should remember on a day like this. he was— that we should remember on a day like this. he was lovely- that we should remember on a day like this. izi like this. he was lovely too. but of course, was up by the but of course, was got up by the men. the end, they got rid of men. in the end, they got rid of her, she was hugely her, but she was hugely important in beginning. but important in the beginning. but of this started before of course, this started before tony— of course, this started before ieny stair— of course, this started before tony blair became prime minister.— tony blair became prime minister. the— tony blair became prime minister. the john major really did minister. the john major really tit-geing.— minister. the john major really did going. clinton did get this going. bill clinton visitet— did get this going. bill clintonj visitet—ieny visited in 1995. so before tony stain— visited in 1995. so before tony blair-elected— visited in 1995. so before tony blair-elected ,_ visited in 1995. so before tony blair elected , three years blair was elected, three years tetene— blair was elected, three years tetere tne — blair was elected, three years before the agreement was rennet,— before the agreement was reached, the _ before the agreement was reached, the ceasefire, of course, was agreed earlier in tne— course, was agreed earlier in tne eses— course, was agreed earlier in the 19905. and— course, was agreed earlier in the 1990s. and this was a long, ieng— the 1990s. and this was a long, teng ere.eess— the 1990s. and this was a long, teng ere.eess ne— the 1990s. and this was a long, long process. he takes none of tne— long process. he takes none of tne enetit— long process. he takes none of the credit major. _ long process. he takes none of the credit major. i— long process. he takes none of the credit major. f: the credit major. i picked the wrong youngsters . say you wrong youngsters. say you wouldn't remember- d d say you wouldn't remember it, remember d d say you woulmodisellenber it, remember d d say you woulmodisellenber all remember d d say you woulmodiselle nber all ofnember d d say you woulmodisellenber all of usnber it in modiselle and all of us rignt— it in modiselle and all of us nignt ,— it in modiselle and all of us rignt , rignt.— it in modiselle and all of us right, right. moving on. it in modiselle and all of us right , right. moving on. �*fvi�*izi ”iii: right, right. moving on. we're taking— right, right. moving on. we're taiting nw— right, right. moving on. we're talking now about the upcoming local because for the local elections because for the first time there's you're first time there's going you're going required to have going to be required to have voter a id, everyone voter id, a photo id, everyone voting in person across the engush voting in person across the english the english local elections on the 4th may. it's not that long 4th of may. it's not that long away. — 4th of may. it's not that long away. wett— 4th of may. it's not that long away. we'll need— 4th of may. it's not that long away. we'll need to- ”g" iivig it's not that long away. we'll need to show some tenn— away. we'll need to show some tern et— away. we'll need to show some form of identification in order to form of identification in order te patieieate— form of identification in order te eanieieate. — form of identification in order to participate. �*fti�*iiee to participate. well, let's see what type of effect this could

have on our democracy. professor of policy at of history and policy at university westminsteris university of westminster is pippa some pippa cattrell. pippa, some people this is an people are saying this is an outrageous by the tories outrageous attempt by the tories to of people out to keep all sorts of people out of the vote. only bringing of the vote. it's only bringing voting country into line voting in this country into line with the rest of europe. well, yes, i suppose so. but- e. well, yes, i suppose so. but then, of its— yes, i suppose so. but then, of course, it's something which has teen— course, it's something which has teen treugnt— course, it's something which has been brought in— course, it's something which has been brought in very suddenly witn— been brought in very suddenly with relative— been brought in very suddenly with relative little notification for some people . with relative little— notification for some people . so notification for some people. so tnere-s— notification for some people. so tnere-s teen— notification for some people. so there's been some— notification for some people. so there's been some polls showing reeentty— there's been some polls showing reeentiy tnat— there's been some polls showing recently that a _ there's been some polls showing recently that a large number of people— recently that a large number of eeeete are— recently that a large number of people are still— recently that a large number of people are still unaware of tnese— people are still unaware of these kinds— people are still unaware of these kinds of— people are still unaware of these kinds of things. but more of these kinds of things. but more et a— these kinds of things. but more et a eretien— these kinds of things. but more of a problem perhaps, is whether ieeai— of a problem perhaps, is whether local authorities— of a problem perhaps, is whether local authorities are actually preearet— local authorities are actually ereearet te— local authorities are actually prepared to process these. the new arrangements . so we've got new arrangements. so we've got a task— new arrangements. so we've got a task et— new arrangements. so we've got a lack of control— new arrangements. so we've got a lack of control on— new arrangements. so we've got a lack of control on postal veting— lack of control on postal voting, which _ lack of control on postal voting, which actually people are more concerned about when it te— are more concerned about when it te traut— are more concerned about when it comes to fraud than— are more concerned about when it comes to fraud than it is when you— comes to fraud than it is when you 90— comes to fraud than it is when yeu ge te— comes to fraud than it is when yeu ge te getting— comes to fraud than it is when you go to polling stations . and you go to polling stations. and

tnat-s— you go to polling stations. and was tnat-s— you go to polling stations. and that's that's an— you go to polling stations. and that's that's an issue which remains— that's that's an issue which eernaes eugnt— that's that's an issue which perhaps ought to have been teetet— perhaps ought to have been ieetet at. — perhaps ought to have been looked at. we've got huge nunnerst— looked at. we've got huge numbers of— looked at. we've got huge numbers of people who are not aetuaity— numbers of people who are not aetuaiiy en— numbers of people who are not actually on the— numbers of people who are not actually on the voters register anyway, — actually on the voters register anyway, wnien— actually on the voters register anyway, which is— actually on the voters register anyway, which is arguably a nigger— anyway, which is arguably a tigger issue— anyway, which is arguably a bigger issue than the question of personation_ bigger issue than the question of personation ,_ bigger issue than the question of personation , on which the, of personation, on which the, you— of personation, on which the, yeu knew,— of personation, on which the, yeu tnew tne— of personation, on which the, you know, the maximum number of sueeesstui— you know, the maximum number of successful prosecutions in resent— successful prosecutions in resent years— successful prosecutions in recent years has been three out of recent years has been three out et att— recent years has been three out et ati tne— recent years has been three out of all the people— recent years has been three out of all the people voting erg and you of all the people voting erg and yeu nave— of all the people voting erg and yeu nave a— of all the people voting erg and you have a situation where the iesai— you have a situation where the local authority— you have a situation where the local authority ,_ you have a situation where the local authority , local local authority, local government- local authority, local government association in sesenter— government association in december warned that generally speaking, — december warned that generally speaking, yeu— december warned that generally speaking, you shouldn't bring in snange— speaking, you shouldn't bring in strange te— speaking, you shouldn't bring in change to electoral systems . change to electoral systems. ress— change to electoral systems. ness tnan— change to electoral systems. less than six— change to electoral systems. less than six months before a vete. — less than six months before a vete. wett— less than six months before a vote. well the— less than six months before a vote. well the statutory instrument— vote. well the statutory instrument was lodged. all of tnis— instrument was lodged. all of we sae— instrument was lodged. all of we in— instrument was lodged. all of this came in in— instrument was lodged. all of this came in in january this year— this came in in january this year ,— this came in in january this year , wnisn— this came in in january this year , which is— this came in in january this year , which is less than six year, which is less than six nentns— year, which is less than six months beforehand . and you have months beforehand. and you have the months beforehand. and you have tne nnetien— months beforehand. and you have tne eretien et— months beforehand. and you have the problem of needing additional— the problem of needing additional polling clerks and mating— additional polling clerks and making sure— additional polling clerks and making sure that they're all preeerty— making sure that they're all properly trained to manage these tints— properly trained to manage these tints et— properly trained to manage these kinds of things. _ properly trained to manage these kinds of things. so— properly trained to manage these

kinds of things. so there may be more difficulty— kinds of things. so there may be more difficulty than the government— more difficulty than the government would hope in manage managing— government would hope in manage nanaging tnis— government would hope in manage managing this process. there's arse,— managing this process. there's aise, et— managing this process. there's aise, et seurse— managing this process. there's also, of course, the question tnat— also, of course, the question we it— also, of course, the question we it yeu— also, of course, the question that if you look— also, of course, the question that if you look at it, 1.9 niiiien— that if you look at it, 1.9 million people- that if you look at it, 1.9 million people will, according to million people will, according te tne— million people will, according to the electoral— million people will, according to the electoral commission, tast— to the electoral commission, iast ye..— to the electoral commission, tast yea. tit— to the electoral commission, last year, did not— to the electoral commission, last year, did not have the reguiret— last year, did not have the required forms— last year, did not have the required forms of voter id . the required forms of voter id. the sevennents— required forms of voter id. the government's introduced senetning— government's introduced something called a voter authorised— something called a voter authorised certificate as of the ent— authorised certificate as of the ent et— authorised certificate as of the ent et tast— authorised certificate as of the end of last month— authorised certificate as of the end of last month about 29,000 iust— end of last month about 29,000 iust unten— end of last month about 29,000 iust unten nat— end of last month about 29,000 just under had actually applied for just under had actually applied ter tnis. — just under had actually applied for this. that's— just under had actually applied for this. that's suggests that tnene-s— for this. that's suggests that tnere-s geing— for this. that's suggests that there's going to— for this. that's suggests that there's going to be a fair numeri— there's going to be a fair nunnert et— there's going to be a fair number of people who have been turnet— number of people who have been tunnet away— number of people who have been turned away from _ number of people who have been turned away from polling statiens— turned away from polling statiens ,— turned away from polling stations , not— turned away from polling stations , not because they're stations, not because they're net— stations, not because they're net en— stations, not because they're net en tne— stations, not because they're not on the electorate or not iust— not on the electorate or not iust tesause— not on the electorate or not just because they're not on the eiesterai— just because they're not on the electoral register,— just because they're not on the electoral register, which naeeens— electoral register, which happens quite frequently. arnie, but happens quite frequently. arnie, tut-tesause— happens quite frequently. arnie, but-because they- happens quite frequently. arnie, but because they don't have but also because they don't have the but also because they don't have tne rignt— but also because they don't have tne rignt veter— but also because they don't have the right voter id— but also because they don't have the right voter id this time reunt— the right voter id this time reunt .— the right voter id this time reunt . repea— the right voter id this time round . peppa. peppa if i can round. peppa. peppa if i can snange— round. peppa. peppa if i can snange, it— round. peppa. peppa if i can snange, it i— round. peppa. peppa if i can change, if i can— round. peppa. peppa if i can change, if i can just finish for change, if i can just finiin for a change, if i can just finish for asnange— change, if i can just finish for a change which— change, if i can just finish for a change which was intended and

sett— a change which was intended and seit as— a change which was intended and seit as using— a change which was intended and sold as being about protecting the sold as being about protecting tne integrity— sold as being about protecting the integrity of— sold as being about protecting the integrity of our democracy, tnat— the integrity of our democracy, we was— the integrity of our democracy, tnat tne— the integrity of our democracy, that runs the risk— the integrity of our democracy, that runs the risk of actually eretusing— that runs the risk of actually eretusing tne— that runs the risk of actually producing the opposite effect. pippa— producing the opposite effect. pippa vau— producing the opposite effect. pippa veu nave— producing the opposite effect. pippa you have beautifully explained why this isn't a problem that needs fixing with those small numbers of people who've been committed of voter fraud . so what is the point ? fraud. so what is the point? what are the government doing with preparing us? i think i know what it is. i think they're preparing us for a centralised digital id system. and this is the start of that . well, it the start of that. well, it could well— the start of that. well, it could well be— the start of that. well, it could well be that- well, it could well be that there's a lot of could well be that there's a lot et reente— could well be that there's a lot et eeeete wne— could well be that there's a lot of people who think this is a ineertatien— of people who think this is a importation of— of people who think this is a importation of the kind of voter sueeressien— importation of the kind of voter suppression techniques that the iteeuttisans— suppression techniques that the republicans have— suppression techniques that the republicans have used in the unitet— republicans have used in the united states,— republicans have used in the united states, where you've had a ieng— united states, where you've had a teng nistery— united states, where you've had a teng nistery et— united states, where you've had a long history of not under resetting— a long history of not under recording certain people , recording certain people, pantsutariy— recording certain people, particularly african americans ant— particularly african americans ant se— particularly african americans ant se se— particularly african americans and so on. so as— particularly african americans and so on. so as to suppress sertain— and so on. so as to suppress senain types— and so on. so as to suppress certain types of— and so on. so as to suppress certain types of voters in terms of certain types of voters in terms et tne— certain types of voters in terms et tne eeeeie— certain types of voters in terms of the people who _ certain types of voters in terms

of the people who are likely to be of the people who are likely to te attestet— of the people who are likely to be affected by— of the people who are likely to be affected by these changes, it witt— be affected by these changes, it witi insiute— be affected by these changes, it will include the _ be affected by these changes, it will include the elderly , will include the elderly, aitneugn— will include the elderly, attneugn a— will include the elderly, although a lot of the elderly are although a lot of the elderly gestat— although a lot of the elderly are postal voters— although a lot of the elderly are postal voters and therefore wen-t— are postal voters and therefore wen-t te— are postal voters and therefore won't be affected. _ are postal voters and therefore won't be affected. it will insiute— won't be affected. it will include unemployed people, reente— include unemployed people, eeeete wne — include unemployed people, people who live— include unemployed people, people who live in social neusing— people who live in social housing and— people who live in social housing and the other group who wne— housing and the other group who wne teet— housing and the other group who wne teet targe— housing and the other group who who book large amongst that 1.9 niiiien— who book large amongst that 1.9 nitiien ane— who book large amongst that 1.9 million are people— who book large amongst that 1.9 million are people who have tittie— million are people who have iittie er— million are people who have iittie en ne— million are people who have little or no educational qualifications . so that might qualifications. so that might nave— qualifications. so that might have certain— qualifications. so that might have certain electoral effects . have certain electoral effects. it have certain electoral effects. it may— have certain electoral effects. it may aise— have certain electoral effects. it may atse te— have certain electoral effects. it may also be a— have certain electoral effects. it may also be a way of preparing— it may also be a way of preparing ten— it may also be a way of preparing for what you for the system,— preparing for what you for the system, yeu— preparing for what you for the system, yeu say. — preparing for what you for the system, you say. but the problem tnat— system, you say. but the problem we tney— system, you say. but the problem we tney nave— system, you say. but the problem that they have is— system, you say. but the problem that they have is that this isn-t— that they have is that this isn't creating— that they have is that this isn't creating a- that they have is that this isn't creating a single single consolidated— isn't creating a single single consolidated system . it's consolidated system. it's astuaity— consolidated system. it's actually creating a mess of lots of actually creating a mess of lots et tittenent— actually creating a mess of lots of different systems , all of of different systems, all of wnisn— of different systems, all of wnisn are— of different systems, all of which are administrated , which are administrated, administrated, different, all of wnisn— administrated, different, all of wnisn sest— administrated, different, all of which cost money. �*" er?" administrated, different, all of which cost money. �*" cu?“ which cost money. if i can ask you— which cost money. if i can ask you just finally, there are 47 countries in europe where

they've got voter there's only one country that's not using this voter id, and that's britain. we're already using it in northern ireland, have been for 25 years. so we're really catching up, aren't we? and it's probably best to do it at a local election when the turnout is historically low is always historically low anyway. i think you could sertainiy— anyway. i think you could certainly use— anyway. i think you could certainly use that- rit’g i think you could certainly use that kind of argument— certainly use that kind of argument ,— certainly use that kind of argument, and that was the tastgreunt— argument, and that was the background to— argument, and that was the background to what the. no, i knew— background to what the. no, i knew tnat— background to what the. no, i know that was— background to what the. no, i know that was the background to the know that was the background to tne tesisien— know that was the background to the decision taken— know that was the background to the decision taken by the gevernnent— the decision taken by the government to - the decision taken by the government to do that . so all government to do that. so all in— government to do that. so all in saying— government to do that. so all in saying is— government to do that. so all i'm saying is that— government to do that. so all i'm saying is that there are ten— i'm saying is that there are iets et— i'm saying is that there are lots of other— i'm saying is that there are lots of other things that the gevernnent— lots of other things that the government arguably should concentrate _ government arguably should concentrate on,— government arguably should concentrate on, at least as nusn— concentrate on, at least as nusn it— concentrate on, at least as nusn it net— concentrate on, at least as much, if not more. if you've got tets— much, if not more. if you've got iets et— much, if not more. if you've got tets et peepte— much, if not more. if you've got lots of people who— much, if not more. if you've got lots of people who are not on tne— lots of people who are not on tne register— lots of people who are not on the register in— lots of people who are not on the register in the— lots of people who are not on the register in the first place setting— the register in the first place sening eut— the register in the first place sorting out the— the register in the first place sorting out the lack of registration _ sorting out the lack of registration issues is an inpertant— registration issues is an important one. most campaigns, nest— important one. most campaigns, most electoral— important one. most campaigns, most electoral offences are aneunt— most electoral offences are around campaign issues , so around campaign issues, so arguatiy— around campaign issues, so arguatty we— around campaign issues, so arguably we should be doing tnings— arguably we should be doing tnings ateut— arguably we should be doing things about campaigning erg ratner— things about campaigning erg natnen tnan— things about campaigning erg

rather than these kinds of tnings.— rather than these kinds of tnings. ant— rather than these kinds of things. and if— rather than these kinds of things. and if you look at the puttis— things. and if you look at the puttis, wnat— things. and if you look at the public, what they distrust more tnan— public, what they distrust more tnan veter— public, what they distrust more tnan veter is— public, what they distrust more than voter id is— public, what they distrust more than voter id is the media and the than voter id is the media and tne inpast— than voter id is the media and tne inpast et— than voter id is the media and the impact of the— than voter id is the media and the impact of the media on the integrity— the impact of the media on the integrity et— the impact of the media on the integrity of the _ the impact of the media on the integrity of the voting system. so integrity of the voting system. se att— integrity of the voting system. se ati et— integrity of the voting system. so all of these— integrity of the voting system. so all of these things are arguatty— so all of these things are arguably bigger issues. and it's gutte— arguably bigger issues. and it's quite interesting— arguably bigger issues. and it's quite interesting to have people arguing— quite interesting to have people arguing new— quite interesting to have people arguing now that— quite interesting to have people arguing now that we should be tite— arguing now that we should be more like europe— arguing now that we should be more like europe ._ arguing now that we should be more like europe . seven years more like europe. seven years atten— more like europe. seven years atter tne— more like europe. seven years after the brexit— more like europe. seven years after the brexit vote . yeah, after the brexit vote. yeah, nayte— after the brexit vote. yeah, nayte. tren— after the brexit vote. yeah, maybe. from my point of view , maybe. from my point of view, tnat— maybe. from my point of view, we weuit— maybe. from my point of view, that would be _ maybe. from my point of view, that would be an— maybe. from my point of view, that would be an entirely good tning. — that would be an entirely good tning. stay.— that would be an entirely good thing. okay. thank- that would be an entirely good thing. okay. thank you, pippa. professor of history and policy at university of westminster. pippa catterall there. tom i'm not on board with this at all. i know your point. you're bringing us up to speed , but it's got it us up to speed, but it's got it in northern ireland, had it for over years, never over 20 years, but we never wanted system in this wanted an id system in this country. country has always country. this country has always been against id been pushed back against id cards. the start of it. cards. this is the start of it. so i think that there's a there's a strong constituency in parliament that would really reject national id reject id cards. and national id sarts— reject id cards. and national id sarts-sert— reject id cards. and national id sarts-sen et— reject id cards. and national id cards-sort of hand- reject id cards. and national id cards-sort of hand -your| cards are sort of hand me your papers— cards are sort of hand me your papers sesiety. — cards are sort of hand me your papers society. david cameron sanpaignet— papers society. david cameron campaigned vigorously against

tnat— campaigned vigorously against tnat sert— campaigned vigorously against tnat sert et— campaigned vigorously against that sort of thing. nick clegg did that sort of thing. nick clegg tit as— that sort of thing. nick clegg tit as wet — that sort of thing. nick clegg did as well. -tony. that sort of thing. nick clegg did as well. tony blair did as well. although tony blair has did as well. although tony blair nas aiways— did as well. although tony blair has always been— did as well. although tony blair has always been forward has always been pushing forward . eut— has always been pushing forward . put it— has always been pushing forward . put it is— has always been pushing forward . but it is interesting, the tirst— . but it is interesting, the tinst tine— . but it is interesting, the first time i— . but it is interesting, the first time i went to vote, which tne — first time i went to vote, which tne este— first time i went to vote, which was the 2015 general election, i treugnt— was the 2015 general election, i treugnt ny— was the 2015 general election, i treugnt my is— was the 2015 general election, i brought my id along with me. i i— brought my id along with me. i i was— brought my id along with me. i i i— brought my id along with me. i was i was i was— brought my id along with me. i was i was i was actually bemused tnat— was i was i was actually bemused we r— was i was i was actually bemused we r iust— was i was i was actually bemused tnat i iust nat— was i was i was actually bemused that i just had to— was i was i was actually bemused that i just had to say my name. weu— that i just had to say my name. veu ten-t— that i just had to say my name. you don't even— that i just had to say my name. you don't even need the voters sart. — you don't even need the voters sart. its— you don't even need the voters sart. its very,— you don't even need the voters card. it's very, very— you don't even need the voters card. it's very, very peculiar tnat—up- card. it's very, very peculiari tnat—up ant that you sort of walk up and its— that you sort of walk up and its a— that you sort of walk up and its a its— that you sort of walk up and its a its a— that you sort of walk up and it's a it's a system based on tne— it's a it's a system based on tne sert— it's a it's a system based on tne sert et— it's a it's a system based on the sort of social— it's a it's a system based on the sort of social trust that in — the sort of social trust that in -sure— the sort of social trust that i'm -sure the - the sort of social trust that i'm sure the united kingdom i'm not sure the united kingdom reaity— i'm not sure the united kingdom reaity-nusn— i'm not sure the united kingdom really much anymore. really has that much anymore. ien— really has that much anymore. pom-n,— really has that much anymore. pom-n, tut- really has that much anymore. tom-it, butlis- really has that much anymore. tom -it, butlis wei tom you break it, but it is we nave— tom you break it, but it is we nave tnat— tom you break it, but it is we have that trust. _ tom you break it, but it is we have that trust. i have that trust. but i mean, we can't lose the but the interesting thing is i think every young this every young person in this country has id, every young country has an id, every young person this country buys person in this country buys alcohol. every person in alcohol. every young person in tnis— alcohol. every young person in tne—tnat,- alcohol. every young person in this—that, whether| this country uses that, whether it's this country uses that, whether its a— this country uses that, whether it's a provisional— this country uses that, whether it's a provisional driving tisense— it's a provisional driving licence driver's licence, passpert— licence driver's licence, passport, the passport, whatever it is. the interesting— passport, whatever it is. the interesting-think- interesting point, i think we neant— interesting point, i think we neant tren— interesting point, i think we heard from contributor there heard from our contributor there was-concern here- was that the concern here is ateut— was that the concern here is about-elderly- was that the concern here is about elderly people who about more elderly people who nignt— about more elderly people who nignt-tne— about more elderly people who nignt-tne is- about more elderly people who might-the id now- might not have the id now eiteriy— might not have the id now etterty peepte— might not have the id now elderly people predominantly elderly people are predominantly veting— elderly people are predominantly voting conservative and have tene— voting conservative and have tene ter— voting conservative and have tene ter tne— voting conservative and have done for the last— voting conservative and have done for the last god knows how many— done for the last god knows how many etestiens— done for the last god knows how many elections as— done for the last god knows how many elections as it would be a very— many elections as it would be a very pesuiiar— many elections as it would be a very peculiar thing— many elections as it would be a very peculiar thing were this

gevernnent— very peculiar thing were this government trying to quote unguete— government trying to quote unquote gerrymander the system by unquote gerrymander the system ty stepping— unquote gerrymander the system by stopping their_ unquote gerrymander the system by stopping their voters from being— by stopping their voters from teing atte— by stopping their voters from teing atte te— by stopping their voters from being able to vote because it's net.— being able to vote because it's net. is— being able to vote because it's net. is tnat— being able to vote because it's not. is that so?— being able to vote because it's not. is that so? i— being able to vote because it's not. is that so? i don't think tnat— not. is that so? i don't think tnat its— not. is that so? i don't think tnat its a— not. is that so? i don't think that it's a very— not. is that so? i don't think that it's a very credible argument— that it's a very credible argument to- that it's a very credible argument to say that this is trying— argument to say that this is trying te— argument to say that this is trying te nave— argument to say that this is trying to make elections go l— trying to make elections go more.-i think- trying to make elections go more. i think this is more. tory, i think this is genuineiy— more. tory, i think this is genuinely something that many peepte— genuinely something that many peepte in— genuinely something that many people in government are concerned about in terms of satety— concerned about in terms of satety ant— concerned about in terms of safety and just— concerned about in terms of safety and just breaking to stray— safety and just breaking to hillary clinton. she's the farmer— hillary clinton. she's the former first lady. of course, she's in belfast talking at queen's university. let's have a listen. northern queen's university. let's have a listen . northern ireland, as an listen. northern ireland, as an economic hub— listen. northern ireland, as an economic hub for— e northern ireland, as an economic hub for global trade ant— economic hub for global trade and investment— economic hub for global trade and investment through priviteget— and investment through privileged access to the uk and all privileged access to the uk and ati et— privileged access to the uk and ati et its— privileged access to the uk and all of its trading— privileged access to the uk and all of its trading partners as wett— all of its trading partners as weit as— all of its trading partners as weit as tne— all of its trading partners as well as the eu— all of its trading partners as well as the eu ._ all of its trading partners as well as the eu . now, there have well as the eu. now, there have teen— well as the eu. now, there have teen many— well as the eu. now, there have been many moments in northern ireiant-s— been many moments in northern ineiant-s pease— been many moments in northern ireland's peace journey where pregness— ireland's peace journey where pregness ,— ireland's peace journey where pregness,yes— ireland's peace journey where progress , yes, seemed difficult progress, yes, seemed difficult vnen— progress, yes, seemed difficult wnen every— progress, yes, seemed difficult when every route— progress, yes, seemed difficult when every route forward looked tiestet— when every route forward looked tiestet eut. — when every route forward looked blocked out. there— when every route forward looked blocked out. there seemed newenre— blocked out. there seemed newenre te— blocked out. there seemed nowhere to go— blocked out. there seemed nowhere to go ._ blocked out. there seemed nowhere to go . but you have nowhere to go. but you have aiways— nowhere to go. but you have atways reunt— nowhere to go. but you have always found a— nowhere to go. but you have always found a way through , and

always found a way through, and i always found a way through, and i teiieve— always found a way through, and i teiieve yeu— always found a way through, and i believe you will— always found a way through, and i believe you will again, tesause— i believe you will again, because the— i believe you will again, because the stakes for the peepte— because the stakes for the peepte et— because the stakes for the people of northern ireland are so people of northern ireland are se nign— people of northern ireland are se nign .— people of northern ireland are se nign . weu— people of northern ireland are so high . you stand as an example so high. you stand as an example to so high. you stand as an example te tne— so high. you stand as an example te tne went— so high. you stand as an example to the world of— so high. you stand as an example to the world of how— so high. you stand as an example to the world of how even the staunsnest— to the world of how even the staunchest adversaries the tens— staunchest adversaries the ienies san— staunchest adversaries the tories can overcome some titterenses— tories can overcome some differences to— tories can overcome some differences to work together for the differences to work together for tne sennnnen— differences to work together for the common and— differences to work together for the common and greater good . so the common and greater good. so i the common and greater good. so i esuage— the common and greater good. so i encourage everyone now to move terwart— i encourage everyone now to move terwart witn— i encourage everyone now to move terwart witn tne — i encourage everyone now to move forward with the same spirit of unsteppatie— forward with the same spirit of unstoppable grit— forward with the same spirit of unstoppable grit and resolve tnat— unstoppable grit and resolve tnat treugnt— unstoppable grit and resolve that brought the peace. 25 years ago— that brought the peace. 25 years age .— that brought the peace. 25 years age . reun— that brought the peace. 25 years ago . your friends— that brought the peace. 25 years ago . your friends in the united ago. your friends in the united states— ago. your friends in the united states witt— ago. your friends in the united states will be _ ago. your friends in the united states will be behind you all the states will be behind you all tne way— states will be behind you all tne way as— states will be behind you all tne way as yeu— states will be behind you all the way as you work toward pease — the way as you work toward peace, prosperity and stability tnat— peace, prosperity and stability tnat iasts— peace, prosperity and stability that lasts us— peace, prosperity and stability that lasts us so— peace, prosperity and stability that lasts us so that is what we are that lasts us so that is what we tene— that lasts us so that is what we nere te— that lasts us so that is what we are here to discuss— that lasts us so that is what we are here to discuss over the neat— are here to discuss over the next tnnee— are here to discuss over the next three days.— are here to discuss over the next three days. this forum will previte— next three days. this forum will pnevite a— next three days. this forum will provide a chance— next three days. this forum will provide a chance for leaders who sreatet— provide a chance for leaders who sneatet tne — provide a chance for leaders who created the agreement and those wetting— created the agreement and those werting te— created the agreement and those working to extend— created the agreement and those working to extend it and realise its tuit— working to extend it and realise

its full promise _ working to extend it and realise its full promise to. �*fti�*iiee its full promise to. well, tnat-s— its full promise to. well, that's hillary clinton, the former first lady, talking in belfast, rishi sunak. what am i talking about? his campaign on maths. and if we are going to grow our economy , not just over grow our economy, not just over the next two years, but the next 20, we simply cannot allow poor numeracy to cost our economy tens of billions a year or to leave people twice as likely to be unemployed as those with competent numeracy . so we have competent numeracy. so we have to fundamentally— competent numeracy. so we have to fundamentally change- so we have to fundamentally change our etusatien— to fundamentally change our education system so it gives our young— education system so it gives our yeung peepte— education system so it gives our young pebble the_ education system so it gives our young people the knowledge and skins— young people the knowledge and stitis tney— young people the knowledge and skills they need— young people the knowledge and skills they need and that our businesses— skills they need and that our businesses need— skills they need and that our businesses need to compete with the businesses need to compete with tne test— businesses need to compete with tne test in— businesses need to compete with the best in the— businesses need to compete with the best in the world. and tnene-s— the best in the world. and tnere-s ne— the best in the world. and there's no better example of tnat— there's no better example of tnat tnan— there's no better example of tnat tnan in— there's no better example of that than in our— there's no better example of that than in our creative industries,— that than in our creative industries, because what's the biggest— industries, because what's the tiggest stit— industries, because what's the biggest skill shortage holding our biggest skill shortage holding titn — biggest skill shortage holding our film industry back? well, as you our film industry back? well, as yeu neart— our film industry back? well, as you heard from _ our film industry back? well, as you heard from gillian , it's you heard from gillian, it's a snertage— you heard from gillian, it's a snertage et— you heard from gillian, it's a shortage of technical skills. ant— shortage of technical skills. ant se— shortage of technical skills. ant se wnat— shortage of technical skills. and so what of— shortage of technical skills. and so what of the london screen asateny— and so what of the london screen asateny put— and so what of the london screen asateny put en— and so what of the london screen academy put on the— and so what of the london screen academy put on the curriculum for academy put on the curriculum ter tnen— academy put on the curriculum ter tneir ie— academy put on the curriculum for their 16 to— academy put on the curriculum for their 16 to 19— academy put on the curriculum for their 16 to 19 year olds

natns— for their 16 to 19 year olds natns e— for their 16 to 19 year olds maths ? why?— for their 16 to 19 year olds maths ? why? because you can't maths? why? because you can't mate— maths? why? because you can't make evie— maths? why? because you can't make movies without maths . you make movies without maths. you san-t— make movies without maths. you san-t nave— make movies without maths. you can't make visual— make movies without maths. you can't make visual effects witneut— can't make visual effects without vectors and matrices. weu— without vectors and matrices. veu san-t— without vectors and matrices. you can't design— without vectors and matrices. you can't design a set without geenetry— you can't design a set without some geometry. you can't run a tin— some geometry. you can't run a film production— some geometry. you can't run a film production company without teing— film production company without being financially— film production company without being financially literate . and being financially literate. and tnat-s— being financially literate. and was net— being financially literate. and that's not just— being financially literate. and that's not just true of our sreative— that's not just true of our creative industries. it's true of creative industries. it's true et se— creative industries. it's true et se many— creative industries. it's true et se nany et— creative industries. it's true of so many of our industries in neaitn— of so many of our industries in neaitn sane— of so many of our industries in health care. maths— of so many of our industries in health care. maths allows you to saisuiate— health care. maths allows you to calculate dosages— health care. maths allows you to calculate dosages in retail data stitis— calculate dosages in retail data stitis attew— calculate dosages in retail data skills allow you _ calculate dosages in retail data skills allow you to _ calculate dosages in retail data skills allow you to analyse sates— skills allow you to analyse sates ant— skills allow you to analyse sales and calculate discounts ant— sales and calculate discounts ant tne— sales and calculate discounts ant tne sane— sales and calculate discounts and the same is— sales and calculate discounts and the same is true in all our taiiy— and the same is true in all our taiiy iives— and the same is true in all our daily lives from _ and the same is true in all our daily lives from managing neuseneit— daily lives from managing household budgets to understanding mobile phone sentrasts— understanding mobile phone contracts or— understanding mobile phone contracts or mortgages. now we atse— contracts or mortgages. now we aise knew— contracts or mortgages. now we aise tnew tne— contracts or mortgages. now we also know the batus benefit of natns— also know the batus benefit of natns ter— also know the batus benefit of maths for employability and earnings— maths for employability and earnings ,— maths for employability and earnings , even— maths for employability and earnings , even just basic earnings, even just basic numeracy skills can increase yeur— numeracy skills can increase yeur earnings— numeracy skills can increase yeur earnings ty— numeracy skills can increase your earnings by around £1,600 a year.— your earnings by around £1,600 a year. se— your earnings by around £1,600 a year. se put— your earnings by around £1,600 a year. se put sinpiy— your earnings by around £1,600 a year. so put simply, without a seiit— year. so put simply, without a solid foundation— year. so put simply, without a solid foundation in maths, our sniitren— solid foundation in maths, our

children risk— solid foundation in maths, our children risk being left behind, stut— children risk being left behind, snut eut— children risk being left behind, snut eut et— children risk being left behind, shut out of careers. they aspire to shut out of careers. they aspire te ant— shut out of careers. they aspire te ant tne— shut out of careers. they aspire to and the lives— shut out of careers. they aspire to and the lives that they want to and the lives that they want te teat.— to and the lives that they want te teat. wew— to and the lives that they want to lead. now in— to and the lives that they want to lead. now in the last decade or so, we've gone— to lead. now in the last decade or so, we've gone up ten places in tne— or so, we've gone up ten places in the international— or so, we've gone up ten places in the international league tattes— in the international league tattes ant— in the international league tables and maths has become the nest— tables and maths has become the nest pepuian— tables and maths has become the nest peputar et— tables and maths has become the most popular of all— tables and maths has become the most popular of all a—levels. nut— most popular of all a—levels. put its— most popular of all a—levels. but it's still— most popular of all a—levels. but it's still the— most popular of all a—levels. but it's still the case that the uk but it's still the case that the us is— but it's still the case that the us is ene— but it's still the case that the us is et— but it's still the case that the uk is one of the— but it's still the case that the uk is one of the least numerate eunties— uk is one of the least numerate eunties in— uk is one of the least numerate countries in the— uk is one of the least numerate countries in the developed went.— countries in the developed werit. tiere— countries in the developed world. more than 8 million atuits— world. more than 8 million adults have— world. more than 8 million adults have numeracy skills teiew— adults have numeracy skills below those _ adults have numeracy skills below those expected of a nine year— below those expected of a nine year eit— below those expected of a nine year eit ant— below those expected of a nine year old and around a third of yeung— year old and around a third of yeung peepte— year old and around a third of our young people don't pass natns— our young people don't pass natns eset— our young people don't pass maths, gcse ._ our young people don't pass maths, gcse . now, it's not that maths, gcse. now, it's not that net iust— maths, gcse. now, it's not that we're not just good enough at natns— we're not just good enough at maths, there's— we're not just good enough at maths, there's a— we're not just good enough at maths, there's a cultural issue nere— maths, there's a cultural issue nere tee.— maths, there's a cultural issue nere tee. tit— maths, there's a cultural issue here too. i'll be— maths, there's a cultural issue here too. i'll be honest, when my— here too. i'll be honest, when my twe— here too. i'll be honest, when my twe yeung— here too. i'll be honest, when my two young daughters first neait— my two young daughters first neant ne— my two young daughters first heard me talk— my two young daughters first heard me talk about them doing natns— heard me talk about them doing more maths, they— heard me talk about them doing more maths, they weren't too evsitet— more maths, they weren't too evsitet ant — more maths, they weren't too excited and that's just it. we mate— excited and that's just it. we make retes— excited and that's just it. we make jokes about not being able to make jokes about not being able te te— make jokes about not being able te te natns— make jokes about not being able te te natns .— make jokes about not being able to do maths. it's— make jokes about not being able to do maths . it's socially to do maths. it's socially asseptatie— to do maths. it's socially acceptable ._ to do maths. it's socially acceptable . we say things like, acceptable. we say things like, oh, acceptable. we say things like, on, natns— acceptable. we say things like, on, natns ,— acceptable. we say things like, on, natns , i— acceptable. we say things like, oh, maths , i can't— acceptable. we say things like, oh, maths , i can't do that. it's oh, maths, i can't do that. it's net— oh, maths, i can't do that. it's net ter— oh, maths, i can't do that. it's net ter ne— oh, maths, i can't do that. it's not for me and— oh, maths, i can't do that. it's not for me and everyone laughs. but not for me and everyone laughs.

nut we-t— not for me and everyone laughs. nut we-t neve— not for me and everyone laughs. but we'd never make a joke like tnat— but we'd never make a joke like tnat ateut— but we'd never make a joke like that about not— but we'd never make a joke like that about not being able to eat— that about not being able to eat .— that about not being able to eat . ee— that about not being able to read . so we've— that about not being able to read . so we've got to change read. so we've got to change tnis— read. so we've got to change we anti — read. so we've got to change this anti maths— read. so we've got to change this anti maths mindset. we've got this anti maths mindset. we've get te— this anti maths mindset. we've get te stan— this anti maths mindset. we've got to start prising numeracy for got to start prising numeracy ter wnat— got to start prising numeracy ter wnat it— got to start prising numeracy for what it is— got to start prising numeracy for what it is a— got to start prising numeracy for what it is a key skill, every— for what it is a key skill, every tit— for what it is a key skill, every tit as— for what it is a key skill, every bit as essential as eating.— every bit as essential as eating. se— every bit as essential as reading. so my campaign to transtern — reading. so my campaign to transform our— reading. so my campaign to transform our national approach to transform our national approach te natns— transform our national approach te natns is— transform our national approach to maths is not— transform our national approach to maths is not some nice to nave— to maths is not some nice to nave .— to maths is not some nice to nave . its— to maths is not some nice to have . it's about— to maths is not some nice to have . it's about changing how we have. it's about changing how we vaiue— have. it's about changing how we vaiue natns— have. it's about changing how we value maths in— have. it's about changing how we value maths in our— have. it's about changing how we value maths in our country and snanging— value maths in our country and snanging tne— value maths in our country and snanging tne way— value maths in our country and changing the way our education system — changing the way our education system werts— changing the way our education system works to _ changing the way our education system works to deliver it so tnat— system works to deliver it so tnat att— system works to deliver it so tnat ati eu— system works to deliver it so that all our children can get tnese— that all our children can get tnese vitai— that all our children can get these vital skills for life. now parents— these vital skills for life. now parents ant— these vital skills for life. now parents and teachers listening to parents and teachers listening te tnis— parents and teachers listening te tnis witt— parents and teachers listening to this will want— parents and teachers listening to this will want to know what tnat— to this will want to know what tnat eans— to this will want to know what that means for— to this will want to know what that means for our children tetay— that means for our children tetay. se— that means for our children tetay. se tet— that means for our children today. so let me tell you, we're in tne— today. so let me tell you, we're in tne pesess— today. so let me tell you, we're in the process of— today. so let me tell you, we're in the process of making maths more accessible— in the process of making maths more accessible ,_ in the process of making maths more accessible , building our more accessible, building our sniitren-s— more accessible, building our children's confidence so that tney— children's confidence so that tney ten-t— children's confidence so that they don't fear— children's confidence so that they don't fear maths . we're they don't fear maths. we're seating— they don't fear maths. we're creating more— they don't fear maths. we're creating more sector specific sentent— creating more sector specific content that _ creating more sector specific content that can— creating more sector specific content that can excite young peepte— content that can excite young peepte ateut— content that can excite young people about the _ content that can excite young people about the relevance of natns— people about the relevance of natns ter— people about the relevance of maths for the _ people about the relevance of maths for the careers that they aspire — maths for the careers that they aspire te — maths for the careers that they aspire te ,— maths for the careers that they aspire te , te— maths for the careers that they aspire to , to help— maths for the careers that they aspire to , to help teachers aspire to, to help teachers

tring— aspire to, to help teachers tring natns— aspire to, to help teachers bring maths to— aspire to, to help teachers bring maths to life in the classroom from building sets for ssneei— classroom from building sets for ssneet prays— classroom from building sets for ssneet ptays te— classroom from building sets for school plays to calculating the angies— school plays to calculating the angies et— school plays to calculating the angles of free— school plays to calculating the angles of free kicks or the speet— angles of free kicks or the speet et— angles of free kicks or the speet et a— angles of free kicks or the speed of a formula one car. were— speed of a formula one car. we're extending— speed of a formula one car. we're extending our maths hub's unigue— we're extending our maths hub's unique partnerships of expert ssneets— unique partnerships of expert ssneeis ,— unique partnerships of expert schools , those— unique partnerships of expert schools , those that support schools, those that support natns— schools, those that support maths, teaching , and we're maths, teaching, and we're strengthening— maths, teaching, and we're strengthening maths in primary ssneets— strengthening maths in primary schools, including with a new nutty— schools, including with a new nutty tuntet— schools, including with a new fully funded professional qualification— fully funded professional qualification for those that are teasning— qualification for those that are teasning it— qualification for those that are teasning it .— qualification for those that are teaching it. but— qualification for those that are teaching it. but we also qualification for those that are teaching it . but we also need to teaching it. but we also need to attress— teaching it. but we also need to attress a— teaching it. but we also need to attress a very— teaching it. but we also need to address a very specific problem tnat-s— address a very specific problem was sausing— address a very specific problem that's causing us— address a very specific problem that's causing us to fall behind the that's causing us to fall behind tne nest— that's causing us to fall behind tne nest et— that's causing us to fall behind the rest of the— that's causing us to fall behind the rest of the world. we are et— the rest of the world. we are et tne— the rest of the world. we are one of the few— the rest of the world. we are one of the few developed eunties— one of the few developed countries where young people ten-t— countries where young people don't routinely— countries where young people don't routinely study some form of don't routinely study some form et natns— don't routinely study some form et natns up— don't routinely study some form et natns up te— don't routinely study some form of maths up to the— don't routinely study some form of maths up to the age of 18, vnen— of maths up to the age of 18, wnen tney— of maths up to the age of 18, wnen tney te— of maths up to the age of 18, when they do it— of maths up to the age of 18, when they do it in australia, ia— when they do it in australia, can la france,— when they do it in australia, can la france, germany , finland, can la france, germany, finland, japane— can la france, germany, finland, japanr werway— can la france, germany, finland, japanr werway ant— can la france, germany, finland, japan, norway and america . why japan, norway and america. why sneuit— japan, norway and america. why sneuit we— japan, norway and america. why should we accept— japan, norway and america. why should we accept any less for our children— should we accept any less for our children ?_ should we accept any less for our children ? of— should we accept any less for our children ? of course we our children? of course we sneuitn-t— our children? of course we sneuitn-t .— our children? of course we shouldn't . that's why i set out shouldn't. that's why i set out in ianuary—

shouldn't. that's why i set out in ianuary tnat— shouldn't. that's why i set out in january that we're going to snange— in january that we're going to snange tne— in january that we're going to snange tne way— in january that we're going to change the way our system works so change the way our system works se tnat— change the way our system works so that everyone— change the way our system works so that everyone in— change the way our system works so that everyone in our country witt— so that everyone in our country witi stuty— so that everyone in our country will study some— so that everyone in our country will study some form of maths. all will study some form of maths. ait tne— will study some form of maths. ait tne way— will study some form of maths. ait tne way te— will study some form of maths. all the way to 18.— will study some form of maths. all the way to 18. but let me be atseiuteiy— all the way to 18. but let me be absolutely clear.— all the way to 18. but let me be absolutely clear. i— all the way to 18. but let me be absolutely clear. i am not saying— absolutely clear. i am not saying tnat— absolutely clear. i am not saying that the- absolutely clear. i am not saying that the answer is a—ievei— saying that the answer is a—level maths- saying that the answer is a—level maths for everyone, but we te— a—level maths for everyone, but we te neet— a—level maths for everyone, but we te neet te— a—level maths for everyone, but we do need to work— a—level maths for everyone, but we do need to work out the maths . eun— we do need to work out the maths . our yeung— we do need to work out the maths . our yeung peepte— we do need to work out the maths . our young people should study . se— . our young people should study . se geing— . our young people should study . so we're going to— . our young people should study . so we're going to look at what 16 . so we're going to look at what is te— . so we're going to look at what is te is— . so we're going to look at what is te is year— . so we're going to look at what 16 to 18 year olds— . so we're going to look at what 16 to 18 year olds around the went— 16 to 18 year olds around the wertt are— 16 to 18 year olds around the world are learning and we're going— world are learning and we're geing te— world are learning and we're going to listen— world are learning and we're going to listen to employers and ask tnen— going to listen to employers and ask them what— going to listen to employers and ask them what they say, the natns— ask them what they say, the maths skills _ ask them what they say, the maths skills are— ask them what they say, the maths skills are that they need ant— maths skills are that they need ant tnat-s— maths skills are that they need ant tnat-s wny— maths skills are that they need and that's why today i'm appeinting— and that's why today i'm appointing a_ and that's why today i'm appointing a new expert group wne— appointing a new expert group wne witt— appointing a new expert group wne witi neip— appointing a new expert group who will help us— appointing a new expert group who will help us identify the natns— who will help us identify the core maths content that our 16 to core maths content that our 16 te is— core maths content that our 16 te is year— core maths content that our 16 te is year eits— core maths content that our 16 to 18 year olds need and whether we neet— to 18 year olds need and whether we neet a— to 18 year olds need and whether we need a new specific qualification - we need a new specific qualification to support that . qualification to support that. put— qualification to support that. put te— qualification to support that. put te repeat— qualification to support that. but to repeat that will not be a—ievei— but to repeat that will not be a—level maths— but to repeat that will not be a—level maths for all. and let me— a—level maths for all. and let me aise— a—level maths for all. and let me aise te— a—level maths for all. and let me also be clear— a—level maths for all. and let me also be clear that we're not going— me also be clear that we're not geing te— me also be clear that we're not going to deliver—

me also be clear that we're not going to deliver this change evennignt— going to deliver this change evennignt ,— going to deliver this change overnight, but— going to deliver this change overnight , but we're going to deliver this change overnight, but we're going to nest— overnight, but we're going to nest te— overnight, but we're going to need to recruit— overnight, but we're going to need to recruit and train the natns— need to recruit and train the maths teachers _ need to recruit and train the maths teachers ._ need to recruit and train the maths teachers . we're going to maths teachers. we're going to weit— maths teachers. we're going to wert eut— maths teachers. we're going to wert eut new— maths teachers. we're going to work out how to— maths teachers. we're going to work out how to harness tesnnetegy— work out how to harness technology that we need to suppert— technology that we need to suppen tnen — technology that we need to support them and we'll need to mate— support them and we'll need to make sure that— support them and we'll need to make sure that this maths is attitienai— make sure that this maths is additional to— make sure that this maths is additional to other subjects, net— additional to other subjects, net insteat— additional to other subjects, not instead of— additional to other subjects, not instead of them just as here at tne— not instead of them just as here at tne tenten— not instead of them just as here at the london screen academy , at the london screen academy, tney— at the london screen academy, tney ten-t— at the london screen academy, they don't teach— at the london screen academy, they don't teach maths. instead of they don't teach maths. instead et tne— they don't teach maths. instead et tne arts.— they don't teach maths. instead of the arts. they— they don't teach maths. instead of the arts. they teach both tesause— of the arts. they teach both because they _ of the arts. they teach both because they are complementary arnie— because they are complementary annie net— because they are complementary arnie not contradictory . so it arnie not contradictory. so it witt— arnie not contradictory. so it witi tate— arnie not contradictory. so it will take time— arnie not contradictory. so it will take time to— arnie not contradictory. so it will take time to implement this snange— will take time to implement this strange. nut— will take time to implement this strange but we— will take time to implement this change. but we are— will take time to implement this change. but we are taking the tint— change. but we are taking the tinst step— change. but we are taking the first step today— change. but we are taking the first step today by identifying the first step today by identifying tne natns— first step today by identifying the maths content that will give our the maths content that will give ie— the maths content that will give is te— the maths content that will give is te is— the maths content that will give our 16 to 18 year— the maths content that will give our 16 to 18 year olds the skins— our 16 to 18 year olds the stitis tney— our 16 to 18 year olds the skills they need to get on in tite— skills they need to get on in its ant— skills they need to get on in life and when— skills they need to get on in life and when we have that, then wett— life and when we have that, then went sene— life and when we have that, then we'll come back— life and when we have that, then we'll come back with a detailed pian— we'll come back with a detailed pian te— we'll come back with a detailed plan to deliver— we'll come back with a detailed plan to deliver it— we'll come back with a detailed plan to deliver it ._ we'll come back with a detailed plan to deliver it. i'll just tinisn— plan to deliver it. i'll just tinisn en— plan to deliver it. i'll just finish on a— plan to deliver it. i'll just finish on a personal note. every eppenunity— finish on a personal note. every eppenunity tnat— finish on a personal note. every opportunity that i've had in tite— opportunity that i've had in its tegan— opportunity that i've had in life began with— opportunity that i've had in life began with the education tnat— life began with the education tnat i— life began with the education tnat i was— life began with the education that i was so— life began with the education that i was so fortunate to receive and— that i was so fortunate to receive and maths was a critical pari— receive and maths was a critical part et— receive and maths was a critical part et tnat— receive and maths was a critical pan et tnat .— receive and maths was a critical part of that . now,— receive and maths was a critical

part of that . now, i— receive and maths was a critical part of that . now, i knew it was part of that. now, i knew it was inpertant— part of that. now, i knew it was inpenant tnen— part of that. now, i knew it was important then, and when i look at new— important then, and when i look at new tne— important then, and when i look at how the world— important then, and when i look at how the world is— important then, and when i look at how the world is changing, it's at how the world is changing, its eniy— at how the world is changing, its enty geing— at how the world is changing, it's only going to— at how the world is changing, it's only going to be more inpenant— it's only going to be more important for— it's only going to be more important for my children and yeurs— important for my children and yeurs .— important for my children and yeurs . se— important for my children and yeurs . se i— important for my children and yours . so i won't— important for my children and yours . so i won't sit back and yours. so i won't sit back and aiiew— yours. so i won't sit back and attew tnis— yours. so i won't sit back and allow this cultural sense that it's allow this cultural sense that its etay— allow this cultural sense that its etay te— allow this cultural sense that it's okay to be— allow this cultural sense that it's okay to be bad at maths, to put— it's okay to be bad at maths, to put eu— it's okay to be bad at maths, to put our children— it's okay to be bad at maths, to put our children at— it's okay to be bad at maths, to put our children at a disadvantage. we've got to snange— disadvantage. we've got to snange tnis. — disadvantage. we've got to change this. we've got to value natns— change this. we've got to value natns ant— change this. we've got to value maths and what— change this. we've got to value maths and what it— change this. we've got to value maths and what it can do for our sniitren-s— maths and what it can do for our children's futures,— maths and what it can do for our children's futures, giving our sniitren— children's futures, giving our sniitren a— children's futures, giving our children a world— children's futures, giving our children a world class education is tne— children a world class education is tne singie— children a world class education is the single most— children a world class education is the single most important tning— is the single most important tning we— is the single most important tning we san— is the single most important thing we can do— is the single most important thing we can do . it's the thing we can do. it's the siesest— thing we can do. it's the closest thing— thing we can do. it's the closest thing we have to a siiven— closest thing we have to a silver bullet— closest thing we have to a silver bullet ._ closest thing we have to a silver bullet . the best economic silver bullet. the best economic peiisy— silver bullet. the best economic peiisy ,— silver bullet. the best economic peiisy , tne— silver bullet. the best economic peiisy , tne test— silver bullet. the best economic policy , the best social policy, policy, the best social policy, tne— policy, the best social policy, tne test— policy, the best social policy, the best moral— policy, the best social policy, the best moral policy. and tnat-s— the best moral policy. and was wny— the best moral policy. and that's why i'm— the best moral policy. and that's why i'm proud that it's peiisy. — that's why i'm proud that it's peiisy. ant— that's why i'm proud that it's our policy. and i— that's why i'm proud that it's our policy. and i will never step— our policy. and i will never step striving— our policy. and i will never stop striving to— our policy. and i will never stop striving to achieve it. inane— stop striving to achieve it. inant yeu— stop striving to achieve it. inant yeu .— stop striving to achieve it. thank you . so— stop striving to achieve it. thank you . so that was the prime thank you. so that was the prime minister. —

thank you. so that was the prime minister. we've— thank you. so that was the prime minister. we've still— thank you. so that was the prime minister. �*fvi�*izi cc grit thank you. so that was the prime minister. cc grit minister. we've still got tom harwood with us. tom. quite clever to link into that speech talking about people who want to work in the arts , drama, tv. work in the arts, drama, tv. a lot of young people do want to do that. pointing out that if you want to get a place in, perhaps bafta, you've got to be able to do maths. yes. and particularly giving this speech at the london screen academy particularly giving this speech atbigt london screen academy particularly giving this speech atbig sign don screen academy particularly giving this speech atbig sign tot screen academy particularly giving this speech atbig sign to thosezn academy particularly giving this speech atbig sign to those creative my a big sign to those creative industries saying you industries saying that if you want to creative industries, want to do creative industries, maths is complementary . arnie maths is complementary. arnie not contradictory . yeah,- maths is complementary. arnie not contradictory . yeah, i- arnie not contradictory . yeah, i think not contradictory. yeah, i think tnat-s— not contradictory. yeah, i think was a— not contradictory. yeah, i think was a tine— not contradictory. yeah, i think that's a line that— not contradictory. yeah, i think that's a line that we'll hear tnen— that's a line that we'll hear tren tne— that's a line that we'll hear from the prime— that's a line that we'll hear from the prime minister. a fair bitt— from the prime minister. a fair in, attneugn— from the prime minister. a fair bit, althoughldo_ from the prime minister. a fair bit, although do think he bit, although i do think he nignt— bit, although i do think he nignt-teen— bit, although i do think he might been overegging it might have been overegging it a tittie— might have been overegging it a iittielat— might have been overegging it a tittielat tne — might have been overegging it a little . at the -there - little bit at the end there saying— little bit at the end there saying tnat— little bit at the end there saying that this is as close as we nave— saying that this is as close as we nave te— saying that this is as close as we nave te a— saying that this is as close as we have to a silver bullet to fix inequality— we have to a silver bullet to fix inequality and deprivation ant— fix inequality and deprivation ant sesiai— fix inequality and deprivation and social issues and all the rest— and social issues and all the nest et— and social issues and all the nest et it.— and social issues and all the rest of it. i'm— and social issues and all the rest of it. i'm not— and social issues and all the rest of it. i'm not sure that natns— rest of it. i'm not sure that natns tn— rest of it. i'm not sure that maths i'm not— rest of it. i'm not sure that maths i'm not sure a basic sort of maths i'm not sure a basic sort et natt— maths i'm not sure a basic sort of half qualification in maths for of half qualification in maths ter twe— of half qualification in maths for two more— of half qualification in maths for two more years will really fix for two more years will really tia att— for two more years will really tia ati et— for two more years will really fix all of that.— for two more years will really fix all of that. it's not that panaea tut— fix all of that. it's not that panacea, but he- fix all of that. it's not that panacea, but he did make a very inpertant— panacea, but he did make a very inpenant peint— panacea, but he did make a very important point about all these etner— important point about all these other countries— important point about all these other countries around the went.— other countries around the world. some— other countries around the world. some form of maths to 18. i world. some form of maths to 18. i ean— world. some form of maths to 18. i tne— world. some form of maths to 18. i mean the statistics—

world. some form of maths to 18. i mean the statistics that we given— i mean the statistics that we were given there,— i mean the statistics that we were given there, 8 million atuits— were given there, 8 million atuits tnat— were given there, 8 million adults that have the numeracy stitis— adults that have the numeracy skills expected _ adults that have the numeracy skills expected of— adults that have the numeracy skills expected of a nine year eit— skills expected of a nine year eit. eut— skills expected of a nine year eit. nut yeu— skills expected of a nine year old. but you see— skills expected of a nine year old. but you see this is that is so old. but you see this is that is se tets— old. but you see this is that is se tets et— old. but you see this is that is se tets et yeu— old. but you see this is that is so lots of you at— old. but you see this is that is so lots of you at home have been getting— so lots of you at home have been getting in— so lots of you at home have been getting in touch. _ so lots of you at home have been getting in touch. thank you for that. they like it. and you apparently you like it. so donna said, having tried to help my grandchildren with maths, the syllabus too complex for syllabus is too complex for bafic syllabus is too complex for basic they get left basic maths. they get left behind when behind with concepts when they cannot handle simple numbers. that i think is the that done though, i think is the point. not getting the point. they're not getting the bafics point. they're not getting the basics. able basics. we should be able to provide maths education provide good maths education until leave school at 16, al until you leave school at 16, al says. excellent idea creates atert— says. excellent idea creates atert-iegisai— excellent idea creates alert logical thinking alert fast logical thinking tasts— alert fast logical thinking facts, opinions . something facts, not opinions. something we—we- facts, not opinions. something we—we neet| we miss nowadays. we need enineegrs— we miss nowadays. we need. engineers-production. engineers and solid production. iiayte—sennanyi engineers and solid production.- maybe_germany. tom maybe catch up with germany. tom you maybe catch up with germany. tom yeu-eariier— maybe catch up with germany. tom yeu-eariien tnis— maybe catch up with germany. tom you-earlier this is— maybe catch up with germany. tom you earlier this is cutting you said earlier this is cutting tnneugn— you said earlier this is cutting tnneugn ant— you said earlier this is cutting through and that— you said earlier this is cutting through and that number 10 we knew— through and that number 10 we know extensive. _ through and that number 10 we know extensive. private know extensive. we do private petting— know extensive. we do private petting-tesus— know extensive. we do private polling focus groups and polling and focus groups and tney— polling and focus groups and tney-tne— polling and focus groups and they-the prime- polling and focus groups and they the prime minister they clearly the prime minister tnints— they clearly the prime minister tnints tnis— they clearly the prime minister thinks this is— they clearly the prime minister thinks this is going to pay tivitents. — thinks this is going to pay dividends. i— thinks this is going to pay dividends. i think so. i think tnere— dividends. i think so. i think there might have been a little bit surprised by how much it cut through three months and through three months ago. and a really down let's really doubling down now, let's not is after a week not forget, this is after a week of in which number 10 sort of which in which number 10 sort of which in which number 10 sort of their grid strategy .

of lost their grid strategy. within 10, they have a within number 10, they have a planning grid with what they would like the to be would like the media to be talking about on each given day of week. and they schedule of the week. and they schedule their announcements and speeches and proposals to fit that and policy proposals to fit that grid. and ultimately last week they completely lost control. the labour party was dominating discussions. were talking all discussions. we were talking all about these controversial attack ads labour, which i think ads from labour, which i think they were delighted so much free advertising for the labour party. but ithink advertising for the labour party. but i think that party. but tom, i think that witt— party. but tom, i think that witi nave— but tom, i think that will have damaged labour long term— will have damaged labour long term because— will have damaged labour long term because starmer's term because keir starmer's wneie—tuinl whole pitch is safe, dull, tering— whole pitch is safe, dull, boring, nice— whole pitch is safe, dull, boring, nice guy. the nice guy tning—tne- boring, nice guy. the nice guyi thing—the window boring, nice guy. the nice guy- thing_the window by thing has gone out the window by suggesting— thing has gone out the window by suggesting-ats- thing has gone out the window by suggesting-ads-hel suggesting in those ads that he signet— suggesting in those ads that he signet-sunat- suggesting in those ads that he signed sunak supports signed off rishi sunak supports not signed off rishi sunak supports net-testet— signed off rishi sunak supports net-testet up.— signed off rishi sunak supports not locked up. ridiculous. not being locked up. ridiculous. wnen— not being locked up. ridiculous. when-director- not being locked up. ridiculous. when director public when he was director of public prosecutions,— when he was director of public prosecutions, which changed the nutes— prosecutions, which changed the nutes en— prosecutions, which changed the rules on sentencing, which is why— rules on sentencing, which is wny—ten-t- rules on sentencing, which is wny—ten-t getl rules on sentencing, which is- why_don't get locked why so many sex don't get locked up- — why so many sex don't get locked up. ves— why so many sex don't get locked up. yes, yeure— why so many sex don't get locked up. “cit? ”iii: why so many sex don't get locked up. 4155 g up. yes, you're completely right . but do you know what we're just talking about? soft just talking about? the soft touch that united kingdom touch that the united kingdom has now, which was what has to crime now, which was what labour wanted to talk about all of we're back onto of last week. we're back onto that conversation because they of last week. we're back onto thatthisversation because they of last week. we're back onto thatthis riskytion because they of last week. we're back onto thatthis risky strategyiuse they of last week. we're back onto thatthis risky strategy . se they of last week. we're back onto thatthis risky strategy . in they of last week. we're back onto thatthis risky strategy . in some did this risky strategy. in some ways, it's a vote leave style

strategy back the strategy back from the referendum. you throw a big controversial claim out there and people attack it and say, well, actually in this specific or perhaps a rebate or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. but do know what blah. but do you know what you're about? you're talking about? the talking the first talking point in the first place, is frankly in this place, which is frankly in this country, enough criminals country, not enough criminals are to prison. they country, not enough criminals are too to prison. they country, not enough criminals are too little to prison. they country, not enough criminals are too little timeison. they country, not enough criminals are too little time behind ey have too little time behind closed bars keir starmer closed bars and us keir starmer drop those sentencing guidelines. he was on that committee and rishi sunak wasn't even sunak is even an mp, but rishi sunak is the prime minister today. and ultimately that's people ultimately that's what people will that will take home from that conversation. so the labour party dominated that party really dominated that conversation week. maths is conversation last week. maths is something that really cuts through sort of through people sort of understand maths to 18 is understand how maths to 18 is something that delivers dividends in the workplace. i gave the first opportunity, titn-t— gave the first opportunity, titn-t yeun— gave the first opportunity, didn't you? maths i: i: [11253 didn't you? maths i did the gcse where you could only get a c and i got a c. that was the limit of my maths ability. i hated it. but gordon makes a good point. thank you, gordon. he says as we move away from cash and kids are now given they don't know

now given cards, they don't know bafic now given cards, they don't know basic i see it every day basic maths. i see it every day in shop i work in. the kids in the shop i work in. the kids throw their cash on the counter when they have a card and when they don't have a card and they the cashier do they expect the cashier to do they expect the cashier to do the for them. so really the maths for them. so a really good gordon. worked in good point, gordon. i worked in a shop and you a greengrocer shop and you couldn't add the till, so couldn't add up on the till, so you to add up yourself. you had to add up yourself. yeah, and that's how you did it in yeun— yeah, and that's how you did it in yew-en— yeah, and that's how you did it in yeur-er en— yeah, and that's how you did it in your-or on the- yeah, and that's how you did it in your or on the brown in your head or on the brown paper.— in your head or on the brown paper-ant— in your head or on the brown paper. and occasionally paper. and, and occasionally peepte—eniy- paper. and, and occasionally- peepte—eniy-tnat people said, what only gets that must. — people said, what only gets that must. -teusn- people said, what only gets that much. -touch wood.- much. yeah. and touch wood. i att— much. yeah. and touch wood. i att nignt. — much. yeah. and touch wood. i was all right. i— much. yeah. and touch wood. i was all right. i was all right. i mean i know i've been sitting here saying it doesn't matter that i'm not saying it doesn't matter, but i'm saying terms i'm saying in terms of priorities, because tell my priorities, because i tell my kids time, if you're in kids all the time, if you're in a shop and it says 30% off, you've out what your you've got to work out what your bargain going to be 30. so bargain is going to be in 30. so they need some basics. but get that high school, get that right at high school, get it at primary school even, it right at primary school even, but don't everybody to do but don't force everybody to do it 18. they're getting it until 18. they're not getting it until 18. they're not getting h young it until 18. they're not getting it young that's it right young enough. that's why to do this. why they're having to do this. oh, i thought that was quite clever, he brought clever, though, how he brought in he did. and he's in the arts. he did. and he's got— in the arts. he did. and he's getlspring— in the arts. he did. and he's getlspring in— in the arts. he did. and he's gotlspring in his- i he did. and he's got spring in his step, hasn't got a spring in his step, hasn't nee— got a spring in his step, hasn't nee at— got a spring in his step, hasn't nee at tne— got a spring in his step, hasn't he? at the -the- got a spring in his step, hasn't he? at the the prime he? at the moment the prime gripe..— he? at the moment the prime minister tne— he? at the moment the prime minister, the last— he? at the moment the prime minister, the last months

minister, the last two months we've-a number. minister, the last two months we've a number of we've looked at a number of peiis— we've looked at a number of pews-its— we've looked at a number of polls-it's really- we've looked at a number of polls it's really difficult polls and it's really difficult teeting—petisl looking at individual polls tesause— looking at individual polls. because—noise because there's a lot of noise pius— because there's a lot of noise pius en— because there's a lot of noise ptus en —2— because there's a lot of noise ptus er —2 en— because there's a lot of noise plus or —2 or 3. _ because there's a lot of noise plus or —2 or 3. /i:ii. er?" g plus or —2 or 3. you can't really tell the direction, but various looked various aggregators have looked at of all the at the direction of all the polls the companies. at the direction of all the pollithere the companies. at the direction of all the pollithere is the companies. at the direction of all the pollithere is a the companies. at the direction of all the pollithere is a slow,)mpanies. at the direction of all the pollithere is a slow, steadyzs. and there is a slow, steady decline in the vote. decline in the labour vote. we're no longer seeing point we're no longer seeing 20 point leads. or leads. they're closer to 15 or 10% leads, ten point leads. but and climbing and the tory vote is climbing ever slightly up to sort of ever so slightly up to sort of around you know, around 30, whereas, you know, a few 20 few months ago it was nearer 20 still a considerable lead for the labour party. mustn't the labour party. we mustn't forget in this forget that in this conversation. keir starmer is still miles ahead at ten points is very large lead. it would is a very large lead. it would lead to labour majority lead to a labour majority government, but but the direction of travel is showing that very slowly . very surely that very slowly. very surely the conservatives lviv party is eating up in those polls. and ultimately we've heard all of these stories last week about when the general election might be. and if we're looking at something perhaps in october 2024, one and a half more years of this slow, steady creep in the polls, perhaps there's a path here that the conservatives

have a shot and his own approval ratings now sometimes are higher than than starmers. yes , i think than than starmers. yes, i think the than than starmers. yes, i think tne aggregate— than than starmers. yes, i think the aggregate picture— yes, i think the aggregate picture still stews— the aggregate picture still shows starmer a little bit ateve— shows starmer a little bit ateve tut— shows starmer a little bit above, but ultimately that's tesause— above, but ultimately that's because the _ above, but ultimately that's because the negatives for sunak are because the negatives for sunak nigger— because the negatives for sunak tigger at— because the negatives for sunak are bigger at the— because the negatives for sunak are bigger at the moment than the are bigger at the moment than tne negatives— are bigger at the moment than the negatives for— are bigger at the moment than the negatives for starmer. the interesting — the negatives for starmer. the interesting thing— the negatives for starmer. the interesting thing about boris johnson, his negatives were always very high about half always very high with about half of electorate. do of the electorate. but do you know what of the know what if half of the electorate view negatively electorate view you negatively that almost doesn't matter. the number view you positively number who view you positively is what matters. the net is what matters. so the net figure some extent matters figure to some extent matters less than the than raw less than the than the raw positive figure because it's about is going turn out about who is going to turn out to vote for you. yeah although the only caveat that is if the only caveat to that is if your coalesces around your opposition coalesces around one opponent, then that becomes a problem. that's what we saw with may. yeah. and with theresa may. yeah. and there with theresa may. yeah. and tnene seuit— with theresa may. yeah. and there could be— with theresa may. yeah. and there could be lcould- yeah. and there could be could just be yeah. and therrgreat d be could just be yeah. and therrgreat bigz could just be yeah. and therrgreat big toryould just be yeah. and therrgreat big tory scandal. be yeah. and therrgreat big tory scandal. they one great big tory scandal. they do. one great big tory scandal. they te—iney- one great big tory scandal. they te—iney te| do. they are. they do. they do s-ennete— do. they are. they do. they do come-to time.- do. they are. they do. they do come -to time. tomi do. they are. they do. they do. come -to time. tom and come from time to time. tom and it-te— come from time to time. tom and it-te-steps— come from time to time. tom and it-be-steps forward,- it could be two steps forward, tnree— it could be two steps forward, tnnee past. — it could be two steps forward, three back. it— it could be two steps forward, three back. g f: ' i: three back. it could. and one of the big things that focus groups have picking up the have been picking up on in the last few weeks is how often people years.

people say, you've had 13 years. yes. whatever the problem is yes. so whatever the problem is in country, one of the in the country, one of the big responses repeated people in responses repeated by people in these you've had these focus groups is you've had 13 never heard that 13 years. we never heard that with boris johnson in 2019. bods with boris johnson in 2019. boris johnson made it sound fresh despite the conservatives in one form or another. granted, without a majority for almost all of the time that they were in power for those nine years. bods in power for those nine years. boris johnson made it sound like this government, this was a new government, a fresh government. he didn't have this was a new government, a fresbaggage nent. he didn't have this was a new government, a fresbaggage ofnt. he didn't have this was a new government, a fresbaggage of those didn't have this was a new government, a fresbaggage of those previousive the baggage of those previous years extent. rishi years to some extent. rishi sunak peculiarly does have the baggage despite not being an mp in and more people did in 2015. and if more people did mass for longer time, they could use words like aggregate in casual conversation and know what they meant. indeed . so what they meant. indeed. so thank-thanks,- what they meant. indeed. so thank-thanks, tom. - indeed. so thank thanks, tom. good what they meant. indeed. so. thank-thanks, tom. good to thank you. thanks, tom. good to tatt— thank you. thanks, tom. good to tart—sene- thank you. thanks, tom. good to talk—some people| talk to you. right. some people wne— talk to you. right. some people wne pretatiy— talk to you. right. some people who probably would suggest that the government— who probably would suggest that the government very good the government aren't very good at—tne— the government aren't very good at—tne nurses- at their maths is the nurses. t hsy— at their maths is the nurses. iney—te- at their maths is the nurses.| they _to strike they could continue to strike untit— they could continue to strike until christmas— they could continue to strike until christmas unless deal until christmas unless a deal sanlreasnet— until christmas unless a deal sanlreasnet .— until christmas unless a deal can-reached . a- until christmas unless a deal can reached . a trade union can be reached. a trade union teater— can be reached. a trade union teater nas— can be reached. a trade union leader has warned now , this is leader has warned now, this is tne— leader has warned now, this is tne-settege— leader has warned now, this is the college nursing, the royal college of nursing, wnese— the royal college of nursing,i whose—negotiators whose professional negotiators resennnnenett— whose professional negotiators recommended the nurses, accepted the recommended the nurses, accepted tne—tney— recommended the nurses, accepted the—they narrowly- the pay offer. they narrowly didn't. 54% voted against, 46%

for, but only on a turnout of 61. so we've now got another 48 hour strike coming over the may bank holiday weekend. that's right. so joining us now is juua right. so joining us now is julia taylor , a psychiatric julia taylor, a psychiatric nurse to give us her opinion on the ongoing situation. good morning, julia . we've- d g " good morning, julia . we've spoken morning, julia. we've spoken tetere.— morning, julia. we've spoken tetere. its— morning, julia. we've spoken before. it's lovely to see you. ant— before. it's lovely to see you. ant i— before. it's lovely to see you. ant i knew— before. it's lovely to see you. and i know that— before. it's lovely to see you. and i know that you are not in suppert— and i know that you are not in suppen et— and i know that you are not in support of these— and i know that you are not in support of these strikes . do you support of these strikes. do you stit— support of these strikes. do you stiti teet— support of these strikes. do you still feel the _ support of these strikes. do you still feel the same— support of these strikes. do you still feel the same way ? o" tit" still feel the same way? oh oh, not still feel the same way? oh oh, net reatiy. — still feel the same way? oh oh, not really. believe— still feel the same way? oh oh, not really. believe it- still feel the same way? oh oh, not really. believe it or- still feel the same way? o" tit" ”tie;g believe it or not, not really. believe it or not, tesause— not really. believe it or not, because what _ not really. believe it or not, because what we're- ”tie;g believe it or not, because what we're trying to do is— because what we're trying to do now is we're trying— because what we're trying to do now is we're trying to save the wus— now is we're trying to save the wne ty— now is we're trying to save the wne ty striking— now is we're trying to save the nhs by striking not just the , iust— nhs by striking not just the nurses , just the— nhs by striking not just the nurses , just the doctors. it's nurses, just the doctors. it's tne— nurses, just the doctors. it's tne wneie— nurses, just the doctors. it's the whole nhs— nurses, just the doctors. it's the whole nhs ._ nurses, just the doctors. it's the whole nhs . there's a bigger the whole nhs. there's a bigger pisture— the whole nhs. there's a bigger pisture .— the whole nhs. there's a bigger pisture . egg,— the whole nhs. there's a bigger pisture . satiy, i— the whole nhs. there's a bigger picture . sadly, i think we're picture. sadly, i think we're going— picture. sadly, i think we're geing te— picture. sadly, i think we're going to looking greedy in the issu— going to looking greedy in the rest tesause— going to looking greedy in the rcn because we've voted to strike — rcn because we've voted to strike again— rcn because we've voted to strike again and— rcn because we've voted to strike again and not accept that pay strike again and not accept that pay enter.— strike again and not accept that pay enter. nut— strike again and not accept that pay offer. but it's— strike again and not accept that pay offer. but it's great the pay— pay offer. but it's great the pay enter— pay offer. but it's great the pay enter ,— pay offer. but it's great the pay enter , ete— pay offer. but it's great the pay offer , 5% pay rise and a bit pay offer, 5% pay rise and a bit of pay offer, 5% pay rise and a bit et a— pay offer, 5% pay rise and a bit et a tunp— pay offer, 5% pay rise and a bit et a tunp sun— pay offer, 5% pay rise and a bit of a lump sum in— pay offer, 5% pay rise and a bit of a lump sum in the bank. remnant,— of a lump sum in the bank. brilliant, but— of a lump sum in the bank. brilliant, but that's just a tiny— brilliant, but that's just a tiny tittie— brilliant, but that's just a tiny little plug and that's all teing— tiny little plug and that's all teing .—

tiny little plug and that's all we're doing . it's— tiny little plug and that's all we're doing . it's not going to we're doing. it's not going to serve— we're doing. it's not going to solve anything— we're doing. it's not going to solve anything ._ we're doing. it's not going to solve anything . i— we're doing. it's not going to solve anything . i do think we solve anything. i do think we sneuit— solve anything. i do think we should strike— solve anything. i do think we should strike now, believe it or not:— should strike now, believe it or net, tesause— should strike now, believe it or not, because i've— should strike now, believe it or not, because i've said strike i— not, because i've said strike i stit— not, because i've said strike one. i still there's a part of ne— one. i still there's a part of ne stit— one. i still there's a part of me still thinks— one. i still there's a part of me still thinks we should pretest— me still thinks we should pretest te— me still thinks we should protest to but— me still thinks we should protest to but like mean the pnetests— protest to but like mean the pretests in— protest to but like mean the protests in france, not the vieient— protests in france, not the violent the _ protests in france, not the violent the people that are pro ant— violent the people that are pro ant i— violent the people that are pro ant i ten-t— violent the people that are pro and i don't mean— violent the people that are pro and i don't mean the violence at all and i don't mean the violence at ati tut— and i don't mean the violence at ati put it— and i don't mean the violence at ati put it we— and i don't mean the violence at all but if we did— and i don't mean the violence at all but if we did that in this seuntry— all but if we did that in this seuntry, i— all but if we did that in this seuntry, i te— all but if we did that in this country, i do think would would get somewhere— country, i do think would would get somewhere with the government _ get somewhere with the government but julia, 40% of nurses didn't— government but julia, 40% of nurses didn't even vote in the taitet. — nurses didn't even vote in the ballot. that's— nurses didn't even vote in the ballot. that's an— nurses didn't even vote in the ballot. that's an awful lot of people, of your colleagues just turn their back on it wanted nothing to do with it. so in the end, you've got 54% supporting the rejecting the offer on a turnout of only 61. it's less than half. yeah well, i'm not very good at maths. no , i. you very good at maths. no, i. you need to listen to the prime minister. we're all going to be good at math soon, so you should be ashamed of that. rishi sunak says tetay. — be ashamed of that. rishi sunak says tetay. i— be ashamed of that. rishi sunak says today. i know— be ashamed of that. rishi sunak says today. i know. _ : rishi sunak says today. i know . pairing be ashamed of that. rishi sunak says today. i know. exactly. no, you're right. it's like half. but still, people that did vote,

it counts. it's got to count democracy, isn't it? so yeah, yeah . and it's just difficult yeah. and it's just difficult because, you know , somebody who because, you know, somebody who left the nurses training to go and work in an agency to get more money as a doing four nights a week, then the wood is a qualified nurse . what does a qualified nurse. what does that tell you? yeah i'm really surprised. julia . i'm so surprised. julia. i'm so surpriset— surprised. julia. i'm so surprised to— surprised. julia. i'm so surprised to hear- : julia. i'm so surprised to hear you say that yeuve— surprised to hear you say that yeuve snanget— surprised to hear you say that you've changed your mind on ttis— you've changed your mind on tnis. i— you've changed your mind on tnis. i tnint— you've changed your mind on this. i think that's fascinating. i think we've this. i think that's— fascinating. i think we've been snatting— fascinating. i think we've been snatting te— fascinating. i think we've been chatting to each— fascinating. i think we've been chatting to each other since ateut— chatting to each other since about september, of chatting to each other since- about september,-of last about september, october of last year— about september, october of last year-se— about september, october of last yearlse wews— about september, october of last year gb news news. so what year on gb news news. so what nave— year on gb news news. so what nave yeu— year on gb news news. so what nave yeu seen— year on gb news news. so what have you seen change in that time— have you seen change in that time s— have you seen change in that time ewnat— have you seen change in that time ? what is— have you seen change in that time 7 what is it— have you seen change in that time ? what is it like within the time? what is it like within the wus— time? what is it like within the wne new— time? what is it like within the wne i— time? what is it like within the nhs now? i think— time? what is it like within the nhs now? i think what you're saying— nhs now? i think what you're saying is— nhs now? i think what you're saying is its— nhs now? i think what you're saying is it's just— nhs now? i think what you're saying is it's just got so bad ant— saying is it's just got so bad ant in— saying is it's just got so bad ant in tnat— saying is it's just got so bad and in that last— saying is it's just got so bad and in that last six months that senetning— and in that last six months that senetning nas— and in that last six months that something has to— and in that last six months that something has to be done. yeah where— something has to be done. yeah wnere i— something has to be done. yeah wnere i wart— something has to be done. yeah where i work again,— something has to be done. yeah where i work again, i'll- something has to be done. yeah where i work again, i'll say- where i work again, i'll say this i'm lucky. i've got a great team and honestly, i couldn't ask for more. but some of my

friends, some of my other colleagues who work within the nhs, they are struggling. they're working short shifts that that where there's not enough nurses, they've got agency nurses that are coming in that aren't skilled in that particular area . so they're particular area. so they're having to basically teach them what they want them to do . what they want them to do. there's people leaving nurses like the nurses training left, right and centre people have had enough, not just about money and make that clear. enough, not just about money and make that clear . we are trying make that clear. we are trying to get more nurses in the nhs . to get more nurses in the nhs. if we were greedy, would go and join an agency. but we're not doing that . we're sticking with doing that. we're sticking with the nhs . we're trying to get the the nhs. we're trying to get the nhs right . the nhs. we're trying to get the nhs right. but the nhs. we're trying to get the nhs right . but we the nhs. we're trying to get the nhs right. but we can't. if there's not enough people. yeah. and the only way we're going to get new people is to up the pay . and also expressed the fact that student nurses, i'll say it again on the session with £60,000 worth of debt for doctors what incentive is there for people to come and join the wonderful nhs? there's

absolutely. all right, julia , absolutely. all right, julia, tnant— absolutely. all right, julia, tnant yeu— absolutely. all right, julia, tnant yeu se— absolutely. all right, julia, thank you so much.- dig all right, julia, thank you so much. the line was treating— thank you so much. the line was treating up— thank you so much. the line was treating up a— thank you so much. the line was breaking up a little— thank you so much. the line was breaking up a little bit there. iutia— breaking up a little bit there. iutia iayter— breaking up a little bit there. julia taylor there . the idea julia taylor there. the idea tnat— julia taylor there. the idea tnat-teave- julia taylor there. the idea that-leave their- julia taylor there. the idea that leave their training that nurses leave their training witn— that nurses leave their training witn tnat— that nurses leave their training with that much— that nurses leave their training with that much debt is a tisgrase— with that much debt is a disgrace-it's- with that much debt is a disgrace g g with that much debt is a- disgrace.|t's appalling. they disgrace. it's appalling. they used to be bursaries for nurses which they used to be bursaries for nurses which be they used to be bursaries for nurses which be back they used to be bursaries for nurses which be back pretty they used to be bursaries for nurses which be back pretty quick. hey used to be bursaries for nurses which be back pretty quick. but should be back pretty quick. but nurses are going to start on a very salary. how they very low salary. how are they ever £60,000 ever going to pay the £60,000 off if they're only being paid 28,000 to start with? tom, i sense, though, that despite this vote rcn to go to vote by the rcn not to go to continue the industrial action, i think ministers are more relaxed than we would relaxed about this than we would have because know have expected because we know that the unison 200,000 voted their 71% in favour. there's two more votes coming. there's clearly a split within the rcn and their own professional negotiators to nurses to negotiators said to nurses to accept the offer and they didn't narrowly , but fewer than half narrowly, but fewer than half voted for it. and now they've taken in another strike. taken us out. in another strike. yes, very difficult pat yes, it's very difficult for pat suiten — yes, it's very difficult for pat cullen-needs- yes, it's very difficult for pat cullen - needs the - yes, it's very difficult for pat cullen needs the rcn? who cullen who needs the rcn? who tett— cullen who needs the rcn? who told-members— cullen who needs the rcn? who told-members vote- cullen who needs the rcn? who told members vote for this told her members vote for this teat— told her members vote for this teat .— told her members vote for this teat . ant— told her members vote for this deal . and the— told her members vote for this deal . and the-it- told her members vote for this deal . and the it was deal. and the and it was a narrow vote— deal. and the and it was a narrow vote against of course unisen— narrow vote against of course wnisen vetet— narrow vote against of course unison voted in— narrow vote against of course unison voted in favour. there are more to come.- unison voted in favour. there are more to come. the government to

are more to come. the government te see— are more to come. the government te extent— are more to come. the government te extent is— are more to come. the government to some extent is hoping the rcn will to some extent is hoping the rcn witi te— to some extent is hoping the rcn witi te tert— to some extent is hoping the rcn will be left out— to some extent is hoping the rcn will be left out in— to some extent is hoping the rcn will be left out in the cold and all will be left out in the cold and ati et— will be left out in the cold and ati et tnese— will be left out in the cold and all of those other— will be left out in the cold and all of those other nhs workers witt— all of those other nhs workers witi-tnis— all of those other nhs workers will-this deal— all of those other nhs workers will this deal that even will back this deal that even tne— will back this deal that even tne itsn-s— will back this deal that even the ch's own— will back this deal that even the ch's own negotiators said it was— the ch's own negotiators said it a— the ch's own negotiators said it a tan— the ch's own negotiators said it was a fair offer— the ch's own negotiators said it was a fair offer ._ the ch's own negotiators said it was a fair offer . and i think it was a fair offer. and i think et— it was a fair offer. and i think et tne— it was a fair offer. and i think one of the difficulties here for the one of the difficulties here for tne issu — one of the difficulties here for tne issu is— one of the difficulties here for the rcn is they— one of the difficulties here for the rcn is they might look a tittie— the rcn is they might look a iittie tit— the rcn is they might look a little bit extreme . yeah, not little bit extreme. yeah, not iust— little bit extreme. yeah, not iust tesause— little bit extreme. yeah, not just because they're promising to just because they're promising te strite— just because they're promising to strike again,— just because they're promising to strike again, but for the tint— to strike again, but for the tinst tine— to strike again, but for the first time ever— to strike again, but for the first time ever to strike with no mitigations_ first time ever to strike with no mitigations ,_ first time ever to strike with no mitigations , to strike with no mitigations, to strike with no mitigations, to strike with ne suppert— no mitigations, to strike with ne suppen ten— no mitigations, to strike with no support for intensive care units— no support for intensive care units ,— no support for intensive care units , ne— no support for intensive care units , no support for emergency units, no support for emergency ant— units, no support for emergency care and no support for cancer . tnese— care and no support for cancer care . these were— care and no support for cancer care . these were the clear care. these were the clear nitigatiens— care. these were the clear mitigations that the responsible teatensnip— mitigations that the responsible teatersnip et— mitigations that the responsible leadership of the— mitigations that the responsible leadership of the rcn set out for leadership of the rcn set out ter tnein— leadership of the rcn set out for their first— leadership of the rcn set out for their first strikes, meaning tnat— for their first strikes, meaning tnatwe— for their first strikes, meaning that we weren't— for their first strikes, meaning that we weren't turning off peepte-s— that we weren't turning off peepte-s tite— that we weren't turning off people's life support machines. i people's life support machines. i tnint— people's life support machines. i tnint tnis— people's life support machines. i think this is— people's life support machines. i think this is a— people's life support machines. i think this is a really this is a easy— i think this is a really this is a really dangerous point here in terms— a really dangerous point here in terms et— a really dangerous point here in terms et tne— a really dangerous point here in terms of the balance of public synpatny. — terms of the balance of public synpatny. it— terms of the balance of public synpatny. it tne— terms of the balance of public sympathy. if the rcn starts to teet— sympathy. if the rcn starts to ieet tite— sympathy. if the rcn starts to ieet iite it— sympathy. if the rcn starts to look like it is— sympathy. if the rcn starts to look like it is being more etree— look like it is being more extreme and— look like it is being more extreme and less reasonable than all extreme and less reasonable than ati tnese— extreme and less reasonable than all those other— extreme and less reasonable than all those other unions and all tnese— all those other unions and all tnese etner— all those other unions and all those other health care professionals- those other health care professionals , that becomes professionals, that becomes a neat— professionals, that becomes a neat issue— professionals, that becomes a neat ter— professionals, that becomes a real issue for them and it's going— real issue for them and it's geing te— real issue for them and it's going to another ballot quite

it— going to another ballot quite soon. it certainly— going to another ballot quite soon. it certainly is. and i tnint— soon. it certainly is. and i tnint ene— soon. it certainly is. and i think one of— soon. it certainly is. and i think one of the one of the peints— think one of the one of the peints nere— think one of the one of the points here-that- think one of the one of the points here that there is points here is that there is tnis— points here is that there is this-building- points here is that there is. this-buildingithat this pressure building up that if this pressure building up that it wne— this pressure building up that it wne teets— this pressure building up that if who looks like— this pressure building up that if who looks like the reasonable party— if who looks like the reasonable party in— if who looks like the reasonable pany in tnis— if who looks like the reasonable party in this negotiation and up untit— party in this negotiation and up untit tnis— party in this negotiation and up until this point,— party in this negotiation and up until this point, the government has until this point, the government nas trantiy— until this point, the government has frankly looked less reasonable.— has frankly looked less reasonable. yeah, but the given the reasonable. yeah, but the given tne peint— reasonable. yeah, but the given the point where— reasonable. yeah, but the given the point where where more and peepte— the point where where more and peepte are— the point where where more and more people are accepting this gag,— more people are accepting this deal, tney— more people are accepting this deal, they might— more people are accepting this deal, they might look like the more reasonable— deal, they might look like the more reasonable ones. eigfilii more reasonable ones. i agree witn— more reasonable ones. i agree with-inant— more reasonable ones. i agree with thank you, thank with you. thank you, tom. thank you. coming you. keep your messages coming this at this morning, gb views at gbnews.uk email address. gbnews.uk is the email address. we'll them and we'll be looking at them and also birth rate is also the uk's birth rate is declining . do you know why? no , declining. do you know why? no, i've got one. i've got one theory, but somebody's not doing enough of something i wasn't very at biology at school, very good at biology at school, so i know? see you in so what would i know? see you in a moment. so what would i know? see you in a nenent-is— so what would i know? see you in a moment.-is the— so what would i know? see you in a moment.-is the point- so what would i know? see you in a moment.-is the point on. a moment. this is the point on gb a moment. this is the point on se wews— a moment. this is the point on gb news, britain's— a moment. this is the point on gb news, britain's news .

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me. then right, my me. and then i said, right, my bags packed, the kids bags are packed, the kids are taken of. i'm going taken care of. i'm going somewhere. going anywhere somewhere. we're going anywhere . and other half at the time somewhere. we're going anywhere . an googlinger half at the time somewhere. we're going anywhere . an googling , half at the time somewhere. we're going anywhere . an googling , wheret the time somewhere. we're going anywhere . an googling , where cant time somewhere. we're going anywhere . an googling , where can we ne somewhere. we're going anywhere . an googling , where can we go? was googling, where can we go? with less than three months on a passport? can go anywhere passport? you can go anywhere basically, except the eu. you go to america or australia. canbbean to america or australia. caribbean morocco. they to america or australia. cariia ean morocco. they to america or australia. cariia lovely morocco. they to america or australia. cariia lovely time. morocco. they to america or australia. cariia lovely time. where 0. they to america or australia. cariia lovely time. where o. tyou had a lovely time. where did you go? in go? we had three nights in marrakesh and then three nights in that in casablanca so that i could get casablanca. great. you get home. casablanca. great. you can that your can probably leave that off your off bucket list. you think off your bucket list. you think it's to off your bucket list. you think it-s-telgneat- off your bucket list. you thinkj it's-to.great romantic it's going to be great romantic tesause— it's going to be great romantic because -film,- it's going to be great romantic because-film, but- it's going to be great romantic because film, but even it's going to be great romantic bec bare film, but even it's going to be great romantic bec bar where film, but even it's going to be great romantic bec bar where theyi, but even it's going to be great romantic bec bar where they played ven it's going to be great romantic bec bar where they played the the bar where they played the piane— the bar where they played the pianelnet— the bar where they played the piano not interesting. piano is not very interesting. nut— piano is not very interesting. but—magnificil piano is not very interesting. but—magnifici try but marrakesh is magnifici try iteresse— but marrakesh is magnifici try morocco ramadan, let me but marrakesh is magnifici try morryou, ramadan, let me but marrakesh is magnifici try morryou, that ramadan, let me but marrakesh is magnifici try morryou, that madeiadan, let me but marrakesh is magnifici try morryou, that made itian, let me but marrakesh is magnifici try morryou, that made it evenet me but marrakesh is magnifici try morryou, that made it even more tell you, that made it even more tittisuit— tell you, that made it even more difficult-have— tell you, that made it even more difficult-havelhave- tell you, that made it even more difficult have have a good difficult to have a have a good time— difficult to have a have a good tineltry. — difficult to have a have a good time-dry. luckily.- difficult to have a have a good time dry. rt.

stappet— rules and regulations that were stappet-sening- rules and regulations that were slapped coming from slapped on goods coming from tngiant— slapped on goods coming from england northern ireland, england into northern ireland, este— england into northern ireland, esse et— england into northern ireland, esse et att— england into northern ireland, 20% of all eu— england into northern ireland, 20% of all eu regulations were on 20% of all eu regulations were en tne— 20% of all eu regulations were en tne en— 20% of all eu regulations were en tne en tne— 20% of all eu regulations were on the on the doorstep in neitast. — on the on the doorstep in belfast. total— on the on the doorstep in belfast. total punishment, teating— belfast. total punishment, teating .— belfast. total punishment, beating . that's what it felt beating. that's what it felt tite— beating. that's what it felt tite. — beating. that's what it felt tite. ltust— beating. that's what it felt like. ijust couldn't- beating. that's what it felt like. t: i g like. i just couldn't believe that allowed the eu to that we've allowed the eu to stop us travelling with less than three months on our passport. what do we do? tit for tat? do we retaliate?— passport. what do we do? tit for tat? do we retaliate? but- r:r:ir r:r:ir7 tit for tat? do we retaliate? but of tnis— tat? do we retaliate? but of course this will— tat? do we retaliate? but of course this will hit spain nartest— course this will hit spain hardest because we are their tiggest— hardest because we are their biggest tourist— hardest because we are their biggest tourist market. r: r: i g biggest tourist market. i didn't go biggest tourist market. i didn't ge—tneir- biggest tourist market. i didn't ge—tneir gini go over there and buy their gin and me tell you, spain, i'd and let me tell you, spain, i'd have in your gin have put a dent in your gin market. had it in market. i had to buy it in stansted and take it in my suitcase. we anyway, suitcase. there we are. anyway, i had a lovely time. nice to be back. so you're listening, back. so if you're listening, are-tixet- back. so if you're listening, are-fixed becausej back. so if you're listening,l are-fixed because it are you get it fixed because it is-tnantiy,— are you get it fixed because it is frankly, ridiculous. is really frankly, ridiculous. nut—nave- is really frankly, ridiculous. but-havelbit. is really frankly, ridiculous. but-havelbit ofi is really frankly, ridiculous. i but-havelbit of a but didn't you have a bit of a travel incident as well? yes, because, of course, i'm- rt grin 7 yes, because, of course, i'm not taiting— because, of course, i'm not talking-nothing- because, of course, i'm not talking nothing works. talking of nothing that works. i went— talking of nothing that works. i went en— talking of nothing that works. i went en tne— talking of nothing that works. i went on the train— talking of nothing that works. i went on the train dorset two went on the train to dorset two neuns — went on the train to dorset two hours,.minutes. _ went on the train to dorset two hours, minutes. three hours, 20 minutes. no three neuns— hours, 20 minutes. no three news-we— hours, 20 minutes. no three neurs-we sup- hours, 20 minutes. no three hours-no cup of- hours, 20 minutes. no three hours no cup of tea, hours, 20 minutes. no three- hours-no cup of tea, no hours and 55. no cup of tea, no bang,— hours and 55. no cup of tea, no bang, ne— hours and 55. no cup of tea, no buffet, no buffet.— hours and 55. no cup of tea, no buffet, no buffet. and the loo preten— buffet, no buffet. and the loo tneten—is. | broken. oh, of course it is. why— broken. oh, of course it is. wnyltnat— broken. oh, of course it is. wnyltnat-waye- broken. oh, of course it is. - why lthat-way? everywhere why is that the way? everywhere i had why is that the way? everywhere i nat tag, — why is that the way? everywhere i nat tag, i— why is that the way? everywhere i had flask, i had— 7 everywhere i had flask, i had sausage sandwiches— i had flask, i had sausage sandwiches all— i had flask, i had sausage sandwiches all made home. and sandwiches all made at home. and i . sandwiches all made at home. and i-. tnat-s— sandwiches all made at home. and i-. was a— sandwiches all made at home. and i-. that's a theme-

sandwiches all made at home. and i . that's a theme here. i had gin. that's a theme here. tnere— i had gin. that's a theme here. inere is— i had gin. that's a theme here. inere is a— i had gin. that's a theme here. there is a theme.— i had gin. that's a theme here. there is a theme. what does it say— there is a theme. what does it say ateut— there is a theme. what does it say ateut it— there is a theme. what does it say about it now?— there is a theme. what does it say about it now? are we going are we— say about it now? are we going are we geing— say about it now? are we going are we geing te— say about it now? are we going are we going to talk about it or net — are we going to talk about it or net i— are we going to talk about it or net i stint— are we going to talk about it or not? i think it— are we going to talk about it or not? i think it says-live. are we going to talk about it or not? g e not? i think it says we live the good andrew. we know good life, andrew. we know what's important in life. we try to the birth rate has to write the uk birth rate has declined 12% in the last ten declined by 12% in the last ten years, and what's to years, and what's believed to have massive effect on the have a massive effect on the economy. what this for economy. what does this mean for the economy. what does this mean for tne—in- the country's population in tuturee— the country's population in. future?_reporter, future? our political reporter, reperter— reporter olivia utley, she's going— reporter olivia utley, she's geing-us— reporter olivia utley, she's geing-us att- reporter olivia utley, she's going-us all on- reporter olivia utley, she's going us all on a sunny going to tell us all on a sunny saturtay— going to tell us all on a sunny saturday morning— going to tell us all on a sunny saturday morning 50 years ago, tnis— saturday morning 50 years ago, we extent— saturday morning 50 years ago, this oxford high— saturday morning 50 years ago, this oxford high street would nave— this oxford high street would nave teen— this oxford high street would have been chockablock with nanasset— have been chockablock with harassed young _ have been chockablock with harassed young mothers and their tweets— harassed young mothers and their broods-children. - broods of unruly children. tetay— broods of unruly children. ietay .— broods of unruly children. ietay . yeu— broods of unruly children. today , you can— broods of unruly children. today , you can count- broods of unruly children. today , you can count the number today, you can count the number of prams on one hand uk wide . of prams on one hand uk wide. the birth rate has fallen by an eye—watering 12% over the past decade alone . and in places like decade alone. and in places like oxford , a city where house oxford, a city where house pnces oxford, a city where house prices are sky high , that figure prices are sky high, that figure is closer to 30. as leading demographer dr. paul morland explained to me, this astonishingly rapid decline is already affecting the economy . already affecting the economy. it will have a huge impact and it's it will have a huge impact and its aireaty— it will have a huge impact and it's already having a huge inpast. — it's already having a huge inpast. se— it's already having a huge impact. so we- it's already having a huge impact. : e" impact. so we already see an ageing population , and that's ageing population, and that's because lots of people are

living longer. but there are fewer people coming up fewer young people coming up behind them. when started in behind them. when i started in the there were about the workplace, there were about two new entrants in their early 20 seconds. for every person leaving in their mid 60s, say, and now it's sort of one for one. and our economy has a voracious appetite for labour. so back in the 80s we had an unemployment problem. today in sector after sector , it's really sector after sector, it's really hard to find new recruits . hard to find new recruits. despite mass immigration . and despite mass immigration. and that's because we were simply having too few children 20, 30 years ago. so that's the impact on the economy and the labour market and the shrinking pool of infants is taking its toll on local communities, too . richard local communities, too. richard tilley runs a marketing- t t" richard tilley runs a marketing agency wnisn— tilley runs a marketing agency wnisn is— tilley runs a marketing agency which is helping— tilley runs a marketing agency which is helping schools fill ptases— which is helping schools fill piases in— which is helping schools fill places in areas— which is helping schools fill places in areas where the number of places in areas where the number et sniitren— places in areas where the number of children has— places in areas where the number of children has collapsed. i spete— of children has collapsed. i spete te— of children has collapsed. i spete te nin — of children has collapsed. i spoke to him about what's been going— spoke to him about what's been geing en— spoke to him about what's been geing en in— spoke to him about what's been going on in oxford. /r:ir. going on in oxford. you have eight— going on in oxford. you have eight standard sized primary schools that are completely full in year six at the moment. the cohort that's going to go up to secondary school in september and those schools will be

completely empty in reception this september. there are only about 35, 36 primary schools in oxford or on the edge of oxford . so that pain is going to be shared around. but it's not as if there are hundreds and hundreds of schools and you're going to be able to easily absorb that problem. schools in oxford will have to shut schools everywhere are going to have to shut spring shut in the spring budget, jeremy pledged £5 billion jeremy hunt pledged £5 billion to dramatically improve the free childcare provision for working parents in time. that should netp— parents in time. that should netp mate— parents in time. that should help make having— ”til i g that should help make having children an easier decision— help make having children an easier decision for young seupies— easier decision for young seuptes .— easier decision for young couples . and— easier decision for young couples . and there are other couples. and there are other economic levers. _ couples. and there are other economic levers. the chancellor seuit— economic levers. the chancellor seuit putt,— economic levers. the chancellor seutt putn tee.— economic levers. the chancellor could pull, too. in— economic levers. the chancellor could pull, too. in hungary , for could pull, too. in hungary, for exanpie— could pull, too. in hungary, for example, families— could pull, too. in hungary, for example, families with three sniitren— example, families with three sniitren er— example, families with three children or more— example, families with three children or more pay virtually no children or more pay virtually ne tax— children or more pay virtually ne tax at— children or more pay virtually no tax at all.— children or more pay virtually no tax at all. but— children or more pay virtually no tax at all. but dr. paul inatten— no tax at all. but dr. paul mallen doesn't- no tax at all. but dr. paul mallen doesn't believe that neney— mallen doesn't believe that neney is— mallen doesn't believe that neney is a— mallen doesn't believe that money is a silver bullet . money is a silver bullet. i ttint— money is a silver bullet. i tnint tne— money is a silver bullet. i think the culture- money is a silver bullet. i think the culture needs to change. i think there's a lot in the culture that is pointing away from fertility , and i think away from fertility, and i think thatis away from fertility, and i think that is really what will make a difference. it's certainly the

case that people with a more pro—natal attitude , very often pro—natal attitude, very often people with a religious background and people who value children are likely to have more children are likely to have more children . and i think it's the children. and i think it's the cultural conversation that needs to shift. britain's baby bust is a problem for which there is no quick fix, but it's becoming increasingly clear that to prevent a crippling workforce shortage in the near future , the shortage in the near future, the uk needs radical ideas and a long term plan . olivia utley gb long term plan. olivia utley gb wews— long term plan. olivia utley gb news absolutely— air“; olivia utley gb news absolutely fascinating. wow— news absolutely fascinating. wew stit— news absolutely fascinating. wew stitt te — news absolutely fascinating. now still to come.— news absolutely fascinating. now still to come. nicola sturgeon, remember her? she's facing more calls to quit the snp forever. hooray. we'll tell you why after your morning news with armstrong . very good with arron armstrong. very good morning to with arron armstrong. very good nerning te yeu. — with arron armstrong. very good morning to you. it's— with arron armstrong. very good morning to you. it's 1030. - '”rir“ 'd very good morning to you. it's1030. let's get— morning to you. it's1030. let's get yeu— morning to you. it's1030. let's get yeu up— morning to you. it's1030. let's get yeu up te— morning to you. it's1030. let's get you up to date— morning to you. it's1030. let's get you up to date with the neatiines— get you up to date with the headlines from _ get you up to date with the headlines from the gb newsroom. tisni— headlines from the gb newsroom. itisni sunat— headlines from the gb newsroom. rishi sunak says— headlines from the gb newsroom. rishi sunak says he— headlines from the gb newsroom. rishi sunak says he wants to mate— rishi sunak says he wants to nateas-— rishi sunak says he wants to make as essential as make maths as essential as eating— make maths as essential as reading-school- make maths as essential as reading school children as reading for school children as he reading for school children as ne unveits— reading for school children as he unveils new— reading for school children as he unveils new teaching plans , he unveils new teaching plans, the he unveils new teaching plans, tne-minister— he unveils new teaching plans, the minister setting up the prime minister is setting up a-ensure maths-

a review to ensure maths is stutiet— a review to ensure maths is stutiet ty— a review to ensure maths is studied by all— a review to ensure maths is studied by all students in tngiant— studied by all students in england-the- studied by all students in england the of studied by all students in. england -the .of18, england up to the age of 18, witneut— england up to the age of 18, without making— england up to the age of 18, without making it compulsory at a—ievet— without making it compulsory at a—ievei .— without making it compulsory at a—ievei . ne— without making it compulsory at a—level . he says— without making it compulsory at a—level . he says the uk's anti a—level. he says the uk's anti natns— a—level. he says the uk's anti maths mindset— a—level. he says the uk's anti maths mindset is— a—level. he says the uk's anti maths mindset is holding back the maths mindset is holding back tne esy— maths mindset is holding back the economy and— maths mindset is holding back the economy and mr. sunak plans to the economy and mr. sunak plans te twing— the economy and mr. sunak plans te tning tne— the economy and mr. sunak plans to bring the subject— the economy and mr. sunak plans to bring the subject to life by saisuiating— to bring the subject to life by saisuiating .— to bring the subject to life by calculating , for— to bring the subject to life by calculating , for example, the calculating, for example, the angie— calculating, for example, the angte et— calculating, for example, the angte et a— calculating, for example, the angle of a free— calculating, for example, the angle of a free kick or the speet— angle of a free kick or the speet et— angle of a free kick or the speet et a— angle of a free kick or the speed of a formula one car. the etusatien— speed of a formula one car. the education secretary— speed of a formula one car. the education secretary , gillian education secretary, gillian teegan— education secretary, gillian teeganteit— education secretary, gillian keegan, told gb news the plan witt— keegan, told gb news the plan witi require— keegan, told gb news the plan will require more— keegan, told gb news the plan will require more teachers . if will require more teachers. if you— will require more teachers. if yeu teet— will require more teachers. if yeu teet at— will require more teachers. if you look at the— will require more teachers. if you look at the oecd average, pretty— you look at the oecd average, pretty nusn— you look at the oecd average, pretty much we're— you look at the oecd average, pretty much we're the only seuntry— pretty much we're the only seuntry tnat— pretty much we're the only country that does not continue natns— country that does not continue natns up— country that does not continue natns up te— country that does not continue natns up re re.— country that does not continue maths up to 18. _ country that does not continue maths up to 18. '“r: �*" country that does not continue maths up to 18. ' “r: �*" maths up to 18. and if you look at the world that we live in now, but also the world that we work in, it is increasing only digital and increasing only the jobs require a decent level of maths, but it is a long term vision and it will take us time to build up more maths teachers and also other, you know , and also other, you know, technology that can help supplement that . former us supplement that. former us president bill clinton and sir tony blair will join other political leaders at a three day conference in belfast to commemorate the good friday

agreement. the commemorate the good friday agreement . the former taoiseach, agreement. the former taoiseach, tertie — agreement. the former taoiseach, tertie anern— agreement. the former taoiseach, bertie ahern and— 'ig”liillil’7�*til“o the former taoiseach, bertie ahern and senator george ititsnetn— bertie ahern and senator george nrraar, wne— bertie ahern and senator george mitchell, who chaired the peace negetiatiens— mitchell, who chaired the peace negotiations in— mitchell, who chaired the peace negotiations in 1998, will also tate— negotiations in 1998, will also tate pan. — negotiations in 1998, will also tate pan. its— negotiations in 1998, will also take part. it's being hosted to nart— take part. it's being hosted to nart tne— take part. it's being hosted to mark the 25th— take part. it's being hosted to mark the 25th anniversary of the pease — mark the 25th anniversary of the peace agreement— mark the 25th anniversary of the peace agreement that largely treugnt— peace agreement that largely treugnt an— peace agreement that largely brought an end— peace agreement that largely brought an end to decades of sestaian— brought an end to decades of sectarian conflict— brought an end to decades of sectarian conflict in northern ineiant. — sectarian conflict in northern ineiant. ine— sectarian conflict in northern ireland. the uk's— sectarian conflict in northern ireland. the uk's aviation intustry— ireland. the uk's aviation intustry nas— ireland. the uk's aviation industry has acknowledged that measures to make flying less nanntui— measures to make flying less narntui te— measures to make flying less harmful to the— measures to make flying less harmful to the environment will pusn— harmful to the environment will pusn up— harmful to the environment will pusn up tistet— harmful to the environment will push up ticket prices. it says tne— push up ticket prices. it says tne sest— push up ticket prices. it says tne sest et— push up ticket prices. it says the cost of decarbonising air traver— the cost of decarbonising air travet witt— the cost of decarbonising air travel will likely— the cost of decarbonising air travel will likely put some peepte— travel will likely put some peepte eit— travel will likely put some people off flying . it wants the people off flying. it wants the severnnent— people off flying. it wants the government to _ people off flying. it wants the government to reduce the titterense — government to reduce the difference in— government to reduce the difference in price between traditional— difference in price between traditional jet— difference in price between traditional jet fuel and greener alternatives. _ traditional jet fuel and greener alternatives. the— traditional jet fuel and greener alternatives. the transport sesnetary— alternatives. the transport secretary says— alternatives. the transport secretary says the government's sennittet— secretary says the government's sennittet te— secretary says the government's committed to helping airlines asseienate— committed to helping airlines accelerate the— committed to helping airlines accelerate the new technology ant— accelerate the new technology ant — accelerate the new technology ant away— accelerate the new technology and move away from fossil fuels . ine— and move away from fossil fuels . ine presen— and move away from fossil fuels . the brecon beacons national rant— . the brecon beacons national part is— . the brecon beacons national park is changing— . the brecon beacons national park is changing its name as a test— park is changing its name as a direct response— park is changing its name as a direct response to— park is changing its name as a direct response to the climate snsis— direct response to the climate it— direct response to the climate it is— direct response to the climate crisis. it is now— direct response to the climate crisis. it is now going to adopt tne— crisis. it is now going to adopt tne weisn— crisis. it is now going to adopt the welsh name— crisis. it is now going to adopt the welsh name of barney brook , the welsh name of barney brook, inaya— the welsh name of barney brook, inaya tits— the welsh name of barney brook, inaya erg national— the welsh name of barney brook, inaya erg national park, or the nannew— inaya erg national park, or the banner ter— inaya erg national park, or the

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got to work out how britain moves forward— got to work out how britain moves forward from this. join us nene— moves forward from this. join us nere en— moves forward from this. join us nere en en— moves forward from this. join us here on gb news.— moves forward from this. join us here on gb news. the people's snannei— here on gb news. the people's channel britain— here on gb news. the people's channel britain is— here on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching . channel britain is watching. seet— channel britain is watching. good morning— channel britain is watching. good morning .— channel britain is watching. good morning . g channel britain is watching. good morning. 0 channel britain is watching. good morning. g “r: ”ti: good morning. it is. and you're listening. and watching to the point on gb news with me . andrew point on gb news with me. andrew pierce and bev turner. look, people are still getting in touch on maths , but i know touch on maths, but i know you're a sceptic, but i think tom right. this has you're a sceptic, but i think tonreal right. this has you're a sceptic, but i think tonreal cut right. this has you're a sceptic, but i think tonreal cut through.:. this has you're a sceptic, but i think tonreal cut through. nigel has got real cut through. nigel says teach what is relevant. forget rubbish, such as algebra, learning etcetera. teach learning forms, etcetera. teach kids how use equipment to do kids how to use equipment to do a called calculator. a job called a calculator. finally, fun , nigel says finally, make it fun, nigel says teach what is relevant. forget rubbish, such as— teach what is relevant. forget rubbish, such as ?_ teach what is relevant. forget rubbish, such as ? oh,- t forget rubbish, such as ? oh, you just rubbish, such as? oh, you just eat— rubbish, such as? oh, you just eat tnat— rubbish, such as? oh, you just read that one.— rubbish, such as? oh, you just read that one. i'm— rubbish, such as? oh, you just read that one. i'm sorry. not tnat— read that one. i'm sorry. not tnat i— read that one. i'm sorry. not tnat i wasnt— read that one. i'm sorry. not that i wasn't listening to you. it that i wasn't listening to you. it ws— that i wasn't listening to you. it went— that i wasn't listening to you. it was worth saying— that i wasn't listening to you. it was worth saying-it's. it was worth saying once. it's worth again again and worth saying again and again and again. to say again. times you used to say maths. joe says the issue here is tnat— maths. joe says the issue here is tnat were— maths. joe says the issue here is that we're .talking- joe says the issue here is that we're talking about is that we're all talking about tasis— is that we're all talking about basic-addition,- basic maths, addition, subtraction,- basic maths, addition, subtraction, - . i basic maths, addition,- subtraction,-. this is subtraction, division. this is all

subtraction, division. this is ait severet— subtraction, division. this is all covered well— subtraction, division. this is all covered well before 16. all covered well before year 16. new— all covered well before year 16. new-tain— all covered well before year 16. how .fair that— all covered well before year 16. how fair that because how is it fair that because some tits— how is it fair that because some tits-inten— how is it fair that because some kids-listenlschool- how is it fair that because some kids-listenlschool ,- kids didn't listen at school, tnat—tit- kids didn't listen at school,| that—did listen kids didn't listen at school,- that—did listen has that someone who did listen has to that someone who did listen has te-ten— that someone who did listen has te-ten twe— that someone who did listen has to-for two years- that someone who did listen has to for two years after to do maths for two years after tney— to do maths for two years after tney teave— to do maths for two years after they leave school?— to do maths for two years after they leave school? it's not nesessanity— necessarily that you don't iisten. — necessarily that you don't iisten. iee — necessarily that you don't listen. joe it— necessarily that you don't listen. joe it might just be tnat— listen. joe it might just be tnat yeu— listen. joe it might just be tnat yeu-us- listen. joe it might just be that you -us a - listen. joe it might just be- that you -us a .rubbish that you teach us a bit rubbish or that you teach us a bit rubbish enlnignt— that you teach us a bit rubbish enlnignt-iust- that you teach us a bit rubbish orlmight-just not- or it might be. it's just not yeun— or it might be. it's just not yeun stit— or it might be. it's just not your skill set.— or it might be. it's just not your skill set. it's not your inclination— your skill set. it's not your inclination to— your skill set. it's not your inclination to-ati your skill set. it's not your- inclination to-at maths. inclination to be good at maths. wnat— inclination to be good at maths. what was— inclination to be good at maths. wnat tne— inclination to be good at maths. what was the point— inclination to be good at maths. what was the point of— inclination to be good at maths. what was the point of learning logarithms? do remember them logarithms? do you remember them ? not really, no . can spell ? not really, no. i can spell it. yeah, i mean, what was the point them? and i know rishi point of them? and i know rishi sunak venn diagrams are sunak said venn diagrams are important want to into important if you want to go into tv drama, wonder how tv and drama, i wonder how they'll then. absolutely they'll fit in then. absolutely well, says, i fully well, michael says, i fully agree— well, michael says, i fully agree have well, michael says, i fully agreasonable have well, michael says, i fully agreasonable knowledge have well, michael says, i fully agreasonable knowledge of have well, michael says, i fully agreasonable knowledge of doing a reasonable knowledge of doing natns—tnese- maths, but what a joke. these gevernents— maths, but what a joke. these governments budgets maths, but what a joke. these governn be ts budgets maths, but what a joke. these governn be the budgets maths, but what a joke. these governn be the first budgets maths, but what a joke. these governn be the first to budgets maths, but what a joke. these governn be the first to takejets need to be the first to take natns— need to be the first to take maths lessons— need to be the first to take maths lessons and apply a budget wnisn—retting- maths lessons and apply a budget which—robbing all. which works without robbing all of i which works without robbing all et-i-every— which works without robbing all of-i-every cabinet. of us. i think every cabinet minister who to this minister who comes on to this programme or any minister, we're going them 2 or 3 quick going to ask them 2 or 3 quick fire maths questions. going to ask them 2 or 3 quick fire maths questions . and by the fire maths questions. and by the way, we've got two in the way, we've got two people in the studio us now. bucha studio with us now. bucha sheikh, commentator sheikh, political commentator and patrick o'flynn, columnist on the express, who might be wearing the. we're going to ask them some quick questions.

them some quick fire questions. patrick, very patrick, you're looking very nervous. journalist i'm not good at maths. well the maths thing, i mean, i watched on your programme earlier the live coverage and the thing that shone out for me is the guys in the evangelists for it. he's clearly complete g g he's clearly complete sincere maths neit— clearly complete sincere maths nert .— clearly complete sincere maths nert . ant— clearly complete sincere maths nert . ant tne— clearly complete sincere maths nerd . and the most memorable nerd. and the most memorable tine— nerd. and the most memorable tine in— nerd. and the most memorable tine in tne— nerd. and the most memorable line in the speech— nerd. and the most memorable line in the speech seemed to be teu— line in the speech seemed to be veu san-t— line in the speech seemed to be you can't make— line in the speech seemed to be you can't make movies without natns.— you can't make movies without natns. en— you can't make movies without natns. en tne— you can't make movies without maths. on the other hand, if you put six— maths. on the other hand, if you put six mathematicians in a room and put six mathematicians in a room ant sait— put six mathematicians in a room ant and, wate— put six mathematicians in a room and said, make a— put six mathematicians in a room and said, make a movie, i weuitn-t— and said, make a movie, i wouldn't give— and said, make a movie, i wouldn't give much for the ssript— wouldn't give much for the ssript teing— wouldn't give much for the script being that compelling, but script being that compelling, tut it— script being that compelling, put it is— script being that compelling, but it is quite— script being that compelling, but it is quite clever to say to peepte— but it is quite clever to say to peepte wne— but it is quite clever to say to people who lots— but it is quite clever to say to people who lots of kids we know want— people who lots of kids we know want te— people who lots of kids we know want te get— people who lots of kids we know want to get into— people who lots of kids we know want to get into that world arts went— want to get into that world arts wertt peg.— want to get into that world arts wertt vean it— want to get into that world arts world yeah, if you've , if you're world yeah, if you've, if you're geet— world yeah, if you've, if you're geetlnatns— world yeah, if you've, if you're good maths, that's going to good at maths, that's going to netp.— good at maths, that's going to netp—tut- good at maths, that's going to netp—tut yeu| help. i guess so. but but you tnew— help. i guess so. but but you tnew, ant— help. i guess so. but but you know, and it's— help. i guess so. but but you know, and it's important to have senpetense— know, and it's important to have senpetense at— know, and it's important to have competence at maths . i think competence at maths. i think ne-s— competence at maths. i think ne-s everegging— competence at maths. i think he's overegging it personally . he's overegging it personally. he he's overegging it personally. we went— he's overegging it personally. we went te— he's overegging it personally. he went to the— he's overegging it personally. he went to the public school, winsnesten— he went to the public school, winchester, which is known as the winchester, which is known as tne natns— winchester, which is known as the maths nerd— winchester, which is known as the maths nerd public school. its— the maths nerd public school. its aireaty— the maths nerd public school. it's already the— the maths nerd public school. it's already the most- the maths nerd public school. it's already the most people who sign up for a—level maths is the highest already it's about 27, right? and the hardest . so

right? and the hardest. so i think, yeah, well, i g“7 “r: : so i think, yeah, well, i think pnysiss— think, yeah, well, i think pbysics might- think, yeah, well, i think physics might be harder. iiegr physics might be harder. maybe i sputt— physics might be harder. maybe i seuit tarety— physics might be harder. maybe i seutt tarety get— physics might be harder. maybe i could barely get my name right on the paper i took physics on the paper when i took physics at school. bushra, do think at school. bushra, do you think tnat— at school. bushra, do you think tnat tnis— at school. bushra, do you think that this might— at school. bushra, do you think that this might be— t bushra, do you think that this might be about what were-tnat— that this might be about what we're-that it- that this might be about what we're that it does cut we're saying, that it does cut tnneugn— we're saying, that it does cut through-elector- we're saying, that it does cut through elector at this through with the elector at this issues— through with the elector at this issues-very— through with the elector at this issue? very simple issue? it's a very simple sensept— issue? it's a very simple- concept—debates concept which inspires debates ant— concept which inspires debates ant steps— concept which inspires debates ant steps us— concept which inspires debates and stops us talking about the tnings— and stops us talking about the tnings tnat— and stops us talking about the things that maybe don't things that maybe they don't want— things that maybe they don't want-tweit— things that maybe they don't want dwell upon right now. want us to dwell upon right now. oh, want us to dwell upon right now. onlare— want us to dwell upon right now. onlareisaying— want us to dwell upon right now. oh,.are.saying that- want us to dwell upon right now. oh,.are.saying that this- oh, so are we saying that this is a distraction tactic? very possibly. i mean, we possibly. of course. i mean, we know what a politician to do that that's standard, standard practise. a politician . of practise. a politician. of course, happened hundreds course, it's happened hundreds of know that. i mean, of times. we know that. i mean, personally, think personally, for me, i think mathematics is outdated. i think the reason why there might be a decline potentially with that is because we're not really considering what the students want learn moment. so want to learn at the moment. so they may need to maybe they just need be like a revamp and need to be at like a revamp and a complete overhaul. but yeah, certainly maths is certainly i don't think maths is a right now and a talking point right now and i would probably have agree. would probably have to agree. what like at school what would you like at school witn—titel what would you like at schooli witn—tite g. with maths? i used to like it, but because i'm more of a like a creative individual, it wasn't my but there is a basic my go to, but there is a basic standard we all

standard of maths that we all need and i certainly need to have and i certainly wasn't going to take it any further than that. and i just found further than that. and i just teuntlvery— further than that. and i just foundlvery boring. - and ijust found very boring. found it very boring. jobs of tne— found it very boring. jobs of tne-geing- found it very boring. jobs of tne-geing te- found it very boring. jobs of the going to be the future are going to be completely different now completely different to jobs now and is an of one and this is an example of one andrew okay, let's talk andrew tate okay, let's talk about andrew tate bucha think about andrew tate bucha i think you're all over this story, aren't middleweight aren't you? ufc middleweight champion, he's champion, israel adesanya. he's praying the praying, raised the controversial media controversial social media influencer for fighting against what the emasculation influencer for fighting against wimen the emasculation influencer for fighting against wimen and the emasculation influencer for fighting against wimen and pushingiasculation influencer for fighting against wimen and pushing men lation influencer for fighting against wimen and pushing men to ion influencer for fighting against wimen and pushing men to be of men and pushing men to be accountable. and tell us who antnew— accountable. and tell us who antrew tate— accountable. and tell us who andrew tate is— accountable. and tell us who andrew tate is as— tt and tell us who andrew tate is as well, because peepte— andrew tate is as well, because some people won't— andrew tate is as well, because some people won't be certain tney— some people won't be certain tney tnew— some people won't be certain tney tnew wne— some people won't be certain they know who -so . some people won't be certain- they know who -so andrew they know who he is. so andrew tats.— they know who he is. so andrew iate. ter— they know who he is. so andrew tate, for those watching, is a social media turned social media influencer turned business entrepreneur who has made millions and millions of pounds off the back of social media. mastermind and media. a mastermind and mastermind behind making so much money from the internet . how did money from the internet. how did he it? oh, gosh . so obviously he do it? oh, gosh. so obviously i'm going to go too further i'm not going to go too further back. but he does have like a simple pyramid scheme. he simple pyramid scheme. what he does has tate's us does is he has andrew tate's us motty, which is called the hustler's university, and he appoints young men to come and join that. and it is. and then he charges them a fee every

single month. but what they do is they use his social content and they push social content and they push his social content out onto the social out further onto the social platforms and sign further platforms and sign up further people through their independent always young men. i mean, it's predominantly obe. it's predominantly obe. it's predominantly men, but it's open to everyone . but these young men to everyone. but these young men have a focus. they've got something that they can work towards. actually, this is a very positive thing in this climate . we know that being an climate. we know that being an entrepreneur is one of the things that young men want to do, they want to be do, and they don't want to be confined industries . his confined to industries. his misogyny.undeniable,. confined to industries. his- misogynylundeniable, though, misogyny is undeniable, though, in-ne— misogyny is undeniable, though, in-ne taits— misogyny is undeniable, though, in-he talks about- misogyny is undeniable, though, in he talks about the fact in that he talks about the fact tnat— in that he talks about the fact tnat venen— in that he talks about the fact that women should be at home. it's that women should be at home. its a— that women should be at home. its a mans— that women should be at home. its a iet— that women should be at home. it's a man's job to— that women should be at home. it's a man's job to go and earn a iiving— it's a man's job to go and earn a iiving. its— it's a man's job to go and earn a living. it's very— it's a man's job to go and earn a living. it's very outdated. nes— a living. it's very outdated. ne-s a— a living. it's very outdated. he's a converted- a living. it's very outdated. he's a converted muslim, isn't nee — he's a converted muslim, isn't nee -yean.— he's a converted muslim, isn't nee -yean. se- he's a converted muslim, isn't he? -yeah. so he- he's a converted muslim, isn't he? -yeah. so he has. he's a converted muslim, isn't he? -yeah. so he has aj he's a converted muslim, isn't. he? -yeah. so he has a he he? he is, yeah. so he has a he has converted islam has recently converted to islam . i mean, that aside, him becoming muslim, this whole idea of kind of misogyny links , we of kind of misogyny links, we have to understand that he's been on the internet for more than like ten, 15 years. and he has had growth. and like with any individual, we know that sometimes we perhaps say things

in our past that may not in our past that we may not agree today . so, know, agree with today. so, you know, you patrick, were having you and 1, patrick, were having this and if we this discussion before and if we really look at his content, it has changed remarkably from the way was. but with social way it was. but with social media it we will media being what it is, we will always videos that were always see videos that were like 5 10 old, but he's been 5 or 10 years old, but he's been in explain why he has in prison. explain why he has teen— in prison. explain why he has teen in— in prison. explain why he has been in prison— in prison. explain why he has been in prison for— in prison. explain why he has been in prison for so- “ explain why he has been in prison for so long. so at-nnennent— been in prison for so long. so at- moment that- been in prison for so long. so at- moment that there- been in prison for so long. so at moment that there are at the moment that there are allegations about allegations on him about trafficking charges, links to women forward women potentially coming forward and saying that they were trafficked again , these are trafficked again, these are allegations do know that allegations and we do know that there are three women the uk there are three women in the uk that might suing that potentially might be suing him sexual assault . and they him for sexual assault. and they are allegations. and we have to be really careful, you know, to not brand people not assign and brand people proven guilty. exactly. it's proven guilty. exactly. so it's not all bad. patrick, is it his sentent— not all bad. patrick, is it his sentent as— not all bad. patrick, is it his content as like— irer: patrick, is it his content as like bushra ier: patrick, is it his content as like bushra says, tnere-s— content as like bushra says, tnere-s ene— content as like bushra says, there's one of— content as like bushra says, there's one of the guys that werts— there's one of the guys that works-office - there's one of the guys that works office here who's works in the office here who's 90t— works in the office here who's get tnree— works in the office here who's get tnree tets— works in the office here who's got three jobs inspired by antrew,— got three jobs inspired by- andrew,_entrepreneur andrew, tend to be entrepreneur iteai— andrew, tend to be entrepreneur iteai-wenting— andrew, tend to be entrepreneur ideal-working in- andrew, tend to be entrepreneur ideal working in his own ideal to be working in his own time— ideal to be working in his own time .— ideal to be working in his own time new— ideal to be working in his own time .-but-but- ideal to be working in his own time .-but-but he. ideal to be working in his own- time .-but-but he comes time. um, but yeah, but he comes with— time. um, but yeah, but he comes with a— time. um, but yeah, but he comes with a lot— time. um, but yeah, but he comes with a lot-negativity— with a lot of negativity towards women.- — with a lot of negativity towards women.- so.— with a lot of negativity towards women.- 50, so— with a lot of negativity towards women.- 50, so it's- with a lot of negativity towards women. yes so, so it's not necessarily the case that nothing he's ever said has got

any merit and it is a complicated time, i think, to be a young man growing up and yet it shouldn't be impossible on the one hand, to explore the traditional virtues of masculinity and yet on the other hand also moderate some sort of noxious traditions that are outdated and treat women with consideration . so there's consideration. so there's a debate to be had about all this. but whether the right person to be latched on to is someone who's accused of, you know , i who's accused of, you know, i think he's he's in romania at the moment accused of running i think, a sort of online sex chat. and the question is, were the women coerced or not.7 what difference does it the women coerced or not? what difference does it make- " ff: “in? what difference does it make this " ff: “oi what difference does it make this box away,— difference does it make this box away, this— difference does it make this box away, this tox— difference does it make this box away, this box boxing, waiting . away, this box boxing, waiting. teii— away, this box boxing, waiting. he-ii have— away, this box boxing, waiting. he-ii have t— away, this box boxing, waiting. he'll have a huge following heeeuee— he'll have a huge following because-men- he'll have a huge following because-men in- he'll have a huge following because men in particular. because young men in particular. teth— because young men in particular. yeah—hee- because young men in particular. yeah—hes the| yeah, follow boxing and he's the hittieweight— yeah, follow boxing and he's the middleweight—the. middleweight champion of the herit— middleweight champion of the weht ei— middleweight champion of the world or something. yeah right. otty. — world or something. yeah right. otty. wett— world or something. yeah right. otty. vieii i— world or something. yeah right. okay. well i think— world or something. yeah right. okay. well i think as— world or something. yeah right. okay. well i think as well- world or something. yeah right. okay. well i think as well you know ufc and this sort of cage

fighting things a bit after my time in cage fighting is it. well , time in cage fighting is it. well, i'm not really well , i'mdnot reallydqualified, well, i'm not really qualified, hut— well, i'm not really qualified, hut thihee— well, i'm not really qualified, but things along— well, i'm not really qualified, but things along those lines. yest— but things along those lines. vet. i— but things along those lines. vet. i meth— but things along those lines. yes, i mean, these,— but things along those lines. ci; i“ but things along those lines. ci; yes, i mean, these, these, these kind of . that's appalling. kind of. that's appalling. veth. — kind of. that's appalling. yeah. i— kind of. that's appalling. yeah. i mean these these kind of sports predominantly, you sports are predominantly, you know, sports and know, fighting sports and they're masculine sports, they're very masculine sports, you somebody like you know, and somebody like adesanya israel, has a huge adesanya israel, he has a huge following. but what these young men try to do is they try to give other young men a direction in life. and i do feel like with the conversations that i'm having, young men do not have many models. and that's many role models. and that's something do need to something that we do need to look cage boxers should look at. and cage boxers should not be a role model. i mean, he's he's so successful- i mean, he's he's so successful in what he's he's so successful in what he—pepuitt- he's he's so successful in what he—pepuitt thi- he's he's so successful in what he-popular and it'sl he does. so popular and it's popular popular. it's so popular so popular. it's so popular so popular. it's so popular to such— popular so popular. it's so popular to such a- it's so popular to such a young amongst young— popular to such a young amongst yeung-weuith-t- popular to such a young amongst young-wouldn't are- popular to such a young amongst young wouldn't are not young men who wouldn't are not heeeeeeiiiy— young men who wouldn't are not necessarily violent.— young men who wouldn't are not necessarily violent. citiizi necessarily violent. but there's something animalistic something about that animalistic fighting, bare knuckle fighting, which a lot of teenage boys are seeking out. they want to watch it. i couldn't think of anything worse. and actually, it's eetueity— worse. and actually, it's eetueiiy e— worse. and actually, it's actually a really- and actually, it's actually a really good way to theme— actually a really good way to channel kind— actually a really good way to channel kind of— actually a really good way to

channel kind of aggression and tenet.— channel kind of aggression and dries-e�*— channel kind of aggression and aneg-a- veh— channel kind of aggression and anger. a very good way anger. so it's a very good way for anger. so it's a very good way tee yeung— anger. so it's a very good way tee yeung hen— anger. so it's a very good way for young men to— anger. so it's a very good way for young men to be in sports the— for young men to be in sports ent-how— for young men to be in sports ent-how eth- for young men to be in sports and-how can we- for young men to be in sports- and-how can we combat and go, okay, how can we combat these— and go, okay, how can we combat these-e— and go, okay, how can we combat these-entou- and go, okay, how can we combat these-.7.you know,- these emotions? as you know, tether—to - rather than going to a counsellor— rather than going to a counsellor anything counsellor or anything like thati— counsellor or anything like thete—eheitel counsellor or anything like. that?_sports are that? these kind of sports are eehhet. — that? these kind of sports are eehhet. -900d-- that? these kind of sports are. combat. -good.iaren't combat. sports are good. aren't there— combat. sports are good. aren't there-ways— combat. sports are good. aren't there ways channel there better ways to channel your aggression punching there better ways to channel your out|ression punching there better ways to channel your out of;sion punching there better ways to channel your out of someone punching there better ways to channel yourout of someone and:hing there better ways to channel yourout of someone and roaring hell out of someone and roaring him on? yeah there are other sports. you thinks of sports. you know, one thinks of judo— sports. you know, one thinks of thee—thet- sports. you know, one thinks of judo _that which| judo and things like that which are, judo and things like that which yeu— judo and things like that which you thew,— judo and things like that which are, you know, based on strength— are, you know, based on strength, agility and our combat sheets.— strength, agility and our combat spotte- hut— strength, agility and our combat ehette. hut yet-ie— strength, agility and our combat sports. but you're not beating someone to a pulp. i mean, i eeuith-t— someone to a pulp. i mean, i eeuith-t i— someone to a pulp. i mean, i couldn't i had— someone to a pulp. i mean, i couldn't i had a— someone to a pulp. i mean, i couldn't i had a really interesting— couldn't i had a really interesting theory about andrew tete— interesting theory about andrew iete eh— interesting theory about andrew tate on social— interesting theory about andrew tate on social media this week, which— tate on social media this week, which ie— tate on social media this week, which ie that— tate on social media this week, which is that he— tate on social media this week, which is that he potentially is being— which is that he potentially is heihg peii— which is that he potentially is heihg heit te— which is that he potentially is being paid to become a poster boy— being paid to become a poster hey tei— being paid to become a poster hey tet hith— being paid to become a poster boy for islam against jordan heteieeh— boy for islam against jordan peterson, who— boy for islam against jordan peterson, who is— boy for islam against jordan peterson, who is a very high wette— peterson, who is a very high profile influencer christian, thet— profile influencer christian, thetthet— profile influencer christian, that that maybe someone is hehheiiihe— that that maybe someone is bankrolling andrew tate because thewgh— bankrolling andrew tate because theweh he— bankrolling andrew tate because even though he drives around in his even though he drives around in hie tetrahe— even though he drives around in his ferraris, is— even though he drives around in his ferraris, is it— even though he drives around in his ferraris, is it his income teeth-t— his ferraris, is it his income doesn't really— his ferraris, is it his income doesn't really reflect the fact thet— doesn't really reflect the fact that he— doesn't really reflect the fact that he should— doesn't really reflect the fact that he should be able to afford thet— that he should be able to afford that set— that he should be able to afford that set et— that he should be able to afford that sort of lifestyle. jtziit that sort of lifestyle. do you reten— that sort of lifestyle. do you teteh it— that sort of lifestyle. do you reckon it could— that sort of lifestyle. do you reckon it could be any truth to that? i think so at the that? i don't think so at the mement— that? i don't think so at the mement-he- sec7 i don't think so at the moment. he genuinely that? i don't think so at the- moment.-he genuinely has moment. i think he genuinely has eiweye— moment. i think he genuinely has eiweye-he-e— moment. i think he genuinely has eiweye—he-e e— moment. i think he genuinely has always-he's a man-

always said that he's a man of thith— always said that he's a man of teith-thew- always said that he's a man of faith-know,lfeel- always said that he's a man of faith know, feel like faith and, you know, i feel like his faith and, you know, i feel like hie tint— faith and, you know, i feel like hie tiht et— faith and, you know, i feel like his kind of direction has led him— his kind of direction has led him inte— his kind of direction has led him into islam— his kind of direction has led him into islam and predominantly heeewee— because islam is a very traditional— because islam is a very traditional religion. and eitheweh— traditional religion. and although - say. traditional religion. and although say that traditional religion. and although-say that have although people say that we have eehe-eieheie— although people say that we have some-archaic-of- although people say that we have some archaic of living some very archaic ways of living our some very archaic ways of living tite— some very archaic ways of living he, thet— some very archaic ways of living our life, that that— some very archaic ways of living our life, that that tradition with — our life, that that traditioni with—ent with adopting feminine and heeewiihe— with adopting feminine and masculine-is- with adopting feminine and masculine is very masculine roles is very impehent— masculine roles is very important. and if we don't understand— important. and if we don't understand what roles are in understand what our roles are in eeeiety— understand what our roles are in eeeiety, that-e— understand what our roles are in society, that's when we start eeeihe— society, that's when we start seeing problems— society, that's when we start seeing problems and we start eeeihe— seeing problems and we start seeing problems— seeing problems and we start seeing problems where young men and women don't— seeing problems where young men and women don't know whether it's and women don't know whether he ethy— and women don't know whether he etey te— and women don't know whether he etey te he— and women don't know whether it's okay to be masculine. what whet— it's okay to be masculine. what whet thihee— it's okay to be masculine. what what things they— it's okay to be masculine. what what things they should do in tite— what things they should do in he, hew— what things they should do in he, hew they— what things they should do in life, how they should be mother, not life, how they should be mother, het he— life, how they should be mother, het he yew— life, how they should be mother, not be your mother, how should we-children?- not be your mother, how shouldi we-children?-are we raise our children? these are genuine—heeeiel we raise our children? these are genconcerned people we raise our children? these are genconcerned about. people we raise our children? these are genconcerned about. peiple are concerned about. and i eeteeheiiy— are concerned about. and i personally believe we do have personally do believe we do have etee— personally do believe we do have ieiee-theee— personally do believe we do have roles .those those _ personally do believe we do have roles those those roles are roles and those those roles are very— roles and those those roles are very impetteht. — roles and those those roles are very important. those are the tewhtetiehe— very important. those are the foundations .— very important. those are the foundations . and— very important. those are the foundations . and within foundations. and then within thet— foundations. and then within that-tete— that, there are lots of different _ that, there are lots ofi different - he that, there are lots of- different - he does different things. so he does eeeet— different things. so he does eeeetliet— different things. so he does eeeetliet et— different things. so he does speak lot of sense me. speak a lot of sense to me. tight— speak a lot of sense to me. tight. moving— speak a lot of sense to me. right. moving on.- speak a lot of sense to me. right. moving on. i- speak a lot of sense to me. md moving on. i like speak a lot of sense to me. 33 moving on. i like this right. moving on. i like this etety— right. moving on. i like this etety. eet— right. moving on. i like this story. get patrick— 33 moving on. i like this story. get patrick on that etety— story. get patrick on that etety. eh— story. get patrick on that etety. oh, the— story. get patrick on that story. oh, the brecon beacons beacons, which— story. oh, the brecon beacons beacons, which is— story. oh, the brecon beacons beacons, which is a fabulous, etwnnhe— beacons, which is a fabulous, stunning, stunning part of whee.— stunning, stunning part of wales. absolutely ”cl wales. absolutely so they're going— wales. absolutely so they're going drop the name brecon going to drop the name brecon beacons from the national park. well, there's two theories on

this, but it's going to be called and i'll pronounce this with super confident but inadequate welsh. and i've written it watching phonetic hinckley rather than so i'm i'm calling it banagher brycheiniog. oh, very good. it's probably completely wrong. well, that sounds completely wrong. well, that eewhet geet— completely wrong. well, that sounds good to— completely wrong. well, that sounds good to us. - f 3 well, that sounds good to us. ' y completely wrong. well, that sounds good to us. anyway, there are two sort of complementary or contradictory reasons given for the name change. one is that the brecon beacons with its symbol of being this sort of burning wooden torch , if you like, the wooden torch, if you like, the beaconsis wooden torch, if you like, the beacons is undermine ing the race for carbon neutrality and burning carbon is an approach appropriate thing. absolutely and it's a traditional for symbol the hills to be to be to be lord of the rings. we had in the past. i think royal celebrations where they would light even at the turn of the millennium . i think they might millennium. i think they might have been carbon festival. but have been a carbon festival. but the other reason is this this feeling of it being a traditional all welsh name and

not some imported english term , not some imported english term, but i'm told that about 80% of the local population don't speak welsh . and i'm a bit of welsh. and i'm a bit of a cultural traditionalist, so i do not think like that, that if it's not broken, don't fix it . it's not broken, don't fix it. everyone knows the brecon beacons leave it well alone. 13.5. i think of welsh people eeeet— 13.5. i think of welsh people can speak welsh, but i go to certitt. — can speak welsh, but i go to certitt. ite— can speak welsh, but i go to cardiff. it's a— can speak welsh, but i go to cardiff. it's a lovely, fabulous international— cardiff. it's a lovely, fabulous international city. you've got the— international city. you've got the weieh— international city. you've got the welsh signs— international city. you've got the welsh signs everywhere. you never hear anybody talking welsh ? never hear anybody talking welsh i we. — never hear anybody talking welsh i we. in— never hear anybody talking welsh ? no. in .capital?_ never hear anybody talking welsh ? no. in capital? no. ? no. in the capital? no. so if they—e— ? no. in the capital? no. so if they—e eigh- ? no. in the capital? no. so if they—e sign in. they want to have a sign in brackets brecon beacons brackets below, brecon beacons with with the welsh version with the with the welsh version an absolutely but there's an absolutely fine. but there's an absolutely fine. but there's a slight sense maybe an english feeling very patronised by look patrick, i'm guessing you have some irish heritage. i do. so this, of course, is— some irish heritage. i do. so this, of course, is an- ” d i do. so this, of course, is an issue thet— this, of course, is an issue thet we— this, of course, is an issue that was huge _ this, of course, is an issue that was huge in ireland. yes eeihe— that was huge in ireland. yes eeihe teet— that was huge in ireland. yes going back as— that was huge in ireland. yes going back as far— that was huge in ireland. yes going back as far as you know, the — going back as far as you know, the thinking— going back as far as you know, i'm thinking of— going back as far as you know, i'm thinking of brian friel's translations— i'm thinking of brian friel's translations play , which is all translations play, which is all ehewt— translations play, which is all ehewt the— translations play, which is all about the invasion of the theiieh. — about the invasion of the english. and— about the invasion of the english. and the first thing thet— english. and the first thing thet they— english. and the first thing that they did— english. and the first thing that they did was anglicised the teneweee— that they did was anglicised the iehgwege. the— that they did was anglicised the language. the thing do language. the first thing you do is someone's language

is take away someone's language erg is take away someone's language the—weuit— is take away someone's language the—wewit eey- is take away someone's languagej erg—would say,-is is take away someone's language eimove would say, is is take away someone's language eimove forward would say, is is take away someone's language eimove forward to uld say, is is take away someone's language eimove forward to give ay, is is take away someone's language eimove forward to give us is is take away someone's language eimove forward to give us our is a move forward to give us our itehtity— a move forward to give us our itehtity heeh — a move forward to give us our identity back. but— a move forward to give us our identity back. but language teeeh-t— identity back. but language doesn't work— identity back. but language doesn't work if— identity back. but language doesn't work if people don't thew— doesn't work if people don't thew whet— doesn't work if people don't know what you're talking about. txeetiy. — know what you're talking about. txeetiy. veeh— know what you're talking about. exactly. yeah, absolutely. i ten-t— exactly. yeah, absolutely. i ten-t thew. — exactly. yeah, absolutely. i don't know. -of- exactly. yeah, absolutely. i don't know. -of me. exactly. yeah, absolutely. i. don't know. -of me feels don't know. a part of me feels like might again, going like this might be again, going into side of into the woke posturing side of things. it it is, it? things. it is. it is, isn't it? and is about the whole kind and this is about the whole kind of, talking of, you know, talking about climate change and the of climate change and the kind of eco and it's just way eco crisis. and it's just a way to oh, we do care to say, oh, yeah, we do care here. here we go. just here. we here we go. let's just let's just change a little symbol. the thing is, symbol. and the thing is, everyone on calling symbol. and the thing is, evbrecon on calling symbol. and the thing is, evbrecon beacons. on calling symbol. and the thing is, evbrecon beacons. that's.ing symbol. and the thing is, evbrecon beacons. that's the it brecon beacons. that's the peint—eeyl point. whatever they say, the ettieiei— point. whatever they say, the ettieiei-ei— point. whatever they say, the official-or-local- official signs or the local tewiet— official signs or the local tourist people— official signs or the local tourist people in the local heteie— tourist people in the local hotels, they'll— tourist people in the local hotels, they'll call it hotels, they'll all call it. it teete— feels tokenistic, doesn't it? het— feels tokenistic, doesn't it? hwtlhewe— feels tokenistic, doesn't it? hwtlheweleey.- feels tokenistic, doesn't it? butlhavelsay, i'm- feels tokenistic, doesn't it? butlhavelsay, i'm morel feels tokenistic, doesn't it? . butlhavelsay, i'm more on but i have to say, i'm more on board it being about the board with it being about the language the history language and the history that's embodied in the language than i am the beacons. yeah. what am about the beacons. yeah. what are on bonfire are they going to do on bonfire night? that's the inevitable consequence. yeah, it is consequence. yeah, it's it is extraordinary. _ consequence. yeah, it's it is extraordinary. - if- consequence. yeah, it's it is extraordinary. .if you - extraordinary. and if you remember fionn haig when she thet— remember fionn haig when she titet eet— remember fionn haig when she first got engaged. _ remember fionn haig when she first got engaged. yes and she wettet— first got engaged. yes and she wettet h— first got engaged. yes and she worked in the— first got engaged. yes and she worked in the welsh office and a lot worked in the welsh office and a iet wee— worked in the welsh office and a iet eeit— worked in the welsh office and a lot was said how— worked in the welsh office and a lot was said how she wrote her teeteiete— lot was said how she wrote her teeteiete h— lot was said how she wrote her doctorate in welsh. but people at doctorate in welsh. but people et the— doctorate in welsh. but people et the time— doctorate in welsh. but people at the time then— doctorate in welsh. but people at the time then were saying, wet,— at the time then were saying, weit-wee— at the time then were saying, well, was virtually dead well, she was virtually a dead

iengeege— well, she was virtually a deadi tenewege—heeh language. yes i think it's been ieeiiy— language. yes i think it's been teetiy geet— language. yes i think it's been really good .there- language. yes i think it's been really good there has been really good that there has been eehe-ewhheit— really good that there has been eehe-ewhheit. - really good that there has been some support. 't: really good that there has been some support . ' eighzitzii some state support. and i agree with— some state support. and i agree with you to an extent, beverly, about that , that importance of about that, that importance of the cultural tradition and the living language. and that's all fine. but i think if you push it to an extreme, you're you're creating a divisive ideology which tells welsh people in the united kingdom that english people in the united kingdom are an oppressed force. and i think that's totally outdated . whose that's totally outdated. whose decision was it? was- that's totally outdated. whose decision was it? was it- whose decision was it? was it the weieh— decision was it? was it the welsh assembly? \tt:::t decision was it? was it the welsh assembly? \t:::t welsh assembly? no, i think it's the authority that's in charge. it's a lady called catherine melling jones. oh, she sounds very— melling jones. oh, she sounds very weieh. — melling jones. oh, she sounds very welsh. she— melling jones. oh, she sounds very welsh. she sounds very welsh. and she was sort of quoted about the, the sort of the cultural reasons for doing it . but the cover story seems to it. but the cover story seems to be this this or we can't show carbon being burned . carbon being burned. straordinarie have you carbon being burned. - straordinarie have you ever been hewe— straordinarie have you ever been hewe yew— straordinarie have you ever been hewe yew eyei— straordinarie have you ever been have you ever been— straordinarie have you ever been have you ever been it's too etwhhihe— have you ever been it's too stunning there. _ have you ever been it's too stunning there. no, i haven't. 0h,— stunning there. no, i haven't. eh ite— stunning there. no, i haven't. eh it-e ieeiiy— stunning there. no, i haven't. oh, it's really lovely. well, ite— oh, it's really lovely. well, it's beautiful.— oh, it's really lovely. well, it's beautiful. _ oh, it's really lovely. well, it's beautiful. / oh, it's really lovely. well, it's beautiful. iciei�* i“ it's beautiful. yeah. i was in wales years ago when i was a

child. i just haven't had the opportunity to back and opportunity to go back and everybody tells me it's absolutely beautiful, beautiful. and got their absolutely beautiful, beautiful. and welsh got their absolutely beautiful, beautiful. and welsh tv got their absolutely beautiful, beautiful. and welsh tv channel. jot their absolutely beautiful, beautiful. and welsh tv channel. jot course. own welsh tv channel. of course. vee- — own welsh tv channel. of course. vee- .seee— own welsh tv channel. of course. yes. .sltc's s4c's. _ own welsh tv channel. of course. yes. s4c's s4c's. yeah, yes. yes. s4c's s4c's. yeah, yeeh. — yes. yes. sltc's s4c's. yeah, yeeh. tight— yes. yes. s4c's s4c's. yeah, yeeh. tight .— yes. yes. s4c's s4c's. yeah, yeah. right . strikes- yes. yes. s4c's s4c's. yeah, yeah. 3g f yeah. right. strikes patrick. yeah. we've got , you know, the, yeah. we've got, you know, the, the nurses are talking about striking for the rest of the yeah striking for the rest of the year. there is that kind of fall over because i sort of can't believe we're in april and believe we're only in april and we're talking about strikes until december. yes so i would say that there's— until december. yes so i would say that there's grounds- a. a jizitztzi ici; so i would say that there's grounds to teiieve— say that there's grounds to believe that— say that there's grounds to believe that actually we're eeeeii— believe that actually we're eeeeii te — believe that actually we're eeeeii te e— believe that actually we're closer to a resolution. i agree with— closer to a resolution. i agree with yew— closer to a resolution. i agree with you because— closer to a resolution. i agree with you because the nurses i think— with you because the nurses i think the— with you because the nurses i think the wey— with you because the nurses i think the way the _ with you because the nurses i think the way the law works, they— think the way the law works, they heet— think the way the law works, they need te — think the way the law works, they need to renew their mandate for they need to renew their mandate tei ihtwetiiei— they need to renew their mandate for industrial action— they need to renew their mandate for industrial action and that eewit— for industrial action and that eewit wh— for industrial action and that could run for— for industrial action and that could run for a— for industrial action and that could run for a six month. tight. — could run for a six month. tight. se— could run for a six month. right. so they're going to get a etiite— right. so they're going to get a etiite h— right. so they're going to get a etiite in et— right. so they're going to get a strike in at the— right. so they're going to get a strike in at the end of april, which— strike in at the end of april, whieh ie— strike in at the end of april, which is their— strike in at the end of april, which is their last date for the current— which is their last date for the ewweht-aht- which is their last date for thei current-and-the current mandate. and then the itch— current mandate. and then the itch-geing— current mandate. and then the itcwlgeihg te— current mandate. and then the itcwlgeihg te 90— current mandate. and then the rcn going to go back to the rcn is going to go back to the hehehe— rcn is going to go back to the memte te— rcn is going to go back to the etee te thy— rcn is going to go back to the members to try and get a mandate for members to try and get a mandate tei hew— members to try and get a mandate for new strikes. _ members to try and get a mandate for new strikes. reality, for new strikes. but in reality, iietty— for new strikes. but in reality, motty traditionally, the motty unison traditionally, the —eeh- motty unison traditionally, the more—has voted| motty unison traditionally, the. more _has voted to more militant union has voted to eeeett— more militant union has voted to eeeett the— more militant union has voted to accept the deal.— more militant union has voted to accept the deal. the rcn had a 54 accept the deal. the rcn had a te te— accept the deal. the rcn had a te te te— accept the deal. the rcn had a 54 to 46 against— accept the deal. the rcn had a 54 to 46 against the deal, but

them— 54 to 46 against the deal, but them e— 54 to 46 against the deal, but more than a third— 54 to 46 against the deal, but more than a third of members tith-t— more than a third of members tith-t vete— more than a third of members didn't vote. so— more than a third of members didn't vote. so i— more than a third of members didn't vote. so i think they're on didn't vote. so i think they're eh very— didn't vote. so i think they're eh wety meehe— didn't vote. so i think they're on very fragile grounds to try emt— on very fragile grounds to try and escalate— on very fragile grounds to try and escalate industrial action. the— and escalate industrial action. me it— and escalate industrial action. and if ministers— and escalate industrial action. and if ministers play their eerie— and if ministers play their eeite tight,— and if ministers play their cards right, i— and if ministers play their cards right, i think they can see a resolution— cards right, i think they can see a resolution to this by the mittie— see a resolution to this by the mittie et— see a resolution to this by the middle of the— see a resolution to this by the middle of the year at the ieteet— middle of the year at the latest. and— middle of the year at the latest. and i— middle of the year at the latest. and i sense pat cullen, the— latest. and i sense pat cullen, the heet— latest. and i sense pat cullen, the heet et— latest. and i sense pat cullen, the head of the— latest. and i sense pat cullen, the head of the royal college of wweihe— the head of the royal college of wweihe ie— the head of the royal college of wweihe ie im— the head of the royal college of wweimg, ie in e— the head of the royal college of nursing, is in a very uncomfortable position. reluctant, _ uncomfortable position. reluctant, negotiators professional negotiators recommended . yes. recommended to nurses. yes. accept— recommended to nurses. yes. accept-teet— recommended to nurses. yes. accept. deal. .and - recommended to nurses. yes. accept-deal.-and as. recommended to nurses. yes. accept deal. and as you accept the deal. yes. and as you pointed out, a third of people didn't bother to in didn't even bother to vote in it. yes so the actual people who are-more industrial- are gung for more industrial eetiem— are gung for more industrial eetiem-wiii- action in action will be a mimeiity— action in action will be a mimetity .— action in action will be a minority . and- action in action will be a minority . and given their unison minority. and given their unison eetieeeeee— minority. and given their unison colleagues have— minority. and given their unison colleagues have voted to accept it. i— colleagues have voted to accept it. i think— colleagues have voted to accept it. i think e— colleagues have voted to accept it. i think a competent government- it. i think a competent government can can grind down the miiitemte— government can can grind down the militants and— government can can grind down the militants and i think it's eemihe— the militants and i think it's eemime te— the militants and i think it's eemimg te eh— the militants and i think it's coming to an end. cit» the militants and i think it's coming to an end. at; i the militants and i think it's coming to an end. cit» i mean, coming to an end. i do. i mean, i coming to an end. i do. i mean, i hete— coming to an end. i do. i mean, i hete ee— coming to an end. i do. i mean, i hete eeetie— coming to an end. i do. i mean, i hope so. people are— coming to an end. cit» i mean, i hope so. people are people are getting— i hope so. people are people are getting e— i hope so. people are people are getting e tittie— i hope so. people are people are getting a little bit— i hope so. people are people are getting a little bit bored of it . ant— getting a little bit bored of it . ant it— getting a little bit bored of it now . and it is— getting a little bit bored of it now . and it is it's tiresome and now. and it is it's tiresome and we ten-t— now. and it is it's tiresome and we een-t teet— now. and it is it's tiresome and we can't keep going on like thie— we can't keep going on like the. ite— we can't keep going on like this. it's affecting , you know, this. it's affecting, you know, heetiteie— this. it's affecting, you know, hospitals and _ this. it's affecting, you know, hospitals and the way people are time— hospitals and the way people are tint et— hospitals and the way people are kind of operating— hospitals and the way people are kind of operating and getting to then— kind of operating and getting to their appointments. the doctors and their appointments. the doctors ent , it— their appointments. the doctors and nurses , it just, you know,

and nurses, it just, you know, it ten-t— and nurses, it just, you know, it een-t ge— and nurses, it just, you know, it een-t ge en— and nurses, it just, you know, it een-t ge — and nurses, it just, you know, it can't go on. the- and nurses, it just, you know, it can't go on. �*" g it can't go on. the first time even it can't go on. the first time ever, bushra , i one of my kids ever, bushra, i one of my kids fell off bike. doddie aid fell off his bike. doddie aid broke collarbone for the broke his collarbone for the first was really first time ever. i was really frightened that weren't going first time ever. i was really fri getined that weren't going first time ever. i was really fri getined treatment eren't going first time ever. i was really fri getined treatment on n't going first time ever. i was really fri getined treatment on the joing first time ever. i was really fri getined treatment on the nhs to get the treatment on the nhs because in there because we walked in and there was out of the building was a queue out of the building and they said we can't see anyone. to come back anyone. you've got to come back at come back tomorrow. anyone. you've got to come back at i come back tomorrow. anyone. you've got to come back at i said, come back tomorrow. anyone. you've got to come back at i said, whatme back tomorrow. anyone. you've got to come back at i said, what do back tomorrow. anyone. you've got to come back at i said, what do i ack tomorrow. anyone. you've got to come back at i said, what do i do tomorrow. anyone. you've got to come back at i said, what do i do withorrow. anyone. you've got to come back at i said, what do i do with aniw. anyone. you've got to come back at year d, what do i do with aniw. anyone. you've got to come back at year d, \i\withdo i do with aniw. anyone. you've got to come back at year d, \i\with a i do with aniw. anyone. you've got to come back at year d, \i\with a brokenith aniw. 18 year old with a broken collarbone? are you telling me to to bed take to go back to bed and take him and to bed? anyway, in and put him to bed? anyway, in the it out that the the end, it turned out that the nhs, which was at the back of the hospital, was working brilliantly. the front of the hospital, the urgent care was a private concession and actually going of that going on. there's more of that going on. there's more of that going we realise within going on than we realise within the greater the nhs and it's this greater creep privatisation with creep towards privatisation with out service. yeah. yeah out a better service. yeah. yeah and interestingly— out a better service. yeah. yeah and interestingly-well,- it»: yeah. yeah and interestingly well, wes and interestingly as well, wes streeting— and interestingly as well, wes streeting labour's streeting, who is labour's heeith— streeting, who is labour's health spokesman, many people see health spokesman, many people eee-the— health spokesman, many people eee-the tight— health spokesman, many people see the bright hope for see him as the bright hope for the-potentially- see him as the bright hope for the potentially future the future, potentially a future teeten — the future, potentially a future teeten .wee— the future, potentially a future leader. was critical of leader. he's was critical of thie— leader. he's was critical of thie twe— leader. he's was critical of thie itwc . — leader. he's was critical of this rnc . yes,- leader. he's was critical of this rnc. ici; leader. he's was critical of this rnc . ici; f leader. he's was critical of- this rnc . yes, he actually came this rnc. yes, he actually came out and said he didn't support it, which is quite daring. the rcn are running out- it, which is quite daring. the rcn are running out of- g it t: an?” g the rcn are running out of friends teet— rcn are running out of friends teet. wee.— rcn are running out of friends fast. yes. have— rcn are running out of friends fast. yes. have we— rcn are running out of friends fast. yes. have we got time for enethen— fast. yes. have we got time for enethen we,— fast. yes. have we got time for another? no, that's our last. weie—

another? no, that's our last. were running— another? no, that's our last. we're running out of time. and thie— we're running out of time. and thie witt— we're running out of time. and thie witi te— we're running out of time. and this will be and— we're running out of time. and this will be and i— we're running out of time. and this will be and i suspect there wen-t— this will be and i suspect there wen-t te— this will be and i suspect there wen-t te eny— this will be and i suspect there won't be any triumphalism from minietete— won't be any triumphalism from minietete en— won't be any triumphalism from ministers on this— won't be any triumphalism from ministers on this .— won't be any triumphalism from ministers on this . be no behind ministers on this. be no behind the eete-eee— ministers on this. be no behind the scenes. can— ministers on this. be no behind the scenes. can i— ministers on this. be no behind the scenes. can i say there's no ministers on this. be no behind the stmoneyian i say there's no ministers on this. be no behind the stmoney because there's no ministers on this. be no behind the stmoney because the �*e's no ministers on this. be no behind the stmoney because the junior more money because the junior teeteie— more money because the junior teeteie-eeting— more money because the junior doctors-asking-i. doctors are asking for 35. i tnew.— doctors are asking for 35. i knew which— doctors are asking for 35. i know. which is— doctors are asking for 35. i know. which is nuts.- doctors are asking for 35. i know. which is nuts. you can't punish unison. that's accepted the by giving the rcn more the deal by giving the rcn more . right, guys? patrick, bushra, thent— . right, guys? patrick, bushra, thent yeu— . right, guys? patrick, bushra, thent yee ee— right, guys? patrick, bushra, thank you so much. in just a memem— thank you so much. in just a moment, we're— thank you so much. in just a moment, we're going have more on senet— moment, we're going have more on tenet—whe— moment, we're going have more on tenet—twe enti- sunak tackling this uk's anti methe— sunak tackling this uk's anti maths mindset,— sunak tackling this uk's anti maths mindset, as he calls it. thie— maths mindset, as he calls it. ihie ie— maths mindset, as he calls it. ihie ie ie— maths mindset, as he calls it. this is to the— maths mindset, as he calls it. this is to the point and gb wewe. — this is to the point and gb news. britain's— this is to the point and gb news. britain's news channel. teiie— news. britain's news channel. heite there. — news. britain's news channel. hello there. welcome- news. britain's news channel. hello there. welcome to - news. britain's news channel. hello there. welcome to your weather update. i'm claire nasir and here are your headlines. a few showers dotted around today, but generally it's a dry one with some warm sunshine. now here's your bigger picture. the high pressure has extended down from scandinavia. the winds remain light through this afternoon. a pleasant day to be out and about. now we did see a lot of cloud through this morning. it will be fairly stubborn through this afternoon, but some holes allowing some brighter skies, particularly towards the east. now, the winds will be fairly light. and if you

catch any sunshine , it's going catch any sunshine, it's going to warm just the outside to feel warm just the outside chance of a shower through this afternoon. for wales southwestern parts of scotland. here are your temperatures rising to the mid, if not the high teens. so a pleasant afternoon to come now through this evening and overnight. the cloud will tend to fade away. but notice across the east coast, this is low cloud and it will gradually drift in through the night and into tomorrow morning. so yet again, a bit of a cloudy start. favoured spots through tomorrow morning for some sunshine in western parts of wales. north west england, northwestern parts of scotland and a bit of a chilly one to start tuesday through tuesday. then yet again , the cloud will then yet again, the cloud will break. there's a very small chance of a shower towards the south. will pick up south. the winds will pick up from the east, along from the east, so cooler along the coast. highest temperatures will be western scotland, northwest england , northern northwest england, northern ireland coming in yet again around 17 or 18 c, but much lower along this eastern and southern strip. 13 to 15 c. and

that pretty much sets the scene for the middle part of the week through wednesday and into thursday. yes yet again, we're chasing cloud yet again. the winds coming in from a cool nonh winds coming in from a cool north sea. it will be the western parts where we'll see the best of any sunshine. a few showers dotted around as well, particularly towards more southern areas. so here's your outlook through the next few days. outlook through the next few days . relatively warm in the days. relatively warm in the west. cool along that east

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weekend, but there are growing splits-the union- weekend, but there are growing splits the union movement splits within the union movement . es— splits within the union movement . es peepte— splits within the union movement . es peepte ete— splits within the union movement . 65 people are in— splits within the union movement . 65 people are in custody after animal rights activists broke onto the grand national on saturday, delaying the start of the race. activists from animal rising are calling forjump racing to be banned after three horses died at aintree . we're horses died at aintree. we're going to be discussing that and the queen consort. that's camilla the queen consult. that's camilla tominey- gistzitzi“ f that's camilla tominey after she was hurt:— camilla tominey after she was ten, ettetentty— camilla tominey after she was ten, ettetentiy .— camilla tominey after she was hurt, apparently . of course, she hurt, apparently. of course, she ty— hurt, apparently. of course, she ty the— hurt, apparently. of course, she was by the duke— hurt, apparently. of course, she was by the duke of sussex tienting— was by the duke of sussex branding her— was by the duke of sussex branding her a— was by the duke of sussex branding her a villain in his teet— branding her a villain in his teet seete.— branding her a villain in his book spare. he— branding her a villain in his book spare. he also referred to her-wicket— book spare. he also referred to her wicked stepmother . her as a wicked stepmother. theme— her as a wicked stepmother. heehte ent— her as a wicked stepmother. bushra and patrick- her as a wicked stepmother. bushra and patrick will- her as a wicked stepmother. bushra and patrick will be back in studio as well to go through some big stories, including the front page of the mirror, which is about scandal is all about a vaping scandal and teens, don't want to and teens, you don't want to miss that. but first of all, here are your news headlines with armstrong . on very with arron armstrong. on very good morning to you. it- g very good morning to you. it is 1101. i-m — good morning to you. it is 1101. i-m tnen— good morning to you. it is 1101. i'm arron armstrong in the gb wewe— i'm arron armstrong in the gb news newsroom.— i'm arron armstrong in the gb news newsroom. rishi sunak says teet— news newsroom. rishi sunak says teet neey— news newsroom. rishi sunak says teet meey ent— news newsroom. rishi sunak says poor numeracy and an anti maths minteet— poor numeracy and an anti maths minteet ie— poor numeracy and an anti maths mindset is costing— poor numeracy and an anti maths

mindset is costing the uk eeemy— mindset is costing the uk economy tens— mindset is costing the uk economy tens of billions of teente— economy tens of billions of teente every— economy tens of billions of pounds every year. the prime iiinietei— pounds every year. the prime iiinietei ie— pounds every year. the prime minister is setting up a review to ensure maths— minister is setting up a review to ensure maths is studied by all to ensure maths is studied by eit etetente— to ensure maths is studied by all students in— to ensure maths is studied by all students in england up to the ege— all students in england up to the ege et— all students in england up to the ege et ie— all students in england up to the age of 18 without making it eemteteety— the age of 18 without making it eemteieety et— the age of 18 without making it compulsory at a—level. he's weming— compulsory at a—level. he's warning without— compulsory at a—level. he's warning without the right eteeetien — warning without the right education, children are being iett— education, children are being iett tehint— education, children are being left behind and— education, children are being left behind and shut out of tetentiei— left behind and shut out of potential careers. he's also eiitieieet— potential careers. he's also criticised the _ potential careers. he's also criticised the culture that it's etey— criticised the culture that it's etey te— criticised the culture that it's etey te te— criticised the culture that it's okay to be bad— criticised the culture that it's okay to be bad at the subject, eieiming— okay to be bad at the subject, eieiming it— okay to be bad at the subject, claiming it leaves— okay to be bad at the subject, claiming it leaves people twice as claiming it leaves people twice ee iiteiy— claiming it leaves people twice ee iiteiy te— claiming it leaves people twice as likely to be— claiming it leaves people twice as likely to be unemployed as theee— as likely to be unemployed as theee whe— as likely to be unemployed as those who have— as likely to be unemployed as those who have competent skills. the those who have competent skills. the wt— those who have competent skills. the uk it— those who have competent skills. the we is ene— those who have competent skills. the uk is one of— those who have competent skills. the uk is one of the— those who have competent skills. the uk is one of the least- the uk is one of the least numerate countries in the developed world. more than 8 million adults have numeracy skills below those expected of a nine year old and around a third of our young people don't pass maths, gcse . we make jokes about maths, gcse. we make jokes about not being able to do maths. it's socially accepted . all we say socially accepted. all we say things like , oh, maths, i can't things like, oh, maths, i can't do that. it's not for me. and everyone laughs. but we'd never make a joke like that about not being able to read . the nhs is

being able to read. the nhs is being able to read. the nhs is being accused of shocking waste after research found it was spending more than £1 million a week on private ambulances for emergency calls. the unison tete— emergency calls. the unison tiete men— emergency calls. the unison trade union says— emergency calls. the unison trade union says its- gf f the unison trade union says its figures are teeet— trade union says its figures are teeet en— trade union says its figures are based on responses from two thirte— based on responses from two three et— based on responses from two thirds of ambulance trusts in tngient— thirds of ambulance trusts in tngient .— thirds of ambulance trusts in ingient . it— thirds of ambulance trusts in england . it says— thirds of ambulance trusts in england . it says more than england. it says more than a teen— england. it says more than a dozen private— england. it says more than a dozen private companies have teen— dozen private companies have teen teet— dozen private companies have teen heet te— dozen private companies have been used to try— dozen private companies have been used to try to plug holes ent— been used to try to plug holes ent meet— been used to try to plug holes and meet response times amid whet— and meet response times amid whet ite— and meet response times amid what it's calling— and meet response times amid what it's calling an overwhelming demand. the tetenment— overwhelming demand. the department of— overwhelming demand. the department of health says it's wetting— department of health says it's wetting hert— department of health says it's working hard to— department of health says it's working hard to improve ambulance— working hard to improve ambulance waiting times . hillary ambulance waiting times. hillary ciinten— ambulance waiting times. hillary ciinten hee— ambulance waiting times. hillary clinton has urged— ambulance waiting times. hillary clinton has urged politicians in weithem— clinton has urged politicians in northern ireland— clinton has urged politicians in northern ireland to return to tewei— northern ireland to return to tewet ehethg— northern ireland to return to power sharing, saying the winteei— power sharing, saying the windsor framework provides a teth— windsor framework provides a teth tetweit. — windsor framework provides a path forward. she was speaking at path forward. she was speaking et eem-eee— path forward. she was speaking at queen's university in belfast to at queen's university in belfast te eeem— at queen's university in belfast te eten e— at queen's university in belfast te eten e three— at queen's university in belfast to open a three day conference to open a three day conference te mett— to open a three day conference te meet the— to open a three day conference to mark the 25th— to open a three day conference to mark the 25th anniversary of the teet— to mark the 25th anniversary of the good friday— to mark the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement . now the good friday agreement. now she the good friday agreement. now ehe hee— the good friday agreement. now she has praised— the good friday agreement. now she has praised the deal as a tee— she has praised the deal as a tee triumph— she has praised the deal as a true triumph of— she has praised the deal as a true triumph of diplomacy , but true triumph of diplomacy, but wemet— true triumph of diplomacy, but wemet thet— true triumph of diplomacy, but warned that peace and prosperity in the— warned that peace and prosperity in the tiewinee— warned that peace and prosperity in the province remains ineemtiete— in the province remains incomplete whilst the assembly is incomplete whilst the assembly ie net— incomplete whilst the assembly ie net running— incomplete whilst the assembly is not running .— incomplete whilst the assembly is not running . former us is not running. former us ineeitent— is not running. former us president bill— is not running. former us president bill clinton , sir tony

president bill clinton, sir tony tieii— president bill clinton, sir tony tieii ent— president bill clinton, sir tony blair and senator— president bill clinton, sir tony blair and senator george iiiteheit— blair and senator george mitchell, the— blair and senator george mitchell, the man who helped to teeter— mitchell, the man who helped to teeter the — mitchell, the man who helped to broker the peace— mitchell, the man who helped to broker the peace negotiations in 1998,— broker the peace negotiations in ages, witt— broker the peace negotiations in 1998, will also— broker the peace negotiations in 1998, will also take part in a vigi— 1998, will also take part in a wigii hee— 1998, will also take part in a vigil has been— 1998, will also take part in a vigil has been held for four peepte— vigil has been held for four teette whe— vigil has been held for four people who died in a mass eheeting— people who died in a mass eheeting in— people who died in a mass shooting in the— people who died in a mass shooting in the us state of aieteme— shooting in the us state of aieteme .— shooting in the us state of alabama . 28— shooting in the us state of alabama . 28 people were also alabama. 28 people were also injured— alabama. 28 people were also intwet when— alabama. 28 people were also injured when shots were fired at a injured when shots were fired at e teth— injured when shots were fired at eieth tiithtey— injured when shots were fired at a 16th birthday party on setwtey. — a 16th birthday party on saturday. very few details, theegh— saturday. very few details, theegh ,— saturday. very few details, theegh , et— saturday. very few details, though , of the— saturday. very few details, though , of the incident have though, of the incident have emerged— though, of the incident have emerged ,— though, of the incident have emerged , with— though, of the incident have emerged , with police yet to emerged, with police yet to eentiim — emerged, with police yet to eentiim it— emerged, with police yet to confirm if the _ emerged, with police yet to confirm if the suspect was one of confirm if the suspect was one et theee — confirm if the suspect was one of those killed— confirm if the suspect was one of those killed or— confirm if the suspect was one of those killed or has been teten— of those killed or has been teten inte— of those killed or has been taken into custody. there have teen— taken into custody. there have teen iee— taken into custody. there have been 160 mass— taken into custody. there have been 160 mass shootings in the whitet— been 160 mass shootings in the united states— been 160 mass shootings in the united states this— been 160 mass shootings in the united states this year , almost united states this year, almost too— united states this year, almost 100 civilians— united states this year, almost 100 civilians have— united states this year, almost 100 civilians have been killed in sheen— 100 civilians have been killed in stem ee— 100 civilians have been killed in sudan as fierce— 100 civilians have been killed in sudan as fierce fighting tetween— in sudan as fierce fighting between the— in sudan as fierce fighting between the army and paramilitary- between the army and paramilitary forces continues for paramilitary forces continues tei e— paramilitary forces continues tr e thit— paramilitary forces continues for a third day.— paramilitary forces continues for a third day. more than 360 peepte— for a third day. more than 360 teette hete— for a third day. more than 360 people have also— for a third day. more than 360 people have also been injured as the rivet— people have also been injured as the rival factions— people have also been injured as the rival factions battle for eentiei— the rival factions battle for control across— the rival factions battle for control across the capital, thetteem. — control across the capital, khartoum. explosions and gunfire hete— khartoum. explosions and gunfire hewe teen— khartoum. explosions and gunfire have been reported this morning ettei— have been reported this morning ettei the— have been reported this morning after the sides— have been reported this morning after the sides agreed a temtetety— after the sides agreed a temporary ceasefire to evacuate the weentet— temporary ceasefire to evacuate

the wounded on— temporary ceasefire to evacuate the wounded on sunday. more than teee— the wounded on sunday. more than seee peepte— the wounded on sunday. more than seee teette hete— the wounded on sunday. more than 5000 people have crossed the tngiieh— 5000 people have crossed the english channel— 5000 people have crossed the english channel in small boats thie— english channel in small boats thie yeei— english channel in small boats thie yeei .— english channel in small boats thie yeei. et— english channel in small boats this year. gb news can exclusively— this year. gb news can exclusively reveal. around 120 peepte— exclusively reveal. around 120 teette hete— exclusively reveal. around 120 people have arrived today with three— people have arrived today with thee emeti— people have arrived today with three small boats— people have arrived today with three small boats intercepted by uk authorities.— three small boats intercepted by uk authorities. it— three small boats intercepted by uk authorities. it comes after a ewge— uk authorities. it comes after a ewge in— uk authorities. it comes after a surge in crossings— uk authorities. it comes after a surge in crossings as criminal peepte— surge in crossings as criminal people smuggling gangs take etwentege— people smuggling gangs take etwentege et— people smuggling gangs take advantage of better weather eentitiene— advantage of better weather eentitiene .— advantage of better weather conditions . a— advantage of better weather conditions . a cheap flights may conditions. a cheap flights may tee— conditions. a cheap flights may tee e— conditions. a cheap flights may become a thing— conditions. a cheap flights may become a thing of— conditions. a cheap flights may become a thing of the past as the— become a thing of the past as the tit— become a thing of the past as the we mee— become a thing of the past as the uk moves towards greener air teeet.— the uk moves towards greener air tiewei. the— the uk moves towards greener air travel. the uk's— the uk moves towards greener air travel. the uk's aviation inteetty— travel. the uk's aviation industry has— travel. the uk's aviation industry has acknowledged the teet— industry has acknowledged the eeet et— industry has acknowledged the cost of decarbonising air travel witt— cost of decarbonising air travel witi iiteiy— cost of decarbonising air travel wiit titeiy tet— cost of decarbonising air travel will likely put some people off tiying— will likely put some people off ttying .— will likely put some people off ttying . the— will likely put some people off flying . the government says it's flying. the government says it's eemmittet— flying. the government says it's eemmittet te— flying. the government says it's committed to helping the eitiinee— committed to helping the airlines accelerate new teehneiegy— airlines accelerate new technology and move away from teeet— technology and move away from teeeii teete— technology and move away from teeeii mete .— technology and move away from fossil fuels . airlines are fossil fuels. airlines are eeiiing— fossil fuels. airlines are calling for— fossil fuels. airlines are calling for the government to mete— calling for the government to mete green— calling for the government to make green fuel— calling for the government to make green fuel cheaper. travel expen— make green fuel cheaper. travel expert simen— make green fuel cheaper. travel expert simon calder says planes witt— expert simon calder says planes will eventually— expert simon calder says planes will eventually be— expert simon calder says planes will eventually be electrically teweiet— will eventually be electrically teweiet ei— will eventually be electrically powered or will— will eventually be electrically powered or will run on hydrogen. as powered or will run on hydrogen. we we— powered or will run on hydrogen. as we move towards net zero. teeme— as we move towards net zero. teetie — as we move towards net zero. people are flying— as we move towards net zero. people are flying around, they ten-t— people are flying around, they ten-t een— people are flying around, they don't even realise it, but

they-ie— don't even realise it, but they're flying _ don't even realise it, but they're flying on sustainable ewietien— they're flying on sustainable aviation fuel. _ they're flying on sustainable aviation fuel. the trouble is this stuff is ferociously expensive and there isn't enough of it. there is going to be an impact . about 14% fewer impact. about 14% fewer passenger cars than would otherwise be as a result of the increase costs. so that's going to help us get to net zero, although obviously we don't really like the idea of fewer passenger flying . and the brecon passenger flying. and the brecon tee— passenger flying. and the brecon beacons national— passenger flying. and the brecon beacons national park— passenger flying. and the brecon beacons national park is- beacons national park is ehenging— beacons national park is ehenging ite— beacons national park is changing its name as a direct eeetee te— changing its name as a direct response to the— changing its name as a direct response to the climate crisis . response to the climate crisis. ite— response to the climate crisis. it-e new— response to the climate crisis. it-e geing— response to the climate crisis. it's now going to— response to the climate crisis. it's now going to adopt the weieh— it's now going to adopt the weieh me— it's now going to adopt the welsh name of— it's now going to adopt the welsh name of banai brycheiniog wetienei— welsh name of banai brycheiniog wetienei teth— welsh name of banai brycheiniog national park, where the bannow for national park, where the bannow tei eheet— national park, where the bannow tei eheit. the— national park, where the bannow for short. the park's managers say— for short. the park's managers eey the— for short. the park's managers say the current— for short. the park's managers say the current name refers to weet— say the current name refers to weet timing— say the current name refers to wood burning and carbon emitting teee which— wood burning and carbon emitting beacons, which no— wood burning and carbon emitting beacons, which no longer fit the ethee— beacons, which no longer fit the ethee et— beacons, which no longer fit the ethee et the— beacons, which no longer fit the ethos of the park.— beacons, which no longer fit the ethos of the park. they prefer it te— ethos of the park. they prefer it te te— ethos of the park. they prefer it to be celebrated for its netwei— it to be celebrated for its natural and— it to be celebrated for its natural and cultural heritage by teeeming— natural and cultural heritage by teeeming net— natural and cultural heritage by becoming net zero by 2035. thet-e— becoming net zero by 2035. thet-e it— becoming net zero by 2035. thet-e it tei— becoming net zero by 2035. that's it for the _ becoming net zero by 2035. that's it for the moment. this is that's it for the moment. this ie et— that's it for the moment. this ie et wewe— that's it for the moment. this is gb news more— that's it for the moment. this is gb news more as it happens, but is gb news more as it happens, tut new— is gb news more as it happens, tut ite— is gb news more as it happens, but now it's back— is gb news more as it happens, but now it's back to andrew and

. tev— .bev ill . bev i think it's fair to say it's the prime he wants the prime hobby horse. he wants more so it's more kids to do maths, so it's going to be included apparently right up until 18 and there'll be new qualification for be a new qualification for teachers at primary school level . rishi sunaks new task force is going— . rishi sunaks new task force is geing te— . rishi sunaks new task force is geing te techie— rishi sunaks new task force is going to tackle what he calls an enti— going to tackle what he calls an enti methe— going to tackle what he calls an anti maths mindset, which is hintenng— anti maths mindset, which is hindering the— anti maths mindset, which is hindering the country's economic giewth— hindering the country's economic giewth .— hindering the country's economic gtewth . iet-e— hindering the country's economic growth . let's have— hindering the country's economic growth . let's have a listen to growth. let's have a listen to whet— growth. let's have a listen to whet-eete.— growth. let's have a listen to what-said. we— growth. let's have a listen to what said. we make jokes what he said. we make jokes eteet— what he said. we make jokes eteet-teing— what he said. we make jokes about being able what he said. we make jokes- about-being able-maths about not being able to do maths teeee— about not being able to do maths teeee ite— about not being able to do maths because it's acceptable because it's socially acceptable . we— because it's socially acceptable . we eey— because it's socially acceptable . we eey things— because it's socially acceptable . we say things like,- because it's socially acceptable . we say things like, oh- because it's socially acceptable . we say things like, oh , maths, . we say things like, oh, maths, i can't do that. it's not for me. and everyone laughs, but we never make a joke like that about not being able to read . so about not being able to read. so we've got to change this anti maths mindset . we've got to maths mindset. we've got to start prising numeracy for what it is a key skill. every bit as essential as reading . so my essential as reading. so my campaign to transform our national approach to maths is

not some nice to have. it's about changing how we value maths in our country and changing the way our education system works to deliver it. so that all our children get these vital skills for life . but vital skills for life. but that's the prime- . e ”iii but that's the prime minister timing.— that's the prime minister teining. wew— that's the prime minister joining. now for more on this is the tetety— joining. now for more on this is the deputy editor— joining. now for more on this is the deputy editor of conservativehome henry hill and the—the— conservativehome henry hill and the—the campaign. conservativehome henry hill and the the campaign for the chairman of the campaign for teet— the chairman of the campaign for teeet—tnewn- real education, well known to thie—chne- real education, well known to. this—chris mcgovern. this programme, chris mcgovern. weming— this programme, chris mcgovern. iiemihiit— this programme, chris mcgovern. iiemiihiit it— this programme, chris mcgovern. morniihill, if i— this programme, chris mcgovern. morniihill, if i could to henry hill, if i could talk to you— henry hill, if i could talk to yet thet.— henry hill, if i could talk to you first. politically, is you first. politically, this is a you first. politically, this is e-tei— you first. politically, this is e-tei the- you first. politically, this is a-for the prime. a big issue for the prime iiinieten— a big issue for the prime minister. we— a big issue for the prime minister. we know talks about minister. we know he talks about it-etete— minister. we know he talks about it-etete eteet- minister. we know he talks about it-spoke about it- it a lot. he spoke about it three— it a lot. he spoke about it three months— it a lot. he spoke about it three months we're three months ago. we're just eeeing— three months ago. we're just eeeing en— three months ago. we're just seeing on from _ three months ago. we're just seeing on from views coming seeing on from the views coming inte— seeing on from the views coming inte et— seeing on from the views coming inte et newe— seeing on from the views coming into gb news. it— seeing on from the views coming into gb news. it seems to be getting— into gb news. it seems to be getting e— into gb news. it seems to be getting a thumbs— into gb news. it seems to be getting a thumbs from people getting a thumbs up from people wetehing— getting a thumbs up from people wetting—.- getting a thumbs up from people wetehing—. veeh- getting a thumbs up from peoplei watching_. yeah and watching and listening. yeah and it ie— watching and listening. yeah and it ie e— watching and listening. yeah and it ie e ieeiiy— watching and listening. yeah and it is a really important topic. heet— it is a really important topic. heet when— it is a really important topic. heet when i— it is a really important topic. back when i worked- it is a really important topic. back when i worked in- back when i worked in parliament, i worked for some mps on who were dealing with frauds and the campaign for financial education young frauds and the campaign for financié and ucation young frauds and the campaign for financiéand ifation young frauds and the campaign for financiéand if people young frauds and the campaign for financiéand if people comeg frauds and the campaign for financiéand if people come out people, and if people come out of school without proper numeracy, it doesn't just affect their ability to get jobs. it makes them more vulnerable to ettiete— makes them more vulnerable to scam artists. it— makes them more vulnerable to scam artists. it affects their etiiity— scam artists. it affects their etiiity te— scam artists. it affects their ability to save _ scam artists. it affects their ability to save and their

household— ability to save and their household finances. so there are huge— household finances. so there are huge implications— huge implications of this. i think— huge implications of this. i think the— huge implications of this. i think the problem is why does it heet— think the problem is why does it need te— think the problem is why does it need to involve— think the problem is why does it need to involve extending eteeetien— need to involve extending education maths to 18 rather education at maths to 18 rather then— education at maths to 18 rather then teet— education at maths to 18 rather than just making— education at maths to 18 rather than just making sure that the meme— than just making sure that the methe thet— than just making sure that the maths that people get up age maths that people get up to age of maths that people get up to age et-tit— maths that people get up to age et-tit tei— maths that people get up to age of-fit for purpose - maths that people get up to age of fit for purpose ? “413? i“ of 16 is fit for purpose? yeah, its— of 16 is fit for purpose? yeah, it e— of 16 is fit for purpose? yeah, it e very.— of 16 is fit for purpose? yeah, it e very. very— of 16 is fit for purpose? yeah, it's a very, very good question actually. and probably chris mcgovern the person mcgovern might be the person that answer us. why that can answer that for us. why aren't teenagers aren't children teenagers leaving school with a good enough maths education? chris it's because they're not given the foundations in primary school by the age of 15, our youngsters are about three years behind the youngsters in the rest of the asia pacific countries such as south korea and singapore , for so the and singapore, for so the foundations aren't being put there. what we have today is an emergency— there. what we have today is an emergency situation— there. what we have today is an emergency situation .— s::”i: what we have today is an emergency situation . what si:”t:i what we have today is an emergency situation . what rishi emergency situation. what rishi senet— emergency situation. what rishi senet ie— emergency situation. what rishi senet ie teing— emergency situation. what rishi sunak is doing and give him eietit— sunak is doing and give him eietit tei— sunak is doing and give him credit for this— sunak is doing and give him credit for this is— sunak is doing and give him credit for this is trying to ettieee— credit for this is trying to address the— credit for this is trying to address the problem in the short term— address the problem in the short term ent— address the problem in the short term ent it— address the problem in the short term and it may— address the problem in the short term and it may be a short term eeietien— term and it may be a short term eeietien tet— term and it may be a short term solution, but ultimately we've got solution, but ultimately we've get te— solution, but ultimately we've get te get— solution, but ultimately we've get te get it— solution, but ultimately we've got to get it right at the eete — got to get it right at the eete ant,— got to get it right at the roots. and, you know, we've got to roots. and, you know, we've got te teet— roots. and, you know, we've got te ieet teet— roots. and, you know, we've got to look back 20— roots. and, you know, we've got to look back 20 or— roots. and, you know, we've got to look back 20 or years. to look back 20 or 30 years. thet-e— to look back 20 or 30 years. that's-problems.

to look back 20 or 30 years. that's when problems to look back 20 or 30 years. that's when we problems to look back 20 or 30 years. that's when we started ns to look back 20 or 30 years. that's when we started to started when we started to ehenge— started when we started to change teaching to a much more whet-e— what's called child centred appfoach-_ what's called child centred approach-work. what's called child centred. approach.-work and approach. it doesn't work and iett— approach. it doesn't work and iett ee— approach. it doesn't work and left us trailing— approach. it doesn't work and left us trailing three years tehint— left us trailing three years tehint. ee— left us trailing three years behind. so thumbs up to the imme— behind. so thumbs up to the prime minister— behind. so thumbs up to the prime minister for what he's teing.— prime minister for what he's teing. tet— prime minister for what he's doing. but he's— prime minister for what he's doing. but he's facing up to ieeiity. — doing. but he's facing up to teetity. tet— doing. but he's facing up to reality. but chris, the other eteetei— reality. but chris, the other eteetei ie— reality. but chris, the other speaker is absolutely right. we-we— speaker is absolutely right. - we've—foundations we've got to get the foundations tight. — right. and that's that's imtettent— right. and that's that's- important-particularly important, chris, particularly uneth— important, chris, particularly me. .much older- important, chris, particularly me. s;�* important, chris, particularly. me. .much older than bev. me. i'm much older than bev. i mean, i learnt my times tables by a lot of was learnt by rote. a lot of it was learnt by rote. a lot of it was learnt by and it's still with me by rote and it's still with me today. it's how i learnt adverbs, verbs and all that. that's much frowned adverbs, verbs and all that. that's now. much frowned adverbs, verbs and all that. that's now. you:h frowned adverbs, verbs and all that. that's now. you think/ned adverbs, verbs and all that. that's now. you think there upon. now. do you think there was said for was something to be said for that of traditional that sort of traditional teaching? well, i taught maths in primary school. i mean, i spent a in primary school. i mean, i etent e iet— in primary school. i mean, i etent e iet et— in primary school. i mean, i spent a lot of my- i“ f i mean, i spent a lot of my career in eeeentety— spent a lot of my career in secondary school, but i ended up teething— secondary school, but i ended up teeehing thmety— secondary school, but i ended up teaching primary school children and teaching primary school children ent eetteiniy— teaching primary school children ent eetteiniy my— teaching primary school children and certainly my seven year etie— and certainly my seven year etee—they- and certainly my seven yearj olds,_they were olds, i made sure they were twent— olds, i made sure they were fluent-tables,- olds, i made sure they were fluent tables, but that fluent in their tables, but that i— fluent in their tables, but that i eheet— fluent in their tables, but that was i ended up— fluent in their tables, but that was i ended up in— fluent in their tables, but that was i ended up in private was i ended up in a posh private eeheet— school. so if you're prepared to go school. so if you're prepared to tho-a— school. so if you're prepared to gene teet— school. so if you're prepared to go-a posh private- school. so if you're prepared to go a posh private school, go into a posh private school, pay— go into a posh private school, payllot_ go into a posh private school, pavllotlmoneyt- go into a posh private school, pay lot money, you get your pay a lot of money, you get your timee—ty- pay a lot of money, you get your timee—ty iete. - times tables taught by rote. ite— times tables taught by rote. it-e-thet— times tables taught by rote. it-e-thet in— times tables taught by rote. it's that in many state it's true that in many state eeheeie— it's true that in many state. schools- antipathy. schools there's an antipathy. t hey— schools there's an antipathy.. they—egeinet schools there's an antipathy. they learning, against schools there's an antipathy. they learning, feel against schools there's an antipathy. theylearning, feel it'sinst rote learning, they feel it's net— rote learning, they feel it's not interesting,— rote learning, they feel it's not interesting, but actually , not interesting, but actually, hewing— not interesting, but actually, hewing teeght— not interesting, but actually, having taught for 35 years, i eey— having taught for 35 years, i

eey thet— having taught for 35 years, i can say that young children enjoy— can say that young children entey teing— can say that young children enjoy doing rote learning. they enjoy— enjoy doing rote learning. they entey teing— enjoy doing rote learning. they enjoy doing repetitive mathematics , they enjoy doing mathematics, they enjoy doing ettitiene— mathematics, they enjoy doing additions and— mathematics, they enjoy doing additions and subtractions . so additions and subtractions. so get— additions and subtractions. so get te— additions and subtractions. so get te get— additions and subtractions. so we've got to get away from this ieee— we've got to get away from this itee thet— we've got to get away from this idea that what— we've got to get away from this idea that what we— we've got to get away from this idea that what we might think is teing— idea that what we might think is boring-children— idea that what we might think is boring children actually boring to children they actually went—te- want to do. they like to do repetitive— want to do. they like to do repetitive tasks.- want to do. they like to do repetitive tasks. and that's the way— repetitive tasks. and that's the way-consolidate. - repetitive tasks. and that's the way consolidate. the way you consolidate. and the geet—we- way you consolidate. and thei geet—we-new good news is that we are now eteiting— good news is that we are now starting-introduce- starting to introduce singaporean mathematics into our thmety— singaporean mathematics into our thmety eeheeie— singaporean mathematics into our primary schools. so— singaporean mathematics into our primary schools. so there is a eteit— primary schools. so there is a eteit teing— primary schools. so there is a start being made.— primary schools. so there is a start being made. my start being made. but my geetneee— start being made. but my goodness, we're about 30 years too goodness, we're about 30 years tee tete— goodness, we're about 30 years tee iete .— goodness, we're about 30 years tee iete . hemy— goodness, we're about 30 years too late . henry does this really too late. henry does this really tiewite— too late. henry does this really tiewite ew— too late. henry does this really provide our children with the etiiie— provide our children with the skills they're _ provide our children with the skills they're going to need in the tetwe— skills they're going to need in the future though? maths i was eeying— the future though? maths i was saying earlier that what i would like a world where like to see is in a world where we're to have and we're going to have i and computers calculators computers and calculators and maths that basically done maths that basically gets done by what our children are by robots. what our children are going to imagination and going to need is imagination and critical thinking , the ability critical thinking, the ability to form a sentence and make themselves understood. those are going be skills of the going to be the skills of the future, they? i mean, future, aren't they? i mean, actually, if you _ future, aren't they? i mean, actually, if you look- future, aren't they? i mean, actually, if you look at- "i: ;"i:“ . st:«t7 i mean, actually, if you look at if yee— actually, if you look at if you're talking— actually, if you look at if you're talking about al. ai is met— you're talking about al. ai is thet—et— you're talking about al. ai is just—of making. just as capable of making a teeetitei— just as capable of making a beautiful-or,- just as capable of making a beautiful or, you beautiful painting or, you know, eemteeing— beautiful painting or, you know, composing sentence at composing a coherent sentence at this composing a coherent sentence at the-eet— composing a coherent sentence at this-god knows- composing a coherent sentence at this god knows where this point and god knows where it—yeeie. - this point and god knows where it—yeeie. i- this point and god knows where

it_years. i think. it will be in 20 years. i think teeieeiiy— it will be in 20 years. i think teeieeiiy we— it will be in 20 years. i think basically we it's— it will be in 20 years. i think basically we it's never really teen— basically we it's never really been compelling , this idea that been compelling, this idea that teeee— been compelling, this idea that because we all— been compelling, this idea that because we all have pocket calculators, _ because we all have pocket. calculators, _we calculators, we don't need, we ten-t— calculators, we don't need, we tent-teete— calculators, we don't need, we don't-basic skills,- calculators, we don't need, we don't basic skills, you don't need basic skills, you meet— don't need basic skills, you. need _children don't need basic skills, you- need _children so need to be equipping children so that need to be equipping children so thet-hete— need to be equipping children so thet-hewe the— need to be equipping children so that have the skills to that they have the skills to eiitieeiiy— that they have the skills to critically things critically assess things in teter— critically assess things in ietei tite— critically assess things in later life. basic later life. and basic mathematics is important. but i think— mathematics is important. but i think-question- mathematics is important. but i think-question is- mathematics is important. but i think question is what think that the question is what ievet— think that the question is what iewei, whet— think that the question is what level, what level— think that the question is what level, what level of numeracy do we eeteeiiy— level, what level of numeracy do we actually need— level, what level of numeracy do we actually need ?_ level, what level of numeracy do we actually need ? because you we actually need? because you etwieeeiy— we actually need? because you obviously don't— we actually need? because you obviously don't need a—level methe— obviously don't need a—level methelget— obviously don't need a—level methelget en— obviously don't need a—level maths-get on in- obviously don't need a—level maths get on in life, you maths to get on in life, you tnew,— maths to get on in life, you tnew, se— maths to get on in life, you know, so .this_ maths to get on in life, you know, so this actually going know, so is this actually going to .financial_ know, so is this actually going to financial education and so to be financial education and so ene— to be financial education and so ene-why— to be financial education and so ene-why ee- to be financial education and so ene-why we- on? and if so, why are we extending— on? and if so, why are we extending it?— on? and if so, why are we extending it? because extending it te— extending it? because extending it te ie— extending it? because extending it te ie meehe— extending it? because extending it to 18 means that you're going to it to 18 means that you're going te heet— it to 18 means that you're going te heet mee— it to 18 means that you're going to need more teaching time. teete—te- to need more teaching time. you're—to take you're going to need to take time—whet time away from pupils who, you tnew,— time away from pupils who, you tewe—we et- time away from pupils who, you. know,_was at school, know, back when i was at school, 16 know, back when i was at school, it te— know, back when i was at school, it te ie— know, back when i was at school, it te ie wee— know, back when i was at school, 16 to 18 was when— know, back when i was at school, 16 to 18 was when they started tieeting— 16 to 18 was when they started tieeting-iite— 16 to 18 was when they started treating like adult. you treating you like an adult. you were-studies,- treating you like an adult. you were-studies, you- treating you like an adult. you were studies, you picked were doing studies, you picked mtg-eete— were doing studies, you picked eetteete, yee— were doing studies, you picked subjects, you picked, you got yew— subjects, you picked, you got yew-tenem- subjects, you picked, you got your-periods-all. your study periods and all the teet— your study periods and all the heet—yee-ie- your study periods and all the. heet—yewte geing rest of it. and now you're going to rest of it. and now you're going telemet— rest of it. and now you're going teleteet in— rest of it. and now you're going teleteet in e— rest of it. and now you're going to stuck in a classroom. we to be stuck in a classroom. we eheeti— to be stuck in a classroom. we should .focusing,_ to be stuck in a classroom. we should focusing, think, on should be focusing, i think, on thing— fixing what is clearly inadequate- inadequate teaching of mathematics ages. inadequate teaching of- mathematics-ages. it's mathematics at the ages. it's eiteety— mathematics at the ages. it's already mandatory. mathematics at the ages. it's already mandatory . and if we did already mandatory. and if we did thet,— already mandatory. and if we did thet, we— already mandatory. and if we did that, we wouldn't— already mandatory. and if we did that, we wouldn't to spend already mandatory. and if we did that, money. ldn't to spend already mandatory. and if we did that, money. okay. to spend already mandatory. and if we did that, money. okay. thank spend already mandatory. and if we did that, money. okay. thank you �*id extra money. okay. thank you teth— extra money. okay. thank you bothigentlemen. - extra money. okay. thank you. both i gentlemen. - editor both, gentlemen. deputy editor of henry hill of conservativehome henry hill and of the campaign and the chairman of the campaign for education, for real education, chris

mcgovern. the for real education, chris mcgovern . the chris mcgovern is mcgovern. the chris mcgovern is a mcgovern. the chris mcgovern is e greet— mcgovern. the chris mcgovern is e gieet me— mcgovern. the chris mcgovern is egteet vee— mcgovern. the chris mcgovern is a great man. you know,- a the chris mcgovern is a great man. you know, he really ie. — a great man. you know, he really ie. t— a great man. you know, he really ie. t ieve— a great man. you know, he really is. i love people— a great man. you know, he really is. i love people who've- a great man. you know, he really is. i love people who've got an old school attitude to education. there's way too many people. many did he people. how many books did he have shelf? how many have on that shelf? how many books? have on that shelf? how many teetee—iiem l books? even more than liam heitigem— books? even more than liam halligan. imagine . 3g7 halligan. i imagine. right? htitieh— halligan. i imagine. right? british businesses. talking of liam halligan have been under large financial pressure for the last three years, facing a pandemic inflation pandemic rising inflation and high bills due to russia's invasion ukraine. are things invasion of ukraine. are things teeting— invasion of ukraine. are things teeting et— invasion of ukraine. are things looking up because— z?“ are things looking up because research from teieitte— looking up because research from deloitte suggests— looking up because research from deloitte suggests confidence emenget— deloitte suggests confidence amongst _chiefs - deloitte suggests confidence amongst chiefs is amongst finance chiefs is they— amongst finance chiefs is finally rising— amongst finance chiefs is finally rising and it's seen its tiggeet— finally rising and it's seen its tiggeet iee— finally rising and it's seen its biggest rise since 20 2020. and here— biggest rise since 20 2020. and here-ie— biggest rise since 20 2020. and heielie ,— biggest rise since 20 2020. and heielie , ew— biggest rise since 20 2020. and here-is , our very— biggest rise since 20 2020. and here is , our very own here he is, our very own teeineee— here he is, our very own business economics business and economics editor item— business and economics editor item-hew— business and economics editori item-hew-teete liam halligan how many books hete— liam halligan how many books hewe—yew- liam halligan how many books have—your shelf- liam halligan how many books have _your shelf? i liam halligan how many books. have _your shelf ? too have you got on your shelf? too many.— have you got on your shelf? too many. andrew— have you got on your shelf? too many. andrew you— have you got on your shelf? too many. andrew you read- have you got on your shelf? too many. andrew you read them. is your wife fed up with it? she he-s— your wife fed up with it? she he-s written — your wife fed up with it? she he's written me. _ your wife fed up with it? she he's written me. she- your wife fed up with it? “cl" she most you he's written me. she most you all he's written me. she most you an the— he's written me. she most you at the time.— he's written me. she most you all the time. get— he's written me. she most you all the time. get rid— he's written me. she most you all the time. get rid of- �*i�* she most you all the time. get rid of some i“ she most you all the time. get rid of some of these— all the time. get rid of some of these boots.— all the time. get rid of some of these books. you're— all the time. get rid of some of these books. you're never going to these books. you're never going tee—stet- these books. you're never going te—etet tl these books. you're never goingi te—etet . to read them, doesn't she? i can teet— to read them, doesn't she? i can teet teete— to read them, doesn't she? i can teet teeee yeu— to read them, doesn't she? i can feel loose you saying it. /t:::t. feel loose you saying it. you knew.— feel loose you saying it. you knew. this— feel loose you saying it. you know, this story. _ feel loose you saying it. you know, this story. i— feel loose you saying it. you know, this story. i can't disclose this story about deloitte is really surprising what's going on. okay, so deloitte the big deloitte are one of the big accountancy firms. they do regular business— ” “ct?“ttwt �*" they do regular business surveys, very authority— regular business surveys, very authority-guess- regular business surveys, very

authority guess what? authority lviv and guess what? tse— authority lviv and guess what? tste et— authority lviv and guess what? tste et etee,— authority lviv and guess what? 75% of cfos, what's the cfo is a emet— 75% of cfos, what's the cfo is a chief financial— 75% of cfos, what's the cfo is a chief financial officer . do feel chief financial officer. do feel that— chief financial officer. do feel that the— chief financial officer. do feel that the economic outlook is improving?— that the economic outlook is improving? it's— that the economic outlook is improving? it's partly because they— improving? it's partly because they teet— improving? it's partly because they feel inflation has peaked. it's they feel inflation has peaked. tt-e petty— they feel inflation has peaked. it's partly because they feel interest— it's partly because they feel interest rates— it's partly because they feel interest rates will be coming town— interest rates will be coming down soon and— interest rates will be coming down soon and it's partly because— down soon and it's partly because they're sort of less pettteet— because they're sort of less political chaos— because they're sort of less political chaos of course, there is political chaos of course, there it quite— political chaos of course, there it quite a— political chaos of course, there is quite a iet.— political chaos of course, there is quite a lot. it's— political chaos of course, there is quite a lot. it's partly also because— is quite a lot. it's partly also because tite— is quite a lot. it's partly also because the war— is quite a lot. it's partly also because the war in ukraine, even though— because the war in ukraine, even titeugit it— because the war in ukraine, even though it goes— because the war in ukraine, even though it goes on,— because the war in ukraine, even though it goes on, isn't in the heetiihee— though it goes on, isn't in the headlines all— though it goes on, isn't in the headlines all the— though it goes on, isn't in the headlines all the time. and there-e— headlines all the time. and there-e u— headlines all the time. and there's a sense— headlines all the time. and there's a sense that financial markets— there's a sense that financial markets aren't— there's a sense that financial markets aren't as— there's a sense that financial markets aren't as kind of tittie— markets aren't as kind of iiugiie ue— markets aren't as kind of fragile as they- markets aren't as kind of fragile as they were a month ago . a hey— fragile as they were a month ago .a hey thing,— fragile as they were a month ago . a key thing, though, bev, is that— . a key thing, though, bev, is that deloitte— . a key thing, though, bev, is that deloitte they survey the ties— that deloitte they survey the ties whe— that deloitte they survey the cfos who are _ that deloitte they survey the cfos who are from big companies. if cfos who are from big companies. it you— cfos who are from big companies. it you uh— cfos who are from big companies. it you o— cfos who are from big companies. it you u out— cfos who are from big companies. if you run a pub or— cfos who are from big companies. if you run a pub or a— cfos who are from big companies. if you run a pub or a chain of restaurant— if you run a pub or a chain of restaurants, you— if you run a pub or a chain of restaurants, you haven't got a cho— restaurants, you haven't got a cto heooeue— restaurants, you haven't got a cfo because your— restaurants, you haven't got a cfo because your chief cook and hottte — cfo because your chief cook and hottte uohet— cfo because your chief cook and bottle washer as— cfo because your chief cook and bottle washer as my mum, how many— bottle washer as my mum, how many oute— bottle washer as my mum, how many ouhe hove— bottle washer as my mum, how many pubs have already you did it with— many pubs have already you did it with-weet— many pubs have already you did it with _week was- many pubs have already you did it with week was 150. it with this last week was 150. hie-te— it with this last week was 150. were getting— it with this last week was 150. we're getting 151— it with this last week was 150. we're getting 151 pubs- it with this last week was 150. we're getting 151 pubs on- we're getting 151 pubs on average closing a month so far this year. it's absolutely htitieh— this year. it's absolutely htitieh wey— this year. it's absolutely british way of— it's absolutely british way of life . this year. it's absolutely- british way of life . outrageous british way of life. outrageous and that a lot of that is to do with the energy costs. liam it is to do with the— with the energy costs. liam it is to do with the energy-

g f liam it is to do with the energy costs, wage— is to do with the energy costs, wage-the — is to do with the energy costs, wage-the-oi- is to do with the energy costs, wage _the _of beer, l wage costs, the price of beer, pub— wage costs, the price of beer, huh—turning- wage costs, the price of beer, pub _turning the pub co's, frankly, turning the screw on landlords, charging them — screw on landlords, charging them hote— screw on landlords, charging them more-beer- screw on landlords, charging them more beer , for keeping them more for beer, for keeping thei— them more for beer, for keeping their margins— them more for beer, for keeping their margins .— them more for beer, for keeping their margins. so— them more for beer, for keeping their margins. so i think there-e— their margins. so i think there-e o— their margins. so i think there's a big— their margins. so i think there's a big divide emerging now between— there's a big divide emerging now between big business bosses who— now between big business bosses who ore— now between big business bosses who euweyet— now between big business bosses who are surveyed by ritzy, ditsy orhoohrie— who are surveyed by ritzy, ditsy companies like— who are surveyed by ritzy, ditsy companies like deloitte and how emoti— companies like deloitte and how small businesses— companies like deloitte and how small businesses who after all erhhioy— small businesses who after all ehoioy two— small businesses who after all employ two thirds of us, generate— employ two thirds of us, generate over- employ two thirds of us, generate over half our gdp, half our generate over half our gdp, half growth.— generate over half our gdp, half our growth. yeah.— generate over half our gdp, half our growth. yeah. where a lot of innovation— our growth. yeah. where a lot of innovation happens, the people who— innovation happens, the people who keep— innovation happens, the people who keep britain— innovation happens, the people who keep britain running smaller orhoohhie— who keep britain running smaller orhoohhie ore— who keep britain running smaller companies are much, much more pessimistic.— companies are much, much more pessimistic. aho— companies are much, much more pessimistic. and this is the concern that— pessimistic. and this is the concern that this is good news. thet-e— concern that this is good news. ihot-e why— concern that this is good news. ihot-e why i— concern that this is good news. that's why i wanted to come on tho— that's why i wanted to come on tho tott— that's why i wanted to come on tho toit to— that's why i wanted to come on tho toit to you— that's why i wanted to come on and talk to you about it. yeah, you— and talk to you about it. yeah, you-ite— and talk to you about it. yeah, you-its 9°°d_ and talk to you about it. yeah, you it's good news. like you know, it's good news. like the— you know, it's good news. like the root— you know, it's good news. like the hot that— you know, it's good news. like the fact that when those imf surveye— the fact that when those imf surveys—weem the fact that when those imf- euweye—weeh you surveys came out last week, you wont— surveys came out last week, you wont howe— surveys came out last week, you won't have heard— surveys came out last week, you won't have heard this anywhere etee.— won't have heard this anywhere etee. you-ii— won't have heard this anywhere else. you'll-heard- won't have heard this anywhere else. you'll heard the else. you'll have heard that the forecast—,— else. you'll have heard that the fo..c.st_, oh- else. you'll have heard that the forecast-, oh, was. forecast for britain, oh, was iow. — forecast for britain, oh, was tow. the— forecast for britain, oh, was low. the lowest— forecast for britain, oh, was low. the lowest in the g7. who tott— low. the lowest in the g7. who toit you— low. the lowest in the g7. who toit you thor— low. the lowest in the g7. who told you that last— low. the lowest in the g7. who told you that last year? aotuoiiy— told you that last year? actually, the - told you that last year? actually, the uk grew faster then— actually, the uk grew faster then thy— actually, the uk grew faster than any other— actually, the uk grew faster than any other g7 economy . oh, than any other g7 economy. oh, you.— than any other g7 economy. oh, you. yeah— than any other g7 economy. oh, you. yeah you— than any other g7 economy. oh, you. yeah, you did— than any other g7 economy. oh, you. yeah, you did it wasn't on the— you. yeah, you did it wasn't on the terry,— you. yeah, you did it wasn't on the telly, right?— you. yeah, you did it wasn't on the telly, right? yeah but. but the telly, right? yeah but. but the hit— the telly, right? yeah but. but the hit hes— the telly, right? yeah but. but the imf has never— the telly, right? yeah but. but the imf has never forgiven britain for brexit, of course

has it? i think there is that. i think there's also the fact thor— i think there's also the fact that they— i think there's also the fact that they interfered during the referendum— that they interfered during the referendum .— that they interfered during the referendum . it's— that they interfered during the referendum . it's also the fact referendum. it's also the fact that— referendum. it's also the fact that host— referendum. it's also the fact that host or— referendum. it's also the fact that most of our— referendum. it's also the fact that most of our broadcasters thi— that most of our broadcasters and o— that most of our broadcasters and o tot— that most of our broadcasters and o iot oi— that most of our broadcasters and a lot of our— that most of our broadcasters and a lot of our print journalists- and a lot of our print journalists too, they're just going— journalists too, they're just going to— journalists too, they're just going to tie— journalists too, they're just going to lie on.— journalists too, they're just going to lie on. they want to get— going to lie on. they want to get the— going to lie on. they want to get the they— going to lie on. they want to get the they want to get the uk. aho— get the they want to get the uk. and the — get the they want to get the uk. and the worst— get the they want to get the uk. and the worst part— get the they want to get the uk. and the worst part in the top heotihe— and the worst part in the top headline. right.— and the worst part in the top headline. right. let's talk down hritoih— headline. right. let's talk down hritoih-you— headline. right. let's talk down britain.-you-have. britain. well, you could have tone— britain. well, you could have tohehow—- britain. well, you could have tohehow— hortl britain. well, you could havei done—now part of britain. well, you could have- done_now part of the done uk the best now part of the zon— done uk the best now part of the 2022 growth.— done uk the best now part of the zen growth. we— done uk the best now part of the 2022 growth. we grew by 4% was a houhe— 2022 growth. we grew by 4% was a houhe hoot— 2022 growth. we grew by 4% was a bounce back from _ 2022 growth. we grew by 4% was a bounce back from covid. but ootuoiiy— bounce back from covid. but actually most— bounce back from covid. but actually most of— bounce back from covid. but actually most of our bounce back trom— actually most of our bounce back from town— actually most of our bounce back from covid happened in in 2021. so from covid happened in in 2021. so one— from covid happened in in 2021. so other— from covid happened in in 2021. so one other thing— from covid happened in in 2021. so one other thing i wanted to put— so one other thing i wanted to out oh— so one other thing i wanted to out on your— so one other thing i wanted to put on your radar,— so one other thing i wanted to put on your radar, guys, on wetheetoy— put on your radar, guys, on wetheetoy ,— put on your radar, guys, on wednesday , there's an inflation wednesday, there's an inflation humeru— wednesday, there's an inflation number coming— wednesday, there's an inflation number coming out and it's going to he— number coming out and it's going to to o— number coming out and it's going to to o reoiiy— number coming out and it's going to be a really big— number coming out and it's going to be a really big because it went— to be a really big because it went up— to be a really big because it went up hot— to be a really big because it went up last time. ” g went up last time. that's right. unexpected inflation fell from october, november , december, october, november, december, january. and in january we were at iet.— january. and in january we were at ior. aho— january. and in january we were at ior. aht o— january. and in january we were at 10.1. and a lot— january. and in january we were at 10.1. and a lot of— q and in january we were at 10.1. and a lot of people, me at10.1. and a lot of people, me intruded.— at10.1. and a lot of people, me included, thought,— at 10.1. and a lot of people, me included, thought, yeah , included, thought, yeah, ihitotioh— included, thought, yeah, inflation is— included, thought, yeah, inflation is going to go below touhie— inflation is going to go below double digits— inflation is going to go below double digits .— inflation is going to go below double digits . that means double digits. that means hopeiuiiy— double digits. that means hooeiuity ho— double digits. that means hopefully no more interest rate rhet— hopefully no more interest rate eo reorie— hopefully no more interest rate rises so people can start rooting— rises so people can start looking forward to interest rate torts.— looking forward to interest rate teue. get— looking forward to interest rate teue. getlhit— looking forward to interest rate falls, get l bit of _ looking forward to interest rate falls, get bit of mojo back, falls, get a bit of mojo back,

hut— falls, get a bit of mojo back, but-inflation- falls, get a bit of mojo back, but inflation went up in but then in inflation went up in rehruory— but then in inflation went up in rehruory. hig— but then in inflation went up in february, big shock . but then in inflation went up in february, big shock. this but then in inflation went up in february, big shock . this march february, big shock. this march humeru— february, big shock. this march hurherh thet— february, big shock. this march number that comes out on wetheetoy. — number that comes out on wednesday. lit's- number that comes out on wednesday. it's up again, wednesday. if it's up again, youre— wednesday. if it's up again, you going— wednesday. if it's up again, you going to— wednesday. if it's up again, you're going to get a lot of nervousness. _ you're going to get a lot of nervousness. has britain really got its— nervousness. has britain really got its arrh— nervousness. has britain really got its arms around this ihiiotioh— got its arms around this inflation problem or do we need even more drastic— inflation problem or do we need even more drastic action and even more interest rates? and these— even more interest rates? and these figures— even more interest rates? and these figures never leaked? tith— these figures never leaked? tieh. they— these figures never leaked? liam. they never— these figures never leaked? liam. they never leak- these figures never leaked? liam. they never leak because they're so they're so market sensitive inflation sensitive. but if inflation comes down _ e but if inflation comes down firmly into double tight.— comes down firmly into double tight 9...— comes down firmly into double tigite. 9h 9.5.— comes down firmly into double digits, 9.4, 9.5, something like that— digits, 9.4, 9.5, something like that. then— digits, 9.4, 9.5, something like that, then the— digits, 9.4, 9.5, something like that, then the economic mood witt— that, then the economic mood witi titt— that, then the economic mood will lift palpably_ that, then the economic mood will lift palpably and there witt— will lift palpably and there witi he— will lift palpably and there witi to o— will lift palpably and there will be a sea— will lift palpably and there will be a sea change. yeah, the housing— will be a sea change. yeah, the housing market— will be a sea change. yeah, the housing market will pick up heooeue— housing market will pick up because a lot— housing market will pick up because a lot of— housing market will pick up because a lot of people will teet— because a lot of people will get, oh— because a lot of people will feel, oh, that— because a lot of people will feel, oh, that means interest rotte— feel, oh, that means interest rates, interest— feel, oh, that means interest rates, interest rates have teeteri— rates, interest rates have oeohet .— rates, interest rates have oeotet . rhe— rates, interest rates have peaked . the next move in peaked. the next move in interest— peaked. the next move in interest rates,— peaked. the next move in interest rates, maybe even by the— interest rates, maybe even by the-the— interest rates, maybe even by the-the year- interest rates, maybe even by the-the year will- interest rates, maybe even by the the year will be down the end of the year will be down thi— the end of the year will be down ent—witt— the end of the year will be down oht—wiii he- and everything will be transformed- and everything will be transformed on a on turning on a throne— transformed on a on turning on a throne ont— transformed on a on turning on a sixpence and saying to junior doctors— sixpence and saying to junior tootore—ohl doctors after 35% hang on, inflation— doctors after 35% hang on, inflation is— doctors after 35% hang on, inflation is falling. it will it witt— inflation is falling. it will it witi eheet— inflation is falling. it will it will affect all— inflation is falling. it will it will affect all of you know me, antrew.— will affect all of you know me, andrew,_about. will affect all of you know me,| andrew, _about this andrew, we've talked about this for 20,— andrew, we've talked about this for to. zo— andrew, we've talked about this for 20, 20 economics for 20, 20 years. economics otwoye— for 20, 20 years. economics utwoye — for 20, 20 years. economics always wins. yeah, economics teterrhihee— always wins. yeah, economics determines politics. it determines- determines politics. it determines the whole mood of the

news headlines.— determines the whole mood of the news headlines. obviously there-e— news headlines. obviously there's foreign— news headlines. obviously there's foreign news as well, hut— there's foreign news as well, hut otteh— there's foreign news as well, but often foreign— there's foreign news as well, but often foreign news is driven by, but often foreign news is driven try to— but often foreign news is driven try to you— but often foreign news is driven try to you think— but often foreign news is driven by, do you think the prime minister— by, do you think the prime minister and— by, do you think the prime minister and the chancellor get evenlminute's_ minister and the chancellor get even minute's about the even a minute's notice about the interior— even a minute's notice about the inflation-that's- even a minute's notice about the inflation _that's-ii inflation figures? that's what i thought. yeah thought. no, isn't it? yeah right. thanks, liam . never long right. thanks, liam. never long enough— right. thanks, liam. never long enough it— right. thanks, liam. never long enough it iti— right. thanks, liam. never long enough, is it? right.— 1 g thanks, liam. never long enough, is it? right. still to come, we've got— enough, is it? right. still to come, we've got more on the queen— come, we've got more on the queen. consort's_ come, we've got more on the queen. consort's reported reootioh— queen. consort's reported reaction to— queen. consort's reported reaction to her- queen. consort's reported reaction to her portrayal in. its— reaction to her portrayal in. it-s-teperter- reaction to her portrayal in. it's - reporter it - reaction to her portrayal in. it's-reporter it is. reaction to her portrayal in. i it's-reporter it is her it's not her. reporter it is her reaction. know furious reaction. we know she's furious with harry, who's an ungrateful so—and—so , though, and he's rude so—and—so, though, and he's rude manner taking so long to say whether he would to the whether he would go to the wedding. the coronation got it mixed and we know why he's mixed up. and we know why he's going his going because netflix say his stock in the united stock is falling in the united states. this is to point on states. this is to the point on gb states. this is to the point on eh-hritoih-e— states. this is to the point on gb _britain's news- states. this is to the point on gb-britain's news .-

dab+ radio and on tune in. this is . is. gb news. welcome is. gb news.- i welcome back. is. gb news.- . welcome back. it's is. or news.— . welcome back. it's 1121 on - welcome back. it's 1121 on montoy— . welcome back. it's 1121 on monday-camilla- . welcome back. it's 1121 on monday-camilla is- welcome back. it's 1121 on monday. camilla is said to

monday. now, camilla is said to be monday. now, camilla is said to to theory— monday. now, camilla is said to he teeoiy hurt— monday. now, camilla is said to be deeply hurt after being hrohtet— be deeply hurt after being branded dangerous and a villain by her— branded dangerous and a villain by her stepson— branded dangerous and a villain by her eteoeoh .— branded dangerous and a villain by her stepson , prince harry. of by her stepson, prince harry. of thet— by her stepson, prince harry. of course, that was— by her stepson, prince harry. of course, that was in— by her stepson, prince harry. of course, that was in his recent spore. — course, that was in his recent memoir, spare. htitti course, that was in his recent memoir, spare. witty course, that was in his recent memoir, spare. htitti : memoir, spare. now ahead of the coronation next the coronation next month, the king of had a heart to of the prince had a heart to heart, which showed a willingness, apparently to mend on both sides to talk about this is the former royal correspondent and author charles rea and have been rea charles, you and i have been done royal beat many done did the royal beat for many years times years together. the sunday times quoted a friend of camilla's, the marchioness of lansdown ulez. that inner circle ulez. she's in that inner circle of her confidante and friends who went public and said she's fed up as hell with what prince harry said. that's unusual because that means that was sanctioned by the palace. it is unusual. and you're absolutely right. — unusual. and you're absolutely right. sanctioned— unusual. and you're absolutely right. sanctioned by- unusual. and you're absolutely right. sanctioned by the- unusual. and you're absolutely right. sanctioned by the palace, marchioness of lansdown is one of the six key companion of the queen so she's been with camilla for a very, very long time . and for a very, very long time. and there's a lot worse than you've just mentioned, because she says that camilla was deeply hurt by the comments in spear. and she's also a little bit confused , used

also a little bit confused, used because not only has harry slagged her off on television described it as a villain, left bodies in the street. she's very confused because in the biography arnie, written by angela levin in 2018, harry described her as not a wicked stepmother. um and that william and love it a bit. she's a wonderful woman and she's made her father very, very happy, which is the most important thing. well, which is it, harry? is she the wicked stepmother or is nice lady? is she a really nice lady? i just think this guy makes things up as he as he wants to go along. charles, let's be cynical here.— along. charles, let's be cynical here. it— along. charles, let's be cynical here. it makes— along. charles, let's be cynical here. it makes much— 3 charles, let's be cynical here. it makes much better heotiihee— here. it makes much better headlines if— here. it makes much better headlines if he— here. it makes much better headlines if he puts the boot in on the— headlines if he puts the boot in on the future— headlines if he puts the boot in on the future queen. she's queen contort—he— on the future queen. she's queen consort—be queen- consort now. she'll be queen in may— consort now. she'll be queen in troy-oute— consort now. she'll be queen in hey-hute-hoot- consort now. she'll be queen in may-puts-boot in,- may if he puts the boot in, rather— may if he puts the boot in, rather than _ may if he puts the boot in, rather than say— may if he puts the boot in, rather than say she's a lovely, hie— rather than say she's a lovely, ioty. — rather than say she's a lovely, nice lady. yes,— rather than say she's a lovely, nice lady. “4115 did nice lady. yes, absolutely. you're right. a you're absolutely right. it's a far headline . it's poor far better headline. it's poor old harry again. he's had to suffer woman coming suffer this other woman coming into family. a into the family. oh, what a shame . and everything else you shame. and everything else you know? oh, woe is me. it's the

usual harry mantra that he jumps up and down about how he's treated, being treated by the family , how he's been treated by family, how he's been treated by britain, how his wife has been treated, how she's been treated by britain as well . i mean, he's by britain as well. i mean, he's just he's just moaning by britain as well. i mean, he's just he'sjust moaning minnie just he's just a moaning minnie , what do we think now, charles, with the coronation coming up around the corner here, obviously we know that meghan isn't going to be there. but harry is. hooray, by the way , harry is. hooray, by the way, how do we think that's going to pan out over that weekend in terms of the headlines in the papers? tell us what you think goihg— papers? tell us what you think going to— , tell us what you think we're going to looking at. we're going to be looking at. i think— we're going to be looking at. i think its— we're going to be looking at. i think its a— we're going to be looking at. i think it's a 50%_ we're going to be looking at. i think it's a 50% result- we're going to be looking at. i think it's a 50% result for- we're going to be looking at. i think it's a 50% result for the royal family and britain that meghan going to be here meghan isn't going to be here for start off . so she's for a start off. so she's a sideshow. yes she'll be mentioned. i'm sure. you know, with all the coverage on television, radio and in the papers . but television, radio and in the papers. but it won't television, radio and in the papers . but it won't detract papers. but it won't detract from , um, the occasion. this from, um, the occasion. this historical occasion, an occasion that a great many people in this country will have not seen before and will not be will not

see again. remember, you know, this is a king who's possibly got the best part of the next 20 years before another king comes along. i don't want to be morbid , but i mean, let's that's the fact. he's he's going to be 75 in november . fact. he's he's going to be 75 in november. so everything will be focussed on him. and from what we hear about harry. harry is just going to turn up for the ceremony. he'll be sitting somewhere here just beside the royal family but after that, he's not going to allegedly not going to the coronation lunch , going to the coronation lunch, although they're keeping a place for him. he's not going to the concert at at windsor. the day after. so we expect him to jump on his money wasting plane going back to montecito . do you do you back to montecito. do you do you do back to montecito. do you do you to you— back to montecito. do you do you to you buy— back to montecito. do you do you to you huy iti— back to montecito. do you do you to you huy it? h— back to montecito. do you do you do you buy it? in my— back to montecito. do you do you do you buy it? in my view,- do you do you do you buy it? in my view, that wetiiix— do you buy it? in my view, that netflix wanted— do you buy it? in my view, that netflix wanted him there? chariot— netflix wanted him there? charles because if he's not at the— charles because if he's not at the coronation,— charles because if he's not at the coronation, how royal is he ohyrhorei— the coronation, how royal is he anymore? it— the coronation, how royal is he anymore? if he's— the coronation, how royal is he anymore? if he's not at the first— anymore? if he's not at the first coronation— anymore? if he's not at the first coronation in britain shoe— first coronation in britain since 1953?— first coronation in britain since 1953.7 i— first coronation in britain since 1953? i think to be oyhioot— since 1953? i think to be cynical, you're- since 1953? i think to be cynical, you're probably right,

antrew.— cynical, you're probably right, antrew. thet— cynical, you're probably right, andrew, that you— cynical, you're probably right, andrew, that you know, he needs, despite— andrew, that you know, he needs, despite what— andrew, that you know, he needs, despite what he— andrew, that you know, he needs, despite what he says about the itoyoi— despite what he says about the iooyoi rorhiiy— despite what he says about the royal family and— despite what he says about the royal family and what he says about— royal family and what he says about britain,— royal family and what he says about britain, he— royal family and what he says about britain, he needs that oohheoitoh— about britain, he needs that connection with— about britain, he needs that connection with the royal family to oorry— connection with the royal family to oorry oh— connection with the royal family to oorry you— connection with the royal family to carry on, you know , in to carry on, you know, in aherioo— to carry on, you know, in america being- to carry on, you know, in america being relevant . ' “t: america being relevant. and uhtertuhetety— america being relevant. and unfortunately for— america being relevant. and unfortunately for him, it looks like , you know, the gloss has like, you know, the gloss has gone off. the sussexes in america. they're getting a bit tired of this constant moaning about about everything. and, you know what americans are like. they're very fickle about things. they love our royal family anyway . they the vast family anyway. they the vast majority of them. and, you know, when you start slagging off the royal family and the mother country, britain , you know, they country, britain, you know, they tend to sort of think , well, tend to sort of think, well, hang second. you can't you hang on a second. you can't you can't be right on all this all the time. all right. that's charles rea, the royal author. thanks so much forjoining us, chutes.— thanks so much forjoining us, chutes—to- thanks so much forjoining us, charles. _to talk. thanks so much forjoining us,| charles. _to talk to charles. always great to talk to you. — charles. always great to talk to you. .reeuihg— charles. always great to talk to you. - reading _on l charles. always great to talk to i you. .reading-on the you. just reading a story on the mail, this might this this might have actually last week's have been actually last week's news. having been news. so forgive me, having been away week. but deepak away for a week. but that deepak chopra, of their chopra, who is one of their spiritual a red spiritual gurus, told a red carpet they are carpet event that they are struggling doors .

struggling behind closed doors. he harry meghan are he said harry and meghan are struggling all the struggling with all the pressure. well, he doesn't know what— pressure. well, he doesn't know whotlto— pressure. well, he doesn't know what-do anymore.— pressure. well, he doesn't know what-do anymore-lost. what to do anymore. he's lost his-rost— what to do anymore. he's lost his-iost his- what to do anymore. he's lost his-lost his whole. his role. he's lost his whole point.— his role. he's lost his whole point-roisoh- his role. he's lost his whole. point.-raison d'etat his role. he's lost his whole poinbeing raison d'etat his role. he's lost his whole poinbeing a raison d'etat his role. he's lost his whole poinbeing a royal.iison d'etat his role. he's lost his whole poinbeing a royal. hen d'etat his role. he's lost his whole poinbeing a royal. he wasttat his role. he's lost his whole poinbeing a royal. he was born was being a royal. he was born to was being a royal. he was born t°_up_ was being a royal. he was born to—uh to— was being a royal. he was born to—uh to g,- was being a royal. he was born to—uh to it, tho- to it, brought up to it, and hes— to it, brought up to it, and he-sltohger— to it, brought up to it, and he's longer doing it. and he's no longer doing it. and how— he's no longer doing it. and how teet— he's no longer doing it. and he'll feel it— he's no longer doing it. and he'll feel it very— he's no longer doing it. and he'll feel it very painfully at the—when- he'll feel it very painfully at the—when he's. the coronation when he's put hehiht— the coronation when he's put hehiht o— the coronation when he's put behind a pillar.— the coronation when he's put behind a pillar. words the coronation when he's put- behind a pillar.-words . behind a pillar. mark my words. how— behind a pillar. mark my words. how i— behind a pillar. mark my words. how i was— behind a pillar. mark my words. new i was thinking,— behind a pillar. mark my words. new i was thinking, which- behind a pillar. mark my words. now i was thinking, which royal might be the pillar? you mean a literal pillar in the abbey? yeah. okay. now, smart motorways will no longer be built in the uk. hurrah sunak uk. hurrah as rishi sunak acknowledged, about acknowledged, the concerns about safety cost. so planned safety and cost. so 14 planned short— safety and cost. so 14 planned smart motorways— ti“t: 1 so 14 planned smart motorways would be are going— smart motorways would be are going to— smart motorways would be are going to he— smart motorways would be are going to be taken— smart motorways would be are going to be taken out of the goerhrheh-st— going to be taken out of the government's building going to be taken out of the governm of:'s building going to be taken out of the governm of:'s were .ding going to be taken out of the governm of:'s were already plans. 11 of them were already under— plans. 11 of them were already under construction. honestly iet-s— under construction. honestly tets—the- under construction. honestly let's-the policy. under construction. honestly. let's-the policy and let's now go to the policy and reseoroh-ot— let's now go to the policy and research-at iam- research director at iam tootsrhort— research director at iam roadsmart neil greig. ’“ roadsmart neil greig. this morning— roadsmart neil greig. this morning .— roadsmart neil greig. this morning . good— roadsmart neil greig. this morning . good morning, neil and morning. good morning, neil and iam roadsmart is that an organisation that was is pro smart motorways or anti smart motorways? well we are the institute of advanced motorists we used to be called, we are kind of down the middle a bit because in actual fact there was

some suggestion , if you look at some suggestion, if you look at the facts that smart motorways were as safe as traditional motorways, but our members and the vast majority of the public are totally against the smart motorways. 80% of members were against— motorways. 80% of members were against it. — motorways. 80% of members were against it. ooh— motorways. 80% of members were against it. 80% wanted- motorways. 80% of members were against it. 80% wanted the- motorways. 80% of members were against it. 80% wanted the hard shoulder reinstated and people just didn't feel safe on these smart motorways. and think no hotter— smart motorways. and think no matter what— smart motorways. and think no matter what the _ and think no matter what the government would have — matter what the government would have tone.— matter what the government would have tons ho— matter what the government would have done, no matter what hotiohoi— have done, no matter what national highways have national highways would have tone— national highways would have tohelthey— national highways would have donelthey-never- done, they would never have managed— done, they would never have- mohoget—hoiority managed to convince the majority of managed to convince the majority oi triwers— managed to convince the majority of drivers—roads- managed to convince the majority of drivers roads were of drivers that these roads were sore. — of drivers that these roads were sore-though— of drivers that these roads were safe, -though the - of drivers that these roads were safe, though the facts safe, even though the facts might— safe, even though the facts rhight howe— safe, even though the facts might have suggested they might have suggested that they ootuoiiy—you- might have suggested that they actually _you mean. might have suggested that they. actually _you mean when actually were. so you mean when you facts, neil, suggest you say the facts, neil, suggest that they they were slash are safe? is that because there are as many or equal or fewer fatalities as there are on a typical old fashioned motorway with a hard shoulder? yes the overall accident rate was- “iii: 3“ /tis the overall accident rate was about the she— overall accident rate was about the os— overall accident rate was about the as o— overall accident rate was about the same as a traditional motorway— the same as a traditional rhotorwoy. — the same as a traditional motorway . ”at: the same as a traditional- motorway . traditional motorways motorway. traditional motorways are our safest roads, but they are our safest roads, but they are there are still crashes on them. there are there are still orshs— them. there are there are still orshs every— them. there are there are still crashes every day— them. there are there are still crashes every day on- there are there are still crashes every day on traditional motorways— crashes every day on traditional rhotorwoys thi— crashes every day on traditional motorways and on— crashes every day on traditional motorways and on smart rhotorwuys. — motorways and on smart

motorways. “g motorways and on smart motorways. “i; motorways and on smart- motorways. but taking away the hard shoulder, i think meant a lot people felt really lot of people felt really unsafe. the vast majority of people— unsafe. the vast majority of ww“! triwe— unsafe. the vast majority of people drive down- l. the vast majority of people drive down these motorways— people drive down these motorways every day. "iii; t:ti“ . motorways every day. they don't treet— motorways every day. they don't break down. they don't stop. they don't see an incident. but when something does- t:tit“ . t?" “ti. t:ti“. but when something does happen, t:ti“ . t?" “i. ii“. but when something does happen, you reoiiy—oh— when something does happen, you reoiiy—oh o— when something does happen, you really—on a smart- really are exposed on a smart motorway— really are exposed on a smart motorway because there's hosiooiiy—gol motorway because there's hosiooiiy—go -i motorway because there's- basically_go . and the basically nowhere to go. and the teohhoiogy— basically nowhere to go. and the technology promised technology that was promised mohy— technology that was promised huhy yours— technology that was promised rhuhy years ago— technology that was promised many years ago is only now being teiiweret. — many years ago is only now being delivered. and— many years ago is only now being delivered. and that's— many years ago is only now being delivered. ' “t: it; delivered. and that's the big problem . they never problem. they were never actually smart. neil problem. they were never actually smart . neil that actually that smart. neil that was the actually that smart. neil that the point— actually that smart. neil that was the point i— actually that smart. neil that was the point i was- i neil that was the point i was going to mote.— was the point i was going to moot—- was the point i was going to rhoeoh— iot- was the point i was going toi make.-a lot-the make. of course, a lot of the corv— make. of course, a lot of the ooiv—worhihgl make. of course, a lot of the. cctv—working and make. of course, a lot of the- cctv _working and the cctv cameras not working and the teohhoiogy—aht- cctv cameras not working and the technology _and also. cctv cameras not working and the teciitology_and also. cctv cameras not working and the teciit could and also cctv cameras not working and the teciit could be and also cctv cameras not working and the teciit could be two and also cctv cameras not working and the teciit could be two or and also cctv cameras not working and the teciit could be two or eveni also the it could be two or even three— the it could be two or even three miles— the it could be two or even three miles before you could thi— three miles before you could tint—to- three miles before you could tint—to stop.- three miles before you could. find _to stop, which three miles before you could- find _to stop, which is find somewhere to stop, which is pretty— find somewhere to stop, which is pretty problematic— find somewhere to stop, which is pretty problematic . ' .tiqt pretty problematic. absolutely. i pretty problematic. absolutely. i think— pretty problematic. absolutely. i think in the early days of smart motorways, particularly when they first were established around birmingham, for example , around birmingham, for example, we had overhead gantries . they we had overhead gantries. they were busy urban d they were busy urban motorways . they were busy urban motorways. they did were busy urban motorways. they tit ootuoiiy— were busy urban motorways. they did actually deliver— were busy urban motorways. they did actually deliver some time did actually deliver sometime swings— did actually deliver sometime sowihgs. very— did actually deliver some time savings, very small time savings . as— savings, very small time savings . as you— savings, very small time savings . as you know— savings, very small time savings . as you know, when a government says— . as you know, when a government says that— . as you know, when a government says that they-we— . as you know, when a government says that they've saved a couple of says that they've saved a couple oi minutes— says that they've saved a couple oi rhihutes oh— says that they've saved a couple of minutes on overall journey times— of minutes on overall journey times-hotte- of minutes on overall journey times,-notice that. of minutes on overall journey times, notice that as times, you don't notice that as an individual.— times, you don't notice that as an individual. _ times, you don't notice that as an individual. unfortunately, what they then

what happened was they then tried to extend those smart motorways out into longer and longer stretches with bigger and bigger gaps between signs, bigger gaps between signs, bigger bigger gaps between bigger and bigger gaps between refuges and that simply didn't work. people felt unsafe on them. — work. people felt unsafe on them. aru— work. people felt unsafe on them. and you— work. people felt unsafe on them. and you know- people felt unsafe on them. “t: work. people felt unsafe on them. and you know what else , them. and you know what else, neali them. and you know what else, neal, i think is one of the problems with these is trust . problems with these is trust. and i would often be going down the with the first the m4 with one of the first ones. we talked earlier about this would say hazard in this and it would say hazard in lane, cross hazard in lane, big red cross hazard in lane. everyone out lane. so everyone would move out of we'd go on and guess of it and we'd go on and guess what? there hazard in the what? there was no hazard in the lane carry on. and lane and you'd carry on. and that's the problem because cry wolf, because there will wolf, because one day there will be the lane. now be a hazard in the lane. now that's human that's a combination of human error, guess, perhaps tech error, i guess, and perhaps tech problems yeah so problems as well. yeah so i think we've learned - i/titi“ so i think we've learned more and thet.— think we've learned more and thet. os— think we've learned more and more that, as you've mentioned, the-ooweroge— more that, as you've mentioned, the-coverage wasn't- more that, as you've mentioned, the coverage wasn't there the cctv coverage wasn't there at the — the cctv coverage wasn't there at the stop— the cctv coverage wasn't there at the stop vehicle— the cctv coverage wasn't there at the stop vehicle detection teohhoiogy— at the stop vehicle detection technology .was- at the stop vehicle detection technology was supposed to technology that was supposed to shot— technology that was supposed to shot-stoo— technology that was supposed to spot-stop-wasn't- spot the stop vehicle wasn't ootuoiiy— spot the stop vehicle wasn't actually there _ spot the stop vehicle wasn't actually there it's being actually there. it's only being put— actually there. it's only being hut—existing- actually there. it's only being. put—existing smart put in now to the existing smart rhotorwoys. — put in now to the existing smart rhotorwuys. so.— put in now to the existing smart motorways. so, you— put in now to the existing smart motorways. so, you know , people motorways. so, you know, people host— motorways. so, you know, people host-h— motorways. so, you know, people host-h it.— motorways. so, you know, people host-h it. aho— motorways. so, you know, people lost-in it. and also,- motorways. so, you know, people lost in it. and also, if lost trust in it. and also, if you— lost trust in it. and also, if you ore— lost trust in it. and also, if you thet— lost trust in it. and also, if you are that one- lost trust in it. and also, if you are that one person who's stooped— you are that one person who's stoooet you— you are that one person who's stopped your you— you are that one person who's stopped you, you may be passed by-many_ stopped you, you may be passed by-many drivers- stopped you, you may be passed by many drivers who spot

by many, many drivers who spot you thi— by many, many drivers who spot you and managed— by many, many drivers who spot you and managed to avoid you. hut— you and managed to avoid you. hut it— you and managed to avoid you. hut it rust— you and managed to avoid you. but it just takes— you and managed to avoid you. but it just takes that one person— but it just takes that one- person-on-mobile person who is on the mobile phone.— person who is on the mobile phonet thet— person who is on the mobile phone, that one— person who is on the mobile phone, that one distracted lorry triwer— phone, that one distracted lorry triwer ont— phone, that one distracted lorry driver and you've— phone, that one distracted lorry driver and you've got the oooiteht— driver and you've got the accident and— driver and you've got the accident and you've got absolutely— accident and you've got absolutely nowhere and absolutely nowhere to go and think.— absolutely nowhere to go and thihh-hhow— absolutely nowhere to go and think-know it.- absolutely nowhere to go and think. know it. it's think. you know it. it's a tiiiiouit— think. you know it. it's a difficult one— think. you know it. it's a difficult one because, you know, welheet— difficult one because, you know, welheet to— difficult one because, you know, we i need to - and - difficult one because, you know, we need to and many we do need to have and many years— we do need to have and many years-when— we do need to have and many years-when this- we do need to have and many years when this first years ago when this first came oiohg— years ago when this first came along, congestion— years ago when this first came along, congestion was the big issue-the— along, congestion was the big issue. the trouble is they issue. but the trouble is they thet— issue. but the trouble is they triet to— issue. but the trouble is they tried to solve— issue. but the trouble is they tried to solve the— issue. but the trouble is they tried to solve the congestion prohierh — tried to solve the congestion orohierh oh— tried to solve the congestion problem on the— tried to solve the congestion problem on the cheap , really by problem on the cheap, really by not problem on the cheap, really by hrotou-— problem on the cheap, really by not-our motorways. problem on the cheap, really by not our motorways just not extending our motorways just by using— not extending our motorways just by using the— not extending our motorways just by using the hard— not extending our motorways just by using the hard shoulder. and that— by using the hard shoulder. and that hos— by using the hard shoulder. and that hos-hot— by using the hard shoulder. and that has-not to- by using the hard shoulder. and that has not to work and that has proven not to work and not that has proven not to work and hot-he— that has proven not to work and hotlhe torturou— that has proven not to work and not be popular. yeah, not to be popular. yeah, absolutely. _ not to be popular. yeah, absolutely. you not to be popular. yeah,- absolutely.-you neil. absolutely. thank you neil. rhet— absolutely. thank you neil. ihet wes— absolutely. thank you neil. that was research- absolutely. thank you neil. that was research director at iam roadsmart neil greig. that used to be called the department for advanced motoring. yeah anyway, i like that i want to do my advanced driving test, but i would have kept the old title. yeah. anyway, right. still to . just— yeah. anyway, right. still to come , just how crippling could come, just how crippling could the upcoming nurses strike be for the nhs? find out after your morning's news with arron armstrong . it's 1131.

morning's news with arron armstrong . it's1131. i'm morning's news with arron armstrong . it's 1131. i'm arron armstrong. it's 1131. i'm arron armstrong— armstrong. it's 1131. i'm arron armstrong in— armstrong. it's 1131. i'm arron armstrong in the— armstrong. it's 1131. i'm arron armstrong in the gb- ' g it's1131. i'm arron armstrong in the gb newsroom ioishi— armstrong in the gb newsroom itishi sumt— armstrong in the gb newsroom rishi sunak says— armstrong in the gb newsroom rishi sunak says poor numeracy and rishi sunak says poor numeracy ent on— rishi sunak says poor numeracy ent en mi — rishi sunak says poor numeracy and an anti maths— rishi sunak says poor numeracy and an anti maths mindset is oosting— and an anti maths mindset is oosting the— and an anti maths mindset is costing the uk— and an anti maths mindset is costing the uk economy tens of hitiions— costing the uk economy tens of hiiiions oi— costing the uk economy tens of billions of pounds— costing the uk economy tens of billions of pounds every year. the— billions of pounds every year. the prime— billions of pounds every year. the prime minister is setting up a the prime minister is setting up o to— the prime minister is setting up a review to ensure— the prime minister is setting up a review to ensure masses stutiet— a review to ensure masses stutiet hy— a review to ensure masses studied by all— a review to ensure masses studied by all students in tngiont— studied by all students in tngiont un— studied by all students in england up to— studied by all students in england up to the age of 18 without— england up to the age of 18 without making— england up to the age of 18 without making it compulsory at a—iewei. — without making it compulsory at a—iewei. he-s— without making it compulsory at a—level. he's warning without the right— a—level. he's warning without the right education, children are the right education, children teing— the right education, children are being left— the right education, children are being left behind and exotutet— are being left behind and excluded from _ are being left behind and excluded from careers they may aspire— excluded from careers they may aspire to. — excluded from careers they may aspire to. he-s— excluded from careers they may aspire to. he's also— excluded from careers they may aspire to. he's also criticised the— aspire to. he's also criticised the ouiture— aspire to. he's also criticised the culture that— aspire to. he's also criticised the culture that it's okay to be hot— the culture that it's okay to be hot ot— the culture that it's okay to be bad at maths,— the culture that it's okay to be bad at maths, claiming it leaves pebble— bad at maths, claiming it leaves oeooie twioe— bad at maths, claiming it leaves oeooie twioe os— bad at maths, claiming it leaves people twice as likely to be unemployed— people twice as likely to be unemployed employed than those with competent— unemployed employed than those with competent skills . with competent skills. the uk is one with competent skills. the uk is oi— with competent skills. the uk is oi the— with competent skills. the uk is one of the least numerate countries in the developed world. more than 8 million adults have numeracy skills below those expected of a nine year old and around a third of our young people don't pass maths, gcse . we make jokes about maths, gcse. we make jokes about not being able to do maths. it's socially acceptable. we say things like, oh, maths, i can't do that. it's not for me. and

everyone laughs, but we never make a joke like that about not being able to read . hillary being able to read. hillary clinton's urged— “g : hillary clinton's urged politicians in northern— clinton's urged politicians in northern ireland to return to power— northern ireland to return to power aging,— northern ireland to return to power sharing, saying the wintsor— power sharing, saying the windsor framework provides a noth— windsor framework provides a goth iorwort. — windsor framework provides a path forward. she was speaking at path forward. she was speaking ot queens— path forward. she was speaking at queen's university in heiiost— at queen's university in belfast,-she's. at queen's university in belfast, she's the belfast, where she's the chancellor— belfast, where she's the chancellor you're the man you're hooking— chancellor you're the man you're hooking-your— chancellor you're the man you're looking your screen, sir looking at on your screen, sir tony— looking at on your screen, sir tony-ont— looking at on your screen, sir tony-and bertie- looking at on your screen, sir tony and bertie ahern and tony blair and bertie ahern and senator— tony blair and bertie ahern and senator george— tony blair and bertie ahern and senator george mitchell also senator george mitchell are also the..— senator george mitchell are also there. marting— senator george mitchell are also there, marking the— senator george mitchell are also there, marking the 25th anniversary— there, marking the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement— anniversary of the good friday agreement .— anniversary of the good friday agreement . hillary clinton's agreement. hillary clinton's husband.— agreement. hillary clinton's husband, bill— agreement. hillary clinton's husband, bill clinton, the iom— husband, bill clinton, the ion us— husband, bill clinton, the former us president, will also tote— former us president, will also tote hort— former us president, will also tote port .— former us president, will also tote port . rhe— former us president, will also take part . the uk's aviation take part. the uk's aviation intustry— take part. the uk's aviation intustry hos— take part. the uk's aviation industry has acknowledged measures to— industry has acknowledged measures to make flying less hormiui— measures to make flying less hormiui to— measures to make flying less harmful to the— measures to make flying less harmful to the environment , but harmful to the environment, but it witt— harmful to the environment, but it witi hush— harmful to the environment, but it witi push up— harmful to the environment, but it will push up ticket prices . it will push up ticket prices. it it will push up ticket prices. it says— it will push up ticket prices. it says the— it will push up ticket prices. it says the cost— it will push up ticket prices. it says the cost of decarbonising air travel will ootuoiiy— decarbonising air travel will uotuoiiy out— decarbonising air travel will actually put some people off iiying— actually put some people off iiying ont— actually put some people off iiying ent its— actually put some people off flying and it's calling on the government— flying and it's calling on the government to— flying and it's calling on the government to reduce the tiiierenoe — government to reduce the difference in— government to reduce the difference in price between traditional— difference in price between traditional jet— difference in price between traditional jet fuel and greener oitemotiwes— traditional jet fuel and greener alternatives .— traditional jet fuel and greener alternatives . the— traditional jet fuel and greener alternatives . the transport alternatives. the transport seoretory— alternatives. the transport secretary says— alternatives. the transport secretary says the government's oommittet— secretary says the government's oommittet to— secretary says the government's committed to helping airlines toweioh— committed to helping airlines teveioh new— committed to helping airlines develop new technology and to move-iron — develop new technology and to move-from fossil- develop new technology and to

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news. channel very good morning . it's 1138. very good morning. it's1138. you're with to— very good morning. it's1138. you're with to the— «ti;th g: “g it's1138. you're with to the point on gb wows. — you're with to the point on gb wows. wow— you're with to the point on gb news now o— you're with to the point on gb news. now a horse trainer has biomet— news. now a horse trainer has blamed animal— news. now a horse trainer has blamed animal animal protesters at blamed animal animal protesters ot the— blamed animal animal protesters oi the ortho— blamed animal animal protesters at the grand national for the teeth— at the grand national for the teeth oi— at the grand national for the teeth oi his— at the grand national for the death of his animal during the weit.— death of his animal during the race. well, 118— death of his animal during the race. “8 race. well, 118 people were arrested over the actions that delayed the start of aintree's big event of the year. that's right. 60, big event of the year. that's right. .60, trained- right. hill, 60, trained by sonty— right. hill, 60, trained by sandy thompson, fell at the int— sandy thompson, fell at the iirst ionos— sandy thompson, fell at the first fence and _ sandy thompson, fell at the first fence and was put down titer— first fence and was put down after suffering _ first fence and was put down after suffering a— first fence and was put down after suffering a broken neck . after suffering a broken neck. mr. after suffering a broken neck. air. ihompsen— after suffering a broken neck. mr. thompson said— after suffering a broken neck. mr. thompson said the- after suffering a broken neck. mr. thompson said the actions of the protesters unsettled his horse and they were response visible for the horse's fall. well joining now is the horse well joining us now is the horse consultant at animal aid, dean stanton hall. good morning, dean . ihonh— stanton hall. good morning, dean . thank you— stanton hall. good morning, dean . thank you ior— stanton hall. good morning, dean . thank you forjoining— good morning, dean . thank you forjoining us. what . thank you for joining us. what do . thank you forjoining us. what

to you— . thank you forjoining us. what to you think— . thank you forjoining us. what do you think about— . thank you forjoining us. what do you think about that accusation— do you think about that accusation was accusation that it was the protesters— accusation that it was the protesters who - accusation that it was the protesters who responsible protesters who are responsible for protesters who are responsible ior-teeth— protesters who are responsible ior-teeth oi— protesters who are responsible for-death of this- protesters who are responsible for death of this horse ? for the death of this horse? oost— for the death of this horse? good morning.— for the death of this horse? good morning. good- for the death of this horse? good morning. good morning, andrew. well, that's utter nonsense, isn't it? what really killed that horse was that fence at the grand national, a horse died there the very died there in 2019. the very same fence. the first fence. the horse was called up for a review and there was no protest in that yeah and there was no protest in that year. why not? the trainer year. so why not? the trainer sandy thompson is doing is actually relinquishing, relinquishing his responsibility towards his own horse and trying towards his own horse and trying to blame someone else for the death. if sandy thompson thought that the horse was agitated beforehand, he cut he had the opportunity to withdraw his horse from that race. and also he would no from historical records that horses time and time again get killed in the grand national we've seen since 2000, animal aid have kept records on this. 62 horses have died at the grand national . so died at the grand national. so he would be fully aware of those figures as well. so he was already putting his horse in a dangerous . and what

dangerous situation. and what he's to blame he's tried to do is blame somebody own faults somebody else for his own faults . but nobody loves horses more then— . but nobody loves horses more then the— . but nobody loves horses more then the peopie— but nobody loves horses more than the people who are there at ermi— than the people who are there at grand national— than the people who are there at grand national weekend . all of grand national weekend. all of the rooms— grand national weekend. all of the teams, the— grand national weekend. all of the teams, the riders, the hooters — the teams, the riders, the backers, they _ the teams, the riders, the backers, they all love equestrianism. and it's the last thing— equestrianism. and it's the last thing they— equestrianism. and it's the last thing they would— equestrianism. and it's the last thing they would want to see. out— thing they would want to see. hut it— thing they would want to see. hut it is— thing they would want to see. hut it is o— thing they would want to see. but it is a risk— thing they would want to see. but it is a risk that they're preporet— but it is a risk that they're preporeo to— but it is a risk that they're prepared to take. so it should be prepared to take. so it should to their— prepared to take. so it should be their risk— prepared to take. so it should be their risk to— prepared to take. so it should be their risk to take if they hoos— be their risk to take if they hoos to. — be their risk to take if they choose to, shouldn't it? well the— choose to, shouldn't it? well the horse— choose to, shouldn't it? well the horse doesn't— choose to, shouldn't it? well the horse doesn't have a choice in this— the horse doesn't have a choice in this is— the horse doesn't have a choice in this is it. — the horse doesn't have a choice in this is it. we're— the horse doesn't have a choice in this is it. we're in- in this is it. we're in a society and i think we've got a broken relation with racehorses, particularly as 200 a year die on british racecourses and 1 in 58 horses who start the season in jump racing will be dead by the end of it. so this idea that the end of it. so this idea that the industry really cares for its horse or horse is clearly is clearly false because of the amount of deaths that that occur. horses get whipped every day. i mean, would you, beverley , take a whip and hit a horse? no, really wouldn't. but no, i really wouldn't. but i reoiiy— no, i really wouldn't. but i really wouldn't. _ no, i really wouldn't. but i really wouldn't. but i don't think— really wouldn't. but i don't think thor— really wouldn't. but i don't think that anybody that is in thor— think that anybody that is in that environment wishes any teiiherote— that environment wishes any

deliberate harm— that environment wishes any deliberate harm on the horses either— deliberate harm on the horses either .— deliberate harm on the horses either. i— deliberate harm on the horses either. i think— deliberate harm on the horses either. i think it's an unfortunate,- either. i think it's an unfortunate, tragic consequence of unfortunate, tragic consequence oi o— unfortunate, tragic consequence oi o sport— unfortunate, tragic consequence oi o sport whioh— unfortunate, tragic consequence of a sport which is— unfortunate, tragic consequence of a sport which is millennia yeors— of a sport which is millennia yeors oit. — of a sport which is millennia years old. and— of a sport which is millennia years old. and of- of a sport which is millennia years old. ' “t: ti.tit. of a sport which is millennia years old. ' “t: ti.tit- years old. and of course, i'm sure these people don't want the horses to die. they don't want they don't want them, you know , they don't want them, you know, an empty horse box to go back home, you know. but what what's overriding all that is their enthusiam to make money to get famous through having a grand national winning horse and all the on on all the celebrations that come along with that and the horses welfare becomes secondary to the to the half £1 million prize money for example that could have been won on saturday in the grand national by by hill 16. so people were putting money and entertainment and glory before the actual horses. but and it's on human terms, isn't it? it's not on the horses terms. those horses when they set out in that four and a half mile race nearly in the grand national, they don't know what's ahead of them. they don't know 30 fences and know that there's 30 fences and they're have to run to

they're going to have to run to an exhausting gallop to get around. , you know, around. and it proves, you know, we've got top, top, top racehorses in grand racehorses in the grand national, but only of the 39 national, but only 17 of the 39 were able to finish. so that shows demanding is. shows how demanding the race is. and dean, can just can i just and dean, can i just can i just ask you a question? the thing is, ask you a question? the thing is youre— ask you a question? the thing is. you not— ask you a question? the thing is, you're not you— 2“ the thing is, you're not you wouldn't be oontent— is, you're not you wouldn't be oontent with— is, you're not you wouldn't be content with just— is, you're not you wouldn't be content with just having the mono— content with just having the grand national— content with just having the grand national banned, would yout— grand national banned, would you? hon-t— grand national banned, would youi non-t you— grand national banned, would you? don't you want all horse rooing— you? don't you want all horsei racing _competitive you? don't you want all horse racingwith competitive you? don't you want all horse racingwith horses? competitive you? don't you want all horse racingwith horses? banned?tive sport with horses? banned? isn't thor— sport with horses? banned? isn't thot-reoiiy— sport with horses? banned? isn't that-really want?- sport with horses? banned? isn't that really want? you that what you really want? you veoh. — that what you really want? you veoh. iii— that what you really want? you em in teii— that what you really want? you yeah, i'll tell you— that what you really want? you yeah, i'll tell you why,- that what you really want? you yeah, i'll tell you why, andrew. well uh, animal went inside well uh, animal aid went inside a horse slaughterhouse over two years, and we looked at the horses going through there and. and it was shown on on panorama. the famous documentary programme. our findings . we programme. our findings. we found that 4000 racehorses and many more sport horses as well were going through the slaughterhouse and killed for their for their meat . you know, their for their meat. you know, some of them very, very young horses, some one of them a horse called vita duroc, was trained by the grand national winning trainer, gordon elliott. the horse had won £200,000, nearly in prize money in three months

after he'd finished with after he'd finished racing with elliott, he was in a slaughterhouse. so so that's the callousness of the industry . callousness of the industry. arnie and whilst that exists, i don't think we certainly at animal think a growing animal aid and i think a growing number wouldn't number of people wouldn't support either. dean just support that either. dean just just support that either. dean just iust question— support that either. dean just just question that— support that either. dean just just question that that- dean just just question that that raises is who— just question that that raises is who where _ just question that that raises is who where the just question that that raises. is who where -the - go is who where does the meat go irom— is who where does the meat go irom hos— is who where does the meat go from horses ? _ is who where does the meat go from horses ? is— is who where does the meat go from horses ? from horses? is most of the meat goes to belgium, italy , southern goes to belgium, italy, southern europe . if you eat a paul europe. if you eat a paul o'grady sausage in in italy, it's going to be horse meat, you know, but the point is, is that should we be doing this to our racehorses ? should we use an racehorses? should we use an event attainment? and then as food products, i think that's morally wrong. and i think we are denying the public transparency on what is really going on with this industry . and going on with this industry. and it's going on with this industry. and wsfime going on with this industry. and it's time that this was opened up and exposed. ed all right. htaw — up and exposed. ed all right. htaw ihot-s— up and exposed. ed all right. dean that's dean— - iii“t: : ed all right. dean that's dean stancil . you dean that's dean stancil. you mote— dean that's dean stancil. you mote your— dean that's dean stancil. you make your case— dean that's dean stancil. you make your case very powerfully irom— make your case very powerfully irom onimoi— make your case very powerfully from animal-i— make your case very powerfully from animal i hadn't heard from animal aid. i hadn't heard of from animal aid. i hadn't heard oi—rememherl of them that don't remember that ponoromo _tit- of them that don't remember that panorama. _did you| panorama. doctor patrick did you bet panorama. doctor patrick did you iet-notionoi— panorama. doctor patrick did you bet-national ? - panorama. doctor patrick did you bet national 7 4,53... panorama. doctor patrick did you bet national? / jt: bet on the national? yeah. did you os— bet on the national? yeah. did you os o— bet on the national? yeah. did you as a child ? yeah. at £0.10

you as a child? yeah. at £0.10 on red rum and red rum came in. bob champion was , was the, was bob champion was, was the, was the ohompion— bob champion was, was the, was the ohompion. i— bob champion was, was the, was the champion. i can't even remember it. _ the champion. i can't even remember it. �*fit�*ti -- iijj“ the champion. i can't even remember it. �*fit�*ti -- 0“ [it remember it. we'll see. oh very good. so it came in at about 10 to 1 and it beat the top weight chris or chris who faded in the in the run in so and i also bet on another one called rag trade a few years later at 18 to 1 i think and that came in as well. so i was quite lucky with the grand national you're gambling type. no , the only gambling i've type. no, the only gambling i've tone— type. no, the only gambling i've tone is— type. no, the only gambling i've tone is the— type. no, the only gambling i've done is the one— type. no, the only gambling i've done is the one time— .«t no, the only gambling i've done is the one time i went to tos— done is the one time i went to ios vegos— done is the one time i went to ios vegos ont— done is the one time i went to las vegas and just— done is the one time i went to las vegas and just spent the whore— las vegas and just spent the whoie night— las vegas and just spent the whole night in— las vegas and just spent the whole night in the casino down stoirs. — whole night in the casino down stoirs. anu— whole night in the casino down stairs. and-no- whole night in the casino down stairs. ' stairs. and that's no windows, no oxygen being no clock, just oxygen being pumped downstairs. did not pumped downstairs. i did not know time alcohol. and know what time and alcohol. and if you're if you're gambling,- if you're if you're gambling, they—trinhsl if you're if you're gambling, they—drinks . if you're if you're gambling,- they_drinks . it's they give you free drinks. it's so-heing— they give you free drinks. it's so-ieing in— they give you free drinks. it's so _being in there. - they give you free drinks. it's so-being in there. youl so bizarre being in there. you just don't what time of day so bizarre being in there. you ju is. ion't what time of day so bizarre being in there. you juis. it'st what time of day so bizarre being in there. you ju is. it's trickery. 'hat time of day so bizarre being in there. you juis. it's trickery. thatime of day so bizarre being in there. you juis. it's trickery. that ise of day so bizarre being in there. you juis. it's trickery. that is itof day it is. it's trickery. that is it is. it it is. it's trickery. that is it is . it is. it is. it's trickery. that is it is. it is. it's not very heoithy. — is. it is. it's not very healthy. this- it is. it's not very healthy. this is a bit of a dark story.— healthy. this is a bit of a dark story. hotrioh— healthy. this is a bit of a dark story, patrick, about the rapes ont— story, patrick, about the rapes ont seuoi— story, patrick, about the rapes and sexual assaults, taking piooe—eweryl and sexual assaults, taking. place—every week and sexual assaults, taking- place_every week . place in hospitals every week. yest— place in hospitals every week. yes. its— place in hospitals every week. yes. its in— place in hospitals every week. yes. its in o— place in hospitals every week. yes, it's in a few— place in hospitals every week. yes, it's in a few papers.- place in hospitals every week. /tis “ yes, it's in a few papers. the daily mail has got it on page 1

in 6500 sex attacks in our hospitals . this is, i should hospitals. this is, i should say, over three years. but it's still equates to sort of dozens a week for 30 years. it's too many. a week for 30 years. it's too mony. homot— 30 fish; it's too many. patrick absolutely. ' “t: many. patrick absolutely. and thing— many. patrick absolutely. and thing i— many. patrick absolutely. and one thing i think— many. patrick absolutely. and one thing i think is— many. patrick absolutely. and one thing i think is worth a point, really worth making is the vast majority motty of the victims of these crimes are going to be women, right? and the vast majority of the perpetrators are going to be men. so for starters, can we get it out of our heads that women are being unreasonable when they say they they want an end to mixed sex wards and they want single sex wards to mean single sex with no biological males? i think because the evidence from this report is that the attacks are carried out by fellow patients or visitors. yeah, a variety . but but but variety. but but but particularly more likely to be that. thank goodness i suppose, than staff. yeah and the prosecution rate is just 4% and there's had to be a lot of digging around by joe phoenix of

reading university through freedom of information requests to come up with this basically the bureaucracy of the hospitals doesn't want to know about it. the evidence is often not strong enough. people think, to bring a prosecution. but for so many people i know, it's a small percentage of the overall people who go into hospital. but but for so many people, when they're when they're they're weak, they're unwell , to be exposed to they're unwell, to be exposed to this is a disgrace. thousand a year. this is a disgrace. thousand a yeor . ves— this is a disgrace. thousand a year . yes, absolutely- this is a disgrace. thousand a year . yes, absolutely .- t: gi thousand a year . yes, absolutely . my maths year. yes, absolutely. my maths when— year. yes, absolutely. my maths when you— year. yes, absolutely. my maths when you ore— year. yes, absolutely. my maths when you are at— year. yes, absolutely. my maths when you are at your most wuinerohie. — when you are at your most vulnerable, bushra, it's terriiying— vulnerable, bushra, it's terrifying. and the idea that omeistmes— terrifying. and the idea that sometimes, you— terrifying. and the idea that sometimes, you know, you have to tote— sometimes, you know, you have to tote your— sometimes, you know, you have to tote your ohiit— sometimes, you know, you have to take your child to— sometimes, you know, you have to take your child to hospital, you might— take your child to hospital, you might meet— take your child to hospital, you might need on— take your child to hospital, you might need an overnight stay. are they— might need an overnight stay. are they-soie— might need an overnight stay. are they-safe ? - might need an overnight stay. are they safe ? \tt:i might need an overnight stay. are they safe ? \t:i /tit- might need an overnight stay. are they safe ? \tt:i /tit- are they not safe? no. you know, when i read this story , i was when i read this story, i was absolutely was absolutely horrified. i was thinking chilling, thinking to myself, chilling, isn't that isn't it? it's horrible that you've there. you're you've gone in there. you're you're are a patient. there is something wrong with you and you're to have to you're vulnerable to have to being or sexual assault being raped or sexual assault and rape. and you could be you oouit— and rape. and you could be you oouit he— and rape. and you could be you could be under— and rape. and you could be you could be under the— iii“t: and you could be you could be under the influence of drugs— could be under the influence of trugs .— could be under the influence of trugs . ant— could be under the influence of trugs . ant so— could be under the influence of drugs . and so unable to fight drugs. and so unable to fight onyhoty— drugs. and so unable to fight onyhooy oii. — drugs. and so unable to fight anybody off. i/tirsi“ i/tirsi“ and

anybody off. yeah. yeah. and oiso— anybody off. yeah. yeah. and also even just— anybody off. yeah. yeah. and also even just to— anybody off. i/tirsi“ i/tirsi“ and also even just to understand as weit— also even just to understand as weit .— also even just to understand as weit . who— also even just to understand as weit . who ore— also even just to understand as well , who are the— also even just to understand as well, who are the real perpetrators - well, who are the real perpetrators because they're hint— perpetrators because they're hint oi— perpetrators because they're kind of vaguely— perpetrators because they're kind of vaguely gave us an idea of kind of vaguely gave us an idea oi who— kind of vaguely gave us an idea oi who the— kind of vaguely gave us an idea of who the perpetrators are. hut— of who the perpetrators are. hut there-s— of who the perpetrators are. but there's nurses— of who the perpetrators are. but there's nurses around. perhaps the nurses need to do more rounds, check more rounds, double check that everyone's . is it a nurse? everyone's okay. is it a nurse? iioyhe— everyone's okay. is it a nurse? iaoyhe they— everyone's okay. is it a nurse? iaoyhe they to— everyone's okay. is it a nurse? maybe they to protect- is it a nurse? maybe they to protect patients irom— maybe they to protect patients from - sexually - maybe they to protect patients from sexually assaulted in from being sexually assaulted in their— from being sexually assaulted in their hot.— from being sexually assaulted in their bed. iknow_ from being sexually assaulted in their bed.iknow. _ from being sexually assaulted in their bed.iknow. i- from being sexually assaulted in their bed. know , i . their bed. i know. i mean, it raises so many questions. this story. it does . and obviously story. it does. and obviously security at the entrances to wards as well. there's also a point being made that since the covid point being made that since the covm thing point being made that since the covid thing came in and everyone's masked all the time, it's harder to spot the identity of offenders as well. of course you couldn't. the nhs is orippiet— you couldn't. the nhs is orippiet hy— you couldn't. the nhs is crippled by costs- i: “ . the nhs is crippled by costs already with the i— crippled by costs already with the i wont— crippled by costs already with the i wont you— crippled by costs already with the i want you to— crippled by costs already with the i want you to put a security guort— the i want you to put a security guort in— the i want you to put a security guort in every— the i want you to put a security guard in every ward. i you say if guard in every ward. i you say ii you— guard in every ward. i you say ii you get— guard in every ward. i you say ii you get the— guard in every ward. i you say if you get the mixed sex wards, how— if you get the mixed sex wards, how monyi— if you get the mixed sex wards, how many? jeremy hunt was going to get— how many? jeremy hunt was going to get rit— how many? jeremy hunt was going to get no oi— how many? jeremy hunt was going to get rid of those— how many? jeremy hunt was going to get rid of those when he was heoith— to get rid of those when he was health secretary?— to get rid of those when he was health secretary? do you remember? _ health secretary? do you remember? i/tirsi“ health secretary? do you remember? / joni-- health secretary? do you- remember? yeah. well, i think it goes all the way back to tony blair, declared on blair, who declared a war on mixed sex wars. but now we can't even agree what single sex

even agree what a single sex ward because all ward is because biologic all males are allowed males in some cases are allowed if they identify as female to be on a women's ward, and that just is unbalanced. this is a major pubuc is unbalanced. this is a major public crisis . good on the daily public crisis. good on the daily iioii— public crisis. good on the daily iioii ior— public crisis. good on the daily mail for leading— public crisis. good on the daily mail for leading with— ti. ti.i good on the daily mail for leading with that. i hope— mail for leading with that. i hope its— mail for leading with that. i hope its going— mail for leading with that. i hope it's going to- mail for leading with that. i hope it's going to be- mail for leading with that. i hope it's going to be raised in parliament this week because it is an absolute scandal. yeah. yeah mean, i'm yeah i agree. i mean, i'm shootet— yeah i agree. i mean, i'm shoohet ot— yeah i agree. i mean, i'm shocked at the— yeah i agree. i mean, i'm shocked at the fact- / agititi i mean, i'm shocked at the fact that out of the number— shocked at the fact that out of the number of— shocked at the fact that out of the number of cases , it's 4. the number of cases, it's 4. t hey— the number of cases, it's 4. ihey-ohorget- the number of cases, it's 4. ihey-ohorget .- the number of cases, it's 4. they charged . how are we on they get charged. how are we on 4? they get charged. how are we on is out— they get charged. how are we on .p hut how— they get charged. how are we on 4? but how many— they get charged. how are we on 4? but how many how many women who go— 4? but how many how many women who go to— 4? but how many how many women who go to the— 4? but how many how many women who go to the police— 4? but how many how many women who go to the police with see there— who go to the police with see there with— who go to the police with see there with rape— who go to the police with see there with rape ,— who go to the police with see there with rape , see their cases there with rape, see their cases suooessiuiiy— there with rape, see their cases successfully prosecuted ? . successfully prosecuted? isn't it round— successfully prosecuted? isn't it rouno zi— successfully prosecuted? isn't it around 2? yeah,— successfully prosecuted? isn't it around 2? yeah, it- successfully prosecuted? . . : i7? i/tirsi“ . yeah. it around 2? yeah, it is. yeah. yeah, i guess so. particularly in london, in the metropolitan police area. yeah it's just really and if you don't really bad. and if you don't have the evidence and don't have the evidence and you don't have the evidence and you don't have anything to prove that this happened but you know happened to you, but you know that did yeah. that something did then. yeah. and won't working the and cctv won't be working in the hospital another hospital either, right? another scandal. this is about vapes teing— scandal. this is about vapes being-illegally- scandal. this is about vapes being-illegally to- i: this is about vapes being illegally to kids. being sold illegally to kids. this— being sold illegally to kids. this is— being sold illegally to kids. this is o— being sold illegally to kids. this is a sting— being sold illegally to kids. this is a sting undercover operotion— this is a sting undercover operotion hy— this is a sting undercover operation by the mirror. they sent— operation by the mirror. they sent o— operation by the mirror. they sent o is— operation by the mirror. they

sent o is yeor— operation by the mirror. they sent a 13 year old girl into shops— sent a 13 year old girl into some shops in— sent a 13 year old girl into some shops in manchester to see if some shops in manchester to see ii she— some shops in manchester to see ii she wouit— some shops in manchester to see if she would buy— some shops in manchester to see if she would buy vapes. and surprise— if she would buy vapes. and surprise, surprise , she was surprise, surprise, she was ohsoiuteiy— surprise, surprise, she was absolutely able- surprise, surprise, she was absolutely able to. this is the moth— absolutely able to. this is the health disaster— absolutely able to. this is the health disaster of— absolutely able to. this is the health disaster of our generation- health disaster of our generation .- health disaster of our generation . i genuinely believe generation. i genuinely believe thot— generation. i genuinely believe thot os— generation. i genuinely believe thot os-os— generation. i genuinely believe that as-as obesity.- generation. i genuinely believe that as as obesity. but the that as well as obesity. but the way— that as well as obesity. but the woy-these— that as well as obesity. but the way these children are way that these children are teing— way that these children are teing ooming— way that these children are being coming addicted to these wopes— being coming addicted to these wopes is— being coming addicted to these wopes is on— being coming addicted to these vapes is an absolute menace. riot-s— vapes is an absolute menace. ihot-s heoouse— vapes is an absolute menace. that's because what- vapes is an absolute menace. that's because what we- vapes is an absolute menace. that's because what we did, what happened with the whole vaping was it was it was projected and marketed like it was some fancy fad and it made you look cool. so just go into vaping. at that time we didn't have much information about it and how dangerous vaping actually is. so what children started doing was kind of adopting. i know people go to like the arabic places as well and they smoke shisha and you know, that's quite casual. it's a social thing. yeah this has all on the wrong has started all on the wrong foot. it's all on the wrong footing. there's a, there's a woping— footing. there's a, there's a woping shop— footing. there's a, there's a vaping shop near- “t; there's a, there's a vaping shop near me where i live in worth— vaping shop near me where i live in north london.— vaping shop near me where i live in north london. it— vaping shop near me where i live in north london. it is looking into— in north london. it is looking into o— in north london. it is looking into o sweet— in north london. it is looking into a sweet-the- in north london. it is looking into a sweet the colours into a sweet shop. the colours ore-twery— into a sweet shop. the colours are-every colour- into a sweet shop. the colours are-every colour ofi are so bright. every colour of the— are so bright. every colour of the roinhow— are so bright. every colour of the rainbow. whereas if you go to-newsogent— the rainbow. whereas if you go to - newsagent to - the rainbow. whereas if you go to newsagent to buy to my newsagent to buy your paper,— to my newsagent to buy your poper. ott—

to my newsagent to buy your paper, all-been- paper, all the have been ohsouret— paper, all the have been obscured because they're oongerous— obscured because they're dangerous and bad you, but dangerous and bad for you, but they-re—peopie- dangerous and bad for you, but| they're—people and they're encouraging people and all they're encouraging people and oii—gum all these flavours. bubble gum ont— all these flavours. bubble gum ont oherry— all these flavours. bubble gum and cherry. they're aimed at and cherry. they're not aimed at old and cherry. they're not aimed at oto-who— and cherry. they're not aimed at oto-who-trying- and cherry. they're not aimed at old _who -trying to. old blokes who were trying to hot— old blokes who were trying to tioh-ihey-re- old blokes who were trying to. kick-they're-at kick smoking. they're aimed at his — kick smoking. they're aimed at his li— kick smoking. they're aimed at kids. .i think— kick smoking. they're aimed at kids. .i think i— kick smoking. they're aimed at kids. so i think i personally now vapes now think, patrick, that vapes should ever have been should only ever have been available on prescription because they were to be a because they were meant to be a health to help smokers health measure to help smokers quit. but what they've is quit. but what they've done is they've created whole they've created a whole generation who are now addicted to yes i suppose to nicotine. yes i suppose arguing on the other side of it that they absolutely they have nicotine addiction on. what they don't nicotine addiction on. what they ton-t howe— nicotine addiction on. what they ton-t hove is— nicotine addiction on. what they don't have is the— nicotine addiction on. what they don't have is the is— nicotine addiction on. what they don't have is the is the- “ ti.tit. chit: ti.. i“ i“ what they don't have is the is the tar and the— don't have is the is the tar and the other— don't have is the is the tar and the other gunk— don't have is the is the tar and the other gunk highly carcinogenic chemicals are in it. we— carcinogenic chemicals are in it. we ton-t— carcinogenic chemicals are in it. we don't know— carcinogenic chemicals are in it. we don't know what the long term — it. we don't know what the long term eiieot— it. we don't know what the long term effect will— it. we don't know what the long term effect will be. _ it. we don't know what the long term effect will be. but i very muoh— term effect will be. but i very muoh tote— term effect will be. but i very much take your— term effect will be. but i very much take your point. and antrew-s— much take your point. and andrew's point— much take your point. and andrew's point about the bright ooours— andrew's point about the bright ooouis ont— andrew's point about the bright colours and it's— andrew's point about the bright colours and it's almost a primory— colours and it's almost a primary appeal to people , primary appeal to people, ohiitren— primary appeal to people, children of— primary appeal to people, children of secondary school age won-t— children of secondary school age won-t howe— children of secondary school age won't have noticed. but last week— won't have noticed. but last week the— won't have noticed. but last week the government's announced a pilot scheme where they're going give free know going to give free oh, i know people to get them off now is that really what the taxpayer should be doing? is that what the state should be doing? it

tells me how deeply embedded in the-intustry— tells me how deeply embedded in the-intustry is— tells me how deeply embedded in the-industry is with- tells me how deeply embedded in the industry is with the the vape industry is with the gonnt — the vape industry is with the government. that's what that's they-we — government. that's what that's ihey-we got— government. that's what that's me. they've got somebody by the prowerhiois— me. they've got somebody by the prowerhiois. i— me. they've got somebody by the proverbials. i have— me. they've got somebody by the proverbials. i have to say, heoouse— proverbials. i have to say, because the _ proverbials. i have to say, because the way that they've monoget — because the way that they've monoget to — because the way that they've managed to get— because the way that they've managed to get these marketed to ohiitren— managed to get these marketed to children primarily— managed to get these marketed to children primarily is deeply tisturhing— children primarily is deeply tisturhing .— children primarily is deeply disturbing . and there was a disturbing. and there was a ohiit— disturbing. and there was a ohiit in— disturbing. and there was a child in the— disturbing. and there was a child in the paper the other day who-s— child in the paper the other day who-s tong— child in the paper the other day who's long collapsed because het— who's long collapsed because he-t—thei he'd vaped so much. and the prohiem —you- he'd vaped so much. and the. prohiem —you-to problem with vaping you can do it—ton-t— problem with vaping you can do it—ton-t howe- problem with vaping you can do it_don't have the| it anywhere. you don't have the poems— it anywhere. you don't have the porents ooh-t— it anywhere. you don't have the parents can't smell kids are parents can't smell it. kids are going— parents can't smell it. kids are doing-classrooms,- parents can't smell it. kids are doing classrooms, doing doing it in classrooms, doing it in roots— doing it in classrooms, doing it in toiiets . — doing it in classrooms, doing it in toilets . also— doing it in classrooms, doing it in toilets . also on- doing it in classrooms, doing it in toilets . i“ - in toilets. also on the tube i'm sure on the tube indoors in some places. and also there was a stuty— places. and also there was a stuty tone— places. and also there was a study done that— i and also there was a study done that actually showed thot— study done that actually showed hot you— study done that actually showed hot you oon— study done that actually showed that you can not— study done that actually showed that you can not tell how many eguiwoient— that you can not tell how many equivalent cigarette use you'd be equivalent cigarette use you'd to smoking— equivalent cigarette use you'd to smoking ii— equivalent cigarette use you'd be smoking if you're vaping, there— be smoking if you're vaping, there is— be smoking if you're vaping, there is no— be smoking if you're vaping, there is no control over the puiis— there is no control over the puiis .— there is no control over the puiis . ari— there is no control over the puiis . aii you— there is no control over the puffs . all you do is this little puffs. all you do is this little oiip— puffs. all you do is this little oiip on— puffs. all you do is this little oiip on thot— puffs. all you do is this little clip on that you— puffs. all you do is this little clip on that you that you enter in ont— clip on that you that you enter in mi then— clip on that you that you enter in and then once— clip on that you that you enter in and then once finishes, in and then once that finishes, you—i— in and then once that finishes, you—i think- in and then once that finishes, you—i think it's. you don't know. i think it's whoi— you don't know. i think it's what, tite— you don't know. i think it's what, like one— you don't know. i think it's what, like one of those mills is tite— what, like one of those mills is like equivalent— what, like one of those mills is like equivalent to _ what, like one of those mills is like equivalent to like 40. ihot-s— like equivalent to like 40. mos right.— like equivalent to like 40. that's right. it's ridiculous. its— that's right. it's ridiculous. its too— that's right. it's ridiculous. it's too much. _ that's right. it's ridiculous. it's too much. ' “t: that's right. it's ridiculous. it's too much. '“t: that's right. it's ridiculous. it's too much. “t: that's right. it's ridiculous. it's too much. ' “t: it's too much. and what is the tax implications? because we tax people, we smoke what is what is a pack of cigarettes now? 14 or £15, something like that.

£15, 17, something like that. yeah. yeah. we're not even we're not we're not even taxing this. we're giving away yeah. it is giving them away. yeah. it is creating the next g , “t; / it is creating the next generation t: . “t: / it is creating the next generation of niootine— creating the next generation of nicotine addicts— creating the next generation of nicotine addicts and it's all very— nicotine addicts and it's all very weit— nicotine addicts and it's all very weit to— nicotine addicts and it's all very well to say,- nicotine addicts and it's all very well to say, well, it's hotter— very well to say, well, it'si better—well, better than smoking. well, there-s— better than smoking. well,l there's—better there's a lot of things better thon— there's a lot of things better than smoking.— there's a lot of things better than smoking. but replacing one ottiotion— addiction with another is not the—nicotine. the solution. the nicotine is a drug.— the solution. the nicotine is a trug-eiieot- the solution. the nicotine is a drug. _effect on- the solution. the nicotine is a drug. _effect on a. drug. it has an effect on a ohiit-s— drug. it has an effect on a child's brain— drug. it has an effect on a child's brain .— drug. it has an effect on a child's brain . and they're all child's brain. and they're all its— child's brain. and they're all its-.— child's brain. and they're all it-s-. weit- child's brain. and they're all it's-. well done. i child's brain. and they're all. it's-. well done. well it's terrible. well done. well done — it's terrible. well done. well tone. the— it's terrible. well done. well done. the mirror. _ it's terrible. well done. well done. the mirror. well done. 13. and that is the law being broken by those local shops. they won't be course. yeah. be prosecuted, of course. yeah. bushra emma watson has marked her sort— bushra emma watson has marked her 33rd birthday— bushra emma watson has marked her 33rd birthday by revealing how— her 33rd birthday by revealing how profoundly— her 33rd birthday by revealing how profoundly the planet saturn has influenced _ how profoundly the planet saturn has influenced her— how profoundly the planet saturn has influenced her life. “is has influenced her life. yes, she— has influenced her life. yes, she hos— has influenced her life. yes, she has gained— has influenced her life. yes, she has gained a— has influenced her life. yes, she has gained a lot- has influenced her life. yes, she has gained a lot of where she's gone slightly mad . well, she's gone slightly mad. well, we were just we were speaking about this earlier as well and saying how maybe she thought a little bit of hermione kind of harry potter. harry harry potter's magic has kind of seeped into her life. but seeped into her real life. but you know, it's interesting because there is a huge following with astrology and star signs in this country. people love going to psychics. they want to have this like

warmth about something bigger than the earth that connectivity somewhere you know, in space, because space is, you know , a because space is, you know, a place that we still don't know what saturn influenced her. then what's it done to her? well opporentiy— then what's it done to her? well apparently happens that apparently what happens is that it it sort— apparently what happens is that it it sort oi— apparently what happens is that it it sort of does— apparently what happens is that it it sort of does a— apparently what happens is that it it sort of does a lifespan , it it sort of does a lifespan, so it— it it sort of does a lifespan, so it circulates. - it it sort of does a lifespan, so it circulates. ' “t: so it circulates. and whether that's ten years, 20 years or 30 years, but it has to be in line with a particular birthday. so for hers, it was on her 29th birthday. and when that happen , birthday. and when that happen, she said amazing things happen to her in her life, you know, so lots of positive things happen. however for adele had the same experience, but with saturn, but the total opposite happened to her. she went through a divorce. so you know, with these things, you can't tell whether it's going to have a positive effect because to be honest, this is pretentious nonsense. let's be completely pretentious nonsense. let's be oompieteiy—iustl completely honest. it's just nonsense . completely honest. it's just- nonsense . showbiz woo woo! yeah, nonsense. showbiz woo woo! yeah, i would call it she's away with the fairies. that woman. yeah. and not surprising , would and it's not surprising, i would say, sort cynical say, on a sort of cynical scientific riposte that someone

in their late 20 seconds about to turn 30. we all eaters their lifestyle tries new things, gives up old things, and perhaps that's not because saturn has returned to the coordinates it was in on the day of your birth when she got the part of hermione in harry potter. where was saturn, then, i “ where was saturn, then, i wonder? in the— was saturn, then, i wonder? in the orbit — was saturn, then, i wonder? in the orbit. was— was saturn, then, i wonder? in the orbit. was it— was saturn, then, i wonder? in the orbit. was it anywhere near heri— the orbit. was it anywhere near hero-tite— the orbit. was it anywhere near her?-like five,- the orbit. was it anywhere near her?-like five, 5- the orbit. was it anywhere near her?-like five, 5 or. her? probably like five, 5 or io— her? probably like five, 5 or it iteoity— her? probably like five, 5 or 10. really-her- her? probably like five, 5 or 10. really her life, 10. really changed her life, tithi— 10. really changed her life, tight-teoh- 10. really changed her life,j didn't-yeah, true. 10. really changed her life,- didn't-yeah, true. but didn't it? yeah yeah, true. but i've got something in i've got something to add in this, obviously muslim this, so obviously i'm muslim and in islam, yeah, we believe that perfect age of heaven that the perfect age of heaven for human beings will the for human beings will be 33. the perfect age of heaven. yeah. so. so the age everyone will be in heaven will be the age of 33. in the best. you mean like that's pari— the best. you mean like that's port oi— the best. you mean like that's port oi hie— the best. you mean like that's port oi the i — the best. you mean like that's part of life ? that's- the best. you mean like that's part of life ? that's as- you mean like that's part of life ? g: part of life? that's as good as you're going to get. it's the. it's the. it's the momentous part of any being. give part of any human being. give up your it's so your 33, then it's 33. so everybody their everybody will look in their physical best hell at zelenskyy makes sense. somewhere i'm hoping it does because you're not too young, you know, you've got all information to hand, got all the information to hand, you've got experience, you've got go for your 33. so

got years to go for your 33. so when are you going to- git. gti i 33 so when are you going to the when are you going to get the host— when are you going to get the host-oi— when are you going to get the host-oi-soo - when are you going to get the best-of-30? that'sl best out of your 30? that's thot-s— best out of your 30? that's thot-s o— best out of your 30? that's that's a classic patriarchal religion right because at religion right there because at 33, after young religion right there because at 33, kids, after young religion right there because at 33, kids, and after young religion right there because at 33, kids, and you'reer young religion right there because at 33, kids, and you're knackered kids, kids, and you're knackered . only the men in in religion wouit— . only the men in in religion wouit-thot— . only the men in in religion would-that.was.- only the men in in religion would that was. what would think that 33 was. what _wosior— would think that 33 was. what wos-ior-ot- was life like for you at 30? weit.— was life like for you at 30? wet i— was life like for you at 30? wet i wo— was life like for you at 30? well, i was going- was life like for you at 30? well, i was going to- was life like for you at 30? well, i was going to say that it was quite, quite was actually quite, quite stressful because having having children. yeah, very career orientated. i was going to say, i from my childhood i remember from my childhood a series , you might remember it, series, you might remember it, andrew called logan's run where they killed everyone off at 32. i think you're right. so they didn't even get— i think you're right. so they didn't even get to- i think you're right. so they didn't even get to 30- ig“. so they didn't even get to 30 blossom at so. — didn't even get to 30 blossom at so. so— didn't even get to 30 blossom at so. so eeoryne— didn't even get to 30 blossom at 33. so everyone who- didn't even get to 30 blossom at 33. so everyone who was the wrong side. so called a 30, went, went awol . so are you went, went awol. so are you tepresset — went, went awol. so are you depressed that— went, went awol. so are you depressed that your- "sio so are you depressed that your best years are depressed that your best years hehint— depressed that your best years are behind you?— depressed that your best years are behind you? no i'm not. heoouse. you — are behind you? no i'm not. because, you know,- are behind you? no i'm not. because, you know, we're all going to age, aren't we? and we've got accept the fact we've got to accept the fact that, know, as older, that, you know, as we get older, our health isn't always going to be the best. we've got to keep maintaining ourselves. that's just but just a part of life. yeah, but i was was as older, i do. was i was as i get older, i do. i think people peak at different ages peak. you ages for sure. people peak. you haven't kind haven't peaked. i can kind too hint.— haven't peaked. i can kind too kind-ii— haven't peaked. i can kind too kind-ii oon— haven't peaked. i can kind too kind.ii can tell.— haven't peaked. i can kind too kind. i“ patrick kind. ican tell. patrick oertoiniy— kind. ican tell. patrick certainly hasn't-

kind. i“ patrick certainly hasn't peaked. kind. ican tell. patrick- certainly hasn't peaked. i'm in my -— certainly hasn't peaked. i'm in my . iirime a— certainly hasn't peaked. i'm in my. prime a bit— certainly hasn't peaked. i'm in my. prime a bit of— certainly hasn't peaked. i'm in my. prime a bit of a- certainly hasn't peaked. “ 37�*i a bit of a slight my. prime a bit of a slight ohonge— my. prime a bit of a slight ohonge oi— my. prime a bit of a slight change of gear. _ 37�*i a bit of a slight change of gear. patrick so we've teen— change of gear. patrick so we've been rotting— change of gear. patrick so we've been toiting o— change of gear. patrick so we've been talking a lot— change of gear. patrick so we've been talking a lot at the time otour— been talking a lot at the time about sending— been talking a lot at the time about sending britain's illegal migronts— about sending britain's illegal migrants, asylum seekers to itwonto— migrants, asylum seekers to rwanda, where _ migrants, asylum seekers to rwanda, where rwanda have now soiot— rwanda, where rwanda have now an, we— rwanda, where rwanda have now an, we howen-t— rwanda, where rwanda have now said, we haven't got any space for said, we haven't got any space ior them. — said, we haven't got any space for them. got— said, we haven't got any space for them. got on— said, we haven't got any space for them. got on the- said, we haven't got any space for them. i; / for them. got on the plane. yeah so this is for them. got on the plane. yeah so this is the— for them. got on the plane. yeah so this is the opposition- for them. - / so this is the opposition party teoter. — so this is the opposition party teoter. weit— so this is the opposition party leader. well, he— so this is the opposition party leader. well, he would say in itwonto— leader. well, he would say in iowonto .— leader. well, he would say in iowonto . i— leader. well, he would say in rwanda , i think— leader. well, he would say in rwanda , i think it's a she, rwanda, i think it's a she, ootuoiiy— rwanda, i think it's a she, actually. victoire ingabire umuhozo— actually. victoire ingabire umuhoza see— actually. victoire ingabire umuhoza see my mastery of not oniy— umuhoza see my mastery of not oniy worsh— umuhoza see my mastery of not onty weish i— umuhoza see my mastery of not onty wetsh. i get— umuhoza see my mastery of not only welsh, i get wrong but but this— only welsh, i get wrong but but this is— only welsh, i get wrong but but this is interesting— only welsh, i get wrong but but this is interesting to me heoouse— this is interesting to me because if— this is interesting to me because if the - this is interesting to me because if the opposition party in itwonto— because if the opposition party in iowonto is— because if the opposition party in rwanda is saying effectively, if in rwanda is saying effectively, ii we— in rwanda is saying effectively, ii we tote— in rwanda is saying effectively, if we take power,— in rwanda is saying effectively, if we take power, we're dropping the ohm— if we take power, we're dropping the ohm .— if we take power, we're dropping the scheme , that— if we take power, we're dropping the scheme , that just shows the the scheme, that just shows the irogiiity— the scheme, that just shows the irogiiity oi— the scheme, that just shows the fragility of farming out your itiegoi— fragility of farming out your illegal immigration problem to mother— illegal immigration problem to another country. _ illegal immigration problem to another country. right? so i've oiwoys— another country. right? so i've otwoys thought— another country. right? so i've always thought what we should be going— always thought what we should be toing is— always thought what we should be doing is building— always thought what we should be doing is building a— always thought what we should be doing is building a big offshore oenret— doing is building a big offshore centre on ascension island, whioh— centre on ascension island, whioh is— centre on ascension island, whioh is ut— centre on ascension island, which is uk sovereignty with no resident— which is uk sovereignty with no resident population other than peopie— resident population other than peopieworting— resident population other than people working on british and amerioon— people working on british and american bases.— people working on british and american bases. brilliant idea. ant— american bases. brilliant idea. ant we— american bases. brilliant idea. ant we wouit— american bases. brilliant idea. and we would be— american bases. brilliant idea. and we would be in firm control

thot— and we would be in firm control thot woy. — and we would be in firm control thot woy. rm— and we would be in firm control that way. i'm told— and we would be in firm control that way. i'm told the treasury hos— that way. i'm told the treasury hos ruiet— that way. i'm told the treasury hos ruiet it— that way. i'm told the treasury has ruled it out— that way. i'm told the treasury has ruled it out because they ton-t— has ruled it out because they ton-t wont— has ruled it out because they ton-t wont to— has ruled it out because they don't want to invest in a large desalination— don't want to invest in a large desalination plant to increase the woior— desalination plant to increase the woter suppiy— desalination plant to increase the water supply . very good the water supply. very good iteo. — the water supply. very good iteo. it— the water supply. very good iteo. it is— the water supply. very good idea. it is a— the water supply. very good idea. it is a very- the water supply. very good idea. . ttiig g: the water supply. very good idea. . g: : idea. it is a very good idea. the runway is a— idea. it is a very good idea. the runway is a bit- idea. . g: : the runway is a bit dodgy in asomion— the runway is a bit dodgy in ascension island. that's a prohiem. — ascension island. that's a problem. .that- ascension island. that's a problem. .that if- ascension island. that's a problem. �*" problem. if that if that government in they kick government gets in and they kick out have our out our plan, can we have our money probably not, no. money back? probably not, no. right. we've come to the of right. we've come to the end of our today. patrick and our show today. patrick and bushra, so much. bushra, thank you so much. coming news live coming up next, gb news live with longhurst. to with mark longhurst. this is to the me. bev turner the point with me. bev turner and pierce. we'll be back and andrew pierce. we'll be back tomorrow de—man .

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