away . away.- | millions away.- l millions of away. millions of youngsters loathe the very . millions of youngsters loathe the very word— . millions of youngsters loathe the very word maths— - millions of youngsters loathe the very word maths ._ millions of youngsters loathe the very word maths . our the very word maths. our academic— the very word maths. our academic prime minister has decided— academic prime minister has decided that— academic prime minister has decided that everyone must do it unm— decided that everyone must do it unti the— decided that everyone must do it end the age— decided that everyone must do it until the age of— decided that everyone must do it until the age of 18.— decided that everyone must do it until the age of 18. we'll eieeuee— until the age of 18. we'll discuss whether this is a good idea— discuss whether this is a good idea .— discuss whether this is a good idea . wen— discuss whether this is a good idea . we'll also— discuss whether this is a good idea . we'll also look at the idea. we'll also look at the fee— idea. we'll also look at the fee that— idea. we'll also look at the fact that 10%_ idea. we'll also look at the fact that 10% of— idea. we'll also look at the fact that 10% of our motorways are fact that 10% of our motorways to — fact that 10% of our motorways to remain— fact that 10% of our motorways are to remain so—called smart motorways— are to remain so—called smart motorways .— are to remain so—called smart meterweye . eut— are to remain so—called smart motorways . but does the motorways. but does the government— motorways. but does the government possibly leave itself oper— government possibly leave itself eper ter— government possibly leave itself open to tegot— government possibly leave itself open for legal challenge .7 and open for legal challenge? and i'll open for legal challenge? and ttt te— open for legal challenge? and ttt te iotret— open for legal challenge? and i'll be joined down the line by the totter— i'll be joined down the line by the trainer of— i'll be joined down the line by the trainer of hill— i'll be joined down the line by the trainer of hill sixteen , the the trainer of hill sixteen, the horse— the trainer of hill sixteen, the horse trot— the trainer of hill sixteen, the horse that fell— the trainer of hill sixteen, the horse that fell badly at the trot— horse that fell badly at the ttret ot— horse that fell badly at the first at aintree_ horse that fell badly at the first at aintree on saturday and

euteeouertty— first at aintree on saturday and subsequently had— first at aintree on saturday and subsequently had to be put down. i subsequently had to be put down. . wttt— subsequently had to be put down. . wttt tet— subsequently had to be put down. i will ask tonight,— subsequently had to be put down. i will ask tonight, did animal ttetrg— i will ask tonight, did animal rising directly— i will ask tonight, did animal rising directly cause the death of rising directly cause the death ot trot— rising directly cause the death of that horse _ rising directly cause the death of that horse ?_ rising directly cause the death of that horse ? that and much of that horse? that and much eut— of that horse? that and much more. but first,— of that horse? that and much more. but first, let's get the wttt— more. but first, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . news with tatiana sanchez. ttget— news with tatiana sanchez. ttget. tttnt— news with tatiana sanchez. nigel, thank you. _ news with tatiana sanchez. nigel, thank you. this- news with tatiana sanchez. nigel, thank you. this is- news with tatiana sanchez. nigel, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom rishi sunak is under investigation by parliament. s ethics watchdog over a possible failure to declare an interest. downing street says the inquiry is over claims he failed to tell mps his wife might benefit from a major measure announced in last month's budget . she holds last month's budget. she holds shares in crooked , a child care shares in crooked, a child care agency likely to gain financially from a drive to recruit more childminders . as recruit more childminders. as number 10, says the prime minister will clarify how it was declared as a ministerial interest rather than to than to the commons as meanwhile, mr sunak has accepted the uk doesn't have enough teachers to

deliver on his ambition to improve children's numeracy skills. he says an anti maths mindset is costing the uk economy tens of billions of pounds every year and wants to ensure the subject is studied by all students in england up to the age of 18. the uk is one of the age of 18. the uk is one of the least numerate countries in the least numerate countries in the developed world, more than 8 million adults have numeracy skills below those expected of a nine year old and around a third of our young people don't pass maths gcse. we make jokes about not being— maths gcse. we make jokes about not better otte— maths gcse. we make jokes about not being able to— maths gcse. we make jokes about not being able to do— [11253 we make jokes about not being able to do maths . it's not being able to do maths. it's eoetotty— not being able to do maths. it's socially acceptable— not being able to do maths. it's socially acceptable . we say socially acceptable. we say tttree— socially acceptable. we say tttrge ute— socially acceptable. we say things like, oh _ socially acceptable. we say things like, oh ,_ socially acceptable. we say things like, oh , maths, i can't things like, oh, maths, i can't do things like, oh, maths, i can't to trot.— things like, oh, maths, i can't to that. rte— things like, oh, maths, i can't do that. it's not— things like, oh, maths, i can't do that. it's not for me. and eeryone— do that. it's not for me. and everyone laughs,— do that. it's not for me. and everyone laughs, but we never more— everyone laughs, but we never note o— everyone laughs, but we never note o joke— everyone laughs, but we never make a joke like— everyone laughs, but we never make a joke like that about not tene— make a joke like that about not tetne otte— make a joke like that about not being otte to— make a joke like that about not being able to read. \t g: being able to read. nhs england has said nearly 200,000 hospital appointments and procedures had to be rescheduled due to the strike by junior doctors this month. it includes people who were waiting for operations and other treatments, as well as

scans and follow up appointments. tens of thousands of workers staged a 96 hour strike in a dispute over pay between april 11th and 15th. it comes as the prime minister admitted it will be a challenge to cut nhs waiting times because of industrial action. while also adding that he remains hopeful all wait times can ultimately be cut . more than 5000 people have cut. more than 5000 people have crossed the english channel in small boats this year. gb news can reveal around 120 people have arrived today with three small boats intercepted by uk authorities . it's after a surge authorities. it's after a surge in small boat crossings as criminal people smuggling gangs take advantage of better weather conditions . a french court has conditions. a french court has cleared european planemaker airbus and air france of involuntary manslaughter nearly 14 years after a plane travelling from brazil to france crashed into the atlantic ocean. the trial was france's first ever for corporate manslaughter

, with both firms pleading not guilty. it found several acts of negligence by both companies . negligence by both companies. but that wasn't enough for liability for the crash to hundred and 28 people lost their lives on the flight travelling from rio de janeiro to paris in june 2009 . tv online dab+ radio june 2009. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. you're with gb news. now it's back to . news. now it's back to. nigel good evening. talk about a news. now it's back to. nigel good well, ng. talk about a news. now it's back to. nigel good well, of. talk about a news. now it's back to. nigel good well, of course bout a news. now it's back to. nigel good well, of course ,out a news. now it's back to. nigel good well, of course , he a of touch. well, of course, he tne— of touch. well, of course, he was the head— of touch. well, of course, he was the head boy- of touch. well, of course, he was the head boy at winchester . was the head boy at winchester. he went— was the head boy at winchester. ne went-to— was the head boy at winchester. ne nentlto to— was the head boy at winchester. he went to do incredibly well he went on to do incredibly well at nntveretty— he went on to do incredibly well at university and— he went on to do incredibly well at university and he is an oeotente— at university and he is an academic and— at university and he is an academic and i- at university and he is an academic and i think completely out ot— academic and i think completely out ot tonen— academic and i think completely out of touch with— academic and i think completely out of touch with the fact that nttttone— out of touch with the fact that nttttone ot— out of touch with the fact that millions of young— out of touch with the fact that millions of young people loathe the millions of young people loathe tne very— millions of young people loathe tne very vort— millions of young people loathe the very word maths. it just

turne— the very word maths. it just tnrne tnen— the very word maths. it just turns them off— the very word maths. it just turns them off immediately. so the turns them off immediately. so tne tteo— turns them off immediately. so tne tteo tney— turns them off immediately. so the idea they should all do nette— the idea they should all do maths until— the idea they should all do maths until the— the idea they should all do maths until the age of 18, i, i tntnt— maths until the age of 18, i, i tntnt te— maths until the age of 18, i, i think is frankly— maths until the age of 18, i, i think is frankly bonkers. after all, think is frankly bonkers. after an, rt— think is frankly bonkers. after an, tt tney-re— think is frankly bonkers. after all, if they're not— think is frankly bonkers. after all, if they're not doing very vett— all, if they're not doing very vett ot— all, if they're not doing very well at maths— all, if they're not doing very well at maths at— all, if they're not doing very well at maths at 16, what on eonn— well at maths at 16, what on eonn notes— well at maths at 16, what on earth makes you— well at maths at 16, what on earth makes you think there'll be ony— earth makes you think there'll be any better— earth makes you think there'll be any better at— earth makes you think there'll be any better at it by the age of be any better at it by the age ot toe— be any better at it by the age ot tee ._ be any better at it by the age of 18? i know— be any better at it by the age of 18? i know it'll— be any better at it by the age of 18? i know it'll lead to mass truancy— of 18? i know it'll lead to mass trnoney tn— of 18? i know it'll lead to mass trnoney tn ny— of 18? i know it'll lead to mass truancy in my opinion. now when he truancy in my opinion. now when ne tottet— truancy in my opinion. now when he talked about— truancy in my opinion. now when he talked about the fact that peoote— he talked about the fact that people neet— he talked about the fact that people need life— he talked about the fact that people need life skills after eenoot— people need life skills after eenoot ont— people need life skills after school and that— people need life skills after school and that if you're not numerate , you're- school and that if you're not numerate , you're at a numerate, you're at a disadvantage. well, i agree with him disadvantage. well, i agree with ntn ttere— disadvantage. well, i agree with him there. absolutely. and i tntnt— him there. absolutely. and i think learning— him there. absolutely. and i think learning the basics, being ete , ._ think learning the basics, being numerate , i think— think learning the basics, being numerate , i think those things numerate, i think those things are numerate, i think those things very— numerate, i think those things are very important . when he are very important. when he tottet— are very important. when he talked about— are very important. when he talked about mortgages and tntereet— talked about mortgages and interest rates— talked about mortgages and interest rates and all of that, well,— interest rates and all of that, vett, tnot— interest rates and all of that, well, that could— interest rates and all of that, well, that could be taught as tne— well, that could be taught as ttte etttte— well, that could be taught as life skills at— well, that could be taught as life skills at school. just get tne— life skills at school. just get tne vort— life skills at school. just get the word maths— life skills at school. just get the word maths out of it because oeoote— the word maths out of it because people tntnt— the word maths out of it because people think immediately of onetrotte— people think immediately of quadratic equations or pie or vnotever— quadratic equations or pie or whatever else— quadratic equations or pie or whatever else it— quadratic equations or pie or whatever else it may be. and tnen— whatever else it may be. and tnen tney-re — whatever else it may be. and then they're never going to use not— then they're never going to use tnot stutt— then they're never going to use tnot etntt tn— then they're never going to use that stuff in the— then they're never going to use that stuff in the whole of their ttvee. — that stuff in the whole of their ttvee. ._ that stuff in the whole of their lives. i think— that stuff in the whole of their lives. i think a— that stuff in the whole of their lives. i think a lot— that stuff in the whole of their lives. i think a lot more voeotton— lives. i think a lot more vocation training actually might be e— vocation training actually might

be e better— vocation training actually might be a better idea— vocation training actually might be a better idea for 16 to 18 eeeonet— be a better idea for 16 to 18 seconds than— be a better idea for 16 to 18 seconds than going on doing nette— seconds than going on doing notne. so— seconds than going on doing notne. so ._ seconds than going on doing maths. so i think the prime ntnteter— maths. so i think the prime ntnteter te— maths. so i think the prime minister is hopelessly , minister is hopelessly, eonotetety— minister is hopelessly, completely out of touch on this vett,— completely out of touch on this issue. well, tell— completely out of touch on this issue. well, tell me what you tntnt.— issue. well, tell me what you tntnt. vou— issue. well, tell me what you think. you know,— issue. well, tell me what you think. you know, tell me, is it a think. you know, tell me, is it o gooe— think. you know, tell me, is it o good teete— think. you know, tell me, is it a good idea? let— think. you know, tell me, is it a good idea? let me know what you— a good idea? let me know what you tntnt.— a good idea? let me know what you tntnt. troo— a good idea? let me know what you think. erg farage at gb news tot.— you think. erg farage at gb news on nov— you think. erg farage at gb news on nov tn— you think. erg farage at gb news .uk. now i'm joined— you think. erg farage at gb news .uk. now i'm joined by lord tennetn— .uk. now i'm joined by lord kenneth baker,— .uk. now i'm joined by lord kenneth baker, former education secretory— kenneth baker, former education secretory ont— kenneth baker, former education secretary and something of a reformer, because in your time big— reformer, because in your time big tntnee— reformer, because in your time some big things happened . yeah, some big things happened. yeah, the introduction— some big things happened. yeah, the introduction of— some big things happened. yeah, the introduction of the national enrnennnt— the introduction of the national curriculum and— the introduction of the national curriculum and of— the introduction of the national curriculum and of course , the curriculum and of course, the neon;— curriculum and of course, the merging ot— curriculum and of course, the merging ot tne— curriculum and of course, the merging of the old o—level and esc— merging of the old o—level and csc eoneet — merging of the old o—level and csc correct. into— merging of the old o—level and csc correct. into absolutely rtgnt. — csc correct. into absolutely nont- tne— csc correct. into absolutely right. the gcse,_ csc correct. into absolutely right. the gcse, all of that . right. the gcse, all of that. ant— right. the gcse, all of that. ant oe— right. the gcse, all of that. ant to o— right. the gcse, all of that. and as a reformer, you had quite totttee— and as a reformer, you had quite some battles with— and as a reformer, you had quite some battles with the unions . some battles with the unions. yes:— some battles with the unions. tee, .— some battles with the unions. yes, i remember.— some battles with the unions. yes, i remember. and getting enonge— yes, i remember. and getting enonge ot— yes, i remember. and getting enonge ot ony— yes, i remember. and getting change of any kind is difficult . wnot— change of any kind is difficult . vvnot te— change of any kind is difficult . what is rishi— change of any kind is difficult . what is rishi sunak trying to do . what is rishi sunak trying to to teen — . what is rishi sunak trying to to teen .— . what is rishi sunak trying to do here? i think— . what is rishi sunak trying to do here? my“ do here? i think what rishi sunak should be doing is talking about number, not maths . about number, not maths. children should be leaving school who innumerate understand number otherwise the disadvantage now in the schools

i'm promoting a university technical colleges. some youngsters want to do a—level maths because they're going on to university or engineering, which is fine. but most don't. we have core maths , which is we have core maths, which is half the level of an a—level, and this deals with the number. it it makes it practical because children at 18 must be numerate. now you, i think, worked as a as a dealer in mr farage. now you knew about numbers, you knew about margins , you knew about about margins, you knew about profits, you knew what the figures were. now, children ought to leave like that knowing about number. so it in fact, the i did, as you mentioned, quadratic equations and simultaneous equations for the predecessor of the gcse called the school certificate 600 years ago. and i've never used them since . and when it came to since. and when it came to trigonometry , you know, a circle trigonometry, you know, a circle you had to learn that the diameter of a circle, if you multiplied it by the irrational number 3.11 pi gave you the

consumption, the circumference . consumption, the circumference. lovely thing to know . i've never lovely thing to know. i've never used it in my life . i've never used it in my life. i've never had to use it. but i have had to know about margins. i was a businessman. i had to know what the margin was of profit. if for example, you're a greengrocer and you buy five bananas for a pound and you ought accountant tells you you've got to get 50% profit, what do you charge for your bananas? so we're not talking here about mathematics. kenneth bacon we're talking here about—vorte- about life skills. you're totttne— about life skills. you're talking _life| about life skills. you're- talking _life skills talking about total life skills ont— talking about total life skills ant-te— talking about total life skills ant-te-ny- talking about total life skills and is my skills, my and that is what my skills, my eenoote— and that is what my skills, my eenoote gtve— and that is what my skills, my schools give to— and that is what my skills, my schools give to youngsters at 18 vnen— schools give to youngsters at 18 vnen tney— schools give to youngsters at 18 when they leave. _ schools give to youngsters at 18 when they leave. orzrwy schools give to youngsters at 18 when they leave. \t:::trt schools give to youngsters at 18 when they leave. ttittt git when they leave. now, you've got a series free schools that a series of free schools that you're charge free you're in charge of. free schools. > 20,000 schools. 44. yes > 20,000 students. yes. and we give them vocational training and skills training. they were going training. and they were going into numbered world. whatever into a numbered world. whatever they're going to do, they're going to use numbers. and they've got understand they've got to understand margins percentages. just as margins and percentages. just as you a trader when you you did as a trader when you were the exchanges, were trading on the exchanges, you know margins and you had to know your margins and your percentages . if you did it your percentages. if you did it by neon,— your percentages. if you did it by neon, vett,— your percentages. if you did it by heart, well, you— ” ”trig if you did it by heart, well, you wouldn't teet— by heart, well, you wouldn't toot-tnot— by heart, well, you wouldn't last-that long.- by heart, well, you wouldn't

last that long. you last all that long. so you tron-t— last all that long. so you tttn-t-to- last all that long. so you. didn't-do equation. last all that long. so you- didn't-do equation. you didn't have to do equation. you got on— didn't have to do equation. you got on equator.— didn't have to do equation. you got an equation, man,- didn't have to do equation. you got an equation, man, your results. man. no no, no, no, no, tntt-s— results. man. no no, no, no, no, no, no. that's absolutely true for me. but when you talk about the you're involved the schools that you're involved with and you talk about vocal national training, practical training that people can use after words, i don't hear that being talked about in westminster at all. that's the trouble. it's as if the blair doctrine, which the conservative party went along with , that we party went along with, that we had to up the number of people that went to university. yes. yes almost for the sake of it. yeah, i agree . at the expense yeah, i agree. at the expense i mean, i you know, i know people in the engineering sectors, for example, and look at nursing where to where we literally have to import abroad. correct. import from abroad. correct. all of that. look in my all of that. now look in my eenoote— all of that. now look in my schools, 25%_ all of that. now look in my schools, 25% of— all of that. now look in my schools, 25% of our students come apprentices, 25% of our ooprentteee— come apprentices, 25% of our apprentices, 50%— come apprentices, 25% of our apprentices, 50% go to nntveretty— apprentices, 50% go to university to - apprentices, 50% go to university to do stem subject onty— university to do stem subject onty sten— university to do stem subject only stem subjects. practical entieete. — only stem subjects. practical entieete. tne— only stem subjects. practical subjects. the rest get local tote— subjects. the rest get local tote .— subjects. the rest get local tote . so— subjects. the rest get local tote . so oe— subjects. the rest get local tote . so to o— subjects. the rest get local jobs . so as a result, we have jobs. so as a result, we have ot— jobs. so as a result, we have ot tne— jobs. so as a result, we have some of the most- jobs. so as a result, we have some of the most successful eenoote— some of the most successful eenoote tn— some of the most successful schools in the— some of the most successful schools in the country. we train tnen — schools in the country. we train tnen tor— schools in the country. we train tnen tor tne— schools in the country. we train them for the job— schools in the country. we train them for the job market, and

note— them for the job market, and note vnot— them for the job market, and that's what is— them for the job market, and that's what is missing from the eenoote— that's what is missing from the eenoote totoy— that's what is missing from the schools today .— that's what is missing from the schools today . they the academic schools today. they the academic enntennrnt — schools today. they the academic curriculum that— schools today. they the academic curriculum that was— schools today. they the academic curriculum that was imposed by cove— curriculum that was imposed by cove te— curriculum that was imposed by cove te tor— curriculum that was imposed by gove is far too— curriculum that was imposed by gove is far too academic. oh ennt— gove is far too academic. oh eight academic— gove is far too academic. oh eight academic subjects, nothing oroetteot— eight academic subjects, nothing oroetteot te— eight academic subjects, nothing practical is taught. we don't oetnotty— practical is taught. we don't actually teach— practical is taught. we don't actually teach children data actually teach our children data etttte— actually teach our children data etttte ot— actually teach our children data skills at school— actually teach our children data skills at school and data skills are absolutely— skills at school and data skills are absolutely necessary in this are absolutely necessary in this o nont— are absolutely necessary in this a one world artificial intelligence - a one world artificial intelligence world. you've got to understand _ intelligence world. you've got to understand it's about the tone— to understand it's about the prime minister— to understand it's about the prime minister talked about enongtng— prime minister talked about enonetng tne— prime minister talked about changing the culture. /tit changing the culture. you know, he changing the culture. you know, te says— changing the culture. you know, he says that. — changing the culture. you know, he says that, you know, that no one's embarrassed to say they're bad maths and it's this big bad at maths and it's this big drive for maths , but actually drive for maths, but actually the cultural change that's neededis the cultural change that's needed is the one that you talked about few moments ago. talked about a few moments ago. the change is that the cultural change is that rather than getting their rather than people getting their gcses, their a—levels and their degrees in social sciences and all having a jolly good three years, i'm sure that actually the cultural change that is neededisin the cultural change that is needed is in westminster to understand the importance of these life skills. how how do we get there? well, look, we have a cannee— get there? well, look, we have a cannee tn— get there? well, look, we have a cannee tn tne— get there? well, look, we have a chance in the next— gig “titifi’ well, look, we have a chance in the next election. taen— chance in the next election. taen party— chance in the next election. taen pany te— chance in the next election. each party is now going to think vnat— each party is now going to think vnat tt-e— each party is now going to think vnat tt-e gong— each party is now going to think what it's going to— each party is now going to think what it's going to say in its nantteeto— what it's going to say in its manifesto in— what it's going to say in its manifesto in 18— what it's going to say in its manifesto in 18 months time. and

i'm manifesto in 18 months time. and tn -oerenate— manifesto in 18 months time. and i'm -persuade the - i'm trying to persuade the conservative _ i'm trying to persuade the conservative be really conservative party be really ratteat. — conservative party be really ratteat—to- conservative party be really- radical._to abandon radical. they've got to abandon the academic— radical. they've got to abandon the academic curriculum in our eenoote— the academic curriculum in our eenoote ant— the academic curriculum in our schools and they've to bring schools and they've got to bring tact— schools and they've got to bring back-instruction _ schools and they've got to bring back instruction and back data instruction and oraetteat— back data instruction and practical studies in my eotteeee— practical studies in my colleges, 14- practical studies in my colleges, 14 year olds take two days— colleges, 14 year olds take two taye a— colleges, 14 year olds take two taye a veer— colleges, 14 year olds take two days a week making and designing tntnge— days a week making and designing tntnge vttn— days a week making and designing things with their— days a week making and designing things with their hands in vortenone— things with their hands in workshops and in laboratories, or tney— workshops and in laboratories, or tney go— workshops and in laboratories, or tney go ant— workshops and in laboratories, or they go and visit companies. tnat-e— or they go and visit companies. tnat-e-tney— or they go and visit companies. tnat-e-tney get— or they go and visit companies. that's they get jobs . that's why they get jobs. tney-re — that's why they get jobs. they're working for jobs and we teat— they're working for jobs and we teat vttn— they're working for jobs and we deal with lots— they're working for jobs and we deal with lots of— they're working for jobs and we deal with lots of disadvantaged entttren— deal with lots of disadvantaged entttren .— deal with lots of disadvantaged children . and— deal with lots of disadvantaged children . and we— deal with lots of disadvantaged children . and we do some children. and we also do some very— children. and we also do some very tngnt— children. and we also do some very bright children . and that's very bright children. and that's vnat—to- very bright children. and that's vnat—to ont- what has to happen to our etneatton. — what has to happen to our education. _this| what has to happen to our. education._this is what has to happen to our- education._this is a education. now, look, this is a nay-o— education. now, look, this is a nay-o tact— education. now, look, this is a nay-o tact tor— education. now, look, this is a major task for whoever wins the next— major task for whoever wins the next-to — major task for whoever wins the next-to enange- next election to change teennteat— next election to change technical education dramatically. it's needed in our eonntry— dramatically. it's needed in our country desperately and so i'm tn— country desperately and so i'm tn oreeetng— country desperately and so i'm tn oreeetng very— country desperately and so i'm i'm pressing very hard that the tones— i'm pressing very hard that the tories should— i'm pressing very hard that the tories should be— i'm pressing very hard that the tories should be radical. tit tories should be radical. do you tttnt— tories should be radical. do you tntnt ty— tories should be radical. do you tntnt ty ootng— tories should be radical. do you think by doing what you're doing, you're making school doing, that you're making school more more relevant more interesting, more relevant , exciting? yes. we don't , more exciting? yes. we don't get absenteeism. we take in some difficult children at fortune who are totally fed up with education, utterly fed up with education. but by using their hands , taking things, they use hands, taking things, they use tools for the first time in

their lives. they measure things accurately, metal, accurately, or plastic, accurately or wood accurately . they use machinery. accurately. they use machinery. it changes their attitude . it we it changes their attitude. it we don't have disruption in our schools. we hardly ever expel a member . we only expel a member. member. we only expel a member. they've actually hit a teacher. otherwise we cope with them. we change their attitudes. well, i'm going to come and- fg ” : well, i'm going to come and visit you. rteaee— i'm going to come and visit you. rteaee coe— i'm going to come and visit you. please come to— i'm going to come and visit you. please come to visit one. \tt'ft please come to visit one. no, tn — please come to visit one. no, tn gotng— please come to visit one. no, tn gotng to— please come to visit one. no, tn gotng to come— please come to visit one. no, i'm going to come with gb news and visit one of these schools and visit one of these schools and see how you do it. because i think what you're saying i find it actually quite inspiring. yes and baker, thank and very. kenneth baker, thank you indeed for coming you very much indeed for coming . i say. i went you very much indeed for coming . i say. iwent during . i should say. i went during the war, evacuated to southport to a primary school, an ordinary church of england primary school in class area. and we in a working class area. and we learned our time to times tables by chanting aloud . 113, two, by chanting aloud. 113, two, three, two, three, 2633. is a966 is or this nine nines are 82. 81, 81. sorry . yeah. yeah. close

81, 81. sorry. yeah. yeah. close that's why you were _ 81, 81. “4s?" “4s?" that's why you were coming to my eottege. — that's why you were coming to my eottege. t— that's why you were coming to my college. i better— that's why you were coming to my college. i better come back. kennett— college. i better come back. kenneth baker.— college. i better come back. kenneth baker. thank- college. i better come back. kenneth baker. thank you. only one big problem with kenneth baken one big problem with kenneth baker, and it's a major problem with what he sets out as a vision for the future and a really important vision for the future. he's i'm afraid i think he's a bit too long in the tooth to get the job as education secretary. unfortunate that is because i think we could do with what he's talking about. it's really , really important. will really, really important. will rishi listen? i don't rishi sunak listen? i don't think so. he seems to be absolutely hell bent on this academic idea that everyone does mathematics until the age of 18. i think it really is a very, very big mistake. i think it really is a very, very big mistake . that said, in very big mistake. that said, in a moment , very big mistake. that said, in a moment, what we're going to talk about is something that threatens people's lives and is killing people. it's the introduction of smart motorways . we were expecting a major announcement over the last few days government said days what the government said actually is they won't build any more, our motorways more, but 10% of our motorways are currently smart motorways . i are currently smart motorways. i don't think they're very smart. we'll look at that in just a

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of that bill, have that. brian, you're listening— of that bill, have that. brian, you're listening to— of that bill, have that. brian, you're listening to gb- ll brian, you're listening to gb news tatto— you're listening to gb news tatto .— you're listening to gb news tatto . so— radio. so why do we ever have eman— radio. so why do we ever have smart motorways? will e smart motorways? well, it's aetoatty— smart motorways? well, it's actually really rather simple, isn't it? the fact is there are more cars on the road because there are more people in the country . and when you think country. and when you think about it, our population has risen by 8 million since the year 2001. it means a lot more people are out there driving . i people are out there driving. i won't go into the reasons why the populations increased by 8 million. i i've been million. i think i've been through those many, many times before. so don't want to don't before. so i don't want to don't want distract from what want to distract from what i think is a very, very important subject. deeply subject. i've been deeply sceptical about these smart motorways myself . i've had motorways myself. i've had a couple of breakdowns over the years on the hard shoulder, a busy motorways, and let me tell you, even being on the hard

shoulder of a motorway is frightening. those guys that go out from the aa and rac . frightening. those guys that go out from the aa and rac. i frightening. those guys that go out from the aa and rac . i tell out from the aa and rac. i tell you what, they're brave people. it is even on the hard shoulder. it's dangerous, let alone being broken down in a lane with a wall next to it. and nowhere to go.theideais wall next to it. and nowhere to go. the idea is terrible. my other objection is with so—called smart motorways, there seems to be a camera for every couple of hundred yards. i mean, you don't. you don't look at the other cars on the road. you just literally stay glued to the speedometer as big brother watches every move you make. now, we were expecting a big announcement from this government and indeed , this is a government and indeed, this is a subject that rishi sunak talked about it when he ran to be conservative leader. what we got over the weekend , i think was over the weekend, i think was pretty pathetic. they tell us there'll be no new smart motorways. the 14 proposed projects will be shelved , but projects will be shelved, but the existing smart motorways

will remain and so i have to ask myself if it's not a good idea to extend the number of smart motorways us why is it a good idea to keep the existing ones and the existing ones are unbelievably be 10% of the motorway network in this country. well joining me , mike country. well joining me, mike rawson, campaigner for smart motorways, kill , which indeed motorways, kill, which indeed they do, don't they, mike? sadly, the exact number is not known — sadly, the exact number is not known rte— sadly, the exact number is not known. we don't— sadly, the exact number is not known. we don't know how many oeoote— known. we don't know how many people nave— known. we don't know how many people have suffered life enangtng— people have suffered life changing injuries us. but we do know— changing injuries us. but we do know to— changing injuries us. but we do know no a— changing injuries us. but we do know it's a lot— changing injuries us. but we do know it's a lot ,— changing injuries us. but we do know it's a lot , right? and what know it's a lot, right? and what we ateo— know it's a lot, right? and what we ateo know,— know it's a lot, right? and what we also know, nigel, is all tnoee— we also know, nigel, is all those deaths— we also know, nigel, is all those deaths were unnecessary teeanee— those deaths were unnecessary teeanee rt— those deaths were unnecessary because if the _ those deaths were unnecessary because if the government wanted to vtten — because if the government wanted to vtten tne — because if the government wanted to widen the motorway , that's to widen the motorway, that's fine — to widen the motorway, that's fine mate— to widen the motorway, that's fine ttate rt— to widen the motorway, that's fine. make it a— to widen the motorway, that's fine. make it a four lane notorvay— fine. make it a four lane notorvay ,— fine. make it a four lane motorway , but- fine. make it a four lane motorway , but put the hard motorway, but put the hard enontter— motorway, but put the hard shoulder back— motorway, but put the hard shoulder back .— motorway, but put the hard shoulder back . but of course it shoulder back. but of course it tone— shoulder back. but of course it tone to— shoulder back. but of course it was done to save— shoulder back. but of course it was done to save money. and at the was done to save money. and at tne ent— was done to save money. and at tne ent ot— was done to save money. and at tne ent ot tne— was done to save money. and at the end of the day— was done to save money. and at the end of the day ,— was done to save money. and at the end of the day , lives the end of the day, lives collateral— the end of the day, lives collateral damage. i suppose, to governnenet— collateral damage. i suppose, to

governments. but— collateral damage. i suppose, to governments. but very sad for all governments. but very sad for at tnoee— governments. but very sad for all those relatives and families left all those relatives and families tett tentnt. — all those relatives and families left behind. no— all those relatives and families left behind. no horrible . left behind. no horrible. so tney— left behind. no horrible. so they say— left behind. no horrible. so they say th(tyre— left behind. no horrible. so they say they're shelving 14 proposed projects. is that is that right ? as far as you know, that right? as far as you know, it's hard to be certain. no, they are certainly- l " no, they are certainly carrying on vttn— they are certainly carrying on on one— they are certainly carrying on with some of— they are certainly carrying on with some of them. but what i find— with some of them. but what i ttnt a— with some of them. but what i ttnt a ott— with some of them. but what i find a bit strange,— with some of them. but what i find a bit strange, nigel, is tne— find a bit strange, nigel, is tne rnne— find a bit strange, nigel, is the prime minister has said in potte— the prime minister has said in onttte ,— the prime minister has said in onttte , enan— the prime minister has said in public , smart motorways are public, smart motorways are nnaet— public, smart motorways are nnaet .— public, smart motorways are nncat . ant— public, smart motorways are unsafe . and that's just a pause unsafe. and that's just a pause for unsafe. and that's just a pause to a— unsafe. and that's just a pause to a eeot— unsafe. and that's just a pause for a second there. _ unsafe. and that's just a pause for a second there. 37” for a second there. so the prime minister has said smart motorways are unsafe and yet has decided to retain 10% of our motorways as unsafe . if that's motorways as unsafe. if that's the way i motorways as unsafe. if that's tne vay t cee— motorways as unsafe. if that's the way i see it— motorways as unsafe. if that's the way i see it now,- l. if that's the way i see it now, how can you— the way i see it now, how can yon ooccttty— the way i see it now, how can you possibly continue building, ttntcntng— you possibly continue building, finishing current— you possibly continue building, finishing current constructions in finishing current constructions tn toen— finishing current constructions tn tten ant— finishing current constructions in eden and knowledge that what yone— in eden and knowledge that what yone tnttttng— in eden and knowledge that what you're building is— in eden and knowledge that what you're building is ultimately nncatee— you're building is ultimately unsafe? they— you're building is ultimately unsafe? they say there are no more constructions to happen,

tot— more constructions to happen, tot t— more constructions to happen, tot t mean— more constructions to happen, but i mean that— more constructions to happen, but i mean that is a grey area. vnat— but i mean that is a grey area. what to— but i mean that is a grey area. what to tor— but i mean that is a grey area. what is for certain— but i mean that is a grey area. what is for certain then- but i mean that is a grey area. what is for certain then ,- but i mean that is a grey area. what is for certain then , is- what is for certain then, is that for 10% of our motorways that for 10% of our motorways that at this moment in time are smart, motorways are to some degree unsafe. yet the government has. i thought the government has. i thought the government had a duty of care to us as people could this mike rawson in your opinion, could this potentially open the way for legal challenges ? i think it for legal challenges? i think it could. i for legal challenges? i think it could. i think— for legal challenges? i think it could. i think for— for legal challenges? i think it could. i think for the- g fg�* i think it could. i think for the relatives of someone killed who who will take — of someone killed who who will take on— of someone killed who who will take on tne — of someone killed who who will take on the government because tnat-c— take on the government because tnat-c vnat— take on the government because that's what they're— take on the government because that's what they're doing . and that's what they're doing. and got— that's what they're doing. and got to — that's what they're doing. and we've got to remember, nigel, govenenct— we've got to remember, nigel, governments have got unlimited noney — governments have got unlimited noney tney-ve— governments have got unlimited money. they've got our taxpayers money— money. they've got our taxpayers money to— money. they've got our taxpayers money to ttgnt— money. they've got our taxpayers money to fight any— money. they've got our taxpayers money to fight any case that anybody— money to fight any case that anytoty tnngc— money to fight any case that anybody brings against them . i anybody brings against them. i ton-t— anybody brings against them. i ton-t tnov— anybody brings against them. i ton-t tnov vny— anybody brings against them. i don't know why they can't give oeonte— don't know why they can't give people tegat— don't know why they can't give people tegat att— don't know why they can't give people legal aid when people do vant— people legal aid when people do want to— people legal aid when people do want to tate— people legal aid when people do want to take action— people legal aid when people do want to take action against the gveennt — want to take action against the government. but— want to take action against the government. but i— want to take action against the government. but i think they do nave— government. but i think they do nave a— government. but i think they do nave a to— government. but i think they do have a case to answer. i'm not a tegat— have a case to answer. i'm not a tegat expert— have a case to answer. i'm not a tegat evoen ty— have a case to answer. i'm not a tegat eaten by any— have a case to answer. i'm not a legal expert by any means, but it legal expert by any means, but tt toec— legal expert by any means, but tt toec trace— legal expert by any means, but it does raise the— legal expert by any means, but it does raise the question, toecn-t— it does raise the question, toecn-t rte— it does raise the question, doesn't it? indeed it does. the

tone— doesn't it? indeed it does. the prime minister— doesn't it? indeed it does. the prime minister has said he said it prime minister has said he said tt tonng— prime minister has said he said tt tonng tne— prime minister has said he said it during the leadership eanoatgn. — it during the leadership eanoatgn. t— it during the leadership campaign. i heard him say it. he on tne— campaign. i heard him say it. he was on the television . these was on the television. these notorvayc— was on the television. these notorvayc ae— was on the television. these motorways are unsafe . and he's motorways are unsafe. and he's atntttet— motorways are unsafe. and he's atntttet tne— motorways are unsafe. and he's admitted the public are uncomfortable with them. they ton-t— uncomfortable with them. they ton-t ttte — uncomfortable with them. they don't like them.— uncomfortable with them. they don't like them. they and vast nay-onty— don't like them. they and vast nay-onty ot— don't like them. they and vast majority of people do not want tnece— majority of people do not want these motorways— majority of people do not want these motorways and they want these motorways and they want the government— these motorways and they want the government to reinstate the natt— the government to reinstate the hard shoulder— the government to reinstate the hard shoulder to _ the government to reinstate the hard shoulder to all of the notorvayc— hard shoulder to all of the notorvayc .— hard shoulder to all of the motorways . and that is the smart motorways. and that is the smart notorvayc— motorways. and that is the smart notorvayc tttt— motorways. and that is the smart motorways kill campaign . yeah, motorways kill campaign. yeah, vett— motorways kill campaign. yeah, ve-tt carry— motorways kill campaign. yeah, ve-tt carry on— motorways kill campaign. yeah, we'll carry on with— motorways kill campaign. yeah, we'll carry on with claire, who i pay— we'll carry on with claire, who r pay tntnte— we'll carry on with claire, who i pay tribute to— we'll carry on with claire, who i pay tribute to because she toct— i pay tribute to because she toct ner— i pay tribute to because she lost her her— i pay tribute to because she lost her her husband in the most vtotent— lost her her husband in the most violent accident.— lost her her husband in the most violent accident. terrible aeettent— violent accident. terrible aeettent .— violent accident. terrible accident . and- violent accident. terrible accident . and she's campaigned accident. and she's campaigned retent— accident. and she's campaigned retent tor— accident. and she's campaigned relent for four— accident. and she's campaigned relent for four years despite all relent for four years despite att tne— relent for four years despite all the emotion— relent for four years despite all the emotion the stress that cne— all the emotion the stress that cne earnec— all the emotion the stress that she carries with— all the emotion the stress that she carries with her. so she's tone— she carries with her. so she's tone reatty— she carries with her. so she's done really well. - she carries with her. so she's done really well. �*ftt�*m done really well. what i never hear , mike, i never hear the hear, mike, i never hear the police talking about this. the police talking about this. the police seem to be the police seem to be schtum about this

subject. do you have any insights as to what the police think ? i don't, but what i would think? i don't, but what i would say think? i don't, but what i would cay rc— think? i don't, but what i would cay tc tn— think? i don't, but what i would cay tc, tn ny— think? i don't, but what i would say is, in my view— think? i don't, but what i would say is, in my view ,— “

be then the police really ought to te ontttng— then the police really ought to be putting more— then the police really ought to be putting more effort . be putting more effort. i coproce— be putting more effort. i coppoce tn— be putting more effort. i suppose in one- be putting more effort. i suppose in one way,- be putting more effort. suppose in one way, the installation of thousands of speed cameras all over the country kind of does the job for the police , but it takes away the police, but it takes away discretion. you're the police, but it takes away discretion . you're absolutely discretion. you're absolutely ttgnt— discretion. you're absolutely ngnt .— discretion. you're absolutely ngnt . ant— discretion. you're absolutely right . and when— t: f" you're absolutely right . and when there are police right. and when there are police ottteerc— right. and when there are police ottteerc vno — right. and when there are police officers who enforce the law, you— officers who enforce the law, yon can— officers who enforce the law, yon tatt— officers who enforce the law, you can talk to— officers who enforce the law, you can talk to motorists that you— you can talk to motorists that yon cton— you can talk to motorists that yon ctoo ant— you can talk to motorists that yon ctoo ant yon— you can talk to motorists that you stop and you can consider tney-re— you stop and you can consider tney-re tnvtng— you stop and you can consider they're driving the time of day eonttttonc— they're driving the time of day eonttttonc ,— they're driving the time of day conditions , whether it put conditions, whether it put anytoty— conditions, whether it put anytoty at— conditions, whether it put anybody at risk . and you can anybody at risk. and you can nave— anybody at risk. and you can nave a— anybody at risk. and you can have a sensible— anybody at risk. and you can have a sensible common sense approaen— have a sensible common sense approaen to— have a sensible common sense approach to policing . and i'm approach to policing. and i'm tne— approach to policing. and i'm sure the public— approach to policing. and i'm sure the public would actually vveeornet— sure the public would actually welcome that— sure the public would actually welcome that rather than just getttng— welcome that rather than just getttngttnec— welcome that rather than just getting fines and points from cameras. yeah,— getting fines and points from cameras. yeah, we now happens to tnverc— cameras. yeah, we now happens to tnverc vvo-ven— cameras. yeah, we now happens to drivers who've often— cameras. yeah, we now happens to drivers who've often driven for teeatec— drivers who've often driven for decades without _ drivers who've often driven for decades without ever incurring a oenatty— decades without ever incurring a penalty financial— decades without ever incurring a penalty financial penalty or ootntc. — penalty financial penalty or ootntc. reat— penalty financial penalty or points. yeah and- penalty financial penalty or points. / nit�*t: penalty financial penalty or points. v/tiuit" nit�*t: t: points. yeah and folks i've said it before on this program, i'll say it again it is 20 miles an hour on the embankment for 24 hours a day. it is crackers. but

back to the very serious subject of smart motorways and of the campaign , smart motorways kill campaign, smart motorways kill mike rawson , thank you for mike rawson, thank you for joining me. a final thought on the government's announcement. how disappointed you feel ? i am how disappointed you feel? i am disappointed because i had- r: “din: 7 i am disappointed because i had hoped that disappointed because i had hoped tnat tne— disappointed because i had hoped that the government would say yes, — that the government would say yec no — that the government would say yes, no more smart motorways and we gotng— yes, no more smart motorways and we gotng to— yes, no more smart motorways and we are going to reinstate hard cnontterc— we are going to reinstate hard shoulders because we accept tnat-c— shoulders because we accept tnat-c vnat— shoulders because we accept that's what the— shoulders because we accept that's what the public want and tney— that's what the public want and tney reorecent— that's what the public want and they represent us. _ that's what the public want and they represent us. we know, said ant— they represent us. we know, said ant tone,— they represent us. we know, said ant done not— they represent us. we know, said and done, not dictate, but reorecent— and done, not dictate, but represent an— and done, not dictate, but represent an end. the money tney-re— represent an end. the money tney-re cavtng— represent an end. the money they're saving apparently is £1 ttttton— they're saving apparently is £1 billion from _ they're saving apparently is £1 billion from not— they're saving apparently is £1 billion from not converting tnece— billion from not converting these other— billion from not converting these other schemes to spend tnat— these other schemes to spend tnat ttttton— these other schemes to spend that billion pounds on reinstating— that billion pounds on reinstating hard shoulders tetveen— reinstating hard shoulders between the _ reinstating hard shoulders between the bridges. that's what i between the bridges. that's what t acrea— between the bridges. that's what t actet tor— between the bridges. that's what t actet tor .— between the bridges. that's what i asked for. don't— between the bridges. that's what i asked for. don't want them to tectroy— i asked for. don't want them to destroy bridges— i asked for. don't want them to destroy bridges and go to huge eoct— destroy bridges and go to huge eoct. not— destroy bridges and go to huge eoct. not a— destroy bridges and go to huge cost. but a programme of retnctattng— cost. but a programme of reinstating the- cost. but a programme of reinstating the hard shoulders ant— reinstating the hard shoulders ant vnen— reinstating the hard shoulders

and when that— reinstating the hard shoulders and when that happens we can all go none. — and when that happens we can all go none. ttgnte— and when that happens we can all go home. right? well good luck vttn— go home. right? well good luck on tne— go home. right? well good luck with the campaign. t: with the campaign. i'm behind you with the campaign. i'm behind yon too.— with the campaign. i'm behind you 100. now, this channel is very much a channel about free speech. we allow all sorts of different views, even ones we may disagree with very, very strongly. last week i had an organisation called animal rising on this programme. they said they were going to disrupt the grand national. i said i was going to be there. in a moment. we'll tell you what happened and we'll be joined by the trainer of hill sixteen. we'll find out his fate and the role that animal rising played in it.

nights on gb news, the people's channel britain . well, some of channel britain. well, some of your channel britain. well, some of yonr tnongntc— channel britain. well, some of your thoughts on— " " well, some of your thoughts on whether it's ttgnt— your thoughts on whether it's ngnt tnat— your thoughts on whether it's right that rishi _ your thoughts on whether it's right that rishi sunak wants us all right that rishi sunak wants us at to— right that rishi sunak wants us at to ctay— right that rishi sunak wants us at to ctay on— right that rishi sunak wants us all to stay on at— right that rishi sunak wants us all to stay on at school until rc—

all to stay on at school until we're 18 doing— all to stay on at school until we're 18 doing maths, anthea cayc— we're 18 doing maths, anthea cayc, inct— we're 18 doing maths, anthea says, just seems— we're 18 doing maths, anthea says, just seems a bit ridiculous.— says, just seems a bit ridiculous. we all have varying tevetc— ridiculous. we all have varying tevetc ot— ridiculous. we all have varying levels of ability.— ridiculous. we all have varying levels of ability. some are good at natnc— levels of ability. some are good at maths, some— levels of ability. some are good at maths, some aren't. if a natnrat— at maths, some aren't. if a natural ability— at maths, some aren't. if a natural ability attainment level for natural ability attainment level tor tne— natural ability attainment level for the subject— natural ability attainment level for the subject isn't there by tne— for the subject isn't there by tne age— for the subject isn't there by tne age ot— for the subject isn't there by tne age ot re,— for the subject isn't there by the age of 16, in— for the subject isn't there by the age of 16, in another two yearc— the age of 16, in another two yearc vtt— the age of 16, in another two years will not— the age of 16, in another two years will not change that substantially. _ years will not change that substantially. anthea i absolutely— substantially. anthea i absolutely agree with that. anotner— absolutely agree with that. another viewer— absolutely agree with that. another viewer says absolutely not. — another viewer says absolutely not. react— another viewer says absolutely not. teach them— another viewer says absolutely not. teach them how to use maths in not. teach them how to use maths tn reat— not. teach them how to use maths tn reat tne— not. teach them how to use maths tn reat ttte or— not. teach them how to use maths in real life or based— not. teach them how to use maths in real life or based on their otannet— in real life or based on their planned career— in real life or based on their planned career .— in real life or based on their planned career . and isn't this planned career. and isn't this reatty— planned career. and isn't this reatty tne— planned career. and isn't this really the point— planned career. and isn't this really the point that kenneth tater— really the point that kenneth tater vac— really the point that kenneth baker was making when he was in the baker was making when he was in tne ctntto— baker was making when he was in the studio earlier?— baker was making when he was in the studio earlier? and by the way— the studio earlier? and by the way, t— the studio earlier? and by the way, t tnongnt— the studio earlier? and by the way, i thought his ideas about the way, i thought his ideas about tne cttttc— way, i thought his ideas about the skills that— way, i thought his ideas about the skills that youngsters cnontt — the skills that youngsters should leave _ the skills that youngsters should leave schools with, i tnongnt— should leave schools with, i tnongnt tt— should leave schools with, i thought it was— should leave schools with, i thought it was rather inspiring and thought it was rather inspiring ant-tnnonant- thought it was rather inspiring and important indeed and very, very important indeed . nanen— and very, very important indeed . nanen cayc— and very, very important indeed . darren says no— and very, very important indeed . darren says no waste of money. nacte— . darren says no waste of money. nacte natnc— . darren says no waste of money. nacte natnc rc— . darren says no waste of money. basic maths is sufficient for noct— basic maths is sufficient for noct oeoote— basic maths is sufficient for most people, for— basic maths is sufficient for most people, for most of the tne. — most people, for most of the tne. tt-c— most people, for most of the time. it's not— most people, for most of the time. it's not maths , darren, time. it's not maths, darren, tt-c— time. it's not maths, darren, it's numbers.— time. it's not maths, darren, it's numbers. people need to be atte— it's numbers. people need to be atte to— it's numbers. people need to be able to understand— it's numbers. people need to be able to understand and use tne— able to understand and use tne at— able to understand and use numbers at least, or at least nave— numbers at least, or at least have some idea— numbers at least, or at least have some idea of what numbers are have some idea of what numbers tact— have some idea of what numbers are now last week— have some idea of what numbers are now last week i— have some idea of what numbers are now last week i did invite tatnan— are now last week i did invite nathan mcgovern, who's the head of

nathan mcgovern, who's the head ot antnat— nathan mcgovern, who's the head of animal rising,— nathan mcgovern, who's the head of animal rising, an outfit i'd neat— of animal rising, an outfit i'd never heard from. they appear to be an— never heard from. they appear to be an offshoot— never heard from. they appear to be an offshoot of— never heard from. they appear to be an offshoot of just stop oil ant— be an offshoot of just stop oil ant no— be an offshoot of just stop oil ant no tontt— be an offshoot of just stop oil and no doubt extinction rebellion.— and no doubt extinction rebellion. but i did invite him in rebellion. but i did invite him tn to— rebellion. but i did invite him tn to tne— rebellion. but i did invite him in to the studio— rebellion. but i did invite him in to the studio last week to tatt— in to the studio last week to tatt atont— in to the studio last week to talk about the _ in to the studio last week to talk about the upcoming grand tattonat— talk about the upcoming grand national. this— talk about the upcoming grand national. this is— talk about the upcoming grand national. this is one of the tntngc— national. this is one of the tntngc tnat— national. this is one of the things that nathan mcgovern catt— things that nathan mcgovern catt. voo— things that nathan mcgovern said. you haven't been at the tattonat— said. you haven't been at the national for— said. you haven't been at the national for a— said. you haven't been at the national for a few years, but i assume you watched it in 2019. teat.— assume you watched it in 2019. teat. tve— assume you watched it in 2019. teat. tve ceen— assume you watched it in 2019. yeah, i've seen it— assume you watched it in 2019. yeah, i've seen it and— assume you watched it in 2019. yeah, i've seen it and i've- assume you watched it in 2019. v/tivft" " l " yeah, i've seen it and i've seen it. you know, you saw the horse go over the first hurdle and you saw how it fell and broke its neck. you saw it writhing in pain on the floor. and i know i can in your eyes right now can see in your eyes right now that you hated seeing that we don't like it, we know there don't like it, but we know there the risks of a sport. and equally, of course,- equally, of course, for the toeteyc— equally, of course, for the toeteyc ac— equally, of course, for the jockeys as well, many whom jockeys as well, many of whom get-very— jockeys as well, many of whom get-very seriously- jockeys as well, many of whom get very seriously hurt . get very, very seriously hurt. vvet— get very, very seriously hurt. vett-go— get very, very seriously hurt. vett-go to— get very, very seriously hurt. well,-go to the- get very, very seriously hurt. well, go to the grand well, i did go to the grand tattonat— well, i did go to the grand national. we— well, i did go to the grand national. we were very lucky vttn— national. we were very lucky on one— national. we were very lucky with one thing.— national. we were very lucky with one thing. weather was with one thing. the weather was nnen— with one thing. the weather was nnen-tnan— with one thing. the weather was nnen-tnan tt— with one thing. the weather was much _than it had - with one thing. the weather was much than it had been the much better than it had been the orevtonc— much better than it had been the orevtonc-tayc.— much better than it had been the previous-days. and- much better than it had been the previous days. and i was previous two days. and i was aetnatty— previous two days. and i was aetnatty t— previous two days. and i was actually i was— previous two days. and i was actually i was in— previous two days. and i was actually i was in the centre of tne— actually i was in the centre of tne narate— actually i was in the centre of the parade ring— actually i was in the centre of the parade ring with some of the owners watching _ the parade ring with some of the owners watching the horses going eonnt— owners watching the horses going ronnt aneat— owners watching the horses going round ahead of— owners watching the horses going round ahead of the— owners watching the horses going round ahead of the grand

tattonat— round ahead of the grand national. and— round ahead of the grand national. and then something naooenet— national. and then something naooenet .— national. and then something happened . protesters started happened. protesters started ettnttng— happened. protesters started climbing fences— happened. protesters started climbing fences and going onto the climbing fences and going onto tne eonce— climbing fences and going onto tne .— climbing fences and going onto tne . t— climbing fences and going onto the course . i noticed that as the course. i noticed that as tne— the course. i noticed that as tne noec— the course. i noticed that as the horses went— the course. i noticed that as the horses went round repeatedly that the horses went round repeatedly tnat 2— the horses went round repeatedly ta 2 or— the horses went round repeatedly ta 2 or c— the horses went round repeatedly ta 2 or o ot— the horses went round repeatedly that 2 or 3 of them,— the horses went round repeatedly that 2 or 3 of them, 2 or 3 of ten — that 2 or 3 of them, 2 or 3 of ten got— that 2 or 3 of them, 2 or 3 of them got really— that 2 or 3 of them, 2 or 3 of them got really ,— that 2 or 3 of them, 2 or 3 of them got really , really hot, them got really, really hot, reatty— them got really, really hot, reatty cveaty— them got really, really hot, really sweaty ,— them got really, really hot, really sweaty , and were really sweaty, and were eenatnty— really sweaty, and were certainly getting pretty foamy at tne— certainly getting pretty foamy at the mouth.— certainly getting pretty foamy at the mouth. they weren't toottng— at the mouth. they weren't looking happy— at the mouth. they weren't looking happy with what went on. t hey— looking happy with what went on. tney tnen— looking happy with what went on. tney tnen vee— looking happy with what went on. they then were rushed out in the ent— they then were rushed out in the ent. n,— they then were rushed out in the ent. 12, to— they then were rushed out in the end. 12,13 minutes— they then were rushed out in the end. 12,13 minutes late. they then were rushed out in the end. 12, 13 minutes late. there a tott— end. 12, 13 minutes late. there was a full start— end. 12, 13 minutes late. there was a full start because another protecte— was a full start because another protecter got— was a full start because another protecter got on— was a full start because another protester got on the course. i'm no expert. — protester got on the course. i'm no expert. tn— protester got on the course. i'm no expert. tn no— protester got on the course. i'm no expert. i'm no expert when it to— no expert. i'm no expert when it comes to horses— no expert. i'm no expert when it comes to horses ,— no expert. i'm no expert when it comes to horses , but it seemed comes to horses, but it seemed to me— comes to horses, but it seemed to me tnat— comes to horses, but it seemed to me that that— comes to horses, but it seemed to me that that general chaos ant— to me that that general chaos and unnecessary— to me that that general chaos and unnecessary level of stress eancet— and unnecessary level of stress eancet ty— and unnecessary level of stress caused by animal— and unnecessary level of stress caused by animal rising , perhaps caused by animal rising, perhaps ttreetty— caused by animal rising, perhaps ttreetty tet— caused by animal rising, perhaps ttreetty tet to— caused by animal rising, perhaps directly led to some of the tntngc— directly led to some of the tntngc tnat— directly led to some of the things that happened in the tract— things that happened in the ttrct tev— things that happened in the first few minutes of the race. war, — first few minutes of the race. vvett, totntng— first few minutes of the race. well, joining me— first few minutes of the race. well, joining me now is trainer canty— well, joining me now is trainer sandy thompson,— well, joining me now is trainer sandy thompson, the trainer of the sandy thompson, the trainer of tne norce — sandy thompson, the trainer of the horse hill— sandy thompson, the trainer of the horse hill sixteen , who died the horse hill sixteen, who died at tne— the horse hill sixteen, who died at tne crant— the horse hill sixteen, who died at the grand national . and sandy at the grand national. and sandy totnc— at the grand national. and sandy totnc ne— at the grand national. and sandy totnc ne tron — at the grand national. and sandy joins me from kelso. sandy, good

eventng— joins me from kelso. sandy, good eventng. very— joins me from kelso. sandy, good eventng. very corry— joins me from kelso. sandy, good evening. very sorry to see what naooenet— evening. very sorry to see what naooenet at— evening. very sorry to see what happened at that— evening. very sorry to see what happened at that first fence. yoct— happened at that first fence. yoct tett— happened at that first fence. tnct tett nc— happened at that first fence. just tell us a— happened at that first fence. just tell us a little bit about not— just tell us a little bit about hill sixteen— just tell us a little bit about hill sixteen history as a jumper . tnant— hill sixteen history as a jumper . tnant yon— hill sixteen history as a jumper . tnant yon . — hill sixteen history as a jumper . thank you . and— hill sixteen history as a jumper . thank you . 't: . thank you. and thank you for having me on. hill sixteen. we got hill sixteen two years ago. he had , um, looked like he was he had, um, looked like he was a nice young horse and hadn't progressed as he might have done and uh, on his, on his second race for us, he was second beaten a nose over these grand national fences , uh, in, in a, national fences, uh, in, in a, in a race called the bucha chase in a race called the bucha chase in november, which is over three miles. uh, he had a great season last year. he was fourth and second in big races as the plan was always to, to run in the grand national this year, um , he grand national this year, um, he went back to aintree um in november again and again jumped around well and finished really well. the ground wasn't quite quite soft enough for him , but quite soft enough for him, but he jumped really well and was

fixed. and the plan then was to, to, to go to the grand national , which duly happened on, on saturday. yeah and i mean so yone— saturday. yeah and i mean so yone tatttng— saturday. yeah and i mean so you're talking here— qt}; “4s?" and i mean so you're talking here about, uh, an experienced— you're talking here about, uh, an experienced horse, a good jumping— an experienced horse, a good jumping norce— an experienced horse, a good jumping norce a— an experienced horse, a good jumping horse, a horse that natn-t— jumping horse, a horse that hadn't fallen— jumping horse, a horse that hadn't fallen before now. i mean , it hadn't fallen before now. i mean , tt tootet— hadn't fallen before now. i mean , tt tootet ac— hadn't fallen before now. i mean , it looked as though when the tect— , it looked as though when the ttrct tenee— , it looked as though when the first fence came— , it looked as though when the first fence came up that hill ctvteen— first fence came up that hill sixteen almost— first fence came up that hill sixteen almost didn't see the fence— sixteen almost didn't see the tenee .— sixteen almost didn't see the tenee . neg,— sixteen almost didn't see the fence . well, he— sixteen almost didn't see the fence . well, he definitely saw fence. well, he definitely saw it fence. well, he definitely saw tt teeance— fence. well, he definitely saw it because he— fence. well, he definitely saw it because he took off too far away— it because he took off too far away tron — it because he took off too far away tron tt. — it because he took off too far away from it. you- it because he took off too far away from it. v/tit. nit�*t: away from it. you know, and landed on top of it. away from it. you know, and landed on top of it . and that landed on top of it. and that was the problem. and because he landed on top of it, his momentum, he sort of cartwheeled over it. and unfortunately, he broke his neck and died instantly . and let's i mean, instantly. and let's i mean, let's be honest . without that let's be honest. without that protect.— let's be honest. without that protect. ve— let's be honest. without that protest, we would— without that protest, we would have had the narate— protest, we would have had the oarate ttnt— protest, we would have had the parade ring. there— protest, we would have had the parade ring. there would have teen— parade ring. there would have teen tne— parade ring. there would have been the walk— parade ring. there would have been the walk up— parade ring. there would have been the walk up on the course. tnere— been the walk up on the course. tnere vontt— been the walk up on the course. there would have— been the walk up on the course. there would have been a start . i there would have been a start. i mean, you believe— there would have been a start. i mean, you believe you believe tnat— mean, you believe you believe tnat vnat— mean, you believe you believe that what happened ahead of that ttreetty—

that what happened ahead of that race directly contributed to the teat — race directly contributed to the teat ot— race directly contributed to the death of that— race directly contributed to the death of that great horse ? i do death of that great horse? i do . ant— death of that great horse? i do . ant tne— death of that great horse? i do . and the other— death of that great horse? i do . and the other statistic- death of that great horse? i do . and the other statistic to sort of support my view is that nine years ago, the course was was changed hugely. the fences were changed completely be smaller. the ditches were taken out, the drops were taken out. and in those nine years, there have been less than two on average, less than two horses a year fallen or been unseated at the first or second fence. this year there was eight horses and you know that that just shows and going along with from people i've spoken to, uh, you know, they felt there was no doubt that these horses and jockeys and officials, you know, were just put under so much pressure by these by these so—called animal welfare , whatever you animal welfare, whatever you like to call them, advocates or whatever animal rising that that that this that this was the

outcome, you know, they will obviously deny it and say, you know, a horse would have died. but you know since since um in the last nine years there have been far fewer fatalities. listen we don't want any fatalities . that is a plan. and fatalities. that is a plan. and everybody is working very hard , everybody is working very hard, um, to reduce the numbers . but um, to reduce the numbers. but unfortunately, we will never we will never reduce them completely . no, that's right. completely. no, that's right. not— completely. no, that's right. not tnoce— completely. no, that's right. but those numbers- titit" no, that's right. but those numbers are ti.tit no, that's right. but those numbers are pretty eoenctve— but those numbers are pretty conclusive, aren't they, as you cay— conclusive, aren't they, as you cay. to — conclusive, aren't they, as you cay. to a— conclusive, aren't they, as you cay. to a year— conclusive, aren't they, as you cay. to a year on— conclusive, aren't they, as you say, to a year on average nnceatet— say, to a year on average nnceatet or— say, to a year on average unseated or falling at the first to etgnt— unseated or falling at the first to etgnt tntc— unseated or falling at the first to eight this year? no, those tne— to eight this year? no, those tne . t— to eight this year? no, those numbers , i think are pretty numbers, i think are pretty comprehensive.— numbers, i think are pretty comprehensive. i think it's totte— comprehensive. i think it's gotte eacy— comprehensive. i think it's gotte eacy to— comprehensive. i think it's quite easy to say that animal nctng— quite easy to say that animal rising directly— quite easy to say that animal rising directly contributed tovartc— rising directly contributed towards animal cruelty and teatn. — towards animal cruelty and teatn. tne— towards animal cruelty and death. the very— towards animal cruelty and death. the very opposite of what tney— death. the very opposite of what tney catt— death. the very opposite of what tney catt tney— death. the very opposite of what they said they would do. one tntng— they said they would do. one tntng t— they said they would do. one tntng t vtt— they said they would do. one thing i will say,— they said they would do. one thing i will say, sandy, i tnongnt— thing i will say, sandy, i thought the— thing i will say, sandy, i thought the merseyside police aetet— thought the merseyside police aetet cvtttty— thought the merseyside police acted swiftly .— thought the merseyside police acted swiftly . they did a really acted swiftly. they did a really eonoaret— acted swiftly. they did a really eonparet to.— acted swiftly. they did a really compared to, you— acted swiftly. they did a really compared to, you know , here down compared to, you know, here down contn— compared to, you know, here down contn vnen— compared to, you know, here down south, when people— compared to, you know, here down south, when people climb up onto

gantnec— south, when people climb up onto gantnec on— south, when people climb up onto gantnec on tne— south, when people climb up onto gantries on the m25— south, when people climb up onto gantries on the m25 or glue tnencetvec— gantries on the m25 or glue themselves to— gantries on the m25 or glue themselves to roads for hours, i tnongnt— themselves to roads for hours, i tnongnt tne— themselves to roads for hours, i thought the merseyside police did thought the merseyside police ttt a— thought the merseyside police ttt a very.— thought the merseyside police ttt a very. very— thought the merseyside police did a very, very good job of keeping— did a very, very good job of keeping tnat— did a very, very good job of keeping that delay as limited as it keeping that delay as limited as t — keeping that delay as limited as t not— keeping that delay as limited as it was. but let— keeping that delay as limited as it was. but let me— keeping that delay as limited as it was. but let me ask you, what toec— it was. but let me ask you, what toec tne— it was. but let me ask you, what toec tne coon— it was. but let me ask you, what does the sport do _ it was. but let me ask you, what does the sport do from here? tne— does the sport do from here? the sport— does the sport do from here? the sport ean— does the sport do from here? the sport can continually- does the sport do from here? the sport can continually is looking at itself to see, you know, how it can improve things . and there will obviously be a review . there will be a number review. there will be a number of options looked at. you know, it may be that they decide if they look back and see number 36 to 40, have they been have those horses been in in in the finish in recent years ? and if they in recent years? and if they find that these horses are not getting near near , near to getting near near, near to winning a race, you know, perhaps it will be decided that they'll cut the numbers. um they may also look at the start . they'll cut the numbers. um they may also look at the start. um the other problem is it's been a problem all their life is trying to deal with loose horses . but to deal with loose horses. but obviously when you lose eight, eight, eight horses at the first

two fences, you suddenly have a lot more horses running loose. and it's also been suggested that the jockeys may be absolutely. no, that the jockeys may be absolutely . no, absolutely. but absolutely. no, absolutely. but i absolutely. no, absolutely. but t get— absolutely. no, absolutely. but t get tnat— absolutely. no, absolutely. but i get that totally.— absolutely. no, absolutely. but i get that totally. but- oily no, absolutely. but i get that totally. but but i cnrety— i get that totally. but but i mean, surely, you know, all this tatt— mean, surely, you know, all this tatt ot— mean, surely, you know, all this tatt ot yon— mean, surely, you know, all this talk of you know,— mean, surely, you know, all this talk of you know, reducing the ce— talk of you know, reducing the tnt— talk of you know, reducing the size, but perhaps— talk of you know, reducing the size, but perhaps of the field of size, but perhaps of the field ot retnetng— size, but perhaps of the field of reducing the— size, but perhaps of the field of reducing the fences even t— of reducing the fences even more, i mean, that just makes noec— more, i mean, that just makes noec go— more, i mean, that just makes horses go faster— more, i mean, that just makes horses go faster and accidents are some form of— horses go faster and accidents are some form of accident will atvayc— are some form of accident will atvayc happen-— are some form of accident will atvayc happen- t— are some form of accident will always happen. i mean, isn't tnere— always happen. i mean, isn't tee a— always happen. i mean, isn't there a danger— always happen. i mean, isn't there a danger there that the tone— there a danger there that the tone raetng— there a danger there that the horse racing industry goes into appeacenent— horse racing industry goes into appeasement mode and goes too far appeasement mode and goes too tar tne— appeasement mode and goes too tar tne otter— appeasement mode and goes too far the other way— appeasement mode and goes too far the other way ? \tt'ft far the other way? no, the totter— far the other way? no, the number of the size of the fences is not going to change because if you make them any smaller, the horses will just go faster. so that is that is not going to change. um, obviously the number of horses is a difficult one. nobody can tell you the answer, you know. will it will it, will it just mean that it, you know, the horses at the back will just bunch up more so they won't actually be any more room? we

simply the answer to simply don't know the answer to that. we're just that. but obviously we're just continually looking at things. i'm not saying are going i'm not saying these are going to but these are some of to happen, but these are some of the that they might be the things that they might be that might at. they that they might look at. they look things every year. look at things every year. they're the british they're always in the british horse is horse racing association is always in contact with the rspca and the horse welfare world, horse welfare, and discussing , horse welfare, and discussing, you know, how we can make our sport safer. i mean, obviously there's been huge controversy over the whip . um, you know, over the whip. um, you know, last year's winner actually would have been disqualified this year because the whip rules have changed and they've been changed hugely and you know, you if you strike a horse over seven times, you know , you will be times, you know, you will be fined if you go over ten, you'll be disqualified. these are be disqualified. so these are things already we've taken things that already we've taken on board we're we're always on board and we're we're always looking to see how we can improve things further . well, looking to see how we can improve things further. well, i have to say, sandy gt; well, i have to say, sandy thompson, tnant— have to say, sandy thompson, tnant yon— have to say, sandy thompson, tnant yon tor— have to say, sandy thompson, thank you for coming on and totntng— thank you for coming on and joining ne— thank you for coming on and joining me. and— thank you for coming on and joining me. and i think you've gtven— joining me. and i think you've gtven a— joining me. and i think you've

gtven a very.— joining me. and i think you've gtven a very. very— joining me. and i think you've given a very, very reasoned ecotce to— given a very, very reasoned response to the— given a very, very reasoned response to the animal rising gnect— response to the animal rising gnect t— response to the animal rising gnect t nat— response to the animal rising gnect t nat on— response to the animal rising guest i had on last week. i'm very— guest i had on last week. i'm very corry— guest i had on last week. i'm very corry tor— guest i had on last week. i'm very sorry for what happened and vtcn— very sorry for what happened and vtcn yon— very sorry for what happened and vtcn yon vett. — very sorry for what happened and wish you well. thank you . well wish you well. thank you. well i tntnt— wish you well. thank you. well i tntnt ve— wish you well. thank you. well i tntnt we can— wish you well. thank you. well i think we can say— wish you well. thank you. well i think we can say with absolute eontttenee— think we can say with absolute confidence that _ think we can say with absolute confidence that animal rising nave— confidence that animal rising nave tnrnet— confidence that animal rising have turned out— confidence that animal rising have turned out to be complete ant— have turned out to be complete ant otter— have turned out to be complete ant otter .— have turned out to be complete and utter . they— have turned out to be complete and utter . they have caused the and utter. they have caused the very— and utter. they have caused the very ottoctte— and utter. they have caused the very ottoctte ot— and utter. they have caused the very opposite of what they set out very opposite of what they set ont ont— very opposite of what they set ont ont to — very opposite of what they set ont ont to to. — very opposite of what they set out out to do. they are. but a cnatt— out out to do. they are. but a small minority. _ out out to do. they are. but a small minority. they appear to be, small minority. they appear to te. trantty. — small minority. they appear to be, frankly, professional protecterc— be, frankly, professional protesters .— be, frankly, professional protesters . they're turning up protesters. they're turning up for protesters. they're turning up to yoct— protesters. they're turning up to yoct stoo— protesters. they're turning up for just stop oil— protesters. they're turning up for just stop oil they're tnrntng— for just stop oil they're tnrntng nt— for just stop oil they're turning up at- for just stop oil they're turning up at the national. tney-re— turning up at the national. they're turning— turning up at the national. they're turning up with extinction _ they're turning up with extinction rebellion. goodness tnovc— extinction rebellion. goodness tnovcvno— extinction rebellion. goodness knows who funds— extinction rebellion. goodness knows who funds them and pays tnen. — knows who funds them and pays tnen. t— knows who funds them and pays tnen. t ton-t— knows who funds them and pays them. i don't know— knows who funds them and pays them. i don't know answer to them. i don't know the answer to ttat— them. i don't know the answer to tnat. ant— them. i don't know the answer to that. and they're— them. i don't know the answer to that. and they're threatening tne— that. and they're threatening over the course— that. and they're threatening over the course of the of over the course of the rest of tntc— over the course of the rest of tntc year— over the course of the rest of tntc year to— over the course of the rest of this year to disrupt greyhound over the course of the rest of this year tcindeedt greyhound over the course of the rest of this year tcindeed the eyhound over the course of the rest of this year tcindeed the epsomj racing and indeed the epsom terty— racing and indeed the epsom terty .— racing and indeed the epsom terty . wen,— racing and indeed the epsom terty . wen, t— racing and indeed the epsom derby . well, i hope all police derby. well, i hope all police toee— derby. well, i hope all police toee ctan— derby. well, i hope all police forces start to _ derby. well, i hope all police forces start to act— derby. well, i hope all police forces start to act more rotnctty— forces start to act more rotnctty .— forces start to act more robustly . well done. merseyside robustly. well done. merseyside tottee— robustly. well done. merseyside tottee .— robustly. well done. merseyside tottee . tn— robustly. well done. merseyside tottee . tn a— robustly. well done. merseyside police . in a moment, we'll look police. in a moment, we'll look agatn— police. in a moment, we'll look agatn at— police. in a moment, we'll look agatn at cntna.— police. in a moment, we'll look again at china. we— police. in a moment, we'll look again at china. we talked about it again at china. we talked about t at— again at china. we talked about t at tengtn— again at china. we talked about it at length last— again at china. we talked about it at length last week about the toge— it at length last week about the huge diplomatic— it at length last week about the huge diplomatic deals that china is huge diplomatic deals that china tc ctnttng— huge diplomatic deals that china is striking around— huge diplomatic deals that china is striking around the rest of tne— is striking around the rest of tne vortt. — is striking around the rest of the world. what— is striking around the rest of the world. what we'll discuss in

a moment— the world. what we'll discuss in a moment are the— the world. what we'll discuss in a moment are the direct threats ant— a moment are the direct threats and intimidation— a moment are the direct threats and intimidation they're posing to tnttcn— and intimidation they're posing to british members of parliament.- to british members of parliament. this all coming from the parliament. this all coming from tne cntnece— parliament. this all coming from the chinese communist party in tettng— the chinese communist party in tettng .—

a few moments ago. i described tnece— a few moments ago. i described tnece tott— a few moments ago. i described these full time— a few moments ago. i described these full time protesters as. tenanc— these full time protesters as. ternatc yon— these full time protesters as. perhaps you think i used a word tnat— perhaps you think i used a word tnat vac— perhaps you think i used a word tnat tar— perhaps you think i used a word that was far too— perhaps you think i used a word that was far too strong. i cncteet— that was far too strong. i cncteet tt— that was far too strong. i suspect it should have been ctronger— suspect it should have been stronger because just a few oentc— stronger because just a few etc ago— stronger because just a few moments ago in— stronger because just a few moments ago in sheffield, where tn tne— moments ago in sheffield, where we're in the first— moments ago in sheffield, where we're in the first round of the nont— we're in the first round of the world snooker— we're in the first round of the world snooker championship, a naten— world snooker championship, a match between— world snooker championship, a match between rob milkins and joe match between rob milkins and toe terry.— match between rob milkins and toe terry. tract— match between rob milkins and joe perry. first round match was tattng— joe perry. first round match was tattng ptaee— joe perry. first round match was taking place and— joe perry. first round match was taking place and this is what nattenet— taking place and this is what nattenet .— taking place and this is what nattenet . toe— taking place and this is what happened . joe perry well, i'm happened. joe perry well, i'm totte— happened. joe perry well, i'm gotte tnon— happened. joe perry well, i'm quite know what— happened. joe perry well, i'm quite know what that was for you . on.— quite know what that was for you . on. yon— quite know what that was for you . on. yon get— quite know what that was for you . on. yon get ntn — quite know what that was for you

. oh, you get him off- quite know what that was for you . oh, you get him off bobby seagull terrible, terrible scenes here at the crucible . scenes here at the crucible. well, for those for those ttctentng— well, for those for those listening to— well, for those for those listening to this on their car tatto— listening to this on their car ratto or— listening to this on their car ratto or tn— listening to this on their car radio or in the— listening to this on their car radio or in the kitchen , a just radio or in the kitchen, a just ston— radio or in the kitchen, a just stop ott— radio or in the kitchen, a just stop oil protester jumped on the cooet— stop oil protester jumped on the snooker table— stop oil protester jumped on the snooker table and— stop oil protester jumped on the snooker table and unleashed just ave ot— snooker table and unleashed just a wave of orange— snooker table and unleashed just a wave of orange white powder. cootnecc— a wave of orange white powder. cootnecc tnovc— a wave of orange white powder. goodness knows what— a wave of orange white powder. goodness knows what the- goodness knows what the substance was in order to stop the game. and i'm told that at an adjacent table, another protester tried. in fact, you can see on the right hand side of the picture, a woman, i think, tried to do the same. and the referee manhandled her out of the way. these people will stop at absolutely nothing to stop at absolutely nothing to stop all normal life from going ahead and we've got to think very hard how we deal with this . are we going to allow this small, slightly crazed minority arnie? are we going to allow them to disrupt every aspect of our national life and sporting

life ? i don't think we can life? i don't think we can afford to. i think we're going to have to get much, much tougher in some cases. i can't blame them, really. you see, they've been told from primary school way through school all the way through that because people driving four because of people driving four by fours in chelsea . the world by fours in chelsea. the world is to end. we have spread is about to end. we have spread among some of these young people climate hysteria without any sense of balance whatsoever. now go back to china, a really , go back to china, a really, really important subject. i'm joined down the line by tim loughton, conservative lviv member of parliament, on the back of what i think is a really, really disturbing story . you see, when the chinese government put sanctions on politicians as they don't just put them on the elected mps themselves , elves or meps . in themselves, elves or meps. in themselves, elves or meps. in the case of a few in the european parliament, they apply it to the whole of their families. and a story has come out over the weekend that the child of an mp applied to go to

a leading college and a leading british university . but british university. but unfortunately that wouldn't work because if that child was allowed the chinese commercial so called commercial company would stop funding the college . would stop funding the college. tim loughton what on earth is going on here? well, good evening, nigel. this is some of the intimidation— g t 911 this is some of the intimidation tactics. atratt— the intimidation tactics. atratt tne— the intimidation tactics. afraid the chinese- the intimidation tactics. afraid the chinese communist government use when people , government use when people, politicians like me stand up and call them out or their industrial scale human rights abuses in xinjiang, the way that they've intimidated and killed over a million tibetans, invasion back in 1959. and what they're invasion back in 1959. and what tney-re tong— invasion back in 1959. and what tney-re totng tn— invasion back in 1959. and what they're doing in in— invasion back in 1959. and what they're doing in in hong- i " iji and what they're doing in in hong kong . they're doing in in hong kong. totnnatety— they're doing in in hong kong. fortunately, many of us have teen— fortunately, many of us have teen nctng— fortunately, many of us have been using platforms in parliament— been using platforms in parliament around the world to catt— parliament around the world to eat tntc— parliament around the world to call this out. _ parliament around the world to call this out. and— parliament around the world to call this out. and the chinese ton-t— call this out. and the chinese ton-t tre— call this out. and the chinese ton-t ttte n,— call this out. and the chinese don't like it, which is why five torc— don't like it, which is why five mps, including— don't like it, which is why five mps, including me and two of the tortc— mps, including me and two of the tortc vee— mps, including me and two of the lords, were sanctioned two years ago— lords, were sanctioned two years ago .— lords, were sanctioned two years ago . ant— lords, were sanctioned two years ago . ant ve— lords, were sanctioned two years ago . and we hold— lords, were sanctioned two years ago . and we hold that a badge of ago. and we hold that a badge of

ago. and we hold that a badge of a tatge— ago. and we hold that a badge of a tatge ot— ago. and we hold that a badge of a badge of honour.— ago. and we hold that a badge of a badge of honour. they don't ctot— a badge of honour. they don't ctot tnenc— a badge of honour. they don't stop there, they— a badge of honour. they don't stop there, they tentacles. the cntnece — stop there, they tentacles. the chinese communist government extent— chinese communist government extend throughout the world and tney— extend throughout the world and tney vtt— extend throughout the world and tney vttt reatty— extend throughout the world and they will really stop short of notntng— they will really stop short of notntng to— they will really stop short of notntng to get— they will really stop short of nothing to get their way . “415?" nothing to get their way. yeah, i nothing to get their way. yeah, t — nothing to get their way. yeah, t tetng— nothing to get their way. yeah, i mean, being an— nothing to get their way. yeah, i mean, being an elected politician, tim, you know, i did 20 years in the european parliament and, you know, we stand up and we fight for issues we believe in. and we, you know, we believe in. and we, you know, we get it. we know we're going to get the twitter bots attacking us and all the rest of it. i know in iain duncan smith's case, actually impersonations on email of him. but when it comes when it comes to our children , very often may to our children, very often may have may have completely different political views to us when it comes to them being targeted . i can't think of any targeted. i can't think of any direct precedent to this . well, direct precedent to this. well, it's part of intimidation- it's part of intimidation taettec. — it's part of intimidation taettec. t— it's part of intimidation tactics. i mean, the five mps, tarn— tactics. i mean, the five mps, tatn tonean— tactics. i mean, the five mps, iain duncan smith, nusrat ghani , mer— iain duncan smith, nusrat ghani . ton— iain duncan smith, nusrat ghani , me, tom tugendhat and neil all ttntcter— , me, tom tugendhat and neil all ttntcter .— , me, tom tugendhat and neil all now minister , none— , me, tom tugendhat and neil all now minister , none of us have now minister, none of us have reeetvet— now minister, none of us have reeetvet an— now minister, none of us have received an official letter from

the received an official letter from tne cntnece— received an official letter from the chinese saying you are canettonet— the chinese saying you are sanctioned ,— the chinese saying you are sanctioned , as— the chinese saying you are sanctioned , as is your family. sanctioned, as is your family. too— sanctioned, as is your family. too cannot— sanctioned, as is your family. you cannot do— sanctioned, as is your family. you cannot do this. all we know tnere— you cannot do this. all we know tnere vac— you cannot do this. all we know tnere a— you cannot do this. all we know there was a press— you cannot do this. all we know there was a press conference annonneng— there was a press conference announcing that— there was a press conference announcing that we five wicked teotte— announcing that we five wicked teotte tor— announcing that we five wicked people for spreading lies been canettonet— people for spreading lies been canettonet .— people for spreading lies been sanctioned . and— people for spreading lies been sanctioned . and so all our sanctioned. and so all our accetc— sanctioned. and so all our accetc tn— sanctioned. and so all our assets in china— sanctioned. and so all our assets in china are being cetzet— assets in china are being cetzet. t— assets in china are being seized. i don't- assets in china are being seized. i don't think any any all seized. i don't think any any at on— seized. i don't think any any all our business— seized. i don't think any any all our business connections vttn— all our business connections on cntna— all our business connections with china are— all our business connections with china are being stopped . with china are being stopped. agatn— with china are being stopped. agatn. ve— with china are being stopped. again, we don't— with china are being stopped. again, we don't have any and we cant— again, we don't have any and we cant travet— again, we don't have any and we cant travet to— again, we don't have any and we can't travel to china— again, we don't have any and we can't travel to china or can our etoce— can't travel to china or can our close relatives— can't travel to china or can our close relatives doesn't say what the close relatives doesn't say what tne etoce— close relatives doesn't say what the close relatives— close relatives doesn't say what the close relatives are. and tve— the close relatives are. and tve no— the close relatives are. and tve no great— the close relatives are. and i've no great go— the close relatives are. and i've no great go to china anyway . tnt— i've no great go to china anyway . tot ve— i've no great go to china anyway . tot ve ae— i've no great go to china anyway , but we are. we're— i've no great go to china anyway , but we are. we're not the tntonant— , but we are. we're not the important ones— , but we are. we're not the important ones .- , but we are. we're not the important ones . it's those important ones. it's those teotte— important ones. it's those teotte ton-t— important ones. it's those people don't have a platform . people don't have a platform. tnoce— people don't have a platform. tnoce teotte— people don't have a platform. those people who escaped from nong— those people who escaped from tong tong.— those people who escaped from hong kong, escape from xinjiang. uygur— hong kong, escape from xinjiang. oygnr eonnnntty— hong kong, escape from xinjiang. uygur community in the uk. aronnt— uygur community in the uk. aronnt tne— uygur community in the uk. around the world, tibetans who nave — around the world, tibetans who nave teen— around the world, tibetans who have been escaping tibet since ttt.— have been escaping tibet since tttt. ttc— have been escaping tibet since tttt. tt-c a— have been escaping tibet since 1959. it's a campaign intimidation. and we hear ctonec— intimidation. and we hear stories they— intimidation. and we hear stories they in— intimidation. and we hear stories they in about uighurs nno— stories they in about uighurs vno eeetve— stories they in about uighurs who receive messages saying that tnen— who receive messages saying that tnetr tantttec— who receive messages saying that their families who— who receive messages saying that their families who are still in cntna— their families who are still in cntna vtt— their families who are still in china will be— their families who are still in china will be in— their families who are still in china will be in danger if they ton-t—

china will be in danger if they ton-t eontty— china will be in danger if they ton-t eonpty .— china will be in danger if they ton-t eonpty . tt— china will be in danger if they don't comply , if they are don't comply, if they are tatttng— don't comply, if they are talking out— don't comply, if they are talking out against human rights ancect— talking out against human rights abuses or whatever it is very tnttnttattng— abuses or whatever it is very intimidating and— abuses or whatever it is very intimidating and this is pretty ceary— intimidating and this is pretty ceary .— intimidating and this is pretty ceary . nn— intimidating and this is pretty ceary . on. t— intimidating and this is pretty ceary . on. t yon— intimidating and this is pretty scary. uh, if you are escaping vnat-c— scary. uh, if you are escaping vnat-c gotng— scary. uh, if you are escaping what's going on— scary. uh, if you are escaping what's going on in in china , you what's going on in in china, you can never quite— what's going on in in china, you can never quite escape the tentaetec— can never quite escape the tentacles of _ can never quite escape the tentacles of the - can never quite escape the tentacles of the chinese government. _ tentacles of the chinese government. i'm afraid they are . nave— government. i'm afraid they are . nave toge— government. i'm afraid they are . have huge influence all around the . have huge influence all around tne wont.— . have huge influence all around the world, including on nntverctty— the world, including on university campuses, which are ettner— university campuses, which are ettner-atont.— university campuses, which are either-about.-of- university campuses, which are either about. of my either story about. one of my eotteagnec— either story about. one of my colleagues children potentially not getttng— colleagues children potentially not getttng to— colleagues children potentially not getting to university teeance— not getting to university because universities are alive for because universities are alive to conetntng— because universities are alive for something like 30% of their ink for something like 30% of their tnt tron — for something like 30% of their ink from chinese— for something like 30% of their ink from chinese students . and ink from chinese students. and tnere-c— ink from chinese students. and tnere-c a— ink from chinese students. and tnere-c a tot— ink from chinese students. and there's a lot of— ink from chinese students. and there's a lot of investment by cntnece— there's a lot of investment by chinese companies in research troteetc— chinese companies in research project on— chinese companies in research projects on chinese campuses. tnere-c— projects on chinese campuses. tnere-c not— projects on chinese campuses. there's not healthy shouldn't be cnen— there's not healthy shouldn't be cnen a— there's not healthy shouldn't be such a reliance— there's not healthy shouldn't be such a reliance on— there's not healthy shouldn't be such a reliance on chinese . such a reliance on chinese. taoney — such a reliance on chinese. taoney n..— such a reliance on chinese. money t oily such a reliance on chinese. money \ttiit money no, absolutely. tim loughton , thank you for joining loughton, thank you for joining us and sharing your story on this and that of others. and i have to say, the whole thing is absolutely horrible. it is awful. but at the same time, we learned today, we learned today that saudi arabia and iran will, in the next couple of months,

actually have a summit in tehran . all of this because of that rapprochement that was brokered by president xi just a few weeks ago. and this is a story that i've been coming back to again and again because diplomatically, china is on the march and all the while they're doing that, joe biden is in the west of ireland telling the world with his english surname just how irish he is. and president macron of france, well, he's busy , of course, well, he's busy, of course, going over to beijing, appealing to the chinese communist party and telling them , do what you and telling them, do what you like with taiwan. frankly we don't care. it's extraordinary time for a couple of barrages, the barrages . the first is from the barrages. the first is from treasure . hi, nigel farage. i'm treasure. hi, nigel farage. i'm treasure from london . ”c: t 911 3 i'm treasure from london . when are treasure from london. when are yon— treasure from london. when are yon gotng— treasure from london. when are yon gotng to— treasure from london. when are yon gotng to ctan— treasure from london. when are you going to start paying the toetorc— you going to start paying the doctors what— you going to start paying the doctors what they deserve . doctors what they deserve. vtett. — doctors what they deserve. well, treasure— doctors what they deserve. well, treasure .— doctors what they deserve. well, treasure . that- doctors what they deserve. well, treasure . that was said well, treasure. that was said with great passion. yes i know. now, as you well know, treasure.

once doctors are fully qualified, they have the option to work within the national health service and do plenty of private work in their free time. and they can earn a huge amount of money gp's i mean under the deal that blair gave them have effectively been running businesses. know that junior businesses. i know that junior doctors work very , very doctors often work very, very long but they are not long hours, but they are not that badly paid. once they've been junior doctors for a few years and they are after all, doing an apprenticeship for an extremely well paid job. i don't want to sound unsympathetic , but want to sound unsympathetic, but frankly, frankly , i think the frankly, frankly, i think the way that some of the junior doctors are behaving, the way the royal college of nursing are behaving , is actually going to behaving, is actually going to make the public begin to doubt those that work within the national health service. and thatis national health service. and that is not a good or a healthy thing. i've got time for one more. vijay has a barrage. the farage for me . hello nigel. it farage for me. hello nigel. it great— farage for me. hello nigel. it great to— farage for me. hello nigel. it was great to meet— farage for me. hello nigel. it was great to meet you- g hello nigel. it was great to meet you at cpac in us.— was great to meet you at cpac in us. aty— was great to meet you at cpac in us. my gnectton— was great to meet you at cpac in

us. my question for— was great to meet you at cpac in us. my question for you today is vnat— us. my question for you today is vnat tc— us. my question for you today is vnat tc tne— us. my question for you today is what is the government going to do what is the government going to to atont— what is the government going to to atont tne— what is the government going to do about the channel crossings ? do about the channel crossings? as do about the channel crossings? ac ve— do about the channel crossings? ac ve nave— do about the channel crossings? as we have loads— do about the channel crossings? as we have loads and loads of tttegat— as we have loads and loads of illegal immigrants coming tnongn— illegal immigrants coming tnrongn tne— illegal immigrants coming through the boats and it doesn't to— through the boats and it doesn't to ent— through the boats and it doesn't to ent .— through the boats and it doesn't seem to end . well? . seem to end. well? vijay, delighted to meet you at cpac. and i have to say cpac is just the most mega event that takes place just outside dc and there's a summer one in august in dallas, which i will be at as well. what are the government going to do to stop the boats? absolutely nothing, vijay. nothing i make lots of noise. get the tory papers say jolly goodisnt get the tory papers say jolly good isn't it? absolutely marvellous. and you'll notice on friday a distinct change of tone from rishi sunak as he begins to realise there's a big high court case starting next monday and that may well go on to the court of appeal. it may well go to on strasbourg. all the while we're tied to the echr. we will not solve this problem . how many solve this problem. how many times do i have to say it? you

know what? i've been on this for over three years. i've not been proved wrong yet. oh, and by the way, with the boats that crossed this morning, we're now through way, with the boats that crossed this nforiing, we're now through way, with the boats that crossed this nfor the we're now through way, with the boats that crossed this nfor the year.t now through way, with the boats that crossed this nfor the year. that through way, with the boats that crossed this nfor the year. that mayugh way, with the boats that crossed this nfor the year. that may not 5000 for the year. that may not sound a big number, but the sound like a big number, but the weather's generally pretty weather's been generally pretty horrid about the june, horrid by about the end of june, we will completely and we will be completely and utterly . we'll need utterly overwhelmed. we'll need a couple of big new barges every single day . i hope that's clear single day. i hope that's clear enough. vijay. i'm joined by jacob rees—mogg. jacob, what have you this evening? what have you got this evening? what have you got this evening? what have this evening? have you got this evening? what have _this evening? well,| have you got this evening? well, i'll have you got this evening? well, ttt—on— have you got this evening? well, ttt—on a— have you got this evening? well, ttt—on a ttt- have you got this evening? well, i'll—on a bit from. i'll be following on a bit from you— i'll be following on a bit from yon teeance— i'll be following on a bit from you because we're having conetoty— you because we're having. somebody—the somebody who supports the protect— somebody who supports the protest-grand- somebody who supports the protest grand national protest at the grand national ant— protest at the grand national ant-torvart— protest at the grand national and-forward to- protest at the grand national and forward to discussing and i look forward to discussing vttn— and i look forward to discussing with-consequence- with him the consequence cases teeance— with him the consequence cases teeance yonve— with him the consequence cases because you've just the because you've just had the toner— because you've just had the trainer. hill— because you've just had the trainer hill sixteen on and trainer of hill sixteen on and vnat— trainer of hill sixteen on and vnat-vnen- trainer of hill sixteen on and. what-when-frighten what happens when you frighten toec— what happens when you frighten horses particularly horses that are particularly racehorses, highly strung antnatc— racehorses, highly strung animals. we're also going to be tatttng— animals. we're also going to be tatttng atont— animals. we're also going to be talking about this— animals. we're also going to be talking about this extraordinary catnt— talking about this extraordinary catnt ceorge-c— talking about this extraordinary saint george's day message. vte-re— saint george's day message. were-get- saint george's day message. we're - get when - saint george's day message. we're get when the we're going to get when the ctate— we're going to get when the state suddenly— we're going to get when the state suddenly last in our air at too— state suddenly last in our air at too tn— state suddenly last in our air at 3:00 in the— state suddenly last in our air at 3:00 in the afternoon. you vnat— at 3:00 in the afternoon. you see what people— at 3:00 in the afternoon. you see what people think of that. tve— see what people think of that. tve tat— see what people think of that. i've had enough— see what people think of that. i've had enough of— see what people think of that. i've had enough of big- see what people think of that. i've had enough of big brother. i've had enough of big brother. i got to tell you and jacob, i have to say, you know, conclusive figures, aren't they

17 in nine years at the 17 fallers in nine years at the first two races. eight this yeah first two races. eight this year. let's have a year. unbelievable let's have a look this improved look at this vastly improved spnng look at this vastly improved spring weather, shall we. evening i'm alex deakin and spring weather, shall we. - evening i'm alex deakin and this is evening i'm alex deakin and this tc yone— evening i'm alex deakin and this tc yonr tatect— evening i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update tron— is your latest weather update tron tne— is your latest weather update tron tne net— is your latest weather update from the met office probably a etonty— from the met office probably a etonty ctan— from the met office probably a cloudy start for— from the met office probably a cloudy start for many of us tomorrow morning, but it's exoeetet— tomorrow morning, but it's evteetet to— tomorrow morning, but it's expected to turn sunnier there vtt— expected to turn sunnier there vttt te — expected to turn sunnier there vttt te a— expected to turn sunnier there will be a fairly— expected to turn sunnier there will be a fairly brisk easterly treeze— will be a fairly brisk easterly treeze .— will be a fairly brisk easterly breeze , making— will be a fairly brisk easterly breeze , making it feel quite breeze, making it feel quite enttty— breeze, making it feel quite enttty on— breeze, making it feel quite chilly on north— breeze, making it feel quite chilly on north sea coasts. high treccnre tc— chilly on north sea coasts. high pressure is responsible for ttat— pressure is responsible for tnat. atco— pressure is responsible for that. also bringing many of us dry that. also bringing many of us try veatner— that. also bringing many of us dry weather for— that. also bringing many of us dry weather for much of this week.— dry weather for much of this week. t— dry weather for much of this week. t or— dry weather for much of this week. t or 2— dry weather for much of this week. 1 or 2 light showers here ant— week. 1 or 2 light showers here ant tnere— week. 1 or 2 light showers here and there with— week. 1 or 2 light showers here and there with some thick cloud in and there with some thick cloud tn ttaeec— and there with some thick cloud tn ptaeec tntc— and there with some thick cloud in places this evening, but tney-re— in places this evening, but they're tending— in places this evening, but they're tending to fade away. i tntnt— they're tending to fade away. i tntnt vett— they're tending to fade away. i think we'll see— they're tending to fade away. i think we'll see the cloud tnereactng— think we'll see the cloud increasing once more across the eact— increasing once more across the eact ant— increasing once more across the eact ant tnat— increasing once more across the east and that will— increasing once more across the east and that will spread head vect— east and that will spread head vect ac— east and that will spread head vect ac we go— east and that will spread head west as we go through the night. but west as we go through the night. tot—goot— west as we go through the night. but-good breaks- west as we go through the night. but-good breaks in. but still some good breaks in the but still some good breaks in tne-aerocc— but still some good breaks in the-across parts- but still some good breaks in the across parts of west the cloud across parts of west vvatec. — the cloud across parts of west wales. _england,. the cloud across parts of west. wales. _england, that wales. north west england, that will wales. north west england, that nit-to— wales. north west england, that vttt-to-a- wales. north west england, that will-to-a little- will allow it to turn a little etttty— will allow it to turn a little enttty. a— will allow it to turn a little chilly. a pocket— will allow it to turn a little chilly. a pocket or two of frost is chilly. a pocket or two of frost tc-ont— chilly. a pocket or two of frost tc-ontltne— chilly. a pocket or two of frost is out the question. in is not out of the question. in rotat— is not out of the question. in rnrat ctotc— is not out of the question. in rnrat ctotc .— is not out of the question. in rural spots . most- is not out of the question. in rural spots . most towns rural spots. most towns and etttec— rural spots. most towns and cities, though,— rural spots. most towns and cities, though, tuesday at cities, though, start tuesday at 5 cities, though, start tuesday at s or— cities, though, start tuesday at s or e. — cities, though, start tuesday at s or e. noct— cities, though, start tuesday at 5 or 6. most of— cities, though, start tuesday at 5 or 6. most of us— cities, though, start tuesday at 5 or 6. most of us will start vttn— 5 or 6. most of us will start on a— 5 or 6. most of us will start on a tot— 5 or 6. most of us will start with a lot of— 5 or 6. most of us will start with a lot of cloud , but i think with a lot of cloud, but i think tnat— with a lot of cloud, but i think tnat etont— with a lot of cloud, but i think that cloud will— with a lot of cloud, but i think that cloud will tend to melt

away— that cloud will tend to melt away over parts— that cloud will tend to melt away over parts of central and cte— away over parts of central and eastern england,— away over parts of central and eastern england, from eastern england, clearing from ecten— eastern england, clearing from western areas too.— eastern england, clearing from western areas too. it may linger on some of the— western areas too. it may linger on some of the coasts across cte— on some of the coasts across eastern scotland _ on some of the coasts across eastern scotland into the atternoon— eastern scotland into the afternoon,-for- eastern scotland into the afternoon, for many it will afternoon, but for many it will torn — afternoon, but for many it will torn _tetore — afternoon, but for many it will turn-before-cloud. turn sunny before the cloud increases again— turn sunny before the cloud increases again across the contn—eact. — increases again across the south—east. during the afternoon vttn— south—east. during the afternoon on tnat— south—east. during the afternoon with that easterly— south—east. during the afternoon with that easterly breeze teettng— with that easterly breeze feeling quite _ with that easterly breeze feeling quite on those feeling quite fresh on those tonn— feeling quite fresh on those north-coasts. - feeling quite fresh on thosei north-coasts. _the north sea coasts. but in the concntne— north sea coasts. but in the sunshine further— north sea coasts. but in the sunshine further west, quite tteacant. — sunshine further west, quite tteacant. -get- sunshine further west, quite pleasant. get close sunshine further west, quite- pleasant. _get close to pleasant. we could get close to 20 pleasant. we could get close to to cetctnc— pleasant. we could get close to 20 celsius-the— pleasant. we could get close to 20 celsius the highlands 20 celsius over the highlands once more during— 20 celsius over the highlands once more during the evening the etont— once more during the evening the etont vtt— once more during the evening the cloud will thicken— once more during the evening the cloud will thicken up a little bit cloud will thicken up a little ttt note— cloud will thicken up a little bit more england and wales bit more over england and wales vttn— bit more over england and wales with-possibility— bit more over england and wales with-possibility of— bit more over england and wales with possibility of a few with the possibility of a few noce— with the possibility of a few showers - into - with the possibility of a few showers into south—west showers coming into south—west tngtant—tnto- england as we head into vvetnectay— england as we head into wednesday morning. and they'll still wednesday morning. and they'll cttttlaronnt— wednesday morning. and they'll still around perhaps through wednesday morning. and they'll stil|day around perhaps through wednesday morning. and they'll stil|day here,d perhaps through wednesday morning. and they'll stil|day here, perhaps s through wednesday morning. and they'll stil|day here, perhaps parts ugh wednesday morning. and they'll stil|day here, perhaps parts ofh the day here, perhaps parts of soot— the day here, perhaps parts of sontn—atco- the day here, perhaps parts of south—also catch. south wales may also catch a cnoe — south wales may also catch a cnoe tnt— south wales may also catch a shower. but for— south wales may also catch a shower. but for most places, agatn— shower. but for most places, agatn .— shower. but for most places, agatn . ttc— shower. but for most places, agatn . tt-c try— shower. but for most places, again , it's dry and fine. on again, it's dry and fine. on vvetnectay— again, it's dry and fine. on vvetnectay .— again, it's dry and fine. on wednesday , often fairly cloudy wednesday, often fairly cloudy tne — wednesday, often fairly cloudy over the midlands and southern tngtant— over the midlands and southern tngtant. tnt— over the midlands and southern england. but some good spells of concntne— england. but some good spells of sunshine—still- england. but some good spells of sunshine—still that- sunshine elsewhere. still that eacterty— sunshine elsewhere. still that easterly_chill| easterly wind bringing a chill to cte— easterly wind bringing a chill to eastern coasts. but further vect.— to eastern coasts. but further west, temperatures getting into the mid—teens.— west, temperatures getting into the mid—teens. but overall it is tnrntng— the mid—teens. but overall it is tnrntng eooet— the mid—teens. but overall it is turning cooler and— the mid—teens. but overall it is turning cooler and that will eonttnne— turning cooler and that will eonttnne ac— turning cooler and that will continue as we _ turning cooler and that will continue as we go through this week.— continue as we go through this week. ttgn— continue as we go through this week. high pressure still dominating— week. high pressure still dominating to the north, but

tnereactngty— dominating to the north, but increasingly we'll see weather trontc— increasingly we'll see weather trontc eontng— increasingly we'll see weather fronts coming in— increasingly we'll see weather fronts coming in from the east tater— fronts coming in from the east tater tntc— fronts coming in from the east later this week— fronts coming in from the east later this week to— fronts coming in from the east later this week to bring showers ant— later this week to bring showers antlentttter— later this week to bring showers andlchillier feel— later this week to bring showers and chillier feel goodbye .

hello. good evening. c hello. good evening. it's me, yteot— hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg, on state of the nation. tonight it's less than a week to go before the government will send emergency alert to every telephone in the country . every telephone in the country. i'll be explaining how you can pre—empt the mission creep and disable the notifications in advance sunday. since the advance of sunday. since the 2016 referendum, the government has lost more than half of all votes in the house of lords. is it time to scrap our beloved upper chamber? i'll it upper chamber? i'll defend it and strongly support the idea of and strongly support the idea of a second chamber. but one of my next guests doesn't agree. vox popuu next guests doesn't agree. vox populi we asked the populi vox day. we asked the people what they thought of the