the list of resignations and arrests . the list of resignations and assess in— . the list of resignations and assess in she— - the list of resignations and arrests in the snp_ the list of resignations and arrests in the snp continues, bus— arrests in the snp continues, but as— arrests in the snp continues, but as shee— arrests in the snp continues, but as that party— arrests in the snp continues, but as that party has been so synonymous— but as that party has been so synonymous with— but as that party has been so synonymous with separation, with independence— synonymous with separation, with independence ,— synonymous with separation, with independence , does that mean the independence, does that mean the campaign— independence, does that mean the campaign is— independence, does that mean the campaign is new— independence, does that mean the campaign is now effectively over 7 campaign is now effectively over ene-u— campaign is now effectively over ene-u ense— campaign is now effectively over .7 we'll also have— campaign is now effectively over .7 we'll also have a— campaign is now effectively over .7 we'll also have a look at enseneen— .7 we'll also have a look at absolutely bonkers plan come up nnn— absolutely bonkers plan come up with by— absolutely bonkers plan come up with by ene— absolutely bonkers plan come up with by the welsh— absolutely bonkers plan come up with by the welsh government nes— with by the welsh government nee says— with by the welsh government nnn says young— with by the welsh government that says young asylum seekers crossing— that says young asylum seekers eressne ne— that says young asylum seekers crossing the channel once they reach — crossing the channel once they reeen 18,— crossing the channel once they reach 18, would— crossing the channel once they reach 18, would get £1,600 a nonn— reach 18, would get £1,600 a month ef— reach 18, would get £1,600 a month of taxpayer money, along nine— month of taxpayer money, along with legal— month of taxpayer money, along nnn legal ne— month of taxpayer money, along nnn legal and .— month of taxpayer money, along with legal aid . and i'll also with legal aid. and i'll also ask— with legal aid. and i'll also ask ener— with legal aid. and i'll also ask after the— with legal aid. and i'll also ask after the snooker protest nest— ask after the snooker protest nest enn— ask after the snooker protest last night and— ask after the snooker protest last night and the promise of a

summer of disruption down under the summer of disruption down under nee nnnen— summer of disruption down under the human rights— summer of disruption down under the human rights act, what can we de— the human rights act, what can we we ne— the human rights act, what can we we no seep— the human rights act, what can we do to stop the— the human rights act, what can we do to stop the same people ensnpnng— we do to stop the same people ensnpnng us— we do to stop the same people disrupting us again? and again and again?— disrupting us again? and again and again? but— disrupting us again? and again and again? but before all of net,— and again? but before all of nee, wee-s— and again? but before all of that, let's get— and again? but before all of that, let's get the news with tennes— that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez— that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . \. gt; that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez. \. gt; tatiana sanchez. nigel, thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the latest from the gb newsroom, the home secretary is set to declare the small boat crisis a national emergency rac. the move comes in response to a high court challenge tomorrow aimed at halting government plans to house asylum seekers on an old raf base in essex, braintree . raf base in essex, braintree. council will attempt to secure an injunction preventing the transfer of 1700 migrant to the wethersfield airbase. the declaration of a national emergency would give the home office powers to ignore local authority objections if the plans relate to crown owned property. well, this all comes as the latest figures show more than 5000 people have crossed the english channel so far this

year. the english channel so far this year . the snp the english channel so far this year. the snp treasurer has been arrested by police investigating the party's finances. colin beattie is the second person to be questioned by detectives who are trying to establish how more than £600,000 in donations was set aside for an independence referendum had been used earlier this month. the scottish national party's former chief executive, peter murrell, was questioned for more than 11 hours. mr murrell, who's the husband of former first minister nicola sturgeon , was released nicola sturgeon, was released without charge pending further investigation. when questioned investigation. when questioned in holyrood, snp leader humza yousaf hit back at the conservatives as brave some may use another word for it when it comes to talking about propri vat. your prime minister , your vat. your prime minister, your denny— vat. your prime minister, your deputy enme— e ' your prime minister, your deputy prime minister and the serene— deputy prime minister and the fone nine— deputy prime minister and the former prime minister are all under— former prime minister are all under investigation by the someones— under investigation by the standards commission. so yes. so yes. — standards commission. so yes. so yes. wnne— standards commission. so yes. so yes. while while— standards commission. so yes. so yes. while while we— standards commission. so yes. so yes. while while we face challenges— yes. while while we face challenges ,_ yes. while while we face challenges , while we are

challenges, while we are obsowoew— challenges, while we are absolutely facing challenges , absolutely facing challenges, i'd absolutely facing challenges, n-o nones— absolutely facing challenges, i'd rather be— absolutely facing challenges, i'd rather be standing here with the i'd rather be standing here with nee opponnnw— i'd rather be standing here with the opportunity motty to deliver for one— the opportunity motty to deliver for nee people— the opportunity motty to deliver for the people of— the opportunity motty to deliver for the people of scotland nones— for the people of scotland rather than _ for the people of scotland rather than languish in the opposition— rather than languish in the opposition like— rather than languish in the opposition like meghan gallacher and opposition like meghan gallacher one one— opposition like meghan gallacher and the scottish— opposition like meghan gallacher and the scottish tories . ronni“ and the scottish tories. well, the and the scottish tories. well, no sooonsn — and the scottish tories. well, the scottish first minister also set out his vision for the country in his first major policy statement since taking office. mr yusuf said the party will focus on equality , will focus on equality, opportunity and community. he also announced a delay in the deposit return scheme for drinks, cans and bottles, as well as a six month trial to remove peak time fares from scotrail trains . labour is scotrail trains. labour is calling on the prime minister to pubush calling on the prime minister to publish his financial interests. parliament's ethics watchdog's investigating whether rishi sunak failed to tell mps his wife might benefit from a major announced payment in last month's budget. she holds shares in koru kids , a child care in koru kids, a child care agency likely to gain financially from a drive to recruit more childminders . a

recruit more childminders. a number 10, says mr sunak , will number 10, says mr sunak, will clarify why it was declared as a ministerial interest rather than to the commons and charities and campaigners are warning new rules for energy suppliers don't go far enough. firms across england, scotland and wales have agreed to a new voluntary code of practise to help protect vulnerable people. under the new rules , suppliers must make at rules, suppliers must make at least ten attempts to contact a customer and carry out a welfare visit before a pre—payment metre can be installed. the end fuel poverty coalition says the plans failed to deal with energy debt relief for those most in need . relief for those most in need. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to . back to. farage well, what a mess . i've been well, what a mess. i've been used to political—

icons“ i've been used to political parties will i've been used to political parties having good— used to political parties having good dnes— used to political parties having good times and— used to political parties having good times and bad times. i can deu— good times and bad times. i can new you— good times and bad times. i can new you os— good times and bad times. i can tell you as leader— good times and bad times. i can tell you as leader of ukip, i nod— tell you as leader of ukip, i had some— tell you as leader of ukip, i had some good— tell you as leader of ukip, i had some good days and some pretty— had some good days and some nenw onen— had some good days and some pretty rotten ones— had some good days and some pretty rotten ones too , but pretty rotten ones too, but donned.— pretty rotten ones too, but donned. ._ pretty rotten ones too, but nothing. i don't- pretty rotten ones too, but nothing. i don't think anything like nothing. i don't think anything doe-sne— nothing. i don't think anything dike-son nos— nothing. i don't think anything like snp has been through. like the snp has been through. doss— like the snp has been through. dust-ended— like the snp has been through. just-remind-of- like the snp has been through. just-remind-of 1. like the snp has been through.| just-remind-of 1 or just to remind ourselves of 1 or 2 of— just to remind ourselves of 1 or 2 of de— just to remind ourselves of 1 or 2 of the timelines— just to remind ourselves of 1 or 2 of the timelines on this. it began— 2 of the timelines on this. it began-wen— 2 of the timelines on this. it began -year with- 2 of the timelines on this. it began year with ian began last year with ian blackford_ began last year with ian blackford stepping down as the westminster— blackford stepping down as the westminster been westminster leader. he'd been a fendin— westminster leader. he'd been a familiar feature _ westminster leader. he'd been a familiar feature for— westminster leader. he'd been a familiar feature for a long dne. — familiar feature for a long done we— familiar feature for a long time. we then— familiar feature for a long time. we then of course, saw neon— time. we then of course, saw ddeodd—dnl nicola sturgeon resigning in february— nicola sturgeon resigning in february .— nicola sturgeon resigning in february . kate— nicola sturgeon resigning in february . kate forbes, who was february. kate forbes, who was bened— february. kate forbes, who was needed no— february. kate forbes, who was needed in de— february. kate forbes, who was beaten in the leadership contest,— beaten in the leadership contest, refusing a job, going to de— contest, refusing a job, going to the backbenches . the chief to the backbenches. the chief eede— to the backbenches. the chief executive, peter— to the backbenches. the chief executive, peter murrell, of course arrested _ executive, peter murrell, of course arrested and all sorts of questions— course arrested and all sorts of questions about— course arrested and all sorts of questions about the £107,000 dood— questions about the £107,000 dodn den— questions about the £107,000 dodn den ne— questions about the £107,000 loan that he made to the party. and— loan that he made to the party. and d— loan that he made to the party. and o redw— loan that he made to the party. and a really lovely £110,000 wond— and a really lovely £110,000 words of— and a really lovely £110,000 worth of campervan. well, that's been— worth of campervan. well, that's been impounded— worth of campervan. well, that's been impounded by the police. non— been impounded by the police. non ws— been impounded by the police. non n— been impounded by the police. that was in his— been impounded by the police. that was in his mother's front dnwe— that was in his mother's front dnwe .— that was in his mother's front dnwe . and— that was in his mother's front dnwe . and in— that was in his mother's front drive . and it goes— that was in his mother's front drive . and it goes on with drive. and it goes on with communications chief murray foot resigned— communications chief murray foot resddnnd doss— communications chief murray foot resigning last month . and really resigning last month. and really sddnneonw— resigning last month. and really sddnneonw ._ resigning last month. and really significantly i thought on april the significantly i thought on april nee dds— significantly i thought on april nee dds dee— significantly i thought on april the 7th, the accountants donnsdon — the 7th, the accountants johnston carmichael, who had been— johnston carmichael, who had been de— johnston carmichael, who had been the auditors, resigned . i been the auditors, resigned. i got been the auditors, resigned. i dod do— been the auditors, resigned. i got to ten— been the auditors, resigned. i don no new won,—

been the auditors, resigned. i got to tell you, folks, when won— got to tell you, folks, when your auditors— got to tell you, folks, when your auditors walk away, it cond— your auditors walk away, it eondd de— your auditors walk away, it could be that— your auditors walk away, it could be that something is and— could be that something is amiss. and today the treasurer, conn— amiss. and today the treasurer, colin beattie— amiss. and today the treasurer, colin beattie ,_ amiss. and today the treasurer, colin beattie , gets arrested. colin beattie, gets arrested. wen-s— colin beattie, gets arrested. what's behind— colin beattie, gets arrested. what's behind it all? well, it's a what's behind it all? well, it's o dds— what's behind it all? well, it's o n-s d— what's behind it all? well, it's a it's a scottish— what's behind it all? well, it's a it's a scottish police opendon— a it's a scottish police operation called branch form , operation called branch form, and— operation called branch form, and new-re— operation called branch form, and new-re n— operation called branch form, and they're in there investigating , quite rightly investigating, quite rightly possnde— investigating, quite rightly possible fund— investigating, quite rightly possible fund raising fraud wnnn— possible fund raising fraud wnnn dee— possible fund raising fraud within the snp . why? well . within the snp. why? well. eeeeess— within the snp. why? well. £666,953 had _ within the snp. why? well. £666,953 had been raised since zen.— £666,953 had been raised since 2017. specifically— £666,953 had been raised since 2017. specifically albie for a seond — 2017. specifically albie for a second independence referendum . second independence referendum. but second independence referendum. on n— second independence referendum. on in woods— second independence referendum. but it looks like— second independence referendum. but it looks like that money has been— but it looks like that money has been spen— but it looks like that money has been spent on— but it looks like that money has been spent on other activities. oner— been spent on other activities. dner db— been spent on other activities. after all, there— been spent on other activities. after all, there hasn't been a seond— after all, there hasn't been a second reform.— after all, there hasn't been a second reform. adam so the loan obso— second reform. adam so the loan dbso nob— second reform. adam so the loan ebso ebee ws— second reform. adam so the loan also that was made— second reform. adam so the loan also that was made 170,000, snobbe— also that was made 170,000, encoded by— also that was made 170,000, £170,000 by murrell. that was reboned— £170,000 by murrell. that was reboned debe— £170,000 by murrell. that was reported late to— £170,000 by murrell. that was reported late to elcombe some of it's reported late to elcombe some of n-s been— reported late to elcombe some of n-s been bedd— reported late to elcombe some of it's been paid back,— reported late to elcombe some of it's been paid back, some of it nose-e.— it's been paid back, some of it besn-e. n— it's been paid back, some of it besn-e. n bs— it's been paid back, some of it besn-e. n bs e— it's been paid back, some of it hasn't. it is a complete and ener— hasn't. it is a complete and been ess— hasn't. it is a complete and been .— hasn't. it is a complete and utter mess. i'm— hasn't. it is a complete and utter mess. i'm not going to bed— utter mess. i'm not going to bed you— utter mess. i'm not going to bed you on— utter mess. i'm not going to tell you on live— utter mess. i'm not going to tell you on live television wbere— tell you on live television wbere ._ tell you on live television where i think— tell you on live television where i think this will end beese— where i think this will end because that— where i think this will end because that might get me into very,— because that might get me into wen, wen— because that might get me into

en en red— because that might get me into very, very real trouble. let me newe— very, very real trouble. let me make you— very, very real trouble. let me make you e— very, very real trouble. let me make you a promise this ain't going— make you a promise this ain't done do— make you a promise this ain't dense be end— make you a promise this ain't going to end well— make you a promise this ain't going to end well . make you a promise this ain't going to end well. but make you a promise this ain't going to end well . but here's going to end well. but here's ene— going to end well. but here's the bone— going to end well. but here's the bone .— going to end well. but here's the point . the— going to end well. but here's the point . the scottish national the point. the scottish national party— the point. the scottish national bony beve— the point. the scottish national party have become i think, in ne— party have become i think, in the bends— party have become i think, in the minds of— party have become i think, in the minds of most of us, ebsobneew— the minds of most of us, absolutely synonymous with the eenbddn— absolutely synonymous with the eenbddn bor— absolutely synonymous with the campaign for scottish separation or seonbsb— campaign for scottish separation or scottish independence. wnebewer— or scottish independence. whichever word you prefer. and i wonde— whichever word you prefer. and i wonder whether, _ whichever word you prefer. and i wonder whether, given this party obbens— wonder whether, given this party obbens eo— wonder whether, given this party obbens be be— wonder whether, given this party obbens be be be— wonder whether, given this party appears to be in a— wonder whether, given this party appears to be in a tailspin, ebon— appears to be in a tailspin, not be— appears to be in a tailspin, not be bs— appears to be in a tailspin, that it is not— appears to be in a tailspin, that it is not going to come out of that it is not going to come out on dunno.— that it is not going to come out on dnbebw. ._ that it is not going to come out of quickly. i promise you nee-s— of quickly. i promise you there's worse— of quickly. i promise you there's worse to come. i wonder wbeeber— there's worse to come. i wonder wbeeber ene— there's worse to come. i wonder whether the campaign for seonbsb— whether the campaign for scottish separation is now eneeewew— scottish separation is now effectively over. give me your ebondbes— effectively over. give me your ebondbes .— effectively over. give me your thoughts . farage_ effectively over. give me your thoughts . farage at gb news .uk. thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. dow— thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. bow ne— thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. now non wen— thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. now i'm very pleased to say that absen— now i'm very pleased to say that austin sheridan,— now i'm very pleased to say that austin sheridan, a— now i'm very pleased to say that austin sheridan, a former snp obesdow— austin sheridan, a former snp obosdow dew— austin sheridan, a former snp glasgow city councillor , is glasgow city councillor, is breve— glasgow city councillor, is brave enough— glasgow city councillor, is brave enough to come on to defend— brave enough to come on to defend ene— brave enough to come on to defend the snp_ brave enough to come on to defend the snp austin. good evenne— defend the snp austin. good evened .— defend the snp austin. good evened . ne— defend the snp austin. good evening . ng your new leader evening. ng your new leader nonze— evening. ng your new leader humza yousaf— evening. ng your new leader humza yousaf .— evening. ng your new leader humza yousaf . he said he was the

humza yousaf. he said he was the eondnnnw— humza yousaf. he said he was the continuity candidate— humza yousaf. he said he was the continuity candidate . that continuity candidate. that doesn-e— continuity candidate. that doesn't look— continuity candidate. that doesn't look right at the minute to doesn't look right at the minute be be— doesn't look right at the minute be be e— doesn't look right at the minute be be e wen— doesn't look right at the minute to be a very wise— doesn't look right at the minute to be a very wise positioning, does— to be a very wise positioning, does n— to be a very wise positioning, does be — to be a very wise positioning, does it ? good— to be a very wise positioning, does it ? c: " g \. gt; does it? good evening nigel. what humza yousaf meant by being a continuity candidate is sticking the sticking with the progressive policies that the snp have been pursuing, which has allowed us to win election after election after election . after election after election. as you may be aware, the other candidates were offering different perspectives . they different perspectives. they were suggesting that we should move government in a different direction. candidates were direction. some candidates were suggesting that we should abandon the defence of scottish democracy and not fight westminster on the on the section 35, whereas for me, the snp has always been successful when we when we pursue progressive policies and when we robustly defend scottish democracy, it's a strategy that has worked for many years and i do not see why that that particular strategy would not work moving forward. what i would say for humza is he's had a very, very tough gig, and let's put it that way since he

became leader of the snp. i think that he's proven to be resilient and dealing with these matters. but yeah, i mean these are difficult times for the snp and, and there's no two ways of, of putting it that has been really, really difficult and the snp member these past few weeks . no absolutely but you talk ebon— no absolutely but you talk about progressive policies the sne— about progressive policies the snn dend— about progressive policies the snp doing well— about progressive policies the snp doing well with progressive policies-_ snp doing well with progressive bobdes. dow— snp doing well with progressive bobdes. bow .— snp doing well with progressive policies. now i know that this needed— policies. now i know that this financial scandal— policies. now i know that this financial scandal was bubbling ewew— financial scandal was bubbling ewew n— financial scandal was bubbling ewew be ene— financial scandal was bubbling away in the background, but downw— away in the background, but actually short— away in the background, but actually short term, the thing ebon— actually short term, the thing not needn— actually short term, the thing that brought sturgeon down after ten wens— that brought sturgeon down after ten wens ob— that brought sturgeon down after ten years of dominance and real donnenee— ten years of dominance and real donbnenee ob— ten years of dominance and real dominance of scottish politics ens— dominance of scottish politics was this absolutely crazy , easy, was this absolutely crazy, easy, gender— was this absolutely crazy, easy, gender wrecking— was this absolutely crazy, easy, gender wrecking emission bedsbedon— gender wrecking emission legislation. and when the seonbsb— legislation. and when the scottish people saw a double robbe— scottish people saw a double nbbsb owned— scottish people saw a double rapist turning up— scottish people saw a double rapist turning up in court in a wig— rapist turning up in court in a wig ,_ rapist turning up in court in a we , bend— rapist turning up in court in a wig , being convicted and being wig, being convicted and being seen— wig, being convicted and being seen no— wig, being convicted and being seen be e— wig, being convicted and being sent to a women's— wig, being convicted and being sent to a women's prison, they sadd— sent to a women's prison, they sebd enough.— sent to a women's prison, they said enough. and— sent to a women's prison, they said enough. and yet your leader has said enough. and yet your leader bes dedded— said enough. and yet your leader has decided he— said enough. and yet your leader has decided he wants to ebebbende— has decided he wants to challenge that decision that was deben— challenge that decision that was taken by— challenge that decision that was eeben by ene— challenge that decision that was taken by the british government in westminster. _ taken by the british government in westminster. he wants to go to

in westminster. he wants to go be seen— in westminster. he wants to go be seen end— in westminster. he wants to go to court and continue with the bobby— to court and continue with the bobbew .— to court and continue with the bobbew . .— to court and continue with the bobbew . . neon— to court and continue with the policy . i mean, isn't this policy. i mean, isn't this eonbbeee— policy. i mean, isn't this complete and- policy. i mean, isn't this complete and utter madness . complete and utter madness. weed.— complete and utter madness. new. den— complete and utter madness. new. for no— complete and utter madness. well, for me personally,- complete and utter madness. well, for me personally, nigel, i do support the gender recognition reform. so i speak from that position too. but in terms of the of the context, what's happened is the scottish parliament has legislated an an area that is devolved . the area that is devolved. the westminster government have decided to put in a section 35 to block that . the scottish to block that. the scottish government have since approached the secretary of state for scotland and the first for me to sit down to look at how we can look how we could amend the legislation, potentially how we can pass through parliament can pass it through parliament and everything's and where everything's acceptable thus far acceptable and thus far westminster have refused to do so. so the end of the day, so. so at the end of the day, whether albie, whether you agree with the issue or don't agree with the issue or don't agree with issue, have to with the issue, you have to separate to the point this separate the to the point this is actually about defending scotland, democracy, is actually about defending scoscottish democracy, is actually about defending scoscottish parliamentnocracy, is actually about defending scoscottish parliament has'acy, the scottish parliament has been debating for the best part debating this for the best part of years, longest that

of six years, the longest that any legislation has any piece of legislation has been since devolution in been debated since devolution in 1999 and then and then scottish msps and our parliament cross—party from all parties, imported this legislation through, including conservative members of the scottish parliament as well . and when it parliament as well. and when it comes to iowa, bryson, of course that that particular case is extremely concerning . there were extremely concerning. there were definitely mistakes made in the sense that that person was sent to a women's prison . i think it to a women's prison. i think it would be acceptable to say that that person may well be trying to use a trans to their advantage . but what i would also advantage. but what i would also say is that the vast majority of trans people are law abiding citizens and they should not pay the price of people, evil people like bryce. was that some of the way i can describe bryson is evil and the crimes were abhorrent. and i hope that they face the full extent of the law error. and it's a mistake . it's error. and it's a mistake. it's a error. and it's a mistake. it's e nbsbebe— error. and it's a mistake. it's a mistake. this— error. and it's a mistake. it's a mistake. this is— and it's a mistake. it's a mistake. this is exactly what you— a mistake. this is exactly what you deb. — a mistake. this is exactly what

you deb. absen— a mistake. this is exactly what you get. austin. i— a mistake. this is exactly what you get. austin. i can see webbe— you get. austin. i can see you're sticking— you get. austin. i can see you're sticking to your guns . i you're sticking to your guns. i get— you're sticking to your guns. i deb be— you're sticking to your guns. i owed bbe boob.— you're sticking to your guns. i get the logic. you've made the abdomen. — get the logic. you've made the abdomen. .— get the logic. you've made the argument. i thank— get the logic. you've made the argument. i thank you for joining— argument. i thank you for j'oining bs— argument. i thank you for joining us tonight on gb news. nonb— joining us tonight on gb news. bbenb won.— joining us tonight on gb news. thank you. denis— joining us tonight on gb news. thank you. denis healey famously sadd— thank you. denis healey famously once said, when— thank you. denis healey famously once said, when in— thank you. denis healey famously once said, when in a hole, stop digging-— once said, when in a hole, stop dddbd. and— once said, when in a hole, stop dddbd. and .— once said, when in a hole, stop digging. and i think that's what bbewbe— digging. and i think that's what bbewbe doing-— digging. and i think that's what they're doing. they're still digging-— they're doing. they're still digging- now,— they're doing. they're still digging. now, joining me, neale homew— digging. now, joining me, neale hanvevw ne— digging. now, joining me, neale nonvew, one for— digging. now, joining me, neale hanvey, mp for kirkcaldy and cowdenbeath_ hanvey, mp for kirkcaldy and cowdenbeath ,_ hanvey, mp for kirkcaldy and cowdenbeath , formerly of course cowdenbeath, formerly of course of cowdenbeath, formerly of course ob-sn — cowdenbeath, formerly of course ob-sn bob— cowdenbeath, formerly of course of-snp for many— cowdenbeath, formerly of course of snp for many years with of the snp for many years with the of the snp for many years with be sne— of the snp for many years with be snn .— of the snp for many years with be snn , ow— of the snp for many years with the snp , now with alex salmond's the snp, now with alex salmond's abbe— the snp, now with alex salmond's abbe bandw— the snp, now with alex salmond's abbe bonw. nee-s— the snp, now with alex salmond's alba party. here's the point . alba party. here's the point. bened— alba party. here's the point. bdben we— alba party. here's the point. when we had— alba party. here's the point. when we had brexit, we had concerns . natives and when we had brexit, we had concerns. natives and ukip, den-s— concerns. natives and ukip, den-s end— concerns. natives and ukip, ukip's and labour and the odd been— ukip's and labour and the odd been end— ukip's and labour and the odd green and the— ukip's and labour and the odd green and the odd liberal, and bere— green and the odd liberal, and ebebe ws— green and the odd liberal, and ebebe e— green and the odd liberal, and there was a coalition around the bdee— there was a coalition around the bdee we— there was a coalition around the idea we should— there was a coalition around the idea we should leave the european— idea we should leave the european union. i appeared on a snee— european union. i appeared on a seede wbb— european union. i appeared on a stage with george— european union. i appeared on a stage with george galloway. i nobodw— stage with george galloway. i mean, nobody would ever believe bee.— mean, nobody would ever believe bob. bende— mean, nobody would ever believe bob. wbee bs— mean, nobody would ever believe that. what is interesting about the that. what is interesting about be someone— that. what is interesting about the campaign for— that. what is interesting about the campaign for separation sneeb— the campaign for separation streak independence in scotland is streak independence in scotland bs bee— streak independence in scotland bs ebee b— streak independence in scotland is that it became— streak independence in scotland is that it became the snp and onw— is that it became the snp and onbw ene— is that it became the snp and onbw bbe sne— is that it became the snp and onbw bbe snn .— is that it became the snp and only the snp . yeah, that was only the snp. yeah, that was bdenbbed— only the snp. yeah, that was identified with— only the snp. yeah, that was identified with that issue . your identified with that issue. your old identified with that issue. your obd entw— identified with that issue. your odd bonw. n-s— identified with that issue. your old party- it's you— identified with that issue. your old party. it's you know it's got— old party. it's you know it's got dunner— old party. it's you know it's got further to _ old party. it's you know it's got further to go down in my

new— got further to go down in my .— got further to go down in my . bo— got further to go down in my . be won— got further to go down in my view . do you see— got further to go down in my view . do you see the logic of view. do you see the logic of be— view. do you see the logic of be abdomen— view. do you see the logic of the argument that with it goes beb— the argument that with it goes not someone— the argument that with it goes that campaign that you fought for so— that campaign that you fought for so nonw— that campaign that you fought for so many years and i understand— for so many years and i understand that the hope in our opponents— understand that the hope in our opponents beb— understand that the hope in our opponents that that's what bobbens— opponents that that's what bones but— opponents that that's what happens but that is, you know, nnonnnebe— happens but that is, you know, unfortunate albie— happens but that is, you know, unfortunate albie not going to be be— unfortunate albie not going to be be obse— unfortunate albie not going to be the case now. _ unfortunate albie not going to be the case now. e unfortunate albie not going to be the case now. 6 cc be the case now. it will be difficult for many people. the ongoing and escalating challenges that you know, those of us who are following this will be aware that there is yet more to come and none of it is good. but yes i mean the you know, the fundamental issue the point that you made is absolutely where the independence movement was at the end of the referendum. and that movement that rose up. and one of the darkest times imaginable after a defeat and so close. but yet so far and we galvanised and rallied behind the snp as the vehicle for independence. yes.

yes i mean, labour voters who devoured— yes i mean, labour voters who favoured that— yes i mean, labour voters who favoured that policy— “in; i mean, labour voters who favoured that policy came behind the favoured that policy came behind bbe sne— favoured that policy came behind bbe snn end— favoured that policy came behind the snp and the— favoured that policy came behind the snp and the problem was that dunne— the snp and the problem was that during be— the snp and the problem was that during the campaign that we had deben— during the campaign that we had bebon bob— during the campaign that we had labour for independence, we had been— labour for independence, we had been nonw— labour for independence, we had been new for— labour for independence, we had green party for independence bensbones— green party for independence pensioners, for— green party for independence pensioners, for independence , pensioners, for independence, lib pensioners, for independence, bbb bends— pensioners, for independence, bbb bens bob— pensioners, for independence, lib dems for independence. so bene— lib dems for independence. so bbebe wes— lib dems for independence. so there was that— lib dems for independence. so there was that broad - lib dems for independence. so there was that broad church and there was that broad church and the snp always has historically been a very broad church. it's been a very broad church. it's been one of its great strengths is that but the snp now after that referendum in 14 nine years ago yeah getting a long time ago yes indeed after that referendum effectively what happened was those groups all became the snp and for the last few years . and for the last few years. yeah. and i'll come to alba in a seond— yeah. and i'll come to alba in a seond beb— yeah. and i'll come to alba in a second but for— yeah. and i'll come to alba in a second but for the _ yeah. and i'll come to alba in a second but for the last few wees— second but for the last few wees b— second but for the last few wees it won— second but for the last few years, if you believe in seonbsb— years, if you believe in scottish separation, you are an snp.— scottish separation, you are an sne- b— scottish separation, you are an sne- it won— scottish separation, you are an snn it won benw— scottish separation, you are an snp. if your party key, your vende— snp. if your party key, your vehicle wants— snp. if your party key, your vehicle wants to- snp. if your party key, your vehicle wants to use that sebebedon— vehicle wants to use that separation line- vehicle wants to use that separation line to pass trans beebsbedon— separation line to pass trans legislation on— separation line to pass trans legislation on that 80% of scots don-b— legislation on that 80% of scots don-b edee— legislation on that 80% of scots don't agree with— legislation on that 80% of scots don't agree with 85% of scots, desbbe— don't agree with 85% of scots, despite whatever— don't agree with 85% of scots, despite whatever the parliament did. despite whatever the parliament dbd. vod— despite whatever the parliament dd. you know— despite whatever the parliament dd. you know .— despite whatever the parliament did. you know , can you see how did. you know, can you see how

be— did. you know, can you see how be bind— did. you know, can you see how be bbbd beb— did. you know, can you see how the thing that you— did. you know, can you see how the thing that you believed in for so— the thing that you believed in for so new— the thing that you believed in for so many years is in big nonbbee — for so many years is in big trouble? well,— for so many years is in big trouble? venice for so many years is in big trouble? well, you know, they need to be decoupled and they will be decoupled. and i think that as things are clarified in the coming weeks and months , i the coming weeks and months, i think there will probably be that spirit of galvanise and desire for independence will move away from the snp and back to the movement. we'll see that at the beginning of may when we have a march in glasgow organised by all under one bannen organised by all under one banner, which exactly that banner, which is exactly that broad that you were broad church that you were speaking of. but what i would say is the decision the say is that the decision for the snp be the single standard snp to be the single standard bearer was deliberate decision bearer was a deliberate decision and it was a decision that was taken by nicola sturgeon and i think what we've learned from thatis think what we've learned from that is that no one and no party is the independence movement. and so it's perhaps a very painful lesson , but it's an painful lesson, but it's an important lesson to the movement that we cannot allow that to happen again. we must ensure that that broad church is

reflected in the leadership of the movement and that will happen. nigel i mean, the desire for the support for the independence is plummeting after the snp is plummeting as is support, as is support for independence by alex salmond himself. your leader, your deeded— himself. your leader, your leader himself— himself. your leader, your leader himself .- " your leader, your leader himself . hang on, your leader himself. hang on, your deeded— leader himself. hang on, your leader himself— leader himself. hang on, your leader himself ,_ leader himself. hang on, your leader himself, in a speech leader himself. hang on, your leader himself , in a speech the leader himself, in a speech the ones— leader himself, in a speech the one dew— leader himself, in a speech the other day talked— leader himself, in a speech the other day talked about the fall in sudden— other day talked about the fall in sudden new— other day talked about the fall in support may damage the snp dobe— in support may damage the snp dobd b— in support may damage the snp were doing it but— in support may damage the snp were doing it but let's get beds— were doing it but let's get beds deb— were doing it but let's get beds get on— were doing it but let's get let's get on to— were doing it but let's get let's get on to alex salmond not not for— let's get on to alex salmond not not for independence i'll not for independence nigel i'll beve— not for independence nigel i'll have-dominant- not for independence nigel i'll have dominant big have to big dominant big donben— have to big dominant big dominant character yeah salman you know— dominant character yeah salman you know actually— you know actually got a bebsonebbw— you know actually got a personality key to most unusual in bombs— personality key to most unusual in bobbbs end— personality key to most unusual in politics and he'd been in a few— in politics and he'd been in a new bbobbens— in politics and he'd been in a few problems and a few scrapes end— few problems and a few scrapes end bere— few problems and a few scrapes and there were— few problems and a few scrapes and there were a— few problems and a few scrapes and there were a tough time. how is b— and there were a tough time. how is b be— and there were a tough time. how is b be be-s— and there were a tough time. how is it that he's not— and there were a tough time. how is it that he's not been able to get— is it that he's not been able to bed abbe— is it that he's not been able to get abbe ob— is it that he's not been able to get alba off the _ is it that he's not been able to get alba off the ground in the way— get alba off the ground in the wew beb— get alba off the ground in the wew bbeb be-d— get alba off the ground in the way that he'd hoped? well i .— way that he'd hoped? well i mean, i think— way that he'd hoped? well i mean, i think we were stymied , mean, i think we were stymied, nnfobnnedebw— mean, i think we were stymied, unfortunately, by— mean, i think we were stymied, unfortunately, by a decision be— unfortunately, by a decision that nicola— unfortunately, by a decision that nicola sturgeon took in the 21 that nicola sturgeon took in the 2b denebeb— that nicola sturgeon took in the 21 general election in scotland, wbbb— 21 general election in scotland, wbbb wes— 21 general election in scotland, wbbb bo— 21 general election in scotland, which was to give— 21 general election in scotland, which was to give your second vote— which was to give your second vote to— which was to give your second vote to be— which was to give your second vote to the snp_

which was to give your second vote to the snp ,_ which was to give your second vote to the snp , which vote to the snp, which effectively _ vote to the snp, which effectively would be a wasted vote— effectively would be a wasted vote wben— effectively would be a wasted vote when they— effectively would be a wasted vote when they were performing so sttondtw— vote when they were performing so snondw b— vote when they were performing so strongly in the— vote when they were performing so strongly in the constituency votes— so strongly in the constituency votes . — so strongly in the constituency votes . and— so strongly in the constituency votes . and what— so strongly in the constituency votes . and what that- so strongly in the constituency votes . ' votes. and what that enabled favoured was the unionist parties coming in on the list which is, you know, the make up of the current scottish parliament. now you know, there's very little value in me speculating on her reasons for that. but just from a the perspective as an independent supporter, it was a really foolish move because cause we would have had an absolutely galvanised independent, would have had an absolutely galvanised independent , focussed galvanised independent, focussed scottish parliament and that would only have strengthened the voice of the movement , not just voice of the movement, not just nationally but also internationally . and i think internationally. and i think that i think the influence of personality , personality is personality, personality is important, but when one person's wish is dictate what happens in a movement, you know what? it's not a good thing. it happens all through history. oh, it does.

it's never good and it's never good. final thought. you've got incredible devolved powers. you know, scotland is you know, scotland is self—governing in know, scotland is self—governing be e— know, scotland is self—governing be e wen— know, scotland is self—governing be e vetw wtde— know, scotland is self—governing in a very wide range of areas as but— in a very wide range of areas as but bet-s— in a very wide range of areas as but tet-s be— in a very wide range of areas as but let's be honest— in a very wide range of areas as but let's be honest , there's not but let's be honest, there's not going— but let's be honest, there's not done to— but let's be honest, there's not done to be— but let's be honest, there's not done to be e— but let's be honest, there's not going to be a second referendum on seotttsb— going to be a second referendum on scottish separation for a tone— on scottish separation for a bond tbne— on scottish separation for a long time now,— on scottish separation for a long time now, is there? bodice long time now, is there? well, tn— long time now, is there? well, tn unbe— long time now, is there? well, i'm unlike many— long time now, is there? well, i'm unlike many other people. i am not completely wedded to the idea that a referendum is the only democratic vehicle by which you can you can establish a desire for. yeah, for self—governance , ordnance. you self—governance, ordnance. you know, there are other ways and means to bring the focus on the wishes of the population . and wishes of the population. and thatis wishes of the population. and that is , in essence, the most that is, in essence, the most important thing, that there is a democratic process , whatever democratic process, whatever that may be. well, there's a deeper— that may be. well, there's a deeper edende— that may be. well, there's a deeper agenda here. - well, there's a deeper agenda here. we're going to debt— deeper agenda here. we're going to debt b.— deeper agenda here. we're going to debt t. tt— deeper agenda here. we're going to drill it. it sounds quite sbtstet— to drill it. it sounds quite sinister to— to drill it. it sounds quite sinister to me.— to drill it. it sounds quite sinister to me. no, not at all. were— sinister to me. no, not at all. were dobe— sinister to me. no, not at all. were done to— sinister to me. no, not at all. we're going to drill into it one dew.— we're going to drill into it one dew-bett— we're going to drill into it one day. .neil albie,- we're going to drill into it one day. neil albie, thank you day. but neil albie, thank you very— day. but neil albie, thank you vetw-bdeed— day. but neil albie, thank you very indeed joining me. very much indeed forjoining me. now:— very much indeed forjoining me. bow-nomen— very much indeed forjoining me. now, moment, we're going to now, in a moment, we're going to tett— now, in a moment, we're going to tett ebont— now, in a moment, we're going to tett ebont end— now, in a moment, we're going to talk about and this—

now, in a moment, we're going to talk about and this will be sent— talk about and this will be sent-bew- talk about and this will be- saint- day. . happens saint george's day. it happens beese— saint george's day. it happens beese tt-s— saint george's day. it happens because it's this— saint george's day. it happens because it's this sunday, the bobbe— because it's this sunday, the mobile-alert.- because it's this sunday, the mobile-alert. is- because it's this sunday, the mobile alert. is it mobile phone alert. is it desbebte— mobile phone alert. is it desirable ?_ mobile phone alert. is it desirable ? is— mobile phone alert. is it desirable ? is it good? is it the desirable? is it good? is it the debt— desirable? is it good? is it the debt tbbd— desirable? is it good? is it the debt tbbo ot— desirable? is it good? is it the right thing or is— desirable? is it good? is it the right thing or is it— desirable? is it good? is it the right thing or is it something government— right thing or is it something government could use future? government could use in future? it's government could use in future? tt-s wen— government could use in future? tt-s vetw .— government could use in future? tt-s vetw , wen— government could use in future? tt-s vetw , vetw bot— government could use in future? it's very , very hot today. it's it's very, very hot today. it's going— it's very, very hot today. it's going to— it's very, very hot today. it's going to be— it's very, very hot today. it's going to be be— it's very, very hot today. it's going to be 38 degrees. don't teete— going to be 38 degrees. don't teewe won— going to be 38 degrees. don't leave your house— going to be 38 degrees. don't leave your house is this another etenston— leave your house is this another etenston ot— leave your house is this another extension of government into our tbese— extension of government into our tbese bedd— extension of government into our tbese bontd we— extension of government into our lives? could we even have matt neneoeb— lives? could we even have matt neneoet beet— lives? could we even have matt hancock back telling us to not teete— hancock back telling us to not leave our houses?— hancock back telling us to not leave our houses? all of that in a leave our houses? all of that in e eonbte— leave our houses? all of that in e eonbte ot— leave our houses? all of that in a couple of minutes .

indeed for your listening to gb newsroom radio . this sunday. newsroom radio. this sunday. yes, it's the english national day,— yes, it's the english national bew, not— yes, it's the english national bew, not tbet— yes, it's the english national day, not that really anybody in nestnbstet— day, not that really anybody in westminster or— day, not that really anybody in westminster or the british government— westminster or the british government takes that terribly senonstw. — government takes that terribly seriously. they're— government takes that terribly seriously. they're almost embarrassed— seriously. they're almost embarrassed both parties, i tbbb— embarrassed both parties, i tbbb to— embarrassed both parties, i think, to ever— embarrassed both parties, i think, to ever express any view ebont— think, to ever express any view about englishness_ think, to ever express any view about englishness as possibly being— about englishness as possibly bebd e— about englishness as possibly being e dood— about englishness as possibly being a good thing. but they're going— being a good thing. but they're bond to— being a good thing. but they're going to send— being a good thing. but they're going to send you— being a good thing. but they're going to send you a message on a mobbe— going to send you a message on a nobtte onene— going to send you a message on a mobile phone. and— going to send you a message on a mobile phone. and i— going to send you a message on a mobile phone. and i bet many of you mobile phone. and i bet many of woe don-t— mobile phone. and i bet many of woe dont teettw— mobile phone. and i bet many of

you don't really know very much ebont— you don't really know very much ebontlso— you don't really know very much about-so let's— you don't really know very much about-so let's find- you don't really know very much about so let's find out what about it. so let's find out what is about it. so let's find out what ts btenned— about it. so let's find out what ts btenned .— about it. so let's find out what ts btenned . wbw— about it. so let's find out what is planned . why could it be is planned. why could it be a deed— is planned. why could it be a good tbbde— is planned. why could it be a good thing? could it be a bad tbbde— good thing? could it be a bad tbbde and— good thing? could it be a bad thing? and i'm— good thing? could it be a bad thing? and i'm joined by betotbte— thing? and i'm joined by caroline abrahams , charity caroline abrahams, charity dbeetot— caroline abrahams, charity dbeetot ot— caroline abrahams, charity director of age— caroline abrahams, charity director of age uk . caroline, director of age uk. caroline, dood— director of age uk. caroline, oood evened.— director of age uk. caroline, good evening. welcome to the program-— good evening. welcome to the brooten. tennw— good evening. welcome to the program. jenny, what's interesting— program. jenny, what's interesting about this, i think tbete-s— interesting about this, i think tbete-s e— interesting about this, i think tbete-s e deeb— interesting about this, i think there's a deep sea of ignorance. a tot— there's a deep sea of ignorance. a tot ot— there's a deep sea of ignorance. a tot ot beobte— there's a deep sea of ignorance. a lot of people don't even know wbet— a lot of people don't even know wbet ts— a lot of people don't even know wbet ts ebont— a lot of people don't even know what is about to— a lot of people don't even know what is about to happen. so can you— what is about to happen. so can won stere— what is about to happen. so can won sbete tb— what is about to happen. so can you share it, please— what is about to happen. so can you share it, please , with you share it, please, with everybody?— you share it, please, with everybody? yes. yes " everybody? yes. yes i mean, i'm not from the government of course, but as my understanding is, at 3:00 on sunday afternoon , a message is going to be sent to every uk mobile phone that i presume some will be missed. but basically we should all expect to get a message which which we don't have to do anything about except swipe it away. apparently and it's just a test. it's a test for a national alert system , which apparently they have in some other countries . but we've some other countries. but we've never had yet in this country. and it's case there's a flood and it's in case there's a flood or a national emergency or in

these deeply uncertain times, some foreign government wants to do something nasty to us. and they need to get a message out to everybody, all at the same time quickly. so just time quite quickly. so it's just a of and that's it. a test of that. and that's it. but i think, as you say , nigel, but i think, as you say, nigel, quite few people aren't quite quite a few people aren't quite sure it or haven't heard sure about it or haven't heard about it yet . well, i do wonder about it yet. well, i do wonder tboneb— about it yet. well, i do wonder thought tbete— about it yet. well, i do wonder though, there could— e «tile well, i do wonder though, there could be quite a lot though, there could be quite a tot ot— though, there could be quite a lot of pensioners— though, there could be quite a lot of pensioners in the country tbet— lot of pensioners in the country tbet don-t— lot of pensioners in the country that don't know— lot of pensioners in the country that don't know anything about it that don't know anything about tt wbe— that don't know anything about tt wbo bedd— that don't know anything about it who could be— that don't know anything about it who could be rather alarmed by it who could be rather alarmed bw tbts— it who could be rather alarmed bw tbts notse— it who could be rather alarmed by this noise they— it who could be rather alarmed by this noise they receive at bebo— by this noise they receive at otbb on— by this noise they receive at 3:00 on sunday— by this noise they receive at 3:00 on sunday after noon. do you— 3:00 on sunday after noon. do won-do— 3:00 on sunday after noon. do won-do won— 3:00 on sunday after noon. do you-do you think- 3:00 on sunday after noon. do you do you think this you think do you think this bond— you think do you think this eontd bene— you think do you think this could panic some people? i think beobte— could panic some people? i think some people might be a bit snbnsed— some people might be a bit snbnsed . — some people might be a bit surprised . and— some people might be a bit surprised . ' t: g some people might be a bit- surprised . and although personal surprised. and although personal , i would have thought that the people most likely to be surprised either probably haven't got a mobile phone at all or keep it switched off in a drawer i think older people are drawer. i think older people are more inclined. obviously, some older people are on their phones all the time, just like 16 year olds. but a lot of older people use their mobile phone more like a i think. so a traditional phone. i think. so they notice it,

they may just not notice it, actually. but for other people, yeah, course may be yeah, of course they may be slightly surprised. and i just hopein slightly surprised. and i just hope in the few days that we've got now and sunday, got now between now and sunday, that ramp up that the government does ramp up its to and the its efforts to try and get the message across , because i think message across, because i think if they're going to do this, which have objection to, which i have no objection to, also responsibility also their responsibility to make aren't taken make sure people aren't taken by, know, unawares by it. so by, you know, unawares by it. so that means using all the channels at their disposal to get the message across . well, i get the message across. well, i think , to be honest,— get the message across. well, i think , to be honest, the- think, to be honest, the government— think, to be honest, the government advertising of this has government advertising of this bes been— government advertising of this bes been bettw— government advertising of this has been pretty paltry. now as sonebodw— has been pretty paltry. now as somebody representing you know, age somebody representing you know, ede db,— somebody representing you know, ede db, do— somebody representing you know, eoe db, do web— somebody representing you know, age uk, do you see— somebody representing you know, age uk, do you see potential dood— age uk, do you see potential oood ses— age uk, do you see potential oood tot— age uk, do you see potential good uses for this? are there wews— good uses for this? are there wews b— good uses for this? are there wews b when— good uses for this? are there ways in which you think in the tetne— ways in which you think in the tntne tbts— ways in which you think in the future this could— ways in which you think in the future this could be used and bond— future this could be used and eontd be— future this could be used and could be helpful? “43?“ cc» could be helpful? yeah, i do eoteettw— could be helpful? yeah, i do actually. i think with the climate as uncertain as it is, we've had some pretty bad floods, haven't we, in recent years ? now, whether every older years? now, whether every older person is actually going to spot a message on a mobile phone is a bit open to doubt because obviously a lot of older people don't have them or don't use them very often . so it may not

them very often. so it may not be the best mechanism for getting the message across because it still a digital because it is still a digital mechanism and we know lots of older people aren't digitally included. know, face to included. so, you know, face to face, the knock on the door is still going to be really important. but perhaps their important. but perhaps if their neighbour and neighbour has a mobile phone and there's important that there's something important that they round and knock on they will go round and knock on they will go round and knock on the so actually i, you the door. so actually i, you know, i hope it never has be know, i hope it never has to be used. of course we all do. but i don't see any any harm in having that. other countries are that. but other countries are trying it as well . caroline trying it as well. caroline thank you very much indeed for joining us. and for explaining to us— joining us. and for explaining to us wbet-s— joining us. and for explaining to us what's actually- " g and for explaining to us what's actually going to bebben— to us what's actually going to bebben end— to us what's actually going to happen and what the potential dood— happen and what the potential oood ses— happen and what the potential good uses might— happen and what the potential good uses might be. well, let's good uses might be. well, let's do ow— good uses might be. well, let's do to— good uses might be. well, let's go now to andrew— good uses might be. well, let's go now to andrew allison , chief go now to andrew allison, chief eeute — go now to andrew allison, chief eeute ot— go now to andrew allison, chief executive of the _ go now to andrew allison, chief executive of the freedom association _ executive of the freedom association .— executive of the freedom association . andrew, the fact association. andrew, the fact tbet— association. andrew, the fact tbet otbet— association. andrew, the fact that other governments have used sbbttet— that other governments have used similar methods— that other governments have used similar methods doesn't mean neeessentw— similar methods doesn't mean necessarily that— similar methods doesn't mean necessarily that we should be done— necessarily that we should be done tbts— necessarily that we should be doing tbts .— necessarily that we should be doing this . who— necessarily that we should be doing this . who gave the doing this. who gave the government— doing this. who gave the government our mobile phone nunbetse—

government our mobile phone nunbetse — government our mobile phone numbers? well,— government our mobile phone numbers? eunice government our mobile phone numbers? well, that's a very good question, isn't it? nigel i think someone in government bes— i think someone in government bes dedded— i think someone in government has decided that— i think someone in government has decided that it has the bee— has decided that it has the bowe tbe— has decided that it has the power, the capability to be able to do— power, the capability to be able to do tbts— power, the capability to be able to do this sort— power, the capability to be able to do this sort of— power, the capability to be able to do this sort of thing. so bet-s— to do this sort of thing. so bet-s be— to do this sort of thing. so let's go ahead— to do this sort of thing. so let's go ahead and- to do this sort of thing. so let's go ahead and do it. but i really can't see the point of it. i mean, when it comes to bad weather, i would imagine that the majority of gb news viewers who smartphones probably who have smartphones probably have phone have weather app on their phone anyway. find out these anyway. and we find out these things find out through things also find out through weather on television weather alerts on television stations, radio stations, through radio stations. really can't even stations. so i really can't even see a practical use for this at all. but it does make me wonder why the government has decided that this really a good idea, that this really is a good idea, because we weren't really talking about this a few months ago, were we? no, we weren't. but— ago, were we? no, we weren't. but t— ago, were we? no, we weren't. but t meen— ago, were we? no, we weren't. but t .— ago, were we? no, we weren't. but i mean , think— g uzbz; , no, we weren't. but i mean , think about g uzrtz; , no, we weren't. but i mean , think about it, but i mean, think about it, andrew. — but i mean, think about it, andrew. .could- but i mean, think about it, andrew. could enormous andrew. it could be enormous usetub— andrew. it could be enormous usetut. bet-s— andrew. it could be enormous useful. let's-we- andrew. it could be enormous useful. let's we have to useful. let's say we have to beve— useful. let's say we have to have another— useful. let's say we have to have another lockdown . i mean, have another lockdown. i mean, tbew— have another lockdown. i mean, tbew boutd— have another lockdown. i mean, they could even— have another lockdown. i mean, they could even use , could they they could even use, could they not:— they could even use, could they not, even— they could even use, could they mot, oben tbet— they could even use, could they not, given that they've got our bbone — not, given that they've got our phone numbers— not, given that they've got our phone numbers now, they could even use geo locators to see if we-d— even use geo locators to see if we-d done— even use geo locators to see if we-d gone too— even use geo locators to see if we'd gone too far— even use geo locators to see if we'd gone too far away from our bouses — we'd gone too far away from our bouses bes.— we'd gone too far away from our houses. yes. well— we'd gone too far away from our houses. yes. well that is that is houses. yes. well that is that ts tbe— houses. yes. well that is that ts tbe teet— houses. yes. well that is that ts tbe teet . — houses. yes. well that is that is the fear. they- houses. yes. well that is that is the fear . "a; f: 03

houses. yes. well that is that is the fear. "a; f: 03 e is the fear. they could do it for those particular purposes. i mean , i understand that when mean, i understand that when that alert comes through to your mobile phone at 3:00 on sunday afternoon , your phone is afternoon, your phone is basically disabled until you do swipe off that message . erg now, swipe off that message. erg now, could the government in future to control well, maybe not control mobile phones , but block control mobile phones, but block mobile phones for specific people because they're they think they're breaking the law in a pandemic situation? i mean , these are the things that we don't know. i don't want to go into the realms of science fiction, but i'm always wary of government mission creep, because the power because once they have the power to do something, then they seem to do something, then they seem to power to do to have the power to do something and so it goes something else. and so it goes on. so andrew, tell will you on. so andrew, tell me, will you be disabling your phone on sunday to block this message or are you happy to receive it? either receive it. what i be doing is blocking emergency messages after sunday because i actually want to see what this is like. otherwise i can't really comment on it it really comment on it on it unless i actually know what it's like. after be

like. but after that i'll be blocking it. okay. andrew atttson— blocking it. okay. andrew allison, thank— blocking it. okay. andrew allison, thank you - f g e okay. andrew allison, thank you very much mdeed— allison, thank you very much tndeed tot— allison, thank you very much indeed for sharing with us what ot— indeed for sharing with us what ot tbe— indeed for sharing with us what some of the potential dangers of this some of the potential dangers of tbts mtdbt— some of the potential dangers of tbts mtdbt be— some of the potential dangers of this might be for— some of the potential dangers of this might be for folks. i have to sew— this might be for folks. i have to sew to— this might be for folks. i have to sew to wou— this might be for folks. i have to say to you, after what they dtd — to say to you, after what they dtd to — to say to you, after what they dtd to us— to say to you, after what they did to us repeatedly with lockdowns _ did to us repeatedly with lockdowns ,_ did to us repeatedly with lockdowns , after the sort of lockdowns, after the sort of better— lockdowns, after the sort of rather hysterical— lockdowns, after the sort of rather hysterical warnings we bed— rather hysterical warnings we bed wben— rather hysterical warnings we had when there— rather hysterical warnings we had when there was a very hot eoubte— had when there was a very hot eoubte ot— had when there was a very hot eoubte ot dews— had when there was a very hot couple of days last summer , i couple of days last summer, i tbts— couple of days last summer, i can see this potentially being used— can see this potentially being used bw— can see this potentially being used by governments again and edem— used by governments again and edem end— used by governments again and eoem end edem— used by governments again and again and again to send us messeeds to— again and again to send us messages to tell us to do mods.— messages to tell us to do tbmos. et— messages to tell us to do things. of course , yes, it'll things. of course, yes, it'll ebb— things. of course, yes, it'll ett be— things. of course, yes, it'll ett be tot— things. of course, yes, it'll all be for our— things. of course, yes, it'll all be for our own good . as all be for our own good. as government— all be for our own good. as government gets bigger, it etwews— government gets bigger, it etwews ts— government gets bigger, it always is until— government gets bigger, it always is until somebody really tb— always is until somebody really misuses it, like— always is until somebody really misuses it, like they misuse tbet— misuses it, like they misuse tbet bower— misuses it, like they misuse that power during lockdown . it's that power during lockdown. it's not tot— that power during lockdown. it's not to me— that power during lockdown. it's not to me to— that power during lockdown. it's not for me to tell— that power during lockdown. it's not for me to tell you how to dtsebte— not for me to tell you how to dtsebte wou— not for me to tell you how to disable your phone to stop oettmd— disable your phone to stop getting those— disable your phone to stop getting those emergency messages or tbts— getting those emergency messages or tbts one— getting those emergency messages or tbts m— getting those emergency messages or this one in particular. but if or this one in particular. but b wou— or this one in particular. but b wou wented— or this one in particular. but if you wanted to— or this one in particular. but if you wanted to and if you were webbed— if you wanted to and if you were worried about— if you wanted to and if you were worried about it,— if you wanted to and if you were worried about it, if— if you wanted to and if you were worried about it, if you did teet— worried about it, if you did teet stonew— worried about it, if you did feel strongly, you could always go feel strongly, you could always do to— feel strongly, you could always do to tbe— feel strongly, you could always 90 to tbe betw— feel strongly, you could always go to the daily mail website. and— go to the daily mail website. and tbew— go to the daily mail website. and tbew ee— go to the daily mail website. and they are taking a very, very strong— and they are taking a very, very strong wew— and they are taking a very, very strong on— and they are taking a very, very strong view on this. my view,

verv— strong view on this. my view, vetw stmbte— strong view on this. my view, vetw stmbte .— strong view on this. my view, vetw stmbte . t— strong view on this. my view, very simple . i just don't trust very simple. i just don't trust tbem. — very simple. i just don't trust tbem. tt— very simple. i just don't trust tbem. tt ts— very simple. i just don't trust tbem. tt ts bw— very simple. i just don't trust them. it is by far— very simple. i just don't trust them. it is by far the safest tbmd— them. it is by far the safest tbmd to— them. it is by far the safest tbmo to do— them. it is by far the safest thing to do now— them. it is by far the safest thing to do now . they are the thing to do now. they are the netsb— thing to do now. they are the welsh government really . are welsh government really. are tbew— welsh government really. are tbew teettw— welsh government really. are they really going to give child eswtum— they really going to give child asylum seekers— they really going to give child asylum seekers that crossed the tndttsb — asylum seekers that crossed the english channel— asylum seekers that crossed the english channel on their 18th btnbdew— english channel on their 18th btnbdew ub— english channel on their 18th btnbdew up to— english channel on their 18th birthday up to £1,600 a month in benefits— birthday up to £1,600 a month in benettts .— birthday up to £1,600 a month in benettts , btus— birthday up to £1,600 a month in benefits , plus legal aid to benefits, plus legal aid to debt— benefits, plus legal aid to fight deportation cases ? surely fight deportation cases? surely this fight deportation cases? surely tbts bent— fight deportation cases? surely tbts bent be— fight deportation cases? surely this can't be true— fight deportation cases? surely this can't be true ? surely it this can't be true? surely it must— this can't be true? surely it must be— this can't be true? surely it must be tbe— this can't be true? surely it must be the 1st— this can't be true? surely it must be the 1st of april. it's not— must be the 1st of april. it's not bosstbte— must be the 1st of april. it's not possible .— must be the 1st of april. it's not possible . nobody, not even not possible. nobody, not even the not possible. nobody, not even tbe netsb— not possible. nobody, not even the welsh government , surely the welsh government, surely boutd— the welsh government, surely boutd be— the welsh government, surely could be that— the welsh government, surely could be that mad. in a moment, i'll could be that mad. in a moment, ttt tett— could be that mad. in a moment, ttt tett wou— could be that mad. in a moment, ttt tett wou .—

on gb news. the cit \ the people's tzt" [15 \t the people's . on gb news. the people's. bbemet— on gb news. the people's. bbemet so— on gb news. the people's. channel so some- on gb news. the people's. channel so some of- cit \ the people's. channel so some of your thoughts or ts— channel so some of your thoughts or ts tbe— channel so some of your thoughts or is the campaign— channel so some of your thoughts or is the campaign for scottish sebetetton— or is the campaign for scottish separation going— or is the campaign for scottish separation going down the tubes etond— separation going down the tubes etond wttb— separation going down the tubes etono wttb tbe— separation going down the tubes along with the snp as a dotted— along with the snp as a political party? stewart says if it political party? stewart says if tt ts— political party? stewart says if tt ts bt— political party? stewart says if

tt ts tt wttb— political party? stewart says if it is, it will raise— political party? stewart says if it is, it will raise its head edem— it is, it will raise its head eoem — it is, it will raise its head again soon. simon says that's for again soon. simon says that's tot tbe— again soon. simon says that's tot tbe beobte— again soon. simon says that's for the people of— again soon. simon says that's for the people of scotland to dedde— for the people of scotland to dedde, not— for the people of scotland to decide, not you. _ for the people of scotland to decide, not you. well, yes. stmon— decide, not you. well, yes. stmon we— decide, not you. well, yes. simon, we know that, but we are ettowed— simon, we know that, but we are ettowed to— simon, we know that, but we are allowed to speculate. and after all, allowed to speculate. and after .t, dt— allowed to speculate. and after .t, tt does— allowed to speculate. and after all, it does affect— allowed to speculate. and after all, it does affect us in quite all, it does affect us in quite e be— all, it does affect us in quite e big wave— all, it does affect us in quite e big wew, too— all, it does affect us in quite ebto wew, too .— all, it does affect us in quite a big way, too . ryan says, yes, a big way, too. ryan says, yes, tbe— a big way, too. ryan says, yes, tbe bound— a big way, too. ryan says, yes, tbe bottmo ts— a big way, too. ryan says, yes, the polling is certainly moving in the polling is certainly moving tn tbet— the polling is certainly moving in that direction.— the polling is certainly moving in that direction. i'd have to say— in that direction. i'd have to sew tm— in that direction. i'd have to say i'm thoroughly enjoying the mettdown— say i'm thoroughly enjoying the mettdown ot— say i'm thoroughly enjoying the meltdown of the— say i'm thoroughly enjoying the meltdown of the snp. the likely bw—eteetton— meltdown of the snp. the likely by—election will— meltdown of the snp. the likely by—election will be interesting end— by—election will be interesting end wbet— by—election will be interesting and what ryan's— by—election will be interesting and what ryan's referring to is , ts— and what ryan's referring to is , ts e— and what ryan's referring to is , ts e tot— and what ryan's referring to is , ts e tot ot— and what ryan's referring to is , is a lot of nicola— and what ryan's referring to is , is a lot of nicola sturgeon's etosest— , is a lot of nicola sturgeon's closest supporters feel that her eteme— closest supporters feel that her eteme teem — closest supporters feel that her extreme team secrecy and indeed her extreme team secrecy and indeed be tettmd— extreme team secrecy and indeed be tettmd tbe— extreme team secrecy and indeed her telling the executive of the sur— her telling the executive of the sub br— her telling the executive of the sure be zozt— her telling the executive of the snp in 2021 that— her telling the executive of the snp in 2021 that there were no tmendet— snp in 2021 that there were no financial problems. a lot of her etosest— financial problems. a lot of her closest allies— financial problems. a lot of her closest allies are— financial problems. a lot of her closest allies are feeling that sne— closest allies are feeling that sbe mew— closest allies are feeling that sbe mew wett— closest allies are feeling that she may well have deceived them. she she may well have deceived them. sbe wst— she may well have deceived them. sbe wst et— she may well have deceived them. she wasn't at holyrood over the ot tbe— she wasn't at holyrood over the course of the last— she wasn't at holyrood over the course of the last couple of dews— course of the last couple of dews end— course of the last couple of days, and there— course of the last couple of days, and there is considerable sbeeutetton— days, and there is considerable speculation that— days, and there is considerable speculation that she will stand down— speculation that she will stand down es— speculation that she will stand down es e— speculation that she will stand down as a member of the scottish rerttement. — down as a member of the scottish parliament. we'll— down as a member of the scottish parliament. we'll see. sean says it parliament. we'll see. sean says tt wttb— parliament. we'll see. sean says tt wttt beer— parliament. we'll see. sean says it will never be— parliament. we'll see. sean says it will never be over. another sews— it will never be over. another viewer says we— it will never be over. another viewer says we can only hope now

. tbts— viewer says we can only hope now . tbts ts— viewer says we can only hope now . tbts ts trutw— viewer says we can only hope now . this is truly extraordinary . . this is truly extraordinary. and— . this is truly extraordinary. and t— . this is truly extraordinary. and t beve— . this is truly extraordinary. and i have to— . this is truly extraordinary. and i have to say, first nmtster— and i have to say, first minister mark drakeford is the most— minister mark drakeford is the most extraordinary leader of bees. — most extraordinary leader of bees. but— most extraordinary leader of wales. but this— most extraordinary leader of wales. but this proposal and it's wales. but this proposal and tt-s been— wales. but this proposal and tt-s been but— wales. but this proposal and it's been put forward by three netsb— it's been put forward by three welsh labour— it's been put forward by three welsh labour ministers, jane butt,— welsh labour ministers, jane nutttutte— welsh labour ministers, jane hutt, julie morgan and mick antbonw— hutt, julie morgan and mick antbonw end— hutt, julie morgan and mick anthony and it— hutt, julie morgan and mick anthony and it is that child mtdrents— anthony and it is that child migrants who— anthony and it is that child migrants who arrive across the robust — migrants who arrive across the english channel— migrants who arrive across the english channel once they turn engliin channel once they turn 18, english channel once they turn to, tbew— english channel once they turn 18, they should— english channel once they turn 18, they should be able to claim up to— 18, they should be able to claim up to adobe— 18, they should be able to claim up to abbbb e— 18, they should be able to claim up to £1,600 a month in benefits end— up to £1,600 a month in benefits end etso— up to £1,600 a month in benefits end etso on— up to £1,600 a month in benefits end etso on tob— up to £1,600 a month in benefits and also on top of— up to £1,600 a month in benefits and also on top of that , to get and also on top of that, to get beget— and also on top of that, to get tedet edd— and also on top of that, to get teoet etd to— and also on top of that, to get legal aid to fight— and also on top of that, to get legal aid to fight any potential debortetton— legal aid to fight any potential deportation cases, it seems to me— deportation cases, it seems to me to— deportation cases, it seems to me to be— deportation cases, it seems to me to be tbe— deportation cases, it seems to me to be the most mad thing i've beerd— me to be the most mad thing i've beerd m— me to be the most mad thing i've ever heard in my— me to be the most mad thing i've ever heard in my life. if it was to between— ever heard in my life. if it was to bebben tben— ever heard in my life. if it was to happen, then we'd see much btdder— to happen, then we'd see much btooer beets— to happen, then we'd see much bigger boats dropping people off in bigger boats dropping people off tn berdbt— bigger boats dropping people off tn berdbt bew— bigger boats dropping people off in cardiff bay rather than worrwmo— in cardiff bay rather than worrying about the straits of bowe— worrying about the straits of bowe but— worrying about the straits of dover. but is— worrying about the straits of dover. but is it— worrying about the straits of dover. but is it really true? netb— dover. but is it really true? well, darren— dover. but is it really true? well, darren miller is a conservative— well, darren miller is a conservative ms from clwyd west

. bened— conservative ms from clwyd west . benen t— conservative ms from clwyd west . darren i really— conservative ms from clwyd west . darren i really did— conservative ms from clwyd west . darren i really did wonder wbetber— . darren i really did wonder whether this— . darren i really did wonder whether this was an april fool . whether this was an april fool. bur— whether this was an april fool. our drakeford— whether this was an april fool. our drakeford and— whether this was an april fool. our drakeford and the gang reettw— our drakeford and the gang really proposing to do this . really proposing to do this. netb— really proposing to do this. wet. es— really proposing to do this. wet. es t— really proposing to do this. well, as i understand- really proposing to do this. well, as i understand it, yes , a well, as i understand it, yes, a letter was sent by by the welsh government to the uk government's justice minister request saying just that the ability to pay people who arrived potentially illegally on our . shores £1,600 a arrived potentially illegally on our. shores £1,600 a month. in addition to being able to get legal aid in order to fight their case against deportation , their case against deportation, it doesn't surprise me that ideas like this have come forward from the welsh government. we know that they're barmy and that they love wasting taxpayers money. mean , they taxpayers money. i mean, they spent 144 million on an m4 relief road. they then decided to axe it. they spent £250 million nationalising an airport which has been making losses to date. and of course, you know, they've got all sorts of other

fanciful schemes that they love to fritter away our money with. so it doesn't surprise me . the so it doesn't surprise me. the good news is, though, nigel, that the justice minister, as i understand it, has denied this request and put a stop on it straight away . so i'm very straight away. so i'm very pleased to hear that. and very pleased to hear that. and very pleased to hear that. and very pleased to be able to update you with that news . okay, darren, with that news. okay, darren, tbew— with that news. okay, darren, tbenb wou— with that news. okay, darren, tbet wou werw— with that news. okay, darren, thank you very much- okay, darren, thank you very much indeed. mdeed— thank you very much indeed. tndeed and— thank you very much indeed. indeed and all— thank you very much indeed. indeed and all of this happens as we hear that— indeed and all of this happens as we hear that suella braverman is as we hear that suella braverman ts ebout— as we hear that suella braverman ts ebout to— as we hear that suella braverman is about to declare— as we hear that suella braverman is about to declare a national emeraenew— is about to declare a national emergency with— is about to declare a national emergency with the impact of mtdrents— emergency with the impact of migrants crossing the english bbemeb— migrants crossing the english bbemet. but— migrants crossing the english channel. but it's— migrants crossing the english channel. but it's not as you tbet.— channel. but it's not as you tbmb. tt-s— channel. but it's not as you think. it's not— channel. but it's not as you think. it's not a— channel. but it's not as you think. it's not a national emergenew— think. it's not a national emergency to- think. it's not a national emergency to stop people coming over or to deport— emergency to stop people coming over or to deport people. it's a nettonet— over or to deport people. it's a national emergency . see, national emergency. see, eetuettw— national emergency. see, actually that _ national emergency. see, actually that says she will use her actually that says she will use ber bees— actually that says she will use her powers under— actually that says she will use her powers under the local oowemment— her powers under the local government act— her powers under the local government act to fill up mtdrent— government act to fill up migrant camps. darren you can expect— migrant camps. darren you can expect mew— migrant camps. darren you can expect menw mee— migrant camps. darren you can expect many more migrants in trees— expect many more migrants in wales regardless— expect many more migrants in wales regardless whether they get wales regardless whether they bette— wales regardless whether they get to adobe— wales regardless whether they get to £1,600 or— wales regardless whether they get to £1,600 or not. i think bes— get to £1,600 or not. i think bes to— get to £1,600 or not. i think bes to be— get to £1,600 or not. i think has to be the— get to £1,600 or not. i think has to be the message national emeroenew— has to be the message national emeroemew. so— has to be the message national emergency. so that in essex and

etsewbere— emergency. so that in essex and elsewhere they— emergency. so that in essex and elsewhere they can— emergency. so that in essex and elsewhere they can use former bar— elsewhere they can use former ttat end— elsewhere they can use former ttat end emw— elsewhere they can use former raf and army sites without any toeet— raf and army sites without any local democracy.— raf and army sites without any local democracy. what's over? tbet-s— local democracy. what's over? tbet-s wbet-s— local democracy. what's over? that's what's going on now. what the that's what's going on now. what tbe neede— that's what's going on now. what the farage moment— that's what's going on now. what the farage moment and this was, i the farage moment and this was, t newe— the farage moment and this was, t bewe to— the farage moment and this was, t bewe to sew— the farage moment and this was, t bewe to sew e— the farage moment and this was, i have to say a little disappointing. i woke to the ot— disappointing. i woke to the news of what— disappointing. i woke to the news of what the king and queens say news of what the king and queens sew .— news of what the king and queens sew . stoneture— news of what the king and queens say . signature dish— news of what the king and queens say . signature dish is going to say. signature dish is going to be tor— say. signature dish is going to be tor tbe— say. signature dish is going to be for the coronation. now of course, as everyone knows, in rebo— course, as everyone knows, in tees bt— course, as everyone knows, in tees tt wes— course, as everyone knows, in 1953, it was coronation chicken. wes— 1953, it was coronation chicken. wes tt-s— 1953, it was coronation chicken. wes tt-s bord— 1953, it was coronation chicken. yes it's cold chicken with that ttttte— yes it's cold chicken with that ttttte btt— yes it's cold chicken with that ttttte btt ot— yes it's cold chicken with that little bit of curry— yes it's cold chicken with that little bit of curry powder and sbtee— little bit of curry powder and shoe end— little bit of curry powder and shoe end e— little bit of curry powder and spice and a perennial favourite on buttets— spice and a perennial favourite on buttets on— spice and a perennial favourite on buffets on lovely summer days . and— on buffets on lovely summer days . and wes— on buffets on lovely summer days . and wes owe— on buffets on lovely summer days . and yes, over 70— on buffets on lovely summer days . and yes, over 70 years on, you tbew— . and yes, over 70 years on, you know .— . and yes, over 70 years on, you know , we— . and yes, over 70 years on, you know , we still— . and yes, over 70 years on, you know , we still like— . and yes, over 70 years on, you know , we still like coronation know, we still like coronation emote.— know, we still like coronation ebteben. and— know, we still like coronation chicken. and what does king bbetes— chicken. and what does king charles and— chicken. and what does king charles and queen camilla obesene— charles and queen camilla chosen? they— charles and queen camilla chosen? they chosen a quiche or retber— chosen? they chosen a quiche or retber e— chosen? they chosen a quiche or rather a vegetarian— chosen? they chosen a quiche or rather a vegetarian quiche in it wttb— rather a vegetarian quiche in it wttt be— rather a vegetarian quiche in it will be broad— rather a vegetarian quiche in it will be broad beans , which i will be broad beans, which i meant— will be broad beans, which i thought these— will be broad beans, which i thought these days were chiefly fed thought these days were chiefly ted to — thought these days were chiefly fed to animals,— thought these days were chiefly fed to animals, but never mind breed— fed to animals, but never mind breed beers— fed to animals, but never mind broad beans is— fed to animals, but never mind broad beans is spinach, but

tbere— broad beans is spinach, but tbere wttb— broad beans is spinach, but there will be— broad beans is spinach, but there will be just to spice it up -_ there will be just to spice it up . a— there will be just to spice it up . a ttttte— there will be just to spice it up . a little hint— there will be just to spice it up . a little hint of tarragon. up. a little hint of tarragon. bet-s— up. a little hint of tarragon. bet-s bobe— up. a little hint of tarragon. let's hope these— up. a little hint of tarragon. let's hope these quiches haven't got soggy— let's hope these quiches haven't got soggy bottoms_ let's hope these quiches haven't got soggy bottoms . and it got soggy bottoms. and it sees— got soggy bottoms. and it strbes me— got soggy bottoms. and it strikes me we're heading for the toots— strikes me we're heading for the boots ot— strikes me we're heading for the boots ot bt— strikes me we're heading for the looks of it and— strikes me we're heading for the looks of it and the— strikes me we're heading for the looks of it and the feel of it end— looks of it and the feel of it end tbe— looks of it and the feel of it and the spirit— looks of it and the feel of it and the spirit of— looks of it and the feel of it and the spirit of it for the eusterttw— and the spirit of it for the austerity arnie— and the spirit of it for the austerity arnie coronation. i bse-t— austerity arnie coronation. i mean, isn't this— austerity arnie coronation. i mean, isn't this the sort of meet— mean, isn't this the sort of meet tbet— mean, isn't this the sort of meal that would have been cooked in meal that would have been cooked tn wentme— meal that would have been cooked in wartime when— meal that would have been cooked in wartime when food was very snorte— in wartime when food was very sborte br— in wartime when food was very sborte er ts— in wartime when food was very short? or is it— in wartime when food was very short? or is it the— in wartime when food was very short? or is it the king sending his short? or is it the king sending bts messeed— short? or is it the king sending his message about sustainability and his message about sustainability end berbebs— his message about sustainability emd berbebs tbe— his message about sustainability and perhaps the hint we should all and perhaps the hint we should ett do— and perhaps the hint we should all go vegetarian— and perhaps the hint we should all go vegetarian ,_ and perhaps the hint we should all go vegetarian , at least to all go vegetarian, at least to beam— all go vegetarian, at least to been wei,— all go vegetarian, at least to begin with, and— all go vegetarian, at least to begin with, and perhaps vegan tbereettere— begin with, and perhaps vegan thereafter? i— begin with, and perhaps vegan thereafter? i have to say i do wew— thereafter? i have to say i do tbe— thereafter? i have to say i do view the whole— thereafter? i have to say i do view the whole thing as being reettw— view the whole thing as being reallyr reettw— view the whole thing as being really, really disappointing . really, really disappointing. bet-s— really, really disappointing. bet-s bobe— really, really disappointing. let's hope the— really, really disappointing. let's hope the weather on may the let's hope the weather on may tbe sbtb — let's hope the weather on may the sixth proves— let's hope the weather on may the sixth proves to be rather better— the sixth proves to be rather better tber— the sixth proves to be rather better than the _ the sixth proves to be rather better than the signature dish , better than the signature dish, wbteb— better than the signature dish, wbteb t— better than the signature dish, which i think— better than the signature dish, which i think is— better than the signature dish, which i think is a— better than the signature dish, which i think is a huge disappointment. which i think is a huge disappointment . and now in disappointment. and now in a moment— disappointment. and now in a moment bet-s— disappointment. and now in a moment, let's talk about these protests.— moment, let's talk about these brotests. wou— moment, let's talk about these protests. you know, i've been werw— protests. you know, i've been very passionate— protests. you know, i've been very passionate about what i saw at very passionate about what i saw et-brend— very passionate about what i saw at-grand national— very passionate about what i saw at-grand national ,- very passionate about what i saw at grand national , the at the grand national, the demede— at the grand national, the demede-wes- at the grand national, the damage was done to those damage that was done to those noses— damage that was done to thosei horses—happened damage that was done to those. horses—happened at horses. we saw what happened at the horses. we saw what happened at tbe nond— horses. we saw what happened at the world snooker— horses. we saw what happened at the world snooker championships last the world snooker championships test debt.— the world snooker championships test ntobt. and— the world snooker championships last night. and these groups are bromtsmd— last night. and these groups are bromtsmd e—

last night. and these groups are bromtsmo e tot— last night. and these groups are promising a lot of— last night. and these groups are promising a lot of chaos over tbe— promising a lot of chaos over tbe — promising a lot of chaos over the summer. and— promising a lot of chaos over the summer. and it won't just be spotted— the summer. and it won't just be sbonmo eents — the summer. and it won't just be sporting events. they'll be back on tbe— sporting events. they'll be back on tbe reeds— sporting events. they'll be back on the roads and— sporting events. they'll be back on the roads and tying themselves— on the roads and tying themselves to gantries and ended— themselves to gantries and erwmo end— themselves to gantries and crying and saying at the end of the crying and saying at the end of tbe wond— crying and saying at the end of tbe wortd ts— crying and saying at the end of the world is nigh.— crying and saying at the end of the world is nigh. but what can we do— the world is nigh. but what can we do under— the world is nigh. but what can we do under the— the world is nigh. but what can we do under the human rights act in we do under the human rights act tn tbts— we do under the human rights act tn tbts bountrw— we do under the human rights act in this country to— we do under the human rights act in this country to actually been— in this country to actually prevent these _ in this country to actually prevent these people and to remove them— prevent these people and to remove them out of harm's way? i'll remove them out of harm's way? ttt debete— remove them out of harm's way? i'll debate that— remove them out of harm's way? i'll debate that in— remove them out of harm's way? i'll debate that in just a moment— i'll debate that in just a moment .—

they're all the same. this lot, i they're all the same. this lot, t bromtse— they're all the same. this lot, r bromtse wou.— they're all the same. this lot, i promise you. it— they're all the same. this lot, i promise you. it doesn't really meter— i promise you. it doesn't really matter whether— i promise you. it doesn't really matter whether they call themselves— matter whether they call themselves extinction rebellion them selves extinction rebellion or themselves extinction rebellion orrust— themselves extinction rebellion or just stoo— themselves extinction rebellion or just stob ott— themselves extinction rebellion orjust stop oil or— themselves extinction rebellion orjust stop oil or animal or just stop oil or animal rtsbe— or just stop oil or animal rtsmo. tt-s— or just stop oil or animal rising. it's all— or just stop oil or animal rising. it's all the same mob. yes:— rising. it's all the same mob. yes, absolutely— rising. it's all the same mob. yes, absolutely .— rising. it's all the same mob. yes, absolutely . they're yes, absolutely. they're interchangeable with each other and interchangeable with each other end bt— interchangeable with each other end tt reettw— interchangeable with each other and it really gets— interchangeable with each other and it really gets me down that web— and it really gets me down that wben we— and it really gets me down that wben we bed— and it really gets me down that when we had all— and it really gets me down that when we had all the people otuemd— when we had all the people glueing themselves to roads and twing— glueing themselves to roads and tying themselves— glueing themselves to roads and tying themselves to gantries and burstbrd— tying themselves to gantries and burstbd bete— tying themselves to gantries and bursting into tears, that will all bursting into tears, that will ett be— bursting into tears, that will ett be deed— bursting into tears, that will all be dead in— bursting into tears, that will all be dead in a— bursting into tears, that will all be dead in a fortnight. some

of all be dead in a fortnight. some ot tbese— all be dead in a fortnight. some ot tbese beobte— all be dead in a fortnight. some of these people were arrested , of these people were arrested, teben— of these people were arrested, teen to— of these people were arrested, taken to magistrates courts , but taken to magistrates courts, but the taken to magistrates courts, but tbe seme— taken to magistrates courts, but tbe beobte— taken to magistrates courts, but the same people would appear 5 or b— the same people would appear 5 or b ttmes— the same people would appear 5 or b ttmes dust— the same people would appear 5 or 6 times, just think of this tbe— or 6 times, just think of this tbe rust— or 6 times, just think of this tbe just stop— or 6 times, just think of this the just stop oil— or 6 times, just think of this the just stop oil protest at silverstone_ the just stop oil protest at silverstone racetrack last year were— silverstone racetrack last year wbere etr— silverstone racetrack last year where all louis— silverstone racetrack last year where all louis mckechnie and tmttw— where all louis mckechnie and emily brocklebank all dodi had debt— emily brocklebank all dodi had tobt brewtous— emily brocklebank all dodi had joint previous convictions for otuebd— joint previous convictions for glueing themselves to the frame of glueing themselves to the frame ot e— glueing themselves to the frame ot e abb— glueing themselves to the frame of a £70 million— glueing themselves to the frame of a £70 million van gough yet beet— of a £70 million van gough yet beet tbew— of a £70 million van gough yet back they were _ of a £70 million van gough yet back they were at— of a £70 million van gough yet back they were at silverstone end— back they were at silverstone end ot— back they were at silverstone and of course— back they were at silverstone and of course you know who these beobte— and of course you know who these beobte — and of course you know who these beobte on,— and of course you know who these people are. oh, absolutely . people are. oh, absolutely. abbre— people are. oh, absolutely. atbte tbew— people are. oh, absolutely. albie they are— people are. oh, absolutely. albie they are all white, upper mtddte— albie they are all white, upper middle class— albie they are all white, upper middle class overprivileged twpes— middle class overprivileged twbes. wou— middle class overprivileged twbes. wou entw— middle class overprivileged types. you only have to look at tbe— types. you only have to look at tbe nemes— types. you only have to look at tbe ot— types. you only have to look at the names of the— types. you only have to look at the names of the four that were in the names of the four that were tn tbe— the names of the four that were tn tbe debt— the names of the four that were in the dock over— the names of the four that were in the dock over the removal of the in the dock over the removal of tbe tdwerd— in the dock over the removal of the edward colston_ in the dock over the removal of the edward colston statue. sage rowan,— the edward colston statue. sage bwen anto— the edward colston statue. sage ryanr ntto end— the edward colston statue. sage ryan, milo and jake. so we're deetbd— ryan, milo and jake. so we're deetmo bere— ryan, milo and jake. so we're dealing here with with a very, werw— dealing here with with a very, werw btobtw— dealing here with with a very, very highly privileged young group— very highly privileged young group ot— very highly privileged young group of people, most of whom i guess— group of people, most of whom i guess brobebtw— group of people, most of whom i guess probably don't even need to wt,— guess probably don't even need to wort, but— guess probably don't even need to work, but they— guess probably don't even need to work, but they are causing beeesbrd— to work, but they are causing increasing disruption. they did

men— increasing disruption. they did tbetr werw— increasing disruption. they did their very best— increasing disruption. they did their very best to _ increasing disruption. they did their very best to ruin my day at their very best to ruin my day et tbe— their very best to ruin my day et tbe breed— their very best to ruin my day at the grand national didn't run— at the grand national didn't mbe— at the grand national didn't .— at the grand national didn't ruin mine , but— at the grand national didn't ruin mine , but they did for some ruin mine, but they did for some of ruin mine, but they did for some ot bese— ruin mine, but they did for some of those horses— ruin mine, but they did for some of those horses and— ruin mine, but they did for some of those horses and for some of bese— of those horses and for some of tbose toetews— of those horses and for some of those jockeys. and _ of those horses and for some of those jockeys. and for some of bese— those jockeys. and for some of those trainers— those jockeys. and for some of those trainers and— those jockeys. and for some of those trainers and hill sixteen dred— those trainers and hill sixteen died completely— those trainers and hill sixteen died completely unnecessarily as a died completely unnecessarily as e dbeet— died completely unnecessarily as a direct result— died completely unnecessarily as a direct result of— died completely unnecessarily as a direct result of their actions test— a direct result of their actions test ment— a direct result of their actions test mobt we— a direct result of their actions last night we were on air. they went— last night we were on air. they went end— last night we were on air. they went end dd— last night we were on air. they went and did what they did, dtsrubtbd— went and did what they did, disrupting the— went and did what they did, disrupting the snooker. they now bromtsbd— disrupting the snooker. they now bromtsbo rust— disrupting the snooker. they now promising just stop oil and obers— promising just stop oil and otbers e— promising just stop oil and others a summer campaign to etteettwetw— others a summer campaign to effectively stop— others a summer campaign to effectively stop all sporting eents— effectively stop all sporting events. goodness knows what tbew-tt— events. goodness knows what bew-tt do— events. goodness knows what bew-tt do to— events. goodness knows what they'll do to art— events. goodness knows what they'll do to art galleries or etsewbere. — they'll do to art galleries or elsewhere. and— they'll do to art galleries or elsewhere. and yes, yes , we elsewhere. and yes, yes, we bettewe— elsewhere. and yes, yes, we believe they're _ elsewhere. and yes, yes, we believe they're going to start btoetbd— believe they're going to start btoebbd ou— believe they're going to start blocking our motorways all over edem— blocking our motorways all over edeb .— blocking our motorways all over eoeb . tow,— blocking our motorways all over again . now, look,— blocking our motorways all over again . now, look, we just can't again. now, look, we just can't ettow— again. now, look, we just can't ettow we— again. now, look, we just can't allow we peaceful— again. now, look, we just can't allow we peaceful protest. of course , we all— allow we peaceful protest. of course , we all want that. and course, we all want that. and understend— course, we all want that. and understand that— course, we all want that. and understand that in a free sodetw— understand that in a free sodetw. but— understand that in a free society. but when it comes to be— society. but when it comes to tbe seme— society. but when it comes to the same people— society. but when it comes to the same people repeat offending end— the same people repeat offending over and over and— the same people repeat offending over and over and over. erg eeusbd— over and over and over. erg causing inconvenience, causing bended— causing inconvenience, causing tbendet toss— causing inconvenience, causing financial loss, it— causing inconvenience, causing financial loss, it seems to me tbere-s— financial loss, it seems to me bere-s butte— financial loss, it seems to me there's quite a— financial loss, it seems to me there's quite a strong argument in some cases for— there's quite a strong argument in some cases for not giving beobte— in some cases for not giving beobte bett— in some cases for not giving people bail before their actual boun—

people bail before their actual court hearings— people bail before their actual court hearings and giving them tend— court hearings and giving them torso brtson— court hearings and giving them long prison sentences . and we long prison sentences. and we need— long prison sentences. and we need to— long prison sentences. and we need to remove— long prison sentences. and we need to remove people from sodetw— need to remove people from sodetw wbo— need to remove people from society who will— need to remove people from society who will do us great berm. — society who will do us great term. but— society who will do us great harm. but can— society who will do us great harm. but can we actually do it under— harm. but can we actually do it under be— harm. but can we actually do it under the law?— harm. but can we actually do it under the law? and would it be the under the law? and would it be tbe debt— under the law? and would it be be rtobt btnb— under the law? and would it be the right thing morally to do ? the right thing morally to do? netb— the right thing morally to do? wen, neut— the right thing morally to do? well, paul powlesland joins me , well, paul powlesland joins me, bertster— well, paul powlesland joins me, berrtster et— well, paul powlesland joins me, barrister at garden— well, paul powlesland joins me, barrister at garden court . barrister at garden court. bbembers— barrister at garden court. chambers you— barrister at garden court. chambers you can see my upset end— chambers you can see my upset and frustration— chambers you can see my upset and frustration with this . rte?" and frustration with this. i can wou-re upset— and frustration with this. i can see you're upset and- see you're upset and frustration. obviously, it these meters— frustration. obviously, it these metters ee— " obviously, it these matters are frustrating for beobte— matters are frustrating for beobte .— matters are frustrating for beobte . but— matters are frustrating for people . but we also need to bear people. but we also need to bear in people. but we also need to bear be met— people. but we also need to bear tn mtnd wbw— people. but we also need to bear in mind why people— people. but we also need to bear in mind why people are doing wbet— in mind why people are doing wbet tbew-re— in mind why people are doing what they're doing . and i know what they're doing. and i know you— what they're doing. and i know wou sed— what they're doing. and i know wou setd bet— what they're doing. and i know you said that people are crying beese— you said that people are crying beese be— you said that people are crying because the world is going to end— because the world is going to end b— because the world is going to end be two— because the world is going to end in two weeks. no one is send— end in two weeks. no one is sewbd-but— end in two weeks. no one is saying but unless they're saying that. but unless they're tetbbd— saying that. but unless they're. talking—becoming talking about the race becoming extbet— talking about the race becoming extbetlsonw,— talking about the race becoming extinct sorry, they're talking extinct, sorry, they're talking ebout—tee about the whole human race beeombd— about the whole human race becoming extinct . some people about the whole human race becbutig extinct . some people about the whole human race bec but the xtinct . some people about the whole human race bec but the majority ome people about the whole human race bec but the majority of e people about the whole human race bec but the majority of climate; do. but the majority of climate protesters— do. but the majority of climate protesters are _ do. but the majority of climate protesters are saying what the setenttsts— protesters are saying what the scientists are _ protesters are saying what the scientists are telling us, which is scientists are telling us, which ts bet— scientists are telling us, which ts tbet ou— scientists are telling us, which is that our society— scientists are telling us, which is that our society faces its most— is that our society faces its most serious— is that our society faces its most serious crisis, that we newe— most serious crisis, that we have ever faced— most serious crisis, that we have ever faced . ' r: r: r: have ever faced. and how did disrupting the snooker tournament change a single opinion ? i mean, you could argue opinion? i mean, you could argue that they're behaving is so

awful that actually it switches people off to some of the arguments they might want to make. well, there's a difference between— make. well, there's a difference between trwbd— make. well, there's a difference between trying to— well, there's a difference between trying to persuade beobte— between trying to persuade beobte ot— between trying to persuade beobte or web— between trying to persuade people of your arguments about wbet— people of your arguments about wbet we— people of your arguments about wbet we need— people of your arguments about what we need to— people of your arguments about what we need to do about the etrmete— what we need to do about the climate crisis. _ what we need to do about the climate crisis. and i can do bet— climate crisis. and i can do tbet tor— climate crisis. and i can do tbet tor wou— climate crisis. and i can do that for you right here, right now versus getting attention for the now versus getting attention for be-bet— now versus getting attention for be-bet brs— now versus getting attention for the-that this crisis- now versus getting attention for the that this crisis is the fact that this crisis is between;— the fact that this crisis is happening-ourl the fact that this crisis is happening-our is happening because our society is steebwettbd— happening because our society is steebwettbo et— happening because our society is sleepwalking at the moment. we are sleepwalking.— sleepwalking at the moment. we are sleepwalking. we're irrelevant. _ irrelevant. we're irrelevant. we are 1% of global are less than 1% of global carbon emissions. are. why carbon emissions. we are. why don't china and do don't they go to china and do this do they know they get this or do they know they get put for a long time? put in prison for a long time? i'm surprised that a i'm really surprised that a betrtot— i'm really surprised that a better-wou,- i'm really surprised that a patriot you, nigel, patriot like you, nigel, is send— patriot like you, nigel, is sewbo bet— patriot like you, nigel, is saying that britain is irrelevant. - saying that britain is irrelevant. are carbon irrelevant. we are we are carbon emissions. we are irrelevant. we are better than that. we stood— we are better than that. we stood eteme— we are better than that. we stood alone in— we are better than that. we stood alone in 1940 when all seemed— stood alone in 1940 when all seemed against— stood alone in 1940 when all seemed against yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe against yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe right�*ist yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe right thing. yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe right thing. we yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe right thing. we always; did the right thing. we always do. vou— did the right thing. we always do. you drew— did the right thing. we always do. you draw a— did the right thing. we always do. you draw a comparison. senw. — do. you draw a comparison. senw. lweu— do. you draw a comparison. sorry. .you seriously- do. you draw a comparison. i sorry. .you seriously draw a sorry. do you seriously draw a comparison? we comparison? yes. let's say we cease all economic activity. we all go vegan, we give up all the fun things in life we like. we give up our cars. we live in caves. it makes no difference because still, 8 billion tonnes

of coal is going to get burnt around the world year. around the world this year. 8 billion tonnes. firstly, we don-t— billion tonnes. firstly, we dont newe— billion tonnes. firstly, we don't have i go - billion tonnes. firstly, we don't have i go back - cc rzr" " firstly, we don't have go back to billion tonnes. firstly, we- don't have-go back to living don't have to go back to living in caves. there— don't have to go back to living in caves. there are— don't have to go back to living in caves. there are lots of technologies— in caves. there are lots of technologies already exist technologies that already exist _we boutd- technologies that already exist ._we could have. technologies that already exist- ._we could have happy . that means we could have happy , tuttttted— . that means we could have happy , fulfilled, comfortable lives wbttst— , fulfilled, comfortable lives whilst still— , fulfilled, comfortable lives whilst still ensuring we make the whilst still ensuring we make tbe eessew— whilst still ensuring we make the necessary transition . but i the necessary transition. but i went— the necessary transition. but i went t— the necessary transition. but i went t went— the necessary transition. but i want i want to— the necessary transition. but i want i want to get an aeroplane. i want i want to get an aeroplane. twent— want i want to get an aeroplane. t went to— want i want to get an aeroplane. t went to be— want i want to get an aeroplane. t went to be to— want i want to get an aeroplane. i want to go to the— want i want to get an aeroplane. i want to go to the grand- i want to go to the grand national. i'm not prepared to tell you. what if china and india and indonesia change, i might consider it. well, as britain, who started the industrial revolution. we need to show the way . we- : t we need to show the way . we need to lead to show the way. we need to lead by to show the way. we need to lead bw exempte— to show the way. we need to lead bw exembte end— to show the way. we need to lead by example and we— to show the way. we need to lead by example and we have we have done— by example and we have we have done bet— by example and we have we have done that throughout history. for instance,— done that throughout history. for instance, one— done that throughout history. for instance, one of the big bbds— for instance, one of the big bbos bombe— for instance, one of the big things coming at the moment ebout,— things coming at the moment ebout—be- things coming at the moment| about,_the slave, about, for instance, the slave, be—end - about, for instance, the slave, be—end tbe - about, for instance, the slave, the—and the woke| the slave trade and the woke edument— the slave trade and the woke eoument ts— the slave trade and the woke argument is we— the slave trade and the woke argument is we are saying eetuettw— argument is we are sayingi actually _that actually britain ended that tree— actually britain ended that trede end— actually britain ended that trade and showed the world trade and we showed the world wbet— trade and we showed the world wbet wes— trade and we showed the world wbet tbe — trade and we showed the world what was the right thing to do. and— what was the right thing to do. and t— what was the right thing to do. and i believe— what was the right thing to do. and i believe we— what was the right thing to do. and i believe we must do the btnb— and i believe we must do the same thing over— and i believe we must do the same thing over the climate etsts— same thing over the climate etsts .— same thing over the climate etsts . wre— same thing over the climate crisis . we-show- same thing over the climate crisis . we show the way, crisis. we must show the way, mete— crisis. we must show the way, make-transition- crisis. we must show the way, make transition and hope crisis. we must show the way, makrothers,ansition and hope crisis. we must show the way, makrothers, asrition and hope crisis. we must show the way, makrothers, as a on and hope crisis. we must show the way, makrothers, as a barrister,)pe crisis. we must show the way, makrothers, as a barrister, you that others, as a barrister, you bet— that others, as a barrister, you bet brs— that others, as a barrister, you think this behaviour is tustbted. — think this behaviour is justified. 7' think this behaviour is justified. , think this behaviour is- justified. sorry?.a barrister justified. sorry? as a barrister , you know, as a as a man of law, you this behaviour is

law, you think this behaviour is acceptable? you legally acceptable? do you mean legally or there? isuppose acceptable? do you mean legally or there? i suppose it or morally there? i suppose it depends. — or morally there? i suppose it depends. tm— or morally there? i suppose it depends. i'm asking both. ebwtoustw— depends. i'm asking both. obviously much— depends. i'm asking both. obviously much of- depends. g obviously much of the behaviour is obviously much of the behaviour ts untewtut— obviously much of the behaviour is unlawful and— obviously much of the behaviour is unlawful and people are oettbd— is unlawful and people are oettbo be— is unlawful and people are getting the punishments bresetbed— getting the punishments prescribed by law for that. but do t— prescribed by law for that. but do t btnb— prescribed by law for that. but do i think that— prescribed by law for that. but do i think that minor disruption to e— do i think that minor disruption to e sbonbd— do i think that minor disruption to a sporting event is unjust, dood— to a sporting event is unjust, good or— to a sporting event is unjust, good or bed,— to a sporting event is unjust, good or bad, when trying to bend— good or bad, when trying to bring attention— good or bad, when trying to bring attention to the greatest etsts— bring attention to the greatest etsts bet— bring attention to the greatest crisis that we've— bring attention to the greatest crisis that we've ever faced? i don-t— crisis that we've ever faced? i dont btnb— crisis that we've ever faced? i don't think it— crisis that we've ever faced? i don't think it is— crisis that we've ever faced? i don't think it is those four reorde— don't think it is those four beobte, be— don't think it is those four people, the four posh kids, sage , ttmes— people, the four posh kids, sage , tbten atto— people, the four posh kids, sage , rhian, milo and— people, the four posh kids, sage , rhian, milo and jake who tore down— , rhian, milo and jake who tore down e— , rhian, milo and jake who tore down a statue— , rhian, milo and jake who tore down a statue and— , rhian, milo and jake who tore down a statue and threw it into the down a statue and threw it into tbe debt— down a statue and threw it into tbe debt .— down a statue and threw it into tbe debt , dd— down a statue and threw it into the dock , did not— down a statue and threw it into the dock , did not get charged the dock, did not get charged wttb— the dock, did not get charged with criminal— the dock, did not get charged with criminal damage . ”g with criminal damage. the jury ettebttwetw— with criminal damage. the jury effectively let— with criminal damage. the jury effectively let them off. no, they got charged. they didn't get convicted. _ they got charged. they didn't get convicted. didn't- they got charged. they didn't get convicted. didn't get convicted because a jury effectively them off. isn't effectively let them off. isn't that our british effectively let them off. isn't that-our british justice. that how our british justice oberetese— that how our british justice- operates? _wonder. i operates? we're all i wonder. i wder— operates? we're all i wonder. i wonder whether— operates? we're all i wonder. i wonder whether we're- operates? we're all i wonder. i wonder whether we're losing our marbles. i wonder whether we're going objective going from a genuinely objective view of what law is and what people can and can't do to a much more subjective one. well, i don't get the idea that something went wrong with that process. you believe in the

debt— process. you believe in the rtdbtltrtet— process. you believe in the rtobtltrtet bw— process. you believe in the right-trial by-yesl right to trial by jury? yes. i dust— right to trial by jury? yes. i tust don-t— right to trial by jury? yes. i just don't see. _ right to trial by jury? yes. i just don't see. how do you bettewe— just don't see. how do you believe-jury?- believe in trial by jury? i wont— believe in trial by jury? i would prefer— believe in trial by jury? i would prefer it to the continental- would prefer it to the continental system. would prefer it to the— continental system. but i wonder whether i wonder whether there is a generation now who view things a very different way. things in a very different way. i at point in our i mean, at any point in our previous history, these people i mean, at any point in our previ0|havertory, these people i mean, at any point in our previ0|have beenthese people i mean, at any point in our previ0|have been convicted)le i mean, at any point in our previ0|have been convicted of would have been convicted of criminal damage, which it clearly was . well, maybe not. clearly was. well, maybe not. tbere-s— clearly was. well, maybe not. tbere-s mew— clearly was. well, maybe not. there's many things- flat well, maybe not. there's many things throughout btstorw— there's many things throughout btstorw-eoutd— there's many things throughout history-could be- there's many things throughout history could be criminal history that could be criminal demeee— damage, but actually are tustbted— damage, but actually are justified in— damage, but actually are justified in in— damage, but actually are justified in in a more political and— justified in in a more political and t— justified in in a more political sense. and i mean, to be honest, tm— sense. and i mean, to be honest, tm not— sense. and i mean, to be honest, tm not t— sense. and i mean, to be honest, tm not t mem— sense. and i mean, to be honest, i'm not i mean, look,— sense. and i mean, to be honest, i'm not i mean, look, i'm not reettw— i'm not i mean, look, i'm not reettw bere— i'm not i mean, look, i'm not really here to— i'm not i mean, look, i'm not really here to argue the colston stetue— really here to argue the colston statue because. _ really here to argue the colston statue because. brzr statue because. no, no, no, no, no. but we're talking about the morality of this and we're talking about where we're going with this. and very with this. and it's very interesting. _ with this. and it's very interesting. you- and it's very interesting. you know, you're somebodw— interesting. you know, you're somebody-legal- somebody in the legal profession,— somebody in the legal profession, know, who somebody in the legal- profession,-know, who kind profession, you know, who kind of bets— profession, you know, who kind of thinks that— profession, you know, who kind of thinks that this— profession, you know, who kind of thinks that this disruptive bebewtour— of thinks that this disruptive. behaviour—cause behaviour has has a good cause bebbd— behaviour has has a good cause bebbd-bewe— behaviour has has a good cause behind-have seen- behaviour has has a good causei behind-have seen many, behind it. we have seen many, numerous throughout behind it. we have seen many, numerofrom throughout behind it. we have seen many, numerofrom suffragettesiout behind it. we have seen many, numerofrom suffragettes tot history from the suffragettes to anti—apartheid to anti—apartheid campaigns to ganths anti—apartheid campaigns to gandhi's non—violent civil disobedience india where disobedience in india where people the law. but we now people broke the law. but we now accept with the judgement of history what did was history that what they did was justified because of the campaign. asked. they campaign. they were asked. they were they were calling for. and

i fundamental i really fundamental believe that the clear judgement of history relation the history in relation to the climate crisis that these climate crisis is that these peaceful but sometimes disruptive actions will be seen as justified. and if it's the same person offending over and over and over, don't we have the right for them to put in right for them to be put in prison so rest of us don't prison so the rest of us don't get disrupted by the same people again well, that's again and again? well, if that's wbet— again and again? well, if that's wbet-bew— again and again? well, if that's wbet-dew sews— again and again? well, if that's what-law says, then- 3g: " a�*r: ago? 7 well, if that's what law says, then that's what the law says, then that's wbet— what the law says, then that's wbet-wbet— what the law says, then that's what-what will- what the law says, then that's what what will happen. what that's what will happen. and— what that's what will happen. and beebte— what that's what will happen. and beebte eer— what that's what will happen. and people are being- what that's what will happen. and people are being put- what that's what will happen. and people are being put in prison. but ultimately, as a society, a decision society, we've taken a decision that who do peaceful and that those who do peaceful and non—violent, but sometimes disruptive not non—violent, but sometimes distreated not non—violent, but sometimes distreated too not non—violent, but sometimes distreated too harshly not non—violent, but sometimes distreated too harshly because be treated too harshly because we've the good social we've seen the good social outcomes that have happened from people who've same people who've done the same thing throughout we thing throughout history. and we think actually, okay, people broke law to form trade broke the law to form trade unions. good thing. unions. that was a good thing. people the law get get people broke the law to get get it. it. there can be times it. i get it. there can be times end— it. i get it. there can be times end t— it. i get it. there can be times end t det— it. i get it. there can be times end t det rt.— it. i get it. there can be times end r oet t. t— c i get it. there can be times and i get it. i understand it tuttw— and i get it. i understand it tuttw. t— and i get it. i understand it new r det— and i get it. i understand it new r oet rt.— and i get it. i understand it fully. i get it. i— and i get it. i understand it fully. i get it. ijust and i get it. i understand it fully. i get it. i just think in brs— fully. i get it. i just think in tbts se— fully. i get it. i just think in this case, there's- fully. i get it. i just think in this case, there's rather rich bumb— this case, there's rather rich buneb ot— this case, there's rather rich bunch of kids— this case, there's rather rich bunch of kids is— this case, there's rather rich bunch of kids is perhaps are not going— bunch of kids is perhaps are not demo to— bunch of kids is perhaps are not demo to be— bunch of kids is perhaps are not demo to be be— bunch of kids is perhaps are not going to be the saviours of enwtbbd— going to be the saviours of enwtbbd-t- going to be the saviours of anything.-i like anything. and what i don't like is anything. and what i don't like ts bere— anything. and what i don't like is there intolerance there, btoterenee — is there intolerance there, intolerance towards us and towerds— intolerance towards us and towerds-we- intolerance towards us and towards we want to towards the lives we want to teed. — towards the lives we want to teed. leew— towards the lives we want to

lead. inow feel— towards the lives we want to lead. now feel their lead. i now feel their intolerance - lead. i now feel their intolerance by our intolerance should be met by our btoterenee— intolerance should be met by our intolerance. well— intolerance should be met by our intolerance. well firstly, i dust— intolerance. well firstly, i tustwent— intolerance. well firstly, i tust went to— intolerance. well firstly, i just want to take you up on the see— just want to take you up on the ot— just want to take you up on the ot brs— just want to take you up on the issue of this kind— just want to take you up on the issue of this kind of everyone bebe— issue of this kind of everyone bend-a— issue of this kind of everyone bebd-a tet- issue of this kind of everyone being-a lot of- issue of this kind of everyone being-a lot of the. issue of this kind of everyone- being-a lot of the climate being posh. a lot of the climate activists are not. activists i've met are not. does some go to minor public sebootse — does some go to minor public schools? well,— does some go to minor public schools? well, for- does some go to minor public schools? f schools? well, for instance, there was a there was an insulate britain man who actually who got who got who got you know what i mean. i know. you know what i— you know what i mean. i know. you know what i mean. - iknow. you know what i mean. the modes— you know what i mean. the insulate-was- you know what i mean. the insulate-was an- you know what i mean. the insulate was an insulate insulate britain was an insulate britain protester who got absolutely on tv absolutely stuffed on live tv because working class because he was a working class bloke wasn't used being bloke who wasn't used to being on got ripped apart. on tv and he got ripped apart. i have met many ordinary people who actually saying that the who actually are saying that the real here is those fossil real elite here is those fossil fuel executives are making fuel executives who are making huge money by huge sums of money by deliberately pursuing a course huge sums of money by de action sly pursuing a course huge sums of money by de action that ursuing a course huge sums of money by de action that is;uing a course huge sums of money by de action that is goingi course huge sums of money by de action that is going to>urse huge sums of money by de action that is going to be ;e of action that is going to be harmful country and its harmful to this country and its people. i the point. i people. i repeat the point. i don-t— people. i repeat the point. i dont btnb— people. i repeat the point. i don't think we— people. i repeat the point. i don't think we can- i repeat the point. i don't think we can give china a teed— don't think we can give china a teed on— don't think we can give china a teed on brs— don't think we can give china a lead on this, but— don't think we can give china a lead on this, but thank you for bombed— lead on this, but thank you for bombed b— lead on this, but thank you for eombo to end— lead on this, but thank you for coming in and having good coming in and having a good debete— coming in and having a good debate—moral. debate on legal and moral grounds.— debate on legal and moral grounds. now,— debate on legal and moral grounds. now, before we go, a eoubte— grounds. now, before we go, a comb ot— grounds. now, before we go, a couple of quick— grounds. now, before we go, a couple of quick farage the neede— couple of quick farage the reredelbe— couple of quick farage the faragelthe first- couple of quick farage the farage the first one up is farage is the first one up is stebben— farage is the first one up is sterner-e- farage is the first one up is stephen a question farage is the first one up is- stephen-a question for stephen who has a question for —stewe- stephen who has a question for me._steve bush. stephen who has a question fori me._steve bush and me. my name is steve bush and i'd me. my name is steve bush and td-to— me. my name is steve bush and td-to est— me. my name is steve bush and td-to est your— me. my name is steve bush and i'd-to ask you, how- me. my name is steve bush and i'd to ask you, how do you

i'd like to ask you, how do you bet— i'd like to ask you, how do you bet brextt— i'd like to ask you, how do you think brexit is— i'd like to ask you, how do you think brexit is going? jrzr think brexit is going? do you btnb— think brexit is going? do you tbet-been— think brexit is going? do you think-been a— think brexit is going? do you think been a positive think it's been a positive experience so far for united experience so far for the united kingdom ? i think that brexit has kingdom? i think that brexit has been— kingdom? i think that brexit has been e— kingdom? i think that brexit has been e werw— kingdom? i think that brexit has been e werw dood— g:7 i think that brexit has been a very good thing for the bountrw— been a very good thing for the bountrw on— been a very good thing for the eountrw on be— been a very good thing for the country on the world stage. i bet— country on the world stage. i bet ober— country on the world stage. i think other countries are tootbd— think other countries are tootbd et— think other countries are looking at us— think other countries are looking at us in a rather dbterent— looking at us in a rather different way— looking at us in a rather different way because of brexit end— different way because of brexit end tt-s— different way because of brexit and it's enabled— different way because of brexit and it's enabled us to do the aubus— and it's enabled us to do the aubus deed.— and it's enabled us to do the aukus deal. we're on the verge of dobe— aukus deal. we're on the verge of debt e— aukus deal. we're on the verge of doing a deal— aukus deal. we're on the verge of doing a deal with a group of redne— of doing a deal with a group of pacific countries— of doing a deal with a group of pacific countries that, provided it's pacific countries that, provided tt-s not— pacific countries that, provided tt-s not too— pacific countries that, provided it's not too political, could be a it's not too political, could be e-dood— it's not too political, could be e-dood btnb— it's not too political, could be a-good thing on- it's not too political, could be a good thing on the world a very good thing on the world stere— a very good thing on the world steoe. rte-re— a very good thing on the world stage. we're standing much tenet.— stage. we're standing much taller.-argue- stage. we're standing much. taller.-argue ukraine taller. you could argue ukraine as taller. you could argue ukraine es-toob— taller. you could argue ukraine es-toot e— taller. you could argue ukrainei as-took a-bigger as well. we took a much bigger teed— as well. we took a much bigger lead-ukraine— as well. we took a much bigger lead i ukraine than - as well. we took a much bigger lead ukraine than we would lead on ukraine than we would newe— lead on ukraine than we would have-internally.- lead on ukraine than we would have internally. oh, i'm have done internally. oh, i'm brettw— have done internally. oh, i'm brettw-ebout- have done internally. oh, i'm pretty - about the - have done internally. oh, i'm pretty about the lack of pretty angry about the lack of dettwerw— pretty angry about the lack of dettwerw bw— pretty angry about the lack of dettwerw bw be— pretty angry about the lack of delivery by the conservative oowemment— delivery by the conservative government many things government on so many things bet— government on so many things bet-newe— government on so many things that-have been-to. that could have been done to netb— that could have been done to betb-ttttte— that could have been done to help-little-and- that could have been done to help little and the help the little man and the ttttte— help the little man and the little _that- help the little man and the little that haven't a lot little woman that haven't a lot moeo—n- little woman that haven't a lot more _ no question i more work to do. no question ebout— more work to do. no question ebout bet— more work to do. no question ebout tbet .— more work to do. no question about that . and— more work to do. no question about that . and debbie got about that. and debbie has got a berrede. — about that. and debbie has got a berrede. tbe— about that. and debbie has got a barrage. the farage for me as wett— barrage. the farage for me as web. — barrage. the farage for me as web. atw— barrage. the farage for me as well. my name— barrage. the farage for me as well. my name is- barrage. the farage for me as well . mgr t z; barrage. the farage for me as well. t a�*r: barrage. the farage for me as- well. my name is debbie and my question is for nigel is what brand of cigarettes do you smoke and what's your favourite pint? hard answer question. debbie i

can't answer questions- at: : debbie i can't answer questions about breeds— can't answer questions about brends ot— can't answer questions about brands of cigarettes that i smote— brands of cigarettes that i smoke because- brands of cigarettes that i smoke because i can't really recommend smoking to anybody . recommend smoking to anybody. twen— recommend smoking to anybody. twen boudb— recommend smoking to anybody. twen boudb t— recommend smoking to anybody. even though i have to confess, i do stttt— even though i have to confess, i do stttt ere-ow— even though i have to confess, i do still enjoy it— even though i have to confess, i do still enjoy it and probably tm — do still enjoy it and probably tm werw— do still enjoy it and probably i'm very unlikely to change. abso— i'm very unlikely to change. atso, t— i'm very unlikely to change. also, i wouldn't— i'm very unlikely to change. also, i wouldn't be able to do it also, i wouldn't be able to do tt under— also, i wouldn't be able to do tt under be— also, i wouldn't be able to do it under the rules— also, i wouldn't be able to do it under the rules of advertising- it under the rules of advertising thing, but i think bere— advertising thing, but i think tbere ee— advertising thing, but i think there are some— advertising thing, but i think there are some things in life tbe— there are some things in life like alcohol— there are some things in life like alcohol ,_ there are some things in life like alcohol, which i think in smett— like alcohol, which i think in small measures— like alcohol, which i think in small measures probably quite dood— small measures probably quite good tor— small measures probably quite good tor wou. — small measures probably quite good for you. i'm— small measures probably quite good for you. i'm not sure any tobeeeo— good for you. i'm not sure any tobeeeo ts— good for you. i'm not sure any tobacco is really— good for you. i'm not sure any tobacco is really very good for you,— tobacco is really very good for your tm— tobacco is really very good for your tm sue— tobacco is really very good for you, i'm sure jacob rees—mogg woutd— you, i'm sure jacob rees—mogg weed-feeb— you, i'm sure jacob rees—mogg would-jacob, what- you, i'm sure jacob rees—mogg would jacob, what are we would agree. jacob, what are we dobe— would agree. jacob, what are we done brs— would agree. jacob, what are we doing this evening? �*fdfac atz; would agree. jacob, what are we doing this evening? �*fdfac 311i; doing this evening? what are we doing— doing this evening? what are we doing evening? well, we're doing this evening? well, we're going with going to be starting with language erg how important language erg and how important it we don't allow the it is that we don't allow the left to take over language left just to take over language and tell us to think. and then tell us what to think. and beacons. part and the brecon beacons. is part of this the sort of sheer madness not calling it a madness of not calling it a beacon? that you beacon? because that makes you think climate change. there's think of climate change. there's climate change fanaticism, which you've climate change fanaticism, which you' problem because once you real problem because once you change language, you allow them to argument. and then to win the argument. and then for we're going to for a bit of fun, we're going to be talking about quiche the be talking about quiche at the end sitwell, the end with william sitwell, the very writer. he'll very good food writer. he'll be good , who, yes, strong views

good, who, yes, has strong views on the advisability of eating quiche. less keen broad on the advisability of eating quichein less keen broad on the advisability of eating quichein quiche keen broad on the advisability of eating quichein quiche . it's broad on the advisability of eating quichein quiche . it's dire.i beans in quiche. it's dire. let's go beans in quiche. it's dire. bet-s do to— beans in quiche. it's dire. let's go to the— " r: rt it's dire. let's go to the weather . " r: rib it's dire. let's go to the weather . it's let's go to the weather. it's etr— let's go to the weather. it's ett too— let's go to the weather. it's all too much _ let's go to the weather. it's all too much evening. i'm alex beetb— all too much evening. i'm alex beetb end— all too much evening. i'm alex deakin and this— all too much evening. i'm alex deakin and this is— all too much evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weeber— deakin and this is your latest weather update— deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met btttee. — weather update from the met one a— weather update from the met office. a fine— weather update from the met office. a fine day- weather update from the met office. ' �*" cpa weather update from the met office. ' �*" rzcr office. a fine day for many tomorrow. sunny spells, a few showers are possible in south—west england and there will again a brisk eastern will again be a brisk eastern wind by this chunky wind generated by this chunky area of high pressure sitting over scandinave here, keeping things mostly dry , but also things mostly dry, but also feeding easterly winds from feeding in easterly winds from the north sea. hence why it's felt pretty chilly in scarborough . well, it's also scarborough. well, it's also been pretty balmy in northwest scotland. that easterly wind continues to bring in some cloud over parts of northern england, wales and a few showers through the night across southernmost counties of england. hit counties of england. very hit and most places stay and miss. most places will stay dry. well, we've got the clearer skies, chilly one skies, a bit of a chilly one across scotland. pockets of frost in rural frost are possible in rural spots , but that easterly breeze spots, but that easterly breeze generally temperatures generally keeping temperatures in and cities between in towns and cities between 3 and 6 degrees. we start tomorrow then with a lot of cloud in southwest england, a few

scattered might even see scattered showers might even see the heavy one here and the odd heavy one here and there. they tend to ease there. but they tend to ease away at times away quite cloudy at times through midlands. through wales and the midlands. the shower is possible, but the odd shower is possible, but most places and bright. some most places dry and bright. some good spells of sunshine for scotland. northern ireland, northern eastern northern england and eastern england again, western half england. again, the western half of 18 to 19 degrees. of scotland 18 to 19 degrees. whereas that east coast will struggle to get much above 11 or 12. quite chilly feel with 12. so quite a chilly feel with that which continues that wind which continues to blow cloud away out west as blow the cloud away out west as we go through wednesday night and into thursday. again a bit of a start on thursday. of a chilly start on thursday. some frost there some hints of frost there through some sheltered glens across scotland. but generally it's another fine day with plenty of spring sunshine on thursday, again , we'll have that thursday, again, we'll have that east west contrast with that easterly wind keeping things fresh on the easternmost coast. maybe some ha around the coast of north—east scotland, but western seeing sunshine western scotland seeing sunshine not as warm here, but not quite as warm here, but still at 16 17, generally 13 still at 16 or 17, generally 13 or 14. notice cloud is approaching the south—east. however, that's from this weather front, which will bring

more cloud as we go towards friday and some outbreaks of rain and also bring a cold feel for much of england and wales.

hello. good evening. it's me, jacob hello. good evening. it's me, reeob bees-nood— hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on- c: " g it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the better— jacob rees—mogg on state of the better tontdbt. — jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. the march broudb— nation tonight. the march brouob ou— nation tonight. the march through our institutions rerststs— through our institutions persists, hastening in speed under— persists, hastening in speed under e— persists, hastening in speed under a new regime. there are no eteobottes— under a new regime. there are no eteobottes or— under a new regime. there are no alcoholics or drug— under a new regime. there are no alcoholics or drug addicts , any alcoholics or drug addicts, any eteobot— alcoholics or drug addicts, any alcohol misusers_ alcoholics or drug addicts, any alcohol misusers and drug users . bsteed— alcohol misusers and drug users . instead, this— alcohol misusers and drug users . instead, this will— alcohol misusers and drug users . instead, this will come as under— . instead, this will come as under be— . instead, this will come as under the nhs_ . instead, this will come as under the nhs inclusivity guide. text— under the nhs inclusivity guide. text wett— under the nhs inclusivity guide. text we-tt be— under the nhs inclusivity guide. next we'll be asking men if tbew-re— next we'll be asking men if they're pregnant before giving brood— they're pregnant before giving btood .— they're pregnant before giving btood . on— they're pregnant before giving blood . oh wait,— they're pregnant before giving blood . oh wait, they've already blood. oh wait, they've already stened— blood. oh wait, they've already stened dobe— blood. oh wait, they've already started doing that. just north of nedrten-s— started doing that. just north of hadrian's wall, the green tenettes— of hadrian's wall, the green tenettes ot— of hadrian's wall, the green fanatics of newspeak are also bombed— fanatics of newspeak are also eombo eter— fanatics of newspeak are also coming after brecon beacons. adore— coming after brecon beacons. more on— coming after brecon beacons. more on bet— coming after brecon beacons. more on that shortly and have the more on that shortly and have tbe rust— more on that shortly and have tbe we stop— more on that shortly and have the just stop oil— more on that shortly and have the just stop oil protesters

snootered— the just stop oil protesters snookered themselves. we'll be